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Wendella
08-08-12, 06:49
A friend of mine is in Phnom Penh now. I told him to go check out Pontoon, but if he's after picking up a freelancer there, what do you think is a good time for him to show up there?

Hollow Man
08-08-12, 09:33
A friend of mine is in Phnom Penh now. I told him to go check out Pontoon, but if he's after picking up a freelancer there, what do you think is a good time for him to show up there?10:30. 12:00. On Fri-Sat theres a cover charge after 11:30 (They might have moved it up to 11 cause last month I went at 11:15pm and they already started charging people) and the girls will go in before the cover charge or hit Heart.

Joe Looking
08-10-12, 20:28
here are a few useful words and phrases in khmer (cambodian) to help you communicate and negotiate with the girls.

some of the phrases won't be completely grammatically correct, and the pronunciation may be a bit off, but the girls will understand you! they will really appreciate your efforts to speak khmer with them, but they might be a bit surprised with some of the requests below!this is great. if i remember correctly, i think choo is pain and sombra is relax.

aussieguy, any chance you could find a nice khmer girl to let you record her saying these phrases slowly and at regular speed? fortunately khmer did not seem tonal, but i still butchered a lot of pronunciations!

Easton
08-12-12, 16:07
I wonder if I might impose on your knowledge CaseyStar.

I'm in PP in October and through circumstances will really only be able to monger during daytime. I have done some research on this site and it looks like Walkabout, Black Cat and Candy are the only options outside some massage places where HE or FJ is hit or miss!

Any advice you can share?Those are really all of the daytime places, but there are plenty of freelancers available on the riverfront. Just talk a stroll along the river and relax. Make eye contact with girls that interest you and say hello. If they are available they will stop and talk. It's all very relaxed and easy. I have taken some real cuties from here for $15 st on past trips.

Jvdairlie
08-13-12, 08:49
Those are really all of the daytime places, but there are plenty of freelancers available on the riverfront. Just talk a stroll along the river and relax. Make eye contact with girls that interest you and say hello. If they are available they will stop and talk. It's all very relaxed and easy. I have taken some real cuties from here for $15 st on past trips.Thank you Easton. Appreciated.

Gone Around
08-16-12, 18:00
I like martini's too. Someone, on this board must be going there. What's up?Before all of the following, I talked with Sangay at the bar and tipping him my beer change, gave me the talk about gals, routine, pricing, hotel etc. So that I had another source of details besides from here at ISG.

Just did a $ 20 ST plus a $ 1. 75 bottle water with spinner gal named Rout or Wrat. Had to make eye contact a couple of times and wave her over after talking nicely with the other girls she was with. Once we started chatting, her English wasn't too bad. She was shy about it.

After a bit of chatting her up, I asked if she was interested in me and that it was her choice to go or not. Eventually, she decided yes, we go. We never agreed on the price beforehand, though I asked and she said "what you think" even with pressing for hard number to negotiate.

We went down the street a little to the Guest House for $ 5 room.

After a quick shower each, we laid down on the bed and chatted a bit before getting into nice GFE french kissing session. After about 20 minutes and rubbing her to juiciness, her attitude changed to boom-boom now while I tried to stay GFE. Not much luck, so went to boom boom and had a nice missionary finish after of cowgirl.

Afterward, we showered and walked down and out of the hotel. While walking down the stairs, she asked about money. I said $ 15, she said no, I said okay, here's $ 20. She complained a little, but held firm. No further issues from her. If the GFE stayed through-out, would've asked for her number, but it didn't so I figured onto another or two tomorrow.

Then, my scooter dude took her back to Martini's and then picked me up for my hotel.

Good luck all and have fun.

Gone Around
08-17-12, 07:15
I'm wondering what your thoughts are for a must see or do in Phnom Penh?

Member #4178
08-17-12, 07:43
I'm wondering what your thoughts are for a must see or do in Phnom Penh?1. Find a girl and take her to a trip in rural Cambodia and leave PP as soon as possible.

2. Prepare plan B: Thailand

DiscoBaby
08-17-12, 10:39
In Street 252, there is a massage parlor that is really on the the brothels that according to the government do not exist anymore in Phnom Penh. It is on the left-hand side of the Midland Hotel, a staircase that leads to a massage place that sits on a new and very noisy Khmer disco full of Cambodian teenagers with outrageous hairdos. They have a fishbowl. I was a frequent customer of girl 27 for almost three years. She is from Vietnam, does not speak a lot of English, but she understands more than you would think. I do not even know her name, but I went there any other week to have sex with her that always blow my brains out. She has become a bit big over the years and her tits would be huge even for a Western woman. She gives great head, and very good massages too, including a very nice dick massage. It might have been a case of personal chemistry, but I really grew fond of her over the years as a unrelenting service provider that always went out of her way to please me. And that in an environment, where she probably has to service half a dozen guys a day. Yes, it is this kind of place, and it is super-sleazy too, but I kept coming back.Hi,

Long time lurker and first time poster! The massage parlor is on the first left on street 63 after Sihanouk Boulevard. I just wanted to recommend #45. Her name is Peap and is around 25 years old. Her face isn't so great but she's got a nice frame and some pretty big tits (if a bit droopy). Best thing about her is that she is also up for practically anything. GFE, BJ, DATY, Anal Rimming and Anal Sex. I got all that for $40. I got her down to $20 for just straight sex but what's the fun in that?

And Purple taoist is correct in saying that this place is super-sleazy but in all honesty, I kinda like it that way.

El Greco
08-17-12, 10:58
I'm wondering what your thoughts are for a must see or do in Phnom Penh?Stay and dine at the river front or near by. Hire a tuk tuk to take you around to explore the city. Stop at one of the massage places that offer full service too and have fun.

In the evening ask your tuk tuk driver to take you bar hoping, choose one (or two) of the hostesses and enjoy your night.

That's about how we sacrifice our time when in PP. LOL

Gone Around
08-17-12, 18:00
Just returned from Sokun's Place. Went in at 10 PM after some beers and BBQ with friends down the road. At that time, only 1-hour massages were available since they close at 11 PM.

I ordered up an oil massage and requested for my lower back to be focused on. Sniffling gal and I went up the stairs and she pointed to the floor bed and said to take off clothes and lay down. I did and she remarked I got naked quick. .

The leg and back massage was good, but felt short. Arms were okay. Only a little nudging of junior. On flipping over, still no towel cover for my bum, so no cover for my crouch.

Anyway, onto the left front-arm, left front-leg with oodles of junior bumping. Actually too much. I do want a massage first. After the right leg and right arm, arms were done too quick, she points to junior and asks about massaging him.

I say please and ask how much. She responds with "whatever you want". New clue for me after Martini's last night, whatever you want means whatever you're dumb enough to pay. I said $5, she writes 1-5 on my chest while oiling up junior. I joke. 1-5 is crazy, first-time tourist price and that $8 is fair. She rubs junior for a moment and counter offers to take off her shirt for $20.

Given she's sniffling and I've already unwittingly felt rolly-pollyness while she massaged my hands right in her crouch, I didn't go for top-less. She thought for a moment, gave junior another tug and said all finished.

So moral of the story, even if you are nice, offer the suggested prices here, girls might still say no.

No worries, she gave me a moment to take care of myself before I pulled on my clothes and headed back to the hotel for another busy day.

In the beginning, the massage would be worth the $ 9 if the front quality and time remained up. At the end, I tipped the $ 1 left of my $ 10 and caught a tuk tuk home, sans HE.

Oh well. I might go back once more for another gal that seemed friendlier.

I'm thinking to try a more formal massage place for the massage first and a HE would be a bonus.

JesseJames
08-18-12, 17:36
Before all of the following, I talked with Sangay at the bar and tipping him my beer change, gave me the talk about gals, routine, pricing, hotel etc. So that I had another source of details besides from here at ISG.

Just did a $ 20 ST plus a $ 1. 75 bottle water with spinner gal named Rout or Wrat. Had to make eye contact a couple of times and wave her over after talking nicely with the other girls she was with. Once we started chatting, her English wasn't too bad. She was shy about it.

After a bit of chatting her up, I asked if she was interested in me and that it was her choice to go or not. Eventually, she decided yes, we go. We never agreed on the price beforehand, though I asked and she said "what you think" even with pressing for hard number to negotiate.

We went down the street a little to the Guest House for $ 5 room.

After a quick shower each, we laid down on the bed and chatted a bit before getting into nice GFE french kissing session. After about 20 minutes and rubbing her to juiciness, her attitude changed to boom-boom now while I tried to stay GFE. Not much luck, so went to boom boom and had a nice missionary finish after of cowgirl.

Afterward, we showered and walked down and out of the hotel. While walking down the stairs, she asked about money. I said $ 15, she said no, I said okay, here's $ 20. She complained a little, but held firm. No further issues from her. If the GFE stayed through-out, would've asked for her number, but it didn't so I figured onto another or two tomorrow.

Then, my scooter dude took her back to Martini's and then picked me up for my hotel.

Good luck all and have fun.Most guys take them back to their hotel. Viet or Cambo, that is the question.

Rick Rock
08-20-12, 20:47
Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks!

El Greco
08-20-12, 22:03
Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks!Change them to USD in Pattaya. Everything is in dollars in Cambodia.

Sammon
08-20-12, 22:28
Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks!Thai Baht is accepted everywhere in Cambodia although you may not get official rate. Everybody likes USD even the moto guy.

Fast Eddie 48
08-20-12, 23:38
Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks!To Rick,

Just bring alot of one dollar USD bill for moto guy also bring some 20 bht bill for short ride but most moto guy want one dollar even for a short one km ride anyway, if you use large bill most vender will give you back riel for change and they are useless if you exit Cambodia.

Fast Eddie 48

Rick Rock
08-21-12, 08:18
I'd lose too much selling back the baht. I'd rather go out like a porn star with an explosive night of fun. I guess I'll just take some USD out at an airport ATM in Phnom Penh?

Gone Around
08-21-12, 08:27
I'd lose too much selling back the baht. I'd rather go out like a porn star with an explosive night of fun. I guess I'll just take some USD out at an airport ATM in Phnom Penh?If money matters, avoid the airport ATM as it costs $6 USD. In town or other local shops, the ATM fee is $ 4 USD.

Gone Around
08-21-12, 08:29
Most guys take them back to their hotel. Viet or Cambo, that is the question.I think Khmer for this gal. I haven't seen her around the past few nights.

Gone Around
08-21-12, 08:52
Normally, by 10 PM, I'm heading to bed. When traveling, normally, I'm a cheapskate. However, with looking forward to Cambodia for 4 months, I saved up a nice chunk of change to seriously enjoy my time here. So far, I'm really doing pretty good. .

Every day I've been in Phnom Penh has meant a nice massage and fun with a girl. Not many places I've been has such a wonderful attraction when outside of the office. However, the day starts too early here and I need to crash in bed by 12:30 or 1 AM.

Anyways, I stuck a little more change into my pocket Sunday night than normal. I'm not sure why, but heck, I was done for the day early and wanted to just have a nice evening. I arrived at Martini's about 6:30 PM. Opps, it's dead and the movie or football doesn't start on till 7:30 PM. So I grabbed a $ 1. 25 ice cream, was $ 1. 50 before bargaining and went for a walk around the surrounding neighborhood.

Folks seemed friendly walking down 95 and along the cross and parallel streets about Martinis. It was a nice to actually see something from foot than tuk tuk or moto or behind the classroom or office windows. So relaxing and walking along was good to go.

When on the way back to Martini Bar, along 310, just before U-turn left on 95, I noticed a massage place. It's run down, but that doesn't me too much and I wouldn't mind a rub down before drinking in a short bit.

On walking in, the tallest and oldest of the 4-5 gals asked what was wanted and I responded with "hour oil massage". She said fine, $ 5. Okay, off to the side room where you strip and pull on the baggy temple pants. For $ 5, this was one of the best massages I'd gotten yet leading me to not worry about happy endings, just relaxing. Also, the massage was kept clean, as in no slapping into junior accidentally. Eventually, I turned over, she finished working on my legs and by then I figured I should wake up a bit and chatted with her. Her name is Sista, like sister. Local gal from nearby province, but done some years in Malaysia and speaks Chinese besides basic English.

As Sista finished up the massage she asked about massaging junior, casual like, not pressure or anything else I've experience locally except for the second Sokum's Place attempt for just a massage with a much calmer girl. Back to Sista, I said yes and she helped me to a very nice happy ending and then cleaned things up.

When done, I dressed, kept chatting with Sista and paid the bill. $ 5.

Yup, $ 5.

Given that, I turned and tipped Sista $ 5 because the massage was good, I was relaxed, she was easy to chat with and heck, she made me happy.

FYI. Shop owner is Chinese.

Find the place, near the northwest corner of 310 & 95. About 25 meters down and across the street from Ly Lang Guesthouse.

Gone Around
08-21-12, 09:31
After the wonderful massage with Sista, I finally made my way back to Martini Bar.

$ 90 left.

Into Martini I went, to the bar and got my Beer Lao. Sangay is off Sunday's, so I didn't stick on the bar long to chat, but instead went into the lower area of tables and chairs. Several gals were together and invited me to sit in between. Given, I was in a good mood and they were smiling and chatting happily already, I joined them.

Sorry folks, I don't recall any names but the one gal that's elusive to me, Narli, or what seems to be "where" in Chinese. The group 5 gals. 4 were calm and casual with their talk, but number 5 to my right was too aggressive for my tastes and didn't feel right. So I played nice by sharing the conversation around and then because I'm enjoying my time with them, bought a round of drinks.

A nice thing about here, the girls are reasonable; two orange drinks, two sweet teas and a soy milk. Even better is that the tea and soy milks reminded me of home. So close, yet not to go back for a few more months. More chatting followed, but I was getting hungry and mentioned it. During the conversation, it turns out that the Chinese food stand owner is Taiwanese.

I went over and asked for the boss and talked a bit in Chinese on food recommendations and ended up with a pair of decently steamed fish with ginger, salt and pepper to share with the gals. By the time the fish came around, aggressive girl 5 had left. Then the remaining 4 and I worked on the fish and continuing our conversations.

At this point, it's another $ 20 spent, so $ 70 left.

Now that I've had my 2 beers, eaten a second dinner, had nice conversation and the movie wasn't keep my interest it was time for dessert. During a bit of joking about age and youth. 3 on 1 was mentioned. Personally, I'm thinking about my age and health and having to get up early to work after having to satisfy 3 gals. Being dumber than usual or wanting to try something new, I said sure.

Walking out of Martini with 3 lovely ladies and passing folks on the way to the hotel was a serious blast. We kept chatting and just enjoying the conversation.

We headed to the Ly Lang Guesthouse hoping it'd be nicer than the rooms at Shining. It was, with being cleaner having hot water, AC and real cable TV. Room is $ 12, but can get for $ 10 if you bargain, all night.

Once up to the room, we rotated through the showers and crawling underneath the covers. At this point, in joining the ladies, I realized that while threesomes are readily manageable, if you ever try to appease 3 ladies at the same time, gymnastics is involved. So, while initially fun and definitely a wow experience, I'll stick with only a couple of gals at most in the future. For this, one girl on each side of me, third massaging my feet and legs.

I take my time with girls and generally that gives good results all around. If a gal wants something faster, I pass along a thanks and let them leave without being upset.

It turns out, my third gal didn't care too much for slowness unless I was down on her. So, after a bit of chatting despite being offered to wham and bam, I opted out and sent her on with $ 10.

Now, girl 2, ah Narli, if there's ever an example in my current life of can't quite get what you want, this is it. I was fine with taking two gals, just to have the time with Narli. However, since girl 3 was nice at the bar, I didn't mind bringing her out as well. Again, I've gotten a story and lessons out of it.

Narli, Narli. Just hits my buttons for being cute and cuddly and bringing all of desire to not be slow, but devouring. Ah, she could kiss and breasts were firm and body tight and oh so 22 years young and a lightly parsed pussy. Ah.

Narli, the girl I could've had if I pushed for it, actually just took, but that's not my thing. Consensus means much to me and so, soon Narli leaves. I pass on $ 10 to her and walk her out.

Thump, thump, my heart goes, even when I see her later in the week.

At this point, I'm down to $ 40.

With just girl 1, Serena, left, we took out time in making out before proceeding onto business. As I needed to get to bed for real, we tuk'd back to my villa. Since she was enjoyable to be with, while $ 15 was acceptable, I gave her $ 20 plus change for tuk tuk home. Yeah, yeah, she probably pocketed it.

Since she ended up being nicer than I expected and really sweet about everything, I invited her out for the rest of the week. She never showed, but alas, no worries. When next I saw her, we were both friendly to each other. I'd buy her a drink.

In hindsight, I think she's a good manager for helping the other girls get something out of their evening. To me, that's fair.

So, figuring my original moto ride, my evening cost right around $ 90.

Given the gals original rate, I could've had the three at least once each for $ 45. Even then with all of my extras and the massage beforehand, a really fun night for $ 100 or less.

Martini Bar.

Open 7pm to 3am.

#45, Street 95

Gone Around
08-21-12, 09:37
I visited Sokun's Place again this weekend, but took another gal. She seemed younger, quieter and healthier as in no sniffles. The massage was good and since I wasn't really in the mood for ultimate happiness, said no on the happy massage.

Overall, the second visit was good. If you're in the area, this is a fine place for a massage and HE if you want.

However, I really preferred being with Sista at the massage place near Martini that I mention in my "$100 night, part 1" post. That massage was more legitimate and relaxing without feeling strung up on a sex drive for an hour.

IFRpilot99
08-21-12, 11:47
I'd lose too much selling back the baht. I'd rather go out like a porn star with an explosive night of fun. I guess I'll just take some USD out at an airport ATM in Phnom Penh?Your going to need $ to pay for your Cambodian visa unless your carrying a passport from an ASEAN member country. And extra cash if you don't bring a photo of yourself. I paid the to photo "fee"in baht last time I forgot a photo but don't remember how much it was.

Guitar7997
08-21-12, 14:49
Hi guys, I will be staying over phnom penh for 2 nights in Oct for work and its my maiden visit. I tried reading back but I can't find my answer, so would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me with some mongering knowledge. I like to check if there are any hostess bar with a good population of Vietnamese talent for LT take out? I understand there are KTVs with Viet chicks but I not really a fan of KTVs due to the price and discos due to the loud music. I prefer bars because the music is usually not deafening and you can speak and hear better. Because I have only 2 nights, I can only zoom in a few places. I hope my next trip be longer so I can explore this new playground because the 3somes idea is on my strike off list. Would appreciate any help.

Cheers!

Fast Eddie 48
08-21-12, 21:46
Your going to need $ to pay for your Cambodian visa unless your carrying a passport from an ASEAN member country. And extra cash if you don't bring a photo of yourself. I paid the to photo "fee"in baht last time I forgot a photo but don't remember how much it was.To IFRPilot

Don't forget the Airport Dep tax about 28 USD as I remember can be paid in USD, baht or Riel alway carry ectra photo with me whem I travel.

Fast Eddie 48

Tiger 888
08-22-12, 00:32
Your going to need $ to pay for your Cambodian visa unless your carrying a passport from an ASEAN member country. And extra cash if you don't bring a photo of yourself. I paid the to photo "fee"in baht last time I forgot a photo but don't remember how much it was.I'd go for the e-visa. you can upload the photo. Also saves a page in the passport.

Shadow6491
08-22-12, 01:30
Hi guys, I will be staying over phnom penh for 2 nights in Oct for work and its my maiden visit. I tried reading back but I can't find my answer, so would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me with some mongering knowledge. I like to check if there are any hostess bar with a good population of Vietnamese talent for LT take out? I understand there are KTVs with Viet chicks but I not really a fan of KTVs due to the price and discos due to the loud music. I prefer bars because the music is usually not deafening and you can speak and hear better. Because I have only 2 nights, I can only zoom in a few places. I hope my next trip be longer so I can explore this new playground because the 3somes idea is on my strike off list. Would appreciate any help.

Cheers!Golden Vine on street 108 the owner is a very nice Viet lady and employs a few viets as well as a good selection of Khmer girls you can easily get a 3 some going here to. I have on a few occasions

AussieGuy100
08-22-12, 02:46
Hi guys, I will be staying over phnom penh for 2 nights in Oct for work and its my maiden visit. I tried reading back but I can't find my answer, so would appreciate if anyone could enlighten me with some mongering knowledge. I like to check if there are any hostess bar with a good population of Vietnamese talent for LT take out? I understand there are KTVs with Viet chicks but I not really a fan of KTVs due to the price and discos due to the loud music.

Cheers!The Golden Vine bar on Street 108 next to Le Marmite restaurant, just west of Norodom street.

This has about 22 mainly Vietnamese girls, of which about 18 will go with customers. They are very friendly and the Vietnamese lady boss is also very friendly.

Zapata bar next to it is also good for great girls, but they are all Khmers not Vietnamese.

LukeSkywalker
08-22-12, 03:40
I heard there are still many young Viet girl at Martini. I have no idea how to get there, but any self-respecting moto or taxi driver should know.

I got some of the youngest, best-looking Viet girls in PP from Martini bar. The mamasan did a job job recruiting the best and grooming them well.

Martini's mamasan is a sexy, charming and fun Viet MILF, with her smiley face and ready laughs. She was a working girl herself. She was talking about slow business, that she takes only $1 from the girl each time she makes a match. She was laughing that she's so poor, she would fuck me on the premises for $1. What a fun and sexy girl. If I had time I would have given her the fucks of her life.

It was fun watching her take the timid young girls to the old French guys drinking under the trees in the yard, urging them to take the girls to hotels. People in PP are just so slow and shy. They are still acting like little girls in convent schools in French colonies. No surprises French Legion Etrangeres got their balls kicked in by Ho Chi Minh and his boys.

Those old French guys hanging out in Martini must have been the very few Legion Etrangere survivors of WWII. It's funny seeing these old guys hanging out drinking and moving around real slow at *****houses.

My time at Martini bar was a slow, quiet and fading experience, just like in old time French Indochina. I could imagine myself hanging out in that veranda billowing with sweet scents of plumeria blooms, downing a few rounds of cognacs and pumping a few rounds of opium with Catherine DeNeuves.


Golden Vine on street 108 the owner is a very nice Viet lady and employs a few viets as well as a good selection of Khmer girls you can easily get a 3 some going here to. I have on a few occasions

Hollow Man
08-22-12, 08:05
The mamasan did a job job recruiting the best and grooming them well.

Martini's mamasan is a sexy, charming and fun Viet MILF, with her smiley face and ready laughs. She was a working girl herself. She was talking about slow business, that she takes only $1 from the girl each time she makes a match. She was laughing that she's so poor, she would fuck me on the premises for $1. What a fun and sexy girl. If I had time I would have given her the fucks of her life.

It was fun watching her take the timid young girls to the old French guys drinking under the trees in the yard, urging them to take the girls to hotels. People in PP are just so slow and shy. They are still acting like little girls in convent schools in French colonies. No surprises French Legion Etrangeres got their balls kicked in by Ho Chi Minh and his boys.Times have changed. No more mamasans at Martinis. I met alot of mamasans and the action / market has shifted as more money is to be made at the KTV's and Naga with the new crop of rich asians investing here. Also the mamasans have shifted to attractive ones now.

Guitar7997
08-22-12, 10:04
Thanks to Vielendank, Shadow6491, AussieGuy100 and LukeSkywalker for the heads up. If I got a longer trip the next time, maybe we can meet for a beer? I think for my first night, I'm going to Rose Bar, Golden Vine Bar and Zapata. For the second night, I'll hit Martini and if the turnout is out of expectation, I can go back to the suggested 3. Anyways, what would be a good time to be there for the best available selection for Rose Bar, Golden Vine Bar and Zapata as I understand that Martinis is a FL joint?

Rick Rock
08-22-12, 11:36
To IFRPilot

Don't forget the Airport Dep tax about 28 USD as I remember can be paid in USD, baht or Riel alway carry ectra photo with me whem I travel.

Fast Eddie 48I'm told that's been included in the price of your plane ticket since 2011.

Anyway, I'm here now using USD as recommended.

Fast Eddie 48
08-22-12, 21:53
I'm told that's been included in the price of your plane ticket since 2011.

Anyway, I'm here now using USD as recommended.To rick

I think you are right is now included in the airline ticket it been a few yr since I been back to Cambodia.

Fast Eddie 48

Pak Mike
08-22-12, 22:14
The Golden Vine bar on Street 108 next to Le Marmite restaurant, just west of Norodom street.

This has about 22 mainly Vietnamese girls, of which about 18 will go with customers. They are very friendly and the Vietnamese lady boss is also very friendly.

Zapata bar next to it is also good for great girls, but they are all Khmers not Vietnamese.Can also vouch for the Golden Vine. Have been visiting this place every time I have been in PP over the past 5 years, and probably my favourite. Only downside is that a lot of the gals don't speak English, but really not such a big problem.

Waste Mgmt
08-22-12, 23:10
Thinking of making my first trip to Cambodia. What I want to know is whether or not it'll be easy changing Thai Baht into the local currency. I don't want to do an ATM withdraw in Cambodia, and all I have on me now here in Pattaya is Baht. Already got stuck with a shitload of Philippine pesos that no one will exchange here, don't want to get fucked again. Thanks!You will get a better exchange rate in PP than in Thailand for your baht. On street 136 near the Central Market (just before all the pharmacies) there are money changers. Try a couple of them to compare, the spread is actually quite good.

AussieGuy100
08-22-12, 23:17
. Anyways, what would be a good time to be there for the best available selection for Rose Bar, Golden Vine Bar and Zapata as I understand that Martinis is a FL joint?As with most hostess bars, the best time to go for the biggest selection of girls and when they are most wide-awake, is from about 7. 30pm. But if you want a more fun atmosphere, still with loads of girls, go to the bars from 10. 30pm onwards.

Rose bar has 25+ girls, Golden Vine and Zapata about 22 each, so I'm sure you'll find someone that you want to take back to your hotel! Expect to pay $30-40 for all night from these bars, plus the $7-10 barfine.

Rick Rock
08-23-12, 05:04
WTF with the prices here? I thought Cambodia was supposed to be a budget location. First time in the city last night, tried 5 bars. 1 on 51, 4 on River Front. Continually quoted $50 for LT, even when I inquired late into the night, and all said they'd leave 7-10 am.

$50 is about 1500 baht. I can literally get hundreds and hundreds of girls from beer bars in Pattaya for 1000-1300 baht including barfine. Clearly Pattaya is a more expensive place than Phnom Penh in a general sense. And most of the girls I saw here were devoid of customers. So what exactly is going on?

Hatguy
08-23-12, 07:34
WTF with the prices here? I thought Cambodia was supposed to be a budget location. First time in the city last night, tried 5 bars. 1 on 51, 4 on River Front. Continually quoted $50 for LT, even when I inquired late into the night, and all said they'd leave 7-10 am.

$50 is about 1500 baht. I can literally get hundreds and hundreds of girls from beer bars in Pattaya for 1000-1300 baht including barfine. Clearly Pattaya is a more expensive place than Phnom Penh in a general sense. And most of the girls I saw here were devoid of customers. So what exactly is going on?Yes things are changing there. You are better off staying away from that Rose bar in particular. I don't think I will ever go there again even though there are some really busty hot girls there. Reason? $50 USD for basically one hour and refusal to do LT. REALLY bad attitudes which I was MORE than happy to find out there before I paid any money for the "privilege." With so many bars in that area I think they will eventually go under.

In Jan I posted about bad attitudes at a club there called Pontoon. This was the management and workers there. Not the girls. When I get back there this year some time I will be spending my time between the good and fun bars I visited before and HOD / Walkabout for FLs. No way Ill be wasting my money at the rip off places. Hatguy

Rick Rock
08-23-12, 07:39
Don't get me wrong, I had fun with the girls. But $50 LT is fucking ridiculous in Cambodia, where according to all sources I come across, average income is $30 A MONTH.

Is this REALLY the standard asking rate here?

Is there no LT to be had for $30 or less anymore (from girls actually worth fucking of course)? I guess the stories I heard were from a part time.

Hatguy
08-23-12, 08:03
Don't get me wrong, I had fun with the girls. But $50 LT is fucking ridiculous in Cambodia, where according to all sources I come across, average income is $30 A MONTH.

Is this REALLY the standard asking rate here?

Is there no LT to be had for $30 or less anymore (from girls actually worth fucking of course)? I guess the stories I heard were from a part time.You can get them for $30 LT. I had one in particular which I REALLY liked from Pitstop bar. She is now out of the game. But you have to stay away from the big and famous places. Ie. The ones on THIS VERY BOARD! Haha!

Mind you it also will depend on whether the girl likes you. I had one girl (albeit in a different country) come up to me while I was sitting at the bar and tell me she REALLY liked me. This turned out to be true. The GFE was great and since she was HOT I really got off on it. The same thing can be said for the above one from Pitstop. She really liked me as well. Did not want to leave and snuggled up to me in bed really nice GFE!

Rick Rock
08-23-12, 08:21
I stopped in a bar on 51st yesterday, might have even been at Pit Stop. Don't remember the name. Two different girls said 50 LT. Same thing at the various random bars I stopped around 104 and the River. As far as I know, none of them were famous. I was the only punter in every single bar I stopped in except one, started around 7 and ended around 3 am.

I just find it weird that I get a lot lower quotes from girls of the same quality or better in a hardcore (and more expensive) mongering location like Pattaya than here.

Tiger 888
08-23-12, 10:16
You will get a better exchange rate in PP than in Thailand for your baht. On street 136 near the Central Market (just before all the pharmacies) there are money changers. Try a couple of them to compare, the spread is actually quite good.I doubt that. The spread for THB / USD at Superrich in Bangkok is sometimes just 2 Satang. Right no Buying 31. 35, selling 31. 37. (sorry, the spaces in my numbers are automated and unavoidable).

http://www.superrichthailand.com/editor/rate.html

Rick Rock
08-23-12, 16:52
Same shit tonight. Girls on 104 giving lot of attention, groping, kissing, etc in bar, but when ask about going out they want $10 barfine + $30 barfine for "two hour or until you cum". Talked them down to 25 and 20, but still too fucking much. 20+10+short time room you're talking 1100 baht, and an average month income here. Same as I'm paying in Pattaya and Angeles City and this place is twice as poor. The prices just don't make sense, especially since once again I was the only punter in all 4 bars I visited. I chose no one. Fuck this place. I got mislead on the value here. I'm going to Bangkok tomorrow, getting out of here earlier than planned.

Loso69
08-23-12, 23:52
I was the only punter in all 4 bars I visited.That should be a clue ;) Why do you keep going back to those bloody hostess bars? PP isn't Patty or BKK. There's no need to buy LDs or pay BFs. The freelancer scene is where the value is. Go to the mall, the Heart or Pontoon!

Loso

AussieGuy100
08-24-12, 00:57
Same shit tonight. Girls on 104 giving lot of attention, groping, kissing, etc in bar, but when ask about going out they want $10 barfine + $30 barfine for "two hour or until you cum". Talked them down to 25 and 20, but still too fucking much. 20+10+short time room you're talking 1100 baht, and an average month income here. Same as I'm paying in Pattaya and Angeles City and this place is twice as poor. The prices just don't make sense, especially since once again I was the only punter in all 4 bars I visited. I chose no one. Fuck this place. I got mislead on the value here. I'm going to Bangkok tomorrow, getting out of here earlier than planned.Sounds like a good idea. Obviously you and Phnom Penh don't get on very well!

After reading your posts, I went to about six different bars, on Streets 104 and 118, to reassure myself that what you are saying isn't strictly true.

My approach is to take a bit of time with the girls in each bar. PP is not like Pattaya, girls here sometimes don't like the "hello, how much for LT" approach. Sometimes you need to slow down a bit and talk to them. After half an hour of them chatting to you and getting to know you a bit, they will ask a much lower price.

On my visits I was quoted $30-$40 for long time (from good-looking girls, not slappers). Plus the $7-10 barfine. One girl did ask for $50 but came back down to $35 when she realised I wasn't going to fall for her high first offer.

I do know that quite often Americans are quoted higher prices here.

There are also plenty of hot freelancers around Sorya Mall on St 51, and at Pontoon after 11pm, who will happily go with you all night for $20. Martinis is also occasionally a good hunting ground for cheap but decent FL's but it is a bit hit-and-miss on quality. It sometimes takes a couple of visits to score a real gem.

Guitar7997
08-24-12, 02:06
As with most hostess bars, the best time to go for the biggest selection of girls and when they are most wide-awake, is from about 7. 30pm. But if you want a more fun atmosphere, still with loads of girls, go to the bars from 10. 30pm onwards.

Rose bar has 25+ girls, Golden Vine and Zapata about 22 each, so I'm sure you'll find someone that you want to take back to your hotel! Expect to pay $30-40 for all night from these bars, plus the $7-10 barfine.AussieGuy100, thanks again for another dose of generous information. With other board members assuring Golden Vine, I think that is the first place I ought to visit. With so many bars in PP, I just wish my trip could be longer.

DiscoBaby
08-24-12, 07:27
Sounds like a good idea. Obviously you and Phnom Penh don't get on very well!

After reading your posts, I went to about six different bars, on Streets 104 and 118, to reassure myself that what you are saying isn't strictly true.

My approach is to take a bit of time with the girls in each bar. PP is not like Pattaya, girls here sometimes don't like the "hello, how much for LT" approach. Sometimes you need to slow down a bit and talk to them. After half an hour of them chatting to you and getting to know you a bit, they will ask a much lower price.

On my visits I was quoted $30-$40 for long time (from good-looking girls, not slappers). Plus the $7-10 barfine. One girl did ask for $50 but came back down to $35 when she realised I wasn't going to fall for her high first offer.Very true. I think the girls just try it on right away if they think you are a bit new to the scene. One thing I tend to do when I get an over-inflated price, I walk away from the girl to another place in the bar and check out the others around. 9 out of 10 times, they come back with a better price.

Rick Rock
08-24-12, 08:12
Actually, I never brought up the prospect of leaving with them as I was usually still enjoying my first drink. Each and every time (except when I stopped on the bar on 51) they brought it up to me. So it wasn't a question of me just rolling in and treating it like a brothel. The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.

Cambodia 159th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $30. Average ST $33 USD.

Thailand 94th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $683. Average ST $30 USD.

Philippines 133rd in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $142. Average ST $17 USD.

Hong Kong 28th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $1353. Average ST $33 USD.

Does that seem right to you?

This place seems to be totally skewed on prices, probably largely because of the dollarized economy. I pay more for coffee and ST here than I do in Philippines or Thailand. From what people have told me, rent here for a Western style apartment is double what it costs for a new condo unit in the Philippines. Heading to the airport now to check out Bangkok. Want to get some enjoyment on my holiday. Enjoy your overpriced ST's and lack of sidewalks my friend.

All in good fun of course. The value just isn't there for me. I'll chalk it up to experience. Thanks for the help from those who offered.

Waste Mgmt
08-24-12, 20:17
Actually, I never brought up the prospect of leaving with them as I was usually still enjoying my first drink. Each and every time (except when I stopped on the bar on 51) they brought it up to me. So it wasn't a question of me just rolling in and treating it like a brothel. The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.

Cambodia 159th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $30. Average ST $33 USD.

Thailand 94th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $683. Average ST $30 USD.

Philippines 133rd in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $142. Average ST $17 USD.

Hong Kong 28th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $1353. Average ST $33 USD.

Does that seem right to you?

This place seems to be totally skewed on prices, probably largely because of the dollarized economy. I pay more for coffee and ST here than I do in Philippines or Thailand. From what people have told me, rent here for a Western style apartment is double what it costs for a new condo unit in the Philippines. Heading to the airport now to check out Bangkok. Want to get some enjoyment on my holiday. Enjoy your overpriced ST's and lack of sidewalks my friend.

All in good fun of course. The value just isn't there for me. I'll chalk it up to experience. Thanks for the help from those who offered.I don't know where you got the $30 per month average income figure. More like $70 on the low end in PP. A maid in an ok hotel is making close to $100 with her tips, to put it in perspective.

I will agree that the quoted rates for 1 time customers is high. A fair share of PP bar girls are selective as to who they go with, just because of the pricing. They don't have to fuck every night. The other poster was right- it's different than Thailand or many other places where the girls would prefer you make up your mind quick, take them short term so they can get back to the bar and get another. A lot of girls in PP want or need to be somewhat comfortable with you before they go. Honestly, the only place I ever even talk price was Martini. Might be a good idea with the more hardened lot in HoD too. Besides that,"up to you" is the standard reply I used to get anyway, so I quit asking. I prefer the girls who don't talk money up front. My experience is that the more obsessed with the money aspect up front, the worse the performance, GFE, and the more likely a bullshit reason to leave early after the first pop. I've never had a girl upset with $30 in the morning.

RCA Knight
08-25-12, 06:01
Rick Rock, your average ST for Thailand, Phil, HK, are on the very very low end. I don't think it is the real overall average. For 30 USD or 900 bahts, I think in Capital Bangkok, you can only get older unattractive stand alone street workers, or Pattaya soi 6 or Beach walkers. In Manila as well. 17 USD can only get you the very bottom of the barrel in freelancer scene. For a decent girl in MBC, the average is more like 2000 pesos up or 50 USD. 33 USD in HK, the most likely choice is only the sex 141 type apartment older massage ladies with 30 min session. But the 33 USD average ST in Phnom Penh, you are talking about girls from karaoke pick bars, the freelancer are cheaper than that.

So we are comparing all these capitals, upcountry are a different story in these nations, My average in my experiences for a "doable girl" will be this (exclude bar fines if have any)

Phnom Penh 30-40USD.

Bangkok 1500-2000 bahts.

Manila 2000-3000 pesos.

HK 700-1000HKD

Wendella
08-25-12, 07:03
The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.Maybe a reason the prices don't match per capita GDP is because those aren't the factors that drive the market prices. I tend to think the prices are what they are because that's what the girls are able to charge and succeed at getting. Free market in other words. GDP not really relevant. The prices are set by the market that, and the market doesn't include the salaries of office workers, farmers, oil revenues, etc. But just the girls who are willing to sell and the guys who are willing to buy. The scene in PP is tiny compared to BKK and Pattaya. It's also developed a lot in the last 10 years to include a lot more higher end venues, and over that time places like Martini and Sharky have been displaced by a variety of places generally at higher prices.

To me, it seems like the general rule is that the more supply there is in a place, the lower prices will be. Lots of poor countries don't have much of a scene, and what they do have is not cheap.

Your overall impression that it's not worth a visit compared to Pattaya does seem right though. The place doesn't merit a visit if one is mainly after that one thing. If you happen to be in town, then it's acceptable. But definitely the situation is better in Thailand.

Rick Rock
08-25-12, 07:33
I'm talking about main mongering destinations, like Angeles City (ST 700 pesos on Raymond Street 24 hours a day for example. 1500-2000 pesos is for a LT in a bar including barfine, girl stays with you often approaching 24 hours). Manila has available girls as does almost any city, but it's not the main spot for foreigners to monger in the Philippines. AC is.

BKK isn't the main mongering spot in Thailand. Quite a lot of mongering there, but clearly Pattaya draws in a lot more punters. On Soi 6 (which even as one street has more bars than all of Phnom Penh combined) in Pattaya it's 1000 baht or less for ST on the spot. On Soi 7 and 8, it's easy to get LT for 1000. On Beach Road, freelancers go for even less. 500 baht short time all day. BKK also isn't comparable to Phnom Penh, because it has things like traffic lights, stop signs and even a train. Phnom Penh is more like an African city than anything approaching Bangkok.

HK you can get $33 ST all day and all night in walk ups which you can find on 141 etc. Thai girls, PRC girls. Many, especially Thai girls, none older than 25. Quite easy and quite possible. I know a place around North Point where there are 5 Thai girls working at all times, all under 25, $30 ST.

Phnom Penh, you go to Cyrcee, they want 15-20 + drink + barfine + ST room. You end up spending 30-40 for a blow and go, pump and dump. Take a short trip next door to Thailand, set up in Pattaya, pull LT from Beer Bars any day you want for 1000-1300 baht. Average income in Thailand is more than 200% what it is in Phnom Penh, so you explain to me how that works.

I think overpaid NGO losers and UN abusers have simply blown the prices completely out of proportion. Combine that with the dollar and you have a recipe for ST equaling an average month income.

Rick Rock
08-25-12, 07:45
To me, it seems like the general rule is that the more supply there is in a place, the lower prices will be.Supply and demand is secondary. The American School of Economics, which has done such a good job the world over (see: 2008) , likes to pretend that's it's primary, but it's not.

The first thing that matters is reproduction. A person simply cannot sell their time / labor for a rate that won't allow them to eat, sleep, etc. (reproduce themselves and their availability). If you can't eat, you certainly can't work in a factory or a bar or anywhere else. After that supply and demand has a regulating effect.

So when talking about prices, you first have to consider how much the girl needs to house herself, feed herself, get around, get her clothes and nails painted, etc. While a Korean girl in a massage joint in NYC may need thousands per month for this kind of upkeep, a Khmer girl in Phnom Penh can do it for next to nothing. And that matters.

Now, you do have the "Big Willies," 5 day millionaires, the "elites", and those nicking UN / NGO / Charity funds for themselves for whom the money flows like water. Good for them. Of course the girls will go for what they can get. I would too. Glad some of that filters to ladies who need it to. But for the general monger, it's bullshit. Especially when you hear all the stories about the great value of Cambodia, including on this board, even recently. The reality simply doesn't much up.

A girl ten times poorer than a girl in the country next door wants the same rate for doing less. Something is really wrong with that picture.

New York has the biggest concentration of wealth in the world, plenty of full time big spenders, and yet there are hundreds of 7-9 Korean girls in their early 20's available at massage parlors 24/7 for $200 a pop. Average rent in Manhattan is over $3000 a month. What is it in Phnom Penh? So when they ask $50 for ST in Phnom Penh, it's really just insane.

And speaking of supply and demand, like I said, I was the ONLY guy in 90% of the bars I stopped in, early evening, midnight, early morning, didn't matter, and didn't seem to effect prices a lick.

With Thailand and Vietnam being right next door, the place just doesn't make sense for mongering.

Wendella
08-25-12, 08:14
Supply and demand is secondary. The American School of Economics, which has done such a good job the world over (see: 2008) , likes to pretend that's it's primary, but it's not.

So when talking about prices, you first have to consider how much the girl needs to house herself, feed herself, get around, get her clothes and nails painted, etc.So then we should ignore the prices that she offers, or is willing to be bargained down to, instead inquire about how much she pays in rent or to do her nails, and take the negotiating from there? That's different, I'll give you that.

Actually I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here, but there are places with prices closer to your expectations, they're the ones that locals go to (and that mainly only locals can stomach). You're going to places geared toward foreigners. Different customers, different prices in each of those 2 scenes. I assume you don't find that strange.

It seems pretty simple even using your own examples: the girls aren't willing to go lower, and obviously they're still earning enough to make showing up every night worthwhile, so there's no reason for them to lower their price. In this case at least, it seems like it's your primary factors that don't matter too much.

You're totally right though that PP is not a serious monger destination. It does make some sense for mongering if someone happens to be passing through, it's something to do while there, or if you are living in Vietnam and don't have the time/money to go all the way to Thailand. For people like that, it's just something different, and actually a little cheaper than similar venues in VN. If you have some money to spend, and time to go there, then Thailand is vastly better.

Scorchin1470
08-25-12, 10:52
So then we should ignore the prices that she offers, or is willing to be bargained down to, instead inquire about how much she pays in rent or to do her nails, and take the negotiating from there? That's different, I'll give you that.

Actually I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here, but there are places with prices closer to your expectations, they're the ones that locals go to (and that mainly only locals can stomach). You're going to places geared toward foreigners. Different customers, different prices in each of those 2 scenes. I assume you don't find that strange.

It seems pretty simple even using your own examples: the girls aren't willing to go lower, and obviously they're still earning enough to make showing up every night worthwhile, so there's no reason for them to lower their price. In this case at least, it seems like it's your primary factors that don't matter too much.

You're totally right though that PP is not a serious monger destination. It does make some sense for mongering if someone happens to be passing through, it's something to do while there, or if you are living in Vietnam and don't have the time / money to go all the way to Thailand. For people like that, it's just something different, and actually a little cheaper than similar venues in VN. If you have some money to spend, and time to go there, then Thailand is vastly better.The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of 800+ for an overnight in the UK.

Rick Rock
08-25-12, 16:37
The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of 800+ for an overnight in the UK.Good thing I don't live in the UK. And neither do the girls in Phnom Penh. They pay $80 a month rent, split with three friends, and maybe $35 a month on food and other expenses. They fuck one idiot and make their entire income for the month. Filipinas and Thais fuck way more to make their monthly income, probably even escorts in New York do.

Phnom Penh, the only place in the world a chubby girl with bad teeth can fuck a guy once, without even doing a BJ mind you, and have money to last a month.

Samu Ray
08-25-12, 17:12
Why would I go to a place to insult their woman? Hell! If the place and it's people is below your taste, don't go there!

Rick Rock
08-25-12, 17:15
That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.

Sammon
08-25-12, 17:36
The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of 800+ for an overnight in the UK.All prostitutes irrespect of which country they live and work make way more money than most other people working a hard day.

But remeber prostitutes have a short span to make money. Older she gets demand and price goes down. If they have not made money and settled by the time they are 28 they are introuble. Unfortunately they learn too late and end up in squalid neighbourhoods eching out a living and remembering about how she lived when she was young. Couple of AC girls I know very well comes to mind. They were very beautiffull with nice bodies and turned down many customers.

Price in this business dictates on the beauty of the girl alone. Performance only counts if the guy wants repeat the same girl.

Ofcourse unless the guy is wealthy, workers who earn in dollars, pounds, euros can afford to pay more to the girl. They always compare at home prices for hookers. Will this spoil the market? Sure it will but it is all demand supply. All men have overpaid at times if they see a girl they really want. Once I paid $800 for a day and half to a beautifull Russian girl who was very good in bed in Atlantic city. Only problem was she was snorting cocaine.

In our monger business if we see a girl we like we tend to pay more to get her irrespective of market price.

AussieGuy100
08-25-12, 18:23
That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.
I'm puzzled why you are 'surprised' by the prices here. The Phnom Penh thread has a lot of information on ST and LT prices. The consensus is that ST ranges from $10-30 and LT from $20-40 here. Presumably you read some of this. You also say you were helped by some of the posters with information. So why all the grouching?

Yes there are many other countries with cheaper prices. If cost is of a primary concern to you, then go to those countries.

The overall average monthly income here including the millions of impoverished rural workers may well be $30, but the girls have to spend a lot more than that to work in the bars. Yes their rent is generally $20-40 a month, but food is about $40-60, moto trips to and from work are about $40-60 a month, clothes, make-up and incidental expenses maybe another $20-40 a month. So their monthly expenses are realistically about $120-180.

These figures are from talking to a lot of girls here.

So it takes them about six ST's a month to cover their costs, or quite a few lady drinks.

Anyway, have fun in Nicaragua or Pattaya. Cheaper girls, but for me personally, not with the charm of some of the Khmer girls here. When I'm fucking a gorgeous, slim, soft-skinned, tight pussied twenty-year old Khmer girl, I really don't care that it may be costing me $5-10 more a night than somewhere else.

JesseJames
08-25-12, 18:37
I'm puzzled why you are 'surprised' by the prices here. The Phnom Penh thread has a lot of information on ST and LT prices. The consensus is that ST ranges from $10-30 and LT from $15-40 here. Presumably you read some of this. You also say you were helped by some of the posters with information. So why all the grouching?

Yes there are many other countries with cheaper prices. If cost is of a primary concern to you, then go to those countries.

The overall average monthly income here including the millions of impoverished rural workers may well be $30, but the girls have to spend a lot more than that to work in the bars. Yes their rent is generally $20-40 a month, but food is about $40-60, moto trips to and from work are about $40-60 a month, clothes, make-up and incidental expenses maybe another $20-40 a month. So their monthly expenses are realistically about $120-180.

These figures are from talking to a lot of girls here.

So it takes them about six ST's a month to cover their costs, or quite a few lady drinks.

Anyway, have fun in Nicaragua or Pattaya. Cheaper girls, but for me personally, not with the charm of some of the Khmer girls here.These guys will spend $60 to fill their gas tanks to drive around and look at the shopping malls where they come from. They'd have to pay at least $100 for a HJ, where they live. They pay $1000s on airfare and hotels and cry about $30. Give me a break. Be thankful for what you can get for such small money.

Member #4698
08-25-12, 19:48
Phnom Penh is not for everybody, prices were much lower 5 years ago, and I guess many more girls were GFE back then, but I still like the place. It is not Bangkok and that is a good thing. I travel in Asia for 5 or 6 weeks at a time. I always spend a couple weeks in BKK, but there are times when I want to get away from the big Mango and all that Asian metropolis thing the Thais have going on there. Phnom Penh is fun. It has a different pace. I like to walk around, cross the streets whenever I feel like it, eat Khmer food, and yes spend some time with the local girls. Phnom is not my favorite watering hole in Asia, but every other year or so I get the desire to come back and relax here. I was last in Penh in 2011. I took a mini side trip to Kep and Kampot. I rented a motorcycle for $5 /day and toured the countryside. The Penh girls treated me well and I had a great time. I paid around $25 and $30 for multiple shots ST. I am starting to get that 'wish I was back in PP blues' again. Guess I will have to start planning my next trip.

A rough ball park price comparison should compare apples to apples not apples to figs. I can't keep track of exact prices all that much because I visit a lot of places and I just don't care what I pay as long as I am paying the local market rate and the girls I take show me a good time.

Penh good looking hostess girls $30 + barfine ST (my experience this includes two pops). Finding the right girl may take a little time. Girls hanging out in casinos ask more ($50 and higher). Are they worth it? It depends on the girl.

BKK Cowboy / Nana Go Go girl 2000bt + barfine ST and 3000bt LT. Some girls are starting to ask 2500bt ST. Sexy oily massage girls still around 2100bt ST total and soapy girls are from 2200bt up to 6800bt ST.

Makati hot Burgos ST bar girl 3000p average + 3000p bar fine more or less which will come to 5000 to 8000p LT. High end Quezon KTV girls 12000p ($300). No lie.

Macau really beautiful Chinese sauna girls 1600hk to 2300hk ST.

AC above average Fields lookers 2000p LT ($50) inclusive. Above average Perimeter lookers 1200p to 1500p LT. So AC is sometimes about the same price as Penh in this category and sometimes more expensive. Penh has better ambiance and food and keep this in mind; some AC bars have premium girls with 3000p to 4000p EWR's. I don't see the savings here over PP, but I like both places for different reasons.

Pattaya - walking Street good looking Go Go girls 2000 to 2500bt + barfine ST and 3000bt 4000bt + barfine LT. Sure there are a tons of cheaper alternatives in Pattaya. The Coconut Bar, Soi 6, and the Dark Side, but remember I am comparing apples to apples. Pattaya at the top level is not cheaper than Penh.

So that was my little comparison of top quality to top quality girls which is what I focus on when I am in the field hunting. If you want to compare FL's to FL's; that is another story. For Example: PP $10 ST, BKK 1000bt ST, Pattaya 500 to 700bt ST & 1000bt LT, AC 700p LT, Malate / Ermita 1500p LT, Macau 250hk to 1000hk ST. So the cheapest girls are still in Penh, then AC and then Pattaya. I guess what Rick is trying to say is Pattaya and AC have a better and larger selection of girls at the lower end price level. I have no argument with this. Hey, go where your bliss leads and your wallet allows. AND be happy!

Easton
08-25-12, 21:03
If money matters, avoid the airport ATM as it costs $6 USD. In town or other local shops, the ATM fee is $ 4 USD.Use the ATM in the Cambodia Mekong Bank on the riverfront, there are no fees. It will give you all $100 bills, but then you just change them at their counter.

Also, there are some real cuties working there.

Jp Slicky
08-26-12, 02:26
Rick.

Don't mean to flame you.

However, You can always come back to Japan and pay the going rates and get the kooky here.

Wendella
08-26-12, 05:23
That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.PP has that same kind of super cheap ST, at about that price, but it's seedy as hell and you probably wouldn't be into it if you were taken there. That used to be part of the 'scene' in PP but there's been a crackdown on it, so it's much less avaiilable to foreigners these days. PP is still one of the cheapest places in the world. The only problem seems to be the expectation that there be a direct correspondence between cost of living for locals and the price you pay. Since you don't work there and earn local wages, I don't see how that affects you though.

Rick Rock
08-26-12, 07:06
These guys will spend $60 to fill their gas tanks to drive around and look at the shopping malls where they come from. They'd have to pay at least $100 for a HJ, where they live. They pay $1000s on airfare and hotels and cry about $30. Give me a break. Be thankful for what you can get for such small money.I don't have a gas tank. I'm from NYC. I pay $2 to go anywhere in the five boroughs. 24 hours a day, on an air conditioned train. I also don't go to shopping malls. Again, I'm from NYC. Is that why people pay a lot in PP? Because they are suburban suckers, conspicuous spenders, show offs? So the same reason NYC is getting ruined by bridge and tunnel assholes applies to a far flung end of the world location like PP?

A HJ in NYC in Chinatown attached to a 1 hour massage runs me exactly $35. I paid $950 to fly to Hong Kong. $135 from there to BKK. $105 from BKK to Phnom Penh. All round trip. How any of this is relevant to girls who were born and raised in Cambodia and need less than $100 a month to live above the local standard is beyond me.

Anyone will work for the highest rate they can get. That's obvious. The issue is why foreigners are paying such high rates. Of course the people would work for a lot less if such rates weren't on offer, because they need a lot less to live, then say, an escort in Manhattan.

And when I say I pay 1000 be LT in Pattaya, that's not for beach road or Soi 6 hags. Cute girls with flat stomachs no stretch marks nice tits and asses from Soi 7 and Soi 8 go with me at the rate without a problem. They are as good as any girl in PP. It costs them a lot more to live in Pattaya than it costs a girl to live in PP. They have to bang more guys to earn the same standard of life. Why is that?

If you like paying the Hong Kong rates in a country where most people lack electricity and toilets, more power to you. Just don't promote the place as a world historic value for mongering, because it's not.

Wendella
08-26-12, 10:56
Anyone will work for the highest rate they can get. That's obvious. The issue is why foreigners are paying such high rates. Of course the people would work for a lot less if such rates weren't on offer, because they need a lot less to live, then say, an escort in Manhattan.I thought you said the issue was why they charge that much. Anyway, the reason foreigners pay that much is easy to guess: because at that moment they're probably a bit drunk and looking at a gorgeous girl, and eager to move on to the next stage of things. And they're on holiday. And they have plenty of spend money on hand. And this is the time to spend it. And they're horny. And they know when they go back home, the same thing will cost a lot more.

Rick Rock
08-26-12, 13:17
I'm not going to get into a discussion on economics, especially on this forum of all places. I'll just say that in the final judgement value of a commodity reflects the amount needed to reproduce the work embedded in it. Supply and demand and the market only helps this process along, it doesn't supercede it (that's why a garment worker in Vietnam is paid 1/100th of what his counterpart in Vermont would be paid for the exact same work; it costs a lot more to house, feed, and raise a new generation of garment workers in Burlington than it does Hanoi at the current time. Of course this doesn't matter for international corporations based in place like New York, which are playing with USA dollars and exporting the final products to the West). This goes against the "common wisdom" of the American School of make believe "free markets" and "supply and demand," which reflects the rise and dominance of fictitious capital that caused the 1973-2008 credit bubble and crisis from which we haven't and won't recover, but it's none the less true. If you read any of the founders of political economy, those who formulated the ideological basis of capitalism and discovered its processes, you'll find what the reality is. Some economists are now doing precisely that, in an effort to discover a way out of the current impasse.

The End.

AussieGuy100
08-26-12, 16:02
I'm not going to get into a discussion on economics, especially on this forum of all places. I'll just say that in the final judgement value of a commodity reflects the amount needed to reproduce the work embedded in it. Supply and demand and the market only helps this process along, it doesn't supercede it.

The End.Wrong. For a start the girls are not 'commodities' in a marketing sense. They are discretionary purchases. Like a pair of Nike trainers or a Timberland shirt. The price of the Nike trainers is not determined on cost plus a small profit, as would be the case with true commodities like gasoline or milk. The Nikes have a higher perceived value due to advertising and brand perception and the high price reflects this.

This is similar to the prices the girls ask for. They initially try to get the highest price they can from punters on the basis that the punters may believe that they are worth that. Some punters do believe this and agree straight away. Most will negotiate down a bit and then think they are getting good value. A few punters with more local knowledge, or just a harder attitude, will keep negotiating the price down, but be willing to walk away.

So it is very much supply and demand that determines the girls prices here. Believe me, prices would drop if the girls weren't getting any business at all. Plus a lot of them are happy with just being bought about 80-100 lady drinks a month (a typical total that yields them $80-100) plus about $30 in tips plus their $70 salary. About $200 a month in total.

Also many of the more beautiful girls already have between one and four overseas guys each sending them between $100-500 a month. Of course each guy thinks he is the only boyfriend, but the girls are expert jugglers. So why bother with cheap ST's when they are making several hundred dollars a month for sitting around.

I have lived here now for several months and constantly see girls sitting in the bars calling up one boyfriend after another on a Skype video call and telling them how much they love them and could the guy possibly manage a few more dollars for rent / sickness / new dress etc.

Rick Rock
08-26-12, 16:50
The girls are not commodities. The service they sell is. And the value of it, like all other commodities, is based on expended work and reproduction. Period.

The amount of time that goes into a Nike shoe is higher than the amount of time that goes into a no name shoe. Not only in the physical production, but in the amount of time used for creating advertising, the huge marketing campaigns, the training of the people who create and implement the marketing campaigns, and the cost to reproduce all of that. A commodity is everything (I. E. All the work / time, the quality of that work / time, the rate to reproduce that work / time) that goes into making it a commodity.

If guys are giving them outrageous amounts of money, buying dozens of drinks, and they have lots of overseas idiots, which I do very much believe, that explains why the market is so skewed. Like I guessed, foreign punters and the dollar ruined it. It's the equivalent of Nike packing up and setting up a factory in Cambodia, then paying the workers $10 an hour,"because that's still so much lower than where they come from in the USA". Of course they would never do that, because they are not stupid. That's why Nike is successful.

Good on the girls. I hope they get all the money they can and are able to raise themselves to a decent quality of life. Obviously the dummies dishing out the dough don't need it, or they wouldn't be doing that. But it absolutely excludes PP and a value mongering destination as there are dozens of places on earth with more quantity, more variety, all at better prices.

RCA Knight
08-26-12, 16:51
No mongers go somewhere and start to calculate the ST pop price vs average earning ratio. Most people are on 1-2 weeks hunting trip. When they see a cutie in Phnom Penh costing 40 USD, instead of doing the ST fee against average GDP math, they will think this gal in Bangkok massage or gogo bar will cost me total over 2800 bahts. They will think it's el cheapo cheapo in PP.

That's why all the fees in different countries regardless the GDP / ST session ratio are getting more and more similar, especially the middle upper market. Well, HK and Singapore have 10 times more average GDP than these SEA backwaters, but amazingly a ST session with a nice gogo girl or a sideline girl in Thailand (total cost about 100 USD) cost the same with a beautiful hotel booking girl in HK (also about 100 USD).

Guitar7997
08-26-12, 17:45
Hey rick,

Why keep thinking of Cambodia when you have already left? I think arguing is good but not to the point where it becomes an ego issue. I think many BMs would rather this thread be full of FR than the "out of your control" arguments that has been going on. Why not call it quits and everyone move on like gentleman?

Jvdairlie
08-26-12, 22:16
Remind me to take a calculator next time I hit a bar in Phnom Pehn. Must get the economics right!

AussieGuy100
08-27-12, 00:36
Hey rick,

Why keep thinking of Cambodia when you have already left? I think arguing is good but not to the point where it becomes an ego issue. I think many BMs would rather this thread be full of FR than the "out of your control" arguments that has been going on. Why not call it quits and everyone move on like gentleman?Nicely expressed.

And it's actually a good time to be out in the field.

The hostess bar girls get paid at the beginning of the month, so from about the 20th of the month onwards many of them are running out of money and are willing to go out with customers for less than they would normally. Also from July to October is the quiet season for bars, so fewer customers and even more reason for the girls to accept less.

AussieGuy100
08-27-12, 01:07
With all the discussions about prices and 'value', it's easy to forget how stunning some of the girls are in Cambodia. How could anyone possibly say no to LT for $40 with this girl?

Tiger 888
08-27-12, 02:15
...It's the equivalent of Nike packing up and setting up a factory in Cambodia, then paying the workers $10 an hour,"because that's still so much lower than where they come from in the USA"...I am fully with you. You are the first American with such a voice of reason that I come across. But most parts of the world are spoiled for the reasons the others mention. Also Thailand is way overpriced.

That is why I prefer to stay in Hong Kong now. In very few places you can get a session for less time of work. No hotels and no travel involved, and a good variety available.

Hatguy
08-27-12, 04:55
Your sentiments are spot on. I had a similar girl from one of the bars. She was genuinely beautiful in my opinion. She asked me for USD$30 and I took her twice because she was great. No need to negotiate. GFE and stayed all night until next afternoon. In the end she needed to go do some chores. No problem at all. In terms of the sex she was great. I liked her so I didn't make her do any weird stuff but she was probably up for a bit of anal. The 2nd time I took her she tried to give me back $20. Told her to spend it on her kid.

It remains a one off special time in my mind that I wouldn't spoil with talk of lower rates.

Wendella
08-27-12, 08:02
I'm not going to get into a discussion on economics,

The End.Well I, for one, am glad to see what it looks like when you avoid the topic of economics. ;.)

RCA Knight
08-27-12, 18:22
Every country has local venues. If you do some search around and willing take the risk, and can screw in some pig sty, you can always find places that are in line with their country's economy. In BBK, just get out of town a bit, to Chonburi, Samut Sakorn, Kanchanaburi ect, local karaoke joints or brothels everywhere for 500 bahts. It takes some guts to go to these joints usually in very dark alleys and sometimes with very rowdy and rough Thai customers (imagine 10 Thai taxi drivers or construction workers or somtam guys drinking together) When I was younger, I liked the off beaten tracks, I like adventures, also I had a few very scary moments.

In PP, you can also play local style, and pay according to their economy, but you also have go through a series of risk to save a few dollars. If you are looking for 10 dollar or less a pop, that fit the definition of average GPD salary ratio, you can go to Svay Pak. This place was never completely closed, it is just on a low key. But if you go, it's your own risk. This place has been infested with NGO lookouts, and crooked police looking for extortion since the semi-closure.

As for most of us, I know 40 USD a pop in PP, or 2000 bahts ST (plus pay bar) in Bangkok are very very pricy in their economies, but most of us are on short 7 day mission, are we more concerned about overpaying their economy value or more concerned about I may have to jack off tonight.

Melted11
08-27-12, 23:47
There is the often stated myth of women "faking" orgasms. That is actually impossible to do. Period. I have heard men offering proof aplenty of orgasm by observing women's vocal expressions, body twitching, writhing in general, spasms, heavy breathing, engorged vagina and clit etc. Yet there is only one 100% surefire way to tell if an orgasm is indeed occurring. In fact, all human beings have the exact same response during all orgasms. The sphincter contracts and pulsates each and every time.

So. If the guy has his finger even lightly on her anus or the tip of the finger inside (no real need to penetrate very far) the response is unmistakable (and impossible to fake). And the same if she is touching the man's backdoor.

For maximum affect the index finger is inserted not too far. Maybe to the first knuckle (and fingernails must be trimmed to the shortest length possible) it usually prompts the orgasm if done at the right time and in the right manner."Gentle and slow" is the key concept here. Not rough and aggressive as this can be alarming for the woman. Light stroking before any insertion, etc.

I am rather amazed that I have never seen this discussed anywhere. Ever. Hmmm.

One of the most pleasurable acts in sex to me is making the woman come and feeling her pulsating asshole. Perhaps one of my favorite things is when I stimulate her clitoris manually and probe and lick her ass with my tongue and then insert it fully and feel her anus strongly grip my tongue as she is coming. And likewise when she is doing the same to me. Heaven indeed and especially when another woman is sucking my cock at the same time."Double Trouble" I call it.

No man on Earth can withstand that onslaught for more than a few minutes. Two talented tongues drilling toward each other right through your center. Wow.

Obviously ultra-cleanliness is in order for the above. I always use copious amounts of soap and do the cleaning myself on both of us (really really clean). This will last maybe an hour of activity after showering to be guaranteed of no accidents. I aint never had nary a problem with hundreds of women. They might be a bit surprised at first (especially when in the shower cleaning, etc.) but all surrender to the intense pleasure that this activity inevitably delivers.

Not much is more intimate than exploring each others assholes with tongues and lips. If you haven't tried it give it a go and see what happens. You'll thank me. Any thoughts on the above? Others have noticed this for sure.

Gone Around
08-28-12, 04:34
I'm back in the working land. Bummer to leave, but happy to know I'll go back despite the calls about over priced providers.

Frankly, in the end, if you deem your time and money spent with a girl a value for the money spent, you've done great.

For my short or long time in PP, $ 20 was the most I paid. $ 5, the lowest, plus their ride home. It really didn't matter if the girl was cute or not to me, as long they had good attitude and seemed to take care of themselves.

I did go with a few girls a second time or meet up with them. Sometimes more money was asked for, but I kept payment to what I felt was fair for both of us and by being consistent and firm with your no, they respected me more.

No matter what, I had a fantastic time in PP between all of the massages and just about getting to know about half of the gals at Martini. It was funny after a few days, that girls who didn't approach me in the beginning would soon approach me, because they saw and heard that I treated the other girls well. It was like being a long timer at Cheers, where everybody knows your name.

My couple of nights down on the river, was just like being elsewhere in Asia where the bar and girls just feel like they want to suck you dry. That's not enjoyable.

In the end, have an wonderful time in Phnom Penh. If you don't like it, go find someplace else.

Romello Skuggs
08-28-12, 11:16
No man on Earth can withstand that onslaught for more than a few minutes. Two talented tongues drilling toward each other right through your center. Wow.Hahah good to see some of us really pushing the boundaries out there.

Rick Rock
08-29-12, 02:55
Well I, for one, am glad to see what it looks like when you avoid the topic of economics. ;.)Haha. I just responded to some of the replies I got to my post. That's part of posting on a board like this.

I studied economics for 8 years in academia and a long time after that on my own / for employment. Believe me when I tell you, I didn't even began to really discuss the issue.

I'll make my exit from this thread on overpaid hookers and the men who love them now. ;.)

GentleBoner
08-31-12, 11:10
Actually, I never brought up the prospect of leaving with them as I was usually still enjoying my first drink. Each and every time (except when I stopped on the bar on 51) they brought it up to me. So it wasn't a question of me just rolling in and treating it like a brothel. The prices just don't match the country though, place and simple, even at the rates you're saying.

Cambodia 159th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $30. Average ST $33 USD.

Thailand 94th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $683. Average ST $30 USD.

Philippines 133rd in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $142. Average ST $17 USD.

Hong Kong 28th in GDP per capita. Average monthly income = $1353. Average ST $33 USD.

Does that seem right to you?

This place seems to be totally skewed on prices, probably largely because of the dollarized economy. I pay more for coffee and ST here than I do in Philippines or Thailand. From what people have told me, rent here for a Western style apartment is double what it costs for a new condo unit in the Philippines. Heading to the airport now to check out Bangkok. Want to get some enjoyment on my holiday. Enjoy your overpriced ST's and lack of sidewalks my friend.

All in good fun of course. The value just isn't there for me. I'll chalk it up to experience. Thanks for the help from those who offered.You're right that the prices haven't gotten too high in PP. Especially considering the city itself isn't an attraction.

I think it's a spillover effect from Thailand. Most tourists in PP flew in from Bangkok. Girls there cost about $75 / ST from gogos and MPs, so when you can get girls for half that in PP it seems like a bargain.

The prices asked at the bars on 102 and 136 are ridiculous $40 or 50 for ST. I never pay that and rarely visit those places.

The freelancers are much more reasonable. $20 or $25 LT for a nice girl you're attracted to seems like a good deal, and it's one I've partaken in frequently as a result.


I choose not to live there because the apartment prices are way too high. You can get furnished condos in the Philippines or thailand for cheaper than you'd pay for a shithole in PP.

Tmat 4636
09-03-12, 01:01
Thanks guy for all the updates.

L fly into PP from Bangkok this Sunday and would like a few hints from readers out there.

L haven't booked a hotel and was wondering which girlfriendly hotel is near the action as l want to hit the ground running. L am interested in a secure hotel2-3 stars $40 beint themaximum l would like to pay a night.

L have gone through the posts and would like a hint on the best route for barhopping l can make as l am in pp for only one night befor heading to Seam reap.

You can PM me or reply in the thread.

Thanks in advance.

Any guys in town then can PM and we can meet up for a barhop. The last tile l was in PP was 2004

Joe Looking
09-04-12, 03:25
Supply and demand only factors into prostitution that does not occur in areas heavily traversed by tourists. By that I mean that the average tourist will have no problem dropping $200 in BKK for sex, although the price should be closer to $60. For a real world example, think about the over-priced items that are in all tourists destinations.

I found that to get a reasonable p4p price in Cambodia you need to: get a freelancer, be prepared to buy a drink chat then go back the next night, get friendly with one of the other girls who will advocate for you or cross your fingers and hope.

So why the high prices?

At Horny and one of the other bars I went to the girls each received a salary. It was not a lot, but it was more than enough to sustain them given the local cost of living and their lifestyle. They were also not forced by management to fuck. I'm not sure if it is still widely the case, but I was told that in BKK and Pattaya it was once pro-forma for the girls to have to pull in a certain amount in lady drinks and bar fines per week or they would owe the bar. I was also told that many bars did not let women refuse a customer. Those sorts of conditions mean that workers have to fuck, which means the customer has a bit of leverage in the price. If most PP bars are like the two I mentioned, the girls can hold on until they get the price they want. At Horny, there was a girl who had only been barfined I think twice in 6 months and she did not want to drop her price below $40 and ST or LT she only wanted to have sex once.

You all may want to ask if the girls get a salary before asking about the ST / LT price. If they have no salary there will come a time when they have no choice but to deal. For example, there are deals to be had in Cyrcee because at least when I was there last I was told that they get no salary. Not counting the BF you can get the girls for 30-40LT and maybe less if you are a repeat customer for them. When I was there in March one of the girls who works in 2s first offered me 2 girls LT for 90 then 80 then 60 and I later found out that neither had been barfined in 3 weeks. Things could be different now, but from what I saw the only chick who seemed to be in high demand was the one who took it up the butt. The rest stand there hoping most nights. There's also nothing wrong with asking the bartender who never gets barfined or how often a particular girl is barfined.

Another thing affecting the cost is the USD. Many SEA business people are fairly ignorant of western ideas of capitalism. The idea of things like loss leaders, pricing for a local market and so on are largely foreign to them. That said, most of them probably throw out numbers like $50 because it is "big money" for them, but seems like "small money" for most foreigners. Kind of like how some freelancers in Vientiane charge 12000 kip ($15USD) for LT but others will ask for 2500 THB (70USD?) if they think you are on a border run because that is what men pay in Thailand.

If you want bar girls for a reasonable price then be prepared to put some work in or try a different approach than walking up to the prettiest one and saying how much. Your goals are to get the girl and at least one other girl to think you are nice and to soften your main girl up. This means that you will probably walk away with nothing at least the first night. One really good thing to do is to get one of the other girls to advocate for you. I once bought a girl a drink because she was nice and spoke okay English. I then told her point blank that I was not into her. Instead of getting pissy she told me to point out the girl I liked. She then called the girl over, introduced us and stayed through the negotiations. Initially the girl wanted something ridiculous but the first girl talked her pretty far down. One subtle thing that is lost on many mongers is that a ton of women working in SEA bars do not actually consider themselves to be prostitutes, more opportunists. Because of that distinction you cannot approach them all by immediately asking how much. Sometimes you have to say you like them and want to take them home then give them the opportunity to bring up money.

I found the Cambodians to be far less hardened than the chicks at agogos and some bars in BKK. You might have to work a bit harder for some of the Cambodians but I found that many of them are worth it. One guy put it to me like this. When he was in Thailand 20 years ago all the bar girls wanted to get married to a foreigner so if you could get them to like you or think you were a nice guy, you could get away with murder. Now many Thai chicks just want cash. In Cambodia some of them seem to want a nice guy and not all the money they can get, so if they like you then all bets are off.

Someone mentioned spots for locals and I would advise that most members stay away from there. Many local men look for a different type of sexual gratification that the average foreigner. You may go to a local brothel and the girl may go for $5 for a quick fuck, but she may just spread her legs and close her eyes for the whole time. Or worse, you may realize that she is pretty much a daily mattress. I was in whatever town has the bamboo bridge and my motodriver would not shut up until I let him take me to the local brothels. When we found one that would take a black guy so I went in the room to do my thing. It was only $7, but there were no less than 20 condom wrappers on the floor and my guess would be they were all from that day.

Tiger 888
09-04-12, 04:24
@Joe Looking: I couldn't have put that better. Very well said. And that is exactly why I like Cambodia over Thailand.

Hatguy
09-04-12, 05:14
Joe's report has been put in the reports of distinction thread by myself. This is exactly how I felt about PP. And looking back on it I got the great GFE I got because I didn't take the girl the first day and played a bit hard to get.

I am planning to be in PP at the end of the year for a bit longer this time. Only 2 days in Pattaya and the rest drinking cheap beer and hanging out with some people I met last time. Might get over to Siam Reap. See how it goes.

Mr Enternational
09-04-12, 06:41
Supply and demand only factors into prostitution that does not occur in areas heavily traversed by tourists. By that I mean that the average tourist will have no problem dropping $200 in BKK for sex, although the price should be closer to $60. For a real world example, think about the over-priced items that are in all tourists destinations.

I found that to get a reasonable p4p price in Cambodia you need to: get a freelancer, be prepared to buy a drink chat then go back the next night, get friendly with one of the other girls who will advocate for you or cross your fingers and hope.Thanks Joe. You hit the nail right on the head. In the last few days I have been combing through your reports on Nha Trang and HCMC getting for my Vietnam trip. You are really teaching me some things brother. And big ups to Hatguy for adding this report to the ROD thread.

Scorchin1470
09-04-12, 12:18
Thanks guy for all the updates.

L fly into PP from Bangkok this Sunday and would like a few hints from readers out there.

L haven't booked a hotel and was wondering which girlfriendly hotel is near the action as l want to hit the ground running. L am interested in a secure hotel2-3 stars $40 beint themaximum l would like to pay a night.

L have gone through the posts and would like a hint on the best route for barhopping l can make as l am in pp for only one night befor heading to Seam reap.

You can PM me or reply in the thread.

Thanks in advance.

Any guys in town then can PM and we can meet up for a barhop. The last tile l was in PP was 2004I would suggest you book an hotel before you travel if only for the first night. Old soldiers will always tell you to secure your pit first. Otherwise you will be hassled by taxis and tuk tuk drivers at the Airport. Most hotels other than the top 5 star hotels are gf. More

So if you book a double room. You can always ask outright when you book; the hotels are used to being asked.

Walk down the river font, Sisoweth Quay and the streets off it will yield more opportunities than you can manage.

Wendella
09-09-12, 09:32
Someone mentioned spots for locals and I would advise that most members stay away from there. Many local men look for a different type of sexual gratification that the average foreigner. You may go to a local brothel and the girl may go for $5 for a quick fuck, but she may just spread her legs and close her eyes for the whole time. Or worse, you may realize that she is pretty much a daily mattress. I was in whatever town has the bamboo bridge and my motodriver would not shut up until I let him take me to the local brothels. When we found one that would take a black guy so I went in the room to do my thing. It was only $7, but there were no less than 20 condom wrappers on the floor and my guess would be they were all from that day.These places really should be avoided, period. There's something much more important than our lack of comfort that is the issue in these places. These kinds of for-locals brothels are normally stocked with girls who are in debt bondage, or what the UN and most mainstream media call sex slavery. Typical story is that a daughter is handed over by a father who foolishly accrued a large gambling debt, this kind of thing. Another is that false job offers were made, and the reality instead turned out to be this place. There are other reasons to avoid, which can't really be discussed, but the gist is that you could easily put yourself at risk of ending up in a Cambodian prison, or else one in your own country. These places are bad, bad news.

[QUOTE=Tmat 4636; 1322944]L fly into PP from Bangkok this Sunday and would like a few hints from readers out there.

L haven't booked a hotel and was wondering which girlfriendly hotel is near the action as l want to hit the ground running. L am interested in a secure hotel2-3 stars $40 beint themaximum l would like to pay a night.

L have gone through the posts and would like a hint on the best route for barhopping l can make as l am in pp for only one night befor heading to Seam reap.

/QUOTE]Who is L? ;.)

Ekspat
09-09-12, 09:43
It was only $7, but there were no less than 20 condom wrappers on the floor and my guess would be they were all from that day.Surprise for me, that the locals use condom. The few times I went to such places it was BB all the time.

Cheers!

AussieGuy100
09-09-12, 13:55
Surprise for me, that the locals use condom. The few times I went to such places it was BB all the time.

Cheers!The choice of whether to use condoms or not in places that don't require it is yours to make. Personally I think it's crazy not to use them here in Cambodia. HIV drugs are so good these days that HIV-positive girls often don't look any different to HIV negative girls. Sure you still see scary thin, worried looking girls, but there are many healthy looking girls who may be HIV positive. There was a discussion on another forum where it was claimed that a guy selling HIV test kits a few years ago offered to test all the girls at Cyrcee for free, and 20% of them were positive. I can't verify this, but it's a scary thought.

Anzac
09-10-12, 16:17
"I think it's a spillover effect from Thailand. Most tourists in PP flew in from Bangkok."

Its more than a tourist effect. Its also cultural and national pride. Living in Thailand and having mongered in PP for 15 years, I am well aware
of the animosity and jealousy between Cambodian and Thai women. I have a Thai wife who refuses to go to Cambodia for a holiday. My advice to mongerers seeking the going rate for ST / LT in PP is to never, ever mention that you live in, or have just come from holidaying in Thailand. Cambodians are just as proud as the Thais, and the working girls of PP know exactly how much punters are paying in BKK, Pattaya etc. Guaranteed you tell a Cambodian girl you have just come from Thailand,
its the Thai price or more you will pay. In their Asian way of thinking, to accept less money than the Thai girls is to admit that they are a lesser race than the Thais. Something they will never do. To this day, unless there are girls that know me in the bars / clubs, I still play the dumb newbie and get treated like one (lets face it, the girls pay alot more attention to newbies than regular punters) , with the knowledge and experience behind me to know when they are trying to rip me off.

On the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in SE Asia, I have found Vientiane to be the best value. 20USD LT no probs. Give it a try if PP isn't for you.

Leftfield1965
09-11-12, 04:37
"I think it's a spillover effect from Thailand. Most tourists in PP flew in from Bangkok."

Its more than a tourist effect. Its also cultural and national pride. Living in Thailand and having mongered in PP for 15 years, I am well aware.

Of the animosity and jealousy between Cambodian and Thai women. I have a Thai wife who refuses to go to Cambodia for a holiday. My advice to mongerers seeking the going rate for ST / LT in PP is to never, ever mention that you live in, or have just come from holidaying in Thailand. Cambodians are just as proud as the Thais, and the working girls of PP know exactly how much punters are paying in BKK, Pattaya etc. Guaranteed you tell a Cambodian girl you have just come from Thailand,

Its the Thai price or more you will pay. In their Asian way of thinking, to accept less money than the Thai girls is to admit that they are a lesser race than the Thais. Something they will never do. To this day, unless there are girls that know me in the bars / clubs, I still play the dumb newbie and get treated like one (lets face it, the girls pay alot more attention to newbies than regular punters) , with the knowledge and experience behind me to know when they are trying to rip me off.

On the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in SE Asia, I have found Vientiane to be the best value. 20USD LT no probs. Give it a try if PP isn't for you.What a load of horseshit! (except the last paragraph, never been to Laos so can't comment)

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 years and have never paid more than $20 ST/$30 LT and I consider those prices fair.

All the girls I've been with know where I live (Bangkok) , as it is usually the first or second question they ask me. It makes absolutely no difference where you come from, the majority of working girls in PP wouldn't have a clue what the going prices are in Bangkok.

Regarding your comments that the girls pay more attention to newbies, again I beg to differ. The regular punters who live in PP or visit on a regular basis are their bread and butter. The girls need these customers more to keep things ticking over when there's a shortage of tourists in town, so they look after them very well.

GentleBoner
09-11-12, 13:14
Yeah I disagree too.

I always tell Khmer girls that I live in Thailand and it's no big problem. They never try to demand Thai prices.

The only girls who try to charge me $40-50 are girls who think I'm a dumb tourist.

And only the hardened sharks go after the newbies. I see plenty of newbie tourist looking guys getting no attention because they look clueless like they don't even know what a working girl does.

A lot of the best girls go for the guys who are already known to be nice.

Anzac
09-11-12, 16:26
[QUOTE=Leftfield1965; 1325701]What a load of horseshit! (except the last paragraph, never been to Laos so can't comment)

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 years and have never paid more than $20 ST/$30 LT and I consider those prices fair.

Leftfield, you are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is. My advice and observations are based on 15 years of mongering in PP. But then again, if you consider yourelf the infinite wisdom on such things after 3 years, who am I to argue.

RCA Knight
09-11-12, 17:53
On the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in SE Asia, I have found Vientiane to be the best value. 20USD LT no probs. Give it a try if PP isn't for you.20USD is no where near the norm in Vientiane. That was how much I paid 20-25 USD ST in the karaokes and disco pick ups back in the early 90's when I first discovered Vientiane. The average now in Vientiane from karaoke bars, expect to pay minimum 50USD up, for freelancers, expect to pay at 35 USD or 1000 baht for a medium doable girl, for a cutie freelancer, believe me, the Lao girls know if they are cute or not by now, always want around 50 USD up. Of course the price can fluctuate 5-10 USD depends on the demand and supply of that time. But 20 USD for a good looker all night in Vientiane, well, she must like you so much to give you 30 USD discount. It's a market economy, very unfortunately the demand has spoiled the supply. BTW, the cheapest sex in Vientiane besides the unattractive freelancers, is the hotel brothels, which also cost 1200 bahts or 40 USD ST room included. Vientiane is definitely more expensive than PP.

Leftfield1965
09-12-12, 03:55
Leftfield, you are entitled to your opinion, as everyone is. My advice and observations are based on 15 years of mongering in PP. But then again, if you consider yourelf the infinite wisdom on such things after 3 years, who am I to argue.I've countered your (crap) observations and all you can come up with is the old "I've mongered in PP for 15 years compared to your 3 years" chessnut.

How about addressing my points?

Take all the time you need, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Tiger 888
09-12-12, 06:15
I've countered your (crap) observations and all you can come up with is the old "I've mongered in PP for 15 years compared to your 3 years" chessnut.

How about addressing my points?

Take all the time you need, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.In addition I'd say at the pace things change any experience older that 1-2 years is pretty much useless.

Gone Around
09-12-12, 06:43
A lot of the best girls go for the guys who are already known to be nice.Another so very true. In being a regular, though new, by my third evening at Martinis, more girls would smile and approach me than on the first couple of evenings. When I asked them why, I'd get answers along the lines of "you smile and XYZ says you're nice".

From past countries experiences, if you want a better time, bar hop only the first evening or two, but then start sticking with just a couple of places and cultivate mini-relationships with the girls. In the long run, you'll have a much better time.

Despite all of the recent complaints about PP, I really had a great time and I consider PP one of the top places I've been during my world travels. Another top favorite comes from spending time in the Russian country side with WGs there.

Scorchin1470
09-12-12, 08:41
From past countries experiences, if you want a better time, bar hop only the first evening or two, but then start sticking with just a couple of places and cultivate mini-relationships with the girls. In the long run, you'll have a much better time.Excellent advice. I have stayed in PP a number of times (at the Bourganvillier in response to any un-asked questions) and have always stuck to the pattern of bar hopping (choosing bars far enough apart so the local jungle drums don't get a chance to compare notes) , being polite and investing in a few lady drinks, and then focussing in on two or three bars for the next few days.

Trouble is that even experienced mongers feel the need to dive straight in when they get to a new source f different pusst

Mr Enternational
09-12-12, 17:10
What a load of horseshit! (except the last paragraph, never been to Laos so can't comment)

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 years and have never paid more than $20 ST/$30 LT and I consider those prices fair.

All the girls I've been with know where I live (Bangkok) , as it is usually the first or second question they ask me. It makes absolutely no difference where you come from, the majority of working girls in PP wouldn't have a clue what the going prices are in Bangkok.I second that. Just to blow more holes... I live in Thailand and the only time I have ever been to PP was last March, so I was a newbie. I paid $15 for ST with a Walkabout chick and no more than $28 for LT with HOD chicks. Just to be fair, the hot Vietnamese chick in Martini's did want $40 for LT, but I didn't let her come with me and only secured her phone number just in case, because I wanted to see what HOD had on offer again.

Scorchin1470
09-12-12, 17:37
I second that. Just to blow more holes. I live in Thailand and the only time I have ever been to PP was last March, so I was a newbie. I paid $15 for ST with a Walkabout chick and no more than $28 for LT with HOD chicks. Just to be fair, the hot Vietnamese chick in Martini's did want $40 for LT, but I didn't let her come with me and only secured her phone number just in case, because I wanted to see what HOD had on offer again.I will be visiting PP, SR and S'ville in November. I plan to monger in all three places. My preference is for ST. During my trip I will report back bot with prices asked and prices paid. The information should be useful for the rest of of the tourist season.

AussieGuy100
09-12-12, 22:41
I will be visiting PP, SR and S'ville in November. I plan to monger in all three places. My preference is for ST. During my trip I will report back bot with prices asked and prices paid. The information should be useful for the rest of of the tourist season.Try taking the initiative on prices. Instead of asking how much for ST, tell them what you will pay.

For example a conversation at Walkabout, after exchanging pleasantries and you deciding that you want the girl, might go like this.

You: I want short time. $10.

Girl: Ohh. $20?

You: $10.

Girl: OK, I go with you for $15.

At this point you can decide that $15 is acceptable, or keep pushing.

You: $10.

Girl: please. $15, I give you good time, good boom boom.

You: $10.

Girl: OK $10. But maybe you give me tip if I boom boom good? (laughs)

You: Maybe.

I've had this conversation many times in both freelance bars and hostess bars, with good success. Your starting price in the hostess bars usually has to be $5 higher and you're up for the $7-10 barfine as well.

Gone Around
09-13-12, 06:58
You: I want short time. $10.

Girl: Ohh. $20?

You: $10.

Girl: OK, I go with you for $15.

At this point you can decide that $15 is acceptable, or keep pushing.

You: $10.

Girl: please. $15, I give you good time, good boom boom.

You: $10.

Girl: OK $10. But maybe you give me tip if I boom boom good? (laughs)

You: Maybe.Pretty good advice here. Be reasonable in what you're offering and stick with it.

If the gal comes down to it, more than likely you'll have a good time. If not, she was only there for the money and wouldn't have been much better than a cold fish lay. Ick.

Gone Around
09-13-12, 06:59
I second that. Just to blow more holes. I live in Thailand and the only time I have ever been to PP was last March, so I was a newbie. I paid $15 for ST with a Walkabout chick and no more than $28 for LT with HOD chicks. Just to be fair, the hot Vietnamese chick in Martini's did want $40 for LT, but I didn't let her come with me and only secured her phone number just in case, because I wanted to see what HOD had on offer again.Where, what the heck is HOD?

Scorchin1470
09-13-12, 07:03
Try taking the initiative on prices. Instead of asking how much for ST, tell them what you will pay.

For example a conversation at Walkabout, after exchanging pleasantries and you deciding that you want the girl, might go like this.

You: I want short time. $10.

Girl: Ohh. $20?

You: $10.

Girl: OK, I go with you for $15.

At this point you can decide that $15 is acceptable, or keep pushing.

You: $10.

Girl: please. $15, I give you good time, good boom boom.

You: $10.

Girl: OK $10. But maybe you give me tip if I boom boom good? (laughs)

You: Maybe.

I've had this conversation many times in both freelance bars and hostess bars, with good success. Your starting price in the hostess bars usually has to be $5 higher and you're up for the $7-10 barfine as well.Exactly what I suggested! Price asked and price paid implies bargaining!

Gone Around
09-13-12, 07:06
Excellent advice. I have stayed in PP a number of times (at the Bourganvillier in response to any un-asked questions) and have always stuck to the pattern of bar hopping (choosing bars far enough apart so the local jungle drums don't get a chance to compare notes) , being polite and investing in a few lady drinks, and then focussing in on two or three bars for the next few days.

Trouble is that even experienced mongers feel the need to dive straight in when they get to a new source f different pusstBourganvillier looks great, but my gosh, the prices. I get nice non-GF places to stay for 2-3 nights for those prices and book a decent $ 10. $ 15 short- or long-term hotel by whatever spot I'm picking up in. Hmm. With the combined prices though, I should upgrade my main place to nice GF hotel and stop the cheapo on the side. I partially do it to protect my stuff and help keep ST to ST.

Might as well ask, in keeping to $ 30 to $ 40 a night for a hotel or villa, that's GF and away from the riverfront, what do you recommend?

Lastly, if I'm really antsy before going to the bars, I go get a massage with a HE and then I'm calmer before the real shopping. As a bonus, I get a little extra hang time with the girl from not being so tense.

AussieGuy100
09-13-12, 17:55
Exactly what I suggested! Price asked and price paid implies bargaining!Yes, bargaining is of course essential. My point is to TELL them what you will pay, not ASK them. Most guys ask the girl "How much for short time?" This means the girl can ask a high price first off and may not want to drop her price too far.

By telling her your price first, it puts her on the back foot and she is negotiating in your ball park rather than hers.

It can make a big difference. In some hostess bars a girl might try a ridiculous first asking price of $40-50 for short time. You are then negotiating down from a high starting point. If you say up front "I want short time $15", they have to try to negotiate up from your low price, and they are highly unlikely to reply "No, $50"

Scorchin1470
09-13-12, 18:12
Yes, bargaining is of course essential. My point is to TELL them what you will pay, not ASK them. Most guys ask the girl "How much for short time?" This means the girl can ask a high price first off and may not want to drop her price too far.

By telling her your price first, it puts her on the back foot and she is negotiating in your ball park rather than hers.

It can make a big difference. In some hostess bars a girl might try a ridiculous first asking price of $40-50 for short time. You are then negotiating down from a high starting point. If you say up front "I want short time $15", they have to try to negotiate up from your low price, and they are highly unlikely to reply "No, $50"Never ask 'how much? ' Time was when price was never discussed and the WG was happy with $10-$15 plus, possibly breakfast in the morning or $5 for a taxi (knowing full well she would take the bus for 50 cents)

But you echo my approach,"I have $15 to spend." I have never had a counter offer of over $35 and usually in the $25-$30 range with $20-$25 being the closing price.

Mr Enternational
09-13-12, 19:29
Where, what the heck is HOD?I said I would write about HOD and Martini's in a separate report when I left PP back in March but evidently I never got around to it. I don't really have time now, but for me and my taste HOD was the best thing going in PP. It is located 1 block and across the street from Walkabout. It is a disco that is set up like the foyer / living room of a mansion (see pics) with the chandelier and stairs. The drinks were cheap, like $3 or $3. 50 so I did not mind buying for a girl I was interested in. I hung out around the bar on the ground floor or in the chair right at the top of the steps. There were many locals and gay guys who it seemed were just hanging out and not intending to go with a barang. I didn't discuss any prices with chicks before we left together. I just gave the first one $22 and the second one I gave $28. I gave the day time security guy $2 to let me go in and take pictures.

Rick Rock
09-14-12, 08:37
Interested stuff regarding pricing and more in Cambo bars:

"Dr Heidi Hoefinger completed seven years of research on the hostess bar scene in Phnom Penh from 2003-2010. She received her PhD in Media Communications and Social Science form Goldmiths, University of London. She is the author of the upcoming book Sex, Love and Money in Cambodia (Routledge. 2013).

'Some girls make $60 a month; I spend $1, 000 a month, ' Trang proudly stated as she sipped from her chocolate Martini while relaxing in a Phnom Penh hostess bar. As if to emphasize the point, the sparkling diamond rings on her fingers were complemented by two diamond studs encrusted in her teeth. Trang, married to a British doctor, is considered a 'success' story someone whom many other bar girls (a self-referential term) admire. This is not only because of her spending power and prestige, but also the financial and emotional support she provides to the younger, less experienced girls, whom she calls her 'sisters'.

"Although every woman in this much-maligned industry has her own unique life history, seven years of in-depth research into the hostess bar scene in Phnom Penh has revealed something of a common story. It is one that revolves around family obligation, curiosity, and desires for adventure, love and future security."

A lot more: http://americanexpatchiangmai.com/a-womans-work-professional-girlfriends-and-bar-girls-in-phnom-penh/#more-1980

Rick Rock
09-14-12, 08:47
To blow some more holes in the horse shit, many Cambodian people view Thai people in a positive light, and though anti-Cambodian prejudice definitely exists in Thailand it's nothing like, say, the racism against Haitians in the Dominican Republic or Central Americans in America. I have plenty of Thai friends who have nothing bad to say about Cambodians at all (more than once I've heard "they have big breasts!").

Joe Looking
09-17-12, 02:08
"i think it's a spillover effect from thailand. most tourists in pp flew in from bangkok."

its more than a tourist effect. its also cultural and national pride. living in thailand and having mongered in pp for 15 years, i am well aware.

of the animosity and jealousy between cambodian and thai women. i have a thai wife who refuses to go to cambodia for a holiday. my advice to mongerers seeking the going rate for st / lt in pp is to never, ever mention that you live in, or have just come from holidaying in thailand. cambodians are just as proud as the thais, and the working girls of pp know exactly how much punters are paying in bkk, pattaya etc. guaranteed you tell a cambodian girl you have just come from thailand,

its the thai price or more you will pay. in their asian way of thinking, to accept less money than the thai girls is to admit that they are a lesser race than the thais. something they will never do. to this day, unless there are girls that know me in the bars / clubs, i still play the dumb newbie and get treated like one (lets face it, the girls pay alot more attention to newbies than regular punters) , with the knowledge and experience behind me to know when they are trying to rip me off.

on the topic of the cheapest, young good looking girls in se asia, i have found vientiane to be the best value. 20usd lt no probs. give it a try if pp isn't for you.i can vouch for your vientiane comment, well at least in regards to freelancers. the karaoke rate is higher because of the customers that go to those types of places. if you got to bor pen yang or any of the 2 or 3 popular night clubs you can easily grab a girl for 100, 000-250, 000kip with about 140, 000 kip being what i generally paid the girls i really liked on my last trip. on my first trip i got pretty much raped because many of the girls do try to charge prices close to their thai neighbors because of the number of guys on visa runs, in fact it is not out of the ordinary for many of the women to tell you a price in baht.

i don't recall anyone in cambodia every mentioning a thai price to me but it does seem possible that they would know the prices in thailand. i say this because for whatever reason many men seem to think it is okay to tell the women what they pay for sex in different countries. i once saw a guy tell a khmer girl that he was glad he came to cambodia because he was going broke paying thai chicks 1500 baht for st. anzac's statement about the animosity / inferiority complex is also true. tell a cambodian chick she looks chinese and she will probably love you for life. tell the wrong thai chick she looks cambodian and she might try to fight you over it.

DingoD
09-19-12, 12:59
On a short holiday and a few months back I posted a question on here about taking two Khmer girls out for a threesome, always targeted Le Cycree as the sure fire place that I could get lucky! Even though I was told here by other regular PP mongers that only the Viets were into it here is what I found.

Walked in about 11 pm and was absolutely swamped by about five girls- there looked to be close to 20 to choose from so I guess it was a slow night? Ended up weeding a few of the uglies away and was left with 2 girls who went by the names of Annie and Anat. Both Khmer with standard tight fit bodies for 23 or 24 year olds. There were all over me, hands and tongues everywhere-then the talk of threesome came up and the girls gave me a sneak preview on the bar of what would be on show, inside panty playing with each other and tits out the top of the dress and nipple sucking! It was pretty hot and by this time I was ready to get then across the street to the shitty guesthouse. Damage was $20 per girl plus the bf, one beer and the $5 for the room. The fun in the room was very good- the girl on girl stuff was pretty good, I mean, I know these girls aren't really into it other than for the money but I was wanting a Khmer threesome and I got it do no complaints. In Sihanouville at the moment, heady back to PP tomorrow and if I can get away from the missus again think I might head back to Le Cycree for sure.

Leftfield1965
09-21-12, 08:47
Just read on a Khmer expat forum that apparently the infamous Sophie's bar has re-opened.

Same location as before, it's had a bit of a makeover upstairs.

Can any PP residents confirm this rumour?

Joyra
09-21-12, 10:34
It was pretty hot and by this time I was ready to get then across the street to the shitty guesthouse. Damage was $20 per girl plus the bf, one beer and the $5 for the room.Hi,

Can you bar fine these girls to take them to the hotel when you stay?

Cheers!

DingoD
09-21-12, 10:57
Yes you can bar fine and take back to your own hotel-obviously you need to know that your hotel is girl friendly and additionally make sure they are multi-girl friendly!

Happy hunting!


Hi,

Can you bar fine these girls to take them to the hotel when you stay?

Cheers!

AussieGuy100
09-21-12, 12:02
Hi,

Can you bar fine these girls to take them to the hotel when you stay?

Cheers!Yes. Just make sure they bring their identity cards as some look very young. Probably about $20-30 all night. Plus the $7 LT barfine and $3 lady drink. Some of the more popular girls may not want long time as they can make more with two or three short times in a night.

El Greco
09-21-12, 19:06
On a short holiday and a few months back I posted a question on here about taking two Khmer girls out for a threesome, always targeted Le Cycree as the sure fire place that I could get lucky! Even though I was told here by other regular PP mongers that only the Viets were into it here is what I found.I can confirm that too. My wing man did it 2-3 times last May from the same bar and identical prices. All times with the same girls because he liked their performance a lot. Don't know if we are talking for the same girs of your experience though.

El Greco
09-21-12, 19:12
Just read on a Khmer expat forum that apparently the infamous Sophie's bar has re-opened.

Same location as before, it's had a bit of a makeover upstairs.

Can any PP residents confirm this rumour?That's good news. I hope it turns out to be true.

DingoD
09-21-12, 22:26
That's good news. I hope it turns out to be true.And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.

By the way, if anyone wants some fun bars names on 104 I can provide names after a fuckibg fun night out with some local PP mates tonight?

Cheers

Scorchin1470
09-22-12, 07:14
And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.

By the way, if anyone wants some fun bars names on 104 I can provide names after a fuckibg fun night out with some local PP mates tonight?This posts highlights two points:

1. The value of any post to all punters lies in having the detail. The address of any recommended place should always be given plus directions if helpful; and

2. There are a lot of one-liner comments lacking substance. Of course details of fun bar names would be useful, particularly as I will be in PP next month.

Hope you had a great evening.

Leftfield1965
09-22-12, 07:35
And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.If the info I read is correct Sophies should be on the corner of St 118 and St 53. (1 block north of the Central Market)

BrainDrain
09-22-12, 08:43
Interested stuff regarding pricing and more in Cambo bars:

"Dr Heidi Hoefinger completed seven years of research on the hostess bar scene in Phnom Penh from 2003-2010. She received her PhD in Media Communications and Social Science form Goldmiths, University of London. She is the author of the upcoming book Sex, Love and Money in Cambodia (Routledge. 2013).I would be willing to take on that kind of research. But wouldn't be the same response for a man to do it.

Joyra
09-22-12, 09:09
Yes you can bar fine and take back to your own hotel-obviously you need to know that your hotel is girl friendly and additionally make sure they are multi-girl friendly!

Happy hunting!Hi, Thanks a lot. The hotel where I stay do not check any I'd nor are they bothered about the number of girls you take in into your room!

Cheers!

Joyra
09-22-12, 09:16
Yes. Just make sure they bring their identity cards as some look very young. Probably about $20-30 all night. Plus the $7 LT barfine and $3 lady drink. Some of the more popular girls may not want long time as they can make more with two or three short times in a night.Hi AG,

Thanks a lot. Had Viet girls earlier for 3some but would like to experience Khmers this time. Are you still in PP?

Cheers!

AussieGuy100
09-22-12, 09:41
Hi AG,

Thanks a lot. Had Viet girls earlier for 3some but would like to experience Khmers this time. Are you still in PP?

Cheers!Yes, I live in PP.

Yes Khmer threesomes are available. Easiest to arrange at Cyrcee bar, but some girls in most bars will go as a threesome. However they generally don't like to do girl-on-girl action.

AussieGuy100
09-22-12, 10:04
Hi, Thanks a lot. The hotel where I stay do not check any I'd nor are they bothered about the number of girls you take in into your room!

Cheers!It's not so much the hotel that's the worry, it's the police. These days there are some NGO's constantly on the lookout for foreigners with young looking girls or boys with them, as part of the drive to get rid of child sex tourists. If you are seen in a tuk tuk, or entering a hotel, with a very young girl there is a small chance you will be followed and reported to the police. Some hotel staff may report you as well.

Joyra
09-22-12, 14:07
It's not so much the hotel that's the worry, it's the police. These days there are some NGO's constantly on the lookout for foreigners with young looking girls or boys with them, as part of the drive to get rid of child sex tourists. If you are seen in a tuk tuk, or entering a hotel, with a very young girl there is a small chance you will be followed and reported to the police. Some hotel staff may report you as well.Hi AG,

Thanks for suggestion.

I got your point. Usually, I stay away from very young girls as I know some of my friends who got in into problems earlier.

What I was referring to was about taking multiple girls to the room. The hotel where I stay they are least bothered about the number of girls you take to your room.

Cheers!

El Greco
09-22-12, 16:53
And to save me walking around like a lost clown what is the location? Sophie's from what I know had been closed well before (4+ years) since I have been coming to PP.Any tuk-tuk driver knows the exact location. That's how I first went there on a rainy evening for the price of one USD.

Pak Mike
09-22-12, 23:03
That's good news. I hope it turns out to be true.Well, we all wait with earger anticipation for the first report on the newly reopened Sophies! Have had many a good session at this fine establishment in its previous form, lets hope not too much has changed.

Loso69
10-02-12, 09:27
Is the Cardamom hotel girl friendly? Well, it is & it isn't. On the one hand, guests are welcome as long as you sign a document stating that you are responsible for any damage caused by the girl. On the other hand, they have a Child Safe policy, and require the girls to leave their ID at reception. The problem is that many PP girls either don't have an ID or don't carry their ID. Last night, my 22 yo cutie was refused entry because she didn't bring her ID. Needless to say, I was pissed off!

In short, avoid the Cardamom!

Loso

Hobbyist2
10-02-12, 23:00
The problem is that many PP girls either don't have an I'd or don't carry their I'd. Last night, my 22 yo cutie was refused entry because she didn't bring her I'd. Needless to say, I was pissed off!

In short, avoid the Cardamom!

LosoThanks for posting that info. I always ask the hotel about their guest policy before I book a room. In this case it wouldn't have done any good. The fact that many of the ladies there don't have and or don't carry ID scares me. I am planning a trip there during my next Thai trip. It would have to be very obvious beyond any doubt that the lady was over 18 before I would even think of taking her without ID. My understanding is that they count their birthdays different. If she says she is 20, she is actually 19. I think I read that on another forum by guys who live there.

Loso69
10-03-12, 08:47
Few PP hotels require girls to show their ID, which explains why many PP girls can't be bothered to carry their ID, even if they have one.

A girl's age is solely determined by the year, not by the precise date. It's as if everyone was born on Jan 1. LOL If a girl was born in 1991, she'll say her age is 21. If she was born before Oct 3 (today) , she really is 21. If she was born after Oct 3, she's actually only 20 according to Western rules.

BTW, the DOB on Cambodian IDs is in Khmer script, so unless you can read Khmer, seeing her ID won't help you to determine her age!

Yesterday's girl had to borrow her friend's ID to get into the Cardamom. At least, I got to bang her bones. Will be changing hotels tomorrow!

Loso

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10-03-12, 09:01
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Thomaszh
10-06-12, 05:46
I'm in Phnom Penh from the 15th Oct. For about a week or ten days. Anyone else there? I like to join up with other member of the forum and organize a few parties. Taking three or four girls to the hotel and have our fun together. Anyone interessted? Just give me a note. By the way. I'm 35, normal figur, educated.

Frankfurter
10-07-12, 23:14
Does any of you guys living in PP have intel about Sakura Massage / Hotel? Their site is down for "maintenance" now for too long, I like to book a room and like to know what's going on. Much appreciated. PMs are very welcome.

Titanio
10-08-12, 22:41
Does any of you guys living in PP have intel about Sakura Massage / Hotel? Their site is down for "maintenance" now for too long, I like to book a room and like to know what's going on. Much appreciated. PMs are very welcome.I don't like the hotel as such, but the massage is 12 dollars on hour. Rest to be negociated with the girl. Go 4-5PM and at 2nd floor about 20 to 25 girls show up to choose from. Girl will quote you 35 dollar, but I think early afternoon you will get it down for FS to 20 dollar. Act like a local expat!

Jvdairlie
10-09-12, 10:00
Does any of you guys living in PP have intel about Sakura Massage / Hotel? Their site is down for "maintenance" now for too long, I like to book a room and like to know what's going on. Much appreciated. PMs are very welcome.I checked on Agoda and that site advises the hotel is not taking any bookings at the moment. Maybe it is closed for renovations or whatever.

OiOiOi
10-09-12, 11:57
Hi,

For the people staying in PP. SInce it will be Pchum Ben, will the city be quiet, bar closed and not much choice or is it still worth to go over the weekend?

Member #4200
10-14-12, 10:21
Was at 104 last night. All the bars were emptier than normal and some of them will close starting today. Others, such as Air Force and Rose Bar, will stay open. Lot of restaurants already closed today.


Hi,

For the people staying in PP. SInce it will be Pchum Ben, will the city be quiet, bar closed and not much choice or is it still worth to go over the weekend?

Uzinuzin
10-17-12, 12:01
It's not so much the hotel that's the worry, it's the police. These days there are some NGO's constantly on the lookout for foreigners with young looking girls or boys with them, as part of the drive to get rid of child sex tourists. If you are seen in a tuk tuk, or entering a hotel, with a very young girl there is a small chance you will be followed and reported to the police. Some hotel staff may report you as well.I was just browsing the forums for a few days visa run from Thailand and trying to pick a place to go, PP looked interesting until I saw this post!"Young Looking"! Some 20 year old Asian girls look totally young for their age, without seeing their I'd you can not possibly tell their age, does that mean you get reported to the police by people guessing!

I do hope guys in illegal activities get reported but how often does this get mixed up and get regular mongers into trouble? This put me off PP a bit, you guys are not bothered?

Scorchin1470
10-17-12, 13:43
i was just browsing the forums for a few days visa run from thailand and trying to pick a place to go, pp looked interesting until i saw this post!"young looking"! some 20 year old asian girls look totally young for their age, without seeing their i'd you can not possibly tell their age, does that mean you get reported to the police by people guessing!

i do hope guys in illegal activities get reported but how often does this get mixed up and get regular mongers into trouble? this put me off pp a bit, you guys are not bothered?there is an urban myth (sometimes unfortunately substantiated by ignorant posts) that all tourists are chasing **** wgs and that the police are hand-in-hand with ngos to trap visitors seeking young women. there is little hard evidence to support these claims.

most punters are careful; most if wgs come to their hotels have the staff check ids (and if ids are not available. no mongering.

just make certain that you are careful and you will have no problems. unless you area peadophile in which case 20 years in a cambodian jail is too short a sentence.

AussieGuy100
10-17-12, 14:58
I was just browsing the forums for a few days visa run from Thailand and trying to pick a place to go, PP looked interesting until I saw this post!"Young Looking"! Some 20 year old Asian girls look totally young for their age, without seeing their I'd you can not possibly tell their age, does that mean you get reported to the police by people guessing!

I do hope guys in illegal activities get reported but how often does this get mixed up and get regular mongers into trouble? This put me off PP a bit, you guys are not bothered?No this is not a particular problem here. Regular mongers need not worry. Most Asian girls look younger for their age than western girls anyway, I think. It may only be an issue if you like REALLY young looking girls and you go for freelancers rather than girls from the hostess bars. The hostess bar owners are generally very careful that they don't employ under-age girls and insist on the girls having identity cards.

So don't get put off visiting Phnom Penh for a few days, you'll have a great time.

Loso69
10-18-12, 01:23
Roaming around the FL spots (Sorya, WA, Pontoon & Heart) for 12 days, I never spotted a single girl who looked as if she may be too young. Don't be paranoid! You'll only meet "young girls" if you explicitly go looking for them.

Uzinuzin
10-18-12, 14:09
Thanks for the replies. I will book my flight and start reading the forum for a suitably located hotel. As a first timer in PP and generally hate using transport I would look for a place near the main hang-outs and in walking distance. Cheers. (I leave Phili for next time. It was a toss between the two)

Scorchin1470
10-18-12, 14:41
Thanks for the replies. I will book my flight and start reading the forum for a suitably located hotel. As a first timer in PP and generally hate using transport I would look for a place near the main hang-outs and in walking distance. Cheers. (I leave Phili for next time. It was a toss between the two)Depends what you want to pay. There area lot of cheap hotels.

However the Bougainvillier on the Quay is very pleasant and has rooms overlooking the Tonle Sep and the Mekong.

Loso69
10-18-12, 23:20
When I asked the girls for a hotel recommendation, the reply was unanimous: Blue Tongue (girl-friendly; no ID required). Non-smoking hotel, so not suitable for me.

http://www.bluetonguecafe.com/

Loso

Loso69
10-18-12, 23:35
Out of the 16 girls (all freelancers; all Khmer) I banged in PP, 2 had designer stubble, while all others had a bushy pussy. If anyone's looking to open a business in PP, I suggest a waxing salon. LOL

Bkk Rookie
10-19-12, 07:07
Depends what you want to pay. There area lot of cheap hotels.

However the Bougainvillier on the Quay is very pleasant and has rooms overlooking the Tonle Sep and the Mekong.The Bougainvillier is decidely, openly, universally NOT girl friendly. You check-in, they have a sign. You close your door in the room, the have a sign. You try to bring a girl in. They point you to the sign.

Red Kilt
10-19-12, 08:41
When I asked the girls for a hotel recommendation, the reply was unanimous: Blue Tongue (girl-friendly; no I'd required). Non-smoking hotel, so not suitable for me.

http://www.bluetonguecafe.com/

LosoWebsite looks wonderful.

I especially like the "No Smoking" bit.

Thanks for the heads-up Loso

AZN Monger
10-19-12, 20:10
Anyone been here before? Is it still open? How is the service?

AussieGuy100
10-20-12, 05:30
Anyone been here before? Is it still open? How is the service?No it is not open. Closed some years ago. It's the type of bar best suited to Thailand. Cambodia's bars are now more conservative. No nudity, no blow jobs in the bars, very limited dancing on bartops, no obligation for the girls to be barfined. But Phnom Penh has the charm of a smaller city. And some of the girls are very hot indeed, with reasonable prices. Typically, short time $10-$30, all night $20-$50.

Wendella
10-20-12, 08:12
No it is not open. Closed some years ago.Most of us (including the guy who asked this question, I think) know it closed a few years ago, but recently in this thread it was reported that it was reopening or had reopened. I think that's what this guy is really asking about. See below:

Just read on a Khmer expat forum that apparently the infamous Sophie's bar has re-opened.

Same location as before, it's had a bit of a makeover upstairs.

Can any PP residents confirm this rumour?

AnonX69
10-20-12, 17:46
ello peeps, ty to all the vet mongers for the posts and informative experiences.

i want to ask about money matters. i will traveling to pp in feb for 2 weeks and was wondering? should i bring cash with me or use the atm. i've been reading a lot of posts saying us dollar is preferred. do the atm dispense dollars or riels? i first traveled to cambodia right after highschool back in 99 as a poor backpacker so i never did any mongering, because i was living off $5 / day budget. no money no honey. doh. i brought money with me but hid it in my belt where i made a slit on the inside and stuff it with cash.

so, should i bring dollars or use atm or both. oh, can anyone can recommend a good mobile sim company? i will be arriving in the late eve so the kiosks at the airport will prob be closed.

Pak Mike
10-20-12, 22:35
ello peeps, ty to all the vet mongers for the posts and informative experiences.

i want to ask about money matters. i will traveling to pp in feb for 2 weeks and was wondering? should i bring cash with me or use the atm. i've been reading a lot of posts saying us dollar is preferred. do the atm dispense dollars or riels? i first traveled to cambodia right after highschool back in 99 as a poor backpacker so i never did any mongering, because i was living off $5 / day budget. no money no honey. doh. i brought money with me but hid it in my belt where i made a slit on the inside and stuff it with cash.

so, should i bring dollars or use atm or both. oh, can anyone can recommend a good mobile sim company? i will be arriving in the late eve so the kiosks at the airport will prob be closed.my usual practice is to bring a small wad of notes ($us) and use the atms (they are everywhere) which dispense us$. my preference is the anz atms.

AnonX69
10-21-12, 03:39
Out of the 16 girls (all freelancers; all Khmer) I banged in PP, 2 had designer stubble, while all others had a bushy pussy. If anyone's looking to open a business in PP, I suggest a waxing salon. LOLGuess I don't need to bring dental floss when I go. /scratches dental floss off my "things to bring list". Go eat dinner, go eat bushy tails, complimentary flossing thrown in.

Channy
10-21-12, 11:21
there is an urban myth (sometimes unfortunately substantiated by ignorant posts) that all tourists are chasing **** wgs and that the police are hand-in-hand with ngos to trap visitors seeking young women. there is little hard evidence to support these claims.the urban myth started wih km11, where all barang was designed as peadophile, despite it was just a minority (but a true minority, some asshole ever shooted movie with kids, largely avalaible on vcd near psar market)

peadophile didn t chase where all the tourist chase. and yes ngo chase some targeted barang, they need results to get their donation and justified their high wages.


most punters are careful; most if wgs come to their hotels have the staff check ids (and if ids are not available. no mongering.cmon scorching plenty short time hotel from 5000 riels will never asked you anything, and don t care about how old is the girl, they care ever less if she is viet.


just make certain that you are careful and you will have no problems. unless you area peadophile in which case 20 years in a cambodian jail is too short a sentence.good advice and yes 20 years is clearly too short.

Ossie
10-23-12, 01:20
Hi guys,

I'm starting to plan my trip to PP and iv read about golden house hotel and californer2 but in everything iv read it does not say if there guest friendly, so can 1 of you guys who lives there or have stayed in 1 of the hotels please let me know if there guest friendly, thanks and hope to meet some of you in person soon.

AussieGuy100
10-23-12, 12:51
Hi guys,

I'm starting to plan my trip to PP and iv read about golden house hotel and californer2 but in everything iv read it does not say if there guest friendly, so can 1 of you guys who lives there or have stayed in 1 of the hotels please let me know if there guest friendly, thanks and hope to meet some of you in person soon.I don't know the golden house hotel, but California 2 is definitely girl-friendly. Just rather a long 'walk of shame' past the cute bar staff (some of whom are also available after their shifts) and the bar patrons. I've strolled in with two girls on a couple of occasions with no hassles whatsoever. Great place. 24 hour bar and food. Nice rooms, though most without windows. It's also a very short walk to the Street 104 bars.

Finkel60
10-24-12, 13:03
Out of the 16 girls (all freelancers; all Khmer) I banged in PP, 2 had designer stubble, while all others had a bushy pussy. If anyone's looking to open a business in PP, I suggest a waxing salon. LOLJust some facts, price at the moment is from 30. 40dol + barfine 7-10dol, one month salary at the fabric in about 71 dol / month, so the girls made more then half monthly salary in one our short time, ofcourse girls choise to be freelancers instead of normal work, so mongers keep the prices low.

Rocksoff
10-24-12, 14:17
I say this because for whatever reason many men seem to think it is okay to tell the women what they pay for sex in different countries. I once saw a guy tell a Khmer girl that he was glad he came to Cambodia because he was going broke paying Thai chicks 1500 baht for ST.Some wise words here.

Hard to think with both heads at the same time. I'll tell prices strategically, e. G. To let a girl know she's getting a good deal relative to another place I might go if I pleased.

Booby Boob
10-25-12, 05:04
Been in PP a few days now and reading the forum for the best places to go for girls. Went looking for the notorious Sophie's at 118 & 53 but couldn't find it. If it has indeed reopened, it's definitely not around there. Instead, I went to the nearby Cathouse, on the corner of 118 & 51, where I spent several hours with hanging out and buying drinks for one of the girls. Not super attractive, but cute. They don't barfine at Cathouse, so I had to wait until closing time (midnight) to take her out. But when it came time to talk prices, she wouldn't budge below $100! She said something about how 1 ticket was $100 and that I could pay for multiple tickets. I was expecting something more in the $25-$40 range so I tried negotiating, but she just wouldn't have it. I felt like we had a pretty good rapport, so I'm a little shocked. What's going on here? Anyone else have a similar experience?

Booby Boob
10-25-12, 05:05
Been in PP a few days now and reading the forum for the best places to go for girls. Went looking for the notorious Sophie's at 118 & 53 but couldn't find it. If it has indeed reopened, it's definitely not around there. Instead, I went to the nearby Cathouse, on the corner of 118 & 51, where I spent several hours with hanging out and buying drinks for one of the girls. Not super attractive, but cute. They don't barfine at Cathouse, so I had to wait until closing time (midnight) to take her out. But when it came time to talk prices, she wouldn't budge below $100! She said something about how 1 ticket was $100 and that I could pay for multiple tickets. I was expecting something more in the $25-$40 range so I tried negotiating, but she just wouldn't have it. I felt like we had a pretty good rapport, so I'm a little shocked. What's going on here? Anyone else have a similar experience?

-The Boob

AussieGuy100
10-25-12, 11:08
Been in PP a few days now and reading the forum for the best places to go for girls. Went looking for the notorious Sophie's at 118 & 53 but couldn't find it. If it has indeed reopened, it's definitely not around there. Instead, I went to the nearby Cathouse, on the corner of 118 & 51, where I spent several hours with hanging out and buying drinks for one of the girls. Not super attractive, but cute. They don't barfine at Cathouse, so I had to wait until closing time (midnight) to take her out. But when it came time to talk prices, she wouldn't budge below $100! She said something about how 1 ticket was $100 and that I could pay for multiple tickets. I was expecting something more in the $25-$40 range so I tried negotiating, but she just wouldn't have it. I felt like we had a pretty good rapport, so I'm a little shocked. What's going on here? Anyone else have a similar experience?

-The BoobI've only been to the Cathouse once and I know it's not a typical Phnom Penh hostess bar, being more along the lines of a Philippines style place. But when I went, there were the girls behind the bar (who were available but at the end of their shift, same as some of the riverside restaurants that have super cute waitresses).

But there were also girls on the outside of the bartop, same as in the standard style hostess bar. And these girls were available to go immediately.

A couple of suggestions. If you like a girl, find out early on a) if and when she will go out with you, and be) what her price will be. Be totally upfront and say "I like you a lot. I want to take you out for an hour. $30. (or $40 for the night or whatever your offer is). Or you can ask what her price is, though that will leave you less on control of the negotiations. But do all this BEFORE you have bought her several drinks. That way you don't feel disappointed and possibly angry when you've invested a lot of time and money in her only to get quoted a ridiculous price.

If you want a raw experience rather like Sophie's bar, go to Cyrcee bar on Street 49 near junction of Street 130. Nice girls who just want to fuck you for $15-20 for an hour with no hassles and reasonable enthusiasm. Or the Sorya Golden Mall on St 51 for a wide range of freelancers. For a more girlfriend type experience any of the popular hostess bars are good. Airforce, Rose bar, Smile Girl bar and Zanzi bar on St 104, Mr Butterfly, Barbados, Oasis, and 136 on or near St 130.

And for the last time... Sophie's is shut. No more. Kaput. Deceased. Full stop. Try Bangkok's several blow job bars if that's your particular thing.

GreenBud
10-25-12, 16:38
iv read about golden house hotel and californer2 but in everything iv read it does not say if there guest friendly, so can 1 of you guys who lives there or have stayed in 1 of the hotels please let me know if there guest friendly,The Golden House International Hotel is definitely girl friendly. It is in the heart of Street 136.

Not sure how many girls you can take up to your room for free. I've only taken 3...:)

Booby Boob
10-26-12, 07:29
I've only been to the Cathouse once and I know it's not a typical Phnom Penh hostess bar, being more along the lines of a Philippines style place. But when I went, there were the girls behind the bar (who were available but at the end of their shift, same as some of the riverside restaurants that have super cute waitresses).

But there were also girls on the outside of the bartop, same as in the standard style hostess bar. And these girls were available to go immediately.

A couple of suggestions. If you like a girl, find out early on a) if and when she will go out with you, and be) what her price will be. Be totally upfront and say "I like you a lot. I want to take you out for an hour. $30. (or $40 for the night or whatever your offer is). Or you can ask what her price is, though that will leave you less on control of the negotiations. But do all this BEFORE you have bought her several drinks. That way you don't feel disappointed and possibly angry when you've invested a lot of time and money in her only to get quoted a ridiculous price.

If you want a raw experience rather like Sophie's bar, go to Cyrcee bar on Street 49 near junction of Street 130. Nice girls who just want to fuck you for $15-20 for an hour with no hassles and reasonable enthusiasm. Or the Sorya Golden Mall on St 51 for a wide range of freelancers. For a more girlfriend type experience any of the popular hostess bars are good. Airforce, Rose bar, Smile Girl bar and Zanzi bar on St 104, Mr Butterfly, Barbados, Oasis, and 136 on or near St 130.

And for the last time. Sophie's is shut. No more. Kaput. Deceased. Full stop. Try Bangkok's several blow job bars if that's your particular thing.Thanks for the insightful advice, Aussie. And thanks for the H-bar recommendations as well. Really great info for a PP first-timer.

I don't usually mind buying girls a few drinks even if they don't go home with me. Any thoughts, though, on how to be diplomatic when multiple girl are swarming around you but you're only interested in one of them? Sometimes I don't like the hostess who's been first "assigned" to me, but it seems kind of rude to obviously blow her off for one of her "sisters."

I did make it to a couple of the bars you mentioned. Cyrcee is amazing (report forthcoming) but at most of the other places, none of the girls I liked would leave with me. These were usually the ones working behind the bar who would come out and sit with me when I expressed interest. The girls already on my side of the bar were all nice enough, but I felt like the real lookers were few and far between. Cyrcee of course being the great exception.

I'd only sought out Sophie's because I was having such a frustrating time at the regular hostess bars. Too bad I'm leaving PP today, otherwise I'd hit up a couple of your other recs. Thanks again.

The Boob

Ossie
10-27-12, 06:48
The Golden House International Hotel is definitely girl friendly. It is in the heart of Street 136.

Not sure how many girls you can take up to your room for free. I've only taken 3.At least we know where all the girls are now, if there not in the bars, there in your room.

CamJaya
10-27-12, 07:27
My First post guys.

I note Aussie guy mentions available super cute waitresses at riverside restaurants.

I lived in PP for a few years in the early 2000s, and did quite well with riverside waitresses. One in particular was Na, who worked at the bar across the road from FCC, and later moved to the restaurant in FCC. It took a lot of time, but the effort eventually paid off.

Planning a return to PP next month and am wondering which riverside restaurants now have the super hot waitresses that might be available for an after-work get together. Anybody care to share any experiences?

Smily59
10-29-12, 09:21
Pnomh Penh Monger Map.

I'm in PNH till 4. Oct and having stayed in Bali before enjoyed Barris Map.

So I prepared something similar for PNH just to figure out where the hotel should be.

Since this is my first time there the map is admittedly not as elaborated as Barris and the comments are copied from forum post sorry did not credit the posters because it was created for personal use in the first place, but now I think it might especially be useful for firsttimers. Here is the link if Jackson agrees to publish it:

https://maps.google.de/maps/ms?msid=209061563983417653699.0004c4a0d49fbb3eda6c7&msa=0

If there is any problen using, please report.

My first night easily scored without much barhopping no hostess and can not barfine bullshit. Pretty 25 year old. 3 month in business and price up to me. She said it's quiet, so maybe a buyers market. Nevertheless treat them nice and fair, but be firm.

Have fun s

Blu8096
10-29-12, 18:56
Smily59.

That is a fantastic post, I Thank you!

I will be there in early 2013 and your post is a great help, really nice work.

Thank you.

Easton
10-30-12, 02:09
Has anyone had any success with the waitresses that work at the Riverside Bistro? I have eaten there a few times and have always thought they were super cute, but never thought about trying to shag one.

Booby Boob
10-30-12, 06:53
Awesome map, Smily. It'll be super helpful next time I'm back there. I'm really liking how members on this thread are so straightforward and willing to share their info. For what it's worth, here's my report from my first time mongering in PP. Being new to the city, I know I paid way too much in some cases, and I apologize in advance for contributing to any price increases you guys face in the future. Feel free to critique and let me know what I should have done / paid so I will be prepared for my next trip to PP.

Thank you all and happy hunting.

The Boob.

DAYS 1 & 2: Hostess Bars (St. 104 / Candy Bar / Butterfly / Blue / Cathouse.)

Spent my first few days unsuccessfully trying to take out bartenders. Not knowing the ways things work, I just assumed everyone was available. I tend to like the more innocent-looking girls (usually the bartenders as opposed to the WGs) , but I found that a lot of them really are innocent (or expensive). Big surprise. Took a cute 20yo bartender out to dinner on my first night (with a $10 barfine) , but she wouldn't go home with me because she said she was a virgin. So after going home [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drunk and alone 2 nights in a row, I began to wonder if I was the only person in PP not getting laid.

Frustrated and horny, I was determined to get laid, whatever the cost on Day 3.

DAY 3: FL on riverside.

Walked past a pub on my way home from lunch and saw a pretty Khmer girl inside smiling at me. Went in, chit-chatted, bought her a drink. Moum says she used to be a masseuse in Siem Reap and was going back there the next day. I knew she was a WG and found it weird how she and the regular restaurant staff all seemed to get along so well. Compared to Vietnam, this is more like the bars in Danang than the hostess bars in Ho Chi Minh.

Took Moum back to my hotel with no discussion of price (big mistake). Along the way the tuk-tuk guys all smiled and talked to her, so I knew she was familiar in these parts. Back in the room, she wouldn't take off her bra, saying that she was saving her tits for a real bf."Boom-boom ok," she says.

Weirdest thing-as I'm banging her she tells me to stop thrusting because she doesn't want me to cum too soon. So I'm on top of her motionless and she starts gyrating her hips from below. This is surprisingly hot and awesome. After a while, she cums. But then after that, she just lies there, totally dead and uninterested while I get myself off. This is sort of lame.

She hangs out for a bit before asking how much I'm going to pay her. Thanks to one of AussieGuy's previous posts, I know a high-end short time is about $30, and I tell her so."I won't accept," she says. After that, we start arguing and I get pretty annoyed. I end up paying her $40 with $2 for tuk-tuk just so she'll leave.

DAY 3: Bars on lower 51 (WA, Shanghai, HoD)

WA is full of WGs that aren't really my type. I end up spending way too much time at Shanghai with a 19yo cutie, knowing from the start that she won't go home with me. I don't mind too much as I sort of like the company. HoD is dead (at 9pm on a Thursday night?) and when I leave, motorbike driver offers to take me to some sort of deal where I look in a window and choose girls. I agree to go out of curiousity.

DAY 3: Soul Golden City

Is a new hotel in the southern part of the city. There's KTV there too, but motorbike guy tells me not to go because it's expensive (much like VN I imagine). Instead, on the top floor, as soon as you get out of the elevator, there's this huge window that looks into a room filled with women-about 20-30 of them, sitting on risers. You point to the girl you like, and a lady walks over and holds up an LED light with the girl's number on it, and the girl comes out. $15 gets you a room and a massage. End up choosing a Viet girl who tells me it's another $50 for sex. Not knowing the rules here, I talk her down to $40.

DAY 3: Cyrcee

I'm dead tired and pretty wasted from the day's adventures, but my curiosity drives me to Cyrcee. Within 5 minutes after walking into the joint, I realize that this is exactly the place I have been looking for the entire time. I'm swarmed by girls and their leader tells me to choose two. I choose one standing next to me and a shy-looking girl sitting towards the back, and buy them drinks. They're kissing me and grabbing my junk as we drink. They offer me a 3-some, but I'm so fatigued that I don't know if I'll be able to pull it off. Finally I give in. $10 barfine for both, $25 apiece is the agreed upon price.

We tuk-tuk back to my hotel and what then proceeds is one of the most amazing sexual experiences in my life. I've had 3-somes before, but neither I nor the girls I was with back then really knew what we were doing. Not so with these girls. They were amazing. Two hot Khmer chicks showering in my room? Check. Great chemistry among everyone involved? Check. DFK with one girl while the other gives you a BBBJ. And then switching? Check. DFK, mutual nipple sucking while the other one rides? Check. Girl-on-girl while I'm banging the one from behind. Oh my God CHECK!

Total damage, exactly what was stated. They hit me up for a few extra bucks to pay the tuk-tuk. Instead, I give them a little more because they were so awesome. Don't want to say how much for fear of drawing the ire of other forum members.

DAY 4: Independent mini-brothel?

I wake up still horny from the experiences of the night before. So for my last morning in PP, I have a tuk-tuk kid in front of my hotel find me some $15 boom-boom. We drive north up Sisowath Quay (the big street along the river). First place he stops is some sort of garage or something where a bunch of dudes are squatting on the ground. He tells me to wait while he goes to inquire. He comes back a few minutes later to report that it's "not available." We continue north. I notice a girl with nice legs, sitting idly in front of a house / shop. So does my driver. He stops and goes to ask. A few minutes later, he's motioning for me to come over.

There are 4-5 girls to choose from. They're running some sort of drink stand / store front operation, but the girls are pretty much just sitting there doing nothing. I choose an older girl (mid 30s) that keeps smiling at me (maybe a 6/10) and make sure that her price is still $15. After that, we head to one of the tiny, Spartan rooms in the back and fuck. It's an extra $5 for nyum-nyum (BBBJ) she tells me after we're both naked in bed. At first there's some miscommunication and I think that she wants me to pay her up-front. After a little back-and-forth, I take $20 out of my wallet and plan to give it to her, but she says it's ok. Love that Khmer honesty! After that, we're cool. Pretty straightforward banging-BBBJ, multiple positions. The girl is nice and there's a little chemistry, but it's certainly no GFE. Total damage $20 plus $5 (with tip) for the tuk-tuk.

I re-consider checking out of my hotel to stay an extra day just to go back to Cyrcee. But I realize that a man needs to know when to stop and save a little for the next time. Until then.

AussieGuy100
10-30-12, 10:47
Has anyone had any success with the waitresses that work at the Riverside Bistro? I have eaten there a few times and have always thought they were super cute, but never thought about trying to shag one.The Riverside Bistro waitresses are well known to expats in Phnom Penh. Their goals are to get a foreigner boyfriend and / or be paid quite a lot of money for sex. They are 'grey girls'. Girls doing a normal job but open to all sorts of offers from short one-week affairs to full girlfriend status. But you have to work on them a bit, you can't just ask them 'how much for one hour? '

That means taking them out to eat after their shift, maybe taking them to Pontoon dancing and maybe going shopping with them to Central market to buy a dress or new jeans for them. After that, you can ask if they'd like to go back to your hotel. Expect to pay $50+ a night plus all the above costs.

Their ultimate goal is to have a foreign boyfriend supporting them to the tune of $300-500 a month. Lots of them achieve this. And some run two or even three boyfriends at once. And they continue to work at the Bistro often.

Riverstar
10-30-12, 10:51
My First post guys.

I note Aussie guy mentions available super cute waitresses at riverside restaurants.

I lived in PP for a few years in the early 2000s, and did quite well with riverside waitresses. One in particular was Na, who worked at the bar across the road from FCC, and later moved to the restaurant in FCC. It took a lot of time, but the effort eventually paid off.

Planning a return to PP next month and am wondering which riverside restaurants now have the super hot waitresses that might be available for an after-work get together. Anybody care to share any experiences?I agree with you I spent two years working in Phnom Penh and still visit for four months every year and I was surprised how many waitresses were willing if you gave it timeI would also chase some of the woman who managed various bars they are older than the waitresses and will try to palm you of with one of their girls but if you give it time and strike lucky you will have some great fucks and often free of charge.

Mr Enternational
10-31-12, 03:54
HoD is dead (at 9pm on a Thursday night?)How many discos on this planet do you know that aren't dead at 9pm? You probably don't want to get there before midnight or you will be the only one there.

Booby Boob
10-31-12, 18:32
How many discos on this planet do you know that aren't dead at 9pm? You probably don't want to get there before midnight or you will be the only one there.Good point. My only defense is that I didn't realize it was a disco. Seeing how empty it was at the time, it just looked to me like any old chill, somewhat swanky bar. I'll try to get there later if I go next time. How's Pontoon for finding girls? To be honest, I'm not really big on the discotheques-call me old-fashioned, but if Cambodia is at all like Vietnam, then my ears will be ringing and my throat hoarse for days.

Loso69
10-31-12, 18:41
Talking about riverside waitresses, I met one in the Heart who already had a barang boyfriend. But the boyfriend was out of town, and while the cat's away, the mice will play. She was licking the sweat off my chest as we were dancing. As soon as we were in the room, she pulled my pants down, pushed me down on the bed, and started sucking my sclhong. I hadn't even showered. LOL She was downright amazing! After spending the weekend with me, she told me her boyfriend was coming back, and I wouldn't be seeing her again. And I didn't. Money matters weren't discussed in advance. She was happy with 30$ LT.

BTW, the Heart is good from 1AM onwards.

Loso

Deebin5
11-01-12, 12:01
Is the Candy Bar guest house a suitable place to stay? It's only $13.

Clean? Girl friendly? Etc?

Titanio
11-01-12, 23:38
Is the Candy Bar guest house a suitable place to stay? It's only $13.

Clean? Girl friendly? Etc?Girl friendly. What do you think? But my advise is never monger and sleep at the same place. You limit your options. BG's at Candy Bar and any other bar / GH) don't like competition when you return with your pick-up for the night. There are many better options in the area for a few dollars more. And moreover, a hotel like Circuit or any other in Street 154 works so much better as you are not contineous in the middle of the bar scene. Just visit when you like. Everthing is just a one minute motobike ride away from you, or on walking distance.

Mr Enternational
11-02-12, 02:36
How's Pontoon for finding girls? To be honest, I'm not really big on the discotheques-call me old-fashioned, but if Cambodia is at all like Vietnam, then my ears will be ringing and my throat hoarse for days.If that is the case then you really don't want to go to Pontoon. You can add head spinning to the list as well because of the flashing lights. I'm a disco guy, but I walked in and walked right out of that place.

Easton
11-04-12, 07:17
Thanks to AussieGuy100, Riverstar and Loso69 for the information concerning the Riverside Bistro waitresses, I appreciate it.

Joe Looking
11-04-12, 22:59
The Riverside Bistro waitresses are well known to expats in Phnom Penh. Their goals are to get a foreigner boyfriend and / or be paid quite a lot of money for sex. They are 'grey girls'. Girls doing a normal job but open to all sorts of offers from short one-week affairs to full girlfriend status. But you have to work on them a bit, you can't just ask them 'how much for one hour? '

That means taking them out to eat after their shift, maybe taking them to Pontoon dancing and maybe going shopping with them to Central market to buy a dress or new jeans for them. After that, you can ask if they'd like to go back to your hotel. Expect to pay $50+ a night plus all the above costs.

Their ultimate goal is to have a foreign boyfriend supporting them to the tune of $300-500 a month. Lots of them achieve this. And some run two or even three boyfriends at once. And they continue to work at the Bistro often.Wow, $50 is really steep compared to the cost of p4p in Cambodia. I will offer some advice for guys looking to sleep with regular girls. Keep the first date simple if you are willing to wait a few dates to sleep with her. This means taking them for a soda or a simple meal somewhere they would normally eat. In my experience from similar countries, this really helps to separate the decent ones from the ones who hop from foreigner to foreigner looking for cash, gifts and good times. If you do want to buy them jeans, dresses and so forth from the market then it is usually best to go to the market with them for 5 or so minutes, tell them that you forgot you need to meet a friend and then leave them $10-20 and tell them to buy something to wear that night. If you stick around, there is a good chance that you will spend the entire time with her trying to get you to buy everything that catches her eye.

IMO if you want the girl who goes with any foreigner with a pulse and some cash then the price of p4p is a lot better and you experience will be better in most cases as well. Leave the expensive serial foreigner fuckers for the young guys "who never pay."

Titanio
11-04-12, 23:20
In Phnom Penh I am still looking for a decent (lounge) bar out of the P4P business where I can take a girl after having paid the BF and taking here out of the bar. Pontoon is not really my piece of cake. Who has any ideas?

Riverstar
11-05-12, 08:17
In Phnom Penh I am still looking for a decent (lounge) bar out of the P4P business where I can take a girl after having paid the BF and taking here out of the bar. Pontoon is not really my piece of cake. Who has any ideas?Riverhouse Lounge

Riverstar
11-06-12, 09:31
Thanks to AussieGuy100, Riverstar and Loso69 for the information concerning the Riverside Bistro waitresses, I appreciate it.I did have a strange experience with a waitress from Sharky's a few years ago. I had been chasing her for some time and had met for lunch a few times and eventually she agreed to let me take her out on her evening off and at the end of the evening agreed to come back to my apartment and stay the night. It started fine with a kiss and cuddle and a little fondling followed by a shower together then I got down the the serious business giving my tongue some exercise which she loved returning the favour. I made her cum and then thinking it was time for me to dip my wick reached for a condom in my bedside drawer and that's when she kicked off she snatched the packet and throwing it across the room accused me of treating her like a taxi girl and asking why I wanted to use a condom and saying she was not like the girls in the bar she was a good girl and I didn't need to use a condom with her.

Needless to say I never consummated that relationship and after that she totally ignored me

Sammon
11-06-12, 16:11
I did have a strange experience with a waitress from Sharky's a few years ago. I had been chasing her for some time and had met for lunch a few times and eventually she agreed to let me take her out on her evening off and at the end of the evening agreed to come back to my apartment and stay the night. It started fine with a kiss and cuddle and a little fondling followed by a shower together then I got down the the serious business giving my tongue some exercise which she loved returning the favour. I made her cum and then thinking it was time for me to dip my wick reached for a condom in my bedside drawer and that's when she kicked off she snatched the packet and throwing it across the room accused me of treating her like a taxi girl and asking why I wanted to use a condom and saying she was not like the girls in the bar she was a good girl and I didn't need to use a condom with her.

Needless to say I never consummated that relationship and after that she totally ignored meHappens quite a bit in Phi and Thailand. But in Cambodia all the girls I had did not complain about using condoms. In China once they are with you for a while accept no condoms.

Titanio
11-06-12, 23:30
Happens quite a bit in Phi and Thailand. But in Cambodia all the girls I had did not complain about using condoms. In China once they are with you for a while accept no condoms.LOL! Current Thai GF started to ask me questions, after a few days being together for a longer period, why I had a whole box of condoms with me. Now already a few year together she sometimes still refers to that. Must be still suspicious.

YG365
11-09-12, 11:48
Popped into the 69 Bar the other night. A LOT of girls, and I think something for everyone. Linked up with a young gal fresh from the provinces and first night on the job. The usual story, a young baby back in the provinces, deserted by her husband etc.

Sharky's Friday night had quite a good band playing, but not overly crowded which I found surprising and the place seemed to empty out as the night went on. A few gals hanging around, but generally pickings were quite slim.

Had a meal at the Shanghi, and as usual a bevy of young lasses to keep you company, and most quite nice.

Have dropped into a few spas around town, mostly upmarket, for a massage. Quite good aromatherapy massages, can be very arousing, but unfortunately nothing else on offer. Would love to find a lace where I can actually get a good quality massage, plus a few extras, but haven't had any luck to-date.Could you recommend any other bars or places to hook up with girls other than 69 Bar? This whole country is new to me. I sure could use a beginners guide to figure out where to start from scratch LOL.

YG

Pak Mike
11-09-12, 22:50
Could you recommend any other bars or places to hook up with girls other than 69 Bar? This whole country is new to me. I sure could use a beginners guide to figure out where to start from scratch LOL.

YGI have a soft spot for the Golden Vine Bar (intersection of St 108 and St 51). Usually 10+ girls of various shapes, sizes and looks and all friendly but language may be a challenge. Mix of Viets & locals. They will indulge in a bit of discrete foreplay at the bar and are not pushy about being taken out so it does give one a bit of time to make a good choice. Have met a couple of real hotties over the years.

YG365
11-10-12, 03:26
Sup Pak Mike,

So far from all my research, it sounds like Phnom Penh aka PP is a total shit hole and it sounds worst off then the Philippines? I really didn't think a country in Asia could be worst than the Philippines but in my head, PP looks it LOL. I love the fact that the pricing is very very cheap and the girls look more oriental compared to the Philippines. Also figured I need to hit up Pontoon and Cyrcee and now Golden Vine Bar.

If any other senior members would like to put in their 2 cents, I'd appreciate it. Also a good value hotel near all the action would be dope too! I'm now debating hard between Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh for my next trip with me never visiting any of those 3 countries yet. I've pretty much done the rest of Asia except for Indonesia.

Thanks,

YG

AussieGuy100
11-10-12, 07:06
Could you recommend any other bars or places to hook up with girls other than 69 Bar? This whole country is new to me. I sure could use a beginners guide to figure out where to start from scratch LOL.

YGThen how about taking the time to look over the ten most recent pages of this forum? You will find many recommended bars, and even an excellent map of central Phnom Penh complete with comments on dozens of bars. There is also a lot of information on prices you can expect to pay, negotiating strategies, girl-friendly hotels, and a short list of useful khmer phrases (e.g. Neak nyum k'dor tay?. "Do you do blow jobs?").

Ossie
11-10-12, 09:35
Then how about taking the time to look over the ten most recent pages of this forum? You will find many recommended bars, and even an excellent map of central Phnom Penh complete with comments on dozens of bars. There is also a lot of information on prices you can expect to pay, negotiating strategies, girl-friendly hotels, and a short list of useful khmer phrases (e.g. Neak nyum k'dor tay?. "Do you do blow jobs?").Do you want me to swollow as well hehehehe

Max Vox
11-10-12, 09:37
Apologies for posting this in the PP thread but there have no responses are I'm hoping some of the Cambodian veterans can help me out.

I'm going to be heading to Bavet for some poker in a week and was wondering what the mongering scene was out there? I've RTFF (Other Areas) but there doesn't seem to be any information about this place. Its my first time here so places to see, current prices and any other detailed info about Bavet would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

YG365
11-10-12, 11:01
Then how about taking the time to look over the ten most recent pages of this forum? You will find many recommended bars, and even an excellent map of central Phnom Penh complete with comments on dozens of bars. There is also a lot of information on prices you can expect to pay, negotiating strategies, girl-friendly hotels, and a short list of useful khmer phrases (e.g. Neak nyum k'dor tay?. "Do you do blow jobs?").If you paid attention and read our conversation, you can clearly see that I was doing RTFF's! I'm guessing you just looked at the most recent post and assumed I didn't do any? That's the problem with the world now days. They talk or act before they think! [Deleted by Admin]

YG

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Mr Enternational
11-10-12, 16:51
Phnom Penh...I love the fact that... the girls look more oriental compared to the Philippines.Just curious as to what you mean by the females looking more "oriental" in Cambodia than those in PI?

Sammon
11-10-12, 17:10
Sup Pak Mike,

So far from all my research, it sounds like Phnom Penh aka PP is a total shit hole and it sounds worst off then the Philippines? I really didn't think a country in Asia could be worst than the Philippines but in my head, PP looks it LOL. I love the fact that the pricing is very very cheap and the girls look more oriental compared to the Philippines. Also figured I need to hit up Pontoon and Cyrcee and now Golden Vine Bar.

If any other senior members would like to put in their 2 cents, I'd appreciate it. Also a good value hotel near all the action would be dope too! I'm now debating hard between Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur and Phnom Penh for my next trip with me never visiting any of those 3 countries yet. I've pretty much done the rest of Asia except for Indonesia.

Thanks,

YGCambodia girls are very GFE same as in Phil. Ofcourse girls generally have bigger boobs than Phi girls. But do not take the risk of fucking them without a condom. For some reason STD are prevalent in Cambodia.

Ofcourse the girls insist as well. Hotels, food, girls, drinks are very cheap. Travel or hiring a taxi etc are cheap as well. Road from Phnom Penh to Sihanaoukville is excellent. Road to Siem reap is ok in some places but they are rebuiding it. I am sure once it is completed it will be nice.

Siem reap and Sihanaoukville are not really mongering destinations. There are girls but not the same as Phnom Penh.

Once you go there either you fall in love with Cambodia or hate it and will never go there again.

For me I like Cambo girls.

AussieGuy100
11-11-12, 00:32
If you paid attention and read our conversation, you can clearly see that I was doing RTFF's! I'm guessing you just looked at the most recent post and assumed I didn't do any? That's the problem with the world now days. They talk or act before they think! [Deleted by Admin]

YGApologies if you have been doing lots of research in this forum already (and yes I originally only looked back a few pages to try to find your conversation) , but as I say the last ten or so pages have a wealth of information including that great mongers' map.

Apart from all the recommended bars, girl-friendly hotels, prices and general advice available there, what other information in particular were you after?

If you just want instantly available sex with beautiful asian girls at cheap to reasonable prices, head for Pattaya or Bangkok. There sex is very much a business. But I find Thailand too hard-edged and got tired of everyone trying to extract as much money from me as possible.

As for PP being a "shithole", that largely depends on your attitude and expectations. Yes it's a fairly dirty city compared to Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia, and the infrastructure and health care are many years behind most of Asia.

PP is definitely different. The hostess bar girls are not obliged to go out with you, and 10-30% of girls in the bars won't let you barfine them. Sometimes they want you to come in two or three times before they say yes. To me that's part of the fun, with you and the girl getting to know each other a bit before she agrees to go with you.

Of course there are also the freelancers at Walkabout, Sharkeys, Martini, and the Golden Sorya Mall and Cyrcee bar if you want cheaper, no fuss sex.

So for me PP offers a bit of everything, but admittedly not on the scale of the sex industry on Thailand. Horses for courses, as always.

YG365
11-11-12, 04:17
Apologies if you have been doing lots of research in this forum already (and yes I originally only looked back a few pages to try to find your conversation) , but as I say the last ten or so pages have a wealth of information including that great mongers' map.

Apart from all the recommended bars, girl-friendly hotels, prices and general advice available there, what other information in particular were you after?

If you just want instantly available sex with beautiful asian girls at cheap to reasonable prices, head for Pattaya or Bangkok. There sex is very much a business. But I find Thailand too hard-edged and got tired of everyone trying to extract as much money from me as possible.

As for PP being a "shithole", that largely depends on your attitude and expectations. Yes it's a fairly dirty city compared to Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia, and the infrastructure and health care are many years behind most of Asia.

PP is definitely different. The hostess bar girls are not obliged to go out with you, and 10-30% of girls in the bars won't let you barfine them. Sometimes they want you to come in two or three times before they say yes. To me that's part of the fun, with you and the girl getting to know each other a bit before she agrees to go with you.

Of course there are also the freelancers at Walkabout, Sharkeys, Martini, and the Golden Sorya Mall and Cyrcee bar if you want cheaper, no fuss sex.

So for me PP offers a bit of everything, but admittedly not on the scale of the sex industry on Thailand. Horses for courses, as always.Hey,

I'm sorry being rude. These forums have been so negative lately, I just took your comments in a very negatively way. Thanks for your helpful reply and I'm looking forward to PP. I also found the map that you were talking about. It's just that it's pretty tough covering hundreds and hundreds of pages.

Thanks again,

YG

Scorchin1470
11-11-12, 06:27
Waiting to fill in time before sampling the night clubs I paid a brief visit to Walkabout.

Regrettably it seems to be a place for expatriate losers and lousy FLs. Jist be patient and await the evening.

Titanio
11-11-12, 23:54
Waiting to fill in time before sampling the night clubs I paid a brief visit to Walkabout.

Regrettably it seems to be a place for expatriate losers and lousy FLs. Jist be patient and await the evening.It is not that bad. I agree that you will see some former expat characters over there. But quite often you can meet very lovely Viets or just sit, have your drink and see the world goes by without any hassle. And if you don't like, hop on one block to one of the bars in the Soriya Mall. PC Hotel also has a nice bar, but devastated at anytime. The Black Cat will also do, and all without any hassle from the girls, if you prefer that. But there are many more options around that area.

Punk Boulala
11-12-12, 05:42
I've come to Cambodia about 13 times over the past 8 years. However, my last visit was two years ago. I was reluctant to come because I figured the glory days were over and prices must be higher. Having been back for over two days, I'm pleasantly surprised. Prices for hotels haven't changed, beer is cheaper and there are way more places to drink. The quality of the women hasn't changed, but admittedly, I'm slightly over paying at the moment. That s the result of coming from a more expensive country. I'll calm down soon. In short, even though I had a not so good experience with a Vietnam from Martini's last night, I can put my full support behind recommending Cambodia as a great place for value.

Scorchin1470
11-12-12, 12:47
somewhere way back is a post saying that the bouganvillier is not gf.

bollocks.

i e-mailed them way back and have an e-mail reply saying that the hotel is gf;

there was only one notice, in the room, basically saying 'no **** ladies; and.

the day i checked out a guest came downstairs to reception with two working girls. he went to breakfast after reception had checked all was ok and gave the girls their ids back.

pity inaccurate information is posted by those who do not check.

Bkk Rookie
11-13-12, 13:27
somewhere way back is a post saying that the bouganvillier is not gf.

bollocks.

i e-mailed them way back and have an e-mail reply saying that the hotel is gf;

there was only one notice, in the room, basically saying 'no **** ladies; and.

the day i checked out a guest came downstairs to reception with two working girls. he went to breakfast after reception had checked all was ok and gave the girls their ids back.

pity inaccurate information is posted by those who do not check.i've stayed there. i've seen girls turned away who were clearly not ****. i've inquired at the front desk and have been told no guests.

pity some can't understand that different front desk workers can give different results. it is not at all uncommon in kh to have discordant policy enforcement.

JesseJames
11-13-12, 17:35
Waiting to fill in time before sampling the night clubs I paid a brief visit to Walkabout.

Regrettably it seems to be a place for expatriate losers and lousy FLs. Jist be patient and await the evening.The expat losers must have stunk out the place with their filthy clothes and matted hair and beards. Drunken stinking bums. PP is full of expat losers, best for you to stay with the tourists and NGOs.

Bule2004
11-14-12, 04:28
i've stayed there. i've seen girls turned away who were clearly not ****. i've inquired at the front desk and have been told no guests.

pity some can't understand that different front desk workers can give different results. it is not at all uncommon in kh to have discordant policy enforcement.i stayed at the bouganville for a week in mid-august 2012. the key to having guests in your room is to speak to the front desk when you check in. they use this opportunity to charge an additional fee, so it is a minor scam to extract extra money. i paid a nominal amount and had no difficulty having guests visit me.

bule2004

Growtek
11-14-12, 05:16
For some reason STD are prevalent in Cambodia.


The expat losers must have stunk out the place with their filthy clothes and matted hair and beards.

Plus

Non-condom wearing Cambodian customers.

Doesn't take Scooby-Doo to figure out this "mystery".

D Cups
11-14-12, 09:49
Just curious as to what you mean by the females looking more "oriental" in Cambodia than those in PI?PI women probably have more Spanish blood than Cambodians. There are beauties and big boobs in every country if one looks hard enough. I love them all!

Ossie
11-21-12, 07:16
I'm planning to be in PP in may, maybe you guys can help me out, is it a busy time there then as iv read you should book a hotel early. I'm looking at staying at 1 of 3 places for the first 5 days I'm there, california2, curcuit, or golded house, which 1 would you say is the best 1 for a first time visitor to PP, or can you recomend a better place.

Leftfield1965
11-22-12, 04:47
I'm planning to be in PP in may, maybe you guys can help me out, is it a busy time there then as iv read you should book a hotel early. I'm looking at staying at 1 of 3 places for the first 5 days I'm there, california2, curcuit, or golded house, which 1 would you say is the best 1 for a first time visitor to PP, or can you recomend a better place.You'll have to book early for Cali2 as it seems to be very popular.

Never stayed at Circuit but have stayed at Bolina Palace next door a few times. The street it's on (st 154) is very noisy day and night so If you value some peace and quiet don't stay there.

Never stayed at Golden House so can't comment.

Last time I was in PP I stayed at the Comfort Star 2 hotel. It's a Khmer run place on st 200 just off Pasteur (3/4 minute walk to Walkabout / Sorya Golden Mall / Heart etc). Decent rooms with good showers & beds and most importantly for me, it's on a quiet street which can be very hard to find in PP. $18 a night if you book through their website.

Good luck.

Rick Rock
11-22-12, 10:44
If you value some peace and quiet don't stay there.If you value some peace and quiet don't visit Phnom Penh.

Scorchin1470
11-22-12, 10:48
If you value some peace and quiet don't visit Phnom Penh.Not a very useful negative comment about Phnom Penh. And for which could be substituted the names of a dozen cities in south east Asia.

Much of Phnom Penh is delightful quiet and relaxed. And of course the hostess bars and the hotels nearby are noisy.

But don't condemn Phnom Penh with a cheap throw away line.

Leftfield1965
11-22-12, 12:02
If you value some peace and quiet don't visit Phnom Penh.Too true.

I'm just pointing out that while it's difficult to find a decent place in a quiet area it's not impossible.

Getting 3/4 hours sleep per night because of traffic noise in the morning gets to me after a few days, so I prefer to stay in an area where I can sleep in a bit.

JesseJames
11-22-12, 16:04
Too true.

I'm just pointing out that while it's difficult to find a decent place in a quiet area it's not impossible.

Getting 3/4 hours sleep per night because of traffic noise in the morning gets to me after a few days, so I prefer to stay in an area where I can sleep in a bit.You're right. I stayed at a riverfront hotel and the motorbikes, cars, buses, trucks blowing their horns started at 5 ayem. That road is a highway. After a couple of days, I couldn't take it. Having a view of the river and all that was nice but the noise was horrific and I couldn't sleep thru it.

PolyOrchid
11-22-12, 22:05
There are beauties and big boobs in every country if one looks hard enough. I love them all!D Cups, I am happy you find the big boobs your name indicates you like. But Asia is heaven for us itty-bitty-titty lovers!

Rick Rock
11-23-12, 07:37
Getting 3/4 hours sleep per night because of traffic noise in the morning gets to me after a few days, so I prefer to stay in an area where I can sleep in a bit.Yeah, me too. That's why I avoid PP.

Scorchin1470
11-23-12, 12:12
Yeah, me too. That's why I avoid PP.It is a sweeping generalisation to say that, as you suggest others should avoid Phnom Penh because of traffic noise. FFS, there are plenty of hotels away from Sisowath

Quay and other main streets where traffic noise is minimal. And many so-called noisy hotels have rooms on the back side.

It is a pity that some complain unjustifiably about so-called 'sleep deprivation' due to traffic noise unless you are used to living in a desert.

Rick Rock
11-24-12, 02:46
It is a sweeping generalisation to say that, as you suggest others should avoid Phnom Penh because of traffic noise. FFS, there are plenty of hotels away from Sisowath

Quay and other main streets where traffic noise is minimal. And many so-called noisy hotels have rooms on the back side.

It is a pity that some complain unjustifiably about so-called 'sleep deprivation' due to traffic noise unless you are used to living in a desert.I'm from New York bro.

I didn't say Phnom Penh should be avoided at all costs. Some people like it. Some people even like the urban centers of India (!). But if you dislike extremely loud noise on a consistent basis, or if you're a light sleeper who needs rest, then you should look elsewhere.

Leftfield1965
11-24-12, 03:25
It is a sweeping generalisation to say that, as you suggest others should avoid Phnom Penh because of traffic noise. FFS, there are plenty of hotels away from Sisowath

Quay and other main streets where traffic noise is minimal. And many so-called noisy hotels have rooms on the back side.

It is a pity that some complain unjustifiably about so-called 'sleep deprivation' due to traffic noise unless you are used to living in a desert.You're a bit touchy there.

Anyone who's ever been to PP and says it's not a noisy city is deluded.

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 1/2 years. I keep changing hotels because of the noise of traffic, weddings, funerals, karaoke joints, sales people with their 1000 watt speaker setups, etc.

Complaining about sleep deprivation in PP is not unjust. It is what it is, a noisy Asian city.

Scorchin1470
11-25-12, 10:36
I'm from New York bro.

I didn't say Phnom Penh should be avoided at all costs. Some people like it. Some people even like the urban centers of India (!). But if you dislike extremely loud noise on a consistent basis, or if you're a light sleeper who needs rest, then you should look elsewhere.Qte Yeah, me too. That's why I avoid PP. Unqte.

So what do we believe.

Scorchin1470
11-25-12, 10:39
You're a bit touchy there.

Anyone who's ever been to PP and says it's not a noisy city is deluded.

I've been to PP over 20 times in the last 3 1/2 years. I keep changing hotels because of the noise of traffic, weddings, funerals, karaoke joints, sales people with their 1000 watt speaker setups, etc. Complaining about sleep deprivation in PP is not unjust. It is what it is, a noisy Asian city.I am not at all touchy. Just feel I am dealing with a bunch of wimps who cannot stand a bit of urban noise. Get your bar fine to sit on your face and you will soon find quiet.

Scorchin1470
11-25-12, 10:43
In Phnom Penh and as I expected after two massages I can say that a HJ is pretty well guaranteed. In one case after a 'balls massage' which rivaled the celebrated Rin in Bangkok.

Damn and after 40 minutes of erotic stimulation, I can't find the place again of Sisowath Quay.

Rick Rock
11-25-12, 13:39
On to something a little more productive, has anyone ever gotten any extras at Sakura massage on 130, about a block or two from the riverside? I stopped there twice when I was in PP, got a $5 body massage (had to wear satin pajamas, WTF, but it was a great Thai massage) and another time for a $7 oil massage (fully nude, a lot of playfulness and she even grabbed my dong a few times and made jokes, but refused to jack me off)?

I figured it was just a legit spot after my two visits but since then guys on other forums have said they got the firm hand shake to end the massage. I'm wondering if they're bullshitting or I simply couldn't get any action.

I did get a nice rub and tug at the massage shop across the street from Cyrcee.

Titanio
11-25-12, 23:50
On to something a little more productive, has anyone ever gotten any extras at Sakura massage on 130, about a block or two from the riverside? I stopped there twice when I was in PP, got a $5 body massage (had to wear satin pajamas, WTF, but it was a great Thai massage) and another time for a $7 oil massage (fully nude, a lot of playfulness and she even grabbed my dong a few times and made jokes, but refused to jack me off)?

I figured it was just a legit spot after my two visits but since then guys on other forums have said they got the firm hand shake to end the massage. I'm wondering if they're bullshitting or I simply couldn't get any action.

I did get a nice rub and tug at the massage shop across the street from Cyrcee.If the one opposite Cyrcee is the hairsalon, that is a dump, no clean sheets, very crampy and I walked away from there after 10 minutes. At Sakura I have been a number of times. It is OK with very friendly girls but I can hardly believe that anything more than massage is on offer at Sakura. I just do not believe it.

Scorchin1470
11-26-12, 14:49
The Rex Hotel has a fish bowl on the first floor with ladies in blue polos (Cambodian) and pink polos (Vietnamese). At about 2pm there were perhaps 15. 20 girls in the fish bowl.

(50:50 Cambodian / Vietnamese). Massage US$10. 00 in a small room for an hour.

I made a mistake and picked a more mature Cambodian lady who rushed through the massage in 20 minutes with no teasing to encourage further investment and with a towel covering

The 'essential bits'. After the 20 minutes she suggested boom boom at US$ 100. 00 and was palpably unhappy when I reached for my clothes to get dressed. I was happy to 'lose'

US$10. 00 on a short (but quite good for a rushed) massage and get out. By this time little willy had lost all enthusiasm and we concluded with a little more massage.

No doubt boom boom is available here. I hope you pick better ladies who don't ask stupid* prices.

* I don't mind negotiating down from a sensible starting point but I get pissed off when the ladies take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).

Rick Rock
11-27-12, 03:17
If the one opposite Cyrcee is the hairsalon, that is a dump, no clean sheets, very crampy and I walked away from there after 10 minutes. At Sakura I have been a number of times. It is OK with very friendly girls but I can hardly believe that anything more than massage is on offer at Sakura. I just do not believe it.I would have said that too, especially with the thin walls. But when I went for the oil massage the girl clearly grabbed my cock a few times and smiled and laughed. She asked me why it didn't "wake up" (I think that's why I didn't get HE). At the end I specifically asked "no massage here?" She took off the towel and gave it like 2-3 tugs then laughed and said "finished!"

Rick Rock
11-27-12, 03:19
The Rex Hotel has a fish bowl on the first floor with ladies in blue polos (Cambodian) and pink polos (Vietnamese). At about 2pm there were perhaps 15. 20 girls in the fish bowl.

(50:50 Cambodian / Vietnamese). Massage US$10. 00 in a small room for an hour.

I made a mistake and picked a more mature Cambodian lady who rushed through the massage in 20 minutes with no teasing to encourage further investment and with a towel covering

The 'essential bits'. After the 20 minutes she suggested boom boom at US$ 100. 00 and was palpably unhappy when I reached for my clothes to get dressed. I was happy to 'lose'

US$10. 00 on a short (but quite good for a rushed) massage and get out. By this time little willy had lost all enthusiasm and we concluded with a little more massage.

No doubt boom boom is available here. I hope you pick better ladies who don't ask stupid* prices.

* I don't mind negotiating down from a sensible starting point but I get pissed off when the ladies take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).Shit like this is why Cambodia sucks for mongering. Unless you take a $10 freelance crack addict grandmother from Walkabout, you're going to get prices like this. Sure they'll usually come down, but WTF. I get FS for less than $100 from gorgeous women in Korea. I sure as fuck ain't paying that in a 3rd world backwater where people split $40 a month rent ten ways.

AussieGuy100
11-27-12, 12:35
Shit like this is why Cambodia sucks for mongering. Unless you take a $10 freelance crack addict grandmother from Walkabout, you're going to get prices like this. Sure they'll usually come down, but WTF. I get FS for less than $100 from gorgeous women in Korea. I sure as fuck ain't paying that in a 3rd world backwater where people split $40 a month rent ten ways.Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.

Even nearly $100 for a massage and sex with a 'gorgeous Korean woman' sounds expensive to me. Why bother? Why not pay $8 for a really good one hour oil massage in one of Phnom Penh's better massage places, then head for Airforce or another decent hostess bar and take out a beautiful girl for $45-50 short time, including barfine. Total cost $53-58.

And please don't start on the 'mongering in PP costs a fortune' theme. Sure it's not the cheapest place. If you you want cheap go to the Caribbean or Africa etc. But I find the Khmer girls usually friendly, enthusiastic in bed and reasonably priced. Having been in PP eight months now, I far prefer it to Thailand or the Philippines.

Simian
11-27-12, 16:48
Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.

Even nearly $100 for a massage and sex with a 'gorgeous Korean woman' sounds expensive to me. Why bother? Why not pay $8 for a really good one hour oil massage in one of Phnom Penh's better massage places, then head for Airforce or another decent hostess bar and take out a beautiful girl for $45-50 short time, including barfine. Total cost $53-58.The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar even though her attitude in the bar could change once they got to his hotel.

The massage scene prevails because certain mongerers like to keep their hobby within a controlled environment and may have an investment in their community which would be harmed if they were seen openly cavorting in a bar and then walking to a hotel or taking a taxi with a girl in tow. THat is why many Thais just do not get the Falang appetite for the girlie bar with take-out.

I used to like the bar scene years ago and I thought that an older gent that I met back then was mad when he told me that he was exclusively a consumer of massages with FS. Now I am that guy. Why? Because I have lived in Asia too long, have gotten older and know most of the conversations and the routine that follows an encounter in a bar. I also have an investment in certain communities in Asia where I work. I do not want to get the reputation of being the tasteless one who drags a trashy P4P girl around with him. So I do the Asian thing of keeping it under wraps. But back in the day when I used to come to Asia for vacation only it was different.

THat said, whenever I get the chance to break out in a city where I don't work and there is no connection that would rat me out, the I happily pick up a freelancer who looks promising I go for it. But most of the time I stick with the massage FS (or an oldfashioned brothel like Sophie / Le Cirque in PP) as it is less obvious what I am doing. I am really tired of the bargirls that overcharge, turn LT into ST, suddenly appear to have the time of the month, suddenly adjust the price / tip upwards, raid the drinks cabinet and cost me a fortune, steal (including hotel stuff which I get charged for) , do the starfish, have a serious odour problem down below, fill me with tales of woe, won't leave when it is all done in the morning and have to be ejected, wear clothes and behave in such a way that the whole hotel knows what I am doing, take phone calls while doing it and much else.

AussieGuy100
11-27-12, 18:02
The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar..........Excellent post.

AussieGuy100
11-28-12, 01:28
You can retain anonanymity by getting the phone number of your favourite bargirl, and phoning her to arrange to come and see you, either in your hotel or in a short time hotel during the day, before she goes to work in her bar. That way you avoid the bar scene and save on the barfine, as well as getting a known quantity in terms of the quality of the sex.

Rick Rock
11-28-12, 02:55
Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.I see someone has never been to a Korean Anma, Japanese Soapy, or. Especially. A Macau Spa.

But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.

When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.

Rick Rock
11-28-12, 03:01
The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar even though her attitude in the bar could change once they got to his hotel.

THat said, whenever I get the chance to break out in a city where I don't work and there is no connection that would rat me out, the I happily pick up a freelancer who looks promising I go for it. But most of the time I stick with the massage FS (or an oldfashioned brothel like Sophie / Le Cirque in PP) as it is less obvious what I am doing. I am really tired of the bargirls that overcharge, turn LT into ST, suddenly appear to have the time of the month, suddenly adjust the price / tip upwards, raid the drinks cabinet and cost me a fortune, steal (including hotel stuff which I get charged for) , do the starfish, have a serious odour problem down below, fill me with tales of woe, won't leave when it is all done in the morning and have to be ejected, wear clothes and behave in such a way that the whole hotel knows what I am doing, take phone calls while doing it and much else.Right on the money guy.

AussieGuy100
11-28-12, 06:41
I see someone has never been to a Korean Anma, Japanese Soapy, or. Especially. A Macau Spa.

But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.

When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.Yawn. Is this tirade ever going to stop? We get that you don't like the sex scene in PP. We get that you can't understand why the girls are asking so much when their rent is so low (even though I explained a more realistic financial picture in a subsequent post).

Yes I should have said that my massage joint commente were based on my Cambodian and Thai experiences, rather than masage places workdwide. I stand corrected.

So choose to monger elsewhere. But there are still thousands of mongers who enjoy the quirky sex scene here in PP. Yes, girls can ask crazy prices, but I laugh and either bargain them down or go somewhere else. There are plenty of bargains to be had in bars, freelance joints, restaurants, riverside, parks, some massage places etc. To each his own.

How about a positive post telling us about a recent mothering experience of yours that you enjoyed?

Here's to years more great mongering.

Rick Rock
11-28-12, 06:56
How about a positive post telling us about a recent mothering experience of yours that you enjoyed?I've made dozens very recently. Check Tokyo, Seoul, Pattaya, AC, HK, HCMC. None in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

Why does the discussion go on? Because outside of one or two posters who seem to have some steak in defending the place (probably made the unfortunate choice to live there, or worse still get married to a local and her extensive family) most of the posts come from people complaining about the insane prices and terrible service they're getting. Forgive me for agreeing with them. This place is called INTERNATIONAL sex guide, so people are going to make comparisons and recommendations.

Whenever someone makes a post with an inquiry they rarely get a response. Anything critical is quickly addressed though. WTF. YMMV.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit?

Rick Rock
11-28-12, 07:00
In Phnom Penh and as I expected after two massages I can say that a HJ is pretty well guaranteed. In one case after a 'balls massage' which rivaled the celebrated Rin in Bangkok.

Damn and after 40 minutes of erotic stimulation, I can't find the place again of Sisowath Quay.How about letting us know where you got the massages?

AussieGuy100
11-28-12, 10:55
I've made dozens very recently. Check Tokyo, Seoul, Pattaya, AC, HK, HCMC. None in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit?Apologies Rick, I only read the PP forum, so missed your other posts.

Send me a PM if / when you arrive in PP and want to go out and hopefully have a better experience than you've had so far!

Scorchin1470
11-28-12, 11:31
in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit? I hope that you spend time if you get sent to work there to find a little more time for research to get a more rationale view of an excellent mongering place.

You are h=just based because you have failed there.

Tungsten2
11-29-12, 01:42
I've never been to Cambodia but have the chance to spend a few days either side of Christmas baby-sitting the offce in PP. Workwise, I t should be a doddle but wondering if the city will be a ghost town or in full-on party mode?

Rick Rock
11-29-12, 02:12
LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.

Knight 1001
11-29-12, 14:42
LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.So sorry to hear about all this negativeness of your stay here. Its my third visit but truly only the second for mongering and actually I prefer it to vietnam which I abandoned this trip to come back here. You should have taken up the offer of Aussieguy100 for advice as he is not only a very nice gentleman but also very knowledgeable and helpful about the scene here, willing to share gladly.

But I am feeling that you have just rejected Cambodia all together, throwing away the baby with the water. Too bad. If I may, either seek help and open up or just leave and never come back. However, what I can tell you is that should you choose the first option, it should be quite rewarding.

I guess you must not be used to walking a lot in busy asian cities. I do a lot of walking especially here as its as flat as a pancake here, from street 184 down to 240, back to 108 and back again to 174. And never had a problem. Of course you have to be extra careful, but it can be done. Actually, I had more risks of being hit by cars in europe crossing the streets than here with all the motorbikes and cars.

As for sleeping well. Why don't you try the bluetongue cafe and hotel on street 174 right next to the Walkabout? In that street and just a bit further there are other nice hotels too and very quiet. Turn around on street 63 and you will find yet other nice hotels as well. But you need to walk hahahaha. Let me know if you want the names and streets numbers.

It is quite normal all over asia that girls ask for ridiculous amounts in the first place. It does not mean that its what they will not not accept less. Negotiation is part of the life and always expected, if not wanted actually. In some countries you will in fact not be respected if you don't bargain.

Having said that, and to try to help with my modest knowledge of this country still new to me, you should try Panda massage at the corner of streets 240 and 55 I believe. I had FS there for 25 bucks the first day I arrived thanks to info found here. I think. Sorry but I had just arrived and was horny as hell hehehe. You can refuse the first girl they send you and ask for another one that is what I did when they sent a fat cow.) , just like anywhere in south east asia, until you get someone you like, if they have enough girls of course. The manager there is vietnamese but she does not have any viet girls, all Cambodian.

You should probably try the Paris hotel massage as well as a massage place just off street 63 on street 252 at number 28R, called 252 massage karaoke, its right next to a big signed karaoke. Viet girls have red tag and Cambodians have bue tags (or maybe the other way round. You'll see anyways). I have not tried it, yet, just walked up to have a look. They had at least 30 girls in the fishbowl.

Hope you will enjoy Phnom penh a bit more. If not, Ho Chi Minh is only at 6 hours bus ride and 10 to 13 USD for that.

Cheers

Rick Rock
11-29-12, 15:32
Thanks for the tips. I'm going to have to try something if I get sent over there (I swear this is fate punishing me, Cambodia is the ONE place in Asia I absolutely did not like).

For me, HCMC isn't a great place either. I wouldn't go there for mongering, that's for sure. Still the BJ barber shops aren't bad. If it was in the US I'd probably like it a lot more. But when you're this close to Thailand, Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Macau and Singapore, both countries are just absolutely [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor.

About the prices: I know literally hundreds of places throughout Asia where the girls don't ask as much as I was quoted in PP, even if just initially, and every one of those countries is richer and more expensive generally. That's the main thing that pissed me off. For years I kept hearing about $5 short times, all this other shit. The reality was much different. Maybe a crack head that hasn't washed in a week from Sorya Mall will go with you for $5. That's about it. Disgusting pigs with 3 kids in the bars wanting $50 is a real turn off, especially when you just spent a month divided between Angeles City and Pattaya banging 18-21 year olds for a lot less. I was also more than a bit put off by the fact that half of the guys I saw in the bars and freelance places looked worse than the crackhead hookers. It really looks to me like a city where Western people go to die.

About the streets: the only place worse for walking that I've seen anywhere in the world was HCMC. I've been to something like 85 countries. I really do like to walk, I do it everywhere. It's just totally uncomfortable in PP, like much else. I mean, a city of 2. 5 million people without even a bus system tells you a lot.

When compared to what else is available in the world, it's just an absolutely dreadful place. I feel deeply sorry for anyone who thinks this is something good. It's like the old Koreans who sleep on the floor their whole lives and think it's the best. You know if they just slept in a bed they'd love it and see what shit sleeping on the ground was.

Rick Rock
11-29-12, 15:33
I've never been to Cambodia but have the chance to spend a few days either side of Christmas baby-sitting the offce in PP. Workwise, I t should be a doddle but wondering if the city will be a ghost town or in full-on party mode?Seeing as it's a Buddhist country, I don't think anyone gives a shit. Some of the bargirls will probably put on Santa hats so they can jack up the price another 25 or 50 bucks. Who cares right? What's a month's rent for an hour of used up gash with a starfish?

AussieGuy100
11-29-12, 18:53
Tungsten 2,

Ignore Rick Rock. For some reason he's now trolling.

PP at Christmas will be fun. As RR says, lots of Santa hats, girls dancing in the bars, generally a good time.

No chance it will be a ghost town. Just look back over the last ten pages of this PP thread for suggestions of where to go, depending on your preferences.

Knight 1001
11-30-12, 04:40
Thanks for the tips. I'm going to have to try something if I get sent over there (I swear this is fate punishing me, Cambodia is the ONE place in Asia I absolutely did not like).

When compared to what else is available in the world, it's just an absolutely dreadful place. I feel deeply sorry for anyone who thinks this is something good. It's like the old Koreans who sleep on the floor their whole lives and think it's the best. You know if they just slept in a bed they'd love it and see what shit sleeping on the ground was.I believe that you are beyond any salvation as far as Cambodia is concerned. And maybe you are right. Maybe you did something that justifies fate punishing you. Think about that for a moment. You may also want to talk to yourt bosses to trade for any other place because it may prove to be hell for you here.

You may also have been spoilt rotten with other countries but then again you should compare apples with apples and not apples with rabbits. Every country and people and culture have their own peculiarities and are extremely different even if they seem to be close to each other, that is if you take the time to see beyond the facade and the surface.

You know, in everything that we think is bad, with time, there is always something good and positive that evolves from it eventually. Few years back I was sent to work in Portugal while I had hated it the first time I went there and thought never to go back. Few weeks after I stayed there, I started discovering the real Lisbon, and its people, and I grew to like it and even to love it after few months. I realized that in my first visit I had seen nothing really, understood nothing and felt even less. Funny enough, same thing happened to me here in Cambodia the first time I came here 4 years ago and now yes I do love it and the people account for a large part of that.

Good luck because you need plenty of it bro =, just my 2 cents.

DingoD
11-30-12, 06:18
Unfortunately every blog or forum from time to time has the appearance of an attention seeker who adds no value and their sole purpose is to antagonize and "stir the pot".

They are best ingnored and they eventually, when their attention seeking ways no longer give them the sad rush they seek, crawl back under the rock they came from.

This loser Rick Rock is no exception, and I could give two fucks about his level of membership or tall stories of the number of countries he has been to or all the 18 year old supermodels he has fucked.

I encourage everyone to do as I do and when you read his name in a post thread, bypass whatever negative dribble he has to say and move on to the next post.

Enjoy PP for what it is fellow Khmer lovers!