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Banana Boi
12-29-20, 05:22
Has anyone returned to PP via PHN since the new Immigration rules were put in place? My main questions surround self isolation and the 2 k USD deposit.

I understand that if you test negative you go in to self isolation. If I stayed in a hotel on Street 136 would they know if I snuck out of my room for food or to a bar across the street for 5 minutes to grab a girl or have one of my girls come to my room? How am I being tracked in self isolation?

Anyone hear of any stories where guys have had issues recovering their 2 k when they leave Cambodia?

Sam Sanuk
12-29-20, 11:55
Has anyone returned to PP via PHN since the new Immigration rules were put in place? My main questions surround self isolation and the 2 k USD deposit.

I understand that if you test negative you go in to self isolation. If I stayed in a hotel on Street 136 would they know if I snuck out of my room for food or to a bar across the street for 5 minutes to grab a girl or have one of my girls come to my room? How am I being tracked in self isolation?

Anyone hear of any stories where guys have had issues recovering their 2 k when they leave Cambodia?For BB and others I highly recommend visiting this facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789 The administrators / mods are quite up to date on the rules / regs pertaining to entering the country at this time; who is and is not allowed; quarantine situation. Many members of the group have shared their experience in navigating this clusterfuck.

To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.

SS.

Banana Boi
12-30-20, 02:38
To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.OK this differs from what I read on World Nomad, last updated on Dec. 24. They say you self isolate at their own accommodation if you test negative. "Anyone who tests positive upon arrival will be quarantined for 14 days at designated facilities. Travelers who test negative must self-isolate at their own accommodation. ".

Philosophus
01-04-21, 21:05
Covid is for real. Stop hallucinating, fellas. Government control nonsense talk is awful. Vaccine is coming. 2nd half of 2021 at the latest visa on arrival will be available for those with proof of vaccination from credible countries. Such says my intel. Situation for the girls who frequented the bars is dire. Everbody has enough to eat, but the easy tickling exciting slow motion night life has gone, and so has the income. Remittals to family in province dries up. Everybody worse off. Yet many to few are using the time productively to collect the trash, remodel, learn English etc. Cambodia is in a funk.

SouthEaster
01-05-21, 00:28
I sure as hell hope your intel is right. It would work out well for me as I am so far down the priority list in my country there is little chance I can get a jab before that.

Sam Sanuk
01-05-21, 06:57
I sure as hell hope your intel is right. It would work out well for me as I am so far down the priority list in my country there is little chance I can get a jab before that."Intel" and unnamed sources never mean much to me. That said, as I'll be 79 this summer, this might be one of the few advantages I have over those lower down on the totem pole. (The others might be disposable income and experience.) So it could be that I'll be giving jabs to the damsels before you. Don't fret, we've all experienced "sloppy seconds". LOL.

SS.

Nyezhov
01-08-21, 02:10
Covid is for real. Stop hallucinating, fellas. Government control nonsense talk is awful. Vaccine is coming. 2nd half of 2021 at the latest visa on arrival will be available for those with proof of vaccination from credible countries. Such says my intel. Situation for the girls who frequented the bars is dire. Everbody has enough to eat, but the easy tickling exciting slow motion night life has gone, and so has the income. Remittals to family in province dries up. Everybody worse off. Yet many to few are using the time productively to collect the trash, remodel, learn English etc. Cambodia is in a funk.I agree wholeheartedly. Siem Reap is a construction zone now and that was direly needed. Folks are anticipating a reopening, tightening belts and doing what they can. But it isn't a lot of fun.

Dion Cassius
01-08-21, 03:06
To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.

SS.I live in PNH and I confirm that you are assigned a hotel for a 14 days quarantine. Don't count on having a hotel on street 136 and sneak out to the bars.

Dion Cassius
01-08-21, 03:08
Any action in PP right now?Bars are open, but not many customers. Which suits me just fine 😇.

Rick Rock
01-25-21, 02:22
OK this differs from what I read on World Nomad, last updated on Dec. 24. They say you self isolate at their own accommodation if you test negative. "Anyone who tests positive upon arrival will be quarantined for 14 days at designated facilities. Travelers who test negative must self-isolate at their own accommodation. ".Nope. You have to quarantine in a Chinese hotel selected by the powers that be. Terrible food. Just flew in 3 weeks ago. Needed a clean test and $2000 cash deposit. That's all.

Sam Sanuk
01-29-21, 15:15
Nope. You have to quarantine in a Chinese hotel selected by the powers that be. Terrible food. Just flew in 3 weeks ago. Needed a clean test and $2000 cash deposit. That's all.Hey Rick,

I don't need to know what type of visa you were admitted into the country; but since tourist visas aren't being made available to anybody at this time, I would just point this out to those who might be salivating over the idea that they can walk or fly across the border as usual.

SS.

PinkPearl
02-14-21, 10:32
I didint try bar girls at phnom penh because it not worth spend money on lady drinks, negotiate prices, get many refuses till find right girl for a right price.Why not just walk up to any lady you fancy standing or sitting outside the entrance to their bars, such as those yelling "Hello" to men walking by, and ask her what the bar fine cost is and will she go with you to your hotel? Ditto for those inside, if you want to check that out.

If she says yes, then pay the bar fine & any extra required for drinks & be on your merry way together with her to your room. Why beat around the Bush & waste both your time, and hers, and your money, with idle chit chat with many ladies who may not even be willing to go with you?

Furthermore, by the way, on YouTube videos you can see ladies on the streets where many bars are, who don't appear to be employed by any bar, trying to get customers. There's no need to buy them any drinks or even pay a bar fine. And no question that these ladies will not refuse you due to not being available. Assuming those I saw were ladies and not ladyboys, LOL.

Gilolo
08-26-21, 13:58
Why not just walk up to any lady you fancy standing or sitting outside the entrance to their bars, such as those yelling "Hello" to men walking by, and ask her what the bar fine cost is and will she go with you to your hotel? Ditto for those inside, if you want to check that out.

If she says yes, then pay the bar fine & any extra required for drinks & be on your merry way together with her to your room. Why beat around the Bush & waste both your time, and hers, and your money, with idle chit chat with many ladies who may not even be willing to go with you?

Furthermore, by the way, on YouTube videos you can see ladies on the streets where many bars are, who don't appear to be employed by any bar, trying to get customers. There's no need to buy them any drinks or even pay a bar fine. And no question that these ladies will not refuse you due to not being available. Assuming those I saw were ladies and not ladyboys, LOL.Now when I go PP, I stay usually in hotel in street 136 or in Nagaworld hotel little bit outside. I use a lot Facebook to find some sexy working girls in PP. Many times when I take breakfast in hotel in morning, I can see many sexy working girls with their Chinese customer and then very discreetly I choose the girl I want for the next night. Sometimes I just spend lot of time in breakfast and when I found the girl I want, very discreetly I try to smile to the lady and when she's alone or when she leave the customer after the breakfast, I go meet her very quickly and ask her phone number to fuck her in the afternoon or the evening and it works all the time.

When the girl stay all the time with her customer, because some Korean or Chinese men are very careful and very jealous, I ask the waitress in the hotel, or I go directly to the reception and I tip them 5 dollars and ask them to speak in Khmer with the girl if she s ok to meet me later. Each time, the customer with the girl understand nothing and most of the time, the girl say yes to meet me and give her Line or Whasapp to the Khmer girl and then I get the number and I call the girl 1 hour after. It works very well!

And last time I was in Sun and Moon hotel in street 136, I was in the same lift of a customer with very nice sexy teen 19 years old. When the lift opened on the reception, the guy go directly to the breakfast and the girl go outside the hotel to take a tuk tuk? I ran to the tuk tuk and asked her Line. And the same day in the afternoon at 3 pm she was back in my hotel room and I fucked her bareback for 50 dollars.

And yes I go some bars too in the evening but usually girls accept fuck with me. When I enter the bar, usually when I find the girl I want, I go directly to her, I smile to her and I love to catch her ass and then I pay 1 drink only. During the time we take the drink, I love touch the girl, kiss the girl even if sometimes she doesn't want to do. And after 15 min I pay the 10 dollars barfine and I go fuck her bareback always. In Cambodia, same as in Thailand girls accept BBFS easily. In the bars I pay the girl between 50 to 80 dollars for all the night. Sometimes I just take the girl for short time. And sometimes I keep the girl all the night. Usually the girl likes to sleep the morning because I wake up early to take the breakfast and the girl prefers sleep.

When I sleep all night with girl, usually it s because she s very hot and sexy, then each time in morning, when I wake up and wake up her but usually she likes sleep but I always fuck her in missionary quickly in the morning when she still sleep and I come inside her pussy. Girls like the morning fuck and sleep in same time.

Member #4729
08-31-21, 01:01
When the girl stay all the time with her customer, because some Korean or Chinese men are very careful and very jealous, I ask the waitress in the hotel, or I go directly to the reception and I tip them 5 dollars and ask them to speak in Khmer with the girl if she s ok to meet me later. Each time, the customer with the girl understand nothing and most of the time, the girl say yes to meet me and give her Line or Whasapp to the Khmer girl and then I get the number and I call the girl 1 hour after. It works very well!

And last time I was in Sun and Moon hotel in street 136, I was in the same lift of a customer with very nice sexy teen 19 years old. When the lift opened on the reception, the guy go directly to the breakfast and the girl go outside the hotel to take a tuk tuk? I ran to the tuk tuk and asked her Line. And the same day in the afternoon at 3 pm she was back in my hotel room and I fucked her bareback for 50 dollars.

And yes I go some bars too in the evening but usually girls accept fuck with me. When I enter the bar, usually when I find the girl I want, I go directly to her, I smile to her and I love to catch her ass and then I pay 1 drink only. During the time we take the drink, I love touch the girl, kiss the girl even if sometimes she doesn't want to do. And after 15 min I pay the 10 dollars barfine and I go fuck her bareback always. In Cambodia, same as in Thailand girls accept BBFS easily. In the bars I pay the girl between 50 to 80 dollars for all the night. Sometimes I just take the girl for short time. And sometimes I keep the girl all the night. Usually the girl likes to sleep the morning because I wake up early to take the breakfast and the girl prefers sleep.

When I sleep all night with girl, usually it s because she s very hot and sexy, then each time in morning, when I wake up and wake up her but usually she likes sleep but I always fuck her in missionary quickly in the morning when she still sleep and I come inside her pussy. Girls like the morning fuck and sleep in same time.I love everything about this post from the sneaky like a fox mongering technique to the not quite grammatically correct English, to the wonderful rapturous thought of banging tight and ready Cambodian SW's for $50 and ejaculating directly into their tiny little pussies. Bravo to you good man and thank you for painting such a beautiful image- it will truly be a glorious thing to return to this world.

Banana Boi
10-22-21, 05:02
Is anyone actually in PP now? If so, are the bars open? What percentage of total number of girls are still present between Streets 104 and 136?

Looking for a possible alternative place to hobby before more bars reopen in Bangkok and Pattaya after December 1.

Sam Sanuk
10-22-21, 23:57
Is anyone actually in PP now? If so, are the bars open? What percentage of total number of girls are still present between Streets 104 and 136?

Looking for a possible alternative place to hobby before more bars reopen in Bangkok and Pattaya after December 1.BB,

First, let me say it's good to see that you're still pumpin' air. LOL.

Sadly, Cambo is not an alternative to Thailand at this time. Both countries are seemingly proceeding to cautiously open to tourists / mongers in the not-too-distant future. As to how "distant", it's anybody's guess. Both countries still throw up disincentives including quarantines, insurance requirements, curfews, blah, blah, blah.

There are two facebook groups to which I belong and which I highly recommend, as they contain "real time" info posted by members who are "in country". Those groups are "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars—Girly Bars" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1062695980532551) and "Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789).

Bottom line is that both Thailand and Cambo seem to have some bars operating "under the radar", but with lower quality of service provider options than to what we have been accustomed. I'm planning on my next trip to take place in March-April 2022 (with fingers crossed).

SS.

Dragonfly22
11-14-21, 04:30
I'm in PP now. Bars are open on most streets. Prices for girls are lower now due to low amount of mongers available. A buyers market. Seems the girls are coming back from the villages. Phuket was a bust. Over priced drinks an $ girls. Lady drinks were $10 on Bangladesh Road.


BB,

First, let me say it's good to see that you're still pumpin' air. LOL.

Sadly, Cambo is not an alternative to Thailand at this time. Both countries are seemingly proceeding to cautiously open to tourists / mongers in the not-too-distant future. As to how "distant", it's anybody's guess. Both countries still throw up disincentives including quarantines, insurance requirements, curfews, blah, blah, blah.

There are two facebook groups to which I belong and which I highly recommend, as they contain "real time" info posted by members who are "in country". Those groups are "Phnom Penh Hostess BarsGirly Bars" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1062695980532551) and "Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789).

Bottom line is that both Thailand and Cambo seem to have some bars operating "under the radar", but with lower quality of service provider options than to what we have been accustomed. I'm planning on my next trip to take place in March-April 2022 (with fingers crossed).

SS.

Dragonfly22
11-14-21, 04:37
Can't find a Cambo girl that can give a decent BBBJ in Phnom Penh. Wish they carried around report cards with previous reviews for references!

AussieGuy100
11-22-21, 06:35
I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices ver negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4.

Reiner Otto
11-22-21, 10:21
I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. Sounds good.

However, to enter Cambodia, special health insurance required, I heared. And, when going back to TH, 1 day quaratine, required, at least, plus Thai Pas.

Johnie
11-22-21, 11:50
I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices ver negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4.Hi Ausie, my fellow countryman. Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc.

Thanks, Johnie.

Sam Sanuk
11-22-21, 20:40
Hi Ausie, my fellow countryman. Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc.

Thanks, Johnie.I'm not an Aussie, but maybe this will help.

Banana Boi
11-22-21, 21:15
Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc..


However, to enter Cambodia, special health insurance required, I heared. And, when going back to TH, 1 day quaratine, required, at least, plus Thai Pas.For fully vaccinated to enter Cambodia, evisa done online for $36 US. Negative PCR test 72 hours before flight. Antigen test upon arrival. The $2000 US deposit is gone. Medical insurance is recommended but not mandatory. ZERO quarantine!

Yes, when you re-enter Thailand you go through the entire Thailand Pass routine again including 1 day at an AQ hotel, RT-PCR test etc.

Sam Sanuk posted 2 helpful Facebook groups a few posts down.

Keep up yo date on the newest releases. Likely to change as this is new. https://www.mfaic.gov.kh/posts/2021-11-17-Covid-19-Reference-THE-NEW-TRAVEL-CONDITIONS-AND-THE-IMPLEMENTATION-OF-HEALTH-AND-TOURISM-SAFETY-MEASURES-FOR-TRAVELLER-19-15-06.

EVisa https://www.evisa.gov.kh/.

Banana Boi
11-22-21, 21:18
Dragonfly, AussieGuy, Sam, and others, please post some reviews. We are all living vicariously through you guys until we get to PP. Thank you.

Johnie
11-23-21, 03:48
For fully vaccinated to enter Cambodia, evisa done online for $36 US. Negative PCR test 72 hours before flight. Antigen test upon arrival. The $2000 US deposit is gone. Medical insurance is recommended but not mandatory. ZERO quarantine!

Yes, when you re-enter Thailand you go through the entire Thailand Pass routine again including 1 day at an AQ hotel, RT-PCR test etc.

Sam Sanuk posted 2 helpful Facebook groups a few posts down.

Keep up yo date on the newest releases. Likely to change as this is new. https://www.mfaic.gov.kh/posts/2021-11-17-Covid-19-Reference-THE-NEW-TRAVEL-CONDITIONS-AND-THE-IMPLEMENTATION-OF-HEALTH-AND-TOURISM-SAFETY-MEASURES-FOR-TRAVELLER-19-15-06.

EVisa https://www.evisa.gov.kh/.Sam and BB, thank you so much for the advice. It's the news I have been waiting for. On my way to PP in March to pick up where I left off just before COVID. Any recommendations for a hotel hear Soya Mall? I previously stayed at Walabout and Flamingo in the day and a not so good Chinese hotel opposite and at the end of the mall more recently.

Yours in mongering, Johnie.

AussieGuy100
12-06-21, 03:46
Dragonfly, AussieGuy, Sam, and others, please post some reviews. We are all living vicariously through you guys until we get to PP. Thank you.Here in Phnom Penh the bars have all been officially open for a week now without any issues. That's after 627 days of officially being closed, though many bars stayed open quietly, speakeasy style, for much of that time.

It's great to see all the lights on again.

Now there are loads of girls around the bars all eager for customers!

Prices seem to be $30-50ST, $40-60 LT. There are both regular girls and a noticeable number of new girls, so plenty to choose from. Hostess bar customer drink prices same as pre-covid - $1. 50 draft beer, $3. 50-4 spirits, ladydrinks $3. 75-$4, LD shots $5-$6.

With no quarantine required for vaccinated visitors, and just a rapid test at the airport, we are already seeing an influx of people here. Many are guys who haven't seen their Cambodian girlfriends for two years.

So if you want a quick easy trip to enjoy about 150 girly bars, come and visit Phnom Penh while you're waiting for your area to re-open.

Pv118
01-01-22, 13:16
Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.

IHeartIpa
01-01-22, 16:34
Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.From what I remembered of my previous Cambodia trips everything is negotiable. You were clearly a new tourist and so she aimed high. I'm sure she would've taken $40 and been happy.

Banana Boi
01-02-22, 02:25
$70 is the usual starting point for LT, $50 for ST. My highest was $100 LT at Air Force bar on 104. Girl wouldn't budge. She knew she was the hottest girl available in the RLD that night. Had to let her know what I thought of her and the mamasan too. Really unfortunate cause she was easily one of the top 5 girls I ever saw in the RLD. Not that $100 meant a difference in my pocketbook rather I felt like they thought I was a chump. Can't be weak with PP girls. It's a buyer's market there.

Muzungufotsy
01-02-22, 14:30
Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.Exactly. Nicely done. If more guys act like you she wouldn't ask this stupid amount.

Pv118
01-03-22, 10:04
When I was here four years ago, I had an incredible few days. BBFS with 4 girls LT, including BBFS anal, all for a cheap price, a lot of fun. I don't even think I bought any lady drinks. Just went with the girls from the bars.

But in the first four days of my one month stay here in Phnom Penh, it has been constant swings and misses. 5 girls, 5 lady drinks, and so far, 2 of them have told me they are on their period, 3 of them quoted $70 for ST. From the previous poster's perspective, I absolutely agree all these girls were just taking me for a chump with the usual "where you from, how long you stay, blah blah blah. " The fifth girl from Dream Girls Bar, one of the ones who quoted me $70, when I refused, did jump down to $50. I already took a viagra and decided to go with it.

It was one of the worst sex I had in my life. It was beyond terrible. When we entered my hotel room, I tried to kiss her, and she immediately turned her head to block it. Then, she tried to sell me a condom for $5. I said let's just go downstairs to get one, but she was adamant to try to make a few bucks off me. Luckily, I had a spare condom in my backpack. She kept complaining that I cheated her of $20. She did not allow any french kissing, on the bed, she turned her back to me and gave me a handjob backwards, no BJ at all, and only allowed on top, and she didn't move at all. Me, being very pissed, I did fuck her very hard for a while, and when I flipped her on top, she replies she is tired. She pulls herself off me and just complains more. I get very annoyed and turned off, and she sees that and says, "I'm horny why you no horny, you drink too much beer?" This was the last straw. I've never done this before, I always avoid losing my cool, and please do not pass judgement as I've been mongering for years across the world (recently I wrote on the Rio Janeiro Forum a list of 100 women I've had sex with).

I told her to get the f**k out, that she was the worse sex I have ever had, that this sex was worth 0 dollars. I threw her bag outside the door, and she rushed out. Honestly, one of the worst upsell sex I ever had in the world, and just as I said to her, she should not be in this business.

So before any other mongers try to convince you to go to Cambodia even though there are a lot of ladies and bars open and very few foreigners, I just wanted to share with you the lousiness of my first few days experience. Theoretically, it should be a buyer's market, but so far the women have been more annoying and greedy than the tuk tuk drivers. I think the ones who are getting the fair deals are the expats who lived here for a while and people already accept (as an analogy, the tuk tuk's ask for $5 but the locals pay 5000 Cambodian realis which is the real price on Grabcar). Maybe I need a expat wingman who lives here to avoid scams and cheats?

Sam Sanuk
01-03-22, 17:50
When I was here four years ago, I had an incredible few days. BBFS with 4 girls LT, including BBFS anal, all for a cheap price, a lot of fun. I don't even think I bought any lady drinks. Just went with the girls from the bars.

But in the first four days of my one month stay here in Phnom Penh, it has been constant swings and misses. 5 girls, 5 lady drinks, and so far, 2 of them have told me they are on their period, 3 of them quoted $70 for ST. From the previous poster's perspective, I absolutely agree all these girls were just taking me for a chump with the usual "where you from, how long you stay, blah blah blah. " The fifth girl from Dream Girls Bar, one of the ones who quoted me $70, when I refused, did jump down to $50. I already took a viagra and decided to go with it.

It was one of the worst sex I had in my life. It was beyond terrible. When we entered my hotel room, I tried to kiss her, and she immediately turned her head to block it. Then, she tried to sell me a condom for $5. I said let's just go downstairs to get one, but she was adamant to try to make a few bucks off me. Luckily, I had a spare condom in my backpack. She kept complaining that I cheated her of $20. She did not allow any french kissing, on the bed, she turned her back to me and gave me a handjob backwards, no BJ at all, and only allowed on top, and she didn't move at all. Me, being very pissed, I did fuck her very hard for a while, and when I flipped her on top, she replies she is tired. She pulls herself off me and just complains more. I get very annoyed and turned off, and she sees that and says, "I'm horny why you no horny, you drink too much beer?" This was the last straw. I've never done this before, I always avoid losing my cool, and please do not pass judgement as I've been mongering for years across the world (recently I wrote on the Rio Janeiro Forum a list of 100 women I've had sex with).

I told her to get the f**k out, that she was the worse sex I have ever had, that this sex was worth 0 dollars. I threw her bag outside the door, and she rushed out. Honestly, one of the worst upsell sex I ever had in the world, and just as I said to her, she should not be in this business.

I'm guessing that all of us who have been partaking in the "hobby" for any length of time have experienced similar. Over the 50 years I've been going to Asia, I've had maybe 3 similar experiences. And reacted in each case the same as you did: kicked them out the door. LOL Yeah, lost a barfine or two in the process, but no reason to throw good money after bad. If one knows how much he is willing to pay, just stick to your guns. Knowing the "going rate" is all you need to know when it comes to "gifting". The rest is just luck of the draw. Look at it this way: things can only improve; no need for a wingman.

SS.

Buhuiba
01-05-22, 08:27
Partly in response to Pv118:

This is my third visit to Cambodia. I've been here three weeks now.

I love this place. But it can be frustrating. Here are some of my observations:

-When I first arrived for this trip, I bought lady drinks for a couple of young, super hot girls. They both told me that Chinese / Japanese / Koreans are paying $150 for ST. Is it true? I don't know. But I can believe it. The Asian countries are mostly locked down tight. Anyone visiting from one of those countries right now is probably not a regular tourist but rather is here on a government or business visa, and maybe doesn't care much about how much they spend.

-In any case, I usually avoid the young, super hot girls. Besides thinking they have pussies made of gold (and more power to them if they can get $150 for ST! It's just that I'm not going to be a customer), in my experience they're almost always bad at sex.

-But I have been able to find decent LT girls for $40. You just have to hunt around. Good thing that I love hunting around!

-The girls I prefer are the ones who are pretty fresh in from the countryside, not the hardened pros. The downside is that these girls often are bad in bed, no BJ, and they just lay there waiting for you to get it over with. But not always! I've found a few real gems. These are girls whose faces are 7's rather than 10's, but their bodies. More important to me than faces. Are 10's, and who are eager to serve their man, and they love sex.

-For instance, I found a girl several days ago, she's 23, has a very hot body, she seems eager to please me in every way, it's easy to make her come ("you don't come yet? I come already 3 times! And she loves sex. Last night we went at it for an hour, then she gave me a massage for 30 minutes, then I ask, "Sleep now?" and she says, "No, more boom. " Incredible. She gives one of the best BJs I've ever had. And she's pretty new to the game (she is amazed that my hotel has hot water.) When I asked how much she wanted she says those lovely words, "up to you. " I've been giving her $60 a night for LT and basically 8 hours of constant (really good) sex, interspersed with the occasional massage. This is the jackpot I'm always looking for, I'm here for a few more weeks and I'm probably not going to switch away from this girl.

-But this is not unique. I found a girl like this the first time I was in Phnom Penh, and then another one like this the first time I went to Sihanoukville, and then two like this the last time I was here (two years ago.) This is why.

I love Cambodia! (I love the Philippines for the same reason.).

-I'm not saying every girl in Cambodia is like that. But they are here.

-Here are some of the strategies I use: first, as I said, I tend to stay away from the young, cute girls. Let the rich Chinese / Japanese / Korean businessman have those. They're probably terrible in bed anyway. I go for girls who aren't necessarily beautiful in the face, though they have awesome bodies.

-I like to pursue the older girls. You can find ladies in their early 30's who have hot bodies, they know they can't compete with the 22 year olds so they charge much less, but they certainly know what they are doing in the bedroom. They know what you want and they know how to give it to you.

-It seems like most of the larger bars on 130 and 136 are playing rap music. I go for the less frequented bars, and if I can find one where they are playing traditional Khmer music I know I'm on the right track.

-It's difficult but still possible to find a girl who doesn't have a smart phone. If I find a girl who is not leashed to a smartphone, that gets my attention. If you walk by a bar, and the girl out front keeps staring at her smartphone. Keep on walking.

-It seems like lots of Cambodian girls don't want to kiss. If you can find one who wants to kiss you in the bar. She's probably going to be a lot of fun when you get home. Probably not a starfish.

-I don't mind buying lady drinks. They're pretty cheap by my drinking standards back home, and you can learn a lot about the girl before making the commitment of a barfine. If the vibe doesn't feel good after a lady drink, I walk away.

Perennial
01-10-22, 23:20
Partly in response to Pv118:
I love this place. But it can be frustrating. Here are some of my observations:
I love Cambodia! (I love the Philippines for the same reason.).
.Nice report, Buhuiba. Most important is to stay active and focussed on making things happen, cut on drink & porn and go out into the warm Phnom Penh nights. Take what the city offers. For me the better part of the experience is to be nude with a young, pretty and pristine girl. Petite, young and slim, small breast, small feet, natural and cute is more important than a Cindy Crawford face. Sometimes it is worthwhile to take a tuk tuk and scan brothels outside the river cluster, where Westerners hang out. KTV outside the river zone can also be a hive of gems. Many girls are so dirt poor, but can make a monthly sales staff salary by going with 2 customers a month. Kissing is rare, but that may also be a Covid effect. BBBJ is the norm, BBFS can be had by asking, by not asking or by ramming the condom into pieces inside the bird's little womb. It is true that some young pretties are passive, but they do reciprcate and enjoy being treated tenderly. All of my Khmer girls came. One of them, a tiny 19 yo sneaker factory worker, would not kiss, but would let me penetrate her little anus and accept a facial into her hardened but cute and smiling Khmer face. I easily forego the service of a 30 yo if I can finish in a pretty 19 yo's face.

Rick Rock
01-16-22, 18:53
They both told me that Chinese / Japanese / Koreans are paying $150 for ST. Is it trueYes.

And the locals who own all of those Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Rolls Royce, and Ashton Martins you see around town are paying even more. Visit a KTV with one sometime and you will learn a lot.

Finally, this was the case long before COVID.

Kommissar1231
02-11-22, 16:36
Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on https://www.evisa.gov.kh or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?

JohnnyO
02-13-22, 04:19
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.

IHeartIpa
02-13-22, 05:41
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.I'd suggest moving. At the very least talk to your buildings security. Tip them and tell them you don't want her around. If you don't have security then you should move anyways.

RacShack
02-13-22, 08:08
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.No body can actually answer this until we know the full story of what you did, will be hard not knowing all the facts, good luck, very bad spot to be in!

Johnie
02-13-22, 10:49
Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on https://www.evisa.gov.kh or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?Got my E visa within 7 days and no proof of a return flight out of Cambodia required.

Johnie.

AskeAske
02-13-22, 18:41
Got my E visa within 7 days and no proof of a return flight out of Cambodia required.

Johnie.

Remember to check with your Airline. Some time they demand that you have a ticket out of Cambodia. Before covid easy to buy a cheap busticket to Ho chi Minh online.

Axel Heyst
02-13-22, 19:01
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.From what little you have given us I would simply advise changing hotels and hanging out in different bars than your usual haunts. That should take care of things unless there is more to the story than you have told us. Uhm. So if things have become untenable you can always get out of Phnom for a few days or even skip the country and go to Thailand.

SouthEaster
02-13-22, 20:23
Going to another cop shop will achieve nothing. They know fuck all about what is going on and they won't care. If it is very recent, say a day or 2 you could drop by the original cop shop with a case of beer as "thanks" for their trouble. Big smile, shake a few hands and at least if push comes to shove you have a slightly better chance. If you don't know already money talks in Cambodia and if you want a "report" (hooker bothering me, don't know if I'd want one) you will have to pay for it. 50 bucks should do the trick. She probably has no pull whatsoever and you are worried over nothing but simply switching accommodation as mentioned previously should fix it and is probably cheaper!

Johnie
02-14-22, 12:27
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.A similar thing happened to me. A middle aged SW of Vietnamese origin appeared quite friendly and latched onto me about 2 or 3 years ago in PP. She followed me on a shopping expedition and was quite helpful so I invited her to lunch. After lunch, naturally we went back to my hotel for a shower and some fun. After the deed I gave her $5 but she would not take it, created a scene so I threw her out of the room. Created such a commotion in the corridor that the manager came and removed her. Later next day she saw me at Golden Sorya and made a nuisance of herself, so much that I left and walked away. She closely followed me in every direction until I got to Shanghai pub where I signaled a Moto. The moto came and I got on the bike but she started to attack the rider who got off and retaliated in a fight during which her hand bag was torn. I walked away in another direction looking for a police station. After walking for about 25 minutes unable to find any help I got so far in front of her that to my surprise the same Moto rider had been following and quickly rode up for me to get on the back to make an escape. I paid him handsomely when he dropped me off at my hotel.

Fortunately I was leaving town the next day but I was so what nervous when I returned to the same are next year.

O K, some may say I should have paid her more in the first place, however no money was discussed, I bought her lunch and she was a bottom feeder that many guys would not touch. Lesson learned, in this situation always agree on a price before parting the old beef curtain!

Johnie.

Jahan
02-14-22, 20:22
Remember to check with your Airline. Sometimes they demand that you have a ticket out of Cambodia. Before covid, easy to buy a cheap bus ticket to Ho Chi Minh online.Hi there,

I am on my way to PP in two weeks from now, as always I try to inform myself (update my information) regarding what they ask at the border since I know the officers like to improve themselves who sell the most nonsense. So as I told that I have all required documents Covid-19 and other bla bla he told me he advise me to purchase a return flight as land borders are closed, so I would have no issues in case if some ask for it, he add it might be I get rejected to enter, so this scared me, although I guess I was wise enough but hey it was his call and he did push me to think what is more worth to me, after long flight having some P. Sh, bothering me to gain all lost money during pandemic or just get in without hassle+ so I just purchased a flight to BKK in a month I knew I can easily extend my visa at least for one month, but I am going to apply for either business visa or retirement one once I am inside so why bother, and I paid $68 for Leimai airlines flight PP to BKK (I think is to DMK! Any way Nice to be there soon for 60 ieth).

Sam Sanuk
02-15-22, 11:28
Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on https://www.evisa.gov.kh or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?As noted previously, no flight information is requested or needed upon application for an eVisa to Cambodia. The airline may ask to see a reservation for a flight departing Cambodia. I had this happen the one time I departed the USA Using a one-way ticket. I have never been required to show onward travel arrangements upon arrival at a Cambodian airport.

SS.

JohnnyO
02-18-22, 05:25
Guys I'm the ground here since the last 2 weeks. Another 2 week's to go. I have the lay of the land. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer inbox me.

Gonz0
02-18-22, 07:50
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.
Guys I'm the ground here since the last 2 weeks. Another 2 week's to go. I have the lay of the land. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer inbox me.Looks like you have found a solution to your earlier problem.

Did it end with the payment at the police station?

From your experience, do you have any advice for anyone who might encounter a similar problem in the future?

Travel Spirit
02-19-22, 22:24
enjoy about 150 girly barsHow many girls per bar?

NormanBrightside
02-21-22, 09:30
Does anyone have any information on the mechanics of taking girls back to your hotel?

I will be in PP later this month, and my hotel has messaged me about requirements for all guests to have original passports and vaccination certificates. Do you know whether these rules are strictly enforced and if so whether bar girls all carry these documents with them?

Thanks.

Norman.

Banana Boi
02-22-22, 02:51
I will be in PP later this month, and my hotel has messaged me about requirements for all guests to have original passports and vaccination certificates. Do you know whether these rules are strictly enforced and if so whether bar girls all carry these documents with them?Change hotels immediately. Book a hotel near or on Street 136. No issues. Those hotels know why guys stay there.

NormanBrightside
02-22-22, 04:32
Change hotels immediately. Book a hotel near or on Street 136. No issues. Those hotels know why guys stay there.Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?

Cheers.

Norman.

RacShack
02-22-22, 05:43
Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?.Sun and moon used to be very girl friendly, but who knows now with all the BS going on, ask them outright through email, WhatsApp or landline so you know the answer before to late to cancel, I know riverside as well "used "to be zero jam up, good luck.

Blanquiceleste
02-22-22, 06:35
Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?.Sun and Moon is a good hotel, great location but they have some rather silly rules. As BB suggests a change of hotels might be the best move.

NormanBrightside
02-22-22, 18:10
Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess.

I've got a great deal on a suite in Sun and Moon so I will check with the hotel as RacShack suggested and report back. And if I can dodge Covid from now until the my departure I'll post my experiences. First time out of Singapore for 3 years. Can't wait.

Cheers.

Norman.

Gilolo
02-22-22, 18:59
Sun and Moon is a good hotel, great location but they have some rather silly rules. As BB suggests a change of hotels might be the best move.I was in Sun and Moon hotel just when the pandemia start and just few days before they close the country. But I'll never go back there! Each time ladies must show their ID to go in rooms. And when ladies don't have ID and even if they show the copy of their ID they refuse the lady go in the room.

Last time, I was on the pool of the hotel and my lady came to me but didn't have her ID. I told them she can come to the bar and pool of the hotel. We took a drink together. But after we decided go my room, and the reception called me in my room to ask me the lady to leave my room because she didn't show her ID. In reception, they have nothing to do and they check where go the customers of the hotel go with their ladies.

I'll never go back there!

NormanBrightside
02-23-22, 07:45
I was in Sun and Moon hotel just when the pandemia start and just few days before they close the country. But I'll never go back there! Each time ladies must show their ID to go in rooms. And when ladies don't have ID and even if they show the copy of their ID they refuse the lady go in the room.

Last time, I was on the pool of the hotel and my lady came to me but didn't have her ID. I told them she can come to the bar and pool of the hotel. We took a drink together. But after we decided go my room, and the reception called me in my room to ask me the lady to leave my room because she didn't show her ID. In reception, they have nothing to do and they check where go the customers of the hotel go with their ladies.

I'll never go back there!Thanks Gilolo,

I've taken everyone's advice and have switched hotels to the TAO Riverside which is nearby and hopefully less fussy than the Sun & Moon.

Again many thanks all for the really helpful advice!

Norman.

RacShack
02-23-22, 08:53
Thanks Gilolo,

I've taken everyone's advice and have switched hotels to the TAO Riverside which is nearby and hopefully less fussy than the Sun & Moon.

Again many thanks all for the really helpful advice!

Norman.Hopefully?

FunExplorer
02-23-22, 09:13
I stayed at Hotel De Arts, which is right opposite the Night Market and in the heart of RLD. Its a decent hotel and I liked its bathroom which does not have a door but covered by big glass. You can enjoy bath with the girl together or just watch her taking bath! I recommend the hotel and it is absolutely girl friendly. No questions asked. No ID required any time by the girls. I have taken multiple girls on the same day.


Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess..

NormanBrightside
02-23-22, 23:21
I stayed at Hotel De Arts, which is right opposite the Night Market and in the heart of RLD. Its a decent hotel and I liked its bathroom which does not have a door but covered by big glass. You can enjoy bath with the girl together or just watch her taking bath! I recommend the hotel and it is absolutely girl friendly. No questions asked. No ID required any time by the girls. I have taken multiple girls on the same day.Thank's FunExplorer.

I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl.

Cheers,

Norman.

FunExplorer
02-24-22, 08:36
During my stay back in 2017, I did not come across any under aged girls. Nevertheless, I agree ID helps to prevent that. But many hotels do not really check!


Thank's FunExplorer.

I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl..

Paolo99
02-24-22, 11:22
I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl.Hi Norman,

What are the requirements to enter Cambodia nowadays? Did they open up the country lately?

I stayed at TAO for one night, the room was big but the place was very overpriced in my opinion (60 dollars) but I didn't have the balcony on the riverside, mine was on the street.

If I remember correctly the night clerk was locking the lobby's door at night, I had to wake him up to enter the hotel after a night out.

And taking the girl's ID was already something they were doing pre-covid, he even called me to check if everything was ok before giving her ID back.

NormanBrightside
02-25-22, 08:17
Hey Paolo,

A tourist visa which cost $38 if I recall. Very straightforward but it did take about 7 days for the approval confirmation. Then assuming you are fully vaccinated a negative PCR test up to 72 hours before flying and an ART test on arrival which you have to wait at the airport to get the results.

You're right I'm paying $60 and that is a little pricey for a hotel with the high end facilities such as a pool and gym. But I like the idea of a large balcony over looking the riverside, it's also a high floor and is near to the action. So I'm willing to pay for that.

Cheers.

Norman.


Hi Norman,

What are the requirements to enter Cambodia nowadays? Did they open up the country lately?

I stayed at TAO for one night, the room was big but the place was very overpriced in my opinion (60 dollars) but I didn't have the balcony on the riverside, mine was on the street.

If I remember correctly the night clerk was locking the lobby's door at night, I had to wake him up to enter the hotel after a night out.

And taking the girl's ID was already something they were doing pre-covid, he even called me to check if everything was ok before giving her ID back.

Djspk
03-18-22, 06:34
I was just in Cambodia, and I stayed at the Sun&Moon and also at the Lux Riverside. The Sun&Moon is way nicer (and very cheap right now), but it is definitely more rigid about their guest policy -- they require ID and a Vax card. Still, that only caused an issue once when I took back a girl who doesn't normally do bar fines (it worked out, I convinced the desk man to let it slide that she didn't have her vax card with). The Lux is older and has fewer amenities, but is more chill about guests. IMO, virtually anything above $30 in the riverside area will be fine.

One thing to note about your return journey is that a PCR test in Cambodia will set you back $130.

Djspk
03-18-22, 07:01
It's generally true that the hostess bars in Phnom Penh are all "take-out" establishments. When you find a girl you like, you pay the barfine and take her back to your hotel. However, I was just in PP and actually found at least one bar that has on-site ST rooms -- there may be more in that area.

Specifically on a street parallel to the river between 110 and 118 (one block west from the main river road) there are several hostess bars, and I suspect more than one of them may have ST rooms. The ST room I used was technically an apartment reached by going out of the bar, which is probably how they avoid legal scrutiny. Even though the room was a bit ramshackle and the "AC" was just some fans, I picked a really good one and got one of the best lays of my whole trip.

If you're adventurous, or are too horny to care about the accommodations, it's worth a look.

TitanJones
03-18-22, 16:34
I stayed 6 days at sun and moon hotel. They require original ID and vaccine card and charge 10 $ Per girl. This hotel probably has the nicest pool, but you can access it if you aren't staying there for 10/ day (sometimes for free because they don't come ask you for the money, all you have to do is walk to the back of the lobby and to the elevator to the top floor). I should've stayed in tao riverside because they don't ask for ID and don't charge per girl. I paid anywhere from 50-100/ night. The hotter the girl the more you pay, also I'd they are 18/19 lowest I saw was 80. Pretty slow not a lot of farang. I had some great girls. I'd say about half of them did not do BJ. 6 girls total this trip. 3 let me have sex no condom, loved stuffing those tiny little things.

Its A bit of a hassle getting through customs because they want a visa (usually takes 3 days, but I got one within 24 h using evisa and require a pcr). To get around I used tuk tuk, they usually charge 3 dollars to get around the district. You can download "pass app" and it's much cheaper. GRAB app was useless for transportation.

I like it better than Thailand (been there twice previously). The reason I like it better than Thailand is because the girls are overall more friendly. I'm a big black guy about 5'11 245 muscular football frame. In Thailand on multiple occasions girls would say "NO" to barfine in bars and gogo. The girls are way more particular in Thailand. I was never refused service by any girls in Cambodia and all of the ones I picked were absolutely mind-blowingly tiny. It was greattt. It's incredibly depressing to be turned down by some tiny Asian girl stunner working in a working girl house. One very annoying this I encountered was talking to a girl only to find out they don't go with customers. I don't understand that at all. The girls would say "you are cute I like you, but I no go with customer". I asked if they have BF or sponsor and they say no. It was always the younger girls that were 18. Despite that I had 2 18 year olds that were fantastic, who did not object to barfine. I can't make heads or tails why some of the young ones went and why the others didn't. Some parts of the culture and customs are very strange. They girls call cousins "sister" even if they aren't sisters.

I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?

Sam Sanuk
03-19-22, 06:16
Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?I sponsored one bargirl 30+ years ago who was dancing on Soi Cowboy. 19 years old with a 4 year old son. I'd met her over about 3 trips in 18 months. Readily identifiable as an honest, no bullshit type of person. Very "unThai". She only had a 3rd grade education. Her Thai husband had left her shortly after their kid was born. He was almost twice her age. No sick mother or buffalo. Needed to support her kid and parents. (She had two cousins doing the same work.) She jumped at the chance of going for vocational training; she decided to try "hair school". 6 months program. Tuition and a stipend was provided by yours truly. Stipend was administered by a trustworthy Thai friend in BKK. He checked weekly at the school to make sure she was attending and progressing. If not, the stipend / sponsorship would be terminated. She finished and mailed me a fancy invitation to her graduation ceremony in BKK. That was very interesting. Loyal? 200%. She got married to a good Thai guy who had a good job at a Thai uni. He got her a job there and she has been employed at the uni for close to 30 years. LOL Loyal? After her husband died unexpectedly, she resumed our previous relationship. I chat with her from time to time on Facebook. She's a real gem. She's a grandmother you'd like to F+++ (Still trim and very well aged.) She is the only bargirl I've even considered for a fleeting moment to sponsor. Without the help of my Thai buddy in making sure she followed through, I would not have done it. Indeed, I'd generally stay clear of any sponsorship of a bargirl.

SS.

Blanquiceleste
03-23-22, 07:36
I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?If this isn't your first trip to Asia you would not ask this question. A less painful way to part with your money would be to burn it.

As for turning a WG into a housewife. Kingdoms have been lost. Don't waste your time contemplating such matters.

Love Traveller
03-24-22, 11:44
Brother. Finally Covid Restrictions are at its lowest and Cambodia seems to be a nice place to start AGAIN.

Quick Question: Usually, the birds in Philippine's run away to the province to celebrate such holidays. Hence trying out a new destination, Phnom Penh.

Worth traveling to the city on Khumer New Year Weekend? Will be clubs be empty or buzzing? Choose another weekend or this one would be more fun?

Thanks for in advance for your help guys! Can't wait to hear from you and plan accordingly!!

EDash713
03-28-22, 17:36
Brother. Finally Covid Restrictions are at its lowest and Cambodia seems to be a nice place to start AGAIN.

Quick Question: Usually, the birds in Philippine's run away to the province to celebrate such holidays. Hence trying out a new destination, Phnom Penh.

Worth traveling to the city on Khumer New Year Weekend? Will be clubs be empty or buzzing? Choose another weekend or this one would be more fun?

Thanks for in advance for your help guys! Can't wait to hear from you and plan accordingly!!I was there 3/19 to 3/23 to go Siem Reap. The bar at 136 area was pretty dead. Plenty of girls but rarely any customers. They all want 100-200 for long time. I didn't bother checking out KTV. And I can't for the life of me find any happy massage places.

NormanBrightside
03-29-22, 07:34
Just a quick report.

I was in PP in early March and as others have mentioned street 136 is full of girls but very few customers. I ended up taking a girl for 40 USD ST. She was actually happy for it to be LT at the same price but I had things to do the next day so needed to be up early. The girl was early 20's, pretty enough although not stunning and happy to kiss, OWO and in fact bareback too if I wanted. Service was pretty good too. I stayed at the TAO Riverside which is nice and convenient and they held the girls ID but didn't need a vaccine cert. They also called me before they handed the ID back to ensure everything was ok.

All in all, PP is a good place to hobby at the moment, albeit limited on things to do during the day.

Norman.

AintAsceet
04-05-22, 21:19
And are there any escort sites to pick from or any way to find online outcall girls or do I have to hunt for them in person and then bring them to my hotel / Airbnb?

Blr City
04-07-22, 13:27
Is it worth visiting phnom phen during New year week, April 10-15?

This would be my first time.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Traveling John #2
04-07-22, 16:41
Not a fan of getting told no by a working girl and it seems to only happen in asia. Especially Japan and Korea. Good to hear you had a good time.

Sponsoring a girl whose story is depressing is probably not a good idea. But college is much cheaper and cost of living is low. If you believe in giving to something might as well be a girl that made you smile and you could visit anytime you are in Asia. The girl I sponsor meets me in different countries and helping her finish college will change her and her families lives. Try to remember though like the other guy said, she is using the money to have a better life and not wasting it.


I stayed 6 days at sun and moon hotel. They require original ID and vaccine card and charge 10 $ Per girl. This hotel probably has the nicest pool, but you can access it if you aren't staying there for 10/ day (sometimes for free because they don't come ask you for the money, all you have to do is walk to the back of the lobby and to the elevator to the top floor). I should've stayed in tao riverside because they don't ask for ID and don't charge per girl. I paid anywhere from 50-100/ night. The hotter the girl the more you pay, also I'd they are 18/19 lowest I saw was 80. Pretty slow not a lot of farang. I had some great girls. I'd say about half of them did not do BJ. 6 girls total this trip. 3 let me have sex no condom, loved stuffing those tiny little things.

Its A bit of a hassle getting through customs because they want a visa (usually takes 3 days, but I got one within 24 h using evisa and require a pcr). To get around I used tuk tuk, they usually charge 3 dollars to get around the district. You can download "pass app" and it's much cheaper. GRAB app was useless for transportation.

I like it better than Thailand (been there twice previously). The reason I like it better than Thailand is because the girls are overall more friendly. I'm a big black guy about 5'11 245 muscular football frame. In Thailand on multiple occasions girls would say "NO" to barfine in bars and gogo. The girls are way more particular in Thailand. I was never refused service by any girls in Cambodia and all of the ones I picked were absolutely mind-blowingly tiny. It was greattt. It's incredibly depressing to be turned down by some tiny Asian girl stunner working in a working girl house. One very annoying this I encountered was talking to a girl only to find out they don't go with customers. I don't understand that at all. The girls would say "you are cute I like you, but I no go with customer". I asked if they have BF or sponsor and they say no. It was always the younger girls that were 18. Despite that I had 2 18 year olds that were fantastic, who did not object to barfine. I can't make heads or tails why some of the young ones went and why the others didn't. Some parts of the culture and customs are very strange. They girls call cousins "sister" even if they aren't sisters.

I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?

GentileBear
04-13-22, 23:54
Is BBFS CIP (creampie finish) easily available in Phnom Penh? I am on the verge of pulling the trigger and going to Cambodia since I am just to reluctant to play Covid games in PI or Pattaya.

For what it is worth. And maybe to bring some value. I went to Jakarta Indo and had the same question. Although I PM'ed a few of you guys. Was very happy that BBFS was the standard.

Also. Seems Cambo might be cheaper. And I am just looking for some open minded ladies who are submissive but Condom sex isn't for me.

SplareMe
04-17-22, 08:01
Not a fan of getting told no by a working girl and it seems to only happen in Asia. Especially Japan and Korea. Good to hear you had a good time.

Sponsoring a girl whose story is depressing is probably not a good idea. But college is much cheaper and the cost of living is low. If you believe in giving to something might as well be a girl that made you smile and you could visit anytime you are in Asia. The girl I sponsor meets me in different countries and helping her finish college will change her and her family's lives. Try to remember though as the other guy said, she is using the money to have a better life and not wasting it.Well said. If you really understand where the women are coming from and you have made a real connection, then like in any other relationship you spend time and resources helping to make both your lives work well together. This is always a complicated decision. The more you understand yourself the easier this decision is.

Understand, this is an opportunity to connect with someone who would be impossible to connect with, and enjoy the opportunity while doing the right thing under most usual circumstances! Win, win!

Always make sure you do a serious risk assessment first. Remember your weakness, the crazy girls are the most fun! Find your safe zone and defend it.

There is a little more softness in Cambodian women. I just visited it for the 3rd time and it is still top of my list.

Gilolo
04-18-22, 03:14
Is BBFS CIP (creampie finish) easily available in Phnom Penh? I am on the verge of pulling the trigger and going to Cambodia since I am just to reluctant to play Covid games in PI or Pattaya.

For what it is worth. And maybe to bring some value. I went to Jakarta Indo and had the same question. Although I PM'ed a few of you guys. Was very happy that BBFS was the standard.

Also. Seems Cambo might be cheaper. And I am just looking for some open minded ladies who are submissive but Condom sex isn't for me.Hi,

I confirm you that BBFS is a standard in Cambodia, especially in PP. Girls never ask you to put a condom! If they ask you, it's because they think you can pay them an extra to do it without.

Dragonfly22
04-20-22, 05:00
I was just in Cambodia, and I stayed at the Sun&Moon and also at the Lux Riverside. The Sun&Moon is way nicer (and very cheap right now), but it is definitely more rigid about their guest policy -- they require ID and a Vax card. Still, that only caused an issue once when I took back a girl who doesn't normally do bar fines (it worked out, I convinced the desk man to let it slide that she didn't have her vax card with). The Lux is older and has fewer amenities, but is more chill about guests. IMO, virtually anything above $30 in the riverside area will be fine.

One thing to note about your return journey is that a PCR test in Cambodia will set you back $130.Try the Pasteur Institute it's only $80 there.

GentileBear
04-20-22, 05:53
Hi,

I confirm you that BBFS is a standard in Cambodia, especially in PP. Girls never ask you to put a condom! If they ask you, it's because they think you can pay them an extra to do it without.Thank you Gilolo!

Any other words of wisdom? Are these ladies "nicer" and less "professional" than Pattaya? I enjoy long time and want to have the ladies over for the full night. I don't like short time gigs.

Anyway, thanks for your info!

Gilolo
04-23-22, 14:03
Thank you Gilolo!

Any other words of wisdom? Are these ladies "nicer" and less "professional" than Pattaya? I enjoy long time and want to have the ladies over for the full night. I don't like short time gigs.

Anyway, thanks for your info!Well it depends on the lady you take. The first time I was in Cambodia, I stay with the lady 1 full week! She was the most beautiful girl of PP for me. We fuck together everyday bareback! But when you stay long time with a girl, she costs you a lot of money. Not with cash! But when you're on holidays with her, you pay all visits, expensive hotels and you make her many gifts + cash you give her! So finally it's not so cheap!

But what I like to do is to mix, have this lady now few days and then go fuck ladies for short time too.

Love Traveller
04-30-22, 11:24
Finally got to visit the Phnom Penh. Stayed at Amanjaya Pancam Suites Hotel, a very short walk from 136. Choose to travel during their new years. Not a very wise idea.

Limited inventory. But ok. Not too great. 100 usd for a few hours. 150 usd for long. WOW & Amazing were the places we ended up every night, having checked out the other places before. Drinks - 4 usd for a Jack Coke, 4. 5 USd for ladies drink. Beer. 6 usd for Jack Coke for girls.

Everyone in the bar is available. Manager, cashier, the lot. Just ask for what you like.

Place wasnt as crowded at first. But got buzy closer to checkout dates.

Took a boat tour. Booked the whole boat for usd100 for 2 hrs. We were 6 guys and equivalent girls.

They fall in love so fast. Cry if we switch girls from the same bar.

Would I go back again, maybe.

Chop
06-04-22, 07:18
PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.

RakSopheni
06-05-22, 06:58
I'm currently in Pattaya, coming to Phnom Penh next week and looking forward to writing some reports for the forum. I was last in PP in 2019, it will be interesting to see how things have changed.

On their FB page I saw that Crycee was open- which is great because I remember this spot as being the only "sure thing" in a world of Drink Queen Hostess Bars- although the quality was often lacking. I'm wondering out loud if there are any other similar such establishments that have opened.

Currently in Pattaya there is a shortage of young, hot girls which is causing barfines, ST and LT inflate. I look forward to comparing this situation to Phnom Penh, which from the little written here and on other forums, seems to be faring a bit better.

See you guys soon.

RS.

Playboy2021
06-05-22, 16:32
I'm currently in Pattaya, coming to Phnom Penh next week and looking forward to writing some reports for the forum. I was last in PP in 2019, it will be interesting to see how things have changed.I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.

Chop
06-06-22, 05:31
Went out again last night (Sunday), and feel like I need to revise my previous report of "alive and kicking," from Friday night. It's alive, but things were substantially more subdued. Maybe because of the election, I don't know, but definitely slower than Friday. At least half of the businesses were closed. Still more providers than customers--and yes there are plenty of spinners in there for you picky guys--so don't be discouraged. Just not the same wide open feel I reported a few days ago.

RakSopheni
06-06-22, 06:01
I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.Hey Playboy,

I won't to go too long in my answer because the subject is not directly related to Phnom Penh, but it does include it in a general sense so I think it's OK.

I took a look at your post and saw you are a mid-thirties guy, probably could get good sex without any "help" so YMMV.

Like you said, I've spent a significant amount of time in Colombia, Caribbean and Brazil seeking BBFSCIP, CIM with petite spinners and I would say the short answer is LATAM is very sub-standard to SEA in that respect. It's possible to find those things there (LATAM), but unless you play the long SA game, want to pay extra with Centro and SF streetwalkers, its really hard to get anything more than a BJ uncovered. I mean it does happen, but it's rare and costly and doesn't flow naturally. You say its no problem for you, so maybe we have a different experience.

On the flipside, I'm having and have had amazing BBFSCIP, CIM in SEA on a daily, sometimes 2 girls a day for a reasonable price. The only reason I was mongering in LATAM is because SEA was closed 2020-2021. Now that things are up and running again it's doubtful I will return (maybe Rio but that's it). All the guys on the MDE forum fighting over Centro girls, and freezing your butt off in Bogota to try to score some 18 yr old Vennie for BBFS for 10 minutes now seems sort of sad too me.

The reason to monger exclusively in LATAM would be if you have a fetish for this Latinas, anal (in Brazil), speak fluent Spanish or Portuguese and or the cost and time to come to SEA is prohibitive to you.

Hope that helps.

RS.

Playboy2021
06-06-22, 16:31
Hope that helps.Very helpful. Thank you much. Guess I'm headed to SEA! Be well.

SGK45
06-08-22, 10:47
Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned. Lot of mongers do not haggle and pay more than they should. This is a bad trend in whole Asia. At this rate it will be cheaper to travel Amsterdam than travelling to Asia. Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.


PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.

Mitian 1994
06-08-22, 12:40
Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.

PayForIt
06-08-22, 16:38
Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.It is friendly. There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). So you may not even need to venue into town if you see someone you like. Though be warned. They are significantly more expensive than picking up girls in the girlie bars in town. Tuk Tuk to 136/130 is cheap and I have taken 2 girls back from pool bars to the hotel, even taken them into the casino, bought them drinks then up to the room despite it being very clear (from dress) that they are working girls. The hotel is split into Naga 1 and Naga 2 - not a lot of difference. I preferred 1 than 2 (fitness centre). Very unlikely you will have any issue on reception taking girls back.

Chop
06-10-22, 09:58
Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned.Any of the massage shops within the first couple blocks of the river plaza. Say from St 118 to St 154 ish. The tell is older women women working. Massage shop staff tend to be all youngsters or all older past their prime gals. The young ones look better but they ask more, and for my money the older ones are just plain better at it anyway. Also you usually get a decent massage. Fat chance of that with the young ones. For the record, the one I posted about was on St 148. Don't remember the name. I think it's the only one on 148 between the river and that rats nest of a market.

Careful trying this at shops outside the river district. I didn't, but I know from Thailand that a lot of the massage shops staffed by older women are not hand job joints. I would assume the same is true for the shops in the less sketchy parts of PP but again, I didn't try.


Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.Yeah, no DMs for me. Sorry.

Banana Boi
06-11-22, 02:59
There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?

RakSopheni
06-12-22, 07:04
I arrive at my hotel near Riverside at around 19:00 a bit tired, hungover and with a headache. That morning I triple teamed a z-pak, doxycycline, and ciprofloxacin just to root out any devious bacteria that might be silently lurking after 3 weeks tearing through Pattaya BB and it's making my head swim, some nausea and affecting my libido. Phnom Penh rush hour is not great either.

I've been messaging a provider I had a great experience with 3 years ago pre-pandemic who I also recently found on social media. At some point in the interim she stopped posting pictures of her body (which was hot) and now we just see shots of her face in tik tok videos singing sad songs and FB posts about being alone. She seems sad. Nevertheless I have this idealized image of her because of our amazing sex 3 years ago and so arrange to meet at her bar on 130 street. I dash through the rain and there she is, 3 years later. Same person, but yes she has gained some weight and now is not really doing it for me. We have an awkward drink- her personality was also much sexier 3 years ago. She- of course- did not remember me as I'm probably just one face, one dick, in a sea of anonymous sex that all blurs into one undifferentiated continuum. I tell her I just wanted to meet and will not be taking her back, she says that she's fine but I can tell she's a bit sad, especially because I expressed interest in the very young and hot girls slinking around the bar. I had to ask them and "no" they do not go with men "only drink". Looked a bit young in any case.

After a brief rest I'm back and this time on 136 street. I figure I will start at the top and work my way down to Riverside and so I walk up to the first group of presentable ladies on that end and choose one for a drink. She's 20, from a remote area of Cambodia, and speaks no English. Through google translate I also learn she is very new and inexperienced and seems a bit nervous. At first she says she doesn't do boom boom, but after a drink and my gentle persuasions, she seems up for the idea of yum yum. I made the mistake of asking a mamasan (or mamasan adjacent staff) to come sit with us and have some drinks. These drink bills really really add up my dudes. I always have the instinct to be generous and have a little party but my face always melts when I look at the drink bill alone, not even counting the barfine or ST rate.

At any event, the young lady agrees to give it a try for 50 USD. I think the barfine was around 12 USD, and we are soon back in my hotel. This girl is very beautiful and young, a kind of innocence exudes from her- which is great and everything but doesn't really do it for me so much. We take it slow and ease into a gentle blowjob- which is ok and it's nice to see such a beautiful woman down there, but I really need that hot action, eye contact, etc- so I'm only at ¾ mast. On the bed I give her a couple of fingers which she really really seems to enjoy and she continues the BJ a bit. I try to finish on her face, but she looked like she really didn't want it, and it's super hard for me to finish in those conditions so I just give up after a while. Didn't get around to sex or anything but I got the feel that BBFS was on the table if we had. I'm sure another man would've been banging her silly, but I respond to these non-verbal queues and really need it to be a collaboration not a lesson. I knew this was the risk in taking a new, young, inexperienced girl- but so be it. We have some nice pillow talk and she is on her way $50 richer, pondering if maybe she should go with men more and start making some real money.

I'm starting to feel a bit sicker- my head is swimming- but I'm also frustrated that I haven't shot my shot yet. I resolve to go to a bar and just have a beer- so I chose one right by my hotel. Of course a lady inside forces the drink issue- I tell her I'm not interested and just want a beer and she says she understands, but somehow end up buying her a beer. I try to ask her questions about the Hostess Bar scene and get some info, but honestly she's not very useful. I tell her I'm sad because I haven't shot my shot yet- and she pulls over a cute girl, petite with large breasts and says this girl could help me out- that she really knows what she's doing in the BJ category and would be happy to allow a finish in mouth. In my inebriated state I start to think this might be a good idea and just what I need. I hold up a $50 which she snatches from my hand and says lets go to your hotel. I'm not sure why I allowed this- I think I probably was visibly drunk and also feeling sick.

It's at this time as we walk out the door I realize this girl is walking with some sort of scoliosis limp and is not a fully abled person. My stomach sinks as I realize I just agreed to ST with what Americans would call a handicap person. At that point it seemed like it was a done deal so I just rolled with it, still clinging to the hope I could shoot my shot. Up in the room, things get even worse when it turns out that the promises made by the other girl prove false, that this girl is actually a nanny- she's only worked at the bar 1 week, has never gone with a man, and has not sucked a dick in years. Nevertheless I give it the old college try but in between her giggles and me fully realizing I'm having a handicap person give me a blowjob- any blood that might've been in my dick slowly drains away leaving a limp little jelly worm in its place. Sitting in a chair I slump over her, and she somewhat rescues the situation by giving me an amazing head massage, and then we go to the bed and gives me an amazing back massage. I ask her about her life and she sympathizes with me. So not a total loss because it was very relaxing- but clearly I made a terrible, terrible choice in a moment of weakness. Good story though.

I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.

Sam Sanuk
06-13-22, 12:19
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I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.

MrClen
06-13-22, 22:52
Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.I am an older guy and greatly prefer the KTV type experience where you can really get to have some fun, and have rarely been disappointed. The massage HJ is, for me, a real waist of time unless a good veggie message is what I want. My only 2 KTV visits in PP were great where the girls did not wear panties and little was off the menu. BBFS was no problem as was BJCIM. Never tried the bar street except to get something to eat. Stayed at NAGA World.

RakSopheni
06-14-22, 07:51
If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

I've been hanging out with my provider form 3 years ago who I no longer find sexually attractive- called her over for a BJ one rainy Sunday night and ended up just talking- which was nice, and then hung out and drank with her again last night at her friends / families restaurant / shop. She's more like a romantic friend- I kiss her and hold her, tell her my troubles with the scene here, but am not interested in sex with her.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste.

Lest anyone reading this think that the problem is some whiny dude with chronic ED, please go back and read my Pattaya reports from the previous 3 weeks in which I am having sex multiple times a day with 2, sometimes 3 girls in one day. Perhaps the obvious problem is that I am treating Phnom Penh as Pattaya and my expectations are severely miscalibrated. Hopefully some honesty is helpful as well- all too often the forum becomes some sort of unrealistic fantasy-scape in which every poster has TT Boy stamina and Peter North cumshots and it becomes a bit much. I might be guilty of this at times. Negative reports are just as useful as positive.

Moving forward I am shifting my strategy- I am no longer going to be going out with the expectation of sex, but with the intent really just to meet potential girls that might satisfy my specifications and might be available at some point for a session- rather than looking to shoot my shot right that night. It's going to be a lot of work making my way through what seems like hundreds of Hostess Bars on 136,130 and 118 drink by drink- but I think that's the only way. More often than not it seems that the girls are just there for the drink money and aren't really providers.

Once again, any board members that can help me hack this scene, and advice is appreciated. I'm only here for a week or so but I don't want it to be a total loss.

In case it's not already clear, Phnom Penh is not Pattaya.

RS.

RakSopheni
06-14-22, 07:56
Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.
These are all solid suggestions thanks Sam. I think that there's just no way around the work that the whole process requires and that's really what I'm having a problem with. So many hot girls walking around here- but only a fraction of them are really available for you and its a time and money intense process trying to determine who is who.

RS.

SouthEaster
06-14-22, 09:48
OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?

Muzungufotsy
06-14-22, 16:50
If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste..Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it. Cyrcee used to be a sure thing. Well 70 $ to find out the girl s body is awful this would never happen before. Anyway I would tell the manager to send another girl instead. That shouldn't be a problem if it s still the French guy.

As for the ripoff hostess bars I don't spend time or money to listen to these girls BS. I m the customer I m here to get laid period. All the rest is useless. If I want a GF I go to temple not to hostess bar.

Dave The Expl
06-15-22, 01:18
OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?Is there a fruit version where they use durian spikes like acupuncture? Just don't use to much pressure because if it breaks open the smell will drive everyone out of the building LOL.

RakSopheni
06-15-22, 05:28
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for. Simply put, the depth of the talent pool is just not there, and the discovery interface is inefficient and unpleasant. It's a real boner killer walking into these places being swarmed by literally 12 not attractive girls, finally choosing the least unattractive one just to make the rest go away, and then gulping down a beer as quickly as possible to get the hell out of there. I did spot a lady or two at a high end bar half-way up 136, but I'm so disgusted with this scene and with expectations of difficulties it doesn't even seem worth it. I am hanging up the hat.

I never hit 104 street and although it's probably slightly better I would expect largely the same. And yes, I know there are freelancers that are a sure thing at Pontoon nightclub but I'm a middle-aged man- I hate nightclubs and staying up until 3 am just to get some poon. The other thing here is the cost- $40-60 for short time, plus a minimum $25 drinks plus barfine gets you to about $80. In Pattaya I was banging hot, experienced spinners BBFSCIP for 1000-1500 baht ST ($28-$42). So why would I pay a $50 premium for a scene that is more difficult and inefficient, for ladies who are not as good looking, and for girls who don't have a clue how to please me in bed? Why would anyone? Did I mention it's hot as hell here- probably a few degrees F above Pattaya.

Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.

RakSopheni
06-15-22, 05:29
Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it. 100% agree.

RakSopheni
06-15-22, 18:15
So I'm sitting in Ostro on 136 street having probably way too many $. 75 draft Angkors and some food and I notice all the sudden a group of legitimately hot girls cross the street in a flock and filter into a bar I haven't been into or seen anyone outside of- TOP 136 Night Life Lounge. (picture attached). Hmm, this is interesting- I know I have sworn off the nightlife here and am just passing through but my curiosity is piqued.

I finish my beers and spring rolls and saunter over to the brightly lit facade with a bit of a buzz on- the interior is beautiful, someone spent some real money-opulent couches and decor. All the girls are crouched at a table / booth / sofa thing immersed in their phones and don't even look up as I come in. Hmmm, different. This waiter fellow tries to shuffle me as usual to a booth / couch but I brush him off and head towards the bar where I order a.$5 beer. In Cambodia beers are like $1. 50. This is quite a premium and I mention that to the clearly gay with bleached hair waiter guy who seems flummoxed by my presence and I get the feeling he wants me to leave but just can't come out and say it, I also notice the menu is mostly in Chinese with small English subtitles.

Keep in mind I am the only customer in the bar and it is around 23:30. You could say business is not great. I walk over to the group of girls and just sort of stand their stupidly for a good 3 minutes looking at them. None of them even look up. Hmmm, ok. I guess maybe I'm in the wrong category of customer. I take my $5 beer and walk outside to another group of girls- mind you these are the hottest girls I've seen all week, and the exact same thing. Not one girl even looks up from her phone- which would be fine and everything if this were the real world- but I thought this was a hooker bar in a desperately poor country and again- did I mention I'm the only customer in the place that is probably thousands in debt a depressed post-pandemic economy.

Another waitress comes up to talk to me and I try to get the story. Why are these girls ignoring me? Is this a Chinese bar for Chinese men? It's ok, you can tell me and if that's the case I will just leave. Not a problem. She tries to say, no all people welcome here. I cut her off and say, you know what, forget it, I don't even want this beer. I put the untouched $5 beer down on a table and begin to walk off. "Thank you, come again-" No. I cut her off. I will not be coming again.

One more reason to stay the fuck out of Phnom Penh.

RS.

MrClen
06-15-22, 22:35
OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?A veggie massage is a good massage by someone who know's what they are doing! No Sex, no HJ, No BJ. Just a good real massage. If anyone here is familiar with China and the good old days of Chang Ping and Chang an. Anything goes KTV's with hundreds of beautiful girls to chose from, but also a great massage shop where a good veggie massage was a great way to spend an afternoon.

Sammon
06-16-22, 00:50
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers.

I never hit 104 street and although it's probably slightly better I would expect largely the same. And yes, I know there are freelancers that are a sure thing at Pontoon nightclub but I'm a middle-aged man- I hate nightclubs and staying up until 3 am just to get some poon. The other thing here is the cost- $40-60 for short time, plus a minimum $25 drinks plus barfine gets you to about $80. In Pattaya I was banging hot, experienced spinners BBFSCIP for 1000-1500 baht ST ($28-$42). So why would I pay a $50 premium for a scene that is more difficult and inefficient, for ladies who are not as good looking, and for girls who don't have a clue how to please me in bed? Why would anyone? Did I mention it's hot as hell here- probably a few degrees F above Pattaya.


Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.My first time going to Cambodia was with my young, very pretty Thai girl working in a bank who I was with few years till it got sticky.

Anyway we went all over including sihanoukville, Angkor what etc. We had a great time. Did go to some dancing places in Phnom Penh and saw lots of freelancers. So after that I went alone at least 5 times. Most of the time I hooked up with freelancers and some stayed with me couple of days of great fun with no condom. One even would cook food and bring it over because she knows I like clams. Did go to some hostess bars and it was a hit and miss to get GFE. This was few years ago and maybe things have changed. I have also stayed at Naga and picked up quite pretty girls. Yes, the cost is higher. But get nice free buffet dinner on casino floor restaurant. Good food, even took some girls there.

It is true unlike Thai bargirls anything goes Cambodia girls are more reserved and will not like kinky things including anal. But plenty of girls were available for fun. Yes, it is true clubs get going after 11 pm and gets jam packed by midnight. Easy to score. Will get GFE.

Planning to go November and see how things are.

Axel Heyst
06-16-22, 04:00
My first time going to Cambodia was with my young, very pretty Thai girl working in a bank who I was with few years till it got sticky.

Anyway we went all over including sihanoukville, Angkor what etc. We had a great time.

Did go to some hostess bars and it was a hit and miss to get GFE. This was few years ago and maybe things have changed. I have also stayed at Naga and picked up quite pretty girls. Yes, the cost is higher.

It is true unlike Thai bargirls anything goes Cambodia girls are more reserved and will not like kinky things including anal. But plenty of girls were available for fun. Yes, it is true clubs get going after 11 pm and gets jam packed by midnight. Easy to score. Will get GFE.

Planning to go November and see how things are.Bingo! I have always liked Cambodia and Khmer girls. The first time I went to Cambodia back in 2002. I went solo and I had a great time. The Angkor complex was amazing and at night there was this great combination massage parlor / nightclub in town with lots of pretty girls. The price back then was an astronomical $50 per session for a club girl and I took heat from certain quarters for going along with the pricing and posting about it, but fuck it, I had a great time.

The Phnom Penh hostess bars and hostess girls were a super lot of fun back then in 2002 too. In fact, at the time I kind of preferred Phnom Penh over BKK or Pattaya even though it was never point and shoot place like Thailand. But I really liked Khmer girls thanks to their offbeat, funky, and very demure personalities. I just loved them! And up to 2009 the price for a hostess girl, any hostess girl, was "up to you" which usually meant $15 to $20 per session at the "expensive" hostess bars which included as many shots as I liked per session. It was a memorable time!

Then things changed after the 2009 bar crackdown. Prices started going up and in 2011 I encountered my 1st buy me drink only hostess bar girl. But I still liked the place despite all that because Khmer girls are very very sweet, ect, and I soon learned how to identify the buy me drink only girls and cut short the interview when I was with one. But I admit that after the bar crackdown things were never quite the same and the situation was no longer amazing because under the new way of doing things, many times the prettiest, most desirable girl in the hostess bar was, you guessed it, a buy me drink girl and I hated that.

But then I discovered Darling Darling at Naga World. Darling Darling FL's were among the prettiest hookers in Phnom and there was no drink BS. These girls were all there at the bar for one reason only; to get picked up. So, my PP strategy evolved. I would give the hostess girls first crack to have me in the early part of the evening, but if I had not found a hostess girl to my liking by 11 pm, I would just headed over to Darling Darling where I always found very attractive and very willing girls to take back to my hotel. This was around 2016-2017. Again, I took a lot of criticism from certain punters for posting about picking up $100 Darling Darling FL's, but fuck that. I will never shag a girl I find unattractive merely because she is inexpensive ($30-$40). Anyway, the Darling Darling girls from 2016 and onwards always seemed worth it to me because the girls were very attractive, the sex was great, and the sessions lasted as long as I liked, plus there was never any drinky drinky BS.

I am sure that is why my pal, BananaBoi, asked this question a few days ago:


Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?It is too bad no one in Phnom Penh answered his question.

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06-16-22, 06:16
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Sam Sanuk
06-16-22, 10:57
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines..I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.

Sam.

Sam Sanuk
06-16-22, 11:01
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way..I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1.50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

I'm thinking a bit more research on your part might make your next visit, if any, more pleasurable.

Sam.

Chop
06-17-22, 04:07
I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.

RakSopheni
06-17-22, 05:10
I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. .Hi Sam, I really appreciate your thoughtful, supportive and polite manner despite our obvious disagreement on the subject. Many people would've lashed out with ad hominems and I will be the first to admit that my writing on this subject has been suffused with more than a little bit of blubbering self-pity and hyperbole. You make some excellent points and I'm sure many people have had and will have a great time in the scene here. I myself did 3 years ago but in hindsight I think I just got really lucky. On any given night, there does indeed exist the possibility, if not probability to score.


Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.
Funnily enough I recently had a conversation with the admin of one of these groups if not this very one on FB messenger and he said something that resonated with me- that at any given bar there are only 1-2 girls available for "take-away". This is the crucial point here and maybe not as you suggest something amiss with my presentation which I'm sure is acceptable.

I think there is a taxonomic difference between Hostess Bars and H**ker Bars that should be articulated and is the crux of the matter. In a Hostess Bar, as you will find in Phnom Penh, the emphasis is on companionship and entertaining the men, not on creating a brothel / bordello vibe where the girls are de facto available for sex. Yes, some of them are, and the possibility does exist, but the main purpose seems to be something else entirely. This is purely speculative, but I feel like it relates to the Asian practice more broadly of creating after work or vacation environments for business men to relax and socialize in the company of women. As such it is a social, group activity and not a lone pursuit of sexual gratification. This seems to be the case in Phnom Penh.

A H**ker Bar or Girly Bar as they are called in Thailand and Philippines is entirely different. Sure, some of the girls are not available for "take away" and they always have the right of refusal, but generally rather than refusing out right they will give you a very high price or otherwise look unenthusiastic and pined about it. They know that the expectation is there for them to go with men-it is the rule rather than the exception. Sure many men in Thailand will enjoy the company of women in a slow, non sexual manner similar to the Hostess Bar of Phnom Penh, but in places like Soi 6, and Soi Pothole, the overwhelming emphasis is on taking girls for sex. These places would go out of business immediately if only 1-2 of the 10 or so girls were available for you to enjoy carnally. A full 75% of Thailand red-light district business would vanish if this were the case.

I would speculate that attitude difference comes in part from the fact that Thai culture, Isaan specifically, is Matrilineal or Matriarchal and there is an enormous expectation on these ladies to provide for their families and send money back to their mothers, who encourage them to go into the business and probably were once part of it. Every single Thai working girl I have known exists in such a dynamic, where she sends money to her mother who is taking care of her child and as such they can't always afford just to sip drinks and laugh at farang jokes as they get groped. I doubt the Khmer dynamic is significantly divergent, but there seems to be a cultural difference here with more of a Patriarchal dynamic and more socially conservative attitudes. A girl working at a Hostess Bar can claim truthfully to a potential suitor that she is still a Virgin- as many of them are.

I would recommend Phnom Penh for a more sensitive and less sex crazed monger perhaps in the 55-65 age range. The slow approach and less emphasis on a fast track to boom boom will probably be more enjoyable for this type of guy, and as you say Sam, the prices for this type of past-time here are not bad at all. However, looking at Numbeo a comparison of Pattaya and Phnom Penh does reveal a significant (25-45%) savings in cost of living in Pattaya.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Thailand&city1=Pattaya&country2=Cambodia&city2=Phnom+Penh.

Thanks for this board for reading my reportage, which in the cold light of day sometimes veers into self-pitying blather. I hope it has been useful for someone. I wish I had known before what I know now. I had an amazing experience here 3 years ago but am now thinking it was a lucky convergence more than anything. I doubt I will return to Phnom Penh, but for many people this is the ideal location and for those that enjoy it, I will not besmirch you your pleasures.

RS.

Muzungufotsy
06-17-22, 19:17
I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.

Chop
06-18-22, 11:29
So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.The only reason I'm down on SR at the moment is because it's so heavily tourist dependent, and the recent re-opening hasn't brought back the tourists yet. There's 20 touts waiting to pounce on every tourist and it's extremely annoying. I'm sure in another six months (or whatever post-covid recovery actually takes) it'll be back to good times.

As to the 15/20 years ago thing: I take all that with a huge grain of salt. If I've learned anything about my fellow expats it's that anyone that's been here a week longer than you will regale you endlessly about how great it was back in the good old days. I only care about right now, and right now both Thailand and Cambodia are pretty damned good.

RakSopheni
06-19-22, 06:10
Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. I just spent a week in Cambodia after a month in Thailand and came to the opposite conclusion. What do people say is better about Cambodia, I just can't see it no matter how hard I look and ask? Conversely I had a great time in Thailand and am having a great time on Philippines, getting more sex in 24 hours here in Angeles than 1 week in PP.

RS.

Meo Den
06-19-22, 07:54
The Phnom Penh hostess bars and hostess girls were a super lot of fun back then in 2002 too. In fact, at the time I kind of preferred Phnom Penh over BKK or Pattaya even though it was never point and shoot place like Thailand. The hostess bars in 2002 ?

I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?

JimboCojones
06-19-22, 19:36
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for...Sad to hear that you had such a bad experience. I do understand your troubles though, it is very annoying when the girl suddenly is starting to act up when you're trying to take her out of the bar. That has still only happened 4-5 times to me which might be 25% of the times I've tried to take a girl out of the bar.

So while it can be very tricky at times, I don't think telling people to stay away from Phnom Penh is fair. There is plenty of sex to be had but it's just a bit different than Thailand and The Philippines. You can always ask the other staff in the bar as well which of the girls would like to go. They're not shy to help a friend out. VIP rooms can be a lot of fun as well if you have some cash to splurge. That does require some connections though which is not easy to find.

What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothels. It takes a while to figure out what is what. Prices are also all over the place when you're a foreigner. But I try not to exceed the fees I would pay in Thailand for similar services.

Meo Den
06-20-22, 07:46
What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothelsI'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.

JimboCojones
06-20-22, 10:55
I'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.Sure we can exchange some information.

Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.

They send a few girls into the room and you can choose from them. Like the soapys in Bangkok they have bath tubs so the girl will wash you first. I know of 2 of these places but I'm sure there are more. The girls are from VN and seem to be in their early 20's. Fun experience but with my budget it's nothing I can do too often. I used to go to Massa quite often where I paid $10 for the massage and usually 30-40 bucks to the girl. Unfortunately they closed that place during the pandemic. There were also a few similar places in hotels, found the addresses online, but these didn't seem to survive COVID either. Cyrcee is usually fun but last time I went in the talent was not there. I'the like to support the guy though, as I like his business model.

Axel Heyst
06-20-22, 15:16
The hostess bars in 2002 ?

I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?The term "Hostess Bars" merely refers to the girly bars you will find on several side streets off the riverside (Preah Sisowath Quay) like 104st, 130st, and 136st. They are small bars usually with 5 to 25 girls. Just walk down these side streets after 8:30 pm and you will find lots of friendly faces. It is entertaining.

Back in 2002 my favorite Hostess Bar was Rose Bar on 104st. I had many good times in there. I think Rose Bar is still open. Check it out as well as the other bars on the above mentioned side streets. Lineups change week to week, month to month, so I have no idea which bars have the prettiest girls right now. You just have to go there and find out. The set up is a little like Soi 6 in Pattaya only Phnom Penh hostess bar girls are for take out except the buy me drink only hostess girls which we have been talking about recently and are generally a waste of time and money.

I remember back in 2015 I met this very sexy girl in Oasis Bar on 136st. I spent a lot of time with her and tried every thing I knew, applied all my charm and game, to get her to go to my hotel with me on several nights and all I got from her was a lot of in bar DFK, dirty dancing, tittie palming, under the table mutual groping & dick massages, and a large bar tab, 555, but she never let me shag her. But I still love her. Ha Ha Ha. The lesson I learned: don't waste a lot of time or money on buy me drink only hostess girls no matter how sexy cute they are.

Meo Den
06-22-22, 12:47
Sure we can exchange some information.

Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.

I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

Where is the ghost of Noktang?

I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2w

JimboCojones
06-23-22, 10:05
I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

Where is the ghost of Noktang?

I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2wNo, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.

Meo Den
06-24-22, 08:13
No, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.So as discussed, could you share some names and locations of these places?

$10 + circa $50 in a big complex with saunas and baths doesn't sound like too bad a deal.

Neidermeyer
07-09-22, 15:46
Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess.

I've got a great deal on a suite in Sun and Moon so I will check with the hotel as RacShack suggested and report back. And if I can dodge Covid from now until the my departure I'll post my experiences. First time out of Singapore for 3 years. Can't wait.

Cheers.

Norman.Gentlemen,

I contacted Sun and Moon to inquire about their current policies. FYI, below is the response I received.

"Unregistered Guest / Visitor Policy.

For security reasons the joiner / unregistered guest must register at front desk with his / her original ID card or passport. No copies are accepted. This identification document will be kept and sign the visitor form at the Front Office during his / her stay with SUN & MOON. The identification document will be returned upon check out, after confirmation by in-house guest via internal phone call.

-Unregistered guest must be above 18 years old and he / she will stay at his / her own risk and hotel management will not take any responsibility in any case of dispute, lost, damage or any injuries.

-Unregistered guest fee will be charged at USD 10.00 net without breakfast (Fee for towels, amenities etc.) unless guest book for double occupancy.

-Unregistered guest breakfast will be charged extra at USD 12.00 net per person.

-Vaccination Card will be required upon arrival (all kind of guests) and STRONGLY need to temperature test and other rollout SOP. ".

It seems like a potential hassle in the event the girl doesn't have all required info so I'm going to look for another place. Thanks for info.

Cheers,

Neidermeyer.

Mano112
07-11-22, 16:03
Hello Everyone.

I was planning my trip to Cambodia after 5 -6 days in Pattaya booked the TAO suite. Last trip pre covid was great in PP even though I was much more overweight then. However it seems that after covid19 things have changed in PP. I have had a hard time in Pattaya too cause I'm also Indian but was manageable. PP was still good. But recent reports have really made me concerned about PP especially since this will be the last time I will be visiting these destinations. Should I just ditch Pp and extend my stay in Pattaya? How bad is it in PP compared to Thailand?

Will also spend a few days in Malaysia, visiting a friend.
Thanks in advance guys.

Explorer8939
07-13-22, 07:24
I am staying at the Sun & Moon Urban hotel, nestled in amongst many lady bars. No lack of young ladies in the bars, but I brought a Cambodian lady with me. Next time, I come alone, for sure.

Gunners1
07-26-22, 02:56
Dear all.

I have my maiden trip to phnom penh coming up in September. I am planning on staying at the rosewood hotel. I would greatly help if you could advise of that is a girl friendly hotel and if it is an ideal location to all the bars and night life.

Thanks in advance.

G.

Sam Sanuk
07-26-22, 06:55
Dear all.

I have my maiden trip to phnom penh coming up in September. I am planning on staying at the rosewood hotel. I would greatly help if you could advise of that is a girl friendly hotel and if it is an ideal location to all the bars and night life..For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.

Gunners1
07-27-22, 14:50
Thanks SS.

I dropped you a DM.

G.


For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.

Dion Cassius
07-29-22, 15:55
For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.This is very good advice.

Dion Cassius
07-29-22, 16:00
But recent reports have really made me concerned about PP I don't see any source of concern regarding Phnom Penh. And I live there. What are you referring to?

SouthEaster
07-30-22, 07:39
I was there just a few weeks ago. I am wondering about these reports too. Reports about what?

Sam Sanuk
07-31-22, 00:26
I was there just a few weeks ago. I am wondering about these reports too. Reports about what?Mano noted that he is Indian. There are many reports of a lot of ladies (at least in Thailand) refusing to do business with Indian men. It may be that there is a Hindi group that Mano belongs to that describes concerns not expressed on this and other boards.

I'll be in Cambo for 5 weeks starting next month. I don't foresee any concerns. I haven't heard of any new reasons for concern.

SS.

Mano112
08-01-22, 06:47
Mano noted that he is Indian. There are many reports of a lot of ladies (at least in Thailand) refusing to do business with Indian men. It may be that there is a Hindi group that Mano belongs to that describes concerns not expressed on this and other boards.

I'll be in Cambo for 5 weeks starting next month. I don't foresee any concerns. I haven't heard of any new reasons for concern.

SS.Thanks for replying. I ended up not going to PP and extended my stay in Pattaya. Had a good time there. The reports I was referring to were those in the forums here in which people mentioned the scene is dead in Pp and girls don't go out with you just make you buy drinks. I also spoke to some old pp contacts and they were so rude to me. I didn't want to take any chances and I was doing good in Pattaya so pushed through. Indians face problems in Pattaya that is there but I go alone and dress up well. In spite of this I used to get rejected. The gogo bars do push us Indians extra for lady drinks but I decided to cave in. My average gogo bill was 1400-1500 baht. I don't know when or if at all I would come back so didn't care much. Making money is a lot lot more difficult in India than western countries hence we in general are so frugal plus a weaker currency. But this is not Pattaya problem right. Anyways I'm sure in the next decade half of Pattaya will cater to Indians only. There is a hell lot of Indian investment I saw this time. Easily 60-70% men were Indians on walking street. The Siam Bayshore hotel was packed with Indians. Also for a long period of time Pattaya definitely has more entertainment it's a bigger playground plus the scene is getting better. Girls have come in in spite of the low season all this is because of covid. The weed scene is going to be the next big thing here. It was a roller coaster ride but had fun.

Mano112
08-01-22, 06:56
I don't see any source of concern regarding Phnom Penh. And I live there. What are you referring to?Some earlier posts on this forum by other users mentioned not having a great time in Pp for multiple reasons. I ended up not going. In lady bars you may buy drinks but the girls won't go out with you those reports plus other things I read. I was enjoying Pattaya so extended my stay there. In fact as per my initial plan I was going to stay in Pp for most of time because my 2019 pp trip was good. Also being Indian didn't matter in Cambodia as much it did in Pattaya. I also spoke to some old pp contacts they were also rude to me and so all this made me not go.

RakSopheni
08-01-22, 14:53
Some earlier posts on this forum by other users mentioned not having a great time in Pp for multiple reasons. I ended up not going. In lady bars you may buy drinks but the girls won't go out with you those reports plus other things I read. I was enjoying Pattaya so extended my stay there. Infact as per my initial plan I was going to stay in Pp for most of time because my 2019 pp trip was good. Also being Indian didn't matter in Cambodia as much it did in Pattaya. I also spoke to some old pp contacts they were also rude to me and so all this made me not go.You might be referring to my posts from earlier in the summer, and good call on avoiding- I personally have no interest in returning. I've said it before and I will say it again- if you are used to the point and shoot ease of Pattaya, Phnom Penh is jarring and discouraging. Only a couple of girls at each bar are available for take-out and they are usually older and less attractive.

It could be that PP enthusiasts that post here often have become acclimated to this situation and / or have a different mode of mongering that involves a longer investment of time and energy and is based more on conversations and relationship building. I think PP would be well suited for a permanent expat with a lower sex drive that wanted a P4 P girlfriend or two, but for the short time tourist looking for quick sex, it is largely a wash.

RS.

Dion Cassius
08-01-22, 16:38
You might be referring to my posts from earlier in the summer, and good call on avoiding- I personally have no interest in returning. I've said it before and I will say it again- if you are used to the point and shoot ease of Pattaya, Phnom Penh is jarring and discouraging. Only a couple of girls at each bar are available for take-out and they are usually older and less attractive.

It could be that PP enthusiasts that post here often have become acclimated to this situation and / or have a different mode of mongering that involves a longer investment of time and energy and is based more on conversations and relationship building. I think PP would be well suited for a permanent expat with a lower sex drive that wanted a P4 P girlfriend or two, but for the short time tourist looking for quick sex, it is largely a wash.

RS.I understand that Phnom Penh isn't as large a playground as Pattaya and it is true that my point of view might be different from a tourist's perspective. Nevertheless, I know plenty of mongers who keep coming back to PP, so it cannot be so bad.

After COVID, a lot of girls were back in the bars and "hungry".

RakSopheni
08-01-22, 17:26
I understand that Phnom Penh isn't as large a playground as Pattaya and it is true that my point of view might be different from a tourist's perspective. Nevertheless, I know plenty of mongers who keep coming back to PP, so it cannot be so bad.
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.

MrClen
08-01-22, 22:48
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.I lived in Bangkok many years ago. It was during Nam and I was there for one year. AHHH! Those were the days! I don'[think I would go back now as I am 80 years old and in good shape, but the "point and shoot" is not my thing. I now go to China quite often (before Covid) and love the KTV'S. An evenings fun, singing, dancing, and play time then off to your hotel with your pick or picks for the night. No interest in a quick in and out, next, that's for the 20 year olds. I have been to KTV in Cambodia and plenty of beautiful girls and good times. Visited the 136 street and others but didn't do much for me. My point is that if you are looking for as many as you can do in short period of time, then Thailand is probably the place for you.

Dion Cassius
08-03-22, 09:25
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.The answer is very simple: business opportunity. Plus, I already knew the country pretty well. I agree with you, traffic in PP can be a real pain but it can be mitigated if you ride a motorcycle as I do, and there are better options for mongering: Thailand and the Philippines for example. But I am far happier in PP than in Beirut where I used to live before.

Rick Rock
08-15-22, 15:11
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.The ability to walk off of a plane unannounced and purchase a visa.

The ability to extend that visa indefinitely with no questions asked with $150.

Use of the US dollar.

The fact that foreigners are basically left alone and not bothered at all unless / until they fuck up in a way that causes police attention.

Nothing like it in Asia.

Of course it is still a third world country. But unlike say Malaysia or Thailand, it doesn't try to pretend otherwise.