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Nandu
04-16-09, 13:54
Friends,

Planning to stay for a couple of nights in PP, which is preferred, Flamingo(current reports are bad)or Cozyna?. Cozyna doesnt have a direct reservation system?

Funnyfello

Dreams1973
04-17-09, 07:41
The concierge girls are more expensive than others normally $100 but they are far superior to the standard martini or heart of darkness girls.Hi,

What do you mean about concierge girls? Are they the girls that the concierge can send to you or directly the girls of the concierge. Sorry but I'm worried to do something wrong.

Hotman 666
04-17-09, 08:35
I stayed at Cozyna twice last year.

It was OK. Good location. A/C works, shower OK and staff are helpfull (what more does a man need?)

No breakfast at hotel but plenty of places within 20 yards of hotel.

In my oppinion good value for money (but, as allways, YMMV!)

Re booking, I emailed them then spoke by phone. No problem. My room was ready when I arived (mid morning.)

Enjoy,

Hotman.

Aussie Fella
04-18-09, 14:53
I stayed at Cozyna twice last year.

It was OK. Good location. A/C works, shower OK and staff are helpfull (what more does a man need?)

No breakfast at hotel but plenty of places within 20 yards of hotel.

In my oppinion good value for money (but, as allways, YMMV!)

Re booking, I emailed them then spoke by phone. No problem. My room was ready when I arived (mid morning.)

Enjoy,

Hotman.Thanks for the tip. I've not been to PP yet so please forgive my newbie questions. Is this hotel girl friendly and how close is it to the 'action'?

I've booked a trip for November (so far away.. sigh) and want to start thinking about where to stay and an itinerary for my time in the country.

AncntFornicatr
04-19-09, 03:59
Try by yourself and you will have the answer.

Personaly in 7 years I never get rip off in Cambodian brothels, but I have some friends that live in phnom penh, from untac period, they speak khmer and it was happened to them to be rip off in local brothels. And I can tell you they are not liars.

Well, to answer my own question I did some shopping. Same guy at the door and he takes me inside and I ask him where the Yumyum girl is. He points out a 6 or 7 and I say OK.

Then I ask him what happened to the little spinner I saw a couple of days ago. He says the little short one, and I say yes. He goes into the back room and comes out with the little spinner I had seen before. She does not look happy about being returned to the action.

Was she on a break, finished for the day? Who knows but I want to try her anyway, one to s__K and one to f__k.

The door man's English is not much better than my Khmer so getting the idea of two girls at one time is a little difficult but he finally figures out what I want and says OK. Two girls for $20. Pay in advance.

I give him the $20 and the three of us go upstairs. There is some confusion about which room to go into. We start into one and a local is going in there with a girl. We go into a different room and I notice this one has the coat hooks on the wall next to the door. As I take off my clothes and hang them up the little spinner moves my clothes toward the door and hangs hers up where mine was.

Convenient or troubling? Who cares as I had $22 bucks in my pocket when I got here and I gave him $20 of that. Of course, there is no wallet or credit cards in my pocket.

We climb onto the bed and the problems start. They want to give me a massage and insist that I lay on my belly. The short one climbs onto my back and start to massage my shoulders. Obviously in this position I can't see the door. So I roll over and she is now sitting on my chest and I tell Yumyum to get to work.

She is giving me a hand job and doesn't want to shift gears. I tell LittleOne to kneel up so I can play with her pussy. She does not want to let me up and keeps sitting on my chest. We get into a wrestling match and I finally flip her on her ass as Yumyum is not doing anything for me and Little one is pissing me off.

So I tell them to get to work as I know that these places are time limited and somebody is going to be banging on the door pretty soon. We get into an argument about what is going to happen next and I finally tell them to fu__k off and I start putting my clothes on. This does not seem to bother them at all.

We get downstairs and I tell the door man what a pair of bitches he has got how poorly I was treated and that if I don't get my money back I will never come back and I will send diseased monkeys to play with his children. From the look on his face when I start, I realize that my happiness is not high on his list of things to worry about right now.

As I head out the door I reach into my pocket and discover that the girls have indeed stolen my two bucks. I guess I will never know if the poor performance was due to the shortage of money they snatched or if they knew I would not be back once I realized they got into my pockets.

AF

AncntFornicatr
04-19-09, 04:21
Friends,

Planning to stay for a couple of nights in PP, which is preferred, Flamingo(current reports are bad)or Cozyna?. Cozyna doesnt have a direct reservation system?

Funnyfello

I read the negative report and if that had happen to me I would have been pissed. When I make a reservation I spell out that I want the $25 room and when I check in I verify the price.
The staff is always cheerful and pleasant and when the Wifi in the room shuts down, a phone call to the desk gets an immediate reply and it usually is fixed in a few minutes. Sometimes the whole Internet, which is available in the lobby if you don't have a notebook, is down and we all wait for it to come up.

The breakfast is certainly not up to the standards of the Nana buffet in BK but it is convenient and for me the fruit plate is fine to start the day.

It is a block from Walkabout and across the street from Shanghai and right on the corner is Black Cat. Heart of Darkness and Howies Bar are 100 meters down Street 51 St.

When the girl leaves I always get a call from the front desk asking me if it is ok for her to leave. They are protective without being intrusive.

The rooms are not large but have a big window and the bed is not too bad. The bathroom is small but not a problem.

I have never stayed at Cozyna so i can't compare. You will enjoy PP wherever you stay.

AF

Member #4698
04-19-09, 17:20
Night 3:

Day # 3 began with breakfast at the French coffee shop on 241st. Café latte and mango pancakes. Then I walked over to Sentosa Silk to be measured for a silk shirt. I wandered around the riverfront; bought some DVD’s and made a repeat visit to Lake Baille. I continued my walking tour and had lunch at a nice riverside cafe. Again, by 3pm I was soaked with perspiration and a little tired so I returned to the hotel swimming pool to cool down and rest up for the night time action.

After another good dinner at Khmer Borane, I decided tonight was the night to check out 51st. I did not know how far I would get but I was looking forward to this adventure. Around 9pm I walked into Shanghai bar. Shanghai Bar is definitely an upscale watering hole and the place was rocking. I was met at the door by a very attractive hostess girl wearing a black dress. She escorted me to an empty table and asked if I wanted company. Normally I would have declined in order to check the place out, but this girl was very pretty and had a great smile, so I said yes. She sat down and I ordered drinks. It wasn’t long before another very pretty girl came by and I offered her a drink as well. So this looked like a promising start to the evening. Then as we started to get acquainted one of the girls suggested we adjourn to the patio where we could talk better. Although there were plenty of customers in the patio as well, we found an empty table and continued our conversation in delightful surroundings. Now I don’t know what happened or more accurately why it happened. I guess I was just tired or not quite in gear after all the great sex I had had the three previous nights, but when I eventually asked one of the girls if she wanted to go somewhere with me, she said yes, she wanted to go dancing. I said “Dancing? No I was not into that.” And for some reason I did not follow up the dancing suggestion with a better alternative. I just let it lie there. So we continued to talk. The girls were attractive, charming and definitely worth taking out. But I let it go. After I finished my beer, I smiled and told the girls I was retiring to my hotel and hoped I would see them another night. They smiled and said that would be fine. So we parted as friends.

Outside Shanghai Bar my faithful tuk tuk driver was waiting for me. I told him to take me to Les Cyrcee Club. Cyrcee is right around the corner more or less, but it is all by itself on this particular block. It was peaceful and quiet, but I would not recommend walking there at night. It must have been around a quarter to ten when I walked into Cyrcee Club. The layout is similar to the 104st. bars in that it is narrow and deep yet cozy. There were about 20 girls at the bar and 2 or 3 customers. I ordered a beer and sat down at a table against the wall. Now I have to be honest in my reporting. As I looked around the bar I did not see ANY girls above a 5. I drank my beer and thought it’s OK, after this I will go over to Heat of Darkness and see what that is all about. And then I saw her, a diamond in the ruff, a real gem: little Am. I would rate her as an all around 7.5. I asked her to join me and I bought her a drink. We began the usual talk talk and I noticed she had a nice personality. As we talked I saw that there was a balcony/second story in the back of the bar. I asked Am if we could go up there in order to be alone. She said sure so we gathered up our drinks and went upstairs. On the balcony you could stand near the railing, look down on the bar, and anybody in the bar could look up and see you. But if you sat in the chairs towards the back there was total privacy. So we sat down and began a passionate make out session. It was like a high school date at a drive-in movie. I told Am I wasn’t sure if I had enough “power” to go all the way but she did not seem to mind. I felt her up, but she was wearing one of those armor plated bras Cambodian girls wear that shows cleavage but does not tell you anything about the quality of the tits. I reached underneath her dress and gently rubbed her bush. I could have gone all the way with her on the balcony, but it wasn’t all that comfortable on those flimsy chairs. Hey management put a couch up there. Anyway after about 15 minutes of this preliminary fooling around, she started rubbing my cock and said “You have Power.” And she was right. So I asked where we could go to make love. She said right around the corner. I asked how much. She said $20. Rock on!

So we left the bar. My tuk tuk guy was waiting right outside, but the girl said a ride was not necessary; we could walk to the hotel. I told my guy to wait for me and off we went. Now, I am not going to bore anyone with further detailed descriptions of what took place in the hotel room. The room was clean. The sex was a pretty standard for me in Cambodia, which means it was great! We had the soapy shower massage to start things off, followed with a nice bareback blowjob and then great sex in multiple positions. And after we rested and cuddled we did it all over again. I guess I was a little tired, because after our 2nd joust I really was out of “power.” We layed there in each other’s arms quite a while and then I suggested we get dressed, go back to the bar and get another drink. I gave Am an $8 tip and we walked back to the bar arm in arm. The situation at the bar was pretty much the way we left it with 2 or 3 customers and around 20 to 25 rather average to below average looking girls. About 30 minutes later, I said goodbye to Am and told her I really wanted to see her again, but that I was leaving in one day for BKK. She gave me her phone number and told me to call her. We kissed and said good night.

Outside my tuk tuk driver wanted to know where I wanted to go next. It was a around 1am and I was too tired to check out anymore bars, but I told him to go very slowly down 51st all the way to Preah Sihanouk Blvd. before heading to my hotel so I could see HOD and the other bars. It was nice night with a faint breeze as we past HOD at 5 kilometers per hour. I could not see much from the road except the place was packed and looked very inviting. I thought that maybe tomorrow night, my last night in town I would finally make it to the fabled Hear of Darkness.

Conclusion Shanghai Bar: Highly recommended.

Ambiance - 9.5. This is a great well managed upscale bar. Great ambiance, pretty girls, lots of stuff going on. What more do you want? The patio is best.

Selection of girls - 8.9. A very good selection of attractive and friendly girls. I don’t know why I didn’t hook up with either of my two little Shanghai hostess girls. Another night it would have been a done deed.

Conclusion Cyrcee Club: Thumbs up.

Ambiance – 8. This is a cozy, friendly, little bar. Very similar to the 104st. bars, but a little isolated all by itself a couple of blocks from most of the action on Pasteur St. The balcony/mezzanine is a great feature. I was able to test drive Am and knew she was a great girl before I even left the place. Am got me back in gear and restored my “power”

Selection of girls – mixed. The majority of girls were not that attractive. They rate about a 5 IMHO. Now I don’t know if all the good girls were already taken out when I arrived or what, but in all truth, I was not that impressed with the quality of talent.

Am – a real winner. She was very pretty; I would rate her face 7.5. She was short (all Cambodian girls are short) and had an hourglass figure with nice “b” cup breasts, and round hips. I would rate her body 7.5. She was great in and out of bed, had a great personality and I would rate her overall performance 9.

You know I think I these wonderful Cambodian girls are spoiling me. One last day in Phnom Penh and I do not want to leave. Oh the horror of going back to Bangkok for 8 days of GoGo’s, massage parlors, and Thai cuisine. I don’t know if I can stand it!

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Southbound69
04-20-09, 02:51
Hey nice report. But concerning the Shanghai Bar. Takeout for sex is not always very easy. A lot of the girls are willing to be barfined for dancing only. As others have reported in the past and through my own experience it seems that a lot of those girls won't go out for boom boom.

Southbound69

Betong
04-20-09, 04:22
So we parted as friends.Yes, there's entirely too much of that at the Shanghai these days.

Cyrcee and Shanghai are at pretty much opposite ends of the PP spectrum. Cyrcee is really just a brothel, though they can no longer use their on-site rooms. Shanghai is mainly a tease. It can be fun and the girls can be charming, but if you're looking for a girl to take home it's generally a waste of time and money.

Mature Man
04-20-09, 14:04
I read the negative report and if that had happen to me I would have been pissed. When I make a reservation I spell out that I want the $25 room and when I check in I verify the price.
The staff is always cheerful and pleasant and when the Wifi in the room shuts down, a phone call to the desk gets an immediate reply and it usually is fixed in a few minutes. Sometimes the whole Internet, which is available in the lobby if you don't have a notebook, is down and we all wait for it to come up.

The breakfast is certainly not up to the standards of the Nana buffet in BK but it is convenient and for me the fruit plate is fine to start the day.

It is a block from Walkabout and across the street from Shanghai and right on the corner is Black Cat. Heart of Darkness and Howies Bar are 100 meters down Street 51 St.

When the girl leaves I always get a call from the front desk asking me if it is ok for her to leave. They are protective without being intrusive.

The rooms are not large but have a big window and the bed is not too bad. The bathroom is small but not a problem.

I have never stayed at Cozyna so i can't compare. You will enjoy PP wherever you stay.

AF


I fully agree with AF. I stayed at Flamingo's last week during the Khmer New Year. Booked a $30 double and paid accordingly. Got a free pick up from the airport, Paid $7 for the return trip.
Each time i took a babe to my rooom had no problems at all- just got smiles. And after the event when she left, got a call from reception asking if everything was in order.
Found things quiet at Heart of Darkness. Cyrcee seemed to be closed at 8 pm evening!!. Found it was easiest to pick up from Walkabout round the corner. Any time- day or night. Picked up Ina and Honey from there. Went by smiles rather than sour faced babes. Paid $15 for ST and $25 for LT.
Would describe the action as just normal. No great shakes.
Tuk Tuk fellow took me to a brothel. Had a look- Babes seemed to be a 6-8 but when i asked for hotel delivery was told not possible. Cost offered was $15 short term inclusive of room upstairs. Deferred as i didnt want to take the chance of getting into trouble. Felt far more safe in the confines of the Flamingo room.
By the way was intially puzzled by all menu's , rates etc everywhere being quoted in dollars and wondering about the change requirement. Found out that change is given back in dollars except for amounts below 1 dollar which was given as 1000 reils per 25 cents. Did not have any change problem at all .
Like advised earlier in the forum do not use bigger than a $20 bill.

IMHO Cambodia is worth it as a mongering destination only if one is spending more than a week for this purpose.

Member #4698
04-20-09, 22:16
I want to thank Betong and Southbound69 for their feedback on my report. It really clears things up for me. It is free exchange of information that makes this forum so valuable and why I became a member. There is no better source anywhere.

Southbound69 says “it seems that a lot of those girls won't go out for boom boom.” Apparently so, but what about when they are not working at the bar? Let’s say I was living in PP. And let’s say I casually dropped by the bar once a week to have a beer and chat with 2 or 3 of the girls. I would be on a first name basis with these girls. They would know I live and work in PP. So how long do you think it would take before I could arrange a date and get one of the girls to come to my apartment on her day off? Not too long. So in effect Shanghai Bar is like a club. Visitors like me are welcome and can order drinks, talk to the girls, but are not entitled to member privileges – No take out BOOM BOOM. To be a member you must live in PP.

Jan 156
04-21-09, 09:43
Shanghai might be worth it long term if you like drinking there. Personally I didn't. Ok for the air-con if you need to pop in somewhere cool. I found some of the girls pretty but very false and I couldn't be bothered with a long term investment in the hope of meeting them outside. Heart of Darkness is more my cup of tea. Cyrcee cannot admit to having rooms on the premises for 'legal' reasons but on the second and third visits I was told a different story and the non-existent rooms were suddenly available.

Member #4698
04-21-09, 17:56
Shanghai might be worth it long term if you like drinking there. Personally I didn't. Ok for the air-con if you need to pop in somewhere cool. I found some of the girls pretty but very false and I couldn't be bothered with a long term investment in the hope of meeting them outside. Heart of Darkness is more my cup of tea. Cyrcee cannot admit to having rooms on the premises for 'legal' reasons but on the second and third visits I was told a different story and the non-existent rooms were suddenly available.I agree. Shanghai is not on the top of my list either, but somebody is doing these girls. I had great times at HOD, Zanzibar, Rose Bar and Cyrcee. And when I return to Phnom Penh that's where I will go first.

I have been back home for around 45 days and I am already thinking of my next trip. Next time I think I will spend 14 days in PP not including a 4 day holiday at Sihanoukville beach. I can't wait!

Betong
04-22-09, 15:40
So in effect Shanghai Bar is like a club. Visitors like me are welcome and can order drinks, talk to the girls, but are not entitled to member privileges – No take out BOOM BOOM. To be a member you must live in PP.Pretty true. The big thing in PP these days is to fill your bar with cute new young girls who speak little or no English and aren't expected to go with customers. Check out almost any hostess bar along 104 or 136. If you live here, learn a few hundred words of Khmer, and spend enough time and money, you can begin to score them on a kind of girlfriend basis. But otherwise, no way. To me it's part of what makes PP about an A- as a mongering city if you're a resident or long-term visitor, but no better than about C+ if you're just passing through.

Fornic8
04-23-09, 20:40
Same shit happened to me last year. From what you describe same fucking place too. It was right aroung the corner from HOD right off 51st street.

I had my wallet with over $100 in it. Girl wanted me on my stomach and wheh I turned over she sat om my chest. Got her to fuck me mish but when I stood up on the side of the bed to fuck her she freaked out.

I finished and went to get dressed and found my wallet missing. Apparently the thief wasn't able to put it back. I told the girl I was going to kill her and she really freaked out. She ran out of the room and returned with my empty wallet.

I still wanted to hit the B***h but my companay might not look to kindly on bailing me out of jail. When I walked out everyone was quite and staring at me. The all knew what was happining.







Well, to answer my own question I did some shopping. Same guy at the door and he takes me inside and I ask him where the Yumyum girl is. He points out a 6 or 7 and I say OK.

Then I ask him what happened to the little spinner I saw a couple of days ago. He says the little short one, and I say yes. He goes into the back room and comes out with the little spinner I had seen before. She does not look happy about being returned to the action.

Was she on a break, finished for the day? Who knows but I want to try her anyway, one to s__K and one to f__k.

The door man's English is not much better than my Khmer so getting the idea of two girls at one time is a little difficult but he finally figures out what I want and says OK. Two girls for $20. Pay in advance.

I give him the $20 and the three of us go upstairs. There is some confusion about which room to go into. We start into one and a local is going in there with a girl. We go into a different room and I notice this one has the coat hooks on the wall next to the door. As I take off my clothes and hang them up the little spinner moves my clothes toward the door and hangs hers up where mine was.

Convenient or troubling? Who cares as I had $22 bucks in my pocket when I got here and I gave him $20 of that. Of course, there is no wallet or credit cards in my pocket.

We climb onto the bed and the problems start. They want to give me a massage and insist that I lay on my belly. The short one climbs onto my back and start to massage my shoulders. Obviously in this position I can't see the door. So I roll over and she is now sitting on my chest and I tell Yumyum to get to work.

She is giving me a hand job and doesn't want to shift gears. I tell LittleOne to kneel up so I can play with her pussy. She does not want to let me up and keeps sitting on my chest. We get into a wrestling match and I finally flip her on her ass as Yumyum is not doing anything for me and Little one is pissing me off.

So I tell them to get to work as I know that these places are time limited and somebody is going to be banging on the door pretty soon. We get into an argument about what is going to happen next and I finally tell them to fu__k off and I start putting my clothes on. This does not seem to bother them at all.

We get downstairs and I tell the door man what a pair of bitches he has got how poorly I was treated and that if I don't get my money back I will never come back and I will send diseased monkeys to play with his children. From the look on his face when I start, I realize that my happiness is not high on his list of things to worry about right now.

As I head out the door I reach into my pocket and discover that the girls have indeed stolen my two bucks. I guess I will never know if the poor performance was due to the shortage of money they snatched or if they knew I would not be back once I realized they got into my pockets.

AF

Wendella
04-24-09, 10:42
Same shit happened to me last year.

For what it's worth, I was at a place over on 63rd a couple yrs back when something like this happened. In my case, I happened to turn over and look at the door exactly at the moment that someone's hand was reaching in thru the door and grabbing my pants off the hook. I yelled out Hey, WTF! and the hand disappeared and the door slammed shut. I ran outside -- checked my pants -- he didn't get my money yet. Of course after that I was hardly in the mood to do what I came for.

Anyway, it's to be expected in those places. They seem to have a policy in place now of not servicing foreigners -- unless by 'service' you mean a theft from their pants and a refusal by the girls to do what they're paid for. If that's what you mean by 'service', then they're very service-oriented. Excellent service.

Not the kind of excitement I'm usually looking for. Probly better to just avoid these types of places unless you can somehow vouch for their quality via someone trustworthy. Never trust your motorbike driver, by the way. He was the one who took me there.

Funny, but if you think about the economics, apparently somewhere along the way it became more profitable in the long run to take care of foreign customers in this way than to actually provide the product as advertised. Some years back, these places actually did come thru and offer what they said they did. And at some point it changed. Not sure why, aside from the obvious -- that it's more profitable to take all their money than just the $5-10 they're willing to pay. And I guess not enough of the foreigners were repeat customers, so good service became pointless.

Even when they did deliver their services, it wasn't what I'd ever call "good". Even back then it was unpleasant.

Ekspat
04-24-09, 11:20
As I head out the door I reach into my pocket and discover that the girls have indeed stolen my two bucks.
A few years ago I went there with exactly 5 USD in my pocket.
Having done the deed they even had stolen my cigs and lighter worth less than a dollar. Never been there again even service was average.

Cheers!

Hotman 666
04-24-09, 13:35
Hi Aussie Fella,

Yes, Cozyna IS guest Friendly!

How far from the action? Well, in PP the action is spread out. Get a copy of one of the free guides when you arrive. They have maps and bar / clubs locations marked.
For me the riverside location of Cozyna was good with loads of places to eat and drink nearby BUT in the evenings it is ALLWAYS better for a Newbee (for safety reasons) to grab a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk rather than walk in unfamiliar dark streets.

Bars can vary from night to night and week to week but last year I enjoyed Street 104 bars (See my PP report of 22nd October 2008.)

It is possible, and pretty safe, to walk along the riverside to street 104 from Cozena in 10 mins or so but my recommendation would be ALLWAYS to take a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk late night / early morning when returning to your hotel! It only costs US$1.00 or so.

Hope this info helps and enjoy your trip.

Hotman

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Joe Nailer
04-25-09, 09:42
Some posts back, hotel scam was discussed. I thought I would add my experience to a list of “how to avoid being conned by hotel”.

I took a bike taxi from the airport. I was on the way to HCMC. The bike guy took me to a hotel near the central market. It was ok, so I decided to take it.
The guy at the hotel asked me to pay first (30USD for 2 nights) . This may be because I didn’t want to leave my passport with them while I was staying there. So I paid and got the receipt.

2 days later when I was checking out, this same guy asked me to pay 30 USD. “Wot? Again?” I said I had paid already when I checked in. He now looked in his book and “pretends” if he has such payment record in the book. Of course he could not find it. He does this with a straigh face. I said I have the receipt. After a bit of time, fortunately I found it and showed it to him. He “pretends” to look at it very carefully and tries to match with a record in the book. “Of course” he cannot find it. But eventually he gave way.

In summary:
1. If you pay in advance, insist on a receit. Don’t shuffle it into your back pocket, but take your time and look at what was written; date, amount, number of nights, and ask for a signature and/or hotel’s stamp. And KEEP IT.
2. Keep calm and be firm.
3. (Optional) Do not take off your eye off the receipt you just handed him. (Am I too paranoid?)

El Culion
04-25-09, 09:54
The bike guy took me to a hotel near the central market.Do you have any more information about the hotel, such as a name or address? "Near the central market" is a pretty broad description.

Joe Nailer
04-25-09, 11:10
Do you have any more information about the hotel, such as a name or address? "Near the central market" is a pretty broad description.
Yes, ok. But it was meant as a general warning about hotel payment.
Anyway, I found the card of this hotel;

Morakat Hotel
No 33 St. 107 Sangkat Monorom, Khan 7 Makara, Phnom Penh

My room was spacious but a bit dump. It was ok for a couple nights
In terms of location, it was convenient as the bus terminal was nearby, many travel agnecies, and there are some haircut palces whose service may not be restricted to just cutting hair becaue there were women standing waving at passersby. I didnt go in though.
I think this hotel is GF becasue I asked a guy working in the hotel if he could get me a girl. He said he would, but he didn't. Instead I got a bike guy to take me to a Vietnamese place, which wasnt fun.

El Culion
04-25-09, 15:57
Yes, ok. But it was meant as a general warning about hotel payment.
Anyway, I found the card of this hotel;

Morakat Hotel
No 33 St. 107 Sangkat Monorom, Khan 7 Makara, Phnom Penh

My room was spacious but a bit dump. It was ok for a couple nights
In terms of location, it was convenient as the bus terminal was nearby, many travel agnecies, and there are some haircut palces whose service may not be restricted to just cutting hair becaue there were women standing waving at passersby. I didnt go in though.
I think this hotel is GF becasue I asked a guy working in the hotel if he could get me a girl. He said he would, but he didn't. Instead I got a bike guy to take me to a Vietnamese place, which wasnt fun.Hey! I stayed there on my first visit to PP! I’d told the airport taxi driver to take me to the Paris Hotel but instead he took me to Morakot. He begged me to have a look at the rooms, and I was foolish enough to let myself be pursuaded to set up camp there. No doubt they pay the drivers a good commission to lure tourists to them. The aircon was very crappy. I had a room facing the street and with the morning sun it turned into a real hothouse.

As regards location, you can get much better deals near Pasteur (Str. 51) and Str. 136, which is even closer to the bus terminal.

The hotel IS girl friendly. No doubt about that. And they did offer me massage. When I asked them how much the girls charged for boom-boom, they told that this was between me and the girl. The massage girls (dressed in yellow) that I saw going up one night while I was sitting in the lobby were very goodlooking.

However, I must admit they never tried any scams on me. Maybe because that time it was mostly the owner and her son who worked behind the front desk.

Your mentioning of Morakot brings back memories of a cute and sexy waitress that I met on the first night in Sharky. After work we used to meet at Heart or Walkabout and go to Morakot from there. She was a real nympho. I’ve never met a girl with such an enormous sex drive. She would even wake me up at night for more, and expect an another round in the morning before she left. Good in the beginning, but after a few days it gets tiring.

Aussie Fella
04-25-09, 17:54
Hi Aussie Fella,

Yes, Cozyna IS guest Friendly!

How far from the action? Well, in PP the action is spread out. Get a copy of one of the free guides when you arrive. They have maps and bar / clubs locations marked.
For me the riverside location of Cozyna was good with loads of places to eat and drink nearby BUT in the evenings it is ALLWAYS better for a Newbee (for safety reasons) to grab a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk rather than walk in unfamiliar dark streets.

Bars can vary from night to night and week to week but last year I enjoyed Street 104 bars (See my PP report of 22nd October 2008.)

It is possible, and pretty safe, to walk along the riverside to street 104 from Cozena in 10 mins or so but my recommendation would be ALLWAYS to take a motorbike taxi or Tuk-Tuk late night / early morning when returning to your hotel! It only costs US$1.00 or so.

Hope this info helps and enjoy your trip.

Hotman

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Thanks very much for the information. I really appreciate the advice and will take heed of it as it's effectively my first time in Asia so I'll be quite out of my comfort zone. As it gets closer to my travel time I intend to post my dates in the Travel forum and hopefully will be able to meet up with some experienced mongers for some drinks and guidance.

Thanks again!

Joe Nailer
04-25-09, 18:03
Hey! I stayed there on my first visit to PP!
... No doubt they pay the drivers a good commission to lure tourists to them. it turned into a real hothouse.

Ah, what a coincidence.

I am now planning to visit PP for the upcoming long weekend. So I was doing RTFF on Cambo thread, and came across the hotel scam posts and thought I would add some comment from my last visit to PP in Feb 2008.

For this visit, I will stay only 2 nights. This is enough. There aren't many things to see in PP, and have done the touristy things already. So this visit will be solely mongering excursion.

I am still doing RTFF, but if anyone has any suggestion where I could meet a girl who would provide an illusion of GFE, it would be great.

El Culion
04-26-09, 09:56
I am still doing RTFF, but if anyone has any suggestion where I could meet a girl who would provide an illusion of GFE, it would be great.There's no such thing as a place that provides girls who'll give you GFE, but in my experience your best bet is with the freelancers you can meet at venues such as Heart of Darkness, Walkabout, or Martini. If you take your time and talk to them for a while you'll find out pretty soon if there's a "click." They've never disappointed me but YMMV.

I've also had a very good time in PP with a "beer girl" (girls that promote beer in restaurants), so if you see them somewhere you may try and chat them up. The problem is most of them don't speak any English.
Good luck!

Channy
04-26-09, 14:25
Same shit happened to me last year. From what you describe same fucking place too. It was right aroung the corner from HOD right off 51st street.

I had my wallet with over $100 in it. Girl wanted me on my stomach and wheh I turned over she sat om my chest. Got her to fuck me mish but when I stood up on the side of the bed to fuck her she freaked out.

I finished and went to get dressed and found my wallet missing. Apparently the thief wasn't able to put it back. I told the girl I was going to kill her and she really freaked out. She ran out of the room and returned with my empty wallet.

I still wanted to hit the B***h but my companay might not look to kindly on bailing me out of jail. When I walked out everyone was quite and staring at me. The all knew what was happining.It s not reasobale to go in brothel with 100 dollars. Just go with 10 dollars no more. Also why leaving your wallet on the door? Just take it with you and hide under the shit bed. If the girls bothered you for not doing it leave the place. ; that s smell fishy.

The old time of Tommy, lay lay. Has gone. Keep it in mind. Now brothels are jungle it s not an organized business like before.

Denom
04-26-09, 20:40
There's no such thing as a place that provides girls who'll give you GFE, but in my experience your best bet is with the freelancers you can meet at venues such as Heart of Darkness, Walkabout, or Martini.

You can also try your luck just simply on the river front but of course it takes more time.

Stew2
04-27-09, 12:07
Back in Phnom Penh - visited Le Cyrcee after not having been there 3 or 4 years. Location on 49th St between Streets 130 and 136. This is about one block west of Norodom Blvd.

Is it my poor memory, or did it move to a new location? I thought I had been there, but maybe I was confusing it with something else... at any rate, it didn't look at al as I remembered.

Now to more important stuff. Walked in around 7:30 and was greeted by a pack of hungry hot girls. Must have been 15 of them waiting at the door for the next guy to enter. A few guys in the bar - at most 3. Some of the girls looked like they were 15 at most, but looks may be deceiving. Needless to say, I stayed far away from the ones who looked too young.

But it didn't matter. Two very nice looking girls chose me and led me over to the bar. I did not object. Selecting from the pack would not have given me any better - that was immediately evident. I liked their smiles, and as they sat me down at the bar, I was immediately treated to very nice searching hands showing me a little of what was to come (reminded me a little of Sophie's, alas). After one beer, we got down to negotiating, and the asking price was entirely reasonable - $40 was offered, and they took $35 for both, including bar fine... an additional $6 for room ($1 for extra condom) around the corner.

I can't remember the names, but that would be irrelevant, as there were so many cute ones to choose from. We had a very good romp for an hour.. including yum yum from both, boom boom from both and back to yum yum for cof finish. Nice. Next time I am in Phnom Penh, I will return.

By the way, I might mention that as I walked along Sisowath Quay late at night (around midnight) one night, I was approached by two street walkers about a lock apart from each other. Yum Yum as on offer, but I declined. I am pretty good at detecting transsexuals (yeah, don't we all think that?) and both looked borderline - not sure whether they were, though. I mention this, because I do not remember reading reports about transsexuals in Phnom Penh. Maybe I am just not reading far enough?

Enjoy.

Hippie
04-28-09, 21:59
a few miscellaneous comments:

shanghai girls are mostly there looking for boyfriends. you don't have to live in pp to qualify, but you do have to convince them you are serious. a few will agree to p4p if you ask discretely where none of the other girls can hear, especially if it is an after-work meeting or involves a legitimate "date" first.

the girls in the hostess bars who don't go with customers fall into 3 classes, with some overlap, especially between the first 2 groups:
1) **** girls who are usually not allowed (by the bar) to barfine
2) virgins (supposedly) who are looking for a husband and/or an asian guy who will pay $1000+ for her cherry
3) girls who are new to the scene, often from a garment factory that has recently closed, and either too scared or not yet willing to accept being a hooker. these usually either quit after a month or two, or eventually come around. they are the only one of the three you have any realistic chance with. one who flat refused to go with me from bar 69 a few months ago saw me in another bar last night and immediately said she goes with customers now. it was one of the best nights i have had here.

brothels: (the standard ones like you see on streets 154 and 63, not higher end fishbowls): no matter what price they ask/demand/state, the real price is $5 for st for a westerner, although some of the old timers i know here still pay $3. assume someone is going to try to steal from you. this has been repeated numerous times on this board, but i see people still reporting it. don't walk in with more than $7, and don't let your pants or valuables out of your sight. i roll mine up and us them as a pillow, and even take them into the shower with me. if the girl is not available for take-out, she is most likely either **** or working there against her will. i don't believe the latter happens nearly as often as certain ngos like to make people think it does, but it does happen. this is the main reason i have stopped going to these places.

the going rate at le cyrcee for st is $15, but the girls will naturally start the bargaining at $20 or $25. i have walked there from the riverside and walkabout late at night many times and never had a problem, but that does not mean it is totally safe.

don't judge any town by what it is like during a major holiday. pp was deader than hell during khmer new year, so disregard most reports from trips during that period.

there several ladyboy street walkers at night in the area around wat phnom and the post office (the building st. 104 dead ends into), as well as drug addicts and girls who are too sick to work in a bar. i have never seen anyone there i would go with.

gfe for me has come just as often from a hostess bar girl as a freelancer--but i rarely barfine girls, so that may skew my results a lot. if i go with a hostess, she has either really impressed me, or i have run into her somewhere when she is not working, which technically makes her a fl, i guess.

business is way down. nobody from a hostess bar girl or freelancer has given me even the slightest argument in recent weeks when i have given them $10 for st or $20 for lt, except one complete ***** from heart who was actually way below my standards looks-wise, (when we met it was closing time and i was quite drunk). so far this week i have been with two absolute stunners, and both have happily taken $20 for all night. fwiw, i don't care for the mercenary attitudes of most viet girls here, so i go almost exclusively with cambodians. this may or may not make a difference price-wise (unfortunately, it definitely does make a difference when it comes to getting bjs.

beaver bar is now cheerleaders and under new ownership (andy and danny, previously owners of sizzlers), and while the new uniforms are quite sexy, the lights around the couches are now much brighter and the mileage available there is much lower.

secret bar was kicked out of their riverside location with very little notice, and are now in a much larger spot right next to wat phnom, near the 24 hour convenience store. i have not been in yet, so i don't know if the quality of the girls is still as good as it used to be.

i'm told the owner of mikado is finally out of jail, and that it has reopened. i got so used to it being closed that i keep forgetting to verify this, even though i am frequently in the area. hell, come to thing of it i rode right by it today and did not even look over.

the place that was sophies is now occupied and i see no evidence and have heard no rumors that it is a p4p place, so i think we can assume it is gone for good.

mermaids on st. 108 is under new ownership but still seems to have no attractive women--but it does have at least one ladyboy.

beer prices seem to be creeping up. more and more places are charging $2. this time last year, people were bitching about the places that charged $1.75.

Member #4698
04-29-09, 05:09
a few miscellaneous comments:

brothels: (the standard ones like you see on streets 154 and 63, not higher end fishbowls): no matter what price they ask/demand/state, the real price is $5 for st for a westerner, although some of the old timers i know here still pay $3. assume someone is going to try to steal from you. this has been repeated numerous times on this board, but i see people still reporting it. don't walk in with more than $7, and don't let your pants or valuables out of your sight. i roll mine up and us them as a pillow, and even take them into the shower with me. if the girl is not available for take-out, she is most likely either **** or working there against her will. i don't believe the latter happens nearly as often as certain ngos like to make people think it does, but it does happen. this is the main reason i have stopped going to these places. these "standard" places do not sound very appealing (sleazy). i would not go either. but what about higher end brothels and clubs? i'm just curious and looking to diversify my night time recreational activities on my next trip.

Wendella
04-30-09, 09:37
These "standard" places do not sound very appealing (sleazy). I would not go either. But what about higher end brothels and clubs? I'm just curious and looking to diversify my night time recreational activities on my next trip.

They're really miserable places, in my experience. Even back in their supposed glory days they weren't worth the visit. Even if you somehow manage to avoid the ripoff attempts -- and they always attempt to grab your pants in the room, and they always fight very hard to get you to pay up front before the deed -- and if you pay that upfront, you should expect that some way or another the deed is going to be extremely lame if it happens at all -- even if you manage to navigate your way through all of this, it's rare to get an experience in the room that would compare favorably to what you'd get almost anywhere else. That experience is highly likely to be very disappointing. And yes, then there's the sleaze factor. The place is filthy. You know the girl has been with X number of other customers today. You know she's not into it. She is likely not free to do as she wants. It's just bad all around. It would probably be better for everyone involved (except for the ones who benefit from the ripoffs) if these places didn't exist.

Ekspat
04-30-09, 14:14
Totally agree. It's not worth it.
Once I went there with exactly 5$ and 2$ tip in my pockets.
Done the deed in a below average performance,
after that they have stolen even my cigs and the lighter.

Forget about it.



They're really miserable places, in my experience. Even back in their supposed glory days they weren't worth the visit. Even if you somehow manage to avoid the ripoff attempts -- and they always attempt to grab your pants in the room, and they always fight very hard to get you to pay up front before the deed -- and if you pay that upfront, you should expect that some way or another the deed is going to be extremely lame if it happens at all -- even if you manage to navigate your way through all of this, it's rare to get an experience in the room that would compare favorably to what you'd get almost anywhere else. That experience is highly likely to be very disappointing. And yes, then there's the sleaze factor. The place is filthy. You know the girl has been with X number of other customers today. You know she's not into it. She is likely not free to do as she wants. It's just bad all around. It would probably be better for everyone involved (except for the ones who benefit from the ripoffs) if these places didn't exist.

MikeSaw
05-02-09, 03:42
I lived in Phnom Penh for several years and became a regular afternoon (between my teaching classes) customer of "SONY" massage parlor (just around the corner from the Heart of Darkness). The girls could be hit or miss but I went there often so I learned which were the true gems.

Two or three of these gems were some of the best I ever had (in my life). Very attractive, fresh, full service, good performers, fun to be with, not whiners, sexy, very young (K11 had just been shut down and they were shipped into town from there), etc.

I was a regular so the mamasan always gave me a one dollar discount (I paid four dollars instead of the usual five). Or she would let me have two girls for seven dollars. And I always gave the girls a dollar tip each (and also occasionally to the mamasan and the guy out front who watches the motorbikes. And sometimes I would take in some fruit or candy.

I took lots of new customers to them, too. So they really loved me there, haha!

One of my favorites there "graduated" to the fish bowl over in the "New York" hotel, on Monivong, where she started dating on of the chefs. She phoned me on 2-3 occasions and wanted me to "break in" a couple of her friends who were new to the business. Of course I was glad to help her out, hehe!

One of the other favorites from SONY ended up as a "kept woman" for an older wealthy Japanese businessman at his ocean view villa just outside of Sihanoukville (she hated it but the money was too good to refuse).

I returned to Phnom Penh recently and visited SONY. All new girls and staff. No one knew me this time. Was told it would be $10 + tip, take it or leave it. I took it, regrettably, and the stunner (mistake! ) I picked was totally useless in all regards. So useless in fact that I couldn't maintain an erection. A very antagonistic encounter, to say the least!

But I had already paid in advance (unlike the old SONY) so I was a very unhappy customer.

So my point is that if you are a regular customer and know the girls/staff, there are some gems to be had at these places. Just use common sense regarding money, jewlery ripoffs, etc. ALWAYS keep your pants with you. In the shower, in the bed, etc. I never had any problems in this regard. And never take anymore than you would care to lose (just in case.)

Denom
05-02-09, 07:10
You speak of way back if that's the time K11 was just closed. Situation was very different then.

Also overall I think street 63 and 154 should not be mixed. St 154 is still kind of OK as walking distance from tourist places. Prices tend to be higher and sometimes they'll even try to rip $40 for the younger ones. Many places on St 63 do not even allow foreigners in as sometimes some will make trouble for them, so they'll rather just rip off the few foreigners they'll let in. Service is usually terrible too. It's true that if you make some connections things may be different but will take time, trial and error, and usually would take more time than tourists typically have.

On the whole Cambodia is way down. No more Sophie, no more rooms on Circee, etc. You can still get very lucky though, but it may involve more energy than may be worth it. Nowadays I'll try to find the gems in Thailand instead. Thailand is crying out for tourists right now (unlike Cambodia) as Taksin fucked up the country, so possibly may provide better services.

Wendella
05-02-09, 15:05
Just to clarify...

I have never been in the 154 places, but have had the ripoff attempt happen at 63. I've also been refused service at 63 unless I paid upfront.

If the reports below in this thread were accurate, the same ripoff scams (stealing from the customer's pants while he does the deed) are now happening on 154. See quote below. 2 guys appear to be reporting the same scam being played at 154.

If these reports are correct, it means the proprietors of these places have chosen to have themselves 'mixed' in with 63.

But the important thing to know is that we have reports here that the 154 places are pulling the same ripoffs that the 63 places are. And if so, best to stay away.

If someone says that for him it's fine, and it took him awhile to reach this status, well, a business isn't ok if it rips off every new customer who walks in the door but will ease up on a select few. That rationale doesn't quite make sense.


Same shit happened to me last year. From what you describe same fucking place too. It was right aroung the corner from HOD right off 51st street.

I had my wallet with over $100 in it. Girl wanted me on my stomach and wheh I turned over she sat om my chest. Got her to fuck me mish but when I stood up on the side of the bed to fuck her she freaked out.

I finished and went to get dressed and found my wallet missing. Apparently the thief wasn't able to put it back. I told the girl I was going to kill her and she really freaked out. She ran out of the room and returned with my empty wallet.

I still wanted to hit the B***h but my companay might not look to kindly on bailing me out of jail. When I walked out everyone was quite and staring at me. The all knew what was happining.

Denom
05-02-09, 19:14
If the reports below in this thread were accurate, the same ripoff scams (stealing from the customer's pants while he does the deed) are now happening on 154. See quote below. 2 guys appear to be reporting the same scam being played at 154.

It must have been a year or so or maybe more I did not to go Cambodia (and actually at the time I did not even consume anything on St. 154, just took a look). If it now happens on St. 154 too then it must be a new development. which is worrying because the places in St. 154 are a stone throw from the places on St. 51 where most of the monger activities take place. They must be getting very desperate and it may be an early sign that these places will close, which, if that happens, is not going to improve the already lower attractiveness of PP for mongers.

Wendella
05-03-09, 06:47
It must have been a year or so or maybe more I did not to go Cambodia (and actually at the time I did not even consume anything on St. 154, just took a look). If it now happens on St. 154 too then it must be a new development. which is worrying because the places in St. 154 are a stone throw from the places on St. 51 where most of the monger activities take place. They must be getting very desperate and it may be an early sign that these places will close, which, if that happens, is not going to improve the already lower attractiveness of PP for mongers.
I'm not sure it's a sign those places will close: the ones on 63 have stayed open since forever, and no sign they're shutting. One closes, another pops up, that's how it usually is. I'd say its more a sign that those places are turning to crap. Maybe it's only one of those places doing this. So maybe there's still hope for you in whichever one you like. I can't see how it'd spread to Walkabout or HOD since the girls in those places are a whole other scene, and after all it's the management of the massage places doing it.

But I'm perfectly happy checking out the other venues. These cheapo massage places aren't an option on my list anymore. There's still plenty out there to be had. I always go to Martini's my first night in town, which is still the best one-stop reasonably priced place I know, always plenty of available girls to choose from, and I also try to research and find out which of the karaoke type places are good before I go -- once I came to the one above Casa disco (can't remember the hotel name -- just north of Wat Phnom) and walked in on a big lounge room packed with about 100 Vietnamese girls, some quite nice. All available for immediate takeout. The place is more of a for-Asians scene (Chinese, Singapore, rich Khmer, etc), but they're perfectly happy to accept white man's dollars (or black or brown man's, I imagine). No games. Anyway, there's always other options -- ones like these or others.

Denom
05-03-09, 11:03
I'm not sure it's a sign those places will close: the ones on 63 have stayed open since forever, and no sign they're shutting.

Because the places on St. 154 mostly cater to foreigners, unlike the places on St. 63. If they try running this shit on foreigners, their main clientele, it's not the same as running it to the occasional foreigner visiting St. 63. That's why I find this more worrying and a possible sign that they are getting desperate and near the end - or alternatively that the two reports were only occasional and localized instances.

Well... we'll see.

Back when I was in Cambodia the first time, the worry was that you would get hold up at gun point by people on motorbike in the street, a very frequent occurrence. Nowadays it's only that you'll lose a few dollars through tricks. I guess you could call this an "improvement". Yet, I would go back in time in an instant if that was possible. Things are relatively boring nowadays, monger-wise, and is getting increasingly boring as time passes. Pretty soon it won't be worth traveling at all to have good sex.

I had the unfortunate honor to be the first one to report on this board the end of fun at Sophie's. One day the girls would fight to give me a sample of their sucking and blowing talent, the next day the same girls would just chat and do nothing because of threats from the police and religious fanatics. Chatting with a girl in bad English I can do anywhere in the world too...

It's true that it won't spread to Walkabout and other such venues but these are nothing really special anymore and you can find them in so many other countries. We are just getting slowly accustomed to the erosion of our liberties and don't realize that everything becomes just completely asseptized.

Hippie
05-03-09, 11:45
There is basically no difference between the places on St. 154 and St. 63, or the similar the places in Tuol Kok, for that matter. All cater primarily to locals (I'd say the ratio of Cambodians to foreigners at Sony is about 10-1), all will try to rip you off, and all charge $5 unless there has been a recent change. The last place of this type I went was Sony, and that is what I paid. The key was that at no time did I ask the price--I handed the guy $5, and when he said the price was now $10, I said "Sorry, I did not know the price had gone up.", took my money, and started to walk out. I did not get 2 steps. In hindsight, I wish I had. The session was lousy, and I had to constantly fight the girl to safeguard my pants. I only went to places of this type a couple of times during the Km11 era, but I agree with MikeSaw that the performance then was better, although not great. Had I been a regular customer as he was, I have no doubt that would have changed. I am not so sure it would matter now. Maybe in some of the smaller places on St. 63, it would.

Just realized that I forgot to mention one very important fact in my recent update: Walkabout no longer has short time rooms! The new manager indicated this was not by their choice, but did not give any additional details. He suggested using one at a guesthouse nearby, but since I was not really that interested in the girl, I did not bother. This place seems to be going downhill since Cleve was fired, and the remodeled Chip Lay hotel next door that was scheduled to reopen in April does not look as if it will be ready any time soon. It appeared pretty gutted a week ago.

Denom
05-03-09, 18:54
Just realized that I forgot to mention one very important fact in my recent update: Walkabout no longer has short time rooms! The new manager indicated this was not by their choice, but did not give any additional details.
Bang - another strike by the religious fanatics brigade. Cambodia has loads of tourists, no need for the mongers clientele anymore and it gives them a "bad" reputation anyway. The question is only: "what will come next"?

Phantomtiger2
05-06-09, 00:08
Totally agree. It's not worth it.
Once I went there with exactly 5$ and 2$ tip in my pockets.
Done the deed in a below average performance,
after that they have stolen even my cigs and the lighter.

Forget about it.


Then you still made out better than me,
I had about $10 =(few$ extra in pocket for moto fare),
had to pay upfront so $5 left in pocket when I got to room. Closed and put chair on the door.
They somehow got to my pant pocket ?(even though I never saw the door open)
they got the $5 +my cigs+lighter + several extra condoms.

PT

Stew2
05-06-09, 01:00
They probably had a way to get through the wall - I had this happen to me... thought I was safe with my pants near my head on the bed, but they still got to them. Had to be a gap in the wall (e.g., a seam that was weak enough to push apart and put your hand through).

Wendella
05-06-09, 05:10
Then you still made out better than me,
I had about $10 =(few$ extra in pocket for moto fare),
had to pay upfront so $5 left in pocket when I got to room. Closed and put chair on the door.
They somehow got to my pant pocket ?(even though I never saw the door open)
they got the $5 +my cigs+lighter + several extra condoms.

PT

Was there a giant book case in the room? ;)

Betong
05-06-09, 07:24
Bang - another strike by the religious fanatics brigade.I guess we should have seen this coming last year when they changed the name of their upstairs bar from 'The Whale 'n' Hoe' to 'Walkabout F.C.' Old Phnom Penh is straightening up, that's for sure.

Run Mann
05-06-09, 08:42
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Pinga 98
05-07-09, 22:13
They probably had a way to get through the wall - I had this happen to me... thought I was safe with my pants near my head on the bed, but they still got to them. Had to be a gap in the wall (e.g., a seam that was weak enough to push apart and put your hand through).
You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.

Wendella
05-08-09, 07:16
You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.

The most entertaining part is when the guy runs out in the hall yelling What the F***! What the F***! buck naked. ;)

Mature Man
05-08-09, 07:33
Suggest you keep your money in your socks and inside your shoes next to you.
But in my opinion you need to go only if you are looking for adventure. Mongering here would be no pleasure if you ask me.


You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.

Phantomtiger2
05-09-09, 01:52
Was there a giant book case in the room? ;)


Hey Wendella,
Haven't heard from you in a bit.
I'm trying to remember all the details and I am fairly sure there was nothing in the room except 2 chairs and the bed. I also remember looking under the bed just in case some bastard was hiding there. I also remember this place had the bathroom/shower room upstairs.

PT

Phantomtiger2
05-09-09, 02:29
You guys are killing me with curiosity now! . Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.


If you forget the sex, then no reason to visit here as there is nothing to offer except a very lame and cheap attempt at giving you sex as most of the providers are thinking moe about stealing from you rather than blowing you= the sex is not that good anyway. And yes, the magic is that your money will disappear one way or another.

Wendella
05-09-09, 07:34
Hey Wendella,
Haven't heard from you in a bit.
I'm trying to remember all the details and I am fairly sure there was nothing in the room except 2 chairs and the bed. I also remember looking under the bed just in case some bastard was hiding there. I also remember this place had the bathroom/shower room upstairs.

PT

As I expected, Phantom, as I expected.
Was just being silly -- picuring the cheesy old gimmick from 60s tv shows like Batman -- a wall bookcase that would open up to a secret passage.

Maybe we're thinking in the wrong direction. Maybe it's like the old movie Willard, and they've trained rats to come in and go through our pockets. The clever bastards.

Wendella
05-09-09, 07:38
If you forget the sex, then no reason to visit here as there is nothing to offer except a very lame and cheap attempt at giving you sex as most of the providers are thinking moe about stealing from you rather than blowing you= the sex is not that good anyway. And yes, the magic is that your money will disappear one way or another.

Right -- decoy sex. Technically speaking, it counts. The minimum possible in order to distract you just long enough to remove your cash from your out-of-view pants.

Carlos Spain
05-09-09, 21:59
Someone knows the Candy Bar in Phnom Penh?
It is a bar to drink beer and talk with the girls, or sex is possible?
We have the girls to the hotel?
There are rooms for st in the bar?

Thanks !

Channy
05-10-09, 13:39
There is basically no difference between the places on St. 154 and St. 63, or the similar the places in Tuol Kok, for that matter. All cater primarily to locals (I'd say the ratio of Cambodians to foreigners at Sony is about 10-1), all will try to rip you off, and all charge $5 unless there has been a recent change.
.I'm sorry but I think you never been in toul kok. I do agree with you for street 63 and 154. 4 years ago these place was a paradise but it s a scam place

But for toul kok I totaly disagree with you, first toul kok have mostly khmer brothels. In all the khmer brothels in toul kok girls are free, no mamasan or papasan. And in 7 years no girls try to stoled my valuable or doing bad things. The girls here work only for feeding their family. Most of the girls are really kind. But since2/3 years the quality fall dramaticly

Viet brothels in toul kok have change a lot. Most of the girls here are working in the various phnom penh bar during the night. Most of them are in Cambodia for a while and tend to worked with other friends as free lance. Viet brothels in toul kok have less mamasan than before. Here also I never experimented problem in 7 years.

Channy
05-10-09, 13:43
You guys are killing me with curiosity now! In my several trips to PP, I never ventured into places on 154 or 63rd street--Martini, HoD, other bars were plenty before I ran out of energy. Now I have to visit 154/63rd st just to find out how the money, cigs, lighter, etc disappear. Forget the sex, I want to learn the magic.If you love magic, go to chowkit in kuala lumpur. Here they will give fear in more. You will have ever no time to bonk the girl. Police raid! Police raid!

Hippie
05-12-09, 12:46
bang - another strike by the religious fanatics brigade. cambodia has loads of tourists, no need for the mongers clientele anymore and it gives them a "bad" reputation anyway. the question is only: "what will come next"?
as much as i despise the "religious fanatics brigade," i don't think they were responsible this time. walkabout brought this on themselves by their complete lack of discretion in the face of growing public (cambodian) sentiment against them. this place has the worst reputation in phnom penh among the locals, because everyone can see inside and know pretty much what is going on. the locals, never passing up a chance to gossip and embellish the truth, actually think it is worse than it is. most think there are numerous **** girls, live sex shows in the upstairs bar, etc. the upstairs bar has been closed for awhile, and the owner says this is because he can no longer find enough staff. if that is true, it is because respectable girls will no longer work there even in a bartender/waitress position. (and yes, the girls who have worked there over the years have for the most part been "good" girls.)


i'm sorry but i think you never been in toul kok. i do agree with you for street 63 and 154. 4 years ago these place was a paradise but it s a scam place

but for toul kok i totaly disagree with you, first toul kok have mostly khmer brothels. in all the khmer brothels in toul kok girls are free, no mamasan or papasan. and in 7 years no girls try to stoled my valuable or doing bad things. the girls here work only for feeding their family. most of the girls are really kind. but since2/3 years the quality fall dramaticly

viet brothels in toul kok have change a lot. most of the girls here are working in the various phnom penh bar during the night. most of them are in cambodia for a while and tend to worked with other friends as free lance. viet brothels in toul kok have less mamasan than before. here also i never experimented problem in 7 years.
you have a good point. when i included the toul kok brothels, i was talking more about the fact that the clientele was mostly local than that they were rip off joints. i have never been ripped off in one, but i also have very limited experience in them, so i assumed that was the reason. my friends who like the brothel scene do indeed prefer toul kok, so maybe i should check it out more. i also agree about the quality drop, looks-wise.

Mosquito2002
05-12-09, 15:51
Sorry to hear that Cleve was fired, and that they disestablished the shorttime room.

Really sad about the good girls that worked at the Walkabout quiting, they were fun to talk to (about all).

Loved the upstairs bar, there was always something to pick-up at all times of the day-night!!!

Priapus79
05-13-09, 01:23
Hi guys,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I am currently in PP for a couple of days with my wife and I would like to find some action that is discrete and does not require a large time investment.

I am somewhat put off by reports of theft from brothels on 154th St. Do you think a viable option would be to carry my things in a day pack with locks on the zips? I tried a 4 hands massage in SR but there were no extras on offer. Do most massage places in PP offer extras? If anyone knows about Islands Massage on Sisowith quay, I would be interested to know.

Roguesta
05-14-09, 01:26
You can get a good massage at Islands, but don't expect extras. In fact, there will probably several other massages going on at the same time, in the same room, as your massage. If you want discrete, try the Heaven Hotel (St 148 @ 19th). Walk up to the second floor. It's a fishbowl operation. Not all of the girls are beautiful, but some are. It's $5.00 for an hour massage. The rooms are nice, and has bathrooms en suite.

Phil Istine
05-14-09, 13:06
Been back in PP for a few weeks and staying in a guesthouse in 174 just down from the walkabou.

Been there a few times recently and it is pretty bleak especially in the daytime. Went for brekkie this morning and I was the only customer in the place, no men and no girls-unbelievable.

Is this some kind of record?

As a contrast to the slim pickings at the walkabou the bars in 136 and 104 are bursting at the seams with keen girls. I have never seen better and there are many girls from the garment factories.

So many beauties and unlike the past are keen to go?

Phil Istine
05-16-09, 18:12
Hate to harp on but went to the khmer nightclub le mekong tonight.

Great time was had by us despite taking our girlfriends.

So many lovely girls there bit one would have to speak khmer to snare one.

The khmer have a really good culture as far as singing and dancing goes.

So many venues that the barang never go to.

It is refreshing to go out without running into drunken barang chancers.

Channy
05-17-09, 13:40
Hi guys,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I am currently in PP for a couple of days with my wife and I would like to find some action that is discrete and does not require a large time investment.

I am somewhat put off by reports of theft from brothels on 154th St. Do you think a viable option would be to carry my things in a day pack with locks on the zips? I tried a 4 hands massage in SR but there were no extras on offer. Do most massage places in PP offer extras? If anyone knows about Islands Massage on Sisowith quay, I would be interested to know.So if you re a long time time reader you should know the good area for finding girls. Some locations are still the same since I started to read the forum in 2001.

So strange how the massage place has changed in the last 7 years. Until 2004, Cambodia was almost confidential. Just svay pak and maybe tuol kok was knowed. NGo started to put the light of the network on svay pak. That s make two things svay pak closed under pressure of ngo, but tourist started to be more numerous in Cambodia, helped by thaksin tourist regulation, since 2006. For those who was reader of ISG some years ago they will see that all the famous place like Lay Lay or tommy. Street 63 has gone, . This place catered local and barang. Pimps and girls was here to make money and nothing else (many girls was superstar in some forum. Not just give me a name? ). Some places was already stoled the barang but they was a small minority. Now it s the rule. Simply because the barang has not change their routine, the barang customer look more like a stupid farang in need of exotism and living in the golden age o than sex expat. (so if you think long term expat will give you info, you re wrong, long term expat hate the new farang tourist. For them they killed their little paradise)

Have you also think why always the barang get trouble in this place? Simply because if something happened to a khmer guy in a viet brothel, the brothel will get a pineapple bomb of AK47 firegun. By the law in Cambodia a foreigner is not allow anymore to have a weapon (thank Hun sen). That s why many brothel targeted the barang. They are sure nothing bad will happened. During the golden age barang catered gun for their protection, that s why maybe scams was not so common. The Cambodian police always racketed the viet brothels and have interest for not report your problem.

So if you want to avoid problem, AVOID the places in street 63 and street 154, there is enough brothel all around the city. For sure they are less numerous than before. Due Ngo pressure but simply go out phnom penh or siem reap.

Some will also notice that many place don t accepted barang as customer. It s simple for this people the equation Barang=NGO problems.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Phil Istine
05-17-09, 15:55
Sorry to be a serial poster but it shows how quiet the town is.

Our kiwi mate stu passed away in the arly hours last tuesday.

Yoop jrown the khmers would say-deep night.

Stu was found by his khmer ex and her friend sitting in the chair with the TV blareing and an empty bottle of whiskey-DEAD.

The cops wanted 800 from the landlady for the inconvenience,300 for the ambulance to the hospital ten minutes away-you know the score.

Stu was a great chap,a real enthusiast,he would put anyone here to shame as far as P4P goes.

He had and encylopaedic knowledge of hostess bars,not just in PP but all over the world.

I will never forget him even though I only knew him for two years,he had become as close as anyone I know for real friendship.

We are both small town kiwis and we also had a few personal experiences in faraway places long ago on the dark side that cannot be shared.We are brothers.

RIP Stu

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

AdHome01
05-20-09, 09:35
Can anyone tell me if the New York hotel on Monivong offer in-room massages? I'll be in PP for two nights on business and looking for something a little decrete. By massage I mean a girl sent to your room for negotiated "activities". I'm trying to RTFF but I have serious time restraints. If not, can someone recommend a 3 or 4 star hotel that does?

Also, can someone recommend a decent fishbowl? Right now I'm thinking the Heaven Hotel.

Sorry to ask these newbe questions but having so little time I'm hoping a member can help me out. If you want you can PM me.

Cheers

Don1010ho
05-20-09, 22:37
Can anyone tell me if the New York hotel on Monivong offer in-room massages? I'll be in PP for two nights on business and looking for something a little decrete. By massage I mean a girl sent to your room for negotiated "activities". I'm trying to RTFF but I have serious time restraints. If not, can someone recommend a 3 or 4 star hotel that does?

Also, can someone recommend a decent fishbowl? Right now I'm thinking the Heaven Hotel.

Sorry to ask these newbe questions but having so little time I'm hoping a member can help me out. If you want you can PM me.

Cheers
At New York hotel, just ask the front desk guy, he will find you one, if you don't like the girl, ask him get you another one, price is up to your skill of bargain. Good luck and have fun, play safe.

Sovanmee
05-21-09, 03:56
Please allow me recommend to peoples.

I would like recommend the Luxery World massage.

There are more than 100 ladies working for massage.

You'll like.

It is on street 200.

Suns88
05-21-09, 11:47
Bro,

What type of services do they provide and what are the charges?

Cheers


Please allow me recommend to peoples.

I would like recommend the Luxery World massage.

There are more than 100 ladies working for massage.

You'll like.

It is on street 200.

Sovanmee
05-21-09, 12:23
Massages $5 an hour and $15 to $20 for short time. They were re-located from Great World massage parlour. So, I can tell you they will offer massages and ST.

Wendella
05-21-09, 14:30
I can't even imagine what it would be like to get massaged by 100 ladies.




Please allow me recommend to peoples.

I would like recommend the Luxery World massage.

There are more than 100 ladies working for massage.

You'll like.

It is on street 200.

Phil Istine
05-22-09, 11:15
Went bar hopping last night,had the usual great time with my usual drinking companion.

Started at the zeppelin in rue pasteur near the walkabou.Mr jun plays great music and the food is really cheap.

Then drove over to 136 to the red fox where the usual was not on offer.Walked up to 110 to the reaggae bar.Gee kenny has some nice waitresses.

On our way back to the car on st 19 we called into the dream bar for the first time-wow.

Some lovely willing girls.

Took a look at the recently reopened mikado,which looks the same as before sans kimonos.Then down to the LCC,be rude not to call in when we were so close.Again a few choice pickings.

Cant remember anything after that but i know we went to several more bars.

So it was home to bed and into mum.

AdHome01
05-22-09, 13:24
At New York hotel, just ask the front desk guy, he will find you one, if you don't like the girl, ask him get you another one, price is up to your skill of bargain. Good luck and have fun, play safe.


Could someone also recommend a mid-range ($35-$50) hotel that is GF for a backup? Again, I can also be pm'd if necessary.

Many thanks!!

Dinghy
05-23-09, 18:01
phil - is Mikado take away only now?

Shadow6491
05-29-09, 11:38
Mikado was always take away. That is it was take away to the hotel nex door.

This hotel is now open for bussiness again and you can take girls from the new Mikado there or girls from else where. However they have put up there prices and depending on the time of day or night there are better options available.

Dinghy
05-30-09, 14:06
yeah - mikado used the hotel next door as the facility. I guess the same guy ran both of them. Used to be $12 total

Mosquito2002
05-31-09, 14:04
Visited PP about 9 months ago, stayed at the Walk-About!!

Walk-About-Rooms well below average, but for 12 dollars a night it's hard to complain. Fair selection in both bars, 10-15.00 S/T for any girl in the bar.

Did the 136/102/104 run, had to define...selection limited....but there were some hotties for 20-40.00 a night.

Hit Shanghi, not worth visiting.....to much work/money and it's hit and miss!!!

Sharkeys, below average Mexican food/though large serving.
* Most girls before 10PM are old and worn-out, after 10 it's hit and miss.

Martinies, good selection...but the mamasan turned me off....along with the large number of African guys hanging around for a freebie or selling drugs or Beckman wannabees!!!

Motorbike taxis 1.00 anywhere in PP, don't pay more.

Casino, limited games and definitely limited pay-offs.

Food expensive for PP or a Third World Country, but overall good.

Overall, very relaxed and quiet.....didn't get hit by any rip-off artist.

Phil Istine
05-31-09, 16:53
Why do you guys still bother with sharkey/walkabou/martini?

Listen!

Go to the bars in 136 and 104 and meet keen girls who are don't have pimps or mamasans.,

Or go to places like the pontoon opposite 108, where we piggybacked two lovely middle class girls to last night. Me and my mate the australian judge!

These girls came from the riverhouse bar, upstairs, shitloads of rich khmer girls there. Last week we went to the mekong club, wow. So many nice girls.

You guys just go to the usual places, there is so much here.

You don't know or don't listen.

Handydan
06-05-09, 12:34
Why do you guys still bother with sharkey/walkabou/martini?

Listen!

Go to the bars in 136 and 104 and meet keen girls who are don't have pimps or mamasans.,

Or go to places like the pontoon opposite 108, where we piggybacked two lovely middle class girls to last night. Me and my mate the australian judge!

These girls came from the riverhouse bar, upstairs, shitloads of rich khmer girls there. Last week we went to the mekong club, wow. So many nice girls.

You guys just go to the usual places, there is so much here.

You don't know or don't listen.I agree phil! But you only learn these things, with more trips to PP! I dont even like to pay a bar fine these days, Get too know the girls, buy them noodle soup and hook up with them after work, Some girls just like a clean bed too sleep in, a clean towell and a clean tooth brush and will give you a freebie!

Vmann
06-05-09, 20:57
I agree phil! But you only learn these things, with more trips to PP! I dont even like to pay a bar fine these days, Get too know the girls, buy them noodle soup and hook up with them after work, Some girls just like a clean bed too sleep in, a clean towell and a clean tooth brush and will give you a freebie!
Great! So you just get for the rice of a noodle-meal and a drink at 3 o'clock morning a girl that has been fucked by two guys within the last hours and now only wants to close her eyes and go to the land of dreams.

What a great way to save 10 $!

Handydan
06-06-09, 07:22
Great! So you just get for the rice of a noodle-meal and a drink at 3 o'clock morning a girl that has been fucked by two guys within the last hours and now only wants to close her eyes and go to the land of dreams.

What a great way to save 10 $!Where did that come Vmann? You cant pick up in pp without money? When there are no punters around bars close about 12 pm! If you have been in the bars you know which girls have been out for the st and which have not.

If you new anything about khmer bar girls! You would know that the stay up all night and morning watching TV, when they finish work and sleep all day, too about 3pm When they wake up and go too work. You too lazy too wake up in the morning and give her one!

There are more and more freelance girls floating around 104 and 136 bars, and in these time bar owner would rather a few freelances in thier bar and make money out of drinks, than pay a salery for a wall flower!

I have taken girls out from bars (non hostess),riverside bristro, the odd cashier and even the quicky mart for noodles soup, then too hart for a bit of dancing and a freebie!

Vmman, you ever taken 2 tuk tuk full of bars girls too the Hart too party, after they have finished work? Fill them up with some noodle soup and wam bam thankyou handy dan!

Vmann
06-08-09, 07:22
Where did that come Vmann? You cant pick up in pp without money? When there are no punters around bars close about 12 pm! If you have been in the bars you know which girls have been out for the st and which have not.

If you new anything about khmer bar girls! You would know that the stay up all night and morning watching TV, when they finish work and sleep all day, too about 3pm When they wake up and go too work. You too lazy too wake up in the morning and give her one!

There are more and more freelance girls floating around 104 and 136 bars, and in these time bar owner would rather a few freelances in thier bar and make money out of drinks, than pay a salery for a wall flower!

I have taken girls out from bars (non hostess),riverside bristro, the odd cashier and even the quicky mart for noodles soup, then too hart for a bit of dancing and a freebie!

Vmman, you ever taken 2 tuk tuk full of bars girls too the Hart too party, after they have finished work? Fill them up with some noodle soup and wam bam thankyou handy dan!6 $ for the tuktuks, drinks in the Heart, "moto-money" in the morning - still a good way to save 10 $.

But sorry, still I am the one, who prefers to have fucked a viet-double from the WA already three times for 30 $ all together in my hotel, when you leave the Heart in the early morning with a smiling face because you have saved 10 $.

Phil Istine
06-09-09, 02:05
PP is becoming increasingly dangerous recently.

So many incidents involving both foreigners and khmers.Knife and gun attacks are common at night.

Recently there was wire strung across st 63 to trap motos at night,my brother in law nearly lost his hand to a machete when attacked by five thieves for th moto.

Out last night in 136,lovely girls around.Then went to the walkabou-dreadful place.

Anyone taking a moto to martini late at night would be very stupid,this city has changed a lot.

Shadow6491
06-10-09, 13:45
PP is becoming increasingly dangerous recently.

So many incidents involving both foreigners and khmers.Knife and gun attacks are common at night.

Recently there was wire strung across st 63 to trap motos at night,my brother in law nearly lost his hand to a machete when attacked by five thieves for th moto.

Out last night in 136,lovely girls around.Then went to the walkabou-dreadful place.

Anyone taking a moto to martini late at night would be very stupid,this city has changed a lot.

I concur. My GF was robbed of her necklace while on the back of my moto 2 weeks ago at 11.30 am in the middle of Nordom. I chased the theif for a good while but lost him when I slowed down to try and get a cop to help.

Every day I am hearing of robberies of bikes, wallets and jewlery from Khmers last week a tourist was robbed while he was on a motodop on the way to Walkabout from Martinis at about 11.30pm he lost $30. He was surronded by 5 guys on motos.

It really is starting to get dangerous again.

Phil Istine
06-10-09, 15:24
I concur. My GF was robbed of her necklace while on the back of my moto 2 weeks ago at 11.30 am in the middle of Nordom. I chased the theif for a good while but lost him when I slowed down to try and get a cop to help.

Every day I am hearing of robberies of bikes, wallets and jewlery from Khmers last week a tourist was robbed while he was on a motodop on the way to Walkabout from Martinis at about 11.30pm he lost $30. He was surronded by 5 guys on motos.

It really is starting to get dangerous again.Group of US special forces guys here recently for several weeks training khmer army.

The last week they were here one was threatened with a knife in a tuk tuk on the riverside ,,another took an uzi off a khmer in the riverhouse and tossed him down the stairs.

Wendella
06-12-09, 08:40
Group of US special forces guys here recently for several weeks training khmer army.

The last week they were here one was threatened with a knife in a tuk tuk on the riverside ,,another took an uzi off a khmer in the riverhouse and tossed him down the stairs.

How did you hear about this? Just wondering what the heck kind of situation that was where a Khmer was going around with an Uzi. Out in the open?

Handydan
06-13-09, 11:14
6 $ for the tuktuks, drinks in the Heart, "moto-money" in the morning - still a good way to save 10 $.

But sorry, still I am the one, who prefers to have fucked a viet-double from the WA already three times for 30 $ all together in my hotel, when you leave the Heart in the early morning with a smiling face because you have saved 10 $.Vmann is too scared too go to the heart! Toughen up son! Learn a few dance moves and forget about those viet ladyboys from the WA! Is WA back in action yet? I hope not!

Redlord59
06-13-09, 11:14
Nothing is same before.

The business is slow and the people need money.

They do not have any better idea than try to get it from barangs.

Last weeks I was walking from NewYork Hotel to the Sorya Shopping center at about six pm. Took a moto and in 2 min and half dollar I was there. Not so dark yet.

When I came back I made my mistake deciding to walk along the roads, not so far, about 5 to 10 minutes usually with a slow walk.

Eight in the night and of course dark, as soon I approached the road parallel to moniwong (yes, stupid move! ) 50 meters far from the service entrance of the NewYork a couple of guys were following me.

I noted them and stopped to light a cigarette and watch at them. They came near me and asked a cig, one behind me tryed to lock my body and the other one was speaking in a broken english mentioning "money".

Unluckly for them I am not a small men nor a newby and have been a karate teacher in my youg years so it was not so difficult to down the man behind and smak my shoe in the face of the other one.

My reation probably surprised them and they run like cats in the night.

Better not to walk alone in dark places and use the trusted birkers or (better) taxi drivers to move around in the night.

Next vacation will be in Thailand.

Jan 156
06-13-09, 14:56
from the economist this weekend:
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13832459

the sex industry in cambodia
the traffic police

jun 11th 2009 | phnom penh
from the economist print edition
’tis a pity, but she won’t go away

in eerie, deserted silence on the outskirts of phnom penh sits the prey speu detention centre. barely legible on its grimy walls a few weeks ago were cries for help and whispers of despair from the tormented souls once crammed into its grimy cells. “this is to mark that i lived in terror under oppression,” read one message.

it recalls a khmer rouge torture centre from the genocidal 1970s. but in fact the building was used just last year as a “rehabilitation” centre, where detained sex-workers, along with beggars and the homeless, learnt sewing and cooking. they were rounded up in a crackdown on trafficking for the sex industry. at first an attempt to clean up phnom penh, it soon escalated into a violent campaign by the police against prostitutes and those living on the street. according to licadho, a local human-rights group, guards at the centre beat three people to death, and at least five detainees killed themselves. sreymoa, a trafficked sex-worker, detained in may 2008 with her four-year-old daughter, recalls daily beatings, [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) and one death.

partly to allay the previous american administration’s concerns about trafficking, cambodia in february 2008 outlawed prostitution. three months later the state department took cambodia off its annual “watch-list” of [CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909) countries. but the police read the law as entitling them to lock up all sex-workers, not help victims of trafficking.

reports of abuses soon surfaced, at first denied by the government. but in august it halted the raids as the united nations and ngos expressed mounting concern. one worry was that they would endanger hiv/aids-prevention programmes. the prevalence of hiv in cambodia had fallen to 0.8% of the population since the government adopted a campaign in 2001 for “100% condom” use. now, however, fearing the brothels where they worked would be raided, many sex-workers had started plying their trade on the streets or in karaoke bars, where health-care workers could not find them to distribute condoms.

tony lisle, of the un’s aids organisation, says that since the raids stopped, hiv-prevention efforts have resumed with more success. sex-workers in bars as well as brothels are to be covered, and the police to be encouraged to teach sex-workers about condom use. but those campaigning for sex-workers’ rights have objected, fearing that this might give the police a pretext to renew the raids. jason barber of licadho says that for years the government has stopped arbitrary detentions when a fuss has been made, only to restart them as soon as attention has shifted.

indeed, just before a regional summit in phnom penh in late may, the police again herded up beggars, sex-workers and drug-users, and sent them back to prey speu, newly reopened (with the graffiti painted over). detaining sex-workers is much easier than arresting the traffickers. but the global slowdown is adding to the ranks of the unemployed. the world bank forecasts that 200,000 cambodians will fall below the poverty line this year. many will fall into prostitution or beggary, whatever the law says and high-minded donors hope.

Channy
06-14-09, 14:33
PP is becoming increasingly dangerous recently.

So many incidents involving both foreigners and khmers.Knife and gun attacks are common at night.

Recently there was wire strung across st 63 to trap motos at night,my brother in law nearly lost his hand to a machete when attacked by five thieves for th moto.

Out last night in 136,lovely girls around.Then went to the walkabou-dreadful place.

Anyone taking a moto to martini late at night would be very stupid,this city has changed a lot.Like I said in another post.; In phnom penh, Barang are the easiest target for thief. Not only because you re rich for them but simply because they know you carry no weapons with you (thank hun sen for this new law).

Khmer victims will solved their problem with Cambodian methods.; if you re a barang just shut up, the cops will never help you unless you know an important person in the army or police.

Yes phnom penh has change a lot since 2 years, next will be probably sihanoukville. And the worst is coming.

Hollow Man
06-14-09, 22:42
Last weeks I was walking from NewYork Hotel to the Sorya Shopping center at about six pm. Took a moto and in 2 min and half dollar I was there. Not so dark yet.

Better not to walk alone in dark places and use the trusted birkers or (better) taxi drivers to move around in the night.

Next vacation will be in Thailand.That's sad to hear. That is considered the main road with the bus stations and such. Pretty much means no place (tourist/business) there is safe anymore.

Stew2
06-15-09, 02:31
I went to luxury world hotel about a month ago. Large fishbowl with about 25 khmer, 25 vietnamese and a few chinese. Massages are $5/hour for khmer and viet and $7 for chinese (a couple extra for VIP room). There were a few cute khmer and viet girls none of the chinese were worth it and I am sure they would have wanted more for extras. It looked like it catered for asian customers mainly but I didn't have any problems.

I took a khmer girl, number 48, for a couple of hours. The room has big posters saying no sexual activity allowed. She spoke very little english but after a bit of a massage she asked if I wanted bom-bom. She went and showered and came back. While she was playful with the massage and then foreplay when it came to it she didn't interact very well but she was very tight.

I gave her $30 for the two hours which she seemed content with although she asked for 5o initially.Decided to try Luxury. It's on the corner of Monivong and St 200. Tuk tuk driver knew it once we got straight on the pronunciation of Luxury.

Fishbowl is as described. Viet girls to one side in yellow, Khmer girls in black, and a few Chinese on the side. I selected a girl based on interaction. Many of the Viets were smiling to attract me, but most of the Khmers were not. Nonetheless, I was interested in a Khmer, so I persisted and selected one who was showing interest in trying to attract me. I think I actually had the same girl as Bobz12 (at least my memory is that her number was 48, but not 100% sure of my memory of the number). But she has reddish tinted hair, and name is Kunthea. Attractive shape, natural 34s. More of a nice girl next door look than a head-turner.

Went upstairs, showered solo, then massage. As nothing more was being offered, I raised the issue, and sure enough, boom boom was on offer. For 50 (LOL) and I countered with 15 (LOL) she wanted 30, I said 30 would have to include yum yum, which she said she would only do covered for 40. So I eventually settled for boom boom for 25.

She then showered and emerged. Service was fairly mechanical. No kissing, not much effort to pretend she was having a good time. So cannot really recommend, though you never know if there are some gems there with a better attitude.

Dolphin12
06-15-09, 15:30
From The Economist this weekend:
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13832459

The sex industry in Cambodia
The traffic police

Jun 11th 2009 | PHNOM PENH
From The Economist print edition

Partly to allay the previous American administration’s concerns about trafficking, Cambodia in February 2008 outlawed prostitution. Three months later the State Department took Cambodia off its annual “watch-list” of [CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909) countries. But the police read the law as entitling them to lock up all sex-workers, not help victims of trafficking.Could the American administration please be so kind and stick their nose into their own country and suppress their own people with "prostitution traps" and all other kinds of prohibition shit, if they feel that they have to! And then, why are they suppressing their own people ? Is this still a free country?

AdHome01
06-16-09, 22:52
Could someone tell me if Walkabout is strickly ST? Every girl I got from there said they had to go back after a few hours (even if I offered them more money to stay overnite). Two of them left, went bar to the bar, came back two hours later and stayed the night. I don't know if it's the bar or they just needed a fix, couldn't get a straight answer.

Thanks

Jinashi
06-17-09, 04:55
I just got back from a good trip in PP. I didn't really see the dangerous side of it, I had a really good time. I probably owe that to my driver though. It was my first trip so I hired Sovan Mee (sovan_mee@yahoo.com). He knew all the good places to go, including the bars with beautiful girls like this one. He charged about 30/day, not bad for a personal taxi the whole day. Sovan speaks English well, so there weren't any communication problems. To show my gratitude the best I can do is recommend him to those not yet acquainted with the city.

I think out of all the bars I visited, 104 was the best. The girls there were a lot of fun.

To sum up the trip, will repeat.

Sammon
06-17-09, 05:31
Could someone tell me if Walkabout is strickly ST? Every girl I got from there said they had to go back after a few hours (even if I offered them more money to stay overnite). Two of them left, went bar to the bar, came back two hours later and stayed the night. I don't know if it's the bar or they just needed a fix, couldn't get a straight answer.

ThanksYou need to discuss before you take the girl all issues.

1. How long she will stay with you.

2. How much money.

3. What services she will perform.

4. Bigger tips relating to the performance.

Too many mongers do not discuss and take the girl and complain later. In my experience most girls stay the night. Only one time a girl from 104 bar wanted to go after one pop complaining stomach ache. I paid her only the short time rate and let her go with no tip. Because she agreed to stay all night.

All girls unless they really like you a lot tries to get away with less action, shortest time.

Also be aware sometimes irrespective of the agreement at the bar they may try to sneak out giving one reason or another. These thing happen a lot in angelkes city, Philippines. The girls told me they devise a sceme where at a perticular time they would arrange their friend to call on the phone.

Suddenly the girl will tell you she had to go because of an emergency. Most of thje mongers fall for this. But in AC the whole fee is paid already.

In all countries discuss with the girl before you take her. Most of the time it will avoid misunderstandings unless the girl likes you.

Fast Eddie 48
06-17-09, 06:13
Could someone tell me if Walkabout is strickly ST? Every girl I got from there said they had to go back after a few hours (even if I offered them more money to stay overnite). Two of them left, went bar to the bar, came back two hours later and stayed the night. I don't know if it's the bar or they just needed a fix, couldn't get a straight answer.

ThanksAdhome01,

Yes most girl at Walkabout only want st, they do 3-4 customer a day most will tell you they have to go early sister or father is sick, but you will see them later at the bar with another customer, I don't know how much you offer them for all night and why they don't want to stay with you, I think is better to just get another st girl later for 15 usd.

Fast Eddie 48

Dreams1973
06-17-09, 10:36
Hi guys,

I'll be in PP next month and I'm interesting in meeting girls skillfull in massage and after obviously in boom boom. Can you help me? I read about luxury hotel. Are there other place? I am not interesting in brothels or very bad massage center but maybe some spa where it is possible to find an happy end. What about the intercontinental?

Thanks in advance

Jan 156
06-17-09, 15:01
Adhome01,

Yes most girl at Walkabout only want st, they do 3-4 customer a day most will tell you they have to go early sister or father is sick, but you will see them later at the bar with another customer, I don't know how much you offer them for all night and why they don't want to stay with you, I think is better to just get another st girl later for 15 usd.

Fast Eddie 48

Remember they're independent. They can just do what they feel like. I've had to kick a sweet girl out cos I wanted to do other girls in a short space of time. She, on the other hand, had decided to move in . . .

Redlord59
06-17-09, 23:14
During my last visit in Cambodia (PhnomPenh) I used to spend my daytime driving around by bike. Not a safe way to spend your time if you can't deal with the crazy traffic of this small but chaotic city.

Anyway after few hours exploring the place I used to have a lunch somewhere and then back to my hotel (NewYork), taking a shower and a short nap and then walk to the Walkabout for the late afternnon drink and a "ladies check". Usually there are twenty of more ladies around at that time in this place and for 10 bucks you can relax and shag for a couple of hours back in your hotel room. Normally everything is on the menu with the Walkabout Girls (BJ, anal and so on.).

Do not expect a GFE but just a normal honest sex service, no emotions involved. Generally speaking they are not so beautiful but not also so ugly.

Treat them kindly and you will be rewarded by a good service.

After the evening room-exercise I used to have a good late dinner in one of my favorite places: PomLok, FC Club and some others along the riverside.

After that it was normal to take a look at the Sharky or Martinis.

Before 2AM I had generally found some good companion for the night.

20$ was the normal price for the long time with an extra 10$ tip agreed if the performance was good.

Indeed I had few runners and few poor services and normally the night companions have been very professional and willing to please.

A couple of them difficult to send away in the morning.

One time I had to send one back quickly as she looked sick (VD) and with serious behawiural problems. In ten days I met only one stunner (martinis) but with a bad attitude (she was one of the runners) and a couple of beauties (one very lovely and looking for a real boyfriend).

Never spent more that 30$ for LT services.

Apart the safety issue PP is a cheap place for sex and a dirty and boring place for tourism so not bad if you know what is your primary goal in the visit.

Have a good fun but watch your back.

Sorry for my bad english.

Joe

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Dinghy
06-19-09, 18:32
It's probably the best in PP, but pricey and WAY away from the primary action

They figure that IF you have the $$$ to stay there you are a big boy (don't know if they check ID or not)

Dinghy
06-19-09, 18:38
by the way - W-A girls do whatever they please - but had one - paid for what I thought was ST, she left and then came back a couple of hours later and FINALLY woke me up (tend to sleep like a log) and stayed the rest of the night.

Fast Eddie 48
06-22-09, 00:07
by the way. W-A girls do whatever they please. But had one. Paid for what I thought was ST, she left and then came back a couple of hours later and FINALLY woke me up (tend to sleep like a log) and stayed the rest of the night.Dinghy,

You must got a comfortable bed at your hotel, which hotel did you stay at did you charge her for overnight stay.

Hahaha

Fast Eddie 48

Dragonfly22
06-23-09, 20:28
Would appreciate info on any gf hotels near Walkabout, I fear Walkabout would drive me crazy with the noise all night. Thanks in advance fellow mongers and keep up the good work.

Dinghy
06-24-09, 06:21
Flamingo was OK - but any hotel is a b i t c h when the TEMPLE wakes you up at 7AM $25/night

Phil Istine
06-24-09, 15:05
Look don't want to be a smartarse but I do live here and have for too long.

Booked my mate into the paragon two weeks ago on the riverside.

It has a lift, $23 rooms with a window, discretion, a la flamingo they ring as the girl leaves to make sure that all is OK and it is clean and new.

Mattresses, sheets and towels are new apparently.

Better still it is near the corner of 136 with the best entertainment in town within 200 metres.

So many bars, the fox is close and very pleasant in the daytime, candy bar is open 24 hours and there are some great girls in there as well as good pizza and killer margaritas, iris next door is good as is thearys diagonally opposite.

Best of all, cheerleaders on 19, go down 136 and take the first left.

Bar of choice for residents at the moment, so many girls and so many nice ones. Big titted dancing girls who look great as well as non dancers.

My mate used to do the flamingos, walkabou, sharkey, martini thing-forget it now. We went to the midway bars last night, near the corner of 108 and 51-good!

Had a great time in golden vine or was it zapata with so many girls with big tits.

My mate got the number of a hot viet there last night who he called today, she was around to the hotel in a flash and gave great service.

Tomorrow another mate arrives, this one a potential victim, his first time in Cambodia.

We will start early, four of us at the LCC followed by mikado-he will be spinning by now then maybe after an interval up to the cheerleaders!

Poor bugger-he is doomed.

Interesting tit bit so to speak, this mate here tomorrow has a huge dick as does another mate here.

In a bar the other night, the boys were on the sofas at the back of some bar and the girls caught sight of the monster-they swooned apparently.

Now we have two guys, both oldish, both of average stature but with huge dicks.

You think that we won't milk this, so to speak, at every place we go? We want a contest, out in the open to see who has the biggest dick.

Ahh what a great town.

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Seght Traveler
06-24-09, 15:18
Sorry, I think I posted this in the wrong section earlier.

Anyone been to ROCK Entertainment Center (aka the ROCK)? What is the scene like and what are the prices? Hoping some highroller has the info.

Thanks

AdHome01
06-24-09, 18:21
I'm a Cambodia newbie but have gone twice in the past month (short trips). I stayed at Flamingos both times and liked it. The staff is friendly, the rooms are decent (with safe) and the location is good. I never had a problem with noise.

It is a block from Walkabout and across the street from Shanghai and right on the corner is Black Cat. I think it's a good, safe place for a 1st timer who doesn't know the area.

If you need a driver, check out Saran in the Classified Ads section.

Have fun!

Spain
06-24-09, 23:07
Hi Phil Istine

Candy Bar is a place only for dring, chat and eat or you can take a girl to the hotel for LT or ST?

Its posibel in Candy bar service ST with staff girl?

You can show me the exact address of Candy Bar?

Thanks

Phil Istine
06-27-09, 02:37
Been to rock many times,cambodian kids hangout really.Super loud music in a really nice venue.Beer a few dollars each.

Spark and spark blue very similar but at least one of them has massage and karaoke for khmer speakers only.

Candy bar is a hostess bar in 136 first block from the river beween iris and huxley.
Of course one can take girls short time or long time-this is cambodia.

Other good places are the golden boss on the northern end of the riverside and near wat phnom the casa club with lost of viet girls in the dico after midnight.

No many barang go.

Heard last night about the place,big new multi story gym building in sihanouk near pasteur.

Rooftop bar is cool but now also have a nightclub on level 5,lots of vietnamese girls and really beautiful apparently.

Drinks a little expensive but has to be good.

Hopefully next week we go to the exclusive karaoke,report to follow.

Shadow6491
06-27-09, 10:33
The main hall of Rock maybe for the kids, but the rest of the venue sure is not. I have been there with some Chinese and Khmer business men to a Karaoke room. They do have some nice girls there including some models but most of them are just everyday 7's. How do I now one of them was a model? she went and got the magazine she was in. Do they go? Yes they mostly do, but it will cost you $50+ for the night. But if you are prepared to spend a hundred or so each to drink and play with the girls in the room for a few hours that should be no obsticle.

Spain
06-27-09, 11:47
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I have a very important issue with Candy Bar and I would send you an e-mail private, but not in this place I can send an e-mail

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Shadow6491
06-28-09, 01:21
Spain,

All the girls that I know in Candy go outside for a ST or a LT. The barfine is $8. As for the staff behind the bar well that is like most hostess bars in that the girls either dont go out or only go ocasonaliy with guys that they like or pay big money. For regular customers ie people that they know they have a rooms on the premisis for another $10. An expensive option when you could go to a hotel during the day for $2 or at night for $5.

Phil Istine
06-28-09, 01:49
Went to LCC with the boys last night including the new victim.

He lasted two minutes before retiring upstairs!!

Next stop mikado-a good lineup and another chap went up.

Tcvve
06-28-09, 05:43
Been to rock many times,cambodian kids hangout really.Super loud music in a really nice venue.Beer a few dollars each.

Spark and spark blue very similar but at least one of them has massage and karaoke for khmer speakers only.

Candy bar is a hostess bar in 136 first block from the river beween iris and huxley.
Of course one can take girls short time or long time-this is cambodia.

Other good places are the golden boss on the northern end of the riverside and near wat phnom the casa club with lost of viet girls in the dico after midnight.

No many barang go.

Heard last night about the place,big new multi story gym building in sihanouk near pasteur.

Rooftop bar is cool but now also have a nightclub on level 5,lots of vietnamese girls and really beautiful apparently.

Drinks a little expensive but has to be good.

Hopefully next week we go to the exclusive karaoke,report to follow.

Where is Rooftop bar located in Phnom penh?

Thanks
TC.

El Greco
06-28-09, 10:24
Look don't want to be a smartarse but I do live here and have for too long.

Booked my mate into the paragon two weeks ago on the riverside.

It has a lift, $23 rooms with a window, discretion, a la flamingo they ring as the girl leaves to make sure that all is OK and it is clean and new.

Mattresses, sheets and towels are new apparently.

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Hi Phil

First of all let me thank for your report.

I'll be passing from PP sometime in the near future, most possibly on visa run from BKK, and I would appreciate if you can provide any contact info for the Paragon hotel. Also do they provide in room internet access either Lan or Wi-Fi and is it for free?

Thanks

Spain
06-28-09, 10:54
Forgive my difficulty with the English language. I do not speak English well.

I met a girl last August in the Battambang. I have been with his family in December Bantey Manchey. With his mother, his sister, with the entire family. She was my girlfriend. Since two months ago told me that working at the Candy Bar and she is not with tourists.

Last Thursday I called the phone and appeared drunk or drugged. I never met her in those circumstances. If she goes with tourists, cease to be my girlfriend.

I love a lot this girl. If anyone knows, please describe about it. The name is Nida, 25 years old.

If she works there and goes with tourists, I have finished this beautiful relationship.

Thanks for your help!

William Saw
06-29-09, 01:29
Forgive my difficulty with the English language. I do not speak English well.

I met a girl last August in the Battambang. I have been with his family in December Bantey Manchey. With his mother, his sister, with the entire family. She was my girlfriend. Since two months ago told me that working at the Candy Bar and she is not with tourists.

Last Thursday I called the phone and appeared drunk or drugged. I never met her in those circumstances. If she goes with tourists, cease to be my girlfriend.

I love a lot this girl. If anyone knows, please describe about it. The name is Nida, 25 years old.

If she works there and goes with tourists, I have finished this beautiful relationship.

Thanks for your help!Why keep a cow when there is milk everwhere.

Eka11
06-29-09, 16:52
Hi Phil

First of all let me thank for your report.

I'll be passing from PP sometime in the near future, most possibly on visa run from BKK, and I would appreciate if you can provide any contact info for the Paragon hotel. Also do they provide in room internet access either Lan or Wi-Fi and is it for free?

ThanksLet me google that for you (http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=hotel+paragon+phnom+penh+yellowpages)

Internet I don't know but many restaurant outside the hotel have free internet.

Spain
06-29-09, 21:19
William,

You're right, thanks for your advice.

Wendella
06-30-09, 15:37
William,

You're right, thanks for your advice.

Suggestion: post this same question over in Other Areas, not Phnom Penh. Phil Istine posts there too.

I've never been to Battambang, have no idea about this "Candy's" though it sure does sound like the name of a bar for foreigners.

Long distance relationships are generally not a smart idea. You have no control and only get to think about fond memories and fears. The fact that you're wondering about what she's doing means you probably haven't had enough time to build real trust with her yet. Where did you meet her?

I'm not necessarily saying 'forget about it' but the odds are slim it can work out.

Broko
06-30-09, 19:14
I met a girl last August in the Battambang. I have been with his family in December Bantey Manchey. With his mother, his sister, with the entire family. She was my girlfriend. Since two months ago told me that working at the Candy Bar and she is not with tourists.

I love a lot this girl. If anyone knows, please describe about it. The name is Nida, 25 years old.If you want I can check her end of July. Just let me know. I know the bar coz im living in Cambodia.

Spain
06-30-09, 22:59
I go to Cambodia for 10 years. I am well aware of all the environments of women, I know very well the Cambodian custom and tradition with the women in town. I am not a beginner at this place. But all, as we are, we fall in love someday. Cambodian women and is very good woman. You will not find women in Cambodia in Spain or in Europe.

Next August will travel to Phnom Penh. My favorite place: Golden Boss Dancing. My first, and never come back: Martini, Sharky Bar, Sophie, Shanghai Bar ... A very poor quality of many women and women with alcohol and drug problems.

20-30 dollars a night is a very low price. A very poor quality of women. You think these women have sex Martini several times a day, with several foreign ... It is better to go to places where women are more beautiful, a little more expensive but higher quality.

We note here where women are quality. I prefer:

Karaoke in Phnom Penh Hotel, La Casa Hotel.

Guapo28
07-01-09, 04:00
Went to Le Cyrcee, it has been posted previously that they can be bargained down to $15, however, I found this to no longer be the case and I even talked to the manager. The price is now $20 for the girl, $5 room charge (on premises) and $3 for lady drink, which is a mandatory charge when you barfine whether you order one or not, so the grand total is $28. Otherwise, quality looked very good, you will be immediately swarmed by very friendly, cute and young girls all competing for you. Otherwise, I walked around the general area patronizing most of the places, wasn't able to find a better price (with the exception of Walkabout, where I ended, $15 for girl, $7 for hotel, but the looks of the girls were not as good as the other places, better to spend $6 more for a hottie). Some of the girls elsewhere wanted even more, I found one who wanted $50 (plus room- WTF this is Cambodia) and one who wanted $30 plus room. On the positive side, they never really hit me up for drinks, which is very different, in typical mongering if you want to talk/negotiate with a girl a drink is mandatory, but no one even asked so I don't think I bought a lady drink all night.

Phil Istine
07-01-09, 11:21
Rooftop bar at the place,just west of street 51 on sihanouk boulevard.Big multi story building with lots of black lexie outside-you cant miss it.

Nida at candy from battambang,maybe my mate has fucked her.He has done five there recently.

Spain is right golden boss near the riverside and casa cliub have great girls.

Why people still go the sharkey,walkabou,martini route baffles me.

maikado is great value at 20 and LCC 25 all good.

The bars are full of great girls,candy,updown,thearys,cheerleaders,dream and then there is st 104.

Met a cute little thing at LCC the other nght and the first thing she said was i suck you and you come in my mouth-whatever was she getting at?

Why these girls insist on beating around the bush beats me.

Got to go have a shower and hit the bars,latest tip is level 5 at the place-chokkas with viet girls.

Spain
07-01-09, 21:27
Rooftop bar at the place,just west of street 51 on sihanouk boulevard.Big multi story building with lots of black lexie outside-you cant miss it.

Nida at candy from battambang,maybe my mate has fucked her.He has done five there recently.

Spain is right golden boss near the riverside and casa cliub have great girls.

Why people still go the sharkey,walkabou,martini route baffles me.

maikado is great value at 20 and LCC 25 all good.

The bars are full of great girls,candy,updown,thearys,cheerleaders,dream and then there is st 104.

Met a cute little thing at LCC the other nght and the first thing she said was i suck you and you come in my mouth-whatever was she getting at?

Why these girls insist on beating around the bush beats me.

Got to go have a shower and hit the bars,latest tip is level 5 at the place-chokkas with viet girls.Hi Phil,

I see you talk Nida from Battambang. Can you tell your experience with this girl? How macht for LT? You have to post photos here?

Greetings

Wendella
07-02-09, 05:45
Hi Phil,

I see you talk Nida from Battambang. Can you tell your experience with this girl? How macht for LT? You have to post photos here?

Greetings

I misunderstood in your earlier post, I thought you meant that Candy Bar was in Battambang. I haven't been to PP in over a year, hadn't heard of it there. It is in PP, right? Where is it exactly?

Phil Istine mentions a rooftop bar on Sihanouk Blvd -- is that Candy he is talking about or some other place? (not clear!)

Shadow6491
07-02-09, 11:49
Candy Bar is on street 136 it is one of the biggest bars in Phnom Penh. It is aprox 3 standard shop fronts wide. It is open 24 hours with hostess there all the time. It has good priced food at lunch times although this has recently gone up.

Wendella
07-02-09, 14:27
Candy Bar is on street 136 it is one of the biggest bars in Phnom Penh. It is aprox 3 standard shop fronts wide. It is open 24 hours with hostess there all the time. It has good priced food at lunch times although this has recently gone up.

It's a bar-restaurant? So it sounds like these aren't the same type of girls as in the bars at St 104 then. What kinds of 'hostesses' are we talking about then? Is this the kind of place where good girls also work, or is it one where they seem available.

Spain seems to have jumped to the wrong conclusion that Phil Istine had met his girl. Phil was only saying his friend MAY have done something with her, but hadn't checked to find out for sure.

Spain
07-02-09, 21:34
Thank you all for the replies. Sorry for the error. It was a great time with my girlfriend for a long time and now I am concerned by this situation. She says that does not make sex with tourists, but I'm sure it does.

Cambodia is very large and has many beautiful girls.

Greetings to all

Shadow6491
07-05-09, 06:59
It's a bar-restaurant? So it sounds like these aren't the same type of girls as in the bars at St 104 then. What kinds of 'hostesses' are we talking about then? Is this the kind of place where good girls also work, or is it one where they seem available.

Spain seems to have jumped to the wrong conclusion that Phil Istine had met his girl. Phil was only saying his friend MAY have done something with her, but hadn't checked to find out for sure.

No it is very much the same girls that work in the bars on 104. In fact it is run by the girl that also runs 69 and some of the other bars. So the girls actualy move back and forth as they are required. I dont know exactly what the employment contacts are but I would not be surprised if the are not tied to the one bar but rather the group of bars that she runs. However she does have partners in some of the other bars that may stop this from happening offically. But it sure does unoffically and it pisses the other partners off.

So in Short it is exactly the same hostess bar set up as 69, night owl, great palm, etc, etc but it is open 24 hours a day and has a kitchen and rooms.

Phil Istine
07-06-09, 19:04
Candy bar is good,my legless mate had five girls from there in six nights!

I met a stunner in there,fresh from a waitress job in siem riep.

Times are tough up there.

My mate says that he definietly did the girl that spain mentions and she was good!

Wendella
07-07-09, 06:00
Candy bar is good,my legless mate had five girls from there in six nights!

I met a stunner in there,fresh from a waitress job in siem riep.

Times are tough up there.

My mate says that he definietly did the girl that spain mentions and she was good!

Your friend sure does like candy.

Sounds like case closed on this one.... except for one detail. Legless?

I was still curious how Spain had met this girl, but it looks like it's a moot point now. Even if he met her in a convent, she's no nun anymore.

Phil Istine
07-07-09, 19:12
Yeah poor bugger hasnt got a leg to stand on anymore.

Caught a virus and turned black all over,gangrenous legs had to come off about eight months ago.

He was unsure how the girls would treat him this time,he had been many times previously.

I didnt know either but one night out showed that he got the sympathy vote every time-the girls were really keen!

I was stumped,as was he!

He also put his hand out to beggars-look at me barang lehim leharm.

It was great.

Spain
07-07-09, 22:56
My friend, in Candy Bar, responded with this e-mail.

I do not know any girl from the class of copper bars 100-200 a night. Or is it a girl superstar?:

================

Thank you so much for everything how do you thing about me i can do or not? yes no good for me if i sele my self do you can support me every month? i don't want sex with them for 20 o r30 USD like you thing. They ask me to go with them about 100_200 USD i don't too. do you want me do like that?. I Love you for ever!

Spain
07-07-09, 22:59
Next August I will be in Phnom Penh.

Someone can tell me any reference of this hotel?

http://www.thequayhotel.com/

This Hotel is girlfriend?

Thanks

Phil Istine
07-08-09, 14:24
Quay is beautiful,lovely rooms and a bar on the roof with a small swimming pool.

Cost the FCC a fortune and may ruin them yet.

And yes like nearly all hotels girl friendly.

Exceptions pavilion and billabong.

Member #2453
07-08-09, 18:06
I will in PP in August, as i'm getting a special offer of 130$ per night at this hotel, I would like to know if its guest friendly?

Thanks in advance.

Sovanmee
07-09-09, 01:02
I'd two clients were stayed at Raffl hotel since last month. One guy from America and another from Uk. They took every is guest from hostes bar to thier room. I haven't seen anything happen to him. So, we could say Raffl is allow your guest in.
Cheers

Phantomtiger2
07-09-09, 01:21
I will in PP in August, as i'm getting a special offer of 130$ per night at this hotel, I would like to know if its guest friendly?

Thanks in advance.


Depends as Raffles is a 5star hotel.
A friend of mine did have a "guest" go with him to room but he said she was more upscale hooker and looked and dressed the part.
Not sure if hotel security will let in a cheap looking hooker though as some classy hotels have to keep an image-ha ha

PT

Betong
07-09-09, 07:43
Cost the FCC a fortune and may ruin them yet.That would take some doing -- they've been absolutely minting money for years. You have to admire their business record, though I do miss having a press club that's still worthy of the name.

Phil Istine
07-10-09, 14:36
Don't know who tells you stories Betong, no one in Phnom Penh mints money.

FCC has been rumoured to be losing heaps for a long time.

Siem Riep last week the place was dead as was post happy hour in phnom penh last week.

They have spent heaps for not much return lately.

Spain
07-10-09, 22:03
What is the times to find the girls at Casa Hotel?

What is the approximate price for ST or LT of the girls there?

Karaoke Casa Hotel in what is the barfine for take the girl inside?

What is the charge the girl for a LT?

Casa Hotel is guestfriendlich?

Greetings !

Betong
07-11-09, 10:05
They have spent heaps for not much return lately.That I'll grant you. But they did earn the heaps to start with. Apparently they did just fine last high season in both PP & SR, though of course the real test is the other 8 months of the year.

Not that I care much. They've become pretty irrelevant to all but guidebook-toting tourists.

Wendella
07-12-09, 05:58
What is the times to find the girls at Casa Hotel?
What is the approximate price for ST or LT of the girls there?
Karaoke Casa Hotel in what is the barfine for take the girl inside?
What is the charge the girl for a LT?
Casa Hotel is guestfriendlich?


The girls come to Casa karaoke in evening -- not all at once but more and more during the evening. I think there are lots more there evenings than daytime. Last time I asked, it was $50 for the girl LT but had to pay $15 fine. Or you could pay the $15 for a room there and spend time with her there first (tho then you would need to buy drinks etc.) I'm pretty sure that hotel is both gastfreundlich (in German) and guest friendly (English). ;)

Bowerboy
07-12-09, 10:01
I am currently on Phnom Penh and wanted to report some findings:

The Place (Just west of Street 51 on Sihanouk Boulevard).
Went there last night (Saturday) around 11pm and stayed until midnight. Very high end nightclub and a bit hard to work out really. I didnt see any obvious working girls although there were a few russian looking girls with Asian guys. I got the feeling that this was not a place for mongering or if it is then you coulod expect to pay high prices. I did see one Viet looking girls who looked like a possibility but she was really nothing special and didnt ask. Overall the place was really very quiet.


Street 63
I have used these places before and never any problem but this time was completely different. Never go to these places it is absolutely true that they will try to rip you off. I went in and they asked $30 for a girl and i said no way, $10 is maximum and they accepted this. Get into the room and girl asks me to hang my shorts on hook near door and I said no i keep on bed. She simply refused to go any further unless I hung my shorts on the hook. She shouted something then in Vietnamese and I quickly opened the door and sure enoogh i saw 2 guys outside the door who quickly bolted down the corridor!! Amazing and not an urban myth after all. I put my stuff back on and demanded my money back and finally we settled on half, meaning they gave me back $5...unbelievable man, why do they have to do that shit!! In contrast the plave on street 154 near to Norodom boulevard was fine and no problems at all. I dont think they any intention to rip people off there.


Luxury Hotel (Close to corner of Monivong and street 200)
This place is very hit or miss and frustrating. Graet selection of girls in the fish bowl and it seems i got really lucky on the first day. Lovely Khner girl who gave great full service including great yum yum for $25 no haggling. Went back today and bit of a nightmare. Lovely girl but wanted $60 for yum yum and boom boom!! I said no way and finally she agreed to $30 for boom boom only. The problem is that the rooms have doors with windows so every one can see what is happening as you walk by. First day was lucky as room was end of corridor so girl was ok that light was dimmed only....second day room was fully exposed and so she wanted to completely turn off the lights...to me this is totally pointless to P4P in the dark..so finally she wouldnt agree to have some light so we didnt do anything, just massage only. She was pretty pissed off but she would not relent on lighting or price. Weird thing is that their are hooks either side of window to hang a towel across but they refused to do this....really quite frustrating and seemed a little stupid to me, kimd of hard to work out the logic. This place seems very hit and miss.

Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout
Why in gods name would anyone ever go these places. Fucking awful awful places. If you are in Phnom Penh and still visiting these places then it is time to take a long hard look at yourself. End of story.

Streets 104 and 136
These bars are pretty good and really quiet now so the girls are very keen to go with customers, Took an absolutely lovely, slim 20 year old Khmer girl from a bar on 104 but i cant remember the name of the bar. Plenty to choose from there though. All the girls seemed keen to go with a client as there are very few clients around. Highly recommended for a look. Paid the girl $25 and $10 to the bar (not sure if that is right or not) but she was an absolute stunner.

Le Cyrcee
Gone way down hill in my opinion. Full of mostly lower teir Khmer girls now. What happened to all the hard body Vietnamese girls!! It was ok though and the rooms upstairs were functioning and i did take one girl up there. In fairness the service was excellent and although I prefer the hard body Vietnamese this girl was very service minded and included very good and unhurried yum yum.

Summary
Phnom Penh has gone way way way down hill over the years and the slide continues. In my opinion no longer a whoring destination of note although in fairness I did have a great time but took quite a lot of effort and a few wasted dollars here and there. Big question is what the hell happened to all the Vietnamese girls?? That for me used to be the highlight of Phnom Pemh but they are pretty much gone now. This place is very quiet at the moment and I would have to say that it is a buyers market right now. I doubt that I will ever come back to Phnom Penh for whoring but realise that it could be especially quiet now as it is low season.

Spain
07-12-09, 11:27
The girls come to Casa karaoke in evening -- not all at once but more and more during the evening. I think there are lots more there evenings than daytime. Last time I asked, it was $50 for the girl LT but had to pay $15 fine. Or you could pay the $15 for a room there and spend time with her there first (tho then you would need to buy drinks etc.) I'm pretty sure that hotel is both gastfreundlich (in German) and guest friendly (English). ;)Danke für alles, Wendella

Spain
07-12-09, 11:41
"Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout

Why in gods name would anyone ever go these places. Fucking awful awful places. If you are in Phnom Penh and still visiting these places then it is time to take a long hard look at yourself. End of story."

I agree with you.

Ten years ago was a different world Phnom Penh. Now for me it's a disappointment

Betong
07-12-09, 13:32
Phnom Penh has gone way way way down hill over the years and the slide continues.I'd say rather that it's changing, in ways that are good and bad.

The Street 63 brothels have always been dodgy and now they're just totally outrageous. No need to keep testing this out.

Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout: Agreed, pretty dreadful. One can find the occasional OK girl if you're willing to spend time in these places . . . but why do that?

Cyrcee: Sadly, I agree here too. I used to love this place but the current lineup is unimpressive.

104 & 136: This is the good part of the change. The hostess bars here, and elsewhere, are getting better than ever. It takes more effort, more money, and more chance of disappointment, but both quality and quantity are up, and there is some exquisite talent to be had.

In general I think the changes favor residents over visitors, especially if you speak a bit of Khmer. And, as you say, there's been a definite Khmer-isation of the scene. I too miss the Viet girls, but it was part of a certain historical generation and we probably won't see them in such numbers again.

Wendella
07-13-09, 05:48
Sharkeys, Martinis, Walkabout
Why in gods name would anyone ever go these places. Fucking awful awful places. If you are in Phnom Penh and still visiting these places then it is time to take a long hard look at yourself. End of story.

I've never been a fan of Walkabout or Sharky's -- have stopped in a few times but never saw anything I'd take in those 2 -- not sure if that's jsut luck or what. However, on my last 2 visits to PP, I've had great success in Martini. On each visit I spotted a really special cutie on the dance floor. First one was a petite, thin big-breasted new girl, 18 I believe, who was just delicious and all-out in bed. Second time was a tallish thin girl with a beautiful face. Only drawback was that she'd had a baby, but again at 19 and stunning, wish I had a mother who looked like that. I'd just been in Bangkok, and I did not see any girl at Nana or Cowboy who could match this one in looks. OK so maybe I was lucky. Last visit there was 2007, hard to believe its dropped off drastically since then.

Anyway, what is your problem (those of you who don't like it) with Martini, exactly? Some are turned off by the darkness of that dance floor. If you stay in there a few minutes your eyes adjust, and then (for me at least) it's the best spot in the place. I have been there some nights when there wasn't much interesting available, so I can understand your being down on it if that's been your experience. Over the years, for me Martini has always been a place that can be great one night and a dud the next. Even when it was at its old location in the southwest corner of the city (original spot). My first time there was 2001.

Wendella
07-13-09, 05:52
Danke für alles, Wendella

Bitte schön

Bowerboy
07-13-09, 07:44
In 2007 Martinis was still passable..i agree with that.....you cannot begin to imagine how much it has changed since then....it looks like a home for lost HIV and drug adicted single mothers.....the dance floor is empty now and so is the outdoor garden...maybe 30 nasty, HIV loking single moms mostly in their late twenties and early thirties....and the Vietnamese are all gone. This for me is the worst part of the demise of Phnom Penh...the complete lack of Vietnamese girls now!! They are noweher to be found anymore.

Last night I was in Cheerleaders in Street 136 and yes there were some really nice looking Khmer girls but they just dont quite do it for me....then some guy walked in with his Vietnamese girlfriend who used to work there and she was stunning an just infinetly (in my opinion) more sexy than th cambodian girls....it made me realise why I wanst really chomping at the bit to barfine a cambodian girl..while they are nice they just dont come anywhere close to those hard bodied Vietnamese girls....even the slim Cambodian girls just dont seem to have any firmness about them...

Always amazes me the physical difference between Thai, Cambodian and Vietnamese even though they are so geographically close...sorry waffling now.

Point is that since 2007 you cant blieve how far downhill Martinis (or Phnom Penh for that matter) has gone for the casual visitor.

Jallabar 1207
07-13-09, 13:19
Hey there, after browsing through the forum for a couple of weeks now I thought its time to pop my cherry.

I am doing a SEA trip in the end of this year and need a place to stay that has reliable broadband con. I assume staying in hostels won't do the job then right? Can you guys recommend any sources where I can find cheap condos in PP area?

Thanks,

Keep it up

Matt

Wendella
07-13-09, 16:07
In 2007 Martinis was still passable..i agree with that.....you cannot begin to imagine how much it has changed since then....

Strange. Why do you think this happened? It is slow season, so that can't help.

My last 2 finds in Cambodia were both Khmer, so that's no problem for me. I don't have preferences -- or, I prefer attractive girls regardless where they come from. There's certain types I see in Cambodia that I find more exotic than Vietnamese, sometimes, and then plenty of others that I don't. Both these were like that. Really beautiful girls are actually rare -- I'd guess less than 1 in 1000 girls. But I'd say I see some in every country I go to. Doesn't sound like you're seeing too many lately. Anyway, for me in PP, there've been plenty of nights where I didn't find what I was hoping for. But also some lucky strikes. PP doesn't really have enough monger tourists to inspire its scene to grow, so it's pretty much up to the guys to sniff out where the girls have gone to, and then go there.

Spain
07-13-09, 22:43
Martini I conceived in 2000 and for me were the best times of Martini. Very few tourists. Was full of very pretty vietnam girls. It was the best time of Martini.

SovanMee taxi driver that was my best year. I did the very best in Phnom Penh Thanks Sovana Mee. I hope to see you in August.

Phantomtiger2
07-13-09, 23:26
I am currently on Phnom Penh and wanted to report some findings:


Street 63
I have used these places before and never any problem but this time was completely different. Never go to these places it is absolutely true that they will try to rip you off. I went in and they asked $30 for a girl and i said no way, $10 is maximum and they accepted this. Get into the room and girl asks me to hang my shorts on hook near door and I said no i keep on bed. She simply refused to go any further unless I hung my shorts on the hook. She shouted something then in Vietnamese and I quickly opened the door and sure enoogh i saw 2 guys outside the door who quickly bolted down the corridor!! Amazing and not an urban myth after all. I put my stuff back on and demanded my money back and finally we settled on half, meaning they gave me back $5...unbelievable man, why do they have to do that shit!!.



Thanks for posting Bowerboy, but sad you still got ripped for $5 and came away empty( at least cop a feel with the gal since you were there already).

BTW the real rate is $5 to begin with--bargain hard and you can get this rate as they are more interested in whats in your wallet =(hey this almost sounds like a Capital One card commercial) and trying to get you upstairs.

Just had to highlight what you said here as I had often told many many newbies(and some senior members) that this is NOT an urban myth (unlike the alligators in the NYC sewers) and shit does happen here. I can't count the number of times some bro PM me and said "I should've listen to you etc etc"-I will not mention any names as they all learned the lesson the hard way.
Still, having read all this, some will always try their luck there as they think this is "fun"-as told by a monger here. Well, good luck as several of us have gave fair warnings now.

PT

Redlord59
07-15-09, 13:14
After few weeks I am back and PP due to some business.

Weather is boring and the usual P4P places are almost empty.

Definitely a buyer market.

I cannot understand who complains about people who still "hunts" in the usual areas (Martini's, Sharky, Walkabout, etc.).

For sure there are many other interesting new places to visit.

But they start to look very similar to many bars in Thailand.

And if I want to spend an evening "hunting" in a beer bar or in a go-go no better place that Pattaya or Bangkok, why losing my time to come here in the 4th world Cambodia?

What used to make this Country (well. Phnom Penh) so different were the very sleazy and relaxed mood and the atmosphere that you can find (yes still now!) in these old bars.

Right now in Cambodia you got to watch your back more carefully than before (. Specially if you like to drink a lot and walk around alone in the night) but just talking about "hunting" among the many girls that indeed you find here, and you can find ladies for every taste, for sure you still can find some diamond in the rubbish! No bullshit.

Saturday Martini's was packed with girls, sharky's was ok, walkabout full after 3 am.

Nice, young, smiling and beatyful ladies. And also few monsters.

But that's normal. And generally speaking they are for sure younger and more beautyful and slimmer that the average beerbar ladies in Thailand!

So what the heck! This is a wonderful time if you play smart and have the time to choose.

Have a good holiday!

Phil Istine
07-15-09, 14:51
After lauding the casa I went a few weeks ago with a mate quite late and it was terrible, but there were all viet girls there. Lots of them but not our cup of tea. Golden boss is probably better.

The 5th floor nightclub at the place is reputed to have lots of beautiful viets but this is niek mien territory-hardup barangs fuck off.

Getting more dangerous here, first barang shot for his moto the other night-shot twice after he handed it over.

Wendella
07-15-09, 15:42
Martini I conceived in 2000 and for me were the best times of Martini. Very few tourists. Was full of very pretty vietnam girls. It was the best time of Martini.

SovanMee taxi driver that was my best year. I did the very best in Phnom Penh Thanks Sovana Mee. I hope to see you in August.

For me, I got there slightly after that, 2001. It was pretty good then. Though even in those days, some nights I'd go there and hang out for a few hours and never spot anything that seemed worth going for. And then leave, head elsewhere. Then some nights, would have better luck. I'd say when I was there in 2007, it was pretty much about the same in terms of quality as what I remember back in 2001. For me at Martini, even on good nights it meant I'd probablly have to hang out there awhile and hope something good showed up eventually. Sometimes it did, sometimes not. Sometimes I'd settle for something acceptable.

The hottest girl I ever saw in that place was Vietnamese. She was so hot one guy after another approached her (including me) but she wasn't interested, just kept dancing with her girlfriends. She looked like a fashion model, clearly stood out from the crowd there. Of the ones I took, the cutest ones that I still can remember were actually Cambodian girls. I sure took some VN there but just don't remember any of them now. One of the hottest I ever grabbed was an accident -- I met one girl I liked, tall skinny girl, and she talked me into taking her friend along with us. When I got in the taxi with them, took a closer look at her friend and was blown away. Gorgeous. Way hotter than the one I asked back. [both these girls were Cambodian, by the way] Unfortunately things didn't go great up in the room, the cute one ended up leaving earlier, got pissy about something and just couldnt' get past it. The skinny one never wanted to leave -- was there til next afternoon. Oh well. The threesome in this case was disappointing -- they wouldn't get in bed together. One or the other would wait in the toilet.

My last time in PP, I actualy visited St 63, went into one place and asked about taking a girl. This was evening, the place pretty busy. The mamasan told me the deal: pay $15 upfront. Knowing the routine in these places and how they're so out to screw over foreigners, this seemed completely out of the question -- it would be me paying that money and then probably not getting anything out of it other than fighting for my pants upstairs. Surely the girl's performance would be terrible, if there'd be any at all. The lady was not open to any negotiation. Half now, half after? No. (as if the foreigners were some kind of risk of leaving without paying-- please). So of course I skipped that one. Yeah I'd say these places are totally history.

Wendella
07-16-09, 04:55
After lauding the casa I went a few weeks ago with a mate quite late and it was terrible, but there were all viet girls there. Lots of them but not our cup of tea. Golden boss is probably better.
Are you talking about the disco being terrible or the karaoke upstairs, through the hotel? If the karaoke, if you got there very late, it'd be the leftovers you would be seeing, right?


The 5th floor nightclub at the place is reputed to have lots of beautiful viets but this is niek mien territory-hardup barangs fuck off.

Do you mean 5th floor nightclub at Golden Boss? Where's that? And what is 'niek mien'?

Spain
07-16-09, 21:52
I think Golden Boss is a disco dancing. Only have one floor!

Is Golden Bos one hotel?

Wendella
07-18-09, 04:59
I think Golden Boss is a disco dancing. Only have one floor!

Is Golden Bos one hotel?

Thanks Spain, now Im' even more confused. ;)

Phil Istine
07-18-09, 14:30
OK-The Place is a new multi story high class expensive gym with a fake starbucks,a nice bar on the roof and apparently a very flash nightblub with viet girls.

It is on sihanouk boulevard just west of st 51 rue pasteur.

The place is full of niek mien meaning literally people have.

They are the obscenely rich,spoilt cunts who steal the aid money and the land from the poor people.

They generally drive black lexie and they and their bodyguards have lots of guns and are not afraid to use them.

The golden boss is a ground floor disco on the north end of the riverside,near wat phnom and before the container port.

We went to the casa about midnight,not late at all and it was fucked.

Forgot to mention i was told about a show at disco one,an expensive crappy disco on st 174 corner of st 61 which sums up all that is obscene about cambodia.

Pre pubescent girls in bikinis all heavily made up dancing suggestively for a crowd of young spolit rich niek mien cunts who could see no problem with this.

Roguesta
07-19-09, 03:06
Mien means wealthy as well as have. The term nay-uk mien means 'the rich'.

Wendella
07-19-09, 09:45
OK-The Place is a new multi story high class expensive gym with a fake starbucks,a nice bar on the roof and apparently a very flash nightblub with viet girls.
It is on sihanouk boulevard just west of st 51 rue pasteur.
The place is full of niek mien meaning literally people have.
They are the obscenely rich,spoilt cunts who steal the aid money and the land from the poor people.
They generally drive black lexie and they and their bodyguards have lots of guns and are not afraid to use them.
The golden boss is a ground floor disco on the north end of the riverside,near wat phnom and before the container port.
We went to the casa about midnight,not late at all and it was fucked.
Forgot to mention i was told about a show at disco one,an expensive crappy disco on st 174 corner of st 61 which sums up all that is obscene about cambodia.
Pre pubescent girls in bikinis all heavily made up dancing suggestively for a crowd of young spolit rich niek mien cunts who could see no problem with this.

Alles klar. Now I realize The Place is the NAME of the place. I wasn't catching that. It's a GYM? Weird.

Now with this description, I know exactly where Golden Boss is -- I have gone past there, considered going in.

I wonder what the excuse was for the Disco 1 show.

btw, the peak time I noticed at Casa karaoke was around 8.30 to 9pm because all the girls had just shown up for their shifts and the groups hadn't arrived yet to pick the best ones. I walked into that room you see immediately at the top of the stairs and it was packed with girls, maybe as many as 100. But that was awhile back, not sure if if it's still the same. So basically, I'd consider midnight late, just based on what I saw. I'd expect the best to be grabbed by then. (and I could be wrong -- you're the one who lives there, I'm the tourist, so you probably have more up to date/thorough experience than me)

Yiddo
07-21-09, 07:11
I'm in PP right now, maybe my 20th visit since 1998. No doubt, the girl scene has steadily declined since then. No cute Viets any more, only old timers. Martini (usually a reliable option) has been dead all week. Sharky has been crap for years. Hostess bars full of sad, unattractive women who desperately mob you when you come in; even if there is the odd cutie it will be difficult to get her near you, and then you will find she is the one who doesn't go. Le Cyrcee full of dross and now asking for $25! Shanghai has several young cuties, none of whom will go. Walkabout full of skanks as ever. Street 63 brothels : hang on to your wallet, if you can be bothered to look there.I've been here 4 nights now and come up dry. Don't really know where else to look. Of course, it's all a matter of taste, but if you want 18-20 year old cuties, don't come here!

Member #4698
07-22-09, 02:58
I'm in PP right now, maybe my 20th visit since 1998. No doubt, the girl scene has steadily declined since then...Of course, it's all a matter of taste, but if you want 18-20 year old cuties, don't come here!Wow! I don’t know what to make of this. What a negative report. Is it objectively accurate or subjectively over stated? In my own experiences, I have been to some places (like Costa Rica) that were so great when I first travelled there 20 years ago that it really depresses me to go back now. Imagine being in Bangkok in the 70’s or Phuket before the hotels. This is the way of the modern world. Remember that old Police song “When the world is running down, you make the best of what’s still around.” My solution is to keep searching for new destinations farther and farther off the grid.

So I was not in Phnom Penh in ’98, or ’02, or ’05, so I can’t comment on what is was like back then. It must have been amazing. But I was in PP last March ’09 and I thought the scene was pretty good. I met some very attractive young Khmer girls in the hostess bars who showed a great time (check my posts). Can things have changed so drastically in 4 months? I do not know. All I know is that I had a great 4 nights back in March and I am planning to spend 12 nights when I return. If it’s no good, I will pay up, get on a plane, and go to Pattaya or AC.

Betong
07-22-09, 09:52
I met some very attractive young Khmer girls in the hostess bars who showed a great time (check my posts).Agree, the hostess bar scene is getting bigger and better all the time. It just takes a bit of exploring. The complaints come from people who keep going back to the same tired old places -- Sharkey's, Walkabout etc.

Ekspat
07-22-09, 10:49
I had some excellent fun in PP 2001 till 2004 and I also had the feeling it's getting downwards.
Since then I've never been back to PP.

Enjoy!

Wendella
07-23-09, 05:37
Agree, the hostess bar scene is getting bigger and better all the time. It just takes a bit of exploring. The complaints come from people who keep going back to the same tired old places -- Sharkey's, Walkabout etc.

Is the hostess bar scene still mostly confined to that smallish area up around St 104 these days?

That's a bummer that things have gone in that direction, because Im' in VN now where the main scene for foreigners is also hostess bars, and so it was nice to have a change of scenery in PP with the diff types of venues they had there where the most girls were available, such as Martini and others. Hostess bars get a bit boring if that's all you have. Also, total numbers smaller in each of those than in a place like Martini (before), so it means you have to go check out many more places to be able to view the same number of girls. Tedious. I much prefer going to just one place that has lots more girls all together at once.

Roguesta
07-23-09, 06:14
The Blue Lagoon was closed down, about a week ago, for having nude dancing.

Northern Axe
07-23-09, 06:40
I much prefer going to just one place that has lots more girls all together at once.Amen to that.

It is a bit worrying to read these reports about PP. I visited last time about 4 months back and then the place already was dead. But on my budget Phnom Penh is still a nice change for a couple of days/nights so i'm going back in 3 weeks to stay for 2 nights.

Why are all the viets gone? Anybody know the reason?

I'm really no big friend of the hostess bars but i guess i have to check them out a little better than i did on previous trips, even if i always managed to find a freelancer that satisfied me. I think that people who fail to find a lady for the night drink too little. Already after 10 beer most ladies start to look appealing to me.

Betong
07-23-09, 09:33
Is the hostess bar scene still mostly confined to that smallish area up around St 104 these days?No, they're all around now. Main areas include Streets 108, 118, 136, and 148, but others are popping up all over. I still like 104 best, just because it's a nice little street scene.

Opebo
07-23-09, 17:16
Agree, the hostess bar scene is getting bigger and better all the time. It just takes a bit of exploring. The complaints come from people who keep going back to the same tired old places -- Sharkey's, Walkabout etc.

Well it has been a year or two since I made it to Phnom Penh, but Martini's and Walkabout were still the best places, particularly if you care about service (by that I mean Viets). The hostess bars that I visited have all been very expensive, and seem to employ only Kmer girls, which don't interest me much due to poor service.

Given the trends I doubt I will return to Cambodia, unless I read something encouraging here.

Spain
07-23-09, 22:59
Is hotel Paragon guest Friendly?

Amjeck
07-24-09, 12:49
The hostess bars that I visited have all been very expensive, and seem to employ only Kmer girls, which don't interest me much due to poor service.


What are the current prices at the hostess bars?

Dinghy
07-24-09, 15:17
well gee, axe - is that like "I've never gone to bed with an ugly woman but I've woken up with a few!"?

side report - either the vitamins V, K and C just aren't working for me or the stuff from the pharmacies on ST 136 near the central market on the way to ST 51 is counterfeit of the INDIAN stuff.??? Try 1 pack before buying a batch of it.

The packets of gel K seem to work though - havent found source for apsalis gel there yet (available in Pattaya tho)

Northern Axe
07-24-09, 16:20
side report - either the vitamins V, K and C just aren't working for me or the stuff from the pharmacies on ST 136 near the central market on the way to ST 51 is counterfeit of the INDIAN stuff.??? Try 1 pack before buying a batch of it.

The packets of gel K seem to work though - havent found source for apsalis gel there yet (available in Pattaya tho)For me it's been the other way around, the vitamin-pills have been working great but when i bought a box with K-Jelly it turned out to be fake. Whatever was inside was like orange juice in consistence and didn't taste as bitter as it should. Never got any effect from the 2 i tried so i had to throw them in the bin. Try before buy! I usually buy my pills a little bit down 51 from 136 but the Jelly i bought from a pharmacy in the corner of 51-136.

Wendella
07-25-09, 07:59
For me it's been the other way around, the vitamin-pills have been working great but when i bought a box with K-Jelly it turned out to be fake. Whatever was inside was like orange juice in consistence and didn't taste as bitter as it should. Never got any effect from the 2 i tried so i had to throw them in the bin. Try before buy! I usually buy my pills a little bit down 51 from 136 but the Jelly i bought from a pharmacy in the corner of 51-136.

Just a suggestion, you guys should probably post the exact name (and/or address) of the place you bought these fakes from since there's a bunch of these places on that stretch and there's no way for readers here to know which places to avoid, exactly.

It may be that none of them can be trusted, or it may be that both of you bought from the same one place that can't be trusted.

Actually, Axe did specify one of his places as ON the corner of 51 & 136, so that one is clear at least.

I suppose you could go back to the place with the opened jelly packet, point down to the result and ask for your money back. "Look, it's obviously not working." ;)

SillyBastard
07-25-09, 15:04
Is hotel Paragon guest Friendly?Hola Spain.

Yes it is. Nice rooms, friendly owner and staff. The staff call you up after the guest leaves to make sure all is OK. Good place to stay and cheap too!

Adios Amigo!

Meepmeep99
07-25-09, 23:46
Hey there, after browsing through the forum for a couple of weeks now I thought its time to pop my cherry.

I am doing a SEA trip in the end of this year and need a place to stay that has reliable broadband con. I assume staying in hostels won't do the job then right? Can you guys recommend any sources where I can find cheap condos in PP area?

Thanks,

Keep it up

MattEver thought of just turning up?, i did, i never even thought to consult the internet before i went. It's funny really, i see everywhere newbies asking for info and it's as if they want to start to live there holiday before they get there. Why don't you turn up and ask people you meet for advice, there's a whole world out there. Although i'd do Tailand before Cambodia to get maximum culture shock benifit.

Wendella
07-26-09, 06:11
Ever thought of just turning up?, i did, i never even thought to consult the internet before i went. It's funny really, i see everywhere newbies asking for info and it's as if they want to start to live there holiday before they get there. Why don't you turn up and ask people you meet for advice, there's a whole world out there. Although i'd do Tailand before Cambodia to get maximum culture shock benifit.

You're right, it is as if they want to start their holiday before they get there. I can say first hand that this is part of the fun of the holiday, getting excited about it before you leave. And posting questions here and discussing it is part of that. I always do it before heading off to Thailand or Cambodia. I guess if they were content to jsut show up and find out, a lot fewer people would be here discussing the places. So it's a good thing, imo. They can still show up and ask people they meet, and if they haven't been here they'll still get the culture shock.

Betong
07-26-09, 07:15
I can say first hand that this is part of the fun of the holiday, getting excited about it before you leave. And posting questions here and discussing it is part of that.Absolutely. My only concern is when we get people who want to be spoon-fed every last little detail . . . what bar should I go to, what girl do I take, how much do I pay and what do I get for that. (I'm exaggerating but not much.) It's like those poor people wandering around with Lonely Planet surgically attached to their hand. It's a 'safe' holiday but not nearly as much fun as exploring and making your own discoveries.

Phil Istine
07-26-09, 09:32
I find the net invaluable before travelling and yes i do laugh at people who clutch their LP as their bible.

Before my first trip to PP I did my research and really enjoyed sophie,LCC,mikado etc etc.

I would not have known about them without the net,asking local khmers is a waste of time and asking local barang can be the same.

I meet so many people here who still dont know the best places to go.

Luckily beacause of ignorance there are still good places to go while the herd do the tired sharkey,WA and martini circuit.

As for cheap condos-how much is cheap?

There is a wide selection of apartments for rent from $250 upwards.

I have a mate who has serviced apartments on the riverside for $30 a night,much nicer than a hotel.

Meepmeep99
07-26-09, 23:18
Absolutely. My only concern is when we get people who want to be spoon-fed every last little detail . . . what bar should I go to, what girl do I take, how much do I pay and what do I get for that. (I'm exaggerating but not much.) It's like those poor people wandering around with Lonely Planet surgically attached to their hand. It's a 'safe' holiday but not nearly as much fun as exploring and making your own discoveries.Thats exactly what I'm talking about the 'spoon feeding of info' to total newbies and I don't think Cambodia is a place for first timers anyway. I never knew where any of the places were, but by after a few chats and chance meetings I ended up in cyrcee (spelling) heart of darkness. Can you imagine me being taken to a chicken farm for the first time, fantastic.

Meepmeep99
07-26-09, 23:27
You're right, it is as if they want to start their holiday before they get there. I can say first hand that this is part of the fun of the holiday, getting excited about it before you leave. And posting questions here and discussing it is part of that. I always do it before heading off to Thailand or Cambodia. I guess if they were content to jsut show up and find out, a lot fewer people would be here discussing the places. So it's a good thing, imo. They can still show up and ask people they meet, and if they haven't been here they'll still get the culture shock.Hey I'm not saying don't read the forum but just that as a total know nothing tourist to asia why not just get there and see for yourself then get on the net, I remember coming out of don muang for the first time straight into the humid noisy dark night didn't even have a hotel to go to and I'd never been as far as spain before.

Wendella
07-27-09, 11:27
Hey I'm not saying don't read the forum but just that as a total know nothing tourist to asia why not just get there and see for yourself then get on the net, I remember coming out of don muang for the first time straight into the humid noisy dark night didn't even have a hotel to go to and I'd never been as far as spain before.

Well, so did I, arrived at midnight at Don Muang, stayed a few days in BKK (ended up at some godforsaken hellhole of a hotel somewhere in the north of the city, my taxi driver's preferred spot I think) and then up to Chiang Mai. Totally missed out on Sukhumvit cuz I didn't know about it.

I suppose there's a happy medium to be found. And I guess different people like to do it different ways -- some like you, show up; others want to research before going. Takes all kinds.

Betong
07-27-09, 14:08
I don't think Cambodia is a place for first timers anyway.I don't either, but at this point we're not going to convince them. Airfares are cheap and they're convinced that SE Asia's a kind of theme park.

But really my feeling is that fellow hobbyists can approach this place any way they want. I'm just thankful that when I first came here there was zero information on it, and the only guys I could find to ask about it were all carrying guns -- the UNTAC troops!

Dinghy
07-27-09, 14:12
is that damned construction still closing the riverside area? Don't think I'll make it over anyway...

Spain
07-27-09, 22:30
Hola Spain.

Yes it is. Nice rooms, friendly owner and staff. The staff call you up after the guest leaves to make sure all is OK. Good place to stay and cheap too!

Adios Amigo!Gracias Amigo, yo estaré en Phnom Penh el 3 de agosto !!!!

Thank you!

SillyBastard
07-28-09, 20:44
Yes, I will be there too. I'm sure well meet up.

Take care.

Northern Axe
07-30-09, 16:09
Is Mikado open again?

Where is it located now? Any reports on price and quality of the ladies?

Dreams1973
07-31-09, 10:03
I'm just back from my periodic visit to PP. I had good experience at the fishbowl at Luxury World Hotel at the corner between Monovong and Street 200. At the first floor a big fishbowl with Kmher Vitnamist and Chinese girls with differetn colored clothes. I went the first time just after lunch 1.30pm and I found a lot of girls (maybe more than 50.) some very cute. I choose number 21 and I spent one wondeful hour with her. Htey charge 5$ for the room or 8$ for room with little sauna. I advise to choose that one for more privacy.(every room has little windosw on the door.(why? I don't know.) and the one with sauna are little bit more big and the bed is not just in front of the door.). The girls asked 40" and we closed for 25$. Obviously the massage was not really good but she was really GFE. She became soon wet and really enjoed at all. I came back the last days of my trip and I choosed again her. I spent one hour with her without massage and was a great experience.

Wendella
08-02-09, 08:51
At the first floor a big fishbowl with Kmher Vitnamist and Chinese girls with differetn colored clothes.

Sorry, what's a Vitnamist? Do you mean VIETNAMESE? Not being critical, I actually first thought you meant some kind of Khmer that I had never heard of. Now that I look at it again today, I think you must have meant "Khmer, Vietnamese and Chinese."

Dreams1973
08-03-09, 07:54
Sorry, what's a Vitnamist? Do you mean VIETNAMESE? Not being critical, I actually first thought you meant some kind of Khmer that I had never heard of. Now that I look at it again today, I think you must have meant "Khmer, Vietnamese and Chinese."Sorry for my mistakes.

Yes I meant: Khmer Vietnamese and Chinese

Phil Istine
08-03-09, 16:31
Poor northern axe you dont know?

Mikado same as before,you dont know?

Perhaps you work for an NGO?

Dinghy
08-03-09, 19:38
besides, axe - you haven't BEEN there? Ever hear of the telephone book???

Northern Axe
08-04-09, 04:05
Poor northern axe you dont know?

Mikado same as before,you dont know?

Perhaps you work for an NGO?
besides, axe - you haven't BEEN there? Ever hear of the telephone book???The PNH telephone book isn't so easy to find here in BKK.

And no, i haven't been there since it re-opened.

Do we have a new forum rule that i have missed, about not asking questions?

I have been to PNH only four times before. So i don't know everything about the place as you grumpy old men do. After 20-40 year when i am your age i probably know a thing or two as well.

Arriving next week for my fifth visit so i get to check it out for myself.

Peace.

Phil Istine
08-04-09, 15:11
Yeah OK I am grumpy sometimes and I'm sorry.

But I am aware that NGO type people read these sites.

Just got back from saigon or HCM as the khmers call it.

Women OK but my khmer GF the most beautiful, she is too fat for me now but she certainly gets the looks from the viets and the barang.

Khmers are very beautiful, no doubt about it.

Saw a few working girls around pham noo lou, some on motos some on foot, A couple of cuties.

Went to the all blacks yarpies game with a young kiwi chap, he kept reminding me of how beautiful my GF was. Then he showed me a pic of his indonesian/greek GF who he met in abhu dahbie who was a from a rich family and didn't have to work. Wow lovely.

Wendella
08-06-09, 05:30
But I am aware that NGO type people read these sites.


Yeah that did seem a bit quick on the draw -- wasn't understanding why anyone was presuming this pretty standard question was from an NGO.

Oh well, no biggie.

Sea Mad
08-06-09, 07:04
This is my first post but I'm not a completely newbie in PP nightlife as I lived there for around three years. Times where different and there was not a girlie bar scene. VN girls where present everywhere and a lot less hardcore than most of the ones you can meet now, some of them relics from K11 time (an example? Bong).

Now on a visa run I've one night only to explore e little bit the new scene.

Thought to stay at one of following guest-houses: DV8, Rose, Candy or Nay Nay.

Which do you recommend considering these parameters (in importance order): cleanliness, look and attitude of the girls downstairs and price? Once I read somewhere that DV8 had VN girls whom I prefer as they deliver something difficult to get from Khmer ones.

Not so much time, so what are the musts and the don't?

Sharka
08-08-09, 01:03
I'm sorry but I think you never been in toul kok. I do agree with you for street 63 and 154. 4 years ago these place was a paradise but it s a scam place

But for toul kok I totaly disagree with you, first toul kok have mostly khmer brothels. In all the khmer brothels in toul kok girls are free, no mamasan or papasan. And in 7 years no girls try to stoled my valuable or doing bad things. The girls here work only for feeding their family. Most of the girls are really kind. But since2/3 years the quality fall dramaticly

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Help needed.
Can someone provide me with details where Toul Kok is located?--PM me if you must in case you think NGO are tapping in.
I was in PP last year and went searching for this place and even told a mototaxi to take me but he took me to I think it was Boeung Kak Lake area -just west of Wat Phnom /old stadium and didn't see any brothels at all. No joke, I could almost sense places were near but either they were closed during the day (about 2-3pm) or I was dumped at the wrong st. Walked around for a little while after the moto left and saw nothing but local life. No one hanging out to urge me in side any houses and everyone could tell I was there for only one reason.
I also search my tourist maps and didn't find area called Toul K. either.

Can someone provide me with what street this place is located along with some cross streets for reference, so I'll have a better chance of directing the mototaxi next time I'm there in about a months time.
And in addition to the street/cross street location, also clue me in as to best way to direct mototaxi to get me there, or at least somewhere close so I could get rid of him and his moto commission.
Need to avoid the disappointment of last year.

Thanks

Shark

Wendella
08-08-09, 04:27
Help needed.
Can someone provide me with details where Toul Kok is located?

It's been years since I was there, so no idea what state it's in now. I didn't take part there. But if you head up to the French embassy, which is on the northeast corner of that same lake, take the road left there (west) and keep heading out, you'll run into that area and it will all be very obvious. Unless things have changed dramatically since I was there, at least. There's one alley street on the north side of that street where there's lots of buildings that serve as brothels. When I was there, it was mostly shacks all on the main road. None of it looked very enticing, I must warn you.

The road I talk about, after the French embassy, is the one main road running straight along the north side of the lake. Sorry I forget the name of the road.

Roguesta
08-08-09, 06:35
Tuol Kork is a rather large neighborhood directly west of Boeung Kak.

Wendella
08-08-09, 09:01
Tuol Kork is a rather large neighborhood directly west of Boeung Kak.

West? Maybe the maps they give out in PP aren't correctly oriented toward North -- but if you look at the map (Canby) and find the lake, it's up on top of the lake. I don't know for sure that's north. The area with the girls is on that road that runs along the top of the lake, as seen on the map.

Ok. looking at map now. Street 70. There's no way the area we're talking about with the girls is WEST of the lake.

Iching
08-08-09, 14:45
Tuol Kork is a rather large neighborhood directly west of Boeung Kak.Toul kork is just a place where you get a BJ. $5 when i went, i dont know how much it is now.

Matt Navan Man
08-08-09, 17:23
West? Maybe the maps they give out in PP aren't correctly oriented toward North --

Correct. The handout maps place the River in what looks like East to West at the bottom. In fact the river runs North South. Following this through, Roguesta's ascertion that Street 70 is west of the lake is correct. That said who actually has a map of Phnom Penh which doesn't make it look as if it's "west".

Roguesta
08-09-09, 03:36
I live in Phnom Penh. I'm not sure where the girls are in Tuol Kork, I only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. This covers the entire western side of Boeung Kak. Like I said, I'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.

Wendella
08-09-09, 05:27
I live in Phnom Penh. I'm not sure where the girls are in Tuol Kork, I only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. This covers the entire western side of Boeung Kak. Like I said, I'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.

Get yourself dropped off at the French embassy. Walk around the corner onto Street 70 and keep walking straight along there for a couple hundred meters or so -- if they are still there, they'll be really obvious as you pass them. The wide alley street I refer to will be on your right side. It goes downhill a bit from the main road, which is built higher than everything around it.

If you look at this Canby Publications map, I think it's the most common one, basically same as any tourist map I've seen there, you can see street 70 there running along the top side of the lake.
http://www.canbypublications.com/maps/ppmaphhr.htm

It's a LONG time since I was there. Not sure what state it's in at this point. And actually it may be further along St 70 where it changes to St 273. But following my directions, if it's still there, you should find it. Brace yourself. This place was ROUGH.

Wendella
08-09-09, 05:31
Correct. The handout maps place the River in what looks like East to West at the bottom. In fact the river runs North South. Following this through, Roguesta's ascertion that Street 70 is west of the lake is correct. That said who actually has a map of Phnom Penh which doesn't make it look as if it's "west".

The map you're talking about is a different map than what I was referring to -- I saw one like that, which was called a "3-d map". The orientation for that one is very different. I suppose on THAT map St 70 would appear to be located EAST of the lake. ;)

This must be really confusing for someone reading here who isn't familiar with the layout of PP.

Shadow6491
08-09-09, 06:55
i live in phnom penh. i'm not sure where the girls are in tuol kork, i only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. this covers the entire western side of boeung kak. like i said, i'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.


i dont mean to be mean but you must be blind, or not very experienced at picking out local brothels.

there are quite a few along the riverside road in the tk district you then turn left just under the japanese bridge go through the roundabout and once past rcaf stadium there are a few more rep001tered along the road. just near the railway lines there are a few obvious ones.

ok you ask what should i be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.

Channy
08-09-09, 10:48
i dont mean to be mean but you must be blind, or not very experienced at picking out local brothels.

there are quite a few along the riverside road in the tk district you then turn left just under the japanese bridge go through the roundabout and once past rcaf stadium there are a few more rep001tered along the road. just near the railway lines there are a few obvious ones.

ok you ask what should i be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.fully correct, but tuol kok is more quiet now, many brothels don't opened their doors before 4/5 pm, i don t said there is nothing sooner, but it's more discreet, looking for girls sitting in plastic chairs is a good advice, like shadow6491 said, you will need mainly to open your eyes to see the tuol kok biz now.

i just want to warned people who are in need of exotism and want to ventured in tuol kok, tuol kok is a long time brothels also called"rue des petites fleurs" and was mainly for local, barang prefered svay pak, that offered more confort and large amount of viet girls, tuol kok was always cheaper than svay pak (until 2006, it was easy for a barang to bonk for as low as 2 dollars with a cute khmer)

1) girls quality is very low, gems are extremely rare now.

2)it s wodden shack brothels, no hygien at all, bathroom are primitive (bowl of water), also non air con. so don t expect a farangland like beach road or thai style.

3)try to avoid tuol kok at night if you re beginner, keep it mind that brothels tend to closed around 11pm (khmer guys bonked sooner than us)it s less dangerous than before but things can turned bad very quickly.

4)avoid motodop, excepted if you want to paid 10/20 dollars your st

5) be really carefull with the car traffic, it's like an highway there.

otherwise: boom boom, massage 5 dollars, tuol kok is mostly khmer, few viet available (but available mainly near the right curve), so don't go there if you like only viet, you will be disapointed.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Sharka
08-09-09, 18:09
Help needed.
I could almost sense places were near but either they were closed during the day (about 2-3pm) or I was dumped at the wrong st. Walked around for a little while after the moto left and saw nothing but local life. No one hanging out to urge me in side any houses and everyone could tell I was there for only one reason.
I also search my tourist maps and didn't find area called Toul K. either.



Shark


Thanks for the feedback guys.
I think I now realize my mistake, Perhaps I was dropped off at the right location but didn't realize it at 1st as I was VERY suspicious when motodope drove off immediately without hanging around to see if I went into any brothels so he could collect commission. As I said, saw the local life and yes by local= I means very rough or rundown area. When he drove off quickly and left me standing in a shanty street alone, I felt I was being set up for something, so I was on alert and didn't feel like looking into any doorways.

I was so use to the St 63 scene with pimps and touts yelling at me "hey, handsome man, want ladies"--ok, I'm not a handsome man but feels good anyway as it inflate my ego abit-ha ha. So when I was in TK area and no one urged me in I automatically assume they were not brothels as I also didn't bother to look into some of the houses(which couldv'e been brothel but didn't realize it). I just kept walking until I got to a main st and was tired and still saw no pimps hanging outside any houses so I flagged down moto and left.

Shark

Sharka
08-09-09, 18:39
.

there are quite a few along the riverside road in the tk district you then turn left just under the japanese bridge go through the roundabout and once past rcaf stadium there are a few more rep001tered along the road. just near the railway lines there are a few obvious ones.

ok you ask what should i be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.


hi shadow,
didn't realize the the riverside street was also consider tk district. i often thought it was abit pass the b.k lake that was consider tk territory,but nice to know.
so according to your post, by riverside rd you mean= sisowath quay right? i kinda remember sitting on a mototaxi from st 136 and going up siso.quay toward the jap bridge and only remember the street were mainly commerical/ manufacture/ maintenance shop area. so about where along the river will i start seeing these houses.(between which streets)
also, can you advise me within a small area of tk as i don't really want to walk around too much, where are the greatest concentration of houses with gals if i needed to make a quickey daily visit for "relief" when i'm there.
like i said before, if afraid ngo tuning in, pm me if you want.

thanks again
shark

Sharka
08-09-09, 18:43
Toul kork is just a place where you get a BJ. $5 when i went, i dont know how much it is now.


Can someone confirm this?
I thought TK was a FS area for $5 and not just BJ only. And I think someone did mention it was still $5?-even less if you were a native.

Phantomtiger2
08-09-09, 19:04
Help needed.
Need to avoid the disappointment of last year.

Thanks

Shark


Sorry to hear about your disappointment as you never mention that to me. So, have to add not finding TK along with having your money "magically disappearing" from St 63 to your list eh.
Just teasing you mate.
Yeah, I met Sharka once and had a few beers with him. Very Nice guy. honest and all -perhaps too honest to be a true monger like the rest of us, like I told him last time he should be glad he didn't do this for a living-ha ha.
He was a victim of St 63 "magic" disappearing pant/wallet act. Although we can't truly blame him since he was never informed of the scam and was not a member of ISG at the time. He's still learning the game so go easy on him.

Yes, Wendella and Shadow are correct. TK houses are near the French Embassy, Hmm-which is why there is almost nobody in the embassy during the day. I haven't been to that area in a while so can't comment if all the houses are alive and well or if area have been downsizing like the rest of the PP brothel scene--thanks to NGO.

Haven't been there in over 2 years- so my info could be outdated but it was FS at that time and not just BJ only and yes, price should be $5 only for either FS or BJ or both.

Best to visit this place ONLY during the day, try not to go after sunset when the vampires and demons come out. It is not a safe neighborhood. OK by day but not at nite.---IMO

PT

Sharka
08-09-09, 20:49
Speaking of getting to TK.

If I started at St 136 hostess bar area and used mototaxi to TK area by the French embassy, never had a problem just giving them 2000r during the day before but this was last year. Can I still get there with 2000r or have the fare gone up in PP. Do they all demand $1 (4000r) now?

Shark

Phantomtiger2
08-09-09, 21:08
OK you ask what should I be looking for? look into houses or shop fronts if you see two or three gils sitting on plastic chairs just inside the doorway that is a good sign.


Good advise, but better to be careful though.
I once did just that, looked into a open house door and saw 3 cuties sitting on plastic chairs looking bored. I went over to the man inside and took out $5 and pointed to one of the ladies sitting. He started shouting at me in Cambo (didn't understand him fully but did hear what I thought to be "daughter) he picked up a broom and chased me out. I didn't stay to see what he wanted to with the broom--ha ha

PT

Phantomtiger2
08-09-09, 21:17
I live in Phnom Penh. I'm not sure where the girls are in Tuol Kork, I only know where the neighborhood is, which is from streets 273 and 592. This covers the entire western side of Boeung Kak. Like I said, I'm not sure where the girls are, and they may very well be located north of the lake.


I think you are in the wrong side of TK. I don't live in PP so don't really know what are the boundaries of the TK area. From what you posted, 272-592 st',
this area is way off in the west. I once quickly rode thru here as it didnt seem like a safe place so didnt linger too long to investigate area. Didnt see much there of interest. I think the houses of interest are further east and not the western side of the lake. Again, I could be wrong as I have not truly spent time wandering around the TK areas west of Boeung kak.


PT

Phantomtiger2
08-09-09, 21:33
There's one alley street on the north side of that street where there's lots of buildings that serve as brothels.



When I was there, it was mostly shacks all on the main road. None of it looked very enticing, I must warn you.

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Hey Wendella,
I must have drove quickly past that alley street and didn't even see it. About how far was this alley from the French embassy?

What Wendella describe about shacks with tin roofs etc is correct. Real run down places where you expect the roof to cave in while you're inside. But for veterans of Snooky chickenfarms or KK farms it's very similar scene . Definitely no frills and no hygiene, not for everyone but I always enjoy the challenge and the atmosphere (or lack of it).


PT

Wendella
08-10-09, 06:33
Hey Wendella,
I must have drove quickly past that alley street and didn't even see it. About how far was this alley from the French embassy?

What Wendella describe about shacks with tin roofs etc is correct. Real run down places where you expect the roof to cave in while you're inside. But for veterans of Snooky chickenfarms or KK farms it's very similar scene . Definitely no frills and no hygiene, not for everyone but I always enjoy the challenge and the atmosphere (or lack of it).

Wow, you went inside. A braver man than I.

As for the side street, hard to remember -- it seemed to be somewhere in the middle of the stretch. Cement houses down there, on both sides of the lane, not shacks. Shacks line the main road. You're probably better off PM'ing some of the guys who are physically in PP now, who will know current status better, and know specifics that I'm sorry I'm just vague on -- it was about 3-4 yrs ago I last looked there, and I remember thinking 'OK, no need to ever come back here again'. The silence here makes me wonder if the boys here in PP aren't keen on talking about it publicly.

Shadow6491
08-10-09, 14:50
The alley way that you are reffering to I think is the other end of the Back Packer area road. ie if you went right rather than left at the mosqe. This continues out onto the road which is the TK main road 70,273 (changes name at the railway line).

Hi Shadow,
Didn't realize the the riverside street was also consider TK district. I often thought it was abit pass the B.K lake that was consider TK territory,but nice to know.
So according to your post, by riverside rd you mean= Sisowath Quay right? I kinda remember sitting on a mototaxi from St 136 and going up Siso.Quay toward the Jap bridge and only remember the street were mainly commerical/ manufacture/ maintenance shop area. So about where along the river will I start seeing these houses.(between which streets)
Also, can you advise me within a small area of TK as I don't really want to walk around too much, where are the greatest concentration of houses with gals if I needed to make a quickey daily visit for "relief" when I'm there.

You are correct the riverside road is Sisowath Quay and its not really TK but only one block from it so what the hell. And yes it is as you describe commercial/manufacture/ manufacture shop area. If you travel from Wat Phnom area towards the Jap bridge you will see them. there is about one every block in this area about 5 blocks.

There is not a great concentration of houses in TK again they are spread out along both sides of the road mainly the right hand side heading towards the radio tower. Good luck

PS they are open from about 10am until about 10pm but dont go at night on your own or on a small bike if you have one, you may loose it.

Phantomtiger2
08-11-09, 01:56
Wow, you went inside. A braver man than I.

. The silence here makes me wonder if the boys here in PP aren't keen on talking about it publicly.


Oh did I forget to mention to stray yourself with DEET before entering the shacks as I had fond memories of big ass mosquitos in some of them. And its a pain in the ass--I mean itch in the ass when you are unprepared.

I think you could be right about why some locals maybe silent on TK . As Sharka may have suggested, NGO could be lurking even on our blessed ISG site.
Remember thats what happened to K11.


PT

Phantomtiger2
08-11-09, 02:06
Speaking of getting to TK.

If I started at St 136 hostess bar area and used mototaxi to TK area by the French embassy, never had a problem just giving them 2000r during the day before but this was last year. Can I still get there with 2000r or have the fare gone up in PP. Do they all demand $1 (4000r) now?

Shark


Hmm, not sure about this one as the last time I was in PP I had rented a motobike to bum around in . Perhaps someone currently living there for awhile (as they have the most experience with actual local prices and not tourist rip-off prices) can answer this one.

PT

Phantomtiger2
08-11-09, 02:08
otherwise: boom boom, massage 5 dollars, tuol kok is mostly khmer, few viet available (but available mainly near the right curve

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

btw, thanks for the update channy,

but :what/ where is the right curve?

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4)avoid motodop, excepted if you want to paid 10/20 dollars your st

this maybe a bit harder to do without your own motobike rental as the houses are widely rep001tered and may not be walkable distances from one end to the other end as this is a fairly busy "highway/rd" also.



pt

Sovanmee
08-11-09, 03:23
Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.

Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.

Cheers

Betong
08-11-09, 04:48
You are correct the riverside road is Sisowath Quay and its not really TK but only one block from it so what the hell.Just to be clear, Toul Kork district runs only as far east as Boeung Kak (the big lake . . . er, former lake). So the 'one block' you're talking about is more like a kilometer or so. The E-W street is St. 273.

Wendella
08-11-09, 05:11
Just to be clear, Toul Kork district runs only as far east as Boeung Kak (the big lake . . . er, former lake). So the 'one block' you're talking about is more like a kilometer or so. The E-W street is St. 273.

I honestly can't remember if that side lane is off of St 70 or St 273. It's near where they meet. If you look at the map you can see that St 70 turns into St 273. If the official border of the neighborhood of Tuol Kok ends before street 70, but the places they're after (the brothels) are commonly known as "Tuol Kok" and they happen to be on St. 70 and therefore actually outside the neighborhood of that name, well, these guys aren't interested in ending up in the neighborhood officially known as Tuok Kok if it isn't where the girls are. All this confusion seems to be that the NEIGHBORHOOD is mainly west of the lake, the majority of it, but this place with the girls known by that same name isn't west, but north of it. Remember, the original request was to find the girls. It's not helpful to keep directing people to head toward the neighborhood if that's not where the girls are.

"Former lake"? No more water now?

Betong
08-11-09, 10:38
Remember, the original request was to find the girls. It's not helpful to keep directing people to head toward the neighborhood if that's not where the girls are.Fair enough. It's just that 'Toul Kok' seems to have become the catch-all term for any brothel area in the north or west of PP. Often, for example, it's used to refer to the brothels around Stung Meanchey Bridge (which are apparently back in operation), way down on the far SW side of town. So when somebody ask 'Is Sisowath Quay in Toul Kok', the answer is, no, not even close, though yes, there are some brothels up off the northern stretch of it. I would call that area Russey Keo, but then I'm not a brothel guy so I don't know if anyone else does.


"Former lake"? No more water now?Not much. They're draining it to put up some big office buildings. We should have known it was too nice to last.

Wendella
08-11-09, 15:55
Not much. They're draining it to put up some big office buildings. We should have known it was too nice to last.

Nice? I wouldn't go that far.

Guess when it's done they'll need a new name for the new neighborhood there. Something like... Tuol Kok. ;)

Anybody who says some place down in the SW is Tuol Kok is just hopelessly confused. That area w girls in shacks etc on St 70/St 273 was referred to a lot as Tuol Kok/Kork since I started looking at this site (and others) way back in about 2000. Maybe those guys way back then were wrong and the name just stuck. Doesn't matter much either way.

Betong
08-12-09, 14:37
Nice? I wouldn't go that far.Well it was a big open space in the middle of an increasingly crowded city. And there were worse ways to spend an afternoon than out on a deck overlooking the lotuses, smoking a homemade cigarette. I'll miss it.

As long as I'm whingeing, the latest idiocy is the ban on seating in front of the bars and restaurants along Sisowath. So of course now the sidewalks are just filled with double- and triple-parked RCAF SUVs. Remember when the riverfront was actually pleasant?

It's things like these, along with the decline in simple slam-bam-thank-you-ma'am venues, that for me make PP rather less appealing than it was ten or even five years ago. But I still love the bars and the restaurants and whole expat scene, which I still find to be the friendliest in SE Asia. And there are some superb women available for anyone willing to put in a bit of time and money. So I guess I can still put up with the irritations.

Iching
08-12-09, 15:45
Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.

Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.

CheersWhat happens here is a tourist gets his money stolen, he complains to the police, so the police then go and shut the place down for a week. Then after the street opens the whole thing starts again.

Wendella
08-13-09, 05:25
Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.

Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.

Cheers

Good riddance. Foul places, hope they remain closed forever.

Wendella
08-13-09, 05:34
smoking a homemade cigarette. I'll miss it.It all begins to make sense. ;)


Remember when the riverfront was actually pleasant?Let me guess. Same as above? ;) OK just teasing. Sure, that sounds nasty, the riverfront being turned into an SUV parking lot. Businesses must be thrilled. Care to venture any explanation for this one? I'd expect it to be a completely screwy one, of course, knowing how things work in that country, but still would be curious to hear what the real story is.

Sharka
08-13-09, 23:19
Police has arrested 25 Vietnamess girls,more than 15 local men and 2mamasans from 63st since two days ago.

Guess what,the places where you guys worry about stolen your valid is gone, now.

Cheers

Well, if the above numbers are correct, then the raid only took out perhaps 1 street full of brothels (1 block) as St 63 houses extend much further down (I'd day at least 5-6 blocks from what I remember) so only closed a small portion of this section.

Shark

Wendella
08-14-09, 07:46
Well, if the above numbers are correct, then the raid only took out perhaps 1 street full of brothels (1 block) as St 63 houses extend much further down (I'd day at least 5-6 blocks from what I remember) so only closed a small portion of this section.

Drats. Maybe next time.

Broko
08-14-09, 07:54
In 1 month the police raided 3 bars and closed them.

1. Blue Lagoon, str 108. Closed coz of nudity dancing. Khmer owned.

2. Irish Bar, str 136, Closed coz of the owner pressed the girls to go away with customers. Korean owned.

3. Cheerleaders, side street of str 136, opposite Irish. Closed Wednesday. Reason unknow. Western owned.

Maybe the police is getting short of money.

Jallabar 1207
08-15-09, 13:13
Ever thought of just turning up?, i did, i never even thought to consult the internet before i went. It's funny really, i see everywhere newbies asking for info and it's as if they want to start to live there holiday before they get there. Why don't you turn up and ask people you meet for advice, there's a whole world out there. Although i'd do Tailand before Cambodia to get maximum culture shock benifit.Well no, not really. I would like to have things organized and know where I am at. The reason why I asked for places with reliable broadband connection is that my income comes from an online business that I need to maintain.

I was hoping some of you locals could briefly comment on:

1) How fast the connection is? (4mb,8mb?)

2) Reliability?(any powercuts?)

3) How are the procedures of renting condos/apartments in PP?(scamfree?)

Thanks again

matt

Channy
08-16-09, 10:34
Good riddance. Foul places, hope they remain closed forever.63 st brothels closed forever? Don t dream, this place has always faced little or major crackdown in the last 15 years, but she s still alive. It s just a money question before the houses came back in action.

Brothels in 63 st have always guest thieves, don t have short memory, ever 5/10 years ago just hanfull places was recommanded for barang.

Fast Eddie 48
08-16-09, 23:33
63 st brothels closed forever? Don t dream, this place has always faced little or major crackdown in the last 15 years, but she s still alive. It s just a money question before the houses came back in action.

Brothels in 63 st have always guest thieves, don t have short memory, ever 5/10 years ago just hanfull places was recommanded for barang.Channy,

Never say forever as long as newbie are bring here by moto driver on comisson and there are money to be make they will be in business but not in the open.

Fast eddie 48

Member #4167
08-17-09, 01:04
I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.

I thought Cambodia was a poorer country. Why would girls come from a rich country to become providers in a poorer country?

Because I am on a budget for a 18-22 quality girl are the prices cheaper in vietnam or in Cambodia?

Mature Man
08-17-09, 07:17
Planning on a visit coming weekend. Wondering if Walkbout is still functioning in view of the raids mentioned.
Any info and suggestions welcome.

Fast Eddie 48
08-17-09, 08:02
I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.

I thought Cambodia was a poorer country. Why would girls come from a rich country to become providers in a poorer country?

Because I am on a budget for a 18-22 quality girl are the prices cheaper in vietnam or in Cambodia? Water boy

I don't think Cambodia is not much poorer country than Vietnam, both are third world country after the war, I think there are also more girl avalible in vietnam and less crack down in cambo but that is changing goverment is starting to crack down as this country is growing not a wild west country like 10 yr ago.

Fast Eddie 48

Amjeck
08-17-09, 12:16
I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.


i thought viet girls were in short supply. Can anyone shed some news?

Iching
08-17-09, 12:59
I am researching a trip to Cambodia and after reading through much of this forum I see that there are alot of Viet providers in cambo.

I thought Cambodia was a poorer country. Why would girls come from a rich country to become providers in a poorer country?

Because I am on a budget for a 18-22 quality girl are the prices cheaper in vietnam or in Cambodia?Its easy for Viet girls to do Business in Cambo and the police have stricter laws concerning the hobby in vietnam.

Iching
08-17-09, 13:02
i thought viet girls were in short supply. Can anyone shed some news?The rumour i heard is that the Cambodian government have restricted the amount of vietnamse woman they let into the country after K11.

It would be interesting if any mongers know the story here.

Opebo
08-17-09, 18:38
I was last in Cambodia well over a year ago, but even at that time the availability of Vietnamese girls was far less than back in the good old days like 2000-2003. Recently one sees many venues staffed mostly or entirely with Cambodia girls, who just don't do much for me.

Henio
08-17-09, 20:34
...I don't think Cambodia is not much poorer country than Vietnam... GDP per capita is 55% higher in Vietnam than Cambodia

Betong
08-17-09, 20:58
The rumour i heard is that the Cambodian government have restricted the amount of vietnamse woman they let into the country after K11.Pretty unlikely. These days it mainly seems like pure economics: they can do as well or better in Vietnam.

Keep in mind that a lot of the Vietnamese girls we used to play with in Cambodia had been there for most of their lives, coming with their parents back when VN was basically running the country in the '80s. They're getting out of the trade and they're not being replaced.

Thai Ydiver
08-18-09, 06:21
Planning on a visit coming weekend. Wondering if Walkbout is still functioning in view of the raids mentioned.

Any info and suggestions welcome.Still going as usual, IMO girls are nothing to write home about though.

In fact PP is becoming more like Thailand in attitude by the girls, like LT is disappearing at 4:00am, phone calls during the night, poor performances despite yum yum boom boom and 10:00am departure and 3 shots agreed etc. This is unlike a few years back where these things hardly ever happened. Can't even be bothered to take anymore girls out, cheap yes, and it seems you get what you pay for. Plus the so-called hostie bars is another one to watch out for as at many you cannot take the girl out.

I believe after coming here for 18 years that the quality of the girls is not what it used to be. It also is very quite around the mongers areas, Martinis was dead on the 2 nights I went there, girls were very average 4-6 in my book and not so healthy looking.

Shinoukville pretty much the same, on the Victory Hill bar area there were maybe 10 punters for about 100 pretty average looking girls, ie plumply young mother's etc. Better to go to the beach and get high on space pizza's and girls $5 ST, that way6 you're think that they all were good looking!!!.

Anyway back to Bangkok and to get Tagged!

Betong
08-18-09, 12:39
I believe after coming here for 18 years that the quality of the girls is not what it used to be.But it's still better than it was 18 years ago! In my experience the quality peaked around the late 1990s, in the year or two after the coup. It was still OK five years ago, but seems to have gone downhill pretty quickly since then. However it's a better place to find a girlfriend (or two) than it used to be, so all is not lost!

Iching
08-18-09, 13:39
But it's still better than it was 18 years ago! In my experience the quality peaked around the late 1990s, in the year or two after the coup. It was still OK five years ago, but seems to have gone downhill pretty quickly since then. However it's a better place to find a girlfriend (or two) than it used to be, so all is not lost!I still like Cambodia there`s lots more bars that have opened in PP and still a lot cheaper than Thailand. I LOVE PHNOM PENH.