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PM me and tell me about yourself and will advise you.
Gentlemen,
I am going to Shanghai on a business trip on June 28. This will be my first time in China, so I don't know much about the mongering scene there. What are some of the popular places I should visit during my stay there? Maybe we can go mongering together.
I am also interested in escorts. If you know any girls or a reliable escort service, please do let me know.
PM me and tell me about yourself and will advise you.I'm new in this site and have the same questions.
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This is some serious geekdom on the handling of prostitution in China from the perspective of law enforcement and public health. It's an interesting read if you're into that sort of thing:
http://asiacatalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/The-Condom-Quandary-Report_en.pdf
Lining up a couple of new girls to bang this week so should be back with a usable report shortly for those of you who are more interested in participating than reading.
This is some serious geekdom on the handling of prostitution in China from the perspective of law enforcement and public health. It's an interesting read if you're into that sort of thing:
http://asiacatalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/The-Condom-Quandary-Report_en.pdf
Lining up a couple of new girls to bang this week so should be back with a usable report shortly for those of you who are more interested in participating than reading.This report was quite interesting. Many good points were explained very well. The net result is that the Chinese government promotes condom use but if found in a venue that may be a sex related operation then the condom is used for evidence.
The net result is that sex work will not stop and has been around for thousands of years, but will hinder the use of condoms to prevent STD's of many kinds. So the Chinese government is indirectly promoting increased transmission of all types of STD's, including HIV!
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/red-lights-all-way
Xiao Hua thinks sex work has given her a decent life. She's been in the profession for close to 20 years, and though she took a break for a few years after giving birth to her son in 2011, she chose to return to the industry.
"Honestly, I live very well," says Xiao Hua, whose name along with the other sex workers in this story have been changed because their work is illegal. As well as giving her a comfortable income, sex work has also introduced her to her last few boyfriends, each much younger than her 42 years. "All the men I've been with look after me, wash my clothes, clean up the house," she says. "They're good to me. "*.
While we talk in a Beijing congee restaurant, her 27-year-old ex-boyfriend calls her for a video chat. "Isn't he handsome?" her friend and co-worker Fei Fei, 30, coos. Xiao Hua says he was a friend who became a client, and then her boyfriend, and the pair remain close though she has a new man now. They split up because of the age difference: Xiao Hua wanted him to find a younger woman so he could have a child. "Love isn't possession," she says.
Xiao Hua and Fei Fei used to work together out of a foot reflexology shop, where they say the clients were very direct and quick to service. It can take more time to make money at the karaoke lounge where they work now, but Xiao Hua says it's more enjoyable. "You're singing, you're dancing, it's a good feeling," she says. "There's a jovial atmosphere and the guests are more generous. "*.
Estimates say up to 20 million people could work in China's extensive though illegal sex industry. Their experiences and incomes vary widely, from mistresses in steady compensated relationships to low-income street-based workers. While male sex workers mainly work in clubs, hotels, saunas, and rented apartments, according to independent advocacy organization Asia Catalyst, women typically work in massage parlors, karaoke clubs, or on the streets especially if they're transgender where they encounter more attention from law enforcement than those who work within establishments. **.
Even in karaoke lounges, Xiao Hua says it's getting harder to make good money. A few years ago, she was making 8,000 (around $1,200) or even 10,000 yuan each week now it's 2,000 or 3,000 yuan. The economic downturn means consumers are cutting leisure expenses, so business isn't what it used to be. It's also getting tougher because Xiao Hua is also getting older, law enforcement is stricter, and clients are growing more demanding.
"It used to be that clients were just looking for a woman's touch," Xiao Hua recalls. "Now they want oral, they want anal. And you've got the young girls coming out, born in the '90's, who'll do all of it. " But because she now has additional income from a sex worker community-based organization, she's able to turn down jobs that don't suit her, such as clients asking for sex without a condom.
Condoms are a bone of contention between sex workers, law enforcement, and health authorities. While government ministries distribute condoms to sex workers through community-based organizations like the one Xiao Hua works for as part of their STI reduction campaigns, many workers conceal or discard condoms, fearing attention from police who treat them as evidence of prostitution, or use them to pressure workers and clients into confessions. The media, too, frequently uses images of mountains of condoms when covering police crackdowns on sex work, which have become more regular since President Xi Jinping launched his campaign against corruption, graft, and vice in 2012.
Soliciting or purchasing sexual services is illegal in China, but falls under administrative law. (Procurement, on the other hand, is a criminal offense that carries a sentence of 5 to 10 years in prison.) Workers and clients can be detained for up to 15 days or pay a 5,000-yuan fine, with no court proceedings required. Enforcement is famously inconsistent. The perception from sex workers and much of the public is that the offense exists more to provide an income stream for police, who can extort sex workers for fines and bribes, rather than to prohibit the practice. *.
Guo Xiaofei, a law professor at China University of Political Science and Law who specializes in sexuality and law, tells Sixth Tone: "Often when you look at the reactions to anti-vice campaigns online, netizens are more opposed to the vice squad than the sex workers. ".
Experts say law enforcement typically affects female, male, and transgender sex workers in different ways, though Guo says that there is no gender distinction in the law itself. Extrajudicial custody in "shelter and education" centers primarily targets non-transgender women, but experts say this practice is in decline. For transgender women in the trade, police are as likely to harass them for their gender expression as for their profession. They can also face bullying and abuse from other sex workers.
Yet for many transgender women, there are few other choices. Widespread social discrimination and a dearth of legitimate job prospects forces them into the underground economy of sex work, selling drugs, or other businesses that operate in a legal gray area. If they end up with any criminal convictions, a criminal record may make them even more unemployable and even more marginalized.
While there are no reliable figures on the number of transgender sex workers in China, experts say a disproportionately high number of China's estimated 4 million transgender people are likely to be involved in sex work. In Pakistan, trans women make up a quarter to a fifth of all sex workers, and in Malaysia and India, 50 to 80 percent of trans women engage in sex work, according to a 2012 report from the Asia Pacific Transgender Network and UNDP.
Lotus, a 32-year-old transgender woman originally from Shandong and now living in Shanghai, had a long series of odd jobs before she started sex work, from a driver in a warehouse to an assembly line worker in a denture factory. "Just because my clothes didn't fit the guidelines or my hair was too long or whatever, I'the lose my job," she recalls. Earlier this year, a trans man in Guizhou sued his former employer for discrimination, saying he had been dismissed for his attire and appearance. *.
But Lotus didn't find the acceptance that she expected among sex workers either. "I thought, for someone like me, maybe these money boys (male sex workers) would accept and include me," she tells Sixth Tone. Instead, she was mocked, insulted and ignored. The non-trans women were no kinder, calling her "brother" while they referred to each other as "sisters. " Bad blood runs in many directions, with Lotus herself venting her frustrations at cross-dressers: "They're not trans but they muddy the name of transsexuals. ".
Though Lotus was the only trans woman among the group she first worked with, some of the male sex workers would work as girls, putting on makeup and women's clothing when there was too much competition for customers. "They really enjoy picking up straight men," she says. "And those migrant workers can't even tell the difference. " She says street workers are careful to keep every job short a couple of minutes at most so they won't get caught by police. Quick service also means clients are less likely to pick up on whether a woman is transgender, non-transgender, or a cross-dressing man.
In the 10 years that she's been working on the streets, Lotus has been cursed, beaten, and detained twice by police first for 10 days in a male facility, and more recently for 15 days in solitary for selling marijuana. Her interactions with law enforcement have been consistently negative, and she looks at police with bitter revulsion.
Xiao Hua, on the other hand, has had varied experiences with law enforcement, and good relationships with some of the force in Beijing who'll tip her off when a raid is coming. She and her coworker Fei Fei say that for the most part, it's the new girls who get detained, and clients who aren't local never experienced women or Beijingers, who have status and power. *.
"You know what it's like in China," Xiao Hua says. "You can do it, you just can't speak about it, at least not openly. "*In her view, for non-transgender women at least, law enforcement doesn't really see sex work as a scourge on society. She believes that police understand as well as the public that the world's oldest profession is just part of life and part of what holds many marriages together.
"Who doesn't get bored of their wife after a while and want something different?" Xiao Hua asks. "If you eat noodles every day, you'll want some dumplings. At least we know how to make money for our family, for our kids. ".
Lan Lan, from sex worker support group Tianjin Xinai, agrees that sex workers offer an essential social service. "People should recognize the value that sex workers bring to society, in stabilizing sexuality and desire (for the increasing number of unmarried men)," she says, pointing to the notorious issue of China's sex ratio imbalance, which is frequently discussed in domestic media as a source of social conflict and even a trigger for violence.
But while in some ways sex work may be quietly tolerated, sex workers and academics alike believe it's unlikely to be decriminalized in the near future. Law professor Guo Xiaofei says that though there are many famous and positive representations of sex workers in Chinese literary tradition, legalization of sex work is impossible under the Communist Party. The issue also receives little attention or funding from foreign governments, who criminalize sex work in similar ways.
"We need to establish an international consensus that recognizes sex work as work before we talk about China's law enforcement," he says. *Guo says that a lot more foreign funding is available to support LGBT rights, another area he works in, than sex work because the latter is not yet a mainstream human rights issue. But in the same way that health promotion and HIV education have helped to carve out government-sanctioned space for LGBT organizations across the Asia-Pacific region, sex worker rights organizations may find that their cooperation with government ministries on health issues gives them more legitimacy and political capital.
For Lotus, reducing the stigma against sex work or decriminalizing it is only one piece of the puzzle, because she's counting the days until she can leave the profession. But despite attending several LGBT employment seminars, Lotus hasn't yet found any alternative work. "It's nonsense sure, I'm not qualified for anything elite, but I could at least be a cleaner, right?" she fumes, swearing profusely. "Next time they should drop the T (in LGBT). "*.
Like many transgender women, Lotus is in a catch-22, where her history of working in criminalized and marginalized occupations also prevents her from getting a straight job. She's looking forward to finally changing her legal gender at the end of this month, if officials oblige, and she hopes to buy a car so she can become a Didi or Uber driver. But her plan relies on none of her past offenses being registered, because a clean criminal record is a requirement for legal gender change and for most jobs.
"I just want a normal job," Lotus says. If sex work were legalized, it might take some of the pressure off her. She wouldn't worry about being evicted if her landlord or neighbors found out about what she does for a living. It would also mean that she felt more capable of standing up for her rights against police abuse. "But even if sex work were legal, I'the still want to get out," she says.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1010971.shtml
Poppy Yang (pseudonym), 25, smiled as she checked the box beside "traveling to Kunming" in her notebook three weeks ago. Since October 2015, without spending a penny, she has traveled to around 20 places in China.
According to her, she loves traveling to different places, but she cannot afford the way she travels.
"When I travel, I would like to eat fancy food, stay in very nice hotels, not look at the price tag and buy whatever I like," she said.
"I earn less than 3,000 yuan ($448) a month, and there is no way I can pay for the travel I like on my own. ".
Yang thought she would never realize her dream, but an article she read online in August 2015 gave her new hope.
In the article, a 20-something-year-old woman talked about how she would find a temporary boyfriend online who was based in each of the places she wanted to visit and get them to take her around and pay for everything, from her airfare and hotel bills to meals and shopping sprees, in exchange for sex at night.
"I was inspired; if a man is willing to pay for my travel, I would also be willing to sleep with him at night," she said.
Determined to copy the woman in the article, Yang left dozens of messages on online social networking and dating platforms. They included her requirements for her temporary boyfriend: her preferred height, age range, looks, and a stipulation that he must be willing to pay for her trip.
After three days, someone took her up on her offer. He accompanied her on a two-week trip to Lhasa in the Tibet Autonomous Region. During the day, they went sightseeing, and the man paid for everything. At night, they slept together.
Nowadays, it appears that more young women are interested in sex-for-travel. A radio program on The Himalayan, an audio sharing platform in China, talked about the topic on September 20. The broadcast was listened to around 660,000 times up to press time.
Trading sex for travel is highly controversial. The topic has spurred heated discussion among Chinese Net users. Some see it as an understandable lifestyle, while others believe it is unethical and express serious concerns about safety issues.
According to experts, although sex-for-travel does not break Chinese law, it is not protected by it either. For some, the practice raises issues about the safety of the women. Others worry about how it might affect social perceptions of sex and sexual morality.
Bewitched by the thrill.
After her first experience, Yang could not stop. It is now her primary mode of travel.
"I became so addicted to sex-for-travel," said Yang. "Each trip is exciting because every temporary boyfriend, basically a complete stranger, brought me the thrill of unexpectedness as I met and got to know him. ".
She took her trip to Sichuan Province in May as an example. One week before her planned departure date, she got a boyfriend based in Chengdu online, and he said he would pick her up at the airport.
During the three-hour flight from Beijing to Chengdu, she was very excited.
"Although my temporary boyfriend had sent me his photos, I kept thinking whether he looks the same in real life, whether it would be awkward when we first meet at the airport, what kind of person he is and what would happen during the following days. Everything was unknown and unexpected for me," she said.
When she arrived at the exit, Yang saw a man holding a bunch of roses in one hand and a piece of cardboard with her name on it in the other.
"It was very romantic for a first meeting," she said.
In the following days, her temporary boyfriend drove her to many scenic spots and happily paid for everything, including the souvenirs she purchased.
As they chatted more, she got to know him better and felt more relaxed when she slept with him at night.
For her, the trip to Sichuan turned out to be a very pleasant experience. But at the same time that she was enjoying the lifestyle brought by sex-for-travel, she knew people were gossiping.
"They said I was trading my body for money and called me a woman without virtues," she said.
Legal, but risky.
According to Zhu Xiaoding, a lawyer from the Beijing Cailiang Law Firm, sex-for-travel does not break the law as it does not do great harm to the society or violate criminal law.
He said in sex-for-travel arrangements, most people have sex as couples and very few of them take sex as their profession or rely on it to make a living. Therefore, sex-for-travel is different from prostitution or buying sex, both of which are illegal in China.
But although sex-for-travel is not illegal, Zhu said it does have a range of risks and is likely to trigger other criminal behaviors, such as robbery, as it gives strangers the opportunity to prey on the participants.
"There exists a great gap between the virtual world and the real one," he said. "The person found online may turn out completely different in reality, and therefore, would probably pose a danger. ".
Zhu also mentioned other dangers to personal safety, such as abduction, trafficking, and homicide.
"It is also not out of the question that a woman gets photographed in the nude and is threatened to be involved in prostitution or join pyramid schemes to make money for her blackmailers," Zhu added.
He also said that if girls under the age of 14 engage in sex-for-travel, their temporary boyfriend could be charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
A person who engages in this practice also has no legal recourse if the other breaks the agreement. Zhu said that the agreement reached, either spoken or written, between the man and the woman, has no legal force, so if one breaks the agreement, the other cannot fight for him or herself through legal channels.
Tina Lin (pseudonym), a 27-year-old salesperson based in Beijing, could not agree more. She went on a sex-for-travel trip to Xiamen, Fujian Province, around six months ago, and after she had slept with her temporary boyfriend on the first night, he stopped paying for the tickets to scenic spots, refused to pay for the lunch they had the second day and then disappeared.
Sad and angry, she thought of calling the police but hesitated because she was afraid that more people would know she had traded her body for travel and would be judged. In the end, she decided not to call the police.
"I felt so regretful, but at the same time, I felt lucky that he didn't do anything worse, like shooting nude photos of me and using them to threaten me," she said.
Zhu suggested that given the potential risks, instead of giving in to thrill-seeking impulses, young girls should consider the possible negative consequences before they go on a sex-for-travel trip.
Pushing sexual boundaries?
According to Wang Qianni, an anthropologist based in Shenzhen, Guangdong Province, in a way, sex-for-travel is used by some women as a weapon to fight against the traditional social boundaries which delineate sex as something that is shameful.
She said publicizing their sex-for-travel experiences on social networking platforms shows that the participants do not consider trading their body for travel shameful.
"To some extent, it does reflect the changes in sexual morality," Wang said. "In other words, through experiencing and publicizing sex-for-travel, some youngsters move the boundaries that associate sex with shame. ".
Although she recognizes that if a woman trades her body for travel, it is her personal choice, Wang believes the phenomenon has a negative effect on society because it encourages gender inequality.
The Global Times did not find any statistics on the number of men and women who trade sex for travel, but through research, it found that the majority of the people who trade their body for travel are women.
According to Wang, female participation in sex-for-travel illustrates that the development of gender equality has regressed.
"Only when women feel they are at a disadvantage during sex would they think of being compensated with money," she said. "Women are placing themselves in a lower position in the power structure. ".
Wang said that some people find sex-for-travel attractive because travel offers a space where they can escape from their presupposed and relatively fixed social roles in daily life, where they can do things that challenge morality and daily norms.
The reason sex-for-travel is happening now and not at any other time, according to Wang, is that it is accordant with the current society where values are rapidly changing, and feelings, as well as the body, are greatly commercialized, which makes it easy for people to put a price on them.
Yang conceded that she considers her body as something she can use in whatever way she likes and enjoys the feeling of escaping from daily life and doing something unusual. But she was alarmed at the underlying risks behind sex-for-travel.
"I never expected that sex-for-travel could entail so many dangers; I will give it a second thought," she said.
Apologies if this question seems to basic but.
I'm crossing off the countries to monger to and considering all. Its a simple question: considering the hassle with language, travel, etc Is China worth it? I am a Westerner. . prob pop next to HK to Shenzhen, if anything (or are there better options?
Obviously people can say. Well go and see. Understand if you go there for business or some sightseeing but if your primary reason is mongering can anyone give me solid reasons to put China on my list (other than a "different" experience).
Cheers.
Apologies if this question seems to basic but.
I'm crossing off the countries to monger to and considering all. Its a simple question: considering the hassle with language, travel, etc Is China worth it? I am a Westerner. . prob pop next to HK to Shenzhen, if anything (or are there better options?
Obviously people can say. Well go and see. Understand if you go there for business or some sightseeing but if your primary reason is mongering can anyone give me solid reasons to put China on my list (other than a "different" experience).
Cheers.For someone who doesn't understand a potential country's language, the chances of enjoyment, success, value for money etc. is considerably reduced.
Countries like Thailand, Phillipines are much better bets - potential value for money - than China, where only a VERY SMALL proportion of "working girls" understand English.
Try HK, where English is widely spoken, and see if you like the "vibe"!
Just my 2 RMB worth.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Apologies if this question seems to basic but.
I'm crossing off the countries to monger to and considering all. Its a simple question: considering the hassle with language, travel, etc Is China worth it? I am a Westerner. . prob pop next to HK to Shenzhen, if anything (or are there better options?
Obviously people can say. Well go and see. Understand if you go there for business or some sightseeing but if your primary reason is mongering can anyone give me solid reasons to put China on my list (other than a "different" experience).
Cheers.Go to HK to experience the 141 walk up, then go to Macau to experience the Saunas. No need to go to mainland then in my opinion, other than to save some $ on the sauna (for increased hassle and stress given the language barrier).
OldAsiaHand
10-31-16, 23:39
Go to HK to experience the 141 walk up, then go to Macau to experience the Saunas. No need to go to mainland then in my opinion, other than to save some $ on the sauna (for increased hassle and stress given the language barrier).This is good advice. You can have all the mainland girls you want on 141 in HK and in the Macau saunas, as well as, more nationalities represented to monger in both places. It is not necessary to cross the border to Shenzhen. Although you can still find action in SZ, it is a not even a fraction of what it was in the day. You will be very disappointed IMHO.
Just my POV.
OAH.
Over a number of years, I have utilized the FakeGPS app shown below. It was great to be able to "re-locate" myself around to different parts of Shenzhen away from the pimps and use WeChat to connect with part-timers and freebies.
Just for fun, last night I decided to see what was happening in certain areas of SZ. No Luck! The app refused to change my location. I checked on the Playstore and the app description stated that it no longer worked with WeChat as it "use an advanced mechanism of location detection". This WeChat app update must have occurred in the last year or so (since I shifted to Hua Hin).
Does any member know of an Android Fake GPS app that is able to handle WeChat?
Ikks.
Manfield04
11-29-16, 18:47
If mongering is your hobby, then you should try the maximum number of girls in maximum number of different countries. Now, China has lots of potential as a mongering destination. Most Chinese girls in this business are beautiful. They offer all that is required for a good romp. Language is not a barrier as the girls do understand what they are required to do. Then, they use translators in their mobile. Hope this helps in your selection.
I'm crossing off the countries to monger to and considering all. Its a simple question: considering the hassle with language, travel, etc Is China worth it? I am a Westerner. . prob pop next to HK to Shenzhen, if anything (or are there better options? Cheers.
WeChat users need to be aware of the latest censorship and monitoring of users by the government. Messages can have keywords filtered out, or the whole message deleted. WeChat does not advise users of the actions. Messages can also be monitored in real-time. This includes groupchats and transmissions anywhere in the world.
This censorship applies to all users who first registered their WeChat account with a Chinese telephone number (even back in 2011).
The list of censored keywords is being constantly updated. A very simple example of its application is when you are in the USA, you WeChat with a buddy about which KTVs you are going to patronize in Shenzhen, or exchange other mongering information. Then, when you arrive in China, you may be refused entry, face interrogation, your WeChat buddy in China may be investigated, or other actions triggered.
Should you worry about it? Up to you! I am just advising of the current status of WeChat censorship. And the situation is going to become even harsher in the future!
Solutions? Maybe the best thing is to register a new WeChat account with an overseas telephone number when you are outside China.
Ikks.
Chinese New Year (Spring Festival) is on January 27 this year so the mass migration is about to start. More than 2.9 billion trips by Chinese returning to their home towns (and back). The travel period is defined as commencing 15 days prior to New Years Day (tomorrow) and lasts for 40 days.
For the last few weeks, the SYTs (many part time WGs) have been everywhere hoping to earn a bit more money to take home for the family. Friends in Shenzhen tell me the KTVs and saunas are packed to the rafters with SYTs, most willing to negotiate ST and LT experiences.
Anyway, this reminds me of a story which my friend swears to be true. We were traveling by hard sleeper from Luohu to ChangSha. I was on the top bunk and he was in the middle bunk. There were numerous passengers in the aisle and sitting on other passengers' lower bunks. He started chatting a group of 3 girls, and eventually invited them to join him in his bunk (he is slim). To his surprise, one accepted by taking off her winter jacket and climbing in with him. He claims he had a wonderful night with a giggly young girl who allowed his hands to wander anywhere and even allowed him to lead her into a HJ. We never saw an inspector, who probably would have spoiled his fun. Pity those trains don't exist any more in the larger cities AFAIK.
I am still amazed that the railways sell tickets for which there is no seat. Those passengers have to stand for the full journey even though they have paid the full fare.
I highly recommend people to experience the unforgettable CNY phenomenon once in their lives.
Ikksman.
Chinese New Year (Spring Festival) is on January 27 this year so the mass migration is about to start. More than 2.9 billion trips by Chinese returning to their home towns (and back). The travel period is defined as commencing 15 days prior to New Years Day (tomorrow) and lasts for 40 days.
For the last few weeks, the SYTs (many part time WGs) have been everywhere hoping to earn a bit more money to take home for the family. Friends in Shenzhen tell me the KTVs and saunas are packed to the rafters with SYTs, most willing to negotiate ST and LT experiences.
Anyway, this reminds me of a story which my friend swears to be true. We were traveling by hard sleeper from Luohu to ChangSha. I was on the top bunk and he was in the middle bunk. There were numerous passengers in the aisle and sitting on other passengers' lower bunks. He started chatting a group of 3 girls, and eventually invited them to join him in his bunk (he is slim). To his surprise, one accepted by taking off her winter jacket and climbing in with him. He claims he had a wonderful night with a giggly young girl who allowed his hands to wander anywhere and even allowed him to lead her into a HJ. We never saw an inspector, who probably would have spoiled his fun. Pity those trains don't exist any more in the larger cities AFAIK.
I am still amazed that the railways sell tickets for which there is no seat. Those passengers have to stand for the full journey even though they have paid the full fare.
I highly recommend people to experience the unforgettable CNY phenomenon once in their lives.
Ikksman.Yes, unforgettable. Like being in the middle of a disturbed ants' nest!
Only my experience. .
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Fast Eddie 48
01-18-17, 04:11
Chinese New Year (Spring Festival) is on January 27 this year so the mass migration is about to start. More than 2.9 billion trips by Chinese returning to their home towns (and back). The travel period is defined as commencing 15 days prior to New Years Day (tomorrow) and lasts for 40 days.
For the last few weeks, the SYTs (many part time WGs) have been everywhere hoping to earn a bit more money to take home for the family. Friends in Shenzhen tell me the KTVs and saunas are packed to the rafters with SYTs, most willing to negotiate ST and LT experiences.
Anyway, this reminds me of a story which my friend swears to be true. We were traveling by hard sleeper from Luohu to ChangSha. I was on the top bunk and he was in the middle bunk. There were numerous passengers in the aisle and sitting on other passengers' lower bunks. He started chatting a group of 3 girls, and eventually invited them to join him in his bunk (he is slim). To his surprise, one accepted by taking off her winter jacket and climbing in with him. He claims he had a wonderful night with a giggly young girl who allowed his hands to wander anywhere and even allowed him to lead her into a HJ. We never saw an inspector, who probably would have spoiled his fun..To IKKsman.
That's China everything goes you and your friend should get a cabin on the trains and get a orgy going, one of my friend told me he bang a college girl on the CRH train Guangzhou to Wuhan in the restroom the train is going 300 km a HR.
Fast Eddie 48.
Beijing4987
01-18-17, 07:46
I was in Shanghai for Chinese New Year once. It was like a war zone with smoke bombs going off on every street. The barbecues on many street corners are lovely too, if you enjoy your asthma ans bronchitis. Party on China, until the chickens come home to roost.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1032548.shtml
The recent raid on three Beijing nightclubs, the largest such bust since the capital's notorious Passion Club was shut down in 2010, was the latest step in the challenging fight against the Chinese sex trade.
The industry has long been a tricky issue, but its scale has rapidly expanded in recent years with the growth of social media, which has made enforcing the law harder than ever, said Li Yinhe, a sociologist at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.
The sex trade has reaped huge profits in recent years, with related industries alone making up around a seventh of the GDP of one Guangdong Province manufacturing city in 2014, according to the Xinhua News Agency in 2015.
The recent crackdown on the three Beijing nightclubs. The Baoli Club, the Landai Club and the Lihai Mingyuan nightclub. Which saw 77 people arrested for prostitution, is a drop in the ocean, Li told the Global Times.
In December 2016, Beijing police took into custody hundreds of people in Baoli Club, located in Beijing's Dongcheng district, and many at the two other clubs in Haidian district, the Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau said in a statement on Sunday.
There was a hidden sex network behind the busted Beijing nightclubs, the Beijing News reported. It reported that the sex workers at all three were employees of the same company and would often do shifts in different venues.
A source who visited the Baoli Club was quoted by the Beijing News as saying that the cost of hiring a sex worker ranged from 5,000 to 8,000 yuan ($726-1,163).
Protective umbrella.
Lu Weiqi, deputy director of the Municipal Public Security Bureau of Dongguan, a Guangdong boom town long known for its rampant prostitution, once described the sex trade as a profit chain involving hotel operators, contractors, managers, pimps and the sex workers themselves.
Police have never succeeded in eradicating the industry during past crackdowns, he said, even after the local authorities conducted a wide-ranging campaign in 2014 after the media exposed its sex industry.
It is difficult for police to collect evidence and identify those involved in the sex trade because of the "protective umbrella" that keeps them safe, Lu was quoted by Xinhua as saying.
Several Dongguan officials and 36 police officers were punished for negligence and abusing their power, 17 of whom have been prosecuted or face prosecution, following the 2014 crackdown the Ministry of Public Security said in February 2015. Dongguan police and officials are widely believed to have sheltered prostitution, Xinhua said.
Moreover, as the sex industry keeps up with the times and finds new ways to market itself online and offline, crackdowns are becoming increasingly difficult, Li said.
"It's impossible to eliminate prostitution in this circumstance and a crackdown would be a waste of police manpower," he explained.
Beside the industry's efforts to remain elusive, out-of-date laws and regulations leave police without the legal tools they need while opening the door to corruption.
The Law on Penalties for Administration of Public Security says that those who buy or sell sex face just 10 to 15 days of detention and a fine of no more than 5,000 yuan, said Liu Wei, a Beijing lawyer.
"Under this system, police officers have absolute power over who is detained and the length of the detention. They are both players and referees, which easily breeds corruption," said Liu Renwen, a law professor at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.
Eliminating prostitution?
Beside law enforcement challenges, the "flourishing and existence of prostitution is due to the unbalanced allocation of resources in society, resulting in those unable to earn enough selling their body for money," Peng Xiaohui, a sexology professor at Wuhan's Central China Normal University, told the Global Times on Thursday.
The key to reducing prostitution could be to provide better public welfare, according to Peng.
However, Li said that the sex trade is likely to see greater demand in the future as men significantly outnumber women in China.
Beside prostitution itself, related legitimate industries such as KTVs, massage parlors and hotels, have an impact on local GDP, Li said.
For instance, after the Dongguan authorities cracked down on prostitution the local economy lost an estimated 50 billion yuan ($7. 67 billion) in annual spending, around a seventh of local GDP, Xinhua reported in February, 2015.
FreebieFan
02-13-17, 03:05
I was in Shanghai for Chinese New Year once. It was like a war zone with smoke bombs going off on every street. The barbecues on many street corners are lovely too, if you enjoy your asthma ans bronchitis. Party on China, until the chickens come home to roost.The country has been poisoned. Foul noxious toxic air in most cities. Rivers full of lead and other waste products. Dead animals in all the big rivers. The water table, Probably poisoned too. 30 years of breakneck development, without a lot of laws and rules and the basic items of water and air are possibly destroyed beyond all hope of redemption.
Its kind of sad what they have done. And yes, fireworks were banned in central Beijing for chinese new year.. Police sent out lots of notices to businesses etc. . they just forgot to tell the people or to enforce their own bans. Friday night in Beijing was a similar war zone. And I'm sure the same in every city. Fireworks manufacturers sold a lot. And the air. Destroyed yet again.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1032548.shtml
The recent raid on three Beijing nightclubs, the largest such bust since the capital's notorious Passion Club was shut down in 2010, was the latest step in the challenging fight against the Chinese sex trade.
The industry has long been a tricky issue, but its scale has rapidly expanded in recent years with the growth of social media, which has made enforcing the law harder than ever, said Li Yinhe, a sociologist at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.
The sex trade has reaped huge profits in recent years, with related industries alone making up around a seventh of the GDP of one Guangdong Province manufacturing city in 2014, according to the Xinhua News Agency in 2015. {S N I P}
For instance, after the Dongguan authorities cracked down on prostitution the local economy lost an estimated 50 billion yuan ($7. 67 billion) in annual spending, around a seventh of local GDP, Xinhua reported in February, 2015.The Global Times is an official mouthpiece of the Communist Party (along with the China Daily and Xinhua). Any articles printed follow the official party line and are basically propaganda.
Intransit, I have previously advised you of this fact and I have suggested that rather than assisting the Communist Party spread their propaganda, you write more analytical critiques. This will help prevent newbies being misled and brainwashed. I again advise you to do this!
The article is poorly written and even contains contradictions and very little information of any use. Their description Dongguan, past and present is laughable. They write about "the umbrella" without clearly defining it. Chinese people know that in this article, the big umbrella is Jiang Zemin and that Dongguan was cleaned up to help Xi Jinping consolidate his power. The article claims that the government did not know about situation in Dongguan until the media exposed it in 2014. What a joke. It was the most famous sex capital in Asia. Millions of visitors from Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, HK, other parts of mainland China and other countries poured into Dongguan every year for sex and to a lesser extent gambling.
I really am sick of the hundreds of your transcriptions that clog ISG. If you want to post, just show the URL and write a few lines about the article. I guess 90% of your posts are just press articles clogging up ISG. Very few are ever commented on by ISGers.
And finally, if the article is from Xinhua, China Daily or the Global Times, state that this is communist propaganda and write your own critiques of the article.
Ikks.
I have asked this question on the Shenzhen forum with no luck, so I will repeat here.
Since the release of WeChat 6. 0 (I think), the FakeGPS app no longer works with WeChat. WeChat have made some changes to their location technology.
Does anyone know an equivalent app to FakeGPS that works with WeChat?
Ikksman.
P.S. A temporary solution is to use an old version of WeChat.
Big Poppa II
03-15-17, 15:58
I have asked this question on the Shenzhen forum with no luck, so I will repeat here.
Since the release of WeChat 6. 0 (I think), the FakeGPS app no longer works with WeChat. WeChat have made some changes to their location technology.
Does anyone know an equivalent app to FakeGPS that works with WeChat?
Ikksman.
P.S. A temporary solution is to use an old version of WeChat.I've been looking for the same thing. Don't log out from WeChat as it won't let you log back in with an old version, it will make you update and we know it does not work. I made that mistake trying to change accounts to hide from my regular.
I used to have everything lined-up even before I got on the plane, now I have to wait until arrival.
If you find a solution please PM me.
BP.
Apps like WeChat, QQ and ChinaLoveCupid, in China, are seriously dying in terms of usefulness for dating Chinese girls (casually and serious).
WeChat was fantastic to use around 2012 for meeting girls, including both freebies and part-timers. These days it is full of old WGs and pimps. And of course girls showing off their wealth or photos of food.
QQ is really just a copy of ICQ and is so out of date.
CLC is full of girls seeking western husbands and lots of studio photos and 20 year old photos.
Speaking to guys (both Chinese and Western), they state that TanTan and MoMo are the way to go. Only a little Chinese knowledge is necessary. I played around with TanTan and got more matches and likes than one gets on DIA in the PI (if that is possible).
Give them a go if you want to meet all sorts of girls in China.
Ikks.
Most Chinese smartphones have a function on their camera to alter the girls' looks. They automatically remove skin blemishes, enlarge the eyes, and make the face narrower.
On Samsung Galaxy smartphones this function even comes as the default setting.
Remember this next time you see a girl's photo on the internet that has been taken on a phone.
Ikks.
I have to go to Heze on business for a few days. First time there and wanted to know if there are any possibilities in Heze or nearby such as Jining? (I couldn't find anything RTFF and using the "search" function).
Thanks in advance.
Mr Russell
04-28-17, 03:59
Hey mongers!
I just arrived in Changping China last night. First time here and went out looking services last night and was unable to find any. Asked cab drivers but all said the only available line up was at KTVs. Went to a KTV recommended by cab driver but there were NO available services! I'm kinda disappointed so far. Did I make a trip overseas for this type of activity?
Anyone been here in the past few months and can make recommendations or provide contacts? I have no set itinerary here so can move around town nearby. Plan to go Shenzhen tomorrow unless I find something here in Dongguan / Changping.
Hey mongers!
I just arrived in Changping China last night. First time here and went out looking services last night and was unable to find any. Asked cab drivers but all said the only available line up was at KTVs. Went to a KTV recommended by cab driver but there were NO available services! I'm kinda disappointed so far. Did I make a trip overseas for this type of activity?
Anyone been here in the past few months and can make recommendations or provide contacts? I have no set itinerary here so can move around town nearby. Plan to go Shenzhen tomorrow unless I find something here in Dongguan / Changping.You won't be getting anything out of CP/ Dongguan as a first timer and no connections area been pretty much shut down.
I have to go to Heze on business for a few days. First time there and wanted to know if there are any possibilities in Heze or nearby such as Jining? (I couldn't find anything RTFF and using the "search" function).
Thanks in advance.Heze is a relatively poor part of a moderately affluent province, ShanDong. So the number of "little misses" is probably higher than in other parts of ShanDong.
However, having said all that.
Can you speak Chinese? Do you use WECHAT (weixin)? Do you have / use QQ?
There are "underground" brothels but difficult for a foreigner to quickly find.
Just my Heze experience.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Heze is a relatively poor.. Just my Heze experience. Enjoy and report.
P13.Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I do not speak Chinese, but can use WeChat and an translator app. I decided to actually stay in Qufu and be transported to and from Heze, since now it looks like I will only need to be in Heze 1 day. I assume it's the same scenario in Qufu?
If nothing available in Qufu, I had already pallned to visit Hong Kong and Macau on this trip by taking a train, so I will wait if I have to.
Thanks.
Can anyone translate the following acronyms, which are specific to China, and therefore hard to find on western forums such as this?:
GM.
XT.
SM.
Cheers!
I figured them out with a bit of context:
GM = 干25705; Gan Mo = Dry Rubbing. Massage without oil. Usually implies sex.
XT = 胸25512; Xiong Tui = Chest Push. Massage with tits.
SM = 水25705; Shui Mo = Water Massage. Nuru (or at least the Chinese imitation of it).
Can anyone translate the following acronyms, which are specific to China, and therefore hard to find on western forums such as this?:
GM.
XT.
SM.
Cheers!
Bone Roller
05-21-17, 00:03
Any of you local hands want to give me some consolidated advice for tech on my upcoming trip? Last time in the middle kingdom I was frustrated by not having the right apps to travel and hobby effectively. By RTFF I have the following essentials:
WeChat.
Baidu maps.
Baidu translate.
Tantan.
Any other app recommendations for logistics or hooking up?
Jude Bright
05-21-17, 15:11
Any of you local hands want to give me some consolidated advice for tech on my upcoming trip? Last time in the middle kingdom I was frustrated by not having the right apps to travel and hobby effectively. By RTFF I have the following essentials:
WeChat.
Baidu maps.
Baidu translate.
Tantan.
Any other app recommendations for logistics or hooking up?Qq is another app in monger field. I use qq to connect with girls and wechat with my friends.
Jb.
Apps like WeChat, QQ and ChinaLoveCupid, in China, are seriously dying in terms of usefulness for dating Chinese girls (casually and serious).
Speaking to guys (both Chinese and Western), they state that TanTan and MoMo are the way to go. ...
Ikks.I am agnostic, and tech-illiterate, on the usage of these apps, but I had not heard of TanTan, and near the top of the Google search, this report (raising very valid concerns of using TanTan in the land of 100 million hackers) popped up near the top:
https://www.larrysalibra.com/how-chinese-tinder-clone-screws-you/
I am agnostic, and tech-illiterate, on the usage of these apps, but I had not heard of TanTan, and near the top of the Google search, this report (raising very valid concerns of using TanTan in the land of 100 million hackers) popped up near the top:
https://www.larrysalibra.com/how-chinese-tinder-clone-screws-you/I did a quick search on Google, and nearly all the hits were copies of the Larry Saribra article. I believe his analyses are accurate. His 2 main points were:
(1) that TanTan does not offer end-to-end encryption (although have promised to offer in the future), and.
(2) their app is easily hacked by tech savvy nerds using various software tools (note that usage of the HTTPS / SSL safeguard is not a big stumbling block to hackers).
AFAIK, WeChat and QQ also do not use end-to-end encryption (which are both owned by Tencent, also a Chinese company), although WeChat has sadly blocked the use of GPS spoofing apps such as FakeGPS. I am not sure about TanTan. Additionally, all Chinese companies will happily allow the government free access to their users' data, both real time and archived.
I also contend that a lot of encryption is easily broken by government hackers. Microsoft Skype utilises a particularly weak form of encryption.
In conclusion, whether you use WeChat, QQ or TanTan you need to be aware of their vulnerabilities and take precautionary steps if you fear consequences.
Ikks.
I figured them out with a bit of context:
GM = 干25705; Gan Mo = Dry Rubbing. Massage without oil. Usually implies sex.
XT = 胸25512; Xiong Tui = Chest Push. Massage with tits.
SM = 水25705; Shui Mo = Water Massage. Nuru (or at least the Chinese imitation of it).I have many times suggested that to display the Hanzi characters, one needs to put a space between, or to enclose in bold or italic (few seem to read or follow this advice to help other members).
However, to convert the posts of others to the correct Chinese characters, this is also simple albeit a bit time consuming. The process is shown below using the previous example.
1. Complete the numeric HTML Unicode by adding &# at the beginning of each number (and leaving the semicolon at the end of each number).
2. Use a Unicode to Chinese conversion tool to get the correct Chinese characters from the Unicode version and append to the first (correctly shown) character.
GM = 干摩
XT = 胸推
SM = 水摩
3. Then retranslate the complete expression to English.
GM = 干摩 = gΰn mσ = fuck (vulgar) massage
or, gān mσ = dry massage (without oil)
XT = 胸推 = xiōng tuī = chest push (massage with tits)
SM = 水摩 = shuǐ mσ = water massage
I generally use the Chinese-Tools dot com website to do the conversion. There are many others.
Anybody know any faster solutions?
Ikks.
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1000210/what-sex-workers-can-tell-us-about-chinas-transformation
What Sex Workers Can Tell Us About China's Transformation.
Scholar Ding Yu explains how sex work reflects changing times, from 'xiaojie' to 'compensated dating. '.
Qian Jinghua.
In the 1990's, if you were a young woman in any Chinese city, everyone from waiters to taxi drivers would call you xiaojie. Ten years later, the once-ubiquitous term had become a euphemism for female sex workers. Some government offices even passed guidelines banning their employees from referring to their colleagues as xiaojie.
Though prostitution was outlawed in China in 1949, it has proven to be an extensive and resilient industry. Chinese economist Yang Fan has estimated that up to 20 million people are engaged in some form of sex work from mistresses in private apartments and "money boys" in high-end clubs to street-based workers of all genders. Massage parlors, karaoke clubs, mahjong game rooms, and hair salons are all common sites for commercial sex.
Ding Yu is an associate professor of sociology and social work at Sun Yat-sen University in Guangzhou, and she has spent more than 10 years researching the lives of female sex workers in the dynamic and developed Pearl River Delta region, where the university is based.
Covering Macau, Hong Kong, and the southern Chinese province of Guangdong, the Pearl River Delta is now the world's largest urban area in terms of both size and population. Millions of migrants from less affluent parts of China have poured into the region, which produces a quarter of the country's exports in less than 1 percent of its territory. The area is also famous for high-profile raids on its red-light districts, especially in the cities of Dongguan and Shenzhen.
Both in China and overseas, academic research on sex work often focuses on law and morality, with plenty of pages devoted to arguing for either the decriminalization or the eradication of the industry. Ding's research, however, shifts the spotlight to how xiaojie as the women prefer to call themselves see their own lives. As part of her fieldwork, Ding even lived with two xiaojie off and on for a period of six months.
What she found was that while academics and advocates often insist that sex work should be considered a form of labor, many xiaojie understand their role differently and in fact delight in the ways their lives diverge from women laborers. The interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.
Sixth Tone: You write about xiaojie not only in terms of business, but also in terms of desire and identity. How did you come to understand the xiaojie label?
Ding Yu: Within the community, many don't especially like or understand the term "sex worker" and prefer the term xiaojie.
I found that the term "sex worker" was mostly used by academics pushing to legalize the industry. Many academics feel that it's important to respect this community by using a term that classifies what they do as a profession. But in fact, many xiaojie don't really understand or like this name because they feel the term emphasizes sex.
The term "sex worker" reduces all their work to sex, which doesn't reflect the reality of what they do. It doesn't accurately represent the diverse forms of emotional work and entertainment that they're engaged in; rather, it highlights the one part that's stigmatized.
Another important reason is that the term xiaojie has a particular context from the period of China's opening-up (in the 1980's). Back then, it wasn't such a common term for referring to women because it sounded so bourgeois. It's a term that was associated with capitalism and cosmopolitanism.
So xiaojie as a word has few negative aspects for the women. It's a little bit ambiguous, it can hold rich and varied meanings, and it's commonly understood.
Sixth Tone: Many of the xiaojie you interviewed come from the countryside. How does this pathway compare to the other options available to them?
Ding Yu: There's an important class dimension. As migrants coming from the country to the city, they want to be part of this modern, developed world. They want to shed the kind of coarseness that's associated with the countryside.
The most common other option for migrant women is to work in a factory. Most xiaojie are very well-informed about the conditions of factory work, and they know they're not interested.
They know other women from their hometowns who are factory laborers, and there are plenty of media reports that show how it is tedious, repetitive, and arduous, how the worker is treated like a machine. They know you're stuck in dorm accommodation, far from the city center, producing luxury items you can't afford to buy yourself. They know you are outside the modernity and development as a handmaiden to it.
Other options, such as being a waitress or nanny or shop assistant these positions generally see lower income and worse working conditions than being a xiaojie, which is thus not a particularly poor option.
Sixth Tone: There has been a huge crackdown on sex work in China in the past few years. What has changed for the women?
Ding Yu: The work becomes more concealed. Encounters with clients might be more indirect: Instead of regulars who visit the mahjong club or hair salon, they will connect online or through apps.
With more online business, it's hard to compare how people operate now with the community of xiaojie in the past. There's maybe more of what the Japanese call "compensated dating" a sexual encounter in order to pay for a vacation or buy an iPhone. You go out with a guy, he'll pick up the bill, take you to a film, buy you a luxury bag.
With compensated dating, these people might not see themselves as either xiaojie or sex workers they don't see it as work. They might emphasize that it's a kind of dating or even a hookup. It's more part of the culture of casual sex than a business transaction.
Sixth Tone: Sex work has a long history in China. How has its mainstream perception changed?
Ding Yu: I think there's been very little change in mainstream perception over the decades. It's not that people opposed it in the past and accept it now. There has always more or less been this attitude of having one eye open and one eye closed. People don't think it's absolutely corrupt or immoral, but they also can't entirely accept it. For the most part, people accommodate it.
For young people, their growing openness to sexuality might mean that the overall environment is a little easier, comparatively. With apps and everything, there are more ways for them to express their sexuality or meet sexual needs.
Sixth Tone: You have said that it's difficult to research sex work in China because you can't get funding or teach related subjects. What has been the impact of that gap in research?
Ding Yu: The research environment is tighter than it was. From around 1995 to the early 2000's, there was more funding and more freedom for research and publication for work around sexuality. But in the last few years, it has become much harder to publish anything on those topics. Editors will tell you, "We don't publish things like that. ".
The impact is that there has been very little research on the major changes to this industry and this community, or on how their work and needs have changed. We lack a deep understanding of that.
Recently there has been some chatter about cybersecurity and internet access. I am not a total guru in this area but I do know some people who are gurus.
Firstly be aware that all China telecom companies (which are generally government owned) readily provide data information, including location information to the government and will block messages that contain "sensitive" key words (which are regularly updated as required). Be aware that your data and information is not "private" in China.
So, it is impossible to completely fly under the radar in China. Personally, I have always used a separate phone (generally with a SIM card purchased overseas) to give a bit of additional privacy (and to minimise potential privacy concerns with your regular GF / wife).
Viruses, Worms, etc, etc
It should be obvious that you should install quality virus and spyware protection software on both your PC and your mobile phone. And be sure to install the latest updates (some companies provide updates as regularly as every week). An increasing amount of malware is coming out of China / North Korea and South Korea.
Messaging/Dating/Pick up Services
The most popular apps for Chinese are WeChat, QQ and Tantan (There are many others). None of these provide end-to end data encryption or have backdoors that totally negate any privacy that encryption is supposed to provide. I suspect that this is a government directive, which will probably be relaxed as their snooping capabilities increase.
When using non-Chinese apps, check that they utilize strong end-to-end encryption. For example, MS Skype has notoriously weak encryption. Amnesty dot org is one of many sites where you can collect information on the security of these apps.
WeChat has also implemented different techniques for identifying the physical location of mobile phones. Apps such as FakeGPS are no longer effective to change or mask your location. I do not know of any spoofing app that gets around this restriction. I have not investigated whether or not TanTan is in the same category.
VPNs
You need a VPN service to access many external websites when you are in China. When selecting a VPN provider:
(1) Select a company that owns its own servers (I think StrongVPN and Pure VPN fall into this category)? This greatly enhances the reliability of the service, with their ability to quickly switch servers when China (periodically) blocks VPN servers (or more correctly the servers' IP addresses) trying to access the GFW.
(2) Do not use companies that utilize servers located in China.
(3) Download the app (both PC and mobile) when you are outside of China. You will probably find that the website is blocked by the GFW, when you are in China.
(4) Don't use the PPTP or L2 TP protocols. China is able to hack these in real time! SSTP, OpenVPN and IPSec Protocols are more secure, but not bulletproof.
BTW, I do not know of any Chinese (non-HK) companies providing VPN services, and, if they exist, they would be totally insecure.
In conclusion, be aware of the risks and act accordingly to your own assessment and your own personal security requirements.
Ikks.
I have many times suggested that to display the Hanzi characters, one needs to put a space between, or to enclose in bold or italic (few seem to read or follow this advice to help other members).
However, to convert the posts of others to the correct Chinese characters, this is also simple albeit a bit time consuming. The process is shown below using the previous example.
1. Complete the numeric HTML Unicode by adding &# at the beginning of each number (and leaving the semicolon at the end of each number).
2. Use a Unicode to Chinese conversion tool to get the correct Chinese characters from the Unicode version and append to the first (correctly shown) character.
GM = 干摩
XT = 胸推
SM = 水摩
3. Then retranslate the complete expression to English.
GM = 干摩 = gn m = fuck (vulgar) massage
or, gān m = dry massage (without oil)
XT = 胸推 = xiōng tuī = chest push (massage with tits)
SM = 水摩 = shuǐ m = water massage
I generally use the Chinese-Tools dot com website to do the conversion. There are many others.
Anybody know any faster solutions?
Ikks.Include your chinese phrase (s) in quotes, save the post to another document, for example "Notepad", preview the report (and note the chinese writing which has been converted to a number string), copy and paste from your "Notepad" document the necessary chinese phrase (s) over the number string. Then upload the report.
Often works for me! Hahaha.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
Include your chinese phrase (s) in quotes, save the post to another document, for example "Notepad", preview the report (and note the chinese writing which has been converted to a number string), copy and paste from your "Notepad" document the necessary chinese phrase (s) over the number string. Then upload the report.
Often works for me! Hahaha.
Enjoy and report.
P13.Hi Pushkin,
Your approach also enables the accurate posting of Chinese characters and pinyin. The problem is that some posters do not read either of our suggested approaches to correctly display Chinese on the ISG forums.
But the main thrust of my post was to present something that has never been published on ISG or anywhere else. This is, when another member does not follow our suggestions, and incorrectly posts Chinese phrases. Then all we read are incomprehensible number and words! How do we reconvert the garble into something understandable?.
It always irritates me when a member posts something like:
Do you swallow? 你20570;21475;27963;20799;21527;65311; Kou Huo are.
My post explained a method to show the correct characters and pinyin from the totally incomprehensible rubbish. Perhaps I did not explain very well, but I did step through how to retranslate the above into:
Do you swallow? 你做口活儿吗？ Nǐ zuς kǒu huσ er ma?
I do not believe that anybody has presented a solution to this problem before, and this will enable readers to go back to previously incomprehensible posts and learn often valuable, sensible and useful phrases.
Ikks.
P.S. Actually I think the above means "do you give a BJ (mouth work)?" rather than "do you swallow?
Hi Pushkin,
Your approach also enables the accurate posting of Chinese characters and pinyin. The problem is that some posters do not read either of our suggested approaches to correctly display Chinese on the ISG forums.
But the main thrust of my post was to present something that has never been published on ISG or anywhere else. This is, when another member does not follow our suggestions, and incorrectly posts Chinese phrases. Then all we read are incomprehensible number and words! {S N I P}
My post explained a method to show the correct characters and pinyin from the totally incomprehensible rubbish. Perhaps I did not explain very well, {S N I P }I can give a more detailed example of the procedure. Someone recently posted a Chinese phrase which the ISG web site software (vBulletin) converted into:
"90分38047;2次10084;65039;26381;21153;36229;32423;22909;65292;37197;21512;24230;39640;12290;".
Note that the editor does not alter the first Chinese character at the beginning of a string of Chinese. The following Chinese characters are converted into a series of 5 digit numbers followed by a semi-colon. These are partial Unicode HTML codes. If the writer had included pinyin, these would also have been corrupted (removing the characters with tones).
(1) Add &# to the beginning of each 5 digit number in the string, leaving the ; at the end of each number. This provides a string of true Unicode HTML codes in the format &#(5 digit number);. I cannot show here the exact result as the editor (bizarrely) now converts the Unicode to their correct Chinese characters. To give you a better idea of the modified string, I have added a space after each &# to fool the editor (you do NOT add the space when you are following this process).
90分&# 38047;2次&# 10084;&# 65039;&# 26381;&# 21153;&# 36229;&# 32423;&# 22909;&# 65292;&# 37197;&# 21512;&# 24230;&# 39640;&# 12290;
(2) Run this string through a Unicode to Chinese character converter and we get the correct Chinese characters:
90分钟2次❤️服务超级好，配合度高
(3) Use a Chinese to English translator and we can now read the pinyin and English:
90 Fēnzhōng 2 cμ ❤️fϊwω chāojν hǎo, pθihι dω gāo
90 minutes 2 times ❤️ service super good, with high degree of cooperation
Ikks.
P.S. The Unicode converter that I most commonly use is http://www.chinese-tools.com/tools/converter-unichar.html.
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1000261/why-is-china-still-obsessed-with-virginity%3F
Why Is China Still Obsessed With Virginity?
Shifting sexual mores mean young women are shamed both for having too much sexual experience and too little.
Huang Yimin
May 26,2017
SHANGHAI In a recent episode of the popular Chinese TV series "Ode to Joy," which began its second season this month, Qiu Yingying, one of the show's five young female protagonists living in Shanghai, gets dumped by her boyfriend after he finds out that she is not a virgin. His mother even says that Qiu must not respect her own body.
Even in 2017, a preference among heterosexual men for female virgins or chun qingjie, "the virgin complex" persists in China. But there are signs that the trend is reversing. In some quarters, one set of social pressures is giving way to another, as young people are shamed both for having too much sexual experience and too little.
University student Mary Yang, 23, has encountered both perspectives. When she was still in high school, she remembers adult men openly voicing their preferences for virgins in relationships. "They made me feel disgusted and objectified," she tells Sixth Tone.
But when Yang entered college, her more sexually liberal peers ridiculed her for being a virgin. Her university friends shared their myriad sexual experiences during games like Truth or Dare, but when it was Yang's turn, she confessed, uncomfortably, that she had no stories to share.
Yang's own view is that she wants to have some sexual experience before marriage so she can find "a more sexually compatible partner" later down the road. Yet while this is a fairly common attitude among young people in China, the larger society still believes women should remain virgins until marriage an expectation that is rarely applied to men.
Since sex is an act between two or more people, the fact that there is an overwhelming preference for female virgins among heterosexual men points to a glaring double standard.
Liu, a 20-year-old college student who, like many others Sixth Tone spoke to for this story, declined to give his full name, says most of his male classmates at a high school in Nanjing held a view that he recognized as unfair: Though they would date women who had sexual histories, when it came to marriage, they preferred virgins.
The issue of the virgin complex has sparked heated discussion in Chinese online forums. A post about the "Ode to Joy" plot on Zhihu, a Quora-like question-and-answer forum, received a wide spectrum of responses. While most female respondents disapproved of Qiu's boyfriend's behavior, many male commentators were less critical of his attitude, seeing it as a matter of personal preference rather than a product of chauvinism.
"A preference for virgins is just a preference like anything else," one male user called Betray wrote. "Some people prefer raw dates, while others prefer them cooked. " he added, however, that it was important to make one's feelings known before beginning a serious relationship because "spitting out the date after eating it" was irresponsible. Another user called Lin Bai wrote that he would not judge other men's preferences, just as he would not judge "women who go after limping old men for money. ".
As in the case of the boyfriend's mother in the television plot, older women are often guilty of championing the importance of female chastity. Earlier this month, Ding Xuan, a 63-year-old female expert on traditional culture, gave a lecture at Jiujiang University, in the eastern province of Jiangxi, during which she claimed that "chastity is a woman's best asset," and that "being a virgin is the best gift for a husband. " She was widely criticized after her lecture slides were shared on microblogging platform Weibo, with many saying she represented "feudal China" and challenging her to apply equivalent standards to men.
Longtime women's rights advocate Feng Yuan explains that the virgin complex has historical origins in patriarchal family structures. Lineage was crucial, and there were no DNA tests to prove paternity, so marrying a virgin was one way for men to safeguard their genetic lines. "This 'blood is thicker than water' notion was etched in the Chinese mindset, and it still influences some people's views today," she says.
"In the patriarchal society, women were trophies to reflect male success and achievement," Feng argues. The thinking was that virgins could belong to their men entirely, because they had never been 'possessed' by another man before. As a woman's own sexual pleasure was not considered important, given her duty to bear children, it was thought improper for a woman to have sex before marriage.
Since the birth of modern China, Feng believes the nation has never fully resolved the tensions between traditional and progressive values when it comes to sexuality. "On the one hand, 'New China' advocated for gender equality, banned prostitution, and improved marriage laws," she says. "On the other hand, it increased government surveillance in every aspect of life, blurring the lines between public and private. This resulted in people seeing sex as a humiliating act, and premarital sex as immoral. ".
But for younger generations, especially those born in the 1990's and later, diverse attitudes are apparent. While the virgin complex continues to direct the dating standards of some, others say they have been shamed by their peers for remaining virgins.
Xia, a 23-year-old college student, says that though mainstream media portrays virginity in a largely positive light as a form of purity, among his peers, virginity is seen as a bad thing for both genders. His friends jokingly label virgins as "the leftovers. ".
Teresa, 21, recalls that when she was in high school, it seemed that "every guy had the virgin complex, and every girl wanted to remain a virgin until marriage. " But things seem to have shifted since then, she adds: One of her close female friends has been living with a boyfriend for a year.
College students now are also coming of age at a time when more progressive representations of sexuality are visible in film and television, mainstream media, and even on campus. Zhihe, a student organization based at Shanghai's prestigious Fudan University, attempts to fill the gaps in classroom-based sexual education with events, discussions, and its own online media channels. The organization's WeChat messaging group has over 300 members.
For Zhang Hanzhen, the 20-year-old president of Zhihe, it is important for a discussion of sexuality to include both feminist and LGBTQ perspectives. For him and for other gay and lesbian members of Zhihe, Zhang says that "while (men's preferences for female virgins) do not directly concern us, we neither understand nor approve of such a mindset. ".
Every year, the student group produces its own version of "The Vagina Monologues," based on Eve Ensler's 1996 play and adapted to include stories from Zhihe's members' own experiences.
In a rapidly changing China, traditional sexual mores are simultaneously challenged by countercultural groups and defended by staunch conservatives. And while traditional culture promotes female chastity before marriage, contemporary Western media often scorns a lack of sexual experience. Building a truly liberal atmosphere, in which no position is shamed, is no easy task.
"Either promoting or denigrating the lack of sexual experience makes me feel uneasy," Mary Yang says. "Sex is personal I don't like to be judged for it. ".
Correction: A previous version of this story included a reference to a survey of Chinese men that apparently found that 90 percent of respondents preferred to date virgins, but incorrectly linked a different article. As no reliable source was found for the survey, we have removed this reference.
I have many times suggested that to display the Hanzi characters, one needs to put a space between, or to enclose in bold or italic (few seem to read or follow this advice to help other members).
However, to convert the posts of others to the correct Chinese characters, this is also simple albeit a bit time consuming. The process is shown below using the previous example.
1. Complete the numeric HTML Unicode by adding &# at the beginning of each number (and leaving the semicolon at the end of each number).
2. Use a Unicode to Chinese conversion tool to get the correct Chinese characters from the Unicode version and append to the first (correctly shown) character.
GM = 干摩
XT = 胸推
SM = 水摩
3. Then retranslate the complete expression to English.
GM = 干摩 = gn m = fuck (vulgar) massage
or, gān m = dry massage (without oil)
XT = 胸推 = xiōng tuī = chest push (massage with tits)
SM = 水摩 = shuǐ m = water massage
I generally use the Chinese-Tools dot com website to do the conversion. There are many others.
Anybody know any faster solutions?
Ikks.Sure, but the point of my post wasn't to give the Chinese characters, but the meanings of the acronyms.
LOLWTFBBGirl
06-13-17, 12:24
Hey guys,
I'm currently working in Philippines and I'm really craving some fair skinned slim Asian hotties that will come to my hotel room or be easily accessible from the street / mummies. I have no interest in going to KTVS or scrolling through bars for hours on end trying to chat up girls.
I've been scrolling backpage and was originally going to go to Korea but was told China is a better option for what I'm looking for. My budget is between $200-500 per girl and this will only be a few days. I don't speak any mandarin.
What area would you guys recommend I stay? I've read the past few pages but haven't really found much information or if I have read what I'm after it hasn't sunk in because China is so big and I think I'm just flat out confused.
Apologies if you get this kind of question all the time but I have submitted some reports in the past so I hope someone will humour me and help me out.
Thanks.
Hey guys,
I'm currently working in Philippines and I'm really craving some fair skinned slim Asian hotties that will come to my hotel room or be easily accessible from the street / mummies. I have no interest in going to KTVS or scrolling through bars for hours on end trying to chat up girls.
I've been scrolling backpage and was originally going to go to Korea but was told China is a better option for what I'm looking for. My budget is between $200-500 per girl and this will only be a few days. I don't speak any mandarin.
What area would you guys recommend I stay? I've read the past few pages but haven't really found much information or if I have read what I'm after it hasn't sunk in because China is so big and I think I'm just flat out confused.
Apologies if you get this kind of question all the time but I have submitted some reports in the past so I hope someone will humour me and help me out.
Thanks.I'd say stay in the Philippines! There are light skinned girls there who will do more for less and without the language barrier.
Milfotronic
06-15-17, 22:53
Last time I was in mainland China was back in 2011. They were cracking down on prostitution everywhere and it was very hard to find girls. I went to some massage parlors and they were very strict about NO SEX. They only offered he. One late night in Hong Kong I picked up a hooker in Kowloon. She took me to her room but it soon turned out she had mental issues. The sex was worthless and I couldn't wait to get out of there. I had previously had some mixed experiences of HK and Macau. The girls charge a lot but the sex is seldom good. I can only remember two girls in Macau that satisfied me, both from the mainland of course.
How is the situation now?
OldAsiaHand
06-16-17, 00:22
Hey guys,
I'm currently working in Philippines and I'm really craving some fair skinned slim Asian hotties that will come to my hotel room or be easily accessible from the street / mummies. I have no interest in going to KTVS or scrolling through bars for hours on end trying to chat up girls.
I've been scrolling backpage and was originally going to go to Korea but was told China is a better option for what I'm looking for. My budget is between $200-500 per girl and this will only be a few days. I don't speak any mandarin.
What area would you guys recommend I stay? I've read the past few pages but haven't really found much information or if I have read what I'm after it hasn't sunk in because China is so big and I think I'm just flat out confused.
Apologies if you get this kind of question all the time but I have submitted some reports in the past so I hope someone will humour me and help me out.
Thanks.You can use WeChat and / or find mummies on the street in pretty much any of the big cities; Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen. I reckon you will find the most English spoken in Shanghai but not at any level even close to the Philippines. That said, your budget may be OK for Korea but way over the top for China unless you are going to the high-end KTV. Please remember that what you see on WeChat is not what turns up at the door most of the time. This is universal.
Just my POV.
OAH.
I'm going to Wuhan is September, any one got any escorts recommendations and other things as well? Thanks in advance.
The Rise of the Butthurts and the Xiǎo Fěnhng
Some of you may have noticed the increase in anti-foreigner actions and propaganda 'reported' in the state run media, particularly over the last 12 months. This 'brainwashing' and promotion of nationalism has resulted in a huge increase in citizens' negativity towards westerners.
Bloggers Winston and see-Milk report their experiences in the following YouTube posting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IWsUQo0FU&t=267s
I find their travel blogs to be generally realistic and interesting. I agree with much of their findings of their numerous blogs (ADVChina, Serpentza and Laowhy86), although I do not agree with them breaking the law (including riding motor bikes in banned areas and incorrect visa usage) or using 'clickbait' headings on Youtube.
One strong recommendation that I would make is never be a 'good Samaritan' in China, as it is likely to go wrong and you will be blamed, at least partially, for the problem. Additionally never get into an argument or dispute with a Chinese person. That person will almost inevitably will shout out to the gathering crowd of onlookers something like "This foreigner says all Chinese are bad" or something similar, and the mob mentality of the crowd will result in you being severely beaten by the infuriated crowd.
Another recommendation is to be very careful what you publish or post to the internet even if it is not on a Chinese site. It can expose you to unwanted attention!
These clubs have largely disappeared as the rich elite are wary of being seen frequenting lavishly decorated and expensive places after the Bun Emperor's crackdown. And the government has even closed down some of the more ostentatious ones, including a number of golf clubs. Many of these clubs offered nightclubs and sauna services. The Bun Emperor has effectively curbed the luxury habits of executives of state owned enterprises.
I wonder what has happened to the original artworks and antiques that were used to furnish and decorate these clubs?
In 2014, my SYT and I went to Hangzhou and a number of clubs for the elite were in the gardens and park lands surrounding West Lake. We came across one discreetly lit place with a large empty car park and no patrons. Being cheeky, I entered the club, and asked a casually dressed girl. Who appeared from nowhere. If we could have dinner there. She went away and eventually returned and said OK. Probably the staff thought they could earn a bit of money on the side!
We had a really good meal (Zhejiang style seafood) surrounded by European antiques and artworks and with a nice view of the lake. The waitress freaked out when I attempted to take some photos, although I sneaked a few snaps of the tasteless arrangements of furniture and art when she was in the kitchen or just not looking!
I wonder if some of these clubs will lower their entrance requirements and let us poor foreigners taste their luxury (and girls)?
Ikks.
The Rise of the Butthurts and the Xiǎo Fěnhng{S N I P}小粉红 xiǎo fěnhσng (xiao fenhong) little pink
Not sure what happened (vBadvanced 4. 0. 1 vs vBulletin 4. 1. 4?
One of my enjoyable pastimes in the past was to use FakeGPS and Wechat to shift my virtual location around a city to locate (discover) and then message potential freebies, part-timers and WGs (usually pimps). This was advantageous because WeChat returns the majority of discoveries within a radius of maybe 300 to 400 m in cities where WeChat was commonly in use (depending on the density of users). For example, I could sit in my apartment in Futian, and wander around Luohu discovering potential SYTs in that district (and I got to know the hotspots where the probability of success was significantly higher). I even met some married women using this technique.
But, no more! WeChat now uses the BaiduLocationSDK to identify the user's phone location. It previously used the LocationManager service (which FakeGPS utilises to spoof locations). This is why Wechat (version 6 and up) is not affected by any spoofing by FakeGPS. An app would need to change the location at the hardware level to fool WeChat.
There is no English documentation about BaiduLocationSDK. This SDK enables the use of the Hardware Abstraction Layer to communicate directly with the GPS hardware. This change has been imposed by the Chinese Ministry of Public Security.
I have spent quite a few man-hours investigating alternatives to FakeGPS. I have been totally unsuccessful in my quest. I wish some guru here would be able to read the Chinese documentation on BaiduLocationSDK and write an app to fool WeChat.
Ikks.
http://supchina.com/2017/08/23/high-end-nannies-sugar-babies-chinas-latest-society-culture-news/
High-end nannies or sugar babies? China's latest society and culture news.
"For the first time in my life, prostitution sounds civilized and innocent to me. ".
"I see nothing wrong with it if both are single and it's a consensual relationship. ".
These are two typical reactions (in Chinese) to a new form of shady business emerging in the Chinese nanny market, where young and pretty girls are hired by wealthy older men to take care of not only their household chores but also their client's sexual needs.
Kankan News discovered (in Chinese) an underground market in Beijing on a series of nanny-seeking posts on several recruiting websites. While the average monthly salary for a full-time Chinese nanny in the capital ranges from 5,000 yuan ($750) to 8,000 yuan ($1,200), a few job postings, marked as "private" (31169;20154; sīareιn) or "high-end" (39640;31471; gāoduān), stand out by offering an unusually high salary of more than 20,000 yuan ($3,000) per month.
A reporter from Kankan News applied for one of these positions and was given a job interview. During the interview, she was told that the minimum monthly wage for a private nanny was around 30,000 yuan ($4,500), and that only basic skills were required such as cooking and laundry. However, she was also told that a private nanny needs to live with her employer.
Satisfied with the female reporter's age and look, the manager introduced her to a potential customer, a 42-year-old man running a clothing business, who explicitly told the reporter that he was looking for a "nanny to sleep with" (38506;24202;38463;23016; pιichuαngāwhyν).
The Beijing police have opened an investigation into the case and vowed to punish any form of prostitution.
Apparently many Chinese people have more than a passing interest in American politics. My Hunan porcelain doll informs me that Chinese netizens commonly write bαi zuǒ (白左) as a derogatory term when referring to America's "white left liberal retards" (her words not mine, as I am apolitical wrt American politics).
Ikks.
There have been recent reports of many VPN services being unavailable in China. Whilst China has blocked many services that use PPTP and L2 TP protocols, I do not know of any blocks occurring with VPN connections that use the OpenVPN protocol. If you are using PPTP or L2 TP, change to OpenVPN and try again.
If you need to utilise a new VPN service, you will find that most of the VPN provider websites are blocked in China, so you cannot signup for and download the VPN software. There are 3 ways to address this issue.
1. When you are outside China, go to the VPN provider website, download and install the VPN software.
2. Get a friend outside China to sign up for you and send you the install executable as a file or via a USB stick.
3. Check with friends outside China if they know of VPN providers that have mirror sites. Many mirror sites are not currently blocked by China's great firewall.
I know of a well-known VPN provider that has 2 mirror sites that are not blocked in China. PM me if you want details.
Ikks.
Matsushimahp
10-14-17, 05:11
One of my enjoyable pastimes in the past was to use FakeGPS and Wechat to shift my virtual location around a city to locate (discover) as.Have you tried MEMU? Android emulator. And then install wechat. Might have to verify via your own phone with code etc. And maybe re lookup the contact on your own phone's wechat.
Have you tried MEMU? Android emulator. And then install wechat. Might have to verify via your own phone with code etc. And maybe re lookup the contact on your own phone's wechat.Thanks, MEMU is an emulator for running android app on PCs. Don't know how good it is, but we shall find out! But even if it loads, I suspect the BaiduLocation services will fail. But worth a try!
Ikk.
There has been a fair bit of chatter on the Shanghai forum about VPNs and related issues (and why it is continuing on the Shanghai forum rather than here is beyond me). I suggest that none of us know the true capabilities of their cyber intelligence, interception, deciphering, deep packet inspection and data extraction capabilities. I previously had some insight into these matters, but wisely do not investigate these areas.
I think that the only matter of relevance to mongering is the ability to safely access various websites, and I stand by my recent post in this forum for reliable and reasonably anonymous web browsing.
BTW, I do not believe that the Chinese authorities have any specific interest in the mongering habits of foreigners, particularly when Chinese mongers outnumber foreigners 10,000 to 1. Dongguan was a slightly different kettle of smelly fish as CP had become a major sex tourist destination for foreigners, and a potential embarrassment to China.
Ikks.
Our High End Full Service Sexual Reflexology (all in one) package includes:
A. Full body acupressure meridians massage in 3 rounds: 1. By the masseuse hands (Tantric Massage), 2. By her naked body parts to your body (Body to Body) and 3. By her tongue for better Chi Energy transfer in some Meridians and Points.
B. Expert stimulation of the secret sexual acupressure points that enhance sexual health, performance and feelings.
C. Prostate massage in synchronize with testicles and penis acupressure points massage.
The. Face sitting and kissing..Be advised.
Total scam. Not independent as other articles claim, is an agency and the girl that visited me was far from all promised in fact after the 30 min massage she indicated finished. I was clearly unhappy as like most do won't start without full payment. I mentioned since your not full and zero tantric experience that I wanted part of the money back so she could leave.
She started making a scene by shouting and of course late at night in an auto scale hotel that's the last attention you want.
Kicked her out and took my losses.
Just an advice. Worst experience and total scam with zero service.
I was reading a travel blog on China, and the writers "couldn't approve of the Chinese habit to have sexual intercourse with their women even when they were menstruating and of their highly organised prostitution" and the fact that "the Chinese sodomise boys who are provided for that purpose".
But on another issue, they also noted the fact that "They have rule of law. Right is done wherever it is due and no blind eye is turned to the misdeeds of those of high status."
Actually, this was written about 1100 years ago, during the Tang Dynasty. This was about the time of the infamous An Lushan rebellion which wiped out somewhere between 40% and 66% of the total population of China (possibly as many as 40 million souls)!
Ikks.
DoubleHappy
11-22-17, 17:32
Since 2014 all that has changed. It began with a crackdown on brothels and saunas in China's sex capital, Dongguan. Many observers assumed that this crackdown would be like many others, and after laying low for a few months, the brothels and saunas would reopen and things would be back to normal. But that never happened. It's been three years since the big crackdown now, and there is no sign that things will ever go back to normal. The crackdown has spread from Dongguan to every city in China large and small. All the old barbershop brothels are closed down permanently. All the old sex saunas are also closed down permanently.
Sexual services are still available in China today, but they are more expensive and harder to find than before.
Last time I was in mainland China was back in 2011. They were cracking down on prostitution everywhere and it was very hard to find girls. I went to some massage parlors and they were very strict about NO SEX. They only offered he. One late night in Hong Kong I picked up a hooker in Kowloon. She took me to her room but it soon turned out she had mental issues. The sex was worthless and I couldn't wait to get out of there. I had previously had some mixed experiences of HK and Macau. The girls charge a lot but the sex is seldom good. I can only remember two girls in Macau that satisfied me, both from the mainland of course.
How is the situation now?
http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1001266/the-realistic-response-to-chinas-prostitution-problem
Long article on the "state of the industry. " Very interesting. Too long and too much formatting to post here. Worth a read if you follow this sort of thing.
There has been a fair bit of chatter on the Shanghai forum about VPNs and related issues (and why it is continuing on the Shanghai forum rather than here is beyond me). I suggest that none of us know the true capabilities of their cyber intelligence, interception, deciphering, deep packet inspection and data extraction capabilities. I previously had some insight into these matters, but wisely do not investigate these areas.
I think that the only matter of relevance to mongering is the ability to safely access various websites, and I stand by my recent post in this forum for reliable and reasonably anonymous web browsing.
BTW, I do not believe that the Chinese authorities have any specific interest in the mongering habits of foreigners, particularly when Chinese mongers outnumber foreigners 10,000 to 1. Dongguan was a slightly different kettle of smelly fish as CP had become a major sex tourist destination for foreigners, and a potential embarrassment to China.
Ikks.Many VPNs have been removed and are no longer working. This was especially evident before and during the congress meeting. Only a few tier 1 VPN service remains, mainly ExpressVPN, VyprVPN, NordVPN etc.
I found a great website that does speed testing and reviews of VPNs in China: www.jumpthegreatfirewall.com.
Stay safe everyone!
AlphaPunk2
12-11-17, 14:16
Many VPNs have been removed and are no longer working. This was especially evident before and during the congress meeting. Only a few tier 1 VPN service remains, mainly ExpressVPN, VyprVPN, NordVPN etc.
I found a great website that does speed testing and reviews of VPNs in China: www.jumpthegreatfirewall.com.
Stay safe everyone!Yes I agree. ExpressVPN still works with very little problems. Thanks for the review site BTW.
ShangaiGrils
12-12-17, 04:20
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Hi there,
Does anyone know any sites like SHLF, that has ads with QQ or WeChat numbers of independent girls?
Most of the girls do not speak English but they are much cheaper than escort agencies.
Any recommendations?
Cheers,
Tony.
Hi there,
Does anyone know any sites like SHLF, that has ads with QQ or WeChat numbers of independent girls?
Most of the girls do not speak English but they are much cheaper than escort agencies.
Any recommendations?
Cheers,
Tony.Can you read, write, speak, hear Mandarin (putonghua)?
What is your budget?
Do you know Shanghai well enough to be able to easily navigate with the Underground Railway, buses, taxis etc. ?
P13.
DoubleHappy
01-04-18, 09:02
Can you read, write, speak, hear Mandarin (putonghua)?
What is your budget?
Do you know Shanghai well enough to be able to easily navigate with the Underground Railway, buses, taxis etc. ?
P13.I sorry to tell guys. QQ girls only accept Chinese. Not foreigners. They think Foreigners are too strong and too big for them. Hahaha.
Can you read, write, speak, hear Mandarin (putonghua)?
What is your budget?
Do you know Shanghai well enough to be able to easily navigate with the Underground Railway, buses, taxis etc. ?
P13.Yeah, I can speak and read Chinese. Come on, taking the subway is not that difficult, even if you do not understand Chinese.
Budget? Have not given it much thought. But less than 1500 for an hour or so I think that is what saunas charge, don't they? (Never tried it).
OnceUponATimee
02-28-18, 10:10
Hey guys,
I used to frequent this spa on Anhua Lu (close to the intersection of Jiangsu Lu. It looked like a usual multi storey building from outside and had a side entrance. Lift to go up once you change downstairs into those kimono gowns. A stage for like up and further up on 3-4 floor rooms. It is also listed on happymassage.
However when I went there yesterday, I saw that the gate was closed. The guy I used to call for selection is also not picking up his phone. I am afraid this place may have shut down in wake of recent crack downs in Shanghai. Wondering if any one here knows about this place being open or relocated to another area? Perhaps a back entrance?
Can one of you help me with an alternate contact in Zhongshan park or gubei or Changning area please? PM ME.
Peace.
With the news the Chinese president is changing laws so he can be president for life. China will not return to its glory it used to be. Dong Guan ext. Too bad, he does not like this hobby and the crackdown will continue for his life. I always thought with a new president this would blow over. But, because China is very controlled by the government. Any election will be fixed. Already the government rigged the internet so you can't look up certain terms associated with the presidential race. Too bad.
Midwestern
03-12-18, 11:01
I am thinking about flying a former ATF who lives in another city to my city for 3 days, 2 nights. I used to pay her 1000 for ST and 2000 for LT. I'll reimburse her flights, but how much more should I give her? Is 10,000 too much, which is essentially 5000 for two LTs? I'm obviously trying to compensate her for all the traveling she'll have to do. Anyone know the pricing for this? Anyone have any experience doing this?
I am thinking about flying a former ATF who lives in another city to my city for 3 days, 2 nights. I used to pay her 1000 for ST and 2000 for LT. I'll reimburse her flights, but how much more should I give her? Is 10,000 too much, which is essentially 5000 for two LTs? I'm obviously trying to compensate her for all the traveling she'll have to do. Anyone know the pricing for this? Anyone have any experience doing this?I recently asked my ATF to stay from Friday evening to Sunday. Spent two nights together. We've been seeing each other for more than 2 years so naturally we know each other well and there's a certain level of trust. So I simply asked her, how much she wanted for it. She told me 10000 and that's the number I had in my mind as well, so I paid it. (Well, I paid 2 x 5200) She was worth it.
I mean, if she's your ATF and you have a connection with her. I assume you kind of know how much she's asking for certain services, and you kind of have an expectation as well. And then just. Ask her?
Midwestern
03-13-18, 06:17
I recently asked my ATF to stay from Friday evening to Sunday. Spent two nights together. We've been seeing each other for more than 2 years so naturally we know each other well and there's a certain level of trust. So I simply asked her, how much she wanted for it. She told me 10000 and that's the number I had in my mind as well, so I paid it. (Well, I paid 2 x 5200) She was worth it.
I mean, if she's your ATF and you have a connection with her. I assume you kind of know how much she's asking for certain services, and you kind of have an expectation as well. And then just. Ask her?Thanks for sharing your experience, MAarcade. But it seems one major difference between us is that I'm asking her to fly to see me. Anyway, I think I'll go with 10,000 if I proceed with this. But a fellow monger friend of mine on here gave me sage advice, which is to find a new ATF. He is probably right. And it'll save me money, LOL.
Wechat surreptitiously copies and stores all the photos in your albums and stores it in the app on your phone. Tencent is then able to upload the photos to its servers.
I don't know whether or not it does the upload automatically or on command. In any event, those photos can by used in cyberpolicing activity, possibly to the detriment of you or your friends.
I just found this. Likely this chap did not contract his bug in China but ya never know do ya??
https://www.yahoo.com/news/super-gonorrhea-man-first-ever-201826422.html
So let me start off here with a I used to monger for a long time then I made a trade, that ended and now I'm back but in a different part of the world LOL.
Anyways curious how to meet Chinese sex worker who wants to trade three to five years of being my personnal toy for a green card. Yeah I know I can go the marriage agency route, etc but not trying to go that way as I always found the lies, cost, etc stupid. Yes I also know I could take a one sex holiday to China and find one. Did this the last five years with a Russian girl, figure Chinese this time. I'm better than random dudes daily and figure there millions of Chinese women, especially sex workers, that would happily make that trade (or hell even a handler / mamasan than would encourage them).
Just curious how to go about it without actually flying to China outside once to meet them. Green card trading something that goes on everywhere but for the life of me I can't seem to get into those circles. FFS I got friends who have been PAID for them and I'm simply trying to trade for one.
StinkyFeet
04-29-18, 19:40
Man if you find one let me know LOL.
But in all honesty IMO seems like the young working girls have it made for them now since their are so many Chinese guys literally throwing money at them. An older borderline retiring working girl I can see a possibility but I don't think you would be interested in a mood thirties lady.
So let me start off here with a I used to monger for a long time then I made a trade, that ended and now I'm back but in a different part of the world LOL.
Anyways curious how to meet Chinese sex worker who wants to trade three to five years of being my personnal toy for a green card. Yeah I know I can go the marriage agency route, etc but not trying to go that way as I always found the lies, cost, etc stupid. Yes I also know I could take a one sex holiday to China and find one. Did this the last five years with a Russian girl, figure Chinese this time. I'm better than random dudes daily and figure there millions of Chinese women, especially sex workers, that would happily make that trade (or hell even a handler / mamasan than would encourage them).
Just curious how to go about it without actually flying to China outside once to meet them. Green card trading something that goes on everywhere but for the life of me I can't seem to get into those circles. FFS I got friends who have been PAID for them and I'm simply trying to trade for one.
so many Chinese guys literally throwing money at themThere is truth in that but what a Chinese guy isn't doing is getting them out China and, while I think you correct especially in the coastal cities and their suburbs, I've been out in the peasant villages (ten years ago) of Yunnan, Gansu, and Qinghai and hot little peasant girls don't have coastal rich Chinese men throwing money at them; they are lucky to marry the butcher's son and not get beat to much while working the fields. Also given the large amount of ongoing illegal immigraiton into the US and green card marriages (and divorces three years later) FROM China it's still a big thing. Like I see it happening all the time in the area I live in but being a white guy I can't break into that circle sadly unless I just want to do it for money (which I don't, I. E. There are always Chinese women looking to pay you US $20 K to get married but never actually see them outside the immigratin interview). The girls are there and willing, the problem is trying to get into contact with them and that is where I fail short of, like I said, taking a two month trip to find one or buy one from a marriage agency. Still figured I would post here afterall lots of locals on here and who knows, maybe a mamasan or friend of a friend knows somebody as well. Poverity sucks and they are marrying out of it anyways, the problem is matching up with them.
No worries though, if I find I find (hint: feel free to PM me if you know somebody if you are reading this), if not maybe I will swing by China next year or maybe instead I will swing by a refugee camp in Bangledesh, Kenya, or Jordan. I have many a friend tell me refugee camps are the easiest and fastest way to do this (and I know a couple guys who have did so and married a smoking hot refugee). The thing is I hate lying to chicks and with refugees, well they are more tradiional and looking to stay married / start a rea life and make the best of it whereas the nice thing about sex workers is they are practical about it.
StinkyFeet
04-30-18, 06:36
Holy sheet refugee camp! That's a hardcore passion you have!
There is truth in that but what a Chinese guy isn't doing is getting them out China and, while I think you correct especially in the coastal cities and their suburbs, I've been out in the peasant villages (ten years ago) of Yunnan, Gansu, and Qinghai and hot little peasant girls don't have coastal rich Chinese men throwing money at them; they are lucky to marry the butcher's son and not get beat to much while working the fields. Also given the large amount of ongoing illegal immigraiton into the US and green card marriages (and divorces three years later) FROM China it's still a big thing. Like I see it happening all the time in the area I live in but being a white guy I can't break into that circle sadly unless I just want to do it for money (which I don't, I. E. There are always Chinese women looking to pay you US $20 K to get married but never actually see them outside the immigratin interview). The girls are there and willing, the problem is trying to get into contact with them and that is where I fail short of, like I said, taking a two month trip to find one or buy one from a marriage agency. Still figured I would post here afterall lots of locals on here and who knows, maybe a mamasan or friend of a friend knows somebody as well. Poverity sucks and they are marrying out of it anyways, the problem is matching up with them.
No worries though, if I find I find (hint: feel free to PM me if you know somebody if you are reading this), if not maybe I will swing by China next year or maybe instead I will swing by a refugee camp in Bangledesh, Kenya, or Jordan. I have many a friend tell me refugee camps are the easiest and fastest way to do this (and I know a couple guys who have did so and married a smoking hot refugee). The thing is I hate lying to chicks and with refugees, well they are more tradiional and looking to stay married / start a rea life and make the best of it whereas the nice thing about sex workers is they are practical about it.
Does anyone know anything about this site? It's a 'find your wife' website, but some of girls on there are phenomenal. I tineye'd a few of the pictures (not believing they could be real) and each one came back with 0 hits. Making me really wonder.
Traveling to China soon for the first time.
Can you recommend a working VPN for the iPhone that allows me to use Google, Google Maps, WhatsApp, Line, etc? Ideally free, but wouldn't mind paying for a month as long as it's working.
In a recent visit Nord worked well. Think they have a free trial period too. Lots of other posts on the tooic tho, read away.
Traveling to China soon for the first time.
Can you recommend a working VPN for the iPhone that allows me to use Google, Google Maps, WhatsApp, Line, etc? Ideally free, but wouldn't mind paying for a month as long as it's working.
LeonardShelby
06-03-18, 23:58
Has anyone used escortofchina website? The pictures seem to good to be true. The prices are exorbitant. 3000 for an hour.
Traveling to China soon for the first time.
Can you recommend a working VPN for the iPhone that allows me to use Google, Google Maps, WhatsApp, Line, etc? Ideally free, but wouldn't mind paying for a month as long as it's working.Hi,
I use Astrill VPN and have no problem for a long time. Both on PC and mobile.
LeonardShelby
06-12-18, 22:29
I used ExpressVPN and it works great for me. Use both on PC and iOS.
Traveling to China soon for the first time.
Can you recommend a working VPN for the iPhone that allows me to use Google, Google Maps, WhatsApp, Line, etc? Ideally free, but wouldn't mind paying for a month as long as it's working.
FarEastTrader
06-30-18, 13:26
I used ExpressVPN and it works great for me. Use both on PC and iOS.I second the ExpressVPN option. It is the most flexible VPN I've used so far.
You can use the service for up to 3 devices concurrently. More interestingly, if you have a Router that is capable of VPN connections, then you effectively have unlimited devices.
Also, given server locations at various countries, you can easily select your home country (say UK) and access Google and other websites as if you are browsing from home. No need to deal with over-aggressive foreign language customization of Google Maps / Search Results.
I am a USA passport holder. I understand there are no visa requirements to Hong Kong which I will be traveling to.
Is it possible to get a visa to China quickly in Hong Kong? And how to do it?
I will be in Manila prior to Hong Kong, can I get a visa in Manila?
Thanks in advance for your help.
I am a USA passport holder. I understand there are no visa requirements to Hong Kong which I will be traveling to.Is it possible to get a visa to China quickly in Hong Kong? And how to do it?
lp.Bring your old passport with your old visa (or photo / print) from the last time (s) you were in China. It'll speed things up. Getting Chinese visa Macau is more convenient / easier than from HK.
ManonsanBoy
07-15-18, 14:08
I am a USA passport holder. I understand there are no visa requirements to Hong Kong which I will be traveling to.
Is it possible to get a visa to China quickly in Hong Kong? And how to do it?
I will be in Manila prior to Hong Kong, can I get a visa in Manila?
.Easy and same day service available. Just look up China Travel service when you get to HK. Your hotel should also be able to help. Do not bother about getting it Manila.
Thanks for info on getting visa to China.
I am a Chinese American businessman in Shanghai and staying by East Nanjing Road. At night, men and women will aggressively approach me as they apparently can easily tell I am a foreigner. I do my best to blend in but these people are able to tell. Last night, I went for a foot massage (which was great) and on my way back to my hotel on Nanjing Road, I was approached by a lady who spoke good-enough English. She offered the same service as countless of others before her but since I had just experienced a good massage, I asked her how much was it for normal, non-sexual massage. That was my first mistake. She engaged me and gave me "recommendations" on where to get massages for locals. She insisted I go with her so she could show me places where I can get normal massages or sexual massages. She assured me that it was perfectly fine to just look so that I could go there tomorrow by myself. I figured, since I only had 1 credit card and 30 RMB on me nothing could really go wrong. Also, I was under the impression I was going to a general area with multiple venues. This was my second mistake. So, we get on this motorcycle taxi to a tall building in a seemingly OK part of the city about 5 miles away. As soon as we got there, she walked fast in front of me to guide me inside the building and then to an upper floor. At that point, I sensed she was taking me to a sexual massage place and not the regular massage place I was looking for and I politely told her that maybe we shouldn't waste time. But again, she insisted I just take a quick look and if I didn't like it, she would take me to the massage place. I said OK and followed her into this open apartment with maybe 45 not-very happing looking prostitutes. As soon as I got in, she asked me to sit down in one of the rooms in the back so that I could meet everyone. I sat right next to her as I didn't want to get swarmed by these women but as soon as I sat down, she left to "get water" and the mama san asked me which one I thought was pretty. I told her I wasn't looking for sex at all and that they were all pretty. She then asked me what was my type, I said slim ones and she chose one and left me in the room with her. At that point, I was confused as to what was expected of me. The girl couldn't speak English and she did not exactly look happy to be there either. So when the mama san came back after a minute, I asked her what was I doing there. I told her again that I had no money. She said I could "try" a little and if I like then I could come back the next day and pay 400 RMB and then left. I tried to be nice to the girl and told her that I was more sleepy than anything else and that I wasn't a good prospect. After this, she called the mama san and they both left and told me she was going to get the scout that got me there in the first place. Then, to my surprise, two men came in the room with one man acting as the boss / bill collector and the other as muscle and shut the door close. Technically speaking, I could have taken on both of them as I am strong and skilled in fighting. However, there was no way to know who else was out there or if they had any weapons, plus I just didn't know how bad it could get if things got violent. So, I realized that I had to oblige to everything they said to get out of the situation. The bill collector demanded money for using the room and spending time with the girl. I told him I only had 30 RMB and I had explicitly told the scout and the mama san that I had no money on me. Then he said, the services were going to cost me 29,000 RMB and that I had to find a way to pay him. I remained calmed but acted nervous, I explained to him that I had no way to get cash since I wasn't carrying an ATM card but that he could try charging my credit card that had a limit of $3000. He then called a third person that came with a bag of point-of-sale machines and started swiping my card. After charging me 23,000 RMB, he said I would get a discount and to be careful in Shanghai. I said ok and I reminded him I had no money to get back to my hotel, so he asked someone in the front and got me 100 RMB for a taxi. I quickly left the premises escorted by the guy who came with the bag of machines and he was even talkative and friendly, he got the taxi and waved goodbye as if nothing had happened.
As soon as I got to the hotel, I called my credit card to report the incident and to dishonor all charges. The credit card company issued me another card and I am sure the scammers will not only get a single RMB out of me. Instead, they actually lost money by giving me 100 RMB for the taxi home. I am always cautious when I travel abroad and I am glad that my cautious plan of taking only 1 credit card and some cash out worked in this case. In almost 30 years of traveling internationally, I never had an experience as bad this one and this serves as a reminder that one should NEVER trust anyone approaching you on the street, especially in China. It's rather sad that authorities seem to turn a blind eye on this issue as there are numerous scouts on Nanjing Road approaching foreigners with the police present. I was lucky to not lose money and learn from the experience but I am sure many others are not. These practices stain the image of China and my hope is to contribute my story so that it can help others in avoiding scams.
Midwestern
08-26-18, 04:54
I am a Chinese American businessman in Shanghai and staying by East Nanjing Road. At night, men and women will aggressively approach me as they apparently can easily tell I am a foreigner. I do my best to blend in but these people are able to tell. Last night, I went for a foot massage (which was great) and on my way back to my hotel on Nanjing Road, I was approached by a lady who spoke good-enough English. She offered the same service as countless of others before her but since I had just experienced a good massage, I asked her how much was it for normal, non-sexual massage. That was my first mistake. She engaged me and gave me "recommendations" on where to get massages for locals. She insisted I go with her so she could show me places where I can get normal massages or sexual massages. She assured me that it was perfectly fine to just look so that I could go there tomorrow by myself. I figured, since I only had 1 credit card and 30 RMB on me nothing could really go wrong. Also, I was under the impression I was going to a general area with multiple venues. This was my second mistake. So, we get on this motorcycle taxi to a tall building in a seemingly OK part of the city about 5 miles away. As soon as we got there, she walked fast in front of me to guide me inside the building and then to an upper floor. At that point, I sensed she was taking me to a sexual massage place and not the regular massage place I was looking for and I politely told her that maybe we shouldn't waste time. But again, she insisted I just take a quick look and if I didn't like it, she would take me to the massage place. I said OK and followed her into this open apartment with maybe 45 not-very happing looking prostitutes. As soon as I got in, she asked me to sit down in one of the rooms in the back so that I could meet everyone. I sat right next to her as I didn't want to get swarmed by these women but as soon as I sat down, she left to "get water" and the mama san asked me which one I thought was pretty. I told her I wasn't looking for sex at all and that they were all pretty. She then asked me what was my type, I said slim ones and she chose one and left me in the room with her. At that point, I was confused as to what was expected of me. The girl couldn't speak English and she did not exactly look happy to be there either. So when the mama san came back after a minute, I asked her what was I doing there. I told her again that I had no money. She said I could "try" a little and if I like then I could come back the next day and pay 400 RMB and then left. I tried to be nice to the girl and told her that I was more sleepy than anything else and that I wasn't a good prospect. After this, she called the mama san and they both left and told me she was going to get the scout that got me there in the first place. Then, to my surprise, two men came in the room with one man acting as the boss / bill collector and the other as muscle and shut the door close. Technically speaking, I could have taken on both of them as I am strong and skilled in fighting. However, there was no way to know who else was out there or if they had any weapons, plus I just didn't know how bad it could get if things got violent. So, I realized that I had to oblige to everything they said to get out of the situation..First, sorry about your terrible experience. Second, thanks sincerely for taking the time to report your experience as a warning for others. Third, unfortunately, these kinds of scams are common in all large cities around the world, especially in areas where tourists congregate. This is why every monger needs to RTFF. The person that approached you is called a tout. About every other page on the Chinese forums, someone will report a tout or remind others about them. Other scam touts are people that come up to you while you are pub-hopping, and they want to take you to a lady bar. Once you get there and order a beer, a pretty girl (or two) will approach you and ask you to buy her a drink. You will say sure. But when you are ready to leave and ask for the bill, you will discover that her drinks are something like 2,000 rmb each. These places are known as black bars among the locals. Another scam tout is a girl approaches you and asks if she can practice her English with you. You say sure and she suggests a tea house. Sounds innocent enough. When you guys get there, she orders a tea set. When it's time to pay, the bill is something like 20,000 rmb. And less egregious scams are bait-and-switch girls on WeChat, CL, from pimps. And sometimes, when you get these girls into the room, they will ask you to pay first and then they ask you to shower. But while you are showering, they run off, sometimes with some of your belongings. And nowadays, there is some fear of using well known escort agencies. Last year, a dozen foreigners got jailed for 2 weeks in a sting operation that was going after a well known escort agency. The police had the communications between the johns and the agency, so they knew where to find the foreigners to arrest them. These foreigners were then jailed for 2 weeks because the police needed them to testify against the agency's owner and assistant. And nowadays, there are a fear of raids at saunas and even at MPs. You might be coming out of an MP, and the police may show up and ask you to admit to a handjob with a promise to go easy on you, but once you admit to it, they take to you jail for 2-12 days. A few years ago, a guy in Beijing refused to admit to getting a handjob, and the police beat him up. This is nothing unique to Shanghai. Stuff like this happens everywhere. But if you RTFF, you can learn some safe ways to enjoy some naughty fun in Shanghai. Though, nothing is 100 percent safe. Anyway, stay safe. And thanks for reporting.
Sammartin8935
08-27-18, 15:59
Traveling to China soon for the first time.
Can you recommend a working VPN for the iPhone that allows me to use Google, Google Maps, WhatsApp, Line, etc? Ideally free, but wouldn't mind paying for a month as long as it's working.Connecting to public WiFi can open us up to a number of risks. When we connect to a public WiFi hotspot, we have no way of knowing whether the router has been configured securely. I would highly recommend you none other than Ivacy VPN to stay secure and browse safely especially when you are traveling.
https://www.ivacy.com/
I am a Chinese American businessman in Shanghai and staying by East Nanjing Road. At night, men and women will aggressively approach me as they apparently can easily tell I am a foreigner. I do my best to blend in but these people are able to tell. Last night, I went for a foot massage (which was great) and on my way back to my hotel on Nanjing Road, I was approached by a lady who spoke good-enough English. She offered the same service as countless of others before her but since I had just experienced a good massage, I asked her how much was it for normal, non-sexual massage. That was my first mistake. She engaged me and gave me "recommendations" on where to get massages for locals. She insisted I go with her so she could show me places where I can get normal massages or sexual massages. She assured me that it was perfectly fine to just look so that I could go there tomorrow by myself. I figured, since I only had 1 credit card and 30 RMB on me nothing could really go wrong. Also, I was under the impression I was going to a general area with multiple venues. This was my second mistake. So, we get on this motorcycle taxi to a tall building in a seemingly OK part of the city about 5 miles away. As soon as we got there, she walked fast in front of me to guide me inside the building and then to an upper floor. At that point, I sensed she was taking me to a sexual massage place and not the regular massage place I was looking for and I politely told her that maybe we shouldn't waste time. But again, she insisted I just take a quick look and if I didn't like it, she would take me to the massage place. I said OK and followed her into this open apartment with maybe 45 not-very happing looking prostitutes. As soon as I got in, she asked me to sit down in one of the rooms in the back so that I could meet everyone. I sat right next to her as I didn't want to get swarmed by these women but as soon as I sat down, she left to "get water" and the mama san asked me which one I thought was pretty. I told her I wasn't looking for sex at all and that they were all pretty. She then asked me what was my type, I said slim ones and she chose one and left me in the room with her. At that point, I was confused as to what was expected of me. The girl couldn't speak English and she did not exactly look happy to be there either. So when the mama san came back after a minute, I asked her what was I doing there. I told her again that I had no money. She said I could "try" a little and if I like then I could come back the next day and pay 400 RMB and then left. I tried to be nice to the girl and told her that I was more sleepy than anything else and that I wasn't a good prospect. After this, she called the mama san and they both left and told me she was going to get the scout that got me there in the first place. Then, to my surprise, two men came in the room with one man acting as the boss / bill collector and the other as muscle and shut the door close. Technically speaking, I could have taken on both of them as I am strong and skilled in fighting. However, there was no way to know who else was out there or if they had any weapons, plus I just didn't know how bad it could get if things got violent. So, I realized that I had to oblige to everything they said to get out of the situation. The bill collector demanded money for using the room and spending time with the girl. I told him I only had 30 RMB and I had explicitly told the scout and the mama san that I had no money on me. Then he said, the services were going to cost me 29,000 RMB and that I had to find a way to pay him. I remained calmed but acted nervous, I explained to him that I had no way to get cash since I wasn't carrying an ATM card but that he could try charging my credit card that had a limit of $3000. He then called a third person that came with a bag of point-of-sale machines and started swiping my card. After charging me 23,000 RMB, he said I would get a discount and to be careful in Shanghai. I said ok and I reminded him I had no money to get back to my hotel, so he asked someone in the front and got me 100 RMB for a taxi. I quickly left the premises escorted by the guy who came with the bag of machines and he was even talkative and friendly, he got the taxi and waved goodbye as if nothing had happened.
As soon as I got to the hotel, I called my credit card to report the incident and to dishonor all charges. The credit card company issued me another card and I am sure the scammers will not only get a single RMB out of me. Instead, they actually lost money by giving me 100 RMB for the taxi home. I am always cautious when I travel abroad and I am glad that my cautious plan of taking only 1 credit card and some cash out worked in this case. In almost 30 years of traveling internationally, I never had an experience as bad this one and this serves as a reminder that one should NEVER trust anyone approaching you on the street, especially in China. It's rather sad that authorities seem to turn a blind eye on this issue as there are numerous scouts on Nanjing Road approaching foreigners with the police present. I was lucky to not lose money and learn from the experience but I am sure many others are not. These practices stain the image of China and my hope is to contribute my story so that it can help others in avoiding scams.Great report. Yeah, in shanghai never follow a tout. In a regular massage place, and even a sauna, you can leave money around and never worry about it. However, 100% of tours are crooks.
I am a Chinese American businessman in Shanghai and staying by East Nanjing Road. At night, men and women will aggressively approach me as they apparently can easily tell I am a foreigner. I do my best to blend in but these people are able to tell. Last night, I went for a foot massage (which was great) and on my way back to my hotel on Nanjing Road, I was approached by a lady who spoke good-enough English. She offered the same service as countless of others before her but since I had just experienced a good massage, I asked her how much was it for normal, non-sexual massage. That was my first mistake. She engaged me and gave me "recommendations" on where to get massages for locals. She insisted I go with her so she could show me places where I can get normal massages or sexual massages. She assured me that it was perfectly fine to just look so that I could go there tomorrow by myself. I figured, since I only had 1 credit card and 30 RMB on me nothing could really go wrong. Also, I was under the impression I was going to a general area with multiple venues. This was my second mistake. So, we get on this motorcycle taxi to a tall building in a seemingly OK part of the city about 5 miles away. As soon as we got there, she walked fast in front of me to guide me inside the building and then to an upper floor. At that point, I sensed she was taking me to a sexual massage place and not the regular massage place I was looking for and I politely told her that maybe we shouldn't waste time. But again, she insisted I just take a quick look and if I didn't like it, she would take me to the massage place. I said OK and followed her into this open apartment with maybe 45 not-very happing looking prostitutes. As soon as I got in, she asked me to sit down in one of the rooms in the back so that I could meet everyone..Excellent post Rick Mont. We can all learn from that story. I am glad to read it because I am off to China next month. You are lucky you speak mandarin. It could have been worse if you could not understand what they are saying. Right when the mama says you can try and pay tomorrow. That is when I would've gotten the mama and told her you want to stay but you need to go to your hotel to get cash. That would have been a possible way out. To follow any tout in China with no money is just asking for trouble. There is no such thing as just look. I am surprised that they did not demand to pat you down. I usually bring a dummy wallet with me. After reading this story I will not forget it. The amount they were demanding was ridiculous and your experience is just scary. Thank you for sharing.
Team,
I am going to Zhongshan, China next month. What is the scene there? Anyone been there that can tell me what to expect with the woman?
Just came back from a trip to China, and the internet situation seems to be getting more serious as many more popular websites have been blocked. Arrived and my normal VPN was not working, but luckily I had a website bookmarked which allowed me to find and access a VPN website to purchase and download one. Purchased Express vpn and did not run into further problems.
www.jumpthegreatfirewall.com/
Stay safe and make sure to get a working VPN before arriving. It will save you the headache.
I have a question for the long time China travelers that also have visited the Philippines.
All else being equal, if you were offered an all expenses paid trip to either country, which would you choose and why?
I ask because I see some smoking hot Chinese women in this forum's gallery. However, attitude and performance is also important. So, what is the verdict?
Thanks.
How the hell do I get out of this airport to my hotel after or around midnight.
I thought the Chinese were on the cutting edge no 24 HR metro.
I prefer bus there are two night buses apparently.
http://www.shairport.com/dmgjHE/index_234271677.aspx
Can someone give me detailed instructions which where to catch the bus around midnight or after at Hongqiao international and what are the drop off points hotels closest to cause I'll be tired as hell when I arrive. Last resort taxi are they scammers at the airport where to catch.
Maybe there's a link about late arrival?
Thanks.
How the hell do I get out of this airport to my hotel after or around midnight.
I thought the Chinese were on the cutting edge no 24 HR metro.
I prefer bus there are two night buses apparently.
http://www.shairport.com/dmgjHE/index_234271677.aspx
Can someone give me detailed instructions which where to catch the bus around midnight or after at Hongqiao international and what are the drop off points hotels closest to cause I'll be tired as hell when I arrive. Last resort taxi are they scammers at the airport where to catch.
Maybe there's a link about late arrival?
Thanks.LOL, newbie to China and wants to take a public bus. Forget about it. It will be confusing as hell where to catch it (likely no English signs), and you'll need to tell the driver in Chinese when you want to stop (no stop buttons on buses). The Chinese are not expecting foreigners to take the bus.
Just take a taxi & bring a taxi card for your hotel- make sure to go to the official taxi line and you'll avoid the huge scammers that try to pick you up in the arrivals lounge. Now, the regular taxi drivers may also try to scam you a bit by taking a long route, but it'll be no worse than 50 RMB extra, and since you are posting here, 50 RMB 'tip' should be no problem.
LOL, newbie to China and wants to take a public bus. Forget about it. It will be confusing as hell where to catch it (likely no English signs), and you'll need to tell the driver in Chinese when you want to stop (no stop buttons on buses). The Chinese are not expecting foreigners to take the bus.
Just take a taxi & bring a taxi card for your hotel- make sure to go to the official taxi line and you'll avoid the huge scammers that try to pick you up in the arrivals lounge. Now, the regular taxi drivers may also try to scam you a bit by taking a long route, but it'll be no worse than 50 RMB extra, and since you are posting here, 50 RMB 'tip' should be no problem.What is "bring a taxi card for your hotel" ?
Hongqiao is about 11-12 km from the city centre is it a good idea easier to book my hotel close to People Square? Everyone knows in case. Any decent hotels 50 bucks range? Hostels?
I rarely taxi I take public buses in developing countries sometimes you got to ask for help push for an answer but its worth it I find both in savings and meeting the locals.
What is "bring a taxi card for your hotel" ?
Hongqiao is about 11-12 km from the city centre is it a good idea easier to book my hotel close to People Square? Everyone knows in case. Any decent hotels 50 bucks range? Hostels?
I rarely taxi I take public buses in developing countries sometimes you got to ask for help push for an answer but its worth it I find both in savings and meeting the locals.When you get to the Hotel you can ask for a "taxi card". The Taxi card has the hotel address on it in both English and Chinese. When you get into a taxi you show the card to the driver and most of the time the driver can understand and take you to the hotel. The problem in Shanghai is that a lot of taxi drivers are from the countryside and don't know the city very well or can't read mandarin. Of course if this is your first time visiting the hotel you want have a taxi card. Some hotel websites have the location in both English and Chinese so you can print the instructions and take them with you, or just take a picture to show the taxi driver. Since I have visited China many times and have many Chinese female friends I just send the address to one of my friends and have her send the address back to me in spoken Chinese via Wechat. That seems to work the best.
Taxi card I realize now Thanks.
What do you think of this route for exploration.
April 1-15 Shanghai. Changsha - Chongqing. Chengdu.
April 15-30 Jinzhou. Shenyang - Changchun. Harbin - Dalian.
Is Shenzhen worth my time getting a bit rich? Beijing? I'm more a love tourist but do indulge now and again. Are they noticeably taller more beautiful in the north attitude tougher? How's weather in north late April spring jacket?
Overall looking for beauty and friendliness.
Taxi card I realize now Thanks.
What do you think of this route for exploration.
April 1-15 Shanghai. Changsha - Chongqing. Chengdu.
April 15-30 Jinzhou. Shenyang - Changchun. Harbin - Dalian.
Is Shenzhen worth my time getting a bit rich? Beijing? I'm more a love tourist but do indulge now and again. Are they noticeably taller more beautiful in the north attitude tougher? How's weather in north late April spring jacket?
Overall looking for beauty and friendliness.Can't really say much as I have not been to most of those cities. But in my travels in China it seems to me that the more beautiful women tend to gravitate to the bigger cities. I have had lovers from both Harbin and Dalian, but I met them in Beijing and Shanghai. None of the girls were really taller than the average Chinese woman but the two girls from Dalian were both very active lovers. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder and you will find that the Chinese standard of beauty does not match the western one. I have met some women who in China are considered very beautiful who I found to be not mt type.
Good luck and good hunting.
Thanks, I tend to agree in my experience travelling stick to the big cities, but China is different the second tier cities are big 5-10 mill that's a lot of meet to chew on.
Talking about women gravitating to the big cities Shenzhen is the mother of all that right the entire city comes from elsewhere I read how is it? It'll be out of my way if I go this trip trying to stay away from Hong Kong money zones.
I posted this here because it seems the forum for this formally fun city is completely DOA. I was thinking of taking a day / evening trip to ZH to play a little bit of golf and have some fun. I was wondering if any of the more well traveled gents on this forum might have a bit of insight into the current status to enjoyable experiences in ZH. I had planned to stay at the fairly new Marriott if that matters at all.
Best and TIA.
Sky.
I have a question for the long time China travelers that also have visited the Philippines.
All else being equal, if you were offered an all expenses paid trip to either country, which would you choose and why?
I ask because I see some smoking hot Chinese women in this forum's gallery. However, attitude and performance is also important. So, what is the verdict?
Thanks.Be careful with the classified ads, the smoking hot girl in the pictures is more likely to be a Japanese idol.
I rarely taxi I take public buses in developing countries sometimes you got to ask for help push for an answer but its worth it I find both in savings and meeting the locals.The bus from there is a nightmare. The vast majority of travelers do not speak Engish and they are all busy coughing, sneezing or hawking lugers. Take a taxi. Only way. (And, yes, I have done the bus.).
MadisonGuy
02-28-19, 00:53
Why isn't there a Macau section? That seems like a hot spot from what I'm seeing but can't find anything in the forum about it.
Why isn't there a Macau section? That seems like a hot spot from what I'm seeing but can't find anything in the forum about it.It is hidden under Asia and titled Macau.
I'll be traveling to a large city that has a forum but it is very inactive. Here's my question: Without knowing anything in advance, what types of hotels are most likely to have active in-house or semi-house providers (perhaps meaning no more than girls that freely work the lounge)? For example, my instinct is to find an non-international chain that has an in-house "spa" and bar or nightclub. Suggestions?
A related question is who in the hotel would it be safe / best to ask--bell hop, bartender?
Thanks.
BigMacDaddy
05-05-19, 22:06
Fellow Mongers,
I just discovered this site. I visited China last year and I didn't know anything. My USA based ATFs gave me some advice before I left. She even introduced one of friends in Beijing to service me when I was there. Other times, I just visited the spas in the hotels (4-5 star hotels) for some fun. The hotels were more expensive, but I didn't want to worry about LE, or crazy independents (although I did meetone massage girl from Craigslist at the time). To my surprise, I was provided extras by the girls that worked at in-house hotel spa. I was in China for 3 weeks (Beijing, Shanghai, HangZhou) and the hotel spa girls provided service. I even asked one of the turn down maids for a massage and that led to an incredible experience. I'm sure this has been already covered by now so I apologize for repeating the obvious. For any newbies going to China (or any country for the first time), be polite, be clean, and just ask for what you want.
The following was published in Australian newspapers today. Presumably the reference to Sunday is to today:
"Beijing: China's parliament has abolished an extra-judicial system of forced labour used to punish sex workers and their clients for up to two years, but it stressed that prostitution remains illegal.
China banned prostitution after the Communist revolution in 1949, but it returned with a vengeance after landmark economic reforms began in the late 1970's, despite periodic crackdowns.
The official Xinhua news agency said China's largely rubber-stamp legislature had voted on Saturday to scrap the "custody and education" system. It said the decision would be effective from Sunday, when all those currently held in detention under the system would be released.
State media said the instruction to do away with the system had come from the cabinet and parliament had recommended a review last year, noting that the programme was increasingly not being applied in practice.
It had come in for criticism not only for its extra-judicial nature, as China seeks to promote a more law-based society, but also because of abuses such as the supposed rehabilitation facilities being run as profit-making ventures.
Xinhua said that when the system was instigated two decades ago it had "played an important role in educating and rescuing those involved in prostitution and visiting prostitutes".
But as the country continues to deepen legal reforms and the criminal system, the "custody and education" programme was less and less appropriate, it added.
"The custody and education system's historical role had already been completed. This is an important manifestation of strengthening social management using rule of law thinking and methods," the news agency said.
Prostitution remains illegal, however, with punishments of up to 15 days in detention and fines of up to 5000 yuan ($1020), Xinhua said.
In 2013, China scrapped another controversial forced labour statute. The re-education through labour system.
That decision followed several high-profile miscarriages of justice, including a case where a woman was sent to a labour camp after demanding justice for her daughter who had been raped.
The re-education through labour system, which began in 1957, had empowered police to sentence petty criminals to up to four years in detention without going through the courts.
Reuters".
This does not appear to refer to pimps and others engaged in organising prostitution for which punishments can be severe
Teltel.
Midwestern
12-29-19, 04:20
At literally every "Chinese" hotel in China I've stayed at, FS was available from hotel spa. But rarely from Western hotels in China, such as Marriott. A Chinese hotel is any hotel with a Chinese name or not a Western chain.
However, the girls are usually 3's or 4's, and the prices are ridiculous.
Fellow Mongers,
I just discovered this site. I visited China last year and I didn't know anything. My USA based ATFs gave me some advice before I left. She even introduced one of friends in Beijing to service me when I was there. Other times, I just visited the spas in the hotels (4-5 star hotels) for some fun. The hotels were more expensive, but I didn't want to worry about LE, or crazy independents (although I did meetone massage girl from Craigslist at the time). To my surprise, I was provided extras by the girls that worked at in-house hotel spa. I was in China for 3 weeks (Beijing, Shanghai, HangZhou) and the hotel spa girls provided service. I even asked one of the turn down maids for a massage and that led to an incredible experience. I'm sure this has been already covered by now so I apologize for repeating the obvious. For any newbies going to China (or any country for the first time), be polite, be clean, and just ask for what you want..
I'll be traveling to a large city that has a forum but it is very inactive. Here's my question: Without knowing anything in advance, what types of hotels are most likely to have active in-house or semi-house providers (perhaps meaning no more than girls that freely work the lounge)? For example, my instinct is to find an non-international chain that has an in-house "spa" and bar or nightclub. Suggestions?
A related question is who in the hotel would it be safe / best to ask--bell hop, bartender?
Thanks.
https://supchina.com/2020/01/30/chinese-moms-in-americas-illicit-massage-parlors/?fbclid=IwAR3ya16eSlTjs3FQz93feXwJS3H0xCF1vStZF85nZUMCjpX5tKnOcus3EKw
Normally I would post the full text of an article like this, but removing the formatting will take too long. It's a good story, especially for China veterans who are hoping to recapture their glory days in Beijing / Dongguan / Shanghai at an American AMP.
Key quote: "None of the women I spoke to said they had been forced into sex work."
Midwestern
02-06-20, 02:39
https://supchina.com/2020/01/30/chinese-moms-in-americas-illicit-massage-parlors/?fbclid=IwAR3ya16eSlTjs3FQz93feXwJS3H0xCF1vStZF85nZUMCjpX5tKnOcus3EKw
Normally I would post the full text of an article like this, but removing the formatting will take too long. It's a good story, especially for China veterans who are hoping to recapture their glory days in Beijing / Dongguan / Shanghai at an American AMP.
Key quote: "None of the women I spoke to said they had been forced into sex work."Great article. Thanks for posting it. I've been to AMPS all over the states, and I'm pretty sure none of those girls were trafficked. Some had drivers licenses. I was good friends with one of the managers. She said her girls make over 1 k USD per day, on average, just in tips. That's tax free money. So these girls make way more money than most of us. I also know a girl in China that went overseas to work in an AMP, and a few years later she came back to China and bought a home and never had to worry about money too much ever again. So I admire these gals. It's not a good way to make a living, but they sacrifice themselves for their families oftentimes.
This is a long and heavy-duty read, but it has implications for anyone interested in continued mongering in China.
https://ishamcook.com/2020/05/16/sexual-repression-in-the-post-covid-19-era/
Sexual repression in the post-Covid-19 era.
BY ISHAM COOK ON MAY 16,2020.
If there is such a thing as a politico-sexual Rubicon beyond which there is no turning back, it's going to be when the state removes your right to privacy in the last redoubt: public restrooms, changing rooms, hotel rooms, and your own home places where nakedness occurs and surveillance cameras are normally out of reach. Up until the Covid outbreak, no state had ever dared breach this line. It existed only in the realm of fiction, most famously the 24-hour two-way "telescreen" (video surveillance camera) installed inside every home in George Orwell's novel 1984. Because the idea is so horrible, even tyrannical regimes and dictatorships are loathe to cross this line. To maintain their legitimacy they rely on a base of popular support, and this risks being eroded altogether in the face of so drastic a measure, the implementing of which forecloses any plausible justification. That's why Orwell's classic dystopia is generally regarded as too exaggerated (as satire is designed to be) to ever come to pass in reality.
Recently, a CNN news report revealed police in China's Jiangsu Province to be engaging in this very act, installing surveillance cameras in people's homes. They weren't white-collar criminals or dissidents under house arrest, but coronavirus-free workers returning to the city of Changzhou after months of lockdown in their hometowns. In-home cameras were necessary to effectively monitor their two-week stay-at-home orders, the police argued, because placing them outside people's front door (as some apartment complexes in Chinese cities have been doing) subjected them to vandalism ("China is installing surveillance cameras outside people's front doors and sometimes inside their homes," CNN, April 28,2020).
Local authorities have long reached their tentacles into Chinese people's private lives to an extent scarcely tolerated in the rest of the world. This has been due to a traditional absence of privacy rights in China, particularly since 1949. Few Chinese have ever experienced "privacy" as Westerners understand it. Most have only known narrow living quarters crammed with extended families, members of multiple generations occupying the same bedroom and even the same bed, packed student and worker dormitories, and other sardine-tin communal arrangements. In recent decades nuclear families have achieved greater privacy as housing capacity has expanded, but people are otherwise accustomed to routine intrusions into their personal lives by nosy neighbors, neighborhood committees, the police, etc. Yet though the Chinese may have a relatively higher tolerance level for privacy invasion, in-home video surveillance is clearly overreach, to put it mildly. One resident interviewed in the CNN report was "furious. " The police had positioned the camera across his apartment toward his front door so that he was in its view while in his living room. It "had a huge impact on me psychologically," he said. "I tried not to make phone calls, fearing the camera would record my conversations by any chance. I couldn't stop worrying even when I went to sleep, after I closed the bedroom door. ".
The Changzhou police were somewhat defensive and apologetic, promising the cameras would be removed as soon as the self-quarantine period was over. And it was only tried out in one Chinese city. But the trend is clear. If the technology is available, it will be used, and redundancy seems to be of little concern, even if there are more cost-effective (though less profitable) ways of ensuring people obey strict stay-at-home orders. China is inventive at this too. Arriving foreigners undergoing their fourteen-day isolation in Chinese hotels this February and March, for example, had a fresh piece of paper pasted over their door after each delivery of food, which would tear apart if they attempted to leave their room. In other countries, parolees and people under house arrest are less intrusively monitored with GPS ankle bracelets; the companies renting out these tracking devices do big business in the USA Video surveillance is, however, ready and waiting to be deployed in increasing contexts everywhere, in every country. China appears to have taken the lead. In a related and no less disturbing development, jaywalkers in Chinese cities are seeing themselves, along with their name and other identifying information, displayed in real time on giant LED screens at busy intersections thanks to face-recognition technology and automatically fined.
You don't need to be an expert on surveillance technology to see what's happening. States are employing the latest tools at their disposal for compiling and combining databases of their population. From these an elaborate profile of any citizen can be instantly called up on a computer screen. In the USA, the information used to identify you is your social security number, driver's license or state ID, and your credit, tax, employment and medical histories. In addition to this is a wealth of information provided to innumerable databases fleshing out your profile in far richer detail than the FBI and NSA ever had the capability of: your personal interests voluntarily shared on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, WhatsApp and other social media, along with any morally dubious behavior in which you and your online contacts engage and assume no one outside of your circle could possibly be interested. Speaking of cellphones (and your entire conversation and text-messaging history), the GPS technology built in them can now pinpoint your real-time location with near perfect accuracy. In relatively democratic societies like the USA, all these databases are not (yet) entirely centralized but scattered and incomplete, but they are bought and sold by private actors who may know more about you than the government. We mustn't forget that our computer cameras and smart TVs also serve as 1984-style telescreens allowing hackers to watch us, a topic worthy of its own treatment, but for my purposes here it's assumed the state itself is not (yet) implicated in this means of surveillance.
China has all the above data about its citizens as well, but the information is far more centralized and orderly, with the national ID number (passport in the case of foreign residents and tourists) being the key indicator used to seamlessly call up individuals' identity. But even there information compilation is still an imperfect science. This is one of the more interesting observations which Covid has brought to light over the past few months. Since the outbreak began, Chinese citizens and foreign residents must employ various authorizations to get around in daily life. Your apartment complex provides you with a pass card to present at manned gates upon returning home every day, where your temperature is taken; if guests are allowed, they must register and prove they have been in the city for at least fourteen days. In recent weeks as the outbreak is increasingly close to being stamped out across the country, restrictions are cautiously being relaxed, but there are still many shopping malls and plazas, stores and restaurants requiring you to scan one of a number of QR codes linked to your identification through downloaded apps, confirming on the spot that you've passed the two-week requirement. You're then allowed to enter the establishment.
It may seem like clumsy overkill to have to prove your health status multiples times a day. Local governments seem to be competing to create the greatest daily hassle for everyone simply to demonstrate to the central authorities that they and they alone have the coronavirus under complete control. If people are calmly putting up with it, they recognize the importance of tracking down and screening out carriers of the virus. The larger issue is that the technology is still in its infancy. A few years down the road and it will all be much more powerful, effortless and invisible. When facial recognition reaches the apex of total accuracy, our exact whereabouts will be known twenty-four hours a day. There will be no need to screen us individually when moving about since we will all be tracked everywhere in real time by an omniscient central database. As noted, the capability of doing this is already more or less in place and is happening now, as exemplified by the instant shaming of jaywalkers at busy intersections. Why then can't they apply the same to identity authorization when entering shopping malls so that people don't have to fiddle with their devices? The answer is that face recognition is still short of 100% accuracy. It doesn't capture everyone at intersections but pulls out the few who have been identified with any certainty. It's just a matter of time before total accuracy will be achieved and applied everywhere, in all contexts. Let's consider where all this is heading, and why China is the dour model of the future.
The Communists mastered surveillance long before video technology. This surveillance has always been, at its core, sex surveillance. During the Cultural Revolution, many families were split apart and forced to stay in sex-segregated dormitories. I have lived and traveled around China since the 1990's, and have been able to observe how hotels act as sexual gatekeepers and morality enforcers of the state. In the 1990's growing spending power allowed ordinary people greater mobility, and the private hotel industry developed in tandem with the domestic tourist industry. Only married couples were permitted to room together in hotels and had to present their marriage certificate upon checking in, a policy that remained in place until 2003. Oddly, the unmarried were allowed to room together in bathhouses, which had 24-hour private rooms (often with unlockable doors but police checks and busts were rare) and no registration requirement. This was freer even than in the USA, where hotels require some identifying information such as your car's license plate. The bathhouse industry flourished in the 1990's and they were the go-to places for illicit (extramarital) sex, until the authorities put an end to it around the time of the 2008 Olympics. All bathhouses thenceforth began to require identification upon entrance, though by that time unmarried couples could freely room together in both bathhouses and hotels as long as they registered with their IDs at reception.
The 2003 milestone securing for the Chinese the private space to cohabit with the opposite sex outside of marriage has in the past few years begun to wobble due to the little Big Brother in everyone's mobile phone. It's not just GPS that's to blame but GPS combined with the powerful WeChat app (like Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram and every other software you can think of rolled into one), which along with Alipay is also used for buying things. China has been cashless for a good four years now. Cash is still allowed, mainly to accommodate the tech-challenged elderly, but everyone else uses their cellphone for every monetary transaction from buying a car to booking a hotel room, to paying a prostitute or the migrant manning your favorite street-side snack stand. The trade-off is that this enormous convenience comes at the expense of the state's knowledge of your every movement.
In that sweet decade of opportunity between 2003 and 2013 or so, before WeChat became so powerful and ubiquitous, committing adultery with someone at a hotel was still largely an anonymous act. The government could easily pay the hotel a visit and find you out if they had reason to, but mostly you could carry out trysts in reasonable confidence no one would ever know (to really be on the safe side, you could book the hotel yourself and sneak your partner up to your room). In the years since, your phone calls or WeChat messages recording your conversations to arrange the tryst, GPS tracking your respective locations in the same hotel, the record of your WeChat payment used to book the room, and your respective ID numbers presented at reception, all converge to overdetermine the fact of your liaison with a person of the opposite sex. This fact is potentially available to the police, and the knowledge it's available have given many pause before using a hotel to embark on an affair, or adultery as the case may be, at least people with reputations to lose (to those who would advise against cheating if you're already involved in a committed relationship, let's save the American-style moralizing for later).
Fortunately, unless you're a well-placed Party member or belong to the business or entertainment elite, nothing is liable to happen. There are far too many people having sex for the authorities to bother about. The sharing of politically sensitive material can result in your WeChat account being shut down without warning or recourse, but explicit sexting in personal messages has remained free from interference (forwarding of someone's nude images without their permission is another matter and can get you thrown in jail). The Chinese Government today is actually quite lenient, surprisingly lenient, about people's sex lives. It's simply no longer a priority, and light years away from the grim circumstances that obtained up through the 1970's, when people could be shot or imprisoned for extramarital sex, while university students could be expelled for sex as late as the 1990's.
What's changed under Covid is an intensification of the present mechanisms so that we are now under a much more active and comprehensive surveillance regime. To consider hotels again, you are only allowed to book once you've electronically established your health credentials (likewise the person you're staying with) and no one gets past the reception desk without doing this. Bribery has long been a last resort in China; no longer, at least as regards coronavirus authorizations. Who knows what kind of algorithms the health and local authorities are presently using to scrutinize hotel guest lists for anomalies. They are interested not in adulterous affairs but in people infected with the virus and all those they had contact with. If someone in the same hotel is discovered to be Covid positive, you and your partner will certainly be approached during your stay or thereafter, and there will necessarily be awkward questions about your motives in being together. In a more unlikely case, your hotel could suddenly go under lockdown before you had a chance to escape, and all existing guests including both of you would be stuck there for at least two weeks. If you feel it's no longer worth the hassle going through with a hotel tryst, you're not any safer sneaking your lover into your apartment while your live-in is out. He or she will have to register for the visit upon arrival at your complex's gate (where you are both captured on video), your cellphones' GPS tracks you right into your home, and your respective marital status will also of course be indicated in the database.
Few Chinese, in fact, carry out trysts in their home. It's a cultural phenomenon going way back to when homes were mere hovels and living spaces were too small, shabby and crowded to accommodate guests. Since the functional 1990's when home theιcor consisted of white walls, bare concrete floors and fluorescent lighting, interior design has grown by leaps and bounds and most people nowadays put some effort into making their domicile more comfortable and colorful. Still, house parties and even small dinner parties remain a novel concept, as perplexed foreigners discover when they're rarely invited to people's homes. People know how to party all right in restaurants. Chinese restaurant culture is vast and awe-inspiring. Many restaurants of the fancier variety are huge, multistoried affairs, with plentiful private rooms of different sizes for hosting couples to large groups. In the West, we go to a nice restaurant, even the most intimate of establishments, for the social atmosphere. In China, people go to restaurants for the privacy they offer. Some restaurants are joined to karaoke spaces and saunas; there are luxury bathhouses with their own first-class restaurants. All manner of hostesses, masseuses, and sex workers can be arranged, if you know the workings of indoor Chinese nightlife.
I should note that at this point in mid-May 2020, restaurant culture across Mainland China has already fully returned to its pre-Covid state of business and vibrancy. One place you might assume would still not be allowed to operate, given the close physical contact involved, is the massage parlor. Probably no country has more per-capita massage workers than China. Massage venues, both the therapeutic and erotic varieties, have been fully operative for a good two months now (though face masks are required by both masseuse and customer). We are confronted with the paradox, then, that in this most intrusive of surveillance states, the opportunities for intimate and sexual contact thrive even in the post-Covid era.
Post-Covid-19 USA.
Unlike China where the coronavirus curve was crushed months ago and life is already more or less back to normal, the USA Is scarcely able to even envision the post-Covid era. There may be no post-Covid era, only perpetual outbreaks and a new permanent normal of social-distancing. Short of real catastrophe (war, famine, etc.), few things are as dreadful as a total, Wuhan-style lockdown, in which no one is allowed out of their house and no one is allowed in. Wuhan's two-month lockdown was brutal but it did have a clear beginning and end crashing down on people before they knew what was in store for them and eventually easing in carefully orchestrated phases. There were adequate food supplies and deliveries and, as soon as the chaotic hospital situation stabilized, prompt medical care fully covered by the government. With Wuhan and Hubei Province sealed off and the virus contained, most Chinese cities were able to avoid home lockdowns altogether, though most businesses were closed. Even partial lockdowns, allowing people out to shop for basics and perhaps walk their dog, are stressful enough, especially when they drag on for months with no end in sight. The Chinese put up with it because they're used to being ordered around by the government. Americans, unaccustomed to having their lives interfered with, have never encountered the like. It has been an awful experience for many, with growing unrest, e. G. , heavily armed protestors congregating on the Michigan capitol and threatening to assassinate the governor.
The nasty conundrum forced on us by the Covid pandemic is that the only way to effectively combat it is not medicine but surveillance. Only surveillance provides the knowledge of who is infected, where they are located, and who they have been in contact with. This knowledge diminishes the medical burden, while its absence escalates the medical burden, since testing and contact tracing will be scattershot and impotent. There has been much controversy in books and the media well before Covid over electronic surveillance and the resulting erosion of freedoms in democratic states. The hard truth is that electronic surveillance is the only weapon at our disposal for fighting disease outbreaks. China is not the only country to employ sophisticated tracking of its citizens. In the wake of Covid, most countries are ratcheting up their surveillance capabilities. We are also seeing hints of another dystopian-sci fi Rubicon we hope won't be crossed, the involuntary implanting in people of microchips ("Benjamin Netanyahu suggests microchipping kids, slammed by experts," Jerusalem Post, May 8, 2020).
South Korea, held up as a model of national medical response, is revealing problems of overreach, when the state of the art collides with traditional prejudices, namely against homosexuality. In a recent virus outbreak at a gay nightclub, hundreds who might have been exposed are reluctant to get tested for fear the medical authorities will inform their workplace and they'll be fired. In other words, further success in containing the virus hinges on how willingly this putative democracy's leadership can let go of its dearly held homophobia ("South Korea struggles to contain new outbreak amid anti-gay backlash," The Guardian, May 11,2020). Singapore has similar issues with its discriminatory treatment of its million-plus migrant workers from India and Bangladesh ("Tens of thousands of Singapore's migrant workers are infected. The rest are stuck in their dorms as the country opens up," CNN, May 14,2020). On the other hand, sex-positive social attitudes can be turned to advantage and people whose job involves extensive networking martialed to assist the medical authorities, as sex workers in Zambia are doing ("Coronavirus: Zambia sex workers praised for contact tracing," BBC, May 10,2020), but this takes a rare degree of imagination.
And then there is the dreadful situation in the USA (see my "Covid-19 and the disease of American exceptionalism" It's easy for nations that are successfully containing the virus through effective testing, contact tracing, and lockdown measures to lecture the US on what it's doing wrong. But the American political system was no more structured to handle the Covid pandemic than it was the 1918 Spanish Flu. Four months into the present catastrophe, there are no signs that significant changes, any changes, are in the works to prepare for the next pandemic. Apart from posturing Democratic presidential candidates no longer in the running, there has been zero talk of reforming US health care to implement even bare-bones national health coverage, beyond the miniscule gains under the Obama Administration, which could bring the country into the club of civilized nations. The government can't even administer the paltry $1,200 stimulus checks properly, sending them to people who don't qualify and outrageously denying them to those married to non-USA Citizens; or feed the hungry ("As hunger spreads with pandemic, government takes timid steps," New York Times, May 13,2020). Though the Trump Administration's incompetence has been breathtaking, and we're eagerly waiting for the nightmare of his presidency to end, its confused gesturing is symptomatic of a profounder problem: the inability of a cruel Victorian-style capitalist regime run by cynical and blindered plutocrats entrenched in old-school imperialist ideology to deal with something beyond its comprehension a pandemic.
The USA Is bifurcating in two directions as it adapts to Covid, roughly corresponding to the political "red" (Republican) and "blue" (Democratic) states, but with a few key differences. Covid Reds oppose lockdowns but are not necessarily Trump supporters and count liberals and Democrats in their ranks who are not only chafing under lockdown but losing their livelihoods. Covid Blues support lockdowns but include many conservatives who understand the need for them. More than political differences, the overriding factor determining people's attitudes is how much they're suffering financially. You are more likely to support a lockdown if you can afford to you still have your job and can work from home. We cannot simply blame people for defying medical reality. If you find the present sight of bars and restaurants packed with patrons disturbing or pathetic, they might beg to differ. They're not just out for a good time but are trying to preserve the only reality they have ever known before it collapses around them. This means continuing to support local businesses they have been supporting their entire lives and which may be only days away from going out of business. The patronizing of local business during this most trying of times could even be regarded as a well-meaning though misguided expression of Americans' customary generosity in stepping in to help the community during disasters.
The crowds of mostly young Americans blithely swarming bars and beaches despite stark warnings are causing much consternation and outrage. But their nose-thumbing acts of freedom are conveying something of symbolic importance. They are a logical, appropriately sarcastic, middle-finger response by the hapless subjects of a failed state. Why try to protect themselves from the virus when the government is doing everything in its power to allow it to spread? Why should they have to take on the burden of protecting the country when everyone's going to catch it anyway? These people aren't the complete idiots they're being made out to be. They recognize what's happening is a very bad flu season well, ten times as bad and despite their youth and health some of them will die. But their chances of surviving an infection are pretty good. They are simply carrying on as everyone will have to once the virus completes its trajectory through the rest of the population, and they'll be the first to gain immunity.
We are hearing news of the devastating effects on mental health from stress and loneliness under lockdown, compounded by inadequate and unaffordable psychological services provided by the failed state ("Coronavirus pandemic prompts global mental health crisis as millions feel alone, anxious and depressed," Democracy Now! May 14,2020; the article is about the situation in the USA, not the globe). Far down on the list of priorities is sexual loneliness (not once mentioned in the article). Being intimately bound up with loneliness, sexual loneliness is perhaps something many Americans young and old alike are in fact preoccupied with. You won't find much in the way of advice, except of course to avoid sex altogether. What the conscientious, the Covid Blues, would say is this: the act of lovemaking turns you into a highly efficient disease vector (if not quite as bad as the act of singing, I should add: "Health authorities explain how choir practice caused the 'superspread' of 52 coronavirus cases in US town," ABC, May 13,2020). During AIDS this problem was solved with safe sex and condoms, but there is no safe sex under Covid. Socializing cannot be undertaken without aiding the enemy. Covid is changing America and you are never going to be able to party again. The only real way to contain the virus just happens to dovetail with guess what? good old "family values": abstinence for teens and strict monogamy for adults. The new sexual normal means adapting to virtual relationships. Better get used to it.
And dating? Nothing could be more selfish, the Covid Blues would add, than the business of meeting people for the purpose of something as dangerous as sex. But there's a problem with dating, even leaving sex out of the equation. It introduces a new person, possibly an asymptomatic superspreader, into your circle. If you cannot prove you had a more legitimate reason for meeting this person, it can be assumed your intent was sexual, and therefore gratuitous and reckless, as a result of which either one of you may have singlehandedly just started a new local outbreak. Simply going out and infecting, or being infected by, a person with the intent of potentially sleeping with them will make you guilty of intentionally aiding the pandemic.
Consider the sobering possibility that Covid could be declared a sexually transmitted disease. This is yet to be established by the medical community, but it's coming ("A small study detects coronavirus in semenbut can you get it from sex? Health, May 8, 2020). If a person you slept with dies of Covid after informing those tracing her contacts that the only person she had close contact with was you, and if the virus was found in your semen, you could be in serious trouble. There are laws against knowingly transmitting an STD. From a legal perspective, the possibility you intentionally sexually transmitted Covid to your partner will be considered. You will not be able to fall back on the excuse you were asymptomatic. Ignorance is not a defense. You could have gotten yourself tested beforehand but didn't. You had no right to be out meeting and potentially infecting new people in the first place. Convicted coronavirus spreaders could even be ruled sex offenders (as deliberate HIV-spreaders are). If you think Covid has ruined your life, see my "American fascism: The sexual rage of the state" for a look at how life is ruined for registered sex offenders in the USA, including those guilty of the most minor of offenses. There is presently no more sexually punitive country than the United States. From internet trolls to mainstream journalists, from politicians on the left and on the right, the voices of morality are constantly on the lookout for new definitions of sexual misconduct, and if they can find it in Covid-19, they will.
In China, the state assumes the burden of worrying about who's infecting whom. It tells everyone to wear a face mask, and they obey. It tells everyone it's okay to remove their mask, and they remove them. If restaurants and hotels are allowed to reopen, people flock to them. If the virus is still lingering and some end up getting infected, they'll shut the establishment down again, but no one's to blame and no one's conscience is bothered. In the USA, by contrast, individuals are duty-bound not to cause others harm, even from something as impossible to control as the coronavirus. You must take responsibility and will be held responsible for your actions. Of all the reasons for accidentally infecting someone, sex is the very worst, and there will be no forgiveness.
If you were to ask the younger generation of Covid Reds what they feel about the new sexual normal and how they are adapting to a foreseeable future without sex (since the medical consensus is that the virus may be with us for good), they would, again quite logically, assert that they aren't planning on curtailing their freedom one iota. On the contrary, the danger of catching the virus from sex might make fucking intensely exciting. I understand them. Defiance naturally follows from an absence of moral exemplars. If we were living in a country that had been prepared for a pandemic and instituted immediate measures before the virus had a chance to spread (Vietnam, Taiwan and New Zealand are a few shining examples), the hardships of living under lockdown would have a whole new meaning, one infused with national purpose. At the opposite extreme, the horrendous performance of the USA Government inspires nothing. Americans have nothing to fall back on in turn but themselves, their friends and their families. They are finding their own dignity under Covid on their own terms, whether this be at home or at the beach.
ExpatLover
05-22-20, 19:25
Difficult to compare China and the US, China is a very safe country with a lot of freedom despite what many people think about. I am a European guy, living in China for many years and like this country, the diversity, the mind set of the people and I always feel safe contrary to what I am feeling in some areas in Detroit, NY, LA, Miami. For me safety is essential to feel good in a place and this point is extremely challenged in the US but also in many big European cities.
Recent article in Chinese media:
"A man in Nanchang, East China's Jiangxi Province was detained for the crime of breaking military marriage as he had an affair with the wife of a service man.
The suspect, surnamed Zhou, developed the relationship and lived with Wang Jie (pseudonym), the wife of a military officer Chen Qiang (pseudonym), who is serving in the army in another place, according a statement published by the people's procuratorate of Donghu district, Nanchang on Monday.
Chen and Wang married in July 2019. Even though Zhou knew Chen was a serviceman, he still had an affair with Wang, said the statement.
The case is still under investigation currently.
According to the Article 259 of China's Criminal Law, those who live together with or marry someone whom they know is the spouse of an active duty service member are to be sentenced to three years or fewer in prison or put under criminal detention.
Those who use their authority or subordinate relationship to seduce the wives of active duty servicemen for illicit sexual relations by resorting to coercion are to be convicted and punished."
Teltel
If only the whole business were still this simple.
WeKilledKenny
05-08-21, 18:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_dtRmfhyh8
Wondering if anybody knew where is this place in China?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_dtRmfhyh8
Wondering if anybody knew where is this place in China?The Chinese writing says chengzhong village, start your search there.
I have been talking to a lot of Chinese girls online. They keep trying to get me to sign up on a currency exchange zbgpros. Cm / h5 anybody know anything about this?
I have been talking to a lot of Chinese girls online. They keep trying to get me to sign up on a currency exchange zbgpros. Cm / h5 anybody know anything about this?It's a Chinese crypto currency exchange currently registered in Samoa.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/currency-and-control-why-china-wants-to-undermine-bitcoin
The above link will take you to a story about the lack of love for crypto currency by the Chinese government. I would avoid this site. It's just a matter of time before this site gets shutdown.
One wonders how he was caught, or if it was a sting, why they sought to set up someone with such a high profile.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202110/1236980.shtml
Chinese pianist Li Yundi was allegedly detained by Beijing police for soliciting a prostitute, media reported Thursday night.
Chaoyang police wrote on China's Twitter-like platform Sina Weibo on Thursday that they had recently received reports that someone was engaged in prostitution in a Chaoyang residential area. After investigation, a 29-year-old woman surnamed Chen and a 39-year-old man, surnamed Li, was caught by the police. The two had admitted to the illegal behavior and Chaoyang police placed them under administrative detention in accordance with law.
Many media and netizens believe that the suspect is Li Yundi, who was the youngest pianist, at 18, to win the XIV International Chopin Piano Competition in 2000, and served as a judge for the competition in 2015.
A Weibo post written by the Beijing police on Thursday night also gave the hint as the post came with a picture of a piano keyboard, with the caption, "This world is indeed more than black and white, but black and white must be distinguished apart. Make no mistake. ".
The post, which was later reposted by Chaoyang district police, is what made netizens believe that the male detainee is Li.
On Sina Weibo, the hashtag, "Li Yundi detained for soliciting prostitute," soared to the top of the hottest search ranking in a few minutes.
Li has performed at the Spring Festival Gala, the largest annual gala in China, five times, according to media reports.
Known for a positive public image, he has been awarded the titles of "China's Top Ten Youth Leaders" and "National May Fourth Youth Ambassador. ".
Many netizens expressed their disappointment that Li, a star who has always appeared pure and innocent, was exposed to have allegedly committed something illegal. Some netizens also praised the Beijing police's law enforcement.
In August, Chinese-Canadian pop idol Kris Wu Yifan was arrested on suspicion of rape, also by Chaoyang district police.
"Now the Spring Festival Gala in Chaoyang detention center must be merrier than ever, with not only a singing performance but also piano accompaniment," a netizen wrote sarcastically on Sina Weibo.
Observers pointed out that if Li Yundi's illegal behavior is confirmed, it will be almost impossible for him to continue his career in China, as the country vows zero tolerance for tainted entertainers.
On September 13,14 major internet platforms have pledged to tackle irrational online posts as well as the issue of tainted entertainers. The platforms. Including Sina Weibo, Tencent Video, QQ music, Douyin and Toutiao. Made the pledge as members of the Chinese Association of Performing Arts (CAPA), which has called for boycotts against individuals with records of illegal or immoral behaviors. The platforms promised not to work with scandal-hit entertainers and will instead focus on artists with excellent moral integrity.
As of Thursday midnight, the airing variety show which has been popular with Li Yundi as a contestant, Call Me by Fire, has delisted the first eight episodes on the streaming platform following Li's detention by police, the Global Times has found.
Global Times.
Midwestern
10-22-21, 05:57
This has to be sting. If you are on the government's shit list, then they will keep a close eye on you until you mess up. A few years ago, a similar thing happened. Some guy was outspoken against the government. Then one day, he was arrested with a prostitute.
One wonders how he was caught, or if it was a sting, why they sought to set up someone with such a high profile.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202110/1236980.shtml
Chinese pianist Li Yundi was allegedly detained by Beijing police for soliciting a prostitute, media reported Thursday night.
Chaoyang police wrote on China's Twitter-like platform Sina Weibo on Thursday that they had recently received reports that someone was engaged in prostitution in a Chaoyang residential area. After investigation, a 29-year-old woman surnamed Chen and a 39-year-old man, surnamed Li, was caught by the police. The two had admitted to the illegal behavior and Chaoyang police placed them under administrative detention in accordance with law.
Many media and netizens believe that the suspect is Li Yundi, who was the youngest pianist, at 18, to win the XIV International Chopin Piano Competition in 2000, and served as a judge for the competition in 2015.
A Weibo post written by the Beijing police on Thursday night also gave the hint as the post came with a picture of a piano keyboard, with the caption, "This world is indeed more than black and white, but black and white must be distinguished apart. Make no mistake. ".
The post, which was later reposted by Chaoyang district police, is what made netizens believe that the male detainee is Li.
On Sina Weibo, the hashtag, "Li Yundi detained for soliciting prostitute," soared to the top of the hottest search ranking in a few minutes.
Li has performed at the Spring Festival Gala, the largest annual gala in China, five times, according to media reports.
Known for a positive public image, he has been awarded the titles of "China's Top Ten Youth Leaders" and "National May Fourth Youth Ambassador. ".
Many netizens expressed their disappointment that Li, a star who has always appeared pure and innocent, was exposed to have allegedly committed something illegal. Some netizens also praised the Beijing police's law enforcement.
In August, Chinese-Canadian pop idol Kris Wu Yifan was arrested on suspicion of rape, also by Chaoyang district police.
"Now the Spring Festival Gala in Chaoyang detention center must be merrier than ever, with not only a singing performance but also piano accompaniment," a netizen wrote sarcastically on Sina Weibo.
Observers pointed out that if Li Yundi's illegal behavior is confirmed, it will be almost impossible for him to continue his career in China, as the country vows zero tolerance for tainted entertainers.
On September 13,14 major internet platforms have pledged to tackle irrational online posts as well as the issue of tainted entertainers. The platforms. Including Sina Weibo, Tencent Video, QQ music, Douyin and Toutiao. Made the pledge as members of the Chinese Association of Performing Arts (CAPA), which has called for boycotts against individuals with records of illegal or immoral behaviors. The platforms promised not to work with scandal-hit entertainers and will instead focus on artists with excellent moral integrity.
As of Thursday midnight, the airing variety show which has been popular with Li Yundi as a contestant, Call Me by Fire, has delisted the first eight episodes on the streaming platform following Li's detention by police, the Global Times has found.
Global Times..
https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/social-welfare/article/3153769/explainer-who-are-chinas-chaoyang-public-who
Who are China's 'Chaoyang public', exposing celebrities for drug use, patronising prostitutes and other crimes?
The key paragraph in this story is "In the notice, the police wrote that they received 'a tip-off from the public that some people were resorting to prostitution in a Chaoyang residential compound' and had investigated, leading to Li's detention. ".
If you're sneaking off to your favorite residential knocking shop, realize the risk now is significant.
Beijing4987
03-09-23, 20:08
Has anyone received a 10 year business visa recently?
ScrewMachine
04-02-23, 05:30
Has anyone received a 10 year business visa recently?Yes got mine and 2 days later they reactivated the old visas too.
Just found out my 10 year Business visa I got in 2015 is now valid again. Hopefully things improve enough to make a trip worthwhile soon.
Just found out my 10 year Business visa I got in 2015 is now valid again. Hopefully things improve enough to make a trip worthwhile soon.I just booked my tickets. I forgot I had a 10 year Visa from 2016 and I had been filling out all the new documents! Today, I found my old passport and Visa good until 2026!
Beijing4987
11-24-23, 02:25
No the guardians of freedom have put up another brick wall for foreign visitors. SIM cards not used every 90 days will be blocked until you go to the mobile store and present identification. The amount of money remaining on the account is irrelevant. Any ideas to get around this?
Member #1492
01-19-24, 06:07
Now that travel restrictions have lifted, have the markets come back for finding services?
I haven't seen and much in the way of how to play safely in China and the $.
I have a trip coming up in June to Xuzhou, Jiangsu and looking for any comments on the attractions.
Captain Solo
02-08-24, 18:44
A report by Serpentza. Look at all these girls wanting business:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMROoi8wigs
Zach Hammond
02-22-24, 00:46
A report by Serpentza. Look at all these girls wanting business:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMROoi8wigsSupply of this "business" seems to be greatly exceeding demand! An economist would predict that prices should therefore be falling. Are they? Should Cheap Charlies take note?
I have added a link to a story below about a Volkswagen executive who was detained and then deported from China after testing positive for drugs after a vacation in Thailand. You have no rights in China and can be detained and tested at anytime. If you test positive for dugs you will be jailed and then deported and not allowed to return. It does not matter that where you consumed the drugs they were legal.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3283439/german-volkswagen-executive-jochen-sengpiehl-expelled-china-over-positive-drug-test
German Man
12-16-24, 16:00
Dear fellows,
Quick question:
Can I buy vitamin V or similar helpers in China without a prescription, and if so, can I just walk into any pharmacy?
There are some posts about this but they seem to be older, so maybe the situation has changed?
Midwestern
12-17-24, 12:49
Dear fellows,
Quick question:
Can I buy vitamin V or similar helpers in China without a prescription, and if so, can I just walk into any pharmacy?
There are some posts about this but they seem to be older, so maybe the situation has changed?It's now hit or miss. I think the pandemic led to everyone having to register their IDs with some national pharmacy network. So if you're a foreigner then you might not be able to just walk in and buy it. But pharmacies need money like all businesses in this crappy economy and so if you can pay in cash many of them will sell V to you. At some places, the cashier paid for it using her Alipay and then I reimbursed the cashier with cash. Maybe avoid the chain pharmacies because they seem to play by the rules. They've outright told me to leave and one guy yelled at me furiously. And so, if you can find a place that will sell it to you, then I'the buy everything they've got. But I'm pretty sure you still don't a prescription. That was never the case and I highly doubt that has changed. It's stupid that a prescription is required for V in other countries like the USA.
Explorer8939
12-18-24, 00:39
Now that travel restrictions have lifted, have the markets come back for finding services?
I haven't seen and much in the way of how to play safely in China and the $.
I have a trip coming up in June to Xuzhou, Jiangsu and looking for any comments on the attractions.It's dead, Jim.
There has been a crackdown since 2014. The China scene was dead long before Covid.
Has anyone received a 10 year business visa recently?Yes, I got a 10 year visa (J?) in 2023. This year the gave my wife a 10 yr visa based on mine. Both were free.
Hi Guys,
I spend a lot of time on business in The Philippines but have a few trips lined up for Shenzhen next year.
There doesn't seem to be much action on the ISG China forum and a lot of older posts.
So I was just wondering if anyone has any recommendations as I've only visited Hong Kong years ago and wasn't on the hunt back then.
Much appreciated in advance _ Phil.
Jeez it is quiet on here.
I know China may be very conservative when it comes to options, they do have a population of 1. 4 billion at last count.
So at least a few of them might be looking to 'put-out' for the benefit of foreigners.
Never-the-less, I'll keep on checking in and if I make it there as intended this year on business, offer some feedback _ Phil.
German Man
01-09-25, 14:48
It's now hit or miss. I think the pandemic led to everyone having to register their IDs with some national pharmacy network. So if you're a foreigner then you might not be able to just walk in and buy it. But pharmacies need money like all businesses in this crappy economy and so if you can pay in cash many of them will sell V to you.
But I'm pretty sure you still don't a prescription. That was never the case and I highly doubt that has changed. It's stupid that a prescription is required for V in other countries like the USA.Thank you for the information! I'm in China now in a third-tier city in Jiangsu. I went to a pharmacy, asked for Viagra (20255;21733; - Wěigē and got it, paid with Alipay, no questions asked, no prescription needed. The packaging looked genuine, I'll let my GF test its effectiveness. One pill 128 RMB, by the way.
Hello Everyone,
Does someone know a place where I can buy baggage?
Thank you,
Hello Everyone,
Does someone know a place where I can buy baggage?
Thank you,That seems to be a very random question on a sex forum Fleaker, but I might be missing something _ Phil.
That's a stupid law especially reconsidering they're shipping hella drugs around the world in particular to Africa and the Americas with the Chinese government permission! They can virtually do whatever they want without getting their feet's held to the fire.
I have added a link to a story below about a Volkswagen executive who was detained and then deported from China after testing positive for drugs after a vacation in Thailand. You have no rights in China and can be detained and tested at anytime. If you test positive for dugs you will be jailed and then deported and not allowed to return. It does not matter that where you consumed the drugs they were legal.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3283439/german-volkswagen-executive-jochen-sengpiehl-expelled-china-over-positive-drug-test
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