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Dongguan as referred to here mostly refers to Chang Ping, which is an easy 25 minutes fast train ride away.
Other parts of Dongguan (which is huge) can be reached by taxi/pirate taxis. i.e. Chang An Dongguan City (Dong cheng) houjie, Dalang, Zhangmotou, Humen, tangxia etc etc - but perhaps not worth it for you to explore that far away as you have limited time. Remember - Taxis can run you RMB 100, 150 one way and take you up to an hour each way. For RMB150 and at my age, for less time I can have a Hui Mei Alley or night market gal!!
BTW - Dongguan is the area just north of the Shenzhen area.
SEAJ
Thank you very much Sir. Very helpfull as always. Was kind of confused.
El Greco
Pretty much that sums it up in China and need I add, in the U.S. as well.
Of course, being a pretty boy anywhere helps alot too.
Chinese men outside Asia are not exactly top of the food chain either for freebies with other gals of different race. Welcome to the club. What comes around goes around.
Bill
On P4P, I agree with Ace, the bigger the city, the worse it gets, quality vs. price. Beijing is a case in point. Smaller cities vary, and it takes time to find the places that suit you.
Regarding non-pro, I might agree with Exile's comment about "connections," assuming he means that it's difficult if you just show up in a new city as a random stranger. I think the availability of freebies is directly proportional to one's perceived status and stability (as judged from your job, your apartment, your connections, etc.). Lately, as a lone drifter, I scarcely find freebies. Earlier, as a teacher in a well-known university, I did OK. An expat in a foreign company will do even better. Also -- casual may be difficult unless you're willing to try older gals (or so I've found).
There are so many factors. Race, age, and other physical attributes could matter, depending on the girl. I've been turned down for P4P just because I'm a foreigner, but in other cases it has worked in my favor.
I don't know if the above helps. I, too, would like it if I could find freebies whenever I want, like some guys on this forum, and I don't know their situation (status, social connections, or what age/looks of gals they're getting), so I just thought I'd add another perspective based on my own "mixed" results. Good luck, and YMMV.
SE Asia Joe
05-28-08, 05:06
What Price True Love?
“Thank God you DID call me – I thought that I was going to never see you again.”
That was Jiao Jiao’s greetings when she walked in the door.
Just an hour or so earlier, I was just walking out the BBS with Fa Fa in tow when I stumbled upon Jiao Jiao; and it felt like a jolt of electricity! Beautiful…Really beautiful is all I could muster to say as I asked her for her telephone number. Without a word and staring at me the whole time, she scribbled her details and held my hands briefly as she handed it over. Damn, I wish I hadn’t already chosen Fa Fa – and already handed the mommie RMB100 for Fa Fa! Damn, I wish I was with Jiao Jiao instead. Oh well!!
But sometimes good things happen by mistake; Fa Fa was ….. EXCELLENT!! How do I say it? How about Sauna experience from a BBS gal? Yup – that’s it! Total sauna experience executed with superior skill and surgical precision (Oh wow – she DOES know ALL the erogenous zones!). That – accompanied with mental images of Jiao Jiao – and not that Fa Fa was a fuglie – no, actually she’s quite good looking in the Ah Mei mould.
Mission accomplished. Very satisfied. But….Well…. I wasn’t about to let the good times come to a screeching halt. Nope, no way – and dialed Jiao Jiao’s number as I handed the phone to Fa Fa to tell her to give directions to Jiao Jiao to where we were at. And that was how Jiao made it to my door within 10 minutes flat – just when Fa Fa was walking out. Oh Yeah – Good times!!
Ningbo beauty with skin just a tinge darker than the usual Shanghai Beauty – but with all the Shanghai coquettishness! Huge Tits combined with a trim body – what more could a man ask for? Howsabout True Love????!!! At least that’s what the conversation immediately turned to right then and there.
How electrified she was when she first saw me, how her heart beat rapidly when I went and talked to her, how afraid she was of never being able to see me again – and me professing my undying appreciation at how beautiful she is, how I love the way she pouts her lips, how nice she smells – how she fulfills 100% of the criteria of my dream of the Perfect Gal. Yup – True Love at First Sight!
“Hey, you don’t have to tell your mommie when you see me – and save having to pay her RMB100!” - Me making plans for future trysts – perhaps even keeping her.
“You gonna give me 250 right?” She matter of factly said. “No – it’s 200 isn’t it?” I absent-mindedly asked. And it went on… and on… and on… and right there and then the whole aura just disappeared – over RMB50!! Oh well……. Better now than later….
For my True Love at First Sight!!
SEAJ
SEAJ
Damn it you said "Ah Mei" and I misted over. Although, haven't seen too many lookers like Ah Mei still can't complain with all the Mei Mei's ?
Wapec
What Price True Love?
“Thank God you DID call me – I thought that I was going to never see you again.”
That was Jiao Jiao’s greetings when she walked in the door.
Just an hour or so earlier, I was just walking out the BBS with Fa Fa in tow when I stumbled upon Jiao Jiao; and it felt like a jolt of electricity! Beautiful…Really beautiful is all I could muster to say as I asked her for her telephone number. Without a word and staring at me the whole time, she scribbled her details and held my hands briefly as she handed it over. Damn, I wish I hadn’t already chosen Fa Fa – and already handed the mommie RMB100 for Fa Fa! Damn, I wish I was with Jiao Jiao instead. Oh well!!
But sometimes good things happen by mistake; Fa Fa was ….. EXCELLENT!! How do I say it? How about Sauna experience from a BBS gal? Yup – that’s it! Total sauna experience executed with superior skill and surgical precision (Oh wow – she DOES know ALL the erogenous zones!). That – accompanied with mental images of Jiao Jiao – and not that Fa Fa was a fuglie – no, actually she’s quite good looking in the Ah Mei mould.
Mission accomplished. Very satisfied. But….Well…. I wasn’t about to let the good times come to a screeching halt. Nope, no way – and dialed Jiao Jiao’s number as I handed the phone to Fa Fa to tell her to give directions to Jiao Jiao to where we were at. And that was how Jiao made it to my door within 10 minutes flat – just when Fa Fa was walking out. Oh Yeah – Good times!!
Ningbo beauty with skin just a tinge darker than the usual Shanghai Beauty – but with all the Shanghai coquettishness! Huge Tits combined with a trim body – what more could a man ask for? Howsabout True Love????!!! At least that’s what the conversation immediately turned to right then and there.
How electrified she was when she first saw me, how her heart beat rapidly when I went and talked to her, how afraid she was of never being able to see me again – and me professing my undying appreciation at how beautiful she is, how I love the way she pouts her lips, how nice she smells – how she fulfills 100% of the criteria of my dream of the Perfect Gal. Yup – True Love at First Sight!
“Hey, you don’t have to tell your mommie when you see me – and save having to pay her RMB100!” - Me making plans for future trysts – perhaps even keeping her.
“You gonna give me 250 right?” She matter of factly said. “No – it’s 200 isn’t it?” I absent-mindedly asked. And it went on… and on… and on… and right there and then the whole aura just disappeared – over RMB50!! Oh well……. Better now than later….
For my True Love at First Sight!!
SEAJ
Traveler1234
05-29-08, 03:11
Go over your notes, little lady. I took a ride to a neighboring town that was about 20 minutes away by motorcycle because overnight there was about 200RMB (as opposed to 300RMB and a lower selection in the city in which I was).
My notes big man: an excerpt from one of your more eloquent and enlightening posts:
What is the moral of this story?
1. At rock bottom prices, the girls are likely to be so far away from the city center that they have never seen a foreigner in all of their life. They might also be afraid that they might get ruptured from having sex with a black man. (Chinese men must have REALLY little dicks like I've heard so often from Western women.)
2. Outside of the big cities, the police DON'T have it under control and that might be a BETTER place to get robbed/ murdered than the biggest cities. (This is in spite of the fact that taxi drivers in Beijing and Guangzhou have shields between them and the customers-- and that one driver told me that 4 taxi drivers had been killed that year in Beijing alone.) My employer has told me time and time again "If you venture outside of Huaihua, we cannot be responsible for your safety." WTF???
Your entire story here - just so that I don't misquote you or take your comments out of context: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=485746&postcount=1524
Hatztowork
05-29-08, 06:08
I'm not here to insult you.
Goofy guys like me can get laid and are courted by local gals.
So what's your background? If you want to openly discuss this.
BillHey Guys,
Just wondering. I'm coming to China in June to late July. Probably in Shenzen region or somewhere else in Guangzhou as I only speak English and Cantonese. Are they cracking down like crazy because of Olympics? I also heard it's really dangerous in China now in terms of crime? Any tips for a foreigner?
Thanks!
Hey Guys,
Just wondering. I'm coming to China in June to late July. Probably in Shenzen region or somewhere else in Guangzhou as I only speak English and Cantonese. Are they cracking down like crazy because of Olympics? I also heard it's really dangerous in China now in terms of crime? Any tips for a foreigner?
Thanks!
Not much has changed in Shenzhen in the run-up to the Olympics. The biggest change (as often mentioned here) is to have your visa in order before you come. Businessmen and tourists have been stuck in HK due to the changes in mainland visa policies (mainly the difficulty in obtaining a multiple entry visa and the need to obtain a visa in your home country).
I've never had any crime related problems in China during the last four years. Saying that, however, you must always be mindful of your surroundings. Don't go down dark alleys by yourself, etc. Luckily in China it's pretty easy to stay in the crowd. China is rampant with pickpockets and petty crime, but I believe it to be one of the safest places on the planet otherwise.
Just my 2 kuai worth
Clean Gene
05-29-08, 08:20
FYI.
I clicked on this "China General Info" thread that suppossedly had a report by cheap Meat - but there was NO report by him. In fact, when I tried "more posts" of Cheap Meat - there was NO match - and I thought - ho
SEAJA couple of stories.
1) I worked with a Lebanese who wasn't happy unless he "screwed" (both ways) a girl every week or two. He was found dead. Overdose. Discreet inquiries indicated an SW dressed as a student was involved.
2) Many years ago, I worked with an East European who was a boy in a DP camp in the British Zone shortly after WWII. They were in great difficulty, and his young aunt went to the Brit troops with a sack. Serviced a bunch of them and was promised a full sack of food. The Brits drove by later, threw the empty sack at her and jeered and called her names. The boy grew up skilled in all sorts of nasty things. He lives now in his hometown in Eastern Europe. We still keep in touch.
I try not to gratuitously harm the Chinese. And they have not gratuitously harmed me.
I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
Famous quote: When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?
Santa,
You probably asked her to BJ you for too long. She might have used that as a tactic. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Most local guys do not like going down on the girl, especially if it is a WG. Good thing you called her bluff, Santa. Show her laowais are not to be trifled with.
I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
Old Mean Dog
05-31-08, 12:28
I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
Famous quote: When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?I would seriously worry about blowing a girl, nothing like the nasty sound of a pussy fart!
CPE
Albert Punter
05-31-08, 12:34
Sorry, but I didn't catch real meaning of "blowing".
Yes, in case you blow into a pussy farting occurs.
I had experienced this long ago when I did this just to try.
In my post I only meant DATY.
I would seriously worry about blowing a girl, nothing like the nasty sound of a pussy fart!
CPE
Well, she asked me to blow her (chui wo), but I think her intention was for me to DATY, and that's what I did. I think she was amused by it. She thought it was funny and wanted to try it out. She was fairly new to the mongering game.
My guess is that not many chinese guys would do it. Is that right?
I went first, so it wasn't a cunning attempt to quit giving me my blow job.
FernandoAlonso
05-31-08, 15:38
Well, she asked me to blow her (chui wo), but I think her intention was for me to DATY, and that's what I did. I think she was amused by it. She thought it was funny and wanted to try it out. She was fairly new to the mongering game.
My guess is that not many chinese guys would do it. Is that right?
I went first, so it wasn't a cunning attempt to quit giving me my blow job.The whole foreplay is the big unknown in this country, so our advantage with semi-pros and the interested ones but disadvantage with the full pros who just want to get it over.
If you can show the gals respect and generate some pleasure for them, you will always benefit from a good session in return. I had even pros ask me for DATY and it changed the experience from mechanical and fake to fun on both ends!
Just my POV
FA
Well, she asked me to blow her (chui wo), but I think her intention was for me to DATY, and that's what I did. I think she was amused by it. She thought it was funny and wanted to try it out. She was fairly new to the mongering game.
My guess is that not many chinese guys would do it. Is that right?
I went first, so it wasn't a cunning attempt to quit giving me my blow job.I met a non wg one time that never had a man go down on her. So she ask me about it. I just gave her a licking and after that we always started the session with me giving her a licking. After that she told me that most of the local guys never want to go down but prefer to get blowin. She loves getting an orgasm first early in the foreplay. What could I say but oblige.
As for WG, I prefer not to go down unless I know that they just showered and is totally clean. Some of the WG do have a bit of an odor issue. Just my pov.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Foreplay is fairly unknown in China Mainland and not practised much (yet). From conversations with married friends its usually the wives who get curious and ask lots of questions (with their husbands present so no opportunity for a demo) about oral sex by a man to a woman. This has happened to me in Northern, Southern & Eastern China, Taiwan & a much lesser extent in Hong Kong.
Most of the Chinese husbands are not impressed because traditionally sex is male dominated and culturally the view is that sex is about making babies and perpetuating the male lineage. Communism has brought superficial equality in many male female relations (compared to traditional Confucian values) but it hasn't extended into the bedroom.
So I would concur with the view that its to a Laowai / GuiLo' s advantage to provide as its not taught or common practice. Freebies will lap it up. For a Pro, personally, I don't see the point given the potential communicable risks which aren't always visible or obvious. Also, when doing a prop the experience is all about me - why else would one pay!
An interesting story by Santa and, more so, an interesting experience for the memoirs.
Just my pov.
I had a bbs girl today who politely ask me to kiss her pussy. Well, of course I did. Then she asked me to blow her. Well, don't you know I did. I'm sometimes the willing gentleman, but I have never before had a bbs girl ASK me. Have any of you guys experienced this "request" before?
Famous quote: When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?
As for WG, I prefer not to go down unless I know that they just showered and is totally clean.
It's high risk and a shower won't help much. Gonorrhea is very common and widespread in China. I just got rid of one! To make it worse, girls are often gonorrhea carrier with no visible symptoms, they themself may not know. Means they may spread it around for weeks till they get feedback from a customer.
Then they probably get some antibiotics recommended by their commercial "mom". That may, or may not cure it. The result can be a more antibiotic resistant gonorrhea bacteria.
BTW, my case came from my last BBBJ, which was really my last BBBJ.
It's high risk and a shower won't help much. Gonorrhea is very common and widespread in China. I just got rid of one! To make it worse, girls are often gonorrhea carrier with no visible symptoms, they themself may not know. Means they may spread it around for weeks till they get feedback from a customer.
Then they probably get some antibiotics recommended by their commercial "mom". That may, or may not cure it. The result can be a more antibiotic resistant gonorrhea bacteria.
BTW, my case came from my last BBBJ, which was really my last BBBJ.What were your symptoms.?
Ace of Spades
06-02-08, 12:59
I have been coming to China for a long time --- about 7 years in total.
Here is some advice:
If you want to live well in China, stay away from Shenzhen, Guangzhou and similar places. Those places the expensive cities in China. If you travel even 30-45 mins outside of those places, prices for food (Chinese food), taxis, accomandation (hotels and apartments), and prices for hookers reduce by about 50-60% or sometimes even higher. In provincial China, it gets even cheaper but you will need a good command of Mandarin as spoken English would be no existant.
I hope this helps,
ACE
BossLove72
06-02-08, 17:30
What were your symptoms.?Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. It seems that her ex-husband has also visited the ladies as well. She is amazingly okay with this. I say this since I haven't taken it that far with her. She just wanted to see and tells me thanks for being honest with her and once I recover, she will blow my mind. This is I'm what talking about the good and bad of China. This would never happen in the US. She understands and is waiting for me to get better. Go figure!
Anybody have any idea what this is?
This site has been blocked in the internet cafes I went to in China the last days, now it has finally become accessible again.
Well, I'm back once again in the land of vice and honey. Landed in Beijing and checked into a youth hostel (180 RMB/night for single room) in Chaoyang district, next to which they conveniently ran a brothel with a big sign "foot massage". The youth hostel contained the typical mix of clueless American bums loafing around. The first evening I went to the North Korean restaurant to try to pick up waitresses there, withouth much success. So I returned to the youth hostel and checked into the brothel next door, paid 150RMB for the first girl to give me a massage and HJ, then another 150RMB for another girl to follow up with another HJ and gave her a tip to sit on my face while doing it.
Then the trip went on to Wuhan, checked into a local college dorm. About 200 meters from the college there is a street with many BBS, price for ST is 150 RMB, have been there several times now. Most of the girls are local from Hubei, really quite nice, 150RMB includes BJ if you ask for it before.
Also been busy chatting up girl students at the college to find a GF.
If you want to live well in China, stay away from Shenzhen, Guangzhou and similar places. Those places the expensive cities in China. If you travel even 30-45 mins outside of those places, prices for food (Chinese food), taxis, accomandation (hotels and apartments), and prices for hookers reduce by about 50-60% or sometimes even higher. In provincial China, it gets even cheaper but you will need a good command of Mandarin as spoken English would be no existant.
I hope this helps,
ACE
In Wuhan the starting price for taxis is only 3 RMB, hookers are 150-200, fried noodles with egg (chaomian) are 4 RMB, beer in the same restaurants 2-3RMB/bottle, I like this place.
Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. --cut--
Anybody have any idea what this is?
For obvious reasons, a diagnosis over a sex site may not be the most accurate. Bunch of blind people leading the blind, really. Anyway, for whatever it is worth, if it is a part of the crotch and not the whole thing and maybe spread to beyond the crotch, and it is red plus the itchy you mentioned, it could be tinea cruris. This is contagious. It is a type of fungal infection and can be cured.
Another possibility is a heat rash which would have tiny white spots within the itchy area. This is not contagious but very irritating.
Both do not need antibiotics but might be helped by keeping it cool, dry and antifungal creams. Antifungal oral meds are fairly toxic and might be avoided if at all possible.
Chlamydia, gonnorhea, other STDs are possible but less likely based on your two sentence description. Now ask me gynecology questions, I'm much better at that anatomy... :)
Mock A Bee
06-03-08, 01:58
This site has been blocked in the internet cafes I went to in China the last days, now it has finally become accessible again.
Well, I'm back once again in the land of vice and honey. Landed in Beijing and checked into a youth hostel (180 RMB/night for single room) in Chaoyang district, next to which they conveniently ran a brothel with a big sign "foot massage". The youth hostel contained the typical mix of clueless American bums loafing around. The first evening I went to the North Korean restaurant to try to pick up waitresses there, withouth much success. So I returned to the youth hostel and checked into the brothel next door, paid 150RMB for the first girl to give me a massage and HJ, then another 150RMB for another girl to follow up with another HJ and gave her a tip to sit on my face while doing it.
Then the trip went on to Wuhan, checked into a local college dorm. About 200 meters from the college there is a street with many BBS, price for ST is 150 RMB, have been there several times now. Most of the girls are local from Hubei, really quite nice, 150RMB includes BJ if you ask for it before.
Also been busy chatting up girl students at the college to find a GF.
Most people will strike out when trying to pick up a North Korean girl, unless you are a North Korean VIP, in which case you can have your way with them.
From what I understand, the waitresses from North Korea are highly restricted in anything they do. They are basically under lock and key. They can't go out unless escorted by North Korean security. They can't leave the restaurant, and at one of the North Korean restaurants I have been to in Beijing, the staff all basically live in dorms at the restaurant.
Basically, the staff that get the "opportunity" to work outside of North Korea consider it a privilege.
I suspect they will be shot if they try to escape or do anything naughty. Actually, their whole family back in N Korea will be killed if they do anything, and they know this.
MAB
It's helpful to show your doctor before it heals and goes "underground."
Bill
Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. It seems that her ex-husband has also visited the ladies as well. She is amazingly okay with this. I say this since I haven't taken it that far with her. She just wanted to see and tells me thanks for being honest with her and once I recover, she will blow my mind. This is I'm what talking about the good and bad of China. This would never happen in the US. She understands and is waiting for me to get better. Go figure!
Anybody have any idea what this is?
Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain.
Anybody have any idea what this is?
I sometimes get very light and slightly itchy bumps between my fingers, and it only seems to happen when in China.
Is it possibly an allergic reaction to soap residue?
Ace of Spades
06-03-08, 05:31
Chances are you got a heat rash, if the rash itself is limited to crotch area.
For an accurate diagnosis go to any large hospital, get a blood test (they will prick your finger) and looked at by a doctor (dermatology department) to rule out any problems. If it does turn out you got an STD, your divorced lady friend and other partners should all get promptly tested and treated. Sometimes ladies show no symptoms
Old Mean Dog
06-03-08, 05:38
Hmmm, I just got something that I've never seen before. Some light bumps over my crotch area, slightly itchy, no pain. Just enough to be irritating. Told the divorced woman that I'm currently seeing and she immediately brought me some cream and pills to take twice a day. It seems that her ex-husband has also visited the ladies as well. She is amazingly okay with this. I say this since I haven't taken it that far with her. She just wanted to see and tells me thanks for being honest with her and once I recover, she will blow my mind. This is I'm what talking about the good and bad of China. This would never happen in the US. She understands and is waiting for me to get better. Go figure!
Anybody have any idea what this is?
I'm gonna guess Crabs! Second choice will be Crotch Rot!
Seriously, go see a doctor.
Also, if you think it might be some form of STD, I would suggest going out of country, HK/Macau, or know a doc you can trust. I have heard that doctors are required to report to the government, people with STD's...this would not be good for a foreigner. Anyone else ever heard this?
SE Asia Joe
06-03-08, 05:57
Chances are you got a heat rash, if the rash itself is limited to crotch area.
For an accurate diagnosis go to any large hospital, get a blood test (they will prick your finger) and looked at by a doctor (dermatology department) to rule out any problems. If it does turn out you got an STD, your divorced lady friend and other partners should all get promptly tested and treated. Sometimes ladies show no symptoms
Definitely go and get yourself checked out as there ARE a great variety of STD's and other nasties. But as per CPE, I'd go to a doctor/hospital outside of China as yes, I do believe that they will report you to the authorities if you are found to be infected with an STD.
Meanwhile, please also know that there ARE occassions when the extra high humidity in many parts of China give rise to various fungal infection/jock itch/allergies. This being so, as my first "line of defense" I pick up (for a few Bahts in Thailand) and regularly use "Snake Brand" Prickly Heat powder manufactured by British Dispensary - which lots of Thai guys use. This powder is also available in some of those Thai food shops in Hong Kong. Otherwise, there are also local PRC brands/manfuacture that you should be able to get in China.
SEAJ
/////This is on today's South China Morning Post///
COUNTDOWN TO THE OLYMPICS
Reuters in Beijing
Jun 03, 2008
The organisers of the Beijing Olympics yesterday reminded foreigners to behave, warning them that everything from protesting without permission to sleeping outdoors was forbidden. They also said holders of Olympics tickets were not guaranteed visas.
The extensive list, written only in Chinese and put up on the organisers' official website (www.Beijing2008.cn), says entry will be denied to anyone intent on "subversion", those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases, and people who wish to engage in prostitution. "Foreigners should respect Chinese laws while in China and should not harm China's national security or damage social order," it says.
The reminder warns the 500,000 overseas visitors who are expected to come to Beijing in August that China is still a country with many off-limits areas and beholden to bureaucracy and public-security organs.
"Not all of China is currently open to foreigners, and if foreigners do not have permission they should not go into areas not opened," it reads.
"Foreigners should carry with them relevant documents. The police, in the course of doing their job, have the right to check foreigners' passports and other documents," the reminder says, adding that foreigners should register with the police upon arrival.
The government has denied keeping a blacklist of what it considers potentially troublemaking journalists, but is eager to avoid activists from human-rights or pro-Tibet groups staging protests at the Games, hence the tougher visa controls.
"Foreign spectators will not necessarily automatically get visas just because they have bought Olympic tickets, and still need to apply for visas in accordance with the rules at Chinese embassies," the list says.
The reminder also outlines six activities that are illegal at cultural or sporting events. These include waving "insulting banners", attacking referees or players, and smoking or lighting fireworks in venues.
And you can forget about sleeping outdoors to save a bit of money.
It is not allowed, to "maintain public hygiene and the cultured image of cities".
Well, depends. If you are a laowai, it's obvious you are not local. If you are a ABC, they don't even ask for ID in hospitals. So couldn't report you if they wanted to.
Also, if you think it might be some form of STD, I would suggest going out of country, HK/Macau, or know a doc you can trust. I have heard that doctors are required to report to the government, people with STD's...this would not be good for a foreigner. Anyone else ever heard this?
I have to agree on this one,,I have never had to show ID for any visits to hospitals in China,,and I have been many many times (kids are sick all the time,,)
As long as you have those pieces of red paper with Maos face on it for the bill you are OK. No need for ID at all.
Give a fake name if you are worried about it, and get the number of the doctor so you can just call for the results.
SE Asia Joe
06-03-08, 06:21
Was with a fellow monger who was carrying quite openly/quite easy to see/ sticking out of his pocket a 6" Switch blade - one of those that when you press a button, the blade would flick out. Reason he carries it he tells me is to drive off beggars and to possibly use if he gets into any 'situations' in china.
Now I know that I wouldn't cary one myself as I would be deathly afraid of not being able to use it properly and that instad it would be used against me!!
But am wondering - is such a flick knife legal to carry around in China?
I KNOW that its is definitely NOT legal to do so in Hong Kong and that one will get into some real deep trouble if caught with one here.
SEAJ.
ps. Please no RTFF retorts!! Or telling me that its got nuthin' to do with mongering - this is the General Info thread!!
SE Asia Joe
06-03-08, 06:26
I have to agree on this one,,I have never had to show ID for any visits to hospitals in China,,and I have been many many times (kids are sick all the time,,)
As long as you have those pieces of red paper with Maos face on it for the bill you are OK. No need for ID at all.
Give a fake name if you are worried about it, and get the number of the doctor so you can just call for the results.
Wadman and you've pointed out the "loophole" in the whole system - but legally speaking and without using the loopholes etc - a doctor/hospital in China is I BELIEVE, required to report to the authorities any foreign national diagnosed to be harboring an STD.
A person can do ANYTHING ANYWHERE (if not caught) - the thing to remember though, is if such action is strictly legal or not.
SEAJ
SEA JOE,
I have been living in China for nearly 5 years now and I can tell you that everyday of those 5 years I have always carried my 3 inch bladed Benchmade knife (the folding type). I have entered many clubs with metal detectors (what a joke) and never been challenged to give it up by security. I have checked the knife, to board planes, in my luggage and have never have had a problem.
Now as to the law, I am sure the Chinese will translate the law in any fashion that seems useful at the time they so desire to take an edged weapon away from anyone.
I think the real problem starts when folks are carrying around fixed blades, the ones that dont fold, longer more durable knives. As long as you dont strap one of those chopper looking things to your side, your probably not going to draw much attention to yourself with a SMALL folder or automatic, something that is primarily used as a tool for opening packages, cleaning under fingernails, cutting cord/rope, freeing yourself or others from a seatbelt.
Hope this helps
Well, for a proper blood test you DO need to submit ID. This is a different procedure and only certain hospitals are qualified to do these. The one STD China really cares about is AIDS. So, if you do blood test, and it turns up positive for AIDS, they will kick you out (so I have heard).
For Gonnorhea, Chlamidya, etc, I don't think they could care less.
Wadman and you've pointed out the "loophole" in the whole system - but legally speaking and without using the loopholes etc - a doctor/hospital in China is I BELIEVE, required to report to the authorities any foreign national diagnosed to be harboring an STD.
A person can do ANYTHING ANYWHERE (if not caught) - the thing to remember though, is if such action is strictly legal or not.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-03-08, 07:15
SEA JOE,
I have been living in China for nearly 5 years now and I can tell you that everyday of those 5 years I have always carried my 3 inch bladed Benchmade knife (the folding type). I have entered many clubs with metal detectors (what a joke) and never been challenged to give it up by security. I have checked the knife, to board planes, in my luggage and have never have had a problem.
Now as to the law, I am sure the Chinese will translate the law in any fashion that seems useful at the time they so desire to take an edged weapon away from anyone.
I think the real problem starts when folks are carrying around fixed blades, the ones that dont fold, longer more durable knives. As long as you dont strap one of those chopper looking things to your side, your probably not going to draw much attention to yourself with a SMALL folder or automatic, something that is primarily used as a tool for opening packages, cleaning under fingernails, cutting cord/rope, freeing yourself or others from a seatbelt.
Hope this helps
Thanks for your input.
Yes, I can see where a 3" foldable knife - or those like the Swiss Army type would not be too much of a problem - those are even fine to carry around in Hong Kong.
But what I saw him carrying was one of those real mean looking flick knife with the automatic release, 6" long real pointy blade, Rambo type ridges on one side and real sharp on the other that can/fashioned to definitely cause some serious bodily harm. In other words a SERIOUS injury/fighting type knife.
Just curious actually
SEAJ
Ace of Spades
06-03-08, 10:06
As far as I know, hospitals won't ask for any ID. The practice might be different in larger cities, but I am located near Guangzhou about 30 mins away. Hospitals record very little information, you can even use a false name, no one will check.
Basically, you walk into the registration area in any hospital, tell the clerk which department you will visit, e.g, dermatology, fill out a form, pay 2 or 3 RMB (sometimes higher) for registration this will also cover the consulation with the doctor. The clerk gives a receipt, a hospital card for future use, a prescription form and a record book. Proceed to relevant department.
I am not sure about HIV/AIDS testing in China, but my feeling is that ID might be required and the Public Security Bureau may get a copy of the results, especially if positive.
L visa May 2nd in HK, got the 90 day doubly 30 day entry L or tourist visa. $1600HK for U. S. passport
Just made a trip to Hong Kong, Kawloon, went & got new visa, talked with a gent with a British passport & he paid 1250 for the same visa.
There was a $100hk fee for dummy plane ticket & hotel reservations, included in the 1600, have heard some HK agents don’t charge the 100 extra.
My place says if in by 11am, can pick up next day 12:30 – 1:00 (I did). In before 3pm can get the next day tween 5 & 6.
I only gave my passport & one photo, they did the rest, dang near positive it’s a legit visa as I just passed through Luohu a few hours ago.
My last visa was a Dragon 6 month multi entry F visa I obtained in Shanghai, didn’t seem to matter as the only question the girl asked me was `1 or 2 entry?”
My heart sank when the currier handed the agent 5 or 6 passports saying “one got declined”… not sure the story, I shoulda asked but was in a rush to get the 1:15 ferry back to Shekou, which I missed.
I’ve heard first hand of 3 different agents getting the 90 day tourist visa good for 2-30 day entries for U.S. & British, looks like many of the usual travel / visa agents Can get for the top 7 or 8 countries.
In the travel office was a sign listing countries they Can’t get the visa for, long list that excluded any of the top countries, too many for me to remember. I have a couple HK agent numbers if someone needs, PM me.
Departing in Shekou yesterday, at the ferry port, they scanned my lightly packed bag, along with Everything people were carrying. I had a bundle of pink notes in mine, they pulled me out of line, looked in my bag & asked `how much? Then they said Only 20,000 RMB was allowed each time out leaving China, but, they’ll let me through with my 30k, but next time I need to be careful to pay attention & let they me through.
A Normal uneventful entry back through Luohu at 2pm today, seemed quiet though.
Heard rumor U.S. passports being declined the one year multy visa, In the states as of 8 days ago, `hope not.
I’m good till August with this one, gonna wait till then to know what / how my next visa will be.
Crazy Jim Wood
06-03-08, 16:28
Heard rumor U.S. passports being declined the one year multy visa, In the states as of 8 days ago, `hope not.
I’m good till August with this one, gonna wait till then to know what / how my next visa will be.
I got a one year, multi-entry visa in my US passport at the end of May, so it is possible.
Hmm... using this logic you (and the rest of us) should stay out of CP, CA, Shenzhen, and everywhere else for mongering. Because officially, prostitution is illegal in China. But we all still go. Why? Because we deem the risk acceptable.
Wadman and you've pointed out the "loophole" in the whole system - but legally speaking and without using the loopholes etc - a doctor/hospital in China is I BELIEVE, required to report to the authorities any foreign national diagnosed to be harboring an STD.
A person can do ANYTHING ANYWHERE (if not caught) - the thing to remember though, is if such action is strictly legal or not.
SEAJ
Entry would be banned to anyone who was intent on 'subversion' upon arriving in China, those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases and people who wished to engage in prostitution, the rules read.
'Foreigners must respect Chinese laws while in China and must not harm China's national security or damage social order,' the rules say.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Asia/STIStory_243596.html
Mock A Bee
06-04-08, 08:48
Hmm... using this logic you (and the rest of us) should stay out of CP, CA, Shenzhen, and everywhere else for mongering. Because officially, prostitution is illegal in China. But we all still go. Why? Because we deem the risk acceptable.
Yes, prostitution is technically illegal in China. The risk is acceptable because it is allowed.
If it were not illegal, LE would not be able to extort money, I mean get red envelopes, from houses of ill repute quite so easily. In fact because it is technically illegal, LE earn much more protection money from it.
Because there is so much money made off of it, LE and government turn a blind eye, which makes the risk acceptable.
MAB
While studying at a Shenzhen institution, the person responsible for visas kept reminding us that you can only use an L or F visa for the first 6 months. After 6 months, you must apply for a study visa (through the school, i.e. through him). He used pretty much the exact same words: "Foreigners must repsect Chinese laws...".
A 12 month study visa is 600 rmb, 400 rmb for 6 months. He encouraged students to get a 12 month one. The 12 month visa turns out to be 11 months only. Turns out that he pays 400 rmb for ANY study visa less than 1 year. And yup, pockets the rest of the money.
So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.
Entry would be banned to anyone who was intent on 'subversion' upon arriving in China, those with mental illnesses and sexually transmitted diseases and people who wished to engage in prostitution, the rules read.
'Foreigners must respect Chinese laws while in China and must not harm China's national security or damage social order,' the rules say.
So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.
I tried this logic on the New Jersey Turnpike:
"Officer, I'm a foreigner, and those Americans did at least 85 as well."
Didn't sit too well with the trooper.
Andreas Wang
06-05-08, 06:08
So if Chinese people don't respect Chinese laws, it's tough to convince foreigners that they should.I find it more of a problem when Chinese people refuse to help you to respect Chinese laws to later convince foreigners they should. Or other Chinese for that matter.
"Register at a friends place within 24 hours" sounds all fine and dandy ... until the building administration can't manage to hand your friend that whatever-paper the police asked for because they "never heard about it before". And guess what? When I told the police about the building administration being totally unaware of anything I was told "whatever, you tell them from us and deal with it ... yeah, just do it tomorrow."
And there went your "register withing 24 hours" rule. This is just one of many examples where LE was bending the rules in my favour because "obey Chinese Laws" quite often still remains a rather shifty, ambigous and regularly only theoretical concept.
In my experience making an effort, showing patience, speaking Chinese and (most important) being polite helps a lot. YMMV but I did not get my film ruined when LE suspected I took a picture of an arrest on Tiananmen Square neither did I pay a fine for overstaying my visa some years ago just by following these basic procedures.
Meanwhile some Arab got yelled out of the Immigration Office near YongHeGong for mouthing off and complaining how things are run here. I don't know what his exact problem was, but one of them might have been he was a drama queen with entitlement issues. Either that or I just don't get Arab culture.
Godfather2
06-05-08, 09:47
Hi,
Can anyone advice on what is the penalty of Overstay in China? Now because of all the visa probs.
Say is a person entered on a 30 day single on the 20th of May, can he stay untill the 19th June or technically 18th June only?
If a person overstays for just 1 day, due to flight unavailibility etc whats the penalty? Godfather2
This is a good video blog of an expat living in Shanghai. He talks about the VISA issues and many other issues related to foreigners living in China and how the Olympic is changing everything.
http://current.com/people/aricsqueen
Traveler1234
06-07-08, 21:31
I tried this logic on the New Jersey Turnpike:
"Officer, I'm a foreigner, and those Americans did at least 85 as well."
Didn't sit too well with the trooper.
Zhuren
Most intelligent post I've read re this subject ;)
Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".
Hi,
Can anyone advice on what is the penalty of Overstay in China? Now because of all the visa probs.
Say is a person entered on a 30 day single on the 20th of May, can he stay untill the 19th June or technically 18th June only?
If a person overstays for just 1 day, due to flight unavailibility etc whats the penalty? Godfather2
FernandoAlonso
06-08-08, 09:08
Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".Be carefull some valid until refer to the last day of entry, but it says clearly. Wadman is right on the olympics, what about checking with local police?
Police did not allow to get out of the country a person with an overstayed Visa in Baiyun Airport. He lost of course the plane and had to leave he country through the border with HK paying a fine. I do not know how much.
Becareful with Visas.
Ace of Spades
06-08-08, 16:39
The information about expired visas and the penalties is correct.
Unofficially, there are a few days grace given after the actual visa expires. 2 years ago I had this problem, I was taken to a special office at the LOWU border, where an immigration official told me to respect China’s laws, gave me a document to sign and then released me.
Police
As for registering with the police, this is all a sham. I went to 5 police stations in my city a few weeks ago, nobody knew what I was talking about. So I decided to let it go and move on. My current visa expires on June 15th.
China is really disorganized!!!
Your visa will have a "valid until" date on it. As long as you get out on that day (or before) everything is fine.
Long time ago (at least 1 year) they used to fine you 500 rmb per day. Then it changed. I overstayed once by 10 days, but immigration just made me fill out a form, told me not to do it again. No fine. Apparently, the maximum overstay is 10 days without a fine. Things may be different now though, with the olympics and "that other issue".All my China visas have an "issue date" and an "enter before" date. Then there is a specified "duration of each stay". I conclude that I can remain in China until the "duration" number of days after the "enter before" date, not just until the "valid until" date, whatever that means!
Andreas Wang
06-09-08, 01:38
China is really disorganized!!!You probably meant "flexible" ;)
Applesauce
06-09-08, 13:44
I wasn't sure which thread to ask this in, but I've been reading the reports here saying you've met some women on CFF but can I really trust the *FF sites with my credit card?
I've been Google'ing them and there's been a lot of reports saying they'll auto-renewing your subscription even after cancellation as well as sell your email address to spam/junk mail. And it doesn't look like they have Paypal either.
Andreas Wang
06-11-08, 05:50
I wasn't sure which thread to ask this in, but I've been reading the reports here saying you've met some women on CFF but can I really trust the *FF sites with my credit card?I once opened an account at Chinesefriendfinder (CFF) several years ago and when I now began to use it again I did not have to pay anything to view profiles and send out e-mails.
It could be a glitch, but I read elsewhere here that CFF (as opposed to adultfriendfinder or alt.com) allows free contact after a brief period your profile needs to get approved.
Means: why submit your card details at all?
Andreas Wang
06-11-08, 05:52
I'd need a health check for a Z visa. One source told it costs 650 RMB.
Is that reasonable / a bargain / a rip-off?
FernandoAlonso
06-11-08, 06:47
I once opened an account at Chinesefriendfinder (CFF) several years ago and when I now began to use it I did not have to pay anything to view profiles and send out e-mails.
It could be a glitch, but I read elsewhere here that CFF (as opposed to adultfriendfinder or alt.com) allows free contact after a brief period your profile needs to get approved.
Means: why submit your card details at all?Because you need it with newer accounts to be able to read e-mails you receive, which is somehow crucial?
FA
I'd need a health check for a Z visa. One source told it costs 650 RMB.
Is that reasonable / a bargain / a rip-off?
Where are you? Which city? I did mine a year ago in Shenzhen (Huanggang). I believe it was 400 rmb, an extra 100 rmb for 24 hour rush service.
TenthFloor
06-11-08, 08:19
I'd need a health check for a Z visa. One source told it costs 650 RMB.
Is that reasonable / a bargain / a rip-off?Andreas,
I did it in 2006 in Beijing and as far as I can remember that was the cost. But this you have to do only once. When you apply for it again next year, you don't need to repeat.
Just pay the cost for the new visa, which is RMB 800, if I remember correctly.
10F
Andreas Wang
06-12-08, 00:16
Re. Wadman: Yeah, clever me ... ask for details but forget to provide myself. I am in Beijing, sorry for the confusion. Thanks nevertheless for your reply.
Re. 10th Floor: Glad to hear that. Just yesterday the recruitment agency suggested I go to the very same 650 RMB place. If it only were not so far outside beyond the 5th ring.
Re. Fernando: They changed that free mail policy for good on CFF? And did not hit me with in retroactive (i.e. do not make me pay too)? Odd world.
FernandoAlonso
06-12-08, 07:23
Re. Fernando: They changed that free mail policy for good on CFF? And did not hit me with in retroactive (i.e. do not make me pay too)? Odd world.Yep, newer accounts you can send mail, you even receive but cannot open/read the mails, just get redirected to their paying site.. if anyone knows a clever way out, would be appreciated.
FA
Have been getting the dreaded "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" error so am in Proxify mode. Wondered when that would happen!!!
I have been receiving reports that people are having problems logging from home in Guangzhou and the Lucky hotel in CP.
Anybody else heard from other people about logging in issue on ISG in China?
No problem for me at me cheesy hotel in CP.
Could this be the start of another wave of pre-Olympic crackdowns?
Bill
Mock A Bee
06-13-08, 10:10
I have been receiving reports that people are having problems logging from home in Guangzhou and the Lucky hotel in CP.
Anybody else heard from other people about logging in issue on ISG in China?
No problem for me at me cheesy hotel in CP.
Could this be the start of another wave of pre-Olympic crackdowns?
Bill
Yes, I have been hearing of others from Shanghai having trouble getting the ISG website.
I don't know how consistent this is.
Anyone else know of others with trouble in Shanghai?
MAB
I just got a report that a member's service was blocked in SZ. WOW. This is getting big here.
Someone posted this software a while back and according one member, it was able to by pass the firewall: www.ultrareach.com
I just heard that ZH is blocked. Was also told that it could be a "network thing" and not related to a crackdown.
There was a mention of a site call Anoy.... something that also allow to log onto ISG without problem. Anybody remember the full URL?
Bill
Old Mean Dog
06-13-08, 17:08
I just got a report that a member's service was blocked in SZ. WOW. This is getting big here.
Someone posted this software a while back and according one member, it was able to by pass the firewall: www.ultrareach.com
I just heard that ZH is blocked. Was also told that it could be a "network thing" and not related to a crackdown.
There was a mention of a site call Anoy.... something that also allow to log onto ISG without problem. Anybody remember the full URL?
Bill
From 4 other members in SZ, seems ISG is now blocked. All using proxy masking to access.
I am accessing using pedalproxy
I'm looking for Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo and the fake ones are abundant. 8 Gig for 320RMB.
Anybody have an opinion on the fake ones?
I will be using to record video.
Bill
Anyone else know of others with trouble in Shanghai?
MAB
Yes, I am in a small hotel in Shanghai, and just started noticing this problem today.
If you do a traceroute (at the DOS prompt, enter "tracert -d www.internationalsexguide.info"), and the trace dies in the vicinity of 202.97.something, it probably means the connection fails at the point where China connects to the outside world. For whatever reason. That's what I'm seeing.
Brooklyn Cyclone
06-14-08, 13:24
Yes, I have been hearing of others from Shanghai having trouble getting the ISG website.
I don't know how consistent this is.
Anyone else know of others with trouble in Shanghai?
MABI am in Shanghai and cannot log in either.
Had to use proxy server.
Hello, because of there is not a just opened thread about Taizhou , I would ask if someone has suggestions for that city.
I'll be there the first days of July, maybe for a week and maybe at Yaoda International Hotel.
Thanks!
Loveasiangirls
06-15-08, 01:28
I always thought that my visa expired September 23. I just noticed now that this is the "enter before" date. As I have a 90 day multiple entry visa, am I right in thinking that if I entrer September 15 then my visa expires December 15 (90 days later)?
See the consulate's explanation at: http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/hzqz/faqv/t170583.htm
Question 5.
5. I'm going to China on June 1, and my visa will expire on June 10. Can I still stay in China for 30 days?
Yes. Usually, a Chinese visa is good for 90 days from the date of issuance, you can enter China any day Within the 90 days (please note the time difference between China and the U.S.); Duration of stay of a visa is usually 30 days (It is written in the visa label), you can stay in China for 30 days from the date of your entrance.
Bill
I always thought that my visa expired September 23. I just noticed now that this is the "enter before" date. As I have a 90 day multiple entry visa, am I right in thinking that if I entrer September 15 then my visa expires December 15 (90 days later)?
FernandoAlonso
06-15-08, 07:22
If you stay in China and cannot access ISG, at least set up the function that informs you on new reports on subscribed threads to your say yahoo e-mail. Not much but at least you can still read what is going on. If there still is something going on.
FA
Mock A Bee
06-16-08, 05:25
I'm looking for Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo and the fake ones are abundant. 8 Gig for 320RMB.
Anybody have an opinion on the fake ones?
I will be using to record video.
Bill
They are often real, but quality control rejects that get taken out the back door instead of destroyed like they are supposed to be, and resold as good ones for full price.
Much of the memory is bad, and you won't be able to read the data because it gets corrupted when it is saved. Sometimes you can actually find decent ones, but you have to store data and try to retrieve it to know.
Basically they are randomly bad memory chips and you can't tell what you have until it is too late.
I have bought fake Sony Duo memory before and regret it. The same happens with fake batteries of all sorts.
MAB
Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help!
Fast Eddie 48
06-17-08, 03:30
Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help!Durden,
That is a newbie questions is call escort service you go do a search at baidu or google even here at ISG ,I am sure you will get some escort website in China just make sure you ask upfront for the service you want ,you need to look for them or ask hotel manager or staff for help .
Fast eddie 48
Seems 'they' are getting wise to Proxy servers. My Proxify system is now getting blocked to a lot of sites. Especially ISG! UGLY!
Seems 'they' are getting wise to Proxy servers. My Proxify system is now getting blocked to a lot of sites. Especially ISG! UGLY!
Try a different proxy. I am posting via one now...
Loveasiangirls
06-17-08, 11:49
Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help!
try here: http://www.chinapass.com/default_e.asp
I can't vouch that it's 100% reliable.
Durden,
That is a newbie questions is call escort service you go do a search at baidu or google even here at ISG ,I am sure you will get some escort website in China just make sure you ask upfront for the service you want ,you need to look for them or ask hotel manager or staff for help .
Fast eddie 48Thanks, but I should have mentioned that I was looking for a non-escort agency girl, as I have found those on the Internet for Guangzhou and they are ridiculously expensive. I have read somewhere that more 'normal' girls are available as tour guides (and more) for costing much less.
We are blocked in Shanghai.
Workaround should be straightforward with enough motivation and rat cunning.
Ap_proxi_mately straight ahead.
Many options available.
Survival of the fittest, and the horniest!
Cheers,
P13
Sukhumvitter
06-20-08, 01:41
blocked in Shenzhen also. Easy work around is to use a proxy site.
I use:
w w w . turbohide . com
or
w w w . ciaproxy . com
Thanks to the other members here in Shenzhen who showed me these sites.
Have fun!
Yellow Fever #2
06-20-08, 02:55
blocked in Shenzhen also. Easy work around is to use a proxy site.
I use:
w w w . turbohide . com
or
w w w . ciaproxy . com
Thanks to the other members here in Shenzhen who showed me these sites.
Have fun!
It seems the forum is working today (as of this morning) but I too was blocked for perhaps the past 2 weeks.
I tried some proxies but I found it slow. My favourite free proxy anony mouse.org was also blocked.
I have signed up for a private VPN service which if you work on your own computer/laptop is a good value. I pay US$40/year and I can get local US websites and advertising including American sites available only inside America. There are many VPN services available, google for VPN service china and you find many. I am using WITOPIA but there are many others to try.
VPN service cannot be blocked by China and cannot be seen by the Chinese police as your whole session is encrypted.
It doesn't work inside my company firewall (shouldn't be spending my work time on this anyway) but at home and on the wireless it works great.
FernandoAlonso
06-20-08, 04:38
Works right now open line in Guangzhou.
Hi, my apologies if this is a newbie type question... after all, I am new here... and tried to find if this is answered earlier or in a FAQ.
Anyways, how can I find a "travel guide" girl in Guangzhou and/or Shenzhen and/or HK/Macau? Is this something that a Westerner does beforehand over the Internet in some forum, or do girls approach travellers upon arrival and offer their guide services? Sex would hopefully be included, or at least a pretty girl to hang out with who can then take me to the right massage places.
Thanks to any and all help!
Try finding the "English Corner" for each city you intend to visit. I'm sure you will find somebody there that will be happy to show you around for free.
In Shenzhen it is located at Lichee Park, in the center of town next to Shennan Lu. Look for a small concrete pavillion on the lake. Always busy on sundays.
Or, try the bars and coffeeshop in front of the Starbucks at Jusco. Subway station Science Museum. Don't be shy, just say hello to any attractive gals you see.
In Beijing and Shanghai, girls will sometimes approach you on the street and offer to take you to a teashop or artshop, these are usually scams.
Old Mean Dog
06-21-08, 08:15
Try finding the "English Corner" for each city you intend to visit. I'm sure you will find somebody there that will be happy to show you around for free.
In Shenzhen it is located at Lichee Park, in the center of town next to Shennan Lu. Look for a small concrete pavillion on the lake. Always busy on sundays.
Or, try the bars and coffeeshop in front of the Starbucks at Jusco. Subway station Science Museum. Don't be shy, just say hello to any attractive gals you see.
In Beijing and Shanghai, girls will sometimes approach you on the street and offer to take you to a teashop or artshop, these are usually scams.
Spoken like a true pervert ;)
Good advice from a hardcore monger. Think young girls who know or want to improve their English and where these types of girls might be found....i.e. Book Store in the English language section, Starbucks, RBT, etc.
-CPE
Spoken like a true pervert ;)
Good advice from a hardcore monger. Think young girls who know or want to improve their English and where these types of girls might be found....i.e. Book Store in the English language section, Starbucks, RBT, etc.
-CPEAn easy method to hookup is to go to a Starbuck with a couple of like minded friends and just start chatting in english and when the gals turn to look, just flash a nice smile or 'wink'. Setting up the bait and gradually reel them in. Late last year I did that with a friend and meet a few, but too bad that my sichuan freebies knew I was in town and sms me that she was coming over later that day.
RBT is also a nice place to go fishing too. Damn, I love fishing for nice fresh pussy. One of my favorite kind of sashimi. I love them wigglin as I'm eating my favorite sashimi.
Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.
hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of beijing or shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. i got a cheap ticket to go to china in july, but i am not sure whether i should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of china to let us say thailand or some other friendly destination? i would arrive in china in july the 35rd and have to leave china by the end of july. many thanks.zde;
looking through your previous post i really do not understand why you can not do the research and just read and research what past forum has said. why do you need to fly out of beijing or shanghai to a less costlier location. there are many places outside the major cities that does charge must less than the metro area.
almost everyone of your post is asking for a handout. i will not berate you and use the 'rtff' that most member would have told you. i really do not see any trip reports in your thirty post. what i am going to say is that what you are seeking is written in both of these location throughly. you do not need to fly out to a different less populated location. read and you will find.
two things that i want to add, there is no '35rd' day in july. the second thing is that on your initial post you indicate that you were 'blind'. just wondering.
use your braille machine and read the post and you will find. in china, please watch out for the fast moving traffic, it can be 'deadly' . if you are jaywalking, the bus and cab driver will speed up and smile as they approach you. just a word of wisdom for you.
Mock A Bee
06-24-08, 01:13
Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.
I didnt' know ISG offered travel services!
Awesome!
MAB
I didnt' know ISG offered travel services!
Awesome!
MABYes, we do. And here we go:
ZDE, why don't you just do the most obvious and check out the Air Asia website?
Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.You don't say where you are starting! According to kayak.com, you can reach a destination such as BKK almost as cheaply from the US as from Beijing or Shanghai. Run the comparisons and draw your own conclusions!
Old Mean Dog
06-24-08, 06:14
Hi, can someone tell me how much does it cost to fly out of Beijing or Shanghai to some more friendly destination for our hobby. I got a cheap ticket to go to China in July, but I am not sure whether I should buy it or turn it down, can someone tell me, how much does it cost to get out of China to let us say Thailand or some other friendly destination? I would arrive in China in July the 35rd and have to leave China by the end of July. Many thanks.
I suggest not coming then as visas are very difficult to get now and they will be clamping down on foreigners and those areas we frequent in this hobby.
Airplane tickets and hotels will double and triple in price during July all the way through the Olympics.
Why not Thailand, just avoid the protesters or PI but watch out for typhoons.
-CPE
Thanks to the big boys in Beijing I am reduced to lurker status. Tried to post some recent activities but between the slow internet and a proxy server I cannot.
See you after the Olympics guys
ES
Shanghai Pete
06-25-08, 07:33
FYI -- see below.
I own my apartment....anybody know if you are still required to register if you are the owner?
China clampdown on expatriate registration requirements
Expatriate China Staff PSB Registrations To Be Enforced From 1st July
The Chinese Public Security Bureau issued new guidelines today to hotels and apartment management companies concerning the registration of foreigners in China, set to take effect July 1.
The PSB, a part of China’s domestic police force charged with policing public security and immigration residence registration and immigration affairs for foreigners, has insisted that the existing regulations for the registration of foreigners in China must be strictly adhered. Violators and those who fail to report, be they individuals or building management, will be subject to fines the bureau has said.
Guests staying in Hotels and Serviced Apartments
Guests must be registered upon arrival with the PSB by the hotel and if separate, serviced apartment management company. Usually this procedure is automatic with input from the hotel being directly fed into the local PSB computer at the check-in procedure, with no additional action being required from the guest. However, daily checks are now in operation with the PSB physically visiting hotels to request copies of the hotels in-house guest list to make sure they match the PSB’s own records. If they do not, the hotel / serviced apartment will be fined RMB5,000 per missing entry. Hotel guests under these circumstances would not be fined. However it does mean that foreigners wishing to stay at an hotel in China must provide full passport and visa credentials in order to check in.
Expatriate Employees Living In Private Apartments
The apartment management company should be contacting foreign tenants /residents and requiring them to register with the local PSB. If this is not done, both the management company and the foreigner can be fined RMB5,000. It is important to note that this rule applies to any foreign person living in any apartment or private dwelling - even if it is for just for one night. If staying overnight or visiting friends in China, registration must be carried out upon arrival with the local PSB office responsible for the area within 24 hours of arrival.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Shanghai Pete
06-26-08, 02:17
This from the Shanghai Daily:
"a sauna manager in Guangzhou, the capital city of Guangdong Province, has revealed that hidden cameras are widely used by saunas and recreational facilities in Guangdong. Guangzhou police had asked local saunas to install cameras, he said."
I own my apartment....anybody know if you are still required to register if you are the owner?
Absolutely. We in Beijing have learned to carry the registration on us at all time when we go out.
Thanks to the big boys in Beijing I am reduced to lurker status. Tried to post some recent activities but between the slow internet and a proxy server I cannot.
See you after the Olympics guys
ESHi Eaglestar,
I'm still able to post through a proxy. I'll send you the name of it in a PM. For those looking for one, try the list at http://proxy.org/
FYI -- see below.
I own my apartment....anybody know if you are still required to register if you are the owner?Yes, you have to. In Beijing they regularly go through our apartment complex door-to-door asking to see registration papers. This began about 6 months ago. A few friends have also been stopped in the street. I photocopied my passport, visa and registration onto one sheet and keep it on me. Don't forget to re-register each time you leave the country and come back.
Flaming ginger plaster. Chinese traditional medicine
Before you categorize this as an off topic post for the venue, bear with me, since I love the view so much, I need my knees a lot woofwoof, therefore someone might find this as valid as vitamin V.
Knee was aching months. Went to a amasage place and ended up with a ginger paste (yes, the root / spice / plant) plastered to my knee, covered by a couple layers of cloth, hosed down with IPA / alcohol, then lit on fire. Besides being very very freaky looking, it was pleasant-n-toasty. A couple more douses & re-ignition. Felt very spicy inside the knee. Amazing relief! After going back a few more rounds the next few weeks I don't remember what the pain used to feel like. Talk about your happy endings. Understand it is used often on backs. Due to the mentioned very spicy feeling, I would not recommend getting jiggy with the treatment. Ask around or ask me where.
20rmb
SE Asia Joe
07-02-08, 11:52
Since.....we're now even talking aboutlumbago....well...
Two ways to make yourself look and feel younger in China:
1. Get yourself some nice and young 'uns, and abosrb their youth into you
2. Do what my good buddy here is doing - Cheap, much cheaper than elsewhere!!
SEAJ
P.s. Hrmph... thought I wouldn't post it up did you???
I found this service which will automatically email different available proxy server URL daily if you subscribe. I have tried it only one time but it obviously worked or I would not be here.
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07-07-08, 03:34
Hi Eaglestar,
I have signed up for WiTopia (a vpn) and it is working great. No problems with ISG or any other blocked site.
it's 40 USD per year, but it's worth it if you live in China.
Cheers.
Mock A Bee
07-07-08, 03:48
I have been using the WiTopia VPN for more than 6 months now, and it works quite well. Once you have it set up, it is very easy to use. I have not had any problems.
Considering how prevalent identity theft is now, I highly recommend using a VPN 100% of the time when you go online, anywhere in the world. Especially when you use an open WiFi connection like in the HKG airport or a coffee shop. China is well known as being a source of Spam, and there are people snooping for open networks and computers.
I get access to ISG without any problem.
The only issue I have is sometimes when I use certain LAN networks with a sophisticated hardware based firewall, the WiTopia VPN won't connect. Other than that, it works very well.
In fact, in China, getting my Yahoo! mail is faster (versus without using a VPN) because my data stream passes through the Chinese Firewall filters much more quickly. This is because my data stream to the outside world looks like garbage as far as the filtering computers are concerned.
I highly recommend using it.
MAB
Hi Eaglestar,
I have signed up for WiTopia (a vpn) and it is working great. No problems with ISG or any other blocked site.
it's 40 USD per year, but it's worth it if you live in China.
Cheers.
Hi Eaglestar,
I have signed up for WiTopia (a vpn) and it is working great. No problems with ISG or any other blocked site.
it's 40 USD per year, but it's worth it if you live in China.
Cheers.
Thanks to you and MAB I bought and downloaded WiTopia. Works great.
Much obliged to you two.
ES
...VPN won't connect. Other than that, it works very well.
In fact, in China, getting my Yahoo! mail is faster (versus without using a VPN) because my data stream passes through the Chinese Firewall .....
MAB
If you use gmail. Have https:// instead of http:// and your connection is also encrypted.
If you use firefox, there is a pulg-in called better gmail 2 to automatically does it for you.
Cheap Meat
07-11-08, 10:41
I'm just a poor guy with no money. So I cannot pay the girls the amounts quoted. The only way I can have sex is to scam hookers now. I've scammed Thai women into giving me sex, but I was wondering if it is possible to trick Chinese girls into having sex with me? I can cruise around in a taxi and pick up girls, have fun with them, then dump them without paying. You think this is possible in China?
Cheap Meat (poor man)
I don't know anything about travel permits for chinese inside China. If you met a girl in the provinces and she wanted to go with you to one of the big cities inside the free economic zones, would that be possible? What would that involve?
How about traveling with a chinese girl inside China without going to the free eco zones? Bad idea?
No plans, just asking.
I don't know anything about travel permits for chinese inside China. If you met a girl in the provinces and she wanted to go with you to one of the big cities inside the free economic zones, would that be possible? What would that involve?
How about traveling with a chinese girl inside China without going to the free eco zones? Bad idea?
No plans, just asking.Santa, CP is not inside any Special economic zone, so what are you up to?
It seems there are no checkpoints going to Zhuhai (Call me to join, just in case). For Shenzhen she would need to apply for a permit that is pretty easy to get.
Santa, CP is not inside any Special economic zone, so what are you up to?
It seems there are no checkpoints going to Zhuhai (Call me to join, just in case). For Shenzhen she would need to apply for a permit that is pretty easy to get.The second border coming into Shenzhen has been closed for a number of years now.
Wizard
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Santa, CP is not inside any Special economic zone, so what are you up to?
It seems there are no checkpoints going to Zhuhai (Call me to join, just in case). For Shenzhen she would need to apply for a permit that is pretty easy to get.
I'm talking about the big cities along the coastline that are in the free eco zones. Years ago I believe it was difficult to go to these cities, you needed a travel permit.
Also, non eco zones. I remember a young hooker in Guilin wanting to go with me to Kunming. Would there have been problems?
How about today? Do they need to show ID and permit?
If you meet a ktv girl in Hunan and invite her to go to a big city in the free eco zone, can you just hop on a train, bus or aeroplane and go, no questions asked? Lots of trouble at hotel check in?
I'm not up to anything, just curious. Many of you know China better than me, just want to read some opinions and comments.
It's a new topic!
Any recent reports on Sanya ? I could not find much when I did a search, it's suppose to a developing tourist area. I might go there for a few days.
Careful with the free proxies. What you send thorugh the connection (passwords, credit card numbers, whathaveyou) is readable at their end. You are putting a lot of trust i nto someone who you don't know. Some of these proxies are free for a reason ....
Very good info Zhuren. I did not know that. I have stopped using proxies and begun using a VPN now, but some others certainly can learn from what you posted.
Thanks,
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Loveasiangirls
07-20-08, 00:01
I don't know anything about travel permits for chinese inside China. If you met a girl in the provinces and she wanted to go with you to one of the big cities inside the free economic zones, would that be possible? What would that involve?
How about traveling with a chinese girl inside China without going to the free eco zones? Bad idea?
No plans, just asking.
I am not familiar with free economic zones but I have traveled with some girls in different parts of China and there has never been the hint of an issue. When you check-in a hotel you show you passport and she shows her id card and that's it. Airports are full of Chinese travelling all over China every day.
A mutual associate of ours had boy-girl group trip that had a last minute screw-up. At the airport, one of the girls couldn't go on the trip because the girl did not have her ID card with her.
The police got involved because it was a bunch of gweilao mongers with local girls. Better at the gate, if the girls goes first separately.
BTW, I lost my gweilao. Has any seen my gweilao? He's 5"6", 200 lbs and a bit old and cagey. Sorry, no reward but if you see him, just throw him a local WG. That will keep him happy for a week before he starts rubbing his crotch against a tree.
Bill
I'm talking about the big cities along the coastline that are in the free eco zones. Years ago I believe it was difficult to go to these cities, you needed a travel permit.
Also, non eco zones. I remember a young hooker in Guilin wanting to go with me to Kunming. Would there have been problems?
How about today? Do they need to show ID and permit?
If you meet a ktv girl in Hunan and invite her to go to a big city in the free eco zone, can you just hop on a train, bus or aeroplane and go, no questions asked? Lots of trouble at hotel check in?
I'm not up to anything, just curious. Many of you know China better than me, just want to read some opinions and comments.
It's a new topic!
Old Mean Dog
07-21-08, 01:29
BTW, I lost my gweilao. Has any seen my gweilao? He's 5"6", 200 lbs and a bit old and cagey. Sorry, no reward but if you see him, just throw him a local WG. That will keep him happy for a week before he starts rubbing his crotch against a tree.
BillI have not heard from him either. Maybe he got kidnapped and sold to a rural village farmer to be his wife, like in that Chinese movie "Blind Mountian".
CPE
BTW, I lost my gweilao. Has any seen my gweilao? He's 5"6", 200 lbs and a bit old and cagey. Sorry, no reward but if you see him, just throw him a local WG. That will keep him happy for a week before he starts rubbing his crotch against a tree.
BillThat dirty old sl*t!
I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.
Bert: You have started on your learning curve.
I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in August and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything. She has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.
Why would a Chinese woman need to shave her pussy?
Why would she need to have had anal sex?
Why would she need to have swallowed cum?
Perhaps you can teach her. :)
FernandoAlonso
07-23-08, 14:00
I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.The same as in many European countries woman do or did not shave armpits, there are cultural differences and a bei hu (White tiger) in China whether natural or artificial hairless is not often touched by Chinese men. Anal also uncommon, especially with gweilos perceived "monster dicks" you will have a tough time. Oral in general is uncommon. Same applies to foreplay, DATY etc. So to see it positive you can teach her a lot and may find a pleasurable student, or a constantly complaining *****.
Good luck
FA
I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.Welcome to China.
You are going to the wrong country. Go to Japan.
I was wondering why nearly all the pussies are untrimmed here. I am visiting in august and have set up a freebe and she told me she never shaved either. Come to find out that although she said she will do everything she has never taken it up the ass and swallowed a mans cum. go figure.Bert,
Again, TIC (This is China! ). Go to the search function on the China board and seek the meaning of 'White Tiger'. I like you prefer it smooth. There are some that keep it smooth. Read the China board forum on this matter. Read and you will know.
Yes I have some teaching to do. She says she is open minded and has already agreed to swallow my cum. Since she has never even had a finger in her ass I will have to work on that after a few sessions. Get her hot with DATY and rim her with a finger--progress to slipping it in--and finally get my cock up her virgin ass. Down that before with quite a few woman--so it just is a slower process. Mostly I assumed that since the one baby rule there was more anal and oral sex here.
The same as in many European countries woman do or did not shave armpits, there are cultural differences and a bei hu (White tiger) in China whether natural or artificial hairless is not often touched by Chinese men. Anal also uncommon, especially with gweilos perceived "monster dicks" you will have a tough time. Oral in general is uncommon. Same applies to foreplay, DATY etc. So to see it positive you can teach her a lot and may find a pleasurable student, or a constantly complaining *****.
Good luck
FA
Looks like some one has posted some of Sugar Baba's videos on You Porn or maybe he did it.
http://www.youporn.com/watch/10483/chinese-*****-suck-and-fuck-2/?from=related2&al=1&from_id=191106
http://www.youporn.com/watch/22237/chinese-*****-suck-fuck-3/?from=related2&al=1&from_id=191106
ES
Has anyone hear from Sugar Baba. He has gone silent for a long time. I saw some of his videos posted on you porn quite a while back. You could tell from his voice on the video and also his infamous green checkered bedsheets. Sugar Baba, if you are reading this, it is time to come out of retirement and give us more of your pick of ho's.
Just found this interesting note on another forum. I am sure this does not only apply to China, so I post it here.
Loveasiangirls
08-02-08, 16:46
Just found this interesting note on another forum. I am sure this does not only apply to China, so I post it here.
This has always been the case in China. I have seen this in every hotel I was in. It is not really enforced or you just register your guest. No big deal.
Actually, i think i have seen tis notice in hotels all over the world.
This has always been the case in China. I have seen this in every hotel I was in. It is not really enforced or you just register your guest. No big deal.
Actually, i think i have seen tis notice in hotels all over the world.In theory this rule has always been there, but not been enforced.
Today I heard that they have been checking through luggage on the subway in Shanghai. It looks like China is run under the state of emergency in this month.
Anyone have a supplier for Cialis in Shanghai they can share with me?
ES
A couple of months ago one of our fellow IGS brothers send me PM asking about living conditions in Shanghai as he was relocating here. One thing led to another and we began exchanging info on freebies, mostly from CFF. We would share progress reports and agreed that if one of us is getting close the other would back off. I even shared some sex pics of some of my former freebies and tips on how to get them in the sack.
All has gone well until yesterday. One of the freebies I have been doing for several months I was thinking about dropping. I told him if I did I would tell him first. Well guess what, she called me today and told me she got a message from him on CFF today wanting to try to start a relationship. Strange that she knew him because she was in my apartment and saw where he had sent a 'wink' a couple of months ago. I asked if she wanted to chat with him (she does not know that I know him) and she said "absolutely not, too fat".
Guess it is a good idea not to share anything with Buddy Fu**er . I think his handle here is Juan DePussy.
ES
Hi, as you may know, because of the Olympics, getting the ol' F visa is almost imposible now.
My initial attempt at getting my Z Visa got rejected.
I am currently out of China, and in need to get a long term (like 1 yr) visa into China ASAP. My city of residence will be Beijing, but I would consider going else where in China to do my visa.
This time, I am going to set up a company in China, a WFOE own by me. I ust need a visa to get in to china to actually start the work. If you know how to do it, or runners/agent that are available for help, please send some info my way.
My nationality is Malaysia, according to my current agent, Malaysia seems to be "grey" (less than black) listed as not so friendly country.
Thanks.
SE Asia Joe
08-12-08, 04:22
just read the following in the kansai, japan thread about how foreigners in japan should act when partaking of our hobby there - and not a peep from anybody about "they're just wg's why should we treat these wxxxx...s so great?" or "i pay and thus entitled to ..." etc. can you imagine the reaction of such a post on the china boards?
just a reminder that just because you're mongering in china, don't mean that you're entitled to act like a bsd.... the way i've witnessed some acting here.
fact is that i've seen some pretty atrocious behavior by foreign mongers in lots of localities i.e. thailand, philippines, vietnam, cambodia, indonesia etc but not in japan - why????!!!
seaj
hi. you may all remember me as the guy who had a terrible call rate at tobita. "had" being the operative word here.
i went last night for the first time in a little while. my last time, i got to go with a true master - just watching him work the streets was an incredible lesson from the pros. i decided to try and emulate his tactics, see if i couldn't improve my call rates. and let me tell you, it worked wonderfully! there were, of course, girls who immediately looked away and were impossible, but forget them - i had about a 60-70% success ratio going. some of the mamasan would look away, or start to snicker, but a simple smile and "konban wa" was the perfect disarming tool, and once that happened i was just another potential customer.
i walked up the main street once slowly, just smiling and making eye contact, mentally marking girls i liked. i found two - an absolute stunner in one shop, and a girl wearing a nurse's outfit with a really cute smile in another. i came back down the street to get a better look at them both, then decided on the stunner. while the mamasan never called out to me, i simply walked up, smiled, and gave a konban wa. then the mamasan asked if i'd like to come in. from here, both she and the girl started to realize i could handle myself in japanese - but at this point i'd already gotten in with little more than a smile, eye contact, and a simple greeting.
the girl (forgot her name!) is, without question, the hottest woman i have ever experienced. if you don't mind fake tits, an absolute 10. i was a bit surprised to find that she offered the 15 minute, 11,000 yen course - most shops on the main street don't. i opted for 20 minutes, and boy was i glad that i did! i could tell the exact point at which she genuinely started to enjoy herself as well, and i'm pretty sure she got off too. she had a mirror at the head of the futon perfectly positioned for doggy, and in between looking down at her nice ass, and then looking in the mirror at the rest of her, i was in heaven! she worked hard to get me off within the time - after cleanup we talked some more. i'll defininitely be paying her a visit again soon!
as i left the shop, the mamasan was extremely friendly to me. even the new girl sitting out front, also a hottie, seemed interested in me. i started to make my way out of tobita, but i couldn't get the other girl out of my mind, the one in the nurse's outfit with the great smile. i actually doubled back (making sure to avoid the shop i'd just been in), but i found that the nurse girl wasn't quite as attractive as i'd remembered - i think having experienced near-perfection before this poor girl suffered in the process. oh well, that works better for my wallet. as i walked, many more mamasan were actively calling out to me. i greeted them, smiled, and gave them a friendly "next time".
i haven't done a whole lot of mongering in tokyo, so i'm not really familiar with the scene out there, but i think that if you know where to go, osaka can definintely compete. i'm content.
and on that note - the isg is certainly a wonderful resource, i know i wouldn't have found my favorite spots without it. and i know there are a lot of people reading who aren't necessarily posting. i'm not sure what went down at toukaen, but something apparently made them change their policy from "hey, all foreigners ok!" to "no foreigners allowed!" for us foreigners, mongering in japan is not a privilege. there are many things that japanese men can get away with and we can't. that's why we have to be at the top of our game. finding a place that we can actually go to means that either the tencho or girls are open-minded and ok with us, or some monger before you has paved the way. let's not ruin these resources for ourselves, those who came before us, and those who may come after us.
some basic, common sense stuff -
- always be polite and friendly. treat not only the girl, but other staff there as well, with respect.
- even if you feel the girl/shop ripped you off or gave you terrible service, don't get angry/belligerant there. pay them, leave, and then come back here and write a rep001hing report about it. vent to us, not them. your anger towards them won't make them think "man, i feel bad about shafting this guy!" instead, they'll think "of course, we shouldn't service foreigners here." remember, we're not awarded the same luxuries as the locals.
also, remember that when you play, you're not just playing with the girl you choose/was given to you, in essence you're playing with the whole shop. if you feel that her service is terrible and you start chewing her out for it, or you start making demands she doesn't really want to acquiese to, she's going to go back to her tencho and the other girls and tell them that foreigners make for terrible customers.
hits and misses are just a part of the industry. striking out with one girl may not mean the whole shop is bad, and striking out at one shop may not mean the entire area is bad; yet your behavior with one girl can influence your treatment at the whole shop, and your behavior at one shop can influence your treatment in the entire area. and not just for you - but for all of us as well.
- don't go anywhere in big groups of foreign guys. foreigners draw attention here in japan, and these businesses operate on the down-low. the police will look the other way a lot regarding this business, but if a shop starts to get showy, then they'll be forced to make moves. this goes double for foreign-to-foreign p2p. as my tencho friend yoshi explained to me, the cops attitude is "neither the girl or john are japanese; why are they doing this on japanese soil? go back to your own country and do that there!" even if you are by yourself, but you see the cops loitering around a place you want to go to, you may want to lay low and play it safe.
- learn some basic japanese. you don't need to be fluent, but just a few conversational phrases to help things along. good evening, how much, how long, thank you for the service, etc. it will go a long way.
its unfair in that i suspect many, if not most japanese customers, are guilty of many of the things above. rude, pushy, inconsiderate japanese guys get to have their behavior only affect them - while we're affected on the whole. however, we can actually turn this around to our favor. because the japanese guys can be so gruff, the girls and tencho may be more appreciative of a nice, polite customer - especially the girl. and that will translate into wonderful service and quirks. and open more doors to places that we couldn't go otherwise. the mongering industry in japan will treat you well if you treat it well first.
just my two cents. i figure most of the forum regulars know this already, so i hope that some of the lurkers read this and take it to heart. i want to report about nice new places i've found and not worry about whether some guy who found the place thanks to my report is going to ruin it for all of us.
seconded, thirded, fouthed to infinity. agreed. joe demonstrating his usual sense of insight. those who act like animals pls stay in your dog house at home and not bring it here. shit in your own backyard where every dog smells his own dirt first. nobody likes cleaning sombody else's dirt.
pls show respect. sw, bbs, sauna, ktv gals & er nai are service providers. good service begets high respect.
for those fuming at me you may like to ponder that some of these gals come from backgrounds and situations that you could never fathom much less understand. its scary sometimes. they are doing the best they can with what they have at their disposal in a culture and world that gives them little or no breaks. so a little respect goes a long way to helping them see its not the whole world just their world that is cold and hard on the outside while they are so soft on the inside.
not saying anybody should be a sucker either. just be grown up and responsible realising that your actions go beyond yourself as a single isolated individual. i am not looking to buy them either just rent them or a very paricularly small part of them for a while. but it is another human being that i am with.
just read the following in the kansai, japan thread about how foreigners in japan should act when partaking of our hobby there - and not a peep from anybody about "they're just wg's why should we treat these wxxxx...s so great?" or "i pay and thus entitled to ..." etc. can you imagine the reaction of such a post on the china boards?
just a reminder that just because you're mongering in china, don't mean that you're entitled to act like a bsd.... the way i've witnessed some acting here.
fact is that i've seen some pretty atrocious behavior by foreign mongers in lots of localities i.e. thailand, philippines, vietnam, cambodia, indonesia etc but not in japan - why????!!!
seaj
SE Asia Joe
08-14-08, 07:40
Seconded, thirded, fouthed to infinity. Agreed.
Pls show respect. SW, BBS, Sauna, KTV gals & Er Nai are service providers. Good service begets high respect.
Wapec - thanks for your vote of confidence.
I've posted some remarks on the Zhuhai thread for you and for those who may want to further examine their own conscience on our favorite hobby. Please bear with me and Mucho gracias
SEAJ
Starchild2012
08-14-08, 21:20
Dump Q..What is CFF..
I searched & RTFF some pages back..but i gues everyone knows it...
I guess its a dating site..Google did not gave any results.
Thanks
Loveasiangirls
08-14-08, 22:16
Dump Q..What is CFF..
I searched & RTFF some pages back..but i gues everyone knows it...
I guess its a dating site..Google did not gave any results.
Thanks
CFF is Chinese Friend Finder
AFF sometimes refers to Adult Friend Finder or Asian Friend Finder
AFF is often blocked in China while CFF is not
Just wonder if any of you CCF Freebie guys have done this lady. Kinda nice looking for a 42 Y/O but I cant seem to get a response.
I did NOT take the pic, I lifted them from her profile on CFF. More pics in the Shanghai thread
ES
Do sites like CFF really work?
I always thought that most of the girls on the websites are made up profiles. If they really work is it usually easy to chat some one up. This is always something I wanted to try but am a little hesitant.
Loveasiangirls
08-15-08, 05:59
Do sites like CFF really work?
I always thought that most of the girls on the websites are made up profiles. If they really work is it usually easy to chat some one up. This is always something I wanted to try but am a little hesitant.
Adult Friend Finder is more explicit and direct about sex. The girls often have explicit pics there. There are not so many from China and it is difficult to get to from China (often blocked). These girls don't answer e-mails too often.
Asian Friend Finder or Chinese Friend Finder (same as far as I can tell, just different entry point) is more about dating so it requires more work to weed out the ones looking for a husband or the so-called traditional ones. I posted a profile with photos, got a gold membership (your profile appears at the top) and I never had to contact anyone. I just answered the many e-mails messages that I got. Then move to MSN to screen them.
Definitely worth it but needs some work.
I've been thinking about a trip to Shanghai at some point, so I thought I'd RTFF and do my research. But there are a few things I don't understand, and I can't seem to find a "for newbies" post or anything like that.
What are BBS and KTV? Also, RMB would be renminbi, but. Are the prices cited really the prices in RMB, or are there a few zeroes knocked off? If they're just normal prices. That's amazing!
Adult Friend Finder is more explicit and direct about sex. The girls often have explicit pics there. There are not so many from China and it is difficult to get to from China (often blocked). These girls don't answer e-mails too often.
Asian Friend Finder or Chinese Friend Finder (same as far as I can tell, just different entry point) is more about dating so it requires more work to weed out the ones looking for a husband or the so-called traditional ones. I posted a profile with photos, got a gold membership (your profile appears at the top) and I never had to contact anyone. I just answered the many e-mails messages that I got. Then move to MSN to screen them.
Definitely worth it but needs some work.
Thanks for telling us that these websites actually works. I have a few questions, hope you could answer them :)
1) Do you post your photo on it?
2) Are you a Caucasian?
I just want to know if the messages you get is because you are one of the above, or just being a gold member. I have an account and never gotten a message at all.
TenthFloor
08-15-08, 08:43
First of all: I didn't do her, but it reminded me of my experience with CFF here in Beijing.
I did write to a few 40+ yrs old ladies in Beijing and never got a reply. All these profiles included several photos of good quality. The ladies, of course not young, but very good looking. Body shapes like former models. I did write either English or Chinese depending on the profiles language. In my mail I never talked about sex, attached my own photo (50 years, not bad looking, smiling face), talked about my good job and my admiration of Chinese culture and Chinese women. What the f..k do these women want, if not a guy like me! My conclusion is that these profiles are fake.
Now I can tell the good from the bad profiles and don't bother anymore. Before brothers starts to pity me: The return rate on the real profiles is rather high and I have occasionally to switch of my profile to enjoy playing.
Just wonder if any of you CCF Freebie guys have done this lady. Kinda nice looking for a 42 Y/O but I cant seem to get a response.
I did NOT take the pic, I lifted them from her profile on CFF. More pics in the Shanghai thread
ES
First of all: I didn't do her, but it reminded me of my experience with CFF here in Beijing.
I did write to a few 40+ yrs old ladies in Beijing and never got a reply. All these profiles included several photos of good quality. The ladies, of course not young, but very good looking. Body shapes like former models. I did write either English or Chinese depending on the profiles language. In my mail I never talked about sex, attached my own photo (50 years, not bad looking, smiling face), talked about my good job and my admiration of Chinese culture and Chinese women. What the f..k do these women want, if not a guy like me! My conclusion is that these profiles are fake.
Now I can tell the good from the bad profiles and don't bother anymore. Before brothers starts to pity me: The return rate on the real profiles is rather high and I have occasionally to switch of my profile to enjoy playing.I wouldn't let it get you down mate. Part of it may be due to men spoiling them too much and part of it may be cultural difference...mate. If you haven't noticed, most 40 year old woman in China, still believe they are 15 years old. :)
Loveasiangirls
08-15-08, 22:15
Thanks for telling us that these websites actually works. I have a few questions, hope you could answer them :)
1) Do you post your photo on it?
2) Are you a Caucasian?
I just want to know if the messages you get is because you are one of the above, or just being a gold member. I have an account and never gotten a message at all.
Yes I have some photos there. I think it makes a ton of difference, especially if you are not bad looking. I am white and early 50s. Most ladies that get in touch with me are between 33 and 45, and look 10 years younger than their age. As I said, i rarely bother writing to anybody, just answering mail keeps me busy enough.
My gold membership has expired and I am now a regular member as I am not active there currently (I have enough gals in the pipeline). As a regular member I rarely get messages any more. I got 2 this week but they were the first ones in a month. But the combination of photos and gold membership wwas very productive.
Also, if you have an old profile there, do not use it, create a new one. Some ladies will ask you why you are a member since 2005 and still on the site!!!
Yes I have some teaching to do. She says she is open minded and has already agreed to swallow my cum. Since she has never even had a finger in her ass I will have to work on that after a few sessions. Get her hot with DATY and rim her with a finger--progress to slipping it in--and finally get my cock up her virgin ass. Down that before with quite a few woman--so it just is a slower process. Mostly I assumed that since the one baby rule there was more anal and oral sex here.Wow I hit the jackpot. This woman was made for sex. Her clit is wider than my thumb and pussy is so tight you can not miss it. Turns out her exhusband only had reg sex with her which meant, rub the clit 30 seconds, stick the dick in and after 2 minutes pop. He might kiss her down there 10 seconds if she was lucky, and when she sucked him she never even tasted his come. Well that all changed for me. By the time I went down on her she was ready to pop and pop she did---1 minute later. When I gave her a moment to enjoy she was shocked that I kept at it. 30 minutes later she popped 5 times. Never popped more than once before. So when I finally stopped she was ready to do anything I asked. So started with a nice BJ long and slow and when I filled her mouth she smiled and swallowed it all. Since I took a half viagra--I was still hard and she was amazed and rode me like never before--constantly waiting for me to stop but with that little pill I am like a pole after I pop. Turned her around and grabbed some lube and while she was doing reverse cowgirl--something she never did before, I started rimming her with a finger and slowly slide it in--wow what a ride started after that. Then two fingers and then slowly three--my cock size. Got her into mish and her eyes were rolling over as she could not beleive what was going on. Spread the legs, had her hold them high and asked if she was ready for the cock in her ass and all she could say was shi de shi de. Slowly slid in in and she was so tight--only a deep moan at this point. All the way in slow all the way out slow a few times and then when she was ready--she got the ass fuck of a lifetime. After I popped in her ass she just looked at me and her eyes were tearing with joy. The next morning she wakes me up--licks my cock for a while and says fuck me in the ass again please my mei guo boyfriend. I think I am in love..-at least for a week or so. I never had a girl come so many times and in one night get a virgin blowjob and assfuck. Welcome to China.
Yes I have some photos there. I think it makes a ton of difference, especially if you are not bad looking. I am white and early 50s. Most ladies that get in touch with me are between 33 and 45, and look 10 years younger than their age. As I said, i rarely bother writing to anybody, just answering mail keeps me busy enough.
My gold membership has expired and I am now a regular member as I am not active there currently (I have enough gals in the pipeline). As a regular member I rarely get messages any more. I got 2 this week but they were the first ones in a month. But the combination of photos and gold membership wwas very productive.
Also, if you have an old profile there, do not use it, create a new one. Some ladies will ask you why you are a member since 2005 and still on the site!!!
Thanks for your clarification.
We definately need a freebie thread. How does someone tell Jackson about it?
There now is scientific proof for what we've always known: They actually look prettier after you had some drinks, a study warns:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26205250
Careful, you may wake up with a double hangover.
Starchild2012
08-17-08, 12:27
CFF is Chinese Friend Finder
AFF sometimes refers to Adult Friend Finder or Asian Friend Finder
AFF is often blocked in China while CFF is not
Thanks for the reply. I will try my luck over there :)
I'm writing a guide covering what I know about online freebees, it's turning into a book. I'll post it when done.
With the proxi I'm using, I can't post...
Put simply, Be Careful at CFF! It's addicting, productive & gives Many headaches!
Time is the main thing. Time to search, write, chat... & Mostly to learn who to chase & what to say.
What has been posted already by others, I'll agree with fully.
On of our Bros on another thread posted this ladies pic stating how good she is.
Hmmmm, I love being in Shanghai and not where he is.
ES
On of our Bros on another thread posted this ladies pic stating how good she is.
Hmmmm, I love being in Shanghai and not where he is.
ESEagle,
Please edit your posting. Next time you post a pic like that, please put a warning in your post that "you may experience vision problems and nightmares after viewing this pic. View at your own discretion".
JadeWarrior
08-20-08, 19:17
Why slag others?
Have you nothing better to do?
It only reflects badly on yourselves.
OldAsiaHand
08-21-08, 04:55
ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
I enjoy your freebie pics and contributions to this forum, however, I will also say there are girls you have done, that I would not and vice versa.
I agree with JadeWarrior that we should not slag others on this board. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion and taste.
I also agree with you that we are fortunate to be in China with an abundant supply of pussy compared with other places. The pic you posted may be the best available in the poster's location. Who knows?
Just my POV.
OAH
On of our Bros on another thread posted this ladies pic stating how good she is.
Hmmmm, I love being in Shanghai and not where he is.
ES
ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
I enjoy your freebie pics and contributions to this forum, however, I will also say there are girls you have done, that I would not and vice versa.
I agree with JadeWarrior that we should not slag others on this board. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion and taste.
I also agree with you that we are fortunate to be in China with an abundant supply of pussy compared with other places. The pic you posted may be the best available in the poster's location. Who knows?
Just my POV.
OAH
I did not and am not slamming the guy. You may be right that she is the best available. My point is only that I am glad I am here and not there.
ES
ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
The pic you posted may be the best available in the poster's location. Who knows?
Just my POV.
OAH
I think the picture was taken in my hometown, where she would rate as a 7 to 8.
"One man's junk is another man's treasure."
Ice Dragon
08-21-08, 18:03
Adult Friend Finder is more explicit and direct about sex. The girls often have explicit pics there. There are not so many from China and it is difficult to get to from China (often blocked). These girls don't answer e-mails too often.
Asian Friend Finder or Chinese Friend Finder (same as far as I can tell, just different entry point) is more about dating so it requires more work to weed out the ones looking for a husband or the so-called traditional ones. I posted a profile with photos, got a gold membership (your profile appears at the top) and I never had to contact anyone. I just answered the many e-mails messages that I got. Then move to MSN to screen them.
Definitely worth it but needs some work.Now we've had to learn to use proxies, we can also access AFF again, thank you mister Hu!
fz
ES,
Quality is relative to taste and availability. As they say, "one man's meat is another man's poison".
OAH
One man's dog is another man's darling.
I kind of admire guys who can do very ugly women. Any guy can do a pretty girl but it takes a "real man" to do an ugly one.
TenthFloor
08-22-08, 08:50
.............If you haven't noticed, most 40 year old woman in China, still believe they are 15 years old. :)
Mate, not my experience, mate.
Nor mine. An older gal in good condition is more inclined to be grateful, enjoy and remember a joyful encounter than a 20 year old.
Mate, not my experience, mate.
Nor mine. An older gal in good condition is more inclined to be grateful, enjoy and remember a joyful encounter than a 20 year old.I meant their behaviour, not the sex. :P The oldest women I have screwed was 50 plus and she is good fuck indeed.
Nor mine. An older gal in good condition is more inclined to be grateful, enjoy and remember a joyful encounter than a 20 year old.What exactly do you mean by " good condition" I'm guessing it's not their mental condition. I once met a "40 plus" year old women who would mock western fashion, walk around in a fairy godmother frock, yet refused to shave her arm pits. I couldn't do her. Such a turn off.
I'm not quite sure what women you guys have met, although. I was out last night with some western and asian guys and it seems that we have bumped into a few mentally unstable "mature women". It could be due to the "stale cake" mentality that they have here. If that is true, then perhaps, I can understand.
I have a simple approach to the age questions:
Under 18 protected by law while over 65 protected by nature and ANYWHERE in between is fair game :D
Wushu I hear you dude and feel your pain. Equally, if you've ever done an over fifty tai tai whose hubby is off with a twenty something mistress you might just find you'll have an outer body experience. The gal I did just didn't want to stop ...... there must have been a warehouse of cobwebs down there to be spring cleaned. Plus at that age you don't have all the honey pot crap to deal with - they just want to be with you, be flattered and have torrid sex.
All I am saying is don't discount the opportunity of finding a diamond in the rough.
What exactly do you mean by " good condition" I'm guessing it's not their mental condition. I once met a "40 plus" year old women who would mock western fashion, walk around in a fairy godmother frock, yet refused to shave her arm pits. I couldn't do her. Such a turn off.
I'm not quite sure what women you guys have met, although. I was out last night with some western and asian guys and it seems that we have bumped into a few mentally unstable "mature women". It could be due to the "stale cake" mentality that they have here. If that is true, then perhaps, I can understand.
I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?
It's because they are wearing sports bras, rather than padded bras.
I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?
Come on guys we all know about the "feiji zhan" types. There is a selection process where small boobs get favoured because then the centre of gravity is around the woman's waist not between her chest and waist.
Still I'd fuck a few of them even if I couldn't physically keep up with them :D Wouldn't you ?
I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?
Come on guys we all know about the "feiji zhan" types. There is a selection process where small boobs get favoured because then the centre of gravity is around the woman's waist not between her chest and waist.
Still I'd fuck a few of them even if I couldn't physically keep up with them :D Wouldn't you ?Guys,
If anyone is looking for big boobies. You are on the wrong continent. Asian just do not have that robust titties gene in our genetics in most of the population. We also lack the "big butt" gene. As for complexion and skin silkiness. Well we got most of the continent beat by a long shot.
I have noticed that most of the female athletes in the olympics are flat chested. They have feminate faces but masculin bodies.
Is that because of genetics, surgery, training, or hormonal engineering?
You could call it genetics, as lots of Chinese girls are flat chested. In any case it would be difficult for any female athletes/gymnasts to manage a pair of 38FF on the track or doing a floor routine; they may hurt themselves or the others!
They Also looks younger than they actually are, but again its a eastern/oriental thing.
As Wapec said, its hard to keep up with them! So enjoy!
Folks
On my last trip to China encountered some problems accessing ISG. The first time that I've encountered this. Had some advice from a few solid guys on the ISG but none really satisfactory.
For dear of raking up dirt and receiving a RTFF, I have a request for some specific help. I generally run Firefox v3.0 (on both Windows & Linux boh 32 and 64 bit) and would like to know peoples feedback on TOR, Foxy Proxy and some of the other Fireox add-ons. These seem to be both annomyizers and VPN type proxyesque solutions.
Moody have seen your post on TOR and it looks promising.
What I am hoping for is one of these will have updated proxy / vpn lists that stay ahead of the Chinese blocking efforts so I have a trouble free auto protected future proof solution. And yes I do like to have my cake and eat it......
Appreciate the patience and tolerance on an old but much discussed topic.
\W
Folks
On my last trip to China encountered some problems accessing ISG. The first time that I've encountered this. Had some advice from a few solid guys on the ISG but none really satisfactory.
For dear of raking up dirt and receiving a RTFF, I have a request for some specific help. I generally run Firefox v3.0 (on both Windows & Linux boh 32 and 64 bit) and would like to know peoples feedback on TOR, Foxy Proxy and some of the other Fireox add-ons. These seem to be both annomyizers and VPN type proxyesque solutions.
Moody have seen your post on TOR and it looks promising.
What I am hoping for is one of these will have updated proxy / vpn lists that stay ahead of the Chinese blocking efforts so I have a trouble free auto protected future proof solution. And yes I do like to have my cake and eat it......
Appreciate the patience and tolerance on an old but much discussed topic.
\W
I am successfully using WiTopia. Cost $40.00 on line.
ES
It's because they are wearing sports bras, rather than padded bras.
Oh, ok.
Well now I know what I want for Christmas. Sports bra please! :D
With your droopy tits it won't go to waste !
Have a gander at www.redtube.com/330 add a milenium and you have Santa tarted up.
Well now I know what I want for Christmas. Sports bra please! :D
SE Asia Joe
08-24-08, 08:58
Damn Damn Damn!!!
Just had a session using 003 Platinum Okamoto and the Damn thing broke!
Cain't believe this - in this day and age to have condom failure! And suppossedly manufactured by a reliable Japanese condom maker!
I bought it at Watson's Hong Kong and thus very sure its genuine - and the expiry date is 03/2013! But come to think of it - that's FIVE (5) years from now! Wonder how long its been on the shelf?? Besides which, what if you had bought this packet in 2012? Wouldn't you think that its pretty fresh/OK to use??
OK, the gal was tight - very tight - and I did "enjoy" her for quite a while - but Hell - this is ridiculous to have condom failure in this day and age!!
Guys - BEWARE!!!!
SEAJ
SEAJ
Have a look at the 002 'cos they're non-latex polyurethane which is strong than latex, can take oil based lubs, and can be made thinner.
I sometimes use the Durex Avanti but Durex sometimes have a problem unfolding the whole length of your todger.
JMPOV
Damn Damn Damn!!!
Just had a session using 003 Platinum Okamoto and the Damn thing broke!
Cain't believe this - in this day and age to have condom failure! And suppossedly manufactured by a reliable Japanese condom maker!
I bought it at Watson's Hong Kong and thus very sure its genuine - and the expiry date is 03/2013! But come to think of it - that's FIVE (5) years from now! Wonder how long its been on the shelf?? Besides which, what if you had bought this packet in 2012? Wouldn't you think that its pretty fresh/OK to use??
OK, the gal was tight - very tight - and I did "enjoy" her for quite a while - but Hell - this is ridiculous to have condom failure in this day and age!!
Guys - BEWARE!!!!
SEAJ
Sukhumvitter
08-25-08, 00:46
Folks
On my last trip to China encountered some problems accessing ISG. The first time that I've encountered this. Had some advice from a few solid guys on the ISG but none really satisfactory.
For dear of raking up dirt and receiving a RTFF, I have a request for some specific help. I generally run Firefox v3.0 (on both Windows & Linux boh 32 and 64 bit) and would like to know peoples feedback on TOR, Foxy Proxy and some of the other Fireox add-ons. These seem to be both annomyizers and VPN type proxyesque solutions.
Moody have seen your post on TOR and it looks promising.
What I am hoping for is one of these will have updated proxy / vpn lists that stay ahead of the Chinese blocking efforts so I have a trouble free auto protected future proof solution. And yes I do like to have my cake and eat it......
Appreciate the patience and tolerance on an old but much discussed topic.
\W
I started with anonymouse dot org, then went to TurboHide dot com, but I am not 100% using WiTopia. 40 USD per year = hellava deal
Not only does it let you browse filtered websites in China, but it keeps your data safe while using WiFi hotspots (like Starbucks) anywhere, so it has value even in western countries.
As an experiment, I went to download dot com and searched for a wifi sniffer program, downloaded a free trial, and sat in Starbucks here in China and saw all the web browsing of the people sitting around me. Scary!
Play safe boys!
SE Asia Joe
08-25-08, 07:05
SEAJ
Okamoto
Have a look at the 002 'cos they're non-latex polyurethane which is strong than latex, can take oil based lubs, and can be made thinner.
I sometimes use the Durex Avanti but Durex sometimes have a problem unfolding the whole length of your todger.
JMPOVFYI - 002 are NOT Okamoto - they are Sagami
SEAJ
SEAJ
Damn you're right and they're tight. No ? Sagami it is. Key point is that they are polyurethane and inherently stronger which allows them to be thinner. Enjoy ...
What I liked is that you can feel the body temperature of your partner through them when you're on the job. Take the time to try this.
Any luck chatting up the chicks at Watsons or Mannings ? The birth control area is always a ripe place to strike up a conversation and ask for advice :D
\W
FYI - 002 are NOT Okamoto - they are Sagami
SEAJ
Godfather2
08-27-08, 14:55
Hie All,
Can Anyone Give Me An Idea, If The Visa Norms Have Been Eased Now, Since The Olympics Have Finished.
I Plan To Go To Hongkong From Mainland And Try To Get A Visa From There To Travel Back To China, As My Return Flight Would Be From China Mainland.i Have Just One Day Biz In Hongkong.
Please Advice,
Godfather2
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Hi Godfather2,
I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...
Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!
Jackson
Hie All,
Can Anyone Give Me An Idea, If The Visa Norms Have Been Eased Now, Since The Olympics Have Finished.
I Plan To Go To Hongkong From Mainland And Try To Get A Visa From There To Travel Back To China, As My Return Flight Would Be From China Mainland.i Have Just One Day Biz In Hongkong.
Please Advice,
Godfather2
A friend applied for a visa in Hong Kong eariler this week and was told he could only get a double entry tourist visa, valid for 15 days. It seems the restrictions are still in place.
Loveasiangirls
08-28-08, 04:38
Hie All,
Can Anyone Give Me An Idea, If The Visa Norms Have Been Eased Now, Since The Olympics Have Finished.
I Plan To Go To Hongkong From Mainland And Try To Get A Visa From There To Travel Back To China, As My Return Flight Would Be From China Mainland.i Have Just One Day Biz In Hongkong.
Please Advice,
Godfather2
======================================
Hi Godfather2,
I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...
Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!
Jackson
Actually, the olympics are not finished. Para-olympics are taking place now.
I didn't have any problems getting my standard issue 1 year multiple entry (60 days at one time) visa in my home country in the middle of August. Of course it helped having one prior visa on the same passport.
Chuckster007
08-29-08, 10:37
The most you can get is a double entry visa at the moment in HK. To get this you need to provide a lot of documents, eg. hotel bookings, flight tickets. etc. it is a pain in the arse for people without visa's. Things will only get back to normal in October.
just got a single entry tourist visa but only valid 20 days down from 30...not happy thats only 2/3 the number of actual entries
just got a single entry tourist visa but only valid 20 days down from 30...not happy thats only 2/3 the number of actual entriesIf you don't have a passport from one of the 33 countries on the list, I knoiw a travel agent in HK who can get a double einty 2x30 days within one day without any documents. PM me for details, please mention your nationality.
Price 800 HK$ for those countries wiythout surcharge (This price includes that they take care of flight and hotel booking and cancellation thereafter).
hello, can anyone tell me what the monthly salary for an average secretary and an average factory worker in China would be?
For comparison purposes. I am planning a trip to China early next year.
Gangles
hello, can anyone tell me what the monthly salary for an average secretary and an average factory worker in China would be?
For comparison purposes. I am planning a trip to China early next year.
Gangles
It all depends on what city. Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou for example will be considerably more than in Guizhou province or other such more rural areas.
A simple Google search reveals this.
http://www.payscale.com/research/CN/Country=China/Salary
ES
sea joe and wapac,
i am interested in the reports you posted about the poly-condoms. as self serving as this may sound (with no foundation i might add), i am wondering about the sizing of the chinese comdoms. when i am out of the country i try to stock up because i heard thru the grapevine that the asian brands tend to be smaller and maybe less user friendly for us lo wai than some other brands.
it seems that i am developing a reaction to the latex in the brands i have been using and remember trying the poly ones a while back and enjoying the sensation. my only fear was that they might break, and they are also a lot more expensive. (i know, going to ***** about the price of protection now...:-))
now that i know the reason they are so thin and that maybe i can buy them locally, i might give them another test drive.
tia
sky
at the risk of being perceived as a condom expert here goes an outcut from wikipedia. by the way, my expertise is more with using condoms than with their manufacture.
personal experience is that asian made poly condoms are a tighter fit than european or us made. not hugely uncomfortable but noticeable. durex's avanti, however, is designed to european length & width dimensions. both regions easily found in hkg.
wikipedia excerpts (selective):-
materials
natural latex
latex has outstanding elastic properties: its tensile strength exceeds 30 mpa, and latex condoms may be stretched in excess of 800% before breaking.[76] in 1990 the iso set standards for condom production (iso 4074, natural latex rubber condoms), and the eu followed suit with its cen standard (directive 93/42/eec concerning medical devices). every latex condom is tested for holes with an electrical current. if the condom passes, it is rolled and packaged. in addition, a portion of each batch of condoms is subject to water leak and air burst testing.[77]
latex condoms used with oil-based lubricants (e.g. vaseline) are likely to break or slip off due to loss of elasticity caused by the oils.[78]
synthetic
the most common non-latex condoms are made from polyurethane. condoms may also be made from other synthetic materials, such as at-10 resin, and most recently polyisoprene.[79]
polyurethane condoms tend to be the same width and thickness as latex condoms, with most polyurethane condoms between 0.04 mm and 0.07 mm thick.[80] polyurethane is also the material of many female condoms.
polyurethane can be considered better than latex in several ways: it conducts heat better than latex, is not as sensitive to temperature and ultraviolet light (and so has less rigid storage requirements and a longer shelf life), can be used with oil-based lubricants, is less allergenic than latex, and does not have an odor.[81] polyurethane condoms have gained fda approval for sale in the united states as an effective method of contraception and hiv prevention, and under laboratory conditions have been shown to be just as effective as latex for these purposes.[82]
however, polyurethane condoms are less elastic than latex ones, and may be more likely to slip or break than latex,[81][83] and are more expensive.
polyisoprene is a synthetic version of natural rubber latex. while significantly more expensive,[84] it has the advantages of latex (such as being softer and more elastic than polyurethane condoms)[79] without the protein which is responsible for latex allergies.[84]
spermicidal
some latex condoms are lubricated at the manufacturer with a small amount of a nonoxynol-9, a spermicidal chemical. according to consumer reports, spermicidally lubricated condoms have no additional benefit in preventing pregnancy, have a shorter shelf life, and may cause urinary-tract infections in women.[86] in contrast, application of separately packaged spermicide is believed to increase the contraceptive efficacy of condoms.[87]
nonoxynol-9 was once believed to offer additional protection against stds (including hiv) but recent studies have shown that, with frequent use, nonoxynol-9 may increase the risk of hiv transmission.[88] the world health organization says that spermicidally lubricated condoms should no longer be promoted. however, they recommend using a nonoxynol-9 lubricated condom over no condom at all.[89] as of 2005, nine condom manufacturers have stopped manufacturing condoms with nonoxynol-9, planned parenthood has discontinued the distribution of condoms so lubricated,[90] and the food and drug administration has proposed a warning regarding this issue.[91]
in preventing stds
condoms are widely recommended for the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases (stds). they have been shown to be effective in reducing infection rates in both men and women. while not perfect, the condom is effective at reducing the transmission of hiv, genital herpes, genital warts, syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea, and other diseases.[96]
according to a 2000 report by the national institutes of health, correct and consistent use of latex condoms reduces the risk of hiv/aids transmission by approximately 85% relative to risk when unprotected, putting the seroconversion rate (infection rate) at 0.9 per 100 person-years with condom, down from 6.7 per 100 person-years. the same review also found condom use significantly reduces the risk of gonorrhea for men.[97]
a 2006 study reports that proper condom use decreases the risk of transmission for human papillomavirus by approximately 70%.[98] another study in the same year found consistent condom use was effective at reducing transmission of herpes simplex virus-2 also known as genital herpes, in both men and women.[99]
although a condom is effective in limiting exposure, some disease transmission may occur even with a condom. infectious areas of the genitals, especially when symptoms are present, may not be covered by a condom, and as a result, some diseases can be transmitted by direct contact.[100] the primary effectiveness issue with using condoms to prevent stds, however, is inconsistent use.[77]
condoms may also be useful in treating potentially precancerous cervical changes. exposure to human papillomavirus[101], even in individuals already infected with the virus, appears to increase the risk of precancerous changes. the use of condoms helps promote regression of these changes. in addition, researchers in the uk suggest that a hormone in semen can aggravate existing cervical cancer, condom use during sex can prevent exposure to the hormone.[102]
causes of failure
condoms may slip off the penis after ejaculation,[103] break due to improper application or physical damage (such as tears caused when opening the package), or break or slip due to latex degradation (typically from usage past the expration date, improper storage, or exposure to oils). the rate of breakage is between 0.4% and 2.3%, while the rate of slippage is between 0.6% and 1.3%.[97] even if no breakage or slippage is observed, 1–2% of women will test positive for semen residue after intercourse with a condom.[104][105] "double bagging," using two condoms at once, also increases the risk of condom failure.[106][107]
different modes of condom failure result in different levels of semen exposure. if a failure occurs during application, the damaged condom may be disposed of and a new condom applied before intercourse begins - such failures generally pose no risk to the user.[108] one study found that semen exposure from a broken condom was about half that of unprotected intercourse; semen exposure from a slipped condom was about one-fifth that of unprotected intercourse.[109]
standard condoms will fit almost any penis, although many condom manufacturers offer "snug" or "magnum" sizes. some studies have associated larger penises and smaller condoms with increased breakage and decreased slippage rates (and vice versa), but other studies have been inconclusive.[78]
experienced condom users are significantly less likely to have a condom slip or break compared to first-time users, although users who experience one slippage or breakage are more likely to suffer a second such failure.[110] an article in population reports suggests that education on condom use reduces behaviors that increase the risk of breakage and slippage.[111] a family health international publication also offers the view that education can reduce the risk of breakage and slippage, but emphasizes that more research needs to be done to determine all of the causes of breakage and slippage.[78]
among people who intend condoms to be their form of birth control, pregnancy may occur when the user has sex without a condom. the person may have run out of condoms, or be traveling and not have a condom with them, or simply dislike the feel of condoms and decide to "take a chance." this type of behavior is the primary cause of typical use failure (as opposed to method or perfect use failure).[112]
another possible cause of condom failure is sabotage. one motive is to have a child against a partner's wishes or consent.[113] some commercial sex workers report clients sabotaging condoms in retaliation for being coerced into condom use.[114] placing pinholes in the tip of the condom is believed to significantly impact their effectiveness.[105][115]
major manufacturers
one analyst described the size of the condom market as something that "boggles the mind". numerous small manufacturers, nonprofit groups, and government-run manufacturing plants exist around the world.[146] within the condom market, there are several major contributors, among them both for-profit businesses and philanthropic organizations. most large manufacturers have ties to the business that reach back to the end of the 19th century.
* julius schmid, inc. was founded in 1882 and began the shieks and ramses brands of condoms.[147] the london rubber company began manufacturing latex condoms in 1932, under the durex brand.[148] both companies are now part of seton scholl limited.[149]
* youngs rubber company, founded by merle youngs in late nineteenth century america, introduced the trojan line of condoms[150] now owned by church and dwight.[151]
* dunlop rubber began manufacturing condoms in australia in the 1890s. in 1905, dunlop sold its condom-making equipment to one of its employees, eric ansell, who founded ansell rubber. in 1969, ansell was sold back to dunlop.[149] in 1987, english business magnate richard branson contracted with ansell to help in a campaign against hiv and aids. ansell agreed to manufacture the mates brand of condom, to be sold at little or no profit in order to encourage condom use. branson soon sold the mates brand to ansell, with royalty payments made annually to the charity virgin unite.[152] in addition to its mates brand, ansell currently manufactures lifestyles for the u.s. market.[153]
* in 1934 the kokusia rubber company was founded in japan. it is now known as the okamoto rubber manufacturing company.[154]
* in 1970 tim black and philip harvey founded population planning associates (now known as adam & eve). population planning associates was a mail-order business that marketed condoms to american college students. black and harvey used the profits from their company to start a non-profit organization population services international,[155] and harvey later also founded another nonprofit company, dkt international that annually sells millions of condoms at discounted rates in developing countries around the world.[155]
seaj over to you dude ...... as always i defer to your deep and broad expert knowledge of subject matter. also, you've many more years practical hands on experience so to speak !!!
sea joe and wapac,
i am interested in the reports you posted about the poly-condoms. as self serving as this may sound (with no foundation i might add), i am wondering about the sizing of the chinese comdoms. when i am out of the country i try to stock up because i heard thru the grapevine that the asian brands tend to be smaller and maybe less user friendly for us lo wai than some other brands.
it seems that i am developing a reaction to the latex in the brands i have been using and remember trying the poly ones a while back and enjoying the sensation. my only fear was that they might break, and they are also a lot more expensive. (i know, going to ***** about the price of protection now...:-))
now that i know the reason they are so thin and that maybe i can buy them locally, i might give them another test drive.
tia
sky
SE Asia Joe
09-05-08, 09:14
Actually..... I am in San Francisco right now - and only see regular latex condoms at the drug stores. Do they sell Poly condoms here?
And hell, I see that they are now selling actual dildos at regular drug stores here - of course discretely packaged - but hell.... actual dildos ina regular drug store?? My My My!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-05-08, 09:24
Further on condoms; do you guys realize that a lot of Chinese women - both pros as well as regular gals - use condoms solely for contraception? That STD's and hygiene etc is NOT part of the equation?
That being the case, AND THIS ONLY FOR THOSE OF YOU WANTING TO BAREBACK (not me!!) - next time prior to getting a gal, go down to the neighbourhood store and buy those contraceptive films that you stick into their vagina prior to intercourse, and show it to the gal when she shows up.
She usually will most likely go along with bareback sex after you explain what they are and let them read the instructions in chinese herself
And BTW - there ARE some gals who does not know about these contraceptive films - and they really appreciate being taught about this - as then they can go along with their clients to bareback and NOt have to worry about getting pregnant.
And dude - no proselytising about bareback sex and aids and.... Hell some guys insists on ONLY bareback sex (NOT ME by the way) and I'm only posting this info for these guys.
SEAJ
Since we are on the condom topic, shamless plug:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=502229&postcount=4321
Thats a report I did about 2 yrs ago.
My wife (back then GF) is allergy to latex condoms, so, I ended up using non-latex (not sure if this is the poly-latex you guys talk about) in her.
I only tried 2 brands, Durex Avanti and okamoto (forgot name).
Okamoto still suffers the same problem I mentioned in my report. Not enough lube and hard to apply.
Durex Avanti is a little thicker than the usual Durex Featherlite I use. For some reason, my wife prefer it over featherlite. It puzzled my for some time. Until someone in the Kuala Lumpur thread (malaysia), pointed out these new materials actually conducts heat. I guess this is why my wife liked it over featherlite.
But after switching to non-latex condoms, my wife's infection problem is gone. She used to be on the pill, so we did not know until we decide to stop the pill and use condoms (latex), and the infection was there ever since, until I read about non-latex condoms and latex allergy.
In Malaysia (where I am now), I found a new product from Durex, called featherlite Ultimate. Yeah, its thinner, like the 002. But, for some reason, its size is smaller, much smaller than the normal featherlite I got. Didn't like it.
Just my 2 safety caps.
Safe hunting.
PS: went re-read wapec's post, and now I know, thanks. Lazy to edit now. Hmmm..I actually use "European" Size. :D
Went to the New York Consulate to get a new visa (1 year, multiple entries) last week. They are following the requirements listed on their website to the letter - be prepared with letter of invitation from govt, letter from your business in China to "justify" why you need a multiple entry visa, copies of your plane tickets (no problem with e ticket) and hotel reservations - in addition to the correct form, picture, etc. Oh, and bring business cards, they seem to want those, too. But I did get multiple entry 1 yr visa, 90 day max.
The lines were terrible, because when each person got to the window, the person there went over the documents in incredible detail. They were sending people away if they didn't have the right papers. It was mildly amusing at first to watch people try to argue with the agents behind the glass.
This was my annual pilgrimage to the consulate, I'm not a noob at this. But wanted relate my experiences, and to advise that you should follow all the instructions on the consulate website to make sure you can get the visa on the first attempt. Maybe things will go back to normal at the end of September, but not yet...
Fast Eddie 48
09-07-08, 05:37
Went to the New York Consulate to get a new visa (1 year, multiple entries) last week. They are following the requirements listed on their website to the letter - be prepared with letter of invitation from govt, letter from your business in China to "justify" why you need a multiple entry visa, copies of your plane tickets (no problem with e ticket) and hotel reservations - in addition to the correct form, picture, etc. Oh, and bring business cards, they seem to want those, too. But I did get multiple entry 1 yr visa, 90 day max.
The lines were terrible, because when each person got to the window, the person there went over the documents in incredible detail. They were sending people away if they didn't have the right papers. It was mildly amusing at first to watch people try to argue with the agents behind the glass.
This was my annual pilgrimage to the consulate, I'm not a noob at this. But wanted relate my experiences, and to advise that you should follow all the instructions on the consulate website to make sure you can get the visa on the first attempt. Maybe things will go back to normal at the end of September, but not yet...Pheny,
The SF china consulate start offering China business visa again this week cost is 130 usd cost is same for 1 y or 2 yr with company letter ,travel agent in SF chinatown will do it for 150 usd 20 comisson if you buy air ticket from them it will save alot time and headache ,I am not sure about HK they might be still a few week behind will be in HK next week will update.
Fast eddie 48
Hi Fast Eddie,
Also heard from ABCinLA that he was able to get a multiple entry visa during the Olympics with no extra paperwork. So it looks like the situation varies depending on the consulate. In NYC, it is still ultra vigilant.
Best solution is, as you said, find some other way than standing in line yourself! Hopefully things calm down soon, but at least I've got my problem solved til next year!
Cheers,
Phenyl
Pheny,
The SF china consulate start offering China business visa again this week cost is 130 usd cost is same for 1 y or 2 yr with company letter ,travel agent in SF chinatown will do it for 150 usd 20 comisson if you buy air ticket from them it will save alot time and headache ,I am not sure about HK they might be still a few week behind will be in HK next week will update.
Fast eddie 48
Is it true that visas are very hard to get for a woman that is divorced, has a child, and a good job, teacher, family etc. I have been told it is nearly impossible if you have not traveled outside China often.
That being the case, AND THIS ONLY FOR THOSE OF YOU WANTING TO BAREBACK (not me!!)
On the topic of bare-back - you WILL get an infection sooner or later. gonorrea and clamidia are very common in China and often girls have no symptons and pass it on for ages. Or they do a best to their knowledge selfcure with OTC antibiotics, leaving them with a more resistant strain to pass on.
I alwasy use condoms and I got my infection from BB oral. So be warned, it WILL happen.
After that experience I am completely off P4P and only see my non-commercial chat friends. I don't miss P4P anyway as there is little fun in sex with no daty, which I never did with a pro.
On the topic of no-latex condoms: I use Okamoto N.U.D.E. They are very thin and great to use. But because they are very thin they actual pre-roll on roll is very thin too which makes it difficult to put, specially with slippy fingers.
Jude Bright
09-13-08, 17:06
Does anyone has any experience on this web (escortschina.com and hcinaescorts.net) services?
Thanks,
JB
OldAsiaHand
09-14-08, 04:07
Is it true that visas are very hard to get for a woman that is divorced, has a child, and a good job, teacher, family etc. I have been told it is nearly impossible if you have not traveled outside China often.
Bert51:
It is very hard for ordinary Chinese nationals to get a USA visa period. Problem is that they process over 1,000 applications per day and only give the applicant 2 minutes max to make their case. A lot of the visa officers have been burnt by non-returnees, so they lean on the conservative side to cover their asses. If they think there is the slightest chance, they deny.
That said, they are looking for hard evidence for the factors you mention above. Money in the bank with monthly deposits indicating source of income over time, ownership of property, other family members left behind (the child will remain in China), a real job for an extended period of time with a reputable company, etc. All of these are good indicators of the desire to return to China.
One bit of advice: Do not waste your money on the visa agencies located near the consulate in Guangzhou. They have no "relationships" and provide no guarantee of success. They will help fill in the forms, but it looks like you can do that yourself. It can all be done online at the consulate website.
Just my POV.
OAH
P.S. Nobody may accompany the applicant during the interview. She would be on her own. All of the visa officers are fluent in Chinese and have back-up translators, if necessary.
There seems to be a popular card game that is played in the KTV. I don't know the name of the game but as I understand it it is based on variation of poker. It is a game for three people with all cards being dealt including 2 jokers. My question is how is this game played. Can someone explain the basic rules and strategy?
Thanks,
SEAMonger
I have a simple approach to the age questions:
Under 18 protected by law while over 65 protected by nature and ANYWHERE in between is fair game :D
Wushu I hear you dude and feel your pain. Equally, if you've ever done an over fifty tai tai whose hubby is off with a twenty something mistress you might just find you'll have an outer body experience. The gal I did just didn't want to stop ...... there must have been a warehouse of cobwebs down there to be spring cleaned. Plus at that age you don't have all the honey pot crap to deal with - they just want to be with you, be flattered and have torrid sex.
All I am saying is don't discount the opportunity of finding a diamond in the rough.HA-HA.
I won't.
Linkhainan
09-20-08, 11:29
In China, big cities provide good salary but require higher living cost, meanwhile small towns give you litter but also expilot you the less.
BTW, are you for the business trip?
hello, can anyone tell me what the monthly salary for an average secretary and an average factory worker in China would be?
For comparison purposes. I am planning a trip to China early next year.
Gangles
There seems to be a popular card game that is played in the KTV. I don't know the name of the game but as I understand it it is based on variation of poker. It is a game for three people with all cards being dealt including 2 jokers. My question is how is this game played. Can someone explain the basic rules and strategy?
Thanks,
SEAMongerSEAMonger - I beleive the game you are referring to is this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dou_Di_Zhu
B888
LittleGoomba
09-23-08, 09:50
The someone know the URL of the Chinese version of ISG? It was mentioned a while back but I've been unable to find the appropriate post.
SE Asia Joe
09-23-08, 10:39
To identify if a Johnnie Walker Black label is genuine or not, look thru the bottom of the UNOPENED bottle towards a light and you will be able to see a crystal image of Johnny Walker. This was taught to me by a sales rep for the company. (If the bottle OR the content of the bottle is fake, you will NOT be able to see this image).
Question - anybody here know how to identify other genuine liquors like Chivas Regal, Hennessy XO, or.....??
Thank God I've stopped drinking hard liquor and actually cut down my general alcohol consumption drastically - but I betcha there are others here who still love their whiskes and brandies and I betcha this discussion is gonna be useful for them.
I realize its NOT about mongering - but lets face it - alcohol is most time an integral part of the mongering process. So a bit of leeway - OK?
Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-23-08, 11:08
Mainland visa restrictions on foreigners in HK to be lifted
Dennis Eng
Sep 22, 2008
Mainland visa restrictions imposed on foreigners in Hong Kong during the Beijing Olympics last month will be lifted from October 16, travel agents say. The long-awaited move will be a relief to many of the city's foreign businesspeople and tourists, who have been burdened with extra red tape over the past six months as the mainland increased security measures. The mainland has resumed visa-free arrangements for Singaporeans visiting for business or tourism, or transiting within 15 days. Visa-free access for Singaporeans was suspended on July 1.
Paul Leung Yiu-lam, a vice-chairman of the Association of Travel Agents, said the central government might have decided to wait until after the National Day holiday to relax the visa application processes.
Mr Leung said the restrictions had affected many visa arrangements, including the popular "144-hour" visa for groups of at least three tourists visiting Guangdong from Hong Kong by land. The 144-hour visa was banned throughout the Olympics, but would be reinstated from October 16 along with other visas, he said.
European Chamber of Commerce chairman Rafael Gil-Tienda said he had heard from members that visa arrangements would now be at "a different level" following the closing ceremony of the Paralympics.
He said he did not have any first-hand information.
The chamber had been particularly worried and vocal about the impact of the restrictions since learning about six months ago that multiple-entry visas and short-visit visas to Shenzhen would be suspended.
This meant foreigners were restricted to single- or double-entry visas valid for up to three months.
Valid multiple-entry visas were unaffected.
Visa applicants also had to produce advance hotel reservations and return-flight bookings, which proved impractical for businessmen often needing to travel at short notice.
Nationals from 33 countries including South Africa, India, Malaysia, the Philippines and Indonesia were also told they could no longer obtain visas in Hong Kong unless they were residents.
Beijing granted visa-free access to overseas visitors accredited by the International Olympic Committee for a month before and after the Olympic Games. These visitors included journalists, athletes and support staff. The mainland already grants visa-free entry for visits of up to 15 days to citizens of Japan and Brunei.
To identify if a Johnnie Walker Black label is genuine or not, look thru the bottom of the UNOPENED bottle towards a light and you will be able to see a crystal image of Johnny Walker. This was taught to me by a sales rep for the company. (If the bottle OR the content of the bottle is fake, you will NOT be able to see this image).
SEAJ
Well, in China, I am sure the counterfeiters will buy real bottles and reseal them with fake liquor.
Unless the crystal image disappears after the bottle is opened.
SE Asia Joe
09-24-08, 04:28
Well, in China, I am sure the counterfeiters will buy real bottles and reseal them with fake liquor.
Unless the crystal image disappears after the bottle is opened.
That's the beauty of this all. If the contents are fake - the image will NOT appear. Don't ask me how come, but that is what the sales rep told and actually showed me.
SEAJ
P.s. any other "tips" on how to identify genuine articles?
Thanks for the tips SEAJ.
Cooler Wolf2
09-24-08, 12:34
Would be grateful if someone here could pass on details of web/online proxies. The ones I have been using do not allow me to search once in city-specific forums (the little pop-up does not appear).
If you'd rather not post publicly, I'd be very grateful for a PM.
Otherwise, I'll just have to post noob questions on the forums and run the risk of being told to RTFF from the usual suspects! ;)
Thx for any assistance.
Fast Eddie 48
09-26-08, 17:57
That's the beauty of this all. If the contents are fake - the image will NOT appear. Don't ask me how come, but that is what the sales rep told and actually showed me.
SEAJ
P.s. any other "tips" on how to identify genuine articles?SEAJ,
I got an fake one dollar coin when I try to use it a store clerk give it back to me last week in china .it was made out of pastic will bring back to US and show my friend ,I told them about fake 5 dollar bill they didn't believe me next it will me fake toiler paper.
Fast eddie 48
Ice Dragon
09-30-08, 07:22
Mainland visa restrictions imposed on foreigners in Hong Kong during the Beijing Olympics last month will be lifted from October 16, travel agents say. The long-awaited move will be a relief to many of the city's foreign businesspeople and tourists, who have been burdened with extra red tape over the past six months as the mainland increased security measures.I wonder when certain other restrictions will be lifted, everyone else is back to normal, poor old ISG is still in hiding! Perhaps we should think about lobbying Mr Hu!
fz
Flyboy 2000
10-03-08, 13:39
I'll be in Shanghai on business towards the end of October. While the business part of the trip is barely a day, I'm thinking about adding an extra few days of downtime onto this.
Given that I'll be staying only a handful of days all up, and that there's barely three weeks from now until I'm in Shanghai. Well, is it worth trying to develop a few 'friendships' with Shangahai girls online (via chat or 'dating' sites), in order to enjoy some GFE-style company and companionship during those few days, or should I just save my time and energy and hit the P4P scene on arrival?
FWIW, I'm mid-40s, decent looking (but no movie star! ), in average/decent shape. I don't speak Mandarin, though. I wouldn't imagine hitting the nightclubs but could see myself enjoying a young lady's company getting to know the city, and her enjoying the company of a Western 'gentleman'. It'd make for a much more enjoyable time in the city and be far more appealing than P4P (and no, I'm not just thinking this will be a freebie, it's more for the overall experience).
Is that idea totally out of whack given any of what I've outlined about?
You are there for such a short time, why take a chance on a hit or miss. Just pay for it and have fun. You will get a much younger and probably prettier girl since you can pick and choose from maybe 50-80 girls by shopping around so why settle?
I'll be in Shanghai on business towards the end of October. While the business part of the trip is barely a day, I'm thinking about adding an extra few days of downtime onto this.
Given that I'll be staying only a handful of days all up, and that there's barely three weeks from now until I'm in Shanghai. Well, is it worth trying to develop a few 'friendships' with Shangahai girls online (via chat or 'dating' sites), in order to enjoy some GFE-style company and companionship during those few days, or should I just save my time and energy and hit the P4P scene on arrival?
FWIW, I'm mid-40s, decent looking (but no movie star! ), in average/decent shape. I don't speak Mandarin, though. I wouldn't imagine hitting the nightclubs but could see myself enjoying a young lady's company getting to know the city, and her enjoying the company of a Western 'gentleman'. It'd make for a much more enjoyable time in the city and be far more appealing than P4P (and no, I'm not just thinking this will be a freebie, it's more for the overall experience).
Is that idea totally out of whack given any of what I've outlined about?
I would give it a try, if I had such oportunity. You don't have much to loose! If it works, you will have great time. If not, you can still go to any of the bars around and pick up a girl of your choice!
You can try also escort pages (www.chinapass). The girls there are semi pro and I had an excellent GFE with one of them.
Superforce99
10-15-08, 08:45
This might be kind of out of place, but I was wondering if anyone has a good online source to download/trade ebooks. I usually buy physical books in Hong Kong but am turned off by having to pay full suggested retail prices ($10-20 USD for paperbacks, $20-50 for hardcover). I've found some bestselling writers' ebooks online, but general, NY Times bestseller-list type books are hard to find. Any suggestions?
And here's a pic of a sweet gal I did in CP a long long time ago, wonder if anyone has done her or if she's still around?
SF
SE Asia Joe
10-15-08, 09:35
This might be kind of out of place, but I was wondering if anyone has a good online source to download/trade ebooks. I usually buy physical books in Hong Kong but am turned off by having to pay full suggested retail prices ($10-20 USD for paperbacks, $20-50 for hardcover). I've found some bestselling writers' ebooks online, but general, NY Times bestseller-list type books are hard to find. Any suggestions?
And here's a pic of a sweet gal I did in CP a long long time ago, wonder if anyone has done her or if she's still around?
SF
Oh my my my - First wanting to go back and start reading books.... and then trying to connect up with a long lost old flame.
What happened SF - somebody cut you loose and now you're foot-loose and fancy free again?? If so, that's great News actually - one more monger back on the prowl!!
SEAJ
And see you in CP soon ..... \Wapec
This might be kind of out of place, but I was wondering if anyone has a good online source to download/trade ebooks. I usually buy physical books in Hong Kong but am turned off by having to pay full suggested retail prices ($10-20 USD for paperbacks, $20-50 for hardcover). I've found some bestselling writers' ebooks online, but general, NY Times bestseller-list type books are hard to find. Any suggestions?
And here's a pic of a sweet gal I did in CP a long long time ago, wonder if anyone has done her or if she's still around?
SF
I can not access the forum from my hotel. Is there an issue with access restrictions in China?
I can not access the forum from my hotel. Is there an issue with access restrictions in China?
Yes the boys in Beijing have blocked the site in China. Gotta use VPN or a proxy server.
Do a search and you can find info on both.
ES
OldAsiaHand
10-19-08, 17:53
It looks like One Wing Low did not like my latest post on his thread. We exchanged a few PMs below and he must have put me on his Ignore list since I cannot find his forum on the board anymore. Or, has he been banned?
OAH
Re: To losers like you
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Stay off my forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldAsiaHand
Quote:
Originally Posted by One Wing Low
Everything is a fantasy.
OWL,
IMHO, you started out on the board OK. We even invited you into the inner circle in Zhuhai when we first met. You asked me for advice about a freebie in Beijing and I graciously gave it to you. It all went downhill from there.
You started to overpay and brag about it. You attacked my good friends on the board. And, your posts became more and more unbelievable and far-fetched.
Jackson gave you your own thread as a polite way of telling you that you are not wanted on the main board. If you keep up the antagonistic approach you will be banned completely.
Just my POV.
OAH
It looks like One Wing Low did not like my latest post on his thread. We exchanged a few PMs below and he must have put me on his Ignore list since I cannot find his forum on the board anymore. Or, has he been banned?
OAH
Not on my screen either. Maybe he flew away? :( He was an odd bird!
OWL's still there. He's up one level like AG. Here's a link:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2906
His thread is also moderated. I presume it's not him doing the moderating though, or else he would have deleted most if not all the posts in there.
SE Asia Joe
10-20-08, 05:43
It looks like One Wing Low did not like my latest post on his thread.
Re: To losers like you
Stay off my forum.
Hmmmm... the little twit also sent me the same PM.
OK, no problem for me to stay away from HIS forum - but does he really have the right to tell us to stay off it?? I'll just post it in both his forum as well as here!! So there!!
Look-it OWL, you may be able to convince dem Tijuana gals that you're some BSD or ?? And in fact, even some of the posters on the Tijuana thread may be convinced ... thinking that you are Chinese/Taiwanese (I've read questions asking you this). But perhaps you've been eating too much fish tacos and/or raw oysters there!
Look-it, Bigotry in China is ubiquitous - against foreigners, people from different provinces, those on the lower economic scale etc etc In fact discriminations against anything that is not like ourselves.
And the fact of the matter is that you are Vietnamese (or is it Cambodian/ Laotian?)- and not only has there been a series of complications/battles between China and its Southern neighbours, but worse, memories of the Boat People exodus are still fresh in people's minds. Poor, in rags, speaking strange languages; boat people... and there is no worse Chinese discrimination than that against the poor.
So you expect us to believe your Penthouse magazine fairy tales?? Not only have you been busted countless times - but any one looking at you - short, skinny, with thick bottle spectacles - right away thinks of Mad Magazine!! And you actually got the guts to portray yourself as being a real Lothario/Valentino! Heck, of course all of us cain't help it but laugh.... and put you back in your place!
Look-it, your story telling abilities and command of the English language IS good - why don't you use such talent to better and proper use? Like writing TRUE stories, Like not giving us BS - heck in fact, why not everytime you write, why dontcha write a true story and then your fantasy as to what in your mind it should have been. Now, THAT would be great!!
SEAJ
They removed his thread from China and moved the thread up one level to Asia. It's the same level as Macau, India, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Laos etc.
If the stories came from other guys, I might believe them. But OWL has been caught lying and exaggerating too many time. He's a little boy who cried wolf too many time and lost creditability. Oh What a Lier, OWL
I will delete this post is 12 hours.
SE Asia Joe
10-21-08, 05:36
I've noticed that of late there has been a number of these sort of 'exasperating/provocative' type of posts on the ISG China threads i.e. James Chong, Phantasmagoria (in Sugar Baba's thread) etc put up by newbies.
I suspect that there is a guy(s) out there just trying to take the mickey out of all of us.
IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-23-08, 07:37
Retort from our favorite story teller Oh What Lies!!
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In this post you are just showing a lot of your own personal bigotry, prejudice and petty jealousy. Next time try to provide some proofs, like a real educated man, before accusing anyone of lying.
If you cannot get a few beautiful , loving GF's in HK or China without paying, that does not conclusively prove someone else cannot do it.
That just proves you are a stupid loser in your own home land.
Moderator.
1. You've been 'caught out' numerous times for your lies.
2. Moody points out another one of your misinformation (lies??) and you of course revert to character and call it nit picking. You wanted fact and proof - well, that is fact and proof!
3. You are a short, bespectacled old geezer and basically a caricature of the classic dirty old man, PLUS,
4. You are of a nationality generally looked down by the Chinese - not only on racial basis, but worse, on the basis of pure economics. Why would any self respecting gal - especially a Hong Kong gal - want to even be seen with the likes of you?
5. Your statement that she took you to a restaurant in Hong Kong that is cheaper than in Shenzhen shows the kind of low rent dives your "rich Hong Kong gal" goes to. Also, respectable and well off gals in Hong Kong do not go shopping in Shenzhen.... and then spend the night in a massage parlour there. Only old and lower class "zie lie's" do that.
6. On your statement to OAH "....you stop being someone's friend when you start doubting his honesty...." Nobody is doubting you about your honesty - the fact of the matter is that you have shown yourself you to be dishonest.
7. Like I said previously, we ALL KNOW your penchant for telling elaborate and richly adorned tales of exaggeration and outright lies - why don't you use such talent to instead regale us with true stories? Or when you cain't help it and are off again on a tangent/reverting back to form to tell us that is your over active imagination at work again!
8. Your writing IS quite good and I do like your story telling abilities - so why dontcha make such talent to good use instead of....THIS??
Back to you (O)h (W)hat (L)ies.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-23-08, 08:20
Did you guys know that our friend Oh What Lies also has his own Tijuana Thread? On that one he seems 'sober' enough -
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2907
Hmmmmm.....????!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-24-08, 05:38
Retort from our favorite story teller Oh What Lies!!
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1. You've been 'caught out' numerous times for your
SEAJ
Well..... my above post in HIS thread is deleted. I wonder why???!!
But ...... there ain't nuthin' he can do if I post the same thing HERE when posting THRE!!
Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
Guys, I have been using WiTopia VPN for a few months but lately cannot for some reason.
I am use a proxy right now but it is awkward.
Any suggestions for a good inexpensive VPN???
ES
Ace of Spades
10-26-08, 18:55
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I just returned from HK to China.
If you are arriving in HK.
The best place to get a visa to enter China is to go to Chungking Mansion, second block, elevator A.
China Visa Service
It is on the same floor as the New Kowloon Guest and Apple Guest House. In the corner, there is a small office advertising visas for different countries. 750 HK for a double entry visa (I am Canadian). If you submit your passport before 11:00 am, it will be ready at 1:00 pm the next day. I have used this service many times.
My advice is to don't bother saving a few dollars by going to the Chinese governments office in Hk. The lineup will be too long, and also you will spend too much time trying to find the building.
New Kowloon Guest house:
You can get a room for 200 HK, clean, with a tv and shared toilet. Very safe.
Don't bother listening to anybody who tries to offer you a room near the entrance of Chungking mansion. The majority of hostels/guest houses are dirty and run down. Lots of shady characters!
BossLove72
10-27-08, 01:55
Guys, I have been using WiTopia VPN for a few months but lately cannot for some reason.
I am use a proxy right now but it is awkward.
Any suggestions for a good inexpensive VPN???
ESI had the exact same problems. Talked with them over the course of three days. Still could get it to work. It maybe that your router has had a little extra "boost" given to it, by 哥哥 (big brother)... They gave me back my money with no problem and now I am using hotshield again, which is free, but a little annoying with the ads, especially the Friendfinder ones.
Good Luck.
I am not sure what is mentioned in the forum about this, but I used this way to access ISG, so I am just writting it!
There are different sites offering FREE computer remote access services.
It is ideal for travellers that have a computer connected to the internet in an office, where other people don't use this computer (Or else they can see what you are doing!!!!!)
One of them is www.logmein.com
SE Asia Joe
10-28-08, 04:43
=Ace of Spades]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The best place to get a visa to enter China is to go to Chungking Mansion, second block, elevator A.
China Visa Service
750 HK for a double entry visa (I am Canadian). If you submit your passport before 11:00 am, it will be ready at 1:00 pm the next day. I have used this service many times.
My advice is to don't bother saving a few dollars by going to the Chinese governments office in Hk. The lineup will be too long, and also you will spend too much time trying to find the building.
Please click on
http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/blsjfy/
1. Cost of double entry visa for Canadians is HK$220. Express service - $150, Rush service (next day) $250. You overpaid by $280.
2. You actually prefer going to Chung King Mansion - the worst dump in the whole of Hong Kong/where all the drug dealers and the dirtiest street walkers congregate/the cheapest, dirtiest hostels/a fire trap etc etc in Kowloon rather than go to the China Resources Building just a short walk across the covered bridge to the Wanchai/Lochart Road Foreigner mongering destination area?? You gotta be kidding!! Precise map on the website above.
3. You would actually trust anybody at Chung King Mansion? Worse, you would actually hand over your travel documents to "China Visa Service" versus some scrap of paper that they probably gave back to you? Do you know that Chung King Mansion is also the place to get any kind of 'documents' you may need? Wonder how much a genuine Canadian passport would be worth there!!
4. OK, the lines at the visa office has been a bit longer than usual these days - but if you get there before the official opening hours and start to already line up - I'm very sure you can get out of there in less than half an hour. Hours and Address:
7th Floor, Lower Block, China Resources Building,
No.26, Harbor Road, Wanchai, Hong Kong SAR
Office Hours
Monday to Friday (except Hong Kong public holidays,)
9:00-12:00 14:00-17:00
5. The ONLY way I would recommend anybody going thru ANY travel agent or visa service office is IF they can guarantee you SAME DAY service - which Wadman mentioned previously mentioned as being possible - but which I think NOT probable - as these travel agents/visa guys also need to line up the same way that an individual do and are forced to adhere to the same rules and time constraints as is posted on the above Web site.
I've posted the above information time and again - And I apologize to you Ace - but I really think that posts as yours serve a big disservice to all of us. Sorry.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-31-08, 04:24
Hey Tiger,
That looks just like your ZH boyfriend
Oh WOW - so you, OWL - are Tiger's boyfriend?
And what is this with deleting posts instead of coming back with your usual glib - and totally nonsense - replies??
Come on guy (????) - your diatribe is the highlight of my day!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
11-03-08, 09:02
WOW - OWL IS KING - and doing it 5, 6 times/day!!
It's the best place to enjoy the company of some of the best looking girls in China. You can have 5 or 6 young girls come to your room discreetly everyday. .......Master Monger set me up the first time and I became good friends and favored guest at the hotel. ........ So I dont want this hotel to be well known..............
PS: I edited out the name of this hotel so it's not overbooked. Its nice to be the king.
Naaaaah OWL - you don't have to worry about any of us mere mortals even daring to want to stay at YOUR hotel.
I mean, goodness gracious me, what wimps we're all gonna look like, when compared to THE KING!!! OWL - he with the rock hard virility, he who partakes of 5 or 6 gals a day, every day, he of the lightning fighting skills, he who's so suave every single gal he even gazes upon will drop their pants and beg for HIM to consider taking...... Oh Yeah....THE KING!!!
No.... us mere mortals would NEVER dare to even consider staying at YOUR HOTEL!!
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
11-03-08, 09:27
WOW - OWL IS KING - and doing it 5, 6 times/day!!
Naaaaah OWL - you don't have to worry about any of us mere mortals even daring to want to stay at YOUR hotel.
I mean, goodness gracious me, what wimps we're all gonna look like, when compared to THE KING!!! OWL - he with the rock hard virility, he who partakes of 5 or 6 gals a day, every day, he of the lightning fighting skills, he who's so suave every single gal he even gazes upon will drop their pants and beg for HIM to consider taking...... Oh Yeah....THE KING!!!
No.... us mere mortals would NEVER dare to even consider staying at YOUR HOTEL!!
SEAJ
Is he saying because he brought *****s to his hotel room all the time, the hotel treated him as a favored guest? Must either be a real shithole needing business or one again, he is on his Magic Carpet Ride.
-CPE
Please click on
http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/blsjfy/
1. Cost of double entry visa for Canadians is HK$220. Express service - $150, Rush service (next day) $250. You overpaid by $280.
4. OK, the lines at the visa office has been a bit longer than usual these days - but if you get there before the official opening hours and start to already line up - I'm very sure you can get out of there in less than half an hour. Hours and Address:
7th Floor, Lower Block, China Resources Building,
No.26, Harbor Road, Wanchai, Hong Kong SAR
Office Hours
Monday to Friday (except Hong Kong public holidays,)
9:00-12:00 14:00-17:00
SEAJ
I am a USA passport holder, and if I use the China Consulate in USA to get a China Visa, the current rate is $130 USD (about 975 HKD). Add $30 for express service, and add $30 for FedEx/DHL mailing costs for quick service. Total of about $190 USD (1425 HKD) and waiting time is about 3 days via mail.
It seems almost cheaper to arrive in HK and pay 1 night for a hotel in HK ($100 USD, 750 HKD) and wait and adjust to Jet lag. Plus Visa fee (1020 HKD) Plus Rush (250 HKD). 1270 for Visa + Rush = about $170 USD.
I can apply the $20 USD saved to the cost of my hotel (makes my $100 USD hotel in Wanchai to be only about $80 USD a night). Or to be cheaper, just spend a night in a Hong Kong Sauna, especially if my flight arrives late in the night.
Here is the USA consulate website, for pricing:
http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm
Note that L (Tourist) and F (business) visa are all the same price of $130 USD, including single vs double vs multiple entries all being $130 USD. Something seems wrong with their pricing.
Dar
Here is the USA consulate website, for pricing:
http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm
Note that L (Tourist) and F (business) visa are all the same price of $130 USD, including single vs double vs multiple entries all being $130 USD. Something seems wrong with their pricing.
Dar
The pricing is correct. My friend recently got a 1 year multiple entry L visa for $130. I believe it's not possible yet to get a multiple entry L visa in Hong Kong. A multiple entry F visa costs about 3000HKD, which is considerably higher than getting a multiple entry L visa in the US.
Fast Eddie 48
11-03-08, 17:32
[QUOTE=Dar425]I am a USA passport holder, and if I use the China Consulate in USA to get a China Visa, the current rate is $130 USD (about 975 HKD). Add $30 for express service, and add $30 for FedEx/DHL mailing costs for quick service. Total of about $190 USD (1425 HKD) and waiting time is about 3 days via mail.
It seems almost cheaper to arrive in HK and pay 1 night for a hotel in HK ($100 USD, 750 HKD) and wait and adjust to Jet lag. Plus Visa fee (1020 HKD) Plus Rush (250 HKD). 1270 for Visa + Rush = about $170 USD.
I can apply the $20 USD saved to the cost of my hotel (makes my $100 USD hotel in Wanchai to be only about $80 USD a night). Or to be cheaper, just spend a night in a Hong Kong Sauna, especially if my flight arrives late in the night.
Here is the USA consulate website, for pricing:
http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm
Note that L (Tourist) and F (business) visa are all the same price of $130 USD, including single vs double vs multiple entries all being $130 USD. Something seems wrong with their pricing.
to DAR
I alway tell everyone to get the China visa in US before their trip,There are alot of tourist interest to China after the bejing games,the line to get visa in San Francisco China Consulate is one block long.
Most travel agents in SF can get it for you for a min service charge if you buy your airline tickets from them,my co-worker just got his 2 yr business visa for 150 usd, but a company letter is needed take one week.
Fast eddie 48
Ace of Spades
11-04-08, 17:06
I made the right choice under the circumstances. My advice is useful to anybody who does not want to wait, but can afford to pay a little more than normal.
Here are the facts
1) I went to the China immigration office in HK across the little bridge with my travel partner at about 10 am in the morning to submit our applications, but the line up was TOO LONG. We decided to return to the Chungking Mansion to the use the visa service I mentioned in my original posting.
2) I obtained a visa from the same service in the Chungking Mansion one time previously last April during a short stay. No problems. Reliable. He even helped with the fictious proof of ticket and hotel booking that was required at that time until very recently. No legimitate travel agency would provided those documents.
3) A week prior to leaving for HK , (I am based in Foshan, Guangdong), I called numerous agents and government offices to find out if the old visa policies would take effect soon. No change. I exhauasted all of my options. So I did not mind using the visa in HK a SECOND TIME.
4) I would not give my passport to just anybody.
5) My preference is NOT to stay at the Chungking mansion for many of the reasons you mentioned. There are some REAL safety issues there, but descent/clean accomandation can be found on the premises. Be careful about where to stay and who you talk to. Most hotels nearby are either too expensive or too filthy.
6) My accomandation was DIRECTLY next to the visa agent’s office. I never had to go VERY FAR to submit my passport. The visa agent offers extremely flexible hours to submit and retrieve passports. Submitting visas at the immigration office REQUIRES waiting in line TWICE. Once to submit your passport and another time to retrieve. All of this running around requires lots of time. Also if you get to the front of the line, let’s say, 5 minutes before closing, I can almost gurantee you will be told to come back the next day – if this falls on weekend, too bad.
CONCLUSIONS
Under the circumstances, Chungking Mansions despite the shady and unsafe nature of the place is the BEST PLACE to stay in HK and get your China visa until everything goes back to normal.
I have been following all the posts here but still don't have the info I need.
I am American living in Shanghai. "F" visa expires Nov 30 and I do not have a sponsor to get a new one.
I don't care what kind of visa I get just need multi entry.
Any suggestion? Best to go to Hong Kong? Local agent here are telling me prices in the RMB10,000 range
ES
5) My preference is NOT to stay at the Chungking mansion for many of the reasons you mentioned. There are some REAL safety issues there, but descent/clean accomandation can be found on the premises. Be careful about where to stay and who you talk to. Most hotels nearby are either too expensive or too filthy.
CONCLUSIONS
Under the circumstances, Chungking Mansions despite the shady and unsafe nature of the place is the BEST PLACE to stay in HK and get your China visa until everything goes back to normal.
If you exit the Chungking Mansions and turn right, walk one or two blocks, you will find Mirador Mansions on your right. It's a similar building with many accomodation options, at a similar price. If you need to find a cheap stopover in Kowloon this is another option. I think it's a bit better than staying at the Chungking shithole Mansions.
There are also travel agents opposite the Chunking Mansions, on the corner of Peking Rd and Nathan Rd. I think they are expensive for visas.
4. Non-US passport bearers shall provide documents that entitle them to reside or work for an extended period of time in the US.
5. An applicant who was born in China is required to submit his /her Chinese passport or last foreign passport with a Chinese visa when he/she applies for a Chinese visa with a new foreign passport.
6. Tourists to China shall provide round trip air tickets and hotel reservation.
7. Applicants visiting friends and family members shall provide round trip air tickets and certificates of kinship.
I noticed something different for requirements in obtaining a visa. It's requesting documents about work, airline tickets and hotel reservation. Then something about kinship or relatives. These requirements were never requested before.
Are the additional requirements true ?
http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm
Old Mean Dog
11-05-08, 10:54
I have been following all the posts here but still don't have the info I need.
I am American living in Shanghai. "F" visa expires Nov 30 and I do not have a sponsor to get a new one.
I don't care what kind of visa I get just need multi entry.
Any suggestion? Best to go to Hong Kong? Local agent here are telling me prices in the RMB10,000 range
ES
Do you know a company owner who can write you an invitation letter, maybe grease someones palm? This is easier and quickly processed at a Chinese Embassy (other than the Consulate in HK). Otherwise, go out of country and apply for a long term tourist visa (maybe not multi entry though). Can fly really cheap on Air Asia or Tiger Air to Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc.
-CPE
Hi all,
I need an advise from you.
I am currently working in Changan, Dongguan.
I have a multiple entry visa but I can only stay 30 days at a time.
This week-end I have to go to HK and come back. I do not have the intention to stay in HK. I just need to cross the border and back again.
I have never done this. I would like any one of you to tell me what is the best/quickest way to do this.
I have looked in the forum, but I don't think there is any report answering my question.
Thank you.
Sukhumvitter
11-06-08, 02:37
One way to do it is to go to the new border crossing at Shenzhen Bay (the new bridge in Shekou). The HK customs are on the China side of the bridge, so it's very quick. Also there are not too many people.
You can simply cross through customs and turn around and come back through.
You can also do this at the Futian Crossing (not Huanggang, the other one) and the subway goes there as well for convenience. I imagine you can do this at LowHu as well, but that's farther from Changan.
The shekou bridge will be your closest/quickest option.
Of course you could also combine a visa run with a weekend in ZhuHai and then cross over and back at GongBei.
Good Luck.
Hi all,
I need an advise from you.
I am currently working in Changan, Dongguan.
I have a multiple entry visa but I can only stay 30 days at a time.
This week-end I have to go to HK and come back. I do not have the intention to stay in HK. I just need to cross the border and back again.
I have never done this. I would like any one of you to tell me what is the best/quickest way to do this.
I have looked in the forum, but I don't think there is any report answering my question.
Thank you.
Old Mean Dog
11-06-08, 04:00
Hi all,
I need an advise from you.
I am currently working in Changan, Dongguan.
I have a multiple entry visa but I can only stay 30 days at a time.
This week-end I have to go to HK and come back. I do not have the intention to stay in HK. I just need to cross the border and back again.
I have never done this. I would like any one of you to tell me what is the best/quickest way to do this.
I have looked in the forum, but I don't think there is any report answering my question.
Thank you.
Border jumping is quite common. I went to HK yesterday for just a few hours and came back. Just went to first town across border from Lo Wu to buy a few things I can't get here.
I know guys who just exit China and enter HK customs, then do a 180 and come right back in.
-CPE
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