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Asiabound69

11-06-08, 04:26

I am a US Passport holder and just had my F Visa (my fourth) renewed 2 weeks ago. Chicago Chinese consulate, 1 year validity multi entry, 90 day stay each.

[QUOTE=Dar425]I am a USA passport holder, and if I use the China Consulate in USA to get a China Visa, the current rate is $130 USD (about 975 HKD). Add $30 for express service, and add $30 for FedEx/DHL mailing costs for quick service. Total of about $190 USD (1425 HKD) and waiting time is about 3 days via mail.

It seems almost cheaper to arrive in HK and pay 1 night for a hotel in HK ($100 USD, 750 HKD) and wait and adjust to Jet lag. Plus Visa fee (1020 HKD) Plus Rush (250 HKD). 1270 for Visa + Rush = about $170 USD.

I can apply the $20 USD saved to the cost of my hotel (makes my $100 USD hotel in Wanchai to be only about $80 USD a night). Or to be cheaper, just spend a night in a Hong Kong Sauna, especially if my flight arrives late in the night.

Here is the USA consulate website, for pricing:
http://www.chinaconsulatesf.org/eng/qianzhen/zgqz/t48485.htm

Note that L (Tourist) and F (business) visa are all the same price of $130 USD, including single vs double vs multiple entries all being $130 USD. Something seems wrong with their pricing.

to DAR

I alway tell everyone to get the China visa in US before their trip,There are alot of tourist interest to China after the bejing games,the line to get visa in San Francisco China Consulate is one block long.

Most travel agents in SF can get it for you for a min service charge if you buy your airline tickets from them,my co-worker just got his 2 yr business visa for 150 usd, but a company letter is needed take one week.

Fast eddie 48

Le Baron

11-06-08, 04:33

Border jumping is quite common. I went to HK yesterday for just a few hours and came back. Just went to first town across border from Lo Wu to buy a few things I can't get here.

I know guys who just exit China and enter HK customs, then do a 180 and come right back in.

-CPE

CPExpat, thanks for your advise, but someone told me that they blocked the outway and inway, so that we can no longer do a 180 turn without actually going into HK.

Does anyone know this as a fact?

Thanks.

Tiger 888

11-06-08, 05:31

CPExpat, thanks for your advise, but someone told me that they blocked the outway and inway, so that we can no longer do a 180 turn without actually going into HK.

Does anyone know this as a fact?

Thanks.At Shenzhen Bay, when you passed HK customs you are at the busstop on HK territory where both arriving and leaving passengers are. I don't see how they could block the way back. Of course you need to get through HK immigration and customs before heading back.

Le Baron

11-06-08, 05:35

At Shenzhen Bay, when you passed HK customs you are at the busstop on HK territory where both arriving and leaving passengers are. I don't see how they could block the way back. Of course you need to get through HK immigration and customs before heading back.

Thank you everyone!!!
I guess I will have no trouble for my first visa leave (or whatever is the correct term in my case)

Ace of Spades

11-06-08, 12:42

Tiger 888

11-06-08, 13:37

I have bordered jumped many times.

One of the biggest rip offs in HK must be the cost to go from Lowu to the next station as is required when entering HK and returning back to China

Here is some advice:

After you exit China and clear Hong Kong immigration, you will enter a large hall with stores, a China travel service, starbucks, a 7-11, money changers. Here will need to purchase a ticket to proceed into further into HK using the MRT located on the bottom floor. Be sure to buy a concessionary ticket (discounted ticket for elderly), it will save you money, especially if you are travelling with a group. Standard fare is 40 HKD , the cheap ticket is 20 HKD to only one stop, if you go further into HK, the cost is higher.

Returning back to Lowu will also cost another 40 HKD, so be sure to buy the cheap ticket again.I get away with this trick every time, there are too many people present to get caught. Be discreet.

The best border crossing is Sheng Gong (I hope I spelled it right)

I am not exactly sure how to get there from Shenzhen, but it appears rather neaby and also where cars pass through.

There are fewer people than at the Lowu border. So no long waits. Buses from the airport pass through here. It is possible to get a 30 day visa upon arrival for Canadians, takes about 20 mins. There are buses going to different points in HK.40 HK$ from Lo Wu to Sheung Shui? From where do you get this? Maybe in first class. It is about 34 to TST east (with octopus). Sheung Shui should be around 18 one way. This is not exactly a ripoff as HK charges a departure tax inlcuded in the ticket.

For visa runs (immediate turnarounds) Luo Hu (Lo Wu) is not good. Shenzhen bay (the new broder at the Bridge near Shekou) is the best. A taxi from Windows of the world is around 25 RMB one way.
Second is Huang Gang - (old) Lok Ma Chau border, not the MTR(KCR) station where you can take the yellow bus for 7 HK$ one way out of the restricted area. Another 7 HK$ to get back.

Luper Calia

11-06-08, 15:35

Does anyone know a reliable agency in Beijing that could help with legalising a birth certificate for my Girlfiend. We are getting it norarised in her home city, but their chop needs to be authenticated by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and then it needs to go to a foreign embassy for similar. We are outside of China, so a phone number would be appreciated.

Fast Eddie 48

11-06-08, 17:56

I have bordered jumped many times.

One of the biggest rip offs in HK must be the cost to go from Lowu to the next station as is required when entering HK and returning back to China

Here is some advice:

After you exit China and clear Hong Kong immigration, you will enter a large hall with stores, a China travel service, starbucks, a 7-11, money changers. Here will need to purchase a ticket to proceed into further into HK using the MRT located on the bottom floor. Be sure to buy a concessionary ticket (discounted ticket for elderly), it will save you money, especially if you are travelling with a group. Standard fare is 40 HKD , the cheap ticket is 20 HKD to only one stop, if you go further into HK, the cost is higher.

Returning back to Lowu will also cost another 40 HKD, so be sure to buy the cheap ticket again.I get away with this trick every time, there are too many people present to get caught. Be discreet.

The best border crossing is Sheng Gong (I hope I spelled it right)

I am not exactly sure how to get there from Shenzhen, but it appears rather neaby and also where cars pass through.

There are fewer people than at the Lowu border. So no long waits. Buses from the airport pass through here. It is possible to get a 30 day visa upon arrival for Canadians, takes about 20 mins. There are buses going to different points in HK.ACE,

The oldery discount mtr ticket is for people 62 or older .there are MTR plain cloth agent watching if you get caught there is a big fine ,why do you do this to save a few dollar don't make any sense that cheating .

The huang gang border is much faster for me ,I alway take the bus to many area in HK or kowloon after you enter HK and .Immgration here is much better because mostly Hong konger use this border not many tourist and foreigner.

fast eddie 48

Moody

11-07-08, 05:09

40 HK$ from Lo Wu to Sheung Shui? From where do you get this? Maybe in first class. It is about 34 to TST east (with octopus). Sheung Shui should be around 18 one way. This is not exactly a ripoff as HK charges a departure tax inlcuded in the ticket.

For visa runs (immediate turnarounds) Luo Hu (Lo Wu) is not good. Shenzhen bay (the new broder at the Bridge near Shekou) is the best. A taxi from Windows of the world is around 25 RMB one way.
Second is Huang Gang - (old) Lok Ma Chau border, not the MTR(KCR) station where you can take the yellow bus for 7 HK$ one way out of the restricted area. Another 7 HK$ to get back.

Convenience depends on where you're located. If you're based in Luohu, it makes no sense to go all the way to WOW on a visa run. It's almost an hour just to get to WOW from Luohu.

In Futian, especially if you're near a subway stop, Futian Kouan works best for a quick visa run. It's at the end of line 4 on the subway. Very few people go there, it's much less crowded than Huanggang Kouan, no need for a bus transfer, and you can get to Sheung Shui and back in about an hour including all the immigration stuff. If you're unlucky and get stuck behind a tour group at Huanggang Kouan, it could easily take you 30 minutes just to get your passport stamped. The most people in front of me in line I've seen at Futian Kouan is 3.

Travel Dog

11-08-08, 01:45

Baron

Since you are in Chang An you must consider how to get to the border as well. Across form the Chang An Hotel is a direct coach bus to the Lo Wu border. Nice newer buses with good air-con. It's 35 RMB each way and they leave every 15 minutes. Go to LoWu Get off the bus walk across the Hong Kong border. Get on the train to Hong Kong but get off at the first stop, Sheng Shui. Turn around and reverse everything. It's 2-3 hours round trip from Chang An depending on border crossing times and traffic.

This is the fastest from Chang An.

TD

I need an advise from you.

I am currently working in Changan, Dongguan.
I have a multiple entry visa but I can only stay 30 days at a time.
This week-end I have to go to HK and come back. I do not have the intention to stay in HK. I just need to cross the border and back again.

I have never done this. I would like any one of you to tell me what is the best/quickest way to do this.

I have looked in the forum, but I don't think there is any report answering my question.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

Calvin Hobbs

11-08-08, 14:05

Why don't you take the ferry from Fuyong Ferry Terminal next to Shenzhen airport. Monday thru Friday from Kowloon to Fuyong Terminal leaves at 0845 and From Fuyong to Kowloon at 1630. Cost is 208rmb. Very smooth an relaxing. I never take ground transportation anymore. Also has Macau route.

www.turboet.com.hk

Jbritt

11-10-08, 07:45

Hi,

Anyone knowledgeable about the current visa process/environment?

I've had a one year, multi and a 6 months, double visas (both "L") recently. Planning on going back to China and would like to get another multi, one year again. Is it still possible?

I am in toronto, and noticed the website (http://toronto. China-consulate.org/eng/vp/VISA/t40586. Htm) states rules for "L" visa: need to have relatives there (I don't) or purchased real estate (I haven't)

So I look at the requirements for multi-entry "F" visa and it says ". One of the documents needed. " is "Records indicating that applicants had previous visas for more than two entries into China within one year. (A copy of the previous visa pages is required.)".- so would my previous "L" visas count here?

Pretty confused. I tried to call the consulate but couldn't get through. I've RTFF but no one has posted any recent visa information. So before I head down to the consulate to try my luck. Anyone have any info/advice?

I don't have a sponsor. No relatives there. No investments. Basically I've been going to China over the last few years on tourist visas for my business research. And to mess around (of course

Thanks!

I have been following all the posts here but still don't have the info I need.

I am American living in Shanghai. "F" visa expires Nov 30 and I do not have a sponsor to get a new one.

I don't care what kind of visa I get just need multi entry.

Any suggestion? Best to go to Hong Kong? Local agent here are telling me prices in the RMB10, 000 range

ES

Jbritt

11-10-08, 07:59

Hi,

Anyone have recent information about the current visa process/environment?

I've RTFF and tried to call the consulate (couldn't get through) so figured I'd post here before headed down to the consulate to try my luck.

I'm cdn, in toronto, looking to get a multi-entry, one year visa (any type). I've always gotten an "L" visa previously (multi-entry, one year and also double, 6-months) but read the website just now at: http://toronto. China-consulate.org/eng/vp/VISA/t40586. Htm and it says:

For "L": proof of relatives or property (I have none of either)

For "F": for multi-entry, ". One of the following documents. ".- "Records indicating that applicants had previous visas for more than two entries into China within one year. (A copy of the previous visa pages is required.)"

So does anyone know if my prior "L" visas would qualify for this requirment?

Is it even possible for me to get a multi, one-year without a proper sponsor? Any type of visa is fine with me.

I've been going to China over the years on "L" visas to do my business research. And mess around (of course so any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

I have been following all the posts here but still don't have the info I need.

I am American living in Shanghai. "F" visa expires Nov 30 and I do not have a sponsor to get a new one.

I don't care what kind of visa I get just need multi entry.

Any suggestion? Best to go to Hong Kong? Local agent here are telling me prices in the RMB10, 000 range

ES

Wadman

11-10-08, 18:18

I am in HK now, getting a visa. I have been promised a double entry (30 days max stay per entry) for pickup tomorrow. Means I have to overnight in HK for 1 day. I have a Canadian passport too.

Jbritt, things should be easier at your country of origin, so you should at least be able to get what I got (or will get). Since you are in Toronto, you may want to go to Pacific mall, and use one of the chinese travel agencies there to get a visa on your behalf. Costs a bit more, but you will likely be asked fewer questions. These agencies have a relationship with the consulate. Usually I get my visa from a HK travel agency => no questions asked. This time, I figured I'd try the consulate in WanChai (HK), and man, did I get grilled!

Hi,

Anyone have recent information about the current visa process/environment?

I've RTFF and tried to call the consulate (couldn't get through) so figured I'd post here before headed down to the consulate to try my luck.

I'm cdn, in toronto, looking to get a multi-entry, one year visa (any type). I've always gotten an "L" visa previously (multi-entry, one year and also double, 6-months) but read the website just now at: http://toronto. China-consulate.org/eng/vp/VISA/t40586. Htm and it says:

For "L": proof of relatives or property (I have none of either)

For "F": for multi-entry, ". One of the following documents. ".- "Records indicating that applicants had previous visas for more than two entries into China within one year. (A copy of the previous visa pages is required.)"

So does anyone know if my prior "L" visas would qualify for this requirment?

Is it even possible for me to get a multi, one-year without a proper sponsor? Any type of visa is fine with me.

I've been going to China over the years on "L" visas to do my business research. And mess around (of course so any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Yuiop69

11-10-08, 23:55

I bought pills in a legitimate Chinese pharmacy in Zhu Hai called Kaixinweige. Any idea what I might have bought?
I asked for Viagra etc and the pharmacist showed this instead, 1 euro a pill, a small bottle of 6 pills, with tons of instructions in Chinese and a suitably looking male Adonis on the box to persuade you that this is the real McCoy.
I've tried it twice. It seems to the trick somewhat, although I can't say that either occasion provided conclusive evidence, but it does give a bit of headache as I might expect from Levitra.
Any ideas? Thanks

El Frances

11-14-08, 12:47

It sounds like a stupid question. Some of you obviously live in China and have access to ISG. Why was it impossible for me to get acces to ISG and similar forums from China?

Eaglestar

11-14-08, 14:08

It sounds like a stupid question. Some of you obviously live in China and have access to ISG. Why was it impossible for me to get acces to ISG and similar forums from China?

El Frances.........

The big boys in Beijing have blocked it in the PRC. Gotta use a proxy server or VPN here :(

ES

Jbritt

11-18-08, 07:00

In case anyone is interested. Didn't have any problems getting a one-year, multi-entry, 90 day stay at the toronto consulate. Just handed in the form and smiled. They smiled back when I picked it up, paid and they got the cash.

Guess things are back to normal.

I am in HK now, getting a visa. I have been promised a double entry (30 days max stay per entry) for pickup tomorrow. Means I have to overnight in HK for 1 day. I have a Canadian passport too.

Jbritt, things should be easier at your country of origin, so you should at least be able to get what I got (or will get). Since you are in Toronto, you may want to go to Pacific mall, and use one of the chinese travel agencies there to get a visa on your behalf. Costs a bit more, but you will likely be asked fewer questions. These agencies have a relationship with the consulate. Usually I get my visa from a HK travel agency => no questions asked. This time, I figured I'd try the consulate in WanChai (HK), and man, did I get grilled!

Flower Man

11-18-08, 07:49

Ericklein

11-19-08, 15:46

It sounds like a stupid question. Some of you obviously live in China and have access to ISG. Why was it impossible for me to get acces to ISG and similar forums from China?I have a computer in an office, where nobody is allowed to use it and I use it remotely. I personally prefer that simple way to do it. Just make sure nobody is looking at what you are doing!

Check for example by www.logmein.com

Ramekin

11-20-08, 05:48

I am in HK right now getting new visa. According to my guy here regulations have just been laxed and USA pp can now get 6 month mutliple entry again but still 30 days stay, you need a photo and business card, cost is 2100hk$ and service is overnight.

I know everyone has different info on this but I hope this is helpful.

Wadman

11-20-08, 11:40

FlowerMan, JBritt,

It all depends on WHERE you get your China visa. In your country of origin, it should be no problem. I have plenty of people who have gotten a 1 year multiple entry, even during the olympics.

But getting a longterm visa in HK, China is still a problem. When I went on my visa run in HK a couple a weeks ago, they were only giving out double entry (30 days per stay)...officially.

I usually go to one of the travel agencies in HK. On the advice of SEA Joe, I went to the visa office in WanChai and applied directly. And am I glad I did! After pleading my case, I got a double entry (90 days per stay).

Tip: don't apply on a Monday. The application line on Mondays is loooong! Over 100 people, well over 1 hour in line. Visa pickup line was really short, just a couple of people. On Tuesday, it was the exact opposite: short application line, long pickup line.

Actually, as far as I understand, as long as you pay for the Visa processing and you don't apply for a BUSINESS VISA, all of the single/multi entry Visas are pretty easy to get again.

I just came back from China, got my visa end of October, applied for a 1 year multi entry, paid the $130.00 Visa processing fee and got it within 3 days. BTW it's on a US passport, but I would think the Canadian one would work similar?

Maddog40

11-20-08, 22:55

Do any of you guys see a cute girl walking towards you and turn around to look at her ass? I chuckle as I do it because I know what it will look like--but I still do it. Nice, small, flat.

Old Mean Dog

11-21-08, 04:07

Do any of you guys see a cute girl walking towards you and turn around to look at her ass? I chuckle as I do it because I know what it will look like--but I still do it. Nice, small, flat.

What I find funnier, is watching the other Chinese people, who see you get whiplash from turning around to look.

-CPE

Mock A Bee

11-21-08, 06:31

Do any of you guys see a cute girl walking towards you and turn around to look at her ass? I chuckle as I do it because I know what it will look like--but I still do it. Nice, small, flat.

I only do that if I am not with other female companionship, or you may be subject to other versions of whiplash!

MAB

Ericklein

11-21-08, 14:36

Do any of you guys see a cute girl walking towards you and turn around to look at her ass? I chuckle as I do it because I know what it will look like--but I still do it. Nice, small, flat.

I don't do it. It happens automatically!!!! :D

SE Asia Joe

11-22-08, 08:13

It looks like OWL is bad mouthing the China Thread and Jackson.

See One Wing Low's Fantasy World Thread.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=815649&postcount=23

I will delete this post in 24 hours....
Oooooops..... guess I'm target of his majesty's ire now!!
Like I mentioned previoulsy, this OWL certainly is an odd bird - as he does come across "OK" when he's on the Tijuana/Mexico boards, but then goes on the China boards and comes out with all his fantasies.

He's even got a bunch of guys over there who actually comes out in his defense and have good words to say about him. Over here..... well, you know!!

Odd, really odd!

SEAJ

Phil1980

11-22-08, 10:01

A general problem I want to inquire about. Was the ISG forum banned in China during this summer, since I could not access this website throughout the whole summer while I was in Central China?

The girls I had for money during that time generally cost 150 RMB ST, sometimes slightly more, sometimes slightly less (130-300). Most of them were ordinary girls from the small town and rural regions around.

Generally I was astounded how even in relatively remote areas in China the prostitution and drug business has spread to an extent that you can buy either very easily and for little money, which I did during my stay in China. During the Olympics some of the places were shut down, though.

I wanted to contact some people from this website. Since this website wasn't accessible from Chinese internet cafes this wasn't possible, sorry for that.

Old Mean Dog

11-23-08, 05:19

Hah, found this story to be a bit funny:

http://paper.sznews.com/szdaily/20081118/ca2905133.htm

ES and other internet pro's, need to be careful ;)

-CPE

SE Asia Joe

11-24-08, 11:22

Sorry guys - but I've just had to post on OWL's thread the flwg....
in reply to his question as to what we think about his Beautiful, hot, rich Hong Kong GF:

My Chinese friend recently told me, that while at the Regent KTV club in Futian, when I was massaging my HK GF on her boobies and her crotch, her friend apparently got horny and kept asking him to get into the toilet with her.

He told me she was so horny, and kept pestering him, that he could have fucked her in front of everyone in the KTV room, but he got turned off by her agressive attitude and decided to save his load for the ChangShan sauna.

That explains why he called a taxi and sent them to the massage house. I think he sent them to buy a few orgasms at those massage houses. What do you think? .
ROFLMAO..... LOL..... LOL.... what do we think?? WHAT do we think?!!

Hilarious!! In other words, you've just confirmed that your super high class beautiful Hong Kong GF IS like what we've been saying all along - some desperate SEE LIE (old hag) who even needs to go to a Shenzhen Duck house to get her rocks off as nobody else would do her!!

Yup OWL - really high class GF you got there!!

SEAJ

Eaglestar

11-24-08, 15:01

Hah, found this story to be a bit funny:

http://paper.sznews.com/szdaily/20081118/ca2905133.htm

ES and other internet pro's, need to be careful ;)

-CPE

U be right my man. Never let your guard down

ES

Pcpc1688

11-24-08, 19:46

Had to go there because of all the good reports and boy am I glad I did. Chose 518 from Mongolia. My this girl was 5'9, and one smoking athletic body on her. We hit it off well. BBBJCIM, many position, MSOG, and full 100 mins. At 550rmb, the cost was outstanding.

PC out

Rab

11-24-08, 22:52

I am going back to Shanghai and for the first time in 2.5 years my regular companion won't be with me because she moved to the US, makes it get here but now I am totally out of touch in China.
I am staying at the Portman can anyone recommend a place close by there where the fishing is good?

Thanks for any help offered.

Jacoharts

11-25-08, 03:16

SE Asia Joe

11-25-08, 06:43

Banana888

11-25-08, 10:33

Guys - especially those who post here regularly:

I am nowadays quite ambivalent about posting up informatio on our "activities," and would like your advise/take!!

OK, the purpose of ISG is the exchange of info on our favorite activity - but it seems like its quite a one sided affair with too damn many lurkers - who would come out once a while or PM me to ask for free hand-outs etc - whilst not contributing anything at all.

And once when we post anything good up, that place gets inundated by wankers - either spoiling the market or worse, giving such a bad impression about Foreign mongers that it screws things up for all of us when we go back.

Of course I could also become just a lurker - but if all of us adapt this attitude - then what.....???! I mean, I believe that most of us do NOT post here for our own self aggrandizement or to stoke our own ego (well, at least I don't think it's the case with most of us... but then there IS OWL!!).

OAH says it rightly when he says that in any community, there are ARE bound to be some wankers and for it not to bother me too much..... but from talking to other contributors here - its quite apparent that most of us are really getting very wary/sick/tired of posting anything up.

SEAJ

I agree with you Joe, I too have recently begun to get the feeling that those who post regularly are being taken for granted. I have no issues with lurkers - reading the forum and maybe using the info is partly what this is all about. I don’t mind the PM’s as much as any newbie messaging you has obviously paid a subscription fee and therefore supporting this site and giving back in their own way. However, as you state in your post, it’s the random newbie’s with their first time posts asking for information that are annoying. I mean it’s not rocket science is it? All the information is on these threads. I don’t mean to blow my own trumpet but take for instance my first jaunt to Zhuhai; I’d never been there, didn’t know anyone there and can’t read Chinese. A few hours reading the forum was all it took and I had a great time. The guys that ask for free info and don’t give back? For me it’s pure ignorance and bone idleness.
In regards to posting too much information – yes I agree this can be detrimental. When posting some info – the last thing we want are BSD’s fucking up the market or idiots making a nuisance of themselves at the establishment. But you know what? I think that these things happen regardless of whether we post or not. Just by definition, this is not a “mainstream” forum and as such the percentage of morons will be higher. My take on all of this is that I post, albeit selectively now, for the benefit of the community as a whole. I do not post for some twisted desire for infamy or notoriety. Why? Because if not for this site my experiences mongering would not be half as good as they have been. Just by giving a little back I’ve hooked up with some really good guys here and experienced stuff I wouldn’t have if I had taken the lurker route, I am sure this is true for many of you guys.
If my posts and info are used by guys I would normally spit on, then so be it. It’s the nature of the internet and there’s fuck all I can do about it.

B888

Maddog40

11-25-08, 14:54

SEAJ,
I completely agree with you on contribution to the forum. I don't mind those new to the site asking questions as much as I do those that are just lurking and never respond with information, experience or trials. After I have shared some specific posts with clear information to help brothers out I have revisited the girls of my post. Turns out there have been many from ISG that have visited her for the first time, asked for her number (knowledge either I or other ISGer supplied) but never mentioned on the board. That is just wrong to abuse the board without giving back. Somewhat frustrating for those that take the time and energy to set this forum up, report experiences and lead others to treasures others would never experience if not posted here.

On the other side, it is refreshing to see newbies with long posts of detailed information that will guide others for months.

I realize many are only in China for a short stay but a note of any experience will contribute to more to the library and benefit all.

Thanks to all who contribute faithfully and selflessly.

MD40

Galinsoga

11-25-08, 21:00

Quote by Maddog

"I realize many are only in China for a short stay but a note of any experience will contribute to more to the library and benefit all. "

Yes, unfortunately some of us are only brief visitors to China. However, as you say it is almost a duty to report not only the experiences of a short visit but also the problems/ pitfalls should there be any. I am "doing my bit" on that score. In addition, I think it is very useful for the occasional visitor to highlight those pieces of information that have been especially useful in preparing for the "entertainment" side of a visit, information from other parts of the Forum or from other browsing on the internet.

You (lucky) guys who have daily or at least frequent access to the many delights of China are perhaps sometimes short sighted when it comes to the needs of the occasional vistor eg use of abreviations (some not in the Forum listing), mention of places by nicknames etc. It happens.

Sure, you must be frustrated by the repetitive PM/ posting questions by newbies who REALLY SHOULD read the posts made on the forum ofr at least the previous six months. Before I visited Shanghai very recently I really did read the posts covering many months, and the knowledge gained was very valuable.

In return I am posting MY experiences in Shanghai. I write in a conversational style that I hope others will appreciate. I include links to those sources of inofrmation that really helped me before I arrived, in the hope that they will be of equal value to others.

There are still some "things" I would like to sort out but lack of the language defeats me. For example I found the site http://sh. City8.com/panosearch to be of great value because it enabled me to SEE the views along the roads of interest and it be able to visiually identify places likely to be of special importance. OK, it is all in Chinese but learning to navigate the site was not a big problem. However, what I have never worked out is how to CAPTURE the link to a specific map point and corresponding view. I am sure the inofromation to do that is on the site but of course I cannot work that out. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Galinsoga

Mock A Bee

11-26-08, 01:41

As written by AFP and posted here:
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breakin...ory_306743.html

Uhhh... you might want to cover up pretty much anywhere in China. I would suspect the rate of condom use outside of 1st tier cities is even lower.

Nov 26, 2008
Prostitutes shun condoms

BEIJING - MORE than half of Beijing's prostitutes do not use condoms despite sexual transmission having replaced drug use as the most common infection route for HIV, state media said on Tuesday.

Just 47 per cent of the 90,000 sex workers in China's capital used condoms, the official Xinhua news agency quoted Mr Fang Laiying, director of the municipal public health bureau, as saying.

Sexual transmission has also replaced intravenous drug use as the most common transmission route for the HIV virus for the first time in Beijing, accounting for 55 per cent of infections, the report said.

But the infection rate among the city's prostitutes was unknown as Beijing does not provide a testing programme.

Free condoms are already provided in 22,000 venues in China's capital, including hotels and holiday resorts, and nearly 3,000 vending machines have been installed in entertainment sites, Xinhua said.

Condom machines are also to be installed at construction sites which employ more than 500 workers by the end of the year, the director was quoted as saying.

Beijing had reported 5,635 instances of people living with Aids or HIV by Nov 1 since the first case was reported in 1985, of which 75 per cent were from other regions in China, Xinhua said.

At the end of 2007, China had around 700,000 people living with HIV, including an estimated 85,000 who had developed Aids, according to Xinhua.

Campaigners have previously warned that the true figure could be up to 10 times higher.

Thousands were infected during the 1990s through tainted transfusions at illegal blood collection stations, but the focus of attention is now shifting to high risk groups such as gay men and sex workers. -- AFP

MAB

OldAsiaHand

11-26-08, 04:48

OAH says it rightly when he says that in any community, there are ARE bound to be some wankers and for it not to bother me too much..... but from talking to other contributors here - its quite apparent that most of us are really getting very wary/sick/tired of posting anything up.

SEAJ

SEAJ,

I don't mind a few wankers on the board. Sometimes, they even spice up the forum a bit and give me a good laugh. However, the newbies that obviously do not RTFF [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. Especially since we have spent a lot of time posting everything they need to get laid in China. And, there are the wankers that PM me wanting to hook-up. I have experienced many no-shows that do not even bother to call. I have stopped replying to most PMs from members I do not know already.

The same applies to posting new information. I will keep the forum updated on the situation in well known, established mongering areas, however, have been keeping new finds within a circle of senior members that can be trusted. This is because of the BSD syndrome. I have seen too many places get fucked up. Prices go up, crackdowns occur, even whole areas have been shut down. For example, I cannot count how many times I have heard, "You are a foreigner and should pay more". If there were no foreigners paying more, I think I would hear this less often.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand

11-26-08, 05:00

Prostitutes shun condoms
MAB

MAB,

Scary. Are they talking about BBBJ and/or BBFS? I wonder if the survey was specific. I rarely use a condom for a BJ, but always do so for FS. That said, I am not surprised that the percentage is so high. Most girls do not ask me to cover up, I normally take the initiative myself. That is to say, if I chose to just stick it in, I probably would not get any resistance.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe

11-26-08, 05:37

SEAJ,

I don't mind a few wankers on the board. Sometimes, they even spice up the forum a bit and give me a good laugh. However, the newbies that obviously do not RTFF [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. Especially since we have spent a lot of time posting everything they need to get laid in China. And, there are the wankers that PM me wanting to hook-up. I have experienced many no-shows that do not even bother to call. I have stopped replying to most PMs from members I do not know already.

The same applies to posting new information. I will keep the forum updated on the situation in well known, established mongering areas, however, have been keeping new finds within a circle of senior members that can be trusted. This is because of the BSD syndrome. I have seen too many places get fucked up. Prices go up, crackdowns occur, even whole areas have been shut down. For example, I cannot count how many times I have heard, "You are a foreigner and should pay more". If there were no foreigners paying more, I think I would hear this less often.

Just my POV.

OAH
I guess I feel the same way - but I've also noticed that quite a few 'notable' posters of the past have nowadays comletely stopped posting - many times after some kind 'altercation' on the board/being flamed.
I've also noticed that there is a higher preponderance of detractors on the China boards compared to others, usually accusing us of being haughty, unhelpful etc.

To me, china as a whole is pretty well a virgin destination and is still off the beaten tourist track - especially the mongering tourists- simply because the "westernized tourist" infrastucture is not yet fully in place. What the Western tourist probably do not understand is that most "tourist" services are geared for the Chinese themselves travelling domestically within their own country (upwards of 800 million Chinese travel within their own country annually - that is more than half of the whole population!!) Of course a lot of that number comprises of workers travelling to the boom towns for work - but even 5% of 800 mio is still 40 million - which dwarfs the number of foreign tourists.

The point is that I do believe that non-Chinese speaking travelers into China is very much not catered to and thus need a lot of info and assistance in getting around. The mongering tourist all the more - for lets face it, our activities in China is still illegal and many times quite dangerous for newbies. They come on the China boards and ask for help - WITHOUT doing any of the work themselves/RTFF - and when we tell them to RTFF - they come back barking like a drill sergeant. Well to them - I say good luck to you - for unlike places like LOS, PI, Macau, Hong Kong etc, you're really S.O.O.L. (oh that's - shit out of luck) if you think all the info is gonna be available in some Lonely Planet guide or ?? and thus we can all GTH (that's Go to Hell).

Then there are the guys who come and we help them get around etc. One, 2, or 3 visits and they all of a sudden become experts and start going on and on about their exploits - completely screwing up things for the rest of us; and then there are worse kinds who start "ordering' us around as if we're doing this for pay or whatever. WTF (Who the Fxxk) do these guys think they are?? Yeah, their BFD (Big Fxxking Deal) $$'s gets them pussy and allows them to think that they really ARE BSD's (Big Swinging Dicks) - but then to pull that crap on US??? OAH - you and I KNOW some of these guys don't we??!!

Anyway, enough venting I guess.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-26-08, 06:07

This is the most recent example of what I'm talking about.
This fella probably doesn't realize that us regular China posters gets these kinds of PM's all the time - and don't realize that he should RTFF first - but.....
(with apologies to the correspondent - but I'm just using our exchange as an example of what happens almost daily):

//////////
Re: Need help

Will do as you said.
Thanks again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SE Asia Joe
You know what - I've just written on the China General Info thread - which should pretty well answer your question.
OK - you don't mind me being forward??? then Please RTFF!! I mean ForCrissakes - would it be too much for you to do so?? After all, its YOUR vacation and YOUR risk/activites - don't you think you should at least invest a bit of time to try to figure things out yourself before asking ANYBODY as to what YOU should do? There's a plethora of good info on our boards... really!!

You caught me on a bad day - and I probably need to apologize for the above - but.....

SEAJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXXXXXXXX
Thank you SEAJ:
Shanghai it is. But you haven't said which places would I venture to pick up P4P ladies?
And I don't mind your forward nature of the answer of including my origin. I provided that info to you so that you can advice me for the best course of action.
Again thanks.

XXXXXXXXX

Quote:
Originally Posted by SE Asia Joe
I Presume that you donot speak/speak very little Chinese. This being the case, I would suggest you plan on Shanghai as its the most cosmopolitan and more locals speak English. Other "hot" mongering destinations such as CP, Shenzhen, Zhuhai etc is just to complicated for a non Chinese speaking monger to handle.
If you consider Hong Kong and Macau as part of China - then these 2 destinations are of course still better in terms of getting around etc as its definitely much more 'westernized.' One thing though, there is unfortunately quite a bit of bigotry against East Indians in China as a whole and much worse in HKG/Macau as Indians have always been associated with being bank guards/coolies etc here. A recent murder spree of 141 gals commited by a Pakistani did not help matters either. Its a bit better in Mainland China as they do not have much experience w/Indians as a whole. Apologize if I may have been a bit "forward" but that is the real scoop on bigotry in China.

SEAJ
Quote:
Originally Posted byXXXXXXXX
Hello SEAJ:
Requesting help.
I would like to travel to china for vacation and pleasure. I have not been there before. What city would be best in China for easy mongering? Duration 4 days. The political situation in Bangkok is kind of forcing me to visit china. I am in Canada, of Indian origin.
Appreciate your response.

XXXXXXXXX

Old Mean Dog

11-26-08, 13:33

I have searched the forum and could not find info on getting my Chinese girl friend a visa to visit the USA. Can someone provide me with a link or better yet answer if it difficult for her to get a tourist visa. I need to get her here for a 2 week vacation to keep things going!

Thanks in advance

Jac

You want an honest answer: Forget it.

If she is Chinese, female and single, she ain't gonna get a tourist visa. You would have much better chances getting her a business visa to the states, but that requires a legit business to sponsor her. She still has to meet certain requirements though.

-CPE

Wapec

11-26-08, 14:20

I saw this in the paper earlier this week and thought of addining it to teh mix for assimilation & comment.

/Wapec
===================================

More than half of Beijing's prostitutes do not use condoms despite sexual transmission having replaced drug use as the most common infection route for HIV, state media said.

Just 47 percent of the 90,000 sex workers in China's capital used condoms, the official Xinhua News Agency quoted Fang Laiying, director of the municipal public health bureau, as saying.

Sexual transmission has also replaced intravenous drug use as the most common transmission route for the HIV virus for the first time in Beijing, accounting for 55 percent of infections, the report said.

But the infection rate among the city's prostitutes was unknown as Beijing does not provide a testing program.

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

SE Asia Joe

11-27-08, 05:34

I saw this in the paper earlier this week and thought of addining it to teh mix for assimilation & comment.

/Wapec
===================================

More than half of Beijing's prostitutes do not use condoms despite.......
Wapec - you want comment????

Here's mine -

RTFF!!

This has been posted up at least a couple times days before you posted it up again!! Plus its been discussed also!!

Hahahaha!!!

SEAJ

Wapec

11-27-08, 16:06

SEAJ

Thanks for your usual high levels of engagement ;) I am particularly fond of your approach to constructive criticism.

May I say without fear or hesitation that I count myself fortunate to have contributed to keeping you on song, rearing to go and at your perfectionate peak to continue your insightful (yeah penetrating) banter with OWL.

I BUST MY CHOPS LAUGHING AT THAT YOUR MAD IRREPRESSIBLE BUGGER - GO FOR IT MY GOOD MAN GOOOOO FOOOOOR IIIIIIT ;) :) ;)

/W

Wapec - you want comment????

Here's mine -

RTFF!!

This has been posted up at least a couple times days before you posted it up again!! Plus its been discussed also!!

Hahahaha!!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-28-08, 09:38

SEAJ

Thanks for your usual high levels of engagement ;) I am particularly fond of your approach to constructive criticism.

May I say without fear or hesitation that I count myself fortunate to have contributed to keeping you on song, rearing to go and at your perfectionate peak to continue your insightful (yeah penetrating) banter with OWL.

I BUST MY CHOPS LAUGHING AT THAT YOUR MAD IRREPRESSIBLE BUGGER - GO FOR IT MY GOOD MAN GOOOOO FOOOOOR IIIIIIT ;) :) ;)

/W

Yes - OWL - and his thread - IS really a HOOT ain't it??!!

Glad to get confirmation from at least 1 source - YOU - that you find the banter amusing instead of offensive!!

Hell its a lot more fun than telling guys to RTFF!!

SEAJ

Pushkin13

12-01-08, 02:02

I followed some advice on the Nanjing thread by Fuzimiao regarding 3D maps.

The link to the Nanjing map is http://nanjing.edushi.com/

Fantastic work Fuzimiao.

Type in your favourite city into http://XXX.edushi.com/ and see if it is there.

Unfortunately, it is in Chinese only, but at least it is a start.

(Perhaps a map like this is an incentive for some of the non-Chinese readers to learn a few more characters, especially "lu" (road), and "jie" (street).

Happy hunting.

P13

OldAsiaHand

12-01-08, 04:57

Pcpc1688

12-01-08, 11:35

As you all know, BBBJ is common in the saunas therefore we take a chance everytime we go mongering. with that said, it may just be prudent to stop going? Not!

IMHO, sauna girls probably care for them selves more than your regulas SW or BBS girl. THe cleanest girls are usually sauna girls for the most part. OAH, we are all crossing are fingers for you my man. you have a 100% chance of living though I am predicting. :)

PC out

Rab

12-01-08, 14:12

Guys - especially those who post here regularly:

I am nowadays quite ambivalent about posting up informatio on our "activities," and would like your advise/take!!

OK, the purpose of ISG is the exchange of info on our favorite activity - but it seems like its quite a one sided affair with too damn many lurkers - who would come out once a while or PM me to ask for free hand-outs etc - whilst not contributing anything at all.

And once when we post anything good up, that place gets inundated by wankers - either spoiling the market or worse, giving such a bad impression about Foreign mongers that it screws things up for all of us when we go back.

Of course I could also become just a lurker - but if all of us adapt this attitude - then what.....???! I mean, I believe that most of us do NOT post here for our own self aggrandizement or to stoke our own ego (well, at least I don't think it's the case with most of us... but then there IS OWL!!).

OAH says it rightly when he says that in any community, there are ARE bound to be some wankers and for it not to bother me too much..... but from talking to other contributors here - its quite apparent that most of us are really getting very wary/sick/tired of posting anything up.

SEAJ

SEAJ

I assume that you were replying to my post about needing to be brought up to date in Shanghai.

I used to be involved here starting about 4-4.5 years ago when i first started going to China and was a newbie (in china anyway not in the US). I didn't have the full time GF then and sent pix as well as other information and asked for information. I didn't come here for about 2.5 years because I found the real thing in a wonderful young woman and as you said "I didn't come here for my own self aggrandizement " i came to trade and share information, which I did when I had something to share. But since it has been so long since I have done the bar searches I felt out of touch and decided to go back to what I always felt was a great source of SHARED information. But when I stopped mongering I felt I had nothing to contribute so I didn't take up space by just adding comments here and there when I had nothing to give back.

I understand that there are plenty of guys that are happy to seek out/take others advise and then not so much as post a thanks and "hey heres how it turned out" but please don't lump everyone new or just returning into that group.

So again I will ask if there are any hotspots near the Portman area? If anyone would be so kind as to reply I would be thankful and will post my results. I will be in China again next week. (unfortunately work will take up a lot of my time...I hate when work gets in the way of fun)

RAB

Joinem

12-01-08, 15:21

SE Asia Joe

12-01-08, 20:45

The great OWL is back to deleting my posts on his thread.

This guy's really gone off his rockers and lashing out at everybody now.

With apologies for possibly wasting band width etc, I C+P what i wrote on his thread here
////////

Originally Posted by One Wing Low
Why are you talking like Mother Superior, Giotto?

The girls who hang around the bar and pool of your convent...eh, your lodge, aren't they proclaiming and selling their virginity at least a few times a day???

Aren't we allowed to have a little fun in this forum?
FUN???? OK, lets do have fun - but your writing of late is NOT fun any more.
You're lashing out at everybody - anonymously on the internet - in ways which are mean spirited, petty and way below the belt.

SEAJ

Originally Posted by One Wing Low
Hi CPexpat,
I heard these infantry guys are getting their asses kicked by the scrawny mujahadins in the day time, then when they get home they get pissed on by the little wifeys ... So they have to try hard to look like big macho men in ISG.
Is that true??? hehehehe...
Jeez..... it's not enough that you keep up your garbage, now you are disparaging the fine guys/gals of the U.S. Military.

I don't really know or care if the U.S. is wrong or right being in Iraq/Afghanistan - but I do know that the fine young men and women of the U.S. military have my greatest respect. Who the hell are you OWL??? To have the nerve to diss' on the military.

SEAJ

Cool

12-02-08, 20:45

What Chinese city is best for mongering? I understand Hong Kong is expensive. What is the going rate for Chinese women that are (7-10 on a 10 pt scale?) Is China lady boy (yuck!) free?

Eaglestar

12-02-08, 23:40

What Chinese city is best for mongering? I understand Hong Kong is expensive. What is the going rate for Chinese women that are (7-10 on a 10 pt scale?) Is China lady boy (yuck!) free?

With out a doubt the top mongering city in China is Harbin. Especially this time of year because the beaches are absolutely packed with beautiful topless gals.

HJ-RMB20
BJ-RMB25
FS-RMB50

Never heard of lady boys anywhere in China

ES

Flood800

12-03-08, 01:54

ES. Are you serious or joking about Harbin?
How can there be topless gals on the beaches now?

On the serious side, I was thinking to visit Harbin to meet up a freebie there. If your facts are correct, I definitely would like more free time in Harbin.

Or any beach!!

I hope the price is right! Have to get my snow boots out and get up there! :D

OldAsiaHand

12-03-08, 03:47

Cool

12-03-08, 19:33

I don't think I'll be in Harbin. Whats the best big city to monger in China? Thanks.

With out a doubt the top mongering city in China is Harbin. Especially this time of year because the beaches are absolutely packed with beautiful topless gals.

HJ-RMB20
BJ-RMB25
FS-RMB50

Never heard of lady boys anywhere in China

ES

Galinsoga

12-03-08, 21:29

With out a doubt the top mongering city in China is Harbin. Especially this time of year because the beaches are absolutely packed with beautiful topless gals.

HJ-RMB20
BJ-RMB25
FS-RMB50

Never heard of lady boys anywhere in China

ESES you are being mischevious (ok I understand why).

PMSL - temperature prediction for Harbin by the end of this week is -15oC.
That may make a few ladies reluctant to take off their knickers and as for street activity.

Galinsoga

Galinsoga

12-03-08, 21:31

Have to get my snow boots out and get up there! :DI just wish I could.

I wish. I wish.

Galinsoga

Lex Moon

12-03-08, 23:03

I don't think I'll be in Harbin. Whats the best big city to monger in China? Thanks.
Guangzhou railway station is the best place now.
You can get HJ for just US$5 & BJ for US$10.

FernandoAlonso

12-05-08, 03:48

As my plane to finally come back leaves tomorrow, could someone PM me a few actual proxies? I am way behind in writing my reports and hope I can finally do this while back in China

Thanks a lot

FA

Fran123

12-05-08, 04:54

What Chinese city is best for mongering? I understand Hong Kong is expensive. What is the going rate for Chinese women that are (7-10 on a 10 pt scale?) Is China lady boy (yuck!) free?

Best city is Shangri-La in Tibet. In Shangri-La you will find mystical, harmonious, earthly paradise females on a 10 pt scale. For more information contact Wing One Low's Fourm or else RTFF

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=819784#post819784

Tiger 888

12-05-08, 05:22

Best city is Shangri-La in Tibet. In Shangri-La you will find mystical, harmonious, earthly paradise females on a 10 pt scale. For more information contact Wing One Low's Fourm or else RTFF

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=819784#post819784I prefere Shambala. It's said that there they are all virgins.

Bnlee2

12-06-08, 04:43

With out a doubt the top mongering city in China is Harbin. Especially this time of year because the beaches are absolutely packed with beautiful topless gals.

HJ-RMB20
BJ-RMB25
FS-RMB50

Never heard of lady boys anywhere in China

ESEaglestar,

You forgot to tell him about the many nude beaches open this time of the year. Girls, Girls Girls just walking up and down the beach in their birthday suit. That is what Harbin is famous for, known to many as the 'French Riviera ' of North Asia.

SE Asia Joe

12-06-08, 06:13

it's ok to dis the mean green machine occasionally. they are not weak and sensitive like some playboys in hk :-). they can take a few jokes.

al qeada, oth, are a bunch of sensitive fags who could never take a joke. if you dis al qeada, they will send a bunch of martyrs to hk to help you get into heaven, leaving all hk virgins to me...hehehe.

cpepuke has been polishing his military tactics, so you may see him show up on your door step in rag head with an ak-47. it's a sight to behold to see cpexpuke tighten his geriatric [CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132) in case he expunges unexpectedly in combat... put on his bifocals...looking down the ak-47 barrel to figure out which end he should aim at his target... hehehe.

he should remember his military training from his aman to aim the big wooden butt at his victim and squeeze the trigger. that would really hurt the infidels...
and you - oh the great owl - hath spoken, and proclaimed that it is ok to hurt the feelings of the u.s. military personnel.

ok - you may probably have a gripe with the way that they probably treated you and your family when you had to leave your homeland - but you are now living in the united states and these brave young men and women are actually dying in defense of the country that has generously taken you in.

how dare you now subject them to ridicule? you really really have a sick slant on what is "fun" and what is just way beyond the boundaries of propriety.

why don't you just stay in tijuana?!

seaj

Old Mean Dog

12-06-08, 19:22

And YOU - oh The Great OWL - hath spoken, and proclaimed that it is OK to hurt the feelings of the U.S. military personnel.

OK - you may probably have a gripe with the way that they probably treated you and your family when you had to leave your homeland - but you are now living in the United States and these brave young men and women are actually dying in defense of the country that has generously taken you in.

HOW DARE you now subject them to ridicule? You really really have a sick slant on what is "fun" and what is just way beyond the boundaries of propriety.

Why don't you just stay in Tijuana?!

SEAJ

We all know OWL is a wanker, now let's just hope he understands di di mao.

-CPE

Its A Secret

12-07-08, 11:27

Bnlee2

12-07-08, 19:36

Hello,

I have been lurking on these boards for a little bit. Me and a friend are traveling to China soon to teach english. Another friend of mine has an older brother who did the same thing awhile back for a year. He says he was lonely the entire time and keeps telling me I shouldn't go. So I am having some hesitation going there.

I've tried meeting some girls on CLL and I was swamped with messages, I am decently good-looking, and many of them kept commenting on my green eyes. So I guess my question is, do you think I will be able to find a gf while I am there or were alot of those girls scammers etc? I am hearing conflicting things and would like to ask the guys actually living over there.

Thanks!Since you are going to be an english teacher in China, therefore I know you can read well.

There is a lot of stuff written on what you are asking. So, I'm going to say. RTFF

And you will find your answer. Since you are a long time lurker, you should know already.

If you want to ask a senior member privately then get a membership to the Forum. Jackson is a heck of a guy putting up with us. So make his life a bit easier.

Csun213

12-08-08, 03:33

Hello,

I have been lurking on these boards for a little bit. Me and a friend are traveling to China soon to teach english. Another friend of mine has an older brother who did the same thing awhile back for a year. He says he was lonely the entire time and keeps telling me I shouldn't go. So I am having some hesitation going there.

I've tried meeting some girls on CLL and I was swamped with messages, I am decently good-looking, and many of them kept commenting on my green eyes. So I guess my question is, do you think I will be able to find a gf while I am there or were alot of those girls scammers etc? I am hearing conflicting things and would like to ask the guys actually living over there.

Thanks!

If you are planning on finding a real girlfriend while you are there, there is a good chance you will find one. But if you just want to find a girlfriend to service you for free and then leave her when it is time to go home, then you are the scammer. If you want just to have fun sex then just pay for it and don't go the girlfriend route.

As for scaming, it is very easy to avoid as in any country. Just remember a few rules, don't lend anyone money, don't invest in business and you will be fine.

Jacoharts

12-08-08, 04:26

You want an honest answer: Forget it.

If she is Chinese, female and single, she ain't gonna get a tourist visa. You would have much better chances getting her a business visa to the states, but that requires a legit business to sponsor her. She still has to meet certain requirements though.

-CPEThanks CPExpat, That is what I thought. What about if we get married? Does that get her here permanently? This visa stuff sucks!

Jac

SE Asia Joe

12-08-08, 05:22

Originally Posted by One Wing Low
It's Ok to dis the mean green machine occasionally. They are not weak and sensitive like some playboys in HK :-). They can take a few jokes.
..........///////
Originally posted by CPExpat:
It's OK for military to dis military, not some douche bag to do it. Say this stuff in front of a soldier, sailor, airman or marine and see how long it takes them to kick in all your teeth.
di di mao
-CPE

We all know OWL is a wanker, now let's just hope he understands di di mao.
-CPE
Hey CP - you're of course correct - but this guy's really gone way beyond what is acceptable.
One thing that I find incredible is that he keeps up this tirade against the U.S. Military, when he actually frequents Tijuana - and I'm sure there are lots of Vets who also goes down there and who knows him.
///
Anyway - the flwg is what I posted on his thread - and again my apologies to one and all for wasting bandwidth etc; Thanks
SEAJ

Sick Homo Joe is showing he has a big hard-on for the US Army.... hehehe.

Sick Homo Joe probably wants to date the US Marine Corp., but if he doesnt try his best to cover his homo inclination, he will be banned.

Let's get back to the girls, fun and sex issues.
Omigawd... You REALLY are one sick Mother Fxxker aren't you!

Not only are you dissing on them , now you're actually portraying the U.S. Military as a target for homosexual activity.

You really are sick.

SEAJ

Bnlee2

12-08-08, 06:06

All you guys arguing on the forum is just wasting precious bandwidth.

"Can't we all get along" as quoted by Rodney King. that dude got his ass seriously kicked.

Here is my proposal. Temporarily put all your differences aside. I will rent a room at for all of you guys to go into and settle all your differences. Maybe a large room so that OWL could demonstate his exotic kung fu kicks. I will bring in a few unemployed factory worker that needs some cash and OWL could demonstrate his machismo and attempt or demonstrate is ball kicking abilities in a flash. SEA Joe, Cpexpat, OAH, OWL and a few others (maybe with so many unemploy factory workers I could get a group dressing up as the "Village People" so that it can make it an international event. Since the group will represent almost every segment of the current society from military, ethnic to the gay or whatever) could get into ring for a no rules all star wrestling event. To top it off, I will ring the room with a dozen KTV foxes that I will personally select, so that they can cheer everyone on and take care of the wounded, maimed or anyone that needs a bit of TLC before, during and after the event.

Disclaimer: OWL when you demo your ball kicking abilities, please be aware that if these local boys realize that you are aiming for their balls, they may be wise and attempt to do the same to you. As for the "Village People", just hope that the unemployed workers that I will have dress up for the event do not understand english, if so they may be slight pissed at what names you are calling them.

PS. Sorry for the wild thoughts. I just got back from a long bachelors party and a bit drunk. Cut the arguments and lets get back to basic. PUS$Y Hunting and naked pics.

As for me

Its A Secret

12-08-08, 07:42

If you are planning on finding a real girlfriend while you are there, there is a good chance you will find one.Alright, thanks. There seems to be alot of information on relationships of the paid variety, but I'm talking about an actual relationship that might go somewhere: P and my friends brother keeps telling me he was lonely there the whole time, which seems to directly conflict with what I have read here. Hence why I am seeking some info on this issue.

Old Mean Dog

12-08-08, 14:44

Hello,

I have been lurking on these boards for a little bit. Me and a friend are traveling to China soon to teach english. Another friend of mine has an older brother who did the same thing awhile back for a year. He says he was lonely the entire time and keeps telling me I shouldn't go. So I am having some hesitation going there.

I've tried meeting some girls on CLL and I was swamped with messages, I am decently good-looking, and many of them kept commenting on my green eyes. So I guess my question is, do you think I will be able to find a gf while I am there or were alot of those girls scammers etc? I am hearing conflicting things and would like to ask the guys actually living over there.

Thanks!

Like I heard from someone else "The girls in China are easier than 3rd grade math". It's a piece of cake to get a gf here, even easier just to buy a shot of ass now and then, if you don't really want a relationship.

Since you will be teaching English, if it is a language training center for adults, you will have tons of gals flocking to you (if you don't want to dabble with the students, they still have friends they will introduce to you). If your teaching kiddies, then they have older sisters as well as the other female teachers.

If your friend's older brother was lonely and alone here, it was because he was either ugly as sin or incredibly shy.

-CPE

BruceTea

12-08-08, 15:15

Since you will be teaching English, if it is a language training center for adults, you will have tons of gals flocking to you (if you don't want to dabble with the students, they still have friends they will introduce to you). If your teaching kiddies, then they have older sisters as well as the other female teachers.

If your friend's older brother was lonely and alone here, it was because he was either ugly as sin or incredibly shy.
-CPE

Hahaha, true to some extent.

It's a no-no to have a relationship with students.

Relationships with student's relatives or whatever can also complicate things to a point where nothing a guy does will be private.

Friends and friends of friends can also get back to the classroom/campus/internet. As for relationships with coworkers, find out if some institutions have rules about same-department dating. Many businesses and education institutions have rules that forbids coworkers dating or having a married couple on the same floor.

I lived in China for 5 years and thought the dating culture was geared toward either marriage within 3 months or a breakup with monetary penalty. I wanted someone with culture and intelligence and some independence but all the girls who flocked to me were those who are superficial and have nothing to do but fantasize. Sure it's fun to date and all, but pretty much at the end of it all, I end up with paying for stuff and getting her hopes up without any results.

So 5 years, over 20 relationships, and to tell the truth, I ended the last year or two pretty lonely and couldn't bring myself to dating. It was really depressing.

I went back to NYC and had tons of short term and uninhibited dating. Lots more fun, lot less pressure to be bondaged, and many of the girls I did had a better resume than me. It's a huge reversal of fortunes.

SE Asia Joe

12-09-08, 08:42

Alright, thanks. There seems to be alot of information on relationships of the paid variety, but I'm talking about an actual relationship that might go somewhere: P and my friends brother keeps telling me he was lonely there the whole time, which seems to directly conflict with what I have read here. Hence why I am seeking some info on this issue.
As everywhere else, it is not correct to make generalization about China.

On the other hand, one only needs to look at raw data to figure out that its practically a crime to be lonely in china! 1.3 billion chinese - roughly half females! How can any one be lonely in China?

There are women.... everywhere and of any variety you could imagine. Poor, Rich, young, old, middle aged, ignorant, highly educated, beautiful, ugly, horny, virgins, virginal, fat, thin etc- ANY and ALL variety. On top of that, since there is a preponderance of ladies who are of lesser economic status than the average Western visitor, the power of the $$ will definitely favor you. Just be careful and carry your wits at all times with you.

Also, treat our Chinese ladies as just another regular human being - and you are guaranteed against loneliness in china.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

12-09-08, 09:44

Soulman posted this up a few months ago FYI:

http://www.teachabroadchina.com/dat...d-sex-in-china/

Dating and Sex in China
Written by Robert Vance on May 25, 2008 – 10:16 pm “Two American men were deported for sleeping with too many girls,” a foreign friend reported to me sometime ago. “They gave a number of girls hope about marriage and traveling to America and the girls willingly gave themselves to the guys.” My friend was a teacher in a small town in Central China were news always traveled fast. She explained that when the girls realized that they had been ‘used’, they complained to the local authorities who promptly arrested the men and sent them out of the country.

While such stories are relatively rare in China, there is little doubt that Chinese women are regularly taken advantage of by a handful of the thousands of foreigners who are living and working in China. Some foreigners arrive in China with the attitude that this country is a ‘playland’ and that taking advantage of Chinese women will have no consequences. Still, there many more foreigners in China who just happen to meet a nice girl that they are truly interested in. Thus, the million dollar question presents itself. Is it a good idea for foreigners to date Chinese women?

The simple answer to this question is ‘yes.’ But wait. don’t close this page quite yet. There are a few tips that you should have in your mind before you step into the Chinese dating scene.

–Be honest with your girflfriend about your intentions. If you are only going to be living in China temporarily, make sure that she understand this. Do not lead her on by giving her false hope for the future. Doing this could cause trouble for you later on.
–PDA (Public Display of Affection) is still highly frowned upon in many parts of China. Kissing and even holding hands in public is considered improper by the older generation.
–Going to visit your girlfriend’s hometown is often seen as a serious step towards marriage in China. If you are invited to visit your girlfriends’ hometown during a holiday, be careful. Accepting the invitation may send the wrong message to her and her family.
–In traditional culture, the fewer boyfriends that a girl has before marriage, the better. Ideally, a girl should marry her first boyfriend.
–Having multiple girlfriends in China is never a good idea. As I wrote about earlier, acting ‘the playboy’ in China could have serious consquences on the status of your visa.
A quiet yet powerful sexual revolution seems to have been spreading through China since the turn of the millenium. Attitudes about sex before marriage are gradually changing amongst the younger generation. I wrote about this change a few months ago in an article entitled Sex and Hypocrisy - The Edison Chen Scandal. However, engaging in sexual activity with a Chinese girl is still not a wise decision for the following reasons:

–If your girlfriend’s parents discover that you are involved sexually with their daughter, there may be ‘hell to pay.’ Chinese parents are often extremely protective over their ‘adult’ children and you could find yourself in serious legal and physical danger. I have heard stories about enraged parents who have taken matters into their own hands if they feel that their daughter’s honor has been somehow compromised.
–If the local police happen to notice that a young lady is spending an inordinate amount of time at your apartment, they may suspect that she is a hired prostitute. I have heard stories of foreigners being deported on the basis of that very suspicion.
–Impregnating a Chinese girl is a serious matter in China. Do not assume that because you are a foreigner that you will be able to just leave the girl and let her ‘fend for herself.’ Passports of foreigners who impregnated Chinese girls have been blocked before so don’t count on leaving the country.
–For most girls in China, having sex is a sign of a serious relationship that is headed towards marriage. While there are always exceptions, most Chinese girls do not want to be simply used as a ‘plaything.’ Thus, engaging in sex should never be taken lightly.
Never forget that you are a guest in China. You are an unofficial representative of your country and every action that you take will be scrutinized by someone. It is also important to remember that Chinese girls, like any other girls around the world, have feelings. In a country where boy-girl relationships are not taken lightly, being given hope by a foreigner, used for ‘pleasure’, and then abandoned, could destroy a girl’s outlook on life. You also need to understand the concept of ‘family shame’ in China. Bringing shame upon a Chinese girl will also bring shame upon her family. In some areas of China, such shame could result in the girl being treated as an outcast in her family and village or even being subjected to physical abuse.

There is nothing inherently wrong with having a girlfriend in China. Such a relationship can you help you become better acclimated to the culture and learn more about your city. It can also be a good way for you to have a positive impact on a Chinese girl’s life. However, it may be a good idea to treat this relationship more as a friendship unless you are seriously considering marrying the young lady. Just be careful and think about the consequences of your actions not only for yourself but also for the Chinese girl and her family.

Csun213

12-10-08, 03:57

Alright, thanks. There seems to be alot of information on relationships of the paid variety, but I'm talking about an actual relationship that might go somewhere: P and my friends brother keeps telling me he was lonely there the whole time, which seems to directly conflict with what I have read here. Hence why I am seeking some info on this issue.

I believe your brother would be very lonely if no one told him to find the girls. I mean, you can't just walk around asking people where to find sex. Even if you see a BBS, how would you know if it is legit or not unless you speak the language?

This is why this forum is so great for newbies.

Now that you have been reading up on this site, I think you would find China to be a very cheap and fun place.

One word of advice, if you want a girl friend, then go and find one. If you want sex, then I would just pay for it. You might get into real trouble if you are just using a girl for sex but are not serious about her.

I would suggest strongly you read the post below as it is very true.

Its A Secret

12-11-08, 10:25

I believe your brother would be very lonely if no one told him to find the girls.I am not interested at all in "p4p". Not my style, but hey - whatever floats your boat :-)

This is what I am asking... are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men? Does a western man have a better chance of finding a girl in China than in the US? Almost every girl I've talked to off of Chineselovelinks has told me "they don't like chinese guys". Just wondering if many girls over there have this mentality. One girl told me of a foreigner teacher who had 20+ girlfriends, then was fired / deported >.>

My friends brother claims he was lonely during his year-long stay there. He is not ugly, although freakishly tall, like 6'5 or something. Maybe being too tall in China is a turn-off?

Ultimately something is not adding up, thus I am coming here to this forum for more input from you westerners actually living over there.

Note that the 20+ girlfriend scenario is not my goal, rather to find a hot/nice girl for a relationship that will go somewhere.

Thanks for the input!

Le Grand

12-11-08, 23:46

.. are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men? ..

Gross generalization .... it depends a lot on the skin colour of the "western" men.

If you are white, there are a sizable group of Chinese girls who will be interested in you because they are curious and that you are perceived to be rich. But, if you have dark skin, say blacks from America or Indians or Pakistanis from England, you will have a much harder time. Dark skinned people are generally perceived to be less educated, less affluent and, strangely, smelly.

Even prostitutes tend to look down on prostitutes that service dark skinned folks. A Chinese girl I knew had an Indian boy friend. She was looked upon as some sort of freak when she went out with him - and that was in Shanghai.

Again, these are gross generalization.

Mmlouie

12-12-08, 04:31

I am not interested at all in "p4p". Not my style, but hey - whatever floats your boat :-)

This is what I am asking... are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men? Does a western man have a better chance of finding a girl in China than in the US? Almost every girl I've talked to off of Chineselovelinks has told me "they don't like chinese guys". Just wondering if many girls over there have this mentality. One girl told me of a foreigner teacher who had 20+ girlfriends, then was fired / deported >.>

My friends brother claims he was lonely during his year-long stay there. He is not ugly, although freakishly tall, like 6'5 or something. Maybe being too tall in China is a turn-off?

Ultimately something is not adding up, thus I am coming here to this forum for more input from you westerners actually living over there.

Note that the 20+ girlfriend scenario is not my goal, rather to find a hot/nice girl for a relationship that will go somewhere.

Thanks for the input!To answer you, I have to specific; most Chinese girls will prefer western men to local "Chinese" men. 2nd question, yes and no. You got to understand women over 30 in China are considered "old" and if you are over 30 and not married, your chances of finding a husband marrying you diminished as each day passes. Besides, their parents will nag them to death. So, what do you think that girls at cll are going to tell you? That they prefer Chinese men and that is why that are talking to you? Their preferences is oversea Chinese men, educated and financially secured with Chinese culture background. But they will go with anyone who can provide them with the above and get them out of China, it is a privilege considering married out of China.

I am sure this is up for debate, chime in fellows.

Flood800

12-12-08, 05:24

[QUOTE=Its A Secret]I am not interested at all in "p4p". Not my style, but hey - whatever floats your boat :-)

This is what I am asking... are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men? Does a western man have a better chance of finding a girl in China than in the US? ...

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Originally Posted by Its A Secret

…are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men?

IMHO the quick answer is ‘no’. Proportionally, there are less Chinese girls attracted to a Westerner, they prefer their own kind. There are large numbers of Chinese girls/women (large population in China! :D ) who are interested in Westerners for various reasons (mostly money!), some of them may even be looking for a serious relationship, such as marriage to a none Chinese male. Please do take note of what Le Grand said in his post, it is very true.

I think you have a better chance of find a nice wife or long term partner in China, after my many trips there, especially Shanghai, now, I find girls/women in the US and places like England tiresome, too boring (I have little interest in what they call it fun) and too demanding, got too much to say, too opinionated, or too stupid.

Now come to the hard bit, how do you meet a Chinese girl/woman who really likes you, not your ATM, or your passport. The best way is to work for a large multinational company have offices I Shanghai, or become a teacher. As that is the best way to meet the ‘right’ type of girls who are, generally speaking, intelligent, probably able to speak at least English plus another language or two.

The other way is try the web, but that is very much a hit or miss, with more miss I suspect.

Being tall is not a handicap, the key is where he goes to look for girls, and the way he goes about it. It takes a lot of patience, a bit like fishing; get them interested, draw them in, when they start to talk to you, start to reel them in real slow. The investment is mostly in time, and some money, but if you get the right girl, it will worth the efforts.

The ‘good’ girls of Shanghai or other large Chinese cities are mostly looking for someone treat them well, someone they respect, sort like a big brother or father figure. After you fulfil other qualifications such as a decent job, single etc. The plus side is that if you are serious about the girl you met, and she is serious about you, then she will be yours forever, so don’t say you have not been warned! :D

The teacher you mentioned probably got fired for playing the ‘field’, especially if it involved a number of his students, he would got fired in the West if he did that. If you just have one serious relationship with a Chinese girl, there should be no problems.

One big plus as far as Westerners are concerned, what Chinese male sees beauty is different from the Western eyes, so there will not be too much competition.

My apologies for going on a bit, if you have any questions, just ask, I am sure someone here will give you the right answer.

Enjoy

Bnlee2

12-12-08, 05:54

This is what I am asking... are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men? Does a western man have a better chance of finding a girl in China than in the US? Almost every girl I've talked to off of Chineselovelinks has told me "they don't like chinese guys". Just wondering if many girls over there have this mentality. One girl told me of a foreigner teacher who had 20+ girlfriends, then was fired / deported >.>!Please do not take this comment as racist but you are probably a "caucasian' and probably another 'caucasian' told you that Chinese girls prefer western men. I believe that is your perception and I think it is a wrong perception. As one of the other responder has indicated, what asian men see beauty in an asian girl is different that what a 'caucasian' would see. We prefer girls with much paler skin tone than you. Yes, I'm asian if you are wondering by now. On website gear more toward the west, of course the girls will say whatever you want to hear. On this site they are hoping to catch a big fish, whatever bait they need to throw out there. Knowing that most of the men are westerner, won't it be crazy for the girl to say, they do not like westerners? Think about it. Just think if I was on a website in America and say that most white girls in my state loves only 'black guys'. Please do not take this as a flame but just think about it.

Most Chinese girls that are interested in western men are more interested in economic than love. There are some that are attracted to westerner but most are looking at getting out of the economic 'shithole' that they have live most of their lives.

The perception and face plays alot in daily asian life inside Asia. I was told by several girls in the office why they do not date non Chinese. Several of them told me that if the relationship got serious and they took you home (usually far from the coast) their neighbor and family friends may see them as a common '*****'. If you were non Chinese, non white, then there would be a whole lot of whispering behind your back. Conservative family value still exist in it most primitive form here in China.

I really do not want to go into further detail and flame alot of members here but this is a very sensitive issue that you have brought up. I will end it here. Maybe if you want, you can PM me and I will go into more detail on this.

Old Mean Dog

12-12-08, 06:28

I am not interested at all in "p4p". Not my style, but hey - whatever floats your boat :-)

This is what I am asking... are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men? Does a western man have a better chance of finding a girl in China than in the US? Almost every girl I've talked to off of Chineselovelinks has told me "they don't like chinese guys". Just wondering if many girls over there have this mentality. One girl told me of a foreigner teacher who had 20+ girlfriends, then was fired / deported >.>

Thanks for the input!

My first question to you is: If you are not into P4P or riskee things, why are you on ISG? I would think most all the members here, especially in the China section, are into BBS, KTV, Sauna, Freebie Hunters and just general naughty shit.

Seems you would do better on some other website dealing with serious cross-cultural relationship stuff.

My first suggestion to you: Stay off of CLL or any of those other international relationship websites. Majority of those girls are fakes, gold-diggers and/or playgirls.

Second suggestion: If you are friendly, a bit outgoing and make an effort to learn some of their language and culture, then you will not have a problem.

It make take a little time for you to get settled in here and learn the ropes, but once you do, it's smooth sailing.

-CPE

Old Mean Dog

12-12-08, 10:22

Here is another option for a girlfriend:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465844,00.html

I'm sure they can make a Chinese version that has hairy armpits, funky breath and demands money all the time ;)

-CPE

Mmlouie

12-12-08, 16:43

One big plus as far as Westerners are concerned, what Chinese male sees beauty is different from the Western eyes, so there will not be too much competition.

Enjoy[/QUOTE]That comment is spot on.

OldAsiaHand

12-13-08, 03:40

This is what I am asking... are chinese girls more attracted to western men than they are their local men?

Flame me for generalizing, but IMHO, all things being equal, the vast majority of Chinese girls will go for a local man over a western man every time. The key is "all things being equal" in terms of looks, money, age, etc. It is much easier for them because of the language and culture. Chinese women are very practical.

There are exceptions, but the percentage is small. Just look around. You see many more Thai & Filipina girls with western men than you see Chinese.

Just my POV.

OAH

Its A Secret

12-13-08, 05:03

Wizard561

12-13-08, 06:26

There are exceptions, but the percentage is small. Just look around. You see many more Thai & Filipina girls with western men than you see Chinese.

I agree, but the other 2 asian races you mentioned have had the opertunity to interact with western man for decades and decades as opossed to the last 10 to 15 years for Chinese.

Wizard

Weelock

12-13-08, 08:15

Flame me for generalizing, but IMHO, all things being equal, the vast majority of Chinese girls will go for a local man over a western man every time. The key is "all things being equal" in terms of looks, money, age, etc. It is much easier for them because of the language and culture. Chinese women are very practical.

There are exceptions, but the percentage is small. Just look around. You see many more Thai & Filipina girls with western men than you see Chinese.

Just my POV.

OAH

My 2 cents

In the USA/England/Canada/Australia there is a large percentage of Asian or Chinese girls going/marrying Caucasian guys. The percentage is FAR FAR greater than Asian guys going/marrying white girls. In fact, many white girls will never go out on a date with an Asian male if there are ever asked. Then many Asian girls don't even like being their own race. Non whites, minorities, sometimes feel like there are second class citizens.

In my opinion it mainly do to height advantage of Caucasians. Next, seeing plenty of Western movies with Caucasian stars like BLT doesn't help. Then you add a few negatives on Asian males due to their background and culture. As a result, there is a large percentage of Asian girls that are interested in Caucasian males in the USA/England/Canada/Australia. For whites girls with Asian males it's almost impossible. White girls feel there are a lower class in society in some ways.

B = Brad Pitt
L = Leonardo DiCaprio
T = Tom Cruise

Someone made a funny video at an university in California on "Why Asian guys can't get white girls". It has a funny ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bWYFGBTuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3lPLsbwjw

This debate can go on and on.......

Mmlouie

12-13-08, 20:10

My 2 cents

In the USA/England/Canada/Australia there is a large percentage of Asian or Chinese girls going/marrying Caucasian guys. The pecentage is far greater than Asian guys going/marrying white girls. In fact, many will never go out with an Asian male if there are ever asked. Then many Asian girls don't even like their own race.

In my opinion it mainly do to height advantage of Caucasians. Next, seeing plenty of Western movies with Caucasian stars like BLT doesn't help. Then you add few negatives on Asian males due to their background and culture. Therefore, there is a large percentage of Asian girls that are interested in Caucasian males in the USA/England/Canada/Australia but NOT all are interested.

B = Brad Pitt
L = Leonardo DiCaprio
T = Tom Cruise

Someone made a funny video at a University in California on "Why Asian guys can't get white girls". It has a funny ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bWYFGBTuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3lPLsbwjw

This debate can go on and on.......I believed the question was about getting Chinese women in China. As bnlee quoted; it is about face, that is everything to them. That is something that non-Chinese person will ever understand. But you are correct in some of your quotes, Chinese women in other countries are not into their face or would they ever care or understand what that means, so it is much easier to find them out of China. Another thing about China Chinese women, they do not consider looks as their priority is choosing a mate. If fact, they do not want to marry someone in the BLT category.

Dazhiba

12-13-08, 22:24

Have been to China six times now, north and south. I am a professional white male, late 40's, average height, thinning hair, not over weight, but no Brad Pitt for sure. I met so many beauties I lost count, many freebies and a few that were almost free. The gals all loved my size (dick) even if it scared them at first. One of the hottest was a MILF in Beijing late 30's? And a great body. She was employed by a big cell phone company. We fucked for most of three days and she would cum all over me and say " you so good for me". Another gal in SZ was an accountant, very straight laced. Both told me they liked my confidence and not like the arogance of some Chinese guys who were successful. So, I think a lot of it just comes down to attitude. How you carry youself, without acting like some hardass jerk. Be polite, etc. Same stuff your mom told you to do, LOL! Anyway, I had to get my 2 cents in.

Stay safe.

OldAsiaHand

12-14-08, 06:24

My 2 cents

In the USA/England/Canada/Australia there is a large percentage of Asian or Chinese girls going/marrying Caucasian guys. The percentage is far far greater than Asian guys going/marrying white girls. In fact, many will never go out with an Asian male if there are ever asked. Then many Asian girls don't even like being their own race. Non whites, minorities feel like there are second class citizens.

In my opinion it mainly do to height advantage of Caucasians. Next, seeing plenty of Western movies with Caucasian stars like BLT doesn't help. Then you add a few negatives on Asian males due to their background and culture. As a result, there is a large percentage of Asian girls that are interested in Caucasian males in the USA/England/Canada/Australia.

B = Brad Pitt
L = Leonardo DiCaprio
T = Tom Cruise

Someone made a funny video at a university in California on "Why Asian guys can't get white girls". It has a funny ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bWYFGBTuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3lPLsbwjw

This debate can go on and on.......

Weelock,

In a western environment, the scenario is much different from China. First of all, the society is more tolerant, especially in the metropolitan areas of western countries. In China, a Chinese girl with a foreigner may be looked down upon, especially by middle aged men.

Second, Asian women in western countries have been "westernized" to a certain extent, can speak English and have become accustomed to the local culture. Some of them were even born and grew up in the country as second or even third generation.

You cannot compare these Asian women with those that were born and raised in China and never been out of the country for longer than a holiday at best.

Yes, the movies have an affect on a few (my scenario for example) to look for the "romanticism" they see, but IMHO, most would prefer security in the comfort of their homeland given the opportunity from a local guy.

Just my POV.

OAH

Old Mean Dog

12-14-08, 06:54

Weelock,

In a western environment, the scenario is much different from China. First of all, the society is more tolerant, especially in the metropolitan areas of western countries. In China, a Chinese girl with a foreigner may be looked down upon, especially by middle aged men.

OAH

You are probably correct in all this, but I know for a fact that in a modern city like Shenzhen (even GZ and SH), in the modern areas of town where the younger educated gals 20-30 hangout, it's very easy to get a gf, hell even one-night stands are not uncommon here.

Like Sukhimviter and I were discussing Western restaurants; You never see a middle aged Chinese man or a Chinese family in these restaurants, but it is not uncommon to see 20-30 year old girls in them, either on a date with a foreigner or with other female friends.

-CPE

Bnlee2

12-14-08, 07:47

Thank you everyone for the replies. It is interesting to hear all of your perspectives. I have wanted to travel to china just for an adventure, but I have been talking to a girl online and she seems worth meeting, for one she doesn't care about money or getting a greencard.Everyone of those girls will tell you that all they are looking for is true love. They do not want money nor care about greencard.

The reality of it is that, they do care about money and greencard. She tell her that you are a real nice guy that is currently unemploy, not a red cent in the bank account and hope that one day you will be the next bill gates. I'm sure that you will never hear from them again.

No girl is her right mind will tell you that she wants to marry a rich guy and want to get the heck out of China. You may think she cares a lot about you after chatting with you a few times. But you need to get real, she is probably sending the email you got to ten other guys hoping to bring in a big fish.

Bottom line. Get real and don't get sucker in. read between the line. Just remember, once you marry them, things begin to change. After a few years they become totally westernize. You will be back to china and seeking fun that is no longer available at home.

The only true girlfriend is the wife/mistress/gf of another man. Usually those gals are just a bit more horny, underused due to their man working so much. They are not after money nor greencard. They have all the comforts in society with the exception of getting enough sex. I just love freebies that just want fun. My only warning is to check out her significant other, make sure the guy is not a big official of the Party and get a picture of the dude so that you will know if he ever comes after you.

Living on the danger side is a bit more fun. just my two rmb on this. enjoy china and what it have to offer.

Le Grand

12-15-08, 00:21

[QUOTE=Its A Secret]
One big plus as far as Westerners are concerned, what Chinese male sees beauty is different from the Western eyes, so there will not be too much competition.

I found that to be quite true. I like voluptuous (but not fat) women with big tits and ass. A lot of chinese tend to associate such features with lower class peaseants from the farms and as such less desirable. All the better for me :-)

Le Grand

12-15-08, 00:34

The only true girlfriend is the wife/mistress/gf of another man. Usually those gals are just a bit more horny, underused due to their man working so much. They are not after money nor greencard. They have all the comforts in society with the exception of getting enough sex.

Never thought of it that way ... but how true!

RodneyRude

12-15-08, 11:36

Old Mean Dog

12-15-08, 17:02

Hi Guys,

I'm looking at teaching english at a college oruniversity, anybody else on here teaching English in China?..was wondering how easy it is to score freebies as an english teacher?

Thanks in advance.

Rude

Hmmmm....

If you haven't noticed, that is what we are talking about now, go back one page and read up to your post.

-CPE

Red Rock II

12-16-08, 01:24

I am back to the States now, but I don't want to lose the contacts with girls that I met in my last trip to china. I bought an iPhone through AT&T. I set languge to Chinese, and able to send a text message in chinese to the girls in china. But when the girls reply my message in chinese, I can't get it, I mean I receive nothing! But if they reply my message in English, I can get it.

Anyone has experience on this issue? Thanks in advance!

RR

Weelock

12-16-08, 04:48

Hi Guys,

I'm looking at teaching english at a college oruniversity, anybody else on here teaching English in China?..was wondering how easy it is to score freebies as an english teacher?

Thanks in advance.

RudeSomeone told me an English teacher at an University in Shanghai was sleeping with his students a few years ago. I don’t know the entire store but I think word got around and because he was bragging about it on the internet. He was keeping a log of his conquests. Many professors and people were trying to find the guy to kick him out of China.

For freebies and university students, the possibilities are very high especially if you are at least average looking and Caucasian. The negative side, you will surely lose your job if caught sleeping with your students. If you are on an one year teaching contract, most schools with pay for your plane ticket. Well forget about the ticket going home. For freebies outside of work, in my opinion should NOT be an issue with the school but be very discreet.

Do a search, this subject teacher and student relationship has been discussed many times before. Just last week someone asked the same question.

SE Asia Joe

12-16-08, 05:29

It Escapes Me What The Acronym Is
Hmmmm....

-CPE

R-odney
T-ry to
F-ind it
F-irst

or It's:

R-eallly rude
T-o expect replies without you at least
F-irst
F-xxking doing your own part

Or - perhaps.... could it probably be:

R-ead
T-he
F-xxking
F-orum

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

12-16-08, 05:56

Direct PRC-Taiwan Links started this week and it spells trouble for us on a couple fronts:

1. Direct bus transport between points in Guangdong (SZ, DGG etc) from Hong Kong, including the airport will see a drastic drop off in patronage; which in turn means that lots of these direct bus routes are gonna be cut. Trouble for us Hong Kongers as well as foreigners coming via HKG.
2. More Taiwanese will nowadays go home more often = less business for the various establishments around China. Will this mean more for us or will it jus result in places closing down?
3. More Taiwanese Wives are gonna commute to the PRC - same question as 2
4. More Taiwanese who didn't use to monger in PRC is nowadays gonna be able to take week-end sex trips to China. OHMIGAWD!!
5. More of our lovely young ladies are gonna end up doing their thing in Taiwan.

Anything else?

SEAJ

Wadman

12-16-08, 06:25

Pretty much the same thing happened to me when I sent messages to Soulman's Blackberry (with an account in the US). English messages were going through fine, both ways. But when I sent him messages in Chinese (directions he can show the taxi drivers), he never received them.

I am back to the States now, but I don't want to lose the contacts with girls that I met in my last trip to china. I bought an iPhone through AT&T. I set languge to Chinese, and able to send a text message in chinese to the girls in china. But when the girls reply my message in chinese, I can't get it, I mean I receive nothing! But if they reply my message in English, I can get it.

Anyone has experience on this issue? Thanks in advance!

RR

Wadman

12-16-08, 06:31

SE Asia Joe

12-16-08, 06:43

Tiger 888

12-16-08, 07:40

SE Asia Joe

12-16-08, 08:04

Air Macau and Macau airport laid off a lot of staff since they are possibly in trouble. Their business was mainly focused on the Taiwanese.
Actually, I think that Macau as a whole is going be losing a lot of jobs and business in the near future.

Tourist arrivals - especially from the mainland - has hit a brick wall and even the casinos seems to be getting into a bit of a pickle and I believe that all sort of construction projects are being put on hold.

This Financial tsunami is going to change a lot of things all over the place.

The China-Taiwan direct fliight link is just one additional problem that we in Southern China's gonna have to face up to.

SEAJ

Tiger 888

12-16-08, 10:24

Actually, I think that Macau as a whole is going be losing a lot of jobs and business in the near future.

Tourist arrivals - especially from the mainland - has hit a brick wall and even the casinos seems to be getting into a bit of a pickle and I believe that all sort of construction projects are being put on hold.

This Financial tsunami is going to change a lot of things all over the place.

The China-Taiwan direct fliight link is just one additional problem that we in Southern China's gonna have to face up to.

SEAJAir Macau suffers from the China-Taiwan link.

The other problems the casinos have, have other reasons (The Venetion-Sands has put all their construction on hold to be financially able to operate the existing places) One of them is that China tries to put breaks on the cash taken to Macau never to be seen again.

As a result, mainland Chinese can only go to Macau twice a year now, and
not even through Hong Kong if they don't have a Macau endorsement.

Macau is definitely a sinking ship. There was too much greed coming up. Maybe the Macanese will now learn some day that money is not coming from the bank but has to be earned.

Fast Eddie 48

12-16-08, 17:56

Air Macau suffers from the China-Taiwan link.

The other problems the casinos have, have other reasons (The Venetion-Sands has put all their construction on hold to be financially able to operate the existing places) One of them is that China tries to put breaks on the cash taken to Macau never to be seen again.

As a result, mainland Chinese can only go to Macau twice a year now, and
not even through Hong Kong if they don't have a Macau endorsement.

Macau is definitely a sinking ship. There was too much greed coming up. Maybe the Macanese will now learn some day that money is not coming from the bank but has to be earned.

to Tiger

Las Vegas Sands is trying to sell Macau Sands to pay for their 2.2 b USD debt due next month,The Marina Sands in Singapore and Sands Bethlham opening in US is delay.

They grew too much too fast now enconomy is bad and financing is tight world wide not just Macau.

Fast eddie 48

Ace of Spades

12-17-08, 10:48

I will be going to Hong Kong for yet another visa trip after a few days time. Does anybody have an update on things? I am interested in getting the 30 day visa at the Huangang border, if I recall it takes about 20-25 mins. As far as I know LOWU does not give the 1 hour visas out anymore.

I wish to avoid having to stay in Hong Kong over night or even for a few days.

Nightrider1

12-17-08, 21:38

Fast Eddie 48

12-17-08, 22:18

Manfest

12-17-08, 23:40

Weelock

12-18-08, 00:53

I can only assume the SE stands for Stupid Embecile, if you don't want to answer a question you don't have to to numb nuts, when I want shit from you I'll squeeze your neck, one more little tantrum like that and I'll ram a baseball bat up your arse and turn you into a popsicle.

Rude

Mr Rude:

It seems like you are upset because someone told you to read the forum. I think you are wrong, and NOT "SE Asian Joe". ISG member "Its A Secret" asked the same question about teaching English and freebies just last week. Just go back ONE page in the General Info Thread in China and you will find different perspectives and comments by other members. I even gave you my opinion. Therefore you need to read and follow the forum. Please do a search for more posts/suggestions/opinions because this topic has been discussed several time.

Is your goal to have 20+ girl friends like somebody in a post by "Its A Secret" ?

EDIT: A side note, last year there was a large earthquake in Chengdu, Sichuan. About 70,000 people die and most of the infrastructure is being rebuilt. I believe this is were you are planning to teach English.

The Tanuki

12-18-08, 01:58

I can only assume the SE stands for Stupid Embecile, if you don't want to answer a question you don't have to to numb nuts, when I want shit from you I'll squeeze your neck, one more little tantrum like that and I'll ram a baseball bat up your arse and turn you into a popsicle.

Rude
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DoItUnderwater

12-18-08, 02:24

I am a long time Asia monger but have always gone to Thailand and Philippines where for visits under 3 weeks a visa is not needed. Can someone who knows tell me if I need to obtain a VISA to visit China for a week or two. And if I do where do i obtain one . I live in USA. ThankyouYou need to get a visa in the U. S. BEFORE you go to China.

There are two ways you can do that: 1) Go to a Chinese Consulte in the US (Washington DC, San Francisco and Houston) with your passport, photo, money, etc. 2) Use one of the Visa serices and send your info to them to take to the China Consulate. You cannot send your materials directly to the consulate.

There are fees for the Visa and processing fees for the service company. I use a company called Visa Express (I am not affiliated in any way with them) Lots of info on their web site even if you don't use their service. www.visaexpress.net/China/index. Htm

You will love the ladies in China. I know I do (every time I go!)

Its A Secret

12-18-08, 03:04

Bnlee2

12-18-08, 04:10

To enter China (HK and Macau are exceptions), you will need a visa. It doesn't matter how long you stay, it could be 1 hour or 1 month, you still need one. Americans cannot get one at the border, so must have it in the passport before arriving at customs. Any embassy or consulate should be able to handle it.You can get a visa to enter China at one of the visa processing service at the HK Airport. I think if you give it to them before 9AM and pay an express service chg, you will have a visa in hand by 4:30PM the same day. Make sure that your passport size photo is attach and you have not been convicted of a major felony and currently spending a few days in the outside world. If you are clean then there should be no problem.

Yes, for US Citizen. About two years ago, one of my American friend for to get a visa and got one within a day at the HK airport.

Bnlee2

12-18-08, 04:17

I can only assume the SE stands for Stupid Embecile, if you don't want to answer a question you don't have to to numb nuts, when I want shit from you I'll squeeze your neck, one more little tantrum like that and I'll ram a baseball bat up your arse and turn you into a popsicle.

RudeRodneyrude,

You sound like OWL's twin. Can you throw five simultaneous roundhouse kicks, kicking out five attackers? or kicking five of them in the balls as they come after you? Just wondering. Really RTFF. Most of your answer is in the threads. Reading is not bad, it may teach you a few things. Don't worry that you may read a bit slower than others.

Read the rules of this forum. Please do not come into this forum and start rude name calling members.

If you are into baseball bats and ass, you are definitely in the wrong forum.

DoItUnderwater

12-18-08, 04:30

Hey all you guys!

As an introduction, I am an older guy from USA who has been coming to China for work on and off for the last 3 years. I spend a lot of time in Shanghai and have also had the good fortune to go to Beijing, Hong Kong, Shenzhen and Guangzhou. I am generally on a tight budget so tend to go for the BBS girls but not always. Like most of you, I have had some great experiences, some mediocre ones and some big disappointments. That’s life in this game.

I have to thank all you senior members for your great posts and information. As you all say, there is a world of information when we simply RTFF. I have not been good about posting in the past but I hope to improve that in the future. Meanwhile here are a couple pics of a freebie I did a while ago. Divorced woman that said she had not been with a man in many years (not sure I believe that be she sure made up for lost time with me).

Enjoy and stay safe! I am already looking forward to my next trip to Shanghai in February.

Old Mean Dog

12-18-08, 05:23

Alright, so previously, last week I asked for explanation of the asian girl / white guy phenomenon. This week's question: Anyone who can post their experience *dating* non-WGs? Are they generally good/faithful girls? I've been talking on MSN/phone with what I would call a perfect 10, she blows every girl I've dated back home out of the water. Not interested in RodneyReject's 20-girlfriend fantasy, this girl looks like a keeper (she says she will not come to America with me when I have to leave, she wants me to consider staying in China, is she using reverse psychology? ). So far she has found two schools that have called me and set up phone interviews, looked at apartments for me, etc. Are they all like this?

I think your questions belong in the Chinese Women-Opinions and Advice Section rather than here, but I will give you my 2 cents:

My thinking: You play with the 9's and 10's, but marry 8's and below.

If a 9 or 10 has any brains and has been called beautiful more than once, then she knows how to manipulate men. The only exception to this is a 9 or 10 with a good job, but then again, this kind of gal will have very high expectations of you and teaching English will not be one of them.

I remember when I was back in the states and surfing all those Chinese dating /marriage sites, I always picked the 9's and 10's, but after I got here, met some and saw how they operate, I soon realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore.

Majority of 9's and 10's, at least in modern cities, expect a lifestyle commensurate to their beauty. Making 20,000 RMB a month or less, just ain't gonna cut it with them. Renting is looked down on, so you need to buy a nice, new apartment. Rarely do you see 9's and 10's riding buses, so prepare to buy a car. 9's and 10's do not like to cook and/or clean so start looking for a maid.

Now, my thinking might be a bit skewed, but money is religion here. It is the determining factor of a man's self worth. Beauties do not want a simple, common life. I am sure if you search (not online) you can probably find 9's and 10's without this mentality, but remember "Birds of a feather, flock together" and if you do find one and bring her into the big city, it won't take her long to figure out the game, once she starts making friends with other beauties.

I have had a few non-WG gf's since I've been in China, my first one was actually a 9, but once the demands started pouring out of her mouth, it was then I decided to dump her greedy ass.

Stick with the 6-8's and you will have much more success and a happier relationship, which is not based solely on the size of your bank account.

-CPE

SE Asia Joe

12-18-08, 06:26

I can only assume the SE stands for Stupid Embecile, if you don't want to answer a question you don't have to to numb nuts, when I want shit from you I'll squeeze your neck, one more little tantrum like that and I'll ram a baseball bat up your arse and turn you into a popsicle.

Rude
-Its IMBECILE and not embecile - and probably describes you perfectly?
- And errr.... you're gonna be out here teaching English huh? Well, how about you first learning grammar, how to punctuate, how to spell....
- Stompin' your feet huh?! Throwing a Tantrum huh? Goood, good, you're gonna do well in China!!
- And only after freebies to partake of - huh? Just the kind of foreigner we all need in China.
- And what are you/how old are you exactly? Are you 42 Australian (09/09/08), 37 Australian (05/01/07) 35 australian (10/18/06) or 39 and a New Zealander (7/17/06).
- Thus besides being vile you also have difficulty with telling the truth huh?

Whaddy guys think - should I just report this guy to Jackson?

SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48

12-18-08, 07:17

-Its IMBECILE and not embecile. And probably describes you perfectly?

- And errr. You're gonna be out here teaching English huh? Well, how about you first learning grammar, how to punctuate, how to spell.

- Stompin' your feet huh? ! Throwing a Tantrum huh? Goood, good, you're gonna do well in China!

- And only after freebies to partake of. Huh? Just the kind of foreigner we all need in China.

- And what are you/how old are you exactly? Are you 42 Australian (09/09/08), 37 Australian (05/01/07) 35 australian (10/18/06) or 39 and a New Zealander (7/17/06).

- Thus besides being vile you also have difficulty with telling the truth huh?

Whaddy guys think. Should I just report this guy to Jackson?

SEAJSEAJ,

Ya go ahead and report him to Jackson.

Maybe he will get his own forum.

He He

fast eddie 48

SE Asia Joe

12-18-08, 08:07

My thinking: You play with the 9's and 10's, but marry 8's and below.

If a 9 or 10 has any brains and has been called beautiful more than once, then she knows how to manipulate men. The only exception to this is a 9 or 10 with a good job, but then again, this kind of gal will have very high expectations of you and teaching English will not be one of them.

Majority of 9's and 10's, at least in modern cities, expect a lifestyle commensurate to their beauty.
Now, my thinking might be a bit skewed, but money is religion here. It is the determining factor of a man's self worth. Beauties do not want a simple, common life. I am sure if you search (not online) you can probably find 9's and 10's without this mentality, but remember "Birds of a feather, flock together" and if you do find one and bring her into the big city, it won't take her long to figure out the game, once she starts making friends with other beauties.

Stick with the 6-8's and you will have much more success and a happier relationship, which is not based solely on the size of your bank account.

-CPE
Sorry - but I do NOT agree with your analysis here CPE.

A particular gals' beauty or lack of it cannot be used as a measure of how demanding or money hungry she is gonna be.

Basically the great majority of Chinese women - influenced by upbringing, by societal influence, by the rapid build up wealth and concurrent decline of traditional morality and mores - ARE money hungry/grabbing gold-diggers.

Most Chinese guys knows this very well and know how to protect themselves.

I'd think that it's only a matter of your 'western' idea of love, romance and romantic relationship that makes you think a less attractive Chinese girl would be more loyal/less money grubbing. In the West, the more attractive gals are prone to demanding "better situation" than their lesser sisters - but in China, they ALL (or at least most) are in on the game. After all, they all know that they have their youth - and marrying age window - only once. Got nuthin' to do with if they're good looking or not.

Also, please note that there is actually NOT a surfeit of "good Male Candidates" in China - too damn many poor guys there!! And once a gal's latched on to you - (who she must have already deemed to be a good enough catch) she's gonna be less likely than her Western counterpart to dump you - as like I said, its not everyday that she's gonna be able to find another/replacement suitable candidate. They're THAT practical!!

And first my apologies, and dare I say it - but your analysis probably also project a bit of less than adequate bravado. So what if she's a beauty?? So bloody what?? She's just another Chinese female and should be handled as any other Chinese gal. You gotta come into ALL relationships with ALL Chinese women knowing this - how to handle them; That's all!!

And like I said, my apologies as the above is only IMHO

SEAJ

Santa

12-18-08, 09:04

Sorry - but I do NOT agree with your analysis here CPE.

A particular gals' beauty or lack of it cannot be used as a measure of how demanding or money hungry she is gonna be.

Basically the great majority of Chinese women - influenced by upbringing, by societal influence, by the rapid build up wealth and concurrent decline of traditional morality and mores - ARE money hungry/grabbing gold-diggers.

SEAJ

No, no, no Joe. With all due respect my friend, Expat is right!

The really hot girls know they are hot and in big demand. Therefore, the probability that she will be more demanding, and the probability she will dump your sorry arse, is higher.

Benjamin franklin, who knew a thing or two about women, recommended that you marry an older and more plain woman, because she will be more appreciative.

So if it's a wife or a long term companion you are looking for, it's better to look more for a plain Jane. She might also be demanding, disloyal and troublesome, as joe said, but the probablity is lower. It's all a question of PROBABILITIES, and choosing the right girl by being a good judge of character.

That being said, I agree with you Joe. Most Chinese women are more concerned about practicalities and money, and less concerned about romantic love and loyalty. They talk about love and loyalty, but they don't walk the talk, for the reasons you so eloquently gave.

My Opinion.

Hey, Fast Eddie, what do you think?

SE Asia Joe

12-18-08, 09:25

No, no, no Joe. With all due respect my friend, Expat is right! The really hot girls know they are hot and in big demand. Therefore, the probability that she will be more demanding, and the probability she will dump your sorry arse, is higher.

Benjamin franklin, who knew a thing or two about women, recommended that you marry an older and more plain woman, because she will be more appreciative.

So if it's a wife or a long term companion you are looking for, it's better to look more for a plain Jane. She might also be demanding, disloyal and troublesome, but the probablity is lower. It's all a question of PROBABILITIES, and choosing the right girl by being a good judge of character.

That being said, I agree with you Joe. Most Chinese women are more concerned about practicalities and money, and less concerned about romantic love and loyalty. They talk about love and loyalty, but they don't walk the talk, for the reasons you so eloquently gave.

My Opinion.

Hey, Fast Eddie, what do you think?
I'd say that a majority of women - especially Chinese women - has an inborn inferiority complex and never sure/not confident of their own beauty or lack of. If you KNOW how to capitalize on such insecurity (Making her think that she already has the best available? Making her know that you've got tons of other choices? Not taking any crap from her = making her know she pales in comparison?) and handles her with self assured confidence, then I don't care how beautiful or not she is - she's gonna be loyal to you. She'd be too afraid of losing you instead! Has absolutely got nuthin' to do with how good looking or not she is.

You handle an ugly (or pretty one come to think of it!) gal with pleading, declarations of undying love, inferiority complex, dependence etc - and you've bought yourself mucho problemos!

What I am saying is that in discussions of Chinese women loyalty, the level of beauty is of much less consideration than how you handle a Chinese woman. I don't care how beautiful she is - if you've convinced her that you ARE the best that her level of beauty CAN achieve - then she's gonna be loyal.

Don't know if I'm explaining this well or not - but anyway.......

SEAJ

Old Mean Dog

12-18-08, 13:42

Sorry - but I do NOT agree with your analysis here CPE.

SEAJ

Hey Joe, no problem with you disagreeing, no need to apologize. My take on it is from an average white foreigner in China. You on the other hand are from Hong Kong and Asian, so maybe it's a different story for you.

Everyone has an opinion, mine is just one of many.

-CPE

Sfinil

12-18-08, 16:41

Hey, this is a little off topic, but I'm looking to go to shanghai over the new year. I'm going to visit a spa and hopefully get a lady back to my hotel as well. I'm also looking to smoke a little hash. Anyone have any advice how not to get ripped off and how much I should be paying?

I know I'll get some crap from the non-using forum members, but hey, we all have our vice. Some of us like to smoke hash, others like to bang 2 asian chicks at the same time and video tape it. I've said too much. Anyway, if you have any info, please let me know.

Thanks

Santa

12-18-08, 16:47

Making her know that you've got tons of other choices? Not taking any crap from her = making her know she pales in comparison?) and handles her with self assured confidence, then I don't care how beautiful or not she is - she's gonna be loyal to you. She'd be too afraid of losing you instead!

if you've convinced her that you ARE the best that her level of beauty CAN achieve - then she's gonna be loyal.

SEAJ

Well, that's easy for Joe to say. Tall, handsome, wealthy, debonair, confident and sophisticated gentleman from Hong Kong.

But a poor, wretched, pathetic creature like me, how am i to convince a very hot babe that I'm the best she can find? :(

Wapec

12-18-08, 17:58

My take on it is even more different. I figure just fuck 'em and go find another and fuck her and go find another and go over again.

Between 19 and 55 is fair game. Country bumkin or city sassie they all go down the same when it comes to cash for gash whether you're white, asian, banana or reverse banana.

I'm dog ugly (both Santa & SEAJ have confirmed) but I get off with some real stunners in China whether freebie or paybie plus some of the more down to earth types when I need time fillers. The real key is to get out there and play the field like there is no tomorrow. Shot down in flames ? Get up and bat again these gals will respond to love 'em or leave 'em.

Just my two cents - hump & bump
/W

Well, that's easy for Joe to say. Tall, handsome, wealthy, debonair, confident and sophisticated gentleman from Hong Kong.

But a poor, wretched, pathetic creature like me, how am i to convince a very hot babe that I'm the best she can find? :(

Manfest

12-19-08, 01:37

You can get a visa to enter China at one of the visa processing service at the HK Airport. I think if you give it to them before 9AM and pay an express service chg, you will have a visa in hand by 4:30PM the same day. Make sure that your passport size photo is attach and you have not been convicted of a major felony and currently spending a few days in the outside world. If you are clean then there should be no problem.

Yes, for US Citizen. About two years ago, one of my American friend for to get a visa and got one within a day at the HK airport.

Sure, that is correct. I don't think he mentioned in the original post that he was traveling through HK, though. I was describing a general point of requiring a visa to get into China.

An obvious fact for most of us, but his question was at the level of needing or not needing a visa.

Csun213

12-19-08, 04:47

The funny thing about being with a real beauty is that they knock your socks off when you are first with them. Then after you have been with them for a while, their beauty fades (in your eyes) because you get used to it.

The main thing I feel you need to find a girl that is really thinking about spending the rest of her life with you and not just the short term.

I have also found out that girls from well to do family don't really want to leave China. I have a friend who married a Chinese girl and had a hard time getting her to come to the U.S. She finally agreed under the condition that he will be willing to go back with her to China after 3 years in the U.S.

3 years later, he left the U.S., went to China with her and her family set them up with a business. He is Chinese-American, is now living in China and making more money then he thought was possible. He is also very happy now.

Just saying that there are different girls and different stories out there. Each one is different, you will have to find out yourself by getting to know the girls.

SE Asia Joe

12-19-08, 05:13

Well, that's easy for Joe to say. Tall, handsome, wealthy, debonair, confident and sophisticated gentleman from Hong Kong.

But a poor, wretched, pathetic creature like me, how am i to convince a very hot babe that I'm the best she can find? :(
Aww come on Santa - the gals - they all love cuddly you!!
Physical/economical attributes are a given - you are what you are - but confidence, how you act etc can and should be learned.

And you are totally wrong about being handsome etc - I'm an ancient relic from the past - exceptin' that no matter what happens, I never let myself to wallow in despair and to have to succumb to think or cast aspersions about myself. I've got OWL for that!! And R.Rude too!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

12-19-08, 05:45

My take on it is even more different. I figure just fuck 'em and go find another and fuck her and go find another and go over again.

Between 19 and 55 is fair game. Country bumkin or city sassie they all go down the same when it comes to cash for gash whether you're white, asian, banana or reverse banana.

I'm dog ugly (both Santa & SEAJ have confirmed) but I get off with some real stunners in China whether freebie or paybie plus some of the more down to earth types when I need time fillers. The real key is to get out there and play the field like there is no tomorrow. Shot down in flames ? Get up and bat again these gals will respond to love 'em or leave 'em.

Just my two cents - hump & bump
/W
Spoken as the real monger that he truly is!!

Too complicated for my simple mind all this back and forth - and yes, that's all I want to do too: Just do her and her and her and....

SEAJ

Mmlouie

12-19-08, 06:25

No, no, no Joe. With all due respect my friend, Expat is right!

The really hot girls know they are hot and in big demand. Therefore, the probability that she will be more demanding, and the probability she will dump your sorry arse, is higher.

Benjamin franklin, who knew a thing or two about women, recommended that you marry an older and more plain woman, because she will be more appreciative.

So if it's a wife or a long term companion you are looking for, it's better to look more for a plain Jane. She might also be demanding, disloyal and troublesome, as joe said, but the probablity is lower. It's all a question of PROBABILITIES, and choosing the right girl by being a good judge of character.

That being said, I agree with you Joe. Most Chinese women are more concerned about practicalities and money, and less concerned about romantic love and loyalty. They talk about love and loyalty, but they don't walk the talk, for the reasons you so eloquently gave.

My Opinion.

Hey, Fast Eddie, what do you think?No guys, SEAJ is right. From one asian to another, self-confident is the key to Chinese women. China is a world of deceit, under all those makeup, hair and clothing is just another ordinary girl. Just check them out early in the morning without their make up, ouch!

Next time you around a hot girl, just look at them as there is something wrong with them. Raise your eye bow and with that puzzle look and see how they react. I used to date this hottie, she turn heads when she walks down the street. I often tell her when I see hot chick when I am with her. That used to get her so hot and she will screw me like there is no tomorrow. She will even ask me why and how she is compare to the girl while we are doing it, that even gets her hotter. Go figure!

At the same time, going around with drools coming out of your mouth when you see one does not help. Letting them know she is hot is a no, no. Let her know she is beautiful is also a no, no. She have plenty of admirers already, she really need one that tell her that she is not. Call it reverse psychology or what, but it works.

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The Tanuki

12-19-08, 07:04

Spoken as the real monger that he truly is!!

Too complicated for my simple mind all this back and forth - and yes, that's all I want to do too: Just do her and her and her and....

SEAJ
Just a point of curiosity here. Do you guys have jobs or are you just independently wealthy? I am amazed at how much fucking is going on here! How do you get the time to do all that?

Sign me as a bit jealous, or give me a job there with you! :p

Tankuki

Old Mean Dog

12-19-08, 08:37

Just a point of curiosity here. Do you guys have jobs or are you just independently wealthy? I am amazed at how much fucking is going on here! How do you get the time to do all that?

Sign me as a bit jealous, or give me a job there with you! :p

Tankuki

I stopped working, never enjoyed it. I'm dirt farmer poor, but pussy and life in China are really cheap. On the other hand, SEAJ is a friggin' millionaire, if you ever get a chance try hooking up with that BSD.

You can always be an English teacher, but forget about the 9's and 10's ;)

-CPE

SE Asia Joe

12-19-08, 08:39

I stopped working, never enjoyed it. I'm dirt farmer poor, but pussy and life in China are really cheap. On the other hand, SEAJ is a friggin' millionaire, if you ever get a chance try hooking up with that BSD.

You can always be an English teacher, but forget about the 9's and 10's ;)

-CPE
yeah right - an Indonesian Rupiah Millionaire - worth a hundred Bucks give and take!! No - I wish I was a friggin millionaire

SEAJ

Santa

12-19-08, 11:24

SE Asia Joe. We all know you are number one with the gals.

Seriously, have you considered Hollywood? :D

Its A Secret

12-19-08, 13:44

Thanx for the insight, reading everyone's perspectives as much as I can before I actually arrive.

The Tanuki

12-20-08, 01:35

I stopped working, never enjoyed it. I'm dirt farmer poor, but pussy and life in China are really cheap. On the other hand, SEAJ is a friggin' millionaire, if you ever get a chance try hooking up with that BSD.

You can always be an English teacher, but forget about the 9's and 10's ;)

-CPE

LOL! Teach English?? Ackkk Pfffttt! I'd rather work...

Tankuki

Santa

12-20-08, 08:53

The New York Times reported today that access to it's website www.nytimes.com was blocked in China on friday night and saturday.

Eyebrow777

12-20-08, 16:04

At the same time, going around with drools coming out of your mouth when you see one does not help. Letting them know she is hot is a no, no. Let her know she is beautiful is also a no, no. She have plenty of admirers already, she really need one that tell her that she is not. Call it reverse psychology or what, but it works.What Mmlouie is saying sounds counter intuitive, but it's absolutely true. If you fawn over a hot chick (nationality doesn't matter), you've reduced yourself to just another wanker fan not worth her time.

It's all about raising her self esteem. And following in the path of 1000 other wankers by commenting on her locks just won't do it. You either need to put her down (unmistakably but gracefully and with 100% confidence) or get into her head enough to find a genuine and unique compliment that appeals to her vanity. Unique is key. If she's heard it before, your compliment will not be effective and your just another wanker.

E

Lao Ma

12-20-08, 16:32

Geeze dude. How much should I pay for the illegal drugs, that if caught with, I will go to jail, get deported, and banned from future China visa's ??? I'd have to guess Jackson can do without the added stigma and attention of posts like that. Not making a value judgement, just saying use some common sense and post shit like that in some expat chat room that's full of 25 year old english teachers. Your comparison between mongering, which is tolerated in Chinese society, and hashish smoking, which is not, is specious at best.

Mmlouie

12-21-08, 05:55

You either need to put her down (unmistakably but gracefully and with 100% confidence) or get into her head enough to find a genuine and unique compliment that appeals to her vanity. Unique is key. If she's heard it before, your compliment will not be effective and your just another wanker.

EVanity-the deadliest sin of them all. All you have to do is to get them start wondering about themselves. But with class. What do they say? Treat woman like a ***** and a ***** like a woman? Or something like that.

Fuzimiao

12-22-08, 09:37

Guys,

Any tips on obtaining a Chinese driving licence, I hear many different versions of the requirements, I am in Shanghai

fz

Red Rock II

12-22-08, 10:06

Two years ago, I got my chinese driver licence in Beijing by

1. showing local DMV a proof that my job in China requires drive a viecle;
2. showing my US diver licence (must be at least one year since it was issued);
3. passing traffic law test.

You will need to go to local DMV to get application and fill it out, then

1. summit the application with a couple of copies of recent photo.
2. summit copies of your passport and chinese visa (sometimes a copy of your registration card is also needed)
3. summit a proof that you have done and passed physical exam (you can get the proof in a nearby place. The officer in the DMV will tell you where the place is. Exam will cost you 10 RMB two years ago which includes two items: measuring blood presure and sight testing)
4. make an appointment for traffic law test.

OldAsiaHand

12-22-08, 10:32

I got my first license through a service company in Guangzhou. You also need a valid foreign license, but they process everything for you including transportation to the DMV and give you the answers to the exam. The charge around 1,700 RMB for the package. I don't know if they have a similar service in Shanghai.

I renewed it myself at the DMV last year for 20 RMB plus postage for delivery after processing.

OAH

Two years ago, I got my chinese driver licence in Beijing by

1. showing local DMV a proof that my job in China requires drive a viecle;
2. showing my US diver licence (must be at least one year since it was issued);
3. passing traffic law test.

You will need to go to local DMV to get application and fill it out, then

1. summit the application with a couple of copies of recent photo.
2. summit copies of your passport and chinese visa (sometimes a copy of your registration card is also needed)
3. summit a proof that you have done and passed physical exam (you can get the proof in a nearby place. The officer in the DMV will tell you where the place is. Exam will cost you 10 RMB two years ago which includes two items: measuring blood presure and sight testing)
4. make an appointment for traffic law test.

Tiger 888

12-22-08, 12:17

Guys,

Any tips on obtaining a Chinese driving licence, I hear many different versions of the requirements, I am in Shanghai

fzIf you have a residence permit and a foreign license, it costs only a few hundred RMB to pass the test. Obviously other options paying more money are there too.
I did the test in shanghai in 2003. I passed the test about an hour after they gave me the instruction booklet to learn. Couldn't renew the license this year since I no longer live in the PRC.
Best would be to have a Chinese call the authorities in charge to find out today's requirements.

Dar425

12-22-08, 14:40

I was recently in Hong Kong and applying for my newest China visa stamp.

I went to the Chinese Consulate office in WanChai (near to ChaiWan Station) to do it myself. In USA, if I apply for a visa via the China Consulate in USA, it is $130 USD (about 1000 HKD), and single/double/multiple is all the same price of $130 USD. I usually do not know my travel in advance, so I usually apply for my visa once I arrive in Hong Kong.

Turn-around time was 24 hours. I submitted my visa by 9am, and I picked it up the next day at 9am. I paid an 'expedite' fee for this quicker turn-around, of about 280 HKD.

Previously, I was able to get SAME-Day turnaround (apply by 9am, get it back later that day by about 4pm), but SAME-Day is still no longer available. (Actually, it is available, but only available to dipolomats, and for people who have urgent/medical reason).

Total cost was 1280 HKD (about 1000 for visa, and 280 expedite). In my case I was given a 6month multiple entry, but I think most people get single/double entry (before I turned in my application I asked the lady at the window if I could try for multiple; she looked at my visa-history in my passport and said, "I think you can try to get multiple, yes...").

To compare -- later that day I went to the CTS office near Nathan Rd and Peking Rd and asked them the cost for them to get me next-day China visa, and they said it would be about 1800 HKD. So, I saved about 600 HKD ($85 USD) by standing in line at the consulate office myself.

As a side note, I met a Malaysian man in ZhuHai/Guangdong who said he can issue letter of business justification that you can then present to the China Consulate office if you want to apply for a 2-year multiple work visa. I passed this info onto 1 friend and will see if this guy's offer is good or not. If good, then I might share his contact information for those of you seeking a 2year multiple entry visa.

Dar

Loveasiangirls

12-23-08, 00:48

It seems to be closer for American residents. I got mine there for HK$400 for next day delivery.
By the way, all the info is here:http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/syjy/

I was recently in Hong Kong and applying for my newest China visa stamp.

I went to the Chinese Consulate office in WanChai (near to ChaiWan Station) to do it myself. In USA, if I apply for a visa via the China Consulate in USA, it is $130 USD (about 1000 HKD), and single/double/multiple is all the same price of $130 USD. I usually do not know my travel in advance, so I usually apply for my visa once I arrive in Hong Kong.

Turn-around time was 24 hours. I submitted my visa by 9am, and I picked it up the next day at 9am. I paid an 'expedite' fee for this quicker turn-around, of about 280 HKD.

Previously, I was able to get SAME-Day turnaround (apply by 9am, get it back later that day by about 4pm), but SAME-Day is still no longer available. (Actually, it is available, but only available to dipolomats, and for people who have urgent/medical reason).

Total cost was 1280 HKD (about 1000 for visa, and 280 expedite). In my case I was given a 6month multiple entry, but I think most people get single/double entry (before I turned in my application I asked the lady at the window if I could try for multiple; she looked at my visa-history in my passport and said, "I think you can try to get multiple, yes...").

To compare -- later that day I went to the CTS office near Nathan Rd and Peking Rd and asked them the cost for them to get me next-day China visa, and they said it would be about 1800 HKD. So, I saved about 600 HKD ($85 USD) by standing in line at the consulate office myself.

As a side note, I met a Malaysian man in ZhuHai/Guangdong who said he can issue letter of business justification that you can then present to the China Consulate office if you want to apply for a 2-year multiple work visa. I passed this info onto 1 friend and will see if this guy's offer is good or not. If good, then I might share his contact information for those of you seeking a 2year multiple entry visa.

Dar

OldAsiaHand

12-24-08, 13:23

As a side note, I met a Malaysian man in ZhuHai/Guangdong who said he can issue letter of business justification that you can then present to the China Consulate office if you want to apply for a 2-year multiple work visa. I passed this info onto 1 friend and will see if this guy's offer is good or not. If good, then I might share his contact information for those of you seeking a 2year multiple entry visa.

According to my understanding and experience, a working visa takes more than a letter. You need to be really employed by a company that has the right to employ foreigners, you need a work permit, you need to pay taxes and you need a medical check, photos registered with PSB, a permanent place of residence, etc. These visas, not actually called visas any more, but "Resident Permit for Foreigners in the Peoples Republic of China" are issued inside China and not available in Hong Kong.

Just my POV. YMMV.

OAH

Rab

12-24-08, 17:00

Well I finally made it back to Shanghai but unfortunately I only had one free night so nothing really to report except that, there is a rather famous bar on Nan Jing Xi Lu that is upstairs (not sure it's a good idea to use names tell me if I am wrong) outside a famous hotel and I was there the night I arrived. When leaving at 1AM when I had a 5:30AM wake up, more than a little drunk I was approached by Jessica asking for my room number, now normally that would be all it would take for me to accept an offer from a beautiful girl but being drunk I hate spending the money when I can't fully appreciate the whole experience so I took a pass, but she dropped her top "just to show me what I am missing" and believe me they were very nice. Still can't believe I walked away but it was the right choice because even with what amounted to about 3.5 hours sleep the drive to Jinghua the next day was rough at best.

Does anyone else know Jessica and what her normal rates are?

I was also suprised when on the way to the hotel from the airport the first night the hotel driver took a different route than normal thru a more residential/store front area and I saw two BBS very close together with a lot of girls in lingerie looking bored. I tried to ask the driver where we were but his English was maybe worse than wo de zhong wen, so I didn't get even cross streets. But I believe it was in a high road construction area near the E-Way....OK i know where isn't there road construction around there? Anyway the two shops were all glass fronts and maybe 1/2-1 block apart and clearly were not there for haircuts.
Anyone have any ideas of the location??? Sound familiar at all??? It was maybe 15 minutes or so away from Nan Jing Xi Lu, coming from PVG.

Good news is in a few weeks I will be back in China and hope I can take advantage of some free time and find some good stuff and share some real info.

Happy mongering...
RAB

Pushkin13

12-25-08, 03:46

Readers of ISG in China (or researching China) might like to have a look at www.camfrog.com

From time to time, the women (girls?) on webcams on this site expose themselves and/or masturbate.

There are also couples (male/female) copulating, or enjoying each other’s bodies in various ways.

Entry level is watching at no cost, as long as the camfrog system detects your webcam connection.

There is an upgrade facility (at cost) which allows a larger viewing webcam screen, and multiple screens.

There is also provision (at cost) to Instant Message (IM) others who are online.

question 1: is the upgrade for a larger viewing screen and multiple screens worth the investment?

question 2: has anyone used the IM facility to establish contact, leading to a meet?
[[I guess, the odds of this are small. China is a f**king huge place and there are probably only 1000 (at most) Chinese women on line at any one time, and there are 650 million Chinese women. However, my guess is that these 1,000 are self-selecting as amongst the hottest/most curious/potentially the most beddable in China.]]

If there is any positive feedback to q.2, does this mean that www.camfrog.com might be able to be added to the list of potential internet contact points, in addition to CFF, DateInAsia, PlentyofFish, etc.

If anyone has any thoughts, or answers to these questions, I would be appreciative.

P13

Docwiltro

12-26-08, 01:06

I am planning an extensive tour of mainland China and would like to know in the opinions of most what are the top 5 cities in China for mongering.

Tiger 888

12-26-08, 04:40

It seems to be closer for American residents. I got mine there for HK$400 for next day delivery.
By the way, all the info is here:http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/syjy/It has nothing to do with where you reside, but what country's citizien you are. 6 months multiple is 400 HK$ for standard countries. For US citiziens it is 1020 HK$.

But I believe multiple is only available for HKID card holders.

CITS always charge a hefty fee on top of that. If you are not a US citizien and don't want to queue, Japan travel in TST east is much cheaper.

Loveasiangirls

12-26-08, 04:45

It has nothing to do with where you reside, but what country's citizien you are. 6 months multiple is 400 HK$ for standard countries. For US citiziens it is 1020 HK$.
CITS always charge a hefty fee on top of that. If you are not a US citizien and don't want to queue, Japan travel in TST east is much cheaper.

Obviously I meant citizenship not residence.

Tiger 888

12-26-08, 04:46

I am planning an extensive tour of mainland China and would like to know in the opinions of most what are the top 5 cities in China for mongering.
Do a bit of reading and you will find out.
819919

Fast Eddie 48

12-26-08, 07:02

I am planning an extensive tour of mainland China and would like to know in the opinions of most what are the top 5 cities in China for mongering.DOC,

My top 5 in that order
Shenzhen
Dongguan included Changping and other city
Zhuhai
Shanghai
Changsha

Fast eddie 48

Fuzimiao

12-28-08, 02:19

Tiger 888

12-28-08, 02:48

Thanks, I contacted our company service agent, done in a morning, total cost 1215 rmb, included registration at DMV, photo taking at DMV, medical check including colour blindness test, onto police station Hongqiao, theory test, given brochure with 100 sample questions and answers, computer exam, 100 questions, required 90 correct. Exam available online at chinacartimes.com and others.

fz
The funny thing is (At least it was the case when I passed the test) that you could change answers back and forth that you weren't sure about. As soon as the required percentage was reached, the computer fired a bingo.

Fast Eddie 48

12-28-08, 03:21

Thanks, I contacted our company service agent, done in a morning, total cost 1215 rmb, included registration at DMV, photo taking at DMV, medical check including colour blindness test, onto police station Hongqiao, theory test, given brochure with 100 sample questions and answers, computer exam, 100 questions, required 90 correct. Exam available online at chinacartimes.com and others.

fzFuzimiiao,

I have drove in china a few time at Shanghai and Hong kong ,I got an international license at auto club in US cost $10 usd a yr ,all you need is a US driver license and fill out an form issue the same day .

Fast eddie 48

Tiger 888

12-28-08, 10:47

Fuzimiiao,

I have drove in china a few time at Shanghai and Hong kong ,I got an international license at auto club in US cost $10 usd a yr ,all you need is a US driver license and fill out an form issue the same day .

Fast eddie 48As far as I know there is no international license that China recognizes.
I don't know if driving without a license has a lot of consequences.
One day I was literally forced to drive a 20t truck without a license for a whole night, because the driver I sat next to was keeping falling asleep until i forced him to let me take over (I didn't even have my regular car license for China at that time). Better arrested than dead I thought. Nothing happened though.

Mmlouie

12-28-08, 22:15

As far as I know there is no international license that China recognizes.

I don't know if driving without a license has a lot of consequences.

One day I was literally forced to drive a 20t truck without a license for a whole night, because the driver I sat next to was keeping falling asleep until i forced him to let me take over (I didn't even have my regular car license for China at that time). Better arrested than dead I thought. Nothing happened though.You are correct! China does not recognize any international driver license, Hong Kong does however. Consequences of not having a driver license in China is closer to zero. Of all my friends in China that drives, none of them have a legitimate license and all of them have no intention of getting one. Police are considered a joke in China and beside, you could buy yourself out of any situation.

Loveasiangirls

12-28-08, 22:26

Fast Eddie 48

12-29-08, 04:31

As far as I know there is no international license that China recognizes.

I don't know if driving without a license has a lot of consequences.

One day I was literally forced to drive a 20t truck without a license for a whole night, because the driver I sat next to was keeping falling asleep until i forced him to let me take over (I didn't even have my regular car license for China at that time). Better arrested than dead I thought. Nothing happened though.Tiger,

I drove my friend car and he was next to me ,we drove from Hk to Shenzhen then to Guangzhou ,he got a Hk driver license not sure if he have one for china also .

I don't like driving in China anywhere taxi is so cheap here and I got my CA license since I was 15 in the US.

Fast eddie 48

SE Asia Joe

12-29-08, 08:07

FYI - the following is the new Intercity Hong Kong-ChangPing-GZ direct train schedules. Note especially that the LAST rain from CP to Hong Kong is now only at 20:58. I've been on that 22:10 last train on the previous schedule soooo many times...SIGH!!!

http://www.it3.mtr.com.hk/B2C/UserPage/sysTimeTable_Eng.asp

Guangzhou-Kowloon Through Train

Hung Hom --> Dongguan (Changping)/Guangzhou East (Northbound)

Train No. Time Schedule
Depart Hung Hom - Arrive Dongguan (Changping) - Arrive Guangzhou East
T812 07:25 08:36 09:20
T824 (Ktt) 08:18 09:26 10:09
T820 09:24 10:35 11:19
T804 10:42 11:53 12:37
T808 11:28 -- 13:23
T814 12:14 -- 14:09
T826 (Ktt) 13:10 14:18 15:01
T818 14:47 15:58 16:42
T810 16:35 17:46 18:29
T828 (Ktt) 17:50 18:58 19:41
T816 18:35 19:46 20:30
T802 19:24 20:35 21:19

Guangzhou East/Dongguan(Changping) -->Hung Hom (Southbound)

Train No. Time Schedule
Depart Guangzhou East - Depart Dongguan (Changping) - Arrive Hung Hom
T801 08:19 09:03 10:12
T807 09:03 09:47 10:56
T813 09:50 10:34 11:43
T823 (Ktt) 10:39 11:23 12:29
T817 12:12 -- 14:07
T809 13:52 14:37 15:46
T825 (Ktt) 15:31 16:14 17:21
T815 16:12 16:56 18:05
T803 16:56 17:40 18:49
T819 18:15 18:59 20:08
T827 (Ktt) 20:15 20:58 22:05
T811 21:32 -- 23:25

Pushkin13

12-29-08, 10:46

Some things my little friend (age about 25) from Changzhou has taught me.

She is a prostitute, and ...

1. That she works with a core group of about 5 girls (though I think that the numbers change a little).

2. That if she is f**ked on site (at her shop) she gets 500 kuai. The shop (administration) gets 100 so she nets 400.
[Comment: seems a little high to me. Perhaps some of the short time girls in major cities will accept 200 or 300 for ST (short time = 1 male climax)].
[Perhaps she is in a different part of the market, more “high end”. Don’t know.]

3. That if she is f**ked ST in a hotel she asks for 800 kuai ST but will accept 600. Overnight she asks for 1,000 but will accept 800.

4. ST in a hotel is usually no more than about 30 mins from time in the door, to time out the door. This includes a shower before and after the business. She seems to encourage a quick approach.
[Seems a little rushed to me. 40 minutes minimum would seem more reasonable from the male consumer point of view.]

5. Overnight she does not encourage or allow more than 2 pops. Rarely, if ever, 3 from a man.

6. She does not allow lip to lip kissing, or oral sex, from Chinese men.

7. In the time she has been in the business (about 18 months) she has not had a boyfriend. None of the other core group of girls has a b/f or a husband.

8. She worked for a time in a KTV as a hostess and was f**ked about twice a week, usually after the show, for about 500/600 kuai. Perhaps she started work in her brothel because she was not in high demand at the KTV and could not earn enough for rent, daily living, clothes etc.

9. She would rather be f**ked by someone she knows (a man who has previously f**ked her) than a new man.

10. Most months she earns about 4,000 kuai, but if busy, that can be as high as 6,000 or even 7,000. This means that she is f**ked about 10 times each month, or about every second night for her three working weeks each month.

11. About once every 2 or 3 months a man will go to a hotel with 2 of the girls, she being one of them, and he will f**k them both in a short time. 500 per girl. She likes to watch one of her work mates being f**ked.

12. I am her first lao wai. She had a good report from one of her work mates, and that was when she decided to come back to the restaurant at the hotel with her (when I visited Changzhou several months ago), to see if she could have her first lao wai experience.

13. She thinks that Chinese men have xiao “xiao didis” (small penises). She likes my xiao didi. She says it is “very da”.

14. Only rarely does she have an orgasm (gao chao = high tide) while working, and then usually it is only a little (xiao) high tide.

15. From time to time she is f**ked twice in a night by 2 different men. She doesn’t like the idea of, and nor has she experienced, 3 men in a night.

16. She doesn’t like the idea (and has never experienced) two men at the one time.

17. She doesn’t like the idea (and has never experienced) any lesbian contact with or from another woman.

18. She likes watching pornography on the TV or on a movie.

19. She only ever f**ks at her shop or in a hotel, never her private apartment or in a man’s house.

20. The girls never talk among themselves about being f**ked or the men that they have been with. They usually just talk about how much they like money, and the things that they have bought, are buying or would like to buy.

21. They are all in the business for the money, but she told me that often she gets medium “zhong” pleasure from being f**ked, but that she likes money “da”. She often enjoys the penetration feeling (though not every time).

22. She coloured up (blushed) when I asked her did she ever masturbate. (My feeling is that she does from time to time.)

23. My feeling is that she is bored, as she often spends hours and hours watching TV either at home or at her shop.

24. She is seriously thinking of stopping working in the business. It occurs to her that she would like a boyfriend, and to get married and have a baby.

25. That the police never cause her, her shop, or the other girls any trouble.

26. She has never worked “on the street”.

27. Yes, I thinks she loves me. I am not sure of the mixture of (i) my wallet, (ii) free English lessons, (iii) my very da “xiao didi”, or (iv) the fact that she feels comfortable and relaxed with me and can share all (actually, perhaps not all) her secrets with me. Definitely she finds conversation (and attempted conversation) with me interesting and challenging, and more interesting than watching TV all night with an uncertain financial reward. I have managed to negotiate a reduced “wholesale rate” of 600 kuai each night, and unlimited pops, usually 3 but sometimes only 2 (depending on tiredness, early start in the morning etc.). And her cooking is good. As are her general domestic skills. I think she enjoys practicing being my “lao po” (wife) for a few days at a time.

Just my recent experience.
P13

Eaglestar

12-29-08, 11:38

Interesting post. It will be more interesting to see what other P4P monger's comments are. If they have the same experiences.

ES

OldAsiaHand

12-29-08, 11:43

2. That if she is f**ked on site (at her shop) she gets 500 kuai. The shop (administration) gets 100 so she nets 400.
[Comment: seems a little high to me. Perhaps some of the short time girls in major cities will accept 200 or 300 for ST (short time = 1 male climax)].
[Perhaps she is in a different part of the market, more “high end”. Don’t know.]

Pushkin13,

Thanks for the great report. I am curious what kind of shop she works in. Is it a BBS? Is it in the hotel?

OAH

OldAsiaHand

12-30-08, 02:45

With the exception of Turbohide which has not been working for me lately, all the other proxies recommended will not allow me to delete PMs. My mailbox is full. Any suggestions? Thanks.

OAH

Tiger 888

12-30-08, 03:31

Tiger,

I drove my friend car and he was next to me ,we drove from Hk to Shenzhen then to Guangzhou ,he got a Hk driver license not sure if he have one for china also .

I don't like driving in China anywhere taxi is so cheap here and I got my CA license since I was 15 in the US.

Fast eddie 48Everyone can decide by himself. But I had to mention this because your post could make people believe that the international license was valid for China and could run him into trouble.

SE Asia Joe

12-30-08, 04:52

With the exception of Turbohide which has not been working for me lately, all the other proxies recommended will not allow me to delete PMs. My mailbox is full. Any suggestions? Thanks.

OAH
Go to Google, type in Proxy Server list or Free proxy servers - and it should come up with a very long list of available proxy servers. Try them until you come to one which will allow you unfettered access.

BTW - these proxy servers are NOT consistent - one time works, another time not working - and I believe its affected by the various agencies who tries to neutralize them from time to time.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

12-30-08, 04:53

Everyone can decide by himself. But I had to mention this because your post could make people believe that the international license was valid for China and could run him into trouble.
International driving licenses are NOT recognized in China - period. In fact, from Hong Kong, when you apply for International driving licenses, there are 2 types - each one with a list of different countries where a particular one is valid. China is not in either list!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

12-30-08, 05:14

Some things my little friend (age about 25) from Changzhou has taught me.

She is a prostitute, and ...

P13
Is Changzhou that little town in Jiangsu, near Shanghai etc?

Anyway - the prices you quoted seems awfully high! OK - if you compare it to shanghai, perhaps its acceptable - but if its NOT Shanghai, its NOT acceptable, methinks! Especially since I figure she's basically from a BBS type operation.

Also, I notice that you're probably reading into this situation way way too much details. The question that you should instead be asking is "Fish or cut bait?" Meaning to say - making it way simpler a decision than all this analysis. After all, like you said, she IS a prostitute - and thus - what's the big deal??!!

I think she's really messing with your mind - and really giving you all sorts of nonsense info and "restrictions" as far as price, pops, action etc. Look-it, I don't know how much experience you've had w/Chinese courtesans - but these gals really do know what they are doing - and they really know how to manipulate the hapless punter - whether newbies or even oldbies!! And they will keep on manipulating more and more - as they really know how to do it!! Trust me on this.

Keep in mind that a WG is..... a WG and thus should only be thought of first and foremost as a WG. Nothing wrong with treating them as a regular human being and in fact, I would encourage you to do so - but to let them and mess with your noggins - well.... that ain't really smart.

Just my very very humble opinion - but that's what you're asking for ain't it?? Not wanting to cause offense at all - just want you to be very very carweful!!

SEAJ

Phil1980

12-30-08, 14:01

I think she's really messing with your mind - and really giving you all sorts of nonsense info and "restrictions" as far as price, pops, action etc. Look-it, I don't know how much experience you've had w/Chinese courtesans - but these gals really do know what they are doing - and they really know how to manipulate the hapless punter - whether newbies or even oldbies!! And they will keep on manipulating more and more - as they really know how to do it!! Trust me on this.

Yeah, especially the end of his post shows that, where he writes "Yes, I thinks she loves me."

Suuuure thing.

Since he has paid her to be with him LT on several occasions (something I wouldn't do anyway, unless she was a 9/10 or higher), of course she "loves" him, he's probably her best-paying customer.

Check how much she still loves you when you don't pay her, a quick and simple test.

And the prices he quotes, like 500 up for ST in a BBS in some shitty little town are ridiculous, this is the "dumb long-nose foreigner devil" price, 100-200 should be more like what the local men pay her.

Sammon

12-30-08, 14:25

Mmlouie

12-30-08, 19:30

International driver License is not valid in China. Even Hong Kong driver license is not valid in China. They have to get a China driver license separately.
At the border they do not check for driver licenses. But frquent roadblocks are common in china where they check for everything. So be carefull. Never drive in China without proper documents.Dude, road blocks are a joke in China. As I have said before, none of my friends in China have license and they all drive. Even for the women. I went through one of those road blocks, my friend just slip him some money and we are well on our way. This is China! Now with that said, I am not suggesting any foreigner should handle situation in the same manner. You got to be a local and know exactly what to do and how to do it in order for you to get away with it.

Wadman

12-31-08, 07:27

dude, road blocks are a joke in china. as i have said before, none of my friends in china have license and they all drive. even for the women. i went through one of those road blocks, my friend just slip him some money and we are well on our way.

well, maybe, but often roadblocks in downtown shenzhen and immediate suburbs are accompanied by cops with uzi's now.

the smaller towns usually don't have that kind of resources and firepower. there, the guards are armed with 1-meter long batons. they usually target the older, small, local brand cars as they often drive without insurance, or any papers at all! these guys usually run the roadblocks. it's hilarious! there will be 3-4 guards pounding on the mianbaoche (bread minivan) while it speeds away. think john cleese whipping his mini with a twig in fawlty towers.

SE Asia Joe

12-31-08, 08:13

. This is China! Now with that said, I am not suggesting any foreigner should handle situation in the same manner. You got to be a local and know exactly what to do and how to do it in order for you to get away with it.
On the subject of corrupt practices - this is definitely something that foreigners should stay away from. I've heard of and seen with my own eyes foreigners getting into some really deep shit trying to do this. Foreigners hears about all the corruption going on in China and think its no big deal to try to get out of sticky situation by trying to offer a bribe etc - and instead get themselves into much much deeper shit.

For one, Chinese people are usually very deeply sustpicious of foreigners and don't know what happens if they do accept graft etc - and thus would rather just forego one fish amongst many that regularly comes their way; more omnimous though is the fact that Chinese authorities love to make a spectacle of big and/or high profile cases - and catching a foreigner briber certainly comes under this category.

Also, there is the perverse sense of Chinese pride and Nationalism - that its business as usual amongst chinese - but when a foreigner tries to offer bribes, its an affront to them and even the Chinese race/government as a whole.

So what's all this got to do with mongering - just that if you're ever in trouble for mongering in China - do NOT try to bribe your way out UNLESS you are very sure that such bribe is gonna work and not backfire on you.

SEAJ

Santa

12-31-08, 08:57

So, how would you say in Putonghua and Guangdonghua, "I'm very very sorry, i did not know. Can i pay the fine now?"

Or, "I must pay a fine, is it possible to pay the fine now?"

Or, please forgive me, i am very sorry, i did not intend to break the law. How do i pay the fine? Can i pay it now?"

Etcetera.......

How would you be very apologetic and polite without sounding like you are offering a bribe?

SE Asia Joe

12-31-08, 09:15

So, how would you say in Putonghua and Guangdonghua, "I'm very very sorry, i did not know, can i pay the fine now?" Or, "I must pay a fine, is it possible to pay the fine now?"

Without sounding like you are offering a bribe.
Without sounding like you are oferring a bribe???!! hahahah!!

I was lining up at Luohu buying a ticket to CP when I threw a cigarette butt on the floor. This guy is uniform showed up and aksed me to follow him - which of course I didn't and challenged him with WTF???!! He says I was littering and thus must be fined - and I asked him how much - and he said RMB200 - and even produced a docket with RMB200 receipts on it.

I asked him what happens if I don't pay - and he told me that I will be forced to do clean up for a day or whatever. Then I asked him if there is a discount for paying the fine right now - and he told me RMB100. And then I asked him if it can be cheaper.

And then I went ahead and bought my ticket to CP and proceeded to the gate - with him following me!! And then I of course just went inisde the gate and.... left him outside - and thanked him and just casually walked towards the train.

End of story

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

12-31-08, 09:32

Another story - and again at Luohu - a few yars back. (Why do I hate Luohu??!!! And why do I keep on smoking??!!))

I was in Luohu with a bunch of friends and family - when they decided to all go to a massage. I didn't want to go as Veggie massages has no attractions for me - especially when there are family around!

They all gave their passports/travel documents to me (must have been a dozen) which I stuck in my belly pack (Hey! belly packs was still fashionable a few years back - so don't give me no grief - OK?). Sauntered around and poked my head in here and there whilst smoking - and somehow ended up inside the domestic long distance train station; which was when I got accosted by .... a guy in uniform.... babbling and yelping away... in Putonghua! And I instantly indicated that I don't speak a word of "that" in English!

He kept on yelping and making motions indicating smoking, no smoking, pay fine.... and again... producing a docket of receipts with RMB50 on it....and I kept on gesturing me no savvy!! "Passport, passport" he was practically screaming and I then produced my bundle of passports - but firmly refused to hand over one single one to him. Then he said "fitty dogs, fitty dogs" and I started barking -"Dogs?? Fitty Dogs???!! Wooof wooof???" all the while walking out of the train station. Once outside I just said "bye bye' and walked clamly away!!

He just cursed and "tamata" and actually stomped his feet! And I just kept walking away!

Upon reflection (with a smile on my face), perhaps I shouldn't take chances like this - but hell Luohu is filled with all sorts of con men, swindlers etc that if those guys really were 'official" I could always say that 1. I didn't really understand 2. Thought they were conmen/swindlers. 3. What the hell.....

SEAJ

BionicMan

12-31-08, 17:36

Dude, road blocks are a joke in China. As I have said before, none of my friends in China have license and they all drive. Even for the women. I went through one of those road blocks, my friend just slip him some money and we are well on our way. This is China! Now with that said, I am not suggesting any foreigner should handle situation in the same manner. You got to be a local and know exactly what to do and how to do it in order for you to get away with it.

..and what about then getting a chines driving licence instead of keeping in paying bribes?

Mmlouie

12-31-08, 20:15

. And what about then getting a chines driving licence instead of keeping in paying bribes? Well, you need to go through trying to get a China driver license process first before you could comment on that. What I am saying at a nut shell is that in China. Is who you know and how high that person is up in the food chain. No one just pay off up front, there are ways to do it within the unwritten guidelines. You just don't slip a 100 here and 100 there out in the open, it is against the law to take bribe and people go to jail for that. Being that said; everything is dealt with a secrecy, "drink tea" money is what some people call it. I was once in a government office on Friday around 4 pm, they refuse to start my paperwork process before it is almost off work time. I handed the person some american "ginseng" and ask if he would like to try some. Guess what, I was out in that office with my paperwork done in 15 minutes. Sometimes, it does not even take money to get out of a situation. It takes who you know! As I posted before, I am not telling anyone to grease himself out of any situation, especially foreigners. Me myself would not even attempt to do with without my friends around. All I am pointing out is that of all my friends in China, they all drive without a license and they don't even blink or have a second thoughts about getting one.

My friend is a buddy to a high ranking officer in the military and I am telling you, you do not mess around with the military. Those been around in China knows and they have seen it. Vehicle with military insignia could drive in the wrong size of the freeway and no one would and could say anything. Ask any local and they will tell you. With his influences, he got his prime real estate rental at 1/3 of the cost. Even China police with uzis don't even dare say one word to the military officer. They do not pay for anything, they stay in five stars hotel for free, they eat in the finest restaurant for free. Anywhere they go and anything they do. No one can touch them. I have stories that makes so called road block with uzis looks like child's play.

AsnDragon

01-02-09, 00:01

Without sounding like you are oferring a bribe? ! Hahahah!

I was lining up at Luohu buying a ticket to CP when I threw a cigarette butt on the floor. This guy is uniform showed up and aksed me to follow him. Which of course I didn't and challenged him with WTF? ! He says I was littering and thus must be fined. And I asked him how much. And he said RMB200. And even produced a docket with RMB200 receipts on it.

I asked him what happens if I don't pay. And he told me that I will be forced to do clean up for a day or whatever. Then I asked him if there is a discount for paying the fine right now. And he told me RMB100. And then I asked him if it can be cheaper.

And then I went ahead and bought my ticket to CP and proceeded to the gate. With him following me! And then I of course just went inisde the gate and. Left him outside. And thanked him and just casually walked towards the train.

End of story

SEAJThere tons of these conmen in uniforms these days. It's hard to tell them apart form the real guys. Reason being is. There's shops in CP that I know of that sell these security officer uniforms, which look very similar to police uniform of GongAn uniforms. I mean they all look the same. It could simply be some guy dressed in a security uniform trying to earn money by conning people.

But how do you tell the difference between them anyhow? But I suppose when you bargain with them in regards to the violation ticket, it's a clear sign that they are the not the real thing. Haha. I love your stories SEAJOE.

AsnDragon

Eyebrow777

01-02-09, 23:14

There tons of these conmen in uniforms these days. It's hard to tell them apart form the real guys. Reason being is. There's shops in CP that I know of that sell these security officer uniforms, which look very similar to police uniform of GongAn uniforms. I mean they all look the same. It could simply be some guy dressed in a security uniform trying to earn money by conning people.
AsnDragonHad an encounter with what some of these uniformed guys after my last visit to 999 Sauna in SH. It was about midnight. Paid for services at the front counter and stepped out the front door to catch a taxi. There was a taxi waiting and a couple of uniformed guys. Security guards, GongAn or imposters. Stepped up and opened the taxi door for me. Kinda spooky. I just smiled and said Xie Xie. Nice guys.

Sfinil

01-04-09, 19:52

Mauldid

01-04-09, 21:26

Had similar problem in other countries, instead of trying to by pass the proxy, change your DNS server instead. You will have to follow the instruction based on your OS. Good luck.

https://www.opendns.com/homenetwork/start/computer/

Reply back if this works.

Mal

OldAsiaHand

01-05-09, 08:57

Tried searching, but I can't find out what this "red rope" thing is people keep talking about. Anyone have a definition or a link to one? I hope it has nothing to do with a girl on her period. I can't get down with that.

Sfinil,

The red ropes are a fixture hung from the ceiling above the bed in some saunas that the girls use to hang from. The two most common uses are to tie her legs in them and lower herself down to give you a BJ. The other is to sit in them at the right level so you can stick it in standing up on the bed.

OAH

Wapec

01-05-09, 14:22

Try looking at some of my old posts under the Zhuhai thread. Also, search under SuperForce's posts in Zhuhai. Pretty sure that its been explained there. I know I posted and also did a pic upload of the tools used :)

Personal choice thing. Worth trying once just to cum to a conclusion IMHO.

JMPOV
/W

Tried searching, but I can't find out what this "red rope" thing is people keep talking about. Anyone have a definition or a link to one? I hope it has nothing to do with a girl on her period. I can't get down with that.

Eaglestar

01-06-09, 05:50

Sent to me by a fellow monger.......FYI

China announced Monday it was cracking down on major websites, including search engine giants Google and Baidu, over the spread of pornography and other material that could corrupt young people.

China's Ministry of Public Security and six other government agencies announced the crackdown at a meeting on Monday, the official China Internet Illegal Information Reporting Centre said in a statement.

"For those websites that repeatedly ignore warnings, we will publicise a few, punish a few and even close down a few," Cai Mingzhao, deputy chief of the cabinet's Information Office, said in the statement.

Cai said some websites had taken advantage of government policies and loopholes to publish "low-class, crude and even vulgar contents, which severely corrupted the public mentality".

"The vulgar trend has deeply harmed the mental and physical health of the young generation ... Many parents are calling out: 'Save our children'. They want the government to take drastic action."

The government would initially target 19 Internet service providers and websites that had failed to remove "vulgar" content and had shrugged off censors' warnings, the statement said.

It named Google as having failed to take action on government complaints that its search engine results contained a "massive number of links to pornographic web sites."

"Google has clear policies to protect freedom of expression while not allowing illegal content on our sites in China and elsewhere around the world," a spokesman for the US firm said in response to an AFP inquiry.

"As a search engine, Google does not control the content of the billions of pages in our index."

Baidu is the most popular search engine in China, followed by Google, and it was similarly accused of linking to obscene sites as well as providing blogging services that were used by some people to post vulgar images.

China has launched Internet crackdowns on pornography, con artists and political activists in the past, but officials warned the latest campaign would include tougher measures, without giving specifics.

Aside from its publicly announced crackdowns, China's communist rulers generally exercise extremely strict control over the Internet, blocking access to many politically sensitive sites.

Reporters Without Borders has described China as an "enemy of the Internet" because of its censorship policies.

Monday's announcement comes as China enters a year filled with sensitive anniversaries, including 20 years since the deadly 1989 military crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in Tiananmen Square.

China has the world's largest online population at more that 250 million people, according to official figures, and is growing rapidly as computer use rises along with income levels.

Starchild2012

01-06-09, 20:58

Sent to me by a fellow monger.......FYI

China announced Monday it was cracking down on major websites, including search engine giants Google and Baidu, over the spread of pornography and other material that could corrupt young people.

I never understand Governments in any country, same thing happens in my counrty too India..which is a democracy..why are some people hell bent on controlling the lives of others..they really have controll issues.

Internet is the easiest means to control things....its just software.....This shows the stupidity of Chinese if they were so smarter they could have controlled the malamine crap and for indians who banned go go bars in india..if they were so smarter they could have saved us from militant attack in mumbai.

And whats up with Norway governments with their new sex laws...I was planning to make a trip to shanghai on my way to philiphines this month end...hope things dont change..i just love chinese women.

As a sign of protest..I'm watching Chinese Porn right now and masturbating..hope my cum goes straights into the faces of these control freaks :D

Bnlee2

01-07-09, 05:39

Sent to me by a fellow monger. FYI

China announced Monday it was cracking down on major websites, including search engine giants Google and Baidu, over the spread of pornography and other material that could corrupt young people. Eaglestar.

When I'm in China I respect the party. I just do not want to be thrown into the pokey. I even have my ringtone singing to their anthem. Never say anything dumb or disrespectful to the government in any correspondence while I'm there. You just never know who is watching or listening in on you.

Bnlee2

01-08-09, 02:31

I never understand Governments in any country, same thing happens in my counrty too India..which is a democracy..why are some people hell bent on controlling the lives of others..they really have controll issues.

Internet is the easiest means to control things....its just software.....This shows the stupidity of Chinese if they were so smarter they could have controlled the malamine crap and for indians who banned go go bars in india..if they were so smarter they could have saved us from militant attack in mumbai.

And whats up with Norway governments with their new sex laws...I was planning to make a trip to shanghai on my way to philiphines this month end...hope things dont change..i just love chinese women.

As a sign of protest..I'm watching Chinese Porn right now and masturbating..hope my cum goes straights into the faces of these control freaks :DBornloser 5,

You sound like a smart fella and knows what he is talking about. When you are in Shanghai, you should express your opinion as loudly as possible. Tell anyone you meet that you think that the Chinese government is dumb trying to control the situation. If you speak loud enough maybe your opinion will be heard by a vast number of people that listen for the Communist Party in China. I'm sure that if you speak loud enough and telling as many people as you can get ahold of, that someone will take your comment to heart and find the right person to tell. They may appreciate so much that they may want you to stay indefinitely. Just my two rmb on this. Oh, yeah. Maybe then you would not be stuck in the India reading ISG forum in the middle of the night. You got to admit that China is a better mongering place than India.

As for me, I am contented with my current situation.

Ciao

El Greco

01-08-09, 18:53

Sfinil,

The red ropes are a fixture hung from the ceiling above the bed in some saunas that the girls use to hang from. The two most common uses are to tie her legs in them and lower herself down to give you a BJ. The other is to sit in them at the right level so you can stick it in standing up on the bed.

OAH

I found today this photo posted by "Bad Boy Billy" on the Rio de Janeiro forum.
It is self explanatory.

Starchild2012

01-09-09, 17:28

Bornloser 5,

You sound like a smart fella and knows what he is talking about. When you are in Shanghai, you should express your opinion as loudly as possible. Tell anyone you meet that you think that the Chinese government is dumb trying to control the situation. If you speak loud enough maybe your opinion will be heard by a vast number of people that listen for the Communist Party in China. I'm sure that if you speak loud enough and telling as many people as you can get ahold of, that someone will take your comment to heart and find the right person to tell. They may appreciate so much that they may want you to stay indefinitely. Just my two rmb on this. Oh, yeah. Maybe then you would not be stuck in the India reading ISG forum in the middle of the night. You got to admit that China is a better mongering place than India.

As for me, I am contented with my current situation.

Ciao

Hehehe..Good One :D...Well , when i do doggie i plan to yell alll these words from behind....;)

AsnDragon

01-09-09, 17:39

I never understand Governments in any country, same thing happens in my counrty too India. Which is a democracy. Why are some people hell bent on controlling the lives of others. They really have controll issues.

Internet is the easiest means to control things. Its just software. This shows the stupidity of Chinese if they were so smarter they could have controlled the malamine crap and for indians who banned go go bars in india. If they were so smarter they could have saved us from militant attack in Mumbai.

And whats up with Norway governments with their new sex laws. I was planning to make a trip to shanghai on my way to philiphines this month end. Hope things don't change. I just love Chinese women.

As a sign of protest. I'm watching Chinese Porn right now and masturbating. Hope my cum goes straights into the faces of these control freaks: DAre you sure you are watching Chinese porn? And not Japanese Porn? I have never seen Chinese porn in my life and don't think they exist. If there really is such thing as Chinese Porn, showing everything, then I've been missing out here.

AsnDragon

Csun213

01-09-09, 20:14

Are you sure you are watching Chinese porn? And not Japanese Porn? I have never seen Chinese porn in my life and don't think they exist. If there really is such thing as Chinese Porn, showing everything, then I've been missing out here.

AsnDragon

There are Chinese porn however they are not the really hardcore you are used to everywhere. They usually have a story line and just some sex thrown in. They do show everything but the whole sex part is usually less than 10% of the video. Not worth watching if you are looking for porn.

One Eyed Man

01-13-09, 03:56

SE Asia Joe

01-13-09, 05:25

From reading various city forums, it seems like natives get a pass when it comes to wearing the love hat, as do many foreigners in the heat of passion? Are most Chinese women on the Pill? Prayer? There must be some assistance in enforcing the "one child" policy, given what men and women do when they're together....
Unfortunately, most Chinese GF, wives - even WG's are quite pliant when faced with what their men requires them to do - including demands to NOT use condoms.

The Pill is NOT as widely used as in The U.S. and other western countries and I'd say that quite an alarming proportion of gals in China don't even know anything about contraceptive films which is widely available there - never mind I.U.D's, cervical dams, female condoms etc etc!

And so yes, too many Chinese gals have to resort to prayers.... and worse ... abortions for their birth control. True! Very true - and abortions in China is very commonplace. Actual abortions, plus Morning after pills are widely available - and used. And if you think these morning after pills are no big deal - well, I've seen how these gals suffer after taking these pills; bad, really bad.

Having said the above though, the government is very actively promoting the use of condoms and make such widely available - thru all sorts of shops and even street corner RMB1@ vending machines.

BTW, I'd venture to guess that the great majority of mistresses in China are required by their paramours to never use condoms as such non-use is one of the biggest attractions for guys to keep concubines/mistresses instead of just doing common WG's.

SEAJ

Wapec

01-13-09, 14:50

There is Chinese Porn (C-pian) if you include HKG or Taiwan in the category. \W

Are you sure you are watching Chinese porn? And not Japanese Porn? I have never seen Chinese porn in my life and don't think they exist. If there really is such thing as Chinese Porn, showing everything, then I've been missing out here.

AsnDragon

Eaglestar

01-14-09, 10:46

Isn't it nice to have OWL in his own little fiefdom and not screwing up the rest of the board he he he.

ES

SE Asia Joe

01-14-09, 11:01

Isn't it nice to have OWL in his own little fiefdom and not screwing up the rest of the board he he he.

ES

Hahahaha!!
I just saw what he posted up in HIS forum!!

Cain't believe it!! Too damn funny I say!! That he's gotta "lift" from the main boards - where he can't post on!! - repost it on HIS forum ...and then talk to himself!!

Just too ridiculous!!

SEAJ

Eaglestar

01-15-09, 02:04

Actually Joe I have OWL in my ignore list so I don't have to read his self serving drivel but did see he had posted and wanted to express my gratitude for Jackson having isolated him.

ES

Signalizer

01-17-09, 01:08

OldAsiaHand

01-17-09, 07:27

I am looking at making a trip to HK and Dongguan in September. What do you think a week of steady mongering will set me back? I'm fairly new to this since I only have a couple trips to Costa Rica. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Signalizer,

It depends on your definition of steady mongering and at what price level? There is a wealth of knowledge on the HK and DG threads about options. Just multiply by your preference and consumption rate and there you go. In other words, RTFF!

Just my POV.

OAH

JustDoIt

01-17-09, 22:24

For the members who had use QQ chat, Tencent has cloesd down the chat service.

http://www.chinatechnews.com/2009/01/12/8467-tencent-suspends-chinese-qq-chat-room/

The Chinese instant messaging provider Tencent has announced on its official bulletin board forum that it temporarily closed its QQ chat room from January 8, 2009.

The company is coordinatig with the Chinese government's special campaign against the vulgar atmosphere on the Chinese Internet, and the the company decided to temporarily close its QQ chat room service from 17:00, January 8, 2009, and the company will publish the time for reopening in a further notice.

On January 5, 2009, seven Chinese government departments jointly started a nationwide campaign to fight websites that spread pornography and vulgarity on the Chinese Internet. At the same time, a list of 19 websites which had pornographic and vulgar contents were exposed, including well-known websites like Google, Baidu, Sina.com, Sohu.com, QQ.com and NetEase.com.

Over the past few days, several relevant websites such as Sina.com and NetEase.com have implemented rectification campaigns and made public apologies.

Signalizer

01-18-09, 08:24

Signalizer,

It depends on your definition of steady mongering and at what price level? There is a wealth of knowledge on the HK and DG threads about options. Just multiply by your preference and consumption rate and there you go. In other words, RTFF!

Just my POV.

OAHThanks OAH, I was thinking of spending most of my time in the saunas in the hotels and the bbc's. Maybe hitting a KTV a couple times.

Eaglestar

01-19-09, 11:33

Thank you so much of all your help Jackson. I know I was a pain in the ass but I really appreciate all you did.

ES

Eaglestar

01-23-09, 03:13

really? ? ?

(ap) -- women who perform the act of fellatio and swallow semen on a regular basis, one to two times a week, may reduce their risk of breast cancer by up to 40 percent, a north carolina state university study found.

doctors had never suspected a link between the act of fellatio and breast cancer, but new research being performed at north carolina state university is starting to suggest that there could be an important link between the two.

in a study of over 15,000 women suspected of having performed regular fellatio and swallowed the ejaculatory fluid, over the past ten years, the researchers found that those actually having performed the act regularly, one to two times a week, had a lower occurrence of breast cancer than those who had not. there was no increased risk, however, for those who did not regularly perform.

"i think it removes the last shade of doubt that fellatio is actually a healthy act," said dr. a.j. kramer of johns hopkins school of medicine, who was not involved in the research. "i am surprised by these findings, but am also excited that the researchers may have discovered a relatively easy way to lower the occurrence of breast cancer in women."

the university researchers stressed that, though breast cancer is relatively uncommon, any steps taken to reduce the risk would be a wise decision.

"only with regular occurrence will your chances be reduced, so i encourage all women out there to make fellatio an important part of their daily routine," said dr. helena shifteer, one of the researchers at the university. "since the emergence of the research, i try to fellate at least once every other night to reduce my chances."

the study is reported in friday's journal of medical research.

in 1991, 43,582 women died of breast cancer, as reported by the national cancer institute.

dr. len lictepeen, deputy chief medical officer for the american cancer society, said women should not overlook or "play down" these findings.

"this will hopefully change women's practice and patterns, resulting in a severe drop in the future number of cases," lictepeen said.

sooner said the research shows no increase in the risk of breast cancer in those who are, for whatever reason, not able to fellate regularly.

"there's definitely fertile ground for more research. many have stepped forward to volunteer for related research now in the planning stages," he said.

almost every woman is, at some point, going to perform the act of fellatio, but it is the frequency at which this event occurs that makes the difference, say researchers. also key seems to be the protein and enzyme count in the semen, but researchers are again waiting for more test data.

the reasearch consisted of two groups, 6,246 women ages 25 to 45 who had performed fellatio and swallowed on a regular basis over the past five to ten years, and 9,728 women who had not or did not swallow. the group of women who had performed and swallowed had a breast cancer rate of 1.9 percent and the group who had not had a breast cancer rate of 10.4 percent.

"the findings do suggest that there are other causes for breast cancer besides the absence of regular fellatio," shafteer said. "it's a cause, not the cause."

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Mmlouie

01-23-09, 07:09

REALLY?

(AP).- Women who perform the act of fellatio and swallow semen on a regular basis, one to two times a week, may reduce their risk of breast cancer by up to 40 percent, a North Carolina State University study found.That, my friend is an old study. I showed that to my ex gf back then, did I get cimws. All I got out of her was a chuckle!

Intransit

01-23-09, 22:24

The murky world of sex for survival

January 24, 2009

"WE WANT to recruit ladies, we guarantee a minimum pay of $1000 per week," the advertisement in a Chinese-language newspaper reads.

It is likely "Jenny" and "Susan", the two Chinese women murdered in Auburn late last year, saw these ads and found their way to one of the many brothels in south-western Sydney, the money too good to refuse and the security it bought their families far greater than anything they could earn back home.

Like most migrant sex workers in Sydney, it is understood they were here on valid temporary visas that allowed them to work a certain number of hours each week without breaching their conditions. And they would have come from a culture that criminalises prostitution, where corruption of police and public officials is rife.

As NSW police continued to appeal for information that could lead them to the killer of the women - discovered on November 13 in a flat in Queen Street, Auburn - they appear to have faced a wall of silence from other sex workers unused to trusting authorities to properly investigate crimes.

What they have learnt is that the women worked in the sex industry - a report in a Chinese-language newspaper indicated the two were employed by brothel in Bankstown - and were sending money to their families in China.

"These are people who had come from a very, very hard life," said Detective Inspector Jim Stewart, who heads the strike force investigating the murders. "So far we have learned that Susan, a widow whose husband died many years ago, was supporting her daughter who is being looked after by relatives in China."

Preliminary autopsy results indicate whoever killed them was a "strong, powerful person" given the extent of their injuries, Detective Inspector Stewart said. "This was an absolutely brutal murder, and there is now an eight-year-old child back in China without her mother."

The women had left a holiday tour early to work. Detective Inspector Stewart confirmed they had sought protection visas to stay in Australia and that these were being considered at the time of the murders.

There was "nothing to suggest the women were involved in trafficking," he said - indeed a recent study of Asian sex workers revealed most had made their own arrangements for travel and work in Australia and retained their passports.

The study examined data from more than 1800 Asian sex workers who visited the Sydney Sexual Health Clinic from 1992 to 2006, and found the women had a very low prevalence of sexually transmitted infections, rarely had serious drug or alcohol problems and were more likely to be married and have children than comparable Australian sex workers, its author, Chris Harcourt, said yesterday.

At the time, neighbours said they believed the women were students as they were often seen carrying backpacks, although those who work in services that support sex workers say it is not surprising the women were discreet about their jobs.

"Confidentiality is obviously a primary concern for sex workers, but for migrant sex workers it is even more important because you are talking women who are living in small communities in Sydney, and they are women that have children and families back home in China," said Jo Holden, the manager of the Sex Workers Outreach Project.

"Culturally, there is a high level of stigma and shame attached to sex working so they are very, very careful about what they disclose and to whom they talk."

Many were often reluctant to report domestic violence, assault or other criminal activity to police, Ms Holden said.

It is often the language barrier that leads these women to sex work - it prevents them from finding employment for reasonable pay in other industries and leaves them with little alternative. And once they see the newspaper advertisements seeking women for work in brothels and do the figures, it is seen as the best way to earn a decent living.

"It is all about securing a better future for their family in China," Ms Holden said.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/01/23/1232471590822.html

Mao Dun

01-23-09, 22:56

From reading various city forums, it seems like natives get a pass when it comes to wearing the love hat, as do many foreigners in the heat of passion? Are most Chinese women on the Pill? Prayer? There must be some assistance in enforcing the "one child" policy, given what men and women do when they're together....

I have a 29 year old freebie who uses I think a cervical dam (she calls it a "huan2" that she had inserted as a minor procedure; the way she described it it sounds like some kind of cap on her cervix). She told me she put it in because she gets pregnant very easily and has previously had SIX abortions. Nevertheless she seems to think it's preferable for me to do her uncovered, and I had to persuade her for a long time that I enjoy it just fine with a condom. She's a little too confident in her "huan2" I think, considering how many times she's been pregnant. I asked her if she took the pill, and first she thought I was talking about the morning after pill. When we straightened out that I was talking about the daily pill, she dismissed it on the basis of side effects or something. I got the impression the pill is not widely available and doesn't have a good reputation here.

Mao Dun

Uncle Rico

01-24-09, 03:17

I have a 29 year old freebie who uses I think a cervical dam (she calls it a "huan2" that she had inserted as a minor procedure; the way she described it it sounds like some kind of cap on her cervix). She told me she put it in because she gets pregnant very easily and has previously had SIX abortions. Nevertheless she seems to think it's preferable for me to do her uncovered, and I had to persuade her for a long time that I enjoy it just fine with a condom. She's a little too confident in her "huan2" I think, considering how many times she's been pregnant.

Mao DunMao Dun, it seems prudent not to hit the open range riding bareback for more than concerns of unintended procreative consequences. In line with many places, I imagine STDs are on the rise in China, too. Is it fairly easy to get a panel done there with your partner? Or would that somehow be considered odd or inappropriate?

Loveasiangirls

01-24-09, 03:51

REALLY? ? ?

(AP) -- Women who perform the act of fellatio and swallow semen on a regular basis, one to two times a week, may reduce their risk of breast cancer by up to 40 percent,

Well documented hoax! Too bad, snif snif

Mao Dun

01-24-09, 18:06

Mao Dun, it seems prudent not to hit the open range riding bareback for more than concerns of unintended procreative consequences. In line with many places, I imagine STDs are on the rise in China, too. Is it fairly easy to get a panel done there with your partner? Or would that somehow be considered odd or inappropriate?

Uncle Rico:

Perhaps I was not clear in my message; I did not state that I was riding bareback, only that my friend wished that I would do so.

MD

Uncle Rico

01-24-09, 21:19

Uncle Rico:

Perhaps I was not clear in my message; I did not state that I was riding bareback, only that my friend wished that I would do so.

MDMao dun,

I must not have been clear. Actually, I understood and was applauding your choice to cover John Thomas during the act, even with your partner's wishes to the contrary. Lately been reading Violet Blue's blog about "safer" sex. Can't really imagine putting the dip stick in as is, unless some testing has been done first.

Thanks again for the 411.

Rico

Old Mean Dog

01-26-09, 10:26

I have a 29 year old freebie who uses I think a cervical dam (she calls it a "huan2" that she had inserted as a minor procedure; the way she described it it sounds like some kind of cap on her cervix). She told me she put it in because she gets pregnant very easily and has previously had SIX abortions. Nevertheless she seems to think it's preferable for me to do her uncovered, and I had to persuade her for a long time that I enjoy it just fine with a condom. She's a little too confident in her "huan2" I think, considering how many times she's been pregnant. I asked her if she took the pill, and first she thought I was talking about the morning after pill. When we straightened out that I was talking about the daily pill, she dismissed it on the basis of side effects or something. I got the impression the pill is not widely available and doesn't have a good reputation here.

Mao DunThe daily pill is quite easy to get here (drugstore), runs about 60 RMB for a months worth. My gf was on it, but said it caused side effects, one of which I noticed was pimples. Seems many gals here do not like the daily pill, but pop the day after pill (Which is widely available) like it was candy.

-CPE

Harry Ness

01-27-09, 18:28

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

SE Asia Joe

02-02-09, 08:58

Just received a PMS from another member asking about where to go in Shenzhen for STD testing.

I gave him a few weak leads but then also suggested strongly that he should instead just come over to Hong Kong to do this.

Reason being that in the past, if I recall correctly, China had regularly deported and actually put a permament bar from return - of foreigners who had any venereal diseases.

Any of you guys know if this is still the case?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

02-02-09, 09:01

Seems many gals here do not like the daily pill, but pop the day after pill (Which is widely available) like it was candy.

-CPE
You're kidding right? Popping it like Candy??!

Have you ever been with a gal who took one of those morning after pills? Especially if she indeed was pregnant?

I have and it was not a pretty sight. She was really sick and in bad shape for a few days after. Nahhh... I wouldn't characterize taking these morning after pills as "liking popping candies"

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Wadman

02-02-09, 09:21

Depends. If you do an official checkup (as required by your study or employment contract) then the hospital will register you with your passport. So, if the docs find something you may very well be in big poo-poo.

But if you walk into a Shenzhen hospital on your own, they don't ask for any ID (not with me anyway at Beijing university hospital in Shenzhen). You can fill in whatever you want on the registration booklet, the docs only use it to keep track of what treatment you have received, and future appointments. Nobody seemed to care, or asked whether I am local. Disclaimer: I am of Chinese descent.

And if you know what kind of medication you need, you can just get it at one of the countless pharmacies. When the dispenser asks you whether you know what you are doing, and whether you have taking the medication before, the correct answer to both is "YES".

Just received a PMS from another member asking about where to go in Shenzhen for STD testing.

I gave him a few weak leads but then also suggested strongly that he should instead just come over to Hong Kong to do this.

Reason being that in the past, if I recall correctly, China had regularly deported and actually put a permament bar from return - of foreigners who had any venereal diseases.

Any of you guys know if this is still the case?

SEAJ

Wadman

02-04-09, 15:34

Surgeons remove donated kidney through vagina

Full article at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090203/ap_on_he_me/med_vaginal_kidney_removal;_ylt=AgXHzLMEa29NdxaT6pnRtnKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFkN2ZrODBmBHBvcwMxNDAEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl9oZWFsdGgEc2xrA21kc3VyZ2VvbnNyZQ--

That means, if your dick is long enough, and you fuck her hard enough, you can poke her in the kidneys.

SE Asia Joe

02-05-09, 03:51

Ding Ne Ke fai" - a popular, a bit less vulgar swear in Cantonese - meaning: Poke you to your lungs.

SEAJ

Surgeons remove donated kidney through vagina

Full article at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090203/ap_on_he_me/med_vaginal_kidney_removal;_ylt=AgXHzLMEa29NdxaT6pnRtnKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFkN2ZrODBmBHBvcwMxNDAEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl9oZWFsdGgEc2xrA21kc3VyZ2VvbnNyZQ--

That means, if your dick is long enough, and you fuck her hard enough, you can poke her in the kidneys.

Bc8000

02-05-09, 04:56

But if you walk into a Shenzhen hospital on your own, they don't ask for any ID (not with me anyway at Beijing university hospital in Shenzhen). You can fill in whatever you want on the registration booklet, the docs only use it to keep track of what treatment you have received, and future appointments. Nobody seemed to care, or asked whether I am local. Disclaimer: I am of Chinese descent.Yes, just your name in Chinese Characters / Age / Gender. 3 steps plus 4RMB paid at registration. You are on the way to the physician's office. It might be slightly more for Specialist care, maybe 30RMB.

Must have had 8 visits in the past. Ranging from the rural LoChen Quangxi medical center to the Specialist Eye Clinic in Zhuhai. As Wagman said, I too look ethic Chinese.

As far as quality of visit, just say you are just one in a Billion and they get the job done better than half the time! My last visit to remove a dark mole by laser. Cost 35 rmb. Includes anesthetic.

Learned to ask the locals beforehand, which hospital is reputed. Prefer one with specialist physicians. Must say it takes come guts to go thru the system.- few explanations for medication and practically no record kept by the hospital. You keep your own medical records.

Something funny at a Quangdong hospital dispensary. A Northern Chinese woman was waiting for HER OWN NAME to be called. They called her name in CANTONESE over and over. No Show! Finally after 30 minutes she got upset and yelled at the dispensary for not using putonghua announcements!

Good Luck. Speak Cantonese in Guangdong, Putonghua everywhere else.

Bc8000

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Louie OK

02-05-09, 21:46

Bc8000

02-05-09, 22:49

Passport is a definite must - showing date of entry into China.
Some Chinese written skills will be helpful or bring along someone to translate. The name on the passport must appear on the account. Your Chinese name, if you have chosen one, do not even have to be notarized (KONG-CHEN) by the City for this purpose.

Bank will usually ask for an address and telephone number. As for address, I have used the hotel address. Also spot a less busy branch where someone can sit with you fill out the application. Minimum 10rmb deposit.

FYI, the major and most convenient banks are Bank of China,China Construction bank, Agricultural bank. They have branches located in almost every city.

\Bc8000

Mmlouie

02-05-09, 22:49

Money & bank accounts in China

Any PRC expats or mongerers have knowledge of bank account policies in China ?
I would guess at a minimum that some type of residency is required.
Somebody please school me or direct me to where the info can be had.with the proper ids anyone could open a bank account in china, but what is the exact purpose of the account? do a google search on the available banks in the area that you are interested in, find out if there is foreign bank that you are familiar with. if your intention is just to drawn money from the atm, you could do that with your existing citibank, bank of america or hsbc account but again it depends on which city you will be in.

you have to be more specific in what you are trying to do. if it is for a business, it gets much more complicated.

Intransit

02-06-09, 02:48

note: title is misleading. ultimately, these women choose prostitution, they are not forced into it.

paris (afp) — hundreds of chinese women have left their children behind in the hope of finding work in paris, only to end up turning to street prostitution, a humanitarian group said thursday.

a report by medecins du monde (doctors of the world) said the women, mostly in their forties and sharing small rooms, are often victims of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and violence, and are highly exposed to sexually-transmitted disease.

the group runs a mobile clinic in immigrant districts in the french capital to reach out to the 500 women, many of whom are from china's northeastern dongbei region which has been hard-hit by unemployment.

their situation is alarming, said melanie quetier, who works at the clinic known as the lotus bus which opened in 2002.

"they have neglected their health for a long time and many discover too late that they are suffering from diabetes, cancer or heart trouble," she said.

women go to the agency's lotus bus for condoms but the chinese-speaking staff tries to convince them to go for testing for sexually-transmitted diseases or consult a gynecologist.

a survey of 93 women by the lotus bus team found that many had paid between 7,000 and 15,000 euros (9,000 to 19,000 dollars) to travel to france after losing their jobs in china.

more than 65 percent of them are over forty and 90 percent said they had left at least one child in china.

"these vulnerable women who do not speak french come up against non-chinese customers who think they can do anything to them," said quetier.

the chinese women are considered "cheap prostitutes", charging as little as five euros for sex, she said.

more than a third of the women questioned said they had been treated for a sexually-transmitted disease and 45 percent said they had not been tested for hiv, according to the report.

housing is a problem for them, with many banding together to rent out small rooms for between 100 and 150 euros a month.

now in her fifties, yanyan arrived two years ago in paris after losing her job in a textile factory and found work as a nanny in a chinese immigrant family that exploited her.

to earn extra money, she turned to prostitution a year ago in the streets in the belleville district of paris, with its lively east asian quarter.

"fortunately, my family doesn't know about this," said yanyan, who has since divorced her chinese husband and hopes to marry in france.

Lowkey1

02-06-09, 05:25

Old Mean Dog

02-06-09, 15:52

You're kidding right? Popping it like Candy??!

Have you ever been with a gal who took one of those morning after pills? Especially if she indeed was pregnant?

I have and it was not a pretty sight. She was really sick and in bad shape for a few days after. Nahhh... I wouldn't characterize taking these morning after pills as "liking popping candies"

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Not kidding Joe, In "My Little World" I know many gals that "pop" this pill quite often. Just goes to show you how much unprotected sex is going around. It can't be good to "pop" these pills on a regular basis.

-CPE

Mmlouie

02-06-09, 16:51

I heard of families paying 30k for a man to come marry their daughter in order to get them to the usa. Does anyone know of where I can contact someone that is interested in this? Please PM me details and don't post them.George. Call the cis, they have info for you?

I have answers for you, but it will cost you 20%. Is actually much more than that.

Old Mean Dog

02-07-09, 11:00

George. Call the cis, they have info for you?

I have answers for you, but it will cost you 20%. Is actually much more than that.

LOL, I agree, it's much more than just 30k, but then again totally illegal. Damn, is unemployment that bad back in the West?

-CPE

Mmlouie

02-07-09, 16:19

LOL, I agree, it's much more than just 30k, but then again totally illegal. Damn, is unemployment that bad back in the West?

-CPEYup, havent you heard?

Record high unemployment rate in 45 years.

Mmlouie

02-09-09, 04:05

Can you help?You got to use pm, this kind of information is not going up on a public forum, at least not by me. Like I said, the standard rate is 20%.

Amjeck

02-09-09, 06:49

I'm planning on crossing over from HK int Shenzen with a usa passport. Can a chinese visa be obtained at this border? If so How much is it? How much time to process?

Eaglestar

02-09-09, 07:08

I'm planning on crossing over from HK int Shenzen with a usa passport. Can a chinese visa be obtained at this border? If so How much is it? How much time to process?

You cannot.

Click "Search This Thread" here directly above in the dark blue header, type the work 'visa' and you will find a wealth of info about US citizens visa process.

ES

Old Mean Dog

02-09-09, 11:06

Can you help?

Nope, sorry. You need to start talking to some of them gold-diggers on those international marriage websites. Tell 'em straight up what your intentions are. Just remember, you gotta stay married to her for a few years!

-CPE

Sam Fofo

02-09-09, 13:16

Fattie

02-09-09, 19:30

I heard of families paying 30k for a man to come marry their daughter in order to get them to the USA. Does anyone know of where I can contact someone that is interested in this? Please PM me details and don't post them.George 30k? The going rate is 50k min. and thats if she doesn't have kids. Add 15k for each child.

Mmlouie

02-09-09, 22:39

Hello experts

I'm in Guangzhou for 5 days and I'm staying in 5 star hotel, when I checked the hotel guest service directory I found them asking to register your guests in reception and they'll not allow any kind of prestitution.

So, should I be worry about that, or that just crap?That is true from most branded 5 star hotel in China, they are not very girl friendly. Some 5 star hotel will allow you to have guest for st before 9-10 pm if you escort her in yourself, after that you have to register any overnight guest/s. Depends on the hotel, there are ways around it but some could be very strict.

Next time, check into a non-branded four star hotel instead!

Mmlouie

02-10-09, 00:22

George 30k? The going rate is 50k min. and thats if she doesn't have kids. Add 15k for each child.I handle these quite often but not no more, that is old info. China and us signed a freedom to travel agreement effective last year, so the price have came down. But it is more than 30, no more for child additions. competitions have driven down prices, it peaked 8 years ago right after 9/11.

Mmlouie

02-10-09, 02:13

For what it is worth; it was yesterday, the 9th.

OldAsiaHand

02-10-09, 03:58

George 30k? The going rate is 50k min. and thats if she doesn't have kids. Add 15k for each child.

Last I heard from a reliable source working in the US government visa section, the going rate was 65k. I was offered 30k nearly 15 years ago.

That said, it is very illegal and the penalties can be extremely severe.
The immigration guys are well trained to spot fraud. My advice is to forget about it.

Just my POV.

OAH

Mmlouie

02-10-09, 05:36

Last I heard from a reliable source working in the US government visa section, the going rate was 65k. I was offered 30k nearly 15 years ago.

That said, it is very illegal and the penalties can be extremely severe.
The immigration guys are well trained to spot fraud. My advice is to forget about it.
Let me clear the reward rate up for everyone; it is supply and demand, there is no written specific amount for this kind of transaction. Price have gone down sufficiently recently because of the recent traveling agreement signing between China and us.

Currently, uscis are awared that probably nine out of ten filing of Chinese marrying into us are fake marriages. Out of those, over 30% are in under suspicious. Do they have the men power to investigate every single suspicious filing, of course not. That is why it is so important to do your homework first if you are ever thinking about getting involved into this type of adventure, and most important to have the right handler.

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250, 000, or both (I. N. A. § 275(c), 8 U. S. C. § 1325(c)).

The U. S. Citizen or resident could also face criminal prosecution, including fines or imprisonment, depending on the facts of the case. They are most likely to be prosecuted for either criminal conspiracy (conspiring with the immigrant is enough; see U. S. V. Vickerage, 921 F. 2d 143 (8th Cir. 1990)), or for establishing a "commercial enterprise" to get people green cards (see I. N. A. § 275(d), 8 U. S. C. § 1325(d)).

The extent to which these penalties are applied depends on the specifics of each case. The government tends to reserve the highest penalties for U. S. Citizens or residents engaged in major conspiracy operations, such as systematically arranging fraudulent marriages. But that doesn’t mean that small-time participants in marriage fraud can count on a soft punishment—though most immigrants will probably simply be deported and never allowed to return.

Especially with our current economy situation in the us, being in the west is not as desirable as we think it is. The demands are not there as much as it used to be, and the supplies have gone sky high. Which means the price will definitely be going down, don't mean to burst anybodies bubbles.

SE Asia Joe

02-10-09, 06:20

Let me clear this up for everyone; it is supply and demand, there is no written specific amount for this kind of transaction. Price have gone down sufficiently recently because of the recent traveling agreement signing between China and us.
I believe you are correctly writing about the "fake-marriage to get Green card" racket here - right?

That means for a China citizen to obtain a travel visa, all he/she simply have to put 100-150k rmb deposit for the visa. There is a yearly quota and it is first come, first serve. Still not too many people in China have that kind of cash sitting around, but for someone who is willing to almost everything to get out of China. It is much more cheaper than going through the marriage route.
.
But then, the next sentence you are writing about a tourist, H# or other regular. non-immigrant U.S. visas. And on this, you are NOT factual.
Fact is that there are lots of U.S. non-immigrant visa applicants who are turned down for whatever visa they are applying for even when they've got all the bona fide financial proof, employment record, RMB 150k (or whatever amounts) and have gone thru all the regular channels perfectly.

The fact of the matter is that the Consular staff interviewing the applicant has the sole and independent right to grant or deny such apllication. And it is first based upon this staff's instinct, feeling or even if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning.

My Apologies, but IMHO, your "let me clear this up for everyone" post I think will just confuse more people reading.

SEAJ