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SE Asia Joe

02-11-09, 04:13

Of course it is up to the discretion of the interviewer, I never said that it wasnt and I certainly apologized that it sounded like an easy process that you just drop down the deposit and you get your tourist visa. It was commented to reflected that since this avenue is available now, and how it impacted the fake marriage market. To many, this is the first avenue they exploring rather than the fake marriage process.

but we are also talking about two different process, and yes i did not make it very clear but i was actually commenting on the reward rate which everyone here is concerning about. so it is intend to be read in its full context. as to the visas; you are speaking about a normal tourist visa that one obtain from the embassy, a ten year tourist visa with the freedom to travel. i am speaking about the tourist agreement that was just signed between the us and china to allow one time visit to the us on a special tour group. let me emphasis one time entry only. this is done with an approval travel agency, current only available in bj, sh and gz and two other major cities. hakkien citizen need not apply, you have been blacklisted. there are special requirements similar to the tourist visa but there are no face interview involved. applicant is require to leave a 150k rmb deposit to be return upon back in china, there are limited quota per year and they are on a first come first serve basis. the first group that came in were last october, it was all over the news and media. the tour group is tightly watched because it is within the responsibility of the travel agency, there are not much freedom with this type of tour group. with that said, the latest migration of illegal aliens from china are through this type of venue. it is considered the quickest and cheapest route. any specific you need to contact those travel agency to get the specifics and requirements, i heard that the priority is given to those who were born in bj. again, i do not advocate anyone to try this without professional consultation and assistance.

i stand correct with the other visa method; my company have handle over 80 + h visas within the past four year and we have a 100% success rate. however, i do have an immigration attorney to assist with their filings and necessary training. where do my staff get the deposit money to do this, i do not have a clue. what shocked me is that none of them are willing to lose their deposit to be in the west, they do not find the west that attractive.
Hey MmLouie - please understand that I certainly AM NOT flaming you or anything at all... not at all. All I'm trying to do is to clarify/make myself understand what exactly you have written. And your last post actually confuses me all the more - I believe that we were just chatting about the fake marriage racket - and you're writing about other different visas available - and not too clearly/different kinds of visas and scenarios jumbled up, if I may be excused for pointing out

Are you actually writing about three methods - out of the many different routes/visas available to come to the U.S.?

1. The fake marriage racket price is driven by supply and demand - and less 20% commission?

2. There is now a new type of visa available through and arranged by Travel agents for Chinese to come on an organized and quite highly monitored "Tour" of the U.S.? And that such visas are on a 1st come first served basis, limited to a quota/year, and requires a RMB150,000 "Return to China" bond?

3. You have succesfully applied for H visas (20+ or 80+??) for your employes to come to the U.S. which requires a whole different set of other procedure/requirements etc etc? (and I believe you're saying that such H visa also requires RMB150K "Return to China" bond?)

Like I said, I'm totally confused as to what you have written....with mucho apologies.... and just trying to clarify what is it that you're actually saying.

Peace and Regards

SEAJ

Mmlouie

02-11-09, 04:27

Omg! There is nothing to understand or am I trying to tell anyone about anything in particular. This started when someone posted for some info on fake marriages that pays 30k, then everyone here jump on that post with all sorts of different numbers. All I am telling everyone is because there are more than one choice available to leave China, thus drive the prices down. No longer will they be expecting that amount of reward.

Ignore all my other comments. In fact, I will deleted all my comments so I do not confuse you or anyone else any further. A lot of these kind of information should not go into details in a public forum anyway so as i said before, any more specific you should contact those travel agency or your immigration attorney.

Here is some further reading for those who are interested: Gutierrez Signs U. S..China Tourism Agreement to Boost Visits to U. S.

Memorandum of understanding forecasted to bring 579,000 customers to U.S. tourism industry as of 2011

BEIJING—Commerce Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) that will bring more customers to the U.S. tourism industry by facilitating group leisure travel from China to the United States and permit United States destinations to market themselves in China.

The agreement between the United States and China was announced at the U.S.-China Joint Commission on Commerce and Trade (JCCT) and is expected to be implemented in the spring of 2008.

“Today’s agreement will open a large and growing market for the U.S. travel and tourism industry,” said Gutierrez. “This creates positive economic benefits for the United States and strengthens the relationship between our nations. Now more Chinese visitors have an opportunity to experience America’s hospitality, cultural diversity and natural beauty.”

The U.S. travel and tourism industry will benefit from this MOU. Chinese visitation is forecasted to reach 579,000 Chinese travelers to the U.S. by 2011, which will increase tourism related exports.

On average, Chinese citizens spend more during their stay than visitors from other countries. In 2006, average per visitor spending by Chinese citizens traveling to the United States was more than $6,000.

The agreement was reached under the U.S.-China Joint Commission on Commerce and Trade (JCCT) Travel and Tourism Working Group. During the May Strategic Economic Dialogue (SED) II meeting in Washington, DC, the United States and China signed a declaration to launch formal negotiations to facilitate Chinese group leisure travel to the United States. This MOU facilitates travel for Chinese citizens within the State Department’s existing visa procedures and may be terminated if significant numbers of group travelers overstay their period of admission into the United States.

Mmlouie

02-11-09, 07:20

Mike B

02-11-09, 15:06

Mmlouie

02-11-09, 16:40

Mmlouie

02-11-09, 17:40

Contrary to Mmlouie's posting, "fake marriage racket" prices have not gone down, as getting the required K-1/K-3/IR/IC visa is lengthier and more difficult than ever. Just ask any forum member who's tried to legally bring his fiancée or spouse back to the US.

Any increase in tourism visa issued is completely irrelevant, as these are strictly short-term non-immigrant visas.It is only difficult and lengthy if you do not know what you are doing, right now for k filling is 6 months and I filling is 1 year. Our attorney fees is not cheap, is more than your average joe immigration attorney. There will always be Joe blow out there selling you and you could believe in anything you want to believe in. A Fujian person will offer you 100k to get their daughter in here, can you do it? It is net money that counts, can you collect full at the end? If you don't, who are you going to call on to collect? My office guarantee funding 100%, how many Joe blow out there do that? With that said, we are extremely selective to who we work with. It takes time and effort to get this done professionally, if you are not willing to put in efforts and time. They could go to mikeb's guy.

If you have read all my previous posts, then you might understand why tourism did impacted the supply and demand to the fake marriage venture. Just to prove a point, my sz office have over 25 inquiries last year between Jan to July and I was only able to handle six. Do you know how many inquiries I received from Aug to this date? Two. Now I have supplies and no demands, and when I go back to those earlier inquires, none are interested. That sure looks like supply and demand to me.

One more point, what visa you think that R/A in the us received to get here?

Yes, there is a standard rate but it is dictate by supply and demand. You do know what that means, right? It comes down to whatever they could get away with and in this economy, it is them that are in the driving seat.

Think what you think and believe what you want believe, it is a free country. I have plenty of happy clients, enough to keep me happy for the past four years for my China runs.

Fattie

02-12-09, 00:27

Mmlouie

02-12-09, 03:52

George,

Can you speak the language? If you can't then how are you going to convince immigration that you can communicate with your wife. If you doing this for the money and sleep with girl then you won't be getting paid cause she will consider it real marriage. I know someone who did it and the girl got preg so not only didn't he get paid but he has child support payment now.I could have said it any better than that. That's what I been saying "you never mix business with pleasure". They are here with an agenda.

Mmlouie

02-12-09, 03:55

It is only difficult and lengthy if you do not know what you are doing, right now for k filling is 6 months and I filling is 1 year. Our attorney fees is not cheap, is more than your average joe immigration attorney. There will always be Joe blow out there selling you and you could believe in anything you want to believe in. A Fujian person will offer you 100k to get their daughter in here, can you do it? It is net money that counts, can you collect full at the end? If you don't, who are you going to call on to collect? My office guarantee funding 100%, how many Joe blow out there do that? With that said, we are extremely selective to who we work with. It takes time and effort to get this done professionally, if you are not willing to put in efforts and time. They could go to mikeb's guy.

If you have read all my previous posts, then you might understand why tourism did impacted the supply and demand to the fake marriage venture. Just to prove a point, my sz office have over 25 inquiries last year between Jan to July and I was only able to handle six. Do you know how many inquiries I received from Aug to this date? Two. Now I have supplies and no demands, and when I go back to those earlier inquires, none are interested. That sure looks like supply and demand to me.

Think what you think and believe what you want believe, it is a free country. I have plenty of happy clients, enough to keep me happy for the past four years for my China runs.Oh, btw, you do know that fujian have been blacklisted by the us, right?

Mike B

02-12-09, 04:36

George,

Part of it is cultural. It's very difficult for a lot of Chinese to communicate with westerners. The vast majority of Chinese girls can't converse in English, even if they're required to learn it in school. But it goes beyond language. Customs, traditions, family, etc. So even though a ton of girls may be interested in being with a foreigner, they don't pursue it because they have no idea how to do so.

This is different from fake marriages. The fake marriage girls can marry overseas Chinese who speak their language (often even the same local dialect), share the same customs, etc. Many of these marriages are pure business transactions, involving no sex or intimacy. They sleep in separate beds, take separate vacations, and so on. They do just enough to give fake answers to immigration (taking pictures together, etc.)

If there's any temporary drop in demand for fake marriages it's because the relative economic strength of China is rising vs. The West, not because of bogus side issues like an increase in tourist visas. A lot of Chinese think the economy in western countries is really bad right now.

But even then, 20 million Chinese lost their jobs just in the past few months. There are severe droughts in huge areas of the country. The number of girls who still would LOVE to meet a westerner and be financially taken cared of is massive. The demand will always outstrip supply.

I'm Asian myself so normally Chinese girls don't think of me too differently. But once they know my citizenship, many suddenly "want to know me" better, call me all the time promising to cook me dinner, make various suggestive hints, etc.

Again this is different from "fake marriage". They want to marry you for real, have kids, a nice house abroad, car, etc. For many marrying a foreigner is also an elevation of status among their friends, so there's a matter of pride. You know this when you start dating a Chinese girl and she "parades" you to all of her friends and family.

So if you got the right passport, it doesn't hurt to flaunt it.

But the biggest difficulty is language. Ideally you can learn enough spoken and written Chinese to meet girls online and offline. Otherwise you're restricted to the few who are comfortable enough to converse in English.

That's the investment in your part. The other option is to go through a "marriage broker" who will match you up with willing girls, for a price.

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SE Asia Joe

02-12-09, 05:49

It is only difficult and lengthy if you do not know what you are doing, right now for k filling is 6 months and I filling is 1 year. Our attorney fees is not cheap, is more than your average joe immigration attorney. There will always be Joe blow out there selling you and you could believe in anything you want to believe in. A Fujian person will offer you 100k to get their daughter in here, can you do it? It is net money that counts, can you collect full at the end? If you don't, who are you going to call on to collect? My office guarantee funding 100%, how many Joe blow out there do that? With that said, we are extremely selective to who we work with. It takes time and effort to get this done professionally, if you are not willing to put in efforts and time. They could go to mikeb's guy.

If you have read all my previous posts, then you might understand why tourism did impacted the supply and demand to the fake marriage venture. Just to prove a point, my sz office have over 25 inquiries last year between Jan to July and I was only able to handle six. Do you know how many inquiries I received from Aug to this date? Two. Now I have supplies and no demands, and when I go back to those earlier inquires, none are interested. That sure looks like supply and demand to me.

Think what you think and believe what you want believe, it is a free country. I have plenty of happy clients, enough to keep me happy for the past four years for my China runs.
Hey Mmlouie - thanks for clarifying it all .... a bit!!

Anyway, another question - and one that is probably quite relevant here:
Are you/your company in the China/U.S. immigration business?

Are you specializing in getting people in from China to the U.S.? And if so, what are the kind of visas you specialize in? i.e. tourist/short term stay/permament/Green Card/marriage/business etc Or do you handle all of them?

From your previous posts, I deduce that you are NOT immigration attorneys - but provide a service to facilitate immigration/visists to the U.S., and use/make referals to top of the line immigration attorneys. Is this correct?

Thanks
SEAJ

Mmlouie

02-12-09, 06:33

Hey Mmlouie - thanks for clarifying it all .... a bit!!

From your previous posts, I deduce that you are NOT immigration attorneys - but provide a service to facilitate immigration/visists to the U.S., and use/make referals to top of the line immigration attorneys. Is this correct?Well, I was not trying to clarifying anything to anyone. I wouldn't care less if anyone here believe me or not. As I have posted here before when Csun213 asked for my background; I said that I am part owner of two joined venture companies. I handles the offices in the Bay Area and my partner handle the office in gz and sz, that is all I am going to reveal. I have two full time attorneys on staff with one specialize in immigration. What I do on the side is my own business and no one elses.

You are a pretty smart fellow, I think you could figure the rest out yourself. If you want to know something in particular, you might want to use pm if you care to respect my privacy at all.

SE Asia Joe

02-12-09, 06:33

On that note, I know it is illegal, but I am looking for the double edge sword. I actually want an Asian wife. I spent time in Japan and Philapeans and met several girls. But who falls in love in a week? Not me. I know this is a mongering site and I am a current international monger and enjoy things. I just figured I would hit up these boards to see if anyone has a lead or a direction to point me in. The dating sites are merely impossible to deal with and I have tried them all. As a matter of fact dateinasia is a nice site to put a profile on and meet girls while in Philapeans and Japan. I'm sure it is good for China too. This is a mongering that you don't have to pay for. But they flock. Nonetheless. Can anyone help me out on the where to go for China girls that want to come to us? And better yet. The ones with familes that really wanna get the girl here?
George, Please note the following:

- The fake marriage racket is a highly organized - and dangerous criminal - undertaking (altho of course there are also informal/amateur arrangements) and involves

- WG's who want to come to a Western (better priced) market to continue their profession. Mafoos will arrange for the gals to come over, marry somebody and then be put out to work AND repay back the money to the mafoo - with a hefty profit margin

- Regular gals who just want the better prospects of a Western country will either need the looks/guiles to snare a foreigner (and these gals have got more cunning and are willing to do whatever is necessary to achieve such goals; so much so that I would say that most Westerners would be "No Match" for them and will end up heart broken, broke or both!) or those who do not have the looks (not many actually - as ALL Chinese women, to most western eyes, ARE beautiful!!) and will be so dog ugly that I'd think even you could not get it up! Yeah, they'd pay to marry you - but they will have so much debts to pay off - and you'd be be the "better" (deeper-pocketed) half by then!

These Chinese gals ain't no damn fools - they ain't gonna give "it" up AND pay YOU for the privilege!!

SEAJ
P.s. Philippines is the country, a gal from the Philippines is a Filipina or a Pina, whilst a guy is a Filipino or a Pinoy. And no, a bunch of them are NOT what you're thinkin'

SE Asia Joe

02-12-09, 08:41

Chinese Valentine day

For what it is worth; it was yesterday, the 9th.

Sorry.... and please note I am NOT picking on you or flaming you etc. I just want to point out that Feb 9 was NOT the Chinese Valentine Day; That date marked the end of the Chinese New Year celebration period (No more Red Packets required!!) as it is the 15th day of 1st month of the New Year.

Chinese Valentine's day (an equivalence of but a bit of a misnomer - we ain't got no Saint Valentine in China!!) falls on the 7th day of the 7th Lunar month which will be August 20 this year. The legend is that on this is the day, the 7th daughter of The Goddes of Heaven is allowed to be re-united with her Cowherd lover on a bridge of magpies.

BTW - the 7th day of the chinese New year is Yan Yat or Ren Ji = Everybody's birthday!

SEAJ

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02-12-09, 12:10

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Wadman

02-12-09, 16:14

Woooow! What knowledge about China culture and history. I am impressed. Having said that, you will still treat the girls in CP and give them little Valentine day's presents when you see them on Sunday.

Sorry.... and please note I am NOT picking on you or flaming you etc. I just want to point out that Feb 9 was NOT the Chinese Valentine Day; That date marked the end of the Chinese New Year celebration period (No more Red Packets required!!) as it is the 15th day of 1st month of the New Year.

Chinese Valentine's day (an equivalence of but a bit of a misnomer - we ain't got no Saint Valentine in China!!) falls on the 7th day of the 7th Lunar month which will be August 20 this year. The legend is that on this is the day, the 7th daughter of The Goddes of Heaven is allowed to be re-united with her Cowherd lover on a bridge of magpies.

BTW - the 7th day of the chinese New year is Yan Yat or Ren Ji = Everybody's birthday!

SEAJ

Mmlouie

02-12-09, 16:15

Sorry.... and please note I am NOT picking on you or flaming you etc. I just want to point out that Feb 9 was NOT the Chinese Valentine Day;

SEAJOh really? Maybe you should be the one to reply to all my gfs in China that why I did not take special notice to them on that day. I received 6 ecards on that day for Chinese valentine day. Mr. SEAJ.

Btw, even the China florist I normally deal with email me a reminder on that same day.

Wadman

02-12-09, 21:43

Oh really? Maybe you should be the one to reply to all my gfs in China that why I did not take special notice to them on that day. I received 6 ecards on that day for Chinese valentine day. Mr. SEAJ.

Feb 9, 2009 was NOT Valentine's day (Chinese, or not). Feb 9 was Lantern festival in China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_Festival

How do I know? Got a couple of SMSs from KTV girls, hehe. Yes, maybe some of you guys got one too, but too bad you couldn't read it, boohoo. The Chinese name is 元宵节 = Yuan2 Xiao1 Jie2.

And the Chinese version/equivalent of Valentine's day is indeed in August this year. Western holidays are barely celebrated in China. Even major ones like Christmas and new year's pass without much notice by the Chinese population in general.

Btw, even the China florist I normally deal with email me a reminder on that same day.

Well, I would too if I were your florist. See if I can get that dumb laowai/ABC to order more flowers by telling him it's Chinese Valentine's.

Mmlouie

02-12-09, 21:57

Feb 9, 2009 was NOT Valentine's day (Chinese, or not). Feb 9 was Lantern festival in China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_Festival

How do I know? Got a couple of SMSs from KTV girls, hehe. Yes, maybe some of you guys got one too, but too bad you couldn't read it, boohoo. The Chinese name is Yuan2 Xiao1 Jie2.

And the Chinese version/equivalent of Valentine's day is indeed in August this year. Western holidays are barely celebrated in China. Even major ones like Christmas and new year's pass without much notice by the Chinese population in general.

Well, I would too if I were you florist. See if I can get that dumb laowai/ABC to order more flowers by telling him it's Chinese Valentine's.Yo, I don't know you and I certainly do not appreciate you refer me as "dumb".

Just for your information, I speak perfect Cantonese and Putonghua and I could even read and write Chinese. So you could say all you want, when my gfs said it is . . . then it is. Call me a romantic if you like. Maybe thats what separate us, I don't need a reason to be romantic and I don't need a reason to be nice.

Mmlouie

02-12-09, 22:04

Feb 9, 2009 was NOT Valentine's day (Chinese, or not). Feb 9 was Lantern festival in China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_Festival

Btw, not that I am not going to start debating with you about Feb 9th but could I assume that you know how wikipedia work? You do know, right?

Just in case you dont know: Wikipedia's greatest strengths, weaknesses, and differences all arise because it is open to anyone, it has a large contributor base, and its articles are written by consensus, according to editorial guidelines and policies.

or maybe you should read Criticism of Wikipedia and why wikipedia is not so great under: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great

SE Asia Joe

02-13-09, 05:28

Oh really? Maybe you should be the one to reply to all my gfs in China that why I did not take special notice to them on that day. I received 6 ecards on that day for Chinese valentine day. Mr. SEAJ.

Btw, even the China florist I normally deal with email me a reminder on that same day.

Hey MmLouie - I've made it a point to relay to you that I had NOT and of course am NOT trying to flame you or anything at all. But if you still feel offended, then of course I apologize to you. sorry man - and peace!!

The only motive I have in quoting/replying to your postings is to clarify what exactly you say as well as to correct any wrong information. And the reason is that there are a LOT of mongers/prospective china visitors out there who do RTFF and who do note and follow details offered on these pages. I would think that George Sims is probably a good example one such individual.

Let me repeat - again - Mr. MmLouie: Sorry and Peace!

SEAJ

Mmlouie

02-13-09, 05:28

If there's any temporary drop in demand for fake marriages it's because the relative economic strength of China is rising vs. The West, not because of bogus side issues like an increase in tourist visas. Now that is the dumbest comment I have heard so far and without any facts backing that up. Lets see, the tourist filling inquires have increased by over 250% in our China offices since last September. Wonder why? Maybe you couldn't figure out that a lot of people skip away once they arrive in the us? I am sure that uscis could give you some numbers on that as well.

We have to hired 4 extra people to handle all the extra inquires. I've also been approached by the tour companies for some joined-venture business within the states. Yes, China tourist business is blooming but not only in the us. It is everywhere else. Now, that is solid facts.

SE Asia Joe

02-13-09, 05:37

Feb 9, 2009 was NOT Valentine's day (Chinese, or not). Feb 9 was Lantern festival in China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_Festival

Well, I would too if I were your florist. See if I can get that dumb laowai/ABC to order more flowers by telling him it's Chinese Valentine's.

Actuallly..... it is quite understandable why Mmlouie would think that Feb 9 was the Chinese Valentine's day. As Wadman points out, China's businesses has adopted - and twisted and turned and shaped - any and all reasons /traditions to further their enterprise.

I would think that Feb 9 was one such occassion - as pointed out as a side-note (as C+P here) in the same Wikipedia article - when Chinese businessmen turned the day into another promotional excuse by referring to it as Valentines' day - and Mmlouie got thoroughly convinced about its veracity.:

Another legend associates the Lantern Festival with Taoism. Tianguan is the Taoist god responsible for good fortune. His birthday falls on the 15th day of the first lunar month. It is said that Tianguan likes all types of entertainment. So followers prepare various kinds of activities during which they pray for good fortune.

Young people were chaperoned in the streets in hopes of finding love. Matchmakers acted busily in hopes of pairing couples. The brightest lanterns were symbolic of good luck and hope. As time has progressed, however, the festival no longer has such implications.

Those who do not carry lanterns often enjoy watching informal lantern parades. In addition to eating tangyuan (simplified Chinese: 汤圆; traditional Chinese: 湯圓; pinyin: tāngyuán), another popular activity at this festival is guessing lantern riddles (which became part of the festival during the Tang Dynasty), which often contain messages of good fortune, family reunion, abundant harvest, prosperity and love.

SEAJ

Mmlouie

02-13-09, 05:44

Hey MmLouie - I've made it a point to relay to you that I had NOT and of course am NOT trying to flame you or anything at all. But if you still feel offended, then of course I apologize to you. sorry man - and peace!I was not offended by your posting at all. It seems that you have priority in getting your posting up before anyone else somehow, and usually my reply or post does not get up until a day after. And then you get a "dumb" remark posting by Wadman. Sure, I am offended but it is still all good! I choose to surround myself with positive people, positive energy and influences, all the others with negative energy I do not have time for.

But since you are apologizing, I humbly accept. There are things I know that I should not be revealing in public forum so therefore, I do not want to go into detail of the subject. People pay me for answers so why should I give it away for free, I have no problem helping out someone who is genuine appreciative of my assistance for free, it is certainly different when someone who do not have any clue on exactly how things work refer you as ignorant.

Mmlouie

02-13-09, 05:54

Actuallly..... it is quite understandable why Mmlouie would think that Feb 9 was the Chinese Valentine's day. As Wadman points out, China's businesses has adopted - and twisted and turned and shaped - any and all reasons /traditions to further their enterprise.

I would think that Feb 9 was one such occassion - as pointed out as a side-note (as C+P here) in the same Wikipedia article - when Chinese businessmen turned the day into another promotional excuse by referring to it as Valentines' day - and Mmlouie got thoroughly convinced about its veracity.:

SEAJLook, I appreciated SEAJ explanation on my behalf. Since my posting never get up here until 24 hours later. Anyway; I wouldn't care less about what day feb 9 is, really. The only reason I even mentioned it is because of all the "how insensitive" notes I was getting from my gfs in China and just really wanted to past it on as a good gesture.

Again; call me a romantic or whatever you want but when my girls tells me it is valentine day, then it is. You do not need an occasion to celebrate, a certain day to be valentine day, a reason to sent flowers or a reason to be nice. War have started with less than that, people been killed for less than that. Why dont we have more love and pussy instead. Lets celebrate!

SE Asia Joe

02-13-09, 08:26

SEAJ
P.s. Philippines is the country, a gal from the Philippines is a Filipina or a Pina, whilst a guy is a Filipino or a Pinoy. And no, a bunch of them are NOT what you're thinkin'
Errrr.... I stand corrected - it is Pinay and not Pina.

Come on you guys - I'm writing to.....myself!! Getting boring!!

And NO NO NO - Mmlouie's anger at me is NOT really welcome even if I am bored at nobody else writing!!!

So PLEASE Mmlouie - don't ge so pxxsed off at us - and keep on writing!! OK??!! Please?

Thanks

SEAJ

Wadman

02-13-09, 10:22

Btw, not that I am not going to start debating with you about Feb 9th but could I assume that you know how wikipedia work? You do know, right?

Just in case you dont know: Wikipedia's greatest strengths, weaknesses, and differences all arise because it is open to anyone, it has a large contributor base, and its articles are written by consensus, according to editorial guidelines and policies.

or maybe you should read Criticism of Wikipedia and why wikipedia is not so great under: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great

True, I agree that Wikipedia's accuracy is sometimes debatable. A quick Google search however yields plenty of other sources. Yes, I am assuming you know how to Google too, which makes it all the more stranger as to why we are having this debate.

But NY Post says http://www.nypost.com/photos/galleries/news/worldnews/pp_20090205_day_in_photos/photo17.htm: "The Lantern Festival is the last day of the Chinese New Year and falls on February 9 this year."

Enclyclopedia Brittannica http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1090618/Lantern-Festival : "... on the 15th day of the first month (Yuan) of the lunar calendar"

Xinhua news (Chinese news network) http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/09/content_10788887.htm : "The Chinese traditional Lantern Festival will fall on the 15th day of the first month on the Chinese lunar calendar, or Feb. 9 this year."

Mmlouie

02-13-09, 16:55

Yes, I am assuming you know how to Google too, which makes it all the more stranger as to why we are having this debate.Maybe you should read your own posting again, or did you even read posting #1286 or #1280? Just to refresh your memory, you quoted with wikipedia and nothing else. It does look pretty silly after the fact now, isn't it?

Yes, I google but you do know what google is? Right? A search engine for what? To a web page created by someone that might or might not have the correct information? It is like quicksand isn't it? And you starting to sound like as the Cantonese put in "fall down on the ground and claim you are just grabbing for sand". But I did see you are starting to do some research and get some real information from real sources. Now who is looking like the real dumb axs?

Hey, I used to live in the East Coast so I could jarred with the best. So bring it on and I will go 15 with you, but bring your best game and a no-host bar.

i think you should carry around your encyclopedia and newspaper clippings to challenges the girls, that will be a great conversation starter. At least SEAJ have class, manup.

Wadman

02-13-09, 21:35

Maybe you should read your own posting again, or did you even read posting #1286 or #1280? Just to refresh your memory, you quote wikipedia and nothing else. It does look pretty silly after the fact, isn't it?

Wikipedia is wrong at times, but is correct most of the time. In this case, regarding Feb 9, Wikipedia is correct. You needed more evidence, and I provided it.

Yes, I google but you do know what google is? Right? A search engine for. To a webpage created by someone that might or might not have the correct information? It is like quicksand isn't it? And you starting to sound like as the Cantonese put in "fall down on the ground and claim you are grabbing for sand". But I did see you are starting to do some research and get some real information from real sources. Now who is really the dumb axs?

I have provided real, concrete evidence from reputable sources. You? I guess what you are trying to say is that you know better than New York Post, Encyclopedia Britannica and Xinhua news... combined.

May I ask what evidence you have provided to support your point; that Feb 9 was Chinese Valentine?

Hey, I used to live in the East Coast and I could jar with the best. So bring it on and I could go 15 with you, but bring your best game and no host bar.

You are deviating and prevaricating from the original point, which is February 9, 2009. That's what people do once they have lost the argument and have nothing else to offer.

Once more: February 9, 2009 was NOT Valentine's day (Chinese or Western version). It was Lantern Festival.

So bring it on and I could go 15 with you, but bring your best game and no host bar.

"no host bar"??? Do you perhaps mean "no holds barred"? Seems like your English could use some work as well.

Mmlouie

02-13-09, 21:39

Wikipedia is wrong at times, but is correct most of the time. In this case, regarding Feb 9, Wikipedia is correct. You needed more evidence, and I provided it.

I have provided real, concrete evidence from reputable sources. You? I guess what you are trying to say is that you know better than New York Post, Encyclopedia Britannica and Xinhua news... combined.

You are deviating and prevaricating from the original point, which is February 9, 2009. That's what people do once they have lost the argument and have nothing else to offer.

Once more: February 9, 2009 was NOT Valentine's day (Chinese or Western version). It was Lantern Festival.

"no host bar"??? Do you perhaps mean "no holds barred"? Seems like your English could use some work as well.Son, I think you should trying reading all the posts again. Btw, I know six year old that can jarred better than you. "Dead chicken poking on rice pot lid"

Mmlouie

02-13-09, 21:43

Wikipedia is wrong at times, but is correct most of the time. In this case, regarding Feb 9, Wikipedia is correct. You needed more evidence, and I provided it.

I have provided real, concrete evidence from reputable sources. You? I guess what you are trying to say is that you know better than New York Post, Encyclopedia Britannica and Xinhua news.combined.

You are deviating and prevaricating from the original point, which is February 9, 2009. That's what people do once they have lost the argument and have nothing else to offer.

Once more: February 9, 2009 was NOT Valentine's day (Chinese or Western version). It was Lantern Festival.

"no host bar"? Do you perhaps mean "no holds barred"? Seems like your English could use some work as well. Take a real deep breath and read my post word by word, read it twice if you need to. You also have you handy encyclopedia book with you and if you do not understand, you could refer to it at any time. Or better yet, you could call a friend, or take 50-50 choice or even ask the audience.

Then go back and read your post and see if it make sense. Man, it is like quicksand again. Huh? It just get deeper and deeper.

Mmlouie

02-13-09, 21:56

"no host bar"??? Do you perhaps mean "no holds barred"? Seems like your English could use some work as well.I stand correct and no, I do mean "no-host bar". I guess you don't know what jarring and no-host bar means either? And it is not a container to hold things in either. It is like a nightmare, isn't it?

Csun213

02-14-09, 02:13

Since all the debate on Chinese Valentine's day, I thought I would just post up the information.

Chinese Valentine's Day is on the 7th day of the 7th lunar month in the Chinese calendar. A love story for this day is about the 7th daughter of Emperor of Heaven and an orphaned cowherd. The Emperor separated them. The 7th daughter was forced to move to the star Vega and the cowherd moved to the star Altair. They are allowed to meet only once a year on the day of 7th day of 7th lunar month.

The story began from the good-looking poor orphaned boy living with his elder brother and sister-in-law. After his parents past away, his brother inherited the house and the land. The boy owned an old ox. He needed to work on the farm's field with the ox everyday. So he was called a cowherd. His daily life was just like in a Cinderella story.

Mmlouie

02-14-09, 02:19

Mmlouie

02-14-09, 02:23

Since all the debate on Chinese Valentine's day, I thought I would just post up the information.Actually the debate went on to Wikipedia, Google, New York Post, Encyclopedia Britannica, Xinhua news, jarring, no-host bar. But since Wadman does not know the meaning of jarring and no-host bar, I have to wait for him to do his research first. Sorry to make you wait.

Le Grand

02-14-09, 02:36

... Chinese Valentine's Day is on the 7th day of the 7th lunar month in the Chinese calendar.

While, culturally, Chinese may have its own Valentine day, the merchants are not going to miss a trick and push the US valentine day as well in order to make a buck. So, I was not surprised when a chinese pro I had been doing regularly whenever I am in Shanghai had hinted at Valentine present.

I guess it is similar to Christmas which is not exactly a traditional Chinese holiday nor is the concept of engagment rings. For that matter, back in good old USofA I think father's day, mother's day, secretary's day etc. are all cooked up by marketeers.

Mmlouie

02-14-09, 02:49

Csun213

02-14-09, 04:46

Mmlouie

02-14-09, 04:52

The debate was whether Chinese Valentine's day was on Feb 9th.

This was what started the debate.

Originally Posted by Mmlouie
Chinese Valentine day

For what it is worth; it was yesterday, the 9th.Read all my posts, I guess you people have a hard time understanding my posts. Read before you comment!

SE Asia Joe

02-14-09, 06:11

Oh wow - I seem to have started something not so good here....
And since this is so, I guess I am sort of duty bound to try to calm things down.

First of first guys.... PEACE, PEACE!! Lets not get so upset about such a small matters.

Mmlouie - It's perfectly understandable that you would think that Feb 9 was Chinese Valentine's day as I guess you - and alongside scores of others - would have fallen victim to China's retailers' marketing tricks/ploy/chicanery etc to grab on to anything at all to market their goods/services.

Wadman - Yes, you are of course correct - but I would suggest that it is NOT in keeping with your usual helpful and generous with information nature - never mind your usual even tempered and gentle nature - for you to be provoked and retaliate etc.

Guys - lets call it a truce - howzabout it? and get back to more sharing of info etc. OK? Peace??

Regards
SEAJ

Csun213

02-14-09, 06:42

Hi SE Asia Joe, I was not trying to start anything but was just trying to be helpful with the information. Sorry if it was taken the wrong way.

I agree with getting back to girl business since I won't be able to get to China for a while therefore have to have my fun through reading about your reports.

Mmlouie

02-14-09, 07:04

Mmlouie - It's perfectly understandable that you would think that Feb 9 was Chinese Valentine's day as I guess you - and alongside scores of others - would have fallen victim to China's retailers' marketing tricks / ploy / chicanery etc to grab on to anything at all to market their goods/services.Just how many times do I need to repeat myself that I do not give a crab about Feb 9th? I was given a hard time by my gfs in China saying that I was not paying attention to their special holidays, that is why I past it along. If none of you think it is not, that you simply could just ignore it. I am sure that there are other girls in China thinks the same way, I was told at one point that China have two Valentine Day. I thought it was a great gesture but no. This is the third time I am saying this, there should be no reason to be nice, or to celebrate, or to send flowers. How hard is that to understand? If I am wrong, then I am.

As to my beef with Wadman, I am sure that he is a nice person to you all but I don't know him and he does not know me. He crosses the line when he refer me as "dumb" without even knowing me. But if it was a mistake on his part, then manup and apologize. I will be over it in a heartbeat.

Btw; jarring is a urban lingo, no-host bar is simply mean cash bar. Now go put them together and figure it out.

Wadman

02-14-09, 07:29

Hey, I used to live in the East Coast and I could jar with the best. So bring it on and I could go 15 with you, but bring your best game and no host bar.

I stand correct and no, I do mean "no-host bar". I guess you don't know what jarring and no-host bar means either? And it is not a container to hold things in either. It is like a nightmare, isn't it?

You seem to be inviting me to a fight, a boxing match (15 rounds no less!) Difficult to know for sure with your use of English. "jar" should be "spar" then.

A "no host bar" is a cash bar for drinks. What that has to do with boxing, sparring, fighting is beyond me. It's like the rest of your logic and posts, all twisted and convoluted.

Actually the debate went on to Wikipedia, Google, New York Post, Encyclopedia Britannica, Xinhua news, jarring, no-host bar. But since Wadman does not know the meaning of jarring and no-host bar, I have to wait for him to do his research first. Sorry to make you wait.

The debate was never about the above sources. I used them to support my claims, nothing more. You made an issue out of them because you have nothing else to say.

Mmlouie

02-14-09, 07:41

You seem to be inviting me to a fight, a boxing match (15 rounds no less!) Difficult to know for sure with your use of English. "jar" should be "spar" then.Well, I guess you really dont know what jarred and jarring means. Thought you would have look it up by now. Now try; http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jarred.

Me, I don't fight. I don't need to, I am a lover. There are other people that does that in a heartbeat.

Manup!

Mmlouie

02-14-09, 07:42

You seem to be inviting me to a fight, a boxing match (15 rounds no less!) Difficult to know for sure with your use of English. "jar" should be "spar" then.Well, I guess you really dont know what jarred and jarring means. Thought you would have look it up by now. Now try; urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jarred.

Me, I don't fight. I don't need to, I am a lover. There are other people that does that in a heartbeat.

Manup!

Wadman

02-14-09, 08:25

While, culturally, Chinese may have its own Valentine day, the merchants are not going to miss a trick and push the US valentine day as well in order to make a buck. So, I was not surprised when a chinese pro I had been doing regularly whenever I am in Shanghai had hinted at Valentine present.

Something similar happened to me at a foot massage place yesterday. This was a repeat girl, I have had her do a footie before. Less than 1 minute after we were in the room, the girl goes: "Tomorrow is Valentine's day! You do know that tomorrow is Valentine's day, right?" She was obviously fishing for something: a tip, or "buy her some hours" (= you pay for the hours, but don't receive any service, the girl gets credit and pay for those hours).

Well, I told her that Today's Valentine is the Western Valentine. Doesn't really exist in China. She should "Ai4 Guo2" (love her country) more, and not celebrate those imperialists' holidays. She didn't mention Valentine's day after that.

Note: before you think I am cheap, I do give out HongBao's (red packets) for Chinese New year. But one has to draw the line somewhere, and not "celebrate" both sets of holidays.

SE Asia Joe

02-14-09, 09:02

Something similar happened to me at a foot massage place yesterday. This was a repeat girl, I have had her do a footie before. Less than 1 minute after we were in the room, the girl goes: "Tomorrow is Valentine's day! You do know that tomorrow is Valentine's day, right?" She was obviously fishing for something: a tip, or "buy her some hours" (= you pay for the hours, but don't receive any service, the girl gets credit and pay for those hours).

Well, I told her that Today's Valentine is the Western Valentine. Doesn't really exist in China. She should "Ai4 Guo2" (love her country) more, and not celebrate those imperialists' holidays. She didn't mention Valentine's day after that.

Note: before you think I am cheap, I do give out HongBao's (red packets) for Chinese New year. But one has to draw the line somewhere, and not "celebrate" both sets of holidays.
Welllll - OF COURSE this gal would have tried to hit you up. Your reputation as a BSD - AND A regular one at that - preceeds you everywhere.

And all 'em bulging red packets you were showering out - Good God Man - what did ya expect?! Especially when you give your huge HungBao right after I had just given MY GAL my lousy RMB5 or 10 ones!!

Errrr.... did she give you a lousy footie after you insulted her for being less than a stellar Chinese patriot??

SEAj

Wadman

02-14-09, 09:17

Welllll - OF COURSE this gal would have tried to hit you up. Your reputation as a BSD - AND A regular one at that - preceeds you everywhere.

Well, well, talk about the pot calling the kettle...

And all 'em bulging red packets you were showering out - Good God Man - what did ya expect?! Especially when you give your huge HungBao right after I had just given MY GAL my lousy RMB5 or 10 ones!!

5 rmb in a hongbao, now that's being a cheapskate. Did any of the girls return your hongbao after they found out how much was in it?

Errrr.... did she give you a lousy footie after you insulted her for being less than a stellar Chinese patriot??

No, she is the friendliest and one of the most playful gals I have found in that place. Funny too. Which is why I repeat with her. Her attitude was fine afterwards. She did get a bit of a freebie due to the fact that I had to cut the second hour short because I had to meet up with some friends.

SE Asia Joe

02-14-09, 10:40

5 rmb in a hongbao, now that's being a cheapskate. Did any of the girls return your hongbao after they found out how much was in it?

.

No - none of them returned it to me.

But you didn't ask if any of them threw it back at me did you?

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand

02-15-09, 03:49

Just how many times do I need to repeat myself that I do not give a crab about Feb 9th? I was given a hard time by my gfs in China saying that I was not paying attention to their special holidays, that is why I past it along. If none of you think it is not, that you simply could just ignore it. I am sure that there are other girls in China thinks the same way, I was told at one point that China have two Valentine Day. I thought it was a great gesture but no. This is the third time I am saying this, there should be no reason to be nice, or to celebrate, or to send flowers. How hard is that to understand? If I am wrong, then I am.

As to my beef with Wadman, I am sure that he is a nice person to you all but I don't know him and he does not know me. He crosses the line when he refer me as "dumb" without even knowing me. But if it was a mistake on his part, then manup and apologize. I will be over it in a heartbeat.

Btw; jarring is a urban lingo, no-host bar is simply mean cash bar. Now go put them together and figure it out.

Mmlouie,

With all due respect, I must say that I am also confused with your posts sometimes. I must agree with Wadman about your use of the English language. I suspect that English is not your mother tongue. Am I correct?

In the post quoted above, I can find numerous spelling and grammatical mistakes. For example, crab vs. crap, past vs. passed, the use of have/has, think/thinks and refer/refers in a singular and plural context, double negatives, and sentence structure.

Now I don't expect every member of this board to write perfect English, and, I encourage posting regardless of English competence, however, one should accept their limitations when they are not completely understood and clarify when possible rather than flame others for not understanding them and bragging about their urban vocabulary.

Just my POV.

OAH

Mmlouie

02-15-09, 04:22

With all due respect, I must say that I am also confused with your posts sometimes. I must agree with Wadman about your use of the English language. I suspect that English is not your mother tongue. Am I correct?I did promised someone that I am going to contain myself and to give him face. Let see, you are wrong. You do sounded like my old English teacher back in grade school though but since you ask, I am going to tell you; I lived in the states for over 43 years. I earned two degree aboard (either one of them is English). I speak French, Italian, Chinese (both cantonese and putonghua) and some conversation Spanish. I have traveled and lived all over the world and yes, English is my native tongue but I never claimed that I could write in perfect English. I will be broke if I have to write my own business correspondences and fortunately my assistance does all that for me. Come to think of it, maybe I should have her proof read first before posting.

All my past experiences have taught me to be humble on the street and at the same time tough inside the corporate boardroom, I could handle myself in the ghetto and at the same time in the top Exec floor as well. I have vast business experiences range from being the bottom feeder to top of the food chain. People do not pay me to write, they pay me for my advices.

Does that answer your questions? I would love to get into more detail with you, but I did promised someone that I will refrained myself from making any more further comments. Besides, today is VDay and I have a big evening ahead of me. And yes, I do have a life.

To the person that I have promised, I am doing my best. But the pit bulls just keep on coming! What am I to do? You can't really fault me if I break down, can you?

Old Mean Dog

02-15-09, 07:37

Ethnicity does not equal knowledge, so please stop putting down other mongers or justifying your own opinions because you or anyone else is of a certain race.

Enough said.

-CPE

Mmlouie

02-15-09, 08:06

Enough said.

-CPENow, now, children!

Maddog40

02-15-09, 14:02

I did promised someone that I am going to contain myself and to give him face. Let see, you are wrong. You do sounded like my old English teacher back in grade school though but since you ask, I am going to tell you; I lived in the states for over 43 years. I earned two degree aboard (either one of them is English). I speak French, Italian, Chinese (both cantonese and putonghua) and some conversation Spanish. I have traveled and lived all over the world and yes, English is my native tongue but I never claimed that I could write in perfect English. I will be broke if I have to write my own business correspondences and fortunately my assistance does all that for me. Come to think of it, maybe I should have her proof read first before posting.

Hey Mmlouie,
I have sat on the sidelines reading your diatribe the past couple of weeks (at least it seems that long). The guys you are bickering with (CPE, SEJ, OAH, Wadman) have been stalwarts in contributing to this forum. I have been reading their posts for more than a year and although them may bring up opinions or viewpoints, it has always been done with respect to the other members.

Your latest posts, on the other hand, seems to want to prove someone wrong at their expense or loft yourself above others. Your last post quoted above, reminds me of a saying my Uncle would tell me. "If you live your life you won't have to tell other about it." Hey, I may be way off and I know you didn't ask for it, it's just my feedback.

MD40

Mmlouie

02-15-09, 17:39

Hey Mmlouie,

Your latest posts, on the other hand, seems to want to prove someone wrong at their expense or loft yourself above others. Your last post quoted above, reminds me of a saying my Uncle would tell me. "If you live your life you won't have to tell other about it." Hey, I may be way off and I know you didn't ask for it, it's just my feedback.

MD40By no means I was bolstering about myself, that was only just a small glimpse of my resume.

One guy here once told me that this is just the internet. I must say, he is right. So please lighten up all of you and don’t take it so seriously, it is just a computer screen with letters and words. One thing for sure, I have certainly have made your lives much more interesting by letting you guys using me as a punching bag. Seriously, didn’t I? Didn’t I get some of you running toward your screen and complied to flame me? It is all for the fun of it and it is all good and I didn’t take anything personally. Gee, who you guys going to use to kick around when I am gone on my business trip next month? But as Arnold said "I'll be back".

A wise man once told me "Just put yourself out there and you will be remembered, and the character of a man will be judged by his actions rather than in his words".

Red Rock II

02-15-09, 20:45

Dear Mmlouie,

Please stop fighting. The more you write, the more it shows your character. Yes, you may live in the States for more than 43 yrs, you may earn multiple degrees and be a multi-language speaker... but, it does not make those mis-spelled words right.

On this board, people earn their respect by posting genuine good/bad experience, by providing useful information, by making sincere comments and advices...

Peace!

RR

Mmlouie

02-15-09, 21:15

Dear Mmlouie,

Please stop fighting. The more you write, the more it shows your character. Yes, you may live in the States for more than 43 yrs, you may earn multiple degrees and be a multi-language speaker... but, it does not make those mis-spelled words right.Thank you Red Rock II! You are absolutely right, and I did stop.

I did promised someone on this board that I would but then it started all over again by someone. Not me, I promised. "Zip" is the last word from me if no one else jumps in.

Mmlouie

Maddog40

02-15-09, 23:24

Hi Mmlouie,

I forgot to mention that with all of your language qualifications, I think I can get you an interview as a tout on Nanging Dong Lu. Just let me know.

(just bustin' your balls)

MD40

Wadman

02-15-09, 23:32

I lived in the states for over 43 years. I earned two degree aboard (either one of them is English).

Simply Amazing.

You should sue the school/institution. Or someone should sue them anyway.

I speak French, Italian, Chinese (both cantonese and putonghua) and some conversation Spanish.

This reminds me of that old joke of being illiterate in 6 languages.

Bnlee2

02-15-09, 23:44

Simply Amazing.

You should sue the school/institution. Or someone should sue them anyway.

This reminds me of that old joke of being illiterate in 6 languages.Hey guys,

Lets not bash each other. Lets get back to the main subject of trading information, posting accurate reports and back to hunting for some good prime pussy. Almost year round 'ho hunting, that is what i like about China.

As quoted my Rodney King (the guy that got bashed up by the LAPD)" can't we all get along".

Will be back in early May for some serious hunting, first round of drinks are on me.

Wadman

02-15-09, 23:55

In Post #1291 http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=847264&postcount=1291 you write:

Hey, I used to live in the East Coast so I could jarred with the best. So bring it on and I will go 15 with you, but bring your best game and a no-host bar.

And lately:

Well, I guess you really dont know what jarred and jarring means. Thought you would have look it up by now. Now try; http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jarred.

Sigh... not that we need any more evidence, but I clicked on the link and urbandictionary.com says:

1. jarred
high on jar (dope) and cant talk
"i'm fucking jarred"

2. jarred
When someone is jarred, they are a little 'pissed off' or 'Angry' or 'not being happy about something'
"I lost my phone yesterday, I'm jarred"
"Don't talk to me right now, you're jarring me"
"I should've placed a bet on England winning yesterday, I would've made a hundered pounds. The feeling is so jarring"

Both explanations illustrate that you are using "jarred" wrongly.

Me, I don't fight. I don't need to, I am a lover. There are other people that does that in a heartbeat.

Yeah, see that comment from you in Post #1291

Mmlouie

02-16-09, 00:14

Hi Mmlouie,

I forgot to mention that with all of your language qualifications, I think I can get you an interview as a tout on Nanging Dong Lu. Just let me know.

(just bustin' your balls)

MD40Hmm, quite interesting job offer Maddog40 but I think I will keep my job as a doorman at the Howard Johnson. Tips are pretty good.

Thanks anyway.

Mmlouie

Mmlouie

02-16-09, 00:20

In Post #1291 http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=847264&postcount=1291 you write:A pretty good one, and I am feeling all the love. It makes me all tinkling inside.

To the person I made the promise to; See, it is not me. But I am still going to the better person.

Mmlouie

Csun213

02-16-09, 02:46

Simply Amazing.

You should sue the school/institution. Or someone should sue them anyway.

This reminds me of that old joke of being illiterate in 6 languages.

This is the INTERNET where anyone can say anything. For example, I can say I speak 150 different language, have more money than Bill Gates since I own 200 of the 500 Fortune companies. The point is it doesn't mean anything here.

OldAsiaHand

02-16-09, 06:22

I earned two degree aboard (either one of them is English).

Mmlouie,

I did not realize that they offered college degrees on ships. It would be a very interesting concept of higher education though.

Are you trying to say "neither one of them was in" or "both of them were in"?

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. I extend my humble apologies, I could not help myself. I promise. I will waste no more bandwidth on this.

Mmlouie

02-16-09, 08:02

Mmlouie,

I did not realize that they offered college degrees on ships. It would be a very interesting concept of higher education though.Hey, how did you guess? Hop Sing University, you heard about that school too? Yes sir, a degree on washboard and a master degree on hand drying. Was working on my third but couldn't pass the "no tickee no laundry" course. man, i was so bummed.

Finally, someone with a good sense of humor. Ah, is all worth it. Now I am starting to feel like being in Jersey again.

Mmlouie

Mmlouie

02-16-09, 08:13

Mmlouie,

I did not realize that they offered college degrees on ships. It would be a very interesting concept of higher education though.Hey OAH, actually I lie. I got both of them along with my SS card on 16th and Mission Street at $35 each, it is a pretty good deal. Also heard that Green Cards are available as well. Anybody need one, I could hook you up.

Mmlouie

Wadman

02-16-09, 13:58

A pretty good one, and I am feeling all the love. It makes me all tinkling inside.

"Tingling" Mmlouie, "tingling feeling". Not "tinkling". Unless you have a few screws loose inside, then it would indeed be a "tinkling" sound.

Nighthawk55

02-16-09, 17:09

Mmlouie,

I did not realize that they offered college degrees on ships. It would be a very interesting concept of higher education though.

Are you trying to say "neither one of them was in" or "both of them were in"?

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. I extend my humble apologies, I could not help myself. I promise. I will waste no more bandwidth on this.The iPhone makes substitutions like this all the time, so it MIGHT not be his fault.

Old Mean Dog

02-17-09, 04:41

The iPhone makes substitutions like this all the time, so it MIGHT not be his fault.

So does the uneducated human brain, but hey, this is the internet and like Csun said; We can all be who we wanna be on here.

Now, if you will excusez-moi (I speak French), I need to hop into my Lamborghini and get over to my penthouse, as I have a dozen Chinese honeys waiting to be serviced.

-CPE

French Fries, French Maid, French Toast, French Dressing...damn, I'm so smart!

Intransit

02-18-09, 04:10

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090217/120177026-print.html

Chinese tycoon's best-mistress contest takes tragic turn

17/02/2009 11:44 MOSCOW, February 17 (RIA Novosti) - A bizarre best-mistress competition held by a local tycoon in eastern China ended with one of the women driving him and her four rivals off a cliff, the Shanghai Daily said on Tuesday.

The woman was killed, while her four rivals and the businessman were injured in the incident, which took place in the Shandong Province on December 6.

The details behind the crash came to light after the parents of the 29-year-old dead woman, only identified as Yu, handed over to police a letter that she had written.

In her letter she said had been one of five mistresses kept by a married Chinese businessman, identified only by his surname, Fan, since 2000. All the five knew about each other, but chose not to break up the relationship as they received a monthly allowance of 5,000 yuan ($733) and a rent-free apartment.

"The businessman was going to lay off four of his five mistresses due to financial troubles," the paper said. "The women were allowed to vie for the remaining position by competing on their looks, their singing and speaking and their ability to drink alcohol."

The man decided to organize a closed pageant to select the best of the five and even invited an instructor from a modeling agency to help him with his choice. Yu was knocked out of the first round of the competition.

"When Fan told Yu she had lost her position and he was selling her apartment, she decided to take revenge," the newspaper said.

She invited the businessman and the four other mistresses on a mountain trip and drove the car off a cliff, killing herself.

As a result of the scandal, the tycoon's wife demanded a divorce after learning about his affairs, while the four mistresses left him after he shut down his business. He also had to pay 580,000 yuan ($85,000) compensation to the parents of the dead woman.

Bnlee2

02-18-09, 05:30

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090217/120177026-print.html

Chinese tycoon's best-mistress contest takes tragic turn.I read it on CNN news this morning.

I guess the mistress that lost got the last laugh. Imagine driving off the cliff, i wish i had a recorder in the car listening in to the conversation about ten seconds before she drove right off the cliff.

Wadman

02-18-09, 07:01

Let this be a lesson for you, SEA Joe!

When you decide to downsize your stable of BBS girls, just let them go quietly. Do not stage any stupid contest. Like a fuck-off or BJ contest. The loser will just bite your dick off.

But then, knowing you to be the BSD that you are, you will probably just expand your stable of BBS girls.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090217/120177026-print.html

Chinese tycoon's best-mistress contest takes tragic turn

17/02/2009 11:44 MOSCOW, February 17 (RIA Novosti) - A bizarre best-mistress competition held by a local tycoon in eastern China ended with one of the women driving him and her four rivals off a cliff, the Shanghai Daily said on Tuesday.

The woman was killed, while her four rivals and the businessman were injured in the incident, which took place in the Shandong Province on December 6.

The details behind the crash came to light after the parents of the 29-year-old dead woman, only identified as Yu, handed over to police a letter that she had written.

In her letter she said had been one of five mistresses kept by a married Chinese businessman, identified only by his surname, Fan, since 2000. All the five knew about each other, but chose not to break up the relationship as they received a monthly allowance of 5,000 yuan ($733) and a rent-free apartment.

"The businessman was going to lay off four of his five mistresses due to financial troubles," the paper said. "The women were allowed to vie for the remaining position by competing on their looks, their singing and speaking and their ability to drink alcohol."

The man decided to organize a closed pageant to select the best of the five and even invited an instructor from a modeling agency to help him with his choice. Yu was knocked out of the first round of the competition.

"When Fan told Yu she had lost her position and he was selling her apartment, she decided to take revenge," the newspaper said.

She invited the businessman and the four other mistresses on a mountain trip and drove the car off a cliff, killing herself.

As a result of the scandal, the tycoon's wife demanded a divorce after learning about his affairs, while the four mistresses left him after he shut down his business. He also had to pay 580,000 yuan ($85,000) compensation to the parents of the dead woman.

SE Asia Joe

02-18-09, 07:35

SE Asia Joe

02-18-09, 07:54

I read it on CNN news this morning.

I guess the mistress that lost got the last laugh. Imagine driving off the cliff, i wish i had a recorder in the car listening in to the conversation about ten seconds before she drove right off the cliff.
Call me heartless.... but if you think about it, the guy's really smart AND do have balls!!

I mean, think about it... really think about it:

- I would think that the wife had "endured" and turned a blind eye all these years just to retain her economic lifeline going - and there'd be no way she would have allowed him to divorce her. Faced with such a loss of face, she'd now have no other choice but to divorce him. Provisions and monetary support for wife - GONE!!
- After all this, he's managed to get rid of all of his mistresses AND sell off their apartments.
- After the accident, his other mistresses would, I guess, have sustained disfiguring injuries and thus, even after he's rid of them, their attractiveness to others would be less. Thus he's not gonna have to worry about any other guys mounting a gal who he may still care about.
- And he's been keepin' YU for 9 whole years from when she was a comely 20 year old - His other mistresses are probably also equally high mileage and it WAS high time to trade 'em all off for newer models.
- Even the RMB 580K compensation - the apartment he sold should cover most if not all of this.

OK - flame me - burn me - call me a heartless Ogre - but hey - I've got to dispel all these notions on these boards that I'se just an old softee

SEAJ

Wadman

02-18-09, 08:31

"Balls" maybe, but "smart"?

What was the point of the contest? To find out who could sing, dance, speak, drink the best? From the article, I very much get the impression that the guy had known and kept these girls for some time already. So he knows their singing/dancing/speaking/drinking (and fucking) abilities by now. The contest might have been held to boost his ego, but to the girls it was just a pure public humiliation exercise.

From the article, it appeared he had the power to sell the apartments of his mistresses anyway, meaning they were probably registered under his name instead of theirs. So, he could have just sold them, without going through this contest.

It seems like his other mistresses have all decided to leave him when the shit hit the fan. Especially after they found out that he had to close his business. They don't want him, not even the winner.

And the real stupidy was what he did afterwards, AFTER the contest.

"When Fan told Yu she had lost her position and he was selling her apartment, she decided to take revenge," the newspaper said.

She invited the businessman and the four other mistresses on a mountain trip and drove the car off a cliff, killing herself.

"invited them on a mountain trip"... The trip must have happened at least a day afterwards, probably a few days after. After all the crap he put her/them through, it was not a smart move to associate and socialize with them anymore. Who was it again who said: "Hell hath no fury like..."

To sum up:
- no wife - divorced
- 4 mistresses left him
- the other one is dead
I guess he is at home wanking off now.

Call me heartless.... but if you think about it, the guy's really smart AND do have balls!!

I mean, think about it... really think about it:

- I would think that the wife had "endured" and turned a blind eye all these years just to retain her economic lifeline going - and there'd be no way she would have allowed him to divorce her. Faced with such a loss of face, she'd now have no other choice but to divorce him. Provisions and monetary support for wife - GONE!!
- After all this, he's managed to get rid of all of his mistresses AND sell off their apartments.
- After the accident, his other mistresses would, I guess, have sustained disfiguring injuries and thus, even after he's rid of them, their attractiveness to others would be less. Thus he's not gonna have to worry about any other guys mounting a gal who he may still care about.
- And he's been keepin' YU for 9 whole years from when she was a comely 20 year old - His other mistresses are probably also equally high mileage and it WAS high time to trade 'em all off for newer models.
- Even the RMB 580K compensation - the apartment he sold should cover most if not all of this.

OK - flame me - burn me - call me a heartless Ogre - but hey - I've got to dispel all these notions on these boards that I'se just an old softee

SEAJ

Nighthawk55

02-18-09, 17:33

What kind of moron fires the girl THEN lets her drive?

Csun213

02-18-09, 21:30

Mike B

02-19-09, 06:45

Turns out the mistress-contest story might not be true after all:

JINAN, Feb. 18 (Xinhua).- A reporter whose story of a businessman's contest to decide which mistress to keep was fired after he was found to have plagiarized, according to a Wednesday statement of the local newspaper in east China's Shandong Province.

It was found the story was copied from a magazine based in Wuhan, capital of central China's Hubei Province, according to the statement of the PMN.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/18/content_10842583.htm

SE Asia Joe

02-19-09, 07:16

South Cina Morning Post, 19 February 19, 2009
AROUND THE NATION

Reporter fired for mistress yarn

SHANDONG - A reporter whose story about a businessman who held a contest to decide which of his five mistresses to keep has been fired for plagiarism, the Peninsula Metropolitan News reports. The story, about a man surnamed Fan who could no longer afford to support his lovers when his business went south, appeared in the paper on Sunday. However, it was found to have been copied from a magazine based in Wuhan, Hubei province. Ony the names had been changed.

Central/South

OldAsiaHand

02-19-09, 09:16

Intransit

02-19-09, 17:36

Very interesting -- story about scumbag dude with multiple mistresses, then ripped off and republished in a different magazine newspaper. China never ceases to amaze.

Intransit

02-19-09, 17:38

note: "ghana’s knack investigative reporter" is the guy who wrote the article. he's deffo milking this for all he can get out of it.

http://www.africanews.com/site/ghana_hardcore_chinese_sex_lord_busted/list_messages/23263

the boss of a sophisticated chinese sex cartel, peach blossom palace, has been arrested in ghana's capital accra in a poverty stricken area called la. the sex cartel running under the guise of a bar, traffics sexually enticing chinese girls into west africa - ghana, togo and nigeria - for sex slavery.

the head of the brothel king james, a chinese, was arrested in the midst of scores of raunchy mini-skirted chinese girls filling up his glass with exotic french champagne. he spins his cozy swivel chair in sensuous delirium as the ladies’ dainty fingers caress his neck, back and shoulders to orthopedic effect. the girls are allegedly sold for usd$ 6,000 to clients.

his arrest and rescue of the unsuspecting trafficked victims and ghanaian alleged accomplices in a successful police swoop on valentine’s day, follows six months of backbreaking undercover investigations by ghana’s knack investigative reporter – anas aremeyaw anas of the new crusading guide newspaper. this reporter posed as a bartender in the hotels where this sordid business is carried out. he managed to capture every aspect of this trade with a hidden camera.

seven chinese girls and a ghanaian couple, identified as house helpers of james, were rescued by the police. james, who was sitting bare-chested, was also arrested with his wife next to him.

peach blossom palace, which from the exterior appears to be a bar, held several rooms which served as brothels for the chinese girls. during a thorough search of the house, the police found bags filled with condoms, needles and syringes, medicines, artificial vibrator penis, wooden penis, passports, exotic pornographic movies, microphones for singing and lap dancing equipment.

the police also retrieved usd$14,000 in cash and some unspecified amount of money in chinese yuan and ghana cedis. according to an insider, the money was part of fees paid for the sexual exploitation of the victims in the previous week.

price

the report that rocked ghana’s media said the young and pretty girls attract more cash. “if they are between the ages of 19 and 22, their price can be higher than $ 200 per night. virgins can fetch over 1000 dollars, as for traffickers they go where the money is, they don’t care whether it’s africa or mongolia, the cash is most significant,” an insider told kester aburam korankye of the cobra eye investigative team.

anas also pretended to befriend a lady who lived in the brothel and from whom, over a period of four months, he obtained valuable, first-hand accounts of the activities of king james and his colleagues. he had hardcore evidence on video and upon the presentation of this evidence that the police cid raided the brothel last weekend.

anas reported that “poor, innocent and vulnerable chinese girls, some as young as 19, are the human commodity on sale paraded in front of the clients like pieces of meat in a butcher shop window. they are lured here with promises of honest, well-paid jobs, only to have their passports and return tickets confirep001ed. the travel documents may be recovered, but only after one had paid off the cost – invariably inflated - of the trip to accra. they are beaten and threatened with a high debt to be repaid only through the sale of their bodies. they are thrown into debt bondage and forced to sell their innocence and human dignity for their master’s gain in nightclubs and casinos. ‘i was told that i was going to be waitressing in a chinese restaurant, but it however turned into nightmare. there was no way of turning back and i resorted to this dehumanizing business’ said one of the girls. any of this trafficker’s victims, who attempt anything akin to disobedience, not to talk of rebellion, is firmly, swiftly and brutally repressed.”

james is reported to be making millions of dollars that flow not from his own pores, but from the bloody chores of hapless, naïve lasses he has made *****s on the shores of west africa. he is usually spotted in ghana’s most expensive casino, wearing gucci shades, a golden brown emperio amani tuxedo and a custom-made rolex wrist watch.

SE Asia Joe

02-20-09, 09:32

NOTE: "Ghana’s knack investigative reporter" is the guy who wrote the article. he's deffo milking this for all he can get out of it.

http://www.africanews.com/site/Ghana_Hardcore_Chinese_sex_lord_busted/list_messages/23263

The boss .

YOu see the photos accompanying the article?

Hell, those gals wouldn't make it in CP RMB200@ BBS's.
More like catacombs gals methinks (and probably lured to Ghana the same was as they get to the catacombs!)

SEAJ

Phil1980

02-20-09, 10:32

A few years back I was in an apartment in a major city. I went out on the balcony which faced the river. There was a body of a girl floating in the river. The authorities showed up and dragged her out. Turned out, she was a mistress with too many demands.

OAH

On a side note, when I took a Yangtse cruise a couple of years back, the ship passed a body floating in the river, not that anyone seemed to give a damn or bothered to call the authorities, probably some farmer who fell into the river and drowned.

Regarding the Ghana article, I don't see why any Chinese woman would want to go to Africa of all places to work as a prostitute, AIDS is rampant, the African guys there are probably used to brutalizing women and the countries are poor.

SE Asia Joe

02-20-09, 10:42

Regarding the Ghana article, I don't see why any Chinese woman would want to go to Africa of all places to work as a prostitute, AIDS is rampant, the African guys there are probably used to brutalizing women and the countries are poor.
Errrr..... I believe that the article points out that these gals were trafficked - and the assumption in the article is that these gals did not come willingly/was tricked into coming as waitresses etc.

And yes, I would think that of all the places that Chinese WG's would/could go to willingly, I would think that any 3rd world country would be their last choice - especially one where the population is black-skinned. Thus lending credence to the assumption that these gals WERE trafficked

SEAJ

Bnlee2

02-21-09, 21:52

Errrr..... I believe that the article points out that these gals were trafficked - and the assumption in the article is that these gals did not come willingly/was tricked into coming as waitresses etc.

And yes, I would think that of all the places that Chinese WG's would/could go to willingly, I would think that any 3rd world country would be their last choice - especially one where the population is black-skinned. Thus lending credence to the assumption that these gals WERE trafficked

SEAJMost of them when arrested will claimed that they were tricked into the trade. I believe that most coming over to the west without a vocational skills knows what they are getting into. For the girls going to another third world country usually have some issue that they need to leave the motherland like needing to payoff a lot of debts and there is no way that they can pay it off at home. Their only assets that they have left is their charm. I do not think that any of the girls will admit the truth.

I sometimes wonder what these bbs, KTV and sauna girls tells their family when they go back home for the holidays. They all claim to be either working in factories or retail stores but in reality they are selling their as$es. They come home with mucho bucks and giving their parents more than what they suppose to earn. I just think that their family just turn a blind eye to their daughters. Ho. Ing out there to support the family.

Bottom line, no one wants to live like a poor farmer and will do anything to change that fate.

Just my two rmb on this. Innocents. Very unlikely.

Wadman

02-22-09, 11:30

I sometimes wonder what these bbs, KTV and sauna girls tells their family when they go back home for the holidays. They all claim to be either working in factories or retail stores but in reality they are selling their as$es. They come home with mucho bucks and giving their parents more than what they suppose to earn. I just think that their family just turn a blind eye to their daughters. Ho. Ing out there to support the family.

Well, I had an interesting conversation with a BBS girl I did yesterday. She is a repeat girl, so we are a little bit more comfortable with each other. The conversation took place during (all that moaning is over-rated) and after the fuck.

She went back home to Hunan province for Chinese new year, spent a little over a month there. She was introduced to a guy there through family. They spent the entire time together (bit over 1 month) and are engaged to be married. She plans to work in CP for a few more months and then head home. The girl is 26 if I remember correctly.

I asked her whether they have "done it" yet, and she said yeah... well sort of. Towards the end of the month, the guy requested sex. She was on her period but didn't want to deny him. Luckily for her, the guy was not used to sex at all, and came before he even entered her! Hahaha. He is 28 btw.

This girl does anal, good BBBJ and CIM. So I asked her if she could not have just blown him instead (seeing that she was on the rag). She responded that "sex back home is very simple, kiss a little, clothes come off, fuck for a couple of minutes, and that's it". I then asked whether she will let him poke her in the ass, again same answer: "we keep things simple back home". But maybe, later on, when things get stale in their marriage she will introduce these things to him? She says she doubts it. Poor guy, he's got a champion cocksucker who loves it up her ass, but I guess he will never find out.

SE Asia Joe

02-23-09, 07:18

Well, I had an interesting conversation with a BBS girl I did yesterday. She is a repeat girl, so we are a little bit more comfortable with each other.
Damn..... I really gotta try her out!!

I know I know, I had always said that I like to go and chose 'em myself -but hell Wadman - this must at least be the third time you've done her. Wadman who never usually repeats!

She MUST be extra special!!

SEAJ

Red Rock II

02-23-09, 08:11

Wadman,

It was a very interesting story. Life sometime isn’t fair. Last summer I met a girl in northern part of china. On the second date, we were ended in bed and fucked like crazy. We were still chat on MSN from time to time after I left. A couple of months ago we met on MSN, and she told me that she had been dating another man for well over a month and they went out for dinner, movie two or three times a week. But they had not get their hands together yet. I guess that guy still treat her as a virgin. Well, I don’t mean that I am good at getting women. I was in that man’s shoes a couple of year ago when I met a girl in Shanghai. Over two weeks period of time when I was in Shanghai then, we went out everyday. lunch, dinner, movie, shopoing, and everything. Sometime, we were sitting in a bar and chat until 2 o’clock in the morning. Most of times we were in my hotel room and chat until 10 or 11 at night without doing anything. Then I went back to Beijing and we still talk to each other. I thought I would keep it as a long term relationship. Later I was back to the States for a few months and did not contact her for a while. One day, we met on MSN, and she told me that she just had abortion. I asked her what had happened, she told me that she felt so lonely that she fucked with a younger guy and got pregnant. But that guy did not have a decent job and had no money, she had no intention to marry him. She just used him as a sex partner. After I heard it, I was hiting my head against wall for an hour!

Wadman

02-23-09, 15:48

You better hurry. TickTock and me ran into her around Swanlake area. She was in a sweatsuit. I had given TickTock her info a while ago, but he was like you: kept putting it off. His reaction was: damn, she ain't that ugly...hahaha. He might be doing her as I type this.

Damn..... I really gotta try her out!!

I know I know, I had always said that I like to go and chose 'em myself -but hell Wadman - this must at least be the third time you've done her. Wadman who never usually repeats!

She MUST be extra special!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

02-24-09, 09:21

Most of them when arrested will claimed that they were tricked into the trade. I believe that most coming over to the west without a vocational skills knows what they are getting into. For the girls going to another third world country usually have some issue that they need to leave the motherland like needing to payoff a lot of debts and there is no way that they can pay it off at home. .......................

Just my two rmb on this. Innocents. Very unlikely.
Actually I agree with you about MOST of the WG's in/from china - they do know what they're getting into and are prepared to do "it" in order to "secure' their future.

On the other hand, I would think that most Chinese WG's would NOT chose to go to Ghana and/or other African countries to do "it" And here I am refering to the Chinese's common place bigotry against any darker skinned people.

Plus why would they 'want' to go to such an impoverished place - when they've got so much more other well known and lucrative destinations to go to?

SEAJ

Bc8000

02-24-09, 14:08

On the other hand, I would think that most Chinese WG's would NOT chose to go to Ghana and/or other African countries to do "it" And here I am refering to the Chinese's common place bigotry against any darker skinned people.

Plus why would they 'want' to go to such an impoverished place - when they've got so much more other well known and lucrative destinations to go to?
SEAJ

The last decade , Africa has opened up huge projects in the industrial and infrastructure sectors to the Chinese government. Many of these require expertise in engineering and technology to stay there for several years. So, the Chinese population of skilled and semi-skilled labor living in these parts of Africa would pay well for a steady supply of China WGs. It is unlikely they desire the dark-skinned local African WGs, particularly the high incidence of AIDS.

In addition, girls from China seem to be the best choice, having no language barrier. I would imagine demand outstrips supply and possibly service some high paying African clients too. Global [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) numbers have exponentialed beyond our comprehension.

\Bc8000

Bnlee2

02-24-09, 22:23

Actually I agree with you about MOST of the WG's in/from china - they do know what they're getting into and are prepared to do "it" in order to "secure' their future.

On the other hand, I would think that most Chinese WG's would NOT chose to go to Ghana and/or other African countries to do "it" And here I am refering to the Chinese's common place bigotry against any darker skinned people.

Plus why would they 'want' to go to such an impoverished place - when they've got so much more other well known and lucrative destinations to go to?

SEAJSeaj

Most of them are so heavily in debt that they need to get out of "dodge". Some of these gals may not be that great looking according to our standard but other see them as exotic. I really do not believe that the guy in Ghana "King James" have real stunners there, maybe, in my book a bunch of 2, 3, or 4's at best. I seen what some of the "gwei lo's" saw as stunners and I say "really" but would not even consider them in my book. Sorry to some of the "gwei los' " on this board, I'm not trying to flame you but use it as an example. In the US, I see some asian gals dating some african american, and other non asians, they really sees beauty in a different eye. Not really my cup of tea. I prefer them with much lighter skin and a more mandarin look, fairly much like Zhang Ziyi or Gong Li or the asian singer hottie, I think her name is Coco. SEAJ, I think you know what I mean. They know that if they go ply their trade even in Europe they may not be able to get clients.

I feel that the one that will go to Ghana are the one that owes a lot of money to the local "Uncle Chang and his goonies" and knows that the bills need to be repaid asap. Their only asset is their a$$. Just my two rmb.

Eaglestar

03-02-09, 06:41

I posted this in the Shanghai Hotels thread but realize maybe better here.

Originally Posted by Phenyl
Galinsoga,

As previously suggested. Ask the concierge at your hotel (regal east asia. They have good english language staff) to write down the name in Chinese for the taxi driver. Once you get to THAT hotel, grab a name card. Make it a habit to grab name cards from every hotel you stop at to form your own collection. Just remember to take your own hotel card with you for the way back!

Cheers,

Phenyl

One other way of doing this is to use a service named "Guanxi" which, if I remember correctly, is owned by the people who publish City Weekend magazine.

To use Guanxi simply send a phone text message to 106695882929 entering the name of the hotel, restaurant, bar etc. Momentarily you will received a text message from Guanxi with the name, address and phone number and instructions to "reply" with only the letter 'C'. Again momentarily you will receive another text message with the same info in Chinese characters. I save these in the Memo section on my phone and all I have to do is show it to the taxi driver and off I go.

Seems better to me than having 100 business cards or match book covers.

ES

Intransit

03-02-09, 20:34

Please note that two political planets are about to line up this month, and this may, at least in Beijing, affect the hobby.

The first is the National People's Congress, which begins shortly. If you've noticed a sudden increase in police presence in Beijing, that's why. This may also result in increased surveillance/harassment of some of our favorite nightlife venues, and/or a toning down of the activities that make them popular, including less racy shows or earlier closing times. You should also carry ID with you and be a bit more cautious when driving around town with an Asian female companion in the car if you are not Asian.

The second is the upcoming first anniversary of the Tibetan uprising in Lhasa. Expect this to result in the above to be extended beyond its usual mid-March show of force.

Bear in mind that all of this funnels into the 20th anniversary of the June 4 democracy crackdown in the late spring, and moves on to October 1's 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic. As such, if you thought that the stringent regulation we saw during the Olympic year was over, it is far from so. Please use appropriate caution and discretion.

Cunning Stunt

03-05-09, 05:17

Sign found in a Chinese MP? Should have been :D.

Tiger43

03-23-09, 15:57

As reported on the forum, I could not get ISG in China for 2 weeks.

At last I tried
www.swissvpn.net

It takes 7 steps to install a network on your laptop, but it really works!

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Wadman

03-27-09, 08:01

Circumcision seems to help against HIV, HPV and herpes. So maybe it's time to get circumcised. A cheaper, less painful, less drastic alternative would be to always have your little head "out".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_he_me/med_circumcision_stds;_ylt=Au2_jaYTBsLJGttaID5LtRis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFkOXEyc2ZyBHBvcwMxNDAEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl9oZWFsdGgEc2xrA3N0dWR5bWFsZWNpcg--

Study: Male circumcision helps prevent 2 STDs

LOS ANGELES – Circumcision not only protects against HIV in heterosexual men, but it also helps prevent two other sexually transmitted infections, a large new study found. Circumcised males reduced their risk of infection with HPV, or human papillomavirus, by 35 percent and herpes by 28 percent. However, researchers found circumcision had no effect on the transmission of syphilis.

Landmark studies from three African countries including Uganda previously found circumcision lowered men's chance of catching the AIDS virus by up to 60 percent. The new study stems from the Uganda research and looked at protection against three other STDs. The findings are reported in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine

"Evidence now strongly suggests that circumcision offers an important prevention opportunity and should be widely available," Drs. Matthew Golden and Judith Wasserheit of the University of Washington wrote in an accompanying editorial.

Worldwide, only about 30 percent of men are circumcised. The figure is higher in the United States, where about 79 percent of men are circumcised, according to surveys by the National Center for Health Statistics.

An international team of researchers who conducted the study said circumcision, the surgical removal of the foreskin from the penis, should be an accepted method to reduce sexually transmitted infections among heterosexuals.

"It must be emphasized that protection was only partial, and it is critical to promote the practice of safe sex," they wrote.

HPV can cause cervical cancer and genital warts. Herpes greatly increases the chances of infection with HIV.

The American Academy of Pediatrics previously said there was not enough evidence to recommend routine circumcision of infants. The doctor's group is reviewing its position based on recent studies. About 2,800 herpes cases in newborns occur in the U.S. every year transmitted from mothers to infants that can lead to disability or death.

The latest research involved 3,393 HIV-negative heterosexual adolescent boys and men from Uganda who were part of the original HIV study. About half were randomly selected to undergo circumcision right away while the rest had the procedure 2 years later. All had physical exams and were offered voluntary HIV counseling and condoms.

After two years, herpes infection was detected in 114 circumcised men compared with 153 uncircumcised men. HPV was detected in 42 circumcised men compared with 80 uncircumcised men. There was no significant difference between the two groups on rate of syphilis infections. The researchers considered condom use, number of sex partners and other factors to calculate the risk reductions.

Why circumcision may reduce the risk of infection is not entirely known. But researchers think cells in the foreskin of the penis may be susceptible to HPV and the herpes virus.

The study was funded by the National Institutes of Health and the Bill and Melissa Gates Foundation. It was conducted by the Rakai Health Sciences Program and Makerere University in Uganda, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and a division of the National Institutes of Health.

The results were similar to two recent studies from South Africa that found circumcision reduced HPV and herpes by up to a third.

Researchers plan to study whether circumcision reduces the spread of HPV to female sex partners.

SE Asia Joe

03-27-09, 12:05

Circumcision seems to help against HIV, HPV and herpes. So maybe it's time to get a circumcised. A cheaper, less painful, less drastic alternative would be to always have your little head "out".
Right!!!!

I'm gonna get myself circumcised and then go out there and do 'em all bareback!!

YUP.... Gonna get myself Lobbed off.... Yup, shooooore thing...definitely.... ain't no two ways about it!!

Or perhaps follow the Pope's directive to abstain ..... to avoid AIDS.

SEAJ (still intact!!)

Mmlouie

03-27-09, 17:50

Right!!!!

I'm gonna get myself circumcised and then go out there and do 'em all bareback!!

YUP.... Gonna get myself Lobbed off.... Yup, shooooore thing...definitely.... ain't no two ways about it!!

Or perhaps follow the Pope's directive to abstain ..... to avoid AIDS.

SEAJ (still intact!!)
Wow, this should start some controversy and debates. So I am going to add my .02 worth;

Myth 1 : A circumcised penis is more hygienic and cleaner. A substance which consists of oils, dead skin an antibody called smegma will accumulate beneath the foreskin of uncircumcised penis thus provide an ideal environment for bacteria colonization. This condition will increase the risk of infection.

Fact 1: Smegma has been wrongly accused as unclean or dirty. In fact, it is very clean. The antibodies in fresh smegma actually prevent bacteria colonization. It is true that if the accumulation of smegma goes unchecked it could be unhealthy but any penis that is not properly washed is at high risk of infection since dirt and bacteria can collect everywhere from your foreskin, scrotum and your pubic hairs.

Myth 2: Foreskin does not have any significant function in our body but to provide a place for germs causing UTI, HPV and HIV to easily invade our body thus circumcision serves as diseases prevention. It is minor surgery and not so painful.

Fact 2: The foreskin is a functional organ with a purpose, which is to protect the penis from bacterial infection, to provide lubrication during intercourse, and to enhance the sexual experience of the man.

The truth is that germs causing UTI, HPV, HIV and other diseases can be absorbed through membranes in the penis, whether circumcised or not. Another fact is that circumcision is very painful even when pain relief is administered to the patient; the penis is sore throughout the recovery time and very prone to infection.

I just copied this from an article, but I am sure that there are many other articles out there.

SE Asia Joe

03-28-09, 06:12

Wow, this should start some controversy and debates. So I am going to add my .02 worth;

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Hmmmm..... you want controvery huh?

Howzabout this?? In that the study was done in Africa/Uganda?

Controversy #1 - Ain't Africans suppossed to have larger "tools?" Such size and racial make-up must make for SOME difference in the rate of infection??!! No??

Controvsery #2 - ain't Africa where HIV virus is suppossed to have jumped the species barrier from monkeys to man??

Controversy #3 - And this is the BEST One!! - didn't you and Wadman jump on each other just last month?? You guys gonna jump on each other again??!! GREAT!!!!

Muahahaha!!

controversies and Fun and Games

SEAJ

Appcid

03-28-09, 06:46

I will be near airport overnight soon. I am interested in the listings on craigs list can you trust any of these listings for outcall in room services with full special. Such as independent massage. Or, 800 RMB no upsell. Some claim the picture is real. Could anyone recommend any of these offers? How much is reasonable to pay for HJ or BJ or FS including the massage and when they offer 90 min or 2 hrs will you really get that time? Thanks. Waiting for answer and looking forward to my short stay.

Marcusillinois

03-29-09, 06:39

Appcid

03-29-09, 23:05

Well, not getting any help here but its ok. I will try a Craigs list ad and will report on the results. I just had a bad experience in Beijing with a online ad for massage and other services. The girl that I asked for did not come and the girl I did get asked a very high price for special, which I did not pay, and her massage was horrible. But she was very sexy and beautiful. But when I can get 2 hours of pure pleasure in Singapore for about $80 US why would I pay more in China? Fact is I would go as high as 800 RMB but I do not want any games.

SE Asia Joe

04-02-09, 07:29

Following "SCMP News Brief" article a must read for those who thinks - and acts - like they're kings when at a KTV. Tone it down guys - and be careful out there!
SEAJ

Family sit-in over killing

GUANGDONG - The family of a Taiwanese furnishing company manager staged a sit-in at a Dongguan hotel nightclub on Tuesday following his death in the club after an argument with a bar girl last week, the Guangzhou Daily reports. Friends of the dead man said they had ejected the woman from their lounge because she was impolite and she later called in a gang to attack them.

Leche

04-03-09, 08:31

Can someone help me understand what "red rope" means?

ImAPlayer

04-03-09, 13:52

Hi guys,

First time poster so please be easy on me. I'm chinese but dont know any chinese and this is my first time in Beijing.

Which area in Beijing should I be staying in as there are many areas and I'm not sure which are the best for a good time sex.

I'll be in Beijing on Friday 10th April for 4 days so if anyone wants to join me for a mongering experience, please PM me.

Bnlee2

04-03-09, 23:25

Can someone help me understand what "red rope" means? Leche

Help is on its way. All you need to do is to search the term on ISG. Many information has been written about it including where it could be found. Bad Boy Billy have even posted some pictures of it on the Brazilian board in the last week. Stop being a beggar and do your own research. Getting a paid subscription may also be helpful, since many senior member will not posted the location on the public board but may give it to you via a PM (ISG's own webmail to subscriber). They are afraid that if they posted, LE will read it and raid the joint.

If some of these acronyms are confusing, just go to the menu bar and look under abbreviation and you will find the meaning of it.

NOW Leche. RTFF

Nothing is free in this world, you must work for it.

Travel Dog

04-04-09, 02:15

Can someone help me understand what "red rope" means?

Red rope is a special service at some saunas. The girl hangs upside down above the bed by a red rope. She spins around while giving you a BJ. This was very popular a few years ago and is still offered at some places.

TD

Intransit

04-11-09, 00:41

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/10/content_11159700.htm

BEIJING, April 9 (Xinhua) -- The Ministry of Public Security announced a national action against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) of women and children here Thursday, in wake of increasing incidences of these cases in China.

"The country has seen an increasing incidence of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) of women and children recently, though the police have continued fighting such crimes for years," said Zhang Xinfeng, vice minister of public security at a meeting.

The nationwide crackdown will last from April to December this year, he said.

Police must carefully investigate residents to identify women and children victims and rescue them, he said.

They were also asked to collect information about possible victims and tightly follow leads, he said.

The police will also crack down upon those who seduce or force children to beg on streets or commit crimes, especially those masterminding such gangs, he added.

Fast Eddie 48

04-11-09, 04:10

http://news. Xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/10/content_11159700. Htm BEIJING, April 9 (Xinhua).- The Ministry of Public Security announced a national action against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) of women and children here Thursday, in wake of increasing incidences of these cases in China.

"The country has seen an increasing incidence of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) of women and children recently, though the police have continued fighting such crimes for years, " said Zhang Xinfeng, vice minister of public security at a meeting.

The nationwide crackdown will last from April to December this year, he said.

Police must carefully investigate residents to identify women and children victims and rescue them, he said.

They were also asked to collect information about possible victims and tightly follow leads, he said.

The police will also crack down upon those who seduce or force children to beg on streets or commit crimes, especially those masterminding such gangs, he added.Intransit

I hope this will included chlid and slave labor also, this is also a big problem here in China but goverment lookthe other way.

Fast Eddie 48

Intransit

04-12-09, 03:21

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/15182/

taipei—on april 8, the xishui county people’s court in china’s guizhou province held a non-public trial involving a case about public officials who used young schoolgirls as prostitutes. the matter was notorious enough to be talked about in the whole country. seven suspects, including five public officials, appeared in court for the trial.

the trial was not made public because the case involved both minors and personal privacy. even so, hundreds of angry people gathered outside the courthouse during the trial. the court has decided to choose a date to adjudicate the case.

xishui county party committee member li ling said on voice of america that the public officials who were involved in this case have either been dismissed, suspended or had their salaries suspended.

guiyang city freelance writer zeng ning suggested that this case was just another symptom of the moral bankruptcy and rampant corruption seen in china today.

“just look at how bad china’s current education system has become. young girls were deceived by their teachers to be used as prostitutes for public officials. it seems that some teachers will do anything to profit from students and parents. i think this action should be condemned by society and those public officials should also be subjected to severe legal sanctions,” said zeng.

former “bijie daily” reporter li yuanlong said that with such a heinous crime, this case is supposed to be sent to an intermediate court rather than the xishui county people’s court. he suspects that some high-ranking authorities are protecting the defendants in secret. he also noted the manipulative, exculpatory terminology “visiting young girl prostitutes” being used in the trial and in the media.

li believes that the terminology used in the case is not right. officials are reported as ‘visiting prostitutes,’ which suggests that there is an adult voluntarily offering a service. in a voluntary situation with an adult there would be no charge, and such behavior should only be penalized by administrative means. however, li points out that this case involves young girls who were used for sex against their will, which should be regarded as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

beijing attorney li heping said that the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of young girls is to be severely punished—commanding a sentence of at least three to seven years. “[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) a young girl could earn a sentence of over seven years in jail. a perpetrator could even be sentenced to death in more serious cases,” he said.

FernandoAlonso

04-23-09, 05:14

Mao Dun

04-23-09, 12:54

Not a writing mistake.

Anybody knows whether the filesharing (emule, edonkey etc.) works also here in China or is it advised to not do this. But how can I get to my porn downloading. I hate Chinese porn.

FA

I've found some good files using isohunt, a search engine site for file downloads, which brings you to links for bittorrent-type downloads from various different sites. I use Azureus (now called Vuze) for the downloading. That being said, some wireless routers or modems seem not to be compatible with bittorrent technology, and I'm not sure where the issue is. What happens with me is, sometimes it works, but sometimes downloading this knocks me off the network entirely and I have to restart both my modem and router. I think Japanese porn is the best, personally.

Bathrobe

04-23-09, 23:05

FernandoAlonso

04-24-09, 10:06

Agreed that your best bet is bittorrent. If you are new to it, check out this page: http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-use-bittorrent/

Using bittorrent with puretna.com or empornium.com should get you all the porn you need.

If bittorrent won't work for you, I've also managed to find a few proxies that allow you to use some of the streaming porn sites out there like redtube or tube8Use emule for years, but if something else works better from within China, hey no problem, nice source is also zoozle and have some other sites offering quality links. Pm me, but be a little patient, am travelling.

FA

SE Asia Joe

05-07-09, 10:23

Guys - BEWARE!

Something fishy is going on - and it may be quite serious.

I posted on Ace Gallant's Dongguan thread and my posting has been either deleted or worse - TAMPERED WITH!!

The following - which I've been trying to post , AT THE URGING OF AG, has been deleted time and time again. And thus I am posting it up HERE to see if it will also disappear.

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AG – you just told me on the phone that you have not even signed on to ISG for at least a couple days and thus you don’t even know what I am talking about.

But please investigate as its about posting on YOUR thread.

Anyway, I had originally posted the following

Errrrr..... Great master..... your math is.....off!!

1. Beer is anywhere from 30 - 40/bottle and most places offer B2G1 or Even B1G1 - and thus the average price of beer is approx 20-25/bottle

2. Red wine is not ALWAYS B2G1 - especially if you're an idiot and not ask, they'll just charge you without anything free.

3. A bottle of liquor can be stretched to 26 shots - (only 18 if you believe the legend about why there is 18 holes in a golf course - that a bottle of whisky has 18 shots only). Problem here is the fact that most DJ's will pre-mix hard liquor and mixers are an extra RMB 18-22 extra. All this is gonna cost a helluva lot more than straight beer

4. The fact that the DJ's will most likely make the drink stronger and stronger as the evening wears on. And then there are those who insist on making their own drinks - and these guys make their own drink progressively stronger - "Chasing the High" is what happens. Beer is beer and you cain't make it stronger or weaker! Plus with beer, I get all bloated up that my stomach - large as it is - physically cannot accomodate too much beer and .... the gas!!

5. Same thing with Red wine and the cost of the mixers....plus of course my assertion that your favorite drink - red wine mixed with 7Up is such a sucky drink!!

Errrrr..... you really pay RMB 58 for each bottle of beer??? BSD!!!

SEAJ

Then without any warning or any discussion, I see that my post had been changed to

Errrrr..... Great master..... your math is.....off!!

1. Beer is anywhere from 30 - 40/bottle and most places offer B2G1 or Even B1G1 - and thus the avergae price of beer is approx 20-25/bottle but because I am a cheap bastard, I'll always go for cheap beers at cheap KTVs so my price is always 20-25/bottle
2. Red wine is not ALWAYS B2G1 - especially if you're an idiot and not ask, they'll just charge you without anything free, I had learn from been cheated many times before so don't be like me
3.A bottle of liquor can be stretched to 26 shots - (only 18 if you believe the legend about why there is 18 holes in a golf course - that a bottle of whisky has 18 shots only). Problem here is the fact that most DJ's will pre-mix hard liquor and mixers are an extra RMB 18-22 extra. All this is gonna cost a helluva lot more than straight beer but again, because I am a cheap bastard I will not drink expansive liquor, I'll stick to straight beer. Why let KTV make the money? let them die!
4. The fact that the DJ's will most likely make the drink stronger and stronger as the evening wears on. And then there are those who insists on making his own drinks - and these guys make their own drink progressivley stronger - "chasing the High" is what happens. Beer is beer and you cain't make it stronger or weaker! Plus with beer, I get all bloated up that my stomach - large as it is - physically cannot accomodate too much beer and .... the gas!! That is why they call me Fat Old Fuck.
5. same thing with Red wine and the cost of the mixers....plus of course my asertion that your favorite drink - red wine mixed with 7Up is such a sucky drink!! However I must agree, mixer makes the Wine sweet which then again make it easy to drink so the girls will get drunk unknowingly!

Errrrr..... you really pay RMB 58 for each bottle of beer??? And I thought I was the only guy who was a BSD for paying RMB 68 per beer??

SEAJ

I then of course wrote on your thread the following

Good God AG - why are you adding/editing my post?

You've added the following sentences to my original post - WTF are you doing???

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- but because I am a cheap bustard, I'll always go for cheap beers at cheap KTVs so my price is always 20-25/bottle

- I had learn from been cheated many times before so don't be like me

- because I am a cheap bustard I will not drink expansive liquor, I'll stick to straight beer. Why let KTV make the money? let them die!

- However I must agree, mixer makes the Wine sweet which then again make it easy to drink so the girls will get drunk unknowingly!

- That is why they call me Fat Old Fuck.

- And I thought I was the only guy who was a BSD for paying RMB 68 per beer??

And proceeded to post back my original unedited post.

Now I see that both post has been deleted – and that is when I decided it best to just go ahead and delete the post which had been tampered with. Well guess what?? “Somebody” went ahead and re-instated the doctored post back up again.

Please get to the bottom of this as this is pretty serious… for somebody To ASSUME MY PERSONAE and use MY HANDLE to write out whatever he wants to write??

Thanks – please advise me what you find out as I would like to also bring it up to Jackson. Obviously somebody is definitely tampering with entries and assuming member’s personae and handles. This thing can easily destroy all the fine work that Jackson has put into making International Sex Guide just about the best Sex forum in the world and I would hate to see that

Many thanks/Regards

SE Asia Joe
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Red Ice

05-07-09, 20:22

Hello guys,

I will travel to china this summer on vacation and I just wondering where in china you get hottest babe at low cost. In other word which city is the shit? Because I’m second generation Chinese so I can speak very well Chinese.

Bnlee2

05-07-09, 22:11

Guys - BEWARE!SEAJoe,

Maybe change your password.

SE Asia Joe

05-09-09, 03:08

SEAJoe,

Maybe change your password.
This is the reply - such as it is - from Ace Gallant FYI

WTF are you doing???

Look-it, if you don't want me to post on your thread, at least please be gentleman enough to just tell me.

I do NOT appreciate you or anybody else changing my words around and would much prefer NOT to post anything at all on your thread if you're gonna keep on editing and worse, adding really stupid stuff

Joe

Just an update as I am fucking busy:

I had looked into this matter and tried to "restore" your post to as original as it can be.

To let you know what happened:

A good friend of mine who is based in Guangdong is helping me to moderate the South China threads so I had asked him yesterday, after your call whether he had done it. Yes, he had made the additions and deletion. But all this is not without a reason. He thinks that you are flaming me and he is also pissed that you are calling everyone else a BSD.

To answer your question when you called shouting at me, "You cannot add or edit others post" or whatever.... NO Joe, for this instance, it is not me who had done it BUT! Even it is me, I do have the rights to Edit, Delete or Undelete as and when I like, that is because I am given the rights by Jackson to do so. But you re-posting challanging posts over and over again actually mess up the board and if that is your intention, it even gives us the rights to delete the posts or even Ban the person who is doing so. That's is what a forum moderator is for.

Actually, I found that whatever my asst. moderator done was kind of funny.... adds a bit of humor to the thread however; if it is me, I will not handle it this way. I would just delete the post because by adding funny stuff like this is encouraging a flame war! hahahaha! Just take it as a joke will you?

SEAJ

Bearsk

05-09-09, 05:57

If Ace is too busy then he should not entrust this to his friend. Give it to Jackson, so we can be sure of non-editorialized posts.

This is the reply - such as it is - from Ace Gallant FYI

SEAJ

Red Ice

05-10-09, 23:02

I’m just wondering what happen if you get caught in china.

Will it be prison or just a nasty fine?

SE Asia Joe

05-11-09, 03:57

If Ace is too busy then he should not entrust this to his friend. Give it to Jackson, so we can be sure of non-editorialized posts.
Naaaahhh.... I guess AG already has enough problems without me going back to Jackson on it.

As he wrote - he does have the "right" to edit - although I still for the life of me, cannot understand why anybody would want to use such "powers" so liberally - for all it would do is to discourage anybody from posting on his thread. And even though I consider AG a friend, I would think it wise for me to also NOT post on his thread any more.

So I guess I'll just let sleeping dogs lie

SEAJ

Santa

05-12-09, 05:22

Regardless of who edited the post, I do not think there was any malicious intent. It was probably just a bad joke.

It's not the first time someone played a dumb prank on Joe.

Intransit

05-12-09, 05:29

whether chinese legal officials realize it or not, they just created a market price for sex with **** virgins. jail time would have been the appropriate punishment here.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-05/12/content_7766094.htm

official fined after **** sex

a government official who paid a 13-year-old for sex has escaped criminal charges after claiming that he did not know the girl was ****.

lu yumin, a taxation official in yibin county, sichuan province, was fined 5,000 yuan ($730) after having sexual intercourse with a virgin last december.

lu was arrested on suspicion of child [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) after the victim xiao wei (not her real name) reported the incident to police on march 3.

the official paid two men 6,000 yuan so that he could have sex with xiao wei in a hotel room. the girl was taken to the room by three school friends and later given a cut of 1,000 yuan, the chongqing daily reported.

lu was detained for several days but told police that he had no idea that xiao wei was under-14.

police decided not to press child [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charges on march 10 and the official was instead given a minor fine for visiting a prostitute.

the yibin public security bureau said sex with a 13-year-old was not a criminal offence if the person was not aware that the other was **** and the sex was consensual.

according to police, if there were evidence that lu knew xiao wei was under-14 then he would be charged with having sex with an **** prostitute, which carries a jail sentence of between three and 15 years.

the china law society (cls) said police should not just listen to the official's version of events and then close the investigation.

"does it mean anyone can get away with criminal charges as long as he claims he doesn't know the girl was ****? it is a legal loophole," wang zuofu, a cls consultant said.

wang said it was difficult to prove that a person is aware of another's age.

however if a person suspects that the other is aged under-14 before sex then they should be charged with child [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or sex with an **** prostitute, he said.

"it was very suspicious that lu paid 6,000 yuan for xiao wei if he didn't know she was **** when a local adult prostitute would only cost about 100 yuan," said wang.

Intransit

05-12-09, 05:31

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-05/12/content_7766991.htm

S. China City axes plans to ban pole dancing

DONGGUAN, Guangdong: Karaoke clubs and bar owners in this industrial hub were celebrating Monday after a potential ban on pole dancing was deleted from a new regulation.

FBosses had feared the worst when an initial draft of a new local government rule for entertainment and recreational venues barred the performances.
But the move was scrapped for the final version, which was released at the weekend.

"The initial draft to disallow pole dancing aimed to nip erotic performances in the bud," said an official surnamed Wei at the culture, broadcasting and press bureau. "But we've found no law in China that forbids pole dancing, so we decided to delete the very stipulation."

The new regulation will be in force for five years and the U-turn over the ban will be a massive boon for entertainment companies in the city, which is in Guangdong province, an area already seriously affected by the global financial crisis.

Liang Shao'ai, who runs a karaoke bar in nearby Chang'an town, was ecstatic.

He told China Daily Monday: "Pole dancing is very popular among the youth here. If the performances were not allowed our business would definitely be hit.

"Pole dancing is not an erotic performance. It is a healthy performance as long as the organizer does not make it erotic.

"At least we don't need to reshape our facility or think up new acts to attract customers. You know, the business this year is much poorer than before."

Wei said the regulation has other aspects that will prevent any erotic performances at the city's venues, including a detailed stipulation to make "all balconies transparent" to people on the street outside.

The local government will also launch a crackdown on some 200 unlicensed facilities this year, targeting illegal performances, venues with safety issues and infringements on intellectual property rights by karaoke bars.

SE Asia Joe

05-12-09, 05:52

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-05/12/content_7766991.htm

S. China City axes plans to ban pole dancing

.

Clicked on your site and read the piece and then noticed an article - with pretty dramatic pictures - about a gal jumping off a 6 storey building to save her husband:

"........A woman in Dongguan, Guangdong province, jumps from a six-story building on May 7, 2009 in an effort to prevent police from seizing her husband who was cornered in the building on suspicion of stealing power cables. The woman, who fell on the inflatable mattress prepared by the police, only suffered minor injuries. [CFP]....."

Ahhhhh.... Love China Style!! That..... guys, is how far a Chinese gal would go for her love. Western women would've definitely asked him to to jump off the building himself.... and then to go straight to hell!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

05-12-09, 06:47

I’m just wondering what happen if you get caught in china.

Will it be prison or just a nasty fine?
If you don't mind, may I offer you some (unsolicited) advise?

You're a 25 Y.O. Overseas Chinese/Chinese speaking, European resident coming over for a 2 months summer vacation in China. What ARE you doing asking about the paid mongering scene?

At your age, with your Chinese speaking abilities AND your ethnicity, you should instead first of all take in all that China has to offer - all the culture, the people, the traditions, customs, quirks etc that your ethnicity pretty well demands that you savor and treasure. Not to go to China just to experience the sordid underbelly of life at the very bottom - which basically is what the P4P scene is all about - just about anywhere in the world.

You are yourself Chinese - why would you want to only learn about that strata of society? You should instead go out and meet other people of your own age in the Universities, the English/Foreign language speaking corners, the coffee shops, tourist sites and even the bars/discos where other people of your age go to - just to have a fun evening out (and ignore the P4P scene that many times are also present). I can guarantee you that you will get all the pussy you can handle - without having to worry about being thrown in jail or getting into some other really deep shit that is forever an omnimous presence in the P4P scene.

You'd be a hit with all the regular, common gals and you'd go back home to Europe with a better appreciation of what being Chinese is all about.

Just my very humble opinion and advise - but Christ - I'd really hate for you to have your first foray into your own homeland be a sordid journey into paid mongering. China is MUCH MUCH more than just that - don't throw away this opportunity to really find out about your roots.

And again my apologies if I'm intruding too much or writing too much like a know-it-all, but this is how I see it. Peace!

SEAJ

BruceTea

05-12-09, 14:35

You're a 25 Y.O. Overseas Chinese/Chinese speaking, European resident coming over for a 2 months summer vacation in China. What ARE you doing asking about the paid mongering scene?

To offer another point of view...

Since you're here on a 2 month vacation, perhaps going from city to city on short stays and releasing all your past stress out before taking in future stress, I'd suggest you and your friend to have fun and act responsibly to the new friends (male and female) you make here. Making new friends and making a great impression is something they will cherish. No need to make your short trip a drama filled trip and leave with guilt in your head and heart. Western tv may have concepts of fuck buddy, ONS, leaving in the middle of the night and never calling, etc. All fair in love and war, but hey, in China, girls are very immature in love (yes, the L word) and you may cause intense emotional scarring. And I'm sure you'll be hanging with the 18 to 23 crowd who both you and your friend will prey on with easy triumph.

In short, if you two want to get your rocks off, do the WGs. After dry and "reasonable" go back and have a fun time with the female friends. Be responsible, be gentlemanly, be charismatic, and most of all, be good to the females in China.

Have fun, and report after your two months in CN.

Red Ice

05-12-09, 21:27

I have post a question about what happen if I get caught in china in this forum recently. Instead of an answer I got this.

If you don't mind, may I offer you some (unsolicited) advise?
You're a 25 Y.O. Overseas Chinese/Chinese speaking, European resident coming over for a 2 months summer vacation in China. What ARE you doing asking about the paid mongering scene?

At your age, with your Chinese speaking abilities AND your ethnicity, you should instead first of all take in all that China has to offer - all the culture, the people, the traditions, customs, quirks etc that your ethnicity pretty well demands that you savor and treasure. Not to go to China just to experience the sordid underbelly of life at the very bottom - which basically is what the P4P scene is all about - just about anywhere in the world.

You are yourself Chinese - why would you want to only learn about that strata of society? You should instead go out and meet other people of your own age in the Universities, the English/Foreign language speaking corners, the coffee shops, tourist sites and even the bars/discos where other people of your age go to - just to have a fun evening out (and ignore the P4P scene that many times are also present). I can guarantee you that you will get all the pussy you can handle - without having to worry about being thrown in jail or getting into some other really deep shit that is forever an omnimous presence in the P4P scene.

You'd be a hit with all the regular, common gals and you'd go back home to Europe with a better appreciation of what being Chinese is all about.
Just my very humble opinion and advise - but Christ - I'd really hate for you to have your first foray into your own homeland be a sordid journey into paid mongering. China is MUCH MUCH more than just that - don't throw away this opportunity to really find out about your roots.
And again my apologies if I'm intruding too much or writing too much like a know-it-all, but this is how I see it. Peace!
SEAJ
I don’t want to start a fight at this forum but I must say a few things:
First of all I just want to make clear that I don’t give a damn about people think that I’m too young for p4p. I will not wait to I reach the "mongering age". And I don’t think that I’m the only 25 year old who are interesting for some p4p action. Before I even knew this forum I and my friends have the p4p as a backup plan, if we don’t get any luck whit ordinary girl. But after I have read the Beijing forum I have change my mind. Now I must try the fire and ice BJ, red rope and pick a girl from a line of beautiful girls. And who says the mongering isn’t a part of the culture.

Secondly I just want SE Asian Joe to know that I travel to china because I want to feel the culture, get know the people and traditions. I won’t lock in I’m my room and have “fun” whole day. If I just want to have “fun” I and my friends will travel to pataya (Thailand), who are the city for mongering, and it will be much cheaper.

Lastly I just want people in this forum knows that I’m thankful if you guys pm me about how much you pay for street girls, ktv and sauna. And where can I found cheap places in Beijing. And yes I and my friend have the opportunity to travel to a other city in china and want some advice where we can go.

Thanks for your advice and I'm looking forward to post my experience in Beijing forum. But I have heard about the have block this forum in china and I just want to know if it’s possible to go around this problem.

Red Rock II

05-13-09, 07:43

Red Ice,

From what you just posted, I don't see that you appreciate the valuable advices given by senior members. The advice that SEAJ gave you would be the advice he would give to his youger brother if he had one. You sound that you know what you are doing. Well, fine. It is your life, and it is your business. Go ahead. Remember, when you laugh, eveyone will laugh with you, but when you cry, you cry alone.

What I just wrote, take it or leave it. Pleas do not fight with me. If you do, I swear, I will not write a single word back. From your response to Joe's post, I already feel that Joe's wasting his time and heart in writting to you.

I am not kissing SEAJ's ass here. I am quite frank with him about what I like and what I don't like about his posts.

SEAJ,

Please don't get me wrong. I don't like too much of the disscussion about the hair/hairless pussy in China Woman Opinion and Advice Thread, but it doesn't mean that I don't like W.T. I just never get one. May be I was just jealous and got pissed off when I saw you lucky dogs exchange experience in getting W.T. LOL!

RR

Sammy_T

05-13-09, 11:16

First of all I just want to make clear that I don’t give a damn about people think...But after I have read the Beijing forum I have change my mind. Now I must try the fire and ice BJ, red rope and pick a girl from a line of beautiful girls. And who says the mongering isn’t a part of the culture.Red Ice:

I also think SE Asia Joe's advise was well intended. You have something that every single one of us would like to have, but can never get back - youth. Once you enter the world of P4P your whole perception changes. I have often wondered how different my life might be had I not taken that first girl. I certainly would have a lot more money in my pocket!

At the same time, BruceTea is correct that "normal" Chinese girls fall in love much easier than their western counterparts. Of course, if you are up front with them and let them know you are not looking for anything serious you can certainly find one night stands. Just don't lead the girls on in order to get into their pants. You never know when a brother, father, or uncle will come after you!

To answer your initial question - if you get caught with a Chinese prostitute then you are looking at a fine (could be up to 10,000 RMB), at least a week in a Chinese jail, and deportment. Your passport will also be stamped preventing you from ever being granted another Visa to enter China in the future.

Regardless, don't bother contacting me for help when you are in Beijing. Based upon your attitude I don't have time for the likes of you.

Sammy

Jamie5063

05-13-09, 16:13

I have post a question about what happen if I get caught in China in this forum recently. Instead of an answer I got this.

Blah blah

I don’t want to start a fight at this forum Your right and have a point.

People I feel have been a bit hard on the young guy we have a certain amount of power prestige and money that makes us look attractive They say 1m is worth 10 years, I'm not even born yet. (sadly only in RMB)

I just got a number of a young girl about in her 20s a slow day only one, I will treat with respect because I know and she already knows I'm married but if I was younger I would be like a kid in a candy shop here.

Red Ice the girls here will fall in love with you and jump of buildings probably because there parents put so much s*** in there heads that they must succeed and send the lazy C***s money because that is the culture here sorry to say.

So be careful I had a heartbroken girl whose parents have moved in rent free, ask me if a man can tell she is no longer a virgin by looking at her face he was 50 when he took it she was 20 she asked if he was married no he had a partner a small point lost in translation.

Women here get treated like S$$t so we teat them like gods even when we try not to. Be careful and always remember the difference in culture and remember for the money life is to short and them p4p4 honeys are hot fun and worth every cent man. Even for you. Would recommend it have fun.

Old Mean Dog

05-14-09, 08:16

I don’t want to start a fight at this forum but I must say a few things:

Red Ice, SEAJ likes to act like the godfather of young ABC's coming to China for mongering. His advice is good, but way overboard for someone coming to China for just a couple of weeks.

I say, bang as many as you can afford and physically have the stamina for. Why the hell would you want to waste precious vacation time on courting some good girl and not being guaranteed some trim?

Do it all, BBS, SW, Sauna, KTV. All I ask of you, is to write some good reports about your trip!

I wished I could be more helpful, but I do not know the prices in Beijing and is far as cops are concerned, just use some common sense and don't start any trouble.

-CPE

SE Asia Joe

05-15-09, 11:54

I have post a question about what happen if I get caught in china in this forum recently. Instead of an answer I got this.

I don’t want to start a fight at this forum but I must say a few things:
First of all I just want to make clear that I don’t give a damn about people think that I’m too young for p4p. I will not wait to I reach the "mongering age". And I don’t think that I’m the only 25 year old who are interesting for some p4p action. Before I even knew this forum I and my friends have the p4p as a backup plan, if we don’t get any luck whit ordinary girl. But after I have read the Beijing forum I have change my mind. Now I must try the fire and ice BJ, red rope and pick a girl from a line of beautiful girls. And who says the mongering isn’t a part of the culture.

Secondly I just want SE Asian Joe to know that I travel to china because I want to feel the culture, get know the people and traditions. I won’t lock in I’m my room and have “fun” whole day. If I just want to have “fun” I and my friends will travel to pataya (Thailand), who are the city for mongering, and it will be much cheaper.

Lastly I just want people in this forum knows that I’m thankful if you guys pm me about how much you pay for street girls, ktv and sauna. And where can I found cheap places in Beijing. And yes I and my friend have the opportunity to travel to a other city in china and want some advice where we can go.

Thanks for your advice and I'm looking forward to post my experience in Beijing forum. But I have heard about the have block this forum in china and I just want to know if it’s possible to go around this problem.
I know what I want and I want it now!!! RIGHT NOW!!!.

OK - message received loud and clear.

Good luck to you

SEAJ

Pita123

05-16-09, 17:01

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8053596.stm

China builds first sex theme park

China is building what is billed as its first sex theme park, aimed at improving both the sex education and the sex life of its visitors.

Due to open in Chongqing in October, Love Land will include displays of giant genitalia, naked bodies and an exhibition on the history of sex.

The park will also offer sex technique workshops and safe-sex methods.

Among the attractions is a giant rotating statue of the lower part of a nearly naked woman.

"Sex is a taboo subject in China but people really need to have more access to information about it," the park's manager, Lu Xiaoqing told the China Daily state newspaper.

"We are building the park for the good of the public. I have found that the majority of people support my idea, but I have to pay attention and not make the park look vulgar and nasty."

He was inspired to build the park after a visit to South Korea's popular sex theme park in Jeju.

Critics say Love Land is a vulgar concept, and that the Chinese people are not ready to talk publicly about sex.

"These things are too exposed," Liu Daiwei, a Chongqing policewoman, was quoted as saying by the China Daily.

"I will feel uncomfortable to look at them when other people are around."

Zhuren

05-18-09, 13:13

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8053596.stm

China builds first sex theme park

The park has been torn down over the weekend.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-05/18/content_7785408.htm

OldAsiaHand

05-24-09, 08:30

I know what I want and I want it now!!! RIGHT NOW!!!.

OK - message received loud and clear.

Good luck to you

SEAJ

Red Ice,

SEAJ was just trying to open your eyes to the possibilities for you as a young overseas Chinese on the mainland. He tends to do that with many young guys with Chinese ethnic backgrounds. I am certain he had no malicious intentions at all. The problem was the attitude you copped about it.

SammyT is correct. P4P is another realm. I have been doing since before you were born and have blown a fortune, as well. Yes, it is fun while it lasts, but it certainly cannot compare to the feeling of meeting a freebie for the first time, courting her and getting into her pants, albeit without leading her on if your intentions are not long term.

Since you have a couple of months, I reckon you can have the best of both worlds. Use your youth to make friends and find some freebies; time spent with them will be much more enlightening than pros for you to learn about life and culture on the mainland. On the other hand, try the P4P scene with a clear understanding of its risks and limitations. It can be addicting as hell as many of us can attest to.

Just my POV.

OAH

Blacklisted

05-24-09, 13:30

Yes, it is fun while it lasts, but it certainly cannot compare to the feeling of meeting a freebie for the first time, courting her and getting into her pants, albeit without leading her on if your intentions are not long term.

OAH

OAH, I was struck by the way you mention 'without leading her on if your intentions are not long term'.

As the highly experienced mongerer and womaniser that you are, why did you add this phrase to the end of your advice to Red Ice? Is there a particular story or stories which have led you to make this kind of statement?

My reason for interest is that I have found myself recently doing some leading on with a few young ladies, rationalising that is be all 'part of the game'. They lie to us, we lie to them and in the end hopefully both parties come away with something they want.

I think that it does seem that the really hot girls almost need this kind of bullshit to actually give guys a chance.

Keen to hear your thoughts!

-BL

OldAsiaHand

05-24-09, 14:20

OAH, I was struck by the way you mention 'without leading her on if your intentions are not long term'.

As the highly experienced mongerer and womaniser that you are, why did you add this phrase to the end of your advice to Red Ice? Is there a particular story or stories which have led you to make this kind of statement?

My reason for interest is that I have found myself recently doing some leading on with a few young ladies, rationalising that is be all 'part of the game'. They lie to us, we lie to them and in the end hopefully both parties come away with something they want.

I think that it does seem that the really hot girls almost need this kind of bullshit to actually give guys a chance.

Keen to hear your thoughts!

-BL

BL,

Yes, from my experience, when you tell a potential freebie that you are married, you lose a lot of opportunities. When you don't, you run the risk of complications if she finds out later on and decides to cause trouble. I have been tracked down and the wife found out twice. I suppose if you just go to a bar and pick up a freebie for an one night stand, it does not matter and the subject may never even come up. On the other hand, if you lie about the possibility of a long term relationship to get in her pants, it is not fair and can get nasty. You had better just go the P4P route.

Now I am not saying that I always offer the truth in advance if not asked, but I normally spill the beans if confronted directly.

I remember meeting a girl in Shenzhen a few years back. She was selling cars. I was in the showroom late and offered to take her out for dinner.
She told me that she never asks personal questions. We ended up having a little fling for awhile until we got bored of each other. She may have been married too for that matter. I never knew since we never discussed it.

Other than that, I am upfront with all the freebies I do on a regular basis. I may be missing some very hot ones, but I sleep better at night.

Just my POV.

OAH

Blacklisted

05-24-09, 15:00

Bnlee2

05-25-09, 00:44

BL,

Yes, from my experience, when you tell a potential freebie that you are married, you lose a lot of opportunities. When you don't, you run the risk of complications if she finds out later on and decides to cause trouble. I have been tracked down and the wife found out twice. I suppose if you just go to a bar and pick up a freebie for an one night stand, it does not matter and the subject may never even come up. On the other hand, if you lie about the possibility of a long term relationship to get in her pants, it is not fair and can get nasty. You had better just go the P4P route.

Now I am not saying that I always offer the truth in advance if not asked, but I normally spill the beans if confronted directly.

I remember meeting a girl in Shenzhen a few years back. She was selling cars. I was in the showroom late and offered to take her out for dinner.

She told me that she never asks personal questions. We ended up having a little fling for awhile until we got bored of each other. She may have been married too for that matter. I never knew since we never discussed it.

Other than that, I am upfront with all the freebies I do on a regular basis. I may be missing some very hot ones, but I sleep better at night.

Just my POV.

OAHOah

I'm usually very selective the freebies that I pickup. That is the reason why I tend to choose the trophy wives that are kept by busy businessmen that ignore them right after they acquire them. They could be wives or gfs. I prefer them because they are much less sticky and would have a tendency not to track you down. I prefer to maintain affairs atleast one ocean away (live in US). The only situation that I had was one freebie had already stash enough (mucho bucks) from her husband and wanted to ditch him and told me that she may have enough (which I do not doubt her) to maybe replace the loss settlement if I divorce my wife. She was hot but I felt that she was just a bit on the crazy side. She maybe the type that may limit my mongering if I got together with her on a permanent basis, or even worse can be a "Lorena Bobbitt' but an asian version of her. Now that would be devastating to my health. Her husband maybe a bit "craze" if he found out what she has stash away. I actually knows of him but do not know him personally. He regularly mongers in HK with a lot of high end "biatchs".

I just found that dealing with these "loaded" married type have less maintenance than the casual ones.

BTW, what did the wifey say/do when you got caught you with goods. I find that some asian based wives looks the other way just as long as you do not rub it into their face. When you rub it in their face, causing them to lose face, that is when they becomes a bit crazy.

Just my 2rmb on this. You know my niche in the China market.

DayNight

05-25-09, 06:13

I just wonder, are there any lower cost Viagra alternatives in China? I mean something from a pharmacy and not some obscure sex-shop-under-the-counter stuff?

I think the originals costs around 300 or so.

I bought some generics from India which did work well, but seem to loose power now due to age (the pills, not mine).

I Thailand I once bought some generic Cialis (I think brand was Kamagra) which worked also well.

Freebies

I have been tracked down

The key is not to give out any traceable data. Get a fake name, cards and a mobile number just for "friends". You need to generate a plausible cover up before you start.

PS: I added a little translation for Viagra, Cialis and Levitra. That should be helpful when in a pharmacy.

OldAsiaHand

05-25-09, 08:40

Thanks for the candid reply buddy.

Curious as to how the missus did find out on those two occasions...

Another question is, do you sleep better at night knowing there is lesser chance of getting caught, or because you have not misled someone into thinking long term when you are just after short term action?

Also, have you use a shag pad for your adventures previously? I know currently not, but wonder if you did in the past?

BL,

The first time was a Filipina I was doing in Hong Kong. I made the mistake of giving her my business card. She called my office on a weekend claiming to be a close friend and one of my clerks working OT gave her my home number. She called and the missus answered.

The second was a friend's secretary working in the same building as I was. A jealous co-worker of hers ratted me out and told my wife.

I think the good sleep is a combination. Call me old fashioned, but deep down in my heart, I do not want to trick the freebies. And, I do not like it when they get too clingy either.

I never had a shag pad. This also poses a problem if you want to lie. There is always the question of why don't you take them home. I usually try to take them away for a few days somewhere nice e.g. beach, hotsprings, etc. and stay at a hotel. Especially, the first time. After that, I do them at their places, rent a hotel room ST, even in the car. The problem I find with a lot of them is leaving after the deed. Even though they know you have to leave, there is always this feeling of desertion when you cannot spend the whole night with them. For this reason, I also try to take them along or meet them when I travel e.g. the last couple of times was in Shanghai I had freebies with me.

Just my POV.

OAH

Santa

05-25-09, 09:51

I bought some generics from India which did work well, but seem to loose power now due to age (the pills, not mine).

I Thailand I once bought some generic Cialis (I think brand was Kamagra) which worked also well.

India has a very good reputation for making western drugs.

The government in India does not recognise international patent laws regarding drugs and therefore protects these companies. This is what i have read.

Kamagra is a well known Indian brand of Viagra, it is not a copy of Cialis.

It might be that you have built up a tolerance for the medication, or maybe your medical condition has deteriorated. Maybe, just maybe, it's you and not the pills.

Some of us on this forum have privately discussed this very same topic.

One member of this forum, who is a doctor, has recommended switching between Cialis and Viagra and maybe periods without, so as to help avoid developing a tolerance.

Just my 2 cents.

OldAsiaHand

05-25-09, 11:55

One member of this forum, who is a doctor, has recommended switching between Cialis and Viagra and maybe periods without, so as to help avoid developing a tolerance.

I have started switching between the two myself but find myself building a tolerance for both of them. I use the Kamagra from India, Santa gave me some and I also bought the same thing in Thailand. It works OK for me. I used the generic Cialis from Thailand but did not have good luck with it. I use genuine Cialis from Hong Kong.

I use Viagra for just one pop or one evening. It used to last all night for me and I had trouble keeping it down. Now if I take one at 4:00PM, it does not work again at 11:00PM. The consistency is gone.

I use Cialis if I need 2 days. The first day is fine, but it is less effective on the 2nd day.

I/ve also noticed an increase in the time for onset over time.

Just my POV.

OAH

DayNight

05-25-09, 12:01

Kamagra is a well known Indian brand of Viagra, it is not a copy of Cialis.

Then it was something else. It was definitely the Cialis type that I bought in Thailand. It worked for a few days. I guess the Kamagra is then what I got online. It's round, white pills.

It might be that you have built up a tolerance for the medication, or maybe your medical condition has deteriorated. Maybe, just maybe, it's you and not the pills.

I think the pills have deteriorated. I seldom use them, I usually have lots of activity without them, and if, then only with "friends". That is just a few times a year. I forgot when I bought them, must be a few years ago. A few years of probably too warm storage. (at this point I don't want to rule out "built up a tolerance". To give a quantity figure, I bought 30 (I think) and still have 13 - they must be at least 3 years old now.)

Anyway, I hope to find something matching in China. I would also buy online, if they promise to stop sending me those 100 emails a day, but I doubt that will happen.

Blacklisted

05-25-09, 18:00

BL,

The first time was a Filipina I was doing in Hong Kong. I made the mistake of giving her my business card. She called my office on a weekend claiming to be a close friend and one of my clerks working OT gave her my home number. She called and the missus answered.

The second was a friend's secretary working in the same building as I was. A jealous co-worker of hers ratted me out and told my wife.

I think the good sleep is a combination. Call me old fashioned, but deep down in my heart, I do not want to trick the freebies. And, I do not like it when they get too clingy either.

I never had a shag pad. This also poses a problem if you want to lie. There is always the question of why don't you take them home. I usually try to take them away for a few days somewhere nice e.g. beach, hotsprings, etc. and stay at a hotel. Especially, the first time. After that, I do them at their places, rent a hotel room ST, even in the car. The problem I find with a lot of them is leaving after the deed. Even though they know you have to leave, there is always this feeling of desertion when you cannot spend the whole night with them. For this reason, I also try to take them along or meet them when I travel e.g. the last couple of times was in Shanghai I had freebies with me.

Just my POV.

OAH

Sorry to hear about the hassles with getting busted. That must have truly sucked.

I do understand your reasons for not wanting to trick the freebies. I also prefer to be upfront and honest, but if it was a sure thing it just becomes a 50/50 chance, so not sure I can fess up all the time.

The shag pad is definitely a great help in terms of backing up the lie, but I know exactly what you mean about leaving them in the night to go back home again. That is even harder with a shag pad.

Thankfully most girls just don't ask about marriage and such I have found, probably prefering not to know. But some of the young hotties seem to have a pretty firm agenda and do not want to waste time fucking about with married guys.

From my experience it seems they need to reach about 24 before sex becomes a true pleasurable experience for them worth it just for the act itself. Anyone else find that to be the case?

I will probably play a bit of deception and see if guilt gets the better of me as I don't think I can resist what's on the burners at the moment.

Thanks for the candid advice buddy!

-BL

Santa

05-25-09, 18:56

Then it was something else. It was definitely the Cialis type that I bought in Thailand. It worked for a few days. I guess the Kamagra is then what I got online. It's round, white pills.

I think the pills have deteriorated. I seldom use them, I usually have lots of activity without them, and if, then only with "friends". That is just a few times a year. I forgot when I bought them, must be a few years ago. A few years of probably too warm storage. (at this point I don't want to rule out "built up a tolerance". To give a quantity figure, I bought 30 (I think) and still have 13 - they must be at least 3 years old now.)

Anyway, I hope to find something matching in China. I would also buy online, if they promise to stop sending me those 100 emails a day, but I doubt that will happen.

I have bought Kamagra from XLPharmacy.com They claim to be a canadian company, but the mail comes from India.

Friends I gave them to all agreed that they seem to be the same as the original Viagra. Have received them in both shapes, round white pills and triangular blue. Never tried the Cialis.

The issue regarding tolerance is controversial. I did a Google search and found the manufacturers claim there is no problem with guys developing a tolerance, but some guys on this forum have insisted that they did develop a tolerance. The manufacturers say that such claims must be because their medical condition has deteriorated and they need to switch to a higher dosage. For financial reasons it would be in their interest to say so, so who knows what is true.

About a year ago i read a very interesting story in the NYTimes about counterfeit Viagra. The drug companies private investigators found knockoff Viagra being sold in western drugstores, being sold as the genuine artical. They said it was a perfect knock-off, even right down to the hologram on the packet. It was being smuggled and distributed through Dubai, and being sold around the world in massive quantities. Western pharmacies were selling them without knowing they were counterfeits. They traced it back to China but were unable to go directly to the source.

So, I think there are perfect counterfeits being sold in China, but i think there are lots of other knock-off. So how do we know which are good and safe?

Since it is legal to copy and sell western drugs in India I think that is the best source. Some guys prefer to buy the legal pills in HongKong, but even then how do you know for sure it's not another knock-off.

Finally, the medical experts agree that the best way to solve this problem is to stay healthy. Good diet, lose weight and exercise.

Tiger 888

05-26-09, 10:25

...Finally, the medical experts agree that the best way to solve this problem is to stay healthy. Good diet, lose weight and exercise...Very true. I haven't even seen one of those pills except on pictures, and I will definitely not eat one. The same goes for any other kind of medicine except antibiotics in a really serious case.

Santa

05-27-09, 00:43

Since it is legal to copy and sell western drugs in India I think that is the best source.

I have just learned that India changed its generic drug laws in 2005. Generics made in India prior to 2005 are still legal, but all newer drugs are regulated by international patent laws.

Pcpc1688

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Lao Ma

05-31-09, 13:16

I agree with CSun and Fast Eddie - it's not so easy to pick up freebies in China, unless you speak the language and/or are here for at least 3-4 weeks. At least in the major cities. There are tens of thousands of foreigners in most big cities in China, so I can't say a whole lot of ladies are going to be "eager" to have casual sex with someone they can't talk to or get to know over time. There is little novelty or uniqueness to a white guy visiting, and if you are a black or brown guy, most of the girls will be afraid of you.

Either pay to play or go to Manila, Jakarta, or maybe even KL and try your luck. I've had some good luck in KL and it's an awesome city in an awesome country.

Freebies can be done but the best way if you want to go that route is to do advance work and hit the internet dating sites. Read the forums for details on those.

Sammon

05-31-09, 14:53

Guys,

I would like to start my first trip to China but its a huge country and I am not sure which place should I start with.

My criteria is body figure the the ability to get a free babes.

I like to pickup ladies from streets, malls and coffee shops unfortunately Thailand is too commercial and I am looking for places with eager ladies.

I am a photographer and I will be glad to post my "work" as soon as I will be back.

Jp

There is no such thing as freebies for the casual visitor. You may get lucky with some rich older women at the disco. But once again you pay for drinks, food etc.
I " dated " a girl who said her parents are Doctors in Shenzhen. 23 years old and quite pretty. Met her at Mcdonalds. Always wanted to take city bus to go anywhere instead of taxi. Never asked for money but I had to pay for everything. Only problem was her parents come first for her and if her parents ask her to go with them that is it. Even though we had made plans she will cancel it. This control included how long she can stay with me in any perticular day. She will get a text message saying her parents are going for a massage and she had to go with them. She will drop everything and run.
I got tired of this and got myself another sweet massage girl. This girl was with me all the time except when she was working. But I did pay her for clothes , phone etc.
Only way when you get a normal GF in china is if you live in China and have an apartment.

OldAsiaHand

05-31-09, 14:54

My criteria is body figure the the ability to get a free babes.

I agree with the initial consesus here. It is not as easy to pick up freebies as some of the posts on this forum may make it sound even if you do speak Mandarin.

I would also suggest that you start with some online chatting first to find some prospects before arrival. I do know guys that have been relatively successful this way but it is a time consuming numbers game. And, don't expect to find the stunners online. They don't need to be.

I also agree that Shanghai is your best bet as far as the most open to foreigners but Shanghai women can be pretty clever. You are not going to be able to pull anything over on most of them. You may want to target girls from nearby provinces that are living in Shanghai.

Just my POV.

OAH

Loveasiangirls

05-31-09, 17:01

It is not that difficult to get freebies in China even as a traveler, the last time I counted I was up to over 60. However they require some warming up. I have never picked up any or even tried to at Starbucks on other public places. I always chat them up first online, break the ice. I am almost mid 50s and most girls I met were below 35.
I now live in Beijing and find it more difficult. When I was traveling the girls knew the rules. I was only in town for a couple of days and both knew what it was all about. Now that I live there the girls often have more expectations.. I still manage to build a pretty good rolodex over the last 3 months. But I will admit it is a lot of work but I have the free time. Not everybody does.

Tiger 888

05-31-09, 18:51

I believe Eaglestar could earn a fortune by selling a manual.

Pushkin13

06-01-09, 01:37

Bnlee2

06-01-09, 02:34

Guys,

Here is my take on freebies in China. I have never found it difficult to find true freebies in China. There are two types of freebies. The type is really not a freebie. They are more like casual gf, but you still need to wine, dine and buy them stuff (shopping). I personally find that group a bit annoying. Your spending on them is equivalent to spend is the same as a P4P. Most of this group is a bit younger that just want to be able to use you to afford the finer things in life.

The second group as most of you know that I go for is a little older. Females in their late twenties to early thirties. They are either career women or trophy wives/gf/mistresses of businessmen that are usually too busy to take care of what they have acquire. This group is low maintenance in $$$ and time. They are just plain horny and lonely, a little bit of attentions that you give to them will go a long way. The presents and gifts that I got from a few of these females are astronomical. I recently received a "real" (yes, real, I had the watch appraised by a jeweler friend of mine in the states) $5, 000+ Vacheron Constantin watch from her as a birthday gift. She wanted me to spend more time with me, so she gave me a present to take back to my wife another "real" Vacheron watch for my wife, so that I can spend time with her and not spend time seeking a present for my wife. This group is very low maintenance. These gals usually have more $$$ in their purse than what you carry in your wallet. Going out in public is very seldom, all they want is a romantic evening in a high end, usually a 5 star hotel. It is really no different that taking a KTV gal back to the room and banging the heck out of her and then telling her to go home. The only difference is that you do not have to pay her after the deed. I even have a few shave their pu$$y smooth because that is how I prefer it, even though doing that in the Chinese society is a "no no" Hey, SEAJ, really, sometimes they do themselves. After your last lecture from you, I stop doing it, I just tell them my preference.

How I find these female is quite simple, usually at business social dinners, I usually checking out the gals that look beautiful and bored cause their signif. Other is too busy negotiation the next business deal. There are many ways that I find them. The cost is low and the s#x is just fantastic. Any guys wants to know more, just PM me.

As for meeting them at Starbuck, I feel that is fairly easy. Most of the gals go to Starbuck, seeking expats and english speaking soul. They feels that they are moving up having an expat/ABC bf. I did two freebies that way about three years ago. In both cases, they were much younger and they started to have me take them shopping and I could see their "blood sucking " fangs and that is when I dump their nice asses out.

Finding freebies is quite easy and never found it difficult. Just act yourself and be confident. Sometimes I find that if you don't show that you are eager, they become more aggresive and will give you the upper hand in nailing them between their legs.

This is just my two rmb on this. Good luck guys.

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DayNight

06-01-09, 03:17

Have in the past gotten those pieces of papers where the PRC Entry/Exit officers would chop their stamps on (instead of on my passport) from the gongbei/Macau border office. I've just found out that they have run out of these papers and will no longer be handing them out. Another entry point I got these papers was the Guangzhou East.
QUESTION - anybody knows where/how I can get these papers now?

Thanks
SEAJ

Answer: I don't know. But check the pix for how they looked like.

You can try to print your own. The originals format is 153 x 105mm, printed om really low quality paper, hard to find nowadays.

In the past I did print my own and just put one in the passport. Sooner or later one will put a chop on it, after that first chop the ice is broken and more wil lfollow. If you have any old forms with chops it also help to have one of those in the passport, newer guards have probably never seen them.

Tiger 888

06-01-09, 04:07

Answer: I don't know. But check the pix for how they looked like.

You can try to print your own. The originals format is 153 x 105mm, printed om really low quality paper, hard to find nowadays.

In the past I did print my own and just put one in the passport. Sooner or later one will put a chop on it, after that first chop the ice is broken and more wil lfollow. If you have any old forms with chops it also help to have one of those in the passport, newer guards have probably never seen them.It is impossible to get them stamped in Shanghai, mostly pretty easy in Luo Hu if they already have a chop on and normal in Gongbei, where I used to get them. But they don't distribute them anymore. Since the originals have a red endorsment chop on them from the border office that handed them out, I am surprised that you could use these ones.
I still have 2 empty ones endorsed, and will try next time with a fotocopy, because your post encouraged me to do so. I will report on the result.

SE Asia Joe

06-01-09, 04:52

It is impossible to get them stamped in Shanghai, mostly pretty easy in Luo Hu if they already have a chop on and normal in Gongbei, where I used to get them. But they don't distribute them anymore. Since the originals have a red endorsment chop on them from the border office that handed them out, I am surprised that you could use these ones.
I still have 2 empty ones endorsed, and will try next time with a fotocopy, because your post encouraged me to do so. I will report on the result.
YES YES YES - pelase do report back to us if you're succesful or not.

whilst on the subject - anybody here could give an opinion as to what would happen if one is "caught" using a photocopy instead of an original? I'm very sorely tempted to do the same as Tiger but am a bit worried.

Also, since they've "phased" these forms out, I wonder how much longer they will actually accept them? When I started using them I had mucho problems with using them at Huangang, Luohu and Shataujiao - even had to actually "teach" the guys at Shataujiao how to use these forms. But for the past year or so, it had been a breeze at any of the Hong Kong border crossing.

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand

06-01-09, 06:03

I believe Eaglestar could earn a fortune by selling a manual.

There is no doubt that Eaglestar gets a lot of freebies in Shanghai. I would be curious to know more details about his approach. First of all, he is a Shanghai resident, not a visitor. I wonder if he is completely upfront that all he wants is to have sex with them or if he insinuates there could be more of a relationship. The other question is even if he does make it clear, do they believe him or think they might be able to change his mind since he is single, living in Shanghai and potentially available for a long term relationship. I reckon many of the girls he does have been down the local husband/boyfriend route and are looking for something different. Most are over 30 and "over the hill" for most local guys. I find my greatest success with this demographic too.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48

06-01-09, 06:36

The best strategy, based on my experience, is the Internet and "dating sites". But it is (usually is) very time consuming.

I speak a little Mandarin and this helps.

I have only picked up once off the street and she was FANTASTIC: two days of banging in my hotel, the first time within a few hours of me seeing her walking near my hotel in Zhengzhou.

My suggestions: (i) be patient, (ii) learn a little of the language, (iii) learn some of the local expectations (small gifts, timings), (iv) and join a few dating sites and always post a photo.

My experience, happily shared.

P13Pushkin 13,

I think internet dating is a big waste of time unless you live in China, I have dated girl from AFF and Fillipina heart, most of this girl just want to meet a husband and move to the US, just P4p and move on and becareful of scam.

Fast Eddie 48

Eaglestar

06-01-09, 16:03

There is no doubt that Eaglestar gets a lot of freebies in Shanghai. I would be curious to know more details about his approach. First of all, he is a Shanghai resident, not a visitor. I wonder if he is completely upfront that all he wants is to have sex with them or if he insinuates there could be more of a relationship. The other question is even if he does make it clear, do they believe him or think they might be able to change his mind since he is single, living in Shanghai and potentially available for a long term relationship. I reckon many of the girls he does have been down the local husband/boyfriend route and are looking for something different. Most are over 30 and "over the hill" for most local guys. I find my greatest success with this demographic too.

OAH

I posted my technique a couple of years ago. It is in Report of Distinction #117. A lot has changed since then. Don't use AFF/CFF exclusively anymore as there are other sites available with 'lower hanging fruit' but the same general principles still hold.

I do make it crystal clear that I am married (wife lives in home country though so I am free to come and go as I need) and am only looking for a romantic relationship. One the other hand I certainly DO NOT say I am just looking for sex. What they believe is all over the board. I am sure some (the single ones anyway) think, as OAH suggested, that there is still some remote possibility of something more but so many I do are married I am sure it is not the case with them.

BTW my putonghua speaking skills are limited to Ni Hao, xie xie, and wo ai ni, so I do miss out on a lot of nice ladies who cannot speak English.

Generally the married ones are just looking for something they are not getting at home. Whether that is just sex, TLC, attention or what ever. I try to accommodate them.

Yup, most I get are 30+. Two basic reasons for that, 1) damn few 20 something ladies are interested in someone my age (social security recipient) and 2) I just simply prefer a lady with some experience in the sack. I have done 20 somethings but generally speaking, while they may have a "tight body" and maybe other things are also tighter, the experience of a 30 plus woman out weighs that. Further, they just seem to truly enjoy sex more than the younger ones and want to what ever they can please "their man".

Positive.... I do the same ones over and over again.

Negative....I do the same ones over and over again.

Positive.... I try to keep a 'stable' so that at any given time I will have 3 or 4 or 5 waiting in the wings, so to speak.

Negative.... It takes time to do all this sh*t but once there is a 'stable' it is not so difficult to maintain.

Positive.... I get a LOT of poontang.

Negative....Some times it is difficult to 'juggle the oranges'. Get two wanting to meet on the same day for example. I have dropped several oranges but also I have done 2 or 3 a day on occasion.

BTW, MAB has made some 'freebie' points on the Shanghai thread recently that should be well taken. I think it is post 708????

Tiger888, I like your idea. Maybe I will write a "How to do Freebies in China" manual in my retirement years.

ES

Wushu

06-01-09, 16:47

"Yup, most I get are 30+. Two basic reasons for that, 1) damn few 20 something ladies are interested in someone my age (social security recipient) and 2) I just simply prefer a lady with some experience in the sack. I have done 20 somethings but generally speaking, while they may have a "tight body" and maybe other things are also tighter, the experience of a 30 plus woman out weighs that. Further, they just seem to truly enjoy sex more than the younger ones and want to what ever they can please "their man"

I prefer women in their 30's 40's and up. 20's not unless I am desperate. T generally speaking they're too damn skinny and immature for my liking.

Lexb

06-01-09, 17:50

"Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free!" must still be stuck on board that proverbial "slow boat to China"!

Loveasiangirls

06-01-09, 22:01

Two important points in what ES says below. First is that it is a lot of work but then you can build a nice rolodex.

Secondly, do not bring up the subject of sex too quickly and too aggressively. Introduce it gradually. The key though is too weed out the ones that will waste your time but don't ask directly. Once they trust you a little it will come up. Some will start the action 5 minutes after arriving at your place but some need 2-3 dates (I never go beyond that). When I was traveling only, I considered 2-3 dates as too slow to get action. I would give priority to a "sure thing" but sometimes try to meet the one that I thought would require more time to get things moving for later.

As for the age thing, I wonder why a girl younger than my kids wants to sleep with me but it happens. I don't agree that the ones in their 30s have more experience. Often their experience is quite limited despite their age while the young ones will often experiment more. However the "older ones" are simpler to deal with and have fewer expectations other than the sex.

DayNight

06-02-09, 03:51

whilst on the subject - anybody here could give an opinion as to what would happen if one is "caught" using a photocopy instead of an original? I'm very sorely tempted to do the same as Tiger but am a bit worried.

It's not an official document. It becomes only official after it get's the chop. Again, the tricky part is to get the first chop. After that some will chop, some do not.

My forms were always blank. I never had an endorsement chop on it. I think I got most, if not all in Macau/Gongbei. Now I cross mainly a Luohu and I accept the fact that I need every 1 or 2 years a new passport. Next time I cross I and they guy is not busy I will show them an old form and ask them..... Stay tuned...

Much cooler would be those fingerprint scanners, which give you no chop at all. Just walk through. But as a foreigner you get those only at the car crossing in Huanggang.

Mock A Bee

06-02-09, 07:42

This is the posting about freebies Eaglestar was referring to
MAB

Ok, just a few words about freebies. A lot has been written already, but this is my 2 fen…

A lot has been discussed about where you find the freebies, such as social networking sites, etc. I am going to attempt to roughly categorize Chinese women based on my experience. Caveat emptor, YMMV.

Girls under 25yo can be very naive and tend to be more idealistic about finding “Mr. Right” for marriage. These girls are not particularly easy unless they perceive you as marriageable or they just want to experiment and/or have some fun. Look for office girls or party girls in clubs, and I know some of you out there hang out on college campuses. However the vast majority of girls in this group are not particularly sophisticated and often don’t make much money. Expect to pay for everything on a date, though if you don’t mind fast food, these girls can be really cheap dates. These girls are almost never very sophisticated.

Girls between 25-30yo have tremendous pressure to get married and don’t really want to waste their time playing around. Girls in this category often make bad targets because they actually want to give it one last shot at getting married before their “best before 30yo” sell-by date. Expect to pay for everything on a date. Generally not very sophisticated girls in this group.

Women/girls 30-35yo tend to start thinking they have less and less chance at getting married. The older they get the less they dwell on the fact that in China they are considered over the hill as far as marriage goes, and they tend to get back into the game more for the physical aspect of sex or companionship/TLC. These girls can still be very physically attractive with nice skin tone, pert breasts (this is why I like relatively skinny girls with small breasts, they tend to have better breasts as they age, less mass to sag!), and many can afford to spend money on makeup and nice clothes to keep their appearances up. There are many married ones in this group, who if they married young can be bored out of their mind! Many have a child, and/or their husbands neglect to spend much time with them or travel a lot for work etc. Many in this group are professionals themselves and simply can’t find the time to find a good husband. Plus they know their husbands are probably having their fun too. This is a prime target age group for finding f**k buddies. I like this group because the really sweet ones want to contribute and will actually start thinking of you as a “friend” but not quite boyfriend. They will start to offer to pay for meals and give you little gifts and actually say “thank you” for such a lovely evening out (awe! Isn’t that sweet?). There are women (many are career professionals) in this category who may actually entertain the idea of paying for a duck, which apparently is a fairly popular activity in Shanghai (sorry don’t know much about the duck scene).

Women 35yo and older have mostly given up on marriage (however not necessarily completely given up, they just know it is a long shot) but will entertain the idea of a companion and/or f**k buddy. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer attractive ones beyond 35yo (don’t get me wrong, there are hotties in this group to be found). There are plenty of MILF’s, divorcees, bored housewives, etc. who could use a good hard f**k in this group. Many of them have husbands who frequent BBS’s, saunas, KTV’s, have Er nai (second wives), freebies, etc. (hey wait a minute, this sounds like guys who read ISG!). Basically they have husbands who behave badly (hell, they probably read ISG or the Chinese equivalent!). Women in this group often have buying power and may offer to pay for the cost of going out, or they may even give you nice or thoughtful gifts. Women in this category would rather go out with a thoughtful companion (they miss the TLC) rather than just paying for a duck.

Good luck! MAB

SE Asia Joe

06-03-09, 05:50

I'm reading all this and wondering..... why anybody - especially those who comes to China only for a limited time - why they would want to waste so much time AND money trying to chase down these suppossed freebies. Whilst the paybee are so abundant, available and of so much higher "quality."

OK, if you're here for a long time and these 'ie-er-san-mai-taan" experiences gets just a bit old, then I can sort of understand - but for the short term/one time visitor -all this don't make too much sense from a result vs. effort/money stand point. Plus the paybees in China is of such different category from those found at "true sex destinations" that one can get more than a satisfying and fulfilling experience paying for sex here.

Just IMHO and like I said, just wondering

SEAJ

Eaglestar

06-03-09, 07:43

China Maverick

06-03-09, 08:18

MAB

Well categorized, just to add on my earlier experience with a freebie (she would fall in the 30-35 category - divorced) was just fantastic as she was pretty kinky in the bed. The first time we had sex; she categorically mentioned that she really missed this pleasure for 4 years before we met.

I had mentioned in one of my earlier posts about another potential freebie (she falls in the 40 to 45 category) which I couldn't close; as was travelling and now she is out for 3 months but is expected end of this month. I am not sure of the appropriate approach to talk about sex; upfront? Any ideas from the senior members but I clearly remember that she once mentioned to me casually: "As a friend I want to take care of you...blah blah" but I somehow missed that chance...nevertheless.....

Can one of the members also share inputs on the so called "Duck Scene"

Thanks
CM

This is the posting about freebies Eaglestar was referring to
MAB

Ok, just a few words about freebies. A lot has been written already, but this is my 2 fen…

A lot has been discussed about where you find the freebies, such as social networking sites, etc. I am going to attempt to roughly categorize Chinese women based on my experience. Caveat emptor, YMMV.

Girls under 25yo can be very naive and tend to be more idealistic about finding “Mr. Right” for marriage. These girls are not particularly easy unless they perceive you as marriageable or they just want to experiment and/or have some fun. Look for office girls or party girls in clubs, and I know some of you out there hang out on college campuses. However the vast majority of girls in this group are not particularly sophisticated and often don’t make much money. Expect to pay for everything on a date, though if you don’t mind fast food, these girls can be really cheap dates. These girls are almost never very sophisticated.

Girls between 25-30yo have tremendous pressure to get married and don’t really want to waste their time playing around. Girls in this category often make bad targets because they actually want to give it one last shot at getting married before their “best before 30yo” sell-by date. Expect to pay for everything on a date. Generally not very sophisticated girls in this group.

Women/girls 30-35yo tend to start thinking they have less and less chance at getting married. The older they get the less they dwell on the fact that in China they are considered over the hill as far as marriage goes, and they tend to get back into the game more for the physical aspect of sex or companionship/TLC. These girls can still be very physically attractive with nice skin tone, pert breasts (this is why I like relatively skinny girls with small breasts, they tend to have better breasts as they age, less mass to sag!), and many can afford to spend money on makeup and nice clothes to keep their appearances up. There are many married ones in this group, who if they married young can be bored out of their mind! Many have a child, and/or their husbands neglect to spend much time with them or travel a lot for work etc. Many in this group are professionals themselves and simply can’t find the time to find a good husband. Plus they know their husbands are probably having their fun too. This is a prime target age group for finding f**k buddies. I like this group because the really sweet ones want to contribute and will actually start thinking of you as a “friend” but not quite boyfriend. They will start to offer to pay for meals and give you little gifts and actually say “thank you” for such a lovely evening out (awe! Isn’t that sweet?). There are women (many are career professionals) in this category who may actually entertain the idea of paying for a duck, which apparently is a fairly popular activity in Shanghai (sorry don’t know much about the duck scene).

Women 35yo and older have mostly given up on marriage (however not necessarily completely given up, they just know it is a long shot) but will entertain the idea of a companion and/or f**k buddy. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer attractive ones beyond 35yo (don’t get me wrong, there are hotties in this group to be found). There are plenty of MILF’s, divorcees, bored housewives, etc. who could use a good hard f**k in this group. Many of them have husbands who frequent BBS’s, saunas, KTV’s, have Er nai (second wives), freebies, etc. (hey wait a minute, this sounds like guys who read ISG!). Basically they have husbands who behave badly (hell, they probably read ISG or the Chinese equivalent!). Women in this group often have buying power and may offer to pay for the cost of going out, or they may even give you nice or thoughtful gifts. Women in this category would rather go out with a thoughtful companion (they miss the TLC) rather than just paying for a duck.

Good luck! MAB

SE Asia Joe

06-03-09, 09:27

Because that is what I like Joe. You like P4P, I don't. Just a matter of preferences. You do what you like and I will do what I like. OK Lah?

ES
Hey ES - definitely not you!!

You are a master at what you do and you do it well - plus of course I do know your preference for the type of relationships you've been having.

It's the casual/occassional visitors to China that I'm wondering about and why chosing such a "hard route" so to call. I say that its so much easier to get practically true GFE with the China Ladies that at least to me - it don't make sense for a guy who's in town a couple days or even a week to invest so much of his time (more for freebies vs paybees) to bag one partiular quarry.

anyway, like I said, just wodnering

SEAJ

Boulayman

06-06-09, 05:11

Ok, this topic has most likely been talked about before but I really need to make sure

I am not in China anymore

While in China, I had sex with 8 women (7 chinese: 1 from the uber posh massage called regencia, 3 from shanghai's 999 and 3 from Lily , and one canadian, not a worker)

I always used condoms during the actual sex, but only once during bjs. Even though they were a bit small for me the upper half of my penis was always covered and I checked after the deed: they never burst.

There were only a few occasions I can think of when I didn't use the condom:

- for a hj (removed the condom but used it for the sex before)
- for a tj (removed the condom but used it for the sex before)
- the next to last time I had sex in Beijing I came as she was softly rubbing her ass against my dick so I came on her back before penetration so didn't have the opportunity to put a shield
- For all bjs except once, I didn't wear the condom

Ever since I have been back home (actually starting during the flight), I have had strong cold symptoms (very runny nose, sore throat, cough) and I heard that flu symptoms are supposed to occur within the first couple of weeks after you have been infected so I am freaking out.

I am 99.9% sure for the canadian girl and 85% sure for the regencia one (had a condom even for the bj) but when I think back on the others, I am not so sure anymore. So I wanted to know how more experimented members would feel about this situation.

FernandoAlonso

06-07-09, 03:05

Loveasiangirls

06-07-09, 03:55

Loveasiangirls

06-07-09, 04:15

Hey ES - definitely not you!!

You are a master at what you do and you do it well - plus of course I do know your preference for the type of relationships you've been having.

It's the casual/occassional visitors to China that I'm wondering about and why chosing such a "hard route" so to call. I say that its so much easier to get practically true GFE with the China Ladies that at least to me - it don't make sense for a guy who's in town a couple days or even a week to invest so much of his time (more for freebies vs paybees) to bag one partiular quarry.

anyway, like I said, just wodnering

SEAJ

I guess everybody has a different situation but let me try with my point of view.
1. I like the thrill of the hunt. Not much of that with P4P.
2. I like to be with a girl that did not sleep with 10+ guys in the last week.
3. They are usually not faking it.
4. Related to #2, I like to find underused pussy sometimes. Many never had a white guy before (I call them technically virgin) and sometimes they had no sex in a few years. They are hungry and tight.
5. I have used P4P sometimes as it is my backup. I went to Maggies in Beijing once with a friend and I found negotiating with a girl before sleeping with her sort of counterproductive. When I was quote a ridiculous price I just walk away rather than argue with her.
6. You can develop relationships with some of them and visit them regularly. I know it can be done also with P4P as I have read in some of your posts.
I agree it is a lot of work and you need to have the time. But when your ads are clear then it is quicker. They know you are only passing in town and they understand the "rules". You are leaving town in a couple of days so this is not long term. I never BS them about my intentions and make my ads clear even though I don't discuss sex explicitly with them too quickly when chatting.
Now I live in China and I meet a different kind of freebies and it can be more challenging actually. You are not leaving town in a couple of days and it can get more complicated to get rid of some of them. Some have longer term plans for you.....

OldAsiaHand

06-07-09, 04:54

I guess everybody has a different situation but let me try with my point of view.
1. I like the thrill of the hunt. Not much of that with P4P.
2. I like to be with a girl that did not sleep with 10+ guys in the last week.
3. They are usually not faking it.
4. Related to #2, I like to find underused pussy sometimes. Many never had a white guy before (I call them technically virgin) and sometimes they had no sex in a few years. They are hungry and tight.
5. I have used P4P sometimes as it is my backup. I went to Maggies in Beijing once with a friend and I found negotiating with a girl before sleeping with her sort of counterproductive. When I was quote a ridiculous price I just walk away rather than argue with her.
6. You can develop relationships with some of them and visit them regularly. I know it can be done also with P4P as I have read in some of your posts.
I agree it is a lot of work and you need to have the time. But when your ads are clear then it is quicker. They know you are only passing in town and they understand the "rules". You are leaving town in a couple of days so this is not long term. I never BS them about my intentions and make my ads clear even though I don't discuss sex explicitly with them too quickly when chatting.
Now I live in China and I meet a different kind of freebies and it can be more challenging actually. You are not leaving town in a couple of days and it can get more complicated to get rid of some of them. Some have longer term plans for you.....

As most of you know, I do a combination of freebies and P4P, albeit far more P4P.

I like the freebies for the same reasons mentioned above, plus:

1) Call me stupid, but I do most freebies bareback, whereas, I always do P4P covered.
2) It is a whole different experience doing a girl that wants to do you rather than being paid for it.

Yes, you can develop GFE relationships with P4P, but in the end it is still a commercial transaction. Try not giving them any money and see what happens.

On the other hand, I like the excitement and newness of P4P. I get bored very quickly with the sex with freebies, sometimes getting to the point where I cannot even pop every time. I almost never have this problem with P4P. In fact, sometimes it is the opposite, I pop too quickly for my liking. I almost never do LT in China and I very rarely repeat the same girl so I do not get the opportunity to develop the same type of relationships that SEAJ does. Language is another issue since, although I can get by with basic conversation, I cannot converse in Mandarin fluently enough to carry on long, complex discussions. I think the girls get bored after I have used my entire vocabulary. There are enough girls in CP for example that can speak and understand Cantonese well enough for SEAJ to take it further.

Just my POV.

OAH

Loveasia77

06-07-09, 05:00

Guys,

Bit off topic - can someone recommend good proxy that works with flickr?

Thanks in advance.

Zhuren

06-07-09, 07:44

Ever since I have been back home (actually starting during the flight), I have had strong cold symptoms (very runny nose, sore throat, cough) and I heard that flu symptoms are supposed to occur within the first couple of weeks after you have been infected so I am freaking out..

You are lucky (or not) that these symptoms occurred on the flight out. Would they have occurred on the flight in, you'd be in an isolation ward of a Chinese hospital, and the whole plane (along with the Regency crew, the Canadian etc.) would be sequestered in a hotel, courtesy of the Chinese government.

Tamiflu to the rescue.

That having been said, who shares my belief that this is a smear campaign directed at Regency, Lily and 999 ? Post your H1N1 diagnosis, then we talk.

SE Asia Joe

06-07-09, 09:05

I almost never do LT in China and I very rarely repeat the same girl so I do not get the opportunity to develop the same type of relationships that SEAJ does. Language is another issue since, although I can get by with basic conversation, I cannot converse in Mandarin fluently enough to carry on long, complex discussions. I think the girls get bored after I have used my entire vocabulary. There are enough girls in CP for example that can speak and understand Cantonese well enough for SEAJ to take it further.

Just my POV.

OAH

Good God OAH - you make it sound as if I'm the only one here who develops longer term relationships with WG's!! I'd think that there'd be more than one of me who does this!

Everybody IS different - and that even also goes for WG's who also do have their own set of circumstances, likes/dislikes/preferences - and yes, even "soft spots" in their heart.

Yes its true that I do do repeats when I enjoy the experience with a particular lady - and yes, from there, personal relationships do develop. This happens to me lots more time in China than in any other localities as I do tend to find so many more gals here who are NOT as hardened and "pro" in the way they do things, they way they think and act, their aspirations, their dreams etc. Its NOT difficult for me to feel personal connections with them - and yet, I am always aware of exactly what they are, how I had met them etc and would only allow myself to go along with them to a certain point.

Oh sure, there are times when I happen to, say like a particular gal and so wish that she would get out of the business, but its still their choice to go on with it or not. And in any case, no matter what, I always insist to pay - even though I've forgotten how many many times that these gals would refuse payments. To me, so long as they are still WG's, they are still selling their body and it would be like stealing if I do not pay them. Now, this is only for myself, IMHO, not trying to impose my values to anybody else here or anywhere - and so please don't start to flame me - OK?! Doing this will hopefully also insulate myself from any drama about broken promises, lies, misrepresentations etc - for indeed my relationship with them has always been based on a pure commercial transaction first and foremost.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

06-07-09, 09:27

If you don't kind - I'd like to comment on your points

I guess everybody has a different situation but let me try with my point of view.
1. I like the thrill of the hunt. Not much of that with P4P.
Problem with the hunt for freebies is that its such a long drawn out affair with so uncertain results, that a lot of us just don't have the time AND patience (like I said, especially for those who're in Town for a short period of time etc). And the hunt for P4P is equally if not more satisfyuing in that such a hunt usually only involves getting the BEST quality possible for your $$. Freebies - lots of times I see guys settling for second best, third or even worse - and still end up blanko!

2. I like to be with a girl that did not sleep with 10+ guys in the last week.
3. They are usually not faking it.

Ahhhhh - howzabout an overused pussy which you and only you can take to orgasm, rapture, ecstacy - and you'd be surprised to find how many of these gals are really so starved of affection (and perhaps technique etc as their customers just want to wham-bam-thank-you-mam), that when you treat them as another human being, that they respond - and respond strongly!

4. Related to #2, I like to find underused pussy sometimes. Many never had a white guy before (I call them technically virgin) and sometimes they had no sex in a few years. They are hungry and tight.
Are you ABSOLUTELY sure?? Hate to point this out - but I'd opine that most Chinese gals would rather NOT be with foreigners - and that if they do so its mostly because of desperation. And please again don't flame me for this but really, this is not anything new - Chinese ARE inherently quite bigoted.

So the circumstances is that you'd be getting a gal who most in her own community/race would classify as a sl*t who would even sleep around with foreigners - so how "under-used" would such pussy be??!! Oh - you cud say the same for a WG who would go with a foreigner - but hey - that's another whole new topic!!
(my definition - a WG is one who does it for $$, while a sl*t is one who does it - and does it often/all over the place/with just about anybody like a WG would - exceptin' that she just do it for the hell of it and not for $$ - so which is better - a WG or a Sl*t?)

5. I have used P4P sometimes as it is my backup. I went to Maggies in Beijing once with a friend and I found negotiating with a girl before sleeping with her sort of counterproductive. When I was quote a ridiculous price I just walk away rather than argue with her.
6. You can develop relationships with some of them and visit them regularly. I know it can be done also with P4P as I have read in some of your posts.
I agree it is a lot of work and you need to have the time. But when your ads are clear then it is quicker. They know you are only passing in town and they understand the "rules". You are leaving town in a couple of days so this is not long term. I never BS them about my intentions and make my ads clear even though I don't discuss sex explicitly with them too quickly when chatting.
Don't have to make all this so cut and dried - you can also inject personal 'touches' in relationships with WG's

Now I live in China and I meet a different kind of freebies and it can be more challenging actually. You are not leaving town in a couple of days and it can get more complicated to get rid of some of them. Some have longer term plans for you.....

Ahhhhh..... the perils of the freebies!!

And like I said, am not trying to inflame any passions or get anybody feel offened for their own "choice" - for after all, it IS your own choice. Am only commenting.

Pace and salutations

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

06-07-09, 09:53

It's not an official document. It becomes only official after it get's the chop. Again, the tricky part is to get the first chop. After that some will chop, some do not.

My forms were always blank. I never had an endorsement chop on it. I think I got most, if not all in Macau/Gongbei. Now I cross mainly a Luohu and I accept the fact that I need every 1 or 2 years a new passport. Next time I cross I and they guy is not busy I will show them an old form and ask them..... Stay tuned...

Nope - I ain't cut out to be a criminal!!

Crossed over Huangang and used a color photocopy of the form given out in Guangzhou East (much easier to photocopy as it's only a one sided piece of paper vs. the 2 sided one from Gongbei - which requires one to perfectly allign up both sides!!).

I even had a genuine piece of paper with me - just to show all the chops already on it! Well, in the glare of daylight, I immediately noticed the "whiteness" of my photocopy versus the more beige-y appearance of the genuine stuff and quickly put it away before the border guard ask for it to compare. He looked at my photocopy perfunctorily and proceeded to chop on it. Halelujah.... Success!!! Which is when a bit of panic started to come over me. Hell, I'm now going to have to present the same photocopy to another border guard when I leave. Oh shit!! what if he spots that its a fake then??!!

3 days passed (with little panic flashes/thoughts about my 'ungenuine' presence in China, bothering me during all kinds of odd situations/ circumstance the whole 3 days!) and here I was at the Chang Ping Train Station border area. Quickly chose who I assumed would be an easy touch - a youngish gal who seems to be junior to her other colleagues - BAD MISTAKE!!

For her supervisor then showed up - and started to examine my paper very very carefully; Holding it up to the light; snapping the paper a couple times; rubbing on the chop from Huangang (lucky - as of course that is genuine and smudged a bit - lucky in that he didn't rub on the photocopied red chop which I presume would not smudge!!)

I was literally sweating bullets under the collar and started this nonsense about how hot it is in CP, how it feels like a sauna, fanning myself, saying how much cooler it is in other parts of GZ vs. CP - must be all the tall buildings, how my face is flushed from being sun burned etc etc - anything,anything at all.... just to act normally.

Miracle of miracle - he handed the paper back to the gal and she of course just chopped on it..... and I was FREE, a Free man again !! Halellujah. Thank You God!! Thank You Buddha!! Thank you whoever you are!!

So, you figure I would use this paper again?????

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand

06-07-09, 15:43

Good God OAH - you make it sound as if I'm the only one here who develops longer term relationships with WG's!! I'd think that there'd be more than one of me who does this!

SEAJ,

Of course, you are not the only one. There are many guys that come to China and see only one particular WG the whole time they are here. I overheard some Singapore guys on a flight once talking about China KTV girls as if they were their steady girlfriends.

I am just saying that I am not able to develop this in China due to language limitations and the types of girls I do most, BBS. I suppose if I did more KTV girls, it might be different. On the other hand, I have developed longer relationships in other countries where language is not an issue. Every once in awhile, one will come along that seems special in some way and I get hooked.

Just my POV.

OAH

DayNight

06-08-09, 08:00

@SE Asia Joe
I think to make a cope is no problem. However, I would not copy and chops. Now THAT is felony! Just do the blank paper, even no need to show them, just leave it in the passport.

Freebies - since this an sex board....
I have a few MSN and QQ friends, none of them I met via sex or dating sites. So far had sex with 8 of them. The latest one is a girl from Liaoning that I chat with for about 2 years, real stunner, amazing shape. I thought we will never meet, however, she suddenly moved down to Shenzhen.

Of course we met, once, then the 2nd time we had sex. The working situation in SZ is terrible, salary is only around 1500 or so. So naturally I am ask to help a little, in cash. Usually I don't mind. The great thing about freebies is of course that it's more GF like and that you can do DATY, which I would never do with a P4P girl. So far so good, otherwise the sex is pathetic. I think she's the most boring type I ever met, she doesn't like give BJs, she reluctantly does handjobs. She likes getting orals, but prefers to lie about and telling me she doesn't like them. Now I get shopping lists for skin creams and shampoos. Should be TheBodyShop or other expensive stuff, of course I don't buy any. I wouldn't mind in exchange for great sex - but now I think I let it fade out.

SE Asia Joe

06-08-09, 08:16

SEAJ,

Of course, you are not the only one. There are many guys that come to China and see only one particular WG the whole time they are here. I overheard some Singapore guys on a flight once talking about China KTV girls as if they were their steady girlfriends.

I am just saying that I am not able to develop this in China due to language limitations and the types of girls I do most, BBS. I suppose if I did more KTV girls, it might be different. On the other hand, I have developed longer relationships in other countries where language is not an issue. Every once in awhile, one will come along that seems special in some way and I get hooked.

Just my POV.

OAH
Got nuthin' to do with where they work or language ability etc - out of the 4 I regularly see these days, 2 are from the Swan Lake, 1 was a Crown Prince Dj who now works as a make-up gal and the other one I met on her second day/was her first take-out customer at Virgin KTV but who's now/ been doing a regular job all along. out of the 4, two hardly speaks any Cantonese - (but I guess manage in my Pai-Tung-Hwa!!).

Naaahh... it's what one "puts" into the relationship that matters most. If you treat them as just another human being, I'd say the majority of them will FIRST give you their best service (which is my main motivation actually), AND secondly, it becomes so natural for them to develop a personal relationship with you.

On the other hand, I also know guys who even though are major mongers, still also do have hang-ups - in that they think they are somehow 'superior' to these gals and thus cannot make themselves to treat these gals aS JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. oH THE COMPLICATIONS OF THE HUMAN MIND AND PSYCHE!!

seaj

Andreas Wang

06-08-09, 13:50

It's only remotely mongering related, but nevertheless:

When I browsed the news today I saw two American journalists have been sentenced to 12 years reeducation in North Korea. A certain Miss Euna Lee and then Miss Laura Ling. And the somehow the face of the latter looked a bit familiar. Looked it up a little and then:

Same Laura Ling as we had posted about here some while ago - 738398

As a reminder: Back then she tried to do a little report on the sex industry in China. While clumsy, naive and pretty much off the mark I found her piece of work pretty amusing back then. Maybe because it was so clumsy, naive and off the mark.

Seems she did not wise up too much since then and again got herself into troubles. No matter how she exactly got into that mess this time around but ending up as a political bargaining token of North Korea isn't exactly amusing anymore, no matter how I look at it.

No snarky remarks from me on that matter - my 100th post to Miss Ling and Miss Lee.

SE Asia Joe

06-09-09, 06:44

@SE Asia Joe
I think to make a cope is no problem. However, I would not copy and chops. Now THAT is felony! Just do the blank paper, even no need to show them, just leave it in the passport.
Do you have one of these papers without the red chop already stamped on it? I've only got one from Guangzhou East (one sided) and one from Gongbei (two-sided) but BOTH of them are alreay chopped by those ubiquitous-in-China red stamp by the issuing office.

If you do have an unstamped paper, I'd appreciate it if you could scan it for me to print out. Thanks

Freebies - since this an sex board....
I have a few MSN and QQ friends, none of them I met via sex or dating sites. So far had sex with 8 of them. The latest one is a girl from Liaoning that I chat with for about 2 years, real stunner, amazing shape. I thought we will never meet, however, she suddenly moved down to Shenzhen.

Yowich!! TWO years???!!!
Man - that's what I call perseverance!! (and such a waste of time and effort whilst you could have spend such time much more productively by just popping a WG beauty which would have been 100% to your spec - and perhaps even building up a relatiionship with?)

Of course we met, once, then the 2nd time we had sex. The working situation in SZ is terrible, salary is only around 1500 or so. So naturally I am ask to help a little, in cash. Usually I don't mind. The great thing about freebies is of course that it's more GF like and that you can do DATY, which I would never do with a P4P girl. So far so good, otherwise the sex is pathetic. I think she's the most boring type I ever met, she doesn't like give BJs, she reluctantly does handjobs. She likes getting orals, but prefers to lie about and telling me she doesn't like them. Now I get shopping lists for skin creams and shampoos. Should be TheBodyShop or other expensive stuff, of course I don't buy any. I wouldn't mind in exchange for great sex - but now I think I let it fade out.

And how is it a true Feebie if you still need to "help a little, in cash"?? And since she ain't no sex machine - why even bother? After all, you ARE still paying her for sex.

Like I said, in trying to get freebies, I see lots of guys having to settle for second best, third or even worse..... and the expenses are not only gonna mount up - from my experience with freebies, they usually pop out of the clear blue sky and when one is least inclined to want to pay.

Just IMHO and observation which I hope no one takes offense to.

SEAJ

Bearsk

06-09-09, 07:12

DayNight ... Bad news. Unless she becomes a sex machine then no shampoo; either she turns into a six pack of beer or you need to press the eject button.

The latest one is a girl from Liaoning that I chat with for about 2 years, real stunner, amazing shape. I thought we will never meet, however, she suddenly moved down to Shenzhen.

Of course we met, once, then the 2nd time we had sex. The working situation in SZ is terrible, salary is only around 1500 or so. So naturally I am ask to help a little, in cash. Usually I don't mind. The great thing about freebies is of course that it's more GF like and that you can do DATY, which I would never do with a P4P girl. So far so good, otherwise the sex is pathetic. I think she's the most boring type I ever met, she doesn't like give BJs, she reluctantly does handjobs. She likes getting orals, but prefers to lie about and telling me she doesn't like them. Now I get shopping lists for skin creams and shampoos. Should be TheBodyShop or other expensive stuff, of course I don't buy any. I wouldn't mind in exchange for great sex - but now I think I let it fade out.

DayNight

06-10-09, 11:15

Do you have one of these papers without the red chop already stamped on it?

同志, you need to read my posts more careful!

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=888014&postcount=1424

Yowich!! TWO years???!!!
Man - that's what I call perseverance!!

Oh no, we are just chat friends. I never expected to see her. The sex idea only came up after she moved to SZ.

But it's really no point to bother about bad sex as long as I still have healthy hands. Not sure I will see her again, I doubt there will be improvement.

Haokool

06-10-09, 11:40

Mian Yang or Mianyang anyone?

Sorry for interrupting, but I might be moving to this town in Sichuan province, and I'm wondering A LOT about action(s)

Will a good Samaritan post feedbacks on BBS, KTV, SWG, ...

Thank you very much!!!!!!!

(PM OK as well)

SE Asia Joe

06-11-09, 08:16

同志, you need to read my posts more careful!

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=888014&postcount=1424

Oh no, we are just chat friends. I never expected to see her. The sex idea only came up after she moved to SZ.

But it's really no point to bother about bad sex as long as I still have healthy hands. Not sure I will see her again, I doubt there will be improvement.

Errrrr...... I read and re-read your post..... and still come back to the same question. Do you have a blank paper without ANY red chops on it??

I see the picture you posted and it has NO red chop on it at all. What I have is also a blank paper, BUT, it already has a red seal from the Gongbei Border office which gave me the piece of paper. NO, not any of the chops they put when one actually crosses a border but a little red rectangular chop on the upper right hand corner of the front page on the otherwise blank form.

SEAJ

Csun213

06-11-09, 16:46

DayNight

06-12-09, 02:15

I see the picture you posted and it has NO red chop on it at all. What I have is also a blank paper, BUT, it already has a red seal from the Gongbei Border office which gave me the piece of paper. NO, not any of the chops they put when one actually crosses a border but a little red rectangular chop on the upper right hand corner of the front page on the otherwise blank form.

That form is from Gongbei and I don't recall ever getting one which was pre-chopped. I always got a blank one, but that was well over 10 years ago.

Actually that form was fully chopped, I just removed them from the pix before posting it here.

SE Asia Joe

06-12-09, 09:30

That form is from Gongbei and I don't recall ever getting one which was pre-chopped. I always got a blank one, but that was well over 10 years ago.

Actually that form was fully chopped, I just removed them from the pix before posting it here.
Ahhhh.... I see.

I've been getting these pieces of papers for well over 5 years and as far as I can recall, I ALWAYS receive them with a chop in red NOT in the area where the border guards would put their chops on. These chops - as far as I understand as I don't read chinese - is the official chop of the particular issuing office. A round red one from the Guangzhou East post and a small rectangular one from the Gongbei office. It's these chops that I worry about - as I necessarily color photo copy the form INCLUDING said red chop.

Anybody here know where else I can get these visa stamp papers? Genuine ones?

SEAJ

DayNight

06-12-09, 12:35

Ahhhh.... I see.

I've been getting these pieces of papers for well over 5 years and as far as I can recall, I ALWAYS receive them with a chop in red NOT in the area where the border guards would put their chops on. These chops - as far as I understand as I don't read chinese - is the official chop of the particular issuing office. A round red one from the Guangzhou East post and a small rectangular one from the Gongbei office. It's these chops that I worry about - as I necessarily color photo copy the form INCLUDING said red chop.

Anybody here know where else I can get these visa stamp papers? Genuine ones?

SEAJ

If you have the chance to cross at gongbei just show them the form that I attached earlier and ask for an original, if they don't have one then ask them to chop that copy. Worst thing that can happen is a "no" from the guards.

Crazy Guide

06-12-09, 14:25

If you have the chance to cross at gongbei just show them the form that I attached earlier and ask for an original, if they don't have one then ask them to chop that copy. Worst thing that can happen is a "no" from the guards.

I have gotten a few of these from the Gong Bei crossing but have always gotten blank white ones with the grid (squares) for the chops. Never one with a retangular chop in the corner.

CG

Bc8000

06-15-09, 04:18

Santa

06-15-09, 04:58

BEIJING — China has issued a sweeping directive requiring all personal computers sold in the country to include sophisticated software that can filter out pornography and other “unhealthy information” from the Internet

The software, which manufacturers must install on all new PCs starting
July 1, would allow the government to regularly update computers with an ever-changing list of banned Web sites..
.
Internet bars in China may suffer some fallout from this new regulation.I also read that story in a newspaper. My guess is that every small electronics shop in China will soon be deleting that "unhealthy software" for a price.

Yellow Fever #2

06-15-09, 06:15

Crazy Guide

06-15-09, 10:57

Hello,

I've only crossed at Gongbei one time and I never saw these crossing papers. I live in SHenzhen and cross regularly to HOng Kong and hate that my damn passport fills up with worthless Chinese visa stamps.

Could someone post an image of these gongbei visa papers and does anyone know if such a service exists at any hong kong crossing point? At least I am lucky enough to have a HK travel pass but I still waste too much paper with the Chinese stamps.

Yellow FeverI got the paper from the gong bei immigration officers a few years back when I was going back and forth from Macau daily, and sometimes several times a day. After a few week, your passport pages are all used up and then they would give you these supplement pages (cards) that you could use. I think it may just be a gong bei thing. I don't know. I have never had them stamped going across shenzhen or entering via shanghai. even when I gave them these white cards, the officers at shenzhen and shanghai still would stamp my passport.

SE Asia Joe

06-16-09, 11:04

I have gotten a few of these from the Gong Bei crossing but have always gotten blank white ones with the grid (squares) for the chops. Never one with a retangular chop in the corner.

CG1. The papers probably did not have the rectangualr chop on it a few years back but as far as I can remember, at least for the aest couple or so years, its always had these chops. Please refer to the attached picture and the rectangualr chop on the paper when it was originally given out by the Gongbei visa office.

2. These forms are NO LONGER available from this Gongbei office - ran out and no plans to reprint/have avaialble in the future.

3. Guangzhou East border crossing will still issue a paper for those holding the APEC card - but these papers are only good for 8 chops or 4 visits as the reverse cannot be used.

SEAJ

DayNight

06-16-09, 11:38

BEIJING — China has issued a sweeping directive requiring all personal computers sold in the country to include sophisticated software that can filter out pornography and other “unhealthy information” from the Internet

The software, which manufacturers must install on all new PCs starting
July 1, would allow the government to regularly update computers with an ever-changing list of banned Web sites.I filter my pictures already for a number of years. It's a pass through filter, set to shaven asians, incl. lesbians and thongs. I set the filter to maximum 60Kg too.

But jokes aside, I know it's no funny matter at all. My guessing is that this campaing will be as successful as whiping out prostitution.

Crazy Guide

06-16-09, 14:45

1.The papers probably did not have the rectangualr chop on it a few years back but as far as I can remember, at least for the aest couple or so years, its always had these chops. Please refer to the attached picture and the rectangualr chop on the paper when it was originally given out by the Gongbei visa office.

2. These forms are NO LONGER available from this Gongbei office - ran out and no plans to reprint/have avaialble in the future.

3. Guangzhou East border crossing will still issue a paper for those holding the APEC card - but these papers are only good for 8 chops or 4 visits as the reverse cannot be used.

SEAJYou are right, the ones I had looked just like this one minus the retangular chop.

Guess we've all got to go get our passports stuffed full of these supplement pages from now on if we wish to frequent the umbrellas stands.

But, like if I give them one I had from a few years back (the ones w/o the corner chop), they would still chop it, right? Like they did with yours.

CG

Sammon

06-16-09, 17:33

You are right, the ones I had looked just like this one minus the retangular chop.

Guess we've all got to go get our passports stuffed full of these supplement pages from now on if we wish to frequent the umbrellas stands.

But, like if I give them one I had from a few years back (the ones w/o the corner chop), they would still chop it, right? Like they did with yours.

CGI live in Shenzen part of the year. Between going to Hong Kong and back Macao and back and other travels my passport runs out of pages quickly. So when I am in Manila i go to the American embassy and they add pages in one day with no fee.

One Eyed Man

06-17-09, 01:37

I live in Shenzen part of the year. Between going to Hong Kong and back Macao and back and other travels my passport runs out of pages quickly. So when i am in Manila i go to the American embassy and they add pages in one day with no fee.Do they just add new, blank pages, or do they swap out the expansion pages? The U.S. passport books don't look like they're meant to be very thick, especially the new ones with the RFID chips.

Yellow Fever #2

06-17-09, 02:30

Do they just add new, blank pages, or do they swap out the expansion pages? The USA Passport books don't look like they're meant to be very thick, especially the new ones with the RFID chips.It is possible to add virtually unlimited pages to US passports. They add maybe 20 pages at a time but this seems to be able to be done many times.

Unfortunately I have a Canadian passport and they are too stupid to allow additional pages. In fact they used to add pages, it is was very long folded page, roughly the length of 20 pages of additional space. You were able to add this long page ONCE as an emergency measure. You had to tell the consulate you were going to apply for a new passport very soon and you needed these pages for emergency travel. I had this done on a few of my passports.

However in their great wisdom they removed this function as few years ago. Canadians are stuck with a maximum 48 page passport (about 42 pages useable), with a 5 year validity and no chance of additional pages. I fill up a passport every 2 years. We also have rediculous rules on obtaining new passports, required a guarantor in order to apply. They say this is to protect the value of the Canadian passport, but this is really too outdated.

This is one case where being American is much better.

SE Asia Joe

06-17-09, 04:50

Unfortunately I have a Canadian passport and they are too stupid to allow additional pages. ..............However in their great wisdom they removed this function as few years ago. Canadians are stuck with a maximum 48 page passport (about 42 pages useable), with a 5 year validity and no chance of additional pages. I fill up a passport every 2 years. We also have rediculous rules on obtaining new passports, required a guarantor in order to apply. They say this is to protect the value of the Canadian passport, but this is really too outdated.

This is one case where being American is much better.YUP - my situation and sentiments exactly.

BTW - Someone wrote on the SCMP about the guarantor thing today.

Actually..... a couple or so years back, I even wrote and spoke to several personnel at the Beijing Foreign Ministry about having these "Entry/exit papers" available at the Hong Kong border entry points i.e. Huangang, Luohu etc instead of just at the Gongbei and GZE borders - and their answer after quite a bit of back and forth was that this paper was being issued strictly by the Public Security Bureau of the LOCAL government and NOT by the Foreign Ministry and thus the reason why there are none available from the Hong Kong entry points. Go figure!!

Howzabout this - how about us all organizing a letter writing effort to the newspapers - and perhaps the PRC liaison office - to request for the availability of these papers - as indeed it WOULD greatly facilitate China's effort to attract the foreign investors AND tourists. Lots of us are based in Hong Kong and Macau and we all fill up our passports too rapidly with these chops! Before I found out about these papers, I used to fill my passport up within 1-1/2, max 2 years!

What do y'all think?

SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48

06-17-09, 04:52

It is possible to add virtually unlimited pages to US passports. They add maybe 20 pages at a time but this seems to be able to be done many times.

Unfortunately I have a Canadian passport and they are too stupid to allow additional pages. in fact they used to add pages, it is was very long folded page, roughly the length of 20 pages of additional space. You were able to add this long page ONCE as an emergency measure. You had to tell the consulate you were going to apply for a new passport very soon and you needed these pages for emergency travel. I had this done on a few of my passports.

However in their great wisdom they removed this function as few years ago. Canadians are stuck with a maximum 48 page passport (about 42 pages useable), with a 5 year validity and no chance of additional pages. I fill up a passport every 2 years. We also have rediculous rules on obtaining new passports, required a guarantor in order to apply. They say this is to protect the value of the Canadian passport, but this is really too outdated.

This is one case where being American is much better.Yellow,

I have added pages to my US passport a few time, once in the US consulate in HK and is free of charge as long as the passport is not expired, they did it in one day now days I have my HKID and China permit and most country don't use stamp anymore.

Fast Eddie 48

Yellow Fever #2

06-18-09, 05:15

YUP - my situation and sentiments exactly.

BTW - Someone wrote on the SCMP about the guarantor thing today.

Saw, it thanks for the note.

Actually..... a couple or so years back, I even wrote and spoke to several personnel at the Beijing Foreign Ministry about having these "Entry/exit papers" available at the Hong Kong border entry points i.e. Huangang, Luohu etc instead of just at the Gongbei and GZE borders - and their answer after quite a bit of back and forth was that this paper was being issued strictly by the Public Security Bureau of the LOCAL government and NOT by the Foreign Ministry and thus the reason why there are none available from the Hong Kong entry points. Go figure!!

Howzabout this - how about us all organizing a letter writing effort to the newspapers - and perhaps the PRC liaison office - to request for the availability of these papers - as indeed it WOULD greatly facilitate China's effort to attract the foreign investors AND tourists. Lots of us are based in Hong Kong and Macau and we all fill up our passports too rapidly with these chops! Before I found out about these papers, I used to fill my passport up within 1-1/2, max 2 years!

What do y'all think?

SEAJ

There should in general be a frequent traveller document to enter China much like there is in Hong Kong. At least they are progressive there. This would be a national China government document. My travel pass to Hong Kong saves me passport pages and in fact now I can use my fingerprint to enter and exit HK (via airport) without seeing any immigration officer. (I don't have any HK ID, I travel on a Canadian Passport).

I think we should work on the PSB in Shenzhen, if it can be a local thing in Zhuhai, perhaps it can be a local thing here in Shenzhen too. Of all the foreigners in CHina, the ones living in the PRD region and those of HKG and Macau are the most likely to benefit from this.

BTW, I am (still but not much longer) married to China woman and we live in Shenzhen but still a little short of the 5yr rule to obtain permanent residence. For those foreigners here that have obtained permanent residence, do you get any special travel document to enter/exit China?

I would like to support a letter writing campaign to help solve this problem.

This should also be posted in the Shenzhen/Zhuhai/Hong Kong/Macau sections.

We can (possibly) make a change.

Yellow Fever

SE Asia Joe

06-18-09, 05:33

BTW, I am (still but not much longer) married to China woman and we live in Shenzhen but still a little short of the 5yr rule to obtain permanent residence. Yellow Fever

Hey Fever:
I've read about your pending divorce and suggestions that you shud get a Hong Kong Lawyer instead of a Shenzhen one.

I tend to disagree as from what I know, Hong Kong lawyers are notoriously overpaid for the crap job they do. For one, there is NO contingent fee arrangements here - and they've even got a law AGAINST any 3rd party from financing any lawsuits - plus we've got so many lawyers here that its not unheard of that a lawyer will "encourage" somebody to pursue a case EVEN if there is NO MERIT in it at all - just to get the business.

Also, I do believe that in China - money talks - and as I presume that you are the bread winner and I would think also the main asset holder in your marriage, you should "use" such Financial advantage to get a better settlement for yourself.

Also, please note the following headline from today's Hong Kong Standard
- well worth the reading I'd say

To have and to hold ...

Patsy Moy

Thursday, June 18, 2009

ADVERTISEMENT

A rich businessman has saved nearly HK$370 million after successfully persuading the Court of Appeal that his former wife had no right to a further share of his wealth through Hong Kong's legal system after a mainland court had ruled on their assets.
Yang Jun, the former vice chairman of China Motion Telecom, had earlier been ordered by the Family Court to pay his wife Ma Lin HK$378 million.

However, in a majority decision, the Court of Appeal overturned that ruling to uphold an earlier one from a Shenzhen court, which had ordered Yang to pay his wife 8.8 million yuan (HK$9.97 million) in divorce settlements.

Yang had launched the appeal to overturn the judgment of the Family Court, which had dismissed his summons to strike out his former wife's claim for ancillary relief. In allowing the appeal, Judge Peter Cheung Chak-yau said the Matrimonial Causes Ordinance empowered Hong Kong courts to recognize an "overseas divorce."

He said the power to refuse recognition "should be exercised sparingly and the usual situations of refusal are those related to fraud or dishonesty perpetrated by the overseas claimant upon the foreign court, or bias in the foreign court or other gross impropriety."

Cheung said: "In this case, when the husband applied in Hong Kong for the recognition of the Shenzhen judgment, the Shenzhen court had only dealt with part of the assets of the parties and its judgment is not capable of enforcement in Hong Kong.

"However, even if all the assets are dealt with in one jurisdiction, say Hong Kong instead of Shenzhen, the practical consequence is that the judgment will not be enforced in Shenzhen, where the wife claimed that the husband has substantial hidden assets."

Both Yang and Ma were born in the mainland and were married in Shenzhen in April 1992. They moved to Hong Kong in the mid-1990s but kept homes in both Hong Kong and the mainland.

Their first son was born in the mainland in 1992 and the younger one in Hong Kong in 1999.

The marriage broke down in 2006 and Ma filed a petition for divorce in Hong Kong on May 18 the same year.

Two days later, Yang issued a writ in the High Court claiming his wife held certain assets here.

But without Ma's knowledge, Yang also issued a writ in the Shenzhen court on October 23, 2006 claiming divorce, custody of their children and a division of their matrimonial assets valued at around 14.68 million yuan.

Ma first became aware of the Shenzhen proceedings in November 2006. In March 2007 she applied to the Shenzhen court for a stay of proceedings but was unsuccessful.

The Shenzhen hearing began on June 29, 2007, while the Hong Kong trial was set to begin on March 5 last year.

By the time the parties provided their particulars to the Hong Kong court on November 9, 2007, the Shenzhen trial was over and its judgment about to be handed down.

Ma was given four of the properties in the mainland and Yang the remaining four, with the Shenzhen court ordering him to pay his wife 8.8 million yuan within 30 days of the judgment.

In May last year, the Hong Kong Family Court held that the family assets that had not been distributed by the Shenzhen court were worth about HK$840 million, the bulk of which were assets in the mainland.

They also included assets in Hong Kong worth HK$66 million.

The lower court judge then ordered Yang to pay Ma a lump sum of around HK$378 million.

But yesterday's landmark ruling means Yang gets away with paying a fraction of that. In 2005, Yang and Ma each held half of the 54,049,500 shares of Midsino International Limited. Each also had 10.29 percent of the shares of China Motion Telecom.

In 1992, he left a pager service provider under Guangdong wireless council to build his own firm China Motion Telecom. The company had 20 million users by 1999, before the rising popularity of mobile phones began to hurt his business.

The Census and Statistics Department said the general divorce rate in Hong Kong in 2006 was 2.96 percent.

But Chan Yee-fei, a social worker in Shenzhen who deals with cross- boundary marital affairs for International Social Service Hong Kong branch, a nongovernment organization, said the 2005 divorce rate for Hong Kong-mainland couples living in Guangdong was as high as 50 percent.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

06-18-09, 05:42

There should in general be a frequent traveller document to enter China much like there is in Hong Kong. At least they are progressive there. This would be a national China government document. My travel pass to Hong Kong saves me passport pages and in fact now I can use my fingerprint to enter and exit HK (via airport) without seeing any immigration officer. (I don't have any HK ID, I travel on a Canadian Passport).

I think we should work on the PSB in Shenzhen, if it can be a local thing in Zhuhai, perhaps it can be a local thing here in Shenzhen too. Of all the foreigners in CHina, the ones living in the PRD region and those of HKG and Macau are the most likely to benefit from this.

I would like to support a letter writing campaign to help solve this problem.

This should also be posted in the Shenzhen/Zhuhai/Hong Kong/Macau sections.

We can (possibly) make a change.

Yellow Fever
I of course thoroughly endorse and support this campaign. Can we hold off on actually doing so until I get back from my annuall "Family summer in America?" Please?

And meaqnwhile. maybe build up some kind of support on this forum for such a campaign.

I'd be more than satisfied to be able to just get again those previously available thru Gongbei papers (where they'd stamp the PRC entry/exit chops on - and thus NOT filling up our passport pages with these huge and useless chops). But you've probably got a better idea - some kind of "Travel Pass" or?? to allow us frequent China visitors who do not have these 'Home return permits" to enter/exit without actually using the passport. Perhaps tied in to the issuance of our APEC cards?

Anyway, I should be back in these parts by the middle of July and meanwhile, perhaps you could start off the discussion - and rally support - for our cause here?

Thanks
SEAJ

Phil1980

06-18-09, 18:30

Loveasiangirls

06-18-09, 21:46

When I was in China last year this website was banned in Chinese internet cafes, this year the same thing (came back a week ago). What is the experience of others here? Since I've been a member of this website for several years I know that before about 2007 this website was readily accessible from internet cafes in Mainland China.

The site has been banned in China for a while. You need to go through a proxy server or VPN. In some high end hotels you are ok. I assume it is because they may have a VPN.

Phil1980

06-18-09, 22:00

The site has been banned in China for a while. You need to go through a proxy server or VPN. In some high end hotels you are ok. I assume it is because they may have a VPN.

This has prevented me from writing a lot of stuff from Central China on here for the last two years, since I spent quite some time in China and I'm a White Devil and only indulge in the cheap girls (mostly no more than 150-200 RMB/shot, or less if the girl is in a good mood). Might be of interest to other Whiteys in China. Like Massage with HJ for 30 RMB, with lots of youngish girls to choose from, the best value for money in China in my opinion.

I also know where to buy the white stuff ("Tina") in Central China some people like to smoke that is sold in the same establishments, but is not so highly regarded by authorities and parts of the public.

Hope to be back in China in a couple of weeks, but I guess this website will still be inaccessible from Mainland Internet Cafes, so unfortunately it's not really possible to keep in touch from public internet cafes.

Interdude

06-20-09, 02:06

FernandoAlonso

06-20-09, 06:49

Hello all,

I'm heading over to china shortly for my first time. Am I going to have to use a proxy to be able to access sites like this while i'm there? any sugestions on which to use?

thanks in advance.. just want to be prepared for when i get thereYes, do not post them here, they will be blocked if you do so, there are so many out there yoy will find one, you can even sign on services and they deliver to you fresh in the morning.

Can be shared only via PM

Eaglestar

06-20-09, 14:04

Hello all,

I'm heading over to china shortly for my first time. Am I going to have to use a proxy to be able to access sites like this while i'm there? any sugestions on which to use?

thanks in advance.. just want to be prepared for when i get there

Proxy server or VPN is the only way I know to get around the fire wall. Just do a search for servers or VPNs. It is not good to post them here as LE can then find and block them.

ES

Yellow Fever #2

06-21-09, 02:35

Hello all,

I'm heading over to china shortly for my first time. Am I going to have to use a proxy to be able to access sites like this while i'm there? any sugestions on which to use?

thanks in advance.. just want to be prepared for when i get there

VPN service cannot be blocked in China. If China blocked VPN service, many business could not function, so it is not an option.

I used to use Witopia (www.witopia.net) with the OpenVPN service. Last year it abour $40, this year they have raised the price for the same service to $60 so I did not renew. Instead I found another COMPLETELY FREE VPN service called ALONWEB which I have installed and it works fine. There are occassional advertisements and it is slower than Witopia but for the few times I need it (mostly ISG) it is good enough. It works well enough for reading the web and it is free, easy to use and install.

You've got nothing to lose. In fact you can have many VPN services installed at the same time using OpenVPN, when you connect, you get to choose the service you want to connect.

I also have several proxy servers that I use at other times. I agree that it is not wise to post these publicly.

PM me for more details.

Yellow Fever #2

06-21-09, 18:19

Posted yesterday in China Daily newspaper. Very scary statistics. Although the article does not give details on the rate of HIV in prostitutes and certainly it is much less than in the gay community, it is still a very serious risk of our hobby.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-06/20/content_8305084.htm

Gay men HIV cases quintuple in Shanghai
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2009-06-20 10:15

Incidence of HIV/AIDS cases involving men who have sex with men has risen fivefold in Shanghai over recent years, medical experts report.

They made the comments at a science forum in Beijing on Thursday designed to raise public awareness of the disease.

Shanghai, the largest metropolis in eastern China, is now carrying out an intervention and education campaign to combat HIV transmission through unsafe sex, they were quoted as saying by Friday's Shanghai Daily. Health authorities are researching the prevalence of HIV/AIDS among gays, bisexuals and female sex workers.

The Shanghai Center for Disease Control and Prevention began surveying gay males in 2005 to find out more about their sexual behavior and to discover their HIV/AIDS or syphilis infection rate.

The incidence of syphilis from 2005 to 2007 remained around 12 to 13 percent, while HIV/AIDS increased every year. The incidence rate was 1.5 percent in 2005, 4.1 percent in 2006 and 7.5 percent in 2007, according to the survey. Data from 2008 is not yet available. According to the survey, more than 60 percent of the respondents had more than one male sexual partner.

"The increase in HIV/AIDS cases involving male-to-male sex is a challenge for almost all Asian countries," said Kang Laiyi, an AIDS expert at the Shanghai Center for Disease Control and Prevention. "Society is becoming more tolerant of gays and bisexuals, and intervention and education for this group should be intensified."

The local CDC has a 1,000-member team working with people such as drug users and sex trade workers who practice high-risk behavior.

More than 276,000 HIV/AIDS cases have been reported in China, with more than 45,000 new cases last year. Experts estimate about 700,000 people are infected with HIV in China, including 85,000 AIDS patients.

Shanghai has reported 3,947 HIV/AIDS cases.

Phil1980

06-21-09, 18:52

More than 276,000 HIV/AIDS cases have been reported in China, with more than 45,000 new cases last year. Experts estimate about 700,000 people are infected with HIV in China, including 85,000 AIDS patients.

Very low percentage compared to the US, which has more people infected absolutely with a much lower population.

Yellow Fever #2

06-22-09, 02:09

Very low percentage compared to the US, which has more people infected absolutely with a much lower population.

What scared me was not the absolute number claimed by China but the fact the 7% of the homos in Shanghai had the virus. If some of the homos are in fact bi sexual and pass it to the pros, there could in potential be 1% of the pros with HIV too.

I know I like BB sex and I take too many risks but it can be a scary thing.

Please also check this article found this morning on CNN discussing this very thing in Shenzhen, the link to the post is:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/06/19/china.aids.prostitutes/
or
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=895557&postcount=3177

Sammy_T

06-22-09, 07:54

More than 276,000 HIV/AIDS cases have been reported in China, with more than 45,000 new cases last year. Experts estimate about 700,000 people are infected with HIV in China, including 85,000 AIDS patients. Shanghai has reported 3,947 HIV/AIDS cases.

Am I the only one who doubts the Chinese Goverment's numbers? Through my jaded eye I imagine the numbers are double what are actually being reported.

Sammy

Phil1980

06-22-09, 10:52

Am I the only one who doubts the Chinese Goverment's numbers? Through my jaded eye I imagine the numbers are double what are actually being reported.

Sammy

pssssht, there are probably lots of "patriotic" Chinese internet spies reading this government secret, earning a living reporting such critical comments to authorities. They must be really proud of what they're doing, little Stasi pimps.

Eaglestar

06-22-09, 19:57

Info from US Dept. of State for what it is worth to pass along to anyone living in China having visitors or anyone planning to visit China.

June 19, 2009

The Department of State alerts U.S. citizens to the quarantine measures imposed by the Government of China in response to the 2009-H1N1 pandemic that may affect travel to China. This Travel Alert expires on September 30, 2009.

Current quarantine measures in China include placing arriving passengers who exhibit fever or flu-like symptoms into seven-day quarantine. Although the proportion of arriving Americans being quarantined remains low, the random nature of the selection process increases the uncertainty surrounding travel to China. The selection process focuses on those sitting in close proximity to another traveler exhibiting fever or flu-like symptoms or on those displaying an elevated temperature if arriving from an area where outbreaks of 2009-H1N1 have occurred. We have reports of passengers arriving from areas where outbreaks have occurred (including the U.S. and Mexico) being placed in precautionary quarantine simply because they registered slightly elevated temperatures.

In some instances, children have been separated from their parents because either the parent or the child tested positive for 2009-H1N1 and was placed in quarantine for treatment. This situation presents the possibility of Chinese medical personnel administering medications to minors without first having consulted their parents.

The Department of State has received reports about unsuitable quarantine conditions, including the unavailability of suitable drinking water and food, unsanitary conditions, and the inability to communicate with others.

Travelers to China are reminded that all foreign travelers, including U.S. citizens, are obliged to follow local procedures regarding quarantines and any other public health-related measures. The U.S. Embassy will be unable to influence the duration of stay in quarantine for affected travelers. The Chinese government will not compensate people for lost travel expenses. Travelers to China are urged to consider purchasing travel insurance to protect against losses in the event they are quarantined.

For more information on U.S. Government policy during a pandemic, and for travel safety information, please see the State Department’s “Pandemic/Avian Influenza” and “Remain in Country” fact sheets on www.travel.state.gov. Further information about 2009-H1N1 Influenza, including steps you can take to stay healthy, can be found at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control website at http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/, the U.S. Government pandemic influenza website at http://www.pandemicflu.gov, and the World Health Organization website at http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html.

U.S. citizens are strongly encouraged to register with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate through the Department of State’s travel registration website. By registering, American citizens can receive the Embassy’s most recent security and safety updates during their trip. Registration also ensures that U.S. citizens can be reached should an emergency arise either abroad or at home. While consular officers will do their utmost to assist Americans in a crisis, travelers always should be aware that local authorities bear primary responsibility for the welfare of people living or traveling in their jurisdictions.

Clandestine782

06-28-09, 23:13

But hear me out:

I am reading articles about male prostitutes in China.

It says that some of them service men and some of them service women (bored housewives).

I know that there are Russian prostitutes working in China (a lot of them are pretty disgusting, but Chinese people don't understand that blond hair and blue eyes are not necessarily beautiful-- but I digress).

By extension, there could be foreign male prostitutes working in China servicing bored housewives.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/may/07/china.theobserver

Do any of you guys have any idea of how big the market is for men who service women?

This really is mind blowing (that there are women in China who actually pay for sex-- given that the country has a 20% excess of males). But if a newspaper found it happening often enough, then it may be a sizable market.

Comments on this? If any of you guys wanted to sell yourselves to women for sex (instead of the other way around), have you thought about the logistics of actually making sales? (A lot of women want assume that all foreign guys have big equipment and want to be stuffed with it. I also know that a lot of Chinese men don't give oral sex, and that could be another selling point for foreign men.)

Loveasiangirls

06-28-09, 23:24

The excess of men is not that great and to the extent that there are more men than women, these "excess men" tend to be uneducated farmers. Not what a lady with money is looking for.
If you wish to get in that business you'd better speak Chinese. There will be a ton of competition for you from other white guys willing to do it for free!!!

But hear me out:

I am reading articles about male prostitutes in China.

It says that some of them service men and some of them service women (bored housewives).

I know that there are Russian prostitutes working in China (a lot of them are pretty disgusting, but Chinese people don't understand that blond hair and blue eyes are not necessarily beautiful-- but I digress).

By extension, there could be foreign male prostitutes working in China servicing bored housewives.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/may/07/china.theobserver

Do any of you guys have any idea of how big the market is for men who service women?

This really is mind blowing (that there are women in China who actually pay for sex-- given that the country has a 20% excess of males). But if a newspaper found it happening often enough, then it may be a sizable market.

Comments on this? If any of you guys wanted to sell yourselves to women for sex (instead of the other way around), have you thought about the logistics of actually making sales? (A lot of women want assume that all foreign guys have big equipment and want to be stuffed with it. I also know that a lot of Chinese men don't give oral sex, and that could be another selling point for foreign men.)

Phil1980

06-29-09, 00:16

Comments on this? If any of you guys wanted to sell yourselves to women for sex (instead of the other way around), have you thought about the logistics of actually making sales? (A lot of women want assume that all foreign guys have big equipment and want to be stuffed with it. I also know that a lot of Chinese men don't give oral sex, and that could be another selling point for foreign men.)

There may also be the option of finding a regular Chinese girlfriend and then having her work either in a normal job or as a WG while you live in her apartment of the money she makes. Just go ahead and find a girl in China, move in with her, tell her how you can't really be bothered to go out and make a living, because of Chinese labor laws etc. and then have her bring in the cash for you.

Chocha Monger

06-29-09, 01:42

There may also be the option of finding a regular Chinese girlfriend and then having her work either in a normal job or as a WG while you live in her apartment of the money she makes. Just go ahead and find a girl in China, move in with her, tell her how you can't really be bothered to go out and make a living, because of Chinese labor laws etc. and then have her bring in the cash for you.
I can imagine being a duck is a lot harder than it sounds. It seems that the women want conversation too, so like Loveasiangirls said you'd have to be fluent in Chinese to the point that these women find you entertaining. Then what happens if you get an older ugly woman who wants DATY and multiple pops? If you don't make her happy she'll complain to your pimp and you'll probably get the shit beaten out of you. Men have a hard time getting it up for women they're not attracted to and multiple pops are more difficult to pull off with age. Being a duck is probably a very short career.

Phil1980's idea sounds a lot more practical. You'd have to do the house work and keep her happy though. That doesn't like a very secure profession.

Clandestine782

06-29-09, 03:30

The excess of men is not that great and to the extent that there are more men than women, these "excess men" tend to be uneducated farmers. Not what a lady with money is looking for.
If you wish to get in that business you'd better speak Chinese. There will be a ton of competition for you from other white guys willing to do it for free!!!The excess of men is VERY GREAT. If you look at the ratio of the population between 15-64, it is something like 118:100. But that hides the fact that that includes people who were born before the one child policy (when the sex ratio might have been at least a bit more normal). So, if you ask students today at university (where I have taught before), they will say that the sex ratio is more like 130:100-- and this is consistent with what a lot of articles that I have read have said. (This topic has been VERY well studied, as imbalances of men are thought to have bigger security implications than anything else in Asia-- including North Korea.) From the China Daily: http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2002/1024/fo5-1.html. Comments from the CCP: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-01/23/content_789821.htm

There may also be the option of finding a regular Chinese girlfriend and then having her work either in a normal job or as a WG while you live in her apartment of the money she makes. Just go ahead and find a girl in China, move in with her, tell her how you can't really be bothered to go out and make a living, because of Chinese labor laws etc. and then have her bring in the cash for you. This was asked as a serious question. If you don't have anything to contribute, why don't you just be quiet? The reason that I was asking this is because I was trying to get some more concrete information about freebies. I know that when women come over and have sex with a guy, they are not afraid to ask you to drop them some change. I wonder (if there is such an excess of lonely women) could it work the other way. You get finished satisfying a married/ lonely woman and then you ask her something like "Hey, Baby. Do you think you could float me a bit of bread?" If they are willing to pay for gigolos, then they might be willing to let go of a bit of money for a REAL boyfriend/ fuck friend.

Santa

06-29-09, 06:09

Male prostitutes in China, as most of you know, are called "ducks".

Well, I have read some interesting stories about these guys in Japan. The story is that most of them do not have sex with the ladies, since that is not what these japanese ladies are looking for. These ladies are looking for a very handsome guy to give them a romantic evening out. The guy must have a very nice car and clothes, and wine and dine them at an expensive restaurant, including flowers and champagne, photos, and then a goodnight kiss.

She discretely pays the agency. And she pays very big bucks!

I suspect it is similar in China. These ladies are not looking for good head and a good fuck. I think they are only looking for the romantic fantasy with a handsome and charming guy, and a very nice evening out.

Zhuren

06-30-09, 04:55

The excess of men is VERY GREAT. If you look at the ratio of the population between 15-64, it is something like 118:100. But that hides the fact that that includes people who were born before the one child policy (when the sex ratio might have been at least a bit more normal). So, if you ask students today at university (where I have taught before), they will say that the sex ratio is more like 130:100-- and this is consistent with what a lot of articles that I have read have said. (This topic has been VERY well studied, as imbalances of men are thought to have bigger security implications than anything else in Asia-- including North Korea.) [Deleted by Admin] If the topic is well studied, then you didn't do the studying. The sex ratio in the 15-64 year segment in China is not 118:100. It is 106:100, very much the average. Since you are too challenged to look it up: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_sex_rat_15_64_yea-sex-ratio-15-64-years.

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According to http://www.photius.com/rankings/population/sex_ratio_at_birth_2008_0.html - source, the CIA factbook - the male/female ratio at birth in 2008 was 1.11 in China. The world average is 1.05. Armenia tops the list with 1.16. India ranks before China with 1,12. There is no country on the planet that has a 1.3 ratio at birth. [Deleted by Admin]

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Clandestine782

06-30-09, 05:11

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I didn't say that I wanted to be a duck, just that I was trying to get an idea of the number of women who were sexually neglected.

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Are you really telling me that you are going to not believe what the China Daily says? It's the government's official paper, for fuck's sake!

As far as the topic being well studied: I give you another reference. Emily Oster is a PhD in Economics who tried to attribute the sex imbalance to Hepatitis rates. She later backed off of it. But the issue WAS NOT whether the imbalance existed, but what was the mechanism for it.

Honestly: Chinese people have been killing female babies since the time of the first emperor. What makes you think they would stop now? (Do I need to note that the Roman Empire has come and gone in that time? Or that the Crusades have started and stopped and yet people there still have not figured out that if every man wants to have a wife that there must be at least as many men as women? 2,300 years since QinShiHuang and no signs of ever figuring this out.)

You just won't give up on that senseless drivel, won't you? You lost that argument in the China Women section -- and now you perpetrate the same lies here. If the topic is well studied, then you didn't to the studying. I sincerely hope you stopped teaching - which would explain your interest in becoming a duck. Hard data in China Women. Last number, then I throw up my hands in desperation:

According to http://www.photius.com/rankings/population/sex_ratio_at_birth_2008_0.html - source, the CIA factbook - the male/female ratio at birth in 2008 was 1.11 in China. The world average is 1.05. Armenia tops the list with 1.16. India ranks before China with 1,12. There is no country on the planet that has a 1.3 ratio at birth. I wish you all the best in the duck business.EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general.

Phenyl

06-30-09, 08:33

Fellas, let's tone it down. Yikes.

There is a party line that there is no real gender imbalance, and China is great. There are other sources that say otherwise. If China Daily is reporting a gender imbalance, well, that says something. In poorer countries (of which 4/5 of China is...) there are norms about the relative value of a baby boy / baby girl. Boys grow up to work and support the family. Higher economic worth. So it is no surprise that India also has an imbalance. Armenia? Who knows. Attrition through war? Bad records? WTF?

Anyone ever wonder why only GIRLS are adopted from China? Hmmm.

Anyway, no need for flames on this one. Believe whichever argument you want, it really doesn't have any impact on what this forum is all about. Both Clandestine and Zhuren have made excellent contributions (this thread perhaps excepted). I would suggest both get together in Beijing and decide whether it is better to enjoy Mongolian woman or discuss gender ratios in China...

Best to all -

Phenyl

Have you had to work at being such an asshole, or is it a genetic gift?

Weelock

06-30-09, 14:41

There are many news reports and documentaries and statics on the imbalance of girls to boys as a result of China's one child policy. Just a small percentage is a huge number for 1.3 billion people.

I was watching another documentary called, "China's Stolen Children". There is a huge demand for kidnap young girls and baby girls. Baby girls are often kidnapped and sold. While some are not kidnapped but just sold. When brought, there are raised to be wives to baby boys when they both get older. People know it will be almost impossible to find a wife and they are preparing for the possible outcome in the future in a poor village.

One couple wanted their baby sold to western people. I guess they felt a little guilty and don't want their baby sold and growing up in a poor village.

Because there is a lack of girls, young girls are kidnapped to be brides in little small villages. Does anyone want a wife for 40,000 RMB?

You just won't give up on that senseless drivel, won't you? You lost that argument in the China Women section

Clandestine782 never lost the argument in "China Woman Section". Most members don't want to argue over something trivial like this. I added my comments in the "China Woman Section" and you don't need to have the last words or post to prove a point.

I agree with Clandestine. He never said he wanted to be a duck. I recall only one person asking info about being and wanting to be a duck, "One Wing Low".

I have disagreed with Clandestine a few other times over the years but not this time on China's One Child Policy and being a duck. On the hand, for Clandestine using some swear words was a little uncalled for.

Loveasiangirls

06-30-09, 15:14

A 1.1 to 1 ratio makes more sense to me than 1.2 from what I read. 1.1 to 1 is already quite large. Remember this whole preference of boys over girls happens mostly in the countryside not in cities.
You comment reminds me of a list I saw. It is called "you know you've been in China too long when...." ...you believe that the China Daily is a reliable source of news!!!!

Zhuren

06-30-09, 18:14

Csun213

06-30-09, 22:22

In my opinion, it doesn't matter what the ratio of men vs women, if you are a low education, poor dirty farmer, you are not going to get the girl. If you are wealth, high education man with a good paying job, you will have to fight off the women. It is the same in every country.

Weelock

06-30-09, 22:33

The always reliable CIA factbook has the latest stats:

Sex ratio:

at birth: 1.1 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.13 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.91 male(s)/female
total population: 1.06 male(s)/female (2009 est.)

The world average is 1.05 male(s)/female at birth.

The China Daily article was from 2002 and referenced a 2000 census.

There are many other reports and documentaries besides China Daily stating the imbalance. So you don't trust any of the following:

Wall Street Journal
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ch/Age_distribution

National Geographic Documentary called, "China lost Girls".

www.linktv.org Documentary
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ch/Age_distribution

NationMaster.com
http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ch/Age_distribution

The BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7000931.stm

"China's Stolen Children" Documentary by HBO

wikipedia.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
"According to a report by the State Population and Family Planning Commission, there will be an estimate 30 million more men than women in 2020, potentially leading to social instability"

There are many other reports:

Do you have any other reports besides the CIA and UN. It seems you trust the CIA. Do you think the Chinese Communist Party or the CIA will always tell the truth ? For the UN, it is a very political place.