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Do you have any other reports besides the CIA and UN. It seems you trust the CIA. Do you think the Chinese Communist Party or the CIA will always tell the truth ? For the UN, it is a very political place.
I know, if the statistics don't fit your notions, doubt the source.
FYI, I had cited Nationmaster before. Also, for your edification, Nationmaster = CIA Factbook (sometimes, with a delay ...)
"The idea for NationMaster arose as I was surfing around the CIA World Factbook. It's a great read but I felt the individual figures (like number of TV's, or kilometres of coastline) didn't mean much on their own. They'd be more illuminating if they were placed alongside other countries and shown relative to population.
So I decided to put together a website that allowed users to generate graphs based on numerical data extracted from the Factbook. "
Personally, I trust hard numbers straight from a reliable source more than a lurid story with an agenda. Neither the CIA nor the UN conduct their own census. At the end of the day, they need to rely on official government data. They are just a bit more careful in aggregating them than, say, National Geographic. If you don't trust a census (and they have their flaws) then all that's left to you is to do your own one. Start counting.
Cooler Wolf2
07-01-09, 23:00
If you don't trust a census (and they have their flaws) then all that's left to you is to do your own one. Start counting.
I really don't want to get involved in this but thought this might interest all parties.
The 2000 census was actually not completed - abandoned mid way through. Various reasons were given, shifting population etc. Most of the figures quoted by central government are extrapolations based on incomplete data.
Most foreign government sources i.e. embassies in-country will quote the total population figure now as nearer 1.6Bn as opposed to the official figure of 1.35Bn.
I believe (though could be wrong) the last complete census was carried out in the mid-1980's (1985?).
The 2000 census was actually not completed - abandoned mid way through. Various reasons were given, shifting population etc. Most of the figures quoted by central government are extrapolations based on incomplete data.
Very true. Anybody who lived and worked here for a while knows that hard numbers are hard to come by. Not because of cheating. Simply because of a lack of systems and the overwhelming numbers. Published population of Beijing for instance is all over the map, between 7 million and 20. Take what suits you.
I confirm the total population estimate. Conservative numbers are 1.5 bln
Now back to the topic of ISG: Anybody noticed a lack of women?
Clandestine782
07-02-09, 06:12
Using one's senses as a guide is not helpful in this sort of situation because they suffer from availability bias. (That is to say that you will make your conclusions based on what you can see at some cross section of time/ space, but that does not mean that it's an average.) An example is that: You might think that all of China looked like Shenzhen/ Shanghai/ Beijing because if you go to any point in any of those cities, they all look about the same. But that is not the case for all of China, and you would be wrong if you thought that it was.
People in China have been killing their baby girls for millennia. Why is that supposed to change now JUST because it's the 21st century? (The only difference is that they are now able to use amniocentesis to find out the sex of the baby before birth so that they don't have to drown or strangle the child if it is brought to term and happens to be a girl.)
People in China have been killing their baby girls for millennia. Why is that supposed to change now JUST because it's the 21st century? (The only difference is that they are now able to use amniocentesis to find out the sex of the baby before birth so that they don't have to drown or strangle the child if it is brought to term and happens to be a girl.)Sorry disagree there is so much we read goes on here according to the west is wrong. Most is caused just by the finance the size of the females and the choice of doing it without the guilt or the big hangup of the situation boy or girl. The other part the feminists and religion people miss is the guys divorce the girls mother and pop out another until the boy comes out so that's maybe two girls too one boy. The women today are earning just as much and perhaps more clever so will they start killing the males soon. Anyway no offense to anyone, just my opinion lets get back to the fun.
OK, I am DEFINITELY NOT getting involved in this but...
...can I make a polite suggestion?
If this author has decided to provide unwanted publicity before, is flaming him like this really a good thing?
The polite suggestion is to edit the previous post.
Agreed. Jonathan Haagen says he "writes for the Economist Intelligence Unit, China International Business, Newsweek Select and China Daily." With these assignments, especially the last - government owned - one, Haagen has better tools and sources than just Google. It may not be the smartest thing to start a flame war with him, especially when one already has enough online vulnerabilities.
Speaking of which, I would advise strongly against any political comment in this forum about China. One, we are guests in this country and should behave like guests. Be it a private party or a political party - you won't get invited back if you pick a fight with your hosts, it's as simple as that. Two, we should respect their sensibilities - they are few and are simple to understand.
Again, this forum was wide open for years, and nobody cared about where who found which girl. When the political comments started, Haagen's article appeared. It should have been heeded as a warning. It was not. Forum blocked.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
I had to ask around at the office what a "Sha Bi" is, and people turned crimson. Finally, someone told me it's a "stupid c*nt" When I protested, I was told it could also mean "douchebag." Ok, I've been called that before.That's assuming he meant sha3 bi4, stupid evil, but then again, it could also be sha1 bi4, strong shark. Both bi4 ofcourse have a different Chinese character.
This also teaches the problem with pinyin and the Chinese language right off the hook: The meaning of most spoken words and those written in pinyin can only be understood when seen in the context of the conversation one is having.
Oh. And while on the topic of animals (shark): don't feed the trolls.
DoItUnderwater
07-06-09, 18:39
Enough about Clandestine. Please stop.
Let's get out there and find some sexy ladies to talk about.
I am flying to Shanghai today and am looking forward to doing some more "research."
Be safe all.
If he gets that far. In the run-up to Oct 1, visas are coming under higher scrutiny than before the Olympics. Nutjobs that spread anti-Chinese propaganda may not apply.
Agreed. Getting boring. Too easy.
Loveasiangirls
07-07-09, 15:41
You don't speak Chinese. So you can't be a Mainland Chinese guy. Instead you just might be good ol' American white trash! Where are you from? Arkansas? Mississippi? No wonder the hostility! I know that a lot of guys like you get really angry because of so many black spades fucking so many white women in the States. You really need to get your dick sucked in the worst way (I can deduce this from your tone/ activities). Spending all that time looking up people's information on the internet! I will pray for you!This guy just won't give up. This is getting less entertaining. Time to move on.
This guy just won't give up. This is getting less entertaining. Time to move on.Agreed. Racism of any kind has no place in this forum. It's not funny at all. He should increase his medication.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
JacksonThe problem is that this forum seems to be blocked by the Great Firewall of China, so basically we can at present just curse at one another while not in China and can't communicate any effective infos on the sex trade while in China, at least that has been my experience.
In every internet cafe in China I have been in since last year this forum has been blocked.
The problem is that this forum seems to be blocked by the Great Firewall of China, so basically we can at present just curse at one another while not in China and can't communicate any effective infos on the sex trade while in China, at least that has been my experience.
In every internet cafe in China I have been in since last year this forum has been blocked.
If people would have refrained from using this forum as a platform for political propaganda that has nothing to do with ISG's mission statement, ISG would still be open. I had warned many times that political statements could get the forum blocked. They did not end, forum blocked.
Clandestine782
07-09-09, 07:58
little fella, that the Chinese authorities may have had OTHER reasons to block the ISG than just the political comments? (Since you started screeching about this, I am only responding to what you have posted-- since you have made yourself a Moderator.)
Um, could it have something to do with the fact that there are prices for what you can do with Chinese women for some price? Chinese dignity IS NOT for sale. And I can imagine--am almost sure, in fact-- that the thought of "these big nosed yang guizi coming here and buying our women" was enough to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off one particular male censor (who doesn't have a woman of his own--due to the shortage discussed that raised your dander so much) to block the whole site.
How many other sites are there with political commentary that the PRC doesn't care about? The WSJ, for one, is available at all points in China-- and they are not complementary to the regime. (They just published an article today about the unrest in Xinjiang-- BY ONE OF THE DISSIDENTS THAT THE PRC BLAMES FOR THE UNREST.) If some of the political things that they have published don't get them banned, then I don't know what will.
Zhuren, you have more advice to give than anyone than I have ever seen that has posted something like 800 posts about paying for sex. Do you think you should direct your energy toward securing freebies, Bubba Joe? Facebook is equally blocked in China. Do you think the censors waded through HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of posts to evaluate their content and judge if they were sensitive enough to block the site? (Compare this to the cost of reading a few articles from WSJ each day--that is not blocked.)
I guess I should not use any more analysis to try to make my points. It will probably have your face as red as your neck in the following posts (as will be evidenced by more screechy posts).
Yellow Fever #2
07-09-09, 09:29
If people would have refrained from using this forum as a platform for political propaganda that has nothing to do with ISG's mission statement, ISG would still be open. I had warned many times that political statements could get the forum blocked. They did not end, forum blocked.
I cannot believe that this site is blocked in China because of any even minor political comments. The majority of this site is about sex, procuring girls etc. I think it is appropriate to put some general comments about China in the ISG forum 'General Info' under the country China. Nearly all sites with similar sexual themes to ISG are blocked in China even if there is not much or any China content.
Prostitution is against the law in China even though it is practiced too freely and openly. China is a little hypocritical. If you are looking for a BBS area in a new city, ask a local where the police station is. I have commonly found BBS around police stations.
There plenty of sites critical of the government such as WSJ, NYT, BBS, CNN that are not blocked. It would be too embarrassing for the government to block such sites (even though in the past it was done) as it may drive away business in this country. In some ways China is opening up.
ISG is small fish and was blocked out of Chinese ban on pornography in general. Perhaps some government officials were using it too often.
Use this forum for what is was designed for, finding women for sex. I think the C782 statement of a women imbalance in this country is probably accurate in some areas, especially in the country side. In fact it may be too accurate possibly even an understatement of the severity of the problem, statistics in China are very imprecise. Hard to believe China government statistics - they tell you what they want you to believe.
The statement by C782 started a flame war that got unnecessarily nasty. I think it is time that C and Z both gave it up - maybe you both should find a woman, probably not a good idea to share the same woman. There must be better things for both of you to do.
My turn to put out some sexually related political comments:
I read somewhere on the internet several years ago that the US government estimates that the are at least 250,000 prostitutes in Beijing alone.
I've been to the forbidden city in Beijing. My officially government certified tour guide told us that the Emperor had many concubines and most he would see just once. He also mentioned that most emperors died young from sexually transmitted diseases. I guess this was state sanctioned prostitution.
Prostitution may be illegal but many families live from the proceeds in the country side. Girls have something to do and are not unemployed. Unemployed people and underemployed people are not good for social harmony.
Sometimes the girls are forced into this job (and held captive) but I think most do this out of necessity and some do it out of preference. Some do it for extra money.
Why should sex between consensual adults be a bad thing? We should protect young people from sex by educating them properly but let them make their own decisions when they are old enough. Prostitution by adults as a career is a choice. Exploitation of minors is a crime.
Many men who cannot find a wife or girlfriend can find an outlet for themselves. Even married men do. Business people and government officials use prostitutes as a way to build relationship and maintain friendships and complete business transactions. The majority of the prostitutes in China are NOT FOR THE FOREIGNERS BUT FOR THE LOCAL CHINESE PEOPLE. It's all about social harmony. This is a harmonious society after all. Wine women and song, sounds like KTV.
I was told it was normal in Sichuan province for a married woman to go out and 'work' (ISG meaning of work) to earn money for her family while the husband stays home. The husband will cook and take care of the kids. Is this true? Anyone care to comment?
In China the girls from Hunan and Sichuan are supposed to be famous for taking care of their men. Any comments?
No matter how hard governments try to eliminate prostitution it will not go away. At least in China it is more open and in someways safer for everyone because of that. It's in the bible. It's not called the oldest profession without reason. I'm not saying it good but it is a fact of life.
In modern China, discussion of sex are not really allowed or open but sex still remains a good thing. Thank G-d for that at least.
This is posted from China. It is not hard to get this forum or any blocked sites in China just learn your proxies and/or get a VPN service.
Traveler1234
07-09-09, 12:17
FWIW a fellow ISG pm me this link this morning:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?postcount=707&p=902511
Just read the first paragraph re how our buddy got put in jail, blacklisted and then deported from Indonesia :D
if people would have refrained from using this forum as a platform for political propaganda that has nothing to do with isg's mission statement, isg would still be open. i had warned many times that political statements could get the forum blocked. they did not end, forum blocked.propaganda is not when someone express his opinion about society, it's when someone else tries to stop him from expressing his views or impose his vision.
sure some people expressed opinions, but by trying to stop them you contributed to make it a political issue as much as evryone else, by promoting an harmonious forum instead of a forum with freedom of speech.
my 2c, i'm here to talk about sex and i don't give a $$$$ about politics, china or any of the opinions expressed. i just couldn't help but notice.
A few days ago I read a report here that contained a link to and article published about ISG that critical of us mongers, our activies and talked about some of us, including me.
Now I cannot find the article. Can someone give me some idea where to find it?
You can PM me with the link if you prefer
ES
FWIW a fellow ISG pm me this link this morning:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?postcount=707&p=902511
Just read the first paragraph re how our buddy got put in jail, blacklisted and then deported from Indonesia :D
True. Trouble is, we've got him back in China, and he's even more frustrated: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=902634#post902634
Yellow Fever #2
07-09-09, 17:39
A few days ago I read a report here that contained a link to and article published about ISG that critical of us mongers, our activies and talked about some of us, including me.
Now I cannot find the article. Can someone give me some idea where to find it?
You can PM me with the link if you prefer
ES
ES,
I did a quick search on google using the terms, Haagen Eaglestar Clandestine782.
The original article was http://www.groundreport.com/Media_and_Tech/How-Web-2-0-is-Making-Life-Easier-For-Chinas-Sex-T
The Cityweekend Entertainment journal in Beijing also included the full text of this article with user comments: http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/china-blogger/hot-sex/?most_viewed=1
Neither of these links is blocked in China.
Yellow Fever, thanks for a calm and rational discussion of this topic. C and Z, knock it off, fellas, please. The "discussion" has become a really BSD-fest, but not over women or sex. Don't you guys have something better to do? I think it is abundantly clear that you don't like each other, have no respect for each other, and each feels somehow sullied by the other. Oh well.
For fuck's sake (literally): stop it. Get out of the schoolyard bully mode. It is unbecoming to reputation of the main protagonists, as well as their partisans.
President Hu is probably not staying up at night worrying about what a small band of foreigners, with inflated images of the importance of our little corner of the web, are doing. Probably more concerned about urumqi, keeping China free of carbon controls, that little situation in NK, and his country's well being in general.
Thanks, cheers, and no flames please...
Phenyl
I cannot believe that this site is blocked in China because of any even minor political comments. The majority of this site is about sex, procuring girls etc. I think it is appropriate to put some general comments about China in the ISG forum 'General Info' under the country China. Nearly all sites with similar sexual themes to ISG are blocked in China even if there is not much or any China content.
For fuck's sake (literally): stop it.
No argument from me. I just found a great ISG feature:
This message is hidden because Clandestine782 is on your ignore list.
Yellow Fever #2
07-10-09, 05:38
propaganda is not when someone express his opinion about society, it's when someone else tries to stop him from expressing his views or impose his vision.
sure some people expressed opinions, but by trying to stop them you contributed to make it a political issue as much as evryone else, by promoting an harmonious forum instead of a forum with freedom of speech.
my 2c, i'm here to talk about sex and i don't give a $$$$ about politics, china or any of the opinions expressed. i just couldn't help but notice.
you are right on.
discussion of politics should be open and free, this is called freedom of speech. when the government tries to limit our free speech and instead tell us what to think, that is propaganda.
zhuren, you should not be mad at our fellow mongers on this site discussing forbidden topics in china (in your opinion causing this site to be blocked), but you should be angry at the china government for limiting your speech and telling you what to think and what you can say. that is total bullshit.
i hope you are not following the 'party line'.
it has been written bros before hos, i'd like to add bros before hos before government censors and other vice cops (le).
please don't lecture us on what we can and cannot say in china. we are aware we are in china and what our limits are, not that we are happy with the limits they try to impose.
Yellow Fever #2
07-10-09, 10:15
My business visa for China (F) will expire very soon. Any recommendations to get a new 1yr multiple entry business or tourist visa?
The rules of China are always changing.
you are right on.
discussion of politics should be open and free, this is called freedom of speech. when the government tries to limit our free speech and instead tell us what to think, that is propaganda.no that's not propaganda. limiting free speech is known as censorship.
i wanted to let this go quite a while ago, but since you insist:
we need to respect the laws of the country where we live. especially as a guest. every country has its sensibilities. unless you are a total klutz, you respect their sensibilities. a german woman has a right to sunbathe nude in a public park. on the beach in the hamptons, she will get arrested, with the same fervor as in abu dhabi. you can legally smoke dope in holland, in many countries, such as brunei, india, laos, singapore, and malaysia, you hang for it. in alabama, it’s against the law to play dominoes on sunday. in indiana (and many other states) it’s against the law to have an erection in public. spitting is illegal in singapore. in china, it appears like it’s illegal not to spit. there is no law to free speech in china (i stand corrected. one isg member wrote me: "the chinese constitution does guarantee freedom of speech to its citizens. however, another clause prohibits activities that interfere with public safety.") if we don’t like it, we need to move on. free speech is not a god given right. even the us constitution needed to be amended to protect free speech. countries which have free speech on their books have their sensibilities, and their set limits. germany is (understandably) sensitive about its nazi past. say in public that you think jews were not killed in concentration camps, and you can go to jail for 5 years in germany. racist hate speech is illegal in australia, brazil, canada, denmark, france and many other countries. speech inciting the forcible overthrow of the government is illegal in the usa. libel, slander, tortuous interference limit your free speech in the us. speaking badly about the king lands you in jail in thailand. i don’t know of countries where telling lies is protected by free speech.
many “democratic” countries have more internet snooping than china. in germany, japan, and many other countries, every internet connection is recorded. there are few countries on the planet where there is not at least some kind of internet censorship. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/internet_censorship) on your way back to the u.s., homeland security can impound your laptop, your ipod, or any electronic data storage device without due cause, and give it back whenever they feel like it.
i could go on and on. i won’t.
The rules of China are always changing.The rules aren't changing. It's the level of enforcement that is adapting to changing situations. With the swine flu, troubles in border regions and the upcoming 60th birthday of China (Oct 1) visas are harder and harder to get. Currently, multiple entry 1 year F is next to impossible. The advice given is to get as much of an extension they grant you (it won't be through October) get out of town, wait for the festivities to be over, then re-apply.
Ice Dragon
07-10-09, 13:20
My business visa for China (F) will expire very soon. Any recommendations to get a new 1yr multiple entry business or tourist visa?
The rules of China are always changing.I just posted this on the living in China thread, then came across your query. Indeed the rules, they are a changin!
by Ron Cai, Erica Li and Kevin Moore, Davis Wright Tremaine LLP Shanghai Office
As China's larger cities compete to attract fresh foreign investment in the current global economic recession, Shanghai launched a pilot program on July 1 that could ease visa requirements for some foreign nationals. Under the program, qualified foreign executives and professionals whose employers are invested or registered in the city's Pudong District will be able to receive residence and work permits with validity of up to five years, along with their dependants.
Residence applicability and duration depend upon the status of a foreign executive or professional's employer and his or her long-term need to reside in Shanghai. The Shanghai residence permit is valid like a visa for entry and exit purposes and travel in China. In addition, an "F" visa (business visitor visa) of extended length is available for those who do not need to reside in Shanghai long-term.
"Highly qualified foreign talents, special talents and renowned individuals" may apply for residence permits with validity of between three and five years. Shanghai Municipal Government's Foreign Affairs Office is drafting detailed guidelines on who are qualified. Similarly, favorable measures are available for renowned foreign nationals, foreign academic leaders, high-tech foreign professionals, and foreign professionals at multinational regional headquarters, research and development (R&D) centers, and investment companies. Foreign executives and professionals of enterprises with registered capital exceeding US$3 million are also qualified.
Renowned foreign nationals
Foreign nationals who have been recognized as "Honorary Citizens" of Shanghai may apply for five-year residence permits. Likewise, foreigners who have been conferred a "Magnolia Award" from the city government may apply for five-year residence permits. Those who are "highly qualified foreign special talents and renowned individuals" are similarly qualified. This policy exclusively targets foreign nationals who have contributed significantly to Shanghai’s economic and social development.
Foreign academic leaders
Foreign academic leaders employed by national, ministerial or Shanghai city-level research institutes or universities may apply for residence permits with validity of between three and five years. In the past, permits for such individuals were only available with four years' validity.
High tech foreign professionals
Foreign legal representatives, general managers, deputy general managers and finance directors in high tech companies, foreign-invested companies that utilize advanced technology or those that sell export products may apply for residence permits with validity of between three and five years. Previously, such professionals could only apply for permits with one to two years’ validity.
Foreign professionals at multinational regional headquarters, R&D centers and investment companies
Foreign legal representatives, senior managers and scientific research personnel at multinational companies' local headquarters, R&D centers or investment companies may apply for residence permits with validity of between three and five years. In the past, such professionals could only apply for permits with one to three years' validity.
Foreign professionals of enterprises with registered capital exceeding US$3 million
Foreign legal representatives, general managers, deputy general managers, finance directors, senior managers and individual investors in enterprises (foreign or domestic) with registered capital of more than US$3 million may apply for residence permits with validity of between three and five years. Previously, permits were only available to such foreign professionals of enterprises with registered capital requirement of more than US$30 million.
Non-long-term qualified foreign professionals
If a foreign national is qualified under any of the above categories but does not need to work or reside in Shanghai long-term, and he/she is also qualified for an F visa, he/she may apply for the multiple-entry F visa with validity of two to five years. Normally, if a foreign national is qualified for an F visa, he/she may only apply for a one-year, multiple-entry F visa.
Online application for residence permit extension
It is now possible to apply online for extension of a residence permit. After online filing is accepted, the applicant can check his/her approval status. Once the notice of approval is posted on-line, the applicant may, by himself/herself or through the agency of another, visit the Shanghai Exit-Entry Administration on the date as stated on the notice to have the new residence permit affixed to his/her passport.
Possible adoption throughout Shanghai
There is a possibility that the above measures can be extended beyond Pudong to the entire city of Shanghai by 2010.
Expatriates seeking World Expo-related employment in Shanghai
Separately, as World Expo 2010 approaches, Shanghai's authorities have also announced a special policy to facilitate the entry of expatriates who seek Expo-related employment. A new "Employment Registration Form for Foreign Employees in China (for Expo 2010)" will be used. The Form and a regular work visa/permit application will need to be endorsed and stamped by the Bureau of the Shanghai World Expo Coordination (BSWEC). As such, work visa applications can be simplified into two applications: a work permit application and a residence permit application (Regular work visa application involves four applications). That means expatriates who are endorsed and receive a stamp from BSWEC can enter China on a business or tourist visa. While in China, they can then directly apply for a work permit / residence permit in Shanghai without exiting China to convert the visa status. Detailed rules and regulations are expected in the near future.
For more information, please contact Ron Cai, Partner In Charge/Chief Representative of Davis Wright Tremaine LLP Shanghai Office at roncai@dwt.com or at (8621) 6170-9500
Mr Zhuren:
I agree with Yellow Fever #2. ISG was blocked mainly because of its sexual content. Gov't politics are seldomly discussed on ISG but it seems like discussing world politics by you is the case.
There are plenty of websites about the politics on China and Korean that are not banned. In your opinion ISG was not banned because of its sexual content and political statements is why ISG was banned. Then why are a great majority of the sex sites from Thailand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore are banned in China.
Mr. Z and Mr. C both of you should stop it, don't go on, enough. The ADMIN has given a warning unless both of you want your own forum like AG and One Wing Low or be banned.
You don't need the last post to win an argument.
My business visa for China (F) will expire very soon. Any recommendations to get a new 1yr multiple entry business or tourist visa?
The rules of China are always changing.At the moment business visa is very difficult to get. Since the olympics they have not changed the rules. You still require approval from government trade authority. It is not like before when you just needed a invitation letter from a chinese company.
If you have previous multiple entry visas you can get a multiple entry tourist visa for 1 year with no problems. Now you do not need to show airline tickets or hotel reservations.
If you do not have any previous visas on record you can get only double entry visa valid for three months.
We need to respect the laws of the country where we live. Especially as a guest. Every country has its sensibilities I would be tempted to quote Nelson from the Simpsons and say "Ha ha !"
On ISG, you can find information that is not possible to get on a chinese forum, unless you want to go to jail. China tolerates KTV's and Saunas, but certainly not forums about paying for sex. So you want to avoid chinese censorship and get info about saunas and KTVS, but at he same time you want others to respect Chinese sensibilities and not talk about something because it's offending Chinese people ?
One might perceive incoherence here.
Mr. Z and Mr. C both of you should stop it, don't go on, enough.
Admonition duly noted, however, it is untimely. Mr. C has long landed on my ignore list. He's haunted by his own demons. Also, after having been arrested and deported in Indonesia, he had an unfortunate welcome in China and dropped off the RADAR. The world is at peace. No need to fan the flames again.
OldAsiaHand
07-11-09, 11:26
A friend just came back from Macau on a visa run. With a USA passport, no matter how much he pleaded with them, they only gave him a 30 day single entry visa for 1,200 RMB. A German guy was only given a 1 day single entry for 600 RMB.
OAH
A friend just came back from Macau on a visa run. With a USA passport, no matter how much he pleaded with them, they only gave him a 30 day single entry visa for 1,200 RMB. A German guy was only given a 1 day single entry for 600 RMB.
OAH
Hearing similar stories. Expect the "must go to your home country to re-apply" policy soon. Country of origin makes a difference. Mexicans had a hard time for a while. If your home country takes the wrong side in the border conflict, expect conflicts at the Chinese border ...
Hong Kong visa office will give you a double entry (30 days each), double entry (90 days each) if you were born in China. Problem is, the Wanchai visa office will sometimes give you the 2x90 days, and sometimes only the 2x30 days. It depends on their mood of the day. Travel agencies in HK can give you a better guarantee (for a price).
EDIT: Depends on what kind of passport you have too
A friend just came back from Macau on a visa run. With a USA passport, no matter how much he pleaded with them, they only gave him a 30 day single entry visa for 1,200 RMB. A German guy was only given a 1 day single entry for 600 RMB.
OAH
Yellow Fever #2
07-12-09, 07:06
Hong Kong visa office will give you a double entry (30 days each), double entry (90 days each) if you were born in China. Problem is, the Wanchai visa office will sometimes give you the 2x90 days, and sometimes only the 2x30 days. It depends on their mood of the day. Travel agencies in HK can give you a better guarantee (for a price).
EDIT: Depends on what kind of passport you have too
Originally I called a few placed listed as visa agents in China. Apparently until April 17, they could obtain a 1yr F visa without stay limitation. Now they can do nothing but play mahjong. He told me the visa situation will be difficult until after October 1 because of China 60th year anniversary. Why the hell would this matter anyways?? Why does this country have to feel so sensitive about everything? Is it really that fragile?
First it was the olympics, then another thing and another. It seems the rules can change daily and by city depending on where you do or who you see. Certainly far from ideal.
After October 1, I expect that there will be any other reason to make it even more difficult to get visas here, perhaps New Years day is another excuse or maybe 2010 Shanghai Worlds Fair. Any reason they want, they will make. To be honest I am tired of the excuses.
I called my visa agent in HKG to ask about the visa situation. They told me for nearly 6000HKD I can get a 1 yr multientry visa. That is crazy. If you have HK ID or are married to a HK ID holder you can get visa easier. Also I was told if you are married to a PRC citizen, they can help you get a 6m multientry visa for a normal fee. Otherwise you are limited to single or double entry 30day tourist or business visas if you apply in HKG.
The visa office in Singapore may be more lenient to obtain longer term visas. I will check it out, I saw links and messages about it on one of the local expat forums.
I really don't want to return to North America to get a visa for this country. It seems really rediculous.
By the way, the 90 day stay visas that can be obtained for people born in PRC travelling on foreign passports ALSO applies if they can prove their mother or father is a Chinese citizen.
I don't want a single or double entry visa, i want a multi entry visa so I can leave and return to this country at will. At present I feel almost like a prisoner here because of the limitations.
Loveasiangirls
07-12-09, 07:40
Originally I called a few placed listed as visa agents in China. Apparently until April 17, they could obtain a 1yr F visa without stay limitation. Now they can do nothing but play mahjong. He told me the visa situation will be difficult until after October 1 because of China 60th year anniversary. Why the hell would this matter anyways?? Why does this country have to feel so sensitive about everything? Is it really that fragile?
First it was the olympics, then another thing and another. It seems the rules can change daily and by city depending on where you do or who you see. Certainly far from ideal.
After October 1, I expect that there will be any other reason to make it even more difficult to get visas here, perhaps New Years day is another excuse or maybe 2010 Shanghai Worlds Fair. Any reason they want, they will make. To be honest I am tired of the excuses.
I called my visa agent in HKG to ask about the visa situation. They told me for nearly 6000HKD I can get a 1 yr multientry visa. That is crazy. If you have HK ID or are married to a HK ID holder you can get visa easier. Also I was told if you are married to a PRC citizen, they can help you get a 6m multientry visa for a normal fee. Otherwise you are limited to single or double entry 30day tourist or business visas if you apply in HKG.
The visa office in Singapore may be more lenient to obtain longer term visas. I will check it out, I saw links and messages about it on one of the local expat forums.
I really don't want to return to North America to get a visa for this country. It seems really rediculous.
By the way, the 90 day stay visas that can be obtained for people born in PRC travelling on foreign passports ALSO applies if they can prove their mother or father is a Chinese citizen.
I don't want a single or double entry visa, i want a multi entry visa so I can leave and return to this country at will. At present I feel almost like a prisoner here because of the limitations.
If you think China is being difficult with you, just try getting a visa to the US with a Chinese passport.
Yellow Fever #2
07-12-09, 07:51
If you think China is being difficult with you, just try getting a visa to the US with a Chinese passport.
I agree, the odds can be very long for Chinese to get a visa for America but not necessarily so.
If you have a legitimate reason to visit or business and you can speak the language, afford your travel and have ties back home, getting a visa for America is not too difficult.
A single country side girl in her 20s without any travel experience is guaranteed to fail but most legitimate applicants will succeed.
I am glad that America/Canada/Australia/UK-Europe have more difficult visa policies, the net flow of migration is definitely in their direction. China nees foreign trained professionals and language teachers (i am in the former category) to improve China.
Still the US accepts millions of people annually for citizenship, canada takes in more than 200,000 people a year in immigration too.
Lots of people in China would like to move to America/Canada etc or just leave China. That cannot be a good thing.
Why is it that basically only the 'commie' countries (China/Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos/North Korea) require advance visas to visit for westerners? What are they trying to protect or what are they afraid of?
I don't want a single or double entry visa, i want a multi entry visa so I can leave and return to this country at will. At present I feel almost like a prisoner here because of the limitations.
I admire your sense of entitlement. Of course you should be allowed to enter and exit this "commie" country as you damn please. Of course the commie county shouldn't bother you with its 60th birthday ...
I must agree with Loveasiangirls:
"If you think China is being difficult with you, just try getting a visa to the US with a Chinese passport."
If you think it's not "too difficult," just try to take your Chinese GF with you on a short trip to the states. You will exit the consulate/embassy fuming, maybe even hate your country. It is a shame how a country that likes to lecture other countries on civil rights treats a Chinese visa applicant.
(Much easier in Europe btw. As a EU citizen, you simply sign a piece of paper that makes you assume all the cost should she not return. Bingo, Schengen visa, tour Europe with her! Just make darn sure that she goes back on the plane under your watchful eyes. It could become the most expensive trip of your life if she elopes.)
That strategy will utterly flop in the US. I have a retired US friend who married his 50ish Chinese wife a few years ago, and he's still fighting to get her to the USA.
You've been very critical of this "commie" country. Now you love it so much that you demand a multiple entry 1 year F?
If you are glad about your own country's visa policies, then you should accept the policies of the country you want to enter as well. Or stay out.
Seriously: If you are a bonafide foreign expert who has a bonafide reason to be in this country, you will have no problems. The bonafide Chinese company that hired and needs you should do the necessary paperwork for you. I've been here for years, and all is being taken care of for me. Never needed a visa agent. Times are tough right now with Oct 1 coming up, but if someone really needs you, and they know what they are doing, you'll be fine. If they send you on your own visa run, then something isn't kosher somewhere.
One Eyed Man
07-12-09, 09:56
Why is it that basically only the 'commie' countries (China/Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos/North Korea) require advance visas to visit for westerners? What are they trying to protect or what are they afraid of?
In many cases, it's called reciprocity. Other countries require visas from U.S. citizens only because the U.S. requires citizens of those countries to apply for visas. For example, Brazil (not a commie country as far as I know) does this.
Yellow Fever #2
07-12-09, 14:56
I admire your sense of entitlement. Of course you should be allowed to enter and exit this "commie" country as you damn please. Of course the commie county shouldn't bother you with its 60th birthday ...
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You've been very critical of this "commie" country. Now you love it so much that you demand a multiple entry 1 year F?
If you are glad about your own country's visa policies, then you should accept the policies of the country you want to enter as well. Or stay out.
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Times are tough right now with Oct 1 coming up, but if someone really needs you, and they know what they are doing, you'll be fine. If they send you on your own visa run, then something isn't kosher somewhere.
I don't have a sense of entitlement and I am sorry my post made it sound like I did.
Certainly, at times, I have been critical of China and sometimes I have been fair. I have a love and hate relationship with this country that has been my home for nearly a decade. I can be much more critical of America/Canada etc at some times and for my own reasons. I am happy I can express my opinion.
Certainly each country has its own plusses and minuses. Living here should be evidence more or less of where I like to be.
If China would have had a 'tough' visa policy at the time when I first came here perhaps I would not have come here. Maybe I would have spent this time in Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand or Malaysia or the Philippines.
My main complaint is not that they have a tough visa policy, that can be good in its own way but that the policy changes frequently. The information I had last week was not valid a few days later. This cannot be good for anybody. I also have a complaint about the visa agencies who can offer services not available through official channels. Normally I would use consulates or embassies for visa applications but for China it is more convenient to use agencies and sometimes even cheaper.
Of course, I should also make my voice heard about the different policies in various cities regarding application and extensions of visas. Why should the national law be applied differently is various cities. The policy in Shenzhen is different from Guangzhou which is different from Shanghai which has some different rules from Chengdu.
I should mention that I find the China customs and immigration officers at the border to be very good and professional in their work. This has definitely improved over my time arriving and departing from China. It would just be nice if the visa policy was as professional as the immigration officers.
What is so special about October 1 that the Chinese government have to restrict visas? It would be nice if they were consistent. I am certain I am not alone with this opinion.
I've had a Z visa before before including FEC and I am working on the paperwork now for a new one - still in process. I recently completed my China traveller's medical exam.
I only express my opinion, I may not be right (I agree many countries have difficult visa requirements, not just commie ones) but I feel that it would be good if the policy here was consistent.
I remember the easy days only a few years ago when a 1 yr multi entry F visa could be obtained in HKG in 6 hours for only 400HKD and a single photo. No application or paperwork required. And this included delivery and pickup. How I wish for the good old days. Maybe that was too easy, for sure the new policy patchwork and changes are not really user friendly.
Sure, I'll comply and I will get a new visa that will allow me to leave breathe (some fresh air and taste some different flavours of pussy) once in a while and return back.
I like it here and sometimes I hate it here and get very frustrated but I think all of us, including you, feel that way sometimes too.
Yellow Fever
Loveasiangirls
07-13-09, 03:58
I agree, the odds can be very long for Chinese to get a visa for America but not necessarily so.
If you have a legitimate reason to visit or business and you can speak the language, afford your travel and have ties back home, getting a visa for America is not too difficult.
A single country side girl in her 20s without any travel experience is guaranteed to fail but most legitimate applicants will succeed.
I am glad that America/Canada/Australia/UK-Europe have more difficult visa policies, the net flow of migration is definitely in their direction. China nees foreign trained professionals and language teachers (i am in the former category) to improve China.
Still the US accepts millions of people annually for citizenship, canada takes in more than 200,000 people a year in immigration too.
Lots of people in China would like to move to America/Canada etc or just leave China. That cannot be a good thing.
Why is it that basically only the 'commie' countries (China/Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos/North Korea) require advance visas to visit for westerners? What are they trying to protect or what are they afraid of?
A friend decided to invite his lady friend to Canada. She is late 30s, has a good job with a pension fund if she returns and she owns her own apartment. He supplied his recent tax return showing an income in the mid six figure income, bank accounts and brokerage accounts showing assets of several million dollars. It does not get better than this but she was turned down. No explanation provided.
I don't know anybody personally who was ever turn down for a Chinese visa.
Yellow Fever #2
07-13-09, 05:36
A friend decided to invite his lady friend to Canada. She is late 30s, has a good job with a pension fund if she returns and she owns her own apartment. He supplied his recent tax return showing an income in the mid six figure income, bank accounts and brokerage accounts showing assets of several million dollars. It does not get better than this but she was turned down. No explanation provided.
I don't know anybody personally who was ever turn down for a Chinese visa.
I cannot explain how or why she was refused, many are refused but at the same time many are also approved. Her story sounds very positive but there must have been some reason for her refusal in the eyes of the inspector. We may not have the full truth here.
From my experience I have helped a PRC Chinese get several visas (over the years) to Canada and my situation was certainly much less than the case you mention. The last one she got was for 3 years multiple entry.
I know some PRC women who got USA visas too, some for business reasons another for personal reasons, both at the time divorced women. Most of the time they got 1 yr multi-entry B1-B2 visas, recently however they may give shorter 3 or 6 month multi-entry visas.
I agree it can be hard but you must convince the officer of the genuine purpose of the travel.
Still hundreds, maybe thousands of PRC residents line up daily at the consulates of Canada and USA hoping to get the chance to go there. Most don't get a visa but the prepared and smarter few will get their visa.
I agree China approves nearly everyone who applies for a visa but not always. I have a friend and his family who had tickets to the Olympics last year and confirmed reservations at hotels that was nearly refused for his visas last year. Only a connection to a connection to the staff at the Chinese embassy in Singapore allowed him to get visas for their trip. He was told to go back home to (in this case Sweden) in order to obtain visas although they lived in Malaysia and worked in Singapore for nearly 20 years.
It's true, it would be good if all visas were approved, then what is the point of the visa process??? Why not just have the immigration officer stick his hand out for a donation?
In fact I think the authorities do not even read the visa application. in the past years, only a photo and payment was necessary, an application was not required.
On my last application form, I listed my address as 123 Main Street, Anytown, USA and my occupation as circus clown.
On my last application form, I listed my address as 123 Main Street, Anytown, USA and my occupation as circus clown.
Can't resist the urge to comment - maybe this explains the complications.
Applications are being read very carefully now, and they have a computer system. As for the Swedish couple in S'pore: In the last phase before the Olympics, one had to apply from the home country, and visa runs to HK came to a grinding halt.
As for "in the past years, only a photo and payment was necessary, an application was not required," - not true. Many years ago, before moving permanently to China, I became very friendly with the visa officer who processed my annual F visa down at 42nd Street in Manhattan, and he wanted an application every time.
Yellow Fever #2
07-13-09, 07:10
Can't resists the urge to comment - maybe this explains the complications.
Applications are being read very carefully now, and they have a computer system.
It's not surprising that they use computers. It would have been surprising if they did not. I've never had even the slightest complication with obtaining a visa for this or any country. I just follow the procedures.
The closest I came to a complication was entering UK and declaring myself as a shower curtain ring salesperson.
My frustration is only that the policy changes frequently for no real apparent reason, each and every day is a special occasion in China. One day a simple procedure through a China based visa procurer to obtain a long term visa becomes no longer available. The next day you must travel thousands of miles to get the same visa. Perhaps a week later, another visa agency with different connections can get the visa. In fact for a price almost anything can be done here.
It is a real mess and it is very unfortunate.
I'd much rather have to face an immigration officer to get a visa as I have many legitimate reasons to be here. Perhaps then, with a little discretion on their part, I could obtain a longer term visa.
I just found out earlier today, that I've been approved for my 1 year multi entry Z Visa. At least that part is over.
Just as an aside, are you a China LEO?
I agree with Zhuren, Visas to the US are hard to get for chinese people. I know a girl who passed exams to enter an american uiversity, she succeed but they didn't give her the visa due to a restriction at the time of the number of visas. Since she didn't get it once, she couldn't get it twice, so she had to change her plans and go to Europe and spend one year learning french.
Europe is as good as the US to study bu she was disappointed.
OldAsiaHand
07-13-09, 13:57
A friend decided to invite his lady friend to Canada. She is late 30s, has a good job with a pension fund if she returns and she owns her own apartment. He supplied his recent tax return showing an income in the mid six figure income, bank accounts and brokerage accounts showing assets of several million dollars. It does not get better than this but she was turned down. No explanation provided.
I don't know anybody personally who was ever turn down for a Chinese visa.
They don't care how much money he has. There are too many cases of guys being conned by Chinese ladies that run the moment they hit the ground overseas. I've had several friends that are USA visa officers. The applicant only gets 2 minutes and if there is the slightest doubt, they just deny the application.
Just my POV.
OAH
Loveasiangirls
07-13-09, 16:35
They don't care how much money he has. There are too many cases of guys being conned by Chinese ladies that run the moment they hit the ground overseas. I've had several friends that are USA visa officers. The applicant only gets 2 minutes and if there is the slightest doubt, they just deny the application.
Just my POV.
OAH
I know but that girl had a good job, assets and they actually never met her for an interview.
A friend who works in a US consulate in China told me that girls from certain provinces are blackballed - like Fujian girls. This girl was not from Fujian.
I know but that girl had a good job, assets and they actually never met her for an interview.
A friend who works in a US consulate in China told me that girls from certain provinces are blackballed - like Fujian girls. This girl was not from Fujian.
Friend of mine works for a V E R Y big Chinese / Foreign joint venture. I mean BIG. They did a contest. First 5 win a trip to Vegas. The winners did not get a US visa.
Yellow Fever #2
07-13-09, 19:33
Friend of mine works for a V E R Y big Chinese / Foreign joint venture. I mean BIG. They did a contest. First 5 win a trip to Vegas. The winners did not get a US visa.
I will temper my comment (so as not to appear anti-Chinese) but this sounds like the company knew beforehand it would not have to pay out in the contest. It is too ridiculous, almost beyond belief.
You do not mention what type of contest they offered, if it was a blowjob contest, it would be hard to demonstrate the skills for the visa officer. I wish I was a judge in the contest though.
I guess offering contests like this with no chance of winning keeps companies big. Sounds like very poor judgement on the companies part and also quite a lot of naive contestants. I hope at least the company paid the visa fee,transportation and expenses to the consulate in question as well as the time off work for the contest 'winners'.
Once the 'winners' were refused visas, did the company offer them any compensation???
I believe you used the word 'Entitlement'.
I suggest that this visa thread come to an end.
You have to remember this is China. They can change the law or requirement on anything they want. They don't need to answer to anyone. There is no real election.
We will never understand why Chinese do the things they do. Remember all the times you deal with the local Chinese and just can't understand why they are doing this?
Once the 'winners' were refused visas, did the company offer them any compensation???
Two weeks in Thailand after raising a big stink in DC.
Csun213, I noted your remark that we will never be able to undrstand the Chinese.
You are correct.
This is becauseyou are dealing with two diametrically opposite cultures.
Western culture is founded on the culture of the primacy of the individual. This is the basis for individual human rights. If one person is aggrieved, then the rights and freedoms of the rest of the population can be curtailed for the benefit of one person.
Chinese culture is based on the primacy of the collective, that is, the individual is expected to curtail their personal ambitions for the good of the community.
That is why the Chinese have no regrets about the individual in Tien An Min square. he was a fool, and deserved whatever he got.
G
Csun213, I noted your remark that we will never be able to undrstand the Chinese.
You are correct.
This is becauseyou are dealing with two diametrically opposite cultures.
Western culture is founded on the culture of the primacy of the individual. This is the basis for individual human rights. If one person is aggrieved, then the rights and freedoms of the rest of the population can be curtailed for the benefit of one person.
Chinese culture is based on the primacy of the collective, that is, the individual is expected to curtail their personal ambitions for the good of the community.
That is why the Chinese have no regrets about the individual in Tien An Min square. he was a fool, and deserved whatever he got.
GI think some westerners are more capable of understanding the Chinese than others. Lets face it, many of the westerners that come to China do so, because they never fitted in at home, and whatever it is about china works for them.
I think the main problem is that most westerners don't care to try to understand Chinese culture, history or the people themselves. Just as the chinese often have a superiority complex, so too do many westerners.
I've found if you're non-judgmental and open to new experiences in China, it goes a long way towards understanding how & why they do things here. But then it really depends on where you are. I found Xi'an very easy to live in, and to get along with people, and yet Beijing is a lot more difficult.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=848817
Chinese police have arrested more than 800 suspected human traffickers and freed nearly 3,400 women and children in the past four months, state media reported.
The police actions come after a concerted campaign by the Public Security Ministry to curb [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), Xinhua news agency reported.
During the campaign police rescued 1,352 children who had been trafficked and more than 2,000 women, the report said.
Some of the women were rescued from forced prostitution, the report said.
A total of 824 suspected traffickers had been arrested during the period, it said, adding that some 600 of them were arrested by China's railway police.
The trafficking of women and children remains common in China.
Women are trafficked to be sold to men in remote areas who are unable to find brides, due to the sex imbalance resulting from China's one-child policy which has encouraged sex-selective abortions.
In December last year, a court in southwest China sentenced three leaders of a trafficking ring to death for kidnapping and selling 88 women and children, while 23 other members of the gang were given terms of up to life in prison.
Population experts say that sex-selective abortions have boosted the number of boys born in China for over a generation.
Men of marriageable age currently outnumber women by more than 18 million, a number that could grow to 30 million by 2020 due to a traditional preference for Chinese families to have male heirs.
The "bachelor bomb" has long been attributed to laws that for nearly 25 years have limited urban families to one child and rural families to two, providing that the first is a girl.
Jeez, the bachelor bomb strikes again. That thing just won't die.
First, the Xinhua article (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-08/11/content_11865410.htm) reports the results of a well known nationwide crackdown, which "lasts from April 9 to December this year." No news there. It's more palatable to write about rescued victims of trafficking than about arrested WGs.
Second, the remainder of the story wasn't in the Xinhua article, and was made up by ninemsn, with a desperate segue to the alleged boy bomb. If you want to have a look at the male/female ratio in 2020, click here. (http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/ch-2020.png) Nothing to see. Move along.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=848817
Chinese police have arrested more than 800 suspected human traffickers and freed nearly 3,400 women and children in the past four months, state media reported.
The police actions come after a concerted campaign by the Public Security Ministry to curb [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), Xinhua news agency reported.
During the campaign police rescued 1,352 children who had been trafficked and more than 2,000 women, the report said.
Some of the women were rescued from forced prostitution, the report said.
A total of 824 suspected traffickers had been arrested during the period, it said, adding that some 600 of them were arrested by China's railway police.
The trafficking of women and children remains common in China.
Women are trafficked to be sold to men in remote areas who are unable to find brides, due to the sex imbalance resulting from China's one-child policy which has encouraged sex-selective abortions.
In December last year, a court in southwest China sentenced three leaders of a trafficking ring to death for kidnapping and selling 88 women and children, while 23 other members of the gang were given terms of up to life in prison.
Population experts say that sex-selective abortions have boosted the number of boys born in China for over a generation.
Men of marriageable age currently outnumber women by more than 18 million, a number that could grow to 30 million by 2020 due to a traditional preference for Chinese families to have male heirs.
The "bachelor bomb" has long been attributed to laws that for nearly 25 years have limited urban families to one child and rural families to two, providing that the first is a girl.
Yellow Fever #2
08-17-09, 14:29
Jeez, the bachelor bomb strikes again. That thing just won't die.
First, the Xinhua article (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-08/11/content_11865410.htm) reports the results of a well known nationwide crackdown, which "lasts from April 9 to December this year." No news there. It's more palatable to write about rescued victims of trafficking than about arrested WGs.
Second, the remainder of the story wasn't in the Xinhua article, and was made up by ninemsn, with a desperate segue to the alleged boy bomb. If you want to have a look at the male/female ratio in 2020, click here. (http://images.nationmaster.com/images/pyramids/ch-2020.png) Nothing to see. Move along.
There are tons of stories on the internet regarding the sex ratio between girls and boys in China. This story is about Hong Kong and says roughly the same thing.
From the AsiaSentinel;
http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2008&Itemid=204
Hong Kong's Baby Drought
Monday, 17 August 2009
As usual, the figures hide the real story
Hong Kong is boasting a huge rise in its births, which might appear to follow an appeal by Chief Executive Donald Tsang for bigger families and a bigger population.
But in reality the turnaround from what was once the world's lowest fertility rate – average births per woman of 0.9 – is mostly due to the temporary import of pregnant women from the mainland. Hong Kong also appears to be importing an undesirable social habit from the mainland as well-- the sexist neo-Confucian belief in the superiority of the male.
Over the 12 months to June, 83,200 babies were born in the territory, up 72 percent from a low of 46,963 in 2003. However, a quick look a little deeper into the data reveals that the actual situation has changed very little and that Hong Kong women are little more inclined to procreate than they were back in 2003.
A breakdown of the numbers for the whole of 2008 shows the following:
Total births: 78,822
Number of births to mainland mothers whose husbands are not recorded as Hong Kong permanent residents: 26,337
In 2003 the equivalent numbers were 46,963 and 2,070
In other words the total excluding those temporarily residing in Hong Kong to give birth there rose to 52,485 from 44,893 – not a dramatic increase given how low fertility had fallen.
Mainlanders come to Hong Kong to give birth because children born in the territory have a right of abode there even if their parents do not. Most of these children go back to the mainland with their mothers. How many will eventually settle in Hong Kong cannot yet be known.
By contrast, women born and bred in Hong Kong remain particularly reluctant to have children. In fact a reluctance to get married is also reflected in the large number of Hong Kong men marrying mainland wives, mostly with less education. These are also disproportionately likely to have children. Births to mainland wives married to locals totalled 7,228 last year.
Meanwhile Hong Kong's birth statistics which are starting to show some of the characteristics which single out China, in one respect at least, as one of the the most male-chauvinist societies on earth, matched only by some regions of India. (The worst is Punjab but nearby Delhi has now so reversed the male trend that last year more girls than boys were born there).
On the mainland abortion of female fetuses has become so widespread that in age cohorts up to 30 years there are as many as 15 percent more men than women. The natural gap at birth between males and females is around 5 percent reflecting the higher mortality rates of boys. On a global scale the actual gap is more like 7 percent because of the prevalence of selective abortion in some countries, most notably Chin and parts of India – Punjab in particular.
Hong Kong was once the exception to the Chinese trend thanks, one would have liked to imagine, to its longer detachment from traditional notions of the over-riding importance of a male child. On the mainland those notions were reinforced by the official one-child policy.
But there has been a very sharp rise in the male percentage of Hong Kong births. The male/female gap surged to 14 percent in 2008 – 41,928 males to 36,894 females. So far this year the situation has improved but with an 11 percent gap there is still a long way to go to get to the 5 percent natural norm.
Of course, these two years' figures may prove to be a statistical quirk. But more likely they represent a shift towards the selective abortion of females, which is thriving despite official efforts to discourage it and despite the gradual relaxation of the one child policy in some areas of China. Possibly the change in Hong Kong's sex ratio is due to the rising percentage of births to mainlanders, but the data is not available to establish that one way or another.
Weren't you suppose to inform everyone about August 26th is the official Chinese Valentine Day, SEAJ. Should I be prepare for a lengthy controversy?
Mmlouie
SE Asia Joe
08-26-09, 13:49
Weren't you suppose to inform everyone about August 26th is the official Chinese Valentine Day, SEAJ. Should I be prepare for a lengthy controversy?
Mmlouie
yeah - but did you get any valentine's greetings?
I got three - one sent 00:12 as soon as it turned valentine's day! Yup - business is lousy for our gals!!
SEAJ
yeah - but did you get any valentine's greetings?
Mine started the day before, sort of a reminder. Exactly the same as the other valentine day.
Mmlouie
Loveasiangirls
09-02-09, 11:21
Just reporting this for entertainement purposes.
You never know what you'll get with freebies. Just met with this 34-year old from Hebei province. She came to see me in Beijing for a couple of days (she paid her own train fare). On thing is that good BJ are rare and some of these girls who never had a western boyfriend don't even do oral sex. So I was quite surprised when this one went down on me and with great skills. When I later commented on this she said that her ex-husband had some "health problems" (aka erectile dysfunction) and that the doctor had recommended oral sex as a cure. He was also allowed to watch porn. Talk about great medical advice!!!
It reminds me of another I met recently. She is in her mid-20s and very open. She explains that she always has sex with a condom except with her boyfriend as he is allergic to condoms. I did not dare tell her that they come in various material. She also explains that she never sees her boyfriend on week-end as he is too busy with his business (he is a teacher).
I am so surprised how naive some chinese girls sometimes are even though they are rather intelligent!!!
I am so surprised how naive some chinese girls sometimes are even though they are rather intelligent!!!
I am actually surprised just how gullible people could be. But let's think for a moment, who is really the naive one? lol!
Just IMHO and for y'all entertainment purposes.
Mmlouie
SE Asia Joe
09-02-09, 17:02
SH/HK/BJ
Hi SEAJ,
I'm in Ch alot for business, but this will be my first time mongering. could use some direction or at least one solid place or phone number to start. I'm concerned about getting ripped off or the wrong thing. I like the spinners and if you can recommend a place to start it would be appreciated. You don't have to give me your BEST contacts (that would be rude of me to ask) but maybe help a guy out so I don't get totally hosed. I'll be in all three cities above. i stay in the JW Marriots and like skinny, friendly company. thanks in advance!
First of all, my apologies to the writer of the above PMS to me for C+P it here, but this PMS is just one of quite a few stating similar requests.
The writer in this case has ZERO posts and most of those who PMS'd me with similar requests are also usually single digit newbie posters.
First thing first, I don't mind helping guys out - but ISG is a place for the EXCHANGE of info etc - and the question I have is "why should I help out guys who hasn't contributed anything?"
Secondly, in most cases, I feel that these guys haven't even bothered to RTFF before asking for hand-outs.
Thirdly, with all these LE activities, I am highly suspicious for such requests.
And lastly, worst are those guys who then writes things like "drinks on me when we meet," What? I'm his personal pimp for the price of a drink??!!
And I can predict that these kind of requests for info, contact etc is going to increase as the Canton Trade Fair gears up again. Happens every Canton Trade fair with these BSD's coming to town!!
SEAJ
Eyebrow777
09-03-09, 01:35
Thirdly, with all these LE activities, I am highly suspicious for such requests.
SEAJNo kidding on the LE activities. Had a China hand friend tell me just today about some bad shit going down. Laowai being locked up for several months in re-education work camps for getting caught in Beijing saunas with their pants down. Apparently LE has quotas to fill and the sauna owners are not above rat'ing out their laowai guests. Distressing.
Part of me wants to scream 'racist bastards' but I think the answer is simpler than that. More like expediency and pragmatism; LE has quotas to fill and they're forcing the sauna managers to rat out customers; sauna owners have to play the game they're given or be shut down. What would you do in a similar situation?
How the hell do you get plugged in enough to detect the fickle sentiment of the CCP and weave when they bob?
Stay safe.
Eyebrow777 (it's a spiritual experinece when you're up to your eyebrows in poontang.
I hope not to start a flame war, but when I read this I was compelled to say something on behalf of us newbies here. If this person is new to the HK scene, or elsewhere, how actually is he or any of us newbie guys supposed to contribute soething worthwhile? We all need to get a start. I personally have found the forum interesting and hopefully helpful soon since having just found it. I will be coming to HK for the 2nd time in a few weeks (1st time playing) and hope to have some fun as a long time pursuer of fun in China and home. I look forward to posting something afterwards, hopefully worthy of posting, although presently it appears I have a couple of freebies lined up. In any case just asking, remember we all have to start sometime. Its a great hobby, lets enjoy it. My .25
GregP
First of all, my apologies to the writer of the above PMS to me for C+P it here, but this PMS is just one of quite a few stating similar requests.
The writer in this case has ZERO posts and most of those who PMS'd me with similar requests are also usually single digit newbie posters.
First thing first, I don't mind helping guys out - but ISG is a place for the EXCHANGE of info etc - and the question I have is "why should I help out guys who hasn't contributed anything?"
Secondly, in most cases, I feel that these guys haven't even bothered to RTFF before asking for hand-outs.
Thirdly, with all these LE activities, I am highly suspicious for such requests.
And lastly, worst are those guys who then writes things like "drinks on me when we meet," What? I'm his personal pimp for the price of a drink??!!
And I can predict that these kind of requests for info, contact etc is going to increase as the Canton Trade Fair gears up again. Happens every Canton Trade fair with these BSD's coming to town!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-03-09, 08:14
I hope not to start a flame war, but when I read this I was compelled to say something on behalf of us newbies here. If this person is new to the HK scene, or elsewhere, how actually is he or any of us newbie guys supposed to contribute soething worthwhile? We all need to get a start. I personally have found the forum interesting and hopefully helpful soon since having just found it. I will be coming to HK for the 2nd time in a few weeks (1st time playing) and hope to have some fun as a long time pursuer of fun in China and home. I look forward to posting something afterwards, hopefully worthy of posting, although presently it appears I have a couple of freebies lined up. In any case just asking, remember we all have to start sometime. Its a great hobby, lets enjoy it. My .25
GregP
Fair enough.
But I also notice that you've only got this one and single report - whilst you yourself stated "....as a long time pursuer of fun in China and home..." and if that is the case, then where are YOUR reports?? yes, all of us were newbies at one time or another, but all of us took the time to share whatever experience one's had and write reports.
How do you get started if you are a total newbie? Well, to begin with, you have to do your own work first and RTFF!! Try out what you found out and then report back to us. Remember - this is a forum to EXCHANGE information. And none of us are interested in spoon feeding anybody. Why should we?? We don't owe noboby nuthin'!
Oh sure, you can write back stating something like "if you don't want to share, don't share and please go to hell whilst doing so" .... Which is precisely the kind of thing we've all read here when a newbie goes off in a huff.
And please remember that there ARE LE activities going on - and let's not make any mistakes here - but ISG IS a good source for LE's to find out/bait/entice foreign mongers to come up with the goods so to call. As Eyebrow writes - the LE does have quotas - and foreigners do make for a prize catch.
Like I said, every time the Canto Trade Fair gears up , we get these newbies coming over and asking, asking and asking some more - and then goes off never even thanking anybody never mind reporting back anything. The BSD syndrome I say!
Just IMHO
SEAJ
I hope not to start a flame war, but when I read this I was compelled to say something on behalf of us newbies here. If this person is new to the HK scene, or elsewhere, how actually is he or any of us newbie guys supposed to contribute soething worthwhile? We all need to get a start. I personally have found the forum interesting and hopefully helpful soon since having just found it. I will be coming to HK for the 2nd time in a few weeks (1st time playing) and hope to have some fun as a long time pursuer of fun in China and home. I look forward to posting something afterwards, hopefully worthy of posting, although presently it appears I have a couple of freebies lined up. In any case just asking, remember we all have to start sometime. Its a great hobby, lets enjoy it. My .25
GregPGreg,
I don't think you will start a flame war, but I understand how SEAJ feels and what his concerns are. There are literally thousands of pages of reports in ISG going back several years for P4P in China and HK. Before you send a message or post requesting a handout with absolutely no idea what you really want, it's best to RTFF and get an idea of what it is you are actually looking for.
What makes more sense? Asking a general open question about someplace you can go in SH/HK/BJ. Or- narrowing your scope down a little and at least show that you have spent some time researching to ask a question like 'I've read about SH Sauna and the red rope in SH. I'll try it when I visit, can you recommend other places in BJ where I might be able to find similar service? '
You know, at least show you have put in a little time RESEARCHING what you want. BBS, KTV, Sauna, massage, FL, Bar girls. The options can go on and on. The info is in the forum. Use it.
Loveasiangirls
09-04-09, 00:13
Despite what it says below my handle, I do not consider myself a senior member compared to some real experts around here. I do not use P4P much (too busy with freebies) and always report here when I do.
Over time I have noted that there are two ways to use this forum. First to report on your own experiences for the benefit of others. Secondly to search the forum for information based on others' experiences.
The post a question very rarely results in an answer. I have yet to get any questions that I have ever asked on the Beijing forum answered even though I had RTFF and made some contribution. Obviously, a question from a newbie who has obviously no clue and has not really done any work, will generate some comments but never any answer either.
Seaj,
You obviously are an elder of the forum. My only response to your response is that I indicated I had just recently found this wonderful place. Other than that nuff said and tomorrow I will take the time to report on what has worked for me when I was stumbling around for the first few years in Beijing. I do plan on being a good forum citizen so I will report even if far after the fact.
Greg
Fair enough.
But I also notice that you've only got this one and single report - whilst you yourself stated "....as a long time pursuer of fun in China and home..." and if that is the case, then where are YOUR reports?? yes, all of us were newbies at one time or another, but all of us took the time to share whatever experience one's had and write reports.
How do you get started if you are a total newbie? Well, to begin with, you have to do your own work first and RTFF!! Try out what you found out and then report back to us. Remember - this is a forum to EXCHANGE information. And none of us are interested in spoon feeding anybody. Why should we?? We don't owe noboby nuthin'!
Oh sure, you can write back stating something like "if you don't want to share, don't share and please go to hell whilst doing so" .... Which is precisely the kind of thing we've all read here when a newbie goes off in a huff.
And please remember that there ARE LE activities going on - and let's not make any mistakes here - but ISG IS a good source for LE's to find out/bait/entice foreign mongers to come up with the goods so to call. As Eyebrow writes - the LE does have quotas - and foreigners do make for a prize catch.
Like I said, every time the Canto Trade Fair gears up , we get these newbies coming over and asking, asking and asking some more - and then goes off never even thanking anybody never mind reporting back anything. The BSD syndrome I say!
Just IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-04-09, 17:05
Seaj,
You obviously are an elder of the forum. My only response to your response is that I indicated I had just recently found this wonderful place. Other than that nuff said and tomorrow I will take the time to report on what has worked for me when I was stumbling around for the first few years in Beijing. I do plan on being a good forum citizen so I will report even if far after the fact.
Greg
Thank you very much.
I really mean it and do look forward to your report.
Regards
SEAJ
These arguments have been going on for ages in many forums of the ISG.
My policy is that if I take the time to post it will be to report something new or help others.
I had a talk, over dinner, with the owner of the ISG and he fully agreed with me on that. He prefers the posts to be informative and constructive.
Furthermore every one of us, no matter how experienced we are in a place, we can always become newbies when visiting a new place for our first time. Thus asking questions.
None of us here are neither travel agents nor pimps. We are simply ordinary people looking to have some fun.
Considering the fact that English is not my mother tongue and that I don’t know how to type fast I do keep my postings as small as possible.
So, peace to you all and go get them. Gals I mean not newbies of course.
El Greco
First of all, my apologies to the writer of the above PMS to me for C+P it here, but this PMS is just one of quite a few stating similar requests.
The writer in this case has ZERO posts and most of those who PMS'd me with similar requests are also usually single digit newbie posters.
SEAJ
I would be suspicious to see someone at his one digit posts sending PM's, meaning he has registered and paid. 20 is of course affordable to play around for one year, but one should first have a look and experiment the place before paying, then subscribe and bet his money.
This is all possible on ISG. No need to pay to post, just pay to PM and few other extras.
So to cut th estory short, we have somebody paying 20$, not having RTFF and sending PM's
Of course to whom? to somebody with a hugfe history in number of posts = allegedely a personality = one to target as "he knows".
I do not want to generalize this elaboration, sure, but...something smells and it is not a nice wet pussy!
Fellow mongers,
I will be travelling in China shortly and by browsing through the China forums, I have been slightly confused. Is the site available to view/browse when you are in China, or is it banned?
Please enlight me otherwise, I will have to take notes urgently
Yellow Fever #2
09-05-09, 11:06
Fellow mongers,
I will be travelling in China shortly and by browsing through the China forums, I have been slightly confused. Is the site available to view/browse when you are in China, or is it banned?
Please enlight me otherwise, I will have to take notes urgently
The forum is blocked in mainland China. I suggest you take notes at home and install a VPN service. I suggest www.ultravpn.fr or www.alonweb.com. They will allow you to view any site from inside China.
You can also use a paid VPN service and in some cases/cities certain proxy servers will work.
I've heard some people have success with FREEGATE but it does not work for me. At least look it up.
In addition to ISG being blocked, many common sites are also blocked like facebook, tagged (sometimes), twitter, youtube etc.
My best recommendation to you however is that you avoid P4P in China at the moment, it may be a very risky and difficult proposition at this time. Maybe after the October holidays it will be better but I really feel the good times in China are behind us. Go to Thailand or Philippines for better enjoyment, cost effectiveness, culture and a family friendly P4P atmosphere.
Yellow Fever
Fellow mongers,
I will be travelling in China shortly and by browsing through the China forums, I have been slightly confused. Is the site available to view/browse when you are in China, or is it banned?
Please enlight me otherwise, I will have to take notes urgentlyJust my own experience, but when I travel in China I usually stay in western branded hotels (Hilton, Westin, Ramada, etc.) and I have never been blocked. When trying to access through ADSL at a private residence however, I have never been successful without VPN.
First thing I do when I check into a hotel in a new city is log on to ISG and find the goings-on in the area. I have had success in hotels in at least 20 cities large and small.
YMMV
Just my own experience, but when I travel in China I usually stay in western branded hotels (Hilton, Westin, Ramada, etc.) and I have never been blocked. When trying to access through ADSL at a private residence however, I have never been successful without VPN.
First thing I do when I check into a hotel in a new city is log on to ISG and find the goings-on in the area. I have had success in hotels in at least 20 cities large and small.
YMMV
Not sure when Matsu69 last visited China, but I can confirm that even the western branded hotels now block ISG (in addition to Facebook, ect).
As has been pointed out, if you want to access these sites while traveling in China the best solution is to invest in a VPN account.
Sammy
Loveasiangirls
09-07-09, 06:51
Not sure when Matsu69 last visited China, but I can confirm that even the western branded hotels now block ISG (in addition to Facebook, ect).
As has been pointed out, if you want to access these sites while traveling in China the best solution is to invest in a VPN account.
Sammy
I agree with Sammy, some western brand hotels seem to have their own VPN but not even close to the majority.
Just my own experience, but when I travel in China I usually stay in western branded hotels (Hilton, Westin, Ramada, etc.) and I have never been blocked. When trying to access through ADSL at a private residence however, I have never been successful without VPN.
First thing I do when I check into a hotel in a new city is log on to ISG and find the goings-on in the area. I have had success in hotels in at least 20 cities large and small.
YMMV
Courtyard Marriott Pudong does block ISG and some other "porn" related websiteUsed a proxy to bypass but it sucks when one opens multiple pages as not always they get through the proxi link.
Courtyard Marriott Pudong does block ISG and some other "porn" related websiteUsed a proxy to bypass but it sucks when one opens multiple pages as not always they get through the proxi link.Agreed,
Most of my time is spent in Shanghai at the major western hotels and I have to agree most are blocked.
Always have a VPN up your sleeve.
In BJ on Saturday. I'll let you know if I find different.
Jake277
Member #2924
09-11-09, 05:31
Sorry to interrupt the current discussions with this inane question regarding arrival in China.
Are the health authorities still boarding the planes and taking temperatures prior to letting passengers off the plane?
Iandavid2212
09-12-09, 04:00
Sometimes. Flights from Hong Kong are not usually boarded, flights from Europe and USA seem to be done at random.
Sorry to interrupt the current discussions with this inane question regarding arrival in China.
Are the health authorities still boarding the planes and taking temperatures prior to letting passengers off the plane?
Loveasiangirls
09-12-09, 17:03
Sorry to interrupt the current discussions with this inane question regarding arrival in China.
Are the health authorities still boarding the planes and taking temperatures prior to letting passengers off the plane?
i arrived in Beijing two week ago from Canada. now you just fill a health form which someone will check after you get off the plane. After landing I was in the taxi about 35 minutes later with immigration and luggage pick up as well as this health form control.
Anyone knows a good place to pick up girls in Hohhot or Beijing?
Thanks,
Tommy
VPN service for China travel, any recommendation.
thanks
Top VPN Providers:
Banana VPN
Happy VPN
Liberty VPN
Black Logic
Steganos
Relakks
As has been pointed out, if you want to access these sites while traveling in China the best solution is to invest in a VPN account.
Sammy
Yellow Fever #2
09-19-09, 04:46
vpn service for china travel, any recommendation.
thanks
top vpn providers:
banana vpn
happy vpn
liberty vpn
black logic
steganos
relakks
i know of 2 free vpn providers.
www.ultravpn.fr
www.alonweb.com
i have used both, ultravpn is better and is ideal for viewing and posting to the forum.
if you only need for infrequent use, the free services are more than adequate.
never had a problem connecting inside china anywhere and the speed is fine.
yellow fever
Jackson has sold a banner ad to a supplier of generic Viagra from India. Anyone used it? Any good?
This is the site
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=938
ES
I use All Day Chemist. Get the double pills offer. I buy it when I'm back in the US. Great stuff. I split them and I'm on ss. Good pricing.
Jackson has sold a banner ad to a supplier of generic Viagra from India. Anyone used it? Any good?
This is the site
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=938
ES
Well I had indicated I would drop in a report albeit very late from when I had first said I would. As I indicated way back when, new to this forum but not to China. Currently in Beijing and would concur with others that things are very tight. I only come 3-4 times a year so have relied on free proxys in the past to get to "censored" sites. Even that was hard today, seems the overlookers are in high gear but eventually found one that worked.
I will be first to say that my primary focus has been freebies over the years but do also indulge pfp at least fairly often. Personally for several years I have been very lucky with two websites, this isn't an ad but they have worked well for me with freebies and semi-pros. Both are same company but one is more of a dating site and have only met 1 non-freebie there. Adult___Finder and Asia___Finder. Maybe just lucky but through the first have met and played with several freebies that I would see not just 1x but whenever I came back. Usually takes either many emails or often chat on one of the messenger services to actually get to know the ladies, more so with what will be freebies. Maybe you just need to be upfront that you are seeking dates, & fun and not marriage which many always indicate. I do admit language has been tough on several occasions. Anyway at least one very sexy lady, younger than me but I'm an old fart, literally the first evening in Beijing, called me (knew I was coming) came to the hotel, called, came up to the room, woke me, quick kiss, went in to the shower came out naked and the fun began. Blew me away. The ladies who I have met that were semi-pros seemed very open to negotiation, and some were quite shy about asking an amount. In Beijing over the last 3 years I would say gift has been on average 700-1100rmb overnight. Also succesful at Hotel lobby bars, 4-5 star hotels but as previously noted higher cost but usually very attractive. I am afraid I am too attracted to all Chinese women so all are too beautiful to me.
Not really looking too often these days, been hooked up steadily now with a seperated lady I met via the above a few years ago who is in Beijing.
In a few days will be off to Hong Kong and have one pro, semi-pro and one lady I have been talking too, lined up to see. Will drop report on that in HK forum.
Love China!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
SE Asia Joe
09-26-09, 09:34
I spent the past few days (sept 22-25) in China - Chang Ping/dongguan and Guangzhou specifically - and could NOT get on ISG at all. I had in the past had only had minor problems trying to get on ISG but this past few days is definitely different/ a real problem.
I tried all sorts of proxies, different computers and locations and the most I could get to was the first forum page; when I click on a specific thread - I would then be thrown out. I'm now back in Hong Kong and thus able to access/post.
Any of you reading this from China at present? If so, please advise how you got on.
Any of you who posted up a report the last few days - did you do it from China - and if so, same question: How did you get on ISG?
I even tried using my friend's VPN service and that didn't work either. So if you got on from China the past few days using a VPN system, please advise which VPN service you used
thanks
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
09-26-09, 11:16
I just returned to Guangzhou and they seem to be becoming pretty lax about the health checks. You still have to fill in the form but they just take it from you and wave you onto the immigration counters.
A couple of months ago, they were coming on every plane and checking temperatures before letting you off. Then, they elimimated this practice but checked the health forms very carefully. Now, it's a breeze again.
OAH
Sorry to interrupt the current discussions with this inane question regarding arrival in China.
Are the health authorities still boarding the planes and taking temperatures prior to letting passengers off the plane?
OldAsiaHand
09-26-09, 11:23
I have been using Thailand bought generic Viagra and Cialis made in India but the side effects, headaches, loss of energy and even upper chest pains, are very bad. The headaches are constant. I need to find an alternative. Some mongering buddies have given me other Indian made Viagra before to try. Similar side effects but not as intense. Other buddies have been ripped off with online offers and received duds from the same website. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Is it possible to buy a generic without any side effects at all. Is it possible to have these drugs sent to China? Thanks.
OAH
Jackson has sold a banner ad to a supplier of generic Viagra from India. Anyone used it? Any good?
This is the site
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=938
ES
I have used All Day Chemist, out of India, for over five years. I compared them to prescription and found no difference. Google ADC. Good price. I do not know if they will send them to China. I have them sent to the US and I get enough at one time to last me a year.
I have been using Thailand bought generic Viagra and Cialis made in India but the side effects, headaches, loss of energy and even upper chest pains, are very bad. The headaches are constant. I need to find an alternative. Some mongering buddies have given me other Indian made Viagra before to try. Similar side effects but not as intense. Other buddies have been ripped off with online offers and received duds from the same website. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Is it possible to buy a generic without any side effects at all. Is it possible to have these drugs sent to China? Thanks.
OAH
Loveasiangirls
09-26-09, 17:41
I spent the past few days (sept 22-25) in China - Chang Ping/dongguan and Guangzhou specifically - and could NOT get on ISG at all. I had in the past had only had minor problems trying to get on ISG but this past few days is definitely different/ a real problem.
I tried all sorts of proxies, different computers and locations and the most I could get to was the first forum page; when I click on a specific thread - I would then be thrown out. I'm now back in Hong Kong and thus able to access/post.
Any of you reading this from China at present? If so, please advise how you got on.
Any of you who posted up a report the last few days - did you do it from China - and if so, same question: How did you get on ISG?
I even tried using my friend's VPN service and that didn't work either. So if you got on from China the past few days using a VPN system, please advise which VPN service you used
thanks
SEAJ
I am in Beijing now and can access it. I use witopia. A friend uses this one, you can try it: http://www.itshidden.com/
That one is free.
Loveasiangirls
09-26-09, 17:43
I have been using Thailand bought generic Viagra and Cialis made in India but the side effects, headaches, loss of energy and even upper chest pains, are very bad. The headaches are constant. I need to find an alternative. Some mongering buddies have given me other Indian made Viagra before to try. Similar side effects but not as intense. Other buddies have been ripped off with online offers and received duds from the same website. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Is it possible to buy a generic without any side effects at all. Is it possible to have these drugs sent to China? Thanks.
OAH
I don't know about you but when it comes to chemical that I take in my body, I prefer to know what I am taking. So no fake stuff for me. Easy to get the real thing without prescription here in Beijing or HK so why take risks. It is not a bargain however but I am willing to pay the price to protect my health.
I have been using Thailand bought generic Viagra and Cialis made in India but the side effects, headaches, loss of energy and even upper chest pains, are very bad. The headaches are constant. I need to find an alternative. Some mongering buddies have given me other Indian made Viagra before to try. Similar side effects but not as intense. Other buddies have been ripped off with online offers and received duds from the same website. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Is it possible to buy a generic without any side effects at all. Is it possible to have these drugs sent to China? Thanks.
OAH
I've found that the chewable ones and the gel ones have almost no side effects. The first ones I get them from Argentina and the gel ones are available in Bangkok.
Jessie James
09-27-09, 03:39
I want to answer the VPN question but I will also post it in the China general area where I think we should continue this talk. It is important, but not specific to Beijing.
I joined ISG while I was in the states and had long been thinking about the problem of access to ISG when I returned, but I did nothing while I was there. After my return and waiting a week for the guy to come and hook up the internet I tried to get to the site without success. I spent my first day with internet looking for a free VPN but about 50% were blocked and after installing the 4 that I could get to, I ended up in failure. I started looking at paid VPNs, but I didn’t want to spend $30 to $40 for the first time setup fee just to discover I couldn’t use it. I found one that is a ‘prepaid VPN’. I spent $8.50USD for 5GB transfer and when I use it up I will need to buy more. It was easy to set up and it worked the first time and since I just use it to come to ISG I think 5GB will last a while. (I would love to know more about your VPN experiences and you all feel prepaid is a good way or not. Please post in China General Thread.) Open VPN dot net. So, unless anyone knows a reliable free VPN then I suggest you go the paid route.
SJames
Oh Ya Papi
09-27-09, 18:37
I am thinking of going to China for 2 or 3 weeks, of course I will tour the wall, but where is the best places to monger? Thanks alot helpin a newbee I need the info!
Fast Eddie 48
09-28-09, 00:39
I am thinking of going to China for 2 or 3 weeks, of course I will tour the wall, but where is the best places to monger? Thanks alot helpin a newbee I need the info! Larenzo,
If you are a first timer you should pick Bejing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Macau and Hangzhou, not the cheapest city for mongering but it is tourist friendly and more english spoke, read the forum and do some study yourself.
Fast Eddie 48
Try v tunnel . com
Works in PRC.
Just my experience.
P13
I am thinking of going to China for 2 or 3 weeks, of course I will tour the wall, but where is the best places to monger? Thanks alot helpin a newbee I need the info!
Experienced members are probably happy to advise ... ... ... but will you report back on your experiences?
Probably not ... ... ...
P13
I will try it.
http://vtunnel.com
Try v tunnel . com
Works in PRC.
Just my experience.
P13
Da Dicknotist
09-29-09, 15:31
I am absolutely stunned to see that the Chinese government has managed to block the Tor project. I thought that was specifically meant to get around things like this? They received a lot of publicity when the Iranian election happened, but I guess the Chinese government is better at their Internet filtering...
Anyone have a Tor like alternative?
Loveasiangirls
09-30-09, 07:44
I want to answer the VPN question but I will also post it in the China general area where I think we should continue this talk. It is important, but not specific to Beijing.
I joined ISG while I was in the states and had long been thinking about the problem of access to ISG when I returned, but I did nothing while I was there. After my return and waiting a week for the guy to come and hook up the internet I tried to get to the site without success. I spent my first day with internet looking for a free VPN but about 50% were blocked and after installing the 4 that I could get to, I ended up in failure. I started looking at paid VPNs, but I didn’t want to spend $30 to $40 for the first time setup fee just to discover I couldn’t use it. I found one that is a ‘prepaid VPN’. I spent $8.50USD for 5GB transfer and when I use it up I will need to buy more. It was easy to set up and it worked the first time and since I just use it to come to ISG I think 5GB will last a while. (I would love to know more about your VPN experiences and you all feel prepaid is a good way or not. Please post in China General Thread.) Open VPN dot net. So, unless anyone knows a reliable free VPN then I suggest you go the paid route.
SJames
You can try this free one: http://www.itshidden.com/
I had quite a lot of problems with proxies to connect out of China and to access ISG in the past few weeks and months. I have the impression that the censorship was intensified ahead of the 60th national day - and possibly the world exhibition in Shanghai next year.
I tried a number of proxies and can share one that worked on October 3, 2009. Since proxies tend to be blocked as soon as the government finds them, I prefer to PM. I will send the information to senior members (only) if you PM me.
Wonderer
Member #1604
10-06-09, 07:05
I had quite a lot of problems with proxies to connect out of China and to access ISG in the past few weeks and months. I have the impression that the censorship was intensified ahead of the 60th national day - and possibly the world exhibition in Shanghai next year.
I tried a number of proxies and can share one that worked on October 3, 2009. Since proxies tend to be blocked as soon as the government finds them, I prefer to PM. I will send the information to senior members (only) if you PM me.
Wonderer
Wonderer has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.
Allow me to reiterate my proxy and VPN warnings:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=919091&postcount=1424
Oh Ya Papi
10-18-09, 04:08
Presumsous,
Experienced members are probably happy to advise , but will you report back on your experiences?
Probably not.
P13
Here is a simple lesson learned the hard way, but luckily everything came out o.k. I went to an ATM, select English, select withdraw, money comes amazingly quick, then the screen says "Want advice?" Well I guessed it meant "want receipt"; I select yes, then a receipt comes out with illegible print. O.K. I take my cash and am on my way to the local BBS for an afternoon delight. Those reading this probably realize what happened before I did. I left without my card! The machine does not eject it like in USA with or before the receipt. So the next morning after realizing this I went back. No one turned in a card to the desk. I was feeling sick to my stomach, because as the machine was tested with another card, after the machine gives the receipt, it defaults back to the choice screen of "withdraw" etc. However, if no uses it after 10 minutes the machine eats the card. I am thankful that is what apparently happened.
In Taiwan, the machine returns your card before the cash. Secondly even if you want to do a second transaction in the same machine containing your card, you need to re-enter your PIN. Painfully slow, but much more secure than this set-up. I called my bank and told them I lost the ATM card.
Whether nervous, excited, distracted by the thought of young sweet girls, be mindful to always check twice that you have the card, cash and receipt.
Here is a simple lesson learned the hard way, but luckily everything came out o.k. I went to an ATM, select English, select withdraw, money comes amazingly quick, then the screen says "Want advice?" Well I guessed it meant "want receipt"; I select yes, then a receipt comes out with illegible print. O.K. I take my cash and am on my way to the local BBS for an afternoon delight. Those reading this probably realize what happened before I did. I left without my card! The machine does not eject it like in USA with or before the receipt. So the next morning after realizing this I went back. No one turned in a card to the desk. I was feeling sick to my stomach, because as the machine was tested with another card, after the machine gives the receipt, it defaults back to the choice screen of "withdraw" etc. However, if no uses it after 10 minutes the machine eats the card. I am thankful that is what apparently happened.
In Taiwan, the machine returns your card before the cash. Secondly even if you want to do a second transaction in the same machine containing your card, you need to re-enter your PIN. Painfully slow, but much more secure than this set-up. I called my bank and told them I lost the ATM card.
Whether nervous, excited, distracted by the thought of young sweet girls, be mindful to always check twice that you have the card, cash and receipt.You never mentioned the bank name of the ATM in question. If I can find it, I always use a non-Chinese ATM (Citibank, Standard Chartered, etc.). I'm more concerned about getting counterfeit bills than anything else, and I figure foreign banks have better technology and are on a higher alert than the domestic banks.
As a bonus, the second transaction at foreign bank ATM's almost always requires re-entry of the PIN.
Even better, the local Citibank ATM I always use is a card dip type - meaning you slide your card in and pull back out manually (like at a gas pump in the US). The machine does not retain your card.
I suppose if you are in the sticks, you might not have a foreign bank ATM nearby, but in the big cities I always go out of my way to use them.
I have never had any problems with my debit card at ICBC in China. Yea, it's a plug for ICBC -- so be it. Have had a variety of problems with any other domestic Chinese bank.
You never mentioned the bank name of the ATM in question. If I can find it, I always use a non-Chinese ATM (Citibank, Standard Chartered, etc.). I'm more concerned about getting counterfeit bills than anything else, and I figure foreign banks have better technology and are on a higher alert than the domestic banks.
As a bonus, the second transaction at foreign bank ATM's almost always requires re-entry of the PIN.
Even better, the local Citibank ATM I always use is a card dip type - meaning you slide your card in and pull back out manually (like at a gas pump in the US). The machine does not retain your card.
I suppose if you are in the sticks, you might not have a foreign bank ATM nearby, but in the big cities I always go out of my way to use them.
I am wondering something. Has anyone tried using Craigslist to find girls in China? I noticed many ads in Shanghai for girls under "erotic".
Sukhumvitter
10-20-09, 00:06
Allow me to reiterate my proxy and VPN warnings:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=919091&postcount=1424
Zhuren has some good cautions. Read his post.
I use Witopia (witopia dot net) from China with no problem. 60 USD / year. Highly recommended. The main site is blocked in China so you have to set this up from outside China.
Don't use it for illegal stuff as per Zhuren's comments.
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OldAsiaHand
10-20-09, 02:10
Zhuren has some good cautions. Read his post.
I use Witopia (witopia dot net) from China with no problem. 60 USD / year. Highly recommended. The main site is blocked in China so you have to set this up from outside China.
Don't use it for illegal stuff as per Zhuren's comments.
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I also use Witopia but I went for the $40/year plan. I have no trouble with ISG access but I cannot get on youtube.
OAH
I also use Witopia but I went for the $40/year plan. I have no trouble with ISG access but I cannot get on youtube.
OAH
I think I found out why. ISG is only blocked by IP, youtube also on the Chinese DNS. Even you are on a VPN you possibly still use the Chinese DNS Server, autmatically set by DHCP.
Try to Set a DNS outside China manually, most preferably the DNS of the VPN provider.
Mock A Bee
10-20-09, 08:32
I think I found out why. ISG is only blocked by IP, youtube also on the Chinese DNS. Even you are on a VPN you possibly still use the Chinese DNS Server, autmatically set by DHCP.
Try to Set a DNS outside China manually, most preferably the DNS of the VPN provider.
Tiger 888,
I have tried using a different DNS, and it works to a small degree.
I still can't get facebook, youtube, video of any sort, and most blogs are blocked, using the Witopia vpn.
It works fine for ISG, but then again, I think the govt wants us to keep using it so we can continue to help them with monitoring activity.
If they can block Facebook even with a vpn, I don't see why they couldn't block ISG as well.
MAB
Mock A Bee
10-20-09, 08:34
I am wondering something. Has anyone tried using Craigslist to find girls in China? I noticed many ads in Shanghai for girls under "erotic".
For a while craigslist actually used to be ok. Now it is a complete waste of time. Too many pros have populated the listings. Legit girls are few and far between now.
Many cities are having trouble with the pros populating craigslist.
Very difficult to sort it all out now.
Not worth it anymore IMHO.
MAB
Mock A Bee
10-20-09, 08:37
Here is a simple lesson learned the hard way, but luckily everything came out o.k. I went to an ATM, select English, select withdraw, money comes amazingly quick, then the screen says "Want advice?" Well I guessed it meant "want receipt"; I select yes, then a receipt comes out with illegible print. O.K. I take my cash and am on my way to the local BBS for an afternoon delight. Those reading this probably realize what happened before I did. I left without my card! The machine does not eject it like in USA with or before the receipt. So the next morning after realizing this I went back. No one turned in a card to the desk. I was feeling sick to my stomach, because as the machine was tested with another card, after the machine gives the receipt, it defaults back to the choice screen of "withdraw" etc. However, if no uses it after 10 minutes the machine eats the card. I am thankful that is what apparently happened.
In Taiwan, the machine returns your card before the cash. Secondly even if you want to do a second transaction in the same machine containing your card, you need to re-enter your PIN. Painfully slow, but much more secure than this set-up. I called my bank and told them I lost the ATM card.
Whether nervous, excited, distracted by the thought of young sweet girls, be mindful to always check twice that you have the card, cash and receipt.
To my knowledge, most ATMs in China will simply eat your card after 30 seconds, so nobody else can try to use it.
MAB
For a while craigslist actually used to be ok. Now it is a complete waste of time. Too many pros have populated the listings. Legit girls are few and far between now.
Many cities are having trouble with the pros populating craigslist.
Very difficult to sort it all out now.
Not worth it anymore IMHO.
MAB
Sorry I was not clear. I was wondering if anyone has used Craigslist in China to find pro girls, i.e. hookers. I looked under "erotic services", which are presumed prostitutes.
Here is a simple lesson learned the hard way, but luckily everything came out o.k. I went to an ATM, select English, select withdraw, money comes amazingly quick, then the screen says "Want advice?" Well I guessed it meant "want receipt"; I select yes, then a receipt comes out with illegible print. O.K. I take my cash and am on my way to the local BBS for an afternoon delight. Those reading this probably realize what happened before I did. I left without my card! The machine does not eject it like in USA with or before the receipt. So the next morning after realizing this I went back. No one turned in a card to the desk. I was feeling sick to my stomach, because as the machine was tested with another card, after the machine gives the receipt, it defaults back to the choice screen of "withdraw" etc. However, if no uses it after 10 minutes the machine eats the card. I am thankful that is what apparently happened.
In Taiwan, the machine returns your card before the cash. Secondly even if you want to do a second transaction in the same machine containing your card, you need to re-enter your PIN. Painfully slow, but much more secure than this set-up. I called my bank and told them I lost the ATM card.
Whether nervous, excited, distracted by the thought of young sweet girls, be mindful to always check twice that you have the card, cash and receipt.
No, The machine doies not eat the card after 30 seconds. There is good 5 minutes. Some machines ask for the pin again if you ask for more cash.
Another thing is if you enter pin wrong more than three times your card will be frozen. It happened to me. The numbers in some ATM machines are reverse of what I am used to in USA. In a poorly lighted area in beijing I put wrong pin three times. The machine ate the card. There was no way to correct the problem till I came back home and requested another card and new pin number. So I had to skimp on expenses because I carry only debit card when travelling.
Sukhumvitter
10-20-09, 16:24
Tiger 888,
I have tried using a different DNS, and it works to a small degree.
I still can't get facebook, youtube, video of any sort, and most blogs are blocked, using the Witopia vpn.
It works fine for ISG, but then again, I think the govt wants us to keep using it so we can continue to help them with monitoring activity.
If they can block Facebook even with a vpn, I don't see why they couldn't block ISG as well.
MAB
I don't know why, but I have access to facebook, youtube, etc, etc without any trouble using the witopia VPN.
OAH, next time you are in Shenzhen we'll have to go over your settings.
Good luck, play safe!
I don't know why, but I have access to facebook, youtube, etc, etc without any trouble using the witopia VPN.
OAH, next time you are in Shenzhen we'll have to go over your settings.
Good luck, play safe!It may depend on the way you connect your vpn. I use openvpn and different providers provide different settings. You definitely need to check the details after connecting.
two commands will show what it is:
ipconfig /all for the DNS settings
and
route print to see the default gateway
To see in which country the dns server is, use http://whatismyipaddress.com/
Allow me to reiterate my proxy and VPN warnings:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=919091&postcount=1424
Nice report Zhuren. Never had a clue here. Are you saying that if I use an Free proxie for ISG only in China, Im in danger of giving away all my other online private info is passwords etc??
Nice report Zhuren. Never had a clue here. Are you saying that if I use an Free proxie for ISG only in China, Im in danger of giving away all my other online private info is passwords etc??
No and yes.
All information you send via the proxy (except end-to-end SSL traffic, for instance with https:// sites) is available to the person(s) operating the proxy server. It can stored, traced back to you etc.
No, because if you use the proxy only to access ISG, only your ISG login and userid will be known.
Yes, because now the other side has also access to your account page, can trace back your real email address, stored PMs, et al. With a little cross referencing, you'll be an open book.
Yes, because using a proxy requires you to change browser settings, and how often did you forget to set them back to normal before using other sites.
Yes, because one of the easiest ways to sneak keyloggers and other malware on your computer is via the proxy link.
The safe way is to use a reputable paid VPN. OpenVPN-based, not PPTP. PPTP is easy to crack and usually uses DNS in the clear. That's why many people have problems with some sites even when "using a VPN."
OpenVPN, if set-up right, uses the DNS on the other side. Some services, namely Witopia, require some fiddling with the config file, but usually can be made to work.
The safest way is to use your own server back home. Then, your info is only known to you, and possibly your wife and her nerd boyfriend who helps her spy on you while you are away chasing pussy.
You should definitely stay clear from VPNs that are operated by a cult that is classified as a terrorist group in China, and that seeks or has received financial support for their VPN from the US government. (http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/06/14/will-green-dam-block-everything/#comment-82955) Nuff said ...
No and yes.
All information you send via the proxy (except end-to-end SSL traffic, for instance with https:// sites) is available to the person(s) operating the proxy server. It can stored, traced back to you etc.
No, because if you use the proxy only to access ISG, only your ISG login and userid will be known.
Yes, because now the other side has also access to your account page, can trace back your real email address, stored PMs, et al. With a little cross referencing, you'll be an open book.
Yes, because using a proxy requires you to change browser settings, and how often did you forget to set them back to normal before using other sites.
Yes, because one of the easiest ways to sneak keyloggers and other malware on your computer is via the proxy link.
The safe way is to use a reputable paid VPN. OpenVPN-based, not PPTP. PPTP is easy to crack and usually uses DNS in the clear. That's why many people have problems with some sites even when "using a VPN."
OpenVPN, if set-up right, uses the DNS on the other side. Some services, namely Witopia, require some fiddling with the config file, but usually can be made to work.
The safest way is to use your own server back home. Then, your info is only known to you, and possibly your wife and her nerd boyfriend who helps her spy on you while you are away chasing pussy.
You should definitely stay clear from VPNs that are operated by a cult that is classified as a terrorist group in China, and that seeks or has received financial support for their VPN from the US government. (http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/2009/06/14/will-green-dam-block-everything/#comment-82955) Nuff said ...
Im using heavymist.com as a proxie here. any comments on this one?
PC out
Im using heavymist.com as a proxie here. any comments on this one?
PC out
Same warnings as in http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=919091&postcount=1424 apply to all proxys
Hi All,
Not sure if the great wall open up the IGS site but I was able to get through without a problem and didn't have to use any proxy today. Can other ppl in China confirm this?
To my knowledge, most ATMs in China will simply eat your card after 30 seconds, so nobody else can try to use it.
MAB
This is true - most ATMs will eat your card in about 30 seconds to prevent misuse/theft. I had it happen once while on the phone, fortunately inside the bank they saw a frustrated laowei trying to figure out what happened and sent out a bank associate that spoke English and they got my card back for me by calling the ATM guy. note this was a bank location atm, and it seems that the bank if open can return card. else you can come back in the morning and ask them to get it for you. you will obviously need id.
This is true - most ATMs will eat your card in about 30 seconds to prevent misuse/theft. I had it happen once while on the phone, fortunately inside the bank they saw a frustrated laowei trying to figure out what happened and sent out a bank associate that spoke English and they got my card back for me by calling the ATM guy. note this was a bank location atm, and it seems that the bank if open can return card. else you can come back in the morning and ask them to get it for you. you will obviously need id.
I have once forgot to take the card after withdrawal and left the atm. Realising , I return after 2 mins and the card was gone. I reported to the bank inside the building and was told the atm guy will only be around next morning.
Next morning when I came , the bank go through all atm cards and informed me that mine was not retrieved.
Luckily no money was withdrawn. I reported loss and got a new card.
Next time I will not take the risk if card is not retrieve immediately through the bank. There was 20k inside the account,.
Also if you can report loss through phone and they will suspend your card transaction after verifying your identity through questions.
I just returned to Guangzhou and they seem to be becoming pretty lax about the health checks. You still have to fill in the form but they just take it from you and wave you onto the immigration counters.
A couple of months ago, they were coming on every plane and checking temperatures before letting you off. Then, they elimimated this practice but checked the health forms very carefully. Now, it's a breeze again.
OAHThey're using infrared cameras to measure body temperatures as you come off of the air planes now. The way stuff they were doing were just stop-gaps until more proper measures can be placed I am sure.
Sagami offers 0.02 condoms!
After the success of the Okamoto 0.03 the Sagami offers now 0.02 thick condoms. I saw them in Hong Kong today. I couldn't test them yet as the shop didn't offer such service.
The 4-pack is HK$46 , the 12pack is HK$126 - quite a bit more expensive then the Okamoto 0.03 - BUT I have to tell you, the Okamoto 0.03 is already well worth the extra money.
Hey, is there a .01 condom? Just wondering cause rumor has it that there IS, but I've yet to see it or heard of its existence.
Bruce,
There is a 0.01 condom. I think SEAJoe knows where to get them. I have a pack that was given by a friend. And that thing is Thin!!!! I think you can get it in Guangzhou I believe.
AsnDragon
Hey, is there a .01 condom? Just wondering cause rumor has it that there IS, but I've yet to see it or heard of its existence.
Fast Eddie 48
11-22-09, 04:44
Bruce,
There is a 0. 01 condom. I think SEAJoe knows where to get them. I have a pack that was given by a friend. And that thing is Thin! I think you can get it in Guangzhou I believe.
AsnDragonASN
Okamoto 0. 01 come in silver gold and platnium, our late buddy bill Lee turn me on to them a few yr back, now I have seen it at Walmart shenzhen in the front counter and park and shop in shenzhen, they are expensive 5 pkg gold cost 75 rmb but is great feel like going bare back.
Fast Eddie 48
Okamoto 0. 01 come in silver gold and platnium, our late buddy bill Lee turn me on to them a few yr back, now I have seen it at Walmart shenzhen in the front counter and park and shop in shenzhen, they are expensive 5 pkg gold cost 75 rmb but is great feel like going bare back.
Howcome I've not seen them in CP? Are they really that hard to find?
A friend told me they sell it in HK, but not in China. Perhaps in the sex specialty stores...
does anyone have a pic or where to find them (besides that Walmart)?
Fast Eddie 48
11-23-09, 03:08
Howcome I've not seen them in CP? Are they really that hard to find?
A friend told me they sell it in HK, but not in China. Perhaps in the sex specialty stores.
Does anyone have a pic or where to find them (besides that Walmart)?to bruce
I think you need to go to a big city like shenzhen or HK, I cannot even find them in Shanghai, only big store have them because of the high cost most local don't use them, so bring your own if you are going to CP.
Fast Eddie 48
Blacklisted
11-28-09, 11:16
ASN
Okamoto 0. 01 come in silver gold and platnium, our late buddy bill Lee turn me on to them a few yr back, now I have seen it at Walmart shenzhen in the front counter and park and shop in shenzhen, they are expensive 5 pkg gold cost 75 rmb but is great feel like going bare back.
Fast Eddie 48
Hi Eddie,
Fully agree- worth the extra cash and with a bit of lube they are the business!
World Guy Sh
11-28-09, 16:29
Howcome I've not seen them in CP? Are they really that hard to find?
A friend told me they sell it in HK, but not in China. Perhaps in the sex specialty stores.I saw them in CP in April. Partly as I was pointing them out to Blacklisted who likes them (see below). In a store just down from the White Swan hotel before you get to the new hotel on the same side (on the corner). OK, my mind is foggy but they were defo there, in the glass counter with all the others.
You can get them in any Lawsen / Alldays in Shanghai
WGS
I got this from another site, but it's pretty recent, so I'm relaying it here.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091125/ap_on_he_me/as_china_aids
UNAIDS: Sex main cause for HIV spreading in China
By ELAINE KURTENBACH, Associated Press Writer Elaine Kurtenbach, Associated Press Writer
Wed Nov 25, 1:06 am ET
SHANGHAI – The virus that causes AIDS is now spreading fastest in China through heterosexual sex, a trend demanding new strategies to stave off a rebound in the epidemic after years of progress in containing it, a United Nations report said.
Data show that 40 percent of new HIV infections diagnosed in China were acquired through heterosexual contact, with homosexual sex accounting for 32 percent and most of the remainder related to drug abuse, which was previously the main source of infections and the government's main focus for prevention.
The rate of infections through heterosexual sex in China tripled between 2005-2007, according to the report released Tuesday in Shanghai by UNAIDS. Since 2007, the number of infections through homosexual sex has more than doubled.
"We are transitioning. We are seeing a shift in the nature of the epidemic," said Michel Sidibe, executive director for UNAIDS. Similar trends in Asia and Africa highlight the need to focus on populations most at risk, such as migrants and sex workers, he said.
"We need to ensure resource allocation is responding to that change," Sidibe said.
The government remains sensitive about the disease, regularly cracking down on activists and patients who seek more support and rights.
In Beijing on Wednesday, a group of more than 30 AIDS patients from Henan province were detained shortly after protesting for compensation outside the Health Ministry building, according to their legal adviser, Jiang Tianyong.
Most of the patients were infected with HIV/AIDS through blood transfusions at hospitals in Henan, according to one of the protesters surnamed Gao, who tested positive in 2007, after her husband died from AIDS.
"We've petitioned the local government, but they've ignored us, so we have nowhere left to go," said Gao, who has already traveled to Beijing twice this year to petition for additional compensation.
"Our local hospital in Kaifeng does not have the adequate experts and medication to treat patients like us. We need specialized care, which is why we have to turn to the central government for help."
Gao, whose husband unknowingly contracted HIV after selling his blood in 1993, traveled eight hours by train to Beijing to petition for compensation.
Officials from the ministry and police officers detained the group of more than 30 protesters, including four children with HIV/AIDS, according to Gao.
As a single mother, Gao said her unemployment benefits add up to only $90 a month. That is not enough to cover schooling costs for her 12-year-old son and rent, since her house was sold to pay hospital costs for her husband's treatment.
China's health minister, Chen Zhu, reported that as of the end of October, the number of Chinese confirmed to be living with HIV-AIDS was 319,877, up from 264,302 last year and 135,630 reported in 2005. But Chen said the actual level of infections is probably near 740,000.
AIDS was the top killer among infectious diseases in China for the first time last year, a fact that may reflect improved reporting of HIV/AIDS statistics in recent years as the country slowly acknowledges the problem.
"In China, we have a long way to go to prevent and control HIV-AIDS," Chen said, while defending the government's policies toward the disease as "open and transparent."
The HIV virus that causes AIDS gained a foothold in China largely due to unsanitary blood plasma-buying schemes and tainted transfusions in hospitals. But last year, health authorities said sex had overtaken drug abuse as the main cause of HIV infections.
HIV's spread has been accelerated by China's thriving sex industry: about 37 million men are estimated to be clients of female sex workers, and surveys show that 60 percent do not regularly use condoms, the UNAIDS report said.
Such factors contributed to a doubling in women's share of HIV cases in China in the past decade, it said.
China's policy of tolerating the sex industry while outlawing it has long prevented effective efforts to promote education and testing among sex workers, though Chen said the government intends to improve education and prevention.
Fast Eddie 48
11-30-09, 03:51
I got this from another site, but it's pretty recent, so I'm relaying it here.
"We've petitioned the local government, but they've ignored us, so we have nowhere left to go, " said Gao, who has already traveled to Beijing twice this year to petition for additional compensation.
"Our local hospital in Kaifeng does not have the adequate experts and medication to treat patients like us. We need specialized care, which is why we have to turn to the central government for help. "
Gao, whose husband unknowingly contracted HIV after selling his blood in 1993, traveled eight hours by train to Beijing to petition for compensation.
Officials from the ministry and police officers detained the group of more than 30 protesters, including four children with HIV/AIDS, according to Gao.
As a single mother, Gao said her unemployment benefits add up to only $90 a month. That is not enough to cover schooling costs for her 12-year-old son and rent, since her house was sold to pay hospital costs for her husband's treatment.
China's health minister, Chen Zhu, reported that as of the end of October, the number of Chinese confirmed to be living with HIV-AIDS was 319, 877, up from 264, 302 last year and 135, 630 reported in 2005. But Chen said the actual level of infections is probably
HIV's spread has been accelerated by China's thriving sex industry: about 37 million men are estimated to be clients of female sex workers, and surveys show that 60 percent do not regularly use condoms, the UNAIDS report said.To bruce
I think 60 % of SW don't use condom is too high of a number, I understand most young girl in China is very naive but most pro I been with always demand to use condom and I will always use it myself, never take a chance in any country for p4p.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie,
I agree with you, 60% seems to be very high of a number. I also agree that you should always wear a condom regardless, not just for P4P. In fact the easiest way to get diseases is to let your guard down with supposed "girlfriends"- Cause you never know who your girl is screwing without you knowing. So always put a hat on it! that's my policy!
AsnDragon
To bruce
I think 60 % of SW don't use condom is too high of a number, I understand most young girl in China is very naive but most pro I been with always demand to use condom and I will always use it myself, never take a chance in any country for p4p.
Fast Eddie 48
ManonsanBoy
11-30-09, 20:53
Fast Eddie,
I agree with you, 60% seems to be very high of a number. I also agree that you should always wear a condom regardless, not just for P4P. In fact the easiest way to get diseases is to let your guard down with supposed "girlfriends"- Cause you never know who your girl is screwing without you knowing. So always put a hat on it! that's my policy!
AsnDragon
I think 60 % is about right. They all start off using it but if you try...........test them
SE Asia Joe
12-03-09, 06:29
Just a C+P of some information I just received.
As below, this type of scam started in Bangkok Suvanabum airport and has now 'migrated' to Kula Lumpur.... and wonder when it will reach China.
SEAJ
FIRST AIRPORT DUTY FREE AT BANGKOK AIRPORT AND NOW THIS
PUSH-POCKETING IN KUALA LUMPUR
I am sure you all have heard of 'pick pocket'.
A new trend 'push pocket'.
Read on... for your own good
A few days ago a new type of crime has surfaced in town.
It goes something like this:-
Somebody slips a hand-phone into your pocket,
sometimes it could be just a wallet with
an identity card and a few ringgit.
A few minutes later, the 'owner' comes up
and confronts you, the 'thief '.
He makes a big commotion that you stole his stuff.
You, caught unaware, are then pulled aside by the
'owner' for a settlement. You are intimidated and threatened
that if you do not pay up the police will be brought in.
If you pay up, this 'owner' lets you go.
If not, the police are brought in.
Another strange thing is that there always seems
to be a 'witness' to your 'theft'.
I am told this often happens to foreigners at
the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA)
or even at LRT trains.
Given that you're 'guilty until proven innocent'
as far as the Malaysian police are concerned,
I understand some poor people are in jail for
these 'offences'.
At the KLIA, the 'owner' throws his hand-phone and
wallet with the few ringgit notes into the luggage
trolley of a just arrived passenger.
The drama unfolds a few minutes later.
The real culprit has easily convinced our Malaysian police
to arrest the real victim (if he has not paid up the 'settlement' demand).
This is a very serious matter.
This is another form of extortionists operating in broad daylight.
They are disgusting criminals who wi! ll do anything
to rob and steal. The sickening part of the whole
scenario is that unless you pay the 'quoted settlement' money,
they will put you in real trouble by calling the police..
The real culprit gets back his hand-phone
and wallet but the real victim ( i.e. could be any one of us)
is thrown into the police lock up and charged in court.
So do be very careful,
otherwise you may end up as a 'thief'
as you have no way to prove your innocence..
Pass it on.....
let more people be aware
of such things around them.
Geh Cheng Lok & Co,Advocates & Solicitors
For every 50 words of Chinese you learn, you double the chances of a potential catch (or freebie, girlfriend etc.)
I speak from experience.
Recently a new special friend has appeared in my life.
From dating site, to QQ, to my bed, in the space of 3 weeks. She invited herself and I happily acquiesced. 6 bone-jarring hours on a slow train, no problem!
Her English: a small amount of written, and even smaller amount of spoken. My Chinese: written, growing daily; spoken, growing daily slowly.
GFE: 10
age: mid-30s
last f*ck: her – 2 years, me – 3 weeks
body: 9 (a former gymnast, with delicious long legs), exothermic in bed (my first in China! (great in winter))
B cup, one of my few in China (why oh why are there so many A cups?). Delightful to see the sympathetic oscillations during the long shoves, the asymmetrical oscillations during the medium shoves and the random and lateral oscillations during the very short shoves!
thatch: very thick, as expected, but successfully penetrated by my tongue.
nothing was off limits (but anal not tried, and probably not welcomed)
in love?: she – a lot, me – a little
marriage?: watch this space.
SE Asia Joe
12-04-09, 08:15
in love?: she – a lot, me – a little
marriage?: watch this space.
Man o Man O man...... do you really want to go down this road??!!
Think about it properly even before you make your FIRST thought/step down this slippery path!!
Just IMHO
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
12-04-09, 17:13
I think 60 % is about right. They all start off using it but if you try...........test them
If the survey was taken among the local punters, 60% may even be a low estimate. Most of the time I have tested girls, they are willing to go BB. I nearly always cover up for P4P, but hardly ever for freebies.
Just my POV.
OAH
Captain Yonoi
12-05-09, 05:04
Once again I call on advice from the seniors. I'm considering coming to China from Japan in the spring. Here in the land of the rising sun, I have become a big fan of "Soaplands". After researching the China forums, it looks like "Saunas" are right up my alley.
In general, are saunas foreigner friendly?
Can I get into them with little to no Chinese language ability?
As far as raids go, are saunas any "Safer" than KTV, bbs or s-walkers?
Thanks. Be safe over there.
ASN
Okamoto 0. 01 come in silver gold and platnium, our late buddy bill Lee turn me on to them a few yr back, now I have seen it at Walmart shenzhen in the front counter and park and shop in shenzhen, they are expensive 5 pkg gold cost 75 rmb but is great feel like going bare back.
Fast Eddie 48
I was at a BHG Grocery store in Beijing recently and saw 0.003 condoms available near the check out stand. Not sure if they were Okamoto, but they were around 150 RMB per pack of 10. There are several of these stores in Beijing, so it might be worth checking out.
Sammy
SE Asia Joe
12-05-09, 06:29
I was at a BHG Grocery store in Beijing recently and saw 0.003 condoms available near the check out stand. Not sure if they were Okamoto, but they were around 150 RMB per pack of 10. There are several of these stores in Beijing, so it might be worth checking out.
Sammy
I just bought a 6 pack of Sagami 002 "Quick" with the roll-on tab for easier rolling on for HK$79.80 at Watson's. This is made of the polyurethane (which rolls on rather stiff, but soften up nicely when used and allows one to feel each others' warmth and moisture) .
Note that Sagami extreme is 0.03 but made of latex like most other condoms - the same as the 0.03 Okamoto Platinum.
I could NOT find any 001's mentioned earlier in Hong Kong - and I remember I actually got those in China for real cheap. Half the Sky condoms 001, website www.cdoupai.com, (028)6659 5041/2. But I thought that it felt as "thick" as the regular 0.03 Okamoto's - and since they ARE made in China and out of latex, I seriously doubt its claim and think that oo1 is probably only a brand which is NOT reflected in a 10 micron thickness of the condom.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
12-05-09, 08:25
I was at a BHG Grocery store in Beijing recently and saw 0.003 condoms available near the check out stand. Not sure if they were Okamoto, but they were around 150 RMB per pack of 10. There are several of these stores in Beijing, so it might be worth checking out.
SammyTo sammy T
I only seen them in 5 pkg the one I try is the platinum and the aloe, I seen the gold in promo pkg of 7 you get 2 extra for free.
http://asp.okamoto-condoms.com.sg/prdt_003.htm
Fast Eddie 48
To sammy T
I only seen them in 5 pkg the one I try is the platinum and the aloe, I seen the gold in promo pkg of 7 you get 2 extra for free.
http://asp.okamoto-condoms.com.sg/prdt_003.htm
Fast Eddie 48
Yes! It was the Aloe ones I saw. They were available in packs of 5 and 10. Anyway, if you are looking for condoms in Beijing this might be a good alternative. Just remember that, just like everything else in China, they may be fake.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2009-11/483888.html
Sammy
Fast Eddie 48
12-09-09, 17:35
Yes! It was the Aloe ones I saw. They were available in packs of 5 and 10. Anyway, if you are looking for condoms in Beijing this might be a good alternative. Just remember that, just like everything else in China, they may be fake.
http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2009-11/483888.html
SammySammy,
Yes there are fake one out there and that is why I only buy them in HK or a big store like Walmart and Park and Shop.
have you seen the Okamoto nude ultra thin is made of polyurethane and hard to find anywhere.
Fast Eddie 48
SEAjoe,
I actually tried the 0.01 from china. They don't seem to be any thinner than 0.02 or 0.03 from sagami. I bought a pack from Dr. J last time. Don't get me wrong, it still feels really thin though. I guess we should trust japanese products?
AsnDragon
I just bought a 6 pack of Sagami 002 "Quick" with the roll-on tab for easier rolling on for HK$79.80 at Watson's. This is made of the polyurethane (which rolls on rather stiff, but soften up nicely when used and allows one to feel each others' warmth and moisture) .
Note that Sagami extreme is 0.03 but made of latex like most other condoms - the same as the 0.03 Okamoto Platinum.
I could NOT find any 001's mentioned earlier in Hong Kong - and I remember I actually got those in China for real cheap. Half the Sky condoms 001, website www.cdoupai.com, (028)6659 5041/2. But I thought that it felt as "thick" as the regular 0.03 Okamoto's - and since they ARE made in China and out of latex, I seriously doubt its claim and think that oo1 is probably only a brand which is NOT reflected in a 10 micron thickness of the condom.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
http://www.echinacities.com/main/ExpatCorner/ExpatsCorner.aspx?n=4424
http://www.echinacities.com/main/ExpatCorner/ExpatsCorner.aspx?n=4578&pageindex=1
I add that if de bruvvers out there know some Chinese language, then their odds improve considerably.
Enjoy.
P13
FernandoAlonso
12-13-09, 15:22
Once again I call on advice from the seniors. I'm considering coming to China from Japan in the spring. Here in the land of the rising sun, I have become a big fan of "Soaplands". After researching the China forums, it looks like "Saunas" are right up my alley.
In general, are saunas foreigner friendly?
Can I get into them with little to no Chinese language ability?
As far as raids go, are saunas any "Safer" than KTV, bbs or s-walkers?
Thanks. Be safe over there.1. Yes
2. Yes
3. NO
And RTFF
FernandoAlonso
12-13-09, 15:25
Bruce,
There is a 0.01 condom. I think SEAJoe knows where to get them. I have a pack that was given by a friend. And that thing is Thin!!!! I think you can get it in Guangzhou I believe.
AsnDragonAre you sure?
It is not on their website!
SE Asia Joe
12-14-09, 10:35
Are you sure?
It is not on their website!
Yes it IS on their website - those pictures moving in the middle shows the 001 brand
- and that is what I think it is - just a brand and NOT an indication that it is 10 micron the same way that the Sagami 002 is actually only 20 microns
SEAJ
Once again I call on advice from the seniors. I'm considering coming to China from Japan in the spring. Here in the land of the rising sun, I have become a big fan of "Soaplands". After researching the China forums, it looks like "Saunas" are right up my alley.
In general, are saunas foreigner friendly?
Can I get into them with little to no Chinese language ability?
As far as raids go, are saunas any "Safer" than KTV, bbs or s-walkers?
Thanks. Be safe over there.
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. NO
And RTFF
You are correct in that if you want something similar to a Japanese Soapland then you want a sauna experience. Different saunas offer different services, so you will want to make sure they have a VIP style room with a shower/bath tub. Otherwise you will still get full sesrvice, but not the same soapy experience.
In my opinion Saunas are relatively safe. Of course, it will depend on the class of sauna, ect. I typically only go to the nicer ones, which will of course also be more expensive. If you have been paying for soaplands in Japan then the cost will be similar. They usually have the rooms with the special service on the 3rd or 4th floor. I have always assumed that if the place was raided then would go out quickly to everyone on the top floor to put their clothes on, and by the time the cops got up there everyone would be "safe". I have heard stories where a sauna place will tell the cops the one room with the foreigner in it in order to protect their "regular" clients, but I have only heard such stories 2nd and 3rd hand.
The same goes for KTV - the rooms are typically far away from the entrance, giving everyone time to get "decent" before the cops could bust in. In addition, there is not that much action that takes place in the actual KTV outside of a little groping (at least in the North).
I think BBS would be the least safe, as they are just a simple room right off the street. Cops could quickly come in and catch you in the act.
Street walkers you typically take back to your place, so it should be as safe as your hotel/apartment. I have never heard of a "sting" operation in China where a street walker was an undercover cop, but I have heard of cops following couples out of the bar and back to the hotel. It is very rare, but happens.
Sammy
RAID in Henan earlier this year. Three hundred LE raided this sauna. Looking at the front door, It seems to be a high end place.
If someone has already posted these picture and this video, let me know so that I can delete them and this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHVJDx1BBYI
RAID in Henan earlier this year. Three hundred LE raid this sauna. Looking at the front door, It seems to be a high end place.
If someone has already posted these picture and this video, let me know so that I can delete them and this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHVJDx1BBYI
Interesting video. I think if I heard someone banging on the door I would hop up and get dressed, not just sit there naked for them to discover me. If the cops find 2 dressed adults in a room together, even if they are wearing "sauna" robes, can they still arrest you?
Sammy
Interesting video. I think if I heard someone banging on the door I would hop up and get dressed, not just sit there naked for them to discover me. If the cops find 2 dressed adults in a room together, even if they are wearing "sauna" robes, can they still arrest you?
Sammy
Sorry don't know the answer to your question.
IMHO, the first thing you should try is to change into your clothes and run out of the place. If you are trapped in a room, you should try to get rid of the condoms, and any vitamin pills out the window or toilet/sink if possible. Then maybe and wash your hands and the girl's hand. In the end, I don't believe you have time to do everything before LE gets into your room. In Shenzhen, I heard they examined girls hands under in-fared light.
In one of the pictures, I think the guy in glasses has his clothes in his hands.
Getting arrested and fined in a RAID is extremely rare but it does happen.
This is just my opinion.
If you have been paying for soaplands in Japan then the cost will be similar.
Some comments on Chinese soapies v.v. the Japanese:
1.) Very hard for a gaijin to be admitted to a Japanese soapland.
2.) If admitted, cost in Japan can be 5 to 10 times higher than in China
3.) The further South you get in China, the more creative the service seems to get
I'm sure you have all heard about Tiger Woods losing most of his advertizing contracts because he was fucking different gals, including a few hookers. I would imagine that some of his golf buddies were also his mongering buddies.
They say the contracts those pussies will cost him are valued at over a BILLION dollars! That makes me think, that must be a world record price for pussy.
Can any of you think of anything that compares? Any comments?
RAID in Henan earlier this year. Three hundred LE raided this sauna. Looking at the front door, It seems to be a high end place.
If someone has already posted these picture and this video, let me know so that I can delete them and this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHVJDx1BBYIThat scum bag in the 4th picture is why I can't stand Chinese cops. All tough shit when there's 499 buddies around a naked chick, but they don't do shit to clean up the streets from the real criminals.
There was one ballsy news net work in BJ that actually asked a legal expert whether the cop over stepped the line (something that never happens as cops are not accountable unless caught, no IA) and the legal expert basically avoided answering the question and said that cops have to execute the laws.
Some other dude died in police detention (not even tried yet) and all they got was 2 years in prison for like 3 cops.
California8
12-16-09, 17:31
I'm sure you have all heard about Tiger Woods losing most of his advertizing contracts because he was fucking different gals, including a few hookers. I would imagine that some of his golf buddies were also his mongering buddies.
They say the contracts those pussies will cost him are valued at over a BILLION dollars! That makes me think, that must be a world record price for pussy.
Can any of you think of anything that compares? Any comments?I know all his mistresses have been white gals but I do not think in all his trips to China to play golf tournaments, he just stayed in his room watching CNN. Would a KTV/sauna manager rat him out? Do they have tabloids in China that will pay for info or photos? Surely, someone had a cell phone to capture tiger's presence. Come to think of it, why wouldn't he ask for a Russian girl to be delivered?
Sorry, just thinking out loud
Cal8
OldAsiaHand
12-17-09, 02:53
Some comments on Chinese soapies v.v. the Japanese:
1.) Very hard for a gaijin to be admitted to a Japanese soapland.
2.) If admitted, cost in Japan can be 5 to 10 times higher than in China
3.) The further South you get in China, the more creative the service seems to get
Zhuren,
I agree that if you compare the quality of talent and the service, Chinese soaps are a far better value. That said, some Japanese soaps are not that more expensive. For example, New York, New York in Ueno only charges 9,700 JPY which is about 700 RMB but does not always include FS. The service is good, but the talent is older. The FS joints, mostly off limits to gaijin, start at around 15,000 JPY or 1,100 RMB but the gals and the service are comparable, albeit less time for the same money.
Just my POV.
OAH
I'm sure you have all heard about Tiger Woods losing most of his advertizing contracts because he was fucking different gals, including a few hookers. I would imagine that some of his golf buddies were also his mongering buddies.
They say the contracts those pussies will cost him are valued at over a BILLION dollars! That makes me think, that must be a world record price for pussy.
Can any of you think of anything that compares? Any comments?
Well, it's kind of apropos this being the China forum and all. Rupert Murdock paid over 1.7B to his ex-wife and then married a Chinese girl.
SE Asia Joe
12-17-09, 06:27
Well, it's kind of apropos this being the China forum and all. Rupert Murdock paid over 1.7B to his ex-wife and then married a Chinese girl.
And we only pay what.... RMB 200, 500,?? Even RMB 1,000 and some of us still biatches about one thing or another??
Some people.....!!
SEAJ
The Greek's say that Helen of Troy had a face that launched a thousand ships, and the Roman's said that Cleopatra cost Marc Anthony the Roman Empire, but I think the modern day prise must go to Wallis Simpson, a twice-divorced american. She cost Edward VIII his British Kingdom. In 1937 the British government refused to accept her as a legitimate candidate to be a wife for their king. Edward insisted that he had to have her pussy, so Edward had to abdicate.
He was also known to be pro Nazi and he believed that Hitler would reinstate him as King of a fascist England after the war. There are photos of him and his american wife with Hitler in 1938. Traitor!
Wallis Simpson cost him his kingdom, and she was an ugly biatch!
So a 1000rmb for a pretty gal? Peanuts!
Interesting..............
Wonder if our Bangkok innkeeper knows about this?
http://www.telegraph.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5922789/Recession-hit-brothels-offer-novel-promotions.htmlo.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5922789/Recession-hit-brothels-offer-novel-promotions.html
Interesting..............
Wonder if our Bangkok innkeeper knows about this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5922789/Recession-hit-brothels-offer-novel-promotions.htmlo.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5922789/Recession-hit-brothels-offer-novel-promotions.html
The link is broken. You might have cut and pasted incorrectly. I think Eaglestar should edit his post. After doing do, I will delete my post because it 's a waste of bandwidth.
The link is broken. You might have cut and pasted incorrectly.
Let's try again. I found it with a simple search on their site:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5922789/Recession-hit-brothels-offer-novel-promotions.html
J
SE Asia Joe
12-24-09, 07:24
Interesting..............
Wonder if our Bangkok innkeeper knows about this?
http://www.telegraph.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5922789/Recession-hit-brothels-offer-novel-promotions.htmlo.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5922789/Recession-hit-brothels-offer-novel-promotions.html
Just got done reading this.
What a helluva deal this is!!
China is very good at counterfeiting/imitating - and I surely hope that this will also be duplicated in china!
Hell, to a certain extent, they've already started with most sauna gals game to multiple pops/session - but multiple pops with DIFFERENT GALS??!! This is gonna be one great big hit - especially for the serial mongers amongst us!!
SEAJ
I would definitely agree with the German government that this would be degrading and unhealthy to the workers. Especially if they're compensated on a flat wage basis. Though still, I would go there once or twice to try in out, though I would be extra careful on going down on a girl or even kissing her haha.
I love oriental women and for the last couple of years while in Canada have mostly seen Asian SP's and high mileage MPA"s.
I am going to have a few months off this winter and am considering a trip to somewhere in Asia where I can get my fill (after spending some time in Mexico and Central America).
I am looking at Indonesia, Philipines, Thailand or maybe China.
I lived in Thailand for a year and Thai women are great, I love their femininity and softness. But Thailand itself and the whole P4P scene is a bit over the top. Pataya was too much, really.
So I'm looking for some opinions.
Indonesia and the women sound intriguing, as well as affordable. Jakarata itself though sounds llike a hole.
China doesn't look to be all that cheap in comparison to the others.
Philipines I am not sure about
Any ideas? All coments welcome.
Thanks
OldAsiaHand
12-26-09, 10:51
I love oriental women and for the last couple of years while in Canada have mostly seen Asian SP's and high mileage MPA"s.
I am going to have a few months off this winter and am considering a trip to somewhere in Asia where I can get my fill (after spending some time in Mexico and Central America).
I am looking at Indonesia, Philipines, Thailand or maybe China.
I lived in Thailand for a year and Thai women are great, I love their femininity and softness. But Thailand itself and the whole P4P scene is a bit over the top. Pataya was too much, really.
So I'm looking for some opinions.
Indonesia and the women sound intriguing, as well as affordable. Jakarata itself though sounds llike a hole.
China doesn't look to be all that cheap in comparison to the others.
Philipines I am not sure about
Any ideas? All coments welcome.
Thanks
Huevonn,
My vote is for Philippines. English is spoken there, it is easy and cheap to monger and there are some very nice beaches.
Although you can still manage to get action without the language in China, you will find it difficult to get around without it the rest of the time.
Indonesia is good for the experienced monger. The best opportunities are harder to find unless you know somebody on the ground. Language is also an issue.
Just my POV.
OAH
I am going to have a few months off this winter and am considering a trip to somewhere
I am looking at Indonesia, Philipines, Thailand or maybe China.
China has some very pretty women and can be fun, but it is not a good place for a long "vacation" during the cold winter months. You might consider a short stay in Southern China if the weather is good, but avoid the Chinese New Year.
And I would not recommend Hainan Island, but If you speak very good chinese it might be ok.
Hope that helps.
Forbidden Kid
12-30-09, 07:59
I love oriental women and for the last couple of years while in Canada have mostly seen Asian SP's and high mileage MPA"s.
I am going to have a few months off this winter and am considering a trip to somewhere in Asia where I can get my fill (after spending some time in Mexico and Central America).
I am looking at Indonesia, Philipines, Thailand or maybe China.
I lived in Thailand for a year and Thai women are great, I love their femininity and softness. But Thailand itself and the whole P4P scene is a bit over the top. Pataya was too much, really.
So I'm looking for some opinions.
Indonesia and the women sound intriguing, as well as affordable. Jakarata itself though sounds llike a hole.
China doesn't look to be all that cheap in comparison to the others.
Philipines I am not sure about
Any ideas? All coments welcome.
ThanksMy I suggest Hong Kong? Many people speak english there, at least the places for foreign people and mongering.
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 13:29
My I suggest Hong Kong? Many people speak english there, at least the places for foreign people and mongering.
NOPE - definitely NOT Hong Kong. Especially since Huevonn does seem to want to get the best bang for his buck. Unless you speak Chinese, In Hong Kong you're gonna gravitate towardsthe Thai, Pinay etc who do speak English ( to a fashion!) but who ARE gonna charge an arm and a leg. Why do these gals in Hong Kong for up to 5 times, or even more, than what you can do 'em in their own countries?!
And as for China - to a large extent, it CAN be quite expensive - but you're probably only looking at the reports here on the KTV's (which we do write about quite a lot here) and they CAN be expensive. But there ARE also cheap KTV's and one does not usually go every night to a KTV in China - unlike what you're pretty well forced to do in LOS/PI and with only the saunas to break the monotony AND the still quite expensive tarriff at these bars there.
In China, we break it up with BBS's, cheap and expensive KTV's and saunas - plus I know that a lot of guys go the chat/QQ route of trying to get freebies (pros and cons of which we're now discussing on the Dongguan boards). And of course the great Chinese food and cheap footsies!
My personal suggestion since you're gonna be here a FEW MONTHS - use Southern China (not Beijing/Shanghai as they're more expensive) as your base of operation with side trips to Macau and Hong Kong (just to see what it's all about and to experience the "MUST experience" that Macau is - a true heaven for the males!!). And then to catch the cheap budget flights (Air Asia to Thailand/malaysia and Cebu Pacific to PI).
The above is of course IMHO - but it is based on my having lived in this area for quite a few years (decades? How can it be - I'm only 25!!) and have had quite a few miles under my belt in just about all of the areas here.
Have fun and PLEASE report back. And remember, if what we suggest ain't accurate and you find it's all not what you were looking for, please do NOT come back with guns ablazing - we've had too much of this experience before on these boards. YMMV!! YMMV!
SEAJ
How can it be - I'm only 25!!
SEAJ
As they say your only as old as the woman you feel or deduct 10 years for every million just don't tell them its RMB. Happy new year.
My I suggest Hong Kong? Many people speak english there, at least the places for foreign people and mongering.
ehmm.. in HK you are going to pay/spend kidn of top prices for 'imported girls' who you can get at a fraction of the HK cost in their own home country (be it indonesia, vietnam etc).
You will have a variety, that the pro, compared to visit one specific country.
but this you can also get in KL...:)
Chocha Monger
01-09-10, 02:15
http://www.3news.co.nz/China-sex-toys-not-for-export/tabid/369/articleID/117250/Default.aspx
Folks,
I love China, but due to the damn economy, haven't been able to get on any buz trip for 1 year to China.. There is a upcoming buz trip (end of Jan), but going to Bangalore, India.
I am thinking to take the route via Asia rather than Europe, so I can enjoy some nice gals in China. Unfortunately, the connection flight between USA and Bangalore usually goes to HK, Singapore, or Thailand, but not any Chinese cities.
I am thinking to stop by HK, and then travel from HK to Beijing/Shanghai/CP for a couple of days. Or just forget about China, and just explore Singapore gals. I personally am not very interested in Thai gals.
BTW, I understand that CNY "effect", but I had some freebies in Beijing and Shanghai. I think I should be okay as long as I am there around end of Jan.
Would like to get some comment/feedback about my thinking. Any feedback/suggestion is greatly appreciated.
OldAsiaHand
01-10-10, 05:09
Folks,
I love China, but due to the damn economy, haven't been able to get on any buz trip for 1 year to China.. There is a upcoming buz trip (end of Jan), but going to Bangalore, India.
I am thinking to take the route via Asia rather than Europe, so I can enjoy some nice gals in China. Unfortunately, the connection flight between USA and Bangalore usually goes to HK, Singapore, or Thailand, but not any Chinese cities.
I am thinking to stop by HK, and then travel from HK to Beijing/Shanghai/CP for a couple of days. Or just forget about China, and just explore Singapore gals. I personally am not very interested in Thai gals.
BTW, I understand that CNY "effect", but I had some freebies in Beijing and Shanghai. I think I should be okay as long as I am there around end of Jan.
Would like to get some comment/feedback about my thinking. Any feedback/suggestion is greatly appreciated.
DogRice,
You will not find many native Singapore girls on the game (except a few over the hill ones). What you will find in Singapore are mainland Chinese, Thais, Filipinas, Viets, Indonesians, a few from S. America and the odd African.
You can get the same mix in Hong Kong, albeit slightly more expensive than Singpore, if that is what you fancy, as well as, cross the border and head for CP for P4P and hunt for freebies in SZ or GZ. It is much cheaper to fly from SZ or GZ to Beijing/Shanghai then it is from HK.
Just my POV.
OAH
This is a good video blog of an expat living in Shanghai. He talks about the VISA issues and many other issues related to foreigners living in China and how the Olympic is changing everything.
Hello All,
I am trying to get a hold of "Sam247". He had PM before because we exchanged PM. It seems like it's turned off for some reason. Can someone PM me his contact info.
Thanks.....
BEIJING (AFP) – More than 24 million Chinese men of marrying age could find themselves without spouses in 2020, state media reported on Monday, citing a study that blamed sex-specific abortions as a major factor.
The study, by the government-backed Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, named the gender imbalance among newborns as the most serious demographic problem for the country's population of 1.3 billion, the Global Times said.
"Sex-specific abortions remained extremely commonplace, especially in rural areas," where the cultural preference for boys over girls is strongest, the study said, while noting the reasons for the gender imbalance were "complex."
Researcher Wang Guangzhou said the skewed birth ratio could lead to difficulties for men with lower incomes in finding spouses, as well as a widening age gap between partners, according to the Global Times.
Another researcher quoted by the newspaper, Wang Yuesheng, said men in poorer parts of China would be forced to accept marriages late in life or remain single for life, which could "cause a break in family lines."
"The chance of getting married will be rare if a man is more than 40 years old in the countryside. They will be more dependent on social security as they age and have fewer household resources to rely on," Wang said.
The study said the key contributing factors to the phenomenon included the nation's family-planning policy, which restricts the number of children citizens may have, as well as an insufficient social security system.
The situation influenced people to seek male offspring, who are preferred for their greater earning potential as adults and thus their ability to care for their elderly parents.
The Global Times said abductions and trafficking of women were "rampant" in areas with excess numbers of men, citing the National Population and Family Planning Commission.
Illegal marriages and forced prostitution were also problems in those areas, it said.
Authorities put the normal male-female ratio at between 103-107 males for every 100 females. But in 2005, the last year for which data were made available, there were 119 boys for every 100 girls, the newspaper said.
However, the study said that in some areas the male-female ratio was as high as 130 males for every 100 females, a report by the Mirror Evening newspaper said.
The report said the study urged the government to relax the so-called "one-child" policy and study the possibility of encouraging "cross-country marriages."
China first implemented its population control policy in 1979, generally limiting families to one child, with some exceptions for rural farmers, ethnic minorities and other groups.
It has said the policy has averted 400 million births.
Researchers said the gender imbalance problem cropped up in the late 1980s when the use of ultrasound technology became more prevalent.
This allowed women to easily determine the sex of their foetuses, leading to an increased number of sex-selective abortions.
Chocha Monger
01-12-10, 10:41
BEIJING (AFP) – More than 24 million Chinese men of marrying age could find themselves without spouses in 2020, state media reported on Monday, citing a study that blamed sex-specific abortions as a major factor.
The study, by the government-backed Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, named the gender imbalance among newborns as the most serious demographic problem for the country's population of 1.3 billion, the Global Times said.
"Sex-specific abortions remained extremely commonplace, especially in rural areas," where the cultural preference for boys over girls is strongest, the study said, while noting the reasons for the gender imbalance were "complex."
Researcher Wang Guangzhou said the skewed birth ratio could lead to difficulties for men with lower incomes in finding spouses, as well as a widening age gap between partners, according to the Global Times.
Another researcher quoted by the newspaper, Wang Yuesheng, said men in poorer parts of China would be forced to accept marriages late in life or remain single for life, which could "cause a break in family lines."
"The chance of getting married will be rare if a man is more than 40 years old in the countryside. They will be more dependent on social security as they age and have fewer household resources to rely on," Wang said.
The study said the key contributing factors to the phenomenon included the nation's family-planning policy, which restricts the number of children citizens may have, as well as an insufficient social security system.
The situation influenced people to seek male offspring, who are preferred for their greater earning potential as adults and thus their ability to care for their elderly parents.
The Global Times said abductions and trafficking of women were "rampant" in areas with excess numbers of men, citing the National Population and Family Planning Commission.
Illegal marriages and forced prostitution were also problems in those areas, it said.
Authorities put the normal male-female ratio at between 103-107 males for every 100 females. But in 2005, the last year for which data were made available, there were 119 boys for every 100 girls, the newspaper said.
However, the study said that in some areas the male-female ratio was as high as 130 males for every 100 females, a report by the Mirror Evening newspaper said.
The report said the study urged the government to relax the so-called "one-child" policy and study the possibility of encouraging "cross-country marriages."
China first implemented its population control policy in 1979, generally limiting families to one child, with some exceptions for rural farmers, ethnic minorities and other groups.
It has said the policy has averted 400 million births.
Researchers said the gender imbalance problem cropped up in the late 1980s when the use of ultrasound technology became more prevalent.
This allowed women to easily determine the sex of their foetuses, leading to an increased number of sex-selective abortions.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. It will take care of the overpopulation problem and it will help open up China because some men will have to marry foreign devils. It's actually a win win situation for the Chinese.
Meiguoguizi
01-14-10, 19:19
gentlemen, I'm curious about nominations for the best bar in china for the foreign man interested in meeting professional working girls. Please provide your reasons. I'll start with my favorite....
Alice Bar in Dalian... great Filipino band. mix of locals and 'lao wai'. All night service for 800. outstandingly friendly staff includes english speaking bartenders.
your nominations?
OldAsiaHand
01-16-10, 05:11
gentlemen, I'm curious about nominations for the best bar in china for the foreign man interested in meeting professional working girls. Please provide your reasons. I'll start with my favorite....
Alice Bar in Dalian... great Filipino band. mix of locals and 'lao wai'. All night service for 800. outstandingly friendly staff includes english speaking bartenders.
your nominations?
Meiguoguizi,
Although it has certainly changed over the years (location, decoration) and possibly gone downhill a bit lately, Maggies is still my favorite bar in China. The primary reason is the access to the Mongolian girls which is unique and are not available in such numbers in the rest of China. I also like the music and the atmosphere but I must say I liked the set-up in the old location better.
Just my POV.
OAH
Meiguoguizi,
Although it has certainly changed over the years (location, decoration) and possibly gone downhill a bit lately, Maggies is still my favorite bar in China. The primary reason is the access to the Mongolian girls which is unique and are not available in such numbers in the rest of China. I also like the music and the atmosphere but I must say I liked the set-up in the old location better.
Just my POV.
OAH
Definitely Maggie's. This is also what comes back from many foreign guests and clients who travel through China with me, and who, after the first visit, now arrange for extra Beijing days because of Maggie's.
The "Maggie's behind the Workers Stadium was better" comment just does brand one as an Old Asia Hand ....
"You know you have been in China too long if you think the old Maggie's was better than the the new Maggie's."
The big plus of Maggie's, apart from the Mongolians, is that it does not have a Filipino band, and that a normal conversation is possible.
Most heard comment when I took guests to (the old) Manhattan in Shanghai: "It ain't no Maggie's."
BEIJING (AFP)
The study, by the government-backed Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, named the gender imbalance among newborns as the most serious demographic problem for the country's population of 1.3 billion, the Global Times said.
"Sex-specific abortions remained extremely commonplace, especially in rural areas," where the cultural preference for boys over girls is strongest, the study said, while noting the reasons for the gender imbalance were "complex."
Researcher Wang Guangzhou said the skewed birth ratio could lead to difficulties for men with lower incomes in finding spouses, as well as a widening age gap between partners, according to the Global Times.
The topic indeed has been discussed ad nauseam and doesn't warrant further reflection. Instead, I would like to point your attention to the source of this article: Global Times. Global Times is the English speaking and lavishly funded sister publication of Peoples' Daily, the party newspaper. Global Times is often used to run formerly controversial topics up the flagpole, in order to gauge reaction. Such seems to be the case here. A controversial government study, published in Global Times: Indication of change.
The Tanuki
01-16-10, 13:18
The big plus of Maggie's, apart from the Mongolians, is that it does not have a Filipino band, and that a normal conversation is possible.
FWIW, once I've picked out a Sister for the night, I do like the Swing Bar over in Sanlitun. The Filipino band there is (was? haven't been for awhile) fun and it's not really that loud. Plus there is more food selection in the area if you get the late night munchies. Overall, a friendly environment for expats to get really drunk. Works for me! :eek:
Tankuki
Ok, I'm keeping a tally of the votes for the best "sports" bar in China. Results so far:
Venue Votes
Maggie's, Beijing 2
Swing, Beijing 1
Alice, Dalian 1
Simon 2007
01-17-10, 17:25
Ok, so here is my travelogue / FKK Palace review for the weekend of January 15, 2010.
Its been about ten years since I have been to an FKK type club, and I saw an American Airlines special for roundtrip airfare between Dallas and Frankfurt (nonstop!) for about $500. Thats about 11, 000 airmails, and I couldn't resist that price. The downside was that I would be leaving Friday afternoon and coming back Monday morning.
In order to maximize my time, I wanted to sleep on the plane and be refreshed for the 7:00am arrival. A friend gave me some Ambien, and since I have never taken anything more powerful then a Tylenol PM as a sleep aid, I was nervous. Well, I swallowed a pill as soon as the plane left the ground and the next thing I remember we are over Ireland. But I'm still sleepy, so besides losing 7hrs of my life that I won't get back, the Ambien didn't work. The cab to the Hilton was 30 Euro, and since my room was ready that early, I took a nap until 11:00am.
The subway entrance is right by the Hilton, so I decided to take that to The Palace instead of a taxi. I never have taken the Frankfurt subway system, and I don't speak German whatsoever, but I noticed on the map that there is a station called Industriehof on Konigsberger, which is the same street as The Palace. I purchased a subway ticket for 1. 5 Euro, and I'm glad I did, because I was asked for my ticket on the train, and its apparently a 40 Euro fine if you don't have one.
Exiting the Industriehof station, I saw an address on a building that said "1 Konigsberger", so I walked past it until I saw the signs for the Palace, which is at 13 Konigsberger. I walked in, paid the entrance fee, and the attendant asked if I had been there before. I thought I was familiar with The Palace because I have faithfully read every review on this forum, so I lied and said yes. She gave me keys to my locker and I then proceeded into the girls locker room, thereby letting everyone know I didn't know my ass from my face.
After being shown the correct locker room, I showered, put on a towel, and to the bar in the main area. There were maybe 15 guys there, and most of them were wearing robes, not towels. The 15 or so girls that I saw were wearing very little to just a see through scarf around their waist. I started talking to the bartender, Miriam, who was quite friendly. About every 10 minutes, someone would come up to me, ask my name, and proposition me. Well, that doesn't do it for me. They have to work harder and at least *try* to be friendly. I asked Miriam if there were any nice girls there and she kind of pointed to Xandria, a german 5'4 blonde with see cups, and about 29yrs old. Xandria was indeed friendly, and we sat at the bar for talking for about an hour before moving to the Kino, where we petted, hugged, kissed, and talked for another 30 minutes. Next, we went to a room and she gave me a slow and gentle BBBJ. I think she wanted me to CIM, but I asked for a condom and we did cowgirl and missionary before I finished. Time: 40 minutes in the room, total time spent with me: 2hr 10 min. Cost: 100 Euro. Score: A+
I got to meet the famous Nicolleta, and she seemed to be in high demand. I found a guy that had just been with her and he could stop singing her praises. She came over to me and was also friendly, not trying to sell herself. I didn't go with her because I like blonde, voluptuous women with nice sized breasts. Nicoletta was blonde but was too skinny for me and had A cups.
I spied a taller blonde with nice breasts sitting alone, and walked up to her. She was spanish and her name started with the letter "M". I told her I only had 50 Euro left and asked if she was interested. She agreed and we went straight to a room. She gave me a BBBJ, reverse cowgirl, cowgirl, and missionary. I couldn't finish, and I think it was due to the jet lag. So I paid her and left. Time: 20 minutes, Cost: 50 Euro, Score: be (I get an F).
Going back via subway was harder, and not only did I take the wrong train, I rode it to the end of the line, where I found myself the only rider and we were stopped somewhere in a dark tunnel with no platform. After 15 minutes a worker was walking outside and saw me. He came in and said to wait another 15 minutes, and that the train would be starting its run again.
I finally got back to the Hilton, had dinner, and went to the Executive Lounge on the 11th floor. Since I'm a Hilton Diamond member, I have access to the lounges, where they have free food, drinks, and alcohol all day and evening. TIP: no one ever asked me my room number or proof that I could be there. It seemed that anyone could go up there and get free booze anytime they wanted.
It was now about 8:00pm, and I wanted some coffee before going back to my room and going to bed, so I went the the "coffee" machine and pressed the button. Not a lot came out, so I pressed it a total of 3 times to fill my cup. It seemed kind of strong, so I added sugar and drank it anyway. Well, it wasn't coffee. Every push of the button made a 2x expresso shot!
GOOD GOD! The caffeine hit me and trying to sleep after that is like trying to relax after smoking crack! I lied in bed from 8:30pm to 6:00am, unable to sleep. It was terrible.
Its now Sunday afternoon as I write this, and am debating whether to go back to The Palace. Almost everything is closed, and earlier I took a walk around the main train station where the RLD is. Some young girl with pretty eyes and open sores all over her face asked me if I wanted a blow job. I politely declined. The Palace is so much nicer than the RLD and the street action.
If I go back tonight, I'll post again. This time it will be more or a report and less of a travelogue.
Ok, I'm keeping a tally of the votes for the best "sports" bar in China. Results so far:
Venue Votes
Maggie's, Beijing 2
Swing, Beijing 1
Alice, Dalian 1
If you are only "allowing" mainland I would go with Manhattan in Shanghai, just for quantity. If HK is part of it then "Fenwick" (past) and it's new name (same bar, different owner, different name). I will admit that if I only had one night to spend I would go to Maggie's, only because I would not want to miss a lone chance to once again spend some time in the company of a " Northern Sister". How was that for a definite answer!
SE Asia Joe
01-21-10, 12:05
or my computer/ISP/line......??
Or have you guys also experienced a bit of delay in pulling up ISG pages these days?
Also notice that we now got an extra banner (?) ad. on top - wonder if this is what is slowing it down.
Just wondering
SEAJ
Maggie's, Beijing 3
Swing, Beijing 1
Alice, Dalian 1
Manhattan, Shanghai, 1
If you are only "allowing" mainland I would go with Manhattan in Shanghai, just for quantity. If HK is part of it then "Fenwick" (past) and it's new name (same bar, different owner, different name). I will admit that if I only had one night to spend I would go to Maggie's, only because I would not want to miss a lone chance to once again spend some time in the company of a " Northern Sister". How was that for a definite answer!
I have added Manhattan, and counted the extra vote for Maggie's. "Fenwick, same bar, different owner, different name" has been disqualified due to vagueness. And we don't want a debate whether HK is part of China or not.
Ok, we are looking for "Mainland China" Bars
or my computer/ISP/line......??
Or have you guys also experience. a bit of delay in pulling up ISG pages these days?
Also notice that we now got an extra banner (?) add on top - wonder if this is what is slowing it down.
Just wondering
SEAJ
It's only you, or rather your VPN provider. ISG comes up here as quickly and crisply as before. The one extra banner won't affect things at all, uinless you have an Internet connection that is powered by gerbils in a wheel.
SE Asia Joe
01-21-10, 12:31
It's only you, or rather your VPN provider. ISG comes up here as quickly and crisply as before. The one extra banner won't affect things at all, uinless you have an Internet connection that is powered by gerbils in a wheel.
No, I'm posting from Hong Kong without any VPN etc.
Oh well... much I know about computers!!
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
01-21-10, 17:34
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]or my computer/ISP/line?
Or have you guys also experienced a bit of delay in pulling up ISG pages these days?
To SEAJ
The extra banner is not a big issue unless you have a old computer with slow graphic chip, yes if you use a vpn to access to ISG in China it will be slow, I have not notice a different accessing ISG in the US.
Fast Eddie 48
Ok, so here is my travelogue / FKK Palace review for the weekend of January 15, 2010.
American Airlines special for roundtrip airfare between Dallas and Frankfurt (
Every push of the button made a 2x expresso shot!
GOOD GOD! The caffeine hit me and trying to sleep after that , unable to sleep. It was terrible.
Its now Sunday afternoon as I write this,
Tip never try overnighters to save time you just stuff up. You get stuck on trains in tunnels and post on the wrong form. Meanwhile the LE is trying to translate Frankfurt haha.
I have been able to access this ISG forum from inside China this past week without using a proxy. And it comes up quickly.
Are the rest of you also able to? Is this old news? What happened? Did I miss something?
I have been able to access this ISG forum from inside China this past week without using a proxy. And it comes up quickly.
Are the rest of you also able to? Is this old news? What happened? Did I miss something?
In a few hotels ISG is NOT blocked.
But in the majority of the hotels and internet cafes, ISG is block. Which hotel are you staying in ?
Huum, you didn't tell me you were going back when I talked with you last month.
Forbidden Kid
01-26-10, 10:57
If I go back tonight, I'll post again. This time it will be more or a report and less of a travelogue.Why are you posting this here in the China thread? This should belong in Germany right?
FK
An old monger friend of mine living in China, gave me this tip.
He said that the most common way we get caught "sporting" by our significant others at home is when we bring home the crotch crustateons. They take awhile to show up, aren't stopped by condoms, and love a bushy girl.
Anyway, before leaving on my trip, I take a little travel size bottle of shampoo, empty it out, and fill it with the "special" shampoo from the drug store. On the last day of my trip, I make sure that I don't smuggle any new friends home by using this as a preventative.
Probably a common practice but I've never seen this mentioned on here so there you go.
Question. I don't know if this is true or not. I might be going to China in March. Some friends there say this is not a good time. There is some kind of Olympics going on there. When this happens, the government cracks down on the brothels and they close until it's over (like the Beijing Olympics).
Is this true?
Question. I don't know if this is true or not. I might be going to China in March. Some friends there say this is not a good time. There is some kind of Olympics going on there. When this happens, the government cracks down on the brothels and they close until it's over (like the Beijing Olympics).
Is this true?
The Olympics were 2008 in Beijing and the next ones will be 2012 in London. What happens this year (May 1 to Oct 31, 2010) in the Expo in Shanghai. The clean-up in Shanghai and other areas down South has already begun and will increase. Should the Shanghai area be on your itinerary, then you will definitely be affected, The North had its clean-up (Olympics 2008 and 60th anniversary of China in 2009) and is slowly coming back to normal.
One Wing Low
01-27-10, 21:20
Crab lice, or any lice, will spread out and infect the whole household. They cause major itches in the crotch and armpit areas, sometimes even infecting the eyebrows, very annoying and embarassing. Yes, they can destroy your personal relationships.
Best treated with Lindane, a prescription ointment in US. Spread on crotch and armpits. Leave on for 48 hours without washing to kill the lice. Repeat in 1 week to kill off any left-over eggs that hatched after the first application.
An old monger friend of mine living in China, gave me this tip.
He said that the most common way we get caught "sporting" by our significant others at home is when we bring home the crotch crustateons. They take awhile to show up, aren't stopped by condoms, and love a bushy girl.
Anyway, before leaving on my trip, I take a little travel size bottle of shampoo, empty it out, and fill it with the "special" shampoo from the drug store. On the last day of my trip, I make sure that I don't smuggle any new friends home by using this as a preventative.
Probably a common practice but I've never seen this mentioned on here so there you go.
Chocha Monger
01-27-10, 23:52
An old monger friend of mine living in China, gave me this tip.
He said that the most common way we get caught "sporting" by our significant others at home is when we bring home the crotch crustateons. They take awhile to show up, aren't stopped by condoms, and love a bushy girl.
Anyway, before leaving on my trip, I take a little travel size bottle of shampoo, empty it out, and fill it with the "special" shampoo from the drug store. On the last day of my trip, I make sure that I don't smuggle any new friends home by using this as a preventative.
Probably a common practice but I've never seen this mentioned on here so there you go.
Preventative use of medication only makes crabs stronger, faster, and smarter. Thanks to a lot of guys getting the same idea drug resistant crotch critters are making their debut in Asia. The only thing you guarantee by dousing your pubes with chemicals is that when you do eventually get infested, it will be by a race of super crabs capable of surviving every chemical weapon in the pharmaceutical arsenal.
http://www.lindane.com/scabiesandlice/resistance/
Preventative use of medication only makes crabs stronger, faster, and smarter. Thanks to a lot of guys getting the same idea drug resistant crotch critters are making their debut in Asia. The only thing you guarantee by dousing your pubes with chemicals is that when you do eventually get infested, it will be by a race of super crabs capable of surviving every chemical weapon in the pharmaceutical arsenal.
http://www.lindane.com/scabiesandlice/resistance/Might I mention that the "ultimate" gift for a B-girl is an iPhone, as I've empirically determined. Bhutanese men do the same for their (gik-equivalent) GFs, mistresses etc. But oddly enuff, the data/web functions of an iPhone don't work in Bhutan! Only voice calls work.
The fone has to be "cracked". Easily done in BKK etc. And adapted to the GSM network run by B-Mobile the country's only fone co. The best time to gift an iPhone is when you're tired of yr iPhone and want2 upgrade to a newer iPhone w/ more memory. Give the old one to a B-girl and reap the rewards.
Might I mention that the "ultimate" gift for a B-girl is an iPhone, as I've empirically determined. Bhutanese men do the same for their (gik-equivalent) GFs, mistresses etc. But oddly enuff, the data/web functions of an iPhone don't work in Bhutan! Only voice calls work.
The fone has to be "cracked". Easily done in BKK etc. And adapted to the GSM network run by B-Mobile the country's only fone co. The best time to gift an iPhone is when you're tired of yr iPhone and want2 upgrade to a newer iPhone w/ more memory. Give the old one to a B-girl and reap the rewards.
Thanks for the info I'm spending too much money on new apartments :-)
Might I mention that the "ultimate" gift for a B-girl is an iPhone, as I've empirically determined. Bhutanese men do the same for their (gik-equivalent) GFs, mistresses etc. But oddly enuff, the data/web functions of an iPhone don't work in Bhutan! Only voice calls work.
The fone has to be "cracked". Easily done in BKK etc. And adapted to the GSM network run by B-Mobile the country's only fone co. The best time to gift an iPhone is when you're tired of yr iPhone and want2 upgrade to a newer iPhone w/ more memory. Give the old one to a B-girl and reap the rewards.Something's wrong at ISG. I wrote about only using the crabby meds right before I left and that once home there would be nowhere for the super crabs to go even if they did survive. And for you every week players I suggest NOT using this stuff so often. I have no idea about the above post.
I'm looking for some advice.
I have had no success including Chinese characters in my ISG posts. The characters look fine when I enter them, but when the post appears later on the screen, the characters have turned into question marks.
But I notice that lots of you are posting with characters that show up perfectly well. Has anyone got any tips on how to make this work?
I use the standard character sets and entry input that comes with Windows. It seems to work in other situations (eg, emails), but won't work on ISG. I tried varying the "half shape" and "full shape" options (not full form/simplified, but the option that makes a character equivalent to one or two English letters). I use Windows OS with Firefox browser.
Any advice would be welcomed.
SE Asia Joe
02-11-10, 18:12
Gents - I was chit chatting with one of my regulars who sought me for advise on 2 things which I don't think I answered precisely/want your input.
First is the use of hormones -this particular 19 Y.O. gal is close to 6 ft tall but with practically NO boobs at all. On top of that, her voice IS rather deep, although still definitely female sounding. She is NOT particularly hirsute and have no other "Male" characterisitics. Some of her friends have recommended that she go to a doctor to request for female hormonal treatment (to increase the size of her boobs). NOw in China, we all know that the doctors will do just about anything that is requested to make $$.
The question I have is - will such a hormonal treatment be effective for a 19 Y.O. gal? Useful? Dangerous or not?
Second question is about Candida - as she told me that she's starting to have "Bei Tai" or excessive white discharge - and which I THINK is candida.
What is the English AND Chinese name of the suppositories to treat candida and is there other medicines she can take alongside/instead of to cure herself?
And BTW - I do know that a recommendation to just go to a doctor would probably be valid - but she and I both want to double check first before actually having her go to a Chinese Doctor as we're worried about their tendency to do things just to make $$.
Any advise would be appreciated - and apologize if this question really is not very appropriate in this thread - but I don't know where else to post this up as the questions is to a certain extent , China specific.
Thanks
SEAJ
SEAJ
I will suggest for her to undergo hormonal treatment with Estrogen.
It is quite a common knowledge nowadays that Estrogen is used for female figure development for trans patients. Estrogen allows development of female secondary characteristics (in normal lingo, breasts and bums).
Pumping flat 16 years old man full of estrogen for one year may yield supermofel figure. LOL. Suggesting regulated use with doctor's recommendation. Excessive estrogen level can lead to several side effects that can be SERIOUS. For further details, find doctors.
Good luck.
Bob Builder
02-12-10, 03:30
Gents - I was chit chatting with one of my regulars who sought me for advise on 2 things which I don't think I answered precisely/want your input.
First is the use of hormones -this particular 19 Y.O. gal is close to 6 ft tall but with practically NO boobs at all. On top of that, her voice IS rather deep, although still definitely female sounding. She is NOT particularly hirsute and have no other "Male" characterisitics. Some of her friends have recommended that she go to a doctor to request for female hormonal treatment (to increase the size of her boobs). NOw in China, we all know that the doctors will do just about anything that is requested to make $$.
The question I have is - will such a hormonal treatment be effective for a 19 Y.O. gal? Useful? Dangerous or not?
Second question is about Candida - as she told me that she's starting to have "Bei Tai" or excessive white discharge - and which I THINK is candida.
What is the English AND Chinese name of the suppositories to treat candida and is there other medicines she can take alongside/instead of to cure herself?
And BTW - I do know that a recommendation to just go to a doctor would probably be valid - but she and I both want to double check first before actually having her go to a Chinese Doctor as we're worried about their tendency to do things just to make $$.
Any advise would be appreciated - and apologize if this question really is not very appropriate in this thread - but I don't know where else to post this up as the questions is to a certain extent , China specific.
Thanks
SEAJ
Joe,
At best she only has thrush but she may have Chlamydia, which are both bacterial infections and easily treated by buying drugs for less that RMB50 at a drug store. Can't remember the name of the drugs but you can do a web search.
And I don't have to remind you what you have to do or you will have a very itchy prick.
BB
Loveasiangirls
02-14-10, 14:17
I'm looking for some advice.
I have had no success including Chinese characters in my ISG posts. The characters look fine when I enter them, but when the post appears later on the screen, the characters have turned into question marks.
But I notice that lots of you are posting with characters that show up perfectly well. Has anyone got any tips on how to make this work?
I use the standard character sets and entry input that comes with Windows. It seems to work in other situations (eg, emails), but won't work on ISG. I tried varying the "half shape" and "full shape" options (not full form/simplified, but the option that makes a character equivalent to one or two English letters). I use Windows OS with Firefox browser.
Any advice would be welcomed.
Try this. In Firefox go to "view" and in the menu chose "character encoding" Try various combination until it works.
Otherwise in your control panel of Windows. go to keyboard and make sure you have added simplified chinese.
One Eyed Man
02-15-10, 03:40
Try this. In Firefox go to "view" and in the menu chose "character encoding" Try various combination until it works.
Otherwise in your control panel of Windows. go to keyboard and make sure you have added simplified chinese.
I was having the same problem on a dating site, and I didn't know how to solve it. Duh! BTW, basically the same instructions work on Firefox for Macs.
Try this. In Firefox go to "view" and in the menu chose "character encoding" Try various combination until it works.
Otherwise in your control panel of Windows. go to keyboard and make sure you have added simplified chinese.Thanks, I'll try these pointers, though I'm not sure if they'll work. For example, I can see the characters others have entered in their posts (so the encoding should be OK), and can enter characters myself in the "submit report" window (so the simplified Chinese keyboard appears to be OK) - it looks fine when I send, but when it turns up sometime later as a post, the characters have turned into question marks.
I use both simplified and full-form characters in other settings (eg, chatting on yahoo messenger) with no problem, it's only on ISG that something goes wrong.
I've just double-checked my keyboard settings; they seem fine. I'll try again adding a few characters below as a test, and will try to vary the encoding later once this turns up as a post:
中国北京朝阳区
Thanks for the suggestions.
Used the font from url mdbg.net under Window XP without going thru the Microsoft East Asia Language Package. It works fine except for Korean and Japanese which is not supported by mdbg.net. Follow the direction as posted on the site to install the font.
虎年
translation: www.mdbg.net
虎年 hu3nián Year of the Tiger (e.g. 2010)
I'm looking for some advice.
I have had no success including Chinese characters in my ISG posts. The characters look fine when I enter them, but when the post appears later on the screen, the characters have turned into question marks.
But I notice that lots of you are posting with characters that show up perfectly well. Has anyone got any tips on how to make this work?
I use the standard character sets and entry input that comes with Windows. It seems to work in other situations (eg, emails), but won't work on ISG. I tried varying the "half shape" and "full shape" options (not full form/simplified, but the option that makes a character equivalent to one or two English letters). I use Windows OS with Firefox browser.
Any advice would be welcomed.
Loveasiangirls
02-16-10, 04:21
Thanks, I'll try these pointers, though I'm not sure if they'll work. For example, I can see the characters others have entered in their posts (so the encoding should be OK), and can enter characters myself in the "submit report" window (so the simplified Chinese keyboard appears to be OK) - it looks fine when I send, but when it turns up sometime later as a post, the characters have turned into question marks.
I use both simplified and full-form characters in other settings (eg, chatting on yahoo messenger) with no problem, it's only on ISG that something goes wrong.
I've just double-checked my keyboard settings; they seem fine. I'll try again adding a few characters below as a test, and will try to vary the encoding later once this turns up as a post:
中国北京朝阳区
Thanks for the suggestions.
Looks fine now. My pleasure.
Da Dicknotist
03-03-10, 11:15
So I've long heard rumors about prostitution on QQ, and I've spent the last couple of hours surfing through various forums but haven't had any luck. If any of our brothers would instruct me, that'd be awesome. Chinese reading/writing is not a problem. Thanks.
Dicknotist
So I've long heard rumors about prostitution on QQ, and I've spent the last couple of hours surfing through various forums but haven't had any luck. If any of our brothers would instruct me, that'd be awesome. Chinese reading/writing is not a problem. Thanks.
DicknotistThing of the past as far as I am aware. I think it was taken down as part of the crackdown on online pornography / lewd content.
Clandestine782
03-06-10, 17:19
link: http://www.economist.com/printerfriendly.cfm?story_id=15606229
i thought it worth posting in its entirety. i wonder what will happen to our favorite hobby in later years.....? (for reference, it was on the cover of the economist.)
the war on baby girls
gendercide
mar 4th 2010
from the economist print edition
killed, aborted or neglected, at least 100m girls have disappeared—and the number is rising
imagine you are one half of a young couple expecting your first child in a fast-growing, poor country. you are part of the new middle class; your income is rising; you want a small family. but traditional mores hold sway around you, most important in the preference for sons over daughters. perhaps hard physical labour is still needed for the family to make its living. perhaps only sons may inherit land. perhaps a daughter is deemed to join another family on marriage and you want someone to care for you when you are old. perhaps she needs a dowry.
now imagine that you have had an ultrasound scan; it costs $12, but you can afford that. the scan says the unborn child is a girl. you yourself would prefer a boy; the rest of your family clamours for one. you would never dream of killing a baby daughter, as they do out in the villages. but an abortion seems different. what do you do?
for millions of couples, the answer is: abort the daughter, try for a son. in china and northern india more than 120 boys are being born for every 100 girls. nature dictates that slightly more males are born than females to offset boys’ greater susceptibility to infant disease. but nothing on this scale.
for those who oppose abortion, this is mass murder. for those such as this newspaper, who think abortion should be “safe, legal and rare” (to use bill clinton’s phrase), a lot depends on the circumstances, but the cumulative consequence for societies of such individual actions is catastrophic. china alone stands to have as many unmarried young men—“bare branches”, as they are known—as the entire population of young men in america. in any country rootless young males spell trouble; in asian societies, where marriage and children are the recognised routes into society, single men are almost like outlaws. crime rates, bride trafficking, sexual violence, even female suicide rates are all rising and will rise further as the lopsided generations reach their maturity (see article).
it is no exaggeration to call this gendercide. women are missing in their millions—aborted, killed, neglected to death. in 1990 an indian economist, amartya sen, put the number at 100m; the toll is higher now. the crumb of comfort is that countries can mitigate the hurt, and that one, south korea, has shown the worst can be avoided. others need to learn from it if they are to stop the carnage.
the dearth and death of little sisters
most people know china and northern india have unnaturally large numbers of boys. but few appreciate how bad the problem is, or that it is rising. in china the imbalance between the sexes was 108 boys to 100 girls for the generation born in the late 1980s; for the generation of the early 2000s, it was 124 to 100. in some chinese provinces the ratio is an unprecedented 130 to 100. the destruction is worst in china but has spread far beyond. other east asian countries, including taiwan and singapore, former communist states in the western balkans and the caucasus, and even sections of america’s population (chinese- and japanese-americans, for example): all these have distorted sex ratios. gendercide exists on almost every continent. it affects rich and poor; educated and illiterate; hindu, muslim, confucian and christian alike.
wealth does not stop it. taiwan and singapore have open, rich economies. within china and india the areas with the worst sex ratios are the richest, best-educated ones. and china’s one-child policy can only be part of the problem, given that so many other countries are affected.
in fact the destruction of baby girls is a product of three forces: the ancient preference for sons; a modern desire for smaller families; and ultrasound scanning and other technologies that identify the sex of a fetus. in societies where four or six children were common, a boy would almost certainly come along eventually; son preference did not need to exist at the expense of daughters. but now couples want two children—or, as in china, are allowed only one—they will sacrifice unborn daughters to their pursuit of a son. that is why sex ratios are most distorted in the modern, open parts of china and india. it is also why ratios are more skewed after the first child: parents may accept a daughter first time round but will do anything to ensure their next—and probably last—child is a boy. the boy-girl ratio is above 200 for a third child in some places.
how to stop half the sky crashing down
baby girls are thus victims of a malign combination of ancient prejudice and modern preferences for small families. only one country has managed to change this pattern. in the 1990s south korea had a sex ratio almost as skewed as china’s. now, it is heading towards normality. it has achieved this not deliberately, but because the culture changed. female education, anti-discrimination suits and equal-rights rulings made son preference seem old-fashioned and unnecessary. the forces of modernity first exacerbated prejudice—then overwhelmed it.
but this happened when south korea was rich. if china or india—with incomes one-quarter and one-tenth korea’s levels—wait until they are as wealthy, many generations will pass. to speed up change, they need to take actions that are in their own interests anyway. most obviously china should scrap the one-child policy. the country’s leaders will resist this because they fear population growth; they also dismiss western concerns about human rights. but the one-child limit is no longer needed to reduce fertility (if it ever was: other east asian countries reduced the pressure on the population as much as china). and it massively distorts the country’s sex ratio, with devastating results. president hu jintao says that creating “a harmonious society” is his guiding principle; it cannot be achieved while a policy so profoundly perverts family life.
and all countries need to raise the value of girls. they should encourage female education; abolish laws and customs that prevent daughters inheriting property; make examples of hospitals and clinics with impossible sex ratios; get women engaged in public life—using everything from television newsreaders to women traffic police. mao zedong said “women hold up half the sky.” the world needs to do more to prevent a gendercide that will have the sky crashing down.
Link: The world needs to do more to prevent a gendercide that will have the sky crashing down.
I get on the plane to the states and look at the women 80% need shooting we should close all the Pizza shops and put crap on the TV, and shops should be banned from selling dress sizes over 12, like they do here, as this is causing this genocide. There is a real shortage of shag-able women in the states. The effect of this can be seen in the number of gay men and the rise in Aids.With the murder rate the place will be empty in 10 years said a leading scientist out to make a quid.
i get on the plane to the states and look at the women 80% need shooting we should close all the pizza shops and put crap on the tv, and shops should be banned from selling dress sizes over 12, like they do here, as this is causing this genocide. there is a real shortage of shag-able women in the states. the effect of this can be seen in the number of gay men and the rise in aids.with the murder rate the place will be empty in 10 years said a leading scientist out to make a quid.
exactly. and i am amazed by the recurring fascination with missing females. from my admittedly limited vantage point, there is no shortage of women in china. and unless someone wants to bugger children, a sex imbalance now that would decrease the number of legally available females 18 years on out should be of little concern. there also doesn't seem to be a shortage of female newsreaders or meter maids.
i can't speak for other countries, but i have done extensive demographics work on china, and there is no cause for alarm. as confirmed by daniel m. goodkind of the u.s. census bureau (http://www.jstor.org/pss/4148211?cookieset=1) there has been rampant under-reporting of children in the last (2000) census. in certain age groups, 25 percent of children that are alive are missing from the books. numbers reported from the provinces have been massaged to fit central government requirements. parents don't report daughters, they wait with the hukou until they have a son.
again, the purpose of isg "is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women." the discussion of sex with **** girls is discouraged. so lets revisit this topic in 20 years or so, and let's give it a rest.
Having no China fire wall should make thing easy to keep in touch with.
Interesting this subjected is currently heated up in Chinese gov statements and Google is very quiet since January 2010. Some claim Google has made changes in the search engine and plans to withdraw from China soon.
Does the giant Google have to live with the fire wall ?
"Do no harm?"
Great Wall Versus No CN Fire Wall
Score: March 17 2010
Great Wall 1 Google 0
Hi Folks,
I have to visit china next week. Please could someone advise if a UK passport holders require a visa/permit to entry the country.
Many thanks in advance.
Absabs
Hi Folks,
I have to visit china next week. Please could someone advise if a UK passport holders require a visa/permit to entry the country.
Many thanks in advance.
AbsabsYes if you are coming to the mainland (used to be able to go to HK without a visa, but not sure if that is still the case) - you can process the application at the Chinese Embassy in London in a couple of days (costs extra) for a tourist visa; business visa will take longer and given the time you state you are going to be coming, you probably would not have time for this.
Fast Eddie 48
03-18-10, 22:41
Hi Folks,
I have to visit china next week. Please could someone advise if a UK passport holders require a visa/permit to entry the country.
Many thanks in advance.
AbsabsAbsabs,
Yes you do need visa to mainland China not Hong Kong, cost is 30 BP for one single entries and you should get it from the local China consulate before you leave UK.
Fast Eddie 48
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FrequentTravel
03-18-10, 23:46
@Abs:
Unless you only want to go to Hong Kong, you need a visa for mainland China.
If you plan to visit Hong Kong in between, make sure to get a multiple or at least doubly entry visa.
Regards,
FT
Iandavid2212
03-19-10, 03:56
Hi Folks,
I have to visit china next week. Please could someone advise if a UK passport holders require a visa/permit to entry the country.
Many thanks in advance.
AbsabsAbsolutely YES. You NEED a visa. Ever thought of first looking on the Chinese Embassy website where this info is clearly available!
Hi Folks,
I have to visit china next week. Please could someone advise if a UK passport holders require a visa/permit to entry the country.
Many thanks in advance.
AbsabsVisa is required. If you are in a time bind you can first travel to Hong Kong (which does not require a Visa) and obtain a Chinese Visa there within 24 hours.
Sammy
Hi Folks,
I have to visit china next week. Please could someone advise if a UK passport holders require a visa/permit to entry the country.
Many thanks in advance.
Absabs
As Sammy said: Visa required. Go to the next Chinese embassy/consulate in the morning, ticket in hand. You'll have the visa in the afternoon on a rush basis, next day the latest. They will not let you on the plane without a valid visa.
As of this morning Google mail, not Google.cn, is only available with VPN. Without VPN Google goes to Chinese site. Damn.
Loveasiangirls
03-23-10, 18:26
As of this morning Google mail, not Google.cn, is only available with VPN. Without VPN Google goes to Chinese site. Damn.
Not it's not. Google mail works fine without VPN.
Australasian
03-25-10, 05:53
I've only stumbled on this website the other day, but from reading it so far a lot of the information is totally great!
Admins are doing a great job and also all you senior members out there providing great information! I'm really tempted to sign up so that I am able to receive PM's and send PM's prior and or while I'm at my holiday next week to Beijing from 31st March - 7th April!
Keep up the good work!
Multi Entry For 24 Month US Citizen only - $130/
Has anyone seen the box on the current Visa Application form?
The Multi-entry 12 month is shown on the form I have.
Absabs,
Yes you do need visa to mainland China not Hong Kong, cost is 30 BP for one single entries and you should get it from the local China consulate before you leave UK.
Fast Eddie 48
About Chinese Visa
What's a Chinese Visa? China's Visa Authorities Sample of a Chinese Visa Types of a Chinese Visa Period of Validity, Number of Visa Instruction
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Terms&Conditions Procedures Making an Appointment Apply by Post
Terms&Conditions Procedures Track Your Application by Post Form
Terms&Conditions Instructions E Form
Homepage Visa Instrction Schedule of Fees
Schedule of Fees (Unit: British Pound)
Fee category Amount
UK
Citizen US
Citizen Third
Country
Citizen
Visa
Fees Single entry 30 65 20
Double entries 45 65 30
Multiple entries / 6Months 90 65 40
Multiple entries / 1 year 150 65 60
Extra visa fee
(3rd working day collection) 15
(if you apply for Express service)
Application
Service
Fees Regular Service
(4th working day collection) 35. 25 (VAT inclusive)
Express Service
(3rd working day collection) 47. 00 (VAT inclusive)
Postal Service
(apply by post) 52. 88 (VAT inclusive)
Notes:
1. The total amount of the fees to be paid by an applicant = visa fees + application service fees.
2. Visa Fees are collected on behalf of the Chinese Embassy or the Consulate General; Application Service Fees are charged by the Centre.
3. We do not provide either same day service or next day service. 4 working days regular service and 3 working days express service are available for applications submitted directly to the Centre. Postal applications will be processed and returned within 5 to 14 working days assuming the documentation is in good order and no further requirements are necessary.
4. Cash or debit card can be accepted. (For postal applications debit card only)
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Call: 0207 842 0960 Fax: 0207 842 0961 E-mail: ukcentreatvisaforchina.org Registered office 90 Cannon Street, London EC4N 6HA
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Hi All
I was very surprised but it is true I have just got my 2 year Multipule Pops sorry mean Entry visa all for the same price as a 12 month!
SE Asia Joe
04-01-10, 15:49
Know that we've discussed this before, but I got a new angle to add.
I have, as a matter of practice, always checked in to hotels alone whilst I would ask my lady "friends" to just linger somewhere away. The reason being that, in my mind, if she was checking in together, the receptionist will ask for her to also register... and that question if we are married or not, marriage licence etc etc. Old habits!!
Anyway, last night I was checking in a hotel in Meilin, Shenzhen with a friend of mine who's actually a student. The regular gal that she is, she just marched in and got in her two words to get the best rate, membership discount etc etc. (naivette on show!!). Well, of course when it was time to actually check in, the receptionist got my friend to also register with her I.D. card, alongside my passport to copy (and transmit for the usual guest registration with the LE??).
And that's it. No drama, as if it's par for the course, no big deal.
Nuthin happened the whole evening.... even though I was quite wary/uneasy
So..... I guess things HAVE changed a lot these days in China!
Or was I just lucky??
SEAJ
Loveasiangirls
04-02-10, 18:05
Know that we've discussed this before, but I got a new angle to add.
I have, as a matter of practice, always checked in to hotels alone whilst I would ask my lady "friends" to just linger somewhere away. The reason being that, in my mind, if she was checking in together, the receptionist will ask for her to also register... and that question if we are married or not, marriage licence etc etc. Old habits!!
Anyway, last night I was checking in a hotel in Meilin, Shenzhen with a friend of mine who's actually a student. The regular gal that she is, she just marched in and got in her two words to get the best rate, membership discount etc etc. (naivette on show!!). Well, of course when it was time to actually check in, the receptionist got my friend to also register with her I.D. card, alongside my passport to copy (and transmit for the usual guest registration with the LE??).
And that's it. No drama, as if it's par for the course, no big deal.
Nuthin happened the whole evening.... even though I was quite wary/uneasy
So..... I guess things HAVE changed a lot these days in China!
Or was I just lucky??
SEAJ
I think this is standard procedure. I often register my girls (especially if breakfast is included) and it has never been an issue. I am talking for the last 4 years. Before I don't know.
Did you request the 24 month Visa on the form or verbal ?
The form has only 12 month block.
Hi All
I was very surprised but it is true I have just got my 2 year Multipule Pops sorry mean Entry visa all for the same price as a 12 month!
SE Asia Joe
04-03-10, 17:14
I think this is standard procedure. I often register my girls (especially if breakfast is included) and it has never been an issue. I am talking for the last 4 years. Before I don't know.
Still learning..... after all these years!!
Yup - I was plenty worried that since they send all the check-in info to the local LE - that it would all be there for them to see!! A male and a female - unrelated, from different locales and with quite a wide difference in age. something about a sitting duck.... that was what was on my mind the whlle evening. Yowich!!
SEAJ
Did you request the 24 month Visa on the form or verbal ?
The form has only 12 month block.Hi,
Sorry might have caused a little confusion here, the visa was from the UK and it was on the form for a 12 or 24 month at the same price.
I guess the US Should be the same? Might be worth enquiring verbally with the office in case they are using old forms etc
Russ
FernandoAlonso
04-04-10, 07:43
Still learning. After all these years!
Yup. I was plenty worried that since they send all the check-in info to the local LE. That it would all be there for them to see! A male and a female. Unrelated, from different locales and with quite a wide difference in age. Something about a sitting duck. That was what was on my mind the whlle evening. Yowich!
SEAJNormally they do not send it, they record and keep it in the Hotel, during Olympics there was a 5000 fine for the hotel if they did not comply. No reason to worry, better hotels have their own protection and LE normally does not bother too much, they just kick all doors
As far as I know
FA
Just so you know next time you're having a threesome somewhere in China; from the Financial Times:
China orgy case spurs freedom debate
By Jamil Anderlini in Beijing (Financial Times)
Published: April 2 2010 16:19 | Last updated: April 2 2010 16:19
China is in the grip of a debate on sexual freedom as 22 members of a swingers club prepare to go on trial accused of having “group sex”, a crime that carries a maximum prison sentence of five years.
But the organiser of the sex club, an associate university professor of computer science who asked to be identified only by his surname “Ma”, is against abolishing this law.
In an interview with the Financial Times, he said he was pleading for leniency for himself and his co-accused only because they did not know that such a law existed.
The case has sparked fierce debate on the internet and in the media over whether such a law is outdated in an era of sexual liberation in China, where prostitution and extramarital affairs are common.
The law against group sex was enacted in 1997, when China abolished the crimes of “counter-revolution” and “hooliganism”, a vague offence that in the 1980s included not only group sex but also dancing with members of the opposite sex and listening to western pop music, and often carried a heavy prison sentence.
Mr Ma, 53, is accused of organising a sex club that would regularly meet for orgies at his house in the southern city of Nanjing.
He said he was the oldest and best educated in the group, which also included migrant workers, bosses of companies, shop assistants and taxi drivers. They first drew the attention of the authorities when a policewoman involved in group sex talked about her lifestyle on local radio.
She was fired and police in Nanjing launched a campaign against similar cases, using the internet to spy on groups such as Mr Ma’s that organised their meetings through chat rooms.
The group was targeted by police during an orgy at a hotel last August and Mr Ma has been under a form of house arrest ever since.
Li Yinhe, a sexologist and sociology professor, has been leading a campaign to abolish the crime of group sex, which is defined as a consenting sexual act between three or more adults and punished more seriously if it occurs on three or more occasions.
“This law is just medieval and a blatant violation of basic human rights,” Ms Lin told the FT.
But Mr Ma said he saw the error of his ways and that China should keep the law. “I can be educated and change my ways, but those who refuse to fix their behaviour despite repeated admonition should be severely punished,” he said.
He suggested a system of penalty points similar to the driving code, under which people who engage in group sex would receive demerit points with repeat offenders sent to prison. The case goes to trial on April 7.
Mistermatt
04-05-10, 22:29
Hi all,
I'm heading off to Shenzhen at the end of May for a week and from searching around, it looks like a lot of hotels have 'massage' provided by girls in the hotel in your room. My work is paying for this trip so can you usually pay cash so it doesn't show up on the bill for the massage and any extras?
Thanks,
Matt
Normally they do not send it, they record and keep it in the Hotel, during Olympics there was a 5000 fine for the hotel if they did not comply. No reason to worry, better hotels have their own protection and LE normally does not bother too much, they just kick all doors
As far as I know
FAShould I register my "girl guest" if the time is approx 15.00 or 16.00 and it is going to take 1-2 hours?
Should I register my "girl guest" if the time is approx 15.00 or 16.00 and it is going to take 1-2 hours?
No!
No need.
Merely register yourself, and later send an SMS with your room number.
Except of course, if there is a key or card requirement in the lift.
In which case, bring her up yourself, after you have secured all your valuables.
Even in the most un-GF places, there won't be a problem until 10 or 11pm.
Just my experience.
P13
FernandoAlonso
04-07-10, 06:27
Hi all,
I'm heading off to Shenzhen at the end of May for a week and from searching around, it looks like a lot of hotels have 'massage' provided by girls in the hotel in your room. My work is paying for this trip so can you usually pay cash so it doesn't show up on the bill for the massage and any extras?
Thanks,
MattCash, cash, cash will not be refused by anyone anywhere in China, actually the girls will request it. Otherwise, everything that shows up on a hotel bill in China can be altered to say food or whatever you like.
But I would highly recommend to always pay these type of services with cash only for obvious reasons. You will have a problem anyhow using cards here, unless they are of Chinese origin or you are in bigger venues
FA
Just so you know next time you're having a threesome somewhere in China; from the Financial Times,Careful. The good professor ran afoul of the "assembled pruriency" law, which constitutes organizing sexual activities for a group of men and women.
Nobody will arrest you if you have a threesome, but if you organize a group with more than 100 members, one of them a police woman who discredits the force, better watch out.
Even in Japan, which usually has a laid back attitude towards partner bartering, raids of swing clubs are an annual tradition (usually in the December/January time period, and in March, when the fiscal year runs out.) There, you get arrested for violation the "public indecency" law.
In the U.S. it's even trickier, because you must comply with obtuse "community standards." Usually, if you don't get in trouble with the 3Cs (Commercial, Conspicuous, Complaints) you are safe.
Which brings us back to China.
Loveasiangirls
04-08-10, 13:42
Should I register my "girl guest" if the time is approx 15.00 or 16.00 and it is going to take 1-2 hours?You only need to register her if she will stay overnight.
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