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But I now wonder if he added that illegally. Now that I think of it, I could have asked the bellhop / security, etc. At the hotel.He absolutely DID NOT add that illegally. There is an airport fee for him to wait at the airport and also the tolls.
What country are you from where you are so un-trusting of people? LOL. That's sad.
Enjoy Indonesia. The people are among the most honest you will find anywhere in the world.
He absolutely DID NOT add that illegally. There is an airport fee for him to wait at the airport and also the tolls.
What country are you from where you are so un-trusting of people? LOL. That's sad.
Enjoy Indonesia. The people are among the most honest you will find anywhere in the world.There's nothing sad about it. Meter said something and I looked at what official meter said. I paid the guy what he asked and later just asked on a board for clarification.
No need to start with "where are you from" here.
Blanquiceleste
01-08-20, 15:11
The people are among the most honest you will find anywhere in the world.Oh! For sure they are the most honest people you will find anywhere in the world. Which is why every taxi guy who is not a Bluebird or Express will never run a meter. Which is why the cops shook you down for 500 K when they raided a bar you were present in, even if you had no drugs on you. Which is why cops stop taxis randomly in the night and extort whatever they can from you if you are not carrying proper identification. The list is endless.
Very honest folks! For sure.
Oh! For sure they are the most honest people you will find anywhere in the world. Which is why every taxi guy who is not a Bluebird or Express will never run a meter. Which is why the cops shook you down for 500 K when they raided a bar you were present in, even if you had no drugs on you. Which is why cops stop taxis randomly in the night and extort whatever they can from you if you are not carrying proper identification. The list is endless.
Very honest folks! For sure.If they don't want to run the meter I get in another taxi or just pay the fixed fare.
I've had taxi drivers all over the world demand a fixed fare late at night.
Corruption is everywhere in the world.
Many parts of the world walking around a red light area as an outsider with a pocketful of cash will get you robbed or worse.
I'd sign any day of the week for a country where they only try to shake you down for 25 k at a time.
Offshore Swell
01-09-20, 14:57
Oh! For sure they are the most honest people you will find anywhere in the world. Which is why every taxi guy who is not a Bluebird or Express will never run a meter. Which is why the cops shook you down for 500 K when they raided a bar you were present in, even if you had no drugs on you. Which is why cops stop taxis randomly in the night and extort whatever they can from you if you are not carrying proper identification. The list is endless.
Very honest folks! For sure.
He absolutely DID NOT add that illegally. There is an airport fee for him to wait at the airport and also the tolls.
What country are you from where you are so un-trusting of people? LOL. That's sad.
Enjoy Indonesia. The people are among the most honest you will find anywhere in the world.Ha ha, except if the taxi driver is from Medan. Dead wives, sick babies, plagues and rats. OS always seems to get it from the Batak drivers.
OS had a rather close shave where he diverted his taxi that lady OS had so kindly booked for him to the airport and his official departure from Indonesia, to hotel grand mercure for a night of debauchery. Unfortunately lady OS afterwards rang the driver looking for OS's missing phone and the Batak driver spilled the beans. OS got wind that the posse was coming, profusely denied his whereabouts and made a mad dash for the airport on a hastily bought ticket to Bali and on. Passing out through immigration with 20 minutes to spare before midnight. Talk about a Cinderella moment.
Next morning OS sent through a photo of the visa stamps in his passport to show he couldn't possibly have been at grand mercure and a story how he had argued with the driver about a tip.
The funniest bit was the driver's credibility was only ever at 50% because of his Medan accent, Boy did lady OS ring up bluebird and let that poor driver have it.
Poor chap was just a casualty of war.
Ha ha, except if the taxi driver is from Medan. Dead wives, sick babies, plagues and rats. OS always seems to get it from the Batak drivers.Yes, it's been a while since I had one of those assholes as my taxi driver. They drive the shittiest taxi in town. I've only had it happen twice, but their story to me was "please mister, my wife (or kid) is sick and I have no money. Can you help me? Please, please, please, please. " They don't shut up the entire ride, then I get out, give them the fare on the meter and say "sorry to hear of your problems".
I haven't had them mention plagues or rats yet. LOL.
They definitely are not driving Silver Bird taxis though. The chance of a Silver Bird taxi trying to rip you off is slim to none.
I don't consider the guys who refuse to use the meter to be dishonest. They tell you right up front that is the rate. You can accept it or not. But they drive the most beat up taxis in town that nobody would ever take, then they wait outside areas where it's difficult to ever find a taxi. The fact that there were never any taxis in those areas was their only advantage, and Grab car has pretty much killed them off these days. I think that refusal to use the meter happens more in Thailand than in Jakarta. And many times in Thailand, the taxi just refuses to take you where you want to go. I can't even count the number of times a Thai taxi has pulled up and when I tell them where I want to go, they refuse to go there and drive away. I've never had that happen in Jakarta. When I want to go from Nana to Ladprao Central Plaza, the taxi meter should be around 70 baht, but most Thai taxis will demand at least 300.
Aussie taxi drivers totally suck, they are always trying to get tourists to go places they don't need to go. Same in New York, etc. I really think Indonesia has the most honest taxi drivers anywhere.
Blanquiceleste
01-10-20, 13:44
They definitely are not driving Silver Bird taxis though. The chance of a Silver Bird taxi trying to rip you off is slim to none.
I don't consider the guys who refuse to use the meter to be dishonest. They tell you right up front that is the rate. You can accept it or not. But they drive the most beat up taxis in town that nobody would ever take, then they wait outside areas where it's difficult to ever find a taxi. The fact that there were never any taxis in those areas was their only advantage, and Grab car has pretty much killed them off these days. I think that refusal to use the meter happens more in Thailand than in Jakarta. And many times in Thailand, the taxi just refuses to take you where you want to go. I can't even count the number of times a Thai taxi has pulled up and when I tell them where I want to go, they refuse to go there and drive away. I've never had that happen in Jakarta. When I want to go from Nana to Ladprao Central Plaza, the taxi meter should be around 70 baht, but most Thai taxis will demand at least 300.
Aussie taxi drivers totally suck, they are always trying to get tourists to go places they don't need to go. Same in New York, etc. I really think Indonesia has the most honest taxi drivers anywhere.Agree, Silverbird Bluebird and Express drivers don't try to rip you off.
I also agree asking for a flat fare is not necessarily dishonest, if the ask is reasonable (within 5-10% of the usual meter rate). Particularly in places where it is hard to find a taxi, like Kota Indah. Call it convenience charge. But if someone asks for twice the fare, then I wonder what you would call that.
And you are also correct that taxis in Thailand, Australia, New York, India, China, Philippines, etc all suck. But that does not make the Indonesian taxi drivers any less dishonest. All these guys can smell a noob a mile away and they would not hesitate a second to hang draw and quarter them. Now the only place I have seen where every single taxi driver is completely honest is Singapore. No where else in the world. Perhaps Dubai may be a distant second.
My last visits to Jakarta, each time lasted only a couple of weeks. Now I'm considering to stay longer than a month.
For the first entry I will not need a visa, but as you know, that stay has a max of 30 days (not travelling on Sosbud because it is a hassle to take care of that here in Spain).
In the past I used to go to Singapore and return for another 30 days max: The Visa Run, leaving and returning the same day. But now somebody has told me that there is a minimum stay abroad required, before being able to return to Jakarta.
Please info me on this matter.
Now the only place I have seen where every single taxi driver is completely honest is Singapore. No where else in the world. You must have missed the story where the guy took a taxi in Singapore and needed to go to the ATM so he had the car stop for some money to pay the taxi. He had left his bag on the seat in the car, and inside that bag there was an iPad. He didn't notice the iPad was gone until he got to the gate to check in.
Egy Monger New
01-17-20, 08:40
My last visits to Jakarta, each time lasted only a couple of weeks. Now I'm considering to stay longer than a month.
For the first entry I will not need a visa, but as you know, that stay has a max of 30 days (not travelling on Sosbud because it is a hassle to take care of that here in Spain).
In the past I used to go to Singapore and return for another 30 days max: The Visa Run, leaving and returning the same day. But now somebody has told me that there is a minimum stay abroad required, before being able to return to Jakarta.
Please info me on this matter.The best long-term solution for this problem is getting a dodgy visa agent to get you a KITAS. A 6-month one would cost you about Rp. 25,000,000 but you would still need to apply for it via an overseas Indonesian consulate at any country of your choice. PM me if you want to know the agent I use for my own KITAS.
Doing visa runs every 30 days is OK too but after a few times Immigration will start to question whether you are working here illegally. It might be better to wait a week or two before returning. I haven't actually heard of anyone doing visa runs being rejected entry though (at least in Soekarno-Hatta, not sure about Denpasar).
The best long-term solution for this problem is getting a dodgy visa agent to get you a KITAS. A 6-month one would cost you about Rp. 25,000,000 but you would still need to apply for it via an overseas Indonesian consulate at any country of your choice. PM me if you want to know the agent I use for my own KITAS.
Doing visa runs every 30 days is OK too but after a few times Immigration will start to question whether you are working here illegally. It might be better to wait a week or two before returning. I haven't actually heard of anyone doing visa runs being rejected entry though (at least in Soekarno-Hatta, not sure about Denpasar).Thanks for the reaction. I will only stay there for 40 days total, so a KITAS, would be too large an investment for the extra 10 days. Someone suggested buying a VOA that can be extended for another 30 days. But alas, no answer if someone that in principle does not need a VOA can purchase one.
Egy Monger New
01-18-20, 16:28
Only a few countries are eligible for the VOA visa. For my passport I can only get stamped 30 days and there is no way to get the VOA.
You could overstay the 10 days but the daily overstay fee has now been raised to a whopping Rp 1,000,000 and they're pretty strict about it now. Gone are the good old days when you could discreetly slip the immigration officer Rp 50,000 for an overstay offense.
Thanks for the reaction. I will only stay there for 40 days total, so a KITAS, would be too large an investment for the extra 10 days. Someone suggested buying a VOA that can be extended for another 30 days. But alas, no answer if someone that in principle does not need a VOA can purchase one.
Tommy Suharto
01-27-20, 23:51
Thanks for the reaction. I will only stay there for 40 days total, so a KITAS, would be too large an investment for the extra 10 days. Someone suggested buying a VOA that can be extended for another 30 days. But alas, no answer if someone that in principle does not need a VOA can purchase one.Menteng, you can use a VOA extension. At 35 USD. Gives you the initial 30 days plus another 30 days, 60 days in total on a tourist visa. You can get the extension on the designated entry points, no need to do a visa run. Have a great time.
Menteng, you can use a VOA extension. At 35 USD. Gives you the initial 30 days plus another 30 days, 60 days in total on a tourist visa. You can get the extension on the designated entry points, no need to do a visa run. Have a great time.Thank you! Appreciate your reaction.
CodeName47
02-20-20, 10:44
He absolutely DID NOT add that illegally. There is an airport fee for him to wait at the airport and also the tolls.
What country are you from where you are so un-trusting of people? LOL. That's sad.
Enjoy Indonesia. The people are among the most honest you will find anywhere in the world.I find it very relaxing when I visit Indonesia. I don't get that feel anywhere else. To a degree I feel safe in Singapore. But talking about a relaxing vacation Indonesia is the best so far.
I don't understand the hype about manila either. People try to scam if you are not very careful. Comparing to those, I feel very comfortable with Indonesians in general.
Thanks, in most of the Indian language Basha means language, there are some similarities in the words.
With Indonesian.Thats news. Is there enough similarity for a native Indian speaker to understand a native Indonesian speaker?
Indonesian is based heavily upon Malaysian to the point that Indonesians and Malays can very easily converse. I'm wondering if the early Indian influences in Malaysia have included their language and therefore also Indonesia's??
By "Indian" are you referring to Hindi?
Cheers. G.
Engine Driver
04-24-20, 05:55
Thats news. Is there enough similarity for a native Indian speaker to understand a native Indonesian speaker?
Indonesian is based heavily upon Malaysian to the point that Indonesians and Malays can very easily converse. I'm wondering if the early Indian influences in Malaysia have included their language and therefore also Indonesia's??
By "Indian" are you referring to Hindi?
Cheers. G.Many of the South East Asian languages have some root words from Tamil and Sanskrit. Malay, Indonesian and Tagalog still have many of these words. Indonesian has hundreds of Dutch words, particularly legal, commercial, financial and bureaucratic terms. Bahasa Indonesia was invented by a bunch of scholars to unify the country after WW 2. Before that it was just Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese etc.
A few examples include:
Indonesian / Tamil / Sanskrit.
Topi = Topi = Hat.
Kapal = Kapal = Ship.
Meja = Meshai = Table.
Kursi = Kuruchi = Chair.
Bahasa = Bashai = Language.
——————————————.
Indonesian / Dutch.
Apotik = Apotheek = Pharmacy.
Bengkel = Winkel = Workshop.
Bioskop = Bioscoop = Cinema.
Gratis = Gratis = Free.
BenderOver
04-24-20, 10:34
I also agree asking for a flat fare is not necessarily dishonest, if the ask is reasonable (within 5-10% of the usual meter rate). Particularly in places where it is hard to find a taxi, like Kota Indah. Call it convenience charge. But if someone asks for twice the fare, then I wonder what you would call that.
Have you ever tried to use the Bluebird app near that area? It's a comedy watching the icons drive in circles trying to get to you. Then you realize the tragedy when you have to jump in a flat fare taxi.
I always offer about 1. 8 times that of the metered fare near KI. I'm too fucking tired to walk back to my hotel; it's goddamn far away; and I'm sure I'm going to encounter more mosquitoes walking than in that piece of shit taxi.
Ok, flat fare taxi it is.
Oh damn, it stinks in here.
Christian G
07-05-21, 18:55
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/Indonesia-to-ban-entry-by-unvaccinated-foreigners?fbclid=IwAR0nkq2xUP2tIDgaQmvQRox5Rk6jrEezGqiMAD2yx2soZit4gSiVJFU0YF0
Indonesia to ban entry by unvaccinated foreigners.
Chinese and South Koreans are among the exempt.
July 5, 2021.
Jakarta -- Indonesia will bar foreign visitors not vaccinated against COVID-19 from entering the country, a government task force said Sunday, aiming to check the highly transmissible delta variant.
Foreigners entering the country will need to show a vaccination certificate and a negative PCR test. The visitor will then undergo an eight-day quarantine -- up from the previous five -- and will need two negative PCR tests during that time.
Government officials and diplomats, as well as those visiting under the travel corridor arrangements, are exempt. Indonesia has bilateral travel corridor arrangements with the United Arab Emirates, China, South Korea and Singapore.
Unvaccinated Indonesians returning home will receive the shots after undergoing the same quarantine and testing negative via PCR.
The task force did not give a time frame for the new measures. But an official at the Coordinating Ministry for Maritime Affairs and Investment, which oversees the tighter social restrictions on the islands of Java and Bali, said earlier Sunday that they will take effect Tuesday.
Indonesia bars foreigners from traveling in and transiting through Indonesian territory without a valid residence permit or certain classes of visa.
"We already understand that there is an increase in COVID-19 cases and new variants that continue to spread in various countries, so the government added special provisions to protect Indonesian citizens from imported cases," said Ganip Warsito, head of the COVID-19 Handling Task Force, in an online news conference Sunday.
The new measure "intends to implement stricter health protocols for international travelers to monitor, control, and evaluate the spread of COVID-19 cases, including the delta variant," he said.
The announcement follows tighter restrictions for domestic travel announced Thursday. Those traveling long distances, including by air, bus and train, need to be at least partly vaccinated against COVID-19.
The ban announced Sunday comes as Indonesia "teeters on the edge of a COVID-19 catastrophe," in the words of the Red Cross here. Daily cases have exceeded 20,000 for the past nine days and hit another daily record on Saturday. A total of 27,233 new cases were reported on Sunday, and deaths reached a new record of 555.
The surge in new cases has been blamed on the delta variant. Indonesia has a cumulative prevalence rate of 22% for delta, according to the outbreak.info portal from Scripps Research of the USA The site defines this as "the ratio of the sequences containing be. 1. 617.2 (delta's scientific name) to all sequences collected since the identification of be. 1. 617.2 in that location. ".
How much do prostitutes charge in Indonesia?
How much do prostitutes charge in Indonesia?Such a vague question.
Same as prostitutes all over the world, prostitutes in Indonesia charge as much as they can depending on their situation. Could be 50 K Rp in one situation and 2 million in another.
If you want more detail then read the forum. People have already posted much information about the prices that prostitutes charge in various situations.
Arrived in Jakarta this week. Everything went super smooth, before and after the IMEI registration. Before reaching customs, a line of signs urges you to register the IMEI of your mobile phone (s). I travelled with two phones. An IPhone pro, my daily driver and a cheaper Samsung, to be used while on vacation.
A lady behind the window started the registration and needed to know the value of my phones. The Samsung's was less than 500 euro's and the IPone's was more than 1000 euro's.
She said, that since the value of the IPhone exceeds 500 euro I will have to pay a tax if I want to use that during my stay. I told her that that was not very visitor-friendly because I believe that many visitors will have a mobile phone that costs more than 500 euro's.
So I had my cheaper Samsung registered while thinking to get me an Indonesian sim card anyway, once in the city. Alas, I already have five failed attempts. The reason? They couldn't find my IPhone's IMEI in the system.
A friend handed me a solution. Top up my Samsung and tettering with my Iphone will provide me a "normal" use of the latter.
Papae Noel
07-09-22, 15:51
..register the IMEI of your mobile phone (s). I travelled with two phones. An IPhone pro, my daily driver and a cheaper Samsung, to be used while on vacation.
So I had my cheaper Samsung registered while thinking to get me an Indonesian sim card anyway, once in the city. Alas, I already have five failed attempts. The reason? They couldn't find my IPhone's IMEI in the system.
A friend handed me a solution. Top up my Samsung and tettering with my Iphone will provide me a "normal" use of the latter.I arrive in Jakarta next week (after 2. 5 years). I also have 2 phones. Is it possible to skip that line if I choose to, and just continue on to Customs? My USA Plan, T Mobile, works in Bangkok although just 2 G. But don't remember how it worked in Jakarta from my last trip. I really would like to have GoJek or Bluebird available, and not at 2 G. How were you able to tether one to the other? I have a cheap A32 Samsung, and also a pricey Note 21 Plus, so just probably register the A32, which actually should work well enough with an Indonesian SiM.
Arrived in Jakarta this week. Everything went super smooth, before and after the IMEI registration. Before reaching customs, a line of signs urges you to register the IMEI of your mobile phone (s). I travelled with two phones. An IPhone pro, my daily driver and a cheaper Samsung, to be used while on vacation.
A lady behind the window started the registration and needed to know the value of my phones. The Samsung's was less than 500 euro's and the IPone's was more than 1000 euro's.
She said, that since the value of the IPhone exceeds 500 euro I will have to pay a tax if I want to use that during my stay. I told her that that was not very visitor-friendly because I believe that many visitors will have a mobile phone that costs more than 500 euro's.
So I had my cheaper Samsung registered while thinking to get me an Indonesian sim card anyway, once in the city. Alas, I already have five failed attempts. The reason? They couldn't find my IPhone's IMEI in the system.
A friend handed me a solution. Top up my Samsung and tettering with my Iphone will provide me a "normal" use of the latter.Brother I have had the same problems with also my expensive iphone 13 pro max I couldn't use my indonesian simcard the solution is very simple just go to central park mall top floor simpati and go to the counter and show your foreign paspoort they will activate it for 3 months with your imei number and its absolutely free of charge very simple indeed, I also don't want to pay tax for my own phone are they crazy in Indonesia?
Ggekko2009
07-09-22, 17:32
I arrive in Jakarta next week (after 2. 5 years). I also have 2 phones. Is it possible to skip that line if I choose to, and just continue on to Customs? My USA Plan, T Mobile, works in Bangkok although just 2 G. But don't remember how it worked in Jakarta from my last trip. I really would like to have GoJek or Bluebird available, and not at 2 G. How were you able to tether one to the other? I have a cheap A32 Samsung, and also a pricey Note 21 Plus, so just probably register the A32, which actually should work well enough with an Indonesian SiM.It started back in 2020, but of course not many of us would have reported about this issue then for obvious reason.
If you continue to use T-Mobile, you should be fine and T-Mobile might have even upgraded that speed to 256 kbps for everyone. Still slow but should be decent enough for the taxi app. I used to always purchase high speed data from T-Mobile whenever I travel. Now my plan allocates me 5 GB of high speed data every month, and it works well enough for me.
This is only an issue if you want to use the local SIM card. If you are not planning any local SIM card on your phone, I will not be bothered to register it. But as long as the value is less than USD 500, you should not need to pay any tax.
I think you might even get a waiver if you plan to use it for less for 90 days as a foreign tourist. Maybe you can get it done when purchasing local sim card from the local shop and they can register and activate it for you on the spot. This is based on what I had been told, so YMMV.
Papae Noel
07-10-22, 00:00
It started back in 2020, but of course not many of us would have reported about this issue then for obvious reason.
If you continue to use T-Mobile, you should be fine and T-Mobile might have even upgraded that speed to 256 kbps for everyone. Still slow but should be decent enough for the taxi app. I used to always purchase high speed data from T-Mobile whenever I travel. Now my plan allocates me 5 GB of high speed data every month, and it works well enough for me.
.Just chatted with TMobile. My plan includes Simple Global feature. Up to 5 GB Hi-speed data, and then up to 256 Kbps, unlimited text, and. 25 cents / min for any calls while in Indonesia. Just need to send text #766# to turn on international roaming, and #763# to turn off. Not sure how much data will be used if not actively using the phone while roaming. Probably try to keep it off except when needed.
I still haven't confirmed if insurance is needed, and if they ask for evidence at CGK. Bought it several times for Thailand and Brazil, but tired of throwing money away.
Just chatted with TMobile. My plan includes Simple Global feature. Up to 5 GB Hi-speed data, and then up to 256 Kbps, unlimited text, and. 25 cents / min for any calls while in Indonesia. Just need to send text #766# to turn on international roaming, and #763# to turn off. Not sure how much data will be used if not actively using the phone while roaming. Probably try to keep it off except when needed.
I still haven't confirmed if insurance is needed, and if they ask for evidence at CGK. Bought it several times for Thailand and Brazil, but tired of throwing money away.I have the same T mobile world plan. Texts are unlimited. Only voice calls cost money. For data it is limited. But use wi fi wherever you go. Nowadays all the places you visit like restaurants, salons, massage places, clubs and of course hotels and stores has wi fi you can use. One good thing is nobody knows where you are. Anybody calls can reach you and also you can call anybody. Even the caller I the says just your number and name and not which place you are in the world.
I use T-mobile all over the world, even now. It's a handy way to bypass censors, like in Indonesia.
MadVic.
Papae Noel
07-15-22, 08:11
I use T-mobile all over the world, even now. It's a handy way to bypass censors, like in Indonesia.
MadVic.Same same, I have never opened any of my phones to swap out the SIM (usage in various countries like yourself). Last night, used Gojek to from hotel to another hotel. Good signal at all times. FWIW, I noticed the IMEI registration desk just prior to Immigrasi. It was closed up for the night at 11:25 pm.
Anyone else wondering about travel insurance, nobody asked to see. Maybe not required, but still not sure.
Folks,
On arrival in Jakarta, I paid for a 30 day VOA. The VOA Sticker gives the Date of Entry and Valid Until Date.
Question:
Can I use the VOA to enter Indonesia *twice* in a 30 day period? For example:
I arrive in Jakarta on January 1st and get the VOA valid until January 30th. If l fly out of Indonesia on January 8th, can I use the same VOA to enter Indonesia on January 18th?
Or do I have to pay for a new VOA when I arrive on Jan. 18th?
Thanks,
~BKKguru.
Egy Monger New
08-14-22, 11:56
Folks,
On arrival in Jakarta, I paid for a 30 day VOA. The VOA Sticker gives the Date of Entry and Valid Until Date.
Question:
Can I use the VOA to enter Indonesia *twice* in a 30 day period? For example:
I arrive in Jakarta on January 1st and get the VOA valid until January 30th. If l fly out of Indonesia on January 8th, can I use the same VOA to enter Indonesia on January 18th?
Or do I have to pay for a new VOA when I arrive on Jan. 18th?
Thanks,
~BKKguru.Need to pay for a new VOA regardless when you fly out.
BenderOver
08-14-22, 19:11
Folks,
On arrival in Jakarta, I paid for a 30 day VOA. The VOA Sticker gives the Date of Entry and Valid Until Date.
Question:
Can I use the VOA to enter Indonesia *twice* in a 30 day period? For example:
I arrive in Jakarta on January 1st and get the VOA valid until January 30th. If l fly out of Indonesia on January 8th, can I use the same VOA to enter Indonesia on January 18th?
Or do I have to pay for a new VOA when I arrive on Jan. 18th?
Thanks,
~BKKguru.You buy the VOA and it's an Immigration sticker with a holographic security mark on it. It's applied into your passport page and stamped a date of entry. When you LEAVE Indonesia, immigration with close out that first entry stamp with an exit stamp (different shape, different color ink) but it'll be on the same page as the entry. Once you've exit stamped that entry stamp, you start all over! So yes, you need to buy a new VOA again.
Pre COVID, there was also Visa Exempt, which was no cost and you could enter and exit with the ink stamp alone. These were restricted to non-business non-commercial and tourism only with a 30 day limit.
During COVID, there were the travel visas that were granted through tour companies or you needed a work sponsor to apply online for you. I ended up getting some non-holographic QR sticker for that entry. Also ink stamped entry and exit.
Thanks for the detailed response.
Too bad they do not offer multiple entry within the 30 day period.
I understand this is Revenue for the Indonesian Government which is hard to give up.
I would like to evaluate the KITAP option. Any recommendation for an Agent in Jakarta who can help with KITAP?
Thanks again,
~BKKguru.
You buy the VOA and it's an Immigration sticker with a holographic security mark on it. It's applied into your passport page and stamped a date of entry. When you LEAVE Indonesia, immigration with close out that first entry stamp with an exit stamp (different shape, different color ink) but it'll be on the same page as the entry. Once you've exit stamped that entry stamp, you start all over! So yes, you need to buy a new VOA again.
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BaddHabbit
08-17-22, 15:56
Thanks for the detailed response.
Too bad they do not offer multiple entry within the 30 day period.
I understand this is Revenue for the Indonesian Government which is hard to give up.
I would like to evaluate the KITAP option. Any recommendation for an Agent in Jakarta who can help with KITAP?
Thanks again,
~BKKguru.If you travel a lot around Southeast Asia for business then consider trying to apply for an APEC card. I have one and it gives me unlimited Visa-free, charge-free entry to 20 different countries in Asia for five years. Also gives you access to diplomatic lanes through customs and a few other perks. Very very worthwhile.
Possessed Seoul
08-20-22, 17:57
KITAP is a marriage visa, similar to permanent residency. KITAS is for someone sponsored to work in Indonesia, although I believe you can get one if you set up your own company. There are business visas that can be had for a substantial price that allow longer stays. Take a look at Okusi Associates or a similar company for assistance with that.
Thanks for the detailed response.
Too bad they do not offer multiple entry within the 30 day period.
I understand this is Revenue for the Indonesian Government which is hard to give up.
I would like to evaluate the KITAP option. Any recommendation for an Agent in Jakarta who can help with KITAP?
Thanks again,
~BKKguru.
Hi guys,
Planned to go to Jakarta in October, seems that I need to pay the VOA since my country is listed in. Can I pay the VOA fees with euros? USD? Or I need to exchange in order to pay the 500 K IRD at the border?
I also planned to move to Bali and return to Europe from Bali, do I need to pay VOA once again?
Thanks.
DownUnderMonger
08-27-22, 16:49
Hi guys,
Planned to go to Jakarta in October, seems that I need to pay the VOA since my country is listed in. Can I pay the VOA fees with euros? USD? Or I need to exchange in order to pay the 500 K IRD at the border?
I also planned to move to Bali and return to Europe from Bali, do I need to pay VOA once again?
Thanks.Yep there's a sign that gets updated every day. Notes only though.
VOA is single-engry so yep you will have to pay again if you leave Indonesia.
Hi guys,
Planned to go to Jakarta in October, seems that I need to pay the VOA since my country is listed in. Can I pay the VOA fees with euros? USD? Or I need to exchange in order to pay the 500 K IRD at the border?
I also planned to move to Bali and return to Europe from Bali, do I need to pay VOA once again? Hi,
You have to pay Cash for the VOA. They accept USD and IDR. In IDR the fee is 500,000.
You can travel to Bali or any other city in Indonesia. VOA is Single entry only. You will have to purchase a new VOA, every time you visit Indonesia. Good Luck!
~BKKguru.
Hi,
You have to pay Cash for the VOA. They accept USD and IDR. In IDR the fee is 500,000.
You can travel to Bali or any other city in Indonesia. VOA is Single entry only. You will have to purchase a new VOA, every time you visit Indonesia. Good Luck!
~BKKguru.Thanks for the clear answer I'll go with some usd then, just to be sure I won't be stuck.
Hi guys,
Planned to go to Jakarta in October, seems that I need to pay the VOA since my country is listed in. Can I pay the VOA fees with euros? USD? Or I need to exchange in order to pay the 500 K IRD at the border?
I also planned to move to Bali and return to Europe from Bali, do I need to pay VOA once again?
Thanks.If you are staying less than 30 days then you may not need a voa (we do not from UK).
If you are staying between 30 and 60 days you will need a voa and need to extend it before the 30 days. This takes about 7 days and they keep your passport.
You do not need a new voa if flying internally and if your voa was from Jakarta then there is no problem extending in Bali.
You can pay at the airport in most currencies.
Llantarnam
09-01-22, 13:25
If you are staying less than 30 days then you may not need a voa (we do not from UK).Where did you get this information from? My understanding was that visa free travel was suspended due to covid, and as of 26th July 2022 nearly everyone (including UK) needs to get a visa on arrival. This link was updated 25th August.
https://kemlu.go.id/bern/en/news/17810/entering-indonesia-updated-on-27-april-2022
Where did you get this information from? My understanding was that visa free travel was suspended due to covid, and as of 26th July 2022 nearly everyone (including UK) needs to get a visa on arrival. This link was updated 25th August.
https://kemlu.go.id/bern/en/news/17810/entering-indonesia-updated-on-27-april-2022
Visa Waiver is indeed suspended and almost every single country will need VOA.
The above link (The UK is not on the list of VOA).
https://kemlu.go.id/bern/en/news/17810/entering-indonesia-updated-on-27-april-2022
Is contradictory to this (The UK is on the list VOA) No. 82.
https://kemlu.go.id/london/en/news/18631/visa-on-arrival-voa-for-foreign-travellers
KrisMonger
09-25-22, 23:54
Heading to Indonesia for a week in October and was starting to look at twitter. Thanks Golfering for your prior note on deciphering twitter code!.
Few questions. Some of them ask DP (Deposit) to show up. Assuming I try to do something stupid like that is there an app in Indonesia that everyone uses for money xfer?
Also. Planning on taking my Google Fi phone there for roaming -anyone with Fi experience in Indonesia that can provide feedback will be great!.
Kris.
BenderOver
09-26-22, 07:47
If you are staying less than 30 days then you may not need a voa (we do not from UK).
If you are staying between 30 and 60 days you will need a voa and need to extend it before the 30 days. This takes about 7 days and they keep your passport.
You do not need a new voa if flying internally and if your voa was from Jakarta then there is no problem extending in Bali.
You can pay at the airport in most currencies.Not sure this info is legit. VOA is in full enforcement for qualified countries only (USA Is one of them of course, not sure about you. K. Status). Visa exemption has been suspended for the time being and seeing how many 500 k VOA's are being sold, I really doubt Visa exemption is going to be coming back anytime soon.
500 k VOA is accepted in IDR or $36 or $37 USD (I can't remember exactly how much because I've paid it so many times since it was $35, I can't remember if the exchange rate even affects the USD amount at the immigration counter). Limited currency types are accepted, so not sure about british pounds.
Llantarnam
09-26-22, 08:59
DP (Deposit) Other definitions are available.
Heading to Indonesia for a week in October and was starting to look at twitter. Thanks Golfering for your prior note on deciphering twitter code!.
Few questions. Some of them ask DP (Deposit) to show up. Assuming I try to do something stupid like that is there an app in Indonesia that everyone uses for money xfer?
Also. Planning on taking my Google Fi phone there for roaming -anyone with Fi experience in Indonesia that can provide feedback will be great!.
Kris.Thanks for the shout out.
Deposits in this case are used by the girls to prevent broke freeloaders from wasting the their time. I don't know any expats who have been held to paying them and I certainly wouldn't. For incalls (you go to her), if you turn up with dick in one hand and wallet in the other, then you won't be turned away. For outcalls she may want to see proof that you are here now: photos of room keys or window views showing recognisable landmarks often suffice. If in doubt just plead that you have no idea or facilities to make IDR transfers and move on if this isn't enough. Note that this may also label you as a newbie mark so keep your eyes open.
If you fall in love and simply must pay a DP, locals do it at an ATM. She will give her bank and account details and you use the ATM to pay into a 3rd party account. It takes a little mucking around to do it but it's not that difficult. Keep the receipt as evidence that you have paid her. ATMs do have an English option. Some of the more sophisticated girls may also have PayPal or GCash options but these are indications that she's definitely been around the block before so buyer beware. Once you have paid a deposit, you have zero chance of getting it back.
I have no idea on GoogleFi.
Enjoy. G.
LookAtWorld
11-09-22, 16:26
Along with VOA fee, any Covid test requirement for vaccinated travelers? Hopefully no. Anyone has first hand experience of entering Jakarta, please share. Thank you.
Not sure this info is legit. VOA is in full enforcement for qualified countries only (USA Is one of them of course, not sure about you. K. Status). Visa exemption has been suspended for the time being and seeing how many 500 k VOA's are being sold, I really doubt Visa exemption is going to be coming back anytime soon.
500 k VOA is accepted in IDR or $36 or $37 USD (I can't remember exactly how much because I've paid it so many times since it was $35, I can't remember if the exchange rate even affects the USD amount at the immigration counter). Limited currency types are accepted, so not sure about british pounds.
Irish Mongrel
11-09-22, 23:22
Along with VOA fee, any Covid test requirement for vaccinated travelers? Hopefully no. Anyone has first hand experience of entering Jakarta, please share. Thank you.Have had two trips into Indonesia via Bali over the past month. No Covid test requirements but you do need to be vaccinated. You can pre-register your vaccine or they will do it at the airport. You will also need the PeduliLindungi app on your phone. You generally won't require it, but that is were you vaccinations are stored once they are uploaded at the airport, and the odd place will ask you to scan in. Plaza Indonesia Mall was one of those places during my last visit to Jakarta.
Note: pre-registering your vaccinations, although a pain in the ass to do, can save you a bunch of time at the airport when you arrive at the airport. I missed a massive queue in Bali on my second trip in.
I can second that: the PeduliLindungi app is really painful to operate. I needed a few runs, it even blocked me for a day because I put in the wrong vaccination, allthough it was the correct one.
I talked to my airline and they also confirmed that there is no PCR test mandatory if you are vaccinated. VOA requirments are depending on your country of origin, so you should definetly check that before arrival.
LookAtWorld
11-10-22, 14:43
Thank you for the vital information. Very helpful.
Have had two trips into Indonesia via Bali over the past month. No Covid test requirements but you do need to be vaccinated. You can pre-register your vaccine or they will do it at the airport. You will also need the PeduliLindungi app on your phone. You generally won't require it, but that is were you vaccinations are stored once they are uploaded at the airport, and the odd place will ask you to scan in. Plaza Indonesia Mall was one of those places during my last visit to Jakarta.
Note: pre-registering your vaccinations, although a pain in the ass to do, can save you a bunch of time at the airport when you arrive at the airport. I missed a massive queue in Bali on my second trip in.
BenderOver
11-14-22, 05:06
Have had two trips into Indonesia via Bali over the past month. No Covid test requirements but you do need to be vaccinated. You can pre-register your vaccine or they will do it at the airport. You will also need the PeduliLindungi app on your phone. You generally won't require it, but that is were you vaccinations are stored once they are uploaded at the airport, and the odd place will ask you to scan in. Plaza Indonesia Mall was one of those places during my last visit to Jakarta.
Note: pre-registering your vaccinations, although a pain in the ass to do, can save you a bunch of time at the airport when you arrive at the airport. I missed a massive queue in Bali on my second trip in.The PeduliLindingi App backend (operated by the Indonesians) can be terribly slow. As a foreigner, it's easy to navigate to upload your documents for review. However, for some damn reason, it took the review team 2 months to approve me.
While this isn't the end of the world, be advised that the large malls and the airports for domestic flights are checking PeduliLindingi for your vaccine verifications. You get around this by keeping a copy of your vaccine certificates handy and showing your foreign passport. Indonesians are usually super nice and will give you plenty of space especially if you're a foreigner. I was never forbidden from entering any mall or airport even though my PeduliLindingi was showing YELLOW as PENDING review.
The advice here is do the app early, because a GREEN verification is just plain easier than explaining about your foreign vaccination review status pending everytime you walk up to a PeduliLindingi QR scan area.
I am planning to visit Indonesia mid 2023, and want to stay longer than 30 days.
Is the 30 day VOA the only tourist visa available at the moment?
It was previously possible to extend the 30 day visa once, without leaving the country. Is this still possible?
Are there other tourist visa options for a longer stay, other than leaving and returning every 30 days?
Gonz0.
I am planning to visit Indonesia mid 2023, and want to stay longer than 30 days.
Is the 30 day VOA the only tourist visa available at the moment?
It was previously possible to extend the 30 day visa once, without leaving the country. Is this still possible?
Are there other tourist visa options for a longer stay, other than leaving and returning every 30 days?
Gonz0.Check molina. Imigrasi. Go. ID. If you're on the list you can extend the VOA another 30 days. It takes 3 or 4 visits to the Immigration office though.
To stay longer than that, you will need a Social Visa which requires a Indonesian Citizen to sponsor.
Visa runs to Malaysia, Thailand or Singapore are cheap and reasonably common.
Visa runs to Malaysia, Thailand or Singapore are cheap and reasonably common.Is there a minimum stay abroad required now? Back in the day, I stayed one night in Singapore, but other members posted then, that it was possible to take a morning flight to Singapore and an afternoon flight back.
Is there a minimum stay abroad required now? Back in the day, I stayed one night in Singapore, but other members posted then, that it was possible to take a morning flight to Singapore and an afternoon flight back.Long enough to pass through arrival and departure immigration. Same day is fine. I've done morning to afternoon several times.
Check molina. Imigrasi. Go. ID.I'm on the list, but there's no info about the procedure. I found it at Imigrasi. Go. ID / en / perpanjangan-izin-tinggal-dengan-visa-kunjungan-saat-kedatangan /. I don't think it will be worth the effort required to complete that process. Looks like the visa run is the simplest solution. Good to know that it could be done in one day, if flights are available. Thanks for the information.
Gonz0.
I'm on the list, but there's no info about the procedure. I found it at Imigrasi. Go. ID / en / perpanjangan-izin-tinggal-dengan-visa-kunjungan-saat-kedatangan /. I don't think it will be worth the effort required to complete that process. Looks like the visa run is the simplest solution. Good to know that it could be done in one day, if flights are available. Thanks for the information.
Gonz0.You're correct that renewal is time-consuming. It's three or four visits to Immigration. An agent makes it easier but it's never a five minute stamp and gone process.
There are a million flights available to SG, KL etc.
I am planning to visit Indonesia mid 2023, and want to stay longer than 30 days.
Is the 30 day VOA the only tourist visa available at the moment?
It was previously possible to extend the 30 day visa once, without leaving the country. Is this still possible?
Are there other tourist visa options for a longer stay, other than leaving and returning every 30 days?
Gonz0.In the old days I found that instead of flying direct to Indonesia and getting the 30-day visa on arrival, if you initially went to Singapore for example you could go to a travel agent, book a ticket with them and ask them to arrange a 60-day visa via the Indonesian embassy. It was a 24-hour affair (book in the morning, collect the following afternoon), involving a layover in Singapore but a night in Orchard Towers took the hard edge of that prospect. I don't know if that option is still available or if it suits your plans but it might be worth checking out.
In the old days I found that instead of flying direct to Indonesia and getting the 30-day visa on arrival, if you initially went to Singapore for example you could go to a travel agent, book a ticket with them and ask them to arrange a 60-day visa via the Indonesian embassy. It was a 24-hour affair (book in the morning, collect the following afternoon), involving a layover in Singapore but a night in Orchard Towers took the hard edge of that prospect. I don't know if that option is still available or if it suits your plans but it might be worth checking out.All correct but the 60 day visa no longer exists. If you call the embassy they will recommend 30 day VOA plus an extension.
One thing that no one has mentioned is will your airline let you on the plane for a 30+ day holiday if you are only holding a visa for 30 days? Many here recognise the VOA plus extension option but if you get a Karen at check-in, then all bets are off.
One thing that no one has mentioned is will your airline let you on the plane for a 30+ day holiday if you are only holding a visa for 30 days? Many here recognise the VOA plus extension option but if you get a Karen at check-in, then all bets are off.I entered with a 90 day return flight, no problem without any other outbound flight and picked up a voa. But they would not extend my voa without proof of an outbound flight with the 30 days extension period. I flew Qatar airways.
I entered with a 90 day return flight, no problem without any other outbound flight and picked up a voa. But they would not extend my voa without proof of an outbound flight with the 30 days extension period. I flew Qatar airways.When was this?
How difficult / time consuming, was it to organise the extension? Would you recommend it over paying 2 extra flights for a visa run?
When was this?
How difficult / time consuming, was it to organise the extension? Would you recommend it over paying 2 extra flights for a visa run?This was 2 months ago, I'll be doing the same again very soon.
The voa extension process takes 3 trips to Denpasar immigration, but only the second is time consuming. It takes about 5 days to process and you have to leave your passport with them. First & third are to drop off and pick up documentation. The second one trip is for photograph and fingerprinting, which took about 2 hours (get there early). Even with an agent involved you obviously still have to attend for this.
I think it's 500 k to extend so cheaper than a visa run. Make sure you get the correct immigration office though as they will turn you away. I stay in sanur and can use the Denpasar immigration but I saw people turned away who were staying in cangu as there is another closer office for them. But I don't know where.
There are a few massage joints in Denpasar so you can mix a bit of business with pleasure or just visit the malls to see if you can get chatting to any girls.
This was 2 months ago, I'll be doing the same again very soon.
The voa extension process takes 3 trips to Denpasar immigration, but only the second is time consuming. It takes about 5 days to process and you have to leave your passport with them. First & third are to drop off and pick up documentation. The second one trip is for photograph and fingerprinting, which took about 2 hours (get there early).
I think it's 500 k to extend so cheaper than a visa run. Make sure you get the correct immigration office though as they will turn you away.Thanks for the information. From the prices I have seen for flights, when I will need to renew my visa, it looks like it will be 5-6 times the cost of the visa extension, to make a visa run. And it will use up a whole day.
Maybe three visits to immigration over around 5 days will be worth it to save at least Rp 2 million?
How soon after arriving can you apply for the extension? Can you do it immediately?
You mention using an agent. Do you think someone who has not done this before, would be able to complete the application process on their own?
Thanks for the information. From the prices I have seen for flights, when I will need to renew my visa, it looks like it will be 5-6 times the cost of the visa extension, to make a visa run. And it will use up a whole day.
Maybe three visits to immigration over around 5 days will be worth it to save at least Rp 2 million?
How soon after arriving can you apply for the extension? Can you do it immediately?
You mention using an agent. Do you think someone who has not done this before, would be able to complete the application process on their own?Have a look at the following (there is a government page for Bali but I can't see it).
https://jogja.imigrasi.go.id/extending-indonesia-visa-on-arrival-101/
You do it when you have about 10-14 days left on your initial voa.
It's not complicated and you get a morning or afternoon appointment for the 2nd & 3rd visit.
This is for Denpasar immigration.
Day 1 - go to the kiosk outside the main building, collect the forms and complete there. Hand back the forms, documents & passport. You will get an appointment slot for day 2. Pay at the far kiosk, no foreign cards allowed, take cash. There's a cafe around the back. You can also get printing done here if you need.
Day 2 - go early, go inside main building turn right and go to the end. Go in queue and you get a ticket with a number on it. The screens above shows the ticket numbers, you need to wait till it's your turn.
Day 3 - main building same queue, they will call your name and you get your passport back. Last time it took10 minutes.
Many people prefer to use agents I prefer not. You need a print out if the relevant documents.
AussieGaigin
12-04-22, 05:49
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63838213
By Thomas Mackintosh.
BBC News.
Indonesia's parliament is expected to pass a new criminal law this month that will punish sex outside marriage with imprisonment of up to a year.
Bambang Wuryanto, a politician involved in the draft, said the code could be passed as early as next week.
The law, if passed, would apply to Indonesian citizens and foreigners alike.
Punishment for adultery can only take effect if there are parties who lodge complaints to the authorities.
For those who are married, the party entitled to lodge a complaint is the perpetrator's husband or wife.
The law also allows the parents of unmarried people to report them for having sex.
Cohabitation before marriage will also be banned and those convicted could face a six-month prison sentence.
Business groups have expressed concern about the damage the rules might do to Indonesia's image as a holiday and investment destination, according to Reuters.
Shinta Widjaja Sukamdani, deputy chairperson of Indonesia's Employers' Association (APINDO), said: "For the business sector, the implementation of this customary law shall create legal uncertainty and make investors reconsider investing in Indonesia. ".
The previous draft of the code was set to be passed in 2019 but sparked nationwide protests with tens of thousands taking part in demonstrations.
Many, including students, took to the streets in cities across Indonesia with the main clashes taking place in the capital Jakarta.
Jakarta police battled protesters in 2019 who were angry over a new corruption law and proposed penal code.
Such strict laws on sex and relationships are not without precedent in parts of majority-Muslim Indonesia.
The province of Aceh enforces strict Islamic law and has punished people for gambling, drinking alcohol and meeting members of the opposite sex.
In one case in 2021, neighbours denounced two men for having sex. They each received 77 lashes from a police officer in a public caning.
On the same day a woman and man were each given 20 lashes for being caught in close proximity to each other, and two men were given 40 lashes each for getting drunk.
AussieGaigin:
So unmarried couples must avoid Indonesia. Must be a deathblow to tourism on Bali.
Mighty Spearsman
12-06-22, 00:26
AussieGaigin:
So unmarried couples must avoid Indonesia. Must be a death blow to tourism on Bali.Hey Menteng, nice to see that you are still around.
I'm curious as to whether the authorities would ever enforce that proposed law in Bali itself, precisely because Bali is the main tourism draw for Indonesia (I think it's the #1 tourism spot in all of Southeast Asia) and a lot of tourism dollars flow through there.
The article is also mixing apples and oranges by ending with a couple of scary paragraphs on Aceh, as that province has been run differently from the rest of Indonesia for a fairly long time (and has very few tourists as a result).
We'll see.
Hey Menteng, nice to see that you are still around.Likewise big guy!
I'm curious as to whether the authorities would ever enforce that proposed law in Bali itself, precisely because Bali is the main tourism draw for Indonesia (I think it's the #1 tourism spot in all of Southeast Asia) and a lot of tourism dollars flow through there.
The article is also mixing apples and oranges by ending with a couple of scary paragraphs on Aceh, as that province has been run differently from the rest of Indonesia for a fairly long time (and has very few tourists as a result).
We'll see.Well, I hope the family of the friend where I stay when in Jakarta, keep liking me, since they are the ones who could tell on us. LOL!
It's been a long time since I have had to do a visa run, but had no choice recently.
So, checked AirAsia and found the cheapest flight was up to KL and back the same day. I also checked flights to Singapore and BKK. Booked it about 3 weeks out.
When time came, I did online check in and boarding passes. While in CGK Departure, I was thinking that maybe I can just get downstairs to Arrivals and save the hassle of flying to / from KL. But, I remember one time, the Indo VOA officer wanted to see my boarding pass. So decided to head out to KL.
Get to KL and was thinking, "I have no checked bags and already have my boarding pass. ". So, instead of going through immigration, I went to connecting flights.
Worked out no problem. Super easy.
And when I got back to CGK, in early morning, the VOA officer had no interest in my boarding pass. He didn't even ask me any questions. Just applied the stickers & time stamp, then sent me on my way.
MadVic.
It's been a long time since I have had to do a visa run, but had no choice recently.
So, checked AirAsia and found the cheapest flight was up to KL and back the same day. I also checked flights to Singapore and BKK. Booked it about 3 weeks out.
When time came, I did online check in and boarding passes. While in CGK Departure, I was thinking that maybe I can just get downstairs to Arrivals and save the hassle of flying to / from KL. But, I remember one time, the Indo VOA officer wanted to see my boarding pass. So decided to head out to KL.
Get to KL and was thinking, "I have no checked bags and already have my boarding pass. ". So, instead of going through immigration, I went to connecting flights.
Worked out no problem. Super easy..Sorry I'm not clear whether you flew to KL or did you stay in CGK the whole time? So did you go to the boarding area on CGK then come back through the connecting gate without flying away?
Or did you fly to KL and came back?
Sorry I'm not clear whether you flew to KL or did you stay in CGK the whole time? So did you go to the boarding area on CGK then come back through the connecting gate without flying away?
Or did you fly to KL and came back?I thought it was pretty clear, as I had mentioned getting to KL. And getting back to CGK.
I did debate on just trying to find a way downstairs to Arrivals, in CGK, and skip flying to KL and back (not sure if it's even possible). But, as I had said before, a while back, a VOA officer wanted to see my boarding pass from my Arriving flight. So. I went ahead flew up to KL and back.
MadVic.
I thought it was pretty clear, as I had mentioned getting to KL. And getting back to CGK.
I did debate on just trying to find a way downstairs to Arrivals, in CGK, and skip flying to KL and back (not sure if it's even possible). But, as I had said before, a while back, a VOA officer wanted to see my boarding pass from my Arriving flight. So. I went ahead flew up to KL and back.
MadVic.How did you think you were going to get into the immigration line for arriving passengers from the arrivals concourse?
How did you think you were going to get into the immigration line for arriving passengers from the arrivals concourse?Arrivals come in downstairs. I was thinking there would be a stairwell or just go to a gate and go down the Arrivals route. Worse case, ask an airport staff member.
Not sure why it's a big concern still. As I said, I took the flight to KL and back. I just was thinking if it is possible while waiting for my flight to KL.
MadVic.
Arrivals come in downstairs. I was thinking there would be a stairwell or just go to a gate and go down the Arrivals route. Worse case, ask an airport staff member.
Not sure why it's a big concern still. As I said, I took the flight to KL and back. I just was thinking if it is possible while waiting for my flight to KL.
MadVic.No big concern at all, I just can't believe that you thought you could access the immigration line from the arrivals area.
To even try to do so would set off so many security alerts that you'd probably spend a couple of nights in the airport holding cell in handcuffs before being deported back to your home country.
Have you been in many airports? Have you seen how they are laid out?
No big concern at all, I just can't believe that you thought you could access the immigration line from the arrivals area.
To even try to do so would set off so many security alerts that you'd probably spend a couple of nights in the airport holding cell in handcuffs before being deported back to your home country.
Have you been in many airports? Have you seen how they are laid out?I guess you missed my comment about maybe asking an airport staff member if they could help me.
I have been to quite a few airports all around the world, do you want to compare lists? LOL.
MadVic.
FriendlyPlanet
01-16-23, 16:55
You could tell a staff member at the departure gate that you left some vital medicine at home- more likely than not, they'd just send you back out through arrivals. Still run the risk that the immigration officer asks for an inbound boarding pass, but that happens rarely. I left my carryon bag in a restaurant landside once in Singapore, went back out through arrivals immigration, grabbed the bag and went back in airside through emigration again. They did notice the short round trip, but when I explained about the bag, they had no issue with it.
I guess you missed my comment about maybe asking an airport staff member if they could help me.
I have been to quite a few airports all around the world, do you want to compare lists? LOL.
MadVic.
The old paper forms you had till fill in at customs are gone and you need to complete it online which can be done in your home country before flying. You receive a QR code which they scan and it is quick.
But there were a lot of people trying to do it at the customs check point on the dodgy airport WiFi and were struggling to connect.
https://ecd.beacukai.go.id
One interesting thing is if you are staying longer than 90 days they want the IMEI number for all you devices, phone's, tablets etc.
Also getting a SIM seems to have changed. They take your IMEI when getting a SIM and you are only allowed one month (with no topping up). After one month you have to buy a new SIM and they told me you can only have 2 Sims per trip (although I've not reached this yet).
The old paper forms you had till fill in at customs are gone and you need to complete it online which can be done in your home country before flying. You receive a QR code which they scan and it is quick.
But there were a lot of people trying to do it at the customs check point on the dodgy airport WiFi and were struggling to connect.
https://ecd.beacukai.go.id
One interesting thing is if you are staying longer than 90 days they want the IMEI number for all you devices, phone's, tablets etc.
Also getting a SIM seems to have changed. They take your IMEI when getting a SIM and you are only allowed one month (with no topping up). After one month you have to buy a new SIM and they told me you can only have 2 Sims per trip (although I've not reached this yet).Yes, I already have the website saved and ready to use before entering.
My T-mobile sim card works ok here (using it now to get around local block), and I usually find wifi when out. So, no need for local SIM card.
I have basically been here for almost a year (my little birdwatcher keeps me well tended to), but coming and going. Never registered my laptop.
What kept me from trying to get around the round trip flight and ask airport staff, was that previously, I have had VOA officers ask to see boarding pass of my flight into Jakarta. I had the AirAsia electronic copy, but that was for later that night.
But dammit, when I did come back later that night / early morning, the VOA officer did not even talk to me or ask to see the boarding pass. He just did his thing and sent me on my way.
Ah well. At least, I finally got to see KLIA2.
MadVic.
TravelingMan3
01-21-23, 02:12
Hi everyone I'm a bit confused can you fly into Jakarta or do you have to go to Bali.
BenderOver
01-22-23, 09:32
Hi everyone I'm a bit confused can you fly into Jakarta or do you have to go to Bali.Yes. Internationally, you can fly into CGK. It's usually cheaper to land there than Bali.
Your PM box is full. Couldn't send you an answer.
Hi everyone I'm a bit confused can you fly into Jakarta or do you have to go to Bali.Yes. Internationally, you can fly into Bali. It's usually cheaper to land there than CGK -- sometimes, but sometimes not. Most of the times the price difference is nominal. It mostly depends from where you're flying.
Yes. Internationally, you can fly into Bali. It's usually cheaper to land there than CGK -- sometimes, but sometimes not. Most of the times the price difference is nominal. It mostly depends from where you're flying.If you plan to visit both places, take a return ticket to the farthest destination and have a stop-over at the other. That is what I used to do.
July, last year, when arriving at Jakarta airport I had to register my IMEI numbers and the values of my mobile phones. The officer of customs told me I had to pay tax for the one that was worth more than 500 dollars.
Is that ridiculous measure still valid? If so, we might expect the same shti for watches, laptops and so on in the near future.
And how did you deal with the mobile phone issue?
Mighty Spearsman
02-04-23, 23:43
July, last year, when arriving at Jakarta airport I had to register my IMEI numbers and the values of my mobile phones. The officer of customs told me I had to pay tax for the one that was worth more than 500 dollars.
Is that ridiculous measure still valid? If so, we might expect the same shit for watches, laptops and so on in the near future.
And how did you deal with the mobile phone issue?This is important info, thanks for posting it. And you're right, they may start checking laptops next.
I use an iPhone 13 in the US, but when I travel overseas, I bring a cheaper Samsung Galaxy 12 with me and buy a local SIM card. The phone costs around $155 in the US, which is way below the $500 threshold you mentioned. I also upload WhatsApp so people in the US can contact me. If something happens to the phone, it's no big deal especially as I don't have any confidential information on it.
JonesLover
04-15-23, 19:22
Hello, I know the Filippines but not Indonesia. I sometimes wonder the difference between an Indonesian and a Filipina girl. I don't mean pros, just regular girls. It's easier to meet and stay for a few days with an Indonesian or Filipina. I certainly hope that those who know both countries well will answer me. I'm really curious about it, though in general.
Tommy Suharto
05-24-23, 08:50
Anyone that can help me with some info on flying the GF into Australia? On a tourist visa.
It's getting cold here. I only want her here for 2 weeks.
I understand I have to write her a sponsor letter (how applicable) and that she has to apply for a tourist visa in Jakarta (she already has a passport).
But where? The Australian embassy? Or AVAC? Where is that. And is it current? I googled it, but it shows up on 2 different addresses.
TIA.
Nuttin Serious
05-24-23, 11:57
July, last year, when arriving at Jakarta airport I had to register my IMEI numbers and the values of my mobile phones. The officer of customs told me I had to pay tax for the one that was worth more than 500 dollars.
Is that ridiculous measure still valid? If so, we might expect the same shti for watches, laptops and so on in the near future.
And how did you deal with the mobile phone issue?I didn't have to do anything of the sort when I went in October last year. No questions about phones, numbers or values.
Anyone that can help me with some info on flying the GF into Australia? On a tourist visa.
It's getting cold here. I only want her here for 2 weeks.
I understand I have to write her a sponsor letter (how applicable) and that she has to apply for a tourist visa in Jakarta (she already has a passport).
But where? The Australian embassy? Or AVAC? Where is that. And is it current? I googled it, but it shows up on 2 different addresses.
TIA.I used: https://online.immi.gov.au/lusc/login to get my filipina GF a visa for Australia. It was quite easy. I filled it in myself.
I didn't have to do anything of the sort when I went in October last year. No questions about phones, numbers or values.Just found this: The rules have slightly changed, foreigners can use their phone for a period of 90 days without registering!
Offshore Swell
05-25-23, 09:51
Anyone that can help me with some info on flying the GF into Australia? On a tourist visa.
It's getting cold here. I only want her here for 2 weeks.
I understand I have to write her a sponsor letter (how applicable) and that she has to apply for a tourist visa in Jakarta (she already has a passport).
But where? The Australian embassy? Or AVAC? Where is that. And is it current? I googled it, but it shows up on 2 different addresses.
TIA.VFS global in Kuningan handle Australian visa applications. They are real pricks. She needs to have good evidence she has reason to return to Indonesia IE children, job, money in the bank. Prevous travel history always helps esp Schengen, UK or US. The Indonesian staffers at the Australian embassy can be pretty brutal in rejecting applications. Good luck.
Tommy Suharto
05-26-23, 04:48
VFS global in Kuningan handle Australian visa applications. They are real pricks. She needs to have good evidence she has reason to return to Indonesia IE children, job, money in the bank. Prevous travel history always helps esp Schengen, UK or US. The Indonesian staffers at the Australian embassy can be pretty brutal in rejecting applications. Good luck.Thank you OS. I kind of get the same vibe by reading the review comments about VFS on Google Maps. "Indonesia maju". But maybe not today.
I used: https://online.immi.gov.au/lusc/login to get my filipina GF a visa for Australia. It was quite easy. I filled it in myself.So doing it online, yourself, would be the better option? And I do the visa application for her, in her name, here in Oz? I doubt she could do it herself, I didn't select her on her academic achievements.
Nuttin Serious
05-26-23, 10:00
Just found this: The rules have slightly changed, foreigners can use their phone for a period of 90 days without registering!I'm going back in a couple of weeks, will advise of any changes.
Yes, in October 2022 no questions asked, roaming worked seamlessly, as did vpn, and gojek also worked, I registered it before I reached Jakarta. But I don't think Gojek will work this time, it seems to only want to accept indo phone numbers.
Thank you OS. I kind of get the same vibe by reading the review comments about VFS on Google Maps. "Indonesia maju". But maybe not today.
So doing it online, yourself, would be the better option? And I do the visa application for her, in her name, here in Oz? I doubt she could do it herself, I didn't select her on her academic achievements.Yes to both your questions.
Do you think, its a good idea to go to Indonesia in January, during the rainy season? Do have girls in Jakarta as usual, and it's possible to surf at Bali?
I can't go before, and after, there are the general election, and I am not sure it will be a good time for mongering.
Do you think, its a good idea to go to Indonesia in January, during the rainy season? Do have girls in Jakarta as usual, and it's possible to surf at Bali?
I can't go before, and after, there are the general election, and I am not sure it will be a good time for mongering.Jakarta is a huge city, it's the business centre of Indonesia, the Greater Jakarta population is something between 20 and 30 million people. They live and work in the city, it's not a seasonal resort, there will be as many women in Jakarta in the rainy season as during the hot season. The only difficulty might be flooding, which is a localized problem that can pretty much happen at any time in the months from September to April, at worst it might screw up your travel plans for one evening and you'll have to fall back on an alternative plan somewhere else.
The election will have no effect on mongering. Jakarta people have got to eat, just like everyone else.
Mighty Spearsman
07-24-23, 21:58
Do you think it's a good idea to go to Indonesia in January, during the rainy season? Do have girls in Jakarta as usual, and it's possible to surf at Bali?
I can't go before, and after, there is the general election, and I am not sure it will be a good time for mongering.
Jakarta is a huge city, it's the business center of Indonesia, the Greater Jakarta population is something between 20 and 30 million people. They live and work in the city, it's not a seasonal resort, there will be as many women in Jakarta in the rainy season as during the hot season. The only difficulty might be flooding, which is a localized problem that can pretty much happen at any time in the months from September to April, at worst it might screw up your travel plans for one evening and you'll have to fall back on an alternative plan somewhere else.
The election will have no effect on mongering. Jakarta people have got to eat, just like everyone else.Hilo77's advice is correct. There's never a bad time to monger in Jakarta, except for the fasting month of Ramadan, which begins around March 10 in 2024, so you should be good to go if you visit in January.
Parasitius
08-03-23, 15:24
July, last year, when arriving at Jakarta airport I had to register my IMEI numbers and the values of my mobile phones. The officer of customs told me I had to pay tax for the one that was worth more than 500 dollars.
Is that ridiculous measure still valid? If so, we might expect the same shti for watches, laptops and so on in the near future.
And how did you deal with the mobile phone issue?I wonder if it is about to get a lot worse based on the customs declaration I had to fill out yesterday. However, it does seem the <90 days are exempted. What happens if you bounce in and out too much? What happens if you get an extendable visa for short-term education and stay 120 days?
The application wanted all laptops, tablets, phones, and even headphones and their respective IMEI number. And that makes NO SENSE whatsoever. An IMEI is a cellular network communications number, my airpods and 2 laptops sure as shit don't have those.
Hi team,
Somewhat of a late bloomer and new to the monger world.
Late 30's guy from Australia looking to travel SE Asia mainly for paid sex.
I've been told I'm attractive with good skin, decent body, etc.
Problem is with Australia's rapidly growing Indian population I get mistaken for Indian all the time.
Is Indonesia a safe bet or what about Thailand or Filo in this regard?
Likely travel to Thailand at some point too.
Would also like to try some Indians and heard Mumbai is good for this (OT so will leave that for the other forum).
Thank you!!
Banana Boi
08-13-23, 21:07
Problem is with Australia's rapidly growing Indian population I get mistaken for Indian all the time.I'm guessing your question has more to do with acceptability of guys who look Indian more than actual hobby hotspots? I'm not Indian nor will I ever be mistaken as one but I'm guessing Phnom Penh should be first choice, then PI/Jakarta, Thailand/Vietnam, then Korea/Japan. Pre-COVID I would have said Kuala Lumpur. If you're light skinned, young, fit, attractive as you say, and don't ravel in a wolfpack you're not going to have issues anywhere.
Irish Mongrel
08-13-23, 23:15
Hi team,
Somewhat of a late bloomer and new to the monger world.
Late 30's guy from Australia looking to travel SE Asia mainly for paid sex.
I've been told I'm attractive with good skin, decent body, etc.
Problem is with Australia's rapidly growing Indian population I get mistaken for Indian all the time.
Is Indonesia a safe bet or what about Thailand or Filo in this regard?
Likely travel to Thailand at some point too.
Would also like to try some Indians and heard Mumbai is good for this (OT so will leave that for the other forum).
Thank you!!Mate, I would say it is more how you hold yourself than anything else. I have good Indian friends who have had plenty of fun in Jakarta. Can't say anything about the lower end side of town but in the higher end bars and clubs you are just one more guy with a pocket full of personality that the girls will want to know.
However, it does seem the <90 days are exempted. Presuming you will not use an Indonesian sim card.
WestCoast1
09-03-23, 10:31
From today's news:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesia-offers-golden-visa-entice-foreign-investors-2023-09-03/
Jakarta (Reuters) - Indonesia is introducing a golden visa scheme to attract foreign individual and corporate investors in an attempt to boost its national economy, a statement from the ministry of law and human rights distributed on Sunday said.
"The golden visa is granting a residence permit for an extended period of five to 10 years," director general of immigration, Silmy Karim said in the statement.
The five-year visa requires individual investors to set up a company worth $2. 5 million, while for the 10 years visa, a $5 million investment is required.
SNIP..
Meanwhile, corporate investors are required to invest $25 million to get five-year visas for directors and commissioners. They need to invest double, or $50 million, to gain a 10 year visa.
Different provisions apply to individual foreign investors who do not want to establish a company in the Southeast Asian country. The requirements range from $350,000 to $700,000 in funds that can be used to purchase the Indonesian government bonds.
Pocket change.
Offshore Swell
09-03-23, 22:53
From today's news:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indonesia-offers-golden-visa-entice-foreign-investors-2023-09-03/
Jakarta (Reuters) - Indonesia is introducing a golden visa scheme to attract foreign individual and corporate investors in an attempt to boost its national economy, a statement from the ministry of law and human rights distributed on Sunday said.
"The golden visa is granting a residence permit for an extended period of five to 10 years," director general of immigration, Silmy Karim said in the statement.
The five-year visa requires individual investors to set up a company worth $2. 5 million, while for the 10 years visa, a $5 million investment is required.
SNIP..
Meanwhile, corporate investors are required to invest $25 million to get five-year visas for directors and commissioners. They need to invest double, or $50 million, to gain a 10 year visa.
Different provisions apply to individual foreign investors who do not want to establish a company in the Southeast Asian country. The requirements range from $350,000 to $700,000 in funds that can be used to purchase the Indonesian government bonds.
Pocket change.An investor with $5 M US with no real investment strategy other than a desire to live in Indonesia forever. What could possibly go wrong?
OS thinks probably smarter to find one of the thousands of Janda's that just want a husband that treats them nicely, doesn't drink and beat them, gives them a small allowance each month and provides a home and a motorcycle. You wouldn't even need to live with her. Just give her a signed portrait of yourself to put on the wall for the neighbours to see and bingo!. That can probably be all achieved for USD $50 K. Then you get a KITAS convertible to KITAP after 2 years and permanence after a few more years even if your janda has woken up to your philandering ways and punted you. Minus the motorcycle of course.
An investor with $5 M US with no real investment strategy other than a desire to live in Indonesia forever. What could possibly go wrong?
OS thinks probably smarter to find one of the thousands of Janda's that just want a husband that treats them nicely, doesn't drink and beat them, gives them a small allowance each month and provides a home and a motorcycle. You wouldn't even need to live with her. Just give her a signed portrait of yourself to put on the wall for the neighbours to see and bingo!. That can probably be all achieved for USD $50 K. Then you get a KITAS convertible to KITAP after 2 years and permanence after a few more years even if your janda has woken up to your philandering ways and punted you. Minus the motorcycle of course.It appears to me Indonesia is always a day late and Dollar short. Meaning, Thailand and Malaysia introduced new Visa progams some time ago. Thailand's program was a success and they are now planning to raise the bar to obtain the long term Visa. Malaysia's program is the Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H). The MM2H was big hit with Expats. However, last year the Government revised the requirements. One of the new requirements is USD 10,000 in monthly income. Not surprisingly, the MM2H Applications have falled to an all time low. The rumour is the MM2H will be revised again based on complaints and criticism from Malaysian Real Estate Associations (one of the requirements is to invest in property worth MYR 1 Million).
OS, you bring up a good point about Janda's. I assume you have to "Register" the marriage and obtain a formal certificate to apply for the KITAS?
~BKKguru
Offshore Swell
09-05-23, 10:19
It appears to me Indonesia is always a day late and Dollar short. Meaning, Thailand and Malaysia introduced new Visa progams some time ago. Thailand's program was a success and they are now planning to raise the bar to obtain the long term Visa. Malaysia's program is the Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H). The MM2H was big hit with Expats. However, last year the Government revised the requirements. One of the new requirements is USD 10,000 in monthly income. Not surprisingly, the MM2H Applications have falled to an all time low. The rumour is the MM2H will be revised again based on complaints and criticism from Malaysian Real Estate Associations (one of the requirements is to invest in property worth MYR 1 Million).
OS, you bring up a good point about Janda's. I assume you have to "Register" the marriage and obtain a formal certificate to apply for the KITAS?
~BKKguruCorrect! You would need to be able to marry. Theres a whole range of info on the subject online but a certificate of no impediment to marriage from your embassy or the equivalent from a certain street in Manila.
Who would have guessed?
Sam Altman (Co-Founder & CEO, ChatGPT) is the first to get the Indonesian Golden Visa!
I had no idea Sam was into Indo girls. Don't be surprised if you see Sam in Classic or Emporium! LOL!!
On a serious note, it appears the Indonesian Government gifted the Golden Visa to Sam to create a marketing buzz. Details pasted below.
Jakarta (Bloomberg):
OpenAI Chief Executive Officer Sam Altman (pic) is the first person to get an Indonesian golden visa as South-east Asia's largest economy seeks to draw foreign investors.
The country's immigration authority issued a 10-year visa for Altman as he "has an international reputation and may bring benefits to Indonesia," said Immigration Director General Silmy Karim in a statement.
The co-founder of the ChatGPT creator would enjoy priority security screening at airports, longer stay periods and easier entry and exit processes, among other perks.
Introduced last week to boost economic development, the new visa allows foreigners who make substantial investments in the country to remain for between five and 10 years.
For example, an individual who invests US $350,000 into shares of local public companies, savings accounts or government bonds is eligible for a five-year stay.
It was not immediately known whether Altman, who visited Jakarta in June to speak on artificial intelligence, applied for the visa or has plans to invest in Indonesia.
Since their debut last year, OpenAI's tools have spurred a rush of investment into AI-supporting infrastructure by showcasing the potential of human-like intelligence using vast data centers.
Do you use your left hand with the girls?
The left hand is considered like "unclean" because it's use for toilet. And when I interact with Indonesian I don't use this hand.
But with the girls, my brain disconnect, and I don't care about that, but this year, I will try to have a real girlfriend, and keep her.
What are your experiences about that?
Hello,
I am new to the Indonesia forum, but not new to ISG. I travel to Taiwan, China and Thailand frequently for work. However, I recently got a new client in Indonesia in the area around Gorontalo. I was hoping to get some advice.
1. is there any FUN to be had around the Gorontalo area?
2. From my understanding there is a NO sex law in affect in Indonesia for unmarried people. How enforced is this?
Thank you everyone!
Hello,
2. From my understanding there is a NO sex law in affect in Indonesia for unmarried people. How enforced is this?
Thank you everyone!The law is not yet in effect. It's also not that bad due to 2 facts:
1. it stipulates, that it is only a crime if a family member if filing a complaint at a court. Only at that time the police will investigate the incident. Catching unmarried people in the act on part of the police is not grounds for prosecution. Ironically that means sleeping with girls that you know from work or in your circle of friends is more risky than paying a prostitute (the latter doesn't know your identity and the parents don't know you).
2. it's Indonesia. A lot of laws are enforced very flexibly. Except capital crimes such as homicide or drug trade. Generally laws against "social disturbances" are more strictly enforced in provincial small towns. And paying bribes to prosecutors is depressingly common, if you can afford it. A poor girl can't pay a 10 million bribe to walk free. That 5 times her monthly income. A business man from Bandung can. That's 10% of monthly income.
Offshore Swell
01-18-24, 09:07
Do you use your left hand with the girls?
The left hand is considered like "unclean" because it's use for toilet. And when I interact with Indonesian I don't use this hand.
But with the girls, my brain disconnect, and I don't care about that, but this year, I will try to have a real girlfriend, and keep her.
What are your experiences about that?Perfect then to use your left hand then to loosen up her backdoor.
I'm considering moving to Jakarta for a year or so. Due to my age, I will need a good health insurance. A travel insurance will cost me 400 euros a month. So maybe you residents can tell me how much you pay for one person so I will be able to decide which one (travel or local one) to choose. I'll need a price and no link to Cigna or AXA etc. My age: 77 years. Thanks.
Exoticspirit
06-18-24, 21:46
How's the food around the Classic Hotel area especially in regards to local cuisine?
Banana Boi
06-19-24, 04:21
How's the food around the Classic Hotel area especially in regards to local cuisine?Some local restaurants and lots of food stalls along Percenogan if you want Indo cuisine. If you want Western Jonisteak a few doors down from Classic is your best bet. There's a Domino's Pizza across the street from Classic. There's Holycow! Nearby if you want a pretty decent steak for pretty cheap. Most nearby restaurants except Jonisteak close at 10 pm.
Exoticspirit
06-19-24, 19:46
There is a transit station called Sawar Besar near Classic Hotel. Does any know if the train from this station can get me to the Kota Tua and Chinatown areas a bit north as well as the National Monument to the south? I figure these are the prime areas I'll have time to check out during the full day I'm in the city.
For my partial day near the airport, I thought that I would check out Pik2 - probably need to get a Grab.
Hung Man 1808
06-19-24, 20:53
There is a transit station called Sawar Besar near Classic Hotel. Does any know if the train from this station can get me to the Kota Tua and Chinatown areas a bit north as well as the National Monument to the south? I figure these are the prime areas I'll have time to check out during the full day I'm in the city.
For my partial day near the airport, I thought that I would check out Pik2 - probably need to get a Grab.Ya Mister.
You can follow the train line on there and pick out the stations. The one name Kota Tua might be a dead giveaway for one destination, the Gambir one a few stops south is the Monas one. And also the main station for catching trains to Bandung etc. Which is my only experience with trains in Jakarta apart from the MRT up and down Surdiman / Fatmawati. Local trains might be an adventure. Or not.
P.S. You might want to consider what is close to the Mangga Besar station. And the locations of pretty much all the places mentioned in the Jakarta thread (on googlemaps) for walking distance from said train line. Also contemplate what 'walking distance' is to you, and over what. Short walks in Jakarta can resemble obstacle courses on Marine training grounds, complete with friendly fire courtesy of the maniac bikes.
Exoticspirit
06-19-24, 21:12
Which is my only experience with trains in Jakarta apart from the MRT up and down Surdiman / Fatmawati. Local trains might be an adventure. Or not.Thanks so much for your input. I guess the MRT line is nowhere near Classic Hotel right? So if I'm staying at Classic Hotel, there's probably no reason for me to even use the MRT given that the Sawar Besar station train goes right up to Kota Tua and to Monas depending on direction unless there are other interesting attractions that are worthwhile for me to get to with the MRT and if I have enough time there. Shame since I see the MRT is actually quite nice there.
Hung Man 1808
06-19-24, 22:28
I guess the MRT line is nowhere near Classic Hotel right? No.
BTW getting a Grab as compared to all of this will likely be a) quicker and b) easier. Maybe even cheaper after sorting out how to pay for the train, and getting to the trains. See previous comment about walking around.
No.
BTW getting a Grab as compared to all of this will likely be a) quicker and b) easier. Maybe even cheaper after sorting out how to pay for the train, and getting to the trains. See previous comment about walking around.Use this app called Gojek to order a motorcycle taxi and pay cash option. It is the cheapest and easiest way to get there.
Exoticspirit
06-20-24, 00:34
No.
BTW getting a Grab as compared to all of this will likely be a) quicker and b) easier. Maybe even cheaper after sorting out how to pay for the train, and getting to the trains. See previous comment about walking around.Yes you are probably right at least with a Grab motorbike. I can't see a Grab car being able to move around that fast in that type of city traffic. Thanks for the idea as an alternative to public transit.
Yes you are probably right at least with a Grab motorbike. I can't see a Grab car being able to move around that fast in that type of city traffic. Thanks for the idea as an alternative to public transit.
Ya Mister.
You can follow the train line on there and pick out the stations. <SNIP>
Short walks in Jakarta can resemble obstacle courses on Marine training grounds, complete with friendly fire courtesy of the maniac bikes.Grab or Gojek Motorbike is a good option for short distances:
(a) If it is not raining.
(b) You are willing to wear the Helmet supplied by the driver.
As to walking, don't bother in North Jakarta.
It is an obstacle course with broken pavement/sidewalks and potholes.
To add to the fun you have vendors with open kiosks who blow cigarette smoke like chimneys.
To make it more exciting, you have to keep looking backwards to check if any scooter or bikes are coming your way on the so called sidewalk.
~BKK
Unlike many of you guys on this side I am in central Java. There isn't a whole lot of recent information about where to go and who to see so I tried out twitter. There are tons of ladies advertising and almost all of them ask for DP (aka deposit). This is a pain in the ass because western folks don't use the same money transfer apps that are typical here in Indo. More importantly in my home country sending a "deposit" is the same as lighting your money on fire. Even when I do find the rare "cash on delivery". They wait for you to get to the hotel then hit you with the "carry fee" to be transfered at alfamaret or Indomaret. Anyone have any experience with twitter woman? I see there are these paid promote sites that these woman use to legitimate their ads but that's like saying I'm certified legit by backpage. Is the DP thing the same scam it is back in the US? It sure would suck to go all the way back to Jakarta just for one night at classic.
I'm out in central Java. There isn't a whole lot of recent info about meeting working ladies so I have been trying twitter to no avail. There are tons of ladies advertising but most want a deposit before they give you the location. Back home only dumb- dumbs fall for this. Is this the same scam? Even the few women who said no deposit hit me up with a "carry fee" when I got to the hotel lobby. In each instance I texted them hells to the naw and bounced. Are deposits the same scam in Indo that they are back home?
I'm out in central Java. There isn't a whole lot of recent info about meeting working ladies so I have been trying twitter to no avail. There are tons of ladies advertising but most want a deposit before they give you the location. Back home only dumb- dumbs fall for this. Is this the same scam? Even the few women who said no deposit hit me up with a "carry fee" when I got to the hotel lobby. In each instance I texted them hells to the naw and bounced. Are deposits the same scam in Indo that they are back home?
There is no up to date info about the scene in central Java. I have been trying twitter but every lady on Twitter wants a deposit. Back home deposits are a scam. Does anyone know if this is generally the case in Indo?
Hello Gents,
I am flying into CGK airport in a few days. Anyone fly in recently and can comment on their expereince with Immigration, Customs, Visa on Arrival, blah, blah, blah?
I hearing many stories about because of cyber attack on immigration, there are maybe long lines for foreigners to come to Jakarta airport.
Thanks and appreciate.
Hello Gents,
I am flying into CGK airport in a few days. Anyone fly in recently and can comment on their expereince with Immigration, Customs, Visa on Arrival, blah, blah, blah?
I hearing many stories about because of cyber attack on immigration, there are maybe long lines for foreigners to come to Jakarta airport.
Thanks and appreciate.Depending on how many flights arrive at the same time, you may see a line for the Visa payment.
However, if there are two staff at the counter, the line moves fairly quickly.
I always bring Cash to pay for the Visa. Don't depend on the ATM machine near the payment counter.
The Hackers picked the wrong country. The Indonesian Government has refused to pay any Ransom.
Indonesia's Data Governance/Strategy is a total mess. After the attack, it was revealed the Data was NOT being backed up. LOL!
~BKK
Is this a risk when flying in or going places in Indonesia? How do you guys go about hiding volumes of personal porn stuff, apart from uploading it into the cloud?
Is this a risk when flying in or going places in Indonesia? How do you guys go about hiding volumes of personal porn stuff, apart from uploading it into the cloud?I normally enter indo with 3 phones and a tablet and never had a problem. I've never been stopped going through customs though.
I'll add when purchasing a SIM card they take your passport and your phones iemi number. I don't think you can use the sim in a different phone. So I think big brother is able to monitor if you attempt to access blocked sites for example ISG (this could just be my vivid imagination).
I normally enter indo with 3 phones and a tablet and never had a problem. I've never been stopped going through customs though.
I'll add when purchasing a SIM card they take your passport and your phones iemi number. I don't think you can use the sim in a different phone. So I think big brother is able to monitor if you attempt to access blocked sites for example ISG (this could just be my vivid imagination).They take your IEMI number? So any time they can kill your smartphone if they want to.
I guess if you use a VPN they can't find out what site you visit, regarless of the IEMI. I could be wrong though.
They take your IEMI number? So any time they can kill your smartphone if they want to.
I guess if you use a VPN they can't find out what site you visit, regarless of the IEMI. I could be wrong though.The IMEI stuff is apparently only for stays over 90 days. IMEI is not something your phone would provide while surfing the net, VPN or not, so not sure what Indonesia wants the IMEI number for really. They'd have to contact the telecom company to get it from them.
Anyway, I don't worry much about it myself, but ISG is indeed blocked, at least via the hotel wifi.
There were around 200 people in line when I arrived this evening, queueing up to fill out the visa on arrival form, so I definitely recommend doing that online a few days before you arrive. That and some electronic customs form I only found out on the airplane when landing. Fortunately I had purchased a roaming data package from True in Thailand before hand, so I could fill out that form too on my phone while the plane was taxing into arrivals.
After that, I breezed through both immigration and customs, rather than having to queue with the other 200 people.
Possibly this is the https://kemlu.go.id/noumea/en/pages/deklarasi_bea_cukai_secara_elektronik/1494/about-service customs decleration form, but I'm not sure, as I just googled now.
The IMEI stuff is apparently only for stays over 90 days. IMEI is not something your phone would provide while surfing the net, VPN or no.They do require IMEI numbers for all devices when staying long term. But I think when registering the SIM card the shop will provide the IMEI numbers from your phone. Therefore it won't function in a different phone. That's my understanding anyway.
I arrived at my hotel (redtop) yesterday evening, I'd contacted Superlove's papasan friend David via WhatApp a few hours before to ask if he was working, and to tell him I'd be coming by later. He met me at the reception inside on the first floor, the "spa" floor. Note that there are two options, the club floor (fifth floor, pay 150,000 to enter), or the spa floor (no entrance fee). Make sure you go to the right one.
David explained things to me and was a friendly guy and easy to talk too, so I'd recommend contacting Superlove and asking for David's contract info, as it made things easier and friendlier as a first-timer. I give him a tip after my session also, which will hopefully keep things going smooth for Superlove's future friends too.
I arrived there around 10 pm, and there weren't as many girls as I'd expect. Around 20 I guess. I'll say they were all ok looking though. Probably all of them were 7 or up, and around 20-25 years old I'd guess. I immediately noticed one girl in particular though. The girls are divided in two sections. Section on the left hand side for girls priced at 1,433,000, and section on the right hand side for girls priced 200,000 lower, at 1,233,000. Girl I liked was on the left hand side, together with 3-4 other girls.
David asked me if I wanted the girls to stand up and introduce themselves, but I declined, prefering to just sit and look a bit, trying to catch the eye of that one girl to see her reaction, as well as look more closely at the other girls. In the meantime another guy (Asian) entered, and he apparently asked for a line-up, so the girls came forward, and each one said her name. The other guy thankfully chose some other girl, as because he asked for the lineup, I now had to let him chose first.
I'd been talking with David in the meantime, and he gave me the run-down: optional free 30 minutes in the hot pool with the girl (I chose this, mainly as I felt like relaxing in pool for a bit, but I later realised it was a good idea for another reason too), followed by 90 minutes in the room with massage and sex. Sex is one time, but you can negotiate with the girl about BJ or HJ and pay her extra for that. He was somewhat concerned about my choice of girl, as she had just been working there for a week or two, and he was not sure about service with her. I liked what I saw however, including her reaction when I tried catching her eye, so thought I'd take the chance.
David next asked the girl to come down from the podium to us, and we exchanged a few words. She spook enough English for me to test the waters a bit, and as she sat down next to me we talked a little while David politely stepped aside to give us privacy. After a minute of two of chit-chat, including the girl telling me how long she'd worked there, I still liked her reactions, so told David I'd like to choose this girl and would like to go to the pool first. David explained this to the girl, and she led me of to the changing rooms. I got to say, this did give me a bit of "roman empire" feeling, and was a first time for me. Girl was sweet and gave a good girl friend feeling.
By the changing rooms I was provided with a shorts to use for the pool. Also take a kimono for yourself after changing. Then lock your stuff in the locker using the bracelet they give you.
Next I went to the pool. Which was a nice setup with a big warm pool, and two smaller pools inside the big one: one small hot, and one small cold. The girl joined me shortly thereafter in a bikini, sat herself down on the edge of the pool, draping her legs around my shoulders, put two towels on my shoulders and started to gently massage my shoulders and neck. After spending the whole day traveling from Thailand, it was a very pleasant experience to relax in a nice, quiet and empty pool, with a pretty girl. Staff were milling around however, so not exactly private, and at one point a herd of working girls appeared outside the pool for some reason. After 5-10 minutes of that, I invited the girl to come down into the pool with me, and she sat down on my lap.
We continued exchanging pleasantries while chit-chatting with her on my lap in the pool for a while. I think this was a good idea, as it also let her warm up a bit to me. While she fucks you because you pay her, in my limited experience, the session is much nicer if you are a normal, well-mannered guy, who at least gives the girl a chance to not be completely repulsed by you. It also obviously avoids the shit show of a disaster recently suffered by a brother at Classic.
Girl did not speak much English, but coming from Thailand I'm used to talking slow and simple, so it was ok, and we could have a small simple conversation. By this time I was starting to sweat quite a bit, so suggested to the girl that we go to the room. I took a quick dip in the cold water pool to cool off, showered and changed to another pair of shorts, and then met the girl outside the shower area. She then led me to the room, passed a reception where you can chose a smaller or bigger, and presumably more expensive, room.
We chose the smaller room, which was perfectly fine. It had a big shower, a big enough bed, and a large mirror next to the bed. I took of my clothes, lay down on the bed, and the girl did the same.
I saw the girl had condoms, and was curious about whether condoms would be required or not. After laying down next to me, the girl proceeded to suck my dick for a bit, before I pulled her on top of me. Next followed what I can only describe as a very good GFE, where I fucked her like a GF, twice.
Girl asked me if I wanted to kiss during this, but I said I would not force her. After the first round, we did kiss a bit however, DFK too, but I didn't push it much. I'm not sure if she was not to keen on kissing due to our customer /'ho relation, or perhaps because DFK is, like in Thailand, not really part of the custom amongst normal couples either, and she just did it to give good service. Anyway, it's not important to me, and normally I don't have much interest in kissing working girls myself either, but she provided a really good GFE experience as said, which this time made me want to do it.
This GFE experience lasted to the very end, where I told her it was time for me to pack up so I could wake up in time for work in the morning. I guess we'd been in the room for about an hour then, perhaps a bit more. She then showed her non-GFE side by asking me if I wanted to give her her tip as a coupon, or cash, as we were getting ready to leave the room. The former seems to entail you ticking of the desired amount on a slip of paper she got from reception, listing the alternatives (if I recall correctly), 100,000, 200,000, 500,000 or 1,000,000. Presumably she then gets that money, or a cut of it, from management at some later point.
Girl then walked with me back to the locker rooms, where I took out my stuff and handed her her tip. David was by the exit waiting for me to pay the price as agreed for this girl (1. 4 M), and I also gave David a tip there.
I'd rate this experience, both the girl and place, as top notch, and the girl as one of the prettiest p4 p girl I've banged. She was also very sweet and GF-like the whole time, and I'm thinking I'm going to marry her next.
Well, not exactly, but I have three more days here, and possibly I'll chose her again on of those times. I'm not sure if I'll go back later tonight again, as the experience was so good, or try the lower class and cheaper classic, which I think is also just around the corner. Repeating a very good experience with a different girl, or checking out a different place and getting a different experience?
I'm not really sure about the customs, so hoping more experienced brothers will correct me if I was wrong, but I chose to give the girl a tip of 500,000 in cash, which she said was ok. I based this on David's explanation that sex was one time, but could talk with girl and pay extra for HJ or BJ, but I'd fucked her like a GF twice already, so I'm thinking a roughly 33% tip would at least not be too much, but based on the girls reaction perhaps 1 M would mark me as a more generous man? Anyway, interested in hearing what more experienced brothers think, as I don't want to be neither overly generous nor too much of a cheapskate.
Regarding location: I stay at Redtop hotel, which is just a two minute walk away, so as far as bringing girls back from Emporivm, I'm not sure what difference it can make if you stay here or in Luminor (sp?) hotel somebody mentioned would be better as it's just across the street, but I've not tried bringing any girl back here. So maybe there is some other reason. Redtop does require you to pass through a manned metal detector to enter however, so you cannot simply walk in with a girl without saying anything.
I arrived at my hotel (redtop) yesterday evening, I'd contacted Superlove's papasan friend David via WhatApp a few hours before to ask if he was working, and to tell him I'd be coming by later. He met me at the reception inside on the first floor, the "spa" floor. Note that there are two options, the club floor (fifth floor, pay 150,000 to enter), or the spa floor (no entrance fee). Make sure you go to the right one.
David explained things to me and was a friendly guy and easy to talk too, so I'd recommend contacting Superlove and asking for David's contract info, as it made things easier and friendlier as a first-timer. I give him a tip after my session also, which will hopefully keep things going smooth for Superlove's future friends too.
I arrived there around 10 pm, and there weren't as many girls as I'd expect. Around 20 I guess. I'll say they were all ok looking though. Probably all of them were 7 or up, and ……
Outstanding report! I will be arriving in Jakarta next week. I will def PM SL. Thanks!
MikeTheBull
10-11-24, 00:00
I arrived at my hotel (redtop) yesterday evening, I'd contacted Superlove's papasan friend David via WhatApp a few hours before to ask if he was working, and to tell him I'd be coming by later. He met me at the reception inside on the first floor, the "spa" floor. Note that there are two options, the club floor (fifth floor, pay 150,000 to enter), or the spa floor (no entrance fee). Make sure you go to the right one.
David explained things to me and was a friendly guy and easy to talk too, so I'd recommend contacting Superlove and asking for David's contract info, as it made things easier and friendlier as a first-timer. I give him a tip after my session also, which will hopefully keep things going smooth for Superlove's future friends too.
Great report for a newbie to Jakarta!
Great report for a newbie to Jakarta!Yes David, I'm sure it is. For you at least.
The IMEI stuff is apparently only for stays over 90 days. IMEI is not something your phone would provide while surfing the net, VPN or not, so not sure what Indonesia wants the IMEI number for really. They'd have to contact the telecom company to get it from them.
Anyway, I don't worry much about it myself, but ISG is indeed blocked, at least via the hotel wifi.
There were around 200 people in line when I arrived this evening, queueing up to fill out the visa on arrival form, so I definitely recommend doing that online a few days before you arrive. That and some electronic customs form I only found out on the airplane when landing. Fortunately I had purchased a roaming data package from True in Thailand before hand, so I could fill out that form too on my phone while the plane was taxing into arrivals.
After that, I breezed through both immigration and customs, rather than having to queue with the other 200 people..Can you elaborate more on the online electronic customs form you filled out while the plane was taxing? Do you have any links for that?
I am aware of the electronic visa you have to apply for about a week beforehand. Back in August or September someone posted links on here in the Jakarta section for the visa and it costs like $30 or something.
Thanks in advance.
Gabacho.
I popped into kimia pharmacy asking about Cialis.
28 x 5 mg1. 2 M.
2 x 20 MG 500 k.
They told me that you cannot buy generic brands in Indonesia as it is still patented. Is this correct? I don't need as I have enough but was interested in the pricing here.
LoveItHere69
10-12-24, 07:55
I popped into kimia pharmacy asking about Cialis.
28 x 5 mg1. 2 M.
2 x 20 MG 500 k.
They told me that you cannot buy generic brands in Indonesia as it is still patented. Is this correct? I don't need as I have enough but was interested in the pricing here.I have tried to buy different sorts of drugs in Jakarta. Many times they say that XYZ drug is not available here when I asked doctors and pharmacists. Drugs that are common in all the other countries I have visited. Buy whatever you need before you come or as soon as you land in another country. The drug situation here I find scary when I can not get what I consider as simple as buying aspirin. They lie and they do not know. Scary!
Patent end dates:
2018 Cialis (tadalafil).
2020 Viagra (sildenafil).
2025 Stendra (Avanafil).
2027 Levitra (Vardenafil).
Apparently it is possible to open a bank account in Bali as a tourist, ie without a long-term visa. Having a local bank account with a local ATM card is a major enabler for mongering, providing withdrawal fees are non existent or very low.
https://www.3ecpa.co.id/blog/opening-a-bank-account-in-bali/
Whether a bank account in Bali is usable from Jakarta without added fees is another question.
Rocketeer666
10-15-24, 08:26
Apparently it is possible to open a bank account in Bali as a tourist, ie without a long-term visa. Having a local bank account with a local ATM card is a major enabler for mongering, providing withdrawal fees are non existent or very low.
https://www.3ecpa.co.id/blog/opening-a-bank-account-in-bali/
Whether a bank account in Bali is usable from Jakarta without added fees is another question.Thats supreme information thanks!!
Exoticspirit
10-16-24, 18:59
I'm going to apply for evisa for my upcoming trip to Indonesia. Does anyone know if I have to bring physical copies of my photograph in addition to the evisa document to the immigration officials at the airport?
SinghaChang
10-17-24, 06:01
There's a new QR form that needs to be filled out at the airport.
https://sshp.kemkes.go.id
Nuttin Serious
10-22-24, 04:38
I'm going to apply for evisa for my upcoming trip to Indonesia. Does anyone know if I have to bring physical copies of my photograph in addition to the evisa document to the immigration officials at the airport?Nope. If you do evisa online prior then you can even use the electronic entre gates at immigration. Easy as.
2. Before you fly, go online and do customs online. You can do up to 2 days prior to arrival. You will get QR code, it will be scan by customs official after you collect bags from conveyor. Also very easy.
3. Alao online, do health check as mentioned in this thread. Need to know seat number on flight, so have to check in first. Again you get QR code. Maybe they ask for it, maybe not.
4. Depending on arrival terminal, ATM in arrivals may not have any cash. Go upstairs to deptartures, use ATM there.
5. Use grab or bluebird taxi if new to country. Both have Apps. Can get sim card in arrivals area.
Hope this helps.
Nope. If you do evisa online prior then you can even use the electronic entre gates at immigration. Easy as.
....I assume they still stamp your passport.
Exoticspirit
10-22-24, 15:39
Nope. If you do evisa online prior then you can even use the electronic entre gates at immigration. Easy as.
2. Before you fly, go online and do customs online. You can do up to 2 days prior to arrival. You will get QR code, it will be scan by customs official after you collect bags from conveyor. Also very easy.
3. Alao online, do health check as mentioned in this thread. Need to know seat number on flight, so have to check in first. Again you get QR code. Maybe they ask for it, maybe not.
4. Depending on arrival terminal, ATM in arrivals may not have any cash. Go upstairs to deptartures, use ATM there.
5. Use grab or bluebird taxi if new to country. Both have Apps. Can get sim card in arrivals area.
Hope this helps.Thanks for your info. Of the three countries I just applied for evisas, Indonesia was the first one to come through (almost right away) with my evisa. Waiting for Cambodia and Vietnam.
Nuttin Serious
10-23-24, 03:55
I assume they still stamp your passport.No. No stamps anymore. Completely electronic if you have passport with chip.
No. No stamps anymore. Completely electronic if you have passport with chip.Oh dear. What about when you leave Indonesia? Do they stamp you out? I am relying on my passport as proof of the time I spend outside the EU. If I get no more passport stamps upon entering and leaving Indonesia I have a problem. Maybe I should avoid using any eGate?
P.S. I've just read on the web they still manually stamp you out. Having an "out" stamp but no "in" stamp in your passport is odd.
Oh dear. What about when you leave Indonesia? Do they stamp you out? I am relying on my passport as proof of the time I spend outside the EU. If I get no more passport stamps upon entering and leaving Indonesia I have a problem. Maybe I should avoid using any eGate?
P.S. I've just read on the web they still manually stamp you out. Having an "out" stamp but no "in" stamp in your passport is odd.
I had evisa online and it said clearly I'm eligible to use auto gate for both arrival and departure. I was able to use auto gate while leaving, but not for entering, the auto gate staff asked me to go to immigration booth to get evisa stamp on my passport. Auto gate is optional, not mandatory, you can still choose to go immigration booth to get stamping for both arrival and departure.
Thanks for your info. Of the three countries I just applied for evisas, Indonesia was the first one to come through (almost right away) with my evisa. Waiting for Cambodia and Vietnam.For me Indonesia evisa online got approved instantly after the payment, however Cambodia and Vietnam took 3 days.
I had evisa online and it said clearly I'm eligible to use auto gate for both arrival and departure. I was able to use auto gate while leaving, but not for entering, the auto gate staff asked me to go to immigration booth to get evisa stamp on my passport. Auto gate is optional, not mandatory, you can still choose to go immigration booth to get stamping for both arrival and departure.Ok, thanks. What I'll do then is get an eVisa all the same, but at the airport I'll stand in queue for the immigration booth instead of taking the eGate shortcut. A bit of a waste of time but the stamp matters more to me than winning time.
I really think countries that go digital should keep the stamping option open, even if for a modest fee.
Peru stopped stamping since from Covid, the story back then being that stamping passports was a source of Covid infection!
Banana Boi
10-23-24, 05:41
I am relying on my passport as proof of the time I spend outside the EU. Wouldn't EU electronically keep track of the time you were IN EU? I never heard of having to prove you were outside a country / region.
Wouldn't EU electronically keep track of the time you were IN EU? I never heard of having to prove you were outside a country / region.I've had to prove that I was outside my home country many times.
Failure to vote and attend jury duty feature prominently.
G.
Wouldn't EU electronically keep track of the time you were IN EU? I never heard of having to prove you were outside a country / region.Not if you're an UE citizen. They check up on you of course, but they don't keep any record of leaving and entering.
Proving you spend most of your time outside matters for tax residency purposes. It can also be great to be able to prove you weren't there if you get into a list of suspects for a particular crime.
CallSignRomeo
10-26-24, 20:57
Not if you're an UE citizen. They check up on you of course, but they don't keep any record of leaving and entering.
It can also be great to be able to prove you weren't there if you get into a list of suspects for a particular crime.Thats the official line yes. Triangle exit stamp from main border points should be enough for most depts in EU.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a hotel with a nice bar where it is easy to meet girls (both pros and nonpros are of interest).
I am already aware of Mulia (with CJs) and Shangrila (with BATS), so I am trying to find a new place. Central or north Jakarta would be great, but also other locations are of interest.
I've had to prove that I was outside my home country many times.
Failure to vote and attend jury duty feature prominently.
G.Failure to vote?
What the hell. So what if you don't vote. I didn't vote on November 5th. California is Democratic whether I like it or not and one vote is going to change that outcome. Luckily the person whom I wanted to win did win. But why the hell would failure to vote matter?
Ok, thanks. What I'll do then is get an eVisa all the same, but at the airport I'll stand in queue for the immigration booth instead of taking the eGate shortcut. A bit of a waste of time but the stamp matters more to me than winning time. Yes that was my experience too when I arrived to Jakarta. I had my EVOA up in my phone screen and I saw the auto gates but I decided to keep waking to go get a stamp instead because I like having stamps from each place I have been. Instead of a stamp he placed a white sticker in my passport though. I guess it's similar to a stamp. It says Indonesia and has my info on it and what day I entered and can stay until (not including the 30 day extension obviously).
Peru stopped stamping since from Covid, the story back then being that stamping passports was a source of Covid infection!Really?
My passport would beg to differ. I was in Peru earlier this year and got stamped in and stamped out. In fact having those 2 stamps from peru were necessary for me to re-enter Colombia.
Why are there two different phrases for "good afternoon" and how do you know at what time to stop saying "selamat siang" and at what time to start saying "selamat sore"?
I have no issues with "selamat Pagi" in the morning and "selamat malam" at night but in the afternoon it starts out with siang and then at some time which I'm not exactly sure but maybe around 3 pm or 4 pm then it switches to sore.
Can anyone elaborate on this further and explain at what time exactly you switch from siang to sore?
Gabacho.
I know there's been some post and I tried searching acronyms but I can figure out what the below acronyms are!:
RO.
BM.
JM.
PM.
CK.
Looks like some uses difficult acronyms as well. Any help will be great!
Why are there two different phrases for "good afternoon" and how do you know at what time to stop saying "selamat siang" and at what time to start saying "selamat sore"?
I have no issues with "selamat Pagi" in the morning and "selamat malam" at night but in the afternoon it starts out with siang and then at some time which I'm not exactly sure but maybe around 3 pm or 4 pm then it switches to sore.
Can anyone elaborate on this further and explain at what time exactly you switch from siang to sore?
Gabacho.Align them with meals.
Pagi is anytime you would have breakfast.
Siang is lunchtime.
Sore is anytime after lunch but before its dark.
Malam is night time.
There are others too depending on where you are. Subuh is very early, pre dawn morning. It's a time though, not a welcoming. I've never heard selamat subuh.
Gaijin Gigolo
11-15-24, 07:53
Any issues with doing via runs out of Indo and then back in a few days later? I know I can get an extension for a second 30 days but I'd like to say 90 or perhaps 120 days. Can anybody advise?
How long ahead of your flight into Indonesia do you guys do this online stuff? Are we allowed to do it several weeks in advance?
How long ahead of your flight into Indonesia do you guys do this online stuff? Are we allowed to do it several weeks in advance?I did mine while I was still in the Philippines 5 days before my flight to Jakarta. I did the EVOA which costs 500 k IDR ($32 usd). It was approved instantly (once I got the payment to go thru) and the pdf file sent to my email within 2 minutes.
However when I went to extend it for the extra 30 days it was not approved instantly and it actually took 9 days before it was approved and I received the pdf document in my email.
The health questionnaire was simple and easy. It just asked questions about monkeypox (I've been fully vaxxed against that with the jynneos vaccine and never had mpox). I answered the questions and it gave me a QR code instantly of which I saved a screenshot but I was never asked for it at all when I arrived.
There was a third thing which was the customs declaration form. Simple easy to fill out same basic questions all countries ask upon arrival. It gave me a QR code of which I also saved a screenshot. This one was needed upon arrival after grabbing your luggage there is a dude with a scanner who scans the QR Code of this form so you need to have it on your screen of your phone when you walk up to the dude and he scans it.
And that's all you need the EVOA and the Customs Declaration Form and although no one asks for the health questionnaire, it probably doesn't hurt to have that saved too. Do all 3 forms 5 days before flight.
P.S: one of the forms had asked me for a flight seat number and since I had chosen cheapest random seat on Cebu Pacific and not yet checked in, I didn't know my seat number, so I just typed in a random seat like 32 A and it accepted it. I want to say I think that was on the health questionnaire which I never had to show anyways, so it didn't even matter.
Respectfully,
Gabacho.
How long ahead of your flight into Indonesia do you guys do this online stuff? Are we allowed to do it several weeks in advance?I normally do everything a couple of days before I travel. I've had problems with the evisa before as it scans the photo of your passport and extracts data from it. But last time there was no problem. Even if you have problems with your evisa make sure you do the other two, they are a pain to do when you have landed.
I normally do everything a couple of days before I travel. I've had problems with the evisa before as it scans the photo of your passport and extracts data from it. But last time there was no problem. Even if you have problems with your evisa make sure you do the other two, they are a pain to do when you have landed.Ok thanks, the other two you mean the SATUSEHAT (health form) and the custom declaration. I see the URL for the visa is:
https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/web/visa-selection
I hope they've made the "other two" available from within the same website. It seems Indonesia has an app on Google Play for the health declaration. This reminds me of Covid in Thailand.
Plenty of non official websites out there trying to trick you into applying through them. I once got tricked into overpaying for a Ugandan visa after I thought I was dealing with an official website from the Ugandan government. I wasn't.
Ok thanks, the other two you mean the SATUSEHAT (health form) and the custom declaration. I see the URL for the visa is:
https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/web/visa-selection
I hope they've made the "other two" available from within the same website. It seems Indonesia has an app on Google Play for the health declaration. This reminds me of Covid in Thailand.
Plenty of non official websites out there trying to trick you into applying through them. I once got tricked into overpaying for a Ugandan visa after I thought I was dealing with an official website from the Ugandan government. I wasn't.Unless from some special country, there is no health form to fill out. Evisa and customs declaration is what I needed.
You can not do it too many days in advance (3-4 is max I think, but I don't remember exactly), as you need to tell what date your flight will arrive, and the form only allows you to choose one of the next 3-4 days.
I was almost tricked when filling out for Australian visa recently. Almost paid up, but stopped in time. Then got email spam from them a day or two later, reminding me to complete the form.
Unless from some special country, there is no health form to fill out. Evisa and customs declaration is what I needed.
You can not do it too many days in advance (3-4 is max I think, but I don't remember exactly), as you need to tell what date your flight will arrive, and the form only allows you to choose one of the next 3-4 days.
I was almost tricked when filling out for Australian visa recently. Almost paid up, but stopped in time. Then got email spam from them a day or two later, reminding me to complete the form.When were you last in Indo? The health form was required 2 months ago when I was there and is still required looking online.
I think they are separate sites for each, which is always confusing. You get QR codes for the health and customs declaration.
There is also a tourist tax which I have never paid and never been asked for. But I have friends who do pay it.
LoveItHere69
12-23-24, 19:42
This is the only site you should use.
https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/
I have entered Indonesia 4 times this year. Last entry November 10. I have never filled out any health info. United States passport.
Some countries require additional health info if you are from certain countries (especially African) or you have been there recently.
Banana Boi
12-23-24, 20:11
No more automated entry until the renovation is completed.Anyone know when they may reopen?
This is the only site you should use.
https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/
I have entered Indonesia 4 times this year. Last entry November 10. I have never filled out any health info. United States passport.
Some countries require additional health info if you are from certain countries (especially African) or you have been there recently.New requirement due to monkey pox:
https://khiri.com/important-update-new-travel-requirements-for-indonesia-due-to-monkeypox/
It seems the website for filling in the form is the following:
https://sshp.kemkes.go.id/
Here too, can only be filled out 2 days in advance (only "today" + tomorrow + day after tomorrow). I wish they would allow more days for any paperwork.
New requirement due to monkey pox:
https://khiri.com/important-update-new-travel-requirements-for-indonesia-due-to-monkeypox/
It seems the website for filling in the form is the following:
https://sshp.kemkes.go.id/
Here too, can only be filled out 2 days in advance (only "today" + tomorrow + day after tomorrow). I wish they would allow more days for any paperwork.Now that I think about it, I think I only did the EVOA 5 days before and the rest of everything else I completed 2 days before my flight.
Gabacho.
Any issues with doing via runs out of Indo and then back in a few days later? I know I can get an extension for a second 30 days but I'd like to say 90 or perhaps 120 days. Can anybody advise?There is a different visa besides the EVOA that you can choose and it costs about $100 usd instead of $32 usd but it give you up to 6 months I believe. You can check on the same imigrasi website that LoveItHere69 mentioned in his post.
I think the $100 visa allows you to stay 60 days at first and can be extended two additional times for 60 days each, allowing for a total stay of 6 months without having to leave the country.
Hope this helps.
Gabacho.
Gaijin Gigolo
12-25-24, 01:20
There is a different visa besides the EVOA that you can choose and it costs about $100 usd instead of $32 usd but it give you up to 6 months I believe. You can check on the same imigrasi website that LoveItHere69 mentioned in his post.
I think the $100 visa allows you to stay 60 days at first and can be extended two additional times for 60 days each, allowing for a total stay of 6 months without having to leave the country.
Hope this helps.
Gabacho.Was looking at that. Wasn't sure if I'd need an Indonesian sponsor to extend that long or not. Thanks for the intel.
I see the Grab app has the option to set up a "wallet". This could be useful to minimize the number of charges to the credit card. A single say 300-dollar transfer from your credit card to the wallet and you're good to go for one or two weeks without having to monitor a string of charges to your credit card. I see though that Grab now has an email from the Philippines and shows an address in "Marikina City" in the Philippines. Not the best place to inspire confidence. According to Wikipedia they were seated in Singapore. Or is the following webpage just a phishing site?
https://www.grab.com/ph/pay/
On another page (not the above link) Grab offer the possibility of topping up your Grab Wallet by entering your online banking data (!!!!!) into the Grab app. Never in a million years would I give my online banking credentials to a third party!
I see the Grab app has the option to set up a "wallet". This could be useful to minimize the number of charges to the credit card. A single say 300-dollar transfer from your credit card to the wallet and you're good to go for one or two weeks without having to monitor a string of charges to your credit card. I see though that Grab now has an email from the Philippines and shows an address in "Marikina City" in the Philippines. Not the best place to inspire confidence. According to Wikipedia they were seated in Singapore. Or is the following webpage just a phishing site?
https://www.grab.com/ph/pay/
On another page (not the above link) Grab offer the possibility of topping up your Grab Wallet by entering your online banking data (!!!!!) into the Grab app. Never in a million years would I give my online banking credentials to a third party!Agreed.
It could easily be done using a ACH.
Or you can do what do to protect all my accounts. Debit card I keep less than 500 USD in an account I use just for purchases. All accounts that need a credit / debt card gets this one.
I just managed to get some aknowledgement of receipt from the immigration department after hours of trial and error. They want jpeg pics of your passport on the first page, then on the next page they want a PDF passport pic of the same passport. You get a pop up that the "province" of your hotel is missing but when you want to fill in a province the field for filling it it doesn't allow any entry. When you check your entries you find out the system screwed some of the entries behind your back (like the date of issue of your passport). You fill everyting in in the browser then at the end it freezes when you click "submit" and you need to start from scratch on another browser or on your smartphone. It is a nightmare.
I assume payment is effected only after you get the go-ahead from immigration. They didn't ask me my travel dates, is that normal? I read here that you could only apply 5 days in advance, now how do they know I'm 5 days in advance if they don't ask for my travel dates? They only required a (PDF!) copy of my flight.
P.S. I now see in the mail they sent me there's a link to the "status of my application", and on the latter there's a link for payment. Ok, there we go.
Can you elaborate more on the online electronic customs form you filled out while the plane was taxing? Do you have any links for that?
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Gabacho.This seems to be the link for the customs declaration:
https://ecd.beacukai.go.id/
Available dates of arrival in the form are : yesterday (!), today, tomorrow, day after tomorrow.
I just managed to get some aknowledgement of receipt from the immigration department after hours of trial and error. They want jpeg pics of your passport on the first page, then on the next page they want a PDF passport pic of the same passport. You get a pop up that the "province" of your hotel is missing but when you want to fill in a province the field for filling it it doesn't allow any entry. When you check your entries you find out the system screwed some of the entries behind your back (like the date of issue of your passport). You fill everyting in in the browser then at the end it freezes when you click "submit" and you need to start from scratch on another browser or on your smartphone. It is a nightmare.
I assume payment is effected only after you get the go-ahead from immigration. They didn't ask me my travel dates, is that normal? I read here that you could only apply 5 days in advance, now how do they know I'm 5 days in advance if they don't ask for my travel dates? They only required a (PDF!) copy of my flight.
P.S. I now see in the mail they sent me there's a link to the "status of my application", and on the latter there's a link for payment. Ok, there we go.Yea it took me 3 times to get it right. And if you have to fix something it would mess up other fields so you always have to double check everything. Also the payment page was an issue for me having to use different bank cards to get them to take my payment. Same thing on the extension too.
The good thing though, atleast for me, was once I did the first EVOA and successfully made the payment, they emailed me the visa right away within like 2 seconds I think it was literally in my email.
But with the extension it took like 9 days.
And no on the EVOA it doesn't ask your dates of travel but it gives you the visa which must be used within 90 days so your arrival has to be within a 90 day window from when the EVOA is approved.
The other documents such as the customs declaration and health questioneer have to be filled out within a few days of your arrival.
And thanks for the link in your other post but that's from 3 months ago, I already figured it out when I went. I was there November and December.
Also your phone won't work in Indonesia unless you let customs register your Imei at the telkomcel store by the ATM that is always out of cash on the lower level of the airport (the level where you grab your luggage). Even if you try to buy a cheap simcard at a store and just pop it into your phone as you can do in many other countries, it won't work in Indonesia, your phone will just show no service. I didn't know this at first so I was without data at first, but the airport wifi reaches all the way outside to the grab pickup area so you you can actually order a grab or gojek thru the Wi-Fi and make it to your hotel without any data. Then you can go to any cell phone shop in a mall or wherever and they sell this little Wi-Fi box thing that you can put a telkomcel simcard into the box and turn it on and it grabs service and puts out a Wi-Fi signal which you then just connect your phone to that Wi-Fi network and viola you are now good to go without having to register your Imei with customs. However the signal was hit and miss, I would often use it to book gojek motos when I was out and about so for stuff like that or just using WhatsApp it would work pretty good, if you don't have good signal inside a building just have to go outside and walk around a bit until it works.
Hope this helps.
Gabacho.
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Also your phone won't work in Indonesia unless you let customs register your Imei at the telkomcel store by the ATM that is always out of cash on the lower level of the airport (the level where you grab your luggage). Even if you try to buy a cheap simcard at a store and just pop it into your phone as you can do in many other countries, it won't work in Indonesia, your phone will just show no service. I didn't know this at first so I was without data at first, but the airport wifi reaches all the way outside to the grab pickup area so you you can actually order a grab or gojek thru the Wi-Fi and make it to your hotel without any data. Then you can go to any cell phone shop in a mall or wherever and they sell this little Wi-Fi box thing that you can put a telkomcel simcard into the box and turn it on and it grabs service and puts out a Wi-Fi signal which you then just connect your phone to that Wi-Fi network and viola you are now good to go without having to register your Imei with customs. However the signal was hit and miss, I would often use it to book gojek motos when I was out and about so for stuff like that or just using WhatsApp it would work pretty good, if you don't have good signal inside a building just have to go outside and walk around a bit until it works.
Hope this helps.
Gabacho.Thanks for the heads-up!
I think I'll declare my phone's EMEI in the custom declaration form. My phone actually has 2 EMEIs as it's a dual-SIM phone (another thing to watch for once the indo SIM is inside if only one of the EMEIs was registered). I'll buy a small roaming package from Thailand (AIS) so that I'm not stranded without data for days in case the local SIM doesn't work.
I've read somewhere that Grab will only work with a foreign SIM on a roaming package if you have the Grab app already installed with the foreign SIM before arriving in Indonesia. For registering into the Grab app in Indonesia you would need an operational indo SIM card. So many stupid things to watch out for. Note that these and other hassles may be what keeps the hordes of Indians and Chinese away from Jakarta.
When I bought my Sim card at the shop in the arrival hall of the airport, the girls took photos of my 2 IMEI. It looked very much like they would register them. Maybe this was already enough? Until now, my SIM card is working fine.
Thanks for the heads-up!
I've read somewhere that Grab will only work with a foreign SIM on a roaming package if you have the Grab app already installed with the foreign SIM before arriving in Indonesia. For registering into the Grab app in Indonesia you would need an operational indo SIM card. So many stupid things to watch out for. Note that these and other hassles may be what keeps the hordes of Indians and Chinese away from Jakarta.I can confirm that this is not the case. When I arrived I was able to get on my grab app (which I had already been using in Thailand and Philippines) thru the airport wifi and successfully book a grab car to the sparks life hotel and pay with my already linked credit card.
OH wait maybe I misread what you wrote. Yea if you don't already have the grab and gojek apps I suggest downloading them before you arrive. Many apps ask for a phone number to send an sms verification code in order to register the app so if you didn't have the app already installed before you arrive that could be another problem. For me I had installed both grab and gojek before I ever even left the US. And grab worked fine in Thailand Philippines and Indonesia but I only used it once or twice in Indonesia and then I switched to using gojek bikes to get around because it was cheaper.
Gabacho.
According to this blogger it is possible to get 15 million against a fee of 75 k at BCA card centers (not at BCA bank branches as not all branches have card centers!).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6q0DNQLOvk
The interesting part is at 0:27. He doesn't really say how this is performed except you need to bring your passport and credit card. So I guess this is like the old "cash on credit card" procedure.
According to this blogger it is possible to get 15 million against a fee of 75 k at BCA card centers (not at BCA bank branches as not all branches have card centers!).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6q0DNQLOvk
The interesting part is at 0:27. He doesn't really say how this is performed except you need to bring your passport and credit card. So I guess this is like the old "cash on credit card" procedure.You do realize there are no ATM fees at all in Indonesia right?
Only one ATM inside an indomaret tried to charge me a 30 k fee on cap one (but not with Fidelity). But all the other bsnkd had no fee whatsoever for cap one or Fidelity cards. BRI BMI Link Mandiri the ones at classic all fee free withdrawals.
You do realize there are no ATM fees at all in Indonesia right?
Only one ATM inside an indomaret tried to charge me a 30 k fee on cap one (but not with Fidelity). But all the other bsnkd had no fee whatsoever for cap one or Fidelity cards. BRI BMI Link Mandiri the ones at classic all fee free withdrawals.Ok thanks, that's certainly good news! However I'm more paranoid about my credit card(s) being retained by an ATM than about fees. I wish banks would set-up swipe/dip ATMs, like the HSBC ATMs in Jakarta in the good old days. It only takes a power cut lasting a fraction of a second for the card to stay inside. I'm bringing a substantial amount of cash and I'll try to pay with my phone as often as I can.
When I bought my Sim card at the shop in the arrival hall of the airport, the girls took photos of my 2 IMEI. It looked very much like they would register them. Maybe this was already enough? Until now, my SIM card is working fine.
Indeed, the screenshot below is what I get when filling in the customs form today. Note that I answered "do you have a phone with unregistered EMEI?" with "YES". It didn't ask me to enter any EMEI.
Has anyone tried out the Vivo 0.01 non-latex condoms? They're sold at Watson's. ChatGTP tells me they're available in Indonesia and nothing is known about their actual thickness. The "0.01" sounds good but it may just be a marketing ploy.
Has anyone had any luck buying this from pharmacies? I'm not interested in online providers.
I am confused: do I need this Electronic visa on arrival or can I just walk to the counter and get it there.
That Website for the Electronic one is a pain in the ass!
I am confused: do I need this Electronic visa on arrival or can I just walk to the counter and get it there.
That Website for the Electronic one is a pain in the ass!You can do either. Land, go to the counter and ask for / pay for the VoA. Or, a better way is to do it online ('eVoA') - this way, you don't need to wait in the queue when you land, as you've already got the visa. Plus, with an eVoA, you don't even need to speak to an immigration officer. You simply scan your passport at the electronic gates after landing.
You can do either. Land, go to the counter and ask for / pay for the VoA. Or, a better way is to do it online ('eVoA') - this way, you don't need to wait in the queue when you land, as you've already got the visa. Plus, with an eVoA, you don't even need to speak to an immigration officer. You simply scan your passport at the electronic gates after landing.Do they only accept Rupiah's for the payment of the VoA? Or also USD or EUR?
I have a dual sim phone, with only one physical sim card slot. So a second sim can only be an e-sim, unless I remove the physical sim (which I'd rather not do).
I can find several e-sim options for Indonesia online, but which one is recommended?
I have a dual sim phone, with only one physical sim card slot. So a second sim can only be an e-sim, unless I remove the physical sim (which I'd rather not do).
I can find several e-sim options for Indonesia online, but which one is recommended?I recently got one through klook, I only needed a small amount of data and it was 3 USD using telkomsel.
You don't get a phone number though.
One benefit is you don't have to provide all your passport details and phone IMEI like when you buy a physical SIM.
Banana Boi
05-12-25, 09:05
Do they only accept Rupiah's for the payment of the VoA? Or also USD or EUR?USD (and I assume Euro) are accepted but expect a VERY poor exchange rate. At least that was my experience the one and only time I didn't use Rupiah.
For eSim I use Airalo Regional when I'm hopping around Asian countries for a month. Don't need to swap eSIM in and out for each country. Never had an issue.
USD (and I assume Euro) are accepted but expect a VERY poor exchange rate. At least that was my experience the one and only time I didn't use Rupiah.
For eSim I use Airalo Regional when I'm hopping around Asian countries for a month. Don't need to swap eSIM in and out for each country. Never had an issue.Carry exact change of 35 USD or 40 USD. If you give a 100 USD bill then they will give you back the rest 60 USD back in Rupiah with a terrible exchange rate.
USD (and I assume Euro) are accepted but expect a VERY poor exchange rate. At least that was my experience the one and only time I didn't use Rupiah.
...One more reason to do the eVisa online.
Banana Boi
05-13-25, 09:04
Terrible exchange rate. Carry exact change in dollars
Carry exact change of 35 USD or 40 USD. If you give a 100 USD bill then they will give you back the rest 60 USD back in Rupiah with a terrible exchange rate.Maybe my numbers are off for current rates but I'm not following the above. My Google search shows current VOA is 35 USD or 500 k Rupiah. It also shows that 500 k Rupiah is 30.27 USD. Even if you pay 'exact change' of 35 USD you are paying nearly 5 USD more than you need to.
I always pay in Rupiah since I always have a ton leftover from my previous trip.
One more reason to do the eVisa online.The eVisa online is the way to go.
Guys, I'm comparison shopping for options outside of provincial Philippines.
Jakarta is known for its low budget options at Classic, Hotel etc but I would rather stab my eyes out than spend my entire holiday trapped there.
I'm currently spending 2000 PHP /600 k IDR in the provinces for all night and unlimited shots of BBBJ / BBFS with attractive semi pros and broke students. It's roughly double that in the Cebu and Manila.
Post shutdown and virus, is this a price range that will be acceptable in regional Java, Bali or Sumatra? My only comparison was Jakarta years ago and then a pretty girl was expecting several juta for the full night.
I like to think I've got the language skills and travel experience to not appear as a total noob to the girls and get charged the applicable skin tax. It's just a long time since I've been there and worked with current prices.
Cheers. G.
So there is a third app for motorbikes now. It's called Maxim. I haven't used it yet because I'm having trouble receiving an SMS text with an OTP to register my account. I have been using Gojek and Grab alot tho so this is a comparison of those two and the prices of all three.
Gojek has been my go to app for almost all my motorbike rides, however it doesn't always offer the best prices. To go from pasar baru to mangga besar I have been paying 14 k with Gojek lately, but Maxim offers the same route for 11 k, however it is actually Grab that has the best price. At first glance Grab looks more expensive especially for cars and the more expensive and standard bike options. But if you look at all the options and scroll down they have something called "Hemat Bike" (economical bike) and it charges only 9 k rupiah for the same exact route. Much cheaper than Gojek. I can make a roundtrip from pasar baru to mangga besar and back for only 18 k (a little more than a dollar) with the Grab Hemat Bike option which is only 4 k (or 25 ¢ usd) more than one way with Gojek.
So I suggest everyone to download all three of these apps Gojek, Grab, and Maxim and check to see which one has the best price for your route.
Hope this helps.
Gabacho.
So there is a third app for motorbikes now. It's called Maxim.
if you look at all the options and scroll down they have something called "Hemat Bike" (economical bike) and it charges only 9 k rupiah for the same exact route. Much cheaper than Gojek.
Hope this helps.
Gabacho.First time hearing about Maxim app, thanks Gabacho for putting it out there. Have used Grab and Gojek, chiefly the latter in Indo.
Never noticed the 'Hemat Bike' option on Grab. Will check it out in the next visit. Learnt from the net that it's for shorter distances. But definitely a good option to explore. Cheers.
Cowboy Bebop
06-04-25, 08:53
Guys, I'm comparison shopping for options outside of provincial Philippines......I'm currently spending 2000 PHP /600 k IDR in the provinces for all night and unlimited shots of BBBJ / BBFS with attractive semi pros and broke students. It's roughly double that in the Cebu and Manila..I'm also looking for options outside of Thailand and the Philippines, hoping to find better value for money. For example:
Jakarta. Lokasari MaBes area - - - 400 K short time + 100 K tip (500 K Indonesian Rupiah = $30.65 USD) - - - Sparks Life hotel ($18 USD per night) - - - short-time hotel 110 K.
Nosy Be. Madagascar - - - 50 K short time + 10 K tip (60 K Malagasy Ariary = $13.10 USD) - - - Etoile Blanche beachfront hotel ($51 USD per night).
I'm hoping that language will not be a significant barrier and obstacle with the girls, because I can only speak to them in English (I don't speak Bahasa, Malagasy or French).
Asian Rain
06-06-25, 09:52
I'm also looking for options outside of Thailand and the Philippines, hoping to find better value for money.You talk about value, but your only measure is price. That is not value, which typically includes a potentially endless list of subjective attributes (youth, beauty, services offered, etc, etc). If you want the cheapest fucks, then I can suggest exotic venues in Laos and Myanmar, but do you care about convenience, comfort and safety? I am guessing you have subjective standards. IMHO, it is more important to benchmark considering what was experienced than simply what was paid. Just like Mastercard advertises, some experiences are simply PRICELESS. See attached cutie from Kota.
I'm hoping that language will not be a significant barrier and obstacle with the girls, because I can only speak to them in English (I don't speak Bahasa, Malagasy or French).Are you a boomer with a flip phone? Hopefully not. Consider to upskill to use Google Translate and you will have your own personal interpreter for every situation. You can even use embedded Google Lens to dynamically read signs, menus and other written materials. It is no longer a flex to have local language skills to order your ayam with nasi putih. When I am shopping for talent on Soi Nana in BKK, I can easily toggle between Thai, Viet, Uzbek, etc as it has become somewhat of a prostitution United Nations. In Indonesia, Translate works perfectly, but you need to know how to express yourself in simple terms to get the right meaning across. Enjoy, AR.
I'm also looking for options outside of Thailand and the Philippines, hoping to find better value for money. For example:
Jakarta. Lokasari MaBes area - - - 400 K short time + 100 K tip (500 K Indonesian Rupiah = $30.65 USD) - - - Sparks Life hotel ($18 USD per night) - - - short-time hotel 110 K.
Nosy Be. Madagascar - - - 50 K short time + 10 K tip (60 K Malagasy Ariary = $13.10 USD) - - - Etoile Blanche beachfront hotel ($51 USD per night).
I'm hoping that language will not be a significant barrier and obstacle with the girls, because I can only speak to them in English (I don't speak Bahasa, Malagasy or French).
You talk about value, but your only measure is price. That is not value, which typically includes a potentially endless list of subjective attributes (youth, beauty, services offered, etc, etc). If you want the cheapest fucks, then I can suggest exotic venues in Laos and Myanmar, but do you care about convenience, comfort and safety? I am guessing you have subjective standards. IMHO, it is more important to benchmark considering what was experienced than simply what was paid. Just like Mastercard advertises, some experiences are simply PRICELESS. See attached cutie from Kota.
Are you a boomer with a flip phone? Hopefully not. Consider to upskill to use Google Translate and you will have your own personal interpreter for every situation. You can even use embedded Google Lens to dynamically read signs, menus and other written materials. It is no longer a flex to have local language skills to order your ayam with nasi putih. When I am shopping for talent on Soi Nana in BKK, I can easily toggle between Thai, Viet, Uzbek, etc as it has become somewhat of a prostitution United Nations. In Indonesia, Translate works perfectly, but you need to know how to express yourself in simple terms to get the right meaning across. Enjoy, AR.Besides face value one must also add in flights and my own time. I did look at some of Cowboy's suggestions previously and the additional costs blew out the dollar per shot dramatically.
I speak Bahasa and I can tell anyone that Google may be good and versatile but a few words of the local language can make all the difference. I tried the whole translator deal in Thailand and, man, it sucked big time. That's why it's a shame I don't speak Thai, Spanish, etc and why it's so easy in the Philippines.
Cheers. G.
Cowboy Bebop
06-10-25, 10:22
IMHO, it is more important to benchmark considering what was experienced than simply what was paid.Unfortunately, my current financial circumstances encourages me to focus heavily on price as a primary metric for "value for money".
My current goal is to travel to places where I can have reliable access to women, while sticking to a daily budget of <$150 USD.
Reliable access = preferably 2-3 sessions per day.
Women = 18-24 year old, 35-45 kilos, tight kitty, face not too ugly, slim physique, A cup.
Budget = $130-$150 USD that covers the daily cost of women, hotel, food, internet.
Sounds like Jakarta might fit the bill, but maybe I should also look at these "exotic venues in Laos and Myanmar" that you mentioned.
I recently made a mistake posting some pictures of some women I had sessioned with at classic. I thought since I blurred out their eyes that it would be okay but apparently it wasn't. Please guys don't post pictures of working girls, maybe freelancers is one thing but if they work at a club, you never know who will end up seeing it and what repercussions it may have. So take my advice and refrain from posting pictures even if they are blurred or redacted.
Gabacho.
Unfortunately, my current financial circumstances encourages me to focus heavily on price as a primary metric for "value for money".
My current goal is to travel to places where I can have reliable access to women, while sticking to a daily budget of <$150 USD.
Reliable access = preferably 2-3 sessions per day.
Women = 18-24 year old, 35-45 kilos, tight kitty, face not too ugly, slim physique, A cup.
Budget = $130-$150 USD that covers the daily cost of women, hotel, food, internet.
Sounds like Jakarta might fit the bill, but maybe I should also look at these "exotic venues in Laos and Myanmar" that you mentioned.It is illegal for a foreigner to have sex with a local girl in Laos, whether it's P4 P or a normal date. This is to stop perverts like us flooding the country. Of course, it happens underground I'm sure. The by-product of this is that there is a scam where a girl comes to your hotel room, and minutes later, there are police knocking on the door. The girl is in on it, of course. They want you to pay the 'fine' or risk getting arrested.
If I don't get an online visa before arriving in Jakarta, can the 30 days visa I get at the airport be extended?
If I don't get an online visa before arriving in Jakarta, can the 30 days visa I get at the airport be extended?Yes it can be extended but I read somewhere that it cannot be extended online, you have to go to the migrasi location that corresponds to the address you used on the EVOA and request the extension in person.
-Gabacho.
If I don't get an online visa before arriving in Jakarta, can the 30 days visa I get at the airport be extended?Hi brother its simple if you don't get a visa online you can get a visa on arrival BUTT if you have to extend your visa you will have to extend it at a local immigration office and fill out a lot of forms don't forget top bring a copy of your passport they want it.
If you get you visa oline you can also extend it online those are the rules.
LoveItHere69
06-28-25, 15:57
Hi brother its simple if you don't get a visa online you can get a visa on arrival BUTT if you have to extend your visa you will have to extend it at a local immigration office and fill out a lot of forms don't forget top bring a copy of your passport they want it.
If you get you visa online you can also extend it online those are the rules.And you do not want to go to the immigration office. Been there twice. They open at 8:00? I got there at 9:00. First immigration person started work at 10:00. Only 2 other customers (victims) in line. Next time came later and got right in because customers (victims). I had questions the first time and a payment problem the one time I tried to pay using one of the convenience store payment systems and there was a problem, so pay by credit card.
The online is a pain because it asks for both jpg and pdf files of the same damn thing. Use Ilovepdf.com to convert to pdf for free and is easy to do. But I promise you going in person to the immigration office is a much larger pain.
As of 25-May-25, all extensions, I believe, now require a visit to the immigration office for biometrics. The WORST thing about Indonesia for me is the visa nonsense. They keep changing the rules so often and make the whole thing overly complex and non-sensicle. I'm on a C1 visa, which allows me to stay for 6 months, but with 2 monthly extensions. It was done online, with no guarantor, no agent, and was a straight forward process. Yippee! I thought. This was a massive improvement on the previous B211 A visa. I applied in April. At the time, I researched and I found I could extend this visa online for another 2 months, after the initial 60 day period etc. But. A week before I actually arrived in Jakarta, the buggers changed the laws so that all extensions now require people to visit an immigrasi office and give them biometrics (finger-prints) etc. So, the original visa is granted without any biometrics, but an extension of the same visa now suddenly requires finger-prints, due to security checks.
Does that make any sense? It was even worse last year when I got my B211 A visa without any agent, and when I went to immigrasi for renewal they told me that I need a guarantor and an agent to get an extension. Ridiculous right!
A lot of airports around the world take a photo and fingerprints at the immigration counter on entry to the country. Why can't Indonesia do the same?
Anyway rant over. In another couple of weeks, I'll be applying for my C1 extension, and am not looking forward to that at all.
Dear fellow mongers, quick question: Are there sex toys shop in Jakarta? Any insights in this regard is mucho appreciated (wink).
Dear fellow mongers, quick question: Are there sex toys shop in Jakarta? Any insights in this regard is mucho appreciated (wink).You can buy them online on sites like Tokopaedia. I bought a clit stimulator that I used with my civvies GF this week. She loved it!
However. Tokopaedia does not accept foreign credit cards. The way around that is to download an app called GoPay. This can be topped up with cash at an Indomaret, Lawson etc. Then on Tokopaedia, use GoPay as your payment option.
Give me some pointers I only been to Bali few times, I want to go other places too, maybe in spring.Moved from the Philippines thread.
For mongering, Bali truely sucks. My best recommendation for Bali is to bring a girl from Jakarta or wherever with you. Much cheaper, better performing and she will say thanks for the holiday.
Suggestion for 2 to 4 weeks for someone who wants to combine travel with pussy:
Arrive Jakarta. It's a dump, full of pollution and crazy traffic. Blow some cash in the high end brothels, try a threesome in Classic or go mall hunting in the mid tier malls around Blok M. Unfortunately Jl Flatehan in Blok M died decades ago so no real bar hopping precincts any more. If you like the doof doof crowd try out the clubs open 24 hours from Thursday to Monday morning. Expect hundreds of chemically enhanced 20 somethings and defending music.
Escape the heat with a few days in Bandung. Girls available online or in clubs. It's a college town so many broke students available.
Back to Jakarta to transit to Jogjakarta. You can fly or the train is actually quite scenic. Play tourist around Borobadur and Prambanan. Lots of history and things to do around town. Wait until after dark to eat street food along Jl. Malioboro. Indonesians are amazingly approachable so be friendly and you never know what might eventuate. Another college city so go online or simply talk to girls.
You kept girls' numbers so msg the best and ask if she wants to come to Bali for a long weekend. If she's not working, she'll say sure. Two cheap air tickets any you're off. Buy her a bikini for the pool and give her a million for presents for her friends. She will say thanks in all the right ways. Chill in Sanur, scuba or snorkeling day trips, fast ferry across to Gilli, skip the Monkey Forrest.
She goes home and you go to wherever you're most interested in: diving in Wakatobi; natural beauty in Sumatra; wierd local customs in Toraja, Orangutans and river tours in Kalimantan. The choice is yours.
Enjoy. G.
Dude, get your ass to Indonesia. It has everything: party areas, nightlife, beaches, natural beauty, historical sights, great food. And best of all, a young guy who is outgoing but polite will be drowning in pussy.
It's a Muslim country so being a non drinker is 100% acceptable. Local girls will actually respect that you don't need to get drunk to have a good time. There are bars but you will only find heavy drinking in the foreigner tourist areas.
It's ideal for someone who wants to travel, away from the regular sexpat locations.
Preparations before hand?? Nothing special. Just be prepared for walking around all day in the heat, bring any meds from home including something for the inevitable travelers diarrhoea..Thanks for the reply.
What traveling target can you recommend (2 weeks)?
And what is a good to get to know local girls? I read that there a few apps.
Is it difficult to find ones for LT? And what can I expect to pay?
Are hotels open for visitors?
Thanks again.
Thanks for the reply.
What traveling target can you recommend (2 weeks)?
And what is a good to get to know local girls? I read that there a few apps.
Is it difficult to find ones for LT? And what can I expect to pay?
Are hotels open for visitors?
Thanks again.It depends how many places you want to see and how much you are affected by jet lag. Coming that far, I'd regard two weeks as a minimum, four is better. You would want at least a few days at each stop.
The aps are good but your more likely to get scammers or the more professional girls. Civilians are amazingly approachable. Especially so if you are only 29. Just be polite and respectful and be prepared to invest in an introductory coffee or lunch.
LT is readily available. Or my personal favourite where she spends the night but goes to work during the day to allow you to do your own thing. The only obstacle will be work commitments if she does have a job. Ask early if she works so that you know what your options are.
How much?? It depends upon and the situation. Prices in Jakarta are all over the place: a hot Seeking girl might want several million just for one shot after a dinner; 1 or 2 LT is being very generous. 500 k to 1 million is fair for a semi pro. A civilian following you to Bali for a long weekend would be only a million so she can buy gifts for back home. Naturally, you will be paying for meals and accommodation.
Yes. Hotels are girl friendly. A worst case would be that if she obviously looks like a $20 hoe, don't take her down to the pool to frolic amongst the kids and families. What happens behind closed doors is totally up to you.
Enjoy. G.
It depends how many places you want to see and how much you are affected by jet lag. Coming that far, I'd regard two weeks as a minimum, four is better. You would want at least a few days at each stop.
The aps are good but your more likely to get scammers or the more professional girls. Civilians are amazingly approachable. Especially so if you are only 29. Just be polite and respectful and be prepared to invest in an introductory coffee or lunch.
LT is readily available. Or my personal favourite where she spends the night but goes to work during the day to allow you to do your own thing. The only obstacle will be work commitments if she does have a job. Ask early if she works so that you know what your options are.Thanks. I never had much issue with jetlag.
From what I read, Indonesia is generally more expensive than Thailand or the Philippines.
I'm not rich but also not poor. My traveling budget will probably be around 2 k€ (without plane and hotel), is this enough?
What are the cultural differences between these three countries?
P.S: Maybe I should buy premium and pm you for more details?
Thanks.
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From what I read, Indonesia is generally more expensive than Thailand or the Philippines.
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Jakarta is cheaper than Bangkok. Hotels are 20% cheaper or better value for money. Convenience stores are also cheaper than 7/11's in Thailand; chocolate and nuts 40% than in Thailand. Taxis are cheaper but of course traffic is much worse.
Thanks. I never had much issue with jetlag.
From what I read, Indonesia is generally more expensive than Thailand or the Philippines.
I'm not rich but also not poor. My traveling budget will probably be around 2 k (without plane and hotel), is this enough?
What are the cultural differences between these three countries?
P.S: Maybe I should buy premium and pm you for more details?
Thanks.All three countries can be as cheap or expensive as you want. It's not difficult to find a $5 meal or a $100 steak in Jakarta. The choice is yours. To make your $$ go further, stay at lower tier hotels and eat out at local restaurants. I'd put Indonesia as the cheapest of the three countries but that really does depend on your life style.
2 k is plenty for 2 weeks of the high life or 4 weeks of enjoyment. Just stay out of the 5 star establishments. Being a non drinker will save you a lot of money. Alcohol is expensive in Indonesia. Keep in mind that 95% of this forum is old retired guys chasing pay per view hook ups. As a 29 yo, normal dates will be totally possible for you. You're going to cover meals and taxis and the odd 'gift' but there is no need for you to be budgeting 2 million everytime you want to get laid.
They are very different countries and people. As very broad generalisations: TH is the most mercenary; PH has the best english; TH has the best established mongering scene; PH has the best GFE; TH and ID have the best food. ID runs a close second in most of the above categories.
Yes, a $25 membership allows PMs and much more.
Enjoy. G.
But that's not necessarily a good thing:
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