Jakarta

[Delbo1]

Arrived at after midnight immigration was smooth takes 10 minutes and I was out bought local sim card and order go jek to redstart hotel from airport near travel hotel at manga besar. Redstar hotel is budget hotel I payed 260 k for deluxe room breakfast included through agoda have everything I need. Take a shower and decide to walk to travel is was already 2 am at night. Walk around it was not many girls as it was almost closing time. Order small bintang and sit on the table listening some local band singing. Mamasan come to me and ask if I want a girl I said show me some slim no baby cute face. She bring 2 girls both was cute I choose one name terra 19 years old slim very small girl with nice big breast and braces on teeth and have small tattoo (some writing near breast) I give for mamasan 400 k she bring me back 35 k change and condom and we went to the room. We shower together with girl talk a bit and I ask for massage she said I don't do massage. I ask again lets do massage I am tired after fly need massage but she refuse. She start kiss my leg near my the. Ick and said blowjob condom I said no condom and push her head with my arm to my dick she said no. She put condom on and start to suck (it kills my mood and was not easy to get hard but after 5 minutes of sucking I was good to go. Try few positions fucking for 10 minutes but get tired and not so strong again (seems long fly 19 hours with stopover done their job) she clean the condom with tissue and start sucking again after some time I get hard till she sucking hard I quickly take of condom and cum on her belly and breast. Take a shower again put my clothes and was leaving then she ask for a tip I just smile and said for her: No massage no blowjob without condom no tip. She said ok ok and I left. Well first expierence its not so great but can't complain much as she done her job in the end anyway. Left travel 2. 45 am and ask what time they closing they said 3 am. Went have some food and local restaurant and comeback hotel.I had a session like that at classic. The girl was demanding for tip before leaving the room I used google translate to show her "this was the worst service I've had in Klassic There is no tip for you. "

That's only happened one time. The rest were acceptable.

[Gabacho]

Walking from Classic Hotel going east. Two walkways going over the road connect one mall on the Classic side to two on the other. The first one has KFC (not that one). Enter the second one further east. Go to second floor. Almost in the middle but slightly to the rear are 2 apotek (drug stores) next to each other. One is called Blackwell (black something) and the other is on the corner. They sell the same as Gabacho found on the first floor for 125,000 but upstairs it is 110,000. Unable to find either on Google maps.Since you are trying to one up me about saving 95 ¢ on some Viagra, LOL, I will one up you instead. The name of the pharmacy on the 2nd floor where they sell the 110 k rupiah Viagra is called Biotek.

I actually found it like 2 days after my post about the downstairs pharmacy that sells tgr same Viagra for 125 k but I forgot to make a second post about the 95 ¢ price difference.

I did mention the upstairs place in regard to doxycycline which they sell there for 15 k per 10 pack strip of 100 MG pills of doxycycline, so try harder to read the fucking forum LOL.

They also sell Acyclovir tablets for 50 k per box of 50 tablets 400 MG and acyclovir cream 5% for 5 k.

I have attached pictures of the building in which the pharmacy is located, the actual pharmacy showing the name clearly as biotek and the acyclovir.

Where are your pictures LoveItHere 68? Since you love to one up a moto?

—Gabacho.

[BenderOver]

I have noticed the same. As an engineer by education, I have spent some time pondering this conundrum. You may rest easy, as I will provide at least one possible hypothesis to explain this seemingly paradoxical issue to you.

At time X, Larry, Curly, and Moe arrive. They of course choose the three hottest girls available at that time. Or maybe all of them choose two girls each. So now girls Hottie1, H2, H3, H4, H5, and H6 are busy.

Slightly later, at time X + a minutes, you, respected member of society, BenderOver arrives. 'a' can be 10 minutes, 20 minutes, or something around there. None of H1-H6 are at the moment available, as they're all in the rooms with Larry, Curly, and Moe. So you, BenderOver, have to choose SLH1 (slightly less hottie #1).

90 minutes later, you finish reciting poetry to SLH1, and return to the big room. At that point, Larry, Curly, and Moe, have also all finished, and thus, H1-H6 are all patiently waiting for their next customer when you, in your flip-flops and wife-beater shirt untucked (or was that the other gentleman here, who's admittance was denied?) enter.

So as you understand, X can be 5 pm, it can be 8 pm, or it can even be 10 pm. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about this, as Larry, Curly, and Moe can arrive at any time.Ahh, yes, but as I am also a student of the arts of engineering, I tried to initiate a run at "X - B" minutes, with hopes that I would beat Larry, Curly, and Moe. Then I would be the Shemp of them all! But no, it was a fail and the paradox still prevailed.

[BenderOver]

I had a session like that at classic. The girl was demanding for tip before leaving the room I used google translate to show her "this was the worst service I've had in Klassic There is no tip for you. ".

That's only happened one time. The rest were acceptable.This happened at Classic to me once. The girl was pretty and reasonably tall (5'4" but maybe I told her that she was pretty one too many times because it seemed her ego got the better part of her. In truth, she was an 8 face 7 body. Baby damage all over.

The initial run had no DFK and she insisted on condom for a BJ. I was already disappointed. During mish, she did a condom check so aggressively that her fingernails stabbed my dick. At that point, I was done, I yelped in pain, pulled out, showered up, got dressed. She was a bit stunned and apologetic and wanted to continue, but I just calmly told her in bahasa "If you must work here at this job, you should try to be better, or go find a different job. " She understood that I wasn't going to tip her but she also knew that she pretty much fked up the moment and everything.

When we both returned to the main floor, I went to scout out the room for a second date (no refund on the first, but just give it up. A good nut is more important than the $24). The first date disappeared into the backroom and didn't come back out during the 30 minutes I scouted the main floor. No idea if she went home or sulked in the back room for an hour. I didn't see her when I left after my second date.

[BenderOver]

Only go to the train tracks if you are really bored, really cheap, or really like to see trains up close and personal. Trains go past every 15 minutes at night. They are super easy to avoid unless you are a Darwin participant looking for your prize and I really hope you get your prize.
Glad you posted your experience. In the past, I thought I saw references of the old alleyways on the same Jalan as New Wijaya 77, but further north on Jl Gedong Panjang just past the railroad tracks near Jl Rw Bebek Selatan. I'm not sure if that place was demolished by government order or if it survived demolition and may have reopened. Sounds like your Train Tracks was actually a different place, along the same train tracks, but further west just a few hundred meters. The alley wasn't at the Train Track grade level, I heard it was underneath it. But yeah, I don't know if it's permanently closed or not.

As for bored or cheap, sometimes I wonder if it's either. Probably just stupid and adventurous. That's how I felt walking the alleys near Gajah Mada and Mangga Besar. The alleys are dirty dirty dirty, and old women try to pull you inside to show you who's available. Inside the apartments, where each room is totally lived in, are the rejects of the business. Looks in the 6 to 7 range, questionable cleanliness, environment not pleasant to be in at all, but I guess it beats a plywood free standing box.

I've posted about lokisari before too. Anyone who goes there is in the stupid and adventurous mode. When you've had the lokisari adventure, you only feel stupid afterwards.

[Expat American]

Glad you posted your experience. In the past, I thought I saw references of the old alleyways on the same Jalan as New Wijaya 77, but further north on Jl Gedong Panjang just past the railroad tracks near Jl Rw Bebek Selatan. I'm not sure if that place was demolished by government order or if it survived demolition and may have reopened. Sounds like your Train Tracks was actually a different place, along the same train tracks, but further west just a few hundred meters. The alley wasn't at the Train Track grade level, I heard it was underneath it. But yeah, I don't know if it's permanently closed or not.

As for bored or cheap, sometimes I wonder if it's either. Probably just stupid and adventurous. That's how I felt walking the alleys near Gajah Mada and Mangga Besar. The alleys are dirty dirty dirty, and old women try to pull you inside to show you who's available. Inside the apartments, where each room is totally lived in, are the rejects of the business. Looks in the 6 to 7 range, questionable cleanliness, environment not pleasant to be in at all, but I guess it beats a plywood free standing box.

I've posted about lokisari before too. Anyone who goes there is in the stupid and adventurous mode. When you've had the lokisari adventure, you only feel stupid afterwards.I have to believe its for the adventure. Because the price difference from Classic is only $6. For that you get clean rooms, showers, clean girls and organized system. Only a total idiot wouldn't pay $6 for.

That.

[Chilli1]

You pay before doingwhereas in terminal 5 I paid afterward.

Once again I paid the 365 k with my credit card, I think there's a 10 k CC fee. All I know is that I get a sexy girl to fuck for $23 according to my credit card statement. Terminal 5 I had to pay before with cash same as terminal 2.

Do you feel comfortable using credit card at these type of places.

Either your not having visa master card? Or your charged as a hotel type business service on your card by classic?

Visa master do block your card if they have issues with grey area business or back home country banks ethics or get flagged or even staff could swipe your card to be charged later and you end up with cancelled card.

If you stay only a week or two versus these staying months maybe better not use cards at these type of places?

BTW you should calculate total cost not just $23 per one.

[Chilli1]

Apotek meteora is on ground floor.

Has all the ones you posted instead of going to two of them in this mall.

The others have higher prices but this one had same price like you posted and both you posted available in this location.


They also sell Acyclovir tablets for 50 k per box of 50 tablets 400 MG and acyclovir cream 5% for 5 k.
Gabacho.

[LoveItHere69]

I have to believe its for the adventure. Because the price difference from Classic is only $6. For that you get clean rooms, showers, clean girls and organized system. Only a total idiot wouldn't pay $6 for that.I was curious about the tracks quantity (roughly 50), quality (not good), attitude (pretty damn horrible), and is the accommodations passible (hell to the no). Also, curious since I read about it in the past and I am a street type guy. I had the time and the curiosity to visit. I consider it a public service announcement. All the other posts do not show the location (finding the ladders is no joy with all the locals staring at you knowing why you are there). Once you find one ladder and know what to look for it is no problem. No post describes the nitty gritty step by step details of what it is really like. One guy posted there are 40 girls in each of the bars near the tracks. But he never went in. Said there were lots of Japanese because someone said so. If you know anything about the Japanese and have been to the tracks you know that is wrong. I went in at start of the peak day and time to get the best feel for what the bars actually had available. Another guy posts 3 pictures of railroad tracks with no girls or what the dwellings look like (real helpful). I post 2 pictures that have real information: map of the location, location of the first staircase, and picture of a staircase so you know what you are looking for because easy to miss.

I would hate for some guy on a 1-2 week vacation wasting any amount of time there. I know I would be pissed off if I went there after reading a post about a place that a guy wrote wearing his fogged up rose colored beer goggles on one eye and a pirates patch on the other. So many guys always have to talk about their successes but never their failures (aka reality). I do that. Well not my successes. We all have those and no need to write literotica. Some guy posted about the size of their rod. Why? If someone asked him to post a dick pic, he probably would. He was wondering if he had a big rod because a prostitute told him so.

So much BS is constantly posted and someone keeps deleting my posts or not even posting them at all so I can not correct the poster because it is "argumentative". The truth seems to be a huge problem.

EA just answering your question. The rant was not about you. But I can not name names.

[ArnoldNe]

Timing in pool is like 30 minutes, than you take shower, once in the room if you want you can shower again with girl, I believe in room time is 60 mins, shorts and bathrob is given no need to carry extra gears, unless you want to.Thank you JamSam111.

[LoveItHere69]

We ended up each pulling our girls at the fishbowl place that charges 350 k. I picked the smallest prettiest girl I saw there but in the room her service was bad. BBBJ was rushed and unenthusiastic, only covered sex she wouldn't accept any amount of money for BBFS, and then she didn't want to take a selfie either. Very bitchy.Star Moon Bar. That ***** got me 2 months ago. Did not nut because she kept complaining. Stopped after just 10 minutes. I will make it a point to go there this week and try to get her name. Doubt I will be able to get a picture of her but I going to try. Then hope a bunch of you guys go there and tell the mami there that you want a good girl, but not that ***** XYZ. Let management know their business is getting a bad name. I complained to the mami and the manager. Hope you did the same. But probably not.

[LoveItHere69]

Anyone been having problems with horrible service girls in the past few months? Just curious if the small pretty face girl is the only bad apple there or if the bar is turing to shit meaning all many of the girls are giving horrible service and the bar knows it and thus making it a bar to now avoid.

[June Fly]

I'm planning a trip to Jakarta in Feb 17-25 and leave before Ramadan begins on Feb 28th. Checking if anyone knows whether businesses and activities will be operating as usual till a few days before the city quiets down for Ramadan.

[ILuvThePussy]

Terminal 5 I had to pay before with cash same as terminal 2.

Do you feel comfortable using credit card at these type of places.

Either your not having visa master card? Or your charged as a hotel type business service on your card by classic?

Visa master do block your card if they have issues with grey area business or back home country banks ethics or get flagged or even staff could swipe your card to be charged later and you end up with cancelled card.

If you stay only a week or two versus these staying months maybe better not use cards at these type of places?

BTW you should calculate total cost not just $23 per one.I have a capital one venture x which is a visa card. Just shows up as "NEW CLS. Other Services - $23.66". Nothing really to worry about. If it doesn't work I have cash on hand. If I get random charges I dispute pretty easily. If you don't care about BBFS then you're giving the girl a 100 k tip at most. Which is like another $6 I guess. There's not really any other costs.

[Chilli1]

My long report is lost not published.

Summary is same as others.

They give excuse big the, all smoke barely look at you, into phones, smoking.

I did get the worst service from one at wijaya 77 who delayed the 30 ins into 20 minutes check phone slow bath.

Then non stop talk too biig and say time up run outside.

Forum txt edit issues.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

So much BS is constantly posted and someone keeps deleting my posts or not even posting them at all so I can not correct the poster because it is "argumentative". The truth seems to be a huge problem.Such attitude. Nobody's stopping you from leaving if you don't like the info exchanged here. I have yet to see you post anything that's truly useful. You wouldn't be missed.

[NigerianPrince]

Have you seen any Tadalafil (Cialis) or Vardenafil?


They have been great so far. The Ericfil generic Viagra definately are real. And I haven't had anytjing dripping from my dick yet either so the doxycycline must be real too. The packaging shows that both are from local Indonesian pharmaceutical companies, not China or India.

-Gabacho.

[Expat American]

I was curious about the tracks quantity (roughly 50), quality (not good), attitude (pretty damn horrible), and is the accommodations passible (hell to the no). Also, curious since I read about it in the past and I am a street type guy. I had the time and the curiosity to visit. I consider it a public service announcement. All the other posts do not show the location (finding the ladders is no joy with all the locals staring at you knowing why you are there). Once you find one ladder and know what to look for it is no problem. No post describes the nitty gritty step by step details of what it is really like. One guy posted there are 40 girls in each of the bars near the tracks. But he never went in. Said there were lots of Japanese because someone said so. If you know anything about the Japanese and have been to the tracks you know that is wrong. I went in at start of the peak day and time to get the best feel for what the bars actually had available. Another guy posts 3 pictures of railroad tracks with no girls or what the dwellings look like (real helpful). I post 2 pictures that have real information: map of the location, location of the first staircase, and picture of a staircase so you know what you are looking for because easy to miss.

I would hate for some guy on a 1-2 week vacation wasting any amount of time there. I know I would be pissed off if I went there after reading a post about a place that a guy wrote wearing his fogged up rose colored beer goggles on one eye and a pirates patch on the other. So many guys always have to talk about their successes but never their failures (aka reality). I do that. Well not my successes. We all have those and no need to write literotica. Some guy posted about the size of their rod. Why? If someone asked him to post a dick pic, he probably would. He was wondering if he had a big rod because a prostitute told him so.

So much BS is constantly posted and someone keeps deleting my posts or not even posting them at all so I can not correct the poster because it is "argumentative". The truth seems to be a huge problem.

EA just answering your question. The rant was not about you. But I can not name names.I actually appreciate the info and the posts. I'm not above occasionally slumming to find gems, although now I'm more inclined to pay premiums for guaranteed hot girls with good service. Even Classic has lost its appeal, although its always a good back up if my other plans fall through. But the tracks sounds really low end with no upside. I tried Lokasari once and won't do it again, even our unnamed good friend had to admit it was crap. Agree with you about heavy handed moderation that seems to penalize posters who have long history of positing useful trip reports in favor of trolls.

[Pokeris]

Anyone been having problems with horrible service girls in the past few months? Just curious if the small pretty face girl is the only bad apple there or if the bar is turing to shit meaning all many of the girls are giving horrible service and the bar knows it and thus making it a bar to now avoid.We went here with gabacho on Saturday it was around 25-30 diffrent girls to choose but honestly just 2 girls was my type. Gabacho was quick and take the same girl I liked also the most (as we have simillar taste) but he get not so good service as he already reported. Mine girl was name ana 19 years old slim no kids but she was shy don't like I touch her pussy with my hand sex was just normal bare back blowjob and sex with condom I finish and left. Don't left any tip. Price was 350 k happy hour + 50 k for small bintang beer.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I'm planning a trip to Jakarta in Feb 17-25 and leave before Ramadan begins on Feb 28th. Checking if anyone knows whether businesses and activities will be operating as usual till a few days before the city quiets down for Ramadan.They'll be open and busy as ever as the girls are all trying to earn as much money as they can before heading home for the holiday month.

I may actually be there myself during February. Were you saying previously that you had success with Lokasari area girls? Instagram contacts possibly?

[Werqweq]

I was curious about the tracks quantity (roughly 50), quality (not good), attitude (pretty damn horrible), and is the accommodations passible (hell to the no). Also, curious since I read about it in the past and I am a street type guy. I had the time and the curiosity to visit. I consider it a public service announcement.
So much BS is constantly posted and someone keeps deleting my posts or not even posting them at all so I can not correct the poster because it is "argumentative". The truth seems to be a huge problem.

EA just answering your question. The rant was not about you. But I can not name names.

Your report was great. Fun to read too. The David Attenborough of Jakarta. ;-)
I'm not having that much free time during my coming 5-6 days in Jakarta (have to continue full-time work, though online), and it lets me know I should not spend time following in your sloppy footsteps. ;-)

EA recently also posted a really good report from Loksari if I remember correctly. Interesting reads from both of you.

[LoveItHere69]

At the street at Lokasari I could buy a "bunch" (two branches with leaves included for free) for 50,000 and then 40,000. No weighing. But hands were full with other purchases. Found same tree branches with leaves and fruit outside the mall with the two walking overpasses near Classic. He wanted 40,000 so I bought. No weighing. Good stuff. Went back 3 days later. Fool now wants to weigh it. Wants 100,000. WTF! Walked away. The stupidity bar of people just keeps getting raised higher and higher.

[Gabacho]

Have you seen any Tadalafil (Cialis) or Vardenafil?When I fist got here I had asked about tadalafil buy the 2 places I went to only had Cialis brand and it was very expensive so I told them no Thanks.

I don't remember the exact price. Verdenafil I have never looked for.

Gabacho.

[PartyAnimal]

I meant the part about the better business bureau as a joke. Obviously the BBB would have no jurisdiction in Indonesia and they arent much help even in the US where they do have jurisdiction.

You must not have much of a sense of humor.

But the rest of what GG and I were saying holds true. If you come to a place where most people get by on like $20 usd a day or less and your spending $125 a pop, you should atleast get a good value for that money. The OP posted that he didn't receive a good value, he said he got a lousy massage and a covered blow job (and by the way he sounded in his report it doesn't seem like he was the one who opted for the CBJ). He then said she was loose as a goose and had to get finished off by a hand job.

Not even in a high-roller's wildest imagination would that be considered a good service worthy of $125 usd.

Better yet why don't we ask the OP himself:

PartyAnimal were you satisfied with the service you got for 1. 9 million rupiah? Will you be going back to 1001 again to spend another 1. 9 m?

You don't have to answer that if you don't want to, I think the writing is on the wall.

Gabacho.Sorry guys. Gabacho, Gaijin and AmericanExpat. Busy with work and missed all your messages. All you 3 are correct in your opinions. Here is what I feel.

- For me I don't mind paying 1. 9 m which is still lower compared to some other places globally. What I think all of us look for is VFM. And in my experience with 1001, that didn't happen. Especially given these rates are significantly higher considering it's Indonesia, I was expecting a good quality of service.

- It's not about the CBJ, I infact prefer CBJ if the girl has a good technique. In my case the technique was missing. Plus the loose vagina didn't help at all.

- I'm sure 1001 will have girls with good service. But I don't want to spend another 1. 9 mn going blind. I had bad experience at Emporium but since superlove introduced me to Dave, it's been good so far. So if I find a good mamasan that gives me quality I don't mind going to 1001 again. It's just 1. 9 is a bad hit on pocket if you get poor service vs 350-400 k at classic.

- Just to clarify I've never been to classic as number of BBFS reports here make me a bit cautious. But it's just that my expectations from a 350 k place will be lower than 1. 9 mn.

- personally for me, the overall vibe, and quality of service matters to me the most, even if it comes at a premium.

- Just to add, some my greatest experiences in Jakarta have not been at these spas but pickups from bars. I think is because these places give you enough time to get the vibe with the girl and you know what you are getting into. This is irrespective of the price. I've had < 1 m. Local girls as well as 3 mn expat girls and had very different experiences.

- Lastly Gaijin bro. I'm sure you also have had few experiences where you didn't like the service. Same happened with me. Not sure why you think I have sucker written on my forehead for that.

[LoveItHere69]

The tall girl I mentioned before. Some black guy from what she thought was Africa used a cock ring 5 days ago and hurt her so she missed 3 days of work because of that POS.

Related: Philippines: Other Areas: #3401 where a S. Korean hurt a girl with a cock ring so bad the police were called and he paid big money for that mistake.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=2963479#post2963479.

Cock rings are not good for the girls. It gives them pain not pleasure!

[LoveItHere69]

Agree with you about heavy handed moderation that seems to penalize posters who have long history of positing useful trip reports in favor of trolls.I posted about a girl who had a baby but still nice body who had milk to share ay Classic. Some guys really like that and not easy to find so I post about unique girls. But it was deleted because I also bashed a guy for wrong info / lies in the same post.

[LoveItHere69]

Your post March 18,2024 You seem to go to Lokasari regularly so should not be asking someone's success with the Lokasari girls. Would you not already know the answer to this?


I saw at a shop at Lokasari and exchanged tiktoks so we then communicated through there. Total non-pro so she needed to be discreet, especially at her place of employ. I'm working on that same approach. Finding girls through tiktok. The whole thing seems rather random. My preferred method is how I got this one. Just smile and be friendly and ask for contact info of the girls who you see in the malls (esp Lokasari) who look at you for longer than a casual glance.Your post December 2, 2024.


I may actually be there myself during February. Were you saying previously that you had success with Lokasari area girls? Instagram contacts possibly?

[Chilli1]

Apotek meteora staff told can find price for generic and order if I pay.

Did not follow up.

Cheaper in other Asian countries.


Have you seen any Tadalafil (Cialis) or Vardenafil?

[StinkyFeet]

I am non habitual cock ring user lmao not sure how one can injure girl maybe it was a special kind? I have the silicone variety and had fun with a few Chinese / Japanese / Korean girls with it. One girl even stretched it over to her tiny wrist while showering together lmao. If it was just over fking then any guy in great shape with some youth can just do that I would think.


The tall girl I mentioned before. Some black guy from what she thought was Africa used a cock ring 5 days ago and hurt her so she missed 3 days of work because of that POS.

Related: Philippines: Other Areas: #3401 where a S. Korean hurt a girl with a cock ring so bad the police were called and he paid big money for that mistake.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=2963479#post2963479.

Cock rings are not good for the girls. It gives them pain not pleasure!

[Gaijin Gigolo]

- Lastly Gaijin bro. I'm sure you also have had few experiences where you didn't like the service. Same happened with me. Not sure why you think I have sucker written on my forehead for that.Of course I've had subpar service before but never for that price.

Because you paid 1. 9 M for a bad blowjob, LOL.

[Expat American]

- Just to clarify I've never been to classic as number of BBFS reports here make me a bit cautious. But it's just that my expectations from a 350 k place will be lower than 1. 9 mn.

.I find this to be a curious statement. Every girl is fucking someone bareback. It doesn't matter the venue. If you are concerned and wear a condom (which is perfectly reasonable), then why does it matter? Just because a girl is working in high end place doesn't mean she always uses protection. I (and others) have easily got BBFS in places like Emporium as well. And even if a girl insists on rubber in her workplace, she probably has boyfriends, sponsors and assorted other people fucking her bareback anyway. So if you are truly that worried, you need to be monogamous with someone you are also sure is monogamous. Which defeats the whole purpose of this board!!

[ILuvThePussy]

The tall girl I mentioned before. Some black guy from what she thought was Africa used a cock ring 5 days ago and hurt her so she missed 3 days of work because of that POS.

Related: Philippines: Other Areas: #3401 where a S. Korean hurt a girl with a cock ring so bad the police were called and he paid big money for that mistake.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=2963479#post2963479.

Cock rings are not good for the girls. It gives them pain not pleasure!Dude I fucked the same girl a couple days ago. Sweet girl. She was bleeding all over the place I had to stop. Freaked me out because we were bare backing and then she said African so my mind just went to HIV. Cleaned my dick real good after that.

[Sappulmo]

Day 1.

Hi guys, this is my second trip to Jakarta. I cam with my friends in April this year, this time I came alone. Landed at 10.30 AM in the airport, VOA took about 30 minutes. Booked a Gojek from their kiosk in the airport and went to the hotel Holiday inn Wahid hasyim. There aren't much reports on this holiday inn, but I booked this because of it's central location. The hotel is good, got the room within half hour of going there. I got a headache, so slept for 2 hours. The plan is to meet a Seeking girl for the night. She came promptly at 7. 30 PM and I went down to the lobby to pick her. The lifts need the keycard, so everytime someone comes you have to go down. It was a nice experience with her, did 2 sessions in the night and one more session in the morning. She is good in DFK, BBJ and cooperative in sex. 2 million total for the girl and it was a satisfying experience.

Day 2.

Today was a holiday because of some local election and streets were empty. I did not know it was a holiday, I went to play golf to PIK. I did not have any reservation for tee time. Unfortunately the golf courses there were fully booked and I could not play golf. Came back to the hotel in Gojek, had some whiskey and slept for some time. Thought of going to Classic or some otherbars but it was still afternoon. My other seeking girl messaged me that she will come tonight. I met her in my last trip and it was one of my best experiences till now. So didn't want to miss meeting her. Dropped the idea of going to classic and went to malls nearby. The plaza Indonesia mall and the grand Indonesia mall are with in walking distnace from the hotel. It rained heavily in the evening and I got stuch in the mall. Came to hotel at 8 Pm, drank some whiskey and waited for the girl to come. She came at 10.30 and I went down to the lobby to pick her. Nobody objected to anything, the staff were very friendly. I did not expect the experience to get better this time with this lady because it was such a good experience earlier, but somehow the first session got better than last time. It was pure passionate sex, it wa s a combination of GFE and PSE. I did anal this time although it was brief. I took some videos and she was cooperating fully to that. Like last time, I knew this is going to be my best experience in Jakarta, but I did not know at that time there is going to be some other experience which is going to match this one or even better this one. I had another session in the morning and she left at 7 AM. I gave 3 million, although she asked 4 million. She is costly but she is worth in my opinion.

Day 3.

Went to play golf in PIK again, this time I could play golf and it was nice. Came to hotel at 3 pm, had some rest. Booked a Gojek bike and went to Classic at 6 pm. This was my first time in Classic, in the last trip we went to 1001 and Emporium, but we did not go to Classic. Anyway there isn't much to write, there are a lot of detailed reports on Classic. Took 2 girls for 3 some for 500 k. There isn't much to write about the experience, it was probably a mistake taking 2 girls. The sex was mechanical, although BBJ of 1st girl was good. It was a very average experience for me, the girls weren't involved in the act that much. I saw some good looking girls in Classic, so it all depends on luck and your persuasion. Went to Malio around 9. 30 PM and not many people were there. There were less dancers, compared to last time. Probably it was too early. Had 2 drinks there, spent an hour looking at the girls. Some girls approached me and asked for drinks, but I said I am not interested. There are some good looking girls there, but they are expensive and we don't know about the service, so I was there just to enjoy the music and see the girls. Went to CJ's from there and there wasn't much people there also. You have to buy a drink to get entry and the price starts at 250 k. Anyway I was very much disappointed with the quality there. 2 ladies approached me and offered to come to the hotel, but wasn't interested in them. Stayed there for 1 hour, came back to the hotel and slept.

Day 4.

The plan today was to play golf in the morning and go to Emporium in the evening. A lot of seeking and tinder girls were messaging to meet, so I was not sure to call a girl to the hotel or go to emporium and spend on a girl there. In the end I leaned towards the Seeking girl and I messaged her to come in the evening. Went to a different golf course this time and the caddies there are in tight body hugging outfits compared to yesterdays golf course. Female caddies are a feature in the SE Asian golf courses in countries like Vietnam, thailand and Indonesia. My last trip to Jakarta I got a really good looking, young caddie, she wasn't ready to meet me outside after the golf. I was disappointed that I could not pursue any further, as it was my last day in Jakarta. This time also I got a good looking, English speaking, young caddie. I wasn't going to miss the opportunity this time. I flirted with her carefully, did not want to be too pushy. I gave enough hints to her that I am staying alone and I was looking for company in the evening. By the end of the round got her WA number and gave her a good tip (Tip to caddies is mandatory). I said I would send message on WA and she said she will see and reply. I got back to the hotel, and sent messages implying that I am ready to give her some gifts if she is ready to meet. She was hesitant at first but agreed to come in the end. Long story short, it turned out to be one of the best experiences I ever had and it was the highlight of my trip. Every golfer I know wants to fuck the female caddies they play with, only a few accomplish the task. She bacame wild in the bed, her BBBJ was awesome and I did anal also. Finished with CIM, she did not swallow but that was fine. Excellent experience to sign off a really good trip.

Day 5 o.

Time to catch the flight in the afternoon, so did not do anything.

Some tips for mongers.

1) Bring USD in pristine condition, people here don't accept notes if they are wrinkled or if there are any spots on them. I could not exchange a 100 USD note in a relatively good condition.

2) I used Gojek mostly as I found it to be slightly cheaper than Grab. I linked the account with my Visa credit card and it was pretty useful, you don't have to search for change everytime you order a Gojek.

3) No need to take e visa, Visa on arrival is pretty quick.

4) Most of the hotels are girl friendly and there is no problem bringing anyone to the room. I stayed in Holday inn wahid hasyim and Aloft wahid hasyim and both are cool in bringing girls. They don't ask for the ID of the girl also.

5) Girls here are pretty, mostly straight forward and good in bed. Less scammers here compared to other countries. One of my friends said Jakarta is Jannat (heaven) and I vouch for that, you won't regret coming here.

[Gabacho]

Dude I fucked the same girl a couple days ago. Sweet girl. She was bleeding all over the place I had to stop. Freaked me out because we were bare backing and then she said African so my mind just went to HIV. Cleaned my dick real good after that.Make sure to use antibacterial soap and then put some clotrimazole cream on it.

[Pokeris]

Want here around 22.00 pm walk near KFC mamasan stop me and ask if I want a girl I ask how much she said 500 I said no 300 and she quickly agree. We walk 20 metres more and she show me 5 girls sitting all was ugly maybe just one so so but I told I comeback later (as I was not interested to pay 300 for this low quality of girls). She also shows her phone with other 3-4 girls photos and said they can come now if you want one was cute but I was not so desperate take girl from phone as I have one girl 2 hours before already at travel hotel so was fine and I just left. But when I just almost left lokasari and was near manga besar street another mamasan was walking my side with a cute, slim petite.

Girl I liked her straight away and ask how much mamasan said I give you good price 500. I told her good price is 300 and she quickly agree and ask where is my hotel? I told I we go short time hotel! I pay 300 for mamasan and walk short time hotel name (hotel FF) opposite KFC with a girl pay for a room 110 k. The girl was cutie very small, 20 years old name angun with braces on her teeth nice boobs and body no baby. Service was good also bare blowjob, sex without condom cum into pussy some selfies. Not asking for a tip I don't tip also. After last 4 days taking girls from travel twice, from classic twice, from kota indah once fucking 2 normal girls from tinder just for paying food and drinks Lokasari was fun experience somehow for some changes.

[Chilli1]

How you do that?

Do you stay in luxury hotel room and they glad to visit you.

Most on seeking are upfront either per meet payment or weekly monthly upfront?




I've fucked 2 Seeking girls for free and have a date with a third tonight.

All the girls I've been with have had professional jobs (one was an Engineer, another owned a couple of businesses, and the third is a graphic designer) and speak perfect English.

[Offshore Swell]

Of course I've had subpar service before but never for that price.

Because you paid 1. 9 M for a bad blowjob, LOL.OS is always puzzled about the cohort of punters who want to post about their perfect Jakarta experience, how they got the most beautiful girl, how they paid next to nothing for her. How they threw a pile of keywords into the tumbler and out popped a report about Classic. It's just plain boring.

Mr Party Animal posted about his less than ideal experience at 1001 or Emporium (can't remember which), and a whole pile of these instagram influencers jump on him.

It's his money, he stated that he didn't really care about the cost and he is free to spend it how he likes. Maybe he has got lots of money. Maybe he flies at the front of the plane and doesn't work as a janitor to scrimp and save every dollar for his annual sex vacation to Jakarta. Some of us have worked hard all our lives to fund this habit and understand that punting has it's risks. Writing about the fails is way more interesting than reading about everybody's instagram trip to Classic. When you are a true monger, you get this. You have a bad experience, you write of the investment and move on.

OS understands that for some of you. These may be eye wateringly large amounts of money to go missing in action but that's what we all sign up for when we play the game. None of them are reasons to be piling onto the gentleman for writing about his bad experience, although OS does wonder if he could have capitalised on that super loose pussy with a little fisting session.

[Gabacho]

I went back to Travel yesterday around 7 pm. This time it wasn't so packed with customers and there's no wait time for getting a room after picking my girl. I picked this really super pretty one that looks more Arab or Persian looking than Asian (more narrow face and narrow pointier nose). Very attractive, reminds me of princess jasmine from the cartoon version of Aladdin.

This time it was 375 k for the girl. Get her into the room and attempt to negotiate BBFS for 150 k but she says 300 k I counter with 200 k but she doesn't accept and I decline her offer of 300 k. She puts on condom and does CBJ (I literally can't even feel anything) and the stupid condom was really small and hurting my dick.

Finally I get hard and she gets on top and starts riding. Again I can't feel shit. Finally after like 25 mins of fucking and not being able to cum I tell her "tidak punya tidak sudah" she then says to me "dua ratus tanpa condom"(200 without condom) and I agree.

I reach down and pull the dick strangulating rubber off of my cock and throw it onto the floor and proceed to bareback princess jasmine. Instantly it feels so much better, nice tight pussy, feels like a slippery wet glove gripping my shaft and dick head absolutely blissful, felt amazing. This causes blanquito to get even harder and I start fucking her as hard as I can.

I then have her flip over into the bocabajo position and use the mattress to slam her really hard and fast into my pelvic area at full force, thrusting my cock deep inside her until finally the magic moment occurs and blanquito blows his load inside of princess jasmine. Marvelous.

The phone rang shortly after while she was in the shower and I was catching my breath. Gave her the 200 k tip as per the agreement and got some selfies too.

This time they did not waive the 14 k entrance fee upon leaving to total cost was 375 k plus 14 k so it was 389 k total. I think classic is a better deal to be honest and classic at classic I had more girls accept 150 k for BBFS. But it was fun to try classic out for a change of venue.

-Gabacho.

[June Fly]

For my upcoming trip, I'm thinking of staying in either Blok M or Central Jakarta and travel to North Jakarta bars Classic, Kota Indah afternoons / evenings, then head back to my hotel to rest for a bit before hitting freelancer pickup bars BATS, CJ, Eastern Promise, Basque in South Jakarta.

In reading the forum, most (myself included) prefer hotels in North Jakarta because of proximity. My main issue with North Jakarta is that it lacks a lively nightlife scene for fun parties. Most of the popular nightclubs, Superhouse, Dragonfly and Tiger Club, are in South Jakarta / Kemang. Even some of the local girls I've spoken to mentioned that North Jakarta isn't very exciting, and we ended up heading to South Jakarta instead. South Jakarta doesn't seem too bad a quick Google search reveals plenty of bars, restaurants, and SPAs around Blok M, unless they've become outdated.

Has anyone done this? Can you share your experience?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

While the first few girls I got from Lokasari, namely Rizma (or Riza) whom was recommended by June Fly, and her friends, turned out to be garbage, I have actually found a few diamonds in the rough there.

I've gone back several times and fucked about 7 lokasari girls total now, I've used Hotel FF, Safari Hotel, Arcadia Hotel, and Tangki Residence 2 (over behind sparks hotel) and honestly I've had about 3 really good gems I have found in and around lokasari.

I had one beauty just the other day named Adelia who could have just as easily worked at Classic. 19 years old, no baby, cute face, bbfscip and service with a smile. I shared my experiences with Pokeris over some Bintang beers at his rooftop restaurant and he decided to go to Lokasari as well and sounds like he also found a diamond in the rough.

So while many of the Lokasari street girls are lacking in the way of looks and services, there are some really great gems to be found there if you are willing to put in the time and effort to find them and not give up after running into a cpl bad apples.

-Gabacho.Good to know, thanks for the update. I definitely will be spending some time there during my visit which commences in Jan or Feb. I'm not asking for your contacts, but do the girls / mamasans share the IG handles or other social media of their friends who are also in the game? Cheers, mate.

To ExpatAmerican, from another expat American with 20 years experience living in Asia, Lokasari is only "crap" if you don't know what you're doing.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

It's his money, he stated that he didn't really care about the cost and he is free to spend it how he likes. He also said he didn't enjoy the experience, yet he paid 1. 9 M. Pretty high price for Jakarta and pretty stupid any way you look at it as far as I'm concerned.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

How you do that?

Do you stay in luxury hotel room and they glad to visit you.

Most on seeking are upfront either per meet payment or weekly monthly upfront?Chilli1, I seriously doubt ExpatAmerican has ever fked anyone for free, especially someone from SA. Take whatever he says with a HUGE grain of salt.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Want here around 22.00 pm walk near KFC mamasan stop me and ask if I want a girl I ask how much she said 500 I said no 300 and she quickly agree. We walk 20 metres more and she show me 5 girls sitting all was ugly maybe just one so so but I told I comeback later (as I was not interested to pay 300 for this low quality of girls). She also shows her phone with other 3-4 girls photos and said they can come now if you want one was cute but I was not so desperate take girl from phone as I have one girl 2 hours before already at travel hotel so was fine and I just left. But when I just almost left lokasari and was near manga besar street another mamasan was walking my side with a cute, slim petite.

Girl I liked her straight away and ask how much mamasan said I give you good price 500. I told her good price is 300 and she quickly agree and ask where is my hotel? I told I we go short time hotel! I pay 300 for mamasan and walk short time hotel name (hotel FF) opposite KFC with a girl pay for a room 110 k. The girl was cutie very small, 20 years old name angun with braces on her teeth nice boobs and body no baby. Service was good also bare blowjob, sex without condom cum into pussy some selfies. Not asking for a tip I don't tip also. After last 4 days taking girls from travel twice, from classic twice, from kota indah once fucking 2 normal girls from tinder just for paying food and drinks Lokasari was fun experience somehow for some changes.Nice report and thanks for those numbers. This is exactly what I'm looking for. Classic, Travel, etc. Are just too easy with no adventure involved. I'll use those as a backup plan.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

For my upcoming trip, I'm thinking of staying in either Blok M or Central Jakarta and travel to North Jakarta bars Classic, Kota Indah afternoons / evenings, then head back to my hotel to rest for a bit before hitting freelancer pickup bars BATS, CJ, Eastern Promise, Basque in South Jakarta.

In reading the forum, most (myself included) prefer hotels in North Jakarta because of proximity. My main issue with North Jakarta is that it lacks a lively nightlife scene for fun parties. Most of the popular nightclubs, Superhouse, Dragonfly and Tiger Club, are in South Jakarta / Kemang. Even some of the local girls I've spoken to mentioned that North Jakarta isn't very exciting, and we ended up heading to South Jakarta instead. South Jakarta doesn't seem too bad a quick Google search reveals plenty of bars, restaurants, and SPAs around Blok M, unless they've become outdated.

Has anyone done this? Can you share your experience?Perhaps something I will look into doing as well. Looking into using the MRT system to that effect as I'm not a fan of sitting in traffic in a grab car. Blok M is intriguing, but as far as I've heard, it's all MILFs and other such women who are long past their expiration date. On the other hand, the malls there hold some potential, I would think.

[Expat American]

OS is always puzzled about the cohort of punters who want to post about their perfect Jakarta experience, how they got the most beautiful girl, how they paid next to nothing for her. How they threw a pile of keywords into the tumbler and out popped a report about Classic. It's just plain boring.

Mr Party Animal posted about his less than ideal experience at 1001 or Emporium (can't remember which), and a whole pile of these instagram influencers jump on him.

It's his money, he stated that he didn't really care about the cost and he is free to spend it how he likes. Maybe he has got lots of money. Maybe he flies at the front of the plane and doesn't work as a janitor to scrimp and save every dollar for his annual sex vacation to Jakarta. Some of us have worked hard all our lives to fund this habit and understand that punting has it's risks. Writing about the fails is way more interesting than reading about everybody's instagram trip to Classic. When you are a true monger, you get this. You have a bad experience, you write of the investment and move on.

OS understands that for some of you. These may be eye wateringly large amounts of money to go missing in action but that's what we all sign up for when we play the game. None of them are reasons to be piling onto the gentleman for writing about his bad experience, although OS does wonder if he could have capitalised on that super loose pussy with a little fisting session.Well said. There are a those that come for a short visit, fly business class, stay in 5* hotels and don't mind paying premium for good service from hot girls. Others fly coach with three stops, come for months, stay in $9/ night airbnb and feel happy when they can get away tipping a girl $3 instead of $6 for BBFS. To each their own I suppose.

[KrisMonger]

For my upcoming trip, I'm thinking of staying in either Blok M or Central Jakarta and travel to North Jakarta bars Classic, Kota Indah afternoons / evenings, then head back to my hotel to rest for a bit before hitting freelancer pickup bars BATS, CJ, Eastern Promise, Basque in South Jakarta.

In reading the forum, most (myself included) prefer hotels in North Jakarta because of proximity. My main issue with North Jakarta is that it lacks a lively nightlife scene for fun parties. Most of the popular nightclubs, Superhouse, Dragonfly and Tiger Club, are in South Jakarta / Kemang. Even some of the local girls I've spoken to mentioned that North Jakarta isn't very exciting, and we ended up heading to South Jakarta instead. South Jakarta doesn't seem too bad a quick Google search reveals plenty of bars, restaurants, and SPAs around Blok M, unless they've become outdated.

Has anyone done this? Can you share your experience?I am doing the same thing based on my visit in the past and exactly the same input from the girls I met last time. I also spent more time coming to Central Jakarta which had better bars and restaurants. Yes it does take time to get to Classic (and with Jakarta traffic it can be a pain) -but unless you plan to go to classic / emporium multiple times a day -central Jakarta is better.

[Werqweq]

How you do that?

Do you stay in luxury hotel room and they glad to visit you.

Most on seeking are upfront either per meet payment or weekly monthly upfront?Yes, please tell EA. I temporarily created an account on seeking some weeks ago, but deleted it as it's not really my cup of tea I think. But if there are girls there looking for normal dates, like on the dating apps, I'll certainly be more interested.

[Werqweq]

Of course I've had subpar service before but never for that price.

Because you paid 1. 9 M for a bad blowjob, LOL.Senseless argumentative drama.

We've all had bad experiences, some more expensive than others. Bad experiences are just as interesting, if not more so, than ordinary / nothing special experiences, and something to learn from. Good report from PartyAnimal.

[PartyAnimal]

Reached around 10:30. Good live music which I like about this place. Especially on Fridays. 20-25 girls. Mostly milfs some good. One girl looks at me in the eye and comes over. I speak to her for 10-15 minutes. Buy her a drink but she smells of smoke which is a deal breaker so I call it off. Have my eyes on an 8 on 10 who is dancing. Unsure if she is FL, so I try to make eye contact but she doesn't look. I see guys approaching her but no long conversations. I am thinking maybe she is not an FL but little head wants to think otherwise. Around 12:30 am I go to buy a new drink next to her and finally I say Hi. I ask her if I can buy her a drink and she says thank you but is upfront she wants 4 m for the night. Her upfront attitude comes across as someone who may be mechanical in bed so I politely decline. I sit at the bar area and a nice lady comes to me. Starts small talk. I buy her a drink and after 15-20 min she is grinding her ass over my pants. Given it's around 1:30 now and I have early morning flight I am now not in mood to take her but again. Anyways I tell her I'm tired and will leave soon. She goes to toilet and some guy follows her. After 10-15 min she is back and tells me she is afraid of the other guy (don't remember the exact term), but she literally begs me to take her out of the place. I know she is trying to play me, but her seduction works and I take her to hotel. She says thank you all the way during the taxi ride. When we reach our hotel she tells this guy was troubling her since early night and he was asking her to do some stuff she didn't want, that's why she loved that I was able to take her away from him, and kisses me. This leads to more and soon she has my dick in her mouth. Like I've mentioned, I usually opt for CBJ, but this happened very quickly and seductively. 15-20 minutes of pure bliss when I literally cum in her throat and she drinks it all. Then she cleans my dick with her mouth and I almost want to pee and I tell her this. She says she is ok with that but not something I am so I go to washroom. This is followed by an hour long of cuddle and small talk which makes me feel super loved. It's already 4 am almost and she asks if I want her to stay. Given I have a flight in 6 hours I ask her to leave and also ask if she is ok with 800 k vs 1 mn we agreed for full night, specially because we didn't fuck. Surprisingly, she is ok with it. I pay her and she asks me to join her in shower. We shower for 15 min where she cleans me up, gives me a short BJ but not to cum. Once she confirms I am all cleaned up, she washes herself, brushes her teeth and leaves. Amazing experience but I didn't take her number. Sleep for 2 hours and then checkout for my flight.

[PartyAnimal]

How you do that?

Do you stay in luxury hotel room and they glad to visit you.

Most on seeking are upfront either per meet payment or weekly monthly upfront?Not americanexpat but indeed Indonesian girls are more horny in my opinion so it helps.

Maybe he is a young handsome looking chap that attract girls by his profile.

I've had a few girls (not ID), who were happy with some good dinner, a great clubbing experience and good hotel to make love for free. But yes, these are exceptions than norm unless you are like young Tom Cruise.

[Expat American]

Not americanexpat but indeed Indonesian girls are more horny in my opinion so it helps.

Maybe he is a young handsome looking chap that attract girls by his profile.

I've had a few girls (not ID), who were happy with some good dinner, a great clubbing experience and good hotel to make love for free. But yes, these are exceptions than norm unless you are like young Tom Cruise.Not sure what you mean. I do stay in upscale hotels and am happy to take SA or other non pro girls out for a nice meal and drinks. And yes I have met several who didn't expect to get paid at the end. And yes they were actually pretty hot. And no, I am not young (but maybe handsome, at least according to my wife).

Look guys, there are playgrounds for the poor, and playgrounds for the rich. Choose your playground and enjoy it. You will have good and bad experiences everywhere. Thats all there is to this. No need to worry what others are willing or not to spend and no need for jealousy. If Seeking is not your preferred playground, great, no worries. You can go to Classic and if that's too expensive there are even cheaper options (like the tracks). I have tried all the options and they have pros and cons, but now I lean to the higher end.

In all cases I treat the girls kindly and always tip. Indon girls are the sweetest girls in Asia and I hope you tip even in the low end joints. That extra $6 (100 K) is nothing to you and very meaningful to a girl in Classic who gets less than half of what you paid the house. And I don't penalize a girl for refusing BBFS. That and anal is universally considered a discretionary upgrade. So as long as the basics are provided with no big negatives, a tip is warranted. If you are too cheap for that, I feel sorry for the poor girl who had to service you.

This strategy works for me and I have had 99% good experiences in Jakarta, better than anywhere else in Asia. If you are getting a different outcome I suggest a look in the mirror.

[Lumens]

Not americanexpat but indeed Indonesian girls are more horny in my opinion so it helps.

Maybe he is a young handsome looking chap that attract girls by his profile.

I've had a few girls (not ID), who were happy with some good dinner, a great clubbing experience and good hotel to make love for free. But yes, these are exceptions than norm unless you are like young Tom Cruise.After reading here about people using seeking I saw they had a price deal about 2 weeks ago and signed up. I am going to try out for the month and see what happens. At the moment for every 3 ladies that want some form of money transaction there will be 1 that is more ambigous about whether its a free love date. So far I have one confirmed free love date. Of the onese asking about monet the ammount being asked has ranged from 3 - 6. Initially I thought the one who asked 6 was just bargining from a high position expecting to get a low counter offer. Nope. Someone somewhere is paying that. We were both polite when we said good luck to each other. I gave myself until Christmas to cancel or renew. I do know this; If you are White guy below the age of 50 and are not overweight and look like you can tie your shoes and eat with your mouth closed you will get laid off of Tinder if you want. However, in my oppinion it is way to much work considering I can just go down to the spa and get a hottie instantly.

[PartyAnimal]

Hi all,

Apart from 1001, any other alternates to experience good Western / Middle Eastern babes?

[June Fly]

Good to know, thanks for the update. I definitely will be spending some time there during my visit which commences in Jan or Feb. I'm not asking for your contacts, but do the girls / mamasans share the IG handles or other social media of their friends who are also in the game? Cheers, mate.

To ExpatAmerican, from another expat American with 20 years experience living in Asia, Lokasari is only "crap" if you don't know what you're doing.

This is in response to Gabacho's original report that is now deleted. "While the first few girls I got from Lokasari, namely Rizma (or Riza) whom was recommended by June Fly, and her friends, turned out to be garbage, I have actually found a few diamonds in the rough there."

In your earlier report (Report #18987), you said Risma's friend Deby was good and thanking me even though Rizma's was sub-par which I mentioned to you when I shared her contact. Now you are saying all her friends are garbage and attributing it to me. Which one is true here? Does anyone else see a pattern here? This is exactly why I stopped sharing contacts, whether they are good or bad because everyone's experience and recollection is different with someone or their friends. My reference was just based on my one interaction that lasted less than an hour, not having known her or her friends for years. And I don't want to be responsible if you got screwed, or you didn't get to screw. We are a meal ticket for them and they are a little diversion for us. We have to use the big head for thinking, and the little head for pleasure.

[Gabacho]

This is in response to Gabacho's original report that is now deleted. "While the first few girls I got from Lokasari, namely Rizma (or Riza) whom was recommended by June Fly, and her friends, turned out to be garbage, I have actually found a few diamonds in the rough there."

In your earlier report (Report #18987), you said Risma's friend Deby was good and thanking me even though Rizma's was sub-par which I mentioned to you when I shared her contact. Now you are saying all her friends are garbage and attributing it to me. Which one is true here? Does anyone else see a pattern here? This is exactly why I stopped sharing contacts, whether they are good or bad because everyone's experience and recollection is different with someone or their friends. My reference was just based on my one interaction that lasted less than an hour, not having known her or her friends for years. And I don't want to be responsible if you got screwed, or you didn't get to screw. We are a meal ticket for them and they are a little diversion for us. We have to use the big head for thinking, and the little head for pleasure.Bro,

I wasn't blaming you for the bad experience I had with her. I simply mentioned that she had been recommended to me by you. And at the time I did think Deby and her other skinny friend were good, in comparison to Rizma herself they actually were good. But that was before I discovered Classic and Travel and discovered the difference in level of service between them and what I get now at these other establishments.

I know that everyone's mileage may vary and I was in no way blaming you for the bad experience that I had with her.

I realized after I wrote that post that it may be argumentative and that is why I deleted it. That wasn't my intention, just trying to clarify about lokasari was all I meant to do.

Funny thing by the way I was just at the red star hotel with Pokeris after another epic trip to travel and guess who walked up to us of all people, Rizma and the cross-eyed papasan dude, LOL. She was asking me why I blocked her on WhatsApp and telling me to unblock her LOL. I quickly hopped on a gojek and made my get away from her.

Gabacho.

[June Fly]

Day 1.

Hi guys, this is my second trip to Jakarta. I cam with my friends in April this year, this time I came alone. Landed at 10.30 AM in the airport, VOA took about 30 minutes. Booked a Gojek from their kiosk in the airport and went to the hotel Holiday inn Wahid hasyim. There aren't much reports on this holiday inn, but I booked this because of it's central location. The hotel is good, got the room within half hour of going there. I got a headache, so slept for 2 hours. The plan is to meet a Seeking girl for the night. She came promptly at 7. 30 PM and I went down to the lobby to pick her. The lifts need the keycard, so everytime someone comes you have to go down. It was a nice experience with her, did 2 sessions in the night and one more session in the morning. She is good in DFK, BBJ and cooperative in sex. 2 million total for the girl and it was a satisfying experience.

Some tips for mongers.

1) Bring USD in pristine condition, people here don't accept notes if they are wrinkled or if there are any spots on them. I could not exchange a 100 USD note in a relatively good condition.

Great report and tips. I used these money exchange services at different times, and they all allowed me to make the exchanges of not too shabby USD and leftover Singapore Dollars, Thai Bhat, and Malaysian Ringgit from my previous trips to Indonesian Rupiah without much hassle just showing my passport on my phone. Primatama even let me exchange without an ID because the cashier girl recognized me after a couple of times.

1. Primatama Money Changer. It's very close to Holiday Inn Gajah Mada.

2. Dolarindo Samanhudi. It's right next to Classic.

3. P. T Paramas Murni. A 5 min walk from Kota Indah bars.

[LoveItHere69]

I used these money exchange services at different times, and they all allowed me to make the exchanges of not too shabby USD and leftover Singapore Dollars, Thai Bhat, and Malaysian Ringgit from my previous trips to Indonesian Rupiah without much hassle just showing my passport on my phone. I do not think so. All my money was like brand new. One place wante to give me less money for a bill. Another one would not accept at all because of a small ink stain. They bills have to be like new rather than "not too shabby".

[AddictedToWomen]

Senseless argumentative drama.

We've all had bad experiences, some more expensive than others. Bad experiences are just as interesting, if not more so, than ordinary / nothing special experiences, and something to learn...Indeed: All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.

[GCNovice]

Hi,

I haven't been back to Jarkata since late 2020, and finally decided to go back in mid 2025. Last time I was there, Classic Hotel ATM provided better exchange rates than the money exchange place near Classic. It was a few hundreds IDR different per 1 USD. Can't recall.

Anyone on the ground that could / have compared the exchange rates between ATM and money exchanger; report which is better? TIA!

[PartyAnimal]

Not sure what you mean. I do stay in upscale hotels and am happy to take SA or other non pro girls out for a nice meal and drinks. And yes I have met several who didn't expect to get paid at the end. And yes they were actually pretty hot. And no, I am not young (but maybe handsome, at least according to my wife).

.I just meant I am on ExpactAmerican but here is my experience (which I shared in my post).

[Gabacho]

Good to know, thanks for the update. I definitely will be spending some time there during my visit which commences in Jan or Feb. I'm not asking for your contacts, but do the girls / mamasans share the IG handles or other social media of their friends who are also in the game? Cheers, mate.

To ExpatAmerican, from another expat American with 20 years experience living in Asia, Lokasari is only "crap" if you don't know what you're doing.In my experience they are all using WhatsApp which is a messaging app. Make sure you have WhatsApp when you get here as that is how everyone communicates. I am not on social media such as Twitter or Instagram so I don't know if they use those apps or not but I think with WhatsApp you should be fine.

[Gabacho]

Chilli1, I seriously doubt ExpatAmerican has ever fked anyone for free, especially someone from SA. Take whatever he says with a HUGE grain of salt.Exactly, there are those of us who admit that we pay for sex and report about our experiences to help other mongers along the way. And then there are those guys who make up fake stories about fucking girls for free from SA or using a fake service called "grab feel" to grope women on motorcycles just trying to earn an honest living, in order to impress their internet buddies and to stroke their massive "I am better than you because I pay more than you" arrogant egos.

-Gabacho.

[Gabacho]

Hi,

I haven't been back to Jarkata since late 2020, and finally decided to go back in mid 2025. Last time I was there, Classic Hotel ATM provided better exchange rates than the money exchange place near Classic. It was a few hundreds IDR different per 1 USD. Can't recall.

Anyone on the ground that could / have compared the exchange rates between ATM and money exchanger; report which is better? TIA!ATMs always offer better exchange rates than money exchange kiosks. Make sure to use a debit card that doesn't charge any foreign ATM fees such as Capital One, Charles Schwab, or Fidelity and always make sure to decline the ATM exchange rate if it offers one.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.

[DaveTheKnave]

Hi Seniors, I just subscribed to the membership and I have never been anywhere except Pattaya / Bangkok.

Jakarta and Pattaya / Bangkok are both equally accessible for me (100 USD round trip) and I can do them on weekends.

I am looking for help to compare Jakarta to Pattaya in terms of few parameters before I decide my next trip (whether to go again to Pattaya or try Jakarta):

1. Looks. I like Thai girls but I like Asian looking girls more (read China, Japan, Vietnam).

2. Avenues to find girls. Is Freelancing prominent like ThaiFriendly app or just very few chicks on the road.

3. ST cost for bar girls inside the bar (including any bar fine).

4. ST cost for freelancers.

5. Police. In Pattaya, no bar gets raided LOL. But I hear news in Indonesia.

6. Is classic the only place here because that's all I read LOL.

Help much appreciated.Greetings,

If you're coming to Jakarta for the first time, you'll find the prices cheaper than Pattaya but the biggest problem for me is finding proper food. TGI Fridays, Tony Romas, Outback Steakhouse, etc. Have all closed leaving you to search Italian restaurants dotted around the city or the big hotels in Sudirman business area. Do not stay in Blok M. I was there last year and the whole place around Jalan Phelatan has completely closed down. Having said that, I was there 2 months ago and there was one club or more like a restaurant / bar with girls, opens at 6 or 8 PM on the street at Hotel Phelatan, about 40 meters up on the left.

You don't have to worry about girls coming to the hotel. There was some concern about new legislation recently, but nothing came of it. You can always email the hotels before and check. Just make sure you book the room for 2 persons, especially if it includes breakfast. I have stayed at the Ritz, the Meridien, Holiday Inn, Mayflower, Swiss and they don't even ask for the girl's ID. You can pull girls out of the bars at any of those hotels but they are going to cost you about 3 mil.

If you are a first timer, you will want to stay in North Jakarta because that is where most of the good brothels are. The Classic hotel is all you really need. I stayed at the Mercure Manga Dua last time for less than $50 night including breakfast for 2 and a bathtub. This is a must for me. All the girls I've taken back with me all say that having a hot bath is the first time in their lives. Imagine that. Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia. Sitting in a hot bath for an hour with a beautiful 20 year old Asian girl is the ultimate for me. I also need a balcony, but getting a hotel with balcony, breakfast AND bath is a bit much to ask these days. Even the Ritz Carlton Kuningan, Marriott and Meridien didn't have balconies.

Just go to the Classic. Second floor- there are 200 girls in there and they all cost 365,000 Rp. For 1 hour. Ask her for her Whatsapp number or phone because sooner or later you'll want a girl to spend the night. Arranging for a bar girl to spend the night isn't that difficult but remember that they are cheating the club out of their commission, so it's a bit tricky. You can expect to pay 1. 5 mil for the night. My last girl from the Classic came over about noon and we had lunch and dinner, then spent the night, had breakfast and she left about noon the next day. Don't expect this but anything is possible.

Another good reason to stay in this area is its proximity to other clubs. Just Google Starmoon Bar and you will see it's close to the Mercure Manga Dua. On that same street you'll also see about 4 other clubs. All more or less the same. I think 400,000 Rp. For an hour. All young girls. Don't be afraid to go in and see if one of the 50 girls is your type and, if not, just walk out and go to another one. It's just down the street about 20 meters. Once again, if you find one, exchange numbers with her because sooner or later you're going to ask someone to freelance for you and you certainly don't want to pay the stupid prices they ask in the clubs - 3 mil +++. They will even go with old guys like me. They don't get many white guys in Jakarta anymore, it's not like the old days for sure.

If you want to waste your money, go to the Malioboro or other high end club. The girls are nice. Like almost ALL of them are a higher class but let's face it, it's just a pussy with 2 tits and a cute face after all. All the girls in the Classic and Starmoon, etc, are all 24 or younger. The percentage of beautiful girls is higher in the Malioboro but if you look around and have a drink and wait a bit, you'll be fine with paying 365,000 Rp. For your jollies.

After Covid, I tried setting up my trips with Indonesian Cupid, Thaifiendly for Indonesia, etc. But never had much luck. However, now the girls I have added to Whatsapp and their friends because Indonesian girls will share their friends with you if they can't make your schedule, are more than enough that I could just never use the clubs at all.

I have asked mamasans and Indonesian guys where all the 30 + girls hang out. There must be 100's of 1000's of them. Nobody knows. They aren't being coy or trying to force me with their girls, they honestly don't know where all the middle aged girls hang out. If you find out, please tell me.

[DaveTheKnave]

I am doing the same thing based on my visit in the past and exactly the same input from the girls I met last time. I also spent more time coming to Central Jakarta which had better bars and restaurants. Yes it does take time to get to Classic (and with Jakarta traffic it can be a pain) -but unless you plan to go to classic / emporium multiple times a day -central Jakarta is better.That's right. Blok M is a waste of time too.

[DaveTheKnave]

Have you read this Jakarta thread atleast 30 minutes?

You only have 3 posts.Greetings,

If you're coming to Jakarta for the first time, you'll find the prices cheaper than Pattaya but the biggest problem for me is finding proper food. TGI Fridays, Tony Romas, Outback Steakhouse, etc. Have all closed leaving you to search Italian restaurants dotted around the city or the big hotels in Sudirman business area. Do not stay in Blok M. I was there last year and the whole place around Jalan Phelatan has completely closed down. Having said that, I was there 2 months ago and there was one club or more like a restaurant / bar with girls, opens at 6 or 8 PM on the street at Hotel Phelatan, about 40 meters up on the left.

You don't have to worry about girls coming to the hotel. There was some concern about new legislation recently, but nothing came of it. You can always email the hotels before and check. Just make sure you book the room for 2 persons, especially if it includes breakfast. I have stayed at the Ritz, the Meridien, Holiday Inn, Mayflower, Swiss and they don't even ask for the girl's ID. You can pull girls out of the bars at any of those hotels but they are going to cost you about 3 mil.

If you are a first timer, you will want to stay in North Jakarta because that is where most of the good brothels are. The Classic hotel is all you really need. I stayed at the Mercure Manga Dua last time for less than $50 night including breakfast for 2 and a bathtub. This is a must for me. All the girls I've taken back with me all say that having a hot bath is the first time in their lives. Imagine that. Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia. Sitting in a hot bath for an hour with a beautiful 20 year old Asian girl is the ultimate for me. I also need a balcony, but getting a hotel with balcony, breakfast AND bath is a bit much to ask these days. Even the Ritz Carlton Kuningan, Marriott and Meridien didn't have balconies.

Just go to the Classic. Second floor- there are 200 girls in there and they all cost 365,000 Rp. For 1 hour. Ask her for her Whatsapp number or phone because sooner or later you'll want a girl to spend the night. Arranging for a bar girl to spend the night isn't that difficult but remember that they are cheating the club out of their commission, so it's a bit tricky. You can expect to pay 1. 5 mil for the night. My last girl from the Classic came over about noon and we had lunch and dinner, then spent the night, had breakfast and she left about noon the next day. Don't expect this but anything is possible.

Another good reason to stay in this area is its proximity to other clubs. Just Google Starmoon Bar and you will see it's close to the Mercure Manga Dua. On that same street you'll also see about 4 other clubs. All more or less the same. I think 400,000 Rp. For an hour. All young girls. Don't be afraid to go in and see if one of the 50 girls is your type and, if not, just walk out and go to another one. It's just down the street about 20 meters. Once again, if you find one, exchange numbers with her because sooner or later you're going to ask someone to freelance for you and you certainly don't want to pay the stupid prices they ask in the clubs - 3 mil +++. They will even go with old guys like me. They don't get many white guys in Jakarta anymore, it's not like the old days for sure.

If you want to waste your money, go to the Malioboro or other high end club. The girls are nice. Like almost ALL of them are a higher class but let's face it, it's just a pussy with 2 tits and a cute face after all. All the girls in the Classic and Starmoon, etc, are all 24 or younger. The percentage of beautiful girls is higher in the Malioboro but if you look around and have a drink and wait a bit, you'll be fine with paying 365,000 Rp. For your jollies.

After Covid, I tried setting up my trips with Indonesian Cupid, Thaifiendly for Indonesia, etc. But never had much luck. However, now the girls I have added to Whatsapp and their friends because Indonesian girls will share their friends with you if they can't make your schedule, are more than enough that I could just never use the clubs at all.

I have asked mamasans and Indonesian guys where all the 30 + girls hang out. There must be 100's of 1000's of them. Nobody knows. They aren't being coy or trying to force me with their girls, they honestly don't know where all the middle aged girls hang out. If you find out, please tell me.

[Expat American]

I do not think so. All my money was like brand new. One place wante to give me less money for a bill. Another one would not accept at all because of a small ink stain. They bills have to be like new rather than "not too shabby".I think this is true. I gave an SA girl some USD and she told me the exchange place offered here a lower rate because "bill was old". However I got the proper rate from exactly the same bills at the airport. So it seems to depend on the exchange place and sometimes they may try to screw you over by complaining about the bills. All in all, ATM is the best option for cash and I mostly pay with CC everywhere.

[LoveItHere69]

I used these money exchange services at different times, and they all allowed me to make the exchanges of not too shabby USD and leftover Singapore Dollars, Thai Bhat, and Malaysian Ringgit from my previous trips to Indonesian Rupiah without much hassle just showing my passport on my phone.I checked 4 different money exchanges and used 3. This year I exchanged 70 $100 bills in Indonesia so I can assure you I know real well what they will and will not accept. I had a brown water mark, small ink spot, and a tear that was like half a millimeter on different bills and all were 3 bills were rejected at two different exchanges. Luckily found a place in Thailand that accepted when I was there. Plus, in general the smaller the bill the more picky they are because they really only want the bigger bills.

[LoveItHere69]

I got rejected again from the Phantom Zone at Classic. Then the girl I chose (but rejected me) got up and went to the stage and all the girls on that side got up and followed her onto the stage. She grabbed the mic, looked deep into my eyes, and started to sing Meghan Trainor "NO! The rest of the girls danced and did backing vocals.

Meghan Trainor. NO (lyrics) - YouTube.

(I think it's so cute and I think it's so sweet!

How you let your friends encourage you to try and talk to me.

But let me stop you there.

Oh, before you speak.

Nah to the ah to the, no, no, no!

My name is no.

My sign is no.

My number is no.

You need to let it go.

First you going to say you ain't runnin' game, thinkin' I'm believing every word.

Call me beautiful, so original, telling me I'm not like other girls.

I was in my zone before you came along, now I'm thinking maybe you should go.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

I be like nah to the I, to the I, to the no, no, no!

All my ladies listen up.

If that boy ain't giving up.

Lick your lips and swing your hips.

Girl all you got to say is.

My name is no.

My sign is no.

My number is no.

You need to let it go.

Thank you in advance, I don't want to dance (nope!

I don't need your hands all over me.

If I want a man, then I'mma get a man.

But it's never my priority.

I was in my zone, before you came along.

Don't want you to take this personal.

Blah, blah, blah, I be like nah to the ah to the, no, no, no!

I'm feeling.

Untouchable, untouchable).

OK that did not happen. But in my mind it felt just like that. That song should be flagged as a hate song against guys by the feminists and lesbians. Watch the video.

Months ago guys were complaining about that side and several posted that they were going to talk to the manager and / or mamis to find out what was going on. But as always everyone is full of SHT. But I did months ago. The manager if found is near the bar which is furthest from the girls but I never sit over there and never saw him until I asked. Anyways he said he was not the manager but said maybe he could help. Nothing of course. Two mamis on that side when I asked about it suddenly could not speak English. But some mamis still try to get me to take their girls so they must be available. Only answer I can figure is that a few of the girls had bad foreigners and they spread the word. Now it is considered fact because the story has been told so many times and for so long. Two weeks ago I actually had a girl from that side that was good and repeated with her.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Reached around 10:30. Good live music which I like about this place. Especially on Fridays. 20-25 girls. Mostly milfs some good. One girl looks at me in the eye and comes over. I speak to her for 10-15 minutes. Buy her a drink but she smells of smoke which is a deal breaker so I call it off. Have my eyes on an 8 on 10 who is dancing. Unsure if she is FL, so I try to make eye contact but she doesn't look. I see guys approaching her but no long conversations. I am thinking maybe she is not an FL but little head wants to think otherwise. Around 12:30 am I go to buy a new drink next to her and finally I say Hi. I ask her if I can buy her a drink and she says thank you but is upfront she wants 4 m for the night. Her upfront attitude comes across as someone who may be mechanical in bed so I politely decline. I sit at the bar area and a nice lady comes to me. Starts small talk. I buy her a drink and after 15-20 min she is grinding her ass over my pants. Given it's around 1:30 now and I have early morning flight I am now not in mood to take her but again. Anyways I tell her I'm tired and will leave soon. She goes to toilet and some guy follows her. After 10-15 min she is back and tells me she is afraid of the other guy (don't remember the exact term), but she literally begs me to take her out of the place. I know she is trying to play me, but her seduction works and I take her to hotel. She says thank you all the way during the taxi ride. When we reach our hotel she tells this guy was troubling her since early night and he was asking her to do some stuff she didn't want, that's why she loved that I was able to take her away from him, and kisses me. This leads to more and soon she has my dick in her mouth. Like I've mentioned, I usually opt for CBJ, but this happened very quickly and seductively. 15-20 minutes of pure bliss when I literally cum in her throat and she drinks it all. Then she cleans my dick with her mouth and I almost want to pee and I tell her this. She says she is ok with that but not something I am so I go to washroom. This is followed by an hour long of cuddle and small talk which makes me feel super loved. It's already 4 am almost and she asks if I want her to stay. Given I have a flight in 6 hours I ask her to leave and also ask if she is ok with 800 k vs 1 mn we agreed for full night, specially because we didn't fuck. Surprisingly, she is ok with it. I pay her and she asks me to join her in shower. We shower for 15 min where she cleans me up, gives me a short BJ but not to cum. Once she confirms I am all cleaned up, she washes herself, brushes her teeth and leaves. Amazing experience but I didn't take her number. Sleep for 2 hours and then checkout for my flight.Nice report. But yeah, she was trying to play you with that 'some guy is scaring me' routine. Heard that more times than I care to remember. Glad you caught on without paying her exorbitant initial asking price.

Did you survey any of the other clubs in the Bats area? I'll likely spend some time there when my visit commences in January.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Hi,

I haven't been back to Jarkata since late 2020, and finally decided to go back in mid 2025. Last time I was there, Classic Hotel ATM provided better exchange rates than the money exchange place near Classic. It was a few hundreds IDR different per 1 USD. Can't recall.

Anyone on the ground that could / have compared the exchange rates between ATM and money exchanger; report which is better? TIA!Personally, I would never use a money changer rather than an ATM machine, anywhere in Asia. Too many crooked ones out there.

Having said that, be sure to check your bills carefully, either way. Last time I was in Cambodia, a bank ATM CONNECTED TO A CAMBODIAN BANK dispensed three counterfeit USD $100 bills. The difference was very slight and I had no chance of getting this resolved on the spot with the bank as it was past closing hours on a Friday. Luckily Navy Federal had my back and got me sorted. They'd seen this happen more than once.

[EdAdams]

Howdy Gents,

If you've been to Jakarta before or lurked around this forum long enough, you've probably heard whispers about Novotel Gajah Mada Hotel. Sadly, my recent escapade has led me to believe those whispers were either drunken exaggerations or outright lies. Allow me to regale you with the saga of my stay.

Arrival & First Impressions.

Checking into this so-called "four-star" establishment is akin to stepping into a time machine. The lobby resembles a mid-90's office building that hasn't seen a renovation in decades. Think: uninspired decor, non-air-conditioned discomfort, and a charm that screams municipal government office.

After receiving a welcome drink voucher at check-inmore on that travesty laterI embarked on a wobbly ascent in a lift that could moonlight as a thrill ride at Alton Towers.

Guest Friendliness & The Walk of Shame:

In terms of guest friendliness, the lift requires a key card, so you'll need to escort your companion all the way up unless they somehow acquire a card of their own. This adds an extra layer of effort for any rendezvous. The lobby, while tiny, ensures that the infamous walk of shame is unavoidable, depending on the time you choose to venture out.

An alternative is to ask your companion to meet you at the sixth-floor restaurant, assuming it's open. During my stay, I didn't notice many people lingering in the lobby, which could be a small blessing. Sadly, due to my health condition, I couldn't host any visitors myselfa truly unfortunate turn of events.

The Room: Sweet or Not So Suite?

Ah, the "suite. " For 80 a night, I wasn't expecting the Ritz, but I did anticipate a modicum of comfort. Instead, I was met with a mattress so firm it could double as a physiotherapist's table. Even after piling on four mattress toppers, it felt like a cruel joke. Not ideal when one's intentions include the sort of athletic endeavours we frequent fliers know and love.

Plug points, or the lack thereof, were another delight. Forget European sockets or even basic functionalitymy travel adapter kept falling out of the wall. The one working socket was inconveniently placed, meaning I had to abandon my comfy (read: hard) sofa every time I needed to charge a device. Ambient lighting? Flickering. Air-conditioning? Tepid, at best. By morning, I was sweating like a sinner in church, and not from any exertion.

Maintenance did pop by to "fix" things. Their contribution? A shrug-worthy effort that changed nothing. Truly inspiring.

The Welcome Drink Debacle.

Ah, yes, the welcome drink voucher handed to me at check-in. One would expect a refreshing cocktail or perhaps a glass of wine to soothe the weary traveller. But no, this voucher was redeemable only for tea, coffee, or soft drinks, and only until 9 PMthe bar's inexplicably early closing time. Whose brilliant idea was it to exclude alcohol from a welcome drink? A teetotaler's, no doubt.

Room Service & Dining.

The culinary offerings here redefine mediocrity. Room service is slower than a snail on Valium, and when the food finally arrives, it's lukewarm at best. They brought me a "fresh" orange juice that was unmistakably canned. The coffee? Lukewarm. The cutlery? Missing. The accompanying sauces? Non-existent. I had to repeat my order multiple times, only for them to still get it wrong. I swear, a Premier Inn in the British countryside would outshine this circus.

For my troubles, I was "gifted" a welcome fruit platter. Lovely, except for the rotten apple grinning back at me. The coffee cups in my room were equally hygienicrinsed but clearly not washed. And let's not forget the pice de aresistance: hair on the bedsheets upon arrival. A delightful touch that screams attention to detail.

Amenities & Ambiance.

The so-called executive lounge? Closed. The top-floor views? Tarnished by the faint echo of mosque prayers penetrating the 20th floor at 7:30 PM. I don't mind the cultural backdrop, but soundproofing clearly wasn't a priority in this establishment.

As for breakfast, I can't comment. Your humble narrator values his sleep far too much to indulge in such morning frivolities.


Final Thoughts.

This is not a four-star hotel by any stretch of the imagination. If you value proper service, tasty food, hot food, and a thoughtfully designed room, this hotel is not for you. While I could tolerate the endless list of shortcomings, there are two absolute deal-breakers for me: the rock-hard mattress and the pathetic air-conditioning. These two issues alone would deter me from ever returning.

In summary, avoid this place unless you're desperate, and even then, proceed with caution. I wouldn't wish this experience on my worst enemyor maybe just on a rival forum member.

The only redeeming quality is its proximity to certain extracurricular venues. Alas, fate dealt me a cruel hand with a bout of balanitis (there, I said it), putting all shenanigans on hold.

If any of you fine gents are also in Jakarta, I'the be delighted to join you for drinks and a spot of wingman-ing. Consider me your loyal sidekick during this unfortunate downtime.

Cheers,

Ed.

[EdAdams]

Gents,

I'm currently at the Novotel Gajah Mada Hotel for a few days—likely until the weekend—and while fate has temporarily sidelined me with a about of balanitis, I'the still love to make the most of my time here.

If any of you are in Jakarta and fancy meeting up tonight for drinks or need a trusty wingman, drop me a message. With any luck, my medical situation will improve soon, and I'll be able to indulge in our favourite sport. Until then, consider me your loyal sidekick for good company and a bit of banter.

Cheerio.

Ed.

[Gabacho]

Howdy Gents,

If you've been to Jakarta before or lurked around this forum long enough, you've probably heard whispers about Novotel Gajah Mada Hotel. Sadly, my recent escapade has led me to believe those whispers were either drunken exaggerations or outright lies. Allow me to regale you with the saga of my stay.

Arrival & First Impressions.

Checking into this so-called "four-star" establishment is akin to stepping into a time machine. The lobby resembles a mid-90's office building that hasn't seen a renovation in decades. Think: uninspired decor, non-air-conditioned discomfort, and a charm that screams municipal government office.

After receiving a welcome drink voucher at check-inmore on that travesty laterI embarked on a wobbly ascent in a lift that could moonlight as a thrill ride at Alton Towers.

Guest Friendliness & The Walk of Shame:

In terms of guest friendliness, the lift requires a key card, so you'll need to escort your companion all the way up unless they somehow acquire a card of their own. This adds an extra layer of effort for any rendezvous. The lobby, while tiny, ensures that the infamous walk of shame is unavoidable, depending on the time you choose to venture out.

An alternative is to ask your companion to meet you at the sixth-floor restaurant, assuming it's open. During my stay, I didn't notice many people lingering in the lobby, which could be a small blessing. Sadly, due to my health condition, I couldn't host any visitors myselfa truly unfortunate turn of events.

The Room: Sweet or Not So Suite?.This belongs in the Jakarta Hotels section.

[Explorer8939]

Howdy Gents,

If you've been to Jakarta before or lurked around this forum long enough, you've probably heard whispers about Novotel Gajah Mada Hotel. Sadly, my recent escapade has led me to believe those whispers were either drunken exaggerations or outright lies. Allow me to regale you with the saga of my stay.

Arrival & First Impressions.

Checking into this so-called "four-star" establishment is akin to stepping into a time machine. The lobby resembles a mid-90's office building that hasn't seen a renovation in decades. Think: uninspired decor, non-air-conditioned discomfort, and a charm that screams municipal government office.

After receiving a welcome drink voucher at check-inmore on that travesty laterI embarked on a wobbly ascent in a lift that could moonlight as a thrill ride at Alton Towers.

Guest Friendliness & The Walk of Shame:

In terms of guest friendliness, the lift requires a key card, so you'll need to escort your companion all the way up unless they somehow acquire a card of their own. This adds an extra layer of effort for any rendezvous. The lobby, while tiny, ensures that the infamous walk of shame is unavoidable, depending on the time you choose to venture out.

An alternative is to ask your companion to meet you at the sixth-floor restaurant, assuming it's open. During my stay, I didn't notice many people lingering in the lobby, which could be a small blessing. Sadly, due to my health condition, I couldn't host any visitors myselfa truly unfortunate turn of events.

The Room: Sweet or Not So Suite?.If only there were a topic here called "Jakarta Hotels".

[Sychip1]

Gents,

I'm currently at the Novotel Gajah Mada Hotel for a few dayslikely until the weekendand while fate has temporarily sidelined me with a about of balanitis, I'the still love to make the most of my time here.

If any of you are in Jakarta and fancy meeting up tonight for drinks or need a trusty wingman, drop me a message. With any luck, my medical situation will improve soon, and I'll be able to indulge in our favourite sport. Until then, consider me your loyal sidekick for good company and a bit of banter..You really sound like a bundle of laughs and it's quite a detailed though very negative review of a perfectly decent hotel. I stayed in this exact hotel last month then this month I stayed in Grand Mercure which was a lot more expensive but this Novotel is decent. The lobby isn't that tiny at all and I'm not sure if you stayed in the lowest grade room but I stayed in the biggest suite with 5 different rooms. I can tell you my mattress was not hard whatsoever.

[June Fly]

Guest Friendliness & The Walk of Shame:

In terms of guest friendliness, the lift requires a key card, so you'll need to escort your companion all the way up unless they somehow acquire a card of their own. This adds an extra layer of effort for any rendezvous. The lobby, while tiny, ensures that the infamous walk of shame is unavoidable, depending on the time you choose to venture out.

An alternative is to ask your companion to meet you at the sixth-floor restaurant, assuming it's open. During my stay, I didn't notice many people lingering in the lobby, which could be a small blessing. Sadly, due to my health condition, I couldn't host any visitors myselfa truly unfortunate turn of events.



There is another option. I always ask and get two key cards at the check-in, explaining that I booked the room for two guests and the other guest will join me later. Most hotels have no problem with this, some hotels will charge an extra refundable deposit. Then when I meet the girl and if I trust her, I give her a card to follow me to my room after a few minutes to avoid getting noticed. This option even worked for having two girls to come to my room.

[June Fly]

Greetings,

Having said that, I was there 2 months ago and there was one club or more like a restaurant / bar with girls, opens at 6 or 8 PM on the street at Hotel Phelatan, about 40 meters up on the left.

Do you happen to know this bar name in Blok M?

[Gabacho]

As the title says. Met on tiktok. Works at Lokasari Plaza Mall. Loves bule guys and spent a few days with me till one of her regular guys put the kabosh on her seeing me, LOL! Not really my body type as I prefer the tiny spinner types but she was certainly enthusiastic and willing to do whatever I wanted.I think the above post and pictures he posted proves that he has been to Jakarta. Maybe you should RTFF a little better before you post wrong information and lies.


To the best of my knowledge, you have never been to Jakarta and have certainly never met me. So your opinion on matters seems largely irrelevant.You think you know it all, but here you proved you don't really know shit. I think GG may have even more experience in Indonesia than you do. Maybe if you actually read the forum instead of making asinine remarks, and telling people not to take their trips, you might have found this report he posted back in April. I've also read his reports about visiting batam on the ferry from Singapore and I have found his info more helpful than the half-baked shit that you post post about overpaying for 5 star hotels and airfare just to stay only five days. Do you even know any words in bahasa Indonesia other than terima kasih? In the short satu bulan that I've been here I've picked up enough to have short conversations now.

[Gabacho]

There is another option. I always ask and get two key cards at the check-in, explaining that I booked the room for two guests and the other guest will join me later. Most hotels have no problem with this, some hotels will charge an extra refundable deposit. Then when I meet the girl and if I trust her, I give her a card to follow me to my room after a few minutes to avoid getting noticed. This option even worked for having two girls to come to my room.The why when you are gone the girl comes in and steals all your shit. Sounds like a very stupid and rookie thing to do, trusting prostitutes you just met and then giving them a key to your room LOL. If you ever visit Medellin Colombia, please don't try that with your parque lleras women LOL, you will literally be taken to the cleaners.

[Expat American]

Exactly, there are those of us who admit that we pay for sex and report about our experiences to help other mongers along the way. And then there are those guys who make up fake stories about fucking girls for free from SA or using a fake service called "grab feel" to grope women on motorcycles just trying to earn an honest living, in order to impress their internet buddies and to stroke their massive "I am better than you because I pay more than you" arrogant egos.

-Gabacho.Hey Grab Feel is real. Go try it and see. And then report.

[Scarer]

I do not think so. All my money was like brand new. One place wante to give me less money for a bill. Another one would not accept at all because of a small ink stain. They bills have to be like new rather than "not too shabby".Yes, exchange shops always want crisp, unfolded, brand-new notes. I once exchanged money at a shop called Chandraprima, which offered excellent rates but rejected one of my £20 bills.

These days, I avoid exchanging cash in Bangkok or Jakarta. Instead, I started using UK bank account that offers fee-free forex debit cards to withdraw directly from ATMs.

Here are my ATM tips that I have shared previously here but worth repeating.

1. Avoid the ATM's currency conversion option—the rates are terrible.

2. Some ATMs hold the card until the transaction ends. I once forgot mine while counting notes. Make sure to take it back.

3. Keep a separate bank account for this card to minimize risk. Card skimming is common in Asia. I freeze the card via the bank app after each use. I had my card details leaked six months after using an ATM in Bali which I later came to know that it is a known issue in these places.

[MrHappyKat]

ATMs always offer better exchange rates than money exchange kiosks. Make sure to use a debit card that doesn't charge any foreign ATM fees such as Capital One, Charles Schwab, or Fidelity and always make sure to decline the ATM exchange rate if it offers one.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.Take an hour or two before you travel to call your bank's customer service number. Let them know what countries you will be visiting and ask them to tell you fees for each card, credit and debit, you will be using:

1. ATM withdrawal fee (should be a fixed amount).

2. ATM foreign exchange fee (could be a fixed fee PLUS a % of the transaction amount).

3. If they refund any bank, or local bank / ATM fees.

4. Daily, weekly, monthly withdrawal limits.

5. Fees for using the card for a purchase (restaurant, retail store, service provider).

6. Foreign exchange fees on purchases.

7. For a credit card, ask about cash advance fees and limits.

8. Already noted: Do not accept local currency conversion on an ATM or POS Terminal. The local payment service provider will always add an upcharge (up to 3 or 4 %) to the exchange rate to generate additional revenue.

Next compare fees for using a debit versus credit card for each scenario. You may find that it is less expensive to take a cash advance on a credit card and then immediately make a payment on the card from your checking account to avoid additional interest charges (which compound daily).

Finally, make your least expensive card and method your primary card, but carry at least one more card from a different bank as a backup. Leave the backup in your hotel safe. Never put both cards in your wallet. If you lose your wallet or get robbed, you will still be able to do business. And consider getting a digital wallet account like PayPal or the local equivalent as well. These typically connect to your debit or credit card and your bank account and will let you send cash to others and (typically) local businesses without the need to carry your card with you. All you need is the app on your phone and Cell or WiFi service.

[GCNovice]

ATMs always offer better exchange rates than money exchange kiosks. Make sure to use a debit card that doesn't charge any foreign ATM fees such as Capital One, Charles Schwab, or Fidelity and always make sure to decline the ATM exchange rate if it offers one.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.Thanks for the confirmations. Yup, understood on both counts on the fee and the decline part.

Do you know if the Airport ATM is better than the exchange booth? If not, no worries, I'll exchange enough to get to my hotel and find an ATM nearby.

[Giovanni Volo]

Hello.

I look for Mercure Manga Dua, but I cannot found it.

I found Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni or Novotel Jakarta Mangga Dua Square. Is it one of this? Or can you write the webpage?

About Classic girl outside, I agree with a very beautifull one.

They came in my home, all was rigth.

Then she get a message and invented that mother died. Obviously was untruth: I saw her two days after in the bar.

It was not a problem of stolen money, becuase she did this before I paied her. So I pay just 2 hours.

I was already thinking about illegal agreement, with no mamasan.

So it may be is better to ask to mamasan? Or you was always right?

My idea is to take girl for 1 hour, and if one is grand ask for another day full night.


Greetings,

If you are a first timer, you will want to stay in North Jakarta because that is where most of the good brothels are. The Classic hotel is all you really need. I stayed at the Mercure Manga Dua last time for less than $50 night including breakfast for 2 and a bathtub. This is a must for me. All the girls I've taken back with me all say that having a hot bath is the first time in their lives. Imagine that. Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia. Sitting in a hot bath for an hour with a beautiful 20 year old Asian girl is the ultimate for me. I also need a balcony, but getting a hotel with balcony, breakfast AND bath is a bit much to ask these days. Even the Ritz Carlton Kuningan, Marriott and Meridien didn't have balconies.

Just go to the Classic. Second floor- there are 200 girls in there and they all cost 365,000 Rp. For 1 hour. Ask her for her Whatsapp number or phone because sooner or later you'll want a girl to spend the night. Arranging for a bar girl to spend the night isn't that difficult but remember that they are cheating the club out of their commission, so it's a bit tricky.

[KrisMonger]

Grand Harmoni Mercure is pretty decent and is about 2 Kms from classic if my memory serves me right. Actually, the bartender there was ready to come out to Bali with me within 5 minutes of me chatting with her. Tells me everyone is game in the services industry in Jakarta.


Hello.

I look for Mercure Manga Dua, but I cannot found it.

I found Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni or Novotel Jakarta Mangga Dua Square. Is it one of this? Or can you write the webpage?

About Classic girl outside, I agree with a very beautifull one.

They came in my home, all was rigth.

Then she get a message and invented that mother died. Obviously was untruth: I saw her two days after in the bar.

It was not a problem of stolen money, becuase she did this before I paied her. So I pay just 2 hours.

I was already thinking about illegal agreement, with no mamasan.

So it may be is better to ask to mamasan? Or you was always right?

My idea is to take girl for 1 hour, and if one is grand ask for another day full night.

[Xpartan]

There is another option. I always ask and get two key cards at the check-in, explaining that I booked the room for two guests and the other guest will join me later. Most hotels have no problem with this, some hotels will charge an extra refundable deposit. Then when I meet the girl and if I trust her, I give her a card to follow me to my room after a few minutes to avoid getting noticed. This option even worked for having two girls to come to my room.If I trust her is a hell of a qualification that you need to give a serious thought to before proceeding. Remember that even if you totally girl-proof your room, you're still on the hook for a "memento" or two she might not be able to leave behind, LOL. And yes, this is coming from personal experience (not in Jakarta, though), and it ain't fun.

[DaveTheKnave]

Hello.

I look for Mercure Manga Dua, but I cannot found it.

I found Grand Mercure Jakarta Harmoni or Novotel Jakarta Mangga Dua Square. Is it one of this? Or can you write the webpage?

About Classic girl outside, I agree with a very beautifull one.

They came in my home, all was rigth.

Then she get a message and invented that mother died. Obviously was untruth: I saw her two days after in the bar.

It was not a problem of stolen money, becuase she did this before I paied her. So I pay just 2 hours.

I was already thinking about illegal agreement, with no mamasan.

So it may be is better to ask to mamasan? Or you was always right?

My idea is to take girl for 1 hour, and if one is grand ask for another day full night.Hi, so sorry. It's the Hotel Mercure Kota. NOT Manga Dua.

If you ask the Mamasan, you are going to be paying 365. ,000 per hour times 10 hours = 3. 6 mil. And then they might give you a bit of a discount. The girls work 10 hours a day 6 days a week so the mamasan isn't suspicious when they take a day off. Make arrangements on Whatsapp for her day off to be the Long Time she spends with you. This money goes directly to the girl.

[Delbo1]

I got rejected again from the Phantom Zone at Classic. Then the girl I chose (but rejected me) got up and went to the stage and all the girls on that side got up and followed her onto the stage. She grabbed the mic, looked deep into my eyes, and started to sing Meghan Trainor "NO! The rest of the girls danced and did backing vocals.

Meghan Trainor. NO (lyrics) - YouTube.

(I think it's so cute and I think it's so sweet!

How you let your friends encourage you to try and talk to me.

But let me stop you there.

Oh, before you speak.

Nah to the ah to the, no, no, no!

My name is no.

My sign is no.

My number is no.

You need to let it go.

First you going to say you ain't runnin' game, thinkin' I'm believing every word.

Call me beautiful, so original, telling me I'm not like other girls.

I was in my zone before you came along, now I'm thinking maybe you should go.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

I be like nah to the I, to the I, to the no, no, no!

All my ladies listen up..It was me that had that experience and wrote about it. If you are at the entrance that takes you downstairs to the make out rooms, this sofa with girls is to the right of that entrance. I chose some girls on it but they looked scared and all shook their head yet I seen them willingly go with others and actually heard one speak good English and asked if the man was Muslim the girl was big and volumptous actually looked mixed like Arabian. (This was when I was coming back into the main room with a girl and walked past their sofa)

Anyway I got the mamasan she was old and small and wrote a translation for her and said I want this one the mami asked her girl shook her head and mami didn't look bothered just shrugged shoulders. I don't know if there's different levels of handlers for these girls. If the mami was chacha they wouldn't say no.

So yea here seems to be this one sofa where thy act like they are too good it's annoying.

[Expat American]

Months ago guys were complaining about that side and several posted that they were going to talk to the manager and / or mamis to find out what was going on. But as always everyone is full of SHT. But I did months ago. The manager if found is near the bar which is furthest from the girls but I never sit over there and never saw him until I asked. Anyways he said he was not the manager but said maybe he could help. Nothing of course. Two mamis on that side when I asked about it suddenly could not speak English. But some mamis still try to get me to take their girls so they must be available. Only answer I can figure is that a few of the girls had bad foreigners and they spread the word. Now it is considered fact because the story has been told so many times and for so long. Two weeks ago I actually had a girl from that side that was good and repeated with her.Are you really surprised? Have you seen posts from recent arrivals to Jakarta? Any girls who have encountered some of the fine specimens posting here will swear off foreigners forever and I don't blame them one bit.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

If I trust her is a hell of a qualification that you need to give a serious thought to before proceeding. Remember that even if you totally girl-proof your room, you're still on the hook for a "memento" or two she might not be able to leave behind, LOL. And yes, this is coming from personal experience (not in Jakarta, though), and it ain't fun.Very.

Very bad idea to ever leave a room key with a working girl, not matter how 'trustworthy' they seem. Just don't.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I think the above post and pictures he posted proves that he has been to Jakarta. Maybe you should RTFF a little better before you post wrong information and lies.

You think you know it all, but here you proved you don't really know shit. I think GG may have even more experience in Indonesia than you do. Maybe if you actually read the forum instead of making asinine remarks, and telling people not to take their trips, you might have found this report he posted back in April. I've also read his reports about visiting batam on the ferry from Singapore and I have found his info more helpful than the half-baked shit that you post post about overpaying for 5 star hotels and airfare just to stay only five days. Do you even know any words in bahasa Indonesia other than terima kasih? In the short satu bulan that I've been here I've picked up enough to have short conversations now.Indeed I have been to Indo many, many times. I worked in SE Asia for nearly two decades and visited Jakarta, Batam, other areas on a regular basis all that time. Unfortunately based back in the US now, so haven't been there so much lately. Looking forward to spending several months there starting in January!

[Gaijin Gigolo]

There is another option. I always ask and get two key cards at the check-in, explaining that I booked the room for two guests and the other guest will join me later. Most hotels have no problem with this, some hotels will charge an extra refundable deposit. Then when I meet the girl and if I trust her, I give her a card to follow me to my room after a few minutes to avoid getting noticed. This option even worked for having two girls to come to my room.Bad, bad, BAD idea. NEVER give a working girl your key card, no matter how trustworthy she seems.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Greetings,

If you're coming to Jakarta for the first time, you'll find the prices cheaper than Pattaya but the biggest problem for me is finding proper food. TGI Fridays, Tony Romas, Outback Steakhouse, etc. Have all closed leaving you to search Italian restaurants dotted around the city or the big hotels in Sudirman business area. Ehmmm. What do you consider 'proper food'? You have to have something every time from some Western restaurant? Open your mind, man, a lot of Indo food is awesome. And there are certainly a ton of local 'Western' food joints around as well.

As far as a place with a balcony, just stay in an AirBnB if it's that important to you. Nearly all of them have balconies.

Old women. Block M. I wouldn't think you'd have any trouble at finding 'middle aged women' to shag.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Exactly, there are those of us who admit that we pay for sex and report about our experiences to help other mongers along the way. And then there are those guys who make up fake stories about fucking girls for free from SA or using a fake service called "grab feel" to grope women on motorcycles just trying to earn an honest living, in order to impress their internet buddies and to stroke their massive "I am better than you because I pay more than you" arrogant egos.

-Gabacho.Well stated.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

In my experience they are all using WhatsApp which is a messaging app. Make sure you have WhatsApp when you get here as that is how everyone communicates. I am not on social media such as Twitter or Instagram so I don't know if they use those apps or not but I think with WhatsApp you should be fine.Cheers. I have WhatsApp, just never used it.

[Sychip1]

Grand Harmoni Mercure is pretty decent and is about 2 Kms from classic if my memory serves me right. Actually, the bartender there was ready to come out to Bali with me within 5 minutes of me chatting with her. Tells me everyone is game in the services industry in Jakarta.Grand Mercure is more like $150 but all of the female staff wear pretty short skirts, the ones at the bar / restaurant wear long skirts but with a high slit which actually looks even better / sexier. I think I know which one, there's one who is particularly curvy at the bar and she's very exotic / pretty looking too. I was tempted myself to chat her up but I was there on business so a bit riskier.

[L00PY]

So here in Jakarta I found a pharmacy in the Pasar Baru area called Apotek Maju Jaya that sells a box of 4 tablets 100 MG generic Sildenafil for 125 k Rupiah.Thanks for the info. For others, there are a few pharmacies right there in that corner of the mall. If one doesn't have what you're looking for at the price you want, you can easily go to three others right there and compare.

I wasn't happy with the option for the cost and the manufacturing date. Another had a better price and more recently made too. All of these pharmacies seem to close at 5 pm. The mall where you'll use the walkway to cross the street also closes up at 5.

The timing doesn't quite work out but there's a really good street food stall serving nasi bebek (duck rice) at the corner. Bang for my buck, it's probably the best 30k I've spent in Jakarta so far.

[EdAdams]

You really sound like a bundle of laughs and it's quite a detailed though very negative review of a perfectly decent hotel. I stayed in this exact hotel last month then this month I stayed in Grand Mercure which was a lot more expensive but this Novotel is decent. The lobby isn't that tiny at all and I'm not sure if you stayed in the lowest grade room but I stayed in the biggest suite with 5 different rooms. I can tell you my mattress was not hard whatsoever.Ah, Sychip1, glad to see someone enjoyed themselves here—though I must admit, your glowing review of the lobby has me wondering if we stayed at the same hotel or if I've accidentally wandered into a municipal office block in my sleep.

As for my Premier Suite on the 22nd floor, apparently it's the crown jewel of the place, the one and only. If this is the best they've got, I shudder to think what the regular rooms are like. Don't get me wrong, it's fine, but compared to the Holiday Inn next door? It's like comparing a Lidl steak to a Michelin-star filet mignon.

Better lobby, better decor, and waitresses downstairs who could charm the socks off a monk. The Novotel? Well, it has. A lift that doubles as a carnival ride.

Still, I respect your optimism—it's refreshing, if a little baffling. Cheers, mate!

[Sychip1]

Ah, Sychip1, glad to see someone enjoyed themselves herethough I must admit, your glowing review of the lobby has me wondering if we stayed at the same hotel or if I've accidentally wandered into a municipal office block in my sleep.

As for my Premier Suite on the 22nd floor, apparently it's the crown jewel of the place, the one and only. If this is the best they've got, I shudder to think what the regular rooms are like. Don't get me wrong, it's fine, but compared to the Holiday Inn next door? It's like comparing a Lidl steak to a Michelin-star filet mignon.

Better lobby, better decor, and waitresses downstairs who could charm the socks off a monk. The Novotel? Well, it has. A lift that doubles as a carnival ride.

Still, I respect your optimismit's refreshing, if a little baffling. Cheers, mate!But you can't compare like-for-like as Holiday Inn with just a cursory glance is around $80-90 whereas Novotel is $50. I think that represents fantastic value especially in the context of staying in a place like Jakarta. If you take a date back, it makes no difference to them if it's Holiday Inn or Novotel it's just another well-known brand. I personally would rather pocket the difference and have an extra 3-some at Classic thanks very much. But to each their own some people would want to pay for other hotel brands. With a decent gym, pool and very good service you can't beat it for value at this price point.

[Gabacho]

It was me that had that experience and wrote about it. If you are at the entrance that takes you downstairs to the make out rooms, this sofa with girls is to the right of that entrance. I chose some girls on it but they looked scared and all shook their head yet I seen them willingly go with others and actually heard one speak good English and asked if the man was Muslim the girl was big and volumptous actually looked mixed like Arabian. (This was when I was coming back into the main room with a girl and walked past their sofa)

Anyway I got the mamasan she was old and small and wrote a translation for her and said I want this one the mami asked her girl shook her head and mami didn't look bothered just shrugged shoulders. I don't know if there's different levels of handlers for these girls. If the mami was chacha they wouldn't say no.

So yea here seems to be this one sofa where thy act like they are too good it's annoying.Back in early November I wrote about a bad experience where the girl tried to force me to use a condom and then gave a really bad experience. (luckily there have only been 2 that were like that and really only the one that was really horrible out of 50+ classic girls now). Anyways she came from that back couch on the right side as you are walking down to the rooms.

She also is in cahoots with thr fat woman that assigns the rooms because on several occasions she has said something in bahassa to my girl as we are walking to the room and then the girl attempted to over charge me for BBFS. I quickly put an end to that tho and started going to T5 for a while to where I now get BBFS for just a 100 k tip. I then started going back to T2 again more recently and haven't had any more lip from the fat lady but I prefer to use the make out rooms on the other side by the billares tables. Those seem to only be used later in the evening.

-Gabacho.

[Zippos]

That scam or scheme, whatever you want to call it is true! Any bills older than 2009 will get you lower exchange rates. I asked and confirmed with my girl. Banks will gladly accept old bills at their rate.

In regards to money exchange, I had posted a review back in September / October. To my experience, they offered best rate during weekends compared to the Fake Dolarindo next to classic. You can also reserve through Dolarindo website which switches to WhatsApp and connects you to your preferred Dolarindo and rates are fixed for a certain timeframe.


I think this is true. I gave an SA girl some USD and she told me the exchange place offered here a lower rate because "bill was old". However I got the proper rate from exactly the same bills at the airport. So it seems to depend on the exchange place and sometimes they may try to screw you over by complaining about the bills. All in all, ATM is the best option for cash and I mostly pay with CC everywhere.

[LoveItHere69]

To my experience, they offered best rate during weekends compared to the Fake Dolarindo next to classic. Never heard of such a thing as a better rate on weekends anywhere. Plus, that makes little sense because on the weekends all the banks are closed so if anything rates would go up, not down.

Fake Dolarinda next to Classic. What is fake?

I checked out 4 currency exchanges all within 2 hours. Almost identical rates. Like 15,000 to 15,150 difference. 1%.

[PartyAnimal]

Nice report. But yeah, she was trying to play you with that 'some guy is scaring me' routine. Heard that more times than I care to remember. Glad you caught on without paying her exorbitant initial asking price.

Did you survey any of the other clubs in the Bats area? I'll likely spend some time there when my visit commences in January.I've only been to BATs and one in kuningan I forgot the name of. This is central area, so not a lot of options like what you may see in Blok M.

[PartyAnimal]

If I trust her is a hell of a qualification that you need to give a serious thought to before proceeding. Remember that even if you totally girl-proof your room, you're still on the hook for a "memento" or two she might not be able to leave behind, LOL. And yes, this is coming from personal experience (not in Jakarta, though), and it ain't fun.I'm curious to know what happened. That's why I find it hard to sleep when I've a girl in my room.

[L00PY]

1. Hang onto that bracelet they give you on entry. A girl said it was a 2 million fee for exit without one.

2. On the girls, the four I've seen all had the same Listerine process before getting started. They would dab some on tissue paper and wipe everything down on you they planned on putting their mouth on. Your junk, nipples, neck, etc. A bit clinical for my tastes but when in Rome.

3. They get what I think is surprisingly little from the fee. I think she said it was 100 k out of 365 k, and 90 k each out of the the 500 k. It's no wonder they press a bit for tips, and the standard 100 k seems reasonable.

4. It is absurdly smokey for a non-smoker like me. It'd par for the course that's Jakarta. Heat, rain, traffic, and cigarettes. Only one girl asked to light up afterwards. It's reminiscent of Bangkok or Medellíand clubs of old, before they banned indoors smoking.

[Delbo1]

1. Hang onto that bracelet they give you on entry. A girl said it was a 2 million fee for exit without one.

2. On the girls, the four I've seen all had the same Listerine process before getting started. They would dab some on tissue paper and wipe everything down on you they planned on putting their mouth on. Your junk, nipples, neck, etc. A bit clinical for my tastes but when in Rome.

3. They get what I think is surprisingly little from the fee. I think she said it was 100 k out of 365 k, and 90 k each out of the the 500 k. It's no wonder they press a bit for tips, and the standard 100 k seems reasonable.

4. It is absurdly smokey for a non-smoker like me. It'd par for the course that's Jakarta. Heat, rain, traffic, and cigarettes. Only one girl asked to light up afterwards. It's reminiscent of Bangkok or Medelland clubs of old, before they banned indoors smoking.I took a 3 some at classic and one for the girls proceeded to light up in the make out room had to wait 15 minutes for her to finish. Then I'm sure I was short on time as well phone rang only felt like 40 mins total if that. Will be using countdown timer on phone and showing it to housekeeping when exchanging receipt.

[Exoticspirit]

Indonesia was my final country in my four countries tour which also included Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand (reports on those already posted). It was just a single night stay since my main thing here is a week long scuba diving trip in Raja Ampat, a much more remote area of Indonesia.

Flying in from Bangkok, I took the airport link train to city centre and then a Grab to Classic Hotel so I could simply go downstairs to take in the Classic Terminal 2 which is the most talked about mongering venue in Jakarta.

Although previous reports suggested we go early to this venue about 6-7 pm, that timing didn't work out for me and I ended up going at 10 pm. Sure enough the place which is like a huge nightclub inside, was hopping. At the entrance, staff puts on a bracelet on your wrist with a number. This number will be used to track your orders and activities during your visit.

As soon as you walk inside, waiting mamasans will intercept you and try to take you to one of the small round tables in the middle of the club. There was a stage with some dancers and along most of the walls of the club were either single or double rows of sofas where the girls were sitting. The estimates of over 200 girls might be correct and they were all dressed to kill in short dresses and high heels. Most were quite young in their 20's and maybe some in 30's but certainly no milfs here. One one far side of the club were some pool tables.

As soon as I ordered a drink, the mamasans brought girls over. They wasted no time but I kept telling them that I just wanted to enjoy my drink first. But five minutes later they would use laser pointers to point to girls and instruct them to come over. Multiple mamasans each in charge of different sofas of girls would bring a single girl one at a time and sometimes they would bring a lineup of 5-7 of them.

They really push us to choose a girl. Whenever we decline to choose one, they seem to get annoyed but I didn't let that faze me since I'm the paying customer and they soon realized that I was not to be rushed.

Even though they can be annoying by constantly laser pointing and bringing girls over, it's also kind of funny at the same time. I've never experienced such pushiness by a mamasan before.

It's also good to get the girls on their feet because some of them looked kind of bored just sitting there. They are definitely not as interactive with potential customers as say Thai girls at Soi 6 or a massage fishbowl. So the mamasans kind of helps break the boredom of girls just sitting and waiting.

Once I picked my lady, I paid her mamasan 365 K Indonesian which is about $32 Cad. This is a real bargain for an hour session. My girl led me to an elevator where they had a staff dude operate it. There are rooms on multiple floors with shower but no bathroom.

The session starts with shower for two as the girl cleans you. Then when you get on the bed, they use tissue to further clean your cock. My girl actually wiped it with some Listerine. Then the BBBJ starts without any foreplay or kissing on lips before hand. After a while she asked me if ready for condom and FS. Not true GFE since no kissing.

My girl washed me up again in the shower and as some previously reported, asked me for a top. I have the 50 K if she agreed to take a photo with me.

When we walked out of our room, Indonesia's version of Tijuana cum boys were waiting to enter and clean the room. Hand in hand my lady took me on a confusing reverse route back to the nightclub.

After bidding my girl goodbye I went to a glasses counter where a team of cashiers tallied up my drink cost. After paying I was handed a wooden piece with a slip probably with details of my payment in full which I handed to the main door hostesses.

I returned the next day at their 2 pm opening. I was worried that there would be no girls there that early but upon entry, there were about 30-30 girls on the sofas. There only several customers which made this afternoon a more pleasant visit since many Asian customers smoke.

My second girl looked pretty bored but when her mamasan told her to come down and meet me, she became very bubbly when she learned that I picked her. Session with her was similar to my first session last night except this lady did not wipe my cock with Listerine. Had a nice time with this girl too even though like the first one, did not kiss nor do any foreplay.

I was a bit annoyed during my first night that staff did not give me any change back. It's not a big amount as I was cheated only about $1. 50 Cad. The next day I was more on top of this and both mamasan and the cashier were good in giving change.

Overall, this operation is quite impressive. With multiple staff and over 200 available girls, this is like a monger's gem as long as you can live with no kissing and absolutely nothing much to do as far as tourism attractions here. But if you want hot girls for cheap, this destination might work well for you.

And you can't beat the 365 K price for girls this nice looking. Incidently, you can have two girls for 500 K.

Thanks to all who help answer questions I had about Jakarta this year. Hope newbies can learn something about this place.

[Gabacho]

Indonesia was my final country in my four countries tour which also included Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand (reports on those already posted). It was just a single night stay since my main thing here is a week long scuba diving trip in Raja Ampat, a much more remote area of Indonesia.

Flying in from Bangkok, I took the airport link train to city centre and then a Grab to Classic Hotel so I could simply go downstairs to take in the Classic Terminal 2 which is the most talked about mongering venue in Jakarta.

Although previous reports suggested we go early to this venue about 6-7 pm, that timing didn't work out for me and I ended up going at 10 pm. Sure enough the place which is like a huge nightclub inside, was hopping. At the entrance, staff puts on a bracelet on your wrist with a number. This number will be used to track your orders and activities during your visit.. .Excelente Report brother. I'm glad you enjoyed classic. A note about kissing, it is available but hit and miss depending on the girl. I have had some who will turn their face away as I attempt to kiss them, others will allow some kissing but mostly just pecks, and a few have allowed tounge in mouth DFK. I even had one that was sucking my tounge into her mouth. There was one the other day who had a tounge piercing and allowed tounge in mouth kissing, she was fun. Whiter skinned and wears bunny ears.

Anyways glad you enjoyed the place none the less. So you didn't end up checking out Terminal 5 up above?

Also I have never had a girl take me to an elevator or lift yet, they always just take me to stairs either on the side by the bitchy girls or on the side by the pool tables. I'm assuming the elevator is for back up rooms when all the other rooms are unavailable I guess?

If you don't mind I'd like to know more about Raja Ampat as well, even regular tourist type activities, either thru pm or in the corresponding thread.

Anyways great report bro.

-Gabacho.

[ArnoldNe]

Indonesia was my final country in my four countries tour which also included Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand (reports on those already posted). It was just a single night stay since my main thing here is a week long scuba diving trip in Raja Ampat, a much more remote area of Indonesia.

Flying in from Bangkok, I took the airport link train to city centre and then a Grab to Classic Hotel so I could simply go downstairs to take in the Classic Terminal 2 which is the most talked about mongering venue in Jakarta..Very descriptive FR, I wonder if it is the girls that you came across with this approach or is that general practice at Classic, because I have read many FRs mention the DFK etc aspect, also is it possible to engage the girls in a more involved act (DFK, make out) with a slightly higher tip like say 100 k, Mr. Johnson has a mind of his own and he can't go up with the push of a button, it needs to be wooed with sensuality to get in the act.

[Xpartan]

I'm curious to know what happened. That's why I find it hard to sleep when I've a girl in my room.In early 2000's I stayed in a nice suite at an upscale Bangkok hotel. The day before my departure she came to my room when I wasn't there. She cleaned everything from the bathroom, including shampoo bottles and my used toothbrush. It was a very nicely appointed suite, so she stole some nice figurines, two small bookend elephants inlaid with some semi-precious stones (I presume), a pack of wonderful jasmine tea that I bought in China Town (that was a huge bummer because I wanted to bring it home but didn't have time to go back there) and a couple of travel books. And of course, she raided my minibar and helped herself to two bottles of wine with glasses.

She might've stolen other stuff but this is what I remember.

It really helped that I totally girl-proofed the room before bringing her there. Kept everything valuable in the safe at all times.

The front desk manager took it easy on me and mostly giggled enjoying my embarrassment. She only charged me about 4 K baht, which I gladly paid. Later on, she brought a laptop and showed me the thief who they caught on every camera when leaving the hotel. The stupid cow was wearing a wide straw hat and carrying a large beach bag. What was she trying to hide when the hotel had her ID anyway? Beats me. She also told me the elephants were the most expensive thing she stole, and I'm not surprised, they looked great.

Anyway, if you're staying in a regular room and want to register the girl, I don't think it's dangerous. There is nothing to steal anyway. Just girlproof your valuables and tell the staff to remove the contents of the minibar (yes, you can do that).

Second, never tell them when you check out. Although, I guess she can find out at the front desk.

But I think if you're staying at an airbnb or suite decorated with some knickknacks, you have to be careful.

BTW, don't presume that if you don't give her the key, you're safe. If she's smart, she can easily get the card at the front desk. Why not, she's a registered guest. For airbnb, just don't give her a key, that's it.

No need to be paranoid, IMHO, I've done the same thing since then and never had a problem.

[Gabacho]

She caught my eye sitting on the sofa nearest to the cashiers. Sitting the group with my beloved Shentiya from my very first visit here to T2 back in early November. I went up to her to kiss her hand and introduce myself. She said her name was Mauhoney or Mahoney something like that (kind of sounds like mahogany).

Very beautifully colored orangish red hair in curls, cute rounded face and a body that is somewhat curvy but not too big. Fair skin, said she was Sundanese from Bandung.

I quickly pay the mami 370 k. Mahogany goes to grab her bag and come back quickly. Mami comes back and hands me 5 k crumpled up into my pal of my hand like as if we had made a drug deal. She also hards the ticket to mahogany and off the the room we go.

A quick 5 minutes chuchi shower as I admire her body. We then towel off and I have her sit on the edge of the bed and lay back. I get down on my knees, spread her legs and perform DATY. She doesn't resist. Her pussy tasted sweet and doesn't have any odor. She seems to be enjoying it or atleast faking very well that she is enjoying it. With moaning and even grabbing my bald head to pull me in closer. Shit was so hot I got super duper hard. I reach for my bottle of Platinum Wet silicone lubricant and lather blanquito up real good while still eating her delicious pussy.

I them climb up and penetrate her bareback without even asking if I could or how much extra money or anything. She doesn't resist. She acts as if she wants it just as bad as I do. She does ask me if I am clean to which I reply yes and I tell her I have a vasectomy too.

We then make passionate love with me thrusting as hard and deep as possible while also kissing her and she let me put my tongue in her mouth. It was one of my best sessions yet at T2. Had her get on top and twerk for a bit until she got tired and lost her rhythm, then I got back on top and finished inside her while doing so power thrusts in the pile driver position. Shit was hot hot hottt.

Afterwards she gave me a really great pijit kaki and pijit ini and back massage too until the phone rings to let us know it's time to say out farewells and get dressed.

I also got a selfie with this gorgeous Sundanese beauty.

Tipped her 150 k because I was so happy with the level of service.

Even on a Sunday Classic is great.

-Gabacho.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

First and foremost I am Agnostic, so no need to push your religious views on me, they are falling on deaf ears. And there is a big difference between asking women who are already engaging in prostitution and foregoing condoms with their local customers and boyfriends, and selling their bodies for money, to go bareback versus disrespecting and humiliating regular women in the public civilian world just trying to earn an honest living.

Furthermore just because I don't like to use condoms doesn't mean I am not playing responsibly. Have you not heard of Acyclovir, Doxycycline and Descovy? Also I got Gardasil 9 vaccine (all 3 doses) series completed months before I got here. I also received Twinrix, Jynneos, Typhim VI, and Bexsero among other vaccines before I arrived here as well.

Also I have a vasectomy too since 2008.

So on the contrary, I think I am playing very responsibly.

Nice attempt tho.

-Gabacho.Strange how someone comes onto a mongering forum and starts preaching about "god", right? I'm atheist, but like you, I would say my sense of ethics and morals are higher than 90% of others on this forum.

[June Fly]

Indonesia was my final country in my four countries tour which also included Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand (reports on those already posted). It was just a single night stay since my main thing here is a week long scuba diving trip in Raja Ampat, a much more remote area of Indonesia.

Flying in from Bangkok, I took the airport link train to city centre and then a Grab to Classic Hotel so I could simply go downstairs to take in the Classic Terminal 2 which is the most talked about mongering venue in Jakarta.

Although previous reports suggested we go early to this venue about 6-7 pm, that timing didn't work out for me and I ended up going at 10 pm. Sure enough the place which is like a huge nightclub inside, was hopping. At the entrance, staff puts on a bracelet on your wrist with a number. This number will be used to track your orders and activities during your visit.

The session starts with shower for two as the girl cleans you. Then when you get on the bed, they use tissue to further clean your cock. My girl actually wiped it with some Listerine. Then the BBBJ starts without any foreplay or kissing on lips before hand. After a while she asked me if ready for condom and FS. Not true GFE since no kissing.

At Classic, I never had any issue in asking and getting DFK. When I was new to Jakarta, I used to ask the Mamasan, but now directly to the girl whether she likes kissing in my broken Bahasa Indonesia ("Apa Kamu Suka Berciuman?) To me DFK is a must, if the girl says no or shows any sign of hesitation, I skip and move to the next girl. Most girls I took at Classic either enjoyed DFK or at least were willing participants. Even Kota Indah, South Jakarta, West Jakarta bars, I would say over half the girls are open to DFK. The only bar I didn't have much luck for DFK is Hotel Travel, so I stopped going there after my first visit, I heard from others they got DFK, but I didn't attempt going there again, why waste my time and money when there are plenty of other options. My DFK rule tips are: 200K for amazing, 100K for good (most fall under this bucket), 50K for average, no tip for no DFK.

[ArnoldNe]

At Classic, I never had any issue in asking and getting DFK. When I was new to Classic, I used to ask Mamasan, but now directly to the girl whether she likes kissing in my broken Bahasa Indonesia ("Apa Kamu Suka Berciuman?) To me DFK is a must, if the girl says no or shows any sign of hesitation, I skip and move to the next girl. Most girls I took at Classic either enjoyed DFK or at least were willing participants. Even Kota Indah, South Jakarta, West Jakarta bars, I would say over half the girls are open to DFK. The only bar I didn't have much luck for DFK is Hotel Travel, so I stopped going there after my first visit, I heard from others they got DFK, but I didn't attempt going there again, why waste my time and money when there are plenty of other options. My DFK rule tips are: 200K for amazing, 100K for good (most fall under this bucket), 50K for average, no tip for no DFK.That sounds very reassuring, it is very important for me as well and it makes sense to ask the girl before committing to choose her, translate app says 'ciuman perancis yang dalam' as a translation for DFK, hope it makes sense to the girl. Thanks for the advise.

Hopefully rejecting the girl doesn't piss off the mamasan too much considering Classic will be repeated more than once in the iteniary.

[June Fly]

In early 2000's I stayed in a nice suite at an upscale Bangkok hotel. The day before my departure she came to my room when I wasn't there. She cleaned everything from the bathroom, including shampoo bottles and my used toothbrush. It was a very nicely appointed suite, so she stole some nice figurines, two small bookend elephants inlaid with some semi-precious stones (I presume), a pack of wonderful jasmine tea that I bought in China Town (that was a huge bummer because I wanted to bring it home but didn't have time to go back there) and a couple of travel books. And of course, she raided my minibar and helped herself to two bottles of wine with glasses.

BTW, don't presume that if you don't give her the key, you're safe. If she's smart, she can easily get the card at the front desk. Why not, she's a registered guest. For airbnb, just don't give her a key, that's it.

No need to be paranoid, IMHO, I've done the same thing since then and never had a problem.



Since my original post kicked off a storm on this topic, I'd like to add. Sure there are dishonest, cheaters everywhere, but there are distinct cultural and risk differences between places like Jakarta, Indonesia, and Medellin, Colombia. I've visited Medellin and spent time with Colombian and Venezuelan girls from Parque Lleras. There, I prefer to stay at Hotel Dix in El Poblado, where Mr. John and the staff watch my back. They are dutiful about guest safety, ensuring every girl's ID is copied and call the room to check with you if everything is okay before they allow the girl to leave.

In Colombia, Brazil, and Vietnam, while the girls are alluring but they are also notorious, so I never give my key card in these locations. However, I find Indonesian girls to be generally sweet, shy, and occasionally nervous about meeting a foreigner. If a girl feels uncomfortable to walk of shame to my room, I meet them in a public area like the hotel lobby, bar, or restaurant first, and once everything seems fine, I'll give them a second key card to follow me to the elevator to my room. If I don't feel right, I give some money and send them back. I always get the card back once they're in the room. If the girl doesn't return the card or doesn't show up, I go to the front desk to deactivate and get a new one. I always get a second key card not just for this reason but to keep a spare in my wallet in case I forget to grab the primary one from the key card holder when leaving the room. It saves a trip to the front desk if I accidentally lock myself out. I also ensure my room is girl-proofed by keeping my passport, laptop, valuables in the safe. In Jakarta, it's safe to take the bar girls to your hotel room the spend the night with, both the mamasan and bar management care about their reputation, they get IDs of the girl, customer, and the license plates of the Grab / Gojek that comes to pick up when leaving.

With over 25 years of travel for business, 2000+ hotel nights, I've developed habits and instincts that work for me that may or may not work for everyone. Yes, I've been dumbed and misread the situations a few times, but just like anything in life, you adopt and do things that work, and avoid that don't. I've been following this forum for a long time, and my sole purpose is to learn and share, I try not to judge, criticize, argue, disrespect anyone because truth is broad and nuanced with no straight answers, you have to experience them to shape your own opinion. So I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

[StudPlayer]

Gabacho your inbox is full. Please clean it out.

[June Fly]

That sounds very reassuring, it is very important for me as well and it makes sense to ask the girl before committing to choose her, translate app says 'ciuman perancis yang dalam' as a translation for DFK, hope it makes sense to the girl. Thanks for the advise.

Hopefully rejecting the girl doesn't piss off the mamasan too much considering Classic will be repeated more than once in the iteniary.Yes, Bahasa Indonesia is straight forward, just like Malay literally translatable to word by word.

No at all. To be fair, I've been rejected by a few. I don't take it personally because different people appeal differently around different people, so why should they? The main reason I think is lack of familiarity or had some bad experience with foreigners. My experience is overly positive compared to other SEA countries.

[StinkyFeet]

OMG! I did not know that was what I was doing. I guess I will have to stop. But I have a slight problem. What am I now going to do with the 10 boxes of 18 (100 MG) pills of sildenafil I just bought for 1,534,000? That's 180 pills! It comes to 34,089 for a box of 4. Sure beats your 110,000 for a box of 4. 8522 is ($0. 57) per pill.LMAO this forum is hilarious. Discussing the morality of groping a driver versus raw dogging a village girl.

[Xpartan]

With over 25 years of travel for business, 2000+ hotel nights, I've developed habits and instincts that work for me that may or may not work for everyone. Yes, I've been dumbed and misread the situations a few times, but just like anything in life, you adopt and do things that work, and avoid that don't. I've been following this forum for a long time, and my sole purpose is to learn and share, I try not to judge, criticize, argue, disrespect anyone because truth is broad and nuanced with no straight answers, you have to experience them to shape your own opinion. So I don't expect everyone to agree with me.I didn't mean to criticize. Just remembered a troubling episode from my past and thought I'd offer a word of caution.

Your safety measures and your experience seem quite capable of mitigating risks. Like I said, I still bring girls on multiday sojourns, although not often since I prefer sleeping alone anyway. But occasionally, you still meet someone you want to be around for longer than an hour, so it's all good. I still don't give them a key, but since they're registered they can come upstairs and knock on the door. That's not a foolproof measure, though.

Funnily, I mostly play in Brazil and have never had a theft issue (as far as I know), so there might be something you and I do right, LOL.

[Exoticspirit]

Anyways glad you enjoyed the place none the less. So you didn't end up checking out Terminal 5 up above?

Also I have never had a girl take me to an elevator or lift yet, they always just take me to stairs either on the side by the bitchy girls or on the side by the pool tables. I'm assuming the elevator is for back up rooms when all the other rooms are unavailable I guess?

If you don't mind I'd like to know more about Raja Ampat as well, even regular tourist type activities, either thru pm or in the corresponding thread

-Gabacho.I didn't bother going up to Terminal 5 or any of the other spas / clubs in the same complex after reading that rates for girls in those venues are much higher than at Terminal 2. Besides, there were more than enough to choose at Terminal 2 anyway.

Now one thing I found about Jakarta in general was that it's pretty low on tourist activities. My Grab already drove past the monument park area and I didn't feel I needed to dedicate any time to actually going there separately. I'm sure food at various neighbourhoods would have been a hoot but I didn't have time to figure out where and how to get to them. I did try the Joni Steak place near Classic and although the price was decent, I really didn't travel half way around the world for a western style middle of the road steak and potatoes dinner. I wanted Indonesian food and to my surprise, the free breakfast I got right at the downstairs cafe at Classic hotel was actually pretty decent. Even for breakfast they had lots of different choices and I sampled pretty well everything since most were Indonesian fare I never tried before.

As far as Raja Ampat, it's a four hour flight east from Jakarta to a little town called Sorong which itself is a dump. Less traffic than Jakarta but garbage all over the place and no tourist stuff at all. It's really a springboard for us scuba divers catching our liveaboard boats at the pier there or a boat transfer to an island based dive resort. Although the islands in Raja Ampat away from Sorong are unspoiled and gorgeous, there's no infrastructure developed for general tourism. It's certainly not Bali.

[Exoticspirit]

Very descriptive FR, I wonder if it is the girls that you came across with this approach or is that general practice at Classic, because I have read many FRs mention the DFK etc aspect, also is it possible to engage the girls in a more involved act (DFK, make out) with a slightly higher tip like say 100 k, Mr. Johnson has a mind of his own and he can't go up with the push of a button, it needs to be wooed with sensuality to get in the act.I didn't inquire about kissing or just more intimacy since my stay was so short but if I stayed longer and / or visit again, I would definitely add a bit more GFE requests as part of the screening out process with either the mamasans or the girls themselves.

[Gabacho]

As far as p4p goes, I enjoyed my 4-5 days in Jakarta so much last summer...

I'll also need to find a pharmacy to buy more doxycycline, as it turned
out it's not available without prescription in my home country, and after
taking a dose this morning I only have enough pills for two more days.
Hoping it will available without prescription here also, as in Thailand.Here are my previous posts about where to find Doxycycline for cheap. I hope this helps.


Also for those of you who like to bareback, but want to do so responsibly, I found doxycycline for 15 k rupiah per strip and each strip contains 10 capsules of doxycycline 100 MG.

I was running low on my doxy stash I brought with me from Thailand so I decided to get 3 strips (30 pills) for a grand total of 45 k rupiah.

This was inside the same building as the other Apotek I mentioned but you have to take the escalator up to the 2nd floor and there are 2 more Apotek up there and that is where I found the doxy because the first Apotek on the ground floor where they have the Sildenafil didn't have any doxy.

I also found out that Apotek is literally the word for pharmacy in Bahasa.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.And this is more detailed information on where to find the pharmacy. If you walk about 3 blocks east of classic and then go into the metro pasar baru mall and use the furthest east pedestrian bridge to cross the street and go into the other building that is where you will find the pharmacy with the cheap doxycycline.

It's available without a prescription and much cheaper than in Thailand. I paid 15 k IDR for each strip of 10 (100 MG) doxycycline capsules.

-Gabacho.


Since you are trying to one up me about saving 95 on some Viagra, LOL, I will one up you instead. The name of the pharmacy on the 2nd floor where they sell the 110 k rupiah Viagra is called Biotek.

I actually found it like 2 days after my post about the downstairs pharmacy that sells tgr same Viagra for 125 k but I forgot to make a second post about the 95 price difference.

I did mention the upstairs place in regard to doxycycline which they sell there for 15 k per 10 pack strip of 100 MG pills of doxycycline, so try harder to read the fucking forum LOL.

They also sell Acyclovir tablets for 50 k per box of 50 tablets 400 MG and acyclovir cream 5% for 5 k.

I have attached pictures of the building in which the pharmacy is located, the actual pharmacy showing the name clearly as biotek and the acyclovir.

Where are your pictures LoveItHere 68? Since you love to one up a mofo?

Gabacho.

[Werqweq]

Here are my previous posts about where to find Doxycycline for cheap. I hope this helps.

And this is more detailed information on where to find the pharmacy. If you walk about 3 blocks east of classic and then go into the metro pasar baru mall and use the furthest east pedestrian bridge to cross the street and go into the other building that is where you will find the pharmacy with the cheap doxycycline.

It's available without a prescription and much cheaper than in Thailand. I paid 15 k IDR for each strip of 10 (100 MG) doxycycline capsules.

-Gabacho.Thanks for that. I followed google maps to two pharmacies near redtop hotel where I'm staying, but could not find either. Not sure if I'm blind or google maps is outdated. :-/

Will look again tomorrow on the way to classic, and if lucking out again, follow your guide.

[Werqweq]

My experience on Tinder was terrible but your experience on Tinder is reassuring enough for me to give it another shot when I next visit Jakarta.

Did any money exchange hands?

Nope. And neither did it exchange with the 28 yo who left half an hour ago, from the "Tandem" language learning app, who I wonder if it was Loveithere who mentioned first. Weird and difficult to use app for our purposes (bang girls nearby, unless you pay for the premium account), and the girl was also a bit difficult. She required not only an hour coffee date (I paid for her coffee of course), but a further half hour of nothingness in my room before accepting my dick between her legs. I was about to run out of patience and kick her out so I could wander over to Emporivm instead before the pool there closes at 11, when she finally succumbed to her lust and spread her legs to receive the holy water.

As with the girl from the morning, I also let this one book grab via my phone, and even walked her down to the car, though admittedly the latter was mostly because she was so embarrassed about "breaking her [silly] rules" that I wanted to chuckle some more about it while going down in the elevator with her in my flip-flops.
Fortunately a group of indonesian women were also in the hallway when we exited my room and were doing the walk of shame together (well, not really together, as I, like all of us here, have long since accepted that I am a male sl0t and held my head high).
In an effort to help future brothers here, who might some day encounter the same girl, I tried to make her see her rules did not have much meaning, and as she clearly enjoyed it and no animals were hurt in the process, she should not feel embarrassed.

In other news, the p4p girl I paid to bang at Classic earlier today (yes, at 15:15 or so there were a couple of dozen girls there), who turns 20 in a few days and uses the Japanese sounding name "Yoko" if I remember correctly, (if not, it was some other Japanese name) insisted on condom. Apart from that she was friendly enough and I tipped her 100 k in the end anyway because she had learned herself to deepthroat rather well, and did not push away as soon as I started filling her mouth with my babyless semen. Said she had only worked there three weeks, which might be true, though I think she's a fast learner if so, as she was already both hinting about there being some sick buffalos in the family, and felt a bit too mercurial in her behaviour.

Also the 19 yo who had twice expressed her willingness to come over here and now while I was still not in Jakarta, and a third time while I was busy, seems to have, somewhat understandably, run out of patience with me and lost her interest. So there's a delicate balance between starting to chat up girls before you've arrived, and making them run bored of you before you're actually able to meet up with them.

[Sychip1]

My experience on Tinder was terrible but your experience on Tinder is reassuring enough for me to give it another shot when I next visit Jakarta.

Did any money exchange hands?

Good to hear also that Grab Feel has been upgraded to taxis. I only used it on the bikes previously.My experience on tinder was great on my 1st trip- 4 out of 4 dates but on my next trip, as you'the expect, with high hopes I was firing blanks and tbh a place like Jakarta where you can have a 3-some for 500 k the motivation to spend that much (or more) on one date who may or may not be up for action later may not make sense for someone who's there for a week or less. You might be wasting quite a lot of time as girls do flake out quite often or they would be saying that the location is far as invariably they would not live anywhere near central Jakarta then you get a sense of how enormous Jakarta is even if you book the Grab for them.

So in short you do get your fair share of horny women but many of them are not in shape, like a large %. Then the ones who are in good shape I'm sure will get a lot messages (though obviously Jakarta has a lot less visitors / tourists than other places), I find myself swiping left like 85%.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Nope. And neither did it exchange with the 28 yo who left half an hour ago, from the "Tandem" language learning app, who I wonder if it was Loveithere who mentioned first. Weird and difficult to use app for our purposes (bang girls nearby, unless you pay for the premium account), and the girl was also a bit difficult. She required not only an hour coffee date (I paid for her coffee of course), but a further half hour of nothingness in my room before accepting my dick between her legs. I was about to run out of patience and kick her out so I could wander over to Emporivm instead before the pool there closes at 11, when she finally succumbed to her lust and spread her legs to receive the holy water.I mentioned tandem as an option, not Loveithere. He's actually contributed very little to this board other than argumentative attitude.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

For those of you who are looking to make a connection with regular girls who are possibly (highly likely) open for fun, check out this language site I discovered. I don't recall seeing it mentioned here previously. It's totally free, with a few restrictions, and easy to strike up a conversation. I'm currently chatting up three 18-20 yo college girls who say they are wanting to learn English but have made it clear they'd also be open to meet up for more. One in particular is 18 and sultry hot and wants to 'tour me around the city but don't tell my parents' when I visit in January. Lots of potential here.

The site is: https://tandem.net/.

I'm also finding a lot of interest from girls on the Litmatch app. Lots of 18-20-somethings but be careful, some eager beavers here who are obviously not of legal age yet either. Do NOT go there.

Badoo is also yielding civilian results at the moment with the same demographic. The girls I've spoken to so far vary. A few came right out and said they want someone to pay them (no issues here altho it's more fun to try my luck scoring freebies first) but I'm also talking to several who are looking for a bule 'holidate'.

Finally, thaiflirting.com (not thaifriendly) is another free site where there are few civilian Indos, although that site is more for Thais and Filipinas. Had very good success with that site when I visited Thailand last year, but again, there are a few ceweks there as well.

Good luck and report back, gents!Plenty of opportunity on tandem, but also Litmatch, especially.

[Werqweq]

I mentioned tandem as an option, not Loveithere. He's actually contributed very little to this board other than argumentative attitude.Sorry about that. Thanks for the tip, as it obviously worked. ;-)

I also installed Litmatch based on your suggestion, but it seems to have locked itself to Spain region for some reason (I first installed and used it there). Haven't bothered trying to uninstalling, or creating a new account for it, yet.

Edit: yes, that seems to have been it. Can only set the region once, so need to delete and create a new account for each region.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Sorry about that. Thanks for the tip, as it obviously worked. ;-)

I also installed Litmatch based on your suggestion, but it seems to have locked itself to Spain region for some reason (I first installed and used it there). Haven't bothered trying to uninstalling, or creating a new account for it, yet.That's weird. When I installed Litmatch here in the US, all I got were Indo girls. Anyway, glad you're finding success on Tandem. I'm getting a lot of responses from real girls (non-pros) on badoo as well.

[Chilli1]

Do you mean regular job girls?

Or you pay 1 mil+.

Worst tinder Jakarta.

Many brokers use female pics and when move to wa refuse calls.

Looking for friend long-term all same asking 1 m.

Those few 1 of 10 match.

Far.

You waste time schedule.

More than half will ghost you.

Save your self time if you Jakarta less than 15 days.

Check admin will approve or delete this on ground report.

[Chilli1]

Found about this location.

Tambora few miles from kota tua.

Not far from city.

Many other location in Bekasi BSD but far.

Went in there with low expectations and it was.

Just a laundry type front face shop.

Upstairs rooms massage girls age 30 to 40.

Here more time available 90 minutes.

Rooms were curtains and twin mattress.

Many women sitting on floor.

I left in 5 minutes or less quick.

Will post address if this get approved.

Not recommended.

[HotDog666]

My experience with Tinder was hilarious or lame depending on your perspective. The lady turned out to look quite a lot older than her pic, and she shows up to this really expensive restaurant with her 20 year old son. They obviously enjoyed my hospitality and she tried to even keep wanting to meet me again and had to block her. There were a couple of others who were interesting on Tinder, but a combination of shortage of time, the other options, and feeling ill meant I couldn't explore them further. I still wonder whether they would have been freebies or where and how the topic of money would have happened if I had taken them for drinks etc. I will go back and try again to find out.


My experience on tinder was great on my 1st trip- 4 out of 4 dates but on my next trip, as you'the expect, with high hopes I was firing blanks and tbh a place like Jakarta where you can have a 3-some for 500 k the motivation to spend that much (or more) on one date who may or may not be up for action later may not make sense for someone who's there for a week or less. You might be wasting quite a lot of time as girls do flake out quite often or they would be saying that the location is far as invariably they would not live anywhere near central Jakarta then you get a sense of how enormous Jakarta is even if you book the Grab for them.

So in short you do get your fair share of horny women but many of them are not in shape, like a large %. Then the ones who are in good shape I'm sure will get a lot messages (though obviously Jakarta has a lot less visitors / tourists than other places), I find myself swiping left like 85%.

[Werqweq]

My experience with Tinder was hilarious or lame depending on your perspective. The lady turned out to look quite a lot older than her pic, and she shows up to this really expensive restaurant with her 20 year old son. They obviously enjoyed my hospitality and she tried to even keep wanting to meet me again and had to block her. There were a couple of others who were interesting on Tinder, but a combination of shortage of time, the other options, and feeling ill meant I couldn't explore them further. I still wonder whether they would have been freebies or where and how the topic of money would have happened if I had taken them for drinks etc. I will go back and try again to find out.FWIW, I'm guessing I've banged about 100 regular girls via tinder or some other dating app (but mostly Tinder), and with one exception, none of them expected any money.
That one exception was a burmese girl in Thailand last year, who turned up as for a normal date, but after half an hour surprised me by expecting money for sex, at which point I kicked her out.

I commend you for entertaining that scheming cow and her son, though it probably means she will pull that same scam again on some other poor fellow.

I'm no online dating expert, but the one tip I will give is never meet anyone at an expensive restaurant. Not even if you're loaded and don't care one ioata about the price of dinner. It simply has the opposite effect of what you want. If what you want to pay for company, Seeking is a much better choice I think. Regular non-p4p girls are better met at a coffee shop or something similar. My favourite is actually the free swimming pool wherever I'm staying.

My date yesterday, I had dinner an hour before, then walked back to my hotel to take a shower and meet her at a coffee shop outside. The same will happen today in a few minutes, though she messaged she's had to wait for her taxi and just got in it now. So not sure if coffee shops will still be open when she arrives.

Chef-girl who I've already banged on the other hand, and who arrived too late for us to go anywhere but my room: I hope she choose a good Indonesian restaurant for our date tomorrow. Given her job, I expect the food to be good Indonesian food, which will be a welcome change for me now that I've eaten dinner by myself at holy cow two days in a row.

[Werqweq]

My experience on tinder was great on my 1st trip- 4 out of 4 dates but on my next trip, as you'the expect, with high hopes I was firing blanks and tbh a place like Jakarta where you can have a 3-some for 500 k the motivation to spend that much (or more) on one date who may or may not be up for action later may not make sense for someone who's there for a week or less. You might be wasting quite a lot of time as girls do flake out quite often or they would be saying that the location is far as invariably they would not live anywhere near central Jakarta then you get a sense of how enormous Jakarta is even if you book the Grab for them.

You are right about that, except I as said do not spend more than coffee and cake money on a first date, as I think that is basically counterproductive. Both time and moneywise.

The best way to use Tinder in places like this, where cheap alternatives are so easily available, is IMO to not expect much, and use neither much time nor money on it. Use it while riding the exercise bike in the gym, waiting for food, relaxing with a cup of coffee, or sitting in a taxi. If you match up with someone, she wants to meet, and you end up banging her, great. If not, book grab to the Classic or whatever and less than 30 EUR later, you will be banging some other girl.

Example: my first two days here different online girls turned up each day, and who I went to bed with (one who I liked and want to see again, is probably better looking than anyone at Classic, and has boobs I think might be the 8th wonder of the world). Today a third girl turned up, and while she was younger than I thought (I couldn't remember her age, and when she asked me to guess I thought she was 25, but she said she was 22), she was at least 5 kg overweight, and had the personality of an accountant (which is what she was). While I, after tossing a virtual coin, made a very half-hearted suggestion of us going up to my room at the end, I didn't really care that she said no. 10 minutes later I was walking over to Classic, where I fucked a 20 yo in the ass.

And in reference to Classic: while 15:30 is hardly the ideal time to turn up, 23:30 is not ideal either. Choosing between one of them, 15:30 is definitely more my cup of tea. No smoke at that time either. I'm guessing around 6 pm has to be the best time.

[Werqweq]

That's weird. When I installed Litmatch here in the US, all I got were Indo girls. Anyway, glad you're finding success on Tandem. I'm getting a lot of responses from real girls (non-pros) on badoo as well.When I created a new account I saw you have to set your region, and you cannot change the region later. I guess I set it to Spain when installing it after reading your post, thinking I'll experiment with it a bit before changing to Jakarta later, but did not remember that it says you cannot change the region after registering.

[Scarer]

I just wanted to double-check regarding all these constant posts about success on the Vanilla dating app. Are you all White men? Because, as far as I know, Asian men often find it difficult to get matches on these apps. South East Asian women are more attracted towards white men if I am not wrong.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

When I created a new account I saw you have to set your region, and you cannot change the region later. I guess I set it to Spain when installing it after reading your post, thinking I'll experiment with it a bit before changing to Jakarta later, but did not remember that it says you cannot change the region after registering.I think you can just uninstall it and create a new account. I have several backup emails solely for the purpose of having multiple accounts on different apps.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

You are right about that, except I as said do not spend more than coffee and cake money on a first date, as I think that is basically counterproductive. Both time and moneywise.

The best way to use Tinder in places like this, where cheap alternatives are so easily available, is IMO to not expect much, and use neither much time nor money on it. Use it while riding the exercise bike in the gym, waiting for food, relaxing with a cup of coffee, or sitting in a taxi. If you match up with someone, she wants to meet, and you end up banging her, great. If not, book grab to the Classic or whatever and less than 30 EUR later, you will be banging some other girl.

Example: my first two days here different online girls turned up each day, and who I went to bed with (one who I liked and want to see again, is probably better looking than anyone at Classic, and has boobs I think might be the 8th wonder of the world). Today a third girl turned up, and while she was younger than I thought (I couldn't remember her age, and when she asked me to guess I thought she was 25, but she said she was 22), she was at least 5 kg overweight, and had the personality of an accountant (which is what she was). While I, after tossing a virtual coin, made a very half-hearted suggestion of us going up to my room at the end, I didn't really care that she said no. 10 minutes later I was walking over to Classic, where I fucked a 20 yo in the ass.

And in reference to Classic: while 15:30 is hardly the ideal time to turn up, 23:30 is not ideal either. Choosing between one of them, 15:30 is definitely more my cup of tea. No smoke at that time either. I'm guessing around 6 pm has to be the best time.Haha, well played!

I've spent so much time in Asia having previously lived there for the better part of two decades, I really have zero interest in spas, high end clubs, escorts and so forth. I enjoy the challenge of bedding a non-pro from one of the apps I mentioned, or some girl I met at a mall or myriad other places on the ground. Classic is always there as a very reliable backup, and I agree with you, I'd prefer to get there early as opposed to late. No rush and many more choices as they come and go.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I just wanted to double-check regarding all these constant posts about success on the Vanilla dating app. Are you all White men? Because, as far as I know, Asian men often find it difficult to get matches on these apps. South East Asian women are more attracted towards white men if I am not wrong.Sorry, what are you referring to as a Vanilla dating app?

I think women, SE Asian and otherwise, prefer guys who dress nice, make an attempt to look nice, and are friendly and fun to be with. That matters more than whether the man is white or not, but sure, generally speaking I think SE Asian women prefer white guys.

[King Squared]

Does anyone know if Emporium will be open on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day? I haven't been able to find any contact information?

[Medellin65]

I read in previous posts that someone managed to do anal at Classic. Is this a rarity or are the chances of getting an ass at Classic good?

[LoveItHere69]

My virgin trip started 11 days ago. I took the Whoosh train from the airport straight to my hotel at the heart of the action. The Ritz-Carlton across the street from the Choo-Choo Caboose also know as 3 C or for you old timers The Train Tracks. Girls lined up on both sides for a whole kilometer starting at 10:00 am. I think they leave at 3 am but never stayed up that late to find out. 100,000 k but not the best of accommodations so only did it 3 times thus far.

Took the Grab Feel++. You can tell because the girls are all wearing mini skirts so you know you have the right one. New travel option where you can feel up the girl and now go downtown too. She said it was in testing phase to check what the demand was. She took my hand and set it between her legs and told me to give it a try. So I banged away. Problem was that swerving left and right and hitting bumps in the road I could not keep my thumb on her little button. It was great and only a 50,000 up charge. Well I thought everything was great until I took off my helmet and the smell hit me. She must have had a whole school of fish die up in there. Had to smell it for 3 days. Subconsciously it did something deep inside my brain because for 3 dinners straight I just had to eat sea food. Especially the clams. On the 4th day thank god it was over and I ate a hamburger.

Classic is trying to drive business up to the 5th floor and celebrate Christmas so their special gift to you is a 3 for 600,000 deal starting on the 21st until January 1. Huge banner outside at the entrance. The building entrance is round and multi colored so I feel Circus would be a more fitting name for the place.

Have had 9 women at Classic. All demanded no condom. Some even admitted they wanted my baby. They took my condom off faster than I could put it on. I do not want any little minions of my own so I explained they would have a much higher chance of pregnancy if I came in their back door entrance. Happily they all were thrilled with the idea and I growled and barked like a dog doing doggie and howled when I came. Those girls brought out the worst in me. My alter ego The Great Cornholio possessed me. Watch this to get an idea of what I am referring to.

Beavis & Butthead. I am Cornholio you must feed the Almighty bunghole!

Win a free prize at Travel. Travel gives you a ticket when you pay your bill on your way out and only if you have taken a girl. Sadly, you do not get 2 tickets if you took the 2 for 500 deal. But you can get a ticket every day until the free drawing on Christmas Day. What do you win? You win a free HO-HO-HO for 3 hours. That is 3 Hoes for 3 hours.

Travel girls are a bit more aggressive. So my girl leads me to the fun suite. We undress. Then she tells me to turn around she has a surprise. Ok, so I turn around. She gets something out of her bag and I wait. Then she tells me to put my arms around my back to her since she is behind me. She then slaps handcuffs on me so fast that she must have done it a hundred times before. She is now in a sexy police uniform and tells me to get on my knees. She asks me, "Who's your Mommy? I look up at her with my puppy dog eyes scared as hell and whimper, "You are my Mommy". She moves a step closer so my head (the wrong head) is resting up against her mound. I start nuzzling her mound against my face and purring like a kitten against her kitty trying to make a new friend and it worked. Her poor razor thin T-back was no match for her wetness and juices start running down her leg. I guess she reached her limit at that point. She picked me up and threw me into the bed like She Hulk. She slips her T-back off, grabs her phone to play some music, gets on, slips my other head inside, and we are off to the races as she starts riding me while yelling "Yee-Haw! All of a sudden her phone music starts playing the theme song to the Lone Ranger. For those unaware here is the must hear theme song I heard playing in the background during our dastardly deed.

The Lone Ranger Theme Song.

I am turned on and scared to death so I came quick and she did too. Fast forward to the end and she tells me to return tomorrow for a threesome with her identical twin sister. Not sure if I should. What do you think?

[Werqweq]

I enjoy the challenge of bedding a non-pro from one of the apps I mentioned, or some girl I met at a mall or myriad other places on the ground. Classic is always there as a very reliable backup, and I agree with you, I'd prefer to get there early as opposed to late. No rush and many more choices as they come and go.Yeah. Classic is such great value for money, with so many girls under one roof, that one might be forgiven for thinking what is the point of even trying to meet normal girls during anything less than a month's stay here.
It's still a healthy thing to do I think, even if the date fails and you have to go to Classic at the end of the evening instead. I can't help thinking if all you meet are hookers it's probably going to affect you in a negative way after a while.

And sometimes you meet someone, who, even during a short stay, you're happy to see again. To do something else with also, other than only hopping in bed.

[Werqweq]

Does anyone know if Emporium will be open on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day? I haven't been able to find any contact information?Message superlove here for David's contact info (papasan at Emporivm), and then you can WhatsApp David to ask. My guess is that it will be open as usual, or even more so.

[Expat American]

Yeah. Classic is such great value for money, with so many girls under one roof, that one might be forgiven for thinking what is the point of even trying to meet normal girls during anything less than a month's stay here.
It's still a healthy thing to do I think, even if the date fails and you have to go to Classic at the end of the evening instead. I can't help thinking if all you meet are hookers it's probably going to affect you in a negative way after a while.

And sometimes you meet someone, who, even during a short stay, you're happy to see again. To do something else with also, other than only hopping in bed.If all you want is the shortest and cheapest route to an orgasm with a pretty 20 yo, you can't beat Classic. But if you want an evening out, dinner, music, drinks and a fuck with an English speaking girl who actually finds you interesting and attractive, then you go the non pro route. The SB route is kind of a halfway between the two. You can have the date and know for sure you are fucking her in the end. A good Seeking connection is great if you're a short term visitor and don't want to waste an evening without getting fucked. Also she won't expect an ongoing relationship (although there are exceptions to this).

[I Love Boobs]

How do I get a GrabFeel ride?

Thanks!

[Werqweq]

Pickings were rather slim at 15:15 today, and I had to sit and idle for 10-15 minutes, waiting for more girls to arrive, before a mamasan brought forwards two girls together who were obviously friends. I had not planned a threesome, as I don't have much experience with that or how to gauge the girls willingness to engage. As we all know, we're not going to get any lesbian p4 p stuff here in Asia, bar exceptional circumstances which an old poster on the Thailand forum (Syzigies, or something like that) were able to pull out of his magic hat, but neither do I want an experience where I have to change condom every time I put my dick in a different pussy or mouth. Thus my previous threesome here at Classic involved a girl I had already fucked and got along well in, who I the next time let choose a friend.

Today was different, as I knew neither girls from before, but the threesome is such a great value for money at Classic that I had to consider it. Also I don't have time to take one girl now to get rapport with her, and come back some other day for a threesome with her. I interviewed them a little bit, trying to get a feeling for things. One of them, Nia, looked rather more thai than indonesian, and spoke English very well. She said she had a midwife degree, and it was because of that. After a minute or two of considering, I nodded ok to mamasan for two girls, paid up the 510,000, and of to the room we went.

Nia's friend spoke no English and was pretty distant and cold, but I did my best to warm her up. I sometimes fail, but if I make an effort I'm decently good at that. She was slow to warm up with me, so things were progressing rather slow with her, while rapport with Nia was good. Nia asked if I wanted to finish once or twice, to which I truthfully answered I was not sure, we will see. We then started with a blowjob, with the mandatory tissue wiping in between them alternating turns as expected. I however did my best to in a playful way limit this to a minimum, and eventually I also got Nia's friend laughing sometimes, though I joked many times that she was an angry girl.

The big question for me was of course if cleaning would be required when alternating pussies. They attempted to do that at first, but I managed to override their attempt. I don't want to say I forced my dick out of one pussy and into the next, as I know there are some idiots, at least in the Thailand forum, who will not understand the difference between play fighting about it, with everyone laughing, and something bordering on rape.

The default modus operandi if you go with these girls will however be that condoms and cleaning will be required, both when alternating mouths and pussies. Depending on how good your social antennas are, you might be able to override one, two, or all three.

Nia asked me to not finish inside her, but I told her I had had a vasectomy, which she with her english and midwife education of course understood what was. I asked her to tell her friend also. After some alternating between pussies I finished in Nia. They then showered, with Nia apparently trying to expunge most of my babyless seemen out of her pussy in the shower, using the usual "stirring the casserole" technique, and asked me I wanted to shower too now. I said I'll wait and relax a bit, and pulled both girls down to me on the bed, one on each side. Rapport with Nia's friend was by now also good.

After 20 minutes or so of relaxation, I put Nia's hand on my dick, and eventually got her to start sucking my dick, again after cleaning with listerine or whatever it is they use for that. After I got hard, I had her sit on my dick while continuing to DFK Nia (she's quite good at that, for those who care about it). Her friend had previously complained about some pain from my dick, so I mostly focused on fucking Nia the session before, and her friend had some difficulty getting my dick (just an average western dick) inside, so I had to flip her onto her back before I could enter. Fucked her for a bit, then changed to Nia, who at first objected a bit and told me to not come inside her again. I think because she did not want to stir the casserole again, so I told her ok, I would not come inside her. She then relaxed and made a good impression of again enjoying the sex.

After a while of this, and while holding her friend down on the bed next to her so she would not run away and hide in the shower ;-), I pulled out of Nia and into her friend again. Again some muttering about no and clean first, but by now rapport was so good that it did not delay the entering. She was now finally also starting to enjoy it a bit, so I could fuck her as I wanted, rather than as in the previous session, going very gently and not all the way, before finishing in her.

No tips had been mentioned so far, but while getting dressed Nia finally asked me I was going to tip them, to which I replied of course. I then gave each of them a 200,000 tip, which seemed to be, as I intended it to be, neither overly generous nor stingy. I mentioned to Nia that I might mention her to some people who are interested in girls who speak English, so if you read this and go see her, and you're not somebody I'd be ashamed to associate with, feel free to say the man from Thailand says hello. Nia btw said she was 22 while her friend was 20. Apparently her friend is more popular because "chinese like small girl". Nia has a more athletic build I'd say.

Also thanks to whoever suggested starting a timer on your phone and showing it to the staff who bring you to your room. As half-expected, they started buzzing the phone at around the one hour mark, rather than the one and a half hour mark. I told Nia to tell the woman at the counter downstairs about this, which I think she did as we walked past it on the way up.

I don't have any normal date for tonight planned, so earlier I kind of thought I'd finally go visit Emporivm again in the evening for a relaxing time in the pool followed by banging a pretty girl, but will see how recharged I feel after gym, as I did not expect to cum twice at Classic this afternoon.

[HotDog666]

Great report.

Out of curiosity, has anyone succeeded in tossing the salad at Classic or for that matter any other venue in Jakarta?

Last time I was there I requested "Mandi Kucing" from a girl there, and she found the phrase hilarious, and laughed uncontrollably. Seemed like she'd never heard it before. Suffice it to say I didn't get the Mandi Kucing. Others flat out refused.


Pickings were rather slim at 15:15 today, and I had to sit and idle for 10-15 minutes, waiting for more girls to arrive, before a mamasan brought forwards two girls together who were obviously friends. I had not planned a threesome, as I don't have much experience with that or how to gauge the girls willingness to engage. As we all know, we're not going to get any lesbian p4 p stuff here in Asia, bar exceptional circumstances which an old poster on the Thailand forum (Syzigies, or something like that) were able to pull out of his magic hat, but neither do I want an experience where I have to change condom every time I put my dick in a different pussy or mouth. Thus my previous threesome here at Classic involved a girl I had already fucked and got along well in, who I the next time let choose a friend.

Today was different, as I knew neither girls from before, but the threesome is such a great value for money at Classic that I had to consider it. Also I don't have time to take one girl now to get rapport with her, and come back some other day for a threesome with her. I interviewed them a little bit, trying to get a feeling for things. One of them, Nia, looked rather more thai than indonesian, and spoke English very well. She said she had a midwife degree, and it was because of that. After a minute or two of considering, I nodded ok to mamasan for two girls, paid up the 510,000, and of to the room we went.

Nia's friend spoke no English and was pretty distant and cold, but I did my best to warm her up. I sometimes fail, but if I make an effort I'm decently good at that. She was slow to warm up with me, so things were progressing rather slow with her, while rapport with Nia was good. Nia asked if I wanted to finish once or twice, to which I truthfully answered I was not sure, we will see. We then started with a blowjob, with the mandatory tissue wiping in between them alternating turns as expected. I however did my best to in a playful way limit this to a minimum, and eventually I also got Nia's friend laughing sometimes, though I joked many times that she was an angry girl.

The big question for me was of course if cleaning would be required when alternating pussies. They attempted to do that at first, but I managed to override their attempt. I don't want to say I forced my dick out of one pussy and into the next, as I know there are some idiots, at least in the Thailand forum, who will not understand the difference between play fighting about it, with everyone laughing, and something bordering on rape.

The default modus operandi if you go with these girls will however be that condoms and cleaning will be required, both when alternating mouths and pussies. Depending on how good your social antennas are, you might be able to override one, two, or all three.

Nia asked me to not finish inside her, but I told her I had had a vasectomy, which she with her english and midwife education of course understood what was. I asked her to tell her friend also. After some alternating between pussies I finished in Nia. They then showered, with Nia apparently trying to expunge most of my babyless seemen out of her pussy in the shower, using the usual "stirring the casserole" technique, and asked me I wanted to shower too now. I said I'll wait and relax a bit, and pulled both girls down to me on the bed, one on each side. Rapport with Nia's friend was by now also good.

After 20 minutes or so of relaxation, I put Nia's hand on my dick, and eventually got her to start sucking my dick, again after cleaning with listerine or whatever it is they use for that. After I got hard, I had her sit on my dick while continuing to DFK Nia (she's quite good at that, for those who care about it). Her friend had previously complained about some pain from my dick, so I mostly focused on fucking Nia the session before, and her friend had some difficulty getting my dick (just an average western dick) inside, so I had to flip her onto her back before I could enter. Fucked her for a bit, then changed to Nia, who at first objected a bit and told me to not come inside her again. I think because she did not want to stir the casserole again, so I told her ok, I would not come inside her. She then relaxed and made a good impression of again enjoying the sex.

After a while of this, and while holding her friend down on the bed next to her so she would not run away and hide in the shower ;-), I pulled out of Nia and into her friend again. Again some muttering about no and clean first, but by now rapport was so good that it did not delay the entering. She was now finally also starting to enjoy it a bit, so I could fuck her as I wanted, rather than as in the previous session, going very gently and not all the way, before finishing in her.

No tips had been mentioned so far, but while getting dressed Nia finally asked me I was going to tip them, to which I replied of course. I then gave each of them a 200,000 tip, which seemed to be, as I intended it to be, neither overly generous nor stingy. I mentioned to Nia that I might mention her to some people who are interested in girls who speak English, so if you read this and go see her, and you're not somebody I'd be ashamed to associate with, feel free to say the man from Thailand says hello. Nia btw said she was 22 while her friend was 20. Apparently her friend is more popular because "chinese like small girl". Nia has a more athletic build I'd say.

Also thanks to whoever suggested starting a timer on your phone and showing it to the staff who bring you to your room. As half-expected, they started buzzing the phone at around the one hour mark, rather than the one and a half hour mark. I told Nia to tell the woman at the counter downstairs about this, which I think she did as we walked past it on the way up.

I don't have any normal date for tonight planned, so earlier I kind of thought I'd finally go visit Emporivm again in the evening for a relaxing time in the pool followed by banging a pretty girl, but will see how recharged I feel after gym, as I did not expect to cum twice at Classic this afternoon.

[Werqweq]

Great report.

Out of curiosity, has anyone succeeded in tossing the salad at Classic or for that matter any other venue in Jakarta?

Last time I was there I requested "Mandi Kucing" from a girl there, and she found the phrase hilarious, and laughed uncontrollably. Seemed like she'd never heard it before. Suffice it to say I didn't get the Mandi Kucing. Others flat out refused.Yeah, the 20 yo girl there that I, with some persuasion, fucked in the ass the night before yesterday did that. Never happened there before though, and I'll chalk it up to the unusual great report between us, and her not being overwhelmingly repulsed by me. I suspected what may be afoot when she started to clean that area in the shower beforehand, and she subsequently did not object when I pushed her head down a bit lower than usual during the blowjob.

Tipped her an extra 300,000 for the anal. Too much? Not sure, but she was a genuinely pleasant girl so I don't care.

For what it's worth, chef-girl (regular date girl) also did that yesterday, but I'm not sure if that was because it was night and I had turned off the light to sleep, and she was both quite tired and also could not see what she was doing. or something else. Anyhow, I wanted to finish in her mouth that time, and as she complained after a few minutes she was tired of the blowjob (well, it had been a tiresome day for her, and it was late), I proceeded to move up and put my balls in her mouth, and then move further up while giving myself a handjob and her licking my ass, before ending up nutting in her mouth and she swallowing. I don't know why she still had not bothered to look up what "vasectomy" means, as she expressed surprise when I did not ejaculate empty air into her mouth ("you can do??").
I was too tired myself to wanting to try and explain much about it, so just suggested she google it tomorrow if she really wants to know.

[Werqweq]

Does anyone know if Emporium will be open on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day? I haven't been able to find any contact information?I asked David there today, who asked around, and they were not sure yet. He said last year they were closed on the 31st, but were not sure yet about this year.

1st it should be open, but I guess you'd need to verify that too.

[Werqweq]

If all you want is the shortest and cheapest route to an orgasm with a pretty 20 yo, you can't beat Classic. But if you want an evening out, dinner, music, drinks and a fuck with an English speaking girl who actually finds you interesting and attractive, then you go the non pro route. The SB route is kind of a halfway between the two. You can have the date and know for sure you are fucking her in the end. A good Seeking connection is great if you're a short term visitor and don't want to waste an evening without getting fucked. Also she won't expect an ongoing relationship (although there are exceptions to this).Horses for courses, and since I never tried I may be wrong, but too me there's not really any difference between a Classic girl and a SA girl. To me the SA girl is just a Classic girl with her nose up in the sky, imagining she's something different or better.

I came to the conclusion I wouldn't have any interest in spending time or money on going on a pretend date with a SA girl before banging her, which is why I on second thought cancelled my SA account after a few days.

That is also the reason I was curious when somebody here (you, if I don't remember wrong) said he went to bed with one or more SA girls without paying them. I became curious how that came about. Did she at the end of the date think you were so charming that she refused the, presumably previously agreed on, amount of money?

[Tiny 12]

I have to agree I see the same unrealistic posts coming from the same members such as bedding SA girls for free and threesomes that were the best they ever had to meeting non pros from dating websites. I'm a decent looking 35 year old white guy and I'm not seeing the same results. My 1st trip was great. 2nd trip wasn't I'the put that down to arriving just after Ramadan and posted that I didn't have a good trip. I had 3 somes and it was a waste of time.

What is it that Occam's razor says? That the most simplest explanation is the most likely one..in other words it didn't happen.Correct Delbo. This is a special kind of trip report, modeled on others written by esteemed board member Offshore Swell, who has had me ROTFLMAO more than once. Hate to break it to you guys, but there is no such thing as Grab Feel.

[Expat American]

Horses for courses, and since I never tried I may be wrong, but too me there's not really any difference between a Classic girl and a SA girl. To me the SA girl is just a Classic girl with her nose up in the sky, imagining she's something different or better.

I came to the conclusion I wouldn't have any interest in spending time or money on going on a pretend date with a SA girl before banging her, which is why I on second thought cancelled my SA account after a few days.

That is also the reason I was curious when somebody here (you, if I don't remember wrong) said he went to bed with one or more SA girls without paying them. I became curious how that came about. Did she at the end of the date think you were so charming that she refused the, presumably previously agreed on, amount of money?I find a huge difference between SA girls and Classic girls. The SA girls I have been with have all been educated, professional jobs and spoke fluent English. They have been Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students, Ages ranged from 22 to 30.

I don't claim to be better looking or more charming than anyone else (although going by some posts here, some guys are probably just huge AH, not you). Seeking requires some proper screening to weed out the obvious pros. But there are a lot of decent girls looking for a variety of different things. I am not the only one with good experiences on Seeking, others have posted positive results as well, several members and I have traded notes on PM about it.

Freebies are probably not common, but they can happen. I didn't go on there looking for freebies. It just happened that one of the girls was married and just looking for fun on the side. She had her own business, own car etc and 2 m IDR would have been an insult. She was into the sex, we had awesome chemistry and it just worked out. A couple of others never mentioned money but I did give some at the end to avoid them expecting a relationship. They were surprised to get it and even disappointed because they were hoping for more of a relationship, which I don't want. Others have discussed money up front and I have paid as per the agreement. But none of the girls were time watchers, all of them enjoyed the sex and all of them wanted to meet again.

Apart from Seeking there are many other options for freebies in Jakarta. But you have to approach it differently.

If a quick non intimate fuck is enough, Classic is great. But I am bored of that scene so now look for other options, of which Jakarta has plenty. If not for you, that's cool, to each their own.

[Kukooo]

Took the Grab Feel++.What is this Grab Feel plus plus? I have not heard of this thing before or could find much on internet?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

What is this Grab Feel plus plus? I have not heard of this thing before or could find much on internet?There's no such thing. Just someone's sick idea of a joke.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

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[Expat American]

What is this Grab Feel plus plus? I have not heard of this thing before or could find much on internet?Its like the secret menu at In and Out. You need to unlock it with the right code words.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

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[Expat American]

I have to agree I see the same unrealistic posts coming from the same members such as bedding SA girls for free and threesomes that were the best they ever had to meeting non pros from dating websites. I'm a decent looking 35 year old white guy and I'm not seeing the same results. My 1st trip was great. 2nd trip wasn't I'the put that down to arriving just after Ramadan and posted that I didn't have a good trip. I had 3 somes and it was a waste of time.

What is it that Occam's razor says? That the most simplest explanation is the most likely one..in other words it didn't happen.Well I guess you must be right. If YOU (especially being WHITE) haven't got the same results, surely NOBODY can. You must be right. The ONLY option in Jakarta are Brothels and Spas. Everything else is just BS. And of course its totally impossible to get a decent threesome even at those places. Everyone who says otherwise is surely blowing smoke. Good for you for calling it out and warning other innocent mongers. Your service to the community is truly appreciated.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Yeah. Classic is such great value for money, with so many girls under one roof, that one might be forgiven for thinking what is the point of even trying to meet normal girls during anything less than a month's stay here.
It's still a healthy thing to do I think, even if the date fails and you have to go to Classic at the end of the evening instead. I can't help thinking if all you meet are hookers it's probably going to affect you in a negative way after a while.

And sometimes you meet someone, who, even during a short stay, you're happy to see again. To do something else with also, other than only hopping in bed.Exactly right. Believe it or not, one does tire of banging hookers at some point. Much rather score, usually repeatedly, with a non-pro girl who enjoys the fun as much as you do.

[Hung Man 1808]

What is this Grab Feel plus plus? I have not heard of this thing before or could find much on internet?I grabbed a feel recently, and it led to some plus plus.

Though it may have been on a Gojek.

[Hung Man 1808]

Well I guess you must be right. If YOU (especially being WHITE) haven't got the same results, surely NOBODY can. You must be right. The ONLY option in Jakarta are Brothels and Spas. Everything else is just BS. And of course its totally impossible to get a decent threesome even at those places. Everyone who says otherwise is surely blowing smoke. Good for you for calling it out and warning other innocent mongers. Your service to the community is truly appreciated.Damn it, it's taken years to get outsiders to only venture to Classic, Travel and Emporium and not even consider going elsewhere. Heck, we even had to wait years till Lokasari and surrounds had all the fun places die off leaving just the 'street scene'. And just about everyone has forgotten about Stadium. Ok well not everyone, but you get the point.

Keep this up and they might venture away from Mangga Besar and Pasa Baru areas.

[Werqweq]

Mate, this 'ExpatAmerican' twat is a complete fraud, as has been discussed before on here. There's zero chance he slept with anyone from SA for free, and neither will anyone else. Good you decided to cancel, the site is totally unnecessary and very expensive (by Indo standards). If you have any game at all, you can do just as well finding hot young ladies who are willing to play on the other apps we discussed. Willing women are everywhere in Jakarta, on the train, in the malls, in the 'regular' bars, online. Anyone who would resort to SA and pay what they charge is very foolish in my opinion.SA is not my cup of tea I either I think, though I will not completely rule out something I have never tried. I do however not share your opinion of EA. I find his posts useful and believable, including his latest explenation about how the free SA date came about.

In other news: after not seeing mamasan Chacha even once in Classic, even though I've been there almost every day for a week now, I finally saw her there today. She said she'd been away for three days. I was so happy I even asked for her WhatsApp, proposed she join me and her girl for a threesome, and gave her a tip even though she did not join us. One of the girls in her flock now is BTW an unusually pretty 18 year old girl who said she's been working there two weeks. She was sweet and did her job well, but I had a rather hard time getting my will with her, and at the end tipped hour double of what I usually tip at Classic for good service (200,000, instead of 100,000) as an appreciation.

Say what you will, but Chacha is the only mamasan there who does not actively repulse me, and I actually enjoy talking with her, and even her touching me in a friendly way. It is only after having suffered the other mamasans for an entire week I fully appreciate how much more decent she is.

[Werqweq]

I find a huge difference between SA girls and Classic girls. The SA girls I have been with have all been educated, professional jobs and spoke fluent English. They have been Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students, Ages ranged from 22 to 30.


Freebies are probably not common, but they can happen. I didn't go on there looking for freebies. It just happened that one of the girls was married and just looking for fun on the side. She had her own business, own car etc and 2 m IDR would have been an insult. She was into the sex, we had awesome chemistry and it just worked out.

Ok, thanks for the explanation. My preference, or interest, is, at least so far in life, quite different from yours then.

I expected SA girls to be more educated and english speaking than girls at Classic, but I don't really care if the girl I paid to bang is a doctor or girl that left school after high school and is now 'ho-ing full-time (sans the presumed increased risk of STDs). She's still just a 'ho that I'm paying to bang and pretend she likes me.

"Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students" . Those things would only start to matter to me if it was some type of ongoing relationship, where it's nice if you can enjoy other things together too. E. g. Chef girl who I met here this time, and is the only girl who I've seen more than once during my two trips to Jakarta, I enjoy spending time with. But since I'm not interested in that with neither SA, nor Classic girls, nor anyone else I'm paying, it naturally does not matter much to me if she's a an engineer or high school drop-out.

[LetMeIn6969]

Pickings were rather slim at 15:15 today, and I had to sit and idle for 10-15 minutes, waiting for more girls to arrive, before a mamasan brought forwards two girls together who were obviously friends. I had not planned a threesome, as I don't have much experience with that or how to gauge the girls willingness to engage. As we all know, we're not going to get any lesbian p4 p stuff here in Asia, bar exceptional circumstances which an old poster on the Thailand forum (Syzigies, or something like that) were able to pull out of his magic hat, but neither do I want an experience where I have to change condom every time I put my dick in a different pussy or mouth. Thus my previous threesome here at Classic involved a girl I had already fucked and got along well in, who I the next time let choose a friend.

Today was different, as I knew neither girls from before, but the threesome is such a great value for money at Classic that I had to consider it. Also I don't have time to take one girl now to get rapport with her, and come back some other day for a threesome with her. I interviewed them a little bit, trying to get a feeling for things. One of them, Nia, looked rather more thai than indonesian, and spoke English very well. She said she had a midwife degree, and it was because of that. After a minute or two of considering, I nodded ok to mamasan for two girls, paid up the 510,000, and of to the room we went.

Nia's friend spoke no English and was pretty distant and cold, but I did my best to warm her up. I sometimes fail, but if I make an effort I'm decently good at that. She was slow to warm up with me, so things were progressing rather slow with her, while rapport with Nia was good. Nia asked if I wanted to finish once or twice, to which I truthfully answered I was not sure, we will see. We then started with a blowjob, with the mandatory tissue wiping in between them alternating turns as expected. I however did my best to in a playful way limit this to a minimum, and eventually I also got Nia's friend laughing sometimes, though I joked many times that she was an angry girl..May I ask Nia is in T2 or T5?

[HotDog666]

One of the most memorable instances of my sex life happened in HK some years back. In a bar, a demure looking girl who I found out later was an accountant looked at me with clear expression of interest. Her guy "friend" showed up later and while she was in the toilet showed me pics of her with random guys having sex, and told me she likes to pick up guys. "No money" he reassured me. When she came back he lifted her skirt to show she wasn't wearing panties. And then urged me to dry hump her there. We followed on with me fingering her while she smoked, on the street (can't quite remember how I managed to get away with that as it wasn't a quiet street) and her giving a great blow job while the guy watched in the back of their SUV. I was game to go back for round two to their place but she claimed tiredness, and whether she gave me the wrong contact details or I took them down wrong, I don't know but I never got to see her again.

Got to say the excitement of having non-pros is something else. Next time I come to Jakarta, I'm definitely going to try getting freebies in malls, tinder, etc.


Ok, thanks for the explanation. My preference, or interest, is, at least so far in life, quite different from yours then.

I expected SA girls to be more educated and english speaking than girls at Classic, but I don't really care if the girl I paid to bang is a doctor or girl that left school after high school and is now 'ho-ing full-time (sans the presumed increased risk of STDs). She's still just a 'ho that I'm paying to bang and pretend she likes me.

"Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students" . Those things would only start to matter to me if it was some type of ongoing relationship, where it's nice if you can enjoy other things together too. E. g. Chef girl who I met here this time, and is the only girl who I've seen more than once during my two trips to Jakarta, I enjoy spending time with. But since I'm not interested in that with neither SA, nor Classic girls, nor anyone else I'm paying, it naturally does not matter much to me if she's a an engineer or high school drop-out.

[Expat American]

Ok, thanks for the explanation. My preference, or interest, is, at least so far in life, quite different from yours then.

I expected SA girls to be more educated and english speaking than girls at Classic, but I don't really care if the girl I paid to bang is a doctor or girl that left school after high school and is now 'ho-ing full-time (sans the presumed increased risk of STDs). She's still just a 'ho that I'm paying to bang and pretend she likes me.

"Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students" . Those things would only start to matter to me if it was some type of ongoing relationship, where it's nice if you can enjoy other things together too. E. g. Chef girl who I met here this time, and is the only girl who I've seen more than once during my two trips to Jakarta, I enjoy spending time with. But since I'm not interested in that with neither SA, nor Classic girls, nor anyone else I'm paying, it naturally does not matter much to me if she's a an engineer or high school drop-out.Hey, you can do what works best for you of course. My point is they are different. And the SA girls all enjoyed the sex (and the date) just like I did. With the right SA girl, they are not doing a "job". Its really a different experience. Its fine if you don't want to try it but its not at all the same thing as Classic any more than McDonalds is the same as Ruths Chris. Both may be beef and both leave you full at the end but the experience is totally different. I'm not against Classic, its a great place for what it is. But there is more (and IMHO better) things in Jakarta than that. That's all I was trying to say.

[LetMeIn6969]

Hot damn! I just got back from Classic T2 and have to write this report while it's still fresh:

Dec 13.8 pm.

I just landed in Jakarta from Phnom Penh after 4 days of lackluster mongering due to the high price and dead fish girls. I spent $500 in Phnom Penh with nothing to write about (you can read my report in that sub).

Thanks to Werqweq's report, I took a Grab to Classic and asked the parking guy which one is better T2 or T5. He said T2, T2 it is. I went up the escalator and asked the doorman for ChaCha; luckily, she's in T2 and working tonight. He went and got her for me. I asked if she knows Nia and she used her laser pointer pointed to her. I'm a big boob kind of guy so Nia wasn't my type but I'm after that threesome Werqweq wrote about; beside, her face is cute.

I asked her if she's Nia (I had in the past some girl just said yes to whatever name I asked just to get the business in Vietnam), and she spoke passable English for me to understand. I told her "the guy from Thailand" told me about you and your friend and I want the same deal. She laughed and said sure but her friend is busy right now. I told her to just pick a girl that she's comfortable with, she picked a 19 years old girl who spoke no English.

Chacha took me by the hand to the cashier to pay with my CC 500 k IDR ($32.01 to be exact). Holy shit, that's the cheapest threesome I've ever had. I love Indonesian's logic: you get a discount for more girls. In other countries, I have to pay triple or more for threesomes.

We went past the pool tables and she asked if I know "that guy from Thailand" personally. I told her that I just read Werqweq's report and follow his advise, she laughed and laughed. That broke the ice.

In the room, the normal routine: wash, Listerine my mouth, then my dick. I had Nia sucking my dick and she went straight to deepthroat and gagged herself. That girl doesn't know how to suck, just went straight gagging then came up for air. I then had Nia licking my balls while her friend sucking my dick. Then I had them swap, out came the Listerine and paper tissues for cleaning. Follow Werqweq's advise, I jokingly said I'm losing wood with all this cleaning that stopped the cleaning.

I'm not brave enough to go "sin condom" and Nia appreciated that, she said "that guy from Thailand" cum in her and she didn't like it. Please don't cum in her!

Condom went on, I had Nia ride me while I play with her friend's pussy. I then say swap and Nia's friend reach for another condom, I told Nia no, no swapping condom and just went straight into her pussy, that stopped the swapping condoms.

While I fucked her friend missionary, I kissed her and had Nia's mouth near by. I alternately kissed them both, her friend was hesitant at first but with my dick in her, I think she lost touch with reality and didn't care. I had Nia face right next to her face and slowly moving their mouths closer to each other until the three of us were swapping spits. Then I put their mouths together and they kissed. I think I just went to heaven, whatever fantasy of me watching two girls kissing on the internet was happening in front of me and I'm a part of it. Holy molly!

So mouths, pussies, fingers went into mouths, pussies, fingers in no particular orders without hesitation. No mouth to pussy just so you know!

I had one on her back, the other kneeling on top and I went in both holes alternately until I nutted on her stomach.

We cleaned up and I tipped Nia 300 k, she asked for more but I said "that Thailand guy" said 200 k. That shut her up. I tipped the other girl 200 k and said because no English, she laughed. I laughed and gave her another 100 k.

I'm planning on coming back tomorrow and ask for Nia again. I'll use her as my personal interpreter with another girl.

Once again, I want to thank Werqweq for the detail report that even though it's my first time in Jakarta I didn't go to the wrong place or pick the wrong girl.

Jakarta is now my most favorite!

[Werqweq]

May I ask Nia is in T2 or T5?T2. I think she is one of Chacha's girls, but I'm not sure since another mama brought her over, but it was a mama that was hanging around the location that Chacha normally stays at. Since I today found out Chacha had been away for some days, I'm guessing that mama was substituting for her. I also think I saw Nia's friend sitting there today, but did not notice Nia.

Chacha's location, and the location I think I saw her friend sitting at today is found like this: enter the room, and continue going straight as long as you can. Chacha's girls will be the girls on your immediate right hand side.

[LoveItHere69]

Seriously? I have to explain this? My post was so outrageous and still people can not figure it out.

Grab is an international company. Western women would be suing on behalf of the Indonesian women if this were true. Grab has an image to uphold and a thing such as Grab Feel would hit the news and woman and some guys would boycott the company in this and many other countries. That is bad business.

How many women do you think work as taxi, Grab, GoJek drivers? Last I read it was 5-7%. Let's just say the total is 10,000 Grab drivers in Jakarta so 700 are women. You think every one of them would allow you you to grab their breasts? No? Let's be optimist and say half 350 which is 3.5% in a city of 10 million people. Not likely you will find one.

It does not exist in Colombia where prostitution is legal. It does not exist in Thailand which is ground zero for sex tourists and even women know this in western countries because it is in many movies. Philippines is a well known country for bar girls being rented out. But so many of you fools think that a Muslim country is the one that has such a thing? Common sense never kicks in? WTF!

Drop the Grab Feel BS guys.

[Werqweq]

Seriously? I have to explain this? My post was so outrageous and still people can not figure it out.
Dude, there are people here asking, in all seriousness, if it's ok to ask the women, who come in to clean the bathrooms at shopping malls in thailand, for a blowjob, and how they should ask it because they can't speak Thai.

Grab a Feel would seem like a perfectly reasonable idea to these people, as we have now all witnessed here several times, each one more funny than the next.

[Tiny 12]

Seriously? I have to explain this? My post was so outrageous and still people can not figure it out.

Grab is an international company. Western women would be suing on behalf of the Indonesian women if this were true. Grab has an image to uphold and a thing such as Grab Feel would hit the news and woman and some guys would boycott the company in this and many other countries. That is bad business.

How many women do you think work as taxi, Grab, GoJek drivers? Last I read it was 5-7%. Let's just say the total is 10,000 Grab drivers in Jakarta so 700 are women. You think every one of them would allow you you to grab their breasts? No? Let's be optimist and say half 350 which is 3.5% in a city of 10 million people. Not likely you will find one.

It does not exist in Colombia where prostitution is legal. It does not exist in Thailand which is ground zero for sex tourists and even women know this in western countries because it is in many movies. Philippines is a well known country for bar girls being rented out. But so many of you fools think that a Muslim country is the one that has such a thing? Common sense never kicks in? WTF!

Drop the Grab Feel BS guys.I thought your post was hilarious, and nobody in his right mind would take it seriously. The Choo Choo Caboose from the airport to the Ritz Carlton, which runs past a kilometer of lusty women competing to sell themselves for 100,000 rupiah?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the credit for the legend of Grab Feel goes to Offshore Swell.

Anyone who tried to feel up a Grab driver would most likely be banned from the service and might just spend some time with the police.

[Werqweq]

Thursday was one of my lasts night in Jakarta. In the afternoon I had gone to Classic
in the afternoon, and had the somewhat better than feared threesome I've
posted about already. In the evening, around 9pm I went over to Emporivum
after gym. Had a chat with David, the gay papasan, and he introduced the
girls working there. When I sat down there were three girls on the 1.4M
side, and 12-15 on the 1.2M side. Last two times I went to Emporivum,
in August, I didn't really see much difference between the two sides,
though the girl I did happen to choose both times (it was the same girl,
just because the second time I did not see anyone else I thought were
all that attractive was on the 1.4M side. This time I could however
see there was some difference.

David asked them to come up to us sitting on the sofa and say hello, or
possibly their name, so I could get a better look, and shake their hands.
After a few seconds I indicated to David he could send them back and I
will sit and look a bit before deciding. None of them immediately jumped
to me as being markedly more attractive than the other, but I thought
either number one or number two, in the order they were sitting, would
be the lucky girl this night, with me after looking some more starting
to lean towards #1.

I asked David to tell me some about her. He said she had not worked
there so long yet, but service was good. He recommended #1. I continued
sitting there for a bit more, and had also ordered a cup of tea earlier
while sitting down with Dave (around 70,000 I think I had to pay for it
when doing the bill later on). While sitting a fourth girl suddenly
appeared on the 1.4M side, and David said I should def. choose her.
He said all comments he'd gotten for her were very good, and I should
choose her. Look-wise she was about the same as #1 too me on the
attractiveness scale, and David asked if I wanted her to come forward,
which I said yes thanks to. She came forward and we chatted a bit.

I got a feeling that she was a bit too mercurial to my taste, or rather,
acting a bit, but it was not overly pronounced. I pondered for a few
moments, but thought as usually I don't put all that much weight given
by papasans/mamasans and usually go with my gut feeling, I'll take a
gamble and follow David's recommendation this time. David had in the
meantime moved away to anouther couch to make the same introductions
to a, possibly Korean, gentleman.

We then relaxed for 20-25 minutes in the pool. A thing thing I like
about this place is that the optional half hour you can choose to spend
in the pool is not subtracted from the 90 minutes you have with the girl
in the room. In the pool I wanted to test the waters (pun intended) a
bit with regards to whether condom would be required or not, by slipping
my dick inside her pussy while we were in the pool. There were other
people in the pool, but we could do it discreetly enough. I moved her a
bit up and down on my dick, but with my shorts and her bikini, it was a
bit painful as expected. Anyway, the point was just to test the waters,
and after a couple of minutes I pulled out due to it being uncomfortable
from the fabric.

By now I know she had the experienced hooker act well internalised.
The girl from August had only worked there a short time (one month I
think), and still had the non-theatrical softness and honesty I prefer,
even if she does not tell me how handsome I am every 5 minute.

In the room she took a shower, then wanted to cuddle a bit, which felt
more like an effort to waste time rather than affection, but I was not
so interested in that and politely pushed her head down to my dick. She
sucked my dick for a while, before I pulled her on top of me. She said
"condom now?", but I just muttered don't want, and started to enter her.
Fucked her for a while in various positions, before cumming in missionary.

Both the rooms and the showers here are of course much better than
classic, and there's a nice mirrorwall right next to the bed where I
enjoyed seeing the pretty 20 year old girl I was fucking.

After finishing I laid down on the bed again while she took a shower,
before coming to join me. The price her is for one shot, and she
expected us to be done I could sense, and just cuddle or something
the rest of the time. After stretching this out for about half an
hour I led her hand to my dick, which seemed to surprise her a bit.
Then pushed her down towards my dick.

After she got me hard again, I, again, somewhat to her surprise or
perhaps mild objections, started to fuck her. I had brought with me some
one-use packs of K-Y, and thought if I had the power for two sessions,
I'd try anal on the second one. Since I had already finished twice with
the threesome girls 4-5 hours before, I was not sure however (old age
creeping up on me). After moving her to doggy-style I put KY on my
fingers and started gently inserting one in her ass.

She protested a little bit, but not much. Eventually my whole thumb was
inside and gently going in and out while I was fucking her pussy with
my dick. I then lay her down on her back, fucked her a bit more with my
dick, and then tried to insert my dick in her ass. Some more objections,
but again, not much. I was however having some erectile difficulties,
and could only partially enter her ass due to the angle and my no longer
very hard dick. Flipped her back to doggy and tried to enter that way,
but dick was getting softer and softer. Entered pussy instead in an
effort to wake junior up, but shortly thereafter had to admit defeat,
somewhat to her relief it felt like.

Girl then pointed me to the shower, indicating I should clean my dirty
hand. Showered, and then she, and then I think somebody rang to say
time was up. Tipped her 500,000, a bit too much I guess, but she did
let me try anal, did let me have a second go, and it was not her fault
I could not finish it.

Anyway, girl was fine and service minded and I'm sure most guys will like
her and will have a good time if the follow David's recommendation and
go with her. It's probably just me who prefers girls a bit more new to
the biz. No doubt she is good looking too.

[Chilli1]

Asked local guy who drives grab.

He Doesn't know about this.


Its like the secret menu at In and Out. You need to unlock it with the right code words.

[Werqweq]

Next day, Friday, I went to again Classic shortly after 3pm, where I as
mentioned fucked a very nice 18 year old girl in Chacha's herd.

She was new to the game and had very, very, little interest in sex
without condom, but could suck dick well (though not deep), and I gave
her a bit of a hard time by having her suck my dick for a rather long
time, rather than fucking her with a condom. She was so pretty I had a hard
time not coming after a few minutes, but I maintained self-control.

After a very long amount of foreplay (cuddling, grinding, kissing softly,
basically everything except going down on her), she finally become
aroused enough to let me enter her pussy without condom, and I tipped
her an extra 100,000 on top of the usual 100,000 I tip for good service.

For the long bj and for doing something she does not normally yet do.
In a few months however I suspect she will be more like the other
girls here in relation to condoms. Had it not been my last day here,
I'd probably would have liked to repeat with her in a couple of days.

Her personality was pleasant and not ho'ish, and body and face was the
best I've seen at Classic. Our tastes vary of course, but given the
choice of her and the girl I paid 2M for yesterday (including the 500,000)
tip, I'd choose this girl in a lineup.

After banging her I walked back to hotel and gym, and pondered a bit about
what I would do after gym and dinner. Emporivum again? I did not want
to go back to Classic T2 again the same day, for some reason, and then
I remembered people here saying T5 was open again, so that was it then.

Ate another great value for money steak at the nearby Holy Cow
restaurant recommended by Banana Boi here (less than 300,000 for 400g
of good quality sirloin), then walked up to classic T5. First time for
me here. Sat down in front of the stage, where I thought I could see
all the girls. Unlike T2, you don't have to move around half a dozen
locations and interact with half a dozen very annoying mamasans, as all
mamasans here handle all the girls. You just have to signal for one,
and then point out the girl(s) you want to look at.

I had a hard time seeing anyone I liked however. Finally saw somebody
I thought looked interesting, but by the time I managed to flag a
mamasan down, some asian guy with some other mamasan had choosen her.
Tried to find another girl without luck, and wondered whether I should
go down to T2 again after all, when I finally spotted a girl I thought
was attractive enough. Sadly she spoke less english than anyone I've
met her, so it's the first time I had to use google translate to even
get across the most basic of questions, but managed to get some rapport
anyway, so said I'd like to go with her.

Went down to the room, in the process walking past what I now realized was
the other half of the stage, having an equal number of other girls I had
not seen before.

While stripping down in the room down I saw I had some messages on my
phone, including one from a 19 yo tinder girl I mentioned here before
I think, but who'd I'd given up on meeting after I had to ignore her
three times (because I had not yet actually arrived in Jakarta yet),
and then she flaked on me once or twice.

After she did that I muted any notifcations from her. I'd still see
her messages if I opened whatsapp to read other messages, but I'd not
get distracted while working or doing other things by her notifications.

Basically I had put her in the "waste of time" category; a girl who is
not sure if she really wants to meet or not and did not want to
get distracted by her nonsense.

I had not had any contact with her for 3-4 days and had forgotten about
her, but now saw she had messaged me some hours ago while I was eating
at Holy Cow. I had not seen her whatsapp message since I had muted her,
but when I opened my phone to read chef-girls message I saw 19 yo's
message also. 19 yo was asking if I wanted to meet her now. "If not,
it's ok".

As I was standing there naked in the room with the T5 girl I pondered
this for a second, but figured I had nothing to loose by inviting her
over again, even if she would just flake on me again. Thus I replied
to 19 yo that yes, she could come over if she wanted.

Then showered with T5 girl, and onto the bed, with some more than usual
insistence on condom on her part. After 10 minutes of grinding and
finger foreplay (I'm not interested in going down on any p4p girl, or
regular girls either unlike I like them enough to be wanting to see them
semi-regularly), she was however horny enough to let me slip my dick in.
She was enjoying me fucking her quite a bit I could see, and is probably
one of the hornier girls I've fucked at Classic I think.

After I finished in her I got the usual surprise, and she got the usual
vasectomy spiel from me, and then she surprisingly enough seemed to
genuinely want to cuddle until time was up. I had during the process
realised she was a genuinely sweet girl who perhaps even liked me a
bit, so even though all communication had to be via google translate,
I had a pleasant enough time just relaxing with her head on my chest
after finishing.

In between her sucking my dick and me fucking her I had however been
intermittently corresponding with 19 yo girl, saying if she'd come
in an hour, that would be good, as I was my way back from dinner now
(via a detour to Classic which I did not find it particularly relevant
to mention). I didn't really expect her to show up, but I had offered
to book grab for her, and she had sent me the address, asking me to tell
her before booking, so after relaxing with T5 girl for some 10 minutes,
I indicated it was time to shower, showered, and hastily paid and got out,
as cell reception up in T5 was too poor to figure out what I needed to
do on grab in order to book the trip for 19 yo.

[StinkyFeet]

She protested a little bit, but not much. Eventually my whole thumb was inside and gently going in and out while I was fucking her pussy with my dick. I then lay her down on her back, fucked her a bit more with my
dick, and then tried to insert my dick in her ass. Some more objections,
but again, not much. I was however having some erectile difficulties,
and could only partially enter her ass due to the angle and my no longer
very hard dick. Flipped her back to doggy and tried to enter that way,
but dick was getting softer and softer. Entered pussy instead in an
effort to wake junior up, but shortly thereafter had to admit defeat,
somewhat to her relief it felt like.Could you describe the girl, wondering what a 1. 4 mil anal girl could possibly look like. Slender? Chubby? Hour glass figure? Big shoulders? No waistline? White pale skin? Dark brown skin? Flat breasts? Saggy breasts? Baby damage?

[Kazeu]

A bit of wishful thinking there gaijin. Pretty universally, most women prefer men from their own cultures. But more than that, women prefer non broke guys. Being a white guy in Indonesia automatically puts you in the non broke category. Congratulations. Given the choice and equal income levels. Most indos are going to prefer other indos. Of course you're going to get the occasional outlier.


Sorry, what are you referring to as a Vanilla dating app?


I think women, SE Asian and otherwise, prefer guys who dress nice, make an attempt to look nice, and are friendly and fun to be with. That matters more than whether the man is white or not, but sure, generally speaking I think SE Asian women prefer white guys.

[Rajdasking]

Was back in Jakarta for 4 days, loved it and already missing it. On a busy business trip, no time to setup new SBs nor say Hi to Mr Dave. Got my fav SB from last time to stay with me for 4 days instead, 3 hrs from me landing my cock was inside her mouth! The SB investment from last trip reaps rewards. Didn't realise this city had such high end dining places either. I stayed more south this time, SCBD area with nice upscale apartment, great seafood restaurants, nice bars, enjoyed each one very well with my SB date. Work Dine Fuck Repeat. SCBD area is modern and very different from my previous stay at Movenpick area. Took her shopping as well, just some clothes and exploring nice malls. Introduced some kinks this time to her; BDSM and brought my toys as she wanted to explore that world, so a successful sub in the making.

Meeting her up in Bali next month for a week, this one is a keeper and fulfils all my needs.

I note some comments, arguments etc on the sugar scene here and lots of DMs. I can't answer all your questions chaps, plenty of information about the sugar dating scene on the internet, reddit forums and some paid forums. Suggest you start there. This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating. Educate yourself, I'm posting so other seasoned SDs around the world know there is a target rich scene here and can invest for rewards. Much better than Europe and Dubai IMO.

Virtūs et Honos my fellow SDs! Let the haters hate.

RDK out.

[Rajdasking]

Hey, you can do what works best for you of course. My point is they are different. And the SA girls all enjoyed the sex (and the date) just like I did. With the right SA girl, they are not doing a "job". Its really a different experience. Its fine if you don't want to try it but its not at all the same thing as Classic any more than McDonalds is the same as Ruths Chris. Both may be beef and both leave you full at the end but the experience is totally different. I'm not against Classic, its a great place for what it is. But there is more (and IMHO better) things in Jakarta than that. That's all I was trying to say.I'm scheduling to fly more regularly here as opposed to European cities now where I usually do my SB trade. Also thinking of some other university rich SE Asia cities, initial research suggests very good target rich environment, reminds me of the good old days.

[Rajdasking]

Ok, thanks for the explanation. My preference, or interest, is, at least so far in life, quite different from yours then.

I expected SA girls to be more educated and english speaking than girls at Classic, but I don't really care if the girl I paid to bang is a doctor or girl that left school after high school and is now 'ho-ing full-time (sans the presumed increased risk of STDs). She's still just a 'ho that I'm paying to bang and pretend she likes me.

"Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students" . Those things would only start to matter to me if it was some type of ongoing relationship, where it's nice if you can enjoy other things together too. E. g. Chef girl who I met here this time, and is the only girl who I've seen more than once during my two trips to Jakarta, I enjoy spending time with. But since I'm not interested in that with neither SA, nor Classic girls, nor anyone else I'm paying, it naturally does not matter much to me if she's a an engineer or high school drop-out.LOL agree mate, you are definitely not meant to be for the SugarDating scene!

For me the sex is just not enough anymore, I want much more these days hence my preference for SugarDating. I trade my time, explore kinks with like minded multiple SBs instead of purely a financial transaction based deal. I could never go back to the purely transactional nature of hookers / escorts anymore.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating.LOL! Just keep telling yourself that.

[Werqweq]

Could you describe the girl, wondering what a 1. 4 mil anal girl could possibly look like. Slender? Chubby? Hour glass figure? Big shoulders? No waistline? White pale skin? Dark brown skin? Flat breasts? Saggy breasts? Baby damage?Slender, had waist, firm boobs, white skin, no baby, and some ass. I doubt anyone with baby works at Emporivum, unless they've managed to take so good care of themselves that it's impossible to see.

[Expat American]

Was back in Jakarta for 4 days, loved it and already missing it. On a busy business trip, no time to setup new SBs nor say Hi to Mr Dave. Got my fav SB from last time to stay with me for 4 days instead, 3 hrs from me landing my cock was inside her mouth! The SB investment from last trip reaps rewards. Didn't realise this city had such high end dining places either. I stayed more south this time, SCBD area with nice upscale apartment, great seafood restaurants, nice bars, enjoyed each one very well with my SB date. Work Dine Fuck Repeat. SCBD area is modern and very different from my previous stay at Movenpick area. Took her shopping as well, just some clothes and exploring nice malls. Introduced some kinks this time to her; BDSM and brought my toys as she wanted to explore that world, so a successful sub in the making.

Meeting her up in Bali next month for a week, this one is a keeper and fulfils all my needs.

I note some comments, arguments etc on the sugar scene here and lots of DMs. I can't answer all your questions chaps, plenty of information about the sugar dating scene on the internet, reddit forums and some paid forums. Suggest you start there. This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating. Educate yourself, I'm posting so other seasoned SDs around the world know there is a target rich scene here and can invest for rewards. Much better than Europe and Dubai IMO.

Virtūs et Honos my fellow SDs! Let the haters hate.

RDK out.Welcome to real Jakarta! My first visit was confined to the North Jakarta Ghettos where I discovered Classic and thought it was amazing (and is for what it is). Next trip I tried higher end places like Emporium and could see how they were a so much more relaxed experience and well worth the premium. Last two trips its been mostly SB (last time I didn't go to Classic at all and Emporium just once) and had amazing SB experiences, with kinky BDSM and nice dates with smart, educated and good looking women. Its like SA used to be in the US 10-15 years ago. There are members on here who will never see the value, but if you have the resources and a bit of personality, there is far better things in Jakarta.

I also found amazing high end dining that will run over 1 m for two but world class quality in SCBD. Next trip I'm going to stay south of the monument closer to the nicer parts of the SCBD and focus on the Sugar dating and non pros. Like you, the soul less commercial fuck is not good enough anymore. I can only fuck about 2 x per day anyway so the rest of the experience is more important.

However, if $9/ night hotel is your style and Joni Steak is your idea of good food then this is definitely not for you.

[Kazeu]

I thought I made it pretty clear. It quite possibly may be true they preferred you a "rich" foreigner that happened to be white. But given all else being equal, they would choose someone from their own culture. It just makes sense. There is a stigma associated with being with a foreigner which most normal women prefer to avoid. I've spent plenty of time in asia. I've had my fair share of asian GF. No need to dick measure.


Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.

[Expat American]

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.[Deleted by Admin] That was 12 years ago and Asia has changed. Korean pop culture is preferred to Hollywood, the Korean look is revered. Also SEA has been flooded with broke white pensioners in their singlets and gigantic beer bellies expecting all Asian women to drop their panties if they just look at them. Sorry, but that's not true anymore. I am not White. In Jakarta I have mongered and partied in civilian clubs with a mixed group with White, Asian-American and Indian guys. The White guys had THE WORST experience of all of them. The White guys had more girls refusing BBFS, less interest in the clubs and overall whined about the loss of the White Privilege. Actually it was kind of fun to see.

[LoveItHere69]

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.You did not learn much in 20 years then. Most women prefer their own cultures, race, religion, and so on. Asians more so than all the others because the girl's family and friends are everything to them. It is hard to integrate you a foreigner into their world (friends and family). Foreigners have different beliefs, values, interests (movies, food, etc.). Much easier to to be with someone who shares a similar chilhood and life style to relate to. There are exceptions but they are a far minority. Family comes first for most asian women. When she has a baby the baby is first, her mommy and daddy second, and foreigner husband is last. I am not sure if that changes much if they marry a local husband. They like family and she would be happier with a local husband's family versus a foreigner husband's family.

White guys usually only win if she is a materialistic girl who wants your your money or wants a ticket to Europe, USA, or wherever. I know a guy who married a Filipina and brought her to the USA They had 2-3 kids but she cheated and left him for a Filipino guy living in the USA.

[Werqweq]

As soon as I exited Classic for better cell reception I google maps-ed
up the address 19 yo sent me and found what looked like the same location
on grab. Getting ready to book, I sent her a screenshot for her to
verify, and pretty exactly two hours later I was banging her on my bed.

She was a really shy girl. Cute, but about 5kg overweight. Since I
booked her Grab myself (well, what do you know, the grab a feel option
is gone now), I could see when she would arrive, and I was preparing
a bath. I like to relax in a bath, alone also, but especially with a girl,
and one of the things Redtop hotel has going for it over Movenpick is
that redtop has a bath thub. I suspect everything else, possibly sans the gym,
is better at Movenpick though.

So as I went down to the lobby in the elevator with another guest, as
soon as the elevator door opened, I saw this girl standing in front
of it, waiting. I gave her a wave and a smile, and she jumped in the
elevator, and we went back up. I made some polite small talk, not
really being sure if she would understand much english or not. Our
text messages had gone fine, but I didn't know if she was using google
translate or not, so I asked her about that in the elevator, and she
said she did not use translate.

We went into my room, and I was playing some music. She asked to turn
on the tv, and turn off the light. I refused turning off the light,
but agreed with her in the end that we could turn off the main light,
and leave the tv and hallway light on. Sat down on the bed for
a few minutes, and then I asked if she wanted to join me for a bath?
She was not sure what a bath was, and thought I meant shower?
I told her they were not the same, and she wanted to see what it was.

I showed her, and she said it was a shower. I told her no, it's not.
A shower is where you stand up and water falls down on you, but this
is a bath. You sit down. She said, but you both get wet the same, so
it's the same. We then had an argument about this and I kicked her the
hell out, before handjob-ing myself to sleep.

Well, not exactly. She said I could go shower myself, and she would
just wait on the bed. I said I would go take a bath then.

She was to shy to jump into the bath with me, so I took a bath myself
for 15 minutes (why waste the warm water), and then joined her wearing
my towel, as she was sitting on the bed and playing on her phone.

There are 18 year olds who life has matured enough to be pleasant company
(the beautiful 18 year old at Classic), and there are are 19 year olds who
are annoyingly immature, and tonight's victim was in the later category.

Later on I suspect it was kind of because her experience so far had
been mostly with Chinese/Japanese/Korean people, and, eh, from what
I've seen in Japanese porn, Japanese people kind of like girls who act like her
("what are you doing"? "why are you doing that?" "what are you doing?").

Anyway, after we'd been laying next to each other on the bed for some
minutes, I gently forced her head down on my chest ("what are you doing?",
"nooo", "what are you doing?"), and stroked her head as she lay there
for some 5-10 minutes, eventually also gently caressing her breasts.

After I felt she was relaxed, I gently rolled her over on her back, and
started to gently kiss her neck, lips, etc. She was now also getting
aroused and started pulling me in for some proper kissing, while I
started to fondle her breast more hard, and also pulling up her skirt
and grinding against her underwear. I did this for a while, her getting
more and more horny, before pulling her up to a sitting position and
started to work on removing her bra. She asked me if I could do it,
and a few seconds later I had removed it.

I laid her down again, continued grinding my dick against her underwear,
and now also kissing her breasts, and I could feel her getting more and
more horny. After some more of this, I pulled off her underwear,
but not skirt as I was not sure how it was zipped up, and started
slowly inserting my dick into her pussy.

I pumped in and out for some 20-30 seconds, to seal the deal so to say,
before I pulled out to get rid off the skirt. She had insisted on turning
of most off the light a short while after she came in, and I couldn't see
where the skirt was locked up. So after I started pulling it down, she
told me to wait, wait, and opened it herself. I lifted her legs up in the air, against my shoulders, and
then pulled off the skirt, and continued banging her. I could tell she
really liked this, as she was spreading her legs wide and pulling me deep
inside her, though at the same time I could her it also pained her a bit,
so I went less deep for a while, before she started pulling me deeper
again.

In the end I shot my babyless sperm inside her, and got usual surprise
from her about why I came inside her, and she got the usual spiel from me
about my vasectomy. She however continued to worry, saying she needed to
eat the pill. I told her she did not need to do it because blah-blah,
and tried to assure her, but she was still worried. So I spent a few
minutes trying to further assure her as best I could, but not really
all that much I could do. Told her in the end she could take medicine
if she wanted, but there was no reason to do so.

Anyway, now she was no longer nervous about the sex with me anymore
(instead she was nervous about being pregnant, which is hardly an improvement
from her point of view unfortunately), and since we had already fucked
she felt less shy and we could talk about stuff.

She asked me if I had had sex with many girls in Jakarta. I said yes.
She asked how many? I said five every day. She said OMG. I then
joked that she had to leave soon, as another girl was coming at 1 am.
She asked really? So she had to go? I played along for a while,
until admitting I was only joking. We then talked about her experience,
which I was curious about.

Although only 19 years old (at least that's what her tinder profile says,
and it looks about right to me), she has certainly been slutting around.
She'd banged three Koreans, I think she said 4 or 5 Japanese, and she
could not remember how many Chinese. She said they all had really small
dicks and she was so sad because she could not feel anything. I asked
about Indonesians? She said she had not had sex with any indonesians.
She was afraid (not sure of what).

I then made some joke about this, and OMG, so many men you have had
sex with. I have never had had sex with anyone from Korea, nobody from
Japan, nobody from China, or actually, one from Japan, but only one.
This made her laugh a bit, and she asked about the Japanese girl,
and I said it was while I was visiting Japan for a few days, but
no Korea, no China.

She told me she had never had sex with bule before, and she wanted to try.
I asked if it was a good experience or bad experience? She said it was
good, because big dick, but it also gave her some pain. But she like.

We then blah-blahed a while more, and I found out she'd meet all those
asian dudes on two other dating apps. One I've used myself before
(WeChat), while the other I had never heard of (TanTan), but which I
have since then downloaded, even if not yet registered on.


I said she was welcome to sleep over if she wanted, or she could go back
home if her mother was worried about her, as last time I messaged her
and she was being indecisive about coming, she said she was having a
fight with her mother at the moment and could not come now, but could
come at 7 or 8 pm. Then she said it had started raining a lot there,
and she had to walk out to some hallway where the taxi car could not
enter, even if I booked a car, and after that I just muted her.

Well, I could understand from the Grab booking I made for her today that
at least the walk out was true, and maybe the rain too.

She asked me if I wanted her to stay. It was my last night, and while
I had asked for a slightly later checkout when it started to look like
this girl was coming over, she was not really my type personality wise.
I also had planned to spend the time between breakfast and checkout to
pack my things, before idling away some hours at the gym until Classic
started to get populated. Those things would be easier to do if I did
not have to entertain a guest.

Had it been chef-girl or the 18 yo from Classic I would have answered
"yes, I want you to stay" so that I could bang them a few more times,
but in this case I just said she was welcome to stay if she wanted.
She said she was not sure, so I told her, ok, but she needed to decide.
If she wanted to stay I wanted to turn off the light and sleep now,
and then we continued laying next to each other and talking for a bit,
before she said she would leave at 1 am (in about 20 minutes), when the
other girl would come.

I laughed and told her that was just a joke, and she could stay if she
wanted. I think she wanted me to say I really wanted her to stay and
blah-blah, and had it not been my last day and I did not have to do the
packing and gym and blah-blah, I'd probably have said it to be polite,
but also because I would have meant it. As the case was now I preferred her
to leave however for practical reasons, though I of course did not say that.

Maybe she picked up on it anyway, as around 1 am I let her use my phone
to book grab, which took her back home. Some more worried pregnancy
messages from her which I then tried to answer, and in the end
she seemed to have read an indonesian text about it that I sent her,
asked me if it meant I was "sterile", and stopped worrying.

Slept, and after gym the next day I did a quick walk over to Classic.
Had messaged mamasan Chacha about what time she was starting work,
but she said 5pm. At that time I planned to be at least half way to
the airport, so instead I had to suffer one of the other mamasans.

Could not see anyone I wanted to go with for the first 5 minutes after
I arrived at 3 pm (and I saw a chinese dude come back out with two
girls shortly after I arrived, so he was obviously there even earlier),
but suddenly a girl in red with a see-through dress appeared that was
my type. Beckoned her over via the mamasan and exchanged a few words.
She wanted me to take her friend also, which my instinct was to say no to,
but then asked who her friend was, and thought her friend looked ok too,
so said ok.

She said she was 20 and had worked there for one week. And her friend
was also 20 and had also worked there for one week. Well, possibly
they are 20, and possibly they have only worked at Classic for one week,
but if so, they have definitely been whoring elsewhere before.

Not as mercurial as the typical Bangkok go-go girl, but these, especially
the one I had initially selected, and who could speak English, were
starting to annoying me. Sucked dick for a few minutes, then wanted
to put on condom and have sex. I had to stop her, and this repeated
four-five more times, before I told her I did not like all this talk
about condom condom condom all the time while giving me a blowjob.
In the end I agreed to tip them each 200,000
for no condom (after lol-ing at her original demand of 500,000 each),
and then fucked both of them, alternating between pussies.

As far as girls at Classic goes, my least satisfactory fuck due to
their "no this, no that" attitude. With other girls I felt we could all
laugh and have a good time, but with these girls the laughs were hard to
come by. No surprised look or questions from them when I came inside
either, so I'm guessing at least they learned to use the pill wherever
it is they were whoring before.

Anyway, we parted on good terms and with some laughs, though they
are not girls I'd repeat. I then did a quick walk back to Redtop,
booking Grab while walking, and departed for Bangkok.

Hope to visit Jakarta again next summer too, perhaps at the start
and at the end of my Bangkok vacation.

[Werqweq]

That was 12 years ago and Asia has changed. Korean pop culture is preferred to Hollywood, the Korean look is revered. Also SEA has been flooded with broke white pensioners in their singlets and gigantic beer bellies expecting all Asian women to drop their panties if they just look at them. As far as K-Pop and Korean tv is concerned, that certainly seems to be true for the majority of girls in my experience too now. E. g. , 19 yo I just posted about, we also talked a bit about what kind of guys she found handsome. She couldn't name one western guy. Had no idea who western movie stars are. It was all Korean as far as she was concerned. She even had some Korean drama playing on the tv while we were banging. Not sure if she tried to imagine it was the Korean guy on tv fucking her instead of me.

That said: while I'd have to think some more about the exact reasons, as a white guy I am no doubt bedding a lot more hot young girls in Jakarta and Thailand than I am at home (I'm excluding p4p here of course). I'm sure novelty is one important factor.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I thought I made it pretty clear. It quite possibly may be true they preferred you a "rich" foreigner that happened to be white. But given all else being equal, they would choose someone from their own culture. It just makes sense. There is a stigma associated with being with a foreigner which most normal women prefer to avoid. I've spent plenty of time in asia. I've had my fair share of asian GF. No need to dick measure.What I said was pretty clear and I stand by what I said.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

So for my upcoming multi-month trip to Jakarta, I'm seriously considering staying in South Jakarta to check out the clubbing scene there. Places like Kemang, Cindalak, Blok M area, etc.

I'm 64 yo with a prosthetic leg and do not need to get laid every single day. I much prefer the chase of a 'regular' or semi-pro part-time girl as opposed to places like Classic, Travel, etc.

I have zero interest in spas or overpriced brothels with swimming pools, etc. And certainly not the grossly overpriced SA.

In just a few days of online recce, I've already had a lot of interest from the online sites and apps I previously mentioned from women from the 18- mid-30's range, most of whom seem to be in South Jakarta or Bekasi. Am in regular chats with several of them, all of whom I plan to meet at some point after I arrive in late January.

My question is. Do any of you (other than ExpatAmerican) have any intel you could provide on the South Jakarta nightclub scene (other than Blok M, which is well documented already)? I've garnered it's pretty active and full of young Indo girls eager to do it with a hung bule, age irrelevant.

My modus operandi will be to do chase down there, and around Blok M, with an occasional trip to Classic and / or Lokasari Plaza if things don't pan out as quickly as planned.

Thanks in advance for any intel any of you can share.

Gg.

[Sychip1]

As soon as I exited Classic for better cell reception I google maps-ed
up the address 19 yo sent me and found what looked like the same location
on grab. Getting ready to book, I sent her a screenshot for her to
verify, and pretty exactly two hours later I was banging her on my bed.

She was a really shy girl. Cute, but about 5kg overweight. Since I
booked her Grab myself (well, what do you know, the grab a feel option
is gone now), I could see when she would arrive, and I was preparing
a bath. I like to relax in a bath, alone also, but especially with a girl,
and one of the things Redtop hotel has going for it over Movenpick is
that redtop has a bath thub. I suspect everything else, possibly sans the gym,
is better at Movenpick though.
Fantastic report. I've had very similar experiences with the dating apps and good that she actually showed up especially if the weather was bad. As in Jakarta that can mean flooded roads as I almost had to swim to cross the road a few weeks ago. You really have a knack for details, I will make a mental note to ask for the MMS names and ask them to spell it next time for my own reference and to share with you all in my next report.

[MrHappyKat]

I find a huge difference between SA girls and Classic girls. The SA girls I have been with have all been educated, professional jobs and spoke fluent English. They have been Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students, Ages ranged from 22 to 30.

I don't claim to be better looking or more charming than anyone else (although going by some posts here, some guys are probably just huge AH, not you). Seeking requires some proper screening to weed out the obvious pros. But there are a lot of decent girls looking for a variety of different things. I am not the only one with good experiences on Seeking, others have posted positive results as well, several members and I have traded notes on PM about it.

Freebies are probably not common, but they can happen. I didn't go on there looking for freebies. It just happened that one of the girls was married and just looking for fun on the side. She had her own business, own car etc and 2 m IDR would have been an insult. She was into the sex, we had awesome chemistry and it just worked out. A couple of others never mentioned money but I did give some at the end to avoid them expecting a relationship. They were surprised to get it and even disappointed because they were hoping for more of a relationship, which I don't want. Others have discussed money up front and I have paid as per the agreement. But none of the girls were time watchers, all of them enjoyed the sex and all of them wanted to meet again.

Apart from Seeking there are many other options for freebies in Jakarta. But you have to approach it differently.

If a quick non intimate fuck is enough, Classic is great. But I am bored of that scene so now look for other options, of which Jakarta has plenty. If not for you, that's cool, to each their own.I've yet to visit Jakarta, that will happen in April next year. But I have been on Seeking for 10+ years, primarily in the US, but I have also used it in Europe, UK, South America, and most recently, the Philippines. I expect my experiences in the Philippines will be similar to what I will find in Jakarta. As Expat American says, the Seeking women are generally not the same as massage or freelance sex workers. I have been in the monger space for over 30 years, and my 1st trip to Angeles City was made more successful than I anticipated with the assistance of a fellow ISG member, and I am thankful for his guidance and advice.

I come to Jakarta with the objective of finding great experiences. Trying to get those at the lowest possible cost is, in my considered opinion, counter-productive and is likely to lead to ruin. Instead, I intend to try a variety of venues and channels (in-person and online) to meet women who will rock my world (or at least rock my day). I have ample funds to support a generous budget. That includes places like Classic and Emporium, as well as freelances in nightclubs, and dating apps like Indo Cupid, TF and definitely Seeking. Looking at the Jakarta-centric profiles on Seeking now I can already see that the mix of viable women that will likely provide an amazing experience for perhaps 25% of what I may pay in LOS Angeles, is exponentially higher than LA. And yes, Seeking dates are generally much more intimate than what one may find at Classic, which I appreciate. For me, having a hot, 20-something, charming, articulate student or professional treat me like her boyfriend for several hours ending in wet, sloppy passionate and (probably) bareback sex is so much more than I expect from a 90-minute line-up pick. Don't get me wrong, I intend to bang a fair number of babes from Classic and the like. But since I am not price-conscience, I won't mind if I pay 365 k for one nut, and 2 m for another.

Now I am probably even less attractive than Expat American! Ok, that came out wrong (Sorry EA!) I mean to say I am old and fat, so not winning any young hearts over with a non-existent 6-pack. But based on my Seeking results at home, where I maintain a stable rotation of 5 women aged 21 to 38 (including 2 A-List porn stars), I know I can be charming, funny and charismatic. If some of you are contemplating using Seeking, I suggest you give it a try. Use real pics (if you can) with your shirt on! And be authentic about who you are and what you want. Then start messaging and see what happens. Like any similar freelancer-ish scenario, never pay in advance, of course. And never mention anything about P4 P on the site (instant ban). Instead, move the chat to WhatsApp, Line or similar and then you can schedule a date, talk about expectations and establish some rapport.

I'll be in Jakarta 4/1/25 to 4/20/25. Then on to Bali for a few days before coming home. Delighted to meet up with any ISG brother who may be around at that time.

[Werqweq]

Hot damn! I just got back from Classic T2 and have to write this report while it's still fresh:


We went past the pool tables and she asked if I know "that guy from Thailand" personally. I told her that I just read Werqweq's report and follow his advise, she laughed and laughed. That broke the ice.
...

While I fucked her friend missionary, I kissed her and had Nia's mouth near by. I alternately kissed them both, her friend was hesitant at first but with my dick in her, I think she lost touch with reality and didn't care. I had Nia face right next to her face and slowly moving their mouths closer to each other until the three of us were swapping spits. Then I put their mouths together and they kissed. I think I just went to heaven, whatever fantasy of me watching two girls kissing on the internet was happening in front of me and I'm a part of it. Holy molly!

So mouths, pussies, fingers went into mouths, pussies, fingers in no particular orders without hesitation. No mouth to pussy just so you know!
Sounds like you treated them well and also got your money's worth. That sneaky trick for getting them to kiss together I'll be remembering for the future. ;-)

I remember having a similar experience when I followed in the sloppy footsteps of another member here in Bangkok, where the girl also started laughing when I mentioned him and it broke the ice immediately.

Great report. Hope you continue posting.

[Expat American]

Sorry, but I don't get that. She asks you to come outside (worried about pregnancy probably), you agree to do that, but then you come inside her, but also outside her, so that she will think you only came outside?

Apart from lying, which I hate, what is the point? For her to believe she does not have to worry about getting pregnant from you, and not go to the pharmacy and get the morning after pill?Then people wonder why foreigners are shunned and BBFS becomes unavailable. It is really sad to see how some prolific posters on this board behave. And if this is what they are willing to admit on the board, I wonder what really goes on behind closed doors. Its not people overpaying that spoil the market. Its downright abusive behavior towards the girls that is more likely to ruin the reputation.

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[Lumens]

I've yet to visit Jakarta, that will happen in April next year. But I have been on Seeking for 10+ years, primarily in the US, but I have also used it in Europe, UK, South America, and most recently, the Philippines. I expect my experiences in the Philippines will be similar to what I will find in Jakarta. As Expat American says, the Seeking women are generally not the same as massage or freelance sex workers. I have been in the monger space for over 30 years, and my 1st trip to Angeles City was made more successful than I anticipated with the assistance of a fellow ISG member, and I am thankful for his guidance and advice.

I come to Jakarta with the objective of finding great experiences. Trying to get those at the lowest possible cost is, in my considered opinion, counter-productive and is likely to lead to ruin. Instead, I intend to try a variety of venues and channels (in-person and online) to meet women who will rock my world (or at least rock my day). I have ample funds to support a generous budget. That includes places like Classic and Emporium, as well as freelances in nightclubs, and dating apps like Indo Cupid, TF and definitely Seeking. Looking at the Jakarta-centric profiles on Seeking now I can already see that the mix of viable women that will likely provide an amazing experience for perhaps 25% of what I may pay in LOS Angeles, is exponentially higher than LA. And yes, Seeking dates are generally much more intimate than what one may find at Classic, which I appreciate. For me, having a hot, 20-something, charming, articulate student or professional treat me like her boyfriend for several hours ending in wet, sloppy passionate and (probably) bareback sex is so much more than I expect from a 90-minute line-up pick. Don't get me wrong, I intend to bang a fair number of babes from Classic and the like. But since I am not price-conscience, I won't mind if I pay 365 k for one nut, and 2 m for another.

Now I am probably even less attractive than Expat American! Ok, that came out wrong (Sorry EA!) I mean to say I am old and fat, so not winning any young hearts over with a non-existent 6-pack. But based on my Seeking results at home, where I maintain a stable rotation of 5 women aged 21 to 38 (including 2 A-List porn stars), I know I can be charming, funny and charismatic. If some of you are contemplating using Seeking, I suggest you give it a try. Use real pics (if you can) with your shirt on! And be authentic about who you are and what you want. Then start messaging and see what happens. Like any similar freelancer-ish scenario, never pay in advance, of course. And never mention anything about P4 P on the site (instant ban). Instead, move the chat to WhatsApp, Line or similar and then you can schedule a date, talk about expectations and establish some rapport.

I'll be in Jakarta 4/1/25 to 4/20/25. Then on to Bali for a few days before coming home. Delighted to meet up with any ISG brother who may be around at that time.I am road testing SA for one month and I totally agree. Not to sound like an ad but so far the the woman off of Jakarta seeking have been amazing. Yes, I know there is "the pussy is pussy" school of thought. Yes, I have been to classic a fair number of times. I think the sex is definitey better from seeking girls. I wish in were not the case but a 22 year old who averages 8-12 dudes a day,7 days a week from a dark depressing couch dungeon for their cut of 100 k per dude is not going to be as into it. Plus there is none of this listerine on a kleenex on your dick for 10 minutes type business. But Seeking girls do take a little time and they do ask for real money. For my income level it is not sustainable to these woman more than once a week. 2-3. 5 mil seems to be the range. Long term seeking is probably a nice occasional supplement to going on my regular frequent visits to my favorite cheaper quality spa options.

[LoveItHere69]

I'll be in Jakarta 4/1/25 to 4/20/25. Then on to Bali for a few days before coming home. Delighted to meet up with any ISG brother who may be around at that time.Ramadan is March 1 - March 29 in 2025 and many places are closed. Then they have Eid al Fitri where everything is shut down from March 30-31. Most places close even more than the 2 days which I assume is more before than after Eid al-Fitri. So be sure to ask the girls you are meeting with. It is like Christmas where everything is closed and people are with family and friends. Be sure to check and re-check.

[LoveItHere69]

I've literally been going to Classic every single day since Nov 4 and sometimes I go twice a day (terminal 2 earlier then terminal 5 later). I have never had any girl at Classic give me a CBJ it's always always a BBBJ standard by default and I've only had two (out of like 30 so far) not provide BBFS for an extra tip.

Most times I'm all in for like 515 k or 565 k plus the 5 k exit fee.So 515,000 or 565,000 - 365,000 = 150,000 - 200,000 tip.

28 out of 30 BBFS is 93% success rate, 7% failure rate.

I am on my fourth trip here and never had anywhere near that rate and my junk is totally shaven clean. I met a guy on my first trip at the same hotel we were staying at and asked him what his BBFS rate was at Classic during his 9 day trip thus far and he had already had 2 say condom required (78% BBFS success rate). I had gone to Classic roughly 9 times too and had 3 say condom required (67% BBFS success rate). This guy comes for 2 weeks every 3 months for the last year.

This trip I actually ran into him at Classic. This time he asked me what my BBFS rate was because something had changed. I told him I had only been here 5 days with 5 girls and already 2 condom required girls. He said he was 2 for 4 (50% BBFS success rate). He is older but a clean cut and dressed. Said he was offering same tip amount for BBFS 150 k-200 k. I offered only one girl the 200,000 and told her I would cum outside (which I do) and had vasectomy and still no. I have had a few girls since, so around 10 total. 5 required condoms (50% BBFS success rate). Two girls stated "No condom. No sex. ". They did not yell it or say it mean. They stated as fact with no hesitation. The finality and the speed of the reply and the confidence with no time thinking about it told me one thing. The bar or mamis are teaching them.

Classic and Travel are same owners so I went there. Thus far 5 girls with 3 requiring condoms. Start at 150,000 and raise to 200,000 for all 3 girls and all said no. Tell me if this sounds familiar: one of the girls stated "No condom. No sex." No thinking time required. Not mad. She was just stating how it was. The bar or the mamis are training them.

The smart tall girl I mentioned before. I took her on my fifth visit. She noticed and commented that I like to take different girls whenever I visit. I grab a girl and gone to the room in under 15 minutes on most all my visits so I am never seen for long so if she noticed, many other girls hade too. So if you have been there 30 times and sometimes twice a day all the girls would notice and no way so many would be doing BBFS with you. It is called getting a reputation.

I also contacted a newbie on his first visit who went to Classic 5-6 times and had a roughly 50% BBFS rate.

So in summary. One newbie and two guys who have visited many times have had almost identical BBFS results on past visits except this visit which we both had less BBFS results. Travel has a near identical pass / fail rate is its sister company for me. I go 5 times to Classic and the new girl gave me a "repeat offender" reputation. Things that make you go, "Hmmmm?

[Kazeu]

What I said was pretty clear and I stand by what I said.So do I. You're experience was not my experience. People have different experiences. Nothing new. My anecdotes have just as much validity as yours. Asians really do prefer to date asians. Just as blacks really do prefer to date blacks and so on. But everyone prefers to date rich. Lets just agree to disagree.

[Kazeu]

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.I will concede that SE Asian women may prefer *you*. But its not because you're white. I don't know you. You seem to have had a good experience being white in SE Asia. Maybe you've got model like looks. Maybe you're exceptionally charming. Congratulations. There may be something special about you. But to credit it to your whiteness would be giving a false impression to others on this board. People coming to SE Asia and expecting to be favored because they are white are going to be surely disappointed. Bring your money. Your whiteness the women don't care about.

[Kazeu]

As far as K-Pop and Korean tv is concerned, that certainly seems to be true for the majority of girls in my experience too now. E. g. , 19 yo I just posted about, we also talked a bit about what kind of guys she found handsome. She couldn't name one western guy. Had no idea who western movie stars are. It was all Korean as far as she was concerned. She even had some Korean drama playing on the tv while we were banging. Not sure if she tried to imagine it was the Korean guy on tv fucking her instead of me.

That said: while I'd have to think some more about the exact reasons, as a white guy I am no doubt bedding a lot more hot young girls in Jakarta and Thailand than I am at home (I'm excluding p4p here of course). I'm sure novelty is one important factor.I don't know how old you are, but generally in Asia, age gaps in relationships are more accepted than in western societies where feminism has taken hold. Where a younger woman in the west would immediately rule you out as disgusting and creepy if the age gap were more than 10 years. A young woman in SE Asia might see you as a potential long term mate. And of course, you have money.

[Kazeu]

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.Sorry to harp on this topic. But also keep in mind, Americans, especially white Americans have a different definition of what a beautiful asian woman looks like. Asian culture and asian men usually prefer lighter skinned, thinner women. Have you seen some of these korean K-pop women? Not an ass in sight. Where as american men will accept the darker skinned women and really some of the ones that locals do not find attractive. So being a foreigner you may just be getting the what local society considers dregs. I have seen some of what I consider to be the ugliest Asian women with white foreigners. This is actually a good thing. Everyone is happy.

[Gabacho]

I arrived at classic some time between 6 and 6:30 pm. Grabbed a table and asked for Chacha and then asked her for Nia. Nia now sits on the back row of the couches to the left of the entry way to the stairs to go down to the rooms.

She's a bit taller than what I usually go for but I wanted to see if I can get the same treatment as "that guy from Thailand" so I decided to pull the trigger. Eventhough she is taller she has darker skin and a pretty more oval shaped (as opposed to rounded) face, which I found attractive.

I the room she didn't disappoint. She agreed to BBFS for 200 k tip just as weqwek had mentioned. After taking a mutual shower and towel drying she busted out the listerine right away. Wiped me down thoroughly and even wiped my balls and underneath my balls close to my ass. This sparked my curiosity a bit so during the blow job, as she was licking my balls, I pushed her head down lower and much to my surprise she started licking my asshole while stroking my cock. This felt really good and blanquito got really super hard.

Finally I had her get on top and ride me a bit until she got tired, then I got on top and did my usual power thrusting power driver and this time I got my orgasm quicker than usual and blew my load deep inside her in the pile driver position (with her permission, incase the haters are wondering).

Afterwards we showered again and then she gave me a nice back and leg massage until the phone rang. Then we got dressed and I got a selfie with her and then we left the room.

She does speak some English for those of you who like that.

Total cost 365 k plus 200 k tip and 5 k exit fee.

Gabacho.

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[VagigiLover]

Yea, its because you have money. Really no one wants to date the white guy. Nor the black guy, nor any foreigner really. Try dating and not offering to pay the bill. The days of white novelty have long passed with globalization.It is both. Being a Singapore expat for three years it had nothing to do with my Cisco salary as a director, more the American thing and yes white too. Never paid to play, but had a different on at least weekly. Once you are settled in, they are looking to marry and have the ability to move to US.

[Gabacho]

So 515,000 or 565,000 - 365,000 = 150,000 - 200,000 tip.

28 out of 30 BBFS is 93% success rate, 7% failure rate.

I am on my fourth trip here and never had anywhere near that rate and my junk is totally shaven clean. I met a guy on my first trip at the same hotel we were staying at and asked him what his BBFS rate was at Classic during his 9 day trip thus far and he had already had 2 say condom required (78% BBFS success rate). I had gone to Classic roughly 9 times too and had 3 say condom required (67% BBFS success rate). This guy comes for 2 weeks every 3 months for the last year.Well I'm not in my 60's 50's or even 40's.

I also try to speak a little bahasa to them telling them" kamu cantik" and asking "kamu darimana" (most reply Jawa Barat or Sumatra). Maybe that plays a role in it I don't know. And also I have sometimes paid 300 k tip although that was when I first got here in November not recently, I try not to go over 200 k now.

Try increasing to 300 k and see if you get more acceptance.

You don't have to believe me tho, it makes no difference to me.

Maybe everything I post is just made up.

[Irish Mongrel]

It just happened that one of the girls was married and just looking for fun on the side. She had her own business, own car etc and 2 m IDR would have been an insult. She was into the sex, we had awesome chemistry and it just worked out.

Didn't happen to be a yellow MG. Have a regular freebie in the same set up - met her thru Tinder years ago. Going to definitely have to give SA a run.

[Werqweq]

I don't know how old you are, but generally in Asia, age gaps in relationships are more accepted than in western societies where feminism has taken hold. Where a younger woman in the west would immediately rule you out as disgusting and creepy if the age gap were more than 10 years. A young woman in SE Asia might see you as a potential long term mate. And of course, you have money.Yes, that is another very valid point. Perhaps the most important one.

Biggest acceptable age gap I've personally experienced in the west is 14 years, which was a couple of years ago. That was unfortunately rather unusual for me. In Asia, it's 25 I think, most recently this month, and quite common for me.

By "acceptable" I mean the girl / woman seemed to be interested in having a long term relationship, possibly marriage eventually, age gap notwithstanding.

I'm of course, for the sake of these examples ignoring all possible relationships of the type where the girl is living a very poor life, or somewhat desperate for other reasons (ugly, fat, single mother, etc.), and only counting women with both plenty of other options than me, and a decent jobs and education. Some having had both a higher education and a bigger salary than me, both in the west and in Asia (I'm not particularly well salaried).

[Kazeu]

It is both. Being a Singapore expat for three years it had nothing to do with my Cisco salary as a director, more the American thing and yes white too. Never paid to play, but had a different on at least weekly. Once you are settled in, they are looking to marry and have the ability to move to US.
If you're talking about dating in Singapore. That's a completely different market entirely. It is SE Asia, but completely different from its surrounding countries. Singapore is a country of immigrants and expats. There is much less stigma there in dating a white foreigner. Pretty much everyone there is a foreigner. I'm pretty sure you paid in one way or another. No shame. No judgement. It is what it is. Singapore is a highly materialistic country. I wonder how you would've fared without your Cisco salary.

[Werqweq]

So 515,000 or 565,000 - 365,000 = 150,000 - 200,000 tip.

28 out of 30 BBFS is 93% success rate, 7% failure rate.

I am on my fourth trip here and never had anywhere near that rate and my junk is totally shaven clean. I met a guy on my first trip at the same hotel we were staying at and asked him what his BBFS rate was at Classic during his 9 day trip thus far and he had already had 2 say condom required (78% BBFS success rate). I had gone to Classic roughly 9 times too and had 3 say condom required (67% BBFS success rate). This guy comes for 2 weeks every 3 months for the last year.

This trip I actually ran into him at Classic. This time he asked me what my BBFS rate was because something had changed. I told him I had only been here 5 days with 5 girls and already 2 condom required girls. He said he was 2 for 4 (50% BBFS success rate). He is older but a clean cut and dressed. Said he was offering same tip amount for BBFS 150 k-200 k. I offered only one girl the 200,000 and told her I would cum outside (which I do) and had vasectomy and still no. I have had a few girls since, so around 10 total. 5 required condoms (50% BBFS success rate). Two girls stated "No condom. No sex. ". They did not yell it or say it mean. They stated as fact with no hesitation. The finality and the speed of the reply and the confidence with no time thinking about it told me one thing. The bar or mamis are teaching them.

Classic and Travel are same owners so I went there. Thus far 5 girls with 3 requiring condoms. Start at 150,000 and raise to 200,000 for all 3 girls and all said no. Tell me if this sounds familiar: one of the girls stated "No condom. No sex." No thinking time required. Not mad. She was just stating how it was. The bar or the mamis are training them.

The smart tall girl I mentioned before. I took her on my fifth visit. She noticed and commented that I like to take different girls whenever I visit. I grab a girl and gone to the room in under 15 minutes on most all my visits so I am never seen for long so if she noticed, many other girls hade too. So if you have been there 30 times and sometimes twice a day all the girls would notice and no way so many would be doing BBFS with you. It is called getting a reputation.

I also contacted a newbie on his first visit who went to Classic 5-6 times and had a roughly 50% BBFS rate.

So in summary. One newbie and two guys who have visited many times have had almost identical BBFS results on past visits except this visit which we both had less BBFS results. Travel has a near identical pass / fail rate is its sister company for me. I go 5 times to Classic and the new girl gave me a "repeat offender" reputation. Things that make you go, "Hmmmm?I'm not so sure all the girls talk about BBFS amongst themselves and what guys do it. Last summer (a threeseome at classic that I posted about here), I first banged the girl I liked solo, without condom. Next time when I took her and her friend, she made an effort to get me to agree to using condom while her friend was showering and could not see what we were talking about. So I'm pretty sure at least this girl did not mention me fucking her without to condom the day before to who was I think her best friend at Classic (I let the girl choose her friend for the threesome, and I could see they were really good friends when we were in the room).

Regarding mamasans, a few girls have told me to not tell mama about it, and I think all of them have opened the condom before throwing it away, sometimes even after we have finished showering and getting ready to leave the room. So I'm pretty sure they are instructed to use condom, but with so many not doing it, I'm thinking it can't be a very firmly enforced rule.

My own rate during my week in Jakarta this month, for statistics sake: Went to Classic 6 times, had 8 different girls (two threesomes). Was refused BBFS once. So a "failure rate" of 1/8, or success rate of 88% if you wish.

Perhaps more interesting: if I remember correctly, only two girls (the threesome with the mercurial girls on my last day, before departing for the airport), demanded that I tip them, and demanded to know how much.

I think only one other girl asked me if I would tip her before shortly before I inserted my dick in her sans condom (did not ask how much), while the rest did not say anything about tip beforehand (which is a more pleasant experience of course), though I of course tipped them too.

So if I remember correctly, of the 7/8 girls who did BBFS, three asked to know I would tip them beforehand, and two of them were a pair (threesome). From that I deduce that while the girls probably expect a tip for BBFS, it might not be the main issue stopping you. Instead I will suggest to invest more time in foreplay and arousing them by rubbing your bare dick against their pussy, or if you're the type who likes to go down on p4 p-girls or one night stands, do that too of course. I've never entered a girl bareback without her implied permission, but in the end, they too get aroused. I suggest this, combined with a tip, will lead to better success rate.

Hardest case was the prettiest girl I banged at Classic, an 18 yo who IMO was prettier than almost any girl at Emporivum, but she had dark skin so could probably not work there because of that. It took a good 40 minutes before I could enter her, and I was about to give up. The one girl I did fail with was also pretty, but not so pretty that I wanted to expunge the effort I did on the 18 yo, so after 5 minutes or so without success (I offered tip also), I rubbered on and fucked her with the condom.

That said: I'm concerned many of these girls are not on the pill (for some idiotic reason I cannot fathom. The same is the case in Thailand). The only reason I'm banging them without condom so freely is that I've had a vasectomy, so I know there's no risk of that with me (+ I use prep and pep as std precautions). Hopefully everyone here knows girls can get pregnant, even if you pull out, and is not so deranged that he wants to contribute to an increase in the population of fatherless children in Jakarta.

[Werqweq]

I will concede that SE Asian women may prefer *you*. But its not because you're white. I don't know you. You seem to have had a good experience being white in SE Asia. Maybe you've got model like looks. Maybe you're exceptionally charming. Congratulations. There may be something special about you. But to credit it to your whiteness would be giving a false impression to others on this board. People coming to SE Asia and expecting to be favored because they are white are going to be surely disapointed. Bring your money. Your whiteness the women don't care about.I don't think that is right. You of course know how obsessed a lot of asians are with whiteness, and the plethora of skin whitening cream they use.

You're not going to be treated as Buddha even if you're white and have a belly the same size as him, but being a white foreigner is definitely a plus over being a black foreigner here.

[Kazeu]

I don't think that is right. You of course know how obsessed a lot of asians are with whiteness, and the plethora of skin whitening cream they use.

You're not going to be treated as Buddha even if you're white and have a belly the same size as him, but being a white foreigner is definitely a plus over being a black foreigner here.Whiteness matters more for women to attract asian men. Much less so the other way around. Go walk around a Watsons pharmacy in Asia, look at all the whitening products. How many of them are for men? How many of them are for women?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I don't think that is right. You of course know how obsessed a lot of asians are with whiteness, and the plethora of skin whitening cream they use.

You're not going to be treated as Buddha even if you're white and have a belly the same size as him, but being a white foreigner is definitely a plus over being a black foreigner here.Sorry, Kazoo, you're wrong. Being a white foreigner is definitely a plus in SE Asia. That's been established pretty much since the dawn of everything.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I've yet to visit Jakarta, that will happen in April next year. But I have been on Seeking for 10+ years, primarily in the US, but I have also used it in Europe, UK, South America, and most recently, the Philippines. I expect my experiences in the Philippines will be similar to what I will find in Jakarta. As Expat American says, the Seeking women are generally not the same as massage or freelance sex workers. I have been in the monger space for over 30 years, and my 1st trip to Angeles City was made more successful than I anticipated with the assistance of a fellow ISG member, and I am thankful for his guidance and advice.

I come to Jakarta with the objective of finding great experiences. Trying to get those at the lowest possible cost is, in my considered opinion, counter-productive and is likely to lead to ruin. Instead, I intend to try a variety of venues and channels (in-person and online) to meet women who will rock my world (or at least rock my day). I have ample funds to support a generous budget. That includes places like Classic and Emporium, as well as freelances in nightclubs, and dating apps like Indo Cupid, TF and definitely Seeking. Looking at the Jakarta-centric profiles on Seeking now I can already see that the mix of viable women that will likely provide an amazing experience for perhaps 25% of what I may pay in LOS Angeles, is exponentially higher than LA. And yes, Seeking dates are generally much more intimate than what one may find at Classic, which I appreciate. For me, having a hot, 20-something, charming, articulate student or professional treat me like her boyfriend for several hours ending in wet, sloppy passionate and (probably) bareback sex is so much more than I expect from a 90-minute line-up pick. Don't get me wrong, I intend to bang a fair number of babes from Classic and the like. But since I am not price-conscience, I won't mind if I pay 365 k for one nut, and 2 m for another.

Now I am probably even less attractive than Expat American! Ok, that came out wrong (Sorry EA!) I mean to say I am old and fat, so not winning any young hearts over with a non-existent 6-pack. But based on my Seeking results at home, where I maintain a stable rotation of 5 women aged 21 to 38 (including 2 A-List porn stars), I know I can be charming, funny and charismatic. If some of you are contemplating using Seeking, I suggest you give it a try. Use real pics (if you can) with your shirt on! And be authentic about who you are and what you want. Then start messaging and see what happens. Like any similar freelancer-ish scenario, never pay in advance, of course. And never mention anything about P4 P on the site (instant ban). Instead, move the chat to WhatsApp, Line or similar and then you can schedule a date, talk about expectations and establish some rapport.

I'll be in Jakarta 4/1/25 to 4/20/25. Then on to Bali for a few days before coming home. Delighted to meet up with any ISG brother who may be around at that time.You can get the same thing from Badoo.com without paying the stupid money SA requires. I have 8 young Badoo ladies ranging in age from 18 to 29 who are awaiting my visit in January. All are in college and speak good English and don't have delusions of grandeur, unlike those on SA.

[Werqweq]

Whiteness matters more for women to attract asian men. Much less so the other way around. Go walk around a Watsons pharmacy in Asia, look at all the whitening products. How many of them are for men? How many of them are for women?Well, our opinions differ here. I think it matters a fair amount to many women too. Black prince charming might not get rejected because he's black, but white prince charming will usually far much better and have to work less for it.

Amount of whitening products is probably more related to amount of products in general for men. Most girls I've met have ten times the amount of skin care products that I have (10 times zero, I guess. ;-)). Until some years ago, I didn't even have one. Now I have one.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

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[Gabacho]

I'm not so sure all the girls talk about BBFS amongst themselves and what guys do it. Last summer (a threeseome at classic that I posted about here), I first banged the girl I liked solo, without condom. Next time when I took her and her friend, she made an effort to get me to agree to using condom while her friend was showering and could not see what we were talking about. So I'm pretty sure at least this girl did not mention me fucking her without to condom the day before to who was I think her best friend at Classic (I let the girl choose her friend for the threesome, and I could see they were really good friends when we were in the room).

Regarding mamasans, a few girls have told me to not tell mama about it, and I think all of them have opened the condom before throwing it away, sometimes even after we have finished showering and getting ready to leave the room. So I'm pretty sure they are instructed to use condom, but with so many not doing it, I'm thinking it can't be a very firmly enforced rule.

That said: I'm concerned many of these girls are not on the pill (for some idiotic reason I cannot fathom. The same is the case in Thailand). The only reason I'm banging them without condom so freely is that I've had a vasectomy, so I know there's no risk of that with me (+ I use prep and pep as std precautions). Hopefully everyone here knows girls can get pregnant, even if you pull out, and is not so deranged that he wants to contribute to an increase in the population of fatherless children in Jakarta.My statistics are pretty much in line with yours. I also have had girls tell me not to say anything to their mamasans and also have opened up the condom and throw it away into the trash, I even took it a step further and will open up the condom unroll it on my fingers and spit into it and then throw it into the trash and give the girl a thumbs up and say bagus.

I too have done DATY on more than a few of them as well and I feel like that helped to break the ice. The two that let me bareback without even mentioning a tip or how much (there was one in T5 and the one in T2 with orange hair) were both ones I went down on before the act.

To add to your last point, there are other forms of birth control besides "the pill" for example in Colombia many women have a why shaped implant in their upper arm just under the skin which is another form of birth control, others also have IUDs and I believe there may be once a month injections for birth control now too. "the pill" is like the old school 1990's form of birth control.

-Gabacho.

[Kazeu]

Well, our opinions differ here. I think it matters a fair amount to many women too. Black prince charming might not get rejected because he's black, but white prince charming will usually far much better and have to work less for it.

Amount of whitening products is probably more related to amount of products in general for men. Most girls I've met have ten times the amount of skin care products that I have (10 times zero, I guess. ;-)). Until some years ago, I didn't even have one. Now I have one.In all my years in asia, I've never heard any man talk about trying to whiten his skin. Its for women, because asian men like lighter skinned women.

You are completely right, that there is a hierarchy of races in asia. Asia is completely racist. If one must date a foreigner, usually Asians from Japan and Korea are preferred, then white, black, and rounding out the bottom are Indians. Don't ask me why Indians are at the bottom. I have no idea.

[Werqweq]

In all my years in asia, I've never heard any man talk about trying to whiten his skin. Its for women, because asian men like lighter skinned women.

Walk through the mens section of skin care products in a Thailand store and you will see they have "whitening" products for men too, so somebody must be buying them. The unfortunate Hi-so Bangkok-wife of a dark Isaan farmer perhaps?

[Kazeu]

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.Gaijin. A lot has changed in 20 years. We may be talking about completely different times. I would agree that 20 years ago, a white man would have been considered more of a novelty and would have definitely had an advantage.

[GreenBud]

A lot has changed in 20 years. We may be talking about completely different times. I would agree that 20 years ago, a white man would have been considered more of a novelty and would have definitely had an advantage.I would disagree in the proper context.

IMO, any guy from a Western world with an average salary would usually be preferred by the girl over a local in that third world making that country's average salary. Green card / chain migration is an another issue.

20-30 years ago, I asked numerous Thai go-go girls this question. Which would you prefer. A foreigner or a Thai, who has all the same attributes. Job / salary, looks, heart / personality. They all said Thais.

Oh, I probably shouldn't have weighed in. LOL!

Observations from my first time: Last night in front of Classic Hotel, I saw a bus with East Asians. A large bus. My, my.

Also, some posters mentioned that Classic 2 had dim lighting. It has dim lighting at your tables in the middle. But the most of the girls are sitting on the couches that surround the bar; and that area has good lighting, so you can see their faces. Not their bodies since they wear dresses. You can easily walk around and see most of the girls. There's pool tables there, if anyone plays pool.

I read the forum. If it wasn't for this forum, I would have been scared of being overcharged, since they don't hand you a bill like other places / countries. I didn't notice any rip-off attempts. I walked around like an expert, with my beads.

OK BB, you're right. Jakarta is good.

[ILuvThePussy]

So 515,000 or 565,000 - 365,000 = 150,000 - 200,000 tip.

28 out of 30 BBFS is 93% success rate, 7% failure rate.
I was in Jakarta for 4 days and went to classic everyday at around 6 pm. I fucked 2 girls each day so 8 girls total and they all provided BBFS. The tall girl put in raw without even asking as did most of the girls. 2 girls wanted the guarantee of a tip of around 200 k which I gave every girl anyway. Small sample size and maybe if I went more days and built up a reputation they may have stopped.

[ILuvThePussy]

You sound jealous as hell because you're not white, son.Do you know what being white represents to these people? It means you don't have to work outside, meaning you either have a well paying indoor job or are rich enough to not have to work outside. So it basically translate to the fact that you have money and thus a higher status. Same with being a foreigner, especially an American. They assume we have money. It all boils down to money. Why do you think South Koreans and Japanese guys are getting more attention than white guys in Thailand now? Because they spend more money. But then again maybe it is your super sexy prosthetic leg that's getting the ladies going lmao.

[StinkyFeet]

Walk through the mens section of skin care products in a Thailand store and you will see they have "whitening" products for menPerhaps it's products for men that like other men.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Do you know what being white represents to these people? It means you don't have to work outside, meaning you either have a well paying indoor job or are rich enough to not have to work outside. So it basically translate to the fact that you have money and thus a higher status. Same with being a foreigner, especially an American. They assume we have money. It all boils down to money. Why do you think South Koreans and Japanese guys are getting more attention than white guys in Thailand now? Because they spend more money. But then again maybe it is your super sexy prosthetic leg that's getting the ladies going lmao.I never said it had nothing to do with money. That's universal. If you're white in SE Asia, you're seen as having money, quite obviously. What's your point?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

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[Werqweq]

Perhaps it's products for men that like other men.LOL. Maybe. Thinking about it now, I do remember a Thai ex-GF had a rich gay friend who I think she mentioned was using whitening cream.

[MrHappyKat]

You can get the same thing from Badoo.com without paying the stupid money SA requires. I have 8 young Badoo ladies ranging in age from 18 to 29 who are awaiting my visit in January. All are in college and speak good English and don't have delusions of grandeur, unlike those on SA.I feel I must apologize, as you seem to have completely missed my point. Please allow me to clarify using words a 3rd grader should understand.

I not care what you think. My money. My dick.

But thanks for the tip about Badoo. Just downloaded it and signed up. Perhaps I will also rebook my visit to January, so I can take great pleasure in overbidding for every 18-29-year old college student I find.

[Gabacho]

I woke up late again around 14:30 popped a 100 MG Sildenafil and made my way to Classic arriving around 15:30.

I went straight to the back where there were 2 wanita chantiks that caught my attention. They were named Sheryl and Hola (Hola as in Hello, in Spanish). Hola was the prettier of the two and when I asked her berapa usiamu (how old are you) she replied delapan belas tahun (18 years old). We chatted at the table a bit before I decided to take her. Paid my 400 k and the mami brought me back my 35 k change and the room ticket and girl goes for her bag and comes back then off to the room we go.

I the room I negotiate BBFS while she is giving me BBBJ. I show her me whole spiel about how I can't have kids because I had an operation called a vasectomy and how I am clean and taking prep as pep using Google translate. She replies Berapa (I think this is the equivalent of cuanto for those of you who don't know) and k know how to say the numbers now instead of using my calculator so I'm say seratus lima puluh ribu (150 k) and she balks and says lima ratus ribu (500 k) I then counter 200 k and she says 300 k and I'm like no no tidak punya put the condom on me LOL. Then she finally says she will accept 250 k to which I agree.

So the mathematician here whose name I won't mention will have to increase my acceptance rate from 93.33% to 93.55% now LOL.

She was great getting on top and twerking and going balls deep felt really good nice, a real tight snug puter she had. Did missionary, pile driver and finally finished in Bocabajo position.

I let my full load off inside her with no complaints.

As I lay there catching my breath and a song comes on from the ceiling.

"Luka Luka Luka yang ku Rasa Kan ber Tubi Tubi Tubi yang kau Berkan".

And I just lay there catching my breath mesmerized by this amazing girl in the shower and this amazing experience I just had.

Got a back and leg massage for the rest of the time until the phone rang and then got dressed got a selfie with her and tipped her the 250 k rupiah, told her terima kasih, and we exited the room together.

Gabacho.

[Kazeu]

Some people have a hard time accepting the reality of change. Doesn't matter really. Believe what you want to believe. Do what works for you. I imagine the disadvantages of a prophetic leg probably completely eclipse the advantages of being white. But enough about race. White people rule. You win. LOL.


Do you know what being white represents to these people? It means you don't have to work outside, meaning you either have a well paying indoor job or are rich enough to not have to work outside. So it basically translate to the fact that you have money and thus a higher status. Same with being a foreigner, especially an American. They assume we have money. It all boils down to money. Why do you think South Koreans and Japanese guys are getting more attention than white guys in Thailand now? Because they spend more money. But then again maybe it is your super sexy prosthetic leg that's getting the ladies going lmao.

[GreenBud]

most of the girls are sitting on the couches that surround the bar; and that area has good lighting, so you can see their faces. Not their bodies since they wear dresses.My second day here; on Wednesday from 4:15 pm - 9:45 pm.

Actually, some of the girls wear a 2 piece outfit, so you can see their mid-sections. Also, some of the outfits are tight fitting, so you can see their figures. But I'm not sure what percentages are moms. I am assuming way less than Angeles. The 4 I had weren't moms; but then I chose them for their bodies.

Many more girls are available at 6:30 pm than at 4:15 pm. At 6:30 pm today, I saw way more than 200. Wow, that's a lot. Not that many customers at 6:30 pm; but more than at 4:30 pm.

Depending on your point of view, it might be better to come here at 4 pm. Today, as I was going to the room at 4:30 pm, I saw a girl that was almost a stunner. Maybe an 8 in my scale; the best I've seen so far. I thought I would get her later. But later, I couldn't find her. IMO, you need to come early if you want the top 1 or 2 girls in the venue.

At around 9 pm, many more customers were around. Many of them are at the tables with girls drinking and eating. You can eat at this place. Less girls than at 6:30; I am assuming they either left or they are in the rooms with customers.

The 3 girls I had today all allowed FIV. None allowed FIA. All performed BBBJ; that seems part of the menu. The first girl initially said no to rimming. But I offered a higher tip. Then she said yes. I gave her 300 K. She was way too happy; I probably gave her too much. The second girl said yes without an offer of a higher tip. I gave her 200 K; she seem surprised; she was very happy. The third girl said no, even with an offer of a higher tip; she was satisfied with a 100 K tip. All 3 girls initially said no to a 2 girl lesbian show, even with a higher tip. The second girl said yes / maybe, after I took her for a second time.

The overall quality available at 6:30 was better than at 9 pm. I can see why some posters say all they need for their trip is just to come to Classic.

FYI: Classic 2 is on the 3rd floor (American 3rd floor; for you Europeans, it will be the 2nd floor since you guys go from G to 1st to 2nd). There are other venues on the 1st floor and the basement. Might try those later.

[HotDog666]

The first girl initially said no to rimming. But I offered a higher tip. Then she said yes. I gave her 300 K. She was way too happy; I probably gave her too much. The second girl said yes without an offer of a higher tip. .

Good job getting the mandi Kucing. I disappointedly failed in every single attempt at classic on this.

Classic 2 is on the 3rd floor (American 3rd floor; for you Europeans, it will be the 2nd floor since you guys go from G to 1st to 2nd). There are other venues on the 1st floor and the basement. <<.

The 1st floor is a higher scale and higher cost version of the third floor and with much less pushy Mama's- in fact you have to ask them. It's a lot quieter also. It wasn't for me but YMMV.

I was there this time last year and there was not a T5 which I understand there is now- would be interested to hear how that stacks up to the other two locations.


My second day here; on Wednesday from 4:15 pm - 9:45 pm.

Actually, some of the girls wear a 2 piece outfit, so you can see their mid-sections. Also, some of the outfits are tight fitting, so you can see their figures. But I'm not sure what percentages are moms. I am assuming way less than Angeles. The 4 I had weren't moms; but then I chose them for their bodies.

Many more girls are available at 6:30 pm than at 4:15 pm. At 6:30 pm today, I saw way more than 200. Wow, that's a lot. Not that many customers at 6:30 pm; but more than at 4:30 pm.

Depending on your point of view, it might be better to come here at 4 pm. Today, as I was going to the room at 4:30 pm, I saw a girl that was almost a stunner. Maybe an 8 in my scale; the best I've seen so far. I thought I would get her later. But later, I couldn't find her. IMO, you need to come early if you want the top 1 or 2 girls in the venue.

At around 9 pm, many more customers were around. Many of them are at the tables with girls drinking and eating. You can eat at this place. Less girls than at 6:30; I am assuming they either left or they are in the rooms with customers.

[Werqweq]

Depending on your point of view, it might be better to come here at 4 pm. Today, as I was going to the room at 4:30 pm, I saw a girl that was almost a stunner. Maybe an 8 in my scale; the best I've seen so far. I thought I would get her later. But later, I couldn't find her. IMO, you need to come early if you want the top 1 or 2 girls in the venue.

At around 9 pm, many more customers were around. Many of them are at the tables with girls drinking and eating. You can eat at this place. Less girls than at 6:30; I am assuming they either left or they are in the rooms with customers.
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FYI: Classic 2 is on the 3rd floor (American 3rd floor; for you Europeans, it will be the 2nd floor since you guys go from G to 1st to 2nd). There are other venues on the 1st floor and the basement. Might try those later.

One three-some girl told me that she had started work that day at 14:00, and would work till 00:00. Her friend had started at 15:00, and would work til 03:00.
I'm guessing the girl(s) you did not see were busy in the room, rather than had left. If you've got a lot of money to spend, you can also take them out I believe (somebody here said the price he was quoted to do that "officially" was simply the 365,000 price you pay there, multiplied by 10 or something like that, till the next day), though I would not imagine that happens often.

I was in the ground floor once (I included it in one of my reports from last August). As far as I remember, quality of girls was about the same, or possibly very slightly better (the latter maybe wishful thinking on my part). Price was however about double, and entrance fee was 30,000 instead of 5,000.
Bonus was you can get a lineup of all the girls in one place, rather than walking around yourself to each section. That day a particularly obnoxious chinese group had invaded the place, so whatever "higher quality" appearance the place might otherwise have had, was completely drowned by their behaviour. I never bothered going back to that floor and didn't really figure out what extras it offered for double the price of the floors above.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I feel I must apologize, as you seem to have completely missed my point. Please allow me to clarify using words a 3rd grader should understand.

I not care what you think. My money. My dick.

But thanks for the tip about Badoo. Just downloaded it and signed up. Perhaps I will also rebook my visit to January, so I can take great pleasure in overbidding for every 18-29-year old college student I find.And you seem to have missed my point. You can waste however much money you feel like wasting, of course. But I bring up Badoo as a case in point for others here who don't see the need to pay an exorbitant fee and ten times what a piece of ass should cost on top of that. A lot these girls you see on Badoo are the same ones showing up on SA. Do you understand now, third grader?

[GreenBud]

I disappointedly failed in every single attempt at classic on this.Did you offer them extra tip? More money?

Today, I sampled 4 more new girls.

The first girl said no to rimming, even with an offer of an extra tip.

I got a previous girl I took before, who performed rimming, and who promised me a lesbian show with her friend. I took her and her friend. They reneged on the lesbian show, even with me offering a higher tip. The new girl performed a partial / poor rimming effort. They lied; oh well. That is the cost of doing business. In the old days, I would have gotten pissed off. Now, I laugh it off. Mainly because it is so frickin cheap! Almost the same price as a lap dance back home.

I took 2 new girls together. Wow! 500 K plus tip. Prices are amazing. When I asked them about rimming, they said, NO! I offered another 100 K. They said yes. I offered another 100 K tip for a lesbian show; they said no.

It seems Jakarta is a difficult place to get a lesbian show. Oh well. Back to Colombia (very easy). And back to the Philippines and Thailand. Easy, hard? It depends on your point of view.

[JSmithJ88]

Did you offer them extra tip? More money?
They lied; oh well. That is the cost of doing business. In the old days, I would have gotten pissed off. Now, I laugh it off. Mainly because it is so frickin cheap! Almost the same price as a lap dance back home.
Yea, I used to get pissed if girls lied, that's mainly due to the cost and loss of time.
But with prices being so low, and the abundance of chicks.
I just laugh and move on.

[MrHappyKat]

And you seem to have missed my point. You can waste however much money you feel like wasting, of course. But I bring up Badoo as a case in point for others here who don't see the need to pay an exorbitant fee and ten times what a piece of ass should cost on top of that. A lot these girls you see on Badoo are the same ones showing up on SA. Do you understand now, third grader?I accept your apology and confirmation of my point.

You be you, Dawg. And I shall be me.

[MrHappyKat]

Almost the same price as a lap dance back home.
In the post-Covid Strip Club era, most places in the US are charging $40 (roughly 635,000 IDR) or more for a lap dance now. So Classic is now less than a lap dance, even for a threesome.

[Sushruth]

SA is not a country in which brothels, escorts and spas are banned.

It's just an app / website anyone can sign up. So, a girl who works in a brothel can also sign up and there is no subscription charges for girls unlike for men.

So, the girls works in brothel during the day and comes to you as a SA date in the evening or she meeting multiple sugar daddies, one in the morning, one in the after and one in the evening.

So, how do you really know that she does this occasionally? If she is sleeping with you for money what stops her seeing many in a day. She gets old sooner or later, so, she wants make as much as she could while she could.


I am road testing SA for one month and I totally agree. Not to sound like an ad but so far the the woman off of Jakarta seeking have been amazing. Yes, I know there is "the pussy is pussy" school of thought. Yes, I have been to classic a fair number of times. I think the sex is definitey better from seeking girls. I wish in were not the case but a 22 year old who averages 8-12 dudes a day,7 days a week from a dark depressing couch dungeon for their cut of 100 k per dude is not going to be as into it. Plus there is none of this listerine on a kleenex on your dick for 10 minutes type business. But Seeking girls do take a little time and they do ask for real money. For my income level it is not sustainable to these woman more than once a week. 2-3. 5 mil seems to be the range. Long term seeking is probably a nice occasional supplement to going on my regular frequent visits to my favorite cheaper quality spa options.

[Expat American]

SA is not a country in which brothels, escorts and spas are banned.

It's just an app / website anyone can sign up. So, a girl who works in a brothel can also sign up and there is no subscription charges for girls unlike for men.

So, the girls works in brothel during the day and comes to you as a SA date in the evening or she meeting multiple sugar daddies, one in the morning, one in the after and one in the evening.

So, how do you really know that she does this occasionally? If she is sleeping with you for money what stops her seeing many in a day. She gets old sooner or later, so, she wants make as much as she could while she could.You don't know. You guys are right. SA is a ripoff and waste of time. Please don't bother with it at all.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Videos from this month. No idea exactly where this is. Walking around with a flashlight shining it in the girls' faces is a good way to get stabbed though.

https://www.youtube.com/@cryptcat-q7z

[Gaijin Gigolo]

SA is not a country in which brothels, escorts and spas are banned.

It's just an app / website anyone can sign up. So, a girl who works in a brothel can also sign up and there is no subscription charges for girls unlike for men.

So, the girls works in brothel during the day and comes to you as a SA date in the evening or she meeting multiple sugar daddies, one in the morning, one in the after and one in the evening.

So, how do you really know that she does this occasionally? If she is sleeping with you for money what stops her seeing many in a day. She gets old sooner or later, so, she wants make as much as she could while she could.Exactly right. Any of these girls who are selling their bodies are doing it as often and to as many men as they can. Foolish to pretend SA girls are any different.

[BKKguru]

You don't know. You guys are right. SA is a ripoff and waste of time. Please don't bother with it at all.Correct. Per your earlier post, only meet SA girls if its a freebie.

~BKK

[SuperLove]

Can anyone suggest which city (top 2) in Indonesia has the best looking girls and most open minded as well. Which city is more university / student centric.

Thanks.

[Expat American]

Correct. Per your earlier post, only meet SA girls if its a freebie.I'm highly amused at just how many people are triggered by the fact that I managed to get an SA girl for free. LOL.

[Bacchuss]

Videos from this month. No idea exactly where this is. Walking around with a flashlight shining it in the girls' faces is a good way to get stabbed though.

https://www.youtube.com/@cryptcat-q7zNever go here but its seam to be the infamous rail tracks.

I am not sure about the quality a girls, but the old days atmosphere is definitely present.

[LoveItHere69]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhI5noE8FY

This is a bunch of little bars with some girls sitting outside waiting for customers to pass by. I am sure there are some more girls inside. Never been here but know where it is. Far away and not so easy to get to. Being a white guy walking to get there everyone will know why I am there which is super awkward and being alone in such a secluded location where anything can happen is a no-no for me. Also, any money saved will be spent on transportation getting there and back to my hotel. I assume most the girls will not be interested in me like the rail road tracks. I assume foreign Asian guys will have a higher success rate but not sure how much better. Maybe next year I will check it out if I get bored and find a wingman for this location.

[Kazeu]

I'm highly amused at just how many people are triggered by the fact that I managed to get an SA girl for free. LOL.Some people just have a hard time understanding that other people have advantages or disadvantages that they don't have. Basically, the world is exactly how they see it. Nothing else exists. There are no other possibilities. Its sad really, because we're all here to learn from one another.

SA girls are humans. Humans react to different people differently. I've had an SA girl start of charging me but then only ask me for taxi money later on. It happens. not often. but it does happen.