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Indeed, Kazeu, you raise a valid point. I would like to add a few additional observations:
There is also a significant influence from Western culture in this phenomenon. The prevailing mindset is that nothing is truly free, and if an opportunity seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Furthermore, the majority of punters from Southeast Asia are accustomed to the concept of peer-to-peer (P4 P) transactions.
It is highly probable that the success of Jakarta Sexpedition, Tinder, or even the relatively new sensation SB! Can be attributed to the fact that these platforms cater to individuals who also enjoy socializing and connecting with others. The payment aspect is a natural consequence of the nature of these sites and apps, where users like "John" had to pay for their subscriptions. While it is true that a substantial percentage of users prioritize financial considerations, it is not impossible to find individuals who offer their services without any monetary compensation.
Over the years that I have spent on Jakarta Sexpedition and interacting with women from dating sites such as Cupid, Badoo, and Micat, I have never directly paid any money to the individuals I have met. While I have occasionally compensated for their Grab rides and meals, that is the extent of my financial involvement. To this day, whenever I communicate with any of my girl about potential future trips to Jakarta, their initial inquiry is regarding the dates and duration of my stay. I even engaged in a long video call with one of my girl today, following her Instagram stories about enjoying a night out at a bar. These are all ordinary individuals who would not venture to North Jakarta unless it was absolutely necessary. The same applies to my 50/50 MILF, with whom I traveled to Bangkok. She did not request any monetary compensation or expensive gifts during our visit. Instead, we explored various attractions, dined at restaurants, and engaged in shopping activities. Notably, she even gifted me T-shirts from Siam.
Even my Sundanese goddess, whom I spent some memorable time with on September, will be accompanying me until the first week of January in NYC. We didn't met in any dating sites but at Jakarta airport last year. Coincidentally, she was also on the same flight as me. (I can envision a group of our brothers diligently searching the airport for potential matches, but please refrain from engaging in such activities at a vigorous pace!
Therefore, it is essential to distinguish between genuine freebies and instances of luck. Not every Jakarta girl is solely motivated by P4 P transactions, just as not every Thai girl in Thailand is solely driven by financial gain.
I trust that these additional insights will provide further clarity on this freebie topic.
Some people just have a hard time understanding that other people have advantages or disadvantages that they don't have. Basically, the world is exactly how they see it. Nothing else exists. There are no other possibilities. It’s sad really, because we're all here to learn from one another.
SA girls are humans. Humans react to different people differently. I've had an SA girl start of charging me but then only ask me for taxi money later on. It happens. not often. but it does happen.
Videos from this month. No idea exactly where this is. Walking around with a flashlight shining it in the girls' faces is a good way to get stabbed though.
https://www.youtube.com/@cryptcat-q7zExcelent find brother. I wish I had time to go check it out. It looks like its an hour away in Bekasi Jawa Barat which is a suburb satelite City of Jakarta. I fucked a girl who is from Bekasi who was a friend of my new civvy girl I've been seeing (whom I haven't posted about yet, but not sure if I will due to certain members here).
Anyways looks like exactly the kind of place that I was originally looking for. Kind of like a Botero Plaza of Indonesia if you will. I will most likely check it out on my return trip in May 2025 as I simply don't have the time left to do it during this trip.
Maybe you can check it out in January and report on your findings GG?
-Gabacho.
Why don't you find something original, instead of plagiarizing, bro?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhI5noE8FY
This is a bunch of little bars with some girls sitting outside waiting for customers to pass by. I am sure there are some more girls inside. Never been here but know where it is. Far away and not so easy to get to. Being a white guy walking to get there everyone will know why I am there which is super awkward and being alone in such a secluded location where anything can happen is a no-no for me. Also, any money saved will be spent on transportation getting there and back to my hotel. I assume most the girls will not be interested in me like the rail road tracks. I assume foreign Asian guys will have a higher success rate but not sure how much better. Maybe next year I will check it out if I get bored and find a wingman for this location.This was already posted a day earlier by GG:
Videos from this month. No idea exactly where this is. Walking around with a flashlight shining it in the girls' faces is a good way to get stabbed though.
https://www.youtube.com/@cryptcat-q7z
Gaijin Gigolo
12-22-24, 08:28
Never go here but its seam to be the infamous rail tracks.
I am not sure about the quality a girls, but the old days atmosphere is definitely present.Interesting place, but I would certainly not recommend anyone, especially a foreigner, and more especially a WHITE foreigner, ever go to such a place. Why even consider it when you can get whatever kind of girl you want at someplace like Classic for a just a few dollars more.
Wowza. What a videos! Looks very dangerous and interesting at same time.
Must only be for locals.
Thank for sharing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhI5noE8FY
This is a bunch of little bars with some girls sitting outside waiting for customers to pass by. I am sure there are some more girls inside. Never been here but know where it is. Far away and not so easy to get to. Being a white guy walking to get there everyone will know why I am there which is super awkward and being alone in such a secluded location where anything can happen is a no-no for me. Also, any money saved will be spent on transportation getting there and back to my hotel. I assume most the girls will not be interested in me like the rail road tracks. I assume foreign Asian guys will have a higher success rate but not sure how much better. Maybe next year I will check it out if I get bored and find a wingman for this location.
I am hearing that Bandung has all the pretty college kids. And more normal gals vs. Rich kids schools in the Jakarta.
Go there, take fast train. Be nice to girls or try a dating app. Good lucks.
Can anyone suggest which city (top 2) in Indonesia has the best looking girls and most open minded as well. Which city is more university / student centric.
Thanks.
Genuine Question About Immigration.
I've been to Jakarta three times so far. Once as a 2 day stopover on my way to Bali, and twice exclusively for mongering. Each time, when the immigration officer asked if I was there for business or tourism, I said tourism. Their response was always neutral, but it made me feel a bit awkward.
I admit it doesn't seem like the kind of place where most tourists would spend 10 days, let alone visit 2 or 3 times a year. I've thought about saying I'm visiting places like Yogyakarta or Bali after a few nights in Jakarta, but officers always ask for return flight tickets and hotel bookings. I know it's possible to show refundable bookings to back this up, but is that really necessary? Or am I just overthinking this?
What do you usually say during your visits? Would love to hear your experiences and advice!
I am hearing that Bandung has all the pretty college kids. And more normal gals vs. Rich kids schools in the Jakarta.
Go there, take fast train. Be nice to girls or try a dating app. Good lucks.I have Bandung on my itinerary for May / Jun.
My new Javanese girlfriend and I are going up there for a side trip.
Genuine Question About Immigration.
I've been to Jakarta three times so far. Once as a 2 day stopover on my way to Bali, and twice exclusively for mongering. Each time, when the immigration officer asked if I was there for business or tourism, I said tourism. Their response was always neutral, but it made me feel a bit awkward.
I admit it doesn't seem like the kind of place where most tourists would spend 10 days, let alone visit 2 or 3 times a year. I've thought about saying I'm visiting places like Yogyakarta or Bali after a few nights in Jakarta, but officers always ask for return flight tickets and hotel bookings. I know it's possible to show refundable bookings to back this up, but is that really necessary? Or am I just overthinking this?
What do you usually say during your visits? Would love to hear your experiences and advice!You are way over thinking this.
I just said I was here for vacation and that's all the dude cared about. That's all I ever say to any immigration officer anywhere I go. It is technically true anyways, we are all here on vacation we just also fuck and get sucked while on vacation.
Gabacho.
Dude, this literally made me LOL. You feel shy about talking to immigration because you think they're onto your game? Hate to imagine what you must be like with the hookers, LOL.
Why do you even imagine the immigration officer cares so much about the 200th person of the day's reason for touring the country?
Genuine Question About Immigration.
I've been to Jakarta three times so far. Once as a 2 day stopover on my way to Bali, and twice exclusively for mongering. Each time, when the immigration officer asked if I was there for business or tourism, I said tourism. Their response was always neutral, but it made me feel a bit awkward.
I admit it doesn't seem like the kind of place where most tourists would spend 10 days, let alone visit 2 or 3 times a year. I've thought about saying I'm visiting places like Yogyakarta or Bali after a few nights in Jakarta, but officers always ask for return flight tickets and hotel bookings. I know it's possible to show refundable bookings to back this up, but is that really necessary? Or am I just overthinking this?
What do you usually say during your visits? Would love to hear your experiences and advice!
Expat American
12-22-24, 17:28
Genuine Question About Immigration.
I've been to Jakarta three times so far. Once as a 2 day stopover on my way to Bali, and twice exclusively for mongering. Each time, when the immigration officer asked if I was there for business or tourism, I said tourism. Their response was always neutral, but it made me feel a bit awkward.
I admit it doesn't seem like the kind of place where most tourists would spend 10 days, let alone visit 2 or 3 times a year. I've thought about saying I'm visiting places like Yogyakarta or Bali after a few nights in Jakarta, but officers always ask for return flight tickets and hotel bookings. I know it's possible to show refundable bookings to back this up, but is that really necessary? Or am I just overthinking this?
What do you usually say during your visits? Would love to hear your experiences and advice!I just go through the automated lanes. Machine doesn't ask me anything at all.
Interesting place, but I would certainly not recommend anyone, especially a foreigner, and more especially a WHITE foreigner, ever go to such a place. Why even consider it when you can get whatever kind of girl you want at someplace like Classic for a just a few dollars more.I will go there. The thrill is just as fun as the sex.
SA is not a country in which brothels, escorts and spas are banned.
It's just an app / website anyone can sign up. So, a girl who works in a brothel can also sign up and there is no subscription charges for girls unlike for men.
So, the girls works in brothel during the day and comes to you as a SA date in the evening or she meeting multiple sugar daddies, one in the morning, one in the after and one in the evening.
So, how do you really know that she does this occasionally? If she is sleeping with you for money what stops her seeing many in a day. She gets old sooner or later, so, she wants make as much as she could while she could.Its possible but in my experience that is not the case. I spent last night with a middle manager from the Jakarta branch of an international company who is a graduate of a university in America. I am an American college graduate and it would be impossible for her to bluff me on that. Early in the week I went to classic where the girl I went to the room with told me she was working there because she got screwed out 14 mil and had to pay off her debt. She says her cut from each session is 100,000 rupiah and that she was recruited to Classic from some kampung in Sumatra by a tik-tok ad. I figured something was up because she gave a blow job like she had only just learned what a blow job is from a tik-tok video day before which is almost the actual case. Between the SA woman and the girl from Classic getting 100.000 a session guess which one do you think fucked the shit out of me off and on for 14 hours straight. Well, OK, I will spill the beans. It wasn't the sad case from Classic. Another SA paramour is a middle manager from a Indonesian company that I met for the first time in person at her lunch hour. I dropped her off at her office building after our first getting to know you lunch meeting. She dresses and acts like a sexy librarian with the body of Jessica Rabbit. This one requested I get an STD test after showing me hers "so we won't have to worry about anything when we have bareback anal sex". During the month of road testing SA I have met enough women from there to get a sense of the range. Some have been better than others. But all of them have consistently been much much hotter than any of the woman I have been with at classic and its variants. There are a lot of reasons for why this might be which I will save for the inevitable rebuttal. So far the mix of SA girls I have encountered have mostly been professional woman in their mid to late 20's and a few early 20's University students. From this group the worst SA sex I have encountered is better than best sex I have had at classic, emporium, etc.
For my budget SA is not something I can afford to do as frequently as classic or whatever. But so far the quality from SA is high enough where I will probably partake a least a few times a month. The way I look at it is yes SA ladies are more expensive. But they quality is much much better. There is absolutely no way I could get women this hot or this enthusiastic for the same price back home.
I think your speculation about undercover brothel workers is more likely to be true on tinder, which I also road tested over the summer. Without getting into the "does tinder privilege white dudes" argument I would say at least 2/3 of the woman I met through Tinder at some point asked for money. Some were up front some waited. A number of them were also upfront that their "day jobs" were as "therapists". Most of them were generally less attractive than the ladys from classic.
I just go through the automated lanes. Machine doesn't ask me anything at all.I have an Indian passport. The guards usually guide me through the manned lanes, saying that the automated lanes don't work for my passport. I'm not sure if this is accurate.
Dude, this literally made me LOL. You feel shy about talking to immigration because you think they're onto your game? Hate to imagine what you must be like with the hookers, LOL.
Why do you even imagine the immigration officer cares so much about the 200th person of the day's reason for touring the country?I've traveled to many places and have never faced any visa rejections so far in my case.
There is a reason for my concern, though which the western folks won't understand. Immigration officers tend to scrutinize certain Asian passport holders traveling solo because some try to migrate illegally for work. I travel there from the UK so it doesn't really matter for me but it makes me a bit nervous and wanted to know how others handle the tourism part in a city with no tourism. I don't want to get delayed at immigration in a country where language is a huge barrier and they dig all the details about my current and previous visits. Maybe I should say it commonly as Vacation instead of tourism like Gabacho suggested.
Thanks anyways for the funny comment about the hookers!
Banana Boi
12-22-24, 19:16
Each time, when the immigration officer asked if I was there for business or tourism, I said tourism. Their response was always neutral, but it made me feel a bit awkward.From the sounds of it this is all in your head. You mentioned the IO was neutral. Neutral means he / she doesn't give a crap why you're entering Indonesia. Vacation is the simplest answer. If and only if he asks what you plan on doing make something up like you're a food vlogger and you like Indonesian cuisine (maybe learn the names of the most popular dishes if you're paranoid). Tons of BS answers you can make up on the spot only if needed.
You mentioned no tourism in Indonesia? Bali is one of the most popular beach cities in the world. The IO doesn't know if you're only in Jakarta for 1 night then leaving for Bali the next morning.
I've never heard of a single person having issues entering Indonesia. It's not Thailand.
StinkyFeet
12-22-24, 22:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhI5noE8FY
This is a bunch of little bars with some girls sitting outside waiting for customers to pass by. I am sure there are some more girls inside. Never been here but know where it is. Far away and not so easy to get to. Being a white guy walking to get there everyone will know why I am there which is super awkward and being alone in such a secluded location where anything can happen is a no-no for me. Also, any money saved will be spent on transportation getting there and back to my hotel. I assume most the girls will not be interested in me like the rail road tracks. I assume foreign Asian guys will have a higher success rate but not sure how much better. Maybe next year I will check it out if I get bored and find a wingman for this location.A man needs to know a price.
Gaijin Gigolo
12-23-24, 02:43
I will go there. The thrill is just as fun as the sex.Be safe, brother!
Gaijin Gigolo
12-23-24, 02:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhI5noE8FY
This is a bunch of little bars with some girls sitting outside waiting for customers to pass by. I am sure there are some more girls inside. Never been here but know where it is. Far away and not so easy to get to. Being a white guy walking to get there everyone will know why I am there which is super awkward and being alone in such a secluded location where anything can happen is a no-no for me. Also, any money saved will be spent on transportation getting there and back to my hotel. I assume most the girls will not be interested in me like the rail road tracks. I assume foreign Asian guys will have a higher success rate but not sure how much better. Maybe next year I will check it out if I get bored and find a wingman for this location.I will go with you I'm in jaiarta and safer as a pair. Be nice smile say Hello, see what happens.
Gaijin Gigolo
12-23-24, 02:56
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Gaijin Gigolo
12-23-24, 02:58
Excelent find brother. I wish I had time to go check it out. It looks like its an hour away in Bekasi Jawa Barat which is a suburb satelite City of Jakarta. I fucked a girl who is from Bekasi who was a friend of my new civvy girl I've been seeing (whom I haven't posted about yet, but not sure if I will due to certain members here).
Anyways looks like exactly the kind of place that I was originally looking for. Kind of like a Botero Plaza of Indonesia if you will. I will most likely check it out on my return trip in May 2025 as I simply don't have the time left to do it during this trip.
Maybe you can check it out in January and report on your findings GG?
-Gabacho.I might have been game when I was young but I'm not much of a distance walker nowadays. I'm soon to be 64 with a prosthetic leg, haha.
Plan to focus on the regular non-pro and part-time online girls with occasional trips to Classic and Starmoon.
I may actually be in Jakarta in May / June. We'll see.
Captain Solo
12-23-24, 03:02
I came across this report in Feb, 2024 with details about the Kota Indah community brothel near Chinatown.
https://www.ufostravel.com/thread-71-1-1.html
It's about 3 miles North West of Classic hotel, only 8 minutes rail ride and 11 min car ride:
From Classic, walk North West to the Sawah Besar station and get off at Jayakarta station. Walk 5 minutes North West to the Kota Indah area.
He said 6 houses, 30 girls each after 6 PM, 150 K IDR or $10 a session. All night date is likely $20-30 range.
I just go through the automated lanes. Machine doesn't ask me anything at all.Airport updates:
There is construction / renovation work in progress in Terminal 2 (Air Asia, Scoot etc).
The automated lanes have been partitioned by a construction barrier in Terminal 2.
A "Service Fee" is now added on top of the Visa-on-Arrival charge.
Based on my Passport, the total price is IDR 500,000 + 13,000 = ~513,000.
~BKK
LoveItHere69
12-23-24, 06:59
Why don't you find something original, instead of plagiarizing, bro?
This was already posted a day earlier by GG:I never said I found it and have never been there. GG found that off of another website and posted it here but no additional info. I just added a very helpful map because neither your boyfriend nor the video supplied it. Both only showed the place existed which there are many such places all over Jakarta. But even knowing that is useless without knowing where exactly it is.
So in reality GG plagiarized from the guy on the other website. My directional map was unique. Without it nobody would be able to find it.
Expat American
12-23-24, 07:39
Airport updates:
There is construction / renovation work in progress in Terminal 2 (Air Asia, Scoot etc).
The automated lanes have been partitioned by a construction barrier in Terminal 2.
A "Service Fee" is now added on top of the Visa-on-Arrival charge.
Based on my Passport, the total price is IDR 500,000 + 13,000 = ~513,000.
~BKKGood to know for my Jan trip. Thanks for the update. So does that mean no more automated entry at all? Or is it just relocated?
https://worldofbuzz.com/they-took-our-passports-over-400-msians-allegedly-extorted-of-rm9-mil-by-police-at-music-festival-in-indonesia/
In the past, they did not extort foreigners in this way, especially not to Malaysians who know Indonesian language.
Good to know for my Jan trip. Thanks for the update. So does that mean no more automated entry at all? Or is it just relocated?Correct. No more automated entry until the renovation is completed.
I had to do it the old fashioned way. Stand in line and make eye contact with the Immigration officer.
In my opinion the whole Terminal 2 needs a face lift. But they don't have the funding.
The Government of Indonesia is running a deficit.
The new Socialist policy announced last month (free lunch) will add to the fiscal woes.
~BKK
Not houses. They are bars.
Not 6 but 10.
It is not 150,000. It is 400,000. The posts states "The price has increased by about 150,000 Indonesian rupiah compared with before the epidemic". That means it was 250,000 before covid.
I thought everyone knew this?*Starmoon is 350 k.
Expat American
12-24-24, 08:21
Not houses. They are bars.
Not 6 but 10.
It is not 150,000. It is 400,000. The posts states "The price has increased by about 150,000 Indonesian rupiah compared with before the epidemic". That means it was 250,000 before covid.
I thought everyone knew this?Coming up next, a breathless post informing of us of this amazing brothel with hundreds of girls for 375 K or 500 K doubles. Who knew such places existed in Jakarta? If only there was a place on the internet where such information was easily available. One can dream.
LoveItHere69
12-24-24, 09:12
*Starmoon is 350 k.If you want to be that specific than it is 350,000 until 8:00 pm and then it is 400,000.
Not sure but.
Royal VIP across from MEGA I believe is 450,000.
Before Mega are 2 small bars across from each other that are 350,000 or 400,000 depending on your negotiation skills or if they need business. I went to one and got the 350,000 price around 5:00 pm but it could be an early price, a slow day price, or when they asked 400 I said 350. But can not remember. I do remember though that bar had the worst rooms in the Kota Indah complex. That was months ago.
LoveItHere69
12-24-24, 16:40
Still not here in Jakarta but:
Classic. I asked about paying for the deed after when paying the exit fee. No problem. Just sign the paperwork.
Every place seems to be open Christmas Day.
Chacha said new girl. Ci-Ci looked familiar but of course was told she started 3 days ago. Huge boobs to which I should have remembered but did not. Huge firm boobs. Down stairs super soaker. No lube required. Problems though. This is when I remembered we had met months ago. She says "baby" constantly which is constantly annoying. Also, the dreaded "Are you done yet?" When we finished I told her I remembered her and she and Chacha lied to me. Informed her to stop asking if done yet because guys hate that because it means you want to leave and do not like them.
Talked to Chacha about it and she informaed me she was a new girl from the 5th floor. I had her months ago from the 5th floor and is not new just because she changed floors. Pissed me off. Same reason I stopped going there last month. Took 5 girls I was pretty sure the last two I had been with before.
Sorry but Classic is not as magical as someone makes it out to be. Notice I tell both sides of the coin. The good and the bad. Always worry when the story teller never has a bad story to tell.
LoveItHere69
12-24-24, 16:59
This for all twat lovers.
Squid in spicy sauce or sweet and sour sauce (good but does not taste much at all like sweet and sour). Fried squid rings. Fruit juice. All for 60,00 / 15,000 = $4.00. Battered and fried squid rings or 8 piece fried shrimp are not dripping in oil and very crunchy restaurant quality.
Each is 25,000 ($1.67) : Squid in sauce. Fried squid. Fried shrimp 8 pieces. Jackfruit Sundae (crushed ice, avocado pieces, dairy cream, jackfruit). Small problem was the crushed ice had been placed back into freezer making the ice all freeze together. Fruit juice is 10,000.
You can order online but like french fries the calamari is not good cold. Eat ASAP.
Directly across they have sugar cane juice for 10,000 ($0. 67) and I have a feeling they may possibly sell chicken.
Location:
Metro Atom Plaza is a small local mall which is not very clean. For example, the guy that was picking up the dishes off the tables was surprise surprise smoking and leaving ashes on the ground. You will see a cockroaches. Near Classic Hotel. Go to the two overpass walk ways that connect the malls. At Metro Pasar Baru Mall (Classic side of the street) take the escalator to the 4th floor. Only one store there. Open the glass door to get in. Walk straight across but slightly to your left there are hanging plastic strips like you see in a cooler or freezer. Walk through. Cross using the over the street walkway. Left side. 3rd eatery.
OR.
Cross the street (like Frogger). Go to the left mall (not the KFC mall). Take elevator on your right to 4th floor. Left side. 4th booth.
FYI Lots of very cheap clothes 20,000 on up. I think the average is 40,000.
LoveItHere69
12-24-24, 19:52
Coming up next, a breathless post informing of us of this amazing brothel with hundreds of girls for 375 K or 500 K doubles. Who knew such places existed in Jakarta? If only there was a place on the internet where such information was easily available. One can dream.That sure would be a big white Moby Dick CLASSIC story wouldn't it?
LoveItHere69
12-24-24, 21:20
Two Travel mamis did not ask for money. Paid everything when leaving. Third Travel mami asked for money and I asked if I can pay after and she said ok. Nothing signed.
So I thought let's see what happens at Classic. Mami wanted paid right away. I asked if I can pay after like Travel was doing and she said ok but I have to sign the receipt.
Something new. I think it is a little faster and easier paying all at once at the end. No staple to remove. No mami asking for the change.
Sorry but Classic is not as magical as someone makes it out to be.Classic Terminal 2 (on the 3rd floor) is amazing (from my limited ignorance; I haven't been to many other places).
Prices are fantastic; 365 K (plus 100 K tip) for an hour. BTW, I just found out that threesomes (for 500 K plus tip) is for 1.5 hours. Doesn't make sense. You pay a good deal less, and I was told girls get less (95 K) compared to 100 K, and they have to spend more time in the room. It seems you get the phone ring (indicating your time is up and hurry up and finish) at the 45-50 minute mark for the hour, and about an hour and 15 minutes for the threesome.
200+ girls available!
There doesn't seem to be any rip-offs there. Only cost here is the 5 K entry fee; that is way less than a dollar!
There is no incessant request for ladydrinks (like most countries in SE Asia). I see customers asking the girls if they want to drink; I am assuming it is just normal customer prices.
You don't even have to buy a drink for yourself. Unlike Tijuana where the waiter will kick you out if you don't have a drink in your hand (after you've already drank several beers; fuck TJ!)
There is no demand for tips from the mommies, bathroom attendants, or room cleaners (unlike other countries).
All the workers (staff) seem to be polite and courteous. Not talking about the mommies, but they aren't that bad.
BBBJ is standard, on the menu! Although rimming and CIM is not standard, but some will do it for an extra 100 K tip.
Smaller percentages of moms than other places.
Higher percentages of 18-20 year olds than other places.
Many girls seem to be on the sweet side (not all, of course).
Talked to Chacha about it and she informaed me she was a new girl from the 5th floor.Anything on the 5th floor? For the past week, it was dark; never went up there; there doesn't seem anything is open up there.
Still not here in Jakarta but:
Classic. I asked about paying for the deed after when paying the exit fee. No problem. Just sign the paperwork.
Every place seems to be open Christmas Day.
Chacha said new girl. Ci-Ci looked familiar but of course was told she started 3 days ago. Huge boobs to which I should have remembered but did not. Huge firm boobs. Down stairs super soaker. No lube required. Problems though. This is when I remembered we had met months ago. She says "baby" constantly which is constantly annoying. Also, the dreaded "Are you done yet?" When we finished I told her I remembered her and she and Chacha lied to me. Informed her to stop asking if done yet because guys hate that because it means you want to leave and do not like them.
Talked to Chacha about it and she informaed me she was a new girl from the 5th floor. I had her months ago from the 5th floor and is not new just because she changed floors. Pissed me off. Same reason I stopped going there last month. Took 5 girls I was pretty sure the last two I had been with before.
Sorry but Classic is not as magical as someone makes it out to be. Notice I tell both sides of the coin. The good and the bad. Always worry when the story teller never has a bad story to tell.Yes. I have to agree. The girls are generally young but only about average looking. Generally quality of bed service is not going to be great and there is a decent chance you will get someone who is just shitty. Once you get over the novelty of the rock bottom low price and the youth there are much better options out there for only twice the rate 365 ($22) vs 720 ($40) at my favorite spa. But compared to other brothels at this price point in Jakarta it is clean, organized and centrally located.
Still not here in Jakarta but:
Classic. I asked about paying for the deed after when paying the exit fee. No problem. Just sign the paperwork.
Every place seems to be open Christmas Day.
Chacha said new girl. Ci-Ci looked familiar but of course was told she started 3 days ago. Huge boobs to which I should have remembered but did not. Huge firm boobs. Down stairs super soaker. No lube required. Problems though. This is when I remembered we had met months ago. She says "baby" constantly which is constantly annoying. Also, the dreaded "Are you done yet?" When we finished I told her I remembered her and she and Chacha lied to me. Informed her to stop asking if done yet because guys hate that because it means you want to leave and do not like them.
Talked to Chacha about it and she informaed me she was a new girl from the 5th floor. I had her months ago from the 5th floor and is not new just because she changed floors. Pissed me off. Same reason I stopped going there last month. Took 5 girls I was pretty sure the last two I had been with before.
Sorry but Classic is not as magical as someone makes it out to be. Notice I tell both sides of the coin. The good and the bad. Always worry when the story teller never has a bad story to tell.Dude, that's indeed the terrible other side of the coin, but did anyone else have to chuckle when the worst thing our brother here can say about Classic is that he accidently fucked some girls he fucked before, but could no longer remember that he fucked before? I'm with GreenBud here.
When girls ask me that annoying question, I just ask them the same question back. Then I tell them I'm waiting for them to finish first.
Guess Ci-Ci will become new again soon enough when she rotates back to fifth, and then back to third again? Is that how it works?
Two Travel mamis did not ask for money. Paid everything when leaving. Third Travel mami asked for money and I asked if I can pay after and she said ok. Nothing signed.
So I thought let's see what happens at Classic. Mami wanted paid right away. I asked if I can pay after like Travel was doing and she said ok but I have to sign the receipt.
Something new. I think it is a little faster and easier paying all at once at the end. No staple to remove. No mami asking for the change.Good tip for next time, did not know that was possible. Perhaps only if they remember you?
Genuine Question About Immigration.
I've been to Jakarta three times so far. Once as a 2 day stopover on my way to Bali, and twice exclusively for mongering. Each time, when the immigration officer asked if I was there for business or tourism, I said tourism. Their response was always neutral, but it made me feel a bit awkward.
I admit it doesn't seem like the kind of place where most tourists would spend 10 days, let alone visit 2 or 3 times a year. I've thought about saying I'm visiting places like Yogyakarta or Bali after a few nights in Jakarta, but officers always ask for return flight tickets and hotel bookings. I know it's possible to show refundable bookings to back this up, but is that really necessary? Or am I just overthinking this?
What do you usually say during your visits? Would love to hear your experiences and advice!I say tourism, even though I'm always there on business. They've never asked me for details like where I'm going. I believe in one instance an immigration officer tried to trip me up by saying something like, "You're here on business, right?" I answered "no" and he waived me onward. It's supposedly fine to enter the country with a tourist visa if you're on a business trip as long as you're not employed in Indonesia. Still I figure you might be opening a can of worms.
Classic Terminal 2 has their resident DJ performing toples (most probably wearing fishnet). If anyone interested to go explore. Most definitely there will be an entrance fees.
Enjoy.
Anything on the 5th floor? For the past week, it was dark; never went up there; there doesn't seem anything is open up there.Someone said it only opens up later, at 6 pm I think. Since almost all my trips to Classic was earlier in the day I only went once.
I also missed the fact that the "theater scene" on the fifth floor is divided into two halfs, and only saw the other half when walking down with a girl I finally ended up choosing (after almost giving up and going down to third floor). Not sure what the difference between the girls on these two floors are, and prices are the same. Since there are only two locations for girls on the fifth, and all mamasans seem to handle all girls, it takes less time to see and pick a girl I guess, though the evening I went I remember thinking third floor had more and better choice.
Still not here in Jakarta but:
Classic. I asked about paying for the deed after when paying the exit fee. No problem. Just sign the paperwork.
Every place seems to be open Christmas Day.
Chacha said new girl. Ci-Ci looked familiar but of course was told she started 3 days ago. Huge boobs to which I should have remembered but did not. Huge firm boobs. Down stairs super soaker. No lube required. Problems though. This is when I remembered we had met months ago. She says "baby" constantly which is constantly annoying. Also, the dreaded "Are you done yet?" When we finished I told her I remembered her and she and Chacha lied to me. Informed her to stop asking if done yet because guys hate that because it means you want to leave and do not like them.
Talked to Chacha about it and she informaed me she was a new girl from the 5th floor. I had her months ago from the 5th floor and is not new just because she changed floors. Pissed me off. Same reason I stopped going there last month. Took 5 girls I was pretty sure the last two I had been with before.
Sorry but Classic is not as magical as someone makes it out to be. Notice I tell both sides of the coin. The good and the bad. Always worry when the story teller never has a bad story to tell.I agree there are people on here who write amazing experiences you can only dream of.
I too have made the mistake of picking the same girl 2 days in a row I didn't realise until we got to the room. The 2nd day her hair was completely different all dolled up. I just put it down to experience.
LoveItHere69
12-25-24, 08:58
Many girls seem to be on the sweet side (not all, of course).
Anything on the 5th floor? For the past week, it was dark; never went up there; there doesn't seem anything is open up there.Indo girls can be dangerous per GG (and only him). Thinks they may have a knife so be careful. Hehe.
5th floor opens 5 or 6 and best to not go until 6 or 7. You are stupid if you do not go up and check out that floor since it is soooo close and will cost you a whopping 33 cents to do so. There are more girls on the other side of the stage. SO girls, stage, girls. SO many guys I know never figure that out. Read my old posts earlier this year. Maybe Ci-Ci was on floor 3 because floor 5 has closed.
FYI Ci-Ci is a good F for me. I only have one shot a day and I like to be sure I share amongst all the girls I can. ChaCha has lied several times about the "new" girl thing and it pisses me off and twice I have informed her of this.
Good tip for next time, did not know that was possible. Perhaps only if they remember you?I do not think it is because they remember me. I have been there several times but only here and there and they never did that before. All happened in my 3 visits I took within the same 9 days. They always put their hand out for the money but the 2 mami only handed the room number and condom and walked off. That is why I asked the third one one when asked for the money and she said either before or after. So I wanted to know how Classic was and she asked for the money but said I could pay after. One of you newbies go find out if YOU can pay after so we know.
LoveItHere69
12-25-24, 10:43
Do not take my posts too seriously. I make stuff up as I go and I am not here. But:
Starmoon December 27 Christmas Party with DJ meaning entrance fee but door prizes.
1st Gold Champion LM 2 GR (jewerly?
2nd Folding bike (we could all use one of those).
3rd Free voucher 2 hours FL (girl?
Not my cup of tea. That is all I know.
I too have made the mistake of picking the same girl 2 days in a row I didn't realise until we got to the room. The 2nd day her hair was completely different all dolled up. I just put it down to experience.Sadly, I have way too much experience in taking a girl a second time because I did not remember her. But thanks for making me feel better because you have been here 2 days and took the same girl twice. Haha. Not good. They will keep bringing you the same girl until you say no because they know we do not like to say no to the girl when she is right there in front of us because it is mean and not easy to do.
Day 1 picked a SA girl she wanted 3 mil I negotiated 2 mil which is still expensive. I had her soaking wet and a few squirts and stayed overnight. Had her breakfast at holiday inn gave her money and she seemed distant at point of handing over money didn't hug goodbye oh well at least the sex was good before the monetary transaction.
Day 2 1st day at classic many customers and it was Christmas day the girls I've had before I did not see them anymore. I saw a couple of white guys who could be on here. Picked a girl with big breasts. 2nd worst service I've had out of there off to a bad start. Adamant about using condom and laid on back lazy girl. Kept asking for a tip wrote a translation saying worst service I e had in classic and showed her she spoke and said fine keep your money.
2nd girl of the night Picked another big titted one got a decent service so tipped her to suit service.
She told me she lives with a customer currently in Novotel I was surprised at that.
Saw a group of Chinese enter they looked like strong men most of the girls left their couches and circled around them because of their mamasans so that they could pick it was like a mass exodus hahaha never seen that before in there.
Also approached 2 girls at table I saw walk past me that looked good. I walked over to their table over where pool tables were When one saw me she turned her head 180 away in disgust. No idea why. The mamasan walked past and shrugged shoulders.
Asked for cha cha as I couldn't see her she wasn't there.
A mamasan brought girls from back sofa to the right of the entrance downstairs I knew it was a waste of time she wanted to do it those girls walked as slow as possible compared to what I see them do if it's Chinese. I didn't like any of them they looked unhappy. Which is usually an indication that I will receive bad service.
Entry fee was 5,000 exit bill was 100,000 for 1 bintang can of beer and 1 coke and 5,000 entry.
As you can see from my report there is good and bad but no memorable experiences from classic fro this trip so far didn't think the girls were that great will try floor 5 as I've never been. I’ve had memorable experiences before from classic.
Just to add I got the usual bullshit from a mamasan that looked good shes 41 was talking to her she said I have a new girl wait il get her when I saw her I recognised her from last year. I said no. So I wrote translation you always say its a new girl its not she laughed in agreement.
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Just to add I got the usual bullshit from a mamasan that looked good shes 41 was talking to her she said I have a new girl wait il get her when I saw her I recognised her from last year. I said no. So I wrote translation you always say its a new girl its not she laughed in agreement...In the old days mamasans often introduced us to "new girls". What they said was "anak baru" which should be translated by "new girl" though a literal translation yields "new kid". "Anak" means kid but is the way Indonesians refer to young people. "Baru" means new. It turned out that every single girl pointed out to us as "anak baru" accepted bareback without any fuss. We concluded "anak baru" (= "new girl") was a code word for "no condom ok" as far as we were concerned.
LoveItHere69
12-25-24, 18:14
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LoveItHere69
12-25-24, 18:21
It finally happened. I met a girl at the 11th bar I visited this week. I am an Alpha++ Big Dog (WOOF! I approached her and told her she was so damn sexy that I wanted to get between her legs and rub my face all over her pussy until my face looked like a glazed donut. Then let it dry, peel it off my face, and then eat it like a Fruit Roll-Up. Surprisingly that did not work. Next, I went to my signature move. I dropped to my knees, put my hands together, and prayed. At the same time I bit my tongue so my eyes watered to show her how serious I was. I looked into her eyes with my big watery puppy dog eyes and begged her to go with me. Still not convinced. Now I had to go to my truth move. I was honest with her and it hurt to do so. I said, "I have a 2.5 (6.3 cm) dick and can not hurt you. Hell, you might not even feel me at all. For 3. 5 minutes I will give you the cheapest most meaningless terrible sex you have ever had in your entire life. After me you will never have to worry about horrible sex again because I have already given it to you. Everyone after me will be a super stud. So in reality, I will be doing you a favor and you should pay me". She knew a good deal when she hears it and off to the races we went.
Got to the room. Did my magic routine and my dick disappeared inside her for 3.5 minutes. When finished I rolled over onto my back like a dead cockroach. Ring! Ring! Oh crap! I fell asleep after all my hard work. Jumped up and she was already showered and gone so then I showered and dressed. Nearly out the door when I saw it. My tip. She knew I did her right. She will have super star sex for the rest of her life thanks to me and she appreciated it.
On the walk back to my hotel I passed by a dollar store and guess who I saw? Santa Claus and I was pissed. You see back in the day I was bad, like forever bad. So bad in fact that I did not get just any coal. I had worked my way up the list to earn the good stuff. He was giving me the Maple Wood, Mesquite, and Hickory flavored coal. The tiny red bow was like a cherry on top which was a very fine touch of class from the jolly fat man. I saved them up and every 10 years I had a great BBQ. But sadly my grill wore out during the years so I decided that year I would try the nice route and see what would happen.
But the last 3 years I was so very good. 2 years and I received nothing, coal or otherwise. Just nothing and this was going to be my third year coming up in a few days. I walked in. Grabbed Santa by the neck and said, "WTF fat man! This is my 3rd good year so I better get something special this year and what happened the past 2 years? He told me that his gift to me comes as a 3 piece set that can not be broken so I will receive it this year. I believed him and told him how sorry I was and that being good for me is very hard to do and left.
Fast forward 5 days and I wake up feeling so many lumps in my bed and immediately groan. Open my eyes and nearly died because I found a HO-HO-HO in my bed. There was a white one, a black one, and a brown one. Hours later I finally left my bed all sticky and worn out to get something to eat and take a shower. Next to my Christmas tree was a bright shiny red grill but now no charcoal. That sick sadistic SOB!
The moral of the story: Please be wary of jolly old fat guys bringing you presents!
Traveling John #2
12-25-24, 21:03
I agree there are people on here who write amazing experiences you can only dream of.
I too have made the mistake of picking the same girl 2 days in a row I didn't realise until we got to the room. The 2nd day her hair was completely different all dolled up. I just put it down to experience.One manager almost got me. I really wanted a 3 some with a new girl and a girl I had tried the a few days before. I knew the girls name and asked for her. They said they would call her and bring her to room. I waited and the girl and manager came. I had one manager with the new girl and two managers with the past girl. I thought it was her but not 100% so I asked a few questions. Started walking to the room and something was off so I asked another question and the 2 x managers were not synced and then it hit me, this was the girl I had a horrible experience with a few days ago. I kicked all three of them out. The other girl I wanted ended up making it and it all worked out but man, sometimes it can get hard to remember who is who and the managers will tell you anything.
Also approached 2 girls at table I saw walk past me that looked good. I walked over to their table over where pool tables were When one saw me she turned her head 180 away in disgust. No idea why.Be honest, are you old, dress poorly, out of shape, and of average looks?
Hey all, I'm from the states, planning to be in Jakarta for a bit and looking for leads. I regularly enjoy giving golden shower and having my fluids swallowed, overall just taking control in bed. If anyone has had these experiences in Jakarta and can share links to mr girls or otherwise that'd be great. Cheers!
Be honest, are you old, dress poorly, out of shape, and of average looks?Actually the exact opposite of what you described look young 32. White slim average build.
One girl I had before kept calling me captain America as she says I look like the actor Chris Evans who plays him in the marvel movies so I can't be that bad.
I do think there are girls in there who foreigners are a no go for them for whatever reason maybe they don't like uncircumcised men. It's the same as when I went to.
Emporium before when they called the girls toward me a couple chose to remained seated. I asked him about that he said whether true or not they are expecting their customer to arrive.
I actually saw a girl screw up her face when an Indonesian guy selected her she resisted to go to him and stood her ground. He was ugly though in classic.
So yea maybe there are girls that think they are too good to go with white men.
Actually the exact opposite of what you described look young 32. White slim average build.
One girl I had before kept calling me captain America as she says I look like the actor Chris Evans who plays him in the marvel movies so I can't be that bad.
I do think there are girls in there who foreigners are a no go for them for whatever reason maybe they don't like uncircumcised men. It's the same as when I went to.
Emporium before when they called the girls toward me a couple chose to remained seated. I asked him about that he said whether true or not they are expecting their customer to arrive.
I actually saw a girl screw up her face when an Indonesian guy selected her she resisted to go to him and stood her ground. He was ugly though in classic.
So yea maybe there are girls that think they are too good to go with white men.I only had one girl reject me, and that was at the ground floor in Classic, where they are twice as expensive. The one and only time I went there, just to try. Mamasan said it was due to the girl being scared of big dick, and there can not be any doubt that even though otherwise I'm not that big in stature, there must be several other telltale signs indicating John Holmes himself would be embarrassed standing next to me in a dick lineup.
If that was the true reason I do not know of course.
I only had one girl reject me, and that was at the ground floor in Classic, where they are twice as expensive. The one and only time I went there, just to try. Mamasan said it was due to the girl being scared of big dick, and there can not be any doubt that even though otherwise I'm not that big in stature, there must be several other telltale signs indicating John Holmes himself would be embarrassed standing next to me in a dick lineup.
If that was the true reason I do not know of course.If you think about it there will be a hierarchy in there who.
Are selective about who they will go with. But in our eyes they are all hookers but in their eyes they might think I'm.
Not desperate to go with a bule.
In the old days mamasans often introduced us to "new girls". What they said was "anak baru" which should be translated by "new girl" though a literal translation yields "new kid". "Anak" means kid but is the way Indonesians refer to young people. "Baru" means new. It turned out that every single girl pointed out to us as "anak baru" accepted bareback without any fuss. We concluded "anak baru" (= "new girl") was a code word for "no condom ok" as far as we were concerned.I've been hearing "gadis baru" or "cewak baru" I agree that all the ones that are supposedly. "baru" are easier to get BBFS from even now.
-Gabacho.
Indo girls can be dangerous per GG (and only him). Thinks they may have a knife so be careful. Hehe.
5th floor opens 5 or 6 and best to not go until 6 or 7. You are stupid if you do not go up and check out that floor since it is soooo close and will cost you a whopping 33 cents to do so. There are more girls on the other side of the stage. SO girls, stage, girls. SO many guys I know never figure that out. Read my old posts earlier this year. Maybe Ci-Ci was on floor 3 because floor 5 has closed.
FYI Ci-Ci is a good F for me. I only have one shot a day and I like to be sure I share amongst all the girls I can. ChaCha has lied several times about the "new" girl thing and it pisses me off and twice I have informed her of this.
I do not think it is because they remember me. I have been there several times but only here and there and they never did that before. All happened in my 3 visits I took within the same 9 days. They always put their hand out for the money but the 2 mami only handed the room number and condom and walked off. That is why I asked the third one one when asked for the money and she said either before or after. So I wanted to know how Classic was and she asked for the money but said I could pay after. One of you newbies go find out if YOU can pay after so we know.Opens at 6 pm*.
5th floor opens 5 or 6 and best to not go until 6 or 7. You are stupid if you do not go up and check out that floorSomewhat guilty as charged.
I left Classic Terminal 2 at 8 pm. I asked the doorman if there was something upstairs. He said yes, on the 5th floor. As I started to walk up the escalator, he said to take the elevator. I don't think you can get to Terminal 5 if you take the escalator. If you select "5" (European 5th floor / American 6th floor) on the elevator, it takes you to Terminal 5.
In the atrium where Classic Terminal 2 is located at, the escalators are turned off after Terminal 2. The lights are off above Terminal 2. Terminal 5 is located above the atrium. There is no sign for Terminal 5 on the elevator on the ground floor. You just have to know about it.
I like the layout of Terminal 5; it's more modern than Terminal 2. 2 huge LED screens. Same system as Classic Terminal 2. 5 K cover; same prices for girls and beers. Live band.
There was about 100 something number of girls. Same as Terminal 2. Less girls today at Terminal 2.
I initially thought the sexy lady dancers were better than Classic 2. There were more of them; better outfits; and some of them were cuter. There was one or two pretty cute ones. I asked mommie if they were available; she said no.
But fuck that! After they danced, 3 of them surrounded me with a waitress with a tray of shots. They asked me to buy them a shot (probably colored water). I said no. As I took a sip of my beer, 3 of them grab a shot glass, and toasted my beer glass and drank the shot. The waitress asked me to buy the shots. I said no a few times. Then later, other girls came, and started with the handshake routine.
After the initial shock, I just waved them off. I am starting to get a thick skin (which isn't good; I'm getting jaded).
Don't like the lady drink pressure. I was told the lady drinks are 40 K.
LoveItHere69
12-26-24, 18:37
After the initial shock, I just waved them off. I am starting to get a thick skin (which isn't good; I'm getting jaded).
Don't like the lady drink pressure. I was told the lady drinks are 40 K.They now know you are not a sucker. You go there tomorrow and I bet they leave you alone now. Do not get jaded.
They approached me once and then several months later. They will remember you and leave you alone. I asked them why I would buy drinks for girls who do not "F"? Some will I am sure but for a high price that will include an overinflated attitude with horrible service I am sure. Their facial expression scream WITCH!
Classic again today observations:
Took a pretty girl to room gave me the impression she is new seemed a bit innocent and not hardened like some are.
Took a load up her no problem.
Tipped 100 she was very happy.
We make our way back to the floor and before she even reached her seat her mamasan led her to a man sitting nearby at a table so they went to the room again. So 2nd time for her.
Wait for this. , later I took another girl and when I was coming back out the room she was going in again with another customer so 3 times including me in the short space of time. Well I took 3 too I was trying to keep up but 3 is very floppy and a struggle.
Last girl I took was more mature and more shapely curvy but in the bedroom it was disappointing.
Still not recognising any of the girls I've had out of classic from previous trips I don't think they are there anymore.
Tried contacting a couple I had their WhatsApp but it's clear you are talking to a handler abd they want you to transfer money online so it stopped there.
Saw an Indian guy sitting same as me and he asked for a girl to come sit with him damn she was so small and a huge rack lucky him.
A lot of the girls slouch back so hard to see if they have decent tits. I don't know how he spotted her.
Checked out Lokasari before heading back to hotel spent a bit of time there waking around with a friendly mamasan accompanied me was not pushy in the slightest quite helpful in fact. There were some holed up in FF hotel it was full of cigarette smoke. A lot of the handlers are wonky eyes. Group of young girls outside KFC everyone of them smoking in a group. Saw that there are groups sporadically placed around Lokasari mamasan took.
Me to each one. I didn't bother this time as it was too late and also I wasn't reloaded after classic and the girls seemed really rough and tough.
She was ok with me leaving and going home. I've experienced pushy ones there before.
Captain Solo
12-26-24, 19:36
Terminal 5 and Travel's girls apply high pressure on guys to buy these fake shots. They would come by with waiters carrying trays of 100 shots. Girls would beg you to buy them 1 shot. I kept telling them no, but relented under duress. If you buy them 1 they would ask for more, 20 or 50 shots, for them and their friends. Soon, all kinds of girls surround you pressuring for shots. The girls can knock down 10 or 20 very quickly. Some even knock them down before you give approval. I tasted the shots; they are just weak tea.
Each shot costs 40 or 50 K are. The bills can get steep quickly. Immediately after knocking down the shots, the girls just scoot away. You never get any mileage with their companies. This is the worst bar robberies in the world. I got pissed off being ripped off so cold and ruthlessly. I would shoo away any girl asking for shots in bars and won't take their girls to bed.
Girls' drinks in Classic 2 are the same prices as guys. Girls will sit with you, drink, talk, feel up a long time. This set up is much more fair. I had good times sitting and drinking with girls in the club and hot sessions with them in bed.
But fuck that! After they danced, 3 of them surrounded me with a waitress with a tray of shots. They asked me to buy them a shot (probably colored water). I said no. As I took a sip of my beer, 3 of them grab a shot glass, and toasted my beer glass and drank the shot. The waitress asked me to buy the shots. I said no a few times. Then later, other girls came, and started with the handshake routine.
After the initial shock, I just waved them off. I am starting to get a thick skin (which isn't good; I'm getting jaded).
Don't like the lady drink pressure. I was told the lady drinks are 40 K.
Traveling John #2
12-26-24, 20:27
I only had one girl reject me, and that was at the ground floor in Classic, where they are twice as expensive. The one and only time I went there, just to try. Mamasan said it was due to the girl being scared of big dick, and there can not be any doubt that even though otherwise I'm not that big in stature, there must be several other telltale signs indicating John Holmes himself would be embarrassed standing next to me in a dick lineup.
If that was the true reason I do not know of course.In Japan and Korea the girls are told westerners are full of STIs and have big dicks that will ruin them. 1 girl was so scared but the manager really tried to help me out. He kept asking the size of my chilli. I decided to pick another cute girl but she also had the same fear but was a little more adventurous and said she would try but if it was too big she would leave. Here I am sitting around a group of guys drinking talking about the size of my chilli. We had a laugh and the guys apologized for the embarrassing conversation. The adventurous girl turned out great and I think If I went back I could have had my pick.
Asiamonger1978
12-26-24, 21:09
I just checked with them on Instagram.
They are still open during Ramadan 12 noon to 2 AM.
Going to be there on a business trip during Ramadan.
Gaijin Gigolo
12-27-24, 06:47
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Maybe I should store a picture of my regular sized dick on my phone, and show it to the manager or the girl in a situation like that?
Finally, some really useful dick pick.
Can any kind soul advise how to open the ISG site in Jakarta, sorry for being such a noob, I am no tech guy. How does one activate it through VPN and how does it work and the settings on the apple phone.
Somewhat guilty as charged.
I left Classic Terminal 2 at 8 pm. I asked the doorman if there was something upstairs. He said yes, on the 5th floor. As I started to walk up the escalator, he said to take the elevator. I don't think you can get to Terminal 5 if you take the escalator. If you select "5" (European 5th floor / American 6th floor) on the elevator, it takes you to Terminal 5.
In the atrium where Classic Terminal 2 is located at, the escalators are turned off after Terminal 2. The lights are off above Terminal 2. Terminal 5 is located above the atrium. There is no sign for Terminal 5 on the elevator on the ground floor. You just have to know about it.
I like the layout of Terminal 5; it's more modern than Terminal 2. 2 huge LED screens. Same system as Classic Terminal 2. 5 K cover; same prices for girls and beers. Live band.
There was about 100 something number of girls. Same as Terminal 2. Less girls today at Terminal 2.
I initially thought the sexy lady dancers were better than Classic 2. There were more of them; better outfits; and some of them were cuter. There was one or two pretty cute ones. I asked mommie if they were available; she said no.
But fuck that! After they danced, 3 of them surrounded me with a waitress with a tray of shots. They asked me to buy them a shot (probably colored water). I said no. As I took a sip of my beer, 3 of them grab a shot glass, and toasted my beer glass and drank the shot. The waitress asked me to buy the shots. I said no a few times. Then later, other girls came, and started with the handshake routine.
After the initial shock, I just waved them off. I am starting to get a thick skin (which isn't good; I'm getting jaded).
Don't like the lady drink pressure. I was told the lady drinks are 40 K.I was on ground floor of classic and I wanted to take a dancer to a room. Mommy told 2. 4 mil or there abouts. Her body was so hot I almost went through with it. Later on someone on this board mentioned he actually did pay the money but the action in the bedroom was kind of meh. I will spend 2. 4 if there are higher odds that the service will be really good and multiple shots are part of the deal. At this point I can't imagine service from any woman at classic will be worth anymore than the 365 K standard fee.
- I went to CJs at 10 PM. 260 K cover, which gives you a drink from a limited list. Did they raise the cover (from 200 K), or was it just because it was Christmas? It was empty at 10 pm. The band started to play around 10:30 pm. Bintang drafts are 120 K.
- A few girls started to show up around that time. Above average and nicely dressed, but nothing special. I observed guys come in with girls, and get bottle service. Not sure if the girls were working, or if they were real dates. CJs is in a 5 star hotel.
- I observed 4 girls walk in, but they went to the top and sat at the couches with their backs turned; so I couldn't see how cute they were. Then the waiter brings 2 older guys, and the guys sit between them. I see the waiters greet unaccompanied girls. So it's obvious girls are available, even tough there is a list of rules in front, in which one of them states "no prostitution".
- I left around 11:30 pm. It still wasn't that crowded. Never asked the prices, since I'm not interested in spending all that money when there's better venues around. Does it get better later on the night?
- I went to Malio aound midnight. In the front, there is the Malio Spa; I was told it closes at 1 am. Then behind it is the Malio Club. I was told it closes at 3 am. It is a pseudo topless bar. The girls dance on stage with see thru tops. Nothing special about the girls. You can see the same quality at Classic. Maybe the best girls were already taken. Cover is 150 or 155 K.
- Anker can (no Bintang) is around 66 or 67 K.
- I was told the ladydrink is 66 K.
- Four girls and a waitress with a tray of shots approached and stood around me. I grabbed one and said I will buy her one ladydrink. Then the waitress asked if I would like to buy all the girls a drink. I said no, just her. The waitress said 4 ladydrinks. I said no, just one. The girl, who I was grabbing, said 2 was the minimum. I said no, just one. Then they all left.
- Was I in the wrong? I probably would have eventually bought her 4, if she behaved correctly. I would have much preferred if each ladydrink was priced at 132 K, rather then having a 2 drink minimum. Was that just a semi-scam on her part? Or is that the normal mode of operation at the Malio Club?
- I went to CJs at 10 PM. 260 K cover, which gives you a drink from a limited list. Did they raise the cover (from 200 K), or was it just because it was Christmas? It was empty at 10 pm. The band started to play around 10:30 pm. Bintang drafts are 120 K.
- A few girls started to show up around that time. Above average and nicely dressed, but nothing special. I observed guys come in with girls, and get bottle service. Not sure if the girls were working, or if they were real dates. CJs is in a 5 star hotel.
- I observed 4 girls walk in, but they went to the top and sat at the couches with their backs turned; so I couldn't see how cute they were. Then the waiter brings 2 older guys, and the guys sit between them. I see the waiters greet unaccompanied girls. So it's obvious girls are available, even tough there is a list of rules in front, in which one of them states "no prostitution".
- I left around 11:30 pm. It still wasn't that crowded. Never asked the prices, since I'm not interested in spending all that money when there's better venues around. Does it get better later on the night?
- I went to Malio aound midnight. In the front, there is the Malio Spa; I was told it closes at 1 am. Then behind it is the Malio Club. I was told it closes at 3 am. It is a pseudo topless bar. The girls dance on stage with see thru tops. Nothing special about the girls. You can see the same quality at Classic. Maybe the best girls were already taken. Cover is 150 or 155 K.
- Anker can (no Bintang) is around 66 or 67 K.
- I was told the ladydrink is 66 K.
- Four girls and a waitress with a tray of shots approached and stood around me. I grabbed one and said I will buy her one ladydrink. Then the waitress asked if I would like to buy all the girls a drink. I said no, just her. The waitress said 4 ladydrinks. I said no, just one. The girl, who I was grabbing, said 2 was the minimum. I said no, just one. Then they all left.
- Was I in the wrong? I probably would have eventually bought her 4, if she behaved correctly. I would have much preferred if each ladydrink was priced at 132 K, rather then having a 2 drink minimum. Was that just a semi-scam on her part? Or is that the normal mode of operation at the Malio Club?Right now there is a whole crew of mid 20's women that come to CJ's from Bogor. Sometimes they come in one herd. Sometimes they link up at CJ's and disperse. Some of them are pretty hot. Try to go there when there isn't a band and its a little less active around midnight. Its a buyers market around that time. I scooped a hot one for oevernight for much less than she was asking a few hours earlier around 12:30. I went to BATS one time and a woman there explained to me that woman from BATS don't go to CJ's because they have to compete with younger woman. From my experience CJ'see is mid 20's. Mid 30's. BATs is mid 30's on up. All this is with some exceptions of course. In either place be careful not to waste time on woman who are there to hook a rich foreign husband. They will be all flirty but are angling for a dinner date sometime in the future. In most cases they will not go back to your room regardless of how much game or money you offer.
Maybe I should store a picture of my regular sized dick on my phone, and show it to the manager or the girl in a situation like that?
Finally, some really useful dick pick.Well, all joking aside, from what I understand from most girls, the average western dick is quite a bit bigger than the average asian dick they are used to. Of course, once I'm fucking them there is never any problem, and if they think about it, things are designed so that a whole baby will come out of that hole, but if they've never had sex with a western guy before, they may indeed be a bit dick scared.
Anyway, I'm sure your dick would be too big, but I can send you a pic of mine to use, which should alleviate any and all fears they may have.
Can any kind soul advise how to open the ISG site in Jakarta, sorry for being such a noob, I am no tech guy. How does one activate it through VPN and how does it work and the settings on the apple phone.It's easy and free you download OPERA onto your phone and use that instead of safari if it's iPhone and has a free vpn. You can actually configure the vpn further if needed to by holding vpn.
Tried Lokasari again as I was too late yesterday. I met the same helpful mamasan she called her girls and took over an hour to arrive she kept calling them and kept motioning me to wait. In that time I saw a beauty of a girl from another mamasan turn up I asked to take her mamasan said no WTF said another customer is taking her I said I'm here now have money but she stuck to her guns. I got asked how much I was willing to pay I said 400 she says the girl wants 1 million I said no way I can go to classic. I was next to the girl and gestured me and her 400 she shook her head. Mamasan justifies it by saying previous customer paid 1 million these cunts ruin it by overpaying and overtipping it will end up like Philippines and Thailand. I'm not paying 1 million for Lokasari street girl.
Eventually a girl turns up from the helpful mamasan we all go to FF hotel I gave the 400 to mamasan she counts it out in front of her girl and hands 300 to the girl she leaves the room girl is sending lots of messages instead of getting down to business. Kept asking me how much I paid her mamasan I show 4 fingers she asks me for another 100 I refused she wasn't happy about that I already paid the room 120.
Anyway got down to business wasn't that great. I didn't feel safe in that environment just felt something was off seeing her writing messages before starting it felt like she was wasting time So wanted to leave quickly after I finished she tried to call me back as I left the room but it felt like she was expecting someone. There were a few bystanders in the hallway eyeballing me one was hotel security I eyeballed back.
May as well. The lift couldn't come quick enough by this time she was next to me I was watching the numbers of the lift come up to our Floor I got in the lift with her and exited the place. Saw the mamasans they were asking me for a tip.
So I should mention they overcharged me earlier for 2 cans of coke me and mamasans 30,000 I said that's too expensive. And I also met the famous pipit which she confirmed she's not a mamasan she goes with customers her words. She demanded a tip I said I've used up my money she went off her head and said fuck you fuck you fuck you I said don't speak to me like that I can go to that shop and get you money she said fuck you I get nothing. At this point when I offered to resolve it and still getting insulted there's no point going back.
Long story short expect things not to go smoothly waiting for a long time, changing prices, shady people hanging around, I was there at 6 pm and girls didn't appear until 7:30 pm plenty of Chinese / Japanese / Koreans hanging around waiting for girls to appear so you are up against them. I had friendly and willing girls from there before but the amount of time wasted and the dodgy goings on it's not worth putting yourself in that environment anything can happen.
I got asked how much I was willing to pay I said 400 she says the girl wants 1 million I said no way I can go to classic. I was next to the girl and gestured me and her 400 she shook her head. Mamasan justifies it by saying previous customer paid 1 million these cunts ruin it by overpaying and overtipping it will end up like Philippines and Thailand. I'm not paying 1 million for Lokasari street girl.
LOL, plenty of people here like to overtip and will continue to do so.
Gaijin Gigolo
12-28-24, 04:21
Tried Lokasari again as I was too late yesterday. I met the same helpful mamasan she called her girls and took over an hour to arrive she kept calling them and kept motioning me to wait. In that time I saw a beauty of a girl from another mamasan turn up I asked to take her mamasan said no WTF said another customer is taking her I said I'm here now have money but she stuck to her guns. I got asked how much I was willing to pay I said 400 she says the girl wants 1 million I said no way I can go to classic. I was next to the girl and gestured me and her 400 she shook her head. Mamasan justifies it by saying previous customer paid 1 million these cunts ruin it by overpaying and overtipping it will end up like Philippines and Thailand. I'm not paying 1 million for Lokasari street girl.
Eventually a girl turns up from the helpful mamasan we all go to FF hotel I gave the 400 to mamasan she counts it out in front of her girl and hands 300 to the girl she leaves the room girl is sending lots of messages instead of getting down to business. Kept asking me how much I paid her mamasan I show 4 fingers she asks me for another 100 I refused she wasn't happy about that I already paid the room 120.
Anyway got down to business wasn't that great. I didn't feel safe in that environment just felt something was off seeing her writing messages before starting it felt like she was wasting time So wanted to leave quickly after I finished she tried to call me back as I left the room but it felt like she was expecting someone. There were a few bystanders in the hallway eyeballing me one was hotel security I eyeballed back.
May as well. The lift couldn't come quick enough by this time she was next to me I was watching the numbers of the lift come up to our Floor I got in the lift with her and exited the place. Saw the mamasans they were asking me for a tip.
So I should mention they overcharged me earlier for 2 cans of coke me and mamasans 30,000 I said that's too expensive. And I also met the famous pipit which she confirmed she's not a mamasan she goes with customers her words. She demanded a tip I said I've used up my money she went off her head and said fuck you fuck you fuck you I said don't speak to me like that I can go to that shop and get you money she said fuck you I get nothing. At this point when I offered to resolve it and still getting insulted there's no point going back.
Long story short expect things not to go smoothly waiting for a long time, changing prices, shady people hanging around, I was there at 6 pm and girls didn't appear until 7:30 pm plenty of Chinese / Japanese / Koreans hanging around waiting for girls to appear so you are up against them. I had friendly and willing girls from there before but the amount of time wasted and the dodgy goings on it's not worth putting yourself in that environment anything can happen.Nice update on the Lokasari scene. And good on ya for sticking to your price. As I've said many times before here, and as you just confirmed, some of these arrogant punters on here who think they're being cute by overpaying and throwing around big tips is the reason prices go up. A Lokasari street girl now asking for 1 M is a prime example of what I was trying to warn people about.
Terminal 5 and Travel's girls apply high pressure on guys to buy these fake shots. They would come by with waiters carrying trays of 100 shots. Girls would beg you to buy them 1 shot. I kept telling them no, but relented under duress. If you buy them 1 they would ask for more, 20 or 50 shots, for them and their friends. Soon, all kinds of girls surround you pressuring for shots. The girls can knock down 10 or 20 very quickly. Some even knock them down before you give approval. I tasted the shots; they are just weak tea.
Each shot costs 40 or 50 K are. The bills can get steep quickly. Immediately after knocking down the shots, the girls just scoot away. You never get any mileage with their companies. This is the worst bar robberies in the world. I got pissed off being ripped off so cold and ruthlessly. I would shoo away any girl asking for shots in bars and won't take their girls to bed.
Girls' drinks in Classic 2 are the same prices as guys. Girls will sit with you, drink, talk, feel up a long time. This set up is much more fair. I had good times sitting and drinking with girls in the club and hot sessions with them in bed.Good warning. Note that Terminal 2 also has these same shot girls I think. The one time I went in the evening on my last stay I too was accosted by such a girl (a "dancer" I guess). She didn't give me the impression she'd scoot away immediately, but she wasn't my type either, and had a hustling vibe to boot, so I didn't bother buying the drink. Think she also said it cost 40,000.
Was in classic again and saw a Japanese / Korean whatever he was bring a bag in and sit at a table nearby me he calls a girl from her seating to meet him no laser he opens his bag and outcomes a cuddly fluffy tiger cub and gives it to her all the girls look so lovingly at that. He had another cuddly toy too it was a panda I think and was showing it to her pretty weird. Saw something similar in Bangkok Nana plaza he gave the girls on stage all sweets from a bag and they all unwrapped the sweets and ate them they.
Looked overjoyed.
I'm Confused if I were to do that I'm Sure they would disappointed as they want the money not a candy sweet or a cuddly toy. Hahah.
Live band playing entry fee 5,000 had a cola exit fee was 33,000 cheapest exit fee so far.
Very very busy at terminal 2 rammed with girls and Asian men customers. Met cha cha she wasn't as pushy as before and wanted to dance and sing in front of me a lot so she must be comfortable with me or her menopause is over Hahaha or possibly it was that busy she didn't need to bother me so much. I still got being brushed last and sulking look when I'm with a girl that's not hers.
1st girl I took huge rack as many do in there she been there a year when we were walking down to the rooms I noticed she walked in front.
Of me got to the room tried the no condom but she wasn't having it. She asked for tip at the end I smiled and said no condom 200 I'm sorry. She looked annoyed and again she walked separate going back up.
Next girl I took was a skinny one she walked hand in hand and seemed comfortable I got what I wanted and tipped her. Worked there 3 month apparently. Walked back out hand in and nice and comfortable.
The ones that knock me back for the condom so far have been the big titted ones.
Saw a couple of familiar faces possibly from this forum if it's you send me a message.
Finally recognised 1 girl I knew from before we made eye contact I showed her my translate we know each other she nodded she looked like she wanted to go with me but just met an Asian man.
At a table the drinks kept coming there was popcorn just so much stuff being bought and dancing together at the table.
Looked like he just wanted company.
I have a feeling most people don't know about this floor. If you want to go to T5, just walk in hotel classic on your right hand pass T1 (the club on the ground floor) straight to the elevators and tell the doorman "lima" (5). Enter the club and it's basically the same system as T2 as we all know.
With that being said I kind of liked the setup in T5, you have only 2 sections of ladies sitting on bench type seating like you see in a stadium which I believe I counted 3 rows and you have spotlights shining on the ladies. Not as many as in T2 but a lot of pretty girls also in T5.
There are a lot of barstool seating for us gents to sit and scope out the talent. I find it much easier because there are only 2 sections to concentrate on, where in T2 you need to keep changing seats to see what talent you have in different sections.
I arrived in T5 around 9 pm, I don't know what time they open but from the previous posts it seem to open around 6 pm? Anyway mammas instantly came to me to present their girls, but for those of us who know how the system works I politely declined their offer and they left me alone and I checked out the place on my own.
Only 2 sections that was easy! I saw a lot of potential, some didn't want to make eye contact with me, maybe shy, scared or I'm ugly I don't know? Others where smiling and holding up (Korean) heart signs I'm not Korean BTW.
I sat down by the first section again, a mamma from T2 I have met on my previous trip a couple of months ago recognized me (she works in T5 now) and came to me and we talked a bit. She lasered called one of her girls to me, cute girl, "new" girl, no baby, good service etc. (don't believe those things anymore) massive rack I would have totally do her.
BUT she didn't give me the vibe that she wanted to be here with me, she could've been shy or because she couldn't speak English or for whatever reason so I send her back to her seat.
Mamma signaled another girl over, cute but I wouldn't have picked her myself, but when she came over she was all bubbly, hugged me and looked happy to be at my presence. She couldn't speak English but we communicated through the translate app. After some questioning and ticking off my boxes, I called mamma over, signed the bill (more on that later) and we went to the room. (Same price as T2).
Eventually I was happy with my pick, she gave me a real GFE, BB everything (probably not my smartest idea but it feels so much better LOL) P.S. I didn't brought up the no condom thing in the interview.
Anyway she gave me good BJ after a while doing different possions I blasted my load in her she looked shocked when that happened but she wasn't bothered for long and she was fine with it.
She gave me a shower, tipped her 100 k, she gave me her WhatsApp I might send her a message and invite her over to my hotel one day.
Tip: I feel the no condom thing should be discussed in the room when you are both naked, when she sees you are clean, well groomed or shaven, smells good etc. Her answer would be yes no problem.
It doesn't work everytime, some girls are firm on the condom rule, but it has worked for me so far. If you both have great chemistry anything is possible.
Another tip, just pay at the end of your session by card it's much easier (maybe don't use your main credit card) but this way you don't have to visit the ATM and deal with a big bundle of cash and small change that often.
I use a debit card (Wise). On your credit / debit card statement it's shows: New CLs for T2 and CLs2 for T5. I only have cash in hand for tipping the girls, waiters or paying exit fee when not selecting a girl.
That's it for now, I have some other reports but that is for next time!
P.S. I have a random thing and I'll probably get some hate for it: what do you guys think about a dress code walking in these type of establishments?
I've seen foreigners maybe some of you ISG members (sorry) but also locals walk in with short and slippers like bums or they are going to a beach's etc. I don't mean you have to wear a 3 piece suit, but is it to much to wear long pants and a nice shirt? Back home you won't be going out to a club with shorts and slippers right?
Or am I the only one?
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StinkyFeet
12-29-24, 04:39
Was in classic again and saw a Japanese / Korean whatever he was bring a bag in and sit at a table nearby me he calls a girl from her seating to meet him no laser he opens his bag and outcomes a cuddly fluffy tiger cub and gives it to her all the girls look so lovingly at that. He had another cuddly toy too it was a panda I think and was showing it to her pretty weird. Saw something similar in Bangkok Nana plaza he gave the girls on stage all sweets from a bag and they all unwrapped the sweets and ate them they.
Looked overjoyed.
I'm Confused if I were to do that I'm Sure they would disappointed as they want the money not a candy sweet or a cuddly toy. Hahah.Maybe he does both or a really good customer. I'm guessing he is a repeat customer. I don't think that reaction will garner much enthusiasm if they never met prior.
MrHappyKat
12-29-24, 07:01
Was in classic again and saw a Japanese / Korean whatever he was bring a bag in and sit at a table nearby me he calls a girl from her seating to meet him no laser he opens his bag and outcomes a cuddly fluffy tiger cub and gives it to her all the girls look so lovingly at that. He had another cuddly toy too it was a panda I think and was showing it to her pretty weird. Saw something similar in Bangkok Nana plaza he gave the girls on stage all sweets from a bag and they all unwrapped the sweets and ate them they.
Looked overjoyed.
I'm Confused if I were to do that I'm Sure they would disappointed as they want the money not a candy sweet or a cuddly toy. Hahah.I was in one of the more popular Gogo Bars on Walking Street (Fields Ave) around 10:30 pm and a somewhat older guy shambles in and sits down by the side of the stage. He's got a huge plastic bag with him and starts pulling out stuffed animals, Santa style, and handing them to the dancers. They gushed over these trinkets and gave "Santa" big hugs. He never paid for a drink or tipped any cash. From what I could see, he didn't even speak to anyone. Just sat there, grinning.
WTF?
Gaijin Gigolo
12-29-24, 07:04
I was in one of the more popular Gogo Bars on Walking Street (Fields Ave) around 10:30 pm and a somewhat older guy shambles in and sits down by the side of the stage. He's got a huge plastic bag with him and starts pulling out stuffed animals, Santa style, and handing them to the dancers. They gushed over these trinkets and gave "Santa" big hugs. He never paid for a drink or tipped any cash. From what I could see, he didn't even speak to anyone. Just sat there, grinning.
WTF?Just stupid and weird. These girls are not children.
Expat American
12-29-24, 07:41
I was in one of the more popular Gogo Bars on Walking Street (Fields Ave) around 10:30 pm and a somewhat older guy shambles in and sits down by the side of the stage. He's got a huge plastic bag with him and starts pulling out stuffed animals, Santa style, and handing them to the dancers. They gushed over these trinkets and gave "Santa" big hugs. He never paid for a drink or tipped any cash. From what I could see, he didn't even speak to anyone. Just sat there, grinning.
WTF?Why is this surprising? A lot of these girls are just barely older than 18 from remote villages. Just because they work in a bar, doesn't mean they are not still interested in things other girls that age are interested in.
LoveItHere69
12-29-24, 09:34
They do not go with you because they think you or remind her of a guy that had a big the, took forever to finish, STD, weird fetish, nasty nails so they think you are dirty, bad smell, rough in bed, her friend likes you and does not want her friend mad, you remind her of her ex-boyfriend, she is waiting her regular customer who will be there in 10 minutes, and the list goes on.
If you really do have a big the then do this. Put your the and a Q-Tip ear cleaner on a single colored table and take a picture of each. Then shrink your the and put the two pictures together side by side.
How is anyone surprised by watered down or fake shots?
Non-techie talking. Once you download Opera you have to turn on the VPN and I believe the default location is USA. I did it so it is easy. But forgot how already. Youtube is your friend.
Why pay 2. 4 mil at Classic ground floor when you can save 1 mil, get better women, better rooms, and maybe more time at Malio, Emporium, 1001.
If a girl approaches you and the first thing out of her mouth is wanting something then tell her to screw off. OMG, at least she should start the conversation with a simple asking of your name.
Went to Classic 5th floor on Friday at 8 pm. You may find this hard to believe but I met a girl. We did some stuff. I do not kiss and tell. Story over. The point is this. Prior two days the mamis on 3rd floor asked for money right then before the deed, but you can pay after just sign. Third day the 5th floor mami went straight to the signature. Much prefer this way. Here comes the problem. Never happened before. Had 30,000 change coming. They gave me the receipt and took forever before giving me the money. Testing me to see if I would forget about it. Then the two cashiers asked several times if they could keep the change. Sorry but their job is a joke and not worthy of a tip. Sit down and wait, it gets worse. Outside I hand the thing showing I paid to the girl before getting on the elevator. That witch looked at my hand and asked for the money. WTF! I hand her a piece of plastic which takes 5 seconds of her time and that is worthy of a tip? Neither of those have happened before. Maybe you guessed it, maybe you did not, so I will tell you I was not a happy camper.
Warning: Classic has a DJ on December 30 on 3rd floor. I avoid because I do not want to support anything not related to why I am there. Otherwise they do that crap more and more. Please support mongering by not going that day. Thank you for your support!
LoveItHere69
12-29-24, 21:03
These kind of simps / customers have 5 yo mental age.Some guys love the sex scene at bars and brothels and have been living it for years. Maybe later in life they no longer have the libido but still enjoy being surounded by pretty girls. Seems like an asian cultural thing. Simple girls like simple stuff. Most everywhere I have seen this the majority of the girls like it. Normally it is chocolate. Maybe some of the gifts are odd at times but the girls appreciate being appreciated in all forms. Next time he walks into the club 30+ girls will remember him. Only one girl will remember you.
Just stupid and weird. These girls are not children.Many would disagree. Especially if we are talking about maturity rather than date of birth.
LoveItHere69
12-30-24, 06:37
Too important ot put in the resto section.
I ate a squid dish with these 1 cm x 2 cm green beans in it and was trapped at the toilet for 24 hours and had a mild but bad leftover taste in my mouth for 3 mornings after. I asked the hotel girl about the bean and she put her hand to her tummy and laughed at me. Security guard made motions of shitting his pants and also was laughing at me. No idea how they sell this at a restaurant.
Avoid Petai (Pete) bean!
https://www.tasteatlas.com/petai-beans
Expat American
12-30-24, 07:11
Many would disagree. Especially if we are talking about maturity rather than date of birth.One could apply your statement just as aptly to quite a few posters on this board.
At captainsolo.
Girls' drinks in Classic 2 are the same prices as guys. Girls will sit with you, drink, talk, feel up a long time. This set up is much more fair. I had good times sitting and drinking with girls in the club and hot sessions with them in bed.
How does girls drink and time to sit with you.
Do you buy one drink to her 50 k and she sits there for the drink and nooney for her time.
Or Is it 365 for 1 HR to sit with you.
How much time she would stay.
Can someone explain please.
Seen many groups of guys with group of girls don't understand this.
Some guys love the sex scene at bars and brothels and have been living it for years. Maybe later in life they no longer have the libido but still enjoy being surounded by pretty girls. Seems like an asian cultural thing. Simple girls like simple stuff. Most everywhere I have seen this the majority of the girls like it. Normally it is chocolate. Maybe some of the gifts are odd at times but the girls appreciate being appreciated in all forms. Next time he walks into the club 30+ girls will remember him. Only one girl will remember you.Indeed. This is a perfect example of both parties enjoying the interaction without hurting anybody else, even though it looks silly. Not my cup of tea, but good for him. No need to ridicule.
P.S. I have a random thing and I'll probably get some hate for it: what do you guys think about a dress code walking in these type of establishments?
I've seen foreigners maybe some of you ISG members (sorry) but also locals walk in with short and slippers like bums or they are going to a beach's etc. I don't mean you have to wear a 3 piece suit, but is it to much to wear long pants and a nice shirt? Back home you won't be going out to a club with shorts and slippers right?
Or am I the only one?In general I agree with you from a club going perspective, if the ladies are dressed nice then so should you even if they are working girls (just my 2 cents).
But wearing good shorts (something like cargo shorts) and a good t-shirt or beach style shirt is not so bad either especially if you are in a hot and humid place where it could rain anytime, I personally am from India (hope that does not apply any steriotypes), but it is generally hot and humid here too and I also like to wear comfortable clothes locally as well as in SEA countries, whereas in Western countries generally the weather ranges from cold to pleasant summers. When I was in Europe earlier I was always fully clothed, from head to toe. But mainly bcoz of the cold weather, I won't say that I am good looking or anything, but I haven't faced any issues with any working ladies (Indian, SEA, Caucasian) so far.
While a party wear to a club is the go to dressing style, the logistics, weather and convenience can take precedence over that factor and over time it becomes a norm for many.
T5 was dead a lot less girls first time I've went to a place and never took.
A girl and checked out.
T2 busier and better I walked around all the couches didn't really see any I liked but saw some nice ones walking back and forth but never did see them sitting on the sofas to get them lasered over to me.
Saw lots of girls sitting with customers at tables which is annoying because it takes them off the market.
So probably that's where they are but it's hard to see as there's always mamasans and waitresses and general foot traffic blocking the view as well as it being dark.
Captain Solo
12-30-24, 18:55
AFAIK there are no rules how long the girls can sit with you. Instead of sitting at the couches with other girls, they can sit with you as long as they want with the 40 K drinks. Obviously they would rather float around and get picked up by other guys, so I would slip tips in their boobs and crotches as I kiss and grips them to give them incentives to stay.
Other Asian guys sit on couches with 5 or 6 girls long time without buying drinks for girls. Some bought a plate of fruits for girls to share.
My first time in Classic 2, I had no idea how the club worked, so I asked a big-spending local to explain things. He was very helpful all night, guiding me how to work the club. I would like to thank him for his help and friendship.
I found Classic 2 easy and relaxing. It's up to you to manage your companies and situations. Any problems ask a mamasan to help. Better yet, engage a mamasan to help you select and deal with girls.
Gaijin Gigolo
12-31-24, 03:16
P.S. I have a random thing and I'll probably get some hate for it: what do you guys think about a dress code walking in these type of establishments?
I've seen foreigners maybe some of you ISG members (sorry) but also locals walk in with short and slippers like bums or they are going to a beach's etc. I don't mean you have to wear a 3 piece suit, but is it to much to wear long pants and a nice shirt? Back home you won't be going out to a club with shorts and slippers right?
Or am I the only one?I agree, no reason to go to these places dressed like an bum or a homeless person, and especially to then expect top-flight service. I wouldn't go anywhere wearing sandals or flip flops anyway, just for safety reasons.
As far as going to regular clubs dressed like this, you wouldn't even be allowed entry. Most non-mongering clubs have a dress code that mandates long pants and covered toe shoes for men.
I agree, no reason to go to these places dressed like an bum or a homeless person, and especially to then expect top-flight service. I wouldn't go anywhere wearing sandals or flip flops anyway, just for safety reasons.
Safety reasons?
Gaijin Gigolo
12-31-24, 07:33
Safety reasons?Stepping on something that would go right through a flimsy pair of sandals or just as bad, having your feet stepped on. It's very dark in some of these places. And not you might encounter trying to walk down a street in Jakarta.
- Left Jakarta this past Sunday; Spent 13 nights there; I liked it; Will return.
- Classic Terminal 2 was great.
I only saw one tour bus on my first night; didn't see any tour buses for the other nights.
If you get multiple drinks, you get a small discount on the prices of the drinks and the cover charge (from the whole 5 K for the normal priced cover).
The DJ and the ear piercing music starts at 5:30 pm. Then there is a live band; I don't like it where they receive tips, and locals will do karaoke; some are poor singers.
After the band, there are "sexy" dancers. Didn't understand this part. My first week there, I only saw girls in normal shorts dancing. Then this past weekend, I saw girls in negligee outfits, some with see-thru tops. Not sure if those come late, or if they just started, or if they only come on the weekends.
One of the dancers asked me for a drink; this was the only time that this occurred with any girl. I was there a lot. But the girl was ugly, so I said no. I see girls, both normal and the dancers, having drinks with the customers. But they were drinking normal drinks; never saw any waitress with a tray of shots. Are there ladydrinks there? Are those normal price drinks? I am assuming it's normal price drinks; never saw any shots. But I am also assuming guys will give the girls tips; I don't think the girls will want to drink with you for couple of hours for free, or for just one 365 K fee.
I talked to 1 drunk local at that place. He said the girls were sooo cheap. He said, the girls only cost, and after a short pause, said 600K. I am guessing he was calculating the tip he gave to the girls for sitting with him for a long time. Not sure. I am only speculating.
IMO, this is a great place to come with your friends, and drink and play pool with your friends, and be surrounded with girls that drink with you that you or your friend can take to the room for an hour. And all this for very cheap (Western price point).
Most of the customers seem to be locals; maybe East Asians; but assuming a lot of the rich locals look like East Asian since many of them are Chinese or have Chinese blood in them.
BBBJ is on the menu. Rimming and CIM are not on the normal menu. But many will do it for an additional tip (Maybe less than half; I think I had a statistical quirk at the beginning, where many said yes). Only a few didn't ask for an extra tip. Many will do it for an additional 100 K (200 K total); actually, most will say no initially; and then you have to offer the additional tip. One asked for 200 K additional (300 K total). Another asked for 500 K. I've never tried just offering 100 K for everything at the beginning. Maybe try that if you want to save money.
- In Angeles, girls love chocolate; they love Snickers and Ferrero Roche. Actually, everywhere in the world, especially in third world SE Asia, people like free things. Girls will love to get a free 20 baht or a 30 pesos chocolate for free. 20 baht or 30 pesos is good money to people over there. Geez, even in rich America, I see people wait in a long line for a $1 special on a hamburger.
One thing I've noticed at Classic, not sure if anyone else mentioned this. But girls all seem to walk en-masse to the pool tables pretty often. Now you might be thinking they're walking to take part in a lineup for some lucky punter but when I walk over there a minute later there's no one there! Then it happens again, this is like 15 girls at a time and they never stop, they just carry on. Sometimes I see someone I like but they all seem to walk on robotically without a cause and they don't always seem to walk back straightaway. If anyone can solve this little mystery as I'm quite curious.
I was in Jakarta for a grand total of 55 days and fucked a total of 92 women. Here is a breakdown of where I sourced them from:
Classic - 52.
Travel - 3.
Lokasari / Mangga Besar - 10.
Civies / Friends of Friends - 27.
I started out staying on mangga besar back in early November at the sparks life hotel and sourcing from Lokasari, after about 5 days I moved into a more affordable airbnb in the Pasar Baru area and started going to Classic.
I liked Classic alot and had the most sessions there. For those of you whom RTFF, I have several extensive reports I posted on Classic in this forum back in November and early December. It is great value for the money and many girls to choose from, however it does seem to get a little mechanical after a while.
Way back when I was staying at the sparks life hotel there were these parking dudes that wear blue vests directing motos and cars on Manga Besar in front of an Indomaret store. One day I was walking by and they asked me if I wanted "ladies" I ended up getting one from them later that same day and while she wasn't the best session I've ever had, I did exchange WhatsApp numbers with her.
This led me to getting several more ladies from her and then exchanging WhatsApp numbers with them as well. Somewhere along the line I ran into a very friendly 20 year old who wanted to be like a girlfriend. Not only did she provide me with her friends who only charged me 200 k for bbfscip, but we would often go out to lunch (just the GF and I). This led to me repeating with her. She is a very nice girl, Javanese, darker brown skin, slim petite body, perky tits, cute face. She refers to me as Mister and I even learned some more bahasa words from my time with her on these dates (for example using aku instead of Saya, while Google uses Saya I think it's like too formal and she always uses aku).
During our quasi-relationship if you can call it that, I got a total of about 20 friends from her that I fucked (not including the other ones that I went thru to get to her in the first place). Every single one of them bbfscip by the way, without even a mention of a condom or having to tip extra like at classic.
On one occasion I took her to the Grand Indonesia Mall and we ate at Taco Bell together (although I don't think she cared much for it) and then we went up the big escalator to the movie theater to watch Mufasa together.
We're keeping in contact as I am no longer there and she hasn't even asked me to send her any money. We already have made plans to go to Bandung together for a few days in May when I return.
This was my first trip to Southeast Asia and my first trip to Indonesia and I absolutely loved Indonesia the best, better than Thailand and Philippines. And not just because it is the cheapest place to monger but also the difference in culture, the food (I also posted some restaurant reviews in thr Jakarta restaurant section of some great local restaurants), the genuinely nice people, the perception of safety and of course the beautiful women. I also love learning new languages too and I found Bahasa Indonesia very easy to pick up phrases.
Next time someone asks you "apa kabarmu" don't just say "baik" say "ahumdulilah baik" I learned that phrase from a lady who sells fried tofu and tempe on the street and it is the equivalent of "como esta, bien gracias a Dios. " The locals really like to hear when I said that and I feel like it earned more respect from them.
Indonesia is Amazing and I can't wait to be back again.
Gabacho.
One thing I've noticed at Classic,Another thing I noticed about Classic Terminal 2 is that IMO, many girls do not know how to put on make-up. Some put that red shit on their cheeks and nose; way too much sometimes. Some of the girls put a lot on their eyelids. That style turns me off.
On one occasion I took her to the Grand Indonesia Mall and we ate at Taco Bell togetherMy favorite area to eat at. Although I've never tried the Taco Bell there. LOL! The Grand Indonesia Mall is an upscale multi-wing mall, with many many good moderate to pricey (for Indonesia) places to eat at. Very affordable if you are on a Western budget.
The main problem is that the traffic around that mall is horrible (worst than other places). Many cars coming and going to that mall.
This led me to getting several more ladies from her and then exchanging WhatsApp numbers with them as well. Somewhere along the line I ran into a very friendly 20 year old who wanted to be like a girlfriend. Not only did she provide me with her friends who only charged me 200 k for bbfscip, but we would often go out to lunch (just the GF and I). This led to me repeating with her. She is a very nice girl, Javanese, darker brown skin, slim petite body, perky tits, cute face. She refers to me as Mister and I even learned some more bahasa words from my time with her on these dates (for example using aku instead of Saya, while Google uses Saya I think it's like too formal and she always uses aku).
This sounds amazing. You are truly living the dream! I've got to go to Jakarta and see if I can make this happen too.
Another thing I noticed about Classic Terminal 2 is that IMO, many girls do not know how to put on make-up. Some put that red shit on their cheeks and nose; way too much sometimes. Some of the girls put a lot on their eyelids. That style turns me off.
My favorite area to eat at. Although I've never tried the Taco Bell there. LOL! The Grand Indonesia Mall is an upscale multi-wing mall, with many many good moderate to pricey (for Indonesia) places to eat at. Very affordable if you are on a Western budget.
The main problem is that the traffic around that mall is horrible (worst than other places). Many cars coming and going to that mall.True, my favourite is the Nasi Padang at the food court which often has a small queue. Spicy chicken with sambal crisps with rice, very tasty.
Anyway a question for you bros. My flight from Bangkok will arrive in Jakarta at 5 am, where's a good place where I can hang out? Does the airport train even run this early? I would loathe to book an extra night at a hotel just to checkin early but it is a good few hours to kill on probably not much cheap. Any reasonably-priced lounges? Thanks all.
Hello brothers, I will be visiting Jakarta for 3 days (22-25 Jan) . I must thanks for all gentlemen here for great information which is helpful to plan the trip.
I will try to explore as such as possible pointers here with these days however please do suggest or dm me if any suggestion to pick girl to hotel.
Thanks again and happy new year all.
Wow that is just mind blowing stats, I did enjoy reading your reports hats off to you sir.
One thing I wonder or worries me since you love bareback and assume you did most of the girls.
Do the preps really work that good I know you mentioned Doxy in your previous reports. With only that can you be this "reckless" and don't worry about catching a thing?
And are you going to test yourself after a couple of weeks for more than only STD?
I would really like to hear about this and it could also be a lesson for all of us who like the BB also.Although unrelated to STDs / HIV I should probably also mention that I have had a vasectomy since 2008 as well. So no one got impregnated from me. I'm actually trying to be as responsible as possible in every possible aspect except for the use of a condom. My logic behind that is simple: the condom takes away too much from the pleasure and when weighing the pros and cons of the risk versus reward, for me personally, I felt that the lack of pleasure from using a condom was more of a con than the risks involved of not using one. Especially nowadays with all the advancements in modern medicine that are available to us, condoms in my opinion are becoming obsolete.
Whether or not the pleasure outweighs the risks is a personal choice that each person needs to make for himself and if you decide it's not worth it and would rather use a rubber, then by all means use one. It's your dick and your money and no one should be bashing anyone else about whether or not they decided to use a condom.
-Gabacho.
IMO, this is a great place to come with your friends, and drink and play pool with your friends, and be surrounded with girls that drink with you that you or your friend can take to the room for an hour. And all this for very cheap (Western price point).
Most of the customers seem to be locals; maybe East Asians; but assuming a lot of the rich locals look like East Asian since many of them are Chinese or have Chinese blood in them.
BBBJ is on the menu. Rimming and CIM are not on the normal menu. But many will do it for an additional tip (Maybe less than half; I think I had a statistical quirk at the beginning, where many said yes). Only a few didn't ask for an extra tip. Many will do it for an additional 100 K (200 K total); actually, most will say no initially; and then you have to offer the additional tip. One asked for 200 K additional (300 K total). Another asked for 500 K. I've never tried just offering 100 K for everything at the beginning. Maybe try that if you want to save money.
Good summary. I suspect what helps keep the prices good is indeed that we are fishing in the same pool as the locals, unlike e.g. Thailand. Once that changes I suspect it will be goodbye Jakarta for many of us.
After my first trip I asked whether I was overtipping or not, without getting any clear answers here, but on my second trip I think I've got a better understanding of things as far as Classic and similar lower priced places are concerned. Others here have visited many more times than me and may provide corrections, but I think the following guidelines are ok based on the responses I received from the girls.
Should put you in the "ok guy" category at Classic. Neither notably overpaying nor underpaying, which is where I aim to be.
- Nothing special, no tip. I never had this happen I think. Even the one girl who insisted on condom did something else to receive an extra tip. Also, while I now prefer BBFS, for most of my life I always used condoms outside ongoing relationships, after std testing for us both together, so I'm trying to not feel negative towards a girl who wants to be more careful about her health with a stranger she has no idea of whether even has HIV or not.
- BBFS: 100 k.
- BBFS threesome: 200 k each, provided they don't make any drama about having to wipe my dick when alternating girls. If they do, just the regular 100 k BBFS tip. 100 k would probably be accepted too here (I gave this my first time), but may put you in the somewhat cheapskate category, so later on I settled on 200 k as my standard price for this, for shooting twice, once in each girl. If only shooting once, I think 150 k each is acceptable.
- Anal: 200 k.
- Rimming: I guess an extra 100 k (on top of the BBFS tip). Only one girl did that, more or less by herself, and I did not try to force anyone else to do that. Since she was same that I fucked in the ass, I already tipped her 200 k for that.
- CIM. If she pulls away as soon as I start shooting, nothing extra. If she lets me empty myself in her mouth without rushing: 100k (the girl who insisted on condom did this).
Most girls did not ask me beforehand for a tip, but this is what I gave them afterwards. A few asked beforehand if I would tip them. Usually I just answered yes, and that was it, but if they asked how much (only one pair did that I think), I said the same numbers as I listed. One pair (the threesome pair) blurted out some crazy number, but accepted the numbers I listed after I refused their own suggestions.
True, my favourite is the Nasi Padang at the food court which often has a small queue. Spicy chicken with sambal crisps with rice, very tasty.
Anyway a question for you bros. My flight from Bangkok will arrive in Jakarta at 5 am, where's a good place where I can hang out? Does the airport train even run this early? I would loathe to book an extra night at a hotel just to checkin early but it is a good few hours to kill on probably not much cheap. Any reasonably-priced lounges? Thanks all.If your hotel has a pool, it will probably be opening up around the time you arrive, so if you want to save money, might go for a swim and then nap on the sunbeds by the pool for some hours. In-house massage may also be an option, though usually expensive.
The lounge at Jakarta airport was pretty crap, so I wouldn't pay any money to spend time there, if it's even possible to get in there when arriving.
Some hotels also have a half-day/early check-in rate. Email them and ask.
Gaijin Gigolo
01-01-25, 07:56
I was in Jakarta for a grand total of 55 days and fucked a total of 92 women. Here is a breakdown of where I sourced them from:
Classic - 52.
Travel - 3.
Lokasari / Mangga Besar - 10.
Civies / Friends of Friends - 27.
I started out staying on mangga besar back in early November at the sparks life hotel and sourcing from Lokasari, after about 5 days I moved into a more affordable airbnb in the Pasar Baru area and started going to Classic..Thanks for all your valuable intel. It looks pretty certain that I'll also be in Jakarta in May. Do let us know if you end up making the trip, perhaps we could collaborate on some practices and procedures then.
Expat American
01-01-25, 12:16
Good summary. I suspect what helps keep the prices good is indeed that we are fishing in the same pool as the locals, unlike e.g. Thailand. Once that changes I suspect it will be goodbye Jakarta for many of us.
After my first trip I asked whether I was overtipping or not, without getting any clear answers here, but on my second trip I think I've got a better understanding of things as far as Classic and similar lower priced places are concerned. Others here have visited many more times than me and may provide corrections, but I think the following guidelines are ok based on the responses I received from the girls.
Should put you in the "ok guy" category at Classic. Neither notably overpaying nor underpaying, which is where I aim to be.
- Nothing special, no tip. I never had this happen I think. Even the one girl who insisted on condom did something else to receive an extra tip. Also, while I now prefer BBFS, for most of my life I always used condoms outside ongoing relationships, after std testing for us both together, so I'm trying to not feel negative towards a girl who wants to be more careful about her health with a stranger she has no idea of whether even has HIV or not.
- BBFS: 100 k.
- BBFS threesome: 200 k each, provided they don't make any drama about having to wipe my dick when alternating girls. If they do, just the regular 100 k BBFS tip. 100 k would probably be accepted too here (I gave this my first time), but may put you in the somewhat cheapskate category, so later on I settled on 200 k as my standard price for this, for shooting twice, once in each girl. If only shooting once, I think 150 k each is acceptable.
- Anal: 200 k.
- Rimming: I guess an extra 100 k (on top of the BBFS tip). Only one girl did that, more or less by herself, and I did not try to force anyone else to do that. Since she was same that I fucked in the ass, I already tipped her 200 k for that.
- CIM. If she pulls away as soon as I start shooting, nothing extra. If she lets me empty myself in her mouth without rushing: 100k (the girl who insisted on condom did this).
Most girls did not ask me beforehand for a tip, but this is what I gave them afterwards. A few asked beforehand if I would tip them. Usually I just answered yes, and that was it, but if they asked how much (only one pair did that I think), I said the same numbers as I listed. One pair (the threesome pair) blurted out some crazy number, but accepted the numbers I listed after I refused their own suggestions.I prefer to be more generous. I don't think a girl should be forced to provide risky services like BBFS in order to earn a normal tip. 100 K is like 6 USD. Less than a coffee. If a girl provides decent normal service with good attitude, I'm happy to pay 100 K. 200 K for BBFS. This doesn't change if its single girl or threesome. Sometimes if I'm not in the mood to bargain, Ill even pay 300 K tip. I've paid even more in places like Emporium for BBFS. I don't believe this will spoil the market. What will is white mongers telling girls they will pull out and then coming inside them. Or DEMANDING BBFS or not tipping. This is what will make White foreigners unwelcome and have more and more girls turn you down. But I don't expect to change the behavior of anyone else and nobody can change mine. As they say My Dick My Money.
Wow that is just mind blowing stats, I did enjoy reading your reports hats off to you sir.
One thing I wonder or worries me since you love bareback and assume you did most of the girls.
Do the preps really work that good I know you mentioned Doxy in your previous reports. With only that can you be this "reckless" and don't worry about catching a thing?
Yeah, talk about blowing a place up. Good thing most of it was contained within Classic where the girls are kept cleaner, but with those numbers you have to have seen a thing or two rather unpleasant. Never saw syphilis with my own eyes until that area. That was rather unexpected considering the person. Skin tags and skin discoloration are common, with chlamyd almost gauranteed. I think it's due to the water being contaminated.
Also not sure why you would give 200 k to each for a threesome instead of 100 k. Just because? Those are sort of overrated anyway.
I wanted to thank you guys for all the valuable information and inspiration I gathered from this forum. I will arrive in Jakarta tomorrow and I feel really well prepared.
I will spend one month in Indonesia starting with 10 days in Jakarta. After that I'm not really sure. If I'll find a girl, that is really fun to be with I might invite her to a trip to one of the islands for a few days. If not, I'm sure I will have more than enough fun in all the great places in Jakarta you guys have been writing about.
If somebody is in Jakarta now and wants to hang out, send me a DM. I'll pay the first round.
MrHappyKat
01-02-25, 01:35
I'm scheduled to be there for the full month of April, 2025. Thinking of renting a scooter for the month rather than paying for 4-6 Grab Rides a day. I saw some rental shops in the area with a monthly rate of 1,300.000 IDR, including a helmet. Seems like a good deal and I will be getting an International Driver's Permit from AAA in the US (cost $20 US). Note I'm not too worried about the cost of grab rides. I have budget for that. I'm thinking a scooter will be valuable in getting around shitty traffic.
Any thoughts on this?
I am aware of the "scooter scams" from less than reputable renters that claim damage to the bike upon return. I think I know how to mitigate this; find a reputable dealer, take full video of the bike with the rental agent on camera before signing the contract, and ensure secure overnight parking (staying at Movenpick Hotel).
But any suggestion on this will be appreciated:
Good idea or bad?
Tips to ensure all goes well?
Things to avoid?
Better off with Grab?
BTW: I am not a long-distance walker (even moderate-distance). I have bad knees and can't easily walk more than a few blocks with ease.
Finally, if you have a recommendation for a preferred vendor, please share.
Thanks!
I'm scheduled to be there for the full month of April, 2025. Thinking of renting a scooter for the month rather than paying for 4-6 Grab Rides a day. I saw some rental shops in the area with a monthly rate of 1,300.000 IDR, including a helmet. Seems like a good deal and I will be getting an International Driver's Permit from AAA in the US (cost $20 US). Note I'm not too worried about the cost of grab rides. I have budget for that. I'm thinking a scooter will be valuable in getting around shitty traffic.
Any thoughts on this?
I am aware of the "scooter scams" from less than reputable renters that claim damage to the bike upon return. I think I know how to mitigate this; find a reputable dealer, take full video of the bike with the rental agent on camera before signing the contract, and ensure secure overnight parking (staying at Movenpick Hotel).
But any suggestion on this will be appreciated:
Good idea or bad?
Tips to ensure all goes well?
Things to avoid?
Better off with Grab?
BTW: I am not a long-distance walker (even moderate-distance). I have bad knees and can't easily walk more than a few blocks with ease.
Finally, if you have a recommendation for a preferred vendor, please share.
Thanks!I think it's a bad idea. I've ridden bikes and driven cars all over Thailand, where traffic was, and somewhat still is, similar to Indonesia, but even if you're an experienced rider (are you?) it will take some weeks to get used to the very different style of driving and traffic patterns that you will find here, compared to the west. Until then you will be confusing all the locals with your crazy western driving, greatly increasing the risk of an accident, even if you are the one "driving by the rules".
I'm not sure about about Indonesia, but I'll assume it will be somewhat similar to Thailand also in that you as a tourist will by default be the party at fault, which could lead to all sorts of nightmares when someone and their two kids crashes into you.
Back then there was no grab or uber, so I was kind of forced to get a bike eventually, or things would just take too damn long, and become too expensive for me also. Today, for just a months stay, I'd be using Grab, or the presumably somewhat cheaper local alternative (gojek?) all day. Grab-bikes in Thailand, as of rather recently, now mostly seem to carry with them an extra helmet (with all the quality of an old plastic bucket), so I no longer bother to bring my own for each ride, but not sure about Indonesia.
Expat American
01-02-25, 05:55
I'm scheduled to be there for the full month of April, 2025. Thinking of renting a scooter for the month rather than paying for 4-6 Grab Rides a day. I saw some rental shops in the area with a monthly rate of 1,300.000 IDR, including a helmet. Seems like a good deal and I will be getting an International Driver's Permit from AAA in the US (cost $20 US). Note I'm not too worried about the cost of grab rides. I have budget for that. I'm thinking a scooter will be valuable in getting around shitty traffic.
Any thoughts on this?
I am aware of the "scooter scams" from less than reputable renters that claim damage to the bike upon return. I think I know how to mitigate this; find a reputable dealer, take full video of the bike with the rental agent on camera before signing the contract, and ensure secure overnight parking (staying at Movenpick Hotel).
But any suggestion on this will be appreciated:Bad Bad idea. Lots of risk with little to no upside. Crazy traffic, construction and roadworks everywhere. If you get into an accident you are at a huge disadvantage as a foreigner. Grab is cheap. If you stay at Movenpick a grab to Classic is only like 2 bucks or you can walk. Max I have paid to go to SCBD is maybe 100 K ($6) and you may not do that most days. You will save peanuts (if anything at all) and take on a lot of risks. Clearly not worth it in my opinion. Plus this is your first time in the city you don't even know your way around. Looking at your phone and riding is a sure recipe for disaster. Grabs are very easy to get and cheap.
BenderOver
01-02-25, 08:24
If you want to be that specific than it is 350,000 until 8:00 pm and then it is 400,000.
Not sure but.
Royal VIP across from MEGA I believe is 450,000.
Before Mega are 2 small bars across from each other that are 350,000 or 400,000 depending on your negotiation skills or if they need business. I went to one and got the 350,000 price around 5:00 pm but it could be an early price, a slow day price, or when they asked 400 I said 350. But can not remember. I do remember though that bar had the worst rooms in the Kota Indah complex. That was months ago.That doesn't sound right. MEGA AYU is on the otherside of the horseshoe from Starmoon. If I remember right, there's nothing else in that short alley on that side. MEGA's girls are 750 k+ and I didn't notice a visible difference. I didn't partake to know if there was a difference in service level.
I think it's a bad idea. I've ridden bikes and driven cars all over Thailand, where traffic was, and somewhat still is, similar to Indonesia, but even if you're an experienced rider (are you?) it will take some weeks to get used to the very different style of driving and traffic patterns that you will find here, compared to the west. Until then you will be confusing all the locals with your crazy western driving, greatly increasing the risk of an accident, even if you are the one "driving by the rules".
I'm not sure about about Indonesia, but I'll assume it will be somewhat similar to Thailand also in that you as a tourist will by default be the party at fault, which could lead to all sorts of nightmares when someone and their two kids crashes into you.
Back then there was no grab or uber, so I was kind of forced to get a bike eventually, or things would just take too damn long, and become too expensive for me also. Today, for just a months stay, I'd be using Grab, or the presumably somewhat cheaper local alternative (gojek?) all day. Grab-bikes in Thailand, as of rather recently, now mostly seem to carry with them an extra helmet (with all the quality of an old plastic bucket), so I no longer bother to bring my own for each ride, but not sure about Indonesia.I almost rented a scooter but have never driven one before. An Indonesian friend took me to his friends scooter rental. They both talked it over and decided that the risk of me getting in an accident and getting hit up for a major bribe by the police was just not worth it. Given what we have all read recently about the massive bribe taking scandal at the EDM concert I think this concern is legit.
LoveItHere69
01-02-25, 18:28
That doesn't sound right. MEGA AYU is on the otherside of the horseshoe from Starmoon. If I remember right, there's nothing else in that short alley on that side. MEGA's girls are 750 k+ and I didn't notice a visible difference. I didn't partake to know if there was a difference in service level.Astro Bar is before Royal VIP. Royal VIP is the expensive one but not sure the price because the other bars keep me busy enough for cheaper. Happy is before Mega. Mega is 400,000. I have taken 6 girls from there last month and 15 this year. As always I am right. Google maps is your friend. Just keep maximizing the map and see for yourself.
SeaTraveler
01-02-25, 21:21
Mixed emotions on this.
Being from the USA, I like the freedom to go when and where I want. But this is Jakarta.
CAVEATS:
1. I am an experienced motorcycle driver in USA - 750cc.
2. Worked and drove car and scooter in Cilacap Indonesia all of 2014.
Rented a scooter in Lombok July 2023 on Honeymoon. NO problem driving. Not much traffic in Lombok.
Bought a new Honda Vario 125 in December 2023 while visiting my new wife in Jakarta.
Crazy traffic so we waited until Christmas for me to acclimate driving in Jakarta.
Started "driving" Dec 26. Not too bad. She warned me that traffic would increase on Jan 8. WOW. Was she right.
I took her to work at 5:30 every morning (15 minutes). Drove to gym then back home by 8:30.
Picked her up at work at 3 pm. Much heavier traffic (now 25 minutes).
Drove until March 1 with no accidents.
The roadways in Jakarta are a clusterfuck. The bigger issue is navigation. No problem driving my daily route every day. I never went anywhere new without her on board to help navigate. Getting lost or in a bad place are likely. Despite having a phone in holder and Google Maps.
ONLY YOU CAN EVALUATE RISK VS REWARD.
I'm scheduled to be there for the full month of April, 2025. Thinking of renting a scooter for the month rather than paying for 4-6 Grab Rides a day. I saw some rental shops in the area with a monthly rate of 1,300.000 IDR, including a helmet. Seems like a good deal and I will be getting an International Driver's Permit from AAA in the US (cost $20 US). Note I'm not too worried about the cost of grab rides. I have budget for that. I'm thinking a scooter will be valuable in getting around shitty traffic.
Any thoughts on this?
I am aware of the "scooter scams" from less than reputable renters that claim damage to the bike upon return. I think I know how to mitigate this; find a reputable dealer, take full video of the bike with the rental agent on camera before signing the contract, and ensure secure overnight parking (staying at Movenpick Hotel).
But any suggestion on this will be appreciated:
Good idea or bad?
Tips to ensure all goes well?
Things to avoid?
Better off with Grab?
BTW: I am not a long-distance walker (even moderate-distance). I have bad knees and can't easily walk more than a few blocks with ease.
Finally, if you have a recommendation for a preferred vendor, please share.
Thanks!
Offshore Swell
01-03-25, 02:32
Mixed emotions on this.
Being from the USA, I like the freedom to go when and where I want. But this is Jakarta.
CAVEATS:
1. I am an experienced motorcycle driver in USA - 750cc.
2. Worked and drove car and scooter in Cilacap Indonesia all of 2014.
Rented a scooter in Lombok July 2023 on Honeymoon. NO problem driving. Not much traffic in Lombok.
Bought a new Honda Vario 125 in December 2023 while visiting my new wife in Jakarta.
Crazy traffic so we waited until Christmas for me to acclimate driving in Jakarta.
Started "driving" Dec 26. Not too bad. She warned me that traffic would increase on Jan 8. WOW. Was she right.
I took her to work at 5:30 every morning (15 minutes). Drove to gym then back home by 8:30.
Picked her up at work at 3 pm. Much heavier traffic (now 25 minutes).
Drove until March 1 with no accidents.
The roadways in Jakarta are a clusterfuck. The bigger issue is navigation. No problem driving my daily route every day. I never went anywhere new without her on board to help navigate. Getting lost or in a bad place are likely. Despite having a phone in holder and Google Maps.
ONLY YOU CAN EVALUATE RISK VS REWARD.Yup, If you are one of those timid little chaps who likes to push the button and stop the cars to cross the road, then Jakarta is not for you. If you can tolerate risk then a motor cycle is the only way to get around Jakarta. As a 30,000 km high speed veteran of Jakarta roads on 800 CC of pure Ducati enjoyment, It is the best way. Why, OS can even play grab feel with himself.
Your biggest hassle using a motorcycle is actually having to park it, invariably you end up in the basement everywhere you go so welcome to underground Jakarta. Once moving through the traffic it is relatively easy to get in a meditative zone where you are accepting all the information but only acting on what is necessary.
Finally, half the secret of going fast, is stopping fast. If you T bone somebody. Grab the keys from your bike ASAP so nobody else does, start handing out 100,000 rp notes and then get the F out of there.
Hope that helps.
ThreeInches
01-03-25, 07:30
Stayin in a monger venue? Pros / Cons?
I will preface this by saying I usually stay at sparks hotel due to never having missed in this area (almost always a great time) I keep going back but.
Has anyone actually tried to stay at the Classic hotel, Hotel Travel or Olympic Hotel in Lokasari and in Kelapa Gading a lot of the venues are "Hotel" & spas (D'Heaven Hotel & Spa Kelapa Gading).
Will they not allow outside working girls to come into the hotel?
Is this a lot like shitting where you sleep?
Why do we not just stay in these hotels and why is it not recommended.
Its been a while since I've been to Jakarta but io plan to take a trip verry soon so re-uping my intel on the scene and wanted to know if anyone does stay at these venues or if there is some downside to it.
Just as a secondary question I think its been about 6 years since I've been back maybe 2018 was my last time there has much changed since then, anything of note? Is sparks and Mangga Besar still a good hunting ground seems like it is from the reports I've read I will continue to do some research but its been a while.
TI.
Please share the modus operandi at Mega, Astro and bars nearby in the Kotah Indah area.
While there is a lot of info on emporium, classic and 1001, there is no clear post explaining the MO in these places (and the quality and service of girls). This will help newbies like me a lot.
Thanks in advance.
ThreeInches
01-03-25, 15:21
You would only need to read back this week to find out about Lokasari and clearly you have not done any research and just looking to be spoonfed.Lokasari hoes have always been shady that hasn't changed was like that is 2018 I don't know how that is not doing any research I'm asking if anyone who was there in 2018 has seen any notable changes. Hookers still pull from this shopping area and the street still seems like it has freelancers so what might I have not done any research on? They would ask for exorbitant prices in 2018 but happily take whatever you are willing to pay this hasn't changed.
LoveItHere69
01-03-25, 18:39
BTW: I am not a long-distance walker (even moderate-distance). I have bad knees and can't easily walk more than a few blocks with ease.These guys drive on the sides of the roads going the wrong way. I was looking at one way traffic trying to run across. No reason to look behind me so I did not. The guy could see me but I could not see him and he hit me from behind as I tried crossing. Luckily no damage to me or his bike. He was mad so I ran across the street and took off. I knew others would join him in a story about how I was at fault.
If your knees are that bad I would be afraid to get crippled in even a small slow wreck. Assuming you are not going across town, I would rent a small electric bike where you can go slow on the sides of the road and go fast in the middle when traffic is thinner or slower. Also, with the small electric you can park up close and personal with it thus less walking for you. Those electric bikes that look like mini motorcycles can haul ass.
Does anyone know what King Cross looks like and whether it's worth it?
MrHappyKat
01-04-25, 01:51
I'm thinking a scooter will be valuable in getting around shitty traffic.
Thanks for everyone's feedback. Looks like it's the back seat of a grab or gojek for me.
King Squared
01-04-25, 02:13
I stopped by Classic on New Year's Eve. I had wanted to go to Emporium but David said they were closing earlier for that night and I would not make it there in time. I arrived at Terminal 2 around 9:00 PM. The last time I was here was in 2012 so I took a seat to take it all in.
There was a group of girls in red lingerie dancing on stage. When they finished dancing, a pretty hot tall tattooed girl with a great rack came up to me. I wish I read the more recent reports before I went because the next thing I know a shot girl came by and she started asking for shots. The dancer was grinding her ass into my lap and letting me grab her tits and then she asked for some shots. She told me she gets a cut and that is how she makes money. She asked for 10 shots and I balked at that. She was talking with the shot girl and they went down to 5 shots. I was busy feeling her up so I said fine, go ahead. She drank the shots pretty quickly and I asked if she would go to the rooms. She replied that she would give out her phone number later and would only do BJ. After that she went to go change and said she would come back later. When she came back, she continued to let me feel her up and asked for more shots. She just started taking shots off the tray. I said no more but she kept insisting. I must have been distracted by grabbing tities because the next thing I know I end up buying 5 more shots. She finished these shots in like 15 seconds. At that point, I knew I had to get away from her. She had the audacity to ask for a tip for her and the shot girl.
I went towards the sofas to check out what was available. I selected a nice girl names Karolina. Paid the 365 k to the mamasan and off we went to the room. My only other time here was in 2012 and the experience was horrible. The girl wanted me to use 2 condoms. After that I just went to Top Gun at Blok M (who else remembers that place? Where I had a much better time. It was a pretty standard session this time. When she took off her dress, I could see she had a baby because her breasts were saggy. No real damage on the belly. First, we showered together then on to the bed. BBBJ with the Listerine dabs then she took out a condom. I asked if it was OK for no condom but she insisted so I didn't push it. We did a few positions but I had trouble finishing with the condom on. I laid down to take a rest and she took off the condom and started jerking me off. Next thing I knew she hopped on cowgirl and she started riding me. I wasn't able to last much longer after that and I started tapping her waist to give her a courtesy warning before I would blow. Either she didn't know what I was indicating for or she was just in the moment, she wasn't getting off. I literally had to push her off before I blew my load.
There was no mention of a tip but I gave her 200 k for the good service and she seemed very happy with that.
King Squared
01-04-25, 02:51
Sugar Spa, Kimochi Mabes, Emporium were all closed for New Year's Day, so it was back to Terminal 2. This time I arrived around 7:00 PM. There were much less customers and it looked like the girls that were available were better looking. Maybe it is better to go earlier?
When you first enter, a mamasan always comes up to you but I like to go get a drink first. They will leave me alone after this but my problem is that when I am ready and I see a girl I am interested in, I am not sure which mamasan to go to or I have to go find the mamasan for that group. How do other guys handle this?
I selected a nice girl Rahma this time. She was in a black low-cut dress with spaghetti straps. I could tell she would have a nice rack and that's what did it for me. When we got to the room and showered. While we were on the bed, she asked me if I wanted to use a condom. I said no condom and she said she wanted a tip. I offered 200 k and she countered with 500 k. I countered with 300 k and she countered that with 400 k. I agreed to that to just get on with it. I know I probably paid too much but it's hard to bargain when you're both naked and I have a raging hard on.
The service was pretty standard, nothing special to note. I left satisfied. Compared to the girl from yesterday this girl was more attractive but less affectionate.
They will leave me alone after this but my problem is that when I am ready and I see a girl I am interested in, I am not sure which mamasan to go to or I have to go find the mamasan for that group. How do other guys handle this?
How about going up to the girl and asking her.
I asked ChatGPT which ATMs were best for foreigners in Jakarta.
According to ChatGPT, BNI, Bank Mandiri and BRI have transaction limits as high as 5 million. In this thread we have usually been complaining ATMs will give you no more than half that sum. Has anyone here here been lucky enough to get 5 million from these ATMs?
I stress more about money logistics these days than anything else as payment means often turn out the limiting factor, especially since getting replacement for credits cards is not as straightforward in my case as it is for some mongers who live in the same country as their issuing bank.
Gaijin Gigolo
01-04-25, 07:35
When you first enter, a mamasan always comes up to you but I like to go get a drink first. They will leave me alone after this but my problem is that when I am ready and I see a girl I am interested in, I am not sure which mamasan to go to or I have to go find the mamasan for that group. How do other guys handle this?Just ask the girl. What are you afraid of?
I asked ChatGPT which ATMs were best for foreigners in Jakarta.
According to ChatGPT, BNI, Bank Mandiri and BRI have transaction limits as high as 5 million. In this thread we have usually been complaining ATMs will give you no more than half that sum. Has anyone here here been lucky enough to get 5 million from these ATMs?
I stress more about money logistics these days than anything else as payment means often turn out the limiting factor, especially since getting replacement for credits cards is not as straightforward in my case as it is for some mongers who live in the same country as their issuing bank.Most ATMs I used while there had a limit of 1.2 million IDR in 100 k bills or 1.25 million IDR in 50 k bills. Including BNI, BRI, Link, and the 2 ATMs at classic. There is however no limit to the amount of transactions you can do. So as long as your card issuer doesn't charge any fees you can just do back to back transactions (4 times of the 1.25 million) to get to thrle 5 million you want. That being said 5 million actually would be like a brick of cash especially if it was in 50 k notes. There is no reason to need that much cash all at once unless going to 1001 or emporium but they accept cards from what I understand. Most the time 1 million per day was sufficient during my stay and I would pref6 the blue 50 k notes as opposed to the red 100 k notes because when paying for a 30 k lunch at a cheap local restaurant or the street food tents, they wouldn't always have change for the 100 k note and then you are sitting around waiting for them to go get change, just like using a 100 k note in Colombia.
My advice would be to just take out 1.25 million in 50 k notes and carry that on you for the day and for any large purchases such as 1001, emporium, etc use your debit card or credit card to pay.
Gabacho.
I asked ChatGPT which ATMs were best for foreigners in Jakarta.
According to ChatGPT, BNI, Bank Mandiri and BRI have transaction limits as high as 5 million. In this thread we have usually been complaining ATMs will give you no more than half that sum. Has anyone here here been lucky enough to get 5 million from these ATMs?
I stress more about money logistics these days than anything else as payment means often turn out the limiting factor, especially since getting replacement for credits cards is not as straightforward in my case as it is for some mongers who live in the same country as their issuing bank.I traveled a lot in Jakarta and didn't find a single ATM where the limit was less than 1.5 million. I have two credit cards and withdraw 2.5 million every day. I've also read that if you withdraw twice, your card can be taken. I know Emporium, Club 1001, Classic, Travel all accept card payments. Maybe I'm too scared, but in a country with such strict legislation, paying with cards in such shops is not advisable.
BenderOver
01-04-25, 18:29
I asked ChatGPT which ATMs were best for foreigners in Jakarta.
According to ChatGPT, BNI, Bank Mandiri and BRI have transaction limits as high as 5 million. In this thread we have usually been complaining ATMs will give you no more than half that sum. Has anyone here here been lucky enough to get 5 million from these ATMs?
I stress more about money logistics these days than anything else as payment means often turn out the limiting factor, especially since getting replacement for credits cards is not as straightforward in my case as it is for some mongers who live in the same country as their issuing bank.The high limit ones are HSBC. The others have been low and frankly gotten lower in the last 5 years. That being said, I usually hit the BNI for 2. 5 as it's the highest you can go. As per previous posts, decline the banks conversion because their rate builds in a hefty fee. Use an ATM card that reimburses you ATM fees back. If you need 5 M, draw the funds twice if you haven't hit your accounts day limit.
If you need more cash faster, to convert your crisp mint $100 usd bills at dua sisi in Grand Indo. LG floor. If you convert an amount more than the average tourist, bring your passport.
The high limit ones are HSBC. The others have been low and frankly gotten lower in the last 5 years. That being said, I usually hit the BNI for 2. 5 as it's the highest you can go. As per previous posts, decline the banks conversion because their rate builds in a hefty fee. Use an ATM card that reimburses you ATM fees back. If you need 5 M, draw the funds twice if you haven't hit your accounts day limit.
If you need more cash faster, to convert your crisp mint $100 usd bills at dua sisi in Grand Indo. LG floor. If you convert an amount more than the average tourist, bring your passport.Which BNI had 2.5 m IDR limit?
I specifically remember using a BNI in Pasar Baru and it had 1.25 m IDR limit. I was using Capital One and Fidelity cards.
Gabacho.
I asked ChatGPT which ATMs were best for foreigners in Jakarta.
According to ChatGPT, BNI, Bank Mandiri and BRI have transaction limits as high as 5 million. In this thread we have usually been complaining ATMs will give you no more than half that sum. Has anyone here here been lucky enough to get 5 million from these ATMs?
I stress more about money logistics these days than anything else as payment means often turn out the limiting factor, especially since getting replacement for credits cards is not as straightforward in my case as it is for some mongers who live in the same country as their issuing bank.Not sure which bank it was but there are two ATMs on the left corner as soon as you cross the Immigration and Customs at Jakarta Airport. Those ATMs were able to disperse 2. 5 M for me (not sure what was the limit). I have seen it in few countries where the ATMs don't show a limit and if the amount you try to withdraw is more than what can fit in the ATM's opening, it doesn't open the door but will still debit the money from your account. It will be annoying during travel to handle these situations at a bank in a non english speaking country. So my advice would be to withdraw twice.
Also few ATMs in Asia take the card in and eject it out after the transaction is over. I forgot my card (no forex fee debit card) in one of the ATMs. There is no way of getting it back and they just destroy it later. Thankfully I had another no forex fee backup card. I had to order a replacement card after coming back to my home country. So make sure to take your card after the transaction is done.
LoveItHere69
01-05-25, 00:45
Most ATMs I used while there had a limit of 1.2 million IDR in 100 k bills or 1.25 million IDR in 50 k bills. Including BNI, BRI, Link, and the 2 ATMs at classic..CIMB Niaga. Choose Other and enter 3,000,000. From Classic, walk to train. Just past the train on your right. I do not even answer half the questions or correct half the wrong comments I read. Your welcome.
NigerianPrince
01-05-25, 02:02
For safety reasons, always use an ATM connected to a bank. There's security and if your card gets stuck in the ATM, security can have the ATM opened and return you your card right away.
Many ATMs have a sticker showing either 100 ks or 50 ks notes.
100's ATM will give more money than 50's.
Most 100's have a 20 million limit per day withdrawal when you withdraw multiple times.
King Squared
01-05-25, 03:18
Just ask the girl. What are you afraid of?Nothing. I just didn't see anyone else doing it (foreigners included).
Gaijin Gigolo
01-05-25, 04:53
I asked ChatGPT which ATMs were best for foreigners in Jakarta.
According to ChatGPT, BNI, Bank Mandiri and BRI have transaction limits as high as 5 million. In this thread we have usually been complaining ATMs will give you no more than half that sum. Has anyone here here been lucky enough to get 5 million from these ATMs?
I stress more about money logistics these days than anything else as payment means often turn out the limiting factor, especially since getting replacement for credits cards is not as straightforward in my case as it is for some mongers who live in the same country as their issuing bank.Sorry but have to ask, why would you want to carry around that much cash? I certainly would not. I wouldn't spend that much in Jakarta in an entire week.
Nothing. I just didn't see anyone else doing it (foreigners included).You haven't seen me? I always want to have a beer in peace and watch what's going on. I either go up to the girls myself or stand in front of them for a while and then the mom comes. Usually they all stand at the entrance to fish out the newbies. It's like a line of moms who come one after the other. The disadvantage of this approach is that one or the other cannot be found again because it has a customer.
Stayin in a monger venue? Pros / Cons?
I will preface this by saying I usually stay at sparks hotel due to never having missed in this area (almost always a great time) I keep going back but.
Has anyone actually tried to stay at the Classic hotel, Hotel Travel or Olympic Hotel in Lokasari and in Kelapa Gading a lot of the venues are "Hotel" & spas (D'Heaven Hotel & Spa Kelapa Gading).
Will they not allow outside working girls to come into the hotel?
Is this a lot like shitting where you sleep?
Why do we not just stay in these hotels and why is it not recommended.
Its been a while since I've been to Jakarta but io plan to take a trip verry soon so re-uping my intel on the scene and wanted to know if anyone does stay at these venues or if there is some downside to it.
Just as a secondary question I think its been about 6 years since I've been back maybe 2018 was my last time there has much changed since then, anything of note? Is sparks and Mangga Besar still a good hunting ground seems like it is from the reports I've read I will continue to do some research but its been a while.
TI.There have been a least a few posts about people staying at classic in the last 2-3 months.
For safety reasons, always use an ATM connected to a bank. There's security and if your card gets stuck in the ATM, security can have the ATM opened and return you your card right away.
Many ATMs have a sticker showing either 100 ks or 50 ks notes.
100's ATM will give more money than 50's.
Most 100's have a 20 million limit per day withdrawal when you withdraw multiple times.I think bank staff are instructed to return a swallowed card only if you can identify yourself as the owner of the card. You would need to carry at least your passport (and own a card with your name on it). Otherwise anyone could show up alleging they just lost a card in the machine. In many countries bank staff never return a card even if they witness the whole thing, never mind if you show your passport
Here some short notes about my first day in Jakarta.
I arrived in the middle of the night, which made transport to my hotel quite easy. I changed some money at the airport. It turned out that the rate I got there (16600 for the Euro) was the same I got in the city. On my next trip I might take advantage of this and change more. Saving me a trip to the money exchange.
Classic, terminal 2.
The next day at 5 pm my first trip was to Classic, terminal 2. Met 2 bules, one of them has been living in Jakarta for more than 4 years. They showed me around and gave some helpful tips. Helped me manage the pushy mamasans. Thank you guys.
I didn't count the girls. Might have been 100. The quality was slightly better than Soi 6. I didn't like it when the mamasans would call the girls to our table, because it was too dark in this part of the room. I liked it much more just to walk around and see the girl sitting on the Illuminated benches around the walls. Walking around I found this little spinner smiling at me. 19 why / o, beautiful face, hard body and some nice A cups. She was smiling and nice to be around. So off to the room.
The room was a bit run down. The door of the shower would not close, and the mattress was way too soft. Instead of changing the bed linen, the girl just put a towel on the place where we would fuck. I guess you get what you pay for.
The girl asked me if I wanted to use a condom. When I said no, she just put it away. There was no discussion about a tip.
Sadly, her performance in bed was disappointing. Everything felt really rushed. She only wanted to suck dick for a short period of time, didn't have stamina for cow girl and said that she didn't like doggy. After maybe 10 minutes of fucking she already asked me to come. Usually, this would have bothered me. But a few variations of mish were actually fun, and I enjoyed barebacking this sexy 19 why / o. This is what I came prepared for. I got my HIV PreP medication from Pulse clinic in Pattaya and I was putting it to good use.
After we finished I tipped her 200 k. In a smiling and friendly manner she asked if she could get 100 k more, which I denied. I was a bit worried that she was unhappy with the tip. But later my new pals told me that I could relax. No matter what tip you give, most girls ask for a 100 k more. And when I told them about my experience, they said that you have a 50% chance of getting good service from the girls at Classic. If the service is bad, just remember how cheap it is and just move on to the next one.
Kotah Inda.
Later, around 8 pm we checked some bars in Kotah Inda. If I remember correctly Sari Ayu, Mega Ayu and Royal. I didn't like the setup. Very loud music, lots of smoke, the girls were difficult to see. The strangest thing was the behaviour of the girls. Even when a mamasan called them for a line up, the girls would look at us. Of the 20 girls that were presented to us, only 1 or 2 showed the slightest interest in being picked. My pal told me that he usually comes way earlier, in the afternoon, and the experience is better. I might try that one day.
CJ.
Got there around 11 pm. A very nice night club / bar. When I got there, there were maybe 15 single girls. I talked to a few of them. It was refreshing to have some good conversations in English. Most of them spoke really well. But I didn't like any enough to take her home with me. I didn't even ask about prices. My biggest problem was the temperature. It was freezing. Felt like 14 see, with a chilling wind. At 1 am there were more girls coming. But at that point I felt like I was getting a cold and I went home. If I come back, I will wear a sweater on top of a long sleeved shirt.
BenderOver
01-05-25, 08:35
Which BNI had 2.5 m IDR limit?
I specifically remember using a BNI in Pasar Baru and it had 1.25 m IDR limit. I was using Capital One and Fidelity cards.
Gabacho.Grand Indo above Leko. It's the area where there are like 5 storefronts all filled with different bank ATM's. And I've had my card swallowed there, asked the girls hey can you help me get that back. The look on their faces. Nobody there has authorization to open any of those ATM's up. Don't even begin to think that any security guard has the keys to the ATM. Nobody does.
BenderOver
01-05-25, 08:39
Astro Bar is before Royal VIP. Royal VIP is the expensive one but not sure the price because the other bars keep me busy enough for cheaper. Happy is before Mega. Mega is 400,000. I have taken 6 girls from there last month and 15 this year. As always I am right. Google maps is your friend. Just keep maximizing the map and see for yourself.What the heck does Astro and Happy and Royal look like inside and outside? I've never heard of it before, nor seen it! Yeah, I mostly cluster around Starmoon, Sari Ayu, LA Grand, MTR, etc. But I'm failing to find Astro and Happy and Royal so forgive me if I don't see how as always you're right? Has anyone had eyes on these places?
Nothing. I just didn't see anyone else doing it (foreigners included).I my reports of classic in Nov and Dec I specifically reported times where I walked directly up to the sofas and picked a girl and then asked her for her mami. It works quite simple actually. In T5 it's basically always done like that but they all have the same mami in there but in T2 it works too you just have to wait for the right mami that belongs to the girl you pick, then you pay the 365 k and it's off to the room.
-Gabacho.
Sorry but have to ask, why would you want to carry around that much cash? I certainly would not. I wouldn't spend that much in Jakarta in an entire week.Two trips to Emporivum and most of that 5 M will be gone. But I would not carry that much cash around either. I did it on my first trip, before I knew both Emporivum and Classic take credit cards without problems (at Emporivum can pay via NFC on the phone too, but at Classic not). Now I just carry enough for a tip at Classic (I tip via the credit card at Emporivum) and food at smaller places, and also bring a few extra cards for backup.
Safest is pay via NFC on the phone, if possible.
Two trips to Emporivum and most of that 5 M will be gone. But I would not carry that much cash around either. I did it on my first trip, before I knew both Emporivum and Classic take credit cards without problems (at Emporivum can pay via NFC on the phone too, but at Classic not). Now I just carry enough for a tip at Classic (I tip via the credit card at Emporivum) and food at smaller places, and also bring a few extra cards for backup.
Safest is pay via NFC on the phone, if possible.Is NFC (through Google Pay I presume) safer than tap-to-pay with the credit card? By the way, is Google Pay the same as Google Wallet? I don't see any "Google Pay" app in Google Play any more. I find only "Google Wallet". Confused. Even my bank mixes the two apps in its FAQs. Can of worms. I think I'll stay with "tap-to-pay" my credit card if possible.
ThreeInches
01-05-25, 15:36
There have been a least a few posts about people staying at classic in the last 2-3 months.I used the search looked through a few 100 posts but nothing about pros and cons about the classic hotel specifically like a normal hotel review and nothing on if they allow outside guests and why guys prefer to say at non mongering venue hotel and travel to this hotel if they travel to this hotel everyday anyways, there has to be some reason why they don't just stay at classic hotel and choose to travel to the hotel daily absorbing travel costs that would negate any savings. One reason might be that they don't want a mongering venue on record but if this is not an issue would they just stay at classic hotel. Hard to have any plausible deniability if you stay at classic hotel as well as the other venues I mentioned in the original post this much I understand is there any other reason why not to?
Will do, man. I'll be staying at Classic first probably 3 days or so then moving into a cheaper hotel or Airbnb. I'm not much for DFK I'm just into BBBJ and BBFS and sometimes DATY but only if they are clean shaven like the Venezolanas and Colombianas I see in Colombia.Haven't found the follow up about classic to this one.
I RTFF.
Planning a trip next month, Have been researching hotels, I see most actions are in classic hotel but there is not much suggestions to stay there. Cost per night is around 24 USD.
2nd option middle of Classic and Emporium is Luminor hotel / Redtop which is around 70 USD but didn't get good reviews from the forum.
This person says they RTFF and didn't see recommendations to stay at classic hotel as well.
No I stayed at Classic Hotel couple months ago no need to change to Grab. Take the airport train to Manggarai, then change to Red line, ride 4 stops to Sawah Besar and its 8 minutes walk. And I did this route carrying my wheeled luggage.No details about the hotel.
There are many reviews of the terminals and nightlife but the hotel it self if you can find a review please share it as I've tried to find it.
Is NFC (through Google Pay I presume) safer than tap-to-pay with the credit card? By the way, is Google Pay the same as Google Wallet? I don't see any "Google Pay" app in Google Play any more. I find only "Google Wallet". Confused. Even my bank mixes the two apps in its FAQs. Can of worms. I think I'll stay with "tap-to-pay" my credit card if possible.Yes, NFC via phone (i.e., tap-to-pay via phone) is safer than NFC via physical card. AFAIK Google wallet is the new name for Google pay.
Yes, NFC via phone (i.e., tap-to-pay via phone) is safer than NFC via physical card. AFAIK Google wallet is the new name for Google pay.Thanks a lot. I'm screwed though, as it seems Indonesia is the odd man out for Google Pay. This is dumb and a major flaw of the NFC wallets. Fancy a credit card you can only use in certain countries.
P.S. I'm still in doubt though, for ChatGPT tells me I should be able to do "NFC payments" in Indonesia with my already installed Google Wallet with its registered foreign visa debit card. Go figure. Maybe the non-availability of Google Wallet in Indonesia only means the Google Wallet app is not available on the Indonesian Google Play store.
Do they accept Bitcoin?
Thanks a lot. I'm screwed though, as it seems Indonesia is the odd man out for Google Pay. This is dumb and a major flaw of the NFC wallets. Fancy a credit card you can only use in certain countries.
P.S. I'm still in doubt though, for ChatGPT tells me I should be able to do "NFC payments" in Indonesia with my already installed Google Wallet with its registered foreign visa debit card. Go figure. Maybe the non-availability of Google Wallet in Indonesia only means the Google Wallet app is not available on the Indonesian Google Play store.
I used the search looked through a few 100 posts but nothing about pros and cons about the classic hotel specifically like a normal hotel review and nothing on if they allow outside guests and why guys prefer to say at non mongering venue hotel and travel to this hotel if they travel to this hotel everyday anyways, there has to be some reason why they don't just stay at classic hotel and choose to travel to the hotel daily absorbing travel costs that would negate any savings. One reason might be that they don't want a mongering venue on record but if this is not an issue would they just stay at classic hotel. Hard to have any plausible deniability if you stay at classic hotel as well as the other venues I mentioned in the original post this much I understand is there any other reason why not to?
Haven't found the follow up about classic to this one.
This person says they RTFF and didn't see recommendations to stay at classic hotel as well.
No details about the hotel.
There are many reviews of the terminals and nightlife but the hotel it self if you can find a review please share it as I've tried to find it.Have you also looked through the Jakarta Hotels thread? I stated a few times Classic is fine, though some like to spend more for a better hotel. For 450-500 k it's fine but you can also book others for 350-450 k which are newer but obviously not so convenient.
What I'the also add, not often mentioned:
- Nasi Goreng Bistik right opposite, top rated in Jakarta.
- q easy to get to airport.
- room is kinda old but pretty well kept.
- service was fine.
- I didn't have bfast but saw plenty of guests who did have it.
What else did you want to know? Because it's a 3-star hotel, don't expect it to have a ton of other facilities.
So my Christmas and new year Jakarta trip is over with not much to report. Visited blok m a few times but it's hit and miss. On Friday's it rocking with a lot of personnel but not so on Saturday.
However there are lots of SW around the area at all the back and front of Jl falethan. Some were not interesting but there were a few lookers early. When I passed by late most were gone.
There is one that sits on a motorcycle real looker but seriously bad attitude I have seen her around for years. In my bar the asking rate by some is over 1 M which I find a bit over priced for the quality but there were a few 8/9 on Friday but they were occupied very quickly. I did try massage from different places but the room condition were a bit off. Not a turn on atmosphere.
For safety reasons, always use an ATM connected to a bank. There's security and if your card gets stuck in the ATM, security can have the ATM opened and return you your card right away.
Many ATMs have a sticker showing either 100 ks or 50 ks notes.
100's ATM will give more money than 50's.
Most 100's have a 20 million limit per day withdrawal when you withdraw multiple times.The security personnel don't have access to the keys. ATMs are typically managed by third party agents responsible for loading and unloading the cash. If security staff had the keys, it would make it much easier for robbers to knock him down and steal the money.
I once forgot my card in an ATM attached to a large bank. When I asked the security guard, he said there was nothing he could do. The next day, during bank hours, I went to the branch and was informed that all ATM cards left behind / struck inside the machine are sent to the bank's head office, where they are later destroyed. This process is handled by a third-party service, not the branch itself. Unfortunately, they never return the cards. The only option is to apply for a replacement.
Dear All,
I will be I will be in Jakarta this weekend, and will share all my experiences as and how I come across them, have been following this forum for past 6 months, and most of the reports (80-90%) are about Classic, it almost feels like I will be visiting Classic and not Jakarta LOL.
Just wondering if there are any locations or setups for casual interactions (like not bang-bang) but some foreplay (DFK, casual touches, etc only), this is mainly to kill some time between the sessions or like a recharge / warm-up for the next session. I have read about Kotah-Indah bars but from what I have understood so far they are also about taking the girl to the room for a bang. Haven't read a lot about Blok M and if they provide such entertainment, Malio from what I have understood is a strip club with option to take girl to room (this is more in line with what I am looking for), however I understand that girls over here will try to rip you off with the shots scam (I will give it a try to see for myself). It will be helpful if anybody could shed some light on these setups and whether they or something similar is available in Jakarta.
Thanks a lot. I'm screwed though, as it seems Indonesia is the odd man out for Google Pay. This is dumb and a major flaw of the NFC wallets. Fancy a credit card you can only use in certain countries.
P.S. I'm still in doubt though, for ChatGPT tells me I should be able to do "NFC payments" in Indonesia with my already installed Google Wallet with its registered foreign visa debit card. Go figure. Maybe the non-availability of Google Wallet in Indonesia only means the Google Wallet app is not available on the Indonesian Google Play store.NFC works for paying in Indonesia indeed, if the terminal supports it. I just checked my google wallet and see I paid at several different places via tap-to-pay on my phone. I'm guessing what you quote above means is that cards issued by indonesian banks cannot yet be linked up to google pay (the google pay app functionality is what was merged into google wallet I think, not the Google pay system itself), but does not affect non-indo cards.
The security personnel don't have access to the keys. ATMs are typically managed by third party agents responsible for loading and unloading the cash. If security staff had the keys, it would make it much easier for robbers to knock him down and steal the money.
I once forgot my card in an ATM attached to a large bank. When I asked the security guard, he said there was nothing he could do. The next day, during bank hours, I went to the branch and was informed that all ATM cards left behind / struck inside the machine are sent to the bank's head office, where they are later destroyed. This process is handled by a third-party service, not the branch itself. Unfortunately, they never return the cards. The only option is to apply for a replacement.This will vary from place to place I suspect. There are plenty of reports of people getting their lost card back after showing the passport e.g. In Thailand, so I think the advice of using an ATM inside / outside a bank office is good and I also prefer that. Of course, if you're actively thinking about that being the reason for using a particular ATM, you're also less likely to forget the card there.
Maybe you will not get your card back, but maybe you will, and the chances you will get it back are much better than if using some random isolated ATM.
MrHappyKat
01-06-25, 06:58
Yes, NFC via phone (i.e., tap-to-pay via phone) is safer than NFC via physical card. AFAIK Google wallet is the new name for Google pay.This tech has been out for several years but has yet to become popular in the US. It has better traction in the UK, EU, and APAC.
It's considered safer than tap-and-pay because your card number is not transmitted to the merchant's POS device. The NFC chip on your phone sends a "token" (digital code) instead which is then sent to the payment processor, where it is mapped back to your card at your bank for the authorization.
ApplePay works in a similar manner, but is not very popular yet outside the US.
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
MrHappyKat
01-06-25, 07:04
The security personnel don't have access to the keys. ATMs are typically managed by third party agents responsible for loading and unloading the cash. If security staff had the keys, it would make it much easier for robbers to knock him down and steal the money.
I once forgot my card in an ATM attached to a large bank. When I asked the security guard, he said there was nothing he could do. The next day, during bank hours, I went to the branch and was informed that all ATM cards left behind / struck inside the machine are sent to the bank's head office, where they are later destroyed. This process is handled by a third-party service, not the branch itself. Unfortunately, they never return the cards. The only option is to apply for a replacement.When I use an ATM, I put my wallet in my left hand after pulling the card out. I don't put it back in my pocket unless I can see the card replaced in it's slot.
I used the search looked through a few 100 posts but nothing about pros and cons about the classic hotel specifically like a normal hotel review and nothing on if they allow outside guests and why guys prefer to say at non mongering venue hotel and travel to this hotel if they travel to this hotel everyday anyways, there has to be some reason why they don't just stay at classic hotel and choose to travel to the hotel daily absorbing travel costs that would negate any savings. One reason might be that they don't want a mongering venue on record but if this is not an issue would they just stay at classic hotel. Hard to have any plausible deniability if you stay at classic hotel as well as the other venues I mentioned in the original post this much I understand is there any other reason why not to?
Haven't found the follow up about classic to this one.
This person says they RTFF and didn't see recommendations to stay at classic hotel as well.
No details about the hotel.
There are many reviews of the terminals and nightlife but the hotel it self if you can find a review please share it as I've tried to find it.Because I changed my plan and stayed at the sparks life hotel on mangga besar for the first few days instead.
My reasoning was that I wanted to bring in outside girls to my room and figured that classic would frown on this since they have their own brothels inside the same place.
I later moved to an Airbnb and walked to classic many times over the course of about 7 weeks and I saw that many people do stay there. Especially in the elevator going to T5 I would see other mongers get out on the 4th floor I think those guys were staying there.
From what I could tell it looks just like an average hotel but It would be convenient to stay there for access to T2 and T5 and has some restaurants attached too and is walking distance to a mall. But if you wanted to bring in civvies or street girls or girls you met from online, then I think Classic would not be good for that.
-Gabacho.
P.S.: I may stay there for first few days during my upcoming may trip but I haven't decided yet.
Dear All,
I will be I will be in Jakarta this weekend, and will share all my experiences as and how I come across them, have been following this forum for past 6 months, and most of the reports (80-90%) are about Classic, it almost feels like I will be visiting Classic and not Jakarta LOL.
Just wondering if there are any locations or setups for casual interactions (like not bang-bang) but some foreplay (DFK, casual touches, etc only), this is mainly to kill some time between the sessions or like a recharge / warm-up for the next session. I have read about Kotah-Indah bars but from what I have understood so far they are also about taking the girl to the room for a bang. Haven't read a lot about Blok M and if they provide such entertainment, Malio from what I have understood is a strip club with option to take girl to room (this is more in line with what I am looking for), however I understand that girls over here will try to rip you off with the shots scam (I will give it a try to see for myself). It will be helpful if anybody could shed some light on these setups and whether they or something similar is available in Jakarta.Yes, it feels like that but it is by no means the only thing. There is also: Travel, Emporium, Club 1001, Starmoon Bar, New Medika, Malio, Kota India. Grand LA, MTR, New Sari Ayu, CJS Bar, BATS Bar, Lokasari.
Yes, it feels like that but it is by no means the only thing. There is also: Travel, Emporium, Club 1001, Starmoon Bar, New Medika, Malio, Kota India. Grand LA, MTR, New Sari Ayu, CJS Bar, BATS Bar, Lokasari.Thanks, did come across these names across posts some more than once (pretty familiar with the Classic, Emporium SOP by now), looking for something where you don't get bound to 1 girl for the entire session (typical bang session), instead just chill out at the venue / couch with multiple girls (one after another) over drinks and tips for their company (with some fun elements included as mentioned in prev. Post).
Day 2 in Jakarta.
Emporium.
Arrived in Emporium at 5 pm and went to the spa. I felt like I was late, because there were 3 or 4 guys before me picking exactly the girls I would have chosen.
When it was my turn there were only about 8 girls available. Luckily one of them looked very nice, for 1,2 juta. And this time I got the service I was looking for.
Nothing rushed, lots of DFK, her enjoying DATY, great BJ, long fucks in many positions, it was great. When I offered 500 k tip for BBFS she declined and I didn't offer more.
But still a very good experience, my best so far.
Classic Terminal 5.
Later I went to Terminal 5 and picked a skinny 18 why / o. She said she liked alcohol and very quickly drank the beer I offered her. That might have been a mistake.
She later acted too drunk for my taste. The session started okay with a decent enough blow job. When negotiating BBFS she drove a hard bargain and I accepted 300 k.
I wish I had not, because the actual fucking was just horrible. In mish she twisted her legs in a very strange way which made it very difficult to fuck her.
And in doggy she arched her body forcefully in the wrong way which was equally annoying. When I stopped because it just didn't work she begged me to come back.
After that it got just a little bit better. I managed to come, but it really wasn't fun at all.
Malio.
If you like beautiful girls with fantastic huge breast, and you have money to burn, this is the place for you. But for me? 4 juta for FS? Hell no. The ladydrinks cost 66 k and don't last long.
Day 3.
I saved my energy for a Tinder date I had dinner with. She was okay looking, but dull and didn't even kiss on the first date. That sucked. Put her in a Grab and went directly to:
Travel.
First I stayed in front of the stage. Some of the dancers are actually very nice. Some great boobs on display. Ladydrinks are 35 k. For 3 of them I kissed and groped.
One of the dancers for a while. It was fun. She first asked for 2,4 juta for FS. When I didn't accept, she lowered the price to 2,1. I still wasn't interested.
But I got her number and she would have come to my hotel the next day for 1,5 juta. But no BBFS on offer.
I went to the back part and got a nice looking 20 why / o. Very bad choice. She wouldn't kiss. When I said I would cancel the session because of that, she asked for 100 k tip for DFK.
I accepted because I'm stupid. By now I should have learned that it never makes sense to pay a hooker for DFK. If she doesn't do it for free it always sucks.
Like in this case. Anyway, this wasn't the biggest problem. First I got the worst and weirdest BJ of my live. After every 10 seconds of sucking, she would stop and wipe the tip of my dick with a tissue. WTF? I tried to stop the session. She got worried and dropped the tissue. But she still stopped every 10 seconds to look at my dick. What was that about? Was she checking if I had come??
Than I tried to fuck her. The tissues returned. After every change of position, she wiped my dick with a tissue and than put new lubricant on it. WTF was this for? I still managed to fuck her for about 10 minutes, but at the end it was so weird and annoying that I stopped. She saw that the condom was empty and got a bit worried. But I told her it was okay.
Anyway. This might have been one of my worst P4 P experiences in my life. I hope it gets better from now on. To save my day I went back to:
Classic terminal 2.
Got a nice 21 why / o hard body. Great DFK, one of the best blow jobs I had in a while. We couldn't agree on BBFS. I don't remember how much I offered. It was 300 k at least. I'm not even sure she would have accepted at all. But the session was so good that I tipped 200 k at the end anyway. This girl should teach the other girls how to give a proper blow job!
Day 4.
Emporium.
Got there at 14:15. I think I was the first customer. The place opens at 14:00 and there was nobody else in the pool. There were about 12 or 14 girls to choose from.
Got a girl with fantastic see cups, small waist and a great ass. What a perfect body.
She tried to rush a bit. But I managed to slow her down and got a very good session from her. I offered 500 k for BBFS. She asked for 1000 k and I declined.
I tipped her 300 k. The minimum is 200 k and I wanted to show that I liked her performance.
Actually, the condom that was provided really was too small. I have a normal, medium sized dick. But this Indonesian stuff sucks. I'm happy I brought my own.
Later at 10 pm I went to Classic. I checked all 3 floors but couldn't find anything I liked.
Conclusion.
So far I'm happy with my trip. It's a welcome change from Pattaya. The only thing that is different from my expectations is: so far it seems that I have to choose between good service and BBFS. And I'm spending way more money than expected.
I my reports of classic in Nov and Dec I specifically reported times where I walked directly up to the sofas and picked a girl and then asked her for her mami. It works quite simple actually. In T5 it's basically always done like that but they all have the same mami in there but in T2 it works too you just have to wait for the right mami that belongs to the girl you pick, then you pay the 365 k and it's off to the room.
-Gabacho.Just wondering how this works if you want to pick 2 girls (the 500 k deal)?
Let's assume I want to have one wearing a red dress and another wearing blue. Is the 500 k deal available even though the girls had different mamis?
Just wondering how this works if you want to pick 2 girls (the 500 k deal)?
Let's assume I want to have one wearing a red dress and another wearing blue. Is the 500 k deal available even though the girls had different mamis?I believe the 500 k deal for two girls is available regardless of which mamasan the girls have. Someone correct me if I am wrong (as I have only ever done one girl at a time in classic) but I don't see why it would matter if the two girls you choose have different mamasans.
It has been reported here that it's 2 girls for 500 k and you get 90 minutes in the room instead of 60 mins like you get with just one girl. That's a hell of a deal if you want a three sum but myself personally I like to focus on one girl at a time so I am not particularly into doing three sums.
Gabacho.
Just wondering how this works if you want to pick 2 girls (the 500 k deal)?
Let's assume I want to have one wearing a red dress and another wearing blue. Is the 500 k deal available even though the girls had different mamis?No I've been told several times that doesn't work. Has to be from the same mami.
If is possible, if you really insisted they may even charge you 365 k x2 and not 500 k. That's my theory anyway.
StinkyFeet
01-07-25, 04:16
The security personnel don't have access to the keys. ATMs are typically managed by third party agents responsible for loading and unloading the cash. If security staff had the keys, it would make it much easier for robbers to knock him down and steal the money.
I once forgot my card in an ATM attached to a large bank. When I asked the security guard, he said there was nothing he could do. The next day, during bank hours, I went to the branch and was informed that all ATM cards left behind / struck inside the machine are sent to the bank's head office, where they are later destroyed. This process is handled by a third-party service, not the branch itself. Unfortunately, they never return the cards. The only option is to apply for a replacement.I got my bank card back but it's been marked and no longer useable at any ATM machines in Jakarta that I know of. It's so fukn dumb. I even had to sign paperwork that I would never use this card at one particular bank.
ThreeInches
01-07-25, 04:56
What else did you want to know? Because it's a 3-star hotel, don't expect it to have a ton of other facilities.Thanks for replying I appreciate it.
Do they still make you get the short time rooms or can the girl go up to your room inside classic hotel is it even an option?
I also tried to book on their site and I used several different cards all got the same error about exceeding the MAX fraud. I had to book on Agoda but I could only book the lowest possible room? I wanted to get the suite because this place is not that expensive but its just not an option on agoda. How / Where did you book the hotel?
My reasoning was that I wanted to bring in outside girls to my room and figured that classic would frown on this since they have their own brothels inside the same place.
Thanks for the reply, you echoed a lot of what I was thinking.
True or not true that is what I'm trying to figure out. If they allow outside girls this is not a bad option if they do indeed frown upon it then that is reason enough to find something else.
I've been to Jakarta a few times and want your advice on asking for BBBJ or BBFS since most girls don't speak much English at Classic, Travel or Kota Indah.
On my most recent trip in Sept, I ended up showing them a text on my phone that said "blowjob without condom" translated to Indonesian. Most girls interpreted my text to be "sex without condom" and objected. After some hand gesture, I indicated I only wanted a blowjob without condom but sex with condom is fine.
Just wondering how some of you guys communicate with the girls. Any advice is appreciated.
Just wondering how this works if you want to pick 2 girls (the 500 k deal)?
Let's assume I want to have one wearing a red dress and another wearing blue. Is the 500 k deal available even though the girls had different mamis?No it is not, you only get this offer if you choose 2 women from the same group. If you want two women from 2 different groups you pay 2 x 365,000.
SeanWilkds
01-07-25, 14:45
I've been to Jakarta a few times and want your advice on asking for BBBJ or BBFS since most girls don't speak much English at Classic, Travel or Kota Indah.
On my most recent trip in Sept, I ended up showing them a text on my phone that said "blowjob without condom" translated to Indonesian. Most girls interpreted my text to be "sex without condom" and objected. After some hand gesture, I indicated I only wanted a blowjob without condom but sex with condom is fine.
Just wondering how some of you guys communicate with the girls. Any advice is appreciated.I found that most girls do BBBJ normally without any prompting. The normal routine with a girl that is average and doesn't have much chemistry is to take a shower together where you are cleaned thoroughly, then after the shower she will get you to lay down and ask if you want BJ and she will have her little kit of tissue paper and listerine. Out of being with probably 50-60 girls there I think only 2 did not give BBBJ. In the beginning before committing to the deal I would ask each girl about BBBJ most would say yes, but now I take it for granted and would find it odd if they did not. Many do give lazy BJ so I mostly just concentrate on how attracted I am to the girl, and trying to get an idea of what the chemistry is like. These days I only ask if I am going with the two girl option if they are going to insist on doing the listerine wipe down every time before they swap. Very few seem to allow CIM, or anal, but BBFS, I find is very common. Standard tip seems to be about 100 k, If sex is really good, I am feeling generous or we have nice chemistry I give 150-200. I haven't done BBFS with the two girl option but other users report it is possible with some girls.
No it is not, you only get this offer if you choose 2 women from the same group. If you want two women from 2 different groups you pay 2 x 365,000.Can anyone confirm whether or not this is true?
And how would that work in T5 then where all the mamasans are in charge of all the girls?
Day 2 in Jakarta.
So far I'm happy with my trip. It's a welcome change from Pattaya. The only thing that is different from my expectations is: so far it seems that I have to choose between good service and BBFS. And I'm spending way more money than expected.Good report, just curious as to why the Travel girl quoted you such a high price, I believe Travel prices are similar to Classic with the exception of 200 k entrance fee, was it bcoz she was a dancer girl?
Also it seems that you might have tried too hard for the BBFS aspect, check Gabacho's reports and how much is the avg. Tip for said service. If girl you are with is not upto the offer (shouldn't be more than 100/200 k for fair price and 300 k if you are feeling generous), switch to the next girl, so many reports of girls doing it across places, it is possible that the next girl you choose will probably do it even for 100 k.
I found that most girls do BBBJ normally without any prompting. The normal routine with a girl that is average and doesn't have much chemistry is to take a shower together where you are cleaned thoroughly, then after the shower she will get you to lay down and ask if you want BJ and she will have her little kit of tissue paper and listerine. Out of being with probably 50-60 girls there I think only 2 did not give BBBJ. Curious to know you handled that, Accepted covered BJ? Myself I'd probably be turned off enough to cancel the session, which I guess means I'd be out 365 k unless the girl changed her mind at that point.
I've been to Jakarta a few times and want your advice on asking for BBBJ or BBFS since most girls don't speak much English at Classic, Travel or Kota Indah.
On my most recent trip in Sept, I ended up showing them a text on my phone that said "blowjob without condom" translated to Indonesian. Most girls interpreted my text to be "sex without condom" and objected. After some hand gesture, I indicated I only wanted a blowjob without condom but sex with condom is fine.
Just wondering how some of you guys communicate with the girls. Any advice is appreciated.Unambiguous would be "Bisakah main karaoke tanpa kondom? Untuk ngentot setuju pakai kondom". This translates as "Can we do BJ without condom? It is agreed we fuck with condom".
Good report, just curious as to why the Travel girl quoted you such a high price, I believe Travel prices are similar to Classic with the exception of 200 k entrance fee, was it bcoz she was a dancer girl?Yes, because she was a dancer. The other girl from the back room cost the usual 400 k.
Just curious has anyone tried playing pool in Jakarta? Because I saw some pool bars which look decent & it seems they have in-house ladies that you can play against. I assume they're pretty good but does anyone tried picking them up? If so what was the cost. Any stories to tell. And what's the cost of playing against them in pool? Thanks all.
One such place for example is Elite 8.
I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?
When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room. When I told her to wait, she looked very angrily at me, shouted that it doesn't work like that, that I cannot just hang out with the girls without paying. At that point I had found out that the girl had a baby and I was just about sending her back anyway. So I did that. But again, a totally normal situation (from my point of view) turned awkward because of these mamasans.
What should I do?
Actually, to make matters worse, some of the girls lie. I asked a girl yesterday if she would kiss, she confirmed, but in the room she didn't kiss at all. The entire session was so bad that I couldn't come. After the deed, she didn't ask for a tip and didn't get one.
I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?
When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room..Try the mamasan named Chacha and see if that's any better. After you enter, keep walking straight, and at the end she will be the one managing the girls on your right hand side. Or ask security be the entrance, before entering the room, to find her for you. I think she only starts working at 5 pm, but she's the only one there I find tolerable, though I guess the feeling has to be at least somewhat mutual for it to be a pleasant expericne.
The mamasans up on the fifth floor seemed better than the one at at T2, though I only went up once, so not sure.
5 minutes is stretching things a bit though. If baby or no baby is the deciding criteria for you, it shouldn't take you five minutes to ask that.
Crocodilexp
01-09-25, 21:18
I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?
When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room. When I told her to wait, she looked very angrily at me, shouted that it doesn't work like that, that I cannot just hang out with the girls without paying. At that point I had found out that the girl had a baby and I was just about sending her back anyway. So I did that. But again, a totally normal situation (from my point of view) turned awkward because of these mamasans.
What should I do?
Actually, to make matters worse, some of the girls lie. I asked a girl yesterday if she would kiss, she confirmed, but in the room she didn't kiss at all. The entire session was so bad that I couldn't come. After the deed, she didn't ask for a tip and didn't get one.There's no solution. In Classic (and to a lesser extent, Travel) mamasans are a major nuisance. There's no way around it. Making the customer happy is not their job, it's to push for as many encounters as they can, to get their commissions. I stopped going to Classic / Travel because I can't stand them.
I get a strong sense most of the girls are not at Classic / Travel voluntarily. Yes, they lie and often provide subpar service. Their lives are so horrible I can hardly blame them. I can barely stand those pushy mamasans for a few minutes as a customer, and they're bossed around by them for months or years.
In Indonesia, mafia-type bottom-feeders of society are as you'd expect them to be: brash, rude, impatient, unpleasant. They discarded the veneer of common politeness. It's not like in Thailand where the bar industry is mostly above ground, girls are free to do as they like, and mamasans usually know good vibes matter.
What are some other bars near Blok M in South Jakarta besides Mr. Braid and Mars?
There's no solution. In Classic (and to a lesser extent, Travel) mamasans are a major nuisance. There's no way around it. Making the customer happy is not their job, it's to push for as many encounters as they can, to get their commissions. I stopped going to Classic / Travel because I can't stand them.
I get a strong sense most of the girls are not at Classic / Travel voluntarily. Yes, they lie and often provide subpar service. Their lives are so horrible I can hardly blame them. I can barely stand those pushy mamasans for a few minutes as a customer, and they're bossed around by them for months or years.
In Indonesia, mafia-type bottom-feeders of society are as you'd expect them to be: brash, rude, impatient, unpleasant. They discarded the veneer of common politeness. It's not like in Thailand where the bar industry is mostly above ground, girls are free to do as they like, and mamasans usually know good vibes matter.It is a catch 22 type of situation, and you can see the contrast in real world e. G. Phillipines where the girls do as they please (mamas don't have any control over them) and it has gone to an extent where they don't respect the agreed deal and flee away by doing minimum with the customer, scam the customers, etc. Mama's control over the girls ensures that the girl has someone to answer to if they don't perform well or try other schenanigans, while this may seem socially unjust, it helps the mongering cause (I am just calling it as it is, not promoting the former or latter). The mamas being pushy is a nuisance and that can be improved for sure. In a perfect world Pros'tn would not exist, people won't be poor, politicians and businessmen won't be greedy, and there won't be any suffering by any living soul but alas that ain't the case. It is the balance of certain things that is keeping the world afloat and we just need to move with 'their country their rules' period.
There's no solution. In Classic (and to a lesser extent, Travel) mamasans are a major nuisance. There's no way around it. Making the customer happy is not their job, it's to push for as many encounters as they can, to get their commissions. I stopped going to Classic / Travel because I can't stand them.
I get a strong sense most of the girls are not at Classic / Travel voluntarily. Yes, they lie and often provide subpar service. Their lives are so horrible I can hardly blame them. I can barely stand those pushy mamasans for a few minutes as a customer, and they're bossed around by them for months or years.
In Indonesia, mafia-type bottom-feeders of society are as you'd expect them to be: brash, rude, impatient, unpleasant. They discarded the veneer of common politeness. It's not like in Thailand where the bar industry is mostly above ground, girls are free to do as they like, and mamasans usually know good vibes matter.Another major problem is no escape constant loud music and darkness in the club where you can't talk and you can't see. Three times, I had to run away from both T2 and T5.
Malio and Emporium are expensive choices but you don't have to put up with this nonsense. I am planning to take ear buds next time to Classic. I had good hits few times.
It is a catch 22 type of situation, and you can see the contrast in real world e. G. Phillipines where the girls do as they please (mamas don't have any control over them) and it has gone to an extent where they don't respect the agreed deal and flee away by doing minimum with the customer, scam the customers, etc. Mama's control over the girls ensures that the girl has someone to answer to if they don't perform well or try other schenanigans, while this may seem socially unjust, it helps the mongering cause (I am just calling it as it is, not promoting the former or latter). The mamas being pushy is a nuisance and that can be improved for sure. In a perfect world Pros'tn would not exist, people won't be poor, politicians and businessmen won't be greedy, and there won't be any suffering by any living soul but alas that ain't the case. It is the balance of certain things that is keeping the world afloat and we just need to move with 'their country their rules' period.Another way to tackle mamasan problems is to keep walking and sit in different places frequently. I walk around with a drink in my hand.
I still don't know which is the best way to look for girls in Classic. I tried telling the mamasans what I need: no baby and DFK. Then the mamasan starts calling her girls over to my table, in groups of 2-4. In Classic I find 80-90% of the girls not hot at all. Therefore the chance of me picking none of the girls presented is very high. This shouldn't be a problem. But the mamasan makes it one. After I say "no thanks", instead of just sending the girls back to the sofa, she keeps insisting: "look, no baby, young, beautiful, why don't you take one? She looks angry at me and makes me feel like a freak for not choosing any of the girls she is presenting. It feels like ages till she finally accepts my answer. This happens again and again with other mamasans. WTF?
When I take the other route and ignore the mamasans and keep looking myself, very often the girls I call to my table have babies. I have learned some indonesian, and I can ask them if they have children in bahasa Indonesia. This process takes a few minutes of talking. This too should not be a problem, but 2 days ago a mamasan made it one. She came to my table after I had spoken for about 5 minutes to her girl. Without talking to me first, she started filling in the paper to book a room. When I told her to wait, she looked very angrily at me, shouted that it doesn't work like that, that I cannot just hang out with the girls without paying. At that point I had found out that the girl had a baby and I was just about sending her back anyway. So I did that. But again, a totally normal situation (from my point of view) turned awkward because of these mamasans..If the girl wouldn't comply to what they promised to, just threaten, lack of good word, that you would tell mamasan. They quickly oblige. It worked for me. .
Another major problem is no escape constant loud music and darkness in the club where you can't talk and you can't see. Three times, I had to run away from both T2 and T5.
Malio and Emporium are expensive choices but you don't have to put up with this nonsense. I am planning to take ear buds next time to Classic. I had good hits few times.The Emporium is an alternative, yes, but at 1.7 million it is a very expensive one. I have been to the Emporium and Club 1001 a few times. It was good, but if I imagine some of the girls from Classic or Travel in the same clothes as in the Emporium and the same atmosphere, then they can definitely keep up. Even if I try 3 and have 2 bad ones, it will still be cheaper and last longer than there. I have never had any problems with Mamas. When I come, I say don't bring me a woman, bring me something to drink. She doesn't like it and she still brings women. I wave her off three times and say drink a lot and then she leaves me alone.
I might run out of my HIV PreP medication before I get back to Pattaya. Can I get it here in Jakarta? Any ideas?
Bros we have to make a stand against the pushiness of the staff at Travel, how about if you ask for a menu they will swear down there's no menu & just ask you what beer you want. Then 15 minutes later they suddenly produce the menu.
I'm not saying we should boycott the place but we are the customers, we shouldn't stand for this nonsense. I was going to suggest as well we can collectively swap notes on the MMS such as their name, their group of girls etc.
MrHappyKat
01-11-25, 06:12
Try the mamasan named Chacha and see if that's any better. After you enter, keep walking straight, and at the end she will be the one managing the girls on your right hand side. Or ask security be the entrance, before entering the room, to find her for you. I think she only starts working at 5 pm, but she's the only one there I find tolerable, though I guess the feeling has to be at least somewhat mutual for it to be a pleasant expericne.
The mamasans up on the fifth floor seemed better than the one at at T2, though I only went up once, so not sure.
5 minutes is stretching things a bit though. If baby or no baby is the deciding criteria for you, it shouldn't take you five minutes to ask that.Could you perhaps tip the mamason upon entering, say 100 k, and tell her you are rather picky about choosing a girl and will be taking your time to make a selection? Or is that just pissing away $6 bucks?
Could you perhaps tip the mamason upon entering, say 100 k, and tell her you are rather picky about choosing a girl and will be taking your time to make a selection? Or is that just pissing away $6 bucks?Please don't even start with this, it will become second nature.
Bros we have to make a stand against the pushiness of the staff at Travel, how about if you ask for a menu they will swear down there's no menu & just ask you what beer you want. Then 15 minutes later they suddenly produce the menu.
I'm not saying we should boycott the place but we are the customers, we shouldn't stand for this nonsense. I was going to suggest as well we can collectively swap notes on the MMS such as their name, their group of girls etc.You should look around the club again first. The club was made for the local audience. We foreigners are just spectators and whether we come or not the business continues. Look at Japan as it can be with foreigners in such clubs. We should be grateful that we can take part in this.
NoGermaphobe
01-11-25, 17:07
Please don't even start with this, it will become second nature.This was exactly my thought with 20-25 mamasans lining up for their tip. LOL.
Perhaps people should learn to be more firm in how to manage the mamasans if they are not ready to make a selection.
Or learn a few lines of Indonesia.
Nanti. Tidak mau cewek sekarang. Aku mau minum.
Later. I don't want a lady now. I want to drink.
People have been complaining about the mamasans for 20-25 years on this forum. You are not going to change it. You need to learn how to manage it. It's not terribly difficult.
Medellin65
01-11-25, 17:14
Wandering around the web I found this hotel "GiiA Maluku Hotel". The price seems good as well as the location. 98% of the reviews are positive. Does anyone know it and can give info? For example if it was a problem to bring the girls to the room. Thank's in advance for sugests.
This was exactly my thought with 20-25 mamasans lining up for their tip. LOL.
Perhaps people should learn to be more firm in how to manage the mamasans if they are not ready to make a selection.
Or learn a few lines of Indonesia.
Nanti. Tidak mau cewek sekarang. Aku mau minum.
Later. I don't want a lady now. I want to drink.
People have been complaining about the mamasans for 20-25 years on this forum. You are not going to change it. You need to learn how to manage it. It's not terribly difficult.Exactly. I would just tell them tidak mau and get up and go look for my own girl then once I find one I like just ask her where is her mami "dimana mami?
Is it really that hard?
Now we have simps wanting to hand out free money to the shitty mamasans LOL.
Could you perhaps tip the mamason upon entering, say 100 k, and tell her you are rather picky about choosing a girl and will be taking your time to make a selection? Or is that just pissing away $6 bucks?No you shouldn't do that at all. When they come up to you, just say "No" or "Later", even they bring the girls to your table. After few No, they will stop bothering you.
Later if you like a girl, just let her know and let her bring the mamasan to you. So the mamasan can write down your number.
No tips for mamasan, no tips for security guy, no mandatory tips for the girls unless they are good in the room. 50 k tip is very appreciated for the girls in c/ t / ki.
Could you perhaps tip the mamason upon entering, say 100 k, and tell her you are rather picky about choosing a girl and will be taking your time to make a selection? Or is that just pissing away $6 bucks?You can tip me and I will guard you, shooing away any mama until you're ready.
I've been coming to Jakarta since it reopened after covid so I'm not a total newbie anymore but I've noticed girls have been pushing for more tips as of late, esp for BBFS. Just a year ago, classic girls seemed to be happy with 200 tip but now it seems 500 is the going rate. Same at empo, seemed BBFS was available for 3 to 500, now girls are expecting 1 million (Seems like it's the beginning of the end for Jakarta.
But the silver lining is it seems like stis are also on the rise as of late, especially the clap. So I guess these higher rates are a blessing in disguise. It was only a matter of time before it happened anyways, look how many BBFS reports there are on here and classic girls see at least 4 to 8 guys per night, 5 to 6 nights a week.
I've been coming to Jakarta since it reopened after covid so I'm not a total newbie anymore but I've noticed girls have been pushing for more tips as of late, esp for BBFS. Just a year ago, classic girls seemed to be happy with 200 tip but now it seems 500 is the going rate. Same at empo, seemed BBFS was available for 3 to 500, now girls are expecting 1 million (Seems like it's the beginning of the end for Jakarta.
But the silver lining is it seems like stis are also on the rise as of late, especially the clap. So I guess these higher rates are a blessing in disguise. It was only a matter of time before it happened anyways, look how many BBFS reports there are on here and classic girls see at least 4 to 8 guys per night, 5 to 6 nights a week.That's not true. I never paid 500 k tip for BBFS for any girl in classic most was 300 k and that was only a cpl times most of them would accept 150 k or 200 k.
If you're giving them 500 k just because that's the number some of them throw out then you are part of the problem.
But the silver lining is it seems like stis are also on the rise as of late, especially the clap. So I guess these higher rates are a blessing in disguise. It was only a matter of time before it happened anyways, look how many BBFS reports there are on here and classic girls see at least 4 to 8 guys per night, 5 to 6 nights a week.Not sure what stis are LOL they're called STDs.
Doxycycline 100 MG 30 pills for 45 k at the Apotek.
RTFF and do more research bud.
Hung Man 1808
01-13-25, 00:13
I've been coming to Jakarta since it reopened after covid so I'm not a total newbie anymore but I've noticed girls have been pushing for more tips as of late, esp for BBFS. So you think it is getting out of hand over your time since visiting, all post Covid, then you'd be horrified as to the difference between pre and post Covid.
Even the last couple of years or so before the world discovered the joy of staying home (alone usually) it was starting to ramp up in demands and base pricing. Except for the locals area (which is really all that gets talked about these days). There has been some price inflation there, I think Travel was about 200 k or so mid noughties so it isn't an extreme increase. But there were also really really fun places for 150 k nearby too. And a CJs girl was 600 k. First time I went over 1 juta for a girl overnight was 2011, from BATS. I thought the world had simultaneously caved in and gone mad. She was hot though.
But the silver lining is it seems like stis are also on the rise as of late. It was only a matter of time before it happened anyways, look how many BBFS reports there are on here and classic girls see at least 4 to 8 guys per night, 5 to 6 nights a week.About 15 years ago, I asked one girl who was a big favourite of mine, if the local guys used condoms. She said "sometimes". Due to her looks, she was bouncing around the cheap places that were in the Lokasari area (where I met her) as well as Malioboro. She didn't like Malioboro - "too much fucking!" Tourists and expats going the local way isn't putting a dent in the underlying activity and resulting outcomes. Antibiotic resistance from the girls being constantly fed them may make more of a difference.
Something of note: The same girl back then also told me that the girls were being told to actively discourage bule from attending these fine establishments, because 'bule bring bombs'. That was the time of bombings by erm 'terrorists'. The logic was more bule, more bombs. Even if most bombings was indo on indo areas.
So if there is an outbreak of something that is uncontrollable that stops the girls working (or worse, passing it round the locals) guess who's going to get blamed and blacklisted? Actually, I think the same logic on who to blame for Covid has already been used.
I've been coming to Jakarta since it reopened after covid so I'm not a total newbie anymore but I've noticed girls have been pushing for more tips as of late, esp for BBFS. Just a year ago, classic girls seemed to be happy with 200 tip but now it seems 500 is the going rate. Same at empo, seemed BBFS was available for 3 to 500, now girls are expecting 1 million (Seems like it's the beginning of the end for Jakarta.
But the silver lining is it seems like stis are also on the rise as of late, especially the clap. So I guess these higher rates are a blessing in disguise. It was only a matter of time before it happened anyways, look how many BBFS reports there are on here and classic girls see at least 4 to 8 guys per night, 5 to 6 nights a week.If they're demanding that from you, and you're paying, you should read this forum more closely. I don't think there are many others of us paying that.
Where do you get the information that the sti rate is on the rise as of late? And if they are, why would it be a blessing?
My bare back experience has been disappointing too. Many girls flat out refusing BB or asking silly money. My BB statistics so far:
Emporium 0/3.
Travel 0/1.
Classic 2/5.
Kota Indah 2/5.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong. But I didn't have problems in Pattaya during the low season last year. Almost all freelancers and Soi 6 girls were happy to accept 500 or 1000 Baht. Here it seems way more difficult for me.
BenderOver
01-13-25, 08:39
If they're demanding that from you, and you're paying, you should read this forum more closely. I don't think there are many others of us paying that.
Where do you get the information that the sti rate is on the rise as of late? And if they are, why would it be a blessing?Sometimes, the girl's hot enough that the little head takes control and sends the big head into the copilot seat.
BenderOver
01-13-25, 09:02
I used the search looked through a few 100 posts but nothing about pros and cons about the classic hotel specifically like a normal hotel review and nothing on if they allow outside guests and why guys prefer to say at non mongering venue hotel and travel to this hotel if they travel to this hotel everyday anyways, there has to be some reason why they don't just stay at classic hotel and choose to travel to the hotel daily absorbing travel costs that would negate any savings. One reason might be that they don't want a mongering venue on record but if this is not an issue would they just stay at classic hotel. Hard to have any plausible deniability if you stay at classic hotel as well as the other venues I mentioned in the original post this much I understand is there any other reason why not to?
Well, some of us actually have professional lives and don't visit Jakarta just to get the dick wet. Here are a few thoughts:
Business connections might want to drop me off at my hotel after dinner.
I might want to have a friends with benefits come around to visit.
I want to be in the middle of a shopping district where nearby Alfamarts and Indomarets, street food vendors, malls, and legit massages can be easily accessible.
I want to find a place where bluebirds are easy to hail and at a location where the taxi can easily head in the right direction of traffic to where I'm going.
I want to stay in a name brand chain to start earning status nights because the hotel bill in Jakarta is so much cheaper than anywhere in the world.
BenderOver
01-13-25, 09:09
When I use an ATM, I put my wallet in my left hand after pulling the card out. I don't put it back in my pocket unless I can see the card replaced in it's slot.I should do this more often as I've lost my ATM card during travel at least 4 times in the last 8 years. The difficulty is: wallet in one hand, money comes out, money in the other hand, money in pocket?, hand on card, put card in wallet, etc. I love the ATM's that spit your card out FIRST, then the money comes out after.
Medellin65
01-13-25, 10:15
Wandering around the web I found this hotel "GiiA Maluku Hotel". The price seems good as well as the location. 98% of the reviews are positive. Does anyone know it and can give info? For example if it was a problem to bring the girls to the room. Thank's in advance for sugests.Good news.
I contacted their Wapp, answere been. "sir you can bring a girl into your room, you just have to reserve for 2.
I was tired from my flight and travel so wanted to keep it light, so went to try out the bar scene first.
Blok M: Jalan Fatehan 1:
I don't know if I reached too early or something else but the place was extremely quiet for a Saturday night, my Gojek guy tried finding the Moonrider bar for some time as it is available on maps but has disappeared from the location. Later outside some small bars, I found a mama type of woman who told that those and many others have been closed down, only 3 bars were there next to each other, 2 of them proper dancer+drink sorts and one karaoke, I sat in one the mama confirmed was the's place (although the outside label was something else). 3 girls dancing on a small stage like structure in the middle of the room and pool table at the end, only one or 2 guys other than me over there, 3 girls came to me had a little chit chat with the help of translate, asked for drinks some time later, So ordered 1 Bintang for her (her choice), they said they are open till 4 am on Saturdays, we chatted for a while (in-between) she went for dance when her number was up (dance was sort of meh). Got bored after 2 Bintangs ordered for bill (200 k incl. Service charge 10% for 3 Bintangs) Guys outside (like bouncer sorts but they were very chill), they helped me get a pack of Marlboro Menthol and I asked where I can find bar action, one of them told me on Melawai many bars are there but I couldn't spot a single one.
CJ's:
Then in an effort to explore more, I went to CJ's, when the Gojek guy arrived there I had doubts whether CJs would be here because it was a big hotel entrance and big SUVs were coming out one after the other from exit, I enquired with the watchman and he said it is upstairs, reached the entrance, they asked whether I am staying at the hotel, I said no, then they gave me a menu with overpriced beers, chose the lowest of them I. E. A Pint of Bintang for 200 k, went inside, live music was playing, the music and singers were superb, mostly singing from US albums, great atmosphere with ladies scattered all around the place, some of them occupied at tables with drinks / food etc. One mature looking lady approached me, started small talk (I wasn't intrigued by her) but was just trying to get the lay of the land so went with the flow, after some time I clarified that I don't want to waste her time and that I most probably won't take anyone out tonight, she understood, but still tried to pitch short time offer, but after a beer and few smokes I left the scene. It is a great place if you are going as a group (music wise). At the end of my 3rd Bintang for the night I got a hankering for getting some action. So next stop at 12 am was Classic.
Classic:
I made a rookie mistake of going inside the Ground Floor, hung around for some time, I had only 500 k left with me so my scope was very clear, didn't buy drinks or anything, but killed some time with the large pack of Marlboros with me. Place was packed to the brim, with dancers on stage (one girl was dancing totally topless on the center bar area), as discussed in the forum I waited for mamis to approach me but to my surprise no one did, I went looking for Cha Cha, found her but she quoted 600 k (incl. Tips), this was surprising as the 365 k was lodged in my head, then I approached a second mami she also quoted 650 k, english was scarce but I got the feeling that I was not in the right place, paid 30 k at exit just to be in there. Went to second floor after enquiring with the bouncers (language is tough to get through here but most people are patient and you need to understand with minimum words (knowledge shared on this forum is very helpful in bridging those gaps). Anyways on T2, the mamis started approaching me (ah! Finally the right place I said to myself) went through options of 2 mamis (didn't find anyone interesting), but the third mami had a tall pretty looking girl who was bubbly and gave the right vibe, I asked for DFK before hand to which the girl was not sure at first and discussed first with the mami (they said Ciuman couple of times) and mami convinced her to go with it, I still confirmed with the girl again couple of times and she nodded yes. She took me to the room with her usual gear, I said no to the Listerine stuff as I planned to go with CBJ, I softly held her before she took off the clothes etc, and we engaged in a soft and sensual DFK, then moved on to the bathing where I asked her to join me, she washed my Johnny the with some stuff, while I continued kissing her, came out she sat on the bed with towel on, which I slowly slipped off while kissing her lips and then on to the neck, she then put the condom on me (I was a little cautious, reading all the raw dogging experiences, and I am not on prep) I thought she would do BJ with the condom, but instead she put some gel on top of the Condom and said I already put gel and can't do BJ with it, I said alright and took her in missy for 5-10 minutes, followed by doggy where I nutted earlier than usual but, she was pleasant throughout the experience. Cleaned up with Listerine gargle and washing my the with the body wash. Post dressing up she asked for tip, I gave her 50 k and she was happy with it, didn't haggle, I kissed her on the cheeks and said bye for the day.
Today I thought of exploring another venue in an effort to keep things fresh, so I ventured into Kota Indah Komplek.
After reading all the reviews, I thought the best one to start with would be Sari Ayu and it definitely was worth it:
1. Sari Ayu: Mami accompanied me right from outside the bar to seat and thereafter choosing the girl, chose a slim girl. Angel, she was on the shy end, which I like, we had some chit chat through translate, clarified the charges, whether she did DFK or not, 400 k / HR, 800 k /3 HR and 2 m for taking out for the night (this I felt was too high). Onward to the room, she took bath herself followed by me (felt time was getting wasted here for both to take baths separately) but the act wasn't rushed so all good there. Once we both came out of the bath, she sat on the bed with the towel wrapped around (A sight which I personally love), the towel was too small for me to wraparound so I had no choice but to approach her in my birthday suit, started with slow sensual DFK (she was responding well to my advances), licked her ears, followed to the neck, while I was kissing her neck I slowly slipped her towel with my other hand, kissed all around the right boob intentionally delaying my journey to her nips, once I felt the momentum was built up, I went for the nips like a hungry tiger (but of course in a gentlemanly manner), took my sweet time with alternating between righty and lefty, then went down slowly, while I usually like DATY, I am avoiding it over here because of all the air about medical safety et all in Jak, but I slowly slipped a finger in her moist pussy with a cute little mound of hair while my hand was busy, I couldn't help but just watch her reactions (it is a great turn on for me if the girl also enjoys the act) and her facial expressions, moaning, lip biting, running hands through the hair was over the top, kept at it till she was out of breath (about 10-15 minutes). I went again for a passionate DFK after this, and then rolled over my strawberry flavoured Durex for BJ, she went at it like a candy in a side sleep position (she couldn't deepthroat it, not for lack of trying though), but it was enough to let me know that she was into the act for good, after about 10 minutes of CBJ, I went in for missy (missionary) the bed was too wobbly but eventually we managed to get in the right position, once I entered her and started moving she was on cloud 9, and I didn't waste to seize the opportunity, went in for deep and hard DFK while my lower body was busy pummelling with hard and soft strokes (to avoid nutting early and build pleasure for her as well). I even tried the Japanese kink of drooling my spit in her mouth, which she accepted and enjoyed like a champ (did this 3-4 times) and after about 10-15 minutes I felt I was ready to shoot, but told her that I am ready to cum and if she was ok with it (in a romantic way) to which she said yes in a very lovely way while biting her lips, ended the act with one final thrust. Then went to shower, where she asked me to go ahead, but I asked her if she could join me, she happily obliged, she couldn't stop smiling in a shy way while washing me and vice versa. Clothed up slowly and steadily on the wet floor (room / bathroom not as good as Classic, bathroom only had curtain separator and water was spilling over). I tipped her 50 k which she gladly accepted without any haggling or negative emotion. This concluded the lovely experience at Sari Ayu.
2. Miscellaneous (Just a drink in each bar to see what's what, some I just entered saw how deserted they were and left without any second thought): I went to pretty much to all the bars in Kota Indah Komplek, most were dry and boring (with only few girls incl. MTR) only Sari Ayu, Royal, Star Moon (even here girls were few and not that attractive) and one more (I don't remember the name) had the girls in big numbers and mid-high attractiveness. MTR was a highlight on the negative end of the spectrum, because after sitting down for a beer I didn't see any mama approaching, the girls were sitting on another end looking bored, some customers were drunk and sleeping on the bar stools, there were no mamas approaching anyone (surprised by the laid back attitude here).
3. Royal VIP: I was spent at Sari Ayu and just wanted some drinks and company so chose a table, mama was very happy to receive me blurted few bollywood dialogues (recognizing I was from India), got the line up in front of me and I chose 1 girl, Idea was to spend some time with drinks and smokes for both and tip her for her time spent, so we had some good google translate exchanges, she was cute with lenses (that made her stand out for me). We danced for about 10-15 minutes, mama was circling every now and then, I even spun the mama while dancing. After some time she came with the same deal as Sari Ayu 400 k / HR, 800 k /3 HR. I clarified that I was spent and won't take girl to the room, but will tip her for her time, but mama didn't like that and she made her go away immediately. Lesson Learnt: Don't choose girls here unless you are in it for a bang or don't mind spending the 400 k+tip just for company.
4. The bars that I went after that I clarified this upfront with the mamas and they were cool with it and just kept the vibe alive with meet me tomorrow (and call for Mama 'name' I understood girl company only if you will spend the 400 k. But one thing that is a unique advantage here is the beer prices are reasonable here and you can spend time with the girl with a beer or 2 before heading to the room. At Classic the drink price being high there is an indirect push to get in and get out with the girls. In one of the bars next to Royal VIP (name starting with 'and') while I was at the billing counter one of the working girls got so wasted that she fell down almost unconscious near the girl area, I ran to the aid got her up with the help of her friend and watching us one more guy came fwd we got her down on a couch, I checked up on her after billing to see if she was ok, luckily she was just drunk and her friend signalled that she is ok.
5. StarMoon: I went in and sat at a table where 3 mamas were sitting, ordered a Bintang and the mama closest to me started showing me the prices and green labels (350 k), red labels (400 k) on google translate, I mentioned that I may do that tomorrow or some other day, today just drinks and company if possible. The mama herself was cute with glasses (Gabby), I offered her smoke (said no), then drink (again no), asked her eventually if she goes out with customers, she smiled and said no. I guess the mama don't like no drama (LOL). After some time she went away. I finished my Bintang and went for billing, this was the only bar in which the pint cost only 40 k, other bars charged 10% service tax etc. To the bills on top of the beers being 45 k (the brands were different Bali Hai, Prost etc. I liked the taste of Prost and Bali Hai compared to Bintang, also worth noting that the big bottle costs double I. E. 90 k). Bid adeiu to Gabby on my way out and day concluded.
Thanks for the report ArnoldNe. Some remarks:
Blok M: I confirmed with a local guy, Blok M is just a shadow of its former self. There is probably little reason to go there.
CJs: 200 k isn't the price of a beer. 200 k is the entrance fee, and you get one drink included. The next drinks will be cheaper. And they have some good cocktails.
KI: I agree, the beds are really shitty.
MTR: I took a girl from there a few days ago. There were quite a few girls, I wouldn't discard it.
Royal VIP: they told me the price is 900 k. I didn't question it as the setup is different from the other bars. Are you sure you don't confuse it with Royal?
Gaijin Gigolo
01-13-25, 14:11
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Thanks for the report ArnoldNe. Some remarks:
Blok M: I confirmed with a local guy, Blok M is just a shadow of its former self. There is probably little reason to go there.
CJs: 200 k isn't the price of a beer. 200 k is the entrance fee, and you get one drink included. The next drinks will be cheaper. And they have some good cocktails.
KI: I agree, the beds are really shitty.
MTR: I took a girl from there a few days ago. There were quite a few girls, I wouldn't discard it.
Royal VIP: they told me the price is 900 k. I didn't question it as the setup is different from the other bars. Are you sure you don't confuse it with Royal?CJs: That is good to know.
MTR: May try the entire circuit again in a couple of days. I went there on a Sunday night, like yesterday, but bro the overall vibe was disappointing unlike any other venues over there, Only the waitress came to my table to get the drinks order and after I had it, I had to find her to pay the bill also, and it wasn't just me, all the tables were the same. Given the market and competition it is a given that someone approaches you with an offer. But doesn't hurt to get another beer for a second try.
Royal: It is entirely possible that I may have got the name mixed up as I went to pretty much all of them. Just for clarity it is the one on the StarMoon alley and on the right hand side of Sari Ayu if you are exiting from the southside of Sari Ayu (MTR is bang opposite from this entrance / exit).
Giovanni Volo
01-13-25, 22:14
AFAIK there are no rules how long the girls can sit with you. Instead of sitting at the couches with other girls, they can sit with you as long as they want with the 40 K drinks. Obviously they would rather float around and get picked up by other guys, so I would slip tips in their boobs and crotches as I kiss and grips them to give them incentives to stay.
Other Asian guys sit on couches with 5 or 6 girls long time without buying drinks for girls. Some bought a plate of fruits for girls to share.
My first time in Classic 2, I had no idea how the club worked, so I asked a big-spending local to explain things. He was very helpful all night, guiding me how to work the club. I would like to thank him for his help and friendship.
I found Classic 2 easy and relaxing. It's up to you to manage your companies and situations. Any problems ask a mamasan to help. Better yet, engage a mamasan to help you select and deal with girls.Hello.
Can I ask you some clarification about drinking?
If you want stay with a girls drinking before going to sex you really have to buy just a 40 k drink for her? 365 k hour just start from the time you will go in the room?
That's amazing.
But can you also drink of girls, relaxing and kissing the girls fro that price?
Before 1 hour sex obvioulsy.
Thanks for the report ArnoldNe. Some remarks:
CJs: 200 k isn't the price of a beer. 200 k is the entrance fee, and you get one drink included. The next drinks will be cheaper. And they have some good cocktails.
Not much cheaper. 200 k is about the norm for a drink in CJs even after you enter. I guess if you get a coke, that might be 150 k.
Even the last couple of years or so before the world discovered the joy of staying home (alone usually) it was starting to ramp up in demands and base pricing. Except for the locals area (which is really all that gets talked about these days). There has been some price inflation there, I think Travel was about 200 k or so mid noughties so it isn't an extreme increase. But there were also really really fun places for 150 k nearby too. And a CJs girl was 600 k. First time I went over 1 juta for a girl overnight was 2011, from BATS. I thought the world had simultaneously caved in and gone mad. She was hot though.Are you still in town? Nice post. I'm with you. I almost had a heart attack when those girls in BATS and CJs started asking for 1 juta. It was almost unbelievable. Now I hear it's 3 juta. Who the hell would ever pay that in Jakarta? For them to be asking it, some desperate souls must be paying it. How are you allowing that to happen? I will be back in town soon and hope I can find cheaper free lancers than that. (admittedly I can speak a bit of Bahasa).
I like chatting the free-lance girls up in the bars rather than the brothel scene. But yes, north Jakarta has always been way cheaper, although never as much fun to be had. You are right that Travel and MTR were 200 when I first came to town (sounds like around the same time as you, you maybe were a couple of years prior to my arrival). Remember that bar called Bintang Mawar in North Jakarta? I think they charged 150 k back when I first arrived in town, and I think Medika and Robinson charged 100 k. Of all the girls I have known in Jakarta, a few always remain in my mind. There was a super stunner at Bintang Mawar I liked and one at Medika as well. Maybe I just remember them so well since I was new in town, I'm not sure. Those places just having a curtain as a door was such a turn off though. Medika was way nicer the last time I went, which was pre-covid.
Even with those dirt cheap prices in North Jakarta back then, Free lance girls at Blok M were only 200 k for the whole night and that was a true girlfriend experience, so there was little point of going up north for a one hour quickie. BATS, CJS, and Tiga Puluh girls only wanted 500 k for all night (which I used to consider expensive, haha). CJs did ask for 600 at times, but 500 was pretty standard at all 3. Tiga Puluh used to be packed with honeys prior to it's renovations and was my favorite of those 3 five star hotel bars. Hard Rock Cafe in Sarinah was always such a great pickup spot back then though, and was really fun, so I normally went there instead of the 5 star hotel bars. Lots of semi-pro office or college girls looking for fun there. Dancing on top of the tables drunk near closing time. That Asia Reforms band was awesome. And if I didn't meet a girl there, I could go to JJ's or Tanamur just down the street. So much great fun to be had in those days.
I haven't read this forum in a while now, since I left town at the onset of covid. It's sad to see almost everyone only talking about the North Jakarta brothels. Is there really anything interesting to know about those places that we all already don't know? I have long had the phone numbers of many of the mamasans for those bars in my phone. It seems they still work there even years later. I do appreciate the mamasans from those establishments still having their ladies for the day and occasional promo event notices on their whatsapp status, but what else is needed to know other than that? I scrolled though those girl's photos daily during covid. Haha.
My main plan is to hook up with regulars from the past and look for free-lancers, but I do still plan to swing by north Jakarta with my outfits for the girls as always. No matter how much Offshore swell thinks it's weird. LOL.
This forum used to have some really fun and interesting stories of picking up free lancers and sweet-talking non-pro girls all over town. I guess those days may be gone. However, let's see if I can find a couple myself.
This day was disappointing on all counts, but that is the cost of exploration beyond limiting oneself to conventional and known good options, so no sweat.
BTW I noticed that using the single alphabet dee for Duck 'D' gets auto replaced by ISG, so if in my earlier post something is looking incomplete, this will probably be the reason.
1. Malio Club: Getting here is tricky as you need to use a lift of adjacent building to get to this one. However it is best to put it in the avoid list if you are a VFM (Value for money oriented customer) This was a pure rip-off place, from waiters to the chicks that flock you, it all just felt like an elaborate scam. First of they handed me a number with a rubber wrist band (this is similar to Classic SOP), once I went in I chose a seat of my choice, then 1 chick came to me upfront explained me all the charges etc. (btw she was wearing a fishnet lingerie (comparable to a girls swimming costume), her nips etc were popping out of it and most of the ladies were scantily dressed in a similar fashion (see through lingerie, etc)) I was just trying to absorb the info. That she was giving and compare it with what I already knew about the place (thanks to this forum). She then called 4-5 other girls who also greeted me, I anyways chose her (thought since she is giving all info. In a detailed manner she may be honest in her approach) but alas that wasn't the case, she started with minimum 3 shots, which they guzzle down like water, in that she grinded me with clothes on (sort of a dry hump), promised me that for 5 shots she will kiss, provide service, let me play with the melons, but after 3 shots, started asking for 2 more (saying 5 are minimum for service), She just allowed me to touch one boob and never kissed. I could see where this was heading but in a pursuit to understand the working mechanism of the place I allowed it, and as expected she guzzled down those also and then got off my lap and started pitching me taking upstairs 3. 8 M for FS and 1. 8 for BJ, saying I am a dancer blah blah, she also called the waiter for 2 more shots and I just put my foot down then, said the waitress to stop. BTW when you ask the waiter for 2, they also try to upsell 3-4, the place was creeping me up. What was more is there was no attempt of justifying the cost of 5 shots (5*66 k) by means of service or anything. I just said to myself this is enough, the moment I said no to more shots, she got up and scurried away. I understood the modus operandi over here, and decided it was enough for me. I saw some good looking Russian / Ukranian / CIS chicks gathered at a table, one of them looked really pretty, while heading out I asked for prices what I got was Gold: 1. 2 M, Platinum: 1. 8 M and Foreigner: 3 M+something, but given the overall attitude of the place, I won't venture to try anything here. Besides I had about 10 encounters with CIS chicks while being in Prague last year at half the price and 0 attitude as well. Now comes the billing counter. For 1 single can of beer and 5 of those 66 k each ridiculous shots it cost me 556000, Drinks Cost+entrance 15 k+40% something tax + some other tax bullshit. If anyone was to ask me I would say stay away from this place like running away from plague or something. It is a place built for robbing you off of your money.
2. Mari Enjoy Karaoke and Massage: This is on the opposite side of Grand Paragon hotel in a dingy alley. Currently construction work is going on and it blocks the view of this bar from the highway / main road.
As mentioned by others it is a small place with some Karaoke ongoing and about 10 odd girls at max seated at the entrance, good thing about the place is that you get Guiness beer here for mere 95 k (large 660 ML bottle) while Bintang same qty is 90 k, so that was an easy choice, place was a dump from toilets to rooms upstairs. I like Guiness, HoeGaarden, etc beers for their unique taste profiles. After few sips, mami asked to checkout the girls, I thought the lineup would come to the table but no, you had to go to their couches to choose them, said alright, and the ones that looked moderately attractive where busy on their phones and didn't want to be disturbed, luckily one slim small chick came from behind the cashier's section (maybe finished an earlier session etc, not sure) but I chose her and she obliged. We sat for some time and she mentioned that she would prefer sitting downstairs only while having drinks and will give me DFK over there. Although she mentioned this, she didn't actually do it for a long time, in-between I offered her Marlboro Menthols but she said she preferred other cigs, so got a packet from the cashier worth 50 k, I said to myself if she doesn't perform well then this will be her tip, I said we won't be able to do much downstairs so lets head to the room, she obliged, before going up I had to pay the bill of 500 k+some taxes this included (350 k for the girl to go upstairs+95 k for the beer and 50 k for her cig+taxes), I got the cashier to reduce the tax part to some extent. Once in the room, we waited for the showers to be free, she didn't shower, but asked me to, post shower (outside room), once I went in the room (she turned off all lights, it was pitch dark), I asked why? She said there is a glass in the middle of the door which anyone could look through (I then saw it and said ok), but I was not comfortable as I couldn't see anything, luckily I knew where my condoms etc. were in my pockets. Once act started, she did oblige on the DFK promise, but she was in and out of it, while trying to stroke my Johnny, while doing this she was fake moaning to the max (I could sense that she is doing this on purpose to make me cum early), but I had already committed the time and money so didn't want to waste it, kissed her well, sucked her small boobs to my heart's content and fingered her pussy till it was wet. Once this act was done and when it was her time to please me, I rolled on the condom, but she refused BJ, I was pissed by this time but wanted to make the most out of the situation, so took her in missy and ploughed hard, I kissed her in-between the banging, but then she started resisting (like don't kiss my face because of makeup etc), was wiping her lips with towel everytime we kissed, I took my time to finish about 20 odd minutes of banging, she was fake moaning the whole time. Once finished, I said bye without any tip (I guess the 50 k cig packet was more than what she deserved). Didn't look back while exiting.
3. Club Escape Hawaii: I wanted to kill some time after above experience, and saw this club type place while my Gojek guy entered the wrong lane before taking me to Mari's, it is just in the next lane of Mari's. This place was just as the sign read. A club and nothing more. There was an entrance fee of 50 k and a big bottle of Angkor cost me 115 k, there was more staff than people in this club, the DJ was playing some loud music (which was ok), it was a very dimly lit club and you had to turn on your mobile torch to sit right in your seat etc. But there was nothing worth noting here, just avoid. I ended up playing a game on my phone just to finish my beer.
Only 2 things were good from my today's excursions one the Coffee flavored Guiness beer and second the Helmet less ride back to my hotel at 1. 30 am from these disappointing encounters.
I am aware that most of the airport sim card selling terminals are expensive than what you would get locally, but I always buy a sim at the airport itself for self assurance before venturing into a new and unknown city. I had done some homework and was set on a Telekomsel 100 k plan (25 gb data / 25 mins calling option), however I didn't find this offer on any of the terminals in the airport exit area. After comparing options of various terminals, I settled down for '3' (European telecom provider), it gives very little data for 100 k I. E. 6. 7 gb data with 30 k local minutes of talktime, this plan relied on hotel wifi being good and stable and turns out that it is, but backup plan was to top-up locally if required later. For people who can use e-sims also the offers aren't that great, but my phone doesn't have this option so I didn't dive deep into this topic, but I did glance over some of the e-sim plans of Telekomsel before my travel, and there wasn't a big difference in cost for esim vs. physical sim card.
For the taxi part, I opted for Bluebird fixed cost option of 171 k, however there was an additional toll tax that the driver made me aware of, and reminded me while he paid the toll. When I handed over 200 k to him, he typed and showed me 200 k+500 of something, I showed him on calc that 171+10 k=181 k, what was another 20 k, that he wasn't able to explain but wasn't willing to give the change, I had read this about Bluebird drivers beforehand, so let this one slide as I was tired from the flight and wanted to crash in my room.
I opted to stay in Kemayoran area, which is a nice enough place that met my requirements of free Breakfast, Wifi and a Swimming Pool, close enough to the hotspots for 10 mins Gojek/Grab rides and connectivity of Gojek etc is good they don't call for asking directions or anything (as language could be a barrier on a audio call with driver), so this may be a small thing but it is still important. My hotel has a Alfamart and Indomaret located nearby, sadly no major restaurants nearby, but hotel has a restaurant (that is working ok for me so far), but I am planning to use food delivery apps to get outside food in (hotel said they are ok with it). For Vegetarians / Vegans options are really limited, and you may have to find alternate options like I am doing (For the first 2 days the only meals that I had was a fruit platter and Boiled Eggs for some form of Protein (I am eggitarian (veg+eggs)), another option is to travel to a veg restaurant but that will mean using Gojek or Grab for every meal and it can become inconvenient really fast for a laid back holiday.
I have read pages and pages over the last week but not 100% sure about the opening times for the most actively discussed venues such as.
1. Classic.
2. Travel.
3. Malioboro.
4. 1001.
5. Kota Indah bars such as Starmoon etc.
The reason being, I am an early to bed and early to rise guy, 5 AM - 9 PM is my day usually and I hate staying up late. I find it difficult to do even if I try.
And this completely messes up my mongering trips since most places start packing late night only. Days can get really really boring for me unless there are some that open early. Would love to hear about any such options.
I am visiting Jakarta next week. Will certainly share my reports to this amazing community.
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The reason being, I am an early to bed and early to rise guy, 5 AM - 9 PM is my day usually and I hate staying up late. I find it difficult to do even if I try.
And this completely messes up my mongering trips since most places start packing late night only. Days can get really really boring for me unless there are some that open early. Would love to hear about any such options.
...Join the club. My sex-drive falls off a cliff as from early evening. That's why Jakarta might be just the ticket for me IF it is still like in the old days. I remember hitting kota indah (Sari Ayu) after lunch, around 3 pm. Likewise venues around Lokasari Plaza like Bintan Mawar and the infamous "Garage" (all defunct now I think).
I did have sex late, indeed overnight in Jakarta, but that was while ravin' & rollin'. I don't want to go down that road again though, too dangerous.
Paradise for me would be for venues to be in full swing right after breakfast, when I feel horny as a rat.
I have read pages and pages over the last week but not 100% sure about the opening times for the most actively discussed venues such as.
1. Classic.
2. Travel.
3. Malioboro.
4. 1001.
5. Kota Indah bars such as Starmoon etc.
The reason being, I am an early to bed and early to rise guy, 5 AM - 9 PM is my day usually and I hate staying up late. I find it difficult to do even if I try..Classic opens at 2 pm for T2 and 6 pm for T5.
I went to KI the other day at 14:30 and it was completely dead. 16:50 Sari Ayu was full. Other bars were only just starting when I checked between 16:40 and 17:00.
There was an official memo that effective January 13 2025, the time with your girl in Emporium has been reduced from 90 minutes in the room to 60 minutes. The 30 minutes in the spa has been unchanged. And prices presumably will remain the same. Business must have been good for them as of late it seems.
The mamasan said something about one group of girls costing 1445000 and the other "VIP" group costing a bit more. I thought I had chosen the VIP group but when I left I was asked to pay 1445000. Maybe there was a misunderstanding and the group I was ushered to was not the VIP group.
I was not overly impressed with the facial beauty of girls although some of them were rather tall, which is something I like. I had a good session with Carin. My God how tight she was! I had forgotten how tight girls' pussies can be. Carin said she was 20 years-old without any children. I sure believed the part about "no children", how else could a girl have such a tight pussy? She also had a Bush downstairs, which was a change from Thai and Brazil girls, and something I do not dislike at all.
The girl had no lube and I was glad I had brought mine. Something to keep in mind. Always bring your lube.
I paid Emporium with Google Pay aka Google Wallet, 86 euros. Very handy. I gave the girl a 300000 tip though. Emporium will see me again, especially since I'm staying next door at Moevenpick.
Customs and buying a SIM card was a breeze, although when I used the indo SIM card I had problems with voice-to-text on my Google Keyboard (Gboard). This was odd since the SIM card had no problem connecting me to the internet. Could this have to do with ping time?
I'm not sure calling a Grab at the airport was a good idea. My Grab was 15 minutes away and I had to wait. Maybe picking an available Bluebird was the thing to do so as not to waste too much time.
Tomorrow Classic.
There was an official memo that effective January 13 2025, the time with your girl in Emporium has been reduced from 90 minutes in the room to 60 minutes. The 30 minutes in the spa has been unchanged. And prices presumably will remain the same. Business must have been good for them as of late it seems.
Spa? This is what the girl meant when she mentioned something I took to mean a swimming pool. So you spend 30 minutes in the "spa", then 60 minutes in the room? They must think highly of me as a customer then. I went straight to the room and was done within 35 minutes. The girl was herself somewhat surprised I wanted to leave so soon.
1. Travel:
As part of ongoing exploration I planned to go to Travel today, 14 k cover charge and 135 k for a bottle of Guiness, first impressions, dimly lit club with live performance by 2 girls singing alternatively on the main stage, one of the singer chicks was very hot herself, I had half a mind about asking for that option but dismissed that line of thought soon enough since it was my first time there and was trying to absorb the quality of ladies and the overall scene around, one mami came and sat beside me, started showing me some passing girls, I said wait I would like to have a drink first she said ok, but then came back after 5 minutes and the same story, but I was firm on not moving an inch till last installment of my bottle is in the glass. I was a little concerned about my performance for back to back 4th day but surprisingly enough I am surpassing my own physical expectations here, that of course in no small parts is thanks to Viagra-50 MG (Original) and few other naturopathy supplements containing L-arganine, swimming daily, and of course the girls are hot. Enough about that though (we all have our go to action rituals and toolkits), once I was on my last glass of beer, I engaged the mami to show me the ladies, Travel is dimly lit so you can't see the ladies as well as you would at Classic. Among the ladies that came by and I sent away 1 girl caught my eye and mami sat her down eventhough I didn't show any eagerness to take her, but upon small chit-chat I asked her about DFK and she said she doesn't do it, I politely refused her and I typed my full requirement on translate and showed to mami and she brought 2 options, one of whom was a slender frame and I chose her. But once in bright lights I saw that she was wearing too much make up and might have been on the higher side of the age scale (girl name: Siska), She had few tats which quickly became the topic of our small talk. She was friendly and while in room engaged in a good DFK process but I could sense some foul smell from her mouth (like a dead tooth / or small tooth decay) it wasn't too strong, but it was distracting me enough to disengage from that process. This one didn't carry Listerine or any mouth wash of her own, so I offered her mine (but it didn't improve the experience). Got my strawberry flavored Durex on and emphasized on getting a good BJ from her, she had a very small frame (I could see the outlines of her bones), so she would only able to take so much in but I tried a deepthroat position where the girl lies on her back and you BJ in a standing position (not sure if this position has a name yet), although taking a note that she wasn't able to take too much in, I cut it short. Changed condom to Durex Intense and ploughed for 15 odd minutes, then switched to doggy and did that for 10 odd minutes again and released. Total damages were 375 k +50 k tip. The rooms at Travel were nice and towels were also very clean so that is a plus. I had half a mind to to do 2 sessions today but decided to quit travel and move to Classic, that would give me some time to re-calibrate and also choose a girl who would actually tickle my fancy. BTW they didn't drop the cover charge while billing and exit bill was 150 k.
2. Classic:
After learning from my previous mistake, I headed straight to floor 2 this time, once entered started getting approached by mamis, but I held my ground today and told them 'Aku mau minum dulu' meaning I would like to have a drink first, with that I headed to an empty area by the rear end of the bar away from the center stage, Idea was to have a drink or 2 before I get in on the action, however one very jolly mami was moving around with her girls and made one girl sit eventhough I said no, I clarified with the girl, that I wouldn't be choosing anyone right now and after some time she left following another mami train (mami moving around with her chicks), while I was at the end of my first beer the mami train was back and she made the same chick from earlier and one more chick sit again with me, I again clarified the same thing, but after some time the girls started chatting with me and they were very cheerful, I offered them smoke but both of them said they don't smoke, I was just killing some time before I felt recharged, but both of them grew their presence on me after some time, they didn't ask for anything but were just small talking without any intention of going anywhere or trying to burn their time till the time they found a prospective customer, after some time I started feeling bad but also getting involved in their chat and one of them really started growing as a prospective interest, she didn't strike me as someone that I immed. Wanted to go to room with but during the chat and while starting my second beer, under the right light I started recognizing how beautiful and soft mannered she was, also she spoke some english, I confirmed after some time that I will go with her (got confirmation on the DFK etc aspect first) and next time if I find them both again, I will go with them both. They were just enjoying the small talk and were in no hurry to call mami, but I had to urge them to, as it was getting late. I did the due diligence with mami, and we were off to the room. While moving around I noticed her lack of confidence about the place, when asked she said she joined only 1 month back. In the room while we were getting settled I asked and she confirmed she was 22, once I got my shoes et all off, I focused on her and went in for that kiss and boy o boy was it magical, there was no end to that loooong kiss, the experience was like a first romantic kiss with your high school or college's first girlfriend, we were inseparable, and I had to break the kiss to move forward unfortunately, my worries about my second cameo for the day were out of the window, I asked her to go to the shower first while I undressed, but she just stood there watching me, I ask her to hold on while she was removing her bra, I went in the bathroom and another DFK for almost 10 minutes started, I slid her bra slowly while kissing her, it seemed like our time would be up with just the make out session, and honestly I wouldn't have mind that, but nobody at Classic or Travel actually knocked the door for time up so far, and I am sure on both instances we were well above the 1 hour threshold. We showered together she washed my Johnny but we never broke eye contact (not even once). Once we went to the bed in our towels, we started with another passionate kiss followed by kisses to her neck, arms, even armpits (another Japanese kink, I loved it when one of the SEA girls in India did it to me the first time and now I reciprocate to the ones who are excited by it) eventually to her small perfectly shaped tits, she was gasping for her breath already and I couldn't help but go down on her, she was not shaved (not a problem for me), first when I touched her V, I noticed she was already wet, I slid my finger in and continued that for 4-5 minutes while her whole body was just trembling and moving in frantic motions, I then licked her perfectly clean pussy and a it was a feast to go down on, room was filled with moans and it continued for 8-10 minutes, after which she disengaged me from the the act (in a way that it is enough for me, now your turn) and went on to the CBJ mode, she was good for an amateur and was completely in the act, moved to missionary after some time (changed condom in-between) and slowly entered her based on her confirmation, I was big for her size and frame but slowly and steadily entered her, she was tight down there but her being wet helped, the fucking continued for 20 odd minutes missionary followed by doggy followed by cowgirl until I finally came. Even after the act was done we were kissing like teenagers in heat, moved to shower (again joint shower), I offered her my listerine and anti-bacterial wipes. I asked for her number while dressing up, she shared it gladly confirmed if she goes out for an all nighter, she confirmed yes and I also confirmed her day off in Classic, She quoted 1 m for whole night, which I thought was reasonable at the time, but upon retrospect I think I could get it down. But I am a private person, and have never had anyone in my room ever before (this is also from useful from safety an anonymity perspective), but I have mixed feelings about this one, so lets see. I tipped her 100 k as it was the best experience for me in Indonesia so far. At billing counter I was surprised to see a bill of only 90 k, as beer rates shown to me were 65 k and I had 2 of them, it seems they also waived off the cover charge of 5. Love Classic, best place to be so far.
While exiting Classic at 2 am, there was lady with spectacles (SEA ethnicity), slightly aged (may be early 30's) standing by the gate, where the watchmen stand, she started talking and asked about my experience et all, and said that she is very good and can accompany for a full night at Classic at 1. 5 M, this was a surprise, I was just receptive to the information that I was getting, but the watchman started enquiring about my ride etc and took me away from her. Didn't know freelancers have started pitching their business at Classic gates, BTW there are also many stalls around Classic selling Cialis and Viagra, I don't trust the streetside stuff, but its just FYI.
Decided to take a chill pill next day I. E. Today, just having beers in my room watching my favorite shows, at times it is actually one of the best things to do (BTW you can order beers and other alcoholic beverages through Gojek also, it gives more choice and luckily today I received a 30% discount also so got 5 beers (mix of 330 ML bottles, 500 ML cans) for 127 k, there are also combo offers across brands and alcohol types. Tomorrow I will go to Emporium, but as mentioned by pretty much everyone on the forum Classic is the best in all terms (VFM, Quality, Quantity, Service (your judgement and gut feel are your guide here for what you want and to a certain extent luck for the girls delivering on their promises, but this is true of any place you go to upscale or one for the common man)). Apologies if I am rambling on, and sharing more than people want to read, I want to stay as much in scope of this thread as possible but couldn't help to share a little more of what I come across, but I can always edit and trim if moderators have any objections.
One other side note: I had read about traffic issues that people face in Jakarta, I usually go out for hunting after 9. 30-10 pm and didn't come across any traffic issues, in my 5 days so far. I faced traffic issue only once, I. E. Going to Malio's at about 9. 30-10 pm. Hope it helps!
Tomorrow I will go to Emporium, but as mentioned by pretty much everyone on the forum Classic is the best in all terms (VFM, Quality, Quantity, Service (your judgement and gut feel are your guide here for what you want and to a certain extent luck for the girls delivering on their promises, but this is true of any place you go to upscale or one for the common man)). Apologies if I am rambling on, and sharing more than people want to read, I want to stay as much in scope of this thread as possible but couldn't help to share a little more of what I come across, but I can always edit and trim if moderators have any objections.
Great reports from you man. I can't agree Classic is better in terms of quality or service, but I too prefer Classic most of the time, for the quantity and VFM aspect. Guess tomorrow you will see for yourself.
Once a week I greatly enjoyed going to Emporivum for a longer session of relaxation however. I highly recommend taking advantage of the 30 minutes of pooltime that is included in the price when you go there tomorrow, so make sure you arrive before the pool starts to close (23:00 Mon - Sat, 21:00 Sunday). Before going to the room, you and your girl can sit in a rather nice and hot pool together for up to 30 minutes to relax and warm up together, which can make the session later much better if you managed to develop some rapport of course. There's a cold pool in there too for cooling down, and they provide shorts for the pool.
The 90 minutes (or seems it has now been reduced to 60 minutes as the other guy said?) of roomtime with the girl also only start later, once you go to the room, which is a really nice thing.
The mamasan said something about one group of girls costing 1445000 and the other "VIP" group costing a bit more. I thought I had chosen the VIP group but when I left I was asked to pay 1445000. Maybe there was a misunderstanding and the group I was ushered to was not the VIP group.
Yes. The higher-priced group on your left is 1.4something, and the lower priced group on your right is 1.2something.
Great reports from you man. I can't agree Classic is better in terms of quality or service, but I too prefer Classic most of the time, for the quantity and VFM aspect. Guess tomorrow you will see for yourself.
Once a week I greatly enjoyed going to Emporivum for a longer session of relaxation however. I highly recommend taking advantage of the 30 minutes of pooltime that is included in the price when you go there tomorrow, so make sure you arrive before the pool starts to close (23:00 Mon - Sat, 21:00 Sunday). Before going to the room, you and your girl can sit in a rather nice and hot pool together for up to 30 minutes to relax and warm up together, which can make the session later much better if you managed to develop some rapport of course. There's a cold pool in there too for cooling down, and they provide shorts for the pool.
The 90 minutes (or seems it has now been reduced to 60 minutes as the other guy said?) of roomtime with the girl also only start later, once you go to the room, which is a really nice thing.Noted brother, I plan to go early, ideally (I am usually a nightowl, but will make an exception in this case to get the best girl choices and facilities), will report once I try it out and may hit KI at night again.
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Paradise for me would be for venues to be in full swing right after breakfast, when I feel horny as a rat.Absolutely, I am on the same boat pal. It is on my checklist for this upcoming trip. About 90% of fucks in my life were morning romps. But in SEA countries unless you live there and have a bunch of regulars, it seems impossible for the weekend monger to get this. Who wants to hang out with a mostly non drinker who sleeps at 9 pm, the girls simply want to run away after the deed.
Keeping fingers crossed.
Classic opens at 2 pm for T2 and 6 pm for T5.That's good information. Thanks pal.
I went to KI the other day at 14:30 and it was completely dead. 16:50 Sari Ayu was full. Other bars were only just starting when I checked between 16:40 and 17:00.Noted with thanks!
Other than Tinder or Bumble, any other dating app that is widely used by FL? Again I am looking for morning to noon fun, and it seems there is none to be had in bars till late afternoon or so.
TIA.
I will be staying in Jakarta for just 3 days starting on Sunday and after RTFF shortlisted the following.
High-end spas 1. 5 to 2 M.
Planning only 1 visit to each since I have to spend 3 days in Bali and 4 days in Pattaya right after and must watch the budget.
1001.
Emporium.
Medium / Low.
Starmoon.
Classic.
Kings cross.
Not sure if it makes sense to run between Classic and Kota Indah and Kelapa Gading back and forth.
Other than Tinder or Bumble, any other dating app that is widely used by FL? Again I am looking for morning to noon fun, and it seems there is none to be had in bars till late afternoon or so.
TIA.Try TanTan. It seems to be pretty popular there.
I asked the employee if next time a copy of my passport would suffice. She said no problem. Indeed on my receipt it says "Customers are required to bring a photocopy of their ID".
That's good information. Thanks pal.Sounds good? But it's not good! Most women don't start until 5 pm So you will find a hall with maybe 30% of the women that are normally there. It goes without saying that the real highlights start late.
I will be staying in Jakarta for just 3 days starting on Sunday and after RTFF shortlisted the following.
High-end spas 1. 5 to 2 M.
Planning only 1 visit to each since I have to spend 3 days in Bali and 4 days in Pattaya right after and must watch the budget.
1001.
Emporium.
Medium / Low.
Starmoon.
Classic.
Kings cross.
Not sure if it makes sense to run between Classic and Kota Indah and Kelapa Gading back and forth.A report on King Cross would be great! Have fun.
LoveItHere69
01-16-25, 12:46
That's good information. Thanks pal.But he never tells anyone the bad news so here it is. T5 will only have 45% of the girls within the first half hour and at 7:00 they will be 75% full T2 at opening time will only have 15% of the girls the first hour. 2 hours later at 4:00 at T2, only 40% of all the girls will be available that they have.
No NFC payment on this floor. They showed me a barcode to pay but that was not even a credit card payment, it was some barcode for a direct bank transfer. Things may be different on floor 5 I don't know.
The girls: very low quality. Like the lower segment of Soi 6 Pattaya.
Girl 1: bad session. After showering she started sampling toilet paper on the bed. After piling the sheets of toilet paper on top of one another she soaked them in Listerine. Then she went on to rub my chest with it. What could be the benefit of that? She also rubbed my cock with it. Listerine has a numbing effect, just what I needed for me never to come. While I did her in doggy she twisted her back to reach to my cock and kept her fingers on it, like she wanted to secure the condom, WTF. She still insisted on a tip at the end. I gave her 50 k.
Girl 2: outright scam. She demanded a drink, when I refused she demanded cigarettes, which I refused too. Then she insisted on dimming the lights, alleging her eyes hurt in bright light. Then she only wanted covered BJ. When I told her I wanted to fuck in doggystyle she refused: at this junction I jumped out of bed and left. Ugly MILF anyway.
Classic floor 2 will never see me again. Cheap allright but for what? I might look in on floor 5 some day but I'm not even sure. Bad vibes all along.
After leaving Classic I walked to Emporium where I had a very good session with Novi. From my limited experience the price gap between Classic and Emporium is fully justified. 85 euros + 300000 IDR tip though. At those rates and given identical girl quality, mongering in Sao Paulo rather than Jakarta is a better proposition, except maybe if you want bareback I guess you're still better off in Jakarta. Note that we're hitting the 100 USD mark again. This seems to be the world-wide going rate nowadays to have sex with a objectively sexy girl in so-called "sex havens".
Grab is shit after all. It started requiring verification of my (already verified!) credit card at the beginning of each ride. This is not how it's supposed to work! But even after I jumped into my banking app and verified my credit card for the umpteenth time the Grab app still let me hang. I had to pay cash to get a ride back home. As expected, no way to get help from Grab. It's an app without a customer service.
I've just downloaded Gojek and registered my credit card in the Gojek app. I'll see tomorrow whether Gojek is more helpful than Grab. I'll stop here before I go off on a rant about what a breeze using Uber cashless in Sao Paulo was compared to using Grab in Jakarta.
But he never tells anyone the bad news so here it is. T5 will only have 45% of the girls within the first half hour and at 7:00 they will be 75% full T2 at opening time will only have 15% of the girls the first hour. 2 hours later at 4:00 at T2, only 40% of all the girls will be available that they have.He asked about opening times not how many girls are there at which times. I answered what he asked, no more no less.
And I have found girls I like right at the opening and had great sessions sometimes it's even easier to find one I like when it is less crowded.
Girl 2: outright scam. She demanded a drink, when I refused she demanded cigarettes, which I refused too. Then she insisted on dimming the lights, alleging her eyes hurt in bright light. Then she only wanted covered BJ. When I told her I wanted to fuck in doggystyle she refused: at this junction I jumped out of bed and left. Ugly MILF anyway.Did she have crooked upper teeth? Like the lateral incisor and pointy tooth next to it?
If so then that was the same stupid one that caused me problems one time (and I did report on her bad experience in November, Loveithere69).
Anyways that is not the norm at classic, just a bad apple. Honestly she should be fired.
You got confirmation for DFK but not BBFS why not, is Gabacho the Classic expert, why can't BBFS be agreed upon before committing to a session.
In this post you wrote "changed condom in-between" why, I thought you don't like condoms, but you accepted CBJ and are even changing them during the session.
You sound like someone that doesn't want BBFS.What the hell do I have to do with this?
Sounds good? But it's not good! Most women don't start until 5 pm So you will find a hall with maybe 30% of the women that are normally there. It goes without saying that the real highlights start late.The OP asked for opening times.
The girls: very low quality. Like the lower segment of Soi 6 Pattaya.
Girl 1: bad session. After showering she started sampling toilet paper on the bed. After piling the sheets of toilet paper on top of one another she soaked them in Listerine. Then she went on to rub my chest with it. What could be the benefit of that? She also rubbed my cock with it. Listerine has a numbing effect, just what I needed for me never to come. While I did her in doggy she twisted her back to reach to my cock and kept her fingers on it, like she wanted to secure the condom, WTF. She still insisted on a tip at the end. I gave her 50 k.
Girl 2: outright scam. She demanded a drink, when I refused she demanded cigarettes, which I refused too. Then she insisted on dimming the lights, alleging her eyes hurt in bright light. Then she only wanted covered BJ. When I told her I wanted to fuck in doggystyle she refused: at this junction I jumped out of bed and left. Ugly MILF anyway.
Classic floor 2 will never see me again. Cheap allright but for what? I might look in on floor 5 some day but I'm not even sure. Bad vibes all along.
I went to classic only once at 3 pm, when my flight was leaving some hours later. I struggled a bit to find anyone I liked, but suddenly they appeared, a pretty, but also the most mercurial pair of girls I've ever met at Classic. It's not the best time unfortunately.
Listerine on your chest is so she can lick your nipples and chest.
If it was me, and I did not know others had many, mostly good-to-great experiences, I'd also not want to return after your experiences, but I think you were exceptionally unlucky to have something like that happen two times in a row. And why on earth did you tip the first girl? At best I'd give her a 1000 coin, if I happened to have one on me. Had an experience like that with some girl in Thailand, so I know how annoying that is.
Thinking I might start to bring a coin like that with me to Classic, just in case anything similar happens to me. Maybe two, for a threesome with similarly horrible girls.
I'd give Classic another go if I were you, arriving some hours later. E. g. , 6 pm.
My grab account, originally registered while in Thailand eons ago, also worked fabulous for me. Everything in Jakarta worked great for me. ;-)
Explorer8939
01-16-25, 22:25
I have 9 days to kill during April. Is that too long just to hang out in Jakarta? How long do you usually stay?
Other than Tinder or Bumble, any other dating app that is widely used by FL? Again I am looking for morning to noon fun, and it seems there is none to be had in bars till late afternoon or so.
TIA.Michat is the local one where you can find tons of FLs.
Will be arriving jan28th if anybody wants to join forces.
Michat is the local one where you can find tons of FLs.You mean MiChat or WeChat?
Today I visited 2 places viz; Emporium and KI Royal:
1. Emporium:
Received David's number from one of the forum members through pm along with his reference, I messaged David accordingly and reached the place, met one mamasan in the lift itself while going up to the 1st floor, while getting out of the lift she started explaining the whole proposition, while I got my wristband and mobile phone sealed in a packet, I initially thought this is a water proofing solution (having the pool activity in mind), but it dawned upon me while exiting that this is a anti-camera / picture taking precaution (I liked it). While this mama was accompanying me while I was figuring out what's next, I saw a man sitting on the couch next to reception, gauging by his attire etc, I just asked if he was David, we exchanged pleasantries and the mama with me was pissed, David shrugged her off with smiles and humouring her off. We went to the seating area, he showed me the girls and prices (the known 1. 2 and 1. 4 M), the selection of ladies as mentioned by others is very limited, and ofc not everyone in the line-up is gold and diamond (if you know what I mean), I had a hard time choosing one, because nothing really struck my eye as oh yeah! She is the one, also the girls are in their own zone, I didn't notice anyone making eye contact or a smiling gesture when pointed at or being chosen by customer, anyways I called one up that looked like one of the prettier options (slim, young (she was actually 25 which I asked during latter conv.)), David recommended me someone, he said she is more obedient etc, but I am not a very demanding customer, only assurance I need is of a DFK (which is a must have for me to get in the act) and also the girl needs to meet my fancy of beauty (height, weight, service level take a backseat for me in comparison) so I chose the first girl that I had called (Gia or DIA something), she spoke little english so that was a plus, while she went on to get her package, I had a little chit chat with David and asked for the drinks menu etc, drinks are reasonably priced (ofc higher than other places, but still ok) e. G. A Pint of Bintang was 65 k and Bintang Raddler Lemon was 75 k followed by Heineken being slightly higher, but choices were limited for beers. Once the girl came back after 10 odd minutes we went on for the ride, first to the changing locker, got the right size of shorts. As mentioned by others the infrastructure of the place is top notch, in the locker room, you have everything from shaving kits to perfumes, hair lotions, whatever you could think of, its there. The locker locks and opens by scanning the wrist band which was a good security feature and I felt safe as I am cash only guy and also had my phone and everything stashed in the locker. After changing we went to the pool, which is a hot water pool (so takes a little getting used to), one improvement that they could do is introduce some form of stairs to the pool, as I found it very risky to get in the pool, you need to land directly on the seating area with one leg which is about 2 feet deep in the water, and god forbid if you slip you are in for a severe injury and with my swimming pool experiences till date it is not that much of a stretch. Good thing is they have hot and cold water pools separated within the pool itself (main pool is hot water and then there are small jacuzzi style mini pools with different temp. Water. Anyways once I got in the pool, seated she sat one level higher so she could massage my shoulders (namesake massage, felt like a ritual more than anything else), but combined with the hot pool it was relaxing enough, after some time she came down and sat on my lap, we kissed for few seconds, but she disengaged immed. (saying we do this in room), there guys around ofc since it was evening, but she grinded on johnny for a while and looking at her body up and close got Johnny boy excited (her skin was flawless), she was complaining of being cold throughout the experience got me worried whether she is under the weather / sick or something but she was just feeling cold apparently, once out of the pool, I saw the sauna and steam rooms, and also read the instructions outside, I like to take a steam bath whenever it is available at a massage place, sat in the steam room for 10 odd minutes (felt like I was sweating through all my pores), then as per instructions I went in the cold pool (one with blue lights), to my surprise it was actually ice cold water, so it was more like taking a ice bath afer the steam, but I liked the experience (sat for about 5 minutes in it, dipped my face in the water just for the fun of it), she seemed surprised that I was not feeling cold. I noticed she was being passively distant from the get go (which is usually a sign of a not so good performance later), so I tried my best to cheer her up, bought 2 Bintang Raddler Lemon beers for both of us, and later on got a surprise that she doesn't drink LOL. Went to the showers, where a dry short was equipped on each door (again I liked how well thought out the entire infrastructure and experience is), post shower moved to the room, I couldn't carry my Durex so had to make do the with the Vivo condoms that they have, BTW the room was also very good and clean, equipped with mouthwash for both and everything else that you would need (David tried to pitch a better room at 200 k also, if anyone likes that).
Now on to the act, once in our birthday suits, I noticed that she has a fantastic body, she allowed some kissing but as expected from earlier signs she was distant and avoided getting too much into the act, she was just eager to play with my Johnny and ready to put it in by getting into position (We all know what that means, get in and get out quick) but I am not one to give up so easily, I laid her down, kissed some more, her lipstick smeared of a little on top of her upper lips (a pretty sight), but she didn't open her mouth enough for the DFK, instead kept playing with my lower lips (girls do this to avoid the full DFK experience), anyways I am not one to force my agenda in this regard, so moved on, once I started kissing her neck her body started reacting even if she didn't want to, once I got to her boobs, that is when the fun started, and she started moaning and twitching frantically, my initial thought given the experience so far was that it was probably fake but oh what a joy it was to be wrong about this (hmm! Why? you ask, keep reading!!). Once I was done with her boobs for the time, I went downwards as I liked her body I performed DATY she really started to shake by that time, I also slipped one finger in while my mouth was at work (I was very slow and careful not to hurt her with my fingernails as she was moving uncontrollably), kept one hand on her belly to keep her lower half grounded, I wanted to see her facial expressions so I got up, and loving the sight of her beautiful facial expressions and movement, I slipped another finger in (first time I did this again mostly because of the caution of girl getting hurt by fingernails although they are trimmed I usually only go with 1 finger) but she was wet down there so it was no problem getting 2 fingers in, watching her reactions, I increased the intensity of my strokes after some time almost to a machine like speed and then to my surprise. Pause for effect. Ding, ding, ding. Something wet started coming out of her pussy, I have never experienced it with any of my mongering excursions till date but I had an inkling that she has started squirting and man oh! Man was I right or what, it was like straight out of a porno, she started squirting hard all over my hand and as high as my shoulder (glad I had my face out of the way by now) it was a visible stream after stream spectacle, my entire hand was wet, I was just enjoying the sight while my hand was still at work with the same intensity, she squirted hard 3 times back to back after few seconds intervals. The entire bed was wet and she was a little embarrassed later, but I assured her it was all good, after noticing that she was exhausted, my hand train slowly came to a halt, and as if she was waking from sleep she came to me saying your turn now, rolled on the Vivo condom (I am durex guy, as I have had condom break experiences previously but since my stuff was in the locker, I had no choice here. But I have seen this vivo brand across all establishments in Jakarta so far so its probably popular locally), did CBJ in 2-3 positions, did her in missy (her reactions were ecstatic), I could have finished in missy but decided to vary it to doggy, after another 10 minutes of heavenly pleasures I released in doggy (one thing I noticed in this and my prev. Classic experiences, releasing in doggy feels a bit constricted because of the girls small frame, and it hurt a bit both times while releasing like the nerves were getting jammed while releasing or something). After we got up, she noticed the mess she made of the bed, and she was all giggly and cuddly after the act, we showered together, I finished another bottle of beer that she didn't have dressed up back in the kimono and left the room. She accompanied me till the changing room, I tipped her the mandatory 200 k. Went to the billing counter, got my phone out of the pouch, they apparently added 50 k cover charge+taxes to an already high amount of a bill which was a little prickly. Total damages towards the end was 1. 8 M including the 150 k for 2 beers.
All in all the facilities are top notch 10/10, the girls quantity and quality could use a boost (avg. 6. 5/10), although the girl I picked would be a 8/10.
2. KI: Royal:
Thought I would give second innings a try since I had a day's break yesterday, I went to KI at 12 am, was in no mood to waste time, place was packed with no free seats or couches in sight, strange enough for a weekday if they say that the crowd is all local (I would assume a local crowd has to work the next day). Was accompanied by a mama and finally settled at a bar stool at the bar, I got drink, told mama give me some time to drink first, said ok ok, but came back after 5 minutes, I saw lot of SEA crowd just spending time with the girls in the bar itself rather than taking them to rooms some in large groups and some solo as well, maybe this is why mamas are excited to see foreigners, since Bahasa isn't our forte, we tend to skip to business directly and maybe this is a quicker business for them. Anyways picked a girl from second line-up shown (Chi-chi), I actually came to find the girl that I missed out couple of days back, but neither the mama nor the girl was anywhere to be found, and it was like a zoo in there with so many girls, you may never find the same girl again unless connected on whatsapp or numbers exchanged. The girl I picked on this day was tall and a (6. 5-7/10), since this was my second wind, I wasn't too picky, we had a quick chat, smoked 1 cig each, got her a beer, confirmed on my requirements (her reactions weren't giving me the vibe that I wanted), but just went with the flow. Called mama after some time, and went upstairs (the stairs here were very tall to climb (like each stair was 1+foot high), room was ok with curtain separated shower, door had a glass window which we had to cover up with our clothes. This girl also spoke some english, so points were easier to get through than others, her body was smoking hot and on the fairer side, bigger everything compared to the small frame girls I had till now, but not on the bustier side (I don't like too big). As expected she was a little cold at the beginning and did lot of nakhras (Hindi word for 'no this, no that' very little kissing and wanted me to get straight to business, but I ask her to lay down, kissed for a bit and then sucked her ample but shapely boobs to my heart's content, she started gasping at this point, then moved on to CBJ which she did for very little time and went to throw up multiple times, excuse given was it is too big, as mentioned before I didn't care too much for this encounter to be perfect, so said fine, took her from behind while she leaned on the bed, I was standing up, her one leg was on the floor and one on bed (hope that makes sense), this is more like how 'PublicAgent' does in his videos, learning from my previous encounters this time I went for doggy / this position first, I started getting the reactions that I wanted once I was inside her, while working this semi-doggy positions she didn't leave a single english swear word behind (fuck-fuck-fuck-oooo-oh God, etc. Etc.), I asked her if I can hold her hair while doing it, got an affirmation from her and, took her for a ride while holding her hair (noticed that that these girls use extensions as I could see the clips while I was holding her hairs), this went on for 15 minutes, while I slapped her milky white butt, got some visible finger marks on, switched to missy by this time, I started sweating like crazy and realized that the ac in the room doesn't work, my sweat started dripping on her face (these girls are very conscious about their make-ups, so she turned her head aside, but was still moaning hard, I decided to end it, comfortably unloaded in missy. Showered together, tipped her a 50 k and got out of the place sweating and tired (the weather outside was also pretty hot and humid, unlike other days so far). This is where going out at night is also helpful, there is virtually no traffic, if you don't wear helmet on Gojek bike, you can feel the wind caress your face.
Total damages: 400k (girl)+50k tip, 2 beers (90k)+some taxes=5052000.
BTW while coming back on a Gojek bike, I noticed intermittent big groups of young guys spread across 1-2 km stretch on footpaths on the Khusus expressway / highway, some drinking on the street, then there were some agent / broker kind of people in-between, some guys with jackets and bikes, It was a little intimidating and I was curious since I move around in late hours. I asked my Gojek driver and confirmed my suspicion that they were illegal bike racers, that is better ofc than thugs.
Overall a day of highs and lows but all good in the hood.
I'm writing this after the fact as I couldn't get this forum to load whatever VPN I used.
After a brutal early flight I had many hours to kill then finally checked into Classic. The rooms are basic with no kettle, a fridge / safe that didn't work. The first room had a noisy aircon so I had to change. The design isn't modern so don't expect to find any sockets near the bed.
I went to the 2nd floor at 4. 30 or so and or was pretty quiet. Estimate around 50 girls, quite an aggressive MMS approach me and proceeded to introduce me to every single girl in her harem. Except there was only 7 of them who bothered to show up so early. It was quite funny as she introduced me to a blonde one with perky boobs not once, twice but Four times. The MMS name is Anna, as you're looking at the bar this would be like a 5 pm to locate where her sofa is at, so next to the entrance.
I decided to move around & spotted a sofa with almost 20 ladies then found MMS DIA who intro me to Muti, she looks Chinese had perky boobs & fairly decent legs. Quite pale, I prefer tanned but she just had a healthy look about her. Her English wasn't bad & she had a best friend who was taller & more Indonesian look but she was shy and her body language suggested starfish so I kept Muti & got rid of the other one. I then saw this very curvy tanned girl in white dress and I just thought I'm going to go with the booty. Spoke to her and she's 18, Bingo off we go.
Not sure if Muti was a bit peeved I didn't go with her friend but she seemed to be quite keen to get on with it in the room. She's experienced sure which was the opposite of Natalie the tanned girl. Let's say she almost tried to give me a HJ to get me hard, her BJ was average and she tried to get on top when I wasn't fully hard. Fair enough I was a bit tired for the 2nd round but even if this wasn't the case when I saw she had a bit of baby fat round her tummy and clothes off seemed chubby. Not only that but after 2nd time of trying to get on when I was almost hard enough there was a small blood stain on the bed behind her, she said her period was over but a bit more of a turn off and I just ended the session. Muti asked me for a tip but I just said overall the session wasn't great for me, and I wasn't leaving a tip and walked out.
Went to the showers, where a dry short was equipped on each door (again I liked how well thought out the entire infrastructure and experience is), post shower moved to the room, I couldn't carry my Durex so had to make do the with the Vivo condoms that they have, Another good report. Next time, just unlock your locker after your shower to get your stuff. I take out my phone, and sometimes K-Y (in case of anal), and bring it with me to the room.
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