Jakarta

[Gabacho]

Thanks for the in depth info NoGermaphobe!

By any chance any one know if LV (Elvie) still is at Classic? She is super cute -maybe 24 +/- short 5' 3" big tits and speaks good English. She would have been stationed on the couch to the Right of Classic's T2 immediately once you enter. Anyway. She had encouraged me to bring my Beer into the room. She got some Coffee drink. But come to think of it I had said "Right" to the waitresses in the hotel rooms of Classic. Because I assumed they knew what I had ordered "Beer Cold," "Bintang " and I said "Right" "Right" - then they brought a Sprite to our room. Elvie was smart enough with English to get the mis- communication of "Right and Sprite". Anyway. Got me thinking about her.

And just like Beer choices, sometimes you eat cheap food - like McDonalds Rice!! And sometimes you eat Salmon Steak ! But yeah, I gotta have COLD Beer - drinking luke warm beer with it being watered down by ice just sucks... But then again, I get it. Classic is not a Sky Bar on top of a 5 Star Hotel!!!I've never had a Luke warm beer inside T2 but if you go down to the coffeeshop on the first floor by the main hotel lobby they have the big bottles of Bingtang ice cold for 55 k plus tax.

[Uphill69]

I had been chatting to David via WhatsApp while on the way to classic the night before, booked in for 5 pm as most girls start between 4-5. I wanted a legit massage as I had a few aches that have built up over the last few months.

So after turning up David was waiting for me in the lobby, we head up and I get my phone bagged, David lets me know the updated pricing for girls since my last visit 1. 4 standard and 1. 9 VIP includes better room.

I go get my massage, guy was strong for a little fella, did not realise my calfs needed so much work. Massage was for an hour, was good, then I sat in the spa area for a bit and downed a couple soda waters to help flush the toxins.

David found me and we head up to the lounge to look at the girls, run through my preferences he points out 3-4 who he thinks I will like and I choose a petite girl, who was VIP (black dress).

We chat for a little bit, her English is quite good, I find out later it's all from movies / tiktok and instagram.

Then we head off for the pool, I'm already changed from earlier, but she gets into her bikini and she really is quite cute. Into the pool and we fool around, it was busy earlier when I had a massage and drink, but now it's deserted so we have the place to ourselves.

I try out my Indonesian again and she helps correct a few words and teaches me a couple more, we have a good time and must have been in there for a while, I found she quite enjoyed a passionate kiss.

Then off to the room, with the usual preparations.

On the bed she offered a massage to start, I thought why not. This progressed to kisses over my body, then as a first she asked what I like, so we discussed my desires not anything out of the ordinary and then progressed. BBBJ, with ball sucking, she even managed a bit of DT, she also made the barest indication to check if I wanted a condom for the BJ, but then just jumped to it. Condom on and all positions tried, she had a lot of energy, was able to go for quite a while on top in maple styles, I have no idea how long we went for, but I ended up knackered.

We rested for a bit, and then she started to change the condom to keep going, but then suddenly asked "do you want to cum in my mouth", first time that's been proactively offered, so accepted.

And off she went BBBJ for another little while until I finished, she made sure to get everything and held its while she cleaned me up bit before surreptitiously spitting it out.

Then she cuddled up mostly lying atop me chatting etc.

We stayed until they rang for us to "check out".

Lovely girl, I'the take her again.

All in all I spent 2. 4 mil and 4 hours ish at emporium, sure its pricer than others options but I felt I got value.

[Dickaprio]

WOW! Great find Gaijin. Both of them are cuties. Thanks for the pix (wink).


With pix this time.

[Dickaprio]

I remember visiting Cherry bar in my last trip. Had a great time with a young girl with tattoos. Massage was mediocre but session was good. Didn't know that Lokasari was very close to that place. Next time will explore Lokasari and its offerings. Thanks for the map with Purple markings (wink).

Badoo was helpful both in Bali and Jakarta. Haven't tried the TanTan app.


See attached map. The areas I marked in purple are where mamasans, and their girls, hang out.
I don't know anything about Cherry bar. Thus far I've only been to Travel and Lokasari.

I'm also having some luck on TanTan as well. Just set up a date with a 19 yo civvie student for Tuesday afternoon after her classes. She's looking for 'casual fun' with a foreign guy and wants to come straight to my room to watch porn and play. No money mentioned.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I remember visiting Cherry bar in my last trip. Had a great time with a young girl with tattoos. Massage was mediocre but session was good. Didn't know that Lokasari was very close to that place. Next time will explore Lokasari and its offerings. Thanks for the map with Purple markings (wink).

Badoo was helpful both in Bali and Jakarta. Haven't tried the TanTan app.I had a look in Cherry bar and there was nobody in there so I kept going. Not really a bar guy anyway. And yes, it's just a few meters away from Lok. Enjoy the map. They'll find you before you even have a chance to figure out where you are, LOL. And they're happy to share their Whatsapp and those of their 'friends. '

Tantan has been a bit of a gold mine as well, and Badoo to a lesser degree. All the girls on Tinder have been hardcore pros. Nah thanks.

[LetMeIn6969]

Does she have tattoos covering her see section scar? If not, can you tell me her name?


I had been chatting to David via WhatsApp while on the way to classic the night before, booked in for 5 pm as most girls start between 4-5. I wanted a legit massage as I had a few aches that have built up over the last few months.

So after turning up David was waiting for me in the lobby, we head up and I get my phone bagged, David lets me know the updated pricing for girls since my last visit 1. 4 standard and 1. 9 VIP includes better room.

I go get my massage, guy was strong for a little fella, did not realise my calfs needed so much work. Massage was for an hour, was good, then I sat in the spa area for a bit and downed a couple soda waters to help flush the toxins.

David found me and we head up to the lounge to look at the girls, run through my preferences he points out 3-4 who he thinks I will like and I choose a petite girl, who was VIP (black dress)..

[Pk099]

I had been chatting to David via WhatsApp while on the way to classic the night before, booked in for 5 pm as most girls start between 4-5. I wanted a legit massage as I had a few aches that have built up over the last few months.

So after turning up David was waiting for me in the lobby, we head up and I get my phone bagged, David lets me know the updated pricing for girls since my last visit 1. 4 standard and 1. 9 VIP includes better room.

I go get my massage, guy was strong for a little fella, did not realise my calfs needed so much work. Massage was for an hour, was good, then I sat in the spa area for a bit and downed a couple soda waters to help flush the toxins.

....Was the massage in pool area? Or in the room? And was it a guy doing massage or a girl?

[SuperLove]

Both are very cute and at 400 K a no brainer, lokasari has definitely better girls than classic and if topped with better service then man o man! Try to get her friendly contacts and expand your lokasari database, well done my man.


With pix this time.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Both are very cute and at 400 K a no brainer, lokasari has definitely better girls than classic and if topped with better service then man o man! Try to get her friendly contacts and expand your lokasari database, well done my man.Thanks mate. I wholeheartedly agree. Service was awesome too, I may have forgotten to mention that. I the week or so that I've been hanging out in Mangga Besar, I've estimated a dozen or so of these girls who can be found just about every day from mid-afternoon till very late. I made the mistake of giving one my Whatsapp and now she starts calling me incessantly every once in a while. Very cute though very, very good. I think I finally convinced her to stop, but without fail, she's there every time I take a craving for some KFC, LOL!

Will explore a bit further once I get my strength back up. Curious about Glodok (Chinatown). One of my goals this trip is to bang a hot Chindo girl but haven't see one on the streets yet.

TanTan and Michat are still proving to be very productive hunting grounds.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

WOW! Great find Gaijin. Both of them are cuties. Thanks for the pix (wink).No worries, mate. I'll post more as the horizon expands.

[Pk099]

No idea why my last report asking for information was not uploaded. Trying again though.

I will arrive Jakarta again in June for about 2 weeks and will go RAW with all girls just like last time. Plan to do more than 18-20 girls this trip including DATY BBFS Anal Rimming and was wondering if brethren here could guide me how to avoid diseases including STD's. Pleasssse suggest and advise precautions to be taken before during and after the trip. Merci beaucoup.Bro, I will be there 2nd week of June (16 to 20), if you there lets plan to meet up.

[EvanMorris]

I used to go to Malioboro but stopped going after the girls didn't go fully naked anymore. Are there still any bars where the girls will dance fully naked, or are these times over?

[Mogwai]

I'm considering a trip to Jakarta, for the first time (first time Indonesia as well). I've almost finished reading back from about November last year, but I'm not convinced (yet) if I should do it.
I'm a white guy, early 60's, tall, slim, and not that bad looking if I may say so myself. I hate condoms and am only after BBFSCIP from young ladies, preferably between 18 - 25. I can quite easily get that from 6's, 7's, and the occasional 8 in Pattaya, my usual hunting ground. So I'm wondering if it's worth all the hassle. I want to combine it with a trip to Thailand: two weeks Pattaya and one week Jakarta.
Some guys here seem to have loads of fun and say it's heaven on earth, while others are less enthusiastic and say it's OK but no more than that.

So what are the pros and cons of the girls in Jakarta, compared to the girls in Pattaya? Are the Jakarta girls generally sweeter, and do they give a better GFE? Or is that really hit or miss?
Or are you guys only going here because the girls are cheaper?

And another question: if I book a trip, I will arrive at the airport around 6 PM. So I guess I will have gone through immigration and collected my luggage around 7 or 7:30 PM. Will the rush hour be over by then and can I take a cab, or is it better to take the subway? I think I will be staying at the Redtop Hotel.

[XXL]

I'm considering a trip to Jakarta, for the first time (first time Indonesia as well). I've almost finished reading back from about November last year, but I'm not convinced (yet) if I should do it.
I'm a white guy, early 60's, tall, slim, and not that bad looking if I may say so myself. I hate condoms and am only after BBFSCIP from young ladies, preferably between 18 - 25. I can quite easily get that from 6's, 7's, and the occasional 8 in Pattaya, my usual hunting ground. So I'm wondering if it's worth all the hassle. I want to combine it with a trip to Thailand: two weeks Pattaya and one week Jakarta.
Some guys here seem to have loads of fun and say it's heaven on earth, while others are less enthusiastic and say it's OK but no more than that.

So what are the pros and cons of the girls in Jakarta, compared to the girls in Pattaya? Are the Jakarta girls generally sweeter, and do they give a better GFE? Or is that really hit or miss?
Or are you guys only going here because the girls are cheaper?

And another question: if I book a trip, I will arrive at the airport around 6 PM. So I guess I will have gone through immigration and collected my luggage around 7 or 7:30 PM. Will the rush hour be over by then and can I take a cab, or is it better to take the subway? I think I will be staying at the Redtop Hotel.The only major con of Jakarta compared to TH is in Jakarta anal may be hard to get. I don't do anal, so not a problem for me.

My flight (from Bangkok) also landed at about that time. No problem taking a taxi to Jalan Peconongan. The ride lasted about 45 minutes. I guess at that time the rush hour is out of town. Since we're driving into town, no problem.

[Goferring]

So what are the pros and cons of the girls in Jakarta, compared to the girls in Pattaya? Are the Jakarta girls generally sweeter, and do they give a better GFE? Jakarta Pro: outside of the hardcore bordellos BBCIP and GFE are very available. Even inside these, cash often talks. Jakarta girls are far less commercial than Pattaya. Easy to approach in the street. Not everyone will go with you but those that do are better quality. On average English is better. You don't say if you want ST, LT or fall in love but very low likelihood of runners or scammers. Jakarta is a major city with lots of cash floating around so everything from 10/10 models to overpass skanks are available. Surgeries are basically unheard of. Like for like, costs are waaay lower.

Cons: Traffic and layout. Jakarta is not walkable and the areas with lots of bars close together are now dead. You go to one club then travel to another. You don't pub crawl all night.

Pattaya Pros:

Pure availablity and that's it. 1000's of girls to choose from within walking distance.

In summary: if budget isn't a concern and you want immediate availability of a gazillion girls, then stay in Pattaya; if you want sweeter girls that may require a little more work, but know how to say thanks, then go to Jakarta.

G.

[Expat American]

I'm considering a trip to Jakarta, for the first time (first time Indonesia as well). I've almost finished reading back from about November last year, but I'm not convinced (yet) if I should do it.
I'm a white guy, early 60's, tall, slim, and not that bad looking if I may say so myself. I hate condoms and am only after BBFSCIP from young ladies, preferably between 18 - 25. I can quite easily get that from 6's, 7's, and the occasional 8 in Pattaya, my usual hunting ground. So I'm wondering if it's worth all the hassle. I want to combine it with a trip to Thailand: two weeks Pattaya and one week Jakarta.
Some guys here seem to have loads of fun and say it's heaven on earth, while others are less enthusiastic and say it's OK but no more than that.

So what are the pros and cons of the girls in Jakarta, compared to the girls in Pattaya? Are the Jakarta girls generally sweeter, and do they give a better GFE? Or is that really hit or miss?
Or are you guys only going here because the girls are cheaper?

And another question: if I book a trip, I will arrive at the airport around 6 PM. So I guess I will have gone through immigration and collected my luggage around 7 or 7:30 PM. Will the rush hour be over by then and can I take a cab, or is it better to take the subway? I think I will be staying at the Redtop Hotel.Jakarta is not Pattaya. The scene is geared to locals and works in its own way. I hate the plastic tattooed Thai girls and the commercial nature of sex in Pattaya. But if you want to hang out in bars buying ladies drinks etc then Jakarta is not the place. If you want sweeter unjaded natural younger girls, this is the place. But if you love Pattaya I suggest staying there because Jakarta is nothing like that.

[Mogwai]

You don't say if you want ST, LT or fall in love but very low likelihood of runners or scammers. I'm a wham bam thank you ma'am kind of guy, so ST is what I'm after. I hardly ever do LT anymore.



Cons: Traffic and layout. Jakarta is not walkable and the areas with lots of bars close together are now dead. You go to one club then travel to another. You don't pub crawl all night. I'm not interested in pub crawling, and I prefer to have my sessions in the afternoon or early evening. So for my first trip I think I will stick to Classic and maybe Lokasari.
But Classic is also one of the reasons that I'm hesitating, because I do not really like bars and clubs. In Thailand I use Thai Friendly for the most part.

[Goferring]

In Thailand I use Thai Friendly for the most part.Online really isn't Jakarta strong suit. Not impossible but nowhere near as effective nor as time efficient as TF in Pattaya.

Classic, Travel etc are technically bars but you won't get pestered if you don't want to. Just be reasonably assertive that you want to sit first and relax.

G.

[Asian Rain]

So for my first trip I think I will stick to Classic and maybe Lokasari. But Classic is also one of the reasons that I'm hesitating, because I do not really like bars and clubs.There is nothing like Jakarta for its cornucopia of sex options, however the North Jakarta venues which are spoken most about on this thread are utterly unlike Pattaya. The blaring music and chain smoking patrons of venues like Travel, Kota Indah bars and Classic leave me with ringing ears and reeking clothes. Despite some saying that no condom is nearly a given with tipping in Classic or Travel, there are now several contrary reports on the certainty of BBFS at these venues with some girls. So I suggest to negotiate that aspect of the service directly with the girl, discreetly using Google Translate, before committing in these venues.

As for Lokasari, not much to add to what has been said below. As a newbie without contacts, you will probably encounter the same girls like Ranti, Icha, Angun, Caca, Ferah, Ayu, Fatemae, Melati, Puput, Nca, Tiara, Dina, etc (see pics posted earlier by others) that hang out daily. They will all happily take your creampie without fail, with all the STD risk that comes with the territory. Some of the girls are quite sweet, others are rather hardened. If you prefer your sessions earlier, then Lokasari will not be so good as most of the girls don't come out until after dusk, although there are exceptions. Get the WhatsApp from mamasan or the bug eyed pimp and they will flood you with messages flogging their stock of girls for daytime hookups. You will be more successful getting your preferences if you use Google Translate to communicate in Bahasa.

I would recommend giving Jakarta a try, even if only for a unique mongering experience. It honestly takes more time and effort to really optimize and expand your options, so don't expect the moon on your first shot. For me, there is something about the talent in Indonesia that keeps me coming back. To illustrate, I share a sweet as sugar 19 yo who rode me cowgirl to completion then looked back lovingly into the camera as I filmed the pull-out. If you are getting similar in Pattaya, then probably no benefit. If you pull the trigger, let us know how it goes. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

... you will probably encounter the same girls like Ranti, Icha, Angun, Caca, Ferah, Ayu, Fatemae, Melati, Puput, Nca, Tiara, Dina, etc (see pics posted earlier by others) that hang out daily. They will all happily take your creampie without fail, with all the STD risk that comes with the territory. Some of the girls are quite sweet, others are rather hardened. If you prefer your sessions earlier, then Lokasari will not be so good as most of the girls don't come out until after dusk, although there are exceptions. Get the WhatsApp from mamasan or the bug eyed pimp and they will flood you with messages flogging their stock of girls for daytime hookups. You will be more successful getting your preferences if you use Google Translate to communicate in Bahasa....Exactly! Icha is the doggy style girl I posted earlier and Ranti is the one with the goofy ears on her head while blowing me.

Thanks for adding to my reports.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I'm considering a trip to Jakarta, for the first time (first time Indonesia as well). I've almost finished reading back from about November last year, but I'm not convinced (yet) if I should do it.
I'm a white guy, early 60's, tall, slim, and not that bad looking if I may say so myself. I hate condoms and am only after BBFSCIP from young ladies, preferably between 18 - 25. I can quite easily get that from 6's, 7's, and the occasional 8 in Pattaya, my usual hunting ground. So I'm wondering if it's worth all the hassle. I want to combine it with a trip to Thailand: two weeks Pattaya and one week Jakarta.
Some guys here seem to have loads of fun and say it's heaven on earth, while others are less enthusiastic and say it's OK but no more than that.

So what are the pros and cons of the girls in Jakarta, compared to the girls in Pattaya? Are the Jakarta girls generally sweeter, and do they give a better GFE? Or is that really hit or miss?
Or are you guys only going here because the girls are cheaper?

And another question: if I book a trip, I will arrive at the airport around 6 PM. So I guess I will have gone through immigration and collected my luggage around 7 or 7:30 PM. Will the rush hour be over by then and can I take a cab, or is it better to take the subway? I think I will be staying at the Redtop Hotel.As someone who lived in Asia from 2000-2015 and am visiting again right now, I would say Jakarta is where you want to be 100%. I'm also mid-60's, decent looking guy and friendly, so there is no shortage of exactly what you are looking for here. I've done Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam. There's no comparison if you want young, good looking, zero inhibitions girls for as little as 300 k IDR anytime you want. Lokasari is my go-to destination, then Classic, then Travel. But I also spend a lot of time online using Michat and Tantan, which have proven to be gold mines. As far as hotels, I highly recommend Sparks Life or Luminor if you want to be within 3 min walk of Lokasari and only about 5 from Travel. Tons of food around here as well.

[Gabacho]

The only major con of Jakarta compared to TH is in Jakarta anal may be hard to get. I don't do anal, so not a problem for me.

My flight (from Bangkok) also landed at about that time. No problem taking a taxi to Jalan Peconongan. The ride lasted about 45 minutes. I guess at that time the rush hour is out of town. Since we're driving into town, no problem.I agree 100% on the anal. It's basically almost impossible to get girls to do anal in Indonesia, atleast in my experience. That being said I would recommend Jakarta over Pattaya any day. The value for money here is unbeatable and it's not saturated with holiday-goers on every corner. I'm consistently getting BBFSCIP for 300 k rupiah ($18 usd) from lokasari girls and 400 k rupiah ($24 usd) from my civvies / semi-pros. In Pattaya, you will be paying more than that, with the bad exchange rate that is now the reality, even 1000 baht is over $30.

Not only is sex cheaper in Jakarta but so is food, lodging and transportation. I pay like 10 k to 15 k for my gojek rides. A complete dinner with ayam goreng, nasi putih, and Tempe Goreng costs me like 25 k from the street tents and my airbnb is like 120 k per day.

In Thailand a steak dinner at Patrick's will run you over $30 and in Jakarta the same quality steak dinner will cost you $8 at Jonisteak.

Venues like classic and travel are straight forward 365 k for the session no bullshit lady drinks to buy beforehand and if you do buy your girl a beer it's the same price as a regular beer you buy for yourself. Jakarta is straight up value and Pattaya is a tourist rip-off trying to milk every baht from your farang man boobs.

That being said, I do like the convenience of Thai Friendly. Having girls show up to your door at 4 am 20 minutes after first contact is quite impressive. Bareback sex is equally available in both locations. If you like fried pork belly there's more of that in Pattaya however I found a Chinese restaurant actually run by and catering to ethnic Chinese that serves pork belly here in Jakarta and it's actually near lokasari right across the street from hotel safari, alas it was overpriced compared to regular Indonesian food.

It's really going to come down to personal preference, if money is no concern then Pattaya may be better suited to him, but if he wants the most value then I'd go with Jakarta.

-Gabacho.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I agree 100% on the anal. It's basically almost impossible to get girls to do anal in Indonesia, atleast in my experience. That being said I would recommend Jakarta over Pattaya any day. The value for money here is unbeatable and it's not saturated with holiday-goers on every corner. I'm consistently getting BBFSCIP for 300 k rupiah ($18 usd) from lokasari girls and 400 k rupiah ($24 usd) from my civvies / semi-pros. In Pattaya, you will be paying more than that, with the bad exchange rate that is now the reality, even 1000 baht is over $30.

Not only is sex cheaper in Jakarta but so is food, lodging and transportation. I pay like 10 k to 15 k for my gojek rides. A complete dinner with ayam goreng, nasi putih, and Tempe Goreng costs me like 25 k from the street tents and my airbnb is like 120 k per day.

In Thailand a steak dinner at Patrick's will run you over $30 and in Jakarta the same quality steak dinner will cost you $8 at Jonisteak.

Venues like classic and travel are straight forward 365 k for the session no bullshit lady drinks to buy beforehand and if you do buy your girl a beer it's the same price as a regular beer you buy for yourself. Jakarta is straight up value and Pattaya is a tourist rip-off trying to milk every baht from your farang man boobs..That's spot on with what I've been paying. Where is this Airbnb of which you speak? Although I'm quite happy where I am, I'd probably prefer an Airbnb if it's still walkable to Lokasari.

[Mogwai]

Thanks a lot for the extensive replies and advise, guys. I really appreciate it, and will definitely post a report if I decide to go.

[LetMeIn6969]

My success with anal is 75% with Classic and Emporium girls. You just have to fuck them good and ease them into it. I guess me being an Asian guy with average size dick helped, too!

[Gabacho]

That's spot on with what I've been paying. Where is this Airbnb of which you speak? Although I'm quite happy where I am, I'd probably prefer an Airbnb if it's still walkable to Lokasari.It's not close to lokasari it's in pasar baru area about a 5 - 10 minute walk south of Classic. I like the area though. Lots of cheap food options and a little less busy than the mangga besar area, especially at night. On gojek it's about 10 k - 15 k to get to lokasari / mangga besar. I noticed tho that there is a metro station nearby called Sawah Besar and the next stop up is mangga besar so I may start trying to take the metro and learn how to ride it. It looks very similar to the metro in Medellin, Colombia which I have extensive experience with so I'm kinda curious to just buy a card and hop on the train and ride around Jakarta and see where it goes LOL.

Gabacho.

[FFlintstone69]

Update 21/05/2025.


I picked a dark skinned girl that was sitting on the front bench toward the end of the 2nd set of bleechers (past the stage on the left).

She turned out to not be so great. Inexperienced in a bad way. Blow job skills were lacking, it felt like I was just putting my pecker into a hollow mouth bubble. Then she made me use a condom which just killed the entire vibe. It's like why do I go to the trouble to have a vasectomy and take all these different antibiotics antivirals and vaccines just to still use a condom. Needless to say I wasn't able to cum. Just not my cup of hierro.



-Gabacho.I have a question to anyone that can chime in, I have an important question that might help everyone instead of all of the bickering and squabbling from so many in this thread.

If arranging BBFS via tips is so easy in the room, why can't it just be arranged before paying for the room?

TIA.

[CurtisMack]

The next day I sent David a text that I was coming back and I wanted to see Ria again. He arranged everything, I arrived 5 minutes early for my appointment, David had reception check me in and then he brought me to the lounge where Ria was already waiting for me. We picked up where we left off yesterday but this time we did the dry sauna and futon relaxation area before heading to the bedroom. Ria was just as hot and did not disappoint on this go around, just fantastic service all around. After we finished up and started cuddling she asked how long I would be staying in Jakarta. I let her know I would be there for a few more weeks. She said her day off was Sunday. I took that as a hint she wanted to hang out. I told her to come visit me on Sunday and we can go for lunch and a swim. She seemed excited by that prospect so we exchanged contact info and planned a meet up for Sunday.Hey man I found your field reports while searching through the thread, and I definitely want to hear the rest! I like your style. I too like to splurge when I travel and have dealt with my share of responses from cheap charlies on this board haha. Especially looking forward to your reports from seeking and other experiences outside of establishments. Hoping you have more to share!

P.S. It's wild that people complain about you tipping 500 K what is that like 30 bucks?

[Irish Mongrel]

And another question: if I book a trip, I will arrive at the airport around 6 PM. So I guess I will have gone through immigration and collected my luggage around 7 or 7:30 PM. Will the rush hour be over by then and can I take a cab, or is it better to take the subway? I think I will be staying at the Redtop Hotel.Absolutely 100%, everybody has to try it at least once.

Get yourself an eVOA and then you can use the Automatic gates. Remember to also do your online customs and health check (although nobody looked at that when I last entered). If you are traveling lite then it is straight out to taxi / Grab within about 30 minutes of landing, if that. Was there last week and the process is quick, I arrived very early morning, and if I only had carry on I would have been land side in 10 minutes! The roads will be busy at 6 pm, even on a dry day. For reference it took me 1-1/2 hours to do the 11 km from North Jakarta to Senayan at 6 pm on a Tuesday, felt sorry for the Grab driver as the fair was only about 7 $.

Don't know about a week in Jakarta though, you may get bored very quickly. It is really a city with fuck all else to do. Probably the other reason why it has never lost its charm from a P4 P perspective. It ain't loaded with tourists. It's a gateway to Indo and business city, that's it. If you wanted to see the sites you are done in a day, even considering the traffic.

[Mogwai]

We then both showered together and I forgot how to say towel so I grabbed the towel and was like "ini nama?" and she replied "handuk" then I remembered LOL.As a Dutchman I thought this was funny, because the Dutch word for towel is 'handdoek', which is pronounced almost the same as 'handuk'.
This is probably not a coincidence, with Holland being the former colonizer of Indonesia.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

It's not close to lokasari it's in pasar baru area about a 5 - 10 minute walk south of Classic. I like the area though. Lots of cheap food options and a little less busy than the mangga besar area, especially at night. On gojek it's about 10 k - 15 k to get to lokasari / mangga besar. I noticed tho that there is a metro station nearby called Sawah Besar and the next stop up is mangga besar so I may start trying to take the metro and learn how to ride it. It looks very similar to the metro in Medellin, Colombia which I have extensive experience with so I'm kinda curious to just buy a card and hop on the train and ride around Jakarta and see where it goes LOL..I'll look in that area then, thanks. Yeah the metro could be very useful. I haven't had time to try it yet, but definitely plan to. Love riding the rails in Singapore and BKK. Gives on another way to potentially connect with civvies too.

[Goferring]

As a Dutchman I thought this was funny, because the Dutch word for towel is 'handdoek', which is pronounced almost the same as 'handuk'.
This is probably not a coincidence, with Holland being the former colonizer of Indonesia.There are hundreds of them. For the same reason there are also parallels to Afrikaans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_loanwords_in_Indonesian

[Uphill69]

A couple days of non-mongering activities and I am back in Jakarta.

Arrived evening of the 25th, and popped over to classic hopping to catch mama ivon.

Unfortunately she did not appear to be working another mama pinned me down Diat / Dion maybe, I was weak and tired and just wanted to pop, so let her bring a line up.

One girl stood out to me Mayang, taller than I normally go for, maybe 5,8" but skinny, no baby, and what appeared to a nice pair of boobs.

Straight off to the room, no drink.

In the room we strip down and she was as expected, tall, slim with a nice handful.

Unfortunately performance was not great, BBBJ was toothy, perhaps I'm a bit girthy, minimal kissing, and she had no technique on top, tried all the usual positions, but just was not happening, could be because I was tired, she did try though, after 30 minutes or so I was really buggered, ended up finishing by hand with her sucking my balls, not the worst way to finish but is usually number 5-6 on the list.

Gave her 100 k tip as she never said no to any of my requests and put up with me pounding her in multiple repeat positions. She did ask for more but I shut that down.

Not on the repeat list for me, I need to stick with what I like which tend to be the shorter girls.

I was out of classic and back to the hotel in just over an hour of arriving.

26th.

Spent majority of the day at the hotel, had some work to catch up on, body was aching from non-mongering activities so called the spa to book a massage but they asked me to come down as english over the phone was bad and I could not make my Bahasa understood.

So hit the spa and there is a chubby girl at the desk, in her twenties, maybe a 6 on my scale, I was not looking for anything special just needed the aches worked out, even though the prices are set, she tried to negotiate a higher price 😉 I pointed out the set price, plus the discount I was entitled to, and that was settled, 90 minutes was still about double what I paid for the bloke in emporium.

Head to the massage room, strip down to my birthday suit and she starts the massage, which was actually pretty good, had the strength to really get into the muscles, I could tell from the start she was going to tickle my balls at every opportunity and was not disappointed.

On the flip she continued her good massage, and also worked the upper inner thigh with enough tease to get me to half-mast. So at about the hour mark she made her offer of a special massage, I was still of the mind not have a release, but asked her what she was offering, and everything was on the table, nude handjob, BJ or FS, and the price was what would I offer her, which I kind of find annoying, so I joked I'g give her 5000 for a BJ, then we had a bit of banter, she wanted 500 k for a nude handjob, I counter 200 k for a BJ and I say I am not convinced I want a special, so she went back to massage, but this time focused on the inner thigh and perineum, which did get me hard, so I said to myself what the hell, and we agreed 300 k for nude HJ with a bi of BJ and nipple sucking.

Now when she go to it, her BJ was so-so, but her HJ was very good, probably top 5, almost made me blow after a few minutes, but when I told her to back off as I wanted to last longer, she pulled back and so I had a really good 20 min cock and balls massage, she had a good instinct of my sensitivity level and would ease off so I did not cum until I wanted to, finally she finished me off with one of her tits in my mouth to stifle my moans so other patrons did not overhear.

Chubby girls are really not usually my type, but her service was excellent. Made me a sweet ginger tea after too.

Evening 26th,

Even though I'the had a decent pop in the afternoon, I thought I'the hit up classic a little later, got there about 8. 30, hopping to find Ivon again, but apparently she is still not working, picked up by a mama maybe Anira or similar, mole on her chin, got a table and soda water, she asks about ladies and I give my preferences.

I get a huge lineup, like 20+, and here I make a mistake, I spot one girl immediately cute small, big tits in a sailors uniform, but after I do the full circle there is a space where she was, so she either let, or some other mama or guy grabbed her, you snooze you lose, anyway there was another girl who had a bit of a different look with long wavy hair, which I am a sucker for and she was slim, pretty in innocent way, though her teeth were a little crooked, mama promised she gave good service (iv'e heard that line before), but was happy to chat with her for a bit, limited English but we got by with my limited Bahasa and her limited English, Her name is Mayang, 23, from Bandung and had only been working at classic for 7 days, My alarm bells started ringing her being new can mean poor service, but 365 k is cheap and so I think again what the hell, might end up being awesome, and if not I'll just come out an find another.

I offered her a drink and she ordered an avocado smoothie, then off to the room, and she deposited her drink with friends on the way to finish later. (I think I just paid for her dinner as it was 48 k).

Anyway in the room and undress and she was very slim almost too slim, but no baby so firm skin all over and sunken nipples. She did appear to have alot of bruises on her legs and butt her body from the waist up was unblemished, I asked about it and she said they were from mosquito's and I am assuming her butt was bruised from sitting on hard ground or similar.

Anyway, not starting off great, but we wash up I lay her down and try some kissing, she is willing, but I think quite inexperienced, so it was not great, kind of opened her mouth and hardened her lips over her teeth, tried to get her to relax as she had nice thick soft lips, but alas little success, so she sucked my nipples then I sucked hers with some fingering, which she sounded like she enjoyed.

Onto a BBBJ and she was not bad, not great, but better than I expected, hardly any tooth and she could get most of the way down and kept going for maybe 10 minutes, got pretty slobbery so had to clean up before getting the dom on, needed lube as she was small, but once going she was not bad on top, but tired after a while, which is just a practice / stamina thing given she is new, went to doggy, missionary, her on top again and prone bone, but she had no pelvic floor muscles so after a while felt nothing.

And then the bloody phone rang, I swear it was only 30 minutes in, but I forgot to set my timer so only going from a glance at my phone, but it was like 9. 20 and I only arrive at classic at 8. 30 per my grab and I'the sat had a drink etc.

To her credit we did keep trying for a few minutes, but I'the lost the will, so showered and got dressed.

I did give her a tip as I could not fault effort, she took all directions, and did it with a smile, the session cut short was the dodgy maintenance crew as it was busy and they were trying to turn over rooms, I had some words for them on the way out, not that they care but I felt better.

Saw her off, then went back to my table, it had been reset but I just plonked myself there and got another couple drinks over the next hour, also bought a couple dancers a shot for the hell of it, 40 k each, and for that they sat in my lap for a few minutes, groped me a bit, let me grope them quick kiss and then off to the next sucker.

About 10.30 felt I had my strength back for another session, I should have walked the couches, but did not, instead had a mama bring me some ladies, the pickings were slimmer than earlier, but one girl in the group appear very friendly, close to my type, but maybe a 7 so I told the mama I wanted to chat with her for a bit, enthusiasm can make up for a lot, she was exceptionally friendly and touchy which was different from most, ViVi apparently 19 but I'the say mid twenties she's slim but possibly a little bit of baby damage, was hard to quantify. She appear a little kooky and I probably should have bailed, again, but sometimes the kooky ones can provide good service.

Off to the room we go, I remember to remind the staff I have 1 hour so don't call early.

So we get one of the smallest rooms, barely space to put anything. She lay on the bed and pretends to go to sleep, and I think great, she is one of those who like to play around, so I play along, snuggle up and we embrace in bed like lovers with a bit of kissing, all good, then off to the shower.

We wash separately, and to be honest sometimes that is easier. Then onto the bed and she is teasing me with a BBBJ and then starts trying to negotiate a tip, that's a big turn off, I tell her that's something we can discuss after if I have a good time, anyway, her BBBJ is average, only takes the head in, though she does lick up and down the shaft and balls, I finger her a bit and she seems small, so might be interesting, anyway on with the Dom and some lube and she gets on top and sinks all the way down and starts grinding, 😞 no real technique, I try reposition her a few times, then decide I'll have to take control in missionary or doggy so I pull out and I notice she has a tissue in her hand which she uses to white the dom and herself and its red, warning, warning, danger will Robinson. Oh oh, what's going on her, I suspect her period started and she knew and hoped to hide it, she then says its because I am too big, but I don't by it, she wants me to continue, which seals my confirmation that she knew, almost every girl Iv'e know p4 p or otherwise who has had an unexpected bleed has wanted to stop.

Iv'e had sex sex with partners before at the start or end of periods, if they are keen also as its a known scenario, but blood with an unknown even when I am almost positive its a period is a big no no, so I hop in the shower and clean up, she keeps going on about tidak bagus and pointing to her pussy which means "not good" and that she is so sorry etc, I check the time and we still have 25 minutes, she cleans up also then offer a BJ, so I let her go for it and eventually take over an finish with her sucking my balls.

That's 2 days in a row, and it's all my own fault breaking my usual criteria.

At least I got full room time, had a proper 10 min warning call and my alarm went off as we walked out of the room and I had set it as we walked in. Got to take your wins as they come. .

So a reminder to self.

You snooze you lose.

Don't deviate from your preferences, you have them for a reason.

[Didier5810]

There is nothing like Jakarta for its cornucopia of sex options, however the North Jakarta venues which are spoken most about on this thread are utterly unlike Pattaya. The blaring music and chain smoking patrons of venues like Travel, Kota Indah bars and Classic leave me with ringing ears and reeking clothes. Despite some saying that no condom is nearly a given with tipping in Classic or Travel, there are now several contrary reports on the certainty of BBFS at these venues with some girls. So I suggest to negotiate that aspect of the service directly with the girl, discreetly using Google Translate, before committing in these venues.

As for Lokasari, not much to add to what has been said below. As a newbie without contacts, you will probably encounter the same girls like Ranti, Icha, Angun, Caca, Ferah, Ayu, Fatemae, Melati, Puput, Nca, Tiara, Dina, etc (see pics posted earlier by others) that hang out daily. They will all happily take your creampie without fail, with all the STD risk that comes with the territory. Some of the girls are quite sweet, others are rather hardened. If you prefer your sessions earlier, then Lokasari will not be so good as most of the girls don't come out until after dusk, although there are exceptions. Get the WhatsApp from mamasan or the bug eyed pimp and they will flood you with messages flogging their stock of girls for daytime hookups. You will be more successful getting your preferences if you use Google Translate to communicate in Bahasa.

I would recommend giving Jakarta a try, even if only for a unique mongering experience. It honestly takes more time and effort to really optimize and expand your options, so don't expect the moon on your first shot. For me, there is something about the talent in Indonesia that keeps me coming back. To illustrate, I share a sweet as sugar 19 yo who rode me cowgirl to completion then looked back lovingly into the camera as I filmed the pull-out. If you are getting similar in Pattaya, then probably no benefit. If you pull the trigger, let us know how it goes. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.Long time not seeing your fantastic review and happy to see this nice photo which makes me horny!

[LetMeIn6969]

Does Nia miss the guy from Thailand?I wanted to thank you for posting about Nia. She and Icha were the first girls I met in Classic and it was great that I came back the second night to the same girls. Sadly, she just got married (her husband texted me asking for the anal video "for memory", haha).

[LetMeIn6969]

Yea but it's with a condom on so it's not real anal.

Might as well just put a condom on and jack off it's the same fucking thing LOL.

Gabacho.I'm not a risk taker like you. I enjoy the journey, not every journey has to have a destination if you know what I mean. I like interaction with the girls, bare dick to pussy contact is secondary for me.

[Werqweq]

I wanted to thank you for posting about Nia. She and Icha were the first girls I met in Classic and it was great that I came back the second night to the same girls. Sadly, she just got married (her husband texted me asking for the anal video "for memory", haha).Wow, that's too funny. Husband must be an open-minded guy. I remember her as a pleasant girl with some humor, so good for her.

[GuyReynolds]

Anyone know what days are best for which specific bars / clubs? Read somewhere that Club H is best on Wednesdays to party, possibly try to pick up some civvies. I enjoy the nightlife, hitting up clubs and bars in the cities I monger. Helps to me from dulling my other attributes, and keep them sharp. Its nice and easy to pay for it, due to convenience, but nice to know you can still get freebies with some effort while enjoying the thrill of the hunt.

[FFlintstone69]

I believe another member asked me this too or said something about rolling the bareback dice killing his vibe or something like that, so I'll answer you both with this post. Allow me to elaborate.

I have found in my mongering experiences over the years that asking for bareback or no condom before hand (and especially if other people are around or can hear) can potentially scare off girls who might have said yes in private and cause them to say no. This is especially true if they are in a group with other girls.

What I like to do is when I talk to them before going to the room I try to read their personality if they are friendly and have a good personality that is a good sign. I will also ask if they do massage (kamu bisa pijit?) if they answer yes to that question that's another good sign, it means they are willing to do extra work to make sure you are satisfied, if they answer no to the pijit question it means they are lazy and don't really care if you are satisfied and I interpret that to be a precursor to a bad session and I will send them back to the sofa if they answer that question with a no..Mine is a bit different, I feel I'm a bit more rigid about this (pun not intended), I cannot stay hard with a condom at all, and I've never pulled out once in my entire life.

That's cumming via my hand I may as well use Pornhub for free, and gambling by rolling the dice seems like it could cause issues I don't want to pay and just leave the room if that wasn't bad enough.

If I completely abort the mission and ignore the cost of the session she may go out and tell others don't go with him he only wants BBFS, sure that could happen pre-asking as well, but at least I'm not paying for that to happen, this is another reason I avoid the place (places with pre-set rules are garbage to me).

Many thanks again.

In all seriousness I believe many feminist NGOs (ala Gates Foundation) and others promote condoms to destroy demand.

Because what man in his right mind would fly so far to pay to screw 3rd world WGs with a full body condom.

That is mind boggling and has absolutely zero value to me.

[Chilli1]

Anyone know what days are best for which specific bars / clubs? Read somewhere that Club H is best on Wednesdays to party, possibly try to pick up some civvies. I enjoy the nightlife, hitting up clubs and bars in the cities I monger. Helps to me from dulling my other attributes, and keep them sharp. Its nice and easy to pay for it, due to convenience, but nice to know you can still get freebies with some effort while enjoying the thrill of the hunt.How long you will stay.

You can go to kemang bars resto but some will expect many.

I had several meet as date from tinder who asked for many after finish leaving room.

If there are long stay guys here they can share about their locations.

If you younger age white.

[Uphill69]

ISG been so flaky the the few days.

27 May Emporium.

Redemption comes in many forms, mine was found in the arms of two lovely ladies at Emporium.

Today was moving day, plus some work and a teams meeting (No rest for the wicked as the saying goes).

New hotel makes Emporium an easy choice, and at least I know David will look after me, I was in need of some redemption after a couple of what could be called poor showings at classic.

I let David know I am coming and arrive just after 7 pm, no massage for me today so we head up to the lounge and I take a seat front and centre, I know some like to hide in the back in the shadows and I did that myself the first few times, but now I put myself on show like the girls.

There are not a great deal of girls seated, maybe 8 VIP and 12 Standard, I ask David if any of these match what I like, and he says maybe but not there is probably 1 in the VIP and 1 in the standard currently that look close to what I like, I ask about service, he says the VIP girl is very pretty but service is average, he has had complaints, he then looks at his phone and mumbles a couple of names, then goes to chat with the staff at the side, then disappears through the door. I wait patiently checking out the girls, then suddenly more girls appear, 2 VIP (Both of whom I have taken before and both are good), and another 8 Standard, not sure where they have all been hiding, I assume they had all had earlier customers so were in a break room, or maybe recently arrived getting ready? I don't know.

David points out the 2 VIP girls, and also 2 standard, letting me know they all meet my requirements, then he suggests I would maybe like two, now threesomes are a funny thing, I've only had a few I've considered a success and none in Indonesia, but I have never taken 2 from Emporium, David mentions one of the girls squirts and that they both work well together and I am sold, Bonus is they both speak more English than most indo girls.

For reference 2 VIP girls is 2. 9 juta all in and 2 standard is 2. 5 juta.

After a brief intro, both girls collect their things and we head to the pool, the place is as busy as I've seen it, probably 3-4 guys heading to rooms as I change, another 8 across 3 tables and another 5-6 in the pool with girls.

My two chosen arrive and into the pool we go, they alternate sitting in my lap and behind, massaging me and we small talk, they try to convince me to get in the cold pool, but I've done that once, I know its supposed to be healthy for you, but I really don't enjoy the cold any more. Spent maybe 20 minutes, then off to the room, you get a suite as part of the fee with 2 girls.

In the room I shower and wash up, the girls use the facilities and the bum gun, we've all been in the pool and I assume they showed after the pool as I had.

Now here is when things start looking up in comparison to previous times with 2 girls at for example classic, as I was drying of the girls, both naked piled up condoms and wipes on the bed and then lay there beckoning to me with a space for me in the middle, its hard to describe really 2 beautiful young women, 19 and 21 by their telling, but potentially early to mid twenties, small athletic bodies with great tits, smiling enthusiasm, laughing and beckoning you to lay with them, I couldn't help but leap into the bed.

Normally I would give a bit of a play by play description, but so much happened on that bed with those girls it would take me too long to write up. But as a few highlights I received a double BJ, plus rimming BJ, confirmed that one of the girls does indeed squirt, was ridden by they other girl while the squirter played with herself firing her juice like a firehose, ridden by both, plenty of kissing etc, had one girl in doggy with the other sliding underneath because she wanted to watch, finished by banging the non squirter in doggy and had squirter stand over her facing me while we kissed and I fingered her so she squirted again.

We collapsed on the bed and the girls cleaned me and themselves up, then lay either side of me playing affectionally and we chatted about music and movies.

They did try to get me going again for another shot, but I was well and truly spent so just caressing and pillow talk until the phone rang for checkout, they seemed disappointed our time was up, maybe, or perhaps that was in my head again.

One asked about tips, which did not surprise as I believe they get less on a duo, even though it includes tips so I split a few hundred k in cash between them, they were worth it.

So I feel redeemed with the help of Emporium and David.

Total cost about 2. 8 juta.

After the session David took me for a tour of the KTV and Tease Club, the club is probably a bit too loud for me, but you can bring girls up from below, I think he mentioned the dancer cost 3 juta.

It might be fun to take a couple girls to the KTV.

[Uphill69]

28 May.

I had a resonably busy day, but also time to contemplate evening activities. I'd had a really good night the evening before and wondered for the first time about repeating the experiance.

The old adage its never as good as the first time, generally holds true, but it can be pretty close but different.

I messaged David about 6 pm and said I was considering coming, did he have any new suggestions, I said I had a good time with the girls last night so if he had other suggestions, he said he was not sure but maybe I could repeat book the girls, I thought to myself why not. So I booked them in for 8 pm.

When I arrived I head up to the lounge and meet david, I check with him about time in the room, if we skip the pool do we get extra time, and he says no, only 1 hour in the room, and 30 minutes in the pool or lounge drinking and chatting.

Off he goes to get the girls who were were in red today. And off to the pool.

I had a realisation that this would actually be the first time I have ever repeated with girls in Indo, so was curious how it would be.

Our rapport was better, none of the getting to know you questions, so we had a bit of pool play and discussed various things, found out one of the girls fantasises about gangbangs and will do anal, we discussed that abit as the second girl was a big no no on anal, but wanted me and the first girl to try, she said mentioned she does not like the start but once warmed up enjoys it, I've done it a few times and under the right circumstances if I'm feeling a little filthy its OK, but its not something I activly seek anymore.

Discussed a few other personal subjects which I won't go into, but either way we were more comfortable with each other made things easire in the room.

Off to the room, and we bump into another pretty girl on the way down, a friend of the girls I'm with she gives me the v tounge licking sign and says I should take her too, have 3 ladies, she was cute enough, but I'm already limited to an hour and really don't feel like extending the time.

In the room, being more comfortable the girls are aleady naked under their robes, so a quick swill of mouthwash and we jump in bed.

I limit the chitchat this time and jump straight into alternately kissing them and caressing them, I have them lie side by side and straddle them so I have easy access to both, fondelling kissing fingering etc etc.

I switch them around, I'm on all 4's and have one girl slide under and blow me while I kiss and finger the other, and on and on it goes, I bring squirty girl to the brink several times but she doesn't want to be a firehose tonight, which is fine, but its a good tease.

We fuck in all the positions I like, and while fucking non squirter, I notice she starts playing with herself, we change positions to doggy and she keeps going, so appears she want to finish, so I give her a helping hand and she eventually collapses to a shuddering finish, both girls giggling.

A fresh dom, and its squirters turn, again going through the positions but I'm careful to not play with her clit too much as she does not want to squirt.

I should mention they were much more comfortable touching and caressing each other during this session, I don't think either of them has an interest in girls, but they were will to act the part than during the first session and better than alot of thai threesome places iv'e been to in the past.

So during this session I had super power, aided by a sneaky half of a sidegra, I don't actually need it under normal circumstances, but had my GP give me a perscription and I can pick up legit stuff at home for cheaper than thailand, I'm not sure about here, but I'm not keen to buy off the street.

So half a blue pill had me fucking for a good 45 minutes, my heart was racing both girls were completely spent, but I was still going, they were troopers, I was slowing down though, so I lay back, switched doms again and had the first girl ride me again as she has good rhythm and tightness, she almost got me there, but then collapsed she had no more power.

So off with the Dom and squirter give me a BJ to completion while the other girl kisses me to death, she is actually pretty good and can get quite deep.

It was fortunate timing as the phone rang a minute later. We talk abit as we tidy up and I find out the take out fee is 7 juta, the girl get 3-4 juta and stays until morning.

KTV is approx 2. 6 Juta or 2. 8 juta + minimum 1. 5 Juta food and beverage package, you get 2 hours in KTV and 1 hour in room, if you want them naked in the KTV its another 1. 2 Juta.

Pricing is the same if you want to take them to the club.

Anyway they offer to take me sight seeing and selfie taking, which is nice, but I only have a couple days left.

I tip them an extra 100 k each and off they go.

I chat to david on the way out about the KTV, sounds fun, pricing for a solo guy is not cheap, david thinks I should have a party ofcourse he does its part of his job to sell.

Anyway I had a great time again, I'll probably not take those 2 again, but not opposed to others in the future.

I'll likely venture elseware tomorrow, but hit emporium early on my last day as its convenient.

[United1]

Anyone know what days are best for which specific bars / clubs? Read somewhere that Club H is best on Wednesdays to party, possibly try to pick up some civvies. I enjoy the nightlife, hitting up clubs and bars in the cities I monger. Helps to me from dulling my other attributes, and keep them sharp. Its nice and easy to pay for it, due to convenience, but nice to know you can still get freebies with some effort while enjoying the thrill of the hunt.Jakarta is a very easy place to pick up civvs if you have the confidence and not too old. Offer to buy a drink and you very successful. Indo girls can sometimes be shy and not talkative. Probably is language. Some don't speak good english and hard to talks in nightclub. H Club is good. You can also check out TCC which is the same Senopati area. A bit more higher end. If your staying in SCBD, there is group of more nightlife disco in the triangle plaza across from Langham and Equity tower. I am forgetting the name, but it has a red / white awning. You can't miss it. In there is club call zoo which had a lot of younger hot indos and expat guys who love them.

[United1]

Yes. Confirmed wit friend. Wed is ladies night at Zoo. This is in SCBD across Langham hotels.


How long you will stay.

You can go to kemang bars resto but some will expect many.

I had several meet as date from tinder who asked for many after finish leaving room.

If there are long stay guys here they can share about their locations.

If you younger age white.

[Uphill69]

29th May.

So after a nice meal and a couple of drinks, I head on out to classic T2, I could probably walk but its still raining a little, so I call a grab, by the time he arrives its stopped raining, but I don't mind as its like 22 k, and I don't have to risk the rain slicked roads, plus crossing about 3 busy roads where you court death.

I arrive just on 9 pm, place is moderately busy, crusty old mama latches on to me, I scan for Ivon, can't see her, I ask apparently she is not working again, maybe she go moved on for offering alternate pricing options.

I get setup on a table and order a big Bintang, tell the mama I want to have a drink first and she leaves, after my beer arrives, I am hoping I'll get a moment to survey the environment, but no, she is back with a group.

So my rule for tonight is to do as I'm supposed to, stick to what I like and send everything that is not away.

And that is what I do, first group dismissed, and then I type out in translate exactly what I require as the spoken word does not seem to filter through to this mama.

She comes back about 5 times with various girls nothing like what I want, each small group sent packing, I think she finally gets the picture and does not come back.

Another mama takes over, I show her my preferences, off she goes, first group no good, in between times I had been scanning couches and had my eye on a few, but fortunately this mama picked up one of the girls I had been eyeing and brought her to me, Success. Correct body type, facial features, and not a completely flat personality, also happy to get close. Great.

I order myself and her a drink and we chit chat for a bit, laugh at the guy mangling the karaoke (not that either of us would do better we admitted), so good rapport. So we had a good 20 minutes at the table and then she confirms if I'the like to take her to a room, absolutely.

Off to fetch mama and the business end is concluded, then off to the room.

When the clothes come off she is almost perfect for me, she used to go to the gym you could tell and I confirm with her, but its been a few months since she started working at classic she has not been so a slight loss in definition but still good.

We joke around quite a bit, just fooling really but it's put her at ease.

Session follow the standard, bit if a makeout session then body licks, BBBJ, fingering, all the positions, I am fairly sure I got her to finish in mish while playing with her clit, she first would pull my hand away and the put it back, and its generally a good indication when you are caressing their tits and they grab your hand and make you squeeze harder.

Anyway the girls with good customer service know how to do it either fake or real, it elevates the experience for me.

But my plan was to take a couple girls tonight so she was just an appetiser and I did not want to blow my load, we fucked slow and hard for about 30 minutes and with a Dom on its easier to control myself, when I started getting too sensitive I ending the sex, and layback while she massaged by cock and balls with her mouth until the phone rung.

Session one complete. She seemed sad I had not finished, I told her it was my choice.

Tip given for good performance and attitude (made sure to let her know that was why).

Back into the bar and grabbed a new table and a service girl to get me a drink.

Stalking dancer from the other night pounces, she is pretty hot and is all over me for a minute trying for more shots for her and her friend, but I pass. I think I read in the past you can take them to a room it's just 3 x the cost, I did not ask though.

Anyway I need to recover my energy after the previous cardio workout, so a couple more beers.

I have been scanning the talent and there are still quite a few around I like, Some of the locals / chinese have scooped up some real hotties though, but its so mixed, some I would go near while some are drop dead gorgeous even within the same table group, just goes to show peoples tastes vary.

Anyway crusty mama spots me without a lady and comes to have another go, I am not hopeful, but I still have most of a large Bintang bottle to go, so some entertainment in who she rustles up may be amusing, and who knows she may produce a gem.

Spoiler she fails and gives up after one very poor attempt, though I see her bring a hottie to a local guys table, so obviously she capable, just trying to FOB her rejects on to me.

I finish my beer and am about to do the rounds when mama 2 spots me and comes to check I am ok and do I want another lady, sure lets go, see what you can do, off she goes and she strikes out twice before finding the right girl.

If anything more friendly than the last girl has me wrapped up in her arms immediately, and she is small under 5", I offer her a drink, but she would like a pack of smokes instead (turns out they are cheaper, especially cheaper than the Bintang lemon which is 90 k which I bought for the first girl). Really same MO as the first, except she is more affectionate at the table.

I see girl 1 walk by for a lineup at one point and give her a smile and wave, which she returns, I like it when its not awkward, our time was a transaction, I had a good time, but am just a customer.

So off to the room, for another sweaty fuck fest, I don't think I mentioned the AC in the rooms we were in was run of a central system which was not working, or was shit, so we worked up a literal sweat each time, not a bad thing, I don't mind a workout.

So usual cleanup, but I notice she also give attention to the taint and ass, which most don't so I wonder if this bodes so extra attention later.

Start of the same on the bed, caresses, kissing body licking, then she goes down for a BBBJ and she is pretty good, she also spends time on the balls and taint as well as the join between crotch and thigh which naughty massage ladies like to tease. Does not go all the way to rimming, but it's still a very nice sensation.

When then go through all the positions and repeat a couple before I have her lying on her front with a pillow underneath and slowly fuck her in prone with her turning to kiss me with passion until I finish.

Once done she quickly cleans up and jumps in the shower, comes back and lights a smoke (she does ask first) and I lay their spent but happy until the phone rings for check a few minutes later.

Tipped again for good service and attitude, she also clings to me like a limpet all the way to the cashier which is rare as most say bye-bye as soo as you step back into the club or even before.

Costs for the night.

Girl 1 - 365 k + 100 k.

Girl 2 - 365 k + 100 k.

Tab - 440 k.

So almost 1. 2 mil and I walk out about 1 am so 4 hours.

I braved the mean streets and walk back to my hotel, at that time of night traffic is much quieter so did not fear for my life.

[SuperLove]

Well my success rate may not be as high as LetMeIn's but it was still good as compared to most on this forum, infact I did very well at Emporium and didn't even ask the girls, slipped it in. Initially they were reluctant but eventually gave in and enjoyed, many went on with 'don't Stop', music to my ears, amen.


I think the only place on the planet you can possibly reach that much available anal is Brazil. You are flat out lying.

[Asian Rain]

If arranging BBFS via tips is so easy in the room, why can't it just be arranged before paying for the room?
If I completely abort the mission and ignore the cost of the session she may go out and tell others don't go with him he only wants BBFS, sure that could happen pre-asking as well, but at least I'm not paying for that to happen, this is another reason I avoid the place (places with pre-set rules are garbage to me).

Because what man in his right mind would fly so far to pay to screw 3rd world WGs with a full body condom. That is mind boggling and has absolutely zero value to me.Despite many posts suggesting that BBFS is virtually guaranteed "by offering a tip" in the room during the session at venues like Classic and Travel, it is clear that virtually guaranteed should be taken as not guaranteed for "Tampa condom". I appreciate the posters who reveal this fact as it gives a true representation of the uncertainty.

Now to the question, why can't it [BBFS] just be arranged before? IMHO this can and should be done in venues like Classic and Travel IF it is important to YOU. Google Translate can be your friend here. When you sit with the girl, rather than just immediately blurt out "no condom" to the girl, consider a more eased approach by having a discreet conversation. NOTE: If other girls or mamasan try to look in on your translation, politely shoo them away! First, start by translating the usual chit-chat. Nice to meet you. How old are you? Do you have any kids? You are very cute. I like your smile. Do a little blah blah and feel the vibe. Then ease into the topic. "I like romantic sex. Same as boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you like?" Then eventually get to the key point. "Can you be my special girlfriend and play with me no condom? If you are good girlfriend for me, I will give good tip. " Now she can react in 2 ways. She can say NO WAY, in which you can politely send her away by translating "Sorry, I want a special girlfriend experience. " OR she can possibly reply with "how much tip". When a girls asks "how much", it is music to my ears. Now the conversation is just numbers. Based on what others are claiming, start with 100 k. If she is one of the "BBFS virtually guaranteed with tip" girls described in so many posts, then she should enthusiastically say yes and that is the time to say "okay, deal" to confirm with the girl. If she acknowledges, then it is time to raise your hand for mamasan to pay. Now keep in mind the girl may not be happy with 100 k, so she could ask for something like 200 k or even more. Offer to meet in the middle with 150 k. If she refuses and demands 200 k, then ask yourself if you want to bail over 6 US Dollars or get fucked the way that you want to fuck with no uncertainty. Now you have negotiated up front an all-inclusive experience. There is no tip anymore. You have negotiated what is most important to you, so unless something else special happens in the room, what was a "tip for something special" is just now a fixed extra you give her at the end of the session. Lastly, once the deal is done, politely refuse to entertain any downgrading of the condition like "you cum outside" or the like.

As an aside, this is not just a hypothetical. I use variants of this approach in similar situations in Bangkok, where it is an order of magnitude more difficult to get reliable no-fuss BBFS. It absolutely does not guarantee success, but it helps me to avoid what would otherwise be failures from my POV. Feel free to take or leave this advice. Not minding the uncertainty of being forced to bag up, some would prefer to read the tea leaves or just inshallah. That is a perfectly legit strategy too! Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[Irish Mongrel]

Anyone know what days are best for which specific bars / clubs? Read somewhere that Club H is best on Wednesdays to party, possibly try to pick up some civvies. I enjoy the nightlife, hitting up clubs and bars in the cities I monger. Helps to me from dulling my other attributes, and keep them sharp. Its nice and easy to pay for it, due to convenience, but nice to know you can still get freebies with some effort while enjoying the thrill of the hunt.Wednesday night = ladies night in most places = free entry, free or cheap drinks so always a good time to be out and about, especially in the clubs.

[Werqweq]

David points out the 2 VIP girls, and also 2 standard, letting me know they all meet my requirements, then he suggests I would maybe like two, now threesomes are a funny thing, I've only had a few I've considered a success and none in Indonesia, but I have never taken 2 from Emporium, David mentions one of the girls squirts and that they both work well together and I am sold, Bonus is they both speak more English than most indo girls.

For reference 2 VIP girls is 2. 9 juta all in and 2 standard is 2. 5 juta.
Excellent reports. Can't remember seeing a threesome report from Emporivum before, so that was interesting.

A bit disappointing that even when paying that much the girls will still default to the "new pussy, new condom" dance, but could guess it would be like that. Rather cheap of Emporivum that taking two girls does not also extend the time, like it does at classic (1 hour -> 1. 5 hours), especially as they have now reduced the time in room from 1.5h to 1h.

[Amadeuss]

In my entire mongering career of thousands of girls, I had unprotected sex one time and I got gonorrhea. The only STD I've ever had.And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.

[LetMeIn6969]

I'm "pretty" sure I know who the squirter is. Is the other girl named Dessi? FYI, you don't need to switch doms, 3 some in Emporium pretty much a one condom both holes place. They also put on an awesome lesbian show for you. Check out the after match of the squirter. Did you end up try anal with her? I did but some people here said that it's impossible in Emporium.


28 May.

I had a resonably busy day, but also time to contemplate evening activities. I'd had a really good night the evening before and wondered for the first time about repeating the experiance.

The old adage its never as good as the first time, generally holds true, but it can be pretty close but different.

I messaged David about 6 pm and said I was considering coming, did he have any new suggestions, I said I had a good time with the girls last night so if he had other suggestions, he said he was not sure but maybe I could repeat book the girls, I thought to myself why not. So I booked them in for 8 pm.

When I arrived I head up to the lounge and meet david, I check with him about time in the room, if we skip the pool do we get extra time, and he says no, only 1 hour in the room, and 30 minutes in the pool or lounge drinking and chatting.

Off he goes to get the girls who were were in red today. And off to the pool.

I had a realisation that this would actually be the first time I have ever repeated with girls in Indo, so was curious how it would be.

Our rapport was better, none of the getting to know you questions, so we had a bit of pool play and discussed various things, found out one of the girls fantasises about gangbangs and will do anal, we discussed that abit as the second girl was a big no no on anal, but wanted me and the first girl to try, she said mentioned she does not like the start but once warmed up enjoys it, I've done it a few times and under the right circumstances if I'm feeling a little filthy its OK, but its not something I activly seek anymore..

[Uphill69]

One final hurrah.

30 May. Emporium (its close, open from 2 and reasonable expectation of quality).

Typing this up from the airport, as I wait for my flight home.

But before I got here I stopped in at emporium for one last hurrah.

Contact David after lunch let him know I'm coming early, he asked if I wanted to book someone, but I said I'the just pick a girl when I got there.

Security and reception staff know me now, so I get greetings by name and they either tell me that David is in the lounge or call him to come collect me.

Up to the lounge we go, and as I expect its pretty quite, only 2 VIP ladies, one has a pretty face but they are on the larger size which is not my preference, epic tits on both though.

VIP couch has 8 , one is Girl 1 from the last two visits, she is cute, but I would only take her again non of the other options looked promising, anyway the choice was taken from me a minute later as she was called to a back couch, I off handedly mentioned that to David and he offered to go fetch her away from the poor bloke in the back who had just chosen her (maybe my wannabe VIP crew is increasing) anyway that fish has swum and I move on to what is in front of me.

David recommends one of the VIP girls, so I get her up for a twirl, but she really is to big for my taste, she is voluptuous with a big bum, but that not my thing so send her back.

David then points out 2 of the standard who have received good reports, but we pull the whole lineup to introduce themselves, but I can barely catch a name.

There are maybe three quite attractive ladies lined up, but as I chat to David he points out 1 is new so does not know what she would be like, she also does not look too happy, another he says not always good, the other is one of davids recommends, not 100% spot on, but matches several points I look for.

So an easy pick in the end, intro's are made, I'll call her are as to be honest that's about as much of her name as I could catch though I has her repeat and also david, I think my hearing is broken from a long night in T2.

She is short, dark, with a little more meat on the bones than I normally like but not by much so she still looked good in the skin hugging dress and bikini.

Off to the pool we go, and I get a nice shoulder and head / forhead massage with grinding and a bit of chit chat, I try improve my Indo and she tries improve her English, its win win, she also initiates some kissing, which I take to mean I talk to much or am mangling the language and its hurting her ears. I actually start to relax in the pool with her forehead and temple massage, could have stayed much longer, but I think we almost used the full slotted time as I started to wrinkle.

Off to the room, only a standard, but I almost prefer it except no ceiling mirrors or toilet (for those that need it), but it does have a proper shower.

Bed is against one wall with a raised ledge and I already have ideas for that later. Are offers an extra massage, why not, so I let her have a go, its probably not a career change option, what you would expect from a small girl, the technique was there, just no strength.

So I pull her to me and I start my GFE routine, caresses, kissing, groping, fingering, then move her down to a BJ, she is OK, but can't take the length, maybe mid way. So then I sit my self on the ledge which faces the wall mirror and have her continue as well as give the balls some attention. It's a nice view.

Dom on then into missionary, proper GFE looking into each other eyes, breathing each others breath as our lips remain locked. Position change into doggy and she seems excited (she did ask for doggy as the first pos), head and shoulders flat on the bed ass high in the air, she has an extreme arch, then she moves both arms behind her back and grabs my hand so I can hold them in place, we are both looking at ourselves in the mirror and it is pretty fucking good. I pound away for a while and she makes all the good sounds. Then a pos change again and I sit up on the ledge again and have her reverse up onto me so we can both watch as she is fucking me, I find it hot, I hope she does to, I'm rubbing her clit as it fully exposed, and the I ask her to rub herself while I'm play with her tits, going full home porn mode.

And then we drop to the bed and I have her on top for a bit, but she is getting knackered, so switch to missionary again, but I am also flagging, going to need a break, so call time for water and oranges.

She pulls off the dom and I check to make sure she has another, but not sure if she heard, as she jumps in the shower, and I'm like what, does she think we are done, I'm thinking to myself this will go downhill if I have to discuss that we are not done.

But no, she just wanted to freshen up, as she gets a new dom and some lube room her back and then we are back on with her on top, she makes a valiant effort, and I am close, so switch over to prone, which she seems to enjoy and has me hold her neck so she can twist her body and kiss me while I fuck her, and that does it for me I am done.

We both collapse, and then I carefully pull out as the dom has worked its way up to the head, don't want accidental spillage.

I lay back as she cleans me up and then rest before a shower and the checkout call.

I am happy with the session, she really put on a good performance, I think she is in 5th position for my Emporium girls and probably 4th for this trip.

Tip 100 k onto if the 1. 4 mil which includes a tip.

I'm not sure the trip is worth a summary, I literally just went to 2 place, Classic and Emporium, I had plans to go elsewhere this trip, but just CNBF, I know what I like and both these places have it.

Maybe next trip I'll venture to a club to pickup or hit malio, Kota Indah, lokasari (probs not), train tracks (definitely not), I did get Badoo going yesterday, should really have started that earlier, but just wanted to have a peak, it seems to have potential, especially for dates, which is fine for me as I like to eat at nice places and have a few drinks, and discuss stuff other than fucking.

Total nights 9, mongering nights 7.

Budget. Not set.

Spent. Maybe 20 mil possibly.

Girls fucked 10, repeated 2 of them and also had a HJ / BJ from a chubby massage girl.

I'll be in Thailand in August, which is a different game, still undecided which I like better.

[Steve 9696]

Super great report Uphill. Just the right amount of info mixed in with steamy sex. I love that you have a personal relationship with the Papasan now. That surely made all the difference. And I love the realness of it when you are face to face sharing breaths. That's just so intimate. I got to say I dig it when a girl submits in doggie with her hands being held behind her back. That never fails to crank me. Great report!

[Uphill69]

Excellent reports. Can't remember seeing a threesome report from Emporivum before, so that was interesting.

A bit disappointing that even when paying that much the girls will still default to the "new pussy, new condom" dance, but could guess it would be like that. Rather cheap of Emporivum that taking two girls does not also extend the time, like it does at classic (1 hour -> 1. 5 hours), especially as they have now reduced the time in room from 1.5h to 1h.Thanks. Yes the time thing is an issue, the girls did ask if I wanted to extend the time, and David mentioned after he thought I would extend, so it seems it's something they want to upsell.

[Uphill69]

I'm "pretty" sure I know who the squirter is =) Is the other girl named Dessi? FYI, you don't need to switch doms, 3 some in Emporium pretty much a one condom both holes place. They also put on an awesome lesbian show for you. Check out the after match of the squirter. Did you end up try anal with her? I did but some people here said that it's impossible in Emporium.LOL, yes looks like you have been there done that 👍127995; she's a good girl, no not Dessi (Don't know her) second girl was maybe Annie, sounds like that anyway. Good to know re the doms, I have to bring my own next trip, I did the previous one, their doms stretch and slip.

Did not think about a Les show I'll ask next time.

No did not go for anal, she did offer, but as mentioned I do have some girth, the girl needs to have some prep beforehand and it's also not something I need, a thumb in the during doggy is ok, I have found at least 50/50 have no issue with that.

[Uphill69]

Super great report Uphill. Just the right amount of info mixed in with steamy sex. I love that you have a personal relationship with the Papasan now. That surely made all the difference. And I love the realness of it when you are face to face sharing breaths. That's just so intimate. I got to say I dig it when a girl submits in doggie with her hands being held behind her back. That never fails to crank me. Great report!Cheers, they take a bit of time, but I'm doing them for myself too so I remember 😀. Yes developing the relationship with David I think has helped, we caught up after each session and he would get feedback back, we also chatted about a bunch of other stuff, a friendly guy.

Indeed the perceived connection element can elevate the experience, I like a good PSE, but a GFE with a bit of kink makes me feel good for days after.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Despite many posts suggesting that BBFS is virtually guaranteed "by offering a tip" in the room during the session at venues like Classic and Travel, it is clear that vitually guaranteed should be taken as not guaranteed for "tampa condom". I appreciate the posters who reveal this fact as it gives a true representation of the uncertainty.

Now to the question, why can't it BBFS just be arranged before? IMHO this can and should be done in venues like Classic and Travel IF it is important to YOU. Google Translate can be your friend here. When you sit with the girl, rather than just immediately blurt out "no condom" to the girl, consider a more eased approach by having a discreet conversation. NOTE: If other girls or mamasan try to look in on your translation, politely shoo them away! First, start by translating the usual chit-chat. Nice to meet you. How old are you? Do you have any kids? You are very cute. I like your smile. Do a little blah blah and feel the vibe. Then ease into the topic. "I like romantic sex. Same as boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you like?" Then eventually get to the key point. "Can you be my special girlfriend and play with me no condom? If you are good girlfriend for me, I will give good tip. " Now she can react in 2 ways. She can say NO WAY, in which you can politely send her away by translating "Sorry, I want a special girlfriend experience. " OR she can possibly reply with "how much tip". When a girls asks "how much", it is music to my ears. Now the conversation is just numbers. Based on what others are claiming, start with 100 k. If she is one of the "BBFS virtually guaranteed with tip" girls described in so many posts, then she should enthusiatically say yes and that is the time to say "okay, deal" to confirm with the girl. If she acknowledges, then it is time to raise your hand for mamasan to pay. Now keep in mind the girl may not be happy with 100 k, so she could ask for something like 200 k or even more. Offer to meet in the middle with 150 k. If she refuses and demands 200 k, then ask yourself if you want to bail over 6 US Dollars or get fucked the way that you want to fuck with no uncertainty. Now you have negotiated up front an all-inclusive experience. There is no tip anymore. You have negotiated what is most important to you, so unless something else special happens in the room, what was a "tip for something special" is just now a fixed extra you give her at the end of the session. Lastly, once the deal is done, politely refuse to entertain any downgrading of the condition like "you cum outside" or the like.

As an aside, this is not just a hypothetical. I use variants of this approach in similar situations in Bangkok, where it is an order of magnitude more difficult to get reliable no-fuss BBFS. It absolutely does not guarantee success, but it helps me to avoid what would otherwise be failures from my POV. Feel free to take or leave this advice. Not minding the uncertainty of being forced to bag up, some would prefer to read the tea leaves or just inshallah. That is a perfectly legit strategy too! Enjoy Jakarta, AR.I am very good at doing all of this everywhere, except CLASSIC its set up offered unique challenges that has always cock blocked me.

The noise the darkness the smoke, I just can't think clearly, I believe you FUCKING nailed it.

Many thanks, I owe you a girl on my tab!!

When are you in Jakarta?

Can anyone suggest how to link to this to reports of distinction.

I rarely meet someone with better skills than myself, you Sir deserve a bow!!

You mention Bangkok, my BBFS success rate is extremely high at Nana, I would love to show you the ropes there 555.

[Ass Guru]

Amadeuss bro, can you throw more light on this so we can learn from this and your knowledge, I didn't know about this one, so please be kind enough. How does one take precautions, I love the back door entry and want to be safe and protective at the same time. Terima kasih.


And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.

[Ass Guru]

Sadly, we will miss each other.


Bro, I will be there 2nd week of June (16 to 20), if you there lets plan to meet up.

[FFlintstone69]

Despite many posts suggesting that BBFS is virtually guaranteed "by offering a tip" in the room during the session at venues like Classic and Travel, it is clear that vitually guaranteed should be taken as not guaranteed for "tampa condom". I appreciate the posters who reveal this fact as it gives a true representation of the uncertainty.

Now to the question, why can't it just be arranged before? IMHO this can and should be done in venues like Classic and Travel IF it is important to YOU. Google Translate can be your friend here. When you sit with the girl, rather than just immediately blurt out "no condom" to the girl, consider a more eased approach by having a discreet conversation. NOTE: If other girls or mamasan try to look in on your translation, politely shoo them away! First, start by translating the usual chit-chat. Nice to meet you. How old are you? Do you have any kids? You are very cute. I like your smile. Do a little blah blah and feel the vibe. Then ease into the topic. "I like romantic sex. Same as boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you like?" Then eventually get to the key point. "Can you be my special girlfriend and play with me no condom? If you are good girlfriend for me, I will give good tip. " Now she can react in 2 ways. She can say NO WAY, in which you can politely send her away by translating "Sorry, I want a special girlfriend experience. " OR she can possibly reply with "how much tip". When a girls asks "how much", it is music to my ears..While I would never want to drive up prices, I'm pretty flexible with paying for extras, I cannot use a condom, so I feel paying 2 x the base rate is acceptable as a maximum.

That's not my starting offer but I don't feel that's "Overpaying" if it gets to that.

375000 is a huge tip on principle, not to me, but to her if she goes over that forget it. (nothing in there is that good looking).

100000 or 200000 is perfectly reasonable, she better be very damn fine for 300000 or 375000.

Thanks for sharing.

[NoGermaphobe]

I also think this is why Gabacho's vibe approach is so effective.

It's less of a transaction and it's not leading with the wallet, which often leads to a transactional outcome. The ladies probably get very tired of getting "pre-screened" for condom and are just happy to have someone they vibe with and just go with the flow of what he wants to make him happy.

I am sure there are a large percentage of guys that read about BBFS in Jakarta and just start blurting out, "No condom. Tip?" to a lady they just met 5 seconds earlier. Of course this approach is going to lead to a lot of knockbacks. The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

There are equal merits to Gabacho's and AR's approach. I agree with AR that discretion and subtleness is called for. And it goes a long way in a place like Jakarta. I am just doubtful many guys will have the patience for this approach and just revert to, "No condom. I will tip!

One other thought I would add to the conversation. If you take AR's approach, and she still says no, or she quotes a really high amount outside of what you consider reasonable.....Now you have talked to the lady for some amount of time. If you throw her back because of no condom, the mamasan may ask her what happened. (Again, because the mamasan wants her commission for writing the voucher). Or the other ladies at the couch might. And she WILL tell them exactly what you wanted because she lost some "face" with the extended conversation and not getting chosen. This could lead to a lecture about condom use from the mamasan, depending on the venue and the mama. And you might be "tagged" as a no condom guy. How do I know? Because it happened....to me. Several times. It's not fun having a mama bringing you a lady and then saying, "use condom. Ok?" in front of the lady.

The official policies of all these places are condom required, even though we know that isn't the case. But if you publicly reject / throw back a lady because of it, this is the other thing to consider.

If it happens in the room, it was hey, we vibed. Or, it happened. Or hey, he tipped a little more. This is a much different dynamic for the ladies than being associated with the guy that is going around asking every lady beforehand if she will do no condom for a tip.


While I would never want to drive up prices, I'm pretty flexible with paying for extras, I cannot use a condom, so I feel paying 2 x the base rate is acceptable as a maximum.

That's not my starting offer but I don't feel that's "Overpaying" if it gets to that.

375000 is a huge tip on principle, not to me, but to her if she goes over that forget it. (nothing in there is that good looking).

100000 or 200000 is perfectly reasonable, she better be very damn fine for 300000 or 375000.

Thanks for sharing.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Had a great time with a very sweet 19 yo Astri found near the KFC in front of Lokasari Square. Said she'd had three babies and had a see-section scar to prove it but beyond that her body was awesome and still very tight. She happily complied (and enjoyed) every position I asked for without complaint and without condom. She finished way before I did, riding me like a schoolgirl. We may end up doing some karaoke with her friends sometime soon. Her suggestion, not mine. 300 k IDR to the mamasan and another 100 k to Astri for a well spent 400 k.

[FFlintstone69]

I also think this is why Gabacho's vibe approach is so effective.

It's less of a transaction and it's not leading with the wallet, which often leads to a transactional outcome. The ladies probably get very tired of getting "pre-screened" for condom and are just happy to have someone they vibe with and just go with the flow of what he wants to make him happy.

I am sure there are a large percentage of guys that read about BBFS in Jakarta and just start blurting out, "No condom. Tip?" to a lady they just met 5 seconds earlier. Of course this approach is going to lead to a lot of knockbacks. The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

There are equal merits to Gabacho's and AR's approach. I agree with AR that discretion and subtleness is called for. And it goes a long way in a place like Jakarta. I am just doubtful many guys will have the patience for this approach and just revert to, "No condom. I will tip!.Than having already paid for the room, and having her hand you the condom insisting you put it on or the session is over and what happens when you walk back out after 2 minutes in the room.

What does everyone think now, Does she not tell everyone what happened?

The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

I think there are some serious flaws in the reasoning or lack thereof in this post.

[Terry88]

And that happened because your penis wasn't hardened. The first time it encounters these deadly bacteria, it'll be seriously infected. But after a while, the skin there develops resistance, and you can stick your cock in any pussy and nothing will happen.

Now it's too late. At your age, there's a risk that it'll fall off if it gets infected again. Be very careful.Wow, that's pretty insightful. I suppose the 3 STDs someone picked up in Jakarta from "civies" were just the hardening of the skin! Including a chancre I had a hard time diagnosing. At least I don't have warts like a couple of the street girls I know. Well, except maybe a small bump on my rear I can't figure out. And why are my lymph glands still swollen down there? It's really been a while and I thought those would go away.

[Terry88]

Hey man I found your field reports while searching through the thread, and I definitely want to hear the rest! I like your style. I too like to splurge when I travel and have dealt with my share of responses from cheap charlies on this board haha. Especially looking forward to your reports from seeking and other experiences outside of establishments. Hoping you have more to share!

P.S. It's wild that people complain about you tipping 500 K what is that like 30 bucks?You'd be happier in Pattaya and would get better treatment there, as would a lot of you. I whole heartedly recommend Thailand because they appreciate that kind of thing more than Indos do.

[Plant Smoke]

Anyone know where you can get a 14-tablet 5 MG cialis strip for 800 rp. In Jakarta. Only apotik I checked was 1500 rp. . would like to stay away from a street vendor thanks.

[NoGermaphobe]

No session I have ever been in that last 20 years has ever started the way you describe.

You would be well into the session at that point, after having both showered, some warmup on both sides, kissing, playing, caressing, etc and well into a BBBJ. It wouldn't be at the 2 minute mark. But perhaps your sessions go a lot differently than mine. It seems you perhaps can't enjoy those warmup aspects of it without knowing first? That is unfortunate for you.

You should be at least 10-15 minutes in by now. If you can't get what you want, you could extend the session by asking for a massage. You could ask for an extended BBBJ. You could spend some time getting her hornier with some DATY or fingering. You could offer the tip. There are countless other options available to get to your goal. If you can't get to your goal at that point or agree upon a tip for service, she would most likely take it as a win and I think very few would make a big deal about it.

You face a far greater chance of everyone knowing what you are asking for by asking for it in the bar, than having a shorter session in the room, leaving a bit earlier if necessary and just rolling the dice. In my experience this discussion is handled best if it is discreet and private, rather than in the bar. Especially if you are throwing back ladies after asking them if they will do it without a condom and getting a no. I don't think that will end well for most folks. It's not the format the bars are setup for.

But hey. You do you man. I wish you the best and tried to advise you as best I could.


Than having already paid for the room, and having her hand you the condom insisting you put it on or the session is over and what happens when you walk back out after 2 minutes in the room.

What does everyone think now, Does she not tell everyone what happened?

The ladies that might accept right away are highly transactional and will quote a high price to try to get as much as they can out of you. Those guys are in a weak negotiating position at that point. Even though the lady would have probably done it much cheaper if it wasn't made into a transaction from their first words. And they will probably get mechanical service because of it.

I think there are some serious flaws in the reasoning or lack thereof in this post.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

You'd be happier in Pattaya and would get better treatment there, as would a lot of you. I whole heartedly recommend Thailand because they appreciate that kind of thing more than Indos do.I don't believe anybody who knows what they're doing in Indonesia would be happier in Pattaya. Pattaya is an overpriced turdhole.

[GuyReynolds]

How long you will stay.

You can go to kemang bars resto but some will expect many.

I had several meet as date from tinder who asked for many after finish leaving room.

If there are long stay guys here they can share about their locations.

If you younger age white.Staying about over a week. Can you please name a business place near those bars or one of the bars in the area? It'll make it easier for me to know where to look, I don't mind wandering around and exploring, just need a bit more direction. Thanks, I'm planning on using Tinder, Bumble, and a few other apps to see what hits. Not white, but I'm mixed (Hispanic, Black, White) and very early 30's.

[GuyReynolds]

Jakarta is a very easy place to pick up civvs if you have the confidence and not too old. Offer to buy a drink and you very successful. Indo girls can sometimes be shy and not talkative. Probably is language. Some don't speak good english and hard to talks in nightclub. H Club is good. You can also check out TCC which is the same Senopati area. A bit more higher end. If your staying in SCBD, there is group of more nightlife disco in the triangle plaza across from Langham and Equity tower. I am forgetting the name, but it has a red / white awning. You can't miss it. In there is club call zoo which had a lot of younger hot indos and expat guys who love them.I'm in my very early 30's, not sure what's considered old in Indonesia LOL maybe 50+? I'll check out Zoo and H Club. I'm guessing you mean The Cocktail Club when you say TCC. Any tips and tricks on how to game them there? Thanks, sucks Wednesday night is ladies night everywhere. Gives me FOMO on deciding the best spots since I like to bar hop to find the vibes. What time is best to get to any club? Want to get there right before it gets packed or get the bracelets / markings so I can just walk right in later when everything gets good.

[Asian Rain]

I don't think that will end well for most folks...All good considerations. However, we will only know for sure if and when some gents actually try and post a field report about the experience. All conjecture until then. Suspect that those who are satisfied with their current "success" rate will continue in linear fashion with their approach, so looking forward to hearing more field reports. Reading your informative post, I would be really taken aback if a bleepin mamasan were to brand me, lecture me and shame or scold me. Maybe it is a misconception on my part, but I always treat mamasans as if they are supposed to work for my benefit. I guess in these venues my typical expectation for memento photos like the one attached would be taken as out of order as well? LOL. Not to take things too seriously. Life doesn't always give us what we want. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[GCNovice]

My recent and 3rd trip back to Jakarta. I'm surprised inflation has not impacted prices by much to include the hobby. Hell, it's cheaper than before 2020 due to the nice USD exchange rate. I'm bad an English to be writing full sentences, so bullet points we go.

Classic,

T2.

- Not much has changed from before 2020, layout is basically the same.

- Session 8 times at 365 K + 50 K tip per (unless they bad, then no tip).

- Nice that BBBJ is the norm, before 2020 it was CBJ; only 1 girl would not BBBJ.

- Asked 3 girls for CIM, with 1 success and gave an extra 50 K tip.

- You can take girl out for 2 MIL; discuss that with the girl, not the mamasan.

- I did not partake, because the girl I wanted to test it out was never seen again when I was there.

- Horrible smoke environment after 10 pm.

T5.

- Opens at 6 pm, don't go there until after 7 pm.

- Needs more girls. It's so quiet.

- Better dancing girls than T2.

- Session there twice; with the same girl.

- 365 K + 50 K tip per.

Pool 1001,

- The worst rip off place.

- The Vietnamese and Russian girls were old and meh to me.

- Took a local for 2 MIL and got CBJ and sub-par service than Classic / Travel, and the mandatory tip starting at 200 K is crap.

- The fake moaning from her and other rooms were obnixous.

Travel,

- Layout changed quite a bit, room at the back is new.

- That room appears to be a staging area for the girls to get ready, eat, drink, etc.

- I took a few laps around the room, but they way girls sat aren't advantageous for selection.

- I went back out and ask mamasan to bring me girls.

- Session once, 375 K + 50 K tip.

- I would have gone back, but most time where at Classic and the wasted 1 night at 1001.

Only 3 girls I took can converse in English, the rest were through Google Translate. It's not that difficult, just put Google Translate in Conversation mode and GTG.

I did plan to visit KI, but that didn't happen. I would visit Jakarta again, but the 28+ hours flight, 1 way, is rough or I need to locate better flights. Overall, not too shabby after a long hiatus. I still like Bangkok better, but with FWIFAN dead, Jakarta is much simpler.

[MarquisdeSade1]

All good considerations. However, we will only know for sure if and when some gents actually try and post a field report about the experience. All conjecture until then. Suspect that those who are satisfied with their current "success" rate will continue in linear fashion with their approach, so looking forward to hearing more field reports. Reading your informative post, I would be really taken aback if a bleepin mamasan were to brand me, lecture me and shame or scold me. Maybe it is a misconception on my part, but I always treat mamasans as if they are supposed to work for my benefit. I guess in these venues my typical expectation for memento photos like the one attached would be taken as out of order as well? LOL. Not to take things too seriously. Life doesn't always give us what we want. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.Asia has billions of hookers I am the boss, they need me more than I need them, "he who holds the gold makes the rules" not some illiterate third world mamasan / hooker, some mongers act like they are afraid of something.

Like they have no agency or authority, act like you have a pair, maybe like you fucking own the place. Not some timid cucked beta from the West or the East.

[Chilli1]

Pasar baru area near classic.

Go to metro atom mall.

Many pharmacy have generic viagra buy not cialis as expensive.

But they will get for you.

Read past posts in this thread.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EvFcT3bNRo5yjdPUA

Apotek meteora is on ground floor as you enter mall, they offered to get price and it if order for cialis but had there generic via.

Few others are around yhere go after 10 am as yhey only open 10 to 5.

Ask for prices in two places.

Do not buy on street they are fake placebo pills.


Anyone know where you can get a 14-tablet 5 MG cialis strip for 800 rp. In Jakarta. Only apotik I checked was 1500 rp. . would like to stay away from a street vendor thanks.

[Locamotive]

No session I have ever been in that last 20 years has ever started the way you describe.

You would be well into the session at that point, after having both showered, some warmup on both sides, kissing, playing, caressing, etc and well into a BBBJ. It wouldn't be at the 2 minute mark. But perhaps your sessions go a lot differently than mine. It seems you perhaps can't enjoy those warmup aspects of it without knowing first? That is unfortunate for you.

You should be at least 10-15 minutes in by now. If you can't get what you want, you could extend the session by asking for a massage. You could ask for an extended BBBJ. You could spend some time getting her hornier with some DATY or fingering. You could offer the tip. There are countless other options available to get to your goal. If you can't get to your goal at that point or agree upon a tip for service, she would most likely take it as a win and I think very few would make a big deal about it.

You face a far greater chance of everyone knowing what you are asking for by asking for it in the bar, than having a shorter session in the room, leaving a bit earlier if necessary and just rolling the dice. In my experience this discussion is handled best if it is discreet and private, rather than in the bar. Especially if you are throwing back ladies after asking them if they will do it without a condom and getting a no. I don't think that will end well for most folks. It's not the format the bars are setup for.

But hey. You do you man. I wish you the best and tried to advise you as best I could.I agree and it can be a chance but lately since I've been burned so I've tried the honest approcah. Granted this is in the Philippines but location is probably not the issue. Condoms is my big no no so I'm asking. Went to about 8 bars everyone said no way without condom. Back in the day, I know I hate to say that, I never ask. If reluctant in the room a few drinks and a bit of warm up they would give in. No longer, had two in room last visit and thought maybe old tactics would work. It did not, and no amount of increase tip would persuade them, so just paid for a BJ and they left. Times are a changing I guess.

[EvanMorris]

Hi, repeat question, unfortunately. Are there still places where the girls go fully naked on stage in Jakarta, like the Malioboro begore?

[Plant Smoke]

Pasar baru area near classic.

Go to metro atom mall.

Many pharmacy have generic viagra buy not cialis as expensive.

But they will get for you.

Read past posts in this thread.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EvFcT3bNRo5yjdPUA

Apotek meteora is on ground floor as you enter mall, they offered to get price and it if order for cialis but had there generic via.

Few others are around yhere go after 10 am as yhey only open 10 to 5.

Ask for prices in two places.

Do not buy on street they are fake placebo pills.Thanks chili-chili; you're my dan mogot buddy.

[Plant Smoke]

I put out this information this morning, because for some reason I've been in the dark for years. The underlining theme? IMO.

If you are over age 50, you should be on Cialis, 5 MG, whether or not you have any health problems.

How I never came across this information, after 15 years of reading yahoo news (via my e-mail) baffles me.

Texas Study viagra vs. Cialis:

Mortality:34% reduction with tadalafil, 24% with sildenafil.

Heart attack: 27% reduction tadalafil, 17% with sildenafil.

Stroke: 34% reduction tadalafil, 22% sildenafil.

All numbers above are against a placebo.

So why aren't doctors suggesting to over 50-year olds to go on Cialis? I don't have the answer to that.

I can't get, run to the apotik fast enough.

[Gabacho]

Pasar baru area near classic.

Go to metro atom mall.

Many pharmacy have generic viagra buy not cialis as expensive.

But they will get for you.

Read past posts in this thread.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EvFcT3bNRo5yjdPUA

Apotek meteora is on ground floor as you enter mall, they offered to get price and it if order for cialis but had there generic via.

Few others are around yhere go after 10 am as yhey only open 10 to 5.

Ask for prices in two places.

Do not buy on street they are fake placebo pills.Both Generic Viagra and Cialis are both overpriced here. There is an abundance of generic Sildenafil available at about 100 k for 4 100 MG tablets, but in my experience I couldn't find generic tadalafil at any Apotek in Jakarta, I did find name brand Cialis and it was super expensive.

So I'm going to give you guys some tips and tricks that you can use while your back home in your country of origin in between your mongering trips that will help you save money and have plenty of supplies.

It may be different for those of you coming from Europe or Australia but for those who are from the US you csn do what I did and surprisingly the prices on these medications were cheaper in the US than here in Jakarta or even Thailand, Mexico, or Colombia even.

So here is what I did:

When I got back to the US last December right after Christmas I went straight to my PCP doctor to get blood work done and at that time I also asked for a prescription for tadalafil 5 MG. Since my testosterone tested to be on the lower end of the spectrum (about 315 ng / dl for my total T) my doctor didn't hesitate to give it to me.

Since my insurance plan doesn't cover erectile dysfunction drugs, I did some research to ser which pharmacy had the best price for tadalafil and I found that Costco has a pharmacy inside all their stores and they had the best price. $12.99 usd for 30 day supply of tadalafil 5 MG (even cheaper if you request it to be filled as a 90 day supply). So my PCP wrote the script for me for tadalafil 5 MG 30 pills with a total of 6 refills and sent the script to Costco pharmacy.

I then filled them there during the 5 months I was in the US and saved them all up together in the same bottle, so I came to Jakarta with 240 pills of tadalafil 5 MG all legally prescribed in my name.

Then I later at a subsequent doctor's appointment in May told my PCP that I wanted to switch to Sildenafil instead and see if that works better for me and also because it is more affordable, so he wrote me a new script for Sildenafil 50 MG (I specifically asked for 50 MG not 100 MG because I am actually taking them concurrently with the tadalafil and I didn't want to overdo it). I must have the coolest doctor because once again he didn't hesitate to write the script and send it to Costco pharmacy. This time with 10 refills of Sildenafil 50 MG 30 pills. So literally like a few days before I came on my trip I filled a 99 day supply of 50 MG Sildenafil for $30.99 at Costco and brought that with me too. If you do the math that's like 34 ¢ per Viagra pill and 44 ¢ Per Cialis pill.

So I came with 240 tadalafil 5 MG and 90 Sildenafil 50 MG and I've been taking 10 MG of tadalafil every morning before my first session and then in the evenings if I go to classic I pop a 50 MG of Sildenafil an hour before I go to classic in addition.

Let's just say I've been hard as a rock LOL.

I addition I also brought my own doxycycline and valacyclovir from the US as well which were also all legally prescribed in medication bottles with my name.

So those of you who have access to Costco and a doctor who will write your preseciptions for you, I highly recommend doing this before your trips. You may not need quite as much as me if you're just coming for a few weeks so maybe just a 30 supply will suffice. Also besides the great price offered by Costco you know you are getting good quality safe and effective medications. Please don't mess with those street vendors selling that fake shit here for all you know those could contain something dangerous like fentanil.

-Gabacho.

P.S.: I forgot to mention that you have to be a Costco member to get the good price otherwise they try to charge you more. Good luck fellow ISGers.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Had a great time with a very sweet 19 yo Astri found near the KFC in front of Lokasari Square. Said she'd had three babies and had a see-section scar to prove it but beyond that her body was awesome and still very tight. She happily complied (and enjoyed) every position I asked for without complaint and without condom. She finished way before I did, riding me like a schoolgirl. We may end up doing some karaoke with her friends sometime soon. Her suggestion, not mine. 300 k IDR to the mamasan and another 100 k to Astri for a well spent 400 k.Always forget to attach.

[Sriraj91]

Pasar baru area near classic.

Go to metro atom mall.

Many pharmacy have generic viagra buy not cialis as expensive.

But they will get for you.

Read past posts in this thread.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EvFcT3bNRo5yjdPUA

Apotek meteora is on ground floor as you enter mall, they offered to get price and it if order for cialis but had there generic via.

Few others are around yhere go after 10 am as yhey only open 10 to 5.

Ask for prices in two places.

Do not buy on street they are fake placebo pills.I bought Cialis 80 MG on the roadside opposite to Classic, not placebo but overdose one shouldn't take, erections lasted for three days.

One Australian FDA article said the component in that tablet is not tadalafil but sildenafil (viagra) any ways avoid 80 MG tablets.

[NoGermaphobe]

In addition to the suggestion below, if you are in the US and can get a prescription:

Mark Cuban's Cost Plus has generic Tadalafil at 5 MG for 30 tablets at $6. 60.

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/medications/tadalafil-5mg-tablet/

Just send your prescription in and get your Tadalafil in the mail. If you can get a script for 90, it is only $9. 79.

Sildenafil 50 MG is $7. 29 for 30 count or $11.86 for a 90 count.

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/medications/sildenafilcitrate-50mg-tablet/

Here is their homepage with an overview.

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/


Both Generic Viagra and Cialis are both overpriced here. There is an abundance of generic Sildenafil available at about 100 k for 4 100 MG tablets, but in my experience I couldn't find generic tadalafil at any Apotek in Jakarta, I did find name brand Cialis and it was super expensive.

So I'm going to give you guys some tips and tricks that you can use while your back home in your country of origin in between your mongering trips that will help you save money and have plenty of supplies.

It may be different for those of you coming from Europe or Australia but for those who are from the US you csn do what I did and surprisingly the prices on these medications were cheaper in the US than here in Jakarta or even Thailand, Mexico, or Colombia even.

So here is what I did:

When I got back to the US last December right after Christmas I went straight to my PCP doctor to get blood work done and at that time I also asked for a prescription for tadalafil 5 MG. Since my testosterone tested to be on the lower end of the spectrum (about 315 ng / dl for my total T) my doctor didn't hesitate to give it to me.

Since my insurance plan doesn't cover erectile dysfunction drugs, I did some research to ser which pharmacy had the best price for tadalafil and I found that Costco has a pharmacy inside all their stores and they had the best price. $12.99 usd for 30 day supply of tadalafil 5 MG (even cheaper if you request it to be filled as a 90 day supply). So my PCP wrote the script for me for tadalafil 5 MG 30 pills with a total of 6 refills and sent the script to Costco pharmacy.

I then filled them there during the 5 months I was in the US and saved them all up together in the same bottle, so I came to Jakarta with 240 pills of tadalafil 5 MG all legally prescribed in my name.

Then I later at a subsequent doctor's appointment in May told my PCP that I wanted to switch to Sildenafil instead and see if that works better for me and also because it is more affordable, so he wrote me a new script for Sildenafil 50 MG (I specifically asked for 50 MG not 100 MG because I am actually taking them concurrently with the tadalafil and I didn't want to overdo it). I must have the coolest doctor because once again he didn't hesitate to write the script and send it to Costco pharmacy. This time with 10 refills of Sildenafil 50 MG 30 pills. So literally like a few days before I came on my trip I filled a 99 day supply of 50 MG Sildenafil for $30.99 at Costco and brought that with me too. If you do the math that's like 34 per Viagra pill and 44 Per Cialis pill.

So I came with 240 tadalafil 5 MG and 90 Sildenafil 50 MG and I've been taking 10 MG of tadalafil every morning before my first session and then in the evenings if I go to classic I pop a 50 MG of Sildenafil an hour before I go to classic in addition.

Let's just say I've been hard as a rock LOL.

I addition I also brought my own doxycycline and valacyclovir from the US as well which were also all legally prescribed in medication bottles with my name.

So those of you who have access to Costco and a doctor who will write your preseciptions for you, I highly recommend doing this before your trips. You may not need quite as much as me if you're just coming for a few weeks so maybe just a 30 supply will suffice. Also besides the great price offered by Costco you know you are getting good quality safe and effective medications. Please don't mess with those street vendors selling that fake shit here for all you know those could contain something dangerous like fentanil.

-Gabacho.

P.S.: I forgot to mention that you have to be a Costco member to get the good price otherwise they try to charge you more. Good luck fellow ISGers.

[XXL]

I bought Cialis 80 MG on the roadside opposite to Classic, not placebo but overdose one shouldn't take, erections lasted for three days.

One Australian FDA article said the component in that tablet is not tadalafil but sildenafil (viagra) any ways avoid 80 MG tablets.Since when does one take 80 MG Cialis? The standard dosage of Cialis (equivalent to 100 MG Viagra) is 20 MG.

[Dickaprio]

Thank you Plant Smoke for sharing the Study insights on the use of Tadalafil and Sildenafil. Haven't reached the 50 mark yet but found the below piece of information curiously interesting. Did run a search on internet on this and found an article associated with a clinical research study in the American Journal of Medicine; briefing on the effects of these two pills on Mortality, Cardiovascular disease and Dementia. With tadalafil providing more benefits. Here is the link to the article.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(24) 00705-8/ fulltext.

Cheers!


I put out this information this morning, because for some reason I've been in the dark for years. The underlining theme? IMO.

If you are over age 50, you should be on Cialis, 5 MG, whether or not you have any health problems.

Texas Study viagra vs. Cialis:

Mortality:34% reduction with tadalafil, 24% with sildenafil.

Heart attack: 27% reduction tadalafil, 17% with sildenafil.

Stroke: 34% reduction tadalafil, 22% sildenafil.

All numbers above are against a placebo.

So why aren't doctors suggesting to over 50-year olds to go on Cialis? I don't have the answer to that.

[Dickaprio]

Wow! Thanks GG for the nice teasing pics of Astri and an insightful field report.

The third pic reminds of 'Find the cat (read: Cherry) in the Pic' puzzle. Wink!

Cheers,


Always forget to attach.


Had a great time with a very sweet 19 yo Astri found near the KFC in front of Lokasari Square. Said she'd had three babies and had a see-section scar to prove it but beyond that her body was awesome and still very tight.

[Sriraj91]

Since when does one take 80 MG Cialis? The standard dosage of Cialis (equivalent to 100 MG Viagra) is 20 MG.Yes that's what it is confusing, either the package says Cialis, but it is viagra dose or something.

See the pic.

[NoGermaphobe]

Yes that's what it is confusing, either the package says Cialis, but it is viagra dose or something.

See the pic.I don't believe it's all that surprising that unlicensed, un-monitored illegal street vendors are selling fake Cialis that is really just Viagra painted yellow with a fake printed label.

[Gabacho]

I don't believe it's all that surprising that unlicensed, un-monitored illegal street vendors are selling fake Cialis that is really just Viagra painted yellow with a fake printed label.No one should be taking those.

And 80 MG Cialis wtf it comes in 5 MG - 20 MG for real tadalafil.

Someone is going to fuck themselves up or possibly even die from taking those street vendor drugs. Very bad idea.

[Gabacho]

In addition to the suggestion below, if you are in the US and can get a prescription:

Mark Cuban's Cost Plus has generic Tadalafil at 5 MG for 30 tablets at $6. 60.

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/medications/tadalafil-5mg-tablet/

Just send your prescription in and get your Tadalafil in the mail. If you can get a script for 90, it is only $9. 79.

Sildenafil 50 MG is $7. 29 for 30 count or $11.86 for a 90 count.

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/medications/sildenafilcitrate-50mg-tablet/

Here is their homepage with an overview.

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/Wow those prices are really good. I don't trust those online pharmacies though. I like to have an actual brick and mortar place I can walk into and get the medications in my hand when I give them my money. As far as brick and mortars go Costco is probably one of the cheapest options. Plus they have awesome hotdogs and fountain drinks for $1. 50.

Thanks for your suggestion tho.

-Gabacho.

[Werqweq]

Thank you Plant Smoke for sharing the Study insights on the use of Tadalafil and Sildenafil. Haven't reached the 50 mark yet but found the below piece of information curiously interesting. Did run a search on internet on this and found an article associated with a clinical research study in the American Journal of Medicine; briefing on the effects of these two pills on Mortality, Cardiovascular disease and Dementia. With tadalafil providing more benefits. Here is the link to the article.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(24) 00705-8/ fulltext.

Cheers!As a doctor commenting on the research says "A local cardiologist told Eyewitness News that you always have to take these studies with a grain of salt, especially in the beginning. ".

So, maybe, maybe not. There are countless random studies of virtually anything indicating virtually everything, but which subsequent studies are unable to verify. Personally I'm not jumping on that wagon yet.

[Werqweq]

I don't believe it's all that surprising that unlicensed, un-monitored illegal street vendors are selling fake Cialis that is really just Viagra painted yellow with a fake printed label.What is surprising is that anyone would ingest drugs sold by unlicensed, un-monitored illegal street vendors, unless desperate.

[Steve 9696]

Yes that's what it is confusing, either the package says Cialis, but it is viagra dose or something.

See the pic.Yeah. Ha. You take 80 MG your dick ain't ever coming down. If of course you don't die first. Def playing w fire here.

[Axel Heyst]

What is surprising is that anyone would ingest drugs sold by unlicensed, un-monitored illegal street vendors, unless desperate.Just go back a few years in forum posts before Covid. There used to be a very vocal minority of BM's in the Makati, and Jakarta forums who were pro street vendor and very loud about how reliable, safe, and effective the street pills were. 555. I used to think those guys were fucking nuts. I still do.

Just buy from repudiable pharmacies abroad or bring your own from home. I just picked 90 5 MG Tadalafil from my Florida Costco pharmacy for practically nothing. I never leave home without my scripts: Ambian, for jet lag and sleeping on the plane, and Tadalafil.

[Gabacho]

Always forget to attach.Not bad GG.

I haven't seen this gem at lokasari yet.

Where are all the naysayers now?

They went back to into hiding apparently LOL.

-Gabacho.

[Boris1047]

Gabacho, bro, thanks for detailed info. I ain't sure you are aware of that but there is a site called GoodRX.com which allows you to shop around for cash drug prices. Looks like Walmart and some other retailers could be cheaper than Costco for those 2 drugs and no need for membership of any kind. Once you click thru GoodRx for pharmacy of your choice for that particular medication, the site will produce codes for you to show the pharmacist when you are picking up your order to get GoodRx price.

Also, looks like MRT Jakarta runs only in the South Jakarta and terminated as far north as Bundiran HI. The stations you mentioned show as under construction. Can you confirm that? Thanks.

[GentileBear]

Forgive me if you already know this. BUT - because one of my life's saga's has been high blood pressure and meds to control HBP. Let me inform some of you:

Cialis, Viagra and Levitra are PDE-5 Inhibitors - ala HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE MEDS. The erection is actually a side affect of the meds!

So it is not crazy to take Cialis Daily. Especially for thoes who need a HBP med.

From personal experience Amlodipine and HTZ cause E. D. limp dick issues. And so I have gone the supplement rout for my "calcium chain blocker" - but in a nut shell. There should not be much a surprise that Dick Pills like Cialis and Viagra help the heart. Because that is what Viagra was originally developed for. A high blood pressure lowering pill.

Peace!

P.S. 80 MG of Cialis (Tadanafil) is coming in way too hot! That's like the entire 4 piece blister pack!

[Mogwai]

Yeah. Ha. You take 80 MG your dick ain't ever coming down. If of course you don't die first. Def playing w fire here.I think even if you die it won't come down. That's going to be a closed coffin at your funeral.

[Goferring]

Forgive me if you already know this. BUT - because one of my life's saga's has been high blood pressure and meds to control HBP. Let me inform some of you:

Cialis, Viagra and Levitra are PDE-5 Inhibitors - ala HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE MEDS. The erection is actually a side affect of the meds!

So it is not crazy to take Cialis Daily. Especially for thoes who need a HBP med.

From personal experience Amlodipine and HTZ cause E. D. limp dick issues. And so I have gone the supplement rout for my "calcium chain blocker" - but in a nut shell. There should not be much a surprise that Dick Pills like Cialis and Viagra help the heart. Because that is what Viagra was originally developed for. A high blood pressure lowering pill.

Peace!

P.S. 80 MG of Cialis (Tadanafil) is coming in way too hot! That's like the entire 4 piece blister pack!Forgive my grade school knowledge of biology but how does that work? Wouldn't high BP be good for getting hard?? Wouldn't lowering BP introduce ED? Or does a hard on rely on a differential from normal resting BP?

Forgive my lack of knowledge. Tried V once and it was an absolute disaster. Nausea, headaches and long lasting, unwanted hard ONS. Never again.

That was recreationally when I was younger and they first came out. Now I'm older and considering options because of decline. Currently relying more on pacing and realistic ambitions.

Getting old sucks. 😂.

G.

[Gabacho]

Gabacho, bro, thanks for detailed info. I ain't sure you are aware of that but there is a site called GoodRX.com which allows you to shop around for cash drug prices. Looks like Walmart and some other retailers could be cheaper than Costco for those 2 drugs and no need for membership of any kind. Once you click thru GoodRx for pharmacy of your choice for that particular medication, the site will produce codes for you to show the pharmacist when you are picking up your order to get GoodRx price.

Also, looks like MRT Jakarta runs only in the South Jakarta and terminated as far north as Bundiran HI. The stations you mentioned show as under construction. Can you confirm that? Thanks.Is Walmart really cheaper?

My first 2 refills of tadalafil I got at CVS which was a ripoff at $17 for 30 pills of 5 MG tadalafil then I found out about Costco and switched it to there and refilled my other 6 x 30 at Costco for $12.99 each.

I have heard of GoodRx but haven't attempted to use it before, don't you have to pay for that to join and then you get a reduced price for your prescriptions?

For me all my other stuff besides tadalafil and Sildenafil are covered by insurance so I don't know that I would use GoodRx enough to make a huge difference versus the Costco price.

And I can confirm that the Sawah Besar and Mangga Besar Metro stations are open and functioning. I drive past them literally everyday on a gojek or grab bike and see tons of people at both stations. I just took some video from the moto I was riding on as the train was pulling into mangga besar station and you can see people going up the escalator to the platforms.

The Sawah Besar station is within walking distance of Classic and the mangga besar station is within walking distance of Travel for those of you who may be curious to attempt using the public transportation instead of the Motorbikes or Bluebirds / Grab / etc.

Hope this info helps.

Gabacho.

[Dickaprio]

I think even if you die it won't come down. That's going to be a closed coffin at your funeral.Just tried visualising what you said, and that's freaking hilarious LOL. Maybe dozens of flower bouquets can be be arranged to form tent like structure to cover the towering pole (wink).

[Fudimaar]

With this recent talk of Viagra / Cialis being very expensive in Indo, I generally bring my own. However, I cannot bring the quantity that I need (am afraid of customs here asking embarrassing questions).

So, when I run out, I get the real V from Century pharmacy in Grand Indonesia mall. No prescription needed. However, it's very expensive. Around $50/4-pack. I'm haven't tried the generic Sildenafil and am not even sure if they have it. In my home country, I can get Sildenafil for less that $2/ pill.

Does anyone know of an online retailer that ships V / see to Indonesia? Is there a Singaporean retails perhaps?

I know about the Halodoc app, but have not been able to order Cialis on there as it requires a presription.

[Gabacho]

Forgive my grade school knowledge of biology but how does that work? Wouldn't high BP be good for getting hard?? Wouldn't lowering BP introduce ED? Or does a hard on rely on a differential from normal resting BP?

Forgive my lack of knowledge. Tried V once and it was an absolute disaster. Nausea, headaches and long lasting, unwanted hard ONS. Never again.

That was recreationally when I was younger and they first came out. Now I'm older and considering options because of decline. Currently relying more on pacing and realistic ambitions.

Getting old sucks. 😂.

G.It dilates the blood vessels in the groin which in turn increases blood flow to the penis, making for stronger erections once aroused. It also dilates other blood vessels in the body which then lowers the blood pressure because the blood flows easier through the widened blood vessels. This is also why one of the main (and most dangerous) side effects of Viagra and Cialis is low blood pressure, this is especially true if you take too much. 80 MG of real tadalafil would drop your blood pressure dangerously low. The maximum you should ever take is 20 MG. I'm not a doctor but I do alot of research and reading.

-Gabacho.

[Asian Rain]

You mention Bangkok, my BBFS success rate is extremely high at NanaYour mailbox is full. Please clear some space and shoot me a PM so we can compare notes. Enjoy, AR.

[Gabacho]

Gabacho, bro

Also, looks like MRT Jakarta runs only in the South Jakarta and terminated as far north as Bundiran HI. The stations you mentioned show as under construction. Can you confirm that? Thanks.Confirmed as of 03 June 2025 at 5:45 pm.

This is the mangga besar station.

I took these pics as I passed by on a moto.

Gabacho.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Not bad GG.

I haven't seen this gem at lokasari yet.

Where are all the naysayers now?

They went back to into hiding apparently LOL..Hahaha, right?

I have several more lined up for this coming week / weekend. And there seem to be more different girls every time I go for a 3 piece at KFC.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Wow! Thanks GG for the nice teasing pics of Astri and an insightful field report.

The third pic reminds of 'Find the cat (read: Cherry) in the Pic' puzzle. Wink!Haha, yeah, she's a cutie. Talkative as hell too, LOL.

[NoGermaphobe]

Pretty sure the OP interpreted what you originally described, as the subway (MRT) system currently under construction in North Jakarta instead of the above ground Jakarta railway system that has been running for years.


Confirmed as of 03 June 2025 at 5:45 pm.

This is the mangga besar station.

I took these pics as I passed by on a moto.

Gabacho.

[Gabacho]

Pretty sure the OP interpreted what you originally described, as the subway (MRT) system currently under construction in North Jakarta instead of the above ground Jakarta railway system that has been running for years.So you're saying there are two different metro systems, one above ground and a new one below ground and they share the same stations?

Because OP said the stations I had mentioned previously (mangga besar and Sawah Besar) showed as "under construction. "

If that is the case that sounds pretty cool. Will you be able to transfer between the two different train systems, at the stations where they overlap?

Gabacho.

[NoGermaphobe]

Pretty sure the OP interpreted what you originally described, as the subway (MRT) system currently under construction in North Jakarta instead of the above ground Jakarta railway system that has been running for years.And I guess technically part of the new MRT system is above ground. The North-South line extension for the MRT is currently under construction is that is why Hayum Wuruk and Gadah Mada is all torn up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North%E2%80%93South_Line_(Jakarta_MRT)

The Mangga Besar Station on the Jakarta Railway line opened in 1992.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangga_Besar_railway_station

[Sriraj91]

Yeah. Ha. You take 80 MG your dick ain't ever coming down. If of course you don't die first. Def playing w fire here.I don't know this is the first time I bought these tablets, just got them out of curiosity.

It was 2 am outside classic, had two threesomes and drank too much so clearly I was out of my mind when I bought them LOL.

Erections were strong and lasted three days. So bad idea indeed.

[Boris1047]

Si, just enter the name of the meds into Goodrx and shop around, it's going to display bunch of pharmacies in your Zip. No need for any kind of paid membership, it's a free site producing coupon codes for you to show at retail pharmacy you choose upon pick up. It's funny, sometimes GoodRx is even cheaper than my insurance copays for some of the meds.

Thanks for MRT Jakarta info, it's so hard to find out online what is up and running and what is under construction. I never had a chance to ride MRT as I stayed close enough to Classic, just took Transjakarta bus # 5 twice I think.

Thanks for all the info and keep up good work bro!

Is Walmart really cheaper?

My first 2 refills of tadalafil I got at CVS which was a ripoff at $17 for 30 pills of 5 MG tadalafil then I found out about Costco and switched it to there and refilled my other 6 x 30 at Costco for $12.99 each.

I have heard of GoodRx but haven't attempted to use it before, don't you have to pay for that to join and then you get a reduced price for your prescriptions?

For me all my other stuff besides tadalafil and Sildenafil are covered by insurance so I don't know that I would use GoodRx enough to make a huge difference versus the Costco price.

And I can confirm that the Sawah Besar and Mangga Besar Metro stations are open and functioning. I drive past them literally everyday on a gojek or grab bike and see tons of people at both stations. I just took some video from the moto I was riding on as the train was pulling into mangga besar station and you can see people going up the escalator to the platforms.

The Sawah Besar station is within walking distance of Classic and the mangga besar station is within walking distance of Travel for those of you who may be curious to attempt using the public transportation instead of the Motorbikes or Bluebirds / Grab / etc.

Hope this info helps.

[NoGermaphobe]

From what I understand, the Jakarta railway and the Jakarta MRT are two separate metro systems. The Jakarta railway is like a regular railway. I am pretty sure I have seen freight trains on those various lines as well.

The Jakarta MRT is a mass rapid transit system only, powered by overhead catenary. Right now the MRT only goes from somewhere way south in Jakarta and ends at Bundaran HI. This is where Plaza Indonesia and the Hotel Indonesia Kempinski are.

The Jakarta MRT is being expanded from Bundaran HI until Monas (2027) and then eventually all the way to Stasiun Jakarta Kota (2028) and Ancol (2032). Other stops along the way will be Harmoni, Sawah Besar, Mangga Besar and Glodok. Some of these stations share the same name because they are named by area. But they are entirely separate stations on different metro systems. These are new underground stations being constructed under Jalan Hayam Wuruk / Gajah Mada. That street is a little west of the Jakarta railway line in your pictures, but parallel to it. If you take Mangga Besar all the way west until it ends, you should see the construction of the stations.

Point your grab to Malio Hotel/Malioboro Club/Malio Lounge & Club for an even more expensive session than Emporium if you take one of the dancers in the club or the imports and you will definitely see the construction.

You will be able to transfer from the Jakarta MRT (underground) to the Jakarta railway (above ground) at Stasiun Jakarta Kota near Kota Tua.

BTW. Bundaran HI means Roundabout Hotel Indonesia, if anyone was curious.


So you're saying there are two different metro systems, one above ground and a new one below ground and they share the same stations?

Because OP said the stations I had mentioned previously (mangga besar and Sawah Besar) showed as "under construction. "

If that is the case that sounds pretty cool. Will you be able to transfer between the two different train systems, at the stations where they overlap?

Gabacho.

[Jimmyzhu]

Does anyone know any cashback credit / debit cards that can be used in those establishments such as classic / travel /1001?

I was thinking of using the trading212 card, also do I presume contactless payment is available?

(Sorry if this is a repost).

[Hung Man 1808]

So you're saying there are two different metro systems, one above ground and a new one below ground and they share the same stations?

Because OP said the stations I had mentioned previously (mangga besar and Sawah Besar) showed as "under construction. "

If that is the case that sounds pretty cool. Will you be able to transfer between the two different train systems, at the stations where they overlap?

Gabacho.The big construction zone in the middle of Hayam Waruk (and strangely enough not seemingly replacing the cess pool that's apparently for drainage) is where those stations will be, as an extension of the MRT starting at the end of Jl Fatmawati and ending next to Plaza Indonesia. This has been operating for about 4 years or so now. There is also the elevated 'light rail' running up / down Rasuna Said and then following the tollway southward 'running' for a few years now. Featuring the slowest corner in the history of mankind when it started - 5 minutes to go round it. Yes, I timed it from the windows of my hotel.

Just out of curiosity. Have you ventured further south in Jakarta than Monas? As these should be apparent if you have. The amount of overpasses for roads, busways and the trains mentioned above built in the last decade is a major step change in traffic flow to the Jakarta of old. By old, I mean ten years or so back. 3 hours to get from Kunigan to Senayan was basically BAU. I was shocked to experience free flowing traffic down Rasuna Said a few years ago all day everyday. It used to BE a literal parking lot.

For reference, the Mangga Besar area (or let's just summarise it as 'Stadium') used to be the end of the night destination after bar / club crawling in the South, or as a quick stopover to a venue for a bit of play late afternoon / early evening. Pretty much all those are gone, leaving Travel / Classic / Lokasari area street in the North and CJs / BATS in the South (at a pinch, My Bar at Faletan too though more as a living museum piece now) as the last remaining elements of a by gone era. The good ol' days of splurging big time on a SilverBird Toyota Crown all night parked at call for you and your 'guests' for about 10 USD as you bounced between 5 or so venues per night. And then hit Stadium. Ah, memories. Though some can still be made, maybe not as frequently (and certainly not as cheaply) as possible in the naughties.

Hmm, the naughties. I'm referring to the decade, though it equally applies to the girls met back then!

[Gabacho]

The big construction zone in the middle of Hayam Waruk (and strangely enough not seemingly replacing the cess pool that's apparently for drainage) is where those stations will be, as an extension of the MRT starting at the end of Jl Fatmawati and ending next to Plaza Indonesia. This has been operating for about 4 years or so now. There is also the elevated 'light rail' running up / down Rasuna Said and then following the tollway southward 'running' for a few years now. Featuring the slowest corner in the history of mankind when it started - 5 minutes to go round it. Yes, I timed it from the windows of my hotel.

Just out of curiosity. Have you ventured further south in Jakarta than Monas? As these should be apparent if you have. The amount of overpasses for roads, busways and the trains mentioned above built in the last decade is a major step change in traffic flow to the Jakarta of old. By old, I mean ten years or so back. 3 hours to get from Kunigan to Senayan was basically BAU. I was shocked to experience free flowing traffic down Rasuna Said a few years ago all day everyday. It used to BE a literal parking lot.

For reference, the Mangga Besar area (or let's just summarise it as 'Stadium') used to be the end of the night destination after bar / club crawling in the South, or as a quick stopover to a venue for a bit of play late afternoon / early evening. Pretty much all those are gone, leaving Travel / Classic / Lokasari area street in the North and CJs / BATS in the South (at a pinch, My Bar at Faletan too though more as a living museum piece now) as the last remaining elements of a by gone era. The good ol' days of splurging big time on a SilverBird Toyota Crown all night parked at call for you and your 'guests' for about 10 USD as you bounced between 5 or so venues per night. And then hit Stadium. Ah, memories. Though some can still be made, maybe not as frequently (and certainly not as cheaply) as possible in the naughties.

Hmm, the naughties. I'm referring to the decade, though it equally applies to the girls met back then!Thank you for your detailed information on the different passenger rail systems in Jakarta. I mainly stay in the Pasar Baru area (Sawah Besar) and also frequent the Mangga Besar are as well. However one time I believe I did go south of Monas. Last year when I was here in November and December I seeked out a clinic that would give me the BCG Tuberculosis Vaccine (because I had sex with a Thai prostitute in Pattaya in September who told me she had recently recovered from Pulmonary Tuberculosis). During my search for a vaccine clinic I ended going very far into South Jakarta on a gojek that costed like 80 k and took like 60+ minutes to get me to the destination. The area was called Cibubur and I believe its in South Jakarta. I ended up eating at a local Indonesian food restaurant there called Bakso Podomoro where I tried Iga Bakar and Bakso soup for the first time. I wrote a report on the restaurant with pictures in the Jakarta Restaurants section in December. Great food and I highly recommend if you are ever in the area. Aging thank you for your detailed explanation of the different rail systems.

-Gabacho.


From what I understand, the Jakarta railway and the Jakarta MRT are two separate metro systems. The Jakarta railway is like a regular railway. I am pretty sure I have seen freight trains on those various lines as well.

The Jakarta MRT is a mass rapid transit system only, powered by overhead catenary. Right now the MRT only goes from somewhere way south in Jakarta and ends at Bundaran HI. This is where Plaza Indonesia and the Hotel Indonesia Kempinski are.

The Jakarta MRT is being expanded from Bundaran HI until Monas (2027) and then eventually all the way to Stasiun Jakarta Kota (2028) and Ancol (2032). Other stops along the way will be Harmoni, Sawah Besar, Mangga Besar and Glodok. Some of these stations share the same name because they are named by area. But they are entirely separate stations on different metro systems. These are new underground stations being constructed under Jalan Hayam Wuruk / Gajah Mada. That street is a little west of the Jakarta railway line in your pictures, but parallel to it. If you take Mangga Besar all the way west until it ends, you should see the construction of the stations.

Point your grab to Malio Hotel/Malioboro Club/Malio Lounge & Club for an even more expensive session than Emporium if you take one of the dancers in the club or the imports and you will definitely see the construction.

You will be able to transfer from the Jakarta MRT (underground) to the Jakarta railway (above ground) at Stasiun Jakarta Kota near Kota Tua.

BTW. Bundaran HI means Roundabout Hotel Indonesia, if anyone was curious.Thank you, NoGermaphobe for breaking that down for me, I'm used to cities having one Metro system such as in Mexico City and Medellin. I didn't realize there were multiple different systems each with there own lines. There are actually at least three separte Metro systems by the way, I looked it up last night. There is the MRT which is the newest Metro that is the one you mentioned and is the newest one and is currently being built. And yes I have seen the construction on Gajah Mada, I actually have been over there on a gojek many times and I have video footage of it as well. Gajah Mada is a mess with tonnes for macet (traffic) no matter what time of day and I prefer to avoid that street if possible.

Anyways so back to the rail systems, there are currently at least 3 different systems from what I can tell from my Wikipedia reading last night, the MRT, the LRT (which you also mentioned), and the KRL Commuter Line. So the Mangga Besar station and Sawah Besar station are on the KRL Metro Sytem which is the oldest of the three systems.

I believe it has lines that run all the way south to Bogor and also East to Bekasi and West to Tangerang. These are the red and white train cars on the elevated rail lines that can be seen near Classic and Travel and the station pictures I posted in my previous post were of this Metro the KRL not the MRT or LRT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRL_Commuterline

The LRT is a separate system with only one line that runs from Velodrome station to Pengangsaan station, according to Wikipedia. Also the LRT is also currently under construction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_LRT

Finally the MRT is the third and newest Metro system in Jakarta that will have the underground stations along Gajah Mada. This system has a limited functionality currently but will be quite expansive once it is completed in the 2030's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_MRT

-Gabacho.


Si, just enter the name of the meds into Goodrx and shop around, it's going to display bunch of pharmacies in your Zip. No need for any kind of paid membership, it's a free site producing coupon codes for you to show at retail pharmacy you choose upon pick up. It's funny, sometimes GoodRx is even cheaper than my insurance copays for some of the meds.

Thanks for MRT Jakarta info, it's so hard to find out online what is up and running and what is under construction. I never had a chance to ride MRT as I stayed close enough to Classic, just took Transjakarta bus # 5 twice I think.

Thanks for all the info and keep up good work bro!
Actually its not called MRT its called the KRL, still a Metro nonetheless. I may have mispoken when I said MRT station (See the above information).

-Gabacho.

[LetMeIn6969]

I just saw papasan David's story and they have a new S level girls at 650 k. Does anyone know anything about that? David didn't reply to my message.

[Safado70]

I just saw papasan David's story and they have a new S level girls at 650 k. Does anyone know anything about that? David didn't reply to my message.I don't think these are different girls. It's a different service. Maybe just massage?

[Boris1047]

Hey G, what is your plan after Indo. Are you giving up on Colombia? I find myself going to Cali more than to Meddy nowadays due to costs and general gringo vibe.

Thank you for your detailed information on the different passenger rail systems in Jakarta. I mainly stay in the Pasar Baru area (Sawah Besar) and also frequent the Mangga Besar are as well. However one time I believe I did go south of Monas. Last year when I was here in November and December I seeked out a clinic that would give me the BCG Tuberculosis Vaccine (because I had sex with a Thai prostitute in Pattaya in September who told me she had recently recovered from Pulmonary Tuberculosis). During my search for a vaccine clinic I ended going very far into South Jakarta on a gojek that costed like 80 k and took like 60+ minutes to get me to the destination. The area was called Cibubur and I believe its in South Jakarta. I ended up eating at a local Indonesian food restaurant there called Bakso Podomoro where I tried Iga Bakar and Bakso soup for the first time. I wrote a report on the restaurant with pictures in the Jakarta Restaurants section in December. Great food and I highly recommend if you are ever in the area. Aging thank you for your detailed explanation of the different rail systems.

[Safado70]

I've got a response from Sari. It's different girls with a different service. No pool time, you go straight to the room. Currently there are only 3 of them. There is no minimum tip for them.

[Pk099]

Is Walmart really cheaper?.I got 30 pills of 100 MG Sildenafil for 14.99 at Costco last week.

[Hung Man 1808]

During my search for a vaccine clinic I ended going very far into South Jakarta on a gojek that costed like 80 k and took like 60+ minutes to get me to the destination. The area was called Cibubur and I believe its in South Jakarta.
Wow anymore south and you'll be seeing penguins and snow. That's quite a bit further down from where I'd expect specialist care to be found (Kemang and Pondok Indah spring to mind here). Quite possibly you even avoided going down Surdiman and into the SCBD area to get on the tollway to head down to Cibubur. You possibly went East and then down. So much if not all of what I detailed you may not have seen.

If you haven't been past Grand Indonesia, Plaza Indonesia, Hyatt and the big fountain in the middle of the roundabout that many foreign journalists like to do Jakarta news coverage from, you wouldn't have seen any of the train lines / overpasses I mentioned. For a change I'd suggest doing just that. It will be eye opening compared to the North. Do the busway running down Hayam Waruk to the South for a more scenic view to start. At Blok M you can catch the MRT, after a bit of walking to get to the elevated station. Then go to the last stop and busway a trip up to Pondok Indah and Gandaria malls and see how the other half (or 1%) live. Can even stop off at Mr. Braid across the road from Gandaria mall. Loop back through Senayan on the busway and MRT it back to Plaza Indonesia and busway it home. There's a solid day and night for you.

And get a BCA Flazz card at an Indomaret or Alphamart and put maybe 50 k on it. You can tag on and off the buses, trains etc with it. Also suitable for paying tollway charges. Not that I think you use that! Also useful for the train line to cut your walking up to Lokasari. Go south to Gambir station and busway over to Sarinah and then down the Surdiman busway. So many possibilities to be stared at by locals wondering why you've gone native on public transport. Actually, they don't even seem to do that nowdays. Bule aren't a novelty, or rock stars, or both, anymore.

Actually, you'll need the card for the MRT. First time I went to use it, I tried to figure out how to pay cash to get onboard, like I used to on the busway. The assistant saw me, and helpfully guided me over... to the station exit! Because foreigners shouldn't be using this stuff. Took a while to a) figure out I needed the card, and b) find one to buy and load. Once done, pretty easy to tag on and off all over public transport in Jakarta, and recharge at Indomarets etc.



I ended up eating at a local Indonesian food restaurant there called Bakso Podomoro where I tried Iga Bakar and Bakso soup for the first time.
Unless there are a heap of copycat restaurants, google says you ate at a branch of a restaurant chain. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[Gabacho]

Hey G, what is your plan after Indo. Are you giving up on Colombia? I find myself going to Cali more than to Meddy nowadays due to costs and general gringo vibe.Hello Mr Boris.

No I haven't given up on Colombia or Medellin at all. In fact I love Colombia, from the culture to the chicas to the caldo de costilla and arepitas. It is true that there are alot of gringos in Medellin, but you can easily avoid them by venturing out into the barrios such as Santo Domingo bario up in the hills, or even expanding out into the other towns and pueblos. Last time I was there I spent some time in Pereira and Armenia and had some positive experiences bother mongering and non-mongering. I have also been to Cali twice, both times I stayed in El Obrero and banged the street talent there. I still have an apartment I maintain in Medellin and have an excellent relationship with the landlord señora who keeps an eye on my place and even cleans the dust and sends me walk through videos each month. I still have many connections to Colombia.

Unfortunately however, right after my most recent trip to Colombia concluded in March of 2024, I began receiving death threats from the boyfriend of one of my barrio chicas I had been seeing in Medellin.

He quoted some Spanish military proverb in a message he sent me: "En guerra avisada no muere soldado why si muere es por descuido. " which would translate roughly into English as a soldier who is warned doesn't die in war but if he does die it is for carelessness.

He then continued on to say: "apenas llegues a Colombia te vamos a desaparecer" which means as soon as you arrive to Colombia we are going to disappear you.

So I take it this guy was pretty upset that I was banging his girlfriend LOL.

I haven't ever mentioned this on ISG before but after I received those messages I decided to take a break from my beloved Colombia and explore other places. Plus I had always wanted to explore Southeast Asia. I spent two months in Thailand, one month in the Philippines, and two months in Jakarta last year and I had a great time here and I especially fell in love with Jakarta, so in a way the death threats from the jealous boyfriend in Medellin turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

It has however been almost a year and half now since I received those threats, and the chica has even contacted me telling me that the guy is in prison for something. I guess he used to beat her or something. So I am actually planning to return but I am not exactly sure when, and to be honest I really am loving Jakarta now and it feels much safer here than in Colombia. There were also many weird things that were happening in Colombia particularly around the time of the election in October 2023 that I never mentioned on here either. I remember one time I went outside on a regular Tuesday morning to go down to Centro and there were no busses running and hardly no people outside in the barrio and all the shops and tiendas were completely closed up as if it was night time but it was 11 am. I later found out it was something called a parado armado and local gangs had told everyone to stay home and not leave their houses that day or risk getting shot. Luckily nothing happened to me though.

Personally, I feel that Southeast Asia is much safer than Colombia, not only for mongers but for foreigners in general. I haven't received any threats from anyone here, and nothing has ever been stolen from me here either.

So to answer your question, I do plan on making it back to Colombia eventually but I am not exactly sure of when I will go back.

-Gabacho.

[NoGermaphobe]

For those in Jakarta. The Idul Adha is Friday, June 6. It should be a public holiday and most businesses will be closed. You may also want to be on the lookout for bars closing early the day before.

You may want to make arrangements that day for alternative fun if you can.

[Fudimaar]

1) I was in Travel on Tue, and explained to numerous girls, at the introduction stage, that I want the 'GF treatment'. For me, that's kissing and BBBJ.

They all asked "BJ with condom?" and I would say "No, without condom", and 80% of them apologised and rejected me! WTF? BBBJ is standard in Classic.

I made sure not to mention BBBJ to the girls until they asked me specifically. (I ALWAYS have sex with condom, and clarified that to them.).

Is covered BJ normal at Travel?

2) I was disappointed that there were only about 30 girls sat in the main area, and then discovered, with the help of a Mamasan, that there is a large room.

Behind where the live band is, and that contained like 70 girls. It's difficult to see the girls properly as they're all squeezed together.

What's the deal with this room?

[LucaDali]

Information about Classic: Opening hours: 1st floor until 3 am Best time to come I think from 9 pm, 2nd floor until 2 am Best time to come I think 6:30 pm, 5th floor until 4 am Best time to come 9 pm.That's closing, what about opening? If I want a girl in the morning can I find one?

[Boris1047]

Hey Gabacho, thanks for a detailed reply. Wow, sorry to hear about your troubles in Meddy. Hopefully that guy is locked up for awhile. I completely agree re safety. Never have to worry about that in Indo. After visiting Indo back in May I was thinking to myself how much I love Indo and Classic and how safe and affordable it is, so I booked September trip first day I got back to the US. Then few weeks later while visiting Cali and Meddy I was thinking how much I love Colombia and Latinas, how passionate and interactive they could be compared to Indo Chikas even with my very limited Spanish. It's a tough choice bro. Good luck and keep reporting your adventures, always very refreshing and informative! Thanks for that.

[Gabacho]

For those in Jakarta. The Idul Adha is Friday, June 6. It should be a public holiday and most businesses will be closed. You may also want to be on the lookout for bars closing early the day before.

You may want to make arrangements that day for alternative fun if you can.It's actually both Thursday and Friday (June 5 & 6). I just walked up to classic earlier tonight and it was completely closed (that was around 11 pm). The security dudes told me both T2 and T5 were closed and the club on the ground floor too and they would be closed tomorrow (Friday) also. They said they would all be back open on Saturday and just the hotel is open for the 2 days but none of the clubs / brothels.

-Gabacho.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

That's closing, what about opening? If I want a girl in the morning can I find one?There are tons of willing women on MiChat at all hours but in order to install the app you need an Indo sim card or E-sim card, which is what I'm Telkomsel. Buy online from their website then wait a couple of days for it to be activated. You have to fill out some kind of online government form but it's definitely well worth the trouble.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Sharing a MiChat sample here. Super sweet and super shy 18 yo Aura contacted me on MiChat then shifted to Whatsapp for a hookup in my Mangga Besar room. Came alone (surprisingly) and assured me she works alone from home with no mamasan and was adamant that she was not a Lokasari girl. Damage for this lovely GFE was only 400 k IDR with a 50 k tip that she was thrilled with. Body and face better in person than the pix suggest.

[Gabacho]

Sharing a MiChat sample here. Super sweet and super shy 18 yo Aura contacted me on MiChat then shifted to Whatsapp for a hookup in my Mangga Besar room. Came alone (surprisingly) and assured me she works alone from home with no mamasan and was adamant that she was not a Lokasari girl. Damage for this lovely GFE was only 400 k IDR with a 50 k tip that she was thrilled with. Body and face better in person than the pix suggest.Greetings GG,

This is some of your best work from what I have seen here, excellent find brother!

I may have to get on MiChat my damn self and check it out. I thought I had tried it last year and wasn't having any luck (maybe that was WeChat) it was the one where you can see people nearby or something. I just kept getting girls asking me send a deposit or something so I just wrote it off as bullshit and continued using classic and my civvies connection.

This time around I've been using Classic alot less, I've actually only been there like 6 times so far and I've been here almost a month. I think I've literally fucked like more than 15 lokasari girls I've gotten from Angun tho.

And my civvy connections have blown up too I now have 4 different girls referring me new girls and with each new girl they all want to give me their WhatsApp and then they have their friends they want to offer me too. This shit is literally blowing up now. And get this, even the cigarette smoking hotel worker dudes have pimped out their girlfriends to me too, I went to Classic the other night and it was closed for Eid Al Adha or whatever but I ended up on mangga besar at 1 am in the morning fucking this 19 year old beauty named JeJe. I made sure to get her number too.

Jakarta truly is a monger's paradise!

-Gabacho.

[Werqweq]

There are tons of willing women on MiChat at all hours but in order to install the app you need an Indo sim card or E-sim card, which is what I'm Telkomsel. Buy online from their website then wait a couple of days for it to be activated. You have to fill out some kind of online government form but it's definitely well worth the trouble.Must be something new, that. I still have michat installed from when you mentioned it last year, using my thai p4p-phone number.

[Paolo99]

1) 2) I was disappointed that there were only about 30 girls sat in the main area, and then discovered, with the help of a Mamasan, that there is a large room.

Behind where the live band is, and that contained like 70 girls. It's difficult to see the girls properly as they're all squeezed together.

What's the deal with this room?That's the main area where you meet the available girls.

The area with the band is for people who want to enjoy the show.

You've got to find a strategic place to look the girls walking from their couch before being lined in front of the Asian customers. That's the best way to see what they really look like.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Must be something new, that. I still have michat installed from when you mentioned it last year, using my thai p4p-phone number.Glad it's working for you. I could not get it to show up to download until I was on the ground here with a Telkomsel E-sim with number installed.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Greetings GG,

This is some of your best work from what I have seen here, excellent find brother!

I may have to get on MiChat my damn self and check it out. I thought I had tried it last year and wasn't having any luck (maybe that was WeChat) it was the one where you can see people nearby or something. I just kept getting girls asking me send a deposit or something so I just wrote it off as bullshit and continued using classic and my civvies connection.

This time around I've been using Classic alot less, I've actually only been there like 6 times so far and I've been here almost a month. I think I've literally fucked like more than 15 lokasari girls I've gotten from Angun tho.

And my civvy connections have blown up too I now have 4 different girls referring me new girls and with each new girl they all want to give me their WhatsApp and then they have their friends they want to offer me too. This shit is literally blowing up now. And get this, even the cigarette smoking hotel worker dudes have pimped out their girlfriends to me too, I went to Classic the other night and it was closed for Eid Al Adha or whatever but I ended up on mangga besar at 1 am in the morning fucking this 19 year old beauty named JeJe. I made sure to get her number too.

Jakarta truly is a monger's paradise!

-Gabacho.Haha, thanks mate! Yes, Michat is a gold mine. Once the app shows me as online and nearby, the pings never stop. A few of them have asked for 800 k (rightttt.) but I always counter just to see if they'd go for it. They all halved their original price. But I've only done three from the app so far, and all at 400 k or less, and all 18 or 19 yo and hot.

I'm with you on the deposit requests. Have gotten a few of those which I immediately block.

Seriouisly, give it a shot.

[Banana Boi]

Behind where the live band is, and that contained like 70 girls. It's difficult to see the girls properly as they're all squeezed together.

What's the deal with this room?Girls are easy to see at Classic and Travel. You can even walk right up to the ones you are interested in. I'm assuming you haven't been to many of the other bars like Kota Indah, New Medika, etc. Now those girls are difficult to see if they're buried 10 deep in the corner. Those are the bars you need a mamasan to pull them out from their "hiding spot'.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I swear I'm not getting a commission for promoting Michat but it's just too easy. Here's how to do it.

First you must have an Indonesian SIM card or E SIM card with a local number. I got mine through Telekomsel and the process takes a day or two. You will get an email when it's ready.

Simply download the Michat app and create an account. Put up a decent picture of yourself. Nothing nude or your account will get banned immediately.

Simply navigate to the people nearby section and sit there. After I minute or so you'll start getting message and friend requests. Or you can just start messaging girls you think you'd be interested in.

Some will put their ages and what they're offering, some will not. It's all negotiable. I've had a few girls ask me for 800 k but quickly agreed to a counter offer of 400 k or 500 k. The ones who don't, I simply block. Most of the girls seem to be doing this whole time as a profession but there are quite a few hidden gems also, students or part-timers. Those can be had for 300 k.

Most of them do not speak any English or very little. But that's easily resolved by using Google translate.

I've I already posted samples of girls I've met with and here are a few more who I probably will at some point haha. All three asking for 400 k.

Enjoy and report your results!

[Fudimaar]

Girls are easy to see at Classic and Travel. You can even walk right up to the ones you are interested in. I'm assuming you haven't been to many of the other bars like Kota Indah, New Medika, etc. Now those girls are difficult to see if they're buried 10 deep in the corner. Those are the bars you need a mamasan to pull them out from their "hiding spot'.Thanks BB and Paolo for the responses. So far, I've only explored Classic and Travel and most of the blowjob bars in Kelapa Gading.

I've been to these places often enough that none of the mamasans bother me now.

I want to explore the Kota Indah bars this week.

I have a request. I like big girls. Women, as opposed to girls. Think wide hips, chunky thighs, big ass, like Latinas. Sadly, Asia is not the right place for this. However, I've banged many civvies here.

Who are on the curvy side. Unfortunately, most of the girls in Classic are the tiny, petite, skinny types. Some of them would look 14 years old if I saw them in public. Literally less than 5% of the girls.

There meet my criteria. Are there any bars in Kota Indah that have more curvier girls? More 'women' as opposed to 'girls'? Also, what's the pricing structure in KI?

BTW, I visit Classic about 3 times a week. If anyone wants to meet up there and exchange details about which girls give good service, I'll be up for that.

Cheers guys.

[Sriraj91]

You may wait for the visa on arrival. But to fill out the form of the eVisa it takes even more time! Those chaps who created the from just wanted to prove what smart asses they are:

2 attachement you must provide as PDF and not jpg.

Once you scroll back, you get thrown out and must start all a new.

The english translation is confusing: tourist or work is not the same as tourist and family visit.

If you only got one handy, its almost impossibe to finish it. If you do it, do it back home using a laptop where you can move beteen several windows.

The two other apps / forms for customs and for health check are more easy to handle.

Positive: on departure you don't need any form anymore: just put your passport on the scanner --and here you go.

OK, guys, lets wait when the first order station for the chicks at TravelHotel are made like the McDonald order colums: you choose what you want by photos and tick if you wish some special treatments. And then pay, you get a number and the girl wll show up.

Silly digital times. I hate that "progress".True I reach Jakarta airport early morning, there is no queue for VOA, just takes couple minutes. Better than submitting a form on internet.

[PartyAnimal]

Si, just enter the name of the meds into Goodrx and shop around, it's going to display bunch of pharmacies in your Zip. No need for any kind of paid membership, it's a free site producing coupon codes for you to show at retail pharmacy you choose upon pick up. It's funny, sometimes GoodRx is even cheaper than my insurance copays for some of the meds.

Thanks for MRT Jakarta info, it's so hard to find out online what is up and running and what is under construction. I never had a chance to ride MRT as I stayed close enough to Classic, just took Transjakarta bus # 5 twice I think.

Thanks for all the info and keep up good work bro!

Is Walmart really cheaper?

My first 2 refills of tadalafil I got at CVS which was a ripoff at $17 for 30 pills of 5 MG tadalafil then I found out about Costco and switched it to there and refilled my other 6 x 30 at Costco for $12.99 each.

I have heard of GoodRx but haven't attempted to use it before, don't you have to pay for that to join and then you get a reduced price for your prescriptions?

For me all my other stuff besides tadalafil and Sildenafil are covered by insurance so I don't know that I would use GoodRx enough to make a huge difference versus the Costco price.

And I can confirm that the Sawah Besar and Mangga Besar Metro stations are open and functioning. I drive past them literally everyday on a gojek or grab bike and see tons of people at both stations. I just took some video from the moto I was riding on as the train was pulling into mangga besar station and you can see people going up the escalator to the platforms.

The Sawah Besar station is within walking distance of Classic and the mangga besar station is within walking distance of Travel for those of you who may be curious to attempt using the public transportation instead of the Motorbikes or Bluebirds / Grab / etc.

Hope this info helps.There is a Costco in Jakarta? Where?

[United1]

I'm in my very early 30's, not sure what's considered old in Indonesia LOL maybe 50+? I'll check out Zoo and H Club. I'm guessing you mean The Cocktail Club when you say TCC. Any tips and tricks on how to game them there? Thanks, sucks Wednesday night is ladies night everywhere. Gives me FOMO on deciding the best spots since I like to bar hop to find the vibes. What time is best to get to any club? Want to get there right before it gets packed or get the bracelets / markings so I can just walk right in later when everything gets good.A few people asks me on PM about nicer bars and clubs in South Jakatta.

TBH. I don't know what top 5 bars are in south Jakarta. Remember, south Jakarta is more affluent, beautiful people and so I don't knows how easy to pick up indo lasses, unlike other mainstream bars and clubs where less wealthy go. Some of the nicer places are TCC, Pantja, H club, CosmoPony, Kilo Lounge, Salthy Fish (new one), Anthem (new club), Koda, Do Not Distub. 25 HR hotel. Oddbird. But these are classy place with nicer cocktails.

[Chilli1]

And my civvy connections have blown up too I now have 4 different girls referring me new girls and with each new girl they all want to give me their WhatsApp and then they have their friends they want to offer me too. This shit is literally blowing up now. And get this, even the cigarette smoking hotel worker dudes have pimped out their girlfriends to me too, I went to Classic the other night and it was closed for Eid Al Adha or whatever but I ended up on mangga besar at 1 am in the morning fucking this 19 year old beauty named JeJe. I made sure to get her number too.

Jakarta truly is a monger's paradise!

-Gabacho.You paying every 400 k to 500 k for meet?

Dome of civies dates refused to go pasar baru area or asked if I'm going to girls place there LOL.

As long you can choose good.

There are ugly ones, fat ones, few want you to take to restaurant etc from online date apps.

[Pk099]

True I reach Jakarta airport early morning, there is no queue for VOA, just takes couple minutes. Better than submitting a form on internet.Do you need Indo currency or can pay in USD for VOA?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Do you need Indo currency or can pay in USD for VOA?You need rupiah.

[Jimmyzhu]

Going to be bring in Prep and Doxy, do I need to declare these when I arrive at the airport?

Can anyone tell me if I actually actually need a doctors note?

It will just be 24 pills altogether if anything.

[BenderOver]

Do you need Indo currency or can pay in USD for VOA?You have always and can still pay in USD. Precovid, exchange rate clocked in at $35. It went up to $37 briefly during the slump of the USD but I'm pretty sure it's back to $35. It's supposed to reflect the converted value of 500 k but I never noticed a benefit even during a 16.5 k conversion rate like it is now. If you pay $40 or whatever, the change you get is in IDR. You can do it in person or through the website, though I'm pretty sure the in person counter is just punching your stuff into the website.

One consistent note that I didn't confirm yet. If you use the cash counter, you can use the automated gates upon entry but when you leave, the automated gates will red light you and send you to the agent counter for a stamp. This is my theory because it's happened a few times to me now.

[Hung Man 1808]

True I reach Jakarta airport early morning, there is no queue for VOA, just takes couple minutes. Better than submitting a form on internet.Early morning (say, 6 am) there isn't much of a queue for anything, give it a few hours though and you'll seriously regret that choice.

I'm not even sure I've arrived at Terminal 3 since the advent of eVOAs, but the breeze it makes in Terminal 2 vs the old arrivals process (and ditto in Bali, even more so) makes up for any issues with the website. It has appeared stable and consistent this year, unlike the chaos of past years.

Plus any chance to avoid dealing with ANY immigration people in Indonesia is highly welcomed. The extent of my interaction before hitting curbside recently has been the customs guy holding up the scanner to read my barcode. Nobody has asked to see the health declaration, and I haven't even seen the counter or whatever it is for the 'Bali Tax' for visiting that place. If you are joining the long queues in Bali to process onsite, I doubt you avoid this. Jakarta is even easier, but more questioning immigration staff. Strolling down, hitting the gate and out to collect bags without dealing with a single Indonesian and the opportunity to score some Oleh Oleh from you is a vast improvement. Even the bags seem to be coming out quicker these days. It has hit 50 minutes or more in the past.

Paying for everything in rupiah, via a card or even tap and pay on your phone with Google Pay (no idea on Apple) is an extra cherry on top of the sweetness of modern electronic transactions in Indonesia. Never thought I'd say that about the place.

[Gabacho]

You paying every 400 k to 500 k for meet?

Dome of civies dates refused to go pasar baru area or asked if I'm going to girls place there LOL.

As long you can choose good.

There are ugly ones, fat ones, few want you to take to restaurant etc from online date apps.Even less if it's a repeat girl. The 400 k is including a finders fee to the girl who refers the new girl plus the new girl's fee.

Yesterday I fucked my original civvy for only 250 k bbfscip then we spent the day together at an amusement park called Dunia Fantasi (Dufan for short) which is located on the north side of town in the Ancol Beach area.

We had a great time together and it felt like I was with a real girlfriend.

For those of you who say there is nothing to do in Jakarta, you must have not been to Dunia Fantasi yet. They also have a water park there called Atlantis, a Seaworld, and a Zoo as well and it is all located near the beach and they have a cable car line going over the beach and water too.

A quick Google search shows that there are various water parks with water slides here and tons of different malls all through the city and the Ancol Complex with all thee great attractions.

So how is there nothing to do here?

-Gabacho.

[HarryReams]

Just becareful if asked what the medication is for (eg not catching hiv) and your intentions are for your stay. I'd be inclined to buy my medication in Indonesia on arrival.

The Embassy of Indonesia does not have the authority to confirm the legality of specific medications.

However, we are pleased to provide the following guidelines from the Customs of Indonesia to assist in ensuring compliance with Indonesian regulations and to clarify the process for declaring prescribed medications upon arrival:

Doctor's Letter: It is advisable to carry a letter from your doctor or specialist outlining your medical condition, specifying the prescribed medication and dosage, and confirming that the medication is for personal use only.

Prescription and Receipts: Please bring the original or a copy of your prescription, along with a receipt from the pharmacy.

Original Packaging: Medications should be kept in their original packaging to facilitate identification. It is recommended not to transfer them to alternative containers.

Quantity: It is important to carry only the amount of medication required for the duration of your stay in Indonesia.

Customs Declaration: Prescribed medications must be declared upon arrival. While this can be done manually at the airport, we encourage using the Electronic Customs Declaration form to expedite the process and reduce waiting times. This can be submitted online via https://ecd.beacukai.go.id/. Once submitted, a QR code and reference number will be emailed to you, which should be presented to customs officials upon your arrival in Indonesia. Please be advised that the Electronic Customs Declaration (ECD) form can only be completed within two days prior to your departure.

Over-the-counter Medications: Common over-the-counter medications, such as those for flu, cough, or diarrhea, as well as most vitamins, generally do not require supporting documentation.

Please be aware that the final decision regarding the entry of any medication into Indonesia rests with the Directorate-General of Customs and is at the discretion of the customs officers.


Going to be bring in Prep and Doxy, do I need to declare these when I arrive at the airport?

Can anyone tell me if I actually actually need a doctors note?

It will just be 24 pills altogether if anything.

[TotalFreak]

I travelled to Jakarta for the first time in April 2025; I stayed at the 'Luminor Hotel Pecenongan by WH'. (close to Classic).

I went to Travel, Classic, Malio, 1001 and Sari Ayu. Malio is my favourite, as they have gorgeous and curated girls. Indo girls are divided into two categories: 1. 3 M and 1. 8 M.

Classic (L2) is far better than Travel IMO. In Classic, you can roam around and view all the girls, but in Travel, most of the girls are behind the stage and only a few are shown by the Mamasons, and they are pushy compared to Classic.

1001 - both spa & club are a rip-off. Indo girls are good but you will get the same type of girls in Classic. 1001 is off my list.

I went to Sari Ayu on my last day, which was different from the above establishments; there are no tags and no entry fee. Drink prices are higher than those of Classic. They feature a diverse mix of locals and a good selection of girls. Overall, an eye-opening experience, and this place is a paradise.

I have booked my second trip in July. After RTFF, I will try other spots, including Emporium, Lokasari area, and other establishments in the Kota area.

Cheers, TF.

[XXL]

Going to be bring in Prep and Doxy, do I need to declare these when I arrive at the airport?

Can anyone tell me if I actually actually need a doctors note?

It will just be 24 pills altogether if anything.Antimicrobials are uncontrovertial IMO. I'd be more worried about sleeping pills (zolpidem, benzos etc.).

If you follow the letter of the law you're hardly allowed to bring anything. What about aspirins, peptobismol, immodium, . I always travel with a whole private pharmacy of such drugs.

[Lumens]

Even less if it's a repeat girl. The 400 k is including a finders fee to the girl who refers the new girl plus the new girl's fee.

Yesterday I fucked my original civvy for only 250 k bbfscip then we spent the day together at an amusement park called Dunia Fantasi (Dufan for short) which is located on the north side of town in the Ancol Beach area.

We had a great time together and it felt like I was with a real girlfriend.

For those of you who say there is nothing to do in Jakarta, you must have not been to Dunia Fantasi yet. They also have a water park there called Atlantis, a Seaworld, and a Zoo as well and it is all located near the beach and they have a cable car line going over the beach and water too.

A quick Google search shows that there are various water parks with water slides here and tons of different malls all through the city and the Ancol Complex with all thee great attractions.

So how is there nothing to do here?

-Gabacho.So just to be clear how much exactly is the finder fee? Are they all FL lokasari type girls? Or are they civies who thought they would road test the wild side for a day? As a concept this has the added benefit of them not wanting to make their referring friend look bad / pissed off.

[Gabacho]

Antimicrobials are uncontrovertial IMO. I'd be more worried about sleeping pills (zolpidem, benzos etc.).

If you follow the letter of the law you're hardly allowed to bring anything. What about aspirins, peptobismol, immodium, . I always travel with a whole private pharmacy of such drugs.I brought in a shit ton of tadalafil, Sildenafil, doxycycline, and valacyclovir which I did not declare. All are legally prescribed in the US with my name on the bottles and I have my Sutter Health App on my phone showing all my prescriptions. I wasn't asked about anything tho. The dude just scanned my QR code and let me in. It's not like you're bringing weed or cocaine or anything illegal. Maybe narcotic painkillers like oxycodon might be different but no one cares if you forgot to declare your viagra or herpes pills LOL.

Gabacho.

[Gabacho]

So just to be clear how much exactly is the finder fee? Are they all FL lokasari type girls? Or are they civies who thought they would road test the wild side for a day? As a concept this has the added benefit of them not wanting to make their referring friend look bad / pissed off.Depends on the girl I'm going thru. Some are 200/200 some are 200/100. The hotel dude didn't want anything and I gave 300 k to his girlfriend. Angun from Lokasari is 300 k and the girls get nothing unless if I give them a tip which can range from nothing to 20 k to 50 k at the most.

Basically as a rule of thumb I never go over 400 k plus the short time room. And contrary to what AR has said, I prefer to use a short time room when dealing with lokasari girls or random civvies because I don't want to bring everyone under the Sun back to my place where I have all my belongings and my laptop and remote work station. And my civvies are more like semi-pro I guess but they aren't lokasari street girls they are definitely a step up from that.

Gabacho.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Met this cutie named Nova on Michat through the people nearby function. She messaged me first actually and I'm glad she did because she turned out to be the best shag of my stay here so far. Just turned 18, so she said, and still had a very cute baby face. Not to mention a rocking body that she definitely knew what to do with. Seriously top level shag and she didn't mind showing off her body for pictures after we finished. While in the middle of it she remarked how her best friend would definitely love my dlck so she's going to set me up with her soon. Hell of a deal for 400 k IDR!

[Gabacho]

I was just as T2 and when paying the 365 k to a mamasan I counted out 7 50 k bills and a 10 k and 2 2 ks and 1 1 k and thr mamasan refused the 10 k, 2 k, and 1 k notes and asked for another 50 k instead and then paid the cashier and brought me back the 35 k stapled together for my change.

I'm pretty sure I remember last year I paid with exact change and it was accepted. Not that it's a big deal but I wonder why would she not accept the smaller bills.

Gabacho.

[Goferring]

Met this cutie named Nova on Michat through the people nearby function. She messaged me first actually and I'm glad she did because she turned out to be the best shag of my stay here so far. Just turned 18, so she said, and still had a very cute baby face. Not to mention a rocking body that she definitely knew what to do with. Seriously top level shag and she didn't mind showing off her body for pictures after we finished. While in the middle of it she remarked how her best friend would definitely love my dlck so she's going to set me up with her soon. Hell of a deal for 400 k IDR!Great to hear that you had a good time.

Does WiChat still require new accounts to be verified by an existing member ie you can't just install the app and away you go??

Thanks. G.

[XXL]

I was just as T2 and when paying the 365 k to a mamasan I counted out 7 50 k bills and a 10 k and 2 2 ks and 1 1 k and thr mamasan refused the 10 k, 2 k, and 1 k notes and asked for another 50 k instead and then paid the cashier and brought me back the 35 k stapled together for my change.

I'm pretty sure I remember last year I paid with exact change and it was accepted. Not that it's a big deal but I wonder why would she not accept the smaller bills.

Gabacho.They want you to have the opportunity of waving the change and leaving it as tip to the mamasan? Before I go to the room I always spend some time grappling with that pesky staple. Unstapling the 35 k has become emblematic of "being in Classic". I'm getting better at it with time. It's the kind of precious skills I've developped mongering in Jakarta.

[GreenBud]

I was just as T2 and when paying the 365 k to a mamasan I counted out 7 50 k bills and a 10 k and 2 2 ks and 1 1 k and thr mamasan refused the 10 k, 2 k, and 1 k notes and asked for another 50 k instead and then paid the cashier and brought me back the 35 k stapled together for my change.

I'm pretty sure I remember last year I paid with exact change and it was accepted. Not that it's a big deal but I wonder why would she not accept the smaller bills.

Gabacho.That would kind of make sense. I think they only want 5 K notes.

When you leave and pay the cashier, they round down to the nearest 5 K with your change. Example: If the bill was 393 K, and you gave them 400 K, they would give you back 5 K in change.

I still haven't figured out the exact pricing structure. There is a 5 K entrance fee. A large Bintang is 115 K; I paid 120 K if I have only 1 beer. If I get additional beers, the bill doesn't go in multiple of 115 K. There must be some kind of small discount for multiple beers, or maybe multiple girls. It's only a small amount; that's why you get the odd number for the bill (not multiples of 5 K).

[Giovanni Volo]

Thanks for you Michat suggestion.

But how can you be sure that the girl is really the one in the pictures?

Is this an app for general use, or made to meet up? Can I ask how is better to introduce ourself. Be just clear about what we expected and price, or do general chat a little bit before?

Thank you.


Met this cutie named Nova on Michat through the people nearby function. She messaged me first actually and I'm glad she did because she turned out to be the best shag of my stay here so far. Just turned 18, so she said, and still had a very cute baby face. Not to mention a rocking body that she definitely knew what to do with. Seriously top level shag and she didn't mind showing off her body for pictures after we finished. While in the middle of it she remarked how her best friend would definitely love my dlck so she's going to set me up with her soon. Hell of a deal for 400 k IDR!

[LetMeIn6969]

Thanks for you Michat suggestion.

But how can you be sure that the girl is really the one in the pictures?

Is this an app for general use, or made to meet up? Can I ask how is better to introduce ourself. Be just clear about what we expected and price, or do general chat a little bit before?

Thank you.You can never be sure. That's why I meet the girls near my hotel first for a coffee date. If she is who she is in the picture, then you can proceed with dinner date if she's a civi. If she's a pro or semi-pro, she will either ask you directly or give subtle hints about PPM.

[LetMeIn6969]

I was just as T2 and when paying the 365 k to a mamasan I counted out 7 50 k bills and a 10 k and 2 2 ks and 1 1 k and thr mamasan refused the 10 k, 2 k, and 1 k notes and asked for another 50 k instead and then paid the cashier and brought me back the 35 k stapled together for my change.

I'm pretty sure I remember last year I paid with exact change and it was accepted. Not that it's a big deal but I wonder why would she not accept the smaller bills.

Gabacho.I think you're from America. I hope you have a travel credit card, you get great value out of that card. Classic and Emporium coded as Food and Restaurant on my Chase Sapphire card, 3 x on spending. No more fumbling and counting cash in dim lit room. Win win for me!

[Safado70]

The bars at kota indah have a couple of well known downsides: the rooms are just horrible, it's very difficult to get a decent blowjob, and many girls are so bule dick scared that they stay in awkward positions to stop you from penetrating too far. But there are many girls available and certainly a few gems to be found.

If you find a gem, you can take advantage of a unique pricing option. ST is 400, LT is 2 juta, similar to classic. BUT 3 hours including 2 shots is just 800 k. At classic this would cost you 3 x 365 k.

For me, 3 hours is perfect because at my age this is more or less my refractory period. I call the girl to my hotel. This is obviously best done when I repeat with a girl. But I love to do this anyway. Time only start to run when the girl arrives at my place, I avoid the horrendous traffic to get to Kota indah and we have sex in my nice hotel bed instead of the disgusting and soft mattresses of KI. We have sex, kill some time by watching tv or grabbing some food and have sex again. I love it!

[Boris1047]

Hey G, if you do not mind. How did you get your first civilian that you built your stable from? Is that thru some Lokasari chika? And # 2 - do you keep a rental in Meddy or you got your own place? Thanks.

Depends on the girl I'm going thru. Some are 200/200 some are 200/100. The hotel dude didn't want anything and I gave 300 k to his girlfriend. Angun from Lokasari is 300 k and the girls get nothing unless if I give them a tip which can range from nothing to 20 k to 50 k at the most.

Basically as a rule of thumb I never go over 400 k plus the short time room. And contrary to what AR has said, I prefer to use a short time room when dealing with lokasari girls or random civvies because I don't want to bring everyone under the Sun back to my place where I have all my belongings and my laptop and remote work station. And my civvies are more like semi-pro I guess but they aren't lokasari street girls they are definitely a step up from that.

Gabacho.

[TotalFreak]

Met this cutie named Nova on Michat through the people nearby function. She messaged me first actually and I'm glad she did because she turned out to be the best shag of my stay here so far. Just turned 18, so she said, and still had a very cute baby face. Not to mention a rocking body that she definitely knew what to do with. Seriously top level shag and she didn't mind showing off her body for pictures after we finished. While in the middle of it she remarked how her best friend would definitely love my dlck so she's going to set me up with her soon. Hell of a deal for 400 k IDR!MiChat has been a great discoverythanks for sharing it on the forum. I've been getting a flood of messages using the Nearby feature, with quotes ranging from 500 K to 1 M for ST. Some of them seem open to negotiation and are even willing to come over right away.

I noticed that some of the profile pictures look almost too good to be truethey're stunning, which makes me wonder if it's a bait-and-switch situation. Have you had any bad experiences with MiChat girls?

A couple of them asked for a 50 K deposit as a transportation fee to come to my hotel. Have you ever been asked to send a deposit like that?

As another member mentioned, it seems safer to meet the girl near your hotel first before inviting her to your room.

[Dickaprio]

I have made my mind to explore the MiChat option. Your detailed reports as well how to use it is very much useful for fellow punters like me. Appreciate it.


There are tons of willing women on MiChat at all hours but in order to install the app you need an Indo sim card or E-sim card, which is what I'm Telkomsel. Buy online from their website then wait a couple of days for it to be activated. You have to fill out some kind of online government form but it's definitely well worth the trouble.


Sharing a MiChat sample here. Super sweet and super shy 18 yo Aura contacted me on MiChat then shifted to Whatsapp for a hookup in my Mangga Besar room. Came alone (surprisingly) and assured me she works alone from home with no mamasan and was adamant that she was not a Lokasari girl. Damage for this lovely GFE was only 400 k IDR with a 50 k tip that she was thrilled with. Body and face better in person than the pix suggest.Wow. Great find. Nice bod.



First you must have an Indonesian SIM card or E SIM card with a local number. I got mine through Telekomsel and the process takes a day or two. You will get an email when it's ready.

Simply download the Michat app and create an account. Put up a decent picture of yourself. Nothing nude or your account will get banned immediately.

Simply navigate to the people nearby section and sit there. After I minute or so you'll start getting message and friend requests. Or you can just start messaging girls you think you'd be interested in.

Some will put their ages and what they're offering, some will not. It's all negotiable. I've had a few girls ask me for 800 k but quickly agreed to a counter offer of 400 k or 500 k. The ones who don't, I simply block. Most of the girls seem to be doing this whole time as a profession but there are quite a few hidden gems also, students or part-timers. Those can be had for 300 k.

Most of them do not speak any English or very little. But that's easily resolved by using Google translate.


Michat is a gold mine. Once the app shows me as online and nearby, the pings never stop. A few of them have asked for 800 k (rightttt.) but I always counter just to see if they'd go for it. They all halved their original price. But I've only done three from the app so far, and all at 400 k or less, and all 18 or 19 yo and hot.

I'm with you on the deposit requests. Have gotten a few of those which I immediately block.Once again thanks for the well explained reports, GG.

Cheers,

[Safado70]

A couple of them asked for a 50 K deposit as a transportation fee to come to my hotel. Have you ever been asked to send a deposit like that?.This is probably a scam. Just offer to call a grab or gojek for them.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Met this cutie named Nova on Michat through the people nearby function. She messaged me first actually and I'm glad she did because she turned out to be the best shag of my stay here so far. Just turned 18, so she said, and still had a very cute baby face. Not to mention a rocking body that she definitely knew what to do with. Seriously top level shag and she didn't mind showing off her body for pictures after we finished. While in the middle of it she remarked how her best friend would definitely love my dlck so she's going to set me up with her soon. Hell of a deal for 400 k IDR!With pix this time.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Great to hear that you had a good time.

Does WiChat still require new accounts to be verified by an existing member ie you can't just install the app and away you go??

Thanks. G.Wrong app, mate, it's Michat, not Wechat. Can only see it and download it if you're on the ground in Indo or Singapore.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Thanks for you Michat suggestion.

But how can you be sure that the girl is really the one in the pictures?

Is this an app for general use, or made to meet up? Can I ask how is better to introduce ourself. Be just clear about what we expected and price, or do general chat a little bit before?

Thank you.After contacting on Michat, just switch them over to Whatsapp and get them to video chat with you for verification.

Michat is a Singaporean app that I believe was created as a normal social dating app but I've not seen one girl on there in two weeks who wasn't very clearly looking to meet up for a price. Not really much chatting going on other than price negotiation. Always haggle, offer them half what they want and they'll usually take it.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

You can never be sure. That's why I meet the girls near my hotel first for a coffee date. If she is who she is in the picture, then you can proceed with dinner date if she's a civi. If she's a pro or semi-pro, she will either ask you directly or give subtle hints about PPM.The girls on Michat are 100% all pros and all there for the same thing. Selling 'seks'. There's no 'coffee dating' or 'subtle hints' on this app whatsoever.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

MiChat has been a great discoverythanks for sharing it on the forum. I've been getting a flood of messages using the Nearby feature, with quotes ranging from 500 K to 1 M for ST. Some of them seem open to negotiation and are even willing to come over right away.

I noticed that some of the profile pictures look almost too good to be truethey're stunning, which makes me wonder if it's a bait-and-switch situation. Have you had any bad experiences with MiChat girls?

A couple of them asked for a 50 K deposit as a transportation fee to come to my hotel. Have you ever been asked to send a deposit like that?

As another member mentioned, it seems safer to meet the girl near your hotel first before inviting her to your room.Gold mine, right??

I've had no issues with bait and switch because I always make them do a brief video call on Whatsapp first And they've all been the girl show in the Michat app.

Be sure to negotiate! I've had girls asking for 800 immediately agree to 400. Never paid more that that so far.

And yes, always meet them outside your hotel, never in the lobby. I always meet my ladies on the sidewalk in front of the hotel sign.

Enjoy! Post pix!

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I have made my mind to explore the MiChat option. Your detailed reports as well how to use it is very much useful for fellow punters like me. Appreciate it.



Wow. Great find. Nice bod.



Once again thanks for the well explained reports, GG.

Cheers,No worries, mate. Enjoy and report back!

[Gaijin Gigolo]

This is probably a scam. Just offer to call a grab or gojek for them.Not sure it's actually a scam, I think it's that they're actually that broke that a 50 idr grab ride is an issue with them. That's why most of them would rather you come to them. Not happenin' .

[XXL]

There are tons of willing women on MiChat at all hours but in order to install the app you need an Indo sim card or E-sim card, which is what I'm Telkomsel. Buy online from their website then wait a couple of days for it to be activated. You have to fill out some kind of online government form but it's definitely well worth the trouble.I assume you need an indo Sim card with SMS functionality. A Telkomsel SIM data only will not do. You need to buy one with data + voice. I remember the sellers at the airport asking whether I wanted "only data".

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I assume you need an indo Sim card with SMS functionality. A Telkomsel SIM data only will not do. You need to buy one with data + voice. I remember the sellers at the airport asking whether I wanted "only data".Correct, and thanks for the important reminder. The Indo e-sim must be the type with a local phone number.

[Werqweq]

Not sure it's actually a scam, I think it's that they're actually that broke that a 50 idr grab ride is an issue with them. That's why most of them would rather you come to them. Not happenin' .Maybe a way to avoid them getting scammed out of a round-trip with somebody who's not actually going to meet them, or who will send them away without money if he doesn't like what he sees, or just to hopefully get some extra taxi money. If I was a working girl, I'd probably also insist my customer pays taxi.

Offering to book grab for them from your own account like Safado70 said is probably the best choice. If they're outright scammers who wouldn't even show, they'll decline of course, while if they're real you can see on your phone exactly when they will arrive, which is also a good thing.


With pix this time.Cute. Maybe I will have good luck and also meet her next month, though the thought of your sloppy seconds does not entice me much, with all due respect. ;-)

Girls from the street or apps who "just turned 18" trigger some paranoia in me though, and I'd not trust my own judgment to be sure whether someone is 17 or 18, so I'd want to see some ID in cases like that. Fortunately it does not seem, from a quick google search, that this particular type of blackmail is particularly popular in Indonesia, but who knows.

[Joshmonarc]

Hello all,

I'm planning on visiting Jakarta later this year. Being reading mixed reviews of massage / spa establishments. Any particularly solid ones? Also, is BBFS common in these places, would most girls do it for a small tip?

Thanks!

[Steve 9696]

With pix this time.Damn she's a real cutie. And great body. Score! Congrats.

[Manfield04]

Does she allow BBFSCIP or do you use protection.


With pix this time.

[Astral100]

For me Michat did not work very well.

I stay mainly to the south west of Jakarta center (Kebayoran Lama area) and the traffic there is not very good quality-wise.

I have seen hundreds of ugly girls and a few ok ones in the search nearby feature.

Pretty much every single account with a pretty girl is either a scammer, sells vcs (adult videos) or outright tries to get some form of deposit from you.

I usually ask the girls with unclear face or body to send more photos, and invariably they either send different photos from the girl, or disappear, or you realise they are ugly.

After going through hundreds of profiles I managed to arrange 2 meetings so far, both in their hotel (thankfully both places were very close to me).

Of course, I haven't done video calling confirmation and it bit me in the ass. Now I know better.

The 1st turned out to be bait and switch, so I left.

The 2nd turned out to be a scammer that as soon as she confirmed I am sitting in the hotel waiting, sent me details to send her 100 K online first with some bullshit excuse that she can't meet until transaction is complete. (She was actually quite smart to get me to the hotel, as she posted a lot of clear photos and spoke good english (initially) and answered all of my questions in a nice way and also agreed for a price reduction.).

The amount of scams and uglies on Michat is crazy. (Anecdotally, 3 very pretty girls on eurogirlescort site also turned out to be scammers. Even very high price doesn't guarantee quality).

I don't know if it is my location or my inexperience with Michat, but even as is, I scoured hundreds of profiles, had tens of connection requests and I barely have a few contacts saved for when I am desperate enough to go for some average girl. Nothing else to show for it.

Oh, and don't get me started on the Match feature that consists only of scammers (I suspect platform itself is trying to show you tons of matches to get you subscribed). Nothing came out of it at all.

Standard Classic or Kotah Indah bars are hundred times better in that sense. At least in my experience.

I will hang out in the north area soon and hopefully the Michat experience will be better.

Final advice for Michat: ALWAYS video call the girl before meeting. I learned the hard way.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Damn she's a real cutie. And great body. Score! Congrats.Thanks mate! Yeah with the success I'm havingon Michat and with the Lokasari girls I've had no reason to even go to classic or travel.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Maybe a way to avoid them getting scammed out of a round-trip with somebody who's not actually going to meet them, or who will send them away without money if he doesn't like what he sees, or just to hopefully get some extra taxi money. If I was a working girl, I'd probably also insist my customer pays taxi.

Offering to book grab for them from your own account like Safado70 said is probably the best choice. If they're outright scammers who wouldn't even show, they'll decline of course, while if they're real you can see on your phone exactly when they will arrive, which is also a good thing.

Cute. Maybe I will have good luck and also meet her next month, though the thought of your sloppy seconds does not entice me much, with all due respect. ;-)

Girls from the street or apps who "just turned 18" trigger some paranoia in me though, and I'd not trust my own judgment to be sure whether someone is 17 or 18, so I'd want to see some ID in cases like that. Fortunately it does not seem, from a quick google search, that this particular type of blackmail is particularly popular in Indonesia, but who knows.Yeah sending them to grab is not an issue to me. Out of all the girls I've seen from Michat though only one has asked for transport.

As far as asking for a girl's ID chances are about 95% that they won't have one.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I assume you need an indo Sim card with SMS functionality. A Telkomsel SIM data only will not do. You need to buy one with data + voice. I remember the sellers at the airport asking whether I wanted "only data".Correct, you need an Indonesian Sim or esim with phone number as well. I bought mine online as I detailed elsewhere in another post.

[Astral100]

For me Michat did not work very well.

I stay mainly to the south west of Jakarta center (Kebayoran Lama area, close to Block M) and the traffic there is not very good quality-wise.

I have seen hundreds of ugly girls and a few ok ones in the search nearby feature.

Pretty much every single account with a pretty girl is either a scammer, sells vcs (adult videos) or outright tries to get some form of deposit from you.

I usually ask the girls with unclear face or body to send more photos, and invariably they either send different photos from the girl, or disappear, or you realise they are ugly.

After going through hundreds of profiles I managed to arrange 2 meetings so far, both in their hotel (thankfully both places were very close to me).

Of course, I haven't done video calling confirmation and it bit me in the ass. Now I know better.

The 1st turned out to be bait and switch (waited 15 minutes in the lobby), so I left.

The 2nd turned out to be a scammer that as soon as she confirmed I am sitting in the hotel waiting, sent me details to send her 100 K online first with some bullshit excuse that she can't meet until transaction is complete. (She was actually quite smart to get me to the hotel, as she posted a lot of clear photos of the girl and spoke good english (initially) and answered all of my questions in a nice way and also agreed for a price reduction.).

Of course that was on me.

But the amount of scams and uglies on Michat is crazy. (Anecdotally, 3 very pretty girls on eurogirlescort site also turned out to be scammers. Even very high price doesn't guarantee quality).

I don't know if it is my location or my inexperience with Michat, but even as is, I scoured hundreds of profiles, had tens of connection requests and I barely have a few contacts saved for when I am desperate enough to go for some average girl. Nothing else to show for it.

Oh, and don't get me started on the Match feature that consists only of scammers (I suspect platform itself is trying to show you tons of matches to get you subscribed). Nothing came out of it at all.

Standard Classic or Kotah Indah bars are hundred times better in that sense. At least in my experience.

I will hang out in the north area soon and hopefully Michat there will be better.

Final advice for Michat: ALWAYS video call the girl before meeting. I learned the hard way. (Bad) Michat Experience.

[Goferring]

Wrong app, mate, it's Michat, not Wechat. Can only see it and download it if you're on the ground in Indo or Singapore.Aaah. Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

G.

[Goferring]

Not sure it's actually a scam, I think it's that they're actually that broke that a 50 idr grab ride is an issue with them. That's why most of them would rather you come to them. Not happenin' .I think your right. 50 k is about the real cost of a ride if she's not too far. Typically scammers ask for multiples of the true cost. Eg: I'm in the Philippines now and a girl just asked me to send her 'only' P500 upfront for a P18 trike ride to come and see me.

G.

[Giovanni Volo]

Thank you.

I was in Ancol once, but I just saw a very very hot beach, not nice at all. Near the port.

It may be I was in the wrong side.

I saw cable car, but I never token it.

When I back to Jakarta I look better about this and other water park.

I like girls quality and price in Jakarta, but till now I never found nothing else nice to do that I like aside Mulia music, and China town walk and moanstery. If I found something to do I could appreciate Jakarta. Water park could be very nice. I will try, thanks!




For those of you who say there is nothing to do in Jakarta, you must have not been to Dunia Fantasi yet. They also have a water park there called Atlantis, a Seaworld, and a Zoo as well and it is all located near the beach and they have a cable car line going over the beach and water too.

A quick Google search shows that there are various water parks with water slides here and tons of different malls all through the city and the Ancol Complex with all thee great attractions.

So how is there nothing to do here?

-Gabacho.

[Safado70]

True. One Tinder girl from Bandung asked me to send her 2 juta for her high speed train to Jakarta. I wonder if she ever found a fool who fell for that scam.


I think your right. 50 k is about the real cost of a ride if she's not too far. Typically scammers ask for multiples of the true cost. Eg: I'm in the Philippines now and a girl just asked me to send her 'only' P500 upfront for a P18 trike ride to come and see me.

G.

[XXL]

For me Michat did not work very well.

...

But the amount of scams and uglies on Michat is crazy. (Anecdotally, 3 very pretty girls on eurogirlescort site also turned out to be scammers. Even very high price doesn't guarantee quality).

I don't know if it is my location or my inexperience with Michat, but even as is, I scoured hundreds of profiles, had tens of connection requests and I barely have a few contacts saved for when I am desperate enough to go for some average girl. Nothing else to show for it.



Final advice for Michat: ALWAYS video call the girl before meeting. I learned the hard way. (Bad) Michat Experience.Thank you for reporting on the flip side of the coin!

[Gabacho]

Just becareful if asked what the medication is for (eg not catching hiv) and your intentions are for your stay. I'd be inclined to buy my medication in Indonesia on arrival.

The Embassy of Indonesia does not have the authority to confirm the legality of specific medications.

However, we are pleased to provide the following guidelines from the Customs of Indonesia to assist in ensuring compliance with Indonesian regulations and to clarify the process for declaring prescribed medications upon arrival:

Doctor's Letter: It is advisable to carry a letter from your doctor or specialist outlining your medical condition, specifying the prescribed medication and dosage, and confirming that the medication is for personal use only.

Prescription and Receipts: Please bring the original or a copy of your prescription, along with a receipt from the pharmacy.

Original Packaging: Medications should be kept in their original packaging to facilitate identification. It is recommended not to transfer them to alternative containers..It actually doesn't say anywhere on the customs declaration form that you have to declare "prescription medication" I have attached a screen shot of the declaration form instructions. It specifically mentions "narcotics, psychotropics, precursors, drugs (this is ambiguous and could be interpreted to mean illicit street drugs, especially since all the other things in this category are illicit), firearms, weapons, explosives, ammunition, and porn.

So where exactly does it specifically mention "prescription medication" it doesn't. The closest it comes is the word "drugs" which is vague and ambiguous and most people would think of drugs as meaning Marijuana, Cocaine, etc. Medications are medications and the word medication is absent from this form.

Furthermore if "drugs" was being used as an umbrella term to cover all drugs including both illicit drugs and prescription medications, then why do they specifically mention narcotics and psychotropics but not mention other types of medications such as antibiotics and antivirals for example?

If anything the form is not 100% clear about what needs to be declared.

Gabacho.

[Safado70]

The original Indonesian version of this customs declaration form uses the word obat-obatan. Just translate it into a language where the word drugs is not ambiguous and you will see it means illegal drugs.

Narkotika, psikotropika, prekursor, obat-obatan, senjata api, senjata angin, senjata tajam, amunisi, bahan peledak, benda/publikasi pornografi.

[HarryReams]

Yes I too had a horror experience in Jakarta and other parts in Bali. Basically number 1 rule. No deposit. Don't got to mini mart in ATMs doing money transfers or going to ATMs to do transfer deposits as tempting to secure your booking.

If this indeed is a legitimate lady or scammer you loose all control, your basically are controlled by 'them' and obviously on the way to loose your deposit money. Do a search of numbers to see if any clues come up different photos or impossible that they would be in two places at same time eg Jakarta / Bali

In my case I went to their hotel I did not pay a deposit waited outside sent photos of the hotel and cash in my hand and 'they' told me no deal as I wouldn't deposit 500 k to secure my place with this hot girl!!! I suspect it was either a scammer or some ugly girl posing as a nice girl knowing that she wouldn't be getting her pay day hence I wasted 3hrs of messages and walking around.

This happened both in Jakarta and Bali. My tip is video call, see if their real, don't deposit unless your willing to loose both control & your hard earned cash, I rather stay near BlokM or near classic hotel as opposed to trying to figure out who's real and who's fake. If you had success on Michat, well done, keep the app on your phone, for me it was a lesson in time wasted. But money kept.


For me Michat did not work very well.

I stay mainly to the south west of Jakarta center (Kebayoran Lama area, close to Block M) and the traffic there is not very good quality-wise.

I have seen hundreds of ugly girls and a few ok ones in the search nearby feature.

Pretty much every single account with a pretty girl is either a scammer, sells vcs (adult videos) or outright tries to get some form of deposit from you.

I usually ask the girls with unclear face or body to send more photos, and invariably they either send different photos from the girl, or disappear, or you realise they are ugly.

After going through hundreds of profiles I managed to arrange 2 meetings so far, both in their hotel (thankfully both places were very close to me).

Of course, I haven't done video calling confirmation and it bit me in the ass. Now I know better.

The 1st turned out to be bait and switch (waited 15 minutes in the lobby), so I left.

The 2nd turned out to be a scammer that as soon as she confirmed I am sitting in the hotel waiting, sent me details to send her 100 K online first with some bullshit excuse that she can't meet until transaction is complete. (She was actually quite smart to get me to the hotel, as she posted a lot of clear photos of the girl and spoke good english (initially) and answered all of my questions in a nice way and also agreed for a price reduction.).

Of course that was on me.

But the amount of scams and uglies on Michat is crazy. (Anecdotally, 3 very pretty girls on eurogirlescort site also turned out to be scammers. Even very high price doesn't guarantee quality).

I don't know if it is my location or my inexperience with Michat, but even as is, I scoured hundreds of profiles, had tens of connection requests and I barely have a few contacts saved for when I am desperate enough to go for some average girl. Nothing else to show for it.

Oh, and don't get me started on the Match feature that consists only of scammers (I suspect platform itself is trying to show you tons of matches to get you subscribed). Nothing came out of it at all.

Standard Classic or Kotah Indah bars are hundred times better in that sense. At least in my experience.

I will hang out in the north area soon and hopefully Michat there will be better.

Final advice for Michat: ALWAYS video call the girl before meeting. I learned the hard way. (Bad) Michat Experience.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Yes I too had a horror experience in Jakarta and other parts in Bali. Basically number 1 rule. No deposit. Don't got to mini mart in ATMs doing money transfers or going to ATMs to do transfer deposits as tempting to secure your booking.

If this indeed is a legitimate lady or scammer you loose all control, your basically are controlled by 'them' and obviously on the way to loose your deposit money. Do a search of numbers to see if any clues come up different photos or impossible that they would be in two places at same time eg Jakarta / Bali

In my case I went to their hotel I did not pay a deposit waited outside sent photos of the hotel and cash in my hand and 'they' told me no deal as I wouldn't deposit 500 k to secure my place with this hot girl!!! I suspect it was either a scammer or some ugly girl posing as a nice girl knowing that she wouldn't be getting her pay day hence I wasted 3hrs of messages and walking around.

This happened both in Jakarta and Bali. My tip is video call, see if their real, don't deposit unless your willing to loose both control & your hard earned cash, I rather stay near BlokM or near classic hotel as opposed to trying to figure out who's real and who's fake. If you had success on Michat, well done, keep the app on your phone, for me it was a lesson in time wasted. But money kept.That's not a Michat thing, that's a you thing. NEVER send a deposit for a girl anytime, anywhere. And as I said before as well, always insist on a brief video call, even if it's a girl you've seen previously.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I think your right. 50 k is about the real cost of a ride if she's not too far. Typically scammers ask for multiples of the true cost. Eg: I'm in the Philippines now and a girl just asked me to send her 'only' P500 upfront for a P18 trike ride to come and see me.

G.Wo www...she really though she could find somebody dumb enough to pay that?? LOL!

[Gaijin Gigolo]

For me Michat did not work very well.

I stay mainly to the south west of Jakarta center (Kebayoran Lama area, close to Block M) and the traffic there is not very good quality-wise.

I have seen hundreds of ugly girls and a few ok ones in the search nearby feature.

Pretty much every single account with a pretty girl is either a scammer, sells vcs (adult videos) or outright tries to get some form of deposit from you.

I usually ask the girls with unclear face or body to send more photos, and invariably they either send different photos from the girl, or disappear, or you realise they are ugly.

After going through hundreds of profiles I managed to arrange 2 meetings so far, both in their hotel (thankfully both places were very close to me).

Of course, I haven't done video calling confirmation and it bit me in the ass. Now I know better.

The 1st turned out to be bait and switch (waited 15 minutes in the lobby), so I left.

The 2nd turned out to be a scammer that as soon as she confirmed I am sitting in the hotel waiting, sent me details to send her 100 K online first with some bullshit excuse that she can't meet until transaction is complete. (She was actually quite smart to get me to the hotel, as she posted a lot of clear photos of the girl and spoke good english (initially) and answered all of my questions in a nice way and also agreed for a price reduction.).

Of course that was on me.

But the amount of scams and uglies on Michat is crazy. (Anecdotally, 3 very pretty girls on eurogirlescort site also turned out to be scammers. Even very high price doesn't guarantee quality).

I don't know if it is my location or my inexperience with Michat, but even as is, I scoured hundreds of profiles, had tens of connection requests and I barely have a few contacts saved for when I am desperate enough to go for some average girl. Nothing else to show for it.

Oh, and don't get me started on the Match feature that consists only of scammers (I suspect platform itself is trying to show you tons of matches to get you subscribed). Nothing came out of it at all.

Standard Classic or Kotah Indah bars are hundred times better in that sense. At least in my experience.

I will hang out in the north area soon and hopefully Michat there will be better.

Final advice for Michat: ALWAYS video call the girl before meeting. I learned the hard way. (Bad) Michat Experience.Strange. I, and some other senior members here, have been using it with great success for a few weeks now. Never had even one hint of a scam. But again, I always insist on a brief video call and I NEVER sent any kind of advance or transportation fee. The girl can figure out how to come to me on here own, or I'll simply find someone else. As you've seen, all the girls I've met have been smoking hot as well, so.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

True. One Tinder girl from Bandung asked me to send her 2 juta for her high speed train to Jakarta. I wonder if she ever found a fool who fell for that scam.For real? Crazy.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Does she allow BBFSCIP or do you use protection.She does. All the Michat and Lokasari girls I've been with do. None of them even mentioned using a condom.

[Gabacho]

The original Indonesian version of this customs declaration form uses the word obat-obatan. Just translate it into a language where the word drugs is not ambiguous and you will see it means illegal drugs.

Narkotika, psikotropika, prekursor, obat-obatan, senjata api, senjata angin, senjata tajam, amunisi, bahan peledak, benda/publikasi pornografi.Thank you for your input Safado. So this basically supports my theory that the form doesn't say you have to declare personal medications such as antibiotics, antivirals, or Viagra. It is talking about illicit drugs such as narcotics, opiates, and street drugs.

[Manfield04]

Thank you.

I know about Lokasari girls. The first time I had taken a girl from Lokasari, she herself proposed BBFSCIP. As I was not sure of her level of hygiene, I declined.

On another occasion I had taken another girl from Lokasari but she had some sort of wart in the buttocks and I had to send her back.

I have not tried Michat yet but it won't be long as I will be Jakarta next week.


She does. All the Michat and Lokasari girls I've been with do. None of them even mentioned using a condom.

[Astral100]

I have moved temporarily to the north of Jakarta, near Chinatown / Kotah Indah and I have been doing some more research on Michat.

My goal is to find a pretty and nice girl, but so far it has been mission impossible.

Granted, there are a lot more girls available in the north of Jakarta. And a lot more of them are of the acceptable quality (aka average / doable).

However finding a pretty and nice girl is still impossible.

Annoyingly most of pretty (girls have a single amazing picture, often with their face hidden.

Some may have a couple more nice pictures with visible body and face hidden, or the other way around. Or with some baggy clothes or weird filters or expressions on their faces hiding their features.

However every single time I tried to ask for a full disclosure (aka show me your pictures where I can see the face and body clearly) it always ended up in failure.

Sometimes she sends the pictures but turn out to be ugly / average.

Sometimes she ignores you (or talks about something else).

Sometimes she sends one or two pictures that doesn't clarify much.

Sometimes she say look in the album.

Sometimes she start swearing at you, etc.

Pushing for more pictures (with clear face and body) after whatever they replied, instantly pisses them off in varying degrees.

Not a single pretty girl was like "oh yes sure, here is my actual face and body pic as you asked".

If anything, I find the more average / ugly looking the girl the more obedient she is. But if she is at least a little bit attractive, her attitude is usually inflated to the skies.

So realistically I still haven't found a single pretty and nice / obedient girl in any of the areas of Jakarta. Just few average ones at best.

In comparison when I went to Kotah Indah last night, within half an hour I found young girl with a pretty face, amazing slim body with nice boobs and pussy, great attitude and some basic English to boot.

What a difference!

Same experience with Michat when I went around Classic area today or tried Michat in the morning (the roster usually changes in different times of day). Different girls, same issues.

I don't know if my beauty standards are too high, or I come across too demanding, but all I want is to know how the girl actually looks (body and face) and to find a pretty one.

But they protect their real appearance tighter than Fort Knox.

No luck on Michat for me so far.

[Werqweq]

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However every single time I tried to ask for a full disclosure (aka show me your pictures where I can see the face and body clearly) it always ended up in failure.

Sometimes she sends the pictures but turn out to be ugly / average.

Sometimes she ignores you (or talks about something else).

Sometimes she sends one or two pictures that doesn't clarify much.

Sometimes she say look in the album.

Sometimes she start swearing at you, etc.

Pushing for more pictures (with clear face and body) after whatever they replied, instantly pisses them off in varying degrees.

Not a single pretty girl was like "oh yes sure, here is my actual face and body pic as you asked".
Just do a video call then. If unwilling, scam or ugly for sure.

[SuperLove]

I have posted many times, chances of getting BBBJ and DFK in Travel are very miniscule. I don't know who all have been lucky but it ain't me. Respect to those brothers who have been successful but there are plenty here on the forum who shoot from the hip and don't have boots on the ground. Say Yes if you agree with me and Tidak if you don't.


1) I was in Travel on Tue, and explained to numerous girls, at the introduction stage, that I want the 'GF treatment'. For me, that's kissing and BBBJ.

They all asked "BJ with condom?" and I would say "No, without condom", and 80% of them apologised and rejected me! WTF? BBBJ is standard in Classic.

I made sure not to mention BBBJ to the girls until they asked me specifically. (I ALWAYS have sex with condom, and clarified that to them.).

Is covered BJ normal at Travel?

2) I was disappointed that there were only about 30 girls sat in the main area, and then discovered, with the help of a Mamasan, that there is a large room.

[SuperLove]

Don't be wreckless again Sriraj91, one life and you should cherish it. You are in the. 1% category of men enjoying and banging so many working girls. BTW viagra is sometimes used for heart patients as it stimulates blood and improves circulation. But 80 MG, man you are one strong character. Go for 25 MG or byte it next time.


I don't know this is the first time I bought these tablets, just got them out of curiosity.

It was 2 am outside classic, had two threesomes and drank too much so clearly I was out of my mind when I bought them LOL.

Erections were strong and lasted three days. So bad idea indeed.

[SuperLove]

Bro, I am sure we all have gone through this scam shit. This is why they say 'Experience is Priceless' , this comes with wrong judgements in the past. Not 2 mio but I've paid 100 k-200 k. Live and learn. Its OK to make mistakes, don't ever repeat them that's it. Wkwkwkwkwk.


Wo www...she really though she could find somebody dumb enough to pay that?? LOL!

[Gabacho]

Update 14/06/2025.

Last night was a pretty wild night for me and my homie InsolentSpike (who's visiting Jakarta to check it out). First we went to T2 at 9 pm and I fucked a pretty girl from the rear couches near the pool tables. I think she came from mamasan Caca. She looked good but turned out average service-wise. I still barebacked her and got my nut but it felt rushed with her telling me to "finish go, come on baby you finish go. " lmao. Spike just chilled and people watched in T2.

Then we went to Jonisteak and got the Aussie tenderloin import steak for 125 k. Very good steak for the price. Highly recommended.

Next it was back to classic for round two but this time we went to T5 lantai lima.

We were chilling at a table (of which there were many more available in T5 than there were in T2) at around 11 pm just looking at all the fine specimens. I counted 28 girls on the bleachers to the left side of the stage and a few less on the right side. One particular girl caught my eye. She was real small and petite wearing a red and white school girl looking outfit and with a red ribbon in her hair. I had to grab the mamasans hand to point the green laser pointer at the right girl because she keep wanting to point to the wrong ones LOL. She said her name was Melia. Anyways once she came over to our table, the chemistry was amazing. Instantly hugs me and kisses me open mouth tongue kissing. Let's me grope her and feel her up. I could tell the session would be amazing just from how her vibe was.

Unfortunately I only had like 150 k on me by this point LOL but I remembered some of the guys here mentioning that they paid with their credit cards. So I asked if I could pay with my capital one mastercard and they said I could but it was a 10 k fee for using a card. I wanted to fuck Melia so bad that I was like fuck it I'll pay the 10 k fee. They had me sign a paper just like when you order beer and off to the room we went.

Once in the room we get naked and shower off then I have her sit on the edge of the bed and perform DATY (and yes it was after 11 pm). Her pussy tasted clean and had no odor or anything in fact she smelled really good. Then I reached for my handy bottle of silicone lubricant and lube up my johnson as I was still eating her pussy. I then proceed to get up on top of her and put my dick inside her no condom. She doesn't say anything or try to stop me or even say tips or anything. In fact she opens her legs up more and let's me in kind of grabbing me in as I penetrate her.

We then had about an hour of passionate bareback sex. Her on top then me on top then her giving me blow job (no Listerine wipe down either). I finally finished in pile driver position unloading my 2nd load of the night into her tight little Asian pussy.

We then showered off again and I asked for a back massage then the phone rang but she answered it and told them something in Bahasa and then gave me my massage which was actually really decent. Even snapped all my toes. It seemed like we were in there well over an hour and quite long after the phone rang. When I got all done and back out on the floor it was after 12:30.

Turns out my buddy Spike had picked a girl too and already fucked and came back out while I was in my session LOL.

Melia was great. One for the books and definitely one of the best girls I've ever had at classic. Don't write off T5 just because T2 has more girls, because you never know what gems you might be missing out on. I ended up giving her a 100 k tip and she was happy with that.

To top off the night we headed down to the coffeeshop and had a large cold Bintang beer for 60 k. It was about 2 am by the time I got home.

Another epic adventure mongering at Classic.

Gabacho.

[Expat American]

I have posted many times, chances of getting BBBJ and DFK in Travel are very miniscule. I don't know who all have been lucky but it ain't me. Respect to those brothers who have been successful but there are plenty here on the forum who shoot from the hip and don't have boots on the ground. Say Yes if you agree with me and Tidak if you don't.Travel sucks and not in a good way. Been there twice and both times was the worst experiences I have had in Jakarta. First time I did get BBFS but it was with a mechanical dead fish. Second time she wouldn't kiss or BBBJ and I just walked out. I have friends in Jakarta who still like it and tell me good experiences can be found but I am writing it off. So many better options why patronize this establishment at all?

[LucaDali]

Update 14/06/2025.

Last night was a pretty wild night for me and my homie InsolentSpike (who's visiting Jakarta to check it out). First we went to T2 at 9 pm and I fucked a pretty girl from the rear couches near the pool tables. I think she came from mamasan Caca. She looked good but turned out average service-wise. I still barebacked her and got my nut but it felt rushed with her telling me to "finish go, come on baby you finish go. " lmao. Spike just chilled and people watched in T2.

Then we went to Jonisteak and got the Aussie tenderloin import steak for 125 k. Very good steak for the price. Highly recommended.

Next it was back to classic for round two but this time we went to T5 lantai lima.

We were chilling at a table (of which there were many more available in T5 than there were in T2) at around 11 pm just looking at all the fine specimens. I counted 28 girls on the bleachers to the left side of the stage and a few less on the right side. One particular girl caught my eye. She was real small and petite wearing a red and white school girl looking outfit and with a red ribbon in her hair. I had to grab the mamasans hand to point the green laser pointer at the right girl because she keep wanting to point to the wrong ones LOL. She said her name was Melia. Anyways once she came over to our table, the chemistry was amazing. Instantly hugs me and kisses me open mouth tongue kissing. Let's me grope her and feel her up. I could tell the session would be amazing just from how her vibe was.How much did you spend with the girls?

[Werqweq]

I have posted many times, chances of getting BBBJ and DFK in Travel are very miniscule. I don't know who all have been lucky but it ain't me. Respect to those brothers who have been successful but there are plenty here on the forum who shoot from the hip and don't have boots on the ground. Say Yes if you agree with me and Tidak if you don't.All these abysmal reports about Travel, coupled with a few outliers who managed to have good experience ... they almost compel me to give it a go. I will expect the worst, but try to be my most charming, and hope for the best.

What's the earliest it's worth going there?

Will report back next month how it went.

[Offshore Swell]

It's kind of puzzling as a long term Jakarta resident listening to this latest cohort of global roosters and their preoccupation with BBFS. Half of you are here because you can't get what you used to be able to get in Thailand and Phils anymore. Yet you all seem to be hell bent on sending Jakarta down the same path by blabbing constantly about it for all the world to know about. Then in the next post you are bitching and moaning about not being able to get it at places like Travel anymore. ? Wouldn't a little common sense suggest it might be something you manage discreetly so as to preserve the future enjoyment of all of us?

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I have moved temporarily to the north of Jakarta, near Chinatown / Kotah Indah and I have been doing some more research on Michat.

My goal is to find a pretty and nice girl, but so far it has been mission impossible.

Granted, there are a lot more girls available in the north of Jakarta. And a lot more of them are of the acceptable quality (aka average / doable).

However finding a pretty and nice girl is still impossible.

Annoyingly most of pretty (girls have a single amazing picture, often with their face hidden.

Some may have a couple more nice pictures with visible body and face hidden, or the other way around. Or with some baggy clothes or weird filters or expressions on their faces hiding their features.

However every single time I tried to ask for a full disclosure (aka show me your pictures where I can see the face and body clearly) it always ended up in failure.

Sometimes she sends the pictures but turn out to be ugly / average.

Sometimes she ignores you (or talks about something else).

Sometimes she sends one or two pictures that doesn't clarify much.

Sometimes she say look in the album.

Sometimes she start swearing at you, etc.

Pushing for more pictures (with clear face and body) after whatever they replied, instantly pisses them off in varying degrees.

Not a single pretty girl was like "oh yes sure, here is my actual face and body pic as you asked".

If anything, I find the more average / ugly looking the girl the more obedient she is. But if she is at least a little bit attractive, her attitude is usually inflated to the skies.

So realistically I still haven't found a single pretty and nice / obedient girl in any of the areas of Jakarta. Just few average ones at best.

In comparison when I went to Kotah Indah last night, within half an hour I found young girl with a pretty face, amazing slim body with nice boobs and pussy, great attitude and some basic English to boot.

What a difference!

Same experience with Michat when I went around Classic area today or tried Michat in the morning (the roster usually changes in different times of day). Different girls, same issues.

I don't know if my beauty standards are too high, or I come across too demanding, but all I want is to know how the girl actually looks (body and face) and to find a pretty one.

But they protect their real appearance tighter than Fort Knox.

No luck on Michat for me so far.They won't send you nudes, that's for sure. But I've never had even one girl refuse to send a few pix of herself. Also not sure what you're looking for here. These are not model quality girls, more Lokasari quality. Not criticizing, just staying maybe adjust your expectations a bit.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Thank you.

I know about Lokasari girls. The first time I had taken a girl from Lokasari, she herself proposed BBFSCIP. As I was not sure of her level of hygiene, I declined.

On another occasion I had taken another girl from Lokasari but she had some sort of wart in the buttocks and I had to send her back.

I have not tried Michat yet but it won't be long as I will be Jakarta next week.All the girls I've been with have been clean and I believe the esteemed Gabacho has had the same experiences.

Michat. Just remember you need an Indo sim or e-sim WITH phone number.

[Lumens]

I have been checking out this board for the last 2 years and had not yet been to Malio. I am sharing my experiences so others can have a better experience there.

I have been to classic many times but my usual MO is to hit up a certain reasonably priced massage spot near Dharmawangsa plaza with a fantastic lineup for 800 k sessions and often includes BB. I also have a lineup of ladies that I met on Seeking who average 2. 5 mil for overnight BB. I don't do the seeking line up as frequently, maybe 1-2 times a week, because if is obviously pricier.

On my last night in Jakarta I decided to check out Malio and the girls their are uniformly knockouts. Overall the place has the vibe of a very upscale Thai go-go bar with much less customers and shitier dancing. When I first walked into the main bar area there were maybe 3 dozen young woman wearing almost nothing who are just hustling lady drinks. The lady drink ladies are much much better looking than the classic girls but for a basic BJ on second floor they want 1. 6 juta. For straight up boom-boom I think mommy said 3. 4 or something there abouts. Another big difference are the mommys at classic get in your face pretty damn fast. At Malio its the dancers that are unrelenting and pushy. I wanted to sit down and scan the scene, gather my bearings and make a decision but the lady drink ladies sat down next to me as soon as I sat down and robotically hit me with their lame questions, what is your name?, where are you from?, how long have you been in Indonesia? Work or vacation?, Are you here alone? Etc. Then I would shoo that one away then another would sit down and robotically ask the same exact questions. What is your name?, where are you from?, how long have you been in Indonesia? Work or vacation? Rrppp, zzippp. What is extra annoying is it takes so much energy to yell over the loud shitty music and it is so hard to get them to fuck off even though they are very hot. I just do not have the money to entertain them with drinks and have money for one on one time. One did take the time to explain to me I could touch where ever I wanted as long as I bought lady drinks and she did explain to me that there are other types of boom-boom women there to be had.

Then I saw a line up of the non-lady drink straight up boom-boom ladies. They were all smoking hot and there were so many of them. They were are all 8's or 9's. If I remember there were 2 price options for the "local options" 1. 2 juta or 1. 6 juta. I could not tell the difference between the girls and the price difference wasn't enough to be a factor. The "local options" are typically much taller, more slender but curvy and much better put together than your average Indonesian lady. I was told there are russian and uzbek option for between 3. 2 juta and 3. 9 juta for an hour. This is way more than I pay one of the hot middle manager types I've met off of seeking who will go bearback multiple rounds off and on for 16 - 24 hours. Also, why would I see a Russian woman in Indonesia? A beautiful Indonesian woman is much more rare in my home country than an eastern european. Also, for some reason the Russians and Uzbeks were not on the floor. Is there a secret room they hang out in. Can anyone who has seen them share how good looking they are?

So I picked a local who was fucking gorgeous. We did a little chit chat and she told me she was basically a drop out from one of the top 3 universities in Indonesia and she was doing this to help out her family. She definitely came off as really book smart and I could tell she had a lot other career options. I just think this particular job option is less work and more money than working in a boring office. If she lived in country with out pronography laws she would totally be in on the OF model grift. We talked about her home town south of Jakarta and that she had been working at Malio 3 months. I started to sniff a stalling move so I initiated some action and she just kind of semi starfished. Eventually she started to touch me a little down there but in a really unenthusiastic way. So finally I directly asked her to give a blowjob and she said "I don't like to give blow jobs". I was being polite about it but she was pretty adamant. Then I told her she should get a different job since she did not like to do this one. And then I finally lowered the boom and told her I want a different girl. That's when she started with the "I will do what ever you want". But by then I was seriously annoyed and no longer in the mood and I assumed she would be unenthusiastic. She starting pleading etc. But the amount of time I wasted getting her to do what we knew we were there to do annoyed me. She is wasting time I paid for, debating with me. I left the room and she stormed off down stairs. Immediately after that I went to looking for mommy and the manager. The people who manage the rooms had already phone ahead. I spoke to mommy, she got the manager and together they went to the girl and they came back to me and were like "you canceled, no change girl, no money back". Then I explained to them that I did not cancel, that starfish would not give a blow job. That's when Mommy got next level pissed off and made a beeline to starfish. They walked starfish over to me and they explained to me and starfish that I could only take starfish and that she will give me a blow job, hand job or whatever else will make me happy as long as I wear a condom. Starfish did not bat an eye. I am not into hate sex and in my mind I am like no fucking way. But part of me was kind of curious to see how this would play out and I knew Classic would be open for a few more hours just in case. In the elevator back to the room starfish was pissed and she let me know it. But when we got to the room she completely apologized and acted like my long lost girlfriend and totally did GFE. Oh yes she did do bbj. She did a good enough job that I quickly forgot what a jerk she was for about 40 minutes. It was not the best or the worst fuck I;ve had in Indonesia. I suspect that she has been seeing mostly Korean and or Chinese dudes who blow their wad when these woman just look at them naked for 30 seconds. After that starfish and I shook hands and that was it. I let mommy know that I was pleased.

As it was my last night I took a grab from Malio to Classic to see my favorite lady there. We had WA messaged earlier about meeting at classic that night as they have to leave their phones in a locker when they are on duty. Since I first met her a few months back she comes to my hotel once a week. As she has gotten more familiar she tapered off the Listerine on the dick, spitting into the tissue every 90 seconds routine and we have worked up to full on BBFS and overnight for the cost of an hour at classic + grab fair. I think part of the appeal is she does not like her shitty apartment, enjoys bourgeois hotel life and I treat her respectfully as I should. She carries her self like a goofy burn out from the rice field kampung that she is. So it is easy for someone walking through cave dark classic to miss how model beautiful she is. I met her on a really slow night at classic around Idul Fitri. Hardly any girls there that night or I would not have noticed her. On my last night on almost missed her leaving work early. I lucked up and caught her right as she was walking out of classic. Her text to me telling me she was leaving ealry arrived a few minutes after we caught each other in the lobby. Slow ass WApp / indo telecom network. She still had her work makeup on and was looking extra gorgeous in normal lighting. I bought her midnight dinner at the warung directly across the street from classic were she ate like a depression area hobo escaping the Oklahoma dust bowl. After that we went to my hotel room and had really intense overnight goodbye sex.

When I come back to Jakarta I will hit Malio again. The woman there are uniformly gorgeous (8's and 9's) and in theory the price for a "local" there is not bad as long as you get the services you pay for. Part of what happened is I did not follow one of the most important rules that has helped me when dealing with the ladies and that I learned on this forum. Always ask if they provide the services you want before you close the deal. If they don't want to do what you want before the deal is agreed to that is fine. Get someone else who will. Ideally get them to confirm what they are agreeing to in front of mommy if you can as they do not want to piss mommy off. Also, always make sure to say you will only give tip if you are happy with service before you pay. This is not really about the tip. Its about letting them know you are not to be fucked with. I also forgot that there had been reports on this forum about girls being weird about blow jobs at Malio. Work this out before you seal the deal. Except for this one time I always say I make clear that BBJ must be included and it has to be for a long time. Sometimes, depending on how petty I am feeling, I will even specify a time duration. Don't be rude about it just be polite but clear. I do know one thing for sure, if I go back to Malio no matter who I pick now knows they need to demonstrate enthusiasm the entire time they are with me as many of the boom boom girls and lady drink drinkers witnessed the whole exchange between me, mommy, manager and starfish. I know starfish will show consistent enthusiasm if I choose her again too.

Also, if you go to Malio every single person will shamelessly hit you up for a tip. I was not in the mood so I played dumb like I did not understand and just said thank you and moved on each time. I had a few 5000 notes I wanted to unload so I gave those out and starfish laughed at the room cleaner dude I gave one to on the way out. I guess the ladies are sick of that shit too. Classic is great for budget and volume reasons. One of these days I am going to try the blue pill and spend a day there. But lets get real the average woman there is a 5 at best. It takes a long time and or a lot of luck to find a beautiful lady there that can preform. Even longer or luckier to get a good one that will meet you on her off time. I dramatically increased my odds of getting better performance when I started letting them know up front if I am not happy with service not tip. But the looks thing is not something that I can change. How many times have you been there and and settled on looks.

As a side note: I knew classic and travel are owned by the same company. However, my after hours fun buddy from classic told me that classic and Malio is also owned by the same people. She said when she first got to Jakarta to work for the company they showed her all 3 venues and she got to decide where she would work. She said she did not think she was Malio pretty so she chose classic. I will say that I think the ladies at Malio probably know they are much better looking than average and another factor in them trying to get away with shit is perhaps them holding themselves in higher regard.

[Steve 9696]

Absolutely great report Lumen. Packed with detail and a fun read. I love that as an experienced guy you took no shit from starfish. So many newbies woulda just caved. I am not surprised they wouldn't refund. I'm sure they shit happens. But def a little surprised you went for round 2 with her. And she transformed under the pressure to do what she is paid to do! What a great slice of life despite the conflict.

[Vigo]

Will be visiting in month's time. Was thinking of Classic T2 but. Not a massive fan of cigarette smoke or really loud music and a girl puffing on a cigarette is a huge turn off for me. So, I'm thinking of the massage place in Classic and then asking about extras. Obviously, a more expensive way to go but might be the best option I think. Only thing is that I'm also hoping for BBFS which I believe is difficult with some of the massage ladies. Any other suggestions? Only really looking for ST.

[Fudimaar]

I have posted many times, chances of getting BBBJ and DFK in Travel are very miniscule. I don't know who all have been lucky but it ain't me. Respect to those brothers who have been successful but there are plenty here on the forum who shoot from the hip and don't have boots on the ground. Say Yes if you agree with me and Tidak if you don't.Thanks Superlove. Yeah, after many, many attempts, I've given up on Travel. The girls look like I'm from another planet if I say (using Google Translate) that "I like to kiss. Do you kiss in the room? One time, mamasan bought over two girls to me, and I showed them this question, and I kid you not, both looked really confused at each other, then at me, then at each other. I tried to ask the same question in many different forms, and it led nowhere. I can understand if they said 'No' - they just didn't understand what I was saying, even though it was literally written in black and white on my phone. After 5 minutes of this nonsense, I actually got angry, and simply got up and walked away from the girls. Also, I like larger girls, and the told the mamasan this, and she bought over really skinny girls. WTF? That's what I actually said out loud. I walked out and took a Grab to Classic.

No need to waste time at Travel when there are so many other options in Kota Indah. Talking of which, I went to New Sari Ayu in KI last week. I found this bar has lots of chunky chicks. I did 2. The first was gorgeous, and started off with amazing GFE. Passionate kissing, hugging etc, but it went rapidly downhill with a very poor BBBJ, and she insisted on fucking in total darkness. I lost interest after a while and showered and came down to get another girls. The 2nd one had massive firm boobs, and was a good fuck, and also wanted the lights out. I told her a firm NO. The charge at this bar is 400 K for an hour.

I also banged a big-assed chick in Starmoon bar. I was the only guy there at 4 pm, and about 15 girls. After an hour, I was still the only guy. The charge was 280 K. I gave a 100 K tip.

[Hung Man 1808]

Was thinking of Classic T2 but. Not a massive fan of cigarette smoke or really loud music and a girl puffing on a cigarette is a huge turn off for me. If you haven't been to Jakarta before (or anywhere in Indonesia except maybe Bali) then what you don't like is basically stereotypical Indonesian behaviour pretty much everywhere. Kids chain smoke in the country. You haven't heard really loud AND really annoying music until you've been hit with Kota techno or whatever it is they play up there. There will be no escape, especially in the places popular at present to discuss here.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

If you haven't been to Jakarta before (or anywhere in Indonesia except maybe Bali) then what you don't like is basically stereotypical Indonesian behaviour pretty much everywhere. Kids chain smoke in the country. You haven't heard really loud AND really annoying music until you've been hit with Kota techno or whatever it is they play up there. There will be no escape, especially in the places popular at present to discuss here.Very rarely do I see people smoking here unless it's some pathetic old man. On rare occasion will you see a working girl in a club with a cigarette. You're 100% wrong on this.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

All these abysmal reports about Travel, coupled with a few outliers who managed to have good experience ... they almost compel me to give it a go. I will expect the worst, but try to be my most charming, and hope for the best.

What's the earliest it's worth going there?

Will report back next month how it went.I saw a lot of talent in Travel and Classic but I just don't like the idea of being on a timer. With the success I had with Michta and Lokasari girls. Just never felt the need to partake in either of those places. I went around 11 pm to both and the talent was already starting to run dry altho there were still plenty of goers.

[Gabacho]

If you haven't been to Jakarta before (or anywhere in Indonesia except maybe Bali) then what you don't like is basically stereotypical Indonesian behaviour pretty much everywhere. Kids chain smoke in the country. You haven't heard really loud AND really annoying music until you've been hit with Kota techno or whatever it is they play up there. There will be no escape, especially in the places popular at present to discuss here.I love that Kota Techno shit with the repetitive boinky beats. . I even point my index fingers in the air alternating hands to the beat. It's catchy. I just saw one of my old favorites shentiya in T2 the other day and she let me take a puff of her cigarette. She's smoking menthols.

You either love it or you hate it but you must be gay if you don't like Classic.

Gabacho.

[Vigo]

If you haven't been to Jakarta before (or anywhere in Indonesia except maybe Bali) then what you don't like is basically stereotypical Indonesian behaviour pretty much everywhere. Kids chain smoke in the country. You haven't heard really loud AND really annoying music until you've been hit with Kota techno or whatever it is they play up there. There will be no escape, especially in the places popular at present to discuss here.Funnily enough I have been to Jakarta but I think that was probably 2006 when I was a sprightly 30 year old. From my recollection at the time it was all about the spas and Blok M! I cared a lot less about reeking of smoke and loud techno back then!

[Gabacho]

How much did you spend with the girls?The one in T2 was a. 200 k tip which is the high end and the one in T5 didn't ask for any tip. But I did give her 100 k which is what it is supposed to be. I honestly prefer my civvies where it's expected and included rather than an upcharge.

-Gabacho.

[Expat American]

It's kind of puzzling as a long term Jakarta resident listening to this latest cohort of global roosters and their preoccupation with BBFS. Half of you are here because you can't get what you used to be able to get in Thailand and Phils anymore. Yet you all seem to be hell bent on sending Jakarta down the same path by blabbing constantly about it for all the world to know about. Then in the next post you are bitching and moaning about not being able to get it at places like Travel anymore. ? Wouldn't a little common sense suggest it might be something you manage discreetly so as to preserve the future enjoyment of all of us?A post about BBFS imploring others to not make posts about BBFS? Has the esteemed OS lost all sense of irony?

[Safado70]

Thanks Superlove. Yeah, after many, many attempts, I've given up on Travel. The girls look like I'm from another planet if I say (using Google Translate) that "I like to kiss. Do you kiss in the room? One time, mamasan bought over two girls to me, and I showed them this question, and I kid you not, both looked really confused at each other, then at me, then at each other. I tried to ask the same question in many different forms, and it led nowhere. I can understand if they said 'No' - they just didn't understand what I was saying, even though it was literally written in black and white on my phone. After 5 minutes of this nonsense, I actually got angry, and simply got up and walked away from the girls. Also, I like larger girls, and the told the mamasan this, and she bought over really skinny girls. WTF? That's what I actually said out loud. IFrom your side, This was a very typical error for somebody who never learned a foreign language. Next time make sure to use vocabulary where meaning and literal meaning are identical. "Large" is only a politically correct word for fat. The literal meaning of "large" is big. This is why mammy showed you tall girls. The same misunderstanding would have happened to you in Spain or Holland.

Which English book did you use for "to kiss"?

[Hung Man 1808]

Very rarely do I see people smoking here unless it's some pathetic old man. On rare occasion will you see a working girl in a club with a cigarette. You're 100% wrong on this.We seem to see things from a binary opposite viewpoint then, but each to their own. The non smokers I've come across (both guys and girls) have been the small exception rather than the rule.


Funnily enough I have been to Jakarta but I think that was probably 2006 when I was a sprightly 30 year old. From my recollection at the time it was all about the spas and Blok M! I cared a lot less about reeking of smoke and loud techno back then!It didn't seem so till I went way back in your posting history where I saw that. But yeah it was different then. Travel was around in 2006, as was the big kahuna Stadium, but Blok M was a viable must do area to visit. All featuring lots of smoke, and that particular Kota techno style. Speaking of techno, and Stadium:


I love that Kota Techno shit with the repetitive boinky beats. . I even point my index fingers in the air alternating hands to the beat. It's catchy.
If you search for the many different Spotify playlists of "Stadium Jakarta" you'll get an idea of what ruled in the 1998 to 2014 period. The DJ from that club is constantly playing those songs in other venues to this day. Recognising one of these songs, and saying to someone clubbing over the age of about 35 "Stadium Song!" will get a very very positive response. The place was a cultural phenomenon. XXL is probably the only regular poster here now who will remember. Many in Jakarta haven't forgotten. Since the demise of the super clubs for want of a better word, Kota techno / dangut has taken over the northern club lands. The smoke however persists. What kind of smoke, well.


You either love it or you hate it but you must be gay if you don't like Classic.Well gays can be great sources of hot girls in Indonesia, apparently. To confuse the stats round here, I actually have a preference for Travel over Classic. Both aren't hang out places for me though, more like a special forces strike. Get in, acquire target, execute, gather intelligence, call for extraction. Luckily it's pretty clear who is friend or foe in there (or gay or straight).

[XXL]

I also find the music too loud these days even if the beat per se is catching. In the old days I would get high asap and find a spot on the dance floor where the music was not too hard on the eardrums. Such a spot could be found in large discos like Stadium and Millenium.

The way around these nuisances these days is to arrive early. Classic for instance has a decent line-up at 2 pm on most days, and the smoke and loud music only start for good around 4 pm if I'm not wrong.

The lack of a 100% full line-up when coming early is more than offset by two things as far as I'm concerned: 1) less smoke and loud music 2) less men and I being the girl's first client of the day.

I'm not squeamish but going with a girl who's been fucked bareback by 5 geezers already is a turn-off.

[CpHowdy]

hit up a certain reasonably priced massage spot near Dharmawangsa plaza with a fantastic lineup for 800 k sessions and often includes BB. Curious which massage place you are hitting up, if you don't mind sharing.

Thanks!

[LoveItHere69]

It's kind of puzzling as a long term Jakarta resident listening to this latest cohort of global roosters and their preoccupation with BBFS. Half of you are here because you can't get what you used to be able to get in Thailand and Phils anymore. Yet you all seem to be hell bent on sending Jakarta down the same path by blabbing constantly about it for all the world to know about. Then in the next post you are bitching and moaning about not being able to get it at places like Travel anymore. ? Wouldn't a little common sense suggest it might be something you manage discreetly so as to preserve the future enjoyment of all of us?Gabacho. Told him to shut up about Colombia. Then told him the same thing about Indonesia. Sadly, he does not have that ability.

[Werqweq]

A post about BBFS imploring others to not make posts about BBFS? Has the esteemed OS lost all sense of irony?Things that make you go "Hmmm".

It's the nature of things I guess. Before you didn't know. Somebody told you (maybe here, as in my case), and now you know. After you know, you don't want any more people to know.

[Werqweq]

I also find the music too loud these days even if the beat per se is catching. In the old days I would get high asap and find a spot on the dance floor where the music was not too hard on the eardrums. Such a spot could be found in large discos like Stadium and Millenium.

The way around these nuisances these days is to arrive early. Classic for instance has a decent line-up at 2 pm on most days, and the smoke and loud music only start for good around 4 pm if I'm not wrong.

The lack of a 100% full line-up when coming early is more than offset by two things as far as I'm concerned: 1) less smoke and loud music 2) less men and I being the girl's first client of the day.

I'm not squeamish but going with a girl who's been fucked bareback by 5 geezers already is a turn-off.Indeed. I also prefer to be the first geezer of the day.

[Ass Guru]

Long time silent lurker on this forum. Have visited twice now, I may point out the below which I have found useful or rather noticed about Jakarta.

1. way different from other South East nations like Philly and Thai, it's a Paradise, thank god.

2. Fraction of girls better than those of boys which is a sight in itself (for me atleast).

3. They are open minded liberal, easy to talk to. Most girls have no attitude, this makes them a possible pick up target.

4. As a city not much to do, even neighboring burrows not interesting, dirty populated smoky and less developed. Walking is tough.

5. As you go southwards things get better cleaner and more posh.

6. Smaller bars are really noteworthy, music is good.

7. Classic Travel 1001 emporium Kota inda kelpa gading CJs Bats and many more are some of the most interesting options.

8. Spa's are doable.

9. Fewer scams & LB's make it more attractive.

10. Great scope in online talent.

11. Poor connectivity, hope it stays this way.

12. Food is delicious, some street restaurants are to die for.

13. One doesn't need a local to enjoy.

14. Girls are horny and enjoy it more than men, yes I have been with a few, they are called keepers.

15. Less greedy don't mind the odd experiment and no Tabboo.

[Gabacho]

Gabacho. Told him to shut up about Colombia. Then told him the same thing about Indonesia. Sadly, he does not have that ability.I was never bitching and moaning about Travel. So he obviously wasn't referring to me. And I am getting my BBFS daily from new girls each day. The point of the forum is to post about our experiences, that is why it is called "Jakarta Reports" and that is what I do, I contribute to the board about my experiences and information to help other mongers.

Gabacho.

[Werqweq]

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[LoveItHere69]

I was never bitching and moaning about Travel. So he obviously wasn't referring to me. And I am getting my BBFS daily from new girls each day. The point of the forum is to post about our experiences, that is why it is called "Jakarta Reports" and that is what I do, I contribute to the board about my experiences and information to help other mongers..His main point was BBFS. Not Travel. His report title was "BB Services". Can you not follow along?

[Asian Rain]

a tourist getting angry because the locals don't understand his, undoubtedly poorly translated, google translate phrases?There was a time before Google became a crutch for every function of life. Most mongers who couldn't speak local language relied on a simple skill of using gestures and pantomimes to communicate without having to speak in local language. Kiss, blow job and fuck are some of the easiest tasks to get across to a provider via gesture. Best not to depend on tech and always have a manual backup.

That being said, having a communication aid like Translate can be very handy when asking for something out of the ordinary. For instance, when my first time preggy pimpette brought her sweetie neighborhood friend, I couldn't resist getting them together. In sync in ID. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[Fudimaar]

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[Asian Rain]

A post about BBFS imploring others to not make posts about BBFS?Going back many pages, this started when there were several posts claiming that BBFS was virtually assured by offering a 100 to 200 k tip in certain venues. Then another group of posts came stating that BBFS was not granted in these venues. And at least one poster claimed that they were forced to take a CBJ, much less hitting the holy grail raw. The BBFS virtually assured group then advised that you need to suss out the girl for her BBFS vibe beforehand or that you need to use Don Juan skills in the room to make it happen more reliably. Most recently a poster claimed they elected to bag up in Classic because they didn't want to meet the initial high tip demand, but then got BBFS after fortunate negotiating mid action. Okay, that is reality.

Thanks to the many posters who shared, my takeaway from all the back and forth was simple. In no way is BBFS assured in these well known well trodden public meat markets like Classic and Travel, and even a tip may not make it happen. No certainty. To minimize this, I gently suggested discreetly to negotiate that point up front with the girl IF it is terribly important. Some may think that is the wrong approach and I concur with the potential downsides. To each his own how they get what they want. When I come to Indonesia, there is no uncertainty on this point whatsoever, ever. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[GentileBear]

Gabacho, I am living vicariously through you! I love and appreciate your reports. OS as ironic as it may be was the one who's writing pushed me over the edge and got me to check out Jakarta. And even so when he says "you guys who can't get what you want in Phills or Thailand anymore. " I resemble that remark. I also resemble what Gabacho said about being almost 60, overweight, need ED pills. But I do dress clean and sharp.

I also applaud and respect those mongers who want to wrap up their johnson in latex, thanks.

The peanut gallery note taker. Gentile Bear.

[Gabacho]

Gabacho, I am living vicariously through you! I love and appreciate your reports. OS as ironic as it may be was the one who's writing pushed me over the edge and got me to check out Jakarta. And even so when he says "you guys who can't get what you want in Phills or Thailand anymore. " I resemble that remark. I also resemble what Gabacho said about being almost 60, overweight, need ED pills. But I do dress clean and sharp.

I also applaud and respect those mongers who want to wrap up their johnson in latex, thanks.

The peanut gallery note taker. Gentile Bear.For what it's worth in my one trip (albeit 2 months long) that I had to Thailand last year, I found that BBFS was readily available through the Thai Friendly app particularly in Pattaya. Virtually every girl I pulled from TF did it. I met my good friend SubCmdr in person while I was there and over drinks at some place he called the bus bar and he too has similar experience using TF, so I think you can still find what you want in Thailand you just have to look in the right places. Of course Thailand is more expensive than Jakarta but it does have a certain charm about it. I felt like Pattaya was a beach town where everyday felt like vacation whereas Jakarta feels more like a real city with regular people and less tourists.

-Gabacho.

[HarryReams]

Gabacho, I am living vicariously through you! I love and appreciate your reports. OS as ironic as it may be was the one who's writing pushed me over the edge and got me to check out Jakarta. And even so when he says "you guys who can't get what you want in Phills or Thailand anymore. " I resemble that remark. I also resemble what Gabacho said about being almost 60, overweight, need ED pills. But I do dress clean and sharp.

I also applaud and respect those mongers who want to wrap up their johnson in latex, thanks.

The peanut gallery note taker. Gentile Bear.Well said Gabacho. I'm 100% Bareback, I will head back soon to Jakarta from Chile and test drive a few from Classic and see how I go. I might be upfront with those witches with the laser pointers to bring only willing Bareback or Anal participants. I find in Bali at Angel salon its virtually 100% Bareback and with the highend ladies use it as a money making tool to charge more or get a tip.

[Irish Mongrel]

Long time silent lurker on this forum. Have visited twice now, I may point out the below which I have found useful or rather noticed about Jakarta.

1. way different from other South East nations like Philly and Thai, it's a Paradise, thank god.

2. Fraction of girls better than those of boys which is a sight in itself (for me atleast).

3. They are open minded liberal, easy to talk to. Most girls have no attitude, this makes them a possible pick up target.

4. As a city not much to do, even neighboring burrows not interesting, dirty populated smoky and less developed. Walking is tough.

5. As you go southwards things get better cleaner and more posh.

6. Smaller bars are really noteworthy, music is good.

7. Classic Travel 1001 emporium Kota inda kelpa gading CJs Bats and many more are some of the most interesting options.

8. Spa's are doable.

9. Fewer scams & LB's make it more attractive.

10. Great scope in online talent.

11. Poor connectivity, hope it stays this way.

12. Food is delicious, some street restaurants are to die for.

13. One doesn't need a local to enjoy.

14. Girls are horny and enjoy it more than men, yes I have been with a few, they are called keepers.

15. Less greedy don't mind the odd experiment and no Tabboo.Jakarta in a simple post. And it will stay that way due to point number 4. Not much to do, more like f'all else to do unless you play golf. Only people traveling there are business people (which was my initial introduction), punters, and people transiting to somewhere else. And once it gets its hooks into you. Only wish I had found the place in my mid-20's when I first arrived in Asia and not early 40's. But internet didn't exist then, it was all word of mouth, and the buggers that knew about it, kept it to themselves. Everybody talked of Thailand and the Philippines, not a mention about Indonesia. Ah well, at least I got to experience it when it was still a lot of fun.

[Gabacho]

Jakarta in a simple post. And it will stay that way due to point number 4. Not much to do, more like f'all else to do unless you play golf. Only people traveling there are business people (which was my initial introduction), punters, and people transiting to somewhere else. And once it gets its hooks into you. Only wish I had found the place in my mid-20's when I first arrived in Asia and not early 40's. But internet didn't exist then, it was all word of mouth, and the buggers that knew about it, kept it to themselves. Everybody talked of Thailand and the Philippines, not a mention about Indonesia. Ah well, at least I got to experience it when it was still a lot of fun.What about the huge resort complex at Ancol?

I've already been there with my girlfriend to Dunia Fantasia (Indonesia's Six Flags) and just this last Sunday we went to the water park called Atlantis. I had an absolute blast riding all the waterslides, my favorite was the skybox waterslide where the floor drops out from under you and you free fall into the waterslide tube. We were literally there all day until it closed.

Next we are going back there to check out the SeaWorld Aquarium.

So how is there nothing to do?

[NoGermaphobe]

Here are my quick two cents on the current topic de jour. Take the advice, ignore it, ridicule me. Do with it what you will.

I think OS's point is a pattern many of us who have been around a while and seen about how a destination goes from being "awesome" to "being shit" and "not like it used to be. ".

You see many laments on places like Thailand, Philippines, Colombia, etc that it is not like it used to be as it is overrun with people paying outrageous tips or how the ladies attitudes and service levels have changed.

Indonesia is one of the last places on Earth that hasn't been overrun and gone to shit.

But the activity in here has certainly increased significantly over the past year or so and there is one topic that keeps coming up. This attracts a certain attention to a destination that is almost never good for its viability long term as an "awesome" destination.

I would just submit one quick point to those that continue to advertise BB as vociferously as they do. Just because something is a certain way today and is "awesome," doesn't mean it will stay that way forever. I think some of you are essentially posting against your own interests and what you like the most. In their attempt to spite others for the gentle admonishment, they are actually spiting their own long term self interests.

Ah well. It is what it is. I fully expect this post to not hit the way it was intended and to possibly be met with more spite. I can't control that.

But the younger posters here will eventually be older. Their appearance, game and financial situation may change. Life, health and appearance may affect their ability to get what they want. And they may eventually become a poster like me that is gently saying you may want to tone it down a bit. Not for my interest, but your own. You have a lot more mongering runway ahead of you than I do.

Fortunately or not, I am older, have been going to Indonesia for 20 years and got to see it in its early 2000's heyday. Some of you have no idea how much better and larger the scene here actually was from its current state and how it's already been degraded. It's still very good. But it has degraded and has much more room to degrade more.

But I do look forward to the posts in a few years about why all the ladies are asking 500 K to 1 million tip, how the dollar or other western currencies have lost their purchasing power against the rupiah, or how most ladies refuse to go with bule / other foreigners now and are Chinese or Indo only ladies.

[SuperLove]

Too bad if some lame mongers decide not to believe you, their bad as can't Up their game. Nice find nice job gabacho, remember for every hardworking MF there are 5 others waiting to pull him down, its human nature. So move on, keep writing, I am glad you posted some photos, is it possible to bring these home for an outdoor session.


Update 18/06/2025.

Here's another mision cumplida for the bareback seekers and peanut gallery sitting mudderfawkas who say BBFS isn't available. Step your game up vato.

I got to Classic T5 right around 11 pm and found this beautiful girl named Olive sitting in the bleachers to the left side of the stage. Went up to her, kissed her hand, introduced myself as the infamous Gabacho from ISG. Brought her over to my table and dropped a kamu cantik and darimana on her so she knows I'm not some uneducated fool without any determination.

The conversation is generally good she passes the massage question test. I tell her dimana mami and she goes and gets her mamasan. I pay empat ratus ribu rupiah (400 k) and make sure I get my kambilian of 35 k and then Olive and I head off together to the room.

Inside the room she passionately kisses me with lots of tongue in fact at one point it was like she was giving my tongue a blowjob. She was pretty damn good at it too. So we shower off and I get her to work that mouth of hers on my Johnson. Bomb ass BBBJ sloppy with lots of saliva and deep throating and gagging even. Made blanquito Rock fucking hard. She agreed to BBFS quickly too, Her answer to my Google translate template asking for BBFS and explaining my vasectomy was "berapa?"I said 100 k (Seratus Ribu) then she said 300 k (Tigga Ratus) then I said 200 k (Dua Ratus) and she agreed. She hops on top and slides me right into her nice warm little juicy hot pocket and starts twerking on my dick. Fucking blissfulness. Fucking heaven on earth. Fucking meaning of life and reason for living all rolled into one thing felt thru my penis. Fucking pure euphoria! She rode me until she got tired, then I was like "aku atas" and I had her get in doggy flat aka Bocabajo and used the mattress to bounce her rapidamente on my Johnson until I got my nut and unloaded my semen inside her (with her permission). Then she did a pretty damn good massage too until the phone rang and about 10 mins after. We then got up and rinsed off, I got dressed got the selfie, paid her the 200 k tip and headed out to the coffeeshop for a large Bintang for 60 k not 130 k.

Here's a redacted selfie of the girl.

Works Classic T5 (there by 11 pm).

Named Olive.

Go find her, go bareback her!

I'm do not adhere to the argument that we shouldn't report our experiences.

Incase if you're wondering if this post was designed to piss off some ungrateful members on this website (in addition to being informational) you bet your candy ass it was. Every goddamned thing I post here is true, whether or not you chose to believe it is up to you.

Gabacho.

[SuperLove]

Bro, 40's is the new 20's now. Trust me I have seen some of the younger bros, they can't get their act together, daily drinking and powder: man they can't get a hard on or a good fuck.

Look at the brighter side, atleast you didn't find the place in your 60's, wkwkwkwkwk.


Jakarta in a simple post. And it will stay that way due to point number 4. Not much to do, more like f'all else to do unless you play golf. Only people traveling there are business people (which was my initial introduction), punters, and people transiting to somewhere else. And once it gets its hooks into you. Only wish I had found the place in my mid-20's when I first arrived in Asia and not early 40's. But internet didn't exist then, it was all word of mouth, and the buggers that knew about it, kept it to themselves. Everybody talked of Thailand and the Philippines, not a mention about Indonesia. Ah well, at least I got to experience it when it was still a lot of fun.

[XXL]

...

Fortunately or not, I am older, have been going to Indonesia for 20 years and got to see it in its early 2000's heyday. Some of you have no idea how much better and larger the scene here actually was from its current state and how it's already been degraded. It's still very good. But it has degraded and has much more room to degrade more.
...Yes, 20 years ago the scene was larger. Not so much better on a venue-for-venue basis, but larger. 60% of the venues are no more. I don't think this happened because of spoilage by sex tourists. It was caused by repeated crack-downs carried out under the banner of the war on drugs. Stadium was closed after a drug squad undercover cop (!!) died of an overdose inside Stadium. A couple of years before that one Stadium girl told me: "people high up in the government know about what is going on in Stadium and they want to close the place". Was that girl exaggerating in supposing the Indonesian government hadn't other fishes to fry than disco brothel Stadium? Maybe not, especially since a female (Megawati Sukarnoputri) was head of State between 2001 and 2004, when things began slowly to go downhill.

The reason the Jakarta scene is still so good in spite of it having shrunk to 40% its former size is that it was so large in the first place. It went down from a sky-high baseline and there's still enough left of it for it to look great compared to other places in SEA.

[BlackEngine44]

Late last year report on Jarkarta.

Checked out 3 places, emporium, classic and 1001 pool.

Classic: Was really disappointed in this one because of how hyped it is. I spent all night in T2 checking the place out and did not find any ladies pretty enough to room with. I am by far a quality over quantity guy and because how cheap Jakarta is for this hobby, even the quality options would be considered the budget options in other countries. It was also way too smoky and the mamasans are way too aggressive, giving you little freedom of movement and choice until you put your foot down.

Emporium: Half the price of 1001 pool as you get both the pool experience and bedroom experience for a single price. However the choices of ladies left much to be desired. I came in with only a dozen ladies available for selection and none of them were worth taking. I left disappointed.

1001 Pool: The only place worth going to, out of the 3. There was a large selection of ladies, maybe 50 or more with an additional selection of 20 or so VIP foreign beauties. My opinion is that the foreign girls are not worth taking at all, they are all older (mid 30's) and you can easily find better options in said countries of origin. They are mainly koreans, central asians and russians. The local selection is the best I've encountered in Jakarta so far, easily counting 4-5 girls that I actually like on each of the 2 days I visited. And I am picky.

Day 1 girl I spent only on the 1 HR room option and while she was spunky and fun, she did not like DATY nor being touched downstairs so it reduced the experience for me significantly as I enjoy pleasing. Day 2 girl I got was very cute and told me she was 23. I got the pool + room option as I figured the relaxed, teasing time in the pool will help out in the bedroom and I was correct. She was aggressive and kept on giving me handies while still in the pool. In the bedroom I gave her DATY until she finished and then went on to FS.

As a sidenote, girls in Jakarta look really young and I find it problematic. I am not interested in teenagers and would like my options to be solidly 20 years old and above.

Anyone know of any establishment that has better quality girls than 1001 pool? Or is that still the best in class for quality / looks?

[NoGermaphobe]

I mentioned much better and larger in my post. The example cited focused on the larger. Let me give an example of the much better.

In early 2008, I was here for about 3 months and I saw the scene change dramatically overnight. Two examples. While Travel, since as long as I can remember, has always handed out condoms in the mini blue envelope, they were rarely used. BB was default. The KI places didn't even hand out condoms like they do now. It was up to the lady to have them and they rarely did unless the customer brought it and decided to use it. BB was again the service default.

Then sometime in early 2008, there was an HIV scare that went around. I believe it started with a lady working in Travel. Rumor was that it was a foreigner that infected her. Or at least they were blamed. Regardless, overnight the scene dramatically changed. Ladies there would not even look at a bule. I left around mid 2008 frustrated and a good buddy of mine went later in the year. He and I still reminisce about that time and how all the ladies hid and wouldn't even look at him when he entered. He ended his trip early and went to Bangkok.

It took about 9-12 months for the scene to somewhat normalise to what we see posted about now. I remember trips in 2009 being somewhat better. But it was a stark change from what I remember pre 2008. What was default service previously can now still be had, but it requires vibe, game, tips or is not available at all depending on who you talk to or where you go. KI, which didn't even hand out condoms started including them with the room around that time. It is now universally expected that condoms are used in every venue and official policy.

While I do agree the closing of venues like Stadium were probably not due to the sex tourists. Anything bad that does happen here like the HIV scare in Travel and the reaction in the industry are going to be blamed on the bules and the foreigners and we will be the ones most affected by it. The locals will not. I still submit some discretion would be advisable to what we see going on now. But again, I am sure others will disagree. I don't think it would take too much to tip the scales again in the wrong direction. The type of blatant open advertising / boasting we see now on an open forum that is not even private is bound to attract the type of attention to these venues that can only negatively affect them, not help the scene. I still submit all those posters gleefully posting this content are posting against their own long term self interests.

Let me just share one last anecdote. I am on a number of local Indonesian message boards / telegram groups that talk about the various nightlife. BB is almost never talked about on the local boards the way it is here. They either say they use condom or if they don't, they don't mention it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps they all understand discretion is better part of valor. I am sure they are getting it BB like the rest of us. But they keep it on the down low. I have a group of locals I have gotten to know over the past few years at several venues. After about two years of getting to know one, I finally brought up this topic. It took a lot of prying to get it out of him. But he admits he also does it depending on the vibe in the room and the lady. The locals just don't treat it the way we do and that is probably why it stays as prevalent as it does. We could learn a thing or two from the locals.

I fully expect further push back. I am sure someone will call me out from keeping the topic alive if I am so concerned about some discretion. But hey. The board is going to do what the board is going to do. Like I told another poster. All I can do is advise based on my experience. At least I tried.


Yes, 20 years ago the scene was larger. Not so much better on a venue-for-venue basis, but larger. 60% of the venues are no more. I don't think this happened because of spoilage by sex tourists. It was caused by repeated crack-downs carried out under the banner of the war on drugs. Stadium was closed after a drug squad undercover cop (!!) died of an overdose inside Stadium. A couple of years before that one Stadium girl told me: "people high up in the government know about what is going on in Stadium and they want to close the place". Was that girl exaggerating in supposing the Indonesian government hadn't other fishes to fry than disco brothel Stadium? Maybe not, especially since a female (Megawati Sukarnoputri) was head of State between 2001 and 2004, when things began slowly to go downhill.

The reason the Jakarta scene is still so good in spite of it having shrunk to 40% its former size is that it was so large in the first place. It went down from a sky-high baseline and there's still enough left of it for it to look great compared to other places in SEA.

[Asian Rain]

I am on a number of local Indonesian message boards / telegram groups that talk about the various nightlife. BB is almost never talked about on the local boards the way it is here. They either say they use condom or if they don't, they don't mention it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps they all understand discretion is better part of valor. I am sure they are getting it BB like the rest of us. But they keep it on the down low. I have a group of locals I have gotten to know over the past few years at several venues. After about two years of getting to know one, I finally brought up this topic. It took a lot of prying to get it out of him. But he admits he also does it depending on the vibe in the room and the lady. The locals just don't treat it the way we do and that is probably why it stays as prevalent as it does. We could learn a thing or two from the locals."I wonder why that is?" My take. Having lurked on local Indonesian boards like Kaskus when researching venues like Royal (aka Train Tracks), my observation for the reason locals don't speak up (or blab, humblebrag, etc) is targeted social pressure from the moderators. Whilst everybody has a good sense that every last provider is going to provide BBFS in Royal, there were always lots of tut-tutting in big bold letters from moderators and veterans to "play it safe". So there was rarely a field report that openly gave away the full situation. We all know the gap between what the locals are saying and what they are actually doing, and indeed it takes a lot to get them to admit all of the non-conforming activities that they are really doing. Lastly, I observed that many of the brothers would actually meet each other IRL and monger together, especially newbies who wanted a little hand holding, so more social pressure to appear like one is conforming to the expected norms. What happened in the privacy of the fuck boxes was possibly a different matter entirely. This is just my observation and opinion.

I agree that there is much to be learned from Asians and how they comport themselves in illicit matters. This was most evident to me when I partied with a group of Japanese colleagues. We had a night of complete debauchery and then when meetings started the following morning it was like nothing happened. Asians culturally know how to keep things on separate ledgers. It is impressive at times. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[Safado70]

Hi Gabacho, I really appreciate your reports and I'm looking forward to see you next month in Jakarta. But I think it's a bad idea to post pictures of girls from classic mentioning specific services you got from them. It is very likely that some idiot will take these screenshots to a mammy, ask for this girl and later complain if he didn't get the same service. This could make life very difficult for all us bules who frequent classic. You redacted the photos but the girls are still easy to recognise, especially for someone who frequents classic. In one case you even forgot to blur the tattoo.

[Asian Rain]

Yes, 20 years ago the scene was larger. Not so much better on a venue-for-venue basis, but larger. 60% of the venues are no more. I don't think this happened because of spoilage by sex tourists. It was caused by repeated crack-downs carried out under the banner of the war on drugs. Stadium was closed after a drug squad undercover cop (!!) died of an overdose inside Stadium. A couple of years before that one Stadium girl told me: "people high up in the government know about what is going on in Stadium and they want to close the place". Was that girl exaggerating in supposing the Indonesian government hadn't other fishes to fry than disco brothel Stadium? Maybe not, especially since a female (Megawati Sukarnoputri) was head of State between 2001 and 2004, when things began slowly to go downhill.

The reason the Jakarta scene is still so good in spite of it having shrunk to 40% its former size is that it was so large in the first place. It went down from a sky-high baseline and there's still enough left of it for it to look great compared to other places in SEA.Spot on. Sex tourists were, and still are today, a mere fraction of the scene in Indonesia. Indonesia has always been off the radar compared to Thailand and other majors. What was significant in Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines and some others is that the foreigner-centric venues were decimated by government clean-up campaigns and NGO-fueled shut downs. Now it is all a shadow, so it is what it is.

What makes Indonesia mongering unique in Asia is the acceptance of foreigners in venues that were built for locals and generally dominated by locals. Blok M venues collapsed with Covid and the die-off of Oil & Gas geezers. Venues that are long gone (Stadium, Today Country (aka Tiara Ceria), Royal as well as the remainder (Travel, Classic, Kota Indah bars, etc) have always entertained the long noses with amazing open arms and equality. Mami will point that green laser for the local as much as they do for the foreigner, as long as they are paying and not playing. And never ever have I experienced any issue with locals in these venues. Now imagine mapping the Thailand situation where you have tour buses of zero-dollar Chinese together with more busloads of thirsty AF Indians filling the parking lot of Travel. My number one motto is to Enjoy It While It Lasts. Suggest the same to others. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.