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Which Terminal T1, T2, or T3 had the best girls ( 24 yrs, slim, and pretty)? How would you rank the girl quality what you saw compared to say Globe FKK, Sharks FKK, or WS AGOGO, or Patpong KC2 Agogo?Compared with the better gogos in Nana / WS Pattaya, overall quality at Classic is lower but so is the price.
Visited T2 and T5 last night (there is no T3 as far as I know). Probably 2-3 X more girls at T2 but maybe that many more customers / smokers too. Maybe 10-15% of girls could be considered slim, but be on the lookout for their style of dress because they may look slimmer than they are. Many / most have had at least one baby and you can't rely on the mama to be honest about "no baby".
Seems like mamas know farangs like young and slim because those are mostly the ones showed to me, without request. First girl at T2 looked exotic, was slim and firm and was wearing a tiny g-string under her short skirt. Small, firm ass that sold the deal. Into the room and the baby damage was unfortunately evident but she was service oriented. BBBJCIM.
Next to T5 and didn't see many girls to my liking, but a mama immediately lasered two girls. I told her no baby and she said yes, no baby. One had a cute face and was quite affectionate. Figured what the hell. Went to the room and baby damage was even more apparent than the other, to the point that she kept her bra on to contain her very saggy boobs (couldn't tell from her dress). She felt firm before going to the room but was actually quite flabby. Anyway, happy for her to keep her top on and a second BBBJCIM.
Overall experience maybe 5/10, maybe my fault for not being more selective but both girls had the look I like.
I read over in the Bangkok forum and here too about all of the beautiful sexy young ladies at Classic. They are there but they are also the exception. Lots and lots of chunky girls who mostly look disinterested / tired / don't want to be there. They are not honest about whether they have had a baby or how long they have worked at Classic, some have for years. Certainly a place worth visiting but I think is over-hyped by many, apart from being able to go bareback if that's your thing. I love the idea but don't want to be inside those cum buckets.
Steve 9696
11-09-25, 07:51
Caveat: Other times may be different. I went around 6 on a Saturday.
Classic is an anomaly at $22/ girl. The other major clubs like Malio, Emporium, and 1001 are more like $120/ girl. I decided to try Emporium because it's a block from my hotel. Let's see what justifies the premium.
First I would say comparing classic and emporium is like comparing apples and oranges. Yes, you fuck girls at each one. But that is where the similarity ends.
Emporium is called a "hotel" but clearly it is not. It's not even open till 2 pm and fully shuttered until then. It's a large facility but two floors are Karaoke and one called a Tease Club (strippers I guess) The spa is on the first floor.
I go to the spa floor and they check you in, putting your phone in a locked bag to prevent pictures. I went about 6 pm and it's nearly empty. The papasan David called the girls out for a lineup. There are only like twelve girls! But I'the say all are as pretty or prettier than any top classic girl. All 7. 5 and up by my standards.
There were 1. 5 M girls mostly and two 2. 5 M (I think?) girls. The more expensive ones were nothing special. Whiter. And one had big naturals.
They had one new girl that was 800. I almost took her. But ended up pulling Mika who is 1. 5 M. In the end I think she actually was 800 K which was good because there are so many other charges with a drink and facilities and the room, that even at 800 it came out to 2 M in the end. $120 usd.
Overall it's a pleasant and luxe experience. First you change into a swimsuit and spend time with your girl in the hot swimming pool. She straddles you and its intimate as she bobs up and down a bit getting me a chub. But at least with my girl no making out. Just kinda pleasant and a little sexy.
In the room it's like any brothel or FKK. Smallish room with a shower. She did some oil sliding on my back as warmup but it was not really oily and kinda lame. Then flip and BBBJ. Pretty OK but nothing to write home about. Def needs to be trained up a bit.
Had some difficulty getting sex going because some condom snafus had me soften and she is tight as fuck. When I got hard enough to get in I had to go bit by bit with some grimacing and yelps. But we got it in and we have some good sex in mish and doggie. Cowgirl bit.
Wet to BJ on her knees by the mirror and that was good. But ended up having to wank one out with her masturbating. Nice girl and very pretty with banging firm see cups. But not greatly skilled and bit much with the wipes and other fussiness that spoils the mood.
I would summarize Emporium as a high end pampered feeling but not really worth it relative to the pricing anomaly that is Classic. Plus I prefer the club vibe at Classic. They are really two completely different experiences. Maybe with a higher skilled girl Emporium would have been worth it. But if you get a mediocre girl in the skills department no way it's worth 4-5 X the Classic price.
Hello again,
This is my 6th night in this chaotic shithole called Jakarta. Around 7 pm, I decided to visit the Travel Hotel. Just like in the Classic Hotel, they put a wristband on me and let me in. Two mamasans came over. I told them I didn't want any girls for now, so they sat with me for a bit and then left not too pushy. I had two beers and enjoyed the live music.
Later, the mamasan came back. I told her I wanted two girls who were good at BJ, with big boobs and thick ass. She lined up around ten girls in front of me. They all looked different I think that's all she had because some were way too skinny, not even close to what I asked for.
Anyway, one girl costs 375,000 IDR for 60 minutes, and two girls for 90 minutes are 500,000 IDR. The time limit is better than in the Classic Hotel. I picked two and went to the room. Unlike the Classic Hotel, the air conditioner here actually works and can be adjusted. The room was bigger too, and there was an ashtray nice touch.
They didn't let me fingering their pussies. And at first refused BJ without a condom. After a bit of insistence, they agreed, but honestly, they weren't good at it. They were dull, unmotivated, and had zero passion. From my experience, Thai girls are way hornier. Anyway, I can't say these girls were terrible but they weren't good either.
After it was over, I tipped each of them 50,000 IDR. They pouted a bit, but I apologized and said I didn't have change. I went downstairs, listened to some more live music, and left. For two Heinekens, three bottles of water, and some snacks, I paid around 280,000 IDR.
If I compare this place with the Classic Hotel staff and mamasans here are way more polite and less pushy. But the girl at the Classic Hotel gave a better performance. So far, the only girl in Jakarta who truly gave me pleasure was at DHeaven. You can check that article I wrote about 4-5 days ago.
After leaving the Travel Hotel, I took a Gojek taxi to Lokassi Square to find freelancers. I was looking for CIM without a condom. I'd read in a blog that freelancers hang around that area. Lokassi Square is basically a small mall made up of little shops. I wandered around, saw food stalls, noise, trash on the streets total dump.
I walked for maybe half an hour. A woman around 50 approached me asking if I wanted a massage. I said no. A bit later, a short woman around 30 came up; she looked better. I asked her through Google Translate: "2 hours. 2 sex. No condom. 300,000 ok?" She wanted 500,000 I refused. Then a chubbier one around 25 approached. Same offer, same answer 500,000. I said no again and took a taxi back home.
So here's my question where exactly can I find street girls around here? I need a more specific location. Walking in this city is torture traffic is insane, and I don't want to waste time wandering around. I could use some solid advice.
Went to 1001. After being seated had papa approach and wanted to know if I wanted an indo or the non indo. No pricing info. Told him wanted to finish beer before deciding. That was it. Never saw him again. Apparently only he spoke English. No other mama spoke English. In fact the iPad were all in Chinese, the main clientele. Sat and roamed for an hour without being able to get papa back. Started thinking if the girls were worth the 1. 7 m. After needing to chase papa decided to leave as I thought girls are about the same as Classic and couldn't justify 5 x the price. Decided to go to classic t1. Got there at 12:30 . Scanned for about 40 min and spotted a solid 7. Asked mama to bring her over. This is where I was floored as she declined. Wtf did not know this could happen. It was 1:30 now and a lot of yawning going on. So cut my losses and left. Hopefully things will be better tonight as the night before I got what I wanted and more.It is better to be refused than bad service or finish finish type experiences l had.
Before you pay take few minutes to talk or touch shoulder eye contact.
This was my mistake when l was new.
Girls also lie ok to kiss before pay, but no or just little and then pain pain loud yelling.
Bad experience at classic cut your loss move on.
What was minimum fee at 1001 200-250 k? That you must pay if choose no girl.
Steve 9696
11-10-25, 00:37
So after a somewhat mediocre time with a very pretty girl at Emporium, I headed over to Classic. It's actually only a 12 minute walk from Emporium so that is what I did. I wouldn't recommend it.
Although I felt perfectly safe as far as crime goes (even though it's quite the lowbrow walk), fuck you could get run over super easily. They have all these little food stalls setup and you have to walk in the street a lot. Wow. It was a little nerve racking at night. Took a Grab home!
I started at T1, having just finished at Emporium. I wanted to just sit and chill and this is the best club for that. The Jack and Cole was shockingly expensive at $12 compared to the $3. 50 beers I'the been having. But a nice place to just relax. The male singer was HORRIBLE, so much so I almost left! But the female was very good and saved the day.
As I said before it's harder to see the ladies here. They are far away and the lighting not so good. I did find though if you take a seat near the pool tables you can cheat. Every few minutes someone calls a lineup and the mamasan (the fat one seems to have most of the girls) pulls a whole squad. They parade by on the way there and back and you get a much better look. One impression I got is that T1 has bustier girls if that is your thing.
After a bit though I bop to T2 which is my favorite for its pumping vibe and easy to cruise the girls. It is HOPPING. I've learned the drill so as soon as I enter I take a left to go to the bathroom and immediately avoid the pushy mamasans. I see a few girls I like ok but I am in no hurry. I have a beer, pay my $3. 58 and head up to T5.
T5 has a band as usual. Most girls are on the stadium seats near the door but I cruise to the back to check out the talent there. Nothing lights me up so I grab a front row seat at the first section. Several pretty girls. I also see the biatch from the prior night that I called off after five minutes. Oh well not going to worry that $22. 😜.
I'm quite attracted to a girl in the front row who looks like a young Asian Cindy Crawford. Brief eye contact but nothing like a lock in. But when a mama comes by and laserpoints out two different sets of three that are her girls. The set in the first row includes Asian Cindy (real name Atcha) so I say yeah let me see her.
She comes over. And while she's a little shy on eye contact the body language is very good. Pushed up tight together, arms around my neck swaying to the music. Up close she had a banging set of Cee cups (augmented it turns out) and super pretty. Great vibe so it's on. $22. Still can't fathom this.
In room we have a lovely time. She's a beautiful and submissive girl. Only flaw is her toothy BJ. To the point where it hurts and I just can't do it! In the end I don't end up cumming but had a very nice time and she put in the work during our hour.
Of course I should save my shot for my Seeking date tonight. But do I? Nope! I end up taking a duo from T2 late night and firing off a big shot. 😝.
A few noteworthy points about the duo. First, the main girl Raisa was brought to me by a mamasan. So kudos to her! I don't know how I missed this girl. I mean beautiful face and possibly the most banging petite body of the trip. All of 149 CM with perfect firmness be / see cups on that tiny frame. So finally I got to give the mamasans a bit of credit.
Second, I remember that while a single girl is $22, a duo is only $8 more at $30! Wtf. How in the name of god and man is that possible!
So she brings her cute friend. She's fucking drunk, which they both apologize for but I think maybe that could be fun. You also get 90 minutes and two shots with two girls. Not that I needed either of those.
And a final important point. A duo here is not like Japan or Brazil where you get a double blowjob and such. It's more a serial thing with the second girl playing a very minor role till it's her turn. But for $8 I am not complaining!
In the room we have a very nice time thanks to Raisa. Her friend is basically useless. But Raisas BJ is the best of the trip. And squeezing her friends very nice tits while getting blown doesn't suck at all.
Fucking Raisa is also quite great. Like the other girls here, they aren't used to a bigger guy and there's a lot of moaning and gasping and easing in. I'the reloaded a full 10 MG Cialis so no issue there.
But once it's in it's on. I enjoy her 💯 perfect tits in cowgirl but get to really pounding in mish. She starts out like most girls here very reticent to kiss. She latches onto my lip and sucks which is sexy but prevents DFK. But as I get her going it's full on DFK and feels amazing. I almost blow the stack.
Time to swap to the friend. Her BJ is a bit toothy also, but Raisa speaks enough English to translate for me and it gets better. Then fucking the friend. This actually is very good. Again because if Raisa. I am fucking the friend in mish and it feels really nice despite the somewhat lame condom. But it gets really good when Raisa stands on the bed (she's short!) and bends over a bit to make out with me wheile fucking the friend. Fuuuuuck this is REALLY good.
I almost blow in the bag, but it fades. Raisa back on BJ and then a final finish with her on balls and me with lube by hand. A mega shot that almost hits the friend who is dutifully sucking my nipples. Niceeee!
I tip Raisa $12 discretely and don't plan to tip the friend. But then Raisa asks for a little for the friend and I give her $6. She's thrilled. 😁We head back into the club for quick pee and I head home at 2:15, four girls in the rearview last night. One at Emporium. One at T5. And two at T2. My entire night at Classic was under $100 usd including drinks, three girls, and tips. Wtf? Only in Jakarta.
Steve 9696
11-10-25, 00:54
I have to disagree with the prior poster about the weight or size of the girls. Maybe by Asian standards some of the girls are a bit heavier. But by western standards they are virtually all slim and petite. There are a few with some meat on their bones but most a very tiny. But judge for yourself! With a $2. 00 minimum consumption and $3. 50 beers what have you got to lose really?
One other observation about T2 vs T5 besides the vibe. I always take a pic of my girl. Clothes on and tasteful but I like to keep track. The girl at T5 said absolutely not and pointed to several signs in the room that say no photos. At T2 there are no such signs and the girls I took had no issue allowing a pic when I was done.
As Jakarta seems the bareback capital of the world, this is both a good thing and a bad thing. Good because widely available. Bad because lots higher rate or transmission possible. Anyone know a reliable place in mid / north Jakarta to buy Doxy Pep? I'the rather not go thru the hassle of getting it at home if possible. Alternatively anyone recommend a good discrete online provider?Plenty of content before in this past year.
Google maps search apotek.
Most of them have.
If you go near classic before 5 pm.
The metro mall has few apoteks.
You search pharmacy in Google maps.
Works any city that google maps working.
Except maybe south Korea.
Expat American
11-10-25, 08:41
A few noteworthy points about the duo. First, the main girl Raisa was brought to me by a mamasan. So kudos to her! I don't know how I missed this girl. I mean beautiful face and possibly the most banging petite body of the trip. All of 149 CM with perfect firmness be / see cups on that tiny frame. So finally I got to give the mamasans a bit of credit.
Second, I remember that while a single girl is $22, a duo is only $8 more at $30! Wtf. How in the name of god and man is that possible!
So she brings her cute friend. She's fucking drunk, which they both apologize for but I think maybe that could be fun. You also get 90 minutes and two shots with two girls. Not that I needed either of those.
And a final important point. A duo here is not like Japan or Brazil where you get a double blowjob and such. It's more a serial thing with the second girl playing a very minor role till it's her turn. But for $8 I am not complaining!That's not strictly true about threesomes. On my Virgin trip to Jakarta the very first thing I did was pull 2 girls from Classic. It was full on threesome (no lesbian though and I don't care for that anyway) but double BJ, BJ plus ball licking, 3 way kissing, BBFS swapping pussies all inclusive. I think my TR on that is still on here. Also had similar experiences multiple times in Classic Spa. So it really just depends on the girls but I am seeing a decline in service levels since I first went there about 2 years ago.
Steve 9696
11-11-25, 04:41
I've really enjoyed Classic a lot more than I expected. I thought I would hit it first due to its value reputation but then move upscale to Emporium, Malio, or 1001. But Classic is just so fun. Bouncing between the three clubs inside Classic, with 50-150 hotties per club. And a really fun vibe, plus basically free sex. What is not to like?
Despite this, I have a friend who is saying I really must do Malio. Apparently it's day time scene has some good talent so I decide to give it a go.
I arrive at Mailo around 3:30 PM after a 20 minute walk from my hotel. It is a little confusing because there is the Spa and the Lounge and the Club. My understanding from them is the spa is just that — a spa, no ladies. So I head up to the Lounge. On the second floor.
Similar to Emporium it is empty — just a venue to make a girl selection. I waive off the mamasan thinking I will at least have a warmup beer, but holy fuck, they are $20 each — about the same as the price of fucking a girl at Classic! Mixed drinks look like they are $40 and up. I do the math in my head a few times but I am not mistaken. They def don't want you hanging out and indeed I decline a drink.
The mamasan brings the lineup and has a well worn pricing card. The three on the right are platinum at 1. 8 M and the remaining 9 are 1. 2 M (I think). They are all pretty. Taller and more full builds than most of the Classic pixies. Normally I'the choose the cheaper tier but honestly they are no prettier than Classic girls. Same for two of the Platinum girls. But one platinum girl, Alice, is a knockout.
Alice has a very pretty face and a dynamite body. More hips and ass than most of the girls I've seen in Jakarta, but in a good way. Fully toned young woman's body.
She's quite nice and her English marginal. There is no pretense here. Now that I've chosen, it's time to go fuck. I'll skip most of the details except to say that Alice is very hot and a solid BJ and fucking.
Her pussy must be a bit magic because we use a condom but nonetheless I blow my load about 20 minutes in! Wow that was surprising. But I also knew if I tried to back away from the edge I'the never get it back. So I just let er rip and rocked on. There was a little tip pressure from both mama and Alice and I gave them both a small tip. Total damage 2. 2 M. No surprise charges.
Even though I've just blown a load I am not one to waste opportunity when there is hot pussy nearby, so I rock on over to Classic. Another 20 minutes walk. T1 later looks closed this early (4:45) but I am going to T2 anyhow.
T2 is definitely just getting rolling with maybe 40 girls and 8 guys. But by 6 Pm it was fully stocked with girls and all the benches full. Easily 120 girls even tho not a huge number of guys yet. I had implied to Raisa (favorite Classic girl so far) that I'the see her about this time but I am in no mood to fuck again so soon, so I settle in for a beer.
I am descended upon by a mama with a girl in tow. Not 100% my type but very pretty. Still, I tell the mama I don't want any girls and she deposits the girl regardless! But it turns out that she is very nice. She notices I am sweating profusely and runs and gets me a fan and some Kleenex to wipe up.
The fan is amazing because I woulda died without it but within about ten minutes I am cooled down. My girl speaks darn good English but it's so loud it's hard to talk anyhow. We decide to play some pool.
As I said before pool is like $6/ HR so I get a table. She is not bad but unfortunately my skills have returned and I destroy her. She's a good sport about it and it's not really my fault — when I am good I am very good. I try to rush but that just makes me better. It's a curse!
After maybe an hour the mamasan wants me to take my girl to the room for the usual $22. I say no I will just give her a small tip for her time. She says no that I owe the full $22 for taking her time — doesn't matter if you fuck or not. Well that's a crock of shit and I am not having it. I was going to give my girl $6, but I cave and give her $12 under the evil eye of the mama who stalks off. They can be such a pain at T2.
Right after this, I go past the first bench returning to the club and lock eyes briefly with a super cute girl and think — damn I think that's my bareback girl from Friday. I am not 100% sure so I check the pic on my phone and yep the tattoos line up. That's her.
So after I settle in nearby, a mama comes and starts pointing girls and I say I will take that one, gesturing at my prior girl. Well she huffs and makes an ugly face as she gets up and I think wtf? And she is not like cuddly but standoffish. A bit surprising after stunning CIP Friday!!
So I key in to xlate that it seems she doesn't like me anymore what's up? And she keys back "I didn't like it that you went with another woman". Hahaha. Ok. Fair. I tell her I didn't fuck her we just played pool. And she's all smiles again. Ah, young love! ❤65039;.
We get a couple beers and snuggle a bit. She's got a bit of baby fat on her 20 year old bod but I kinda like it. And something about her face just slays me. So it's on again!
Back in the room it's super comfy and of course going to be bareback from the get go this time. I was pretty drunk out first time so I didn't know but her BJ is really VERY good. I mean I just shot a load like 2 hours ago and she's got me going.
The fucking is stupendous and Mey gets a shoutout for knowing how to fuck Cowgirl like very few girls do. She really gets some in and out motion and does a lot of Asian cowgirl which feels great. Plus the look of bliss on her face while she rides is priceless. Mish is super good. Doggie ok.
We get back on BJ for the finish's the she is a hard worker. Lots of BLS and shaft licking and really good primary game. She has this way of turning her head while bobbing that adds another dimension. Have to go to my hand and her on balls but it doesn't take long to get that second shot of the day. Good job Mey!
I tip her for the bareback of course and she is happy. Another wind down beer — the band is exceptional tonight and back to the hotel to sleep the sleep of the dead!
I've really enjoyed Classic a lot more than I expected. I thought I would hit it first due to its value reputation but then move upscale to Emporium, Malio, or 1001. But Classic is just so fun. Bouncing between the three clubs inside Classic, with 50-150 hotties per club. And a really fun vibe, plus basically free sex. What is not to like?Good report, seems like you are having some fun. I always wondered about the pool tables, good to know that you can play on one in between the shots, did this a lot in Thailand, and girls over there are good at it too.
I don't remember Malio lounge charging that high a price for single beer, I had a 2 pints of guiness there before choosing a girl and they charged me 200 k for it so 100 k / bottle, though they told me 99 k.
Expat American
11-11-25, 13:28
After maybe an hour the mamasan wants me to take my girl to the room for the usual $22. I say no I will just give her a small tip for her time. She says no that I owe the full $22 for taking her time doesn't matter if you fuck or not. Well that's a crock of shit and I am not having it. I was going to give my girl $6, but I cave and give her $12 under the evil eye of the mama who stalks off. They can be such a pain at T2.
Sorry dude but you are definitely in the wrong here. In Classic you can get a reasonable evaluation period like 10 min or so to decide if you take the girl or not. If you don't send her back you owe her for the hour. She could have been making money instead of playing pool with you. It wasn't a crock of shit, locals get the same deal. And anyway you think the 400 K sex is practically "free" so why are you cheaping out now on the game of pool? Think what would have happened in an American strip club if you refused to pay the price for the girls company. Asians are nice and generally non confrontational but don't push it too far or you will get your ass handed to you. Just a word to the wise.
NoGermaphobe
11-11-25, 19:53
Sorry dude but you are definitely in the wrong here. In Classic you can get a reasonable evaluation period like 10 min or so to decide if you take the girl or not. If you don't send her back you owe her for the hour. She could have been making money instead of playing pool with you. It wasn't a crock of shit, locals get the same deal. And anyway you think the 400 K sex is practically "free" so why are you cheaping out now on the game of pool? Think what would have happened in an American strip club if you refused to pay the price for the girls company. Asians are nice and generally non confrontational but don't push it too far or you will get your ass handed to you. Just a word to the wise.Agreed. This will just be bad for foreigners overall. The next evolution of this will be a requirement that any more than 5 minutes of time talking to the lady, you will be required to book a table for 365 K and pay beforehand.
There are some posters here that have complained about being nagged by the mamasan to go the room or book table after just a few minutes chatting with the lady. This example is why. The mamasan also didn't get her commission for writing the voucher for the booking table and Classic didn't get their cut. Classic will fix this if it happens too often, which will be a degraded experience for everyone.
Whether someone spends an hour drinking with a lady at the table, playing pool, or fucking her. The price is the same. 365 K for the hour. Anyone that has a lady at her table for more than a few minutes is paying her. It is called "booking table." The OP was not ripped off and it was not a scam. They were just unaware. This is the problem with a lot of new visitors coming to Jakarta that don't understand the nuances and the system there.
Also. +1 on calling out the irony of OP raving about the price, but feeling like they were ripped off about something that is standard practice.
Agreed. This will just be bad for foreigners overall. The next evolution of this will be a requirement that any more than 5 minutes of time talking to the lady, you will be required to book a table for 365 K and pay beforehand.
There are some posters here that have complained about being nagged by the mamasan to go the room or book table after just a few minutes chatting with the lady. This example is why. The mamasan also didn't get her commission for writing the voucher for the booking table and Classic didn't get their cut. Classic will fix this if it happens too often, which will be a degraded experience for everyone.
Whether someone spends an hour drinking with a lady at the table, playing pool, or fucking her. The price is the same. 365 K for the hour. Anyone that has a lady at her table for more than a few minutes is paying her. It is called "booking table." The OP was not ripped off and it was not a scam. They were just unaware. This is the problem with a lot of new visitors coming to Jakarta that don't understand the nuances and the system there.
Also. +1 on calling out the irony of OP raving about the price, but feeling like they were ripped off about something that is standard practice.Imagine a guy playing pool the whole time with a woman you find attractive and would pay for sex, but then playing for free with a guy who doesn't want to pay. That's ridiculous and pointlessly stalls a woman. I think it's perfectly reasonable to draw the line after 10 minutes and say, "It's either an hour in a table or a room, or she leaves. " It's a brothel, not a nightclub.
Whether someone spends an hour drinking with a lady at the table, playing pool, or fucking her. The price is the same. 365 K for the hour. Anyone that has a lady at her table for more than a few minutes is paying her. It is called "booking table." The OP was not ripped off and it was not a scam. They were just unaware. This is the problem with a lot of new visitors coming to Jakarta that don't understand the nuances and the system there.
Also. +1 on calling out the irony of OP raving about the price, but feeling like they were ripped off about something that is standard practice.
Exactly as you said, OP was not aware. I've seen some of OP's other reports, and he appears to be a generous guy who did not intend to rip anyone off, but was simply not aware.
E.g., if coming from Thailand and the bar scene there, there's no charge for hanging out or playing pool with girls in the bar. Depending on the bar, they may or may not ask for some "lady drinks" during that time, and quickly leave you for greener pastures if you decline to buy a drink or two, but if the mamasan or anyone else afterwards request that you pay the girls for their time during the hour you played pool with them ... in Thailand, that would be somebody trying to scam you.
Jakarta is obviously not Thailand, but I'm not surprised a first time visitor would think the same thing would be some kind of scam if it happened to him in Jakarta, especially when the price for the girl to hang out and play pool with you is the same as the price for you fucking that girl in the room.
Steve 9696
11-12-25, 01:53
Awwww fuck now I feel bad. I am used to being scammed and pressured in various places and the mamasans at T2 give that vibe in spades. So I assumed.
In my defense I will say that this is VERY inconsistent with their other policies. They are super consistent on getting you to consent to everything. You have to sign for every drink! (Unlike Bangkok there they can pad your bill and say you agreed). It's not appropriate to hit me with this an hour later. In fact when we went to play pool the girls said let me go tell mama where I am. Perfect opportunity for mama to tell the only white guy in the club (so obv unfamiliar with unwritten rules) that he was committed to pay for her time.
And yeah it's not that I can't afford it obviously. It's the principal of both allowing scams or price inflation to ruin our little ecosystem. So I thought I was doing the right thing by pushing back. Sorry guys. (And I did give the girl 200 K for her time no way she was going to get a room that time of night with 100 other girls to choose from, so the "opportunity cost" argument is a little specious.).
PS last night was my last night here. Had a hottie at 1001 and repeated with Raisa at Classsic T2 late night. Love that girl. Report forthcoming.
NoGermaphobe
11-12-25, 02:39
One other observation about T2 vs T5 besides the vibe. I always take a pic of my girl. Clothes on and tasteful but I like to keep track. The girl at T5 said absolutely not and pointed to several signs in the room that say no photos. At T2 there are no such signs and the girls I took had no issue allowing a pic when I was done.I see you have already posted your mea culpa on the whole booking table thing and not paying Classic the voucher price for her hour of time. (remember, classic gets a cut and so does the mamasan) So the point of this post is not to beat you up over it.
However, your observation of T5's photo policy offers a unique opportunity to connect the reason why your actions at T2 the other day were probably not advisable.
To illustrate my point that our actions in Jakarta have consequences for others, I think we can draw a fairly straight line here about why T5 does not allow pictures and it seems pretty clear the reasons are based on the actions of a single individual from this board. I won't name him. But any long term reader of the Jakarta section will know who I am referring to.
See, there was a poster who was pretty prolific and had mongered in other countries as well. He fell in love with Jakarta and spent several months there over several trips. He posted very detailed trip reports, but he also had a really short fuse and often got into internet battles that quickly escalated. I'll leave the details there, as I wasn't affected by them. But others here have told their stories.
This poster did the same as you. He would often take a tasteful, fully clothed picture of his ladies, including ladies at T5.
Anyway. One night, this individual was drunk posting and arguing with some others about something. I think the availability or non availability of BB. So to prove his point, he posted a picture of a lady from T5. Her eyes were blacked out, but her unique hair color and a very visible tattoo made her easy to identify. The final words of his post were something like. Go fuck her. Go BB her!
So the internet obliged and all the lurkers here immediately rushed to T5 to go see her. This obviously overwhelmed her and eventually it made it back to both her and the management of T5 that her pictures were on the internet. Folks were also demanding BB from her. (I happened to see her a few days after the incident. Before I could even say, namamu siapa? (what's your name) or Apa khabar? (how are you?) Her first words to me, before anything else was harus pakai kondom! (must use condom).
What happened next? Well, the next time the person who posted her photo went to T5, he was confronted by management and security, taken to an office apparently and forced to delete the pictures of her from his phone. Then apparently the no photos policy was really hammered home to the ladies. It seems like this policy is still in effect and working well based on your post.
That is not the end of the story, unfortunately. The individual poster who posted her photos then received a stream of threatening DMs from others upset they could no longer take photos of their ladies in T5. I think that was the reason. This part I don't remember as well. Just that he was the subject of threatening DMs. So much so that he started to fear for his safety and retired from the board. This was apparently the second destination where he feared for his safety. Another destination apparently he fucked someone's girlfriend. (Also, in the interest of fairness. Several other posters have mentioned the irony of him fearing for his safety as he allegedly DMed several others before this incident and threatened to fight them in person over internet disagreements.) Again. I make no judgements, I am just passing on the story.
My point here is that our actions have consequences. This individual probably directly effected your ability at T5 to take a picture. And your refusal to pay for something you probably should have paid for will effect the next visitor. And so on. Whether it will be more aggressive mamasans after talking to a lady for 5 minutes. Coming over and forcing you to book a table after 5 minutes, an official policy, whatever it ends up looking like. The environment in Jakarta and these places is usually pretty chill. They don't want to have to nag you. They expected customers to know if they spent an hour of time with a lady working in a brothel, they would have to pay for her time. Maybe this leads to a less chill environment in the future.
And so I leave everyone with that thought. Change is inevitable as Jakarta gets more popular. But it will also get shittier and shittier with all the extra attention. Especially those that don't fully understand the system there.
I see you have already posted your mea culpa on the whole booking table thing and not paying Classic the voucher price for her hour of time. (remember, classic gets a cut and so does the mamasan) So the point of this post is not to beat you up over it. 100% Truth, 'Ripples become currents'.
I never understood the fascination of taking photos of working girls, one needs to understand that this has the potential of making an otherwise cool situation awkward / uncomfortable for the girl, let alone the risk of floating it through the internet, they also have lives other than the work life of theirs which we interact with.
I understand one taking them as trophies of conquests but still don't agree with the whole ordeal. It is another thing of girls advertising themselves as Indies and sharing photos of their own will, but we should not be the ones to push the agenda (not everyone is there willingly or wants to ride the waves of sex trade). Also having them in your phone could pose a risk for you back home.
Classic girls generally strive to please and large part of that is credit to the system that they are in, you will see the stark difference when you call Indies to your hotel and deal with their schenanigans. So we should be a little discerning of this set system which works great for us all and respect their boundaries, ask beforehand if you are not aware or have a wish that could lead to ambiguous situations, if they say yes then great else leave it there.
Steve 9696
11-12-25, 05:27
100% Truth, 'Ripples become currents'.
I never understood the fascination of taking photos of working girls, one needs to understand that this has the potential of making an otherwise cool situation awkward / uncomfortable for the girl, let alone the risk of floating it through the internet, they also have lives other than the work life of theirs which we interact with.
I understand one taking them as trophies of conquests but still don't agree with the whole ordeal. It is another thing of girls advertising themselves as Indies and sharing photos of their own will, but we should not be the ones to push the agenda (not everyone is there willingly or wants to ride the waves of sex trade). Also having them in your phone could pose a risk for you back home.
Classic girls generally strive to please and large part of that is credit to the system that they are in, you will see the stark difference when you call Indies to your hotel and deal with their schenanigans. So we should be a little discerning of this set system which works great for us all and respect their boundaries, ask beforehand if you are not aware or have a wish that could lead to ambiguous situations, if they say yes then great else leave it there.Just to be clear I am in 100% agreement. Always get the girls agreement and never post publically. Ever. It's just 100% uncool to do otherwise.
As far as the allure, I keep a google doc of all the girls I've ever been with going back to 2014. And I have pictures of every noteworthy one. The stories I write are primarily for me to reread and remember fondly. Paired with a picture it is so nice to think back to all the young ladies I've spent time with. And a few special ones. Like Thifany from 2018 who I flew to London after only knowing her five hours! I still look at those pics and videos of our time together and smile.
I think Raisa will be a fond memory even though we were only together twice. A sweet soul in a beautiful package.
Ps both Emporium and 1001 lock ur phone in a bag so there is no ambiguity.
Just to be clear I am in 100% agreement. Always get the girls agreement and never post publically. Ever. It's just 100% uncool to do otherwise. Sounds good bro, and once again good detailed posts.
Empo I am aware of the phone policy and honestly I am more comfortable that way, I am always concerned about where the phone is once inside the room, the girl also has just as much potential for damage with her phone. I had one girl who clicked my pic accidentally (not in Jakarta), as she was fascinated by a cat who walked inside our room from somewhere (maybe during food delivery) during a full nighter. I had a very hard time getting her to delete that pic as she was drunk and got bat shit crazy that I didn't trust her.
I understand your tryst with the pool table incident, I had a similar one in KI, I just came out of a bang and was not interested in going for another one immediately but it was also boring to drink alone, I spent some time with the mama and girl and when she insisted on room, I suggested that I will tip the girl for the time spent and not in a state to head straight to room now but the mama refused and I understood how they operate, hard lesson learnt and I did not repeat it again, but it is good to know that you can pay for 1 hour to get a girl to accompany you at the pool table, it can be a good recharger without you sitting alone at a table listening to foreign music which you can't make any sense of.
Steve 9696
11-12-25, 09:21
Taking off for Bangkok again on my way back to US. Thanks for reading my rambles and appreciate all the advice you guys have given that made this a great visit. Here's my final report out. Keep the faith while I am gone. I'll be back!
As usual I have some US time zone meeting fucking up my fucking! 😝Tonight's is at 22:30 so I have to work around that. Figure I can do one venue before and one after. More if I'm feeling energetic.
My first thought is to repeat with my Seeking girl. And it's a good thought. I like her. But it doesn't work out because of evening meetings that we both have. Oh well. Plan be.
I know I want to end up at Classic and see Raisa again. I have mama Chaca's number so I can set up a time. But what in the meantime? Well the one place I haven't been yet is 1001 and Colloseum, so I head that way. Turns out Colloseum doesn't open till 9 pm so "1001 Pool" it is.
I put pool in quotes because I have read about experiences there but the papasan says no one really does the pool until 9 or 10 pm. He also says that it's 3. 5 M which includes an hour of pool time and two hours and two shots in the room. I felt like I read about 90 min slots but he doesn't mention that. So I opt for an hour room time.
There are about 30 girls seated stadium style at the end of the room. He says that Indo girls are 2 M and foreign girls are 4 M. The girls on the end are the Indo girls. The foreign girls are out of sight somewhere. I say I prefer local girls and he immediately calls a lineup.
Even tho I am a pro at this, it's intimidating to have 15-20 girls lined up in a semi circle around you and be asked to pick. I do survey them but no one 💯 lights me up so I say I prefer to wait. The waiter gets me a beer and it says 190 on the menu but he says it's included.
I sip my beer casually and watch some girls file in and out. After finishing my beer I call for a new lineup. I don't know if it was the same set of girls or not. I am set on checking out two things: one, what does their rack look like, and two are they making eye contact and smiling. Two of them fit the bill and I select Nicole.
She seems pleased and joins me. Quite cuddly and hands on on knee etc. We only spend like five minutes and then head to the room. The rooms at 1001 — and in fact the whole place — is way higher end than Emporium or Malio. Def has the most luxe feel of the three.
When we undress I see I made a great choice. She has absolutely perfect see Cups. In fact I am a little disappointed tho because they are too perfect to be real and I hoped for a natural set. Well fuck me, but it turns out they are 100% real. Honestly, the finest tits of my career — perfect in every respect both visually and for feel. Just stunning. Stunning. Goddess tits.
Nice bath prep but soon we are naked on the bed. Now the one big downside of 1001 is it has a rep for CBJ. And sure enough my girl tries to go there. I wave her off and think she's complying but it's just some pecks and licks. She won't put it in her mouth without a condom. I suppose I coulda made a huger deal but they use these Vivo condoms at several of these places and they are pretty good. So I decide not to make a scene. And it's a darn good CBJ.
Fucking. Is equally good and she has a great ass and tiny waist. I can almost encircle it with my hands! Like how is that possible. And those tits are just to die for.
We fuck in all the positions and have a very nice time and good long go of it. But the CBJ is of course a problem because I often don't finish inside when using a condom and go to the BBBJ for the finish. But as that is not an option we move to a lube handy finish.
It feels darn good but you hate to pay 2 M for a handy! But I rationalize that I am paying for those tits. And I make use of them! She is jacking away but I really don't feel the build. Got to say for a handy she's doing a great job with fully integrated sloppy ball work and jacking at the same time. But my epiphany is "make use of those tits!" So I lean forward and start working those beauties as she continues to work my dick. Well that is just the fucking ticket and maybe 3 minutes later I fire off a nice shot.
There is definitely more to be explored at 1001. They say the club doesn't open till 9. But as I'm exiting I see a bar just inside the entrance. Must be 20 girls in there. Maybe one guy. Are these freelancers? Anyone know?
And the restaurant is solid and reasonably priced so I go ahead and have a meal. Again a few girls in there as well. All in all I might repeat at 1001. It's just got that high end feel. The CBJ is a downer but prob negotiable with the right girl and a tip.
The damage when I leave is indeed the quoted 2 M. They must include the room etc when they quote. Because the girl is clearly 1400 on the itemized bill and the the room and the cover / beer is the rest. So it's nice that there aren't a lot of other charges piled on top. Why was quoted was what was paid.
With some time to kill before my call, I bop to Classic and spend a bit of time at T5 and T2. I have a duh / aha moment that the reason thst all the male singers suck is that they are not singers at all! They have put a karaoke mike out in the audience. So as the live band plays, there is a random and usually very bad dude belting his heart out, wildly off key. Hahahaha.
Alas I must down my beer and go to my call after about an hour. And then.
Now it's time for round 2 and where do I go but Classic. I tell mama Chaca that I am coming for Raisa later and she says she can be ready by 12. Which later becomes 12:15 which later is 12:30 in the end. In the meantime I pick a couple prospects in T5 and file them away. And then go to T2. I do see my other "T2 wife" Mey briefly on her way to the bathroom but fortunately we don't cross paths again as I am there for Raisa.
It's a bit longer wait than I would have preferred. Because if I knew it was going to be 12:30 I would have taken another girl. But since it was going to be 12:00 I didn't. And then that inched out. In the end only had time for the 12:30-1:30 slot with Raisa. Not that I'm complaining — that girl is fire!
Felt really comfortable together second time and one on one. Lovely bath prep. Slow and sexy kissing and love making. Really felt like a GF. And her tits are equally spectacular. Maybe 95% as good as Nicole— which makes them better than 98% of the girls I've been with! Just lovely. And man she likes to have them sucked. She was a sloppy mess after that. Amazing kissing. All the trimmings. Just a really good session.
On the subject of the phone ringing early I can't swear 100%, but pretty sure it rang at 50 minutes from when I took her. This would make perfect sense. The ten minute warning. Gave us time to shower and gather our stuff. No rush.
Another great night at Classic. To be honest, I fell in love with Classic. Not just the pricing but the whole club that is T2 — the vibe, the band, the gogo girls, and the endless stream of hotties parading around for lineups. So while the other clubs have some hotties, I think I will personally find myself at Classic night after night, just as I am at Scandallo in Brazil.
They do but you can take it out and make or receive calls, send emails and play games no restrictions at all. But taking photos or making a video is a pure no no.
Ps both Emporium and 1001 lock ur phone in a bag so there is no ambiguity.
They do but you can take it out and make or receive calls, send emails and play games no restrictions at all. But taking photos or making a video is a pure no no.Yes, what's definitely really important is to play a few games, write emails, or even make phone calls while surrounded by beautiful people. It would be completely wrong to enjoy your beer and indulge in the sight of these beauties.
Steve 9696
11-15-25, 18:30
They do but you can take it out and make or receive calls, send emails and play games no restrictions at all. But taking photos or making a video is a pure no no.Both places that sequestered my phone sealed with a small locked cable. So there was no "getting it out". The camera side is opaque / blurred whereas the screen side is clear. Theoretically you could do a little bit thru the case and prob even a selfie thru the screen side cam, tho it seems best avoided given their security protocols.
Expat American
11-16-25, 03:12
Yes, what's definitely really important is to play a few games, write emails, or even make phone calls while surrounded by beautiful people. It would be completely wrong to enjoy your beer and indulge in the sight of these beauties.In Emporium I often chill in the hot tub after the session. At that time using the phone is helpful. For example messaging my date for the evening or just scrolling. The girls don't hang by the pool area if they are not with a customer so there is nothing to look at.
Offshore Swell
11-16-25, 04:21
It's pretty funny listening to all the moralizing about whether photos should or should not be collected.
OS has the whatsapp numbers of his three favourite mami's. All of whom post daily in their whatsapp status, photo's of all the available current stock along with names. (Yes, they call them stok), so OS gets to feast his eyes on any given day on 100 or more young ladies. More than he could ever hope to slide his big thing in and out of. That's a daunting thought. Why one Mami even has photo's of all her girls topless so OS can choose on breasts alone without even having to consider the lovely girl's head. Although said mami will not share the topless pics to OS, jahat DIA.
Kind of makes the conversation about taking photo's redundant, but if it makes you all feel better, carry on.
And I thought that was a given.
LOL.
Yes, what's definitely really important is to play a few games, write emails, or even make phone calls while surrounded by beautiful people. It would be completely wrong to enjoy your beer and indulge in the sight of these beauties.
I made a video in Emporium once, girl didn't say anything. After the session I tipped her and went back to my locker. 2 security guys walked over and politely asked me to show them the video and they deleted it from my phone. Asked me not to do it again and I followed. They take this very seriously.
Both places that sequestered my phone sealed with a small locked cable. So there was no "getting it out". The camera side is opaque / blurred whereas the screen side is clear. Theoretically you could do a little bit thru the case and prob even a selfie thru the screen side cam, tho it seems best avoided given their security protocols.
Has anyone actually ever had the girls brought to the pool as part of the lineup?
Hi ALL,
So ill be in Manila for a weekend and am also looking to take a detour to Jakarta to check out what the buzz is about but can't seem to get my head around if the Terms T1, T2 and T5 are different establishments or are all in Classic Hotel?
I can see that emporium and Classic are different establishments but can someone please guide a rookie about the above terms?
Thanks.
Nuggy.
NoGermaphobe
11-17-25, 03:39
Hi ALL,
So ill be in Manila for a weekend and am also looking to take a detour to Jakarta to check out what the buzz is about but can't seem to get my head around if the Terms T1, T2 and T5 are different establishments or are all in Classic Hotel?
Here you go.
Overview of the establishments inside Classic Hotel (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=3019501&viewfull=1#post3019501)
Steve 9696
11-17-25, 03:45
Hi ALL,
So ill be in Manila for a weekend and am also looking to take a detour to Jakarta to check out what the buzz is about but can't seem to get my head around if the Terms T1, T2 and T5 are different establishments or are all in Classic Hotel?
I can see that emporium and Classic are different establishments but can someone please guide a rookie about the above terms?
Thanks.
Nuggy.I summarized this about five posts down. But to summarize again.
Yes. All three are clubs inside Classic. The T is basically their floor number.
T1 - Mellowist of the three. Lounge vibe with couches. 40-50 girls stadium style at end of club.
T2 - most popular and biggest. Pumping loud vibe. Over 100 girls seated on couches around the perimeter.
T5 - medium chill club with band prob 80 girls? In two stadium style sections.
A beer is like $4 so you can easily just bop between them at a cost of $4 per club swap. Saw some guy complaining about that and literally LOL. Just grab your $4 beer, enjoy, and try the next one.
Expat American
11-17-25, 07:38
Has anyone actually ever had the girls brought to the pool as part of the lineup?Yes. One time I got there early and the line up was weak. So I went down to the pool for about 30 to 45 min. Then I messaged David and he brought the line up down to the pool. I've also seen other guests get line ups down there. Whether you get this as a first time visitor I don't know but as a regular its done.
Yes. One time I got there early and the line up was weak. So I went down to the pool for about 30 to 45 min. Then I messaged David and he brought the line up down to the pool. I've also seen other guests get line ups down there. Whether you get this as a first time visitor I don't know but as a regular its done.Thanks! Actually, I've only ever been there before, sat in the lobby, had a beer, picked a woman, had good sex, and left. I thought maybe you could relax by the pool for a bit and order some drinks, but going back to the main room would mean changing again, which would be annoying.
Think I have found my next spot for after Philippines.
Thanks all.
CherchezFemme
11-18-25, 20:55
Any Jakarta vets or expats have advice for long term rentals in the city?
Specifically as it relates to privacy, dating, bringing different girls back to my apartment.
I've been to Indo 2 x and I'm thinking of staying a few months.
From what I understand it's best to live in an apartment building connected to, or next to, a mall.
Ideally with a fitness center in the building itself or in the mall.
How will it work if I'm living in a big building with doormen or porters with a lobby?
Will they say something after I've brought the 20th girl that month back?
Will they ask the girls embarrassing questions?
Appreciate any advice.
PartyAnimal
11-19-25, 12:04
Well it happened. For someone who never even goes for a bbj and insists on CBJ / cfk had a moment. This was a massage lady I visited for third time. First 2 were no sex just base 1 and in the heat to f it for third time we had penetrative sex. I was reaching out for condom (which I always keep) but she said no. So excited I came in less than 30 secs and was cautious to ejaculate outside. But now panicking. Asked her if she does this often and she refused but I cannot be sure because of her profession. I see a lot of regulars here go bareback so wanted to ask what should I do? How much is the risk? I even checked PEP but seems it's available only on prescription and typically such stuff will be reported to ministry of health. So real panick right now. Please guide.
Expat American
11-19-25, 12:09
Well it happened. For someone who never even goes for a bbj and insists on CBJ / cfk had a moment. This was a massage lady I visited for third time. First 2 were no sex just base 1 and in the heat to f it for third time we had penetrative sex. I was reaching out for condom (which I always keep) but she said no. So excited I came in less than 30 secs and was cautious to ejaculate outside. But now panicking. Asked her if she does this often and she refused but I cannot be sure because of her profession. I see a lot of regulars here go bareback so wanted to ask what should I do? How much is the risk? I even checked PEP but seems it's available only on prescription and typically such stuff will be reported to ministry of health. So real panick right now. Please guide.Relax man. Chances of catching anything from that single encounter are marginally small. You can take 200 MG doxy to be sure on the bacterial infection side. Your chances of HIV are as close to zero as possible. Herpes etc, well there's nothing you can do about it anyway but if you didn't notice any sores you are probably okay there too. Many of us bareback routinely and haven't heard of anyone dying yet.
PartyAnimal
11-19-25, 16:44
Relax man. Chances of catching anything from that single encounter are marginally small. You can take 200 MG doxy to be sure on the bacterial infection side. Your chances of HIV are as close to zero as possible. Herpes etc, well there's nothing you can do about it anyway but if you didn't notice any sores you are probably okay there too. Many of us bareback routinely and haven't heard of anyone dying yet.Didn't observe anything in depth for sores but had fingered her and no bad smell or odour. It's just her pussy was bright pink compared to rest of her skin. Spoke to doc on halodoc and alodokter and while one suggested pep for safety but couldn't issue. Other said no need. Just gave high dose of antibiotic.
There are few apartments next to Central Park Mall west Jakarta.
Few stay near thamrin.
Better you stay airbnb and check in person first week.
Any Jakarta vets or expats have advice for long term rentals in the city?
Specifically as it relates to privacy, dating, bringing different girls back to my apartment.
I've been to Indo 2 x and I'm thinking of staying a few months.
From what I understand it's best to live in an apartment building connected to, or next to, a mall.
Ideally with a fitness center in the building itself or in the mall.
How will it work if I'm living in a big building with doormen or porters with a lobby?
Will they say something after I've brought the 20th girl that month back?
Will they ask the girls embarrassing questions?
Appreciate any advice.
I found travelio, it has many apartments in Jakarta. Any other suggestions?
I found travelio, it has many apartments in Jakarta. Any other suggestions?https://www.agoda.com/sl/aPB0hu51oQP
Sudirman Hill Residences.
I have stayed here and it is great. It has washing machine, kitchen, refrigerator. The apartment shares facilities with somerset hotel so there is swimming pool with the view of Jakarta, Jacuzzi, Sauna, Gym. Really close to so many restaurants and minimarkets. The downside is it's far from North Jakarta and no free breakfast.
Has anyone recently stayed at Mandarin Oriental? Are there freelancers in the MO Bar? I normally stay at four-star hotels under $50 USD when I'm traveling to Jakara for pleasure as my hotel needs are minimal, but this time I'm heading there for a summit near SBCD and booked the Mandarin Oriental so I can meet business clients. I heard the MO bar is nice with live music and drinks but is the freelancer scene similar or nowhere close to BATS at Shangri La, CJ at Mulia bars?
AmericanPi
11-20-25, 02:07
Has anyone recently stayed at Mandarin Oriental? Are there freelancers in the MO Bar? I normally stay at four-star hotels under $50 USD when I'm traveling to Jakara for pleasure as my hotel needs are minimal, but this time I'm heading there for a summit near SBCD and booked the Mandarin Oriental so I can meet business clients. I heard the MO bar is nice with live music and drinks but is the freelancer scene similar or nowhere close to BATS at Shangri La, CJ at Mulia bars?I stayed there recently. Fantastic hotel. Strongly recommend. Amazing Chinese restaurant (not moo goo gai pan).
I didn't see any pros at the bar. The bar was actually dead the few times that I went.
But honestly it doesn't matter. The hotel doesn't care who you bring in and out. Like zero. And it's easy to get girls in Jakarta. Having a bar with girls would be the last criterion I I would consider.
I actually preferred that the bar was dead. Because when I brought girls to the bar, there was nobody staring. Except the bartenders.
Offshore Swell
11-20-25, 03:11
Well it happened. For someone who never even goes for a bbj and insists on CBJ / cfk had a moment. This was a massage lady I visited for third time. First 2 were no sex just base 1 and in the heat to f it for third time we had penetrative sex. I was reaching out for condom (which I always keep) but she said no. So excited I came in less than 30 secs and was cautious to ejaculate outside. But now panicking. Asked her if she does this often and she refused but I cannot be sure because of her profession. I see a lot of regulars here go bareback so wanted to ask what should I do? How much is the risk? I even checked PEP but seems it's available only on prescription and typically such stuff will be reported to ministry of health. So real panick right now. Please guide.Probably best to get your will in order. OS can as a consolation prize (because you will definitely need consolation) Organise a one off referral for a ride with Grab feel although you must promise to wear gloves and no skin to skin contact. For a tour of Jakarta's cemeteries.
Well it happened. For someone who never even goes for a bbj and insists on CBJ / cfk had a moment. This was a massage lady I visited for third time. First 2 were no sex just base 1 and in the heat to f it for third time we had penetrative sex. I was reaching out for condom (which I always keep) but she said no. So excited I came in less than 30 secs and was cautious to ejaculate outside. But now panicking. Asked her if she does this often and she refused but I cannot be sure because of her profession. I see a lot of regulars here go bareback so wanted to ask what should I do? How much is the risk? I even checked PEP but seems it's available only on prescription and typically such stuff will be reported to ministry of health. So real panick right now. Please guide.If you contracted HPV, you may get genital warts on your member. And it could take 20 years until they appear. Then you get to experience removing them with nitrogen and without local anesthesia. And there's no cure. And don't google image search "HPV filiform warts". Ask me how I know.
Well it happened. For someone who never even goes for a bbj and insists on CBJ / cfk had a moment. This was a massage lady I visited for third time. First 2 were no sex just base 1 and in the heat to f it for third time we had penetrative sex. I was reaching out for condom (which I always keep) but she said no. So excited I came in less than 30 secs and was cautious to ejaculate outside. But now panicking. Asked her if she does this often and she refused but I cannot be sure because of her profession. I see a lot of regulars here go bareback so wanted to ask what should I do? How much is the risk? I even checked PEP but seems it's available only on prescription and typically such stuff will be reported to ministry of health. So real panick right now. Please guide.Why didn't you creampie her? Very disappointing.
Asian Rain
11-21-25, 14:33
Well it happened. For someone who never even goes for a bbj and insists on CBJ / cfk had a moment. This was a massage lady I visited for third time. First 2 were no sex just base 1 and in the heat to f it for third time we had penetrative sex. I was reaching out for condom (which I always keep) but she said no. So excited I came in less than 30 secs and was cautious to ejaculate outside. But now panicking. Asked her if she does this often and she refused but I cannot be sure because of her profession. I see a lot of regulars here go bareback so wanted to ask what should I do? How much is the risk? I even checked PEP but seems it's available only on prescription and typically such stuff will be reported to ministry of health. So real panick right now. Please guide.Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Grok's prescription is to book a 2 girl session at Classic and flush out any of the bugs you picked up from the massage girl.
Thanks for the recommendation. I tend to avoid Classic given the reports of BBFS / CIP on the forum.As a barebacker, you can spare us such holier-than-thou posts in the future. AR.
I stayed there recently. Fantastic hotel. Strongly recommend. Amazing Chinese restaurant (not moo goo gai pan).
I didn't see any pros at the bar. The bar was actually dead the few times that I went.
But honestly it doesn't matter. The hotel doesn't care who you bring in and out. Like zero. And it's easy to get girls in Jakarta. Having a bar with girls would be the last criterion I I would consider.
I actually preferred that the bar was dead. Because when I brought girls to the bar, there was nobody staring. Except the bartenders.That is really great to know. There wasn't much information available about the MO Bar here, so I doubted about the freelancer scene here. I primarily chose Mandarin Oriental because of its strategic location in central Jakarta, close to Bundaran HI and the BNI stations, which makes it easier to take the LRT or commuter trains to the bars in North Jakarta and to Blok M. At other hotels like the Shangri La, Millennium Sirih, I often feel trapped because it's hard to get out of the area on Gojek or Grab rides from those locations.
WildInstincts
11-21-25, 16:47
Probably best to get your will in order. OS can as a consolation prize (because you will definitely need consolation) Organise a one off referral for a ride with Grab feel although you must promise to wear gloves and no skin to skin contact. For a tour of Jakarta's cemeteries.You are frigging hilarious. Can't stop laughing 🤣.
Steve 9696
11-21-25, 20:53
That is really great to know. There wasn't much information available about the MO Bar here, so I doubted about the freelancer scene here. I primarily chose Mandarin Oriental because of its strategic location in central Jakarta, close to Bundaran HI and the BNI stations, which makes it easier to take the LRT or commuter trains to the bars in North Jakarta and to Blok M. At other hotels like the Shangri La, Millennium Sirih, I often feel trapped because it's hard to get out of the area on Gojek or Grab rides from those locations.You may have other reasons for staying further south but north of the monument is the Movenpick. Maybe half a star short of five star but damn close. It's a five minute ride to Classic (my favorite) and literally 1 block from Emporium. Can't have a better location for a girl-enthusiast. Grab never took more than 2 minutes to arrive.
I primarily chose Mandarin Oriental because of its strategic location in central Jakarta, close to Bundaran HI and the BNI stations, which makes it easier to take the LRT or commuter trains to the bars in North Jakarta and to Blok M.How anre your experiences with public transport in Jakarta? I would love to stay in South Jakarta because the north is a disgusting dump.
I have used Google Maps to check the travel time from Tosari (close to Mandarin) to Glodok. Line 1 apparently takes 48 minutes! Is this correct? If yes, gojek will always be faster.
I can also vouch for Movenpick, great pick. Opened last year has a fantastic morning spread and a nice Italian restaurant, courteous staff and modern rooms. Emporium next door and is just 5 minutes walk to Classic. 2 downsides for me, small rooms and not much to do in the area. That's why I prefer to be in center closer to the malls. My picks there: Ascott, Mandarin Oriental, Pullman and 4 points by Sheraton.
You may have other reasons for staying further south but north of the monument is the Movenpick. Maybe half a star short of five star but damn close. It's a five minute ride to Classic (my favorite) and literally 1 block from Emporium. Can't have a better location for a girl-enthusiast. Grab never took more than 2 minutes to arrive.
…And it's easy to get girls in Jakarta..I've mongered in Asia, US and Mexico.
I've been to Jakarta twice and used Tinder and Seeking. I've been to Classic and Emporium and Grand Indonesia Mall. I've RTFF many times. Can you kindly elaborate on exactly how do you easily get girls. Thanks in advance.
How anre your experiences with public transport in Jakarta? I would love to stay in South Jakarta because the north is a disgusting dump.
I have used Google Maps to check the travel time from Tosari (close to Mandarin) to Glodok. Line 1 apparently takes 48 minutes! Is this correct? If yes, gojek will always be faster.I lived in the north and the south and no matter where you go the traffic is always going to be hectic unless you take a grab bike. (or at midnight when everyone is at home).
But anyway, back onto public transport, I have taken the Jakarta MRT and I had thought that it would be relatively easy just to walk over to the station right? Nope. There are no pedestrian walkways, and even the zebra crossing turned into a bike / car space leaving you without any room to cross the road unless you weave around the bikes. Yes, there are some strands of pedestrian walkways but a third of the way through you will be met with motorbikes and cars that straight up park on those walkways leaving you needing to walk on the car lane. This applies to the North and South.
Unless the train actually stops at your required destination that it really isn't that convenient. Other than that I haven't taken the Public bus but is it really worth when you are on holiday and time is precious since you've only got a certain limited amount of time before you head back?
I also worked out that getting the Grab bike / car would not amount to that much of a cost, like 2 USD for 10/15 minutes of travel journey via bike and something like 14/15 USD for an hours worth of travelling via grab car, it really isn't that expensive and you'd really save a lot of time and effort.
Forgot to mention that yes, unless you are at the heart of Jakarta city (central) near upscale buildings then yes the walkways and there are a few skybridges however the rest of Jakarta is not really worth the effort in walking. (Unless you like to walking and like to explore).
And by no means does Jakarta have the worst pedestrian walkways, other countries like Vietnam have it worst by a longshot as crossing the road requires you to leap frog and pray.
Does anyone know when the best time to go to the Milio Hotel is? Has anyone tried the Dheaven Hotel and Spa? The pictures are beautiful. I contacted them, but they told me to book the lady a day in advance, which is strange.
Emporium new Price. VIP / v: 2. 050.000 / regular / b: 1.550.000 Rate LS: 880.0000.
Emporium new Price. VIP / v: 2. 050.000 / regular / b: 1.550.000 Rate LS: 880.0000.Can you please elaborate? With the old pricing one used to pay about 2-2. 5 juta based on girl selection and other add ONS like drinks / food et all. This was all for 1. 5 HR experience.
How does it compare now?
How anre your experiences with public transport in Jakarta? I would love to stay in South Jakarta because the north is a disgusting dump.
I have used Google Maps to check the travel time from Tosari (close to Mandarin) to Glodok. Line 1 apparently takes 48 minutes! Is this correct? If yes, gojek will always be faster.Bro calling the entire north bad is a going over the top. There are plenty of good hotels with not so bad surroundings in Central as well as North Jak.
Movenpick is mentioned a lot over here, there is holiday inn, mercure and so many other good hotels. No matter where you decide to stay please ensure you don't stay in a hotel labelled as Syariah in their name, these hotels have strict rules (prbly because of Islamic religious beliefs) and they don't allow alcohol or girls inside, I made the mistake of booking one first, but then read the rules and immediately cancelled (no offense to anyone, it just means that it is not a typical hotel where you plan to party).
Trust me travelling from south to north each time for mongering will make you feel like you are commuting for work the distance may be only 9-12 kms but there is lot of traffic at any given time of the day and it will make your journey excruciating, especially on a 2 wheeler and 4 wheeler means more traffic wait times. I just travelled there twice earlier this year and it made me question myself as to why the hell am I doing this.
Bro calling the entire north bad is a going over the top. There are plenty of good hotels…
Trust me travelling from south to north each time for mongering will make you feel like you are commuting for work the distance may be only 9-12 kms but there is lot of traffic at any given time of the day and it will make your journey excruciating, especially on a 2 wheeler and 4 wheeler means more traffic wait times. I just travelled there twice earlier this year and it made me question myself as to why the hell am I doing this.There are definitely decent hotels in the north. My problem is that I need to walk in an open space every other day, or I'll get depressed. And I think there is not a single walkable sidewalk in all of North Jakarta, at least in the part where we guys use to hang out. It is so bad that I usually take a grab for every distance over 500 m, or 300 m if I need to cross a street.
There are three categories: VIP 2 million, Regular 1.55 million. I paid 75,000 for two Bintang Lemons (special offer) and 1.625 for one regular drink. I spent 30 minutes in the pool and an hour in my room. Given the prices, I naturally ignored their attempts to tip me.
Do you mean a different offer where you get more women? Explain it to me and I'll ask about it!
Does anyone know when the best time to go to the Milio Hotel is? Has anyone tried the Dheaven Hotel and Spa? The pictures are beautiful. I contacted them, but they told me to book the lady a day in advance, which is strange.Malio for the dance club, the prime time would be around 9-10.8 pm is when the girls start working but many of them take their time (makeup and getting their hair done).
Sundays, Mondays are usually empty as the local customers are usually at home, or dreading at work because its the first day of the week. Wednesday to Saturday have the most customers therefore more girls working on those days as there is more of a success to be taken.
As for the lounge, I've only been once so I can't answer the full experience as I was only there from 6 pm-8 pm, it was relatively quiet with only a few rich customers sitting on the table. The girls are all pretty chill just sitting their on their phones.
Can you please elaborate? With the old pricing one used to pay about 2-2. 5 juta based on girl selection and other add ONS like drinks / food et all. This was all for 1. 5 HR experience.
How does it compare now?
Can you please elaborate? With the old pricing one used to pay about 2-2. 5 juta based on girl selection and other add ONS like drinks / food et all. This was all for 1. 5 HR experience.
How does it compare now?Apologies if this is a double post (Logged out whilst writing).
My report on Emporium (last month).
I paid for the highest tiered girl for 2 mill (I can't remember if it was 2 or 2. 2) - I didn't request for food or a drink so I don't know if there is one provided or if you'd need to pay another rate.
I've preselected the girl via Telegram. You can add their TG: Search HOTEL EMP PECENONGAN.
- Girls names & images are shown on TG by going onto GRIYA PIJAT - then going onto media.
- Girls are on rotation so the girl that you've selected may not be working on that day.
- I didn't notice any photoshop with the girl I was with but I preselected one girl so I can't say the same for the rest.
Action:
1. The girl meets you in the lobby to confirm, you go back and get changed in the locker area, (shorts are provided) your phone is slipped into a translucent bag with some sort of lock around it preventing you from taking any pictures.
2. The girl gets changed and you get 30 minutes of chatting time before you do the deed. - 1. You can spend time in the lounge area or 2. Within the Jacuzzi or 3. At the tables or 4. Within the Cold pool. (I'd think most girls would refuse to get into the cold plunge). From there you can touch the girl and kiss (dependent on the girl I'd guess) but my girl was very willing and GFE and didn't refuse.
Also: The pool closes at 1 AM, so if you do want to mingle with the girl in the hot pool, then its best to arrive around 12 midnight or before that, otherwise you would spend the time in the lounge / table / deck chairs. (Of course it is more erotic in the pool).
3. Chatting time is up and from there you go your separate ways, you take a shower and change into new shorts and head back to the lounge area to wait for your girl.
4. The girl prepares and takes you downstairs, (The room that you get is dependent on the tiered girl you get). Since I picked the highest tier, my room was more extravagant. The room had a bath tub and large bed with various other amenities.) I'm can't be sure on what the lowered tiered rooms are like.
5. You get 1 hour once you enter the room. The girl led me into the bathtub again and prepared to lather me, we washed each other bodies but to be honest, I didn't really feel that it was the best use of my time since I had already showered after entering the pool but I just followed the Girl as she guided me. I might have been able to refuse but I wouldn't know.
6. You do the deed, the girl was GFE and did most of the work, she followed every instruction, gave me great DFK. (Thinking back, I might of been able to perform twice if it wasn't for the second shower.
7. Times up, a telephone rings and you prepare to go back and shower for the third time (the girl helps you and you can cleanse her body back). The girl proceeds to take you to a different counter where the cashier presents you with a slip asking for how much tips you would like to give, with options from 100 k / 200 k / 500 k / 1 mill. (all tips goes to the girl).
8. You and the girl say goodbye, you go back to the locker room and change back to your own clothes. I presume you could hang around the lounge area and order some drinks and prepare for another round with another girl but that would also be at another additional cost. Of 900 k / 1.5 mill / 2 mill.
9. I left and went back up to the front desk and paid the final amount 2 mill + whatever tips you decided to give.
Overall, I felt that it was a pretty relaxing experience. The girl does everything for you and it isn't as mechanical as the girls from classic. They do insist on trying to please you as much as they can but again it is also dependent on the girl that you select. But I'm guessing that they've been into training by the mamasan since the establishment is on another level.
Would I say it was worth it? I guess yes for the experience since I wanted to try everything at least once. But would I go again? Probably not unless I'm tired and want to the girl to do the job / service me completely without me moving an inch.
There are three categories: VIP 2 million, Regular 1.55 million. I paid 75,000 for two Bintang Lemons (special offer) and 1.625 for one regular drink. I spent 30 minutes in the pool and an hour in my room. Given the prices, I naturally ignored their attempts to tip me.
Do you mean a different offer where you get more women? Explain it to me and I'll ask about it!Just trying to compare the prices with what I paid earlier this January it was 1. 2 and 1. 4 m pools for the girls, + 200 k mandatory tip + taxes, everything ran me into a total of about 2m.
You mentioned new prices, so how much did you pay for the entire experience (no need to add beer cost), just the girls+facilities cost.
Also does VIP include something different, does 2m include the girl cost?
[Non-English text deleted by Admin] If I subtract the cost of the beer, I paid 1.55 million, no more. The girl wanted a tip, but I didn't give anything because I think 1.55 million is a lot of money for this area. It includes 30 minutes in the pool and 1 hour in the room. The service was fantastic! What's the best time to go to Malio? VIP has a slightly better room, but that's about it. I hadn't been to a VIP room in a long time. I asked Sari, and she said the prices were increased on August 1st.
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For you classic experts out there, I just got back from my first time and had some questions. For T2, if the chick just bails after the first drink should I just assume that she vetted herself and it would've been shit or do I need to be more explicit in what I want (like the drink was to vibe check and she obviously failed). For BBFS, they gave me the pay what you think it's worth. What's the going tip here? I'm looking for a reasonable tip value that they are happy with, but I'm not overpaying.
Thanks JimmyZhu for the detailed report on your experience at Emporium. Do they have restriction of only 1 shot for the 90 min duration? Or do you have to buy / pay additional for 2 shots? Do they allow take out girl to your hotel room option?
Apologies if this is a double post (Logged out whilst writing).
My report on Emporium (last month).
I paid for the highest tiered girl for 2 mill (I can't remember if it was 2 or 2. 2) - I didn't request for food or a drink so I don't know if there is one provided or if you'd need to pay another rate.
I've preselected the girl via Telegram. You can add their TG: Search HOTEL EMP PECENONGAN.
- Girls names & images are shown on TG by going onto GRIYA PIJAT - then going onto media.
- Girls are on rotation so the girl that you've selected may not be working on that day.
- I didn't notice any photoshop with the girl I was with but I preselected one girl so I can't say the same for the rest.
Action:
1. The girl meets you in the lobby to confirm, you go back and get changed in the locker area, (shorts are provided) your phone is slipped into a translucent bag with some sort of lock around it preventing you from taking any pictures.
2. The girl gets changed and you get 30 minutes of chatting time before you do the deed. - 1. You can spend time in the lounge area or 2. Within the Jacuzzi or 3. At the tables or 4. Within the Cold pool. (I'd think most girls would refuse to get into the cold plunge). From there you can touch the girl and kiss (dependent on the girl I'd guess) but my girl was very willing and GFE and didn't refuse.
Also: The pool closes at 1 AM, so if you do want to mingle with the girl in the hot pool, then its best to arrive around 12 midnight or before that, otherwise you would spend the time in the lounge / table / deck chairs. (Of course it is more erotic in the pool).
3. Chatting time is up and from there you go your separate ways, you take a shower and change into new shorts and head back to the lounge area to wait for your girl.
4. The girl prepares and takes you downstairs, (The room that you get is dependent on the tiered girl you get). Since I picked the highest tier, my room was more extravagant. The room had a bath tub and large bed with various other amenities.) I'm can't be sure on what the lowered tiered rooms are like.
5. You get 1 hour once you enter the room. The girl led me into the bathtub again and prepared to lather me, we washed each other bodies but to be honest, I didn't really feel that it was the best use of my time since I had already showered after entering the pool but I just followed the Girl as she guided me. I might have been able to refuse but I wouldn't know.
6. You do the deed, the girl was GFE and did most of the work, she followed every instruction, gave me great DFK. (Thinking back, I might of been able to perform twice if it wasn't for the second shower.
7. Times up, a telephone rings and you prepare to go back and shower for the third time (the girl helps you and you can cleanse her body back). The girl proceeds to take you to a different counter where the cashier presents you with a slip asking for how much tips you would like to give, with options from 100 k / 200 k / 500 k / 1 mill. (all tips goes to the girl).
8. You and the girl say goodbye, you go back to the locker room and change back to your own clothes. I presume you could hang around the lounge area and order some drinks and prepare for another round with another girl but that would also be at another additional cost. Of 900 k / 1.5 mill / 2 mill.
9. I left and went back up to the front desk and paid the final amount 2 mill + whatever tips you decided to give.
Overall, I felt that it was a pretty relaxing experience. The girl does everything for you and it isn't as mechanical as the girls from classic. They do insist on trying to please you as much as they can but again it is also dependent on the girl that you select. But I'm guessing that they've been into training by the mamasan since the establishment is on another level.
Would I say it was worth it? I guess yes for the experience since I wanted to try everything at least once. But would I go again? Probably not unless I'm tired and want to the girl to do the job / service me completely without me moving an inch.
Thanks JimmyZhu for the detailed report on your experience at Emporium. Do they have restriction of only 1 shot for the 90 min duration? Or do you have to buy / pay additional for 2 shots? Do they allow take out girl to your hotel room option?I can't say for sure but what you do with the girl at the back of the room is up to you and the girl and what the chemistry is like. So maybe 2 shots is possible?
Note: you only get 1 hour to do the deed, the other 30 minutes you spend time just chatting and lightly making out in the lounge or the public pool I don't think you can take the girl to the room to spend the whole 90 minutes there, someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
I think the establishment closes at 2 am, so I don't think there is an option to barfine them for the night. I think the best possible way is to arrange something outside their working hours privately or perhaps wait for them to finish work and then come to your hotel. This is all dependent on how much you tip and your chemistry with the girl. However, I did get the girls number in the room before I paid and tipped but that eventually led to nowhere as the girl I chose couldn't make the commitment.
Offshore Swell
11-26-25, 03:12
As a barebacker, you can spare us such holier-than-thou posts in the future. AR.Yeah exactly! All these hooray Henry's are just spoiling the market. OS takes great enjoyment in perusing the pages of his local talent pool and it's just so disappointing when there's this gorgeous SYT and she says "No natural services" WTF? These do gooders who want to be safe all the time should just stay home so OS and AR can get on with the business of whoring.
Emporium: I did it last year and lured a girl to my hotel. She initially wanted 1.5 million and then came for 1 million. She made it clear to me, though, that she only had a limited window of time and could only be away for a certain period of time on specific days. She seems to be connected to the Emporium. In the end, you can save yourself the trouble and just play at the Emporium. Don't forget, you're also ruining the "boss's" business if you lure her out, and I don't know if that always ends well in Indonesia! By the way, I gave the smallest tip, so it doesn't really matter how much you give. I think the women feel rich just because you come there. Oh, and the tip slip thing must be old and doesn't exist anymore. That's probably why the prices are higher. Now I still don't know what the best time is to go to the Malio Hotel.
I decided to create a general map layout of the area for those who are hesitant or nervous going into the establishment.
NOTE:
1. The layout is not to scale and the layout is just an approximate estimate.
2. I have never been past the snooker table so I am unsure what lies beyond that area.
3. Areas maybe listed incorrectly as I am relying on my memory.
4. If the layout looks whack, that's because it is, the room is shaped like a polygon. The club is not rectangular and so the angles that I have drawn maybe out by many degrees.
Please refer to the attachment below for your reference:
{Snip} My picks there: Ascott, Mandarin Oriental, Pullman and 4 points by Sheraton.Thank for posting this info, very useful to me. Does anyone know if either of these hotels have a decent lobby / bar freelancer scene?
For you classic experts out there, I just got back from my first time and had some questions. For T2, if the chick just bails after the first drink should I just assume that she vetted herself and it would've been shit or do I need to be more explicit in what I want (like the drink was to vibe check and she obviously failed). For BBFS, they gave me the pay what you think it's worth. What's the going tip here? I'm looking for a reasonable tip value that they are happy with, but I'm not overpaying.If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.
Not overpaying is what helps Jakarta remain attractive, though some don't understand that unfortunately, and make all sorts of obscure comparisons, with the price of a camel in Bahrain, or a cup of coffee in Hawaii, or what have you not.
100k is a reasonable tip for that IMO, and I have the impression that puts me in the "ok" category. Neither too cheap, nor too rich.
If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.
Not overpaying is what helps Jakarta remain attractive, though some don't understand that unfortunately, and make all sorts of obscure comparisons, with the price of a camel in Bahrain, or a cup of coffee in Hawaii, or what have you not.
100k is a reasonable tip for that IMO, and I have the impression that puts me in the "ok" category. Neither too cheap, nor too rich.I have heard several times in Classic and Travel that Chinese people don't tip at all, which would surprise me if it were true.
If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.
Not overpaying is what helps Jakarta remain attractive, though some don't understand that unfortunately, and make all sorts of obscure comparisons, with the price of a camel in Bahrain, or a cup of coffee in Hawaii, or what have you not.
100k is a reasonable tip for that IMO, and I have the impression that puts me in the "ok" category. Neither too cheap, nor too rich.I agree, sometimes I find locals just pay for the girl to spend time with them on the table and they would order a few drinks. I would have thought that sometime during the end they would take them to the backroom and do the deed right? Nope, they just pay for table service and leave after they are finished with the drinks.
So in essence a lot of the locals treat it as a cabaret club. I also had asked the mamasan if I could play cards with the girls and she said yes as all I need to do was pay for the time. (I didn't go through with it in the end as my friends bailed out on me).
If you treat is a cabaret, then spending $18 isn't that bad if you put in that kind of perspective.
For BBFS, they gave me the pay what you think it's worth. What's the going tip here? I'm looking for a reasonable tip value that they are happy with, but I'm not overpaying.If the girl insists on negotiating a fixed tip for BBFS, we usually end up at 300 k, though I feel 200 might be possible with a few ones.
I very much prefer when the girl doesn't negotiate at all or is happy with a general promise of a tip, because it doesn't break my flow. In these cases I give 300 voluntarily. Why would I give less tip to a girl that actually delivered a better service?
Steve 9696
11-26-25, 13:01
I decided to create a general map layout of the area for those who are hesitant or nervous going into the establishment.
NOTE:
1. The layout is not to scale and the layout is just an approximate estimate.
2. I have never been past the snooker table so I am unsure what lies beyond that area.
3. Areas maybe listed incorrectly as I am relying on my memory.
4. If the layout looks whack, that's because it is, the room is shaped like a polygon. The club is not rectangular and so the angles that I have drawn maybe out by many degrees.
Please refer to the attachment below for your reference:Fuck dude you should be a cartographer. This is 100% spot on correct in waaay more detail than I could have imagined. Reminder to others. As you see bathrooms are on the left. So if you want to skip the mamasan gauntlet, the take an immediate left before engaging them and head to the toilet.
Steve 9696
11-26-25, 13:46
Só funny. I have one of my classic girls phone numbers and because I arranged a date with her via her mamasan, I have the mamasans number also. So I am browsing WhatsApp status of my girls around the world and who shows up but Mamasan Chaca! 😝 Pictures of her with her friends. Her food etc. Next I notice that when I post status mama Chaca is always one of the first to view and like it. Hahaha no harm no foul just an interesting little connection 12000 miles away. Small world.
Absolutely incredible and accurate, can some kind soul mark this as a 'report of distinction'. Well done Jimmy boy.
I decided to create a general map layout of the area for those who are hesitant or nervous going into the establishment.
NOTE:
1. The layout is not to scale and the layout is just an approximate estimate.
2. I have never been past the snooker table so I am unsure what lies beyond that area.
3. Areas maybe listed incorrectly as I am relying on my memory.
4. If the layout looks whack, that's because it is, the room is shaped like a polygon. The club is not rectangular and so the angles that I have drawn maybe out by many degrees.
Please refer to the attachment below for your reference:
If you want the girls to sit and drink with you, normally you have to pay for that. An hour of sitting with you costs the same as an hour in the room. Other than that, you're not expected to spend more than a few minutes with the girl by your table, to check them out, before deciding to pay them for an hour, either in the room, or to hang out. If after a few minutes you don't do that, they'll leave so they can get a customer.Usually the girl will stay with the customer until her mama comes back and won't get away by herself if everything is fine for her. Mama can take a lot of time before coming back, I've experienced 30 minutes or more sometimes.
I would guess if a girl moves away from her customer after he paid her a drink (assuming she drank it and left shortly after), it's either a problem of communication or she was not feeling comfy going with that guy and has nothing to do with the guy not giving clear directions after a few minutes.
Asian Rain
11-26-25, 15:31
My problem is that I need to walk in an open space every other day, or I'll get depressed.Finding "walking" sidewalks anywhere in Jakarta is a task. One solution is to have your shrink prescribe a healthy dose of SSRIs to smooth out your moods. Then the North won't feel so dumpy, at least to you. And you can keep a lot closer to the troughs of Kota like everybody else. Win win. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.
Steve 9696
11-26-25, 17:19
There are definitely decent hotels in the north. My problem is that I need to walk in an open space every other day, or I'll get depressed. And I think there is not a single walkable sidewalk in all of North Jakarta, at least in the part where we guys use to hang out. It is so bad that I usually take a grab for every distance over 500 m, or 300 m if I need to cross a street.Movenpick is just 15 min walk or 5 min ride north of the national monument. My suggestion is stay there (there are also cheaper places a few blocks away) to be within spitting distance of Malio / emporium /1001/ classic and an easy walk or grab to a certainly walkable park in the national monument. Best of both worlds IMO.
I agree, sometimes I find locals just pay for the girl to spend time with them on the table and they would order a few drinks. I would have thought that sometime during the end they would take them to the backroom and do the deed right? Nope, they just pay for table service and leave after they are finished with the drinks.
So in essence a lot of the locals treat it as a cabaret club. I also had asked the mamasan if I could play cards with the girls and she said yes as all I need to do was pay for the time. (I didn't go through with it in the end as my friends bailed out on me).
If you treat is a cabaret, then spending $18 isn't that bad if you put in that kind of perspective.I am also considering this option, but only for time when I need to recharge between shots, the girls are no good for conversation unless you are fluent in bahasa or they know little bit of english. I worry about this approach a little bit though as in other places I have seen girls choose the easier option (rather than having sex) for the same money (its only logical to work less for same amount of money).
Soon you will find that the girl doesn't perform in room at all because she can see her friend earn the same amount of money for not doing anything and she wishes the same or compares herself to the friend and asks for more money in tips for more work that she is doing. It is a catch 22.
That being said I have seen many Asian clientale doing this, ordering fruits, food, drinks on table just for the company.
BTW @werqweq, most of the girls I have been with were also happy with 50 k tip, some were even overjoyed. I went with the standard deed ofc didn't ask for anything extra so the tip was just a freebie, ofc I didn't tip the girls who didn't perform and tried to rush me through the act.
I am also considering this option, but only for time when I need to recharge between shots, the girls are no good for conversation unless you are fluent in bahasa or they know little bit of english. I worry about this approach a little bit though as in other places I have seen girls choose the easier option (rather than having sex) for the same money (its only logical to work less for same amount of money).
Soon you will find that the girl doesn't perform in room at all because she can see her friend earn the same amount of money for not doing anything and she wishes the same or compares herself to the friend and asks for more money in tips for more work that she is doing. It is a catch 22.
That being said I have seen many Asian clientale doing this, ordering fruits, food, drinks on table just for the company.There are a few girls with limited English speaking abilities but in the end we all used google translate, and it was pretty seamless to be honest. I believe some of the girls would rather spend time on the table with a customer than mindlessly bore away on the Sofa. Some of these girls would rather do something else as they aren't allowed to move away from their sofa spot. I feel bad for them at times. I'm not sure what there working shifts are but sometimes I see the same girl from 2 pm to 2 am.
To be honest, the girls seem excited once they get on the table with the customer as they would be happy if you order them a drink and they'll join you for a smoke if your allow them too. A lot of the locals or some other foreign customers that take these girls on the table don't expect much and neither do the girls either. These girls just sit on your lap and mindlessly smoke away.
Steve 9696
11-27-25, 14:44
There are a few girls with limited english speaking abilities but in the end we all used google translate, and it was pretty seamless to be honest. I believe some of the girls would rather spend time on the table with a customer than mindlessly bore away on the Sofa. Some of these girls would rather do something else as they aren't allowed to move away from their sofa spot. I feel bad for them at times. I'm not sure what there working shifts are but sometimes I see the same girl from 2 pm to 2 am.
To be honest, the girls seem excited once they get on the table with the customer as they would be happy if you order them a drink and they'll join you for a smoke if your allow them too. A lot of the locals or some other foreign customers that take these girls on the table don't expect much and neither do the girls either. These girls just sit on your lap and mindlessly smoke away.Yeah I just can't do it! Might be pleasant to hang and $22/ HR is great for that. But when fucking costs same as talking I'm going to choose fucking every single time.
I agree, sometimes I find locals just pay for the girl to spend time with them on the table and they would order a few drinks. I would have thought that sometime during the end they would take them to the backroom and do the deed right? Nope, they just pay for table service and leave after they are finished with the drinks.
So in essence a lot of the locals treat it as a cabaret club. I also had asked the mamasan if I could play cards with the girls and she said yes as all I need to do was pay for the time. (I didn't go through with it in the end as my friends bailed out on me).
If you treat is a cabaret, then spending $18 isn't that bad if you put in that kind of perspective.There is no doubt that we all come here to get our needs met, but I've always enjoyed those few quiet moments of connection beforehand. I'm a touchy-feely, lovey dovey type of guy. I like when she sits close to my lap, rests her hand on my thigh, lets me wrap my arm around her waist. Being up close personal, exchanging a few words and kisses, creates a small sense of intimacy that I genuinely enjoy. It gives me a brief glimpse of a girlfriend experience, and I can feel that she also gets a bit trust in me, I know I will have a great time with her. It doesn't happen everywhere every time, but once I become a familiar face to the mamasan, she will often bring me a girl or two, and gives me a little space, knowing that I won't cop out.
Club Pool 1001: Indonesian 2 million, International 4 million. The lineup is the best I've ever seen in Jakarta. Around 70 women. Far better than the Emporium. 30 minutes at a table + 1 hour in a room. 300,000 including a beer if you don't book anyone. At the end, she shows you the tip slip: 200/300/500/1000, not mandatory! I gave her 200 cash. Final bill upon leaving: 1,963,000.
HolaaaaHiiii
11-27-25, 16:16
n as they all do then she proceeded to give me a really good BBBJ lots of tounge and friction and deep too felt really great after the bad experience I had just had before her.
After about 7 minutes of BBBJ she gets on top and sticks my dick inside herself raw. Her pussy was nice and juicy. We didn't even discuss how much extra I would give her before this happened. She had some really nice big titties and was even lactating. As she rode me I was sucking on her nipples and I got some of her sweet warm milk in my mouth and drank it.
We then switched into missionary and pile driver and I was able to finish up and blew a huge load inside her. It felt so good to release like I had built up tension I was relieving.
After this we both showered again and she washed my dick off with the hot water and liquid soap they have in there. We then toweled off and she gave me more massage this time on my legs and feet for about another 10 minutes and then the land-line phone rang and I guess out time was up.
So I got dressed and she got dressed and she said she wanted to see me again and she gave me her WhatsApp number.
We never discussed how much extra for the bbfscip or massage and I wanted to see if she would take lower than 200 k so I pulled out 3 blues ones and handed her 150 k rupiah. She smiled and said terima kasih and took the money.
-Gabacho.You mentioned the lactating girl gave you her contact. Can you please share (maybe in a dm. I see your dms are blocked.
I have this fetish since 10 years, here's hoping you could help a fellow thirsty monger haha.
Asian Rain
11-27-25, 16:23
There's hoping you could help a fellow thirsty monger haha.Hear hear! A toast to those who claim to RTFF without actually RTFF. I don't know why the quote in that post made me have a flashback vision of Joni Steak. Ugg.
Of value, that quote gives the definitive amount to pay for add-on BBFS. Not a rupiah more. Not a rupiah less. Don't be a too high or too low kinda guy. AR.
HolaaaaHiiii
11-27-25, 17:01
Hear hear! A toast to those who claim to RTFF without actually RTFF. I don't know why the quote in that post made me have a flashback vision of Joni Steak. Ugg.
Of value, that quote gives the definitive amount to pay for add-on BBFS. Not a rupiah more. Not a rupiah less. Don't be a too high or too low kinda guy. AR.
I don't get it lol. What do you mean by RTFF (i know the full form), what's to read here lol - I literally need a contact haha - how does one RTFF for a contact :)
Anyways Peace if I have misunderstood your comment
Club Pool 1001: Indonesian 2 million, International 4 million. The lineup is the best I've ever seen in Jakarta. Around 70 women. Far better than the Emporium. 30 minutes at a table + 1 hour in a room. 300,000 including a beer if you don't book anyone. At the end, she shows you the tip slip: 200/300/500/1000, not mandatory! I gave her 200 cash. Final bill upon leaving: 1,963,000.What do you mean by "Indonesian 2 million, International 4 million"?
There are a few girls with limited english speaking abilities but in the end we all used google translate, and it was pretty seamless to be honest. I believe some of the girls would rather spend time on the table with a customer than mindlessly bore away on the Sofa. Some of these girls would rather do something else as they aren't allowed to move away from their sofa spot. I feel bad for them at times. I'm not sure what there working shifts are but sometimes I see the same girl from 2 pm to 2 am.
To be honest, the girls seem excited once they get on the table with the customer as they would be happy if you order them a drink and they'll join you for a smoke if your allow them too. A lot of the locals or some other foreign customers that take these girls on the table don't expect much and neither do the girls either. These girls just sit on your lap and mindlessly smoke away.I understand your point, I am sure the girls don't mind but the mamas are sales people and unless they get their full amount for entire hour they will not allow their girls to sit with customers even if they are just sitting at the sofas for hours. Maybe a middle ground could be to vibe check with the girl for first few minutes and then either pay for 2 hours with the girl, if you wana go for 2 shots that option is also on the table and if you feel tired or feel like getting intimate without sex you can spend the additional hour on pool tables or just with drinks / food et all. There is also the option of inviting the girl over to hotel if she is really good to you (gives them the additional incentive to be nice).
What do you mean by "Indonesian 2 million, International 4 million"?2 million for Indonesian women and 4 million for international women from countries like China, Vietnam, and maybe Russia. I've seen the international women and I don't think they're worth 4 million.
Indonesian means local girls at 2 mn, international line up is more expensive so 4 mn. These girls are from Philippines Vietnam China Singapore turkey CIS countries like Ukraine Kazakhstan Uzbekistan Russia, Australia, quality is very good.
What do you mean by "Indonesian 2 million, International 4 million"?
Bro, I agree line up is amazing and fab, but service may be hit and miss, plus its too far away from the main center of action. What was your service like.
Club Pool 1001: Indonesian 2 million, International 4 million. The lineup is the best I've ever seen in Jakarta. Around 70 women. Far better than the Emporium. 30 minutes at a table + 1 hour in a room. 300,000 including a beer if you don't book anyone. At the end, she shows you the tip slip: 200/300/500/1000, not mandatory! I gave her 200 cash. Final bill upon leaving: 1,963,000.
What do you mean by "Indonesian 2 million, International 4 million"?So in the 1001 establishment, the local girls (indo girls) would cost 2 million, and the international girls ranging from Russians, Vietnamese and others would cost 4 million for the session.
Usually the girl will stay with the customer until her mama comes back and won't get away by herself if everything is fine for her. Mama can take a lot of time before coming back, I've experienced 30 minutes or more sometimes.
I would guess if a girl moves away from her customer after he paid her a drink (assuming she drank it and left shortly after), it's either a problem of communication or she was not feeling comfy going with that guy and has nothing to do with the guy not giving clear directions after a few minutes.After a few minutes, at most, it's usually obvious to me if I want to go with the girl or not, and if not, I indicate that to the girl. I'd feel bad for the girl to waste her time continuing to hang around at my table after that. I don't want her losing the chance to get another customer and earn some money, just because she hopes I will want to go with her if she continues hanging around. Also it means other mamasans/girls will not come up to me while she's there.
That said, I guess sometimes that tactic does work. I remember one girl when I arrived at T2 very late (around midnight, due to a failed date with a normal girl I think), and the pickings were somewhat slim. This one girl was good company due to her humour and somewhat half-decent english (I speak zero bahasa unfortunately), but she also told me she could see I didn't find her very pretty, me joking around with her notwithstanding. I tried to make some polite jokes about that, but agreed, and said I'd not be taking her to the room, sorry. She stuck around anyway though, and continued to be good company.
After some more minutes I bid my adieu to make another round and see if I could find anyone, but no luck. I ended up going back to that girl and inviting her up from the sofa. She was surprised, but I told her honestly that she seemed to be the most pretty here at the moment, which made her chuckle. Went down to the room and it was one of the few, perhaps only, time I fucked a girl at Classic in the ass.
Hi, can someone recommend an alternate to Seeking website. They deactivated my account and I can't seem to log in again. Looking primarily at Indonesia for short and long term, good quality arrangements, don't want to swipe on tinder ok cupid bumble. Thanks.
Hi, can anyone suggest an alternative to Seeking website for short term and long term arrangements. I am looking purely for Jakarta and other cities in Indonesia and wish to avoid the likes of Tinder OkCupid Bumble, incessant scams and quality is not that good. I can travel or invite them for a trip. Can spend well, thanks.
2 million for Indonesian women and 4 million for international women from countries like China, Vietnam, and maybe Russia. I've seen the international women and I don't think they're worth 4 million.So, I'm confused then because your final bill was less than 2 M.
Apologies if this is a double post (Logged out whilst writing).
My report on Emporium (last month).
I paid for the highest tiered girl for 2 mill (I can't remember if it was 2 or 2. 2) - I didn't request for food or a drink so I don't know if there is one provided or if you'd need to pay another rate...Thank you sir, very valuable contribution. I might just straight take up residence in the Emporium hotel and just go to griya pijat three times a day. Why bother with anything else haha. I don't suppose the grass is any greener in Malio or 1001 judging by the EMP photos on TG.
They said 2 million, but as I said, it was 1,963,000 including one beer. Why go so far? If you're staying at the Holiday Inn & Suites, for example, it's a 6-minute bike ride for $1. The service was exceptionally good; the girls were well-organized and, above all, fit. I was a bit disappointed with my visit to Malio. The decor, especially the room, was old and not particularly appealing. An Indian 1,250 or 1,825—they looked mediocre, like something you'd find at T1 for 700. The club wasn't anything special either. Anyone going there for sex should go to 1001 instead. The international lineup was slightly better than at Pool 1001.
Steve 9696
11-30-25, 12:18
So, I'm confused then because your final bill was less than 2 M.Yeah this was a pleasant surprise. I thought it would be 2 million plus room and fees and stuff. But 2 Million is a quote for the approx total. The itemized bill shows the girl separate from the room and some other fees. And it totals around 2 M.
Thank you sir, very valuable contribution. I might just straight take up residence in the Emporium hotel and just go to griya pijat three times a day. Why bother with anything else haha. I don't suppose the grass is any greener in Malio or 1001 judging by the EMP photos on TG.Thanks for the appreciation!
I have been to Malio once and indeed some of the girls are quite pretty. I guess you could say that you could find more 8's /9's /10's in Malio or 1001 where as you would probably see a only a few of the prettier ones in Emporium. But then again, everyone's taste is different and preference is subjective.
I also think that in Emporium you can ask for the lineup without paying for an entrance fee unlike Malio and 1001 (Someone needs to confirm this for me). I guess you should do this first hand to check if their images have been photoshopped before proceeding.
Otherwise, I believe both Malio and 1001 offer more girls + foreign girls (if that is your thing but at an additional rate). Sometimes Emporium may only have 10/15 girls in their lineup depending on the day (Sunday / Monday) and it could be even less since girls can be prebooked by another client.
That's a good counterpoint, I very well might end up in Jakrta during the slow days like Monday and Tuesday during my short stay, in that case you guys are saying the broader lineup of 1001 and Malio might offer a better pool of choices. Noted.
I guess these two do not run a TG group like the EMP does?
Also I'm going after the local Indonesian girls, the foreigners I want to meet in their respective home countries it's like I'm not going to Indonesia to eat hamburgers or spaghetti, right?
Steve 9696
11-30-25, 16:34
Thanks for the appreciation!
I have been to Malio once and indeed some of the girls are quite pretty. I guess you could say that you could find more 8's /9's /10's in Malio or 1001 where as you would probably see a only a few of the prettier ones in Emporium. But then again, everyone's taste is different and preference is subjective.
I also think that in Emporium you can ask for the lineup without paying for an entrance fee unlike Malio and 1001 (Someone needs to confirm this for me). I guess you should do this first hand to check if their images have been photoshopped before proceeding.
Otherwise, I believe both Malio and 1001 offer more girls + foreign girls (if that is your thing but at an additional rate). Sometimes Emporium may only have 10/15 girls in their lineup depending on the day (Sunday / Monday) and it could be even less since girls can be prebooked by another client.Although days and times varied a little it seemed like def a lot more girls at 1001. Here is what I recall and my notes confirm:
Emporium. Saturday 6 pm. About ten girls.
Malio. Monday 3:30 PM. About ten girls.
1001. Around 7 ish? About 30 girls (Indonesian) and unknown quantity of foreign.
Rooms and general fit and finish at 1001 is best of all. But known for CBJ and indeed my girl would not budge. So big black mark there. I enjoyed the pool lead up time at Emporium more than the choose and fuck at Malio. Beautiful girls at all three.
And of course classic T2 remains my first love. 😜.
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