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Grossman
06-17-09, 11:04
I am happy to share via PM. I don't like posting my favorites to the whole membership though as some asshole will fuck it up for me (I'm talking from experience here).Thanks Lion, I don't have PM, but in any case I pretty much understand where you're coming from. There is certainly potential for idiots to screw up your good thing.

Cheers anyway!

Saint Of Killers
06-18-09, 16:03
Has anyone been to Toukaen-Toukakyo-Shangri-la recently and have any recommendations on ladies? I used to go with Yume or Ruru but I'm interested in trying some other girls. And has anyone tried the other places that are in the same building?

Dumamay
06-23-09, 03:43
I am getting familiar with the scenarios described in the report. What I find is that we just need to be good customers. Enjoy good service and pay. We shall not abuse it (aka following rules, like violence shallnot be accepted, etc)

But increasingly, I see a trend of bitching behaviors in the business in Asia especially north: once they have enough money, they change their way, and indeed cheat more, which means cost more and no penetration, etc.

I have avoided Jp for a long 7 years, although I ignore so many Japanese schoolmates when I was in school. They are nice. And outgoing, super-cute and sexy.

Now tomorrow my first time I will ever enter Tokyo on a 32 hours trip. It is enough. I will hope to score P2P rather than running into trouble with learning the language and touts. Let's do it a better or normal way, raising the hope for a LT relationship that can last whenever it can.

However, if it comes to a bad market in general that can colonize the gaijins by a few stinky ugly pussies, wow, I feel ashame that way. I suggest you guys japan gaijin all buy a weekend ow ticket to China. Expensive, I know. But you can preplan, then once in China, buy a rt ticket to japan. Cheap! Then you can partially manipulate the market in japan by giving less demand.

General McArthur would feel bad if we just have to beg to pay and quietly surrender on all terms that the ugly japanese "hookers" and touts give us.

Truly the law of majority give them the strength if we go alone, this nothing we can do. Hmm.


I've been using this website for two years, especially the tokyo part. Thanks to the report, I could find some gaijin friendly shop and had lots of fun. I think it's my time to contribute now.

At first, I would like to present some few thougths about the fuzoku industry and how as a gaijin, we should behave. These things had been presented over and over but let me remind them.

The fuzoku industry is made for japanese. They don't need our money, they have already enough customers, especially in the best rank shop.

Gaijin doesn't understand the rules, gaijin are carrying deseases, gaijin are rude, gaijin wants to fuck the lady, they don't understand japanese. And so on.

They don't want gaijin! It's too much trouble for them.

In order to have the maximum success rate, I try to follow those rules, rules presented over and over in this website:

1. Dress well and be clean. A suit, clean shoes and a good shower. And sober.

2. Check the website. Understand the different course, options. Do we play in an hotel or a room of the shop?

3. Read, understand and follow the rules. They are usually written in the website. Rules depends on the shop but basically honban is forbidden (except in chineese joint and am) which means no penetration. People who tried to do this, japanese or gaijin, will be in a serious trouble.

4. Be polite. EVEN when you are not sathisfied or rejected by the owner. Always thanks the girl and the tenshou.

3 and 4:

This is very important especially fo other gaijin. If you screw up, gaijin won't be accept in this shop and probably in others as a consequence. So don't be egoiste, it's not because you didn't like it that we have to suffer the consequence. It happens many many times because of some assholes who leeches information, are rudes with the tenshou or the lady, don't follow the rule and that's why people are reluctant to give nice address now. I don't mind that people use the information (I did it) but be fair. It's hard to find good place, it takes time and for me, some courage because I'm always scared to screw up things.

Even when I follow those rules, I'm often rejected, it's life. I'll try another one. Go in the morning or between 2 and 5 in weekdays, it's when the shop is a little bit slow and when the chance to have 1 japanese customer and 1 gaijin at the front desk at the same time is low. Remember they don't want gaijin and they don't want to show that they accet gaijin.

And the last thing, Learn japanese and your success rate will skyrocket. Then if you're not fluent in japanese, and especially like me in reading in japanese, I suggest a very nice plugins for firefox. It's called rikaichan.

Ok. Now I can start.

I came from Tokyo to Osaka yesterday. It's my first time here. I did my shukudai and try to go to different shops near nihonbashi. I was really amazed by all the shop in all those street. I couldn't find my way.

A nice things about Osaka compare to Tokyo is most of the shops have the map in their website. I don't really like to call a shop before I visit, I'm not enough confident. I couldn' find any of the one I picked up because I didn't write any address. A big mistake. So I decided to go to a chineese massage joint I saw when I was on my way. Just near my hotel, there is a street with 3 or 4 different shops, all of them chineese or korean. I picked one by chance. The name is mirei. It was on the 3 or 4 floor and it was a copy of paprika in tokyo. 1man, 1 hour with honban. The tenshou was not surprised at all and told me that one american is coming often. I paid, went to the veary small room and my chineese lady came. Her name was Aki, 26yo. She was not so beautiful but very nice. We chat a little bit and she asked me where I was from, I told her but she didn't know where it was. I was very surprised as it's a very big country in Europe (no more economicaly though). Then I had a kind of bad feeling and I couldn't really appreciate the time although she was a very nice girl (but keep telling it's big it's big)

Here is the link:

http://www.mirei.tv/pc/index.htm

and the map :

http://maps.google.fr/maps?f=q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=%E5%A4%A7%E9%98%AA%E3%80%80%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E6%A9%8B&sll=47.15984,2.988281&sspn=14.553841,28.476562&ie=UTF8&ll=34.664876,135.506342&spn=0.002149,0.003476&z=18&layer=c&cbll=34.663799,135.506144&panoid=h6iA7_cRNlfrV0ZAs0731A&cbp=1,136.93095613153253,,0,5

Can I recommend this shop? I don't know. I don't really like those kind of shop, I'm not at all in honban. I did regret to spend 1man there and regret that I didn't do my shukudai right. After returning to my hotel, I search for information on chineese esute shop. There are everywhere and probably most are gaijin friendly even with a low level of japanese.

some website :

http://asianesthe.jp/minami.htm

http://www.kankokuesute.com/search1/index.php?city=3

I will stay a week in osaka so I will try different shop and report it there.

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Peter Griffin
06-28-09, 02:26
I'm heading to Osaka and Kyoto for a couple of days in July.

I'm searching for:

Any foreigner-friendly bars or clubs to get a drink and chat up some local girls that are into giajin.

Any porno superstore in town where I can stack up on the best JAV has to offer.

I think I'll be staying at the Sheraton near Osaka castle.

Any leads or suggestions from a resident there?

Gaijin Otoko
06-28-09, 22:39
I'm heading to Osaka and Kyoto for a couple of days in July.

I'm searching for:

Any foreigner-friendly bars or clubs to get a drink and chat up some local girls that are into giajin.

Any porno superstore in town where I can stack up on the best JAV has to offer.

I think I'll be staying at the Sheraton near Osaka castle.

Any leads or suggestions from a resident there?

Suggestions:
1. RTFF
2. Buy your JAV outside of the country. It is nearly impossible for a gaijin who is only there for a short time to find the uncensored stuff because it's illegal, and I'm assuming you don't have the language or cultural skills to make the hookups necessary to score "the good stuff."
3. Go online and check out which bars are referenced in Kansai Time Out. Or you can run a search online for "Osaka Nightlife Guide." Those are the gaijin-friendly bars. (Although I can't think of a time I've run across a gaijin-unfriendly bar. I think you mean English-speaking bar. Unless you are worried about stumbling into a yakuza-bar or something like that. The clip joints that rip off foreigners are nearly all in Kabuki-cho. Avoid aggressive African touts like the plague, but then I can't really remember seeing them outside of Kabuki-cho either. Point of clarification - Kabuki-cho is in Tokyo, not Osaka. What I'm trying to say is that places that prey on foreigners seem to be limited to Tokyo.) If you are looking for a bar where J-Girls gather and wait to snag and shag a gaijin-guy, I think you'll be sorely disappointed. It's not like some parts of Thailand or the Philippines. It might have something to do with Japan being the world's second largest economy.
4. Lois seems to be quite freaky, I can't imagine why you would want anything else. This seems more like a Quagmire e-mail.
5. RTFF. You will find that folks here are rather unforgiving of newbies who come in and ask broad questions that have often been answered in detail previously. Just a friendly tip.
6. If you have no Japanese language ability, and no Japanese-speaking friend to guide you, you will find the going difficult. You might wish to consider the Osaka "branch" of Asian Mystique, the most gaijin-friendly P4P option available.
7. Did I already mention RTFF?

Lion
06-29-09, 04:39
I'm heading to Osaka and Kyoto for a couple of days in July.

I'm searching for:

Any foreigner-friendly bars or clubs to get a drink and chat up some local girls that are into giajin.

Any porno superstore in town where I can stack up on the best JAV has to offer.

I think I'll be staying at the Sheraton near Osaka castle.

Any leads or suggestions from a resident there?

RTFF
and since there aren't many posts on Osaka Nampa...

Kansai Time Out, Kansai Scene, Japanzine all list bars and events in Kansai. Pick them up at the Kinokunya bookstore in Umeda Hankyu Station (Osaka), or many bars or bookstores in the area.

This site lists a few of the popular places.
http://www.10best.com/Osaka,Japan/Nightlife/

Ozboy
06-30-09, 07:54
A place called Comterose does outcall.

The women they use all have their faces blurred on the website. Most of them are married, according to the girl I was with.

She was tall, had great legs. No chest to speak of. Very kind and frank. She was okay-looking, but became prettier as we went on. Very helpful, almost explaining to me the exact way to do things. No honban allowed, she said. I got the 70 minute course (pricey, like more than 20,000 yen.) Didn't know what the course would entail. She didn't seem to have hard and fast rules either, just no sex (the website has all sorts of "courses" listed but she sort of ignored all that.) Wasn't into anal, either. But pretty fun.

After about half an hour of me bringing her to the brink, she gave me a BBBJ. The best I have had in my life. Spent a long time down there. Really took pride in her work, it seems. She seemed very relaxed. Then she decides hey, if its me she'll do FS. Wasn't expecting it, didn't push it, had only asked earlier "Dou shimashou ka?" and she had mentioned offhandedly no honban. So now she was saying "If you want to, I can do it with you."

Twist my arm. Great time. She seemed to really enjoy herself. We were done 10 minutes early. Talked a lot about the shop, her past loves, etc. Sweet girl.

Arranged it all in Japanese over the phone. Seemed like a real solid business. Lots of women to choose from. Think it's strictly DH, no HH option. They did want to establish I could communicate in Japanese, though, so if you got no language skills, you may be outa luck.

Goes without sayin': Don't screw this one up. I'M gonna leave you to search for the website. Do a little footwork.

Edit: the FS, was, of course, with a raincoat.

Lion
07-01-09, 03:20
A place called Comterose does outcall.

I got the 70 minute course (pricey, like more than 20,000 yen.) Didn't know what the course would entail. She didn't seem to have hard and fast rules either, just no sex (the website has all sorts of "courses" listed but she sort of ignored all that.) Wasn't into anal, either. But pretty fun.

Goes without sayin': Don't screw this one up. I'M gonna leave you to search for the website. Do a little footwork.

Edit: the FS, was, of course, with a raincoat.

Good report-thanks for adding to the list of successes.
Do you remember if you ordered the Health or Freestyle course?

Ozboy
07-01-09, 04:49
I didn't specify, but they ended up charging me the freestyle. So specify to save that extra 3k I guess.

OldAsiaHand
07-03-09, 06:50
I will be in Osaka and visiting Tobita on Sunday evening, July 5th. Does anybody want to join me? Please PM to make arrangements.

OAH

Furansujinkansai
07-04-09, 12:30
I have benefited plenty from this site, so I feel that it is time that I contribute. This is also a good chance to advertise the two girls of the day, Mimi and Manma. They surely deserve it.

So today, I went for my yearly pilgrimage to Toukaen. But it was closed or no longer exist, I do not know, in any case the sign was not there.

So I tried the Chinese place next door, on the 2nd floor (the building has a shop at every floor, with "Rose" on the 5th), gaijin ok, I asked for 3P, was first told no, then yes, then 27K for 2 hours, then sorry only for 1 hour; we eventually bargained for 1 hour and 20 minutes. Could not chose the girls as first promised, because only two were willing to do a 3P anyway, Mimi and Manma (sp?), luckily no eye sores, although not to the quality of the girls at (ex?) Toukaen. Perhaps a 6 and a 7, middle to late 20s.

I then had one of the best experience ever. Very experienced Mimi was constantly giving orders to novice Manma on how to best please me together, with the mission of making me come as may times as possible in many diverse ways in these 100 minutes. Mimi knows her line of business. Very well. Neither ever said no to anything I asked, including multiple changes of girls and positions and even (to my excellent surprise!) some serious girl-to-girl action, again with Mimi leading the way and Manma submissively into it. I have never had such good service from a Chinese girls, normally trying to minimize everything, these two were on a record breaking mission or something! Went overtime 10 minutes, I had to plea them to stop.

Conclusion: Be nice to Mimi and Manma, you will be very well rewarded!

Ozboy
07-21-09, 09:19
I have another success story. PM me if you speak or read Japanese and I'll give you the details. Unfortunately they don't accept anyone who can't speak, and they prefer ppl who have been around for a while.

Xslikx
07-22-09, 04:04
I have another success story. PM me if you speak or read Japanese and I'll give you the details. Unfortunately they don't accept anyone who can't speak, and they prefer ppl who have been around for a while.

When I lived in Osaka, my experience with DH was pretty good. As long as you speak Japanese they will usually serve you. The problem (and it is much worse in Tokyo) is if/when they find out you are a foreigner they may try to stick you with a fairly questionable girl. If they start telling you the girl you want isn't available, but they have another girl who the are sure you will like, beware.

Homer69
07-25-09, 05:39
I was at Osaka Fats last week. There are enough instructions here in the forum to find it. If you find the YWCA you're within 50 meters of the Kentucky Building. The stairs are rather narrow and steep but I found the place OK. The manager that day was a woman who speaks no English. You definitely need rudimentary Japanese skills here if she's working. She will ask some basic questions like if you understand the rules, where you heard about the shop, etc. I don't think it would be advisable to go there without any Japanese skills. She also said it depends on whether are there any girls available who will service foreigners. She showed me two pictures and I chose the heavier one because her face was cute and if both are overweight, it really doesn't matter how much at that point. We get to the LH and shared the bath, she gave me BBBJ in the bath which was nice and then we went to the bed. She did have rolls of fat around her mid-section so this place is not for the faint of heart. You need to be able to tolerate a fat lady, that's the way it is. I have no problems what that and I'll prefer a fat lady with a good personality over a skinny one with a dead fish attitude. No FS and no AF, just tittie fucking, BBBJ/HJ finish. I'll probably go back and I would even see the same lady. The conversation was really great and she was very curious about where I'm originally from, about my family, etc. We could have just as well been chatting at a coffee shop so it was a pleasant experience. Again, without Japanese skills the experience would probably be pretty terrible, given the amount of weight she's carrying. I think the fact that I treated her like a lady, took an interest in her and ignored her excess girth made her feel more comfortable.

This is from their website:

14.外国人の方で日本語での会話が不自由な方及び当店サービス内容、当禁止事項等がご理解頂けない方のご利用

which I think basically says foreigners are OK if they can understand Japanese.

Anyway, this place is called Osaka Fats for a reason. Don't expect to find anything less.

OldAsiaHand
07-26-09, 05:01
I thought I had posted until I received a PM from Ozboy asking about my visit.

Anyway, my visit was pretty much the same as usual. I arrived around 9:30PM on a Sunday night. I got about a 10% call rate. That said, if I calculated the call rate based on quality of the girls, the rate would be much lower e.g. as the quality goes down the call rate goes up. IMHO, the hottest girls are not interested in gaijin whatsover. The call rate is also higher on the less traveled lanes.

After walking around for about an hour, I decided to try Maki. She was a 6/10 on the lane just next to the small park. When I first went in, the mama said, "condom only". I asked for BBBJ followed by CFS to which the mama asked Maki and she agreed. I took the standard fare at 11,000 and was satisfied as usual. I have never been disappointed with the service in Tobita, albeit the time is short unless you want to pay an extra fortune.

OAH

Lion
07-27-09, 02:30
This is from their website:

14.外国人の方で日本語での会話が不自由な方及び当店サービス内容、当禁止事項等がご理解頂けない方のご利用

which I think basically says foreigners are OK if they can understand Japanese.

Anyway, this place is called Osaka Fats for a reason. Don't expect to find anything less.

Good report, and glad to see OF is back on the OK list.

Seems some foreign guy or two caused a problem, and for a while we were banned. Now they have done the common sense thing which is to announce language ability is necessary. Of course it would be better if they announced it in English so the non-speakers or readers would get the hint.

Fats actually tells skinny girls not to apply on their hiring page. Their girls generally offer better GFE than most busy pink salons. low quality soaps or Chinese este. DH is more hit and miss.

Homer69
07-27-09, 15:20
I've been there quite a few times in the past few years. I'm not a frequent visitor because I live in the Tokyo area and I don't think they remember me, although I do have a membership card. I think the main thing is you can't go up there and show up clueless without being able to say anything or answer any rudimentary questions. It also depends on who the tencho is that day. I'm pretty sure the lady will turn you away if you can't acknowledge the rules.


Good report, and glad to see OF is back on the OK list.

Seems some foreign guy or two caused a problem, and for a while we were banned. Now they have done the common sense thing which is to announce language ability is necessary. Of course it would be better if they announced it in English so the non-speakers or readers would get the hint.

Fats actually tells skinny girls not to apply on their hiring page. Their girls generally offer better GFE than most busy pink salons. low quality soaps or Chinese este. DH is more hit and miss.

Zcorps
07-27-09, 17:23
While we're on the subject of Osaka Fats, do you guys mind clarifying the building a bit. I get there, and I only see a building marked Kentucky 2. Also, I've also gone up to the 4th floor in the building, but I don't see any signs. The place in fact looks like an apartment building from the inside. Is that the right one?

Asian Travels
07-28-09, 07:38
While we're on the subject of Osaka Fats, do you guys mind clarifying the building a bit. I get there, and I only see a building marked Kentucky 2. Also, I've also gone up to the 4th floor in the building, but I don't see any signs. The place in fact looks like an apartment building from the inside. Is that the right one?

Yes.

Check this if you are not sure:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=785655&postcount=596

Homer69
07-28-09, 15:46
If it says Kentucky and you see a coffee shop next door then you are at the correct place. I don't think there is a sign although the door has always been open when I go there and there is a very small desk with a curtain. The stairs are a ***** to go down. I don't know how ladies go down those stairs with high heels. The LHs they use are very close, within a few minutes walking distance.


While we're on the subject of Osaka Fats, do you guys mind clarifying the building a bit. I get there, and I only see a building marked Kentucky 2. Also, I've also gone up to the 4th floor in the building, but I don't see any signs. The place in fact looks like an apartment building from the inside. Is that the right one?

Member #3439
07-30-09, 10:24
Tobita Shinchi:

Since details on the monger are important to Tobita Reports, here goes:

Me. Early 30's, white guy, I don't speak Japanese, dressed casually in a button up shirt and jeans. I try not to look too perverted, but walk with the confidence of someone who has been there before and can be dealt with.

When we talk about call rates, keep in mind that Japanese guys don't get 100% call rates either. Maybe about 75%. Only the sharp dressed and sober J-guys get a 100% call rate.

Session 1: I visited Monday afternoon two weeks ago at about 4 pm and got about a 15% call rate in the good sections and 100% in the bad sections. I ended up with an 8.5 that gave me CBJ for a short time, DATY and then FS. I took the 15 minute set for 11k. She didn't seem to enjoy being with gaijin, other than the DATY part, and was very tight, so maybe that was why. She couldn't fit it in, so I flipped her to mish and worked in as much as I could before ending in CBJ within the minute after the 'buzzer.'

Session 2: I visited Tuesday of this week about 11 PM. It was very busy. I got a 30% call rate in the good streets this time, and of course 100% in the bad ones. This was my best call rate in 4 trips. I had to work quickly before the last train leaving DM station, so I skipped by usual 2 pass walkthrough and settled on an 8 who smiled at me nicely. This time I ordered a 20 minute set for 16k. She started with slurpy loud BBBJ and then hopped on for FS. Started on top, to get in in, then then I flipped her to mish and bottomed out on her cervix or whatever it is, and gave it to her hard without any complaints from her. She was hurting, so we assumed the doggy for a few, then then I tried for BBBJ finish, but she wouldn't. I ended up flipping her back to mish and finishing deep, with a minute left before the buzzer. As I was putting my shoes on at the entrance, a younger J-guy was already negotiating with Mama-san for my girls next session. Maybe he liked the gaijin sloppy seconds or something? When I got my shoes on and turned around, they were going up the stairs together.

So endeth the Tobita segment of my trip. This trip was similiar to the one that I belatedly reported a few months ago, from 2 sessions in January. The first girl of each trip wants to cover everything during a 15 minute session. Then I buy 5-10 more minutes from the second girl and I get BBBJ. On the last trip I bought a 30 minute session and even got a CIM finish. I love Tobita because I always get FS without asking, I get to pick and see what I am getting (no bait and switch), and because of the ambience of the places. The tatami mats, short tables for serving you candies and coke, Hello, kitty fuck blankets and pillows, cute barely legal 100% Japanese girls, traditional Japanese rooms, etc. It's the Japan that J-girl lovers dream of. Which keeps me coming back despite the high price/min and usually covered service.

So on to the bar scene, for pickup:

I tried pickup at Shinsaibashi this week on Tuesday night at various bars from 12-5 am after I got back from Tobita. If you are a nampa guy, this is the place and time to do it. Stay nearby in a hotel in Umeda, wear a suit (I didn't and was under dressed), and come to Shinsaibashi after the last subway train leaves. There a lot of girls killing time in bars waiting for the 5 AM train. About 3 AM I was getting a lot of hellos from drunken J-girls trying to find their way back to the cab lineup on the main drag, but I lack the Japanese skills for getting them to the hotel. Also, there are a lot of drunken well dressed couples who might be approached for a 3-way if you speak good Japanese and dress in a suit. You'll also get a (stress) few, offers for massagee if you walk down the streets that have the hostess bars [ 'girl bars' and 'members clubs'.]

I got a few email addresses from early twenties English speaking J-girls in Canopy, for use on the next trip back. They were still sober and just waiting all night there for the 5 AM train. I didn't manage to get anything back to the room at all, but wasn't extremely motivated having just come from Tobita.

As a bonus, I can throw in a little info on Kyoto. The town is not dead to gaijin as people suggest. I got a few offers for massagee when walking between Ponchocho and the Westi and hotel. Sorry for the lack of detail, but just letting people know.

I can say that Ponchocho and Kyamachi streets, and the meeting area below and beside the bridge across the nearby river, would be a good place for Nampa on the weekend.

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Zcorps
08-03-09, 07:22
So, I went to check out Osaka fats. The building itself is labeled Kentucky II. Not just Kentucky. That threw me off for the longest time. I went to the 4th floor and while there was no door left ajar, I did notice a sign in Japanese that said something like "18 and older... blah blah blah." as well as a buzzer that said customers should ring the buzzer. I rang the buzzer and they let me inside.

The lady at the counter greeted me, asked me a few basic questions to confirm I spoke Japanese and understood the rules. After that she gave me a large set of pictures to choose from. I'd like to note, that I was allowed to pick every girl there, I wasn't limited to girls who were ok with Gaijin. She even asked me to look through the stack of pictures of girls who weren't working that day

In any case, they were having a special at the time, so I took a 90 minute course for 16,000. THere was also a one time 1000 yen member's fee. So a total of 17,000.

The girl arrived, and we headed for the love hotel. On the way there, we passed a vending machine and I was offered a drink. We arrived at the love hotel, and we headed inside. Nice and spacious. The girl was very talkative, and and made decent conversation, but wasn't particularly interesting.

We took a shower. THe service started out nice. A bbbj, then we went for some titty fucking. I asked for some FS, and got it. It was covered of course. Anyways, all in all a good service. I won't name the girl in case she gets in trouble for providing FS. Although in the interest of not being a *******, she is one of the girls that provides AF.

Captain Yonoi
08-04-09, 03:06
Hey guys,

Long time/first time. Had a few questions about tobita. Could any members who frequent this area tell me a little about the LE presence in tobita? I've read the reports and some directions mentioned walking past a koban. This will be my first time doing the whole "window shopping" thing. I will go alone maybe mid afternoon. Is it safe for a white guy to cruise these streets on foot? Anyone ever had problems with LE in Tobita?

Lion
08-04-09, 07:34
Hey guys,

Long time/first time. Had a few questions about tobita. Could any members who frequent this area tell me a little about the LE presence in tobita? I've read the reports and some directions mentioned walking past a koban. This will be my first time doing the whole "window shopping" thing. I will go alone maybe mid afternoon. Is it safe for a white guy to cruise these streets on foot? Anyone ever had problems with LE in Tobita?

Stick to alleyways, wear sunglasses and a hat, and if anyone shouts 5-0 run like hell...LOL

This is Japan. You can ask the cops in the koban for directions and you wouldn't get busted. The only physical danger is if you fall down the stairs after getting laid (they can be pretty steep).

Zcorps
08-08-09, 12:52
This isn't exactly a report, but I figure many of us can benefit from this information. So I went to Umeda and headed for Toganocho (area around Freajia). They have a new Deai cafe I wanted to check out, but on the way there I decided to head into a free information booth. I've dropped into those places before, and the best answer they've given me was a kyrabakura club. However, I figured going in once more couldn't hurt. This time though, the guy offered me "Honban" at a taiwanese place. I politely refused since I know those taiwanese girls are iffy at best.

So I asked if he could do anything else for me. He said that foreigners are no good at the other places Umeda. I told him that I've been to a few places around here that would service me as a foreigner, and I just wanted an introduction to a new place. He decided to call up a shop or two in the area to see if they would let a Japanese speaking foreigner in. To his surprise the first shop he called said they would accept me. He brought me to a place in a neighboring building (I forgot the shop name, sorry) and I paid 16,000 for an hour. I got to pick a girl.

I met the girl and she didn't resemble the picture too much, but she was cute and young. We were talking and the girl said if I wanted something besides typical service I should ask. I then negotiated FS for an addiational 5000. Well I got FS, and was on my way out.

Moral of they story, ask touts to actually check if a store will actually refuse you.

Lion
08-10-09, 03:28
This isn't exactly a report, but I figure many of us can benefit from this information. So I went to Umeda and headed for Toganocho (area around Freajia). They have a new Deai cafe I wanted to check out, but on the way there I decided to head into a free information booth. I've dropped into those places before, and the best answer they've given me was a kyrabakura club. However, I figured going in once more couldn't hurt. This time though, the guy offered me "Honban" at a taiwanese place. I politely refused since I know those taiwanese girls are iffy at best.

So I asked if he could do anything else for me. He said that foreigners are no good at the other places Umeda. I told him that I've been to a few places around here that would service me as a foreigner, and I just wanted an introduction to a new place. He decided to call up a shop or two in the area to see if they would let a Japanese speaking foreigner in. To his surprise the first shop he called said they would accept me. He brought me to a place in a neighboring building (I forgot the shop name, sorry) and I paid 16,000 for an hour. I got to pick a girl.

I met the girl and she didn't resemble the picture too much, but she was cute and young. We were talking and the girl said if I wanted something besides typical service I should ask. I then negotiated FS for an addiational 5000. Well I got FS, and was on my way out.

Moral of they story, ask touts to actually check if a store will actually refuse you.

Good report, and it benefit us all if others were as adventurous and trying new approaches.

I think someone wandered into the HH across from Feijia a while back, and though it looked like a typical gaijin dame place he was well serviced by a new gal. However young, fresh hotties tend to cost 50%-100% more than Frejia women.

How much luck have you had at deai clubs? I never had the time/patience for those myself, but have been curious.

Zcorps
08-10-09, 08:35
How much luck have you had at deai clubs? I never had the time/patience for those myself, but have been curious.

That day I was actually on my way there to try things out, but then I got sidetracked by my little adventure. If and when I get some free time I'll head there again and let you guys know how it went.

In case you guys are wondering, the Deai Cafe is near Freajia, search in the same alley and you'll find it.

Echi Gaijin
08-10-09, 09:45
I have a Japanese lady friend in Osaka who is looking for some advise on how to market herself she has been working off and on for sometime now. I posted a thread in the classifieds but, I'm posting here to see if you guys can recommend a good agency in Osaka for her to work at. She does not want to see Japanese men. She is a single house wife so she only wants to do this part time.

Any advise would be appreciated! Let me know if its cool to post her contact info in this forum? Not sure of the rules.Anybody know if this lady's still working or has changed her contact details?

Jaycam
08-14-09, 01:47
Anybody know if this lady's still working or has changed her contact details?Yup she is working part time still, not sure where to post her email. Tried here but i think it got deleted

Member #3439
08-14-09, 04:06
Hey guys,

Long time/first time. Had a few questions about tobita. Could any members who frequent this area tell me a little about the LE presence in tobita? I've read the reports and some directions mentioned walking past a koban. This will be my first time doing the whole "window shopping" thing. I will go alone maybe mid afternoon. Is it safe for a white guy to cruise these streets on foot? Anyone ever had problems with LE in Tobita?Capt,

There is a Koban station adjacent to Tobita. This is a police sanctioned RLD and not run by the Yaks. It is a safe place to monger, both from a physical and legal standpoint. The only danger is to your feelings. Because there are some hard core xenophobes there, but nevermind them.

Just mind your manners and smile at all the mamasan's, even if they don't give you douzo's or if they laugh at you. This is my favorite place to monger in Japan, please keep it nice for the rest of us white guys.

PP

Xslikx
08-14-09, 07:38
There is a Koban station adjacent to Tobita. This is a police sanctioned RLD and not run by the Yaks.
PP

Actually, it's well know that Tobita is run by the Yaks, or at least is so in principle. Hence, the "business association's" agreement to exclude gaijin. Now, of course, that doesn't mean that it isn't sanctioned by the police (this is South Osaka after all) or that it isn't safe. It's perfectly safe and the police just look the other way. Moreover, the "business association's" control on the gaijin ban is also fairly loose.

Have fun!

Zcorps
08-14-09, 10:33
Actually, it's well know that Tobita is run by the Yaks, or at least is so in principle. Hence, the "business association's" agreement to exclude gaijin.

Care to elaborate on this point? I was under the impression that it was completely the girl's choice whether or not they wanted to service Gaijin. I have a near 100% call rate in Tobita. The biggest obstacles I face is the random mama-san who wants to make sure my dick isn't big enough to hurt the girl or something. Even in those cases though the final decision is the girl's.

Xslikx
08-14-09, 16:55
Care to elaborate on this point? I was under the impression that it was completely the girl's choice whether or not they wanted to service Gaijin. I have a near 100% call rate in Tobita. The biggest obstacles I face is the random mama-san who wants to make sure my dick isn't big enough to hurt the girl or something. Even in those cases though the final decision is the girl's.

Yes, in practice, I think that is the only issue. But in a couple of conversations with mama-sans who turned me down this was their stated reason. I have also had a few cases where the girl was keen but the mama-san was dead set against it.

What about those two gyaru girls with big fake tits and crazy make-up on the north side of the eastern most leg of the main street? Do they call you in too? I want to tap that sooo bad, but every time they shoot me down.

Naniwan
08-15-09, 06:19
Well, first for me in on this forum after lurking for a good 3/4 months. This was my first experience at using any services in Japan so here goes.

I decided to hit Freajia up as it's been well documented as being 'gaijin safe' by many reports on the forums. It's no so hard to find. Just look for the D&N (Doctor & Nurses) building with the red sign and go to the left of that. Take the elevator to the 4th floor, come out the elevator turn left and right at the end on the left is the door to Freajia.

The guy behind the desk didn't bat an eyelid at a caucasian customer but did ask me for my members card! I told him I didn't have one and said it was my first time after confirming foreign customers were OK. He said "Is your Japanese OK? " to which I replied "Yes". He did a quick run over the prices and told me it would be 1000 yen to choose from the panel. I asked to see the pictures and asked which girls were available immediately. At that point 2 were available. I went for the one with the largest breasts.

After a quick wait in the waiting area (the other Japanese dudes in there were a little uncomfortable with a foreigner in there, I train a lot and (I guess) look quite itimidating; even though I'm not at all). I got ushered to the lift where my girl was waiting. She was much older than her picture suggested but this isn't why we go to Freajia I guess. In fact, I will always choose the older lady since the conversation tends to be better. She was right into though and very talkative. Rather than answering all her questions and had her try and guess to help me relax more than anything and to help break the ice. She guessed, as always, that I would be American but I'm not. I guess it's the safe choice

The hotel was really close but small, but it was adequate. This was also my first Love Hotel experience so it's my guess it was small compared to others. Before we'd even showered she started a BBBJ while the bath was running. She had some big breasts and they felt great with the lotion. After a quick rub down she told me to get on the bed while she finished up the shower.

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Naniwan
08-15-09, 06:34
We started with some DFK while I rubbed her pussy and gave her some internal stimuation while she gave me a HJ. She started to get really get into it and moved to BBBJ. She was pretty good and stared me in the eyes the whole she was down. She asked if I'd like Sumata (in fact she asked if I knew what it was and I replied yes) which felt OK but she was a little heavy err handed? She hopped off and some BBBJ and then she asked if I wanted to put a condom on. "it's a secret. You can't tell OK? ". I asked her if "honban" was really OK and she said "it's a secret again". It sounds like a similar girl to a previous poster.

On with the condom and she moved to go for CG but I had her lay on her back and went for mish. She came almost instantly and I continued to plow her through 2 more orgasms. She asked me to take her from behind and it didn't take me long before she and I came. She apologised for enjoying herself and said that she forgot she was working. I get a kick out of the other girl enjoying it so the pleasure was all mine.

I wasn't sure how much time we had left so we just sat on the bed and talked some. She's into wrestling and MMA and stuff so we really hit it off. I asked her if she'd had much foreign custom and she told me "not many, but previously 2 american guys". She told me they were softer than me (sorry, I hate bragging on this forum since it doesn't really have a place), but the point is that she must have given them honban too. I guess she digs foreigners.

And thanks to everyone on this forum. If anyone needs pictures or directions to places in that area, I work extremely close and deffo have to give some back to the forum.

I'm thinking about going back to Freajia tomorrow to try and different girl so I'll let you know.

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Captain Yonoi
08-16-09, 05:14
Just got back from my first trip ever to osaka. Wanted to share a few things. Went to Matsushima on the first night and was called in on the very first street I walked down. Girl was about a 7. Very friendly, she put up with my just below basic nihongo. FS with plenty of foreplay.

Day 2 I made it to Tobita. Mid afternoon. Was called in on the first street I walked down. Mama was very friendly but the girl was only a 6 at best. I was hoping her skill/enthusiasm would make up for the looks but she was an absolute dud. No effort at all. Figured I'd try tobita again at night. Around 9pm, saw some real beauties and got a chance to cruise several streets but got no calls. I was sober, smiling and well dressed. Frustrated, I jumped on the train and went to Matsushima where I was called into a shop on the first street. Again the girl was about a 7 but lots of energy and very friendly.

So this dude had a better time at Matsushima. Thanks so much to those who posted directions. Both areas were easy to find. Hope everyone does better than me at Tobita.

Naniwan
08-16-09, 06:59
Back from Freajia again. This mongering lark is far too much fun. Have to avoid the slippery slope since it really adds up.

This time I wanted a certain girl and called up to book, unfortunately she was booked all day (she's always high in the rankings), so I chose another girl who would be available a few hours later. I chose the 75 minute course this time which means we'd have to use a larger room. The tencho explained they have deals for the 60 min courses but have to use larger rooms for the longer courses. No problems. He asked me which options I'd like since any course over 60 mins carrys 1 very option for costume and the other options. I said I'd leave the costume to her and chose pansuto yaburi. As it turned out she was running a bit late and forgot both I think though I didn't ask.

I met her at the lift and she was pretty damn cute for an older woman (I dig older chicks), quite short, really nice smile and again made good chat. She was a little bit tubby but had some nice firm breasts.

Off to the hotel which was a little bit bigger than the one I used yesterday. Sat on the bed and had a good chat while the bath was running then off to shower. Have to love the "isojin" stuff you wash your mouth out with, she took a mouthful and sucked me off for a bit too. Nice! Good wash down with some play with her behind me jacking me off and rubbing her breasts on my back. She got quite embarassed at the compliments I threw her way though she was genuienly cute.

Back to the bed and she asked me what I'd like. I never really know what to say so I told her I wanted to her "zeme" it up. She started with BBBJ but didn't spend too long on it. It was quite a slurpy and she spat out what was in her mouth once she'd finished. Not so nice. She oiled me up good and started some sumata straight away. This time it felt great. She wasn't so much into kissing and would push me away sometimes if I tried to kiss her ears and neck. Not sure if it was just her being passive but I stopped. She asked me to get on top and trapped my dick between her legs while it rubbed on her pussy. This felt amazing and I almost blew my load right there. She did say "it's ok to come." which is somewhat of a turn off.

Back to laying down with more HJ and I asked her if I could go down on her. She said it was fun. I spent quite a long time down there and she told me to stop because she was going to come, and ignored her and carried on until she came.

Back with me on my back with more DFK and HJ while I fingered here and it was getting close to the time (I think). Once again, out came the raincoat a lot of lube and she jumped on for the ride! Bonus. She rode me until she came when we switched to mish until we both came together just after the first buzzer went off.

This is 2 in 2 for FS at Freajia! They both said the same thing funnily enough. That I was a match for them (? ) and that I had a 'strong' dick (where her exact words today).

I'm going to ride my luck, and go back next Sunday again.

Member #3439
08-16-09, 22:22
Just got back from my first trip ever to osaka. Wanted to share a few things. Went to Matsushima on the first night and was called in on the very first street I walked down. Girl was about a 7. Very friendly, she put up with my just below basic nihongo. FS with plenty of foreplay.

Day 2 I made it to Tobita. Mid afternoon. Was called in on the first street I walked down. Mama was very friendly but the girl was only a 6 at best. I was hoping her skill/enthusiasm would make up for the looks but she was an absolute dud. No effort at all. Figured I'd try tobita again at night. Around 9pm, saw some real beauties and got a chance to cruise several streets but got no calls. I was sober, smiling and well dressed. Frustrated, I jumped on the train and went to Matsushima where I was called into a shop on the first street. Again the girl was about a 7 but lots of energy and very friendly.

So this dude had a better time at Matsushima. Thanks so much to those who posted directions. Both areas were easy to find. Hope everyone does better than me at Tobita.Captain,

What were the course rates at Matsushima? I have heard that they are lower than those of Tobita. 21k/30 and 16k/20.

As for Tobita, in my experience there is a 50/50 chance that you didn't miss anything. I have gotten FS from 4 girls there. 1 was a great fuck, 1 was absolutely *outstanding* DFK, FS, BBBJ, CIM (on par with my favorite Brasileiras), and 2 of them were really not into it at all...eyes closed and somewhere else, like they were pretending that this gaijin was not fucking them.

For that disinterest, I give it to them as deep as possible to jostle some sign of life out of them..so I get some repayment in kawaii little squeals when it hits 'terminal depth' and I keep pushing for their bruise. A monger has to get some kicks/value for 21k, so it behooves them to show some interest.

Member #3439
08-16-09, 22:52
Actually, it's well know that Tobita is run by the Yaks, or at least is so in principle. Hence, the "business association's" agreement to exclude gaijin. Now, of course, that doesn't mean that it isn't sanctioned by the police (this is South Osaka after all) or that it isn't safe. It's perfectly safe and the police just look the other way. Moreover, the "business association's" control on the gaijin ban is also fairly loose.

Have fun!Yeah, 'police sanctioned' means a lot of different things. My version means that there is almost no chance of being busted by LE for activities there.

As for the Yaks and LE, yes I am sure that business and gov't go hand-in-hand here just like in every other place in the world. I've heard rumors of girls being *made* to work at Tobita to pay debts and so forth. Maybe the couple of girls who accepted me and then gave me bad FS fall into this category..quite a shame if this is the case, quite.

Zcorps
08-17-09, 03:40
This is 2 in 2 for FS at Freajia! They both said the same thing funnily enough. That I was a match for them (? ) and that I had a 'strong' dick (where her exact words today).

I'm going to ride my luck, and go back next Sunday again.

I've been to Freajia about 5 or 6 times, and there has not been a single time where I didn't get FS. I usually didn't have to do more than ask. There was one time though that I did ask for FS, and was refused initially, however 5 minutes later, she said "Ok, let's go for it." I haven't been with every girl there, but I'm of the opinion that most of them will give you FS if you're nice enough.

Zcorps
08-17-09, 17:06
So I've been mining delivery places lately, I personally enjoy them. It's funny though how many hotel healths will refuse Gaijin, but how many delivery services will readily accept them. To me that means that they're more worried about Japanese customers seeing us foreigners than anything really.

Anyways, I'm not posting this to talk about why you should call up for delivery, but I'm here to advise against a specific store. Gigolo http://gigolo.jp/ The bottom line is that pictures are fake. If you have experience with delivery healths, you could have figured that out by checking out the pictures. They have no common theme through,no common background etc.

Here is the actual report:

It was still the middle of Tsuyu, and while I was walking around Osaka it started raining... hard... Not wanting to get soaked I ducked inside the love hotel. Since I was in the love hotel, I decided I might as well get a room and call up a delivery place, I unfortunately didn't have a number for a deli health on hand, so I got on my cell phone and looked up a random one. Since the phones are a bit on the slow side compared to a computer, I settled for the first one whose prices looked reasonable. They had some discount going, 80 minutes for 10,000 yen. Quite a bargain so I called them up and waited.

The doorbell goes off and I answer it, it's the driver, normally this is a bad sign, but since it was a good deal for delivery, I figure I'd take a risk. I pay him the money and he heads back to his car. The doorbell rings a second time, in comes an older lady who looks like she has a bad back. She must be in her late 50s early 60s. Having already paid, I grunted a bit, and let her in.

We hit the shower and proceeded to play. It consisted of a bbbj and sumata in various different positions. To her credit she was good. a lot better than most girls I've ever met in Japan. I accidentally propositioned her for FS (It really was an accident, my hand went for the counter, and it ended up on top of the condom) but she said that FS wasn't going to happen. No real loss to be honest.

In any case, I forgot her name, but there is not a single girl on the website that could resemble her. Plus they don;t even list women in their 30's (I think) much less their 50s. Even though she was really good at what she did I find fake pictures unacceptable, especially if they;re going to send girls who are far above the advertised age.

Captain Yonoi
08-17-09, 23:38
Puta-

I went to 2 different shops in Matsushima. One certainly was a little cheaper. I got 30 minutes for 15, 000. Got a quick shower too which is always cool. But, the strange thing was that there was no mama in the shop that night. When I strolled up to this particular shop, there was one girl at the "counter". I dealt directly with her. No mama in sight. This could have been the reason I got in. Some of the shops I walked past seemed like the girls were looking at me with interest but the MAMAS politely gave me the "gomen nasai". Anyway the 2 shops that let me in were on the same street. It's the same street the Rainbow Hotel is on.

Naniwan
08-18-09, 12:00
I've been to Freajia about 5 or 6 times, and there has not been a single time where I didn't get FS. I usually didn't have to do more than ask. There was one time though that I did ask for FS, and was refused initially, however 5 minutes later, she said "Ok, let's go for it." I haven't been with every girl there, but I'm of the opinion that most of them will give you FS if you're nice enough.Yeah I have absolutely no misconceptions about getting preferential treatment. Though both times I didn't actually ask at all. I may actually start asking early on since it's really want I'd prefer. Apologies for my reports too, they're written like a 5 year old ;)

I'd be interested to know which girls, though I don't think you can PM without a reg for the site?

Azure Knight
08-19-09, 15:41
Yup she is working part time still, not sure where to post her email. Tried here but i think it got deleted
I've tried to contact her several times but my mails are always ignored. Is she picky about who she sees or something?

Azure Knight
08-19-09, 15:52
Yes, in practice, I think that is the only issue. But in a couple of conversations with mama-sans who turned me down this was their stated reason. I have also had a few cases where the girl was keen but the mama-san was dead set against it.

What about those two gyaru girls with big fake tits and crazy make-up on the north side of the eastern most leg of the main street? Do they call you in too? I want to tap that sooo bad, but every time they shoot me down.
From my, ahem, exhaustive research at Tobita, from what I can tell the final decision is the girl's, but the standing rule is no foreigners. There are a handful of girls who do prefer/will service foreigners, and there are some who wouldn't mind if you look nice enough, or its a slow day otherwise.

Speaking of, Tomo who I used to rave about is actually back at Tobita. She works mostly day shifts, but I think you can catch her in the evenings on the weekend. I've seen her a few times, and she's just as spicy as ever.

Also, I have another regular there now, and when I first saw her it was a little flat and mechanical. I came back though because she is smoking hot - and over time, she warmed up to me plenty, so now its 100% GFE. If you have the time/money, sometimes it pays to invest in one girl and then enjoy the returns.

Azure Knight
08-19-09, 15:54
This may be barking up the wrong tree, but do any of you gentlemen know of a resource for hooking up with western/non-Asian girls? I don't think there are a whole lot of shops offering foreign service (the few that do, the girls are Columbian), so I guess I'm looking for nampa resources.

Zcorps
08-20-09, 11:14
What about those two gyaru girls with big fake tits and crazy make-up on the north side of the eastern most leg of the main street? Do they call you in too? I want to tap that sooo bad, but every time they shoot me down.


I wasn't sure who you were talking about, so I went there a couple of times since your post. I'm pretty sure I saw those girls and I was called by their respective mama-sans. I tried out one of them and I was serviced no questions asked. When I asked her about whether she normally services foreigners, she skillfully avoided the question.

Anyways, her service was lacking FYI, it started out with a CBJ, then we moved on to FS. First position was missionary and when I asked her to get on top she complained about being tired, then without saying a word she moved to k9. It was an ok experience.

If you're looking for Gyaru. There's another one who works in the 2nd or 3rd row towards the middle. I'm not sure if she normally takes other foreigners, but I would recommend her, she has an amazingly tight vagina. Normally I can barely finish off even with the 25 minute option, but with this girl it must have been no more than 5 minutes.


I'd be interested to know which girls, though I don't think you can PM without a reg for the site?

From you description, me and you were with the 2nd girl.

Naniwan
08-29-09, 07:30
I decided to hit Osaka Fats today.

Thanks to Z-Corps (I think) for pointing out you need to hit the buzzer. The door was actually open and I noticed the VISA logo etc on the door. I got a nice "douzo" and stepped inside.

Those are some crazy stairs, I've no idea how the girls get up and down those tbh. I had a quick conversation with the Tencho to prove I spoke Japanese (who is also a rather large lady as it happens) and was given a quick run down of this months offers. Membership was free and there were having a special with 1000 Yen off the 60 minute course (it's all I had time for).

I knew which girl I wanted (in fact from 3) but they were booked out all day. Shame. Of the 2 available I chose Hikaru. I remember her being listed as AF so was hoping to get some FS action. That wasn't the case unfortunately. As we came down the stairs there were 2 girls coming up, they were VERY quick to hide their faces (I guess so I couldn't work out who they were from the site).

We hit it off really from the start. She was extremely funny, and very talkative even though she's only 24 (the site listed her as 21 though).

I was really surprised at the quality of the hotel and was able to choose any room from those available. I chose the Disney one without even noticing. It's pretty odd getting off with 2 of Snow White's Dwarves hugging a massive white tree. There was some scary ass rabbit thing staring me down too. Hikaru pointed out it's freaky eyes.

Off to the shower, and had a quick rub down. Her breasts felt. As advertised, she was pretty robust girl with a good few rolls around the middle. No worries though.

Back to the bed and she asked me what I like. I said "of course I like honban" and just got an "ecchi! " reply. Oh well. She wasn't too keen on kissing and seemed actually quite embarassed about her body. I asked her for 69 which she allowed but was REALLY shy about it. Bit more play, paizuri and finished with BBBJ (Which she was real good at).

Not bad at all considering the hotel is included in the price. The hotel is pretty close to the shop, down one of the side streets in Douyama.

I will be visiting again since I have membership now and can book beforehand. Kinda interested in Yayoi.

Z-Corps: I've also visited Freajia twice more and got shot down for FS the 3rd time. She out right said "no". Everything else with her was pretty average too as she was kinda 'donkusai'. Oh well.

4th time the girl was great so I didn't ask. I'm going to see her again tomorrow and will see how it goes.

I have to say though. I think it's only a matter of time before I start going to Tobita with g'teed FS. I do like the extra time you get with Hotel Health but FS is what I really want.

I've started calling round other places but I think most have been covered. It's probably easier to list the ones I got rejected from; Production EF, Any of the Yannekocha ones, Club Real, etc.

http://www.umedahimitu.net/main.html this place is OK. But have a look at their prices and purei naiyou since they're a little bit different.

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Saint Of Killers
09-04-09, 15:29
From my, ahem, exhaustive research at Tobita, from what I can tell the final decision is the girl's, but the standing rule is no foreigners. There are a handful of girls who do prefer/will service foreigners, and there are some who wouldn't mind if you look nice enough, or its a slow day otherwise.

Speaking of, Tomo who I used to rave about is actually back at Tobita. She works mostly day shifts, but I think you can catch her in the evenings on the weekend. I've seen her a few times, and she's just as spicy as ever.

Also, I have another regular there now, and when I first saw her it was a little flat and mechanical. I came back though because she is smoking hot - and over time, she warmed up to me plenty, so now its 100% GFE. If you have the time/money, sometimes it pays to invest in one girl and then enjoy the returns.Do you remember the store that Tomo works at?

I am free this weekend so I may go and see if I can catch her.

Naniwan
09-05-09, 02:46
Do you remember the store that Tomo works at?

I am free this weekend so I may go and see if I can catch her.IIRC it was called 実里

Gearmen
09-10-09, 17:24
Hi,

I red many post about the situation in Osaka but to be honest I didn understand very well, do you think there is any possibility for an european white men that dosnt speak japanese to find a girl or an escort to met.

I'll stop one nite in Osaka soon and I would try a japanese girl.

Hope you will help me to find out.

Gear

Xslikx
09-15-09, 14:02
Hi,

I red many post about the situation in Osaka but to be honest I didn understand very well, do you think there is any possibility for an european white men that dosnt speak japanese to find a girl or an escort to met.

I'll stop one nite in Osaka soon and I would try a japanese girl.

Hope you will help me to find out.

Gear

Go to Tobita. Search the forum.

God I miss that place. When I first went to Osaka, I didn't speak a word of Japanese, and I had no idea what was going on, but I found Tobita and I screwed some hot young J-girls.

Even now that I can speak enough Japanese to pick up hot young J-girls and screw them for free, I would still spend some money in Tobita. Tokyo has nothing to compare.

Gearmen
09-16-09, 14:39
Thank you for the info, but unfortunately I'll stop just for the night in Nikko Hotel in the airport so I think will be more handfull find an escort.

Gear

Gaijin Otoko
09-17-09, 01:36
Thank you for the info, but unfortunately I'll stop just for the night in Nikko Hotel in the airport so I think will be more handfull find an escort.

Gear

Use Google to search for "Asian Mystique." I believe they still have girls in Osaka, but only a few, so reserve early. Assuming that the girl meets your tastes, you should be satisfied with Asian Mystique, which is a firm that is designed specifically to handle people like yourself.

Bareta
09-19-09, 13:48
Was staying in the Hotel Vista Grande in the middle of Soemoncho the other Thursday, near Namba. This is right in the entertainment disctrict (Gaijin unfriendly).
Strolling round the corner from the hotel about 1am I was approached by a Chinese girl for a massage which I quite fancied for 3K.

No other approaches that evening and wasn't really looking. I was actually just about to head in for the night, the girl said they probably thought I didn't understand Japanese.. (my Japanese was streets ahead of this girl).

Up to the 4th floor of a nondesript building nearby, strip down and receive a perfunctory massage for 30mins, no shop name no signs or anything; curtain partitions and pink lighting, but not another soul around.

Then come the end of the massage, she offers to call her mate - sex for 20K which frankly coming from Tokyo I just laughed at, having not seen the goods and really just wanting a hand job.

Got her down to 10K by constant refusal, which was spurred on by the thought of some hideous old hag showing up. But for 10K and promises of a young hotty, I gave in.

She made some calls and against all my expectations along comes 'Kaori', Chinese chick and actually a real fox; a good 7/8 mid to late 20's, smooth shapely body and a cute face who immediately got naked. Even spoke some English.

DFK, lots of rubbingCovered BJ, various positions, very responsive though not exactly GFE.

So an unexpectedly good evening was had against my expectations having read the forum, would repeat.

Next time, I will try some of the Chinese Esute places around Namba.

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Goo Jun Pyo
09-23-09, 11:38
Whats a good time to go to Tobita? I strolled through there once around 3 or 4pm and saw a cute girl sitting inside at the front entrance of one of the houses and she nodded and said 'irasshaimse'. My Japanese is decent for conversation and such so I think I could have talked to her.

Should I have gone in? I have never done this before but its something I wanna try. A guys gotta do something with their life once right? What would I do if I just nodded in agreement? Do I act dumb and ask or let them lead the way?

I know it sounds like I'm retarded and such but this is sooo new yet exciting for me. In fact, I live about 1 station away from Tobita so I kinda want to try. Do girls come out to pick guys at 4pm? Is 5pm ok?

Goo Jun Pyo
09-23-09, 11:49
Hi,

I'm new to this. Is it okay to go to Tobita at around 4pm or so and expect something? I went there last week (no action) and came across a few houses with their entrance open. One of the girls (who was very cute btw) was in the front sitting down, nodded, and said welcome (in japanese of course). I'm from Korea but my Japanese is decent and I can converse with people. I just nodded and left because I didn't know what to do.

Should I have walked in? I didn't want to act stupid (because I knew what it was for) but what should a new guy do in this case? I wanted to try Tobita and I'm asking you guys because I'm new to this and a guys have to try various things in their life, right?

Should I go at 4 or 5pm again and give it another go? Wouldn't it usually be girls coming out to invite guys? I never saw any girls walking around during that period but that one house with the girl that invited had the lights and all ready and stuff. She did say 'irasshaimase. Can an Asian guy just go in?

Your help would be appreciated and I apologize for not posting a real report. I will post one once I have success.

Philm61
09-23-09, 17:47
Hi gentlemen,

I'll be in Osaka for a few days beginning of October, ALONE!, and it's out of question that I come back in Paris without having had something like that:

http://www.tnaflix.com/view_video.php?viewkey=91d5b4ce3bf24a1c5939

I want the mat, the lotion and the Jgirl devoted to my satisfaction!

I RTFF, and could only find references to "normal brothels", Tobita and other places discussed here dont seem to provide this kind of service.

Money is not an issue, this is going to be my first time in Japan (ALONE), there is no pice for a came true fantasy!

No need to mention that I'm a total Gaijin (white, 6ft, green eyes, blond hair!) with rigourously no japanese skills or whatsoever.

Thanks or your reply, there will be a report... if there is something to report!

Member #3439
09-24-09, 02:39
Hi,

I'm new to this. Is it okay to go to Tobita at around 4pm or so and expect something? I went there last week (no action) and came across a few houses with their entrance open. One of the girls (who was very cute btw) was in the front sitting down, nodded, and said welcome (in japanese of course). I'm from Korea but my Japanese is decent and I can converse with people. I just nodded and left because I didn't know what to do.

Should I have walked in? I didn't want to act stupid (because I knew what it was for) but what should a new guy do in this case? I wanted to try Tobita and I'm asking you guys because I'm new to this and a guys have to try various things in their life, right?

Should I go at 4 or 5pm again and give it another go? Wouldn't it usually be girls coming out to invite guys? I never saw any girls walking around during that period but that one house with the girl that invited had the lights and all ready and stuff. She did say 'irasshaimase. Can an Asian guy just go in?

Your help would be appreciated and I apologize for not posting a real report. I will post one once I have success.Tobita should already be 75% up and running by 4 pm. Maybe you didn't hit the main streets?

Here is how it works:

A mamasan sits in front and she is the one who welcomes you, usually with a "dozou! " The girl sits in the back and looks pretty. I've never seen the girls walk around outside the shops. I'm wondering if maybe you were on the 'old' street where mama and the girl are both about the same age.

If you get a douzo from mama, look to see if the girl is smiling. If not, she doesn't really want to fuck you and you should find a different girl. If you have a douzo and the girl is smiling, walk in, change into slippers at the step, and follow the girl upstairs. Pricing is fairly standard from shop-shop. The girl will show you a biz card with the pricing hand written on the back, you pick your time, pay her, and she goes to get a snack tray. While she is away, you get naked in the room and prepare for fun. She will return with a tray containing snacks and a coca cola. Eat a piece of candy, drink a sip of coke, then get on the tatami mat and action starts with BJ, 50% do BBBJ, 50% do covered. All do covered FS vaginally, with varying levels of vigor. You might be able to get analfuck if you speak Japanese well enough and have the right girl. 25% do CIM finish, and the rest want you to finish somewhere other than their tonsils. When you are done, she will leave alone in the room and you get dressed during this time. Then she comes back and escorts you downstairs.

With regard to being Korean, I think Kansai residents hold all gaijin in equal disdain. I'm a white guy who gets a 15-30% douzo rate, so you should have the same call rate depending on time of day, age, and mode of dress.

Now, all this being said. Look back to my last Kansai post, the part called Session 2 910813. I ended up with a case of crabs and I'm 98% certain it's from that 20 minutes of fun. And she was an ultra-clean looking young lady. But as mentioned in my post, we were doing some deep fucking and grinding. From my perspective and experience you have a 1 in 4 chance of getting crabs at Tobita. Keep in mind, I'm a true hobbyist and not a fearmonger. A couple days prior to that session, I was naively posting on the Tokyo thread telling guys that Jgirls are so safe. Smiting them for talking about the risk of BBBJ at a certain cheap pink salon. Saying stuff to the effect of 'on the Rio thread, we fuck girls that go bareback for sport, and nobody has a problem. Jgirls are nothing in comparison.'. This might be true if Japanese water trade girls would have the common decency to shave their natural bushes and be more hygienic. After all, they do fuck strange men for a living. So I jinxed myself with that little comment about J-girlsand got my first and hopefully last STI.

Lion
09-24-09, 09:44
Hi gentlemen,

I'll be in Osaka for a few days beginning of October, ALONE!, and it's out of question that I come back in Paris without having had something like that:

http://www.tnaflix.com/view_video.php?viewkey=91d5b4ce3bf24a1c5939

I want the mat, the lotion and the Jgirl devoted to my satisfaction!

I RTFF, and could only find references to "normal brothels", Tobita and other places discussed here dont seem to provide this kind of service.

Money is not an issue, this is going to be my first time in Japan (ALONE), there is no pice for a came true fantasy!

No need to mention that I'm a total Gaijin (white, 6ft, green eyes, blond hair!) with rigourously no japanese skills or whatsoever.

Thanks or your reply, there will be a report... if there is something to report!

I'll be in Kansai in October-PM me and perhaps I might be around to take you somewhere.

Azure Knight
09-24-09, 18:32
I believe shops open around 12 - I know of a few that do, and one of my favorite girls actually works the day shift.

Your odds will be much better if you go during the non-peak times. These times are anything that's not Friday or Saturday night, anytime around payday (end of the month?), or anytime around a holiday. Daytime if you can swing it is much better than nighttime.

However, if you are of Asian descent and speak decent enough Japanese, you should get good call rates. Just don't do anything to tip off that you aren't Japanese and you should be fine.

Baka Guy
09-26-09, 00:00
This may be barking up the wrong tree, but do any of you gentlemen know of a resource for hooking up with western/non-Asian girls? I don't think there are a whole lot of shops offering foreign service (the few that do, the girls are Columbian), so I guess I'm looking for nampa resources.

Amuse
http://www.amuse-osaka.com/top/index.html

Real
http://www.real-net.tv/

Amuse is a hotel health with many Colombians posing as Italians, French, and anything else the marketers think that is sexier than Colombian(I think Colombian is just fine). The word on the street is that the photos are extremely outdated and the measurements are are damn lies. Don't worry, I I have better news, the service is usually far below the Nipponese standard and to get FS, the ladies quote an extra 20,000 (though men haggled and got it down to as low as as 3k).

Real is a delivery health. I've been looking for reports about the establishment but I'm a bit out of luck.

This information is based on reports on

http://kansai.eyes.tv

It is based on mostly Nihonjin so being a foreigner might change things. As they say, YMMV.

Hope this helps.

Zcorps
09-26-09, 21:02
http://www.opai.jp/index.html

Just thought I'd share this. It's a Delivery health that specializes in large breasts. The pictures are real and they accept foreigners that speak Japanese. They have to check with the girl as to whether a foreigner is fine. They're a bit pricey though.

I had a go with Momo, she was very skillful. Standard BBBJ to Sumata. She's a hard worker. When I asked for FS though, she declined. I asked a second time, again declined. I stopped there. I finished up with a BBBJ and had a short talk with her while we cleaned up. Great if you're not looking for FS. You might be able to get FS from the other girls though, but you're going to have to try for yourself.

Goo Jun Pyo
09-29-09, 12:43
Oh I see. Gotcha!

Gonna give it a shot this Friday. Wish me luck :)


Tobita should already be 75% up and running by 4 pm. Maybe you didn't hit the main streets?

Here is how it works:

A mamasan sits in front and she is the one who welcomes you, usually with a "dozou! " The girl sits in the back and looks pretty. I've never seen the girls walk around outside the shops. I'm wondering if maybe you were on the 'old' street where mama and the girl are both about the same age.

If you get a douzo from mama, look to see if the girl is smiling. If not, she doesn't really want to fuck you and you should find a different girl. If you have a douzo and the girl is smiling, walk in, change into slippers at the step, and follow the girl upstairs. Pricing is fairly standard from shop-shop. The girl will show you a biz card with the pricing hand written on the back, you pick your time, pay her, and she goes to get a snack tray. While she is away, you get naked in the room and prepare for fun. She will return with a tray containing snacks and a coca cola. Eat a piece of candy, drink a sip of coke, then get on the tatami mat and action starts with BJ, 50% do BBBJ, 50% do covered. All do covered FS vaginally, with varying levels of vigor. You might be able to get analfuck if you speak Japanese well enough and have the right girl. 25% do CIM finish, and the rest want you to finish somewhere other than their tonsils. When you are done, she will leave alone in the room and you get dressed during this time. Then she comes back and escorts you downstairs.

With regard to being Korean, I think Kansai residents hold all gaijin in equal disdain. I'm a white guy who gets a 15-30% douzo rate, so you should have the same call rate depending on time of day, age, and mode of dress.

Now, all this being said. Look back to my last Kansai post, the part called Session 2 910813. I ended up with a case of crabs and I'm 98% certain it's from that 20 minutes of fun. And she was an ultra-clean looking young lady. But as mentioned in my post, we were doing some deep fucking and grinding. From my perspective and experience you have a 1 in 4 chance of getting crabs at Tobita. Keep in mind, I'm a true hobbyist and not a fearmonger. A couple days prior to that session, I was naively posting on the Tokyo thread telling guys that Jgirls are so safe. Smiting them for talking about the risk of BBBJ at a certain cheap pink salon. Saying stuff to the effect of 'on the Rio thread, we fuck girls that go bareback for sport, and nobody has a problem. Jgirls are nothing in comparison.'. This might be true if Japanese water trade girls would have the common decency to shave their natural bushes and be more hygienic. After all, they do fuck strange men for a living. So I jinxed myself with that little comment about J-girlsand got my first and hopefully last STI.

Goo Jun Pyo
09-30-09, 00:32
http://www.opai.jp/index.html

Just thought I'd share this. It's a Delivery health that specializes in large breasts. The pictures are real and they accept foreigners that speak Japanese. They have to check with the girl as to whether a foreigner is fine. They're a bit pricey though.

I had a go with Momo, she was very skillful. Standard BBBJ to Sumata. She's a hard worker. When I asked for FS though, she declined. I asked a second time, again declined. I stopped there. I finished up with a BBBJ and had a short talk with her while we cleaned up. Great if you're not looking for FS. You might be able to get FS from the other girls though, but you're going to have to try for yourself.Did you try the online request form?

Dumb question but is it safe to have a deliheru girl go ones own apartment? Or am I better off at an LH? Reason I'm asking is I have my (well rent) an apartment and I hear the girls have drivers that take them to places.

Suppose I should use an LH, would i have to go to LH first, then make the request? Whats the best way of doing this? Any tips or sites?

Xslikx
09-30-09, 17:33
Dumb question but is it safe to have a deliheru girl go ones own apartment? Or am I better off at an LH? Reason I'm asking is I have my (well rent) an apartment and I hear the girls have drivers that take them to places.


I'm not really sure what the issue is, but I have deli girls over to my place, here in Tokyo and before in Osaka, with no problem. Yes, of course, the agency uses drivers. A couple of times the drivers have come up after to make change.

Ozboy
10-01-09, 10:27
Did you try the online request form?

Dumb question but is it safe to have a deliheru girl go ones own apartment? Or am I better off at an LH? Reason I'm asking is I have my (well rent) an apartment and I hear the girls have drivers that take them to places.

Suppose I should use an LH, would i have to go to LH first, then make the request? Whats the best way of doing this? Any tips or sites?

The online form is only after they know you. You have to sort it out via phone the first time, and they seemed to want to be sure you know Japanese and understand your way around. They also check with the girl.

Otherwise, they were okay with gaijin a few months ago.

Goo Jun Pyo
10-01-09, 12:00
The online form is only after they know you. You have to sort it out via phone the first time, and they seemed to want to be sure you know Japanese and understand your way around. They also check with the girl.

Otherwise, they were okay with gaijin a few months ago.I always had the impression that deliheru provided FS, no? Or is that assumpation bad? I read here that some of the posters don't get it while some do. Is it the girl and gaijin-phobia factor?

Or is FS always prohibited with deliheru?

Ozboy
10-02-09, 04:54
YMMV. LIke everywhere some girls might go for it and some not.

But that shop, like all of them, says NO FS. Letter of the law. But AF is on the course menu.

Short answer is you probably have to sort it out with the girl if shes up for "AF."

IMO or my experience, FS is a pleasant surprise but not always guaranteed with DH.

Lion
10-02-09, 07:12
I always had the impression that deliheru provided FS, no? Or is that assumpation bad? I read here that some of the posters don't get it while some do. Is it the girl and gaijin-phobia factor?

Or is FS always prohibited with deliheru?

KDH will always include FS.

Regular DH may or may not. Possibly free, more likely an extra charge of 5-10,000. I met a DH girl a couple times who charges an extra 10,000, which isn't too bad since the basic 80min course is just 13,000. So 23,000 for over an hour of playtime-much better than Tobita. Course you may be just as happy with 2-3 BBBJs in that time as well...

She said about half her customers want FS, and that some, but not all girls where she works offer it.

Goo Jun Pyo
10-02-09, 13:32
KDH will always include FS.

Regular DH may or may not. Possibly free, more likely an extra charge of 5-10,000. I met a DH girl a couple times who charges an extra 10,000, which isn't too bad since the basic 80min course is just 13,000. So 23,000 for over an hour of playtime-much better than Tobita. Course you may be just as happy with 2-3 BBBJs in that time as well...

She said about half her customers want FS, and that some, but not all girls where she works offer it.What is KDH?

Goo Jun Pyo
10-02-09, 14:29
Okay so I decided to try DH today and I'll write up my report here.

I gave that ikenai okusan a shot since I've read here that they never refuse gaijin (though the girl said she would never have known I wasn't Japanese).

It was around noonish and I decided to give them a shot. I placed a request using their online form. THe majority of the pictures were blurred at the face which kinda made choosing difficult. Looking at measurements and the pictures, I decided on Manami. She has that slender look and cute looking face (albeit blurred but it's my visual imagination/ fill in the blank) and her favorite type was AV-type things. I requested for her at 1:15pm. Time goes by and I tried to put in another request, thinking maybe the first time they didn't receive it. This time, I ask for 2:15pm. 2:15pm came and went without a sign so I was tempting just give up and go to Tobita and try my luck there. At the same time, today was pouring and I didn't want to go out if I didn't have to. As I lay on my bed just napping, my cell rings at 2:25pm and its the company calling saying Manami is booked all day and unfortunately won't be able to do me today. I wasn't too worried about that (I only tried to picture what she would look like minus the blur so it really was just a gamble anyways) as my only concern was them getting back to me. I asked to the guy on the phone "dou shyou?" meaning what now or what should we do. He said based on what I submitted, if my selection was not available, I would like someone that is slender, young (20-30 years of age), and cute. I said yes. The guy suggested a girl named Rei. I asked if its possible to go preview some pictures online before going ahead. He said yes and told me to check while he waits. I checked and looked at her measurements. She has a small rack but her waist is small (which is a plus) so I said sure. I confirmed my address and part 1 was complete. He said in about 20 minutes, she should be there.

5 minutes later, I get a call from the guy saying she won't be there till 3:20pm and apologized for that. I said no problem and he said ok and apologized again.

3:15pm and I get a call from the driver saying he is here. I said ok. 2 minutes later, Rei is at my apartment door, takes a look and smiles and walks in. She was dressed in a very short miniskirt and a white blazer jacket. Very OL-ish, yet sexy at the same time. We introduce each other and I told her I'm not Japanese. She said she heard but she doesn't mind. I just kept staring at her body as it was quite nice (keep in mind she is still clothed).

We walk to my room and discuss the plans. I chose the 50 minute course with polaroid option (why? I have no idea right now :P). She calls her driver or the company and tells them the details. She tells me its 18000yen. I asked isn't it 16000yen, because the website said so. She broke it down saying the extra 2000yen was because I selected a girl (which in actuality, I didn't really have a direct say--more like I agreed with what the guy recommended). I handed over the money and she said let's shower. I didn't really want to (kinda lazy and I already did before I requested the girl) and I explained why. She said ok and I showed her the shower room. She asked where to put the clothes and I told her to just change right outside it. She said ok. While she did that, I removed my jeans and left my boxers and t-shirt on. I watched as she stripped and she looked at me and giggled. I went to grab her tits right there. They were pretty firm but her nipples were a little weird. Inverted? I dunno how to explain. We did a DFK before she went in.

I waited at my bed as she comes over. All this time, she never counted my 50 minutes. She said I should be naked (haha) and I said "you're right!" so I removed my clothes. Her strengths were kissing and I think the other word was licking. We started with DFK and she was really good. I can tell she didn't want to stop. As we continued, I moved my hand down to her pussy and started playing her clit. She started moaning (at times, I think she was faking but whatever) and then I moved my fingers inside her. She went wild and started screaming (I was worried neighbors could hear us, haha). I wasnt able to get her to cum but my hand was pretty wet. She was giving me a HJ while commenting how big I was compared to Japanese. I was happy, of course and thanked her for that compliment. She then went down and gave me BBBJ and was very good feeling. Seems pretty experienced. I ask for 69 and she said of course. Her pussy was clean and pink. Very wet. I went down on her and she kept moaning while continuing BBBJ. IT was awesome feeling. I couldn't help myself so I asked if I can put it inside her. She said 'dame' and said she was not allowed to. I said ok and suggested sumata. She said ok and she did that. I almost cummed during the sumata grinding she did. She varied it up and was great at it. When I was about to cum, I told her to go back to 69 (cuz I didn't want to end it right now) and we did. After that, more BBBJ where I just watched her. I asked her to try deep throat but she had no idea what it was (which to me was strange considering their occupation), so I explained it in Japanese saying its to stick the whole thing inside the mouth. She did it (looked like she initially gagged a bit) and then continued for a bit. She then changed back to BBBJ and going for the balls. Finally, I came in her mouth and she said it was great and I put a lot in her. I told her the same that she was wonderful.

Because I had the polaroid option, we got to take 4 pictures. I took her front, up close of her pussy, her ass/pussy view, and one where I put my dick (no condom) a bit inside her vagina to look like we were doing it. She said that picture was a little too ecchi and laughed. We talked for a bit and some more DFK. I played with her pussy some more and then after that, she said she wanted to shower with me. I said the tub is too small but she said thats ok and she wanted to wash me.

We made out while showering. She kept stroking my dick while we washed each other. She asked how old I was and I told her to guess. She said 24 but I told her I was 28 (which I am) and then I asked her. She said she was 32. She said she does guys younger than her so she is okay with it. I just laugh (though at the same time, a little disappointed it wasn't the 20-30 year old girl I requested for).

We exited the shower. Dried ourselves and she gave me her business card and made out some more. I looked at my clock and noticed she was at my place for at least an hour since entering. Her driver had to call her cell telling her is she ready. She said she will finish up soon and be down there. We made out some more before she left but before that...I snuck my hand down her pussy once more to play with it. She said "it feels good and lets do it next time".

We kissed and then she left. What an experience! This was my first time using Fuzoku for sex and stuff so it was totally new. I was a little disappointed by the fact we didn't have sex nor was she the age I had requested, but what she provided me was top notch. Her name was Rei, if you want to know and she works everyday 9am-5pm.

Girl review:
Face: Okay. If she was younger, her face would have been a beauty.
Body: Slender with firm boobs. Her tits were on the small side (site says she is C-cup) but felt great. I managed to get her nipples to pop up hard. Her waist was small but she has that woman gut (kinda like a small belly that all girls have as they get older unless they work out). Her legs were long and thighs were firm, not fat, which is a good thing.
Pussy tasted great...if youre into that sort of thing. She gets very wet and easily too.

From this experience...

Positive: she stayed longer than the 50 minutes. was willing to do anything other than sex (at least for now, Im assuming, since it was our first meeting). when I mean anything, literally ANYTHING. I didn't pay for anus iicking and she occasionally dipped down there, gave me a look and asked if thats ok (which of course it is haha). Great sumata and crazily good feeling BBBJ.

Negatives: she smokes so i can taste it when we DFK. it bothered me a bit but I don't mind a whole lot. the company lied to me that the girl would be 20-30 years old but she was 32 years old. She didn't look old, but still. An untrained eye would have past her as 29-30 years old.

Overall, great experience. If you are into girls that are 30+ years old, give her a shot. She is great and I have to say this again, her pussy tastes great!

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Goo Jun Pyo
10-05-09, 09:50
I decided to use my Japanese and call up a DH again, but this time, I specifically chose one myself meaning I didn't come across a review here. To protect the identity of the people and the company involved, I will call them Club CV.

I rang them up and asked is it okay for a korean to use their service and they said it depends. I told them I'm Korean american and they said sure. Because I didn't want to pay for something I'm not sure if I'm being set up on, I chose the cheapest course (45mins for 12-13k). I do not get the option to choose the girl (though I almost could have; some other guy blurted to the receptionist that 45min course doesn't entail such). Well, I said as long as the photos on the website are true, then dare de mo ii. The site had girls from 18-24. They said it is and the girl will arrive in an hour if thats ok. Gave them my contact and location.

An hour later, I don't get a call but a knock on my door. Its the girl (who I will call 'M'). She asked is she in the right home because she was supposed to meet a korean. I said yea. She was a little suprised (as was I. She was tiny but freaking hot as hell. Gyaru-kei type but her skin was white). She said I look too Japanese so she couldn't tell. I laughed and let her in.

We discussed the rate. Initially, I had decided on 45 mins but she was too hot to pass up so I went with 60min course. Paid her and went to shower together. She had small tits (a Japanese B-cup which is small). While showering, I asked the question about gaijin: whats her/companies opinion and how receptive. She said caucasian gaijin was zettai dame (not at all = no can do). She said people frown upon them, especially the young DH girls. Probably due to fear of diseases, smell and a caucasians sense of entitlement, she thinks. I think that for the last part, she means the caucasians always think that J-girls are easy but really, they are not, and that such gaijins usually set themselves up for a world of hurt with that expectation. Furthermore, she thinks that caucasians think they can come to Japan and have sex with any J-girl because they think J-girls dig them. But they rarely do. I, too, notice that whenever you see a caucasian with a J-girl. I'm sorry, but its usually the not-so-pretty ones. Sames goes for black guys, she said. I said why am I ok since I'm gaijin. She said I look too Japanese to worry and generally, the girls don't have a problem with Chinese and Korean as long as they are clean and proper; not to be racist but another analogy is not someone dressed in a Mao suit (mainland Chinese/ North korean) or otakuppoi (Starcraft obsessed South Koreans). I laughed at that that and she asked why did I ask. I told her I hear many gaijins get refused and she said that thats just usually the caucasians and for the said reason. However, she said it appears older woman (mid to late 30s and older) don't seem to care. But I guess by that stage, they shouldn't hahaha.

We talked a bit more while drying up. She said I looked young, even though my age is a lot older (28 versus 23, hehe). She was 19/20 years old. Though the site said she's 18. We laughed and she said companies do that sometimes to entice people. We laughed some more and headed to bed.

Hopped on and first thing she asks is what should we do. I just began DFK but she stopped and said lets honban. I'm like what? ! ? ! (in a positive sense. I was shocked that the girl would suggest it). I asked if its ok and she said yea. Just don't tell the company or anyone that works for the company. I said yarashii hahaha. She just laughed. DATY first and she was so into it, moaning and breathing quite heavily. Switched up to te-man. Got her wet but couldn't make her cum. She switched over to BBBJ and was very eager for FS. Even I had to slow her down hahaha. She laughed. Started missionary and her pussy was super tight (she was a tiny girl after all). Switch over to cowgirl. Tried back but it was difficult as she was tiny and I'm tall (181cm). Decided missionary again and then finished with tegoki.

After that, showered and. Took pictures! She said don't post them (which I won't here) as pictures are supposed to cost but she didn't mind so long as its between her and I. I also got her keitai email. Talked some more about life and about appearance (how I'm oni-kei, gyaruo-like, in appearance; how shes cute and shit). She was dumped recently (not sure over what but I think I can guess) by her bf. I told her I broke up half a year ago. She said its sad eh? I didn't know to take her serious or not but I answerd 'yea, its rough. Oh well, lets play again next time *wink*' and she said 'of course'. I'm starting to like her, hehe.

End of review.

Review of girl:
Face = A+. Super cute and very nice complexion.
Body = A+. Tiny tits are offset by tight body. Im not into big boobs anyways. Her legs were really nice, long (for her small height), and really smooth.
Sex = A++!!!

Not to be a negative nancy here but what shes telling me seems kinda believable. THe majority of my gaijin caucasian friends think that J-girls are easy and believe they can pick up anyone they choose. Whether 100% real or not, these types of stereotypes damage your chances.

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Ozboy
10-06-09, 04:15
Sounds fun.

Not quite sure why a WG would care whether a guy (white black or whatever) thinks she's easy or not. Then refuse him as a customer based on that?

Could be just me mate but her reasoning sounds a bit dodgy. Its a business transaction, not a loving relationship. Sounds like garden variety racism to me. No big deal, though, I just prefer when folks are up front about it.

Why not post up the name of the place?

Member #3439
10-06-09, 04:43
Not to be a negative nancy here but what shes telling me seems kinda believable. THe majority of my gaijin caucasian friends think that J-girls are easy and believe they can pick up anyone they choose. Whether 100% real or not, these types of stereotypes damage your chances.It's the English teacher stereotype that ruins it. They think every white man must be an English teacher. The non-pro J-girls always ask me if I am one. Cautiously. When I tell them 'no' and my actual profession, they become more interested and break out of their shell. I'd say that if a man has a decent paying job, and a couple of spare nights to spend on the bar scene, it would be easy to make pretty J-friends with benefits in Osaka.

Thanks for the great detailed reports.

Lion
10-06-09, 05:10
Sounds fun.

Not quite sure why a WG would care whether a guy (white black or whatever) thinks she's easy or not. Then refuse him as a customer based on that?

Could be just me mate but her reasoning sounds a bit dodgy. Its a business transaction, not a loving relationship. Sounds like garden variety racism to me. No big deal, though, I just prefer when folks are up front about it.

Why not post up the name of the place?

I suspect a lot of DH customers are "can't find a woman/my wife doesn't put out" types, and the DH girls are surprised foreign men are in that situation too.

The racism is usually base on ignorance, but occasionally a bad experience as well (foreign guy demanding FS would be that). Some shops have a no gaijin policy, but if you can speak enough Japanese you may get the girl to your door, and most likely she will do you anyway since she wants to get paid.

I agree that you should post the name-no need to "protect" them, since they won't serve non-Japanese speaking customers.

Tokyo Nampa King
10-06-09, 08:25
Goo Jun Pyo,

If you arent gonna tell us the name of the company, or post "pics" which you brag about, whats the point of posting this?

I mean you typed a ton, and reading it was nice and all but its completely useless.

Ozboy
10-07-09, 00:49
Goo Jun Pyo,

If you arent gonna tell us the name of the company, or post "pics" which you brag about, whats the point of posting this?

I mean you typed a ton, and reading it was nice and all but its completely useless.

Exactly. With a few unnecessary jabs thrown in for humor.

Lion
10-07-09, 01:26
, I specifically chose one myself meaning I didn't come across a review here. To protect the identity of the people and the company involved, I will call them Club CV.


The purpose of this board is to provide info on getting sex in Japan. Although some report places without revealing the names, in those cases the poster generally provides pictures, and is willing to share the details of the place via PM.

There absolutely no reason to protect the company-they are in the businesses and it is legal. As for the girl who provided FS-that is your choice on whether to reveal her name or not. But remember, she does it to make money. By "protecting" her you are in fact denying her the chance to work.

Telling us the name of the company will help caucasians avoid wasting their time calling and help Asian mongers find it. You are not the only person of Asian decent on this board.

Traveler X
10-07-09, 06:45
The racism is usually base on ignorance, but occasionally a bad experience as well (foreign guy demanding FS would be that). Some shops have a no gaijin policy, but if you can speak enough Japanese you may get the girl to your door, and most likely she will do you anyway since she wants to get paid.
I can attest there are a few formerly gaijin friendly venues that decided to start refusing gaijin after several of them broke the rules. Big rules, not little ones. Taking pictures of strippers, trying FS when it's BJ only, assault, etc..

In any case, most of the time it's a matter of Japanese ability. When I couldn't speak Japanese, I was rejected from 90% of shops. Speaking perfect Japanese (grammatically, but with an accent) I've never been rejected. There are some places that will ask me to pay 10% more, most notably soaplands. I never go into them, so it doesn't matter.

I'm Asian, so it has nothing to do with white/asian either. BTW, this is so true: http://karatethejapaneseway.com/photos/charisma_man_01.jpg

Azure Knight
10-10-09, 03:04
I’ve met with WG who tell me they prefer foreigners. We actually treat them like human beings and also make an effort for them to enjoy the time as well, as opposed to Japanese guys who just blow in, do the deed, and blow out. So, YMMV.

Regarding the “racism”, from what I can tell its not even really a personal thing. As most of you know, the industry is fairly out in the open here despite it technically being illegal. They have a fragile relationship with the police/lawmakers in that if they don’t bring attention to themselves, the authorities will just look the other way.

The problem with us foreigners is that we draw attention automatically. Can’t be helped, the population here is 99% Japanese. Maybe one or two would be OK, but if a bunch of foreigners started to frequent a shop, this would be very attention-bringing, and the authorities would have to act. Your 20,000 yen isn’t worth the risk of getting the business closed down.

Then of course there’s the language barrier. They don’t expect you to understand how the system works, and they don’t think they can explain it to (even if you show some level of Japanese understanding). Many girls also feel uncomfortable trying to work with a guy they can’t communicate with. And if there’s a problem they’ll be no way to resolve it. And this is an absolute worst-case scenario, but if there’s some sort of big incident and it makes international news…do you think Japan’s overseas friends would also be willing to look the other way?

As I understand it, these are the primary reasons why foreigners are usually turned away. After that, then factor in your racism - we’re too big for the girls, we play too rough, we’re riddled with STD’s, take your pick.

This doesn’t mean its hopeless for us. Its still a business, they still want your money. You just have to show them that taking your money is safe and won’t lead to the aforementioned problems. Japanese ability helps a LOT, but sometimes isn’t even necessary - I saw a guy once navigate Tobita with a 60% or so call rate, without speaking a word. Through his actions and mannerisms, he let everyone there know he was a pro - he knew what was up, and they didn’t have to worry about him messing up the system.

I think a certain amount of humility and niceness is necessary. No matter how much Japanese you know or how well you know the system, there are tencho and girls who are convinced that you’re bad for the system, and nothing you can do will change their mind. Other places may be unsure, but willing to take a risk perhaps is business is slow enough at that point. Accept the system for what it is and learn how to use it in your favor. Take rejections in stride, and if you are accepted somewhere, always show the tencho and the girls the proper amount of respect. Even if you felt the service was horrible, smile, thank them, and then complain about it here on the ISG. Complaining there won’t help your case. Maybe some random Japanese guy can roll in and be drunk and belligerent and they simply have to smile and take it - but we don’t have that luxury.

You should strive to be the best customer that shop has ever had - both in the eyes of the tencho and the girl. With system we’ll never get the same opportunities or availability that the Japanese guys do, but it would help to expand our options a bit. Even if you don’t give a rats ass about your fellow mongers (you should), it works for you too - at one of my favorite places, I’m getting a sweet deal on double the time for half the price - simply because I frequented it and was always very nice to the tencho and the girl. Even before that they always gave me freebies.

Not just for P4P but in general as well. This isn’t the 80’s anymore, where just being foreign was like having a golden ticket.

If you don’t want to or can’t do this, then you are probably trying to monger in the wrong country.

Homer69
10-10-09, 20:20
AK,

I have the same views as you. The racism is part of it but for the most part, I have some long-standing relationships with a few shops and the fact I can get serviced and other gaijin cannot is because of this and much of it has to do with the courtesies I extend. They know I'm discreet and I won't show up when there are many Japanese waiting around, for instance. This is professional courtesy that doesn't need to be said. I've poked my head in, saw the crowd, switched to English and just said, "Excuse me, I'm looking for shiatsu" or something like that and quickly left. Tencho really appreciate this sort of thing, especially if they know you. I don't scare off his core customer base and I simply return when I can be shuffled back very quickly.

homer


I’ve met with WG who tell me they prefer foreigners. We actually treat them like human beings and also make an effort for them to enjoy the time as well, as opposed to Japanese guys who just blow in, do the deed, and blow out. So, YMMV.

Regarding the “racism”, from what I can tell its not even really a personal thing. As most of you know, the industry is fairly out in the open here despite it technically being illegal. They have a fragile relationship with the police/lawmakers in that if they don’t bring attention to themselves, the authorities will just look the other way.

The problem with us foreigners is that we draw attention automatically. Can’t be helped, the population here is 99% Japanese. Maybe one or two would be OK, but if a bunch of foreigners started to frequent a shop, this would be very attention-bringing, and the authorities would have to act. Your 20,000 yen isn’t worth the risk of getting the business closed down.

Then of course there’s the language barrier. They don’t expect you to understand how the system works, and they don’t think they can explain it to (even if you show some level of Japanese understanding). Many girls also feel uncomfortable trying to work with a guy they can’t communicate with. And if there’s a problem they’ll be no way to resolve it. And this is an absolute worst-case scenario, but if there’s some sort of big incident and it makes international news…do you think Japan’s overseas friends would also be willing to look the other way?

As I understand it, these are the primary reasons why foreigners are usually turned away. After that, then factor in your racism - we’re too big for the girls, we play too rough, we’re riddled with STD’s, take your pick.

This doesn’t mean its hopeless for us. Its still a business, they still want your money. You just have to show them that taking your money is safe and won’t lead to the aforementioned problems. Japanese ability helps a LOT, but sometimes isn’t even necessary - I saw a guy once navigate Tobita with a 60% or so call rate, without speaking a word. Through his actions and mannerisms, he let everyone there know he was a pro - he knew what was up, and they didn’t have to worry about him messing up the system.

I think a certain amount of humility and niceness is necessary. No matter how much Japanese you know or how well you know the system, there are tencho and girls who are convinced that you’re bad for the system, and nothing you can do will change their mind. Other places may be unsure, but willing to take a risk perhaps is business is slow enough at that point. Accept the system for what it is and learn how to use it in your favor. Take rejections in stride, and if you are accepted somewhere, always show the tencho and the girls the proper amount of respect. Even if you felt the service was horrible, smile, thank them, and then complain about it here on the ISG. Complaining there won’t help your case. Maybe some random Japanese guy can roll in and be drunk and belligerent and they simply have to smile and take it - but we don’t have that luxury.

You should strive to be the best customer that shop has ever had - both in the eyes of the tencho and the girl. With system we’ll never get the same opportunities or availability that the Japanese guys do, but it would help to expand our options a bit. Even if you don’t give a rats ass about your fellow mongers (you should), it works for you too - at one of my favorite places, I’m getting a sweet deal on double the time for half the price - simply because I frequented it and was always very nice to the tencho and the girl. Even before that they always gave me freebies.

Not just for P4P but in general as well. This isn’t the 80’s anymore, where just being foreign was like having a golden ticket.

If you don’t want to or can’t do this, then you are probably trying to monger in the wrong country.

Zcorps
10-11-09, 08:50
AK,

I have the same views as you. The racism is part of it but for the most part, I have some long-standing relationships with a few shops and the fact I can get serviced and other gaijin cannot is because of this and much of it has to do with the courtesies I extend. They know I'm discreet and I won't show up when there are many Japanese waiting around, for instance. This is professional courtesy that doesn't need to be said. I've poked my head in, saw the crowd, switched to English and just said, "Excuse me, I'm looking for shiatsu" or something like that and quickly left. Tencho really appreciate this sort of thing, especially if they know you. I don't scare off his core customer base and I simply return when I can be shuffled back very quickly.

homer


I'm not sure how much I agree with You or Azure on this issue.

Don't get me wrong though, we all know why tenchos won't accept us foreigners at times. I'm not arguing that point. But it seems to me as though you guys are forgetting we're customers. We shouldn't have to bend over backwards to get serviced.

A small disclaimer before I continue my argument. I have things a bit easier than most western customers, I'm a halfie (not Japanese half though) and as such I blend in well enough that a tencho will never hide me. I'm still recognized as a foreigner, but as long as no one stares too long at me, they probably won't realize I'm a foreigner. That works well since most people avoid eye contact anyways. So considering this, I may have an easier time dealing with this industry than other foreigners.

Don't get me wrong. I'm always polite, and in general I try to be the best sort of customer. I do ask for FS from every girl I meet, meaning I break the rules constantly, but that point aside I do my best to cause as little trouble as possible. I never argue with anyone, and I understand no means no.

I think generally we're all on the same page. Show proper respect, and you're as good as gold. The issue I have with your opinions is that it seems many on these forums are advocating that we just take whatever crap they give us. I say if there is something worth complaining about, then say something. Don't let it lead to an argument though, that's just lose-lose.

Generally speaking, I find it stupid to complain over bad service. That's more the fault of the girl and the shop can't do anything about that really. But if you feel like you're getting shafted, say something. Just keep your cool when you do it. Raise the issue with an employee and maybe the issue will be resolved, if not don't head back there again. Though, again letting it lead to an argument is never helpful and detrimental to us gaijin as a whole. I'm NOT saying we should act like jerks. I'm just saying that there is no reason to get shafted.

Though as others have said, being polite goes a long way. Once you've established that you're a great customer, employees will be the ones bending over backwards to get things done for you. I know several shops that let me go with girls whether or not they will service foreigners. There's also a specific shop that I feel recruits the best girls. However, the tencho there seems to be a bit on the racist side, so rather than dealing with him, I go to a sister shop whose tencho knows me well. I usually have him set things up for me.

Homer69
10-11-09, 17:55
I think you're missing one simple fact. Like it or not, foreigners are bad for business. You can't fight this. It's part of the Japanese DNA and there is nothing that is going to change this. If you can't accept this simple fact then you're not understanding where I am coming from.

I'm not bending over backwards or taking shit from any tencho by pretending to be mistaken and bowing out for another time. I am just extending professional courtesy to make his or her job easier. A bunch of Japanese, regardless of how polite and dismissive they are will be made extremely uncomfortable to be in the presence of a foreigner. We're all there for the same reason. Everything is about saving face and this sort of thing is appreciated and avoids any chance of the tencho losing face with his customers.

I've been at healths before where I was quickly whisked into a side room. I didn't know what was going on at first but it became clear they wanted my business but didn't want me looking at the book in the lobby area. When I explained I understood what was going on they apologized profusely and were glad that I understood.

I don't see this sort of compensatory behavior as being anything but courteous and making the best of a less than optimal situation. If you've ever been to high end soaps they do this, even with Japanese customers. They'll hold you in your room for a few minutes until the halls and lobby clears so no customer ever needs to see another customer.

Regarding complaining about bad service, there is a right way and a wrong way. The wrong way is to be direct about it. The right way is to be vague and allow for saving face. That's just my opinion. I never complain about bad service, I just don't go back.

homer


I'm not sure how much I agree with You or Azure on this issue.

Don't get me wrong though, we all know why tenchos won't accept us foreigners at times. I'm not arguing that point. But it seems to me as though you guys are forgetting we're customers. We shouldn't have to bend over backwards to get serviced.

A small disclaimer before I continue my argument. I have things a bit easier than most western customers, I'm a halfie (not Japanese half though) and as such I blend in well enough that a tencho will never hide me. I'm still recognized as a foreigner, but as long as no one stares too long at me, they probably won't realize I'm a foreigner. That works well since most people avoid eye contact anyways. So considering this, I may have an easier time dealing with this industry than other foreigners.

Don't get me wrong. I'm always polite, and in general I try to be the best sort of customer. I do ask for FS from every girl I meet, meaning I break the rules constantly, but that point aside I do my best to cause as little trouble as possible. I never argue with anyone, and I understand no means no.

I think generally we're all on the same page. Show proper respect, and you're as good as gold. The issue I have with your opinions is that it seems many on these forums are advocating that we just take whatever crap they give us. I say if there is something worth complaining about, then say something. Don't let it lead to an argument though, that's just lose-lose.

Generally speaking, I find it stupid to complain over bad service. That's more the fault of the girl and the shop can't do anything about that really. But if you feel like you're getting shafted, say something. Just keep your cool when you do it. Raise the issue with an employee and maybe the issue will be resolved, if not don't head back there again. Though, again letting it lead to an argument is never helpful and detrimental to us gaijin as a whole. I'm NOT saying we should act like jerks. I'm just saying that there is no reason to get shafted.

Though as others have said, being polite goes a long way. Once you've established that you're a great customer, employees will be the ones bending over backwards to get things done for you. I know several shops that let me go with girls whether or not they will service foreigners. There's also a specific shop that I feel recruits the best girls. However, the tencho there seems to be a bit on the racist side, so rather than dealing with him, I go to a sister shop whose tencho knows me well. I usually have him set things up for me.

Naniwan
10-12-09, 10:19
Out of interest, which Healths whisked you off to the side room (if you don't mind sharing that is). I've called a lot up that said, on the day, if you come and there's a girl that doesn't mind foreigners, you'll be serviced, but haven't been as of yet. I'll dig the e-mail out for that one to let people know also.


I think you're missing one simple fact. Like it or not, foreigners are bad for business. You can't fight this. It's part of the Japanese DNA and there is nothing that is going to change this. If you can't accept this simple fact then you're not understanding where I am coming from.

I'm not bending over backwards or taking shit from any tencho by pretending to be mistaken and bowing out for another time. I am just extending professional courtesy to make his or her job easier. A bunch of Japanese, regardless of how polite and dismissive they are will be made extremely uncomfortable to be in the presence of a foreigner. We're all there for the same reason. Everything is about saving face and this sort of thing is appreciated and avoids any chance of the tencho losing face with his customers.

I've been at healths before where I was quickly whisked into a side room. I didn't know what was going on at first but it became clear they wanted my business but didn't want me looking at the book in the lobby area. When I explained I understood what was going on they apologized profusely and were glad that I understood.

I don't see this sort of compensatory behavior as being anything but courteous and making the best of a less than optimal situation. If you've ever been to high end soaps they do this, even with Japanese customers. They'll hold you in your room for a few minutes until the halls and lobby clears so no customer ever needs to see another customer.

Regarding complaining about bad service, there is a right way and a wrong way. The wrong way is to be direct about it. The right way is to be vague and allow for saving face. That's just my opinion. I never complain about bad service, I just don't go back.

homer

Jaycam
10-13-09, 03:36
Yoko is back in the biz, I guess money is tight. I emailed he CL add and it was her. All I can vouch for is she really is Japanese and her ad is not spam. Cheers

http://osaka.craigslist.jp/ers/1411694222.html

P.S. Post some pics if you see her

Homer69
10-13-09, 15:19
The two places where it happened aren't there anymore. One was in Namba and the other was in Nishi-Kawaguchi north of Tokyo. This happened three and five years ago, respectively. As you might know, NK has been basically shutdown. The place in Namba has been converted into a Chinese esute.


Out of interest, which Healths whisked you off to the side room (if you don't mind sharing that is). I've called a lot up that said, on the day, if you come and there's a girl that doesn't mind foreigners, you'll be serviced, but haven't been as of yet. I'll dig the e-mail out for that one to let people know also.

Traveler X
10-18-09, 10:55
good points from both posters here. it's definitely true that collectively, we are not the best for business compared to japanese customers. on the other hand in japan every customer is valuable, and some foreigners make great customers while others do spoil it for the rest.

for every foreigner that generally won't break the rules, there's going to be a disproportionate number of us who will try to break the rules every single time. an alarming number of us even admit to it in the various threads, and i'm not trying to judge anybody but only to point out that these stereotypes are not simply spurious assumptions without experience by shopowners. it doesn't make what they do right, i'm saying it's usually not as simple as somebody being malicious.

what's malicious is a few people thinking the rules don't matter and it's okay to harass every girl every time. morally speaking that's even more reprehensible, trying to f**k someone who's trying to give you only a hj/bj and hoping they'll let you. i understand that's what you want, but you don't have a moral leg to stand on here. for all the legit girls saying no, this is the number on thing most of them hate. but i don't blame you - this is probably just a habit of people from countries where handjobs/blowjobs are illegal and and you naturally assume every woman is there to break the law and the rules are just a wink wink facade. no.

i can't speak for your specific experiences, but pulling the customer into a side room is standard in some shops. your case may well be different, but japanese customers don't like to see other japanese customers either. me neither.

in all my times speaking with shopowners, the ability to understand rules and obey them are the dominant issues. most shops i go to post warnings about not [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) the workers because you'll go to jail and guess what, they're written only in japanese. they reserve the right to refuse someone who is too drunk and will throw them out to that end, but take a foreigner instead. i'm pretty sure they have nothing personal against alcoholism either.

while racism is a real problem, it works both ways and is more about expediency than anything else. to illustrate, in most non-mongering establishments they actually give extra service to foreigners. it's also racist, in our favor. i'll use a business example where they will quickly show a foreign businessman a price sheet but will not for a japanese businessman until he can prove he's prepared to buy. in another industry, they give guided tours of a pearl farm and if you're a foreigner (korean, australian, singaporean, etc..) they will let you haggle, but they will not let you haggle if you are japanese. i have a lot more examples as a consumer but you get the idea. there are cases of racism both ways (unlike most countries where they are simply racist against me), and in most cases in japan this is also not out of malice, simply a matter of putting business above racial morals. can't say that about my home country, and while i love it it's ironically where most of the people crying racism come from.

my whole point is not to take it personally, even if it's against moral principles. morals which ironically the majority of us fail to adhere to ourselves in terms of following shop rules or dealing with women.

i know if i ran an adult business where rules mattered, i wouldn't want a good number of foreigner customers either. but i'd take them because most are good customers and the problems can be solved simply by making sure they understand the rules. if someone simply refuses to obey rules and harasses my employees for sex without fail, i'll simply phonemail cctv footage of him to other stores rather than ban all foreigners. same as vegas - get kicked out of one casino, get kicked out of all. that's what japan should do.


i think you're missing one simple fact. like it or not, foreigners are bad for business. you can't fight this. it's part of the japanese dna and there is nothing that is going to change this. if you can't accept this simple fact then you're not understanding where i am coming from. homer

Naniwan
10-23-09, 13:14
Saw a fellow gaikokujin monger in Freajia today that said he found Freajia from a forum (was it you? .), I didn't have much time to speak to him since he was out the door but he did mention he didn't speak (or at least read) Japanese and still got serviced! Awesome! He also mentioned it was his first time. He asked me if I was a regular and we both laughed. In fact I am I guess.

Homer69
10-24-09, 07:44
i believe most of the foreigners here with bad attitudes either don't understand the social norms or are, as you say, reverting back to the norms in their home country.

i don't think i've ever asked a lady for fs until she started sending smoke signals to that effect. it's actually never crossed my mind to ask. i don't even like asking them if i can put my finger in unless i know it's on the menu. i wouldn't do it because i know how much japanese people find saying no to be distasteful. i think many foreigners don't understand this concept. i've really wanted fs from some ladies but unless you're in the old days of nk, fs at a legitimate place is definitely bad for the lady, bad for the shop and bad for you because it is technically illegal for licensed shops.

being a macho man is not really the way japanese men operate. if you come in acting macho it's just not worth the trouble to keep you in line. i've heard this from tencho. often, they look at your appearance, body language, grooming and japanese skills (if you can speak in polite japanese or not) and make a quick call right at the door. i've had much better luck when i wear a suit as opposed to casual clothes.

i agree about the vegas idea. they should have a book, i think it's called the griffin book or something like that in vegas.


good points from both posters here. it's definitely true that collectively, we are not the best for business compared to japanese customers. on the other hand in japan every customer is valuable, and some foreigners make great customers while others do spoil it for the rest.

for every foreigner that generally won't break the rules, there's going to be a disproportionate number of us who will try to break the rules every single time. an alarming number of us even admit to it in the various threads, and i'm not trying to judge anybody but only to point out that these stereotypes are not simply spurious assumptions without experience by shopowners. it doesn't make what they do right, i'm saying it's usually not as simple as somebody being malicious.

what's malicious is a few people thinking the rules don't matter and it's okay to harass every girl every time. morally speaking that's even more reprehensible, trying to f**k someone who's trying to give you only a hj/bj and hoping they'll let you. i understand that's what you want, but you don't have a moral leg to stand on here. for all the legit girls saying no, this is the number on thing most of them hate. but i don't blame you - this is probably just a habit of people from countries where handjobs/blowjobs are illegal and and you naturally assume every woman is there to break the law and the rules are just a wink wink facade. no.

i can't speak for your specific experiences, but pulling the customer into a side room is standard in some shops. your case may well be different, but japanese customers don't like to see other japanese customers either. me neither.

in all my times speaking with shopowners, the ability to understand rules and obey them are the dominant issues. most shops i go to post warnings about not [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) the workers because you'll go to jail and guess what, they're written only in japanese. they reserve the right to refuse someone who is too drunk and will throw them out to that end, but take a foreigner instead. i'm pretty sure they have nothing personal against alcoholism either.

while racism is a real problem, it works both ways and is more about expediency than anything else. to illustrate, in most non-mongering establishments they actually give extra service to foreigners. it's also racist, in our favor. i'll use a business example where they will quickly show a foreign businessman a price sheet but will not for a japanese businessman until he can prove he's prepared to buy. in another industry, they give guided tours of a pearl farm and if you're a foreigner (korean, australian, singaporean, etc..) they will let you haggle, but they will not let you haggle if you are japanese. i have a lot more examples as a consumer but you get the idea. there are cases of racism both ways (unlike most countries where they are simply racist against me), and in most cases in japan this is also not out of malice, simply a matter of putting business above racial morals. can't say that about my home country, and while i love it it's ironically where most of the people crying racism come from.

my whole point is not to take it personally, even if it's against moral principles. morals which ironically the majority of us fail to adhere to ourselves in terms of following shop rules or dealing with women.

i know if i ran an adult business where rules mattered, i wouldn't want a good number of foreigner customers either. but i'd take them because most are good customers and the problems can be solved simply by making sure they understand the rules. if someone simply refuses to obey rules and harasses my employees for sex without fail, i'll simply phonemail cctv footage of him to other stores rather than ban all foreigners. same as vegas - get kicked out of one casino, get kicked out of all. that's what japan should do.

Zcorps
10-24-09, 08:52
Have you ever had a discussion with these ladies about the subject of men asking for FS? Almost every girl will tell you that customers REGULARLY ask for FS. I know you're all about obeying everything, keeping your head down, and knowing that not causing trouble will get you far. To an extent, it's true. I make sure to do nothing but show respect to employees and the girls. I'm never pushy, and overall everything works great for me. As foreigners we have to make sure we don't hurt our image as a whole in hopes of continuing to get service from this industry.

However, whether you like it or not, asking for FS is not overstepping any boundaries. Now, simply sticking your meatstick inside the girl, I highly advocate AGAINST that. You should always be sure it's ok with the girl before you proceed. My rule is to ask, one or twice, and if I get a no, then I stop. The worst that will happen is the girl says no and continues with what she was doing. No girl will immediately stop what they're doing and make you leave because you asked. Most won't even care you asked, there are many girls I've met who have even given me their contact details after they refused FS. Being pushy and demanding FS is what will get us in trouble though. All shops have a no FS policy, but most will turn a blind eye towards this, as long as you're not demanding FS. I can't tell you how many well established healths and deli healths I've been to that told me no less than 5 times that FS was illegal, however soon after meeting the girl I was offered FS.

It's not just the random rule breaking macho foreigners who doesn't understand the social norms that break this particular rule too. Many Japanese men will do it too. Ask the girls, the more popular girls will tell you most every man will ask for it, they'll usually follow up that they'll only do it for their special customers though. Regardless of how many special customers the girl has, the point is that FS at this point is generally left up to the girl. Hell, whether or not the girl will service you is her choice too.

Getting back on track, I don't know who your friends are Homer, but the acquaintances I know who frequent fuuzoku shops were the ones who suggested I ask girls from non-fs places for FS. I'm sure there are many Japanese customers who, like you, follow the rules no matter where they go, but there are many Japanese customers who ask for FS. Yes, we're not Japanese, we're foreigners, but we're also customers.


I believe most of the foreigners here with bad attitudes either don't understand the social norms or are, as you say, reverting back to the norms in their home country.

I don't think I've ever asked a lady for FS until she started sending smoke signals to that effect. It's actually never crossed my mind to ask. I don't even like asking them if I can put my finger in unless I know it's on the menu. I wouldn't do it because I know how much Japanese people find saying no to be distasteful. I think many foreigners don't understand this concept. I've really wanted FS from some ladies but unless you're in the old days of NK, FS at a legitimate place is definitely bad for the lady, bad for the shop and bad for you because it is technically illegal for licensed shops.

Being a macho man is not really the way Japanese men operate. If you come in acting macho it's just not worth the trouble to keep you in line. I've heard this from tencho. Often, they look at your appearance, body language, grooming and Japanese skills (if you can speak in polite Japanese or not) and make a quick call right at the door. I've had much better luck when I wear a suit as opposed to casual clothes.

I agree about the Vegas idea. They should have a book, I think it's called the Griffin Book or something like that in Vegas.

Naniwan
10-24-09, 12:04
I have to agree with ZCorps here. I will ask for FS every time but one no is enough. I've only been turned down twice in the few healths I visited well over 20-30 times now.

The best reply I've had was "well you don't get FS from the other girls, right? ", you can't answer that. I was utterly owned.

Homer69
10-24-09, 17:52
I guess you don't understand what I'm trying to say. There are ways to ask for it and there are ways to ask for it. The way I'm talking about asking for it is directly which results in both people losing face when it's turned down. If you speak Japanese and have been here for awhile you know very well that you can ask for it without really asking for it. There are very subtle ways to do this through hint and innuendo. The problem I have is someone with very limited Japanese skills is going to read something here, learn the term "honban" and then ask directly. Did you ever stop to think how uncomfortable this would make a lady who has no intention of ever saying yes? She has no way to communicate with this guy to save face for him because he can't understand what she's saying. So, she just says, "NO" which is not the optimal way things are done in Japanese.

If you say you've had conversations with Japanese ladies about this then you must certainly know it's not OK to come out and say, "Is it OK if we screw?" which would be the equivalent of asking for honban directly. Even in English, you probably wouldn't ask this way if you were in an English-speaking country, but that's what it is if you only know "honban" and nothing else. You would ask if she has anything extra to offer or what sort things can she offer, etc. You give her a chance to say nothing else to offer. You might even ask her again, "honto desu ka?" in an innocent way so she can affirm her "NO" without losing face. But most foreigners with limited Japanese do not know how to dance around the edges and use metaphor and suggestion.

So, you misunderstood me. I am only talking about direct and pushy encounters. It's very appropriate to ask indirectly but I personally feel that asking so directly is improper.


Have you ever had a discussion with these ladies about the subject of men asking for FS? Almost every girl will tell you that customers REGULARLY ask for FS. I know you're all about obeying everything, keeping your head down, and knowing that not causing trouble will get you far. To an extent, it's true. I make sure to do nothing but show respect to employees and the girls. I'm never pushy, and overall everything works great for me. As foreigners we have to make sure we don't hurt our image as a whole in hopes of continuing to get service from this industry.

However, whether you like it or not, asking for FS is not overstepping any boundaries. Now, simply sticking your meatstick inside the girl, I highly advocate AGAINST that. You should always be sure it's ok with the girl before you proceed. My rule is to ask, one or twice, and if I get a no, then I stop. The worst that will happen is the girl says no and continues with what she was doing. No girl will immediately stop what they're doing and make you leave because you asked. Most won't even care you asked, there are many girls I've met who have even given me their contact details after they refused FS. Being pushy and demanding FS is what will get us in trouble though. All shops have a no FS policy, but most will turn a blind eye towards this, as long as you're not demanding FS. I can't tell you how many well established healths and deli healths I've been to that told me no less than 5 times that FS was illegal, however soon after meeting the girl I was offered FS.

It's not just the random rule breaking macho foreigners who doesn't understand the social norms that break this particular rule too. Many Japanese men will do it too. Ask the girls, the more popular girls will tell you most every man will ask for it, they'll usually follow up that they'll only do it for their special customers though. Regardless of how many special customers the girl has, the point is that FS at this point is generally left up to the girl. Hell, whether or not the girl will service you is her choice too.

Getting back on track, I don't know who your friends are Homer, but the acquaintances I know who frequent fuuzoku shops were the ones who suggested I ask girls from non-fs places for FS. I'm sure there are many Japanese customers who, like you, follow the rules no matter where they go, but there are many Japanese customers who ask for FS. Yes, we're not Japanese, we're foreigners, but we're also customers.

Homer69
10-25-09, 05:52
See my previous response. You guys missed my point. You are obviously conversational in Japanese and can respond and understand her responses. My target is a foreigner who goes in thinking he can just ask straight up with no real knowledge of the language or nuance of saving face. Those types are trouble, especially if they go in with an attitude. You have to remember that there are a ton of foreigners reading stuff here and think they can get by learning a few words or phrases while forcing the issue. It doesn't work that way. I'm not even sure if there is a word in Japanese for sexual intercourse. Is there? Maybe seikoi or something like that. Anyway, words like sexual intercourse and vagina are usually referred to via some nickname or nuance (asoko is my favorite). I just can't imagine a foreigner with little or no Japanese skills being able to do this without losing face.

I can imagine the conversation of the lady and the tencho after a session with a foreigner. Tencho asks curiously, "do desu ka?" Lady proceeds to tell him that the guy couldn't speak Japanese and was asking for sex. It is her prerogative to say this or keep quiet about it. The only thing the tencho is thinking is, "Oh brother, they are too much trouble, aren't they?"

Can you not see the plausibility of this? I've had many conversations with ladies and tencho. I know they don't like foreigners who are pushy and don't understand the rules. They have come out and told me as much. The ladies don't like to be put into situations where they have to say NO and lose face, too. Put yourself in their place.

Like I said, if you're conversational, you can pick up on the mood and try to decipher her feelings before you start breaching the line.

If you don't think that this is one of the principal reasons that we are cut off from many shops then I think you are delusional. I'll say it again. In general, foreigners are bad for business. If foreigners behaved knowing these things would not be so grim as they are now.


I have to agree with ZCorps here. I will ask for FS every time but one no is enough. I've only been turned down twice in the few healths I visited well over 20-30 times now.

The best reply I've had was "well you don't get FS from the other girls, right? ", you can't answer that. I was utterly owned.

Naniwan
10-25-09, 06:50
No, I totally get it, and I have to say I was surpised to see a guy in my regular Health getting serviced that spoke very little (if non at all) Japanese. How often are guys like that even accepted? I doubt it's common? I get it though, I'd hate to see myself suddenly getting rejected from my regular haunts.

In fact, I spoke to the girl I see often as we were walking to the hotel if it was really OK. The girl was asked before hand if she didn't mind accepting a foreigner that spoke very little Japanese. Apparently she was fine with it, so it's not like they're thrown in the deep end. Worryingly the guy did say to "No sex, right? " to me in the waiting room.

A word for sex and vagina etc? I take a similar (Japanese? ) approach. Yaru, asoko, etc. When I do ask for honban I ask using negative forms and even Osaka-ben to lighten it up, "yatte akan na? ", etc. Tbh though, I see the same girl now anyway but still I always ask if it's OK.

By the same token, the girls generally have as much issue with pushy Japanese customers (who are generally more pushy in my experience), than foreigners; They're saying NO to Japanese customers as much as foreign customers. Of course, again, I see your point. It only takes 1 incident with a foreign customer to bring it all down but the J customers are always going to be accepted.

I guess it's based on reputation. Foreigners have to build a certain amount of trust with the shops they frequent. I'm pretty sure that even if a bad incident occured where I go, they may not stop me personally from going any more. I still don't have the balls to try and visit shops that state clearly on their site that foreigners aren't accepted but someday. Maybe.


See my previous response. You guys missed my point. You are obviously conversational in Japanese and can respond and understand her responses. My target is a foreigner who goes in thinking he can just ask straight up with no real knowledge of the language or nuance of saving face. Those types are trouble, especially if they go in with an attitude. You have to remember that there are a ton of foreigners reading stuff here and think they can get by learning a few words or phrases while forcing the issue. It doesn't work that way. I'm not even sure if there is a word in Japanese for sexual intercourse. Is there? Maybe seikoi or something like that. Anyway, words like sexual intercourse and vagina are usually referred to via some nickname or nuance (asoko is my favorite). I just can't imagine a foreigner with little or no Japanese skills being able to do this without losing face.

I can imagine the conversation of the lady and the tencho after a session with a foreigner. Tencho asks curiously, "do desu ka? " Lady proceeds to tell him that the guy couldn't speak Japanese and was asking for sex. It is her prerogative to say this or keep quiet about it. The only thing the tencho is thinking is, "Oh brother, they are too much trouble, aren't they? "

Can you not see the plausibility of this? I've had many conversations with ladies and tencho. I know they don't like foreigners who are pushy and don't understand the rules. They have come out and told me as much. The ladies don't like to be put into situations where they have to say NO and lose face, too. Put yourself in their place.

Like I said, if you're conversational, you can pick up on the mood and try to decipher her feelings before you start breaching the line.

If you don't think that this is one of the principal reasons that we are cut off from many shops then I think you are delusional. I'll say it again. In general, foreigners are bad for business. If foreigners behaved knowing these things would not be so grim as they are now.

Ozboy
10-26-09, 02:13
Went to a Sekushii Kyaba once (where the girls come around and sit in your lap in rotation, you feel them up, suck their titties, etc. ) when I was in the waiting area just before having a tea or whatever some Japanese guys were also waiting (in a group.)

They were obviously pumped up and having a good time. They talked to me a bit and I remember saying (I was a little drunk) "Honban dame desho" to let them know I wasn't going to go in and act like an idiot.

They protested and said "Daijyobu daijyoubu. Dekiru zo" and nodding. This meant of course you could have FS with the girls there. And this wasn't even a HJ/BJ place, much less a FS place. I asked them again "Dekiru no?" and they kept sayind "dekiru dekiru" (Can you? Yes, yes.)

Dunno if they were just winding me up or what. I didn't try, but who knows. I have my doubts. Maybe they were first timers?

Homer69
10-26-09, 04:37
I think you got my point. It does only take one or a very few incidents by foreigners to spoil it for the rest of us. Japanese customers can do whatever they want. They will never get turned down for being Japanese. This should be very obvious to anyone but I guess it's not.

If you're a foreigner, be aware that there is a double standard and your dumb ass behavior can ruin it for everyone else.



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By the same token, the girls generally have as much issue with pushy Japanese customers (who are generally more pushy in my experience), than foreigners; They're saying NO to Japanese customers as much as foreign customers. Of course, again, I see your point. It only takes 1 incident with a foreign customer to bring it all down but the J customers are always going to be accepted.

I guess it's based on reputation. Foreigners have to build a certain amount of trust with the shops they frequent. I'm pretty sure that even if a bad incident occured where I go, they may not stop me personally from going any more. I still don't have the balls to try and visit shops that state clearly on their site that foreigners aren't accepted but someday. Maybe.

Lion
10-26-09, 05:41
Went to a Sekushii Kyaba once (where the girls come around and sit in your lap in rotation, you feel th I asked them again "Dekiru no?" and they kept sayind "dekiru dekiru" (Can you? Yes, yes.)

Dunno if they were just winding me up or what. I didn't try, but who knows. I have my doubts. Maybe they were first timers?

Hard to really know. But being the Pink industry, it would be pretty likely a girl might allow take-out after hours. Even during hours, depending on if the ten-cho is looking to make a little and take a chance.

Zcorps
10-27-09, 09:40
On my birthday my friends once took me to one of those places before. I don't remember the name of this place or the prices exactly, but here's how the system worked at that specific place.

THe girls would come around, and you could get a lap dance from them. If you liked them, you could go in the back with them and get a handy. It was a 10 minutes session. You could get some oral if the girl liked you enough, but basically the girls were only supposed to give you a HJ. Anything other than a HJ was between you and her.

At the end of the night the tencho asked if I wanted mochi-kaeri, literally take-out (He actually used that phrase). He never said I would get FS, but he did imply it. I paid him a fee, met the girl, headed to a hotel and did get FS. I don't remember how much time I had (or if there was in fact a time limit) because I was supposed to meet my friends soon after that.

So, to answer your question, there are a few of those places where you can get FS. A quick note, the girl told me that since I had stayed until closing that next time I should ask her directly to go home afterwards instead of the tencho. She'd charge me a lower rate, and she would make more money. I'm sure that's frowned upon by the establishment though.

Anyways, I can't remember the price, but I remember thinking that it would have been cheaper to call a nice Deli health. If I wanted FS, I'd go somewhere else, however if I ever happen to be in one of those places, I think it's pretty fun since you get to try out the girl, then get some FS from her if you like her.

Oh, and a note. You shouldn't go to these places and demand FS, that will only get us foreigners in trouble. Not that I'm accusing you of it.


Went to a Sekushii Kyaba once (where the girls come around and sit in your lap in rotation, you feel them up, suck their titties, etc. ) when I was in the waiting area just before having a tea or whatever some Japanese guys were also waiting (in a group.)

They were obviously pumped up and having a good time. They talked to me a bit and I remember saying (I was a little drunk) "Honban dame desho" to let them know I wasn't going to go in and act like an idiot.

They protested and said "Daijyobu daijyoubu. Dekiru zo" and nodding. This meant of course you could have FS with the girls there. And this wasn't even a HJ/BJ place, much less a FS place. I asked them again "Dekiru no?" and they kept sayind "dekiru dekiru" (Can you? Yes, yes.)

Dunno if they were just winding me up or what. I didn't try, but who knows. I have my doubts. Maybe they were first timers?

Zcorps
10-27-09, 10:08
I'll concede to the fact that we should be more careful in how we word our posts so that other foreigners don't go into these places and demand FS or something.

However, places where non-Japanese speaking foreigners are allowed in, usually aren't the kind of places where asking for FS will make a difference into what type of service you get. Those places are usually BJ only, or full FS anyways. I can only think of a few places where it would matter whether or not you asked though.

I do see your point though, if every foreigner went around using a few japanese phrases to ask for FS, we'd be in trouble. I'll start wording my posts so as to deter people from being pushy when possible (outside of places where Japanese is needed of course).


See my previous response. You guys missed my point. You are obviously conversational in Japanese and can respond and understand her responses. My target is a foreigner who goes in thinking he can just ask straight up with no real knowledge of the language or nuance of saving face. Those types are trouble, especially if they go in with an attitude. You have to remember that there are a ton of foreigners reading stuff here and think they can get by learning a few words or phrases while forcing the issue. It doesn't work that way. I'm not even sure if there is a word in Japanese for sexual intercourse. Is there? Maybe seikoi or something like that. Anyway, words like sexual intercourse and vagina are usually referred to via some nickname or nuance (asoko is my favorite). I just can't imagine a foreigner with little or no Japanese skills being able to do this without losing face.

I can imagine the conversation of the lady and the tencho after a session with a foreigner. Tencho asks curiously, "do desu ka?" Lady proceeds to tell him that the guy couldn't speak Japanese and was asking for sex. It is her prerogative to say this or keep quiet about it. The only thing the tencho is thinking is, "Oh brother, they are too much trouble, aren't they?"

Can you not see the plausibility of this? I've had many conversations with ladies and tencho. I know they don't like foreigners who are pushy and don't understand the rules. They have come out and told me as much. The ladies don't like to be put into situations where they have to say NO and lose face, too. Put yourself in their place.

Like I said, if you're conversational, you can pick up on the mood and try to decipher her feelings before you start breaching the line.

If you don't think that this is one of the principal reasons that we are cut off from many shops then I think you are delusional. I'll say it again. In general, foreigners are bad for business. If foreigners behaved knowing these things would not be so grim as they are now.

Homer69
10-27-09, 15:06
No problem. I figured this out in Tokyo. Long ago I disclosed two healths (long ago closed) in the Tokyo forum that were soon thereafter off-limits. I talked to each tencho in depth and both of them explained about a big influx of foreigners showing up in groups and/or drunk expecting FS and it caused more hassle than it was worth. It was decided to go back to the Japanese Only policy. The ladies didn't like it and made this very clear afterward.

If you are conversational then it should not be a problem because you know how to ask using indirect expression but just coming out and asking to screw, especially with an attitude puts the lady in a difficult spot. She is now nervous and cannot do her job correctly, too.

I guess you are talking about Chinese esute where non-Japanese-speaking foreigners can get FS. They are all over the place and easy to find if you do your homework. Unfortunately, they don't stay open very long. I could care less about those places. I care about places that have real Japanese ladies working there. Those places are golden when you find them.


I'll concede to the fact that we should be more careful in how we word our posts so that other foreigners don't go into these places and demand FS or something.

However, places where non-Japanese speaking foreigners are allowed in, usually aren't the kind of places where asking for FS will make a difference into what type of service you get. Those places are usually BJ only, or full FS anyways. I can only think of a few places where it would matter whether or not you asked though.

I do see your point though, if every foreigner went around using a few japanese phrases to ask for FS, we'd be in trouble. I'll start wording my posts so as to deter people from being pushy when possible (outside of places where Japanese is needed of course).

Ozboy
10-29-09, 08:04
Yeah mate I wouldn't ever assume anything but touching above the waist was on at those places. The shills who take you down there essentially tell you that's the go.

I got there by walking up to one of those orange fuzoku town booths and asking the guy where a place was that would allow gaijin. Told him wasnt looking for FS just touching.

He seemed willing to run through the pages to find whatever I was out for. Ended up walking me down the arcade and down to some underground place I would never have found.

Once in, you got served tea while you waited around a big table, which is where I met the Japanese punters, who went in before me.

Big booths all around, 1 beer included, 7,000 for 40 minutes or so. Dark inside like a cave with blacklights. The girls come around in white towels wearing only panties underneath. "And now here comes your next girl..." kinda thing over the loudspeaker. Bloody obnoxious but I was well into my cups.

Thing is the Japanese guys were young salarymen all in groups. But theyd always chat up the chicks for a little while first. I just asked her to sit in my lap and took the towel off. You could touch or suck or whatever as long as it was above the waist. No kissing IIRC. The girls were really chatty, on and on and on about anything.

Rotation after a few minutes. You had to pay a little extra to keep the girl with you if you liked her. Otherwise a new girl would come. Some annoying wait time in between. Good recipe for blue balls.

Anyway I did end up taking one girl to a hotel. It was past three when she got off work and we walked a few blocks. She was skinny, but great titties and really enjoyed herself. Said she didn't think a Japanese guy could do it like that afterwards. I'm not bragging--I'm nothing special, maybe she just had had some below par experiences.


On my birthday my friends once took me to one of those places before. I don't remember the name of this place or the prices exactly, but here's how the system worked at that specific place.

THe girls would come around, and you could get a lap dance from them. If you liked them, you could go in the back with them and get a handy. It was a 10 minutes session. You could get some oral if the girl liked you enough, but basically the girls were only supposed to give you a HJ. Anything other than a HJ was between you and her.

At the end of the night the tencho asked if I wanted mochi-kaeri, literally take-out (He actually used that phrase). He never said I would get FS, but he did imply it. I paid him a fee, met the girl, headed to a hotel and did get FS. I don't remember how much time I had (or if there was in fact a time limit) because I was supposed to meet my friends soon after that.

So, to answer your question, there are a few of those places where you can get FS. A quick note, the girl told me that since I had stayed until closing that next time I should ask her directly to go home afterwards instead of the tencho. She'd charge me a lower rate, and she would make more money. I'm sure that's frowned upon by the establishment though.

Anyways, I can't remember the price, but I remember thinking that it would have been cheaper to call a nice Deli health. If I wanted FS, I'd go somewhere else, however if I ever happen to be in one of those places, I think it's pretty fun since you get to try out the girl, then get some FS from her if you like her.

Oh, and a note. You shouldn't go to these places and demand FS, that will only get us foreigners in trouble. Not that I'm accusing you of it.

Vini Vidi
11-02-09, 23:07
Have a pretty busy schedule. Not a lot of time to waste time looking around. Want to find some good local Japanese girls for a massage and BJ, maybe mutual masturbation. Does anyone have any recommendations? Maybe we can meet-up on one of those evenings and go some place together?

Takoya
11-02-09, 23:43
Hi,

This forum has a wealth of information that I never knew existed. It's great!

I want to try delivery health but not sure how to do it using a love hotel. To be quite honest, I've never been to a love hotel. Would I have to go to the hotel alone first and get a room and then call the company? How will the girl Know how to get in? Or can I give them the location, wait outside of the hotel and then go in together?

I'd like to give deliheru a shot, just to see what it's like.

Zcorps
11-03-09, 05:56
I had the same problem when I first started doing deliheru.

First and foremost, you'll need to speak Japanese due to the complexity of how this works. A few simple phrases won't cut it. However, you don't need to be native level, basic conversation should be fine.

Now you have a few options. The first and most normal option is to check in by yourself. You can either call in ahead and make an appointment, they'll usually ask what hotel you have in mind and what time. Then you head in and call them from the room and tell them your room number (either by cell phone or from the hotel's phone). A lot of hotels in Osaka seem to intentionally or unintentionally block cell phone signal, so keep that in mind. You can usually tell in the lobby whether or not your phone will work.

When the girl arrives she'll normally stop at the front desk then head up to your room, that way when she rings the doorbell it will automatically open. However, a lot of the time the girl won't stop at the front, so you have to dial the front and ask them to open the door when she arrives. You usually dial 9 from the room phone for the front.

You can also call the deliheru directly from the room instead of making an appointment. They'll send the girl over, and likewise you might need to dial the front to let the girl in. If you do this, bring a few extra deliheru numbers just in case.

Another option is meeting the girl outside. This isn't exactly the normal flow of things, but many deliheru will gladly offer to do this. Just ask if you can do machiawase. Depending on the place, the girl will either meet you outside the hotel and you go in together, OR you meet at a designated spot, get picked up by a driver, and they take you to a hotel with the girl. I personally do machiawase towards the evening because sometimes love hotels think you're trying to stay the whole night then charge you an all night fee.

And remember, always be courteous and never be pushy.


Hi,

This forum has a wealth of information that I never knew existed. It's great!

I want to try delivery health but not sure how to do it using a love hotel. To be quite honest, I've never been to a love hotel. Would I have to go to the hotel alone first and get a room and then call the company? How will the girl Know how to get in? Or can I give them the location, wait outside of the hotel and then go in together?

I'd like to give deliheru a shot, just to see what it's like.

Takoya
11-03-09, 08:27
Is it possible to tell the company that I would be going to such and such hotel and then will wait for girl outside? Is machiawase doable with ll deliheru Or at least majority of them?


I had the same problem when I first started doing deliheru.

First and foremost, you'll need to speak Japanese due to the complexity of how this works. A few simple phrases won't cut it. However, you don't need to be native level, basic conversation should be fine.

Now you have a few options. The first and most normal option is to check in by yourself. You can either call in ahead and make an appointment, they'll usually ask what hotel you have in mind and what time. Then you head in and call them from the room and tell them your room number (either by cell phone or from the hotel's phone). A lot of hotels in Osaka seem to intentionally or unintentionally block cell phone signal, so keep that in mind. You can usually tell in the lobby whether or not your phone will work.

When the girl arrives she'll normally stop at the front desk then head up to your room, that way when she rings the doorbell it will automatically open. However, a lot of the time the girl won't stop at the front, so you have to dial the front and ask them to open the door when she arrives. You usually dial 9 from the room phone for the front.

You can also call the deliheru directly from the room instead of making an appointment. They'll send the girl over, and likewise you might need to dial the front to let the girl in. If you do this, bring a few extra deliheru numbers just in case.

Another option is meeting the girl outside. This isn't exactly the normal flow of things, but many deliheru will gladly offer to do this. Just ask if you can do machiawase. Depending on the place, the girl will either meet you outside the hotel and you go in together, OR you meet at a designated spot, get picked up by a driver, and they take you to a hotel with the girl. I personally do machiawase towards the evening because sometimes love hotels think you're trying to stay the whole night then charge you an all night fee.

And remember, always be courteous and never be pushy.

Ozboy
11-04-09, 00:23
Yes to the first part, maybe to the second. Different policies for different shops.

Call em up and see. Which shop you have in mind? Their website should outline the system pretty cleanly.

If you're asking about the majority of DH you're asking about thousands, mate. Lot of 'em out there. Some do this, some don't. Like I said, post the website or get someone to check the system for you. Or you can just try it and see what happens. From experience you want a few shops lined up, don't rely on just one or you may be disappointed, especially if you are planning to go to the hotel first.

Takoya
11-05-09, 15:19
Whats the different between rest, stay and service time?

I believe rest is like 1hr and stay is overnight. Whats service time?


Yes to the first part, maybe to the second. Different policies for different shops.

Call em up and see. Which shop you have in mind? Their website should outline the system pretty cleanly.

If you're asking about the majority of DH you're asking about thousands, mate. Lot of 'em out there. Some do this, some don't. Like I said, post the website or get someone to check the system for you. Or you can just try it and see what happens. From experience you want a few shops lined up, don't rely on just one or you may be disappointed, especially if you are planning to go to the hotel first.

Ozboy
11-06-09, 02:40
Service time is a discounted price for your off-peak hours. The hotel should post what those hours are somewhere inside or somewhere on the sign.

Anjon
11-07-09, 07:59
Hey all, first post. I recently visited a "cosplay hostess club" in Namba called Fairy Tale, but I didn't receive any real "luck", just usual hostess club happenings. Apparently though, on return visits or on very special circumstances, you can go much farther in terms of entertainment. Anyone know about this place? Or if anyone knows any other easily accessible areas nearby Namba/Shinsaibashi, I'd love to know.

Anjon
11-07-09, 14:55
Hello again,

Did a little more research on the areas closest to me, including the Tobita Shinchi RDL. I discovered that I live about 53 minutes from it by train, but even stranger is that there's a station called Imafune that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. It's literally right next door to Tobita, and can be reached via the subway lines from Namba. If you go to the Kyobashi station, you can take the train to Kitahama, then get on the Sakaitsuji to Ebisucho, then get on the Hankai subway line to Imafune, then exit and you're already there at Tobita. On the Sukebe map http://www.21orover.com/japan/nws/Tobita/ , Imafune is right at the bottom left corner of the red border. I figure it would help eliminate all of the walking and potentially getting lost.

Zcorps
11-07-09, 21:12
I've never been to this specific place, but I can promise you they're misleading you. They do not intend to service you and the best you can hope for is that they let you grope them a bit. These girls make money by getting you to come back, the longer they can mislead you, the better. If you're looking to get serviced, go somewhere else. Hostess clubs generally DON'T provide any real services.

Hell, if you just want to sit down and talk to a girl, go find a girl's bar. They're not hard to find, and you can negotiate nomihoudai for less than 2000 yen.


Hey all, first post. I recently visited a "cosplay hostess club" in Namba called Fairy Tale, but I didn't receive any real "luck", just usual hostess club happenings. Apparently though, on return visits or on very special circumstances, you can go much farther in terms of entertainment. Anyone know about this place? Or if anyone knows any other easily accessible areas nearby Namba/Shinsaibashi, I'd love to know.

Xslikx
11-08-09, 18:32
... even stranger is that there's a station called Imafune that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. It's literally right next door to Tobita, and can be reached via the subway lines from Namba.

The Imafune station is not a subway station, it's part of the cable car (saikai-dennki). It's pretty inconvenient, unless you are coming from somewhere south along the line. It also runs infrequently. You might have to wait as long as 20 minutes for it to come, so you're better off walking from Doubutsuen-mae, which will take you about 10min.

Gaijin Otoko
11-17-09, 17:52
Well, I was in Osaka, and I decided to check out the well traveled Freajia. Thanks to those who provided directions, it is truly hard to find if you don't know exactly where it is. There is NO signage, even on the 4th floor where it's located.
I arrived at about 9 pm, which is not the best time to show up without a reservation. There were about 5 ladies working, and of those, only two were available right away. I picked Manon, who was on the list of top-10 repeat providers. I figured that was a good sign.
The first issue that we always comment on is whether the provider is attractive or not. Well, Manon is not likely to win any beauty contests. But she has some very nice tits, a great attitude, and she especially likes foreigners. I only had a 60 minute course, but it never felt rushed or forced. She let me play with her for a while before we got down to business. Her skin is quite soft, and she was pretty responsive. I wish we would have had a bit more time for some more BJ and especially titty-fuck, but she wanted to have a bit more time to "work me in." She turned out to be surprisingly tight, and it wasn't a dryness issue, either. I estimate I was "in the saddle" for about 15-20 minutes before finishing. She cleaned me up, and we had a nice conversation for the remaining few minutes.
So to sum up, she worked hard, she was very pleasant, and she got the job done within the allotted time. It helped that I envisioned her as one of the housewives I used to teach in my English conversation classes when I lived in Japan. I'm not in a situation where I repeat very much, so I guess I will say that I would be happy if I wound up repeating with her, but it's not something that I'm going to rush to do.

Naniwan
11-20-09, 02:14
Manon isn't too bad eh? I found her conversation a little bit lacking but at the time she was very new to Freajia and said she didn't have fuuzoku experience before (though I'm not so sure). She does FS though which is always a bonus.

Here's a quick run down of the girls I've been serviced by at Freajia (I went yesterday actually as well)

Yesterday was;

Emi: She's pudgy and isn't so attractive. Great personality, and truly tried hard. He sumata was good too, same for BJ. Asked for FS and was dened.

Chako: LOL, obaasan for sure but she really is hilarious. She's a big girl (but according to her updates on the site. Has lost a lot of weight) provided? Without paying, and FS.

Manon: I like Manon, she's pretty mellow and not that unattractive. She doesn't like any kind of 'seme' though, and doesn't kiss too much (She told me her lips etc are too sensitive?). FS though and digs foreigners (She had a BF from Portugal IIRC).

Ai: Ai isn't too bad looking, and would be one of the girls I would definately choose again. Not so into kissing but her sumata and BJ were great. Allowed FS eventually.

Ren: Wow, she is odd and seemed a bit scared being with a foreigner. Average technique, quite chubby, nice rack. Odd personality. Refused FS. I would avoid Ren personally.

Miku: The site says she's 32. I put her at least 40. Not very attractive at all and way too thin for my liking (I actually like girls with a bit of meat), no FS and has one of those personalities that you either love or hate (lots of oyaji gags that she would repeat over and over). Makes nice noises though I guess? Wouldn't choose her again.

Some of the new girls look interesting too and some younger girls in the mix.

Out of interest, I'm testing myself often now so here's some info if anyone is interest.

http://www.hivkensa.com/ provides info for places for free or paid tests (I took a free one in Ougimachi; results in a week) but also went to a clinic in Toganochou called Stellamate clinic (oh the irony since it's literally a minute from Freajia and all the other fuuzoku) and took all the other checks that the free test didn't cover. Results in a hour.

If anyone is worried, I was clean and have been mongering for about 4 months now but generally only Freajia and a few others.

Stay healthy, guys.

Hunter20
11-22-09, 22:55
Well, I was in Osaka, and I decided to check out the well traveled Freajia. Thanks to those who provided directions, it is truly hard to find if you don't know exactly where it is. There is NO signage, even on the 4th floor where it's located.I am glad so many fellow mongers enjoyed Freejia after I had discovered this gaijin-friendly shop for this board in springtime of 2007. I assume I will go there again when I will be in Japan next year.

If you have difficulties in finding it look at Google Maps first:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%E5%A4%A7%E9%98%AA%E5%B8%82%E5%8C%97%E5%8C%BA%E5%85%8E%E6%88%91%E9%87%8E%E7%94%BA11-3&sll=34.701046,135.503684&sspn=0.008679,0.013797&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=%EF%BC%91%EF%BC%91+%EF%BC%93%E5%85%8E%E6%88%91%E9%87%8E%E7%94%BA,+Kita+Ward,+%C5%8Csaka+City,+%C5%8Csaka+Prefecture,+Japan&ll=34.701171,135.503483&spn=0.008609,0.013797&z=16

Jamis Plumber
11-25-09, 16:11
I have been to quite a number of places including the popular Freajia in Umeda, and lucky to stick it in you-know-where, once in a while. On the other hand, I love them big racks.
Of all times I have been out there in the J-market, the biggest I have ever got is rated E-size by their standards. This actually translates to about A or thereabout by western rack size standards. Freajia has got those rated at F, G and even H.
Has anyone out there tried Maya (H), Hana or Chako (both G) at Freajia (or any place, with anyone) to give an opinion on the rack sizes?
The rates and benefits at Freajia seem to be user-friendly but I guess you punters know more other places in Osaka just as good. Besides, the location is good and discreet.

Homer69
11-25-09, 17:59
This is Japan and in general, Asian women have smaller chests and Asian men has smaller units. It's a physiological thing and I think most of us know this. It's been my experience that the bigger the rack the bigger the gut. If you're OK with this then happy hunting.


I have been to quite a number of places including the popular Freajia in Umeda, and lucky to stick it in you-know-where, once in a while. On the other hand, I love them big racks.
Of all times I have been out there in the J-market, the biggest I have ever got is rated E-size by their standards. This actually translates to about A or thereabout by western rack size standards. Freajia has got those rated at F, G and even H.
Has anyone out there tried Maya (H), Hana or Chako (both G) at Freajia (or any place, with anyone) to give an opinion on the rack sizes?
The rates and benefits at Freajia seem to be user-friendly but I guess you punters know more other places in Osaka just as good. Besides, the location is good and discreet.

Anonmyous
12-01-09, 11:32
Just wanted to say that Homer69 wasn't really wrong when he said:


This is Japan ... the bigger the rack the bigger the gut.

There are some J girls out there that have good racks (C by western standards) and aren't that hard to find, but larger sizes - especially w/o larger waists - are rare.

If you don't mind age, try Freajia.
If you don't mind BBW, try Osaka Fats.
If you don't mind Chinese girls, try esutes

All are gaijin friendly options. As far as esutes go, it can be hard to find one that has what you want, but if you know your way around Izumi no Hiroba in Umeda, go to Kinbana (tformerly: Toukakyou, the name changes regularly), and you might find what you want due to a wide selection and being able to see the girls before you choose).

Oh, and with the editor's permission, I'll offer a couple of links:

http://www.mukitamago.com/index.html
http://www.titi-manbou.com/girls.php
http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/osaka/
You may also want to check out other online search pages similar to the last link posted above. I think I listed a few others in a previous post.

Best of luck, and let us know what works out for you.


- Anonmyous

Takoya
12-01-09, 14:45
Just wanted to say that Homer69 wasn't really wrong when he said:

There are some J girls out there that have good racks (C by western standards) and aren't that hard to find, but larger sizes - especially w/o larger waists - are rare.

If you don't mind age, try Freajia.
If you don't mind BBW, try Osaka Fats.
If you don't mind Chinese girls, try esutes

All are gaijin friendly options. As far as esutes go, it can be hard to find one that has what you want, but if you know your way around Izumi no Hiroba in Umeda, go to Kinbana (tformerly: Toukakyou, the name changes regularly), and you might find what you want due to a wide selection and being able to see the girls before you choose).

Oh, and with the editor's permission, I'll offer a couple of links:

http://www.mukitamago.com/index.html
http://www.titi-manbou.com/girls.php
http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/osaka/
You may also want to check out other online search pages similar to the last link posted above. I think I listed a few others in a previous post.

Best of luck, and let us know what works out for you.

- AnonmyousMukitamago,

At least the amemura one, isn't gaijin friendly from my experience. I asked whether or not if it was ok and initially, they completely ignored my question. I asked again would the girls play with a gaijin and then the frontdesk bluntly said no.

Oh well. S

Jamis Plumber
12-01-09, 16:30
Thanks Homer69, and Anonmyous.

I have tried Freajia and the biggest I got was Chacko's :), quite saggy, of the five so far. I like them a bit more full; Sayaka's were, she is big and they are tiny. The play has always been good compensation. NO FS, remember guys :)

Anonymous, Osaka fats is next come my next pay cheque. It is the thought of variety that drives me; something different. The last web-link seems to offer variety, and in many places, I will give it a try and report.

Naniwan
12-03-09, 01:32
All are gaijin friendly options. As far as esutes go, it can be hard to find one that has what you want, but if you know your way around Izumi no Hiroba in Umeda, go to Kinbana (tformerly: Toukakyou, the name changes regularly), and you might find what you want due to a wide selection and being able to see the girls before you choose).

AnonmyousAh so it's still there then? I noticed the Kinbana sign but I've never actually ventured down that little street. Yet; the One time I was stopped in the shoutengai along side that street (with Mandarake etc on it) very early in the morning by a Chinese tout and one of the nicest Chinese working girls I've seen. It's a pity I was on the way to work and out of money. Her tout wouldn't let me go though! I figure she may have been a Toukakyou girl.

Cuty Suzuki
12-03-09, 01:41
It's been my experience that the bigger the rack the bigger the gut. If you're OK with this then happy hunting.Very true. I like the J girls with big racks so much that I think that I have developed a fetish for J girls with big guts!

Anjon
12-12-09, 02:57
Ok, I'm going to either Osaka Fats or Monroe in the next few days. It'll be my first time, so any tips on where I'd have the most success getting accepted? I'm a 20s black male with decent Japanese. Not fluent by any means, but I can handle pretty complex situations. I'll be wearing a suit.

Also, does anyone want to recommend me a girl from either establishment? I'm hoping against hope for some FS and maybe AF.

Zcorps
12-14-09, 10:59
Ok, I'm going to either Osaka Fats or Monroe in the next few days. It'll be my first time, so any tips on where I'd have the most success getting accepted? I'm a 20s black male with decent Japanese. Not fluent by any means, but I can handle pretty complex situations. I'll be wearing a suit.

Also, does anyone want to recommend me a girl from either establishment? I'm hoping against hope for some FS and maybe AF.

You might want to lookup a couple of DH places and find out if they'll service you. Any place with a store front is more likely to reject you because they don't want their customers to sight you. So some delivery would be ideal.

Also, there's a deai cafe near freajia that I've been meaning to try out, but haven't had any time. You can usually negotiate FS with a girl in those places, TOFTT and check it out for us and report.

Anjon
12-15-09, 06:18
You might want to lookup a couple of DH places and find out if they'll service you. Any place with a store front is more likely to reject you because they don't want their customers to sight you. So some delivery would be ideal.

Also, there's a deai cafe near freajia that I've been meaning to try out, but haven't had any time. You can usually negotiate FS with a girl in those places, TOFTT and check it out for us and report.I've RTFF'd carefully and have seen several posts leaning towards OF and Monroe being pretty gaijin friendly. It seems that Freajia is within walking distance of OF, and I heard good results from them too. I don't think a single poster has mentioned anything apart from a warm welcome there.

Where is this cafe around Freajia though? Any other details about it?

Jamis Plumber
12-15-09, 07:13
Ok, I'm going to either Osaka Fats or Monroe in the next few days. It'll be my first time, so any tips on where I'd have the most success getting accepted? I'm a 20s black male with decent Japanese. Not fluent by any means, but I can handle pretty complex situations. I'll be wearing a suit.

Also, does anyone want to recommend me a girl from either establishment? I'm hoping against hope for some FS and maybe AF.

Freajia will accept you with open arms and if you are good at the game, you can go all the way. The key is settle for Omakase. Osaka fats will ask you for the house membership card. Maybe someone with knowledge can throw some light about membership or is a polite way to turn down gaijin.

Zcorps
12-15-09, 08:05
I've RTFF'd carefully and have seen several posts leaning towards OF and Monroe being pretty gaijin friendly. It seems that Freajia is within walking distance of OF, and I heard good results from them too. I don't think a single poster has mentioned anything apart from a warm welcome there.

Where is this cafe around Freajia though? Any other details about it?

Freajia has girls old enough to be your grandmother, so be warned. And lately OF has been refusing foreigners. Now since you speak Japanese, you might get in. When I went there, the person at the counter wanted to confirm I spoke Japanese, and after that I was welcomed as a regular customer. Interesting to note, I'm given a full selection of girls whereas other mongers have reported that they are only offered a limited selection of girls. 

As for the deai cafe, it is really close to the stairs you climb for Freajia. It's on the same street and same side, it's hard to miss.

Anjon
12-16-09, 11:01
Well, I went to Freajia earlier today, but the results weren't good. My goal was the make it there before it got dark, so I was aiming for around 3:30 PM, but I ended up arriving at the station at about 4:20 PM. I remembered that most of the girls I was aiming for ended their shifts at 5:00, so I figured I'd leave it up to the clerk to pick a decent girl for it. Except, I got horribly lost for almost an hour. It was really shocking, since I saw Hotel Manhattan from the train station, but quickly lost track of it as I got closer. I asked around the RLD, but no one knew the place. Even a taxi cab driver didn't know where Hotel Manhattan was. After wandering around for a while though, I finally found it at around 5:05. I went up to the 4th floor of the Freajia building and found it pretty easily. The guy at the desk asked if my Japanese was ok, which he quickly ascertained that it was, and I thought everything was great. Suddenly, he gets this saddened expression and tells me that all of the girls are out. Every single one of them. He said he was sorry, I thanked him anyway and went about my way.

Was I just at a really bad time? I heard about some people going there when it was crowded, but I've never heard of accounts where every girl was booked. The next chance I can try is probably Friday, but since it's Friday, I worry that it might be more of the same. Maybe early Friday morning? I notice that a lot of the girls start their shifts at 10:00.

Zcorps
12-17-09, 21:16
Well, I went to Freajia earlier today, but the results weren't good. My goal was the make it there before it got dark, so I was aiming for around 3:30 PM, but I ended up arriving at the station at about 4:20 PM. I remembered that most of the girls I was aiming for ended their shifts at 5:00, so I figured I'd leave it up to the clerk to pick a decent girl for it. Except, I got horribly lost for almost an hour. It was really shocking, since I saw Hotel Manhattan from the train station, but quickly lost track of it as I got closer. I asked around the RLD, but no one knew the place. Even a taxi cab driver didn't know where Hotel Manhattan was. After wandering around for a while though, I finally found it at around 5:05. I went up to the 4th floor of the Freajia building and found it pretty easily. The guy at the desk asked if my Japanese was ok, which he quickly ascertained that it was, and I thought everything was great. Suddenly, he gets this saddened expression and tells me that all of the girls are out. Every single one of them. He said he was sorry, I thanked him anyway and went about my way.

Was I just at a really bad time? I heard about some people going there when it was crowded, but I've never heard of accounts where every girl was booked. The next chance I can try is probably Friday, but since it's Friday, I worry that it might be more of the same. Maybe early Friday morning? I notice that a lot of the girls start their shifts at 10:00.


It can be hard to tell whether or not they were rejecting you because of how polite the Japanese are, but knowing the manager there, I doubt that was the case. Also, I can tell you that I've been there around that I've been to the store at roughly that time and all of their girls were booked. Normally I'm told that if I wait XX minutes I'll be able to get serviced though. Try it again before 3pm, I personally prefer 2 pm as it seems dead at that time. Don't bother heading into the free information places though, they will tell you that they can't help you unless you want to go to a kyabakura.

Homer69
12-18-09, 05:58
You need to get there earlier. Shift change is very bad in my experience. I would not go back right away. Wait a week or two and try to avoid the same tencho if you can, in other words, try a different day or on a weekend.


Well, I went to Freajia earlier today, but the results weren't good. My goal was the make it there before it got dark, so I was aiming for around 3:30 PM, but I ended up arriving at the station at about 4:20 PM. I remembered that most of the girls I was aiming for ended their shifts at 5:00, so I figured I'd leave it up to the clerk to pick a decent girl for it. Except, I got horribly lost for almost an hour. It was really shocking, since I saw Hotel Manhattan from the train station, but quickly lost track of it as I got closer. I asked around the RLD, but no one knew the place. Even a taxi cab driver didn't know where Hotel Manhattan was. After wandering around for a while though, I finally found it at around 5:05. I went up to the 4th floor of the Freajia building and found it pretty easily. The guy at the desk asked if my Japanese was ok, which he quickly ascertained that it was, and I thought everything was great. Suddenly, he gets this saddened expression and tells me that all of the girls are out. Every single one of them. He said he was sorry, I thanked him anyway and went about my way.

Was I just at a really bad time? I heard about some people going there when it was crowded, but I've never heard of accounts where every girl was booked. The next chance I can try is probably Friday, but since it's Friday, I worry that it might be more of the same. Maybe early Friday morning? I notice that a lot of the girls start their shifts at 10:00.

Lion
12-18-09, 06:35
Suddenly, he gets this saddened expression and tells me that all of the girls are out. Every single one of them. He said he was sorry, I thanked him anyway and went about my way.

Was I just at a really bad time?

Many of the Frejia women have kids and/or husbands to get home to, so I am not surprised things dry up at the end of the shift.

Anjon
12-18-09, 06:57
I'd go on Saturday or Sunday, but wouldn't there be more bookings on weekdays? I'm thinking of aiming for 11:00 - 2:00 on Monday.

Gaijin Otoko
12-18-09, 22:50
Has anyone been to this place before: http://mariemarie.jp/top.html

It says on their FAQ that they will take foreigners (although there might be a Japanese language requirement).

Lion
12-19-09, 06:35
Has anyone been to this place before: http://mariemarie.jp/top.html

It says on their FAQ that they will take foreigners (although there might be a Japanese language requirement).

You sure this is a soap?
No picts, no play description and pretty cheap. Might not be the place with the cutest girls...but at least they take foreigners.

Homer69
12-19-09, 08:10
It's a fashion health (BJ), isn't it?


You sure this is a soap?
No picts, no play description and pretty cheap. Might not be the place with the cutest girls...but at least they take foreigners.

Gaijin Otoko
12-19-09, 15:13
It's a fashion health (BJ), isn't it?

Sorry, the referring link I got there from called it a "soap." From the website it does appear to be a fashion health.

So has anyone been there?

FunInKyoto69
12-20-09, 10:35
hello! has anyone tried this place in Gion?

www.lush.bz

Japanese Gaijin
12-24-09, 09:43
So I discovered this site today and am unfathomably grateful of all the information provided. I am going to Osaka on New Years and was going to search for these places with no prior knowledge: X

I was wondering how to make a reservation. I cannot read the site (I only know very little Japanese, only basic kanji) or is a walk-in fine?

I am 18 and Japanese so is there a possibility that I may be turned down for looking too young?

Also. Any chance someone might describe the process from arrival to departure?

LOL I know I am asking for a lot but I promise to return with success/fail stories!

Xslikx
12-25-09, 12:26
So I discovered this site today and am unfathomably grateful of all the information provided. I am going to Osaka on New Years and was going to search for these places ...


Which places?

Just off the top, since your Japanese is probably not great, but you look Japanese, you're probably better off showing up and trying to convince them that you are Japanese in person.

I don't think anyone will give a shit how old you look.

If you go to Tobita and look like a young Japanese guy, you can fuck any girl there. I don't think they will care if you Japanese isn't perfect.

Azure Knight
12-30-09, 16:39
So I discovered this site today and am unfathomably grateful of all the information provided. I am going to Osaka on New Years and was going to search for these places with no prior knowledge: X

I was wondering how to make a reservation. I cannot read the site (I only know very little Japanese, only basic kanji) or is a walk-in fine?

I am 18 and Japanese so is there a possibility that I may be turned down for looking too young?

Also. Any chance someone might describe the process from arrival to departure?

LOL I know I am asking for a lot but I promise to return with success/fail stories!
I'm writing up a guide for newcomers, but I don't think I'll have it finished in time for New Year's, sorry.

If you look Japanese, this will get your foot in the door at almost any place. The problem is once you open your mouth. If you don't understand Japanese and then the touts realize you aren't Japanese (well, by their standards), they may turn you away. Learn the basics and don't say more than you absolutely have to. Once you meet with the girl, she will probably figure you out but it'll be up to her to continue or not.

Your age - I don't know what the law is, you might be considered too young. If you are asked, just say you are 20. Don't dress too young and try not to look like a tourist either, and you should be OK.

Tobita is a good resource, interaction with the mamasan is minimal. She'll invite you in as you walk by, and if you go in then she will direct you upstairs and ask what you would like to drink. You only have to answer tea, soda, whatever.

The only problem is that Tobita, much like other places I imagine, is going to be PACKED during New Year's vacation. Try to go early.

Japanese Gaijin
01-02-10, 15:03
Thanks guys I am in Japan now but havent gotten around yet!

I'll definitely try Tobita and attempt my Haponese.

Japanese Gaijin
01-04-10, 16:02
Sorry that I haven't made this clear to everyone (though I do appreciate the assistance) but I am not looking for FS. I know big surprise right.

I'm just looking for BBBJCIM with a sexy j-girl

Will lack of fully conversational japanese despite my appearance ruin my chances?

Gaijin Otoko
01-09-10, 16:00
Sorry that I haven't made this clear to everyone (though I do appreciate the assistance) but I am not looking for FS. I know big surprise right.

I'm just looking for BBBJCIM with a sexy j-girl

Will lack of fully conversational japanese despite my appearance ruin my chances?

Whether you succeed or fail is determined mostly by your attitude, your persistence, your preparation, and your creativity, not by your language ability. I know guys who have NO Japanese ability who have done well, and I know guys who are native-level fluent who can't get a firm handshake. My advice is to stop asking "can I?" and start asking (yourself) "how do I?"

Homer69
01-10-10, 07:05
I could not agree more with this. Actually, I could not say it better, either. Persistence is going to be the deal maker, though. All of the preparation and creativity in the world is not going to get you anywhere if you're not prepared for failure, especially if you set your sights high. My best advice to you is that when you are refused, thank them for their time, excuse yourself and apologize for bothering them.


Whether you succeed or fail is determined mostly by your attitude, your persistence, your preparation, and your creativity, not by your language ability. I know guys who have NO Japanese ability who have done well, and I know guys who are native-level fluent who can't get a firm handshake. My advice is to stop asking "can I?" and start asking (yourself) "how do I?"

Azure Knight
02-04-10, 15:38
2~3 Happening bars in Osaka were raided last Saturday night. The police made 20 arrests, including 8 staff members and 12 patrons. They were arrested on charges of "Public Indecency", based on the magic mirrors that allow patrons in the regular bar area to see inside of some of the play areas. Its complete and total BS, considering you have to be a paying member just to get inside. The police are manipulating the charges, and many in the Osaka underground community feel that they had an informant or someone tipping them off.

My favorite place was among those raided, and I had been lightly considering the possibility of going the night of the raid. I'm sure I don't have to tell you about the consequences of being arrested as a foreigner in Japan.

Most hapbar goers in Osaka are fairly freaked out, and will probably lay low for a little while until things blow over. I don't know how many of you guys went to happening bar, but whether its happening bar or P4P, be careful. The police usually turn a blind eye, but raids do happen and the last thing you want is to be at a place when one happens.

Lion
02-19-10, 01:44
It had been a few years, and I finally got to take a trip out to Kobe and visited the soapland district in hopes of getting some mat action. Tried a few years ago and was denied everywhere, but was hoping the slow economy had opened things up a bit.

However before I got to the soap a tout waved me over and promised a good time with a young slender J-gal for a fair price, so I changed plans.

20min/6000, 40/9000, 60/12000

Clean, a number of girls who speak English, and "yasashii" foreigners welcome. About 5 booths, with semi-doors so you get some privacy. All nude, BBBJ, free to touch anywhere. Had a slender 22 yr old uni student who was skilled enough to get me off twice in 40min and fun to chat with. I will go back I am sure.

Not wanting to ruin a good thing, I will not post the exact location, but anyone with a decent record of posts can PM me for more detail.

Izanagi
02-23-10, 15:54
Like a lot of people, I'm a long time lurker of this board. But from now, I will try to contribute a little.

For information, I'm an average white-gaijin with an average level of Japanese (don't have any problem in daily life) and currently living in Kansai.

So today, after reading the post of Lion, I decided to see by myself the soapland district of Kobe (near the Kobe-Kosoku Shinkaichi station)

I didn't spent much time there before a tout invited me. The name of the place is Wedding Bell and I remembered that a previous post said it was gaijin-friendly. So I thought: « why not ».

I went there after 5pm and so I took the 70min option for 20, 000 Yen. I asked the staff about the other prices but the only difference is the time you spent. I didn't ask to choose the lady (big mistake!) but they said, in japanglish, that I couldn't change (which I understood at the time as that I can't have two ladies, one after the other, but I'm not sure anymore).

I just waited a few minutes with a glass of ice tea before going to a room with a huge bathroom and being introduced to my « companion ». Her name is Ran, and if for the website she's a glamour one, I still have a hard time to understand where her glamour is. For me, she's just an average 30+years old lady without anything special. She was at least friendly and we talked a bit before starting

I have to say that it was my first time in a true Japanese sopaland. In Tokyo, I went a few times at the now defunct Trinity (Otsuka) who was some kind of a Korean soapland (pretty good for the price). Soapland is, I think, a must-do in Japan even if it's a bit expensive. Being entirely washed by a pretty lady, take a bath with her and then play with her on a air mattress must be a really nice experience.

Well, it was pretty much like this except that she wasn't pretty, or even GF. But she knew what she had to do and after a good wash and some play time (BBBJ, paipai) on the mattress, we went to the bed. There, I got a BBBJ and FS (I didn't ask for it but it seems perfectly normal for her). I didn't really enjoy the FS and it take long before I manage to cum.

After that, shower, a little chat while drinking a Coke and the time was up.

So what to say? For the price, it wasn't a good experience. But she told me that she and others girls had foreigners clients (mostly Asians) so the shop is definitvely gaijin-friendly. And after looking at the website, I think there may be good potentiel in this shop. Now, I don't know exactly what sort of girls we can get there, so if anyone want to try and tell us, they're more than welcome.

Website: http://w-bell.net/home/index.html

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Lion
02-24-10, 03:30
Like a lot of people, I'm a long time lurker of this board. But from now, I will try to contribute a little.

For information, I'm an average white-gaijin with an average level of Japanese (don't have any problem in daily life) and currently living in Kansai.

So today, after reading the post of Lion, I decided to see by myself the soapland district of Kobe (near the Kobe-Kosoku Shinkaichi station)

I didn't spent much time there before a tout invited me. The name of the place is Wedding Bell and I remembered that a previous post said it was gaijin-friendly. So I thought: « why not ».

I went there after 5pm and so I took the 70min option for 20, 000 Yen. I asked the staff about the other prices but the only difference is the time you spent. I didn't ask to choose the lady (big mistake!) but they said, in japanglish, that I couldn't change (which I understood at the time as that I can't have two ladies, one after the other, but I'm not sure anymore).

I just waited a few minutes with a glass of ice tea before going to a room with a huge bathroom and being introduced to my « companion ». Her name is Ran, and if for the website she's a glamour one, I still have a hard time to understand where her glamour is. For me, she's just an average 30+years old lady without anything special. She was at least friendly and we talked a bit before starting

I have to say that it was my first time in a true Japanese sopaland. In Tokyo, I went a few times at the now defunct Trinity (Otsuka) who was some kind of a Korean soapland (pretty good for the price). Soapland is, I think, a must-do in Japan even if it's a bit expensive. Being entirely washed by a pretty lady, take a bath with her and then play with her on a air mattress must be a really nice experience.

Well, it was pretty much like this except that she wasn't pretty, or even GF. But she knew what she had to do and after a good wash and some play time (BBBJ, paipai) on the mattress, we went to the bed. There, I got a BBBJ and FS (I didn't ask for it but it seems perfectly normal for her). I didn't really enjoy the FS and it take long before I manage to cum.

After that, shower, a little chat while drinking a Coke and the time was up.

So what to say? For the price, it wasn't a good experience. But she told me that she and others girls had foreigners clients (mostly Asians) so the shop is definitvely gaijin-friendly. And after looking at the website, I think there may be good potentiel in this shop. Now, I don't know exactly what sort of girls we can get there, so if anyone want to try and tell us, they're more than welcome.

Website: http://w-bell.net/home/index.html



Glad to know it is still foreign friendly, even if the girl choice was just so-so.
Since they usually downgrade ages of anyone over 25 by a few years, it seems the website is semi-accurate. But those picts can be deceiving, no doubt, especially with the face obscured and no much skin showing.

Izanagi
02-24-10, 07:54
I went again to the soapland district of Kobe (Kobe-Kosoku Shinkaichi station), but this time, I was looking for something less expensive. After walking a bit, I found myself in front of a small Fashion health shop called Color, where the color of my skin didn't seem to bother anyone.

I took the 25min course for 5000 yen (30min/6000, 40min/7500, 50min/9000; you can choose your girl for an additional 1000 yen and/or buy a beer for 500 yen). I have just have time to finish my free drink that I was called and went pass a black curtain. There is 5 booths in this place. It's not only a sofa but some kind of small room with a bed. It's a lot more intimate than JanJan (Tokyo – Sugamo) and look a bit like a Chinese esute.

The girl? Well, probably 30 years old or a little more, not really cute but a nice body and good tits.

Sadly, I can't remember her name.

We both stripped entirely, then DFK and a long and sweet BBBJ while I fondled her tits. I finally CIM and got cleaned by her. No hurry at all (I probably spend more than my 25min), a friendly lady and a GFE. She told me that I was her first foreigner customer and that the business is really slow now.

Overall, a good experience for a fair price. I will probably go back to try another girl.

A map of the shop and the district ( http://syakou.net/ ) and some informations on the shop ( http://syakou.net/color.html - there wasn't a 20min course when I was there)

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Lion
02-25-10, 02:58
I went again to the soapland district of Kobe (Kobe-Kosoku Shinkaichi station), but this time, I was looking for something less expensive. After walking a bit, I found myself in front of a small Fashion health shop called Color, where the color of my skin didn't seem to bother anyone.

I took the 25min course for 5000 yen (30min/6000, 40min/7500, 50min/9000; you can choose your girl for an additional 1000 yen and/or buy a beer for 500 yen). I have just have time to finish my free drink that I was called and went pass a black curtain. There is 5 booths in this place. It's not only a sofa but some kind of small room with a bed. It's a lot more intimate than JanJan (Tokyo – Sugamo) and look a bit like a Chinese esute.


Ta for TTFTT.

I found more info on Color. Looks like a discount of 1,000 might be available.

The average age of the girls is 30+, so it doesn't surprise me they are taking foreigners now. The cheaper places with older Japanese (or younger Chinese) ladies tend to be the first allow non-Japanese in. This is especially true in times of hard economy.

All this is good news for us, but PLEASE remember to maintain yourself and follow basic rules:

1. Understand enough Japanese to comprehend the system and say what you want.
2. Accept the service provided and don't push for more unless it is an option on the written menu or the girl suggests it herself.
3. Be clean, dress decently
4. Don't go drunk

Click Hyogo, then scroll down and Color is near the bottom.
http://fu-rakuchin.com/system/

Of course if you speak some Japanese, then DH is the way to get young cuties. However once hotel costs are included expect to pay 13,000-18,000/hr for late 20s and 17,000-20,000 for real hotties.

Izanagi
02-25-10, 04:16
Ta for TTFTT.

I found more info on Color. Looks like a discount of 1,000 might be available.

The average age of the girls is 30+, so it doesn't surprise me they are taking foreigners now. The cheaper places with older Japanese (or younger Chinese) ladies tend to be the first allow non-Japanese in. This is especially true in times of hard economy.

All this is good news for us, but PLEASE remember to maintain yourself and follow basic rules:

1. Understand enough Japanese to comprehend the system and say what you want.
2. Accept the service provided and don't push for more unless it is an option on the written menu or the girl suggests it herself.
3. Be clean, dress decently
4. Don't go drunk

Click Hyogo, then scroll down and Color is near the bottom.
http://fu-rakuchin.com/system/

Of course if you speak some Japanese, then DH is the way to get young cuties. However once hotel costs are included expect to pay 13,000-18,000/hr for late 20s and 17,000-20,000 for real hotties.Thanks for the link and your advices, Lion.

As for me, I'm looking more for Fashion Health/Pink salon places than DH.

I will probably also try around Sannomiya (Kobe) and Umeda/Namba (Osaka) to see what is now possible for a foreigner. I think that with the bad shape of the Japanese economy, and if you beheave correctly, it's a good time to search for new places.

Izanagi
02-25-10, 12:38
I'm going to post about some experiences I had this past 6 months. It may not be so accurate anymore (things change fast in this business) but I still think that it would help a little.

First, the famous Tobita RLD. I will start with general informations and thoughts, then I will review some of the girls and shops. There is already a lot of reports about Tobita so you may also want to read the others as well but I think that a summary is always useful.

What is Tobita?

Tobita is a district in the south of Osaka, near Tennoji. It's by far the most famous RLD in Osaka with at least 90 good shops (each shop has 2 or 3 girls) and even with the current state of the economy, the place is, at night, full of Japanese men.

There is in fact two Tobita. One, on the south of the main road (? The one with a police box), is where you find the older/fatter girls. I only went there once, my first time in Tobita, because I was lost. Except if you have some fetishes, there is no point to go there. Even the prices are not really better (just 1000 yen cheaper)

The other Tobita (the one in the north east, just after the aerial highway, in green on the map) is the place to go.

You can see a map there:

http://ero2.ath.cx/up/2008/04/2008041303.jpg

There is two long streets crossed by two smaller ones.

The main street, on the map?, is the one where you can see a clock at the end. In some report, it was called "Smoking Hot Blvd" which I think is a pretty good description, especially for the first two-third of the street.

The other streets also got good-looking girls but if as a foreigner, you get better chances in the second long street (?) I only have a moderate success on the smaller ones.

The shops are all almost identical. The front of the shop is a open-space where the girl is waiting on a cushion while the mama-san seat in one corner next to the entry, looking for clients. All the shops have a second floor (you can see the stairs from the streets) with the rooms where the action take place.

Most of the girls do nothing but smile and try to be as cute (kawaii) as possible. Very few take sexy pose. It's the mama-san that will invite you in the place with a "dozo" (please). If you're lucky.

You can only see one girl at the time but the shops have more than one girl working there and when one is busy with a customer another one take her place.

Well it used to be like that when I first went to Tobita three years ago. Now, it seems that a lot of place have only one girl working at the time so if there is already a customer, there is no one on the front except the mama-san (or maybe a small dog.).

How to go there?

http://www.tokyosecret.tv/wiki/index.php?%E9%A3%9B%E7%94%B0%E6%96%B0%E5%9C%B0

The easiest way is to take the Osaka Midosuji subway line (the red one) and get off at Dobutsuen-mae (M-22). At the station, take the exit n°1 and after the ticket gate, the stairs on your right. There, you can see on your left a shopping arcade. The place is a bit creepy but it's safe. Walk all your way until you find a Pachinko on your right (blue on the map of the first link, it should take 5min or more from the station). Take the next street on your left (not the one with the other shopping arcade) and after a bit, you will reach the good Tobita.

Prices and services?

When you have made your choice and see with the mama-san/girl if your Gaijin face aren't a problem, you remove your shoes, put on slippers and follow the girl upstairs. She lead you to the room. You remove the slippers, enter the room and go seat on one of the cushions next to the table. All the rooms are pretty much the same: a Japanese-style room with a small table and a futon or sheets laid on the floor as a bed. It's a lot bigger than what you find in a Chinese esute.

Once inside the room, the girl will ask you how long you want to stay.

The prices are:

15min/11000 Yen

20min/16000

30min/21000

45min/31000

60 min/41000

Sometimes the girl shows you a list of the prices that start at 20/16000 but you can ask for just the 15/11000 course.

You pay directly the girl. She will then go out of the room and come back with your change and a drink, small snacks and candies. You chat a bit and she ask you to undress. Some girls stripped directly in the room but most will let you alone while they undress and prepare themselves outside. After that, you lay on the 'bed' and the show starts.

The service are always: BJ + FS

No shower, the girl just clean you with a wet towel before and after the action.

The quality of service may change a lot. There is no general rule, it all depend of the girl. You can have a stunner with a GF attitude or a so-so girl with a dead fish look. Even paying more will not guarantee you an excellent experience. But I never have bad experience at Tobita.

About the BJ:

I used to think that BBBJ was the norm and that CBJ was a sort of discrimination against foreigners. But after reading Japanese forums, I realized that even Japanese men get sometimes CBJ so it's only up to the girl.

Some girls/mama-sans ask you in the beginning if "condom is ok". That may mean CBJ but sometimes they only speak about the FS.

About the FS:

I had few girls (two if I remember) that didn't allow more than one position. Otherwise, it's pretty much like you want as long as the girl is Ok with it (DATY, 69, paipai.). Of course, no anal.

Note that you are supposed to cum as fast as you can, not to try to please the girl. No much of an obligation but it's the Japanese way.

When your time is up, you hear a small bell. Time to finish and to dress up.

Best time to go?

There is two ways:

- you want to have more "dozo": then, better go when they are as few people as possible. It means before 6-7pm, and avoid Friday/sat. /Sunday night as well as the end of the month.

It's the advice of some of the people of this board (like Azure Knight) and it's probably a wise attitude because you'll get a far better "dozo" ratio. But you also see less good-looking girls.

- you want to see stunning girls: and feel like being in a (adult) candy store, then go when it's full (especially Friday/Saturday night). The best looking girls work theses nights, and it's really a pleasure to see all of theses ladies. I write "see" because your "dozo" rate will be awful (10% or less) and it's not a so good experience to look at all theses beauties, most of them out of your reach. But after all, you just need one green light from a cute girl.

Also note that is a pain in the ass to walk in Tobita at theses times with all the cars and Japanese men.

How to maximize the "dozo" rate?

Look as much Japanese as you can!

- Go with a Japanese friend: it opens all the doors

- Learn enough Japanese to be able to understand the rules and to chat a bit with the girls/mama-sans

- Shave and dress well: a suit is a plus; and NEVER go there drunk!

- Act like you know what is going on there. Do not look like a lost tourist.

- Smile and try to be as gentle and well-mannered as possible! Most foreigners may look pretty scary for a young Japanese girl.

- Say "hello" (konnichiwa/konbanwa): it's just a small word but it may put you as potentiel customer, and not just a visual nuisance.

- Don't stay too close to Japanese men: Japaneses are always a better choice than you, so the mama-sans will not want to frighthen their potentiel Japanese customers by inviting you.

- Don't go when most of the Japanese go (after 7pm, Friday/sat/Sunday nights, end of the month)

Depending of the time you go, your ratio may vary between 50% and 2-3%.

Even if the mama-san didn't give you a dozo, if the girl smiles to you or look interested, there may be hope (at least in Tobita, the girl seems to have the last word; in Matsushima, another Osaka RLD near the Kujo station, the girl was ok with me but the mama-san refused me).

And if neither the mama-san nor the girl do anything in your direction, you still have a chance but be prepared to face a "No Gaijin".

Well, I'ts all for the general stuff.

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Izanagi
02-25-10, 13:58
After the general stuff, here some girls I had the last 6 months.

It's Tobita (BJ+FS) so I don't think that I need to go into too much details.

A few shops open early (10am) but don't expect a lot of action before 4-5pm.

Note also that some girls wear special outfit (schoolgirl, nurse...) which can be interesting.

Here the map with the Japanese names of the shops :
http://ero2.ath.cx/up/2008/04/2008041303.jpg

Name of the Girl (Name of the shop) :

Yuko (Misato 美里 ) :

The shop is one on the right of the second block of the Hot Blvd. It seems most of the time gaijin-friendly.

Yuko is a bit older than the other girls in Tobita (probably near 30yrs old), but she's really pretty, have nice tits and is (gaijin) friendly. BBBJ and GFE.

Working time: from 5pm, everyday except Monday

Score: 8


Suzu (Ryuko 龍子 )

The shop is on the second block of the second long street (the one parallel to the Hot Blvd). It's the second one on the left. The shop is gaijin-friendly.

Suzu was already reviewed by Azure Knight in an old report (11-27-07 : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=671765&postcount=445 )

Nice girl with good tits but she doesn't seem to like when you touch them. BBBJ and overall a GFE.

Working time: from 10am to 4pm, everyday except Wednesday/Thursday

Score: 7


Hime (Ryuko 龍子 )

I still don't understand why I choosed her. Probably the nurse outfit. She is one of the fatter girls in Tobita. She has big tits (at least !) and she's really friendly. BBBJ and GFE.

Working time: from 4pm to last (0.00am), everyday except Monday/Tuesday

Score: 6


Ryo (Take tonbo 竹とんぼ )

The shop is on the left on the first of the two small streets, near the main road and just before a parking. Don't know how much gaijin-friendly it is.

A good looking 25+ years old lady. She has good tits (maybe not natural) and some scars on her belly. BBBJ but not really a GFE.

Working time: Tuesday/Wednesday/Friday/Saturday, from 3pm to last (0.00am) ; Thursday, from 5pm to last ; Day off, Monday/Sunday

Score: 6

Mirai (Yume 夢 )

The shop is on the second small street, near the second long street. It's the second shop on your right. Like the previous shop, it's hard to say if it's always gaijin-friendly.

A pretty and young (around 20yrs old) girl. Nice tits and lot of tattoos! Really exciting for me but not a GFE at all (she's one of the girls that didn't allowed me more than one position for FS) and CBJ. What surprised me is that she said she'll remember my name. I didn't go back since then but maybe it's possible to have a better experience with her if you're a regular.

Working days: Monday/Thursday/Friday/Sunday (No work hours but I went there around 8pm)

Score: 6

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Azure Knight
02-27-10, 19:53
Great reports Izanagi! I've sort of settled into a routine at Tobita, so I have nothing new to add. So its good to see some new members contributing new info.

Just FYI - all the girls only seem to get one day a week off, and the stunners all work from 5-12. So during the weekday you've got a good shot at getting a stunner, and its probably better chances than Fri/Sat.

I think I've been to all the shops you listed (how's Suzu doing?), so they're probably gaijin friendly in general. The mamasan at Ryuko was always nice. Aside from Suzu, I also had a girl named Makoto there, who was a hottie, but I don't know if she still works there. There's a shop right at the beginning or before Smoking Hot Blvd (I think before you get to the overpass) where the mamasan has always invited me in. Unfortunately, I usually have a set destination so I've never gone. Plus the girls are a bit bigger there.

Now I've just settled in with one girl/shop. Its working great for me - I get a major discount on time, the mamasan always fudges the time for me anyway, the girl is one of the hottest in all of Tobita, and the GFE, on a scale of 1-10, is about 15 (the last time I saw her...she fucked me. Literally. Like, she should have been the one paying...) I know her schedule, and I usually call ahead just to confirm that she's going to be there.

Whatever you do gentlemen, treat Tobita well and it will treat you well in return.

Sound7
02-27-10, 20:55
What is a DH place?

Thanks


Thanks for the link and your advices, Lion.

As for me, I'm looking more for Fashion Health/Pink salon places than DH.

I will probably also try around Sannomiya (Kobe) and Umeda/Namba (Osaka) to see what is now possible for a foreigner. I think that with the bad shape of the Japanese economy, and if you beheave correctly, it's a good time to search for new places.

Sexpanther
02-28-10, 04:08
I am new to the ISG community and haven't experimented with the many wonders of the Japanese flesh hobby but I hope to change that in the future and report about it here.

I was wondering if anyone knew of a fun strip club or sekuKyaba (Sexy Kabakura) in the Kansai area. I have read the thread but haven't found anything promising since most members are more interested in other services (and rightfully so). I used to enjoy wild nights at the old Apollo building in Sakuragawa but since the Osaka city crackdown on certain pink establishments, it hasn't been the same. I have also tried UruUru on Soemoncho which is fun but doesn't provide the amount of naked flesh viewing my mates and I have become accustomed to.

If you know of a nice place where you can drink beers, watch and grope some naked girls I would be really grateful.

I will post more on other subjects soon.

Zcorps
02-28-10, 04:24
Good stuff Izanagi. Just some thoughts I'd like to express on this subject.

I'm one of the few foreigners who gets a near 100% call rate. I'm half Filipino, and I do fairly well there. Going in a suit is a plus, but not wearing a suit isn't a deal breaker. Sometimes I go in my normal clothing.The most important things is to look well put together. Don't look sloppy. It should go without saying that if you look really unkempt in a suit, you're going to have a low call rate.

As for bringing a Japanese friend. I've gone in a group of myself, an Australian, and a Japanese guy. When my Japanese friend was near the Aussie, there wasn't a single dozo heading our way. Overall his call rate didn't seem to improve. That being said, he did manage to get a store to accept him by talking with them in the aussie's stead. So I don't think being with a Japanese guy will help your call rates, but he might be able to convince the store you're an ok guy.

Also, you might want to bring your own condoms as Japanese ones tend to be small. This is true for Japan in general, not just Tobita.

P.S.
I went ahead and put your report in the reports of distinction thread. Hope you don't mind. Had a lot of good info, and that map is awesome.

Izanagi
02-28-10, 05:47
What is a DH place?

ThanksSorry, Sound7, DH alone may look a bit hard to understand.

DH means Deli-heru? (contraction of Delivery Health). It's not a place, just a company that you contact only by phone (or if you are already a regular, by internet).

You can find a short definition on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/delivery_health

As you have to call the DH company in Japanese, it's only for people with a good level in this language. But like Lion said earlier, you can find real hotties if they accept you (and if you pay the price).

An example:

Asian Mystique (in English because it's for foreigner in Japan)

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=980512&postcount=6982

Hoteru-heru? (Hotel Health) means that there is a physical place where you can go to arrange the details and then meet the girl and go together to the Love Hotel.

There are of course fewer than DH companies.

Some examples:

Freajia (Osaka)

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=773659&postcount=577

Or Grimpeur (Tokyo)

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=887357&postcount=6059

There is also Fashion Health (Fasshon Herusu,?) where you do the action in the place itself and you don't need to go to a Love hotel. It's for a shorter time than DH or HH (20-30min in comparison with 60+min for DH/HH) and so, it's a lot cheaper (5000-7000 yen when DH/HH is at least 12000 Yen and more).

The Wikipedia definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion_health

An example:

Color (Kobe)

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=991367&postcount=900

Please note that in theory, the services are just BJ, DATY, 69. Everything but FS (strictly forbidden by Japanese law) and anal (don't know of any place that offer anal in Japan.).

Well, in fact, FS depends of the girl: she may or may not let you do it. You can always ask nicely but you have to understand that it's not what you pay for.

Izanagi
02-28-10, 05:58
I am new to the ISG community and haven't experimented with the many wonders of the Japanese flesh hobby but I hope to change that in the future and report about it here.

I was wondering if anyone knew of a fun strip club or sekuKyaba (Sexy Kabakura) in the Kansai area. I have read the thread but haven't found anything promising since most members are more interested in other services (and rightfully so). I used to enjoy wild nights at the old Apollo building in Sakuragawa but since the Osaka city crackdown on certain pink establishments, it hasn't been the same. I have also tried UruUru on Soemoncho which is fun but doesn't provide the amount of naked flesh viewing my mates and I have become accustomed to.

If you know of a nice place where you can drink beers, watch and grope some naked girls I would be really grateful.

I will post more on other subjects soon.Sexpanther, I never went to a Sexy Kabakura so I don't know if it's what you-re looking for but I recently found theses sites :

http://www.kujo-os.com/index1.html (Kujo -Osaka)

http://www.juso-mc.com/main.html (Juso -Osaka)

And from some links posted by in the Kyoto (only) board :

http://www.dx-tohji.co.jp/ (Kyoto)

http://www.gekijou.net/kinki.html (short list of links for places in the Kinki area)

( http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=991415&postcount=133 )

Izanagi
02-28-10, 06:51
Azure Knight, Zcorps, thank you both for yours messages and precisions. I always learn a lot from yours reports.

By the way, please excuse my English. It isn't my native language and I'm not sure that what I write may not look a bit strange for native speakers.

I agree with you Azure Knight that when you find a (really) good girl in Tobita it's wise to stick with her because the more you go, the better it is. A few years ago, I found a girl like this but since I came back in Japan (half a year ago) I can't manage to find anything that make me want to go often (except maybe one girl in Matsushima).

I have some questions for the people of this board.

About the shops:

I never had a 100% calling rate (or even a 80%+) like Zcorps. Most of the time, it's something around 50%. But I find it pretty difficult to have any success with the first shops of the Hot Blvd (the ones next to the overpass). Is it just me or does it also happen to some of you?

About the price/time:

When I first go with a girl, I tend to choose only the 15min/11000yens course. I had nice experiences this way but recently, it seem to not be the case at all.

Does going to the 20min/15000 a better choice? Or is it just bad luck?

About condoms:

I don't remember having a bad time with the condoms used in Tobita, but I never go to the Love Hotel without my own condoms. By habit, I always buy Durex but they're pretty expensive in Japan (I buy them in a Condomania shop). Does someone know another good brand or a way to get them cheaper (I heard that Don Quijote may be a good place)?

Sorry for all the questions and thanks Zcorps for putting my report in the reports of distinction thread. I will post soon about Matsushima but I still can't find a good map of the area.

Izanagi
02-28-10, 07:25
Matsushima is another RLD in Osaka. There are less shops than in Tobita but more girls by shops (3-4 girls at least).

http://www.tokyosecret.tv/wiki/index.php?%E6%9D%BE%E5%B3%B6%E6%96%B0%E5%9C%B0

You can access it from the Kujo station (Osaka Chuo Line – C14 or Hanshin Namba Line)

From the subway station, take the exit n°6 and at the bottom of the stairs, you'll see a convenience store, just next the entry of a shopping arcade (there is a MacDonald on the opposite side of the arcade). Go to the left and walk until you find the street with the Tropical hotel (it's not so far).

From the Hanshin station, take the exit n°1 and after the stairs, go to the right (don't cross the street). You'll see the MacDonald and the shopping arcade on your right. Continue to walk until you find the street with the Tropical hotel.

The street with these Tropical hotel is the main street of Matsushima, but there is also shops on the adjacent streets.

It's the same services than in Tobita (BJ+FS) and what I wrote about Tobita may also apply for Matsushima. One of the main differences is that the all the girls available (3 most of the time) sit behind a counter so you just see the upper part of theirs bodies.

The place is far quieter than Tobita probably because the girls are not as good looking. If in Tobita you can find 8-9, at Matsushima, there is nothing beyond 7-8. And as a foreigner, you will have a less «*dozo*» ratio there than in Tobita. Be aware that in some shops, the mama-san will refuse you even if the girl is Ok and sometimes, it's the girl that will say no while the mama-san called you.

So why bother with this place ?

- it's cheaper : 20min/10000 Yen, 30min/15000...
- you can get a shower (before and/or after)
- the girl are more friendly (in general)
- there is far less Japanese men (and fewer cars!)
- it may be easier to go there than to Tobita (especially if you live near a station of the Hanshin line)

Now about some girls :

Name of the girl (Name of the shop)

Mai (Emi 微笑 )

The shop is on the left of the main street, in the middle of the second block of shops.

The girl is cute and young, but don't have so much tits. She's friendly and pretty funny. DFK, BBBJ and GFE.

Day off: Wednesday

Score : 7

Wakana (Komonata コモナータ )

The shop is on the third street on the left of the main one. It's a small street. The shop is on a corner in the street.

A pretty young girl with a skin darker than most of the Japanese girls. Nice body and tits. Not really GFE. CBJ. The FS was so-so.

Score : 6

Sora (Kinito 金糸 )

The shop is just after Komonata on the same small street. It's pretty much Gaijin-friendly. The mama-sans are really nice.

She was only working for one week in the shop when I first met her. Cute girl, 25 years old, small tits and really tight (at this time). One of the best GFE I had in a long time and good FS.
She was just doing this as a part-job so I'm not sure that she's working there anymore.

Score : 8

Yuki (Kinito 金糸 )

Young girl, not so cute and a small chest. She's really really nice, funny and friendly. DFK, very good FS and GFE. She take one day off by week but it's not always the same every time.

Working hours : from 3pm to 10pm

Score: 7

Izanagi
02-28-10, 09:04
It's not much of a report, just informations about the Amagasaki RLD. I only passed there once but didn't have time to try. It's a small RLD like Tobita or Matsushima (= BJ+FS).

The name of the place is Kannami かんなみ

http://www.tokyosecret.tv/wiki/index.php?%E3%81%8B%E3%82%93%E3%81%AA%E3%81%BF%E6%96%B0%E5%9C%B0

(Azure Knight posted a translation of the website, two years ago:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=706648&postcount=518 )

The nearer station, 5-10min by walk, is the Hanshin Deyashiki station. Take the East exit and after the stairs, you should see a MacDonald and a traffic circle.
Take the large street (it's a bit on the right/east of the station) and go north. You'll see a primary school on your left. Walk a bit more and turn right at the next street (not the one just after the school ; there should be a chinese/soba restaurant with a yellow sign on the corner: http://gourmet.yahoo.co.jp/0002473456/ ). Here is Kannami.

As only omnibus (futsu) trains stop at this station, you may just get off at the Hanshin Amagasaki station. It's a bit far (at least 15min by walk) but not so hard to find. Take the north exit and go to the left. You will see a shopping arcade ( 尼崎中央商店街 ) with a Matsuya restaurant at the entry. Enter the arcade and walk all the way until you get out (the last shop on your right is a pachinko ; it should take you 10min). Turn left (on the side of a parking lot) and at the next street, turn right. You have found Kannami.

Kannami is pretty small in comparison with Tobita or Matsushima. Like Matsushima, the girls sit behind a counter but it's not as easy to see the girls from the street. The shops don't have a open-space like the two others RLD and most of the time, you can only look through the opening door to see the girls. The mama-sans and a few girls sit outside, just in front of the shop. The RLD seems more friendly (for the Japanese !) than Tobita or Matsushima and I saw a lot of people simply talking outside.

A map of the area: http://matsushima.h.fc2.com/kannami.jpg

The girls are not as good-looking as the ones in Tobita and probably on par with Matsushima which means 7-8 but not more.

The prices are cheaper (30min/10000Yen), but no shower. The action seems to start pretty late, from 7pm.

Is it Gaijin-friendly ?

It's the most important question but I have to say that I don't know. All the others RLD (Tobita, Matsushima, Shinodayama...) have gaijin-friendly shops so there is probably some hope at Kannami.

I want to try it in the future but it's not really on my top list at the moment. So It would you be nice to know if anyone went there, and how was the experience.

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Kogaratsu
02-28-10, 12:43
Hi all,

I read with pleasyre all your reports.

I tried some deriheru in Kyoto and KoB.

In 2 days, I will be in Osaka and, before leaving japan, I woyld like to taste a mature japanese woman (jukujo).

The problem is that my japanese is really bad.

How can I find a woman like that, if possible an escort.

If you have some contacts, please tell me.

Thanks all.

Kogaratsu
02-28-10, 13:37
Hi all,

I Will be in few days in Osaka.

I would like to meet some mature japanese women.

I was in deriheru in Kyoto and Kobe but before leaving Japan, I would like to try an old one.

Do you have some address or contact to suggest me?

I am not skilled in japanese.

Thanks to you.

Izanagi
03-01-10, 00:47
Hi all,

I Will be in few days in Osaka.

I would like to meet some mature japanese women.

I was in deriheru in Kyoto and Kobe but before leaving Japan, I would like to try an old one.

Do you have some address or contact to suggest me?

I am not skilled in japanese.

Thanks to you.If you're looking for a mature Japanese lady in Osaka, you may try Freajia (Hotel health) :

http://www.osaka-093.com/fa/pc/umd/index.html

It's in Umeda (near the JR Osaka-eki)

There is a lot of reports in this board so you better read them before going. I should warn you, the girls are not very pretty but it's cheap.

Another option is Ikenai Okusan :
http://ikenai.jp/main.html

A report of Grossman : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=891750&postcount=745

It's a DH and HH place (Umeda/Juso). The girls are younger and cuter than in Freajia so it's more expensive and you probably need a better level in Japanese (just very basic Japanese is enought for Freajia, I think).

You said that you already try DH in Kyoto and Kobe so you should be able to get what you want at least in Freajia.

It would also be nice if you can write, even a little, about yours experiences in Kyoto, Kobe and hopefully Osaka. Hearing about the adventures of others mongerers is always a pleasure !

Take care.

Gaijin Otoko
03-01-10, 04:25
Hi all,

I Will be in few days in Osaka.

I would like to meet some mature japanese women.

I was in deriheru in Kyoto and Kobe but before leaving Japan, I would like to try an old one.

Do you have some address or contact to suggest me?

I am not skilled in japanese.

Thanks to you.

Search this forum for Freajia. That should suit your needs perfectly.

Lion
03-01-10, 05:11
Sorry, Sound7, DH alone may look a bit hard to understand.


There is also Fashion Health (Fasshon Herusu,?) where you do the action in the place itself...

Please note that in theory, the services are just BJ, DATY, 69. Everything but FS (strictly forbidden by Japanese law) and anal (don't know of any place that offer anal in Japan.).

Well, in fact, FS depends of the girl: she may or may not let you do it. You can always ask nicely but you have to understand that it's not what you pay for.

There are places that specialize in anal, but best to call before going. Girls tend to be less attractive, older (and bigger), and are sometimes less worried about foreigners.

There are also Pink Salons, which are basically the same as Fashion Health but slightly cheaper and smaller.

Izanagi
03-01-10, 08:07
There are places that specialize in anal, but best to call before going. Girls tend to be less attractive, older (and bigger), and are sometimes less worried about foreigners.

There are also Pink Salons, which are basically the same as Fashion Health but slightly cheaper and smaller.Red Room in Kobe (Sannomiya) seems to offer anal if the AF really means this. Never tried, don't really want to, so I don't have a clue about what you got and if it's Gaijin-friendly.

http://www.redroom-kobe.com/

Yes, as far as I understand it, Pink salons are simply BJ places with less possibilities/space than a Fashion Health.

By the way, does someone know a place like JanJan in the Kansai area ?

I'm not the biggest fan of the shop (arrgg, I really miss Supergirls...) but it's the cheapest place I know in all Japan.

Zcorps
03-01-10, 08:22
Another option is Ikenai Okusan :
http://ikenai.jp/main.html

A report of Grossman : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=891750&postcount=745

It's a DH and HH place (Umeda/Juso). The girls are younger and cuter than in Freajia so it's more expensive and you probably need a better level in Japanese (just very basic Japanese is enought for Freajia, I think).


Ikenai Okusan specializes in "house wives" they are generally younger and prettier than Freajia, but they are not young. Also I I'm almost positive that they require a high level of Japanese. Go check for yourself though.

Sexpanther
03-06-10, 05:33
A couple of weeks ago I had a terrible experience at a place that appeared quite intriguing on Sennichimae street between Namba and Nippombashi.

I had walked by the place many times and had thought about investigating almost every time I walked by with some extra time on my hands and money in my pocket.

The place is advertised as a Health GoGo. Naively, I thought it might be something similar to the New Hot Point in Tokyo. I pictured some women stripping on a stage while another women came around to each patron and "gave them some form of satisfaction" If any of you have read about New Hot Point in Tokyo you will understand what I had in mind.

Well, it wasn't what I had in mind and was actually the most depressing Pay for Play experiences I've ever had. The surly doorman, who wasn't overly pleased to see a foreigner should have been my first sign to bail out. But I persevered, paid the 5000 yen and went inside. I was shown to a small booth in a really dark and depressing room. There was no show, or stage for that matter. After a couple of minutes one of the staff came and saw me. I inquired about the GoGo show and was told there was no suck thing. Ok, this was starting to get shitty. Finally after talking at her (couldn't actually see her though I am sure she was unattractive)for some time I realized that I would have to pay 200yen more simply to get a handjob from this woman that I wasn't attracted to at all. I paid, like a fool, got my handjob and left.

The moral of the story is talk to the doorman or follow your gut instinct when checking out new places because there are a lot of shit places out there with very little concern for customer satisfaction.

Also, I would love to check out a Pink Salon in Kyobashi or Juso. Has anybody had any experiences there in those types of establishments?

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Josh63
03-16-10, 20:17
Search this forum for Freajia. That should suit your needs perfectly.I recently tried Freajia. Found the place easily enough, thanks to the excellent directions elsewhere in this forum. Alas my Japanese language skills are almost totally lacking. And that is not enough to be serviced there. The guy repeatedly gestured that I would not be helped and very politely showed me to the door. Of course I stayed polite as well.

Frustrating that there still is no place in Osaka for gaijin that do not speak Japanese. Is Tokyo so much more open, or can't I just not find a place? (like JanJan for example?)

Gaijin Otoko
03-18-10, 12:28
Frustrating that there still is no place in Osaka for gaijin that do not speak Japanese. Is Tokyo so much more open, or can't I just not find a place? (like JanJan for example?)

That's strange. There have been several on this board who claimed not to speak Japanese who have been serviced at Freajia. Perhaps there was something going on that night, like all of the girls were fully booked. Since there was a linguistic impasse, we will never know.

Of course, if one thinks of it logically, it makes perfect sense that Japanese establishments would not want customers who don't speak Japanese. They exist in a gray world between legality and illegality, and as such, clear communication is key.

And it is Japan. The domestic market is large enough to accommodate thousands of entrants. Foreigners are high-maintenance and typically want to pay less than their Japanese counterparts. Who would want to serve that market?

Try Craigslist. It's quite sparse, but every so often you get English speaking women who are freelancing.

Xslikx
03-18-10, 12:44
Frustrating that there still is no place in Osaka for gaijin that do not speak Japanese. Is Tokyo so much more open, or can't I just not find a place? (like JanJan for example?)

From Osaka, there are three red light districts that you can get to by train that have some hot girls some of whom will service gaijin. (Tobita-shinchi, Mastujima-shinchi and kannami-shinchi to name the largest.) I'm not aware of any BJ bars (pink salons) that service gaijin in the area, but it's Kansai, so try out some of the local red light districts before they get cleaned up.

Here's a video of Tobita, the most famous, on a typical night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKQOamvpyYQ&feature=related

Member #3439
03-18-10, 16:16
I recently tried Freajia. Found the place easily enough, thanks to the excellent directions elsewhere in this forum. Alas my Japanese language skills are almost totally lacking. And that is not enough to be serviced there. The guy repeatedly gestured that I would not be helped and very politely showed me to the door. Of course I stayed polite as well.

Frustrating that there still is no place in Osaka for gaijin that do not speak Japanese. Is Tokyo so much more open, or can't I just not find a place? (like JanJan for example?)

I concur with Xslikx on Tobita Shinchi. I am a white guy and have had FS from 4 hot young Japanese there in the past year or so, with nothing said, just a smile. Get off at Dobutsuen-mae station, use Exit 2, hang a right through the shabby covered strip mall as you come up the steps, then always stay to your left looking to your left until you come to a big intersection where you will see a big tall building to your left. Turn left there and just walk all over back there. If you can't find it, ask one of the local guys on bikes or whatever, Tobita Shinchi doko desu ka? They don't like gaijin around there, but the Japanese guys are all perverts just like us and it's a bond that defies racial prejudice. I've been helped to find places by locals before, like Tobita in Osaka and Kabukicho in Tokyo. Totally opposite places..haha.

Shops who invite you 'douzo' in will have a little sheet of paper in the room with the pricing on it. Service is 50/50 and I think is somewhat dependent on the time that you are booking. If you have a good feel about the girl, book a 30 minute or longer session instead of the 20 min salarymans special. I think you get better service that way. On twenty minute sessions that I booked, they would lay there like they are dead, but when I booked 30 minute sessions the girls would go apeshit on total GFE all the way. Probably due to the girl and just coincidental on the length of the session, but there must be some effect. I even found a swallower there. She rode me in a frenzy until she wore out, flipped to mish or doggy (I forget), and then as time ran out she sucked deepthroat and swallowed..must have a gaijin fetish or something.?

Do walk around a lot and see what's available. If not, you might miss the best streets. If you get a douzo, ackowledge the mama but pay close attention to the girl..is she also waving her hand for you to come in? If not, bow and keep moving. I think mamas will volunteer them for things they don't want. Rumor is that mamas used to be the girls on pillows and pressure the girls to step up to the plate. Yeah mama is old but maybe she used to work it and tells these girl to step up and make her some cash.

Backgrounder: Tobita Shinchi has been around for generations, these girl's great grandmas might have worked there. The girl you are about to fuck might have actually been concieved there by some horny J-monger 20 years ago, for that matter. Hos reproduce and raise more hos, that's my experience anywhere in the world. Some guys in Rio are making P4P hookups with the daughters of girls that they used to fuck 20 years ago. [but Rio mongers are hardcore :)] Needless to say, Tobita is a RLD steeped in history, still having the traditionalism of tatami mats and all that. I praise it after I said in other post that I'd never go there again (kritters), so call me a hypocrite, so be it.

Anyway, just because mama wants your business doesn't mean that the girls do, so look at their body language and eyes and see if they seem to want you too....And do be prepared to be laughed at...some mamas think gaijin are mistaken about getting laid there..but they are wrong. Mind your self. I caught Kansai kritters there last July. But that could happen anywhere you find Japanese girls and their wild jungle bushes.

As for Jan-Jan, I was just there tonight for the umpteenth time. Impressive as usual, even though I got a new face. Apparently there is a rigorous interview process, therefore, I have put in my resume and application at Jan-Jan for the position of human resources manager/interviewer based on my unique qualifications of having provided so many human resources (aka sperm) there. If Jan-Jan was in a third world nation, I'd get an a Nobel Prize for efforts to feed the hungry (my sperm of course.) :) I'm bad. I haven't found that much entertainment anywhere else in the Japan at that price level. If you find an equivalent somewhere, please let us know! but with the exception of that, Tokyo has nothing on Osaka. FS is much easier to get in Osaka. If I was recommending a short Japanese trip to someone, I'd say skip Tokyo, fly to KIX, bang some girls at Tobita, ride the train to Kyoto for real authentic J-tourism, come back to Osaka, bang some more chicks, and go home and tell everyone that you've 'done Japan' and you won't be lying. :) To me, Kyoto is the real Japan. If I don't see people shopping for groceries in kimonos, I conclude that the the area has been corrupted by the evil gaijin. My perception is that Japanese people all over participate in being westernized businesspeople and kawaii cutesy Japanese, but in reality they respect Kyoto and wish they could just be traditional. People in Tokyo, Kobe, and Yoko talk to me about bushido and shinto, and they always refer to the people in Kyoto as epitomizing the Japanese spirit..unfortunately this also mean that mongering in Kyoto SUCKS!!! :(

Naniwan
03-21-10, 23:56
I recently tried Freajia. Found the place easily enough, thanks to the excellent directions elsewhere in this forum. Alas my Japanese language skills are almost totally lacking. And that is not enough to be serviced there. The guy repeatedly gestured that I would not be helped and very politely showed me to the door. Of course I stayed polite as well.

Frustrating that there still is no place in Osaka for gaijin that do not speak Japanese. Is Tokyo so much more open, or can't I just not find a place? (like JanJan for example?)Wow, really? You sure you went into the right door (the one on the left at the end of the corridor, silver door. Goes be-be-be-beep when you open it)? The 2 doors on the opposite side will accept foreigners (I was asked in once) if you speak Japanese but without maybe no luck.

I'm surprised you got turned down at Freajia; I've seen a few foreigners there managers to get serviced by pointing and flashing money around!

Gaijin Otoko
03-24-10, 13:26
I just got back from a very nice, reasonably-priced FS experience in Umeda with a very pretty Chinese provider. Found it on my own, although I did a search of the forum just now and found it that it was identified previously. If anyone is interested to know where it is, send me a PM. They are very gaijin-friendly (or at least they were to me.)

Naniwan
04-10-10, 12:43
I just got back from a very nice, reasonably-priced FS experience in Umeda with a very pretty Chinese provider. Found it on my own, although I did a search of the forum just now and found it that it was identified previously. If anyone is interested to know where it is, send me a PM. They are very gaijin-friendly (or at least they were to me.)Kinbana? For a guess? :D

Gaijin Otoko
04-11-10, 04:54
Kinbana? For a guess? :D

No. I don't even know where Kinbana is, unless that was one of the names of Toukaen before it closed.

Bijinnampa
04-18-10, 22:49
Visited the Freajia in Umeda so many talked about the other day.

Nihongo is quite OK, so no problem getting in (should challenge myself to other places rather.).

Picked a lady. Not mention name, but listed as age 38, one of their top on list. Pretty face.

However, lets say that that the ladies are chronologically gifted. Saw another gal walking by, glad I did not get that obasan.

Service was. Hmm, no kissing!. CBJ. And very quickly C-honban. Dekaii (nice!) managed 2 shots. Guess I was horny. But felt uninspired for DATY or others. Optied for 75 mins, but her stopwatch was set at 50+10.

Conversation (all japanese) was fun, very nice gal, but I guess I was not there for a language class.

Would be interested in testing other places.

Naniwan
04-23-10, 01:52
Just a quick note to say Freajia is changing hands to Tsumaten (?) from the 1st of May (There's a bunch of these in Tani-9, Nipponbashi, etc).

I mailed my regular gal there and she seemed to think it would still be OK for foreigners especially if you're already a member, just that the courses and prices would change (check their other stores like gin-para and tsumaten; only very slight changes like no more 75 min courses but 70 mins for 9999 Yen).

I'll be there soon and also in May so I'll let you know. Should be OK though.

Bijinnampa: Sounds like Rina!

Gaijin Otako: I totally need to sign up for the site so I can PM. Kinbana is the old Toukaen though I've no idea if it's still there. I'm in that area often but haven't ventured down the little street there for a while.

Naniwan
04-23-10, 11:16
I was in Freajia today. Asked the staff and the tencho if foreigners are still OK from May. No problem.

Had fun with Maya today. 148cm tall with some massive titties. Good service, G-Honban, she's pushing 50 though but still pretty cute!

Bijinnampa
04-23-10, 16:51
I was in Freajia today. Asked the staff and the tencho if foreigners are still OK from May. No problem.

Had fun with Maya today. 148cm tall with some massive titties. Good service, G-Honban, she's pushing 50 though but still pretty cute!Yo Naniwan, nice guess concerning who I met; very nice gal though, pretty face, but would have liked to taste her pretty lips much more.

Maya sounds fun. If you do have any nice tip on cool girl, also AF, please feel free to mail.

BJN

Gentleman17
04-24-10, 15:49
I have been visiting Osaka occasionally for a couple of weeks at a time. I am an old fat married white guy from Massachusetts so am not trying to score for free. I don't speak Japanese at all. The attitude of Japanese towards sex (which I gather is: its OK to do it with anyone you like and as long as its discreet nobody cares) seems indeed "healthy" and great. There are tons of "delivery health" outcall businesses easily found online in Osaka. But only one that I've found speaks English, and it has only 2 girls in Osaka (more on that elsewhere).

Eventually I found http://japan-escort.net and it explained how to order a girl in English. But it doesn't work. When you call the number to confirm, you get a recorded message in Japanese. I got an acquaintance who speaks Japanese to call for me. A guy who spoke English called back and said 9 PM for 2 hours would be 45, 000 yen (about $480). He showed up with a girl at my hotel door at 9:45 with no apologies. I made sure to get a phone number. He collected 40, 000 yen up front and insisted that I tip her 5, 000 yen after. The girl was 30-ish, tall, spoke almost no English (no problem), good looking but no spring chicken (clear signs of having a child; turns out she has a 4 year old daughter). When I got out a condom she said "In Japan, no sex". I said "OK". We did everything else and she was very responsive and compliant, and I had a good time. Later my acquaintance said yes, delivery health is officially no sex. I didn't believe it would be that way in private but so it was.

OK, says I, its a bit expensive but fun so I'll get another girl. I phoned the number the guy gave me in person and got the same Japanese recording. Dead end. Frustration.

Well, today I got up my courage and took the train down to the Tobita brothel area after reading about it online. Wow, what a great experience, though a bit spendy ($225 for 30 min full service). The nice thing is you can select the girl you want. The area seemed totally clean and safe on a Saturday shortly before dusk. Best of all, about one-third of the shops smiled and invited me in (gaijin friendly) (the other 2/3 averted their eyes, clearly signaling me to move on).

The girl I chose was petite, very slender, gorgeous in face and body, enthusiastic, energetic, and all around wonderful. I'll describe the practical details of how to get there and the whole experience in a separate post.

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Gaijin Otoko
04-24-10, 23:35
Gaijin Otako: I totally need to sign up for the site so I can PM. Kinbana is the old Toukaen though I've no idea if it's still there. I'm in that area often but haven't ventured down the little street there for a while.

If you can find Kinbana (totally gone now, they've even remodeled the building), you can find the place I went. I just don't want to publicize it on the open list on the chance that some moron will go there and bollocks it up for the rest of us. Service is virtually the same as Kinbana/Toukaen/Toukakyo, and within a few thousand yen of the same price point. My service provider was very attractive, although too much eye makeup. Reasonably good quality BBBJ and CFS, especially considering the price. Extremely gaijin friendly.

Gentleman17
04-26-10, 13:03
I am happy to report that safer sex is easily available to foreign visitors to Osaka (gaijin) in April, 2010, even those who speak no Japanese. Osaka's Tobita Shinchi brothel district is alive and well in 2010. Although this neighborhood is described as lower working class (and probably is), I felt completely safe there on a Saturday afternoon just before dusk, and on a Sunday at dusk and shortly after dark.

WHAT TO EXPECT: Open double sliding doorways line the sidewalks on both sides. Over each doorway hangs a white paper lantern (often inside a plastic bag), and above that is a square white lighted sign with two Japanese characters. Inside the open doorway in plain sight are a mama-san, and an often beautiful young woman. There are some older or plump women too, mostly around the edges of the area. Well-dressed, affluent-looking young men were walking up and down, wearing suits and nice clothes on Saturday near dusk. On Sunday at dusk, the young men were mostly wearing blue jeans and casual shirts. Some clients were also trolling the area in taxis or cars (but the streets are narrow with little traffic). No street hookers, only sitting inside each doorway. Although in the adjacent shopping arcade and streets outside the brothel area, there are a few homeless or drunks, there were none in the brothel area. There is a police station on the corner of this area. I saw uniformed and helmeted men with clipboards (police? not sure) walking past the brothels and talking with the proprietors. Everything was clean, orderly, and pleasant, and totally out in the open.

HOW TO GET GAIJIN SERVICE: I am an overweight white male from the USA who looks 60-ish but am older. I was wearing blue jeans and a fleece jacket, and felt a little under-dressed. As I walked by each shop and smiled and nodded my head, about two-thirds of the time the women did not respond or looked away. I took these to be the gaijin unfriendly places. However, about one third smiled, waved, called out to me, and often the young lady smiled and looked invitingly right at me. One mama-san even said "Hello" in English. And several of the gaijin-friendly ones were quite good looking. After walking through the whole place about four times marveling at the sights, I chose the "Hello" shop where the young lady was petite, thin, and lovely. I stood politely outside the door, smiled, and said that I did not speak Japanese. The seated mama-san looked perplexed but the seated young lady began saying a few words in English, while giving me a brilliant smile. Not being rebuffed, I stepped just inside the threshold. I handed the young lady a piece of paper and a pen, and she said Thank You!

PRICES: She wrote "20 1,600" (20 minutes for about US $170). I wrote "30 min ?" and she added "21,000" (about $225). I said OK. (Later I saw signs: each additional 15 minutes is $110, so $330 for 45 min, and $440 for one hour. These prices have not changed for a decade or so, and seem to be uniform in Tobita.) She motioned me to ascend the stairs, after I removed my shoes.

SERVICE: At the top of the stairs, she invited me to use the toilet (yay! I needed to). The bathroom was spotless and odorless with toilet, urinal, and sink. From outside the bathroom (where she waited, just a curtain in the door) she handed me a moist washcloth. I had showered just before coming. She told me to go into room #3. (As I later confirmed, sometimes there may be more than one lady working in a shop, rotating. I never saw more than one in the open door though, and often the young lady's seat was empty, evidently because she, or all the ladies in the shop, were upstairs working.) The room was small and clean. On one side was a low table with cushions on each side. The young lady offered me iced tea and a cookie. I took off my clothes. She hung them up. On the other side was a futon and pillow. The only slightly grungy/worn things in the place were the towels laid over the futon and pillow. She stripped and wiped her privates conspicuously, then mine. I am a little larger than average and brought my own (Okamoto Mega Big Boy [in English!], black box with red print and photo of elephant, available in larger drugstores). She expertly applied one with her mouth and brought me to attention in a couple of minutes. She seemed to be in her early twenties and was absolutely gorgeous everywhere, a 10 on my scale. We went at it for 20 of my 30 min, she doing every position that I indicated. I was carefully watching the time. She was tight, energetic, enthusiastic, and wonderful. Of course there were little fake moans and of course I did not expect to get any real arousal out of her, though I tried briefly. I avoided cunnilingus and kissing for safety reasons, although from what I've read both are very low risk. I was careful to be covered for fellatio because there is significant risk from that, and studies show that about 10% of sex workers have pharyngeal gonorrhea or syphilis (I'll post separately on this). She lay on top of me and hugged whenever I asked. Afterwards, she cleaned me up with moist wipes, and handed me a moist washcloth for my hands. As we still had a little time, she came over and lay next to me nude for a cuddle. A bell rang for the 5 minute warning. I gave her a little massage for the last few minutes and she said "heaven". The end bell rang, and I hastily dressed while she ran about cleaning up. On the way out I gave her 2,000 yen tip which she accepted with a smile. Mama-san ushered me out with shoe-horn in hand.

Second trip: The lady I picked was also petite, thin, young, and very pretty. She had one of the flattest chests I've seen, but I rather like small. She was a few years older (25?) and a little less engaging than my first; I'd give her 9.5 for looks. She did not show me to a bathroom first, but I think if I had asked, it would have been available. Again, tea and cookies were served on a low table. Cigarettes were available in both places (but I don't smoke). She left me alone indicating that she'd clean herself outside the room. She came back and stripped immediately. Neither girl was shaved; both had a nice natural bush probably trimmed around the edges. Japanese pubic hair is straighter than caucasian -- so it really stands up, which I find cute. We had a fine 30 minutes. Again the wipes. As I was dressing, she said "Wait a minute" and left the room. I finished dressing and stood around for a minute or two. I decided might as well head out. I stepped out into the hallway just as a young Japanese man stepped out of another room. My girl rushed back from the bathroom and politely ushered me back into my room. I'm sure this was very embarassing for them all. My faux pas! From what I've read, Japanese men don't like the idea that gaijin are using the same girls. Seeing me there could be bad for business. Guys, if she asks you to wait a minute, wait till she returns and gives the all clear! Anyway, they were very polite and courteous on my way out, but I didn't hang around in the doorway in case other potential clients came along.

Overall I wouldn't have missed this experience -- what fun! It is a bit pricy, given that I can get 2 unrushed hours outcall in my Osaka hotel for 35,000 yen ($370). Details on that in a separate post. There is a YouTube video taken out the car window of someone driving through Tobita Shinchi, but I can't find it now. If you find it please post!


HOW TO GET THERE: Take a train to the Dobutsuen Mae station on the Midosuji line. Osaka train stations and routes are listed in Wikipedia. If the Midosuji line is not convenient, take a train to a major downtown transfer point such as Namba or Umeda, transfer to the Midosuji line, and go South. Dobutsuen Mae is station N22, and is 2 stations south of Namba (Nanba). To buy a train ticket, first look up the price for the ride to your destination. This will be on the huge route map over the ticket machines, which is usually labeled in English as well as Japanese (but not always). Put money in the machine first. Prices will appear. Touch the correct price, and your ticket will be printed and change delivered. If any problem, don't hesitate to ask the person in the booth at the ticket gates. They are always polite and happy to come out of the booth and show you how to work the ticket machine. It does help to have your destination (and home station!) written down in Japanese to carry with you. Don't forget to take your ticket from the entrance gate as you pass through -- you'll need it on the way out!

The brothel district is about three square blocks, and is on both sides of a 90 degree turn from South to West of the huge elevated highway that runs over this area. At maps.google.com, look up "Tobita, Osaka, Japan", and/or see http://www.21orover.com/japan/nws/Tobita/ Look for exit #2 when you arrive at Dobutsuen Mae station. As you come up onto the street, you'll see a major highway elevated straight ahead, and a covered shopping arcade immediately on your right as you come out of exit #2. Enter the shopping arcade and walk straight ahead. Keep well to the left to avoid being run into by bicycles. After several blocks (about 10 min) the shopping arcade ends, just where the elevated highway turns. The brothel district is there on both sides of the highway turn. The part outside the "elbow" of the highway is where the older ladies are, while the younger thinner ones are on the inside of the highway "elbow". Look for narrow streets with many open doors and a lighted paper lantern hanging over each door, and a lighted white square sign with two Japanese characters over each lantern. There are 4-8 of these shops in each long block, and 2-4 in each short block.

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Gentleman17
04-26-10, 14:23
As I mentioned in an earlier report, if you don't speak Japanese, getting outcall (called "delivery health" in Japan) in Osaka has seemed impossible. With one exception, http://asianmystique.com. They operate out of Tokyo, but have 2 women in Osaka. Dave, the owner, is very careful to have the girls tested frequently, and seems a fair and up front guy, very responsive to email questions. Dave does not make appointments; those are handled by women who speak just enough English to do the job. You can phone or email to set up appointments. Price in central Osaka is 35, 000 yen ($370) for 2 hours at your hotel, which is a bargain. Miki is probably late 20's but has a very tight, slim gorgeous body. She is attractive (but not gorgeous) in the face. She's a very good kisser. Yoko is probably about 30, not as young looking but still slim and very attractive. She has what I think of as a classic Asian porcelain doll face. Very pretty. Both are friendly but somewhat passive (as they are supposed to be in Japanese culture), totally compliant, and neither seems to orgasm but then they wouldn't let on if they did. Yoko gets really wet so something is going on. Both will f*** your brains out! Both have been reviewed at another site. Yoko has spent some time studying in the USA and speaks good English with an accent. Miki's English is limited but it doesn't matter. I highly recommend each and AsianMystique. If you find any other outcall shop in Osaka that will accept reservations in English, tell us!

Homer69
05-01-10, 07:37
I went to Freajia again last month when I was in Osaka. They are definitely accepting foreigners if you speak Japanese. It's my 3rd or 4th time there and while I always leave feeling satisfied I can't really say I will go back. For some reason I do go back but that's because I'm in Osaka infrequently and this place is cheap and efficient, although the "love hotels" they use are more like "love closets" and really quite a tight squeeze. I wouldn't mind paying Y1000 or Y2000 more to get a better place with a real bed instead of the business hotel special. The ladies I've had all work hard, all are married with kids and are all lower grade in terms of looks and attractiveness. I don't really mind this because their personalities have all been pretty good. I've never had FS and I've never asked for it. I've always gotten BBBJCIM which is good enough for me.

Naniwan
05-01-10, 11:35
I went to Freajia again last month when I was in Osaka. They are definitely accepting foreigners if you speak Japanese. It's my 3rd or 4th time there and while I always leave feeling satisfied I can't really say I will go back. For some reason I do go back but that's because I'm in Osaka infrequently and this place is cheap and efficient, although the "love hotels" they use are more like "love closets" and really quite a tight squeeze. I wouldn't mind paying Y1000 or Y2000 more to get a better place with a real bed instead of the business hotel special. The ladies I've had all work hard, all are married with kids and are all lower grade in terms of looks and attractiveness. I don't really mind this because their personalities have all been pretty good. I've never had FS and I've never asked for it. I've always gotten BBBJCIM which is good enough for me.You can; ask for the 'GRAND CALM' instead of the Platton tiny rubbish holes. The CALM is v nice, man and the girls have a card so you only end up paying about 1500 Yen. I've had the girl actually pay it all a few times (if you have a longer course).

Homer69
05-02-10, 02:38
Thanks, I'll remember this. Jesus, those small places aren't much more than a closet with a toilet, shower and tiny bed.


You can; ask for the 'GRAND CALM' instead of the Platton tiny rubbish holes. The CALM is v nice, man and the girls have a card so you only end up paying about 1500 Yen. I've had the girl actually pay it all a few times (if you have a longer course).

Naniwan
05-02-10, 08:16
Thanks, I'll remember this. Jesus, those small places aren't much more than a closet with a toilet, shower and tiny bed.It really is luck of the draw with that hotel. Sometimes you can get a decent one (if it's on one of the higher floors usually). I hate the place and always ask for the?. It's the opposite way from the Platton (bad 'tel), but not much further.

Naniwan
05-02-10, 08:23
With Freajia becoming Tsumaten (Foreigners still OK), it'll be interesting to see if we can use the other Tsumaten's once we have a member's card; I got one today. I had tried calling the others and they said I would need to be ぺらぺら in Japanese at least (I'm pretty close I guess) but with having a card may be much easier.

Tsumaten has shops in Juso, Tani-9 (the one closest for me), Nipponbashi and also Umeda (Freajia).

Might be worth shot. From reading BBSPink it looks like it's the same deal. Decent price for an older gal. Still, it would be good if we had more options.

Bijinnampa
05-02-10, 16:30
Well, I visited some time ago Freajia, I was given option on different LH, remember some one Manhattan? Or Grand Calme, with a regular LH setup. Enough space for fun in the bath, large enough bed. All we need, right?

Price 2500 Yen/hour. Quite OK.

On another matter, has anyone tried the 3P or AF option, not implying FS.

Any recommendation on nice combination of ladies for 3P.

Naniwan
05-10-10, 08:56
If you can find Kinbana (totally gone now, they've even remodeled the building), you can find the place I went. I just don't want to publicize it on the open list on the chance that some moron will go there and bollocks it up for the rest of us. Service is virtually the same as Kinbana/Toukaen/Toukakyo, and within a few thousand yen of the same price point. My service provider was very attractive, although too much eye makeup. Reasonably good quality BBBJ and CFS, especially considering the price. Extremely gaijin friendly.I found the place, and yup, very gaijin friendly. My provider, Yuki, was probably an 8-9. She said she was 25. Amazing natural tits. Good CBJ, average FS. I got 10 mins of the good stuff until the iku, iku, isshoni iku? Started. I've no idea why but I told her it would take a bit longer and said sorry! Haha. Multiple positions though she wasn't so fond of being on top. EXTREMELY GFE when I wasn't doing her. Very playful. Maybe not repeat but for 10, 000 for 40 mins I really can't complain.

Had a lot of girls peaking around the curtain before the shower when I was stood there naked. Lots of Chinese banter.

Went to Tobita after for the first time. Read on.

Naniwan
05-10-10, 09:22
After fun in Umeda I decided to take my first trip to Tobita. It was really easy to find. Exit 2 from Doubutsuen Station. All the way through the Shoutengai then left at the end and started walking around the blocks.

I found some of the places that haven't been mentioned on the forums; Ai, Kobana, Suzu, Misato, etc. Many were closed.

Around the edges call rates were 100% pretty much but the girls were uhm, a bit tubby. Down the middle street (is this the main one?) Call rates weren't so good. Maybe 40-50% considering I was the only guy walking around in the rain and not so many shops were open (is 4pm a bad time, Especially on a Monday afternoon?) but maybe looked like a total tourist with my jeans, jersey and bag. Oh well.

I was short of money too and couldn't find an ATM or even a Conbini so it kind of blew any chance of getting serviced anyway. Even Google Maps couldn't help me!

There was a stunner in the shop called 鶴 (tsuru). The girl seemed interested but the mama seemed much less interested and was trying to get one of the regular construction worker types in over me.

I get the rejection now; It's a bummer since I keep myself in pretty good shape, in fact I'm an amateur bodybuilder that competes and think I shape up pretty well compared to the majority of the balding, fat or just plain dirty guys walking around there.. I get it though and will be back when I have some cash.

Izanagi
05-12-10, 04:01
It seems that Wedding Bell, the gaijin-friendly soapload in Kobe, has definitively closed. Even their website doesn't work anymore.

Izanagi
05-13-10, 06:39
A short post on the situation in Kobe-Sannomiya :

Club Piaget (Pink salon)
Idol アイドル (Pink salon)
Club H-1 (Hotel health) http://www.hermes-kobe.com/home/

are NOT gaijin-friendly!

If anyone had better luck in the area, be sure to report it here or by PM.

Thruster
05-21-10, 01:51
A short post on the situation in Kobe-Sannomiya :

Club Piaget (Pink salon)
....
are NOT gaijin-friendly!

If anyone had better luck in the area, be sure to report it here or by PM.

I've been to Club Piaget a few times. I've been denied there a couple of times before, but I've been allowed in a couple of times, too. In fact, I got the green light just a couple of days ago. A weekday afternoon visit may increase your chances since the two times I did get rejected were in the evenings.

Thruster
05-21-10, 02:04
If you're looking for street walkers, you might try Izumi Hiroba water fountain area in Umeda. It's in the Whity underground shopping arcade on the far east end. Quite a bit of haggarty women but an occasional honey will appear now and again.

Had a stunning young 5 ft. 2 in. girl w. nicely shaped racks walk by and made heavy eye-contact with me so we headed to the nearby LH. Turns out she's zainichi Korean who's married and trying to pay off some debts and needed some quick cash. A good CFS session for 10,000 plus 2k for room.

Just to add, right above Izumi Hiroba (southeast exit) is the Picadilly movie theater. Women occasionally stand in the entranceway there. Once again, it's a bit more miss than hits as far as quality is concerned. Good luck.

Lion
05-21-10, 03:24
I've been to Club Piaget a few times. I've been denied there a couple of times before, but I've been allowed in a couple of times, too. In fact, I got the green light just a couple of days ago. A weekday afternoon visit may increase your chances since the two times I did get rejected were in the evenings.

I found this Piaget, but it doesn't sound like a pink salon.
http://www.clubpiaget.com/system.html

Izanagi
05-21-10, 04:58
I found this Piaget, but it doesn't sound like a pink salon.
http://www.clubpiaget.com/system.html

No, it's not this one. If you look at this page http://www.clubpiaget.com/com.html
it says that it's a date club in Osaka.

The Club Piaget I wrote about is the one near the Hankyu Sannomiya station (there is a map here : http://www.ekiten.jp/shop_1094481/map.html ).


I've been to Club Piaget a few times. I've been denied there a couple of times before, but I've been allowed in a couple of times, too. In fact, I got the green light just a couple of days ago. A weekday afternoon visit may increase your chances since the two times I did get rejected were in the evenings.I went there a Tuesday around 4 pm so I guess it's really a hit or miss.

The question now is "is it worth another try or not?"

Izanagi
05-21-10, 05:09
If you're looking for street walkers, you might try Izumi Hiroba water fountain area in Umeda. It's in the Whity underground shopping arcade on the far east end. Quite a bit of haggarty women but an occasional honey will appear now and again.

Had a stunning young 5 ft. 2 in. girl w. nicely shaped racks walk by and made heavy eye-contact with me so we headed to the nearby LH. Turns out she's zainichi Korean who's married and trying to pay off some debts and needed some quick cash. A good CFS session for 10,000 plus 2k for room.

Just to add, right above Izumi Hiroba (southeast exit) is the Picadilly movie theater. Women occasionally stand in the entranceway there. Once again, it's a bit more miss than hits as far as quality is concerned. Good luck.Thanks for the info !

I'm not really into SW but I may take a look.

Around what time did you went there?

Izanagi
05-21-10, 05:46
I've been to Club Piaget a few times. I've been denied there a couple of times before, but I've been allowed in a couple of times, too. In fact, I got the green light just a couple of days ago. A weekday afternoon visit may increase your chances since the two times I did get rejected were in the evenings.Thruster, I read your previous posts and found that even if you're a foreigner you're part Asian. ( http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=211206&postcount=31)

It may explain why you have more success than me at Club Piaget. I'm a 100% white guy but some touts still need to ask me if I'm Japanese or not (probably because I have black hair.) so I guess that if you look even a bit Asian it's easier to get the green light.

Or afterall, you may just have better luck than me.

FunkyStuff
05-23-10, 01:51
In Kyoto/Osaka for 10 days, would like to meet up with anyone in area for bar scene, wingman, etc.

My japanese is somewhat basic, but significantly better than nothing

Zcorps
05-23-10, 08:22
If you're looking for street walkers, you might try Izumi Hiroba water fountain area in Umeda. It's in the Whity underground shopping arcade on the far east end. Quite a bit of haggarty women but an occasional honey will appear now and again.

Had a stunning young 5 ft. 2 in. girl w. nicely shaped racks walk by and made heavy eye-contact with me so we headed to the nearby LH. Turns out she's zainichi Korean who's married and trying to pay off some debts and needed some quick cash. A good CFS session for 10,000 plus 2k for room.

Just to add, right above Izumi Hiroba (southeast exit) is the Picadilly movie theater. Women occasionally stand in the entranceway there. Once again, it's a bit more miss than hits as far as quality is concerned. Good luck.


Whoa..... I've been through that area a million times and I never noticed the girls. I mean there are some chinese girls top side, but I've never noticed the other girls. Don't get me wrong. I'm not casting doubt on your report. I have in fact ran into a few working girls there, but at the time I didn't realize they were working. Now everything makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info.

Out of curiosity, what's the best way to approach a girl? Also, what's the best way to pick them out from the crowd?

Thanks.

Bijinnampa
05-25-10, 11:47
Felt needed a bit relief from work the other day, so tried former freajia, now Tsumaten.

So, interested in trying something different, opted for 3P with rara and fuuka. Quite enjoyable, rara is very charming. Still no FS, but enough fun anyway. Anyone has tried other combinations at that place.

So a Q: to real experts; still, tsumaten, OK priceworthy, but if you cater for a young angel, are there any decent soaps in Osaka available for gaijins. Nihongo shaberu, so that is not the door stopper.

Gaijin Otoko
05-26-10, 13:01
So a Q: to real experts; still, tsumaten, OK priceworthy, but if you cater for a young angel, are there any decent soaps in Osaka available for gaijins. Nihongo shaberu, so that is not the door stopper.

I don't know about soaplands, but have you tried Tobita? Some of the gals on display there are really nice, and definitely younger than the Freajia ladies. If you don't care where the girl is from, there are several Chinese Este that take foreigners. Also, if you can handle "deri-heru," you could try Secret Door.

Also, if you go back and search my handle, I found a gaijin-friendly soapland in Nara not too long ago, if you can handle a train ride.

There's a lot of stuff available. Of course if you do speak Japanese, you could just try going up to places and asking them at the door or asking those free information booths near Freajia/Tsumaten.

Ben Bova
05-31-10, 17:32
He evryone

It is my first report on ISG even I have been checking for long on tokyo

Today I have use deli heru and no problem to order they ask me if I understand the system and my nationality the girl I choice and confirm she will go with gaijin and my second choice accept it.

Got 65mn 16000Y the girl show up was the one I choice but forget to tell me she was full of tatu.

20 years old very open to play BBBJCIM 2 time didn't rush to throw on tissu.

She as well told me if you speak japanese you must have no problem to get served.

I will not post the site to not blow it for the other but if you speak japanese and read a bit it is not difficult to find it on deriheru site open 24h.

Good luck

Thruster
06-04-10, 17:06
The Club Piaget I wrote about is the one near the Hankyu Sannomiya station (there is a map here : http://www.ekiten.jp/shop_1094481/map.html ).

I went there a Tuesday around 4 pm so I guess it's really a hit or miss.

The question now is "is it worth another try or not?"

At 4k for about 20 min. it's up to you but the service was friendly and bbbjcim.




Whoa..... I've been through that area a million times and I never noticed the girls. I mean there are some chinese girls top side, but I've never noticed the other girls.

Out of curiosity, what's the best way to approach a girl? Also, what's the best way to pick them out from the crowd?

Concerning the Izumi Hiroba area, a couple may stand around the fountain itself. Also from the fountain there's an extension of the Whity walkway to the north of the fountain. A few of the women stroll this area and/or hang around the steps at the exits. You can tell who they are by their stare and excessive loitering.

As for the Picadilly Movie Theater right above (and out the SE exit from) Izumi Hiroba, the women stand/loiter right at the open entrance by the ticket windows. Also, at the open entrance on the other side of the elevators. Some stand right in front of the movie posters. Once again their excessive loitering and eye-contact make them obvious.

I usually ask "if they have some free time and want to go for a walk." I also tell them "I have some extra spending money." They usually negotiate prices from that point on. Usually about 10 k plus hotel. I've seen them both in the afternoons and evenings and sometimes not at all. I've had more hits in the evenings though. Good luck.

OldAsiaHand
06-05-10, 02:54
IMHO, Tobita is one of the best options for non-Japanese speaking mongers in Osaka. The selection is great and all can be negotiated with simple body language.

On a recent visit at around 7PM on a Tuesday, I was pleasantly surprised to find that my "dozo" rate was much higher than in previous visits. Even some of the hottest talent was willing to accept gaijin. This may be a result of the poor economy. For the first time, I had more acceptance than rejection.

Although 15 or 20 minutes go by pretty fast and the accomodation is basic, I have always been satisfied with the service.

Just my POV.

OAH

K3936
06-06-10, 04:04
[QUOTE=Gentleman17]I am happy to report that safer sex is easily available to foreign visitors to Osaka (gaijin) in April, 2010, even those who speak no Japanese. Osaka's Tobita Shinchi brothel district is alive and well in 2010. Although this neighborhood is described as lower working class (and probably is), I felt completely safe there on a Saturday afternoon just before dusk, and on a Sunday at dusk and shortly after dark.

Thanks to Gentleman17 for this excellent report! I followed the directions and found all as he described. About four parallel streets of shops with the best looking girls near the center and some older, tubbier ones (though not bad really) around the edges. I did a couple of laps around and got quite a few calls, which was encouraging as I am middle aged, a bit overweight and conspicuously foreign. This was about 8 PM on a weekday and there were a few other J-guys around but no other foreigners. Where some of the mamasans called the girls were clearly not happy at the prospect, however several of the girls also smiled or waved as well. Some were dressed traditionally, some as office ladies or school-girlish, some a little bit anime looking. The overall quality and presentation was very high. On my third pass down one street I decided to try a pretty girl dressed as a nurse that had given me a big smile and the mamasan was quite eager for me to come in as well. I started to apologize for not speaking any japanese but it didn't seem to matter and I was shown up stairs after taking my shoes off but without any undue hurry as if they wanted me out of sight. I offered my pen and paper but they had a laminated menu so it wasn't necessary. I went for the 20 min course as I needed to get back, which I think was 16000. She took the money downstairs and came back with some tea and cookies. The room was clean with a Hello, kitty theme, a low table and a mat on the floor. Clothes came off quickly (though she kept the nurses hat on which was cute), she wiped herself down and then me then onto the mat. She was maybe late 20's but in quite good shape, a little padding which I don't mind and a decent rack. A little hand action to get the show started followed by brief CBJ then onto cowgirl, which she went at vigorously. At my signal she flipped over to missionary and I enjoyed making her all natural breasts bounce up and down. The fake high-pitched moaning was a bit distracting and I wondered if it was actually a signal to mamasan downstairs that the business was getting done. Finished doggy style with a few minutes to spare, cleaned up and cuddled for a bit. She served me the tea and gave me a calling card with her name, Hime, and a phone number (presumably the shop) as well as some flowers and another kitty. All very friendly. We dressed and I waited for her to give me the all clear before coming down. Mamasan gave me some candy and Hime gave me a hug and they both waved goodbye. All in all a good experience, if a little pricy. The area felt quite safe and not at all sleazy, very Japanese really. Traffic was picking up a little as I left with a few expensive cars cruising the narrow streets but most people on foot.

Being a recent hobbyist and having just discovered this forum I appreciate all the info here. I will post future reports as I am able.

K3936
06-07-10, 03:30
had a couple of hours to spare so hopped the train from kyoto over to osaka and headed for umeda based on recommendations from this forum. i had directions to a place in toganocho that advertised a special on their web site for 1 hour massage that sounded good. i headed south from osaka station down the main road that is shown as 176 on google maps, crossed over at the lights where the mcdonalds is and kept going east on that street till i hit the next main road, 423. noticed a couple of promising places along the way but thought i’d stick to plan a. headed a couple of blocks east past 423 into the area labeled toganocho on the map, and 3 blocks north but could not find the place from the web site. i was pretty sure i had the right block and circled a couple of times but without success. i was about to backtrack to one of the other places i passed when i was approached by a middle aged tout who spoke to me in japanese but i’m pretty sure he used the word honban. i showed him the name of my place and mimed massage and he seemed to understand. he indicated to follow him and he seemed harmless enough so i tagged along half way down the block and into a building that obviously wasn’t the one i was looking for but i figured i’d check it out. he took me up to the fifth floor and to a door at the back that was opened by a small middle aged lady. they chatted briefly in japanese and i guess seeing i was a bit hesitant she invited me in saying in english “come in, very pretty girl , you be ok”. i went with it and my guide left us. i took a 1 hour session for 15000 and indeed the girl was very pretty, small and trim. i saw they had a shower and asked if i could use it since i had been walking a while and it was quite a warm day. i undressed and she quickly did likewise and escorted me to the shower for a good soapdown. she also washed herself and i saw that she had a really nice body, probably late 20’s but very firm and quite curvy. back to the small room and she produced a condom without any prompting. i asked if 2 times was ok and she went and fetched a second one so i guess she understood. she started with a fairly good massage of my neck, back and legs making sure to rub her naked self against me provocatively. on the flip i was clearly interested so the condom went on and she mounted cowgirl and rode me for a long time. she was really good, reaching behind to tickle my balls but keeping me just short of releasing for what seemed like forever. i was also really enjoying her very perky breasts in my face so i kept her up there. eventually she speeded up just enough to bring me to climax and then lay on top of me for a long time while we both got our breaths back. we lay for a while and i played with her some more and to my surprise she either came or did the best fake orgasm i have ever seen. this got me ready for round two but unfortunately the clock had run out. she tried to upsell me another hour but i didn’t have either the cash or the time. too bad because i would have liked to have tried some different positions for the second run. she showered us both again, dressed me and sent me off with a hug and a kiss. from her look she might have been chinese but she only spoke japanese to the mamasan.

on the way out i noted that the front of the building said “osakaya 58 ban-kan” on google streetview you can find it just north and east of hotel hokke club osaka. i don’t know if my experience is typical or if i just lucked out because it was a slow day (a weekday afternoon aroung 4 pm), but i would definitely recommend. there also seemed to be several other places in the building and in that general area. if anyone else has a similar result please post a report.

K3936
06-09-10, 02:23
I was in Kyoto recently for a short stay with not much time to get out and about but thanks to the great info in this forum managed to have some fun. I was staying near the main train station but there didn’t seem to be anything going on around there (found one place that looked promising, Angels massage, but it seemed to be closed). Having just discovered this forum I took some hints and hopped the subway up to Shijo dori and walked along to Kiyamachi dori, the small street between Kawaramachi dori and the big river. I recognized the small canal at once from Google streetview. First time I found my way there was late afternoon and I explored the first two alleys north of Shijo dori as instructed but didn’t get any eye contact from the doormen, but then again I had a shopping bag and an umbrella and they might have thought I was just a dumb tourist who had taken a wrong turn. After further reading of the forum I went back the next evening to try to find club Pixie having read that it was gaijin friendly and no Japanese required. I walked into the first alley paper in hand and it was right there in front of me without even searching. I approached the doorman confidently, showed him my scrap of paper and asked in English if this was the place. He was a younger guy and friendly and replied in English that it was. I asked politely if it was possible for me to come in and he asked if I wanted to “play”. I said yes please and he showed me upstairs. He explained it was “blowjob only, no sex, OK?”, which I said was fine, and he gave me a menu as I took off my shoes. Not quite sure what to expect I took the short course for 8000 and was shown through a curtain into the seating area. It was a smallish room with about five benches arranged along one wall like church pews. I was shown to the first one by the door with my back to the wall and offered a drink (first one included in the price). There was one other J-guy in the far pew with his back to me being attended by a somewhat average looking girl. A quite chubby but very friendly girl came and sat with me and said her name was Mimi, or something like that. She tried to make small talk with a little bit of English but with my total lack of Japanese it didn’t last long and we resorted to hand signals and gesturing which made her giggle. She cuddled up and made friendly and started rubbing my thigh so I reciprocated and worked my hand up under her skirt to find her wearing no panties. She got me to attention and motioned for me to take off my pants. The pair at the other end of the room seemed to be doing their own thing so I went with the flow. She got the wipes out and cleaned me up and slipped on a condom while I gently rubbed her breasts, which were quite full and firm. She pulled her top down to give me free access and leaned across and began stroking and licking me. She positioned herself on the bench so she could go down on me while I could enjoy her breasts with one hand and work between her legs with the other. She seemed to like it as she spread her legs wider and got quite wet. She cupped my balls with one hand and started deep throating me expertly (lots of practice I guess), then slowed up as I approached bursting point and held me there with lots of licking and sucking around the tip. Then some more deep strokes while I rubbed faster on her trimmed pussy and she brought me off with a big climax that nearly filled the small condom. She seemed to be pleased with the result but the other couple didn’t pay any attention (thankfully), although the girl glanced over at one point maybe out of curiosity. She cleaned me up with more wipes and as there was still time left we cuddled some more and I gave her a little shoulder massage which she then returned. I could have gone another round but she indicated that only one pop was included with my menu choice. Unfortunately the J-guy started smoking at that point and then the doorman signaled time was up. We pulled our clothes back on and she gave me a moist paper towel to clean my hands. She gave me a hug and a kiss and passed me back through the curtain where the door guy handed me my shoes and showed me out. All in an enjoyable if somewhat bizarre experience, but something to check of the list of Japan attractions. Not sure if I would repeat, although other establishments in that area are said to offer full service so that might be worth a try. With a bit of time to kill I took the remains of my coke and wandered up the rest of Kiyamachi dori alongside the canal, which seems to have a lot of high-class looking places. Most had one or more guys on the door and nice looking girls trying to pull punters in. They uniformly blanked me so these mainstream places are clearly off limits to foreigners. I worked my way back down the smaller alleyways and once I got back to the Shijo end got a couple more approaches from doormen, including the one next door to club Pixie (that might be club Lovers?), who was quite vocal in inviting me in. The Pixie doorman recognized me and called to him in Japanese and they had some kind of joke and banter back and forth with the next door guy calling after me that he had better girls and try him first next time. I didn’t get a chance to go back but did get an afternoon in Osaka which I reported in another post. Thanks to the previous posters without whose tips I doubt I would ever have figured this place out!

Gaijin Otoko
06-26-10, 23:50
Just got back from a recon stroll through Doyamacho. I am planning to visit my favorite place in there later today, but thought I would share my experience now. Even though it's 7 am on Sunday, I got aggressively solicited by at least three places. One lady even grabbed my arm. WTF! I've NEVER seen them this desperate. Seems like the hunting in Doyamacho is at an all-time peak.

Dreams
06-27-10, 10:37
Just got back from a recon stroll through Doyamacho. I am planning to visit my favorite place in there later today, but thought I would share my experience now. Even though it's 7 am on Sunday, I got aggressively solicited by at least three places. One lady even grabbed my arm. WTF! I've NEVER seen them this desperate. Seems like the hunting in Doyamacho is at an all-time peak.
I am sure that if I RTFF, I will find the answer, but if you have a minute, where is Doyamacho?

Azure Knight
06-27-10, 14:39
Just got back from a recon stroll through Doyamacho. I am planning to visit my favorite place in there later today, but thought I would share my experience now. Even though it's 7 am on Sunday, I got aggressively solicited by at least three places. One lady even grabbed my arm. WTF! I've NEVER seen them this desperate. Seems like the hunting in Doyamacho is at an all-time peak.
Are you talking about street walkers?

I've passed through Doyamacho hundreds of times, including the Izumi no Hiroba. I can remember sometimes seeing girls loitering around at the Hiroba, but it never struck me to think that they might have been SW. Since you first mentioned it, I have been on the lookout for them but I've only seen two women who maybe might have been SW, but it was certainly nothing I would P4P for.

On the street, near the Tsutaya there's usually quite a number of girls about, but I always thought that they were there trying to pull guys into bars and clubs, and not SW. Most of the time they don't give me the time of day.

If you or anyone else has more info on the SW's in Doyamacho, I would love to hear it. Places where they can be found, the times when they are most present, what to look for, etc.

Gaijin Otoko
06-27-10, 23:03
I am sure that if I RTFF, I will find the answer, but if you have a minute, where is Doyamacho?

It's the covered shopping area that runs east of Umeda. The easiest access is to get to the Izumi no Hiroba in the Umeda underground shopping area, and take the M-6 Exit.

Gaijin Otoko
06-27-10, 23:07
Are you talking about street walkers?

If you or anyone else has more info on the SW's in Doyamacho, I would love to hear it. Places where they can be found, the times when they are most present, what to look for, etc.

Sorry, not SW, but rather ladies hawking for their shops. I'm an obvious foreigner, and they were calling out "hello" openly and trying to get me in their shops. The "grabby" lady was a bit too much. I'm used to Nigerians in Kabukicho getting in my face, but not Japanese ladies. Had I not been already on my way to my favorite shop, I might have stopped and asked more questions.

Lion
06-28-10, 03:30
Just got back from a recon stroll through Doyamacho. I got aggressively solicited by at least three places.

What kind of shops were they working for? Masaji I understand, but if they were HH or Pink Salons then that would be a new trend.

Gaijin Otoko
06-28-10, 18:57
What kind of shops were they working for? Masaji I understand, but if they were HH or Pink Salons then that would be a new trend.

The woman who grabbed me was working for a massage place, although she made it clear that other things were on the menu. I passed by the other locations too quickly to confirm what type of location they were. I was more concerned with finding out what time my favorite place opened, as they have no web site, and I didn't remember their number.

Swiss Big Cock
07-01-10, 13:39
Hello everyone,

I found this web site and I've been reading many pages since a few days and finally I decided to join the web site which is great :)

I just arrived in Osaka and I'd like to have some advices for massages girls and everything you could get here for a newbie. I have no experience at all in this but I want to try since I am here for some time in Osaka and I want to have some fun. Does anyone of you would like to show me some good places this weekend? I am specially looking for some "Nuru Massage" that you can find videos online easily. Do you think I can find that in Osaka?

I am a Gaijin but I can speak a little Japanese, sometimes the Japanese think I am fluent which I am not. So I'd love to enjoy some real Japanese places and not the "Gaijin-only" places.

Thank you very much for all the nice messages and hope to get news soon.

See you!

K3936
07-06-10, 02:40
I had a good massage experience in Umeda, see my posting below. With some Japanese you should have a lot more options. Good luck and don't forget to post!

K


Hello everyone,

I found this web site and I've been reading many pages since a few days and finally I decided to join the web site which is great :)

I just arrived in Osaka and I'd like to have some advices for massages girls and everything you could get here for a newbie. I have no experience at all in this but I want to try since I am here for some time in Osaka and I want to have some fun. Does anyone of you would like to show me some good places this weekend? I am specially looking for some "Nuru Massage" that you can find videos online easily. Do you think I can find that in Osaka?

I am a Gaijin but I can speak a little Japanese, sometimes the Japanese think I am fluent which I am not. So I'd love to enjoy some real Japanese places and not the "Gaijin-only" places.

Thank you very much for all the nice messages and hope to get news soon.

See you!

K3936
07-08-10, 02:38
PS: If you use Google the map location is 34.701044, 135.503553‎


I had a good massage experience in Umeda, see my posting below. With some Japanese you should have a lot more options. Good luck and don't forget to post!

K

Maxxxi
07-20-10, 12:07
Hi everybody, this is my first post to the forum, which I've been reading for a couple of days and I find it great.

I'll be in Osaka for a couple of weeks soon and I'd love trying soapland, but my jap skills are null and I can't really find any addresses of good places with young stunnies from the forum. Can anyone help me? I'll stay in the Takatsuki area, no car.

Thanks in advance

Asian Travels
07-21-10, 01:31
Hi everybody, this is my first post to the forum, which I've been reading for a couple of days and I find it great.

I'll be in Osaka for a couple of weeks soon and I'd love trying soapland, but my jap skills are null and I can't really find any addresses of good places with young stunnies from the forum. Can anyone help me? I'll stay in the Takatsuki area, no car.

Thanks in advance
Are you adventurous? Do you know how to get by without language skills? If not, having a soapland experience is unlikely.

Osaka has virtually none from what I can tell, so unless you go to Shiga (more reported success) or Kobe (less chance) you will be out of luck.

http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/shiga/soapland/

Maxxxi
07-21-10, 13:42
Are you adventurous? Do you know how to get by without language skills? If not, having a soapland experience is unlikely.

Osaka has virtually none from what I can tell, so unless you go to Shiga (more reported success) or Kobe (less chance) you will be out of luck.Well yes, I usually know how to get by w/out language skills, but it depends also on the other side! They must be at least gaijin friendly, you know.

Can you post the link to the report on the Shiga place? Is that very far from Takatsuki?

Thanks a lot!

Asian Travels
07-22-10, 01:54
Can you post the link to the report on the Shiga place? Is that very far from Takatsuki?

Thanks a lot!

Not that far from Takatsuki. RTFF the link.

Fact Finder
07-24-10, 21:22
After reading some old reports by a Nikkeijin about the RLD at Shinodayama-Shinchi, I was curious to try it. Following the advice in the reports, I decided to go there mid afternoon around 4pm.

Being not very familiar with Osaka's travel system, the journey took me much longer than it should have done because of several mistakes. I arrived ok on the shinkansen at Shin-Osaka and took the Osaka loop line to reach Tennoji. I found the Kinokuni line ok, but was wrongly told to take the slow train that stopped at all stations, taking about 1 hour to reach Shinodayama-Shinchi. It was a vintage 1960s train, very crowded.

The area outside the station looked rough by Japanese standards - dirty and lots of ugly old decaying apartment buildings. I hadn't seen any foreigners since leaving Tennoji. The RLD is left out of the station and keep walking straight on a small but quite busy road for several blocks. You go past all the old apartment buildings. The entrance to the RLD is a non-descript narrow alley which is hard to find in the middle of a row of some ordinary brickfront buildings. I had brought photos of the alley from the website reports, but I still went past it twice before I suddenly saw it. In the searing heat, it took me 10 minutes from the station.

As I was approaching the alley, a scruffy middle-aged man came out of the alley and stopped to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on a tree a few paces in front of me and in full view of a gang of schoolgirls walking the other way and various cars driving past too - nobody said anything about him or seemed surprised. He stank of sweat as I walked past. I entered the alley quickly.

It was like entering a different world. Lots of shops in neat machiya-style houses with open fronts, brightly lit lanterns, and tatami mat floors. I was the only person walking around. Although it was only 4pm, most shops were already open with a mamasan and one or more cute girls sitting inside dressed in yukatas.

As I was walking by, I didn't get a single douzo from any of the mamasans, although the girls inside smiled at me. So, I asked in fluent Japanese if I could come in. I was told firmly that gaijin were not welcome. I tried every shop that was open, probably about 10 in total, but got the same answer everywhere. Following the advice in the reports, I looked ok, wearing a smart casual jacket, clean shaved, and quite athletic. I think my big mistake is I am a white guy - an obvious gaijin.

I left disappointed. At least I caught the fast train back from Ootori and Tennoji to Shin-Osaka. Total time wasted: 3 hours. Maybe somebody else will have better luck.

Xslikx
07-26-10, 14:49
After reading some old reports by a Nikkeijin about the RLD at Shinodayama-Shinchi, I was curious to try it. Following the advice in the reports, I decided to go there mid afternoon around 4pm.


Thanks for the report. Good to know. But since you were passing through Tennoji, I don't understand why you didn't stop in at Tobita on the way home.

Fact Finder
07-26-10, 21:25
Thanks for the report. Good to know. But since you were passing through Tennoji, I don't understand why you didn't stop in at Tobita on the way home.T4TT. I couldn't stop in because to my gaijin spirit, Osaka is like an alien megalopolis of looping/intersecting/crossconnecting, one-way/not-that-way, multilevel, Bladerunnerish architectural awesomeness, or, put another way, I simply get lost there. And expecting S-S to be full of mongeringu, I hadn't got a plan b like my keitai loaded with pics or details of other RLDs.

Womble69
08-05-10, 19:33
Hi Folks,

I recently had some success in Kyoto in the Kiyamachi area. After reading K3936's report I had a good idea were to look for. I headed to the Kawaramachi dori area and found the two little street as described by K3936. This was around 5pm on a Saturday afternoon and the streets were pretty quiet but you could see a few guys already on the doors. I wandered round the streets a few times but received no invites. Now not having a word of Japanese this was going to get awkward. So I decided to grab a bottle of coke and formulate a plan. Checking my guidebook I couldn't find the Japanese expression for "I want a blowjob please" so I decided to have one last walk along.

This time a new tout, wearing an England top, who hadn't been on the doors before called me over and invited me in. I was taken up a small flight of stairs into a room with about a half dozen rows of benches. The wall had a price chart with different lengths of services. Feeling particularly horny after waiting so long I opted for 40mins for 9000 yen.

I headed over to the front bench and sat down, being the only person in the place. Then a girl came out from behind some curtains and sat next to me. I'll be honest and say she was a trifle round for my taste but what the hell. She was friendly but didn't speak much English. She started to cuddle up to me and using some sign language motion me to get my cock out. Of course I couldn't refuse. With a very skilful handjob she got me good and hard. Next she started to apply a condom to my rigid cock with her mouth. At the same time she removed her underwear and lower her dress top so I could have full access.Then started came the highlight.

She delivered what had to be the best blowjob I have ever had. I was in heaven. Normally I'm not a fan of oral, less so when covered but this girl could work a cock like an angel. I was so lost in her mouth I almost forgot to start fingering that delightful pussy. This was great my fingers in some wet asian pussy and my cock being sucked by a pro. When I climaxed my balls were completely empty. I'd never been sucked dry this before.

Afterwards she cleaned up cock up with some wipes and we cuddled for a bit with me taking the opportunity to explore her pussy a bit more with my fingers.

All and all well worth it.

Dreams
08-06-10, 10:23
Hi Folks,

I recently had some success in Kyoto in the Kiyamachi area. After reading K3936's report I had a good idea were to look for. I headed to the Kawaramachi dori area and found the two little street as described by K3936. This was around 5pm on a Saturday afternoon and the streets were pretty quiet but you could see a few guys already on the doors. I wandered round the streets a few times but received no invites. Now not having a word of Japanese this was going to get awkward. So I decided to grab a bottle of coke and formulate a plan. Checking my guidebook I couldn't find the Japanese expression for "I want a blowjob please" so I decided to have one last walk along.

This time a new tout, wearing an England top, who hadn't been on the doors before called me over and invited me in. I was taken up a small flight of stairs into a room with about a half dozen rows of benches. The wall had a price chart with different lengths of services. Feeling particularly horny after waiting so long I opted for 40mins for 9000 yen.

I headed over to the front bench and sat down, being the only person in the place. Then a girl came out from behind some curtains and sat next to me. I'll be honest and say she was a trifle round for my taste but what the hell. She was friendly but didn't speak much English. She started to cuddle up to me and using some sign language motion me to get my cock out. Of course I couldn't refuse. With a very skilful handjob she got me good and hard. Next she started to apply a condom to my rigid cock with her mouth. At the same time she removed her underwear and lower her dress top so I could have full access.Then started came the highlight.

She delivered what had to be the best blowjob I have ever had. I was in heaven. Normally I'm not a fan of oral, less so when covered but this girl could work a cock like an angel. I was so lost in her mouth I almost forgot to start fingering that delightful pussy. This was great my fingers in some wet asian pussy and my cock being sucked by a pro. When I climaxed my balls were completely empty. I'd never been sucked dry this before.

Afterwards she cleaned up cock up with some wipes and we cuddled for a bit with me taking the opportunity to explore her pussy a bit more with my fingers.

All and all well worth it.
Well done, you have identified what seems to be a gaijin friendly pink salon in Kyoto...
Seems a bit expensive, but I agree that this is better than nothing, in a city which is not known to offer much to non Japanese speaking guys.

Tokyo Nampa King
08-16-10, 02:06
Whats up guys. I will be travelling down to Osaka later this month and while I have set up a young thing to be my tour guide I want to have a fuzoku plab B.

What would you Osaka guys recommend for either deri heru, este, pink salon for a white guy with 1-kyu Japanese and a "fun" budget of about 15,000?

Thanks for any help!

Hatguy
08-18-10, 15:29
Im a lurker. Have been curious indeed about the site and read a lot. Nice to meet all. Im hatguy.

Tonight I went to a place called CLUB QUEEN in TENNOJI. Walk out of Tennoji Kintetsu station towards HOOP. Out of the main exit its to the left. You will see HOOP (a massive shopping complex type place) if you walk out, and there are signs everywhere, TURN LEFT when you get to the station exit. HOOP will be on your right. Take the 2nd right and you will see the sign in English. CLUB QUEEN. It will be up on the side of the building.

They are actually welcoming to everyone. I pretended not to understand any Japanese and the tout still invited me in. The price was 7500 for 30 mins including all you can drink. He mentioned that it was bj only a couple of times. I knocked him back and went for a walk to decide what to do. I went back there and told him Id pay 6000.

The girl that came (name unknown) was not by any means a cutey but she had pretty nice tits. She told me she was close to 40. 37 or something. Lies of course. I would say atleast 38 or 39. I couldnt really see that much as it was pretty dark in the back of the place. She was careful in wiping me down then proceeded to do a bit of balls licking and stuff. After that she started to sort me out and I enjoyed a pretty good bj. I knocked one out in her mouth which she spat onto a towel. I think I got her pretty good cos I was reading all the stories here and went all ready to rock n roll.

You guys rcok with your stories. Keep em coming! (PUN INTENDED!)

Decadent Cloud
08-20-10, 14:05
I've been lurking on this forum for a while so I'd like to contribute back by posting a report.

I went to Tobita following directions many people have posted before. I went around 4-5pm on a weekday. I almost got lost because I walked all the way through the shopping street and overshot Tobita. At some point you want to turn left and cross under the highway.

To recap, in Tobita almost every house has a girl with her mama-san. The girl is usually seated on a seat with extra lights to make her look a bit better. The girl usually just smiles, sometimes waving people in. Mama-san does most of the work of saying of please come in, the girl is kirei, please take a look, etc. Walking around there were girls for many tastes: mature, young, well endowed, variety of costumes, etc. I'm of Asian decent so most shops couldn't tell that I am not Nihonjin so doozo rates were great. I took a couple of laps around to see and then decided on a shop. Similarly, many other guys were doing the same. Some were even in their cars. Most people were either in business suits or casual ware. None were the less affluent looking people I saw while walking towards this area. The streets were even cleaner than most places probably.

My nihongo skills are pretty basic. I went in a store and said in Japanese if foreigners were okay to mama-san. The mama-san asked if I understood Japanese. I replied chotto which was kind of a lie. She then asked the girl if she's okay, she nodded. Hurray for the economy.

I took my shoes off and we went upstairs. There were 2 other rooms. Didn't sound like any were occupied. She led me to a room and said I should go inside and wait. I sat down and had some oocha tea. The room was rather small with a single futon with towels laid upon it. Around the bed is the basket of condoms, a fridge, a fan. The room was dark but from what I can see it was clean and it was air-conditioned. She then came back presented me a vitamin drink as omiyage. Then the menu was presented: 15 min 11k, 20 min 16k, don't remmeber the other prices. After payment she left to cash it in and came back. From there it was to business. We both stripped and she wiped us both down. She was in great shape and petite with a slightly bigger than (Japanese) average bust. No obvious sign that required me to bail. She then asked if I wanted a condom, thank god. I have read stories where the girls give you the "what?" face when asking for a condom. She did not have any problems with any problems suggested. Only problem was telling her what I wanted. This will be my motivation to study Japanese more.

Tobita isn't anywhere from being a new location but just want to confirm that they will accept Gaijin with limited Nihongo abilities. My friend had no problems but he can pass for a Japanese.

Happy hunting

Saint Of Killers
08-25-10, 14:01
Has anyone tried World Osaka or Blond House before? They're both deli health specializing in western women, which I have a major jonesing for right now, but before I TOFT I just want to see if they've already been reviewed. Here are the sites:

http://www.world-osaka.com/gal.html

http://www.blondhouse.com/hiyou.html

I definately want to get with Natalia, Anita or Monica at World Osaka, but something tells me that their photos are too good to be true.

Hatguy
08-25-10, 14:58
So tonight I went to a place in Umeda near the "Izumi no hiroba." Before that I went to a place near the exit called PANDORA. All members should not go there. Even though my Japanese is fine I was told that I had to be a Japanese national to get service. They were very polite about it. No one should get angry about this. I do not think its racism. Its more of a customer selection and marketing thing.

So I walked about the place looking for something and could not find much. There were tonnes of those places with free information. I think if I stopped by one I could have gotten some sort of information but I kept walking.

The place I went to was not spectacular. So I wont go on about it. But I did hear at one point what I thought was the police come in to question the mama. That was a bit scary!

Question; Has anyone else here been told to strip off and then been bathed by an absolute ogre of a woman? I nearly complained about this wench. What an ugly *****. Luckily I did get a semi decent girl in the end though. BBBJCIM. I didnt want to FS with her even though it was offered (10 000 yen/50 mins.)

I know I should have mentioned this at the beginning but I was offered FS on the street by the touts. Their words were "H." Which in Japanese means sex.

After everything was done I left and was walking back to the station. I noticed one girl sitting by herself near IZUMI NO HIROBA entrance and asked her what she was doing. After a few pleasantries she said that she wanted to "play" for money. She told me that 15000 yen was her rate. I said that was expensive and that maybe next time would be good. She was probably a 5 on your guys scales. Kinda big tits and ok looking.

She was, as some other guys have mentioned, staring at everyone that came within radius. That is definetely how you identify these girls. They were rare in the area though tonight.

Red Square
08-26-10, 20:46
I went to the Tobita Shinchi area and I saw a gorgeous, young little number kneeling next to the mama-san as I was, essentially, browsing.

I sort of walked two or three doors down, then realised that she would be the hottest girl that I'd see all day and went back.

It was 10, 000 Y for the 20 minutes or whatnot.

The girl was called Arissa, and she was from Kobe. She didn't speak very good english but the service was superb. Uncovered BJ that was absolute superb. I actually had to get her to stop because she was so good that I was going to pop.

She looked disappointed at this, and definitely had the enthusiasm for the BBBJ, but in the end. I wanted to try some of her pussy.

She popped on a cover with her mouth, and sucked a little bit more. (the girl liked to suck!) and then went to climb on to control the penetration. I didn't want to do that so I flipped her over and mounted her missionary.

Nothing quite like shagging asian girls. Anyway, after a very good and very energetic mish session including a real orgasm from Arissa (sandwiched by fake ones) I used the washroom, downed the tea she brought me at the beginning, and pocketed some sweets for my walk back to the station.

I would most definitely go there again. I was really, really pleased with the service.

Hatguy
08-29-10, 17:26
Hi again all. I went to Shinodayama Shinchi last night at 10pm. I did not get a single "douzo" from any mama. Even when I went back to a place that had said "douzo" before when I went there at dusk a few days ago, I was told that they would never say OK to a white guy. I then asked a bunch of places all over the area if it was ok for me to enter. Resounding "no's" and the arms crossed making an X in every place I tried. At one of the places the lady was kind enough to tell me to go to Tobita. Another one kind of rudely said that "I would get no service around this area. " I literally tried almost every place there. Just not happening.

Did I go too late? I don't know. I think my time, and yours dear reader, is better spent else where.

Fact Finder
08-29-10, 21:01
PS: If you use Google the map location is 34.701044, 135.503553‎I have to say that was a useful report. It's a little uncanny that you are so accurate in your description - you don't work for them?

I timed my arrival to be around 3pm. I found the place quite quickly starting from the Hotel Hokke - only a minute's walk - left out of the hotel lobby, then right at the next street junction. The entrance of the building was a bit unexpected - it is like a lobby, but there is no front door and you just walk in from the street, go past the floor-mounted photos of an Asian girl towards the back, take the elevator to the 5th floor, head down the corridor until you get to two entrance doors that are directly opposite each other. One door is marked "over 18" but it is a different place - the place K3936 mentioned is the opposite door that has a door buzzer button on the left side.

A girl dressed in a revealing white jacket let me in and showed me a menu with various courses starting at Y5300 for a very short and limited course. There were two different 1-hour courses, and I took the more expensive Y13000 one. I was assigned to Mimi - not good looking, but excellent service including BM, B2B, BBBJ, FS and more. She spoke Mandarin, and limited accented Japanese, but no English at all. My Mandarin is limited, so we managed to communicate ok in Japanese and we got on very well. She also gave me something very nice I didn't pay for!

One surprise is the shower room where you get cleaned up both before and after the session. You might want to watch where you stand. When I visited, it was 38.5C outside and the window was left wide open to let the hot humid air in:) If you get too close to it, you are in full view of the street below and the buildings on the opposite side.

The area looks like it has several other places, though I don't know any details such as who they accept.

Fact Finder
08-29-10, 21:04
Does anybody please have an exact latitude and longitude for izumi no hiroba that I can plug into Google maps? I have read the directions given in previous threads in the forums, but I am truly the world's worst directions follower - due to a car accident, no kidding - they make absolutely no sense to me regarding what I see while walking around in Umeda. I really need to look at Google maps.

Fact Finder
08-30-10, 09:03
Hi again all. I went to Shinodayama Shinchi last night at 10pm. I did not get a single "douzo" from any mama. Even when I went back to a place that had said "douzo" before when I went there at dusk a few days ago, I was told that they would never say OK to a white guy. I then asked a bunch of places all over the area if it was ok for me to enter. Resounding "no's" and the arms crossed making an X in every place I tried. At one of the places the lady was kind enough to tell me to go to Tobita. Another one kind of rudely said that "I would get no service around this area. " I literally tried almost every place there. Just not happening.

Did I go too late? I don't know. I think my time, and yours dear reader, is better spent else where.Yeah, did you see my report I posted in July about that RLD? http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1047785&postcount=978

A WG in Osaka later told me it's always been like that as far as she knows and they have never accepted whites there.

Hatguy
08-31-10, 01:45
34°42'7.71"N

135°30'5.32"E

There you are. Its hard to find in the thronging underground area. I get lost every time I go to Umeda.

Fact Finder
08-31-10, 20:01
Thanks, Hatguy!


34°42'7.71"N

135°30'5.32"E

There you are. Its hard to find in the thronging underground area. I get lost every time I go to Umeda.

ClarKent
09-01-10, 05:51
So after a busy week with work just wondering if anyone out there can recommend a decent place to get a massage. Preferably with HE.

In Osaka preferred, but I travel to Kobe and Nishinomiya often as well.

Gaijin Otoko
09-01-10, 12:52
So after a busy week with work just wondering if anyone out there can recommend a decent place to get a massage. Preferably with HE.

In Osaka preferred, but I travel to Kobe and Nishinomiya often as well.

Try Louis Chanter in Kobe: http://japan-escort.net/detail_sh_en_louis-chanter.html

Naniwan
09-01-10, 13:16
Does anybody please have an exact latitude and longitude for izumi no hiroba that I can plug into Google maps? I have read the directions given in previous threads in the forums, but I am truly the world's worst directions follower - due to a car accident, no kidding - they make absolutely no sense to me regarding what I see while walking around in Umeda. I really need to look at Google maps.A good way to find it is to head for the Tanimachi station Higashi Umeda but don't go down the ramp towards the barriers. Instead you should be at a kind of intersection, from there (in fact from Midosuji line too) you can follow the overhead signs (in Eng too).

For Toganocho just go out Exit 14, and take the left hand set of steps. For Doyama you want the other side of the road.

Hatguy
09-03-10, 05:42
I Have been checking the last few days on the SW situation in and around Izumi no Hiroba.

If you walk out of the exit RIGHT of the lottery shop and UP THE RIGHT STAIRS and turn left at the top you should be able to see a SUNKUS convenience store on the other side of the street. Don't CROSS THE ROAD. Walk straight ahead until you get to the first right. Its a small alley kind street that goes off into LH area.

I've seen the same girl there twice and another one doing the same thing. They sit there and stare at men passing by trying to drum up business. Let me stress that one is a pretty big girl. The other one was a bit better but not much.

Not really my type so I wouldn't go there but someone might be into it. The girl that someone else mentioned here. Zainichi Korean sounded more like it. Any chance of getting her details? Haha.

Hatguy

Naniwan
09-04-10, 09:42
I Have been checking the last few days on the SW situation in and around Izumi no Hiroba.

If you walk out of the exit RIGHT of the lottery shop and UP THE RIGHT STAIRS and turn left at the top you should be able to see a SUNKUS convenience store on the other side of the street. Don't CROSS THE ROAD. Walk straight ahead until you get to the first right. Its a small alley kind street that goes off into LH area.

I've seen the same girl there twice and another one doing the same thing. They sit there and stare at men passing by trying to drum up business. Let me stress that one is a pretty big girl. The other one was a bit better but not much.

Not really my type so I wouldn't go there but someone might be into it. The girl that someone else mentioned here. Zainichi Korean sounded more like it. Any chance of getting her details? Haha.

HatguyTo the right of the conbini as you look at it, correct? I sometimes see girls sitting on the wall there.

Didn't know they were SWs!

Hatguy
09-06-10, 07:55
Yep thats it. I was there the other day and gave up. It is like that fat one and the other one are the only ones at the moment. Wish there was a bit more variety.