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Metabo
01-09-14, 07:17
Could you please provide a little more information on the location of Izumi? Dotonbori is a big street and there are many streets nearby. Easy to get lost! Can you try to remember some landmarks or anything to help us find the place? Thanks!

While I am here. Can any of you fine fellows share any information about massage parlors that offer BOTH good massages and happy endings? I am sick of those fake Chinese street chicks who promise massages and handjob / blowjobs only to get hustled inside, jacked as quickly as possible, and then hustled back out. I am looking for a decent massage followed by a decent handjob or some head. Anyone got any advice?


I am just back from a short Japan trip.

Kyoto: Bangkok Hands is a Thai massage place close to the Nishiki Market in Kyoto. When you come out of the market street, just before Daimaru Departement.

Store (Back entrance) you will find this place.

A body oil massage cost you 8000 Yen for one hour including a free HJ.

Osake: In a small parallel street of Dotonbori in Osaka, you will find a massage place named Izumi.

There is a very nice and cute Chinese girl offering 90Minutes massage for 9000 Yen including a HJ.

I am still a fan of those massage places. They offer a real good massage with some happy ending.

Dendo
01-09-14, 09:41
Could you please provide a little more information on the location of Izumi? Dotonbori is a big street and there are many streets nearby. Easy to get lost! Can you try to remember some landmarks or anything to help us find the place? Thanks!

While I am here. Can any of you fine fellows share any information about massage parlors that offer BOTH good massages and happy endings? I am sick of those fake Chinese street chicks who promise massages and handjob / blowjobs only to get hustled inside, jacked as quickly as possible, and then hustled back out. I am looking for a decent massage followed by a decent handjob or some head. Anyone got any advice?This is probably the place.

http://esute-izumi.info/index.html

Metabo
01-10-14, 15:31
Going to have a look tomorrow.

Prices seem reasonable.

Report to follow.


This is probably the place.

http://esute-izumi.info/index.html

Metabo
01-13-14, 14:07
I checked out the massage place mentioned here the other night.

Long story short, a fellow can get a massage and a happy ending!

I showed up pretty wasted, but was ushered right in. I do not care for those fake oils a lot of places use, so I went for the oil course sans oil. Basically what it amounted to was a 30-minute hot-water hose down, followed by a 30-minute rub down in a private room. The service was friendly and top notch in both rooms, which was performed by two different girls. After the wash-down, I got the rub down. I was pretty wasted, but about 5 minutes into the rub down her hands found my meat and she started jacking. This was basically what I was after, but I was looking forward to some kind of massage. As I was pretty drunk, I wasn't ready to cum immediately. On a whim I asked her to suck it, which she said she would for an additional 3-thousand. I happily obliged and she went to work BB. The head was not the best I've ever had, quite possibly the worst, but in the end I shot my load with about 5 minutes to go.

Interestingly some of my spunk got her face and dress. No biggie, but she seemed visibly bummed / repulsed. I mention this because I am not sure if the girls there are willing to blow customers or if this was a "special" for me. I highly doubt the latter, and so future patrons need only offer a small tip and should expect to get BBJCIM.

Overall a very ordinary experience.

Sakaisuji
01-14-14, 12:58
I checked out the massage place mentioned here the other night.

Long story short, a fellow can get a massage and a happy ending!

I showed up pretty wasted, but was ushered right in. I do not care for those fake oils a lot of places use, so I went for the oil course sans oil. Basically what it amounted to was a 30-minute hot-water hose down, followed by a 30-minute rub down in a private room. The service was friendly and top notch in both rooms, which was performed by two different girls. After the wash-down, I got the rub down. I was pretty wasted, but about 5 minutes into the rub down her hands found my meat and she started jacking. This was basically what I was after, but I was looking forward to some kind of massage. As I was pretty drunk, I wasn't ready to cum immediately. On a whim I asked her to suck it, which she said she would for an additional 3-thousand. I happily obliged and she went to work BB. The head was not the best I've ever had, quite possibly the worst, but in the end I shot my load with about 5 minutes to go.

Interestingly some of my spunk got her face and dress. No biggie, but she seemed visibly bummed / repulsed. I mention this because I am not sure if the girls there are willing to blow customers or if this was a "special" for me. I highly doubt the latter, and so future patrons need only offer a small tip and should expect to get BBJCIM.

Overall a very ordinary experience.Is Izumi right behind the horse racing building? Is it English friendly?

CodeX
01-14-14, 17:41
Seems expensive for a rub and tug, especially when they don't provide the rub!

But Ill check it out next week for the fun of it.

I pay max ₯10, 000 for FS, ₯7000 for R&T and ₯4500 for a Pink salon similar to Queen but either biggish or oldish). (Wish they had Hinomaru in Osaka)

My freebees have been going strong recently, seems the new year is a great time for social sites.

Been to a few Chinese massage places in Namba, I make them laugh and enjoy it as much as I do and I have managed to get a few "dates" out of it.

I am not going to give away my favs as I got burnt last time but the Sonezaki area has really opened up recently!

I'll become a member soon so that I can trade some more secrets.


I checked out the massage place mentioned here the other night.

Long story short, a fellow can get a massage and a happy ending!

I showed up pretty wasted, but was ushered right in. I do not care for those fake oils a lot of places use, so I went for the oil course sans oil. Basically what it amounted to was a 30-minute hot-water hose down, followed by a 30-minute rub down in a private room. The service was friendly and top notch in both rooms, which was performed by two different girls. After the wash-down, I got the rub down. I was pretty wasted, but about 5 minutes into the rub down her hands found my meat and she started jacking. This was basically what I was after, but I was looking forward to some kind of massage. As I was pretty drunk, I wasn't ready to cum immediately. On a whim I asked her to suck it, which she said she would for an additional 3-thousand. I happily obliged and she went to work BB. The head was not the best I've ever had, quite possibly the worst, but in the end I shot my load with about 5 minutes to go.

Interestingly some of my spunk got her face and dress. No biggie, but she seemed visibly bummed / repulsed. I mention this because I am not sure if the girls there are willing to blow customers or if this was a "special" for me. I highly doubt the latter, and so future patrons need only offer a small tip and should expect to get BBJCIM.

Overall a very ordinary experience.

Camieleke
01-14-14, 22:44
The place is in a street running parallel with Dotonbori. Between Dotonbori and this street, there is a kine of big hall under a building where a lot of men where standing around.

Its just on the opposite side of the small street.

Bob Davis
01-18-14, 00:41
It opens at 4:30. I'm not sure that the Club Queen near Hoop has a web site.This is club queen in Umeda right?

HotAndSpicy
01-18-14, 14:51
Thank you Camieleke for your recommandation on Izumi.

I found it thanks to there website http://esute-izumi.info/index.html Where you can find a map.

Anyway here is a link to gooogle map : https://maps.google.fr/maps?q=34.668334.135. 504395&ll=34. 668404, 135. 504375&spn=0. 000614, 0.001321&num=1&t=h&z=20.

I went there at 8:30pm, nobody outside, then I went to the 1st floor, and then Papa opens the door with a large smile. He offers me the tea and show me the Japanese menu. I explained that I don't speak Japanese, and then with its Iphone he translated that English are welcome! Then he started mimic the different offers. I choose 8000 Y for a full body massage, but not allow to touch anything. If you want to touch you must pay 12000 Y.

For 8000 Y, I enjoyed a 30min traditionnal Chinese massage, very nice one. It makes me totaly relax. After, she started to touch my ass with oil, and then she told me that now it's time to exchange! Then another girl came and directly play with my balls, ass and dick. It was a little bit surprising to have this new girl.

Anyway, she worked well during almos 30 minutes by hand only. She really take care to do it progressively, when she feel that I'm near to jerk she reduce the move, until I can't resist.

Nice experience for 8000Y.

Total: 1 hour.

Sakaisuji
01-20-14, 04:21
This is club queen in Umeda right?The one that is written about frequently on this board is near the department store Hoop in Abeno. If you stand between Kentetsu dept (left) and Hoop (right). Walk. Take the first right you'll pass a bunch of chickens and a parking lot on your left. Turn left at the chickens and make another left at the end. Club Queen (on the left) is easy to spot because of the friendly fellow standing outside. Almost all of the women are in their 40s and look it. I wish they had some overweight and unattractive girls in their 20s, but they don't.

It's 7, 500 for 30 or 40 min and you get a beer. Bring some rubbing alcohol to clean yourself with after.

Sakaisuji
01-20-14, 04:23
[QUOTE=Sakaisuji; 1521732]The one that is written about frequently on this board is near the department store Hoop in Abeno. If you stand between Kentetsu dept (left) and Hoop (right). Walk. Take the first right you'll pass a bunch of chickens and a parking lot on your left. Turn left at the chickens and make another left at the end. Club Queen (on the left) is easy to spot because of the friendly fellow standing outside. Almost all of the women are in their 40s and look it. I wish they had some overweight and unattractive girls in their 20s, but they don't.

It's 7, 500 for 30 or 40 min and you get a beer. Bring some rubbing alcohol to clean yourself with after because they don't check what they put in their mouth.

Illegal
01-20-14, 06:19
Updates from recent Osaka visit, see my post a month or so ago for further details:

Club Queen: Went on a Sunday, finally got a different provider and saw yet another one hadn't seen before, got Akane. 42, thin with cute tits but bad face and breath, bubbly personality, she works all nights but Monday apparently. Did decent job, was lubing my tool with mouth and doing some jacking swapping between hand and mouth, but as the end approached, I gently pushed down on her head to fully put it to work thru completion. As I mentioned before, opens closer to 4 rather than 4:30 mentioned on here, tout outside told me that time in the past and had service soon after 4pm one time and I arrived at 4:30 this time, and the other girl was well into service process already, it may be that girls have a staggered start time, with the first showing 4ish.

Tobita: Went on a Wednesday afternoon, dreary day, many shops closed, limited selection, got Anna. 29, great face and BJ, but understandably hesitant to reveal tits which just flopped to the sides when laying down once released from push-up, did a great job sexually tho (not a fish, and not screaming upon entry, it reasonable approach).

What negotiating have people done at Tobita?

Metabo
01-20-14, 16:03
[QUOTE=Sakaisuji; 1521732]The one that is written about frequently on this board is near the department store Hoop in Abeno. If you stand between Kentetsu dept (left) and Hoop (right). Walk. Take the first right you'll pass a bunch of chickens and a parking lot on your left. Turn left at the chickens and make another left at the end. Club Queen (on the left) is easy to spot because of the friendly fellow standing outside. Almost all of the women are in their 40s and look it. I wish they had some overweight and unattractive girls in their 20s, but they don't.

It's 7, 500 for 30 or 40 min and you get a beer. Bring some rubbing alcohol to clean yourself with after because they don't check what they put in their mouth.What's the point of alcohol? It won't protect you from STDs. Does it have any other beneficial purpose?

Sakaisuji
01-20-14, 23:50
[QUOTE=Sakaisuji; 1521734]What's the point of alcohol? It won't protect you from STDs. Does it have any other beneficial purpose?I am sorry I wrote that. I am wrong and was wrong to write something so foolish.

AussieGaigin
01-21-14, 09:44
[QUOTE=Sakaisuji; 1521734]What's the point of alcohol? It won't protect you from STDs. Does it have any other beneficial purpose?Alcohol is often used as a sterilising agent. It won't protect from STDs, but may reduce the chance of lesser contamination.

LoveShibuyaGirls
01-21-14, 11:13
Dear Osaka friends.

Does anybody have any experience at Club Prae?

Are they gaijin OK?

http://club-prae.com/top.html

Bob Davis
01-24-14, 14:05
What negotiating have people done at Tobita?Have never negotiated myself, but we've seen Japanese people stand in the doorway talking, so I'd assume they are haggling. When I've gone, and it's slow, the mama will usually drop the price, without even me asking. Just sitting there contemplating, and she lowered it. This happened at 3 places so far.

Also, are the mama themselves up for dibs?

CodeX
01-27-14, 14:04
Never been there, but if you like BBW http://www.gekiyasuiin.com/schedule/date/

Is a great place.

They have slender and Fetish too.

They are open to Gaijin but they can be selective. Off peak and with a good demeanor is recommended.

If the girl gets into it, she may go all the way though standard service is pretty awesome.


Dear Osaka friends.

Does anybody have any experience at Club Prae?

Are they gaijin OK?

http://club-prae.com/top.html

Nemo798
01-30-14, 16:40
Hello elders and teachers!

I'm heading towards Osaka in less than a week. I'll be there for about 3 days. Any good pinsaro's to hit up? I know The ones to go to in Tokyo, got to find one or two in Osaka. Hopefully the pricing will be good? I'll be staying in Tennoji area!

Many thanks!

CodeX
01-31-14, 15:36
Club queen is in Tennoji.

Not as good as the ones in Tokyo. Chicks are a bit older and the price is a bit more.

There is another in Umeda a bit cheaper but the girls are hit and miss.

I've had one decent time but too many misses.

Stick with Queen.


Hello elders and teachers!

I'm heading towards Osaka in less than a week. I'll be there for about 3 days. Any good pinsaro's to hit up? I know The ones to go to in Tokyo, got to find one or two in Osaka. Hopefully the pricing will be good? I'll be staying in Tennoji area!

Many thanks!

Nemo798
02-02-14, 13:41
Club queen is in Tennoji.

Not as good as the ones in Tokyo. Chicks are a bit older and the price is a bit more.

There is another in Umeda a bit cheaper but the girls are hit and miss.

I've had one decent time but too many misses.

Stick with Queen.I've looked a club queen and I'm happy with what I saw on their website. Well. Apart from the price.

What's the scene like in Osaka? Any chance I'll meet a good looking street walker?

I'm looking a pinsaro's cause all I really want is a good bbj and maybe a little slap and tickle.

Bob Davis
02-07-14, 02:00
I've looked a club queen and I'm happy with what I saw on their website. Well. Apart from the price.Do you have the site? I've found one, buts if for a club queen in Umeda, different shop I think.

Kei11
02-12-14, 14:36
Hello friends!

I've been living in Japan for a few years now, and can speak basic Japanese. Is there a place in Osaka or Kyoto were I can find a non Japanese western girl, Europeans in hoteheru or try my luck with deriheru. Thank you very much!

Illegal
02-16-14, 03:26
Club queen is in Tennoji.

Not as good as the ones in Tokyo. Chicks are a bit older and the price is a bit more.

There is another in Umeda a bit cheaper but the girls are hit and miss.

I've had one decent time but too many misses.

Stick with Queen.Can you provide the name, location, system, and issues with the Umeda location? Really would like to find a second BJ bar in Osaka and one that opens earlier than queen.

Illegal
02-16-14, 03:32
Have never negotiated myself, but we've seen Japanese people stand in the doorway talking, so I'd assume they are haggling. When I've gone, and it's slow, the mama will usually drop the price, without even me asking. Just sitting there contemplating, and she lowered it. This happened at 3 places so far.

Also, are the mama themselves up for dibs?Thanks, I'll change my approach, I usually walk the whole area twice to enjoy the sites and narrow the list, then walk up on my selection, guess I'll walk up less affirmatively and stall a bit for a lower offer sometime, though often the amount hasn't come up at the front, only once up in the room.

Illegal
02-16-14, 03:38
Never been there, but if you like BBW.

http://www.gekiyasuiin.com/schedule/date/

Is a great place.

They have slender and Fetish too.

They are open to Gaijin but they can be selective. Off peak and with a good demeanor is recommended.

If the girl gets into it, she may go all the way though standard service is pretty awesome.That place looks great, but the map has arrows pointing at 3-4 places, which color arrow is the place and what floor is it on?

Also, what do you get for the basic system (60 min for 8000)? I see some options, am I right that 8000 gets you AF means anal? What are the other options providing?

Thanks in advance!

Homer69
02-28-14, 07:46
Visited Tsumaten last week. This place is well reported here. Whity exit from Umeda Station. It is a reliable gaijin-friendly (basic Japanese absolutely required) hotel-health housewife places. I picked Yuzu. 38, bigger gut than I expected but no problem for me, speaks no English, very friendly, OK face but basically a housewife who looks like a housewife and gives good BBJCIM. She asked me what I wanted to do and I told her FS was not necessary, BBBJ and she seemed relieved. CIM was a bonus and she didn't run to the sink to rinse out right after, either. I don't know if FS is available with the 60-minute course or not. Never tried, never asked and didn't need it. If I want FS I go to Tennoji.

That said, the hotel was decent, a real hotel, not one of those basic rooms, either. Nice size, very clean, nice bath, comfortable bed, etc. One word of warning, you will get an older, plain looking lady here, she will not be stunningly cute or dress really nice, either. This is a housewife place and they all dress the part in my experience so don't expect a stunner or diva. You will get what you pay for. I happen to like those kind of ladies. They are not girl next door, either. They are more like girl next door's mother. They will have one or many of the usual flaws: overweight, slightly smelly, homely, scars, matronly clothes, bad teeth, bad hair, etc. But one thing I have not experienced is bad service. Always got BBBJ, occasional CIM, usually not.

FLT09
03-06-14, 00:25
Hey everyone,

My first go on the Japanese forum here. I live in Korea and will be going to Osaka for the weekend. I know Japan and Korea are similar with a lot of places not being foreigner friendly. I was hoping to get a tip on a Soapland style place in Osaka that is ok with foreigners. The body2body soap massage and FS style place. Any tips that will keep me from having to wander to much would be great. I will keep reading through the forum, but a lot of the Japanese terms I'm not sure of what they actually offer. PM me if possible. Thanks.

FLT.

Metabo
03-07-14, 03:26
Visited Tsumaten last week. This place is well reported here. Whity exit from Umeda Station. It is a reliable gaijin-friendly (basic Japanese absolutely required) hotel-health housewife places. I picked Yuzu. 38, bigger gut than I expected but no problem for me, speaks no English, very friendly, OK face but basically a housewife who looks like a housewife and gives good BBJCIM. She asked me what I wanted to do and I told her FS was not necessary, BBBJ and she seemed relieved. CIM was a bonus and she didn't run to the sink to rinse out right after, either. I don't know if FS is available with the 60-minute course or not. Never tried, never asked and didn't need it. If I want FS I go to Tennoji.

That said, the hotel was decent, a real hotel, not one of those basic rooms, either. Nice size, very clean, nice bath, comfortable bed, etc. One word of warning, you will get an older, plain looking lady here, she will not be stunningly cute or dress really nice, either. This is a housewife place and they all dress the part in my experience so don't expect a stunner or diva. You will get what you pay for. I happen to like those kind of ladies. They are not girl next door, either. They are more like girl next door's mother. They will have one or many of the usual flaws: overweight, slightly smelly, homely, scars, matronly clothes, bad teeth, bad hair, etc. But one thing I have not experienced is bad service. Always got BBBJ, occasional CIM, usually not.Great post, Homer. I also share a fetish for motherly-type obachans. Would you mind sharing a little more of the details of the experience? If it is not too much trouble walk me thru your date. What happened first? Next? And finally how much should I expect to pay for something like you got? I check the website, but it is not totally clear. What what was your total cost?

Homer69
03-09-14, 04:25
Great post, Homer. I also share a fetish for motherly-type obachans. Would you mind sharing a little more of the details of the experience? If it is not too much trouble walk me thru your date. What happened first? Next? And finally how much should I expect to pay for something like you got? I check the website, but it is not totally clear. What what was your total cost?I think the total was 8999, with 1000 for choosing. 7999 special for 60 is on the website. This includes the hotel.

Basically, you pay, wait in the small room and when the lady is ready you walk down the stairs and go to the hotel. She filled the tub, scrubbed and dried off and proceeded to the bed. Usual small talk and then she proceeded to get to work. She does DFK but I'm not too thrilled about that during the winter when all of these cold and flu bugs are going around. I guess if that's your thing then you can ask for it.

In my experience with this place and prior when it was Frejia, the skill and performance is not like a soap or full-blown fashion health. It is more like amateur housewives working very hard to make a living. This is a bargain-basement place and the price reflects it. They don't get the best or highest skilled ladies. The place down the hall on the same floor does but it is not gaijin-friendly at all and a whole lot more expensive (14000 or something like that for 40 minutes) , if I recall. I've used them but the younger professional ladies are just not my thing, too mechanical, too professional and not very much in the personality department, if you get my drift.

Illegal
03-11-14, 02:45
Hey everyone,

My first go on the Japanese forum here. I live in Korea and will be going to Osaka for the weekend. I know Japan and Korea are similar with a lot of places not being foreigner friendly. I was hoping to get a tip on a Soapland style place in Osaka that is ok with foreigners. The body2body soap massage and FS style place. Any tips that will keep me from having to wander to much would be great. I will keep reading through the forum, but a lot of the Japanese terms I'm not sure of what they actually offer. PM me if possible. Thanks.

FLT.Not exactly what you are looking for, but soapy body 2 body available at Club Amour, no FS though, see my post in December 2013 a couple of pages back for experience description, and some pages prior, you can find very precise directions to this place, which is basically just north of famous Dotombori bridge in Shinsaibashi (just north of Namba) , and after crossing bridge going north, go west 3 blocks or so (past Spotaka building, may actually be one block further north).

Bubba999
03-22-14, 00:41
Hi Codex.

Thanks for this post. My first trip to Japan coming up and this place is exactly what I was looking for. But together with Illegal, can I ask for a few more details. E. G. Better indication of location, which floor and exactly what is offered in a standard service? . I see how you can order specials. Also my Japanese is non existent (I almost typed "almost non existent". But lets be honest"). Is it possible to be accepted here for a older, well dressed guy arriving during off peak (morning until mid afternoon)

Thanks for your help.

Bubba.


Never been there, but if you like BBW.

http://www.gekiyasuiin.com/schedule/date/

Is a great place.

They have slender and Fetish too.

They are open to Gaijin but they can be selective. Off peak and with a good demeanor is recommended.

If the girl gets into it, she may go all the way though standard service is pretty awesome.

Homer69
03-22-14, 16:54
These sister shops are all in Dotonbori. They are hotel healths and it may be a challenge without basic Japanese skills. It is going to depend on the tencho and whether or not a lady is available to service you. It won't hurt to try but you need to be thick-skinned and be ready to be turned down. Hotel healths go to local hotels and the room quality varies greatly. The problem with no language skills is you won't be able to communicate about this. You may be put into a sub-par, small room which is nothing more than a booth, or you may get a nice room with nice bed and bath. You could hit the jackpot and find a tencho who speaks a little English and there is a lady there willing to go with you, but don't expect much before you try.


Hi Codex.

Thanks for this post. My first trip to Japan coming up and this place is exactly what I was looking for. But together with Illegal, can I ask for a few more details. E. G. Better indication of location, which floor and exactly what is offered in a standard service? . I see how you can order specials. Also my Japanese is non existent (I almost typed "almost non existent". But lets be honest"). Is it possible to be accepted here for a older, well dressed guy arriving during off peak (morning until mid afternoon)

Thanks for your help.

Bubba.

CodeX
03-22-14, 17:53
Bubba! Who are you?

Judging by your posts, you are the James Bond / Casanova of this site!

Do you get paid to travel the world a sample the worlds finest service providers? LOL.

Anyway, the link I provided gives you the exact location and cost of the shop. You will need to organize some type of gps mapping to help you find it as Japanese streets are difficult to navigate.

As Bubba said, once you find it, enter and try your best. Depending on the Minder (Tencho) and the keenness of the girl (yes or no) you will be accepted or not.

If it doesn't go well, there are some places nearby that can give you an authentic Japanese experience at a much higher price (Club Amour). And around these are plenty of Chinese places offering massage+ for a decent price.

Hope it goes well for you!

If you have problems check back, and Ill see what I can advice.

Rant below;

I rarely browse this site since some members burned me a while ago.

I spend a lot of money "researching" and have had some goldmines shut down by others.

Be considerate and understanding of the service providers, and be willing to be respectful to those who reject you.


These sister shops are all in Dotonbori. They are hotel healths and it may be a challenge without basic Japanese skills. It is going to depend on the tencho and whether or not a lady is available to service you. It won't hurt to try but you need to be thick-skinned and be ready to be turned down. Hotel healths go to local hotels and the room quality varies greatly. The problem with no language skills is you won't be able to communicate about this. You may be put into a sub-par, small room which is nothing more than a booth, or you may get a nice room with nice bed and bath. You could hit the jackpot and find a tencho who speaks a little English and there is a lady there willing to go with you, but don't expect much before you try.

Bubba999
03-22-14, 22:31
Thanks Homer. Appreciate that. Ha! I developed that thick skin about knockbacks in high school but you just keep trying. For sure I will give it a go and let people know what happens!


These sister shops are all in Dotonbori. They are hotel healths and it may be a challenge without basic Japanese skills. It is going to depend on the tencho and whether or not a lady is available to service you. It won't hurt to try but you need to be thick-skinned and be ready to be turned down. Hotel healths go to local hotels and the room quality varies greatly. The problem with no language skills is you won't be able to communicate about this. You may be put into a sub-par, small room which is nothing more than a booth, or you may get a nice room with nice bed and bath. You could hit the jackpot and find a tencho who speaks a little English and there is a lady there willing to go with you, but don't expect much before you try.

Sugoi
03-24-14, 13:10
Can someone PM me on a place to go in Osaka or Kyoto? It will be my first time there, I'm familiar with the Tokyo area but not down here.

Thanks.

AussieGaigin
03-24-14, 20:14
Maybe you could contact DeepImpact in the Tokyo thread and swap notes.

Bubba999
03-25-14, 03:12
Thanks Codex. Well at my age time is short and travel cheap so have to keep going!. LOL....Phils, Japan, Uganda, Germany and Brazil in this trip! But thanks for that extra info and encouragement. I will check it out. I have another expensive option but it's nice to have a backup. Will report after I give it a burl! More later.

Cheers.

Bubba

Zekelk
03-28-14, 06:52
I went to Gekiyasuiin (http://www.gekiyasuiin.com/home/) the other day. The store is located close to Nipponbashi station, in a building full of similar stores. Asked the tencho if all the girls accept foreigners, he said they do as long as they understand Japanese. The only one available right away was Maho (just started, and not listed on the homepage) , so I went with her. 8000 + 1000 yen for choosing the girl, with hotel included. The girl showed up and we walked to the hotel across the street. She was chubby, but not bad-looking. Decent hotel room, she said she was nervous since it was her first time with a foreigner. Went in the shower, then to the bed, and she started kissing and then went for a pretty good BBBJ. After some DATY she asked me if I wanted to put it in, apparently that's standard service with her. All in all a decent experience, and 9000 yen for an hour including FS with a Japanese girl is pretty good in my book. I'll probably go again, though next time I'll try a different girl.

Nitr0
04-08-14, 13:15
This is a chain of "erotic" massage shops with locations in various cities.

Anyway, I have used the service a couple times now in Kyoto and it is just as advertised on the website (just google the title of my post).

The girl showers you, gives a massage, takes off her bra, and then gives a pretty nice, long HJ as she rubs up against you.

The big downside is that for 60 mins it is 14, 000 for the service and 2, 000 for a hotel in the Gion area.

Due to the price, I would probably never use this shop in Osaka (where I would instead go to health places like Muki Tamago, Amour, etc.) , but we are talking about Kyoto here.

The only other gaijin-friendly options I know in Kyoto are pink salons (discussed earlier in this thread) , and while they have place (for me personally when I'm already pretty drunk) almost all of the girls there are chubby / unattractive. All the health shops in Kyoto seem non-gaijin friendly (unfortunate but kind of understandable since the whole Kiyamachi area gets so much tourist foot traffic). While I usually go to Osaka if I have time, many times I do have enough spare time to make the 90 minute round trip from downtown Kyoto.

The upside of Kyoto Erotic Massage is that girls all seem to be young, cute, stylish, and Japanese. Since I'm a big fan of Japanese girls' style and I speak good Japanese and like flirting / chatting with J-girls, the fact they are Japanese (vs. Being from somewhere else in Asia at most other massage places) is probably worth 3 or 4, 000 yen to me personally.

Request: Can anyone recommend a gaijin-friendly delivery health in Kyoto? If you don't wish to share with the whole forum, a PM would be just fine. Eventually I will call up a some places myself, but currently my free time outside the home is pretty limited due to my situation with still having young kids, so I when I do get free time I usually go for the sure thing.

MisterJunah
04-13-14, 01:18
Hey guys,

I am heading to Osaka for the first time next week and have been researching my options. I think I like the idea of fashion health place like club Amour, but having never had this experience, I have a few questions I hope someone can answer.

- I know the rule is no sex. Is this pretty much 100% of the case? Do the higher cost / longer time courses ever give you a better chance at this?

- are the girls all as hot as they look on the website? Because the pics are all awesome.

- and what happens if I am able to pop more than once in the time allotted. Is it game over, or does the program continue until time is out?

- is pretty much everything but actual sex allowed? I. E. Dfw, BBBJ, DATY?

- can anyone recommend another place better than amour? I am Japanese American and my advantage is that I can actually speak fairly passable Japanese.

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Homer69
04-13-14, 18:38
No sex. Don't even ask. You can make the lady very uncomfortable. If she happens to offer then consider it a bonus. The tencho will probably tell you no sex, anyway. This is a licensed place and legitimate (in terms of law enforcement). This is the reason why they are more expensive than most places. Services are up to the lady. In my experience, they are not as young and hot as the website but you shouldn't be disappointed. Also, as a foreigner you don't get the morning discount so don't bother waking up early.

Hotel healths are probably a "better deal" if that is what you are looking for but you will have to pay about the same or more to get a nice hot lady.


Hey guys,

I am heading to Osaka for the first time next week and have been researching my options. I think I like the idea of fashion health place like club Amour, but having never had this experience, I have a few questions I hope someone can answer.

- I know the rule is no sex. Is this pretty much 100% of the case? Do the higher cost / longer time courses ever give you a better chance at this?

- are the girls all as hot as they look on the website? Because the pics are all awesome.

- and what happens if I am able to pop more than once in the time allotted. Is it game over, or does the program continue until time is out?

- is pretty much everything but actual sex allowed? I. E. Dfw, BBBJ, DATY?

- can anyone recommend another place better than amour? I am Japanese American and my advantage is that I can actually speak fairly passable Japanese.

Thanks in advance for all your help.

MisterJunah
04-14-14, 12:17
Thanks Homer,

I will heed your words. I'm willing to pay the higher cost as long the girl is at least a reasonable facsimile to the picture and the session involves more than just a lame HJ. I ll check it out. Hopefully I get lucky with my choice of girl.

Unless someone has any other suggestions?


No sex. Don't even ask. You can make the lady very uncomfortable. If she happens to offer then consider it a bonus. The tencho will probably tell you no sex, anyway. This is a licensed place and legitimate (in terms of law enforcement). This is the reason why they are more expensive than most places. Services are up to the lady. In my experience, they are not as young and hot as the website but you shouldn't be disappointed. Also, as a foreigner you don't get the morning discount so don't bother waking up early.

Hotel healths are probably a "better deal" if that is what you are looking for but you will have to pay about the same or more to get a nice hot lady.

FunMan13
04-18-14, 06:53
Hi Homer69,

I went back and read this thread up to April 2012 but I did not find any mention of a website for this Tsumaten in Umeda. Can you enlighten me? I will be in Osaka in the second week of June and looking forward to this form of mongering which will be a new experience for me. Thanks.

Funman13.


I think the total was 8999, with 1000 for choosing. 7999 special for 60 is on the website. This includes the hotel.

Basically, you pay, wait in the small room and when the lady is ready you walk down the stairs and go to the hotel. She filled the tub, scrubbed and dried off and proceeded to the bed. Usual small talk and then she proceeded to get to work. She does DFK but I'm not too thrilled about that during the winter when all of these cold and flu bugs are going around. I guess if that's your thing then you can ask for it.

In my experience with this place and prior when it was Frejia, the skill and performance is not like a soap or full-blown fashion health. It is more like amateur housewives working very hard to make a living. This is a bargain-basement place and the price reflects it. They don't get the best or highest skilled ladies. The place down the hall on the same floor does but it is not gaijin-friendly at all and a whole lot more expensive (14000 or something like that for 40 minutes) , if I recall. I've used them but the younger professional ladies are just not my thing, too mechanical, too professional and not very much in the personality department, if you get my drift.

Bubba999
04-22-14, 00:59
Tried this place that I found online.

http://japanese-fetish-femdom.com

Obviously it's for those who are interested in B&D type activities. Very easy to call and arrange a session as the receptionists all were fluent English speakers. I speak no Japanese.

I was given an easy to find meeting spot near Osaka Station and then a call to receptionists guided me to a nearby love hotel where two girls met me outside. One spoke OK English and the other only a very little. I would rate them as 6- 7 on he looks scale and one aged 23 and the other 25. Both removed their big coats inside the room to reveal schoolgirl sailor suits so that ticked a fantasy!

All the activities happened as described and requested and I would rate it a good B&D session. Girls very friendly, accommodating of my wishes and overall lots of fun. Not cheap at 38000 Y for a 90 min session but by the standards for good B&D sessions with a single experienced domme in Europe and Australia, it was very similar.

Obviously having two girls at once is a bit of an indulgence and more times than not, threesomes don't work out. In fact I had a subsequent session from this agency with a single girl who was a solid 8 and she was perhaps a bit more adventurous. Whatever, I know this sort of activity is not for everyone but hope this info helps other BMs looking for this sort of thing with Japanese girls. The website given above is very detailed and should answer most questions. As always respectful behaviour pays off!

Bubba999
04-25-14, 00:05
[QUOTE=Gentleman17]I am happy to report that safer sex is easily available to foreign visitors to Osaka (gaijin) in April. 2010, even those who speak no Japanese.

Thanks to Gentleman17 for his comprehensive report. Nothing startlingly new to add as a result of my visit but I guess I would say that going earlier increases your chance of acceptance. I am a tall slim. 58 year old and was well dressed but speak no Japanese. I was walking around from 3:30 in the afternoon and I would guess about 50% of shops were open. I estimate that I was encouraged to come inside in 90% of those. Later at about 6:30 pm. More shops were open but places that I was welcomed were not always "open" to me at this later time.

Plenty of stunning girls, more as the evening progresses. I warmed up with a motherly type in the shops outside the freeway overpass (30 mins = 11,000) and then moved on to a young slim hot girl at 21,000 for 30 mins.

Everything as described before and I would say this is the safest place (almost blandly so!) that I have ever mongered. Enjoyable none the less. So it's a balance between beating the crowds and ensuring that there are enough shops open to give you choice.

Bushido2130
04-29-14, 13:33
How safe is the sex in Tobita Shinchi from STD's and STI's? I know condoms are used, but I plan to go and am curious about it.

SpyderMunky
04-29-14, 15:44
Hi everyone,

I'm new to Osaka, I've been here for about a month now and been to Tobita Shinchi a few times now, don't get me wrong, the girls there are beautiful but I'm getting tired of walking up and down the streets to see if there are any new faces.

I've tried the Escort Exotic Massage with Karin and she is gorgeous, we met in Nihonbashi and went to a love hotel, but not being able to touch her, killed me.

On my way out I saw another girl, very sexy, and she ran off before I can get anymore information and Karin was still with me, so I didn't want to be disrespectful.

I was wondering if anyone can help me out, I want to start meeting new girls, younger Japanese girls, very petite and small, height wise.

I don't know where to start or where to look, if anyone can help me out, please PM me.

Thank you!

SpyderMunky
04-29-14, 23:34
Hi everyone,

I'm new to Osaka, I've been here for about a month now and been to Tobita Shinchi a few times now, don't get me wrong, the girls there are beautiful but I'm getting tired of walking up and down the streets to see if there are any new faces.

I've tried the Escort Exotic Massage with Karin and she is gorgeous, we met in Nihonbashi and went to a love hotel, but not being able to touch her, killed me.

On my way out I saw another girl, very sexy, and she ran off before I can get anymore information and Karin was still with me, so I didn't want to be disrespectful.

I was wondering if anyone can help me out, I want to start meeting new girls, younger Japanese girls, very petite and small, height wise.

I don't know where to start or where to look, if anyone can help me out, please PM me.

Thank you!I didn't know I can't use the PM features on this, please reply back here.

Thank you!

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FunMan13
05-15-14, 07:22
Homer69,

Thanks for your PM. Unfortunately my Japanese is almost zero. Nevertheless I am going to try. Those Japanese MILFs are so HOT.... It's worth the effort. Wish me luck.

Funman13.

Homer69
05-22-14, 06:50
They are not as hot as the pics. They are not excessively photoshopped or anything like that but don't get your hopes up too high.


Homer69,

Thanks for your PM. Unfortunately my Japanese is almost zero. Nevertheless I am going to try. Those Japanese MILFs are so HOT.... It's worth the effort. Wish me luck.

Funman13.

Bushido2130
05-26-14, 15:39
They are not as hot as the pics. They are not excessively photoshopped or anything like that but don't get your hopes up too high.How are the girls in Tobita? I hear they are pretty hot. I am gaijin, but my Japanese is pretty good. I'll be in Osaka soon and would like to check it out.

FSnowdon
05-27-14, 14:39
There are so many reports extolling Tobita that this seems almost unnecessary, but here's my experience.

First some context. I'm a 38 year old guy with long hair and a beard and I speak close to no Japanese, although I have some basic phrases from being a tourist here on previous occasions. Walking around Tobita a few times during the past week I would say that close to 80% of places were open to me with many of the mamasan quite actively trying to get me business; there was even one girl who called out in quite good English. Short version, most places are open to gaijin, and quite a large proportion of those actively so.

SOP in each house was the same. Agree a time with the mamasan, go upstairs (sometimes with the girl, sometimes with the girl following shortly thereafter), the girl brings a tray with a drink and some snacks (it is technically a restaurant, so I believe that this is the meal you pay for), the girl asks you to get undressed while she goes off to freshen up, the girl comes back, takes her clothes off, asks you to lie face up on the futon and the service begins. Once the time is over the bell rings, you get dressed and leave. Note that this is different to some previous reports which suggested that the bell rings 5 minutes before; for me, in each case, the bell rang at the end of the full time.

During my time, I met with four different girls for 20 minutes each (at a cost of 16,000 Yen). I also think that I experienced all four of the levels of service which are available which I'll expound on below.

1/ (17:30) The mamasan asked me if I spoke Japanese to which I replied 'chyotto' (which means 'a little') and once I was able to understand the price (after they repeated twice) there was no problem even though it was clear that I couldn't say much. Zero Japanese ability might have been a problem, but even very basic was enough in this case. The girl was 23-year old, had almost no English, and gave a very pleasant CBJ followed by missionary. Other positions would have been no problem, but I wanted the girl as comfortable as possible with me so I let her lead. Once finished, I was directed to put on my clothes and left straight away (regardless of remaining time).

2/ (18:00) This time I chose a girl in a maid outfit, 22-years old and very cute. Having experience with the system it was much easier this time to just ask for 20 minutes and be led upstairs. This was a little different as the girl suggested that she leave the maid costume on (which I worked out from charades and the fact that she left it on); this was absolutely what I wanted but it would have been difficult to say otherwise had I not. She then asked "kiss okay?" and was open to DFK. Moved on to CBJ, cowgirl, and missionary. She made very nice noises right from the very beginning which I love, but I know aren't everyone's cup-of-tea. Once finished, we chatted awkwardly in broken English until the time was up and I put on my clothes and left. All in all, I was very happy, and in fact went back to try to find her again (and failed).

3/ (17:00) This time I chose a very cute manga looking girl, about 20-years old. The mamasan had a written list of times and prices at the front, so it was straight-foward to organise 20 minutes (point and say 'kore' Unfortunately, this girl was clearly quite uncomfortable during service; I don't know if it was me or if she was just awkward. She was actually laughing a bit during, which I found endearing and off-putting at the same time. The whole thing was quick and uncomfortable and a poor service overall. I don't blame the girl, she was actually lovely and tried to be friendly even though she spoke no English and I very almost no Japanese. Before time was up, I suggested that I leave, put my clothes on and left.

4/ (21:00) Cute busty girl, 25-years old, spoke English well enough for simple conversation. Very friendly mamasan; she loved my shoes Once in the room we started with a quick friendly chat (the girl not the mamasan) and she left me to undress. She was also very friendly and outgoing. She suggested kissing, which I was okay with, and service in this case consisted of a BBBJ, followed by cowgirl and missionary. Afterward we lay on the bed, chatted a while until the bell went. Quite a nice GFE.

As to the quality of the girls; well, as far as I'm concerned, all the girls are extremely cute and I'd not turn a one of them down, but I love the Japanese look so I might be biased.

Ralph Kramden
05-28-14, 13:48
Thank you for an excellent report FS. It makes me want to make a trip to Osaka. Would you mind revealing some prices please.

Homer69
05-28-14, 14:47
He mentioned the standard price of 16,000 for 20 minutes.


Thank you for an excellent report FS. It makes me want to make a trip to Osaka. Would you mind revealing some prices please.

FunMan13
06-06-14, 05:04
Excellent Report, FSnowdon. I will be in Osaka in 2 weeks. Hope to have the same experience. Thanks.

Djb1111
06-14-14, 00:53
Hello,

I plan to visit the Kansai area in the next couple of months and would like to seek your advice.

Technically, I am not a newbie as I was a member here about 8 years ago under a different alias.

I am looking for some decent massage places and have been reading all the previous posts here trying to do my homework. Not looking for FS, since my Japanese skills are zero which pretty much means no FS.

Can anyone tell me what this site has to offer: www.chai-es.com ?

Also, there was this place called Miyako near the Dotonbori bridge that offered massage with some kind of (shark skin?) oil. Is it still around?

Any other suggestions?

Thank you very much.

D

Illegal
06-19-14, 06:35
How are the girls in Tobita? I hear they are pretty hot. I am gaijin, but my Japanese is pretty good. I'll be in Osaka soon and would like to check it out.There is a range but some pretty good ones and a variety, though most are generally very dolled up, and particularly use push up bras, so don't base your choice on assets that probably aren't there, pick on face, personality (smile nicely or wave, thus some interest), etc.

Nitr0
06-26-14, 04:03
There is a range but some pretty good ones and a variety, though most are generally very dolled up, and particularly use push up bras, so don't base your choice on assets that probably aren't there, pick on face, personality (smile nicely or wave, thus some interest), etc.I think this is good advice.

I have been to Tobita twice in the last month, so I'll give a overview of my experience.

The first time I went right around 1 pm and many shops were still closed. However, at least a dozen shops were open and I got a call out from the Mama-san at almost every shop. (For reference, I am a white guy who's around 30 years old but I wear Japanese fashions and have a very "anime'ish" hairstyle like many Japanese my age). I went for the the cutest girl I saw. The Mama-san was enthusiastically calling me over, but the girl seemed slightly nervous. The girl was less nervous when she heard me speak (I have very strong spoken Japanese). I went for the 30 minute course for 21,000 yen. Anyway, the girl was super cute with a small frame, smallish tits, and a very beautiful face. I found out she was 20 (she even showed me photos from her and her friends in kimonos for coming of age ceremony) and it was only her second day on the job and I was her first gaijin ever. Since she was new to all this, she didn't start with a BJ and wanted FS in missionary position only, but she was fine with DFK and titty licking. Given that it was missionary only, the FS was pretty good and afterward she really opened up and we had fun chatting in the few remaining minutes. I would like to visit her again sometime when she's more experienced. As a side note, someone mentioned that girls here might be coming from a lower economic class background than your average girl working at a regular health place. This might very well be the case, but this particular girl mentioned how she had been to Guam twice and Hawaii once with her family, so I would think she has a middle class background.

The second time I went around 5:30 pm and most shops were open and there were many options. I think the call out rate I got was 80% or so, and some girls were very enthusiastic (blowing kisses, making hearts with their fingers, etc.) This time I went with a girl with both an super hot face and body. As the girls are all dolled up, maybe I just got really lucky, but this girl's face was as beautiful as Kira's (at Happy Berry in Kabukicho) and for me personally she had the best body out of any girl I have ever been with. Very toned and slim with C cups (American size), a great ass, and perfect skin. I again went for 30 minutes for 21,000 yen. She tells me she is 23 and just started a few weeks ago. Maybe she was just trying for repeat business, but she immediately said I was super kakkoii and why not just go nampa any girl I like in Shinsaibashi. I told her nampa is a pain cause I'm married, have a young kid, and am limited on time. (That said, I do nampa girls the rare times I have a full night out to myself.) We found out she has the same hometown (outside of Kansai) as my wife, and that really amused her. Anyway, we started with DFK then she went on to a CBJ and then onto FS cowgirl, doggy style, and finishing missionary. She was really into it and it was like a PSE. Definitely the best P4 P experience I have ever had. I will try to find her again. Finally, she mentioned that she (and many other girls) like gaijin, but they get nervous if he doesn't speak any Japanese. So for those of you from out of town, perhaps even a few little Japanese phrases could help set the girls at ease.

OldAsiaHand
06-29-14, 12:28
I've been to Tobita a few times in the past couple of months. I am an old, fat and ugly gaijin with zero Japanese language skills. That said, I still get an 80+% dozo rate even during the prime business period lately. This is up considerably from a few years ago when it was 30% at most, even less on the main two lanes and even lower during prime time.

I won't go into the details about the girls I did but I always seem to get excellent service and a thank you with a smile. I always find the thank you amusing but I guess it is standard protocol. One thing I did notice is that BBBJ seems to be less available and most girls insist on CBJ. Is this a trend or only me?

What I don't see posted here is that you can get 15 minutes for only 11 k JPY if that works for you.

Just my POV.

OAH.

FSnowdon
07-02-14, 21:23
What I don't see posted here is that you can get 15 minutes for only 11 k JPY if that works for you.Did you actually get this rate or just see it written down?

I ask because although none of the girls I saw had a 15 minute rate, in each case there was a 15 minute time extension available; it would be easy to misunderstand this as a 15 minute rate if you weren't able to read the Japanese. I've heard that some of the girls (older?) have different rates but I have no personal experience of that.

Nitr0
07-03-14, 02:14
Did you actually get this rate or just see it written down?

I ask because although none of the girls I saw had a 15 minute rate, in each case there was a 15 minute time extension available; it would be easy to misunderstand this as a 15 minute rate if you weren't able to read the Japanese. I've heard that some of the girls (older?) have different rates but I have no personal experience of that.In my case, 20 minutes was the shortest time written down, but the girl mentioned 15 minutes was also possible for a lower price. Personally, a time as short as 15 minutes does not work for me, but if it does for you go for it.

OldAsiaHand
07-03-14, 07:28
Did you actually get this rate or just see it written down?

I ask because although none of the girls I saw had a 15 minute rate, in each case there was a 15 minute time extension available; it would be easy to misunderstand this as a 15 minute rate if you weren't able to read the Japanese. I've heard that some of the girls (older?) have different rates but I have no personal experience of that.FSnowdon,

I have always been able to get the rate even with no sign or menu. Most places, especially the main drags and the younger girls only publish 16 k /20 minutes and you must ask for 11 k /15 minutes if you want it. That said, I did see the 11 k sign where the older girls were but Iwas not interested in the girl available there. I have seen several different offers; the best was 30 minutes for 21 k at one place. Others, we buy 5 minutes more, get 10 minutes e. G. 25 minutes for 21 k. YMMV.

Just my POV.

OAH.

Illegal
07-10-14, 03:06
I won't go into the details about the girls I did but I always seem to get excellent service and a thank you with a smile. I always find the thank you amusing but I guess it is standard protocol. One thing I did notice is that BBBJ seems to be less available and most girls insist on CBJ. Is this a trend or only me?When I read about Tobita before ever going, everyone said it was all CBJ, so when I went the first time a few years back and got BBBJ, I was very surprised. But I have been several times since, and it has always been CBJ thereafter, so I think the one time was an exception.


What I don't see posted here is that you can get 15 minutes for only 11 k JPY if that works for you.Yeah, I have seen that somewhat hidden a few times or maybe just up in the rooms and not on the downstairs boards, but 20 minutes is already pretty short, 15 minutes includes dressing and undressing, the girl leaving and returning with the snack, etc. , doesn't seem like worth the trouble to try to pull off in that time and risk not doing it. If you are that low on $, just wank it at home and save up for the 20 minutes.

Saint Of Killers
07-10-14, 14:32
CBJ is the norm in Tobita, and BBBJ is the exception from my experience. Most girls won't do it since they see so many customers per week. If you find a girl that does BBBJ consider yourself lucky; I haven't met one and I've been mongering there for the past 5 years.

Nitr0
07-11-14, 05:04
CBJ is the norm in Tobita, and BBBJ is the exception from my experience. Most girls won't do it since they see so many customers per week. If you find a girl that does BBBJ consider yourself lucky; I haven't met one and I've been mongering there for the past 5 years.I have been 4 times now and the first 3 were CBJ but the last one was surprisingly BBBJ.

SiranDrew
07-15-14, 10:12
I'm in Kyoto for a few days looking for a girl to come to the hotel to give a good massage with a hand job after. Any recs? Pm or reply.

Thanks!

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Nola Kenner
07-17-14, 02:44
I'm in Kyoto for a few days looking for a girl to come to the hotel to give a good massage with a hand job after. Any recs? Pm or reply.

Thanks!Try the fashion health salons around the Shijo Dori area. I don't remember the exact location but I found a couple while roaming around that area. It was last year and I think it was associated with the color pink. Try to go there early when business is slow and maybe you will get a deal. They are expensive though, JPY10,000 for 30 minutes. It was incall though, but I believe they offer out call.

Good luck and report here.

OldAsiaHand
07-20-14, 04:07
I have been 4 times now and the first 3 were CBJ but the last one was surprisingly BBBJ.I am in Tobita whenever I visit Osaka for the past 10 years. I have not had any BBBJ in the past 2-3 years and I usually ask for it. That said, the dozo rate for gaijin has increased tremendously over the years.

On a side note, the new Marriott Hotel is fantastic and only a 5 minute walk to the action.

Just my POV.

OAH.

VagigiLover
07-25-14, 23:30
Hello mongers,

I will be trying a flight alternative through Osaka for the first time. If anyone wants to try to connect PM me. I'll be staying at the Sheraton Miyako Hotel Osaka. I have spent ample time in Tokyo watching the young beauties run to work every morning and was able to have a few for myself. Love Japanese women. Love introducing them to Caucasian penis!

Ciao!

RysZardo
07-30-14, 15:55
Hi guys,

I came to Kobe one week ago. I'm going to be here more than a month. Do you know any good places with nice girls to fuck? I ve seen only bar girls, where Japanese guys pay for talk with nice girls it s not even a striptease place. Are there any websites with advetisements or some escorts? I'm looking forward for response.

KumQuat101
08-09-14, 06:09
Any tips & suggestions to a beginner? I have been mistaken for being Japanese on multiple occasions, but unfortunately can't speak the language. I will be in the Kansai area for a few days!

Member #4270
08-23-14, 18:55
Any tips & suggestions to a beginner? I have been mistaken for being Japanese on multiple occasions, but unfortunately can't speak the language. I will be in the Kansai area for a few days!Being recently in Tobita Shinchi, my experience was that they are very friendly and open to foreigners. Of all the brothels, almost 80% welcomed me, even though I'm visibly caucasian. The parlor I visited had a menu in English, so evidently they are expecting customers that don't speak Japanese. That being said, I would recommend at least learning a few Japanese expressions to get yourself inside the parlor (ask here for help if you need).

Another option is 'health delivery', Japanese Escort Girls is a good service in Kansai, and they have a desk line in English. Some girls know some basic English, and even the girls who don't still don't refuse foreigners, but communication can be tricky. Health delivery is more discrete and you also get to shower, but there is no FS. On the other hand, your chances of FS are higher in Tobita Shinchi. In both cases, prices are rather similar, around 20.000 yen for 30 minutes.

To the regulars of Tobita Shinchi in this forum, how common is FS? I got FS in my first try, and was surprised since I frankly didn't expect it. Is it the norm in Tobita Shinchi?

After trying some Japanese girls, I'm now curious about Southeast Asian girls, as well as Russians and Latinas. Could someone in this forum recommend me a 'health delivery' system with foreign girls, or a brothel friendly to foreigners. My Japanese is good, so language is not a problem, but I'm too naive looking and get very bad deals / girls on pink salons, so now I avoid those and prefer places where I can choose the girl beforehand.

RysZardo
08-23-14, 21:20
Hey guys,

I really need help. I've no idea where I can find nice girls here. I can see only ughly Chinese girls offering massage. That s not what I m looking for. Maybe you can advise some internet services in Kobe / Osaka.

Saint Of Killers
08-24-14, 03:24
Being recently in Tobita Shinchi, my experience was that they are very friendly and open to foreigners. Of all the brothels, almost 80% welcomed me, even though I'm visibly caucasian. The parlor I visited had a menu in English, so evidently they are expecting customers that don't speak Japanese. That being said, I would recommend at least learning a few Japanese expressions to get yourself inside the parlor (ask here for help if you need).

Another option is 'health delivery', Japanese Escort Girls is a good service in Kansai, and they have a desk line in English. Some girls know some basic English, and even the girls who don't still don't refuse foreigners, but communication can be tricky. Health delivery is more discrete and you also get to shower, but there is no FS. On the other hand, your chances of FS are higher in Tobita Shinchi. In both cases, prices are rather similar, around 20.000 yen for 30 minutes.

To the regulars of Tobita Shinchi in this forum, how common is FS? I got FS in my first try, and was surprised since I frankly didn't expect it. Is it the norm in Tobita Shinchi?

After trying some Japanese girls, I'm now curious about Southeast Asian girls, as well as Russians and Latinas. Could someone in this forum recommend me a 'health delivery' system with foreign girls, or a brothel friendly to foreigners. My Japanese is good, so language is not a problem, but I'm too naive looking and get very bad deals / girls on pink salons, so now I avoid those and prefer places where I can choose the girl beforehand.Tobita is guaranteed FS, that's what it's there for.

Any places offering foreign girls should be IMO avoided. The large majority of them are bait and switch joints.

Member #4270
08-24-14, 05:52
Tobita is guaranteed FS, that's what it's there for.

Any places offering foreign girls should be IMO avoided. The large majority of them are bait and switch joints.Thanks for the clarification on Tobita and FS. It seems like the best option for guaranteed FS in Kansai area then, am I right? I'm genuinely curious as to why most foreigners seem to prefer to try luck in other places, usually involving a lot of walking and hit and misses. I myself only tried Tobita after trying first almost all of the other options available. Is there something to ve avoided in Tobita?

For me a problem of Tobita is that it's not a discrete place at all, specially being foreigner which makes your face very recognizable to everyone around there: the girls, the mama-san, and the other customers walking the streets. I can live with that, but I have some questions: if you become a regular, is there any problem with the mama-san or the girls if you choose different brothels in different visits? Even more important, should I worry about law enforcement or police raids in Tobita? What are some good common sense rules to move around there?

As for places offering foreign girls, as you suggested, I'm avoiding them. I'm very interested in case someone has a recommendation to share, but I myself am very reluctant now to try luck on these places without some guarantee it won't be a "bait and switch joint. "

Asian Travels
08-25-14, 05:26
Tobita is guaranteed FS, that's what it's there for.

Any places offering foreign girls should be IMO avoided. The large majority of them are bait and switch joints.Bait & switch with Korean and Chinese is common. Foreign gals generally don't give as good a service as Japanese (there are exceptions of course).

I had a Russian from a hotel health in Osaka once who looked like the pict (with a bit of photoshopping).

Paid around 10,000 plus 2,000 hotel for about 45 min.

She wanted another 10,000 for FS, but I declined the offer and just enjoyed the normal oral course.

Asian Travels
08-25-14, 05:33
Thanks for the clarification on Tobita and FS. It seems like the best option for guaranteed FS in Kansai area then, am I right? I'm genuinely curious as to why most foreigners seem to prefer to try luck in other places, usually involving a lot of walking and hit and misses. I myself only tried Tobita after trying first almost all of the other options available. Is there something to ve avoided in Tobita? "Tobita is relatively expensive for the brief time you get with the girl, since it works out to be over 40,000/hr. A 15-20 min FS single pop session is too short for me. I'd prefer a DH / HH or mat play health of 60-90 min for 17,000-19,000. Two or three pops and some time to chill with the girl. Of course if you don't speak Japanese that might not be your cup of tea.

Member #4270
08-25-14, 18:47
Tobita is relatively expensive for the brief time you get with the girl, since it works out to be over 40,000/hr. A 15-20 min FS single pop session is too short for me. I'd prefer a DH / HH or mat play health of 60-90 min for 17,000-19,000. Two or three pops and some time to chill with the girl. Of course if you don't speak Japanese that might not be your cup of tea.Thanks for the clarification Asian Travels. I recall Tobita being more expensive, but I didn't do the math at the moment, now I realize it can be almost twice as expensive. I will be sure to try to get the best buck for my money in the future. Could you recommend me a DH or HH of your choice?

I use Japanese Scort Girls Club, which I can only speak good things about. However, it is service focused on foreigners, and I'm aware that is must be priced above market price. I can speak Japanese, so that is not a problem. Is there a cheaper and reliable DH or HH for Japanese people that is also tolerant of foreigners that speak Japanese?

Jon Jones
08-27-14, 01:05
I'll be staying at the Osaka Marriott Miyako next month and would appreciate any suggestions for a good massage with a HJ.

Thanks in advance.

Jon.

Member #4270
08-27-14, 17:44
I'll be staying at the Osaka Marriott Miyako next month and would appreciate any suggestions for a good massage with a HJ.

Thanks in advance.

Jon.For the option without frets, you could try Japan Escort Erotic Massage Club.

For 60 mins it is 16,000 yen (delivery to your hotel), or 14,000 yen (rendezvous in a love hotel). Price is not cheap, but is not bad either, specially if you consider it is 60 min (most massage prices advertised on the street are 30 min), the girls are all Japanese, and you can get English at the desk line if you need.

Jon Jones
09-04-14, 19:44
I viewed their website. Looks like a good opinion. Do the ladies expect a tip if the service is good?

Jon.


For the option without frets, you could try Japan Escort Erotic Massage Club.

For 60 mins it is 16,000 yen (delivery to your hotel), or 14,000 yen (rendezvous in a love hotel). Price is not cheap, but is not bad either, specially if you consider it is 60 min (most massage prices advertised on the street are 30 min), the girls are all Japanese, and you can get English at the desk line if you need.

Ocean25
09-06-14, 00:27
For the option without frets, you could try Japan Escort Erotic Massage Club.

For 60 mins it is 16,000 yen (delivery to your hotel), or 14,000 yen (rendezvous in a love hotel). Price is not cheap, but is not bad either, specially if you consider it is 60 min (most massage prices advertised on the street are 30 min), the girls are all Japanese, and you can get English at the desk line if you need.Is full service an option here?

Azure Knight
09-08-14, 07:54
It seems like the FS p4 p options are pretty limited around here. How many people would be interested in having another option?

Member #4270
09-08-14, 10:34
I viewed their website. Looks like a good opinion. Do the ladies expect a tip if the service is good?

Jon.No tips in Japan, even in the sex industry. But you could extend your time, 4,000 per 15 minutes.


Is full service an option here?Full service is not an option on Japan Escort Erotic Massage Club. In fact, I don't think touching the girl is even allowed, it is just an erotic massage with a hand job.

If you want to touch the girl, or get a blow job, but not a massage, you could try Japanese Escort Girls Club. Again, no full service. This is also an option without frets, they have an english line call, and expect foreigners. Prices are higher than Japan Escort Erotic Massage Club, though, 22,000 yen for 60 minutes. My experience here has been extremely good.

For full service the best option is Tobita. If you know intermediate or advanced Japanese you will be accepted for sure in almost all houses / girls. I have read in this forum many people who have even been able to get accepted with just basic Japanese, or English, but in such case your options might be limited to fewer houses / girls. Also, try not to go on Friday or Saturday nights, but on the afternoon on weekdays. Tobita is expensive though, around 20.000 yen for 30 minutes I believe (can someone confirm recent prices?

Another option for full service is Matsushima Shinchi. It is very similar to Tobita, with a slightly less wide selection of girls, but also with slightly cheaper prices. 15.000 yen for 30 minutes + shower (I can confirm this). Again, if you only know English or very basic Japanese, that would limit your options.

Finally, the last option for full service, but which I I don't recommend at all is Chinese massage parlors in nipponbashi. You can get full service, and will be accepted as a foreigner, even if broken English is all there is to communicate. But they usually bait and switch: the girl you talk with first might not be the same that gives you the massage, and the one who does full service will be a different one too, and not very attractive. You only find out after you have paid, and prices are as high as they can get from you.

Member #4270
09-08-14, 10:52
It seems like the FS p4 p options are pretty limited around here. How many people would be interested in having another option?I see now that you are Azure Knight, the mighty guy who back in 2008 translated some Japanese information about the red districts in Osaka found on tokyosecret. Tv (now a death domain) into English. Thank you very much, the information was extremely helpful to me.

Here are the posts in case someone else is interested:

Tobita Shinchi: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=705102&viewfull=1#post705102.

Matsushima Shinchi: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=705112&viewfull=1#post705112.

Imazato Shinchi: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=705116&viewfull=1#post705116.

I got to visit Tobita Shinchi, Matsushima Shinchi, and Imazato Shinchi, all thanks to your information. As soon as I get some time, I would write a review, and share directions on Google Maps here in the forum. Your directions were right, but.

I'm interested in trying another options, preferably with FS, but not necessarily. Tobita and Matsushima are fairly open to foreigners, but they are expensive. Imazato is cheaper, but I found the selection very limited to foreigners, even if you are good at Japanese. After Imazato, I didn't try any of the smaller red districts, I realized that the smaller they get, the less welcoming they are to foreigners.

Once again, thank you very much for the translations you made and sharing the information.

Gakkui
09-09-14, 07:05
Do the girls offer GFE experience at Tobita? Especially the smoking hot blvd area? Such as kissing and other good stuff?

Member #4270
09-09-14, 17:56
Do the girls offer GFE experience at Tobita? Especially the smoking hot blvd area? Such as kissing and other good stuff?Tobita offers GFE, but Tobita's selling point is FS, not GFE. As you expect, the hot girls have less incentive to try hard being good at GFE. But at least kissing is fairly standard.

Also, Tobita most common course is 30 minutes, including disinfecting, the girl changing clothes, stairs up and down, etc. So, unless you finish rather quickly, the most likely scenario is that GFE will be just 5 minutes. You can extend your time, though. Or order a longer course from the very beginning, let's say 45 minutes or an hour. In that case you will get a better GFE.

For GFE at Tobita the best is to try several girls and to become a regular of one you find the best. And off course you will need some knowledge of Japanese.

GetsZa
09-10-14, 13:30
Hi,

I have been to Tobitha once last week. Had a girl with a kimono clothes on. Sorry should have gotten the building number. Paid 16000 , seem like the 11000 option is not available to foreigner, I might be wrong. Service was only so so, CBJ and no kissing. But one of the very rare place you can get FS and see the girl before deciding. I went to amour too, they only show pictures and I assume its all photoshop as I had one that look so different from the picture. (Or maybe they swap out a girl because I am a foreigner) but there is kissing and BBBJ for this one just no FS. A lot of places in japan are all photo base which I think is unfair. Better to punt in China and Korea where at least you get to swap girls if you don't like or just walk out. In japan you cannot change. At least I do not know of. Anyone has any advice on Japan please pm me.

Gentleman Travel
09-11-14, 16:22
I will be visiting Japan for the first (and possibly only) time in October. I am mostly on an organized business tour (so few opportunities to monger) but I have the opportunity to extend my trip with a couple of days in Tokyo and / or Kyoto, which is when I will get to play. I speak no Japanese.

I am mostly interested in experiencing a soapland bath and a BJ lounge (those ones where they dress up as schoolgirls or whatever).

I am not hung up on getting FS, a good BJ will do (but preferably a BBBJ), or sumata. I get plenty of FS at home.

Is there any advantage to being in Kyoto for this purpose (better prices? Better service? Less hassle?) or am I better off to focus my mongering in Tokyo?

Thanks for any advice!

GT.

Asian Travels
09-16-14, 08:17
Is there any advantage to being in Kyoto for this purpose (better prices? Better service? Less hassle?)
GT.In a nutshell, no. Especially without any Japanese ability.

Tokyo has some foreigner-friendly places, but they are very few in Kyoto, and the ones that do allow foreigners tend to be bottom of the barrel.

That said, the strip club can be fun and you might get a back room BJ or HJ...
http://www.dx-tohji.co.jp/english/

Sakaisuji
09-16-14, 09:44
In a nutshell, no. Especially without any Japanese ability.

Tokyo has some foreigner-friendly places, but they are very few in Kyoto, and the ones that do allow foreigners tend to be bottom of the barrel.

That said, the strip club can be fun and you might get a back room BJ or HJ...
http://www.dx-tohji.co.jp/english/The Google map show Apil 2014 as the street view date. It's on a small side street near the Aeon Mall. It looks easy to find.

My BIG question is what does "might" mean? How does the system work and what does it cost? If you have the time to answer it would be greatly appreciated.

Sakaisuji
09-16-14, 11:37
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DX Tohji. Striptease Theater.

I have just entered this report in the Osaka board as a reply to a post by board member Lion. But actually it belongs here:

DX Tohji (http://www.dx-tohji.co.jp) is a striptease theater near JR Kyoto Stn. Offering some games and services in its amateur shows.

I went to DX Tohji this year when the so-called amateur conference was on stage. Some girls wore a mask all the time, maybe they are really amateurs. But there was a professional Japanese-American stripper (Hikari) as well and we could communicate in English.

The striptease on stage did not get me excited that much, perhaps I am getting old. But there was a lot of audience participation, for instance miniature golf on stage. The winner was stripped to his pants and teased by several strippers. In another game the winner could exercise cunnilingus and got 10 points from the girl, and 8 points for his breast rub.

From time to time some strippers went into the audience room and played Jan.-ken-pon (stone-scissors-paper) with the customers. If the customer won he was allowed to rub her boobs.

There was also a session of about 30 minutes when all strippers got into the audience and offered services, e. G. A topless lap dance with breast rub for 1,000 Yen, the same with DFK for 2,000 Yen, touching her pussy for 3,000 (Yen.

During the show some girls asked customers to follow her. If he agreed they went out of the audience room. I saw some of them sitting in the lobby taking a drink. I am not sure if there are other services, a "pink room" for instance as in some other striptease theaters.

In conclusion, DX Tohji is a striptease theater that provides sekukyaba services in its amateur shows. I always check its program on the website before I go as I don't go to regular strip shows any more.

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Member #4270
09-16-14, 17:17
I have been recently to DX Tohji in Kyoto, but cannot recommend it. I hate to give them bad reputation, because they're absolutely foreign friendly, so that is appreciated (you still need some basic Japanese at least buy the entry ticket, though), but DX Tohji is just too much of a cheap striptease club, I found it rather depressing than an exciting visit.

In Kyoto there are a few pink salons that accept foreigners. But they are extremely few, I can only think of Pixy in Kiyamachi. And you need at least some intermediate Japanese to move around, find the place, and get service. Kyoto Escort Erotic Massage Club is more foreign friendly and they have an English line call, my experience has been positive, but you can probably get better selection for an erotic massage in Tokyo.

Kyoto is probably the worst option for P2 P, specially for foreigners, but I bet even Japanese themselves would complain about it too, there are just too few options. The best option if you are in Kyoto is to get a train to Osaka (40 minutes), in which case I would definitely advise a visit to Tobita, as far as I know it is unique to Kansai and not even Tokyo has something quite like it. If you look presentable, and go on the afternoon (better than night), you most certainly can get service with just English according to several reports in this forum.

Member #4270
09-16-14, 19:29
For the good times, here is my personal report after visiting the three biggest red districts in Osaka: Tobita, Matsushima, and Imazato.

The selling point of the red districts is guaranteed full service. No extra negotiation required, it is always assumed and included in the price.

I followed the information that Azure Knight translated in 2008 from a site called on tokyosecret. Tv (now a dead domain). The information is accurate, and I recommend it to you if you need street directions. Again, thanks to Azure Knight.

Here are the posts in case someone else is interested:

Tobita Shinchi: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=705102&viewfull=1#post705102.

Matsushima Shinchi: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=705112&viewfull=1#post705112.

Imazato Shinchi: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=705116&viewfull=1#post705116.

All the information Azure Knight translated is accurate, however a problem with the directions is that the links to the maps' images are now broken, and trying to find these places just based on textual description of the streets can be hard and take a long time, even for those familiar with Japanese streets. In your first try you can spend half an hour walking trying to find the brothel places.

For that reason I will give you the location of each district based on Google Maps, and also their latitude and longitude coordinates, hopefully this will prove to be more future-resilient in the hectic world of the Internet than pictures of maps. Only time will tell. These points are approximately at the center of the districts, not their entrances, so whichever way you approach them you are guaranteed to get there. It might not be the most efficient way, but you can plan for efficiency later if you become a recurrent customer.

Tobita Shinchi

〒557-0001 Osaka Prefecture, Osaka, Nishinari Ward, Sanno, 3−1−13.

Closest stations: Dobutsuenmae is the closest station. Another close stations are: Abeno, Tennoji Ekimae, Imaike, and Imafune.

http://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/Tobita+Shinchi/@34.6439779,135.5123062,16z

Latitude and longitude coordinates: 34.644067, 135.506436 (34°38'39.2"and 135°30'29.2"E).

The biggest and easiest to access, Tobita Shinchi is the most famous of the three big red districts in Osaka. It is worth visiting even if just for its atmosphere: traditional Japanese houses, lanterns, and the women sitting at the entrance so you can choose beforehand — at least based on appearance, it goes without saying that guessing their personality is a hit and miss —. Tobita is also the more foreign friendly district, several reports in this forum claim success with just English, but Japanese goes a good way in helping you get service. Don't think that acceptance to foreigners is limited only to the places that call to you, some will call to you (more precisely, the tenant or old woman at the entrance that owns the house), and other will ignore you, but you can still just ask if you are interested in a place that didn't call to you. Knowing Japanese helps the most, or having good appearance, but I bet even just humor and flattery will work in getting you in as a foreigner. Don't give up just because the tenant / old woman doesn't call to you.

Tobita Shinchi is also the most expensive place. And the youngest women are even more expensive. I cannot recall exactly the price I payed in my visit, but a recent report in this forum said it was 15,000 yen for 30 minutes, and for the younger women 20,000 yen for 30 minutes. There are no showers in Tobita, that was my experience, and most reports in this forum confirm it. There is a futon and wide mirrors in the room.

Matsushima Shinchi

〒550-0022 Ōsaka-fu, Ōsaka-shi, Nishi-ku, Kujō, 1 Chome−3−9.

Closest station: Kujo.

http://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/〒550-0022+Ōsaka-fu,+Ōsaka-shi,+Nishi-ku,+Kujō,+1+Chome−3−9+青葉城/@34.6746992,135.4767412,17z

Latitude and longitude coordinates: 34.675732, 135.477224 (34°40'32.6"and 135°28'38.0"E).

Matsushima Shinchi is very much similar to Tobita Shinchi. It is slightly more difficult to access, the number of shops (thus the selection of women) is also slighter smaller, and the atmosphere is just a little less glamorous than Tobita — but still glamorous —. I must insist, in all these aspects the difference is very slight, Tobita and Matsushima are to most practical effects the same and work the same. One notorious difference however is that Matsushima's neighborhood is better than Tobita's. I never found Tennoji, where Tobita is located, intimidating, but it is nonetheless a poor zone in Osaka. Matsushima in Kujo is a completely normal Japanese neighborhood, on the other hand, and Matsushima itself is next to a shotengai (commercial zone).

I recommend Matsushima to those who find Tobita too popular. Because of its popularity and higher demand, service and women in Tobita can be very mechanical and with less GFE — that was my experience, at least, but it depends on specific women —. Matsushima is less known than Tobita, so they are less used to foreigners, but they are still foreign friendly, the shop I went even had an English menu. The same basic trick applies: don't think that only the shops that call to you are foreign friendly, other shops and women might accept you if you show you know Japanese.

Prices in Matsushima are 15,000 yen for 30 minutes. I believe that the higher price of 20,000 yen for 30 minutes with some younger women as in Tobita doesn't exist. -the price doesn't exist, that is not to say that there are no young women, 20,000 yen gets you 40 minutes instead. The place I visited had a shower, and they seem to be less strict on the timer as well. One short shower before, and one after, not included in the time. I believe the shower is standard in Matsushima. There is also a futon and wide mirrors in the room.

Imazato Shinchi

〒544-0001 Ōsaka-fu, Ōsaka-shi, Ikuno-ku, Shinimazato, 3 Chome−12−3.

Closest stations: Imazato is the closest station. Shoji is the next closest one.

http://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/3+Chome-9-19+Shinimazato,+Ikuno-ku,+Ōsaka-shi,+Ōsaka-fu/@34.6596802,135.547165,15z

Latitude and longitude coordinates: 34.660998, 135.546089 (34°39'39.6"and 135°32'45.9"E).

Imazato Shinchi is much smaller than Tobita Shinchi and Matsushima Shinchi. I counted around 10 houses. There is probably more if you search carefully, though. It is also more difficult to access, at least distance wise from the center of Osaka. More important, the system is also different. In Imazato you don't get to see the women and choose beforehand, you enter to the house and instead talk with the tenant / old woman first.

The only inaccuracy I found in Azure Knight's translated report is that it said that you could choose the type of woman you are interested, even though you don't get to see it beforehand. This might be the case for Japanese customers, for foreigners it works the opposite way — at least in my experience —, you don't get a call on which kind of women you are interested, instead the tenant / old woman tries to find a woman suitable for you, that is to say a women that doesn't mind serving foreigners, and you are left with little option about it.

Imazato is not necessarily foreigner unfriendly, but it is definitely not foreigner friendly. You need intermediate or advanced Japanese (account that you will be doing most of the talk with the tenant / old woman, which usually have a thick accent).

Prices in Imazato are cheaper, 13,000 yen for 30 minutes. But there is not a futon, nor mirrors in the room. Instead the room is more similar to a tea place, and a mat somewhat smaller than a futon is used. It is actually a very Japanese atmosphere, and enjoyable, but not having a futon can be a problem for the comfort of some positions. There is also no showers.

I cannot recommend Imazato Shinchi unless you have a good level of Japanese. And even if you do, the only reason I can think for preferring it over Tobita or Matsushima, is in case that you live very close to Imazato and it is convenient to you. If you become a regular, you might get more choice on the women too, I assume.

There are more red districts in Osaka besides the three biggest ones I reported: Tobita, Matsushima, and Imazato. But I stopped after Imazato, my experience was not bad, but I realized that once the districts reach the size of Imazato, or even smaller, your chances as a foreigner are very limited. Between Tobita and Matsushima you have enough selection to find a women of your taste, at least physically or appearance wise. Personality wise it can be tricker, or more precisely: very expensive and time consuming, there is no other option than trial and error.

Gentleman Travel
09-18-14, 00:51
Domo, Night Guy, and others who answered my query. Your answers are EXTREMELY helpful!

Going to Osaka is perfectly feasible and logical.

Going to Tobita sounds like my best bet, even if it is a little pricey.

I need easy and convenient, and this sounds like it!

I am glad for the references to full service places. But are there any "theme" or "image" clubs, like I saw referenced in a post here by "Dire Wolf"?

Thanks!

GT.


For the good times, here is my personal report after visiting the three biggest red districts in Osaka: Tobita, Matsushima, and Imazato.

The selling point of the red districts is guaranteed full service. No extra negotiation required, it is always assumed and included in the price.

I followed the information that Azure Knight translated in 2008 from a site called on tokyosecret. Tv (now a dead domain). The information is accurate, and I recommend it to you if you need street directions. Again, thanks to Azure Knight...

The biggest and easiest to access, Tobita Shinchi is the most famous of the three big red districts in Osaka. It is worth visiting even if just for its atmosphere: traditional Japanese houses, lanterns, and the women sitting at the entrance so you can choose beforehand at least based on appearance, it goes without saying that guessing their personality is a hit and miss . Tobita is also the more foreign friendly district, several reports in this forum claim success with just English, but Japanese goes a good way in helping you get service. Don't think that acceptance to foreigners is limited only to the places that call to you, some will call to you (more precisely, the tenant or old woman at the entrance that owns the house), and other will ignore you, but you can still just ask if you are interested in a place that didn't call to you. Knowing Japanese helps the most, or having good appearance, but I bet even just humor and flattery will work in getting you in as a foreigner. Don't give up just because the tenant / old woman doesn't call to you.

Tobita Shinchi is also the most expensive place. And the youngest women are even more expensive. I cannot recall exactly the price I payed in my visit, but a recent report in this forum said it was 15,000 yen for 30 minutes, and for the younger women 20,000 yen for 30 minutes. There are no showers in Tobita, that was my experience, and most reports in this forum confirm it. There is a futon and wide mirrors in the room.

Illegal
09-22-14, 06:08
Any information on P4P in Sakai would be appreciated. Particularly I understand Club Coco's is in Sakaihigashi, any information on location / directions, system, times open, etc. Would be appreciated, as well as if there are other clubs in the same area.

Dreams
09-23-14, 10:33
That said, the strip club can be fun and you might get a back room BJ or HJ...
http://www.dx-tohji.co.jp/english/Really? I know this used to be possible, but I think not anymore, since new legislation is more strictly prohibited. From personal experience, since at least 10+years those extras are not available anymore anywhere in the Tokyo area.

My question is: Are you talking based on recent personal experience, or is it more general comment?

Sakaisuji
09-24-14, 09:37
Really? I know this used to be possible, but I think not anymore, since new legislation is more strictly prohibited. From personal experience, since at least 10+years those extras are not available anymore anywhere in the Tokyo area.

My question is: Are you talking based on recent personal experience, or is it more general comment?I walked past there recently. It is open and very easy to find.

There's a tout outside who probably doesn't initiate conversation because of the neighborhood.

Is it cheaper than the place by Takashimaya?

Gakkui
09-26-14, 17:03
Have you fallen in love with a sex worker in Japan? I like to hear your experiences. Is it worth it or not.

Member #4270
09-28-14, 19:30
Have you fallen in love with a sex worker in Japan? I like to hear your experiences. Is it worth it or not.Have you fallen in love, Gakkui? You were asking about Tobita in this forum just a few weeks ago! Is it a sex worker you just meet, or someone you have frequenting for a while already? And what do you mean exactly by 'is it worth it'? No judgment, I just want to clarify. If you mean to meet outside Tobita and pay less, then if you manage to can convince the sex worker it might be worth it economically for both of you since you save the landlady's cut, but the reason why Tobita exist in the first place is precisely because sex workers want to avoid the dangers of meeting alone with men, it will be a heck of a job to convince her — I'm pretty sure I read a few experiences in this forum, but I'm not sure if those were braggers —. If you mean to meet outside Tobita for sex and stop paying all together, it is worth it for you, but what is in it for the sex worker?

Finally, if you mean love in a romantic sense, I'm confident you fucked up badly. Newbie's mistake or did you have experience? Same here, if it makes you feel better. I cannot imagine that ever working, specially being a foreigner and having a language barrier in between (I assume you are not fluent). Then there is the obvious circumstances in which you met at Tobita to begin with, I don't think there is any chance for love, not even among Japanese themselves. It is not worth it for her economically to become your girlfriend, unless by some cosmic alignment she has also fallen in love with you — good luck telling love apart from GFE —, in which case you could say it is worth it for her emotionally. And it is not worth it for you economically to try to win her hearth by frequenting her at Tobita, you will end up expending more money just to see her for a slim chance of being reciprocated. It is not worth it for you emotionally either unless you can understand very well that you might love her — good luck convincing others in this forum, let alone outside it, that what you feel is really love —, but that doesn't mean she loves you back, and you are OK with that — good luck convincing you hearth —.

My advice would be to first clarify your feelings, book her one more time — you will have to pay — and have a frank conversation with her. Ask her to start from the very beginning outside Tobita with a date if she is interested, no money, but neither sex guaranteed. You will be probably turned down, but at least you now know how she feels about you. If you still have time left after the conversation and don't feel too bummed out by being turned down, at least you can have sex with her for the remaining time.

Then you walk away and don't return to Tobita, or at least avoid that girl. But if you've fallen in love you won't listen, will you?

I will laugh my ass off if I contributed in the slightest to your visit to Tobita. Definitely, let me know how it plays out for you, I'm in a similar situation.


I am glad for the references to full service places. But are there any "theme" or "image" clubs, like I saw referenced in a post here by "Dire Wolf"?I think the theme clubs in Osaka are located on Juso, but I haven't been there. Here are the directions in Google Maps for Juso, I'm pretty sure is around this area.

〒532-0024 Ōsaka-fu, Ōsaka-shi, Yodogawa-ku, Jūsōhonmachi, 1 Chome−10−18.

Closest station: Juso.

https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/Jusohonmachi,+Yodogawa+Ward,+Osaka,+Osaka+Prefecture/@34.7186168,135.482072,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x6000e5ce5399aa27:0x41e8dd2c77635fe3?hl=en

Latitude and longitude coordinates: 34.719807, 135.480462 (34°43'11.3"and 135°28'49.7"E).

I can't speak from experience in Juso, but usually the problem for foreigners in Japan is when they have to access the same local as the ordinary Japanese customers, it simply is frowned upon heavily, that's why foreigners get access denied — even to strip clubs —. If that is the sort of club you have in mind, it might be very difficult to get your way in, specially without knowledge of Japanese. The reason why Tobita and escort services work for foreigners is because they are one on one, with no chance of bumping into other customers.

You could try mongering around Juso, but it would be preferable that someone else recommends you an specific club foreigner friendly.

Gakkui
09-29-14, 08:22
Yes I have been recently been a regular for this one girl. She's in the middle of the hot smoking blvd area. And the service gets better every time I visit her. I also think she is very attracted to me as she is always is eagered to see and compliments how much I am her type. Maybe she's an exception but pretty much she's my dream Japanese babe. I think she has to be the hottest girl in Tobita as far as I know because I have pretty high standards. But like I said, I have been thinking about her everyday because not only the service is awesome but her personality compelled me to her as well. She actually feels like my long lost lover when I am with her. She feels so comfortable with me that she doesn't use a condom when we have intercourse. She is so sweet to me to the point I want to marry her. And I tell her that I like love her very much and she responds by saying I love you too looking me in the eye. Japanese girls are so damn nice and sweet. They treat like you like a king. But the problem is she is a sex worker and that's another complicating situation there too. But honestly if you seriously hit off with one girl at Tobita. You instantly fall in love. I can tell she has much feelings for me even though I don't speak Japanese very well. Its hard for us to communicate but she tries very hard to click with me even I don't speak Japanese. I have been studying Japanese very hard since the day I met her so we can basically communicate. And visiting Japan regularly is not cheap so I am planning to either quit my job and move there so I can see her. What would you do if you are in my situation. She just makes me so happy to the point I will relocate to be with her. I am just so much in with love her.

And also she made me fall in love with her. She worked her charm on me. Is this a standard protocol service in Japan?

Member #4270
09-29-14, 19:46
So, romantic love it is, Gakkui. That's bad news however you try to spin it, your odds of a happy ending are infinitesimal, but as long as they are not zero it will be pretty hard to convince your heart otherwise.

There are enough similarities between your experience and mine, that I feel compelled to believe that we are not exceptions. If you are pessimistic, Gakkui, it's all a standard protocol service in Japan, and maybe these girls even consciously plan and conspire to make you fall in love to increase their business. Fair play, I admit, we're not exactly gentlemen either.

If you are a little bit more optimistic, though, I think it might not be standard protocol service. But neither something special to truly qualify as love. I believe that not all that lovey dovey experience is completely faked, but true to some degree. Some of it is definitely Japanese custom service, which you need to discount. But some part of it could be that the girl actually enjoys your company— in comparison to other customers— and that she is trying to make the best of her job.

May I assume that you are fairly young or attractive Gakkui? I take for granted that you're gentle, at least for the world this girls work in. If you are attractive, gentle and foreigner — if the girl likes foreigners then you are in the sweet spot when being foreigner works to your advantage, not against —, then it could be very well that you are the favorite customer of one of these girls, even is she is the hottest girl in Tobita.

Now, there is a long distance between love and being the favorite customer of a sex worker (that on itself is a very big assumption and you cannot trust her words, her job depends on making feel every customer special). You might be her favorite customer but that doesn't mean that she would do you for free, or even that she would find you interesting outside work hours and would date you in her leisure time.

Finally. How confident would you feel about this relationship, leaving aside that she is a sex worker for a second? I mean, it is just someone you have met briefly and communicated more or less superficially, even if she weren't a sex worker, I'm sure any of your friends would advice you against moving countries and taking big decision based only on that limited experience from another person.

Gakkui
09-30-14, 04:12
Here is a general information about myself. I am ethnically Korean and I was born in the states. I currently live in Korea for work but I lived there for a very long time now.

Time for some change. Japanese girls turn me on where to the point Korean girls don't do it for me anymore. I don't want to say bad things about Korea because I am Korean myself but I personally think Japan is better in terms of manners and politeness. I used to believe Korean girls were hotter but I have changed my mind when I visited Japan. Most people assume I am Japanese by appearance but I don't speak a lick of Japanese. Yeah I am fairly attractive guy for Asian standards. Athletic built and she tells me I look like a very famous Korean actor. But what's up with all the eye contacts from young pretty Japanese girls on the subways. Not being arrogant or anything but I feel like Japanese girls have the hots for me. Like you can tell if a girl is checking you out. Is this how flirting is doing in Japan if the girl is interested. Or is it that Korean men are popular in Japan? Haha I don't know. At first I was afraid to get service in Japan because I don't speak any Japanese and the fear not speaking Japanese will hinder my overall service there. But It was the total opposite. She was very happy I was Korean so I don't think she considers me a gaijin because I look just like them. Korea is the closest neighbor to Japan so our languages and culture are kinda similar. She was pretty much into Korea and how delicious Korean food are. ㅡ I have had experiences doing P4P experience in Korea for a long time now Japan seems to be the holy grail for excitement I was looking for in a very long time. Korea even can't even compare with the top notch service in Japan. I broke up with my Korean gf in Korea because I lost total attraction and feelings for her. This girl. In Tobita however I can't stop thinking about her. She is just so my ideal type in so many different. Trust me there were times in Tobita wanted to try other talents out but she seemed to be the best provider from the rest in terms of GFE. Attitude and service. And my motivation to live there is to learn the language and culture because I always was fascinated with Japan especially the girls. They know how to treat men right. My biggest regret is not learning Japanese in college but now I am doing my best to be a native Japanese speaker and I am a fast learner.

AirNest
09-30-14, 14:56
Yes I have been recently been a regular for this one girl. She's in the middle of the hot smoking blvd area. And the service gets better every time I visit her. I also think she is very attracted to me as she is always is eagered to see and compliments how much I am her type. Maybe she's an exception but pretty much she's my dream Japanese babe. I think she has to be the hottest girl in Tobita as far as I know because I have pretty high standards. But like I said, I have been thinking about her everyday because not only the service is awesome but her personality compelled me to her as well. She actually feels like my long lost lover when I am with her. She feels so comfortable with me that she doesn't use a condom when we have intercourse. She is so sweet to me to the point I want to marry her. And I tell her that I like love her very much and she responds by saying I love you too looking me in the eye. Japanese girls are so damn nice and sweet. They treat like you like a king. But the problem is she is a sex worker and that's another complicating situation there too. But honestly if you seriously hit off with one girl at Tobita. You instantly fall in love. I can tell she has much feelings for me even though I don't speak Japanese very well. Its hard for us to communicate but she tries very hard to click with me even I don't speak Japanese. I have been studying Japanese very hard since the day I met her so we can basically communicate. And visiting Japan regularly is not cheap so I am planning to either quit my job and move there so I can see her. What would you do if you are in my situation.,,I usually go to Tobita as well, about twice or three times a month, and I always get the 40 minute course. I also have a regular girl on the other street on the side where the police station is, but I also have some semi-regulars on smoking hot blvd. From my experience it is common for girls to have unprotected sex with their regular customers. This is confirmed by my Japanese friend and I have also been given that option with my regular girl and semi-regular girls but I always decline for safety reasons.

As you yourself said, it's complicated because she is a sex worker. Analyze it carefully and make sure about what you feel. Is it true love or just lust. If it's lust then maybe being a sex friend is the best option. If you think it's real love, then by all means go all out on.

What you think must be done. Just be prepared for the consequences and have a back-up plan.

I think the way to find out if it's true is to ask her out for dinner on her off day and take her to a love hotel. Confess to her and try to see if she will be willing to start a new life with you. That's one way for you to find out if what she is feeling for you is true or just an.

Act. Good luck and keep us posted on how it goes.

P.S.: I might have an idea on who your girl is, she might be one of my semi-regulars in the middle of smoking hot blvd. If it's OK with you, can you tell me the name of the shop? Or the girl's name? (could it be Kana?, Nana? Or Hana?

They are my semi-regulars in the middle of smoking hot blvd.

Gakkui
10-01-14, 01:52
I am only do the cheapest rate of 110 for 15 minutes because I don't want to pay an extra 50 for just five minutes. I HEARD FROM OTHER post that 20 minute rate is standard for hotter girls in Tobita but that was not my case. And I heard CBJ is the norm but if the girl finds you attractive. She is willing to do whatever to satisfy you. So BBJ and full service without condom is possible if she feels really comfortable with you.

But even though its a short time, she basically lets me do anything I want with her. And for her name. I don't want to mention her name because for privacy reasons so its not Kana or Nana or Hana. But she definitely caught my eye when I first visited there. She looks like a girl next door neighbor type with an awesome body. And her shop is probably the busiest because I had to wait many times outside in front of the shop to see her. I am currently not in Japan so I can't report anything until my next return there. As I parted with her. She told me she will miss me and we embraced each other for hugging for a while and some a deep farewell kiss. I bought her a small present to show my thanks and love for and her reaction was priceless. She told me how happy she was, ureshi ureshi;and she will do her best to learn Korean so we can communicate better. I felt thankful to her for her to learn a foreign language in her part. Yeah it can be lust for the most part because the sex was probably the best with a Japanese girl but damn never felt so love crazy like that before. And Japanese girls are far by the hottest in all of Asia so it was a quite a experience. She was so affectionate towards me that I felt something in my heart to develop deep feelings for her. And the service is undeniably the best P4P experience for anybody out there. And Japan has so many many hot girls; heaven heaven.

Member #4270
10-01-14, 06:11
From my experience it is common for girls to have unprotected sex with their regular customers. This is confirmed by my Japanese friend and I have also been given that option with my regular girl and semi-regular girls but I always decline for safety reasons.Some general advice to all people in this forum: if a sex worker offers you unprotected sex, I would never assume to be the only customer who gets it, no matter what she tells you. Keep in mind that girls in Tobit a are already at high risk of STDs since most of them practice oral sex without condom (the risk for AIDS is extremely low, but average for other STDs) fairly frequent even in the short courses, and there is pressure to offer intercourse without condom for the longer courses (60 minutes). So offering unprotected sex to some regular customers increases their risk of STDs but not by a huge percentage, while on the other hand it increases your risk immensely in comparison (since your risk was very low at first and you are rising it to the same as hers).

Girls in Tobita get checked for STDs weekly. Or so they say, and the same it's repeated in this forum. I'm not sure they get checked that often, but either way, then you are playing a weekly roulette at best. The risk is not as high as completely unchecked sex-workers, but it's still a risk. As AirNest advices, if you are offered sex without condom in Tobita you should decline for safety reasons.

Gakkui,

Your experience seems to be a blend of three factors, love for 1) Japanese girls in general; 2) Japanese girls in Tobita; 3) and the particular girl you frequented in Tobita. I don't know if it could be said that a person is "in love with Japanese girls" or "in love with Japanese girls in Tobita" — again, no judgment, just clarifying —. If you are in love with Japanese girls, then by all means learn Japanese and move to Japan, as long as you have got good lucks — and Korean boys are the hottest thing here in Japan — then you are granted to be able to date Japanese girls in general, not all will fit your ideal type of Japanese girl, but some will definitely do (stereotypes are always partly true); and if you are in love with Japanese girls in Tobita, as long as you have money you will have access to Tobita girls, it's called service, but you should think carefully about how much P4 P will be a long term interest in your life. You already comment to have grown tired of P4 P in Korea, and even if you prefer Japan better now, you could also grow tired of it.

On the other hand, if you are in love with the particular girl you frequented in Tobita, then it's a totally different equation. There is no guarantee at all that you will be able to get her specifically just by moving to Japan and learning Japanese. The chances that love will work out are already pretty slim even in common relationships, and in your circumstances (a sex-worker, a language barrier, and even a distance barrier for the moment) you are shooting for the most unlikely. Add to all that that if she is smoking hot then she must get proposals all the time in and outside Tobita. Pardon me to ask so bluntly, but do you have enough money to move to Japan, marry her and get her out of Tobita — or at least lessen her burden to work significantly —? I can only see a chance for this working in a sort of arranged marriage.

Last but least, assume that you manage to nail everything and date her, maybe even marry her. You are still not guaranteed that love will last, specially when physical attraction and sex seems to be a big part of your attraction now. Your passion might last, but I guarantee you that it will weaken.

If you are happy with moving to Japan, continue frequenting her for as long as it lasts for you two — paying in Tobita seems more realistic than dating —, and then switch to other Tobita girl or Japanese girl outside Tobita, then that would be a good choice, specially if you are not happy in Korea. But if you are settled on a specific girl, you should talk with her frankly, and get your chances straight in your head: you are shooting for a miracle.

I would like this to work for you, that would give me hope about my own situation. My rational advice is for you to give up on that specific girl, but actually I wish you tried. As they say in Japanese. Go for it, boy!

AirNest
10-01-14, 16:23
Some general advice to all people in this forum: if a sex worker offers you unprotected sex, I would never assume to be the only customer who gets it, no matter what she tells you. Keep in mind that girls in Tobit a are already at high risk of STDs since most of them practice oral sex without condom (the risk for AIDS is extremely low, but average for other STDs) fairly frequent even in the short courses, and there is pressure to offer intercourse without condom for the longer courses (60 minutes). So offering unprotected sex to some regular customers increases their risk of STDs but not by a huge percentage, while on the other hand it increases your risk immensely in comparison (since your risk was very low at first and you are rising it to the same as hers).

Girls in Tobita get checked for STDs weekly. Or so they say, and the same it's repeated in this forum. I'm not sure they get checked that often, but either way, then you are playing a weekly roulette at best. The risk is not as high as completely unchecked sex-workers, but it's still a risk. As AirNest advices, if you are offered sex without condom in Tobita you should decline for safety reasons...Excellent advice Night Guy K.

On another note, I have heard about Matsushima Shinchi, but I haven't been there before. I always go to Tobita since it is close to where I live. I read your report about Matsushima Shinchi and I have some questions about it. Can you see the girl sitting in front of the genkan like in Tobita? I have read some reports about a few years ago that say you can only see the girls from the waist up and up to three girls at a time. Or do you tell the mama-san about the type of girl you like and she chooses for you. I have read conflicting.

Reviews on this site and I just want to know which is true. Final question, how do the girls in Matsushima compare to the girls in Tobita? There are lots of young and pretty girls in Tobita, does Matsushima have the same, or are the girls not as pretty and much older?

A friend of my friend told him that FS could be had for 8,000 yen in Kyobashi. The girls are Chinese and Koreans though. Quality is pretty good according to his source. I will try to find out more about it and share the info here.

Member #4270
10-01-14, 19:23
AirNest, you seem to be a regular of Tobita for quite some time already. If you could answer me earnestly, how has that played for you emotionally? Specially when it comes to the girl you frequent the most there. Is it just sex for you or have you gotten your feelings ever involved?

I never got a very strong connection with deriheru girls, even when the girls were often very nice. Tobita seems a bit different to me, though, specially when you become a regular. Just to mention a subtle but relevant difference: instead of going to a love hotel, which is a very neutral place, in Tobita you actually visit a house and a room that somehow resembles the personality of the girl working there since they get to decorate it. A less subtle difference is off course that in Tobita you get full service guaranteed, while in deriheru and other places not, even if you are not interested in full service not being able to get it works as a constant barrier during sessions. Another subtle difference: I'm not fond of the landladies, but they are definitely better than male touts in other places; the other day it was raining, and I was offered an umbrella by the landlady and it ensued this typical Japanese situation of offer / refusal; there is also the tea and the cookies; small touches that make it seems more as if you are visiting a house, instead of P4P.

I'm not romanticizing Tobita, and there is a dark side to it, but it is definitely a different experience. This rosy discussion about love and feelings might not be of much use to international tourists, or even to people from Kant/ Tokyo coming to Tobita for a casual P4P visit. But I think it could be very useful for people living in Kansai who intend to become regulars of Tobita in the long term.

Gakkui
10-02-14, 01:09
Wait. Wait here. Remember guys Japan is a first class country. Cleanliness is top notch here. Its not like Thailand or the Philippines where aids and transmitted diseases are far more prevalent. I sure don't want to head towards those countries for P4P regardless how cheap. Japan is far by the most orderly and cleanest country on this earth. They are the most selective in terms of P4P experience in my opinion. It sure beats other third world countries as far as I know where its far more dangerous and unprotected sex is more prevalent.

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10-02-14, 02:07
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Gakkui
10-02-14, 03:04
Excellent advice Night Guy K.

On another note, I have heard about Matsushima Shinchi, but I haven't been there before. I always go to Tobita since it is close to where I live. I read your report about Matsushima Shinchi and I have some questions about it. Can you see the girl sitting in front of the genkan like in Tobita? I have read some reports about a few years ago that say you can only see the girls from the waist up and up to three girls at a time. Or do you tell the mama-san about the type of girl you like and she chooses for you. I have read conflicting.

Reviews on this site and I just want to know which is true. Final question, how do the girls in Matsushima compare to the girls in Tobita? There are lots of young and pretty girls in Tobita, does Matsushima have the same, or are the girls not as pretty and much older?

A friend of my friend told him that FS could be had for 8,000 yen in Kyobashi. The girls are Chinese and Koreans though. Quality is pretty good according to his source. I will try to find out more about it and share the info here.Yes I have been to matsushima sinchi not too long ago. This place is pretty dead compared to the scale of Tobita. Not many guys walking around like Tobita. Maybe matsushima is a second option but the quality and service is nothing like Tobita. And there are not many girls working there so there are few options available. There were maybe one or two girls that struck my eyes but as far as quality the girls in Tobita are much hotter. Like one my Korean friends once told me, always go to a restaurant where there are lots of customers.

AirNest
10-02-14, 09:39
AirNest, you seem to be a regular of Tobita for quite some time already. If you could answer me earnestly, how has that played for you emotionally? Specially when it comes to the girl you frequent the most there. Is it just sex for you or have you gotten your feelings ever involved?

I never got a very strong connection with deriheru girls, even when the girls were often very nice. Tobita seems a bit different to me, though, specially when you become a regular. Just to mention a subtle but relevant difference: instead of going to a love hotel, which is a very neutral place, in Tobita you actually visit a house and a room that somehow resembles the personality of the girl working there since they get to decorate it. A less subtle difference is off course that in Tobita you get full service guaranteed, while in deriheru and other places not, even if you are not interested in full service not being able to get it works as a constant barrier during sessions. Another subtle difference: I'm not fond of the landladies, but they are definitely better than male touts in other places; the other day it was raining, and I was offered an umbrella by the landlady and it ensued this typical Japanese situation of offer / refusal...I have been a regular of Tobita for almost 2 years. The following reasons why I go there are: 1) Japanese fluency is not required, 2) You can see the girls, and many beautiful and young girls. 3) FS is sure. The only downside is that it's just so expensive. As you yourself.

Have said GFE, is not the priority. Most girls are pretty mechanical and most of them don't even DFK. I have tried most of the shops there and by trial and error, I find out which girls offer GFE. I make those girls that offer GFE, my regulars. I always bring them some.

Treats or souvenirs when I visit them, nothing expensive though just to show my appreciation and to maximize my mileage as well. I admit that due to the great GFE, it sometimes does make me feel like I'm falling in love or think of wanting to pursue a relationship.

With them. At the same time, I know that it's just purely business for them because when I try to ask them out they always say that they can't do it. They don't even give their phone numbers. One of my regulars gave me her Line ID though so I message her from.

Time to time. My motivation for this is to make the costs cheaper for me and I also tell the girls that she gets all the money instead of giving half to the shop. So far, no one has taken me up on my offer. For me it's just sex, because it's pointless to get your feelings.

Involved. I don't think there's anything good that will come out of having a relationship with a sex worker. The best case scenario would probably if you can convince them to become your sex friend and then you get free sex. But even that is a long shot, why would.

They give it to you for free. Another thing is that some of the girls there make lots of money. One of my regulars even drives a high-end car to work everyday, so you must be really fucking rich for them to consider you to be boyfriend / sugar daddy material.

So my advice is just enjoy it for what it is and not for what it could be. Some of this girls have boyfriends or husbands or even worse their partners might be members of the yakuza. One girl I fucked before even had some cigarette burns on her skin.

Yeah, I agree. Tobita is a unique experience. I don't even try deriherus, because I'm not fluent in Japanese and at the same time FS isn't assured. If I'm not getting FS, I would rather just jack-off and save my money. Also, bait and switch is a common complaint by.

Both local and foreign customers. The thing you mentioned about the rooms of the girls is interesting. You can tell how much money the girl makes for the shop by the number of things in her rooms. The top girls get fancy thick mattresses instead of the regular futon.

Another important thing to consider is to have good rapport with the mama-san, because they give you discounts or extend your time during slow days.

Night guy K, can you give me more info about Matsushima Shinchi, what are the differences compared to Tobita in terms of quality of the girls and whether you can see them and choose.

Thanks

AirNest
10-02-14, 09:47
Wait. Wait here. Remember guys Japan is a first class country. Cleanliness is top notch here. Its not like Thailand or the Philippines where aids and transmitted diseases are far more prevalent. I sure don't want to head towards those countries for P4P regardless how cheap. Japan is far by the most orderly and cleanest country on this earth. They are the most selective in terms of P4P experience in my opinion. It sure beats other third world countries as far as I know where its far more dangerous and unprotected sex is more prevalent.It doesn't even have anything to do about being a first class country. Your chances of getting STDs increases if you don't practice safe sex by wearing a condom. A new strain of antibiotic resistant syphillis was discovered in Kyoto about 2 years ago so there's that. I'm not sure if you are aware, but a lot of Japanese businessmen often go to the Philippines, Thailand, China and Korea to join sex tours. Just always use a condom. You never now how many raw dicks have been fucking that pussy that you are fucking raw now.

Stay safe.

Gakkui
10-02-14, 17:48
Most girls in Tobita are mechanical and don't do DFK. I like to know what your definition of mechanical is? That's hard to believe I guess everybody has different experiences. You have been mongering in Japan for a while and I am curious but has the scene in Tobita changed or gotten better? Do the girls work there short term or long term. ?And I am just curious Airnest, are you a non Japanese Asian? Or a western foreigner? And do you know which type of girls to avoid when there are so many selections to choose from?

Member #4270
10-03-14, 08:23
i have been a regular of tobita for almost 2 years. the following reasons why i go there are: 1) japanese fluency is not required, 2) you can see the girls, and many beautiful and young girls. 3) fs is sure. the only downside is that it's just so expensive. as you yourself.thanks a lot for your comments on your experience. your advice is of great use to me, i haven't settled my mind yet, but there is a good chance that in the future i will follow a similar strategy to you: try several shops by trial and error, and find some regular girls.

how good is your japanese? mine is not fluent, but i can carry a conversation in japanese, and the regular girl i stuck with was because i enjoyed her conversation. i don't have intention of finding another girl for the time being, but she is in this job for the short term, and i'm already looking for future alternatives.

a question of better use to most people in this forum. i read a lot of reports in the past 10 years from foreign people saying that they were refused at some houses in tobita, either by the landlady or the girl herself, because they didn't know japanese, and in some cases even when did know japanese but were refused nonetheless simply by being foreigners. since you have tried several houses in the past two years, could you answer if that is still the case in tobita today? i could speak japanese and sticked mostly with the houses that called 'douzo' to me, so i never confirmed beyond a few occasions that it's possible to be accepted even if you are not called 'douzo', but i never confirmed the opposite, that you can still be refused.


i make those girls that offer gfe, my regulars. i always bring them some treats or souvenirs when i visit them, nothing expensive though just to show my appreciation and to maximize my mileage as well.

another important thing to consider is to have good rapport with the mama-san, because they give you discounts or extend your time during slow days.i can confirm this. omiyage to the girls and a good relationship with the landlady works to your advantage. i have never get a discount, though. but i have gotten my time extended.


another thing is that some of the girls there make lots of money. one of my regulars even drives a high-end car to work everyday, so you must be really fucking rich for them to consider you to be boyfriend / sugar daddy material.i can also confirm this. these girls make a fair amount of money, and it's not unusual that they might even make more money than you. some work in tobita because they have big debts (i haven't found a case yet, only read on the news), but this seems to be exception, most of them do it because it actually works out economically for the best for them. their lifestyle can be above average jp working girls, and as airnest says, you would need to be making a good deal of money to be considered boyfriend material. good looks alone won't get you very far.


have said gfe, is not the priority. most girls are pretty mechanical and most of them don't even dfk. i have tried most of the shops there and by trial and error, i find out which girls offer gfe. i make those girls that offer gfe, my regulars. i always bring them some.my experience in tobita is very limited, i have more experience with health delivery. i also found the girls i had in tobita to be pretty mechanical, but this off course depends on the girl. in comparison, i found gfe to be consistently better in health delivery: usually the shortest session in deriheru is 60 minutes, while in tobita is 30 minutes, for the same price, that simply leaves more free time to chill out. and since there is no full service in health delivery, girls try to make up for it with gfe.

that being said, if you become a regular, health delivery is pure business to the girls; while tobita has this sort of more ritualistic aspect of a 'visit' to it. still business, though. for casual sex with good gfe i recommend better health delivery, but for regular sex with good gfe i recommend better tobita. also, health delivery girls' schedules are very irregular, sort of like a part time, which doesn't guarantee that you will be able to meet the same girl regularly. tobita girls work almost daily, and on a regular schedule.


night guy k, can you give me more info about matsushima shinchi, what are the differences compared to tobita in terms of quality of the girls and whether you can see them and choose. thanks.i find matsushima and tobita so similar that i group them together. the system is the same, the girl and the landlady sit on the front of the house and they invite you in. price is also the same, 15.000 yen for 30 minutes. one difference is that in matsushima they have showers.

some girls sit behind desks, but not all, it depends on the house. in some you can see them sitting on tatami, in others there is a desk but you can see through the desk, and in others the desk obscures the view. i think the ones with a desk is just because it's more practical and less tiresome. i wouldn't give too much importance to it, usually if girls want to hide their bodies, either in matsushima or tobita they know how to pick their clothes better.

again, i cannot confirm if it's true that you can be refused by the girl or the landlady if you cannot speak japanese, or by being foreigner alone. i receive a fair amount of 'douzo', and i'm sure that there are many houses / girls that would take foreigners in with some basic japanese even if they don't call you first. also, matsushima is much more integrated into its neighborhood than tobita, there are a few japanese people walking through the neighborhood that are not customers, so not everybody gets 'douzo' all the time.

matsushima has less girls / houses than tobita, but it's still a considerably big selection, around 80 or so houses. i cannot comment on the looks of the girls, honestly. even in tobita, with around 100 houses, i think it's fair to say that if you are picky your selection of awestrucking girls comes down to just a handful. the same can be say of matsushima, most girls are rather just average cute looking jp girls, with only a few awestrucking girls. in matsushima there is also a very impressive big house, almost gaudy, with three or more girls in the entrance, and i assume maybe more inside. i think there is not a house that big in tobita, i can't recall the girls' appearance, but the house looked more expensive and i assume the girls might be above average there.

i recommend tobita better than matsushima for people who comes just for a short visit to kansai. tobita is more impressive, the houses and the system is almost the same as in matsushima, but the streets are wider in tobita which gives a stronger impression, it's almost worth visiting just for tourism. but since you are already a regular in tobita, i definitely think is worth visiting matsushima and trying some of the girls there. you might find better prices, or a girl of your liking.

let me know if you visit matsushima, and the names of the houses if you do.


it doesn't even have anything to do about being a first class country. your chances of getting stds increases if you don't practice safe sex by wearing a condom. a new strain of antibiotic resistant syphillis was discovered in kyoto about 2 years ago so there's that. i'm not sure if you are aware, but a lot of japanese businessmen often go to the philippines, thailand, china and korea to join sex tours. just always use a condom. you never now how many raw dicks have been fucking that pussy that you are fucking raw now.

stay safe.people should never forget that having frequent sex without condom with sex workers is the very same definition of 'high risk' when it comes to stds. depending on the country 'high risk' might not seem as high to you, that's just nomenclature (there is not a percentage to it), but it still comparatively 'higher' than safe sex between same partners. how much acceptable that risk is to you depends on your risk aversion. the way i see it, having unprotected sex in a brothel in southeast asia is like driving drunk at high speed, you're going to crash for sure and very badly; while sex with a health escort in japan, which means condom and no intercourse, is more like an f1 race — it sounds dangerous to people who are not familiar, but accidents are incredibly few —; finally, having regular protected sex in tobita to me it's like nascar— more accidents than f1, but still not as many or as serious as non familiar people imagine —, and having regular unprotected sex in tobita would be the equivalent of a nascar driver who doesn't wear a seat belt. chances are a nascar driver will never be involved in an accident, but they still wear seat belts.

AirNest
10-03-14, 09:17
Most girls in Tobita are mechanical and don't do DFK. I like to know what your definition of mechanical is? That's hard to believe I guess everybody has different experiences. You have been mongering in Japan for a while and I am curious but has the scene in Tobita changed or gotten better? Do the girls work there short term or long term. ?And I am just curious Airnest, are you a non Japanese Asian? Or a western foreigner? And do you know which type of girls to avoid when there are so many selections to choose from?What I mean by mechanical is that they are just going through the motions, It's purely business and there's no passion, no DFK hence no GFE involved. And they're not required to provide GFE, as NightGuy K has said, Tobita's selling point is FS and being able to see and choose girls face to face not GFE. You have probably seen how busy it gets at night so that's a lot of customers. I have tried between 30-40 different girls from different shops and maybe only 4 or 5 allowed DFK. Can you guess, which ones became my regulars and.

Semi-regulars? The turnover of girls in Tobita, is quite fast though there are some girls though that I have seen working there long term. I heard that some of the really hot ones are also hostesses and they get sent to Tobita when they incur debts from the hostess bars.

Or when they don't meet their qouta. I am Asian American. There's really no way to find out which girls offer GFE and have great performance and attitude. The only thing you can judge them on is looks. It's mostly trial and error for me. Try as many different girls as you like or stick to the girl which gives good GFE.

AirNest
10-03-14, 17:11
You're welcome. I'm glad I'm able to help you. One thing I noticed is that in general you get more mileage with the girls on the street where the police station is compared to smoking hot blvd. I get the better sex from that street, more GFE. That trial and error thing.

Gets really expensive though. This advice might save you some money. Mine is very basic and simple conversation. Yeah, once I get girls that I feel comfortable with and have some sort of connection I stick to them. I still miss some of my regulars that have quit.

Maybe they moved to Matsushima, that's why I got curious about it. When I first started I was a little nervous about it, but it's largely outdated information now. I have mongered at the same time with some older white guys and their dozo rate I would say is at least.

80%. I did get refused about twice or three times, when the girl and mama-san straight ignored me when I stopped in front of their shop. I would say that Tobita is foreigner friendly now and rejections are very rare.

Yeah, my advice for this is when you try a new girl just take the 15 min. Course so that you won't feel too bad or cheated if the performance and attitude is horrible. Once you get some good girls, pick a longer time next time and get a calling card from them with their.

Name and the shop's name.

How is your experience with deriheru? Did you have any bad experiences with them like bait and switch? Since my Japanese isn't so good, I'm scared that they may send me an ugly since I'm a foreigner. I'd like to try it once though, I get some flyers in my.

Mailbox. The flyers don't have their webpage though just phone numbers. I'm uncomfortable without any idea of how the girl looks like. Also biggest deal breaker is no FS, though I heard some girls offer it with an additional price.

Thanks for the info about Matsushima, it's very helpful. I'll visit it next weekend. I'll keep you posted about my visit there.

Gakkui
10-04-14, 05:49
Its a little disappointing to hear the business aspects about Tobita but I feel that if the girl is not into you the sex can't be enjoyable. So I go more for the girls who offers GFE. I guess I hit the jackpot with my first pick because she offers more than GFE experience. Her attitude and service was pretty much top notch in terms of P4P and probably the best overall. She was open to do anything with me and I did not expect that. It surely was a positive experience and left a good impression. I like to hear others experience similar to mines because full service is their selling point not GFE so there is a chance to hit up with a gem if you are lucky. I hope she sticks around my next visit to Japan. If not I will be very disappointed. As far as love goes I might as well give up because I am not a sugar daddy but I don't think she's the type of girl who goes for sugar daddy type. She was just happy that I picked her out of the girls and didn't mind the cheapest rate option. I don't know how many times she said thank you. Wow the service is amazing here and can't wait to explore the hidden treasures in Japan again. And to you guys. Do you believe money buy love and happiness?

Gakkui
10-04-14, 07:31
I disagree with you Airnest but the acceptance rate amongst foreigners is the same as before.

Like Azure knight mentioned before if you are of dark skinned maybe black or of southeast Asian descent or a visibly a foreigner you will be denied service no matter how fluent your Japanese is. And to Airnest, I have stumbled across your earlier posts and you mentioned that you are of Filipino descent, because as far as I know many east Asians such as the Japanese are notoriously known for looking down on people from southeast Asian countries.

I mean they can clearly distinct between an east Asian and southeast Asian just by appearances alone? And how do they react knowing that you are Filipino? I have seen many southeast Asian guys being flat out refused by the shops.

AirNest
10-05-14, 05:40
I disagree with you Airnest but the acceptance rate amongst foreigners is the same as before.

Like Azure knight mentioned before if you are of dark skinned maybe black or of southeast Asian descent or a visibly a foreigner you will be denied service no matter how fluent your Japanese is. And to Airnest, I have stumbled across your earlier posts and you mentioned that you are of Filipino descent, because as far as I know many east Asians such as the Japanese are notoriously known for looking down on people from southeast Asian countries.

I mean they can clearly distinct between an east Asian and southeast Asian just by appearances alone? And how do they react knowing that you are Filipino? I have seen many southeast Asian guys being flat out refused by the shops.I was expecting to be rejected when I first started mongering in Tobita, but that wasn't the case. I never had any difficulty with the shops in Tobita. I have read Azure Knight's posts and they were really helpful when I first got started. I think a lot has changed since.

Then. Of the my almost 2 years of mongering in Tobita, I have only been rejected two or three times by some shops. It didn't bother me because there are lots of other shops eager to take my money. Just never make a scene if you get rejected and keep it moving.

I have seen lots of white guys, black guys and Indian guys come out of the shops, mongering at the same time with me. I would say that their dozo rate would be about 80% at most and that's still a high figure.

I am aware about the negative reputation of some Japanese people about Southeast Asian people, which is largely based on the Filipino and Thai women working in the sex trade industry and hostessing. For the record, I have whiter complexion than the average Filipino.

And I have also been mistake before to be east Asian (Japanese, Korean, Chinese). In my opinion I don't look like an east Asian because I have big round eyes. It might vary by appearance if they can distinguish between Japanese and other Asian nationalities. I haven't gotten any negative reactions from the girls or the mama-san when I tell them I am Filipino. I have seen many south east Asian guys getting accepted by the shops in my almost 2 years of mongering here, so I don't know what you are talking about.

Member #4270
10-05-14, 05:52
Its a little disappointing to hear the business aspects about Tobita but I feel that if the girl is not into you the sex can't be enjoyable.The business aspect of P4P can sometimes be very dark. I haven't had a bad experience in Tobita, but I had once a bad one in deriheru (a site with foreigner girls, avoid those). Some girls want to be in the sex industry, but others are forced by circumstances and it can be very tough on them and also unpleasant for you.

If you do extensive trial and error like AirNest, you would find for sure some of those dark cases. But then, if you do not do trial and error you cannot find the girls with good GFE. It seems you can't have your cake and eat it too.


I disagree with you Airnest but the acceptance rate amongst foreigners is the same as before.What could explain the different experiences? Could it be that AirNest goes to Tobita in different days and hours? Or that AirNest is a regular and already known around the shops in Tobita?

If it makes anyone feel better. There is a few girls that actually like foreigner guys, that's how I found my regular, I was called very insistently by the girl. It was early in the afternoon, though, take it with a grain of salt. The ratio is probably 1 girl for every 50 girls that would rather avoid foreigners.

Both in Tobita and Matsushima I have been told by the girls and landladies that their issue with foreigners is language, not race. The same goes for deriheru. In deriheru they don't want foreigners assuming there is full service for granted, and it seems in Tobita they don't want foreigners assuming there is french kissing and any sex position for granted, girls can refuse but if the foreigner doesn't know Japanese it can be a problem.

I have never been refused in Tobita and Matsushima, but the shops I have tried are very few.


How is your experience with deriheru? Did you have any bad experiences with them like bait and switch? Since my Japanese isn't so good, I'm scared that they may send me an ugly since I'm a foreigner. I'd like to try it once though, I get some flyers in my.I advice you a website called Japanese Escort Girls Club. They have an English call line, the girls are very nice at GFE, and my experience has been extremely positive. No full service, they even ask you to don't ask, but you could ask politely to the girl (not the desk) if you want. It's good to get an idea of how deriheru works. Some people prefer deriheru, while others prefer Tobita. If you get into deriheru, then you can try other websites in Japanese. I would stay away from lines without a website at all.

The pictures in their website are real, and you can choose a girl for 1.000 yen. There is no bait and switch. However, I think they claim to have more girls than they actually have, or at least they don't update the information of some girls not working there. I recommend you to first call and know beforehand which girls are available, instead of choosing only through their website and then call to be told they are not available.

http://japanese-escort-girls.com

AirNest
10-05-14, 12:54
I find Matsushima and Tobita so similar that I group them together. The system is the same, the girl and the landlady sit on the front of the house and they invite you in. Price is also the same, 15.000 yen for 30 minutes. One difference is that in Matsushima they have showers.

Some girls sit behind desks, but not all, it depends on the house. In some you can see them sitting on tatami, in others there is a desk but you can see through the desk, and in others the desk obscures the view. I think the ones with a desk is just because it's more practical and less tiresome. I wouldn't give too much importance to it, usually if girls want to hide their bodies, either in Matsushima or Tobita they know how to pick their clothes better.

Again, I cannot confirm if it's true that you can be refused by the girl or the landlady if you cannot speak Japanese, or by being foreigner alone...After getting my questions answered by Night Guy K, I decided to go to Matsushima Shinchi. Everything was exactly as HE described. I arrived at 3:30 and most of the shops were still close and some were just beginning to open. I read an old post here saying that the.

Shops start opening at 4. I just enjoyed walking around and exploring, checking out the girls. As I was looking around, I noticed that the girls, I was seeing were mostly plain looking or old. I started to think that it was a wasted trip. I walked a little bit more until I.

Stumbled into the impressive big house that Night Guy K talked about. There were three gorgeous girls sitting in front on par with the top girls in Tobita. I thought to myself, finally found what I'm looking for. I decided to walk around to see if there where other nice.

Girls in the other shops close by. I found some more young and good looking girls at the nearby shops. I decided to go back to the big house. A 70-80 year old man was walking in front of me and went in the house. When I got there, the first of the three girls was.

Gone. There were 2 girls, left and luckily the second girl was still available. They were all wearing gowns similar to the gowns worn by hostesses. The second girl looked like my favorite JAV actress. I approached the mama-san, smiled and greeted her konnichiwa.

The mama san asked me a few questions before I was allowed to go in. This is how our conversation went. The whole conversation was in Japanese.

Me: Konnichiwa.

Mama- san: Konnichiwa. What country are you from?

Me: America.

Mama-san: Do you speak in Japanese?

Me: A little. It's my first time here in Matsushima, but I often go to Tobita.

After that she let me in. The girls were still eating so the girl I chose hurriedly finished eating her food. Her name was Rina. Rina looks like my favorite JAV actress. She has a beautiful face with E-cup boobs. I told here that I will take the 40 minute course. After she.

Came back, we went to the shower and she started washing me. After that she told me to dry myself and wait for her in the room. She started with BBJ. I was surprised to get BBJ, quite different from CBJ in Tobita. After that we went through different positions.

Missionary, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggy, sucked on her titties, DFK, paizuri. When the 5 minute bell rang, we showered again and she asked me some questions which I gladly answered. I got back and got dressed. I thanked Rina for a wonderful time and told her.

That I will come back again soon. As I left the shop, I noticed more gorgeous girls. Too bad, I didn't have any more money with me.

Looks like I will be taking a break from Tobita for a while, There's less shops and less gorgeous girls in Matsushima compared to Tobita, but it's cheaper and you get a shower. I personally think that it has a lot of potential and promise. And I will be visiting it weekly.

From now on. Many cute girls to try.

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Gakkui
10-06-14, 07:12
I was expecting to be rejected when I first started mongering in Tobita, but that wasn't the case. I never had any difficulty with the shops in Tobita. I have read Azure Knight's posts and they were really helpful when I first got started. I think a lot has changed since.

Then. Of the my almost 2 years of mongering in Tobita, I have only been rejected two or three times by some shops. It didn't bother me because there are lots of other shops eager to take my money. Just never make a scene if you get rejected and keep it moving.

I have seen lots of white guys, black guys and Indian guys come out of the shops, mongering at the same time with me. I would say that their dozo rate would be about 80% at most and that's still a high figure.

I am aware about the negative reputation of some Japanese people about Southeast Asian people, which is largely based on the Filipino and Thai women working in the sex trade industry and hostessing. For the record, I have whiter complexion than the average Filipino.

And I have also been mistake before to be east Asian (Japanese, Korean, Chinese). In my opinion I don't look like an east Asian because I have big round eyes. It might vary by appearance if they can distinguish between Japanese and other Asian nationalities. I haven't gotten any negative reactions from the girls or the mama-san when I tell them I am Filipino. I have seen many south east Asian guys getting accepted by the shops in my almost 2 years of mongering here, so I don't know what you are talking about.I have a hard time believing the acceptance rate for foreigners is 80 percent. Maybe you are overestimating the percentage here. Maybe the shops with the older and least attractive? If that was the case, I would see more and more foreigners coming to Tobita in droves or like a bandwagon and in reality that's not the case here maybe because of the low acceptance rate. I hardly see them around. And I have seen many get shot down. Just speaking the truth Maybe because the acceptance rate is so low or service is crap.

Member #4270
10-06-14, 11:03
AirNest,

I'm glad your visit to Matsushima Shinchi was satisfactory. By the way, how are prices in the gaudy house? You said you took the 40 minutes course, that's 20.000 yen in the house I frequent, one of the small ones.

Also, is there any difference in the rooms in that big house? Are they any bigger, more modern or of a different style compared to a room in Tobita? The one in the small house I frequent is the same size and style as in Tobita, no difference besides having a shower (not in the room, but across it).

Finally, can you pick from the girls at the entrance in that big house? Or are they settled in some order? I want to visit that house, but I'm in no hurry to start my trial and error. I hope you return often to Matsushima and write a report in the future with your experiences and recommendations. Don't forget the names of the houses and the girls.

By the way, how do you ask for paizuri? I didn't even know that was the Japanese word for breast fucking!

AirNest
10-07-14, 07:41
I've been to Tobita a few times in the past couple of months. I am an old, fat and ugly gaijin with zero Japanese language skills. That said, I still get an 80+% dozo rate even during the prime business period lately. This is up considerably from a few years ago when it was 30% at most, even less on the main two lanes and even lower during prime time.

I won't go into the details about the girls I did but I always seem to get excellent service and a thank you with a smile. I always find the thank you amusing but I guess it is standard protocol. One thing I did notice is that BBBJ seems to be less available and most girls insist on CBJ. Is this a trend or only me?

What I don't see posted here is that you can get 15 minutes for only 11 k JPY if that works for you.

Just my POV.

OAH.This will be my last post about the foreign friendliness of Tobita. I go to Tobita at various times, from 2 pm till closing. That's why I stand by what I say. It is not an overestimate on my part. It might have been foreigner unfriendly when AK wrote his report, but that's definitely not the case now. I have seen many foreigners there mongering. Blacks, whites, Indians, and other Asians. I have seen them coming in and out of shops. I prefer going between 2 pm to 4 pm though because it gets busy at night with so many customers. Even the ugly ones get taken and there are no girls sitting in the shop. The reason why you don't see a lot of foreigners mongering in Tobita is because generally Japan is not really seen as a country known to be a sex tour destination. People would rather go to Thailand, Philippines, China, Korea etc. I didn't even now about Tobita during the first two times I went here in 2010 and 2011. I just found out about Tobita through ISG when I started living here in 2012. Foreigners would rather monger in those countries because it's cheaper and easier. I have been rejected in soaplands and other sex establishments for being a foreigner but never in Tobita.

AirNest
10-07-14, 15:26
AirNest,

I'm glad your visit to Matsushima Shinchi was satisfactory. By the way, how are prices in the gaudy house? You said you took the 40 minutes course, that's 20.000 yen in the house I frequent, one of the small ones.

Also, is there any difference in the rooms in that big house? Are they any bigger, more modern or of a different style compared to a room in Tobita? The one in the small house I frequent is the same size and style as in Tobita, no difference besides having a shower (not in the room, but across it).

Finally, can you pick from the girls at the entrance in that big house? Or are they settled in some order? I want to visit that house, but I'm in no hurry to start my trial and error. I hope you return often to Matsushima and write a report in the future with your experiences and recommendations. Don't forget the names of the houses and the girls.

By the way, how do you ask for paizuri? I didn't even know that was the Japanese word for breast fucking!It was 20,000 yen for 40 minutes. The rooms are a little bigger but the setup is the same in Tobita. The matress was also a bit thicker, I'm not sure though if it's the same as the other rooms. The showers were also outside. You can pick from any of the 3 girls sitting in front. When I first passed by there were 3 girls sitting in front. All 3 looked great, but I had my eyes on the 2nd girl. When I made my second pass, an old man was ahead by me by a few seconds and he chose the 1st girl. After being asked by questions by the mama-san She asked me which of the 2 girls I prefer. I chose the 2nd girl. I plan on going back this weekend and write more reports. I was encouraged by the other good looking girls I saw, after I left the shop. I would have gone to another shop after, but I ran out of money. I just asked her, "Paizuri, OK?" or you can also ask "Paizuri, ii desu ka?" She said "Yes!" I couldn't resist after seeing her E-cup tits and pinkish nipples.

Do you have PM capabilities Night Guy K? I didn't renew my membership, so I no longer have PM capabilities. Maybe we can even monger together next time. I have some more questions about Matsushima for you. How many times have you been there? How many shops and girls have you tried? And finally, can you give me your recommendations on shops and girls as well or write a report on your experience there.

Thanks a lot.

Mysterio
10-07-14, 19:37
Hello all,

I posted a few years ago about my time in Kyoto (see below) and have the pleasure of visiting it again in ten days. October 15th onward.

I am seeking good Pink Salons (BBBJ bars) which would be non-speaking, foreigner friendly. If you have a suggestions please PM me or post here. My thanks!

Mysterio

A 2011 post of mind about Kyoto:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?972-Kyoto&p=1213745&viewfull=1#post1213745.

AirNest
10-08-14, 15:18
I went to Matsushima again today. I was planning to go this weekend, but the strong typhoon is scheduled to hit Japan this weekend. I arrived there at around 5:15 PM, I was the only one mongering, it doesn't get like this in Tobita even during off-peak hours. Everyone was trying to invite me to their shop. I decided to try one of the smaller shops this time. I passed by this shop last Saturday on my way back to the station, and one beautiful girl caught my eye. She was really good looking, also she looked like one of my junior high school students. I remembered doing a double take last Saturday, because at first I thought it was my student. I was really surprised and thought it was her. Anyway, I stopped in front of their shop when the mama-san called me. There were 4 girls sitting in front of the shop, the mama-san asked me to pick a girl. I chose the girl which looked like my student and we went inside. I chose the 15,000 yen course for my trial and error. I had a bad feeling about it and my fears would soon be realized. The girl's name is Riko, she looked like my student and would easily pass as her elder sister. She has a beautiful face and to my surprise big natural breasts, probably an E or F cup! We started with the shower. After that she started of with a CBJ. After I got hard, she asked me if I wanted to be on top or on the bottom. I told her I wanted her to get on top of me and she obliged. I asked her if kissing is OK. She said no. Strike 1. I started thinking this is going to go downhill for me. She wasn't even on top of me for a minute when she complained and asked if we can switch positions. Strike 2. We switched to the missionary position and she just laid there, No GFE whatsoever and just plain lazy and not into it. Strike 3. I pounded her for sometime, but I knew I was going to be able to finish so I just asked to suck her titties. I asked for paizuri and she said no. I just continued sucking on her tits until the warning bell rang. She tried to get me off by giving me a hand job, but I told her I didn't need one and just asked her to go to the shower to wrap things up. We finished with 5 minutes remaining, but I was in a hurry to leave. I just wanted to go the big house and get Rina again. I thanked her and the mama-san politely and went on my way. I didn't even bother to ask the name of their shop, because the Riko sucked so bad at her job. The only consolation was for some reason, I felt like I was fucking my student which kind of freaked me out at the same time. I also gave her a hickey on her neck for her shitty service.

I immediately went to the big house and asked for Rina, Rina and the mama-san warmly welcomed me. They were surprised to see me back so soon. I told them that I enjoyed my time there last Sunday and couldn't wait to come back. I got the 40 minute course again. Everything was excellent and I would say even better than last time. I now have a regular in Matsushima, and will be patronizing their shop for a while. Trial and error can be expensive and it's even worse if if you get shitty service.

Member #4270
10-08-14, 19:23
It was 20,000 yen for 40 minutes.That's a very good price. Specially if some of the girls are on par with the better looking and more expensive girls of Tobita which cost you 20,000 yen for 30 minutes.

I always had assumed the gaudy house was more expensive, so I didn't even bother asking. The first time I passed by that house the girls giggled at me, I guess I had the looks of a foreigner who is is definitely not a lost tourist, but nonetheless a lost first timer — as I definitely was —. It is my favorite house in Matsushima by its architecture and style, it looks exactly like a mix of how brothels are depicted in movies and the Japanese style of Tobita.


Do you have PM capabilities Night Guy K? I didn't renew my membership, so I no longer have PM capabilities. Maybe we can even monger together next time. I have some more questions about Matsushima for you. How many times have you been there? How many shops and girls have you tried? And finally, can you give me your recommendations on shops and girls as well or write a report on your experience there.For quite some time already I've been a regular of just one girl. I visited the red districts Tobita, Matsushima, and Imazato a few times and am familiar with them (how to get there, how many houses are, how the system works, how foreign friendly are they, douzo rate, etc.), but have very little experience in regard to the service of specific girls since I have tried rather few. So I cannot give personal recommendations about girls in all honesty, from the ones I tried I don't even have their shops names anymore. I'm not retaining any valuable information.

Frankly, I want out of the red district life when my regular girl gets out too. She plans to work for at least some more months, and I'm enjoying her as much as I can. There might be some cosmic chance that I will be able to befriend her after she quits, but I'm sure sex between us will be over. I would lie if I said that I don't want to try other girls, the main thing stopping me is lack of money, if I had more money I'm sure I would keep her as my regular and try more girls.

You don't get many chances to get out of P4P once you start, and I want to give this opportunity a fair chance. Whatever are your views, at least we all can agree on something in this forum: P4P is expensive, specially in Japan, so it's worth quitting if only to save money. But even though I want to try to get out of it, I very much doubt I will succeed, the reasons why I got into P4P in the first place haven't changed at all, so I'm still interested in keeping my options open once my regular girl gets out. Probably some combination of trial and error, and finding a new regular again, like AirNest.


I chose the girl which looked like my student and we went inside. I chose the 15,000 yen course for my trial and error. I had a bad feeling about it and my fears would soon be realized.

I didn't even bother to ask the name of their shop, because the Riko sucked so bad at her job. The only consolation was for some reason, I felt like I was fucking my student which kind of freaked me out at the same time.

Trial and error can be expensive and it's even worse if if you get shitty service.It's because of these experiences that I've been staying away from trial and error. Sometimes it's just money poorly spent and you get over the mediocre service, but in other occasions it can be a very bad experience when you hit a girl that absolutely is not into her job. I feel somewhat bad for them, on the other hand, is hard to feel sympathy when in the moment you are horny and payed a good amount of money.

AirNest, in your experience do you think there is any connection between the younger girls and poor GFE quality? As I said before, I have only tried a few girls, but I did notice that younger girls weren't much into GFE and in general weren't into satisfying the customer. Not as a rule, just a tendency. I assume the reason is simple: these jobs must suck for them.

Both in health delivery and the red district I found that older women (26 and up) had more or less a say on their choice to be sex workers after finishing school — sometimes university — and having some experience in normal jobs before. There are several options available to them in the sex industry: if they don't want intercourse, they can apply to be escorts in health delivery, and even if they don't want to do oral sex they can apply to be masseuses. The less they are willing to provide, the less their pay is, but it's up to each of them to choose what they feel comfortable doing. Tobita and Matsushima are at the bottom of the options in the sex industry, at least when it comes to what the girls have to provide — oral sex and intercourse —; time flexibility — escort jobs are very flexible, much like part-time but in the red districts girls work most days of the week and several hours —; and just social status — escorts can retain their anonymity, girls in Tobita and Matsushima are up to be seen by any walker by, which might not even be a customer —.

My regular in one of the red districts is older, had some regular jobs before, and told me she is in for the quick big bucks. No sob story makes things easier for me. On the other hand, I cannot think of which circumstances would a girl under 26 try the sex industry as her first choice, let alone Tobita or Matsushima.

That being said, it's almost impossible not go for the younger looking girls in the red districts. I have done it myself a few times.

Gakkui
10-09-14, 02:21
This will be my last post about the foreign friendliness of Tobita. I go to Tobita at various times, from 2 pm till closing. That's why I stand by what I say. It is not an overestimate on my part. It might have been foreigner unfriendly when AK wrote his report, but that's definitely not the case now. I have seen many foreigners there mongering. Blacks, whites, Indians, and other Asians. I have seen them coming in and out of shops. I prefer going between 2 pm to 4 pm though because it gets busy at night with so many customers. Even the ugly ones get taken and there are no girls sitting in the shop. The reason why you don't see a lot of foreigners mongering in Tobita is because generally Japan is not really seen as a country known to be a sex tour destination. People would rather go to Thailand, Philippines, China, Korea etc. I didn't even now about Tobita during the first two times I went here in 2010 and 2011. I just found out about Tobita through ISG when I started living here in 2012. Foreigners would rather monger in those countries because it's cheaper and easier. I have been rejected in soaplands and other sex establishments for being a foreigner but never in Tobita.Korea is not a good place to monger anymore. Maybe 12 years ago before the anti prostitution law went into effect. It costed 60 bucks to bang a hot girl in the major red light districts and they were everywhere. And I think Korea is the last place for P4P for foreigners because Korea is the most xenophobic out of all the Asian countries in terms for P4P. Least friendly to say the least. Most red light districts don't even accept foreigners period and they have that negative energy too. The mongering scene here is dead and dry. And the quality can't even keep in par with the girls in Japan. And southeast girls are not as attractive compared to Japanese and Korean girls so I don't bother visiting southeast Asian countries. And Korean girls don't know how to satisfy like Japanese girls do. I envy you guys living in Japan.

Gakkui
10-09-14, 02:37
For quite some time already I've been a regular of just one girl. I visited the red districts Tobita, Matsushima, and Imazato a few times and am familiar with them (how to get there, how many houses are, how the system works, how foreign friendly are.

Frankly, I want out of the red district life when my regular girl gets out too. She plans to work for at least some more months, and I'm enjoying her as much as I can. There might be some cosmic chance that I will be able to befriend her after she quits, but I'm sure sex between us will be over. I would lie if I said that I don't want to try other girls, the main thing stopping me is lack of money, if I had more money I'm sure I would keep her as my regular and try more girls.

So Nightguy you said you have a chance to befriend this girl to whom you are a regular. How long have you known this girl and are you guys pretty close? Do the girls in tobita seek relationships with customers outside of their work too maybe if you two hit it off together? And how do they respond if you express your true feelings toward them? Like love and romance, do they reject this notion?

AirNest
10-09-14, 07:42
That's a very good price. Specially if some of the girls are on par with the better looking and more expensive girls of Tobita which cost you 20,000 yen for 30 minutes.

I always had assumed the gaudy house was more expensive, so I didn't even bother asking. The first time I passed by that house the girls giggled at me, I guess I had the looks of a foreigner who is is definitely not a lost tourist, but nonetheless a lost first timer as I definitely was . It is my favorite house in Matsushima by its architecture and style, it looks exactly like a mix of how brothels are depicted in movies and the Japanese style of Tobita.

For quite some time already I've been a regular of just one girl. I visited the red districts Tobita, Matsushima, and Imazato a few times and am familiar with them (how to get there, how many houses are, how the system works, how foreign friendly are they, douzo rate, etc.), but have very little experience in regard to the service of specific girls since I have tried rather few. So I cannot give personal recommendations about girls in all honesty, from the ones I tried I don't even have their shops names anymore. I'm not retaining any valuable information...Yeah, it's really a better deal compared to Tobita. It's kind of unusual as well, I'm so used to how busy it's gets at Tobita and it's totally deserted with maybe 2 or 3 other people mongering in Matsushima. Yeah it's just really expensive though, I do enjoy the system in Tobita and Matsushima with the face to face interaction. I think the set-up is so unique compared to other parts of Japan. Even Tokyo, I guess doesn't have a similar system. Yeah it really sucks when the service is bad even if the girl is hot. It's even worse if the girl is unattractive and gives bad service. Thee system in Tobita and Matsushima. Eliminates that. I agree with what you said. I think there is a correlation between the age of the girls and GFE and also the looks of the girls and GFE. The system in Tobita and Matsushima works to their advantage. The only thing we can judge them on is based on appearance. There's no way for us to tell if they have good attitude and provide GFE. Regardless if they slack off or provide good service, they will still get lots of customers. The pretty girls don't really have any motivation to provide good service. They'll just wait for the time to finish and that's it. Most of the best looking girls I fucked in Tobita belong to this category. The older and less attractive ones rely on giving GFE and good service to get repeat customers and also get good recommendations as well. It's really hard to get both gorgeous girls and good GFE. That's why I it's really a challenge to find pretty girls with good GFE and attitude. The only times I do trial and error are when my regulars have an off day, or when they are busy that they are taken when I pass by their shops. Another theory I have is that maybe Japanese guys aren't into GFE when fucking girls who work in the sex trade. Maybe they just get their GFE from their wives and girlfriend and just want to fuck these girls because of their looks and don't care about attitude and GFE. My Japanese friend doesn't even kiss these girls. When they try to initiate small talk at the start of the session, he tells them to shut-up and suck his cock instead of talking. And I think the most important factor that you brought up is that the girls who provide shitty service hate their jobs, and I can't blame them. They're only human and you can't take out the human element even in this line of work. The real good ones or professionals "enjoy their job". They are good at giving you the illusion of passion and provide good GFE. They sometimes tell me that they are my "lovers in Tobita or Matsushima". I have no problem with that. It makes the experience more fun and enjoyable for me and I can also see that they also enjoy their time with me. Whether it's true or not. What makes it important is that they make it believable for me that they also enjoy my company. And that really goes a long way.

AirNest
10-09-14, 07:52
Just some questions about Imazato Shinchi, how is the system compared to Tobita and Matsushima? And can you give me more detailed directions going there.

Thanks buddy.

Member #4270
10-10-14, 05:24
Just some questions about Imazato Shinchi, how is the system compared to Tobita and Matsushima? And can you give me more detailed directions going there. You can read my report on Imazato Shinchi and find detailed directions here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=1621710&viewfull=1#post1621710

Imazato is not like Tobita and Matsushima, it is much smaller (10 or 20 shops at most), and girls are not on display, instead you enter the house and ask to the landlady to search one for you of your liking. However, being a foreigner you cannot pick the girl even this way, you are stuck with whichever girl doesn't mind foreigners. And if your Japanese is not very good, it might be even difficult to get service, but in my experience they were foreign friendly.

Imazato is cheaper than both Tobita and Matsushima, 13.000 yen for 30 minutes, but there is no shower nor futon (instead a smaller mattress is used). The rooms are wide tatami traditional Japanese rooms, so maybe that's interesting.

I can only recommend Imazato to foreigners who happen to live very close to it and find it worthwhile to invest in developing a relationship with one of the landladies in order to become able to pick girls in the future.

I also read there was another small red district called Shinodayama Shinchi but a report from 4 years ago says it is not foreign friendly, even if you are fluent in Japanese. I would like to go and confirm if things have changed, but Shinodayama is way south in Osaka (near the international airport), that's a very long trip with the risk of not getting serviced at all. If someone else tries, let us know.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=1047785&viewfull=1#post1047785


So Nightguy you said you have a chance to befriend this girl to whom you are a regular. How long have you known this girl and are you guys pretty close? Do the girls in tobita seek relationships with customers outside of their work too maybe if you two hit it off together? And how do they respond if you express your true feelings toward them? Like love and romance, do they reject this notion?My regular works in Tobita, but it's not one of the smoking hot girls, more like an average good looking JP girl. I'm at a lost about her age. I have been frequenting her for at least a couple months and I might have a (remote) chance to befriend her since we get along very well and are interested in the same things. I don't think we are close, besides her name and a few details about her life (which might not be truth) I don't know much about her; however, you get a long mileage just by knowing she works as a sex worker, that brings you closer in some bizarre way. How many of her friends or prospective boyfriends can she confide that?

That being said, many of this girls do actually have already JP boyfriends outside Tobita who know what they do. Love finds many forms, and there seem to be some JP guys who don't mind dating a sex worker or at least pretend to don't know what she does. If you want a chance you probably would have to be the same and don't push her into leaving her job, specially if you cannot help her economically.

I don't think these girls are looking for a boyfriend among their customers in Tobita neither. They already have a ballpark of what kind of guy you are just by the fact you are visiting Tobita — as that Wonka meme goes, "Oh, you are John? Please tell more about you." —. However, as AirNest said, it seems most Japanese customers are rough and straightforward to sex, so these girls can be surprised by a customer who comes for GFE and treats them well. But don't count on you being the only customer who treats one of these girls well, chances are they have already a few regulars that come for GFE. I know that the girl I frequent despite not being smoking hot has some other regular customers.

As for expressing romantic feelings to them, my gut instinct is to don't do it. I haven't said it to her directly, but I have hinted at me having feelings for her, and her reaction has always been a mix of incredulity and suspicion, followed by a fallback routine in which she goes along with it in case it's just something I said in the spur of the moment. These girls don't reject the notion of love and romance, but I bet they are used to a few customers getting their feelings confused, and they would be very suspicious of you. And heck if they don't have reasons to be, I'm not that confident of my romantic feelings either. I've been frequenting only one girl, but I keep thinking about visiting others. The worst part is that I don't even have to get out of my way to do it, I only have to make one extra stop in another shop when I visit her, is that easy. And they know it too, as I said, they have a ballpark of what kind of guy you are.

For the record, I don't have anything against visiting several girls. I just want to try it, and I'm surprised just at how difficult it is. I have more confidence in a Tobita girl assuming a stable relationship after she leaves her job, than I have confidence of a Tobita customer doing it. Maybe with some long time one of these girls could take you and your feelings seriously. I want to give it a fair chance. I like her enough that I would really like for us to become at least friends once she leaves this job, but I don't expect a romantic relationship, let alone a lasting one.

Love with a Tobita girl seems like just a lot of trouble. If you can meet girls outside Tobita that would be the best for you. Japanese girls are not easy, but if you are not set into getting a JAV actress, you should be able to find a caring Japanese girlfriend with average good looks. Heck, you can have your cake and it too, just find a regular JP girlfriend, and keep visiting Tobita as well.

Same applies to Matsushima girls, since the system is practically the same. It's better to don't fall in love with one of these girls. It would make for a great novel, or at least an interesting bar story, though.

AirNest
10-10-14, 13:48
You can read my report on Imazato Shinchi and find detailed directions here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=1621710&viewfull=1#post1621710

Imazato is not like Tobita and Matsushima, it is much smaller (10 or 20 shops at most), and girls are not on display, instead you enter the house and ask to the landlady to search one for you of your liking. However, being a foreigner you cannot pick the girl even this way, you are stuck with whichever girl doesn't mind foreigners. And if your Japanese is not very good, it might be even difficult to get service, but in my experience they were foreign friendly.

Imazato is cheaper than both Tobita and Matsushima, 13.000 yen for 30 minutes, but there is no shower nor futon (instead a smaller mattress is used). The rooms are wide tatami traditional Japanese rooms, so maybe that's interesting.

I can only recommend Imazato to foreigners who happen to live very close to it and find it worthwhile to invest in developing a relationship with one of the landladies in order to become able to pick girls in the future.

I also read there was another small red district called Shinodayama Shinchi but a report from 4 years ago says it is not foreign friendly, even if you are fluent in Japanese. I would like to go and confirm if things have changed, but Shinodayama is way south in Osaka (near the international airport), that's a very long trip with the risk of not getting serviced at all. If someone else tries, let us know.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=1047785&viewfull=1#post1047785

My regular works in Tobita, but it's not one of the smoking hot girls, more like an average good looking JP girl. I'm at a lost about her age. I have been frequenting her for at least a couple months and I might have a (remote) chance to befriend her since we get along very well and are interested in the same things. I don't think we are close, besides her name and a few details about her life (which might not be truth) I don't know much about her; however, you get a long mileage just by knowing she works as a sex worker, that brings you closer in some bizarre way. How many of her friends or prospective boyfriends can she confide that?

That being said, many of this girls do actually have already JP boyfriends outside Tobita who know what they do. Love finds many forms, and there seem to be some JP guys who don't mind dating a sex worker or at least pretend to don't know what she does. If you want a chance you probably would have to be the same and don't push her into leaving her job, specially if you cannot help her economically.

I don't think these girls are looking for a boyfriend among their customers in Tobita neither. They already have a ballpark of what kind of guy you are just by the fact you are visiting Tobita as that Wonka meme goes, "Oh, you are John? Please tell more about you." . However, as AirNest said, it seems most Japanese customers are rough and straightforward to sex, so these girls can be surprised by a customer who comes for GFE and treats them well. But don't count on you being the only customer who treats one of these girls well, chances are they have already a few regulars that come for GFE. I know that the girl I frequent despite not being smoking hot has some other regular customers.

As for expressing romantic feelings to them, my gut instinct is to don't do it. I haven't said it to her directly, but I have hinted at me having feelings for her, and her reaction has always been a mix of incredulity and suspicion, followed by a fallback routine in which she goes along with it in case it's just something I said in the spur of the moment. These girls don't reject the notion of love and romance, but I bet they are used to a few customers getting their feelings confused, and they would be very suspicious of you. And heck if they don't have reasons to be, I'm not that confident of my romantic feelings either. I've been frequenting only one girl, but I keep thinking about visiting others. The worst part is that I don't even have to get out of my way to do it, I only have to make one extra stop in another shop when I visit her, is that easy. And they know it too, as I said, they have a ballpark of what kind of guy you are.

For the record, I don't have anything against visiting several girls. I just want to try it, and I'm surprised just at how difficult it is. I have more confidence in a Tobita girl assuming a stable relationship after she leaves her job, than I have confidence of a Tobita customer doing it. Maybe with some long time one of these girls could take you and your feelings seriously. I want to give it a fair chance. I like her enough that I would really like for us to become at least friends once she leaves this job, but I don't expect a romantic relationship, let alone a lasting one.

Love with a Tobita girl seems like just a lot of trouble. If you can meet girls outside Tobita that would be the best for you. Japanese girls are not easy, but if you are not set into getting a JAV actress, you should be able to find a caring Japanese girlfriend with average good looks. Heck, you can have your cake and it too, just find a regular JP girlfriend, and keep visiting Tobita as well.

Same applies to Matsushima girls, since the system is practically the same. It's better to don't fall in love with one of these girls. It would make for a great novel, or at least an interesting bar story, though.Thanks for the info about Imazato Shinchi. I'll be sticking to Tobita and Matsushima, since I like their system better and also since Imazato has just around 30 shops. I wonder if they some place in Tokyo with a similar system though. I'll be building my rapport with my Matsushima regular to maximize my mileage. Everything's going good so far, so just got to keep it up, maybe some souvenir for the mama-san and the girl next time. I'm thinking of asking if they offer a threesome course next time. 30,000 yen for 2 hot girls for 30 minutes sounds nice.

Excellent advice Knight Guy K, I couldn't have said it better myself. Just an FYI since we are in the topic of love and romance, if you are wondering where some of these sex workers are spending their money on aside from shopping. They spend some of their earnings on host clubs. And they blow an obscene amount of money on them. Here's a documentary on how the regular customers of these host clubs are in the sex trade industry. An interesting and informative documentary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1pA0McgvM.

Member #4270
10-10-14, 18:30
I'm thinking of asking if they offer a threesome course next time. 30,000 yen for 2 hot girls for 30 minutes sounds nice.I'm glad you bring this up. I felt like asking you about this before, but I felt too prudish to do it. In your experience, is it possible to get a threesome in Tobita? Let us know if it is possible in Matsushima after you try.

Even if it is not standard, I would assume it must be workable to find two girls available to do a threesome in Tobita or Matsushima. Although my impression has always been that threesomes are not an option, like in some health hotels or esute salons, but rather just negotiable one on one-by-one basis. These are just my assumptions. I have never tried nor heard about it. And I assume it works that way for Japanese customers, being a foreigner sets you back a lot in starting any kind of negotiation.


Here's a documentary on how the regular customers of these host clubs are in the sex trade industry. An interesting and informative documentary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1pA0McgvM.It seems the documentary has been taken down from Youtube, but the name still appears on the page. In case someone else is interested, it's called 'The Great Happiness Space: Tale of an Osaka Love Thief. ' I will be sure to watch it.

Gakkui
10-10-14, 18:39
I do agree that our stories should make out to be a good novel or even a movie. I wish they produced more movies or novels like this so I can be more knowledgeable with these encounters. I do agree with you that it is hard to try other girls when you stick with your regulars. Believe me there were times I opted to try different girls but I always tended to stick with her til the end.

I dunno if it was my intuition Or the amazing service but I can't keep her off my mind. For me, Its more like comfort level rather than trying different girls. And believe me I have gotten into lots of trouble so far but it doesn't phase me at all because maybe its all worth all the trouble if you are in pursuit of love. And it is possible to befriend them once they develop feelings for you. And I have had a couple of experiences in that department so it is indeed possible but that happened long time ago. I believe that the language barrier would be a challenge for me in this case. But to be honest, I can't stand help her economically for her to retire. And what do you mean by suspicious of you?

Member #4270
10-11-14, 08:13
Excellent advice Knight Guy K, I couldn't have said it better myself.I don't follow my own advice myself. But I must insist, truly, stay away of developing any sort of mixed feelings, let alone falling in love, with girls in Tobita or Matsushima.

If you ignore that advice, then at least try to lower your expectations. And once you think you have lowered them enough, go and lower them even more. The chances of a relationship coming out of a brothel are very slim.


And what do you mean by suspicious of you?"Suspicious" is a loaded word, maybe a better world would be "cautious. " But we are discussing brothels and the underground of society here, there is no reason to mince words, "suspicious" or "cautious" are the same.

The same way that you should be suspicious of these girls, I'm sure they are suspicious of you. I don't trust everything my regular girl says, specially when it is too good to be true or something I want to hear, because I know there is an economic incentive for her to keep me visiting her and paying regularly. I trust my regular girl, but not enough to shut out that voice in my hear that tells me to be suspicious / remain cautious. For example she told me she had a boyfriend until very recently, but not anymore; I take that as if they broke up maybe temporally, not definitely for sure, and it might not even be true that they broke up at all.

And it goes also the other way around. These girls are suspicious of you because there is an economic incentive for you into conning them to date and have sex for free. Even if they are new in this business, with the amount of men they see daily, I assume them to be fast learners and become able to read through us, mongers. There are many reasons to be suspicious of any kind of romanticism in this business, and the more experience these girls have accumulated, I'm sure they have already learnt the most vital lesson in life: don’t beware of the liar you can see through, beware of the liar you can’t see through..

In other words, the less suspicious you seem to be, the more suspicious you become. And it goes for them as well, the more honest they seem to be, the more reason you have to believe they might be good performers.

AirNest
10-11-14, 14:49
I'm glad you bring this up. I felt like asking you about this before, but I felt too prudish to do it. In your experience, is it possible to get a threesome in Tobita? Let us know if it is possible in Matsushima after you try.

Even if it is not standard, I would assume it must be workable to find two girls available to do a threesome in Tobita or Matsushima. Although my impression has always been that threesomes are not an option, like in some health hotels or esute salons, but rather just negotiable one on one-by-one basis. These are just my assumptions. I have never tried nor heard about it. And I assume it works that way for Japanese customers, being a foreigner sets you back a lot in starting any kind of negotiation.

It seems the documentary has been taken down from Youtube, but the name still appears on the page. In case someone else is interested, it's called 'The Great Happiness Space: Tale of an Osaka Love Thief. ' I will be sure to watch it.Asking about a threesome has crossed my mind a few times, but I haven't really followed through with it. I'll try to ask one of my regulars next time about the shops policy on threesomes. I think it mostly depends on the girls involved. As for the shop, maybe they won't care much because either way, they are getting their cut from both girls anyway. I really think it depends on the girls if they are comfortable with it and they might also ask about specific details such as girl to girl action or just strictly 2 girls servicing you. I will need to build up goodwill to my regular and shop. I'm interested in trying it in Matsushima, because it's much cheaper and at the same time less mongers, so they might be more open to it. It might take a while for me bring it up, but I will surely write a report about it if I'm successful.

It was really interesting watching that documentary. It gave me an insight on how the minds of some of this girls work. Let me know you thoughts about it after you finish watching it Night Guy.

Member #4270
10-11-14, 19:22
Tonight I went cruising Tobita's main street, the one with the big clock and the best looking girls, with my mind set on getting the best looking gal I could find.

I went at 8 PM peak hour on a Saturday. I usually try to avoid weekends and peak times, I even plan my visits ahead of time for the week and call ahead to the shop, but this time I had an urge and it happened to be at this time. Indeed, Tobita's main street was full of people walking on it, and the occasional automobile. However, I must say, most of the people you see walking in Tobita are not all potential customers, specially the groups of young people, I doubt they even have the money on them to get serviced, just by their attitude you can tell they are only taking a look at the girls.

I know better than to follow too close the Japanese walking in the street since common mongering wisdom has it that usually the landladies focus on attracting Japanese clientele and avoid to be seen calling out foreigners in front of other Japanese. But this time it was so packed of people that it was just unavoidable to walk next to the Japanese, however my douzo rate was the same as them if not better, even though I could not look more like a foreigner, I was welcomed by 90% of the shops. Looks help me somewhat and I dress well, but I believe the main reason for my high douzo rate was that I walked as if I clearly meant business, looking slowly at each shop and girl carefully and nodding if I received a call. By my second stroll at the street it was clear to all the landladies that I meant to get service and wasn't just window-shopping or a lost tourist. Only two landladies looked past me, I couldn't tell if they were avoiding me for being foreigner or if they just don't call out to people. I was set on getting the girl I liked even if I didn't get a douzo, but I didn't have to test either of those two shops since I didn't like the girls.

So, I can confirm what AirNest said before about Tobita being foreign friendly in the present. I went at peak time on a Saturday and was welcomed by almost all shops in the main street, and this is discounting that I hadn't show yet any sign of knowing Japanese and that I don't look Asian. At least one landlady called out to me in English "Hello, (I had to nod to it, but heck that was embarrassing), and the shop I finally entered had welcomed me at the entrance even before I showed I could speak Japanese. Girls have the final say on whether they will service you based on your race, language skills, looks, and just plainly the preferences and mood of the girl, so there is a chance you can still be rejected, but I was welcomed by practically all of the landladies in the main street even before they confirmed with the girl if it was OK to call out to me.

I received further confirmation later that they are foreign friendly in Tobita's main street when they offered me an English menu in the house I entered, and also the girl I choose mentioned me that some foreigners visit that place frequently. My success cannot be attributed to personal luck or experience, since I have been rejected on plenty of pink salons and health hotels, and have also had dropped delivery health calls in the past. I insist it must have been because I looked to be down to business, even more than most of the Japanese people on the street.

I can only but offer one theory about the reason why some foreigners might be rejected at Tobita, or why others have seen them getting rejected. The protocol in Tobita is that you enter the house, exchange a few words with the landlady and the girl at the entrance, and then are immediately lead upstairs to the room where you are let known the price. There is no mention of sex or anything by name, and you are not supposed to ask prices at the entrance. I believe that maybe foreigners are rejected when they enter a shop and ask directly for a price or name sex. If you have a good enough level of Japanese and show that you know the system, maybe you can get away with being that direct and asking prices at the entrance; but if you are inexperienced or look insecure, that might be reason enough for them to turn you down. Again, that's just a theory I offer.

The shop I went is one of the ones in the first block next to the clock. The shop has the kanji for 'yume' (dream) 'no' (the hiragana particle but written in kanji) 'ie' (house). 夢20035;23478;12288;In this house they had an English menu — but I have been offered English menu in small houses in Matsushima as well —. It looked to be one of the most popular houses in Tobita, just based on location, and I believe they have 4 girls in rotation at the same time.

I won't share the name of the girl. She was the best looking gal I could find, at least from the girls available tonight (10 or 20% of the shops in the main street had all their girls picked; or maybe they just have one girl and it was picked? Close but not quite the same as a JAV actress. I usually don't repair very much on the looks of the girls as long as they're petite, but this time I was set on getting the best looking gal just because. When I get to visit Matsushima again I will take a look at the girls in the gaudy house there, and offer my opinion on how they compare.

Price was 15.000 yen for 20 minutes, 21.000 yen for 30 minutes, and 30.000 yen for 40 minutes. Service was good, some small talk, bareback and covered blow job, and covered full service. I wasn't refused french kissing, but I'm pretty sure now that the reason why some girls refuse it is because it can be extremely exhausting to the mouth — at least it is to me, even when I like it —, specially when they have to serve several customers in the same night.

GFE was good, I dare say. Usually if the girl is hot they don't provide good GFE, but in this case it was good. The main reason I went to Tobita's main street tonight was because I wanted to try one of their best girls, and also to compare GFE with the girl I frequent. Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel? It seems disproportionate, but being able to corroborate that directly seemed worth the money and breaking the strike I had of visiting only one girl for quite a while already.

What I could confirm was that it is extremely difficult to read these girls just based on sex. There are some hints here and there of when they are genuinely taking pleasure and when they are faking it, but it is very difficult to know for sure. I have developed some intimacy with my regular, but I noticed enough repeated patrons with this new girl that now I know they are set patterns. Take with a grain of salt any compliments you might get on your looks, size, as well as moans during sex, they are all patterns. A scary one is feigned embarrassment (hazukashii), I was suspicious of that before, and now I think it is a pattern, or could it be that they do genuinely get embarrassed sometimes? I don't think so. What surprised me the most, however, was kissing, it was very similar in both cases, even though I have been kissing my regular girl for quite some time. I prefer gentle kissing, but these girls usually break into depth kissing — if they allow it —, as a routine. They might not even keep these patterns intentionally, same goes here, I also complimented unintentionally this girl in a similar fashion I use to compliment my regular (in my defense, I do find all these girls extremely beautiful, I'm not lying).

I did notice a big difference in conversation and personality, though. The girl I had was very nice with me, but I didn't feel the same connection I had with my regular the first time I met her. In the end, it does leave you thinking if what you feel is really love or not, let alone why the girls feel. When it comes to sex is very hard to tell passion from service, and when it comes to conversation the difference is easier to tell, but you don't know if their stories are true.

One final horny detail about the red districts. I have visited both Tobita and Matsushima recently and a few times each. Different girls have their own smell, but there is definitely a distinctive smell to girls in Tobita and a smell, or rather lack of it, to girls in Matsushima. Girls in Matsushima take ridiculous amounts of showers, two in between customers, and you won't smell anything in them but soap and perfume. On the other hand, I believe girls in Tobita use a bidet but not showers, or at least don't shower as frequent as in Matsushima, so they have a more raw smell of sex, sweet, and perfume to them. To each whichever smell turns him on, I enjoy both.

Ocean25
10-13-14, 10:51
I found this Sauna in front of Kyoto station. Do places like this have any sex services or is it just a bath place?

http://www.sauna-verdeclub.jp

Ominae34
10-13-14, 13:19
Hey,

I'm in Kyoto for a couple of days and was thinking about trying them out. Can anyone who's tried the MS a review.

Thanks

Nola Kenner
10-13-14, 17:20
I found this Sauna in front of Kyoto station. Do places like this have any sex services or is it just a bath place?

http://www.sauna-verdeclub.jpI remember seeing that place. I believe it is a legit place and does not offer sex services. I did not go inside but that is what a Japanese friend told me.

Sympalogy
10-13-14, 19:18
they offered me an English menu in the house I enteredHey Night Guy K.

Get soon to be a Senior Member so that we can PM you, will ya? LOL.

I just wanted to ask what was in the menu, just the price or other services such as anal etc, and I thought a PM would be enough to inquire, but I couldn't shoot you any.

BTW, excellent report, you really went in depth to both describe the experience and give us a better understanding of it, which is always great.

Your talk about patterns that the girls employ must be kept in mind by all those who easily fall in love with a girl who gives a good GFE (I did that plenty of times already).

Member #4270
10-14-14, 06:11
Hey Night Guy K.

Get soon to be a Senior Member so that we can PM you, will ya? LOL.

I just wanted to ask what was in the menu, just the price or other services such as anal etc, and I thought a PM would be enough to inquire, but I couldn't shoot you any.I should get a senior member account, but then again my experience isn't really that big, I don't have much additional experience of what I've shared in the reports.

As for the menu, they only have listened prices of time (30 minutes, 40 minutes, 1 hour; and extensions). There is not mention at all of sex services. This is the same both for Tobita and Matsushima. They are supposedly restaurants, and you are paying for eating some desserts with a lady, what you get charged for is just "time," like a hostess bar or maid cafe.

You pay and discuss time with the girl and landlady present, and you hang the money to the landlady. After the landlady leaves, you can discuss with the girl explicitly what do you want and if she is ok with that. Sometimes they will even tell you what they don't provide before you ask. If your Japanese is good and you feel confident you might ask the landlady to give you one minute to discuss in private with the girl before paying; but this is not usual — I have never tried —, the protocol is that you pay first, and only latter you discuss with the girl. Each girl has a different set the conditions, and they also change depending on the customer.

What you get for granted is covered oral sex and intercourse. Some girls refuse french kissing, but usually you can take soft kissing for granted. Anything else you cannot take for granted: uncovered oral sex (although is pretty common), uncovered intercourse (if you become a frequent customer is common, but not the first time), anal sex, etc. See my discussion with AirNest about threesomes, I think it applies to anal sex too, and I bet that if you are stinking rich it also applies to overnight stays as well. This is just my theory, I haven't tried it myself:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?976-Kansai-Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto&p=1631109&viewfull=1#post1631109

If you are interested in anal sex or some other extra service, the best option would be health delivery. You can see their webpages, call and ask directly.

Mysterio
10-14-14, 12:09
Hello everyone,

I arrive into Kyoto for a few days of work and would love some recommendations for a foreigner-friendly pink bar (BBJ).

Alas, I only speak English, but present well.

I will be sure to report on all my experiences and I very much appreciate the advice.

Hope all is well and thanks!

M

Sympalogy
10-14-14, 18:03
If you are interested in anal sex or some other extra service, the best option would be health delivery. You can see their webpages, call and ask directly.Thanks NGK,

I'll look into Japanese Escort Girls Club since that is the one you recommended.

I don't see anal on offer though, only prostate play.

I remember a few years back I read about places that offered only anal sex because that is not considered prostitution, and I hoped to hear about such places in Osaka.

Any other Health Delivery you heard good things about that you'd recommend?

Asian Travels
10-15-14, 06:27
Quick visit to Kobe and stopped in Fukuhara Red Light area for a BJ. Got invited in right away at a shop I had been to 5-7 years ago.

8,000 for 40 min. They promised a girl in 20's and they weren't lying. Very slender, and stripped down to nothing after the ritual antiseptic cleaning.

She lay back and encouraged fingering, then offered FS for a fee of 3,000.

It was quick (first shot of the day usually is), and I still had about 20 min on the clock and could have gone another round easily, but she said no BJs after FS, so I took off.

PM for exact location.

Sakaisuji
10-17-14, 09:21
Hello everyone,

I arrive into Kyoto for a few days of work and would love some recommendations for a foreigner-friendly pink bar (BBJ).

Alas, I only speak English, but present well.

I will be sure to report on all my experiences and I very much appreciate the advice.

Hope all is well and thanks!

MThere is a friendly place near MacDonalds near Hankyu Kawaramachi station. If you gooogle Marui dept store (above Kawaramachi station) There's a McD across a small stream very near the river. There's a FamilyMart and about 4 doors down on the left a small set of stairs with a Girls Spy sign. If you go during the day there is a small round bald fellow who works the door. In the evening a middle aged woman with glasses. The man charges 10,000 to enter. The woman about 7500. You might have to pay extra to get the BJ in the evening (3,000).

Member #4270
10-20-14, 12:34
There is a friendly place near MacDonalds near Hankyu Kawaramachi station. If you gooogle Marui dept store (above Kawaramachi station) There's a McD across a small stream very near the river. There's a FamilyMart and about 4 doors down on the left a small set of stairs with a Girls Spy sign. If you go during the day there is a small round bald fellow who works the door. In the evening a middle aged woman with glasses. The man charges 10,000 to enter. The woman about 7500. You might have to pay extra to get the BJ in the evening (3,000).That's not a very good deal for a BJ. But still, it is very difficult for foreigners to get access to P4 P in Kyoto, so it's appreciated having the option. Just around that place there is another pink bar I was denied once. I was just around that McDonalds, and took a chance to get some directions in Google Maps:

https://www.google.co.jp/maps/place/35°00'10.8%22N+135°46'14.2%22E/

35°00'10.8"and 135°46'14.2"E (35.003010, 135.770625).

I didn't try it, it was raining and there were no touts. But it was open, you could just enter and go up stairs. A sign said "30 minutes for 4. 000 yens", but the place is located next to a restaurant, so that price probably is just advertisement to enter, it is not an obvious pink bar unless you are familiar with the system.


Quick visit to Kobe and stopped in Fukuhara Red Light area for a BJ. Got invited in right away at a shop I had been to 5-7 years ago.

8,000 for 40 min. They promised a girl in 20's and they weren't lying. Very slender, and stripped down to nothing after the ritual antiseptic cleaning.

She lay back and encouraged fingering, then offered FS for a fee of 3,000.That's a good price for FS. I didn't know Kobe had such deals.

Asian Travels
10-24-14, 09:25
That's a good price for FS. I didn't know Kobe had such deals.Definitely a YMMV case.

I went there 10 years ago and everyone was over 40 and no FS offered. I think you have a better chance when BJ places are not busy, since the gals are there to make money. I also think some prefer lying on their backs to actually kneeling and working your tool.

Gakkui
10-24-14, 18:24
Wanting to pursue a relationship with one girl at Tobita. This girl actually feels like my GF. Here's my recent update. I just visited my regular girl at Tobita and boy she was delighted to.

See me. Lots of Deep french kissing, cuddling, biting and lots of kissing on the face. I can't recount how many times we kissed each other. Yikes. I also got discount too. ! We just embraced each other for a long time like two long lost lovers. And I am seriously falling for this girl, I don't know if she feel way towards me but I definitely can feel the vibe and chemistry between us despite the language barrier. And the mamasan is the one who. Is taking notice of our love affair.

And I think she opened up to me more than my previous visits with her. I guess she really missed me hahha. But I think there alot of incentives sticking with your regulars because the service keeps getting better and better. Not to mention time extensions and discounts. The love saga. Continues.

Member #4270
10-24-14, 20:01
I finally finished reading the whole Kobe-Osaka-Nara-Kyoto, it was extremely long and it took me several days. Long is good because it has a lot of information, probably the most detailed I have found online in regard to P4P for foreigners in Kansai area. But long also means a pain in the butt, just because of how much there is to read for anyone starting new. I hope I don't move to Tokyo and have to read the whole Tokyo thread, which is ten times as long.

For my last report, hopefully in a while, I took the chance to go to Tobita-shinchi's main street recently to get serviced (my previous report), and since I was near Kujo these days I also took a chance to go to Matsushima-shinchi's main street only to window-shop (which I hate doing, it is the lowest thing in my opinion), so I could compare them. I believe that Tobita's working hours are longer than Matsushima. Matsushima starts around 3 pm and by 9 pm most (but not all) shops start closing. On the other hand, most shops in Tobita stay well open almost until 11 pm, and I believe they also open a little bit earlier too. The size of both districts is almost the same as well as the selection of girls, what actually changes is the amount of activity, there are many more customers in and out of Tobita than in Matsushima. I visited both districts at peak hour, just before 8 pm, and limited myself only to their main streets. Honestly, I couldn't find any big difference between the girls in Tobita and Matsushima. My impression was that girls in Matsushima are younger, early and mid twenties, while girls in Tobita are just a bit older, mid and late twenties. It's a very small, and averaged, age difference, which maybe makes for girls in Matsushima being more petite, but less busty.

Usually girls come and go fast in Tobita and Matsushima, for what I understand these two red districts are places where very rarely girls work for a long time, but rather places where girls can make considerable amounts money fast for whichever reason they need it. For this reason is hard to make lasting reviews of the looks of the girls working there. All I'm saying is that 1. At least at the time of this review, 2. Limited just to the main streets, and 3. Speaking from my opinion, the looks of the girls were practically the same. A few, but considerable number of incredibly beautiful girls, and for the most part several average cute looking girls. Outside the main streets there are also other options, if you prefer older women or a different look. In Tobita they are extremely open to foreigners and they call to you, in Matsushima they are more reserved, at least to calling you by 'douzo' (keep in mind, that this includes Japanese people as well, Matsushima is in the middle of its neighborhood, near a shotengai, and many people from the neighborhood just walk past it), but they are also foreign friendly, specially if you walk slow around the streets and make eye contact.

There is one girl I really like in Tobita and for a while I will just keep seeing her, I'm already looking forward to visiting her on winter and Christmas. So there is no more point in my writing reports at least for the time she keeps working in Tobita, some months at the very least. Once she is done with Tobita, I hope I will too. There are so many incredibly beautiful girls in Tobita and Matsushima, but personally, I cannot stand getting to know their stories and backgrounds, once you get to know them it eats you from the inside.

Thanks a lot for the information in this thread, earnestly, after all that's how I found her in the first place; in return I have also shared whatever little information I have found personally. I guess that makes us all sons of bitches now. If the information I shared is of any use to some of you, maybe someone new, try to be nice with the girls you meet. You don't need to be sentimental, it's just business and it's better if you treat it like that, but at least try to be nice to the girls. Specially in Tobita and Matsushima, it's just good business for you as well, if you are nice usually the girls will give you more time and also allow you things that they usually don't to other customers. It works best if you are a frequent customer, but in my experience it also works even for the first time, if you treat well the girls, they will treat you better in return as well.

If I don't write again in this thread that will meant that I made it. Either that, or that I forgot my password and had to create a new account by the time I came back to this forum — I won't hide the fact, I will just choose Night Guy something as my nickname.

Member #4270
10-25-14, 04:27
Wanting to pursue a relationship with one girl at Tobita. This girl actually feels like my GF. Here's my recent update. I just visited my regular girl at Tobita and boy she was delighted to.

See me. Lots of Deep french kissing, cuddling, biting and lots of kissing on the face. I can't recount how many times we kissed each other. Yikes. I also got discount too. ! We just embraced each other for a long time like two long lost lovers. And I am seriously falling for this girl, I don't know if she feel way towards me but I definitely can feel the vibe and chemistry between us despite the language barrier. And the mamasan is the one who. Is taking notice of our love affair.

And I think she opened up to me more than my previous visits with her. I guess she really missed me hahha. But I think there alot of incentives sticking with your regulars because the service keeps getting better and better. Not to mention time extensions and discounts. The love saga. Continues.I posted my last report before reading yours. I'm glad you are back in Japan. Go for it Gakkui! You give me hope. It's not a competition, but I would feel very bad if I lost to you. I'm pretty sure I lose in looks to you, but I have a language advantage, plus I live in Japan. Then again, you are Korean, and that is extremely popular among Japanese gals, and you also said to have some experience on dating girls with these kind of jobs before.

If you learn enough Japanese, or if her English is good enough, you could try asking her until which hour does she work and come for her last turn. Maybe she will ask you if you can take the train back home together, or you can try asking her directly. It is very difficult to win that much trust, it's dangerous for them to meet people outside, but you could try. Don't try to ambush the girl at the station, or any other place if you happen to see her.

I still think the best thing is to ask directly the girl you like if you can meet her outside Tobita and start dating, but then her feelings and her economic incentives would be at odds. On the other hand, the longer you remain a customer, the more difficult it will be for you to stop being seen by her as a customer and start being seen as a lover.

Maybe some people are wondering if by any chance we are seeing the same girl in Tobita, but you said the girl you see is extremely beautiful and in the main street. Mine is not from the main street and is average cute looking.

Anyhow, good luck, Gakkui!

Famest
10-25-14, 09:21
Hello,

Can anyone post Tobita web site or its place on Google map.

AussieGaigin
10-26-14, 00:20
Tobita is a district of Osaka. You can find it on Google maps.

Gakkui
10-26-14, 15:49
I posted my last report before reading yours. I'm glad you are back in Japan. Go for it Gakkui! You give me hope. It's not a competition, but I would feel very bad if I lost to you. I'm pretty sure I lose in looks to you, but I have a language advantage, plus I live in Japan. Then again, you are Korean, and that is extremely popular among Japanese gals, and you also said to have some experience on dating girls with these kind of jobs before.

If you learn enough Japanese, or if her English is good enough, you could try asking her until which hour does she work and come for her last turn. Maybe she will ask you if you can take the train back home together, or you can try asking her directly. It is very difficult to win that much trust, it's dangerous for them to meet people outside, but you could try. Don't try to ambush the girl at the station, or any other place if you happen to see her.ㅇㅂㅅㅁ

I still think the best thing is to ask directly the girl you like if you can meet her outside Tobita and start dating, but then her feelings and her economic incentives would be at odds. On the other hand, the longer you remain a customer, the more difficult it will be for you to stop being seen by her as a customer and start being seen as a lover.

Maybe some people are wondering if by any chance we are seeing the same girl in Tobita, but you said the girl you see is extremely beautiful and in the main street. Mine is not from the main street and is average cute looking.

Anyhow, good luck, Gakkui!Thanks night guy for your positive feedback. I hope you keep continue posting on this forum.

These places sure make you deeply fall in love night guy and wondering why you decide to write your last posts here. I find your comments very informative and interesting. I like to hear more of your interesting stories in the future. Keep us posted.

I am pretty sure you will win because you have the advantage of living in Japan and you have many opportunies to meet gorgeous japanese women there on a daily basis. I am just a short term visitor in Japan.

Here's a strange encounter I had in Japan the other day I like to share. I was heading back to my hotel taking a subway and a japanese man signaled me too approach these three girls standing next to him. He was In the middle, the girls were in the left and I was standing in the right corner. And as far as I can tell the girls were giggling and making straight eye contact with me like they were checking me out.

And it was clearly noticeable he was flicking his finger towards to me approach them. I guess he heard them overtalking about about me. Are japanese girls this assertive when expressing interest? I was thinking no way girls in Japan can't be that easy. I thought they were shy but I was quite surprised with this encounter. What do you make of this? Are japanese girls. Easy to approach and receptive towards strangers? I just couldn't believe it.

And I am curious of who your regular is night guy? Can you describe her appearance and age? Who knows its a small world after all.

And tobita love story will continue. I don't want to ask her out outside of her work because I feel that it takes some time and effort in my part to reach that level of trust. I will ask her when the time is just right. I don't want to pressure her into doing anything. I just like the ways things are and I am just one happy customer. I. don't live in Japan so that idea is unlikely for now. But I am. Considering moving to Japan next year so I can be with her. I did express to her that I wanted to move to osaka so I can be close to her and she was very receptive with that thought. But I am truly happy when I am with her. . I just dunno. But I have developed very strong feelings and desires since the day I met her and still strong. The passion and love is definitely there. But I can tell we ve gotten pretty close so far. I can't wait to see her again and get to know her more. She told me she will wait for me. I have noticed one thing that really ruins my mood. Do you start to feel jealous when your regular is servicing other guys? I just can't seem to get that off my mind but it kinda bothers me. How about you? I tried to ignore it but I can't get that thought off my mind. Thats the hardest part for me whether or not to pursue this relationship further. Thats one thing I cannot stand and I feel like a fool for falling for her. But overall she's just the ssweetest gal ever I met so far and I just feel. She is really truly special. But its something about her that made me overlook those things. Sometimes I wonder why I fall in love with girls in the wrong places. Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

AussieGaigin
10-27-14, 03:03
Here's a strange encounter I had in Japan the other day I like to share. I was heading back to my hotel taking a subway and a japanese man signaled me too approach these three girls standing next to him. He was In the middle, the girls were in the left and I was standing in the right corner. And as far as I can tell the girls were giggling and making straight eye contact with me like they were checking me out.

And it was clearly noticeable he was flicking his finger towards to me approach them. I guess he heard them overtalking about about me. Are japanese girls this assertive when expressing interest? I was thinking no way girls in Japan can't be that easy. I thought they were shy but I was quite surprised with this encounter. What do you make of this? Are japanese girls. Easy to approach and receptive towards strangers? I just couldn't believe it.

I was in Japan a few years back on a business trip. I needed to buy a new suitcase to pack in all the "souvenirs" I had picked up in my travels, so one of the girls from the office accompanied me to a local shop. While I was looking around the merchandise, the girl got chatting to the salesgirl for a while. After we left she burst out laughing and told me that the salesgirl thought I was cute and asked "is he available?

Earlier on the same trip, I was flying to Osaka and had a few days free time before the business side. I had thought about chasing up an old business associate (female) who I hadn't seen for a few years. I knew which company she worked for, but wasn't sure if she was still there. While I was waiting to board the plane I noticed another girl from the same company in the lounge so I approached her to find out which branch of the company she worked for. Amazingly it was the same office so I asked her if she knew if M was still working there. Half expecting a "Sorry, I've never heard of her" response I was flabbergasted when she told me M was one of her best friends. After explaining how I knew M and that I was hoping to track her down, she told me that she knew M was away on a trip, but she would be happy to show me around for a day. She turned up the next day and we went out, and she ended staying the night in my hotel room. I wrote a short message for M and asked her to pass it on. Back in Sydney about a month later I get a phone call from M in Sydney, wondering what I was doing in Osaka. When I explained what happened, she got somewhat upset and told me she hadn't been away at all at that time. I arranged to meet up with her a couple of days later, and did some physician catching up. I never heard from her again, but often wondered what discussions occurred between the two girls when M returned home.

So in summary, J girls can be very assertive if they decide they want you. I have had quite a few more experiences like that over the years.

Member #4270
10-27-14, 05:43
I find your comments very informative and interesting. I like to hear more of your interesting stories in the future. Keep us posted.I'm not sure people who come to this forum are interested in these lovey-dovey stories, they are not very useful to most people. On the other hand, I'm not interested in writing informative reports since that would require me to visit other places and women, and I would rather not for the time being.

For the next months I won't have much to report.


I don't want to ask her out outside of her work because I feel that it takes some time and effort in my part to reach that level of trust. I will ask her when the time is just right. I don't want to pressure her into doing anything. I just like the ways things are and I am just one happy customer.That's probably the best. Enjoy being a customer while it lasts, these girls don't stay for that long in these places. You should check with her how long does she plan to work at Tobita, though, if it is short term and she will finish before you can come to Japan, try to ask for her mail and let her know that you want to see her even after she leaves Tobita.


I have noticed one thing that really ruins my mood. Do you start to feel jealous when your regular is servicing other guys? I just can't seem to get that off my mind but it kinda bothers me. How about you? I tried to ignore it but I can't get that thought off my mind. Thats the hardest part for me whether or not to pursue this relationship further. Thats one thing I cannot stand and I feel like a fool for falling for her.Well, that's unavoidable, you need to remember how you meet the girl in the first place. There are other customers just like you paying to have sex with her; sometimes you only see their shoes at the entrance; other times you see them leaving the shop; and other times you are made to wait in a waiting room where you can even overhear them fuck and the moans of the girl pretending to enjoy it. It can be too much sometimes, even if you are OK with the girl having that job.

I don't get jealous of all customers. But I do wonder if maybe she has other special customers, I know for a fact that she has other regular customers, and I assume they must treat her better than occasional customers do, and she also must be nice to them to keep the coming. On one hand, I fear she might find a more special customer than me; on the other, I would prefer that all customers treated her well and I also want her making money, so the more regular customers she has, and the nicer they are to her, the better for her I think.

Now and then, the issue of other customers comes out in our conversations. The same with STDs. We mostly avoid those topics, but all those issues are in the background all the time. Personally, I don't feel like I'm putting up with a lot, nor do I feel like a fool for falling for her. All the downsides from me seeing her come in the first place from me visiting brothels, not from her being a sex worker. Or rather, they come from a mix of both things. There is no one condition without the other. These issues are some sort of shared circumstances, they are not only hers, they are yours as well. You get to have sex with her because you are a customer, and what makes her job and the market work is that there are more customers.


Sometimes I wonder why I fall in love with girls in the wrong places. Your advice would be greatly appreciated.If you can meet girls in different places and more common environments, I advice you to try meeting new girls. Give it a fair try, meet Japanese or Korean girls with normal jobs and see if you can find the same connection you found with this girl in Tobita. Not because girls at Tobita are second class, far from it, but because their circumstances are very complex and unlikely to change easily.

In my case is a mix of me not being able to date normal girls, which got me into Tobita in the first place; and also very specific feelings I developed for this particular girl. Sometimes it feels like fate. It takes the two of us to pretend it is something special, maybe even love, and keep that illusion alive, but it takes only one of us to wake up and burst the bubble.


Are japanese girls this assertive when expressing interest? I was thinking no way girls in Japan can't be that easy. I thought they were shy but I was quite surprised with this encounter. What do you make of this? Are japanese girls. Easy to approach and receptive towards strangers? I just couldn't believe it.Japanese girls in groups and when going out can be rather assertive. They are usually shier alone, but still very approachable. The best are pairs of girls, neither too assertive, nor too shy.

I wouldn't call Japanese girls easy. They are more open to start an encounter, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will take it very far if they don't get interested after talking with you.

Gakkui
10-27-14, 06:05
I was in Japan a few years back on a business trip. I needed to buy a new suitcase to pack in all the "souvenirs" I had picked up in my travels, so one of the girls from the office accompanied me to a local shop. While I was looking around the merchandise, the girl got chatting to the salesgirl for a while. After we left she burst out laughing and told me that the salesgirl thought I was cute and asked "is he available?

Earlier on the same trip, I was flying to Osaka and had a few days free time before the business side. I had thought about chasing up an old business associate (female) who I hadn't seen for a few years. I knew which company she worked for, but wasn't sure if she was still there. While I was waiting to board the plane I noticed another girl from the same company in the lounge so I approached her to find out which branch of the company she worked for. Amazingly it was the same office so I asked her if she knew if M was still working there. Half expecting a "Sorry, I've never heard of her" response I was flabbergasted when she told me M was one of her best friends. After explaining how I knew M and that I was hoping to track her down, she told me that she knew M was away on a trip, but she would be happy to show me around for a day. She turned up the next day and we went out, and she ended staying the night in my hotel room. ...I should of hollered them back if I knew Japanese girls were this assertive. I just noticed how they would also make alot of eye contact with me in public places and maybe that's a sign to approach and talk to them. Missed so many golden opportunities. I guess Japanese onnas find me hot.

Mysterio
10-27-14, 07:59
Greetings all from Kyoto,

When I first arrived I visited the old 'Pixie club' location very close to the Kawaramachi station to the north. The name had changed but I think it's the same tout from 2010.

Seems they have 3 women on call at a time, naturally I tried all three. The tout could not guarantee CIM, but all three were quite adept at BBBJ. With the first girl swallowing!

They were all middle aged Japanese women probably late 30's early 40's and nice for the price 7000 yen /30 min. With all the beautiful young ones around I chose not to repeat. Hoping for a bit of luck elsewhere.

Many thanks to Sakaisuji for his response! Just south of the very same subway stop (and bridge) is 'Girl Spy'. A daytime visit was 7000 yen and the woman was fit and sacked like a pro. No hands and all mouth talent with CIM. This was for 30 min.

I dropped in to Girl Spy the next evening and was only offered a hand job for the 7000 yen. The girl, "Amy" was the youngest yet, in great shape and explained she would suck for an additional $30. Sure. She did an okay job, but not as skilled as the older ladies.

If anyone has a recommendation for another gaijin friendly pink bar in Kyoto. Please let us know. I'm here another four days. Then onto Tokyo.

Be safe and happy hunting.

Mysterio

Gakkui
11-02-14, 07:14
I frequented with my regular and I felt pretty sad leaving parting with her. I feel that falling in love with the girls in Tobita is a bad idea even though they give you an illusion that they are in love with you. From my experience I feel dating will be too complicated for me and because of the long distance and her being a sex worker. I can't keep up with all the traveling and the mental stress. I am not so good with maintaining relationships either. I also felt that the language barrier was a challenge because I had a hard time expressing myself. Maybe I should study Japanese harder. But hence, I do thank her for the exceptional service. It sure got me hooked and I wanted to see her and more. It was that good and she did a great job doing so. I felt. Like she was my actual GF in many ways. She wanted me to cum inside her which I did expect in many occasions. She made me realize how great sex is too. She made so effort to. Please me in which I was grateful for.

I wonder if is she treats all her customers like this but boy she treated me very well which I appreciated. But I got to say best P4 experience ever and worth every penny. If anybody had similar experiences like mines please share.

GetsZa
11-04-14, 17:00
Which girl was that? Do you know the shop number? Will try her and give you a report on whether she does it to all her customer.


I frequented with my regular and I felt pretty sad leaving parting with her. I feel that falling in love with the girls in Tobita is a bad idea even though they give you an illusion that they are in love with you. From my experience I feel dating will be too complicated for me and because of the long distance and her being a sex worker. I can't keep up with all the traveling and the mental stress. I am not so good with maintaining relationships either. I also felt that the language barrier was a challenge because I had a hard time expressing myself. Maybe I should study Japanese harder. But hence, I do thank her for the exceptional service. It sure got me hooked and I wanted to see her and more. It was that good and she did a great job doing so. I felt. Like she was my actual GF in many ways. She wanted me to cum inside her which I did expect in many occasions. She made me realize how great sex is too. She made so effort to. Please me in which I was grateful for.

I wonder if is she treats all her customers like this but boy she treated me very well which I appreciated. But I got to say best P4 experience ever and worth every penny. If anybody had similar experiences like mines please share..

Gakkui
11-05-14, 06:23
I don't want to mention her shop or name because I want to I want to remain discreet as possible. You have to find out yourself. She works in middle of the smoking hot blvd and I don't know whether her shop accepts foreigners. Maybe I was an exception. But I can describe the service she gave me. It surely was not mechanical like other mongers have posted such CBBJ and CFS.

She likes you to undress her. Lots of cuddling and kissing. She loves being touched especially the breast area. She's loves 69. And doggy. Loves fingering. And BBBJ and full service sex without a condom. No need to ask. I prefer using condom but I guess she likes it uncovered with me. She likes it alot if you cum inside her but maybe I was an exception. And far as her looks and body. I would say a 10 plus plus. I. heard most girls in Tobita don't allow full service without a condom and most do CBJ which I find hard to believe. I was particularly surprised when she insisted on me finishing inside her. I thought it was pretty risky for her to do that. I just like to hear other peoples experience and I do want to try other girls and see if other girls offer this kind of service. I have been a regular with her for some time now. Even my GF won't allow me to cum insider her which I felt unexpected.

PyWasHere
11-18-14, 20:25
I don't want to mention her shop or name because I want to I want to remain discreet as possible. You have to find out yourself. She works in middle of the smoking hot blvd and I don't know whether her shop accepts foreigners. Maybe I was an exception. But I can describe the service she gave me. It surely was not mechanical like other mongers have posted such CBBJ and CFS.

She likes you to undress her. Lots of cuddling and kissing. She loves being touched especially the breast area. She's loves 69. And doggy. Loves fingering. And BBBJ and full service sex without a condom. No need to ask. I prefer using condom but I guess she likes it uncovered with me. She likes it alot if you cum inside her but maybe I was an exception. And far as her looks and body. I would say a 10 plus plus. I. heard most girls in Tobita don't allow full service without a condom and most do CBJ which I find hard to believe. I was particularly surprised when she insisted on me finishing inside her. I thought it was pretty risky for her to do that. I just like to hear other peoples experience and I do want to try other girls and see if other girls offer this kind of service. I have been a regular with her for some time now. Even my GF won't allow me to cum insider her which I felt unexpected.Hi,

May I ask where is the smoking hot blvd?

PyWasHere
11-18-14, 20:28
I went to Matsushima again today. I was planning to go this weekend, but the strong typhoon is scheduled to hit Japan this weekend. I arrived there at around 5:15 PM, I was the only one mongering, it doesn't get like this in Tobita even during off-peak hours. Everyone was trying to invite me to their shop. I decided to try one of the smaller shops this time. I passed by this shop last Saturday on my way back to the station, and one beautiful girl caught my eye. She was really good looking, also she looked like one of my junior high school students. I remembered doing a double take last Saturday, because at first I thought it was my student. I was really surprised and thought it was her. Anyway, I stopped in front of their shop when the mama-san called me. There were 4 girls sitting in front of the shop, the mama-san asked me to pick a girl. I chose the girl which looked like my student and we went inside. I chose the 15,000 yen course for my trial and error. I had a bad feeling about it and my fears would soon be realized. The girl's name is Riko, she looked like my student and would easily pass as her elder sister. She has a beautiful face and to my surprise big natural breasts, probably an E or F cup! We started with the shower. After that she started of with a CBJ. After I got hard, she asked me if I wanted to be on top or on the bottom. I told her I wanted her to get on top of me and she obliged. I asked her if kissing is OK. She said no. Strike 1...It seems like Rina is a good choice huh? May I know which big house is it? Or is there only one? Never been there before so I was thinking of heading here to check it out!

PyWasHere
11-19-14, 01:07
Hi guys,

I just came across this forum and really glad to see that its active!

I am actually on a student visa in Osaka. Been here for 4 years already and I first went to Tobita Shinchi 3 years back. I am not very experienced in sex back then so I felt that I didn't make my money worth and it was too expensive back then.

My visa expire next year so I thought I should go there more often since I am here and I live very near the place. So recently, I went there and tried one of the more mature ones. She was really into it and knew how to give those erotic expressions often seen in Japan porn. She told me she love sex and thought this was a great job since she felt she was good at it and could earn money easily off it.

I also went to Shinodayama. I got rejected everywhere because it seems that they are very strict on the ONLY Japanese rule. However, I managed to get into one of the less better ones since I lied that I was half Japanese and just came back. Then the counter girl just ask if its safe to entrust the girl to me so I say yeah of course and I was allowed in. However, I got a fat and ugly girl so I left unsatisfied. In Shinodayama, you do not get to choose the girls you want that is why the prices are low. 7500 for 15 mins including FS BBJ etc. You are allowed to say your preference but still its up to lady luck. I saw two houses which many guys frequent. One of it had queues all the way outside and it has a very traditional Japanese exterior. Like way back during the Meiji era kinda design. The other one just right of the entrance with black and pink kinda exterior seems good because I happen to see a few girls reporting for work and they were beautiful. I assumed if you know which house have the girls you want, it would be worth the money to come here instead since the rates are like 4000 yen cheaper. I got rejected of course but I am pretty sure I can get in if I have some sort of I'd with Japanese name on it. Hoping to find a way so I can also visit the better Soaplands in Kobe since most are non gaijin friendly.

Thats all for now, will be back with more reports soon.

And to anybody who frequent Tobita, Matsushima, Soapland, please ask me along cause I think it would be a great help to share our information on which house have the better girls.

PyWasHere
11-19-14, 06:18
Yesterday I just had the greatest time EVER. in some previous report I had heard about this place nearly nobody talks about, but which is worth trying before to die.

For the directions, left the Osaka JR station as if you were going to the Hankyuu department store. Then it is straight forward, right then left to get to the street (attached map here) if you can't read it, or if you just cannot find the street, there is an information center just after leaving the train station where they will give you what you want (map,directions, nearly go with you to make sure you find :D). Once you're on the right street, go straight straight and keep watching on your right side. Finally you'll see the shop with name written in hiragana and kanji as shown in the pic attached here (in my memories, that was brown and not green... maybe mistaken, watch)

From now I assume you found the shop. so please get in, 3rd floor.. the tout is well-suited and quite gaijin friendly, provided you don't act like assholes. So do not hesitate to tell him that you are a foreigner, and ask gently what is the service offered here and which rules you are to follow. Not that you don't know, but to show him that gaijin aren't just all dirty pigs...Just wondering if anyone have any updates on Hadakano Ousama? Sorry for reviving such a old post.

Gakkui
11-26-14, 05:08
Love it is. I feel the girl I am seeing at Tobita has developed strong feelings for me. She wishes to see me here in Korea. Lets see how it goes. She tells me how much she loves me so I am going to pursue what I feel is right. I want to hear others love stories and how it played out for you guys. This girl is just absolutely amazing.

OldAsiaHand
11-30-14, 18:46
I have been going to Tobita for several years now every time I visit Osaka (3-4 times per year). It seems that the rejection rate has decreased over this time and more of the girls accept gaijin now. That said, I feel the rejection rate is still much higher than the dozo rate.

Is it me? I am a 60 yo, tall, overweight, bald, gaijin and speak only a few words of Japanese. .

I always dress presentable and walk by the shops with a smile and a nod.

I am curious what sort of acceptance rates others are getting and open to any suggestions how to increase the hit rate.

OAH.

Gakkui
12-01-14, 06:11
I have been going to Tobita for several years now every time I visit Osaka (3-4 times per year). It seems that the rejection rate has decreased over this time and more of the girls accept gaijin now. That said, I feel the rejection rate is still much higher than the dozo rate.

Is it me? I am a 60 yo, tall, overweight, bald, gaijin and speak only a few words of Japanese. .

I always dress presentable and walk by the shops with a smile and a nod.

I am curious what sort of acceptance rates others are getting and open to any suggestions how to increase the hit rate.

OAH.Yes it maybe your age and appearance. I don't see many old men mongering there and not many foreigners. Mostly young Japanese men. You said your are 60 years. You are. Old enough to be my father. Yikes. Maybe being an old gaijin is the sole reason for rejection. I am a non Japanese Asian foreigner and my acceptance rate is 100 percent. It may be the fact that I am a well dressed young tall handsome Korean guy. The mamasans and the girls are literally begging me to come into their shops but I chose to stick with my regular. Appearance wise I look very Japanese but once I open my mouth I tell them I am Korean and they seem to be very receptive regardless of my nationality. Getting accepted is not a problem for me whatsoever I just wish I had more $$.

Nitr0
12-02-14, 02:06
I have been going to Tobita for several years now every time I visit Osaka (3-4 times per year). It seems that the rejection rate has decreased over this time and more of the girls accept gaijin now. That said, I feel the rejection rate is still much higher than the dozo rate.

Is it me? I am a 60 yo, tall, overweight, bald, gaijin and speak only a few words of Japanese. .

I always dress presentable and walk by the shops with a smile and a nod.

I am curious what sort of acceptance rates others are getting and open to any suggestions how to increase the hit rate.

OAH.I'm a white guy who is half your age, slim, and has a full head of hair. I would say my douzo rate is around 80%. One time I was most attracted to a girl at a shop where I did not get a douzo from theMama-san. I approached the shop and said (in Japanese of course), "I have lived in Japan for eight years and speak Japanese without issue, is it OK if I enter your shop?" She replied that given my appearance she was worried that maybe I didn't speak Japanese, but since I did it was no problem and I was welcome at her shop.

IAmHereForYou1
12-02-14, 13:42
I'm a white guy who is half your age, slim, and has a full head of hair. I would say my douzo rate is around 80%. One time I was most attracted to a girl at a shop where I did not get a douzo from theMama-san. I approached the shop and said (in Japanese of course), "I have lived in Japan for eight years and speak Japanese without issue, is it OK if I enter your shop?" She replied that given my appearance she was worried that maybe I didn't speak Japanese, but since I did it was no problem and I was welcome at her shop.Hi,

I will be visiting Osaka during this week, where is the best place for me to get entry without Japanese! Any help will be greatly appreciated!

CodeX
12-03-14, 18:25
Hi,

I will be visiting Osaka during this week, where is the best place for me to get entry without Japanese! Any help will be greatly appreciated!Club Amour in Namba is your best bet. No FS.

A small trip to Fukuhara in Kobe will be worth your time.

Go during the day and walk around, the places that will accept you will call out to you.

Expect to pay ₯10,000-₯20,000 for average older girls and double that for pretty girls.

The stunning ones you are probably thinking off run 3 x that price.

Bubba999
12-27-14, 11:02
Thanks to previous posters (Night Guy K and AirNest) I made my way to Matsushima at about 5 pm on a cold Saturday in late December. At that time I was almost the only guy walking around but there were 2 or 3 vans cruising. Subway to Kujo, Exit 6 and a 5 min walk brought me to the center of the action. However, I got a lot less invites than I did at Tobita (60 year old well presented white guy).

Can't add much to previous reports. 15,000 for 30 minutes (20,000 for 40), shower, nicer room compared to Tobita. By chance the girl I eventually chose had gone to school in San Francisco for a couple of years and spoke great English. She told me that they see very few gaijin apart from Korean and Chinese. She was 31, slim and quite pretty with only a little fat round the middle. Service was good, though clearly the standard here is that the girl is in control and so it was similar to previous experiences at Tobita. In summary: good but not sensational.

Walking back to Kujo I came across a Harley Davidson Bar (The Panheads Heaven Saloon) run by a Japanese guy who had lived in New York. Some nice 1957-1962 Harleys parked out front. Friendly atmosphere inside and it felt like a roadhouse in Arizona (if I had ever been to Arizona!) Had a beer and great burger. Definitely recommend this place before or after your other activities in the area!

〒550-0027 1-13-3, Kujo, Nishi-ku, Osaka-shi, Osaka.

Bubba999
12-27-14, 11:10
Has anyone visited Shinodayama-shinchi? I hear stories from guys in bars that sound too good to be true and am happy to go and see what happens but be interested to hear other experiences.

Cheers.

Gakkui
12-31-14, 13:25
Has anybody fallen with a girl in Tobita? Am I the only one? Share some interesting love stories. I feel that love in Tobita is real. Night guy air nest like to hear your whereabouts.

Gakkui
12-31-14, 13:33
Why is that there so many Japanese guys mongering in Tobita than other red light districts in Japan?

Homer69
01-01-15, 03:44
I think most guys here are like Charlie Sheen.

Charlie Sheen once said on the topic of prostitutes: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave. ".


Has anybody fallen with a girl in Tobita? Am I the only one? Share some interesting love stories. I feel that love in Tobita is real. Night guy air nest like to hear your whereabouts.

Ralph Kramden
01-01-15, 07:51
Has anybody fallen with a girl in Tobita? Am I the only one? Share some interesting love stories. I feel that love in Tobita is real. Night guy air nest like to hear your whereabouts.I have never fallen for a girl from Tobita but with many other P4 P girls in many locations. However for only as long to complete a love filled session. And they will fall you for you too, time and time again as long as the cash keeps coming (no pun intended).

Gakkui
01-01-15, 16:12
What if its not all about sex. Developing strong feelings for her emotionally and intimately. I do feel like I am charlie sheen in a sense indulging. In this hobby. But yeah. I can't get off her my mind. Frustrating frustrating situation.

Ralph Kramden
01-02-15, 01:46
What if its not all about sex. Developing strong feelings for her emotionally and intimately. I do feel like I am charlie sheen in a sense indulging. In this hobby. But yeah. I can't get off her my mind. Frustrating frustrating situation.Then ask her out for a legitimate date and you will find out how she feels about you right away, which I suspect is strictly sex for payment. Nothing more, nothing less.

Gakkui
01-02-15, 15:15
You do have a point Ralph. I should definitely ask her out to find out her true attentions. But it won't be easy. Its better to know now than asking for answers in this forum. I would really like to spend some leisure time with her outside of Tobita. That's for sure.

Gakkui
01-03-15, 14:33
The downside of Tobita is that its do damm packed. Especially during the weekends and weekdays. I wonder how many guys they service on a given day? I do have a special thing for this girl in Tobita but it kinda turns me off in some. Way? Do you guys agree?

Ralph Kramden
01-03-15, 14:49
I recently had a long term professional sex relationship with a Nepali Japanese language student who sucked cock on the side in an established business. We became very friendly, FB friends and even had a dinner date. Still she wouldn't service me outside the storefront. I was perplexed when she gave her pussy away free to another Nepali guy while claiming she was lonely, while I would have paid her well and probably given a lot better ride. She has left the establishment, needs extra money for living and we still stay in contact. But in recent conversations she is only interested in providing lip service instead of earning even more cash for what amounts to me paying her to give her a good roll in the hay. I have moved on to another establishment and don't chase her.

My point is that if you start with a working girl as her customer then it is highly unlikely she will ever view you as anything else, especially if she is young, foot loose and fancy free.

I suspect you would have to shower her with expensive presents to really get her attention. It is not worth it. I recommend you move on to the next one because the Tobita sea is full of more like her. If she was truly interested in you, she would have signaled you by now.

OsakaHunter
01-04-15, 13:09
Hi,

Please guide me to find some Korean erotic massage parlours in Himeji.

Naniwan
01-05-15, 01:44
I used to see a Hotel Health girl a lot outside of her shop and also after she quit she would still "freelance" for me at cheaper rates but it was always strictly business. She even went as far as to tell me her real name, e-mail etc. I moved jobs and ended up losing contact. Wish I could find her again, the GFE was amazing!

I have to agree with Ralph also. If the money is still coming then she is always going to show interest. If you've got friendly with her then you're a customer she would rather see over some random Japanese dude, for sure and it's probably easier to brush someone off as saying "you don't know her" etc since you've fallen for her but the real test is asking her out for a date and seeing where that goes if she accepts.

My other concern is you said you barebacked her. That is a dangerous game, and I can speak first hand that STIs are not fun.

I would say Tobita is just business; a bit of fun. You have to remember why she is there in the first place as well but still, go for it but don't be afraid of her knocking you back too.

Gakkui
01-05-15, 03:44
The problem is that I live in Korea so its its hard to see her regularly as I like. And plus there's the language barrier. I don't even fancy her with gifts. I am a frugal bastard so visiting Japan sets me back alot of money. But she's very very friendly and to me. Are all Japanese girls. Like this? They sure. Know how to treat a man right. Even I wanted to extend my time with her. She always checks up with me if its OK. She knows I don't have much money on me because I only do the shortest time with her but its been great. She is probably the cutest and prettiest girl not in Tobita but all of Japan. I have banged Korean models and pretty girls but they sure can't compare with her. I tell her how much I love her and she doesn't feel uncomfortable or anything. She looks at me with her love dazed eyes. She just replies back I love you too. And she recently told me how good it feels for her too when we make love even though I have a small size. I wanted to share because I can't discuss this with my close friends. I don't even like to pay for sex because it breaks my ego. But to my surprise I have been visiting Japan regularly ever since the first day I met her.

So I have been craving her and always thinking about her. I never felt so obsessed with her in my entire life.

The service is phenomenal. I guess that's what keeps coming back. And when I visited her shop recently. The obasan told her I was waiting and I could hear over excitement and joy from her part. I feel like she's my match made in heaven kind of thing. My sole purpose in visiting Japan is seeing only her. I know how pathetic it sounds but its true. She thinks I am only here. On a business trip which is not the case.

Its hard to pick up the Japanese language and plus she speaks alot to me in Japanese in which I had a hard time understanding. Yeah I barebacked her many times, and I know that Japan's STD rate is small compared to other.

And Japanese girls are more aware of safe sex since most sex establishments refuse foreigners. They are very strict with the Japanese rule here in Japan.

PyWasHere
01-08-15, 01:50
The problem is that I live in Korea so its its hard to see her regularly as I like. And plus there's the language barrier. I don't even fancy her with gifts. I am a frugal bastard so visiting Japan sets me back alot of money. But she's very very friendly and to me. Are all Japanese girls. Like this? They sure. Know how to treat a man right. Even I wanted to extend my time with her. She always checks up with me if its OK. She knows I don't have much money on me because I only do the shortest time with her but its been great. She is probably the cutest and prettiest girl not in Tobita but all of Japan. I have banged Korean models and pretty girls but they sure can't compare with her. I tell her how much I love her and she doesn't feel uncomfortable or anything. She looks at me with her love dazed eyes. She just replies back I love you too. And she recently told me how good it feels for her too when we make love even though I have a small size. I wanted to share because I can't discuss this with my close friends. I don't even like to pay for sex because it breaks my ego. But to my surprise I have been visiting Japan regularly ever since the first day I met her.

So I have been craving her and always thinking about her. I never felt so obsessed with her in my entire life.

The service is phenomenal...Hey there,

If you really want to know the truth. Perhaps you could private message me which shop is it. I live very near Tobira Shinchi and I speak fluent Japanese. I can easily test her out to see if she really just do it for you or just the same for everyone. However, I will only consider if I think she is my type LOL.

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Naniwan
01-09-15, 07:00
Yeah I barebacked her many times, and I know that Japan's STD rate is small compared to other.

And Japanese girls are more aware of safe sex since most sex establishments refuse foreigners. They are very strict with the Japanese rule here in Japan.Just get tested regularly. Not to mock but saying Japanese girls are more aware of safe sex is absolutely ridiculous. It's the complete opposite! For the longest time Japanese considered HIV / AIDS to be a foreigner disease only during the 90's early 2000's and assumed unprotected sex with other Japanese was always safe! How does refusing foreigners make it safer? Japanese men in particular will rarely ever get tested. In the 20+ years I've been here it's never shown signs of improving either. It begs the question if she let you do her raw, does she does it for other punters? Just be safe OK. Sucks to say but I've picked up STIs twice here from Japanese girls and 1 time only knew because I would get tested regularly; mostly STIs are asymptomatic.

Regarding your girl; you have to just dive in and find out and be prepared to move to Japan, learn the language etc. Not to dissuade you either but I have seen this situation quite a few times and it often ends up going nowhere even if it gets started. Even more common situ with Thai Bargirls etc.

Gakkui
01-10-15, 03:03
Yeah I know having a relationship with a sex worker leads to nowhere, that's why I am asking if it is worth it. I am just curious any mongers in Japan who has a similar experience as mines. But I have had successful relationships with sex workers in the past. But this one, I can't get my. Mind off of her. I just don't know how it goes here because of the language barrier. But I am very happy to be her as a customer and maybe a special customer. ? I have heard most girls in Tobita do CBJ and condom full service since they see most customers in a day so I am pretty sure they practice safe sex. Tobita will shut down if there are sexual diseases amongst the girls. AIDS rate in Korea and Japan are pretty rare compared to countries like Africa and southeast Asia so I am not that concerned. I do get tested every year so I always come up clean. I know how busy it gets during prime peak hours so sometimes it deters me away from the place but she got to make a living somehow. I guess she likes it when I cum inside her. Maybe she feels attached to me. I dunno but service is always phenomenal. But I know she cares for me alot. I feel like she's a nurturing figure to me like a girlfriend or wife. So somehow its a overall good experience. Just didn't expect these kind of emotions and feelings will hit me this deep.

Ralph Kramden
01-10-15, 17:44
Yeah I know having a relationship with a sex worker leads to nowhere, that's why I am asking if it is worth it. I am just curious any mongers in Japan who has a similar experience as mines. But I have had successful relationships with sex workers in the past. But this one, I can't get my. Mind off of her. I just don't know how it goes here because of the language barrier. But I am very happy to be her as a customer and maybe a special customer. ? I have heard most girls in Tobita do CBJ and condom full service since they see most customers in a day so I am pretty sure they practice safe sex. Tobita will shut down if there are sexual diseases amongst the girls. AIDS rate in Korea and Japan are pretty rare compared to countries like Africa and southeast Asia so I am not that concerned. I do get tested every year so I always come up clean. I know how busy it gets during prime peak hours so sometimes it deters me away from the place but she got to make a living somehow. I guess she likes it when I cum inside her. Maybe she feels attached to me. I dunno but service is always phenomenal. But I know she cares for me alot. I feel like she's a nurturing figure to me like a girlfriend or wife. So somehow its a overall good experience. Just didn't expect these kind of emotions and feelings will hit me this deep.I came to the conclusion a couple of posts ago that you are nothing but full of shit and are only imagining this situation in your child-like surreal dreams. Please share your fictitious nonsense on another thread.

Homer69
01-10-15, 21:57
It took you that long?


I came to the conclusion a couple of posts ago that you are nothing but full of shit and are only imagining this situation in your child-like surreal dreams. Please share your fictitious nonsense on another thread.

Ralph Kramden
01-11-15, 12:55
It took you that long?If you know so much Homer why didn't you out him?

CodeX
01-11-15, 15:56
If you know so much Homer why didn't you out him?His stories make a good movie.

Perhaps he should call it "Pretty Lady" or "Memoirs of a Tobita girl"?

Gakkui
01-12-15, 02:46
Memoirs of a Tobita girl is a great title for my story. Wow. I might write a book about my journey. True story not fictitious. No need to be jealous Ralph.

Homer69
01-12-15, 07:40
I did. When I quoted Charlie Sheen and he had no clue what it meant I realized this is some sort of child or imposter trying to get off on fantasies. I think his response was quite clear.


If you know so much Homer why didn't you out him?

Runon99
01-12-15, 09:38
This report is about 7 months overdue, so I might be a little hazy on my recollections, but I will be returning to Osaka in February so I've been revisiting my memories of my trip there last May. I did some (but not enough) research on this board before I got there. For reference, I am a 40-ish white American with no Japanese language skills and this was my first visit to Japan.

I was staying in Umeda, and on my first evening in town I tried to go to the Club Queen blowjob bar there. I found the address from their website and was quite disappointed when the gentleman at the door politely said "Japanese only" to me. I gave him a polite half-smile and accepting nod and turned around and left. I'd thought Queen was going to be foreigner-friendly, but I must have read about the branch down by Tennogi Station, which I never attempted to find. If that one is actually foreigner friendly and if anyone has tips on how to get there from the station, I'd like to try it out in February.

I had no plan be in mind, but it looked like I was already in the middle of the Umeda entertainment district, so I took a long walk around and just checked things out. A few places looked intriguing but none of the black-suited touts out front acknowledged me or beckoned me in, so I didn't even try any. Eventually I just went to a massage place on a high floor of a narrow building on one of the main streets that borders that entertainment district. The gentleman at the desk was very welcoming and I got set up with a pretty 30-something Taiwanese girl who gave me a nice, long, teasing massage (after I'd showered and put on their teeny black briefs from a plastic bag) and then eventually a topless handjob with roaming privileges. She and the guy both implored me to return. Maybe I will if I feel like another massage.

On another night I checked out Club Amour. No problem being a foreigner once I verbally assured the front desk guy that I understood it was No Sex. I can't remember which course I chose, but probably something pretty basic and around 30 or 40 minutes. I picked a hot looking gal from the pictures on the wall and waiting about 5 minutes. The actual girl looking nothing like the picture, but she was cute in a schoolgirl-next-door way, so I wasn't disappointed. And yes, she was dressed like a schoolgirl. She could have passed for 18 but she was probably a few years older. She might have said she was 21? I can't remember.

We had a nice time, first a bath together and tooth brushing, then she set up an air mattress on the floor and made up the nuru goop, then the body slides, rimming (I was letting her do her complete script, so I didn't stop her, but the rimming went on longer than I wanted, since I'm not really into that), then a BBBJ / HJ combo until I was done. I can't remember if we ever used the bed in the room for anything, but there was one. Then she put me back in the bath while she cleaned up the mattress and maybe she joined me again. Then I got dressed and she led me to the elevator. Her English wasn't great, but as we parted she said in a very sweet voice, "I miss you. " I plan to go back to Club Amour for a more extensive course and maybe two girls.

I saw a bunch of other places in the area near Amour that looked intriguing, especially one that had a picture of a sexy secretary and stuff on that said "Welcome to real sexual harassment office" but I didn't try to go in.

The next night I was wandering around Umeda, kind of on the other side of a main street from the entertainment district. It's a little hard to explain where I'm talking about, but if you use google maps to find Club Quattro Umeda (rock club in a high rise) and walk around the side / back streets from that building, you'll see a few love hotels. In that area I was approached by a few different touts for sex. I accepted the offer from one woman (I forget how much, but I think around Y15,000) and she led me down a couple streets and into a building, up a couple floors and then knocked on a door and chatted a bit with the person inside (I think I heard her say gaijin, so she was probably confirming that it was okay), then I went into a room with what I would describe as small little sex cubicles. I think my girl was again from Taiwan and was around 35 but was still decent. She led me to a little shower, then back to the little cublice (I think it just had a tatami mat, no bed) and got to work. Nothing outstanding, but it all worked and I was mostly doing it for the field research and the variety of experience.

My last Osaka experience, as I recall, was something very similar, but closer to Namba. I read on here that you get off at a particular metro stop (I forget, but near Namba), cross the river, and start walking towards a certain street and you will be propositioned by madams. It worked just as expected, but the first madam I saw was sooner than expected. The experience itself was pretty similar to the one in Umeda (elevator to a dark room with sex cubicles) and afterwards I'd wished I had tried something else instead.

That's pretty much it for my first visit to Osaka. On this next one, I definitely want to visit Tobita and I would like to visit a blowjob bar like Club Queen in Tennogi (help me find it, please) or another one if people have any foreigner-friendly recommendations. If there's any other accessible category of experience there that I didn't mention and anyone would like to share, I'm all ears. I might be a little bolder about walking into intriguing places next time, but I know to smile and quickly leave if they say "Japanese only" and I will do my best not to leave a bad impression anywhere. Is there anything especially interesting / different (and foreigner friendly) in either Kyoto or Kobe?

Thanks for reading and I hope someone finds it helpful, if not interesting.

Ralph Kramden
01-12-15, 11:54
Memoirs of a Tobita girl is a great title for my story. Wow. I might write a book about my journey. True story not fictitious. No need to be jealous Ralph.Jealous of someone who claims to travel from South Korea to Osaka in order to have 20 minutes of bareback sex and a platonic relationship with a prostitute? No one would ever pay money for that nonsense.

Gakkui
01-12-15, 13:12
Jealous of someone who claims to travel from South Korea to Osaka in order to have 20 minutes of bareback sex and a platonic relationship with a prostitute? No one would ever pay money for that nonsense.Who would want to go to an AIDs infested country like thailand? From reading your posts you previous posts you go to the most filthiest place on this planet. Yes. I mean ugly southeast asian girls. That place is crawled with shit. Can't stand being in that place. . can't even compare with beauty standards of japanese girls. Do you live in Japan? Do girls there find you attractive there? I guess not. You shag any girl with a skirt. Maybe ladyboys or trannies? I would not go to a disease ridden countries like thailand for cheap sex. Hell no. I would. Call myself crazy if I did. And most of those thai hookers are ugly as hell and who would go there to fuck nasty ugly southeast asian girls anyways. . I guess they are friendly and more welcoming to gaijins right?

Gakkui
01-12-15, 13:16
I did. When I quoted Charlie Sheen and he had no clue what it meant I realized this is some sort of child or imposter trying to get off on fantasies. I think his response was quite clear.Charlie sheen is a crack addict and a sex addict, bipolar.

Gakkui
01-12-15, 13:39
Hey there,

If you really want to know the truth. Perhaps you could private message me which shop is it. I live very near Tobira Shinchi and I speak fluent Japanese. I can easily test her out to see if she really just do it for you or just the same for everyone. However, I will only consider if I think she is my type LOL.

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JacksonNo. Its a private matter. I don't want to share her shop number or name because she's that special. Why don't you try one of the girls that fits your type and share your experiences would ya?

Nitr0
01-14-15, 06:11
Just get tested regularly. Not to mock but saying Japanese girls are more aware of safe sex is absolutely ridiculous. It's the complete opposite! For the longest time Japanese considered HIV / AIDS to be a foreigner disease only during the 90's early 2000's and assumed unprotected sex with other Japanese was always safe! How does refusing foreigners make it safer? Japanese men in particular will rarely ever get tested. In the 20+ years I've been here it's never shown signs of improving either. It begs the question if she let you do her raw, does she does it for other punters? Just be safe OK. Sucks to say but I've picked up STIs twice here from Japanese girls and 1 time only knew because I would get tested regularly; mostly STIs are asymptomatic.Does anyone have recommendations for a good clinic in Kansai to get discreetly / anonymously tested at?

I'm married so it would be an issue if the results are mailed to my house, etc. I always use a condom for FS both with P4P girls and one-night stand girls I pick up at bars, etc. However, I have received a lot of BBBJs. I don't have any symptoms but as Naniwan notes many STDs can be asymptomatic, so testing would not hurt.

Dendo
01-14-15, 07:37
No. Its a private matter. I don't want to share her shop number or name because she's that special. Why don't you try one of the girls that fits your type and share your experiences would ya?Aw, come on., it's not like she's sitting there chastely waiting for your return. She's probably servicing a dozen guys each night, and if she's not and you really care about her, you should be doing her a favor by sending more business her way.

CodeX
01-14-15, 17:00
Aw, come on., it's not like she's sitting there chastely waiting for your return. She's probably servicing a dozen guys each night, and if she's not and you really care about her, you should be doing her a favor by sending more business her way.Pywashere out of the goodness of his own heart offered to spend his own hard earned money to try and discover whether this girl was just leading him along or weather she may possibly be in love with him privately.

I am willing to do the same.

Naniwan
01-15-15, 01:28
Does anyone have recommendations for a good clinic in Kansai to get discreetly / anonymously tested at?

I'm married so it would be an issue if the results are mailed to my house, etc. I always use a condom for FS both with P4P girls and one-night stand girls I pick up at bars, etc. However, I have received a lot of BBBJs. I don't have any symptoms but as Naniwan notes many STDs can be asymptomatic, so testing would not hurt.I'm also married but don't worry about things being mailed. You HAVE to receive results in person anyway since they might have to deal with someone that has a more serious STD.

I used to go here: http://www.stellamate-clinic.org/ it's in Umeda and ironically right next to the hotel health strip haha.

But there is a fee but you get the results much quicker (sometimes within an hour). There are regular free tests but results can take a week or so. HIV / AIDS tests can be expensive so I would do a free one once in a while. I picked up STIs from girls that ended up doing sumata without a condom and without even asking X_X one time I ended up inside a girl by accident and boom, a few weeks later I had chlamydia. Kinda put me off mongering for a while.

Here's the site for free testing:

http://www.hivkensa.com/

It's never worth getting stressed over that kind of thing but just making sure you're clean once in a while is worth it. Remember we're all potential banging the same chicks!

Ralph Kramden
01-15-15, 15:02
Aw, come on., it's not like she's sitting there chastely waiting for your return. She's probably servicing a dozen guys each night, and if she's not and you really care about her, you should be doing her a favor by sending more business her way.Come on Dendo be a sport. Don't be so harshly realistic and let the dreamer boy live in his fantasy world. We all know she has thoughts only of her lover Gakkui while her cream puff is being pounded by that dozen or so each night.

Nongpagba
01-15-15, 22:33
Having read about one year back, it looks that Kyoto is a dead end for mongering. Will stay 2 months in Kyoto and even the reports on Osaka are not really enticing: $ 150 for 20 minutes? Maybe I look rather for cheap flights to Hong Kong. Please correct me, if I'm wrong.

Nitr0
01-16-15, 00:50
I'm also married but don't worry about things being mailed. You HAVE to receive results in person anyway since they might have to deal with someone that has a more serious STD.

I used to go here: http://www.stellamate-clinic.org/ it's in Umeda and ironically right next to the hotel health strip haha.

But there is a fee but you get the results much quicker (sometimes within an hour). There are regular free tests but results can take a week or so. HIV / AIDS tests can be expensive so I would do a free one once in a while. I picked up STIs from girls that ended up doing sumata without a condom and without even asking X_X one time I ended up inside a girl by accident and boom, a few weeks later I had chlamydia. Kinda put me off mongering for a while.

Here's the site for free testing:

http://www.hivkensa.com/

It's never worth getting stressed over that kind of thing but just making sure you're clean once in a while is worth it. Remember we're all potential banging the same chicks!Naniwan,

Thanks for the info. It is much appreciated. I will head to Stellamate when my schedule allows.

Gakkui
01-16-15, 02:48
Come on Dendo be a sport. Don't be so harshly realistic and let the dreamer boy live in his fantasy world. We all know she has thoughts only of her lover Gakkui while her cream puff is being pounded by that dozen or so each night.Come on Ralph. You know how more filthy southeast Asian girls cream puffs are don't you? Aids stds capital of the world. Bangkok. Hahahh at least the Japanese are more selective and picky with their customers.

Gakkui
01-16-15, 03:04
Come on Dendo be a sport. Don't be so harshly realistic and let the dreamer boy live in his fantasy world. We all know she has thoughts only of her lover Gakkui while her cream puff is being pounded by that dozen or so each night.Thailand has the highest prevalence of HIV and AIDs in Asia. Not the world. That would be Africa.

Ralph Kramden
01-16-15, 08:29
Come on Ralph. You know how more filthy southeast Asian girls cream puffs are don't you? Aids stds capital of the world. Bangkok. Hahahh at least the Japanese are more selective and picky with their customers.And only fools like you go BB with a prostitute you are in love with that takes on up to a dozen or so guys every day. Got any trips from Soul to Osaka planned in the near future? I doubt it. I guess you will have to use other means.

Gakkui
01-16-15, 09:13
And only fools like you go BB with a prostitute you are in love with that takes on up to a dozen or so guys every day. Got any trips from Soul to Osaka planned in the near future? I doubt it. I guess you will have to use other means.Absolutely yeah! Japan has the best looking girls all of Asia. Period.

Naniwan
01-17-15, 08:08
Thailand has the highest prevalence of HIV and AIDs in Asia. Not the world. Says the dude who claims he's barebacking a Tobita working girl? If what you say is true, I would be worrying my tits off for 6 weeks waiting to have an HIV test. Whether it was Japan, Thailand, or where ever you pretend to live.

PyWasHere
01-17-15, 11:43
Pywashere out of the goodness of his own heart offered to spend his own hard earned money to try and discover whether this girl was just leading him along or weather she may possibly be in love with him privately.

I am willing to do the same.Yeah man I am more than willing to share LOL. And come on japanese girls are the best at leading people on. Especially when its non japanese since no other kinda of girls behave that way. If you rather believe in this fantasy then so be it but I always prefer the harsher truth. Anyway just to share my recent experience, if you turn left at the clock tower you will see the only shop at the end near the staircase. The main girl there has blond hair and she makes really cute and erotic voices. She even learn a few phrases from AV to get me turn on LOL but you will like it only if you understand japanese. She have quite a bum as well for you ass lovers.

Then if you continue along the next stretch, pass the little t junction you will see a shop with this kanji if I rmb correctly 夢24819;. Either a girl with big boobs and in priest uniform is sitting there OR a super cute loli type girl with sailor uniform is there. She have long black hair. She really knows how to ride a dick and prefers the guy to go hard on her instead of gentle LOL. Both of them gave really good GFE experiences.

AirNest
01-17-15, 16:55
Yeah man I am more than willing to share LOL. And come on japanese girls are the best at leading people on. Especially when its non japanese since no other kinda of girls behave that way. If you rather believe in this fantasy then so be it but I always prefer the harsher truth. Anyway just to share my recent experience, if you turn left at the clock tower you will see the only shop at the end near the staircase. The main girl there has blond hair and she makes really cute and erotic voices. She even learn a few phrases from AV to get me turn on LOL but you will like it only if you understand japanese. She have quite a bum as well for you ass lovers.

Then if you continue along the next stretch, pass the little t junction you will see a shop with this kanji if I rmb correctly 夢24819;. Either a girl with big boobs and in priest uniform is sitting there OR a super cute loli type girl with sailor uniform is there. She have long black hair. She really knows how to ride a dick and prefers the guy to go hard on her instead of gentle LOL. Both of them gave really good GFE experiences.Pywashere, Thanks for the info. I'm always on the lookout for Tobita girls who give good GFE. To return the favor, one of the shops I go to is "Rin", same kanji as "Suzu" in Suzuki, they always have hot girls in there. It's in the middle of the main street. Another one of my favorite is Ayami from Yoshiwara, this girl has the tightest pussy! She is a short girl with her hair fixed like a hostess, got good sized tits as well. She also has a bed matress instead of a regular futon. Always a great fuck and can take a good pounding. From the restroom going straight, it is the 3rd shop on your left if you count the first shop adjacent to the restroom. The shop's name is Yoshiwara.

Two months ago, I also found a Chinese FS place in Kyobashi that just charges 8,000 Yen for FS. I went there with my Japanese friend. We were a little drunk so I can't give the exact directions as it was given to my friend by his friend. Anyway the Mama-san told me that foreigners are welcome. It's 8,000 yen for 1 pop, so take your time. It took me 45 minutes to finish. The girls are decent looking but probably aged late 20's to mid 30's. The service was OK and price was really cheap for FS. To the best of my memories it's found on the street behind HUB Kyobashi, the same street where most of the BJ shops are. It's on the right side of the street behind HUB Kyobashi. It's in one of the buildings there that have some "Chinese Massage" places. There are actually 2 shops in both buildings, but later found out that these shops share the same girls. My friend also told me about a Deia cafe there somewhere but weren't able to check it out.

PyWasHere
01-19-15, 01:17
Pywashere, Thanks for the info. I'm always on the lookout for Tobita girls who give good GFE. To return the favor, one of the shops I go to is "Rin", same kanji as "Suzu" in Suzuki, they always have hot girls in there. It's in the middle of the main street. Another one of my favorite is Ayami from Yoshiwara, this girl has the tightest pussy! She is a short girl with her hair fixed like a hostess, got good sized tits as well. She also has a bed matress instead of a regular futon. Always a great fuck and can take a good pounding. From the restroom going straight, it is the 3rd shop on your left if you count the first shop adjacent to the restroom. The shop's name is Yoshiwara.

Two months ago, I also found a Chinese FS place in Kyobashi that just charges 8,000 Yen for FS. I went there with my Japanese friend. We were a little drunk so I can't give the exact directions as it was given to my friend by his friend. Anyway the Mama-san told me that foreigners are welcome. It's 8,000 yen for 1 pop, so take your time. It took me 45 minutes to finish. The girls are decent looking but probably aged late 20's to mid 30's. The service was OK and price was really cheap for FS. To the best of my memories it's found on the street behind HUB Kyobashi, the same street where most of the BJ shops are. It's on the right side of the street behind HUB Kyobashi. It's in one of the buildings there that have some "Chinese Massage" places. There are actually 2 shops in both buildings, but later found out that these shops share the same girls. My friend also told me about a Deia cafe there somewhere but weren't able to check it out.Wow thanks I would be sure to check it out. Let me know of your other finds. My types are sexy girls with big tits (google Minori Hatsune, Shiori Kamasaki, Sola aoi), Gyarus or super cute Loli. And no short hair hahaha. And there is one girl who used to be in kimono at the left side of a cross junction. She only works during weekend. Don't visit that although she might give that inviting smile. She don't even look at you in the face and her boobs were pushed up by the dress.

Then there is one near the area of the more mature women, right beside the patrol station on he right. She doesn't have the GFE experience but instead more of a man eater LOL. She even have tons of porno magazine which specialize in body types like herself. Talk about research haha.

Gachan
01-26-15, 14:25
Good evening,

New here. This thread has helped me in getting some in advance information about Tobita, so I thought I'd repay the favour.

Introduction: I have been in Kyoto for a few years but never actually pursued anyP4P. For one I was lucky to be busy enough with girlfriends, for another Kyoto seemed like a dead-end when you are a foreigner or do not speak Japanese. The Japanese price tag and lack of hon ban / FS was another reason not to pursue any further. Generally, I am not very interested in a hs / BJ for 7000 yen or whatever. I'd rather save the money in that case.

2 years later I felt eager to give a soapland / nuru at least once a try. This culminated in a spontaneous visit to a gaijin-friendly (internet search) soap land in Yokohama. My Japanese was weak but at least I could communicate everything in Japanese, and my money reserves after a few days in Yokohama & love hotels diminished. I paid about 14000 yen for something like 30-40 minutes, which back then really hurt my wallet. I was still not fully accustomed to the Japanese price tag. Price included extensive washing and a short spree of honban / FS, no nuru on the mattress. Good Japanese practice. I could not choose the girl. She was fat, but not ugly and at least Japanese. She also insisted on discussing my penis size before payment. She didn't lie, as despite her size she had the tightest vagina of any girl I have ever met. Oh well. Back then, I filed the whole thing of soapland, fat girl, tightness and the peculiar penis size discussion under "experience" with little incentive for a repetition.

Now: I have moved to Osaka. A Japanese friend once introduced my to Tobita, shin-imamiya, etc. We walked down a single street accompanied by a female Japanese friend in a kimono. She was terrified, people silent due to our female company, and my mind blown by the doll like appearances of some girls. My memory of that long night including that stroll has become hazy, but funnily enough I never forgot the name of the area. Now, living in Osaka I recently felt like looking for the infamous tobita shinchi again. I set out in a week-night, on a bicycle, I randomly cruised through tennoji-ku, then abeno-ku without clearly remembering where it was. As I stopped to ask google maps for help in a dirty shoutengai, funnily enough the pin for tobita landed almost exactly on my little blue pointer. There it was, 50 m ahead and one turn I was back in tobita. I must have been rather out of place on a bicycle but I was intrigued. I returned that night to go ee-what-you-get FS in Japan, finally.

Money: well, after living in Japan for a few years I can finally wrap my head around the japanese pricetag. It is a mixture of shouganai and having a bit more money than that time in yokohama. Personally I went with 30 min /21000 every time. The 15 or 20 min seem awfully short for the full procedure: sitdown, discuss, pay, drink tea, have a chat, undress, BJ / FS, have another chat, get dressed, receive your alibi lollipop and leave. At least, personally, I need a bit of a conversation to warm up with the woman. I cannot bust in and fuck them on sight. Another thing, I also find 30 min /21000 to have the best price / performance. Math doesn't lie, it is 700 yen a minute. The others 20/40 min are slightly above with 800/775 yen. Of course, I am aware it makes a difference if you spend 11000/16000/21000 for a fuck. As I said, I prefer to take it slow with a bit of conversation and I also do not want to appear like a cheapskate to the women, hence I position myself in the center of their available services.

Me: 30 year oldish Caucasian, slim and tall, hair, shaven / unshaven (depends). Every time I dressed in leather boots, fitting trousers, leather-jacket, gloves (winter after all). I wore a suiting trilby hat on two occasions which does seem to give you a douzo-rate-boost. Clothes make a man, as they say. Will try a suit, for research purposes.

Experiences:

First time was a Tuesday, roaming around from 9:30 pm taking a good look around, going slow, going along many streets several times, found a girl 10 pm. I had a cold just a bit earlier and wore a mask. That might be an interesting details, as subjectively that Tuesday I had the best douzo-rate. Douzo-rate was rather high, with a good 75 80% percent. Streets busy with big groups, too. A good handful girls reacted rather surprised at the sight of me, one mama-san called a Hello, a few mama-san obviously called me by accident.

In the end I chose a girl which had smiled at me at the very start, mama-san was Japanese-friendly, too. By japanese-friendly I mean, I didn't get a feeling she actually did desire me much, but as long as she lets me in, who cares. Girl was early twenties and a lot smaller than I had expected (I do not stare at them when walking by, just giving a short glance at the mama-san for confirmation, then the girl, for a closer look I just walk by three times or so). I'd also like to add, that I go by the impression as well as expression I get from the girls, secondly looks. If they seem into me as a customer (wide smile, a wave, a wink) I consider them, then I choose my favourite in the bunch that has shown a positive response. Anyway, the girl was ard 20, petite, very flexible, nice small tits, great nipples (don't most Japanese just have amazing nipples or is it me? A cute vagina (if that exists), makeup like an oil-painting and contacts. Not my thing, but the lights are thankfully dimmed, so what can I say? I didn't ask for anything, CBJ / FS, multiple position, talking mid sex killed my concentration. Standard procedure. As it was my first time in Tobita and first time in 2 years at a P4P I was super nervous and lost pressure after a while. We didn't finish, but the girl seemed very thankful I didn't put the blame on her. She thanked me for my manners, commented on how well dressed I was (hint: hat, if it suits your head shape). We fucked into the bell, and I really left at the last minute. Time did seem rather short for 30 minutes, I didn't stop it, but maybe my anxiety had time pass a good bit faster than I wished.

Second time was a Wednesday, went again the next night, roaming right after dusk from about 6 pm, no mask. Douzo-rate was great, almost the same as the night before. Hat-booster present. Less people, but not empty. I didn't really feel it that night and walked around endlessly. To be honest I had seen a girl the night before, which looked very much like a coworker in a workplace of mine. I felt intrigued to find out, if that was her or I'd be able to fuck a visual clone of her (preferably the latter). She wasn't there Wednesday night, and at work she didn't look at me at all, so now I am fucking puzzled. She wasn't there on Wednesday, so after contemplating about her likeness with a coworker and the odds of that I walked up and down the main-road about 4 times. I eventually singled out two girls, mama-san and girl were friendly towards me. She was 23, tits were advertise a lot bigger than the real thing, make like an oil-painting, contacts like a kitty (yellow, hey ), a bit chubby yet of outstanding and extraordinarily form skin-composition. Not sure if that is genetic luck or age, but it was impressive. Standard procedure of CBJ / FS, multiple positions. She did it for me. I am rather shy at the first time, but tend to butterfly for the most part, so almost every time I am with a new girl (this is for my own sake, so I do not get to fond of any girl in particular). But yeah, with that approach always meet them rather hesitantly as it is my first time with them, almost every time, I. E. Asking if doing a / be or see, touch here or there, sorry for the cold-ass hands but its winter, blabla. I asked her if I could come close to her, lean in. She agreed and I carefully sniffled around her neck in missionary which seemed to amuse her quite a but not in a negative way at all. She took it very positively and asked how I like her body odour. As I was done anyway, that lead into a little conversation, the bell rang right then seemingly early and we spent the last 5 minutes talking about this and that. Overall a smart girl, and a very keen observer. Not that it counts for men who just want to get their juices drained, but I appreciate keen observation abilities from these beautiful liars a lot.

Third time was a Sunday, roaming around from around 9:30 pm, finding something about 10 pm. It was freaking full, but at least I am starting to feel rather comfortable with being in Tobita in general and didn't take flight after this visit. Having a drink at the takoyaki-stand was good to get a bit more of a feel how calm and seemingly safe this area actually is. The age range for the Japanese men coming here also seems rather low (guys sitting on their mamacharis as it is a high-school we are at included). I saw a lot more young guys then elderly / middle-aged men that night. Interesting fact, the douzo-rate that night was maybe only at about 50%. Shit, I should worn the trilby hat again. No booster, and a busy night: shitty douzo-rate. Another viable fact, do not walk to close to other Japanese, it is much better when you have a bit of distance in-between you and national customers. I yet again passed the stall of my supposed coworker, but apart from her meiji-jidai-worthy mama-san (in age) the seat was empty. I passed another time without luck of any presence. I passed another stall a few times on smoking hot blvd (clock tower) where I realy start liking the looks of one girl. Funny fact ist, that she will shyly smile every time she spots me, then look to the side and check again if I am gone. Her mama-san does the same, but obviously without a smile and a whole lot less grace and elegance. Three times, same thing. I like a challenge. I will keep checking out her house again and again. If I meet her on a quiet night I will approach and inquire about foreigners. My guess is, that they assume I cannot speak any Japanese. I then went for a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), and on the way passed house rather off the main streets. The girl however was pretty, super-friendly, leaning over to continue to look at me and smiling far and wide, waving. Her mama-san was also friendly, not even japanese-friendly but greeted me warmly. As I said, professional liars, some are amazingly good at it. After the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) I gave the place another pass, same thing, she was older, but pretty. Big boobs, good skin. I passed, contemplated and waited for the Japanese to pass in their favour. Then I approached the house, greeted them and went in. Standard procedure. Not quite, BBBJ without me being able to object that surprise, FS with condom. She was rather noisy but said that is how she is, professional liars, never forget, never forget. The whole ordeal did seem like the previous visits in length, but when I was done we still had a lot of time left until the first bell rang. We sat down and simply chatted away for a long while. Despite her asking the usual, subtly offensive, gaijin-questions such as: can you drink green tea, wow your Japanese is amazing too, blalbla professional liars we actually had a very good conversation. It was so nice, I would pay her to learn Japanese. But obviously not 21000 yen for 30 minutes. No English teacher is getting that either, ha. Or are you?! I didn't dress until the second bell and when I came down the stairs also thanked the mam-san for such a friendly customer service provided by her girl. Regrettably, I didn't use a proper form of Japanese there (speaking to a prostitute like a good friend distorts the verb-endings ne) and might have come off a bit too direct.

That's it from me. Not as factual in terms of raw data, but a bit more about impressions and gut-feelings, I think. After all, I go there for that, a good feeling, fucking & talking. I have a never-ending interest about these women and their history. Not that everything you hear is great, I have left places very shaken. Professional liars or not, sometimes they seem to bust out a seeming truth of a back story that just blows your mind.

Gaijin: overall I must add, every single mama-san reacted positively at introducing myself in Japanese. Not name or anything, just saying Hello, is it okay to enter if I can speak Japanese put them at a lot of ease. The girls, apart from a hostess-like verbal-shower about my Japanese abilities (you know it, professional liars), they did exclaim they are glad to speak in Japanese to me. One mentioned she always struggles with foreigners, as she cannot speak English. None of them spoke Korean or Chinese, I have asked. Only one spoke English after a year abroad, however we never got to actually speak in English. All said, they do like foreign customers in general but are usually afraid of the language barrier (this was without any boasting, or compliments, so I guess there's some truth to it). One said she dislikes Chinese a lot, as they behaved rather rude and rough in her experience. Sorry, not my opinion, just passing o and what I was told. Another said she'd love to BE a foreigner (white Caucasian girl it meant, I assume), which I countered with wanting to be Japanese on Mondays, so I wouldn't be the tourist when I leave my home. This seemed to meet a lot of understanding and made the sex from her side an ounce more intimate. One has also been saying she likes fucking gaijin-customers, but she also showered me in so many compliments, that I wasn't sure at all, if it is true or not. - so, that being said, if you want to hit up Tobita regularly, Japanese seems to be a key-element for a better experience. Some are outright chatty and very intimate in their conversation, if they are understood. The trick, even for the fluent, is that no-one can see from your appearance what languages you are able to speak. I will look into speaking more with them at the entrance, however I haven't seen many Japanese yet actually talking at the door, it seems rather like you go in, discussions are done upstairs. So. Trial and error, a very expensive trial and error for 150+ houses. Haha.

Sorry for probably a million typos. Too long to read again.

Cheers!

Illegal
01-29-15, 06:19
Two months ago, I also found a Chinese FS place in Kyobashi that just charges 8,000 Yen for FS. I went there with my Japanese friend. We were a little drunk so I can't give the exact directions as it was given to my friend by his friend. Anyway the Mama-san told me that foreigners are welcome. It's 8,000 yen for 1 pop, so take your time. It took me 45 minutes to finish. The girls are decent looking but probably aged late 20's to mid 30's. The service was OK and price was really cheap for FS. To the best of my memories it's found on the street behind HUB Kyobashi, the same street where most of the BJ shops are. It's on the right side of the street behind HUB Kyobashi. It's in one of the buildings there that have some "Chinese Massage" places. There are actually 2 shops in both buildings, but later found out that these shops share the same girls. My friend also told me about a Deia cafe there somewhere but weren't able to check it out.Where are those BJ shops? Gaijin friendly?

Illegal
01-29-15, 06:33
I was staying in Umeda, and on my first evening in town I tried to go to the Club Queen blowjob bar there. I found the address from their website and was quite disappointed when the gentleman at the door politely said "Japanese only" to me. I gave him a polite half-smile and accepting nod and turned around and left. I'd thought Queen was going to be foreigner-friendly, but I must have read about the branch down by Tennogi Station, which I never attempted to find. If that one is actually foreigner friendly and if anyone has tips on how to get there from the station, I'd like to try it out in February.

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That's pretty much it for my first visit to Osaka. On this next one, I definitely want to visit Tobita and I would like to visit a blowjob bar like Club Queen in Tennogi (help me find it, please) or another one if people have any foreigner-friendly recommendations. If there's any other accessible category of experience there that I didn't mention and anyone would like to share, I'm all ears. I might be a little bolder about walking into intriguing places next time, but I know to smile and quickly leave if they say "Japanese only" and I will do my best not to leave a bad impression anywhere. Is there anything especially interesting / different (and foreigner friendly) in either Kyoto or Kobe?

Thanks for reading and I hope someone finds it helpful, if not interesting.I posted directions a number of pages back, but here are some more:

Club Queen Tennoji. Leave Kintetsu store / osakaabenobashi going south (midosuji line, exit 9, up escalator or into Kintetsu store and up escalator thru opposite side of store), see hoop dept store, turn left, second street on right (family mart on corner); or midosuji exit 4, follow blue kintetsu sign right, pass Kintetsu store underground on right, then pronto caffe on left, up stairs 50 m straight down alley, Club Queen sign in first lane on right.

PyWasHere
01-29-15, 20:24
Hi!

Does anyone here know which soapland in Kobe is gaijin friendly? I am Asian and can speak quite fluent Japanese. I usually can bypass all these places easily but I heard that soapland in Kobe are quite strict on the no gaijin rule and I even called one of the soapland to ask is it OK if I was half and the receptionist said no. So I was wondering perhaps anyone happen to know any good ones that have less security.

CodeX
01-30-15, 06:30
Hi!

Does anyone here know which soapland in Kobe is gaijin friendly? I am Asian and can speak quite fluent Japanese. I usually can bypass all these places easily but I heard that soapland in Kobe are quite strict on the no gaijin rule and I even called one of the soapland to ask is it OK if I was half and the receptionist said no. So I was wondering perhaps anyone happen to know any good ones that have less security.Walk around Fukuhara in Kobe.

They will invite you in if they accept your look.

Be careful as some have old or ugly but still charge a premium price.

I forget the name of the place but there is one goldmine that randomly invites me in. I guess it depends on who is working.

But the girls there are young and hot and 40 mins costs around ₯10,000.

Most of the other places charge around ₯20,000 for 40 minutes for decent looking girls.

A small tip, Ask to see the girl before you hand over your cash.

PyWasHere
01-30-15, 22:04
Walk around Fukuhara in Kobe.

They will invite you in if they accept your look.

Be careful as some have old or ugly but still charge a premium price.

I forget the name of the place but there is one goldmine that randomly invites me in. I guess it depends on who is working.

But the girls there are young and hot and 40 mins costs around 10,000.

Most of the other places charge around 20,000 for 40 minutes for decent looking girls.

A small tip, Ask to see the girl before you hand over your cash.When will you be going there again? Or perhaps you can show me the map of that goldmine place? I actually thought of calling for a reservation at this soapland http://pre-kobe.jp/. so it would be more difficult for them to reject me after I reached LOL. I know they do not accept gaijin cause I call and ask once. Is there like a certain area in Fukuhara that have better ones?

Sakaisuji
01-31-15, 09:17
I posted directions a number of pages back, but here are some more:

Club Queen Tennoji. Leave Kintetsu store / osakaabenobashi going south (midosuji line, exit 9, up escalator or into Kintetsu store and up escalator thru opposite side of store), see hoop dept store, turn left, second street on right (family mart on corner); or midosuji exit 4, follow blue kintetsu sign right, pass Kintetsu store underground on right, then pronto caffe on left, up stairs 50 m straight down alley, Club Queen sign in first lane on right.The doorman has changed there. It is still very foreign friendly. I went there a little while ago and got a tall overweigt woman with large breasts. I paid 7,500 yen for a.

Blowjob, but she doesn't make ANY effort at that. I had to ask for lube jelly and get her started on a handjob that felt great, but. I was pobably lucky.

What happened to the place in Kyoto near Kamishijo station? I tried to go there twice but told there were no girls available.

Dendo
01-31-15, 09:49
When will you be going there again? Or perhaps you can show me the map of that goldmine place? I actually thought of calling for a reservation at this soapland http://pre-kobe.jp/. so it would be more difficult for them to reject me after I reached LOL. I know they do not accept gaijin cause I call and ask once. Is there like a certain area in Fukuhara that have better ones?Asking if gaijin daijoubu is a huge mistake; the answer will almost always be no. As another poster said, just wander around Fukuhara and see if anyone invites you in. If one shop doesn't accept you there's probably one down the street that will. Go in the off hours when business is slow, don't have your heart set on one particular shop.

Kei11
01-31-15, 19:59
Hi!

Is there a place in Osaka or Kyoto where I could find a western woman? Any reply would be appreciated.

Thanks

PyWasHere
02-01-15, 07:57
Asking if gaijin daijoubu is a huge mistake; the answer will almost always be no. As another poster said, just wander around Fukuhara and see if anyone invites you in. If one shop doesn't accept you there's probably one down the street that will. Go in the off hours when business is slow, don't have your heart set on one particular shop.Yeah but I really hate the feeling of paying a lot for something that isn't good. I know some touts will try to lie because they know gaijin can't get in soapland. I just want to make my money worth but its difficult since you can't really see on the outside how are the girls like.

Illegal
02-03-15, 02:49
The doorman has changed there. It is still very foreign friendly. I went there a little while ago and got a tall overweigt woman with large breasts. I paid 7,500 yen for a.

Blowjob, but she doesn't make ANY effort at that. I had to ask for lube jelly and get her started on a handjob that felt great, but. I was pobably lucky.Did you get a name? That would be very helpful. I have been there a number of times over the years and had:

Manami. Now about 43, pretty overweight, easy conversation, knows the word deepthroat but don't know that she can really do it, but decent oral skills, seen 2-3 times.

Shinobu. Probably now late 30's / early 40's, okay size, large breasts, just okay oral skills and okay conversation.

Akane. Now about 44, fairly petite (couple extra pounds in belly maybe), cute smaller breasts, great oral skills and decent conversation, seen 3 times.

Sakaisuji
02-05-15, 01:43
Did you get a name? That would be very helpful. I have been there a number of times over the years and had:

Manami. Now about 43, pretty overweight, easy conversation, knows the word deepthroat but don't know that she can really do it, but decent oral skills, seen 2-3 times.

Shinobu. Probably now late 30's / early 40's, okay size, large breasts, just okay oral skills and okay conversation.

Akane. Now about 44, fairly petite (couple extra pounds in belly maybe), cute smaller breasts, great oral skills and decent conversation, seen 3 times.I'm sorry I don't remember the name. But it sounds like it could be Shinobu. If you went there last month I'd say it could be Shinobu. She was kind of tall with a large belly and a slowness about her. I went there last month.

It's a nice place. I wish that there were another place like that to visit in Osaka just for a little variety.

Sakaisuji
02-22-15, 11:18
Club Queen was closed today at about 5:00. Do they do that sometimes?
Or have they changed the hours?

OsakaHunter
03-01-15, 10:01
Please guide me to get a cheaper oil massage in Himeji.

Sakaisuji
03-01-15, 21:09
Club Queen was closed today at about 5:00. Do they do that sometimes?
Or have they changed the hours?It was closed again on Sunday. Has anyone been there on another day of the week. Also has anyone been to GirlSpy in Kyoto recently?

Sakaisuji
03-08-15, 11:21
It was closed again on Sunday. Has anyone been there on another day of the week. Also has anyone been to GirlSpy in Kyoto recently?Welll, it was closed AGAIN! If anyone is interested.

Runon99
03-09-15, 21:30
I posted directions a number of pages back, but here are some more:

Club Queen Tennoji. Leave Kintetsu store / osakaabenobashi going south (midosuji line, exit 9, up escalator or into Kintetsu store and up escalator thru opposite side of store), see hoop dept store, turn left, second street on right (family mart on corner); or midosuji exit 4, follow blue kintetsu sign right, pass Kintetsu store underground on right, then pronto caffe on left, up stairs 50 m straight down alley, Club Queen sign in first lane on right.Thanks, I followed these directions in early February and found it easily. There was one small wrinkle: I used the Midosuji line and followed the arrow to exit 9 and up the escalator. Once on the next level, the only exit signs I could find were for 7 and 8. Anyway, I took the one that puts you on that side street, saw Hoop dept. Store across the street and turned left, turned right on that second street (at the Family Mart) and found Club Queen. It was open, but the doorman signaled to come back -- I could hear a lot of noise, so it must have been pretty crowded. I walked away unsure whether he meant to come back in an hour or a day, so after milling around a couple shops, I asked for more details via Google Translate and confirmed that he meant to come back another night. He was gracious and apologetic. That first attempt wasn't a total loss, as I enjoyed the view from the top of Harukas 300, which is very close by.

I returned the next night and was ushered right in; this time I might have been the only customer there, so maybe there was some special event the previous night. After that, the experience wasn't so great. The girl who attended to me had pretty bad breath, which made it awkward when she tried to make out with me and even when she started to go down on me, as the odor wafted up from her face even when it was buried in my crotch. I wasn't able to finish because of it (I was also pretty exhausted, which didn't help) and eventually my time was up, which was okay.

I doubt I'll repeat there the next time I'm in Osaka, but I am grateful for the help in finding it and I'm glad I checked it out just for the experience. It's fun to visit exotic places like that and have those types of experiences.

Sakaisuji
03-27-15, 10:23
Anyone have a chance to check GirlSpy in Kyoto or Club Queen in Tennoji?

Are they still open and foreign friendly?

Metabo
03-30-15, 15:14
Does anyone know of any massage places in Osaka that end happily?

I'm looking for a good job on sore muscles and a handjob to cap things off.

Many of the street "massaj!" girls offer a fake version of this, but I'd prefer to go somewhere where the service is included rather than haggled for.

Detailed directions if you have them. Please and thank you.

Bushido2135
04-11-15, 22:26
Any good and reasonably priced nuru massage places in Osaka or Kyoto?

Happy ending is always a plus.

Country Counter
04-12-15, 05:43
Does anyone know of any massage places in Osaka that end happily?

I'm looking for a good job on sore muscles and a handjob to cap things off.

Many of the street "massaj!" girls offer a fake version of this, but I'd prefer to go somewhere where the service is included rather than haggled for.

Detailed directions if you have them. Please and thank you.One option is to call the Japan Escort Erotic Massage Club and have them deliver a girl. You can also meet the girl and go to a love hotel. It's not cheap, but it's guaranteed and foreigner friendly. They are in every big city in Japan. I've had good luck getting extras with girls here usually especially if you repeat with her and request her. The same group runs an delivery health service aimed at foreigners in Osaka and Tokyo, no intercourse (they say) but CBJ guaranteed with some girls giving BBBJ and / or rim.

Gakkui
04-13-15, 00:52
It's been a long time since I posted my last post. The girl I am seeing at Tobita We got very close indeed. I mean very close. I think she signaled interest in me the first day we met. We have been messaging each other everyday. We are planning on going on a date on her day off. But the problem is I have developed strong feelings for her like in a romantic sense. Has anybody dated a sex worker in Tobita?

Sakaisuji
04-14-15, 10:30
I passed by at about 4:30 and saw the doorman setting things up. So I guess it's still open. There is a sign in Japanese, Korean and English stating it's illegal to solicit prostitutes in the undergound shopping mall near Tennoji station.

Member #4311
04-22-15, 12:11
It's been a long time since I posted my last post. The girl I am seeing at Tobita We got very close indeed. I mean very close. I think she signaled interest in me the first day we met. We have been messaging each other everyday. We are planning on going on a date on her day off. But the problem is I have developed strong feelings for her like in a romantic sense. Has anybody dated a sex worker in Tobita?In the past people in this forum gave you a hard time for some comments you did about STDs. Let's please not comment on that issue again, or other unrelated issues if you want to receive advice, please. I'm only saying this not to bring the topic back, but to make you understand that I don't think people in this forum get annoyed by questions relating dating a sex worker — rather, it was the other stuff that bothered them.

I have dated a Tobita girl, but only once so far. My advice is that you better be extremely clear with her about your expectations, and also ask her directly about her expectations. Even if you are afraid to ask, my advice from experience is to ask, and to be very direct. I would even suggest asking her through messages once, and also meeting with her face to face and asking her the same questions.

Don't be demanding about asking for things, but be demanding about asking for the truth. For example, don't demand that she dates you frequently and for free, but demand that she tells you honestly whether or not she would like to date you.

Ask her if she has a boyfriend, or if she had a boyfriend recently. Ask her whether she is interested in romantic relationship or more serious dating. And finally, ask her if she has any real feelings towards you. The answers will vary on each case, so it's up to you and your specific circumstances to decide based on that information.

I've been told by a Tobita girl that they receive an insane amount of request to date and start romantic relationships from customers. They get used to them and with time develop a standard response to deal with them and turn them down (hopefully the customer will still keep coming, and if not at least if won't start stalking them or worse). It is quite rare that they will date a customer, but indeed sometimes they do. However, even those dates seem to be only a one time exception.

If the chances for a date are very low, then the chances for a second date, and beyond that dating frequently and starting a formal relationship are much lower. Order of magnitudes lower. Don't think of them as a natural transition ("if I date her once, then we can date again, and so on more times" rather, the opposite. If you date her once, it is going to become problematic for you two. You will like to date more with her (and thus see her less at Tobita), while she would probably prefer the opposite.

I don't like to make generalizations, but I think this one is likely to hold true. If a Tobita girl has been for a long time in the business, she has definitely created a barrier between her private life and her work. Any sort of intimacy you might think you have developed with her at Tobita doesn't transfer outside of it. It doesn't even register in their heads. I don't think this is something that customers can grasp, but try to imagine yourself in the situation of doing her work (several customers, every day, for several years), and you will understand that there is no way to avoid that (I mean, the total separation of private life from work).

You might recall things as very special, but she won't recall them that way. She will recall them as just work. I don't think it is intentional, or that they purposely lie, it is just an adaptation they develop in order to keep working and don't become confused by every customer proposing to them every month.

It is better that you recognize that you are up to start from zero if you begin dating her. Ask her very clearly if this is indeed the case, and what should the two of you do. Are you willing to start your way up from a friendship? If so, should you still see each other at Tobita, while also dating? Can she, and can you, separate both things and have a set of rules apart for Tobita and dating? Also, if you have received conflicting questions in the past to these sort of questions, ask her again to be clear this time.

I bet there are several questions pertaining only to her, as a Tobita girl, and that you have no bearing on them. As for the questions pertaining only to you, as a customer, the most important one is, are you up to keep spending money for seeing her at Tobita while things sort themselves out? It is a huge amount of money you will be spending. My advice, although it can go against your chances for a romantic relationship, is that you get the best value from the time you spent at Tobita and don't try to see it as a sort of investment for getting her to date you.

It is extremely complex. But let's say you succeed in dating her and even starting a romantic relationship. What are your expectations about the relationship? Do you imagine as short lived, or as a long term relationship? If you, being very honest with yourself, can only imagine it as something short lived, I cannot encourage you to keep spending money at one girl in Tobita if you are only doing it for your prospects of dating, and not the sessions themselves.

If you see the relationship as a long term relationship, then don't give up on it. Be very honest with yourself. Unless you want her in your life no matter what, then don't insist. This might include the prospect of you two dating but things not working out, in that case would you still see her as someone you would like retaining a lifelong friendship no matter what?

If not, then keep in mind that whatever are your chances of dating her, then there is the even more complex issue of the chances of things working out. Relationships rarely work out, even under ideal circumstances. In this case, you have almost all circumstances against you.

I wish you some good weather on your date.

Gakkui
04-23-15, 02:18
In the past people in this forum gave you a hard time for some comments you did about STDs. Let's please not comment on that issue again, or other unrelated issues if you want to receive advice, please. I'm only saying this not to bring the topic back, but to make you understand that I don't think people in this forum get annoyed by questions relating dating a sex worker rather, it was the other stuff that bothered them.

I have dated a Tobita girl, but only once so far. My advice is that you better be extremely clear with her about your expectations, and also ask her directly about her expectations. Even if you are afraid to ask, my advice from experience is to ask, and to be very direct. I would even suggest asking her through messages once, and also meeting with her face to face and asking her the same questions.

Don't be demanding about asking for things, but be demanding about asking for the truth. For example, don't demand that she dates you frequently and for free, but demand that she tells you honestly whether or not she would like to date you.

Ask her if she has a boyfriend, or if she had a boyfriend recently. Ask her whether she is interested in romantic relationship or more serious dating. And finally, ask her if she has any real feelings towards you. The answers will vary on each case, so it's up to you and your specific circumstances to decide based on that information...Thank you River4 for your advice regarding this matter. I have been looking for much needed answers on this matter.

Even though I was involved in a serious relationship with her. I don't think I will confine her doing the job. It seems much of a headache and a great deal of stress to me. I rather not put up with it. I can't think of her servicing other guys. It's a big turn off to me. I am a very jealous guy by the way. I don't want my girlfriend to fuck a dozen of guys each night. But it seems like she is very discreet about her personal work life. She doesn't openly talk about it. I don't want to interfere by asking too many questions. It's not like I can marry her and get her out of Tobita. I am no sugar daddy either. She doesn't seem like the gold digger type either. Maybe I was thinking too much with my dick than my head. I dunno. It's none of my business anyways. That's how I met her in the first place. We just have so much chemistry together despite the language barrier. We have been talking to each other all day and everyday except her work hours. But I can't fathom what she does in her work hours. I can't get that thought off my mind. But I try to ignore it much as possible, for her.

I think we both fell in love. I dunno what her circumstances is but I am also concerned about her well being too. This scenario just keeps me frustrated. Its just she's just a such a nice girl and all and I really like her. But the problem is she is a sex worker. How am I going to explain this to my friends and family. And for the date situation. She was the one who initiated to ask me out. I really tried to avoid the situation because I don't want to get weird stares from other dudes who might of fucked her as well. It's a frustrating situation but I really have developed strong feelings for her. Not just the sex. But emotional level to. I am hoping she will quit Tobita and find another job other than that work. I feel a little uncomfortable seeing her outside of work too. Complicated. Complicated. I honestly don't know what to do. That's why I am asking if others in this forum and how they felt about this situation. I think I found the answers I was looking for all. And its best not to get your feelings involved. I will wait and see.

MeatMan
04-24-15, 00:31
It's been a long time since I posted my last post. The girl I am seeing at Tobita We got very close indeed. I mean very close. I think she signaled interest in me the first day we met. We have been messaging each other everyday. We are planning on going on a date on her day off. But the problem is I have developed strong feelings for her like in a romantic sense. Has anybody dated a sex worker in Tobita?Ever heard the terminology: "you can't change a working girl into a housewife? Yeah, don't get jammed up with a sex worker!

Member #4311
04-24-15, 03:45
Ever heard the terminology: "you can't change a working girl into a housewife? Yeah, don't get jammed up with a sex worker!I won't disagree. But what does that say about us, customers, then? We cannot also change? Maybe that's also the case.


Thank you River4 for your advice regarding this matter. I have been looking for much needed answers on this matter.

Even though I was involved in a serious relationship with her. I don't think I will confine her doing the job. It seems much of a headache and a great deal of stress to me. I rather not put up with it. I can't think of her servicing other guys. It's a big turn off to me. I am a very jealous guy by the way. If that is the case is good that you are honest. Be brutally honest with yourself, but be kindly honest with her. You can tell her how you feel about her work, just do it kindly. Sex workers also know that is not easy dating them, many avoid it on purpose, she will understand you.

Being involved with a sex worker is a lot of stress. Just what anyone would expect, and nothing surprising. Yet, believe me, it will still caught you off guard, it is too much stress once you experience it personally. Jealous will be a problem, even if you weren't a jealous person already. Distrust is an even bigger problem in my opinion. And then there is the whole STDs, pimps, stalkers, money, and more problems.

Stress will take a heavy toll on you. It's surprising how girls endure this — the job itself is pretty tough, but all the other issues related to it is what make it so much stressful.


And for the date situation. She was the one who initiated to ask me out. I really tried to avoid the situation because I don't want to get weird stares from other dudes who might of fucked her as well. It's a frustrating situation but I really have developed strong feelings for her. Not just the sex. But emotional level to. I am hoping she will quit Tobita and find another job other than that work.I think it was the opposite, that you had asked her out. If she is the one who proposed it, you can still ask her what are her intentions about the date. Maybe she doesn't intend to make a big deal of it. Whether she has developed strong feelings for you, or is just a weaker attraction like chemistry, she must be aware that serious dating will be extremely difficult. Maybe she just wants to have fun one night. Go drinking, or to a karaoke.

Ask her if she wants to go out just occasionally, without compromises. It might be fun. Don't expect it to be very often. I also wouldn't make any moves to sleep with her on a first date, unless she gives you clear signs.

You can always continue things as they are just now. See her at Tobita, and text with her. I have heard of regular customers that see a girl for several years (although I doubt exclusively only one girl). You can continue seeing her as just a customer as long as sex is good. You can also stop seeing her. Don't think of yourself as a bad guy if you decide to end things. But be very gentle if you do. Talk with her. If she has been working for a long time, she will have had similar experiences in the past and understand.

On the other hand, if your feelings are very strong, also be honest with yourself. Don't convince yourself with your head about changing your feelings and taking a rational decision. Any kind of advice you will get from friends or people in this forum will be heavy on the rational side, not on the emotional. Is not necessarily 'good advice,' but rather 'good intended rational advice. ' My advice is that you don't ignore your feelings. If you walked away from her, would you later regret it very much? Do you feel it will haunt you for life? Would you feel it was a horrible mistake?

Whenever I feel lost about what to do, I ask myself those questions. Maybe the feelings you have are not enough for you to stick with her, and that is OK, it only is important that you are honest with yourself.

Illegal
04-30-15, 02:06
I posted directions a number of pages back, but here are some more:

Club Queen Tennoji. Leave Kintetsu store / osakaabenobashi going south (midosuji line, exit 9, up escalator or into Kintetsu store and up escalator thru opposite side of store), see hoop dept store, turn left, second street on right (family mart on corner); or midosuji exit 4, follow blue kintetsu sign right, pass Kintetsu store underground on right, then pronto caffe on left, up stairs 50 m straight down alley, Club Queen sign in first lane on right.Revision, midosuji exit 2, not if renumbered at some point or not, but not current exit 4 (which is poorly marked anyway), maybe revised due to the new building built above.

ProLoman
05-23-15, 22:58
Hi!

Can you guys give me some advice or even where to find info for Kyoto for a (ex) Japanese Guy? I can deal with Japanese site too, but I would prefer it in English.

Thanks!

Hatguy
05-24-15, 11:34
I have not posted in this forum for a long time. Mainly because some moron ruined a place a friend of mine found which was cheap by showing the girls pictures of them on the website.

I'm not here to go on about that. But I will say that was stupid.

I just went to a "Korean" este place near Dotonbori. It is literally on the other side of Midosuji from the road leading to the crab. There's a Yoshinoya on the corner and a Irish pub next to that. Walk up about 20 m and it's on the right hand side. Fifth floor.

You will need to speak some Japanese or Chinese there. It's NOT really English friendly in my opinion. I tried to speak it there and they were not understanding so I switched to Japanese.

There is a menu in the lobby place. I paid 15000 for an hour. Something like 12000 for 40 minutes was available too. Didn't look at other options.

My girl was extremely enthusiastic. I haven't had that for a long time. She went out of her way to take care of me. By that I mean I got two shots with the first being mish. Second BJ and HJ.

She did not rush me at all. In fact I was told I still had time. I did not really. Just very nice service.

I'm not giving her name as I learned the hard way doing that. No pms requesting that thanks.

I'm upping pics I took. Including biz card.

Ymmv! I do not take any responsibility for a lesser experience there. Once again. You need language skills!

http://goo.gl/maps/BUxHU

Illegal
06-12-15, 23:49
I have not posted in this forum for a long time. Mainly because some moron ruined a place a friend of mine found which was cheap by showing the girls pictures of them on the website.

I'm not here to go on about that. But I will say that was stupid.

I just went to a "Korean" este place near Dotonbori. It is literally on the other side of Midosuji from the road leading to the crab. There's a Yoshinoya on the corner and a Irish pub next to that. Walk up about 20 m and it's on the right hand side. Fifth floor.

You will need to speak some Japanese or Chinese there. It's NOT really English friendly in my opinion. I tried to speak it there and they were not understanding so I switched to Japanese.

There is a menu in the lobby place. I paid 15000 for an hour. Something like 12000 for 40 minutes was available too. Didn't look at other options.

My girl was extremely enthusiastic. I haven't had that for a long time. She went out of her way to take care of me. By that I mean I got two shots with the first being mish. Second BJ and HJ.

She did not rush me at all. In fact I was told I still had time. I did not really. Just very nice service.

I'm not giving her name as I learned the hard way doing that. No pms requesting that thanks.

I'm upping pics I took. Including biz card.

Ymmv! I do not take any responsibility for a lesser experience there. Once again. You need language skills!

http://goo.gl/maps/BUxHUThanks for the update, that's a fabulous location and good price for the time. Do you get to see the girl / pick a girl there? CBJ or BBBJ?

UnderTheSheet
06-14-15, 02:45
I've seen some shops open for foreigners. Not many. And it's easier if you are in Tokyo area. In Kansai, there are not so many nice options if you don't speak Japanese. Most agents don't speak English. And even if they accept us, they ain't friendly to us. Could depend on your race or nationality. I'm not white, not from America or Europa (for them, Europa doesn't mean whole Europa, either). And I need it to be clean. I mean it. I couldn't stand a filthy small small room just to fuck or get BJ with no shower. I prefer calling to my nice hotel room. So the only option I'm willing to accept was a little costly. (But they're fine in every ways.) If you're looking for a decent and secure gaijin friendly escort service, I recommend this. http://japanese-escort-girls.com/?bbs They also have sexy massage shop, too!