Cuba and US Politics

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Castro is still a better person in diary !!! Fuck D BUSH, As usual US policy if you are not my buddy you gotta be my enemy!

Anyway BUSH is surely going down this election

Lover Boy

Jackson,

Thank you for this much needed section. The Havana board was becoming overloaded with politics: so much so that during a period of a few weeks there was more political thought posted than chica information!

Regards, Havanaman

"... you cannot separate Cuba mongering from politics"

Kudos to whoever made this suggestion. Now, let the pontification begin.

Bush will be re-elected, no doubt about it.

And if he will be not - there is going to be NO different at all. They all are small marionettes and the big interests behind roules.

Jackson,

Many thanks for open this new section. I am sick
and tired of fellow mongers talking about politics
and lately "laughing" about El Cubanito.

Fellow mongers should do what I did, if thats
the case: For the time being do not visit Cuba,
until Gloria, Emilio and Cristina give us the okay
to visit. They are responsible ...

Thank you Jackson for another well thought out and needed addition. Politics on this Cuba site have recently become overbearing and unrelenting. Not to mention one sided.

I believe that politics are best left to a separate section like this one you have created.

gracias amigo

Thanks for the new topic:

Here is my two cents. The Miami mafia while influencital from a political standpoint is not wholly to blame for the evnets which we are now facing. Presidents make policy decisons, but it is the staffers in the Dept of State that enforce policy and give it teeth. Castro in his infinite wisdom created many problems in the world in addition to Cuba (e.g. Boliva, Angola, El Salvador and Nicarugua, ect...). What we mongers are feeling right now is the pain from a big dog (the USA), being tired of that pain in the ass. What we are seeing is not something short term in nature. This is a very concerted effort by the USA to isolate Cuba and bring about a regime change that will be more conducive to the USA and its foriegn ploicy. I am an American, and I prefer Cuba because it is cheap and safe. What we need on this borad is to find a way around the problem, because as I said this is NOT a short term problem.

What countries are complying with the US Passport Control request. What countries are not? There must be a solution to the problem lets find it. This will be much easier than trying to change the USA foriegn policy.

Once again, thanks Jackson for creating this forum.

That said, I'm not a great fan of our commander in cheif and plan on voting against him in the next election, mostly for reasons beyond the scope of this discussion ( Read Ashcroft, the Patriot act and the war in Iraq in order).

That said, I think Fidel is a dinosaur who will probably be visited by the angel of death soon but not soon enough. Without the former Soviet Union to back his regime, it is only a matter of his passing before the old regime crumbles and he is gone.

What I don't understand about US policy is why we isolate Cuba- its totally a punative and negative way of reacting to Castro. I think the thing to do is to bring Cuba into the new millenium. Yes, I mean open and unrestricted TRADE. Nothing will force the collapse of the current ideas and scheme of things more quickly than exposing cubans to consumer goods and the world market. Castro may be able to hold his little marxist enclave together by sheer force of will while he lives, but with the island existing right at the border of one of the largest international markets in the world, modern cuba will not be able to resist the jugernaut of the free market and international trade.

My point? that as long as we (the United States) continue a policy of economic isolation and international quarentine against Cuba, we are actually insuring the status quo. Castro will still continue to get enough hard currency from the european commenwealth to shore up his regime, and we will be gridlocked in the status quo. Open trade and open ideas will reform the hearts and minds of the cuban people.

We're siding with has beens who are still sore about losing their property at the fall of Batista- that was 50 years ago, this is now.
We lost the Bay of Pigs, get over it. Nothing will bring Cuba back to the capitalist fold sooner than to open trade and allow tourism (and therein the influx of western ideas through us visiting gringos).

I heard a newscast last night here in Maryland, saying that an oil compant has been doing exploratory drilling in Cuban territory and will have the results later this week. If it pans out, this IMO most likely effectivly end the embarg I think as there will be many
countries wanting access to this crude oil.

Chaz

Warpig2000

In regards Fidel, I do have some news for you, he is
going to live for about 120 years.

Chariiesx,

Here are some other news ... Guess what country wants
access to this crude oil. Yes, you are right the US thru
Canada.

Read about Castro's Sex Tourism rebutal:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5779442

I was pretty surprised when one WSG'er PM'ed me telling me that Fidel encourages prostitution. I told him he was wrong and he said that Bush was saying that Fidel is promoting prostitution. Anyone that has visited Cuba knows this is a flat out lie. Cuba has to be one of the toughest and harshest places for girls to get caught working. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend Cuba as a hobby destination because of the girls possibly going to jail.

Cuba WILL open up. That's a fact. They can't keep things like this forever. Just as the wall came tumbling down...change will happen in Cuba too.

I never talk politics on WSG but I will say that most politicians these days are clowns. I really don't think it matters who's in office these days. Politics is politics. I've always been a Republican but it's hard to say anything positive about Bush. Many fellow Republicans I know aren't voting for him this election either. Even the Bush lovers have to admit that your man is better off not talking. He might have a chance if he just keeps his mouth shut and doesn't say anything.

If you want a good laugh about Bush/Kerry you can view the link below. Good luck. (wait till after any previews of other movie clips...)

[url]www.jibjab.com/thisland.html [/url]