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[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1696813]The transcendent indifference is particularly poignant in light of an "Inquirer" article today, which cites government statistics to show that the incidence of poverty in the Visayan regions most affected by Typhoon Yolanda has grown significantly since the disaster, and is now in excess of fifty percent.

GE.[/QUOTE]I read that and was interesting but the government will say that it increased because of Yolanda so that is not a fair comparison and / or blame Arroyo or another opposition politician. If I remember the local politicians there are aligned to Arroyo and were accused of not helping to deliberately cause the government grief.

Whatever, the 50% figure is no surprise and am sure the general level of poverty in the country remains unchanged or is growing because this is factored into the averages. A president voted in because of his mom and dad is IMHO never a good one but this is Philippines (a good Indian friend said the country was just like his, families, corruption, poverty etc).

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1696619]We have heard many stories about the handful of rich families wanting to make more money and bigger deals. Has anyone heard of just one story where they have helped or donated some relief goods or money for any calamity victims?[/QUOTE]After Typhoon Yolanda I did volunteer work (OPLAN HATID) at Villamor Air Base in Pasay for many days, so I saw their activities firsthand. Survivors were flown in by the Philippines and US Air Forces. After being received by gov't DSWD officials and briefed the survivors were released to the volunteers. Smart and Globe set up free call booths. Several food and beverage companies were handing out their stuff. SM had a mobile health clinic truck there, and it had the only x-ray device onsite. My friend who works for SM told me that the Sy family donated money and materials. Other than flying in survivors, flying out relief supplies, and maintaining the site's hygiene and traffic the military did not much else. Being on an air force base (the PAF HQ) I expected to see all kinds of military involvement from medics to canteens to ground transport; this was certainly not the case as it was done by civilian and corporate volunteers.

[URL]http://philnews.ph/2013/11/17/henry-sy-lucio-tan-leads-richest-filipinos-donation-yolanda-victims/[/URL]

More may have been donated. I recall reading land was donated and homes built by philanthropists.

The point of this post is to neither praise nor condemn but simply state that yes, the oligarchs did donate. Whether it was sufficient or not is up to you to judge.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1697020]After Typhoon Yolanda I did volunteer work (OPLAN HATID) at Villamor Air Base in Pasay for many days, so I saw their activities firsthand. Survivors were flown in by the Philippines and US Air Forces. After being received by gov't DSWD officials and briefed the survivors were released to the volunteers. Smart and Globe set up free call booths. Several food and beverage companies were handing out their stuff. SM had a mobile health clinic truck there, and it had the only x-ray device onsite. My friend who works for SM told me that the Sy family donated money and materials. Other than flying in survivors, flying out relief supplies, and maintaining the site's hygiene and traffic the military did not much else. Being on an air force base (the PAF HQ) I expected to see all kinds of military involvement from medics to canteens to ground transport; this was certainly not the case as it was done by civilian and corporate volunteers.

[URL]http://philnews.ph/2013/11/17/henry-sy-lucio-tan-leads-richest-filipinos-donation-yolanda-victims/[/URL]

More may have been donated. I recall reading land was donated and homes built by philanthropists.

The point of this post is to neither praise nor condemn but simply state that yes, the oligarchs did donate. Whether it was sufficient or not is up to you to judge.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report. It sheds some light on this. I will keep my judgement to myself.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1696925]I read that and was interesting but the government will say that it increased because of Yolanda so that is not a fair comparison and / or blame Arroyo or another opposition politician. If I remember the local politicians there are aligned to Arroyo and were accused of not helping to deliberately cause the government grief.

Whatever, the 50% figure is no surprise and am sure the general level of poverty in the country remains unchanged or is growing because this is factored into the averages. A president voted in because of his mom and dad is IMHO never a good one but this is Philippines (a good Indian friend said the country was just like his, families, corruption, poverty etc).[/QUOTE]That Cory was any better is debatable.

And. This personal blog of Aquino Sr will put in place, how detached they were, from the common man.

[URL]https://anywhereiwander.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/memoir-blog-24-ninoy-aquino-the-boy-wonder-of-tarlac/[/URL]

P.S. after his exile, Ninoy wrote that the incarceration made his believe in God. Etc. Etc. More selling points. Though the family is fervently sticking on to their Hacienda with no plan to let go of it.

Plus, during Cory's time how much of Marcos cronies were simply replaced by Cory's. Beggars belief!

Article from the Inquirer made for a good read but not sure what is more alarming. The number od confirmed cases each day, the government's inaction and / or some of the comments which could be deemed Neanderthal by many.

[URL]http://opinion.inquirer.net/83707/life-and-death-issue-2[/URL]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1700508]Article from the Inquirer made for a good read but not sure what is more alarming. The number od confirmed cases each day, the government's inaction and / or some of the comments which could be deemed Neanderthal by many.

[URL]http://opinion.inquirer.net/83707/life-and-death-issue-2[/URL][/QUOTE]Unfortunately, with same-sex union among men being rampant, and officially not existent (including the president himself being hinted as a closet homo). Not going to stop it.

In fact, about 7 out of 10 Filipino hot hunks I bumped into, through my Filipino friends, were openly or tacitly gays!

And the male members of Filipino bands playing in Singapore are very hooked on online dating of other men, so much so, one guy had a 'friend' fly over all the way from Japan, just to have a date and spend time with the male singer.

Found this interesting:

[URL]http://www.mb.com.ph/mandatory-sim-card-registration-bill-nears-passage/[/URL]

Have to wait and see if it gets implemented (lot of resistance by the telco's) and if activation by the retailer is also required or just registration. Easy enough to get around it though, just have one of my GF's use one of her false eye dees's to get new SIM's.

I just had a heads-up from a friend in Oz who visited here a few weeks ago. He is a staff member in a Dept of Chemistry at an Aust. University.

I took him for a look-see at Burgos St in Makati and we were pestered by the usual touts wanting us to buy V and Cialis etc.

I told him that the pills were "knock-off" and their country of origin was uncertain (maybe India; maybe local).

His academic instincts kicked in and he bought a box and said he would run a few simple tests on them to see what turned up.

He contacted me today. Each pill in his sample tested positively for traces of cyanide (which is quite common in nature); he also found traces of the break-down products of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) and traces of warfarin (commonly used in rat poison).

He said that he could not tell how much of each foreign compound was present other than the fact that they showed a trace of being present, but he was concerned that there didn't appear to be any quality control since each pill seemed to show different response levels. Note that his test was a simple "present or not" test and not a rigorously controlled clinical analysis.

His conclusion was that a few pills here and there may not do much damage but over a longer time the concentration might build up, particularly cyanide (remember all those murder mysteries you read about spouses being steadily poisoned).

So be careful guys if you're one of those who regularly ingests pills off the street. Personally I have NEVER bought them so I have never taken them.

There is now generic sildenifil available from Mercury Drug or Watsons in Manila (I don't know about AC).

The brand is Rite Med. One box of 5 x 100 mgm tabs is 770 php. For most guys that means 10 doses of 50 mgm at 77 php per half pill (and they have a convenient groove in the middle so you can easily break them). No prescription needed. Just ask for a box of generic sildenifil.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1701060]Found this interesting:

[URL]http://www.mb.com.ph/mandatory-sim-card-registration-bill-nears-passage/[/URL]

Have to wait and see if it gets implemented (lot of resistance by the telco's) and if activation by the retailer is also required or just registration. Easy enough to get around it though, just have one of my GF's use one of her false eye dees's to get new SIM's.[/QUOTE]99.9% it won't happen, as the two dominant telcos are owned by the two biggest families, who in turn, fund politicians and all.

Firstly, they need to implement a National ID, which won't happen, lest the crooks get caught.

Forget about SIM Cards.

P.S., in Singapore, where SIM card registration is compulsory, there are still some dubious characters who re-sell registered SIMs, I. E. Registered to foreigners who left, not a small premium. You think the Smart Filipinos won't find a large loophole?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1701264]

His academic instincts kicked in and he bought a box and said he would run a few simple tests on them to see what turned up.

He contacted me today. Each pill in his sample tested positively for traces of cyanide (which is quite common in nature); he also found traces of the break-down products of ethylene glycol (antifreeze) and traces of warfarin (commonly used in rat poison).[/QUOTE]Interesting RK, thanks to your friend, but what you neglected to mention (your Alzhiemer's kicking in again? lol) was if he told you whether there was actually any Sildenafil (or Tadalafil if he also tested vitamin C) in the pills.

Likely to be another of the 9 or so cyclones that hit PI every year. It is currently a 'Super Typhoon' category storm. and will be named Chedeng by the PI once it reaches their territory.

Let's hope that it does not make landfall, and that it weakens even more than predicted.

Forewarned is forearmed!

Ikks

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1701464]Interesting RK, thanks to your friend, but what you neglected to mention (your Alzhiemer's kicking in again? lol) was if he told you whether there was actually any Sildenafil (or Tadalafil if he also tested vitamin C) in the pills.[/QUOTE]Yes PJ I was more worried about the uncontrolled level of impurities in the pills rather than to remember to report on the active ingredients.

There were also indications of Tadalafil in the 4 pills he tested.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1701521]Yes PJ I was more worried about the uncontrolled level of impurities in the pills rather than to remember to report on the active ingredients.

There were also indications of Tadalafil in the 4 pills he tested.[/QUOTE]Thanks RK. You've done us all a service. I think the number of the viagra / cialis hawkers has increased recently so maybe this reflects an expanding market. I admit that I've tried the stuff, but not for a long while and I'll never buy it on the street again.

GE.

I am moving to the Philippines and need a place in Cebu (Choice #2 Manila). I need a place shorter term, without massive deposits and with wired Internet, until I can find a more permanent place once I get there. I have covered Airbnb and other sites but really haven't found anything. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1701958]I am moving to the Philippines and need a place in Cebu (Choice #2 Manila). I need a place shorter term, without massive deposits and with wired Internet, until I can find a more permanent place once I get there. I have covered Airbnb and other sites but really haven't found anything. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.[/QUOTE]PM: This is a (small) chastisement. About September of last year, you go into a bit of a snit with Amavida:

AV: [I]I stand by my advice, come here & get the lay of the land if you are considering a move here.
Cheers mate, AV.[/I].

PM: [I]Then it's a good thing I am rich. Your comments are idiotic. I now give up on the quest.[B] Just wanted simple info. Not opinions[/B].[/I].

That last boldfaced bit is what separates the phils threads from the rest: its a no-no.

Your contributions to the central America threads over the last several years are good. But just like before, you don't have much in the way of any quality informative Field Reports from phils. It appears you have traveled there before, therefore: Where are your reports? You are taking from the Board without giving. Please file a descriptive FR from your time here in the past before asking questions.

I will PM you with some Internet info.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1701500]Likely to be another of the 9 or so cyclones that hit PI every year. It is currently a 'Super Typhoon' category storm. and will be named Chedeng by the PI once it reaches their territory.

Let's hope that it does not make landfall, and that it weakens even more than predicted.

Forewarned is forearmed!

Ikks[/QUOTE]Chedeng (as is what Mercedes Benz is known in Phil.) is weak, but still expected to cause some damage across Luzon.

Be safe, avoid needless travel to far away places.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1701958]I am moving to the Philippines and need a place in Cebu (Choice #2 Manila). I need a place shorter term, without massive deposits and with wired Internet, until I can find a more permanent place once I get there. I have covered Airbnb and other sites but really haven't found anything. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm amazed you can't find find anything for Metro Manila in Airbnb. There are several hundred places fitting all budgets. What are the unnamed "other sites"? [URL]http://www.olx.ph[/URL] (former sulit) is good.

Other than internet you can't / won't detail your requirements (desired location(s) in each city, number of BR, amenities, definitions of "massive deposit" and "shorter term", or even budget), so you've left it to the community to guess wildly. And that I'll do.

This place in Metro Manila looks passible, only just, [URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/4505130?checkin=04%2F25%2F2015&checkout=05%2F25%2F2015&s=GN8k[/URL], and it has internet. I must say the AC looks a tad underpowered for the living room.

If you don't need more than 1 BR then this condo may be acceptable, [URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/4226538?checkin=04%2F25%2F2015&checkout=05%2F25%2F2015&s=GN8k[/URL].

Nope. Never have been to the Philippines. I have lived in Costa Rica, Mexico and Medellin. In some countries when a landlord advertises that Internet is available it actually means 'the Internet'. In the Philippines there are many 'cautions' published about the Internet and few if any raves about it. Therefore my question to those of you who have experience in the Philippines.

Since I paid my $19.95 I think I m entitled to my quest without the smirks of someone who by pm Has be identified as a trouble maker.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1701958]I am moving to the Philippines and need a place in Cebu (Choice #2 Manila). I need a place shorter term, without massive deposits and with wired Internet, until I can find a more permanent place once I get there. I have covered Airbnb and other sites but really haven't found anything. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1702920]In some countries when a landlord advertises that Internet is available it actually means 'the Internet'. In the Philippines there are many 'cautions' published about the Internet and few if any raves about it. Therefore my question to those of you who have experience in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Forget searching the internet for Cebu, at least for longer term rentals. The majority of them, and I mean about 95%, are overpriced, already gone, are "bait and switch" (for sale not really for rent; old pics, etc). Don't waste your time looking now, wait till you arrive and then look around.

You don't mention a budget and I presume for short term you want fully furnished? Hard, but not impossible to find. In Mabolo: most will run you about 30 k per month plus utilities; Strawberry Residences, Santoni's (ad's say long term, but they accept month to month), Tancor 1, 2 and 3 (they require a month advance plus security dep). In Banilad, close to Country Mall, you can try Apartelle de Arcenas (about 20 k++). Around IT Park there's a few, but they tend to be very small overpriced studios (about 20 sqm at 25-35 k) and they tend to cater to Korean students and foreigners (read again as K-poppers) working in call centers. Near Ayala there's the Wellcome Hotel (not a typo, it's spelled with 2 "L's") at about 35 k per month.

Can't help with cockroach infested fan room type low budget places as that's not how I roll.

You can also inquire at some of the hotels, although not advertised, many offer monthly rates. This is not a recommendation, but as an example the Diplomat's executive room can be rented monthly for about 30 k (not sure if there's still an extra fee for electricity).

As has been reported here and in other forums, the internet service in Cebu is sub par. Depending on where you live you can get broadband service from PLDT, Globe or Sky Cable (there's a couple of other players, but the aforementioned 3 are the larger ones). All cost about the same, 1 - 1,500 k per month and require at least a one year contract (some rentals may already include service; all of the short term ones usually do include Wi-Fi, but quality will vary; Tancor 3's sucks). As a backup I suggest you get a 4 G / LTE pocket Wi-Fi device (about 4-5 k) with a Smart LTE SIM card (1 k per month for unli service); 4 G service here is pretty good and Smart covers most of the city (it will default to 3 G if 4 G not available).

I realized, when glancing at my license plate a couple of days ago, that it's time to renew my car registration. Given that I've not got the patience, the time or the willingness to deal directly with the LTO bureaucracy in Mindanao, I contacted the same fixer I've been using for years. She explained to me--and I later verified--that the country is switching to new plates, so this year there's an "extra" charge to cover the cost of the new plates. Unfortunately, the new plates are not available, but the charge applies nonetheless. In prior years, updated stickers for the plate weren't available. I think the last time I got one was in 2012, but now it's the plates themselves.

How can anyone take this country seriously?

GE.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1702856]Chedeng (as is what Mercedes Benz is known in Phil.) is weak, but still expected to cause some damage across Luzon.
Be safe, avoid needless travel to far away places.[/QUOTE]On April 1 this year, the TV program Topgear published an article that Mercedes Benz was suing the PI government for naming typhoons Chedeng. Haha!

Girls nicknamed Mercedes are also sometimes called Chedeng.

Ikksman

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1702920]
Since I paid my $19.95 I think I m entitled to my quest without the smirks of someone who by pm Has be identified as a trouble maker.[/QUOTE]Of course you are. But $19.95, or any price for that matter, doesn't give you carte blanche. Even on [URL]carteblanche.com[/URL]. Have you ever been a member of a country club? You don't get to make a mess of the locker room or disregard propriety because you paid a membership fee. Calling others idiots, as you did to Amavida, won't endear you with the community; this is especially true when you're asking that community for help. With the membership rights also come responsibilities. Vague questions don't get you answers. They do clutter the board.

A quick recap.

1) For reasons that you can't / won't mention you've ruled out the hundred and hundreds of places on airbnb.

2) For reasons you can't / won't mention you've ruled out other unnamed sites.

I provided you two listing of condos in the Fort, a location where you will be most likely to get the highest speed internet service - just take a look at all the foreign offices there. Your posts back in September were quite clear for your need of this. And these places fall within your budget because you PM'd Amavida and told him you are rich. Unless you are willing to buy an ISP and invest to upgrade the QOS you will have to endure what is available locally. Like the rest of us. Sorry to break that to you.

These are your remaining lodging options. Hotel. Couch surfing. Camping. Squatting. The quality of internet service for the last two is quite poor. Perhaps non-existent.

If very reliable, high-speed, always-on internet service is a must for the country you choose to reside you ought to look at, according to 2014 global rankings done by Akamai Technologies, 3) Japan, 2) Hong Kong and 1) S. Korea. The Philippines ranked 49th. I'm amazed it ranked so highly.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1702920]Nope. Never have been to the Philippines. I have lived in Costa Rica, Mexico and Medellin. [/QUOTE]Well then, you have stepped up a notch coming to the phils threads.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1702920]Since I paid my $19.95 I think I m entitled to my quest without the smirks of someone who by pm Has be identified as a trouble maker.[/QUOTE]Not at all true. Paying the $19.95 gets phils-newbs to PM status. Hit myself or any other senior board member in PM with questions. Hitting the boards with questions before filing a FR is littering. Asking questions and then disappearing without filing FR's is taking-without-giving. While doing those stinky things is fine on the CR / DR / Columbia threads, its not here.

Regarding Internet speeds / availabilities, I sent you a 7-paragraph PM a five days ago. Hope you got it.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1703194]Girls nicknamed Mercedes are also sometimes called Chedeng.[/QUOTE]One of my girls, who's name really is Mercedes, goes by the nick name "Chedeng". But I misunderstood her pronunciation of it and so I call her "bling bling" instead.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1703194]On April 1 this year, the TV program Topgear published an article that Mercedes Benz was suing the PI government for naming typhoons Chedeng. Haha!

Girls nicknamed Mercedes are also sometimes called Chedeng.

Ikksman[/QUOTE]Yes, saw the Top Gear PH facebook post. And it was even more comical to see the loads of Filipino who truly believed that story and demanded that MB be fined heavily for insulting Filipino pride!

Will arrive in Cebu City and planning to stay in Royal Crown Hotel & Towers.

Is that a good choice considering Girl Friendly? Or ID-check? (I'm not into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] but all girls don't have ID).

Will arrive around May 24, if you are in town and want to join send a PM or just answer here.

Thanks

[QUOTE=MadMad;1704007]Will arrive in Cebu City and planning to stay in Royal Crown Hotel & Towers.

Is that a good choice considering Girl Friendly? Or ID-check?[/QUOTE]Better to pose your question in the Cebu Hotels thread and you will find my response there:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3160-Cebu-Hotels[/URL]

I am searching fruitlessly for a place to rent / live in Olongapo.

Does anybody have name (s), number (s) for reputable real estate agents / brokers who can help me?

Are there any board members who live in Olongapo?

Thanks in anticipation.

Gangles.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1704750]I am searching fruitlessly for a place to rent / live in Olongapo.

Does anybody have name (s), number (s) for reputable real estate agents / brokers who can help me?

Are there any board members who live in Olongapo?

Thanks in anticipation.

Gangles[/QUOTE]I am planning on moving to Barretto when I can finally get my ass into gear.

On other expat forums, it seems most properties are advertised by a sign hung on the wall, stuck in the window or naile to a telephone pole. Usual advice is to pound the streets, or.

Rent a scooter if you need to cover a larger area. Networking in western run bars might well produce contacts, as well as giving you an idea on market rates. One site suggested.

Almost asking random people in the street!

Most opinion is agents not only charge you the skin tax, but make a healthy profit between what they charge you and what they pass to the landlord.

Anyways, would be glad to read of your experiences.

Happy hunting.

[URL]http://www.rappler.com/nation/89480-us-troops-liberty-policy-philippines[/URL]

US military must be in their rooms by 10 pm.

Allows a bloke to call out "Next!" more frequently. [URL]http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/89320-japan-man-paid-sex-12000-women-philippines-arrested[/URL].

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1705475]Allows a bloke to call out "Next!" more frequently. [URL]http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/89320-japan-man-paid-sex-12000-women-philippines-arrested[/URL].[/QUOTE]This guy's a monster.

He should be despatched from the news headlines as soon as possible. Some of the respondents to the item in some Aussie newspapers were not as kind as me.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1705497]This guy's a monster.

He should be despatched from the news headlines as soon as possible. Some of the respondents to the item in some Aussie newspapers were not as kind as me.[/QUOTE]Indeed a monster. Stories such as these don't vanish from the dailies quickly, but perhaps more stickiness overseas. The comments on rappler, which I take to be from Filipinos largely, seem far from angered. And very few of them. Stories about corruption and Chinese building military outposts on shoals get the crowd wound up.

Have you racked up 12,000 Women? Japanese Man Arrested.

But he did some bad things along the way.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/09/asia/japan-philippines-school-principal-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url]-sex/index.html[/URL]

Didn't you read the 3 posts before your post TTT?

Now you know why regular ISG readers get "annoyed" when guys come on here with questions and comments before they have read anything at all on the board but hey! It's the weekend so relax and have fun.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1705635]Have you racked up 12,000 Women? Japanese Man Arrested.

But he did some bad things along the way.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/09/asia/japan-philippines-school-principal-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url]-sex/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

This article in the Philstar made me laugh. Am sure the survey is rigged in a way as I have flown many of the airlines noted but would not rank anywhere near a top 50 place. PAL, Saudia are just two I could mention. And proud of a 53% on time arrival! Maybe that explains comments that other posters have said about the country.

Have a chuckle.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/04/12/1442805/pal-among-most-dependable-airlines[/URL]

Shockingly AC is not in the list.

[URL]http://www.rappler.com/nation/89412-hiv-6-philippine-cities-uncontrollable-rates[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1705475]Allows a bloke to call out "Next!" more frequently. [URL]http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/89320-japan-man-paid-sex-12000-women-philippines-arrested[/URL].[/QUOTE]How much does a great granny runs for these days I e 70 yo? This is a horny bloke. Cudos to the man for beeing horny but no cudos given due to play with minors and if that is the case he may rotten in jail.

Please excuse my ignorance guys, but for the past 12 years I have visited Thailand twice a year but now I am thinking of coming to Phils during the winter.

When casually watching the TV news it seems like the Philippines gets more than its fare share of Typhoons.

What is the weather season like from November to February in Angeles and Subic?

TIA Gus.

[QUOTE=Gus69;1706427]Please excuse my ignorance guys, but for the past 12 years I have visited Thailand twice a year but now I am thinking of coming to Phils during the winter.

When casually watching the TV news it seems like the Philippines gets more than its fare share of Typhoons.

What is the weather season like from November to February in Angeles and Subic?

TIA Gus.[/QUOTE]Typhoon prediction is limited to 2 weeks to 3 weeks ahead.

Example, last month there was a massive typhoon predicted to cross Philippines, and devastate Luzon. AC, and the likes. And nearing Philippines it just fizzled out!

Generally September to Feb sees more typhoons, but as said, it is unpredictable.

Though most typhoons like the southern islands, few like AC and the northern islands!

[QUOTE=Gus69;1706427]Please excuse my ignorance guys, but for the past 12 years I have visited Thailand twice a year but now I am thinking of coming to Phils during the winter.

When casually watching the TV news it seems like the Philippines gets more than its fare share of Typhoons.

What is the weather season like from November to February in Angeles and Subic?

TIA Gus.[/QUOTE]Not only its fair share of typhoons, also earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and severe flooding. Large bugs, too.

Generally you'll see most typhoons and tropical storms from July to the beginning of December. Looking at the most severe, deadliest, and most destructive typhoons in Philippine history Sept - Dec are the bad months. The end of Dec - Feb tends to be the coolest months and low storm activity, yet when the Pope was here mid-January he had to cut short his visit to Tacloban due to a storm. Typhoons tend to strike southern Luzon and islands further south such as Samar, Leyte, and Cebu; southern Mindanao gets the fewest. The most recent typhoon Chedeng hit northern Luzon.

Most things you'd want to know about Philippine climate can be found here [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_the_Philippines[/url]. AC and Subic are in the climate type I region.

K,

I googled for this and didn't get much info, so I'll post here. Just how bad are the bugs in PH? How common is dengue? Giant spiders / centipedes? Cockroaches? If I rent a nice place (50 k+/ month) in a cool city like Tagaytay, will that help? Or is all that stuff in the. Provinces only?

So, I was just thinking, shouldn't the members here have a secret handshake or secret greeting / nod? Remember the movie "The Sting" w / Redford and Newman? I may go to Angeles my next trip, just for a few nights, and would like to know if the guy next to me in the bar is a member of this forum. A handshake, a certain nod of the head, a wave of the hand, would tell me that he is. Too juvenile?

[QUOTE=MrHawaii;1706705]So, I was just thinking, shouldn't the members here have a secret handshake or secret greeting / nod? Remember the movie "The Sting" w / Redford and Newman? I may go to Angeles my next trip, just for a few nights, and would like to know if the guy next to me in the bar is a member of this forum. A handshake, a certain nod of the head, a wave of the hand, would tell me that he is. Too juvenile?[/QUOTE]I think a baseball cap with ISG member's current theme "don't f-up the market" would do it. Or for the most senior members "it's not like the good ole days".

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1706693]K,

I googled for this and didn't get much info, so I'll post here. Just how bad are the bugs in PH? How common is dengue? Giant spiders / centipedes? Cockroaches? If I rent a nice place (50 k+/ month) in a cool city like Tagaytay, will that help? Or is all that stuff in the. Provinces only?[/QUOTE]All the above are present in PH. Most insects are large enough to provide the average family a high protein meal. At 9k a month you can hire a full-time housemaid to catch all the insects for you or buy a can of insecticide for <400php.

I don't know about Tagaytay.

[QUOTE=Gus69;1706427]Please excuse my ignorance guys, but for the past 12 years I have visited Thailand twice a year but now I am thinking of coming to Phils during the winter.

When casually watching the TV news it seems like the Philippines gets more than its fare share of Typhoons.

What is the weather season like from November to February in Angeles and Subic?

TIA Gus.[/QUOTE]Most mongers have enough notice of a pending typhoon and money to get out of town before she hits land. It is of no concern if you are thinking with the little head. BTW you can always shelter up with your poontang for a few days if you are close to one.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1706448]

Generally September to Feb sees more typhoons, but as said, it is unpredictable.
[/QUOTE]The majority of typhoons pass through the Phils between late June and mid-to late December. Typhoons in Jan / Feb are very unusual.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1706318]Shockingly AC is not in the list.

[URL]http://www.rappler.com/nation/89412-hiv-6-philippine-cities-uncontrollable-rates[/URL][/QUOTE]AC is in the list as 'other high prevalance city' (see the table further down in the article).

The top 6 only lists the cities that are exceeding the national HIV prevalence rate of 3. 5% among males who have sex with males.

It's not clear to me (based on this article) if Angeles is a high prevalance city as well with regard to males who have sex with females. It seems to me the article is only about males who have sex with males.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1706811] It seems to me the article is only about males who have sex with males.[/QUOTE]I think that's a wrong interpretation Mogs (with all due respect).

The article is very careful to point out that the rather large INCREASE in the incidence of HIV identified in the Philippines has come predominantly from male-to-male contact but there are also residual data that refers to an increase in women with HIV too. The data is not only about male-to-male transmission.

My major concern about HIV is the huge number of Filipino seamen who work as OFWs and who visit ports in PNG and West Africa (to mention just 2) and then return home to dispense unwanted pasalubong to their wives, girlfriends, mistresses and assorted bar girls and masseuses.

The preference for unprotected sex with girls about whom one does not have a detailed history is fraught with risk. I suspect that many women in the population have no idea they are infected with any STD, especially those for whom there are no symptoms as yet.

The preparedness to go bareback is reinforced by the weird attitude held by girls who consider that only prostitutes carry and use condoms and they don't wish to be categorized as such. Anyway, why use them if they are simply having sex with guys met in dating sites? Illogical for sure.

But then again I have just had a discussion with a group of 3 girls who collectively did not realize that a virgin could get pregnant in her first sexual experience. One of them learned the hard way. Another tick for the wonderful sex education programs provided here.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1706825]
The article is very careful to point out that the rather large INCREASE in the incidence of HIV identified in the Philippines has come predominantly from male-to-male contact but there are also residual data that refers to an increase in women with HIV too. The data is not only about male-to-male transmission.
[/QUOTE]Many men who have sex with other men also have sex with women, and their social networks often include women who engage in commercial sex.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1706693]K,

I googled for this and didn't get much info, so I'll post here. Just how bad are the bugs in PH? How common is dengue? Giant spiders / centipedes? Cockroaches? If I rent a nice place (50 k+/ month) in a cool city like Tagaytay, will that help? Or is all that stuff in the. Provinces only?[/QUOTE]You know Godzilla, right? Like that but not fire breathing, which is a relief.

Condos spray common areas every month. A problem area is the rubbish chutes. Monster cockroaches climb their way up from the dumpsters and seize small pets and infants.

The good news is dengue is down, http://outbreaknewstoday.com/dengue-down-60-in-the-philippines-this-year-84443/. Keep in mind TB is not uncommon and many are carriers. ISIS isn't here... yet.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1706710]... or buy a can of insecticide for <400php.[/QUOTE]When you're in hunter-killer mode spray is okay. The most effective insecticide I've used is the baited roach traps, the one in which roaches ingest the poison and take it back to their demonic dens. A few in the kitchen (beside fridge and under sink), one in the bathroom, and you'll be pretty clean for a couple of months. If you have filthy neighbours put one near your front door as a welcome mat to take care of those migrating.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1706962]You know Godzilla, right? Like that but not fire breathing[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to clog up this thread with questions about insects. But I've read about Huntsman spiders with 10" legspans and 7" centipedes. I plan on renting a villa and staying in PH for a long time. Will these kinds of insects wander into the house? Are they found in cities? How about a colder area like Baguio or Tagaytay? I can't find much info about this online, but I seriously don't want to wake up with a giant centipede in my bed. And what about cockroaches? Screen every window and caulk every door, they'll still get in, huh? I must sound like a pansy but I really hate bugs LOL. Also I'll contribute more later on, again, sorry for so many noob questions.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707129]I'm sorry to clog up this thread with questions about insects. But I've read about Huntsman spiders with 10" legspans and 7" centipedes. I plan on renting a villa and staying in PH for a long time. Will these kinds of insects wander into the house? Are they found in cities? How about a colder area like Baguio or Tagaytay? I can't find much info about this online, but I seriously don't want to wake up with a giant centipede in my bed. And what about cockroaches? Screen every window and caulk every door, they'll still get in, huh? I must sound like a pansy but I really hate bugs LOL. Also I'll contribute more later on, again, sorry for so many noob questions.[/QUOTE]Its a tropical country with a normal range of insects that you would find in any tropical country. Dengue generally comes from mosquitoes that gather around stagnant water (and only one type of mosquito carries dengue) so don't leave water lying around ie in plant pots.

There are geckos that happily eat many of the smaller insects. Geckos interestingly eat other geckos.

There are cockroaches of course, but you can add to global warming by using lots of Baygon etc.

And then there are fire ants. And you really don't want to get any near those little guys. A few of those on your leg and you would know about it very quickly. !

Its a normal tropical country with the normal array of flora and fauna. Of course there are bloodsuckers too but we all know where to find those. LOL.

Years ago I witnessed the world's smartest gecko in the Carmenville subdivsion of Angeles City. This giant gecko camped out underneath one of those electronic bug zappers and would eat the french fried mosquitoes and other bugs that fell from it. It was a big fat gecko that I never forgot.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1707154]

There are geckos that happily eat many of the smaller insects. Geckos interestingly eat other geckos.

.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1706825]I think that's a wrong interpretation Mogs (with all due respect).

The article is very careful to point out that the rather large INCREASE in the incidence of HIV identified in the Philippines has come predominantly from male-to-male contact but there are also residual data that refers to an increase in women with HIV too. The data is not only about male-to-male transmission.[/QUOTE]I've read the article again and I think you are right. Thanks for the clarification RK.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1707154]Its a tropical country with a normal range of insects that you would find in any tropical country. Dengue generally comes from mosquitoes that gather around stagnant water (and only one type of mosquito carries dengue) so don't leave water lying around ie in plant pots.

There are geckos that happily eat many of the smaller insects. Geckos interestingly eat other geckos.

There are cockroaches of course, but you can add to global warming by using lots of Baygon etc.

And then there are fire ants. And you really don't want to get any near those little guys. A few of those on your leg and you would know about it very quickly. !

Its a normal tropical country with the normal array of flora and fauna. Of course there are bloodsuckers too but we all know where to find those. LOL.[/QUOTE]It is indeed a typical tropical country, and the range of fauna in particular is huge. One particular flaura exemplar, the gecko, resides all over our house, or I should say several of them do, happily keeping the internal mosquito population in check. I tend to see theM, placidly sitting high on the walls, and I've even run into a couple of babies in he shower. They're welcome in our house, cause no damage and pose no threat save to the flying insect population. Even my enormous dog lets he, live in peace.

GE.

Thanks for the info guys, I may give Subic and Angeles a try in late January, Qatar fly LHR to CRK via Doha, reasonable times and fares good at the moment but I won't be booking this early.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1706825]I think that's a wrong interpretation Mogs (with all due respect).

My major concern about HIV is the huge number of Filipino seamen who work as OFWs and who visit ports in PNG and West Africa (to mention just 2) and then return home to dispense unwanted pasalubong to their wives, girlfriends, mistresses and assorted bar girls and masseuses.

The preference for unprotected sex with girls about whom one does not have a detailed history is fraught with risk. I suspect that many women in the population have no idea they are infected with any STD, especially those for whom there are no symptoms as yet.
[/QUOTE]I would add that call center workers are another transmission vector / high risk group. There were some studies done recently that got on the news here, if you read up on them (the studies, not the bullshit scare articles,) it's apparent that there is a lot of promiscuity and a lot of men that have sex with men within that demographic.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1707154]There are cockroaches of course, but you can add to global warming by using lots of Baygon etc.

And then there are fire ants. And you really don't want to get any near those little guys. A few of those on your leg and you would know about it very quickly. !
[/QUOTE]Also those tiny sugar ants are very very common here. Products like Baygon only provide a temporary solution. Terro Liquid Ant Killer (basically Borax and sugar water) is the best to use; available at True Value for p200. Like the roach baits, ants take the Borax back to their colony and it wipes out the entire colony. I place a few baits with a drop or two of the solution on them around my condo and refresh it monthly. No issues with ants for last 5 months I've been here.

As a preventative measure I also use an insect repellant whenever I'm out for a jaunt in the provinces. From the USA I brought along a few small spay bottle's of "Coleman Max 100"; the active ingredient is 98% DEET. As long I remember to use it before going out I've haven't had any issues with insect bites. Can't help where to find it here, but have seen other products like "OFF" on the shelves. Suggest picking the one with the highest concentration of DEET possible.

As to the weather for the time of the year the OP plans to visit, my forecast is: Crowdy with a strong chance of vaginal downpours and monthly blood slides; daily orgasmic eruptions are also likely.

Thanks everyone who has replied re: insects. I'll contribute later. So, no one's seen any 10" spiders or 7" centipedes?

How common are robberies? I'm guessing I should dress down? Buy a crappy phone? Fake wallet? Or is that going overboard? I mean, I've been in some real seedy areas in China and HK and never had an issue, but reading reports here.

Lastly, anyone here own a car in PH? Was thinking about picking up a used one for about 300 k or so. Lived in China for 5 years without a car and am itching to drive again. Am I going to have to worry about it getting stolen / stripped?

Holy crap that's a lot of questions. Please don't ban this noob.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707636]Thanks everyone who has replied re: insects. I'll contribute later. So, no one's seen any 10" spiders or 7" centipedes?

How common are robberies? I'm guessing I should dress down? Buy a crappy phone? Fake wallet? Or is that going overboard? I mean, I've been in some real seedy areas in China and HK and never had an issue, but reading reports here.

Lastly, anyone here own a car in PH? Was thinking about picking up a used one for about 300 k or so. Lived in China for 5 years without a car and am itching to drive again. Am I going to have to worry about it getting stolen / stripped?

Holy crap that's a lot of questions. Please don't ban this noob.[/QUOTE]Yes dress up and buy a flashy car, get a gold iPhone 6+ along with a fat wallet full of us $100 bills. You will fit in right away without any problems. Drench yourself with Old Spice cologne and the bugs and spiders will leave you alone.

P.S. Forgot to tell you to wear the thick gold chain necklace. The thicker the better so you don't lose it. Have a gold medallion on the chain with "ImAGuy" for easy identification, in case it is lost.

Keep your wallet in your front pants pocket or buttoned in somewhere. I use a money belt and only carry the amount I want to spend in that outing. Dress down but respectable: jeans, Tshirt or hawaiin shirt, sneakers ok. I wear shorts when its hot but some ISG members despise them maybe they have ugly legs I dunno. I use a cheap phone and be prepared to do a lot of texting because the Pinays have trouble maintaining sufficient call load. I had a car when I lived in AC but you don't really need one unless you live there. Lots of guys have motorbikes but I wouldn't ride one in Manila.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707636]Thanks everyone who has replied re: insects. I'll contribute later. So, no one's seen any 10" spiders or 7" centipedes?

How common are robberies? I'm guessing I should dress down? Buy a crappy phone? Fake wallet? Or is that going overboard? I mean, I've been in some real seedy areas in China and HK and never had an issue, but reading reports here.

Lastly, anyone here own a car in PH? Was thinking about picking up a used one for about 300 k or so. Lived in China for 5 years without a car and am itching to drive again. Am I going to have to worry about it getting stolen / stripped?

Holy crap that's a lot of questions. Please don't ban this noob.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707636]How common are robberies? I'm guessing I should dress down? Buy a crappy phone? Fake wallet? Or is that going overboard? I mean, I've been in some real seedy areas in China and HK and never had an issue, but reading reports here.

Lastly, anyone here own a car in PH? Was thinking about picking up a used one for about 300 k or so. Lived in China for 5 years without a car and am itching to drive again. Am I going to have to worry about it getting stolen / stripped?

Holy crap that's a lot of questions. Please don't ban this noob.[/QUOTE]Dg has correctly characterized your questions as analysis paralysis. You are worrying yourself to death over trivial things that can't be controlled and aren't major issues if you behave sensibly. His guidance is mostly ironic reference to things not to do. Basic guidelines: don't flaunt your Western possessions, get a cheap local phone (even a used one) after you arrive, and follow DC's suggestions for safeguarding money.

I personally wear Hawaiian shirts and chino pants, with real shoes rather than tennies. I might wear a t-shirt to a 7-11, but never out to a bar. I don't wear shorts because I have ugly legs, and because various expats have advised trying to look a little more upscale than the average Filipino. It is HOT in the Philippines, and because I sweat profusely I wear undershirts to soak up the sweat. I shower and change undershirts and underwear frequently. I always use underarm deodorant but never cologne. You may have trouble finding anything but spray deodorant, so bring your own if you use stick. Filipinas are extremely hygiene conscious; they shower multiple times daily, even when they have only cold water. They will think you are dirty if you attempt to conceal body odor with cologne. Visitors from some parts of the world have not yet figured this out, and many Filipinas avoid them as a result. Laundry shops are plentiful and cheap, turnaround is usually less than 24 hours, and using them helps the local economy. There is no reason to hold off changing clothes.

After you have been there a few days, if you want to look like you fit in, go to a department store, even SM, and ask the sales personnel to show you some "office barongs. " Dress barongs are gauzy shirts with long sleeves and fancy embroidery on the front, but they are for weddings, funerals, and special celebrations. Office barongs have slightly less elaborate embroidery on the front and short sleeves. They are usually in dark blues, tans, or grays. You will see the managers in restaurants and other businesses wearing them. I own several of them and would not hesitate to wear them out to a bar. As a Westerner you will stand out if you wear them and other mongers are wearing T-shirts. Expect to pay maybe 1500 to 2000 pesos for an office barong. That's a lot to pay for a first time visitor to the Phils, but once you figure out how GFE these women can be--and what wonderful sex partners they are, you will want to return, and then an office barong or two pays dividends.

Answers to most of your questions can be found by reading the forum. Dg is right; you really are getting yourself too anxious about this stuff. If you give off that you are this anxious on the streets or in the bars in the Phils, you will mark yourself as a newbie and a target for exploitation. Relax, read the f...ing forum, present yourself as confidently as you can in the Phils, and exercise common sense.

One last piece of advice: if you are so anxious that you post a series of questions about insects, then invest the $19.95 for a membership so people can send you personal messages that they might not want to air like public laundry.

Ship / D cups / DG/ others, thanks. I've just had a few Chinese friends warn me against going (they acted like PH is a war zone) and wanted to hear some other opinions. Will possibly live there for a few years.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707636]Thanks everyone who has replied re: insects. I'll contribute later. So, no one's seen any 10" spiders or 7" centipedes?[/QUOTE]No, haven't seen 7" centipedes. The ones that invade my place are about fourteen inches long. You ought to see the mandibles on 'them. But no worries. The giant rats eat them before they have a chance to bite off a finger while I'm sleeping.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707636]How common are robberies? I'm guessing I should dress down? Buy a crappy phone? Fake wallet? Or is that going overboard? I mean, I've been in some real seedy areas in China and HK and never had an issue, but reading reports here.[/QUOTE]They happen. The Yank boyfriend of one of my girl's was murdered outside a convenience store on Ocampo St in Manila about 3 years ago. One of my mates was pick pocketed near Amazonia; his wallet was in his leg's cargo pocket. I've had one mobile stolen from me in a resto bar and another taken out of my hands as I snoozed in front of my condo whilst waiting for a girl to turn up. Both of these thefts were my fault. When using the LRT / MRT and walking around dodgy areas like Binondo I move my wallet to my front pocket. I use an iPhone and a Samsung that I purchased second hand; I don't use them when using public transport. I don't dress down. Typically I wear what might be called "office casual", such as chinos, a long-sleeved linen shirt, and nice, polished shoes. I tell the girls who visit that I have to "go to work," when I need them to leave. And it certainly appears that way.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707636]Lastly, anyone here own a car in PH? Was thinking about picking up a used one for about 300 k or so. Lived in China for 5 years without a car and am itching to drive again. Am I going to have to worry about it getting stolen / stripped?[/QUOTE]Nope. If you live in a city it seems to me it's more hassle. Taxis are usually easy to find and jeeps are great for short trips. Parking isn't abundant. If you drink there's the risk of getting in an accident. Then you have the girl(s) wanting you to drive them around or pick them up. If you live in a condo you'll likely have to pay an additional monthly fee to park if it isn't included in your rent.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1707671]Forgot to tell you to wear the thick gold chain necklace. The thicker the better so you don't lose it. Have a gold medallion on the chain with "ImAGuy" for easy identification, in case it is lost.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=SkipKost;1707755]I always use underarm deodorant but never cologne. You may have trouble finding anything but spray deodorant, so bring your own if you use stick. [/QUOTE]All the men's deodorants are terribly scented. What smell is "sport"? A locker room is less malodorous. I use Dove's Whitening Unscented stick that can be purchased locally; the "whitening" bit will tell you it's for the birds, so look in that section. It's no revelation Pinays have a huge complex about dark underarms and labias, which they shave to better show off what they have a complex about.

[QUOTE=SkipKost;1707755]Filipinas are extremely hygiene conscious; they shower multiple times daily, even when they have only cold water. They will think you are dirty if you attempt to conceal body odor with cologne. Visitors from some parts of the world have not yet figured this out, and many Filipinas avoid them as a result.[/QUOTE]I think he's talking about Arabs and Indians. I wear a scent. I don't bathe in one. My reason for using it is to mask a girl's perfume on my shirts and pillow cases.

[QUOTE=SkipKost;1707755]Laundry shops are plentiful and cheap, turnaround is usually less than 24 hours, and using them helps the local economy. There is no reason to hold off changing clothes.[/QUOTE]Your places are better than mine; a one-day return is double the 3-day cost. I favour having a washing machine in my place because I can easily launder the towels, pillow cases and bed sheets, which I do every two days typically. The laundry shops are good but they tend to forget to pre-treat stains like lipstick. I usually pre-treat and launder my clothes and then send washed shirts and trousers out to be ironed. No savings whatsoever but eliminating the aggravation of ironing is well worth it.

Since it seems as if ImAGuy doesn't even have the $19.95 needed to join (and support) the forum, he probably won't have anything much worth robbing. I personally think that giving a lot of help and information to parasitic individuals just isn't right.

[QUOTE=David_33;1707911]Since it seems as if ImAGuy doesn't even have the $19.95 needed to join (and support) the forum, he probably won't have anything much worth robbing. I personally think that giving a lot of help and information to parasitic individuals just isn't right.[/QUOTE]I think you are missing the entertainment value from elaborate posts that some folks put together on what was otherwise a slow news day. ImAGuy was perhaps not the intended beneficiary for some of these posts.

[QUOTE=Gus69;1707456]Thanks for the info guys, I may give Subic and Angeles a try in late January, Qatar fly LHR to CRK via Doha, reasonable times and fares good at the moment but I won't be booking this early.[/QUOTE]I have a similar idea for next trip too in a same period, but I don't will book anything untill Sept. / Oct.
I think Qatar is a good option with a fly to CLR if I want try AC and avoid Manila.

[QUOTE=SkipKost;1707916]I think you are missing the entertainment value from elaborate posts that some folks put together on what was otherwise a slow news day. ImAGuy was perhaps not the intended beneficiary for some of these posts.[/QUOTE]David and Skip, perhaps you are correct but some of us are giving the guy the benefit of doubt. He does ask a lot of Qs that are already somewhere in this thread and yes, he would be wise to cough up the $20 for a subscription. BTW thanks to the respondents who aren't wearing shorts because they have ugly legs. Man, I hate to see ugly legs and crusty toes. Me, I have beautiful legs haha.

[QUOTE=David_33;1707911]Since it seems as if ImAGuy doesn't even have the $19.95 needed to join (and support) the forum, he probably won't have anything much worth robbing. I personally think that giving a lot of help and information to parasitic individuals just isn't right.[/QUOTE]I mostly agree, but his entomophobia and "analysis paralysis" endears him to me.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707777]I've just had a few Chinese friends warn me against going (they acted like PH is a war zone) and wanted to hear some other opinions.[/QUOTE]
Imaguy, a reason your Chinese pals may down on the Philippines is because over the past many years there have been several high-profile incidents such as kidnappings (Mainlanders, Taiwanese, and Chinoys) and a botched rescue of HK tourists that were covered far and wide in the Chinese press. I reckon the diplomatic spats over the West Philippine Sea and the shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman poaching in Philippine waters has done little to improve sentiment and enhance goodwill.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707777]Ship / D cups / DG/ others, thanks. I've just had a few Chinese friends warn me against going (they acted like PH is a war zone) and wanted to hear some other opinions. Will possibly live there for a few years.[/QUOTE]Even though you are not a paid member you have become entertainment value to the paid members. No doubt your Chinese friends have these educated opinions taught to them and no experiences of what they are talking about. I believe the Chinese have historically been taught China is far superior to the rest of the barbaric world. Hence other people and other countries. I will leave it at that.

Best advice to you is to always filter the advice you get. I am sure your friends have good intentions but they only know what they have been taught and don't know what they don't know.

If you really have a phobia about bugs then my apology for the remarks here. Then you should get some professional help for it.

War zone? You will get many answers for this question. There are some real war vets that have been in real war zones living here. I suppose to them Phils is pretty safe. There are low-life foreigners living here that I imagine feel safe. I suppose an Ivy league graduate might not feel safe unless they are tucked away in a Hi-so enclave where you would not even know what country you are in. Personally, I had a rude awakening on my first trip here, seeing the old run down buildings along with the financial poverty. For better or worse I was able to begin to understand the people and the culture and have made many trips here. Not sure if I would live here yet.

As for if Philippines is a war zone, I can only answer that I have not seen nor experienced any combatants here!

I was intrigued that she complained because he smelled of cigarettes. I would have thought body odor would have been much more offensive to a woman.

[URL]http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/indonesia/90044-indonesian-man-admits-murdering-woman-over-body-odor?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral[/URL]

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1707777]Ship / D cups / DG/ others, thanks. I've just had a few Chinese friends warn me against going (they acted like PH is a war zone) and wanted to hear some other opinions. Will possibly live there for a few years.[/QUOTE]Not to be a jerk, but it seems like either (a) you don't have much common sense (b) too impatient to do your own research (c) aren't very respectful and / or listen well. OR all or some combination of the three.

Look, spend the $20 on the subscription for the forum and it will allow you to PM people and shows the forum that you are somewhat serious and can read the hints people are telling you.

Awesome answer to an ignorant individual.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1708117]Even though you are not a paid member you have become entertainment value to the paid members. No doubt your Chinese friends have these educated opinions taught to them and no experiences of what they are talking about. I believe the Chinese have historically been taught China is far superior to the rest of the barbaric world. Hence other people and other countries. I will leave it at that.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1703346]If very reliable, high-speed, always-on internet service is a must for the country you choose to reside you ought to look at, according to 2014 global rankings done by Akamai Technologies, 3) Japan, 2) Hong Kong and 1) S. Korea. The Philippines ranked 49th. I'm amazed it ranked so highly.[/QUOTE]Hutsori,

I've been frequenting various coffee shops and using my laptop tethered to my mobile phone. I was shocked when I ran Ookla speedtest and the download speeds hit 20 Mbps and upload speeds of 10 Mbps (Bo's coffee at Glorietta 5). I think it was in the later evening. So less people were around as well.

The Seattle Coffee in Salcedo Village is much slower at around 6 Mbps, but still pretty good.

Ignorant? Damn. I am kinda ignorant. Thanks for the reminder.

And thanks to anyone who responded in detail.

[QUOTE=Random99;1708201]Hutsori,

I've been frequenting various coffee shops and using my laptop tethered to my mobile phone. I was shocked when I ran Ookla speedtest and the download speeds hit 20 Mbps and upload speeds of 10 Mbps (Bo's coffee at Glorietta 5). I think it was in the later evening. So less people were around as well.

The Seattle Coffee in Salcedo Village is much slower at around 6 Mbps, but still pretty good.[/QUOTE]Many things will affect data throughput. In my previous Makati condo, a building that was almost fully occupied, severe latency came at night when people were at home from work. For instance, from 7 pm to midnight it was impossible to watch a video on youtube uninterrupted. My current place is much better; it's also much less occupied and a very recent build. The OP was quite concerned about Internet QOS because he earns his livelihood using skype or other video chat apps. In Sept 2014 Akamai Technologies' [i]State of the Internet Report[/i] assessed the Philippines' average speed at 2.5 mbps; the world average then was 3.9 mbps. If you look over the conversation (beginning in Aug or Sept 2014) you'll see that pretty much everyone was telling the guy that he'd have to come to the Philippines to determine whether or not Internet speed was sufficiently fast and reliable enough for him to conduct business.

[QUOTE=Random99;1708201]Hutsori,

I've been frequenting various coffee shops and using my laptop tethered to my mobile phone. I was shocked when I ran Ookla speedtest and the download speeds hit 20 Mbps and upload speeds of 10 Mbps (Bo's coffee at Glorietta 5). I think it was in the later evening. So less people were around as well.

The Seattle Coffee in Salcedo Village is much slower at around 6 Mbps, but still pretty good.[/QUOTE]A month or so ago, in the middle of the day, I clocked a download speed of more than 30 at the Fairmont. Later in the day it was less than 10. I get similar, though less dramatic fluctuations in speed whether at home in Davao, or in my office in Ortigas. I get the same thing with 4 g speeds or even 4 g access. My guess is that there's not enough of a paid subscription base here to warrant the investment necessary for Smart or Globe to achieve greater consistency.

GE.

[URL]http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/461490/scitech/technology/phl-internet-still-among-slowest-in-apac-despite-speed-increase[/URL]

I've now been in country for about a year without leaving, and knew that I would have to get an "Exit Clearance" prior to going to Thailand in two weeks. Since I'd never had to go through this process before, I was somewhat curious how long it would take, but the whole thing was surprisingly efficient and I was in and out of the Immigration office in Davao within an hour, with clearance in hand, thumb prints and photo firmly affixed thereto.

I noticed, while there, that the country now offers six. Month Tourist Visas that are evidently there for the asking. I had thought that the longest possible renewal was three months, so whether this is something new or whether it has been available for sometime, I don't know. It's also clear that under current rules, anyone staying without leaving for more than six months is subject to the Exit Clearance requirement.

GE.

I rarely have used my credit card in the Philippines. I might have used it 2-3 times other than paying for hotels in my past visits.

Since I'll be staying here a while, I decide to use my card when I got something to eat. I glanced at my receipt and notice that they print the card number on the receipt with the expiration date! Luckily, this is a burner card for me with a low limit, but I guess I'll need to check daily.

Anyone ever had fraudulent credit card charges when using their card in PI?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1709850]

It's also clear that under current rules, anyone staying without leaving for more than six months is subject to the Exit Clearance requirement. [/QUOTE]Unless you have an SRRV or a Spouse Visa (13 (a)).

These are exempted from the ECC.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1709850]

It's also clear that under current rules, anyone staying without leaving for more than six months is subject to the Exit Clearance requirement. [/QUOTE]Unless you have an SRRV or a Spouse Visa (13 (a)).

These are exempted from the ECC.

[QUOTE=Random99;1709897]I rarely have used my credit card in the Philippines. I might have used it 2-3 times other than paying for hotels in my past visits.

Since I'll be staying here a while, I decide to use my card when I got something to eat. I glanced at my receipt and notice that they print the card number on the receipt with the expiration date! Luckily, this is a burner card for me with a low limit, but I guess I'll need to check daily.

Anyone ever had fraudulent credit card charges when using their card in PI?[/QUOTE]All of my CC transactions recently in both Manila and the province (about 11-2 transactions) showed 'XXXX' in place of the number. I don't recall the expiration date on the receipt. There were hotels, restaurants, stores in malls.

Others?

Regarding money exchange, I exchanged 7 times and got a low of 44.2 (Padre Faura), and a high of 44.45 (province), on the USD.

Here is a question for the experts on the frum. The little Sis of an Ex GF has just graduated from college and was the valedictorian. Studies hard and will begin in San Jose Recoleta in Cebu this June. However she is completely ignorant regarding what course to study. She wanted to study HRM but when she went to register some teachers (probably from the Psych department) told her she should study Psychology so she changed majors. I told her that maybe she should talk to someone who knows about career possibilities and which major would be most worthwhile for her. She has absolutely no idea, and it seems there is no such thing as career counselors available to her. So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595] So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]Forget about any future in the Philippines. I would recommend a class in Spousal Visa 101. Best way to further her financial goals at the expense of a nave elderly foreigner. Good luck.

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595]Here is a question for the experts on the frum. The little Sis of an Ex GF has just graduated from college and was the valedictorian. Studies hard and will begin in San Jose Recoleta in Cebu this June. However she is completely ignorant regarding what course to study. She wanted to study HRM but when she went to register some teachers (probably from the Psych department) told her she should study Psychology so she changed majors. I told her that maybe she should talk to someone who knows about career possibilities and which major would be most worthwhile for her. She has absolutely no idea, and it seems there is no such thing as career counselors available to her. So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]David, you indicate she's already graduated from college but I assume you meant high school since she's looking for a major subject.

HRM is the Major du Jour here, and seems to have supplanted Nursing as the most popular course. According to a former acquaintance who was the GM of one of the larger hotels in Davao, it's a fairLy useless major during which kids spend an inordinate amount of time learning to make beds, and insufficient time learning anything about actual management. Regardless of whether or not this is hyperbole, I think that HRM grads are, or soon will be a glut on the market. Having said that however, it's tough to spot any hot employment trends since this economy creates so few professional jobs relative to the number of young people entering the labor force each year.

Call center operations continue to generate thousands of some of the better paying jobs, but reasonable capabilities in spoken English appears to be the sole qualification needed, and even so, more than 90% of initial applicants for such work fail the proficiency exams. With the expansion of education here by another 2 years, Education may now be a viable career option, and I think that the salary levels of teachers has been raised recently, though Red Kilt would know far more about this than I. Civil and Software Engineering also seem like areas with some reasonable hopes of placement for graduates but this is an inference based on impressions rather than hard data.

GE.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1713726]Forget about any future in the Philippines. I would recommend a class in Spousal Visa 101. Best way to further her financial goals at the expense of a nave elderly foreigner. Good luck.[/QUOTE]The normal SB reply lacking in information, knowledge, or use. As in useless. We salute you SB. You seem to have cornered the market in this type of reply.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1713794] We salute you SB. [/QUOTE]You're welcome Freebie. It's been a while since you posted about banging six girls in one day. I hope your penile implant is still functional.

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595]Here is a question for the experts on the frum. The little Sis of an Ex GF has just graduated from college and was the valedictorian. Studies hard and will begin in San Jose Recoleta in Cebu this June. However she is completely ignorant regarding what course to study. She wanted to study HRM but when she went to register some teachers (probably from the Psych department) told her she should study Psychology so she changed majors. I told her that maybe she should talk to someone who knows about career possibilities and which major would be most worthwhile for her. She has absolutely no idea, and it seems there is no such thing as career counselors available to her. So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]Girls I know having in-demand careers locally with higher-than-call-centre salaries are those with STEM degrees (except nursing) such as programmers and accountants.

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595]Here is a question for the experts on the frum. The little Sis of an Ex GF has just graduated from college and was the valedictorian. Studies hard and will begin in San Jose Recoleta in Cebu this June. However she is completely ignorant regarding what course to study. She wanted to study HRM but when she went to register some teachers (probably from the Psych department) told her she should study Psychology so she changed majors. I told her that maybe she should talk to someone who knows about career possibilities and which major would be most worthwhile for her. She has absolutely no idea, and it seems there is no such thing as career counselors available to her. So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]Further to GE's response:

I am concerned that she "wanted to study HRM" since this is the cop-out area for most students who follow the crowd and / or don't have much of a track record of high achievement.
As GE said, there are literally thousands of HRM grads currently flooding the market with virtually useless pieces of paper.

I have no idea of her aptitude in certain subject areas but, as Huts says, if she has any inclination towards the Science, Technology, Engineering or Mathematics (STEM) areas then she should go down that route. San Jose Recoleta in Cebu is one of the better Schools in the Visayas in those subject areas.

Alternatively, Education will be a viable option for her as there is and will continue to be a shortage of teachers over the next decade.

Just as an alternative (and for others who might have similar questions to David's): I would suggest looking closely at the Tech-Vocational area as a focus, since the country desperately needs "technical" people in all areas. Students just have to get over the stigma attached in the past to studying at TVET level. It was seen previously as the area you study when you are too dumb to go to College / Univ. People who went into this area in the past 5 or so years are laughing all the way to the bank, as many have good jobs that will give them career progression, and they didn't need a lot of cash or 3 or 4 years to gain qualifications.

GE suggested there are few professional jobs available in the Philippines. This is not quite accurate, as there are plenty of jobs for new hirees.

Check out [URL]http://www.jobstreet.com.ph/[/URL] and see how many jobs are available in the Philippines for a variety of careers. Various Philippines Business Clubs are despairing at not being able to find people to fill these jobs. You can look at all the other job-seeking sites and see the same sort of statistics.

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595]Here is a question for the experts on the frum. The little Sis of an Ex GF has just graduated from college and was the valedictorian. Studies hard and will begin in San Jose Recoleta in Cebu this June. However she is completely ignorant regarding what course to study. She wanted to study HRM but when she went to register some teachers (probably from the Psych department) told her she should study Psychology so she changed majors. I told her that maybe she should talk to someone who knows about career possibilities and which major would be most worthwhile for her. She has absolutely no idea, and it seems there is no such thing as career counselors available to her. So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]With all due respect to your question and concern for her education. I have a much harsher view and responses.

1. If she is undecided and let's someone sway her, then I doubt if she has the desire and will power let alone motivation to make it. Maybe she is not ready for higher education! Possibly a 2 year stint at a low paying job might give her some goals before going on to college.

2. It seems like a degree is necessary to open some doors but she needs to know what doors she wants to open.

3. IMO whether in Phil or US it is almost total waste of money for higher education unless the student has some goals in mind. That is not saying the higher Ed is worth the money either.

4. If she wants to know where the future higher paying jobs are, she just needs to look around to see who has it and ask them how they made it.

If she just wants to follow the flow and see where ever life takes her then please disregard 1-4.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1713857]With all due respect to your question and concern for her education. I have a much harsher view and responses.

1. If she is undecided and let's someone sway her, then I doubt if she has the desire and will power let alone motivation to make it. Maybe she is not ready for higher education! Possibly a 2 year stint at a low paying job might give her some goals before going on to college.

2. It seems like a degree is necessary to open some doors but she needs to know what doors she wants to open.

3. IMO whether in Phil or US it is almost total waste of money for higher education unless the student has some goals in mind. That is not saying the higher Ed is worth the money either.

4. If she wants to know where the future higher paying jobs are, she just needs to look around to see who has it and ask them how they made it.

If she just wants to follow the flow and see where ever life takes her then please disregard 1-4.[/QUOTE]I disagree with the above within the context of the Philippines. Most decent jobs here, including short-term sales work in the major malls require some sort of tertiary degree. It's virtually impossible here to secure adequate employment if credentials are limited to a high school diploma. RK's suggestion regarding pursuing some sort of TVET certification is much more astute and accurate. This place has a dire shortage of skilled technical workers, and pursuit of technician-level qualifications is an excellent suggestion, and one that's likely to result in viable employment.

As to being "swayed" by the opinion of others, I think her desire to seek knowledge from those who are more experienced, and presumably more knowledgeable than she are to her credit. Career counseling here is virtually on-existent in any formal sense, and often life-long career decisions are made on the basis of the college curriculum that the parents can afford. Historically, children graduate from high school at age 16 or so; an age at which they cannot be expected to possess any extensive knowledge of career options.

GE.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1713857]
1. If she is undecided and let's someone sway her, then I doubt if she has the desire and will power let alone motivation to make it. Maybe she is not ready for higher education! Possibly a 2 year stint at a low paying job might give her some goals before going on to college.

[/QUOTE]Keep in mind this girl is the valedictorian, an honour indicative of her smarts, willfulness, and diligence. I think a lot teens will seek and heed the "expert advice" of educated elders, and young Filipinas tend to be quite deferential. Some may benefit from a gap year to work, but I think she needn't look far to see a lot of people working menial jobs and the lives they live. There are life-time earnings consequences of a 2-year finding-myself-and-my-goals delay. Plus, she may be surrounded by knuckleheads working such a job.

For a woman, who will eventually marry and have kids, having a career that provides a good income and provides family flexibility is desirable. Assuming one owns her own business being a dentist or a pharmacist allows a woman to maximise both.

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595]The little Sis of an Ex GF has just graduated from college and was the valedictorian. [/QUOTE]Such valedictorian titles etc have not much meaning, outside Philippines.

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595]So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]Did you use Decent Future and Philippines in the same sentence?

As of now, and near future, I see no hope for any job prospects, including doctors and lawyers and engineers.

As long as the country is t the control of the powers-be, who have crafted laws that only favour their own kind, and allow employment ads that specify height, weight, marital status, maximum age (yes, for doctors too they have started to state such stuff) there is not much hope in the country.

As for HRM, every other girl studies HRM, and then finds the jobs that are available are as waitress and tea maker in Singapore, Malaysia or even Middle-east.

As for nursing, those who study nursing, with the arm twisting of the politicians who have vested interest in hospitals, have been banned from taking in trainees- so nurses graduate, don't get training, and minus a minimum of 3 year training, most countries will not employ them as nurses. And the few who manage to pull strings end up working.

They end up as care givers in old folks home and such. Or the brave end up taking jobs in Libya, Africa and all, where, even there they are not paid more than 900 US $ or so.

Doctors? Well, that's an area that may work, if she can afford the 12 plus years of studies, graduation, finding a suitable hospital to do housemanship and then do the diploma etc, etc, and in Philippine system, set aside at least that amount of years, and it may be past 35+ before she can open a clinic, and hope she is not subject to any harassment. In Philippines, the robbers and thieves target doctors and such because they think the doctors and such are rich, and are not so untouchable.

And doctors, again, are not 'mobile' internationally. Only few of the Universities in Philippines are recognised and recognition doesn't mean a surgeon will get to work as a surgeon in Singapore, Malaysia or Brunei or elsewhere. They will start one level or more lower, and may stay for a few years there, before possibly getting recognised.

Call centers? It is a mini boom, that is slowly getting eroded, as the talented ones are moving overseas and the latest recruits have more than serious issues with English and comprehension.

IT engineers? Filipinos have been earning the ire of many country folks in South Asia and Middle east, accepting lower pay, than be jobless back home. But a few Filipinos manage to shine, and come up, though again, not in Philippines. It is always out of the country.

That's the scary part.

As to what career advice I would give?

Do what she likes, and be ready to switch / adopt, on what future demand brings. If she plans to stay in Philippines, go the general path. Nursing or HRM and then see what the future bring.

Or hope to find a job outside the country, based on what is in demand, and hopefully, with the right referrals, anchor herself firmly.

As a veteran visitor to SE Asia but have never been in PHIL (but have fucked many Filipinas in Singapore), wanted to make some naive observer comments, veterans, don't laugh too hard:

-Security: I had never seen a real sawed-off shotgun before but there were all over Bacolod city and Manila (airport area and mall of Asia). I wonder if those guys know how to use those guns or maybe the shells are blanks. My taxi driver said "in PHIL we have lots of security but no security" hahaha. I need to get one of those sticks they use to look in your bag. The only perk. Having the lady security pat me down (I always tried to head over to the girls). "is that a cucumber in your pocket or are you happy to see me honey?" I asked for a full search. No luck.

-Rules: Staying at the new Hyatt city of dreams I figured, a US based hotel. Should be great. The rooms are nice, the staff are nice but too many freaking rules. Took my GFs kids to the pool, first was told they had to have cotton bathing suits, went to the mall, got them, came back, nope they need spandex suits. So which is it. If the guy I was taking to wasn't built like the hulk, I would have argued with him (they did finally get to swim).

-No soap: Public bathrooms often had no soap. I shook about 2000 hands in Bacolod and got to Manila and kaboom. Travelers diarrhea. I ate what everyone else ate (but maybe I ate someone no one else ate haha).

-Wechat very useful in places like Bacolod city. Prices are cheaper and no limits. I was able to get daytime and nigh time house calls for fun times. And the visitors didn't even ask for $, no mention of it. But of course, I offered the right thing to do. (1000 P).

-Airport: Yep, the WiFi station in T2 is crappy. No WiFi. But I learned the trick. You listen for a flight that is boarding and put THAT flight number into the username (a Filipino taught me that while sitting there). I think it was slower than dial-up (I was waiting for that annoying modem noise).

-Mall of Asia: Yum yum. If GF hadn't been with me would have been a buffet for me, sales girls, shoppers, giving that long look and smile. Oh well, I had the runs anyway. But the Sunday crowd was WOW. All the ladies coming from church in their Sunday best.

-L'Fisher hotel Bacolod city: Best hotel in town. 2 stars at best, WiFi 5 mbs, was told they would give me a "special" login, boosted up to 10 mbs. Wow.

-Manny pacquio signs everywhere. I was told he has many GFs. You think honey?

Anyway, this forum has been a big help to me guys so thanks.

GG

Guys, I don't mean to be argumentative at all. I respect all of your views. I think first of all I / we need to know what or how much is a decent income she is looking for to provide herself a decent future to give you an appropriate responses. And does she have any areas of interest, knowledge or talent(s)? Is she shy or more outgoing? Can she lead?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1713972]Guys, I don't mean to be argumentative at all. I respect all of your views. I think first of all I / we need to know what or how much is a decent income she is looking for to provide herself a decent future to give you an appropriate responses. And does she have any areas of interest, knowledge or talent(s)? Is she shy or more outgoing? Can she lead?[/QUOTE]With all due respect Dg, I think we have given David enough food for thought for his ex-gfs valedictorian little sister.

It's up to her now.

I wouldn't attempt to advise her on a specific future course; we have provided enough ideas for them to take this issue further.

As GE says, she is probably too young to know what she wants to do anyway, and, as we all know with today's global graduates, they rarely end up doing the job that they trained for anyway.

Thanks for all the excellent advice and comments. I have passed it all on to her (removing names of course). My feeling is that she obtained the valedictorian title by working hard and doing a lot of memorizing. I'm afraid that any sort of analytic problem solving is most likely absent in the High School curriculum. I hope that she will be able to make a better decision thanks to the information you have provided.

Most people have no idea what they want to do in life. I'm 26 and have a degree but still have no idea, aside from fucking women everyday. Most people just end up settling with a job that pays the bills.

Going to school for something you aren't into, aren't sure of and can't make money in is just a waste of cash.

Manny Pacquiao made lots of pesos tonight for doing very little so he loss in the ring but won with his wallet. He'll be back home soon to pay his taxes (maybe) and continue on with his job as a politician. Man is far removed from the time he whack out Ricky Hatton, he's now a shell of his former self.

[QUOTE=RunMann;1715453]Manny Pacquiao made lots of pesos tonight for doing very little so he loss in the ring but won with his wallet. He'll be back home soon to pay his taxes (maybe) and continue on with his job as a politician. Man is far removed from the time he whack out Ricky Hatton, he's now a shell of his former self.[/QUOTE]Run Mann, are you Floyd?

[QUOTE=RunMann;1715453]Manny Pacquiao made lots of pesos tonight for doing very little so he loss in the ring but won with his wallet. He'll be back home soon to pay his taxes (maybe) and continue on with his job as a politician. Man is far removed from the time he whack out Ricky Hatton, he's now a shell of his former self.[/QUOTE]Filipinos insist if Floyd didn't keep running away or hugging, Manny would have won.

Alas, the statistics on the number of punches landed and connected show Floyd is the true winner.

I've been with my Filipina partner in Bangkok for the past several days. It's her first time here, and though we've been together to Hong Kong and Singapore, she looked on both of these as "rich," so the discrepancies between the living standards and infrastructure of those cities and the Philippines impressed her, but didn't shock her very much. Her Thailand experience has been different though, and she's been consistently astounded at the huge differences she's seen between Bangkok and Manila, particularly since she understands that most of the major infrastructure: the elevated highways, the SkyTrain the subway to name but three, have all been constructed within the last 15-20 years as has the airport.

The immediate basis of comparison for her was the airport. I think we had to walk about 1. 5 km in Manila Terminal 3 to get to our "gate" so we could walk down some steel stairs and across the tarmac to our plane. There were two 20 meter or so people movers, but of course they were not working. The distance from the gate to Immigration in Bangkok was longer, but covered by literally hundreds of meters of people movers. The insights began then.

It's been interesting, if somewhat depressing to watch my Filipina confirm for herself how totally behind is the country that she loves. She's an intelligent woman who has witnessed now first hand what's possible with a competent government committed at least in part to economic development. It's been interesting as well to watch her interact with Thais who have continuously asked her to compare the two countries.

GE.

I hope you don't find too good of a French restaurant GE, we may loose you. The big thing I noticed last time I was in BKK, or didn't notice I should say, was the smell of diesel smoke and all the trucks. Apparently the trucks run at night and most of the taxis run on LNG.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1715537]It's been interesting, if somewhat depressing to watch my Filipina confirm for herself how totally behind is the country that she loves. She's an intelligent woman who has witnessed now first hand what's possible with a competent government committed at least in part to economic development. It's been interesting as well to watch her interact with Thais who have continuously asked her to compare the two countries.

GE.[/QUOTE]A lot of Delusional Filipinos believe Marcos was the best president ever, as most of the infrastructure in PH is during his time.

Of course, they forget the billions he spent on useless stuff, like the Nuclear Power Plant and Imelda's obsessions. Coconut palace et. al.

My two cents worth.

I put two women through short technical training courses.

One was a secretarial course, and one was computer course.

On completion, both immediately got permanent jobs, and as far as I know, they still have, almost 10 years later.

I sponsored one woman through a degree in HRM, ignorant of the potential outcome. She studied hard, got good grades. I spent more money helping her through job interviews. She still does not have a job, 5 years later. It is a useless bit of paper.

Maybe with some tech training, or post grad, she could find a job.

Just keep in mind that until very recently, the Philippines school system was 10 years. This means that their ordinary degree program is about equivalent to a trades course in Australia, certificate level 3. There are exceptions. UP, Feati, Ateneo, maybe Sto Tomas.

G

[QUOTE=David_33;1713595]Here is a question for the experts on the frum. The little Sis of an Ex GF has just graduated from college and was the valedictorian. Studies hard and will begin in San Jose Recoleta in Cebu this June. However she is completely ignorant regarding what course to study. She wanted to study HRM but when she went to register some teachers (probably from the Psych department) told her she should study Psychology so she changed majors. I told her that maybe she should talk to someone who knows about career possibilities and which major would be most worthwhile for her. She has absolutely no idea, and it seems there is no such thing as career counselors available to her. So what majors would you guys recommend in order for possibly having a decent future in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1715464]Run Mann, are you Floyd?[/QUOTE]Are you Manny?

[QUOTE=Sam14;1715545]I hope you don't find too good of a French restaurant GE, we may loose you. The big thing I noticed last time I was in BKK, or didn't notice I should say, was the smell of diesel smoke and all the trucks. Apparently the trucks run at night and most of the taxis run on LNG.[/QUOTE]No worries Sam, I have too many solid ties to and obligations in the Philiipines. That said, if I could choose any country in SE Asian in which to live, it would be here IN Thailand.

GE.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1715489]Filipinos insist if Floyd didn't keep running away or hugging, Manny would have won.

Alas, the statistics on the number of punches landed and connected show Floyd is the true winner.[/QUOTE]That's what Floyd does in every fight so why would they expect him to be different this time? Manny knew this and was supposed to overwhelm Floyd with his speed and power but he couldn't get it done. All in all, Manny seem very content even after the loss, might have something to do with that big pay day he made.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1715537]It's been interesting, if somewhat depressing to watch my Filipina confirm for herself how totally behind is the country that she loves. She's an intelligent woman who has witnessed now first hand what's possible with a competent government committed at least in part to economic development. It's been interesting as well to watch her interact with Thais who have continuously asked her to compare the two countries.

GE.[/QUOTE]Was watching a programme about the Vietnam war the other night with my pinay. She watched it intensely as it covered the war, the destruction of the country and its rebirth to the current day. She commented on how her country has stood still and Vietnam despite all the madness looks to be thriving and vibrant compared with where she comes from.

Same experience as you GE when I take the pinays to BKK as well as the richer ASEAN nations. The tour guide spoke about free schooling until 18 ears old. This amazed her when she heard it and asked the guide if it was true.

In some ways it is depressing to see the lights turns on and they realize what has not been happening in their country for so long and how much opportunity has been missed (or as she said " why should Manny pay taxes as the politicians will take it and won't be used for my parents benefit".

[QUOTE=RunMann;1715640]That's what Floyd does in every fight so why would they expect him to be different this time? Manny knew this and was supposed to overwhelm Floyd with his speed and power but he couldn't get it done. All in all, Manny seem very content even after the loss, might have something to do with that big pay day he made.[/QUOTE]My girl sent me a note. I wish my man would hug me like Mayweather when we fight.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1715770]In some ways it is depressing to see the lights turns on and they realize what has not been happening in their country for so long and how much opportunity has been missed (or as she said " why should Manny pay taxes as the politicians will take it and won't be used for my parents benefit".[/QUOTE]If the lights turn on and the Philippines kicks out the Americans once and for all, undoes a few centuries worth of Spanish religionism, and rediscovers and embraces their inner Asian. Then witness what's possible.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1715489]Filipinos insist if Floyd didn't keep running away or hugging, Manny would have won.

Alas, the statistics on the number of punches landed and connected show Floyd is the true winner.[/QUOTE]Filpinos in general have challenges in accepting that a person, other than the one they chose could win.

My Filipina wechat friends in China have been messaging up a storm saying "how could a cheat win like that. ".

I suggested that their guy didn't win, the other guy won, and its not like Filipino election where upon announcing the winner, the opposition cries that it must have been bought, due to "black propaganda, "squid tactics " and that a TRO would be sought forthwith to reverse the result.

A few sane (nearly sane) Filipinas agreed that in general Filipinos have a hard time accepting a result that didn't go their way.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1715566]. . . I put two women through short technical training courses.

One was a secretarial course, and one was computer course.

On completion, both immediately got permanent jobs, and as far as I know, they still have, almost 10 years later.

<SNIP > [/QUOTE]That's what I said in Post 9105 Gangles.

I am glad you reinforced my view.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1715833]Filpinos in general have challenges in accepting that a person, other than the one they chose could win.

My Filipina wechat friends in China have been messaging up a storm saying "how could a cheat win like that. ".

I suggested that their guy didn't win, the other guy won, and its not like Filipino election where upon announcing the winner, the opposition cries that it must have been bought, due to "black propaganda, "squid tactics " and that a TRO would be sought forthwith to reverse the result.

A few sane (nearly sane) Filipinas agreed that in general Filipinos have a hard time accepting a result that didn't go their way.[/QUOTE]There is also some pictures of the judges scorecards doing the rounds on Facebook (where all pinays get there news!) showing ("proving") that Pacman was cheated and he really won.

One day pinays will wake from their dream land and realize the world has passed them country by. Sad really as they are nice people but so naive at times. This happen mainly when you take one or more overseas so they can see the real world (as I have done a few times).

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1715828]If the lights turn on and the Philippines kicks out the Americans once and for all, undoes a few centuries worth of Spanish religionism, and rediscovers and embraces their inner Asian. Then witness what's possible.[/QUOTE]Not sure that you can ascribe the massive corruption, dynastic politics, incompetence and indifference of the government to the Americans. The fact is, this place has simply never created mechanisms for effective governance.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1715537]
It's been interesting, if somewhat depressing to watch my Filipina confirm for herself how totally behind is the country that she loves. She's an intelligent woman who has witnessed now first hand what's possible with a competent government committed at least in part to economic development. It's been interesting as well to watch her interact with Thais who have continuously asked her to compare the two countries.
GE.[/QUOTE]There was a period from the late 70's to 2005 when I'd visit at least once a year, often more. It was disconcerting to arrive at the airport and see the same luggage trolleys over and over again for X peso fee. It got progressively worse as you leave the airport and drive into town. Everyone has seen the changes throughout the rest of Asia. I frankly don't know why but it is very very sad.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1715828]If the lights turn on and the Philippines kicks out the Americans once and for all, undoes a few centuries worth of Spanish religionism, and rediscovers and embraces their inner Asian. Then witness what's possible.[/QUOTE]I agree with GE that you can't blame the Americans for the woes of this country as the overt corruption etc in is bred from birth.

As to your comment Golfinho. Pigs will fly first, bacon will be served in all cafes in Saudi Arabia first, man will land on Mars first. Basically that will never happen in a lifetime of Sundays as he families that effectively run the country won't let it. The irony is that the government prides itself on good governance and has conferences on the subject, blow its trumpets about how great they are in this area and no one believes them except their cronies.

The Philippines needs USA investment and protecting from China as it can't defend itself. So the Americans are not going home any time soon.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1716055]There was a period from the late 70's to 2005 when I'd visit at least once a year, often more. It was disconcerting to arrive at the airport and see the same luggage trolleys over and over again for X peso fee. It got progressively worse as you leave the airport and drive into town. Everyone has seen the changes throughout the rest of Asia. I frankly don't know why but it is very very sad.[/QUOTE]And those airport trolley charges. The right to charge was given to an ex General of the Philippines Army who said he was going to donate a certain percentage of the fee to charity. Well, you can imagine which charity that went to.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1715828]If the lights turn on and the Philippines kicks out the Americans once and for all, undoes a few centuries worth of Spanish religionism, and rediscovers and embraces their inner Asian. Then witness what's possible.[/QUOTE]Really? Have you been here? The Filipinos could not organize a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in a forest! The worst part is that they don't think they should.

They have decades or generations of abhorrent culture leading to almost complete abject failure and they sit there and accept their fate, few even try to get ahead, they complain about the government but not to loudly and they do nothing to improve themselves and you blame the Americans? I am a Canadian that important to know but the Pinoys have no one to blame but themselves. They are who they are because they chose and allowed it.

My Great Grandsons will be fucking pinays for the same relative rates only what I have noticed in the last 8 years is they are getting fatter and fatter.

I have staff there and they can not follow clear simple written instructions, they are truly a stupid people because they are so lazy, so completely lazy, that they have literally forgotten what it takes to succeed, I am not sure they ever did. No Culture I have ever encountered can play stupid like a pinoy!

It takes forever to create a successful mindset IF you can even find a mind worth investing in. And I only deal with university grads and my teenager is both more capable and more mature.

I thought I found a keeper GF here but she is either a huge liar or stupid, I really can't decide the worst part is she treats me like I am one of her stupid friends because she is surrounded by stupidity but of course she is not aware because stupid is there norm and I am tired of thinking about it, I thought this one was different HA HA HA!

There are of course exceptions to the rule and typically they are unattractive women, and I employ a couple of GREAT people there.

Come here fuck them be honest for your own self worth and leave your sperm and cash and go home, don't even think about helping or changing them, it simply drains your life force.

PP.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1715566]My two cents worth.

I put two women through short technical training courses.

One was a secretarial course, and one was computer course.

On completion, both immediately got permanent jobs, and as far as I know, they still have, almost 10 years later.

G[/QUOTE]You know this is an interesting viewpoint. Technical schools are more to the point and typically prepare you for the role. I mostly deal with university educated and now tha tI think about it, they simply are not smart enough for worldly thoughts but the few with technical training are much more valid and down to earth.

They should abolish unis but then such a large useless for profit business would die.

I will keep this observation in my head on my next trip!

PP.

"There are of course exceptions to the rule and typically they are unattractive women, and I employ a couple of GREAT people there. ".

PP, I wasn't going to respond to your post but it bothered me enough that I'll react briefly. I have two major problems with the major assumptions on which the thinly veiled racism reflected in your diatribe is based:

First, you confuse "stupid" with a lack of opportunity for intellectual development which is, sadly, so characteristic of the culture. Multiple posts have been written about the utter failure of the educational system to nurture critical thinking skills. I won't belabor the point other than to restate that the public education system here lacks quality learning materials, computers, science labs and well trained teachers: virtually all of the educational accoutrements that most of us take for granted. This country spends, on average, about $220 a year per capita on public education. In the developed world we spend approximately $10,000-$12,000. Other countries in ASEAN, aside from Singapore spend in the range of $1,500-$2,500. So, public education in this place is hardly fertile ground for intellectual development. This dearth of opportunity however is not synonymous with "stupid. ".

In the field of logic, there are no exceptions to a rule, but I think the point you're making is that you've met a few "intelligent" Filipinos. I've been here now for more than eleven years and have worked with dozens of local professionals who are at least as good as anyone with whom I've ever worked in the developed world, and perhaps in some cases better. Some have earned their Ph. The. S or Masters Degrees abroad, but the majority have done their graduate work at UP Diliman or Ateneo. It's unfortunate that obviously your experience doesn't include the pleasure of working with this echelon of professional Filipinos, but I assure you it exists.

For me, your post was inaccurate and lacking in factual substance.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1717246]"There are of course exceptions to the rule and typically they are unattractive women, and I employ a couple of GREAT people there. ".

PP, I wasn't going to respond to your post but it bothered me enough that I'll react briefly. I have two major problems with the major assumptions on which the thinly veiled racism reflected in your diatribe is based:

First, you confuse "stupid" with a lack of opportunity for intellectual development which is, sadly, so characteristic of the culture. Multiple posts have been written about the utter failure of the educational system to nurture critical thinking skills. I won't belabor the point other than to restate that the public education system here lacks quality learning materials, computers, science labs and well trained teachers: virtually all of the educational accoutrements that most of us take for granted. This country spends, on average, about $220 a year per capita on public education. In the developed world we spend approximately $10,000-$12,000. Other countries in ASEAN, aside from Singapore spend in the range of $1,500-$2,500. So, public education in this place is hardly fertile ground for intellectual development. This dearth of opportunity however is not synonymous with "stupid. ".

In the field of logic, there are no exceptions to a rule, but I think the point you're making is that you've met a few "intelligent" Filipinos. I've been here now for more than eleven years and have worked with dozens of local professionals who are at least as good as anyone with whom I've ever worked in the developed world, and perhaps in some cases better. Some have earned their Ph. The. S or Masters Degrees abroad, but the majority have done their graduate work at UP Diliman or Ateneo. It's unfortunate that obviously your experience doesn't include the pleasure of working with this echelon of professional Filipinos, but I assure you it exists.

For me, your post was inaccurate and lacking in factual substance.

GE.[/QUOTE]Give PP a break. He is Canadian. Canada only produces hookers and hockey players. Don't waste your time trying to educate either.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1715566]My two cents worth.

I put two women through short technical training courses.

[/QUOTE]Gangles. Your mail-box is full so you cannot receive the PM you requested of me.

GE,

I could not agree more.

My experience has been similar to yours, working with, and employing, very well educated and very intelligent Filipinos.

And they earned their money. I typically paid about 50,000 to 60,000 per month, and it was always good value for money.

G

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1717246]"There are of course exceptions to the rule and typically they are unattractive women, and I employ a couple of GREAT people there. ".

PP, I wasn't going to respond to your post but it bothered me enough that I'll react briefly. I have two major problems with the major assumptions on which the thinly veiled racism reflected in your diatribe is based:

First, you confuse "stupid" with a lack of opportunity for intellectual development which is, sadly, so characteristic of the culture. Multiple posts have been written about the utter failure of the educational system to nurture critical thinking skills. I won't belabor the point other than to restate that the public education system here lacks quality learning materials, computers, science labs and well trained teachers: virtually all of the educational accoutrements that most of us take for granted. This country spends, on average, about $220 a year per capita on public education. In the developed world we spend approximately $10,000-$12,000. Other countries in ASEAN, aside from Singapore spend in the range of $1,500-$2,500. So, public education in this place is hardly fertile ground for intellectual development. This dearth of opportunity however is not synonymous with "stupid. "..[/QUOTE]

I was interested in your lady's observations.

I had a similar experience, but a bit different.

I recently took my lady to Malaysia, Borneo.

Her first remarkable observation was. No guns.

Second, no cars parked on sidewalks.

Interesting and interested.

G

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1715537]I've been with my Filipina partner in Bangkok for the past several days. It's her first time here, and though we've been together to Hong Kong and Singapore, she looked on both of these as "rich," so the discrepancies between the living standards and infrastructure of those cities and the Philippines impressed her, but didn't shock her very much. Her Thailand experience has been different though, and she's been consistently astounded at the huge differences she's seen between Bangkok and Manila, particularly since she understands that most of the major infrastructure: the elevated highways, the SkyTrain the subway to name but three, have all been constructed within the last 15-20 years as has the airport.

The immediate basis of comparison for her was the airport. I think we had to walk about 1. 5 km in Manila Terminal 3 to get to our "gate" so we could walk down some steel stairs and across the tarmac to our plane. There were two 20 meter or so people movers, but of course they were not working. The distance from the gate to Immigration in Bangkok was longer, but covered by literally hundreds of meters of people movers. The insights began then.

It's been interesting, if somewhat depressing to watch my Filipina confirm for herself how totally behind is the country that she loves. She's an intelligent woman who has witnessed now first hand what's possible with a competent government committed at least in part to economic development. It's been interesting as well to watch her interact with Thais who have continuously asked her to compare the two countries.

GE.[/QUOTE]

I have spent allot of time there in the past 8 years likely 350 + days interacting with primarily Degree and up, the educational system has a little impact on whether one is stupid or not. You are born and raised smart or not.

Education and a university only allow you an opportunity to LEARN new things and do not impact upon your cognitive capability. Their culture and ideals are what make them stupid.

In a country of 93 million I know there are exceptions and at those wages you are dealing with the CREAM OF THE CROP boys, the TOP 1 - 2 percent.

And the Cream of the CROP aint the normal peson on the street.

With regard to my being racist I have OBSERVED these facts it is not racist to report them.

I am there in May and I would LOVE to meet those professionals superior to a Canadian Professional.

As I have written in the past there is one exceptional lady in Manila that is indeed superior to most of her ilk here. 1 in 10's of thousands!

PP.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1717268]Give PP a break. He is Canadian. Canada only produces hookers and hockey players. Don't waste your time trying to educate either.[/QUOTE]WE should meet at the rink in MOA! Hopefully you skate!

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1718412]WE should meet at the rink in MOA! Hopefully you skate!

PP.[/QUOTE]Sorry but your superior educated guess is wrong. I am not Canadian. I am an American, which makes us far more superior than Canadians. I could take your rant and substitute Canadians for Filipinos but I won't.

Please help me understand why (bakit) do you stay or have business here if you have so many issuses here?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1718489]Sorry but your superior educated guess is wrong. I am not Canadian. I am an American, which makes us far more superior than Canadians. I could take your rant and substitute Canadians for Filipinos but I won't.

Please help me understand why (bakit) do you stay or have business here if you have so many issuses here?[/QUOTE]I wondered the same thing, I suppose the answer is that, cultural and ethnic contempt notwithstanding, it's just easier to get laid here with pretty young women. Apparently his contempt for the people and the culture has been subordinated to the sex drive.

I also found it amusing to be lectured about the difference between "education" and "intelligence," as if his conclusions were some sort of novel revelation. My point, which I guess PP didn't quite grasp, was merely that the system of public education here is so inadequate that it fails utterly to develop the intellectual potential of its enrollees; with some exceptions, the same is true of tertiary institutions. That there's so little return here for the investments in public education is primarily attributable to the fact that there's so little investment in education.

As to the ludicrous notion that Filipino professionals could not possibly perform at the same or perhaps a higher level than Canadians of comparable levels of education, experience and training, I just giggled. I am, by training and education a social science researcher, and I've worked with statisticians at Ateneo who were, by any measure, better than my major professors in graduate school. I've collaborated with some Social Science profs at UP Diliman whose grasp of theory and its application within the context of the culture of the Philippines was far superior to that of the USA --and yes, Canadian--professionals with whom I've worked here. Are these folks anomalies? Yes they are, but only because highly intelligent, abnormally competent people are anomalies everywhere.

The bottom line for me is that if your perceptions are filtered through a screen of blatant ethnocentrism your perceptions will invariably be incorrect. It must be difficult walking around day by day so full of contempt.

GE.

PP is a PP, but I didn't see the post where he suggested DG8787 was Canadian. He suggested meeting at the skate rink. I'm also American, but can't skate unless I have a big stick, a big black puck, and some angry looking dude who bearing down on me. Hopefully, he isn't Canadian. LOL.

This is getting a bit silly, but please go on gentlemen. X.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1718489]Sorry but your superior educated guess is wrong. I am not Canadian. I am an American, which makes us far more superior than Canadians. I could take your rant and substitute Canadians for Filipinos but I won't.

Please help me understand why (bakit) do you stay or have business here if you have so many issuses here?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1718586]

This is getting a bit silly, but please go on gentlemen. X.[/QUOTE]I agree X, it's time to move on and I'll have nothing more to say on the subject. Maybe see you eventually in Davao?

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1718585]

. . . . I've worked with statisticians at Ateneo who were, by any measure, better than my major professors in graduate school. I've collaborated with some Social Science profs at UP Diliman whose grasp of theory and its application within the context of the culture of the Philippines was far superior to that of the USA --and yes, Canadian--professionals with whom I've worked here. Are these folks anomalies? Yes they are, but only because highly intelligent, abnormally competent people are anomalies everywhere.[/QUOTE]I think you and PP are in agreement GE.

He actually said that [I]"In a country of 93 million I know there are exceptions and at those wages you are dealing with the CREAM OF THE CROP boys, the TOP 1 - 2 percent. And the Cream of the CROP ain't the normal person on the street".[/I]

This 1 - 2% constitute GE's anomalies.

From my experience working here I suggest that we are all on the same page. The outstanding filipino individuals (PP's cream of the crop), whether working in academia or just plain civil servants, are as good as people we would find anywhere else in the world. I think 1 - 2% might be too high a number though for these "anomalies" in a population close to 100 Million souls but I am only guessing.

Sitting here sweltering through yet another "rotational brownout," which is a euphemism for: "we haven't invested anything in any infrastructure in 20 years and have no plans to do so. Ever. " Many Filipinos in Mindanao think inadequate supplies of electricity are normal everywhere and some appear genuinely surprised to here that it's not normal even in many other SE Asian countries. I love the people here, but the place is utterly hopeless.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1718927]Sitting here sweltering through yet another "rotational brownout," which is a euphemism for: "we haven't invested anything in any infrastructure in 20 years and have no plans to do so. Ever. " Many Filipinos in Mindanao think inadequate supplies of electricity are normal everywhere and some appear genuinely surprised to here that it's not normal even in many other SE Asian countries. I love the people here, but the place is utterly hopeless.

GE.[/QUOTE]During the Maywether / Pacquiao fight, there were warnings to temporarily disconnect fridges and aircons to avoid a brownout during the fight.

You still see several diesel generators around during a brown-out. I am a little suprised that Solar hasn't taken off there yet.

[QUOTE=Switched;1719030]During the Maywether / Pacquiao fight, there were warnings to temporarily disconnect fridges and aircons to avoid a brownout during the fight.

You still see several diesel generators around during a brown-out. I am a little suprised that Solar hasn't taken off there yet.[/QUOTE]To introduce solar here would have two economically undesirable effects from the standpoint of those who own the country. First, it would weaken the virtual monopoly on the supply of electric power that some of the families enjoy. Two, it might reduce the cost of electricity, now the highest or second highest in Asia, further diminishing profits for connected families.

GE.

GE, you are getting crankier these days.

In retrospect, should poor nations have invested in telephone poles as the cell phone technology was taking off?

Should countries invest billions in coal, gas, or nuclear power plants in order to power pachinko parlors and heated toilet seats (Tokyo), or gambling casinos and gaudy neon lights (Las Vegas), or. ?

The lack of power is a problem in an extremely uncomfortable climate like philippines. I'm not so fond of AC, but I like to have an electric powered fan on days / nights of heat and humidity.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1718927]Sitting here sweltering through yet another "rotational brownout," which is a euphemism for: "we haven't invested anything in any infrastructure in 20 years and have no plans to do so. Ever. " Many Filipinos in Mindanao think inadequate supplies of electricity are normal everywhere and some appear genuinely surprised to here that it's not normal even in many other SE Asian countries. I love the people here, but the place is utterly hopeless.

GE.[/QUOTE]

Yesterday was Friday, which meant for me that it was time to take my weekly flight from Manila back to the relative sanity of Davao. Though the airport has not and likely never will improve, it's gotten slightly easier for me to manage since I've reconciled myself to senior citizen status, and decided to take full advantage of the priority services offered to those flying under the aegis of that flag. The major advantage is that I don't wait in line for anything. Rather, I just head to the front, say the magic words "senior citizen and am whisked promptly through with no obvious resentment from others waiting patiently in the queue. If you've got to get old, maybe the Philippines is the place to do it.

I wound up with about an hour to kill prior to boarding, and as I hadn't eaten breakfast, decided to hit one of the snack places to get some coffee or have a Coke Zero. I shared a table with another American; a man slightly younger than I, who has spent the last 15 years or so in Bangkok. He told me he's relocating to Siargao, which he thinks is beautiful and extremely well managed. I was struck my his perceptions that, despite the government corruption, lack of infrastructure, and general incompetence associated with public services, the Philippines was desirable simply because its people are more gracious and much more accepting of foreigners than are Thais. He said that regardless of the amount of time spent in country, and regardless of one's fluency in the language, at the end of the day, we are, and will forever remain "fareng. " Both of us agreed that this is not the case here in many instances and rarely to that extent.

I found it interesting that despite Thailand's obvious advantages in infrastructure, food and general efficiency, he still prefers to live here.

GE.

I was browsing on Internet and came across details of six brothels in Berlin that for US $ 140 (100 Euro, or about Peso 6000) offer all inclusive accommodation, drinks and.

As many rounds as you like with a number of girls from 4 PM till dawn.

With bar fines rapidly rising in Philippines, add in airfares and accommodation and drinks, looks like it is slowly pricing itself out of the market?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1719080]To introduce solar here would have two economically undesirable effects from the standpoint of those who own the country. First, it would weaken the virtual monopoly on the supply of electric power that some of the families enjoy. Two, it might reduce the cost of electricity, now the highest or second highest in Asia, further diminishing profits for connected families.

GE.[/QUOTE]You are right, the old Spanish dynasties that run the country will never allow new entries into the market. Unless, of course, they can collect their toll.

Foreign names are rare in the Philippines unless they are franchises or pay tolls to the dynasties. Power, retail, transport, politics are all under their tight control.

Example on retail pricing cartel:

Prices of a standard set basket of electrical appliances cost US $ 5630 in Manila, US $ 4190 in London (inclusive of 20% VAT), US $ 3960 in New York, US $ 4300 in KL according to a UBS bank survey.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1721386]

Foreign names are rare in the Philippines unless they are franchises or pay tolls to the dynasties.

[/QUOTE]Foreign names like Henry Sy, Lucio Tan, Andrew Tan, John Gokongwei? And the list goes on and on. Heck, Pres. Aquino's maternal grandfather is a Cojuangco.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1721930]Foreign names like Henry Sy, Lucio Tan, Andrew Tan, John Gokongwei? And the list goes on and on. Heck, Pres. Aquino's maternal grandfather is a Cojuangco.[/QUOTE]Spanish and Chinese DYNASTIES!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1721376]I was browsing on Internet and came across details of six brothels in Berlin that for US $ 140 (100 Euro, or about Peso 6000) offer all inclusive accommodation, drinks and.

As many rounds as you like with a number of girls from 4 PM till dawn.

With bar fines rapidly rising in Philippines, add in airfares and accommodation and drinks, looks like it is slowly pricing itself out of the market?[/QUOTE]There are several different kind of legal shops in Germany. The kind you described may sound a good deal, but in general the "girls" will be rather long in the tooth and certainly not SYTs. More like hausfraus trying to make a living. This type of establishment will have a limited number of girls. Too get PI-type quality SYTs, you would need to go to an FKK. , where in the best there will be a wide selection of girls, types, nationalities, etc. There, admission would run 50€-75€ ($57-$86 USD), and 30 minute sessions would run 50€-60€ ($57-$69 USD) plus 25€-100€ ($29-$114 USD) for extras such as CIM, Swallowing, or Greek. Bar is typically non-alcoholic. Sometimes but not always you can buy booze. A simple buffet is included. Accommodations are not available.

You just can't really replicate the pinay GFE experience with anything but a pinay.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1722146]Spanish and Chinese DYNASTIES![/QUOTE]Yep, and only those who are firmly anchored in the Country, and very few ever made it up to the top, During Marcos times or after.

Almost all the rich oligarchs, who are the real movers and shakers, and the biggest landlords, only become more powerful in Ph, after Edsa.

Cory, instead of removing them, danced to their tunes and made the country even poor, by letting the oligarchs get away with anything.

Example, why the heck is Manila congested and beyond hope, but, the current president loves the idea of another airport, in Manila, instead of upgrading Clark (actually there is a good runway already in Clark, all it needs is a terminal and good transit to Manila) . Because, the biggest landlords of Manila want everything in Manila, and they always force their hands, so instead of addressing the issue of runways, President Aquino is close to approving another terminal for NAIA.

And only in Philippines, the landlords are so powerful, even Highways have to detour.

I am sure, Hutsori, you know why there is no straight road? And why there are so many private gated areas and the traffic has to divert? And why instead of resolving the traffic and transport, it only gets worse?

Heck, nobody, I mean, nobody goes against the movers and shakers.

How else can the country become poor and poor, while there are more and more malls being built? Malls which use extremely unfair labor practices specifying height, weight, age etc, for a cashier job.

And if anybody protest against one of the 'families' it is one of the opponents puppets.

In fact, "activists" are all paid by one family or other, to keep the heat on somebody else.

Ah, for that matter, remember the Princess of Stars sank, and took a thousand souls (don't forget the world's biggest peace time maritime tragedy. Dona Paz) the owners of the shipping company, who sent Dona Paz to a fiery grave and also another ship, were never even penalised, and got away with offering 25,000 peso compensation, which they haven't paid till date, because the courts found no liability, for the Dona paz, as it was the other tanker's fault, per paid judges, and the owners refused to admit liability, and the court agreed.

And when there was pressure to shut down the owners, GMA herself wanted to, but was advised otherwise, lest the economy of the country will suffer, as the owners of Sulpicio lines are very important to trade in Philippines or whatever.

And anybody who went against one of the rich families. See what happened to GMA herself, when she wanted to remove the 60/40 ownership.

The 60/40 ownership was put in place by Marcos, supposedly to protect Filipino businesses. But actually to protect his friends, and then Cory onward. Pretending to protect the local businesses, only made the law firm.

Do you recall Fedex being kicked out, and the few thousand jobs lost, apparently to protect the Filipino businesses? That's Philippines.

The few thousand jobs don't matter, what matters is the Filipino pride is upheld.

And likewise, the Zamabales Congressman threatened to commit suicide, if the Americans came back, as he fiercely said Americans are evil, but in reality, he feared the Americans will want to take back some of the infrastructure they left behind, infrastructure that has been distributed within the rich and powerful, or partnered with some foreign company with the foreigner putting most money, and one of the rich having majority share (60/40).

And that's why new businesses or small industries can never come up.

If you get successful, one of the congressman, or senator will want a share, and if you are a foreigner, they will find a way to take over your business.

If you are a local, they will find a way to shut your business down, quoting some spurious violation, while the likes of the Ken Tex with zero fire exists, thrive. As they have the right people in their pocket.

In essence, Philippines will continue to export more and more, malls will be built to suck the money, and. The rich will get even richer, the poor will get even poorer (ah, OFWs? Do you know what they teach returning OFWs? They are taught stuff like how to run a sari-sari shop, coffee business, food cart, and likes, never a helping hand to let them setup something that will grow. No. Not possible.).

And for the masses, they are happy hearing about Kris Aquino being scolded by foreigners, and how Ding Dong Dante's wife is pregnant, and which woman President is romancing, and about another actor, who is reminiscing his past loves. Or his past sex partners. By media controlled by one of the families, while the news of the 72 killed in the fire becomes second page news.

And for the output of the universities, influenced by the tele-dramas and such, all showing rags-to-riches stories, and letting the young fantasize that it is real life (can't blame 'them because of the poverty.).

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYjfT7uIRIQ[/URL]

Sorry for the rant.

Fastpiston: the quality of the electrical items you find in Philippines is not even 1/10th of the quality of what you see in KL or BKK, and they cost premium prices.

Shopping in SM? 90% of the clothes have horrible stitches, but are promoted and the masses living on the remittance economy love SM. (SM is opening it's 53rd mall think. Soon).

[QUOTE=Ebauche;1722153]
You just can't really replicate the pinay GFE experience with anything but a pinay.[/QUOTE]It's often forgotten that a pinay is often "all-in". They are there for hours, not 30 minutes inc shower time.

I visited the Swiss version of FKK and had a wonderful night but did spend A500 about P18,000 for the evening.

Can certainly make P18,000 go a longer way in AC.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1722146]Spanish and Chinese DYNASTIES![/QUOTE]You realise that Henry Sy, Lucio Tan, Andrew Tan and many others were born outside the Philippines and started their businesses after WWII, in some cases decades after independence. Their histories are far different from that of the dynastic Zobel de Ayala's. Looking at Asia it's rare to find an Occidental surname running a business empire in Japan, Korea, China, etc. It's pretty much the Fujian Chinese and a few Indians who have found success in Asia beyond their homelands. In Asia it seems it's the Philippines (Zobel de Ayala, Aboitiz) and Hong Kong (Keswicks) where some European surnames still exist as prominent, dynastic business leaders.

Sadly for the Philippines there are few industrialists on its list of billionaires; most have made their fortunes in retail, real estate, and food & beverage.

Louis Paul Heussaff and Rajan Sadhwani are less notable, i.e. non-billionaire, foreign business leaders who have thrived in the Philippines. The community of prosperous Sindhis in the Philippines tells me that foreigners can and do flourish.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1722745]Louis Paul Heussaff and Rajan Sadhwani are less notable, i.e. non-billionaire, foreign business leaders who have thrived in the Philippines. The community of prosperous Sindhis in the Philippines tells me that foreigners can and do flourish.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents is, anybody who is not a Ayala, Zobel, Tan, or Sy, to Gokongwei, or. Such uber big, can only go to a certain level.

If and when they threaten the dominance of the oligarchs, a way will be found to trim the tails of the intruder.

If nothing, then evidence can be manufactured about wrong doings, and it can be convincing enough to warrant your bank accounts to be seized and business frozen.

Happens a lot, but not much hits the news stands.

Latest. License of Sea Air (the reincarnated Sea Air. Owned and run by Airline professionals) and Sky Jet, as they were challenging the dominance of PAL and Cebu Pacific.

Well, even Chinese / Chinoys are not immune to the constant threat of shut down. By fellow Chinoys.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1722758]My 2 cents is, anybody who is not a Ayala, Zobel, Tan, or Sy, to Gokongwei, or. Such uber big, can only go to a certain level.

[/QUOTE]If the Philippines is as static as some believe then it would be only the long-established dynastic families such as the Tuason family running the show - it is the only family elevated to noble status by Spanish royal decree, quite a feat by a Chinese immigrant. At the start of the 20th century the Tuasons were at the pinnacle. Today, the Tuasons are certainly a prosperous and powerful family, yet they have been overtaken by 1st generation upstarts such as the Tans and Sys. If things are so locked up how could this happen?

Today where are the Gorrichos and the Pardo de Taveras? Do you know what happened to the tycoon Vicente Madrigal's estate? Where is Ynchausti y Compania? We all know of the Zobel de Alayas, yet who knows of the McMickings? The dilution of oligarch power and wealth was in large measure due to feuding amongst heirs; in such cases it's the lawyers and judges who benefit. For example, Vicente Madrigal died in 1972, and his 7 children battled 23 years to sort out an imperfect settlement. In 2012 disputes over some estate holdings were still unresolved, and at that time 6 of 7 original heirs were already dead. The disputes persist for generations. The heirs' attention is on each other and not on business, and the marketplace's gaps and seams are found and won by others. Henry Sy did nothing revolutionary; he merely bought some shoes from the US, built on his success expanding to stores and then malls, yada yada. As the founders of the Sy and Tan empires pass it'll be interesting to see what transpires. Will this hold true: the first generation makes it, the second generation spends it, and the third generation blows it. That the Zobel de Ayalas and the Cojuangcos have thrived through the generations is remarkable.

Let's not think the Philippines is controlled by Insulares, Chinoys and Mestizos exclusively. Don Antonio Floirendo, the "Banana King" from Davao, started as a kutsero (horse-drawn carriage driver) and later founded his agricultural business in 1950. Manny Villar, real estate mogul and politician, came from a lowly family living in Tondo. And there are many more.

The subject of speeds has been discussed before but another survey on Asia ranks the Philippines above Afghanistan and states it is the most expensive (which I believe) There are was to improve speed as some have said (Pip J for one) but the speeds and costs combination makes it a poor deal.

Friend who come to Manila a lots was in Seoul the other week and the comparison was so different and shocking.

[URL]http://kickerdaily.com/philippines-ranks-second-slowest-in-asia-for-internet-download-speed/[/URL]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1723323]The subject of speeds has been discussed before but another survey on Asia ranks the Philippines above Afghanistan and states it is the most expensive (which I believe) There are was to improve speed as some have said (Pip J for one) but the speeds and costs combination makes it a poor deal.

Friend who come to Manila a lots was in Seoul the other week and the comparison was so different and shocking.

[URL]http://kickerdaily.com/philippines-ranks-second-slowest-in-asia-for-internet-download-speed/[/URL][/QUOTE]In a recent survey that I saw summarized on FaceBook today the Philiipines was ranked dead last. It's like every other bit of infrastructure here and the fact is no one cares.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1723383]In a recent survey that I saw summarized on FaceBook today the Philiipines was ranked dead last. It's like every other bit of infrastructure here and the fact is no one cares.

GE.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that the ones who matters do not care but for a few of my fuckbuddies having lived abroad and who operates internationally they do care a lot. Infact they are quite embarressed in how fast phils is slacking behind countries they should've been able to compare themself with. They can view it on a weekly basis as they have stopover in huge modern cities globaly and according to them (and myself ofcourse) it is not a pretty sight. A frase often heard is "what can I do about it". Ofcourse moving again is an option I lay out for them. But for these speciments as they have grabbed hold of rather, in phil standards, popular jobs (cabincrew) and have their base at NAIA. Moving is not an option until something opens up in other crewbases (airlines hub I e).

For the more homely girliecrowd (most of them ofcourse in my fleet) they don't know anything else than "clogged or slow moving systems"and probably don't view it as so bad. Ofcourse when they are with me they can hear my frustration when a porn video won't stream fast enough or I curse the much hated traffic and the disfunctional airport (the latter two my favorites). But unlike them I can go home soon. I have great compassion with them.

Harvard has given the green light to mongering and / or wanking.

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11617397/An-orgasm-a-day-could-keep-prostate-cancer-at-bay.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1723383]In a recent survey that I saw summarized on FaceBook today the Philiipines was ranked dead last. It's like every other bit of infrastructure here and the fact is no one cares.

GE[/QUOTE]Sorry, you got that wrong.

Some news title said "Philippines Doesn't have the slowest Internet speed" and they published some report that says Afghanistan is the slowest.

A proud moment it was, for the Philippine Telcos (who were on record saying that internet is an optional service and not bound by any SLA).

And more interesting news.

[URL]http://m.inquirer.net/newsinfo/?id=692910[/URL]

And then.

[URL]http://opinion.inquirer.net/74517/teenage-pregnancy-among-todays-filipino-youth[/URL]

On the subject of job prospects.

Of late, I met a few Pinay nurses.

Nurse 1: Qualified as a nurse, worked as a Construction company quantity surveyor, looking for a job as a QS in Singapore. Couldn't tell her Singapore wants QS with qualification in QS. When her pass was rejected, she was not happy saying she has a degree, and what is wrong with Singapore, why they don't have compassion. Etc. Etc.

Nurse 2: Qualified as a nurse, working as a nanny, and moon lighting as a hooker in a famous Pinay bar. She was adamant that she will get back to her nursing career.

Alas, didn't have the heart to tell her that the fact that she qualified as a nurse, but worked as a nanny is a big no-no for Singapore hospitals. They need nurses who worked as nurses.

Nurse 3: Again, qualified as a nurse, and worked in Singapore as a old folks home care taker. Trying very hard to get back into nursing track. Alas, all her applications are rejected (Nursing home care takers get paid about 1,000 S $ - plus food and lodging, not bad vs being unemployed back home).

Nurse 4: Again, qualified as a nurse, worked for an American as an accountant in Philippines, and now trying hard to get a nursing job in Singapore. As she is open enough. With her Singapore nursing experience, she wants to move to Canada. Alas, as in above examples, Nursing board in Singapore is pretty choosy, and with a large pool of nurses to select from, they discard those who did work in non-nursing jobs.

Nurse 5: Qualified as a nurse, and with no chance for training / experience, volunteered in the Philippine Navy Hospital for a year, and then, based on her working with "NAVY" she was 'head hunted' and landed in Libya, and only recently got out of Libya.

She is job hunting in Singapore, but, with her Libyan Experience not documented, Singapore Nursing board is not so keen on her.

So there you go.

You can qualify as an engineer, and work as an accountant, you can qualify as an accountant and work a a legal assistant et al, in your own country.

Once you go overseas, the buyers are getting more choosy and with lower and lower pay scales and people willing to work (especially those from Philippines) the chances are vanishing.

For comparison, Nurses from India are paid upwards of 2,500 $, for Filipino Nurses, starting is 1,800 $ - more or less the agents have decided that at 1,800 $ there are hundreds lining up to join.

In light of GE's interesting and for some relevant FR on the absurdity of the license plate situation where those wishing to work (and pay taxes) can't work for lack of a license plate etc this article was amusing (in truth it would be if the situation was not so incompetent and ridiculous).

As GE said, a person could end up selling a car with no plate maybe years after the car was purchased!

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2015/05/24/1458111/editorial-changing-light-bulb[/URL]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1724917]
As GE said, a person could end up selling a car with no plate maybe years after the car was purchased!
[/QUOTE]Haha. Really? Almost 2 years I'm still waiting. But who's going to buy my vehicle in Davao if my plates are eventually supposed to go to the dealer in region 7?

[QUOTE=Sam14;1725007]Haha. Really? Almost 2 years I'm still waiting. But who's going to buy my vehicle in Davao if my plates are eventually supposed to go to the dealer in region 7?[/QUOTE]Just illustrates, as I've said many times before, that this is a country in which nothing ever works very well for very long. I realized about 8 weeks ago that my car was due for its annual registration. So I contacted the lady who usually handLES.

LTO-related matters for me, gave her the paperwork and the money. I still don't have the new registration. Why? Well it turns out about 11 months ago or so a CTV caught me doing something I shouldn't have done, and I promptly paid the fine for which I have a receipt, which I gave to her. Evidently though the crack LTO hasn't yet recorded that the fine has been paid despite the fact that I can prove it has been. Just part of the theater of the absurd that is this country.

GE.

I was thinking of bringing some small gifts for the girls when I return to AC in August. Any suggestions? When mongers bring clothing, what size would fit most. I usually go for the spinner type of a body.

They all love candy. You can buy clothes for them there if you care to.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1725207]I was thinking of bringing some small gifts for the girls when I return to AC in August. Any suggestions? When mongers bring clothing, what size would fit most. I usually go for the spinner type of a body.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1725025]GE.[/QUOTE]Saw some news that the LTO has been marking up the plate cost by 50 peso, needlessly. Equating to 400 million peso. To their own slush fund?

Well, I don't blame the LTO head honchos, being under paid, had to find ways to stash away funds I guess, a-la the AFP and PNP secret retirement funds.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1726142]Yep! And there's no shortage of punters either. Guys are flying from across the globe to fuck mediocre pinays for that price you mentioned. It's like that in Bangkok also. Plane Janes with stretch marks getting top dollar![/QUOTE]Don't listen to this rubbish and IT IS RUBISH!

Here's more garbage.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1726402]For AUD 110 - 160, you can get ST with a girl in any Australian brothel. This will include DFK, BBBJ, DATY and one pop. Time will be limited to 30 minutes, but that's all you need. For a USD 100 tip, you can get full service at an AMP in most Californian cities. GBP 170 at Phoenix Club (formerly Lady Marmalade) in London will get you 2 hours of banging with 6 gorgeous Eastern European babes.

What is the USP of Makati girls? Stretch marks, lousy attitudes and a hint of anger? If plane loads of gullible men are landing at NAIA to pay these crazy prices, then that's their choice. A fool and his money.[/QUOTE]This is pure bullshit. A fool needs 30 minutes and he can have it w / the lowest product available. Go for it fool!

$100 for full service at a California AMP is utter bullshit. Why these guys have to put down anonymous punters is unknown to me. Maybe these two are the same guy, regardless, they are full of shit!

They are lower than the stretched marked workers they put down, freakin low life do nothings. Where is your worth to this planet? The stretch mark bitches are making punters happy. WTF are you doing to make the world a better place? Let's hear about that! All I hear from you two is put downs! STFU please, like forever!

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1725207]I was thinking of bringing some small gifts for the girls when I return to AC in August. Any suggestions? When mongers bring clothing, what size would fit most. I usually go for the spinner type of a body.[/QUOTE]I bring Sees Candy suckers and sexy lingerie.

The candy is for whoever, front desk, maids, BGs, etc.

The lingerie is for the ladies and I test drive it on them before they take it home.

Victoria Secret, Frederick's of Hollywood are my main sources but you can find cheap fishnet stockings etc at sexy clothing shops everywhere. I like fucking them in it (and I do, then slowly remove one item at a time :)) and they love it when I give it to them. Both these stores have panty sales all the time. Buy 7 panties for $4,00 each, affordable, and they look great.

These are great gifts and easy on the wallet.

The same teddy on 4 different BGs. The last lady, a Burgos BG took it home. On future trips I won't give the teddys so easily, I'll keep it for more use, it was over $40 bucks lol. I am a sucker for these good hearted BGs. I miss all these BGs.

[QUOTE=Socker;1726425]Don't listen to this rubbish and IT IS RUBISH!

Here's more garbage.

This is pure bullshit. A fool needs 30 minutes and he can have it w / the lowest product available. Go for it fool!

$100 for full service at a California AMP is utter bullshit. Why these guys have to put down anonymous punters is unknown to me. Maybe these two are the same guy, regardless, they are full of shit!

They are lower than the stretched marked workers they put down, freakin low life do nothings. Where is your worth to this planet? The stretch mark bitches are making punters happy. WTF are you doing to make the world a better place? Let's hear about that! All I hear from you two is put downs! STFU please, like forever![/QUOTE]In the bay area, there are 120/160 AAMP houses. $120 for half hour is possible. The women are Chinese, a crapshoot because photos are not real. But it is possible to fuck for around $120. Check back page.

[QUOTE=Socker;1726447]I bring Sees Candy suckers and sexy lingerie.

The candy is for whoever....front desk, maids, BGs, etc.

The lingerie is for the ladies and I test drive it on them before they take it home.

Victoria Secret, Frederick's of Hollywood are my main sources but you can find cheap fishnet stockings etc at sexy clothing shops everywhere. I like fucking them in it (and I do, then slowly remove one item at a time :)) and they love it when I give it to them. Both these stores have panty sales all the time. Buy 7 panties for $4,00 each, affordable, and they look great.

These are great gifts and easy on the wallet.

The same teddy on 4 different BGs. The last lady, a Burgos BG took it home. On future trips I won't give the teddys so easily, I'll keep it for more use, it was over $40 bucks lol. I am a sucker for these good hearted BGs. I miss all these BGs...[/QUOTE]Haha. Nicely done. Beats the Roaming Gnome!

[QUOTE=Socker;1726447]I bring Sees Candy suckers and sexy lingerie.

The candy is for whoever....front desk, maids, BGs, etc.

The lingerie is for the ladies and I test drive it on them before they take it home.

Victoria Secret, Frederick's of Hollywood are my main sources but you can find cheap fishnet stockings etc at sexy clothing shops everywhere. I like fucking them in it (and I do, then slowly remove one item at a time :)) and they love it when I give it to them. Both these stores have panty sales all the time. Buy 7 panties for $4,00 each, affordable, and they look great.

These are great gifts and easy on the wallet.

The same teddy on 4 different BGs. The last lady, a Burgos BG took it home. On future trips I won't give the teddys so easily, I'll keep it for more use, it was over $40 bucks lol. I am a sucker for these good hearted BGs. I miss all these BGs...[/QUOTE]Nicely done Socker.

I found a website called [URL]dealextreme.com[/URL]. They have very cheap slutwear on their site. Normal maids outfits, schoolies, stckings, some latex and spandex copy materials, teddys. I have an order for a few articles supposedly on the way. If it works, great. If if doesn't work due to customs of different countries etc, no big deal. .

[QUOTE=Socker;1726425]Don't listen to this rubbish and IT IS RUBISH!

Here's more garbage.

This is pure bullshit. A fool needs 30 minutes and he can have it w / the lowest product available. Go for it fool!

$100 for full service at a California AMP is utter bullshit. Why these guys have to put down anonymous punters is unknown to me. Maybe these two are the same guy, regardless, they are full of SHITTTT!

They are lower than the stretched marked workers they put down, freakin low life do nothings. Where is your worth to this planet???? The stretch mark bitches are making punters happy. WTF are you doing to make the world a better place????? Let's hear about that! All I hear from you two is put downs!!!!!!! STFU please, like forever!!!!!!![/QUOTE]No need to get personal here. I said that for a $100 tip (on top of the $50 massage fee) you can get ST full service at a number of Californian AMPS. I have, many times both in SF and LA. Your immigration department has seen fit to allow 1000's of Chinese women into your country and many are happy to service punters for that amount. Next time you are in San Francisco, go for a walk around Chinatown and see what your country has to offer (before you start bad mouthing contributors). You might be surprised.

The 30-minute production line sex works fine for 1000's of men in Australia. Married western women hate having sex after 40, so a man getting a quick release in a ST brothel is fine. They don't necessarily want to run off with an uneducated Pinay from Mindanao as they lose their lives, their assets and family in the divorce. At least we have legalised prositution in Australia. Apart from Nevada, where else do you have legal brothels in your country smart ass??

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1726508] where else do you have legal brothels in your country smart ass??[/QUOTE]LOL, I think it's called the institution of marriage!

Has any one see this scam?

I got an email from someone and it goes like this.

[quote]Hi Sir.

This is Jessie from the Philippines. I can help you find a filipina girl to marry. I am attaching the photos of Marilou, my sister. She is 27 years old. Cute and petite. You can have her for $75,000,00.

I hope you consider. Marilou can marry you then. I will arrange meeting wedding and relocation with Marilou.

If interested, please contact me at phone. Number?[/quote]

But he did send some nice photos so I was thinking I would share them.

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1727956]Has any one see this scam?

But he did send some nice photos so I was thinking I would share them.[/QUOTE]Gee. Price inflation. 3. 375 million php doesn't buy what it used to.

That is a HARD sell at 27 years old!

1335 EWR's at 2500 php or 3. 65 years of daily fun here in Angeles (before the prices go up again).

I think I know where my money is better spent.

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1727956]Has any one see this scam?

I got an email from someone and it goes like this.

But he did send some nice photos so I was thinking I would share them.[/QUOTE]Maybe the girl and the picture are real and the guy does trust you to do the right thing. (No pun intended).

And if you have spent time in Philippines, too many TV shows glorify the rags to riches stories, of girls who found a extremely rich husband and became rich and prosperous, through hard work (Don't ask me how much hard work is involved once the girl marries a rich guy. Or even reasonably well off guy, vs PH Standards).

They all have brain washed enough girls and family members to firmly believe there are lot of foreigners running around with a lot of money with their sole intention of marrying a poor filipina and uplifting her family in the process.

So I was ask him if her had lady from 18 to 23 years old and bigger tits.

This is what he send me.

And this one to.

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1728374]And this one to.[/QUOTE]Hope he has lots more "sisters" to share pictures of! To be fair, for older ladies, they're quite decent.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1728414]Hope he has lots more "sisters" to share pictures of! To be fair, for older ladies, they're quite decent.[/QUOTE]Yes I know what you are thinking, Did I ask him if he has more lady, and he has.

So I was get more photos.

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1727956]Has any one see this scam?[/QUOTE]With that Cesarean section scar, not even worth it in pesos. The look of squalor in the room is priceless. I bet Jessie and her would be holy terrors if they managed to get their meat hooks into some lonely unsuspecting poreiner. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain.

He send me this one to.

[B]Visa[/B]

I got a 1 year in and out Visa from the Philippine embassy. It was $100 and allows for a 2 month stay without an extension. It will probably be useful for me as I might take a few trips outside PI.

(I have no intention of getting anything but a tourist visa.).

[B]Money, banks etc [/B]

I believe there have been several posts about this, but I setup both a Schwab account and an HSBC Premier account before I arrived to the Philippines.

Schwab: Free ATM withdraws – I don't have a huge amount with Schwab, so I'm being judicious using this account. I've read that Schwab sometimes kills small accounts without notice.

HSBC Premier: Unless you have a stash of cash laying around, you'll probably need to put some of your investments with them as the minimum is $100 K. Their process is pretty cumbersome as well.

Banking in Philippines: No need to wait until you have your lease or residency. They will use your main Premier address instead of a local address. (This might be handy for someone who does a lot of traveling back and forth.) 2 accounts are opened: (1) USD (2) PHP. It's a one way transfer system, so you have to be careful not to send too much USD to PHP. You can't transfer the money in reverse (PHP back to USD). It takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks and then you pick the paperwork / card up at the branch.

(I brought cash as well.).

[B]Temporary Housing while finding a long-term lease[/B]

I booked a 1 bedroom suite at a long-term discounted rate with a hotel that specializes in corporate housing. This was definitely an expensive way to go. The benefits were that it gave me flexibility to extend my dates rather easily, but paid a premium. I was a little worried about some of my things and I wanted to have a hotel safe: expensive camera, many bank / credit cards, cash etc.

A cheaper avenue would have been AirBNB or another equivalent site. I was worried about having a safe though. It seems some of the nice AirBNB building may have a front desk safe available. This is what the flight attendant told me about the Rockwell.

Unfortunately, having too much flexibility made me procrastinate the apartment search some. Perhaps, I would have been more aggressive with my timeline.

[B]Permanent Housing search (this took 1+ months, but should have been much faster)[/B]

This was pretty daunting and I wasn't really sure where to start. I probably should have taken a less extensive method as I probably missed out on a pretty nice apartment.

I surfed the internet and found a couple different corporate real estate sites. It seemed like they have a pretty extensive listing of all the condo buildings in Makati / BGC / Ortigas (I decided ahead of time that I wanted to be in the nicer part of Manila). I proceeded to make a list of all the buildings and 1 by 1 run a google search on each building to find (1) available rentals (2) more details about the actual condo building. Any ads and information, I then cut and pasted into excel with the hyperlinks to the ads.

This was very tedious and took me much longer than expected. When I was doing this, I dreaded it and procrastinated it for days at a time.

I finally started to email / text responses to the ads and looking at different apartments. I probably looked at 15+ different apartments with 4 different agents. It's a less structured real estate market with respect to agents. Anyone can list / show the apartments and work with the owner. There isn't an exclusive listing agent. Additionally, they didn't seem to keep the ads up to date (some places were not available although the website said they were).

I did find an apartment that I really liked and did get a price lower than the listing. I made a reasonable offer and added a couple things at the owner to make the offer attractive. Obviously, it's a case of interest in the condo in my favor. If there were tons of other offers pouring in, I don't think I would have received a lower price and then would have gone with backup condo options.

I think this is pretty obvious, but every person is going to make an apartment decision based off their individualized preferences and budget. I won't go into too many other details since my preferences were pretty unique / customized.

Thanks to all who gave me pointers and feedback earlier.

[B]Postscript[/B]

While things can be backwards and not efficient here, I've not let it bother me and just accepted that's how things are. I guess just go with the flow instead of getting all worked up.

Additionally, I think I'm done with the bar girl scene. For me, there are enough other things to keep me busy / entertained and I'll use the dating sites, but be very selective on whom I meet. The thought of being here an extended period of time puts things in a different perspective.

Anybody have experience with these folks? I registered with them and so far I have 20 interests and lots of conversations. IN LESS THAN 1 DAY.

Usually, I do Thailand but I'd like to try somewhere "different". I'm not afraid of being played, just don't want to waste a whole lot of time.

[QUOTE=Issaquah;1726711]LOL, I think it's called the institution of marriage![/QUOTE]Yeah but then there's "DIVORCE" where the fuc. King you GET is for the fuc. King you GOT. Boats, airplanes and WOMEN. It's cheaper to RENT.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1729941]Anybody have experience with these folks? I registered with them and so far I have 20 interests and lots of conversations. IN LESS THAN 1 DAY.

Usually, I do Thailand but I'd like to try somewhere "different". I'm not afraid of being played, just don't want to waste a whole lot of time.[/QUOTE]It's a legit site. As for the women they range from legit to dodgy. I like that PL allows its ladyboy members to identity as such because a member can specify the genders allowed to view his account; if a ladyboy can't see you she can't message you. The hassle with the site is as a standard, non-paying member a male, and only a male, is limited to sending 1 message every 10 minutes; paying members are unrestricted. After establishing contact shift to email, chat app or SMS to get around PL hamstringing you.

The best way to avoid wasting time is to be direct in your profile; use it as a filter to eliminate those who aren't interested. If your profile is all about love, LTR and marriage, and this is a misrepresentation of what you really want, you will get a lot of messages and interests, and the consequence for you is time wastage. Yes, some girls won't read the profile before sending an interest or a simple "Hi" message, and this can be followed up by you replying: "Have your read my profile and do you understand what I'm looking for?" Proceed with those who reply affirmatively.

Another way to gain efficiency it to ignore girls who are far from where you'll be staying. Unless you willing to pay for her transport there's little reason to communicate with a Makati resident when you'll be staying in Cebu only. My standard reply to far-off girls is this: "Thanks for sending me your interest / message. Have your read my profile and do you understand what I'm looking for? It's a pity you live so far from Manila. The next time you visit here let me know and we'll get together. " This has worked with some OFWs who are passing through Manila to / from their overseas jobs and also some Philippines residents who travel to Manila for work, leisure or to interview and/or train for overseas positions such as cruise lines.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1729945]Yeah but then there's "DIVORCE" where the fuc. King you GET is for the fuc. King you GOT. Boats, airplanes and WOMEN. It's cheaper to RENT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1730149]It's a legit site. As for the women they range from legit to dodgy. I like that PL allows its ladyboy members to identity as such because a member can specify the genders allowed to view his account; if a ladyboy can't see you she can't message you. The hassle with the site is as a standard, non-paying member a male is limited to sending 1 message every 10 minutes; paying members are unrestricted. After establishing contact shift to email, chat app or SMS to get around PL hamstringing you.

The best way to avoid wasting time is to be direct in your profile; use it as a filter to eliminate those aren't interested. If your profile is all about love, LTR and marriage, i.e. a misrepresentation of what you really want, you will get a lot of messages and interests, and the consequence for you is time wastage. Yes, some girls won't read the profile before sending an interest or a simple "Hi" message, and this can be followed up by you replying: "Have your read my profile and do you understand what I'm looking for?" Proceed with those who reply affirmatively.

Another way to gain efficiency it to ignore girls who are far from where you'll be staying. Unless you willing to pay for her transport there's no reason to communicate with a Makati resident when you'll be staying in Cebu only. My standard reply to far-off girls is this: "Thanks for sending me your interest / message. Have your read my profile and do you understand what I'm looking for? It's a pity you live so far from Manila. The next time you visit here let me know and we'll get together. " This has worked with OFWs who are passing through Manila to / from their overseas jobs and also some Philippines residents who travel to Manila to interview and train for overseas positions such as cruise lines.[/QUOTE]I used to be a long time user of Pinalove (PL) and do please read what the fine member Huts is pressing. I have good report comming from PL and I believe I have met like 150 girls from This site exclusevly the last 2 years. In DIA it is mostly "can you come we fuck" bangbang msg but in PL somw girls are restrictive so they will need a drink before pants comes down. From 150 come si come sa objects I have fucked everyone ex 2 girls. Leaving from the past DIA, where maybe I did a hit rate (fucking) in the mid 90%. I hear some guys get cheated and the girls are not genuine, this is a none exsisting problem to me?

Have just met a long lasting girl I met 3 years ago, through PL, in Dubai (passing by), we did fuck andn catched up. Nicy nice.
This is not a pic of her as that will not happen. This is a gullible one from the Manila Bay hotel New World. Just saying but all of the gems are great, trust me:-)

[QUOTE=Random99;1728853][B]Visa[/B]

I got a 1 year in and out Visa from the Philippine embassy. It was $100 and allows for a 2 month stay without an extension. It will probably be useful for me as I might take a few trips outside PI.

(I have no intention of getting anything but a tourist visa.).

[/QUOTE]This is a very good report and I'm pleased to see things have worked out.

I didn't know of the 1-year multiple-entry visa you wrote about; a one-time $100 fee allowing multiple visits up to 2 months each without incurring additional visa fees is a good deal. Of course you have travel costs every two month, but you can pick up really cheap fares on Cebu Pacific and AirAsia when you book well in advance. An "unrestricted national", I'm on the 2-month extendable visa that allows one to stay in the Philippines up to 3 years without leaving; this costs me approx. $700 per year for visas and I-Card.

I learnt a lesson the hard way many years ago. I applied for and received an extended-stay visa outside the Philippines, arrived in Manila and completed my immigration procedures at NAIA. I failed to tell the immigration agent I had a visa; he failed to see I already had a visa, so he stamped me in as a regular tourist; and I failed to look at what he stamped in my passport. Seven weeks later I went to travel agent for it to do my extension on my behalf. Surprise! I was informed I had overstayed my visa. I recall thinking I'd face large fines or even be deported. I had to pay a fine, but to its credit the Philippines is not harshly punitive.

Looks like the dollar is having a pretty good week. Spot rate was in the 45.25 range at one point (expect a discount around .25-.50 rate when exchanging), but seems to have settled around 45.

I was just looking at a chart for fun and it must have been proverbial heaven in 2002-05. If the fx rate ever got to mid-50's, I'd consider buying property (condo) here.

Going to Philippines this summer, will check it out / may move there for good.

Leaning towards a Schwab High Yield Investor account, as there are no FX fees, etc. Anyone here have any bad experiences going that route?

To the eurpopean crowd:

Relatively recent (March 15 I believe) mentioned airline started up with non stop flights from Istanbul (IST) to Manila (MNL). With relatively good connectiontime from Oslo and beeing a Star Alliance member (bonuspoints, I am a Diamond) I thought, wow, good lets try this.

Booked my tickets in Biz a couple of days before my departure and I was happy about the price (Euro2200). Thai charged almost Euro3000 for the same flight.

Beeing relatively late in to IST from Oslo we did have only 45 min connection time but we were ran through a speedy process by an turkish sportsman. Even I did have trouble hanging on to him. And a couple of old blokes were blue in there faces when we finaly reach our boarding gate (IST is a rather big airport). I asked the sportsman about our bags but he told us no problem as our arriving plane was parked relatively close to our departing MNL plane. Short connections can be hazzle as you might make it but not your luggage. I felt eased by his "promise"(even if I knew he did have nothing to do with the baggage handling).

While omboard the relatively old A340-300 aircraft (Turkish is not using their relatively new B777 fleet on this route yet) our captain told us it was going to be a delayed departure due to cargo and bags beeing still loaded. For once I was happy about this comment so I just laid back and felt relaxed. After a while, well after expected departure time, the captain once again adressed a new delay due to a cabincrew member sick so they had to replace her. I was thinking, as Turkish is a huge airline, they ofcourse have a lot of airport standby crew actually at the airport. It took one hour to replace her. 1. 5 hrs late we took off.

Arriving in MNL I saw a depressing sign as I was not suppose to have any special assitance or whatever. My name was held up by airport staffs (and the same for the rest of the Oslo passengers). Ofcourse I knew our bags did not make it and I was totaly correct. They told us they would do their very best to get the bags here as soon as possible but when I asked what they put into the statement "doing their best" the answer was even more depressing. They would put it on the next MNL flight this Saturday. I pfcourse objected and told them I knew Turkish has loads of flights to ie Singapore and Beijing and could easily send our bags through their and ship them on by either Singapore Airlines or Air China (noth Star Alliance partners). I was told that was not their policy but he would mention this soulution to the Turkish Airlines Manila based manager. Ofcourse I did not hear more from them.

Travelling a lot each year and my bag does not arrive happens but all companies I have flown so far will do their outmost to transport your bags to you as soon as possible. Turkish does not seem to care. I was asking for a compensation bcs all I did have was an extra t shirt and their answer was that it was up to the mention Manager to decide. In earlier simular cases I have allways gotten atleast an small ammount of cash to survive one day and buy items but Turkish don't give a shit. Ofcourse I did not hear anything from the manager or the airline whatsoever. And it is not that I can not afford to buy a few items but it is a priciple involved.

I will see Saturday what happens. I regret hugely i did not fly Thai:-)

Skogis:

I was in the similar situation. I had booked three separate FF Tickets from IST. They told us that flight is overbooked and they are within IATA rules to do so. There was no flight the next day and they told us to try after two days. They declined any compensation. They were so rude to us. My reply was: I work for the US Government. You do whatever you think is right, but when I get back in the US, I will do what my rights are. I will take you to the small claims court and will ask for compensation. I won't need a lawyer but you will need one. Within 30 minutes, I was walking out with three 500 Euro checks, confirmed ticket after two days, free hotel rooms / meals vouchers. Ironically, we were suppose to stay in Istanbul for two nights. This delay worked out great for us.

[QUOTE=JoseMarcia;1733128]Skogis:

I was in the similar situation. I had booked three separate FF Tickets from IST. They told us that flight is overbooked and they are within IATA rules to do so. There was no flight the next day and they told us to try after two days. They declined any compensation. They were so rude to us. My reply was: I work for the US Government. You do whatever you think is right, but when I get back in the US, I will do what my rights are. I will take you to the small claims court and will ask for compensation. I won't need a lawyer but you will need one. Within 30 minutes, I was walking out with three 500 Euro checks, confirmed ticket after two days, free hotel rooms / meals vouchers. Ironically, we were suppose to stay in Istanbul for two nights. This delay worked out great for us.[/QUOTE]Yes I could obviously asked to talk to the on ground manager but as I stood long enough to fill out the "property irragularity report" and I had pussy waiting I thought I might deal with this later. Probably a lot easier to deal with Turkish back home in Norway than here in phils anyway. I have also travelinsurance ofcourse can reimburse me with what I have bought so far (but still peanuts). But as Turkish seems quite arrogant I will not let this go just out of princip. But they were right about the. IATA rules that they are allowed to overbook a flight but by doing so they should instantly first ask the passangers if any voulenteers would give up their seat toward a compensation. If no one voulanteerly wants to do so an airline can actually "by force" deny u boarding. The passangers with the cheapest tickets will have to stand behind but ofcourse by generously beeing awarded compensations one way or another.
I find it funny though that you have to wait two days as they fly to Beijing and Singapore and airline partner fly to manila from there. It seems they dont deal much with rebookings and checking available options. Well well, last time i fly an airline with atleast daily flights or more to a destination and even if Turkish gave away a seat to me my biz with them is over. Turkish call themself an european airline and is a member of Star Alliance. Hickups have happened to me(simular situations as u meantioned as well)but the difference is that Austrian, Scandinavian, Lufthansa, Thai etc(biz)will treat u accordingly and throw money, flightcoupons or bonuspoints after u. Luckely I did not loose any pussy over it, thanks God. My biz with Turkish is finished if i ever recieve my bag.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1732576]Going to Philippines this summer, will check it out / may move there for good.

Leaning towards a Schwab High Yield Investor account, as there are no FX fees, etc. Anyone here have any bad experiences going that route?[/QUOTE]ImAGuy -.

I just moved here recently as well. Just wrote some info:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2479-Chat-Rooms-amp-Pen-Pals&p=1732414&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1732414.

Was posted on he UAE board but relevant given your tastes.

[URL]http://www.aliexpress.com/promotion/promotion_big-big-big-breast-sex-doll-promotion.html[/URL]

This is a link to a news article on the CNN survey that claims to show that the Philippines has the second best food in the world. Clearly the survey was undertaken by imbeciles IMHO (and likely GE's also). I can so little to praise food here which is generally fatty, loaded with sugar in some form or other and tastes disgusting. Now there is seafood but that exists and other countries also. So that does not IMHO qualify.

Had the survey stuck with national dishes and asked intelligent people then I am sure the results may be different.

The other surprising thing (well not really) is that this is headline news. Methinks some one needs positive news not the real stuff.

Just my take on things gents.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/06/16/1466440/cnn-poll-philippines-has-worlds-2nd-best-food[/URL]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1734564]This is a link to a news article on the CNN survey that claims to show that the Philippines has the second best food in the world. Clearly the survey was undertaken by imbeciles IMHO (and likely GE's also). I can so little to praise food here which is generally fatty, loaded with sugar in some form or other and tastes disgusting. Now there is seafood but that exists and other countries also. So that does not IMHO qualify.

Had the survey stuck with national dishes and asked intelligent people then I am sure the results may be different.

The other surprising thing (well not really) is that this is headline news. Methinks some one needs positive news not the real stuff.

Just my take on things gents.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/06/16/1466440/cnn-poll-philippines-has-worlds-2nd-best-food[/URL][/QUOTE]In the world? Maybe in Asia, though I would rank Thailand, Vietnam, China, and Japan ahead of the Phils. While I like the seafood and BBQ in the Phils I find that my diet is far less healthy than when I'm back in the states. It's much harder to find good healthy ingredients. And as for the restaurants, the big cities of Manila and Cebu isn't even in the same league as the major cities throughout the world. Obviously the folks in this survey don't travel much and maybe travel much outside of Manila.

Now when it comes to worldwide hobbying, well then the Phils is definitely #2 if not #1 .

I know there have been several posts on this in the past, but Uber is definitely a plus for me here in Makati / BGC.

Pros:

* Clean, new cars always with good aircon.

* Don't need to have cash.

* No expectation of tip.

* No haggling of price. There seems to be a plethora of GrabTaxi participants which are hiking up fare expectation. Good luck getting a taxi during rush hour without a flat fare (no meter) and the driver trying to double the price.

Cons:

* Prices at times will multiply 2 x normal fares or some other multiple. I usually take them off hours (mid-day or late evening), so I'm not 100% sure of the formula.

* Drivers seem to be new, not experienced.

* Mapping function on the app isn't great. Sometimes I have a hard time getting it to pinpoint my correct location and typing the exact address does not always work. I try to go to a known place when I'm in Makati ie Starbucks at Glorietta 5 and use that as the address.

* Doesn't seem to be that many Uber drivers, so you may have to wait some.

* I think someone mentioned in a previous post about privacy concerns as Uber may store the locations tied to your credit card (not a big deal to me).

Although I've signed up for Grab Taxi, I haven't used that app yet and Uber is a better seems to better price than a regular cab (no apples-apples comparison yet). It was only 80 pesos from BGC to Makati (daytime) and 110 pesos (during traffic). That same day, my fare for 3-4 blocks in Makati was 60 pesos with a regular taxi (traffic).

[QUOTE=Cjetset;1734874]In the world? Maybe in Asia, though I would rank Thailand, Vietnam, China, and Japan ahead of the Phils. While I like the seafood and BBQ in the Phils I find that my diet is far less healthy than when I'm back in the states. It's much harder to find good healthy ingredients. And as for the restaurants, the big cities of Manila and Cebu isn't even in the same league as the major cities throughout the world. Obviously the folks in this survey don't travel much and maybe travel much outside of Manila.[/QUOTE]One of my former boss' nanny used to nag him to invest some money in a Filipino restaurant, and her nagging got worse when her cousin landed in Singapore, with a HRM Degree.

Till my boss got a bit too fed up and asked the nanny why he should put in a 100 K in a Filipino restaurant.

She replied, 1) to help her cousin work, and 2) there are thousands of Filipinos in Singapore and 3) Filipino food is the best in the world, and all can eat.

While he agreed to the fact that anybody can put up with bland Filipino food, vs spicy or such other food, his next questions were, 1) why there are never any non-Filipinos seen eating in Filipino joints in Singapore and 2) as a well traveled person, why Filipino restaurants only operate in places with large overseas Filipino community (including Jollybee) - unlike Thai, Italian, Mexican, Indian.

Case closed.

They have a 24/7 Call center to solve issues. It is toll free. You can also call from Skype. They are trying to establish themselves as a premier airline, so I assume they may do anything to fix your issues.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1734564]This is a link to a news article on the CNN survey that claims to show that the Philippines has the second best food in the world. Clearly the survey was undertaken by imbeciles IMHO (and likely GE's also).[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/06/16/1466440/cnn-poll-philippines-has-worlds-2nd-best-food[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is your answer. It was an open Facebook 'poll'. So it was more of a poll of who is on facebook in reality. CNN's real crime is in cheapening the word poll. The pinoy website just turned it into something more than it is.

This wasn't exactly Gallup here. Italy was 3rd and Taiwan at #1 had more votes than everyone else combined. Look at the vote totals its a joke.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/14/travel/world-best-food-culinary-journeys/index.html[/URL]

Doesn't the porn star Janice Griffith look a lot like a hot girl from AC?

At NAIA T3 recently, I got dropped off for my CP domestic flight fully 3 hours prior to departure. The lines outside were the normally long lines. As I was approaching the queue with my luggage, one of the airport porters approached me and asked if I was a business traveler. In almost all of my past trips, this is a cue for a bribe to get thru that line faster. Usually I give the guy p100 (or even p50) and he's happy with that. Yes, stud, I am a business traveler. He put my bags on a cart and before he could move me towards the door, I told him p100. He wanted p500. I giggled and pushed the cart to the end of the line. He dropped to 450. I demured with 100. He walked away. A few minutes later he walked by again and offered 400. I looked away. A moment later a different porter walked by and asked if I was a senior. I have no idea in phils what age a senior is, but I replied Yes, yes I am. My knees tell me the rains are coming.

He took the cart from me and led me past the queue to the door, loading my luggage onto the xray machine, then off the machine once the luggage was through it. He walked me right to the CP line for Persons With Disabilities / Senior Citizens (the queue was empty) and left me there, he turned to walk away. I called him back and pulled the folded p100 note from my shirt pocket that I had ready for the first guy, and stuck my hand out to shake his hand, with the folded note concealed in my palm. When he saw that I was attempting to give him money, he smiled and walked away. Sweet! I checked in and went right to security and my gate. Apparently chivalry is not dead in phils. BTW, there were LOTS of much older philipino in the long line, and I did not see a single one of them selected for the same good treatment.

Later date in Cebu, when departing for the province at the Lapu airport (early afternoon flight, weekend), there was nobody in line at the airport entrance xray machine. Then there was nobody in the queue at my CP domesic flight queue. From airport entrance to gate was under 7 minutes. WTF it never happens so good!

One of the nice things about living here as one advances in years, is the priority given and deference paid to "seniors. " I fly almost weekly out of terminal 3, and I never get in line to get into the terminal. Instead, I go to the front of the queue and tell the security person that I'm a senior (no lie there) and I'm allowed through the entrance immediately. Since I always print my boarding pass for CP from my computer, I just go to the gate after airport entry. The whole process rarely takes more than 5 minutes.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1737139]Since I always print my boarding pass for CP from my computer, I just go to the gate after airport entry. The whole process rarely takes more than 5 minutes.

GE.[/QUOTE]How do you drop off your checked luggage?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1737160]How do you drop off your checked luggage?[/QUOTE]I think in Manila T3 there is a separate line for online checkin to drop off baggage.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1737228]I think in Manila T3 there is a separate line for online checkin to drop off baggage.[/QUOTE]Have asked about that repeatedly at the checkin counter. What is the point of checking in online ahead of time, if you can't drop your checked luggage and go? Or its possible GE has no checked luggage.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1737253]Have asked about that repeatedly at the checkin counter. What is the point of checking in online ahead of time, if you can't drop your checked luggage and go? Or its possible GE has no checked luggage.[/QUOTE]Without regard to luggage. Advantage to checking in online is that you are checked in. In the event you are getting to the airport late like stuck in traffic at least you are already checked in and they won't give your seat away, especially in an overbooked situation.

I am sure I have seen separate online checked in baggage drop lines for Cebu Pacific in BKK, Cebu and Manila. But I have not used any.

GE may not have any check in luggage. Usually CP tags the carry on at the counter.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1737228]I think in Manila T3 there is a separate line for online checkin to drop off baggage.[/QUOTE]Possible GE has a small carry on Westie.

But at T3 I always check in online and trust NE the queues are huge for bag drop off as no dedicated counter. CPac is trying to get everyone to check in at the booths before the desks hence less hassle for the counter staff.

In Mactan (Cebu) I have better luck than Manila but I once said "why ask me to check in online if there is no dedicates desk and I have to still queue for a long time" All I got was 'wait a while" LOL.

I was in my late 40's before I accepted that I was "middle aged". I did the math. Over half way to the average life span. Ouch.

GE, when did you start admitting that you are a "senior". I've been told that you'd punch out any young 20 ish guy who suggested that you put out one of your 30 cigarettes a day. But I've also heard you love wine. So maybe that is your elixir.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1737139]One of the nice things about living here as one advances in years, is the priority given and deference paid to "seniors. " I fly almost weekly out of terminal 3, and I never get in line to get into the terminal. Instead, I go to the front of the queue and tell the security person that I'm a senior (no lie there) and I'm allowed through the entrance immediately. Since I always print my boarding pass for CP from my computer, I just go to the gate after airport entry. The whole process rarely takes more than 5 minutes.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1734564]This is a link to a news article on the CNN survey that claims to show that the Philippines has the second best food in the world. Clearly the survey was undertaken by imbeciles IMHO (and likely GE's also). I can so little to praise food here which is generally fatty, loaded with sugar in some form or other and tastes disgusting. Now there is seafood but that exists and other countries also. So that does not IMHO qualify.

Had the survey stuck with national dishes and asked intelligent people then I am sure the results may be different.

The other surprising thing (well not really) is that this is headline news. Methinks some one needs positive news not the real stuff.

Just my take on things gents.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/06/16/1466440/cnn-poll-philippines-has-worlds-2nd-best-food[/URL][/QUOTE]To Wicked.

I think Manila have the worst food city in the World along with the world worst airport, I am lucky there are KFC and taco bell here or I will go hungry.

Fast eddie 48.

I think many guys who visit here or who trawl through the dating sites get a false impression of just how large (small?) the P4 P scene inn the Philippines actually is.

If you visit AC; hang out at the bars in Cebu or Burgos Street / GB / Malate in Manila you see only a fraction of the population.

Some hard data:

Phils population (today) is 103.2 M (increasing by 5335 births each day).

62.5 M of this population is aged between 15 and 64.

31.2 M of this 15 - 64 population are females.

Let's guess some numbers.

If there are (say) 2000 working girls in AC; 3000 working girls in Manila; 3000 working girls in other cities; 2000 women on dating sites; that's one million females.

That's roughly 3% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in sex activity.

If you want to double it to be extra conservative, then make it 6% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in sex activity.

That leaves 28 M women going about their normal life not even aware of the "red light" scene in Manila, AC or elsewhere. Those of us who live here interract with these women each day in our work and business transactions. Sex is not on the agenda, discussed or ever an issue.

I hope this helps give some perspective.

If you want to check my figures, there are plenty of sites (eg [URL]http://countrymeters.info/en/Philippines[/URL]).

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1737597]

Let's guess some numbers.

If there are (say) 2000 working girls in AC; 3000 working girls in Manila; 3000 working girls in other cities; 2000 women on dating sites; that's one million females.

That's roughly 3% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in sex activity.
[/QUOTE]Is this a trick?

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1737498]To Wicked.

I think Manila have the worst food city in the World along with the world worst airport, I am lucky there are KFC and taco bell here or I will go hungry.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]FE,

In my world KFC and Taco Bell are not food, just heart disease etc bombs. Taco Bell is pseudo Mexican and I don't consider Mexican food as food. Trust those that know also know I don't eat that crap. By food I mean healthy nutritious etc and a walk around most malls in the Philippines will show you that is an area seriously lacking.

Now I have eaten Mexican 'food' - with Westie and I got serious food poisoning. And the other time with Irony Monger (same resto) and he chose the food as he understand Mexican 'cuisine' and was OK but I don't go running to those places (more away from LOL).

But your comments is understood and each to his own but the fact that the news had this as a prominent feature goes to show how much the news here is biased towards anything of a 'good news story' regardless of what the rest of the world thinks.

[QUOTE=Makeupaname;1737614]Is this a trick?[/QUOTE]I realized from your comment that my quoted statement.

"That's roughly 3% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in sex activity" is not the full statement that I meant to say.

I meant " That's roughly 3% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in P4 P activity".

I have no doubt that many more females are engaging in sex activity with bfs, gfs, husbands etc but this happens way outside of any mongering contexts.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1737693]I realized from your comment that my quoted statement.

"That's roughly 3% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in sex activity" is not the full statement that I meant to say.

I meant " That's roughly 3% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in P4 P activity".

I have no doubt that many more females are engaging in sex activity with bfs, gfs, husbands etc but this happens way outside of any mongering contexts.[/QUOTE]Probably referring more to your arithmetic, or lack thereof!

Had to laugh arriving into MNL T3 yesterday as the two latter years(maybe longer)the walkways / peoplemovers have been shut down/out of order(who knows). Maybe I am dreaming but I think I have seen one of them working one time and that's it. Normaly you can atleast walk on them as to overtake the slow moving crowd of newly arrived Koreans or to lessen the risk of beeing hit by them moving golf cabbies transporting lazy or injured people. Yesterday they had even blocked one of them walkways. I did put on a cheerful grind and I thought a kodakmoment would be appropriate.

On the plus side a smiley young immigration girl waved me over to the senior citizen booth(i hope not for viewing me as one no pun intended for the senior crowd pls)as there was a couple of people ahead of me in the business line. She looks in my passport and view numerous arrival / departure stamps from phils and gives me this nice cheeky smile. The fastest immigration officer ever handling my arrival. Beeing allready horny (I allways get a boner when the wheels touch down on the Naia runway) I thought about asking her number but on the other side that could turn out ugly so I let it rest. Picked up my bag(nr 3 on the belt) and threw myself into the waiting hotelcar. I didn't clock the time spend from deplaning until sitting in the car but I think 20 min max (probably less). Except from the never ending walkwayissues and to many people try to push a taxi on me (well I would have saved 700 piso taking one yesterday as my hotelcar cost php1800 and probably would do the same job) this MNL arrival was one of my best ones.

Arriving by Emirates 4:35 pm traffic was relatively easy on the way to Makati.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1737597]
If there are (say) 2000 working girls in AC; 3000 working girls in Manila; 3000 working girls in other cities; 2000 women on dating sites; that's one million females.
[/QUOTE]As others have already pointed out your calculation is not correct. However the total number of one million could very well be right.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Philippines[/URL]

I wish phones would make it a little easier to do a mass change in your settings for multiple apps and messaging. I'm learning (w / o any negative repercussions) to switch my notifications to not show up on a locked screen before meeting / bring anyone back to my apartment.

I'm usually pretty casual with leaving my phone around (obviously with a password setting).

Terminal 3 is the best terminal so far. I saw some of the other international airlines started using it also. KLM is one of them. I hope they can organize the airport based on the same standards and run somekind of a shuttle service between the terminals.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1738916]Had to laugh arriving into MNL T3 yesterday as the two latter years(maybe longer)the walkways / peoplemovers have been shut down/out of order(who knows). Maybe I am dreaming but I think I have seen one of them working one time and that's it. Normaly you can atleast walk on them as to overtake the slow moving crowd of newly arrived Koreans or to lessen the risk of beeing hit by them moving golf cabbies transporting lazy or injured people. Yesterday they had even blocked one of them walkways. I did put on a cheerful grind and I thought a kodakmoment would be appropriate.

On the plus side a smiley young immigration girl waved me over to the senior citizen booth(i hope not for viewing me as one no pun intended for the senior crowd pls)as there was a couple of people ahead of me in the business line. She looks in my passport and view numerous arrival / departure stamps from phils and gives me this nice cheeky smile. The fastest immigration officer ever handling my arrival. Beeing allready horny (I allways get a boner when the wheels touch down on the Naia runway) I thought about asking her number but on the other side that could turn out ugly so I let it rest. Picked up my bag(nr 3 on the belt) and threw myself into the waiting hotelcar. I didn't clock the time spend from deplaning until sitting in the car but I think 20 min max (probably less). Except from the never ending walkwayissues and to many people try to push a taxi on me (well I would have saved 700 piso taking one yesterday as my hotelcar cost php1800 and probably would do the same job) this MNL arrival was one of my best ones.

Arriving by Emirates 4:35 pm traffic was relatively easy on the way to Makati.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1740007]Terminal 3 is the best terminal so far. I saw some of the other international airlines started using it also. KLM is one of them. I hope they can organize the airport based on the same standards and run somekind of a shuttle service between the terminals.[/QUOTE]Is "best" compared with NAIA 1, 2 and 4 maybe but is definitely nowhere near international standards as the country aspires to be. Long way to go. The AC (aircon) at times never works, the people walkalators are always broken but I still use it to 'overtake' the slow movers and the selection of coffee shops is dreadful. But that said, I always use T3 but then I also travel a lot and make my assessments based on that also.

There is a shuttle but it is IMHO like a rugby scrum at times. The last time I took it (it was raining, no taxis, no choice) my bag was on top of my head while it felt like being in a overcrowded sardine can. Never again if it can be avoided.

The entire airport management needs to be replaced by people with experience and who care for passengers and in the Philippines that will be a very long time before such positive change occurs.

On my last trips I have also used Terminal 1 and even ef it is old and stinks in many ways if has one big pre these days and it is that many airlines have changed to T3 leaving T1 less crowded / less risk a widebody arriving ahead of you making immigration line long. Allways swift arrivals there lately qnd no lines whatsoever. I preplan the terminal of arrival based on where I start up my mongering. Ie if I stay City of Dream Hyatt or New World Manila Bay it is more convenient arriving T1 from a traffic point of view while in a taxi / hotel car. For my Makati stays I allways try hard to get my ass into T3. Another pre T1 has is that the pushy guys offering u taxi can not wait inside the terminal arrival area. They have to stand at the other side of the street. So they can not irritate u atleast until they can see u and they try to wave u down and scream out their offers. If u have hotelcar u can all quietly walk to the designated area without any hazzles. T3 is chaotic this way..
As a sidenote, since these guys irritates me, on a arrival into T3 a couple of trips ago i pretended i was interested in a mafiataxi(i did ofcourse allready have a hotelcar arranged). No people around as i was the first put of the terminal from my flight. He started with a topped up price as in 1800piso, i told him no. Hanging on to me while walking his next offer was 1200. Me still walking showing no interest he broke the price down to 1000. He soon gave in and asked how much i was willing to pay and i told him 645piso just for fun. It was ok. I just informed him i did have a waiting
WG; i agree highly that NAIA airport as hole does not even deserve to be measured along with top notch intl ones like(HKG, PEK, SIN, BKK, PDG, etc). From reasons unkown to me Naia reminds me allways about the crazy and shitty Simon Bolivar intl Airport of Caracas, VE. I have no idea but my speculation would be that the administration of NAIA knows very little about how to run an airport and probably are possitioned there as a gesture from beeing related or close friends to the rulers of Phils. Ie the cousin or whatever he is of the president beeing suddenly the CEO of Clark airport. Only in phils

[QUOTE=Skogis;1740199]much i was willing to pay and i told him 645piso just for fun. It was ok. I just informed him i did have a waiting
WG; i agree highly that NAIA airport as hole does not even deserve to be measured along with top notch intl ones like(HKG, PEK, SIN, BKK, PDG, etc). From reasons unkown to me Naia reminds me allways about the crazy and shitty Simon Bolivar intl Airport of Caracas, VE.

I have no idea but my speculation would be that the administration of NAIA knows very little about how to run an airport and probably are possitioned there as a gesture from beeing related or close friends to the rulers of Phils. Ie the cousin or whatever he is of the president beeing suddenly the CEO of Clark airport. Only in phils[/QUOTE]Reminds me of some African airports (Djibouti springs to mind) plus the odd Soviet area terminals as well.

As for the speculation I think IMHO you are correct. Is correct and others on the forum have said similar about the management of the airport. The Clark thing is to do with another cousin or whatever being appointed to the board with no airline / airport / aviation experience. Nothing new in this country.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1740154]Is "best" compared with NAIA 1, 2 and 4 maybe but is definitely nowhere near international standards as the country aspires to be. Long way to go. The AC (aircon) at times never works, the people walkalators are always broken but I still use it to 'overtake' the slow movers and the selection of coffee shops is dreadful. But that said, I always use T3 but then I also travel a lot and make my assessments based on that also.

There is a shuttle but it is IMHO like a rugby scrum at times. The last time I took it (it was raining, no taxis, no choice) my bag was on top of my head while it felt like being in a overcrowded sardine can. Never again if it can be avoided.

The entire airport management needs to be replaced by people with experience and who care for passengers and in the Philippines that will be a very long time before such positive change occurs.[/QUOTE]The simple truth is that there's nothing (short of demolition) that could transform NAIA into an airport that meets international standards. To do so would require the installation of one or two parallel runways, for which there's neither space nor money. Simultaneously, it would require the acquisition of new ground equipment, which was "supposed" to have been accomplished a decade ago until the funds allocated mysteriously disappeared. The other simple truth is that the politicians, motivated by a level of avarice that's awesome to behold, simply don't give a damn. So, this poor place will continue to slip ever further behind its more visionary ASEAN competitors many of which are investing billions of dollars in improving their air and sea transport systems.

The one faint hope for this place is that some national politicians will eventually listen to the offers from private companies--like San Miguel--to build new airports and / or subways and / or ports and to operate them as well. As such offers have already been, made and resoundingly rejected by the rapacious ignoramuses who run the country, such progress is unlikely.

GE.

I have no complaints. I arrived at t3 Saturday evening and got through immigration and customs with only a two minute wait. Not counting walking time. 300 p got me to Tune with zero negotiating. I guess I have low expectations but I have never entered the US as fast or easy but I have only traveled out of the country 50 times or so.

[QUOTE=Naughty;1740322]I have no complaints. I arrived at t3 Saturday evening and got through immigration and customs with only a two minute wait. Not counting walking time. 300 p got me to Tune with zero negotiating. I guess I have low expectations but I have never entered the US as fast or easy but I have only traveled out of the country 50 times or so.[/QUOTE]I'd say you got lucky. However, your experience doesn't have much to do with the airport facilities which are subpar by a wide margin.

In contravention of your experience, today it took me a total of about 5 hours to travel from Davao to Manila, a distance of less than 1,000 km. This was not the fault of Cebu Pacifc which boarded the flight on time, and then we had to wait 30-40 minutes beyond scheduled departure time for clearance to be granted by Manila. Arriving over Manila, we had to circle for 40 minutes or so until space opened up on the single runway. Fortunately, I had reserved a hotel car which was waiting for me as I stepped out of the terminal. Had that not been the case, I would have been forced to join the queue of maybe 200 meters for a taxi, and by the way there were no taxis in evidence.

I've decided that, in the brilliant panoply of lights that are SE Asia, the Philippines is the burned out bulb.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1740342]I'd say you got lucky. However, your experience doesn't have much to do with the airport facilities which are subpar by a wide margin.

In contravention of your experience, today it took me a total of about 5 hours to travel from Davao to Manila, a distance of less than 1,000 km. This was not the fault of Cebu Pacifc which boarded the flight on time, and then we had to wait 30-40 minutes beyond scheduled departure time for clearance to be granted by Manila. Arriving over Manila, we had to circle for 40 minutes or so until space opened up on the single runway. Fortunately, I had reserved a hotel car which was waiting for me as I stepped out of the terminal. Had that not been the case, I would have been forced to join the queue of maybe 200 meters for a taxi, and by the way there were no taxis in evidence.

I've decided that, in the brilliant panoply of lights that are SE Asia, the Philippines is the burned out bulb.

GE.[/QUOTE]And here you make a strong point. To go into a more detailed explenation why you have to circle / holding position as in not having landing clearance / not having take off clearance is due to aged tech systems by Naia. Their radars and ground handling sucks big time and only at Naia you have to wait for take off due to a landing one 3 min away. By then in modern airports atleast 2 simular sized aircrafts would be able to have taken off. At Naia you are stucked. Ofcourse sometimes you will experience holding positions arriving modern huge airports as well but not anything like the Naia one. Logistics and layouts here are old. I am sure they have a doppler radar somewhere, hehe. And the crossing runway for mostly props and light airbus takeoffs isn't making it easier in the airports dynamics.

I see the problem moving and construct a new airport, it is not like boiling hot dogs, as they need probably to move it to another location. I guess just people in charge here are more worried filling their own, and the familes / friends, pockets with money so development have to rest until a real change in gouverning can happen.

I would agree with you Skogis, except that about 2 years ago, or, maybe slightly more, San Mig approached the government with a complete design for a new airport in a new location. At it's own expense it had already done the preliminary surveys and most of the design work. The company was prepared to construct the facility at its own expense and then to operate it. The proposal never even got a serious hearing. Why? Because of the endless greed of the politicians, coupled with their total incompetence and utter lack of concern for the country's development. Amazing that Thailand managed to construct what is now rated as one of the world's best airports, a subway and monorail system and a system of beautiful elevated highways, and all within a period of about 15 years.

GE.

Doesn't SM already own Philippine Airlines? It is one of the worst run airlines. If they did true competition, they could not survive for a single day. I wonder how they could run an airport.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1740361]I would agree with you Skogis, except that about 2 years ago, or, maybe slightly more, San Mig approached the government with a complete design for a new airport in a new location. At it's own expense it had already done the preliminary surveys and most of the design work. The company was prepared to construct the facility at its own expense and then to operate it. The proposal never even got a serious hearing. Why? Because of the endless greed of the politicians, coupled with their total incompetence and utter lack of concern for the country's development. Amazing that Thailand managed to construct what is now rated as one of the world's best airports, a subway and monorail system and a system of beautiful elevated highways, and all within a period of about 15 years.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1740756]Doesn't SM already own Philippine Airlines? It is one of the worst run airlines. If they did true competition, they could not survive for a single day. I wonder how they could run an airport.[/QUOTE]Nope! From memory they bought a 49% holding in 2012, but recently sold it all. Not sure of the reasons (but could hazard a few guesses!).

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1740756]Doesn't SM already own Philippine Airlines? It is one of the worst run airlines. If they did true competition, they could not survive for a single day. I wonder how they could run an airport.[/QUOTE]My best bet is, and I agree that phil airlines are shitty company, they could become major player in Asia if they changed out all their (atleast many of them) top people with people actually are skilled in running an airline. The top CEO in ie Emirates is British, he got the job bcs arabs don't know squat about operating in an internationally aviation environment.

My bet would be also head people in Ethiad, Qatar and Gulf Air are from developed countries. Head in Cathay and other major players around the globe are skilled in aviation. I even know Air China, China Southern, Hainan etc have western people in the top managment(maybe not the CEO level but to acually run their airlines). To me, travelling sometimes biz class by phil airlines to BKK, it seems they don't give a shit. Maybe, if some of you fine gents have flown Phil airline long haul to Paris or London, you can correct me. But a B777 or an A330 is the same flying between BKK MNL as MNL CDG / LHR. Don't make me want to book their service for anlonger flight than 3 hrs. The aircraft itself beeing modern and all that is ok but they by far don't have the servicelevel in Biz class we can get used to in the western world (and how many westerns like the chicken adobo?)...

Skogis' point about the lack of sufficient local expertise to operate an airline to international standards is true, and not only for air transport, but for several areas of the service sectors. I've stayed in many, though not all, of the five star hotels in Makati, for example and noted that all of the GMs I've met are Western. Even in the call center business, the larger, more successful companies are Western-owned and run. I attribute this not to a lack of talent, but to the deplorably low standards enforced by training institutions here. The simple fact is that there are no institutional mechanisms here that would enable the service economy to achieve international standards nor, evidently, is there any particular desire to do so.

To illustrate, I refer to a discussion I had recently with a friend who for years has owned and operated one of the best Western restaurants in Davao. He recounted his experience in interviewing a young woman who had recently graduated from one of the city's more expensive culinary academies. She introduced herself as "Chef Julie" (I've made up the name) who firmly believed.
--because she had been told so by her school--that having taken a two-year or perhaps even four-year course, she was actually a chef. My friend said her skills were at best rudimentary. Culinary academies, by the way are churning out ersatz "Chefs" by the thousands here, none of whom, I am quite sure, would be capable of holding more than an entry level job in a real restaurant kitchen.

This is a country in which mediocrity is the norm, hyperbole the rule, and fantasy a permanent state of mind.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1740785]I attribute this not to a lack of talent, but to the deplorably low standards enforced by training institutions here. The simple fact is that there are no institutional mechanisms here that would enable the service economy to achieve international standards nor, evidently, is there any particular desire to do so.

SNIP

This is a country in which mediocrity is the norm, hyperbole the rule, and fantasy a permanent state of mind.

GE.[/QUOTE]To piggyback on that:

Recently used Agoda to book a room at a hotel in the province. The hotel is also a convention center (its not a small place). Booked for 3 nights using agoda as the hotel has no website. Agoda shows wifi in the rooms. Could not get a wifi signal in the room, so I asked for a room with better wifi connection. "But sir we don't have wifi in any of our rooms. Lobby only". Great. Why does Agoda show you have wifi in both the room and public areas? "Sir it does not. Agoda shows we have wifi in public area only". I grabbed my laptop and got on Agoda and showed her the "wifi in all rooms" thing. "So sorry po".

Can I speak to the manager? "What manager sir?" The one who runs the place? "Oh sorry sir. No. He is not here now. You cannot speak to him". Ah, he will be back later today, right? Can you send him to my room to chat me? "Ah sir no. We don't know when he comes back". Tomorrow then? "Ah sir no. We never know when he comes here. Just you can talk to him if you see him here". Great. Send an email to Agoda asking if I can depart my reservation with these clowns and find a new hotel, without financial penalty for the remaining nights.

The next day my girl and I get up and decide to hit the mall. We depart at 9 am. I stop by the front desk and ask for my room to be made up, explaining that we were going shopping for a while. The receptionist grabs a walkie-talkie and says to make up room 203. Somebody responds "OK". We hit the mall and shop, and have a snack. The girl goes home. I get back to the hotel around noon to find the room has not been cleaned. I decide to go to a market and get some fruits, but first I stop back at the front desk and ask them to make up my room, reminding them that I requested it 3 hours prior. The girl walkie-talkies the same command. Reply on the walkie: "OK".

I go off and shop, then stop back in the aircon mall for some tea. Get back to the hotel at 3 pm and find the room still not made up. Head back to the front desk, to find the head maid talking to the receptionist. I ask once again to have the room cleaned, reminding the girl that this is the third time I've asked for the room to be cleaned. The head-maid gal intervenes with: "No". What? "No sir. We clean the rooms on a schedule. 203 will not be cleaned until later today". Really! I noted to the maid lady that there were only about 4 rooms being occupied by customers, and many unoccupied rooms were in the throws of being cleaned during the day. Did the occupied rooms not get priority for cleaning when the occupants were out? "No sir. We clean the rooms in an order. We will get to yours later". Amazing!

I turned to the receptionist and asked if she was aware of this? "Yes sir". So when I told you to make up the room at 9 am, you knew it would not get done till late afternoon? "Yes sir". Why did you call on the walkie-talkie? Why did you not tell me that they would not clean the room till later? And why did you repeat this behavior at noon? "I don't know sir. That is what we do".

I love this place!

To be fair, 3 minutes later there was a knock at my door, the cleaning crew had obviously been summoned.

There is a vast difference between the cultural expectations, and the local expectation is so low that I don't know if the western expectation can be met. A hotel manager in a different province said it to me once, out loud, in english. One day I had called the front desk to ask for an extra pillow to be brought to my room, 2 pm. About 4 pm (no pillow rec'd) I stopped at the front desk and asked again, as I was walking out the front door. At 7 pm I went to the front desk again to ask. At 9 pm (still no pillow) I went back to the front desk, got a bit rough, and insisted the pillow be delivered (and shortly after it was delivered). The following day at checkout, I mentioned this to the manager. Her response: "Foreigner want everything to happen for them right now. Its not the filipino way, sir". The fact that this is cultural, and that pinoy rarely complain about any bad service, means expectations will not change for a long time.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1740785]Skogis' point about the lack of sufficient local expertise to operate an airline to international standards is true, and not only for air transport, but for several areas of the service sectors. I've stayed in many, though not all, of the five star hotels in Makati, for example and noted that all of the GMs I've met are Western. Even in the call center business, the larger, more successful companies are Western-owned and run. I attribute this not to a lack of talent, but to the deplorably low standards enforced by training institutions here. The simple fact is that there are no institutional mechanisms here that would enable the service economy to achieve international standards nor, evidently, is there any particular desire to do so.

To illustrate, I refer to a discussion I had recently with a friend who for years has owned and operated one of the best Western restaurants in Davao. He recounted his experience in interviewing a young woman who had recently graduated from one of the city's more expensive culinary academies. She introduced herself as "Chef Julie" (I've made up the name) who firmly believed.
--because she had been told so by her school--that having taken a two-year or perhaps even four-year course, she was actually a chef. My friend said her skills were at best rudimentary. Culinary academies, by the way are churning out ersatz "Chefs" by the thousands here, none of whom, I am quite sure, would be capable of holding more than an entry level job in a real restaurant kitchen.

This is a country in which mediocrity is the norm, hyperbole the rule, and fantasy a permanent state of mind.

GE.[/QUOTE]You speak out my point as in general quite beautifully. I don't carry your native english tounge so I can not indulge myself with those fine words you are using. I understand them put in context though (my mom is american but her tounge today is clear native norwegian). They live by much a fantasy in phils. Hell, I know a while ago, as we have lack of nurses in Norway, a company started to provide hospitals with nurses. It proved though that they did not have a clue what plaster was, even less did they know how to take a blood sample (finding a nutiorous vaine).

Everything was questioned and they were send back (a few of them propably managed to get themself some norwegian wood so they could stay but it was mainly a disaster). Now it is only 2 institutions, Hi so ones, providing Norway with nirses from Phils as they have a norwegian logistic officer placed at the unis so they can view the quality of the educations. They can come easily with no hazzles from the norwegian embassy as they are needed.

I know a girl from San Fernando, a beauty, she just finished 3 years of culinaries and call herself a "baker" as in can decorate. I have viewed some of her work and my mom (I would not say me) can do a lot better than her. She would not before hell freezes get a job as a baker in Norway but maybe in phils I don't know. My mom is by the way only a math and chemical teacher at a UNI in Oslo, Norway.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1740756]It is one of the worst run airlines. If they did true competition, they could not survive for a single day. I wonder how they could run an airport.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skogis;1740766]Maybe, if some of you fine gents have flown Phil airline long haul to Paris or London, you can correct me. But a B777 or an A330 is the same flying between BKK MNL as MNL CDG / LHR. Don't make me want to book their service for anlonger flight than 3 hrs. The aircraft itself beeing modern and all that is ok but they by far don't have the servicelevel in Biz class we can get used to in the western world (and how many westerns like the chicken adobo?)...[/QUOTE]I have done LAX- (GUM) -MNL / MNL-LAX on PR. Those were looong flights, especially with the refueling in GUM on the way out (apparently they rarely do this any more as they use B777's more than B747's now. Better range). Food was okay, and plenty of it, service was okay, but broken IFE, broken seats, bassinets on the floor because of no attachment points.

But they have no direct competition for many long haul routes. PR are the only airline flying direct to MNL from LAX; United and Delta from the US converge on Narita and then diverge to various points in Asia, so a change of plane is required, which is a bit of a PITA. PR don't seem to interline with much else, at least ticketing anyway, so if you want a through ticket to, say, Davao from west coast US, you can either have PR or one of the Chinese airlines (I forget which), and that's your lot. So, many Filipinos prefer to take PR and I suppose many have some sort of pride in "their" airline. Crazy but that's the way it is.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1740785]

Skogis' point about the lack of sufficient local expertise to operate an airline to international standards is true, and not only for air transport, but for several areas of the service sectors.

The simple fact is that there are no institutional mechanisms here that would enable the service economy to achieve international standards nor, evidently, is there any particular desire to do so.

This is a country in which mediocrity is the norm, hyperbole the rule, and fantasy a permanent state of mind.

GE.[/QUOTE]This today from the Philstar make interesting reading in light of the FRs recently about the airport. Nothing will surprise the seasoned traveler among us. The fact that it has taken a few weeks for the report to be mentioned in the press is also alarming IMHO. It basically slams the entire airport and management, the lack of investment etc. Carries see NAIA as high risk is always comforting to the passenger. If the subject was not so serious it would be funny.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/07/02/1472363/global-carriers-tag-naia-high-risk-airport[/URL]

As GE pointed out there were plans for a new airport plus some politicians have pushed Clark (but that need huge investment in a rail service to Manila). But as he also noted, there is limited will to o anything unless people get there share of the pie first putting passengers etc well down the list of beneficiaries.

Read the last sentence, IATA (a least an authority on the subject) agrees that a new airport within a 50 kms radius of Manila is needed but pigs will fly first am sure.

Maybe this is already known here, but some dude who runs a popular blog put Philippines on blast a few months ago. He labelled it the easiest place on Earth to get laid, and even linked one of the dating sites. A lot of guys were calling him out on ruining the Phils.

I'll be there this month. Hoping the same thing that happened in China doesn't happen there.

I am sure he is trying to make money by selling advertising in his site with an increased traffic. There are many morons like him.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1742649]Maybe this is already known here, but some dude who runs a popular blog put Philippines on blast a few months ago. He labelled it the easiest place on Earth to get laid, and even linked one of the dating sites. A lot of guys were calling him out on ruining the Phils.

I'll be there this month. Hoping the same thing that happened in China doesn't happen there.[/QUOTE]

Recently there was discussion of bad-boy taxi drivers in Manila. I was one of those who poo-poo-ed that, saying that lately they had cleaned up their act. Well these things are like the weather here: just wait 15 minutes and it changes. With mucho rains recently in Manila, the worm has turned. I'm in a mall one evening during a downpour. Concluding my business I head out the front entrance, to find a massive line for the taxis. Seems nobody wants to walk in the downpour. I walk back inside and window-shop a bit, on my way to the rear entrance. I've got my umbrella, and its only just over half a mile to the hotel. By the time I reach the rear entrance, the rain has slowed nearly to a halt, barely a drizzle. I was tempted to walk to the hotel. But, there were taxis passing by, and nobody was in the taxi line. Easy pickings, right?

I step to the curb and a taxi pulls over. The driver rolls his window down and asks my destination. I tell him XYZ Hotel. He simply drove away. Another taxi pulls up and the driver asks my destination. XYZ Hotel. "Two hundred". What? Its a p45-50 fare (60-65 in mid-day traffic). Traffic is light. "Two hundred". Next, have a good day fella. Another taxi pulled up, with a similar result: the driver wanted 150. I told him meter+20, and he drove off.

I started to walk to the hotel (didn't need the umbrella). A moment later a taxi honked at me as he pulled over. XYZ Hotel fella. "One hundred". Eighty. "OK".

There you have it: rain makes them suddenly *ssholes.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1743708]There you have it: rain makes them suddenly *ssholes.[/QUOTE]It's the same way in China. Opportunistic. Personally, I'd gladly pay $5 to get a taxi in a downpour.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1743995]It's the same way in China. Opportunistic. Personally, I'd gladly pay $5 to get a taxi in a downpour.[/QUOTE]Yes. We were commenting recently on how that opportunism had dwindled. I have not experienced it I a long time (several years). In fact, two weeks prior, in two cities outside of Manila (Cebu and a province), I took taxis several times at downpour / heavy traffic times, and every driver performed flawlessly, no hint of opportunism.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1744367]Yes. We were commenting recently on how that opportunism had dwindled. I have not experienced it I a long time (several years). In fact, two weeks prior, in two cities outside of Manila (Cebu and a province), I took taxis several times at downpour / heavy traffic times, and every driver performed flawlessly, no hint of opportunism.[/QUOTE]It occurred again two days later. Same mall (rear entrance, where the taxis are unsupervised). Two drivers wanted p200 to go a p45-50 ride. A third driver agreed to 60 (hard rain).

I got an interesting explanation from the driver of why the sudden opporunism has come up. I didn't ask for any explaination, he just offered it (and who knows if this is true or not). He said he rents taxis for p1000 per 12 hour shift. Since the rains started last week, the owners have increased the fee by 300 per day during the 'tie-poons'. He said the owners are claiming extra damage to the returned taxis from the rain. Does not make much sense to me, but there you have what he told me.

I did not point out to him that adding 300 to his daily expenses, does *not* justify all rides going up by 150+ (you only need to opportunisitcally raise 2 fares by that much to recoup p300).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1744411]It occurred again two days later. Same mall (rear entrance, where the taxis are unsupervised). Two drivers wanted p200 to go a p45-50 ride. A third driver agreed to 60 (hard rain).[/QUOTE]West - Since it's going to be raining for the next few months, you should try out Uber. Although, Uber does have surge pricing -- at least it's somewhat upfront about it.

I have now lived in the Philippines for 12 hours. Cebu is my new home. Costa Rica, Sosua, Lake Chappala and finally (I hope) the Philippines. I plan to post information here that might be interesting to others who are planning to come to the Philippines. And from the perspective of someone 70 (young 70) years old. I will post each new subject with an appropriate subject line.

I called PAL before I came and asked if I needed a ticket OUT of the country when I made my reservation. They said NO. When I checked in for my flight at the airport they said I needed it. So I had to buy a refundable ticket for Hong Kong ($450) When I arrived here last night they could have cared less about a departing ticket. Conclusion is-no conclusion. I don't know what to say.

Hi PM, that is good to know. What city are you in?

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1745469]I have now lived in the Philippines for 12 hours. Cebu is my new home. Costa Rica, Sosua, Lake Chappala and finally (I hope) the Philippines. I plan to post information here that might be interesting to others who are planning to come to the Philippines. And from the perspective of someone 70 (young 70) years old. I will post each new subject with an appropriate subject line.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1745472]I called PAL before I came and asked if I needed a ticket OUT of the country when I made my reservation. They said NO. When I checked in for my flight at the airport they said I needed it. So I had to buy a refundable ticket for Hong Kong ($450) When I arrived here last night they could have cared less about a departing ticket. Conclusion is-no conclusion. I don't know what to say.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the Philippines, where consistency is not a valued trait. The law is that you must have a ticket out of here and it has been my experience that the check-in staff in the country from which you're departing will require a look at the ticket out of the Philippines; not because they really give a damn but because it's included in their checklist of requirements. I've never been asked for the ticket when arriving here, and I've now lived in country for about 11 years.

Let me know if you ever get the urge to explore Davao and I'll be glad to buy the first round.

GE.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1745472]I called PAL before I came and asked if I needed a ticket OUT of the country when I made my reservation. They said NO. When I checked in for my flight at the airport they said I needed it. So I had to buy a refundable ticket for Hong Kong ($450) When I arrived here last night they could have cared less about a departing ticket. Conclusion is-no conclusion. I don't know what to say.[/QUOTE]At check in, whether in US or BKK I have always been asked to show the exit ticket by all the airlines. No exit ticket no check in. I think the policy is if you get denied entry to the country then the airline has to fly you back at their expense. I like the idea of a refundable exit ticket for show.

About half the time I am asked to show the exit ticket at immigration. Half of the time of showing it I am waived on before I can show them. I imagine it depends on what counrty you are coming from. If you are from a third world country then they really want to see an exit ticket.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1745477]Welcome to the Philippines, where consistency is not a valued trait. The law is that you must have a ticket out of here and it has been my experience that the check-in staff in the country from which you're departing will require a look at the ticket out of the Philippines; not because they really give a damn but because it's included in their checklist of requirements. I've never been asked for the ticket
GE.[/QUOTE]The one place they seem to always insist on the out ticket policy is Hong Kong. Invariably if transiting through there the destination is CRK, if that means anything.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1745486]The one place they seem to always insist on the out ticket policy is Hong Kong. Invariably if transiting through there the destination is CRK, if that means anything.[/QUOTE]Most places in Asia ask (I have been asked in KL, BKK, HK for example) and it is truly a pain especially when you can get an extension legally from the BI in the city where you are staying. I was given a year visa the last time I entered (no idea why, maybe because I am so good looking?

When I leave Dubai I am never asked same in the UK and Europe. In Manila I am rarely asked and if I am I say " I am going soon just waiting for my client / company to say where and when, and if not soon I can always extend can't I?

That seems to work.

But I love that they ask as they sort of say "welcome to the Philippines, when are you leaving" LOL.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1745486]The one place they seem to always insist on the out ticket policy is Hong Kong. Invariably if transiting through there the destination is CRK, if that means anything.[/QUOTE]Bangkok had to go and get a copy from the Emirates desk, as I was having a short trip to LOS I did not carry my exit ticket from Phil with me but Cebu Pasific insisted on seeing it before booking me in.

Last month I had a ticket from EVA Air from Seattle to MNL and BKK to Seattle. I was going to buy my ticket in Philippines. At the airport they would not check me in without an exit ticket from Philippines. So, from my Iphone I bouth a Manila Phuket ticket from Cebu Pacific and got the information on my email. Then they insist to see a printed copy.

Than, I blew a fuse and they took me to their office and assist me to print it in their airport office. Moral of the story, you may need a back up plan if you are doing a multicity. Multi country trips.

[QUOTE=ColLaw;1745587]Bangkok had to go and get a copy from the Emirates desk, as I was having a short trip to LOS I did not carry my exit ticket from Phil with me but Cebu Pasific insisted on seeing it before booking me in.[/QUOTE]

If a traveler is denied entry to a country for some reason, my understanding, is that it is the airline that brought them to the country that has to return them to another country. Therefore it is in the airline's interest to ensure that passengers they are checking-in have the required documentation.

The really really big hole in all of this is that I use TripIt for my travel itineraries. When asked for proof of my return journey (which is often on a different carrier) and rarely on a 'return' ticket, I show them my TripIt app view on my iPhone.

That being said, my last exit from Brisbane, the agent made me carry a printed paper copy of my Manila exit tix.

That being said, I have never had a RP immigration officer ask for any proof of a return tix.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1745994]If a traveler is denied entry to a country for some reason, my understanding, is that it is the airline that brought them to the country that has to return them to another country. Therefore it is in the airline's interest to ensure that passengers they are checking-in have the required documentation.[/QUOTE]You are the one responsible for paying for your own deportation.

Upon arrival in phils, until about 3 years ago, they asked for my outbound / onward ticket *everytime* I didn't hand one to them. Since 3 years ago, its been about 50% of the times that they've asked for it. Don't know why the change at that time.

A few months ago arriving on KAL into Terminal 1, while deplaning, I could not find my full itinerary. I'd torn off the bottom half of the sheet of paper to write something on it, then lost it. I had only the inbound portion. I grabbed a KAL employee in the hallway and explained the situation. He took me to an office to print another for me. They found the itinerary, but could not get their printer working. He instead walked me to the front of an immigration queue and had the officer process my passport on his good word that I was outbound in 3 weeks. Stamp, stamp. "Enjoy Philippines sir". And I did.

Upon checkin with Korean Air in the US, they've insisted upon seeing my original credit card and my full itinerary (printed), so I can show it to phils immigration, [B]everytime[/B]. "Sir, you could be deported from Philippines if you don't have your printed onward ticket for the Immigration there".

Interesting. I travel nearly non-stop for business to more than 80 countries for the last 30 years or so and I have never been asked to show proof of exit.

Arriving maybe 50 times (give and take a few) into phils the last 3+ years I have never been asked for a returnticket by immigration. Checking in for the Manila leg in Oslo they have never asked me for a returnticket even if I don't return with same company or alliance than my outbound one(i often have multicity returns).

In BKK, if memory serves me right, I've been asked twice for my return ticket. If asked there will be no problem as I have allways a full changable / refundable ticket up my sleaves to show for if demanded. No printed initiary though. Never did I bring them. I believe I have been asked for the CC which I paid the trip with but only in MNL.

And Westie you are right about you have to pay your own deportation but your arriving airline are required to bring you back as soon as possible and in many cases this means, if their returnflight out of MNL are fully booked, they have to leave one paying customer behind. The settlement and cost of your deportation is made later as if you don't pay you will be denied entry into phils until you pay your debt.

So like, if I get a one-way ticket to the Philippines, there's a chance they could send me back?

What about the guys who just want to check out the place, have significant passive income and don't know how long they'll be there?

[QUOTE=ColLaw;1745587]Bangkok had to go and get a copy from the Emirates desk, as I was having a short trip to LOS I did not carry my exit ticket from Phil with me but Cebu Pasific insisted on seeing it before booking me in.[/QUOTE]Anytime anymore that I'm going in with no set departure, the remedy is just to get a Star Alliance reward ticket for the lowest reward mileage level, and then redeposit (no cost / penalty for Gold and 1 k).

[QUOTE=Skogis;1746034]Arriving maybe 50 times (give and take a few) into phils the last 3+ years I have never been asked for a returnticket by immigration. Checking in for the Manila leg in Oslo they have never asked me for a returnticket even if I don't return with same company or alliance than my outbound one(i often have multicity returns).

[/QUOTE]Skogis - Immigration is not responsible for looking at the return ticket. The airlines have this responsibility to verify that a person with a 1 way ticket has a exit ticket (they won't ask if you have a round trip ticket).

Like Skogis I have spent tweny years going in and out of Asian and African airports and never, but never asked about a return ticket. Add the USA and Canada also.

Manila is one of the more relaxed airports. The country needs tourism!

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1746035]What about the guys who just want to check out the place, have significant passive income and don't know how long they'll be there?[/QUOTE]There is a 30-day limit (which can be extended once in-country). You can go for more than 30 days by obtaining in advance a standard visa (up to 59 days).

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1746035]So like, if I get a one-way ticket to the Philippines, there's a chance they could send me back?

What about the guys who just want to check out the place, have significant passive income and don't know how long they'll be there?[/QUOTE]Different posters are sending mixed messages on what happens. I was flying out of NYC with a well know Asian carrier with complicated ticketing (I was going to Manila, staying for 2 weeks, then going to another country in Asia. They checked to see if I had an exit ticket out of the Philippines. I flew PAL with a 1 way ticket and they asked to see my exit ticket as well. All my other stays have been roundtrip tickets.

The airlines nor the ticket agent at check-in does not care about your personal situation etc. They are following the rules set down upon them by their corporate office and / or governmental regulations. Sure, you can take the risk someone is not going to ask, but that seems foolish to me.

I have a 1 way business class ticket that cost me approx $700 that is good until 2017. I may use the ticket before than to travel and / or I could get a refund if need be.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1746023]You are the one responsible for paying for your own deportation.[/QUOTE]No, the airline that brought you there is required to take you back at their expense if you are denied entry. However, that airline can then, of course, try to reclaim the expenses from you if they choose to do so.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1746035]So like, if I get a one-way ticket to the Philippines, there's a chance they could send me back?[/QUOTE]You wouldn't even get past check-in: the airlines know they are on the hook for carrying a passenger who doesn't meet the immigration requirements, so they won't even let you travel if suspect you won't be let in.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1746035]What about the guys who just want to check out the place, have significant passive income and don't know how long they'll be there?[/QUOTE]You buy a flexible / changeable / refundable ticket. I got stuck in Singapore once after I forgot to buy an onward ticket. The check-in supervisor actually took me to a public internet terminal to buy a refundable ticket (I think there was a fee for doing so but not much). While I was entering my details he saw my wife's Filipino passport and asked if we had our marriage certificate, which we did (it was our honeymoon). "Ah, you're good to go sir, no proof of onward travel required".

[QUOTE=Random99;1746141]Skogis - Immigration is not responsible for looking at the return ticket. The airlines have this responsibility to verify that a person with a 1 way ticket has a exit ticket (they won't ask if you have a round trip ticket).[/QUOTE]Well, immigration do have the responsibility as it's an immigration requirement. However, the airlines have already done this check so I assume they just ask people at random. I've only ever been asked when NOT on a round trip ticket which makes me wonder if immigration already know what ticket you have. Certainly immigration do in other countries: not so sure about PH.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1746153]Like Skogis I have spent tweny years going in and out of Asian and African airports and never, but never asked about a return ticket. Add the USA and Canada also.

Manila is one of the more relaxed airports. The country needs tourism![/QUOTE]Hmm. I have been in Manilla only two times, but both times they asked for returnticket.

Never asked in any other country.

Ten days ago I applied for Blue Shield of the Philippines. I was approved yesterday. Policy covers seniors (I stop being in my sixties tomorrow) The specific plan is [URL]http://www.bluecross.com.ph/index.php?&id=medicalplans&plan=brpremier[/URL] Blue Premier. The plan runs around $3000 per year. Limiting coverage to this part of the world brings it down to about $2200. This insurance is unique in the world. Not any plans like it that I am aware of. And yes I still have USA Medicare. And yes there are exclusions but nothing serious in my case.

[QUOTE=Random99;1746141]Skogis - Immigration is not responsible for looking at the return ticket. The airlines have this responsibility to verify that a person with a 1 way ticket has a exit ticket (they won't ask if you have a round trip ticket).[/QUOTE]Exactly and they never did ask me checking in in Oslo for a returnticket even if I many many times only have a one way ticket (I have returnticket but with different company alliance and many many times from other city outside phils). A round trip ticket goes without saying. Only in BKK I have been asked twice by Cebu Pacific and that's it.

For those of you concerned about your travel on a one-way ticket being inconvenienced by the demand of an onward ticket just buy an additional, refundable, one-way ticket with 1-year validity. You have to provide the agent a departure date, so choose one in the future that falls within the period of your visa. Yes, this ticket is more expensive than a discounted excursion ticket, which often aren't refundable, so the 'cost' is higher, but since you'll be refunding it later it needn't be a worry. You can cut your expense by choosing a nearby destination. You can also adjust the departure date to one later, but sometimes there is a nominal fee for this. The agent will email you a ticket with the new date. (This is useful when you are able to pick up a very cheap return fare, say Manila > HK > Manila, for a quick jaunt and may need to show proof of onward ticket departing Manila at a later date, just in case.) I've purchased these tickets directly from a brick-and-mortar agent rather than online and have processed the refund through the same agent. As long as your CC is adjusted and you don't have to physically pick up cash it really isn't a hassle.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1746195]No, the airline that brought you there is required to take you back at their expense if you are denied entry. However, that airline can then, of course, try to reclaim the expenses from you if they choose to do so.
[/QUOTE]I believe that correct. Am aware of two deportations in the last 7 years (one in phils) where the deported was asked point blank by the carrier how he / she intended to pay for the difference in prices between flights (different flight has a different price, and the change-fee). I can't think of any reason why they would not attempt to recoup on your mistake. If you used a credit card to pay for the flight, they are going to bill it.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1746485]I believe that correct. Am aware of two deportations in the last 7 years (one in phils) where the deported was asked point blank by the carrier how he / she intended to pay for the difference in prices between flights (different flight has a different price, and the change-fee). I can't think of any reason why they would not attempt to recoup on your mistake. If you used a credit card to pay for the flight, they are going to bill it.[/QUOTE]Whether they do try to reclaim depends on cost and effort involved. If the return plane is not full, and the passenger had a return ticket anyway (deported for other reasons), and from a 3rd world country, then they apparently rarely bother. But if the plane is full, bumping off a paying passenger, fined by immigration for failing to check whatever, long haul back from whence they came, from Europe / US etc, then they likely would try to sue the pants off you.

But the airline can't refuse to take the passenger just because payment hasn't been made before the deportation. That's up to the airline to sort out after the fact.

However, you don't have to go back to the last country of embarkation. If immigration and the airline are in agreement, you can buy yourself a ticket to anywhere. As long as you'll be accepted at that destination! Immigration is happy because you've gone, and the original airline is happy because they're off the hook.

But the best solution is to avoid the situation in the first place. And I hold my hands up for failing to remember the immigration rule of proof of onward travel. Fortunately the airline did its job of checking and the problem was resolved before leaving Singapore.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1746231]Ten days ago I applied for Blue Shield of the Philippines. I was approved yesterday. Policy covers seniors (I stop being in my sixties tomorrow) The specific plan is [URL]http://www.bluecross.com.ph/index.php?&id=medicalplans&plan=brpremier[/URL] Blue Premier. The plan runs around $3000 per year. Limiting coverage to this part of the world brings it down to about $2200. This insurance is unique in the world. Not any plans like it that I am aware of. And yes I still have USA Medicare. And yes there are exclusions but nothing serious in my case.[/QUOTE]No preexisting conditions (unless approved. LOL). Like old predatory US insurance companies.

No "fat bastards" (leaves me out. LOL).

Thanks but I'll stick with my Tricare Overseas Program from the DOD.

No preexisting conditions (unless approved. LOL). Like old predatory US insurance companies.

No "fat bastards" (leaves me out. LOL).

Thanks but I'll stick with my Tricare Overseas Program from the DOD.

Three sentences that in themselves offer readers no contribution to knowledge on the subject. On the other hand it is possible that some guy in Montana contemplating a new life in the Philippines may find the info on Blue Cross useful. (info on Tricare is great as a recruiting tool for military types and CIA types. Oh well.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1746223]Hmm. I have been in Manilla only two times, but both times they asked for return ticket.

Never asked in any other country.[/QUOTE]I just returned to Manila from an assignment which brought me through Bangkok for a 3 days stay.

I have a "permanent spouse visa" (aka ICR card) but decided to keep it in my pocket to see what happened at airline check-in (Thai Airways) when I handed over my ticket to return to Manila. I had large bags to check in.

Clerk looked through the ticket, checked again, then asked something of a supervisor who replied in Thai.

She then said "Where is your onward ticket from Philippines to next destination sir?"

At that point I feigned forgetfulness and produced the ICR card which produced smiles all round. No problems sir. You live in Philippines sir.

Clearly, Thai Airways in Bangkok requires proof that you have a ticket to leave Manila before they will fly you there.

However, I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags to print their own boarding pass. Is this an easy way to avoid having on onward ticket? Does the machine ask for details?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1747345]However, I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags to print their own boarding pass. Is this an easy way to avoid having on onward ticket? Does the machine ask for details?[/QUOTE]My guess would be it would tell you to check-in with a human. Sort of similar: you can't check-in online or at a machine for a flight to the US as a green card holder as the system can't find a valid ESTA for you (not required for GC holders) - at least with several of the big airlines like Delta anyway.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1747345]However, I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags to print their own boarding pass. Is this an easy way to avoid having on onward ticket? Does the machine ask for details?[/QUOTE]I check in online a lot and you are still required to go to the bag drop to 'validate' the boarding pass if you are checking in bags. So you would still be asked. Now if you have hand luggage only that maybe different. Never tried that as always have check in baggage.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1747530]I check in online a lot and you are still required to go to the bag drop to 'validate' the boarding pass if you are checking in bags. So you would still be asked. Now if you have hand luggage only that maybe different. Never tried that as always have check in baggage.[/QUOTE]You're not paying attention WR.

I said ". I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags. ".

Of course you need a human to check in and tag check-in bags.

Hey guys monger,

Here not sure where I should ask this, if I'm interested in visiting this place or Bangkok is this the right place to ask questions? My questions would be how much would I need to save up, probably most of the basic question thanks.

[QUOTE=ShadowWalk702;1748178]Hey guys monger,

Here not sure where I should ask this, if I'm interested in visiting this place or Bangkok is this the right place to ask questions? My questions would be how much would I need to save up, probably most of the basic question thanks.[/QUOTE]Welcome, fellow newly posting member!

That's a really vague question you're asking, and the way you phrased it didn't really help. Saving up for what? Flights (to here, or Bangkok), your whole trip (to here or Bangkok), just P4P? Why post in the Philippine general info section for information about Bangkok, Thailand?

These questions and more (except that last question, seriously WTF) can be answered by reading the (additional f!) forums, a phrase whose acronym I'm sure other people will introduce you to quickly. My rule of thumb is if you haven't seen it answered after 20 pages or 6 months, it's worth asking again (due to SE Asia being in one big constant state of flux).

Now, go read the Bangkok forums and develop your own concept of a budget--different strokes (hehe) for different folks.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1748262]Welcome, fellow newly posting member!

That's a really vague question you're asking, and the way you phrased it didn't really help. Saving up for what? Flights (to here, or Bangkok), your whole trip (to here or Bangkok), just P4P? Why post in the Philippine general info section for information about Bangkok, Thailand?

These questions and more (except that last question, seriously WTF) can be answered by reading the (additional f!) forums, a phrase whose acronym I'm sure other people will introduce you to quickly. My rule of thumb is if you haven't seen it answered after 20 pages or 6 months, it's worth asking again (due to SE Asia being in one big constant state of flux).

Now, go read the Bangkok forums and develop your own concept of a budget--different strokes (hehe) for different folks.[/QUOTE]Thank you okay here we go then!

I live in Las Vegas, I plan on visiting the Phillipines or Thailand, which would would you guys recommend and why? How much should I be saving up for the flight / fun? I'd love to stay for a week or two? What do you guys think is best longer or shorter time? I don't really drink but I'd love to be able to see a girl every day I'm there. How much do girls generally run to see in Philippines / Bangkok? Do you guys strictly pick up girls who are working or do you pull civilians?

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1748160]You're not paying attention WR.

I said ". I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags. ".

Of course you need a human to check in and tag check-in bags.[/QUOTE]True.

Paying attention. Well I hate to say this but a sure you are pleased to hear this, but you are not cute and slime etc so I have trouble at my advanced years to pay attention at times LOL.

Seriously, once I do the self check in (and I do it online a lot now as saves a lot of hassle IMHO) they still ask for that pesky return ticket.

Well one thing for sure. This is no time in our live to be hating malls. Do they have malls! S M Mall, Robinsons Fuente, and Ayala. All in Cebu. S M Mall and Alyala are huge. Huge by anyone standards. The country is third world but when in the mall you are 1st world. Especially Alyala. I could go on about designer this and restaurant that but not now. Suffice it to say that hanging around the outdoor cafes and coffee places really works for me. Really a delight. The food court prices will knock you over for being cheap! My girl ate for $2. 00 and loved it. Again, nice places, clean seating and nice clientele. The restaurants out on the outdoor style terrace all look inviting and are very inexpensive. I have started to not look at prices. I will do a write up on prices of things as time goes by.

Twice I walked away from our table outside on the Terraces and was hit on by different girls. I loved it. Finally something happening. One was very cute. I thought she was about 21. Nope. 32! I gave here my new phone number and maybe she will call tomorrow. This is a very good sign about meeting my future needs. I will going there alone this week for sure. Starbucks and chicas. Not a bad life.

Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me in the right direction?

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1746443]For those of you concerned about your travel on a one-way ticket being inconvenienced by the demand of an onward ticket just buy an additional, refundable, one-way ticket with 1-year validity. You have to provide the agent a departure date, so choose one in the future that falls within the period of your visa. Yes, this ticket is more expensive than a discounted excursion ticket, which often aren't refundable, so the 'cost' is higher, but since you'll be refunding it later it needn't be a worry. You can cut your expense by choosing a nearby destination. You can also adjust the departure date to one later, but sometimes there is a nominal fee for this. The agent will email you a ticket with the new date. (This is useful when you are able to pick up a very cheap return fare, say Manila > HK > Manila, for a quick jaunt and may need to show proof of onward ticket departing Manila at a later date, just in case.) I've purchased these tickets directly from a brick-and-mortar agent rather than online and have processed the refund through the same agent. As long as your CC is adjusted and you don't have to physically pick up cash it really isn't a hassle.[/QUOTE]After many years experience traveling to Philippines, here are my observations on getting the exit ticket for Philippine immigration requirements:

1) Avoid buying the return ticket from a travel agent, it makes getting any refund slower and more complicated. Some will even try and say they will use the money refunded against a future ticket purchase.

2) Avoid buying the ticket on some airlines such as those in the Gulf area. Some of those airlines take many weeks to give a refund on a cancelled ticket.

3) Forget about automatic check in, even with no check-in bags, the counter will still want to inspect your passport / visa & exit ticket before giving a boarding pass.

4) I suspect a lot of the enthusiasm in requiring an exit ticket is to force you to buy one at the counter. Immigration in the Philippines rarely ask to see the ticket.

5) If you need to get a ticket, obviously buy the cheapest possible eg. Routing MNL to BKK or MNL to Singapore.

6) Buy an exit ticket a few days before expiry of your allowed exit date on your visa or allowed stay time (without visa), just in case you are ill or there is a typhoon on your planned exit date.

[QUOTE=ShadowWalk702;1748290]Thank you okay here we go then!

I live in Las Vegas, I plan on visiting the Phillipines or Thailand, which would would you guys recommend and why? How much should I be saving up for the flight / fun? I'd love to stay for a week or two? What do you guys think is best longer or shorter time? I don't really drink but I'd love to be able to see a girl every day I'm there. How much do girls generally run to see in Philippines / Bangkok? Do you guys strictly pick up girls who are working or do you pull civilians?

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Go to both as I do, it is cheap to fly between the two countries. 8 days in each country should do, any longer and you wasting money. It is important to read the forum especially the reports of distinction thread and make notes on cost, clubs, bars, getting from A to be. All depending on your habits you can generalize your costs per day. Overall it cannot be stressed enough, reading the forum is of the most importance before undertaking a maiden trip to S E Asia.

As in any society girls are available wherever, a smile, gesture, charm will do, bargirls are not your only option. Enjoy and do let us know how you got on.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1749070]After many years experience traveling to Philippines, here are my observations on getting the exit ticket for Philippine immigration requirements:

1) Avoid buying the return ticket from a travel agent, it makes getting any refund slower and more complicated. Some will even try and say they will use the money refunded against a future ticket purchase.

2) Avoid buying the ticket on some airlines such as those in the Gulf area. Some of those airlines take many weeks to give a refund on a cancelled ticket.

3) Forget about automatic check in, even with no check-in bags, the counter will still want to inspect your passport / visa & exit ticket before giving a boarding pass.

4) I suspect a lot of the enthusiasm in requiring an exit ticket is to force you to buy one at the counter. Immigration in the Philippines rarely ask to see the ticket.

5) If you need to get a ticket, obviously buy the cheapest possible eg. Routing MNL to BKK or MNL to Singapore.

6) Buy an exit ticket a few days before expiry of your allowed exit date on your visa or allowed stay time (without visa), just in case you are ill or there is a typhoon on your planned exit date.[/QUOTE]All sensible advice FP. Re Point 4: Immigration will rarely ask to see a ticket because they know the airlines are required to check it. However, just last week a colleague of mine was actually asked, out of left field, where he was going after Manila. He said "back to Australia" and the immigration guy said "where in Australia? After he replied "Sydney" the officer asked "when"? At this stage, my colleague, who wasn't sure exactly when, took out his ticket, checked it and told the guy the date. Apparently satisfied, he was allowed to go on his way.

So there is always a chance the immigration guy will ask you something about your onward journey.

I cannot see any reason for anyone coming to the Philippines not to have an onward ticket anyway, especially if it allows flight changes down the line (usually it's not much more expensive, and it allows piece of mind). Buying a cheap ticket with locked-in dates is high risk IMHO, especially in the Phils where lots of things can go wrong.

BTW. I just returned from Laos on an early morning departure exactly 9 hours after my visa had expired at midnight on the day before. Off to the side room to pay my $7 usd fine (it's $7 per day) with receipt and all. Virtually no delay for me but it was a reminder not to f**k around with immigration requirements although it was apparent to them that I had extended for 30 days which was the maximum allowed. The Lao immig guy who fined me knew (from his computer) that I have NEVER overstayed anywhere before, because he told me when he joked that I should have left yesterday.

[QUOTE=ShadowWalk702;1749063]Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me int the right direction?[/QUOTE]Why can't you research airline prices that gives you an idea of travel costs to the country. If you fly First Class then clearly this is a tad more expensive than Cattle Class or a freebie using frequent flyer miles / reward programme.

Then you an research hotel discount web sites that if you had RTFF (methinks you did not bother) you would find a variety of suggestions.

If you further RTFF then other costs are easy to find. Or Google as it is also there.

This is what many do when visiting a new place (myself included) so why do you think you are special and need assistance.

The Philippines thread has a wealth of information. If you spend time to check and research the forum.

RTFF and you will find LOL.

[QUOTE=ShadowWalk702;1749063]Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me int the right direction?[/QUOTE]I think WR and others have been quite gentle with you SW702.

I guess you haven't travelled much because the questions that you asked simply cannot be answered by anyone, because there are too many variables.

For example, travel expenses.

To get to Manila, you can buy a first class seat or you can get a cut-price budget seat that might be available for one-day only. As WR suggests, you need to log in to the various carriers. I receive emails from a couple of airlines whenever they have specials available.

Again; travelling around places like Manila can vary from walking to using regular taxis to buses to trains to having a hotel taxi. Prices can vary from 8 pesos to 1500 pesos depending on distance and mode of travel.

So many variables.

Re being cautious. No difference whether you're in LV, LA, Sydney, London, Rome, Manila or Bkk.

Pickpockets lurk everywhere.

You need simple common sense, and an ability to make quick decisions based on your own acceptance of levels of risk.

Now go and read the ISG forums; start with the Philippines Manila thread and work backwards.

Then go to Thailand Bangkok reports and read backwards and decide where you fit in the universe.

[QUOTE=ShadowWalk702;1749063]Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me int the right direction?[/QUOTE]No problem sir. Travel is very cheap. Best to get plane tickets on sale usually booking in advance gets you the best price. Hotels and food are so cheap, no need to count your pesos or bahts. Transportation is very cheap and abundant too.

No need to read and learn from other people's experience. Just go and experience it yourself. If you have any trouble or run low on money then just go to your respective embassy for help.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1749416]I think WR and others have been quite gentle with you SW702.

I guess you haven't travelled much because the questions that you asked simply cannot be answered by anyone, because there are too many variables.

So many variables.

Now go and read the ISG forums; start with the Philippines Manila thread and work backwards.

Then go to Thailand Bangkok reports and read backwards and decide where you fit in the universe.[/QUOTE]Rk,

Are you trying to malign my reputation as an "abrasive poster" - or so say certain people LOL. Am really a cuddly teddy bear with a few kinks (insert smiley here).

It did cross my mind not to be that 'gentle' but really the whole FR was full of so many variables as you said, and could be organised / answered say in 30-60 minutes with Google, RTFF and other consolidator web sites.

Sometimes I wonder about people who can't even do the basic in this Internet age. I know we are both old fogeys (but I am way more guapo LOL) but both of us can figure out an order of magnitude answer to those questions using our own gumption so can most people methinks.

You crack me up, Dg! You forgot to mention the pussy is very cheap, too, and sometimes free!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1749434]No problem sir. Travel is very cheap. Best to get plane tickets on sale usually booking in advance gets you the best price. Hotels and food are so cheap, no need to count your pesos or bahts. Transportation is very cheap and abundant too.

No need to read and learn from other people's experience. Just go and experience it yourself. If you have any trouble or run low on money then just go to your respective embassy for help.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;1749591]You crack me up, Dg! You forgot to mention the pussy is very cheap, too, and sometimes free!

.[/QUOTE]Oh crap! I thought that was the hole purpose for the visex, free pussy or peso cheap ones! Oh, I am giving too much info now.

On the Todays EK332 arrival from Dubai I was strangly the first deplaning. The usual masstransportationsystem aka peoplemover was out of order. We docked at a remote gate so this was the first one. I did almost lose my breath as the second peoplemover belt WAS ACTUALLY working. No traffic in immigration (business class line) and bags arrived 10 min after. Easy breeze, 20 min or so at the T3 before heading to Fairmont. Haven't been here so many times so when the girls allready started to pop in 30 min after my arrival here they raised some eyebrows but nothing I am worried about. After 3 girlie encounters since 6:30pm they will get used to it. Number 4, a 2am arrival, is on her way:-)

A debate has been running of the Philippines "Other Areas" board about the oversight of the board, moderation, and freedom of expression. I now cut and post my response on that forum to this "General Info" forum, as I think it more appropriate here.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1750582]I'm saying there are basically two ways to run the board:
1) Let anyone post anything he wants.
2) Keep some kind of order to it.

I prefer #2.[/QUOTE]I agree with your opinion Westcoast. But it is a free board where it is so easy for anyone to post anything, anywhere, (like here under "Other Areas" We do need some form of disciplined approach and order. And it is through guys like yourself WC that the Philippines Forum is one of ISG's better ones. I also agree WC with your stance on the "Photo Galley" being for posting of photos and not being clogged up with other comments when there is a separate "Photo Gallery Chit Chat" for photo discussion and feedback.

But, my opinion, I do disagree with you WC on the need to post a field report before you can ask a forum question. I don't mind questions from anyone, newbies or otherwise. But questions where the answers are pretty obvious with a simple scroll back in the forum or a simple Google search, should be exposed for what they are -lazy research. I am with you WC on those that keep asking questions, but never see a report of the ultimate exerience.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1750686]Most of the lazy questions come from newbies who discover the board and immediately fire off some inane request that regular readers know has been "done to death" in many different places. I just skip past them nowadays; I cannot even be bothered reminding them to RTFF. What's the point of encouraging lazy newbies who (in WCs words) take but don't give (rhetorical question).[/QUOTE]Well said Red Kilt. It is these lazy, sometimes inane, questions that can frustrate more experienced members like WC who, I must say is one of the most generous in sharing information, and photos, on these forums, or by way of a personal messages.

Kongking.

[QUOTE=KongKing;1750716]But, my opinion, I do disagree with you WC on the need to post a field report before you can ask a forum question. I don't mind questions from anyone, newbies or otherwise. But questions where the answers are pretty obvious with a simple scroll back in the forum or a simple Google search, should be exposed for what they are -lazy research. I am with you WC on those that keep asking questions, but never see a report of the ultimate exerience.

Well said Red Kilt. It is these lazy, sometimes inane, questions that can frustrate more experienced members like WC who, I must say is one of the most generous in sharing information, and photos, on these forums, or by way of a personal messages.

Kongking.[/QUOTE]Well said KK. My issue is that those who are 'called out' tend be the lazy kind and then object to be asked to provide a read more. On the UAE board they are termed 'manager class' - plenty of those and mostly from the Indian sub continent as well (look at the Indian board for really bad examples).

The manager class can ruin a board and over time take it over where everyone asks for information so those with it drop off.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1750546]On the Todays EK332 arrival from Dubai I was strangly the first deplaning. The usual masstransportationsystem aka peoplemover was out of order. We docked at a remote gate so this was the first one. I did almost lose my breath as the second peoplemover belt WAS ACTUALLY working. No traffic in immigration (business class line) and bags arrived 10 min after. Easy breeze, 20 min or so at the T3 before heading to Fairmont. Haven't been here so many times so when the girls allready started to pop in 30 min after my arrival here they raised some eyebrows but nothing I am worried about. After 3 girlie encounters since 6:30pm they will get used to it. Number 4, a 2am arrival, is on her way:-)[/QUOTE]I'm at the Fairmont as well, though absent an entourage. Hope you enjoy the hotel. Maybe we'll run into each other at breakfast.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1750873]I'm at the Fairmont as well, though absent an entourage. Hope you enjoy the hotel. Maybe we'll run into each other at breakfast.

GE.[/QUOTE]Hehe I can not remember last time I did a hotelbreakfast. It could happen if I get in from lets say a nightclub and the dine is open. I PM you.

[QUOTE=KongKing;1750716]A debate has been running of the Philippines "Other Areas" board about the oversight of the board, moderation, and freedom of expression. I now cut and post my response on that forum to this "General Info" forum, as I think it more appropriate here.

g.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for bringing the discussion to here. Actually it was a better idea that more folks can read and get informed.

[QUOTE=KongKing;1750716]But, my opinion, I do disagree with you WC on the need to post a field report before you can ask a forum question. I don't mind questions from anyone, newbies or otherwise. But questions where the answers are pretty obvious with a simple scroll back in the forum or a simple Google search, should be exposed for what they are -lazy research. I am with you WC on those that keep asking questions, but never see a report of the ultimate exerience.
[/QUOTE]Gents, thanks for the feedback. I guess I can lighten up on newb members, and possibly respond to their questions in PM.

WC.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1751039]Gents, thanks for the feedback. I guess I can lighten up on newb members, and possibly respond to their questions in PM.

WC.[/QUOTE]As I said in another post WC: I usually send a PM to those newbs who are actually paid-up members but I just ignore the lazy questions from guys who are not members. Ignoring is sometimes just as effective as flaming.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1751039]Gents, thanks for the feedback. I guess I can lighten up on newb members, and possibly respond to their questions in PM.

WC.[/QUOTE]Yeah as RK just ignore nubes. In the photosection I think you do great job policing though. Keep that one up but in general sections let them be left alone ex the ones bothering to pay membership.

3 weeks ago.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1751160]3 weeks ago.[/QUOTE]West. I just went to changed some money today at Czarina foreign exchange in Glorietta. It was 45.40 (within. 15 of the spot rate).

With a bunch of guys, I had gone to one of the local girl bars.

After a short time, my attention was caught by a gorgeous pinay tucked between the legs of one of the guys next to me, and she was rubbing her ass in his crotch. She had a very pretty face, flashing smile, bubbly personality. And a tight spinner body.

He had his arms draped familiarly around her shoulders.

I asked if they had known each other for a while. The story came out from both of them.

She pulled down the front of her micro skirt to show his name tattooed across her pubic bone.

They had known each other for about 7 years. He had come across her at that time as a GRO in another local bar, and had barfined her. From then, he was a fairly regular customer.

After a while, one evening when he was about to BF her again, the other girls clamored that it was her birthday, and that they should all go back to his apartment.

The girls there tried to push the two of them into the bedroom for a quick boom boom, when he casually asked how old she was.

The girls were all laughing when they told him that this was her 16th birthday. He reared back, and told her that he cannot do this any more. So they cooled it for 2 years, till she was 18, and they restarted. Now she is 22.

She was laughing her head off when she explained that she had borrowed her sister's birth certificate, and had had a few other IDs created around it. So the bar recognized her as being 18, and legal.

So gents, there you have it. Be conservative.

Regards,

G

After an absence of about 6 weeks, the GF and I went to our favourite pinoy bar.

We were a bit later than usual, and we stayed a bit later than usual. Past 1 am. Way past my bed time.

We got there at about 9 pm, the place was about a third full. Maybe 20 customers. Some girls getting drinks. Maybe 5 or 6.

There were more dancers doing their numbers naked than usual, and some of them were directly flashing their pussies at my GF. Wow.

As the night went on, more groups of guys coming in, usually with one guy buying drinks, and at some time, agreeing to ladies drinks. So the mamasan organizes a line-up, and some girls are chosen for closer attention.

Later in the evening, a beautiful, tall, slim dancer stripped naked. After her routine, she was sitting at the front of the stage, and a bunch of young guys was calling across to her, and her friend. Both of them moved over to two of the guys. The gorgeous one stared a long, saucy routine, to extract more ladies drinks from her customer. Bra and panties only, then grinding her ass in the crotch, then turn around, grinding pubic bone into his crotch, the bra off and tits in face. Then turn around and pull down panties to show bare ass. This went on for a good hour, and we both found it really amusing. Both of them were having a great time. But it seemed that at some time he ran out of money (ld at 400 pesos), and she cleared off, with her friend.

Where we were sitting, at the front corner of the stage, we were also looking into the dressing room. The door was always open. Interestingly, when many of the girls finished their routines still dressed, as soon as they got into the dressing room, they stripped off and ran around in the buff.

At about 1 am, I went to the CR, which is on a slightly higher level. And when I came out, I looked around the room. The place was packed, Waiters were scrounging around for every chair that they could find. I estimated about 70 customers pouring beers down their throats. Almost all of the girls were with customers pulling LD's. Bustling around, women walking around the room naked, the place was a real money machine.

Just amazing.

As always before, the GF was really hot, turned on. Life is good.

G

[QUOTE=Random99;1751305]West. I just went to changed some money today at Czarina foreign exchange in Glorietta. It was 45.40 (within. 15 of the spot rate).[/QUOTE]Thanks R99. The needle continues to inch up. Few weeks ago I was getting 45.00 to 45.05 in Cebu and also the province. When I returned to Makati, in the Burgos area the places were quoting 44.80-44.95; and then in Malate it was 44.90-45.00 (just one place had 45, the rest were just a hair below 45.00).

[QUOTE=Random99;1751305]West. I just went to changed some money today at Czarina foreign exchange in Glorietta. It was 45.40 (within. 15 of the spot rate).[/QUOTE]Guess this is the place to go now. I presume all the locations have the same rate going right?

PC out.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1751414]Thanks R99. The needle continues to inch up. Few weeks ago I was getting 45.00 to 45.05 in Cebu and also the province. When I returned to Makati, in the Burgos area the places were quoting 44.80-44.95; and then in Malate it was 44.90-45.00 (just one place had 45, the rest were just a hair below 45.00).[/QUOTE]I've never been interested in forex before although I did interview for a trading job out of school. Looking back, the job seemed a little Boiler roomish and I ended up getting a normal job instead. I did look at the dollar vs PHP charts and holy heck, in the mid-2000's. The rate was bonkers. I can't imagine what it would be like if the rate climbed up to the mid-50's range.

The dollar has been getting stronger (haven't cared enough to research why). To do a fair comparison, it's good just to google "dollar vs philippine peso". You'll get the current spot rate and you'll be able to compare vs the store's rate.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1751440]Guess this is the place to go now. I presume all the locations have the same rate going right?

PC out.[/QUOTE]

My general rule is not to assume anything in PH. Common sense would say they are the same for all branches, but *shrug* - it's the Philippines.

[QUOTE=ShadowWalk702;1748290]Thank you okay here we go then!

I live in Las Vegas, I plan on visiting the Phillipines or Thailand, which would would you guys recommend and why? How much should I be saving up for the flight / fun? I'd love to stay for a week or two? What do you guys think is best longer or shorter time? I don't really drink but I'd love to be able to see a girl every day I'm there. How much do girls generally run to see in Philippines / Bangkok? Do you guys strictly pick up girls who are working or do you pull civilians?

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]I am going to make a judgement call and read between the lines. Seems like you don't have a lot of travel sense, so I would recommend Thailand. If the comparison is Bangkok vs Manila and Pattaya vs Angeles, Thailand has a leg up on being a bit more user friendly and modern.

I am not going to comment on how much you need to save since it should be obvious that there is a range of prices for airlines / hotels which is readily available on the internet. I would budget $50-$200 / day for the girls depending on your taste level.

Hi guys,

I was wondering does anyone know any good sites to learn about The Philippines as I have never been there and know nothing at all I am trying to get all the resources I can especially mongering side of things.

If you know any good sites that you don't want mentioned I can accept private messages I just signed up.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Gangles;1751327]After an absence of about 6 weeks, the GF and I went to our favourite pinoy bar.

SNIP

Where we were sitting, at the front corner of the stage, we were also looking into the dressing room. The door was always open. Interestingly, when many of the girls finished their routines still dressed, as soon as they got into the dressing room, they stripped off and ran around in the buff.

At about 1 am, I went to the CR, which is on a slightly higher level. And when I came out, I looked around the room. The place was packed, Waiters were scrounging around for every chair that they could find. I estimated about 70 customers pouring beers down their throats. Almost all of the girls were with customers pulling LD's. Bustling around, women walking around the room naked, the place was a real money machine.

Just amazing.[/QUOTE]Davao? Makati / Burgos? AC? What bar? You gave me a stiffie with that FR.

Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.

Guys,

In Manila for 7-8 days and then I would like to take a side trip too one of these 2 places. Cost isn't really a factor but I may want to take 1 or 2 ladies with me. Which is the better place to go or if I go alone which place has the better girl option there. It would be very nice to lay on the beach and get laid all day lone too. LOL.

Any comments and suggestions are appreciated.

PC out.

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;1751732]Hi guys,

I was wondering does anyone know any good sites to learn about The Philippines as I have never been there and know nothing at all I am trying to get all the resources I can especially mongering side of things.

If you know any good sites that you don't want mentioned I can accept private messages I just signed up.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Before Westy kicks your ass (or worse): you've just found it (obviously). Just read the threads, that's what a forum like this is for: reading. Not asking questions right away.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1751981]Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Really? (see also previous reply).

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1751981]Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you are asking this question as a joke or what? There is a whole thread here on how to get to AC from Manila by bus and by car.

Since you might be 'Manager Class', getting a car from your Manila hotel straight to your AC hotel might be the best option at between 2,500 - 3000 PHP.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1752148]I'm not sure if you are asking this question as a joke or what? There is a whole thread here on how to get to AC from Manila by bus and by car.

Since you might be 'Manager Class', getting a car from your Manila hotel straight to your AC hotel might be the best option at between 2,500 - 3000 PHP.[/QUOTE]I think DD is trolling to try to get someone like Westy or WR to lash out at him.

Some of us who read this forum daily shake our heads and wonder that if some of these guys ever do make their way to the Philippines they will get eaten alive by girls, touts and assorted thugs. As my old Mum would say: "he shouldn't be let out on his own".

That said, Don my good fellow: check out [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3655-What-is-the-best-way-to-travel-to-Angeles-City-from-Manila-[/URL](NAIA) -airport. I am sure you can guess your way around the additional information needed to get there from your hotel if not NAIA.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1751981]Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Who ever can tell him how, please show him how to catch the bus from Angeles back to Manila.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1751780]Davao? Makati / Burgos? AC? What bar? You gave me a stiffie with that FR.[/QUOTE]Most likely in the Subic / AC area; but the specific name of the bar is the type of info that should only be shared via PM as we all know various law enforcement groups and NGO's peruse the board = name the bar, they raid it and the good times go away.

At G = sounds like you and GF1 are having a great time and getting settled in. Thanks for the report and look forward to seeing you when I get back.

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;1751732]Hi guys,

I was wondering does anyone know any good sites to learn about The Philippines as I have never been there and know nothing at all I am trying to get all the resources I can especially mongering side of things.

If you know any good sites that you don't want mentioned I can accept private messages I just signed up.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Looking at the 5 FRs appears you maybe an Aussie. If so this is embarrassing for Aussies that you ask such a question on a board like this. Not sure if RK and others would be proud to say they are Aussie to after this type of FR would question the IQ of Aussies LOL.

Why not try Google? Always a good start.

Here is a good one: [URL]http://feelippines.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;1751732]Hi guys,

I was wondering does anyone know any good sites to learn about The Philippines as I have never been there and know nothing at all I am trying to get all the resources I can especially mongering side of things.

If you know any good sites that you don't want mentioned I can accept private messages I just signed up.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JiffyPark;1751732]Hi guys,

I was wondering does anyone know any good sites to learn about The Philippines as I have never been there and know nothing at all I am trying to get all the resources I can especially mongering side of things.

If you know any good sites that you don't want mentioned I can accept private messages I just signed up.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I'm rereading a book called "America's Boy," written by an author named Hamilton. It offers perhaps the best, most profound, explanation of Philippine culture I've ever read, and sets cultural habits and characteristics into a rich historical context. I think if you read that, you will not more about this place than 90% of those who contribute to this board. This latter comment isn't meant to disparage anyone, but the book contains so much rich socio-cultural information, and is so well researched, that it casual visitors here would be unlikely to randomly discover such information themselves. I find myself going back to read entire passages that establish contexts for behaviors that I've never been able to understand before.

GE.

I live in a very uninspiring neighborhood here in Cebu and the apartment building has 5 MB x. 60 MB wired Internet of which I am usually the only user. The carrier is PLDT. Happy to report the service is pretty good with few if any interruptions. I bought a Tattoo 3 g unit that connects via its own wifi or USB. Forget it, at least where I live. Almost doesn't connect at all. So don't count on it at least in my poor neighborhood.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1752709]I'm rereading a book called "America's Boy," written by an author named Hamilton. It offers perhaps the best, most profound, explanation of Philippine culture I've ever read, and sets cultural habits and characteristics into a rich historical context. I think if you read that, you will not more about this place than 90% of those who contribute to this board. This latter comment isn't meant to disparage anyone, but the book contains so much rich socio-cultural information, and is so well researched, that it casual visitors here would be unlikely to randomly discover such information themselves. I find myself going back to read entire passages that establish contexts for behaviors that I've never been able to understand before.

GE.[/QUOTE]Interestingly, [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] has two versions of the book by the same name, same author (two different publishers, different number of pages):

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Century-Colonialism-Philippines/dp/0805061185/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-2&keywords=america's+boy[/URL]

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Marcoses-Philippines-Faber-ebook/dp/B00KV1HYNY/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-3&keywords=america's+boy[/URL]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1752473]Looking at the 5 FRs appears you maybe an Aussie. If so this is embarrassing for Aussies that you ask such a question on a board like this. Not sure if RK and others would be proud to say they are Aussie to after this type of FR would question the IQ of Aussies LOL.

Why not try Google? Always a good start.[/QUOTE]I doubt I am the first to think of this, but just a thought. I checked the version of VBulletin that ISG runs on and it should support Sticky threads. We can Sticky a few posts that appear at the top of the forum to answer the most common newbie questions. I imagine Jackson has a reason for not enabling this feature for select moderators in times past, but it may be worth a try to ask him again.

Just a couple of ideas for good sticky threads:

1. The Newbie's guide to mongering in the Philippines with sample itineraries for 3 day, 7 day, and 14 day trips.

2. The guide to mongering in AC.

3. Top ten things to do in the Philippines besides mongering. Stuff like a trip to Tagaytay, the Chocolate Hills, Palawan or Borocay, Scuba, whale sharks, etc.

4. Playing the Manila Dating site game like a pro. By Skogis.

5. The definitive guide to Mongering in Makati by Hutsori.

[QUOTE=XMan;1752531]Here is a good one: [URL]http://feelippines.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]Nice one XMan, seen a few similar blogs etc around in cyberspace.

Jiffy Park sent me an email in response to my FR regarding using Google etc (see below) calling me a moron. Thanks Jiffy - 5 FRs and people who live her and contribute are morons?

Oh well see'est LE vie JP but I see you got hundreds of replies to you rather inane question on a board with so much information you don't even need Google.

GE = good FR and something I will read (probably too high brow for JP LOL).

Thanks for the information much appreciated, I like the sticky idea which would help a lot of newbie.

In my recent trip I met a girl (a repeat girl from previous trips)I could not bang. She had become to chubby. She started out as a spinner approx 2 months back. Got herself a overseas WU bloke and obviously now uses all her time digging in all the fastfoods she can get hold of. I had to let her go. In 2 months she gained an awful lot of pounds. Is this what we want? Atleast I don't. With a humoristic twist let them girl be so they have to work for the money.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1752879]Interestingly, [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] has two versions of the book by the same name, same author (two different publishers, different number of pages):

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Century-Colonialism-Philippines/dp/0805061185/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-2&keywords=america's+boy[/URL]

[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Marcoses-Philippines-Faber-ebook/dp/B00KV1HYNY/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-3&keywords=america's+boy[/URL][/QUOTE]I have the book in front of me. I read it soon after I first came to the Philippines.

It is called "America's Boy: The Marcoses and the Philippines" by James Hamilton-Paterson. It's a well-researched biography of Marcos and his wife but has lots of stereotypes in it that show the author's bias.

My copy is published by Anvil Publishing; first printed in 1998 and printed onn that horrible cheap newsprint favored by Philippines book publishers; available from National Books. The faded price tag says 210 php so if it is still in print it may cost more now. (PS. I just noticed on Westy's link that Amazon have it available on Kindle for $12.86, so it's still available).

My own preference if you want to understand filipino culture more is to read the books by F. Sionil Jose. He writes like Rizal by putting fiction into exact historical places and context. The best one for understanding the filipino woman is "Ermita", about a filipina of that name (no prizes for guessing where she was born).

[QUOTE=WhatsUrName;1752946] We can Sticky a few posts that appear at the top of the forum to answer the most common newbie questions.[/QUOTE]Though technically not stickies there are 'user blogs' - at the main Philippines' forum page scroll down and you'll see them - anyone can create and others can add to. I made two, one for Viagra and the other for Angeles transport to / from NAIA, because I grew tired of seeing these two questions asked every other day. Certainly the short-day 1-day or less user blog would be a good addition.

[QUOTE=WhatsUrName;1752946]
5. The definitive guide to Mongering in Makati by Hutsori.[/QUOTE]I'm the wrong fella to ask about that. I use the dating sites, craigslist, and once or twice a week check a few bars and nightclubs. I rarely go to Burgos and Havana; when I do it's because I have some friends in town.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1753023]My own preference if you want to understand filipino culture more is to read the books by F. Sionil Jose. He writes like Rizal by putting fiction into exact historical places and context. The best one for understanding the filipino woman is "Ermita", about a filipina of that name (no prizes for guessing where she was born).[/QUOTE]I echo this recommendation of F. Sionil Jose. [U]Gagamba[/U] I feel it's his best single novel and the five-novel Rosales saga is excellent. He owns La Solidaridad bookshop in Ermita's Padre Faura St, a store filled with Philippine-centric works on politics, economics, and society. He also writes opinion pieces, such as this one [URL]http://www.philstar.com/arts-and-culture/725822/why-we-are-shallow[/URL], in the Philstar newspaper. He has strong anti-Chinoy views that some have labelled racist, so there's a trigger warning.

Another great novelist is Nick Joaquin, [U]The Woman Who Had Two Navels[/U], but I'd recommend his [U]Culture and History[/U], a collection of essays that challenge contemporary Filipino nationalism.

Historian, writer and journalist Ambeth Ocampo, who Jose admires, ought to be read by those interested in Rizal and the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1753037]I echo this recommendation of F. Sionil Jose. [U]Gagamba[/U] I feel it's his best single novel and the five-novel Rosales saga is excellent. He owns La Solidaridad bookshop in Ermita's Padre Faura St, a store filled with Philippine-centric works on politics, economics, and society. He also writes opinion pieces, such as this one [URL]http://www.philstar.com/arts-and-culture/725822/why-we-are-shallow[/URL], in the Philstar newspaper. He has strong anti-Chinoy views that some have labelled racist, so there's a trigger warning.
[/QUOTE]I agree with all your recommendations Huts and the debate on both sides about F. J. Jose's views on Chinoys has been quite intelligent (for the most part).

After I got hooked on all of Frankie Jose's novels (including the excellent Rosales saga about Ilokanos that Huts mentioned), I was taken to meet the great man who was sitting outside his bookshop in Padre Faura not far from Robinsons. He was rather intimidating at first with his idiosyncratic French artist's beret), but he was OK after a while (call me Frankie).

The sad thing in all of this is that there are some very deep and intelligent thinkers, writers, dramatists and musicians in the Philippines, but their voices are lost in the noise made by the millions for whom culture is noon-time TV, the singing and dancing shows on weekend TV, telenovelas, pinoy big brother and Manny Pacquiao. I cannot see it changing in my lifetime.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1753023]I have the book in front of me. I read it soon after I first came to the Philippines.

It is called "America's Boy: The Marcoses and the Philippines" by James Hamilton-Paterson. It's a well-researched biography of Marcos and his wife but has lots of stereotypes in it that show the author's bias.

My copy is published by Anvil Publishing; first printed in 1998 and printed onn that horrible cheap newsprint favored by Philippines book publishers; available from National Books. The faded price tag says 210 php so if it is still in print it may cost more now. (PS. I just noticed on Westy's link that Amazon have it available on Kindle for $12.86, so it's still available).

My own preference if you want to understand filipino culture more is to read the books by F. Sionil Jose. He writes like Rizal by putting fiction into exact historical places and context. The best one for understanding the filipino woman is "Ermita", about a filipina of that name (no prizes for guessing where she was born).[/QUOTE]No argument with RK here. Those are excellent sources. However, I was particularly interested in the nuances of the relationship, its etiology and continuation, between this country and the USA For me, the cultural insights were a very worthwhile bonus. It's true there are lots of stereotypes, but it's difficult to see how you can hope to describe a culture accurately without the use of stereotypes.

GE.

WR, You've been a bit cranky lately. Take a deep breath of air (hopefully not jeepney fumes) and relax.

A pm is a pm and I think it should stay that way. Your public message to J wasn't especially kind. He replied by pm. PM should stay pm.

The Internet is a huge source of information, some of which is total crap. Asking senior members for an interesting or favorite or useful or thought-invoking URL isn't so "inane" if you really think about it. And in the end we even get a few book recommendations!

I've seen a few Philippine related blogs. There is one in particular that strikes me as inane. Can anyone guess which one it is? LOL.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1752959] SNIP SNIP SNIP .[/QUOTE]

I was asking the question as I thought it would be a good chance to find out different people's sites and books they find beneficial, I also thought it may help get me get to know some people in this forum which is why I didn't want to use google as I am new here and just signed up.

Wicked Roger. Sorry for calling you a moron mate that was silly although I did feel you where rude in your post to me when all I wanted to do is hopefully build a rapport and get to know people here who have a common interest.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1752011]Guys,

In Manila for 7-8 days and then I would like to take a side trip too one of these 2 places. Cost isn't really a factor but I may want to take 1 or 2 ladies with me. Which is the better place to go or if I go alone which place has the better girl option there. It would be very nice to lay on the beach and get laid all day lone too. LOL.

Any comments and suggestions are appreciated.

PC out.[/QUOTE]Bring TAKE OUT to Borocay!

Rate tonight at NAIA was 45.50 to 1. This is a great deal for anyone coming soon.

PC out.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1753475]Bring TAKE OUT to Borocay![/QUOTE]Might be going to Cebu better. Seems like connections and more peeps there LOL.

Whats the action like in Cebu gents?

PC out.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1753686]Might be going to Cebu better. Seems like connections and more peeps there LOL.

Whats the action like in Cebu gents?

PC out.[/QUOTE]There is a separate thread on Cebu and has lots information plus some (many and me) prefer it to Manila or AC but YMMV. Look on the Cebu thread as there you can find what you need.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1753852]There is a separate thread on Cebu and has lots information plus some (many and me) prefer it to Manila or AC but YMMV. Look on the Cebu thread as there you can find what you need.[/QUOTE]So there is, Jackson musta been hiding it.

Well in Makati and thus far got 2 massagis and 3 HJs. I haven't been Skoggizied yet LOL.

PC out.

On my two last trips I have on impulse went down to Rustans to upgrade my suitcases into the newest Samsonite. Bought one big with four wheels and on the last trip I bought a carry on also with four wheels (see pics below). I paid approx US600 for the big one and US400 for the carry on at Rustans.

Walking downtown Oslo today looking for a gift for my mother I thought what the heck I buy her a Samsonite red like mine. Well inside the Samsonite store I grabbed a red one and when I paid it was only US300 (inkl US30 in discount). I ran over to look at the price for the carry on and it was US150 only.

I new Rustans wasn't cheap but this was a tad to much. After all I am talking Norwegian prices here. I guess I have to stop running around in the hornyfog and buy everything in impulse.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1756705]On my two last trips I have on impulse went down to Rustans to upgrade my suitcases into the newest Samsonite. Bought one biggy with four wheels and on the last trip I bought a carry on also with four wheels (see pics below). I paid approx US600 for the big one and US400 for the carry on at Rustans.

Walking downtown Oslo today looking for a gift for my mother I thought what the heck I buy her a Samsonite red like mine. Well inside the Samsonite store I grabbed a red one and when I paid it was only US300 (inkl US30 in discount). I ran over to look at the price for the carry on and it was US150 only.

I new Rustans wasnt cheap but this was a tad to much. After all I am talking norwegian prices here. I guess I have to stop running around in the hornyfog and buy everything in impulse.[/QUOTE]I paid around $350 for the larger one in Australia. Rustan (well anywhere that ells imported goods) has a huge mark up and unless you are lucky to shop overseas to get price comparisons (and / or are not in a hornyfog) then that is the unfortunate price you pay. Price up MAC make up in Rustans for example and buy in Dubai for instance (can be 50% difference!

BTW, are you telling member here you actually wear light colored moccasins? Or just in the room? LOL.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1753684]Rate tonight at NAIA was 45.50 to 1. This is a great deal for anyone coming soon.

PC out.[/QUOTE]Airport is the must place for money changing for the just arrivals. But if some one in Pasay I found a place higher rate than airport. Just right of the Taft Ave. MRT there is Market building (connected with the station on 2nd floor). Just climb the stairs (beside the Mcdonald, now closed for renovation), end of the first floor (not ground floor) there are couple of money changers ready to provide better rate.

Hello,

When I buy things like a back pack shoes I will try to buy the local brands when I need to buy one when I am in Asia. I did buy Sandugo sandals and they keep serving me very well. If you buy back packs likes Thule (my favorite brand 25 years guarantee in the Netherlands) and you buy them in BKK they will be similar price and most of the times higher than in Europe. Usually if you can to places where the tourist buy you will get garbage if you are not willing to be a good price.

I remember talking to some students in HCMC. They were are using copy Samsonite back packs everyone of them had some some zippers broken but they didn't care. Being locals they pay 5 to 10 $ so just buy a new one. So just buy a new one every year.

BUT you don't want to walk around with broken zippers in district one in HCMC being a tourist. OOH the locals are subject to crime too.

Did buy a Thule back pack for a Vietnamese friend but did buy it in the Netherlands.

She did give me Vietnamese pepper (and some other things as well) so when I was back in BKK I asked a restaurant owner where to buy a pepper mill. She did send me to Emporium where they did sell; the Peugeot (the car company that did start making coffee and pepper mills) brand but at least 50 % more expensive than in my country. So I remember seeing one in food land. I thought they one have one, food land is a good company, so this one would be good. Well it wasn't ended up buying a Peugeot in the Netherlands.

The only thing where you should pay for in Asia is food and pussy.

I have been trying to meet some girls online in the Philippines. Yesterday I did talk to a nice 22 year old. She did ask me about time in my country. Oooh here we are six hours ahead she said. I said not really because here in Europe it is 2016 and guess what she believed it but was not really sure. Later she did check and said I think you are wrong you don't know what year it is.

Things like this worry me should I just go AC just pay and have sex or go to 'remote' cities and spend all day with a beauty with almost no brains and I hope I can fuck here before the end of the day?

So far I did focus on cities like General Santos, Butuan and Davao and Cagayan de oro. Will go early December so have check which will probably have not typhoons.

Greetings,

Frits

[QUOTE=MuaTur;1756879]Airport is the must place for money changing for the just arrivals. But if some one in Pasay I found a place higher rate than airport. Just right of the Taft Ave. MRT there is Market building (connected with the station on 2nd floor). Just climb the stairs (beside the Mcdonald, now closed for renovation), end of the first floor (not ground floor) there are couple of money changers ready to provide better rate.[/QUOTE]Maybe Manila is different but [B]generally[/B] in the world, the airport is one of the worst places to change money. They have a captive audience that needs money right now, and they reflect that in a crappy exchange rate.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;1756879]Airport is the must place for money changing for the just arrivals. But if some one in Pasay I found a place higher rate than airport. Just right of the Taft Ave. MRT there is Market building (connected with the station on 2nd floor). Just climb the stairs (beside the Mcdonald, now closed for renovation), end of the first floor (not ground floor) there are couple of money changers ready to provide better rate.[/QUOTE]Thanks for tip however given the pain in the ass traffic, me not knowing if the money is good, being mugged by the local mafia (jk) seems like the ones right outside the Baggage claim were the winners at the time. I knew the money was real, or at least seemed real. LOL.

PC out.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1757149]Maybe Manila is different but [B]generally[/B] in the world, the airport is one of the worst places to change money. They have a captive audience that needs money right now, and they reflect that in a crappy exchange rate.[/QUOTE]You are correct. Especially in Cebu Mactan Airport is terrible. At least 7-8% lower than bank rates. I usually keep around 2000-3000 p for my next trip and it is in my packing list to bring it with me.

[QUOTE=Fritsvanegter;1757019]Hello,

So far I did focus on cities like General Santos, Butuan and Davao and Cagayan de oro. Will go early December so have check which will probably have not typhoons.

Greetings,

Frits[/QUOTE]Where do you recommend to stay in General Santos City?

[QUOTE=Fritsvanegter.

The only thing where you should pay for in Asia is food and pussy.

I have been trying to meet some girls online in the Philippines. Yesterday I did talk to a nice 22 year old. She did ask me about time in my country. Oooh here we are six hours ahead she said. I said not really because here in Europe it is 2016 and guess what she believed it but was not really sure. Later she did check and said I think you are wrong you don't know what year it is.

Things like this worry me should I just go AC just pay and have sex or go to 'remote' cities and spend all day with a beauty with almost no brains and I hope I can fuck here before the end of the day?

So far I did focus on cities like General Santos, Butuan and Davao and Cagayan de oro. Will go early December so have check which will probably have not typhoons.

Greetings,

The only things you should remember while in Phils is that the food is so so with too much MsG in it, the girls are as smart as a 2 x4, and when you ask something be prepared to asked 3 more times.

If in Manila, add 1 hour to every cab trip unless you go to hotel lobby which should be faster than getting anywhere else you want to go.

Order a girl at 3 pm and your lucky is she arrives at 430 as 4 Jeepneys 2 buses and she might get there unless your staying in Burgos you just go straight to the streets there but lots of LBs so beware.

PC out.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1757212]Thanks for tip however given the pain in the ass traffic, me not knowing if the money is good, being mugged by the local mafia (jk) seems like the ones right outside the Baggage claim were the winners at the time. I knew the money was real, or at least seemed real. LOL.

PC out.[/QUOTE]As some one says every airports take advantage on just arrived passengers to provide far lower rate than the market price. But really Manila airport is different than others. Provided rates are very little difference with the market price. So no need to arrive Taft Ave MRT just for having little advantages. My tips are for those guys already are in Pasay. So you can skip the pain on your ass to be given by the traffic if you intending to arrive pasay only for better price. LOL.

Although outside of arrival lounge, NAIA 3 there are Airport Loop Line white buses departs for Pasay in every 20/30 min interval. Any one can ride the bus just for 20 php and the bus will drop passengers just behind the Hotel Sogo or Just beside the building I mentioned. I. e Tafte Ave. MRT.

Believe me, the service is smooth no traffic hassle.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1757307]You are correct. Especially in Cebu Mactan Airport is terrible. At least 7-8% lower than bank rates. I usually keep around 2000-3000 p for my next trip and it is in my packing list to bring it with me.[/QUOTE]Not only Mactan Airport, all over the Cebu provides crappy exchange rate relatively than Manila. As we expect the bank exchange rate should be same all over the nation. But Philippine or Cebu is different; provides lower rate than Manila.

So on my 2nd visit to Cebu I took enough php from Manila just to skip crappy exchange behavior.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1757307]You are correct. Especially in Cebu Mactan Airport is terrible. At least 7-8% lower than bank rates. I usually keep around 2000-3000 p for my next trip and it is in my packing list to bring it with me.[/QUOTE]MB I took this pic about 4 weeks ago in Cebu. The rate was at that time about as good as one could find anywhere in phils. The only better rate I saw was in Manila for 45.05 p on the USD.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1757368]MB I took this pic about 4 weeks ago in Cebu. The rate was at that time about as good as one could find anywhere in phils. The only better rate I saw was in Manila for 45.05 p on the USD.[/QUOTE]On 10th July I was in Cebu and the rate was $1 usd = 44.50 where as I exchanged from Pasay, Manila $1 usd = 45.05.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;1757340]Not only Mactan Airport, all over the Cebu provides crappy exchange rate relatively than Manila. As we expect the bank exchange rate should be same all over the nation. But Philippine or Cebu is different; provides lower rate than Manila.

So on my 2nd visit to Cebu I took enough php from Manila just to skip crappy exchange behavior.[/QUOTE]Why would you expect the exchange rate to be the same all over the nation? Each private exchange house has its own operating expenses and cost of doing business.

What is crappy rate? 1/4 of peso difference? The exchange kiosk in Ayala Mall / Cebu has always had a good rate.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1757373]Why would you expect the exchange rate to be the same all over the nation? Each private exchange house has its own operating expenses and cost of doing business.

What is crappy rate? 1/4 of peso difference? The exchange kiosk in Ayala Mall / Cebu has always had a good rate.[/QUOTE]Dear fella,

I didn't said private exchange counters. I mentioned Bank Exchange rates. So far I know Bank Exchange rates are set up by the Central bank of the nation and for every enlisted banks all over the country.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1757368]MB I took this pic about 4 weeks ago in Cebu. The rate was at that time about as good as one could find anywhere in phils. The only better rate I saw was in Manila for 45.05 p on the USD.[/QUOTE]Did you take your picture at Mactan Airport? I was talking about the arrivals hall. Now I remember in Departures there is an Exchange place also but I did not pay attention.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1757451]Did you take your picture at Mactan Airport? I was talking about the arrivals hall. Now I remember in Departures there is an Exchange place also but I did not pay attention.[/QUOTE]I am always amused by the guys who will spend anything up to an hour or two looking for a better forex rate, and who believe there is a difference between 45.00 and 45.05.

$1000 usd = 45,000 php or 45,050 php. Is it worth the running around trying to get a better rate?

I travel all around SE Asia for work and I use ATMs in every country to pull cash from my dollar account held with HSBC in the Philippines. With HSBC I don't pay any fees because of the way my account is structured, and the exchange rate is always much better just drawing down cash as I need it through the ATM.

I've walked another block for the extra dollar, but your point is taken. I've also walked an extra block and then had to walk back. And on one occasion the rates had changed in the five minutes of walking back and forth. LOL.

I'm a little confused about the last part of your post. Are you saying that using your HSBC ATM card you end up saving money compared to using cash exchanged at a money changer?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1757515]SNIP
I travel all around SE Asia for work and I use ATMs (SNIP) HSBC (SNIP) and the exchange rate is always much better just drawing down cash as I need it through the ATM.[/QUOTE]My SNIPs are just to show how I read the passage. It sounds like you are comparing ATM to ATM.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1757515]I am always amused by the guys who will spend anything up to an hour or two looking for a better forex rate, and who believe there is a difference between 45.00 and 45.05.

$1000 usd = 45,000 php or 45,050 php. Is it worth the running around trying to get a better rate?

I travel all around SE Asia for work and I use ATMs in every country to pull cash from my dollar account held with HSBC in the Philippines. With HSBC I don't pay any fees because of the way my account is structured, and the exchange rate is always much better just drawing down cash as I need it through the ATM.[/QUOTE]Indeed. I banked with HSBC for years and was amazed by their rates and the smoothness of operation considering that branch was in the (Fort Bonifacio) Philippines.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1757515]I am always amused by the guys who will spend anything up to an hour or two looking for a better forex rate, and who believe there is a difference between 45.00 and 45.05.

$1000 usd = 45,000 php or 45,050 php. Is it worth the running around trying to get a better rate?[/QUOTE]And they probably need an extra drink after running around in the heat for hours, which will cost them more than 50 PhP. LOL!

[QUOTE=XMan;1757538]I<SNIP>

I'm a little confused about the last part of your post. Are you saying that using your HSBC ATM card you end up saving money compared to using cash exchanged at a money changer?
[/QUOTE]Yes. I have just returned from a 62-day trip and I paid no commission and the steady forex rate worked out better for me. And I had no hassles either making sure I wasn't duped by the money changer.

The Motivation:

Finally I found myself be able to post my first FR about Philippine. It was due from long time since the two weeks long trip was been made in mid February of this year. Please be noted that the girls I met in this whole trip none are from P4P scene. All are I met from different dating sites like DIA, Tagged and Phili Cupid. I have to confess that I am not a person who feel comfort with the P4P girls or the P4P girls find themselves non suitable with me (It was been proven again in my last AC tour). Finally I found myself under a guided tour for the places I visited in Philippine. I had visited Manila, AC, Bacolod and Cebu in this time and in every place my girl was waiting for me in my arrival point. So my FR (s) are going to post in their respective pages. In my FR I am going to include the date I started my voyage; even I was in China on that day. Just because of these days were dedicated for Philippine.

The Voyage:

Couple of days before 14 Feb'15, the peoples I work with in China informed me that their office is going to close for New Year Spring Festival until 27 Feb'15. So what I am going to do in these long holidays. The plan was already cemented before, what I will do and I asked them to make my ticket for Manila. I want to stay in Philippine all along the festival time. They gladly obliged. Soon my wide smile vaporized when they told me there are no direct flights on 14 Feb'15 from China (any City) to Manila. But I was determined to fly for Manila, because the plan already made with my tagged girl that she is going to meet me on 15 Feb and just waiting to hear my arrival time. After some extensive analysis and search my itinerary was been made as follows:

14 Feb'15: from Chongqing to Guangzhou: start 6. 45 pm and arrival 8. 20 pm, Sichuan Airlines.

14 Feb'15: from Guangzhou to Hong Kong: start 10.20 pm and arrival 11.30 pm, Cathy Pacific.

15 Feb'15: from Hong Kong to Manila, NAIA 3: start 6. 20 am and arrival 8. 35 am, Cathy Pacific.

The itinerary was a huge Joe Frazier punch. The awaiting in HK airport for 7 hrs just made fudge off all my lights in my face. But reluctantly I accepted. I was so keen to keep my meeting word with my girl and in any case I was intended to arrive on 15 Feb'15 to meet her. It's became my obligation because of from that day she made her work off.

The Miss Haps:

I arrived in Chongqing airport in time. The boarding pass was taken in time. After little late we on board but plane were not moving for fly even the schedule time passing over. That again made my hypertension; do I going to miss the connecting flight? Yes I did. I failed to catch Manila flight on that night. Sichuan Airlines get delay for 2 hrs because of Chinese Army certainly occupied the Chongqing Airport Runway for unknown reason. Stayed in Guangzhou and finally I arrived Manila 2 days later after rescheduling my flight.

When I informed my girl over phone that I had failed to catch the connecting flight for manila, still I feel her sound that she did not believed it. That time she thought I am not coming to see her. I am just a lire.

Lesson learnt:

1. To catch the connecting flight it was been kept 2 hrs gap. It was foolish a plan. We did not consider there may be many IF (s) can herm the schedule. And it does.

2. It was wiser to staying a night in HK and catching the flight for Manila comfortably.

I know that some members have the Senior Discount Card without being a citizen. And I know you are supposed to be a citizen to use the card for a discount and I know what the penalties are if caught. Anyone ever been caught? Seems difficult or impossible to catch someone if you are careful (stay away for Airlines maybe) but maybe impossible to get caught in restaurants? I would really appreciate comments. Better real info and experiences. Thanks.

I love ISG.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1758376]I know that some members have the Senior Discount Card without being a citizen. And I know you are supposed to be a citizen to use the card for a discount and I know what the penalties are if caught. Anyone ever been caught? Seems difficult or impossible to catch someone if you are careful (stay away for Airlines maybe) but maybe impossible to get caught in restaurants? I would really appreciate comments. Better real info and experiences. Thanks.

I love ISG.[/QUOTE]As I understand it, the discount is for senior citizens born in the Philippines. In my opinion if you are in need of the discount then you shouldn't be here. On the other hand if you are just cheap or actually a thief then just reach into the cash register and take the money, it would be easier for everyone involved.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1758293]I know that some members have the Senior I.D. without being a citizen. And I know you are supposed to be a citizen to use the card for a discount and I know what the penalties are if caught. Anyone ever been caught? Seems difficult or impossible to catch someone if you are careful (stay away for Airlines maybe) but maybe impossible to get caught in restaurants? I would really appreciate comments. Better real info and experiences. Thanks.
[/QUOTE]This is what the gov't says:

[QUOTE]A Senior Citizens Identification Card is issued by the Office of Senior Citizens Affairs (OSCA) in the city or municipality where the senior citizen resides. Documentary requirements vary per municipality, but the basic qualifications based on RA 9994 are as follows:

*Must be a Filipino citizen who is a resident of the Philippines
*Must be 60 years old or above
*May apply to senior citizens with dual citizenship provided that they prove their Filipino citizenship and have at least six months residency in the Philippines[/QUOTE]These are the penalties:

[QUOTE]Republic Act No. 9994
(c) Any person who abuses the privileges granted herein shall be punished with imprisonment of not less than six (6) months and a fine of not less than Fifty thousand pesos (Php50,000.00) but not more than One hundred thousand pesos (Php100,000.00).

If the offender is an alien or a foreigner, he/she shall be deported immediately after service of sentence.
[/QUOTE]

Food for thought: some Filipino legislators proposed the benefits be extended to non-Filipino citizens, [url]http://globalnation.inquirer.net/105530/alien-seniors-should-get-discounts-too[/url]. Excerpt: [quote]Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez and Abante Mindanao Rep. Maximo Rodriguez Jr. said the elderly foreigners residing in the Philippines "[have] been overlooked, even if their contributions have been just as relevant and considerable."

They noted that these foreigners come to the Philippines to put up businesses or settle here as retirees or immigrants.

"During their stay, they bring in considerable investments, patronize local businesses, contribute to the local economy, and in some cases take a role in nation-building," they said.

By taking up permanent residence in the Philippines, they become as much a part of the public as Filipino citizens, they added.[/quote]

All of the information members have provided I am aware of. I simply asked if anyone had one and used it or knew of any problems from misuse. Zero on this idea. We can move on now.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1758587]All of the information members have provided I am aware of. I simply asked if anyone had one and used it or knew of any problems from misuse. Zero on this idea. We can move on now.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. The guys who were caught misusing the senior IDs wanted to reply but they're in prison. Oh well.

One thing I keep in mind when answering someone's question is that there are other readers who have varying levels of interest and knowledge of that same topic; I try to write to the forum rather than the one individual question asker.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;1758587]All of the information members have provided I am aware of. I simply asked if anyone had one and used it or knew of any problems from misuse. Zero on this idea. We can move on now.[/QUOTE]Hey, get off my lawn!

(sorry, couldn't resist).

What are your thoughts on Amnesty taking a strong stance in favor of global decriminalization of sex work? The resolution recommends that Amnesty International develop a policy that supports the full decriminalization of all aspects of consensual sex work. The policy will also call on states to ensure that sex workers enjoy full and equal legal protection from exploitation, trafficking and violence. Here's a link to the press release: [URL]https://www.amnesty.org/press-releases/2015/08/global-movement-votes-to-adopt-policy-to-protect-human-rights-of-sex-workers-1/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Satyr23;1759049]What are your thoughts on Amnesty taking a strong stance in favor of global decriminalization of sex work? The resolution recommends that Amnesty International develop a policy that supports the full decriminalization of all aspects of consensual sex work. The policy will also call on states to ensure that sex workers enjoy full and equal legal protection from exploitation, trafficking and violence. Here's a link to the press release: [URL]https://www.amnesty.org/press-releases/2015/08/global-movement-votes-to-adopt-policy-to-protect-human-rights-of-sex-workers-1/[/URL].[/QUOTE]The men in black dresses and gold jewelry, aka the Catholic Church will doubtless come out in full high dudgeon against it, claiming that it will promote promiscuity. Given the absent dividing line between politics and religion here, the church will have its way and it will be largely ignored.

GE.

After searching for the best roaming and 4 G / LTE coverage in the countries I travel, I decided on Asus ZenFone 2 ZE550 ML / ZE551 ML phone. Mine is a ZE551 model but only the differences on them are memory size and small processor speed. So, even the most basic model will work like a champ.

Apparently ASUS did not put any restrictions on the modem and regardless of the GSM based carrier, this phone will do 4 G / LTE /3 G without any problems. In USA, it will work on AT&T and Tmobile also. Which already tested.

You can find this phone around $190-300 based on location and specs. It uses an Intel Atom processor. They do sell it in Manila / Cebu / BKK. I purchased mine in Taipei and it was $217.

I am staying in Quest Hotel in Cebu. I switch hotels due to Asean Trade Ministers conference. However, Quest Hotel is blocking ISG access along with other websites. They are using gateway base SONOS software to blacklist most of the sites. So, I had to setup a VPN account to get around of it. Right now I am accessing form Quest via VPN. So, you may need to setup a VPN account from one of the vendors.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1762673]I am staying in Quest Hotel in Cebu. I switch hotels due to Asean Trade Ministers conference. However, Quest Hotel is blocking ISG access along with other websites. They are using gateway base SONOS software to blacklist most of the sites. So, I had to setup a VPN account to get around of it. Right now I am accessing form Quest via VPN. So, you may need to setup a VPN account from one of the vendors.[/QUOTE]That is the first I have heard of it in the Philippines must because the ASEAN delegates are good Christian people LOL.

I use Witopia at times and a host of other freebies and all work well in places where many sites are blocked (eg Middle East).

NB. You don't have a PM facility? As Am Cebu but not possible to send you some information with a PM.

Finding a house to rent at a monthly rate in the Philippines (online) is proving to be challenging. I'm looking for at least a three bedroom house in Tagaytay, willing to pay up to $1,500/ month if it's nice. But most of the nicer homes are crazy expensive. Saw one going for just under $6,000. Are people actually paying that? I thought this was a 3rd world country. Are the prices online just inflated for rich tourists? Would it be a better idea to just go there first and have a friend help me find a place?

Some travel website claimed nice villas in that city could be rented for around $600/ month.

If anyone has a good website, please PM.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1764905]Finding a house to rent at a monthly rate in the Philippines (online) is proving to be challenging. I'm looking for at least a three bedroom house in Tagaytay, willing to pay up to $1,500/ month if it's nice. But most of the nicer homes are crazy expensive. Saw one going for just under $6,000. Are people actually paying that? I thought this was a 3rd world country. Are the prices online just inflated for rich tourists? Would it be a better idea to just go there first and have a friend help me find a place?

Some travel website claimed nice villas in that city could be rented for around $600/ month.

If anyone has a good website, please PM.[/QUOTE]They are crazy expensive, for you!

Get a Filipino to inquire and I am sure the prices will be half of that.

The highest rental, I know from friends who stayed, was in Makati Shangri La-St Francis, that was going for 3 K, and for Tagaytay, should be lower.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1764905]Finding a house to rent at a monthly rate in the Philippines (online) is proving to be challenging. I'm looking for at least a three bedroom house in Tagaytay, willing to pay up to $1,500/ month if it's nice. But most of the nicer homes are crazy expensive. Saw one going for just under $6,000. Are people actually paying that? I thought this was a 3rd world country. Are the prices online just inflated for rich tourists?[/QUOTE]Unless you know someone, I'm afraid you are not going to find much in that price range with a view of the crater / lake. Many well to do Filipinos from Manila use the area as a weekend getaway. There is a lot of money circulating around so prices are high. Did you try Airbnb? They show 450 properties available!

There is almost no activity in the Cebu forums due to their location. I think it is time to reconnect Cebu and Philippines forums for a better usage. If Admin following this board, I hope he or she may need to reconsider.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1766462]There is almost no activity in the Cebu forums due to their location. I think it is time to reconnect Cebu and Philippines forums for a better usage. If Admin following this board, I hope he or she may need to reconsider.[/QUOTE]I second this suggestion. Presently it is a bit awkward and serves no useful purpose.

[QUOTE=Questor55;1767012]I second this suggestion. Presently it is a bit awkward and serves no useful purpose.[/QUOTE]I would not third this LOL as I like it as it is, and it does take long to find the link either IMHO.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1767371]I would not third this LOL as I like it as it is, and it does take long to find the link either IMHO.[/QUOTE]I don't we would expect you to support it since separating the forums was your idea. I remember few years back so called "board gurus" came with a separation idea and since than Cebu forum are struggling. If you don't believe me look at the stats. Second. Usage of the main forums are diminishing too due to "hostile environment" while it had been much milder recently, damage already been done.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1767824]I don't we would expect you to support it since separating the forums was your idea. I remember few years back so called "board gurus" came with a separation idea and since than Cebu forum are struggling. If you don't believe me look at the stats. Second. Usage of the main forums are diminishing too due to "hostile environment" while it had been much milder recently, damage already been done.[/QUOTE]The question is why is it struggling? Cebu has about same type of mongering action as Manila that is if your seeking so call "good girls. " The bar scene is scattered and expensive in some parts.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1767824]I don't we would expect you to support it since separating the forums was your idea. I remember few years back so called "board gurus" came with a separation idea and since than Cebu forum are struggling. If you don't believe me look at the stats. Second. Usage of the main forums are diminishing too due to "hostile environment" while it had been much milder recently, damage already been done.[/QUOTE]I don't think it was my idea but I did support it as at the time it was messy.

If the usage is down it is a reflection of these not visiting Cebu and / or the country. I play a lot in Cebu but don't post as can be same same but those that know me well also know I share well.

Everyone can see where the thread is (some don't as they can't be bothered to RTFF) and in the past t was too messy. If Cebu was moved back fine but then the mess would again happen.

There is no hostile environment IMHO its an increasing number of manager class posters o the Philippines who ask inane questions that a simple RTFF would solve. No one is very aggressive unless you count those who flame etc (eg Tar Heel aka Cali Pro and what say is also Medellin Kuya, Dashing Don is another). Their FRs can be sharp and can be aggressive when they are called out.

But hostile no IMHO, just pointing out the obvious as Westie and I and others have done recently (me also on other forums I contribute to). Some are way to sensitive ad like to give but don't like to take the flak if and when it comes.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1767824]I don't we would expect you to support it since separating the forums was your idea. I remember few years back so called "board gurus" came with a separation idea and since than Cebu forum are struggling. If you don't believe me look at the stats. Second. Usage of the main forums are diminishing too due to "hostile environment" while it had been much milder recently, damage already been done.[/QUOTE]I've never understood why the forums were separated since there's no apparent logic. Since the separation, I tend to read the Cebu threads less often since it's inconvenient to do so. I'm for reunification.

GE.

Quick question for those in the know. Why do men write "please be disease free" on their personal ads? Or "Please be DDF" ? Or similar.

I have been looking at writing my own personal ad in Craigslist Manila as I will be arriving in a few weeks.

So I was looking at what other men wrote as an example of what I would write or not and what to say. And maybe how to phrase things.

I see those phrases often and think aren't all the women respondents all going to say they are clean and disease free whether they are or not?

It isn't like you are going to swab them and await the lab results back. Nobody is actually going to tell you in advance they have a disease.

[QUOTE=Member#4221;1767867]The question is why is it struggling? Cebu has about same type of mongering action as Manila that is if your seeking so call "good girls. " The bar scene is scattered and expensive in some parts.[/QUOTE]The navigation is not easy like the main board. I tend to skip it too. If they were reintegrated, more people would participate and contribute. IMHO.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1767890]I've never understood why the forums were separated since there's no apparent logic. Since the separation, I tend to read the Cebu threads less often since it's inconvenient to do so. I'm for reunification.

GE.[/QUOTE]I think for a long time "nuts have been trying to run the nuthouse". So, we ended with nutty ideas and results. .

[QUOTE=NWGuy;1768067]Quick question for those in the know. Why do men write "please be disease free" on their personal ads? Or "Please be DDF" ? Or similar.

I have been looking at writing my own personal ad in Craigslist Manila as I will be arriving in a few weeks.

It isn't like you are going to swab them and await the lab results back. Nobody is actually going to tell you in advance they have a disease.[/QUOTE]I think its because we want DDF, and we want to let the ladies know that we are DDF also. It aims for a better quality cookie.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1767890]I've never understood why the forums were separated since there's no apparent logic. Since the separation, I tend to read the Cebu threads less often since it's inconvenient to do so. I'm for reunification.

GE.[/QUOTE]Concur. Its too hard to get at.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1768166]I think its because we want DDF, and we want to let the ladies know that we are DDF also. It aims for a better quality cookie.[/QUOTE]And inserting such words will give confidence to the pinays, as, after all, only "bad" and "dirty" girls such as "hookers" have disease.

And if a guy says he is Disease Free, he is saying he don't fuck around, in Pinay speak.

Admitting the truth doesn't work on that score, and likewise, the girls too will not admit how often they get their cum storage bag replenished, again, don't forget, they are not 'dirty girls'.

My 2 cents? Don't fret over it, unless you really want to see the last medical report, which too can be debatable.

[QUOTE=Member#4221;1767867]The question is why is it struggling? Cebu has about same type of mongering action as Manila that is if your seeking so call "good girls. " The bar scene is scattered and expensive in some parts.[/QUOTE]Cebu is small and have a less number of bars, discos. However, Cebu is much cheaper and more willing girls to meet the foreigners.

ADD ONS.

Seat Reservation.

291.20 ADMIN FEE.

Web Admin Fee.

313.60.

#1 How can you fly without a seat?

#2 If you are making an online reservation, what is the reason for a Web Admin fee?

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1769099]ADD ONS.

Seat Reservation.

291.20 ADMIN FEE.

Web Admin Fee.

313.60.

#1 How can you fly without a seat?

#2 If you are making an online reservation, what is the reason for a Web Admin fee?[/QUOTE]Excellent question. I think it's been designed to offset the commission paid to the credit card companies. So it's nonsense but it's a way of forcing the consumer to pay.

GE.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1769078]Cebu is small and have a less number of bars, discos. However, Cebu is much cheaper and more willing girls to meet the foreigners.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is cheaper in any way, Davao maybe but prices here are comparable to Manila.

And many mongers don't post as we try to keep it fairly secret that Cebu is better LOL but really many post a few FRs as too much same same about many FRs so stick with information not pure titillation at times I suppose.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1769099]ADD ONS.

#1 How can you fly without a seat?

#2 If you are making an online reservation, what is the reason for a Web Admin fee?[/QUOTE]You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.

They automatically add on quite a number of "add-ons" (sic) and you must methodically go through all of the steps in the booking and remove them one by one.

For example, they automatically charge you a fee for travel insurance UNLESS you click on the "no thanks" box which is very small and difficult to spot. Deduct 250 pesos.

Seats are allocated at booking and you do NOT have to pay for a seat UNLESS you have a seating preference. Different preferred seats cost different amounts. Exit rows are the most expensive. If you dont care where you sit and they have added-on a reserved seat fee then you can remove it.

The default setting for baggage is 20 kgs per person at a designated rate. If you have carry-on bags and don't need to pay for 20 kgs then you must change the baggage to zero and the auto baggage fee is deducted.

I use it mostly for domestic travel within the Philippines and so I have only a small carry-on bag. I have had the initial quote for a budget flight price decrease from 2300 php to 1200 php after I removed all the "add-ons". The fee I paid was comprised almost entirely of admin fees, since I availed myself of the cut-price 1 php fares that they push out periodically.

Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1769165]You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.


Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.[/QUOTE]Good observation RK, I use Cebu Pac a lot but I know the way the site works and pf course buyer beware. Check the booking before you pay is my advice. But Cebu Pac is generally cheaper for me compared with others and is as late / early as most budget carries. It suffers like all carries do with the awful mess that is NAIA which calls itself an airport but really is a third world ne. I have spent an hour on the tarmac in Cebu waiting to depart due to congestion at the airport in Manila, this was late morning!

And a close friend was 4 hours delayed in Manila due to some odd reasons but basically there were limited buses, the take slot was moved all the time and she said even the captain got pissed off at one stage.

But like any budget there is good and bad and for me Cebu Pac has more of the former at the moment than the latter.

Nice chit chat from a CP attendant at Robinsons in Cebu. Weird gal, she wanted to meet my son since her chit chat identified his age. (my son doesn't do fat chicks, BTW).

"Do you have a seat request? ".

X nope, I don't care.

"it's an early morning flight, would't it be nice to have a window seat?

X That sounds nice.

PHP 160 added for seat selection.

Is that dishonest, or is that dishonest?

Hope CBP is happy with their 160 pisos, I'll be checking PA more often. X.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1769165]You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.

They automatically add on quite a number of "add-ons" (sic) and you must methodically go through all of the steps in the booking and remove them one by one.

For example, they automatically charge you a fee for travel insurance UNLESS you click on the "no thanks" box which is very small and difficult to spot. Deduct 250 pesos.

Seats are allocated at booking and you do NOT have to pay for a seat UNLESS you have a seating preference. Different preferred seats cost different amounts. Exit rows are the most expensive. If you dont care where you sit and they have added-on a reserved seat fee then you can remove it.

The default setting for baggage is 20 kgs per person at a designated rate. If you have carry-on bags and don't need to pay for 20 kgs then you must change the baggage to zero and the auto baggage fee is deducted.

I use it mostly for domestic travel within the Philippines and so I have only a small carry-on bag. I have had the initial quote for a budget flight price decrease from 2300 php to 1200 php after I removed all the "add-ons". The fee I paid was comprised almost entirely of admin fees, since I availed myself of the cut-price 1 php fares that they push out periodically.

Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1769165]You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.

I have had the initial quote for a budget flight price decrease from 2300 php to 1200 php after I removed all the "add-ons". The fee I paid was comprised almost entirely of admin fees, since I availed myself of the cut-price 1 php fares that they push out periodically.

Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.[/QUOTE]Excellent explanations. I consider myself a geek and I still did not find a way to bypass it without as seating fee. They must be getting a crash course from Ryan Air.

I have been coming to the Phils for work over the last five years (mostly Manila and recently Cebu City) and Cebu is definitely not cheaper than Manila. It seems to get more expensive every time I come. However it's much less chaotic and congested and I really like how I can escape to a beautiful clean beach or in the mountains in a relatively shorter period of time than leaving Manila. As for mongering there are fewer bars and clubs and more freelance action so you have to work a little bit more. And of course if you are relatively good looking, kind, got game, and of course have lots of funds you can do really no matter where you are in the Phils. I do notice more Chinese and Koreans in Cebu than Manila. As for cheaper destinations for those more adventurous I'd agree Davao, and likely Bacolod and other places in The Visayas and Mindanao likely will be much cheaper. Personally I haven't had the opportunity to venture to this places yet.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1769126]I don't think it is cheaper in any way, Davao maybe but prices here are comparable to Manila.

And many mongers don't post as we try to keep it fairly secret that Cebu is better LOL but really many post a few FRs as too much same same about many FRs so stick with information not pure titillation at times I suppose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1769215]Excellent explanations. I consider myself a geek and I still did not find a way to bypass it without as seating fee. They must be getting a crash course from Ryan Air.[/QUOTE]That was exactly my thinking as I read your earlier post. Ryanair used to charge you for printing your own boarding pass on your own printer with your own paper and ink, FFS! And if you didn't pay to print your own boarding pass, then you paid a much higher cost at the airport for them to print it instead. So basically there was no way of avoiding A cost with the boarding pass, just how much you ended up paying. They know that people just see the headline 1 p /1 c fares and are too committed to the process by the time the drip pricing really kicks in (a fee for using a credit card? Per person? Why not? And O'Leary really wasn't joking when he suggested a 1 Euro fee for using the bathrooms. Yet bizarrely this model works as more and more people fly with them. It really does pay to shop around with the FINAL price rather than the headline "ticket" price, including any mandatory fees, baggage charges, "fuel tax" (Hello, BA), oxygen fees etc.

Given the maximum length of domestic flights with Cebu Pacific, and the nature of this forum meaning you're probably flying alone, personally I'd just take one of the unreserved seats and put up with even a middle seat for an hour, two hours at most.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1769301]Given the maximum length of domestic flights with Cebu Pacific, and the nature of this forum meaning you're probably flying alone, personally I'd just take one of the unreserved seats and put up with even a middle seat for an hour, two hours at most.[/QUOTE]The seats costs between 160-230 pesos. As many have said countless times, many of us spend a lot more getting there so why are we bothered by a $4-5 charge? I am not and prefer a seat that gives me some 'comfort' - the seat in the Cebu Pac A319/320 are not meant for long haul for large guys like me and many of those I see on the plane.

Pot luck is OK as you be sat next to a nun (as I have been) or a cuties (also happened) but also a fat bugger who takes more then his / her share of the seating. Is only an hour or two so I would not fuss but I do like to chose my seat so I will pay.

As for Ryanair Simmer. Am sure if he could charge for how much you dump in the toilet and the paper use while and the toilet, he would LOL.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1769395]The seats costs between 160-230 pesos. As many have said countless times, many of us spend a lot more getting there so why are we bothered by a $4-5 charge? I am not and prefer a seat that gives me some 'comfort' - the seat in the Cebu Pac A319/320 are not meant for long haul for large guys like me and many of those I see on the plane.[/QUOTE]True, at that cost. Sorry, I was wrongly thinking what other airlines charge for seats.

As an aside, twice now on Philippine Airlines long haul we've had the seat reservations (which are free) just cancelled for no apparent reason. You think you reserved good seats together months ago, get to check-in, and find that your seats have been given to somebody else. WTF?! Even the check-in ladies try to insist that all the seats have reservations so they cannot change mine, I turn around and look at the 200 people in the line waiting to check-in and ask again, but get the typical smile and "sorry". This happened for a flight TO the Philippines, and a flight FROM the Philippines, and with the latter I got so pissed off that after 10 minutes of arguing with the duty supervisor they relented and gave me the seats I booked. Yet PR are horrendously expensive but give a shit product and are always full. But they are the only direct, non-stop flight from where I am. Sorry, whinge over.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1769395]As for Ryanair Simmer. Am sure if he could charge for how much you dump in the toilet and the paper use while and the toilet, he would LOL.[/QUOTE]Chuckle!

[QUOTE=Simmer;1769679]. Yet PR are horrendously expensive but give a shit product and are always full. But they are the only direct, non-stop flight from where I am. Sorry, whinge over.

Chuckle![/QUOTE]Whenever I have flown PAL it as never been a good experience hence I won't fly with them unless forced to (that happened once from another Asian country and the experience lived up to my expectations. Rubbish!

[QUOTE=Cjetset;1769289]Personally I haven't had the opportunity to venture to this places yet.[/QUOTE]Cebu is maybe the most popular destination among Koreans. Especially Mactan Island. They have their own racket going on. Every midnight there are 5 different flights within 30 minutes to Incheon. Hotel prices have been creeping up and even in the popular places Koreans are in the majority. I call it very much of a Korean infestation. Chinese are not too many but they are in mostly Bohol. Especially with the opening of Henann Resort.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1769794]Whenever I have flown PAL it as never been a good experience hence I won't fly with them unless forced to (that happened once from another Asian country and the experience lived up to my expectations. Rubbish![/QUOTE]Especially if you buy your ticket thru Expedia or Orbitz, PAL will not give you an opportunity to purchase extra baggage and tag you 1600 p at the airport. It is unfortunate that Chinese Filipino cartel is killing Philippines with lack of competition. Recently they did everything to prevent increased number of flights from UAE with no success. It is my first time seeing a defeat.

I like to thank GE for recommending usage of Uber instead of taxis. I have been using it since I came to Manila and works perfect. I recommend others to do the same. Very good service.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1769854]It is unfortunate that Chinese Filipino cartel is killing Philippines with lack of competition. Recently they did everything to prevent increased number of flights from UAE with no success. It is my first time seeing a defeat.[/QUOTE]Well the press here claim a success. Only in that it has opened up more flights for Philippine carries to the UAE and in return the UAE carriers 'promised' to expand services outside Manila, namely Clark (yet again but was an economic disaster for EK) and / or Cebu (within 12 months) - but expansion is likely premised with a view and margins and Clark was not a good earner and cannibalized seats on the Manila flights.

But the local boys don't realise that apart from price there is no comparison. Many Filipinos chose EK / EY as the service is better, a quality product for long haul.

While I fly Cebu Pacific to Asian countries is s for no more than 3 hours and that is plenty.

So the passenger numbers will be the defining comparative and I expect the UAE carriers to win that every year.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1769794]Whenever I have flown PAL it as never been a good experience hence I won't fly with them unless forced to (that happened once from another Asian country and the experience lived up to my expectations. Rubbish![/QUOTE]I didn't even mention the IFE, or lack thereof. Of the screens that did actually work, a lot of content didn't work, and the map was disabled "for security reasons" (Both ways.

I suppose I ought to mention their food was actually quite reasonable.

This subject has been the subject of discussion before. Ie low speed and high cost etc.

The links below are very recently and one quotes the APEC meeting in Cebu this month. All complain about how bad it is here. Nothing new but the lack of infrastructure investment and will of the providers to do anything for the user / consumer (unless means super profits for themselves etc am sure) is clearly evident IMHO in the links.

[URL]http://www.manilatimes.net/were-the-only-asian-country-where-foreigners-control-the-telecom-industry/216706/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/cebu-news/2015/09/05/1496186/apec-exec-phl-should-improve-internet-service[/URL]

I always fly Cathay Pacific to Cebu. Always solid whether I'm in a Coach, premium, or Biz and they seem to upgrade often if you fly them a lot. PAL is just dreadful. That said for a discount carrier Cebu Pacific is solid. Always have been prompt, the staff nice, and the planes clean. Seats are a bit tight but that's the case with all discount carriers. Just pay a few extra pesos for exit row or more space row.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1770076]I didn't even mention the IFE, or lack thereof. Of the screens that did actually work, a lot of content didn't work, and the map was disabled "for security reasons" (Both ways.

I suppose I ought to mention their food was actually quite reasonable.[/QUOTE]

IMHO, you will never see an infrastructure investment unless Filipino-Chinese cartel can make money from it. Internet speeds, freeways, airports are all clogged due to protect interests of the cartel. Very sad.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1770951]This subject has been the subject of discussion before. Ie low speed and high cost etc.

The links below are very recently and one quotes the APEC meeting in Cebu this month. All complain about how bad it is here. Nothing new but the lack of infrastructure investment and will of the providers to do anything for the user / consumer (unless means super profits for themselves etc am sure) is clearly evident IMHO in the links.

[URL]http://www.manilatimes.net/were-the-only-asian-country-where-foreigners-control-the-telecom-industry/216706/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/cebu-news/2015/09/05/1496186/apec-exec-phl-should-improve-internet-service[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1771347]I was shocked to compare the cost I paid (at the relevant forex rate as shown on my CC account) with the existing cost in Manila (and this latter Manila store was also offering a promo.

55 cm: Aust cost 6,825 php; Phils cost 11,750 php.

75 cm: Aust cost 17,815 php; Phils cost 35,630 php.

Don't bring an old bag to the Philippines thinking you might exchange it for a new cheaper one. These differences are quite dramatic.[/QUOTE]Good comment RK, I bought my Samsonite in Aussie also and in Cebu the prices are similar. I asked why such a price difference and showed them my receipt. They said is import duty LOL. Then I inquired how many they sold. None was the answer.

Cheap is possible but not the quality I need as I want hard wearing long lasting bags as I fly a lot, the stuff you can buy Metro / SM is horrible quality, OK if you travel once a year.

This might be a weird post on ISG but there was some discussion recently (somewhere here and linked to Skogis) about the cost of new baggage (specifically Samsonite) in Manila compared to elsewhere.

It might help those who figure you will get cheaper stuff in the Philippines instead of at home.

I have recently returned from Australia. I purchased 2 new Samsonite hard-cased bags in Sydney (a 55 cm and a 75 cm) in a shop in Pitt Street.

I was shocked to compare the cost I paid (at the relevant forex rate as shown on my CC account) with the existing cost in Manila (and this latter Manila store was also offering a promo.

55 cm: Aust cost 6,825 php; Phils cost 11,750 php.

75 cm: Aust cost 17,815 php; Phils cost 35,630 php.

Don't bring an old bag to the Philippines thinking you might exchange it for a new cheaper one. These differences are quite dramatic.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1771351]This might be a weird post on ISG but there was some discussion recently (somewhere here and linked to Skogis) about the cost of new baggage (specifically Samsonite) in Manila compared to elsewhere.

55 cm: Aust cost 6,825 php; Phils cost 11,750 php.

75 cm: Aust cost 17,815 php; Phils cost 35,630 php.

Don't bring an old bag to the Philippines thinking you might exchange it for a new cheaper one. These differences are quite dramatic.[/QUOTE]I destroyed my backpack with an accident in Cebu Radisson and bought a new Tumi Backpack from Seattle Outlet for $165. Same backpack is on sale Cebu Ayala Mall Tumi store for 31000 p.

Wow. What a difference!.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1771362]I destroyed my backpack with an accident in Cebu Radisson and bought a new Tumi Backpack from Seattle Outlet for $165. Same backpack is on sale Cebu Ayala Mall Tumi store for 31000 p.

Wow. What a difference!.[/QUOTE]Imported designer stuff in Philippines are very expensive.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1771351]This might be a weird post on ISG but there was some discussion recently (somewhere here and linked to Skogis) about the cost of new baggage (specifically Samsonite) in Manila compared to elsewhere.

It might help those who figure you will get cheaper stuff in the Philippines instead of at home.

I have recently returned from Australia. I purchased 2 new Samsonite hard-cased bags in Sydney (a 55 cm and a 75 cm) in a shop in Pitt Street.

I was shocked to compare the cost I paid (at the relevant forex rate as shown on my CC account) with the existing cost in Manila (and this latter Manila store was also offering a promo.

55 cm: Aust cost 6,825 php; Phils cost 11,750 php.

75 cm: Aust cost 17,815 php; Phils cost 35,630 php.

Don't bring an old bag to the Philippines thinking you might exchange it for a new cheaper one. These differences are quite dramatic.[/QUOTE]I've bought several items at the Tumi store in Greenbelt, three shoulder bags, a couple of wallets and one or two other items. I found the retail prices the same or quite similar to what I'd pay in he States or Europe. The difference I think is hat it's easy to find designer brands discounted in other countries, but almost never here. The single exception that I've found is the Tommy Hilfiger store in Abreeza, Davao which routinely offers goods at a 45% reduction, thus making the prices pretty reasonable.

GE.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;1771377]Imported designer stuff in Philippines are very expensive.[/QUOTE]Generally true. The import tariff levied on luxury goods is high. Moreover, lux retailers here have to contend with high rents and a rather small customer base, most of whom are well-traveled savvy shoppers who know the best and cheapest shopping is overseas.

(The rest of this comment is more relevant to residents and long-stay visitors.)

My three imports are clothing & footwear, food & alcohol, and cookware. Spirits are a bargain and wine is priced OK. Manila is excellent for kitchenware, though German and Swiss-made items are a bit high. Mall of Kitchens in Makati is awesome. Great deals at New Sin Kian Heng in Quiapo. In the malls look for Gourdos, though kind of expensive. The variety and selection for menswear is often lacking, which is why I do a HK trip once in a while. Locally, at GB Mall men's shirts and trousers run between p4000-p6000 at Massimo Dutti and a bit less at less at he Mango at Glorietta and MOA. I've picked up Unbranded brand raw denim in the Glorietta for about p3000 discounted, but Japanese stuff is in town now though pricey at p12,000+; of course it's expensive in Japan, too. Good footwear has been a pain to find and it was limited to Rustan's. Since the guys at Signet set up shop Carmina shoes, which run about $550+ in HK, are here for about $500+. It's approx. $150 more than ordering from Spain, but add the shipping and customs and it's about the same.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1771828]Generally true. The import tariff levied on luxury goods is high. Moreover, lux retailers here have to contend with high rents and a rather small customer base, most of whom are well-traveled savvy shoppers who know the best and cheapest shopping is overseas.

(The rest of this comment is more relevant to residents and long-stay visitors.)

My three imports are clothing & footwear, food & alcohol, and cookware. Spirits are a bargain and wine is priced OK. Manila is excellent for kitchenware, though German and Swiss-made items are a bit high. Mall of Kitchens in Makati is awesome. Great deals at New Sin Kian Heng in Quiapo. In the malls look for Gourdos, though kind of expensive. The variety and selection for menswear is often lacking, which is why I do a HK trip once in a while. Locally, at GB Mall men's shirts and trousers run between p4000-p6000 at Massimo Dutti and a bit less at less at he Mango at Glorietta and MOA. I've picked up Unbranded brand raw denim in the Glorietta for about p3000 discounted, but Japanese stuff is in town now though pricey at p12,000+; of course it's expensive in Japan, too. Good footwear has been a pain to find and it was limited to Rustan's. Since the guys at Signet set up shop Carmina shoes, which run about $550+ in HK, are here for about $500+. It's approx. $150 more than ordering from Spain, but add the shipping and customs and it's about the same.[/QUOTE]I do a fair amount of shopping at Massimo Dutti and find the prices almost the same as Europe. The prices at the Polo store in Greenbelt are outrageous on the other hand. Huts, if you get a chance I'd appreciate a PM on the location of the Carmina shoe store. I've not seen it.

GE.

Two years ago was in HK and met a Phil gal at Sticky Fingers in Kowloon. A night of fun (for a price) ensued. After a bit of warm-up she says "do what you want to me", music to my ears but I digress. Told me she was in HK for two weeks to buy designer clothes, designer small luggage items, and so on, to take back to the Phils for resale. She would wait in long lines at the stores for advertised sales, buying at most a few items each day. Had a chart on her phone with a detailed, daily plan of attack (stores and items). Not sure how she transported items back home, maybe used other transiting girls as runners, a few items each girl? After following this thread it now makes sense. Good intel from the forum members on future gift giving ideas for that *special* girl.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;1771377]Imported designer stuff in Philippines are very expensive.[/QUOTE]When US retailers enter into a market, they have 2 and sometimes only 1 choice: (1) find a partner in that local country and setup an exclusive master franchisee agreement and wholesale your goods to them or (2) make a run at it solo -- in many countries, this is not an option due to protectionist laws that require a local partner.

Many of the companies are working off a marked up wholesale price and then marking up it again to cover their costs / profits. Ie Nordstroms, Saks, etc.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1771828]Manila is excellent for kitchenware, though German and Swiss-made items are a bit high. Mall of Kitchens in Makati is awesome. Great deals at New Sin Kian Heng in Quiapo. In the malls look for Gourdos, though kind of expensive.[/QUOTE]Ugh, I have being buying my kitchen stuff piecemeal. While I am ok spending a little more than average, I am not trying to get ripped off. I am heading over to MoK next week as I still don't have enough pots yet. Weird, I did a google search on kitchen stuff a few months ago and I must of missed MoK.

Dishes: Muji; Glasses / Silverware: Rustan's; Tefal saute pans: SM.

(I miss internet shopping / comparison shopping.).

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1771877]Huts, if you get a chance I'd appreciate a PM on the location of the Carmina shoe store. I've not seen it.

GE.[/QUOTE]I'll post it here in case someone else wants to visit, too. When it was in QC the shop's name was Lost+Found, but when moved to Makati was was renamed. Signet, Unit 102 C Windsor Tower, 163 Legazpi St., Legazpi Village, Makati.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/thesignetstore[/URL] - has a map.

[URL]https://instagram.com/thesignetstore/?hl=en[/URL]

[QUOTE=Random99;1771959]When US retailers enter into a market, they have 2 and sometimes only 1 choice: (1) find a partner in that local country and setup an exclusive master franchisee agreement and wholesale your goods to them or (2) make a run at it solo -- in many countries, this is not an option due to protectionist laws that require a local partner.

Many of the companies are working off a marked up wholesale price and then marking up it again to cover their costs / profits. Ie Nordstroms, Saks, etc.[/QUOTE]I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1772195]I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.[/QUOTE]To Mbsl65.

I saw Kirkland 2 lb chocolate almond tub at Johnny market in AC last month I was very surprise by that too.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1772195]I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.[/QUOTE]The family that own Rustan's have strong ties to the USA and relationships there. Large upper class family with stunningly attractive women. The men tend to go to elite universities in the USA. If I so chose, and were I to forego mongering, I could stay with them whenever I visit the PI. Elegant, upper class time, but no fun.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;1772921]The family that own Rustan's have strong ties to the USA and relationships there. Large upper class family with stunningly attractive women. The men tend to go to elite universities in the USA. If I so chose, and were I to forego mongering, I could stay with them whenever I visit the PI. Elegant, upper class time, but no fun.[/QUOTE]Many if not most of the elite families here have strong ties in and to the US dating back to when the country was a US territory. It can be enlightening and extremely entertaining to hang out with members of these families, who are, by and large, very well educated, speak perfect English and are well traveled. I don't agree with Ebauche that they are "no fun," except from a sexual standpoint. They're lots of fun as platonic company.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1772929]Many if not most of the elite families here have strong ties in and to the US dating back to when the country was a US territory. It can be enlightening and extremely entertaining to hang out with members of these families, who are, by and large, very well educated, speak perfect English and are well traveled. I don't agree with Ebauche that they are "no fun," except from a sexual standpoint. They're lots of fun as platonic company.

GE.[/QUOTE]I noticed lots of celebrations. They kind of bore me. Lots of shallow talk and always talk about brands. I not interested. I prefer educated middle class ladies.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1773044]I noticed lots of celebrations. They kind of bore me. Lots of shallow talk and always talk about brands. I not interested. I prefer educated middle class ladies.[/QUOTE]Many Filipinos (mainly pinays IMHO) all brands regardless of status / income / family etc. Many will swap mobiles after 6-12 months when the latest brand is available, they can talk in brands and even model numbers.

One once said "I need branded sunglasses" - when I told her she had 10 already (cheaper but all functional) she said "is important as my Facebook friends will see".

Life for many pinays is dictated by Facebook not reality unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1772195]I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.[/QUOTE]Same way Costco gets them, via truck. LOL.

Seriously, although Costco has it's own purchasing dept they outsource much of their buying, same as Rustans. The lines overlap on the manufacturing end too. Costco (like Walmart / Sam's Club) is famous for ordering large quantities to get the price they demand, but cutting back once their order is ready for shipment (and of course demanding the same initial price; which they get). Hence you now have overproduction and Rustans (like other retailers) benefit by scoffing up the overages. Plus they also can simply have a manufacturer produce more of the same order. Called tail ending the original order, which both helps the manufacturer as well as the other retailers. I'm sure Rustans has some type of agreement with Costco that allows them to legally sell Costco's signature Kirkland brand in the Phils, but you never know.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1773162]Same way Costco gets them, via truck. LOL.

Seriously, although Costco has it's own purchasing dept they outsource much of their buying, same as Rustans. The lines overlap on the manufacturing end too. Costco (like Walmart / Sam's Club) is famous for ordering large quantities to get the price they demand, but cutting back once their order is ready for shipment (and of course demanding the same initial price; which they get). Hence you now have overproduction and Rustan's (like other retailers) benefit by scoffing up the overages. Plus they also can simply have a manufacturer produce more of the same order. Called tail ending the original order, which both helps the manufacturer as well as the other retailers. I'm sure Rustans has some type of agreement with Costco that allows them to legally sell Costco's signature Kirkland brand in the Phils, but you never know.[/QUOTE]What you said is partially right. Since I live in Seattle and some of my friends do work for Costco, what you said about Costco merchandising is not correct. They don't sell overstock items to thirds parties to keep the brand integrity. Also they had a case against to some international guys reselling their goods. That is why I was shocked to see their goods in Rustan's. About Walmart and other retailers what you said most likely is correct.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1773197]What you said is partially right. Since I live in Seattle and some of my friends do work for Costco, what you said about Costco merchandising is not correct. They don't sell overstock items to thirds parties to keep the brand integrity. Also they had a case against to some international guys reselling their goods. That is why I was shocked to see their goods in Rustan's. About Walmart and other retailers what you said most likely is correct.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I should have been clearer. I didn't mean to infer that Costco is selling off excess inventory. It's happening on the manufacturing end; mostly by those in third world countries like China (mostly via Taiwanese and Hong Kong exporters), but it does happen in the USA too. Though more often then not, the products are relabeled with some off brand or generic brand name (Dollar Tree, Dollar Genral and the 99 cent type stores). However, many unscrupulous exporters will just sell off excess branded items (like Kirkland) to anyone.

Maybe you should ask one of your Costco friends to inquire with their corporate HQ about it. If Rustans is selling Costco / Kirkland branded items illegally then maybe you'll get a free pizza from them (which, I've been told, are not bad).

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1772929]Many if not most of the elite families here have strong ties in and to the US dating back to when the country was a US territory. It can be enlightening and extremely entertaining to hang out with members of these families, who are, by and large, very well educated, speak perfect English and are well traveled. I don't agree with Ebauche that they are "no fun," except from a sexual standpoint. They're lots of fun as platonic company.

GE.[/QUOTE]Well, what other kind of fun is there, really? I enjoy my friends, and they are friends, and a absolutely DROOL over their daughters, and quite a few of their wives. But, for many reasons, no bumping of uglies will be going on there. I'll stick to more accessible pinay poon.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1773221]Maybe you should ask one of your Costco friends to inquire with their corporate HQ about it. If Rustans is selling Costco / Kirkland branded items illegally then maybe you'll get a free pizza from them (which, I've been told, are not bad).[/QUOTE]S&R warehouse stores were a JV (I believe) between Costco and Kareila Management Corporation. KMC was bought out by Lucio Co, who owns Puregold. Puregold is a competitor with the Tantoco-owned Rustan's, Rustan Supercenters, Shopwise hypermarkets and Wellcome supermarkets.

Anyway, Costco also exports, http://www.costco.com/export-sales.html. This may be the reason for Kirkland-branded items at Rustan's.

Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1773428]S&R warehouse stores were a JV between Costco and Kareila Management Corporation. KMC was bought out by Lucio Co, who owns Puregold. Puregold is a competitor with the Tantoco-owned Rustan's, Rustan Supercenters, Shopwise hypermarkets and Wellcome supermarkets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1773428]S&R warehouse stores were a JV (I believe) between Costco and Kareila Management Corporation. KMC was bought out by Lucio Co, who owns Puregold. Puregold is a competitor with the Tantoco-owned Rustan's, Rustan Supercenters, Shopwise hypermarkets and Wellcome supermarkets.

Anyway, Costco also exports, http://www.costco.com/export-sales.html. This may be the reason for Kirkland-branded items at Rustan's.[/QUOTE]It was kind of messy to sort out S&R. Sol and Robert Price, whose company merged with Costco, opened a new warehouse operation named PriceSmart (PS). PS entered the Philippines, partnered with a local company named E Class, and established S&R. A few years later each company filed lawsuits against the other in the US and the Philippines. These were eventually settled and PS sold its Philippines stake (52%) to E-Class (38%). Eventually KMC acquired it and then KMC itself was purchased by Lucio Co / Puregold. Clear as mud? Good.

Anyway, neither Costco nor its spin offs have operations in the Philippines. Kirkland goods are being imported by wholesalers and/or retailers w/o a business partnership with Costco.

[QUOTE=XMan;1773442]Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.[/QUOTE]Sorry, m8. It is in General Info, the thread for [I]anything[/I]. But it would be better in Politics and Economy. The conversation kind of evolved.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1773462]Sorry, m8. It is in General Info, the thread for [I]anything[/I]. But it would be better in Politics and Economy. The conversation kind of evolved.[/QUOTE]Are you the admin / moderator of this forum?

[QUOTE=XMan;1773442]Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.[/QUOTE]Not boring at all. As a frequent S&are customer here, I find the history and ownership issues interesting.

GE.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1773491]Are you the admin / moderator of this forum?[/QUOTE]No. Jackson is. If you require admin or moderator support you may contact him.

[QUOTE=XMan;1773442]Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.[/QUOTE]Me too and I just do not even read the posts.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1773807]No. Jackson is. If you require admin or moderator support you may contact him.[/QUOTE]Since you made it clear that you are not a moderator, you can tone down your comments too. Just act like a user like we all do.

Has anyone had a dental implant done in the Philipines? Recommendations, time constraints and cost would be appreciated. I've never had the procedure before.

Years ago I had a tooth capped at Smile Makeover in AC. I was happy with their work and they are now located just off the strip. Much like lady drinks and EWRs, their prices have increased.

[URL]http://www.smilemakeoverdentalclinic.com[/URL]

I think someone mentioned Green Apple at Ayala Mall, Cebu. Was that a positive review?

Searching the Internet brings up several places around MM with glowing reviews. I'm just not sure if the reviews are legitimate.

[URL]http://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/philippines/manila/implants[/URL]

[QUOTE=XMan;1773977]I think someone mentioned Green Apple at Ayala Mall, Cebu. Was that a positive review?

Searching the Internet brings up several places around MM with glowing reviews. I'm just not sure if the reviews are legitimate.

[URL]http://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/philippines/manila/implants[/URL][/QUOTE]Green Apple is OK XMan, I have used it as have a few friends of mine in Cebu. Professional, clean and not as pricey as I thought given its location. See the Cebu thread for more information.

Also, some of dental nurses are cute (if that is a factor in your decision making LOL).

[QUOTE=XMan;1773977]Has anyone had a dental implant done in the Philipines? Recommendations, time constraints and cost would be appreciated. I've never had the procedure before.

Years ago I had a tooth capped at Smile Makeover in AC. I was happy with their work and they are now located just off the strip. Much like lady drinks and EWRs, their prices have increased.

[URL]http://www.smilemakeoverdentalclinic.com[/URL]

I think someone mentioned Green Apple at Ayala Mall, Cebu. Was that a positive review?

Searching the Internet brings up several places around MM with glowing reviews. I'm just not sure if the reviews are legitimate.

[URL]http://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/philippines/manila/implants[/URL][/QUOTE]I got some done in Cebu by a dentist. They are mini implants. They do work very good as long as you take care of them. I dealt with Apple and their prices same as USA and I suggest you to get in done in USA instead paying the same prices in Philippines. Also Pattaya has very good services. Thailand has very good dentists too. 4 weeks ago I was in Chiang Mai and I broke a cap and the lady dentist fixed on the fly.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1773503]Not boring at all. As a frequent S&are customer here, I find the history and ownership issues interesting.

GE.[/QUOTE]I want to praise your knowledge on Philippines without a bias. I always read and remembered your advises especially on Davao city / Mindanao. They you very much for your positive contributions.

This will give some of you a chuckle.

A lesbian pretending to be a man so she can have sex with a woman.

[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/15/woman-convicted-of-impersonating-man-to-dupe-friend-into-having-sex?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other[/URL]

Hello people,

I am planning on visiting Angeles city. Question do Filipinas in general have tight pussies. As do Chinese and Japanese women?

This subject was recently discussed and then went off on a tangent onto A380's etc.

The issue of poor standard local carriers has been mentioned a lot and the fact they want to compete with the big boys is always a source of amusement and wonder to some (me included) as their service standards are poor in comparison (as some have noted).

These articles in the Business Monitor put things into perspective and is a good read for those who want to read it. Flying a lot from the Middle East it says a lot as the UAE carriers clearly outshine the local boys and despite having a flight per day cut, they still are full every day and overbooked at times.

PAL and CP offer better pricing but that is about it IMHO.

[URL]http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/phl-uae-air-agreement-to-benefit-filipino-consumers-but-poses-threat-to-local-airlines/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/phl-uae-air-agreement-to-benefit-filipino-consumers-but-poses-threat-to-local-airlines-2/[/URL]

And if the government bothered to invest and improve the airport infrastructure it would also help perception but pigs will fly first. A new airport as GE and other noted would be a good idea with up to date (not antiquated) equipment would help but again pigs will fly first IMHO.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1774641]These articles in the Business Monitor put things into perspective and is a good read for those who want to read it. Flying a lot from the Middle East it says a lot as the UAE carriers clearly outshine the local boys and despite having a flight per day cut, they still are full every day and overbooked at times.[/QUOTE]PR and 5 J are politically influence enough to trim the tails of the Mid East Carriers.

And the two families are the biggest political benefactors!

As for the plan for an airport, while a lot of educated fellows recommend to develop Clark, and it's abundant space, the power house business families want to keep everything in Manila.

Nothing will change, not now, not in 10 years time, or 20 years time.

I had several days in Makati with playing 9-10 grade ladies. But it got too much and I had to take a little break. Since Palawan is a close place to Kota Kinabalu, I wanted to do do something different. My Kota Kinabalu trip was awesome with 4-5 star hotels ($100/ daily average). Very rich seafood selection with ultra cheap prices, also great islands to visit. My 4 days trip was so fun, I wish I took a girl with me to. I had some chances there but I did not want to pursue. After all I was there to enjoy rather than chasing a tail. 2 days I spent in Brunei. It is a waste of time but a Filipina restaurant manager (30 yrs old Cavite girl), gave me some fun. I seriously recommend you to consider Kota Kinabalu for an alternative location.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1774641]These articles in the Business Monitor put things into perspective and is a good read for those who want to read it. Flying a lot from the Middle East it says a lot as the UAE carriers clearly outshine the local boys and despite having a flight per day cut, they still are full every day and overbooked at times.[/QUOTE]Gulf Air was shit back in 2007 though (ok, quite a while ago now! Of four flights, one was cancelled, two were delayed by several hours, wheelchair assistance failed to turn up at Bahrain, and each aircraft had broken seats and IFE in 1st class.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1774775]PR and 5 J are politically influence enough to trim the tails of the Mid East Carriers.

And the two families are the biggest political benefactors!

As for the plan for an airport, while a lot of educated fellows recommend to develop Clark, and it's abundant space, the power house business families want to keep everything in Manila.

Nothing will change, not now, not in 10 years time, or 20 years time.[/QUOTE]They tried to trim the UAE carriers tails and look where it got them ET. Nowhere. A ear of cancelling the third daily MNL DXB flight (which was a hug inconvenience to people like me) and now this.

The UAE has way to much influence over the local families who went running to PNoy to complain last time. Plus many OFWs in the UAE send back millions / billions of pesos each year so the UAE could stop that by not letting visas be renewed. They view OFWs as necessary evils to do work their people won't do and can simply use other nationalities. Saudi has banned Thais for decades over an incident in BKK so the power is not with the local boys IMHO. They follow, they compete or they slowly die on those routes.

Airport p I and many others would agree. Clark is not ideal until someone builds a high speed rail link to the capital, that will never happen as the politicians will never agree how to grab their pocketful of cash etc (and even if they do it will take years to build).

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1774775]PR and 5 J are politically influence enough to trim the tails of the Mid East Carriers.

Nothing will change, not now, not in 10 years time, or 20 years time.[/QUOTE]Very correct assessment. Chinese-Filipino cartel is killing Philippines for their own benefits.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1774959]They tried to Clark is not ideal until someone builds a high speed rail link to the capital, that will never happen as the politicians will never agree how to grab their pocketful of cash etc (and even if they do it will take years to build).[/QUOTE]I want to add to your statement. Filipinos are getting hired in Middle East due to their English language. They are very easy to communicate with all type of nationalities. Domestic helpers also do teach English to members of the families. Thai workers can not promptly communicate with the others due to their low English skills.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1775022]I want to add to your statement. Filipinos are getting hired in Middle East due to their English language. They are very easy to communicate with all type of nationalities. Domestic helpers also do teach English to members of the families. Thai workers can not promptly communicate with the others due to their low English skills.[/QUOTE]Undoubtedly true but there is also an influx of black South Africans who are cheaper. I know as I have to deal with a few and they are truly hopeless at decision making. Filipinos were the same at times in the region but their English was better and would follow through on things.

But the UAE, the region is fickle and things can change if they perceive that PAL etc don't play the game the UAE wants as it perceives it has the power as sees Filipinos as TCNs (third country nationals) only. Have seen it happen before and it will happen again IMHO.

The local carriers face many obstacles also which are not in their control as well but bleating to the President when things don't go their way seems to be something a few powerful families do here.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1775022]I want to add to your statement. Filipinos are getting hired in Middle East due to their English language. They are very easy to communicate with all type of nationalities. Domestic helpers also do teach English to members of the families. Thai workers can not promptly communicate with the others due to their low English skills.[/QUOTE]Filipinos are getting hired because they are cheap.

So cheap that a lot are working for slightly twice their salary back home!

That's the truth, all thanks to the Oligarch Cartel that keeps investors away, damn the poor man's suffering.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1775173]Filipinos are getting hired because they are cheap.

So cheap that a lot are working for slightly twice their salary back home!

That's the truth, all thanks to the Oligarch Cartel that keeps investors away, damn the poor man's suffering.[/QUOTE]I don't know if you have been in Middle East or not but I employed many foreign nationals in Saudi Arabia. Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans were much cheaper than Filipino employess but we preferred Filipinos due to their English and Western knowledge.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1775045]Undoubtedly true but there is also an influx of black South Africans who are cheaper. I know as I have to deal with a few and they are truly hopeless at decision making. Filipinos were the same at times in the region but their English was better and would follow through on things.

But the UAE, the region is fickle and things can change if they perceive that PAL etc don't play the game the UAE wants as it perceives it has the power as sees Filipinos as TCNs (third country nationals) only. Have seen it happen before and it will happen again IMHO.

The local carriers face many obstacles also which are not in their control as well but bleating to the President when things don't go their way seems to be something a few powerful families do here.[/QUOTE]I am sure you know how Arabs are racist towards the blacks. I am quite sure they give them the worst jobs even they can speak English.

Some guys might wonder about the real scope of Internet dating in the Philippines. Well my situation might be instructive. Instructive in terms of what can happen if you live here as I do. I live in a city. So in my profile I can refer to the fact that I am 'on the ground'. And actually, almost all of the girls have never met a foreigner and never will. So I am fresh meat. I use the website exclusively for my social life. To me there is none without it as I do not hang out anywhere at night. And Skype is essential. I will not interact with it. The country is obsessed with cellphone texting. I don't like it for getting to know someone and can't understand them when we are talking on the phone anyway. I have met some of the most beautiful girls that I have ever known. Of course not all. But plenty of 10's and some 2's also. And lot's of girls 50 years younger than me. Most are about 45 years younger than me. This is not the Dominican Republic where every girl is just about money. Lot's here are really about a husband and / or a realtionship. Sex is a 100% forgone conclusion. Ok, maybe 99%. The hours that the girls work on regular jobs makes things REALLY difficult. Most get 4 days off per month! Some work 12 hour days. They earn $160 a month for this. And they may work some distance, actually a great distance from where you are. They all spoke English At least the cabs are cheap. A one hour ride in the rain might cost $5. 00. (I hired a cab for a Sunday tour, 4 hours was $31). Anyway, I am no Don Juan that is for sure. And it is hard for me to believe that I turn anyone on. But I have received Interests, and messages on the website. Tons of them. So I counted up the number of 'favorites' that were sent to me over 30 days. Two short of 1000. In six months total interests have probably totaled 3500! Or many more. So, If social life is your thing then this is the land of milk and honey. If there is someplace better I certainly don't know where is might be.

This is where they invented 'Pura Vida'

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1775492]I don't know if you have been in Middle East or not but I employed many foreign nationals in Saudi Arabia. Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans were much cheaper than Filipino employess but we preferred Filipinos due to their English and Western knowledge.[/QUOTE]According to some recent news reports, overall revenues from OFWs actually declined--perhaps for the first time in a long while--over the past quarter. This has caused some concerns as remittances are the country's largest source of hard currency, given that aside from people, the Philippines doesn't export much of anything. However, it imports critical staples such as rice and gasoline and thus needs a reliable stream of hard cash to pay for it all.

Approximately 2 million Filipinos enter the labor force here every year, while the local economy creates about 1 million jobs a year. Thus the flood of those seeking oversea employment is likely to grow and given that supply exceeds demand, I imagine that salaries paid will either stagnate or fall.

GE.

I said 990 'favorites" I should have said 'interests' Still, shows the power of Internet and being here.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1775608]Approximately 2 million Filipinos enter the labor force here every year, while the local economy creates about 1 million jobs a year.

Thus the flood of those seeking oversea employment is likely to grow and given that supply exceeds demand, I imagine that salaries paid will either stagnate or fall.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE is correct in is premise on salaries if this related to the Middle East (where many end up).

Salaries 10 years ago in the UAE for example are now significantly less influx of people not only pinoy looking for work means employers have a huge advantage and can use that to its advantage.

For example, I know pinays offered jobs in malls in Dubai. Salary is PHP30-40 k a month which sounds great to them and the families who think she is rich! But the UAE is hugely expensive. And the salary is with no benefits. Even though the law says salary plus tickets home, employer pays visa expenses, healthcare. All these are expensive and is illegal for any employer to offer this contract (in reality it prepares a false employment contract to get the work visa as none are issued unless the contract obeys the law).

So room is around PHP 10-12 k (bed space with 4-6 people per room), plus transport and food (expensive even if Chowking etc) she can only have say PHP 10-15 k left to cover her meds, her family needs, her kids school fees etc.

If she does not accept as is the another will as plenty waiting for ay chance to ay cash (ie better earn than have nothing).

So remittances will over time suffer IMHO.

The lack of job creation in this country is another issue well discussed on this forum with way too many HRM, tourism graduates being sent out into the real world with no hope of a good job (and future?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1775608]According to some recent news reports, overall revenues from OFWs actually declined--perhaps for the first time in a long while--over the past quarter. This has caused some concerns as remittances are the country's largest source of hard currency, given that aside from people, the Philippines doesn't export much of anything. However, it imports critical staples such as rice and gasoline and thus needs a reliable stream of hard cash to pay for it all.[/QUOTE]If this is a trend and not a 1 year blip, the USD will get stronger vs the PHP. OFW remittances are the main thing propping up the PHP.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1775492]I don't know if you have been in Middle East or not but I employed many foreign nationals in Saudi Arabia. Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans were much cheaper than Filipino employess but we preferred Filipinos due to their English and Western knowledge.[/QUOTE]In Singapore, Filipinos are loved, not much for their English, but for the a) cheap cost vs others, b) willing to forego up to 6 months salary as placement fee, which some unscrupulous employees see as a revenue stream. (agreed, most of those taking advantage have no qualms because firstly they are small businesses, and secondly, it is a case of willing buyer-willing seller, though the Ministry of Manpower is finding ways to clamp down on that kind of abuse, their hands are tied when willingly Filipinos agree for massive placement fee).

I am talking of the professionals, in IT, service Industry etc. And in Singapore, English is not a major seller as almost everybody needs to know English to find a job, the only exception being PRCs.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/22/1502734/gunmen-kidnap-3-foreigners-filipino-davao-resort[/URL]

Zamboanga City, Philippines. Government troops have been alerted to be on the look out for fleeing gunmen who abducted three foreigners and a Filipina in a resort in Samal Island off Davao del Norte.

The kidnap victims are identified as Kjartan Sekkinstad, a Norwegian resort manager, his girlfriend named Tess and two Canadians identified as John Ridsdel and Robert Hall.

P.S. I would be interested in a collection of stories of the foreigners over the last 5 years who have met their untimely demise in this country.

[QUOTE=DarkKnight1;1777405]P.S. I would be interested in a collection of stories of the foreigners over the last 5 years who have met their untimely demise in this country.[/QUOTE]Not many cases even reach the news media.

In fact, a year ago a German was killed in Cavite, and till today the cops are saying it was a crime of passion. Though there was a kidnap attempt gone wrong.

Stories?

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1776310]In Singapore, Filipinos are loved, not much for their English, but for the a) cheap cost vs others, b) willing to forego up to 6 months salary as placement fee, which some unscrupulous employees see as a revenue stream. (agreed, most of those taking advantage have no qualms because firstly they are small businesses, and secondly, it is a case of willing buyer-willing seller, though the Ministry of Manpower is finding ways to clamp down on that kind of abuse, their hands are tied when willingly Filipinos agree for massive placement fee).

I am talking of the professionals, in IT, service Industry etc. And in Singapore, English is not a major seller as almost everybody needs to know English to find a job, the only exception being PRCs.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Booked a flight to Phils for 22 days leave on the 23rd day, then tonight I'm reading about the 21 day visa, anybody know what kind of jam up I face when leaving? Is this a big deal or something not to worrie about? Or something to be concerned about!

Thanks any help.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1777744]Hi,

Booked a flight to Phils for 22 days leave on the 23rd day, then tonight I'm reading about the 21 day visa, anybody know what kind of jam up I face when leaving? Is this a big deal or something not to worrie about? Or something to be concerned about!

Thanks any help.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.immigration.gov.ph/faqs/travel-req[/URL] says:

[QUOTE]
If you are a foreign national from a country with diplomatic ties or bilateral agreement with the Philippines, you are allowed to enter the country without securing an entry visa and will be given an initial stay of thirty (30) days provided that you are a holder of a passport valid for at least six (6) months beyond your contemplated stay in the Philippines and present a return or onward ticket.
[/QUOTE]

Just saw this in the Inquirer. Like a few other posters I use the airport a lot both domestically and internationally. Just something to be aware of and hope it never happens to anyone else. The US missionary seems to gone ad made a complaint, maybe picked on the wrong guy?

[URL]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/724782/another-naia-flyer-complains-bullet-in-bag-planted[/URL]

[QUOTE=RacShack;1777744]Hi,

Booked a flight to Phils for 22 days leave on the 23rd day, then tonight I'm reading about the 21 day visa, anybody know what kind of jam up I face when leaving? Is this a big deal or something not to worrie about? Or something to be concerned about!

Thanks any help.[/QUOTE]You have read old information. It used to be 21 days but nowadays it's 30. So nothing to worrie about.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1778179]Just saw this in the Inquirer. Like a few other posters I use the airport a lot both domestically and internationally. Just something to be aware of and hope it never happens to anyone else. The US missionary seems to gone ad made a complaint, maybe picked on the wrong guy?

[URL]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/724782/another-naia-flyer-complains-bullet-in-bag-planted[/URL][/QUOTE]A friend, once in NAIA 3, was told that the security found a pocket knife.

The fellow went ballistic and demanded what kind of joke is this, as he never has seen that knife in his whole life.

The security had laughed it off and told that it was a little joke. Joke Lang.

Not funny.

If my friend had got shocked, I am sure they would have set on him and tried to screw him.

I am sure many success stories never went to the press, as most people are terrified of Authority in PH.

Especially when you know they can make you miss the flight for no reason, and their leaders will insist that they are just following instructions!

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1778335]A friend, once in NAIA 3, was told that the security found a pocket knife.

The fellow went ballistic and demanded what kind of joke is this, as he never has seen that knife in his whole life.

The security had laughed it off and told that it was a little joke. Joke Lang.

Not funny.

If my friend had got shocked, I am sure they would have set on him and tried to screw him.

I am sure many success stories never went to the press, as most people are terrified of Authority in PH.

Especially when you know they can make you miss the flight for no reason, and their leaders will insist that they are just following instructions![/QUOTE]GE had posted the link also in the Manila thread (great minds think alike or just we both use NAIA a lot). I have no pockets etc on my hand carry so no one can plant anything in the bag All they can say is what happened to your friend and I would also react the same way and challenge the person.

As GE said, the number of scams (shale downs I you prefer) is increasing. What do you expect when politicians appear to do worse and get away with it. Was always told the leader sets an example. And they do and the subjects follow LOL.

Seriously this is not funny as it could be much worse than a missed flight as the missionary man found out.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1778454]What do you expect when politicians appear to do worse and get away with it. Was always told the leader sets an example. And they do and the subjects follow LOL.
[/QUOTE]Why blame the leaders? Their culture itself, in a way, screwed up for the state of the nation.

As Lee Kuan Yew famously said, the Filipino culture is so forgiving.

"Something had gone seriously wrong. Millions of Filipino men and women had to leave their country for jobs abroad beneath their level of education. Filipino professionals. Are as good as our own. Indeed, their architects, artists, and musicians are more artistic and creative than ours. The difference lies in the culture of the Filipino people. It is a soft, forgiving culture. Only in the Philippines could a leader like Ferdinand Marcos, who pillaged his country for over 20 years, still be considered for a national burial. Insignificant amounts of the loot have been recovered, yet his wife and children were allowed to return and engage in politics. "

And.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/news-feature/2015/03/23/1436680/15-things-lee-kuan-yew-said-about-philippines[/URL]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1778454]GE had posted the link also in the Manila thread (great minds think alike or just we both use NAIA a lot). I have no pockets etc on my hand carry so no one can plant anything in the bag All they can say is what happened to your friend and I would also react the same way and challenge the person.

As GE said, the number of scams (shale downs I you prefer) is increasing. What do you expect when politicians appear to do worse and get away with it. Was always told the leader sets an example. And they do and the subjects follow LOL.

Seriously this is not funny as it could be much worse than a missed flight as the missionary man found out.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, it's doubtful that the same scam could recur in Davao, as the security guys know full well what would likely happen to them as soon as the scam was reported. They would stand to lose significantly more than their jobs.

GE.

It seems that texting / calling is a pretty essential tool of the trade here. So I'm wondering what the best approach is. I really don't want to give out my cell number and was wondering what my options are? Can I buy a disposable / pay as you go phone when I get there? I mean I'm sure I can but is it the way to go?

I read about sim cards on here but not real familiar with those. Not really sure how those help the cause. Also, I have an iPhone so not sure if I can use a sim card with it.

How does everyone else handle this?

Thanks in advance.

Hoza

[QUOTE=Hoza1;1779162]It seems that texting / calling is a pretty essential tool of the trade here. So I'm wondering what the best approach is. I really don't want to give out my cell number and was wondering what my options are? Can I buy a disposable / pay as you go phone when I get there? I mean I'm sure I can but is it the way to go?

I read about sim cards on here but not real familiar with those. Not really sure how those help the cause. Also, I have an iPhone so not sure if I can use a sim card with it.[/QUOTE]You can Google instructions to find out if your iPhone is locked (or you can call your service provider, ie ATT) and they will tell you if the phone is locked. If its locked, they will send you an unlock code if you ask for it, via email. You can Google instructions for how to unlock your phone once you have the unlock code. Once the phone is unlocked, you buy a SIM card in the foreign country you visit (ie Phils, about $1) and stick it in your phone. Your phone has a new (phils) phone number as long as you leave the new SIM card in the phone. You can switch back / forth the SIM cards as you please. If you use a phils SIM card, you must pay (in advance) for a 'load' (the amount of timed calls, txt msgs, or data), typically any amount up to p1000. You can load a SIM card on the street for any amount, even a small amount like 5 pesos. Each txt msg will cost you 1 peso of your load. A phone call will typically cost you about p6 / minute. Using data to browse the web or chat in an app (ie, YM) will burn thru your load quickly.

You can also choose to purchase a pre-paid 'plan' for unlimited txt, call, and / or data, for a specific time (ie, 2 days, 7 days, 30 days). I prefer to get a phils SIM card in my phone and purchase an unlimited plan for 30 days (even if I'm in-country for 3 weeks only). Pinoy call an unlimited plan 'unli'.

If you choose not to use your phone, then yes, purchase a cheap disposable phone (along with a SIM card, and load it) and use that. A cheap disposable will run p600+, and a smart phone will cost p5000+.

WC.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1778575]Fortunately, it's doubtful that the same scam could recur in Davao, as the security guys know full well what would likely happen to them as soon as the scam was reported. They would stand to lose significantly more than their jobs.

GE.[/QUOTE]But GE, the scam still happens.

Best have one's cell phone on audio RECORD while going through ALL airports in the Philippines.

That way, the request for dirt money is recorded. At least then one has evidence. A good lawyer would need that and the TV channels would love to get hold of that recording.

I know everyone has a different perspective on looks. But we would all agree that Victoria Secret girls are hot. I am looking for very hot girls like that in Philippines.

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?

From the Makati thread -.

[QUOTE=Hoza1;1779302]Unfortunately. Or more accurately fortunately. I have a life that precludes me from fucking a new stranger every hour on the hour and then spending whatever time is left reading thousands of pages of threads on fucking. You truly live a "blessed" life. Congrats.

There is an inherent seediness to mongering no matter how you do it (if anyone thinks there isn't, you're fooling yourself). To me you ratchet it up to whole new levels. You may be a great guy. You just seem whacked to me.[/QUOTE]I agree, Mr Hoza: As subjective as "seediness" is, this forum would not exist without it. On that premise, any variation of seediness on this forum among individuals is just a matter of degree. As for Mr Skogis's time spent reading and writing on this forum, I'm very appreciative. His reading and writing pastime harm none while informing and entertaining many. Such contributions and contributors are the reason this forum exists.

Many, maybe even most of us make no deceptive promises to the women we bed. Mr Skogis in particular even gives them money even though he specifically excludes girls who request it up front. This eliminates the whole prostititution-as-exploitation debate and is simply two (or three or however many) competent adults doing whatever consenting adults want to do with or to or for each other in private. Specifically in the Philippines, there's such a bewildering mix of self-delusion, repressed desires, desperation, curiosity, lengthy celibacy, hopeless abandon, sincere affection, scheming and deception in differing proportions, that it's impossible to untangle motives. It's a form of respect just to assume the women we meet know what's best for their own selves.

I disagree that Mr Skogis is whacked. Many or most guys would love to own a palace with a large wing for the fully occupied harem of eager sexmates. (I'd personally also have a refuge wing where none could enter.) Just figuring out the logistics of it now: Lease an entire boarding house with a separate nearby small condo for my refuge? I'm open to suggestions in this area, whacked though it may be. I agree that consenting passionate adult sex is indeed a blessing. I wish it for all, each as much or as little as makes them happy.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1779197]
There seems to be a rock-solid belief system in pinoy culture regarding boy / girl relationships, that seems to go something like this: {Meet. Attracted. Date. Engage. Marry. Raise up a bunch of babies. Stay sweet on each other thru old age}. That is not always a reality, but the belief seems to be held solidly in almost all pinoy I've run into.
[/QUOTE]Very well stated, Mr Coast. Just to entertain myself, I play games with this belief system you describe. When a girl criticizes another for being "malandi" (flirtatious, or even slutty depending on context), I'll ask "Don't you believe that there's a good match for her somewhere?" They'll assume any breakup is tragic, involving 3rd party sex and go through absurd lengths to keep up appearances. How many Filipinas we've met were theoretically (at least to friends / family / neighbors) in a relationship with another guy? I'm thinking most. The vast majority of dating site girls say "I'm looking for a serious relationship" (precisely what you describe) or "I'm looking for a husband. " I mock that one by saying "Shouldn't you be friends first?" They rarely get it. It's bizarre how this belief system keeps its hold on Filipinas in spite of the disrespect, mistreatment and abandonment they often get from Pinoy guys. Makes a guy the slightest bit considerate seem like a knight in shining armor by comparison. To paraphrase one of my mongering exemplars about his dating prospects when visiting the Philippines: "So many hot single moms, so little time!" Somehow all these contradictions even get compartmentalized so that sexy Pinays can eagerly ride Wooly ragged one hour, then spend formal time with the family and official Pinoy BF the next.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1779197]Westerners also have this belief system, but we also understand there are breakups, and also people who don't want anything to do with this system. Tell any pinoy that you don't believe in this system (ie, that you don't want marriage, or kids, or that you want kids outside of marriage) and they will look at you like you are from another planet, and they might try and change your mind (to the point of re-arguing the idea with you ad nauseum).[/QUOTE]Agreed: Most Filipinas can't fathom holding sincere beliefs about relationships different from their own. My long term Filipina friends all eventually came to thank me for my candor after they got literally and figuratively screwed over so many times by others.

[QUOTE=PdxMonger;1779380]I know everyone has a different perspective on looks. But we would all agree that Victoria Secret girls are hot. I am looking for very hot girls like that in Philippines.

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?[/QUOTE]I hope you don't mind my saying, but this is a silly question. There is no particular city which has a monopoly on good looking women. All cities have their share of hot and ugly women. Yes, even Medellin, Colombia has ugly woman. If you are looking for Victoria Secret type girls, you should visit the Hi-so clubs in Manila. Hutsori has written detailed lists in this forum of high end club action.

[QUOTE=PdxMonger;1779380]I know everyone has a different perspective on looks. But we would all agree that Victoria Secret girls are hot. I am looking for very hot girls like that in Philippines.

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?[/QUOTE]I agree with ED and he did not note you ask lots of questions but don't say which of the places you visit have the best.

Beauty is in the eye of beholder, I see guys with girls who IMHO are ugly so who know the answer.

There are so many beautiful girls around the world but if I would narrow it down to the PD Mongers question, I would go with Jakarta. Girls down there I find more stunning than in most countries. No one has to agree with me but I am speaking in general terms only. Often are indo girls taller, better boobs and hips that pinays(better than most girls globaly infact)

I view this also from a globaly perspective though and I believe that the most stunning girls grew up everywhere. Like in my country, and no one knows why, we have this small town / village called Jessheim (a tad north of Oslo). Here are, by far, the most beautiful norwegian girls come from So in this perspective I find the questionmaker not to far off asking his question. They grow up and lovate everywhere. Ofcourse if u are stunningly beautiful, then at some point most girls will use there Beauty (and the beast) will be sometimes centered to small locations and in a genetic perspective beautiful people mate with other beautiful people. I leave out many factors but still it can be some sort of explenation.

[QUOTE=PdxMonger;1779380]I know everyone has a different perspective on looks. But we would all agree that Victoria Secret girls are hot. I am looking for very hot girls like that in Philippines.

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?[/QUOTE]The hottest girls are always in the cities with best economies. For example, assuming you are from Portland, OR, most of the hot girls from Portland go to LA. LV, PHX, MIA or NY. So, the same rules apply the Philippines. Hotties are around Makati Greenbelt, GBC or Cebu. Even if they are not there, they will eventually end up there.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1779912]The hottest girls are always in the with best economies.[/QUOTE]I agree with this analysis. I think I will stick to Makati. That is what I wanted to know. I know beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and no one city has all the good looking girls. But there may me some places that the hot P4P females congregate for better business, laws, cops etc. That is what I was looking for.

Was fortunate enough to make a first trip to Makati and AC a few months ago. Only spent about a day and a half in Makati, but it is obviously a good area. Only had time for a Burgos bar girl and a Havana Cafe freelancer, both were not that special but I can see how those with time and some fieldwork do very well there. Then headed to AC for a week. A board member graciously showed me the place on my first night, I picked up a girl way too late, thought she did a runner but it turned out she came back a few hours later with a friend who she offered up to me and they just wanted to screw, sleep and eat. Crazy place, crazy girls.

On my second night in AC I met a super cute, super sweet 21 year old bargirl who was also really shy. She had only been in town two months and had not accepted many barfines (other girls in the bar and the manager later verified this), mostly wanted to sell drinks (needed to raise money to help her family rebuild house in Tacloban destroyed by hurricane). Told her I was a nice guy and she eventually agreed to a bar fine. I think it helped that I am reasonably young by AC standards (43) and short and fit (I am not too far from being Philipino sized, but with an American sized wallet). Wound up spending the next 6 nights with this girl. Didn't go to AC with the intent of wife-ing up, but it was just a great GFE experience and the girl was very sweet and easy to be with (the "its up to you" pinay experience). Also I was there in July, AC was insanely hot and basically the town is a dive, so spending each day just chilling with this girl at the pool on top of the Penthouse Hotel seemed like the best thing I could do there (FYI. The Penthouse Hotel is nice, but poorly built and looks far more worn than a 2 year old building should, plus one elevator is always out of order. Locals told me the Central Park Tower next door is much better and it also has a nice roof top pool). I know I probably should have handled this differently and tried out a lot more girls, but I still had a great time. At the end of 6 nights the girl was crying when I left and I promised to come back soon. She wound up moving back to her family home shortly after I left town and I have been chatting with her on Viber. While she is a very sweet and simple girl, the conversation is a bit lacking as you might expect.

I now have the chance to spend up to 2 weeks in the Phils around American Thanksgiving after business meetings in Singapore. I was thinking of flying to Cebu, spending a week there (trying my luck with bars, malls and online sites) in order to experience more girls and hopefully not just bar girls. After a week on my own, I was going to fly the girl I met in AC to Cebu and then head with her to Boracay for a week.

Hope this wasn't too much background info. My questions for the Board are:

1. Is Cebu a reasonably nice place (is it more like Makati than AC?) where you can enjoy walking around, some sightseeing and of course trying to pick up girls? I have read that it is one of the nicest cities in the Phils, is this true? Are there any non-mongering tourist activities worth doing there? Any recommended places to stay in Cebu. Should I try to be close to the malls or bars?

2. For online sites that work in Cebu it seems the Board members use DIA and Filipino Cupid. Are there other sites I should look to? Given that I only have a week, it is worth it to spend time online or are Cebu girls receptive enough that just walking around malls and the city can work? Are there any Board members in Cebu who would be willing to help this noob out?

3. If possible I prefer LT GFE experiences, is that possible with girls in Cebu or do they generally have to get back home and can't be gone all night? (obviously one advantage with bar girls in AC is that overnight is the standard).

4. Haven't read much about Boracay on the Board, other than the recommendation to bring a girl with you. For those who have gone, is it worth going if I am looking for a good beach vacation or are other spots better? Any recommendations on where to stay? Are all the tourists there from China / Korea or do English speakers go there?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts. I greatly appreciate ISG and I try to give back when I can.

I was in Boracay in March '15 for 3 nights and brought a girl with me. The beach setting is spectacular, but the water had a band of green algae extending out about 15-20 feet. The majority of visitors seemed to be Korean and Japanese, but English was the common language. There are a lot of restaurants on the beach but I did not find a good one in my 3 nights. The fire shows on the beach are interesting the first time. There are a lot of activities such as snorkeling, helmet and scuba diving and jet skiing available at a reasonable price, but best to book directly with the operator (Station 1) and not with touts or hotel. There is good evening and night social life with live bands playing until 1-2 am. The women I saw that were possibly "available" at the tourist bars would have had to pay me, but I didn't spend anytime searching for that so there may have been better options elsewhere.

I plan to return with another girl. But if you are already in Cebu, you can book a beach resort on Mactan Island and save a lot in airfare, time and hassle (getting to Boracay from the closest airport is an adventure in itself). The beaches on Mactan Island are not as scenic, but they are more private. Again, the majority of guests are Japanese and Korean. But the Filipino hotel staff are sincerely happy to have you. And, you will get to experience rural Philippines on the ride out to the beach; an experience you won't get staying in the city. It'll put "poor" in a whole different context.

[QUOTE=PdxMonger;1780451]I agree with this analysis. I think I will stick to Makati. That is what I wanted to know. I know beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and no one city has all the good looking girls. But there may me some places that the hot P4P females congregate for better business, laws, cops etc. That is what I was looking for.[/QUOTE]I recommend you to do your homework before going there. Also Manila do have a serious traffic issue and you just schedule your appointments accordingly. I also recommend you to stay around Greenbelt. There are couple places where FL hang out. You can find some hotties and go to your hotel in a breeze. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Hutzesq;1780497]Hope this wasn't too much background info. My questions for the Board are:

1. Is Cebu a reasonably nice place (is it more like Makati than AC?) where you can enjoy walking around, some sightseeing and of course trying to pick up girls? I have read that it is one of the nicest cities in the Phils, is this true? Are there any non-mongering tourist activities worth doing there? Any recommended places to stay in Cebu. Should I try to be close to the malls or bars?

2. For online sites that work in Cebu it seems the Board members use DIA and Filipino Cupid. Are there other sites I should look to? Given that I only have a week, it is worth it to spend time online or are Cebu girls receptive enough that just walking around malls and the city can work? Are there any Board members in Cebu who would be willing to help this noob out?

3. If possible I prefer LT GFE experiences, is that possible with girls in Cebu or do they generally have to get back home and can't be gone all night? (obviously one advantage with bar girls in AC is that overnight is the standard)..[/QUOTE]There is a separate thread on Cebu that can help you with the questions. But yes IMHO Cebu is way better than Manila / Makati. But don't tell people as they will all come to Cebu and spoil my fun LOL. Pinays are pinays everywhere, need to ask ad see what happens.

[QUOTE=Hutzesq;1780497] Haven't read much about Boracay on the Board, other than the recommendation to bring a girl with you. For those who have gone, is it worth going if I am looking for a good beach vacation or are other spots better? Any recommendations on where to stay? Are all the tourists there from China / Korea or do English speakers go there?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts. I greatly appreciate ISG and I try to give back when I can.[/QUOTE]I've been 3 times to Boracay (Oct 14, Jan 15 and Feb 15). 2 times each time with different regular pinay and 1 time with my norwegian GF. Since I use phils as a pukie paradise it felt only weird bringing a GF here, hehe.

With the pinays I stayed at Uptown resort(quite big room with huge terrace)located at station 2 and its d'Mall. It was on the beachfront. Atleast living close to the d'Mall you have loads of shopping/resto options and atleast girls tend to appreciate this greatly and it means you can get a little me time. I need activity so just do sunbathing is not my cup of tea so I do all activity possible at a beach. Some of them mentioned here by previous poster. On one occation I rented a speedboat for a whole day and that was fun driving like crazy. Had to have a guide with us but since I know how to handle speedboats and as he soon realized this, he just sat in the back sleeping and ofcourse corrected me when I tried to be a bit to adventerous and tried going into restricted areas. If I remember correctly I paid 10000 or 15000 piso for a whole day (more than enough to get tired from it). Second time i rented a speedboat for only a few hours and it was 5 or 7000piso. It takes you faster around the small island than the boring catamarans (I think them are boring). Jetski is normaly fun but on boracay you have to drive around in circle on a very restricted area so it is fun the first ten lapses maybe. The Uptown resort was US150 or 200 a night (something in that area) and slow wifi on both occations.

With my norwegian GF I stayed at Shangri-la resort. This is pure luxury and located a bit offskirts from the rest of the boracay action. On the other hand everything you possible can think of is located within the resort and its got its own private beach. They have incl transports to and from the "city" and also have one private port so you get picked up at Catlican and boated all the way to Shangri-la. For a private house of some size (1 bdr pool villa, 250 sqm) on this resort expect to pay around US1100 a night. I played a lot of tabletennis with the staff here while my GF rested out in the sun.

More general stralling around within the the'Mall I saw inside some bars ladies sitting and nursing their san miguels. Atleast they looked like they could be available for rent. The bar outside Red Coconut Hotel seemed also to get a few seedy ladies during nighttime (located at the beachfront not far from the'Mall). A few beauties to be seen but my general impression from what I saw and conclusion based from that would be: bring your own package to Boracay.

But in general I did like Boracay even if, as stated from a previous poster earlier, the never ending firedanceshows quickly gets old. It can also be a hazzle bcs every resto / bar of some size has its own liveband. This does not prevent you from also having to listen to the neighbouring live bands. It soon becomes confusing when you hear Bony M, U2 and "Living like a prayer" all in one time.

[QUOTE=PdxMonger;1779380]If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?[/QUOTE]IMHO in the mongering world you just have to follow the money. Money money means better looking women, all other environmental conditions remaining the same. For instance, there is a ton of money here in Singapore but the LE makes availability harder than say. BKK.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1780594]Thanks for the heads up Mr Wooly. Gave me a nice chuckle. And your advice would be taken up if I've ever met such a young girl again. Still I am curious when guys say they take these girls and some even spend many days / week together, how is that possible? What they do? We all know no one can fuck 24 hrs in a row (atleast not without breaks and it is the breaks which would worrie me sick). In the real world this is a non excisting problem and maybe even just a problem I've created in my head. Even so we know that the mongerworld works different from the outside world (atleast in my case, hehe) Puh finaly home for some needed rest time.[/QUOTE]Here's my best serious answer to the problem:

With Pinays who are just hot with no intellectual interests. I take them to movies, zip lines, bowling, swimming, Enchanted Kingdom, lazer tag, cart racing or sporting events. All of these things entertain me without intellectual demands.

For finding hot Pinays who can offer both sex and adult intellectual conversation, I've only found success with students and grads of the better colleges. Below are my experiences by college. My advice is to gradually shift your FB contacts in the direction of better colleges. IMHO your biggest challenge is keeping your world-class schedule efficiency. Your posts describe staying mostly in a small area of Makati. Most of the best colleges and college girls are elsewhere.

Most of my experience with the smarter girls required at least one or two non-sex meetings outside the hotel. Typical date stuff: food, drinks, whatever. They also react better to good, intelligent conversations online. That takes more time too, but if you're always working on 5-10 new ones the sex schedule fills up easily. At least for me and normal guys who can survive on only 2 or 3 pops per day. Note: I have no idea if my experiences are typical. My generalizations may be worthless. I'm curious how other experienced members would describe. Anybody who disagrees with me can ignore.

My observations in Metro Manila:

UP Diliman (Quezon City) - Very smart. Public university so lots of needy girls, but can be proud. If you're nerdy or your politics are leftist or you can pretend, you can get what you want by keeping communication over time. Eventually many apples drop from the tree. Good place for long-term friends who will be available over the years for occasional fun if that's what you want. Not a high percentage of hotties, but there are some.

FEU (Manila) - Very large number of sexy girls from humble families trying to live more glamorous lifestyles and find a sugar daddy or two. They get addicted to spending more than they have. Happiest hunting grounds for a guy who likes to sponsor a girl while getting connections to more college girls than he'll ever be able to bang. Except of course Mr Skogis. Not intellectual, but at least know current events.

JRU (Mandaluyong) - Earnest intelligent girls, but lots from the local Mandaluyong area. They'll often see people they know at the nearby malls (Marketplace Kalentong, Robinson Forum, etc) and be very conservative in public there, but if you persuade them to cross the river into Makati most should be ready to play on the second or third date. One I knew was conservative but persuadable if she thinks you're "serious" and you spend time and pretend it's only her. Another was very smart and after establishing a real acquaintanceship will admit she needs a sponsor. She was not good looking but one of the best cowgirls I've ever met.

UMak (Makati) - Dirt-cheap education for girls with no money. I've never met a girl from UMak who didn't want a sugar daddy, and most could be talked into sex. For your preferred hotel location I recommend starting here, although it's closer to the Fort. Lots of needy hotties, but not geniuses. They try to postpone sex until after the first date. Depends how much brain effort you want to spend persuading.

University of Perpetual Help System (Las Pinas) - Lots of beautiful girls, but higher rate of virgins. I detect a peer pressure of shame against especially foreigner BF and sex in general. Definitely recommend protecting her privacy to have a chance. Much better chance to succeed after they graduate and go into the real world. They're horny, are unemployed or working entry-level jobs, and don't have their college buddies hanging around to be embarrassed. They just need lots of nonsense words and time to pass before play.

University of Caloocan City. Similar to UMak cheap education but even poorer. When they start they are conservative and terrified of "chismis" (rumors), but by the time they graduate they are desperate for "a stable guy" and will play whatever you want if you protect them from "chismis". Last year students and recent grads are most ready.

My experiences outside of Metro Manila are restricted to a couple cities, but PM if interested. Hope this helps, and good luck!

I'll be posting this in the Bangkok General Info site as well. Here's my situation: love Pinays and spend a good bit of time in PI but need to be in Bangkok for the next several months.

This question is for pan-Asian monger travelers / workers who may share the same Pinay Predilection: Where is the best hunting grounds for Pinays in Bangkok?. Is Bangkok much of a destination for the OFW domestic helper troops?

I'm NOT looking for bar girls who just make the BKK loop to snag johns. Am looking for more of a "normal" girl who could use a little companionship, help, and a friendly monger to ease her day.

Thanks, guys.

BTW, am in Hong Kong right now. No shortage of Pinays working Wan Chi and TST here, at prices leagues above PI. Was talking to one last night and she informed me Pinays can only come to HK about twice a year, visa-wise, and they make the most of the earning opportunities. Prices at about 1000 HKD ($130 USD) for short-time.

Skogis, Wicked Roger & SaltyPete. Thanks for your thoughts on Cebu and Boracay. Seems like my plan is a reasonable one. SaltyPete. Not sure why you said getting to Boracay is an adventure. It looks like there are lots of Cebu Pacific flights from Cebu to Catlican and I can fly direct from Kalibo to Taipei to catch a flight back home to the States. I thought the main problem with air travel in the Phils was Manila airport. Are these airports also a mess or is the problem in getting to and from the airports?

Wicked Roger. I will also post my questions in the Cebu forum. Since I was asking about several places, I went with the general forum.

Thanks

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1780862]Here's my best serious answer to the problem:

With Pinays who are just hot with no intellectual interests. I take them to movies, zip lines, bowling, swimming, Enchanted Kingdom, lazer tag, cart racing or sporting events. All of these things entertain me without intellectual demands.

For finding hot Pinays who can offer both sex and adult intellectual conversation, I've only found success with students and grads of the better colleges. Below are my experiences by college. My advice is to gradually shift your FB contacts in the direction of better colleges. IMHO your biggest challenge is keeping your world-class schedule efficiency. Your posts describe staying mostly in a small area of Makati. Most of the best colleges and college girls are elsewhere.
[/QUOTE]Of course girls vary widely, but this is an excellent, if general report. The UP girls I've met are wonderful, fully conversant in English, very world aware, tend to do charity work, and even have an understanding about food once they leave school and find good employment. They're very aspirational, but not greedy. They're keen to travel overseas and once employed many do so independently. These girls are doers. Polytechnic University of the Philippines is for the poor kids who are aren't smart enough to enter UP, but they're still smart. Ateneo and DLSU girls tend to be upper crust, privileged, more fashion and consumer oriented, generally smart but not socially aware unless it's a social-event charity. These two schools get tagged unfairly of being arrogant, but I haven't found that in my case. Could be they are uppity around Filipinos. Their big concern is rumours and scandal, so they are good for fubus with foreigners because we don't run in their social circles. UST girls are a notch lower than DLSU and Ateneo. Mapua girls are the engineers and scientists. They're pretty bright, not super attractive, and Mapua has a small presence in Makati. FEU also has a presence in Makati across the street from RCBC at corner of Ayala Ave and Buendia. There's a Starbucks at the Columns Condos next to the school; the DLSU runs some MBA courses inside RCBC, and there is a Starbucks inside RCBC. The University of the City of Manila (not the University of Manila) is a tuition-free school that attracts the very bright but poor. Girls from provincial state schools who have moved to Manila after completing their studies are OK. Their English can be a bit shaky but they tend to be keen. Often they're away from home for the first time, have a bit of money in their pockets, and they're eager to embrace their freedom and experiences, but they're not earning much and have obligations to send money home. These girls are more reactors than initiators, but will happily follow along in just about anything.

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By shavy.

Sep 24,2015.

Earlier this year in 2015, this kind of tricks at Manila Airport has been reported by a few travellers. At the security check control if your not the lucky one you will be confronted with this horrible situation.

During security control while your luggage passing through X-ray scanner, they will pick you up to set aside. You'll be ask to open your luggage. One of security staff is wearing gloves, will go into your bags and suddenly they'll found a bullets inside.

Surely, nobody travel with bullet in their luggage. The interrogation start here. They will take you to an office where you will be ask to pay an amount and they'll let you go. If you don't want to pay you will be hold as long as they want till you've change your mind to pay the certain amount, the asked amount is about 30.000 peso.

Lately this incident is getting worse, one of our friend has been a victim. This happen at terminal 4, he was travelling to Palawan with his father and stepmother when they were stopped at the X-ray scanner area of NAIA Terminal 4.

They said a security guard pulled out a 22 caliber bullet from the pocket of his luggage after repeatedly scanning it on the X-ray machine. He denied that the bullet belonged to him. He told the security staff he was not aware how it got inside the luggage.

During their conversation, our friend alleged that a male security staff told him that his problem will be settled for P30,000. He refused to settle with the NAIA staff and instead insisted that he is innocent.

Our friend was detained for five days by airport police at the Manila International Airport for allegedly concealing a bullet in his checked-in baggage. He's already hired a lawyer to answer the charges against him. He is contemplating on pressing civil and criminal charges against the people who attempted to extort money from him, himself is a lawyer he know he's right.

Fellow travellers be very careful when traveling to Manila. I'll be travelling to Manila soon. Some travellers advice to wrap a plastic to your luggage before check-in. Locked your hand luggage and your small bag, so they can't get with their hands during X-ray scan. If you need to open your luggage be alert and keep an eye to officer's hand. Recommended taking your cell phone to film any search of your bags.

[QUOTE=Hutzesq;1780932]SaltyPete. Not sure why you said getting to Boracay is an adventure. It looks like there are lots of Cebu Pacific flights from Cebu to Catlican and I can fly direct from Kalibo to Taipei to catch a flight back home to the States. I thought the main problem with air travel in the Phils was Manila airport. Are these airports also a mess or is the problem in getting to and from the airports?
Thanks[/QUOTE]The air travel was fine. I've had 4 flights on Cebu Pacific and each time I've checked in, I've been told that my flight is delayed 2 hours, but the previous delayed flight still has open seats, and departs at my flights departure time. Would I like a seat on it? So it pays to get to the airport a bit early if you want to arrive at your destination on time. Cebu Pacific has a partnership with Southwest, a company that provides transportation from Catlican to Boracay via bus, ferry, then bus, and they sell passes on the flight. My original plan was to just trike it to the dock, catch a public ferry, then a trike to the hotel but the Southwest pass seemed a lot less stressful so I bought a couple for my girl and me. Unfortunately, once we landed, Southwest required a printout of my Cebu Pacific listing which I did not have (boarding passes were not acceptable). But the passengers that did have their printouts had to stand in a line to get their docs checked, stand in another line to get a ticket, wait for the next private bus to the docks, wait for the next private ferry, then wait for the next private bus to take them to their hotel, which stopped at multiple other hotels en route.

I was eventually able to get a printout of the listing from the airline's office at the airport, then did the line-up-and-wait routine myself. All in all, it would have been cheaper and much faster for me to stick with my original plan. Since I arrived with jet lag, I was not in a good mood to deal with this non-sense so I started the trip in a bad mood. I should have done better research on ground transportation but it was a spontaneous trip.

This post should be a sticky.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1780862]Here's my best serious answer to the problem:

With Pinays who are just hot with no intellectual interests. I take them to movies, zip lines, bowling, swimming, Enchanted Kingdom, lazer tag, cart racing or sporting events. All of these things entertain me without intellectual demands.

For finding hot Pinays who can offer both sex and adult intellectual conversation, I've only found success with students and grads of the better colleges. Below are my experiences by college. My advice is to gradually shift your FB contacts in the direction of better colleges. IMHO your biggest challenge is keeping your world-class schedule efficiency. Your posts describe staying mostly in a small area of Makati. Most of the best colleges and college girls are elsewhere.

Most of my experience with the smarter girls required at least one or two non-sex meetings outside the hotel. Typical date stuff: food, drinks, whatever. They also react better to good, intelligent conversations online. That takes more time too, but if you're always working on 5-10 new ones the sex schedule fills up easily. At least for me and normal guys who can survive on only 2 or 3 pops per day. Note: I have no idea if my experiences are typical. My generalizations may be worthless. I'm curious how other experienced members would describe. Anybody who disagrees with me can ignore.

My observations in Metro Manila:

UP Diliman (Quezon City) - Very smart. Public university so lots of needy girls, but can be proud. If you're nerdy or your politics are leftist or you can pretend, you can get what you want by keeping communication over time. Eventually many apples drop from the tree. Good place for long-term friends who will be available over the years for occasional fun if that's what you want. Not a high percentage of hotties, but there are some.

FEU (Manila) - Very large number of sexy girls from humble families trying to live more glamorous lifestyles and find a sugar daddy or two. They get addicted to spending more than they have. Happiest hunting grounds for a guy who likes to sponsor a girl while getting connections to more college girls than he'll ever be able to bang. Except of course Mr Skogis. Not intellectual, but at least know current events.

JRU (Mandaluyong) - Earnest intelligent girls, but lots from the local Mandaluyong area. They'll often see people they know at the nearby malls (Marketplace Kalentong, Robinson Forum, etc) and be very conservative in public there, but if you persuade them to cross the river into Makati most should be ready to play on the second or third date. One I knew was conservative but persuadable if she thinks you're "serious" and you spend time and pretend it's only her. Another was very smart and after establishing a real acquaintanceship will admit she needs a sponsor. She was not good looking but one of the best cowgirls I've ever met.

UMak (Makati) - Dirt-cheap education for girls with no money. I've never met a girl from UMak who didn't want a sugar daddy, and most could be talked into sex. For your preferred hotel location I recommend starting here, although it's closer to the Fort. Lots of needy hotties, but not geniuses. They try to postpone sex until after the first date. Depends how much brain effort you want to spend persuading.

University of Perpetual Help System (Las Pinas) - Lots of beautiful girls, but higher rate of virgins. I detect a peer pressure of shame against especially foreigner BF and sex in general. Definitely recommend protecting her privacy to have a chance. Much better chance to succeed after they graduate and go into the real world. They're horny, are unemployed or working entry-level jobs, and don't have their college buddies hanging around to be embarrassed. They just need lots of nonsense words and time to pass before play.

University of Caloocan City. Similar to UMak cheap education but even poorer. When they start they are conservative and terrified of "chismis" (rumors), but by the time they graduate they are desperate for "a stable guy" and will play whatever you want if you protect them from "chismis". Last year students and recent grads are most ready.

My experiences outside of Metro Manila are restricted to a couple cities, but PM if interested. Hope this helps, and good luck![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Worf1972;1781088]..............................Be cautioned during security check.

Sep 24,2015.

Earlier this year in 2015, this kind of tricks at Manila Airport has been reported by a few travellers. At the security check control if your not the lucky one you will be confronted with this horrible situation. ..................................................[/QUOTE]Bullet scam:

Thanks for that important info. Only suggestion I can make is land at Cebu or Clark airports to avoid the Manila scam. Taking pic. You would have to be close up to his hand, they could say taking pics inside airport not allowed etc. We need some response from smart travellers, there might be a way around it. Paying legal fees, being held at Airport for five days, is not an option. Thanks pal.

The Philippine Government spent P1. 2-billion in advertising trying to convince foreigners that "It's More Fun in the Philippines" and reported that international tourists spent $12 billion visiting the Philippines last year. However, as usual Filipinos always find a way to kill the Golden Goose. The scam where airport security plant bullets in the luggage of unsuspecting travelers then offer them the choice of paying P30,000 extortion money on the spot for their freedom or refuse and pay P80,000 bail after a few nights in a Third World jail has gone viral on social media. The fact that one of their victims is an American Christian missionary and do-gooder unafraid of being martyred to prove his innocence is really causing the news to spread faster and further than it would have had they framed the average aging sex tourist on his way home with a bag full of dildos, dog collars and other perverted sexual knickknacks.

President Aquino is a shrewd politician. He realizes that while Filipinos are generally unsympathetic to the misfortune of foreign tourists, they would rather not be known as the country that persecutes Christian missionaries who refuse to cooperate in extortion attempts by security personnel supposedly there to protect the welfare of citizen and foreign travelers. In an uncharacteristic turn of events he has ordered an immediate investigation into the extortion of travelers at NAIA. Probably the latest kidnapping of foreigners and subsequent evasion of a Philippine naval blockade by local terrorists also added pressure on Malacañang to do something.

It certainly is not more fun in the Philippines for tourists in 2015, so the slogan "Visit the Philippines Again" in 2016 seems like dark twisted humor. Sex tourists are no strangers to extortion schemes like a sweet innocent Filipina planting crystal meth in their room after nice shag followed by a surprise visit from friendly Filipino policemen who seem to be more adept at homing in on the hidden narcotics than most drug canines. Sex tourists are also hardly surprised when they're frantically pumping away at Lucifer's cradle only to be interrupted by a quick knock, the opening of the door by the hotel manager, and the swift entry of friendly policemen who declare that the Filipina entertaining the foreigner is uncertain of her age. These tourists consider such misfortunes par for the course when hunting the gaping dragon in the Philippines.

What they don't expect is being accosted by security personnel at the airport for a P30,000 "poriner departure tax" after they expended their last peso on Gretchin's grabber in Angeles, Cebu, Malate, or Makati for the more well-heeled sex tourist. This surprise P30,000 exit tax may be enough for some mongers to consider Thailand a cheaper and safer alternative. The prospect of some Filipino security official grinning like Lolong the crocodile saying, "Visit the Philippines again!" after extorting P30,000 is enough to make already skittish aspiring visitors consider alternative tourist destinations.

Of course, regulars and entrenched expats will continue to monger on as they have in the past in spite of ever growing dangers. That, however, will not grow tourism or fill the ever expanding inventory of condos and hotel rooms built in anticipation of more foreign tourist dollars. OFWs may be in a poor position to pick up the slack as remittances have recently sagged in tandem with slowing economies abroad.

CM well written post. I think the way to counter this, is for all of us to place a dozen or more rubber play bullets in our bags packed so tight that when they open it, the rubber bullets fly out and scatter all over the place. Better yet place confetti in there. Then we would all be in a position to demand a payment! Let's have some fun at it.

If we all did this I could see an end to the P30 k departure tax pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1781282]Bullet scam:

Thanks for that important info. Only suggestion I can make is land at Cebu or Clark airports to avoid the Manila scam. Taking pic. You would have to be close up to his hand, they could say taking pics inside airport not allowed etc. We need some response from smart travellers, there might be a way around it. Paying legal fees, being held at Airport for five days, is not an option. Thanks pal.[/QUOTE]Like RK and WR and other residents here, I (unfortunately) use NAIA frequently as I have no alternative. My only recourse, as I see it, is to buy a new carry-on bag with no outside pockets, and as always to make sure the bag is locked. Of course, as always, keep a vigilant eye in your bag from the moment it leaves your hand, and, in the case of being asked to step over for a quiet conversation, respond by saying:"Sure, just let me get my bag. " Things do appear to be getting worse here for locals and expats alike. If I were a newbie, or even an experienced traveler looking to spend some quality time with nubile young things with as few hassles as possible, I'd sure as hell choose Thailand.

I spent one night this week in Angeles, at ABC as always. I was talking to the owner of the hotel and he told me that business is down somewhat from last year. He attributes the decline to the growing disgust with the airport and the hassles of coping with Manila traffic. He thinks that foreigners are simply fed up and don't want to deal with the horrors of NAIA or the traffic. As a case in point, the distance between the Fairmont in Makati and Angeles is about 92 kms. Yesterday, the trip took approximately 90 minutes, leaving the hotel at about 11 AM. Today, leaving the hotel at 8 AM, we were just in time to catch the paralyzing traffic on EDSA, and the final few kilometers took more than an hour, making the trip about two and a half hours. Who needs the hassle?

GE.

Another intriguing report from CM, which somehow touches on politics, tourism, money, expat, sex, advertising, monger, aging sex tourist (ouch), crime, drugs, Lucifer, danger, corruption, religion, missionaries, taxes, airport security, police, Thailand, crocodiles, sex toys, naval blockades and remittances. Oh, don't forget fun!

What is a "Gretchin's grabber"?

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1781308]The Philippine Government spent P1. 2-billion in advertising trying to convince foreigners that "It's More Fun in the Philippines" and reported that international tourists spent $12 billion visiting the Philippines last year. However, as usual Filipinos always find a way to kill the Golden Goose. The scam where airport security plant bullets in the luggage of unsuspecting travelers then offer them the choice of paying P30,000 extortion money on the spot for their freedom or refuse and pay P80,000 bail after a few nights in a Third World jail has gone viral on social media. The fact that one of their victims is an American Christian missionary and do-gooder unafraid of being martyred to prove his innocence is really causing the news to spread faster and further than it would have had they framed the average aging sex tourist on his way home with a bag full of dildos, dog collars and other perverted sexual knickknacks.

President Aquino is a shrewd politician. He realizes that while Filipinos are generally unsympathetic to the misfortune of foreign tourists, they would rather not be known as the country that persecutes Christian missionaries who refuse to cooperate in extortion attempts by security personnel supposedly there to protect the welfare of citizen and foreign travelers. In an uncharacteristic turn of events he has ordered an immediate investigation into the extortion of travelers at NAIA. Probably the latest kidnapping of foreigners and subsequent evasion of a Philippine naval blockade by local terrorists also added pressure on Malacaang to do something.

It certainly is not more fun in the Philippines for tourists in 2015, so the slogan "Visit the Philippines Again" in 2016 seems like dark twisted humor. Sex tourists are no strangers to extortion schemes like a sweet innocent Filipina planting crystal meth in their room after nice shag followed by a surprise visit from friendly Filipino policemen who seem to be more adept at homing in on the hidden narcotics than most drug canines. Sex tourists are also hardly surprised when they're frantically pumping away at Lucifer's cradle only to be interrupted by a quick knock, the opening of the door by the hotel manager, and the swift entry of friendly policemen who declare that the Filipina entertaining the foreigner is uncertain of her age. These tourists consider such misfortunes par for the course when hunting the gaping dragon in the Philippines.

What they don't expect is being accosted by security personnel at the airport for a P30,000 "poriner departure tax" after they expended their last peso on Gretchin's grabber in Angeles, Cebu, Malate, or Makati for the more well-heeled sex tourist. This surprise P30,000 exit tax may be enough for some mongers to consider Thailand a cheaper and safer alternative. The prospect of some Filipino security official grinning like Lolong the crocodile saying, "Visit the Philippines again!" after extorting P30,000 is enough to make already skittish aspiring visitors consider alternative tourist destinations.

Of course, regulars and entrenched expats will continue to monger on as they have in the past in spite of ever growing dangers. That, however, will not grow tourism or fill the ever expanding inventory of condos and hotel rooms built in anticipation of more foreign tourist dollars. OFWs may be in a poor position to pick up the slack as remittances have recently sagged in tandem with slowing economies abroad.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1781308]The Philippine Government spent P1. 2-billion in advertising trying to convince foreigners that "It's More Fun in the Philippines" and reported that international tourists spent $12 billion visiting the Philippines last year. However, as usual Filipinos always find a way to kill the Golden Goose. The scam where airport security plant bullets in the luggage of unsuspecting travelers then offer them the choice of paying P30,000 extortion money on the spot for their fre
Of course, regulars and entrenched expats will continue to monger on as they have in the past in spite of ever growing dangers. That, however, will not grow tourism or fill the ever expanding inventory of condos and hotel rooms built in anticipation of more foreign tourist dollars. OFWs may be in a poor position to pick up the slack as remittances have recently sagged in tandem with slowing economies abroad.[/QUOTE]It is very unfortunate to see how tourism and tourist handled in Philippines by the government.

Malaysia: Population 30 M / 2014 Tourist: 28.5 M.

Thailand: Population 67 M / 2014 Tourist: 23 M.

Philippines: Population: 99 M / 2014 Tourist: 5 M.

They have no clue of bringing tourist money into the country and host them.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1781574]It is very unfortunate to see how tourism and tourist handled in Philippines by the government.

Malaysia: Population 30 M / 2014 Tourist: 28.5 M.

Thailand: Population 67 M / 2014 Tourist: 23 M.

Philippines: Population: 99 M / 2014 Tourist: 5 M.

They have no clue of bringing tourist money into the country and host them.[/QUOTE]Interesting statistics, but I don't think the reasons for this country's almost total failure to attract foreign tourists has much to do with the government having no clue. The fact is that the country's lack of adequate infrastructure, whether in air transport, public transport, road transport, rail transport, IT infrastructure, the lack of reliable electricity and the general inefficiency in the delivery of most services deters tourism. Couple that with the ongoing, intermittent wars in the South, the petty thievery and bureaucratic corruption, and the travel warnings from North A,epicanthic and European governments, and the place doesn't have much to attract most tourists. The government surely is aware of all this and simply doesn't care much. The reason? Because most politicians are only assured of their four years in office, and this means they're only guaranteed a short time during which to steal as much as possible. Rectifying the country's major inadequacies however, is a long-term prospect and politicians here are not interested in the long term. They're focused on stealing as much as possible during a reasonably concentrated period. There's no vision here, and no commitment to public service; there's only a sea of endless venality.

The lack of foreign tourist arrivals parallels the general lack of foreign investment--the lowest in ASEAN--and for many of the same reasons. Those, coupled with the fact that the oligarchs who own the company don't want competition from more efficient, higher quality foreign firms almost ensures that this country will creep ever further toward the bottom of the ASEAN heap.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1781589]The lack of foreign tourist arrivals parallels the general lack of foreign investment--the lowest in ASEAN--and for many of the same reasons. Those, coupled with the fact that the oligarchs who own the company don't want competition from more efficient, higher quality foreign firms almost ensures that this country will creep ever further toward the bottom of the ASEAN heap.

GE.[/QUOTE]The lack of investment as GE points out was one reason the Asian Basketball tournament was awarded to China despite the Philippines thinking it was a shoe in to host the next event. Only this country would not see it lack of basic infrastructure to host a major tournament as an obstacle.

Add to this news on the bullet scam at NAIA, more travel advisories against visiting especially since the recent kidnappings in the south plus a host of other stories on blogs about scams etc, I am not surprised that tourism (which should be good source of income and employment) is not booming.

Add to all this what GE noted about the politicians / family dynasties you get the picture.

ASEAN integration is something that will be very difficult (and possibly unwelcome for many of the dynasties). As a result, the country will suffer the consequences for a long time until someone / something is done and I would think it needs to be drastic before the country can rise from its inevitable position at the bottom of the pile.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1781544]Like RK and WR and other residents here, I (unfortunately) use NAIA frequently as I have no alternative. My only recourse, as I see it, is to buy a new carry-on bag with no outside pockets, and as always to make sure the bag is locked.

I spent one night this week in Angeles, at ABC as always. I was talking to the owner of the hotel and he told me that business is down somewhat from last year. He attributes the decline to the growing disgust with the airport and the hassles of coping with Manila traffic. He thinks that foreigners are simply fed up and don't want to deal with the horrors of NAIA or the traffic. As a case in point, the distance between the Fairmont in Makati and Angeles is about 92 kms. Yesterday, the trip took approximately 90 minutes, leaving the hotel at about 11 AM. Today, leaving the hotel at 8 AM, we were just in time to catch the paralyzing traffic on EDSA, and the final few kilometers took more than an hour, making the trip about two and a half hours. Who needs the hassle?

GE.[/QUOTE]My carry on never has outside pockets as it is a hard shell bag but I am more vigilant now. Although since the expose I am sure there will not be another incident (but it won't stop other scams happening and / or being devised).

Am surprised it only took 90 minutes /2+ hours as I had heard from friends recently where it took more like 4-6 hours as EDSA was a mess (he was staying overnight in Manila so was lucky as he could have easily missed his flight).

I remember coming from Baguio by bus once (yes I do use them once and a blue moon and I had no choice) - and after around 7 hours we ended up in Cubao. To get to Pasay was gong to take around 2 hours due to Friday night traffic, so I got off and found a taxi that was quicker by an hour (the bus had to stop en route hence slower) but it was trip I have never forgotten!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1781308]The Philippine Government ..................................

In an uncharacteristic turn of events he has ordered an immediate investigation into the extortion of travelers at NAIA. Probably the latest kidnapping of foreigners and subsequent evasion of a Philippine naval blockade by local terrorists also added pressure on Malacaang to do something.

.............................. P30,000 "poriner departure tax" after they expended their last peso on Gretchin's grabber ........................................

.................[/QUOTE]Definitely a Gretchin Grabber, Report of Distinction. Mandatory reading folks.

On second reading of the other previous post, noted its Terminal 4 , an Outpost. Nice place for a smiley to try that stunt. No reports of it happening at T1 , 2 and 3 , it seems. Myself, I will avoid Manila airports until I can afford the P30,000 Departure Tax.

I couldn't have said it much better myself. You are spot on GE. I've been coming to the Phils for 5 years as we have operations in Manila and recently Cebu. It takes so much red tape and inefficient process to get up and running here (unless you are a large corporation and can bribe but we aren't) that it almost isn't worth it. If it wasn't for the eager to please inexpensive labor pool there would be little reason to set up business here. As for tourism, while many of the islands are beautiful and not as polluted as the cities they are a pain to get to compared to other destinations in Southeast Asia.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1781589]Interesting statistics, but I don't think the reasons for this country's almost total failure to attract foreign tourists has much to do with the government having no clue. The fact is that the country's lack of adequate infrastructure, whether in air transport, public transport, road transport, rail transport, IT infrastructure, the lack of reliable electricity and the general inefficiency in the delivery of most services deters tourism. Couple that with the ongoing, intermittent wars in the South, the petty thievery and bureaucratic corruption, and the travel warnings from North A,epicanthic and European governments, and the place doesn't have much to attract most tourists. The government surely is aware of all this and simply doesn't care much. The reason? Because most politicians are only assured of their four years in office, and this means they're only guaranteed a short time during which to steal as much as possible. Rectifying the country's major inadequacies however, is a long-term prospect and politicians here are not interested in the long term. They're focused on stealing as much as possible during a reasonably concentrated period. There's no vision here, and no commitment to public service; there's only a sea of endless venality.

The lack of foreign tourist arrivals parallels the general lack of foreign investment--the lowest in ASEAN--and for many of the same reasons. Those, coupled with the fact that the oligarchs who own the company don't want competition from more efficient, higher quality foreign firms almost ensures that this country will creep ever further toward the bottom of the ASEAN heap.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1781414]Maybe those guys are still young too, mentally I mean....[/QUOTE]I try to think positive: They have a higher tolerance for mental torture.

There are many intelligent, competent, mature thinking Filipinas, but I think all of us have encountered the following scenario in the Philippines: 1) Meet hot, irresistible Pinay for first time. 2) Persuade hot, irresistible Pinay to have sex with words or whatever works. 3) The moment the volcano erupts, exciting new puki transforms instantly into boring not-new puki (puki is the Tagalog word for penis heaven). 4) Hornyfog clears in seconds and there's a sweaty Pinay lying there and no idea what to with her.

Wooly's practical tips to make the torture more bearable:

- Like cold drink after sweaty sex, and maybe some fresh fruit? "Honey, would you like to bring us some?

- going to take a shower anyway, might as well have her lather, rinse, dry, and deodorize me.

- Point her at the TV while getting some work or reading done. Depending on her intellectual pursuits, try in descending order Pinoy Big Brother, music video channel, Showtime / Eat Bulaga, or cartoons.

- Set her up on your laptop to check her FB and other sites. Even better if you have a logger installed, but either way she'll be busy a while. If you want to risk conversation, have her sit on your lap while checking her FB and ask her about her hot friends, cousins, etc. 3-somes? Open-minded to introducing you? Make mental notes in any case.

- Sometimes, though, you just got to exchange entire sentences with her. Stuck in a taxi, eating together, waiting for checkout, whatever. The snarky advice is to say "avoid this", but what to do if it's too late and there you are stuck with her? I personally start asking questions so simple that any girl can answer but may be useful to me in the future. Who was the prettiest girl (or biggest boobs, or whatever you like) of your classmates, besides you of course? (added for bola-bola, Tagalog word for flattery). (Make mental notes to try contacting in FB). So you have sisters? Cousins? Are they older or younger? Can I see their pictures? (Mental notes about details). What did you like the most that we did in bed? (To improve technique with her or in general). You get the idea. None of this is exciting, but it's possible to get useful info while stuck. A few I've given well-needed classes on every available form of birth control. They've been appreciative and often opened up a lot more about Pinay life they'd never otherwise admit.

Sorry to ramble. Good luck to all.

I really feel for you guys who live in the phils or are stuck there for periods of time, usually in the financial sector based in Manila specifically Makati. Its a totally different level of concern for all issues than those of us who travel there for strictly pleasure. The airport issue is of particular concern here lately. For those that don't know, there is one giant dysfunctional airfield surrounded by 4 terminals none of which have any formal way of connecting passengers to each other. Its a total free for all.

The bullet scam though widely discuseed here seems to be a scam which has run its course. There are tens of thousands of passengers who pass through the 3 main terminals of NAIA. I am most familiar lately with terminal 2 and 3 lately although I have been through them all over the years.

Terminal 1 was the old international airport and Terminal 2 is and was the exclusive Philipinnes Air airport. Terminal 3 is the new International Airport Plus the new Cebu Pacific Terminal and even has some Phil Air flights. Terminal 4 is the old what they called the Domestic Airport, its a very primitive operation. Its likely deteriorated even further since my last use of it 5 or 6 years ago. Since its purely a domestic airport, there are none of the international regulations associated with its operation.

Was the bullet scam isolated to this decrepit increasingly insignifigant barely used airport? The foriegner detained was in terminal 4. Its infinitesimally unlikely any potential first time or return monger will use Terminal 4 to begin with.

Of course there are random acts of extortion. All should be warned against that and told to brush them off. Native Filipinos are much more in danger of this than tourists.

The main takeaway is to be vigilant with your bags and that the locals, if left unchecked as in terminal 4 can take it to the extreme.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1781664]The lack of investment as GE points out was one reason the Asian Basketball tournament was awarded to China despite the Philippines thinking it was a shoe in to host the next event. Only this country would not see it lack of basic infrastructure to host a major tournament as an obstacle.

ASEAN integration is something that will be very difficult (and possibly unwelcome for many of the dynasties). As a result, the country will suffer the consequences for a long time until someone / something is done and I would think it needs to be drastic before the country can rise from its inevitable position at the bottom of the pile.[/QUOTE]I had forgotten to mention, now that WR has raised the topic of ASEAN integration, the indisputable fact that this country produces almost nothing needed or even wanted by the rest of the world, except bananas and some other fruits. There's virtually no large home-grown manufacturing, not even car assembly plants. There's no large, viable research sector, little in the way of international patents stemming from the country, and therefore little in the way of innovation. Much of the industry here pertains to assembling "stuff" made elsewhere and then transshipped out of here to onward destinations, largely in the West. There is a local cinema industry, but its products are limited to the local markets, and there's a vibrant music scene, but it's dependent on "imported" Western music.

I notice that the current president, contended yesterday or the day before that Filipinos seeking to leave the country do so because they want to see other places, and not because there's so little opportunity for them here. This proves that he's actually a stupid as he appears or is perhaps just delusional. OFWs, as has been well chronicled, live emotionally shattering lives, and leave--not because they want to--but because they chose to suffer the separation anxieties and often indignities as a means of supporting their families. Without the jobs provided by other countries, and the foreign exchange that "remittances" bring to the country, the economy would likely collapse.

GE.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1781775]Terminal 4 is the old what they called the Domestic Airport, its a very primitive operation. Its likely deteriorated even further since my last use of it 5 or 6 years ago. Since its purely a domestic airport, there are none of the international regulations associated with its operation.
[/QUOTE]About a year an half ago I flew internationally on AirAsia. I arrived at terminal 3, where I caught the same flight previously, couldn't find my flight, and after asking several people, learnt it was departing from terminal 4, the terminal of AirAsia's domestic flights. I mention this so your reader doesn't believe terminal 4 is exclusively domestic; it's the Philippines after all. Yes, terminal 4 is old and decrepit.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1781574]It is very unfortunate to see how tourism and tourist handled in Philippines by the government.

Philippines: Population: 99 M / 2014 Tourist: 5 M.

[/QUOTE]This brings tears to my eyes. Tears of hapenis that is. For a fella to come here the pay off is even better than elsewhere. No argument from me that the country would do better by attracting more tourists, but for purely selfish reasons this low figure doesn't bother me at all. Paradise is one that's unspoilt.

It would be interesting to find a breakdown by nationality of the tourists in the region. I suspect mainland Asia countries benefit because of the ease of overland travel (certainly better infrastructure), the desire of some tourists to see a several countries rather than one, and also many long-term foreign residents doing their visa runs. Moreover, the growth of tourism in the region is largely due to mainland Chinese holiday makers. Lovely people the Chinese, but I for one prefer to avoid any horde that overruns a place.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1781754]I try to think positive: They have a higher tolerance for mental torture.

- Point her at the TV while getting some work or reading done. Depending on her intellectual pursuits, try in descending order Pinoy Big Brother, music video channel, Showtime / Eat Bulaga, or cartoons.

[/QUOTE]I usually introduce them to US & UK telly programmes and films to watch together. Because the dialogue can go a bit fast and some accents are tougher for them to understand I download those that include the closed captioning or I get the srt file for English subtitles.

These are series I've found they like a lot.
[quote]
Luther.
Peep Show.
Hannibal.
Banshee.
Mr Robot.
Vikings.
Walking Dead.
Orphan Black.

Film:
What About Bob? - every girl who has seen it loves this movie. I think I've now watched it a few hundred times. Physical comedy works better that satire, parody, and irony.
The Notebook. This must be the most loved movie here, but really I can't watch it too often because it's saccharine tripe.
Three Idiots. An Indian movie that's well liked.
Mesrine. Arty farty French film doesn't work, but action flicks with Vince Cassel are good.
The Pusher trilogy.
Any zombie movie.
Documentaries about rock bands.
[/quote]

If you're meeting girls aged 18-25 many of them have never seen the classics, like [I]The Godfather[/I], [I]The French Connection[/I] and [I]Rocky[/I]. The Nora Ephron rom-coms such as [I]When Harry Met Sally[/I] are unknown but well liked.

If you download here plan ahead because it will take many more hours.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1781754]- Sometimes, though, you just got to exchange entire sentences with her. Stuck in a taxi, eating together, waiting for checkout, whatever. The snarky advice is to say "avoid this", but what to do if it's too late and there you are stuck with her? I personally start asking questions so simple that any girl can answer but may be useful to me in the future. Who was the prettiest girl (or biggest boobs, or whatever you like) of your classmates, besides you of course? (added for bola-bola, Tagalog word for flattery). (Make mental notes to try contacting in FB). So you have sisters? Cousins? Are they older or younger? Can I see their pictures? (Mental notes about details). What did you like the most that we did in bed? (To improve technique with her or in general). You get the idea. None of this is exciting, but it's possible to get useful info while stuck. A few I've given well-needed classes on every available form of birth control. They've been appreciative and often opened up a lot more about Pinay life they'd never otherwise admit.[/QUOTE]All good advice.

I am proud to claim this as the best of the Spanish heritage.

If WWII and the destruction it rained on the PI did not force change not even Pol Pot will shake this place, it is stuck in the 18th century I am afraid.

So much for the Yanks, now that I think of.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1781664]The lack of investment as GE points out was one reason the Asian Basketball tournament was awarded to China despite the Philippines thinking it was a shoe in to host the next event. Only this country would not see it lack of basic infrastructure to host a major tournament as an obstacle.

Add to this news on the bullet scam at NAIA, more travel advisories against visiting especially since the recent kidnappings in the south plus a host of other stories on blogs about scams etc, I am not surprised that tourism (which should be good source of income and employment) is not booming.

Add to all this what GE noted about the politicians / family dynasties you get the picture.

ASEAN integration is something that will be very difficult (and possibly unwelcome for many of the dynasties). As a result, the country will suffer the consequences for a long time until someone / something is done and I would think it needs to be drastic before the country can rise from its inevitable position at the bottom of the pile.[/QUOTE]

Isn't T4 considered the airports intl LCC terminal? Have past it on numerous occations and don't think I ever will feel the urge to go there. It looks not very inviting and from what I read here I have been right all along. So I continue my biz from mostly T3 without worry to much about beeing scammed. What should worry people more and airlines too are the sloppy securitychecks. Not that I am traveller with an evil mind but my last departure eve 29 of Sept I walked through security with my iphone in my pocket and belt still on. The x ray beeped but the officer just waived me through. In my carry on I did have a 0. 5 l btl of water and ipad (I forgot the btl of water) and no one raised an eyebrow when my bag popped out from the machine. I normaly not forget this as I prep myself long time before I am even close to security check. Maybe a state of hornyfog.

An interesting thread. I have not been back for a couple of years but was planning to come last March. Instead my daughter convinced me to meet her in Vietnam and travel with her for a month there. It was not my preferred destination, but she and her sibling bought me return tickets as a birthday present. We traveled by planes, trains, buses, and automobile from Hanoi to Saigon and into Cambodia. One of my main reasons for going to the Philippines has been that almost everyone is able to communicate in English and of course the plentiful supply of companionship.

The first couple of nights in Vietnam we stayed in a high end hotel and my fears of lack of service in English were magnified. We went to the tour desk and could not book a simple cruise due to their inability to speak English despite almost everyone at the front desk trying to add their idea of what we were looking for. We finally went to where the back packers congregate and booked the trip in minutes. From there on my daughter used trip adviser to book our hotels. She and I have different standards. To her more than $20.00 to $30.00 a night is a waste of money. She looked at reviews within a range of her price points and booked. If we didn't like it we only stayed a night, if we liked it, we extended. Her price point is where the backpackers stay. Almost all the hotel staff in these areas speak English and can help you with simple things like a SIM card that can become complicated if you wish to use an approved provider. The hotels were nicer than some of the three to four star hotels I have stayed at in the Philippines and all had room safes.

When we traveled what stuck me was the number of new highways being built, and older highways being repaired and twinned and the money being spent on infrastructure. Compare that to each island having it's own issues and either not having the money, will, or desire to upgrade they are going to fall further and further behind faster and faster. I am planning to come back towards the end of October but everything I have been reading here is convincing me to take a side trip to Vietnam. Unless it is pointed out to you. Which it sometimes was, you would not know you are in a communist country. Custom made quality suits in twenty four hours for $125.00 in some communities.

If there was a supply of ladies there as there is in the Philippines I would go directly there. Sadly DIA ladies are very specific on their preferences. Oldies like me are seldom responded to. LOL I managed to sneak out for one blow job in a MP but was quoted an outrageous amount for a BBBJ. I paid and it was average.

We had one dealing with a police officer. Helpful, and brief.

The current Philippine stories of plane delays, traffic, and now luggage tampering having me seriously questioning if it is worth the risk to come back at the end of October. Then again LOL. I have a lady I have seen on each trip for the last five trips who has a desire to add to her bucket list of where she can have sex. I have an affliction for thirty to forty year olds with degrees and good jobs who can carry on a conversation as I like longer term visits. Each to their own. But they are an untapped mine. There are many who are single, slim, tight, attractive, will screw you silly at the drop of a hat, go to a museum with you and explain their history, and drop their pants again as soon as they are back in the room. That is worth taking a chance on planted bullets for a couple weeks in Phils for me this month.

Nice post. I've had some fantastic mileage with an educated 30+ gal. I even saved money. She gave me Internet access, had her maid cook me breakfast after she had left for work, and her driver take me to the airport. I bought her some really nice lingerie, which she happily modeled for me. Like many of my favorites, she found her match in the developed world. Not sure how she has adjusted to no maid, no driver.

Unlike some of my past flames, I'm pretty sure the guy did well.

As for the my ancient past Davao girl, I recently found her on FB. SHe was a scammer / beggar, but had the most beautiful eyes. Loved those long eyelashes. I had to meet the whole extended family, but f'd her on the first date. Short petite girls usually don't look good after gaining weight and this gal is absolutely ghastly now. I always felt sorry for the guy who ended up with her, but he seems happy and they have a cute kid. Life is strange.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1781984] SNIP

Then again LOL. I have a lady I have seen on each trip for the last five trips who has a desire to add to her bucket list of where she can have sex. I have an affliction for thirty to forty year olds with degrees and good jobs who can carry on a conversation as I like longer term visits. Each to their own. But they are an untapped mine. There are many who are single, slim, tight, attractive, will screw you silly at the drop of a hat, go to a museum with you and explain their history, and drop their pants again as soon as they are back in the room. That is worth taking a chance on planted bullets for a couple weeks in Phils for me this month.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skogis;1781940]Isn't T4 considered the airports intl LCC terminal? Have past it on numerous occations and don't think I ever will feel the urge to go there. It looks not very inviting and from what I read here I have been right all along. So I continue my biz from mostly T3 without worry to much about beeing scammed. What should worry people more and airlines too are the sloppy securitychecks. Not that I am traveller with an evil mind but my last departure eve 29 of Sept I walked through security with my iphone in my pocket and belt still on. The x ray beeped but the officer just waived me through. In my carry on I did have a 0. 5 l btl of water and ipad (I forgot the btl of water) and no one raised an eyebrow when my bag popped out from the machine. I normaly not forget this as I prep myself long time before I am even close to security check. Maybe a state of hornyfog.[/QUOTE]In August, I flew from Davao to MNL with Air Asia. Plane kept going until came to some small building. I never been at Terminal 4 before and it was obvious that I was in a 3rd world country with a 4th Class airport. Especially getting a taxi getting there was another experience since taxi drivers prefer other terminals apparently.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1781940]Isn't T4 considered the airports intl LCC terminal? Have past it on numerous occations and don't think I ever will feel the urge to go there. It looks not very inviting and from what I read here I have been right all along. So I continue my biz from mostly T3 without worry to much about beeing scammed. [/QUOTE]There is alot of hysteria here with regard to this report of the bullet scam at Terminal 4.

Lets take it in perspective.

Its terminal 4. I haven't used terminal 4 in 7 or 8 years. I used to use it to take Asian Spirit to fly to Samar. Once they built terminal 3 it sucked the majority of the life out of Terminal 4. There are ZERO international flights out of T4, thus its a purely pinoy airport with none of the scrutiny of an international airport and thus the 'single bullet" scam.

Was the scam used at Terminal 1, 2 or 3? They are very busy international airports I'm not saying there arent scammers there but lets look at this in a proper perspective. I'm not defending the Phils system as its corrupt as hell but if they start f*cking with international passengers at the main 3 airports where 98%+ of us foriegners end up using it will be a mess.

Be vigilant with your bags whenever you travel internationally for sure but keep the paranoia in perspective.

I flew out of T3 on Saturday. There were long lines outside for the baggage scanner. As stated before I always use the porters to avoid these lines and they use a separate short or no line scanner. What was funny was that NO one was standing within 10 feet of the scanner and the security scanner to the gates. I guess no security people want to be near the bags now.

Thanks to Cebu Pacific I've finally had the opportunity to witness what happens when one of the world's worst airlines meets one of the world's worst airports. The magnitude of the sheer incompetence transcends the pathetic and enters the realm of surrealism thus creating a sort of aviation theater of the absurd.

Yesterday, I had a Cebu Pacific ticket for my normal Manila-Davao flight, and arrived at the gate about 15 minutes to flight time. Now I know from bitter experience that for any airline using the wretched airport, schedules are at best optimistic estimates. A more accurate schedule would likely say something like: "maybe sometime today," instead of a specific time. Yesterday, as is typical of a Saturday, thousands of people milled around the various gates, as there's little seating. Nonetheless, I braved the crowds, got to the desk and realized that there was no sign for my flight. In fact no indication that there would even be a flight, and there was no aircraft parked at the gate.

I know that Cebu Pacific, which is the Edsel of aviation management, has outsourced its gate management responsibilities to some lackluster consultant company that hires young, untrained people to face the wrath of irate passengers. Their level of competence, never high to begin with, evaporated when I asked where the plane was, and when it might depart. The bottom line was that no one had any clue. Finally, one agent told me that the plane that was to have been utilized for the flight had been pulled off to service another route due to a sudden "emergency. " Of course this information wasn't shared with the general public. The same agent told me that, though there was no official word, the delay would probably be about two hours. Finally, I had the sense to check the official web site and realized that the flight was at least 4 hours delayed. Again information not shared with the 400 or so passengers waiting sheeplike for someone to tell them what to do. For me, this was an unusually stark sign of the total disdain that CP feels for its hapless passengers.

Once I realized that any hope of catching the flight would require waiting at least another four hours, I demanded, and received, a rebooking for the next day and simply left the airport. I've no idea when or even if my original flight left yesterday. Again, prior to my leaving, passengers were told there would be a two hour delay, which of course the gate agents knew to be a lie.

Today, while waiting for my rebooked flight, I noticed several flight crews, from many different flights, approaching the desk asking for information on where their planes were as the actual crews had no clue. These included 2 pilots who had no gate information, came this had no idea where to find their planes. I also had a chance to speak with the highly experienced captain on my flight today, who until this year was a Senior Captain with EtiHad. A real airline. He told me, shaking his head sadly, that yesterday he had to wait in the cockpit for four ours before he could get takeoff clearance. He said he only had another year until retirement and figured he could tough it out for that long.

At best, Cebu Pacific has never ranked higher than mediocre. This month however, its performance has declined dramatically. I'm going to try as hard as I can to avoid the airline in the future and I'll go back to PAL.

Had I written this yesterday, at the height of my anger, this would have been a more contemptuous rant. Now, it's merely a sharing of the resignation I feel, and the reconfirmation that nothing works well for long here.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1782803]Thanks to Cebu Pacific I've finally had the opportunity to witness what happens when one of the world's worst airlines meets one of the world's worst airports. The magnitude of the sheer incompetence transcends the pathetic and enters the realm of surrealism thus creating a sort of aviation theater of the absurd.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE,

I was speaking to one of the ladies who works for Cebu Pac and handles the gates in Cebu.

She said there were many unhappy passengers for reasons you stated but the issue from Cebu was NAIA would not the planes take off so they had to wait. Limited information was give to her either and so she could not impart much to the passengers.

She said the main reasons for delays (regardless of day / month / year) is the sub standard airport ad that the only way t try and get a on time departure is to leave early. But this does not guarantee on time arrival as you can still circle NAIA for 30 minutes waiting for a slot.

I have left early on a EK flight arrived (in the air that is) 20 minutes early and still landed very late all because if NAIA. My most recent flight from Cebu arrived on time but I took an early morning one.

I have also seen and spoken with pilots who were a tad annoyed the plane had moved or gate had changed without hem being told.

Am never sure where blame is to be apportioned but the politicians certainly do. They want an inquiry but then the lack of investment in an every busy airport is one of the reason.

Yes the communication sucks and for sure the girls (who agency employed not airline employed) are poorly trained. My fried had 10 day training and thrown I the deep end, but like many things with air travel one huge reason is NAIA.

PAL I have never used since I was royally messed around o 2 consecutive flights and if NIAA won't let Cebu Pac take off the same applies to all airline I would think.

As you have said before, the whole airport is a mess and the sector needs investment and energy the country does not have mainly as so many want to dip their hands into the pot. If the PAL idea for a new airport had been approved, if the someone would build high speed train links etc. To many 'ifs' IMHO and no political will to resolve. Now elections are looming and no one will do anything except make sure they can be re elected so to continue the gravy train.

I will continue to fly Cebu Pac but I am always taking morning flight very early where I have found less chance of issues. You are in Davao so matter maybe different and I understand that.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1782682]I flew out of T3 on Saturday. There were long lines outside for the baggage scanner. As stated before I always use the porters to avoid these lines and they use a separate short or no line scanner. What was funny was that NO one was standing within 10 feet of the scanner and the security scanner to the gates. I guess no security people want to be near the bags now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1782803]Thanks to Cebu Pacific I've finally had the opportunity to witness what happens when one of the world's worst airlines meets one of the world's worst airports. The magnitude of the sheer incompetence transcends the pathetic and enters the realm of surrealism thus creating a sort of aviation theater of the absurd.[/QUOTE]The miserable Philippine economy demonstrates: The entire work ethic is based on avoiding personal blame rather than accomplishing anything for the customer or organization. Those who want to accomplish something leave. There are echoes of this even among OFWs and emigrants.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1782803]Thanks to Cebu Pacific I've finally had the opportunity to witness what happens when one of the world's worst airlines meets one of the world's worst airports. The magnitude of the sheer incompetence transcends the pathetic and enters the realm of surrealism thus creating a sort of aviation theater of the absurd.

GE.[/QUOTE]I am sorry about your bad experience. It is unfortunate how Cebu Pacific customer service is bad. My experience with AirAsia is much better even flies to Terminal 4. What is your opinion of AirAsia?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1782803]Thanks to Cebu Pacific I've finally had the opportunity to witness what happens when one of the world's worst airlines meets one of the world's worst airports. The magnitude of the sheer incompetence transcends the pathetic and enters the realm of surrealism thus creating a sort of aviation theater of the absurd.[/QUOTE]Think I've been very lucky with Cebu Pacific, but all of my flights have been international to T3. Air Asia is generally the best low cost carrier in Asia, but even they have their moments of ineptitude. Any let's not forget the LCCs in Europe aren't actually much better, Ryanair are despicable in virtually every way.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1782851]The miserable Philippine economy demonstrates: The entire work ethic is based on avoiding personal blame rather than accomplishing anything for the customer or organization. Those who want to accomplish something leave. There are echoes of this even among OFWs and emigrants.[/QUOTE]In my case I think thru orders or just common sense they are staying a full arms length away from any bags. I believe the bullet scam was only done by a few individuals.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1782903]I am sorry about your bad experience. It is unfortunate how Cebu Pacific customer service is bad. My experience with AirAsia is much better even flies to Terminal 4. What is your opinion of AirAsia?[/QUOTE]Air Asia internationally is good and I use a lot but internally I don't as for me it is always late. Seems unable to meet the standards of the international routes IMHO. Plus T4 is a real dog of a terminal. I used to fly SeaAir from T4 but I really avoid if I can.

As for Cebu Pac. Am also told the new system is casing lots of grief. Too many bugs with formation to counter staff being consistently worn (eg they are informed a plane is 2 hrs late and the it suddenly arrives) and passengers not being fed on tome or poor quality (after 3+ hrs delays Cebu ac feed you). Food that is ordered arrives late also which just fuels emotions. This is the managers fault for not thinking ahead and planning properly.

But all in all I still prefer Cebu Pac to PAL (given really bad experiences with PAL that I have yet to forget). As I said I try to fly very early to avoid NAIA issues and this most of the times helps me stay relaxed.

But the issues of NAIA won't go away anytime soon and will likely get worse as some carriers crease flights to the country (Emirates for example). So don't expect changes and as it is election year soon those in power won't care for anything but getting re elected.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1783084]In my case I think thru orders or just common sense they are staying a full arms length away from any bags. I believe the bullet scam was only done by a few individuals.[/QUOTE]While walking to final security in Terminal 3 yesterday, some woman in a blue uniform told me she would have to take my bag to weigh it. I ignored her, and when she caught up to me I refused to give her the bag. She then asked if she could see my boarding pass, which I showed to her. I then took back the boarding pass and walked away' and my hands never left my bag.

GE.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1783134]Air Asia internationally is good and I use a lot but internally I don't as for me it is always late. Seems unable to meet the standards of the international routes IMHO. Plus T4 is a real dog of a terminal. I used to fly SeaAir from T4 but I really avoid if I can.
[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, most of the airlines are plagued with different problems. PAL customer service is like loophole. Once you get in you can not get out. Maybe I am expecting to much since I am so used to of (mostly) honest customer service in USA.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1783134]Air Asia internationally is good and I use a lot but internally I don't as for me it is always late. Seems unable to meet the standards of the international routes IMHO. Plus T4 is a real dog of a terminal. I used to fly SeaAir from T4 but I really avoid if I can.

As for Cebu Pac. Am also told the new system is casing lots of grief. Too many bugs with formation to counter staff being consistently worn (eg they are informed a plane is 2 hrs late and the it suddenly arrives) and passengers not being fed on tome or poor quality (after 3+ hrs delays Cebu ac feed you). Food that is ordered arrives late also which just fuels emotions. This is the managers fault for not thinking ahead and planning properly.

But all in all I still prefer Cebu Pac to PAL (given really bad experiences with PAL that I have yet to forget). As I said I try to fly very early to avoid NAIA issues and this most of the times helps me stay relaxed.

But the issues of NAIA won't go away anytime soon and will likely get worse as some carriers crease flights to the country (Emirates for example). So don't expect changes and as it is election year soon those in power won't care for anything but getting re elected.[/QUOTE]There is a total inability to operate anything efficiently. Terminal 4 is awful. The "new" Terminal 3 is very crowded check-in side, roof leaks in heavy rain air side, travel scalators not functioning and toilet facilities air side poor. Terminal 2 International part (Philippine Airlines) is very very overcrowded (especially in evenings) with very few totally inadequate dirty, smelly toilets. Amazing: there is no departure board in that terminal. First time I have been in an international terminal anywhere with no departure board giving flight status. The chaos mentioned with Cebu Pacific is to be expected. Expect the same with aircraft servicing and crew training. On entering Manila airport have zero expectations, do not leave your bags out of eye view at security and try and SEAL your check in bags (zippers are easily opened). Watch everything around you as it is well publicized in the Philippine press that scamming is big business in Manila airport.

Yes, the country is falling into the abyss. Did Terminal 1 get it's air con back. Thank God I haven't had to enter that place lately. And the people movers in Terminal 3? I've never seen them work before. CP is apparently reverting to what it used to be and Philippine Airlines should be an embarrassment to the country. But they don't get embarrassed. They pull the pinoy pride thing and tell us we're arrogant. Few of us really are. We just expect things to work like the 2 ATMs down the street from where I live. This is the 2nd time in a week when they've both been "Temporarily Out of Service. " Now if I have to grab some cash, I have to travel 1 km and maybe, just maybe, that one will work.

What can these people possibly be so proud of?

From the time you enter the country in Terminal 1 you're wondering if you're in the 21st century. Then you have the army of maggots trying to screw you in any way possible. Then there's the traffic getting to where you want to go. Who ever heard of a city with 20 million people and just one major runway at its airport? Been coming here nearly 10 years now and living her for two. Maybe it's time to start looking.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1783710]Yes, the country is falling into the abyss. Did Terminal 1 get it's air con back. Thank God I haven't had to enter that place lately. And the people movers in Terminal 3? I've never seen them work before. CP is apparently reverting to what it used to be and Philippine Airlines should be an embarrassment to the country. But they don't get embarrassed. They pull the pinoy pride thing and tell us we're arrogant. Few of us really are. We just expect things to work like the 2 ATMs down the street from where I live. This is the 2nd time in a week when they've both been "Temporarily Out of Service. " Now if I have to grab some cash, I have to travel 1 km and maybe, just maybe, that one will work.

What can these people possibly be so proud of?

From the time you enter the country in Terminal 1 you're wondering if you're in the 21st century. Then you have the army of maggots trying to screw you in any way possible. Then there's the traffic getting to where you want to go. Who ever heard of a city with 20 million people and just one major runway at its airport? Been coming here nearly 10 years now and living her for two. Maybe it's time to start looking.[/QUOTE]As long as an apology comes their way, The Natives aren't complaining much.

Whats' your beef? LOL.

When there was a mini flood and for half a day the road was not usable for passengers, all the NAIA crew had to do was to say "bear with us".

When a guy fell into a hole and injured himself, the NAIA chief said "93.5% work is complete, once it 100% complete, there will no such mishap.

And locals are happy.

A propos of this whole recent discussion, I'm sitting here sweltering with 5-600 others, in an un-airconditioned terminal in Davao. The plane to Manila has been here for over an hour, but we can't board because of "air traffic congestion in Manila. " So, it will have taken me about the same time today to get from Davao to Manila as it would to fly from New York to London, both cities with real airports and working ground equipment. I guess the old joke is ever more true: the only reason the Philippines remains a third world country is because there's no fourth world category".

GE.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1783710]What can these people possibly be so proud of?

From the time you enter the country in Terminal 1 you're wondering if you're in the 21st century. Then you have the army of maggots trying to screw you in any way possible. Then there's the traffic getting to where you want to go. Who ever heard of a city with 20 million people and just one major runway at its airport? Been coming here nearly 10 years now and living her for two. Maybe it's time to start looking.[/QUOTE]Based on your meager retirement there ain't no other place. Perhaps you need to deal with the situation and stop complaining, otherwise you might be tempted to do a swan dive out your balcony.

Can we move on to another subject this thread is become a NAIA forum, we all know that NAIA is the worst international airport in the world thank the Philippines government it will not change that any time soon.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1784420]Can we move on to another subject this thread is become a NAIA forum, we all know that NAIA is the worst international airport in the world thank the Philippines government it will not change that any time soon.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Can any Philippines vets let me know if I need to worry about the Cebu airport and caticlan airport or are these much different than manila? Also I read somewhere that the baggage weight limit to caticlan (Boracay) was increased from 10 kilos to 20 kilos. Can anyone confirm this? My flights would be on Cebu Pacific, are they generally good going to / from Cebu? I am not planning any tight connections, just want to know if this experience will be better than going through manila.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hutzesq;1784427]Can any Philippines vets let me know if I need to worry about the Cebu airport and caticlan airport or are these much different than manila? Also I read somewhere that the baggage weight limit to caticlan (Boracay) was increased from 10 kilos to 20 kilos. Can anyone confirm this? My flights would be on Cebu Pacific, are they generally good going to / from Cebu? I am not planning any tight connections, just want to know if this experience will be better than going through manila. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Cebu beeing the country's second largest airport and extremely lot smaller than Naia is the first difference. Going from Cebu to another domestic destination would probably be less hazzle as the airspace and airport would not be so conguested as Naia's. Catlican airport differ again greatly from the two mentioned airports as it is a very small airport (can only take down STOL aircraft, mostly props. Only daylight landings and it is very exposed to weather (windy conditions, heavy rains etc etv). Flight easily get cancelled to and from Catlican. To be on the safer side choose Kalibo as they can handle bigger jets, also nighttime. Most things in this world will be better than go through Naia from any reasons. You can check in luggage up to 20 kg. Only Cebu Pacific and Phil Air serve Catlican from Cebu and Manila.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1784420]Can we move on to another subject this thread is become a NAIA forum, we all know that NAIA is the worst international airport in the world thank the Philippines government it will not change that any time soon.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Another self appointed moderator?

The poster was fairly polite, "can we move on." It sounds like a reasonable request.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1784558]Another self appointed moderator?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1784558]Another self appointed moderator?[/QUOTE]Man, look in the mirror buddy. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Hey all,

Just a question to anyone who's been to both Subic and Puerto Galera. I been to Subic a few times and loved it. We are planning on a trip to Puerto Galera and just want to know if the nightlife bar scene in Puerto Galera is comparable to Subic? Thanks, FB.

This could be misconstrued as a patriarchal, racist comment. Just saying.

Maybe we need more moderators.

[QUOTE=Random99;1784945]Man, look in the mirror buddy. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.[/QUOTE](yes this was a joke after so many complains of racism in the UAE forum).

This was in the Philstar today. Many have spoken about the need for insurance especially if you live in he country. This seems to agree (maybe). The top country at the top of the list also surprised me BTW.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/10/10/1509014/philippines-among-worst-places-die-study[/URL]

[QUOTE=FluffyBud;1785013]Hey all,

Just a question to anyone who's been to both Subic and Puerto Galera. I been to Subic a few times and loved it. We are planning on a trip to Puerto Galera and just want to know if the nightlife bar scene in Puerto Galera is comparable to Subic? Thanks, FB.[/QUOTE]I have been to both and think that Subic (Barrio Barretto's) nightlife is much better: more bars, more choice, and better prices. However, the setting (beach) is much nicer in Puerto Galera.

[QUOTE=JPF;1785214]I have been to both and think that Subic (Barrio Barretto's) nightlife is much better: more bars, more choice, and better prices. However, the setting (beach) is much nicer in Puerto Galera.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Also Puerto Galera is only accessible using boats which some consider unsafe. Subic is accessed easily by buses. If one does not like Subic -just take a short bus ride back to Angeles City.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1784420]Can we move on to another subject this thread is become a NAIA forum, we all know that NAIA is the worst international airport in the world thank the Philippines[/QUOTE]You forgot to add that A380's can't land there.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1785455]Of course the big question is, now I know, do I see her again? Sadly I suspect not.[/QUOTE]I prefer one who frankly tells me she has a BF / husband or kids or sick carabao or whatever, but even when they lie blatantly there's no need to delete from your "just for fun" backup list. Just keep them away from any information or posessions that they shouldn't have access to.

Nice to see some fresh air here. If she's willing to desperately ask for handouts via email or sms, she probably willing to give it up. No reason to over react.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1785555]I prefer one who frankly tells me she has a BF / husband or kids or sick carabao or whatever, but even when they lie blatantly there's no need to delete from your "just for fun" backup list. Just keep them away from any information or posessions that they shouldn't have access to.[/QUOTE]

One of my regulars says she needs money to send her two kids back to school. She has recently moved to another part of Angeles and has to send her kids to another elementary school. She claims she needs 1825 PhP plus another 850 PhP for two uniforms. Could this be true? I have googled a bit and it seems to me that the public elementary schools are free (except maybe for the uniforms).

She says 'have problem trasper'. I don't know what the heck she means with 'trasper'. Maybe (money) transfer? Or transport?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1785840]One of my regulars says she needs money to send her two kids back to school. She has recently moved to another part of Angeles and has to send her kids to another elementary school. She claims she needs 1825 PhP plus another 850 PhP for two uniforms. Could this be true? I have googled a bit and it seems to me that the public elementary schools are free (except maybe for the uniforms).

She says 'have problem trasper'. I don't know what the heck she means with 'trasper'. Maybe (money) transfer? Or transport?[/QUOTE]Yes, public education is free, but there are other non-tuition fees. The student must provide his / her supplies, 'baon' (food), uniform, etc. Then there are other fees such as PTA, which though not mandatory, are pushed on the family - see [URL]http://www.deped.gov.ph/press-releases/deped-reiterates-%E2%80%9Cno-collection-policy%E2%80%9D-public-schools[/URL].

BTW, by gov't order school uniforms are not mandatory, but there are guidelines, [URL]http://www.deped.gov.ph/orders/do-46-s-2008.[/URL] It may be cheaper to buy a uniform than to have a few sets of school-appropriate clothes. For schools that have a recommended uniform here there's social pressure to conform.

I suspect 'trasper' is her attempt at 'transportation fare'; ask her is she means 'pamasahe', which is 'fare'.

I recently alloted P750 for a single uniform for a college student of a parochial school. So P750 for two uni for elementary school sounds right. My student was bemused that I wanted her to come dressed in the uni. And she's right, it's not at all sexy compared with her street wear. I was only ensuring that the funds had been spent as agreed.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1785840]One of my regulars says she needs money to send her two kids back to school. She has recently moved to another part of Angeles and has to send her kids to another elementary school. She claims she needs 1825 PhP plus another 850 PhP for two uniforms. Could this be true? I have googled a bit and it seems to me that the public elementary schools are free (except maybe for the uniforms).

She says 'have problem trasper'. I don't know what the heck she means with 'trasper'. Maybe (money) transfer? Or transport?[/QUOTE]

You may have noticed that the letters p and f are interchangeable in filipino languages. Also, there are no doubled consonants. So transfer becomes trasper.

I had a girl coming to visit by ferry. Because there is more than one line, docking in different places, I asked for the name of the ferry, and told her to read it, not ask another passenger. But she texted "pass crap". She was also a college studlent. I replied, that's the name for a CR, not a ferry. Eventualy by a similar linguistic analysis, I figured out "Fast Craft".

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1785864]
I suspect 'trasper' is her attempt at 'transportation fare'; ask her is she means 'pamasahe', which is 'fare'.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Hutsori! Just one more question: if she means 'transportation fare' does it mean she has to pay for the school bus?

[QUOTE=Cbea20;1786006]I recently alloted P750 for a single uniform for a college student of a parochial school. So P750 for two uni for elementary school sounds right. [/QUOTE]Thanks Cbea20! Good info.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1786015]Thanks a lot Hutsori! Just one more question: if she means 'transportation fare' does it mean she has to pay for the school bus?[/QUOTE]I think it likely means tricycle (motorbike with sidecar) or jeepney or pedicab fare for students going to their local school. In a distantly related situation, I Google mapped the distance from house to school to see whether it was reasonably walkable. It's not unusual, though, for them to catch a ride regardless.

[QUOTE=Cbea20;1786006]But she texted "pass crap". She was also a college studlent. I replied, that's the name for a CR, not a ferry. Eventualy by a similar linguistic analysis, I figured out "Fast Craft".[/QUOTE]Hilarious! It goes both ways. On my first ever visit to the Philippines I was looking for a place in the Saint Francis mall in Ortigas, located near the Podium building. I must have gone back and forth three times between the two asking locals: "Where is the Saint Francis?" Reply: "Next to Poe-joom (pointing)" As I walked in the direction of pointing I'd ask: "Where's the Poe-joom? Reply: "Next to Sinpransis (pointing back the way I came)". As ridiculous as it sounds, I now usually pronounce English names Pinoy style to avoid confusion.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1786015]Thanks a lot Hutsori! Just one more question: if she means 'transportation fare' does it mean she has to pay for the school bus?[/QUOTE]You're welcome. The only school buses I've seen, which are little more than small vans and [url=http://ph.iwanti.com/buy-sale-cars_mitsubishi-l300-w-high-back-1997-model_idd_12359637]Mitsubishi L300 panel trucks[/url] painted yellow, belong to private Filipino schools. Maybe the expensive international schools have something better. I reckon her kids will take the jeep or a trike.

Public education in this place is extraordinarily poorly funded and only putatively free. Students, for example, are provided a minimum amount of school supplies at the beginning of the year; supplies that do not last beyond the first couple of months of school terms. It's up to parents to replace them. It's also up to parents to provide the means of transport, appropriate school clothes, lunches and funds for the endless, and mandatory "special events" that take the place of classroom education for days on end. Many poorer parents lack the means to fulfill these requirements which partially explains the high drop out rates.

GE.

Since few can find their way to the Cebu threads I am crossposting here to get out the word:

It's that time again; Friday October 16 at 11:00 a.m. ISG forum members will be meeting for the ISG Free Lunch in Cebu City. As always, no hidden agenda, no time share sales spiel;, only interesting conversation and good food. Reserve your place by PMing me.

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your wisdom and guidance over the previous year. I haven't been posting much at all, but I have been logging in regularly to keep track of the gossip and goings-on.

I've just returned from an 11 day trip to the Philippines. Spent 1 day traveling each way from the US, 5 days in Malate, and 4 days in AC.

I basically did a M-F in AC, and the weekends of each side of the week in Malate.

I spent the majority of my Malate mongering time in LA Caf. This may seem a tad odd and a little way of out the norm, but I used two hotels concurrently while in Malate.

I am just a tad on the paranoid side, and try to fly under the radar and avoid risk to the degree that I can. My main hotel was Cherry Blossom, next to Robinson mall. This is where I stored my luggage, credit cards, passport, laptop, etc. I like their hotel office safety deposit boxes (like a bank safety deposit box) behind two locked doors and a security camera along with my own private key. I don't trust hotel room safes. I also like to stay in CB's two story townhouses with entrance from the garage. I don't care about the walk of shame, but I do care about privacy and having to walk through the Lobby with my "working girl".

I also used the Brickstone Hotel as a "Staging area". The Brickstone is right next door to LA Caf. I like it because it is a 24 hour, cash based short time hotel available for 1500 PHP per 24 hour period. I would have LA Caf FLs meet me in the Lobby. I liked this setup for a couple of reasons:

1) It greatly cut my travel back and forth between CB and LA. While not a long walk, it does get me quite sweaty every time. Plus, being in the rainy season, one can never predict when the next deluge will occur.

2) It increases my safety. I didn't have to travel the seedy streets of Ermita at 2 AM. In addition, the street people didn't see me in the company of suspected prostitutes. Moreover, if I ever did have a problem, I could be packed up and gone from the Brickstone in a matter of minutes. No credit cards, no luggage, no names, no checkout process.

I didn't let my CB world and my Brickstone worlds collide. I took perhaps 10 ladies from LA all to the Brickstone, and none to the CB.

Most of my LA Caf ladies were repeats. I had some real sweet ladies. I know that a lot of my fellow mongers think LA is a fugly show. But I think there are some sweethearts there. One sweet young lady was really, really, cute (at least to me). I took her 3 times over the course of my trip.

Most of the FLs were starting the bidding at 2500 PHP, but they will gladly accept 2000. I could have gotten probably down even below that but instead negotiated bareback, two pops, and vibrator use. Some ladies are hesitant about going bareback at least at first, but I think they are more worried about getting knocked up that catching an STD. I promised to cum outside and they all agreed.

If you want to go bareback, I recommend you negotiate this up front.

In AC, I stayed in the New Central Park Tower. Really liked it. I stayed in the Penthouse across the street on my last visit, and think. I like the Central Park Tower a little better. While I did have a great view of Mt Arayat at the Penthouse, there is some amount of street noise from Santos street. Central Park Tower street noise was almost non-existent.

I stuck to the Fields Ave bars, and probably took the most ladies from Atlantis. Had no problems at all.

Thanks again for your year of wisdom and guidance. Especially GE for his periodic rants about "Life in the Philippines". It serves as a reminder to me that the Phils is a nice place to visit, but I should think very, very carefully about whether I want to live there.

Fly Under the radar when in the Philippines.

Peace Out.

WhatsurName.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1786150]Public education in this place is extraordinarily poorly funded and only putatively free. Students, for example, are provided a minimum amount of school supplies at the beginning of the year; supplies that do not last beyond the first couple of months of school terms. It's up to parents to replace them. It's also up to parents to provide the means of transport, appropriate school clothes, lunches and funds for the endless, and mandatory "special events" that take the place of classroom education for days on end. Many poorer parents lack the means to fulfill these requirements which partially explains the high drop out rates.

GE.[/QUOTE]Thanks GE for your contribution! My GF told me that beside new uniforms she has to buy new books as well because they are using other books in the new school and they only teach Tagalog and not English (much to the chagrin of her daughter because she hardly speaks English and is very eager to communicate with me).
Furthermore she has to pay 50 PhP a day for lunch.

Meanwhile I've finally understood what she meant by 'have problem trasper'. She simply meant the transfer from the old school to the new school.

Hopefully the kids can go to their new school next week.

Just a heads-up for any guys who might be planning travel in or through Manila on November 18 & 19.

APEC will be held in Manila on those dates and with 21 country leaders in town Metro Manila will be in a state of semi-lockdown. All businesses have been requested to close on those dates.

Schools and Universities will close for 4 days on November 17,18, 19 and 20.

It may not be easy to get around the city on 18 and 19 if you have an advance schedule hoping to meet up with dating site conquests.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1786595]Just a heads-up for any guys who might be planning travel in or through Manila on November 18 & 19.

APEC will be held in Manila on those dates and with 21 country leaders in town Metro Manila will be in a state of semi-lockdown. All businesses have been requested to close on those dates.

Schools and Universities will close for 4 days on November 17,18, 19 and 20.

It may not be easy to get around the city on 18 and 19 if you have an advance schedule hoping to meet up with dating site conquests.[/QUOTE]I know Filipinos are known to over act, OA, as they themselves call it.

When the pope came, and when he flew to Tacloban, they shut down NAIA which is totally disregarding the Pope's request to minimize inconvenience to the common man.

As for APEC, I am booked to go on 20th, though as of now, there is no confirmation of the no-fly zone. I hope saner senses prevail, though since the US, Russian, China and Japanese Heads of State are due, the Filipinos may totally shut down NAIA, just for the fun of it.

God Help the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1786467]Furthermore she has to pay 50 PhP a day for lunch.[/QUOTE]I happened to be talking to the wife about schools and lunches just a couple of weeks ago. In her school (Negros Or) kids either went home for lunch or brought a packed lunch. She didn't mention any lunch fee but I'll ask her tonight if I remember. The subject came around because we were talking about school hours elsewhere in the world, while her area was an early start, a late finish. And a long, 2 hour lunch. Said to be that long so that kids that had to walk home for lunch had time to do so, as only a few could afford trikes and living a couple of miles away from school and walking was common.

But could well be different elsewhere.

[QUOTE=EconoTech;1786621]I know Filipinos are known to over act, OA, as they themselves call it.

When the pope came, and when he flew to Tacloban, they shut down NAIA which is totally disregarding the Pope's request to minimize inconvenience to the common man.

As for APEC, I am booked to go on 20th, though as of now, there is no confirmation of the no-fly zone. I hope saner senses prevail, though since the US, Russian, China and Japanese Heads of State are due, the Filipinos may totally shut down NAIA, just for the fun of it.

God Help the Philippines.[/QUOTE]God gave up long, long ago.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1786595]Just a heads-up for any guys who might be planning travel in or through Manila on November 18 & 19.

APEC will be held in Manila on those dates and with 21 country leaders in town Metro Manila will be in a state of semi-lockdown. All businesses have been requested to close on those dates.

Schools and Universities will close for 4 days on November 17,18, 19 and 20.

It may not be easy to get around the city on 18 and 19 if you have an advance schedule hoping to meet up with dating site conquests.[/QUOTE]The only advantage of APEC: The scammers at Manila airport will keep a low profile on those days. They would not want to put bullets & white powder in leaders' bags!

Hard to find recent info on EDSA near airport.

Staying in this Pasy area near mall of Asia. Any recent reports on EDSA? Have RTFF & done a search. Is there enough talent here for 3 days before I go further afield.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1788163]Hard to find recent info on EDSA near airport.

Staying in this Pasy area near mall of Asia. Any recent reports on EDSA? Have RTFF & done a search. Is there enough talent here for 3 days before I go further afield.[/QUOTE]There are about 10 bars inside the EDSA complex. There might be an average of 25 girls / bar = 250 girls. I know that the bar Firehouse has 20 girls on stage at one time, with 20 more on break. Anyway, there is plenty of talent. Take your time, don't feel pressured to buy lady's drink. Get there about 8 pm. 6 months ago the barfine was 1950 pesos, the girl's fee was separate. Don't forget to talk with the girl re: menses, time, what's expected, etc. Some girls are ok with pics. Enjoy.

Mr. Hawaii has already answered the question.

I seem to remember a lot of the ladies seem to prefer short time.

Upon departure, I prefer not to take the taxis right in front. I just walk down the street a bit where you can get a taxi who will use the meter.

Some taxis turn off of Roxas Blvd. And take a short cut down a dark narrow street. Don't be alarmed, you are almost there!

[QUOTE=NewImage;1788163]Hard to find recent info on EDSA near airport.

Staying in this Pasy area near mall of Asia. Any recent reports on EDSA? Have RTFF & done a search. Is there enough talent here for 3 days before I go further afield.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NewImage;1788163]Hard to find recent info on EDSA near airport.

Staying in this Pasy area near mall of Asia. Any recent reports on EDSA? Have RTFF & done a search. Is there enough talent here for 3 days before I go further afield.[/QUOTE]Note that EDSA is a road, and EDSA Entertainment Complex is a building on EDSA. Asking a taxi driver to take you to EDSA might not yield the desired result given that it is miles long! Then again, he might take one look at you and know exactly what you want.

Anyway, even if EDSA EC is not enough for 3 days, you have a couple of massage places near the airport and Manila Bay Cafe maybe 15 minutes away, depending on traffic. Not sure of picking up girls at Mall of Asia but it's a nice place to go for food and (non-girly) bars on the boardwalk.

Good post that definitely helps newcomers. And EDSA is pronounced as an acronym, rather than the individual sounds of the letters.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1788437]Note that EDSA is a road, and EDSA Entertainment Complex is a building on EDSA. Asking a taxi driver to take you to EDSA might not yield the desired result given that it is miles long! Then again, he might take one look at you and know exactly what you want.

Anyway, even if EDSA EC is not enough for 3 days, you have a couple of massage places near the airport and Manila Bay Cafe maybe 15 minutes away, depending on traffic. Not sure of picking up girls at Mall of Asia but it's a nice place to go for food and (non-girly) bars on the boardwalk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1789033]Good post that definitely helps newcomers. And EDSA is pronounced as an acronym, rather than the individual sounds of the letters.[/QUOTE]Thanks, and good point on the pronunciation.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1786595]Just a heads-up for any guys who might be planning travel in or through Manila on November 18 & 19.

APEC will be held in Manila on those dates and with 21 country leaders in town Metro Manila will be in a state of semi-lockdown. All businesses have been requested to close on those dates.

Schools and Universities will close for 4 days on November 17,18, 19 and 20.

It may not be easy to get around the city on 18 and 19 if you have an advance schedule hoping to meet up with dating site conquests.[/QUOTE]Further to my earlier post about APEC in Manila on November 17 - 20, Cebu Pacific has issued this list of cancelled flights.

[URL]http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/171-aviation-tourism/109956-cancelled-flights-apec-meetings-november-2015?utm_content=buffer3866c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/URL]

I haven't yet seen anything from PAL.

It might also be wise to check any other airline's schedule if you plan to be travelling to or within the Philippines at this time.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1789430]Further to my earlier post about APEC in Manila on November 17 - 20, Cebu Pacific has issued this list of cancelled flights.

[URL]http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/171-aviation-tourism/109956-cancelled-flights-apec-meetings-november-2015?utm_content=buffer3866c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/URL]
[/QUOTE][B][I]"Guests can rebook their flights for travel within 30 days from the original departure date; or opt for full refund or travel fund."
[/I][/B]

*Full refund* ? You just never see that.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1789507][B][I]"Guests can rebook their flights for travel within 30 days from the original departure date; or opt for full refund or travel fund."
[/I][/B]

*Full refund* ? You just never see that.[/QUOTE]Many cities in the US and Europe handle conferences at least the size of APEC every couple of months without closing down. The problem here is that the infrastructure is so far below any acceptable standard that the government doesn't want to embarrass itself by revealing how shoddy and inadequate it is. So, it will virtually close the city to impress 23 or so heads of state, costing the economy billions of pesos just to avoid demonstrating its colossal in competence. And what's even more unbelievable is that no one questions it. Can you imagine New York or Geneva closing for one or more of the unending streams of UN, eating a held in these cities?

This whole country is a reductio ad absurdem.

GE.

This was my afternoon yesterday. Grabbed a taxi and told him where I wanted to go and what side of the street I wanted to get out on. I wanted to get out on that side of the street as there was less chance of getting hit by a car or jeepney. Of course, he stops on the wrong side of the street after I told him again which side I wanted to get out on. Sure enough, I damn near got hit crossing the street.

After finishing my short business, I went for drink at a bar where all of the help knows me. Notwithstanding the fact that I've been going into that place for over 6 years, and the waitress has known me for at least 3 years, she brought me the wrong drink. She then took it back and 10 minutes later brought me the correct drink. When it was time to leave, no waitress was available to bring the bill. I had to chase one down, and then she had to chase the other waitress down to bring the bill. That was another 10 minutes.

So I went to a restobar for a decent dinner, and specifically told the waitress there what I wanted. She got half of the meal correct. I was getting to my pressure point, so I kept my mouth shut and ate, and won't eat there again.

So then I went to another bar and ordered a drink. They know me there too. I asked for a drink with a mixer MIXED in. She brought me the alcohol in one glass and a can of mixer. I told her I didn't want a can, just about 2 ounces mixed in. "We don't do mixes anymore. You have to buy the whole can. ".

There was utter stupidity 4 times in a row from 4 different filipinos. They're either stupid, don't care or both. But never call a Filipino stupid to their face. You insult their pinoy pride. Pride in what?

Point taken. BTW, what is your nationality? I'm from the US of A (midwest).

[QUOTE=Slippery;1790175]This was my afternoon yesterday. Grabbed a taxi and told him where I wanted to go and what side of the street I wanted to get out on. I wanted to get out on that side of the street as there was less chance of getting hit by a car or jeepney. Of course, he stops on the wrong side of the street after I told him again which side I wanted to get out on. Sure enough, I damn near got hit crossing the street.

SNIP

There was utter stupidity 4 times in a row from 4 different filipinos. They're either stupid, don't care or both. But never call a Filipino stupid to their face. You insult their pinoy pride. Pride in what?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Slippery;1790175]This was my afternoon yesterday. Grabbed a taxi and told him where I wanted to go and what side of the street I wanted to get out on. I wanted to get out on that side of the street as there was less chance of getting hit by a car or jeepney. Of course, he stops on the wrong side of the street after I told him again which side I wanted to get out on. Sure enough, I damn near got hit crossing the street.

After finishing my short business, I went for drink at a bar where all of the help knows me. Notwithstanding the fact that I've been going into that place for over 6 years, and the waitress has known me for at least 3 years, she brought me the wrong drink. She then took it back and 10 minutes later brought me the correct drink. When it was time to leave, no waitress was available to bring the bill. I had to chase one down, and then she had to chase the other waitress down to bring the bill. That was another 10 minutes.

So I went to a restobar for a decent dinner, and specifically told the waitress there what I wanted. She got half of the meal correct. I was getting to my pressure point, so I kept my mouth shut and ate, and won't eat there again.

So then I went to another bar and ordered a drink. They know me there too. I asked for a drink with a mixer MIXED in. She brought me the alcohol in one glass and a can of mixer. I told her I didn't want a can, just about 2 ounces mixed in. "We don't do mixes anymore. You have to buy the whole can. ".

There was utter stupidity 4 times in a row from 4 different filipinos. They're either stupid, don't care or both. But never call a Filipino stupid to their face. You insult their pinoy pride. Pride in what?[/QUOTE]Have ZERO expectations and think of pussy ONLY.

[QUOTE=WhatsUrName;1786463]
I also used the Brickstone Hotel as a "Staging area".[/QUOTE]Very clever system. Maybe I have too much Scots blood in me to have considered renting two rooms at the same time, but it's really not all that much money and I'm sure you're right about the advantages.

The resourcefulness of mongers is a wonderful thing.

Is there anyone here who understands (can read) the Kapampangan dialect and is willing to translate some sentences for me?
Or maybe someone who has a good understanding of Tagalog would also be able to help me out?

Please PM me.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1790175]This was my afternoon yesterday. Grabbed a taxi and told him where I wanted to go and what side of the street I wanted to get out on. I wanted to get out on that side of the street as there was less chance of getting hit by a car or jeepney. Of course, he stops on the wrong side of the street after I told him again which side I wanted to get out on. Sure enough, I damn near got hit crossing the street.

After finishing my short business, I went for drink at a bar where all of the help knows me. Notwithstanding the fact that I've been going into that place for over 6 years, and the waitress has known me for at least 3 years, she brought me the wrong drink. She then took it back and 10 minutes later brought me the correct drink. When it was time to leave, no waitress was available to bring the bill. I had to chase one down, and then she had to chase the other waitress down to bring the bill. That was another 10 minutes.

So I went to a restobar for a decent dinner, and specifically told the waitress there what I wanted. She got half of the meal correct. I was getting to my pressure point, so I kept my mouth shut and ate, and won't eat there again.

So then I went to another bar and ordered a drink. They know me there too. I asked for a drink with a mixer MIXED in. She brought me the alcohol in one glass and a can of mixer. I told her I didn't want a can, just about 2 ounces mixed in. "We don't do mixes anymore. You have to buy the whole can. ".

There was utter stupidity 4 times in a row from 4 different filipinos. They're either stupid, don't care or both. But never call a Filipino stupid to their face. You insult their pinoy pride. Pride in what?[/QUOTE]LOL. At some point you should just accept the fact you probably don't belong here and should go back to wherever you are from. I'm pretty sure you will be at least equally miserable but you won't have Filipinos to blame for your unhappiness. BTW, I would not be buying any lotto tickets anytime soon. You seem to be on quite a losing streak.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1790778]Is there anyone here who understands (can read) the Kapampangan dialect and is willing to translate some sentences for me?
Or maybe someone who has a good understanding of Tagalog would also be able to help me out?

Please PM me.[/QUOTE]I have a pampango-speaking girl. PM me some sentences.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1790175]This was my afternoon yesterday. Grabbed a taxi and told him where I wanted to go and what side of the street I wanted to get out on. I wanted to get out on that side of the street as there was less chance of getting hit by a car or jeepney. Of course, he stops on the wrong side of the street after I told him again which side I wanted to get out on. Sure enough, I damn near got hit crossing the street.

After finishing my short business, I went for drink at a bar where all of the help knows me. Notwithstanding the fact that I've been going into that place for over 6 years, and the waitress has known me for at least 3 years, she brought me the wrong drink. She then took it back and 10 minutes later brought me the correct drink. When it was time to leave, no waitress was available to bring the bill. I had to chase one down, and then she had to chase the other waitress down to bring the bill. That was another 10 minutes.

So I went to a restobar for a decent dinner, and specifically told the waitress there what I wanted. She got half of the meal correct. I was getting to my pressure point, so I kept my mouth shut and ate, and won't eat there again.

So then I went to another bar and ordered a drink. They know me there too. I asked for a drink with a mixer MIXED in. She brought me the alcohol in one glass and a can of mixer. I told her I didn't want a can, just about 2 ounces mixed in. "We don't do mixes anymore. You have to buy the whole can. ".

There was utter stupidity 4 times in a row from 4 different filipinos. They're either stupid, don't care or both. But never call a Filipino stupid to their face. You insult their pinoy pride. Pride in what?[/QUOTE]I'm just guessing your attitude might have something to do with the service you receive. It doesn't matter how well they know you somewhere, if they don't like you. Do they know you as someone who is always complaining? Do they know you as someone who never has something nice to say? Do they know you as a lousy tipper?

When I go into a place I smile, I return greetings, I say "thanks" for everything. When I leave I tip a reasonable amount or more if service was good. I try to make the employees day a little better.

It works like magic. After a few visits people stop by to say Hello, I get good tables and better service, I might get asked to sample a new menu item or a new drink. Eventually, managers will start greeting me. If business is slow someone will sit and talk with me.

It works another way too. I get to hear about the bad customers and I learn not to get upset when service is slow, or something is messed up.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1790175]This was my afternoon yesterday. Grabbed a taxi and told him where I wanted to go and what side of the street I wanted to get out on. I wanted to get out on that side of the street as there was less chance of getting hit by a car or jeepney. Of course, he stops on the wrong side of the street after I told him again which side I wanted to get out on. Sure enough, I damn near got hit crossing the street.
There was utter stupidity 4 times in a row from 4 different filipinos. They're either stupid, don't care or both. But never call a Filipino stupid to their face. You insult their pinoy pride. Pride in what?[/QUOTE]If you keep in your mind that you are nothing but a guest and treat people with kindness and most respect, you may get the same in return. So, your life can be easier and you can enjoy your visits much more than before. $0. 02.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1790175]There was utter stupidity 4 times in a row from 4 different filipinos. They're either stupid, don't care or both.[/QUOTE]Many foreigners that live here have few other choices. It is among other things a Cheap Charlie's paradise. Perhaps they did not prepare for their retirement. Some had their saddle bags unpacked by ex-wives. Some have alcohol and / or gambling addictions. They go through their same routine every day trying to spend as little as possible and somehow feel the natives here are partly to blame. They want to feel superior to somebody even if it's a waitress taking their order. The waitress sees him every day and puts up with his constant complaining. She sees his face glow red when the fork is placed on the wrong side of the plate.

When he does go back to his own country to visit once a year he enjoys the sanitized and organized place he once called home. That feeling lasts for about 72 hours. He's quickly reminded of the reasons why he left home. He is ignored by his own people. He is invisible to women. If he complains he is likely told to go fuck himself. It's time to go back to the place where they at least will put up with his bullshit. He yearns to bark at a taxi driver for making him waddle across the street. He feels entitled here even if he's only on a thousand peso per day budget. His negative posts on ISG about the locals are a form of therapy. He's hoping for others to chime in and complain as well but GE's internet connection is down and cannot immediately respond. Nothing much to do but order a Crown Royal and complain it's not a full shot. Another day in paradise.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1791510]Many foreigners that live here have few other choices. It is among other things a Cheap Charlie's paradise. Perhaps they did not prepare for their retirement. Some had their saddle bags unpacked by ex-wives. Some have alcohol and / or gambling addictions. They go through their same routine every day trying to spend as little as possible and somehow feel the natives here are partly to blame. They want to feel superior to somebody even if it's a waitress taking their order. The waitress sees him every day and puts up with his constant complaining. She sees his face glow red when the fork is placed on the wrong side of the plate.

When he does go back to his own country to visit once a year he enjoys the sanitized and organized place he once called home. That feeling lasts for about 72 hours. He's quickly reminded of the reasons why he left home. He is ignored by his own people. He is invisible to women. If he complains he is likely told to go fuck himself. It's time to go back to the place where they at least will put up with his bullshit. He yearns to bark at a taxi driver for making him waddle across the street. He feels entitled here even if he's only on a thousand peso per day budget. His negative posts on ISG about the locals are a form of therapy. He's hoping for others to chime in and complain as well but GE's internet connection is down and cannot immediately respond. Nothing much to do but order a Crown Royal and complain it's not a full shot. Another day in paradise.[/QUOTE]An excellent posting.

I may add some get so lonely as to sign a Philippines marriage contract with a girl who works in Angeles. The consequence is that they get financially drained in building / buying a house for the wife (foreigners can only own condos), starting a (losing) business for the wife, supporting the wife's family & previous Filipino kids and / or a combination of all three. They then end up just about surviving financially, realizing the true legal meaning and consequence of the marriage contract and end up wandering around AC miserable and bitter. They do not dare partake of the only attraction in AC. Cheap pussy, because they cannot afford to and / or scared of the marriage contract real penalties for concubinism (using the Philippine law term). As often as not, such individuals will go into denial that they made mistakes. That is understandable!

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1791510]Many foreigners that live here have few other choices. It is among other things a Cheap Charlie's paradise. Perhaps they did not prepare for their retirement. Some ha.[/QUOTE]Awesome observation.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1791510]Many foreigners that live here have few other choices. It is among other things a Cheap Charlie's paradise. Perhaps they did not prepare for their retirement. Some had their saddle bags unpacked by ex-wives. Some have alcohol and / or gambling addictions. They go through their same routine every day trying to spend as little as possible and somehow feel the natives here are partly to blame. They want to feel superior to somebody even if it's a waitress taking their order. The waitress sees him every day and puts up with his constant complaining. She sees his face glow red when the fork is placed on the wrong side of the plate.

When he does go back to his own country to visit once a year he enjoys the sanitized and organized place he once called home. That feeling lasts for about 72 hours. He's quickly reminded of the reasons why he left home. He is ignored by his own people. He is invisible to women. If he complains he is likely told to go fuck himself. It's time to go back to the place where they at least will put up with his bullshit. He yearns to bark at a taxi driver for making him waddle across the street. He feels entitled here even if he's only on a thousand peso per day budget. His negative posts on ISG about the locals are a form of therapy. He's hoping for others to chime in and complain as well but GE's internet connection is down and cannot immediately respond. Nothing much to do but order a Crown Royal and complain it's not a full shot. Another day in paradise.[/QUOTE]I guessing that the reasons for moving here are as varied as the expats who live here, though I do recognize the type described. Not really sure what the reference to me means, but I do agree that there are expats who live in a permanent state of smug resentment. I find that my anger, when it surfaces, is rarely directed at individuals--since I find most Filipinos to be among the nicest folks I've ever met--and more at governmental indifference, incompetence and greed. As to the "stupidity" post which elicited the above, the writer obviously doesn't understand the difference between the aggregate effects of poor education, poor training and perhaps a less than perfect comprehension of English and stupidity. I suspect that the writer of that post would be miserable wherever he lives.

Most of the retired expats I know don't fit within the genre described. But then, most of the retired expats I know don't live in Angeles. Rarely if ever go there, candy seem to have more engaging, richer lives than the lost should described in the post. Most have found ways of remaining productive and intellectually stimulated.

GE.

As for the third sentence: 1) is it a brain fart? 2) typo 3) Unusual auto edit by the ISG brain trust?

If I do a bit of rhyme and change "candy" to "and I" and then change "the lost should" to "those" it makes sense.

I'm a pretty fast touch typist and I find myself making similar mistakes. And auto correction sometimes makes the result especially weird. X.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1791699] SNIP

Most of the retired expats I know don't fit within the genre described. But then, most of the retired expats I know don't live in Angeles. Rarely if ever go there, candy seem to have more engaging, richer lives than the lost should described in the post. Most have found ways of remaining productive and intellectually stimulated.

GE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1791748]As for the third sentence: 1) is it a brain fart? 2) typo 3) Unusual auto edit by the ISG brain trust?

If I do a bit of rhyme and change "candy" to "and I" and then change "the lost should" to "those" it makes sense.

I'm a pretty fast touch typist and I find myself making similar mistakes. And auto correction sometimes makes the result especially weird. X.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that. I meant to say and they. ISG's automatic editing does produce some strange results.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1791699]I guessing that the reasons for moving here are as varied
GE.[/QUOTE]Well put GE. These 2 week tourists put up with the shit because they are only here for a short while. I think they would be singing a different tune if they were here long term. The fucked-up and ramshackle infrastructure, mindless bureaucracy, chaotic dysfunctionality and lack of coherent service orientation can drive one to distraction. And I'm only her a few month of the year now. How you have put up with it so long and retained some semblance of sanity is a mystery.

My comments below are NOT directed towards any previous post in particular so I am not sniping at any other member. Just giving my own perspective.

I am into my 19th continuous year living here now and I find it gets easier as time passes because I surround myself with (mostly) positive people (rarely disillusioned expats) and I never get too hung up on anything that I CANNOT CHANGE.

A comment was made by SB I think in an earlier post that the PI can be viewed as a paradise if you highlight the positives rather than the negatives.

For me, I choose to live in Ortigas Center on a foreign salary and in a condo that is:

In a flood-free and built up area;.

Never seems to have power failures;.

Has an effective water supply;.

Long-term live-in maid;.

Excellent polite helpful security;.

A well-appointed gym that others in my condo rarely use;.

Cheap, efficient maintenance service on call for any small problems;.

Adjacent to 4 large malls (Robinson's, Podium, Megamall, Shangri-la) within easy and safe walking distance thus avoiding the personal need for a car and consequent hassling with traffic;.

Sufficient quality restaurants within reach if ever I want to dine out and new ones opening all the time (I prefer to eat fresh, healthy food at home);.

Mid-way between Makati and QC; easy access to my work environments;.

Etc.

I can accept the incompetent service that I often get in most service outlets because I know the staff are doing the best they can despite receiving poor training and without really understanding what are acceptable levels of service that I see as efficient because they have never travelled or experienced them. I no longer use the MRT because it is dysfunctional but I can't change that, so I use taxis, and rarely have any hassles with them. I know the government is incompetent but that incompetence rarely impinges directly on me except when I have to use the roads and I get delayed by a few hours because of the hopeless lack of infrastructure. Again, I plan for that in my schedule and deal with it when it occurs.

Yes. I feel depressed for the future of the country and I wish it could be better for the locals who deserve better, but no amount of me cursing or ranting will change anything so I just accept it. I work with incredibly nice, polite people who are generally very competent in what they do.

I also get the opportunity to travel outside PI to other SE Asian countries quite often and back to Australia at least once each year, so I get a chance to benchmark the standards here against the equally crazy things I often see in other countries, and I am often refreshed by visiting places and restaurants etc where service is high quality and this restores my equilibrium.

I don't understand why anybody continues to live here or keeps coming back for short or even extended periods but then spends at least a few hours every day criticizing everything and anything about the country or letting the situation get to them. The acid in their stomachs must be boiling and bubbling.

I tend to emphasize the reasons why I stay, not dwell too long on why I should move somewhere else. I have that option to move if I want, but I choose not to.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1792156]I am into my 19th continuous year living here now and I find it gets easier as time passes because I surround myself with (mostly) positive people (rarely disillusioned expats) and I never get too hung up on anything that I CANNOT CHANGE.

[/QUOTE]One of the best comments ever on this topic.

Long ago I wrote that I didn't like the Philippines very much when I first started visiting here. The tales of woe and misery kind of got me down. Why was I [I]choosing[/I] to hang out with so many troubled people? By changing my social groups and avoiding travel during daytime hours, especially during rush hour, i.e. the things I can change, things are far better. Often they are fabulous. Because life is so easy when something goes awry I catch myself making a bigger deal of it than is deserved. Of course no one has put bullets in my luggage.

About the only time I experience a larger hassle is when I insert myself into a friend's problem, such as her being jerked around by a bank. It's not due to my altruistic nature, it's because I don't want to be bouncing from one office to the next all over town to sort it. I just call over a manager, explain the problem, and almost always a more efficient solution is found.

If I wanted public tidiness, gov't efficiency, business professionalism and near perfect infrastructure I'd live in Switzerland or Singabore.

All of us [I]choose[/I] to be here. Dissatisfied with your choice? Change your expectations or change your location.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1792156]I am into my 19th continuous year living here now and I find it gets easier as time passes because I surround myself with (mostly) positive people (rarely disillusioned expats) and I never get too hung up on anything that I CANNOT CHANGE.[/QUOTE]An excellent attitude!

Some foreigners contribute to perceptions among the native Philippine populace that lead to foreigners in general being subjected to shabby treatment. Recently, an elderly Caucasian expat was celebrating the birthday of his baby son. Noticing the child looked entirely like the mother from Samar without the slightest hint of European genes expressed, I enquired about this strange phenomenon. It was then revealed that the expat's Filipina wife cuckolded him with a Filipino who impregnated her. The foreigner being a sweet guy forgave her and accepted the bastard child as his own. In fact, he was so forgiving that the guy who fucked his wife was in attendance at the birthday party.

I suspect the fact that there is no easy way out of a Philippine marriage contract, especially when the foreigner has purchased house and lot in the wife's name, has a lot to do with this expat's resignation to lifelong cuckold status. From a practical point of view at his age it would probably be suicide to write off his nest egg invested in the purchase of the property and attempt to start over on his meager pension in the twilight of his life. However, what the Filipinas in attendance at the party took away from this is that foreigners are very sweet forgiving and accepting of being cuckolded and raising the offspring of the wife's pinoy boyfriend.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1789430]Further to my earlier post about APEC in Manila on November 17 - 20, Cebu Pacific has issued this list of cancelled flights.

[URL]http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/171-aviation-tourism/109956-cancelled-flights-apec-meetings-november-2015?utm_content=buffer3866c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer[/URL]

I haven't yet seen anything from PAL.

It might also be wise to check any other airline's schedule if you plan to be travelling to or within the Philippines at this time.[/QUOTE]Further to my earlier posts about APEC:

Another update in case guys figure it will be OK and they will wing-it.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/10/26/1514926/apec-may-affect-ofw-arrival-christmas[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1792485]Further to my earlier posts about APEC:

Another update in case guys figure it will be OK and they will wing-it.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/10/26/1514926/apec-may-affect-ofw-arrival-christmas[/URL][/QUOTE]Some excellent advice from RK. The Government of the Philippines is pulling out all stops to ensure that the APEC Conference runs smoothly, and doesn't mind inconveniencing anyone else. It would be wise to avoid traveling to or from Manila from immediately prior to through immediately after the conference. I'm not sure if non-Manila travel, such as flights routed through Cebu or Davao would be affected, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they were. Normally, I would have planned to be in Manila for business that week, but as it is, and given that we've got to close the office in any case, I'm going to stay put in Davao.

GE.

A while ago for those who remember I bought a box from GNC with 100 50 MG tabs of zinc. Now I have finished the box and I must say after a long life beeing aware of my sperm (in many ways) I do shoot bigger doses, I can shoot more often and it also seems the sperm is beeing whiter and looks more delicious (felt strange writing this).

I got snipped a while back maybe that has got something to do with it. Just saying as a selfmedicater (with minor advices from my inhouse doc who can not control me, he is laughing).

And from those strongly advice against doing so(i am very aware of what zinc does to ur body and how we get zinc into our system). I have done a lot of strange things in my life(high sensation seeker)ex drugs and still i havent been sick more than 2 times(flu)in m life. I have my inhouse doctor also say i should not selfmedicate but he accepts it as long as i consult him through sms(he is also a friend). He is blending a nice coctail sometimes makes ur dick last for 5-6days. I am not so brave to try that one yet, nor do i have the needs. But it is sure nice to know when the day comes and junior is protesting heavily, there is a way:-)

Some information disseminated to Aussie expats today from the Oz govt website suggests that there is increasing evidence that groups in the Philippines are expanding their kidnapping intentions beyond the "normal" no-go zones in Southern Mindanao.

Now we all know that many travel advisories are often quite extreme and are designed to cover the Embassy in case anything goes pear-shaped but the current circumstances here are worthy of note:

Politicians need more cash for next year's elections and so the more unsavory of the species seek additional cash through fair means or foul.

The travel advisory suggests that these kidnap-for ransom groups [I]have the capability to target locations frequented by tourists in southern Palawan, southern Negros or Siquijor.[/I].

In other words, they are now moving into Visaya areas.

Those of you travelling in Northern Mindanao and southern Visayas beach areas should take extra care. No doubt the US Embassy will provide similar advice.

Thank you for the details Superman. You never get sick and you never have a filipina show up late. Quite a record!

Disclaimer: In recent posts, Skogis has admitted some ladies have showed up late. The kryptonite seems to be having an effect!

[QUOTE=Skogis;1792564]A while ago for those who remember I bought a box from GNC with 100 50 MG tabs of zinc. Now I have finished the box and I must say after a long life beeing aware of my sperm (in many ways) I do shoot bigger doses, I can shoot more often and it also seems the sperm is beeing whiter and looks more delicious (felt strange writing this).

I got snipped a while back maybe that has got something to do with it. Just saying as a selfmedicater (with minor advices from my inhouse doc who can not control me, he is laughing).

And from those strongly advice against doing so(i am very aware of what zinc does to ur body and how we get zinc into our system). I have done a lot of strange things in my life(high sensation seeker)ex drugs and still i havent been sick more than 2 times(flu)in m life. I have my inhouse doctor also say i should not selfmedicate but he accepts it as long as i consult him through sms(he is also a friend). He is blending a nice coctail sometimes makes ur dick last for 5-6days. I am not so brave to try that one yet, nor do i have the needs. But it is sure nice to know when the day comes and junior is protesting heavily, there is a way:-)[/QUOTE]

Thanks RK. I was shocked when some folks were taken from Samal Island (near Davao city). I've been to Samal beaches several times.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1792565]Some information disseminated to Aussie expats today from the Oz govt website suggests that there is increasing evidence that groups in the Philippines are expanding their kidnapping intentions beyond the "normal" no-go zones in Southern Mindanao.

Now we all know that many travel advisories are often quite extreme and are designed to cover the Embassy in case anything goes pear-shaped but the current circumstances here are worthy of note:

(sensitive political info snipped)

The travel advisory suggests that these kidnap-for ransom groups [I]have the capability to target locations frequented by tourists in southern Palawan, southern Negros or Siquijor.[/I].

e.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1792761]Thank you for the details Superman. You never get sick and you never have a filipina show up late. Quite a record!

Disclaimer: In recent posts, Skogis has admitted some ladies have showed up late. The kryptonite seems to be having an effect![/QUOTE]By saying so I admitted that latecommers can happen, didn't I? But on my behalf its rare so I don't understand all the trouble. Again, my trick is to deal with females living close to Makati. Not so big hazzles getting them on time then. Not an Einstein soulution id say. Sorry for beeing humbly pro some selfmedication at times X man. When I grow older I might regret it but until then i "rock on".

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1792515]Some excellent advice from RK. The Government of the Philippines is pulling out all stops to ensure that the APEC Conference runs smoothly, and doesn't mind inconveniencing anyone else. It would be wise to avoid traveling to or from Manila from immediately prior to through immediately after the conference. I'm not sure if non-Manila travel, such as flights routed through Cebu or Davao would be affected, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they were. Normally, I would have planned to be in Manila for business that week, but as it is, and given that we've got to close the office in any case, I'm going to stay put in Davao.

GE.[/QUOTE]Philippine Airlines website has not announced their cancelled flights arising from the APEC. According to their website, they are still waiting to hear what runways will be closed down. !! The good news is that they have advised that travelers will be able to change their flight reservations without charge if travel had been booked within the period 16-20 November.

Disdain for the Natives.

Disdain for the natives is created in part by the actions of the locals and in prejudices that foreigners harbor prior to arriving. Most foreigners come to Philippines with a mentality that they are somehow superior to the natives mentally, financially and sexually.

Most foreigners seem to think they are more intelligent than the natives which this is proven time and time again to not be the case. That is why these financial scams (planted young girl, planted illegal items) are perpetually perpetrated.

Financially foreigners throw money around boasting about their financial situation when there are some natives who wield considerable money and power and who frequent some of the same establishments as your average mongers such as the Greenbelt.

On this very board you see overweight, over 40 years of age men brag about their sexual prowess and how they show the girls "new" things that her native boyfriend / s did not show her. The truth of the matter is Filipino men for the most part are sex addicts (just like their female counterparts) and can fornicate with the best of them.

The natives cause disdain due to their own laziness, incompetence, simple minded, hostile, hypocritical and jealous behavior. They always seem to make a big deal whenever a foreigner is around and sometime harass the foreigner even when the foreigner is doing nothing to warrant attention.

The local men seem to always want to try to prove how tough they are especially when they know they they will be supported in numbers and by the law if any altercation occurs. Text message based threats will be sent by some jealous lover in defense of some bar girl you anal barebacked weeks ago.

Doing business transactions here one will see documents not processed years later after requesting they be processed. Documents lost or the foreigner blamed that he did not complete certain form. Bills for utilities created out of thin air. Dog shit being left in corridors of $200,000 condos. Taxi drivers charging exorbitant fees for short rides.

To sum it all up is there is enough blame to go around.

I can not count how many phil girls loving me, hehe. I am not delusional so I know this saying means probably as much or as little as "did you have your breakfast" or "have you eaten yet". On the other hand its kind of cute if you deal with it the right way and I have no idea if I do?? I would believe this is common to a lot of you fine gents out there but do we realy know what "I love you" means to a pinay? My guess would be its their way of sucking into us believing if I treat this guy with nice words he would be on my regular fuck schedual with additional compensation wishes Am I right? I've never responded nor told any pinay (ex my half half GF) I love them as I think this word itself call for much more commitment than a shortly fucksession.

I went to BI today to extend my 30 days. The trip there was nauseating and the same back. By that I mean the taxi rides, the stop and go traffic with slow swerving in and out of lanes and the bad clutching made me almost vomit a few times. Now I understand why some taxis smell like vomit! It is vomit!

I must say the BI has it together with a smooth operation and more than polite staffing. If you didn't come prepared with one 2" x 2" photo and one copy of your passport and entry stamped page, you can get it done right outside of the building expediously. I had brought a photo so only needed the copies made. I thought maybe an outrageous cost for on the location copying. 4 pesos! That is 2 pesos a copy sir. With my 30+ days millionaire budget I gave him 10 pesos and said keep the change! Yep I blew it for the next guys.

The whole process took less than 23 minutes and I was out the door with my extension less 4140 pesos in my pocket. Let's hope I dodge the bullet at the airport!

[QUOTE=Skogis;1793497]I can not count how many phil girls loving me, hehe. I am not delusional so I know this saying means probably as much or as little as "did you have your breakfast" or "have you eaten yet". On the other hand its kind of cute if you deal with it the right way and I have no idea if I do?? I would believe this is common to a lot of you fine gents out there but do we realy know what "I love you" means to a pinay? My guess would be its their way of sucking into us believing if I treat this guy with nice words he would be on my regular fuck schedual with additional compensation wishes Am I right? I've never responded nor told any pinay (ex my half half GF) I love them as I think this word itself call for much more commitment than a shortly fucksession.[/QUOTE]You got it in one, its all about nice words in return for being on the payroll and of course if you treat them well rather than the abuse they get from local guys. Your exp in phil girls is much higher than mine and like you I treat my girls with respect and dignity. So I guessing its all 50/50 and win win for these girls. Even if you did tell them I love you etc, I am sure it won't stop them from meeting other men. They don't understand commitment, not that us mongerers are seeking any commitment, just good GFE and fuck sessions.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1792515]Some excellent advice from RK. The Government of the Philippines is pulling out all stops to ensure that the APEC Conference runs smoothly, and doesn't mind inconveniencing anyone else. It would be wise to avoid traveling to or from Manila from immediately prior to through immediately after the conference. I'm not sure if non-Manila travel, such as flights routed through Cebu or Davao would be affected, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they were. Normally, I would have planned to be in Manila for business that week, but as it is, and given that we've got to close the office in any case, I'm going to stay put in Davao.

GE.[/QUOTE]To follow up from RK's FR on APEC and NAIA this is on the road closures. It will be very messy, congested and horrible.

While for some APEC must be a popular talking shop, it will create huge congestion for the majority, and a 'no fly' zone. But then they closed Manila for 5 days for the Pope effectively and NAIA so what do we know.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/10/30/1516375/several-roads-be-closed-apec-meet[/URL]

If going to / from the airport best add a few hours.

The next problem is that you arrive at the NAIA very early and what can you do to bide your time waiting for the departure? Not much as NAIA is no BKK, KL, Singapore airport (and won't be for a long time) LOL.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1793738]To follow up from RK's FR on APEC and NAIA this is on the road closures. It will be very messy, congested and horrible.

While for some APEC must be a popular talking shop, it will create huge congestion for the majority, and a 'no fly' zone. But then they closed Manila for 5 days for the Pope effectively and NAIA so what do we know.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/10/30/1516375/several-roads-be-closed-apec-meet[/URL]

If going to / from the airport best add a few hours.

The next problem is that you arrive at the NAIA very early and what can you do to bide your time waiting for the departure? Not much as NAIA is no BKK, KL, Singapore airport (and won't be for a long time) LOL.[/QUOTE]Word man. Its horrifying how a country as poor as phils just close down every sane transportation. I guess many of the APEC leaders know how the situation are in phils. Phil gvmnt closing down everything will not change their view on phils even if they can travel relatively hazzlefree wherever they would go. A country in desperate needs of quality leadership the population ID guess s thinking this is cool rather than question all the shut downs. They don't know there own bests.

It wouldnot surprise me if Putin is giving his best regards to phils and its people bcs I believe they are provided with enough high end escort girls to take away all the preassure from what realy matters hehe. Mentioning of Putin is only one example as I've nothing unspoken to him. Maybe Malaysian gvmnt has? Well lets see. They, atleast, will have an easy breeze travelling back and forth to the airport. Its different beeing a world leader rather than just a common mongerer I agree though as in New York where they constantly have these big shots comming and going due to UN they maybe close down a street here and there but nothing realy viewable if your not so unlucky living close to the preimeters of the UN building. Why North Korea still can have a vote in UN is beyond my belief system coming up with all its bullshit. A couple of month ago I visited NK and fuck they are srange and stupid. This is another matter I've could written pages from.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1793846]Its horrifying how a country as poor as phils just close down every sane transportation. I guess many of the APEC leaders know how the situation are in phils. Phil gvmnt closing down everything will not change their view on phils even if they can travel relatively hazzlefree wherever they would go. A country in desperate needs of quality leadership the population ID guess s thinking this is cool rather than question all the shut downs. They don't know there own bests.

I agree though as in New York where they constantly have these big shots coming and going due to UN they maybe close down a street here and there but nothing really viewable if your not so unlucky living close to the preimeters of the UN building. Why .[/QUOTE]While PNoy has been bragging recently about the increase I FDI to the country he failed (conveniently) to say that Phil got way so little while others in Asia got huge amounts. In other words IMHO Phil got a miniscule amount of FDI while it neighbors received 10-20 times more investment (wonder why?

Good observation about NYC as I have been there and a road or 2 is closed but not the airport per se and not half the city etc. Has been a 'lockdown' I think once or twice but given Phil wants to try to let it guests think the county functions normally others will suffer (and stay silent about it).

[QUOTE=Skogis;1793846]A couple of month ago I visited NK and fuck they are srange and stupid. This is another matter I've could written pages from.[/QUOTE]There are just too many ways to imagine that going wrong. How did you explain the excess baggage of zinc and vitamin-V pills to customs? Hope to hear of your adventures there whether or not you made new female fans there. You should write a book in Norwegian or English or Engwegian or Norlish or whatever. Welcome back to the Philippines, with it's endless supply of willing women.

[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;1793903]There are just too many ways to imagine that going wrong. How did you explain the excess baggage of zinc and vitamin-V pills to customs? Hope to hear of your adventures there whether or not you made new female fans there. You should write a book in Norwegian or English or Engwegian or Norlish or whatever. Welcome back to the Philippines, with it's endless supply of willing women.[/QUOTE]Travelling with Air Koryo (tupolev 204 russian build) from Beijing to Pyangyang you pretty much know you are not getting loads of pussy. I have to say though that our guards / guides was more than happy to provide us a few. Actually there were quite a few ladies from lower part of russia attending the scene. They were mostly occupied by Hi so military officials playing by the fat master I guess they had to do something to make them occupied. I passed for once pussy on a 6 days trip.

I've been better places and this was not my style. Ofcourse I am not stupid so I knew beforehand mongering would be difficult in countries like this (maybe only a couple left). Well I been there so now US / South Korea can just bomb the shit when you have to starve in a country spending 90% of its BNP on military puroposes and have to eat grass then better kill them all. Everything in NK is artificial as we visited hospitals, amusmentparks, skiresorts etc. All establishment empty ofcourse. My biggest dissapointment was atthe skiresort where I viewed a Swissmade gondol.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1793497]I can not count how many phil girls loving me, hehe. I am not delusional so I know this saying means probably as much or as little as "did you have your breakfast" or "have you eaten yet". On the other hand its kind of cute if you deal with it the right way and I have no idea if I do?? I would believe this is common to a lot of you fine gents out there but do we realy know what "I love you" means to a pinay? My guess would be its their way of sucking into us believing if I treat this guy with nice words he would be on my regular fuck schedual with additional compensation wishes Am I right? I've never responded nor told any pinay (ex my half half GF) I love them as I think this word itself call for much more commitment than a shortly fucksession.[/QUOTE]Actually, asking "if you have eaten yet", is a common form of greeting and has little to do with love. In Hong Kong as well, it is the standard form of greeting in Cantonese. For those who spend their lives eating, they probably do not realize that past Asian communities considered a meal a lucky event. A better way to check if a girl loves you is to monitor her behavior regarding money and if she is texting her clients / BFs on her phone.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1793928]Actually, asking "if you have eaten yet", is a common form of greeting and has little to do with love. In Hong Kong as well, it is the standard form of greeting in Cantonese. For those who spend their lives eating, they probably do not realize that past Asian communities considered a meal a lucky event. A better way to check if a girl loves you is to monitor her behavior regarding money and if she is texting her clients / BFs on her phone.[/QUOTE]I knew this but still I find it funny in 2015. The rest I highly agree with you. Thanks God I am not looking for GF here.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1793909]Travelling with Air Koryo (tupolev 204 russian build) from Beijing to Pyangyang you pretty much know you are not getting loads of pussy. I have to say though that our guards / guides was more than happy to provide us a few. Actually there were quite a few ladies from lower part of russia attending the scene..[/QUOTE]So Skogis, no chance of taking a 'tool box' to North Korea. Maybe they see vibes etc as some sort of imperialist trick to educate their ladies into the more 'conservative' side of western life?

[QUOTE=Skogis;1793909]Travelling with Air Koryo (tupolev 204 russian build) from Beijing to Pyangyang you pretty much know you are not getting loads of pussy. I have to say though that our guards / guides was more than happy to provide us a few. Actually there were quite a few ladies from lower part of russia attending the scene. They were mostly occupied by Hi so military officials playing by the fat master I guess they had to do something to make them occupied. I passed for once pussy on a 6 days trip.[/QUOTE]The guards / guides offered you Russian ladies? Or also North Korean?

And what do you mean by 'lower part of russia'? The geographically or socially lower part?

A few weeks ago there were postings about the scam at NAIA airport where security staff, police were putting bullets and or white powder into travelers' bags, asking for money, if not paid arresting the innocent victim. Apparently the situation has got serious since that time with the situation spinning out of control. Below is part of an article out of the Manila Bulletin of yesterday. As posting of email addresses is not allowed on this forum, I would suggest you read the full article on the Manila Bulletin of 31 October.

Uproar over NAIA bullet mess widens.

October 31,2015.

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By Mario be. Casayuran, Hannah L. Torregoza, and Ariel Fernandez.

Despite public outcry over "tanim-bala" (bullet-planting) cases at the country's premiere airport, there seems to be no end to this mess that is already scaring tourists and overseas Filipino workers (OFWs).

Yesterday, it was reported that two more passengers set to leave the country were arrested after the discovery of bullets in their luggage bags at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 2 (NAIA-2).

With the widening uproar over the bullet mess, Senate President Pro Tempore Ralph G. Recto called on Malacañang to straighten out the mess by setting up a "Presidential Action and Complaint Desk" at the country's premier gateway to serve as a "one-stop, on-the-spot troubleshooting center" for OFWs and other travellers.

But Presidential Communications Operations Secretary Herminio Coloma Jr. Said the government has already installed public assistance desks at airports to address any concerns of OFWs and other passengers. He assured that government employees are there to serve the public and address their needs.

Likewise, calls for a congressional inquiry in the Senate continue to gain support, with presidential aspirant Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago being the latest to join fellow lawmakers in calling for an investigation into the persistent reports of tanim-bala cases.

Santiago said these reports of unsuspecting travelers to the Philippines, including the country's migrant workers, falling prey to the modus operandi "underline inaction on the part of government. ".

"The reports highlight how corruption defeats the purpose of law enforcement. Second, they raise a legitimate question on the implementation of the law on the illegal possession of ammunition. Finally, they underline inaction on the part of government," Santiago said.

NEW VICTIMS.

The latest victims of the bullet mess are Pancho M. Salgado, 65, of Taytay, Rizal; and Chris Valerie Panopio Mendoza, Sampaloc Manila. Salgado allegedly yielded an armalite bullet while entering NAIA-2, while a. 45 caliber bullet was confiscated from the luggage bag of Mendoza.

Salgado was bound for Osaka, Japan, while Mendoza was supposed to leave for Dubai, United Arab Emirates, when they were held by airport authorities. Both are currently detained at the PNP Aviation Security Group detention center while awaiting bail.

Last Thursday, Revelina A. Combis, 68, of South Poblacion, Dipaculao, Aurora, was prevented from boarding Philippine Airlines flight PR 2041 bound for Caticlan, Boracay, after members of the Office for Transportation Security (OTS) found a. 45 caliber bullet allegedly inside her hand carry bag at the NAIA-3.

Combis has been charged before the Pasay City Prosecutor's Office with violation of Section 28 of are. A. 10591, the "Comprehensive Firearms and Ammunition Regulation Act. ".

A Japanese, who was earlier arrested after airport police found two. 44 caliber bullets in his luggage bag, has been released after posting a P40,000 bail.

However, he needs to work out for the extension of his visa before the Bureau of Immigration as he needs to stay longer in the country to face his case filed before the Pasay City Regional Trial Court. His first hearing has been set for November 16.

With the problems facing tourists and OFWs, Recto said the presidential desk could serve as "a place where travellers can lodge complaints for bad service and recommend commendations for good ones. ".

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1793999]So Skogis, no chance of taking a 'tool box' to North Korea. Maybe they see vibes etc as some sort of imperialist trick to educate their ladies into the more 'conservative' side of western life?[/QUOTE]HM great idea but you could head for a rough ride through customs and other sucurity spots before entering the fat ones republic. Atleast I believe you had to leave them behind and fetch them again on your way out of the country. Nothing I could establish as a fact but I heard rumours the fat one (great leader) gets flown in girls from some african countries (not the most developed and democratic ones but still) so he could arrange his sexparties (if he has them or not I don't know).
Other members of my group where taken in for questioning as they managed to sneek in some spywear(small cameras etc). The tourguides/guards found out but they were pretty much fine about it. U know the great leader likes only to view the great stuff like the empty amusementpark, the empty high so hospital(only 2/3 rooms where equipped but still), ski resort etc etc. The only thing i refused to do was to bow infront of the great leaders picture and statues(had to draw the line somewhere). Others than that finding oneself beeing as grey as possible in the middle of the group suited me prefectly.

Hello folks.

Please help out a first timer to Philippines. I have contributed ample to forums in Mexico and Caribbean. Please guide me for my first trip last week of Nov.

I plan on being there Nov 21 to 30. I am not sure how to split my time between Angeles City and any other destination. Can you help me pick which city to visit in addition to Angeles city?

Here are my criteria:

1) I am looking to spend $60 or so max per session with a girl.

2) I do 1 or 2 sessions per day.

3) Not a crazy drinker.

4) Hotel budget max $60 per night. Maybe higher if quality of girls is excellent.

5) I am 40 - living in US.

6) I look forward to threesomes and BBBJ hopefully with CIM too.

7) Bonus points for activities. Snorkel / scuba, safe place to run 5-10 miles, etc. Day activites, trips, etc. Quite secondary to quality of girls though.

I RTFF but could not compare the cities.

In addition any recommendations for BJ bars where quality of BJ is excellent?

Thanks folks.

Just further to my earlier posts about avoiding NAIA during APEC, here is advice about road closures etc.

Malate / Ermita will be affected as will MOA, so my advice is to avoid Manila all together.

If you must visit between November 16 - 20, take note of this:

[URL]http://apec2015.ph/2015/10/27/apec-aelm-road-advisories/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1794694]Just further to my earlier posts about avoiding NAIA during APEC, here is advice about road closures etc.

Malate / Ermita will be affected as will MOA, so my advice is to avoid Manila all together.

If you must visit between November 16 - 20, take note of this:

[URL]http://apec2015.ph/2015/10/27/apec-aelm-road-advisories/[/URL][/QUOTE]Nice link RK and I am trying to revisit my plans.

Now in line with the general discussion on NAIA and its reputation this is from the papers today.

Etihad, major carrier is diverted to Clark. And Etihad came out very fast an told the reasons. Am sure there will be spin on this but I trust Etihad as I know some of the pilot and they don't like flying to Manila as can never trust when they can land. I have left Dubai early on Emirates, arrived (n the air that) is 20 minutes before we are supposed to, yet got to the gate 30 minutes AFTER the scheduled arrival time. Many unhappy people and the captain was very honest.

So imagine this and APEC. Total chaos but am sure the authorities will tell everyone the carrier was at fault LOL.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/business/2015/11/01/1517218/naia-clark-congestion-causes-10-hour-flight-ordeal[/URL]

[QUOTE=MSClive;1794426]Hello folks.

Please help out a first timer to Philippines. I have contributed ample to forums in Mexico and Caribbean. Please guide me for my first trip last week of Nov.

I plan on being there Nov 21 to 30. I am not sure how to split my time between Angeles City and any other destination. Can you help me pick which city to visit in addition to Angeles city?

Here are my criteria:

1) I am looking to spend $60 or so max per session with a girl.

2) I do 1 or 2 sessions per day.

3) Not a crazy drinker.

4) Hotel budget max $60 per night. Maybe higher if quality of girls is excellent.

5) I am 40 - living in US.

6) I look forward to threesomes and BBBJ hopefully with CIM too.

7) Bonus points for activities. Snorkel / scuba, safe place to run 5-10 miles, etc. Day activites, trips, etc. Quite secondary to quality of girls though.

I RTFF but could not compare the cities.

In addition any recommendations for BJ bars where quality of BJ is excellent?

Thanks folks.[/QUOTE]You have quite a list. Anyway,

1. $60 is roughly 2400 pesos. It will surely get you ST in Manila. In Angeles LT is between 2000-3000 pesos. LT does not mean they will stay and fuck you all night. Some might.

Depending on what type of girls you are looking for cost will be all over the place. You can read the forum and get good ideas of where to find girls, how much they cost, hotels prices etc.

2. ST can be had for 1500 in Manila. In AC bars it is strictly taking the girl out of the bar unless you meet some freelancers. Once again read the forum.

3. Drinks generally cost 100 pesos to 300 pesos both Manila and AC. If you buy a girl a drink cost approx 300 pesos.

4. For $60 you can find some hotels with breakfast for two. In AC you can find cheaper hotels.

5. It does not matter if you 99 years old and can still fuck. In Phi normal as well as prostitutes do not care about the age. However they do want you to be clean, nicely dressed and behave friendly and treat girls nice.

6. All your sexual preferences can be discussed with willing girls including the cost both in Manila and AC. It is highly unlikely girls will act like lesbians. However money talks in requesting special favors.

7. All other leisure activities can be had but they are far from Manila or AC. Read the forum.

There are BJ bars in AC. I have never tried it because I like the girls I stay with to give BJ. Not sure how good BJ bar girls are.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1794843]You have quite a list. Anyway,

SNIP

There are BJ bars in AC. I have never tried it because I like the girls I stay with to give BJ. Not sure how good BJ bar girls are.[/QUOTE]BJ bars in AC are located on Raymond St (near Rosario St) and Santos St (between Fields Ave / Kokomo's bar, and Johnny Street). These bars specialize in short-time BJ's. You can take the girl in a back room for a short BJ session, or to your room for 2 hours. Most of these girls will be giving 2-4 (or more) BJ's in their 12-hour shift each day, so they get fairly good at it. Keep in mind you are taking a girl who might have CIM'd a gent 5 minutes before you arrived at the bar. Mostly these girls aren't very attractive, but I have found a number of gems there over the years, real lookers on occasion (and posted in the PG).

Clive, when Sammon is talking 1500 for ST in Manila, he is talking freelancers, to be found in bars like LA Caf or G-Point in Malate, or Burgos street girls in Makati. There are bunches of these types of girls, and if you want extra goodies, money talks. BBBJ is the norm in SE Asia (unlike Mex / Carrib / central Am, where cover is the norm). You will not find that low price point in gogo bars in Manila (where girls dance on stage in negligee or bathing suit; & there is a barfine p1500-4000 + girl tip same amount).

Sammon has lots of good info as usual. I have recently been to Subic (and AC) and highly recommend. I actually like Subic better than AC. See my report in AC thread. Bus from Subic back to Ermita, Manila is 1100 P. Private car from AC to Subic 3000 P, bus is must cheaper. Have fun. [QUOTE=MS Clive;.

Please help out a first timer to Philippines. How to split my time between Angeles City and any other destination. / QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MSClive;1794426]Hello folks.

Please help out a first timer to Philippines. I have contributed ample to forums in Mexico and Caribbean. Please guide me for my first trip last week of Nov.

I plan on being there Nov 21 to 30. I am not sure how to split my time between Angeles City and any other destination. Can you help me pick which city to visit in addition to Angeles city?

Here are my criteria:

1) I am looking to spend $60 or so max per session with a girl.

2) I do 1 or 2 sessions per day.

3) Not a crazy drinker.

4) Hotel budget max $60 per night. Maybe higher if quality of girls is excellent.

5) I am 40 - living in US.

6) I look forward to threesomes and BBBJ hopefully with CIM too.

7) Bonus points for activities. Snorkel / scuba, safe place to run 5-10 miles, etc. Day activites, trips, etc. Quite secondary to quality of girls though.

I RTFF but could not compare the cities.

In addition any recommendations for BJ bars where quality of BJ is excellent?

Thanks folks.[/QUOTE]First of all 9 days isn't that much time coming from the USA but it is what it is.

You have 4 monger destinations near Manila; AC, Manila, Subic, and Puerta Galera. Subic is not a beach town in a classic sense but does have a laid back vibe and is an hour away from AC so you would feel a difference in locales but not that much. You could do those 2 w / out loosing time to travel. The talent in Subic is cheaper and considerably lower tier ladies, some good ones mixed in though but you have to search them out, FLs not much there. I was there last February and I liked it because it is a different scene, considerably cheaper than AC.

Or you can check out Puerta Galera, a 2 hour bus / 2 hour boat ride from AC. PG is a very nice island / seaside town that is a world away from the normal Philippines scene. Very picturesque w / diving / snorkeling / cheap boat rental / tons of islands w / cool little beaches. It also has a small go go scene w / nice talent, the ladies there were low miles, innocent and friendly and many stay LT.

Lastly Manila which is an ugly poverty stricken city. I was there 3 weeks ago and stayed in Makati (upscale area), I focused on Burgos St where the go go girls will set you back anywhere from $60 to $130. At night the street comes alive w / all sorts of action, you can find nice FLs on the street for (on average) 2000 p which is in your price range. Makati is quite different from AC and the ladies are prettier and will not discriminate like some do in AC or PG. Travel time is 90 minutes by car (2700 p) or bus 2 hours (150 p), total cost in bus is approx. 450 p. Trike to AC bus station (Dau) 100 p, bus 150 p, taxi to hotel under 150 p. Taking the bus is easy and saves you $50 so what's not to like.

So knowing what I know about these 4 places is I would go to AC 5 / 6 days, the last few days if you want easy and cheap, Subic, if you want beautiful island w women then Puerta Galera (Manila prices 3000 p go go girls), or Makati where there are prettier ladies in the bars but also a higher price tag. The bar I took from had very nice quality 2600 to bar, 3000 p to lady for short time. There are other options in Makati like FLs on Burgos, Havana Cafe (FLs) LA Cafe Lower tier FLs, some keepers in there I'm told. There is plenty of options in Makati but generally for bar guys like me more pricey.

All prices have gone up from February to now in AC, Subic, Manila. Also keep in mind go go girls are medically check each week. If there is a problem you can find the lady at the bar you took her from. And lastly bar girls are generally prettier than their FL counterparts. That is my opinion and there are exceptions but I like pulling from the bars.

Maybe AC, Subic and spend last night in Makati w / short trip to airport. Then you will have experienced 3 different PI locales. Good luck.

I'll post a few pics of my AC and Makati ladies in the PG.

This has actually gotten worse, there is a story online from a person inside the operation saying they target 20 people a day at least and demand 30,000 as the standard or "go to jail".

A young guy from the US, building churches in Palawan was nabbed going to Boracay with his parents, he was told he could pay his way out but he told the authorities to send him to jail instead.

Hopefully the upcoming APEC thing and the news will get them to lay low. I'd like to say stop but this is the place with brand new terminals yet pushes 75% of it's visitors through the worst airport terminal in the region.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1794274]A few weeks ago there were postings about the scam at NAIA airport where security staff, police were putting bullets and or white powder into travelers' bags, asking for money, if not paid arresting the innocent victim. Apparently the situation has got serious since that time with the situation spinning out of control. Below is part of an article out of the Manila Bulletin of yesterday. As posting of email addresses is not allowed on this forum, I would suggest you read the full article on the Manila Bulletin of 31 October.

Uproar over NAIA bullet mess widens.

October 31,2015.

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By Mario be. Casayuran, Hannah L. Torregoza, and Ariel Fernandez.

Despite public outcry over "tanim-bala" (bullet-planting) cases at the country's premiere airport, there seems to be no end to this mess that is already scaring tourists and overseas Filipino workers (OFWs).

Yesterday, it was reported that two more passengers set to leave the country were arrested after the discovery of bullets in their luggage bags at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 2 (NAIA-2).

With the widening uproar over the bullet mess, Senate President Pro Tempore Ralph G. Recto called on Malacaang to straighten out the mess by setting up a "Presidential Action and Complaint Desk" at the country's premier gateway to serve as a "one-stop, on-the-spot troubleshooting center" for OFWs and other travellers.

But Presidential Communications Operations Secretary Herminio Coloma Jr. Said the government has already installed public assistance desks at airports to address any concerns of OFWs and other passengers. He assured that government employees are there to serve the public and address their needs.

Likewise, calls for a congressional inquiry in the Senate continue to gain support, with presidential aspirant Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago being the latest to join fellow lawmakers in calling for an investigation into the persistent reports of tanim-bala cases.

Santiago said these reports of unsuspecting travelers to the Philippines, including the country's migrant workers, falling prey to the modus operandi "underline inaction on the part of government. ".

"The reports highlight how corruption defeats the purpose of law enforcement. Second, they raise a legitimate question on the implementation of the law on the illegal possession of ammunition. Finally, they underline inaction on the part of government," Santiago said.

NEW VICTIMS.

The latest victims of the bullet mess are Pancho M. Salgado, 65, of Taytay, Rizal; and Chris Valerie Panopio Mendoza, Sampaloc Manila. Salgado allegedly yielded an armalite bullet while entering NAIA-2, while a. 45 caliber bullet was confiscated from the luggage bag of Mendoza.

Salgado was bound for Osaka, Japan, while Mendoza was supposed to leave for Dubai, United Arab Emirates, when they were held by airport authorities. Both are currently detained at the PNP Aviation Security Group detention center while awaiting bail.

Last Thursday, Revelina A. Combis, 68, of South Poblacion, Dipaculao, Aurora, was prevented from boarding Philippine Airlines flight PR 2041 bound for Caticlan, Boracay, after members of the Office for Transportation Security (OTS) found a. 45 caliber bullet allegedly inside her hand carry bag at the NAIA-3.

Combis has been charged before the Pasay City Prosecutor's Office with violation of Section 28 of are. A. 10591, the "Comprehensive Firearms and Ammunition Regulation Act. ".

A Japanese, who was earlier arrested after airport police found two. 44 caliber bullets in his luggage bag, has been released after posting a P40,000 bail.

However, he needs to work out for the extension of his visa before the Bureau of Immigration as he needs to stay longer in the country to face his case filed before the Pasay City Regional Trial Court. His first hearing has been set for November 16.

With the problems facing tourists and OFWs, Recto said the presidential desk could serve as "a place where travellers can lodge complaints for bad service and recommend commendations for good ones. ".[/QUOTE]

As maybe WR remember I was talking about travelling down to Cebu to have a couple of nights stay there as I know some very nice clubbing chicks (I've even flew one in to Makati at one stage some time ago). As it happened I got hold of some nice gems as usual also here in Makati and as travelling in phils only makes me in bad mood I had to make decission and the decission was to cancell my Mariott hotel in Cebu and the Phillipine Airline flights taking me there. Easier said than done.

I did book the room a tad smaller than the presidential suite at Mariott and it was fully refundable if I cancelled 24 hrs before arrival time (which I did). It was close to 30000 p for 2 nights. The PR flight was the most and refundable flex biz ticket at almost 18000 p. Refundable in my life and in any other western airline is you can only manage your own booking and you cancell or rebook. Not so easy with Phil air.

I called Mariott well before 24 hrs of my checkin time and it was all a hazzle. Lastly the girl I spoke to understood I wanted to cancell and she would send me a confirmation e mail on my cancellation. Upon today no cancellation e mail has been recieved. I guess they probably wait to send it until after my designated chack in time so theycan atleast charge me for 1 night stay. Lets see I don't bother to go through any more hazzle concerning this and will at a later stage see what kind of ammount is deducted from my CC and I rather complain to Mariotts intl booking phone at a later stage (I am sorry I did not call them first place as they have american booking lines handled by phil callcenter ofcourse).

Phil Air was another story. In the rules from my fully refundable ticket I read I was able to have full refund ex 1000 no show fee each leg. Thats fair but nothing I know of from the western world. If I by the most expensive tickets with ie Emirates I can get refunded my money in total without any hazzle almost same day I make the cancellation. And I just have to go to "Manage mybooking" to do so. Phil air has also a "Manage my booking" page but with no option of cancell flight ofcourse. I call their designated onlinebooking number and spoke to a girl. She did not understood the word of "cancell" atleast she pretended she did not. She wanted me to rebook. I told her I don't want a rebook, I want refunded my money. This is why people book most expensive ticket to have option to cancell if plans are changed. Then after I ranted a while how shitty this airline is and why they had to make everything so difficult she asked me to send a confirmation e mail of my booking to "onlinebooking-refund" etc where I had to write why I wanted a refund and the reason for my confirmation. Foam was coming from my mouth and I just said ok as more rant was not called for.

Actually I recieved an e mail from them stating my refund and cancellation was processing. It will take 30 days according to this e mail and if nothing happened by then I got a new e mail I could respond to (after 30 days).

As we have had earlier rants about philippino airlines it all stands clear to me now: they don't want to refund any money as this is with intl creditcompanies today an easy breeze. This is just venting as yesterday I was angry enough, not bcs of maybe money lost, but all the hazzle you have to go through to soul the smallest issues in this country.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1795042]As maybe WR remember I was talking about travelling down to Cebu to have a couple of nights stay there as I know some very nice clubbing chicks (I've even flew one in to Makati at one stage some time ago). As it happened I got hold of some nice gems as usual also here in Makati and as travelling in phils only makes me in bad mood I had to make decission and the decission was to cancell my Mariott hotel in Cebu and the Phillipine Airline flights taking me there. Easier said than done.

I did book the room a tad smaller than the presidential suite at Mariott and it was fully refundable if I cancelled 24 hrs before arrival time (which I did). It was close to 30000 p for 2 nights. The PR flight was the most and refundable flex biz ticket at almost 18000 p. Refundable in my life and in any other western airline is you can only manage your own booking and you cancell or rebook. Not so easy with Phil air.

I called Mariott well before 24 hrs of my checkin time and it was all a hazzle. Lastly the girl I spoke to understood I wanted to cancell and she would send me a confirmation e mail on my cancellation. Upon today no cancellation e mail has been recieved. I guess they probably wait to send it until after my designated chack in time so theycan atleast charge me for 1 night stay. Lets see I don't bother to go through any more hazzle concerning this and will at a later stage see what kind of ammount is deducted from my CC and I rather complain to Mariotts intl booking phone at a later stage (I am sorry I did not call them first place as they have american booking lines handled by phil callcenter ofcourse).

Phil Air was another story. In the rules from my fully refundable ticket I read I was able to have full refund ex 1000 no show fee each leg. Thats fair but nothing I know of from the western world. If I by the most expensive tickets with ie Emirates I can get refunded my money in total without any hazzle almost same day I make the cancellation. And I just have to go to "Manage mybooking" to do so. Phil air has also a "Manage my booking" page but with no option of cancell flight ofcourse. I call their designated onlinebooking number and spoke to a girl. She did not understood the word of "cancell" atleast she pretended she did not. She wanted me to rebook. I told her I don't want a rebook, I want refunded my money. This is why people book most expensive ticket to have option to cancell if plans are changed. Then after I ranted a while how shitty this airline is and why they had to make everything so difficult she asked me to send a confirmation e mail of my booking to "onlinebooking-refund" etc where I had to write why I wanted a refund and the reason for my confirmation. Foam was coming from my mouth and I just said ok as more rant was not called for.

Actually I recieved an e mail from them stating my refund and cancellation was processing. It will take 30 days according to this e mail and if nothing happened by then I got a new e mail I could respond to (after 30 days).

As we have had earlier rants about philippino airlines it all stands clear to me now: they don't want to refund any money as this is with intl creditcompanies today an easy breeze. This is just venting as yesterday I was angry enough, not bcs of maybe money lost, but all the hazzle you have to go through to soul the smallest issues in this country.[/QUOTE]It may be best advice to say stay well away from the Philippines to avoid flights cancellation and / or worse face airport police and security criminal behavior. With airport police and security effectively an active crime syndicate, travel security and safety is also severely compromised. I am surprised that US airlines are still flying to an airport with such criminal activity associated with flight security.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1795199]It may be best advice to say stay well away from the Philippines to avoid flights cancellation and / or worse face airport police and security criminal behavior. With airport police and security effectively an active crime syndicate, travel security and safety is also severely compromised. I am surprised that US airlines are still flying to an airport with such criminal activity associated with flight security.[/QUOTE]I will check this out this Thursday as I am travelling to somewhere with my cabincrewgirl. I allready talked to her and both of us are aware of the scams. We can according to her use the crewline. Even so since it is 10-20 a day this is happening to, chances is slim it will happen to me. In a worst case scenario I will just pay up and move on. Many will probably just chocke me saying so but I am not spending one single minute in a phil shit hole prison and I rather support corruption to avoid this (I guess no matter what people would say behind a keyboard they will do exactly the same, well maybe they who have a lot of time on their hands will view it differently but I don't have time for this kind of shit). I knew by coming here I walked in to a corrupted country and as I've been to even worse country than phils I am ready to pay up there and then. I have what you can call corruption money on me or as the corrupted police in Caracas once told me as I did not have cash and they stopped me for jail walking: "banko automatico directo (or sth)(they knew where the ATM was). I had to hand over a small bundle of bolivares.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1795199]It may be best advice to say stay well away from the Philippines to avoid flights cancellation and / or worse face airport police and security criminal behavior. With airport police and security effectively an active crime syndicate, travel security and safety is also severely compromised. I am surprised that US airlines are still flying to an airport with such criminal activity associated with flight security.[/QUOTE]I am visiting Philippines end of November. I am going to dodge the bullet (scam) by wrapping my luggage in plastic. Hope that deters the scammers.

[QUOTE=Redcurry;1794943]This has actually gotten worse, there is a story online from a person inside the operation saying they target 20 people a day at least and demand 30,000 as the standard or "go to jail".

A young guy from the US, building churches in Palawan was nabbed going to Boracay with his parents, he was told he could pay his way out but he told the authorities to send him to jail instead.

Hopefully the upcoming APEC thing and the news will get them to lay low. I'd like to say stop but this is the place with brand new terminals yet pushes 75% of it's visitors through the worst airport terminal in the region.[/QUOTE]The Philippines has been a shit hole since its creation and nothing will change that. Murder, theft, kidnapping, corrupt officials, scams etc. Nothing will stop mongers / tourist from visiting the shit. Like flies.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1795042]As maybe WR remember I was talking about travelling down to Cebu to have a couple of nights stay there as I know some very nice clubbing chicksI did book the room a tad smaller than the presidential suite at Mariott and it was fully refundable if I cancelled 24 hrs before arrival time (which I did). It was close to 30000 p for 2 nights. The PR flight was the most and refundable flex biz ticket at almost 18000 p. Refundable in my life and in any other western airline is you can only manage your own booking and you cancell or rebook. Not so easy with Phil air.

Phil Air was another story. In the rules from my fully refundable ticket I read I was able to have full refund ex 1000 no show fee each leg. Thats fair but nothing I know of from the western world. As we have had earlier rants about philippino airlines it all stands clear to me now: they don't want to refund any money as this is with intl creditcompanies today an easy breeze. This is just venting as yesterday I was angry enough, not bcs of maybe money lost, but all the hazzle you have to go through to soul the smallest issues in this country.[/QUOTE]I do remember and as you are not going maybe we should share and swap contacts LOL as I much prefer Cebuanas.

But you not being in Cebu and flashing your 'polser' at many Cebuanas is probably a benefit / blessing to the wider population LOL.

Good to meet you and next we may get more time if our 'diaries' don't clash too much.

Emirates can do a refund of $3000+ in about 10 days, PAL just don't want to IMHO ad make it frustrating. Hope you get the Marriott refund otherwise I can recommend a needy 'charity' that needs a roof for 2 days!!

[QUOTE=Skogis;1795042]As maybe WR remember I was talking about travelling down to Cebu to have a couple of nights stay there as I know some very nice clubbing chicks (I've even flew one in to Makati at one stage some time ago). As it happened I got hold of some nice gems as usual also here in Makati and as travelling in phils only makes me in bad mood I had to make decission and the decission was to cancell my Mariott hotel in Cebu and the Phillipine Airline flights taking me there. Easier said than done.

As we have had earlier rants about philippino airlines it all stands clear to me now: they don't want to refund any money as this is with intl creditcompanies today an easy breeze. This is just venting as yesterday I was angry enough, not bcs of maybe money lost, but all the hazzle you have to go through to soul the smallest issues in this country.[/QUOTE]If you decide to go Cebu. Try staying in Radisson Blu. Marriott is a very tired Hotel. Maybe it is one of the worst in the chain.

Science tells us so.

[URL]http://www.thehealthyarchive.info/2014/09/science-confirms-bigger-belly-better.html[/URL]

No wonder WR is so popular with the ladies.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1795998]Science tells us so.

[URL]http://www.thehealthyarchive.info/2014/09/science-confirms-bigger-belly-better.html[/URL]

No wonder WR is so popular with the ladies.[/QUOTE]Voted "Mr. Philippines 2104".

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1795998]Science tells us so.

[URL]http://www.thehealthyarchive.info/2014/09/science-confirms-bigger-belly-better.html[/URL]

No wonder WR is so popular with the ladies.[/QUOTE]Thanks RK and Westie but you can PM me for the other reasons I am so popular as so many. This is just jealousy as you are skinny guys LOL.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1796026]Voted "Mr. Philippines 2104".[/QUOTE]Another example of the low standards in the Phils.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1796026]Voted "Mr. Philippines 2104".[/QUOTE]Thank god it is not 2014 but 2104. Who cares what happens in the next century?

[QUOTE=Socker;1794933]You have 4 monger destinations near Manila; AC, Manila, Subic, and Puerta Galera.
I'll post a few pics of my AC and Makati ladies in the PG.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the advice, folks. Socker and the others. I have never heard of Puerta Galera so I will consider that as well.

Looking forward to the pics, Socker.

If any of you folks need some stuff from the homeland of the US of A let me know.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1796074]Another example of the low standards in the Phils.[/QUOTE]Not really Mogwai more of higher standards I am bring to the country and its cuties LOL.

But as I am Mr Philippines RK and Westie what is my prize LOL.

Continue to follow reports on bullet scam at NAIA.

Philippines reports that police have recorded 30 alleged cases of the scam, known locally as "tanim bala," between January and November 2015.

Manila International Airport Authority says there have been five alleged cases in the past two weeks.

Government officials say the matter is being investigated, but presidential spokesman Herminio Coloma Jr. Insists the cases are isolated.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1796026]Voted "Mr. Philippines 2104".[/QUOTE]I think you will be too old by then.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1796232]Continue to follow reports on bullet scam at NAIA.

Philippines reports that police have recorded 30 alleged cases of the scam, known locally as "tanim bala," between January and November 2015.

Manila International Airport Authority says there have been five alleged cases in the past two weeks.

Government officials say the matter is being investigated, but presidential spokesman Herminio Coloma Jr. Insists the cases are isolated.[/QUOTE]The presidential spokesman fella is desperately trying to cover something up. I wonder why.

Just be really careful when traveling through the Manila airport snake pit.

Hello from Jambo,

I live in the Subic area now, and I will make posts about that area. I've also traveled and made reports about Davao, General Santos City (GENSAN), Cagayan de Oro (CDO), Dipolog, Cebu, and Makati. I've spent time in Malaysia as well, but the forum there seems full of "bro's" haha.

Thanks for being here and not banning me!

Apparently scam only happens on departures.

Tell them spent all your cash on hols, don't carry cards. Only got P5000 left over. They will grab it.

Then ask for their email address so you can arrange to send the balance.

Finally request a selfie (evidence) LOL.

The new propaganda now is that the bullets scam is a Filipino tradition used to scare off ghosts. LOL.

MANILA, Philippines – The bullet-planting scam at Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) has just taken on a whole new level of stupidity – on Tuesday alone, four people, including an elderly Fil-Am passenger, were taken into custody for having bullets in their luggage.

Authorities said 'not one of them disputed the claim brought against them,' however stories of 'he said – she said' seem to making their way around the halls of NAIA as of lately.

The only person to dispute the fact was the 77-year-old Santiago Peñaflorida's daughter, who claimed in disbelief that the ammunition found her in father's bag had to be planted.

Santiago Peñaflorida was said to be headed to LOS Angeles, California aboard Philippine Airlines.

He was stopped at 6 pm At the initial security screening checkpoint at NAIA terminal #2 after security personnel saw the bullet on X-ray monitors inside of his locked backpack.

His daughter went 'ballistic' and accused security personnel of planting the ammunition in his bag – security officials refused to open the backpack and waited until members of the media arrived.

Peñaflorida calmly stated that they had already departed from the Iloilo Airport before landing at NAIA where no bullet was detected or discovered.

Once the duo decided to open the backpack themselves, a. 32 cal. Bullet was discovered inside – Peñaflorida, who conceded, was invited for questioning to the Avsegroup-NCR headquarters.

Earlier that same day, 27-year-old Marilou Rose Espinola, who was bound for Bacolod at NAIA terminal #3 was also discovered to have a bullet in her luggage.

The bullet was discovered at 9:30 am In her hand-carry-on bag after it went through X-ray at the initial security screening checkpoint at the departure area at gate #2.

Espinola told security officials that she had brought the bullet with her after discovering it in Quezon City, she said she did not know that it was a prohibited item at the airport.

At 2 pm On Tuesday, 33-year-old Rowena Otic of Nueva Ecija was sending off her one sibling bound for Dubai when she was intercepted at NAIA terminal #3 for carrying two. 38 cal. Bullets, each one placed in a separate red pouch.

Otic told reports that she always carries the bullets as her protections against hexes or any other forms of danger – she admitted that she forgot to take them out of handbag, saying "I also thought only passengers were inspected and arrested for having bullets," – the bullets, she added, were given to her by a healer.

Two hours later, at approximately 4 pm 48-year-old Milagrosa Candiente was apprehended at gate #6 in terminal #3 after a 9 mm cal. Bullet was discovered in her wallet.

Once again the bullet was encased in a red pouch – she admitted that she knew the bullets were banned from the airport but she forgot to take her 'charm' out of her bag.

Cadiente said she was at NAIA to pickup her employer who was returning from Japan – she called on lawmakers to amend the Comprehensive Firearms and Ammunition Regulations Act and consider Filipino's observance to tradition.

"It is just stupid to put people in jail for having one or two bullets. They have to understand that Filipinos carry them as charms," she angrily noted.

All four suspects are set to be charged with illegal possession of ammunition under the Comprehensive Firearms and Ammunition Regulation Act in the Pasay City prosecutor's office.

On a side note, several social media chat sites have noted the Filipino tradition of carrying bullets when traveling, or for the sacred use of warding off evil – today's arrests show that two of the four taken into custody were in fact carrying the bullets for that very noted reason.

Oddly, media in the Philippines tends to skirt the issue of carrying bullets for the use of warding off spirits and hoaxes which are heavily embedded in Filipino tradition.

The bullet scam made the Fox News program "On The Record" last night. I bet this thing dies now. I remember a few years ago there was a scam at the Suvarnabhumi Airport (BKK) where travelers were accused of shoplifting and detained by corrupt airport security officers until a bribe was paid. A couple of tourists refused to pay the bribe and were carted off to jail. News of the scam finally hit the international media and that was the end of it. It is very embarrassing for the powers that be to have this kind of shit go on in in their international airports.

[QUOTE=Worf1972;1796481]The new propaganda now is that the bullets scam is a Filipino tradition used to scare off ghosts. LOL.
[/QUOTE]Having been haunted by ghosts on numerous occasions I want to inform the public that bullets offer no protection whatsoever. When thrown the bullets pass right through the spooks, causing them no harm.

Try hard not to be scared. Fear can only increase the ghost's energy. Instead, act calm. You are in the world of the living and a ghost has no power here, which means it can do you no harm. Panicking will only make things worse.

In most cases, these ghosts do not know that they are dead or perhaps need your help. Talking to them to let them know they are dead may help them move on to the next life. If you are brave enough, ask the spirit what he or she wants from you. You may be able to help.

Many ghosts leave when told to, but if this does not work for you, then you will have to resort to other methods. Dark entities cannot cross a line of salt because it repels negative energy. So, before boarding pour a line of salt completely around the aeroplane. Your flight will now be ghost free. Happy travels!

It bears repeating that pinoy are still largely superstitious, not unlike central americans (ala the chupacabra). Just hang around anywhere in phils on Dec. 30 and 31, to listen to all the noise-making to drive out the evil spirits.

A story, and possibly a repeat from a few years ago. While waiting in line at McDonalds (Cebu, Jones St, near the Fuente circle) with my date early one morning for breakfast, a young man of 20-ish and his mother were in line in front of us. A mild argument broke out. The mother accused her son of having his mates over to the home while she was gone, and they broke something (I'm not sure what got broken). He denied it. He denied having his mates over to the house, he denied breaking the item. She wasn't buying it. She said (my date would later translate) something akin to: "I left. You are home alone. I come home. Its broken. You broke it or your friends broke it. Which one?" That's a deft bit of logic, until he claimed evil spirits lived in the house, and the evil spirits broke the item. THEN she bought into his notion.

Loud noises. Bullets. Evil spirits. Jesus de Christo.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1796587]The bullet scam made the Fox News program "On The Record" last night. I bet this thing dies now. I remember a few years ago there was a scam at the Suvarnabhumi Airport (BKK) where travelers were accused of shoplifting and detained by corrupt airport security officers until a bribe was paid. A couple of tourists refused to pay the bribe and were carted off to jail. News of the scam finally hit the international media and that was the end of it. It is very embarrassing for the powers that be to have this kind of shit go on in in their international airports.[/QUOTE]Fox always late with the news LOL Was on BBC a few days ago but then Fox rarely reports mainstream interesting news. I watch it for mild amusement when it is better than watching the paint dry (so to speak).

But I have 'friends' who think Fox is a meaningful news source and find it offensive when I doubt their logic LOL.

I agree it could slowly die now as many pinays I know are facebook trending this with comments about how shameful it is and their government should be ashamed.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1796587]...a few years ago there was a scam at the Suvarnabhumi Airport (BKK) where travelers were accused of shoplifting and detained by corrupt airport security officers until a bribe was paid. [/QUOTE]Isn't this the case when the shapely lady at the duty free shop would slip in a "free gift" that is not accounted for in the receipt and then out of the blue the cops would show up asking to check your purchases "randomly" ?

I think the world reputed shaman WR advises to offer a virgin, just bring the virgin to him and he will conduct a secret religious ceremony that will rid you of ghosts and hauntings for at least six months.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1796592]Having been haunted by ghosts on numerous occasions I want to inform the public that bullets offer no protection whatsoever. When thrown the bullets pass right through the spooks, causing them no harm.

Try hard not to be scared. Fear can only increase the ghost's energy. Instead, act calm. You are in the world of the living and a ghost has no power here, which means it can do you no harm. Panicking will only make things worse.

In most cases, these ghosts do not know that they are dead or perhaps need your help. Talking to them to let them know they are dead may help them move on to the next life. If you are brave enough, ask the spirit what he or she wants from you. You may be able to help.

Many ghosts leave when told to, but if this does not work for you, then you will have to resort to other methods. Dark entities cannot cross a line of salt because it repels negative energy. So, before boarding pour a line of salt completely around the aeroplane. Your flight will now be ghost free. Happy travels![/QUOTE]

The scammers might lay low for a little while but I don't think this will be the end of them. After all they are used to a certain level of income by now and probably have budgeted it like a steady stream of income. They won't go away easily. I imagine they will come up with a different contraband item soon.

What is surprising or not so surprising anymore is the slow or lack of any government (police) action to this. This will drop tourists a good 15-20%. Maybe a lost of billions of pesos in the economy. I guess no one thinks that far ahead.

A simple change in policy to simply confiscate the bullet would put the scammers out of business.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1796144]Thanks for all the advice, folks. Socker and the others. I have never heard of Puerta Galera so I will consider that as well.

Looking forward to the pics, Socker.

If any of you folks need some stuff from the homeland of the US of A let me know.[/QUOTE]Going to AC to enjoy the monger scene is elementary school level mongering. It is very easy to find what you want and very safe on Fields Ave.

Like I said before, hit AC, then a couple of days in Subic, and the last night in Makati. Then you'll see 3 sides of the PI and very little travel downtime.

Pacific Breeze Hotel is a solid 3 star (very friendly) very close to Fields Ave. Buy a seat in the van through the hotel. The bus to Subic will pick you up at the PB. There are a couple hotels I recommend in Subic, iCove (3*) and Harley's (2 1/2*) both inexpensive. Harley's is in a better spot (to me) over looking Subic Bay. Icove is new and modern and on the strip w / all the bars.

A couple days later take the same van to Manila and stay in Makati, I stay at St Giles Hotel (3 1/2*) a short walk to the bars on Burgos St. Burgos St is a lot of fun and very different than anything else you will experience on this itinerary.

This is elementary mongering, very easy for a first timer.

A favorite Subic honey from last February.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1796712]The scammers might lay low for a little while but I don't think this will be the end of them. After all they are used to a certain level of income by now and probably have budgeted it like a steady stream of income. They won't go away easily. I imagine they will come up with a different contraband item soon.

What is surprising or not so surprising anymore is the slow or lack of any government (police) action to this. This will drop tourists a good 15-20%. Maybe a lost of billions of pesos in the economy. I guess no one thinks that far ahead.

A simple change in policy to simply confiscate the bullet would put the scammers out of business.[/QUOTE]The Philippines newspapers (all available on Internet) are all carrying the news that the "bullet" syndicate has now been confirmed by the national Bureau of Investigation who have taken over the case. The syndicate appears to thread through porters, immigration, security staff and police, which means that the main airport of Manila is a real snake pit. Will the snakes stay low, maybe, for sure they will probably merely change their mode of operation. This kind of thing is characteristic of a failed state. If the airport is a snake pit, consider what goes on elsewhere. Ask any Filipino and they will tell you. BE VERY VERY CAREFUL if you must absolutely, vitally travel to Philippines.

Came thru T1 departures the other day and saw the usual thousands of OFWs on their way out. Everyone was aware of the bullet scam but most if not all had luggage and backpacks with exposed pockets, including myself. I saw a few bags Saran wrapped but brilliantly a lot of others used duct tape to secure around the bag. More importantly they duct taped over the zippers on the exposed vulnerable pockets! Haha I think I will get some bright yellow or pink duct tape next time out.

Now I fully understand why United Airlines conducts a secondary physical bag, shoe and personal screening at the gate and then keep you coralled in until boarding. Can't trust the T1 security procedures.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1796644]Isn't this the case when the shapely lady at the duty free shop would slip in a "free gift" that is not accounted for in the receipt and then out of the blue the cops would show up asking to check your purchases "randomly" ?[/QUOTE]It happened a few times last year. And when the hapless passenger thinks all is doomed, a tri lingual fellow who claims to have god connections with the police appears and he " negotitates " your release. A well thought out and well practiced scam.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1796846]It happened a few times last year. And when the hapless passenger thinks all is doomed, a tri lingual fellow who claims to have god connections with the police appears and he " negotitates " your release. A well thought out and well practiced scam.[/QUOTE]Isn't it allways nice with good samaritan helpers? Much like me visiting Pattaya a few weeks back (a place I never go to by the way, hehe) and was driving moto in a one way street (wrong direction). Rightfully so I was stopped by a policeofficer who took my lincense and wrote me up a ticket of 400 bhts. Since I was reluctant walking all the way over to the ticketoffice (this was far from soi 9) and I had an upcomming session waiting I wanted this to go away as quickly as possible. Another bikedriver catches my drift, pops in and bring me around a nearby corner. I pay 500 bht in cash to him, the policeofficer throws away my ticket, I get my license back and drove away (this time without helmet as I forgot to put it on).

I posted this in the Angeles thread, but felt it should also go in the General thread as I suspect this airport scam is happening at all Philippines international airports.

For your information, the Philippine Star newspaper today carried an article about security staff at Clark International Airport stopping anyone at security carrying more than Peso 10,000 out of the country. They will say it is illegal and will have to confiscate the money with lots of documentation. Or are willing to forget the whole thing if they get 50% of the amount involved so one can catch the flight.

On departure, this Peso 10,000 rule is very poorly advertised. Be aware of this Clark scam. Probably happening everywhere else in the Philippines. Every government regulation is twisted into a scam.

This behavior is the mirror image of Philippines traffic police behavior who want cash for not writing a ticket and sending one's drivers license to the Traffic authority. Using the later route, there is of course, a fast processing for a 'cash consideration'!

Scamippines.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1797771]I posted this in the Angeles thread, but felt it should also go in the General thread as I suspect this airport scam is happening at all Philippines international airports.

For your information, the Philippine Star newspaper today carried an article about security staff at Clark International Airport stopping anyone at security carrying more than Peso 10,000 out of the country. They will say it is illegal and will have to confiscate the money with lots of documentation. Or are willing to forget the whole thing if they get 50% of the amount involved so one can catch the flight.

On departure, this Peso 10,000 rule is very poorly advertised. Be aware of this Clark scam. Probably happening everywhere else in the Philippines. Every government regulation is twisted into a scam.

This behavior is the mirror image of Philippines traffic police behavior who want cash for not writing a ticket and sending one's drivers license to the Traffic authority. Using the later route, there is of course, a fast processing for a 'cash consideration'!

Scamippines[/QUOTE]My bags went through the scanner, P60,000 in hundreds etc. No one said anything. Clark and then Cebu airports. But thanks for reminding us of the 10 rule.

Hmm. Koreans do seem popular here. I realized anglos are pretty much out after seeing two tall handsome German backpackers with drab looking girls, perhaps older than them as well. Minutes later saw a chubby Korean with a pretty nice Filapina behind him (lived in China for 5 years in a city with a large Korean population so I can kinda spot them now).

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1798446]Hmm. Koreans do seem popular here. I realized anglos are pretty much out after seeing two tall handsome German backpackers with drab looking girls, perhaps older than them as well. Minutes later saw a chubby Korean with a pretty nice Filapina behind him (lived in China for 5 years in a city with a large Korean population so I can kinda spot them now).[/QUOTE]I am popular here and that's all I can say. Koreans may be popular too. I don't give a shit in p4 p girls though. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1798460]I am popular here and that's all I can say. Koreans may be popular too. I don't give a shit in p4 p girls though. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Not to offend the offended ones not enjoying people to have a relatively successful mongerlife I meant ofcourse "popular" and not popular. It was all in a humoristic twist ofcourse (to late to edit though). All the time we know where we are, in this dysfunctional country called the phils, the word "popular" I would guess is a relative term. I do have a, almost, hazzlefree mongerlife. In that aspect I feel popular as I read here and in other foras that people have great problems making this life work and it comes with loads of hazzle too. My latest trip (ending today and 46 girls later in a sweet 9 day mongerspree) I do have problems to see any koreans beeing, well, maybe more popular, but not so effective as me, hehe. Its all about great prepwork and timings (the old scrapbook and a pen works nice to keep track of a busy sched) No high tech items needed realy but ofcourse a phone with Smart prepaid comes in handy dealing with pinays.

I must say though, even if I don't trust pinays much, that my girls have very little to non experience with foreign people. Koreans and Korea is ofcourse something / someone theyve heard about but from there to call them favorites would be a bit harsh I guess (not saying norwegians are favorites either). I work in a non proffesional environment when it comes to girls (a few here and there slips under my radar I am sure but still) and to girls like this I guess koreans are as popular or the oposite as other nathionalities. In a bar environment I guess things might differ quite a lot, I would not know. I am sure I could keep up with the koreans also here if I wanted to explore this side of the mongerbiz.

Sometimes mongering is also about quite things down and after 9 days of heavy Makati mongering it was time to cool off with a special someone in Cebu(will write it in the misplaced Cebu thread, my subjective meaning)..

Artisto Art, clean out your PM box. I cannot reply to your Private Message until you do.

Westy.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1797816]My bags went through the scanner, P60,000 in hundreds etc. No one said anything. Clark and then Cebu airports. But thanks for reminding us of the 10 rule.[/QUOTE]Scanners do not pick up paper currency but if you put it in a metal box it is a different story.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1797816]My bags went through the scanner, P60,000 in hundreds etc. No one said anything. Clark and then Cebu airports. But thanks for reminding us of the 10 rule.[/QUOTE]60 k in 100's? That's a thick wad of 100's. Are not 1 k bills better as it can fit in ones pocket easier with no security issues. LOL Just saying.

PC out.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1798567] My latest trip (ending today and 46 girls later in a sweet 9 day mongerspree) .[/QUOTE]Ok Skogis I have to ask that's more than 5 girls per day. What are the logistics of that? Do you penetrate them all? Is there a waiting room or couch where they get warmed up? You are Norways' modern day Wilt Chamberlain. How close are you to 20,000? Heheh.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1798589]Ok Skogis I have to ask that's more than 5 girls per day. What are the logistics of that? Do you penetrate them all? Is there a waiting room or couch where they get warmed up? You are Norways' modern day Wilt Chamberlain. How close are you to 20,000? Heheh.[/QUOTE]Hehe I would not know the exact answer but this has become to me some sort of athleete event. Great exercise in doing this many girls and yes I penetrated all of them but one (felt to tired). Most days between 6 to 8 girls and I even did manage to have a restingday squeezed in for some baby monetoring. I feel pretty effective and the girls come and go around the clock depending on how their scheduel looks like. A normal day would look like this: 11 am, 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm, 7 pm, 9 pm and an overnighter with additional foodsupplies. Somedays even an extra at 11 pm and then an overnighter at 1 am or sth. Callcentergirls arrives mostly after nightshift around 6/7 am so the overnighter has to be gone by then.

I have been experimenting this for a few years now and I find that "my" girls are reliable as most of them seem to attend education at some levels or got jobs. Girls like this know more the meaning of time and even if I was surprised the first time it happened some girls even clock themself in using various apps and maps keeping me informed along their travelling ways. I work quite hard upfront to these girls and adress quite strongly the essense of time and its importance. Works fine by now. Still the main reason them beeing on time I would believe is bcs I choose girls living in or close to Makati boarders so the travellingtime isn't that horrendous for most of them and ofcourse it is easier to be on time.

Very few girls failes but they who do I cancell session and reorganizes my sched as I have put in a lot of subs who are good to go quickly and lives very close. Even had one living in the Makatis "twin towers" which is an easy walk of 8 minutes over to the Ascott. Not the most beautiful but she is a substitute girl and are located conveniently close.

That beeing said, as my last trips have been very high in intensity, I have pretty much maxed out the system. Its been a personal goal to me to see if this is doable or not. Maybe a childish goal but remember even if I am 42 I am only 20 something in my head so bear with me guys I don't have the rockstarfeeling leaving this place as I feel dirty, spend and drained. The system in my world is, as I said, maxed out now. This is it and I will not have this extended scheduel on future trips. The only thing this is good for is the kardio and truth be told I feel in better shape leaving than arriving. Fucking gives great energy to me and unlike some of you guys (we are different) I can not stand operating with these girls more than an hour or two. Longer stays feel to much like relationship and I want to avoid that on all costs. I don't delude the girls into thinking I am a relationship guy but I am not all that honest to them either. Many of these girls looks for relationship and I use my normal twist which can sound something like this: "sweetie as much as I would love spend time with you this oir first meeting you know I have only limited time in town. I am busy businessman (at some levels not untrue) and will leave right away after our meet (here ofcourse new girls arriving all along so that's why I say like this). We have to be effective in our first date so you just come straight outside entrance Glorietta4/ Ascott as it is public and safe both for you and me. I will pick you up and we have small inhouse party my room. I buy whatever you like to drink (normaly it ends with Tanduay and they zip maybe a quarter of a btl). Please don't be late" Most of the girls accept this and some ofcourse ask to bring a friend here and there but then I am strict and tell them no as we meet public place and no danger will come to you outside where I live in Makati. They are fine with this. Duos and trios can ofcourse bring friends as this is the hole purpose.

When girls arrives or agrees to meet outside and I get them inside my room I can not until this day remember fucking not taking place. Maybe it has and I do remember I have stood my grounds for various reason (last trip bcs I was worn out). As I sometimes party hard and collapses I also miss out on a few dates with additional 100's of texts / calls. I feel bad about that, hehe.

So I do not need a waitingroom. The outside of Ascott is waitingroom big enough to atleast have 3 girls waiting for me atthe same time without knowing of eachother ofcourse. Through some sleezy operations I manage to get girls in and out without beeing spotted. This is most due to my heavy warning about timing so most of the girls these days arrives early (not good but hard to get everything in perfect order).

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1798578]60 k in 100's? That's a thick wad of 100's. Are not 1 k bills better as it can fit in ones pocket easier with no security issues. LOL Just saying.

PC out.[/QUOTE]It's not one wad. Each wad is P10,000.

We high rollers need lots of cash. Change is important, never get stuck with them saying "I aint got change". The 60 is with me now back home, minus some. A nice stack of change. Got it all from one long term friend who is cashier in a healthy business, lots of cash coming into her place, on a daily basis. No need for money changers, she matches the best rate in that town on that day. And yes I have counted odd wads to see if there is a hundred or two missing in the wads, but nothing missing. When I can get my hands on a nice bundle of change, and that is when I am in that particular town / city, I get it, grab it. P1000 are no good with taxi drivers, paying for one drink etc. Change, its all about change. I don't carry it around with me, so P1000 denominations not necessary.

Get ahead with your change and transactions go smoothly. No "I haven't got change" coming back at ya. Yeh, I do take a few five hundreds and one thousand denominations when I go out partying at night. I expect my bill to be 2/3000 at some places. Do not use P100's for that.

We high rollers know a thing or two, LOL.

In addition to change I am hedging against currency downgrade. My currency got me 42 last year 32 this year and predicted by all experts to get me 25 or so next year. So got a bundle already at 32 for next year. Little bit of saving there, if the experts are right. Helps.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1798685]It's not one wad. Each wad is P10,000.

We high rollers need lots of cash. Change is important, never get stuck with them saying "I aint got change". The 60 is with me now back home, minus some. A nice stack of change. Got it all from one long term friend who is cashier in a healthy business, lots of cash coming into her place, on a daily basis. No need for money changers, she matches the best rate in that town on that day. And yes I have counted odd wads to see if there is a hundred or two missing in the wads, but nothing missing. When I can get my hands on a nice bundle of change, and that is when I am in that particular town / city, I get it, grab it. P1000 are no good with taxi drivers, paying for one drink etc. Change, its all about change. I don't carry it around with me, so P1000 denominations not necessary.

Get ahead with your change and transactions go smoothly. No "I haven't got change" coming back at ya. Yeh, I do take a few five hundreds and one thousand denominations when I go out partying at night. I expect my bill to be 2/3000 at some places. Do not use P100's for that.

We high rollers know a thing or two, LOL.

In addition to change I am hedging against currency downgrade. My currency got me 42 last year 32 this year and predicted by all experts to get me 25 or so next year. So got a bundle already at 32 for next year. Little bit of saving there, if the experts are right. Helps.[/QUOTE]I hear you and I usually get 2-3 k of 100,50,20's for tips. I usually run out after 5 days and need more so 60 k in $2 bills a good idea. The Uber drivers love a 50 p tip on a 150 p fare. So do the waiters and waitresses when you leave them more than the service fee.

PC out.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1798760]I hear you and I usually get 2-3 k of 100,50,20's for tips. I usually run out after 5 days and need more so 60 k in $2 bills a good idea. The Uber drivers love a 50 p tip on a 150 p fare. So do the waiters and waitresses when you leave them more than the service fee.

PC out.[/QUOTE]Highrolers and only 60 k? I assume we talk pisos here and not $? I don't understand Sxxxx. Whats so highroling?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1798685]It's not one wad. Each wad is P10,000.

We high rollers need lots of cash. Change is important, never get stuck with them saying "I aint got change". The 60 is with me now back home, minus some. A nice stack of change. Got it all from one long term friend who is cashier in a healthy business, lots of cash coming into her place, on a daily basis. No need for money changers, she matches the best rate in that town on that day. And yes I have counted odd wads to see if there is a hundred or two missing in the wads, but nothing missing. When I can get my hands on a nice bundle of change, and that is when I am in that particular town / city, I get it, grab it. P1000 are no good with taxi drivers, paying for one drink etc. Change, its all about change. I don't carry it around with me, so P1000 denominations not necessary.

Get ahead with your change and transactions go smoothly. No "I haven't got change" coming back at ya. Yeh, I do take a few five hundreds and one thousand denominations when I go out partying at night. I expect my bill to be 2/3000 at some places. Do not use P100's for that.

We high rollers know a thing or two, LOL.

In addition to change I am hedging against currency downgrade. My currency got me 42 last year 32 this year and predicted by all experts to get me 25 or so next year. So got a bundle already at 32 for next year. Little bit of saving there, if the experts are right. Helps.[/QUOTE]Please educate me. Didn't know where else to put this.

So coming from Oz. Obviously have to use money changers. How do I get lots of change? How much do you carry around each day? - just food & mongering. I usually get 2 days worth and then top up when run out in Thailand. Can I ask for smaller denominations when I buy stuff? What sort of daily " float" do you have on you?

Sorry but appreciate your experience / knowledge.

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688;1798760]I hear you and I usually get 2-3 k of 100,50,20's for tips. I usually run out after 5 days and need more so 60 k in $2 bills a good idea. The Uber drivers love a 50 p tip on a 150 p fare. So do the waiters and waitresses when you leave them more than the service fee.

PC out.[/QUOTE]Yeh, I got a hundred 50's and hundred 20's at same time. Handy.

As I am a high roller, didn't mention those smaller denominations before, LOL.

Dropping those tips creates good kharma. Came back to me in AC when I left a bag with $2,500 valuable item inside. Trike driver returned bag and contents to me. Had him few times before. Good vibes from me, in the past, got that bag back to me, I reckon. Miracle a trike driver would be so honest. Had to be the positive vibes I had sent out to him on previous occasions, read: "tip" , LOL.

Change for tips, yeh, I agree.