Sao Paulo Reports

Rovnak is spot on as usual. To echo a few comments of his:

1 Photoacompanhantes is great. But set the filter to "girls with reviews" and even then ignore anyone with less than three — they are usually fake. Or just get Mary Ninfeta and call it a day.

2 The google translate integration into WhatsApp is amazing! I conversed for about a month on and off, in Português, with several girls I was considering. It was very cool. And I am still in touch with my favorite sweetheart even as we speak.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2218285]Rovnak is spot on as usual.......................

The google translate integration into WhatsApp is amazing! I conversed for about a month on and off, in Portugus, with several girls I was considering. It was very cool. And I am still in touch with my favorite sweetheart even as we speak.[/QUOTE]Rovnak, very thorough information.

Does anyone know if Google Translate or any other translation app can be embedded into Whatsapp on an I-phone? Thanks.

[URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/ayaka-natsumi/[/URL]

Ayaka was my first taste of SPLove and I am afraid to say she left a bad taste in my mouth and I don't mean her pussy. For 400 R /106 $ that day, it was not a costly experience.

Why was I disappointed? 1st, Ayaka's photos were heavily shopped. She was still beautiful but her beautiful DDs are bolt-ONS and she presented herself as just an above average GDP. She certainly didn't live up to the photos on SPLove.

It was the service. There was no kissing and the first thing she did was put a camasinha on my cock and gave me a CBJ. Then we fucked about 3 different ways before she started an uninspired hand job. Finally she gave up and told me to finish myself! WTF? I put her hands on my cock and made her finish along with me.

After the act, she was very liberal with the wipes. She pulled out one after another and threw them on my stomach and motioned for me to clean myself up.

She told me to try her friend who lives in the same building. Andão theá menina. I was in and out in 30 minutes and this included a shower before and after.

Why so bad? Maybe she took the gringo for a fool? Maybe, she is so young (18) that she doesn't understand customer service and what it takes to earn repeat business and good word of mouth through the chain.

Next stop is Brooklin where two girls cost 320 R and the service is out of this world and the selection is very good.

My first taste of SPLove was bad. I got burned. I would avoid Ayaka. I learned once again that price has very little to do with quality of service or looks in Brazil. It was only one data point but Ayaka was the worst provider that I have had in Sao Paulo since 2010. Shame on me for booking someone so young (18 anos). But look at the photos guys. Can you blame me? I had to see.

Brooklin.

After my disappointment I met my amigo Gus at the restaurant for almoço. He suggested I head over to Brooklyn for the afternoon for a few hours and meet him at his office before the big traffic rush at 4:30 PM.

No sooner than I arrived at Brooklin the moça said my favorite sentence in the Português language: "Meninas Presentaço. " Out they come. The first was a strikingly beautiful petite ruiva (red hair) I would of been happy with her. She bent over to kiss my cheek and said "meu nome e' Frederica. (kiss kiss) prazer. " But she was first I have to enjoy the show. Out comes the 2nd a tall slim dark morena (later I learned that her name is Porsha). I like her. And then the third and the 4th and the 5th. By now I can't remember a single name so I count them on my fingers. Out comes another dark morena (#6). I like her and I am about to pull the trigger but some guy grabs her by the hand and they walk off. I say out loud "Hey! I was going to choose her" and then just then garota # 7 comes out and she looks like a twin of Porsha. Her name is Janaína.

Janaína is about 5'8" tall. She is wearing a short leather skirt and a leather bustier that looks very stressed with her DDs trying to bust free. I grab her hand and inform the madam that I have selected.

In the room Janaína provided the best DFK and the best BBBJ of the trip. I thought about it and said "meia nove" and we were in a 69. I stayed like this for SOG #1. Janaína cleaned me up and then I asked for a massage. She gave me a full body massage with me lying on my belly messaging my neck, back ass cheeks thighs etc and then she decided to wake up Hungry jr. With first, her hands and then her mouth.

She put the condom on and we did mpos and she was outstanding. I went into doggie (I believe they call this "quatro") and then pulled out and came in her willing mouth for SOG #2.

Incredible. I told her I was done but I would sit out in the lobby and just meet the other girls. There were about 15-20 working and a third were knock outs and 3/4 were fuckable.

The women at the desk asked me in Portuguese if I was satisfied. I gave Janaína Hi marks. The women said yes, she gives great service.

I have listed a few names of notable garotas.

At 220 R which is currently 58 $, Brooklin is the best deal going anywhere in my opinion.

I shall return!

Janaína. Morena DDs body kissed by the sun.

Monalisa. Striking beauty.

Raquel. Taller, beautiful.

Freida. Small spinner ruiva.

Danny. Beautiful petite morena.

Porsha. Tall, sun-kissed Morena with braces.

Caution: Nobody speaks a word of English so bone-up or have your translator ready. I use this as an opportunity to work on my Portuguese.

Photo of Janaína to come.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2218474][URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/ayaka-natsumi/[/URL]

Ayaka was my first taste of SPLove and I am afraid to say she left a bad taste in my mouth and I don't mean her pussy. For 400 R /106 $ that day, it was not a costly experience.

Why was I disappointed? 1st, Ayaka's photos were heavily shopped. She was still beautiful but her beautiful DDs are bolt-ONS and she presented herself as just an above average GDP. She certainly didn't live up to the photos on SPLove.

It was the service. There was no kissing and the first thing she did was put a camasinha on my cock and gave me a CBJ. Then we fucked about 3 different ways before she started an uninspired hand job. Finally she gave up and told me to finish myself! WTF? I put her hands on my cock and made her finish along with me..[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I think sharing the bad experiences is more important than sharing the good ones on this forum. There is a lot that others can learn from this example. First, I don't blame you for taking a flyer on an escort. My best times in 2018 have been with free lancers and this is the trend guys. More and more GPS are going free lance because with better communications and transportation it makes sense for a lot of them to do so. Last night I had an incredibly good experience with a free lancer. Her story is exemplary in a good way. She is in her late 20's, had worked at a clinica years ago, then got into a relationship, stopped for years, now has a full time job but wants a little extra cash, so she posted an ad on photoacompanhantes. Now, I screened her extensively and chatted for quite a bit before actually scheduling. It was worth the effort to minimize the risk of a bad encounter, which is really all you can ever do. Minimize the risk of a bad encounter. You can never guarantee that it will be great.

Not capping on you HS, but you could have minimized or eliminated your risk by following the following basic steps. I followed your link. I thought "yeah, she is hot looking". Next, I clicked on the phone number, right click, search in google. BOOM. A page of results. I scan page looking for a gp-guia link. BOOM. Follow link to her gpguia page ".

"Ayume / Yoko Leal / Sakura Leal / Pietra Leal / Pietra Massagista / R$ 350,00 - 300 Min".

Flashing red right away when I see she has used various names. Full red when I that she has 1 page of reviews with 2 negative reports, 1 positive report and several reports that were deleted by admins for being suspected of being false. So she has a horrible gpguia profile. But she had 1 positive you might say. Next, I look at the posting history of the authors. The first detailed negative TD was by a guy with 29 TDs and a long history of posting. The one positive review registered as a new user on the day they posted the positive review, suggesting it is probably fake. Thats about all I need to see and I don't even need to read the details. All of that can be done without any understanding of Portuguese. And to read the details, one could use google translate. In 1 minute I have eliminated this escort.

Next. Even without before going to gpguia I was skeptical be / see she had clearly professional photos and she shows her face and she is on a less trustworthy site. 3 flags. I mentioned several weeks ago that I recommend photoacompanhantes (with caveats) and recommend not visiting the other flashy sites precisely because the flashy sites are populated by "veteran" pros that have become TOO professional. One tip off is the professional photos, guaranteed to be photoshopped. I like photoacompanhantes because it is self service and the escorts can post simple "caseira" photos. It also aggressively links the announcements to gpguia TDs based on telephone number.

A word on showing the face. Of course I prefer to see the escorts face. Its very important to me. I hate booking without seeing the face. But. And this is important. I have learned the hard way that the ones who do show their faces "tend" to be overly professional. That is a "tendency" not a rule". There are some quality escorts that show their face. But I have become more and more suspicious of such ads. It is also a tip that the photos might be bait and switch. On photoacompahantes, there are some bait and switch ads, and I am pretty sure they are ones that do show faces. They probably steal photos from instagram and use them in a bait and switch fashion. Those are what I would call the "too good to be true" ads on photoacompanhantes. So this sounds like a catch 22. I want to see the face but I don't trust the ads that show the face. I do trust some of the ads that show the face IF the phone number is linked to good reviews OR the photos are clearly selfie types but not "instagram type" selfies. LOL. I know it sounds complicated but its really not. The selfie photos taken in motels are not "instagram type". Instagram types are photos of girls on beaches and in public spaces etc which are too good to be true. So there is a lot that can be gleaned by observing the photos. Now what if there is no face at all? Ironically, I find this encouraging because I understand that most GPS want to protect their privacy and the students and part timers in particular. But I still want to see their face. So. On to Whatsapp, game changer. Start the conversation on whataapp. If she starts in immediately with "when do you want to see me baby", that is a bad sign. If she gets irritated with a few questions, that is a bad sign. If she seems responsive, I eventually ask her to send me "foto do rosto simples", meaning a simple face photo, not a full body nude, just a simple face photo. About 50% of the responsive ones will do that. Some refuse and I respect that but I usually say "without seeing your face its hard for me to schedule with confidence, I'll think about it". Sometimes they come back later and send the face photo. Otherwise I move on to the 50% that do show the face. Once in a blue moon I will book one who refuses to show the face if our conversation is otherwise super copacetic. Those experiments have worked out well in general.

These is pretty simple trade craft that can help you maximize success and minimize disappointments.

Cheers.

Thanks Rovnak.

I deserve the criticism. I usually do this type of vetting but this time I did not. I took a chance and I got burned. But, it wasn't too expensive of a lesson after all. I need to get used to GP Guia as a habit. It certainly wasn't the money that I wasted. It was the time. Next time I will either do my homework or stick to the old reliable privies.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2218583]Thanks Rovnak.

I deserve the criticism. I usually do this type of vetting but this time I did not. I took a chance and I got burned. But, it wasn't too expensive of a lesson after all. I need to get used to GP Guia as a habit. It certainly wasn't the money that I wasted. It was the time. Next time I will either do my homework or stick to the old reliable privies.[/QUOTE]No, we owe you a thank you for sharing a learning experience. I had thought about writing these tips for appraising escort ads but I was not sufficiently motivated. Your post gave me a good excuse because it was a great real world case study with active links.

Even with my extreme vetting I still get burned occasionally. A few months ago I saw an ad in vivalocal that caught my eye. I was a bit suspicious that the GP might be heavier than I like, my max is usually a falsa magra. So I asked her on whatsapp to send me a better photo, and she said "I will even do a video call". So she called me and held the camera up and I thought she looked great. She arrived and was like 2 x larger than I expected. In retrospect I realized she was holding the phone at an angle that minimized her girth. Since she had come to me, I told her I would pay her a cancellation fee and her uber back and she was cool about it. Still my night was ruined be / see I lost the op to do anything else. So this stuff happens and we move on.

Rovnak, your post on extreme vetting is hall of fame material. This is why we fucking love you!

Here is a photo of Janaina of Brooklin. She has some of the same features as Porsha of Brooklin accept Janaina has larger breasts. Several girls have this look there.

I want to say something about what I assume to be the Paulista look. I like these brown eyed girls with slightly darker skin and straight black hair. I assume that they have some Indian influence with the higher cheek bones and 365 day tan...maybe even some African influence.. but please, they do not look like typical black women. It seems every time I go to Europe and I hear there are Brazileiras in the FKK etc, I meet them and they look like black women from the inner cities back home USA. There is nothing wrong with this but this is not what I am looking for. I am looking for this beautiful mixture of Europe/Indian/and just a hint of black.

I am currently enthralled with this look. I love it more than anything else. The nice prominent firm bunda, the long legs, the sun-kissed body, the creamy skin, the high cheek bones, brown eyes and jet black hair - long and straight. I want to pursue women like this. Is this the Paulista look? It is to me. I love it.

Ha ha, you can't see her face. Maybe this is the Paulista body?

I made a final run at Brooklin tonight and my old favorite privy didn't disappoint.

I intended to do Tangará but I couldn't find the address and panicked. The good news is that Brooklin turned out to be a mere 7 minutes further.

I walked into the parlor and heard a familiar voice say "meninas presentação. " I thought, get ready for the show Hungry. A few moments later. Here they come! Girl 1 is a petite ruiva named Fredrika but you can't take the first one. Girl 2 is nice but I'm looking for something else. Girl 3 is tempting but I prefer girl 4. Her name is Amanda. I motion to the receptionista that I will take her. But remember: This is the home of the 320 R, 4-hand massage. Who will be the other half of the dupla?

Out comes girl # 5 who looks like a good potential partner but on her heels is #6 who is hotter followed by #7 who is hotter yet. I can't remember the names. I can't even understand the names. I yell "Moça. Eu quero ela também". The desk is busy and they bring out the wrong girl but never mind. She's hotter yet. I explain "Dupla. Quatro mãos. " They get it. The hot girl explains something like "Nao fodo as meninas" and pushes her right index finger up and down through the hole of her curled up left hand and then waves her index finger to say no. Well than forget it. It's the attitude I'm after.

Meanwhile girls continue to presentaço. There are a handful of guys in the lobby and they are choosing them. Out comes my old favorite a mestiço.

That I had two duplas with 2 years prior. We became pen pals. No, I say. Her number disappeared from my smart phone on WhatAp and we are done.

Just then out comes Porcha. I love this type of GDP. Like Amanda and Janaína from last week, she has that look that I like. She describes herself as a Baiana with high cheekbones, long black hair and brown eyes that light up the room like two lanterns. This tall cool drink with the sun kissed body is named Porcha but when she says it it sounds like Poraa when she says it. It takes me asking her 15 times "Qual é sua nome. " I grab her by the hand and ass and claim her to complete the dupla. I ask her "Voce gosta as meninas?" And she shakes her cute little head up and down to say yes. She smiles with these cute dimples and braces. I had liked her last visit and chose a girl that looked sort of like her.

I inform the gerente that I have made my choice to complete the dupla and just then out come Raquel from last week and I say "espero" and my head turns so fast I wrenched my neck. I am informed by the manager that my choosing is over. I shrug and mentally prepare myself for a wild ride.

I huddle up with the girls in the front desk and try to convey what I want. We exchange "tudo bems" and the girls walk back into the hallway toward the rooms from which they came. Naturally, I start to follow and I feel a tug on the back of my jacket. The receptionista informs me that I have to pay first and the girls will return with bed towels etc. Meanwhile the talent continues to pour out into the waiting room and I ask myself, did I choose to soon?

I compose myself and sit and wait for Porcha and Andrea to return and lead me to the room. The selection process is the 2nd best part. No, it's the best part of the program.

We go to the room and the girls strip the bed and then take turns stripping me. I take a shower while they prepare themselves. I grab Porcha and start kissing her. She motions that the time hasn't started yet. I tell her "eu preciso foi embora bem cedo. O programa começa agora" and then I pull her onto the bed with me. She indicates something like she wants more money to eat pussy. I thought she was talking about chupa for me. I was starting to think she was going to be a problem but I shrugged and said "ok. " She turned out to be fine. I'm not sure what she wanted but she sucked my dick.

The Dupla started with a double blow job followed by a make out session with one garota while one sucked cock and then the other and finally all three tongues met for a deep kiss. Something I haven't done since Centaurus in Rio back in 2010. During one of the times Porcha is sucking my cock I start to put my little finger in her perfect ass. She lets me at first and then and then finally turns around with the cutest smile and shakes her head.

Finally Porcha asks me who I want to fuck first. I tell her "voce. " She puts my legs together and we fuck reverse-cow-girl while I have a nice make-out session with Amanda. I am alternating sucking Amanda's tits and having deep beijos with her, while Porcha is fucking me silly. Finally, Porcha abruptly puts her finger up my ass without missing a hump. How she did this or even thought of it I don't know but I didn't try to stop her. It felt too good. I came buckets.

We cleaned up a bit and then I asked them for the four hand massage. I turned to Porcha and asked "me ajuda. Por favor, me liga uma taxista. " Porcha asked for the address I wanted to go and called a Uber. She had to give me her real name in order to find my driver. Nice touch.

Porcha is 26 and has braces small tits and the cutest face I have ever seen. Amanda is ok. She has nice fake tits and is brand new. She is not as pretty but still nice and fuckable. Again, she's ok but I like Porcha. It's the face. Both are about 5'7" and have beautiful skin. Porcha calls me "safadinho" or naughty boy. I wanted to take pictures, but unlike Janaina, these two declined.

I walk out to catch my Uber and I see about 15 girls lined up to walk out the door to present. They must of had 20 girls there. My mestiço from two years ago stops me and says you speak Portuguese now (in Porto of course). I stop and say Hello, and I have to admit it is getting much better but I tell her "Eu falo um pouco. " I don't know what happened but this one's What'sApp number just disappeared from my contacts one day. I guess she decided to give up on me and lay a trap for someone else. Great girl. I'd rather not get to close. This favors the girl and not the guy.

Fake news keep coming, fanboys continuing cheering.

Enjoy and Chanes57 are open until 2 AM, for some time zone it is midnight then but not in Sao Paulo. There is no shift existing, girls come and go whenever they like, randomly every day. If someone cannot remember the names, no need to ask a list, it is worthless. Ask girl schedule for a week or simply send a message to receptionist to ask when she will be there.

And the word is APRESENTAÇÃO, feel free to ask see all or some of them again when cannot decide. And book the girl for next day or for future when knowing her schedule. You might even get her direct number.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2218740]Fake news keep coming, fanboys continuing cheering.

Enjoy and Chanes57 are open until 2 AM, for some time zone it is midnight then but not in Sao Paulo. There is no shift existing, girls come and go whenever they like, randomly every day. If someone cannot remember the names, no need to ask a list, it is worthless. Ask girl schedule for a week or simply send a message to receptionist to ask when she will be there.

And the word is APRESENTAO, feel free to ask see all or some of them again when cannot decide. And book the girl for next day or for future when knowing her schedule. You might even get her direct number.[/QUOTE]Haha awesome post! You are truly the life of the party.

Where would we be without such essential information? We would be lost in nits. Try going to Chanes or Enjoy after midnight on most days and see how many girls are left and if they are even still open. Technically they are open until 2 am or last customer but in practice they ramp down or close up whenever they feel like it. I wrote midnight because I thought it was a more practical guideline, but hey, by all means encourage visitors to show up at 1:30 and bang on the door and demand that they open up.

There are some girls who work days and some who work nights. For most people that is reasonably described as 2 shifts. But you are more correct, because as someone else here wrote, in Brasil "time" is a bit slack. They don't actually punch a clock at 5 pm. Whew, thanks for pointing that out. That makes a huge difference.

I write "practical" information. I rely on hard cases to provide spell check and correction. See we each have a role to play. Thanks for proving my prior stylistic analysis to be correct. I absolutely love the "And the word is" flourish, very punchy and eye catching. If you go back and add the portuguese diacritics to all prior posts then you too can have fanboys.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2218740]Fake news keep coming, fanboys continuing cheering. [/QUOTE]Fake news? WTF does this mean? Am I missing something that is reoccurring in the thread?

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2218740]Enjoy and Chanes57 are open until 2 AM, for some time zone it is midnight then but not in Sao Paulo. There is no shift existing, girls come and go whenever they like, randomly every day. If someone cannot remember the names, no need to ask a list, it is worthless. Ask girl schedule for a week or simply send a message to receptionist to ask when she will be there.

And the word is APRESENTAO, feel free to ask see all or some of them again when cannot decide. And book the girl for next day or for future when knowing her schedule. You might even get her direct number.[/QUOTE]It is not that one cannot remember the names (although there were so many this can be a challenge). It is more like I typically cannot understand the Portuguese translation. Porsha did not sound like Porsha. The other night in Corumba a girl was telling me her name was Tabitha. This took several minutes and a beer to finally understand that that "Tabitha" was what she was saying. This is not a trivial matter for native Anglo speakers.

I think getting to see the lineups a couple of times and then asking for a particular girl is a good idea. The problem is that this all requires some understanding of the language. I have been working on it on and off for several years. I enjoy it but I realize that I will never be fluent. When I go back, I will call and reserve Raquel if she is still there.

I'm not sure about the What's App number. This can be good or bad. The girls can be a bit clingy at times. It makes me feel guilty to see other girls. I realize that there can be some positives but sometimes it is good to keep a professional distance.

Anyway, I'm not sure of the purpose of your 1st sentence is but this was my honest impression of what I experienced at Brooklin. The presentation of the lineup is one of the best experiences a hobbyist can have anywhere and I wanted to share this with other hobbyists. Hopefully, this may inspire someone to try the Sampa scene. It is fun and that is what I want to convey here. Most Americans I work with are terrified to leave the hotel if they have to go to Brasil which is stupid!

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2218851]Fake news? WTF does this mean? Am I missing something that is reoccurring in the thread?

It is not that one cannot remember the names (although there were so many this can be a challenge). It is more like I typically cannot understand the Portuguese translation. Porsha did not sound like Porsha. The other night in Corumba a girl was telling me her name was Tabitha. This took several minutes and a beer to finally understand that that "Tabitha" was what she was saying. This is not a trivial matter for native Anglo speakers.

I think getting to see the lineups a couple of times and then asking for a particular girl is a good idea. The problem is that this all requires some understanding of the language. I have been working on it on and off for several years. I enjoy it but I realize that I will never be fluent. When I go back, I will call and reserve Raquel if she is still there.

I'm not sure about the What's App number. This can be good or bad. The girls can be a bit clingy at times. It makes me feel guilty to see other girls. I realize that there can be some positives but sometimes it is good to keep a professional distance.

Anyway, I'm not sure of the purpose of your 1st sentence is but this was my honest impression of what I experienced at Brooklin. The presentation of the lineup is one of the best experiences a hobbyist can have anywhere and I wanted to share this with other hobbyists. Hopefully, this may inspire someone to try the Sampa scene. It is fun and that is what I want to convey here. Most Americans I work with are terrified to leave the hotel if they have to go to Brasil which is stupid![/QUOTE]The first sentence was not about your report or Brooklin since I did not quote your report but added general information about continuous posting not correct information. Having direct number makes possible to agree meeting in clinica or at your hotel which is much more comfortable place, I presume. Feeling guilty about seeing other girls? You should feel the same quilt as she when she meets other guys. It is business as usual: money talks, bullshit walks. Try to think this way.

About afraid Americans, my two favourite shows: Cidade Alerta and Brasil Urgente. It is always in peoples head, more a psychological thing. If something's meant to be happen, it will, regardless of the place and time.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2218824]Where would we be without such essential information?..[/QUOTE]Rovnak, just ignore him. You're a valuable source of information, he's not.

Fellas. There is an ignore function for a reason. And Traveller has earned my second ignore ever. It's not so much that his information is wrong. I really wouldn't know. He just seems to have skipped the class on how to be a decent guy. Oh well.

Enjoy closing time 2 AM is confirmed, website is not correct. Could anyone prove at least one thing that I wrote at that time as information is not correct or false? Or named some other member with not decent words? This is not beauty writing or decent guy contest. Decent guys have wife's and families, they do not go to clinicas,brothels and boates, neither fuck others beside girlfriend or wife.

I just notice too that the wrong word went to post, because auto correct was changed that. My bad. APRESENTAÇÃO is correct.

My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.

Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.

OK. I realized I summarized the clubs and the ten girls but did not summarize my collective knowledge as promised. So here tis. As always YMMV and we all have different perspectives but I hope some of this is helpful.

As people have said, use cash when you can. But here is the rub. Unlike other civilized countries, the hotels don't all have cash machines and the bank ones are locked up at 10 PM. So if you get horny at 11 PM, you are going to be using credit. Get your cash during the day so you are ready at night. Oh and beware not all the love motels take American plastic. Almost got stuck at one (u pay at the end) until we scrounged a few bills. Whew.

The Brasileira bunda is a real thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation.

Take Uber everywhere. It is so cheap you don't even need to budget for it.

The boates don't get rolling till late. If you go at 11 you will be early. If you are still there at 3 you will have plenty of company.

Finding gems is not a fluke. You have to dig deeper than a pretty face. Mary Ninfeta has 40+ glowing reviews. My gem is no accident.

Learn basic Português. This totally changes the vibe. They are so impressed that you bothered they already like you better. And it really helps make it all less awkward. You can learn enough to be dangerous in 10-15 hours of content. So say a month at a half hour a day. Do it on your commute. It is an investment worth making.

If you bring her back to your hotel you are going to have to register her. There could be a small fee. The big thing is you have to be there with her signing her in. Can prove awkward for day meetings and trying to time so colleagues are not there.

Love motels are great and cheap. Maybe $20-25 for the time you need. Plus they have mirrors everywhere which is a bonus. There are plenty in São Paulo near the venues and there is one near Boate Ilha in Caxias do Sul. But its a 20 minute drive to one in Campinas.

Virtually all the working girls have tattoos, even the innocent looking ones. You may not see them -- because they choose their clothes strategically. For example I now realize Duda's thigh high boots were to cover a large evil skull on her thigh. And she is actually tattedup nearly head to toe. Fortunately I thought the skull and all the rest rather badass. Eduarda, my Moustache girl had a pretty serious backplate. So just be prepared.

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2219049]The Brasileira bunda is a real thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation.
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Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.[/QUOTE]I agree with all your points but these two made me smile. Glad you had a good time. On your second point, I am very confident that they responded to you enthusiastically because you were genuinely warm and enthusiastic toward them. That is also a sort of Brazilian magic. But not all foreigners know how to tap into it.

Congrats.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2219016]My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.
Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.[/QUOTE]Aka "addition by subtraction".

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2219016]My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.

Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.[/QUOTE]Great post once again! 🙄
What a treat you must be to these girls, LOL. 𗀇

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2219049]The Brasileira bunda is a real thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation.[/QUOTE]Is this suppose to be a news flash? 🙄

As far as Brasileiras being affectionate and having fun, I've come across Steve9696 on the Montreal forum awhile back. Steve knows that in Montreal DFK and affectionate providers are hit and miss. Yet some locals on a shill dominated local board will convince you the girls are all GFE and YMMV is just a normal thing. Brazil sets the standard for GFE.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2219443]Is this suppose to be a news flash? 🙄

As far as Brasileiras being affectionate and having fun, I've come across Steve9696 on the Montreal forum awhile back. Steve knows that in Montreal DFK and affectionate providers are hit and miss. Yet some locals on a shill dominated local board will convince you the girls are all GFE and YMMV is just a normal thing. Brazil sets the standard for GFE.[/QUOTE]Curious. You keep saying this. Where are you finding all these hit and miss girls in Montreal? Maybe I got special treatment but I haven't had bad service in Montreal since circa 2014. However, I will agree with you. Brazil is my favorite hobby destination. It seems like half the girls give me their phone number and more than a few invite themselves over. Mato Grosso Du Sul is the only place I have ever had my asshole licked. I thought I was in love with Debra. Fucking amazing place. I love the culture, the language, the food the drink, the music, my friends there but most of all I love the Garota De Programas. They come in all shapes, colors, heights, and styles and at 1 $ = to 4. 09 R I can live like a king. Hell, I loved Brazil when 1 $ + to 1. 65 are back in 2011/2012. It was still a great place.

It reminds me of my favorite line from Crazy Earl of Full Metal Jacket: "These are great days we're living, bros. " I say this at the end of every night of whoring in Brazil. And then Crazy Earl goes on to say something about once we rotate back to the states there won't be anything worth killing but you have to substitute fucking for killing. I feel like a jolly green giant when I walk into a brothel or cafe and think I don't know who to pick. I'll just fuck all the ones I like. Yes Brazil is a magical place. And as Crazy Earl said. I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison.

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[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2219462]Yes Brazil is a magical place. And as Crazy Earl said. I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison.

[URL]https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ab7b10d6-fc5d-4a15-8f09-76fdaffd0aff[/URL].[/QUOTE]The difference is so striking that its not unreasonable to say that a "disappointing" p4 p encounter in Brazil would be considered a "great" encounter in other locations. People often claims that relationship sex is better than P4P. I think that "in general" is a false rationalization made by a lot of monogamists to justify their lack of sexual freedom and it is also informed by their sexual ignorance due to their lack of sexual experience. It "may" be true in some places and for some relationships. It may be true in cultures where the p4 p standard is terrible, not because the relationship sex is so great, but because the P4P there is so poor. In fact I am pretty sure that most studies suggest that relationship sex peaks early and declines rapidly, usually becoming routine in short order.

In Brazil my top P4P experiences blow away most of my free ones. And I am confident they would be comparable to the best free experiences of most anyone. In 2018 I had several Tinder sexual "relationships" and I could have continued getting free sex from them, without even having to make a commitment, just friends with benefits. And these were "hot" women, I don't even waste time trying for any that are not at least as good looking as my GPS. But I let them go because my p4 p encounters were far better sexually, more varied, and less complicated. And I usually enjoy the pure "company" of my top GPS better than the company of my FWBs. The GPS I repeat with are amazingly sweet and non demanding. We treat each other with mutual respect. Of course there is a financial element, but there is a financial element in any M-F relationship. Wooing a Tinder chick, usually involves transportation, dinner, a lot of "maintenance chat" and in worst cases, the dreaded "shopping". A typical "date" will often be more expensive than a typical GP encounter. The quality of the sex depends on the sexual chemistry be / t the two parties. YMMV is always always applicable.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2219462]Curious. You keep saying this. Where are you finding all these hit and miss girls in Montreal? Maybe I got special treatment but I haven't had bad service in Montreal since circa 2014. However, I will agree with you. Brazil is my favorite hobby destination. It seems like half the girls give me their phone number and more than a few invite themselves over. Mato Grosso Du Sul is the only place I have ever had my asshole licked. I thought I was in love with Debra. Fucking amazing place. I love the culture, the language, the food the drink, the music, my friends there but most of all I love the Garota De Programas. They come in all shapes, colors, heights, and styles and at 1 $ = to 4. 09 R I can live like a king. Hell, I loved Brazil when 1 $ + to 1. 65 are back in 2011/2012. It was still a great place.

It reminds me of my favorite line from Crazy Earl of Full Metal Jacket: "These are great days we're living, bros. " I say this at the end of every night of whoring in Brazil. And then Crazy Earl goes on to say something about once we rotate back to the states there won't be anything worth killing but you have to substitute fucking for killing. I feel like a jolly green giant when I walk into a brothel or cafe and think I don't know who to pick. I'll just fuck all the ones I like. Yes Brazil is a magical place. And as Crazy Earl said. I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison.

[URL]https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ab7b10d6-fc5d-4a15-8f09-76fdaffd0aff[/URL][/QUOTE]Such a true statement "I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison. ".

I too am back in LOS Angeles California and do nothing with mongering here just counting my days until I return to Medellin.

I need to re-visit Brazil again after all it has been 18 years since my last mongering trips (two made in 2000) to Rio.

The Tall Man.

Hi,

I have no knowledge about the Boate in Sao Paulo.

Would you kindly tell me the best Boate in S. P. Please?

Some people mentioned the club name "Scandallo Lounge" but I'm not quite sure.

Price doesn't matter at all. I prefer to choose to go to the best.

Thanks for your generous support in advance.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2219666]Such a true statement "I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison. ".

I too am back in LOS Angeles California and do nothing with mongering here just counting my days until I return to Medellin.

I need to re-visit Brazil again after all it has been 18 years since my last mongering trips (two made in 2000) to Rio.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Medellin is a box I still need to check off.

I feel for you brother.

[QUOTE=HiroHirox;2219756]Hi,

I have no knowledge about the Boate in Sao Paulo.

Would you kindly tell me the best Boate in S. P. Please?

Some people mentioned the club name "Scandallo Lounge" but I'm not quite sure.

Price doesn't matter at all. I prefer to choose to go to the best.

Thanks for your generous support in advance.[/QUOTE]Normally I am very generous with newbies. I mean why hoard your knowledge. But when I look at your history I see unwarranted fear mongering around STDS including advising against DFK. Definitely we have nothing in common. You are on your own dude.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2217610]Since you say you are from Pussy Prison (good ole USA) you should maximize your time. As long as you are ok registering the girls at the front desk, by all means, have a girl to your room. It's a different kind of experience. Have a nooner with her, log some recovery hours with a nice lunch and siesta and head to one of the others when they fill up at 3.

Believe me when I tell you these girls will get you going so taking another after a few hours is no big deal (though I have to say I was surprised I could still walk after 5 in 24 hours!) would I repeat? Hell yeah!

What are you doing the other days of your visit? You'the be surprised how much you can squeeze in. I literally slept only 4-5 hours a night with all the clubbing but it was great.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips. I'll give it a shot. I arrive early on a Sunday morning and depart Tuesday night. Sunday will be my only day not working. I'll try out your tips. Much appreciated.

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Hi all,

Arrived in São Paulo on Father's Day and was not expecting much in terms of action. A quick Google search pointed to some Cinica's Some were closed but one on Indiana Street was open. Choice of two ladies as most were out. 6/10 in looks but a great body and fake breast. Had the usual shower and then a massage followed by lots of foreplay and then on to the deed. Did not realize that could have 2 shots in the allocated time.

Connected via I'm with a fellow ISG member, but given the short notice he recommended sticking to to Clinica's.

Went back to the one on Indiana street a few days later and 8 ladies available most were late 20's to mid 30's. Could were definitely 8/10 IMO. Same routine and 200 R which is real good.

Lady at the front desk said to get a membership type card and after 6 (I'm sure that's what she said) visits get 1 at 50% off.

Interestingly the 2 ladies I saw were OK to give out their number and do hotel visit in the morning before their shift started. Price was the same as in the shop I. E 200 for the hour. Did not get a chance to try room service but handy for future trips and especially on a Sunday.

All in all a good trip and thanks to the ISG seniors for recommendations. At least one of you I'll definitely meet next time as I owe you beers for all your help.

Stay safe guys.

[QUOTE=Plasmids;2220115]Hi all,

Arrived in So Paulo on Father's Day and was not expecting much in terms of action. A quick Google search pointed to some Cinica's Some were closed but one on Indiana Street was open. Choice of two ladies as most were out. 6/10 in looks but a great body and fake breast. Had the usual shower and then a massage followed by lots of foreplay and then on to the deed. Did not realize that could have 2 shots in the allocated time.

Connected via I'm with a fellow ISG member, but given the short notice he recommended sticking to to Clinica's.

Went back to the one on Indiana street a few days later and 8 ladies available most were late 20's to mid 30's. Could were definitely 8/10 IMO. Same routine and 200 R which is real good.
.[/QUOTE]I wonder if it was just the holiday? I was in Brooklyn 4 days later and there were 10-15 girls. I went back the next weekend and it was just as good but with more girls.

I remember going to Espaco Morumbi over Carnival and there was only one fuckable women and she had a motorcycle helmet in her hand and was going out the door. They called her back for me. I went back the next day (I didn't know where else to go) and there were two fuckable women out of 4 or 5. I took the same girl. I also made the mistake of going to Thailand for a long weekend on the King's birthday. All the bars were close that evening and I was in BA on an election day. Slim pickings. And the two girls I was set up with by TejoLibre and I were turned away from a swingers club because it was closed. Timing is everything.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2219462]Curious. You keep saying this. Where are you finding all these hit and miss girls in Montreal? Maybe I got special treatment but I haven't had bad service in Montreal since circa 2014. However, I will agree with you. Brazil is my favorite hobby destination.[/QUOTE]It has been discussed repeatedly on the MTL local board as well as on the MTL board that some girls from top agencies are now offering some limited LFK. Some posters will blow smoke and argue that's still GFE, but I don't concur.

DFK is kind of a thing for me. As you know, a Brazilian girl will DFK with you the entire time like you've been dating for months. One of my favorite SP escorts (now retired?) told me I liked to kiss a lot. She was so gorgeous I told her I couldn't stop. Of course, that just made her a more passionate kisser.

HungryStud101, don't forget selection bias. I presume both of us use available on-line info to avoid less than GFE experiences. Full disclosure, I haven't been to Montreal in a few years. When I do visit, I don't want a lukewarm session.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2220310]It has been discussed repeatedly on the MTL local board as well as on the MTL board that some girls from top agencies are now offering some limited LFK. Some posters will blow smoke and argue that's still GFE, but I don't concur.

DFK is kind of a thing for me. As you know, a Brazilian girl will DFK with you the entire time like you've been dating for months. One of my favorite SP escorts (now retired?) told me I liked to kiss a lot. She was so gorgeous I told her I couldn't stop. Of course, that just made her a more passionate kisser.

HungryStud101, don't forget selection bias. I presume both of us use available on-line info to avoid less than GFE experiences. Full disclosure, I haven't been to Montreal in a few years. When I do visit, I don't want a lukewarm session.[/QUOTE]With you Wyatt. DFK is kinda a thing for me too. Of my 10 girls in Brazil all were DFK of course. But Thifany was special. Great in bed but it's her DFK that makes her my ATF. We would just kiss for ten minutes at a time in the club (maybe more). Time kinda stood still.

And my second fave Carolina was great passionate "we both mean this" kind of kissing. So my top two both surfaced by DFK. Ain't nothing finer when it's done right and you mean it.

Hi,

Scandaloso is super high end, gorgeous girls. Big club and lot of girls to choose from. Another one is BomBoa, many gorgeous girls. For a super good high end spa go to Oro spa Sao Paulo. High end and for sure all of the give GFE, good luck, enjoy. Many others seem good but are low class and cheap rooms and beds. I don't like.

I have no knowledge about the Boate in Sao Paulo.

Would you kindly tell me the best Boate in S. P. Please?

Some people mentioned the club name "Scandallo Lounge" but I'm not quite sure.

Price doesn't matter at all. I prefer to choose to go to the best.

[QUOTE=SuperBuilder2;2220830]Scandaloso is super high end, gorgeous girls. Big club and lot of girls to choose from. Another one is BomBoa, many gorgeous girls. For a super good high end spa go to Oro spa Sao Paulo. High end and for sure all of the give GFE, good luck, enjoy. Many others seem good but are low class and cheap rooms and beds. I don't like.[/QUOTE]SuperBuilder2,

Thanks for your supportive comment. I really appreciate it.

It would help me when I get there. You're such a gentleman.

Muiito obligado!

Redway open again, Rua Machado de Assis 449, nice looking girls, Gi, the manager speaks good english, Gisela.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2219016]My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.

Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.[/QUOTE]T44, why so angry?

All I can figure out is that you are living in Moema part-time or full-time and you consider yourself the local on-the-ground Sao Paulo expert. If anyone has a differing opinion or not the absolute precise details, you jump all over them. You live in Sao Paulo so your commentary is very valuable and you don't feel appreciated by the forum members.

I myself look for information from both locals and guys who have traveled to the destination recently. Travelers with limited time look for different things over a short trip than people who spend a lot of time in a city.

Hi folks,

Traveling to Sao Paolo for the first time on Sunday. I've been grateful for information on other destinations, and have posted my experiences for info for others about Guatemala, Costa Rica, Scotland, etc. I've read through the past 15+ pages of the SP threads and have used Google Maps to best estimate where I think each of the places that are discussed are located, but I do have a couple of questions due to not having a great deal of time when I'm down in SP:

It's my understanding that bars and clubs give you a card that you pay at the end of the night with your credit card. Is this correct?

If visiting a Clinica (such as Brooklin), is this normally a cash transaction, or card as well?

In order to have less tracking of my cash, I'll be bringing USD down, and plan on exchanging for Reals at a currency exchange office. Kind of have to do it to not have too much $$ show up on my credit card. Is this a good idea or necessary?

I'm staying at the Renaissance SP in the Jardins area. It looks as if Bamboa 222 is closest to me just to the west. Is this location correct, is there a better time of day / night to find working girls, and may I pay in cash and / or credit there?

When attempting to Google a location for Brooklin, it returns Brooklin Nova or Brooklin Paulista. Are either of these correct locations? (each about 7.3 km from the Renaissance).

I do realize that there are several questions above, and will happily post a story of my time down there, but any help would be most appreciated!

Thanks guys, Chris.

P.S. I do speak Spanish as well, but have been doing some Portuguese lessons on my phone per previous posts. Thanks for the heads up!

[QUOTE=ChrisUcla;2221179]Hi folks,

Traveling to Sao Paolo for the first time on Sunday. I've been grateful for information on other destinations, and have posted my experiences for info for others about Guatemala, Costa Rica, Scotland, etc. I've read through the past 15+ pages of the SP threads and have used Google Maps to best estimate where I think each of the places that are discussed are located, but I do have a couple of questions due to not having a great deal of time when I'm down in SP:

It's my understanding that bars and clubs give you a card that you pay at the end of the night with your credit card. Is this correct?.[/QUOTE]Night clubs will give you a paper "comanda" (to track your tab) or the luxury places will give you a dongle of some sort that tracks your purchases on the computer. You pay at the end of the night in nearly all places. But there are some where you pay the "entrada" upon entering. Casarao for example, you pay 20 or 30 to enter, get a mag strip card to present to bartender and then settle your account when you leave if you consumed more than the 20-30 entrance credit. So each place is potentially an odd combination of "entrada" and "comsumaçao". Just make a note if you have paid anything to enter so you can verify that you are not paying double. If you use a credit card some places charge a surcharge, which varies.

Clinicas accept cash or charge, most (I believe, I pay cash so not 100% sure) charge an extra 5% or maybe more for credit. Others can clarify.

If you have a bank card that does not charge exorbitant foreign transaction fees I would just withdraw cash from the ATM. If you don't have such a card, then yeah, change money. RE cash vs credit. I personally prefer not to use my credit cards at these places unless absolutely necessary. I am sure my card was skimmed and cloned at 4 x 4 termas in Rio 3 years ago and I have never used my card for putaria since. Now things are better with chips in cards but still they can skim the mag strip if you are not watching them.

Brooklin Masagem is at.

Are. Joaquim Guarani, 121 - Jardim das Acacias, São Paulo. SP.

Makes sure you get that address. I honestly don't know if that is Brooklin Novo or Brooklin Paulista. Everyone I know just talks about "Brooklin", these subsections Novo and Paulista are overkill. Unfortunately, computer based systems tend to use these specific names. I could give you a dozen examples of one system using a general name and another system using a specific name. Just make sure you have the right street. Even better, Uber knows a lot of these places, most of them in fact, are locatable as destinations in the Uber app, I. E "Brooklin massagem" etc.

[QUOTE=ChrisUcla;2221179]Hi folks,

Traveling to Sao Paolo for the first time on Sunday. I've been grateful for information on other destinations, and have posted my experiences for info for others about Guatemala, Costa Rica, Scotland, etc. I've read through the past 15+ pages of the SP threads and have used Google Maps to best estimate where I think each of the places that are discussed are located, but I do have a couple of questions due to not having a great deal of time when I'm down in SP:

It's my understanding that bars and clubs give you a card that you pay at the end of the night with your credit card. Is this correct?

If visiting a Clinica (such as Brooklin), is this normally a cash transaction, or card as well?

In order to have less tracking of my cash, I'll be bringing USD down, and plan on exchanging for Reals at a currency exchange office. Kind of have to do it to not have too much $$ show up on my credit card. Is this a good idea or necessary?

I'm staying at the Renaissance SP in the Jardins area. It looks as if Bamboa 222 is closest to me just to the west. Is this location correct, is there a better time of day / night to find working girls, and may I pay in cash and / or credit there?

When attempting to Google a location for Brooklin, it returns Brooklin Nova or Brooklin Paulista. Are either of these correct locations? (each about 7.3 km from the Renaissance).

I do realize that there are several questions above, and will happily post a story of my time down there, but any help would be most appreciated!

Thanks guys, Chris.

P.S. I do speak Spanish as well, but have been doing some Portuguese lessons on my phone per previous posts. Thanks for the heads up![/QUOTE]I can answer your club (Boate) questions as that was kinda my thing as you surely read in the most recent 5 or 6 pages. You get a card at entry and mostly or all consumable. But the point of the card really is for you to lose track of your spend. The drinks at Scandallo and such are super expensive and I think they do same as Russia — you order a Jack and Coke and they price out sepearatly $18 for jack and $10!for coke. And ladies drinks may be marked up.

At Scandallo the consumable entry was 150 but I ended the night at 550 not including room. Sounds huge but it's only $125 US so not really. At Fazendinha consumable entry was 200 but I hit 740 by end of night. That includes two room fees.

Best not to use credit — the fees at the clubs are high. Use an ATM but you have to go during the day. They are closed at night. I only got 3. 6 at the airport (but needed some straightaway). My debit card gave me 3. 96.

And don't overlook Casarao which is cheap to get in and close to where you are staying. Of my ten girls my second favorite was a Casarao girl. Easily could have worked Scandallo if she wanted. And what a scene. Packed with people partying and ready to hook up. I found it worth a visit. And you can always bail — cover is only $10 USD.

[QUOTE=ChrisUcla;2221179]Hi folks,


If visiting a Clinica (such as Brooklin), is this normally a cash transaction, or card as well?

In order to have less tracking of my cash, I'll be bringing USD down, and plan on exchanging for Reals at a currency exchange office. Kind of have to do it to not have too much $$ show up on my credit card. Is this a good idea or necessary?

I'm staying at the Renaissance SP in the Jardins area. It looks as if Bamboa 222 is closest to me just to the west. Is this location correct, is there a better time of day / night to find working girls, and may I pay in cash and / or credit there?

When attempting to Google a location for Brooklin, it returns Brooklin Nova or Brooklin Paulista. Are either of these correct locations? (each about 7.3 km from the Renaissance).
p![/QUOTE]Hi Chris.

The address is in here:

[URL]https://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br/home.html[/URL]

A 2-hand massage was 220 R and a 4 hand massage was 320 R. There was a 20 R up charge for the use of a credit card. I always call the bank and tell them I'm going to Brazil. Years ago my credit union refused to grant me access in Brazil! Today it is no problem but be sure to call your bank and CC company to make sure. I have friends that pick me up at the airport and they go to clinica with me or drop me off or I take a cab over. They just hand me a wad of Reis and I square up with them later. They typically desire the US currency for future vacations so this works.

If it weren't for my friends I would look up AltoBomGusto. ABG has a little cottage industry where he will take you to a few clinicas for a fee. He will even speak with the girls for you and the madams to make sure you get what you want. I haven't used the service but friends of mine have and they said it was really helpful. Hell, cabs charge more than ABG does so you really can't lose.

I don't go to the boates but having said this, I want to try Scandelos. Friends of mine in Brasil like it. I hear Bamboa and Cafe Foto are tourist traps but I have never been. Hit a few clinicas before you hit a boate. I have made 13 visits to 5 different FKKs and Sauna clubs in Germany, I have been to 5 different termas in Rio hobbied for 10 years in Montreal, been to Thailand etc. Etc. And. Well, I haven't found a better deal than Brooklin for looks, service, and value.

I also want to go to Tangara as well. This is a new favorite of a good friend of mine. I had planned to go there but I got in a cab and I couldn't find their address as my cell was out of wack. http://www.clinicatangara.com.br/

As any hobby local make sure you spend a few days and try to avoid holidays.

Anything open on Sabado? Thanks.

SS.

Last weekend I was in Bogota, for the first time (my second visit to Colombia). I visited a certain house of ill repute that had been recommended highly on the Bogota forum. It has now been highly dissed by myself for their blatant attempts to gouge me as a gringo (something not common in the otherwise, on the up and up Casas de Cita of Colombia. But, that isn't what I'm here to discuss and neither are you, probably. I'm hear to talk about a Paulista.

I was sitting on the couch talking to a local dude who spoke good English, who was talking to a girl he introduced as his girlfriend. She was white, and a bit bigger than the other girls. She had bleach blonde hair with dark roots and what appeared to be an asymmetrical haircut 3 months ago, but was now a mess. She wasn't pretty and she looked trashy, though she was wearing some lace lingerie and her breasts were clearly visible through it, her pink aureolas visible under the thing material. I had been chatting with a long legged Venezolona and her fellow "Caracan" to her left, but they were mostly immersed in texting on their phones. But this guy's alleged girlfriend was something else. Her said she was from Sao Paolo, and her name was Barbara. She spoke no English but seemed happy to make my acquaintance. I didn't get the story on why she was peddling her pussy in Colombia nor did I ask. I always expect there was something she needed to get away from (like the time I met an emaciated but apparently educated Colombiana on the streets of Santo Domingo, living the life a of pauper). Anyways, while me and my newly acquainted amigo were chatting, the branca stood up and walked across the room and around the corner (maybe to the ladies room). Her outfit was like a black lack catsuit but the bottom was like a crotchless panty hose with a pair of matching black lace underwear underneath to hide the goods. She wore patent leather platform heels and clomped across the room with awesome bunda swaying and the rest of the girls glaring at her with a mix of awe and contempt. It was like a tigress walking through the jungle and she just owned the situation.

Meanwhile, I asked my new friend what was the price for an hour. 80 K he explained. That is what the rate was for an hour. I pitched an offer to the Venezolana to my left. Want to go? She nodded, and when I tried to confirm the price, she quote me 150 k! My new friend, Tomas heard this and interjected that was not right. The Venolana wouldn't budge on that price, so my friend suggested we consult the "administradora". He walked over and fetched the madame from behind a desk in the corner and she came over to discuss the matter. She confirmed my price was 150 k because of the time of the evening. My friend translated and explained that he apparently paid less for sex with his "girlfriend", because it was earlier in the evening. Because of the time I now had to pay more. I was having none of this.

The branca walked back shortly and I saw all this from the front, before she sat next to my friend. It was them that it dawned on me that this was the Brazilian sensuality that guys have been raving about for decades. That bunda, that swagger, that carefree strut that oozed sexuality. She walked with this air of extreme confidence. Once she said down and resume conversing with her "boyfriend". I tried to get the attention of a pretty Colombian girl across the room who appeared to be looking my direction, but she was actually staring at the branca, like she was also admiring her and despising her at the same time.

Then they both stood and he kissed her goodbye, said bye to me and left. She repeated her little walk out of the room and back. Again, she walked back in like she owned the place and sat down next to me. I attempted a bit of conversation with my limited Spanish but she was direct to the point and asked if I wanted "sexo". I cratered at that point. Ripoff or not, I couldn't resist. I nodded and before we could so much as stand up, I heard the two Venezolanas stand up and stomp out of the room, high heels clacking loudly only to have the rest of the girls get up and stomp off, as well. What just happened? A walkout? A protest? An insurgency? Maybe just some Latinas pissed off that they had been shut down by some trollop from the other side of the equator.

Totally non plussed by this dramatic scene of hysterical whoaring, the Paulista stood up slowly, extended her hand to me and led me to the desk to pay the ripoff 150 k for the hour of love. But, to add insult to injury, I was told by the madame that the price was now 180 k for "sexo". Suddenly I got my spine back and my brain took over the thought process. Sure it wasn't even $8 more, but I knew that they would immediately try to gouge me for something like room rental or cheap condoms, VAT, import duties or some other ripoff. I was a whale and they were trying to reel me in. I protested and the response was 160 k for "medio" (half an hour). I was having none of it. Basta! I said and left. That bunda was nice but I wasn't going to be taken like that, and if I had to go to Brazil to get it at a fair local price, then dammit I was going to Brazil to get it.

And that is where we stand. Now, somebody please, please, please tell me that Barbara was just a glimpse of what I've been missing.

I like Tangara, but the management there have a tendency to overwork their popular girls. Yesterday, I had a free lance meetup fall through so I texted Tangara at 7 pm to book someone on my to do list, as plan be. But I had concerns that she was probably tired and ready to go home. So I said to the manager "she probably has been working all day, yes? I can book another day". The manager insisted "no, she was not busy today, come now". Stupidly I agreed. I met the girl, went to room, she tried her best but was clearly played out. I told her "lets stop at the half hour because you are not into this". I told her what transpired be / t me and the manager, and she said that she had worked non stop since her arrival at noon. Even the most sexually capable GPS can't provide great service for that many hours. I already knew this to be the case with Tangara as I have a good friend who worked there for a few weeks as a GP and she was extremely popular and she has an extreme sexual appetite and she complained to me that it was just too much, and the managers would not give her any breaks. So I have only myself to blame for taking a flyer late in the day. I should have known better.

In contrast, I had 2 amazingly good sessions at Tangara this week when I arrived in the early afternoon and was the first client for 2 girls. So its important to bear this kind of thing in mind.

[QUOTE=SunsetStrip;2221246]Anything open on Sabado? Thanks.

SS.[/QUOTE]Tangará, Redway are open for shure.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2221756]Tangar, Redway are open for shure.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Also Vani's Way and Espaço Vergueiro will be open.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2221256]That bunda was nice but I wasn't going to be taken like that, and if I had to go to Brazil to get it at a fair local price, then dammit I was going to Brazil to get it.

And that is where we stand. Now, somebody please, please, please tell me that Barbara was just a glimpse of what I've been missing.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Colombia so I cannot provide first hand comparative analysis. I find myself looking at some of the chica prepago web sites there and drooling but I have not yet made the trip, primarily because the supply of top quality in Brasil just keeps me so busy and happy. Still, I hope to go there someday. In reading this site for years, there are many posters who absolutely love Colombia. Its unclear how many of them have visited Brasil as well, and how many of them have allocated time to do an apples to apples comparison. It would be hard for me to do an apples to apples comparison because my Brasil experience is so vast, that any short time in Colombia would not be able to do Colombia justice. That said, anecdotally, just recently, a monger on this board planned to go to Bogota for several weeks, but was so disappointed that he left after a few days and spent the rest of his trip in Sao Paulo. Maybe he did not give Bogota enough time. Also, I have an Irish friend who lived in Rio and Salvador and visited Sao Paulo for a week. He now lives in Medellin and he tells me he was disappointed by the P4P in Medellin compared to his experiences in Brazil. Take that with a grain of salt because he is not the best at finding opportunities on the ground. Still, he has not said to me "man, you got to come to Medellin". Instead he said he is hoping to visit SP again soon.

Personally, I can attest to one thing. The Brazllian ladies have a wonderful attitude toward sex and sexuality. Sex in Brazil is viewed as a natural appetite, something to be indulged and enjoyed without shame or ulterior motives. Sex is not some "reward" or "weapon" that women wield over men, as in some cultures, something to be withheld or granted. Brasileiras are refreshingly brazen about their own sexual desires and appetites. As for looks, yeah, the Brazlian bunda is pretty incredible. The racial mixing has resulted in a kaleidoscope of body and facial types. But tastes are personal, you just have to come and decide for yourself.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2221767]I have not been to Colombia so I cannot provide first hand comparative analysis. I find myself looking at some of the chica prepago web sites there and drooling but I have not yet made the trip, primarily because the supply of top quality in Brasil just keeps me so busy and happy. Still, I hope to go there someday. In reading this site for years, there are many posters who absolutely love Colombia. Its unclear how many of them have visited Brasil as well, and how many of them have allocated time to do an apples to apples comparison. It would be hard for me to do an apples to apples comparison because my Brasil experience is so vast, that any short time in Colombia would not be able to do Colombia justice. That said, anecdotally, just recently, a monger on this board planned to go to Bogota for several weeks, but was so disappointed that he left after a few days and spent the rest of his trip in Sao Paulo. Maybe he did not give Bogota enough time. Also, I have an Irish friend who lived in Rio and Salvador and visited Sao Paulo for a week. He now lives in Medellin and he tells me he was disappointed by the P4P in Medellin compared to his experiences in Brazil. Take that with a grain of salt because he is not the best at finding opportunities on the ground. Still, he has not said to me "man, you got to come to Medellin". Instead he said he is hoping to visit SP again soon.

Personally, I can attest to one thing. The Brazllian ladies have a wonderful attitude toward sex and sexuality. Sex in Brazil is viewed as a natural appetite, something to be indulged and enjoyed without shame or ulterior motives. Sex is not some "reward" or "weapon" that women wield over men, as in some cultures, something to be withheld or granted. Brasileiras are refreshingly brazen about their own sexual desires and appetites. As for looks, yeah, the Brazlian bunda is pretty incredible. The racial mixing has resulted in a kaleidoscope of body and facial types. But tastes are personal, you just have to come and decide for yourself.[/QUOTE]Very well said about the Brazillian attitudes with sex being just a natural part of life. I have spent considerable time in Medellin and Bogota and also visited Rio twice but that was 18 years ago, so The Mall Man needs to take a trip to San Paulo and see what all the talk is about.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2221230]Hi Chris.

I don't go to the boates but having said this, I want to try Scandelos. Friends of mine in Brasil like it. I hear Bamboa and Cafe Foto are tourist traps but I have never been. Hit a few clinicas before you hit a boate. I have made 13 visits to 5 different FKKs and Sauna clubs in Germany, I have been to 5 different termas in Rio hobbied for 10 years in Montreal, been to Thailand etc. Etc. And. Well, I haven't found a better deal than Brooklin for looks, service, and value..[/QUOTE]Bomboa and Cafe Photo are not tourist traps by any stretch. At one time Scandalo, Bomboa and Photo were all banging, all packed and all worth a visit if one wanted to see the most ladies. They were all about the same price point, and quality. I say "were" because the economic crisis and the rise of direct marketing by freelancers has reduced both the supply and the demand in the boate marketplace. I have not been to either Photo or Bomboa in over a year. Scandalo is reliably packed with women and customers Tue-Wed-Thur. I have heard that Bomboa is still pretty good on those days as well. Photo is a bit different from the other 2 as it has different rules for the ladies which supposedly attract more "semi-pro" types, as a woman can work there at will any night without commitment to work 5 days per week as at the other clubs.

I tell visitors to do whatever their budget allows, if you have deep pockets visit them all. You can always leave and go to another or to Cassarao. If you have to choose 1 only 1, then Scandalo is the best bet.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2221895]Very well said about the Brazillian attitudes with sex being just a natural part of life. I have spent considerable time in Medellin and Bogota and also visited Rio twice but that was 18 years ago, so The Mall Man needs to take a trip to San Paulo and see what all the talk is about.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I've been hangin in both Colombia and Brazil for almost 20 years now.

Just got back from a week in Medellin and a week in Cali, and my booty is now sitting in SP Brazil, at my favorite churrascaría, heading to Casarao in about 30 min.

IMO, the Brazilian girls in general just have that extra sexual chromosome that puts them at the top of the sexual appetite and performance spectrum.

I just had an amazing 3 hours with a beautiful, sexy girl I got lucky to meet at a low end place in Centro.

I extended the session from 1 hour to 3 hours because I just wanted to stay with her and enjoy and have more great sex.

Colombia is great!

Colombian women are great!

They are generally very affectionate and loving girls.

I'll always return there and will most likely retire there due to the closer proximity to the US, where I have family.

The Brazilian girl though wins, IMO, generally speaking, in the great sex debate.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2218663]Here is a photo of Janaina of Brooklin. She has some of the same features as Porsha of Brooklin accept Janaina has larger breasts. Several girls have this look there.

I want to say something about what I assume to be the Paulista look. I like these brown eyed girls with slightly darker skin and straight black hair. I assume that they have some Indian influence with the higher cheek bones and 365 day tan...maybe even some African influence.. but please, they do not look like typical black women. It seems every time I go to Europe and I hear there are Brazileiras in the FKK etc, I meet them and they look like black women from the inner cities back home USA. There is nothing wrong with this but this is not what I am looking for. I am looking for this beautiful mixture of Europe/Indian/and just a hint of black.

I am currently enthralled with this look. I love it more than anything else. The nice prominent firm bunda, the long legs, the sun-kissed body, the creamy skin, the high cheek bones, brown eyes and jet black hair - long and straight. I want to pursue women like this. Is this the Paulista look? It is to me. I love it.

Ha ha, you can't see her face. Maybe this is the Paulista body?[/QUOTE]I happened across this post a few back but it caught my eye because it is spot on! These are the girls I die for. There has been some magic genetic concoction going on here mixing race for hundreds of years and it's the winning formula for me. My top four were perfectly this mold. Thifany, Carolina, Eduarda, and Karina all are cut from the same cloth above. I would only add to that, that part of the recipe is full lips -- not fake plump -- just perfectly full and BJ friendly. Tack on a thousand watt smile and you have the perfect Brasileira! Best looking and best GFE in the world IMO.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2221968]I happened across this post a few back but it caught my eye because it is spot on! These are the girls I die for. There has been some magic genetic concoction going on here mixing race for hundreds of years and it's the winning formula for me. My top four were perfectly this mold. Thifany, Carolina, Eduarda, and Karina all are cut from the same cloth above. I would only add to that, that part of the recipe is full lips -- not fake plump -- just perfectly full and BJ friendly. Tack on a thousand watt smile and you have the perfect Brasileira! Best looking and best GFE in the world IMO.[/QUOTE]I have to agree. You just can't beat these girls. You just cannot! You mix the races and multiply the average female sex drive times 100! The FKK feels too transactional (I like them too). I love Montreal but unless you attend the parties you are forced to take your pick from a few headless photos and with the exchange rate, pay 3 X the price of Brazil for 1 on 1 and much more than that for a 3-sum.

I have been to the upscale termas in Rio and Joinville and paid a heck of a lot more than the clinicas. The girls in Centaurus aren't as good looking. I want to go to the tourist boates but I can't get past the clinicas. My friend who is an executive for a multi-national recommends Scandallos but even he admits that you will pay 3 x more for women that are 10% better (I am paraphrasing but he said something like this. It is the old marketing rule and he is a marketer.) My best friend's boss who is another Scandellas fan recommended setting me up with one of his apartment girls. They were more than double to price. I said no thanks, I just got back from an apartment girl. See the review below. She was hot but her photos were shopped...anyway I like to pick from the line-up. Even my friends boss admitted that you run into a a princess and then you have this hot girl that does not give the same services. I want to take him up on this but I can't get through all the girls at Brooklin for 59 $ US dollars and 80 $ for a 3-sum! Both guys told me that Brasileiro businessmen like college girls that don't look like escorts and that is why they go to Scandelas. I love women in heels and the tight dresses that are dressed for the club and I would pay extra for this.

The first time I took my buddy Gus in a clinica that Sao Paulo hobbyists from here and MERB recommended, he thought that the 220 R was just for the room and that I would have to then negotiate a fee with the garota de programa. He kept saying "eu nao acredito" because Sampa is the most expensive city in Brasil...He couldn't believe that you can be with girls like this for so little money. My friends really liked the show even though they wouldn't partake. My friend Gus's wife smells him for other women so he only hobbies on the road. They both kept saying it takes a gringo.

Also, I don't know of any straight businessmen in Brasil that do not partake in the hobby on some scale. It is part of their culture there and they are not tainted by the #MeToo moral panic yet. Maybe it is because it is the ugly feminist in the USA that is most opposed to prostitution. You see they got left home on prom night and no one ever wanted to fuck them and they are taking it out on the world.

I am going back in March and I will have more time. I promise to hit a Boate to see what the fuss is about but it's tough to beat these $60 USD options. And then they want to go home with you! I have hobbied all over the world and this scene is my first choice.

Meninas. Presentacao!

Oh excuse me its "meninas apresentao".

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2221767]Personally, I can attest to one thing. The Brazllian ladies have a wonderful attitude toward sex and sexuality. Sex in Brazil is viewed as a natural appetite, something to be indulged and enjoyed without shame or ulterior motives. Sex is not some "reward" or "weapon" that women wield over men, as in some cultures, something to be withheld or granted. Brasileiras are refreshingly brazen about their own sexual desires and appetites. As for looks, yeah, the Brazlian bunda is pretty incredible. The racial mixing has resulted in a kaleidoscope of body and facial types. But tastes are personal, you just have to come and decide for yourself.[/QUOTE]Thank you, sir for weighing in, here. I've enjoyed your posts and don't be dissuaded by the bad attitudes I see on these forums, sometimes. In particular, someone who was picking your posts apart a while back.

Colombia is easier to access from many points in the US, due to flight times, connections and it is not expensive for the flight or the costs on the ground. Its a great place for low-budget mongering with pretty Latinas. I think Brazil has more obstacles to travel, mainly paying for a visa, more expensive and longer flights, and what would appear to be higher costs on the ground than in Colombia. I would expect that is factor in the number of Americans raving about Colombia.

And then there is always "group speak" to watch out for. You might recall an older website from back in the 90's that had a similar name and format as this one. At that time, the limited numbers of posters were raving about Colombia being better than Brazil. Some of these professed to have experience in Brazil but complained it had gotten too expensive and that tourists had ruined the mongering. They raved about the beauty and service of the Colombianas like Brazil was just trash. I was surprised to read this, as Brazil had a great reputation for prostitution and I imagined Colombia being a terrible, dangerous place (this was over 20 years ago) that no sane person would visit. But, this was pure "group speak" in hindsight. My perspective on Colombia was also jaded by the ignorance of the media. Nowadays, the opinions on this site seem to be the opposite of what I described. But as you said, in the end we all have to make the visit and form our own opinion on our own experiences.

One thing I noticed about Brazilians is their extroverted, uninhibited nature and tendency to act out vocally. In Colombia, I noticed the locals are respectable, subdued types who seem to be self-conscious, in comparison. A week ago, I was in Bogota on top of Monserratte, a tourist attraction on top of a mountain overlooking Bogota, serviced by a funicular rail train. I'm boarding the funicular rail car for my descent and a group of Brazilian tourists board the train as well, talking loudly and generally giving me a good lesson in the language. I'm trying to learn Brazilian Portuguese by watching videos and I'm understanding much of what they are saying. It is taking longer for the descent to begin than they care for. But when the car starts to move, they cheer loudly, a few start to chant out something with their fists pumping the air. The rest of the Latino occupants of the train stare at them with silent appall. I suppose that says a lot about the differences in their culture and demeanor. I've noticed this tendency in Brazilians I've met in the past (individually and in groups), uninhibited and often quite friendly, though often saying what they are thinking even when it would be a good time to shut up. But, I guess that makes for great sex and Brazil seems like a place where you can meet people and make friends quite easily?

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2221230]Hi Chris.

The address is in here:

[URL]https://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br/home.html[/URL]

A 2-hand massage was 220 R and a 4 hand massage was 320 R. There was a 20 R up charge for the use of a credit card. I always call the bank and tell them I'm going to Brazil. Years ago my credit union refused to grant me access in Brazil! Today it is no problem but be sure to call your bank and CC company to make sure. I have friends that pick me up at the airport and they go to clinica with me or drop me off or I take a cab over. They just hand me a wad of Reis and I square up with them later. They typically desire the US currency for future vacations so this works.

If it weren't for my friends I would look up AltoBomGusto. ABG has a little cottage industry where he will take you to a few clinicas for a fee. He will even speak with the girls for you and the madams to make sure you get what you want. I haven't used the service but friends of mine have and they said it was really helpful. Hell, cabs charge more than ABG does so you really can't lose..[/QUOTE]Is the a way to get in touch with AltoBomGusto? I would be interested in a guide to show me around. Being up in the US it's quite painful to get a real account on here. I'm waiting for activation to PM after sending cash via carrier pigeon!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2222095]I am going back in March and I will have more time. I promise to hit a Boate to see what the fuss is about but it's tough to beat these $60 USD options. And then they want to go home with you! I have hobbied all over the world and this scene is my first choice.

Meninas. Presentacao!

Oh excuse me its "meninas apresentao".[/QUOTE]Hey,

Stop with that fake news "presentacao" Jeez, imagine what would happen if you actually said presentaçao instead of apresentaçao? They might actually think you were a local instead of a gringo because locals routinely fail to enunciate the full word. Obrigado is an example where locals often say "brigada' or "brigado" without enunciating the O. Gringos enunciate the initial O more than locals. Same thing with "imagina", many locals pronounce it like "magina". And of course there is the erosion of the entire set of conjugations of "estou", "esta" being shortened to "to" and "ta". That is your fake news for today.

By all means check out a boate or two but go on a good day. I cannot stress this enough. Tue-Thursday are the days for the high $ boates. Sure they may be OK on other days, but if you want to see what the fuss is about, you need to see them during the peak days. There may be as many girls the other days but with less guys the vibe is different. Its not really a better buyers market when there are less guys because most of the boate girls do not adjust their pricing to reflect the demand. Most are too proud to lower their price too much and would rather go home than go too low. There is something electric when the place is full and all the women are angling.

The boates are never ever going to be a good deal price wise compared to clinicas or even free lancers, so don't even think about that. You are not paying for the hour of sex (or night if you do take out), you are paying for the thrill of being surrounded by more sexy and available women than you may ever see in one place in your life. Its the thrill of "the possibility" that you can have any woman in that place, like Aladdin with a debit card.

Its like the Ben Kingsley character says in Sexy Beast "It's not about the money. It's the charge, it's the bolt, it's the buzz, it's the sheer fuck off-ness of it all. Am I right?

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If you absolutely want the thrill of choosing a girl from a line-up or a flock at a boate, then yes you have to weigh the price-experience proposition between boates and clinicas. Some guys make the most of their clinica experience and some guys prefer chasing the girls at the boates. I think SP visitors should visit both. Who doesn't want the rush of a line-up or a group of programa girls?

There is a third way in Sao Paulo that always gets less note. It's more deliberate and requires a bit of work. Yes, read the local Portuguese boards, find lookers who perform in bed and then back research into their photos. Many of the girls reveal their faces on websites and even more on Twitter. If you're flexible and fine with fake breasts and tattoos, you will find a plethora of hot SP escorts in the 300-450 reais range some offering 90 minutes at that price. Many will provide CIM and anal without upcharge. One word: Whatsapp

It's a great option if you are working all day, tied up much of the evenings and tired. If you are lucky, you know your local colleagues well enough to say "hey, let's go to a boate or a clinica."

You said it Wyatt. There are just too many options in Sampa.

So many social engagements and so little time.

Next visit, I promise to do a better job of focusing on the Sampa scene.

Hi Members,

I'm visiting to São Paulo next week and want to know if any good place to hookup the young college girls in any spas or clubs, where I can talk in English. I know a little portugués too.

How safe is it to get the girls in hotel? Is there any risk envolved? Heard sometime they peperon like mixing in rinks.

Anyone have some local contacts please pass to me.

My Pm is active.

[QUOTE=Giants14;2217611]I appreciate all of the information you guys have provided!

I'm going to Sao Paulo next week, and will be staying for 8 days total. I was in Rio for a few days earlier this year, but have never been to Sao Paulo. I'll be staying in Moema based on what I read in this forum.

I've seen a couple people highly praise Fazendinha, including Steve just recently. I'm wondering if those who have been there would recommend spending a night in Campinas in order to check it out while I'm there. Is it something special compared to Scandallo, Bamboa, or other high end places? Is it worth the drive?[/QUOTE]By my reckoning you should be back? Tell us all about it eh? Where all did you go? Who all did you do!

Wrong thread

I find Twitter feed helpful. [URL]https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en[/URL].

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2224557]I find Twitter feed helpful. [URL]https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thank You! Very helpful. I was looking for a way into the Twitterverse of SP GDPs and that was the push I needed.

It's also useful to asses the 'photoshop gap' as the twitter photos aren't glammed up like the sites. As expected a lot of girls don't look quite so hot in candid photos but over all the gap is acceptably close.

There goes a few fun hours just cruising around for research. My word, Sampa has a ton of options.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2224557]I find Twitter feed helpful. [URL]https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en[/URL].[/QUOTE]Very cool. Is there a twitter feed that covers Rio?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2224326]By my reckoning you should be back? Tell us all about it eh? Where all did you go? Who all did you do![/QUOTE]Unfortunately I had something come up and had to change my plans. I pushed my trip back until mid October. Will report back next month!

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2224557]I find Twitter feed helpful. [URL]https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en[/URL].[/QUOTE]I found this link as well where you can check out the girls on the videos and then search for them on gpguia to find locations, TDs and prices.

[URL]https://www.xvideos.com/profiles/redsoxrs[/URL]#_tabVideos.

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2222542]Hi Members,

I'm visiting to So Paulo next week and want to know if any good place to hookup the young college girls in any spas or clubs, where I can talk in English. I know a little portugus too.

How safe is it to get the girls in hotel? Is there any risk envolved? Heard sometime they peperon like mixing in rinks.

Anyone have some local contacts please pass to me.

My Pm is active.[/QUOTE]Please PM me!

ABG.

Following up my own report about tips for vetting free lancer anuncios. Another thing that makes me go "hmmm" are the free lancers that accept credit cards, particularly the ads that say they are very young, 21 or less, new to this work, and yet "aceito cartões de débito e crédito". I expect older, established providers to accept cards, but when someone very young and supposedly new to the biz is accepting cards I become skeptical that the ad may be agency based. Ditto with "new" providers that are already working out of a flat in Moema or Jardins.

That is not to say that all agency based girls are going to disappoint but I prefer to avoid them. They are probably coached to put out as little as possible. They are liekely to be overbooked and running late. They are the biggest risk of bait and switch. And when you are texting you may not be texting directly with the provider but rather with a agency rep pretending to be the provider.

It used to be that agencies were easily identified by their phine number but now they can get separate mobile numbers for each girl in order to avoid detection. So one has to look for other tells.

I went to Scandalo with another board member last Thursday night. We went before 7 to get the 150 entrada (put toward consumption). FYI that promotion not available during F1 week. We both went with no intention of sessioning at the club so I did not even find out what the girls were asking in house. I chatted extensively with 5 and got numbers from 4, but I was up front about my intent to see them outside of the club so we never discussed price. My wing man chatted up a super cute 20 year old from Curitiba who was brand new in the club. She agreed to see him the next day and I think they settled for 500 for an hour at his place. I have only followed up with 1 of the contacts I made and the news is not good to say the least. This was a beautiful all natural 20 year old Carioca, super sweet in the club, sat on the couch with me for a long time while we chatted and exchanged contacts, then sent me a bunch of messages etc. But when I finally broached the subject of price the next day, I took the initiative trying to preempt her position. I said "I see free lancers, and I am willing to pay reasonable free lancer price, 300 plus uber for 90 minutes". LOL, I think I blew her mind. She replied that she was not a free lancer and that would not be paying for sex but for her 'momentos" (time). She wanted "2500 $ para dormir juntos e 1500 $ para passar a tarde inteira ou a noite juntos, se quiser 1 hora na sua casa 1000 $". That was a new record! I told her "no way I would pay that when I have so many options for way way less, but, hey, good luck". And that was that. Even at 21 she was experienced, having worked the big termas in Rio, and was in SP to make big $$. So there you go, the Scandalo kool aid is strong with the women there. I guess they are making their own rational decision, who knows, maybe guys pay her that much in the club. If they do, they are blowing up the market unfortunately.

Overall, the scene at Scandalo was a notch below what I had seen, I think my last visit was in May of 2017 and there was a noticeable drop in the average level of beauty. There were a lot of girls, particularly early, that were a few kilos over the line, who I would not do even do at a clinica. I mean, I have a better waist line than many of these women. There were very very few 8's for my level. The next day I got a status message from a clinica with a photo of a new girl who, if she had been at Scandalo would have been in my top 5 looks wise. So, despite my comment below about going to Scandalo for the buzz. This visit was not a great buzz form me, though I am jaded. It was a decent time, not a waste of 150, but I think the probability of getting Scandalo girls to agree to free lance market prices outside the club is pretty low. Probably a lot of the average chicks would go low, but they are average and no better looking than clinica girls. So if you go to Scandalo be prepared to pay the going rate, or just go to look like we did. Just manage expectations. There was definitely no significant difference in the "average" look between the "current" Scandalo girls and the current clinica and free lance girl. There were just "more' women and the were better dressed, and there is the club atmosphere.

Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars. The 220 normal price is higher then most comparable places. Girls the same as other places.

Receptionist are also not the freindliest either. Though one I saw today if she was a receptionist is easily the hottest around.

Also annoyed a couple of my stay overnighters are moving away or getting out of the business. New girls I like want more then I willing to pay.

I guess this is just a rant.

Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2224959]I went to Scandalo with another board member last Thursday night ...
This was a beautiful all natural 20 year old Carioca, super sweet in the club, sat on the couch with me for a long time while we chatted and exchanged contacts, then sent me a bunch of messages etc. But when I finally broached the subject of price the next day, I took the initiative trying to preempt her position. I said "I see free lancers, and I am willing to pay reasonable free lancer price, 300 plus uber for 90 minutes". LOL, I think I blew her mind. She replied that she was not a free lancer and that would not be paying for sex but for her 'momentos" (time). She wanted "2500 $ para dormir juntos e 1500 $ para passar a tarde inteira ou a noite juntos, se quiser 1 hora na sua casa 1000 $". That was a new record! I told her "no way I would pay that when I have so many options for way way less

[/QUOTE]Nice report Rovnak!

I'm not in to the over-priced (IMO) garotas at Scandalo either.

Your Carioca wanting 2500 $ for "momentos" is nuts. That over-pricing like that totally turns me off.

I found a diamond recently at a low end place near Republica, she came to my place the following day and was thrilled when I put 200 $ under her purse the next morning.

[QUOTE=DoMat;2225044]Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?[/QUOTE]Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.

Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.

That is my style. I understand a visitor has different priorities and all nighters can be special. I just don't have any pricing advice except to start low and see how they respond. I personally hate negotiating so if someone does not accept my first offer, I usually just move on to someone else.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2224840]Following up my own report about tips for vetting free lancer anuncios. Another thing that makes me go "hmmm" are the free lancers that accept credit cards, particularly the ads that say they are very young, 21 or less, new to this work, and yet "aceito cartes de dbito e crdito". I expect older, established providers to accept cards, but when someone very young and supposedly new to the biz is accepting cards I become skeptical that the ad may be agency based. Ditto with "new" providers that are already working out of a flat in Moema or Jardins.

That is not to say that all agency based girls are going to disappoint but I prefer to avoid them. They are probably coached to put out as little as possible. They are liekely to be overbooked and running late. They are the biggest risk of bait and switch. And when you are texting you may not be texting directly with the provider but rather with a agency rep pretending to be the provider.

It used to be that agencies were easily identified by their phine number but now they can get separate mobile numbers for each girl in order to avoid detection. So one has to look for other tells.[/QUOTE]I think Sao Paulo escorts learn the business very quickly. They probably learn the trade from other girls. I don't think there is any way to know for sure how young and experienced girls are beforehand. Perhaps some locals with contacts get recommendations of young talent from their network. You can also jump on a girl who has a few positive gpguia reviews before she gains experience.

I don't find agencies to be a big presence in SP or Rio. I've typically dealt directly with the girl via Whatsapp. They can be quite flirty. They don't want to lose a fish they have on the hook. I might make some requests, but I usually know from gpguia what they do or don't do. I also request certain clothing particularly if I've seen them dressed in a sexy outfit in their ads or on twitter.

Let's face it a 19 year old Brazilian girl who has taken up escorting is likely to have a lot of sexual experience. It's certainly possible to find the young girl at Scandallo who's relatively new and looking to make a few bucks. In the old Help Disco days in Rio, those young girls were typically taken under an experienced friend's wings. One time, I hooked up with a younger sister very new to the game. She was adorable, very open and a lot of fun. I'm sure her older sister assured her I was a good guy and a good time. I was younger too, better looking and in better shape.

I've found with a little bit of research that Sao Paulo escorts are quite beautiful, sexual and wanting to please.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2225111]I think Sao Paulo escorts learn the business very quickly. They probably learn the trade from other girls. I don't think there is any way to know for sure how young and experienced girls are beforehand. Perhaps some locals with contacts get recommendations of young talent from their network. You can also jump on a girl who has a few positive gpguia reviews before she gains experience.

I don't find agencies to be a big presence in SP or Rio. I've typically dealt directly with the girl via Whatsapp. They can be quite flirty. They don't want to lose a fish they have on the hook. I might make some requests, but I usually know from gpguia what they do or don't do. I also request certain clothing particularly if I've seen them dressed in a sexy outfit in their ads or on twitter.

Let's face it a 19 year old Brazilian girl who has taken up escorting is likely to have a lot of sexual experience. It's certainly possible to find the young girl at Scandallo who's relatively new and looking to make a few bucks. In the old Help Disco days in Rio, those young girls were typically taken under an experienced friend's wings..[/QUOTE]Wyatt,

Much of what you wrote is a general endorsement of SP free lancers, and I wholeheartedly agree that they are becoming more and more of a market force, and for me personally they are the sweet spot because I prefer to host. My post is in no way a knock on escorts. Its just a buyer beware tip.

You mentioned several times that you stick mostly to providers with gp-guia reviews and that is by far the "safest" strategy and the only strategy that I recommend to a visitor particularly first time visitors. My extreme vetting tips are really more for the experienced SP monger who is looking to push the envelope a little and yet still be tactically aware.

I personally seek out the less experienced newbies so I am particularly sensitive to identifying those which will be worth the risk. The newbies seldom have gp-guia TDs so that is why I am looking at other criteria, photos, verbiage, location, etc. Yes, the providers learn fast, but getting a flat in Moema or Jardins and setting up CC processing are non trivial challenges to a Brasileira which in my experience do not coincide with someone who purports to be new to the business. There is a disconnect there. Either they are being helped, IE more established friend, agency or they are not as inexperienced as they claim. Do you see what I am saying now? This applies only to providers without TDs, as TDs trump almost everything else.

Again, if you are contacting only Gp-guia established providers then this does not really apply to you, but one of my points was that as good as whatsapp is, its not fool proof. Its just texting, so the party on the other end may not be who you think. I have had several occasions where I initially thought I was texting the provider but it turned out to be a "reception / manager". I was able to feret it out but not everyone may be able to do so. Hence my tops.

How present "agencies" are is an interesting question. Certainly they are not present at all in the way they used to be in Rio with their own brands, websites and stables. Yes, those, up front agencies are gone. But there are "stealth" agencies in SP that do not want you to know they are agencies. They know that agencies have a bad rap so they go into stealth mode, they don't use land lines, they purchase different numbers for each provider, they have whatsapp "reception" pretend to be the provider. They do not admit to being agencies. This is the situation I am alerting folks to.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=DoMat;2225044]Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?[/QUOTE]Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.

Casarao report.

Went last night and was really disappointed. I usually find a couple of gems but not many (3) I would even pay for sex. Seen better lineups at most clinicas.

Did get the number of this cute black chick with amazing body that did a pole dance there.

Was quoted 250 +40 room for half hour by a couple girls. Would probably go down but wasn't interested so didn't even try. 20 to get in.

[QUOTE=DoMat;2225043]Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars. The 220 normal price is higher then most comparable places. Girls the same as other places.

Receptionist are also not the freindliest either. Though one I saw today if she was a receptionist is easily the hottest around.

Also annoyed a couple of my stay overnighters are moving away or getting out of the business. New girls I like want more then I willing to pay.

I guess this is just a rant.[/QUOTE]I hate the Brooklin reception, and they have always been nazi like like their enforcement of forista verification. I have gotten into several arguments with them where they claimed I did not write TDs and they wanted to deny me the forista price, and I had to "prove" they were wrong. And they are terrible when it comes to managing the apresentaçao. Now they are getting stricter than before it seems, smh. This is in contrast to the other clinicas who are far more casual about the forista policy.

To your point about paying the full price for "the first" , this is not new and this is not unreasonable. All of the clinicas have a similar policy of discarding "forista" cards after a period of inactivity, usually 90 days. If you return after that interval, and they no longer have your card, you need to pay full price on first return visit to reestablish your status, post a TD and then 2-and visits you receive promo. It has always been like this since they started tearing up inactive cards. Some places, like Fefao's with friendlier reception will waive the policy and reinstate you at forista level if they remember you and they are in a good mood.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2225103]Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.


Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.

That is my style. I understand a visitor has different priorities and all nighters can be special. I just don't have any pricing advice except to start low and see how they respond. I personally hate negotiating so if someone does not accept my first offer, I usually just move on to someone else.[/QUOTE]My thing for overnights is mostly that I like to fuck in the morning. There is no other practical way of doing that. Instead of having sex I am here typing this out which isn't a good substitute.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2225300]Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.[/QUOTE]Yes true.

I should clarify one thing. I wrote "There was definitely no significant difference in the "average" look between the "current" Scandalo girls and the current clinica and free lance girl. There were just "more' women and the were better dressed, and there is the club atmosphere." I was speaking about averages.

I should have added "and there are some elite stunningly beautiful women at the club, more beautiful than you will find at the clinicas, in general, but these top of the lines chicks are going to charge top $" . So if you are looking for a trophy fuck, strictly based on looks, and price is not an issue, then yes, the club provides that option.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2225300]Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.[/QUOTE]I have to say I rather like the king of the world experiences now that I reflect on it. Russia is similar. You go to a super luxe strip club and ALL girls are on offer. Not just the strippers but also the waitresses, greeting hostess, bar maids — everyone. This has a great king of the world feel because you can literally take any girl in the place. This I think is also the appeal of the lineup they do at Clinicas or other venues. Just being at the buffet is part of the thrill!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2225337]I have to say I rather like the king of the world experiences now that I reflect on it. Russia is similar. You go to a super luxe strip club and ALL girls are on offer. Not just the strippers but also the waitresses, greeting hostess, bar maids everyone. This has a great king of the world feel because you can literally take any girl in the place. This I think is also the appeal of the lineup they do at Clinicas or other venues. Just being at the buffet is part of the thrill![/QUOTE]My favorite Russia experience of that sort was when I got to bang a very hot probably 35-40 year old Uzbek mamasan from one of the better salons off of Fontanka. Unlike most of the administrators, this one was sweet and flirtatious, a bit heavier in the legs, like Uzbek women tend to be, but petite up top and a very sexy face. I used to go there quite often and she and I would flirt a bit and I would say "I wish you were working" and she would laugh. And finally after a bunch of this, I got her to agree to come see me, for a price naturally. I am telling you, it was one of the best fucks of my life. This woman fucked like she had not had sex in a year, on the bed, on the couch, on the chari, all the while screaming in Russian to wake the neighbors. It was truly remarkable. I still regret that I did not try to see her again after that. Then again, that was so crazy good it was probably best left as a one off experience.

[QUOTE=DoMat;2225043]Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars.[/QUOTE]Actually they would like to get rid of the discounts and "punch cards", because with these customers they are not making a lot of money, but they can't. Last time they tried to limit the discounts, they got local mongers against them who threatened to boycott the place.

I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

With this pricing and the reservation system the best girls are occupied almost all the time and it's almost impossible for a visiting gringo to session with the most popular ones. The full paying customers, local or gringo, should get some benefit when making a reservation, because that's where their money comes from, but of course it's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2225408]
I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

.[/QUOTE]You have got to be kidding me! That is 30-40 USD for girls I would find in the USA for 300-400 USD and probably more! I say that but the women would not be as good in the USA. More like 40 somethings. I know I am paying 220 R / hour for 2-hand and 320 R / Hour 4-hand massage and I have never left that place complaining.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2225300]Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.[/QUOTE]Steve9696, I know you found some winners at other, less expensive boates. I know this next question will generate the usual clinicas versus boates debate. So for us in SP for short visits with limited time, what's your current assessment of the clinica girls versus the boate girls. In the past, I've usually found the boate girls to be more to my liking.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2225103]Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.

Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.[/QUOTE]I first came down as a Brazil monger during Rio's hey-day in the late 90's. It was very common for girls in Help, the outside cafes and even termas girls that gave you their number to stay over. In that period, many of the out of town programa girls were holing up with several roommates and had apartments that lacked air conditioning. If you were fun and kind, it was fairly easy to get a girl to come over for the night. I generally bought them drinks, invited them to breakfast, etc. Some times breakfast turned into a sightseeing trip or an afternoon on the beach. I even re-booked some girls the next night. Generally when I was drinking and partying late into the night, I would have one or two SOGs when we got home and then another SOG when we woke up.

This happened in Sao Paulo on occasion as well. Chemistry was a big factor. I never have paid for overnight. It was just what happened. Over the years, I noticed the Brazilian girls, while not exactly clock watchers would get up and leave after a couple hours. There was less and less of that carefree, let's just have fun attitude towards time and programs.

In the later days of Help, I do remember a stunning girl who was milling around the tables at the cafe outside Help while me and the boys were having a late dinner. She said in Portuguese she was from Petropolis and had to have a place to stay that night. I barely understood her, but I agreed very quickly. My boys were not so good with Porto. Lucky me. It was like a Brazilian angel was dropped into my lap. She might have been the hottest Brazilian girl I had ever been with. I couldn't resist fucking her all night, sleeping late with her and fucking her again in the morning. I don't think she told me, but I think she was working at Centaurus that day and the next day. Centaurus was still at the very top back then.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2224959]I went to Scandalo with another board member last Thursday night....
. Probably a lot of the average chicks would go low, but they are average and no better looking than clinica girls. So if you go to Scandalo be prepared to pay the going rate, or just go to look like we did. Just manage expectations. There was definitely no significant difference in the "average" look between the "current" Scandalo girls and the current clinica and free lance girl. There were just "more' women and the were better dressed, and there is the club atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Excellent report and as we discussed before, this is just what I was afraid of. I have been having such luck at Brooklin I see no reason to pay 3 X the money or more and go to a place like this. Although, I love it when girls dress up and that is worth something. Maybe it was just a bad night or is this a trend?

Anyway, I have been in FKK sharks the past two days and although I love it here and I am having a ball I got to say that the girls are no hotter in Sharks than in the Clinicas. Also, the FKK girls tend to be a little more costly when you consider entrance and pricing structures and the Sharks girls are much more likely to upsell.

Live and learn. Thanks for the wise words Rovnak.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2225408]Actually they would like to get rid of the discounts and "punch cards", because with these customers they are not making a lot of money, but they can't. Last time they tried to limit the discounts, they got local mongers against them who threatened to boycott the place.

I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

With this pricing and the reservation system the best girls are occupied almost all the time and it's almost impossible for a visiting gringo to session with the most popular ones. The full paying customers, local or gringo, should get some benefit when making a reservation, because that's where their money comes from, but of course it's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]Understood. Thing is I get the discount every other house but at brooklin. Even got it at brooklin before they changed the rules.

Actually not true. I don't get the sweet discount at Tangara either but that isn't even advertised like Brooklyn does.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2225462]Steve9696, I know you found some winners at other, less expensive boates. I know this next question will generate the usual clinicas versus boates debate. So for us in SP for short visits with limited time, what's your current assessment of the clinica girls versus the boate girls. In the past, I've usually found the boate girls to be more to my liking.[/QUOTE]I can't profess to be an expert on Clinica vs Boate as I only did one Clinica (Tangara). My experience was that my Clinica girl was more a standard suck and fuck (and only $30) vs a more girlfriend like experience with the particular Boate girls I chose. And when I say girlfriend experience I don't mean the standard definition of BBBJ and DFK. I mean it FEELS like you are both in it together. Not a customer.

If that appeals, I think the Boate format lends itself to this because of the Club social aspect. I realize in retrospect that I spent a full 2 hours (!) with Karina at Scandallo before even talking about a room. And I was the one that brought it up! We just had a blast flirting and dancing and kissing (light) and doing what you do in a club. So by the time you get to the room there can be serious chemistry already. I think this would be hard to achieve at a Clinica.

I can't stress enough how people should not become attached to the idea that some clinicas have better lineups, or "types" of girls, than others. The only thing that is stable about the clinicas is the infrastructure. The lineups are always in flux, GPS moving from one casa to another casa. Day to day, week to week. The casas do not choose a particular body type, skin color, hair color, safadeza. These are all myths. There is a thread on gp-guia that shows where all the ex-Brooklin girls are now working. Its a who's who of the other clinicas. Tangara has a pipeline of girls that visit from Curitiba, that is about the only "exception" I can think of in terms of differentiation. Otherwise, the local girls spend a few days, weeks, months at one place, then go to another.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2222095]I have to agree. You just can't beat these girls. You just cannot! You mix the races and multiply the average female sex drive times 100! The FKK feels too transactional (I like them too). I love Montreal but unless you attend the parties you are forced to take your pick from a few headless photos and with the exchange rate, pay 3 X the price of Brazil for 1 on 1 and much more than that for a 3-sum.

I have been to the upscale termas in Rio and Joinville and paid a heck of a lot more than the clinicas. The girls in Centaurus aren't as good looking. I want to go to the tourist boates but I can't get past the clinicas. My friend who is an executive for a multi-national recommends Scandallos but even he admits that you will pay 3 x more for women that are 10% better (I am paraphrasing but he said something like this. It is the old marketing rule and he is a marketer.) My best friend's boss who is another Scandellas fan recommended setting me up with one of his apartment girls. They were more than double to price. I said no thanks, I just got back from an apartment girl..[/QUOTE]OK guys. I've monger in Curacao, DR and Colombia, I'm going to Brazil on Feb -10th-24th. Will make a stop in Rio and SP. Can someone please please explain the scene out there. Please. This stuff is confusing.

What is a Clinica?

What is a terma?

Where to find a freelancer.

Where to stay so I don't die.

From those other mongering spots. I prefer to bring the women back to my place. I feel more comfortable. How do I go about this in the most efficient and effective way. Please help fellow savages. Its my birthday so I really looking to spend. Also this is for SP. I'm working on Rio.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2227230]OK guys. I've monger in Curacao, DR and Colombia, I'm going to Brazil on Feb -10th-24th. Will make a stop in Rio and SP. Can someone please please explain the scene out there. Please. This stuff is confusing.

What is a Clinica?

What is a terma?

Where to find a freelancer.

Where to stay so I don't die.

From those other mongering spots. I prefer to bring the women back to my place. I feel more comfortable. How do I go about this in the most efficient and effective way. Please help fellow savages. Its my birthday so I really looking to spend. Also this is for SP. I'm working on Rio.[/QUOTE]Despite your really cool handle Starlord, you have to make a little effort. When the new President is elected in October, I will make him/her aware of your arrival.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2227298]Despite your really cool handle Starlord, you have to make a little effort. When the new President is elected in October, I will make him/her aware of your arrival.[/QUOTE]Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2227373]Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.[/QUOTE]Like maybe read a few reports, LOL.

All your questions would be answered.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2227230]OK guys. I've monger in Curacao, DR and Colombia, I'm going to Brazil on Feb -10th-24th. Will make a stop in Rio and SP. Can someone please please explain the scene out there. Please. This stuff is confusing.

What is a Clinica?

What is a terma?

Where to find a freelancer.

Where to stay so I don't die.

From those other mongering spots. I prefer to bring the women back to my place. I feel more comfortable. How do I go about this in the most efficient and effective way. Please help fellow savages. Its my birthday so I really looking to spend. Also this is for SP. I'm working on Rio.[/QUOTE]Clinica. Massage house with FS. And no massage. Most only open during day. You get a lineup style and then choose a girl.

Termas. Sort of a club with working girls. Only in Rio. Never been myself, description probably somewhere here.

Freelancer. In Sao Paulo PM me.

Stay. In Sao Paulo. Moema, Itaim Bibi, Jardins are good areas. At least a couple of good Clinicas in Moema. Itaim has some night life with Vila Olimpia neighboring.

[QUOTE=DZone;2227703]Clinica. Massage house with FS. And no massage. Most only open during day. You get a lineup style and then choose a girl.

Termas. Sort of a club with working girls. Only in Rio. Never been myself, description probably somewhere here.

Freelancer. In Sao Paulo PM me.

Stay. In Sao Paulo. Moema, Itaim Bibi, Jardins are good areas. At least a couple of good Clinicas in Moema. Itaim has some night life with Vila Olimpia neighboring.[/QUOTE]Thank you for that sir. I will be sending a PM.

I will be traveling to So Paulo and want to know which taxi to take from airport to my hotel in barueri.

Any recommendations for taxi and what would be approx cost, because, I'll have luggage's and I don't speak portugus.

Help me guys.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2227373]Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Are you for serious and real?

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2227798]I will be traveling to So Paulo and want to know which taxi to take from airport to my hotel in barueri.

Any recommendations for taxi and what would be approx cost, because, I'll have luggage's and I don't speak portugus.

Help me guys.[/QUOTE]You're looking at probably are $100. Save your money and take an Uber.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2227373]Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.[/QUOTE]Steve9696 wrote a series of extensive Sao Paulo reports on his recent trip. I didn't re-read them, but they covered the SP scene with what I believe was almost every venue and channel for hooking-up with pros. HungryStud101 wrote some fresh reports on the SP clinica scene.

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2227798]I will be traveling to So Paulo and want to know which taxi to take from airport to my hotel in barueri.

Any recommendations for taxi and what would be approx cost, because, I'll have luggage's and I don't speak portugus.

Help me guys.[/QUOTE]A taxi from GRU airport to Jardins (28 km) is BRL 150, the distance from GRU to Barueri is 50 km, so the price could be some BRL 250. If you want to know exactly, send an e-mail to [EMAIL]secretaria@guarucoop.com.br[/EMAIL] and ask them. Uber black is BRL 130-170.

In considering flight options for my first trip to Rio, I noticed that when I go on [URL]Skiplagged.com[/URL] I come across some interesting flight routes that offer economy with an odd extended layover in SP. We were talking close to an entire day between flights and enough time to justify getting a room. My first thought is this would be a good opportunity to do a bit of mongering and enjoying what is purported to be the most beautiful women in Brazil, before catching a flight to GIG. Then again, maybe I am not giving SP due consideration. It does have the reputation as a business capital with little of touristic interest, but that reputation comes people who have never been to Brazil AFAIK. What are your opinions on SP for one's first visit to Brazil? I'm not a conventional tourist, obviously.

BTW, I'm actually a huge fan of Brazilian music, whether it be Bossa Nova or MPB. For all I know, SP is the live music capital of Brazil. I've picked up Portuguese better than Spanish (I'm studying both languages casually) I believe because of all the music I listen to sung in Brazilian Portuguese. I can barely handle listening to Spanish language music. Which usually doesn't have much to say. Its been said that Brazil hasn't produced much in the way of science and intellect, but they sure hit out of ballpark when it comes to song and dance.

Anyways, I am curious what some would think about visiting SP on the way in and out of the country as a layover, or does it deserve more time when weighed against the glamorous and fabled Rio. I understand that domestic flights are cheap, anyways. Your thoughts, please.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2228053]A taxi from GRU airport to Jardins (28 km) is BRL 150, the distance from GRU to Barueri is 50 km, so the price could be some BRL 250. If you want to know exactly, send an e-mail to [EMAIL]secretaria@guarucoop.com.br[/EMAIL] and ask them. Uber black is BRL 130-170.[/QUOTE]Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.

[QUOTE=Kcrl02;2227925]You're looking at probably are $100. Save your money and take an Uber.[/QUOTE]Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2228100]In considering flight options for my first trip to Rio, I noticed that when I go on [URL]Skiplagged.com[/URL] I come across some interesting flight routes that offer economy with an odd extended layover in SP. We were talking close to an entire day between flights and enough time to justify getting a room. My first thought is this would be a good opportunity to do a bit of mongering and enjoying what is purported to be the most beautiful women in Brazil, before catching a flight to GIG. Then again, maybe I am not giving SP due consideration. It does have the reputation as a business capital with little of touristic interest, but that reputation comes people who have never been to Brazil AFAIK. What are your opinions on SP for one's first visit to Brazil? I'm not a conventional tourist, obviously.

BTW, I'm actually a huge fan of Brazilian music, whether it be Bossa Nova or MPB. For all I know, SP is the live music capital of Brazil. I've picked up Portuguese better than Spanish (I'm studying both languages casually) I believe because of all the music I listen to sung in Brazilian Portuguese. I can barely handle listening to Spanish language music. Which usually doesn't have much to say. Its been said that Brazil hasn't produced much in the way of science and intellect, but they sure hit out of ballpark when it comes to song and dance.

Anyways, I am curious what some would think about visiting SP on the way in and out of the country as a layover, or does it deserve more time when weighed against the glamorous and fabled Rio. I understand that domestic flights are cheap, anyways. Your thoughts, please.[/QUOTE]My personal opinion is that it would not be productive to go out of your way to intentionally arrange a multi hour layover in SP if your destination is Rio. SP is huge, so you would either have to go to place near the airport which is not known as a mongering hotbed and little documented or travel into the city, visit one arbitrary locale and hustle back to the airport. Neither f those situations in any way shape or form represents "seeing SP".

My advice, since you asked for advice, go to Rio, explore Rio, take your time. Then schedule a trip to SP at a later date where you can also take your time. Both Rio and SP are great mongering destinations, but neither should be rushed if possible.

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2228179]Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.[/QUOTE]Yes, Uber and Guarucoop (airport taxi) are both safe.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2227767]Thank you for that sir. I will be sending a PM.[/QUOTE]I guess I can't do PM because I am not a paid member. Just search for andarilhogp.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2228290]My advice, since you asked for advice, go to Rio, explore Rio, take your time. Then schedule a trip to SP at a later date where you can also take your time. Both Rio and SP are great mongering destinations, but neither should be rushed if possible.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input. Now I have at least a week and leaning towards two weeks down in Brazil. Think I could see enough of Rio and get tired of it in less than two weeks (this requiring a side trip)?

BTW, you seem a cultured man, so I am curious what are the better cities for clubs with good live jazz and native Brazilian music? If I could spend an afternoon enjoying some fine bunda, followed by a satisfying meal and end the day in a club listening to Bossa Nova over a nice cocktail, I couldn't be happier if I was to suddenly fall over dead.

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2228180]Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.[/QUOTE]I use Uber in Sampa a couple of times and I have had no problems. I remember my first time to Brazil and my company tried to scare the hell out of all of us so we wouldn't leave our rooms. Fuck it. I sneaked out and went to Centaurus and Balcony. I'm not going to live like this. I haven't had a problem with a cab or Uber. I have even used the bus to and from the airport. This is just my $. 02.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2228290]My personal opinion is that it would not be productive to go out of your way to intentionally arrange a multi hour layover in SP if your destination is Rio. SP is huge, so you would either have to go to place near the airport which is not known as a mongering hotbed and little documented or travel into the city, visit one arbitrary locale and hustle back to the airport. Neither f those situations in any way shape or form represents "seeing SP".

My advice, since you asked for advice, go to Rio, explore Rio, take your time. Then schedule a trip to SP at a later date where you can also take your time. Both Rio and SP are great mongering destinations, but neither should be rushed if possible.[/QUOTE]This is probably true. If I were coming for the first time I would do Rio and maybe do a short stop in Sampa if I could get a local like AltoBomGusto to take me to a few casas. I like this so much that I would considre something like flying into Rio and staying X amount of days then taking a flight up to Sampa and staying 3 or 4 clinicas and maybe a boate and then leave for home from Sampa. I just think you need more help in Sampa because it is not geared for tourists like Rio is.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2228597]Thanks for your input. Now I have at least a week and leaning towards two weeks down in Brazil. Think I could see enough of Rio and get tired of it in less than two weeks (this requiring a side trip)?

BTW, you seem a cultured man, so I am curious what are the better cities for clubs with good live jazz and native Brazilian music? If I could spend an afternoon enjoying some fine bunda, followed by a satisfying meal and end the day in a club listening to Bossa Nova over a nice cocktail, I couldn't be happier if I was to suddenly fall over dead.[/QUOTE]I tried to send you a PM but your mailbox is full.

So I took a mega chance and flew my Unicorn (remember Thifany my perfect ten from Fazendinha?) to London and it has been spectacular. We are both admittedly um pouco louco since we had previously only known each other for 5 hours total!

It was a mega hassle with flights (she's never been out of the country before) but wow what an intimate experience. Our mad chemistry made any awkwardness melt away and we are just having the time of our lives. It is such a joy to experience London through her eyes. She is like a giddy school girl and I love it.

I continue to believe Brasileiras are a Breed apart. Her zest for life is a thing to behold. I feel lucky to share it for a few days.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2228907]So I took a mega chance and flew my Unicorn (remember Thifany my perfect ten from Fazendinha?) to London and it has been spectacular. We are both admittedly um pouco louco since we had previously only known each other for 5 hours total!

It was a mega hassle with flights (she's never been out of the country before) but wow what an intimate experience. Our mad chemistry made any awkwardness melt away and we are just having the time of our lives. It is such a joy to experience London through her eyes. She is like a giddy school girl and I love it.

I continue to believe Brasileiras are a Breed apart. Her zest for life is a thing to behold. I feel lucky to share it for a few days.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a scene out of the movie Pretty Woman. LOL.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2228982]Sounds like a scene out of the movie Pretty Woman. LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually the good news is that living together for a few days helps me see the parts about her that I don't like so well. I love being with her but could never be in a serious relationship with her. This is actually very GOOD news. The slippery slope was a bit scary.

I'm going to be stay in Barueri for 2 weeks.

Please someone hint me any mongering areas of some good girls to call my 5 star apartment.

Any clubs or place near by so that I can do some mongering.

I know Sapma is huge and without guidelines I would not be able to utilise my time

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2228907]So I took a mega chance and flew my Unicorn (remember Thifany my perfect ten from Fazendinha?) to London and it has been spectacular. We are both admittedly um pouco louco since we had previously only known each other for 5 hours total!

It was a mega hassle with flights (she's never been out of the country before) but wow what an intimate experience. Our mad chemistry made any awkwardness melt away and we are just having the time of our lives. It is such a joy to experience London through her eyes. She is like a giddy school girl and I love it.

I continue to believe Brasileiras are a Breed apart. Her zest for life is a thing to behold. I feel lucky to share it for a few days.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.

[QUOTE=Funnhttps://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/barueriyLoverBoy;2229080]I'm going to be stay in Barueri for 2 weeks.

Please someone hint me any mongering areas of some good girls to call my 5 star apartment.

Any clubs or place near by so that I can do some mongering.

I know Sapma is huge and without guidelines I would not be able to utilise my time[/QUOTE]Barueri is to the west, its actually a separate municipality. This is not an area covered by many in this forum so you cannot expect much help. You have 3 options.

1. Do your own research on local sites like gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] for keywords Barueri and Osasco.

2. Deal directly with escorts either in or out call, here is a link to a highly searchable escort site pre filtered for Bareri.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/barueri[/URL]

Here is same group filtered to show the escorts that have receieved positive (and maybe negative) reviews on local review sites.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/barueri/tds-positivos[/URL]

You can see there are a lot that are not reviewed. I wrote several posts recently about how I vet the unreviewed ads. Beware TGTBT ads.

3. Take uber into the city. Write down a list of the places that are discussed here, use google maps to establish the distances from your place and decide how much you are willing to travel.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2229139]I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.[/QUOTE]There might be some theoretical legal violation for a US guy to arrange for a foreign lady to fly to a non-US country for travel / sex that he pays for, if the funds arise from the US, but no practical problem there as long as she is 18 or over. The laws against prostitution do not travel with a US guy unless she is under 18.

The difficulty I was talking about was the tendency of US Immigration / Border Patrol to heavily question ladies arriving into the US alone. We have learned a lot from the stories of Montreal escorts touring the US, of which there are fewer every year due to many of them being banned. There is actually a prohibition in US laws for women entering the US who have worked in the sex industry (even legally) during a period of time preceding that entry. US Immigration / Border Patrol actually has databases of Canadian escorts who advertise in Canada and spends a significant length of time and effort matching those ads / photos to Canadian escorts who advertise a US tour. They often pull them aside for questioning, look for condoms / sex toys on the way in, and for money on the way back in bag searches. When confronted with agents who show them ads, websites, evidence, etc. , most agree to a temporary ban from entering the US.

It is pretty fucking unbelievable that US Immigration / Border Patrol spends its time this way. It is not political as it has spanned several Presidents. Obviously it picked up in scope after 9/11 and the increased funding for the agency.

The entry point is the practical issue. When someone enters Europe for vacation, they say Welcome, even if the traveler is alone. Quite a bit different when entering the US, where single travelers, particularly women, are often targeted for further screening.

I have simply told guys I question the wisdom of putting there future in the hands of a scared young lady being grilled in a room by experienced TSA interrogators. If she is promised no legal problems for just signing a form stating that Mr. Smith, who is all over her email and text history, purchased her plane ticket and promised to pay (maybe with a deposit) $XXX for a week of sex. Mr. Smith could get charged with some federal felonies.

Compare this to the almost 0 percent chance of him ever getting charged with a minor state misdemeanor for booking a US escort who screens her customers, and I have just always told guys I think it is unwise to fly Canadian (or other foreign escorts) into the US. Just my opinion, and bad things don't always happen, but it is a reasonable thought pattern. I think US guys should either go to the foreign country themselves or book a local US escort who is safe from law enforcement scrutiny charges a lot and screens. A lot of US johns are really lousy at evaluating probabilities, and often choose a method, such as an inexpensive local lady who does no screening, that greatly increases their risk. The screening protects them, even if they give up personal information. And flying a foreign girl in is really risky unless she is very savvy with her story if questioned.

But meeting the foreign lady in a neutral country wouldn't generate the same level of risks for the US guy.

FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.

M88,

Well reasoned and well written. Nobody can be entirely certain about just what CPB is looking for but much of what you say is likely true. My home market used to have hot girls from MTL that would come through regularly. It stopped some years ago, during Obama in fact. Depressing.

With FOSTA, and the demise of local review boards and verifications services, my local market has become unworkable. I could spend a lot of time chasing low quality providers. And by time I don't mean online but actually driving to meet them for a likely disappointing session. So I'm forced to fly hours away, which has its benefits but I miss a hot reliable local option. I had 3 but they've aged out and to replace them is just too much work.

Good advice too about doing a fling abroad rather than at home to lower risk.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2229150]There might be some theoretical legal violation for a US guy to arrange for a foreign lady to fly to a non-US country for travel / sex that he pays for, if the funds arise from the US, but no practical problem there as long as she is 18 or over. The laws against prostitution do not travel with a US guy unless she is under 18.

The difficulty I was talking about was the tendency of US Immigration / Border Patrol to heavily question ladies arriving into the US alone. We have learned a lot from the stories of Montreal escorts touring the US, of which there are fewer every year due to many of them being banned. There is actually a prohibition in US laws for women entering the US who have worked in the sex industry (even legally) during a period of time preceding that entry. US Immigration / Border Patrol actually has databases of Canadian escorts who advertise in Canada and spends a significant length of time and effort matching those ads / photos to Canadian escorts who advertise a US tour. They often pull them aside for questioning, look for condoms / sex toys on the way in, and for money on the way back in bag searches. When confronted with agents who show them ads, websites, evidence, etc. , most agree to a temporary ban from entering the US.

It is pretty fucking unbelievable that US Immigration / Border Patrol spends its time this way. It is not political as it has spanned several Presidents. Obviously it picked up in scope after 9/11 and the increased funding for the agency.

The entry point is the practical issue. When someone enters Europe for vacation, they say Welcome, even if the traveler is alone. Quite a bit different when entering the US, where single travelers, particularly women, are often targeted for further screening.

I have simply told guys I question the wisdom of putting there future in the hands of a scared young lady being grilled in a room by experienced TSA interrogators. If she is promised no legal problems for just signing a form stating that Mr. Smith, who is all over her email and text history, purchased her plane ticket and promised to pay (maybe with a deposit) $XXX for a week of sex. Mr. Smith could get charged with some federal felonies.

Compare this to the almost 0 percent chance of him ever getting charged with a minor state misdemeanor for booking a US escort who screens her customers, and I have just always told guys I think it is unwise to fly Canadian (or other foreign escorts) into the US. Just my opinion, and bad things don't always happen, but it is a reasonable thought pattern. I think US guys should either go to the foreign country themselves or book a local US escort who is safe from law enforcement scrutiny charges a lot and screens. A lot of US johns are really lousy at evaluating probabilities, and often choose a method, such as an inexpensive local lady who does no screening, that greatly increases their risk. The screening protects them, even if they give up personal information. And flying a foreign girl in is really risky unless she is very savvy with her story if questioned.

But meeting the foreign lady in a neutral country wouldn't generate the same level of risks for the US guy.[/QUOTE]

I have taken several girls whom I met in boates or who were freelancing GDPs to Europe, the UK and one to the USA twice (that requires more planning).

It is not prostitution when you do a BF / GF thing, even though I give them money. Everyone knows the line, "I pay them to go home after we have sex". That more or less defines a prostitute. When you take a GDP to Europe or the USA, you no longer have the luxury that they automatically dissapear. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

In any case, INS is not going to prosecute anyone for trafficking for this offense.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2229309]M88,

Well reasoned and well written. Nobody can be entirely certain about just what CPB is looking for but much of what you say is likely true. My home market used to have hot girls from MTL that would come through regularly. It stopped some years ago, during Obama in fact. Depressing.

With FOSTA, and the demise of local review boards and verifications services, my local market has become unworkable. I could spend a lot of time chasing low quality providers. And by time I don't mean online but actually driving to meet them for a likely disappointing session. So I'm forced to fly hours away, which has its benefits but I miss a hot reliable local option. I had 3 but they've aged out and to replace them is just too much work.

Good advice too about doing a fling abroad rather than at home to lower risk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Forest;2229740]I have taken several girls whom I met in boates or who were freelancing GDPs to Europe, the UK and one to the USA twice (that requires more planning).

It is not prostitution when you do a BF / GF thing, even though I give them money. Everyone knows the line, "I pay them to go home after we have sex". That more or less defines a prostitute. When you take a GDP to Europe or the USA, you no longer have the luxury that they automatically dissapear. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

In any case, INS is not going to prosecute anyone for trafficking for this offense.[/QUOTE]With facts like you wrote, what I posted would be nonsense.

I was not talking about accompanying a lady. I was talking about a guy arranging for a lady he barely knows to fly in to see him in the US. Pretty awkward situation if she gets chosen for additional screening and takes out a crumpled yellow piece of paper, or has to access her email, to remember what your name is.

Some ladies are savvy, some aren't.

What you described is a lot different than what I described.

Many of us were very surprised to find out from the Montreal local board that US Immigration maintains a database of Canadian escort ads. This information comes from the providers themselves and their experiences.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2229161]FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.[/QUOTE]This is great news. One thing I have done in the past is to spend half the time in Jardins and the other half in Moema. I enjoy the clinicas in Moema which are better than the clinicas reachable from Paulista in my opinion but often, while in Moema, I found myself eating at the food court in the mall. Those were the days when I was younger and two pops on the same day for multiple days was no problem. But also in those days Kilt and Bomboa were two of my favorite clubs which are closer to Jardins. In Moema, Bahamas was within walking distance from the shopping center. There was another nightclub called Akaza in Moema that was decent. Now in Moema, I can't recommend Zeus Bar or Bahamas based past experiences and Akaza is closed.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2230019] but often, while in Moema, I found myself eating at the food court in the mall. .[/QUOTE]Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2229779]

Many of us were very surprised to find out from the Montreal local board that US Immigration maintains a database of Canadian escort ads. This information comes from the providers themselves and their experiences.[/QUOTE]This is so true. And what is the charge? Apparently there is some type of Anti-morality clause and escorts are not allowed to travel to the United States within 10 years of being an escort. It sounds silly but many escorts from Montreal have been banned. This was a surprise learning for me.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2230049]Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.[/QUOTE]Haha, sorry, just read this and it reads very snippy. I did not mean it to come across that way.

I was just wondering if you meant that you were in the mall because there were no other good options or you were just in the mall to kill time between your sessions?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2230103]Haha, sorry, just read this and it reads very snippy. I did not mean it to come across that way.[/QUOTE]Ah-ha, I think Rovnak and Traveller44 are the same person. ;)

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2229139]I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.[/QUOTE]Ok. The amazing Thifany visit is in the books and it was a blast. I confess however it was seriously stressful at points. Particularly at arrival but also trying to work around work.

It did not start well when I received a call from her balling her eyes out because she missed her flight. She was truly upset. I had my scam alert radar up but was overruled by both compassion for her and my desire to really do this thing I planned. So I made the split second decision to book her another flight. The other big complication was neither of us had data plans for UK. So our Whatapp communication goes completely dark when either one lacks WiFi. This happened at final arrival where I waited for 45 minutes desperately trying to get WiFi and was literally leaving when she found me! Ok so that is the fair warning that this was a pain in the ass, but totally worth it in the end.

We hit it off again right away in the Taxi — cuddling and light kissing and soon full on DFK. This girl had no western inhibitions. And really she was like a schoolgirl seeing London. (She is 24) Just giddy with excitement.

I won't go into all the details as it would be too long. The highlight really is going clubbing with her. We went to dance clubs 4 nights. The Zoo was our favorite. They recognized us on Wed from our Tues night visit and waved us straight through the VIP rope. On Thursday they waved us through and comped our entry. 😀 When I tell you this girl owns the club I am not lying. I've never seen anything like it. Dances like a beast and gets everyone going. We were dancing pulling in others; she even had me comfortable dancing with guys — girl girl guy gay girl guy altogether it was just one crazy party of people and she was the spotlight girl.

Sunday I have to admit I was jealous when she'the bring a guy into our one on one, but then she'the do some girl on girl or a group. It is just HER as a being. You embrace it or you walk away. I embraced it. I distinctly remember thinking around 2 AM one night at Zoo "this is the most fun I have ever had in my life" and I have to admit I love having everyone want my girl and I know she is going home with me. Oh and on slow songs we'the just move our hips and DFK — no doubt whose girl she was!

In the bedroom she gives some of the best head this planet has ever seen with sensuous ball sucking and great eye contact. Her lips are the prettiest I've ever seen, so watching is a thing of wonder. Her cowgirl is top notch and she has a banging body which is great to watch grinding.

We had a couple little rough spots but we moved past them. It was just BF / GF all the way. A great week.

Thanks for your thoughts on US. I need to think about this as she wants to do it again and so do I.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2229139]I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.[/QUOTE]Ok. The amazing Thifany visit is in the books and it was a blast. I confess however it was seriously stressful at points. Particularly at arrival but also trying to work around work.

It did not start well when I received a call from her balling her eyes out because she missed her flight. She was truly upset. I had my scam alert radar up but was overruled by both compassion for her and my desire to really do this thing I planned. So I made the split second decision to book her another flight. The other big complication was neither of us had data plans for UK. So our Whatapp communication goes completely dark when either one lacks WiFi. This happened at final arrival where I waited for 45 minutes desperately trying to get WiFi and was literally leaving when she found me! Ok so that is the fair warning that this was a pain in the ass, but totally worth it in the end.

We hit it off again right away in the Taxi — cuddling and light kissing and soon full on DFK. This girl had no western inhibitions. And really she was like a schoolgirl seeing London. (She is 24) Just giddy with excitement.

I won't go into all the details as it would be too long. The highlight really is going clubbing with her. We went to dance clubs 4 nights. The Zoo was our favorite. They recognized us on Wed from our Tues night visit and waved us straight through the VIP rope. On Thursday they waved us through and comped our entry. 😀 When I tell you this girl owns the club I am not lying. I've never seen anything like it. Dances like a beast and gets everyone going. We were dancing pulling in others; she even had me comfortable dancing with guys — girl girl guy gay girl guy altogether it was just one crazy party of people and she was the spotlight girl.

Sunday I have to admit I was jealous when she'the bring a guy into our one on one, but then she'the do some girl on girl or a group. It is just HER as a being. You embrace it or you walk away. I embraced it. I distinctly remember thinking around 2 AM one night at Zoo "this is the most fun I have ever had in my life" and I have to admit I love having everyone want my girl and I know she is going home with me. Oh and on slow songs we'the just move our hips and DFK — no doubt whose girl she was!

In the bedroom she gives some of the best head this planet has ever seen with sensuous ball sucking and great eye contact. Her lips are the prettiest I've ever seen, so watching is a thing of wonder. Her cowgirl is top notch and she has a banging body which is great to watch grinding.

We had a couple little rough spots but we moved past them. It was just BF / GF all the way. A great week.

Thanks for your thoughts on US. I need to think about this as she wants to do it again and so do I.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2230049]Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.[/QUOTE]It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs. Bahamas was dead last time I went. Zeus Bar was okay. Akaza was closed. My information is old. I have not been there in 4 years.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2230333]It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs. Bahamas was dead last time I went. Zeus Bar was okay. Akaza was closed. My information is old. I have not been there in 4 years.[/QUOTE]My impression of Moema was that at night where you wanted to go in Moema -restaurants, bars- were spread out. There are far less hotels than Jardins, but with AirBnB that's a minor issue.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2230333]It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs.[/QUOTE]A "day trip" LOL! You make it sound like it would be several hours away. I do agree that Moema is essentially for daytime action though when it comes to mongering. All the good nightclubs are somewhere else in the city. Except for the restaurants, I found Moema to be pretty dead and boring at night. One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2230356] One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL![/QUOTE]So why didn't you go? That sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass over.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2230356]A "day trip" LOL! You make it sound like it would be several hours away. I do agree that Moema is essentially for daytime action though when it comes to mongering. All the good nightclubs are somewhere else in the city. Except for the restaurants, I found Moema to be pretty dead and boring at night. One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL![/QUOTE]Before I describe Moema at night I want to say I am not lobbying that folks stay there. The beauty of the metro opening is that it is now possible to stay in Other parts of the city and visit Moema via metro during rush hour or vice versa. It just opens up a lot of convenience in either direction.

Moema at night depends on the type of nighttime action you are looking for. Its definitely not as dense as Itaim Bib / vila Olympia when it comes to swanky bars or baladas. It does however have several blues and rock type clubs not far from Chanes 57. And it has the largest concentration of swing clubs perhaps in the world. But in general I agree that it can be boring at night for s visitor. But that was why I had said that if you stay there you can uber at night to otherplaces and at night you don't have traffic issues. So the recommendation was never predicated on the nightlife. When I first arrive in Moema Bahamas was the top club in the city and American Bar, now Zeus was roaring too, and the old Cafe Photo was very close and a lot of fun. Now both are pretty dead unfortunately and Photo relocated to its presentlocation. Chanes 57 is open late and its more like a men's club with garotas.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2230428]So why didn't you go? That sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass over.[/QUOTE]She wasn't my type optics wise. Not totally unattractive, but maybe not even a solid 7 max on my scale. Plus with swinging, if you're going to have a partner you really need to know each other well in order for it all to work out right. I was just passing through for a few weeks. So decided I just wanted to commit my time and money to the confirmed 8's and up I was seeing in places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo (to a lesser degree), and fucking 7's in the daytime at the clinicas.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2230428]So why didn't you go? That sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass over.[/QUOTE]If you are interested going to a swing club, just ask a clinica girl. Many girls have asked me if I want to go. I never went, but they would have charged me something very reasonable.

Hey guys, please let me know if the girls shown here in this pages are real or not?

Any experience if anyone has?

[URL]https://www.acompanhantesuniversitaria.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2231272]Hey guys, please let me know if the girls shown here in this pages are real or not?

Any experience if anyone has?

[URL]https://www.acompanhantesuniversitaria.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I did a google image search on one of the photos of "Raphaela Suzuki" and hit a greek instagram match.

Did you read my posts about SP escort sites? They are within the last 10 pages. Those posts should allow you to do your own evaluations better.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2231281]I did a google image search on one of the photos of "Raphaela Suzuki" and hit a greek instagram match.

Did you read my posts about SP escort sites? They are within the last 10 pages. Those posts should allow you to do your own evaluations better.[/QUOTE]Listen to Rovnak! Escort websites are not WYSIWYG just like they are not almost everywhere in the world. Don't get a hard-on from the photos. I suggest trying to learn how to read gpguia the local reviews or translate what you don't understand. It take a few minutes to figure out how to find the highly-rated escorts. Find the highly-rated girls then move to the on-line photos. Twitter photos are less photoshopped.

I remember having this discussion with some guy last year who was on the ground who claimed he was just randomly selecting girls from photoacompanhantes. He couldn't be bothered with reviews. Point and click! I think he had Amazon Prime or somethin'. It started off great, then it progressively got worse and then he stopped posting about his experience.

Looking at organizing my first trip to Brazil shortly and at this stage planning for most of my time to be in SP. I've read a number of posts and the reports of distinction, but hoped I could get some direct answers to the below if possible:

1. After reading some descriptions and checking out some photos posted I'm just conscious the most common 'type' in Brazil tend to be your curvy types, where my preference tend to be towards petite / athletic builds. I get that in a city as large as SP, of course there will be some girls which fit my 'type', but will this severely limit my options?

2. As a complete non-Portuguese speaker how big of an impediment will this be? Are there some options completely off the table because of language barriers?

3. I've read about a lot of members, finding girls details and then contacting them via whatsapp before they get there. Where are you finding these girls to start with? Tinder? Agency sites?

Appreciate any advice any of you might have to give, and hopefully might meet some of you in person when I'm down there.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ManchesterCat;2233320]Looking at organizing my first trip to Brazil shortly and at this stage planning for most of my time to be in SP. I've read a number of posts and the reports of distinction, but hoped I could get some direct answers to the below if possible:

1. After reading some descriptions and checking out some photos posted I'm just conscious the most common 'type' in Brazil tend to be your curvy types, where my preference tend to be towards petite / athletic builds. I get that in a city as large as SP, of course there will be some girls which fit my 'type', but will this severely limit my options?

2. As a complete non-Portuguese speaker how big of an impediment will this be? Are there some options completely off the table because of language barriers?

3. I've read about a lot of members, finding girls details and then contacting them via whatsapp before they get there. Where are you finding these girls to start with? Tinder? Agency sites?

Appreciate any advice any of you might have to give, and hopefully might meet some of you in person when I'm down there.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You won't have any problems finding your type. Go to Scandalo or Casaero or any of the big Boates in SP really and you will find all types. Almost all my girls from the ten girls in seven days tour, fit your description. Karina, Carolina, Mary, Thifany, Duda — all petite (Thifany is tall but petite / athletic body type).

You will be OK with English but it is a real shame if you don't put in the effort. You can improve your experience by 3 x by investing $98 and 10 hours in Pimsleur Brazilian Portuguese. The girls absolutely love it.

I really recommend the Boates because you get an in person feel for the girl. If you want to plan ahead, then go to Photoaccompanhantes and search. Don't pick a girl with less than 10 reviews. And login to gpguia and use google translate to read them. Or save yourself the trouble and book Mary Ninfeta right now. . But really the Boates are a better bet than trying to find the right independent. Too much margin for error.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2233540] If you want to plan ahead, then go to Photoaccompanhantes and search. Don't pick a girl with less than 10 reviews. And login to gpguia and use google translate to read them. .... But really the Boates are a better bet than trying to find the right independent. Too much margin for error.[/QUOTE]Agree with your last sentence, But for those who dip into the Photoaccompanhantes pool, I don't think one needs to consider only those with 10 reviews. 1 well written review by a.

"forista" with a good track record, I. E a forista who has written a substantial number of TDs is worth more than a bunch of TDs by foristas who guys with no track record. Some providers try to game the system by creating fake gpguia accounts and self reviewing. These are pretty obvious because these accounts only write few TDs. Do the "TD count" of the reviewer is in some ways more important than the TD count of the provider. I. E quality over quantity.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2233615]1 well written review by a "forista" with a good track record, I. E a forista who has written a substantial number of TDs is worth more than a bunch of TDs by foristas who guys with no track record. Some providers try to game the system by creating fake gpguia accounts and self reviewing. These are pretty obvious because these accounts only write few TDs. Do the "TD count" of the reviewer is in some ways more important than the TD count of the provider. I. E quality over quantity.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's true. If there is a prolific reviewer or two, that says a lot. If you can find a superstar with many prolific reviewers weighing in, you can avoid YMMV girls. I'm sure older guys want an escort who has had some experience with different demographics.

P.S.- Tripadvisor drives me crazy with the amount of reviewers with only one review. Very bad quality control.

I'm prepping for my Sampa trip in a few weeks and scoping out the Gpguia reviews for the girls I'm finding on twitter. In trying to register for a username on the site, they require a phone number. Not sure it's prudent or useful to give my personal cell phone and I won't have a Brazilian phone until I'm in country. Wonder if any have any advice. I can see the escort reviews without a profile but can't see the boites TDs or do a search.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2234207]I'm prepping for my Sampa trip in a few weeks and scoping out the Gpguia reviews for the girls I'm finding on twitter. In trying to register for a username on the site, they require a phone number. Not sure it's prudent or useful to give my personal cell phone and I won't have a Brazilian phone until I'm in country. Wonder if any have any advice. I can see the escort reviews without a profile but can't see the boites TDs or do a search.[/QUOTE]Try using an active phone number you find on the internet. Perhaps a hotel. You don't even need to be staying there. Back in the day when they required a Brazilian social security type number, I just hijacked one I found on the internet.

I registered without giving a tele # a few weeks ago. There might be a question at the bottom to answer to protect from bots. Mine had the answer of "plane" but need to place the portuguese word (of course) avião. Your question might be different.

GF.

[QUOTE=ManchesterCat;2233320]......After reading some descriptions and checking out some photos posted I'm just conscious the most common 'type' in Brazil tend to be your curvy types, where my preference tend to be towards petite / athletic builds. I get that in a city as large as SP, of course there will be some girls which fit my 'type', but will this severely limit my options?[/QUOTE]Okay, petite / athletic build is a bit perplexing. I'm thinking you like petite girls who workout and are toned. Mayara Alencar came to mind. She retired after college, but now she is back on a limited basis. She's pretty, natural and a bit of a gym rat. She has the perfect, bubble ass for my tastes and it isn't one of those padded asses from the factory. She's very affectionate and attentive with stellar reviews. She does not do anal or CIM. Too bad, that ass begs to be tapped.

Mayara has extensive photos on Twitter and the internet. If you go back further, she occasionally reveals more of her face. There is a photo somewhere with her in workout stretch pants. If that is what you mean by athletic, you will be happy.

If you contact her, be patient and flexible. She has many regulars. Whatsapp her using a Portuguese translation. It appears now she only does outcall to places with a front desk / reception. Read her wordpress website before asking questions. Generally, the popular escorts want to know what times you are available and where. Guys, who ask a bunch of questions don't get answers because they are most likely answered on her website. She also only answers if there is a photo connected to your Whatsapp. Her new rules, not mine.

[URL]https://twitter.com/MayarahAlencar[/URL]

[URL]https://acompanhantedeluxosuicidegirl.wordpress.com/home/[/URL]

My first business trip to Sao Paulo.

I have always had a thing for small bubble butts with that thigh gap. Medium breasts are great as well. Thiffany sounds delightful. Are there any pictures of these ladies?

I have WhatsApp and Google Translate. Where would I find these ladies? I will be in a hotel Near the US consulate I think Brooklin?

Thank Guys for the help.

OK so I posted the bottom four already -- none of which was poor. They all crossed the good bar, with Thifany and friend crossing well into very good territory. The remaining six vary from excellent to life changing.

Carol. Boate Ilha. R550 plus R600 drinks and bar fine (yeah I know!

Club: Boate Ilha -- As mentioned before, crowded. On a Thursday. They gouge you on drinks and credit card fees.

Sex Highlight: Fingering her sopping wet pussy while getting blown.

Non-sex Highlight: Her best-I've-ever-seen-by-far table dance. Blasting through town in her car with AC / DC full blast.

Mary Ninfeta. R180 all in. BJ and DFK only. I am only ranking her here because I prefer a club experience and we were limited to BJ due to her being on the rag. I am sure she'd break the top 3 with a full experience.

Club: N/ A - [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL].

Sex Highlight: Swallows it all and smiles at you like its the best thing she's had in weeks!

Non-sex Highlight: Seeing her in person. She lights up the room.

Karina. Scandallo. R700 + R510 drinks. Karina gets 4th partly due to venue and partly her 1000 watt smile. Mary and Carol were both better purely in the sack.

Club: As luxe as it gets. Truly nice. I spent most of my time in the club area, but it has several other nice areas. Lots of hot ladies.

Sex Highlight: BBBJ right up to finish, she directs the final shots on her tits and the makes a nice glaze with her hands.

Non-sex Highlight: The bar encounter. Smiling, light touching, learning Portuguese and dancing. Makes me smile to remember.

Eduarda. Bar Moustache. R400 + R220 drinks and bar fine. She takes third not only for a 9. 5 face but a wildcat in bed.

Club: Small place. Nine girls all to myself on a Monday. Guessing Thurs is crowded.

Sex Highlight: Blasting a load in cowgirl watching her beautiful semi-backplate tat and amazing bunda pumping me dry.

Non-sex Highlight: Her face when she came over and sat down. I could literally look at it all day.

Carolina. Casarao. R400 + R150 drinks (first time).

Club: Absolutely packed at 4 AM (Sunday Am. Sat night). Party vibe. High energy.

Sex Highlight: MMPP (mish for you Americans) gazing into her eyes as we took a long time to get there -- and a earthshattering finish.

Non-sex Highlight: Just hanging out together and kissing. Felt truly BFGF. Me completely believing she wanted round two and genuinely sad when we kissed goodnight.

Thifany the Unicorn. Fazendinha. R500 + R500 drinks and club.

Club: As previously described.

Sex Highlight: Kissing? OMG I mean it. Slides her feet up and down the backs of my thighs when in mish. Unsolicited Rim job. Not even my favorite thing, but just that she would do that for me.

Non-sex Highlight: Her smile. 3 Mary, 2 Karina, and 1 Thifany in that order. Her energy. Like she was truly in love with me from start to finish. And OMG the pics she sent. True model quality. Best ever.

OK. That is the full recap. I would like to thank the fine ladies and gentlemen of Brasil for producing the finest offspring on the planet. Please go fuck some more and make some more!

P.S- I will post a final set of tips and lessons learned tonight and then, unfortunately I will be out of things to say! Until I hopefully return some day. In the meantime if you need any help on Tokyo, Thailand, London, Moscow, Spain, Shanghai, or Germany (or God forbid, the USA) just drop me a line!

[QUOTE=Papi12;2235766]My first business trip to Sao Paulo.

I have always had a thing for small bubble butts with that thigh gap. Medium breasts are great as well. Thiffany sounds delightful. Are there any pictures of these ladies?

I have WhatsApp and Google Translate. Where would I find these ladies? I will be in a hotel Near the US consulate I think Brooklin?

Thank Guys for the help.[/QUOTE]Papi,

With all due respect, your type of request comes up all the time and it is fundamentally the wrong way to approach a visit to Brasil in my opinion. Guys come on this board asking for particular types of girls all the time. One guy was "crazy for big naturals", wanted to know where he could find "big naturals". Others want "the girl next store", others want "looks like actress X" etc. I understand the motivation, I too go to places hoping to find my "ideal" but the problem is your ideal and my ideal and the ideal of others on this board are very different. So don't rely on anyone's recommendation. Do your homework. Make a list of the places to go to. This should be easy, we have documented time and again the top clinicas and boates. Visit as many as you can. Find your ideal. And be open to finding others that are not your ideal, be open to new types. This is Brazil LOL, there are all types, types you have not even imagined.

More importantly, Brazil is not the place for a "trophy fuck" approach. By that I mean, its not like another place where one tries to fuck the prettiest girl in the club just for her looks because one knows that all the girls are hard core pros and might as well choose the best looking because the service will all be similarly mechanical. Brasileiras relate to their clients individually. If they like you, they will treat you like a lover and give themselves to you sexually more completely than your ex girlfriend ever did. If they are tired or not into you, they will be lazy and treat you differently than other clients. Charm is important. Yes you can be charming even with google translate.

I personally do not like recommending girls to other punters because guys tastes are so different. I see guys at clinicas choose girls that I would not even f for free. The best you can do is to just go to the clinicas and clubs and look for yourself. Alternatively, you can look at photoacompanhantes and favorite the ones that you like, focusing on those that have positive gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] reviews. Been discussed here many times.

In summary, do your homework, don't look for a simple recommendation. Plan your time to sample as much as possible and remain flexible in case you meet someone that you click with and decide to spend more time with. Even if she is not what you were originally looking for.

Have fun.

This is a checklist for visitors to SP. This is not directed at any particular poster.

This list is intended to help make the forum productive and helpful to all.

Do's. Before posting a question.

Read at least 10 pages of the forum before posting any question.

Make note of the helpful posters and use the "View Forum Posts" action on their name to read more posts by the helpful posters.

Make a list of the places you intend to visit based on your reading.

Make a list of any particular providers you may be thiking of seeing based on their anuncios in [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL] and their TDs in [URL]gpguia.net[/URL].

Map out the places you want to visit on google maps to get some sense of time and distance in SP.

After doing the above, provide your plan and ask as specific a set of questions as possible.

Don'ts.

Don't ask for any information without doing the Do's.

Don't expect the veterans on this forum to rewrite the same information that has been written a dozen times already. We are not google.

Don't expect that the tastes and opinions of the other guys are going to match your own when it comes to beauty. If you want opinions on specific types of beauty, post a link to a photo ad that conforms to that beauty rather than just words.

Don't waste your time visiting the TGTBT escort sites. Stick to the sites mentioned, particularly photoacompanhantes and particularly gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL].

There is a good chance that everything you need to know has already been posted in the last few months. You are much more likely to get help if you meet the veterans half way by posting your plan to at least show that you have harvested the information that is already available.

Cheers.

Rovnaks advice as usual is strong. But when he was making the point about pretty girls sometimes not having good service in other countries, the point was about Brazil being great service but even more so if you are a gentleman. He was not saying (I'm sure) don't go with the prettiest girl. I always went with the prettiest girl (by my estimation) and was never disappointed.

Carolina solid 9 - Casarao.

Karina 9. 5 face (8 body) - Scandalo.

Thifany 9. 5 face (9 body) - Fazendinha.

Eduarda 9. 5 face (9. 5 body) - Moustache.

I also had the following pleasant experience twice: You know how you see some girl across a dark bar and she looks pretty hot so I wave her over. Then up close, she's a shade less attractive. Here it was the opposite. With both Thifany and Eduarda when they sat down I about fell out of my chair their were so drop dead gorgeous. No joke. Unbelievable.

If you go to a nice club you can get the looks AND the service. And for 2-3 bills including cover and drinks and girl and hotel. Wow. I love Brazil.

So the other girl besides Thifany that I had a real BFGF connection with was Carolina. Pinged her today on WhatsApp and had a really interesting conversation. I asked her why she worked at Casarao being as beautiful as she is she could easily work Scandalo.

She said she used to work Cafe Photo and could land a guy at 800-1000/ hour (her words not mine) but it was usually one per night. She said at Casarao she has to charge less but she can go a couple times. She said she just prefers this over trying to land the big fish. So I found that really interesting. And it means you WILL find gems at Casarao if other girls think likewise.

Makes me realize also why I didn't see her in my first hour cruising Casarao. No way I could have missed a garota that pretty! She was just out of pocket and happened to return around 4 AM. No worse for the wear I'the say. Clean and pretty and ready to bang! God she was beautiful and a wicked good time!

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2234207]I'm prepping for my Sampa trip in a few weeks and scoping out the Gpguia reviews for the girls I'm finding on twitter. In trying to register for a username on the site, they require a phone number. Not sure it's prudent or useful to give my personal cell phone and I won't have a Brazilian phone until I'm in country. Wonder if any have any advice. I can see the escort reviews without a profile but can't see the boites TDs or do a search.[/QUOTE]Just get a prepaid account ATT or T-Mobile or any other and just pay for 1 month (You will get a SIM card / phone number so you can get registered / verified for social media accounts that require a phone number). Then remove SIM when OCONUS and replace with Brasilian SIM / phone number.

[QUOTE=ManchesterCat;2233320]Looking at organizing my first trip to Brazil shortly and at this stage planning for most of my time to be in SP. I've read a number of posts and the reports of distinction, but hoped I could get some direct answers to the below if possible:

2. As a complete non-Portuguese speaker how big of an impediment will this be? Are there some options completely off the table because of language barriers?

3. I've read about a lot of members, finding girls details and then contacting them via whatsapp before they get there. Where are you finding these girls to start with? Tinder? Agency sites?

Appreciate any advice any of you might have to give, and hopefully might meet some of you in person when I'm down there.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Non-Portuguese speaking is not a deal breaker at all. Most speak relevant English to accomplish goals. Also it is good to have Google translate or other translation app on cellphone (make sure a offline version is available since you may not have cell or wifi service in some locations to utilize online service) Some girls like the phone apps its like a game.

WhatsApp I tend to find girls via Twitter accounts, as they all tend to list their phone numbers. Then you put their phone number in you phone contact list WhatsApp will verify the number and often a corresponding picture will show on phone list. It takes some digging on Twitter and even on Instagram but its worth it.

Rovnak's right about charm and connection. Sometimes you walk into a club, talk to the hottest girl and you don't feel the connection. Another girl comes along. Looks like a hotty from your high school days or she's cute with a certain humor and / or energy. While I'm sure Steve feels like he was with three girls with 9. 5 face, I don't think we would all concur. It's more than likely, those three worked their charm on him and delivered the goods when they got together.

Maybe it's me, but I found Papi12's request post incohesive. He wants help because it's his first trip to SP, but he bolted on someone else's recommendations without a transition? Is that what that was?

There was a guy several months back who kept posting photos of Brazilian porn stars and asking if we knew of girls like that. And I want an Adriana Lima look-alike. I've never seen a girl like Adriana Lima in all my years in Brazil other than perhaps in a huge night club where the girl was surrounded by some rich, young Brazilian studs.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2236602]Rovnak's right about charm and connection. Sometimes you walk into a club, talk to the hottest girl and you don't feel the connection. Another girl comes along. Looks like a hotty from your high school days or she's cute with a certain humor and / or energy. While I'm sure Steve feels like he was with three girls with 9. 5 face, I don't think we would all concur. It's more than likely, those three worked their charm on him and delivered the goods when they got together.

Maybe it's me, but I found Papi12's request post incohesive. He wants help because it's his first trip to SP, but he bolted on someone else's recommendations without a transition? Is that what that was?

There was a guy several months back who kept posting photos of Brazilian porn stars and asking if we knew of girls like that. And I want an Adriana Lima look-alike. I've never seen a girl like Adriana Lima in all my years in Brazil other than perhaps in a huge night club where the girl was surrounded by some rich, young Brazilian studs.[/QUOTE]Sure enough chemistry is key. It's great when you have it with a nine, but I'the take chemistry and a seven any day over none and a nine. I got very lucky to have both, but some of that was due to good scouting. At Casarao, before Carolina I tried to strike it up with this cute little spinner. Just my type. But no chemistry and Carolina soon followed.

And at Moustache I was the only guy in the club with nine girls who were 8 and up (ok maybe one or two sevens) but I chose the one who kept making strong eye contact. Then when I called her over there was strong chemistry and ooooh that face (Eduarda).

I admit to having beer goggles and fully sober my 9. 5's might come down a hair. And I pulled Thifany from the 10 pedestal having spent a full week with her. But a solid 9 in any guys book fully sober. But damn, I feel damn lucky to have met these women. It doesn't seem real honestly for that type of talent to be within reach.

My advice — save all your money and go big in Brazil!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2236529]Rovnaks advice as usual is strong. But when he was making the point about pretty girls sometimes not having good service in other countries, the point was about Brazil being great service but even more so if you are a gentleman. He was not saying (I'm sure) don't go with the prettiest girl. I always went with the prettiest girl (by my estimation) and was never disappointed.[/QUOTE]Correct, I was not suggesting that there is any particular correlation or inverse correlation with looks and service. I was just saying, that one should look for the whole package, looks and service, not just looks (or not just service). The whole subject of men's' evaluation of women's looks intrigues me. I wish that on one night I could see how all the men were rating the looks of all the women there. It would be interesting. I know that I am constantly stunned by the girls that other guys are picking out of lineups and or posting photos. They say there is no accounting for taste and it really is true. I don't know if the guys that are picking girls that I consider to be below average in looks are doing so because they consider those girls to be hot looking or because they are going for service specifically and they don't care that much about looks? Or they did not get a good vibe from the better looking girls so they chose the less attractive chick instead? This is part of the reason I am hesitant to recommend anyone to anyone, I have no confidence that the other monger will see the same beauty that I see. Maybe we all think we chose the best looker. Even though we are all wrinkling our nose at what the other guy chose.

Personally I think "chemistry" is overrated or misidentified. Most of the time what you feel is chemistry is just the girl being good at her job and she has this "chemistry" with everyone.

I think it is amazing some of these girls are just so good that you feel it must be a special connection. That is why I try not to read gpguia reviews of my favorites because I want to pretend I am special when in fact they are basically the same with everyone.

[QUOTE=DoMat;2236831]Personally I think "chemistry" is overrated or misidentified. Most of the time what you feel is chemistry is just the girl being good at her job and she has this "chemistry" with everyone.

I think it is amazing some of these girls are just so good that you feel it must be a special connection. That is why I try not to read gpguia reviews of my favorites because I want to pretend I am special when in fact they are basically the same with everyone.[/QUOTE]Haha, I disagree completely.

These girls are people, obviously have better chemistry with some over others.

Don't you have better chemistry, a better feeling with some girls over others?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2236878]Haha, I disagree completely.

These girls are people, obviously have better chemistry with some over others.

Don't you have better chemistry, a better feeling with some girls over others?[/QUOTE]Yes, I do. Then when I read reviews I notice that the girl has the same "chemistry" with almost everyone. The bad girls don't have chemistry with anyone.

But I always say that unless you fall in love, thinking you are special here is preferable to the truth. So go at it.

[QUOTE=DoMat;2236831]Personally I think "chemistry" is overrated or misidentified. Most of the time what you feel is chemistry is just the girl being good at her job and she has this "chemistry" with everyone.

I think it is amazing some of these girls are just so good that you feel it must be a special connection. That is why I try not to read gpguia reviews of my favorites because I want to pretend I am special when in fact they are basically the same with everyone.[/QUOTE]Chemistry / Vibe / Connection / Eye Contact / Mutual Attraction is not overrated it may or may not come to you but you know if when you see it and better yet when you feel it. I have mongered at various Hot Spots around the world. Sure Girls may come up to you and say anything but you have to know who just wants your $$$ verses who really wants to be with you. I have personally had girls specifically say they have been watching me and want to be with me and were not interested in others. I have been talking or hanging with other girls and have had girls specifically ask if I was with a particular girl because they wanted to be with me. Believe me I am not sex symbol.

And I have to say when it happens that the right girl approaches or gives me the eye or I feel a particular vibe during conversation that they want to be with me those have always been the most memorable experiences. In one case a girl came up to me and said she had been watching me talk to other girls but was intimidated and didn't feel she had a chance to be with me. It floored me that a WG would say that as well as how she approached me. We talked, and she genuinely seemed apprehensive but really wanted to be with me. Well I felt she did in fact want me, so I rewarded her by taking her to my hotel room. I thought I was going to get basic service going in, oh to my surprise, I didn't even ask but everything was offered to me and I mean everything! The vibe and attraction was so great she didn't want to leave (stayed all night) even though she eventually had to get home. Believe me I had the time of my life. I still think of her and others in similar circumstances all the time.

It may not happen all the time and at all venues you frequent but when mutual Attraction / Vibe / Chemistry appears go for it. You just have to recognize it because there are good Actresses out there trying to relieve you of your $$ and give bad service.

The Latin languages have a word simpatico. It doesn't translate well into English. It certainly doesn't mean sympathy. It doesn't mean likeable as defined by some dictionaries. The best description I found was the Urban Dictionary that kind of describes it as an alignment of vibe and a flow.

If you have experienced it with a P4P provider, you would know it. It's not that the transactional part of it has disappeared, but that the girl is giving you something more that can't always be described. P4P girls can have rough, distant existences. If they can find a moment of fun, pleasure and kindness with a guy, some of them really do appreciate it.

I can say most of my experiences have been transactional. Not necessarily bad, but not "simpatico". I have had a couple experiences in Brazil where the girl didn't want to leave. One that I met up with eighteen months later. They wanted to hang out with me at the beach or take me sightseeing. None of them took me to expensive restaurants or asked me to take them shopping. I can easily say when a Brazilian girl gives you a little more of herself you will know it. While they are great actresses, many Brasileiras are very warm and passionate.

Good conversation. Here is my perspective and a tally of this years chemistry. First let's define chemistry. To me it is the feeling that the other person is into you and really WANTS to be in that moment with you. To me the most amazing thing is that many professional and semi-pro girls who can GENERATE this somewhat on demand. And it is REAL at that time.

This is amazing. Turn the tables for a minute. There is a fat, gray, old lady who wants you to kiss her passionately and DATY her. You now need to do this AND make her believe that you are into her. Good luck! Men totally suck at this! And yet the top girls can absolutely do this. However, many pretty girls can not generate this as easily depending on your fatness grayness or oldness. Since it's really important to me, I choose to improve my odds by not being fat or gray (can't fix being old!) and it's generally worked for me.

So I think there is room for several POVs here, because:

1. Top girls can generate chemistry with anyone.

2. Many girls can generate it if you have a few points in your favor.

3. There are definitely occasions when a girl is truly into you for whatever reason and the chemistry is natural and beyond the minimum GFE threshold.

Next up- my chemistry tally for the year so far. Worldwide.

Not in chronological order, but from least to most chemistry more or less. I'd say on balance a few low chem experiences that were generally pleasant regardless and a couple surprising super high ones.

Low Chem.

Lara. Allure - London.

Very pretty girl but taller than I like (5'10") and lacked the soulful brown eyes. So this is on me. DFK was super light so that killed It straight off. Quality sex but it felt like we were both pretending. Expensive too. Learning experience. The dick knows what it wants. Never argue with the dick!

Duda's Duo Friend. Boate Ilha. Caxias do Sul.

Just wasn't very into her from the get go.

Duda. Boate Ilha. Caxias do Sul.

Just not a very passionate person. CDS is a pussy wasteland, so not my fault!

Mariana. Tangara - São Paulo.

All the elements were there, but just felt transactional.

Rina. Tokyo Hentai Club. Tokyo.

Great BBBJ and Sumata. But it just felt paid for. No kissing, so I am sure that was part of it.

Varying Degrees of Chemistry.

Viet1 - Manhattan. Shanghai.

Very pretty. Solid sex and CBJ. Little kissing. Kept her overnight, so it couldn't have been that bad!

Thifany's Friend. Fazendinha - Campinas.

Pretty hot kissing three way and grinding on the dance floor. But I was so into Thifany, I couldn't really connect fully.

Terra. Diva Incall. London.

Solid GFE mechanics but the passion was missing. Good experience but could have been better.

Carol. Boate Ilha. CDS.

Clearly a pro, but she could generate passion. Knew it wasn't real but it still felt good anyhow!

Honey. Tokyo Hentai Club.

Pretty solid chemistry. So much for me is around the DFK. She is the reigning number 2 DFK all time worldwide, after Thifany dethroned her. So yeah. Chemistry.

Mary Ninfeta. My room. São Paulo.

Just a passionate girl. Can probably generate chemistry with anyone.

Strong+ Chemistry.

Viet2 - Manhattan. Shanghai.

College girl. Kissing in the restaurant. Kissing in the cab. Deep intense kissing in the room. Intense BBBJ and sex. Passion.

Eduarda. Moustache - Campinas.

Very handsy and friendly from the get go. Started getting it going in the cab. Wildcat in bed. So not a sweet and slow chemistry, but a lets get these clothes off and fuck chemistry. Not that there's anything wrong with that. .

Cambria and Kendall. Diva Incall. London.

I would have probably said you can't generate chemistry in a duo, had I not experienced it. We were all three in perfect sync in a mad mashup of wine, BBBJ, DFK, FIV, doggie, mish and whatever else and the passion was off the charts. Still my favorite P4 P experience to date.

Karina. Scandalo - São Paulo.

Hot chemistry from second one. Laughing, touching. Dancing. Spent TWO HOURS flirting before I even thought to say lets get a room. That's some real chemistry. Asked me to drive with her to the beach in the morning but I had to decline.

ChristineGFE. Her Apt. Phoenix.

Just felt natural from the first minute. Comfortable together. She showed me her toy collection and how to use her favorite. Spent four nights together. Was like coming home from work to your hot Fillipina girlfriend!

Xxxx. Tokyo Hentai Club. Tokyo.

Just hit it off passionately from the get go. Did three sessions together which included full sex at no extra charge (Can run $200 extra, tho I did tip her modestly). She is no longer escorting but we stay in touch and hope to see each other again.

Carolina. Casarao - São Paulo.

Serious chemistry. Again around the DFK. Fuck-me passionate DFK. Super comfortable together. Slow and meaningful mish. I truly believe she didn't want me to leave that second date. But I had to work in the morning.

Thifany. Fazendinha - Campinas.

Knew it from the first kiss. We were BOTH into making out like teenagers. DFK for ten minutes at a a stretch and neither wanting to quit. Unsolicited rim job. Oh and then she flew to London to spend a week with me and wants to do it again soon. Guess that's chemistry! And honestly, the feeling that this gorgeous 23 year old adores me is the best thing on the planet. Beats sex by a mile.

Pretty good year so far! With thanks to you all for your solid SP counsel!

What I am looking for is the illusion of girl who simply adores the companions of an older man.

I understand that any pro can act.

It is different when their acting can make you feel they are really into you. I have game and am able to do well in my home city with non pros. I just have a thing for the Brazilian tiny bubble booty and can charm her panties off, when I find her.

I am staying near the US Consulate close to Brooklin Novo.

Any clubs fun to go as a single older male in the area?

Any particular girls I should be on the look out for?

With all due respect, your type of request comes up all the time and it is fundamentally the wrong way to approach a visit to Brasil in my opinion. Guys come on this board asking for particular types of girls all the time. One guy was "crazy for big naturals", wanted to know where he could find "big naturals". Others want "the girl next store", others want "looks like actress X" etc. I understand the motivation, I too go to places hoping to find my "ideal" but the problem is your ideal and my ideal and the ideal of others on this board are very different. So don't rely on anyone's recommendation. Do your homework. Make a list of the places to go to. This should be easy, we have documented time and again the top clinicas and boates. Visit as many as you can. Find your ideal. And be open to finding others that are not your ideal, be open to new types. This is Brazil LOL, there are all types, types you have not even imagined.

More importantly, Brazil is not the place for a "trophy fuck" approach. By that I mean, its not like another place where one tries to fuck the prettiest girl in the club just for her looks because one knows that all the girls are hard core pros and might as well choose the best looking because the service will all be similarly mechanical. Brasileiras relate to their clients individually. If they like you, they will treat you like a lover and give themselves to you sexually more completely than your ex girlfriend ever did. If they are tired or not into you, they will be lazy and treat you differently than other clients. Charm is important. Yes you can be charming even with google translate.

I personally do not like recommending girls to other punters because guys tastes are so different. I see guys at clinicas choose girls that I would not even f for free. The best you can do is to just go to the clinicas and clubs and look for yourself. Alternatively, you can look at photoacompanhantes and favorite the ones that you like, focusing on those that have positive gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] reviews. Been discussed here many times.

In summary, do your homework, don't look for a simple recommendation. Plan your time to sample as much as possible and remain flexible in case you meet someone that you click with and decide to spend more time with. Even if she is not what you were originally looking for.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2224811]Please PM me!

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Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2238633]Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.[/QUOTE]P.S. Adress Rua Tangará 200, Vila Mariana, near to Instituto Biológico and Parque do Ibirapuera.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Papi12;2238321]What I am looking for is the illusion of girl who simply adores the companions of an older man.

I understand that any pro can act.

It is different when their acting can make you feel they are really into you. I have game and am able to do well in my home city with non pros. I just have a thing for the Brazilian tiny bubble booty and can charm her panties off, when I find her.

I am staying near the US Consulate close to Brooklin Novo.

Any clubs fun to go as a single older male in the area?

Any particular girls I should be on the look out for?

With all due respect, your type of request comes up all the time and it is fundamentally the wrong way to approach a visit to Brasil in my opinion. Guys come on this board asking for particular types of girls all the time. One guy was "crazy for big naturals", wanted to know where he could find "big naturals". Others want "the girl next store", others want "looks like actress X" etc. I understand the motivation, I too go to places hoping to find my "ideal" but the problem is your ideal and my ideal and the ideal of others on this board are very different. So don't rely on anyone's recommendation. Do your homework. Make a list of the places to go to. This should be easy, we have documented time and again the top clinicas and boates. Visit as many as you can. Find your ideal. And be open to finding others that are not your ideal, be open to new types. This is Brazil LOL, there are all types, types you have not even imagined.

More importantly, Brazil is not the place for a "trophy fuck" approach. By that I mean, its not like another place where one tries to fuck the prettiest girl in the club just for her looks because one knows that all the girls are hard core pros and might as well choose the best looking because the service will all be similarly mechanical. Brasileiras relate to their clients individually. If they like you, they will treat you like a lover and give themselves to you sexually more completely than your ex girlfriend ever did. If they are tired or not into you, they will be lazy and treat you differently than other clients. Charm is important. Yes you can be charming even with google translate.

I personally do not like recommending girls to other punters because guys tastes are so different. I see guys at clinicas choose girls that I would not even f for free. The best you can do is to just go to the clinicas and clubs and look for yourself. Alternatively, you can look at photoacompanhantes and favorite the ones that you like, focusing on those that have positive gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] reviews. Been discussed here many times.

In summary, do your homework, don't look for a simple recommendation. Plan your time to sample as much as possible and remain flexible in case you meet someone that you click with and decide to spend more time with. Even if she is not what you were originally looking for.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]The nearest Clinica near you is Brooklin, Rua Joaquim Guarani 147. They are open today.

Best cast on Sundays you will have at Tangará, for details see my comments below.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2238641]P.S. Adress Rua Tangar 200, Vila Mariana, near to Instituto Biolgico and Parque do Ibirapuera.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Correct adress: Rua Tangara 200.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2238633]Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.[/QUOTE]The second girl's name is Heloo.

On my last trip I made 2 visits to Tangara. Prices are still unchanged (R $100 for 30 min, 150 for 60 minutes), but the quality of girls has really gone up. I saw a number of girls whom I would have immediately gone with but decided on Roberta. Roberta is 21, slim and elegant, polite. When I saw her in the shower, I knew that I made the right decision. Everything perfect. I'm returning to SP in 10 days and will go to Tangara as often as I have time.

[QUOTE=LikeGirls;2240385]On my last trip I made 2 visits to Tangara. Prices are still unchanged (R $100 for 30 min, 150 for 60 minutes), but the quality of girls has really gone up. I saw a number of girls whom I would have immediately gone with but decided on Roberta. Roberta is 21, slim and elegant, polite. When I saw her in the shower, I knew that I made the right decision. Everything perfect. I'm returning to SP in 10 days and will go to Tangara as often as I have time.[/QUOTE]IMO Tangara has the best line up now!

ABG.

Within one hour today I heard from 2 of my regular freelance GPS that their whatapp was banned, they receive a message that the whataspp affiliated with numer xxx was banned and to contact support. I have heard of tinder and twitter blocking garotas, usually after denunciations but whatsapp is fundamentally different, I don't understand what they may have violated. Any ideas? Day after election, weird.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2238633]Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.[/QUOTE]What is the address??

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2242222]Within one hour today I heard from 2 of my regular freelance GPS that their whatapp was banned, they receive a message that the whataspp affiliated with numer xxx was banned and to contact support. I have heard of tinder and twitter blocking garotas, usually after denunciations but whatsapp is fundamentally different, I don't understand what they may have violated. Any ideas? Day after election, weird.[/QUOTE]One of the ladies I know, who has been blocked, got in heated discussion with Bolsonaro supporters on Twitter and blocked them. Maybe these persons have reported the girls as spammers on WhatsApp?

[QUOTE=FunnyLoverBoy;2242240]What is the address??[/QUOTE]Rua Tangara 200.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2242333]One of the ladies I know, who has been blocked, got in heated discussion with Bolsonaro supporters on Twitter and blocked them. Maybe these persons have reported the girls as spammers on WhatsApp?[/QUOTE]Maybe, but neither of the 2 I know of are political or do any spamming. Seems odd that whatsapp will cancel their main communication vector so abruptly forcing them to get a new telephone number which costs money, and takes time, and has knock on effects in anuncios. One called support to get an explanation but she said she was on hold so long she finally gave up and got a new number. I have not heard from the other as she is now without what's.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2242451]Maybe, but neither of the 2 I know of are political or do any spamming. Seems odd that whatsapp will cancel their main communication vector so abruptly forcing them to get a new telephone number which costs money, and takes time, and has knock on effects in anuncios. One called support to get an explanation but she said she was on hold so long she finally gave up and got a new number. I have not heard from the other as she is now without what's.[/QUOTE]FYI, the 2nd GP told me that she contacted wharsapp support and they told her that the system flagged her number because it accumulated a lot of new contacts in a short amount of time, which they interpreted as an indication of spamming. They were inflexible on the issue and refused to reactivate the original number. I do not understand how the same algorithm would not also falsely flag a lot of legitimate businesses that advertise their whatsapp numbers. But that is all I know so far. Seems an odd metric to use for banishment in the absence of any other indicators, but that is what they told her.

Hello ABG,

Their website says "R. Joaquim Guarani, 121" -google map shows black iron gate with '12'1 on it. Please confirm if the address is 121 or 147 -thank you!

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2238643]The nearest Clinica near you is Brooklin, Rua Joaquim Guarani 147. They are open today.

Best cast on Sundays you will have at Tangar, for details see my comments below.

ABG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2243006]Hello ABG,

Their website says "R. Joaquim Guarani, 121" -google map shows black iron gate with '12'1 on it. Please confirm if the address is 121 or 147 -thank you!

Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]121. There are usually parking attendants hanging in the garage entrance, just nod and walk past them into the lobby.

Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2243759]Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.[/QUOTE]No portugus needed, however, obviously the more the better.

If you're a Google translate master, LOL, you'll be ok.

Casaro is just down the street from you on Augusta, it's more of a Frat house atmosphere, lots of girls, but IMO a few keepers only, but I always find something I like.

It's fairly inexpensive, 40 real entrance with some drinks included.

About 300 real total for 40 min session, 400 real for the hour.

(Including the room).

Shouldn't pay more than that.

100 real exit fee, if you want to leave w the girl, usually they ask for 400 real for themselves.

Scandalo and / or Photo more swanky, high end club, much more money.

I've been there done it, not for me, the best girls in Casaro are just as good as girls at the swanky spots, IMO.

Some guys dig that high end scene though, and that's cool and Ok too, just not for me.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2243759]Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.[/QUOTE]Balboa has it right on. Read my copious reports (many pages back now) for both general tips and a Scandallo and Casarao debrief. As Balboa says Casarao is cheap but there are real gems. You just have to prospect for them. Took me an hour of continuous cruising and two encounters that did not fly before I found my gem Carolina. She ended up number 3 on my 2018 best girls list (out of 28) so clearly a gem. She was R400 as Balboa says.

If you like the "king of the world" experience — which I do — then Scandallo is your place. It will be 500 just for drinks and such if you stay a while plus R600-700 for the girl. But it is quite an experience. Karina (who ended up number 5 or 6 on my list) and I literally hung out and danced and flirted for 2 hours before even getting a room. Class act girl and class act club.

Have to say again tha t Brazil is awesome. Must have taken 6 or so spots on my top ten list. Just a different breed those Brasileiras! Enjoy!

Thanks steve9696 & balboa. Enjoy your informative posts. Guess I'll start with Casarao and then see. I have meetings during the day, so can't be up so late, and want to be sure to have some time at Tangara.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2243759]Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.[/QUOTE]Plese PM me, I'm tying to PM you with no sucess. There is a problem on the PM messager.

ABG.

Hello guys,

Requesting some help in deciding where to stay in SP. I spent a lot of research in deciding where to stay. My preferences are (1) reasonably priced with WiFi and gym (2) close to clinicas in walking distances (3) Close to Metro. After spending hours on this I decided on Mercure in Moema. But them I found out that there are two Mercur hotels in Moema - (1) Mercure SP Moema hotel on Av. Lavandisca and (2) Mercure Sao Paulo Previlege hotel on Av. Macuco. However both hotels are walking distance to Moema Metro Station on Line 5 (Lilac line). Besides having two Mercur hotels in same area, to further complicate the situation, I read that airport noise from domestic airport is a BIG problem! Hence my questions:

1. Which of the two Mercure hotels would you recommend?

2. How is the sound proofing in the Mercure hotels listed above? Is it really that terrible? I need some quiet at night for sleep and peace during day time for business calls from my room.

3. If noise is really that bad -could someone recommend a hotel with gym near Republica metro station? Why I picked Republica I don't know except a tour I plan to take starts from the Republica park. Yeah I know, not a compelling reason but picking up a hotel in huge metropolis is like finding the right piece of hay in the haystack! Near Republica, I narrowed down hotel list to 'Nobile Downtown Sao Paulo' on are. Araújo, 141.

4. The 3rd choice on my list is Mercure Sao Paulo Paulista on are. Sao Carlo off of Av. Paulista close to Brigadeiro metro station.

So a call out to SP experts to help me decide on hotel (must have gym + solid WiFi and walking distance to Metro). I am not into late night outs and prefer day time action, hence staying in Moema near a number of clinicas was my first choice but the airport noise concerns is making me rethink that option.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Frankfurt.

Just back from a quick 8 girls stint in Berlin at Artemis FKK and Agency Liberty. While Artemis is well known to be high priced and lower service than some FKKs, let me just say how much it makes me appreciate Sao Paulo!

Brasilerias totally rule! Carolina, Thifany, Eduarda, Karina, and Mary were all without exception great girls -- great attitude, great GFE, great experience. Oh, and did I forget drop dead georgeous -- all 8. 5's and up. OMG still in love with a few of them! THANK YOU SAO PAULO (and Campinas) for the best girls on the planet!

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2245111]Hello guys,

Requesting some help in deciding where to stay in SP. I spent a lot of research in deciding where to stay. My preferences are (1) reasonably priced with WiFi and gym (2) close to clinicas in walking distances (3) Close to Metro. After spending hours on this I decided on Mercure in Moema. But them I found out that there are two Mercur hotels in Moema - (1) Mercure SP Moema hotel on Av. Lavandisca and (2) Mercure Sao Paulo Previlege hotel on Av. Macuco. However both hotels are walking distance to Moema Metro Station on Line 5 (Lilac line). Besides having two Mercur hotels in same area, to further complicate the situation, I read that airport noise from domestic airport is a BIG problem![/QUOTE]I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Privilege on Macuco and strongly do not recommend. Yes, the airport noise was that bad. And the quality of the internet connection was absolute garbage and one of the worst that I can recall at any hotel I have ever stayed in (and that's a lot). Also, the ability to control the room temperature was poor, the bathroom tiny, and the overall service by the staff weak. The room safe did not work upon arrival, and they had to bring me a new one. At least one of the taxi drivers out front was crooked. I would not return, and do not recommend Mercure Privilege on Macuco. It's too bad too because it is in a good location. I'm usually OK with most hotels that I pick. That's why this one stands out so much. It sucked! Not recommended based on my personal unsatisfactory experience there.

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2245111]... (1) Mercure SP Moema hotel on Av. Lavandisca and (2) Mercure Sao Paulo Previlege hotel on Av. Macuco...[/QUOTE]I stayed earlier this year at hotel Mercure on Ave. Lavandisca for 5 days, and I was bothered by the airplane noise from the domestic airport nearby. I am also curious to know about hotels where the airport noise is not too bad. Thanks.

Don't if it was lost or stolen, can't find my iPhone. I go to Find My iPhone on my MacBook and I get a signal from Campinas, Sao Paulo. WTF? Can anyone suggest somewhere where I can place an Int'l phone call to the USA to call my bank, etc?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2245246]I stayed earlier this year at hotel Mercure on Ave. Lavandisca for 5 days, and I was bothered by the airplane noise from the domestic airport nearby. I am also curious to know about hotels where the airport noise is not too bad. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to wake up at 6 am and airplane noise is a concern unfortunately Moemo is not the place for you.

I stayed in an airbnb at Mercure Moema in February and am now in an airbnb at Mercure Priviledge. Both are almost the same distance to Moema metro station. Looking at the info on [URL]hotels.com[/URL], Moema appears to have better rooms, higher rating (8. 6 versus 7. 8) and also be a little cheaper. Regarding noise, there was occasional airplane noise in the morning but nothing that bothersome that I wouldn't stay there again. The noise at Priviledge is also not too bad, the occasional dragster late at night, and sometimes some aircraft flying overhead (especially on last Thursday morning, apparently due to flight schedules, there were a lot of planes flying overhead in the morning). If you stay at Priviledge, request a room on a high floor and not facing Avenida Macuco to reduce road traffic noise.

I would not rule out either place because of noise concerns, and I doubt any hotel in Moema is immune from some noise from aircraft flying overhead.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2244492]Plese PM me, I'm tying to PM you with no sucess. There is a problem on the PM messager.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Hi ABG,

You mentioned you are having problems with Private Messages. I've sent you a few and wondering if your able to receive and reply back.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2245389]I stayed in an airbnb at Mercure Moema in February and am now in an airbnb at Mercure Priviledge. Both are almost the same distance to Moema metro station. Looking at the info on [URL]hotels.com[/URL], Moema appears to have better rooms, higher rating (8. 6 versus 7. 8) and also be a little cheaper. Regarding noise, there was occasional airplane noise in the morning but nothing that bothersome that I wouldn't stay there again. The noise at Priviledge is also not too bad, the occasional dragster late at night, and sometimes some aircraft flying overhead (especially on last Thursday morning, apparently due to flight schedules, there were a lot of planes flying overhead in the morning). If you stay at Priviledge, request a room on a high floor and not facing Avenida Macuco to reduce road traffic noise.

I would not rule out either place because of noise concerns, and I doubt any hotel in Moema is immune from some noise from aircraft flying overhead.[/QUOTE]As a resident directly in the flight path I have grown accustomed to it to the point where I do not even notice the planes but I can understand that it might bother visitors, although I would expect the hotels to be more soundproof than my apartment. I do recall that years ago I stayed at what was a Mercure but is now called Aparthotel Adagio São Paulo Moema on Jamaris and I did not notice any noise at all, and I was new to the city at that time so I was more sensitive. No idea about the condition of that hotel these days. Its not far from the other 2 being discussed but its on the indios side of avenida Ibirapuera. I. E. The clinicas side.

One thing to note about Congonhas airport schedules. The flight noise is highly variable depending on day of week due to high % of flights which service the business travelers that arrive or leave Sao Paulo for the business week. Therefore, by far, the busiest times are Sunday late afternoon. Early evening, Monday morning, and Friday afternoon. Outside of those "rush hours" the flight are far less frequent, at least in my experience.

Hi ABG,

You mentioned you're having issues with sending PM's.

I have sent you a Private Message and not sure if you're able to receive or reply.

Looking forward to visiting SP for the first time November 23 for a few weeks and hopefully having somebody to show me around.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kcrl02;2245356]Don't if it was lost or stolen, can't find my iPhone. I go to Find My iPhone on my MacBook and I get a signal from Campinas, Sao Paulo. WTF? Can anyone suggest somewhere where I can place an Int'l phone call to the USA to call my bank, etc?[/QUOTE]I use Skype Out all the time to place international phone calls.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2245389]I stayed in an airbnb at Mercure Moema in February and am now in an airbnb at Mercure Priviledge. Both are almost the same distance to Moema metro station. Looking at the info on [URL]hotels.com[/URL], Moema appears to have better rooms, higher rating (8. 6 versus 7. 8) and also be a little cheaper. Regarding noise, there was occasional airplane noise in the morning but nothing that bothersome that I wouldn't stay there again. The noise at Priviledge is also not too bad, the occasional dragster late at night, and sometimes some aircraft flying overhead (especially on last Thursday morning, apparently due to flight schedules, there were a lot of planes flying overhead in the morning). If you stay at Priviledge, request a room on a high floor and not facing Avenida Macuco to reduce road traffic noise.

I would not rule out either place because of noise concerns, and I doubt any hotel in Moema is immune from some noise from aircraft flying overhead.[/QUOTE]The noise didn't bother me, but I can understand that some people sleep so lightly that it could be a problem. There is a third Mercure hotel in Moema, Mercure SP Times Square. I don't know if there is much difference, but it is slightly further away from the airplanes route and closer to the metro. When the planes approach the CGH airport they fly over Shopping Ibirapuera. The airport is closed from 11 PM till 06 AM. If you think noise may a problem, stay at Mercure SP Paulista. It is a very nice area, not far away from Tangara, Casarao, Bomboa and you can Uber to the other clinicas. Even if Republica may be too posh for the taste of Vila Mimosa (RJ) aficionados, it's quite dark at night and may not be the best place for a first time visitor. If you book a Mercure, make sure you book a renovated room. The old ones had their best before date long time ago, but the new ones are nice.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2245433]The noise didn't bother me, but I can understand that some people sleep so lightly that it could be a problem. There is a third Mercure hotel in Moema, Mercure SP Times Square. I don't know if there is much difference, but it is slightly further away from the airplanes route and closer to the metro. When the planes approach the CGH airport they fly over Shopping Ibirapuera. The airport is closed from 11 PM till 06 AM. If you think noise may a problem, stay at Mercure SP Paulista. It is a very nice area, not far away from Tangara, Casarao, Bomboa and you can Uber to the other clinicas. Even if Republica may be too posh for the taste of Vila Mimosa (RJ) aficionados, it's quite dark at night and may not be the best place for a first time visitor. If you book a Mercure, make sure you book a renovated room. The old ones had their best before date long time ago, but the new ones are nice.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Mercure SP Times Square on Jamaris, that is the one I was referring to below. When I went to look for it on google maps I found Aparthotel Adagio at that address so I thought it changed owners, but now I see it is still listed as Times Square on Accor site. I suspect it may be cross listed under both names.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2245436]Yeah, Mercure SP Times Square on Jamaris, that is the one I was referring to below. When I went to look for it on google maps I found Aparthotel Adagio at that address so I thought it changed owners, but now I see it is still listed as Times Square on Accor site. I suspect it may be cross listed under both names.[/QUOTE]No, they are both there. There are three buildings. The one facing the street is the aparthotel Adagio. That's where some of the higher end girls live. On the left side is the Mercure hotel. Also the breakfast room and gym are in the Adagio building. They both belong to Accor hotels. I’m not sure if the one on the right side is office building or more apartments.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2212074]Yes, that is her name, I talked to her other friend who is called camila remedy, and she said she does it privately,and have no postings anywhere, so to be able to get her contact I need to meet camila and her for a duo LOL, maybe you can make a date with both of them and then introduce her to me afterwards? LOL, Her friend antonella is great and she said I will like her also.[/QUOTE]At Nuupter you have exquisite taste in women. Going to SP next week and will check out some of the girls you mentioned; Nicoli Blanco, Liliana, Beatriz Aguiar (although her number doesn't seem to work anymore; does she have a new one?

BTW how did you get in touch with Camila Remedy? How much did she want? Help me understand correctly, Camila Remedy and Antonella Ribeiro both offered you to have a threesome with Suelen Castro (only a threesome, no way of getting Suelen by herself)? I'm after Camila and / or Suelen (1 on 1) and I'd pay good money for either one, please guide a brother in the right direction! Best.

Thanks gentlemen for providing your input on my hotel question on the forum and thanks to those who sent me PM. It greatly helps me in narrowing down my choice.

Cheers,

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2245525]No, they are both there. There are three buildings. The one facing the street is the aparthotel Adagio. That's where some of the higher end girls live. On the left side is the Mercure hotel. Also the breakfast room and gym are in the Adagio building. They both belong to Accor hotels. Im not sure if the one on the right side is office building or more apartments.[/QUOTE]

Read the FAQ, but where is the Private Message link?

I can't see it on any page.

Also, how long does it take for a message to post?

Thanks!

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I went with a couple of ISG'ers last night to this club. It's in Santo Amaro on Rua Barao do Rio Branco, 962. When you walk in, it is a long rectangle with checkered floors and red lighting. It looks like Casarao lite. There's a bar on the left and a long row of 2 person couches on the right. There is also an upper floor that covers about half of the club, where you can see the main floor from above. The place doesn't have a separate smoking room, so it was quite smoky.

There were about 45 girls in the house at about 11:30 pm. Out of all of them, I would probably pay for 5 or 6 of those girls at the club's prices. The rest were zoo creatures. The place had about a 1-to-1 ratio of guys to girls, not as bad as Casarao's typical sausage fest of 5-to-1. I talked to one girl who was pretty cute. She worked and stayed at the club Thurs-Sun. Then went back to her other daily life at Guarulhos during the other days. There are no on-site rooms, but there is a motel across the street and another one about 100 feet to the right of the club that customers take the girls to. Prices are as follows:

- Entrance: [NOPARSE]R$10[/NOPARSE] which includes 2 house brand beers and a refrigerante.

- Half-Hour Session: [NOPARSE]R$100[/NOPARSE] including room.

- One Hour Session: [NOPARSE]R$180[/NOPARSE] including room.

- Taking the girl out of the club - [B]this is no misprint:[/B] [NOPARSE]R$500[/NOPARSE] to the house and [NOPARSE]R$500[/NOPARSE] to the girl for 6 to 8 hours of pleasure.

The place had a Tijuana vibe to it. I kind of felt like I was in Mexico. Nobody ended up taking any of the girls. It has some potential for a late night option since the pricing is pretty good, well except for the take out price but one can just get a girl's number and meet her later without the house involved.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2247057]I went with a couple of ISG'ers last night to this club. It's in Santo Amaro on Rua Barao do Rio Branco, 962. ows:

- Entrance: [NOPARSE]R$10[/NOPARSE] which includes 2 house brand beers and a refrigerante.

- Half-Hour Session: [NOPARSE]R$100[/NOPARSE] including room.

- One Hour Session: [NOPARSE]R$180[/NOPARSE] including room.[/QUOTE]Good report. Just one detail. The room that is included in the price above is for the hotel adjacent to the club which according to the girl I went with one time is a really crappy hotel. So on her recommendation we went to the hotel across the street and to the left. It was cheap, I think 20 or 30 reias for that hotel extra. I don't know if she was just trying to gin up business for this other hotel or not, but I had no complaints about this hotel.

Yeah, the saida fee there is wild, never saw such a cheap place with such a high saida.

Does anyone know how to get in touch with high end models in SP (not via instagram)? Not sure how it works in Brazil but in Colombia there's these guys that have these 'catalogues' of models and you organize everything through them, it's basically like an escort agency for higher end models. Might be a little more expensive but at least you get that grade A quality. Is it similar in Brazil or do you have to go after every girl individually?

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2247282]Does anyone know how to get in touch with high end models in SP (not via instagram)? Not sure how it works in Brazil but in Colombia there's these guys that have these 'catalogues' of models and you organize everything through them, it's basically like an escort agency for higher end models. Might be a little more expensive but at least you get that grade A quality. Is it similar in Brazil or do you have to go after every girl individually?[/QUOTE]Well, there are many, I know few of them. The list content has girls type model, which means, slim girls, beautiful faces. Some of them were cover girls in some magazines. I would say the service is the same as you pay for a normal escort in SP. Of course, if you are into that group, they assume you are able to pay high amount of money. PM if you need more information, but I found out that you will need to buy a subscription within this forum in order to send and receive messages.

Cheers.

Well, I haven't been very active in this section of the Forum, mainly because I'm more attract to Russia and its beautiful girls (you could read my post about Russian in other section), but this year I wanted to bet for SP, although I like more Rio de Janeiro, but I said to myself, let's give SP a try. After the world cup, I got a week off, so I booked a trip to SP just for a change. When I arrived to SP, I felt the winter was taking the whole city, even myself I felt cold, which was a surprise. Since I had contact with some girls from some Night clubs, I scheduled them and started my business. I have only good words for the girls from Brazil, they now how to take care of you. My expectations were fulfilled in that trip and I was quite happy to close that chapter. The very last day of my trip I met another girl from the night club named "Connection" which is located far from Av. Paulista. Good looking girl and very easy to talk (I'm fluent in Portuguese), then I needed to postpone to close this chapter and wait for the opportunity to travel again to SP.

My last trip to SP was last week, although I wanted to spend some time with the girls I already met, I had time to meet another young from Rio which is not a escort but she does escorting once in a while. Again, I think SP has better option of girls than RJ and many cities in Europe, but that's my opinion.

Enjoy the city and I'll be back next year, hoping to close the SP's chapter.

I don't know if you've made your hotel plans but for some reason yesterday and this morning planes have been flying overhead here at Moema Priviledge every few minutes.

Back in Sao paulo for a week of work and relaxation. So far, I've just revisited some old haunts (Brooklin and Cancioneiro) but plan to visit some less well-frequented places (at least by Gringos) in Zona leste this coming week.

1) Brooklin.

In the past this was my favourite haunt with plenty of busty babes (Rafaella, sadly retired; Nani, now at Maytrella; Fernanda loira, now at Cancioneiro) but now it tends to disappoint me. They had a big turnover of girls a while back, almost complete replacement, and the girls I have kept in contact with haven't said why. If you are interested, many of these girls (Camilla, Kelly, Adriana, Fiorella, Fernanda morena) are now over the road at Kin Center. I checked out Brooklin on Friday but nothing took my fancy. I know that tastes vary and so Brooklin is always worth checking out as they have a big line up. For me, sadly, I may pay this place less attention in future unless the line up improves. I will try over the road at Kin next week.

2) Cancioneiro.

This clinica is close to Brooklin and Kin but on the other side of Roque Petroni Junior. It is about 15 minutes walk from Shopping Morumbi and you walk along the main road (Roque Petroni) past the Rivellino sports Centre and South's Place Churrascaria until you come to the lights with the sex shop on the corner (turn right here up Rua Cancioneiro Popular and then second left onto Joaquin Guarani for Brooklin / Kin). Cross over the main road here and walk up Rua Santo Arcadio and take the second left onto Rua Cancioneiro Novo. The clinica is number 88, there is a big 88 sign outside. This is a quiet residential district. I don't recall anybody reporting from here before and I can see why, the quality of the house is not great. My only reason for coming here is to see Fernanda Loira who is one of my favourites. Big bunda, big boobs, big smile. Very pretty. She has put on a couple of pounds but great sex. Cost is 200 reais for an hour. Ask for a room with a proper mattress for comfort.

3) Plans.

Gp guia has mentioned a new place in Tatuape (Kellys) that I will try out next week, along with Espaco morengo which is nearby. I will try to get to see Nani at maytrella if I can. I last saw her in Spain (not for sex) and she has slimmed down and lost a few pounds. I hope that hasn't translated into any reduction in boob size. I will also try to make it over to Tangara as that is getting a lot of good reviews at the moment.

Long time reader. First post. I'm flying off from Singapore to São Paulo in one hour. Too bad to hear about Brooklin since I'm staying around the corner at Blue Tree. I'll check it out anyway and report. I haven't heard of Kim before. I'll check it out also. I'll be spending a few days in SP and looking forward to it. Any other less popular places around shopping Morumbi?

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2247554]Back in Sao paulo for a week of work and relaxation. So far, I've just revisited some old haunts (Brooklin and Cancioneiro) but plan to visit some less well-frequented places (at least by Gringos) in Zona leste this coming week.

1) Brooklin.

In the past this was my favourite haunt with plenty of busty babes (Rafaella, sadly retired; Nani, now at Maytrella; Fernanda loira, now at Cancioneiro) but now it tends to disappoint me. They had a big turnover of girls a while back, almost complete replacement, and the girls I have kept in contact with haven't said why. If you are interested, many of these girls (Camilla, Kelly, Adriana, Fiorella, Fernanda morena) are now over the road at Kin Center. I checked out Brooklin on Friday but nothing took my fancy. I know that tastes vary and so Brooklin is always worth checking out as they have a big line up. For me, sadly, I may pay this place less attention in future unless the line up improves..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2247596]Long time reader. First post. I'm flying off from Singapore to So Paulo in one hour. Too bad to hear about Brooklin since I'm staying around the corner at Blue Tree. I'll check it out anyway and report. I haven't heard of Kim before. I'll check it out also. I'll be spending a few days in SP and looking forward to it. Any other less popular places around shopping Morumbi?[/QUOTE]It's Clinica Kin, not Kim, its super close to Brooklin. There is also Cancioneiro (see report below). And Espaco Morumbi. But you should venture beyond Brooklin too. Don't sweat the reports about lineups, everyone's taste is different, and the girls are going to vary day to day a bit and particularly on weekends. You will have fun.

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2247596]Long time reader. First post. I'm flying off from Singapore to So Paulo in one hour. Too bad to hear about Brooklin since I'm staying around the corner at Blue Tree. I'll check it out anyway and report. I haven't heard of Kim before. I'll check it out also. I'll be spending a few days in SP and looking forward to it. Any other less popular places around shopping Morumbi?[/QUOTE]I would try it out. Everybody has their own preferences. You may think its great! It has a big line up and I didn't see all the girls, but the ones I did see weren't my type. I have been disappointed the last few years when I've gone, but I am comparing it to my first experience when I was in Sampa for 6 months and I really liked the lineup then and had a hell of a time.

Clinica Kin is on a side street of Joaquin Guarani close to Clinica Brooklin, the address is Travessa Libera Rivelino, 210. There is normally a guy sat on a chair or standing at the top of the side street and you will see a big sign with 210 on it. It has been getting a lot more reviews on gpguia recently.

The other two clinicas near Brooklin that I know of are Cancioneiro (see last post. I would recommend Fernanda) and Espaco Morumbi at Rua Chafic Maluf 101. This is very close to Shopping Morumbi but I've never been to it. Looking on the map Chafik maluf is very close to the Blue Tree Hotel on the other side of the main road.

If you want reasonably priced barbecue than South's Place is near your hotel. It's not top of the range churrasco but I ate as much as I could for an hour and with two sodas it came to 85 reais.

I look forward to your posts and your experiences at these places.

Resurrecting the SP metro discussion as I am looking for a metro pass that's targeted for tourists or short term visitors. Unfortunately after bouncing website to website including SPTrans official site [URL]http://bilheteunico.sptrans.com.br/[/URL] I have not been able to find any concrete info either if such a weekly / tourist pass exists, where to buy it and how to add value etc. Some website refer to Anonimo card but some news article say that it is recently discontinued due to system-wide fraud -which means the only option to get 'Bilhete Unico' is to register officially with SPTrans and provide, photo, some equivalent of Tax ID (forgot the acronym). So for a non resident tourist that's a non starter.

So my question to gents familiar with the SP metro ticketing system:

1. Is there an option besides buying a paper ticket each time I want to travel on metro. I will be staying close to Moema metro Line 5 (lilac color) and hope to fully utilize the metro system as I hate taxis and traffic jams (who doesn't?

2. If buying a single ticket is the only option: Are the tickets timed I. E. Valid only for certain duration of time from the time of purchase? For example can I buy 10-15 tickets in bulk to use over next few days?

3. Do the single ticket vending machines have English language option?

Thanks for the help in advance.

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2229161]FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2247757]Resurrecting the SP metro discussion as I am looking for a metro pass that's targeted for tourists or short term visitors. Unfortunately after bouncing website to website including SPTrans official site [URL]http://bilheteunico.sptrans.com.br/[/URL] I have not been able to find any concrete info either if such a weekly / tourist pass exists, where to buy it and how to add value etc. Some website refer to Anonimo card but some news article say that it is recently discontinued due to system-wide fraud -which means the only option to get 'Bilhete Unico' is to register officially with SPTrans and provide, photo, some equivalent of Tax ID (forgot the acronym). So for a non resident tourist that's a non starter.

So my question to gents familiar with the SP metro ticketing system:.[/QUOTE]Someone else may know the full story on metro cards. I just googled and found this article, maybe it will help.

[URL]http://checkinsaopaulo.com/en/saiba-como-adquirir-e-utilizar-os-bilhetes-do-metro-transporte-publico-de-sao-paulo/[/URL]

In my personal experience, I have just bought a bunch of single trip paper tickets, they fold accordion like and I stick them in backpack and I'm cool. In Rio I had bought the plastic rechargeable card which was even more convenient. Sao Paulo has a similar thing call bilhete unico and cartao fidelidade (see article) but I have yet to buy one because I am always in a rush when I go to the metro and you have to purchase them at specific locations instead of just the regular ticket window. And I never find myself near one of the locations that sell them.

Paper tickets are not timed. I have used tickets that I purchased months before.

I don't know about language options on the machines. I only ever bought the paper tickets from the window when there was no line. Just learn the words for 10, 16, 20. However you want to purchase and be ready with the money.

Went to Brooklin and kin today and each had maybe 1 payable girl. Pretty darn weak.

Thanks Rovnak-very useful information indeed -thank you. Another gentleman sent me PM with very good info on transportation options so I think I have enough to go on. Appreciate all the help you gentlemen have provided to this first time Brazil traveler!

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2248037]Someone else may know the full story on metro cards. I just googled and found this article, maybe it will help.

[URL]http://checkinsaopaulo.com/en/saiba-como-adquirir-e-utilizar-os-bilhetes-do-metro-transporte-publico-de-sao-paulo/[/URL]

In my personal experience, I have just bought a bunch of single trip paper tickets, they fold accordion like and I stick them in backpack and I'm cool. In Rio I had bought the plastic rechargeable card which was even more convenient. Sao Paulo has a similar thing call bilhete unico and cartao fidelidade (see article) but I have yet to buy one because I am always in a rush when I go to the metro and you have to purchase them at specific locations instead of just the regular ticket window. And I never find myself near one of the locations that sell them..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2247757]Resurrecting the SP metro discussion as I am looking for a metro pass that's targeted for tourists or short term visitors. Unfortunately after bouncing website to website including SPTrans official site [URL]http://bilheteunico.sptrans.com.br/[/URL] I have not been able to find any concrete info either if such a weekly / tourist pass exists, where to buy it and how to add value etc. Some website refer to Anonimo card but some news article say that it is recently discontinued due to system-wide fraud -which means the only option to get 'Bilhete Unico' is to register officially with SPTrans and provide, photo, some equivalent of Tax ID (forgot the acronym). So for a non resident tourist that's a non starter.

So my question to gents familiar with the SP metro ticketing system:

1. Is there an option besides buying a paper ticket each time I want to travel on metro. I will be staying close to Moema metro Line 5 (lilac color) and hope to fully utilize the metro system as I hate taxis and traffic jams (who doesn't?[/QUOTE]Go to the Faria Lima Station and buy the Bilhete Unico. You can put as much money on it as you want. Note that if you're using the paper tickets the CPTM uses a different type of paper ticket and you'll end up buying different tickets for different Metro systems.

[QUOTE=Kcrl02;2248273]Go to the Faria Lima Station and buy the Bilhete Unico. You can put as much money on it as you want. Note that if you're using the paper tickets the CPTM uses a different type of paper ticket and you'll end up buying different tickets for different Metro systems.[/QUOTE]I am sure you are correct about transfers but I have used the metro to go from Moema to Morumbi, Vila Mariana, Brooklin, Tatuape, Moooca, Itaquera, Santana, Barra Funda, Republica etc and I never had to buy an extra ticket. I guess I never crossed over onto a CPTM train. I am not disputing that there are people who make such transfers all the time but I wonder if a visiting monger will actually do so given the locus of travel. I guess it depends on his itinerary. All things being equal I suspect the bilhete unica is worth it if he will be using the metro extensively. My usage is sporadic.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2248037]I don't know about language options on the machines. I only ever bought the paper tickets from the window when there was no line. Just learn the words for 10, 16, 20. However you want to purchase and be ready with the money.[/QUOTE]Portuguese, English, Spanish.

Yesterday I travelled on the metro over to Zona Leste to try out a new clinica in Tatuape called Kelly's Massagens. It appeared on Gpguia in mid-October and has been getting good reviews.

How to get there.

I travelled by metro to the Carrao station on the Linha Vermelha (Red line 3). Once you go through the exit barrier at the station, turn left and walk along the walkway over the main road. At the end of the walkway you can descend by either taking the stairs (signposted Platform D) or walking down the ramp. Either route will bring you down into the bus station. Walk through the bus station. There are lots of quiosques selling food snacks and it it a good place to get a cheap meal if hungry. Everything is labelled with the price and the prices all seem the same (I had a cheese / ham sandwich and pao de quijo for 4 reais in total). Once past the bus station, turn right onto Rua Monte Serrat and then at the next junction (Rua Platina), cross over the road and walk 3 blocks until you come to Rua Francisco Marengo. On Marengo turn right and keep walking down. You will pass Espaco Marengo at 210 Rua Francisco Marengo which is worth checking out. It is about a 10 minute walk to reach Rua Euclides Pacheco. As a pointer that you are near, Rua Euclides Pacheco is two blocks after Rua Cantagalo. Turn left onto Rua Euclides Pacheco and Kelly's is number 1932.

The Casa.

Walk through the gate and up the stairs on the left and enter the house. The cliniica is OK. It doesn't have the fancy, well decorated interior that some clinicas have (but you're not there for the decor, right? Kelly was super friendly and super talkative. I arrived at 1. 00 and although it opens at 12.00, I was the only client there. The room was ok, functional with shower and bed. No mouthwash facilities so bring your own. The door wasn't locked, my girl put a chair across it to keep it closed!

The girls.

Only one girl was there for the presentation when I arrived but luckily it was the girl I was after from my reading on gpguia, Vivi. Her reviews on gpguia are really positive. 26 years old. Big natural tits with large nipples. Nice big Brazilian butt. Super friendly. Not a stunner, more the girl next door type, but the girl next door with big tits and ass!! Only been in the game a couple of months. Didn't time waste, we had a short shower together. The sex was great. She particularly enjoys de quatro (doggy) which is great as you get a great view of her ass and the feel of it whilst banging. Whilst I was waiting for Vivi to get ready before we started, Kelly showed me photographs of the other girls. Some of them looked pretty good. I has also thought about Karina from the gpguia reviews and she looked good in her photos, pretty face and big butt.

The cost.

Gp guia says 160 reais for 1 hour. I gave her 200 reais, four 50 bills, and she gave me one back so I paid 150. They have a mileage scheme where after 5 sessions the sixth is free. They have no phone system to ring when the hour is up and nobody knocked on the door. I sad I wanted an hour but think I had an hour and 15 or 20 by the time we finished but I wasn't charged extra. If truth be told I only stopped as thought I might get charged extra but I wasn't and the house seems pretty relaxed and friendly.

In summary I would say it was worth a trip over. Make an afternoon of it by visiting all the Clinicas. There are three clinicas, Kellys, Espaco Marengo and Clinica Tatuape, close to the metro and within 10-15 minutes walking distance of the Metro. Both Kelly and Marengo are off the 'gringo track' and are cheaper (Marengo is 150 and hour). I went to Clinica Tatuape (Ruua Villela 1111) in 2015 but didn't session and haven't made a return visit since, There is also Clinica Allure that I also visited in 2015 but it is a longer walk to get to and, for me on the day, turned out to be not worth the effort.

I would recommend that you scope out Kellys, Espaco marengo and Clinica Tatuape that are all located close to metro Carrao.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2248441]Yesterday I travelled on the metro over to Zona Leste to try out a new clinica in Tatuape called Kelly's Massagens. It appeared on Gpguia in mid-October and has been getting good reviews.

How to get there.

I travelled by metro to the Carrao station on the Linha Vermelha (Red line 3). Once you go through the exit barrier at the station, turn left and walk along the walkway over the main road. At the end of the walkway you can descend by either taking the stairs (signposted Platform D) or walking down the ramp. Either route will bring you down into the bus station. Walk through the bus station. There are lots of quiosques selling food snacks and it it a good place to get a cheap meal if hungry. Everything is labelled with the price and the prices all seem the same (I had a cheese / ham sandwich and pao de quijo for 4 reais in total). Once past the bus station, turn right onto Rua Monte Serrat and then at the next junction (Rua Platina), cross over the road and walk 3 blocks until you come to Rua Francisco Marengo. On Marengo turn right and keep walking down. You will pass Espaco Marengo at 210 Rua Francisco Marengo which is worth checking out. It is about a 10 minute walk to reach Rua Euclides Pacheco. As a pointer that you are near, Rua Euclides Pacheco is two blocks after Rua Cantagalo. Turn left onto Rua Euclides Pacheco and Kelly's is number 1932..[/QUOTE]Good report. There are some others not too far from the same metro, short uber ride from there is Clinica Analia Franco which is also well reviewed.

Picture is worth a thousand words, thanks Nordico!

Rovnak you are correct -my itinerary is simple, will be staying close to Moema metro and plan to use metro lines to make trips to (1) clinicas in vicinity of metro stations (2) main touristy sites -that's pretty much it.

Thanks for the help.

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2248368]Portuguese, English, Spanish.[/QUOTE]

I don't understand why you would take the metro when Uber is available and so cheap. If you want you can make Uber even cheaper by taking Juntos choice.

I guess metro makes sense during rush hour but then you are standing in a packed car.

[QUOTE=DoMat;2249243]I don't understand why you would take the metro when Uber is available and so cheap. If you want you can make Uber even cheaper by taking Juntos choice.

I guess metro makes sense during rush hour but then you are standing in a packed car.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you. I've been using Uber during my visit and it is very cheap and efficient.

Glad to be back in SP. Went to Tangara first, about 5 pm, great lineup with choice of about 12 girls, several in my wheelhouse (I like petite, slim, young, natural tits). Finally chose Lucie, a 19-year old slim girl with fabulous natural tits that only teens have. She was a sweetheart, very pretty, with lots of GFE and DFK, good tease and foreplay, delicious DATY, excellent BBBJ, and then several CFS positions. She was nice and tight. I usually like a CIM finish, but she was so tight that I easily finished in mish with her legs wrapped around me. She didn't speak any English, but we did fine with Google Translate. Wonderful value for only 150 for the hour. I gave her a nice tip, too, and she encouraged me to see her again.

Next up is my visit to Casarao.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2249602]Totally agree with you. I've been using Uber during my visit and it is very cheap and efficient.[/QUOTE]I use the metro sporadically now that is comes to Moema. I use it if I am out during rush hour. For example, I may uber to a place at 3 pm but take the metro back at 5 pm. Or if I am going on a longer journey, for example from Moema to Tatuape, or Pompeia, or Santana. So it all depends on the time and distance. I certainly wouldn't take it over Uber for a short trip during non peak hours.

This is a companion piece for my FKK buddies that collects my wisdom from my visit to SP. My best tips for success in SP. Hopefully it is useful to them and others.

Get Cash Early.

As people have said, use cash when you can. But here is the rub. Unlike other civilized countries, the hotels don't all have cash machines and the bank ones are locked up at 10 PM. So if you get horny at 11 PM, you are going to be using credit. Get your cash during the day so you are ready at night. Oh and beware not all the love motels take American plastic. Almost got stuck at one (u pay at the end) until we scrounged a few bills. Whew.

Brasileira Bunda.

The Brasileira bunda (butt) is an amazing thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation. I have never seen it outside of Brazil. And even though I am an avowed tit man, I became a fan.

Uber Rules.

Take Uber everywhere. It is so cheap you don't even need to budget for it. Like I literally drove across town in Caxias do Sul and it was $3.

Boates (pronounced Bow-ah-chay).

The boates don't get rolling till late. If you go at 11 you will be early. I am not kidding. If you are still there at 3 you will have plenty of company.

Do Your Research if Going Online.

Finding gems is not a fluke. You have to dig deeper than a pretty face. Google their phone number. Stalk their Twitter. Go on [URL]gpguia.com[/URL] and read their reviews. Mary Ninfeta has 40+ glowing reviews. My gem is no accident.

Learn basic Portuguese.

This totally changes the vibe. They are so impressed that you bothered they already like you better. And it really helps make it all less awkward. You can learn enough to be dangerous in 10-15 hours of content. So say a month at a half hour a day. Do it on your commute. It is an investment worth making.

Awkward Hotel Registration for Outcall.

If you bring her back to your hotel you are going to have to register her. There could be a small fee. The big thing is you have to be there with her signing her in. Can prove awkward for day meetings and trying to time so colleagues are not there.

Love Motels Rule!

Love motels are great and cheap. Maybe $20-25 for the time you need. Plus they have mirrors everywhere which is a bonus. There are plenty in Sao Paulo near the venues and there is one near Boate Ilha in Caxias do Sul. But its a 20 minute drive to one in Campinas.

Tattoos are Standard.

Virtually all the working girls have tattoos, even the innocent looking ones. You may not see them -- because they choose their clothes strategically. For example I now realize Duda's thigh high boots were to cover a large evil skull on her thigh. And she is actually tattedup nearly head to toe. Fortunately I thought the skull and all the rest rather badass. Eduarda, my Moustache girl had a pretty serious backplate. So just be prepared.

Brasilerias are Best!

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details!

I was talking with my FKK buddies over in that forum and extolling the virtues of Brazil. For those that are interested, I said I'd explain the Brazil scene in the SP forum. So here I am. I can't profess to know everything and I am inclined to the high end of the market, so, PLEASE chime in here with your collective knowledge and let's help the FKK fellas see what they are missing.

First I should mention that the primary club venues of Rio and SP are completely different. Rio is famous for its Termas (Sauna), which is the closest equivalent to an FKK. Has sort of the lounge around in a robe and drink whiskey vibe while picking out nice girls to fuck. I have not actually experienced this, so go to the Rio thread or someone else chime in, but Monte Carlo and Solarium looked appealing in this regard to me.

São Paulo is all about the Boate (bow-ah-chay) for a high end experience. Think of a deluxe nightclub, but where every chick wants to fuck you for money. You remember when you were first in your twenties and went to a nightclub and there were hot chicks there, but you had no game and couldn't figure out how to bed one? (Maybe that was only me). Same atmosphere here, but the only game you need is "Hi, my name is Steve" and a nice bankroll and any girl can be yours. Most all the clubs have rooms on site you rent. Some, like Sandallo, even serve you drinks while you are fucking (through a little revolving door). How sweet is that?

Top Boates in SP include Scandallo and BomBoa (Cafe Photo?) at the high end and Casarao is one notch down, but some real gems working there too. In Campinas (60 miles NW) there is Fazendinha out in the country -- holds pools parties and such also so might have some FKK like aspect, but I was only there at night. And Moustache is a tiny place in town, but the girls were hot.

During the day, there is a whole nuther thing going on with the Clinicas. Here, you go and have a beer in a waiting area, and they bring the girls in a parade one by one to choose from (like Brothels in Spain). The facilities can vary from quite dingy to quite nice. And the girls vary ALOT between Clinicas and even time of day. This was not really my thing, but I did have some quality sex and BBBJ with a pretty girl with a smokin body for $30. So there is high value here. Others are real fans of this scene and should please chime in.

Then of course there is a much seedier scene and even lower prices. However I think even more buyer beware and safety issues than RLD.

Hope this is helpful to my FKK buddies and maybe other SP noobs. See also the companion thread on tips and tricks. Have fun!

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2249604]Glad to be back in SP. Went to Tangara first, about 5 pm, great lineup with choice of about 12 girls, several in my wheelhouse (I like petite, slim, young, natural tits). Finally chose Lucie, a 19-year old slim girl with fabulous natural tits that only teens have. She was a sweetheart, very pretty, with lots of GFE and DFK, good tease and foreplay, delicious DATY, excellent BBBJ, and then several CFS positions. She was nice and tight. I usually like a CIM finish, but she was so tight that I easily finished in mish with her legs wrapped around me. She didn't speak any English, but we did fine with Google Translate. Wonderful value for only 150 for the hour. I gave her a nice tip, too, and she encouraged me to see her again.

Next up is my visit to Casarao.[/QUOTE]I can only agree. Was in Tangara last week while in SP. Very nice lineup and had Lucy 3 x. The managers are particularly polite. When lucy was late on my third time with her, they called her and paid her cab to speed things up. For me, Tangara is the best bet in town. And I say this after trying many clinicas in SP.

[QUOTE=LikeGirls;2249941]I can only agree. Was in Tangara last week while in SP. Very nice lineup and had Lucy 3 x. The managers are particularly polite. When lucy was late on my third time with her, they called her and paid her cab to speed things up. For me, Tangara is the best bet in town. And I say this after trying many clinicas in SP.[/QUOTE]Yes, the managers are very nice. However, I have been there three times in the last two weeks and have yet to session with anyone. There were maybe one or two I could have done, but the fuck factory atmosphere with lots of guys waiting in a queue to be the next guy to fuck a girl is a real turnoff.

Did a tour of less commented on clinicas (sometimes with other ISG members):

1) Redway was nothing special, did no one;

2) Nova Pan had 4 girls (one was busy) on Thursday (holiday), normally 6 girls there, Real 100/30 minutes, are $140/60 minutes. One fairly cute slim mulatta;

3) Clinica Nara had 6 girls on Thursday, normally 9, but no one I wanted to fuck, Real 180 for posters on [URL]gpguia.net[/URL];

4) Moema Prime had one girl I liked but she was gone the next time I went. Lineup probably comparable to Clinica Miruna, if a little smaller;

5) Chanes 57,5 girls available on Thursday, none interesting, two of whom didn't even give their names during the presentation;

6) Clinica Kin Center, 5 girls on a Saurday, nobody worthwhile;

7) Cancionero, 5 girls on a Saturday, none worthwhile;

8) Abbobora, 5 girls in the presentation, two of whom just waved at us, no way worth Real 260/60 minutes.

So far I have had the best luck at Nova Ceci, Miruna, Enjoy, and Espacio Morumbi.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2249717]I was talking with my FKK buddies over in that forum and extolling the virtues of Brazil. For those that are interested, I said I'd explain the Brazil scene in the SP forum. So here I am. I can't profess to know everything and I am inclined to the high end of the market, so, PLEASE chime in here with your collective knowledge and let's help the FKK fellas see what they are missing...[/QUOTE]A nice summary, comparing the FKKs to clubs in Brazil.

I have been going to FKKs since 2006, and managed to log 15+ trips, mostly around Frankfurt. I have also been to Rio close to 10 times, and to SP only once so far. If someone asked me the same question, I would advise them to visit all 3 venues, and then discuss the pros / cons of each venue. I think it depends on the personality of the monger, and how much Portuguese (or Spanish) they know. English is sufficient at the FKKs, not the case in Brazil. Hence, language ability can make a big difference in the enjoyment of a session, IMO.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2249711]This is a companion piece for my FKK buddies that collects my wisdom from my visit to SP. My best tips for success in SP. Hopefully it is useful to them and others.
...Get Cash Early.
...Learn basic Portuguese.
...Brasilerias are Best!
Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls...[/QUOTE]Nice summary! Thanks for putting this together, very useful to newbies. The Get cash early advice got my attention as well. The last time I was in Cafe Photo, I ended up using my ATM card, as I did not have enough cash for the ladies. I also agree with the need to pick up Portuguese. Luckily for me, I find it fun learning a new language, and I speak a couple of them.

Yeah, I agree Brasileiras are the best. They insist on having as much fun as their customer. I love that attitude!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2249717]So Paulo is all about the Boate (bow-ah-chay) for a high end experience. Think of a deluxe nightclub, but where every chick wants to fuck you for money. You remember when you were first in your twenties and went to a nightclub and there were hot chicks there, but you had no game and couldn't figure out how to bed one? (Maybe that was only me). Same atmosphere here, but the only game you need is "Hi, my name is Steve" and a nice bankroll and any girl can be yours. Most all the clubs have rooms on site you rent. Some, like Sandallo, even serve you drinks while you are fucking (through a little revolving door). How sweet is that?.[/QUOTE]First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2249711]Brasilerias are Best!

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details![/QUOTE]I agreed with Steve, regarding the escorting in Brazil (acompanhantes in Portuguese), the escorts are fun to be with and enjoy the time they are with you, quite different when you experienced escorts from Europe (Russia is the same as in Brazil), which are treating you as customer who just needs to come. I have been in Scandallo and Connection, both places belong to the same owner but girls are not switching from one to other. Scandallo is more expensive and girls are also better, but you could also find some quality in Connection for less price.

I'm not very big fan of clinicas, but once in a while I go for a massage with a private masseur. As Steve pointed out English is not wide spread in SP or RJ, so do your task to learn some basic languages words. I'm fluent in Portuguese, which gave me big advantage with the escorts because as Mandela said "If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart".

Looking forward to be back to SP even though this brazilian singer sang "there is no love in SP".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35HluEYpDs[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jim00;2250370]First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.[/QUOTE]That's quite an extreme difference in Geographical location. And different women. Some guys can only handle European, white girls, and other guys like myself like them caramel coated.

But as far as language goes, its not an issue in Germany. When I lived there back in 1980, it was difficult to learn German because the Germans were so fluent in English. They'd get tired of listening to you attempt German and just start talking to you in English. I had to assert myself to learn the language (which I sadly forgot in the past decade or two). Now I'm trying to learn Portuguese for a trip to Brazil next year. This is one reason Germany is popular with Anglophones. Its also ultra modern, has a good infrastructure as well as being expensive in most aspects with boring, bland cuisine. But, its a safe country and a good entry level destination. All you need is cash. And if you plan to do a lot of mongering, you will need a lot of it.

How would you imagine you would be competing with younger mongers? I just turned 61 and believe me, my age is the last thing I care about. There is no competition in mongering. That would be like competing with younger diners for the attention of a waitress in a restaurant. Except that mongers are usually vastly outnumbers by working girls in most situations. Working girls are competing for mongers, as you will soon find. They are hunting for you, not the other way around. In some places of the Dominican Republic, they can swarm you and solicit you rather aggressively (see my Trip Reports in the Boca Chica forum back in February 2017). Some working girls prefer older mongers because they are presumed to have less stamina and will finish quicker (that's not to say we won't make them work hard for that money).

If you have no experience in Latin America, it is not the ideal, entry level destination for someone who feeling confident as a monger (unless you have a wingman to show you around). I admit I had no experience in South America when I did my first ever, dedicated mongering trip to Medellin. But, I'd had some P4P experiences in the US and Germany previously and I was feeling ready for anything after that. If you are going solo, you might consider Thailand or the Philippines, where they make it real easy for you. While I would not want you to over think your mongering debut, I do think you should RETHINK this a bit. When you narrow it between a particular FKK in a particular city in Europe and no particular place in a particular city in South America, you have pretty much excluded 99% of the mongering options. There might be a better place for you to get your feet wet and not have as many details to worry about. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2250663]That's quite an extreme difference in Geographical location. And different women. Some guys can only handle European, white girls, and other guys like myself like them caramel coated.

If you have no experience in Latin America, it is not the ideal, entry level destination for someone who feeling confident as a monger (unless you have a wingman to show you around). I admit I had no experience in South America when I did my first ever, dedicated mongering trip to Medellin. But, I'd had some P4P experiences in the US and Germany previously and I was feeling ready for anything after that. If you are going solo, you might consider Thailand or the Philippines, where they make it real easy for you. While I would not want you to over think your mongering debut, I do think you should RETHINK this a bit. When you narrow it between a particular FKK in a particular city in Europe and no particular place in a particular city in South America, you have pretty much excluded 99% of the mongering options. There might be a better place for you to get your feet wet and not have as many details to worry about. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]For me, the caramel coat is something I'm used to in the US.

For SP, I've found this site and it appears to be very informative: [URL]https://the-w-h-o-r-e-monger.com/sao-paulo-brazil-prives-prostitutes-brothels-sex-clubs/[/URL] (remove dashes).

I, certainly, don't want to jump off a cliff; however, this site makes it seem like you can do clinics to find WGs to connect with later. And, the club scene reminds me of strip clubs with VIP rooms.

Honestly though, I have no way of knowing if link above is even remotely correct. If someone who has mongered in SP can confirm it's veracity, I would greatly appreciate it. I won't book a trip until January so I haven't committed to anything. Thanks for posting!

[QUOTE=Jim00;2250370]First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what the average age is, but I am mid-fifties and the girls I was with were all early or mid twenties. Without exception they seemed THRILLED to go with me. I am reasonably trim and have most of my hair but honestly I am pretty sure that doesn't matter. I have to say Brasileiras seem to look past age much easier than others from what I can see.

Can't say that my experience with Thifany is typical (she is the one I flew to London for a week after knowing her for a total of five hours) but she is 23 (had her birthday dinner in London!) and said she prefers older men. She said her last boyfriend was also in his fifties and that younger men are more rough and demanding. FWIW.

But in summary, you need no game. Only cash and a willingness to engage.

That said, the FKK is EASIER if you are new to this most of the girls speak some English and the rooms are right onsite. If you do Brazil and have the coin, then do Scandallo similar to FKK on the 'ease of use' front.

Ps if u do go FKK, Sharks is a great choice. And I would recommend FKK over Thailand for sure.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2234301]Try using an active phone number you find on the internet. Perhaps a hotel. You don't even need to be staying there. Back in the day when they required a Brazilian social security type number, I just hijacked one I found on the internet.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help. I entered several numbers without luck as it said that the only acceptable number was 0. I kept thinking this was a mistake in my google translate but when I entered 0 I was in. And finally the bot question about something flying would only take 'aviao' as an answer. With the tilde over the a.

I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). My plan, for the first few days, is to stay at a hotel (Hilton, Hyatt or Intercontinental) and I'the prefer to just order in off these sites. I know service levels might be hit or miss (that's why I'the like to see more reviews) but I've been on twitter enough to know that the sites aren't photoshopped beyond reason. The girls look very hot to my taste.

I prefer daytime fun. Will the hotels be a problem, assuming the girls looks reasonably professional and put together, if she just comes to my room? I could tell them on check in that I will have Portuguese tutors coming every day. I could set up an appointment at a love hotel. I can always go to the gp apartment too. I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2251068]I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.[/QUOTE]They may photocopy your passport, take a photo of you, call the girl and if OK they send you up or the girl has to come down to pick you up.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2251068]I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). My plan, for the first few days, is to stay at a hotel (Hilton, Hyatt or Intercontinental) and I'the prefer to just order in off these sites. I know service levels might be hit or miss (that's why I'the like to see more reviews) but I've been on twitter enough to know that the sites aren't photoshopped beyond reason. The girls look very hot to my taste.

I prefer daytime fun. Will the hotels be a problem, assuming the girls looks reasonably professional and put together, if she just comes to my room? I could tell them on check in that I will have Portuguese tutors coming every day. I could set up an appointment at a love hotel. I can always go to the gp apartment too. I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.[/QUOTE]Yes, "bureaucracy" can refer to building security "portaria", not to be confused with "putaria". Some places require presentation of ID.

Re gp-guia, its a frustrating mix of great information and terrible implementation. Search by phone number is god awful. Its better to use google to search for a phone # and hen look for gp-guia in result set than use the gp-guia search itself. Its great for clinica GP reviews but shitty for boate reviews. The "acompanhante" free lance reviews are hit and miss. There are far fewer "beware" reviews than I would like, probably because the site now requires consent from providers to allow reviews. A bad provider has no incentive to allow reviews and that may be one reason there are so few, And also many good "new" providers do not even know about gp-guia, it takes a member to apprise them of the side and indicate how they can register. As for the quality of the reviews, it depends on the quality and tastes of the reviewer. Some reviewers are perceptive and others are not. I find my taste is more demanding than a lot of the Brazilian guys so I pretty much rely on reviews to just warn me of bad apples.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2251068]Thanks for the help. I entered several numbers without luck as it said that the only acceptable number was 0. I kept thinking this was a mistake in my google translate but when I entered 0 I was in. And finally the bot question about something flying would only take 'aviao' as an answer. With the tilde over the a.

I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). My plan, for the first few days, is to stay at a hotel (Hilton, Hyatt or Intercontinental) and I'the prefer to just order in off these sites. I know service levels might be hit or miss (that's why I'the like to see more reviews) but I've been on twitter enough to know that the sites aren't photoshopped beyond reason. The girls look very hot to my taste.

I prefer daytime fun. Will the hotels be a problem, assuming the girls looks reasonably professional and put together, if she just comes to my room? I could tell them on check in that I will have Portuguese tutors coming every day. I could set up an appointment at a love hotel. I can always go to the gp apartment too. I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.[/QUOTE]My experience is you can't just get the girl straight to your room. I had a girl come at 3 or 4 PM and thought I could casually walk with her to the elevator. Was surprised by an excuse me sir. And had to register her at the front desk. They took her ID and made he fill out a form. It was no big deal but happened to me at two different hotels.

No point making up a story. They know exactly what is going on and have a process.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2251068]Thanks for the help.

I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). [/QUOTE]The turnover on [URL]clubmodel.com[/URL] is extremely high. However, you can find the majority of them at Scandallos, also.

Went there this Sunday because I remembered that they have freelancers on the weekend. There were 38 names on the list of girls present, many of them freelancers. On Sundays (or at least this Sunday), there is also a discount on price: you get an hour session, normally Real 220, for the half hour price, Real 190. Did a dupla at the normal price of Real 320, with two freelancers, Sheila and Jacqueline. Nice session, but lacking the intimacy of a one-on-one session. However, they asked for a tip, the first time any girl has asked for it. Gave them some candy I brought from America (which I give to all the girls I session with who are good) and that seemed to satisfy them.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2251175]The turnover on [URL]clubmodel.com[/URL] is extremely high. However, you can find the majority of them at Scandallos, also.[/QUOTE]Interesting to know that the girls off those high end sites also work at Scandallos. Hadn't heard that mentioned before. It might also explain why there seems to be no Scandallos thread on gpguia.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2251163]My experience is you can't just get the girl straight to your room. I had a girl come at 3 or 4 PM and thought I could casually walk with her to the elevator. Was surprised by an excuse me sir. And had to register her at the front desk. They took her ID and made he fill out a form. It was no big deal but happened to me at two different hotels.

No point making up a story. They know exactly what is going on and have a process.[/QUOTE]Do I have to come down? Can the girl just register at the front desk and then come up? Also I don't mind coming down, even meeting them for a drink etc but my lack of Porto makes that a bit awkward. If we could talk in Spanish I'the be perfectly happy to do it.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2251586]Do I have to come down? Can the girl just register at the front desk and then come up? Also I don't mind coming down, even meeting them for a drink etc but my lack of Porto makes that a bit awkward. If we could talk in Spanish I'the be perfectly happy to do it.[/QUOTE]I know many of us from the Purtanical US, including me, find it awkward to talk about such things. But really, it being perfectly legal and common in Brazil, maybe just ask? I really doubt they would be surprised if you called down to the front desk and said you are having a young lady over later and what process do you need to follow.

As I said, when they made her register it was like a well oiled machine where they do this all the time.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2251139]
Re gp-guia, its a frustrating mix of great information and terrible implementation. Search by phone number is god awful. Its better to use google to search for a phone # and hen look for gp-guia in result set than use the gp-guia search itself. Its great for clinica GP reviews but shitty for boate reviews. The "acompanhante" free lance reviews are hit and miss. There are far fewer "beware" reviews than I would like, probably because the site now requires consent from providers to allow reviews. A bad provider has no incentive to allow reviews and that may be one reason there are so few, And also many good "new" providers do not even know about gp-guia, it takes a member to apprise them of the side and indicate how they can register. As for the quality of the reviews, it depends on the quality and tastes of the reviewer. Some reviewers are perceptive and others are not. I find my taste is more demanding than a lot of the Brazilian guys so I pretty much rely on reviews to just warn me of bad apples.[/QUOTE]So the girls have to assent to being reviewed? That would definitely warp the info being provided. Still, be thankful for local boards. Most in the states have shut down since the FOSTA craziness. What about clinica girls? I know from other mongering I'm not likely to find clinicas to my preference but if the reviews are better I might try harder there. None of the clinica web sites seem to list a daily schedule though so it's hard to match a girl to a specific time and place.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2251619]So the girls have to assent to being reviewed? That would definitely warp the info being provided. Still, be thankful for local boards. Most in the states have shut down since the FOSTA craziness. What about clinica girls? I know from other mongering I'm not likely to find clinicas to my preference but if the reviews are better I might try harder there. None of the clinica web sites seem to list a daily schedule though so it's hard to match a girl to a specific time and place.[/QUOTE]It hasn't always been this way, there was time when reviews were more comprehensive of all the places and free lancers. But for at least the last year if not more, when a new never before reviewed provider is reviewed, the admin will edit the thread, remove the phone number and post a note saying that the thread is blocked until the provider register and authorize. It's a very inconsistent rule, it seems to only apply to new providers, its quite possible that providers who were already had reviews before the new rule was instituted were grandfathered in, I really don't know. But I do know that new providers must register and send a PM or public post to the attention of the admin. Its a one time authorization, its not an every review authorization.

Its also inconsistent in that this only applies to free lancers. The reviews for the "places" like clinicas and boates do not require any authorization from the provider herself. However, the "place" can request to be omitted from the site. Many of the high end places France Bel, Bomboa, and others have "opted out" and therefore no reviews of those places are present. Those places consider gp-guia to be an exposure risk I suppose. While other places with their gp-guia fidelity programs consider gp-guia to be effectively "free marketing'.

Don't know what the holiday was this weekend, the place was packed, I had a blast at The House. Took Giselle to Hotel Savoy and pulled an all night GFE / PSE! If Spring Break '77 was a night club it would be Casaro! There was a shift change and the replacement guy forgot to charge me the six hours for the room. Gave him a BRL $20 tip!

More Giselle.

All good information. I assume as a place Scandallos has opted out then.

I have admit I find this reticence strange given how aggressive and explicit the top end GPS twitter advertising is.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2251625]It hasn't always been this way, there was time when reviews were more comprehensive of all the places and free lancers. But for at least the last year if not more, when a new never before reviewed provider is reviewed, the admin will edit the thread, remove the phone number and post a note saying that the thread is blocked until the provider register and authorize. It's a very inconsistent rule, it seems to only apply to new providers, its quite possible that providers who were already had reviews before the new rule was instituted were grandfathered in, I really don't know. But I do know that new providers must register and send a PM or public post to the attention of the admin. Its a one time authorization, its not an every review authorization.

Its also inconsistent in that this only applies to free lancers. The reviews for the "places" like clinicas and boates do not require any authorization from the provider herself. However, the "place" can request to be omitted from the site. Many of the high end places France Bel, Bomboa, and others have "opted out" and therefore no reviews of those places are present. Those places consider gp-guia to be an exposure risk I suppose. While other places with their gp-guia fidelity programs consider gp-guia to be effectively "free marketing'.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2251721]All good information. I assume as a place Scandallos has opted out then.

I have admit I find this reticence strange given how aggressive and explicit the top end GPS twitter advertising is.[/QUOTE]Both Scandalo and Bomboa were shut down previously for over a year by the city for violations. That is why they do not want exposure.

Also, the boates in general have fallen ut of favor with gpguia mongers compared to the golden age of boates. For a resident and frequent monger the boates are overpriced and underwhelming compared to convenience and price advantage of clinicas and free lancers. For a visitor or very occasional monger, different story. A resident has luxury if time to find value, a visitor has fewer options.

Also reviews of garotas in boates are pretty worthless. At best a boate review will inidacte the overall vibe and number of chicks, IE a review of the entire club. A review of a single garota is not too helpful because the turnover and unpredictability of boate staff is so high. Also finding a garota in a boate based on a review is not easy, and really why bother? If you are in a boate, you rely on your own eyes and you chat, so who needs a review? Clinicas and free lancers, different story as one has to commit without much chit chat.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2251617]I know many of us from the Purtanical US, including me, find it awkward to talk about such things. But really, it being perfectly legal and common in Brazil, maybe just ask? I really doubt they would be surprised if you called down to the front desk and said you are having a young lady over later and what process do you need to follow.

As I said, when they made her register it was like a well oiled machine where they do this all the time.[/QUOTE]It goes without saying that dealing with Brazilian front desk clerks who are male is the smoothest thing. No problems. Once in awhile, you might deal with a middle age woman with a crappy attitude towards working girls.

So I like to figure out who is working what shifts and speak to the men directly about the process.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2251826]Also reviews of garotas in boates are pretty worthless. At best a boate review will inidacte the overall vibe and number of chicks, IE a review of the entire club. A review of a single garota is not too helpful because the turnover and unpredictability of boate staff is so high. Also finding a garota in a boate based on a review is not easy, and really why bother? If you are in a boate, you rely on your own eyes and you chat, so who needs a review? Clinicas and free lancers, different story as one has to commit without much chit chat.[/QUOTE]Very good info for a newbie. Thanks for posting this.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2251710]More Giselle.[/QUOTE]Damn, great photos. I didn't see anyone remotely as attractive as her when I visited Casarão.

Yes, Vani took over another clinica, this time Yankin, on Rua Dr. Jose de Queirós Aranha 148, near metro Ana Rosa.

I went there this afternoon, there were 16 nice girls in house.

Good alternative to Tangara.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2252884]Yes, Vani took over another clinica, this time Yankin, on Rua Dr. Jose de Queirs Aranha 148, near metro Ana Rosa.

I went there this afternoon, there were 16 nice girls in the house.

Good alternative to Tangara.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Phone +551125017603. Open Mon through Sat 10 AM till 10 PM, Sundays 11 AM till 8 PM.

Prices = 160 reais = 1 hour and 100 reais 1/2 hour. Prices for payment in cash, if paid I credit card add 20 reais.

ABG.

Tangara has one of the best team of Garotas, between 30 and 48 every day.

If you are into a more European style girl there are some 04 to 10 Garotas from Curitiba, Parana in the house. Most of them stay a week or two and then go back but there is the nice Thas from Curitiba, young, slim, GFE, BBBJ, DFK. She comes in around noon and stays until 6 PM.

ABG.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2252048]Damn, great photos. I didn't see anyone remotely as attractive as her when I visited Casaro.[/QUOTE]Really? I would only rate her looks as a 6, maybe 7. The 2 nights that I was there, most girls were 6's and 7's, some 8's, very few 9's (and they were all busy all night).

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2256264]Really? I would only rate her looks as a 6, maybe 7. The 2 nights that I was there, most girls were 6's and 7's, some 8's, very few 9's (and they were all busy all night).[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own taste, but I would not even rate her as highly as that in terms of looks. Service may be phenomenal, but certainly not above the norm in terms of casarao looks IMO.

Many new girls from Belo Horizonte and Curitiba arrived yesterday. I went there with my American friend and he loved the parade.

Today the place opens at noon and closes at 8 PM.

ABG.

[QUOTE=RTheMan;2256264]Really? I would only rate her looks as a 6, maybe 7. The 2 nights that I was there, most girls were 6's and 7's, some 8's, very few 9's (and they were all busy all night).[/QUOTE]While Giselle in the photos might have a familiar Brazilian morena look, I find her quite pretty and sexy.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2256617]While Giselle in the photos might have a familiar Brazilian morena look, I find her quite pretty and sexy.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own ranking system, so that's cool. I think the larger point is that RTheMan and I are surprised that ShooBree did not see others at Casarao that he considered comparable. For RTheMan and myself Casarao is full of women like this, as are the clinicas. There is nothing "extraordinary" about her looks. Again her service may be out of this world, that is another issue.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2256656]Everyone has their own ranking system, so that's cool. I think the larger point is that RTheMan and I are surprised that ShooBree did not see others at Casarao that he considered comparable. For RTheMan and myself Casarao is full of women like this, as are the clinicas. There is nothing "extraordinary" about her looks. Again her service may be out of this world, that is another issue.[/QUOTE]Well, there are several different possibilities but the easiest would be if you posted a picture of a girl that you consider an 8.

If you think that she was a 6 I would love to see your 8.

I only went to Casarao once, maybe it was a bad Wednesday night. Maybe I did a bad job scouting the place, but I don't think so since I took my time. I didn't visit any clinicas while in São Paulo since it was a very short visit and I suffered from an hangover the day after.

Honestly, I just think it's a very subjective matter and we don't see things the same way.

For example, in the Rio thread people talk positively about Copa 583 and negative about Delirio Oriental.

To me 583 was dog shit and Delirio was great.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2256466]Many new girls from Belo Horizonte and Curitiba arrived yesterday. I went there with my American friend and he loved the parade.

Today the place opens at noon and closes at 8 PM.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! I have a thing for curvy women, think of Kim Kardashian's body. Any of the new girls have those amazing curves or mostly skinny girls?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2257019]Well, there are several different possibilities but the easiest would be if you posted a picture of a girl that you consider an 8.

If you think that she was a 6 I would love to see your 8.

I only went to Casarao once, maybe it was a bad Wednesday night. Maybe I did a bad job scouting the place, but I don't think so since I took my time. I didn't visit any clinicas while in So Paulo since it was a very short visit and I suffered from an hangover the day after.

Honestly, I just think it's a very subjective matter and we don't see things the same way.

For example, in the Rio thread people talk positively about Copa 583 and negative about Delirio Oriental.

To me 583 was dog shit and Delirio was great.[/QUOTE]I was not trying to challenge your taste, as I said everyone's tastes are different. I don't post photos here be / see I don't show girls faces online out of respect for their privacy and without seeing the face you would not be able to ascertain too much. No offense intended. I just have to say honestly, that IMO the woman below is ok, just not special imo. She is a nice color, I love morenas, she has a nice butt, but looks a little think in the waist. Which is extremely common in Brazil. I prefer women with what is called "cintura fina" , a thin waist. Those types are harder to find and those I would rate higher than this woman. Her face is not really visible but from what I can see she looks like a typical Brazilian morena, which is fine. Perhaps when you say, that you did not see any like her at Casarao on your one visit, you are specifically referring to her color. Its possible there were not many morenas or mulatas at Casarao that night when you went. But normally there are.

Cheers.

I spent a few days in SP a couple of weeks ago. I was in the city twice, with a short trip to the beach in the middle of the trip.

I first stayed at the Blue Tree Morumbi for several nights and after return from the beach I stayed at AirBnb in the same area in a nice complex called Max Haus (on Rua Joaquin Guarani, 400 meters or so from Clininca Brooklin). Both places were great in terms of location, price and facilities. This was primarily a personal trip which dictated the location. I rented a car which was good for local transport. Cheap and easy for my travel in the areas I needed to be.

I had a chance to sample five girls:

1. Cancioneiro: I was in a rush to get somewhere and this was just down the street so I stopped by on a Tuesday afternoon. It was quiet and there weren't too many girls and only one was appealing: Sara. 23 year old morena. Attractive with a nice body. Firm and in shape. Good service and for the price (R $150?) a very good deal. The clinica is pretty typical in terms of decor and amenities.

2. Same night. I browsed one of the escort websites. I chose a girl named Yuki or Suki. Corresponded by what's app and agreed are $250 for an hour with promises that the girl that would appear is the same as the one pictured in the ad. Before she arrives I get a message that there is an extra are $50 charge for the taxi ride back. I agree. She arrives and the hotel informs me the extra guest charge is are $120, so the total is now are $420. Oh well. She is escorted up and before I open the door I am wondering what surprise will await me. I answer the knock at the door and not surprisingly the girl at the door is not the one pictured on the website. But, she was a complete knockout. She is tall and slim and really sexy. Basically dressed like catwoman without the mask. I think her name was Fey. Anyway, she was incredibly hot and I enjoyed her, but the service was rather routine. So after that, given the price, I decided to focus on the nearby clinicas.

3. Monday the following week: I visited Brooklin around 6 pm. It was so crowded. Must have been 20 guys. There were still a lot of girls but I was too slow and didn't get what I wanted so I walked over to Kin. They were super friendly, but they don't operate on the same scale as Brooklin. Nevertheless, after a rather modest presentation I chose Natalie. Early 20's, attractive with a very firm, athletic body. Pretty good service and similar in price to Cancioneiro.

4. Tuesday: this was my real score: I visited Brooklin mid-afternoon to avoid the crowds. Ended up with Sofia. What a gem. 23 and cute. Smallish body with a couple of tats. We hit it off immediately. She must have liked my broken Portuguese. Anyway, she was among the best I have ever had. Super sweet, great service. A real gem and an excellent session. R $220.

5. Wed: I checked out Brooklin again but it was crowded. Went over to Espaco Morumbi. Nothing happening there. Actually what I saw there that day was pretty much the worst I've seen.

6. Thurs:4. Since I was leaving that afternoon Brooklin at the open. Sofia was not there so I chose Raquel. Another gem. 29 and cute. Great body and with an aggressive, fuck me hard, service. Another real gem and another excellent session. R $220.

Summary: Brooklin can be very good. (Its not my first time there and overall I find that for the price the value can be incredible).

Having lived in Asia for 20+ years its simply a joy to be in Brazil. The girls are beyond compare. Asian girls are good, but for me, I like a nice firm body which I rarely find here. Many Asian girls are slim but rarely firm; they can be very soft and flabby even when slim; and they are no match for Brazilian breasts and bundas. And the Brazilians are very service oriented.

Looking forward to my next trip in April!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2257019]Well, there are several different possibilities but the easiest would be if you posted a picture of a girl that you consider an 8.

If you think that she was a 6 I would love to see your 8.[/QUOTE]Its a reasonable request, if we met personally I would show you a bunch of contacts that I have which I consider to be beautiful. But I cannot post here. Some other posters can attest that I do not bullshit on this topic. But in general I don't really care for the 1-10 scale.

I have my own 3 tier scale:

Bottom: girls I would not even have sex with for free. They just do not interest me at all. Others may find them attractive but they just have no appeal to me.

Middle: girls I would do for free but I would not pay.

Top: girls I would pay.

I am very choosy when it comes to paying. Fortunately, in SP there are sufficient quantity to choose from that I find more than enough in the top category. Even with Tinder I apply this scale.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2256466]Many new girls from Belo Horizonte and Curitiba arrived yesterday. I went there with my American friend and he loved the parade.

Today the place opens at noon and closes at 8 PM.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Yesterday again to Tangara, lots of new girls from BH and Curitiba. My friend went with Mariah, a slim blonde and I went with Baby Gibi, a little caucasian, 20 yo, body full of tattoos, very GFE, DFK, and excellent BBBJ.

Very good intercourse on top of me, came once inside of her, second with a nice CIM.

Girls I would recommend: Thaís, Porshe, Mariah, Cacau, Isis, Sol, among others.

ABG.

Quick update Brooklin still is king of the clincas imo but I sampled chanes57 for the first time I didn't check the bar out upstairs but my next trip I will be sure too. I hit scandallo for the first time I guess I expected more talent but it really wasn't more talent than some the clincas. I hit cassaro after that major talent in there as it was a Saturday, I need to check out during the week considering the board says it a lot of talent during the week. Sunday I got started late due to not even leaving Casarao until 7:30 am hit Tangaria have it a 2nd try that place just doesn't do it for me. I went to the Skye bar I came up on a girl IDK if she was a working girl or not but she Gave me a massage card afterwards LOL. Monday I hit kilt only 5 girls in there so finished at Cassaro again. To sum it up SP still is king in my book. But Monday and Sundays are slow like most cities but it's still options to be found.

I've read through all the more recent reports and it looks like Tangera is highly recommended but it appears to be about 42 minutes by taxi from GRU. Is there anywhere else someone would recommend that might be nearly as good but easier to hit from the airport? I will have maybe 6 hours Friday evening, I just don't want to cut it super close.

[QUOTE=Sargent50;2260457]Quick update Brooklin still is king of the clincas imo but I sampled chanes57 for the first time I didn't check the bar out upstairs but my next trip I will be sure too. I hit scandallo for the first time I guess I expected more talent but it really wasn't more talent than some the clincas. I hit cassaro after that major talent in there as it was a Saturday, I need to check out during the week considering the board says it a lot of talent during the week. Sunday I got started late due to not even leaving Casarao until 7:30 am hit Tangaria have it a 2nd try that place just doesn't do it for me. I went to the Skye bar I came up on a girl IDK if she was a working girl or not but she Gave me a massage card afterwards LOL. Monday I hit kilt only 5 girls in there so finished at Cassaro again. To sum it up SP still is king in my book. But Monday and Sundays are slow like most cities but it's still options to be found.[/QUOTE]Casarao is as close as you get to the olde Helpeee Disco in 2018 in Sao Paulo. Whatever you're looking for. You can find it, Scandallos reminds me of a Vegas gold diggers convention. Cafe Photo, the exact same thing. Lots of pomp & fakery.

Colleagues, just how safe is SP?

I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.

This far I've gathered that I want to visit Mexico City for one or two of the parties (if the schedule allows), Guadalajara because it's near CDMX, somewhere in Colombia (*** where) just to see what it's like, and possibly an island or two. Thinking about adding SP to the list as well.

Also, what would you recommend as a beach destination with good girl availability for the few days before and after the New Year? I like to have a sea nearby to meet the New Year.

I've been out of the mongering scene for a few years. Now for a number of reasons I feel the need to pay for companionship. So I need advice please.

I find myself with an unexpectedly approved vacation request for the New Year + Christmas holidays. Basically 2 weeks or so. If I was in Europe and this was 5 years ago, it'd be a no-brainer. Germany and partytreff tour. However, I am in the USA, I am not at all comfortable mongering here (too expensive and generally not that great) so I am thinking about heading South. Either go through a few places, or stay somewhere nice, ideally with a beach, and get a girl or 3 every day.

Here's what I'd like:

- Reasonably priced access to a broad variety of talent (I mention partytreffs because for me the rabbit-style works best, a few sessions about 4 seconds each, with lots of cuddling and touching before and after).

- Pricing per hour, not "per pop".

- Good, GFE-like attitude.

- Easy BBBJ.

Here's what I'm concerned about:

- The talent suddenly going home for the holidays and me being stuck dating my right hand.

- Personal safety.

- I don't like dirty places.

Would you recommend PV? Or what would be a better destination? I'm wide open to suggestions.

I've been to CDMX, Cancun, Cabos. Cabos seems too expensive. Cancun seems to not have enough talent for my liking (although I could have been doing it wrong). CDMX is good but the city is kinda ugly and somewhat depressing. Plus I prefer warmer places.

I've also been to Buenos Aires, Costa Rica, Panama. All are okay destinations.

Respectfully,

Me.

I've read through all the more recent reports and it looks like Tangera is highly recommended but it appears to be about 42 minutes by taxi from GRU. Is there anywhere else someone would recommend that might be nearly as good but easier to hit from the airport? I will have maybe 6 hours Friday evening, I just don't want to cut it super close.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2260810]Colleagues, just how safe is SP?

I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.

This far I've gathered that I want to visit Mexico City for one or two of the parties (if the schedule allows), Guadalajara because it's near CDMX, somewhere in Colombia (*** where) just to see what it's like, and possibly an island or two. Thinking about adding SP to the list as well.

Also, what would you recommend as a beach destination with good girl availability for the few days before and after the New Year? I like to have a sea nearby to meet the New Year.

I've been out of the mongering scene for a few years. Now for a number of reasons I feel the need to pay for companionship. So I need advice please..[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo is the best destination to monger in Brazil, there are more options. It depends on your budget.

You are into the beach, you better go to Rio de Janeiro. Mongering in Rio de Janeiro is good but the options are limited.

There are good girls and bad girls in every state, GFE attitude, you can find in Sao Paulo as well as in other states. It depends on the girl and how you act around girls.

BBBJ, DFK and anal sex are very common in Brazil, you won't have trouble with that, but better to ask before having sex.

It's very relaxed to monger in Brazil, you can chat with and kiss the girls before having sex. It depends on the type of brothel.

Safety: you have to be careful wherever you go, not only in Brazil. Just avoid empty places.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2260810]Colleagues, just how safe is SP?

I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.[/QUOTE]Assuming you stay in the 'nice' part of town, I think concerns about safety in Brazil are way overblown. Remember there are lots of middle class and wealty Brazilians who wish to be insulated from such nonsense as well. Personally I don't see Sampa as any different than BsAs.

I've been here for the 10 days on my first visit and have never felt uneasy. But I'm living the life of a wealthy man, taking Uber everywhere, going to the established clubs and clinicas, renting an Airbnb in Itami Bibi. I also hired altobomgusto for a couple of days to show me the ropes but am now out on my own. Worth it for me.

Depending on your taste as always, the level of girls looks and service is as high as anywhere I've been.

And, any Christian country will have a severe drop off as the holidays approach. For a mongering and beach vacay, I'd think Thailand might be better?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2256328]Everyone has their own taste, but I would not even rate her as highly as that in terms of looks. Service may be phenomenal, but certainly not above the norm in terms of casarao looks IMO.[/QUOTE]One thing I notice about ratings is it depends a lot on background noise. I've been in Sampa for 10 days and the first day at Tangara I couldn't believe the number of 8 or higher garotas there were, but now those 8's are 6's. Case in point, my first Brazilian in Brazil. She had a lovely face too which she wouldn't let me photo.

Coming from sex prison I'the initially rated every girl at scandallos an 8 or higher. After I've been here a few days that scale has slid downwards. Still lots of 9 or higher though.

Forgot to attach photo.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2260952]And, any Christian country will have a severe drop off as the holidays approach. For a mongering and beach vacay, I'd think Thailand might be better?[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing!

12 hours time difference is going to ruin it for me. And I'd rather explore more accessible areas so that I wouldn't feel stuck on this side of the world.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2260810]Colleagues, just how safe is SP?

I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.

This far I've gathered that I want to visit Mexico City for one or two of the parties (if the schedule allows), Guadalajara because it's near CDMX, somewhere in Colombia (*** where) just to see what it's like, and possibly an island or two. Thinking about adding SP to the list as well.

Also, what would you recommend as a beach destination with good girl availability for the few days before and after the New Year? I like to have a sea nearby to meet the New Year.

I've been out of the mongering scene for a few years. Now for a number of reasons I feel the need to pay for companionship. So I need advice please.

I find myself with an unexpectedly approved vacation request for the New Year + Christmas holidays. Basically 2 weeks or so. If I was in Europe and this was 5 years ago, it'd be a no-brainer. Germany and partytreff tour. However, I am in the USA, I am not at all comfortable mongering here (too expensive and generally not that great) so I am thinking about heading South. Either go through a few places, or stay somewhere nice, ideally with a beach, and get a girl or 3 every day.

Here's what I'd like:

- Reasonably priced access to a broad variety of talent (I mention partytreffs because for me the rabbit-style works best, a few sessions about 4 seconds each, with lots of cuddling and touching before and after).

- Pricing per hour, not "per pop".

- Good, GFE-like attitude.

- Easy BBBJ.

Here's what I'm concerned about:

- The talent suddenly going home for the holidays and me being stuck dating my right hand.

- Personal safety.

- I don't like dirty places.

Would you recommend PV? Or what would be a better destination? I'm wide open to suggestions.[/QUOTE]Whew, I just worked through that post. There's a lot there. It's probably best to break up posts like this into separate thoughts and countries.

First and foremost, your probability of dying when visiting Brazil goes up every year. That is simply a fact and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

I don't know if your going to find a partyreff-style scene outside Germany. Hmmm, lots of cuddling and touching before and after four second rabbit-style orgies? Interesting. Not sure how that works exactly. I've done the self-coordinated group thing once in awhile in Brazil. It's called a "festa" in Portuguese sex parlance. This type of action can be fun once in awhile. However, Brazilian girls are very well-trained on safe sex. It seems the action slows down to change the condom every time there is a switch. Not at all like a porn video.

I'm surprised by your attraction to Mexico for mongering, but to each his own. Does stand for PV Puerto Vallarta? I don't think Puerto Vallarta is a great mongering destination. Beach weather can be a bit cool over the holidays very cold current and possibility of a cool front for a few days.

I concur Rio and Thailand would be good beach / mongering options. Rio is expensive over New Years (Reveillon) but everything goes up during the holiday everywhere especially airfares. Rio now is kind of a beach vacation with mongering on the side. Not too long ago, it was a completely integrated tropical fantasy. A Thai beach / mongering vacay can be narrowed down to Pattaya, so-so beach, tons of mongering and Phuket, nice beaches, some mongering. You can integrate the beach and mongering in Thailand. The Dominican Republic might be a good New Years beach destination that doesn't break the bank.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2260952]Assuming you stay in the 'nice' part of town, I think concerns about safety in Brazil are way overblown. Remember there are lots of middle class and wealty Brazilians who wish to be insulated from such nonsense as well. Personally I don't see Sampa as any different than BsAs.

I've been here for the 10 days on my first visit and have never felt uneasy. But I'm living the life of a wealthy man, taking Uber everywhere, going to the established clubs and clinicas, renting an Airbnb in Itami Bibi. I also hired altobomgusto for a couple of days to show me the ropes but am now out on my own. Worth it for me.

Depending on your taste as always, the level of girls looks and service is as high as anywhere I've been.

And, any Christian country will have a severe drop off as the holidays approach. For a mongering and beach vacay, I'd think Thailand might be better?[/QUOTE]Here we go again with personal safety.

Sorry dawg but your activities are not exclusive to people with fat wallets. I can afford to hire Altobomgusto and have contacted him before my trip. But I missed my connecting flight so I had to consider other options.

Other forum members have dropped so much knowledge on me that I don't really need to hire anybody and I barely know any Portuguese. I wanted to visit Brazil since 2007, I finally went in 2016. I can't miss what I never experienced so while some forum members lament the increase in the Real over the last decade, there are still bargains to be had that are mainly used by the native population and unlike countries like Japan the locals are willing to share and thensome.

Speaking of the exchange rate when I went it made it very favorable to use Uber, Airbnb or stay in hostels for an extended amount of time.

Maybe I'm an idiot but I walked Sampa at night, late at night. I would notice if anybody was following me. I walked to one of the true hip-hop / rap clubs in Sampa, about 2 mile walk from Pinheiros district which was where I was staying.

I'll never understand the whole personal safety thing.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2261066]Whew, I just worked through that post. There's a lot there. It's probably best to break up posts like this into separate thoughts and countries.

First and foremost, your probability of dying when visiting Brazil goes up every year. That is simply a fact and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

I don't know if your going to find a partyreff-style scene outside Germany. Hmmm, lots of cuddling and touching before and after four second rabbit-style orgies? Interesting. Not sure how that works exactly. I've done the self-coordinated group thing once in awhile in Brazil. It's called a "festa" in Portuguese sex parlance. This type of action can be fun once in awhile. However, Brazilian girls are very well-trained on safe sex. It seems the action slows down to change the condom every time there is a switch. Not at all like a porn video.

I'm surprised by your attraction to Mexico for mongering, but to each his own. Does stand for PV Puerto Vallarta? I don't think Puerto Vallarta is a great mongering destination. Beach weather can be a bit cool over the holidays very cold current and possibility of a cool front for a few days..[/QUOTE]Thank you. It's more of a brain dump for the more experienced people in the area to share random thoughts.

Mexico for mongering. Purely for logistical reasons, it's the shortest flight time for me at the moment. And time to time there are amazing flight deals. PV yes Puerto Vallarta, I've gathered enough to know that I probably wouldn't enjoy it there.

Thailand and anything else on that side of the world is simply too far. It'll take me a week to recover from the jetlag and then another week from the jetlag on return. Not fun. I'm getting too old. So that's why I'm sticking to this time zone.

The "beach" - I don't really need the beach scene with girls in the bikinis. I don't even like to swim. It's enough for me to know that the ocean is nearby, ideally to be able to look at it from a few feet away, walk on a civilized boardwalk with some restaurants. I liked the beach in Cozumel and La Paz but obviously mongering sux there.

Rio, I am kinda scared of it. Dominican Republic, I have an impression of it being a trashy touristy place. Could be totally wrong though. I'll probably end up just picking up the cheapest ticket when the time comes.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2261071]Thank you. It's more of a brain dump for the more experienced people in the area to share random thoughts.

Mexico for mongering. Purely for logistical reasons, it's the shortest flight time for me at the moment. And time to time there are amazing flight deals. PV yes Puerto Vallarta, I've gathered enough to know that I probably wouldn't enjoy it there.

Thailand and anything else on that side of the world is simply too far. It'll take me a week to recover from the jetlag and then another week from the jetlag on return. Not fun. I'm getting too old. So that's why I'm sticking to this time zone.

The "beach" - I don't really need the beach scene with girls in the bikinis. I don't even like to swim. It's enough for me to know that the ocean is nearby, ideally to be able to look at it from a few feet away, walk on a civilized boardwalk with some restaurants. I liked the beach in Cozumel and La Paz but obviously mongering sux there.

Rio, I am kinda scared of it. Dominican Republic, I have an impression of it being a trashy touristy place. Could be totally wrong though. I'll probably end up just picking up the cheapest ticket when the time comes.[/QUOTE]As far as your observations on the DR, I concur. Honestly, I've never seen a DR'an chick I wanted to do. Combined with their belief that they're not of African descent. To me they're a total turn off. Latinx cultural brainwashing to the max. As far as being too old, maybe that should an incentive to that flight to Thailand or wherever. We're not getting any younger. Being a North Carolina country boy at heart, my mantra has always been, "make hay while the sun is shining. " Dude you need to take that trip to Brasil, spend a little time in Sao Paulo and follow up with some time in Rio. Before you touch down in Rio just make sure you've done your homework. I love Brasil!

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2261071]Thank you. It's more of a brain dump for the more experienced people in the area to share random thoughts.

Mexico for mongering. Purely for logistical reasons, it's the shortest flight time for me at the moment. And time to time there are amazing flight deals. PV yes Puerto Vallarta, I've gathered enough to know that I probably wouldn't enjoy it there.

Thailand and anything else on that side of the world is simply too far. It'll take me a week to recover from the jetlag and then another week from the jetlag on return. Not fun. I'm getting too old. So that's why I'm sticking to this time zone.

The "beach" - I don't really need the beach scene with girls in the bikinis. I don't even like to swim. It's enough for me to know that the ocean is nearby, ideally to be able to look at it from a few feet away, walk on a civilized boardwalk with some restaurants. I liked the beach in Cozumel and La Paz but obviously mongering sux there.

Rio, I am kinda scared of it. Dominican Republic, I have an impression of it being a trashy touristy place. Could be totally wrong though. I'll probably end up just picking up the cheapest ticket when the time comes.[/QUOTE]I get all the arguments above. But really if I want beautiful girls with no inhibitions and great GFE take the extra plane ride to São Paulo. It is so worth it. I've been a ton of places (including Thailand and the infamous German FKKs) but nothing compares to the Brasileiras in SP. Of course I love the high end vibe of a Scandallo but plenty of fun to be found at Casarao— or the Clinicas if you are a daytime kind of guy. But make the trip. It's worth it.

So as the elevator doors close and we go back to the club from our 2 hour hotel date, she leans in to give me a deep kiss and I slide my hand down her pants, under her thonge until my middle finger is resting against her asshole. As I press my finger into her up to the first knuckle she breaks the kiss and looks right in my eyes and says, "quando voce quiver" . Whenever you want. This 23 year old ringer for the porn star Keisha gray. This is why I came to Brazil.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2260984]Forgot to attach photo.[/QUOTE]Did you say you've been there ten days you lucky dog? Seems we are missing some trip reports. 😀 Seriously, do tell. Let's hear some more of your adventures, venues, and thoughts.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261150]So as the elevator doors close and we go back to the club from our 2 hour hotel date, she leans in to give me a deep kiss and I slide my hand down her pants, under her thonge until my middle finger is resting against her asshole. As I press my finger into her up to the first knuckle she breaks the kiss and looks right in my eyes and says, "quando voce quiver" . Whenever you want. This 23 year old ringer for the porn star Keisha gray. This is why I came to Brazil.[/QUOTE]Haha you must have read my mind — you were literally posting this as I begged for posts. I too am so in love with Brasileiras. They are a breed apart. My Scandalo girl (who turned out to be a semi pro dancer) spent 2 hrs with me just flirting before we got a room. We both lost track of time. That is how they are — just in the moment. And I could do the nightclub scene like Scandalo every night. No problem!

I tend to post after my trips rather than during. I have to say that I've never seen anything like Scandallo. After tonight, I'the be happy to spend weeks plowing through the dozens on hot targets there alone.

I'm setting up a festa for Saturday so I'll let you know how that goes. In short, I'the agree that SP is the best mongering locale I've been to yet.

More about boites vs clinicas to come?

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261161]I tend to post after my trips rather than during. I have to say that I've never seen anything like Scandallo. After tonight, I'the be happy to spend weeks plowing through the dozens on hot targets there alone.

I'm setting up a festa for Saturday so I'll let you know how that goes. In short, I'the agree that SP is the best mongering locale I've been to yet.

More about boites vs clinicas to come?[/QUOTE]Thanks HB, it was very nice to be your wingman to Scandallo, and I'm very happy that you enjoyed it so much.

Only as an additional information, there is a happy hour for 150 reais entrance fee, totally consumable, they serve a very good dinner. I think it goes till 7 pm.

Could you please check this information?

Tell us more about your Saturday's party!

Thanks,

ABG.

Yesterday afternoon I went to Tangara, 30 garotas on the parade, difficult choice, but chose ISIS, a simpática mineira from Belo Horizonte, she's on short time at Vaní's (she will return on Dez 20th. To BH.

Very nice red-haired lady, very GFE, hot passionate DFK.

Her BBBJ is absolutely fantastic, she's a real deep throat expert, I think she took like half an hour sucking my dick. I did come in her mouth the first time!

Horse riding, she on top is fantastic, she got a really tight pussy.

Second turn with Talia, a nice black hair caucasian, fantastic BBBJTC, came in her mouth twice.

Very goos DFK at the beginning and at the end.

Price of the damage: 300 reais, 150 for each girl.

Susan, the manager, speaks some English, as also do Takuma.

ABG.

On my first visit to scandallo I went with ABG who was showing me around. As anyone who's RTFF knows, ABG is not really a boite kinda guy. He's kinda tolerant of us rich boite guys and like any good local monger, he's always got a eye out for the best deal. As we sat there drinking our mineral water and watching the parade, he says "look, the garottas here aren't any hotter here than at Tangara, and there I could have 5 girls for the price you pay for one hour here" . Sure I say, but better outfits and dresses, better shoes, better hair, better plastic surgery. Yah, better hair and dresses for sure he says. And this is part of the appeal of the place. Knowing these girls have spent money on themselves to make themselves desireable makes the experiencd more intense.

I end up in room with Ana Carolina whose butt, legs and pussy are as smooth and soft as silk. I stand her up against the wall and bury my face in all that wet goodness and we are off. Lordy. 800 Reid but full on PSE with anal.

I go back again the next night. This time solo. I like going in the mid afternoon and sitting outside on the patio. It's nice to see the girls in natural light and you can get a vibe from the girls as they interact with each other or customers. It's a way to spot the sharks too. One of the things that frustrates me about the clinicas is that you have a 10 second interaction during the lineup and it's hard for me to choose so quickly. I always feel like I make the wrong choice. In the boites you can see how a girl moves, smiles etc. You can wait to zero in on your target.

At the next table over is a cute, juicy morsel of tawny, baby fat, butterscotch goodness. Cute round face. Not a hardbody but well proportioned. Something about the way she lets the guy she's sitting with feel up her tits attracts me. She knows she's here for pleasure and is perfectly ok with it. Casual and natural. Think Keisha Grey.

At the next table from her there is a tall Amazon Branco in tight black pants that show every crack in her firm, ample ass and a halter which shows her man made rack to perfection. Gorgeous slightly Eurasian face. I'm now fantasizing how my dick will feel as I slide it into the back of their throats. I think I should make an approach but I'm shy. My Porto sucks and I've only been here 10 minutes and I'm going for the first girls I see? Rookie mistake. So I end up with Sara a lean model with natural tits and ass but beautiful and sympathetic. Off to room. I have to use google translate but am getting better with communicating what I want. I'm a finicky guy. Damage 800 reals for Sara, 200 for the room and 200 to the club for drinks and food. Not cheap by SP standards but a great night out by mine. I still have my baby fat princess in my mind.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261375]One of the things that frustrates me about the clinicas is that you have a 10 second interaction during the lineup and it's hard for me to choose so quickly. I always feel like I make the wrong choice. [/QUOTE]Ah but it's also easy to just try someone else if you don't like your first pick. Or second pick.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261360]On my first visit to scandallo I went with ABG who was showing me around. As anyone who's RTFF knows, ABG is not really a boite kinda guy. He's kinda tolerant of us rich boite guys and like any good local monger, he's always got a eye out for the best deal. As we sat there drinking our mineral water and watching the parade, he says "look, the garottas here aren't any hotter here than at Tangara, and there I could have 5 girls for the price you pay for one hour here" . Sure I say, but better outfits and dresses, better shoes, better hair, better plastic surgery. Yah, better hair and dresses for sure he says. And this is part of the appeal of the place. Knowing these girls have spent money on themselves to make themselves desireable makes the experiencd more intense.

I end up in room with Ana Carolina whose butt, legs and pussy are as smooth and soft as silk. I stand her up against the wall and bury my face in all that wet goodness and we are off. Lordy. 800 Reid but full on PSE with anal.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the price range is really vast be / t the clinicas and the boates, with the free lancers in between. For my taste, in home with free lancer is the best of both worlds but that is not always possible for the short term visitor. I. e. Meet.

Its a matter of personal taste, but the one think I dislike about the boates is the near mandatory plastic surgery look. Its a pet peeve of mine that waaaaaaaayy too many Brasileiras get tit jobs that are unnecessary, and even if the surgery is well done, its usually makes them look worse than before. And unfortunately, to compete in the boate many girls "think" they need to get their tits done. Its not just the boates, of course, girls in all walks of life in Brasil are "saving" to have surgery. It drive me nuts, because most of them have wonderful tits already. Then they get big inflatables and they look like blow up dolls. I guess there are guys that prefer the "porn star" look but I hate it. I have yet to meet a GP who looked better after her tit surgery than before, not one.

Not raining on your parade amigo. I recommend Scandalo (or Bomboa) to visitors who want to experience something pretty unique and that is the buzz of being surrounded by over 100 beauties and being able to choose. As you say its a rich man's luxury, but if you have the wallet why not enjoy it.

Harvest Boi, I'm a wee bit confused. Is that the second girl that looked like Keisha Grey you mentioned? Is that a coincidence or do you feel that a few Brasileiras have that kind of Keisha Grey look? Just curious.

Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from RTFF ABG can be very adamant about the clinicas.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261360]I end up in room with Ana Carolina whose butt, legs and pussy are as smooth and soft as silk. I stand her up against the wall and bury my face in all that wet goodness and we are off. Lordy. 800 Reid but full on PSE with anal.[/QUOTE]Hey HB,

What did you use to snap those photos? A smart phone? When I went to Scandalo I had a camera that was confiscated (of course returned upon departure). Also wonder how many girls you talked to about pictures and how agreeable they were in general. I got a camera into all the other boites easy, but not Scandalo.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2261428]Harvest Boi, I'm a wee bit confused. Is that the second girl that looked like Keisha Grey you mentioned? Is that a coincidence or do you feel that a few Brasileiras have that kind of Keisha Grey look? Just curious.

Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from the past ABG can be very defensive about the clinicas.[/QUOTE]Not HB, but cannot resist this topic. I think one has to decide whether one is talking about "averages" or "standouts". And I am talking just looks now, not service, not attitude, not price, just straight up looks. It is probably safe to say that Scandalo has a much higher "average" than most of the clinicas discussed here. There are some real plain women at the clinicas that bring their average down. But if one is talking about "standouts", that is to say the girls that standout in your eyes, it is very possible to find many standouts in the boate, but also possible to find a few standouts in the better clinica. The other day I sessioned with a TG girl, one hour for 150 reais. She had a marvelous sensual dress that draped her body. In the room, she told me that she works at Scandalo and it clicked right then that I had seen her IN THAT DRESS in Scandalo the last time I was there months ago. I remember being attracted to her at Scandalo but was not going to pay Scandalo price that day. So here we were a few months later, and I get her at TG for 150 and to make it better, my frequent visitor card gave me 50% off so I paid 75 reais for a girl that would cost 800 at scandalo (600 for her and 200 for room). Same girl, different location. 10 x price differential. My one complaint about her, she had overly large fake boobs. Thanks Scandalo LOL.

The last time I went to Scandalo I was not impressed even with its average. The average was not as high as I had seen in prior visits. Unfortunately Brazilians are gaining a lot of weight and the women in their mid 20's and beyond in particular are "on average" a few kilos over their fighting weight. So again, one can find great lookers at the clinicas because there are often first time young chicks at the clinicas that do not know about or do not want to work at the boates. Let me put it this way, I only visit the boates with visitors who want to a wingman, and I have no problem finding women just as good or better than the boate ladies, either at the clinicas, on tinder, or free.

Its just that the boate has the vibe and the "convenience" factor that is advantageous to visitors. In terms of sheer numbers, statistically, you are almost guaranteed to find a few standouts amongst 100 women.

Maybe this is a rambling response, I am typing fast as I am getting ready to host a multi hour in home with a super hottie 21 year old that I found in a low end prive, who is now a regular in home. She would have caught my eye anywhere.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2261428]Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from the past ABG can be very defensive about the clinicas.[/QUOTE]And unapologetic. For me, it's no contest. The girls at places like Scandalo and Bomboa are so much hotter than what you will find at the typical clinica. I found Cafe Photo and Casarao to be at the next level, although I think I may have hit Casarao on a bad night. ABG (and others) just doesn't want to spend the money.

Reading the trip reports from the "rich" who "lives the living life of a wealthy man" made me remember a forum member, Genghis Khan.
Most highrollers on the forum just seems to be amateurs overpaying to get p*ssy. Genghis Khan was different, you could realize that this guy really had class. If I'm not mistaken he got terminally ill with cancer and passed away, RIP.
Thanks god we have ABG in the São Paulo forum.

The KG girl was at the next table over on Wednesday. She goes by the name Carine. Just a visual reference. I missed her on Wednesday but hooked her last night so it's the same girl. The other girl was the Eurasian babe. Carine last night told me the Eurasian babe went home for awhile. I'll get around to writing a report about last night. The moral of the story is that sometimes your first option IS the best option.

The clinica girls are pretty hot. Much much hotter than you'the find in a massage place in the US. I see ABG's point that the scandallo girls aren't 5-7 times hotter. You can bang some awful sexy girls for 150 reals, which is about 40 bucks. Good service too. One thing that irritates me at both spots is the requirement to take a shower. Kills the mood for me. Luckily with Carine we by passed it for the first 20 minutes or so. Because the girls at the clinicas make so much less, there is a tendency for them to want to get you in and out quickly. As I said, I often don't want to pick a girl immediately from the lineup and with my limited Porto it's hard to get a vibe with a girl. I'm getting better slowly with the help of translate and as I lose my timidity from first time in a foreign country where I don't speak the lingo. If I had better language skills I'm sure I'd find plenty of clinica Garrotas to plow. In SP, the commercial sex options are vast, too much for a first time visitor to do it justice.

I am setting up a festa tomorrow with Carine and 2 friends. Wish me luck. As you mentioned these encounters can be disappointing but I had to have the Brazilian love motel experience. 3 hours around a pool with 3 hot 20 year olds to bang. Worse ways to spend a Saturday afternoon.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2261428]Harvest Boi, I'm a wee bit confused. Is that the second girl that looked like Keisha Grey you mentioned? Is that a coincidence or do you feel that a few Brasileiras have that kind of Keisha Grey look? Just curious.

Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from the past ABG can be very defensive about the clinicas.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that. ABG has kept this forum going. I remember GK's posts back in the day. Sorry to hear he's gone.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2261450]Reading the trip reports from the "rich" who "lives the living life of a wealthy man" made me remember a forum member, Genghis Khan.
Most highrollers on the forum just seems to be amateurs overpaying to get p*ssy. Genghis Khan was different, you could realize that this guy really had class. If I'm not mistaken he got terminally ill with cancer and passed away, RIP.
Thanks god we have ABG in the So Paulo forum.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261451]Good service too. One thing that irritates me at both spots is the requirement to take a shower. Kills the mood for me.[/QUOTE]Very amazing. :)
Have fun.

Now my garrote for my festa asks for a deposit. LOL. Does anyone have a reference for a nice love motel near Itami Bibi? I'm not paying a deposit obviously (not sure I can as a foreigner anyways) but maybe if I spring for the hotel in advance.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2261404]Yeah, the price range is really vast be / t the clinicas and the boates, with the free lancers in between. For my taste, in home with free lancer is the best of both worlds but that is not always possible for the short term visitor. I. e. Meet.

Its a matter of personal taste, but the one think I dislike about the boates is the near mandatory plastic surgery look. Its a pet peeve of mine that waaaaaaaayy too many Brasileiras get tit jobs that are unnecessary, and even if the surgery is well done, its usually makes them look worse than before. And unfortunately, to compete in the boate many girls "think" they need to get their tits done. Its not just the boates, of course, girls in all walks of life in Brasil are "saving" to have surgery. It drive me nuts, because most of them have wonderful tits already. Then they get big inflatables and they look like blow up dolls. I guess there are guys that prefer the "porn star" look but I hate it. I have yet to meet a GP who looked better after her tit surgery than before, not one.

Not raining on your parade amigo. I recommend Scandalo (or Bomboa) to visitors who want to experience something pretty unique and that is the buzz of being surrounded by over 100 beauties and being able to choose. As you say its a rich man's luxury, but if you have the wallet why not enjoy it.[/QUOTE]Yeah it seems a thing with the Brasileiras that they are never quite good enough. My girl Thifany the Unicorn who I've since downgraded to a 9.5 LOL told me in London she wants to get her nose narrowed (completely unnecessary but OK) and her tits done. Also completely unnecessary. A nice firm B cup. Never wore a bra the entire week in London. I will seriously ball my eyes out if she takes a knife to that chest. Hopefully she will see the light.

She’s a fucking 9.5 already!!!

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261451]One thing that irritates me at both spots is the requirement to take a shower. Kills the mood for me.[/QUOTE]So American. You belong to VM in RJ, there no one asks to do it for several reasons LOL. Do not forget to negotiate 10 reais discount from 60 reais and then to give tip more than the discount. Spend there the whole day and your mood will not be killed. Beside, most of the RJ forum North American members live there, reminds them their trailers at back home. Meanwhile, look the VM girls photos in RJ forum and start jerk off. LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2261546]Yeah it seems a thing with the Brasileiras that they are never quite good enough. My girl Thifany the Unicorn who I've since downgraded to a 9.5 LOL told me in London she wants to get her nose narrowed (completely unnecessary but OK) and her tits done. Also completely unnecessary. A nice firm B cup. Never wore a bra the entire week in London. I will seriously ball my eyes out if she takes a knife to that chest. Hopefully she will see the light.

Shes a fucking 9.5 already!!![/QUOTE]I'm often amazed at how many people do not understand the principles of aesthetics and beauty. The human body co-evolved with human desire so each reflects the other. In most cases, there are exceptions of course, the natural measurements of a body in its physically fit condition are as good as they can be for that body type and skeleton, as nature intended. When women change those proportions through surgery they usually degrade the overall aesthetic. They hyper focus on the particular attribute like nose or breast or ass without understanding its relationship to the whole body. You take a false magea and inflate her tits and its an abomination. She goes from being a violin to being a figure 8.

Instead of doing surgery these women should be exercising, without steroids, as their fit form will be the best possible form.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2261440]And unapologetic. For me, it's no contest. The girls at places like Scandalo and Bomboa are so much hotter than what you will find at the typical clinica. I found Cafe Photo and Casarao to be at the next level, although I think I may have hit Casarao on a bad night. ABG (and others) just doesn't want to spend the money.[/QUOTE]This is credible. The vast majority of reports of punters who visited places like Scandalo and Bomboa have stated that the girls in those locations are hotter than those in the clinicas.

I used my phone. Every girl I sessioned with was open to some kind of photo. I take them to remember the girls. There are so many you can forget.

Most girls didn't want their face, some insisted on clothes. I too have a small camera which I'm taking to my festa, where photos were part of the Pre negosh. Places like scandallo probably would prefer to confiscate your phone too, but both clients and garottas would rebel

[QUOTE=TheCane;2261429]Hey HB,

What did you use to snap those photos? A smart phone? When I went to Scandalo I had a camera that was confiscated (of course returned upon departure). Also wonder how many girls you talked to about pictures and how agreeable they were in general. I got a camera into all the other boites easy, but not Scandalo.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2261683]This is credible. The vast majority of reports of punters who visited places like Scandalo and Bomboa have stated that the girls in those locations are hotter than those in the clinicas.[/QUOTE]That is an oversimplification. I would put it this way. The top girls at the clinicas would fit in at the boates just fine, in fact I can personally attest to knowing many that work both joints.

The difference is that the "average" at the boates is equal to the "top" at the clinica.

This only applies to the luxury boates, there are pleny of trashy boates which are not discuses here.

I concur with just about everything Rovnik says here. I'dput the median of girls looks at scandallo at 8 and the clinicas I went to the median is 7. Still means that you can find 9's at a place like Tangara. I too have noticed that lots of girls in the clubs are on the beefy side but they know how to wear it well. And if you are a long time visitor or resident in Brazil I'm sure there are amazing hot girls for home duty at the prices he notes. When I come back I'll Be looking to set something like that up. My preferred mode of mongering is to hang for multiple hours with ATFs at home but they cost me 300 bucks an hour in sex prison. That’s the discounted ‘regular’ rate too. They are swimsuit model quality however but still. I texted one of my regulars and told her that I’d outsourced her pussy to Brazil!

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2261437]Not HB, but cannot resist this topic. I think one has to decide whether one is talking about "averages" or "standouts". And I am talking just looks now, not service, not attitude, not price, just straight up looks. It is probably safe to say that Scandalo has a much higher "average" than most of the clinicas discussed here. There are some real plain women at the clinicas that bring their average down. But if one is talking about "standouts", that is to say the girls that standout in your eyes, it is very possible to find many standouts in the boate, but also possible to find a few standouts in the better clinica. The other day I sessioned with a TG girl, one hour for 150 reais. She had a marvelous sensual dress that draped her body. In the room, she told me that she works at Scandalo and it clicked right then that I had seen her IN THAT DRESS in Scandalo the last time I was there months ago. I remember being attracted to her at Scandalo but was not going to pay Scandalo price that day. So here we were a few months later, and I get her at TG for 150 and to make it better, my frequent visitor card gave me 50% off so I paid 75 reais for a girl that would cost 800 at scandalo (600 for her and 200 for room). Same girl, different location. 10 x price differential. My one complaint about her, she had overly large fake boobs. Thanks Scandalo LOL.

The last time I went to Scandalo I was not impressed even with its average. The average was not as high as I had seen in prior visits. Unfortunately Brazilians are gaining a lot of weight and the women in their mid 20's and beyond in particular are "on average" a few kilos over their fighting weight. So again, one can find great lookers at the clinicas because there are often first time young chicks at the clinicas that do not know about or do not want to work at the boates. Let me put it this way, I only visit the boates with visitors who want to a wingman, and I have no problem finding women just as good or better than the boate ladies, either at the clinicas, on tinder, or free.

Its just that the boate has the vibe and the "convenience" factor that is advantageous to visitors. In terms of sheer numbers, statistically, you are almost guaranteed to find a few standouts amongst 100 women.

Maybe this is a rambling response, I am typing fast as I am getting ready to host a multi hour in home with a super hottie 21 year old that I found in a low end prive, who is now a regular in home. She would have caught my eye anywhere.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261696]I concur with just about everything Rovnik says here. I'dput the median of girls looks at scandallo at 8 and the clinicas I went to the median is 7. Still means that you can find 9's at a place like Tangara. I too have noticed that lots of girls in the clubs are on the beefy side but they know how to wear it well. And if you are a long time visitor or resident in Brazil I'm sure there are amazing hot girls for home duty at the prices he notes. When I come back I'll Be looking to set something like that up. My preferred mode of mongering is to hang for multiple hours with ATFs at home but they cost me 300 bucks an hour in sex prison. Thats the discounted regular rate too. They are swimsuit model quality however but still. I texted one of my regulars and told her that Id outsourced her pussy to Brazil!.[/QUOTE]Agree. Some guys here make it sound like there are 2 mutually exclusive groups of garotas, the clinica garotas and the boate garotas. A casual reader might think that the clinica garotas are not pretty enough to work in the boates and that somehow the boate is the major league and the clinica the minor league. Nothing could be further from the truth. Its a ven diagram with a lot of overlap, and a lot of movement.

I return to my major point, its an apples and oranges discussion vis boates and clinicas, large space vs small space, high price vs low price, large selection vs small selection, night vs day, socialize vs line up, take out option vs in house only. Lots of differences, and looks are just one.

Put it this way, if you want to fuck a lot, go to one or several clinicas and do an hour with several different girls, or double up, triple up with one hottie. If you want to flirt a lot, go to the boate. So its fuck vs flirt & fuck. Both are fun, both are accessible, you can even do both in the same day.

My first two nights were good, not great, I'the rate the overall experience a solid 8 but was looking to upgrade. I hang out some time in the room with the big screen TV, between the nightclub and the back patio. The waiters don't seem to pester you for drinks and as I'm single, foreign and old sometime I feel out of place a little as there are some younger dudes in gangs. That spot is also a good spot to watch girls as they roll through looking for new meat to fuck, you can see them in natural light if it's daytime.

In a cluster of guys on the back patio, there were several girls sitting with them. One of the girls is my butterscotch, butter butt, baby fat Keisha Grey look alike from the night before who I saw yesterday but didn't approach because I saw her too early. I watch her with this group and she has the same easy vibe as before. Later, in the restaurant I'm feeling generous and am chatting up this tall lingerie model quality morena with firm spectacular DD boobs. It occurs to me that this is a job for the girls, they spend a lot on dresses, makeup etc then spend 8 hour trolling for dick. The job entails a lot of rejection so they develop a kind of hardness. So I offer to buy Morena Victoria Secrets a bit of food. As soon as the food arrives, baby fat passes by and I drop MVS in mid sentence. Baby fat please sit down, drink etc. By now if have a number of set convos on google translate to go over my service requirements. I just love the look on her cute, fat, round schoolgirl face, illuminated by the cell phone as she reads my requests. As she reads " I love to put my dick deep down your throat" her face changes from a look of concentration as she reads to a look joy as she breaks out in a grin and gives a thumbs up. Priceless.

Off to the room. It's a mystery why some girls do it for you but within 15 minutes I know this why I came to Brazil. 2 hours of wet face fucking dep throats kissing fingering and fucking mayhem follow, ending in the little vignette in the elevator which I related earlier. She's set up something at a hotel with 2 friends in 90 minutes so stay tuned.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261714]My first two nights were good, not great, I'the rate the overall experience a solid 8 but was looking to upgrade. I hang out some time in the room with the big screen TV, between the nightclub and the back patio. The waiters don't seem to pester you for drinks and as I'm single, foreign and old sometime I feel out of place a little as there are some younger dudes in gangs. That spot is also a good spot to watch girls as they roll through looking for new meat to fuck, you can see them in natural light if it's daytime..[/QUOTE]Good observations. Yes, the "hardness" or "pro" attitude is a consequence of the job. I prefer Casarao, not just for the lower price, but also because Casarao is more casual, and girls can work whenever they want. Boates like Bomboa and Scandalo force the girls to work 5 days per week or else they pay a fine for days missed. This means that even if a girl is tired and not in the mood she may be there just to avoid a fine. Also, I think you did the right thing by relying on google translate rather than looking for an English speaking garota. At places like Scandalo, it is possible to find English speaking garotas BUT they are often the most "pro", often Brasileiras that have worked in Europe and are now back in Brasil. I usually steer clear of them if I find out they worked in Europe because many of them pick up bad habits working overseas. They get jaded, spoiled and manipulative. Obviously, this is a generalization that does not apply to all cases, but my worst experiences in Brasil came with such girls, so now I just avoid them.

The thumbs up smile reaction to your direct text is classic. I love being direct with my regular girls and they love to be direct back with me. Sex in Brazil is natural and fun.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2261710]I return to my major point, its an apples and oranges discussion vis boates and clinicas, large space vs small space, high price vs low price, large selection vs small selection, night vs day, socialize vs line up, take out option vs in house only. Lots of differences, and looks are just one.

Put it this way, if you want to fuck a lot, go to one or several clinicas and do an hour with several different girls, or double up, triple up with one hottie. If you want to flirt a lot, go to the boate. So its fuck vs flirt & fuck. Both are fun, both are accessible, you can even do both in the same day.[/QUOTE]Great points, and that's exactly what I do too, regardless of where I monger. Meaning that I play in both the "day" and "night" leagues to the extent that they exist. And I understand that they typically are fundamentally different. My mean optics ratings are close to HB's. I have the very best boites at 8 and the clinicas at 6.5, so a little more distance between the two for me. But, I must qualify that by saying that my sample size is smaller than his and yours, and especially ABG's.

I've heard that SP is the center of mongering in South America. And I've been to Colombia several times and have really enjoyed Medellin. But I'm now on a trip in Medellin and I think I've somewhat exhausted the scene. I'm a huge fan of La Isla (for those who've been) and have heard that SP has comparable strip clubs to that world-class quality. But have also heard great things about the clinicas. I'm RTFF but would be very appreciative of the veteran summary. Particularly as to those who can speak about the difference between Colombia & Brazil (specifically Medellin vs. Sao Paulo). I've also heard that with the current political / social climate that it's a bit more dangerous to visit than usual. But that doesn't concern me. Should it?

My favorite mongering destinations thus far have been Medellin (La Isla, Fase II, Energy, New Life, Loutron) and Germany (the FKK scene to me is the best I've experienced to date) - I've heard that if you like FKK you must visit the Termas. But I've heard most of the Termas are in Rio, is that true?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261691]I used my phone. Every girl I sessioned with was open to some kind of photo. I take them to remember the girls. There are so many you can forget.

Most girls didn't want their face, some insisted on clothes. I too have a small camera which I'm taking to my festa, where photos were part of the Pre negosh. Places like scandallo probably would prefer to confiscate your phone too, but both clients and garottas would rebel

.[/QUOTE]Other than my tenth bonus girl, where I forgot to get her number, all my girls gave me their number and we connected on WhatsApp. Every single one sent me a full face pic when I asked (said I'the keep it private which I have). So make sure to get numbers for the girls you like. This is also how Thifany and I light-chatted before I floated the London travel idea. So that paid off in spades.

Slightly spooky part is once you have their phone number, Instagram will somehow suggest you follow them. Found out that way that my Scandalo girl got engaged two weeks after our little soirée! And one of them is just so beautiful I love to follow her beach and nightclub adventures. I let her know and she doesn't seem to mind.

Thanks for the good advice I got from HarvestBoi, ABG, and Rovnak. I only had a limited time (at least I thought) so yesterday I initially headed out to Elas Massagems which was recommended by Rovnak because it is pretty close to GRU. Unfortunately with the traffic it wasn't close enough. It was clear we weren't going to make before 8 PM closing time so I turned back to the airport. I was wondering how rigid they stick to those hours, thought about forging ahead in hopes they'the still be open, but I really didn't want to screw up my flight and I went back to GRU to catch my flight unfulfilled.

Then I spent a night in airline hell. After pulling out of the gate around 11:30 pm and several returns and restarts, they cancelled my flight completely at about 4 AM. The upside was it gave me today to play in Sao Paolo.

Today being Sunday Elas Massagens wasn't open and I had plenty of time so I headed to Tangara. Really nice lineup in that place. I thought it interesting how the girls kind of walk in and give some of the guys a peck on the cheek. Others they skip right over. It was like they were doing a little selecting themselves.

My first choice was occupied by the time I decided so I went with Nicola for an hour. Very pretty young brunette. She was all around great. She pretty much let me do whatever I wanted for the whole hour and worked her ass off (literally) while I took forever to finish. Imbibed a little too much ahead of the visit, I really got to watch that. We did about every act and position possible in that hour. No anal, I didn't try. I played a little with the back door but she didn't seem to into it so I decided not to push it.

I definitely recommend Tangara. I would still like to try Elas Massagems and if I still can't get a flight out tonight I will check them out tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2261814]

Slightly spooky part is once you have their phone number, Instagram will somehow suggest you follow them. Found out that way that my Scandalo girl got engaged two weeks after our little soire! And one of them is just so beautiful I love to follow her beach and nightclub adventures. I let her know and she doesn't seem to mind.[/QUOTE]Welll IG is how NBA ballers and other rich / famous guys get laid. Maybe it's time we get access to that level too.

But keeping your mongering identity separate from your 'real' one is going to be increasingly unrealistic. For us and for them. Rather than separate IDs I think we just need a cyber 'zone of privacy' or we have to tell people if you don't want to know, then don't look.

But I this poses a question for those old Brazil hands: would a top line GDP who gets married expect her new husband to take her out of the business, would some working be tolerated (regulars etc.) or would the guy know the score from the jump?

Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.

When I left there were 29 girls in the house.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2261866]Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.

When I left there were 29 girls in the house.

ABG.[/QUOTE]If 9 new girls arrived today and you claim that 4 of them have a best performance beside the look, did you tried all 9 of them today to claim so?

I saw isis at the lineup but did not go with her. She is 9/9. 5. Beautiful girl and ABG says she is good service. She is as good looking as many at scandallo and for a fraction of the cost. Good looking girls everywhere here. For every taste.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2261866]Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.

When I left there were 29 girls in the house.

ABG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TreadingWater;2261824]Today being Sunday Elas Massagens wasn't open and I had plenty of time so I headed to Tangara. Really nice lineup in that place. I thought it interesting how the girls kind of walk in and give some of the guys a peck on the cheek. Others they skip right over. It was like they were doing a little selecting themselves..[/QUOTE]Haha, you are confused. Today is Saturday not Sunday.

Re the peck on the cheek at TG. I believe that is just a consequence of the "staggered" presentation flow. Patrons sit in the salon and the girls who are free come in and peck everyone they have not already pecked that day. As girls free up they will come out and do the same. The result is a semi chaotic looking presentation that you observed. It appears chaotic but there is an underlying order. Sort of like all Brazil.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261892]I saw isis at the lineup but did not go with her. She is 9/9. 5. Beautiful girl and ABG says she is good service. She is as good looking as many at scandallo and for a fraction of the cost. Good looking girls everywhere here. For every taste.[/QUOTE]As has been said, you can find a Scandalo quality girl at Tangara or Casarao. My Casarao girl Carolina — who is clearly Scandalo quality — said she prefers going a couple times at Casarao rather than whale fishing at Scandalo. So it's not about the girls per se (though you have to troll less at some venues vs others).

You are buying the experience. Tangara is a bit rundown and it's pick and go. I prefer the king of the world experience and the flirting and simulated chase. Right now I am in a part of the world where it's the peck on the cheek lineup and pick one and I really miss the Scandalo (Fazendinha) night club experience. Not that I won't pick one and go have a great time. LOL.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2261870]If 9 new girls arrived today and you claim that 4 of them have a best performance beside the look, did you tried all 9 of them today to claim so?[/QUOTE]I only went with ISIS.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2261710]Agree. Some guys here make it sound like there are 2 mutually exclusive groups of garotas, the clinica garotas and the boate garotas. A casual reader might think that the clinica garotas are not pretty enough to work in the boates and that somehow the boate is the major league and the clinica the minor league. Nothing could be further from the truth. Its a ven diagram with a lot of overlap, and a lot of movement.

I return to my major point, its an apples and oranges discussion vis boates and clinicas, large space vs small space, high price vs low price, large selection vs small selection, night vs day, socialize vs line up, take out option vs in house only. Lots of differences, and looks are just one.

Put it this way, if you want to fuck a lot, go to one or several clinicas and do an hour with several different girls, or double up, triple up with one hottie. If you want to flirt a lot, go to the boate. So its fuck vs flirt & fuck. Both are fun, both are accessible, you can even do both in the same day.[/QUOTE]There ya go!

This guy Rovnak knows what he's talking about!

I know girls who work them all; high end (Cafe Photo), mid range (Casarao), and even the low end (the buildings).

The flirt part is why I like the boites. As I am getting bury my face one last time into the buttery goodness of my babyfat tawny favorite, I reflect that a lot of guys would look at her and go meh. It took me 48 hours to zero in on her as the one but I've been walking around in a erotic haze since. If I had run into her at a clinica I'the not given her a second glance.

I have pussy brain. Yesterday after leaving the festa from Lush Motel, where I spent 4 hours buried in some of the best bunda in Brazil. The garotas offer to give me a ride to my apartment. I'm so fogged out from the sex that I leave my passport card in the back seat! Dangerous nonsense! But no worries, she is very cool, zaps me this morning and now we are having a repeat (2 hours) before I catch my plane.

As a monger, I am that is. Things have to be juuuuuust riiiight for me to really get off. I have got some kinky tastes. I'm sitting in Bomboa, and I'm there to just check the scene, maybe even not take a garotta as I'm a bit fucked out. But this mulatta with a gorgeous rosto is hovering there and I invite her to sit with me while I order a steak and a glass of Malbec. Pretty soon I have my fingers playing with her pussy while I'm eating. The aroma adds a priceless, wonderful savor to the meat.

Off to the room. The body has some baby damage and her tits aren't as firm as they looked like in the dress but she cheerfully indulges my tastes for an hour. 600 reals. Goes my name of Kimberly Brazil.

I liked Bomboa and would go again. Smaller than scandallo. The chicas when I showed up at 8 was a bit thin but after my session the lineup looked like it was filling out nicely. I also liked the vibe of a live band and it seemed like it could be a nice place to just hang. I'd be going every week if it were nearer home.

I've only made one trip to Medellin and one to SP but here's my input.

Strip Clubs with putas, like Face Dos don't really exist here. At the top end clubs, the girl keeps her clothes on. Quality is same or better. Personally, I'the give the nod to SP over Medellin for 2 reasons: first the diversity of chicas and looks in Sampa is great. It's the whole rainbow. There all types, European beauties, Black honeys, asians mixed with natives. When I was in Colombia, after a few days I found myself craving something different than the standard paisa look. Second, the service levels, humor and good vibe of the chicks I've met here is unrivaled.

If you feel comfortable in Medellin I don't see why you wouldn't feel safe here. Sampa is a much bigger city (Medellin always seems like a country too big) so it's edgier, faster but I never felt in any danger.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2261758]I've heard that SP is the center of mongering in South America. And I've been to Colombia several times and have really enjoyed Medellin. But I'm now on a trip in Medellin and I think I've somewhat exhausted the scene. I'm a huge fan of La Isla (for those who've been) and have heard that SP has comparable strip clubs to that world-class quality. But have also heard great things about the clinicas. I'm RTFF but would be very appreciative of the veteran summary. Particularly as to those who can speak about the difference between Colombia & Brazil (specifically Medellin vs. Sao Paulo). I've also heard that with the current political / social climate that it's a bit more dangerous to visit than usual. But that doesn't concern me. Should it?

My favorite mongering destinations thus far have been Medellin (La Isla, Fase II, Energy, New Life, Loutron) and Germany (the FKK scene to me is the best I've experienced to date) - I've heard that if you like FKK you must visit the Termas. But I've heard most of the Termas are in Rio, is that true?

Cheers![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2262134]As a monger, I am that is. Things have to be juuuuuust riiiight for me to really get off. I have got some kinky tastes. I'm sitting in Bomboa, and I'm there to just check the scene, maybe even not take a garotta as I'm a bit fucked out. But this mulatta with a gorgeous rosto is hovering there and I invite her to sit with me while I order a steak and a glass of Malbec. Pretty soon I have my fingers playing with her pussy while I'm eating. The aroma adds a priceless, wonderful savor to the meat.

Off to the room. The body has some baby damage and her tits aren't as firm as they looked like in the dress but she cheerfully indulges my tastes for an hour. 600 reals. Goes my name of Kimberly Brazil.

I liked Bomboa and would go again. Smaller than scandallo. The chicas when I showed up at 8 was a bit thin but after my session the lineup looked like it was filling out nicely. I also liked the vibe of a live band and it seemed like it could be a nice place to just hang. I'd be going every week if it were nearer home.[/QUOTE]I agree with your assessment of Bomboa. I have written many times that atmosphere-wise Bomboa is by far my favorite boate. The only thing Scandalo has over Bomboa is MORE garotas. On every other attribute Bomboa wins in my book, its better it, it has better music, its luxurious without being gaudy. Scandalo is Brazil doing Vegas. Bomboa has a 100% Brasilian feel to it. Everything from the waiters, to the decor, to the music. It is light and airy whereas Scandalo is dark and cold. Bomboa is wood and velvet and simple lighting, while Scandalo is glass and metal and laser. I love the Bomboa vibe. And they have TVs playing football games all the time. I love how I can sit at the bar and see ALL of the ladies pass by. I do not have to wander about through the crowd as one does at Scandalo because at Scandalo its spread out and so dark you can't see anyone across the room.

Sigh. If only Bomboa had the ladies. They used to have over 100 on good nights. I do not know what their current count is on Wed and Thursday, the traditional big nights.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2262106]There ya go!

This guy Rovnak knows what he's talking about!

I know girls who work them all; high end (Cafe Photo), mid range (Casarao), and even the low end (the buildings).[/QUOTE]You guys are also forgetting the Twitter group.

There are quite a few who simply won't do the club, clinica route and rely exclusively on Twitter. You'd be surprised at how beautiful and cost effective they can be. Especially, if you are looking for a nice evening or lunch out.

As a newbie, who is planning his first trip to SP in six months, the conversation between HB and Rovnak is extremely helpful. I'm getting a deeper understanding of the monger scene. Thank you both.

(I don't see a thanks button on the forum or I would use that instead.).

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2261758]I've heard that SP is the center of mongering in South America. And I've been to Colombia several times and have really enjoyed Medellin. But I'm now on a trip in Medellin and I think I've somewhat exhausted the scene. I'm a huge fan of La Isla (for those who've been) and have heard that SP has comparable strip clubs to that world-class quality. But have also heard great things about the clinicas. I'm RTFF but would be very appreciative of the veteran summary. Particularly as to those who can speak about the difference between Colombia & Brazil (specifically Medellin vs. Sao Paulo). I've also heard that with the current political / social climate that it's a bit more dangerous to visit than usual. But that doesn't concern me. Should it?

My favorite mongering destinations thus far have been Medellin (La Isla, Fase II, Energy, New Life, Loutron) and Germany (the FKK scene to me is the best I've experienced to date) - I've heard that if you like FKK you must visit the Termas. But I've heard most of the Termas are in Rio, is that true?

Cheers![/QUOTE]I've been to Medellin 20+ times, did La Isla, Fase Dos, Energy, Centro casas, and mostly FB chicks the last few years. I've also been to Sampa early this year, Rio multiple times.

IMO, SP clubs are of higher quality. If you compare the top clubs, La Isla and Scandallo, it's a no contest. Scandallo has more and better eye candy. Plus, I think that the Brasileiras are better in bed. They seem to insist on having a good time as well. The Paisas less so, unless they know you well.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261854]But keeping your mongering identity separate from your 'real' one is going to be increasingly unrealistic. For us and for them. Rather than separate IDs I think we just need a cyber 'zone of privacy' or we have to tell people if you don't want to know, then don't look.[/QUOTE]How does that work? I won't be posting photos on IG, but can you restrict your back home contacts from seeing your other contacts on Whatsapp and IG.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2261854]But I this poses a question for those old Brazil hands: would a top line GDP who gets married expect her new husband to take her out of the business, would some working be tolerated (regulars etc.) or would the guy know the score from the jump?[/QUOTE]If a foreigner married the girl, he better get her out of Brazil ASAP. I don't know how locals keep these girls out of the game unless they have beaucoup bucks to pay them to stay home and wait for them. I'm sure some of the true hotties marry into comfort and like many women want a family.

[QUOTE=JibReach;2262162]You guys are also forgetting the Twitter group.

There are quite a few who simply won't do the club, clinica route and rely exclusively on Twitter. You'd be surprised at how beautiful and cost effective they can be. Especially, if you are looking for a nice evening or lunch out.[/QUOTE]Not forgetting really. I have made several long posts within the last few months about the risk reward of meeting up with free-lance escorts. Actually, I wrote in the current thread that my sweet spot is scheduling in home visits with "free". Free as in free-lance which is how people talk in Brasil.

Its not just twitter, there are a bunch on tinder and my go to escort site of choice [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2262187]I've been to Medellin 20+ times, did La Isla, Fase Dos, Energy, Centro casas, and mostly FB chicks the last few years. I've also been to Sampa early this year, Rio multiple times.

IMO, SP clubs are of higher quality. If you compare the top clubs, La Isla and Scandallo, it's a no contest. Scandallo has more and better eye candy. Plus, I think that the Brasileiras are better in bed. They seem to insist on having a good time as well. The Paisas less so, unless they know you well.[/QUOTE]Wow. That's very compelling. Particularly because you know the Medellin scene so well. I love the Paisas and Medellin as a city has my heart because of its uniqueness and beauty. But Brazil has been calling my name and it sounds like it's a level up from Medellin. It's hard for me to imagine that Scandallo is that much better than La Isla (as I love La Isla) - but it sounds like I need to get enlightened in Sao Paulo! LOL. Are there other spots in Sao Paulo that you would rate as highly as Scandallo? Is it a similar situation as La Isla where there are rooms on-site to take the chicas too. Or is it a select and take home type of deal? I appreciate your insight Lefeu!

Thanks HB. Curious as to why you've only made one trip to both Medellin and SP. Did you not enjoy? Interesting that the girls keep their clothes on. So is it more of a scene like LVD in Cartagena where it's a regular club? What about at the Termas? I do like the Fase Dos setup where you can actually look at the women without clothes on (or in a bikini) to really see what's underneath the clothes.

The point on diversity is great. That sounds amazing to have that kind of diversity on hand. I don't know that there's a place in the world that features the diversity you just outlined. That in itself is a reason to visit!

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2262140]I've only made one trip to Medellin and one to SP but here's my input.

Strip Clubs with putas, like Face Dos don't really exist here. At the top end clubs, the girl keeps her clothes on. Quality is same or better. Personally, I'the give the nod to SP over Medellin for 2 reasons: first the diversity of chicas and looks in Sampa is great. It's the whole rainbow. There all types, European beauties, Black honeys, asians mixed with natives. When I was in Colombia, after a few days I found myself craving something different than the standard paisa look. Second, the service levels, humor and good vibe of the chicks I've met here is unrivaled.

If you feel comfortable in Medellin I don't see why you wouldn't feel safe here. Sampa is a much bigger city (Medellin always seems like a country too big) so it's edgier, faster but I never felt in any danger.

.[/QUOTE]

Let me try and answer your question this way, since SHOW always beats TELL.

Check out this twitter feed from this sommelier of busceta:

[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en[/URL]

If you find girls like this attractive, then what I can tell you after being in Brazil for 2 weeks is this is REALLY THEM, you will find this quality at Scandallos, and I assume (but didn't have time to check out) also the "freegirls" that Rovnik mentions.

I only went to Fase Dos and Luna Lunera when I was in MDE, so can't compare but after 10 days, I got tired of the paisa look, as hot as it was initially. I haven't been to LDV, or Vive in Madrid, (next on my list). I was going to say that Scandallos seemed less 'sharky' to me but how the fuck should I know if I haven't been there. All nightclub set ups with hot girls will tend to breed sharks, but no worse than other scenes I've been in. Thermas are only in Rio & are more like FKK.

A lot depends on the style that gets you off. I like to zero in on a target over an hour or so. I like the expensive dresses, shoes, makeup etc.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2262542]Thanks HB. Curious as to why you've only made one trip to both Medellin and SP. Did you not enjoy? Interesting that the girls keep their clothes on. So is it more of a scene like LVD in Cartagena where it's a regular club? What about at the Termas? I do like the Fase Dos setup where you can actually look at the women without clothes on (or in a bikini) to really see what's underneath the clothes.

The point on diversity is great. That sounds amazing to have that kind of diversity on hand. I don't know that there's a place in the world that features the diversity you just outlined. That in itself is a reason to visit![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2262542]What about at the Termas? [/QUOTE]I second that question.

Also to other Sampa visitors, is that city safe to walk alone in? Or rather, what parts of town would be safe for that (as in, walk a few blocks to a fruit market and coffee).

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2262905]I second that question.

Also to other Sampa visitors, is that city safe to walk alone in? Or rather, what parts of town would be safe for that (as in, walk a few blocks to a fruit market and coffee).[/QUOTE]Just in case that you are unaware, the termas set-up is in Rio. Yes, they are great fun especially for first-timers. Someone here might have recent termas experiences to compare to SP.

You can certainly walk around alone in the nicer areas where visitors typically stay Jardins, Itaim Bibi and Moema. There was a discussion thread a few months back regarding best neighborhoods to stay and walking (comment #8871-8902). Linha 5 (Line) through Moema on the Metro is now connected to the Blue (1) and Green (2) lines so that is now academic.

I'm kind of cautious in Brazil. I don't walk around after sunset and uber door-to-door. It's also smart to walk where there are many people.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2263020]Just in case that you are unaware, the termas set-up is in Rio. Yes, they are great fun especially for first-timers. Someone here might have recent termas experiences to compare to SP.

You can certainly walk around alone in the nicer areas where visitors typically stay Jardins, Itaim Bibi and Moema. There was a discussion thread a few months back regarding best neighborhoods to stay and walking (comment #8871-8902). Linha 5 (Line) through Moema on the Metro is now connected to the Blue (1) and Green (2) lines so that is now academic.

I'm kind of cautious in Brazil. I don't walk around after sunset and uber door-to-door. It's also smart to walk where there are many people.[/QUOTE]OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.

As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2262537]...It's hard for me to imagine that Scandallo is that much better than La Isla (as I love La Isla) - but it sounds like I need to get enlightened in Sao Paulo! LOL...[/QUOTE]Scandallo is bigger than La Isla and it definitely has more eye candy.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2262537]...Are there other spots in Sao Paulo that you would rate as highly as Scandallo? Is it a similar situation as La Isla where there are rooms on-site to take the chicas too. Or is it a select and take home type of deal? I appreciate your insight Lefeu![/QUOTE]I checked Cafe Photo, and picked up a cutie from there, actually I ended up picking her friend as well for a 3-some. I found Cafe Photo a bit more formal and more stuffy. I much prefer Scandallo. I have yet to check out Bomboa and Casarấo.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2261866]Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.

When I left there were 29 girls in the house.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Was at Tangara last Saturday night 12/15/18. Fucked Isadora in the ass, when I pulled out my dick I had a turd on it big enough to fill the condom when if I pulled it off and tied it off. You pay your money and you take your chances. But then what do you expect for BRL $100/ hora?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2263020]It's also smart to walk where there are many people.[/QUOTE]That is key. And If you're going to walk around where there aren't a lot of people, do it during the day.

This is common sense in any big city.

Remember you aren't as much of a target as you feel you are. They see tourists every day. There are millions of middle class Paulistas. They are as concerned about their safety as you do about yours. Outside of a 1 km radius from my place I took Uber everywhere but felt totally comfortable walking around even late in the evening in Itami Bibi. One day I walked from the Hilton to clinica Brooklin for exercise but I'm not sure I'd do it at night. It's not a particularly bad area but there weren't a lot of others around.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2263100]Fucked Isadora in the ass, when I pulled out my dick I had a turd on it big enough to fill the condom when if I pulled it off and tied it off.[/QUOTE]When you drive the Hershey Highway, you have to expect some traffic once in awhile.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2263174]When you drive the Hershey Highway, you have to expect some traffic once in awhile.[/QUOTE]It's like I always say. If you're fucking lots of girls in the ass, then you're going to have to take some shit every once and a while. It's called a "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] chute" for a reason! Haha!

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2263040]OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.

As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.[/QUOTE]Paraíso station is a less sofisticsted neighborhood than Jardins and Moema. That's why the hotels are cheaper.

Buts nothing wrong with the área, you can go by metro till Ana Rosa station there you are close to Red Way, Yankin and Tangara. You can also comute to the Green Line and get down at Consolação, rua Augusta is in a walking distance. If you want to go to Moema just take the Green Line towards Vila Prudente, get down at Chácara Klabin and comute to the new line to Moema and Brooklin. Fell free to pm me if you need more information.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2263276]Paraso station is a less sofisticsted neighborhood than Jardins and Moema. That's why the hotels are cheaper.

Buts nothing wrong with the rea, you can go by metro till Ana Rosa station there you are close to Red Way, Yankin and Tangara. You can also comute to the Green Line and get down at Consolao, rua Augusta is in a walking distance. If you want to go to Moema just take the Green Line towards Vila Prudente, get down at Chcara Klabin and comute to the new line to Moema and Brooklin. Fell free to pm me if you need more information.

ABG.[/QUOTE]P.S. I forgot to mention Espao Vergueiro on Av. Vergueiro 170,very close to the so Joaquim metr, it's a bar and they have 5 rooms for the action, open from 3 pm til 3 am. The place belongs to a Chinese Brasilian, speaks perfec English, least time I was there I saw around 12 girls.

The place has a bar and drinks are sold for honest prices.

Best time to arrive around 9 pm.

The name of the owner is Willian and the manager is Raissa, hostesses are Letícia and Carla.

ABG.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2263040]OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.

As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.[/QUOTE]Paraiso is okay, but if it's not mentioned it's likely not a ideal location. Read the comment string I cited first. It was a very good (sometimes heated LOL) exchange that covers the things to think about when choosing a SP location.

While Jardim Paulista (in Jardins) might be hotel-centric with higher rates and Moema (many clinicas) has few hotel options, AirBnB makes all these neighborhoods available at reasonable rates. Uber and the subways bring these places closer so you can stay in one and easily visit another. A member recently discussed Itaim Bibi which is an area with plenty of restaurants and nightlife.

Since you jumped into a Sao Paulo thread asking about Puerto Vallarta without doing much research, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of patience for reading the forum. However, this comment string will (comments #8871-8902) answer a lot of questions.

Bars like this are another option in the SP scene. ABG took me to Chanes, which is a similar scene. I was pretty shagged out so I didn't take anyone but there were good doable prospects. An introduction to the real SP, which you can't reallysay about the boites.
[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2263282]P.S. I forgot to mention Espao Vergueiro on Av. Vergueiro 170,very close to the so Joaquim metr, it's a bar and they have 5 rooms for the action, open from 3 pm til 3 am. The place belongs to a Chinese Brasilian, speaks perfec Enlglish, least time I was there I saw around 12 girls.

The place has a bar and drinks are sold for honest prices.

Best time to arrive around 9 pm.

The name of the owner is Willian and the manager is Raissa, hostesses are Letcia and Carla.

ABG.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2263412]Since you jumped into a Sao Paulo thread asking about Puerto Vallarta without doing much research, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of patience for reading the forum. However, this comment string will (comments #8871-8902) answer a lot of questions.[/QUOTE]I do a lot of reading and I jumped into a Sao Paolo thread after first reading several Mexican and Colombian threads, as well as Panama, Ecuador, and smaller countries. What's difficult for me is to conceptualize the general "spirit" of the places without first being there (for example, it's a huge effort for me to even think about warm clothes if traveling from +20 c to +5 c, or from 0 c to +25 c. I've traveled much, I know what those temperature ranges feel like, but it's still very difficult to pack a warm coat when I don't feel like it).

So a senior member's perspective is invaluable because someone who has been to Mexico, Columbia, Buenos Aires, and Sao Paulo could very easily just "get" what I am looking for and "know" if it's here or not. Kinda like asking a tribe's elder for advice.

Yes I am reading through that comment string. Basically I've already made a decision to go to SP (thanks for all the responses! I got my tickets and visa, I'll be there around the New Year so I have that time to read through and prepare.

Also if you are going to be in SP around that time, I'd love to treat you to lunch / coffee / anything non-alcoholic.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2263416]Bars like this are another option in the SP scene. ABG took me to Chanes, which is a similar scene. I was pretty shagged out so I didn't take anyone but there were good doable prospects. An introduction to the real SP, which you can't reallysay about the boites.[/QUOTE]THE RIGHT SPELLING IS AS ABOVE, the corrector don't accept is on the text. Is pronounced Espasso.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2263412]Paraiso is okay, but if it's not mentioned it's likely not a ideal location. Read the comment string I cited first. It was a very good (sometimes heated LOL) exchange that covers the things to think about when choosing a SP location.

While Jardim Paulista (in Jardins) might be hotel-centric with higher rates and Moema (many clinicas) has few hotel options, AirBnB makes all these neighborhoods available at reasonable rates. Uber and the subways bring these places closer so you can stay in one and easily visit another. A member recently discussed Itaim Bibi which is an area with plenty of restaurants and nightlife.

Since you jumped into a Sao Paulo thread asking about Puerto Vallarta without doing much research, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of patience for reading the forum. However, this comment string will (comments #8871-8902) answer a lot of questions.[/QUOTE]A forum member recently stayed at the Moema Times Square in Moema and I am pretty sure he was fine with it. There is no shortage of Hotels in Moema, I know of at least 5 clustered around the Moema Metro station. Some visitors have complained about airplane noise. That may be a showstopper for some. But if that is not a concern then there are multiple hotel options. I personally stayed at the Mercure Times Square for over a month 10 years ago and I never noticed any plane noise at all while I was in the building.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2263040]OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.

As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.[/QUOTE]I have lived in both Rio and SP. The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna. Otherwise, the only real difference is that in the termas the men change into a bathrobe and then hang out in the "bar" in their bathrobe. I cannot recall if the girls in the termas in Rio are still allowed to wear bikinis or not. Once upon a time the girls in the SP boates could wear bikinis but then they were forced to wear evening dress. I honestly don't recall if Rio termas still wear bikinis. I stopped noticing the differences be / t the termas and the boates after about the 2nd visit. The first time its a bit of a rush to wear a robe, it feels like a throwback to ancient Rome. But its really not a big deal. The termas in Rio are much smaller than the big boates in SP, the biggest termas 4 x 4 is probably 1/5 the size of scandalo or less. Scandalo is just huge. The termas are a bit cheaper though.

In summary, I would not go to Rio just to experience the "termas". I would go to Rio for other reasons, like wanting to see Rio, the beach, or because I wanted to see more mulatas, Rio tends to have more women of color.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2263584]I have lived in both Rio and SP. The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna. Otherwise, the only real difference is that in the termas the men change into a bathrobe and then hang out in the "bar" in their bathrobe. I cannot recall if the girls in the termas in Rio are still allowed to wear bikinis or not. Once upon a time the girls in the SP boates could wear bikinis but then they were forced to wear evening dress. I honestly don't recall if Rio termas still wear bikinis. I stopped noticing the differences be / t the termas and the boates after about the 2nd visit. The first time its a bit of a rush to wear a robe, it feels like a throwback to ancient Rome. But its really not a big deal. The termas in Rio are much smaller than the big boates in SP, the biggest termas 4 x 4 is probably 1/5 the size of scandalo or less. Scandalo is just huge. The termas are a bit cheaper though.

In summary, I would not go to Rio just to experience the "termas". I would go to Rio for other reasons, like wanting to see Rio, the beach, or because I wanted to see more mulatas, Rio tends to have more women of color.[/QUOTE]Rovnak, you are absolutely right, I also lived in Rio and SP, the Termas in Rio de Janeiro lost a lot as regarded to garotas.

But I have to admite that there are more and better mulatas in Rio.

I like more the CLínicas like Tangara in SP and BEL PRAZER In Rio.

I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.

So, I will be in SP on Dec 30 and then for a week or two after that.

What's a good way to get a girl for the New Year's eve + day? Maybe a non-pro, or a date, or something similar? What are the dating sites that a fat, old, ugly foreigner could peruse?

[QUOTE=ExumaStealth;2264230]I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]Scandalo, Bomboa, Casarao for Boates. Just google it. Key it right into Uber. Not challenging.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2264342]Scandalo, Bomboa, Casarao for Boates. Just google it. Key it right into Uber. Not challenging.[/QUOTE]Steve 9696 thanks for the respond but what the fuck am I using right now *******! How would I know what to look for if I don't at least have a name, I can use Google map from there so I can have a visual of the surrounding area I great memory that way. Again thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2263584]The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna.[/QUOTE]And whatever you do, don't get a massage at a termas no matter the price. What you will likely get is an older woman wiping warm oil and then warm water on your back. It's not really a massage, but rather a warm cleansing.

[QUOTE=ExumaStealth;2264230]I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]Clinica Tangara, rua Tangara 200 is a good option. Also Vani's Way, Red Way and clinica Yankin are good options. PM me for details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2261069]Maybe I'm an idiot but I walked Sampa at night, late at night. I would notice if anybody was following me. I walked to one of the true hip-hop / rap clubs in Sampa, about 2 mile walk from Pinheiros district which was where I was staying.[/QUOTE]You flew all the way to Brasil to listen to hippie hoppy / rap music? Next you're going to tell us you've never missed a Rock and' Rio! LMBAO!

Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.

Kilt Shows.

There were a number of hot girls here. But pressure was on me as I was one of the first guys there early. After rejecting 2 dogs, I chose a short blonde. I booked a longer session with her. And I shouldn't have. Since the club is dark, I didn't see her nasty hairy legs. Also in 3 hours, she only gave me BBBJ once. And the session wasn't that great. She said she was 19. Maybe the inexperience was why she wasn't really that seductive. I wouldn't repeat. Although she did try to rip me off, and the guy at the front of the hotel part did refund me 100 reais after I showed him the google translate where we agreed on the price. It's of course no guarantee, but they do seem more fair towards men in Latin America than in the west. In the west (especially in places where it's illegal), girls will rip guys off and people will defend it, and the girls get away with it scott free.

Abbobora.

Massage parlor in Moema. It's OK. It's probably one of the better MP's there. They definitely had better looking women than any other MP I went to in Brazil. I chose a blonde, short tan girl. The action was good and she was nice. But I didn't like how she just awkwardly stared at me after the first pop. I would say we could've talked, but my Portuguese was a little weak, and she didn't speak English. Nice rooms, but the bed is low.

Cafe Photo.

Lots of hot girls here. Upscale looking place. I was unaware that the girls are not allowed to approach you here. But one approached me anyway and told me of this. Lots of white girls, and blondes. But I didn't like that they weren't allowed to approach, plus they laughed at me so I left.

Bahamas Club.

Went here on the first night. Some girls are hot, but most aren't. Staff is cool and one of the guys speaks English and will show you around. Facilities are top notch as they have a pool table, and a pool. I approached one girl for a game of pool. But she quit after I didn't buy her a drink. If she's going to be that rude, then I don't want her company anyway. At first only the dogs approached me. Not fair. It was like that for about 2 hours. Then finally a young white girl approached me for a session. 1 HR- 400 reais. She had a pretty open menu. But at one point I felt rushed during the session. One thing I hated was during mish, she used her feet to push me away! Strange. I have never had any woman use her feet to push me away during sex. I would've talked to her about it, but my Portuguese wasn't strong enough and I didn't want to use google translate for that. After it was over, we had at least 20 minutes left, but I was so mad about her pushing me away, I just left. I regret not complaining about it before I left. I don't know her name. She was a young, thin white girl with black hair.

I went back again and didn't have a session this time. There was a hot brunette who I tried to make a deal with for a longer session. I was going to take her back to my hotel. But the deal breaker was she would not negotiate at all. I thought this was Brazil? She said 1200 reais. I said 1000. No. Then I said 1100. No. Since she wouldn't budge at all, I gave it a miss. The hot voluptuous blonde was stuck up and made no effort with me. Aside from that only ugly girls wanted me.

Zeus Bar.

Very close to Bahamas club in Moema, and the mall. English speaking host greeted me at the door and showed me the place. Not too many hotties there that night. Initially had my eye on an athletic Latina, but when she saw me, she gave me no play. I ended up doing a 3 some with a mixed Brazilian / Italian and a hot, young, Japanese woman with a nice body. The Italian girl spoke English too so she translated. The Japanese lady was darker and she was way hotter than the Italian / Brazilian girl. I regret not just doing the session with the Japanese girl. Also since I got 2 girls, they charged me double the hotel rate. I mentioned it later to management, and he said to call him. But when I called, there was no answer. So of course most of the action was with the Japanese lady, and it was good with her. But the downside was these girls only offered CBJ, so I skipped it. Also the Italian girl had a bad attitude. She was combative and liked to argue. I think she might ironically hate men a little bit too. I told her I'm from the USA Where this is illegal. And she said "hey maybe I should move there, because I won't have to have sex with the guy". She then bragged about how back in Italy, guys would pay just to talk to her. That trip was a fantasy for me. I'm from somewhere where it's illegal. And it's hard to get girls. That was cold and a little mean, and inconsiderate of her to say that to me. She also said that if you don't buy a drink for a girl, that means you don't appreciate her time. That's not true at all. So hundreds of dollars for just 1 hour isn't appreciative of your time? I hated her after that. She's blonde, spent time in Italy. If you run into this girl, dismiss her or run!

Connection.

This is a cool place. The driveway to their parking lot looks like something futuristic you'd only see in the movies. Big place too. They have a restaurant, 2 stages, and a place where you can gamble and play cards. After I rejected a few unattractive ones, a hot one finally talked to me. She spoke English too. A cute black girl with a nice body. I don't usually go for black girls, but she looked real good. You can tell she goes to the gym. The room is plain looking compared to the rest of the place. The session was good. Afterwards I wanted to see another girl, but to no avail. They didn't seem to want it as much as the first one. Plus 2 of the girls had hairy legs. They charged me 2 entry fees even though they weren't supposed to. I called and the manager said he will give me free entry next time. If I go back. I was actually planning to go back, but it didn't pan out.

Caster Club.

Big club atmosphere. No one here speaks english BTW. For the most part, the girls here don't look too good. I only saw a few I was interested in. And they left before I could talk to them. So I ended up leaving without a session.

With the quality of the mongering scene decreasing drastically in the west over the past 5 years or so, Brazil is probably now one of the better places in the world to do this. Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.

[QUOTE=Kintaro18;2265676]Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.

10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.[/QUOTE]I take it you are black? So am I, but I speak Portuguese, my Portuguese is Carioca, so naturally the girls assume I'm a semi-literate Brasiliero. Until they ask where I'm from and I tell them EUA. Then I get compliments on my linguistic abilities. I'm somewhat of a cunnilinguist! My experiences have been some what the opposite in Sao Paulo. My company transferred me here almost 4 yrs ago. I've been approached by very few black girls here. I'm thinking it's a status symbol / ego booster for them to be seen with a white dude. Plus, I'm short and look young for my age. My added side note is when I'm in these places there's no doubt in my mind that I'm in the top 5% - 15% percentile as far a disposable income / liquid assets / net worth, but these people only see black and fall back on their biased upbringing. And I'm not just talking about white chicks. I sense an enormous amount of self-hate within the Afro-Brazilians. But then my preference is for those indigenous long dark haired types from the North with phat asses!

Smart move not buying the drinks, it's a scam. There are places that will charge BRL $ 30 - 100 for a Skol. In some low end establishments the girl can make almost as much off a drink as she can a program. What's up with these Nippo-Brasileiras? I had a regular in Rio from Sao Paulo a few years back who had breasts and ass like a sister. Just goes to show what happens when you substitute rice and beans for sushi. IMHO: Brasil had the widest pussy (pun intended) variety spectrum on Earth! I've been in so many different varieties and ethnic variations of pussy here I probably have the knowledge equivalent of a Doctorate in Philosophy in Genetics from MIT & for less the tuition costs!

Ten years ago USD $ 400 could get you a live-in babe in Rio for a week. Plus she'd cook, clean, fuck, suck, do your laundry, and still show you the nightlife. I concur on your assessment that Sao Paulo tops Rio. As far the girl pushing you away with her feet and the non negotiable ones, you need to factor in these women have no concept of customer service and client base building. IMHO; their objective is immediate gratification, their "marketing plan," is "smash and grab" as opposed to establishing a base of steady regulars. All they see is how much $$$ they can make off the guy they're talking to at the moment. Many travel from all over Brasil, they migrate between clubs in Rio & SP and points in between, and have no intentions of being back at that particular spot anytime soon. You've probably noticed that the turnover is very high.

I find that it's advantageous to try to determine if she's just a college girl trying to make her rent note or is she a dedicated pro. That in my opinion is the best barometer for good service. If she's a college girl I usually get the number and try to stay in touch. Dedicated pros are always around, takes minimal effort to find them.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2265851] I've been approached by very few black girls here. I'm thinking it's a status symbol / ego booster for them to be seen with a white dude. Plus, I'm short and look young for my age. My added side note is when I'm in these places there's no doubt in my mind that I'm in the top 5% - 15% percentile as far a disposable income / liquid assets / net worth, but these people only see black and fall back on their biased upbringing. And I'm not just talking about white chicks. I sense an enormous amount of self-hate within the Afro-Brazilians. [/QUOTE]So, there is one thing more important and above the money? Race? Does not matter if poor, as long as white? I have not noticed that Brazilian or any other females like poor white dudes. Do you expect that belonging to 5-15% must be an asset to get more attention for the females regardless of the color of the skin as "money talks, bullshit walks"? Self-hate because of they are just black or more with a limited opportunities that this brings along with? Ice-T told me (personally) once that US blacks use a "and" word to get over to their historical past. He did not presumed how long that will take.

Probably lesser time than 13% of the US inhabitants reduce their share of the crimes from 90% of total to 13%.

[QUOTE=Kintaro18;2265676]Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.[/QUOTE]I'm not exactly sure what happened to the infamous overnighter. In the 2000's, it was still very common. Sometimes the girls would sleep over / fuck you in the morning without whole lot of conversation. Call it a vibe thing that just occurred naturally with club girls or clinica/terma girls that you called after hours. The Brasileiras, while not being clockwatchers, are now more transactional.

I've traveled with buddies and witnessed the preferences. Being tall, blonde, handsome with light eyes made one a golden ticket (no pun) with the working girls. That's just the way it is.

[QUOTE=Kintaro18;2265676]One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.[/QUOTE]I have never experienced this in Brazil. I routinely am not approached by the few Afro-Brazilian girls that I see, and that's just fine with me because I'm not interested for the most part LOL! I go for the brancas and the morenas, and I did not have any problems in Rio or Sampa with either of those groups. The one rare time that I can recall being approached by an Afro-Brazilian girl was at Monte Carlo in Rio. I remember it because the situation was kind of funny to me. I was sitting in the boite and she came and sat next to me to make a move. Well, this really hot, bubble butt branca (my weakness) had the audacity to come and sit right in between us! Pissed the black girl off something good LOL! Oh, I remember a time at Termas 65 too. She asked me what I liked and I told her and no problems. She was cool and moved on to the next one. That's how it should be. Although, I did have a morena at 4 X 4 ask me why I was coming to Brazil "fucking all those white girls" LOL!

In Sao Paulo, of course at the clinicas it's not a matter of getting approached. The girls are presented to you one by one, and you choose. Now, in the night clubs it's another matter. At Bomboa, I was repeatedly approached by nothing but brancas and a few morenas. The place is mostly brancas, and I don't even recall seeing any negras in there. At Scandalo, I saw only one negra there. And, it was the kind of place where it wasn't so much about approaching as it was two people catching each other's eye and smiling, and sort of a mutual thing. You know? The place is so big. But when I did see somebody I had to have, I approached and no problem. Beautiful, tanned, dark-haired, caramel complected morenas. Milk white brancas with blue eyes and blonde hair. Got approached by a morena popozuda up in there LOL! I found Cafe Photo to be a place where a lot of girls did not approach. But, that just seemed to be more of the vibe of that place. But, I saw somebody I liked and approached her no problems. Squeezing and kneading on that big, phat, branca fanny in the club LOLOLOL! Yes sir! Went to another lesser known place and had a pretty, big booty white girl (the one in the clothed pic) straddle my lap face first in the club. We kissed so hard and so deep and so long that she literally gave me a hickey of the tongue hahaha! And that was before going to the room!

I don't know. I've just had zero problems getting what I want in Brazil, and have not had to work too hard at it with either the brancas or morenas. I'd say I'm an OK looking guy. Girls tend to find me "cute" and "smart-looking" LOL! That's what they tells me. And I look quite young for my age. One morena told me that I look Brazilian, whatever that means. Maybe that has something to do with it? I don't know. But not complaining. It is what it is! Hope it works better for you next time my man. I always get what I want in Brazil, including plenty of interracial anal! Hahaha! Yep, yep! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Kintaro18;2265676]Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.

Kilt Shows.

There were a number of hot girls here. But pressure was on me as I was one of the first guys there early. After rejecting 2 dogs, I chose a short blonde. I booked a longer session with her. And I shouldn't have. Since the club is dark, I didn't see her nasty hairy legs. Also in 3 hours, she only gave me BBBJ once. And the session wasn't that great. She said she was 19. Maybe the inexperience was why she wasn't really that seductive. I wouldn't repeat. Although she did try to rip me off, and the guy at the front of the hotel part did refund me 100 reais after I showed him the google translate where we agreed on the price. It's of course no guarantee, but they do seem more fair towards men in Latin America than in the west. In the west (especially in places where it's illegal), girls will rip guys off and people will defend it, and the girls get away with it scott free.

Abbobora.

Massage parlor in Moema. It's OK. It's probably one of the better MP's there. They definitely had better looking women than any other MP I went to in Brazil. I chose a blonde, short tan girl. The action was good and she was nice. But I didn't like how she just awkwardly stared at me after the first pop. I would say we could've talked, but my Portuguese was a little weak, and she didn't speak English. Nice rooms, but the bed is low.

Cafe Photo.

Lots of hot girls here. Upscale looking place. I was unaware that the girls are not allowed to approach you here. But one approached me anyway and told me of this. Lots of white girls, and blondes. But I didn't like that they weren't allowed to approach, plus they laughed at me so I left.

Bahamas Club.

Went here on the first night. Some girls are hot, but most aren't. Staff is cool and one of the guys speaks English and will show you around. Facilities are top notch as they have a pool table, and a pool. I approached one girl for a game of pool. But she quit after I didn't buy her a drink. If she's going to be that rude, then I don't want her company anyway. At first only the dogs approached me. Not fair. It was like that for about 2 hours. Then finally a young white girl approached me for a session. 1 HR- 400 reais. She had a pretty open menu. But at one point I felt rushed during the session. One thing I hated was during mish, she used her feet to push me away! Strange. I have never had any woman use her feet to push me away during sex. I would've talked to her about it, but my Portuguese wasn't strong enough and I didn't want to use google translate for that. After it was over, we had at least 20 minutes left, but I was so mad about her pushing me away, I just left. I regret not complaining about it before I left. I don't know her name. She was a young, thin white girl with black hair.

I went back again and didn't have a session this time. There was a hot brunette who I tried to make a deal with for a longer session. I was going to take her back to my hotel. But the deal breaker was she would not negotiate at all. I thought this was Brazil? She said 1200 reais. I said 1000. No. Then I said 1100. No. Since she wouldn't budge at all, I gave it a miss. The hot voluptuous blonde was stuck up and made no effort with me. Aside from that only ugly girls wanted me.

Zeus Bar.

Very close to Bahamas club in Moema, and the mall. English speaking host greeted me at the door and showed me the place. Not too many hotties there that night. Initially had my eye on an athletic Latina, but when she saw me, she gave me no play. I ended up doing a 3 some with a mixed Brazilian / Italian and a hot, young, Japanese woman with a nice body. The Italian girl spoke English too so she translated. The Japanese lady was darker and she was way hotter than the Italian / Brazilian girl. I regret not just doing the session with the Japanese girl. Also since I got 2 girls, they charged me double the hotel rate. I mentioned it later to management, and he said to call him. But when I called, there was no answer. So of course most of the action was with the Japanese lady, and it was good with her. But the downside was these girls only offered CBJ, so I skipped it. Also the Italian girl had a bad attitude. She was combative and liked to argue. I think she might ironically hate men a little bit too. I told her I'm from the USA Where this is illegal. And she said "hey maybe I should move there, because I won't have to have sex with the guy". She then bragged about how back in Italy, guys would pay just to talk to her. That trip was a fantasy for me. I'm from somewhere where it's illegal. And it's hard to get girls. That was cold and a little mean, and inconsiderate of her to say that to me. She also said that if you don't buy a drink for a girl, that means you don't appreciate her time. That's not true at all. So hundreds of dollars for just 1 hour isn't appreciative of your time? I hated her after that. She's blonde, spent time in Italy. If you run into this girl, dismiss her or run!

Connection.

This is a cool place. The driveway to their parking lot looks like something futuristic you'd only see in the movies. Big place too. They have a restaurant, 2 stages, and a place where you can gamble and play cards. After I rejected a few unattractive ones, a hot one finally talked to me. She spoke English too. A cute black girl with a nice body. I don't usually go for black girls, but she looked real good. You can tell she goes to the gym. The room is plain looking compared to the rest of the place. The session was good. Afterwards I wanted to see another girl, but to no avail. They didn't seem to want it as much as the first one. Plus 2 of the girls had hairy legs. They charged me 2 entry fees even though they weren't supposed to. I called and the manager said he will give me free entry next time. If I go back. I was actually planning to go back, but it didn't pan out.

Caster Club.

Big club atmosphere. No one here speaks english BTW. For the most part, the girls here don't look too good. I only saw a few I was interested in. And they left before I could talk to them. So I ended up leaving without a session.

With the quality of the mongering scene decreasing drastically in the west over the past 5 years or so, Brazil is probably now one of the better places in the world to do this. Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.[/QUOTE]What a very odd list. No Scandalo? Bamboa? Casarao? Tangara even? This seems like the laundry list of places never discussed on ISG. If your intent was to TOFTT then thank you! But if your intent was to sample the best on offer then you did pretty much the opposite. Still if that was better than Rio I am glad I skipped Rio!

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2266041]So, there is one thing more important and above the money? Race? Does not matter if poor, as long as white? I have not noticed that Brazilian or any other females like poor white dudes. Do you expect that belonging to 5-15% must be an asset to get more attention for the females regardless of the color of the skin as "money talks, bullshit walks"? Self-hate because of they are just black or more with a limited opportunities that this brings along with? Ice Cube told me(personally)once that US blacks use a "n" word to get over to their historical past. He did not presumed how long that will take.

Probably lesser time than 13% of the US inhabitants reduce their share of the crimes from 90% of total to 13%.[/QUOTE]Sorry, Ice Cube not Ice-T.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2266041]So, there is one thing more important and above the money? Race? Does not matter if poor, as long as white? I have not noticed that Brazilian or any other females like poor white dudes. Do you expect that belonging to 5-15% must be an asset to get more attention for the females regardless of the color of the skin as "money talks, bullshit walks"? Self-hate because of they are just black or more with a limited opportunities that this brings along with? Ice-T told me (personally) once that US blacks use a "and" word to get over to their historical past. He did not presumed how long that will take.

Probably lesser time than 13% of the US inhabitants reduce their share of the crimes from 90% of total to 13%.[/QUOTE]I made the 5-15% remark in reference to my thinking that the girls don't think I can afford their rates. When they figure out I'm not Brazilian, pardon my pun, the complexion of the situation changes. The self hate remark is a response to my experiences with black bartenders / wait staff / store clerks & cashiers. I've been to restaurants and bars where the (black) wait staff will walk by me without taking my order, often times without even looking in my direction. When I call them over they are surprised that I want a beer or something to eat. Many assumed I'd just come in to use the free wi-fi. This has happened far too often to be coincidence. To quote Malcolm Nance, "coincidence takes a lot of planning. "

While shopping at a local mercado a (black) cashier literally snatched the money from my hand and gave me my change back without even a, "thank you for shopping, come again please. " But then I remembered she was cordial with the white patrons before me. Even had a situation where a (black) cashier short changed me BRL $ 10, when I corrected her math she was surprised that I wasn't Brazilian. My thoughts were she assumed I'd be too stupid to realise that she was short changing me. I don't think she'd of tried that on a white person.

Same mercado different (black) cashier, I was fourth in line with a cart full of groceries. If you've ever been shopping at a super mercado in Brasil, especially Sao Paulo, the line move slower than my grandma Lucy answering the doorbell. So I'm waiting a good 10 minutes, when it's my turn at the register the girl puts up the "fechado" sign and tells me it's time for her break. I'm thinking, "WTF!" So I leave my items in the cart and start to walk out. After getting a few feet away, I'm approached by a big fat (black) security guard (he's a foot taller and a good 150 lbs heavier) who tells me I have to go to another register in order to pay for my items. He adds, I can't leave until I return or pay for the items in my cart (which I'm sure is clearly not store policy because I've seen the employees restocking un-purchased items left at the registers). I tell him to, "kiss my ass," keeping him in my peripheral vision on the left as he follows me out, while I'm fingering the release knob on the folding knife clipped inside my front right blue jean pocket.

FYI: I no longer shop there, I walk the extra 5 minutes to another mercado near my flat.

Use of "nigger" to get over historical past? Please! Black people use the word "nigger" because white people have used it to denigrate us. When a black person uses it it somehow elevates them to a superior position (although, only psychologically) over the other black person he's directing it toward. It's used to minimise and degrade one's humanity. It's a schizophrenic word that when used (by a black person) allows them for that nanosecond to step out of their skin. And for that brief moment in time they are something other than what you've been brainwashed into thinking you are. They are them (white folks). To quote Pogo, "we have seen the enemy and it is us. " Just some run-of-the-mill brainwashing by the massa to divide and conquer.

My dad was in the military, we lived in France, England & Germany before moving to the USA when I was in 8th grade. It amazed me how poorly African-Americans treated each other as compared to my interactions with people of color in Europe in the 60's & early 70's. It reminded me later of that sociological experiment where you gradually increase the number of rats in a cage. At some point when the personal space and food resources begin to diminish. They start eating each other, that my friend is basis for my Brazilian black self hate reference.

Getting sociological / historical advice from Ice-T, now that's funny!

Cheers!

Colleagues, I'm going to be in Sao Paulo for the New Year. What would be good places to celebrate? (with access to women, but not the noisy overpriced overcrowded night clubs. I hate those).

Also if anyone is in town I'm happy to meet, chat, and possibly team up for something.

If only my membership gets processed.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2266100]I'm not exactly sure what happened to the infamous overnighter. In the 2000's, it was still very common. Sometimes the girls would sleep over / fuck you in the morning without whole lot of conversation. Call it a vibe thing that just occurred naturally with club girls or clinica/terma girls that you called after hours. The Brasileiras, while not being clockwatchers, are now more transactional.

I've traveled with buddies and witnessed the preferences. Being tall, blonde, handsome with light eyes made one a golden ticket (no pun) with the working girls. That's just the way it is.[/QUOTE]Definitely depends on the girl and where you find them.

I generally stay away from the high (over) priced places and girls.

I've met plenty in both SP and Rio who love the overnight.

The difficult part is getting them to leave.

Same goes for the "transactional" you refer to.

The same high priced / over valued girls will generally be more like that, IMO.

This gets us off the topic of pussy but I can't resist. One of my fascinations with Brasil is watching colorism in a non-US culture. Yet anybody who thinks that people Black people aren't treated differently in the western world is willfully looking away. I have a question: When does someone in Brasil go from mulato to negro? I bet hair texture is as important as skin tone. From my short time in SP, I thought I saw more mulatas with some African "blood" than I did what we would call Blacks here in the US, where the African phenotype dominates. Could be where I was (rich sampa) but is it also possible that black and white are allowed to fuck more and have kids in Brasil? In the US it's still pretty hard. So I guess it all comes down to pussy in the end LOL.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2266236]I made the 5-15% remark in reference to my thinking that the girls don't think I can afford their rates. When they figure out I'm not Brazilian, pardon my pun, the complexion of the situation changes. The self hate remark is a response to my experiences with black bartenders / wait staff / store clerks & cashiers. I've been to restaurants and bars where the (black) wait staff will walk by me without taking my order, often times without even looking in my direction. When I call them over they are surprised that I want a beer or something to eat. Many assumed I'd just come in to use the free wi-fi. This has happened far too often to be coincidence. To quote Malcolm Nance, "coincidence takes a lot of planning. "

While shopping at a local mercado a (black) cashier literally snatched the money from my hand and gave me my change back without even a, "thank you for shopping, come again please. " But then I remembered she was cordial with the white patrons before me. Even had a situation where a (black) cashier short changed me BRL $ 10, when I corrected her math she was surprised that I wasn't Brazilian. My thoughts were she assumed I'd be too stupid to realise that she was short changing me. I don't think she'd of tried that on a white person.

Same mercado different (black) cashier, I was fourth in line with a cart full of groceries. If you've ever been shopping at a super mercado in Brasil, especially Sao Paulo, the line move slower than my grandma Lucy answering the doorbell. So I'm waiting a good 10 minutes, when it's my turn at the register the girl puts up the "fechado" sign and tells me it's time for her break. I'm thinking, "WTF!" So I leave my items in the cart and start to walk out. After getting a few feet away, I'm approached by a big fat (black) security guard (he's a foot taller and a good 150 lbs heavier) who tells me I have to go to another register in order to pay for my items. He adds, I can't leave until I return or pay for the items in my cart (which I'm sure is clearly not store policy because I've seen the employees restocking un-purchased items left at the registers). I tell him to, "kiss my ass," keeping him in my peripheral vision on the left as he follows me out, while I'm fingering the release knob on the folding knife clipped inside my front right blue jean pocket.

FYI: I no longer shop there, I walk the extra 5 minutes to another mercado near my flat.

Use of "nigger" to get over historical past? Please! Black people use the word "nigger" because white people have used it to denigrate us. When a black person uses it it somehow elevates them to a superior position (although, only psychologically) over the other black person he's directing it toward. It's used to minimise and degrade one's humanity. It's a schizophrenic word that when used (by a black person) allows them for that nanosecond to step out of their skin. And for that brief moment in time they are something other than what you've been brainwashed into thinking you are. They are them (white folks). To quote Pogo, "we have seen the enemy and it is us. " Just some run-of-the-mill brainwashing by the massa to divide and conquer.

My dad was in the military, we lived in France, England & Germany before moving to the USA when I was in 8th grade. It amazed me how poorly African-Americans treated each other as compared to my interactions with people of color in Europe in the 60's & early 70's. It reminded me later of that sociological experiment where you gradually increase the number of rats in a cage. At some point when the personal space and food resources begin to diminish. They start eating each other, that my friend is basis for my Brazilian black self hate reference.

Getting sociological / historical advice from Ice-T, now that's funny!

Cheers![/QUOTE]

So my babyfat cutie from Scandallo proposes to have a festa with her and 2 of her friends at Lush Motel. She sends me photos of the friends. They look good. We book it for a 2-6 pm party. I should know better about these things. As Wyatt Earp says, they only rarely meet the expectation of your imagination, but I'the like to have the Brazilian love motel experience and I've been walking around in an erotic haze since my time with Babyfat. This happens when I'm around a girl who really does it for me, turns my brain to mush and I do some stupid things. Also, luxury to me means abundance. I love the feeling just being in the presence abundant hot ass.

After initially asking for a deposit (no babyfat, that isn't going to happen) we settle on 1500 Reals per girl for 4 hours. When I show at Lush, one girl has bailed, so now it's a dupla but the other girl is a statuesque (5'10) 28 year branca with a set of manmades and acres and acres of Brazilian bunda. I mean this girls ass started mid-way up her back and ended just above her knees practically. But firm too. Kim Kardasian is a good look alike but I think the pornstar Kelly Devine is as good a comparison, although this girl is prettier than KD. Get into the room which is quite nice, pool, bed, shower and all. The girls are into drinking beer, which is actually reasonable (9 reals I think) and food and get down to business. I'm already regretting my decision to have a festa. All I really want is to concentrate on babyfat and keep making love to that gorgeous backside and mouth. Kim K is not as compliant nor as good at DFK yet within a few minutes I have them out of their clothes, exploring their asses with my finger and mouth, DT them in various positions etc. KK gets a bit irritated with my attention concentrating on babyfat and she sort of becomes a pain in the ass. Yet as we are cavorting in the pool. There's nothing like burying my face in that ass as she climbs the ladder out of the pool, stopping halfway up to give me good access.

So its 4 hours of teasing, sucking, fingering and fucking (when I can manage it) in all the porno positions. Babyfat is down for almost anything, KK is more reserved and mechanical but at times we are all in the pool together and I'm swept away in an ocean of tits, ass, lips, mouths. Every time I start in on playing with babyfat's little brown asshole she murmurs "sua, sua", "yours, yours".

Expensive but something you got to do at least once. I could probably get pretty close to this at Tangara, for a third the price tho. Anyways on our way out, I they ask about a repeat and I evade because I think I want to just concentrate on babyfat as tomorrow is the last day of my trip and I want to talk babyfat into surrendering totally that sweet brown culo.

Circumstances had other plans however. More in Part 2.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2266947]This gets us off the topic of pussy but I can't resist. One of my fascinations with Brasil is watching colorism in a non-US culture. Yet anybody who thinks that people Black people aren't treated differently in the western world is willfully looking away. I have a question: When does someone in Brasil go from mulato to negro? I bet hair texture is as important as skin tone. From my short time in SP, I thought I saw more mulatas with some African "blood" than I did what we would call Blacks here in the US, where the African phenotype dominates. Could be where I was (rich sampa) but is it also possible that black and white are allowed to fuck more and have kids in Brasil? In the US it's still pretty hard. So I guess it all comes down to pussy in the end LOL.[/QUOTE]The racial terms in Brazil are pretty fluid at the moment, as things are probably in transition due to cultural and political forces. We will probably see some terms falling out of favor and others rising depending on which way political correctness and social identity evolve. At this point its not quite clear how things will sort out. From a "census" perspective there are 5 categories: brancos, pretos, amarelos e indígenas and pardos = White, black, yellow (asian), idigenous and mixed.

Pardos which are colloquially subdivided into o mulata (descendentes de brancos e negros), cabocla (descendentes de brancos e ameríndios), cafuza (descendentes de negros e indígenas) ou mestiça (multi-ethnic. But generally used for mixes of asian and something else or indiginous and something else).

But not all of these terms are used equally in common speech. As you can see from the escort sites the most commonly used are branca, morena, negra, mulata, mestica and orientais (I. E. Asian).

Morena is a tricky one as it can either refer to hair color or skin tone or both. Morena clara refers to a brana with black hair. Morena jambo is brown skin, brown hair.

Mulata usually refers to brown / black skin with "straighter" hair and more "european" facial features. But this is a fuzzy thing because of hair straigtening, extensions, mega hair etc.

Negra usually means more "african" phenotype than mulata, but again this is fuzzy and personal.

A lot of this is very fluid. Some people self-identify differently than other people may see them. Some people of color prefer to be called "negro / a" than "mulata" others may prefer "moreno / a". I have had Brasileiras tell me "I am mulata, my brother is negro and my mom is branca, and my father is moreno" or some other combination.

As a non-Brazilian, scarred by the racial terminology wars in the USA I try to be cautious and respectful, so I either avoid using the terms or if I am in doubt I will use "morena" for any non-white situation as that is unlikely to be offensive, since "morena" is a very very broad term. When I say "when I am in doubt, I refer to cases where the person has not already self identified as one or other term. This is not an issue with online free lancers because they self-identify when they choose which category to be listed on the web site. Mulata and negra are more "specific" terms. But for example, I can say "eu adoro a beleza negra", "I like black beauty" without offending anyone (at least no one has claimed to be offended). The difference being that I am referring to the "kind of beauty" without "typing" the person directly.

From what I can gather, "mulata" may be the term that gets used less and less over time in the future as it has some connotations of the miscegination that is associated with the slavery period. But this is just a socialogical speculation on my part, as Brazil is subject to its own internal forces but also influenced by international, particularly American trends. The english word "black" is used in Brasil all the time but not for "people", rather there is "black music" (catchall term for are&be, soul and other american musics) and "black cabelo" (afro or natural hair style).

So its a very subtle issue, which may change by next year LOL. My advice is when in doubt use "morena".

As I said I get pussy addled brain easily and when I do, I get sloppy. Don't think I'm condoning this kind of behavior, especially in one of the largest cities in a foreign country, I'm not. But I'm also showing you that not every lapse need be a disaster and that danger isn't lurking everywhere in Brazil either. People are sincere and helpful too.

The girls give me a ride from Lush back to my Airbnb. Kim Kardasian is asking if about tomorrow, but I'm vague. I've already decided that if I'm seeing anyone its babyfat alone. My flight leaves very late tomorrow so maybe I'll hit Tangara and hang out with ABG during the day or have babyfat over to the apartment before I check out or maybe not see anybody.

Now when you check into these love motels, they take your passport when you check in and give it back to you when I check out. I have a passport card I use and leave my actual passport locked in my room. I realize that I left the card in KKs car when she drove me back. I send her a whatsap, she finds it but now I'm on the hook for another dupla with her and babyfat. Expensive mistake. We do negotiate a shorter time (2 hours) and lower rate (800 Reals). The session is a replay of the day before but one advantage is they were more comfortable with a camera so I've got a nice porno to wank away to when I'm stuck in sex prison. But I realize I left the camera at the hotel! I'm a fucking idot. So I uber out to Asturias and ask if they found it. Sure enough they have it returning it in ziplock baggie. By the way I preferred Astrurias to Lush.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2266947]I have a question: When does someone in Brasil go from mulato to negro? [/QUOTE]Dude,

All these women (who work in both Sao Paulo & Rio) when I asked them what ethnicity they identified with most. They all told me Black. When asked why, the responses varied: (1) my Black grandparents raised me, (2) my father is a dark skinned Black man, (3) my mother is a dark skinned Black woman, (4) I can always find support for whatever I need within the Black community where I live, (5) a Black family took me in when both my parents died in a car accident, (6) my teachers always told me I was Black (7) don't you think I look Black? & (8) my boyfriend's parents rejected me bcuz they thought I was too dark. Not one told me they were mulata or mixed. So I'm thinking it's mental self perception thing more so than a straight genetic classification thing.

My conclusion: What your eyes are telling you is not necessarily what's happening in what you're looking at's self perception. Or maybe they were just telling the stupid Gringo what they thought he wanted to hear. Considering were both naked and were making small talk before the buzzer sounds and maybe they're hoping that they can get an extra program out of me. I don't know!

Also, from a historical perspective there was a time in Brasilian history when the African enslaved population was in the majority. So the white folk had to step gently at times. Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness," although it takes place in Africa is in actuality a literary adaption of a time in Brazilian history when a slave revolt was so successful, they had their country in Nordeste for over a hundred years. Only after years and years of attempts from the government were they conquered with help from the Dutch & British. Technically, it was a World War in South America against a Black nation.

So in order to answer your question I will need to return to the field in order to gather more data. It's a tough job but someone has to do it!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2267038]All these women (who work in both Sao Paulo & Rio) when I asked them what ethnicity they identified with most. They all told me Black.[/QUOTE]Interesting discussion. Brazil historically has had an idiosyncratic relationship with race.

Fifteen years ago, I would run into obviously mulata women in Brazil. Some would say they weren't mulata nor would they identify as black. Back then, I have the impression racial identity was not as deeply ingrained. I believe racial identity has become more prominent in Brazil the last several years.

This is just an observation from my experiences in Brazil.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2267210] I believe racial identity has become more prominent in Brazil the last several years.

This is just an observation from my experiences in Brazil.[/QUOTE]That's a pity. Probably due to US influence? At the end of the day, the only adjetives that really matter to me are belleza and safada.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2267222]That's a pity. Probably due to US influence? At the end of the day, the only adjetives that really matter to me are belleza and safada.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't make any presumptions. The elevator incident was a national awakening.

[URL]http://media.miamiherald.com/multimedia/news/afrolatin/part3/index.html[/URL]

I saw 7 garrotas over my 11 days for a total of 11 encounters.

The bottom line is this. If I had one week left to monger and could only pick one venue it would be Scandallo. If I lived in SP I'the go once a week just to have dinner and scout around.

Things I did before leaving:

Got a visa. Use the vfs. Global website and ignore the other paid sites that come up when you google. Cost is about $40 US and mine took about 5 days from application to when I got the visa via email. It's good for a year.

Registered for Gpguia. I posted about this earlier; my first encounter with the porto alphabet. Gpguia was not as helpful as I expected. It did save me from picking a hot one at Miruna who had bad reviews. And I think it should be somewhat worthwhile for indy escorts although I didn't have time to explore that side of the scene. Even then, I think there are a lot of the ficha rosa wannabe types who don't have reviews. Next time for sure.

Studied a little Portuguese. I did this because Steve96969 insisted and because he's right. Got the Pimsler stuff from the Library so at least I could say "Disculpe eo nao falu porto muito bem, fala ingles o espanol? That and google goes a long way. I found the orthography (how the work is written vs how it sounds) difficult like English or French. I mostly stubbled around and used google and a bit of Spanish but anyone telling you you'll be fine using Spanish is wrong.

Contacted AltoBomGusto. Having a local who can speak both English and Porto and who knows the scene is worth it to me. Plus ABG is a funny and amiable wing man. He has his preferences like everybody but he's tolerant of other points of view. He suggested one day that we grab a couple of clinca girls and make a date for a swingers club. Next time for sure.

Downloaded Uber and WhatAp. I don't use either at home much but they are essential in Brasil.

I went to Tangara, Miruna, Brooklin clinicas and to Bomboa, Scandallo and Chanes for clubs. I think I've reviewed most of the noteworthy encounters earlier but here is the roster:

Mariah at Tangara.

Ana Carolina at Scandallos.

Sara at Scandallos.

Bianca at Brooklin. This was my worst experience. She used a minor blemish I have as an excuse to give bad service. Good looking. Damage was 220 reals and I really should have complained. Rookie mistake.

Babyfat (name is Carine actually) at Scandallos.

Babyfat and Amiga Fest X2.

The scene is so varied and deep that there is sure to be something for every taste. You could stay a month and only scratch the surface. Thanks as always to all who were so generous with their posts, especially Steve9696, Rovnak, Kcrl01, The Cane, Marshal Earp and RIP GhengisKahn who's posts years ago first put it in mind that Sampa was a world class destination.

Some random pictures attached.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2267319]I wouldn't make any presumptions. The elevator incident was a national awakening.

[URL]http://media.miamiherald.com/multimedia/news/afrolatin/part3/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks. The whole series is worth reading and that map is killer.

Hb.

So, I just got to Sao Paulo too.

Did basically the same prep work as HarvestBoi:

Vfs for visa.

Pimsleur for a few words of Portuguese. Pimsleur sure is boring but effective.

Now, today I only had one encounter at Brooklin clinica. Among other things, she told me that the clinica will be closed from Dec 31 and will reopen on Jan 7. I hope not all clinicss are like this, or I am going to have a very lonely and boring stay.

The clinica is nice, I like the fact that the girl takes shower before and after. Also clean sheet / towels are nice.

I picked a girl named Larissa. A mixed aftertaste:

+ A beautiful body, just the way I like. Nice face, too. Also the texture of her skin is very pleasant to touch.

- I think she was totally disgusted with the way I look. Can't say that I blame her though.

+ She tried to hide it and still put out. Her FS orifice is super tight.

- CBJ only. I declined actually, as it does nothing for me. Possibly it's because she didn't like me.

+ the FS felt nice.

- no GFE at all. She wouldn't even let me kiss her neck, let alone lips.

Anyway, better than nothing but not great. However, if you don't look like a slab of fat your experience may be completely different.

Then tried to visit these two:

Miruna.

Av. Miruna, 644 - Moema- São Paulo. SP.

Prime.

Av. Iraí, 511 - Moema São Paulo. SP.

But both were closed. Sux.

Thinking about what to do with the rest of the evening. I really like the clinicas vibe. Unhurried, showers available, a selection of girls, reasonable price. I could enjoy inviting someone to me, too. Hmmm.

Also Espao Vergueiro on Av. Vergueiro 170 was closed at 9 pm today.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2267722]I saw 7 garrotas over my 11 days for a total of 11 encounters.

The bottom line is this. If I had one week left to monger and could only pick one venue it would be Scandallo. If I lived in SP I'the go once a week just to have dinner and scout around.[/QUOTE]Only seven garotas in 11 days? Sounds like someone believes in moderation.

Sorry, but Scandallo's just doesn't float my boat. There are a few women who live in my building who work there. I see them in the laundry room, at the roof pool, picking up their mail from the front desk, I see them at the mercado.

IMHO: they look more attractive to me when I see them in flip flops, cut off jeans & tank tops. When I see them on their way to work they're wearing so much make-up, high heels they can barely walk in, if I didn't know them from my building, I'd of thought they were totally different people. I like when a garota dresses naturally, you can get a better feel for their personality. IMHO.

If you're not getting laid by at least 2-3 different garotas per day in Brasil, you're not applying yourself! Technically what you've described fits the legal definition of sexual abuse. As in if you don't finish your beer, that's alcohol abuse!

This lines up with my experience at Brooklin. Maybe they are hip to shorting clueless visitors like us on service?

Strongly suggest you try Tangara. Not only did they have the deepest LU of the clinicas I visited, they also had the most expansive hours, being open on Sunday when the others were closed. A bit more rustic accommodations tho.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2267732]
- CBJ only. I declined actually, as it does nothing for me. Possibly it's because she didn't like me.

+ the FS felt nice.

- no GFE at all. She wouldn't even let me kiss her neck, let alone lips.

Anyway, better than nothing but not great. However, if you don't look like a slab of fat your experience may be completely different.

Then tried to visit these two:

Miruna.

Av. Miruna, 644 - Moema- So Paulo. SP.

Prime.

Av. Ira, 511 - Moema So Paulo. SP.

But both were closed. Sux.

Thinking about what to do with the rest of the evening. I really like the clinicas vibe. Unhurried, showers available, a selection of girls, reasonable price. I could enjoy inviting someone to me, too. Hmmm.[/QUOTE]

LOL. OK in my defense I was fighting a nasty virus when I first landed and I'the bet I'm a decade or more older than you. I like girls in normal clothes too, it's just that at scandallos I know they are all down to fuck!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2267796]Only seven garotas in 11 days? Sounds like someone believes in moderation.

Sorry, but Scandallo's just doesn't float my boat. There are a few women who live in my building who work there. I see them in the laundry room, at the roof pool, picking up their mail from the front desk, I see them at the mercado.

IMHO: they look more attractive to me when I see them in flip flops, cut off jeans & tank tops. When I see them on their way to work they're wearing so much make-up, high heels they can barely walk in, if I didn't know them from my building, I'd of thought they were totally different people. I like when a garota dresses naturally, you can get a better feel for their personality. IMHO.

If you're not getting laid by at least 2-3 different garotas per day in Brasil, you're not applying yourself! Technically what you've described fits the legal definition of sexual abuse. As in if you don't finish your beer, that's alcohol abuse![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2268054]LOL. OK in my defense I was fighting a nasty virus when I first landed and I'the bet I'm a decade or more older than you. I like girls in normal clothes too, it's just that at scandallos I know they are all down to fuck![/QUOTE]I personally like to meet my girls when they are all dolled up and in fuck-me heels. And of course after at least one drink to magically improve the optics of all girls. Then, I love to see them disheveled in my bed — a private view just for me.

I have to say I loved this about my Fazendinha girl that I flew to London. Total stunner on the dance floor in the club. But seeing her breathing, softly sleeping with no make up on — equally good. Always hated to wake her. And the sight of her casually on her stomach on the bed in only some semi-thong underwear — just doing her phone WhatsApp. OMG one of the nicest views on the planet! Priceless.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2268052]This lines up with my experience at Brooklin. Maybe they are hip to shorting clueless visitors like us on service?

Strongly suggest you try Tangara. Not only did they have the deepest LU of the clinicas I visited, they also had the most expansive hours, being open on Sunday when the others were closed. A bit more rustic accommodations tho.[/QUOTE]Yes, went to Tangara today, also very lucky as they were closing at 5 and I got there just after 3. I was thinking whether I should find some lunch first, but made the right decision in the end.

They only had a few girls because of the holiday, however, I still was able to pick 2 (one at a time) that produced the BBBJ I so much desired. Unfortunately I didn't quite catch their names. One was completely without tattoos, surprisingly enough, also very cuddly and hug, which I love. The second was a vacuum cleaner, worked hard on making things happen.

100 per half an hour for each. Great value for the money.

They will be closed on January 1, but will reopen at 10 on January 2 and will continue with the normal schedule of 10 am to 10 pm.

I'm told anal is considered normal in Brazil. Is this true? There is something about a nice, soft ass from behind first thing in the morning!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2268080]I'm told anal is considered normal in Brazil. Is this true? There is something about a nice, soft ass from behind first thing in the morning![/QUOTE]Many garotas will do it for an adittional fee who must be negociated. Most clinica girls will do it for extra 50 reais.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2268080]I'm told anal is considered normal in Brazil. Is this true? There is something about a nice, soft ass from behind first thing in the morning![/QUOTE]I wouldn't say its the "norm". It depends on the provider. Some offer it, some don't. I personally don't care for anal and many of them express relief when I say I am not interested in anal. The Brazilian men are notoriously obsessed with anal sex, and many providers have privately told me that they only offer anal because of the market demand but they personally do not enjoy it. Every once in a while I meet one that says she actually enjoys anal, FWIW.

Excited to be heading out to sao Paulo for the first time. I've done my research and I'm pretty picky so I'm planning to pick up girls from Scandallo and Cesaroa. Few questions for the regulars:

1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?

2. Anyone have any experience with AirBnb and girls coming over? Would hotel be a better option?

3. Since Scandallo and Cesario are downtown (ish) do they still have a good selection on Saturday and Sunday? I've looked at google maps and it seems to be busier on the weekdays than the weekends (even Saturday!) which I thought was odd.

I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.

Oh and I prefer spinner type ladies so if they tend to congregate somewhere let me know!

Ok. I read the last 50 pages of Sao Paolo reports, so I think I know what to do. And then I wanted to read 50 pages of the Buenos Aries reports. But there's nothing to read. Last decent info message on the Argentina forum is 12 months ago. I thought Buenos Aries had an awesome mongering scene like Rio, SP and Colombia. Is this no longer the case? I found a $250 airfare from SP to Buenos Aries and was all pumped up to see the girls Buenos Aries. I've already been to Rio. I will spend 5 nights in SP, and 2 nights in Iguaza Falls, where should I spend the other 3 nights? Buenos Aries? Porto Allegre? What the heck, I was all pumped up on researching Buenos Aries and there's no information to read? Should I still go? I will be in Sao Paolo end of this month January. Please advise. Buenos Aries or some other city in Brazil? I've already did Rio in 2014. And I loved RIO. But I love trying new frontiers of mongering like SP and what other city?

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2269075]Ok. I read the last 50 pages of Sao Paolo reports, so I think I know what to do. And then I wanted to read 50 pages of the Buenos Aries reports. But there's nothing to read. Last decent info message on the Argentina forum is 12 months ago. I thought Buenos Aries had an awesome mongering scene like Rio, SP and Colombia. Is this no longer the case? I found a $250 airfare from SP to Buenos Aries and was all pumped up to see the girls Buenos Aries. I've already been to Rio. I will spend 5 nights in SP, and 2 nights in Iguaza Falls, where should I spend the other 3 nights? Buenos Aries? Porto Allegre? What the heck, I was all pumped up on researching Buenos Aries and there's no information to read? Should I still go? I will be in Sao Paolo end of this month January. Please advise. Buenos Aries or some other city in Brazil? I've already did Rio in 2014. And I loved RIO. But I love trying new frontiers of mongering like SP and what other city?[/QUOTE]Argentina has the most beautiful women in the entire Americas. Go to Buenos Aires and post a trip report here; you'll be forgiven.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2269215]Argentina has the most beautiful women in the entire Americas. Go to Buenos Aires and post a trip report here; you'll be forgiven.[/QUOTE]The BA mongering scene is dead. IMO its the best European type city in Central and South America. Combination of Madrid, London, Paris, Rome, etc.

The women remind of LOS Angeles -- full of plastic combined with stylish clothing. They take of their bodies and ooze sexiness.

The casas and pickup clubs from 10 to 15 years ago are gone. The government made a big effort to clean up the city's image due to the number of big international events.

The economy is poor. Only visit if you want to enjoy the "luxury" of a pseudo-Euro city.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2269075]Ok. I read the last 50 pages of Sao Paolo reports, so I think I know what to do. And then I wanted to read 50 pages of the Buenos Aries reports. But there's nothing to read. Last decent info message on the Argentina forum is 12 months ago. I thought Buenos Aries had an awesome mongering scene like Rio, SP and Colombia. Is this no longer the case? Please advise.[/QUOTE]I have mongered in Buenos Aires a couple of times. The first time was definitely better than the first. What I have heard from reliable BA vets on this site is that the action has really fallen off in BA and is no longer what it used to be. I would advise that you go to Brazil and Colombia. Unlike Turgid, I believe that the most beautiful women in all of the Americas are from Colombia. But, the Brasilieras are easily the best in the sack at pleasing a man, and they're more than hot enough for me, making Brazil my top mongering destination in the world, especially if you want anal sex from really pretty women LOL!

[QUOTE=Rxylirate;2269072]1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?

I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]I guess my question would be why Bela Vista. I'm not sure there's a lot to do there and it's just one neighborhood over from Jardins. Whether you want to discuss "where (you) want to be", Sao Paulo is a massive city and you're likely not going to be walking from one place to another.

Twitter girls are fine, but as has been discussed here Gpguia is a good review site for freelance escorts. If you don't speak Portuguese, it takes some curiosity and intuition to understand it. It can be done though.

Their new President has closed almost every monger place.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2269215]Argentina has the most beautiful women in the entire Americas. Go to Buenos Aires and post a trip report here; you'll be forgiven.[/QUOTE]

It's still a mystery why BA has died off to this extent. When I was there, Hooks and Cattos were still alive but clearly circling the drain. There were a couple prives I went to but nothing compelling. I finally hooked up with tejanolibre, a dude like ABG who helped me out with some hot Indy's. I also went over to Jackson's house where he would have parties with strippers and hot girls. You could hook it up later.

But to hear guys tell it, the heyday of Madahos and Blacks rivaled that of Help. You mean to tell me that all that hot pussy just disappeared? There must be an underground scene that we can't acess but perusing the hooker websites doesn't seem to show anything remarkable. The Argentina board is pretty dead but you can get ahold to tejano liber there still. We had a mutual friend who passed last year so I heard from him. Deathmanrulz also posts a bit too.

Which is another way to say that we shouldn't sleep on a place like Scandallo. For all it's faults it could disappear tomorrow. Carpe diem baby.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2269285]Their new President has closed almost every monger place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2269357]But to hear guys tell it, the heyday of Madahos and Blacks rivaled that of Help. You mean to tell me that all that hot pussy just disappeared? There must be an underground scene that we can't acess but perusing the hooker websites doesn't seem to show anything remarkable.[/QUOTE]When I was in BA, I used the following resources:

[URL]http://www.foroescortsar.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.bairesgirls.net[/URL]

[URL]http://www.todomasajes.net/page00.htm[/URL]

The first one is the local forum for doing research. The other two are listings. I was able to connect with several girls who invite people like me to their rooms to do things for money. Generally very positive experience.

Yes there are lots of girls there, and it's insane that there isn't anything going in the BA section of this site.

[QUOTE=Rxylirate;2269072]Excited to be heading out to sao Paulo for the first time. I've done my research and I'm pretty picky so I'm planning to pick up girls from Scandallo and Cesaroa. Few questions for the regulars:

1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?

2. Anyone have any experience with AirBnb and girls coming over? Would hotel be a better option?

3. Since Scandallo and Cesario are downtown (ish) do they still have a good selection on Saturday and Sunday? I've looked at google maps and it seems to be busier on the weekdays than the weekends (even Saturday!) which I thought was odd.

I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.

Oh and I prefer spinner type ladies so if they tend to congregate somewhere let me know![/QUOTE]First thing — it's Casarao. And it's pronounced that way too Casa Rao. Like house of Rao.

I was at Scandalo on a Saturday night and there was plenty to choose from. Probably 50 girls whic apparently is lame compared to mid week but it was plenty for me. Then at Casarao at 4 AM that same night there were easily 50 girls there. It's a small space so packed with bodies at 4 AM!

You should try BomBoa also — supposedly Scandalo level but different vibe.

For an incall or outcall do yourself a favor and stop researching. Go look up Mary Ninfeta on photoacompanates. She is beautiful and gives a BBBJ that will rock your world. Passionate kisser too. Guaranteed home run imo.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2269284]I guess my question would be why Bela Vista. I'm not sure there's a lot to do there and it's just one neighborhood over from Jardins. Whether you want to discuss "where (you) want to be", Sao Paulo is a massive city and you're likely not going to be walking from one place to another.

Twitter girls are fine, but as has been discussed here Gpguia is a good review site for freelance escorts. If you don't speak Portuguese, it takes some curiosity and intuition to understand it. It can be done though.[/QUOTE]Hey,

Thanks for the tip. I've checked out that site and it is a bit intimidating since I don't speak Portuguese. The girls also didn't seem that impressive to me but I know pics sometimes don't do justice. My Spanish is intermediate level but it doesn't really help that much. I think I can make out some words and understand a little bit but it's not ideal. I will take a crash course in basic Portuguese before my trip.

As for why Bela Vista, the Airbnb I'm looking at is about equidistant from Casarao and Scandalo which is ideal since I don't know which I will prefer yet. It's also relatively close to shopping center and public transport if I decide to take it. I usually just uber everywhere but it's nice to have the option. Is Jardin really that much better neighborhood wise?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2269427]First thing it's Casarao. And it's pronounced that way too Casa Rao. Like house of Rao.

I was at Scandalo on a Saturday night and there was plenty to choose from. Probably 50 girls whic apparently is lame compared to mid week but it was plenty for me. Then at Casarao at 4 AM that same night there were easily 50 girls there. It's a small space so packed with bodies at 4 AM!

You should try BomBoa also supposedly Scandalo level but different vibe.

For an incall or outcall do yourself a favor and stop researching. Go look up Mary Ninfeta on photoacompanates. She is beautiful and gives a BBBJ that will rock your world. Passionate kisser too. Guaranteed home run imo.[/QUOTE]Casa Rao. Nice. Thanks for that. I looked up your girl and her twitter is something else LOL. She's got a picture of her and a client with pillows covering his face and his limp dick just hanging off to the side. She is a little thick for my taste but I may partake since she seems like a lot of fun / would provide good service.

I will definitely look into Bomboa. More options are always welcome. Thanks for the tip!

Kind of a bummer and quite odd that these places are busier on the weekdays. Are people going somewhere else on the weekend? Do the girls work during the week and take the weekend off? So backwards. Can't even wrap my head around why.

[QUOTE=Rxylirate;2269467]Casa Rao. Nice. Thanks for that. I looked up your girl and her twitter is something else LOL. She's got a picture of her and a client with pillows covering his face and his limp dick just hanging off to the side. She is a little thick for my taste but I may partake since she seems like a lot of fun / would provide good service.

I will definitely look into Bomboa. More options are always welcome. Thanks for the tip!

Kind of a bummer and quite odd that these places are busier on the weekdays. Are people going somewhere else on the weekend? Do the girls work during the week and take the weekend off? So backwards. Can't even wrap my head around why.[/QUOTE]Mary is definitely not thick. She is really petite. Just has a really big set of naturals. But the rest of her is nicely small. Not athletic and skinny but definitely not thick. I did ALOT of Gpguia research before picking her. It will be really tough to find someone better.

Don't worry about the girl count. If you haven't been to Scandalo on the weekday there is nothing to compare it to. And if you compare to other worldwide venues in Russia, Thailand, Germany Etc I still put it right at the top. You will NOT be disappointed.

Finally on location. Don't sweat the exact location that much. You don't want to walk at night. And Uber is ridiculously cheap. Like if you spend $9 on a ride I will be amazed. Just pick a nice spot and Uber it from there.

Hooks, Cattos, Blacks, and Madahoes Closed.

They are still chicas on the Streets.

The Chicas can not hang out in Cafe Excedra anymore.

The House that Jackson was running has been sold.

TejanoLibre can still help you guys, if you want to go.

[URL]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?8593-Tour-guide[/URL]

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2269357]It's still a mystery why BA has died off to this extent. When I was there, Hooks and Cattos were still alive but clearly circling the drain. There were a couple prives I went to but nothing compelling. I finally hooked up with tejanolibre, a dude like ABG who helped me out with some hot Indy's. I also went over to Jackson's house where he would have parties with strippers and hot girls. You could hook it up later.

But to hear guys tell it, the heyday of Madahos and Blacks rivaled that of Help. You mean to tell me that all that hot pussy just disappeared? There must be an underground scene that we can't access but perusing the hooker websites doesn't seem to show anything remarkable. The Argentina board is pretty dead but you can get ahold to tejano liber there still. We had a mutual friend who passed last year so I heard from him. Deathmanrulz also posts a bit too.

Which is another way to say that we shouldn't sleep on a place like Scandallo. For all it's faults it could disappear tomorrow. Carpe diem baby.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rxylirate;2269460]......I've checked out that site and it is a bit intimidating since I don't speak Portuguese. The girls also didn't seem that impressive to me but I know pics sometimes don't do justice. My Spanish is intermediate level but it doesn't really help that much. I think I can make out some words and understand a little bit but it's not ideal. I will take a crash course in basic Portuguese before my trip.

As for why Bela Vista, the Airbnb I'm looking at is about equidistant from Casarao and Scandalo which is ideal since I don't know which I will prefer yet. It's also relatively close to shopping center and public transport if I decide to take it. I usually just uber everywhere but it's nice to have the option. Is Jardin really that much better neighborhood wise?[/QUOTE]I don't want to oversell Jardins, but for me it offers the most daytime activities. It's also where I have done business. As it reminds people of Manhattan, it's also more expensive for lodging. There's nothing wrong with Bela Vista particularly if you are staying in the Southern part close to Avenida Paulista and the Metro line. While there might be logic to staying directly between Scandallo and Casarao, it's also kind of arbitrary in a way. It reminds me of a poster a few months ago who was determined to stay near Scandallo. Now that was a bad idea. I will defer to Steve9696's comment "Don't sweat the exact location that much".

Gpguia just takes some curiosity. I am an advocate of don't fall in love with photos, but that puts me in an obvious minority. So I first look for acompanhantes (escorts) on Gpguia with many positive TDs. TDs are Test Drives. (Don't say Brazilian mongers don't have a sense of humor.) While the prices aren't always accurately noted, I don't spend a lot of time looking at escorts at R200 or less. I find the more attractive escorts are charging 350-400 per hour sometimes 90 minutes. I don't speak Portuguese very well, but I have figured out some of the words for face, breasts, ass, attitude, blowjob without condom, anal, etc. From there, I go to look at photos on a website and now more often Twitter. If you insist to shop from photos, a tip for finding reviews is to search for the phone number if you can't find the name (girls change their names especially below average performers). That opens up a separate discussion on how to register an account.

By the way, Sao Paulo incall escorts are concentrated in Jardins and Moema. If you have particular types, I might be able to recommend some escorts. You know blonde or brunette, natural or silicone, thin or thick, tall or thin.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2269716]Mary is definitely not thick. She is really petite. Just has a really big set of naturals. But the rest of her is nicely small. Not athletic and skinny but definitely not thick. I did ALOT of Gpguia research before picking her. It will be really tough to find someone better.[/QUOTE]I have not met Mary, but based on her photos Mary is not thick. By Brazilian standards, she might be considered thin. Mary is a pretty, fairer morena Brasileira.

Of course, Sao Paulo offers a wide variety of women and you will be able to find skinny, model types, but those Brazilian models you see gracing the runways are not the prototypical Brasileira form.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2269427]
For an incall or outcall do yourself a favor and stop researching. Go look up Mary Ninfeta on photoacompanates. She is beautiful and gives a BBBJ that will rock your world. Passionate kisser too. Guaranteed home run imo.[/QUOTE]Is this the one with the number ending in 4771?

Nevermind, found her on twitter. Nice

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2269839]Is this the one with the number ending in 4771?

Nevermind, found her on twitter. Nice[/QUOTE]Yeah, good Twitter feed, but those pics do tend to make her look thicker. Just google "Mary ninfeta photoacompanhantes" and go there. The pics there show her figure much better. I would say these add 10 pounds also. She is a really petite girl. No more than 5' 1" I would say. You can also see her reviews.

By the way, her headline says ""adoro leitinho na boca" which means "love milk in mouth" (CIM) and she ain't lying. When I shot my load, she swallowed it all and then flashed that thousand watt smile like it was the best thing she'd had all day!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2269772]I don't want to oversell Jardins, but for me it offers the most daytime activities. It's also where I have done business. As it reminds people of Manhattan, it's also more expensive for lodging. There's nothing wrong with Bela Vista particularly if you are staying in the Southern part close to Avenida Paulista and the Metro line. While there might be logic to staying directly between Scandallo and Casarao, it's also kind of arbitrary in a way. It reminds me of a poster a few months ago who was determined to stay near Scandallo. Now that was a bad idea. I will defer to Steve9696's comment "Don't sweat the exact location that much".

Gpguia just takes some curiosity. I am an advocate of don't fall in love with photos, but that puts me in an obvious minority. So I first look for acompanhantes (escorts) on Gpguia with many positive TDs. TDs are Test Drives. (Don't say Brazilian mongers don't have a sense of humor.) While the prices aren't always accurately noted, I don't spend a lot of time looking at escorts at R200 or less. I find the more attractive escorts are charging 350-400 per hour sometimes 90 minutes. I don't speak Portuguese very well, but I have figured out some of the words for face, breasts, ass, attitude, blowjob without condom, anal, etc. From there, I go to look at photos on a website and now more often Twitter. If you insist to shop from photos, a tip for finding reviews is to search for the phone number if you can't find the name (girls change their names especially below average performers)..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the follow up and great info Wyatt. I'm always up for recommendations. Especially since twitter only recommends a few girls at a time based on what / who you've followed before. I like thinner looking girls (hair color doesn't really matter to me although I do like soft curls) and prefer natural but I'm fine with plastic as long as they have a certain type of figure and are gentle on the eyes face wise. For example this girl Rafa Colletti "rafaellaclub" on twitter is one that I am planning to call during my trip. Just got pretty aroused just looking at her pics again. Not a big fan of tats but otherwise near perfect IMO.

I may dig through Gpguia again when I have a chance. The bit about looking at prices is a good tip. Thanks for that.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2269852]Yeah, good Twitter feed, but those pics do tend to make her look thicker. Just google "Mary ninfeta photoacompanhantes" and go there. The pics there show her figure much better. I would say these add 10 pounds also. She is a really petite girl. No more than 5' 1" I would say. You can also see her reviews.

By the way, her headline says ""adoro leitinho na boca" which means "love milk in mouth" (CIM) and she ain't lying. When I shot my load, she swallowed it all and then flashed that thousand watt smile like it was the best thing she'd had all day![/QUOTE]Her height may be why she looks a little thick. You've convinced me though. I will probably get in touch with her when I'm in town.

Not necessarily in response to anything you've said but what is the condom usage like in Brazil (particularly in Sao Paulo and Rio)? Do most providers insist on using condoms? I am 100% clean and plan to stay that way but I do enjoy the true GFE and always take it if offered. I know it is a touchy subject but I do take necessary precautions such as being on Prep and being cut (vasectomy). For the record that stuff makes you nauseous as all get out but worth it to me.

I made a Map of most places.

Let us know if there are any changes or if they are closed or open?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-Map[/URL]

Ok friends, I plan on going to Buenos Aires during the middle of my Sao Paolo trip. I know it sucks there, but since I'm just 2 hours flight away and $250 US round trip airfare. I just got to see the city and the sucky mongering scene since I'm so close by. But the point of this post is. Does my 10 night itinerary look all right.

Fri Jan 25 land 1030 pm GRU airport. Stay at Moema Mercure hotel since they are chica friendly. Go to Casarao at 1 am and enjoy.

Sat Jan 26 1 pm visit to Tangara massage.

Sat Jan 26 11 pm visit to Casarao.

Sun Jan 27 - incall or outcall with a whatsapp contact / independent provider. Feel free to PM me an awesome whatsapp contact, or 2 or 3, or 5. Hopefully one of them is available that Sunday.

Fly to Buenos Aires Sun night to Tue afternoon. I will see the nacho libre guy. (actually tejanolibre is his handle name).

Tues Jan 29 - go to Scandallo 11 pm (scandallo is better on weeknights).

Wed Jan 30 - see an independent or twitter or whatsapp contact in the afternoon.

Wed Jan 30 - go to Bomboa 11 pm (bomboa is better on weeknights).

Thurs to Sunday. Go to Iguaza Falls.

Sun Feb 3 - Brooklin Massage or Tangara at 1 pm.

Sun Feb 3 - Sunday night. See a independent / twitter / whatsapp contact before I flyhome next morning.

I've got a couple of weird questions.

A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).

Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?

See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?

The. And if anything sounds like a bad idea in my 10 night itinerary feel free to let me know what might be better idea.

E. also I'm down to meet anybody for drinks or quick bite to eat somewhere or someone to go to Scandallo or Casarao with.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2270166]I made a Map of most places.

Let us know if there are any changes or if they are closed or open?

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-Map[/URL][/QUOTE]There has been SP maps made previously. Yours is full of errors. Why do it at all when you do not have personal knowledge of locations and places? At least do your part properly, so the others can add information but not made corrections but if you not know anything, just leave it. Multiple location errors (area), non existing place added, one popular clinica is missing, wrong price written, wrong opening hours written.

My Suggestion is to go to Iguazu Falls from B. A. See both sides of the falls from the top and then
take the boat trip close to the bottom of the falls, and fly from there to back to Sao Paulo.

You should save a day of flying that way.

[QUOTE=Rxylirate;2269467]Kind of a bummer and quite odd that these places are busier on the weekdays. Are people going somewhere else on the weekend? Do the girls work during the week and take the weekend off? So backwards. Can't even wrap my head around why.[/QUOTE]The reason is pretty simple. Sao Paulo is a city of commerce, the center of all commerce in Brazil. Every week businessmen from all over Brazil and other countries arrive in Sao Paulo for several days of work. Many arrive on Monday and leave on Friday afternoon. They have money to spend. Their nights to play are Tue-Wed-Thursday. On Friday they leave. That explains the T-W-T peak.

What about locals you ask? The big clubs are just too expensive for most locals who also have much cheaper options available to them. Some locals naturally will visit the big clubs once in a while but weekends are usually for girlfriends or wives. Clinicas and Casarao are open on weekends for those who have free time and $.

Furthermore, its a self reinforcing cycle. Everyone knows the big clubs are better T-W-T so everyone plans to go then if possible. Additionally, there is no advantage to going to these clubs when they are not busy because the girls are not going to "be on sale" just because there are fewer clients.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2270181]Ok friends, I plan on going to Buenos Aires during the middle of my Sao Paolo trip. I know it sucks there, but since I'm just 2 hours flight away and $250 US round trip airfare. I just got to see the city and the sucky mongering scene since I'm so close by. But the point of this post is. Does my 10 night itinerary look all right.

Fri Jan 25 land 1030 pm GRU airport. Stay at Moema Mercure hotel since they are chica friendly. Go to Casarao at 1 am and enjoy.

Sat Jan 26 1 pm visit to Tangara massage.

Sat Jan 26 11 pm visit to Casarao.

Sun Jan 27 - incall or outcall with a whatsapp contact / independent provider. Feel free to PM me an awesome whatsapp contact, or 2 or 3, or 5. Hopefully one of them is available that Sunday.

Fly to Buenos Aires Sun night to Tue afternoon. I will see the nacho libre guy. (actually tejanolibre is his handle name).

Tues Jan 29 - go to Scandallo 11 pm (scandallo is better on weeknights).

Wed Jan 30 - see an independent or twitter or whatsapp contact in the afternoon.

Wed Jan 30 - go to Bomboa 11 pm (bomboa is better on weeknights).

Thurs to Sunday. Go to Iguaza Falls.

Sun Feb 3 - Brooklin Massage or Tangara at 1 pm.

Sun Feb 3 - Sunday night. See a independent / twitter / whatsapp contact before I flyhome next morning.

I've got a couple of weird questions.

A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).

Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?

See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?

The. And if anything sounds like a bad idea in my 10 night itinerary feel free to let me know what might be better idea.

E. also I'm down to meet anybody for drinks or quick bite to eat somewhere or someone to go to Scandallo or Casarao with.[/QUOTE]Sounds like mostly a marvelous plan. Just keep in mind 11 is still pretty early in SP. LOL. It will get busier later.

I was at a Mercure in campinas and they made them register and charged a 25 R fee per girl (was a duo). I'the be surprised if you didn't have to register er her.

I would guess the airport ATM is still open. Key tip worldwide is a lot of ATMs in airports ask if you want them to do the currency conversion. They present this as the primary choice. It is always a bad deal. Take the option that is your home bank doing the conversion and you will get market rate.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2270229]The reason is pretty simple. Sao Paulo is a city of commerce, the center of all commerce in Brazil. Every week businessmen from all over Brazil and other countries arrive in Sao Paulo for several days of work. Many arrive on Monday and leave on Friday afternoon. They have money to spend. Their nights to play are Tue-Wed-Thursday. On Friday they leave. That explains the T-W-T peak.

What about locals you ask? The big clubs are just too expensive for most locals who also have much cheaper options available to them. Some locals naturally will visit the big clubs once in a while but weekends are usually for girlfriends or wives. Clinicas and Casarao are open on weekends for those who have free time and $.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's similar to why a top termas like 4 x4 in Centro Rio has always closed on weekends. It's easier for the working boys to play on weekdays. Weekends are for wives, girlfriends and family stuff.

If you actually get all this done, I will salute you and keenly await your report in any case.

You'll be tempted to use the BsAs leg to rest up I think. Or you'll meet a paulista who will enchant you enough to make you forgo the rest of the schedule. There are worse things in life.

But you have hit the main mongering modalities for sure.

I found the food at scandallo to be fairly good. On par with the hotel food I ate at the Hilton and the Intercontinental. Like everything there, not cheap, but you're using up your consumao.

Hb.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2270181]Ok friends, I plan on going to Buenos Aires during the middle of my Sao Paolo trip. I know it sucks there, but since I'm just 2 hours flight away and $250 US round trip airfare. I just got to see the city and the sucky mongering scene since I'm so close by. But the point of this post is. Does my 10 night itinerary look all right.

Fri Jan 25 land 1030 pm GRU airport. Stay at Moema Mercure hotel since they are chica friendly. Go to Casarao at 1 am and enjoy.

Sat Jan 26 1 pm visit to Tangara massage.

Sat Jan 26 11 pm visit to Casarao.

Sun Jan 27 - incall or outcall with a whatsapp contact / independent provider. Feel free to PM me an awesome whatsapp contact, or 2 or 3, or 5. Hopefully one of them is available that Sunday.

Fly to Buenos Aires Sun night to Tue afternoon. I will see the nacho libre guy. (actually tejanolibre is his handle name).

Tues Jan 29 - go to Scandallo 11 pm (scandallo is better on weeknights).

Wed Jan 30 - see an independent or twitter or whatsapp contact in the afternoon.

Wed Jan 30 - go to Bomboa 11 pm (bomboa is better on weeknights).

Thurs to Sunday. Go to Iguaza Falls.

Sun Feb 3 - Brooklin Massage or Tangara at 1 pm.

Sun Feb 3 - Sunday night. See a independent / twitter / whatsapp contact before I flyhome next morning.

I've got a couple of weird questions.

A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).

Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?

See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?

The. And if anything sounds like a bad idea in my 10 night itinerary feel free to let me know what might be better idea.

E. also I'm down to meet anybody for drinks or quick bite to eat somewhere or someone to go to Scandallo or Casarao with.[/QUOTE]

I am curious, what motivates someone to boastfully claim they going to henceforth ignore a forum because it offers them nothing and then slinks back several months later to resume sniping?

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2270181]A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).[/QUOTE]FWIW the bathrooms in Scandalo have dental floss and mouthwash dispensers. As do many high end eateries in SP.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2270181]Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?

See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?[/QUOTE]There's a bradesco bank with atms that you can pillage (that's how google translates that Portuguese word, not even kidding) with a foreign ATM card. At least mine worked in it. It's right across the street from Mercure. Av. Ibirapuera, 2220 - Indianópolis, São Paulo. SP, 04029-000.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2270300]If you actually get all this done, I will salute you and keenly await your report in any case.

You'll be tempted to use the BsAs leg to rest up I think. Or you'll meet a paulista who will enchant you enough to make you forgo the rest of the schedule. There are worse things in life.

But you have hit the main mongering modalities for sure.

I found the food at scandallo to be fairly good. On par with the hotel food I ate at the Hilton and the Intercontinental. Like everything there, not cheap, but you're using up your consumao.

Hb.[/QUOTE]I didn't need any food to blow through my consumable. Some drinks for me and some for my girls and poof it was gone. It's expensive but great fun. And when you compare worldwide value it actually isn't even expensive!

So, now tell which places are wrong, so we can help everyone.

Yes, I have been to Brazil many times, but I never have been to Sao Paulo.

I usually like to make a list of places, so I don't go to places that are closed when I get there.
I have been to 74 countries. I have maps and list for lots of them to help us all.

My friend use to write directions on napkins. They were hard to read, so I decide to make Lists and then maps

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2270200]There has been SP maps made previously. Yours is full of errors. Why do it at all when you do not have personal knowledge of locations and places? At least do your part properly, so the others can add information but not made corrections but if you not know anything, just leave it. Multiple location errors (area), non existing place added, one popular clinica is missing, wrong price written, wrong opening hours written.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2270540]So, now tell which places are wrong, so we can help everyone.

Yes, I have been to Brazil many times, but I never have been to Sao Paulo.

I usually like to make a list of places, so I don't go to places that are closed when I get there.
I have been to 74 countries. I have maps and list for lots of them to help us all.

My friend use to write directions on napkins. They were hard to read, so I decide to make Lists and then maps[/QUOTE]He's unhappy, because his favourite clinica is missing; Clinica Enjoy Spa, Rua Condessa do Pinhal, 279.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2270540]I have been to 74 countries. I have maps and lists for lots of them to help us all.[/QUOTE]You've got me beat WT69. You have to turn your total around to get to my current total of 47, but hopefully I'm not finished yet. The rest of us world travelers appreciate your effort over the years. Keep it up! The best and most useful So Paulo map I have ever seen was created by Nordico. Wish he would make it available always for all Sampa mongers.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2270302]I am curious, what motivates someone to boastfully claim they going to henceforth ignore a forum because it offers them nothing and then slinks back several months later to resume sniping?[/QUOTE]Just misses dishing out his misery on others, LOL.

I simply ignore his babble.

P.S., thanks WorldTravel69 for your good work over the years!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2270575]Just misses dishing out his misery on others, LOL.

I simply ignore his babble.

P.S., thanks WorldTravel69 for your good work over the years![/QUOTE]Traveller44 has the dubious distinction of being only one of two people I block on ISG. Heck I don't even block MonkeyPaw and he is a complete douche!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2270577] Heck I don't even block MonkeyPaw and he is a complete douche![/QUOTE]I can see how his online persona may give you that impression, but I also observe that none of the senior members that meet him in person say anything negative about him.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2270680]I can see how his online persona may give you that impression, but I also observe that none of the senior members that meet him in person say anything negative about him.[/QUOTE]I have no doubt he is great fun to be with. But he disrespects the girls and takes satisfaction in the humiliation of others. And it is those behaviors, not his planet- sized ego that makes him a douche.

Back to São Paulo topics now! Sorry for the diversion.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2270302]I am curious, what motivates someone to boastfully claim they going to henceforth ignore a forum because it offers them nothing and then slinks back several months later to resume sniping?[/QUOTE]Well, I also have to ask why I have this feeling that this forum (and others on ISG) are being overrun by inexperienced teenagers acting out their fantasies online?

I got to say you boys raised my curiosity so I did a search on our colleague Monkey Paw. I love MP's grandiosity in applying illeism. I have to thank a poster for the word "illeism" when he called out Monkey Paw for such action. Let's just say Seinfeld fans remember Jimmy at the health club in referring to his attraction to Elaine. "Jimmy is pretty sweet on you. You're just Jimmy's type." (Illeism is the act of referring to oneself in the third person instead of first person.).

Having said that, Marshall Earp thinks Monkey Paw has to be one of the coolest and most original handles on this or any forum.

1) Visa.

- [URL]https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/brazil/online/[/URL].

- self-service, straightforward process, printable visa emailed next day.

2) Getting in.

- Wild variety of prices. I found a special fare from Florida for $400, plus tickets to get to Florida. All in was way cheaper than the tickets from my town.

- Customs / immigration basically a non-event. Only question was how long would I be staying. But printed visa checked before boarding and at the immigration.

3) Getting around.

- Uber from the airport was 80 reals (22).

- Uber around town. Most were in the 10-15 reals range, cheapest was 8, most expensive was 25 reals (from downtown and with some surge pricing).

- Subway. Took it a few times when it made sense (I was right next to the station), costs 4 reals, so with uber pricing being around 10-12 it's not worth making the effort.

4) Hotel.

- The highly recommended Mercure Moema on Av Lavandisca.

- Rooms have balconies and living rooms, which is absolutely awesome for stays of longer than a day or two.

- Safe neighborhood, a few supermarkets within 2-3 blocks, bars, cafes, restaurants, etc. And very walkable, I was walking around even after dark as long as there are people, which there usually are.

5) Shopping, money, and communications.

- The expensive "24 hour ATM" limits withdrawals to 1000 reals and there's a crazy fee. Something like 30 reals or so, I don't remember.

- Normal ATMs are available at banks, but look for the Visa / Mastercard logo. Not all ATMs have it. I found Bradesco and Itai banks both have normal ATMs with the limit of 2500 reals and no fees on their end.

- Shopping center at Av. Ibirapuera, 3103 - Indianópolis, São Paulo. SP, 04029-200 - is your one stop shop for money and a sim card (and a cup of coffee if you go to the basement) - but only during working hours.

- There's a bradesco bank on the third floor (I think it's called 2nd floor in Brazilian) with normal ATMs. Didn't find any normal ATMs on the first floor (T in Brazilian).

- TWO VIVO shops, one on the second floor, another on the third. The one on the second floor is useless. They sent me to the third floor because only that shop can activate a sim card with a passport only, without a Brazilian document.

- The third floor (the top floor) Vivo shop is well-staffed, there's a girl named Bianca who speaks English, and the store manager is rather helpful. Bring in your unlocked cell phone, a passport (a copy would not do, they need the original) and after 30 minutes of them typing ferociously you'll end up with an activated and tested sim card. The cost for the card is 12 reals, then a data+voice plan costs between 7 and 20 reals per week depending on your needs and current promotions. Overall, it takes time but it's not a hassle at all.

6) There are free walking tours, museums that are free on Saturdays, free roof access to a tall building downtown, etc etc. A nice city. Hot but not super hot. I would turn on the air conditioner for about an hour to cool down the bedroom before sleeping, but I would just keep the balcony door open and enjoy the fresh air in the living room.

7) Food is kinda expensive. But fresh juices are a great bargain at 5-6-7 reals. Beef is good, I prefer Brazilian-style to Argentinian. The latter is way too soft for my liking, I want to be able to chew through my dead cows.

Overall impression:

This city is exactly what I was looking for in my long post. I love it that girls are generally very clean, they shower before and after, BBBJ is the rule and CBJs are the few exceptions. I am not interested in anal so I didn't partake but it was frequently offered for a small surcharge. I cheapskated out every single time.

Also the girls at the clinicas (or at least the ones I picked) are cuddly and huggable within the time constraints. Some of them speak a few words of English. None try to beg for tips or anything like that. Generally payment to the front desk after the deed is done.

Websites:

- gpguia is your friend, and it's spelled gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL]. Need to register which is easy, just use google translate.

- [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL].

- [URL]https://www.massagistascomlocal.com.br[/URL].

- Cross reference those sites with the reviews on gpguia.

I reached out to a few girls but in the end only settled on one named Bianca Lessa. She has a private room downtown. Nice and clean room, nice and clean girl. Very easy to set up an appointment. 230 for 1 hour. BBBJ, CFS, hugging, kissing, etc. Blonde, beautiful curves. Made me very happy. Getting to her building, the guard doesn't speak any English but he basically knows that you're there to visit someone, it's not nuclear science.

Clinicas:

- Awesome awesome awesome. The cheaper versions may not have air conditioner in the rooms, some rooms in Tangara look like they could have used a renovation a century ago, but basically every clinic without exception will have a bed, a shower, a clean towel for you and another for a girl, a clean sheet (they come in a package) and some soap. Some will have the luxuries such as a disposable toothbrush and Listerine.

- Generally the weekday crowd is different from the Sunday lineup, so may be nice to visit the same clinica on a Sunday and on a weekday to see more variety.

- A good strategy is to show up early and sit and wait for the girls to show up, then pick them as they walk in. Helps avoid the cum breath.

The good:

- Tangara 200. I've been there 5 or 6 times. I can't remember the names of the girls but basically all of them did what was expected of them. Caught Harumi one morning, was nice. She's of the MILF age but nice body, soft skin, good tongue work. Price is 100 for half hour. Only once I had to wait as all the rooms were in use.

- Red Massagem Moema 841 - been twice, first time with Maia (very skinny but curvy little girl), second don't remember the name but was also very nice, tall, blonde, babyface. 150 hh / 200 HR / 280 2-girl special. Recently renovated, nice place.

- clinica donna Avenida Ceci, 2228 - Planalto Paulista. Had a tall black girl. 120 for the hour. Likewise, good attitude, good service. But no air conditioner.

- Right across the street is clinica nova ceci. Ceci 2189 - I think 150 hh / 200 HR but not 100% sure. Went twice, first time with a girl named Jack (from the weekday crew), second time on a Sunday a girl named Cloe. Young brown-ish, speaks some English. Both good, hugging, kissing, GFE, BBBJ, good attitude.

The bad:

- Brooklin (Joaquin Guarani, 121) - more than 200 for half hour, CBJ, asked for the money up front.

- shaolin massages are. Antônio de Macedo Soares, 1589 - CBJ, 200, asked for the money up front.

- Prime (Irai 511) - the girl didn't want to do BBBJ, also this was the only place that charged me a full hour for being a little over 30 minutes. Apparently to get the 30 minute price I should have told the receptionist that I only want 30 minutes. Which I didn't. Still, no big loss, and I'm not going back.

- CLínica Nova Pan. Rua Pan-Americana, 139 - not really bad but it's a small place, they only had 2 girls available when I walked in and I liked neither of them. Would return to check them out again in a pinch. They are about 5 minutes walk from Avenida Ceci.

Boates / strip clubs: I didn't even bother. Since I discovered the clinicas, seems to be a waste of money. I don't like the noise, I don't do booze, and I don't like girls wearing heavy makeup.

Basically the clinicas are closer to FKK rather than partytreff. There's no public sex (I am neutral about it, I don't mind doing things in the open but it doesn't particularly turn me on either) and there's no flat rate, but for example a typical partytreff day pass would cost me 100 eur. That's 425 reals. That's 4 sessions at Tangara plus a round-trip Uber. I was much younger when I was able to do more than 4 at a partytreff, so considering that usually I can do 1 or 2 at Tangara, the value proposition is perfect.

I'll be around town for a few more days, if you'd like me to check out a clinic do let me know, I have a few on my list left to visit but basically I'm open. As long as they are in a reasonable part of town, preferably near Moema.

Thanks for the thorough and useful research FRobertson. I am more a Boate guy, but your broad net and excellent info is appreciated by all. Bravo!

Awesome awesome awesome trip summary and tips. Perfect timing for my Jan 25 arrival to SP. Items I found most useful:

6) There are free walking tours, museums that are free on Saturdays, free roof access to a tall building downtown, etc etc.

3) Getting around. - Uber from the airport was 80 reals (22). - Uber around town. Most were in the 10-15 reals range, cheapest was 8, most expensive was 25 reals (from downtown and with some surge pricing).

4) Hotel. - The highly recommended Mercure Moema on Av Lavandisca.

- The expensive "24 hour ATM" limits withdrawals to 1000 reals and there's a crazy fee. Something like 30 reals or so, I don't remember. - Normal ATMs are available at banks, but look for the Visa / Mastercard logo. Not all ATMs have it. I found Bradesco and Itai banks both have normal ATMs with the limit of 2500 reals and no fees on their end.

The bad:- Brooklin (Joaquin Guarani, 121) - more than 200 for half hour, CBJ, asked for the money up front.

- Generally the weekday crowd is different from the Sunday lineup, so may be nice to visit the same clinica on a Sunday and on a weekday to see more variety.

- A good strategy is to show up early and sit and wait for the girls to show up, then pick them as they walk in. Helps avoid the cum breath.

-I reached out to a few girls but in the end only settled on one named Bianca Lessa.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2271534]- Subway. Took it a few times when it made sense (I was right next to the station), costs 4 reals, so with uber pricing being around 10-12 it's not worth making the effort.


5) Shopping, money, and communications.

- The expensive "24 hour ATM" limits withdrawals to 1000 reals and there's a crazy fee. Something like 30 reals or so, I don't remember.

- Normal ATMs are available at banks, but look for the Visa / Mastercard logo. Not all ATMs have it. I found Bradesco and Itai banks both have normal ATMs with the limit of 2500 reals and no fees on their end.

- Shopping center at Av. Ibirapuera, 3103 - Indianpolis, So Paulo. SP, 04029-200 - is your one stop shop for money and a sim card (and a cup of coffee if you go to the basement) - but only during working hours.

- There's a bradesco bank on the third floor (I think it's called 2nd floor in Brazilian) with normal ATMs. Didn't find any normal ATMs on the first floor (T in Brazilian).[/QUOTE]Good information in the post. I am only commenting on these parts above.

As you mention Uber is generally the best option. I only use subway when traffic is at a standstill or I am going sufficiently far to make the subway significantly cheaper.

RE banks and ATMs.

My recommendation is to ONLY use the ATMs in bank branches that have visible security guards, or in the shopping malls. This is to avoid ATMs that have been hacked. I suppose the airport ATMs are OK, but that is just a guess.

You are correct that you have to look for an ATM that supports your foreign bank card's network. Your card will indicate its supported networks. As for fees that is complicated subject. I use Schwab bank because they "reimburse" ATM fees.

You list Bradesco and Itau (its Itau not Itai BTW). My experience is that Bradesco is pretty good with foreign card networks like Plus and Cirrus but they "did" have a per withdrawal limit that "was" lower than Santander. Therefore for the last 2 years I have been using Santander which allows a withdrawal up to 1500 reais. Santander does charge a fee, but like I said, in my case it is reimbursed by Schwabb. There is a Santander on the first floor of Shopping Ibirapuera. However. Very important. Not all of the ATMs in a given branch will support the full range of networks. In the Shopping Ibirapuera Santander for example, only the two ATMs on the far left support foreign networks, they are the ones with the Banco 24 Hours sticker on them. The other ATMs in the same branch will say "your card is not supported" . Very confusing. Also, this sticker "banco 24 Hours" is not be confused with the free standing Banco 24 hours machines that you see in gasoline stations and convenience stores. Avoid those machines like the plague as those are often hacked. I am referring to Santander "machines" that also support the banco 24 "network" - those are OK when they are in Santander bank branches with security. Not all bank branches are equal. I have been cloned 3 times in Brazil. The last 2 times were at Bradesco branches that I had used many times without problem. Both were free standing branches, both had security during the day but at night and weekends there is no visible security and hackers can do their dirty work. After this I have stuck to the branches in shopping centers whenever possible as the security is more visible and they are less unattended. But this is "general" rule, there is no sure thing in Brazil.

Also, I was surprised that Itau worked for you. I have not tried Itau in a long time. I know it did not work for me years ago, so I never tried again.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2271542]

- Generally the weekday crowd is different from the Sunday lineup, so may be nice to visit the same clinica on a Sunday and on a weekday to see more variety.


The good:

- Tangara 200. I've been there 5 or 6 times. I can't remember the names of the girls but basically all of them did what was expected of them. Caught Harumi one morning, was nice. She's of the MILF age but nice body, soft skin, good tongue work. Price is 100 for half hour. Only once I had to wait as all the rooms were in use.[/QUOTE]Correct information but I can add some extra detail.

Yes, Sundays have different lineups at the ones that are open on Sunday because they allow "free lancers" to show up and work. And the regular "staff" may or may not work, so Sunday (Saturday at Brooklin also) differ frm M-F.

Brooklin. Was amongst the cheapest, now they are more expensive. As mentioned many times, things are subject to change. Prices at Brooklin NOW are as follows:

1 HR.

Dinheiro: 250.

Cartão: 270.

1/2.

Dinheiro: 220.

Cartão: 240.

Four hands.

Dinheiro: 350.

Cartão: 370.

Clinica Donna is new and only a few doors down from Nova Ceci so you might as well check them both out together. Donna is new, nice management, cheap, but with only about 5 girls in lineup max. Still, if you are on the street, its worth a look.

Moema Prime. Despite your "bad" rating I would encourage others to visit Moema Prime and judge for themselves. Normally, the reception is the most friendly. You have to understand 30 minutes is a very short time and including 2 showers it will pass fast. Prime generally has a large lineup 8-15 girls with a very "high average". It just opened in 2018 and has great facilities. It is my #1 recommendation in Moema.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2271542]Basically the clinicas are closer to FKK rather than partytreff.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree with the others. Very nice report! However, I do take issue with this one piece that you wrote in that there is really not much of anything about the clinica experience that is like a German FKK, or Brazilian termas for that matter. For anybody who has been to neither, I would not want them to be misled. In my view, a clinica is much more like the traditional brothel where the girls are paraded out in front of you, you pick one, and then you go fuck. This is in no way like the FKK (or termas) experience, which I much prefer over the clinica. Just to be clear so that guys don't get the wrong idea. Maybe a clinica is closer to an FKK than a partyreff, but both types of set-ups are really not very close to the FKK model at all. Otherwise, outstanding work!

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2271542]I'll be around town for a few more days, if you'd like me to check out a clinic do let me know, I have a few on my list left to visit but basically I'm open. As long as they are in a reasonable part of town, preferably near Moema.[/QUOTE]Great report. Great insight.

I have to check out that massagista site. Some of those women are quite beautiful. How was Bianca Lessa? She looks like she has a pretty face.

Perhaps if you're in the mood, you can pop into Scandallo and just have a meal / drinks. It would be great to hear your perspective.

[QUOTE=Rxylirate;2269072]Excited to be heading out to sao Paulo for the first time. I've done my research and I'm pretty picky so I'm planning to pick up girls from Scandallo and Cesaroa. Few questions for the regulars:

1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?

2. Anyone have any experience with AirBnb and girls coming over? Would hotel be a better option?

3. Since Scandallo and Cesario are downtown (ish) do they still have a good selection on Saturday and Sunday? I've looked at google maps and it seems to be busier on the weekdays than the weekends (even Saturday!) which I thought was odd.

I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.

Oh and I prefer spinner type ladies so if they tend to congregate somewhere let me know![/QUOTE]I got very good experienced with flats rented through AirBnb, the owners never bothered to meet me but they were really helpful. Regarding bringing girls, not problems whatsoever, the girls showed up in the main door, said to the doorman, they go to flat number xx and that's it. In my opinion, Airbnb is much more convenient than Hotels, you could even negotiate the check-in and out.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2271542]Websites:

- gpguia is your friend, and it's spelled gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL]. Need to register which is easy, just use google translate.

- [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL].

- [URL]https://www.massagistascomlocal.com.br[/URL].

- Cross reference those sites with the reviews on gpguia..[/QUOTE]Also check out:

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2271880]Also check out:

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br[/URL][/QUOTE]I have to say great photos, a lot of turnover, some stunners with good reviews and others with mediocre reviews. It might be one of the best websites of the many for Sao Paulo escorts, but I would still do some research.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2271793]...However, I do take issue with this one piece that you wrote in that there is really not much of anything about the clinica experience that is like a German FKK, or Brazilian termas for that matter. For anybody who has been to neither, I would not want them to be misled. In my view, a clinica is much more like the traditional brothel where the girls are paraded out in front of you, you pick one, and then you go fuck. This is in no way like the FKK (or termas) experience, which I much prefer over the clinica. Just to be clear so that guys don't get the wrong idea. Maybe a clinica is closer to an FKK than a partyreff, but both types of set-ups are really not very close to the FKK model at all. Otherwise, outstanding work![/QUOTE]I agree! FKKs are very different from the clinicas, who are more like bordelos. But FKKs can be compared to termas in Rio, albeit a terma is much smaller than the typical FKK. For example, FKK Palace in Frankfurt looks like a terma to some extent.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2271938]I have to say great photos, a lot of turnover, some stunners with good reviews and others with mediocre reviews. It might be one of the best websites of the many for Sao Paulo escorts, but I would still do some research.[/QUOTE]You can find 80-90% of them at any given time at Scandallos.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2271880]Also check out:

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br[/URL][/QUOTE]Clubmodel is worth a look for sure. I think the photos are of the ladies, they are not false photos. However, they are highly professional photo sessions, with make up artists and photoshop. Some of the photos may be several years old and the women may have changed. I recommend googling the phone number to see if the provider has ads elsewhere, particularly on Tinder, where you might less photoshopped images. The ones that also have Tinder will likely have posted a lot of other photos. Another thing to bear in mind is that the Clubmodel ladies are likely to be "established" providers which is probably good for a visitor, as the service is likely to be "reliable" but they may also be a bit "more professional" than the less established ladies. As always YMMV.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2272126]Clubmodel is worth a look for sure. I think the photos are of the ladies, they are not false photos. However, they are highly professional photo sessions, with make up artists and photoshop. Some of the photos may be several years old and the women may have changed. I recommend googling the phone number to see if the provider has ads elsewhere, particularly on Tinder, where you might less photoshopped images. The ones that also have Tinder will likely have posted a lot of other photos. Another thing to bear in mind is that the Clubmodel ladies are likely to be "established" providers which is probably good for a visitor, as the service is likely to be "reliable" but they may also be a bit "more professional" than the less established ladies. As always YMMV.[/QUOTE]Good words of advice.

For clarification, did you mean to say Twitter instead of Tinder? If you did indeed mean Tinder, are working girls aggressively offering themselves on Tinder? Having not used Tinder, how do the Brazilian working girls signal they are acompanhantes?

Twitter seems very liberal in allowing escorts to promote themselves. I think the only thing missing from escorts' Twitter accounts are specific services on offer and price.

Thanks Rovnak.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2272182]Good words of advice.

For clarification, did you mean to say Twitter instead of Tinder? If you did indeed mean Tinder, are working girls aggressively offering themselves on Tinder? Having not used Tinder, how do the Brazilian working girls signal they are acompanhantes?

Twitter seems very liberal in allowing escorts to promote themselves. I think the only thing missing from escorts' Twitter accounts are specific services on offer and price.

Thanks Rovnak.[/QUOTE]I meant Twitter, yes. Thanks for picking that up.

But in fact I have met several semi-pros on Tinder. I saw the Tinder pages for many more than I met, but the ones I met were all good. A lot of them say they are only interested in a sugar daddy. Sugar baby (SD-SB) thing, but I message them (if we match) that I am not interested in banking them but am open to P4P "per encontro" and about 4 out of 5 will be up for that. 1 in 5 will say that they only want a "daddy".

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2272182]Having not used Tinder, how do the Brazilian working girls signal they are acompanhantes? .[/QUOTE]From my experience the working girl's Tinder profile will flat tell you "GP" or "sex for money. " Sometimes you'll see "sugar baby."

Lmfao. Why I love Brasil.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2272289]From my experience the working girl's Tinder profile will flat tell you "GP" or "sex for money. " Sometimes you'll see "sugar baby."[/QUOTE]

I'm actually kind of surprised Tinder allows profiles that include "sex for money". I would think such direct solicitation would cast a cloud over a supposedly legitimate dating app / site.

Note: I must state I have no experience with Tinder.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2272512]I'm actually kind of surprised Tinder allows profiles that include "sex for money". I would think such direct solicitation would cast a cloud over a supposedly legitimate dating app / site.

Note: I must state I have no experience with Tinder.[/QUOTE]I have worked my way through the SP Tinderverse several times for the under 30 age group. Once one has worked through to the point where there are no more girls near you it actually gets better. Because then each day you only see the new girls and there is a much higher percentage of P4P girls in the "daily incremental" listing. That is because the P4P profiles are often denounced and they need to add them again. In my experience I have seldom seen "sex for dinheiro", but I have seen many "Sugar baby", "SB". Occasionally I see "GP", or " , and a lot of time you see the subtler "gosto de homens mais velho" (I like older men) and 'adoro mimos" (I love to be pampered). These latter 2 are tricky as they are not saying explicitly that that are working, so you have to sort of dance your way to the subject or risk insulting them. I usually ask if they are into "encontros casuais" (casual meetings) and some will reply "sou acompanhante" and I say "eu topo" (cool).

In the ambiguous cases I usually look to see if they are including their instagram or not. If they are not including their instagram that is an indicator that they are trying to remain private and are more likely to be working than not.

I just returned from the USA and what a difference between the Tinder profiles there and in Brasil. The USA women, at least the hot looking ones were almost ALL focused on finding men who would spoil them. Most appeared to be self important, materialistic divas. And so many claimed to be owners of their own business or some elite job. The materialism just oozes off of their profiles. The Brasil women on the other hand write "sou simples" (I am simple), looking for honest man, not interested in your car, etc. Different worlds.

Found this one on: [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. Suzuki, she lives five minutes from me.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2271793]Yes, I agree with the others. Very nice report! However, I do take issue with this one piece that you wrote in that there is really not much of anything about the clinica experience that is like a German FKK, or Brazilian termas for that matter. For anybody who has been to neither, I would not want them to be misled. In my view, a clinica is much more like the traditional brothel where the girls are paraded out in front of you, you pick one, and then you go fuck. This is in no way like the FKK (or termas) experience, which I much prefer over the clinica. Just to be clear so that guys don't get the wrong idea. Maybe a clinica is closer to an FKK than a partyreff, but both types of set-ups are really not very close to the FKK model at all. Otherwise, outstanding work![/QUOTE]To me, the meaningful differences between partytreff and FKK are as follows:

- Flat rate vs. Per-session.

- Public vs. Private rooms.

I know there's also this social aspect of hanging out with the girls getting to know them, but as I don't speak neither Brazilian nor any of the European languages the girls in Germany would speak, nor, to be frankly, seek socialization in such environments (or in general), these differences are largely lost on me.

What makes FKK special to you?

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2272613]To me, the meaningful differences between partytreff and FKK are as follows:

- Flat rate vs. Per-session.

- Public vs. Private rooms.

I know there's also this social aspect of hanging out with the girls getting to know them, but as I don't speak neither Brazilian nor any of the European languages the girls in Germany would speak, nor, to be frankly, seek socialization in such environments (or in general), these differences are largely lost on me.

What makes FKK special to you?[/QUOTE]Before you guys get too into this topic it should be restated that there are neither FKKs nor Termas in Sao Paulo and such a discussion in this forum may confuse visitors. Probably should move it.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2272660]Before you guys get too into this topic it should be restated that there are neither FKKs nor Termas in Sao Paulo and such a discussion in this forum may confuse visitors. Probably should move it.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I see you are discussing clinicas not termas. My bad. Carry on.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2272575]Found this one on: [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. Suzuki, she lives five minutes from me.[/QUOTE]Never been a Suzuki fan, but my, oh my, would I love to ride this one.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2272660]Before you guys get too into this topic it should be restated that there are neither FKKs nor Termas in Sao Paulo and such a discussion in this forum may confuse visitors. Probably should move it.[/QUOTE]Agreed, and that's why you saw no response to his question from me (and won't).

Sounds FR like you value in-room time only — so FKK vs Clinica vs Boate vs Brothel will be all the same to you. Others value total experience — that includes both in room and not in room time. And so here the FKK and Boate scene wins. The FKK even more so with massage and sauna and fully naked girls on parade at all times. Nonetheless the SP Boate is good for overall experience. I generally like to enjoy the whole thing so it's not unusual for my in-room time to be half the total time in an FKK or Boate. Most recently in SP and Campinas:

Scandalo — 3. 5 hrs clock time. 1 HR in room time.

Fazendinha — 5 hrs clock time. 2 hrs in room time.

And I had an absolute blast when not in the room. For me it is an important part of the experience. I think HarvestBoi is cut from this same cloth. For you and others, not so much.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2272531]I have worked my way through the SP Tinderverse several times for the under 30 age group. Once one has worked through to the point where there are no more girls near you it actually gets better. Because then each day you only see the new girls and there is a much higher percentage of P4P girls in the "daily incremental" listing. That is because the P4P profiles are often denounced and they need to add them again. In my experience I have seldom seen "sex for dinheiro", but I have seen many "Sugar baby", "SB". Occasionally I see "GP", or " , and a lot of time you see the subtler "gosto de homens mais velho" (I like older men) and 'adoro mimos" (I love to be pampered). These latter 2 are tricky as they are not saying explicitly that that are working, so you have to sort of dance your way to the subject or risk insulting them. I usually ask if they are into "encontros casuais" (casual meetings) and some will reply "sou acompanhante" and I say "eu topo" (cool).

In the ambiguous cases I usually look to see if they are including their instagram or not. If they are not including their instagram that is an indicator that they are trying to remain private and are more likely to be working than not.

I just returned from the USA and what a difference between the Tinder profiles there and in Brasil. The USA women, at least the hot looking ones were almost ALL focused on finding men who would spoil them. Most appeared to be self important, materialistic divas. And so many claimed to be owners of their own business or some elite job. The materialism just oozes off of their profiles. The Brasil women on the other hand write "sou simples" (I am simple), looking for honest man, not interested in your car, etc. Different worlds.[/QUOTE]When I was in Brazil in 2016, I found out too late that Tinder worked there.

Looking through Tinder in Los Angeles is irritating to say the least. If these women were such great catches then they wouldn't be single. It's not just materialism that oozes, it's also narcissism.

I've lost count chick abroad some yacht, in the seat of expensive car or hanging out in some remote area with lavish furnishings. They will take any picture of themselves or have other people take them, all they need is theme music.

One of my specific goals upon returning to Brazil in the near future is to hit Tinder hard, really hard.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2272613]To me, the meaningful differences between partytreff and FKK are as follows:

- Flat rate vs. Per-session.

- Public vs. Private rooms.

I know there's also this social aspect of hanging out with the girls getting to know them, but as I don't speak neither Brazilian nor any of the European languages the girls in Germany would speak, nor, to be frankly, seek socialization in such environments (or in general), these differences are largely lost on me.

What makes FKK special to you?[/QUOTE]I dunno maybe it's different now as I do read the various FKK threads over on the Germany forum. But most of the providers I was with (2007) spoke English. The only one that didn't was a Bulgarian woman I did twice, despite not being able to communicate.

There was a Bulgarian that spoke English but she was pushy.

In fact none of the chicks I banged in Brazil spoke English. Of course a few higher priced escorts do but as I explained in my trip report buried somewhere on here that I had money problems as soon as I landed and couldn't partake.

I won't say communication is overrated because that is precisely the reason I am moving away from P4 P to an LTR. But does it really matter much of both parties no while your there? I'm not fanatical about getting my dick sucked so I don't care if it's covered or not.

I generally K. I. S. S when it comes to sex paid for or not.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2272994]When I was in Brazil in 2016, I found out too late that Tinder worked there.

Looking through Tinder in Los Angeles is irritating to say the least. If these women were such great catches then they wouldn't be single. It's not just materialism that oozes, it's also narcissism.

I've lost count chick abroad some yacht, in the seat of expensive car or hanging out in some remote area with lavish furnishings. They will take any picture of themselves or have other people take them, all they need is theme music.

One of my specific goals upon returning to Brazil in the near future is to hit Tinder hard, really hard.[/QUOTE]Tinder in Brasil is a waste of time. For every 10 chicks you talk to only two will meet you in person. Of the two who meet you in person, one will fuck. This has been my experience over the past almost three years.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2272994]Looking through Tinder in Los Angeles is irritating to say the least. If these women were such great catches then they wouldn't be single. It's not just materialism that oozes, it's also narcissism.

I've lost count chick abroad some yacht, in the seat of expensive car or hanging out in some remote area with lavish furnishings. They will take any picture of themselves or have other people take them, all they need is theme music.[/QUOTE]Haha. Stupid, self-centered chicks posting photos on dating sites of themselves on some rich dude's expensive car or boat or in his expensive house. How self-absorbed do you have to be to not know that is not attractive to other men?

Hi all,

I was wondering if Sao Paulo hotels tend to be guest friendly in general, or if they tend to disallow unregistered guests?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2272575]Found this one on: [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. Suzuki, she lives five minutes from me.[/QUOTE]OMG what a lovely bombshell.

Her figure is ideal for me.

When can I get a Brazilian girl!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2272940]Sounds FR like you value in-room time only so FKK vs Clinica vs Boate vs Brothel will be all the same to you. Others value total experience that includes both in room and not in room time. And so here the FKK and Boate scene wins. The FKK even more so with massage and sauna and fully naked girls on parade at all times. Nonetheless the SP Boate is good for overall experience. I generally like to enjoy the whole thing so it's not unusual for my in-room time to be half the total time in an FKK or Boate. Most recently in SP and Campinas:

Scandalo 3. 5 hrs clock time. 1 HR in room time.

Fazendinha 5 hrs clock time. 2 hrs in room time.

And I had an absolute blast when not in the room. For me it is an important part of the experience. I think HarvestBoi is cut from this same cloth. For you and others, not so much.[/QUOTE]The FKK is even better value than the boate. In the FKK you can hang out from the morning to the next morning. In the boate its only the night time.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2273008]Tinder in Brasil is a waste of time. For every 10 chicks you talk to only two will meet you in person. Of the two who meet you in person, one will fuck. This has been my experience over the past almost three years.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on one's objectives and one's age. I am too old to really appeal to the "hookup" seekers, if there are any. But I do know some younger guys that have done well with Tinder in other cities. It also depends on your degree of chivalry or cold bloodedness. Its true that most of the women are looking for LTRs or at least "dating" and it requires a certain degree of cold bloodedness to mislead them if all the man is interested in is quick sex. I don't like to play that game so I actually look to Tinder primarily for p4 p options that I have not seen on the escort sites. I have found quite a few good options, particularly girls looking for SB SD relationships but who are willing to do 1 off encounters. At least two of my current regulars that I see once a month came from Tinder, they have no ads on escort sites. I have chosen not to see a lot of others, but they were there for the taking. Three is also the "first time" or "semi-pro" aspect to Tinder, chicks who have not done this much.

But, I would agree with you that it may be a waste of time for a visitor in particular as they do not have the time to court the "daters" nor find the P4P ones.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2272512]I'm actually kind of surprised Tinder allows profiles that include "sex for money". I would think such direct solicitation would cast a cloud over a supposedly legitimate dating app / site.

Note: I must state I have no experience with Tinder.[/QUOTE]Meanwhile I was banned from Tinder and no idea why. I was hardly ever on the site. When I wrote them to ask why, they were basically like fuck you. And the bad part about it is they did not tell me I was banned. Every time I tried to sign on I would get an error code. I finally decided to search google for that code and found out it meant I was banned.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2273008]Tinder in Brasil is a waste of time. For every 10 chicks you talk to only two will meet you in person. Of the two who meet you in person, one will fuck. This has been my experience over the past almost three years.[/QUOTE]That is any dating site in general. I would not say it is a waste of time. That is just how picking up chicks work period. It is all statistical. You go up to 10 chicks and ask for their number and only 3 will say yes. Out of those 3 you may go on a date with 2 and only end up fucking 1 or 0. Shit that is how mating works for all animals.

A couple of months ago a dude in the Philippine thread went over with a long list of chicks he had took the time to chat to on sites. All of them ended up flaking in him. That is why I say you better not travel to some far off place with the intention to meet one chick. You better have a back up and a back up to the back up. And your back up to that is to know where you can find the hookers.

Same shit happened to my brother a couple of months ago. He went from Washington DC to Los Angeles to meet a chick that never showed up. I told him he should have fucking known better. If you are going somewhere anyway or if you have a bunch of chicks lined up in a place, but don't make a special trip for 1 chick you have never met. That is the quickest way to get disappointed. 20 years ago when internet dating was new and chicks were all excited about some far off guy coming to see them, it was the bee's knees. But to do that today you would have to be a mf fool.

Same girl with SGBGP on her Tinder profile (Sao Paulo).

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2273280] ... most of the women are looking for LTRs or at least "dating" and it requires a certain degree of cold bloodedness to mislead them if all the man is interested in is quick sex. I don't like to play that game so I actually look to Tinder primarily for p4 p options that I have not seen on the escort sites... [/QUOTE]Man you hit that right on!

I'm not a Tinder guy, I don't have the patience nor the cold blooodedness as you say.

I find more than enough to handle in both Rio and SP just making the rounds to my spots and of course the acquired roladex.

I do have a buddy, however, who is a Tinder pro.

The guy is methodical and cold blooded with it.

He knows what they want to here and plays into it, then gets what he wants.

I think he got banned a while back, had complaints.

Somehow he either got reinstated or started fresh, I don't know. I just remember him complaining about it.

Definitely not my thing though.

Although I like to go to the clinicas in SP, esp Tangara and Onna, I sometimes like the adventure of independents. I met Sofia at a CLnica but now she went independent. She's just short of 30 yrs, slim, some English, with a natural attractiveness. What gets me about her is that she seems like a very normal girl but really delivers in bed. Definitely a somewhat different experience. Are $200/ HR. She lists under photoacompanhantes.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2273780]......I think he got banned a while back, had complaints.

Somehow he either got reinstated or started fresh, I don't know. I just remember him complaining about it.

Definitely not my thing though.[/QUOTE]I find this fascinating. How did he get banned? I thought Tinder was started for casual hook-ups.

I remember when internet sites like Yahoo Personals and [URL]Match.com[/URL] were first gearing up. You could work the site to find American women who were interested in anonymous sex. Anonymous is the key word. When it became widely known that was happening, many attractive women left the sites.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2273762]Same girl with SGBGP on her Tinder profile (Sao Paulo).[/QUOTE]

Does SGBGP = Sugar Baby Garota de Programa?

Is this the only photo you will find on Tinder?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2273825]Does SGBGP = Sugar Baby Garota de Programa?

Is this the only photo you will find on Tinder?[/QUOTE]Yes, SGBGP = Sugar Baby GDP.

She didn't post her real photo.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2273820]I find this fascinating. How did he get banned? I thought Tinder was started for casual hook-ups.

I remember when internet sites like Yahoo Personals and [URL]Match.com[/URL] were first gearing up. You could work the site to find American women who were interested in anonymous sex. Anonymous is the key word. When it became widely known that was happening, many attractive women left the sites.[/QUOTE]Apparently several girls complained about him.

Within the App, there's a complaint mechanism.

Would these profiles be allowed on Tinder in the USA? Thinking this sort of thing would fly in UK / Germany / Thailand, etc.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273340]That is any dating site in general. I would not say it is a waste of time. That is just how picking up chicks work period. It is all statistical. You go up to 10 chicks and ask for their number and only 3 will say yes. Out of those 3 you may go on a date with 2 and only end up fucking 1 or 0. Shit that is how mating works for all animals. [/QUOTE]When I was in Asia, my funnel looked like this: message 100 chicks, get response from 15, meet 3, sleep with 1 if lucky.

So after building a decent profile (well, as decent as my looks allowed) I had a goal of messaging at least 50 per day, better 100, until I had some action going. Took about 2 weeks to get comfortable.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2272940]Sounds FR like you value in-room time only so FKK vs Clinica vs Boate vs Brothel will be all the same to you. Others value total experience that includes both in room and not in room time. And so here the FKK and Boate scene wins. The FKK even more so with massage and sauna and fully naked girls on parade at all times. Nonetheless the SP Boate is good for overall experience. I generally like to enjoy the whole thing so it's not unusual for my in-room time to be half the total time in an FKK or Boate. Most recently in SP and Campinas:

Scandalo 3. 5 hrs clock time. 1 HR in room time.

Fazendinha 5 hrs clock time. 2 hrs in room time.

And I had an absolute blast when not in the room. For me it is an important part of the experience. I think HarvestBoi is cut from this same cloth. For you and others, not so much.[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly. I am actually quite shy and I have a slight form of Asperger's. So I only go to those places for one thing. Physical intimacy with a woman. I don't mean the genital contact, holding hands and hugging, massaging, having a girl sit in my lap is all nice too and helps me feel human and desired, which is something I don't get in the daily life. (even getting naked in front of a girl, my mind kinda disassociates from the experience so I don't "feel" shyness but it's always there) So the social aspect is a distraction at best, and can be very annoying at worst. Depending on how starved for human contact I am.

This trip has been thoroughly therapeutic though, I must say. Tons of "the right kind" of interactions.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2271731]Moema Prime. Despite your "bad" rating I would encourage others to visit Moema Prime and judge for themselves. Normally, the reception is the most friendly. You have to understand 30 minutes is a very short time and including 2 showers it will pass fast. Prime generally has a large lineup 8-15 girls with a very "high average". It just opened in 2018 and has great facilities. It is my #1 recommendation in Moema.[/QUOTE]Oh the reception was most friendly. They didn't speak any English so they asked other customers to help explain the system to me.

However, I've been getting 30-minute sessions everywhere else, with two showers (before and after) for me and the girl, as a standard procedure, and this was the only place that insisted on charging me for an hour. That without any advance notice. And obviously they knew that the source of the confusion was not having the common understanding. Because they asked another customer to explain why they want to charge for a full hour.

It would have been a very simple customer service courtesy move to just charge me for 30 minutes. After all, it's not like I was trying to turn 59 minutes into 30 - it was maybe 40 minutes tops. But they used short-term thinking and they lost significant business because this shows that they don't really have the customer service in mind. Maybe they thought that I was just another tourist. A one-time interaction. And I don't want to support that kind of attitude. What sucks is that I had high hopes for this establishment because of the good reviews, and it is less than 10 minutes walk from where I stayed, so it could have been my first choice on a trip where I fucked my way through about 5500 reals.

Yes, the facility is nice, recently renovated, etc etc. I'm sure they'll do splendidly without me.

One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).

Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?

Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL for the tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2274887]Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?.[/QUOTE]These are reasonable questions but at the same time don't get too hung up on time and such. My advice is to go early and at worst hang out, I mean what else do you have to do and what better place to do it?

Casarao. It opens at 10 pm, all girls must enter by 12 midnight. If you enter at 11 it is good because it is not crowded and you can navigate the entire club easily and see the chicks as they arrive. Hang out by the stage and you will see all the girls entering with their bags, going up to change and then coming down. By 12:30 all of them should be on the floor. So by 1:00 am you should have seen all there is to see that night. One misconception in your post re Scandalo girls and such. We have said that some girls work various clubs, scandalo, bomboa, casarao, photo, clinicas etc. But I have never said that girls work first at Scandalo and then at Casarao on the same day. I would find that unlikely. Remember Scandalo is open until 5 am too. What I have said is that on any given night you may find chicks at Casarao that on other nights work at other places. Its unlikely that any girls will arrive after 12:00 am because then they have to pay admission and they are all very careful to avoid paying whenever possible.

Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want. I don't know about you, but I don't like banging a clincia chick at the end of her shift after she has been "working' all day. I would much prefer to be her first client.

Scandalo. It opens at noon, and there are 3 shifts of women. When I have been a wingman for visitors we have entered before 7 pm to get the discount entrance and we have stayed till past midnight. That straddles 2 shifts. If you prefer to enter at the peak, then enter at 11.

I would not be so concerned about number of pops, but that is your business.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2274887]One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).

Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?

Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL forthe tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.[/QUOTE]Rovnak as usual has all the best info. Some great insider tips there, so I can't improve on that. On the two pops, yes best to wait 20 or even thirty minutes if I can. A key is to not start again too quickly. Don't sweat the Viagra redose. If 50 makes you hard you will get hard again without redosing. It lasts several hours.

Two other things:

Make sure to agree two pops beforehand. Booking a girl usually only means one unless you agree before. In Portuguese "Duas vezes" (pronounced like vases). The room at Scandalo charges fines past the one hour mark but would be worth it if you are close.

Very unlikely to get a second pop with a condom. If you have to fuck to feel right then do it but you better get back to BBBJ and HJ if you want to pull a second pop at your age. Also don't be afraid to finish by your hand. Only way to go some times. No shame in that.

Located at one block of the metro station, is an oriental customers style clinic, most customers are orientals and some time some nipo-braziilian girls show up.

Mon through Sat 10 AM to 10 PM; Sun 12 PM till 8 PM.

Newly renewed, eight rooms, some 10 girls, Sundays most are freelancers, some English speaking girls.

160 reais in cash for one hour.

PM me for details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2274887]One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).

Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?

Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL for the tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.[/QUOTE]Referring to your third question, I would go there around 1 PM, see the girls coming in and, choose a girl right away before the place gets crowded.

Some guys may argue that around 4 PM is the best time, true, there will be almost 40 girls on the parade on this time, but also lots of customers are going to show up and some waiting for empty rooms is very likely to happen. I also prefer to be the first customer of her, because girls are still relaxed.

Yesterday I was there and saw one of the best lineups with some gorgeous girls from Goiania, GO.

If you did your first TD and want to spend the rest of the evening in a more relaxed atmosphere than go to ESPACO VERGEUEIRO, Rua Vergueiro 170, near SAO JOAQUIM station.

It's a bar, some 10 girls at the house around 4 PM. , has five rooms and a large salon for cocktails. Drinks at honest prices, well-selected bar.

GAROTA + ROOM 230 reais, one hour, discounts available for the happy hour and if paid in cash.

Mon. To Sati from noon to 3 AM, Sun closed.

ABG.

In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.

I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.

ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.

Another great night at Casarao.

Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.

I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.

Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?

1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time.

2) Before: how many days Before the carnival does the mongering scene start to slow down? Is it the same in Rio and SP?

3) After: And how many days After the carnival does it get back to normal?

4) If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

5) off topic: If I want to fit in Colombia for this trip, should I go before or after Brazil?

Thanks guys.

HM2.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2275424]In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.

I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.

ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. I think it depends on the day and time and your bar for the surroundings. When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her.

Maybe there is a different hang out area? But the lobby is pretty uninspiring and not st all a party atmosphere. So maybe at some other time or with some tips about a part of Tangara I don't know about it would have been OK. But I had absolutely no desire to hang out there.

You have to order beer from across the street. I hung out for an hour or 2 at Tangara and it is true that it was more chill and has more loungy space than the other 2 clinicas I visited (Brooklin and Miruna) BUT 1) I had already has a session and 2) I was hanging with ABG. Don't know if those impacted my experience. I was there on a weekday when the lineup is deeper too.

Hb.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2275424]In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.

I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.

ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2275544]Hmmm. I think it depends on the day and time and your bar for the surroundings. When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her.

Maybe there is a different hang out area? But the lobby is pretty uninspiring and not st all a party atmosphere. So maybe at some other time or with some tips about a part of Tangara I don't know about it would have been OK. But I had absolutely no desire to hang out there.[/QUOTE]Haha, the operative word is "CAN hang out". I was not suggesting its a festive hang out but you CAN hang out even if you are the only one. Its not like Rio where for some odd reason they try to hide the clients from each other. There is always a salon to sit in and watch TV at least. I bring a kindle and read if I am waiting to see the rest of the lineup. Did that today, hung out at Prime just to see 2 new girls that were occupied when I arrived. Sat back and read like I was at the library.

Now, there are some locals who really do use the clinicas like 'hangouts', quase-social clubs. If you are ever at Tangara on a weekend the crowd overflows the salon and people hang out in the patio area. I've even hung out in the girls 'hanger' on the other side, but it was a downer because it smelled like a locker room over there LOL. There are some regulars who sit and chat for hours at TG and Brooklin. But that is as you were pointing out. Subject to time and day.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2275544]When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her..[/QUOTE]There are 3 things in your statement that I would like to respond to as they might give a reader the wrong impression.

"Sunday at noon and there were only 3 girls" - Sunday is usually a super busy day "by 2 pm". I get TG lineup messages all day every day on whatsapp and they routinely have 20-30 ladies on a Sunday. Actually every day. The ladies don't all arrive at the same time, and either you got there when they had just opened or it might have been a holiday weekend?

" I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. " -I can understand that you might have been uncomfortable but I assure you that no one else would have cared, not the other guy nor the managers nor the ladies. You could have sat there and read your smartphone and no one would have noticed.

"The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her" - Actually, you could have said "I am not interested in anyone at the moment", the easiest way to do this for a visitor is to say "I'm thinking" "estou pensando" . And then the management will just ignore you and you can sit there forever and leave when you want or eventually choose someone, 5 minutes or 5 hours later.

I am not trying to pick apart your post to quibble but to straighten out what appear to be some cultural misunderstanding on your part. I think you were inferring some pressure and some "social self consciousness" that really is there only one your side. I think you were "feeling" the way you would be in an American establishment or wherever you are from, but this environment is different. So you may have thought it was awkward, but it was only awkward "for you". Cheers.

[QUOTE=HelloMan2;2275543]Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.

I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.

Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?

1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time.

2) Before: how many days Before the carnival does the mongering scene start to slow down? Is it the same in Rio and SP?

3) After: And how many days After the carnival does it get back to normal?

4) If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

5) off topic: If I want to fit in Colombia for this trip, should I go before or after Brazil?

Thanks guys.

HM2.[/QUOTE]1) During Carnaval all mongering declines dramatically, even some boites and clinicas will close. Call them before you go. I know for sure, that Tangara will be opened.

2) During the week before and after Carnaval there will intense movement, garotas will be coming in to make money.

3) Sao Paulo next Wednesday, Rio next Saturday.

A good alternative is to go to the Escola de Samba parade, be sure to get your reservation in advance.

In Rio:

[URL]https://www.totalacesso.com/pagina/camarotegranderio2018?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_6LbqvH53wIVkIKRCh0OiAuaEAAYASAAEgL6R_D_BwE[/URL]

Sao Paulo:

[URL]http://camarotebarbrahma.com/[/URL]

If you can communicate there will be a good chance you can get sex in the same night. But watch out, not all the girls will be garotas de programa.

I hope I helped you, any questions please PM me.

ABG.

[QUOTE=HelloMan2;2275543]Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.

I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.

Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?

1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time..[/QUOTE]You might also want to ask the same question on the Rio forum because a lot of posters there may not read this sub.

ABG answered most of your q's but he did not opine on 4. If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.

I do think its important to visit during Carnival ONLY if you are interested in Carnival. Hotel prices will be higher. As noted, the putaria activity will be next to zero during the 5 days of Carnival itself, Friday to Tuesday. In Rio the "hangover" as noted by ABG lasts until the following Saturday. So do not come for putaria during Carnival.

Dear forumers,

Soon, I will be back in Sao Paulo for few days. By 5 times, I have experienced the scene.

For my next travel, I would like to meet some Subcelebridades. Is there someone who has some contacts. As you know, it needs to be introduce to get access to those book Rosa.

L.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2275742]A good alternative is to go to the Escola de Samba parade, be sure to get your reservation in advance.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Rovnak;2275770]Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.[/QUOTE]Many thanks to ABG and Rovnak's responses on the carnival and the other options to consider. Since the hangover period is so long after the Carnival, I might consider going before or a couple of weeks after the Carnival.

I have posted the question in the other thread, since no takers there, here a repost of the same logistics question. I know it is touristy, but I always give back.

I am planning on seeing Foz de Iguazu waterfalls. My roundtrip return point is Sao Paulo Brazil. I plan to stay couple of days at the waterfalls area and then continue to BA, Argentina. A) Which city, area at the walls to stay for a better nightlife? Any suggestions? B) Are there any issues crossing the border (Brazil to Argentina, and maybe to Paraguay and back). C) Is CD del Este, Paraguay is worth visiting? Some words on airports will help too. I see one way fares from BA to Sampa are quite steep. So which route is preferable in this triangle: Sampa, Foz, BA? Should I do one way flights or returns? Thank you.

[QUOTE=Questner;2275916]I have posted the question in the other thread, since no takers there, here a repost of the same logistics question. I know it is touristy, but I always give back.

I am planning on seeing Foz de Iguazu waterfalls. My roundtrip return point is Sao Paulo Brazil. I plan to stay couple of days at the waterfalls area and then continue to BA, Argentina. A) Which city, area at the walls to stay for a better nightlife? Any suggestions? B) Are there any issues crossing the border (Brazil to Argentina, and maybe to Paraguay and back). C) Is CD del Este, Paraguay is worth visiting? Some words on airports will help too. I see one way fares from BA to Sampa are quite steep. So which route is preferable in this triangle: Sampa, Foz, BA? Should I do one way flights or returns? Thank you.[/QUOTE]CD del Este has a large waterfall called Salto del Monday, which is quite interesting. You can also visit the Itaipu Dam.

In my experience it is always cheaper to fly internally within a country rather than internationally. So better to fly S. Paulo to Foz, cross the border via land to Puerto Iguazu, then fly P. Iguazu to Bu. Aires. But you would have to check all of this to confirm. I think Foz would have the better nightlife than Puerto, but I have not sought this out myself.

Note that there is a one hour time difference between CD del Este and Foz / Puerto. I almost missed my flight from Foz because I thought that they were the same time, but I was actually running one hour late upon my exit via land from Paraguay.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2275770] If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.[/QUOTE]Strictly speaking of Carnival, I recommend that men in their 20's /30's think about going to Salvador. Of course, there is a monger scene. It pales in comparison to SP and Rio, but Salvador Carnival is a blast and great place to take a shot at hooking up with civilian girls visiting from all over Brazil. There is a major gringo stigma in Rio. In Salvador, Brazilian girls will be impressed you found your way there for an event that is simply more Brazilian than touristy. It's not as grand as the Samba parades in the Rio Sambadrome, but it's several days of non-stop street parties with music you will never forget.

There are plenty of youtube videos that can explain it better than me.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ-NlHUcffY[/URL]

[QUOTE=LobbyMan1;2275807]Dear forumers,

Soon, I will be back in Sao Paulo for few days. By 5 times, I have experienced the scene.

For my next travel, I would like to meet some Subcelebridades. Is there someone who has some contacts. As you know, it needs to be introduce to get access to those book Rosa.

L.[/QUOTE]Well, you arent able to receive any messages, I suggest to change that for better interchange with the forumers.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2276205]Strictly speaking of Carnival, I recommend that men in their 20's /30's think about going to Salvador. Of course, there is a monger scene. It pales in comparison to SP and Rio, but Salvador Carnival is a blast and great place to take a shot at hooking up with civilian girls visiting from all over Brazil. There is a major gringo stigma in Rio. In Salvador, Brazilian girls will be impressed you found your way there for an event that is simply more Brazilian than touristy. It's not as grand as the Samba parades in the Rio Sambadrome, but it's several days of non-stop street parties with music you will never forget.

There are plenty of youtube videos that can explain it better than me.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ-NlHUcffY[/URL][/QUOTE]I was going to mention this, and you are correct. But it might be a bit of a dicey trip for a first time visitor. For someone who has been to Brazil before, it makes total sense. Not sure if I would recommend it to a first timer though. Your thoughts?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2276250]I was going to mention this, and you are correct. But it might be a bit of a dicey trip for a first time visitor. For someone who has been to Brazil before, it makes total sense. Not sure if I would recommend it to a first timer though. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]Yes, it would be ideal for someone with some Brazil smarts and some Portuguese. I think some experienced travelers who can work ISG and Tripadvisor would be fine, but perhaps that's rare.

[QUOTE=JorgeRad10;2276209]Well, you arent able to receive any messages, I suggest to change that for better interchange with the forumers.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Hi Jorge,

Thanks for your advice. From now, I can receive messages.

L.

I see that the city has a holiday this Friday. Founding of the city, 465 years, how much will this affect the monger scene from normal? Any thoughts?

GF.

Ref. Casas on next Friday most if them will be open.

You may expect some decline in the number of garotas, the only place I know for shure to be good regarded to garotas is Tangara, who is going to be open the whole weekend.

ABG.

Av. Irai, 511, [URL]www.moemaprime.com.br[/URL].

Around 3 pm on a Wed.

R220 for an hour. (I only do an hour).

First time visiting and pretty much newbie to Brazil. No porto so basically I mumbled my way through the presentation. Around 12 girls mostly 7's in my book. The only 8 to me was Sandra. Lighter skin girl with serious look to her. One shoulder tattoo, see cups, all natural. I enjoy this type of body the most, mostly unblemished, firm to gym body and natural. Facilities are nice, clean, organized and nicely decorated. After telling the front desk girl your selection you follow her to the room. Pay afterwards. The room was large and good size bathroom with shower. Not like some of those cramp places we have all visited. My only complaint about the rooms and for me its a big one is the bed. Its really just a cushion atop a double stack of wood pallets. Please tell me this is NOT the norm. I was able to ask Sandra and she said all the clinicas have the same setup. I hope she is wrong. Her service was great, BBBJ, some kissing, she smokes like most of the ladies so I don't get into the deep kissing with them. Allowed all positions and pretty much lived up to the reputation of the service found in Brazil. When your finished you walk down and tell the front desk which lady you were with and pay. There is a smoking area as you walk in so you can get a group glimpse. Also, one pop, although was able to manage to communicate with Sandra about this. If I understood correctly, you negotiate with the girl ahead of time. Some do allow two, some don't.

Thanks to all posters in this thread. Your insights have made exploring this paradise that much easier.

GF.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2276250]I was going to mention this, and you are correct. But it might be a bit of a dicey trip for a first time visitor. For someone who has been to Brazil before, it makes total sense. Not sure if I would recommend it to a first timer though. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]IMO Salvador is going to be a challenge to have a good time there if you don't speak intermediate Portuguese. If you have a baiano friend to be your wingman that is ok. And the Baianos are very friendly to gringos. And the mulatas are even better than the ones from Rio. The trio eletricos are fantastic to be on!

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2277641]Av. Irai, 511, [URL]www.moemaprime.com.br[/URL].

Around 3 pm on a Wed.

R220 for an hour. (I only do an hour).

First time visiting and pretty much newbie to Brazil. No porto so basically I mumbled my way through the presentation. Around 12 girls mostly 7's in my book. The only 8 to me was Sandra. Lighter skin girl with serious look to her. One shoulder tattoo, see cups, all natural. I enjoy this type of body the most, mostly unblemished, firm to gym body and natural. Facilities are nice, clean, organized and nicely decorated. After telling the front desk girl your selection you follow her to the room. Pay afterwards. The room was large and good size bathroom with shower. Not like some of those cramp places we have all visited. My only complaint about the rooms and for me its a big one is the bed. Its really just a cushion atop a double stack of wood pallets. Please tell me this is NOT the norm. I was able to ask Sandra and she said all the clinicas have the same setup. I hope she is wrong. Her service was great, BBBJ, some kissing, she smokes like most of the ladies so I don't get into the deep kissing with them. Allowed all positions and pretty much lived up to the reputation of the service found in Brazil. When your finished you walk down and tell the front desk which lady you were with and pay. There is a smoking area as you walk in so you can get a group glimpse. Also, one pop, although was able to manage to communicate with Sandra about this. If I understood correctly, you negotiate with the girl ahead of time. Some do, some don't.

Thanks to all posters in this thread. Your insights have made exploring this paradise that much easier.

GF.[/QUOTE]There are lots of places who have queen and also king size beds!

As an example, Red Way has a room with a king size bed.

ABG

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2277506]I see that the city has a holiday this Friday. Founding of the city, 465 years, how much will this affect the monger scene from normal? Any thoughts?

GF.[/QUOTE]The last time this happened all the clinicas and garotas de programme were all free for the whole weekend.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2277641]Av. Irai, 511, [URL]www.moemaprime.com.br[/URL].

Around 3 pm on a Wed.

R220 for an hour. (I only do an hour).

My only complaint about the rooms and for me its a big one is the bed. Its really just a cushion atop a double stack of wood pallets. Please tell me this is NOT the norm. I was able to ask Sandra and she said all the clinicas have the same setup. I hope she is wrong.


GF.[/QUOTE]Well, the bad news is that those are probably some of the best beds you will find. Where have you been mongering besides Brasil? In Brasil those are amongst the best beds you will find unfortunately, at clinicas. Its one of the reasons, amongst many, that I prefer to receive ladies at my apartment rather than at the clinica. The beds are usually OK at best. Even in the better places, the spend a lot of money on the decor but skimp on the quality of the beds. They also skimp on the tables inside the rooms, and hangers for clothes. Sometimes there is a HUGE room, with a teeny tiny little bedside table and nothing else, no coat stand or hangers. Its a bit annoying, but hey, the ladies usually more than make up for it. I wouldn't for better beds and poorer ladies.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2277731]The last time this happened all the clinicas and garotas de programme were all free for the whole weekend.[/QUOTE]Ah man! (Banging my forehead against the wall) I finally come to SP for the 1st time, and on the 1st night I arrive when I go to Casarao an important frickin 3 day holiday weekend is happening? So the "bbb" team or "ccc" team of garotas are going to be on display? DAMN. Does this also mean more dudes there since it's a holiday weekend? Don't tell me it's going to be less girls, the "ccc" team of a bunch of 6's of garota girls, and more dudes on my 1st ever night in Sao Paolo at Casarao (Banging my head some more). . Well you never know, maybe 5 of the most amazing freelancers ever, who are starting out on their 1st night decide to go to Casarao this Friday night Jan 25. (banging my head some more). (Why me!) Come on man!

By the way Gone Fishing, thanks for your Clinica report today. (Banging my head some more on Friday and rest of weekend not being a normal or full capacity of girls weekend).

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2277731]The last time this happened all the clinicas and garotas de programme were all free for the whole weekend.[/QUOTE]Tangara will be open all days of the next Friday! If you are planning to go to any other clinica please call first.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2277878]Ah man! (Banging my forehead against the wall) I finally come to SP for the 1st time, and on the 1st night I arrive when I go to Casarao an important frickin 3 day holiday weekend is happening? So the "bbb" team or "ccc" team of garotas are going to be on display? DAMN.[/QUOTE]I tell guys all the time to make sure you check for local holidays online before you make plans to travel! Happened to me on my very first trip to Rio. There is some relatively obscure holiday celebrated only in Rio and no other place in the entire country. Lucky for me it was only for a day and didn't have much of an impact on my trip. As a matter of fact, as I recall I appreciated the break as those beautiful Brazilian girls were wearing me out LOL! But, I took that as an important lesson. Always, always, always check on a country's holidays from a reliable source before you make any solid plans to travel there to monger!

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2277732]Well, the bad news is that those are probably some of the best beds you will find. Where have you been mongering besides Brasil? In Brasil those are amongst the best beds you will find unfortunately, at clinicas. Its one of the reasons, amongst many, that I prefer to receive ladies at my apartment rather than at the clinica. The beds are usually OK at best. Even in the better places, the spend a lot of money on the decor but skimp on the quality of the beds. They also skimp on the tables inside the rooms, and hangers for clothes. Sometimes there is a HUGE room, with a teeny tiny little bedside table and nothing else, no coat stand or hangers. Its a bit annoying, but hey, the ladies usually more than make up for it. I wouldn't for better beds and poorer ladies.[/QUOTE]I done my share of the world tour, Mex, SEA, FKKs, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Arg, and I agree with you Rovnak, the outcall is the best option for me as well. But being newbie to Brazil, I rather try what service are already on offer, explore locations, get the vibe and cost benefit, etc. Not speaking the language, having an airbnb, first timer, makes finding the right girl who will offer me service in my apt to much hassle.

Most places in the world I have gone at least have a crappy bed, meaning a mattress and at the normal bed height. And a good percentage have good to excellent beds. But in the end the service is what matters. I would fuck these girls standing up, LOL.

I went to Chanes 57 last night, loved the place (report to follow), they even had live music for a time and will again tonight. So I will be going back, music starts at 8 pm if anyone wants to toast a beer with me. Come on down.

GF.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2277959]I done my share of the world tour, Mex, SEA, FKKs, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Arg, and I agree with you Rovnak, the outcall is the best option for me as well. But being newbie to Brazil, I rather try what service are already on offer, explore locations, get the vibe and cost benefit, etc. Not speaking the language, having an airbnb, first timer, makes finding the right girl who will offer me service in my apt to much hassle.

Most places in the world I have gone at least have a crappy bed, meaning a mattress and at the normal bed height. And a good percentage have good to excellent beds. But in the end the service is what matters. I would fuck these girls standing up, LOL.

I went to Chanes 57 last night, loved the place (report to follow), they even had live music for a time and will again tonight. So I will be going back, music starts at 8 pm if anyone wants to toast a beer with me. Come on down.

GF.[/QUOTE]Haha, the beds in Chanes are worse though. They move all over the room. I may go by to chat.

Which top venues may be an affordable freelance alternative to Scandalo, Casarao, Bomboa, Café Photo other than clinicas and incall / outcalls where I can save on entry fees, exit fees, consumption, entertainment etc. ?

[QUOTE=Questner;2278133]Which top venues may be an affordable freelance alternative to Scandalo, Casarao, Bomboa, Caf Photo other than clinicas and incall / outcalls where I can save on entry fees, exit fees, consumption, entertainment etc. ?[/QUOTE]Casarao is more like what you are after. Not at all as high end as the other three. Only like a $20 cover. But the girls will vary.

Trying to go lower cost than that at night? I can't help w that.

Yesterday I went with THAIS, a lovely lady from Curitiba, 27 YO, brunette, an academy built body, very GFE, good DFK.

One of the best BBBJ and CIM of all the girls of the house, spend one hour with her, 03 pops, twice in her mouth.

Used room number nine, this room has AC, a complete private bathroom and a nice queen size bed.

If you want to go with THAIS you better be there at 11 AM, time that she normally arrives. She is an early bird and around 6 PM she leaves the house. Better ask her about BBBJ / CIM, I gave her an extra tip.

I went early, around 2 PM. Very well received by Suzan, she speaks English. If you go after 4 PM ask for Takuma, for english assistance.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2278165]Casarao is more like what you are after. Not at all as high end as the other three. Only like a $20 cover. But the girls will vary.

Trying to go lower cost than that at night? I can't help w that.[/QUOTE]Go and visit this place near Av, Faria Lima, and Largo de Pinheiros, there is the metro station Pinheiros in the vicinity.

It has been a long time I've been there but I remember that until 9 PM was no entrance fee and after it was 20 reais.

Boate Glamourosa. Rua dos Pinheiros, 1394 / reais 50,00 - 30 Min. Girl plus room.

In the vicinity, at Largo de Pinheiros, there are some other 10 low-cost brothels, they have a bar and rooms.

Another cheap alternative is the trash building at Rua dos Andradas 69, Centro, near station LUZ of the metro. Costs 30 reais = 15 minutes or one pop.

I hope I've helped you! PM me for details.

ABG

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2278255]Yesterday I went with THAIS, a lovely lady from Curitiba, 27 YO, brunette, an academy built body, very GFE, good DFK.

One of the best BBBJ and CIM of all the girls of the house, spend one hour with her, 03 pops, twice in her mouth.

Used room number nine, this room has AC, a complete private bathroom and a nice queen size bed.

If you want to go with THAIS you better be there at 11 AM, time that she normally arrives. She is an early bird and around 6 PM she leaves the house. Better ask her about BBBJ / CIM, I gave her an extra tip.

I went early, around 2 PM. Very well received by Suzan, she speaks English. If you go after 4 PM ask for Takuma, for english assistance.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Tangara will be open today from 10 AM until 10 PM. Yesterday they were 35 girls at 4 PM.

PM me for details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2278165]Casarao is more like what you are after. Not at all as high end as the other three. Only like a $20 cover. But the girls will vary.

Trying to go lower cost than that at night? I can't help w that.[/QUOTE]Another low-cost night club will be Muchachos Club, near Largo 13 in Santo Amaro. For 100 reais you get a nice service for half hour, girls are in a range to 5 / 6 but sometimes you can find real gems there!

Can't remember the entrance fee but must be not above 30 reais.

I went by car but you can go by metro, Google the address and find out. It's on the new Santo Amaro line.

ABG.

Rua dos Chanes, 57.

Website does not work (at least for me).

I would describe this place as more a bar with chicas and rooms then I would a club. No cover the two times I went. Once at 3 pm (Wed) the other at 9 pm (Thur). They have live band, Wed-Thur, and Karaoke on Fridays. Band starts early like 8 pm. Club is open till 2 am and closed Sunday but I was told if the party still going then they will stay open later. Some girls I saw earlier in the day were not there at night, so perhaps 2 shifts.

The bar area is upstairs, bathrooms, lounging (w / Air), outside seating areas were all decent but not upscale like a club. The sit down bar is small, mostly for serving, there are a few tv's and a decent pool table that looked free to use. Girls number are around 12 to 15 during the two shifts I was there. The rooms are downstairs, they are small and with a "bed" and bathroom with shower, hot water. Clean and my two rooms came with air. Chica prices depend on the hour, before 9 pm, 30 min /170 and HR /250. After 9 pm, 30 min /250 and HR /350 (in Reals). Drink prices are very reasonable, I bought myself 2 beers (cold) and one girl a beer it came out to 56 reals for the drinks total. I don't think the girls make commission here on drinks so no pushing to buy them.

You enter downstairs and ask the attendant for a slip a paper that they use to mark your purchases, including the girl. You tally up when you leave and pay here as well. The blonde lady I spoke to both days speaks some English. The owner is a chubby dude that was very welcoming to me and checked on me several times each visit. This is not a pretentious type of place. More like a local hangout vibe where you can enjoy your drink with a pretty girl and if you want it to go further rooms are downstairs. During the day, I saw the girls do presentations downstairs but not during the night. Both times I dressed in shorts and sandals and did not feel out of place.

Truth be told, I enjoy this type of place much more than the clubs with large selection of ladies. Just scanning the room I could immediately see 5 to 7 girls that were doable for me. With a smaller selection you don't feel the need to see every single girl before deciding. I could pretty much see all of them before taking 2 sips of my beer. The girls are mostly avg but some do stand out. They are all natural from what I can see and do not over apply the cosmetics. Most only port but have patience to translate on google with you. I found one that speaks English well, Natalie but she was one of the day girls. Have yet to see her at night. One girl spoke Spanish fairly well. The service was excellent, BBBJ and any position allowed, daty. They have condoms and I don't think I was charged for them. So if your not a heavy drinker (like me) you can enjoy some companionship in a bar like setting, drink some then do the deed all for around 100 us. These type of places are not really written about much on this thread. I'm not sure why. Maybe because the girl selection is smaller.

I will try and visit a more of these type places that have just been mentioned (thanks contributors) during my few days here and report.

GF.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2278269]Another low-cost night club will be Muchachos Club, near Largo 13 in Santo Amaro. For 100 reais you get a nice service for half hour, girls are in a range to 5 / 6 but sometimes you can find real gems there!

Can't remember the entrance fee but must be not above 30 reais.

I went by car but you can go by metro, Google the address and find out. It's on the new Santo Amaro line.

ABG.[/QUOTE]When I went there last November, the admission was 10 real, which included 2 (maybe 3) drinks.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2278330]Rua dos Chanes, 57.

Website does not work (at least for me).

I would describe this place as more a bar with chicas and rooms then I would a club. No cover the two times I went. Once at 3 pm (Wed) the other at 9 pm (Thur). They have live band, Wed-Thur, and Karaoke on Fridays. Band starts early like 8 pm. Club is open till 2 am and closed Sunday but I was told if the party still going then they will stay open later. Some girls I saw earlier in the day were not there at night, so perhaps 2 shifts.

The bar area is upstairs, bathrooms, lounging (w / Air), outside seating areas were all decent but not upscale like a club. The sit down bar is small, mostly for serving, there are a few tv's and a decent pool table that looked free to use. Girls number are around 12 to 15 during the two shifts I was there. The rooms are downstairs, they are small and with a "bed" and bathroom with shower, hot water. Clean and my two rooms came with air. Chica prices depend on the hour, before 9 pm, 30 min /170 and HR /250. After 9 pm, 30 min /250 and HR /350 (in Reals). Drink prices are very reasonable, I bought myself 2 beers (cold) and one girl a beer it came out to 56 reals for the drinks total. I don't think the girls make commission here on drinks so no pushing to buy them.

You enter downstairs and ask the attendant for a slip a paper that they use to mark your purchases, including the girl. You tally up when you leave and pay here as well. The blonde lady I spoke to both days speaks some English. The owner is a chubby dude that was very welcoming to me and checked on me several times each visit. This is not a pretentious type of place. More like a local hangout vibe where you can enjoy your drink with a pretty girl and if you want it to go further rooms are downstairs. During the day, I saw the girls do presentations downstairs but not during the night. Both times I dressed in shorts and sandals and did not feel out of place.

Truth be told, I enjoy this type of place much more than the clubs with large selection of ladies. Just scanning the room I could immediately see 5 to 7 girls that were doable for me. With a smaller selection you don't feel the need to see every single girl before deciding. I could pretty much see all of them before taking 2 sips of my beer. The girls are mostly avg but some do stand out. They are all natural from what I can see and do not over apply the cosmetics. Most only port but have patience to translate on google with you. I found one that speaks English well, Natalie but she was one of the day girls. Have yet to see her at night. One girl spoke Spanish fairly well. The service was excellent, BBBJ and any position allowed, daty. They have condoms and I don't think I was charged for them. So if your not a heavy drinker (like me) you can enjoy some companionship in a bar like setting, drink some then do the deed all for around 100 us. These type of places are not really written about much on this thread. I'm not sure why. Maybe because the girl selection is smaller.

I will try and visit a more of these type places that have just been mentioned (thanks contributors) during my few days here and report.

GF.[/QUOTE]Thanks GF for your excellent report!

I wrote about Chanes 57 a couple of months ago, when I last took a visitor to a tour there. Since there were only 03 girls available we skipped the place and next day went to Espacio Vergueiro, also a bar with garotas, where the selection was 15 girls.

I will do another visit to Chanes 57, I like the atmosphere if they are add more garotas to the team than the place will be ok for me. As I'm a non-drinker, girls count the most.

Any questions please PM me.

ABG.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2278381]When I went there last November, the admission was 10 real, which included 2 (maybe 3) drinks.[/QUOTE]Thanks, JB, for your information!

ABG.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2278330]Rua dos Chanes, 57.

These type of places are not really written about much on this thread. I'm not sure why. Maybe because the girl selection is smaller.

I will try and visit a more of these type places that have just been mentioned (thanks contributors) during my few days here and report.

GF.[/QUOTE]Good report. Chanes was written about by me and others. Initially some people were put off because originally there was a cover charge of 60 reais in consumption but seems to be passed. Also, there were times when the number of girls was low, like 5. I wrote that it is a good late night option, in particular if you go with a wingman because then there is someone to chat with.

This club is sort of a hybrid between a clinica (rooms) and prive (small bar and lounge). I guess one could call it a big prive or small club. Anyway, there are not many of this type. I think ABG has mentioned Espaco Vergeiro as another. The big limiter here is that guys who want to maximize their selection choices will probably prefer the big clubs like Scandalo and Casarao during a short visit. Guys who are here longer should check out Chanes. Its also always possible to go to Chanes early and then leave for Casarao for example at midnight.

To SP newbs: just got into SP and while I've been here before, it's my first time doing it myself. So am using ABG's guide services!

Quick thing to note:. Airport money changers at most airports are big scams, but the one at SP airport is especially bad. So if you have to change money at airport, recommend only changing enough to get you to a better money changer. Also, despite what I was told by several people in airport, o was unable to find any store selling sim cards.

Since that thread is dead and some of you may do both cities, as I have, during your trip to S. America I want to share some tips I think will be helpful.

Local Forum is [URL]http://www.foroescortsar.com/[/URL].

The action is mostly incall but there are a few spots near Recoleta Cementary. Two bars, one called Dean & Dennys is an outside bar, girls hang at the tables waiting for you to invite for a drink. Prices were around 200 us back at your place or motel. The other is D'lino which is more of a bar / lounge / eatery, same pricing. Some will ask for more doubtful you will get less but depends on your Spanish and negotiating skills. These are normal places during the day and evening but around 11 pm the girls start filtering in. I usually went around midnight, plenty to choose from then.

Incall, most are independents but some are run more like brothels with different shift of girls. If the add says 24 hrs, brothel but if the girl states definite working hours, independent. I had luck with the folllowing websites. [URL]https://www.argentinasvip.com[/URL] and [URL]http://www.soloindependientes.com[/URL].

The incall locations are spread across the city so you can search by neighborhood. I found several near my airbnb. Contact by whatsapp, most do this but not all, she will send you a template msg with pricing and hours. Once you agree on the date she will send you the address. Once at the address you reach out again via whatsapp and she will tell you the apt number. Some buildings you will push the callup bottom, others will have lobby person. With lobby security you tell them which apt your going and they will take info from your ID, so take some. The apts are working apts the girls don't live in them. Sometimes they share so ask to see her friends if any are there. Bathroom, towels, all standard stuff provided and the cost for hour service is generally around 2500 o 3000. I stayed away from any that asked for more.

Food I was not really impressed with, mostly american fast food, empanada places, pizza (only select varieties), lite-fare cafes, churipan (hot dogs with sausage rather than wieners), steak houses but do some homework on the cuts because they have there own varieties (ojo de befe) and how they described the cooking method (jugoso, punto, etc).

Its a interesting city, with its own style. I found it more European but with less diversity than you find in Europe. Mongering is there and the service is good. I'm not sure I would go back.

Final note, the Spanish they speak is definitely different. They pronounce the double L "ll" like a shhh sound. So calle will sound like the English word "cache". Llamar like Shhmar. Very wierd but when in Rome.

GF.

I had to change the Accent mark:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chanes-57-Bar-Club/268683356905462[/URL]

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2278330]Rua dos Chanes, 57.

Website does not work (at least for me).

I would describe this place as more a bar with chicas and rooms then I would a club. No cover the two times I went. Once at 3 pm (Wed) the other at 9 pm (Thur). They have live band, Wed-Thur, and Karaoke on Fridays. Band starts early like 8 pm. Club is open till 2 am and closed Sunday but I was told if the party still going then they will stay open later. Some girls I saw earlier in the day were not there at night, so perhaps 2 shifts.

The bar area is upstairs, bathrooms, lounging (w / Air), outside seating areas were all decent but not upscale like a club. The sit down bar is small, mostly for serving, there are a few tv's and a decent pool table that looked free to use. Girls number are around 12 to 15 during the two shifts I was there. The rooms are downstairs, they are small and with a "bed" and bathroom with shower, hot water. Clean and my two rooms came with air. Chica prices depend on the hour, before 9 pm, 30 min /170 and HR /250. After 9 pm, 30 min /250 and HR /350 (in Reals). Drink prices are very reasonable, I bought myself 2 beers (cold) and one girl a beer it came out to 56 reals for the drinks total. I don't think the girls make commission here on drinks so no pushing to buy them.

You enter downstairs and ask the attendant for a slip a paper that they use to mark your purchases, including the girl. You tally up when you leave and pay here as well. The blonde lady I spoke to both days speaks some English. The owner is a chubby dude that was very welcoming to me and checked on me several times each visit. This is not a pretentious type of place. More like a local hangout vibe where you can enjoy your drink with a pretty girl and if you want it to go further rooms are downstairs. During the day, I saw the girls do presentations downstairs but not during the night. Both times I dressed in shorts and sandals and did not feel out of place.

Truth be told, I enjoy this type of place much more than the clubs with large selection of ladies. Just scanning the room I could immediately see 5 to 7 girls that were doable for me. With a smaller selection you don't feel the need to see every single girl before deciding. I could pretty much see all of them before taking 2 sips of my beer. The girls are mostly avg but some do stand out. They are all natural from what I can see and do not over apply the cosmetics. Most only port but have patience to translate on google with you. I found one that speaks English well, Natalie but she was one of the day girls. Have yet to see her at night. One girl spoke Spanish fairly well. The service was excellent, BBBJ and any position allowed, daty. They have condoms and I don't think I was charged for them. So if your not a heavy drinker (like me) you can enjoy some companionship in a bar like setting, drink some then do the deed all for around 100 us. These type of places are not really written about much on this thread. I'm not sure why. Maybe because the girl selection is smaller.

I will try and visit a more of these type places that have just been mentioned (thanks contributors) during my few days here and report.

GF.[/QUOTE]

Thoughts on Scandallo vs. Bomboa vs. Bahamas Hotel Club? Any major differences between these? I'm going to be in SP for just a couple nights (Friday / Saturday / Sunday) so wondering which is best to check out during the weekend and if there's anything special that differentiates them from each other. Heard Scandallo and Bomboa are less busy on the weekends, but can't be helped since I'm not there during the week. Also heard Bahamas Hotel does lingerie days on Sunday, any more info on that?

I've previously been to SP, but only for a short time and just checked out Casarao and did a freelancer. Cheers!

Rua Vergueiro, 170.

[URL]www.espacovergueiro.com.br[/URL]

Visited 5 pm on a holiday Friday.

Tried this budget place today. Two blocks from the metro station Sao Joaguin on line 1. It has a gated door with call box. Buzz it and they will let you in. Bigger sit down bar than Chanes 57 and the place is more like a lounge with a more crisper modern vibe. Same process as the other bar, ask for paper slip for them to mark your purchases. It will be at the window to your left as you enter. Today is a holiday, so slim pickings. Only 5 girls, two I liked and chose my first morena of the trip. Nice natural boobs and tall, slender, English was passable. The rooms are bigger than Chanes 57, with bed, shower and air, they are downstairs. The beers are only R10 but the chica drinks are R35, no cover. It rained hard today so stayed here until is lightened up. Had 2 beers a water one chica drink and half hour service all for the budget price of R155. The pricing is on a board (not current pricing) in that cashier window area but she told me these were the prices. Before 9 pm 30 min /100, HR /150 and after 9 pm 30 min /120, HR /170. My morena stated usually there will be up to 15 girls at night and the club is open 11 am to 2 am all days except Sunday, busiest time around 11 pm. I'm guessing the girls here are avg types, all were natural and little makeup. These are not the places you go for girls that spend tons of money on their looks. I find these places more to my liking but I will go to the more expensive clubs as well to be more well rounded in SP. I'm glad there is a variety of action here. Some days I just want the local corner hookup joint. I can go as I am and no need to go through all the effort to look my best for the fancy clubs.

GF.

Thank you, GoneFishin on BA; here is another local, [URL]https://www.escortsxp.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=ScoobieDiver;2278489]To SP newbs: just got into SP and while I've been here before, it's my first time doing it myself. So am using ABG's guide services!

Quick thing to note:. Airport money changers at most airports are big scams, but the one at SP airport is especially bad. So if you have to change money at the airport, recommend only changing enough to get you to a better money changer. Also, despite what I was told by several people in airport, o was unable to find any store selling sim cards.[/QUOTE]To buy a SIM card you must have a CPF, the local Social Security number. During the World Cup, there were some boots who sold SIM cards to tourists but now, to my knowledge, the only place where you can buy them is TIM of Rua Barão de Itapetininga. Ore have some Brazilian friend buy one for you.

Does anybody have another idea?

ABG.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2278657]Rua Vergueiro, 170.

[URL]www.espacovergueiro.com.br[/URL]

Visited 5 pm on a holiday Friday.

Tried this budget place today. Two blocks from the metro station Sao Joaguin on line 1. It has a gated door with call box. Buzz it and they will let you in. Bigger sit down bar than Chanes 57 and the place is more like a lounge with a more crisper modern vibe. Same process as the other bar, ask for paper slip for them to mark your purchases. It will be at the window to your left as you enter. Today is a holiday, so slim pickings. Only 5 girls, two I liked and chose my first morena of the trip. Nice natural boobs and tall, slender, English was passable. The rooms are bigger than Chanes 57, with bed, shower and air, they are downstairs. The beers are only R10 but the chica drinks are R35, no cover. It rained hard today so stayed here until is lightened up. Had 2 beers a water one chica drink and half hour service all for the budget price of R155. The pricing is on a board (not current pricing) in that cashier window area but she told me these were the prices. Before 9 pm 30 min /100, HR /150 and after 9 pm 30 min /120, HR /170. My morena stated usually there will be up to 15 girls at night and the club is open 11 am to 2 am all days except Sunday, busiest time around 11 pm. I'm guessing the girls here are avg types, all were natural and little makeup. These are not the places you go for girls that spend tons of money on their looks. I find these places more to my liking but I will go to the more expensive clubs as well to be more well rounded in SP. I'm glad there is a variety of action here. Some days I just want the local corner hookup joint. I can go as I am and no need to go through all the effort to look my best for the fancy clubs.

GF.[/QUOTE]GF, ScoobieDiver and I went to EV right after you left, we arrived around 9 PM, your description of the place is absolutely accurate.

I like to go to more quieter places like EV and Chanes, were the music is not so loud and you can talk to the garotas in piece.

, not like Casarao, who, in my opinion, is a zoo, I hate loud music!

So if you think like me avoid Casarao and go to one of those two bars.

ABG.

Yesterday we went to TG, 28 girls on parade, Juju, and Suellen were our options, nice morenas, completas, DKF, BBBJ, and CIM.

ABG.

Many reports on this club in forum so just my 2 cents. Visited Friday night (holiday) 1 am with ISG buddy.

Entrance you get a card to keep track of your purchases. The more modern version of the paper slip you get at the budget bars I mentioned earlier. R40 is cover all go to consumables or R20 for cover only if I understood correctly. This is a loud dance club atmosphere, ABG called it a zoo and I agree. Maybe our ages are showing. Chicas everywhere all shapes, sizes. Ground floor area is for dance floor and stripper show. It is the loudest here, I hung out mostly downstairs, alittle quieter with more room to move around. Sofas to rest on and scan the room. Maybe 50 girls, hard to count with all that moving around. You basically grab a girl you like to chat, grope, whatever until you seal the deal. From my observations, most of the ladies will entertain you for a short time and move on if you do not commit to further services. Understandable as they are working, my buddy found something he liked and vanished to explore further. I had already sessioned so was more in that, "I just got to have that" mode. I never got a hit, out of all those ladies, a few were standouts to me, most were avg to below avg but none gave me that, "you just can't pass this up" feeling. So left at 4 am, went out the door to my right, across the street is a decent Shwarma place.

GF.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2278829]To buy a SIM card you must have a CPF, the local Social Security number. During the World Cup, there were some boots who sold SIM cards to tourists but now, to my knowledge, the only place where you can buy them is TIM of Rua Baro de Itapetininga. Ore have some Brazilian friend buy one for you.

Does anybody have another idea?[/QUOTE]In the past, I have bought one at the TIM shop on Avenida Paulista. It was a bit more money than just buying it from a kiosk, but obviously a must have now days. There was also more process with registering your passport, etc.

With government efforts to combat drug trafficking and other major crime, getting a SIM card in many countries has become more of a hassle. To make matters worse, the laws seem to be very fluid in many countries.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2278829]To buy a SIM card you must have a CPF, the local Social Security number.[/QUOTE]I do have a CPF but I don't use when buying a TIM chip. I normally buy it in a place like Lojas Americanas and let them register / activate the card. It's also possible to activate buy yourself by phone, however it takes a lot of patience.

Salaam.

[QUOTE=ScoobieDiver;2278489]
Quick thing to note:. Airport money changers at most airports are big scams, but the one at SP airport is especially bad.[/QUOTE]Safra, what a joke these guys are. They have been given a monopoly at the airport and are charging 30-40% to sucker tourists. You read that right, 30-40%. So to get some local currency that leaves you with the option of putting your card into the GRU ATMs notorious for skimmer fraud. Awesome.

Bolsonaro's government said they want to encourage tourism. If they were serious the first thing they would do is clean up SP airport.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2278895]In the past, I have bought one at the TIM shop on Avenida Paulista. It was a bit more money than just buying it from a kiosk, but obviously a must have now days. There was also more process with registering your passport, etc.[/QUOTE]I remember I went to that TIM shop and the guy kept telling me I needed a CPF no matter how much I rolled my eyes at him. So I just went to their competitor next door and got a SIM there.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2278895]
With government efforts to combat drug trafficking and other major crime, getting a SIM card in many countries has become more of a hassle. To make matters worse, the laws seem to be very fluid in many countries.[/QUOTE]There is so much more common sense in Portugal. No registration needed there.

None of this bureaucracy is ever going to stop determined criminals, it just hassles ordinary folk.

Went today, Saturday, holiday weekend, local one (city birthday) not a national one. 2 pm and pretty dead. This holiday weekend is affecting some of the action. So check those holidays guys before you book your trip.

Arrived and only 5 girls present. As I left 2 more showed up. More guys than girls, most of the fellas just hanging out. Bought beer across the street. The guy even delivered some himself.

Picked one for a 30 min session before they all got ravaged. Cost R100. The hostess is very friendly and speaks some English. Rooms all budget basic setup. Bed, shower and air. Clean enough, I'v done it in far worse places.

Stopped by Chanes 57 also but was closed.

GF.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2278895]In the past, I have bought one at the TIM shop on Avenida Paulista. It was a bit more money than just buying it from a kiosk, but obviously a must have now days. There was also more process with registering your passport, etc.

With government efforts to combat drug trafficking and other major crime, getting a SIM card in many countries has become more of a hassle. To make matters worse, the laws seem to be very fluid in many countries.[/QUOTE]I got a plan with google Fi, they provide data in basically every country for $10 a gb and after 6 gb ($60) its free up to 15 gb.

I did this because supposedly colombian phone carriers block your phone if you get a sim and don't register your phone, which I did not when I got a tigo sim several months ago. The google fi sim worked great in medellin. Had fast data everywhere. Not sure if it will be as effective in sp, but posts on other sites seem to say it does.

Its much easier for me to do this rather than just hope for the best and get a sim in other countries as data is so important now with uber, google maps, and messaging working girls.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2279126]I do have a CPF but I don't use when buying a TIM chip. I normally buy it in a place like Lojas Americanas and let them register / activate the card. It's also possible to activate buy yourself by phone, however it takes a lot of patience.[/QUOTE]Sperto, are you talking of São Paulo or Rio?

ABG.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279196]Went today, Saturday, holiday weekend, local one (city birthday) not a national one. 2 pm and pretty dead. This holiday weekend is affecting some of the action. So check those holidays guys before you book your trip.

Arrived and only 5 girls present. As I left 2 more showed up. More guys than girls, most of the fellas just hanging out. Bought beer across the street. The guy even delivered some himself.

Picked one for a 30 min session before they all got ravaged. Cost R100. The hostess is very friendly and speaks some English. Rooms all budget basic setup. Bed, shower and air. Clean enough, I'v done it in far worse places.

Stopped by Chanes 57 also but was closed.

GF.[/QUOTE]GF, I was there last Friday, paid 150 reais and went up whit Thais Paranaense, a beautiful slim white girl from Curitiba, very GFE, excellent DFK, BBBJ, and CIM, gave her a tip for the excellent service. One hour 03 pops.

ABG.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2278895]In the past, I have bought one at the TIM shop on Avenida Paulista. It was a bit more money than just buying it from a kiosk, but obviously a must have now days. There was also more process with registering your passport, etc.

With government efforts to combat drug trafficking and other major crime, getting a SIM card in many countries has become more of a hassle. To make matters worse, the laws seem to be very fluid in many countries.[/QUOTE]I bought mine at Claro store in Shopping Cidade de Sao Paulo on Avenida Paulista in Feb2018. The girl in the store activated the chip. No problems whatsoever.

Visited Saturday night 1130 pm-stayed until 2 am, holiday weekend.

[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/[/URL]

This place is king of chica clubs from all my travels so far. Feels more like a resort with the largest check-in counter I have seen, maybe on par with Las Vegas hotel / casinos. Ground floor is parking lot and entrance to check-in counter. They require ID for the card that keeps track of your purchases. R250 for entry and some for consumable, there were other options for entry. Go to elevator, up one floor to club. Main room has stage, bar and lots of seating, felt like strip club atmosphere. Upstairs has seating as well but no one up there.

Slow night I was told. Ratio 1:1 girls, guys and must of been the "B" team as I only saw one 9 in the whole lot. Maybe 70 or so girls. Many stated to me it was slow due to the holiday weekend. I would rate most girls 7's with only a few standouts and many below that. I was surprised to see any fuglies inside a club of this caliber but there were several. Cool and relaxing outside seating area, bar was closed there. Restaurant looks very upscale, hell the whole place is upscale. I can't fault them for the high entry fee as the quality of the place is superb.

Beers were R35, not sure about chica drinks as I did not purchase any. Girls were asking R600 to R800, for hour action in house. Rooms in house were R250, so right off the bat with entry, chica, room your over R1000 for hour service. Never went up so don't know about the rooms but I do not doubt they are quality ones.

My conclusion would be, if only here for a few nights to a week and have the money to splurge then enjoy a blowout, you should have a good time. I have to budget my fun money as it must last for trips of a month or more. Even with my budget travel, I felt it worth it to pay the entry and enjoy the place like you would a strip club back in the states. I had a connection with the only 9 for me called Luna, be warned, its very hard to walk away from some of these girls without partaking. I could have broke my bank for her and enjoyed every second of it. But the bigger head won the day, but just barely.

GF.

Hi,

I was curious if their will still be lots of girls at Scandallo lounge during carnival? I have had some of the best nights of my life in Scandallo just want to know if it's worth a visit during carnival or dead?

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279196]Went today, Saturday, holiday weekend, local one (city birthday) not a national one. 2 pm and pretty dead. This holiday weekend is affecting some of the action. So check those holidays guys before you book your trip.

Arrived and only 5 girls present. As I left 2 more showed up. More guys than girls, most of the fellas just hanging out. Bought beer across the street. The guy even delivered some himself.

Picked one for a 30 min session before they all got ravaged. Cost R100. The hostess is very friendly and speaks some English. Rooms all budget basic setup. Bed, shower and air. Clean enough, I'v done it in far worse places.

Stopped by Chanes 57 also but was closed.

GF.[/QUOTE]The hostess in Tangara is the most friendly I've met in any similar place in Latin America. I am in Medellin now, the girls in the casas are great but the reception is dismal.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279377]Visited Saturday night 1130 pm-stayed until 2 am, holiday weekend.

[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/[/URL]

This place is king of chica clubs from all my travels so far. Feels more like a resort with the largest check-in counter I have seen, maybe on par with Las Vegas hotel / casinos. Ground floor is parking lot and entrance to check-in counter. They require ID for the card that keeps track of your purchases. R250 for entry and some for consumable, there were other options for entry. Go to elevator, up one floor to club. Main room has stage, bar and lots of seating, felt like strip club atmosphere. Upstairs has seating as well but no one up there.

Slow night I was told. Ratio 1:1 girls, guys and must of been the "B" team as I only saw one 9 in the whole lot. Maybe 70 or so girls. Many stated to me it was slow due to the holiday weekend. I would rate most girls 7's with only a few standouts and many below that. I was surprised to see any fuglies inside a club of this caliber but there were several. Cool and relaxing outside seating area, bar was closed there. Restaurant looks very upscale, hell the whole place is upscale. I can't fault them for the high entry fee as the quality of the place is superb.

Beers were R35, not sure about chica drinks as I did not purchase any. Girls were asking R600 to R800, for hour action in house. Rooms in house were R250, so right off the bat with entry, chica, room your over R1000 for hour service. Never went up so don't know about the rooms but I do not doubt they are quality ones.

My conclusion would be, if only here for a few nights to a week and have the money to splurge then enjoy a blowout, you should have a good time. I have to budget my fun money as it must last for trips of a month or more. Even with my budget travel, I felt it worth it to pay the entry and enjoy the place like you would a strip club back in the states. I had a connection with the only 9 for me called Luna, be warned, its very hard to walk away from some of these girls without partaking. I could have broke my bank for her and enjoyed every second of it. But the bigger head won the day, but just barely.

GF.[/QUOTE]Great report and captures the key ideas — it is very luxe and it's really about the club EXPERIENCE as much as the girls themselves. I was lucky to find my 9 quite quickly.

To complete the picture, the rooms are very nice but not as luxe say as Felina Barcelona or Penthouse Moscow. The best feature though is the little revolving bank door. You can call down and order drinks and they deliver them while you are suitably engaged. It adds to the King of the World feeling.

[URL]http://www.bahamashotelclub.com.br/[/URL]

Are. Dos Chanés, 571 (a few blocks from Chanes 57).

Visited Saturday around 11 pm then went to Scandalous, returned Sunday at 4 pm. Holiday weekend.

Entrance fee only was R110, they had other options more expensive with consumable included. I did not plan to stay long either time so went with just the cover charge option. They give you a wrist thing with number on it to keep track of your purchases. Much like the FKKs.

Its more spacious and upscale than Chanes 57 but with about 15 girls Saturday night and maybe 8 Sunday afternoon. Two of the girls Sunday I also saw at Chanes 57 during the week. I had sessioned with one of them. The entry people said I could leave and return same day without charge. Good option if you wanted to see the day and night shift of girls. As far as I know this is the only 24 HR chica place in town which includes Sunday. The setup is part spa, part lounge, part chica bar and rooms. Its not loud and has good lighting so you can see all the ladies clearly. It is right up my alley, slower pace, decent surroundings, medium selection of girls (small for alot of you), I could see again about 5 doable ladies for me before I took 2 sips of my beer. A couple of Venezuelans, so Spanish speaking and a couple of decent English speaking ladies in the mix as well. They have food, cigars, well stocked bar and pool table. Downstairs they have a sauna, steam baths. Use to have pool but now a fish pond. Locker rooms to change in with towels and several poker tables. Not sure if they are in use anymore. The main room has lots of seating, sofas, tables and a pool table.

Everyone really friendly. Went with a ISG buddy to check out Saturday night. We wanted to also see Scandalous so we shot a game of pool and a few beers and then left for the other club. I was enamored with a natural redhead named Flavia. Funny because we both pegged her for a Russian / Ukrainian girl. She is full Brazilian and speaks the best English I have yet heard here. I have fantasized about a natural redhead my whole life so wanted to secure a date with her so arranged to be first her next work day. Which was Sunday and since it seems its slow already due to the Holiday weekend and a Sunday, I set a time of 4 pm which is when she starts. Just as she said she was there getting ready to come to the floor when I arrived. Got a gatorade, redbull and we went on to the rooms.

Great service, I was so ready to jump on her the minute we showered. But she sensed that and slowed me down by wanting to do a strip dance for me. Then she places me on the bed lying down and is nude dancing above me straddled. _itch, I was full on caveman now. She does light kissing and a great BBBJ. She has that freckled unblemished white skin like most natural reds. No tattoos and is just a living doll. Give her oral to orgasm but is to sensitive to take any more. I love the ladies who can take wave upon wave of oral. I finally had enough and just bring her to the edge of the bed and do standing missionary the whole time admiring this beauty before me. She has a sweet fun disposition and hope to finish with her again outside the club. Time will tell.

The rooms are small but with beds and air, charges are as follows. Hour service was R600 for girl, you give to the girl and each one you negotiate price with and any specifics. Room was R130, beer R35, gatorade R18, redbull R39 and they do a 10% tax on the drinks perhaps food too (not sure did not have any). Its pricey as well but not as much as Scandalous. I like that it is in Moema which was my barrio during my stay in SP.

GF.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2279308]Sperto, are you talking of So Paulo or Rio?

ABG.[/QUOTE]Rio de Janeiro, Fortaleza and Salvador.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2279462]The hostess in Tangara is the most friendly I've met in any similar place in Latin America. I am in Medellin now, the girls in the casas are great but the reception is dismal.[/QUOTE]Susan is the name of the hostess! She speaks some English but is very patient with gringo customers trying to answer all doubts.

Today is Susan's day off so we were received by Amanda. I and my ISG fellow went respectively with Bell, a nice baiana and he went with Hellen a big boobs mulata. Both DFK, BBBJ, and CIM.

Tangara has the best line up of the clinicas on Sundays, Amanda also is very helpful to the foreign customers.

ABG.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279377]Visited Saturday night 1130 pm-stayed until 2 am, holiday weekend.

[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/[/URL]

This place is king of chica clubs from all my travels so far. Feels more like a resort with the largest check-in counter I have seen, maybe on par with Las Vegas hotel / casinos. Ground floor is parking lot and entrance to check-in counter. They require ID for the card that keeps track of your purchases. R250 for entry and some for consumable, there were other options for entry. Go to elevator, up one floor to club. Main room has stage, bar and lots of seating, felt like strip club atmosphere. Upstairs has seating as well but no one up there.

Slow night I was told. Ratio 1:1 girls, guys and must of been the "B" team as I only saw one 9 in the whole lot. Maybe 70 or so girls. Many stated to me it was slow due to the holiday weekend. I would rate most girls 7's with only a few standouts and many below that. I was surprised to see any fuglies inside a club of this caliber but there were several. Cool and relaxing outside seating area, bar was closed there. Restaurant looks very upscale, hell the whole place is upscale. I can't fault them for the high entry fee as the quality of the place is superb.

Beers were R35, not sure about chica drinks as I did not purchase any. Girls were asking R600 to R800, for hour action in house. Rooms in house were R250, so right off the bat with entry, chica, room your over R1000 for hour service. Never went up so don't know about the rooms but I do not doubt they are quality ones.

My conclusion would be, if only here for a few nights to a week and have the money to splurge then enjoy a blowout, you should have a good time. I have to budget my fun money as it must last for trips of a month or more. Even with my budget travel, I felt it worth it to pay the entry and enjoy the place like you would a strip club back in the states. I had a connection with the only 9 for me called Luna, be warned, its very hard to walk away from some of these girls without partaking. I could have broke my bank for her and enjoyed every second of it. But the bigger head won the day, but just barely.

GF.[/QUOTE]GF great report, I also never went to the bedrooms because every time I went there I was a wingman to a visitor. Your report is very accurate, I only wanted to add a little note informing Scandallo has a happy hour until 7 PM were the entrance costs 150 reais totally consumable. There is a fine restaurant on premises. I have had excellent meals there.

I usually use the time my gest is seasoning to chat with the girls.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2279567]Susan is the name of the hostess! She speaks some English but is very patient with gringo customers trying to answer all doubts.

Today is Susan's day off so we were received by Amanda. I and my ISG fellow went respectively with Bell, a nice baiana and he went with Hellen a big boobs mulata. Both DFK, BBBJ, and CIM.

Tangara has the best line up of the clinicas on Sundays, Amanda also is very helpful to foreign customers.

ABG.[/QUOTE]The name of the mulata is Kelly.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2279567]Susan is the name of the hostess! She speaks some English but is very patient with gringo customers trying to answer all doubts.

Today is Susan's day off so we were received by Amanda. I and my ISG fellow went respectively with Bell, a nice baiana and he went with Hellen a big boobs mulata. Both DFK, BBBJ, and CIM.

Tangara has the best line up of the clinicas on Sundays, Amanda also is very helpful to foreign customers.

ABG.[/QUOTE]The name of the mulata is Kelly.

ABG.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2278269]Another low-cost night club will be Muchachos Club, near Largo 13 in Santo Amaro. For 100 reais you get a nice service for half hour, girls are in a range to 5 / 6 but sometimes you can find real gems there!

Can't remember the entrance fee but must be not above 30 reais.

I went by car but you can go by metro, Google the address and find out. It's on the new Santo Amaro line.

ABG.[/QUOTE]Enjoy Spa is supposedly open until 2 AM weekdays, with 3-4 girls from my experience available at that time, so that may be another option.

Thanks GF for the Bahamas review. I was tempted to try but I only had 1 night in SP proper and didn't want to risk a fail -- so I stuck w Sandalo and Casarao. But it sounds like a viable option, with an experience part to it which I like.

Unless Thifany and I are still a thing next time I visit (in which case she is traveling with me) I will be checking out Bahamas.

Salaam, Fellow Fisher!

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279377] They require ID for the card that keeps track of your purchases.[/QUOTE]Wait, are you saying they actually ask to see your passport? That seems like terrible form for any club. And why would local businessmen give up their CPF's when the point is to get away from their wives as discreetly as possible?

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279377]
I was surprised to see any fuglies inside a club of this caliber but there were several.[/QUOTE]I've had similar surprises at "elite" clubs all around the world. For example at Bomboa I've found some pretty girls but I've also had plain women over 40 sit down with me without being invited, pester me for tips, that kind of thing. I don't get the point of having them in the club, as they are just blocking the legitimate business of the nubile women.

Just my 2 dirhams.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2279664]Salaam, Fellow Fisher!

Wait, are you saying they actually ask to see your passport? That seems like terrible form for any club. And why would local businessmen give up their CPF's when the point is to get away from their wives as discreetly as possible?
[/QUOTE]Yes, they ask for ID, my buddy had brought a photocopy of his passport. I had none with me, so they asked for CC but I only carry cash. Finally the girl let me just tell her my name. I do not know if this is allowed all the time with all the check-in personnel. I might just have been lucky due to it being a slow night and with a buddy. Did not want to lose 2 clients over ID. But again I would bring it next time to avoid the hassle but each to their own.

Another note on these 2 nightclubs, Scandalous and Bahamas, the girls are not allowed to bring cell phones out onto the floors. So they are concentrated more on showing you their wares and getting down to business, like the old days. Ha ha, some of you know what I mean.

GF.

I wanted to share my thoughts about this area of town.

I stayed on the opposite side of Ave. Ibirapuera from the upscale shopping center. No action here, plenty of eateries, shops, one bank, open farmers type market on Bem Te-Vi which was open Wed but not all days of the week. So if anyone knows their days open please share. For extended stays I like to buy some fruit for the house. All the action in this area is behind the Shopping Center Ibirapuera. Next time I would stay here as to be within easy walking distance of all the offerings in the area. I still walked from my spot to all these places but during those heavy rain showers it would have been nice to be closer to home. A poncho or umbrella is necessary this time of year, Jan, due to the spring like showers that pop up in the afternoons. That can be intense. Blew the power out of my block for a time one day.

The big park Ibirapuera is worth a look. Near gate 4 is the bike rental facilities, need ID and the rate per hour is cheap. Go to the green tents. Must return bikes here. There are yellow bikes I saw for use like most city's are providing. Need a app, I suppose. I mostly walked.

Metro is easy and 2 stations, Line 5 for the area, Moema and Eucaliptos, they are new stations but be careful of the maps you consult as some do not show the line connecting to other lines. It does at Santa Cruz over to Line 1 and at Chcara Klabin over to Line 2. There are multiple types of transit cards to purchase at the ticket booth. I did not know the differences between them so just accepted the card the attendant gave me. The cards are positioned on the glass of the booth for you to scan over.

Lots of food choices in the area and a good live music club Bourbon Street. I did not get to visit but everyone I asked spoke highly about it. If you want quality churiscurria and budget price go to the food court at the mall. Across from the taco bell (yes they have one), is a nice setup. You pay by the weight, get the card with number so you can get several plates, weighing each one. It all gets added and you give the card to the waiter to bring you the bill. I had 3 meals here and loved each one.

The airport noise is not as bad it sounds. They quit operation near midnight I think or it slows down a bit so I never noticed during sleeping hours. It picks back up around 6 am, I think, I'm usually still out.

GF.

P.S., this should be my last entry in this thread, fly out tomorrow. I do recommend visiting SP, lots of variety of places to enjoy the game, quality food and entertainment. Curious thing, never ran across a movie cinema. Good public transportation, quality lodging for all budgets and most of all the service of the ladies is world class. All of course, IMHO.

Hey GF,

Nice trip reports. Just wanted to touch on a couple of things from your Moema report.

First, the street markets. Here is a website that shows all of the markets in the city and when they are open:

[URL]https://www9.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/secretarias/sdte/pesquisa/feiras/[/URL]

You mentioned cheap churrascaria at the mall. Most likely it is Mania as they are cheap and in every mall. They are cheap because they buy their meat from slaughter houses that have been fined for poor hygiene. The last time I ate at one there was a worm in my steak. Consider yourself lucky. Everyone else, you have been forewarned.

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279748]open farmers type market on Bem Te-Vi which was open Wed but not all days of the week. So if anyone knows their days open please share. [/QUOTE]There is a "feira livre" on Sundays on Avenida Lavandisca and Alameda Jauaperi area.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2279861]There is a "feira livre" on Sundays on Avenida Lavandisca and Alameda Jauaperi area.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is the one I was referring to, although this past Wed it was on Jauaperi and Bem Te-Vi. On Google maps is shows up as "Bem Te-Vi market". The market kinda makes a T with the two streets. Does anyone know the weekly schedule? It was not open last weekend perhaps due the local holiday.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2279309]GF, I was there last Friday, paid 150 reais and went up whit Thais Paranaense, a beautiful slim white girl from Curitiba, very GFE, excellent DFK, BBBJ, and CIM, gave her a tip for the excellent service. One hour 03 pops.[/QUOTE]Three pops in one hour? I always got the impression you're a more mature gentleman.

What's you secret? Oysters, guava, farofa?

[QUOTE=GoneFishin;2279885]Yes, that is the one I was referring to, although this past Wed it was on Jauaperi and Bem Te-Vi. On Google maps is shows up as "Bem Te-Vi market". The market kinda makes a T with the two streets. Does anyone know the weekly schedule? It was not open last weekend perhaps due the local holiday.[/QUOTE]Wednesday.

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2279779]Hey GF,

Nice trip reports. Just wanted to touch on a couple of things from your Moema report.

First, the street markets. Here is a website that shows all of the markets in the city and when they are open:
[URL]https://www9.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/secretarias/sdte/pesquisa/feiras/[/URL]
You mentioned cheap churrascaria at the mall. Most likely it is Mania as they are cheap and in every mall. They are cheap because they buy their meat from slaughter houses that have been fined for poor hygiene. The last time I ate at one there was a worm in my steak. Consider yourself lucky. Everyone else, you have been forewarned.[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks for the market info and headsup on the buffet place. They were always busy so it seemed like a popular place among the locals. No extra calories in my meat, gracias a dios.

Hi folks,

I have read most of the post as far back as 50 pages or so. As this is my first post and have not contributed anything to this forum. But I would be really appreciate if you guys share your wisdom and help me. I would write reports and share my experiences.

I am definitely going to Tangara, Casarao and also Scandallo. I love all kinds of women but I prefer a mature lade (age not more than 45), does not really need to be super hot but as long as it looks good, definitely not too fat.

Question 1, is there any chance I could find in Tangara and Casarao? Thanks in advance for answers.

I am thinking of going to Campinas to visit Moustache to pull out all night to my hotel?

Question 2, Is that worth to go just to Moustache? What is the best time to go to Moustache? 11 pm? Earlier than that? Or in the evening? Honesty, if I go to Fazandinha, it make brakes my bank, in other words, I do not have luxury of cash to spend.

Last question, I am really embarrassed to let people know that I have suffered premature ejaculations most of my adult life. Therefore, arranging an hour with working girls does not work for me as I always finish having sex under five minutes. To get to point, I prefer to take a girl to my hotel and pay for all night fee.

Is there any chance I could get lucky to find a gem in Casarao? Or better ask a phone number from Tangara girl and arrange to meet up outside? Please.

Thank you so much guys. It would be really appreciate if you could answer my questions. I will be sharing my experience to you guys.

[QUOTE=Melbranco;2280075]
Last question, I am really embarrassed to let people know that I have suffered premature ejaculations most of my adult life. Therefore, arranging an hour with working girls does not work for me as I always finish having sex under five minutes.
[/QUOTE]Salaam, Mel, if you are dealing with a Brazilian beauty that would be two minutes. Basically you will cream your pants as soon as she DFKs you. The upside is that you can get 30 pops in the hour. My advice is to pay by time not by pop.

[QUOTE=Melbranco;2280075]
Is there any chance I could get lucky to find a gem in Casarao? Or better ask a phone number from Tangara girl and arrange to meet up outside? Please.[/QUOTE]Seriously though you might try one of the elite clinics like Oro Spa (evening is good). Tell them that all you want is a stern massage for the first 58 minutes. They are more likely to listen to your special needs than a mid-range clinica or any of those dangerously beautiful hustlers at Casarao.

If you are looking for an all-nighter, consider going to Bomboa (which includes some mature women to my chagrin), sit down, let the women approach you, and chat with them using Google Translate until you get one on your wavelength. Inshallah you can get her Whatsapp, and contact her later for an all-nighter.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2279891]Three pops in one hour? I always got the impression you're a more mature gentleman.

What's you secret? Oysters, guava, farofa?[/QUOTE]One pill of GENERIC CIALIS.

[QUOTE=Melbranco;2280075]

Last question, I am really embarrassed to let people know that I have suffered premature ejaculations most of my adult life. Therefore, arranging an hour with working girls does not work for me as I always finish having sex under five minutes. To get to point, I prefer to take a girl to my hotel and pay for all night fee.

[/QUOTE]I buy generic viagra with Dapoxetine and it works great to delay premature ejaculation.

Dapoxetine, marketed as Priligy and Westoxetin among others, is a medication used for the treatment of premature ejaculation (PE) in men 1864 years old. Dapoxetine works by inhibiting the serotonin transporter, increasing serotonin's action at the post synaptic cleft, and as a consequence promoting ejaculatory delay.

[QUOTE=Melbranco;2280075]Hi folks,

I have read most of the post as far back as 50 pages or so. As this is my first post and have not contributed anything to this forum. But I would be really appreciate if you guys share your wisdom and help me. I would write reports and share my experiences.

I am definitely going to Tangara, Casarao and also Scandallo. I love all kinds of women but I prefer a mature lade (age not more than 45), does not really need to be super hot but as long as it looks good, definitely not too fat.

Question 1, is there any chance I could find in Tangara and Casarao? Thanks in advance for answers.

I am thinking of going to Campinas to visit Moustache to pull out all night to my hotel?

Question 2, Is that worth to go just to Moustache? What is the best time to go to Moustache? 11 pm? Earlier than that? Or in the evening? Honesty, if I go to Fazandinha, it make brakes my bank, in other words, I do not have luxury of cash to spend.

Last question, I am really embarrassed to let people know that I have suffered premature ejaculations most of my adult life. Therefore, arranging an hour with working girls does not work for me as I always finish having sex under five minutes. To get to point, I prefer to take a girl to my hotel and pay for all night fee.

Is there any chance I could get lucky to find a gem in Casarao? Or better ask a phone number from Tangara girl and arrange to meet up outside? Please.

Thank you so much guys. It would be really appreciate if you could answer my questions. I will be sharing my experience to you guys.[/QUOTE]I'll be glad to help you. Please PM me for details.

ABG.

Melbranco,

Yes you can get numbers from girls and make arrangements for them to visit your apartment and some will spend the night. Go to casarão and get 5+ numbers. Ask how much to come over and how much to spend the night. Spend a little time talking with the girl first. Look for a good connection.

Same in Tangara. Get the number at the end of the session while in the room. This is girl dependent. Again, look for the connection. You're not paying for sex in the sense that the experience should not be a transaction. It's more like helping a friend who gets naked with you. The standard cost for extra at Tangara is R50. That might be CIM, or anal.

Scandallo is the place that will break your budget. Worth a visit and lists of hot chicks. If you can develop a good connection you can get one at a reasonable price.

Prices for spending the night. R250-600 is standard. I had one girl who was really into me, like wanting to live together and her price from the beginning was R250 per night. I have another one who is always asking for R700. I tell her I can pay R500. The Tangara girl visiting for an hour or two should only run R150-250. R250 is for at least two hours. Depending on the girl and the length of time, I might take her out to dinner. Again, think connection like you are dating. As someone once said, these girls aren't selling poontang, they're selling dreams.

Campinas. Never been, imagine the drive is quite long. Suppose you could fly, but what's the point? Everything you want besides the beach is in São Paulo.

[QUOTE=LarryDavid;2280454]Melbranco,

Yes you can get numbers from girls and make arrangements for them to visit your apartment and some will spend the night. Go to casaro and get 5+ numbers. Ask how much to come over and how much to spend the night. Spend a little time talking with the girl first. Look for a good connection.

Same in Tangara. Get the number at the end of the session while in the room. This is girl dependent. Again, look for the connection. You're not paying for sex in the sense that the experience should not be a transaction. It's more like helping a friend who gets naked with you. The standard cost for extra at Tangara is R50. That might be CIM, or anal.

Scandallo is the place that will break your budget. Worth a visit and lists of hot chicks. If you can develop a good connection you can get one at a reasonable price.

Prices for spending the night. R250-600 is standard. I had one girl who was really into me, like wanting to live together and her price from the beginning was R250 per night. I have another one who is always asking for R700. I tell her I can pay R500. The Tangara girl visiting for an hour or two should only run R150-250. R250 is for at least two hours. Depending on the girl and the length of time, I might take her out to dinner. Again, think connection like you are dating. As someone once said, these girls aren't selling poontang, they're selling dreams.

Campinas. Never been, imagine the drive is quite long. Suppose you could fly, but what's the point? Everything you want besides the beach is in So Paulo.[/QUOTE]No sense to go to Campinas, Fazendinha is almost as expensive as is Scandallo, and the second one has a much better line up.

Learn some Portuguese in order to be able to maintain a conversation with the girls, almost none of the girls speak English.

[QUOTE=AltoBomGosto;2280904]No sense to go to Campinas, Fazendinha is almost as expensive as is Scandallo, and the second one has a much better line up.

Learn some Portuguese in order to be able to maintain a conversation with the girls, almost none of the girls speak English.[/QUOTE]I agree on all counts. I only was In Campinas on business and got lucky with hits at both Moustache and Fazendinha, but I wouldn't drive there exclusively for that. I mean if you want a change of pace and some adventure sure its a nice city. But would not go for girls only. SP is plenty target rich.

And definitely learn some Portuguese. It's a lot of fun the girls are so impressed you bothered that it really breaks the ice. If u had either high school French or Spanish it’s not very hard.

At Tangara, 35 garotas, choose Rosana, nice 22 yo mulatinha, nice afro Brazilian face, big tits, she is lactating, nice apple butt!

Very good DFK, then BBBJ and CIM, didn't ask but I gave her 20 reais for excellent performance in CIM. Swallowed all cum!

Better call before and make sure she's available, some days she takes off to nourish her baby.

ABG.

I am a member on the USASG site. Visiting Indaiatuba for a week in the next few weeks. Based on reading the forum, I have been checking on the photoencompantes website. Any other website or social media sites I need to check out? I seen a Campinas board as well but not much info there. Any help is appreciated. TIA.

Hi fellas,

I just got back after a few days seeing the city with AltoBomGosta, and had a blast in Sao Paulo. I'll share my impressions of the city, the several places he took me to and why his guide services are so important. First, Sao Paulo is a busy city where the different places to go for fun are very spread out. There's no district like Soi Cowboy to speak of, so it's hard to know how to get to the different places you'd want to check out. Also, very few people speak any English at all, and this includes the women, restaurant workers, shopping centers, etc. So unless you know the language, you're going to have a very difficult time finding places and speaking with people about even basic things.

ABG took me to a few places, each with a different personality and pricing. Tangara is clearly his favourite. For me, the hourly pricing of R180 was a great deal. Lots of great selection. If you want a better selection, get there earlier in the day, say around lunch time. If you get there after 3 pm, the selection is not as good and there's a lot of dudes hanging around for what seems like no reason at all. Enjoy Spa is a little fancier, with nice rooms, nice waiting area, and no dudes just hanging around. I think the hourly rate was R250. I liked Tangara but personally, it was second to Enjoy, where the women were more dressed up and made up. But in reality, the women at Enjoy also spend a day or two working at Tangara, but are a little less dressed up and made up when at Tangara. I think Sunday is a day where many from other places show up. He also took me to Miruna, but I did not find the selection as good as either Tangara or Enjoy. Miruna's pricing is about halfway between Tangara and Enjoy.

OK, here's the important tip: spend your money wisely by taking up ABG's guide services. This guy is fun to talk to and helps you learn about the country, but more importantly, he saves you time, money and provides great recommendations on who to choose. He helps negotiate in Portuguese, which is essential. He also drives you around! And because they know him at the places, you end up getting better service than a one-time gringo visiting for few days only. Basically, ABG has invested tons of his own time and money over many years to know the scene and the women. So you can benefit from that. Now if you have a car in town, speak the language and have three months in Sampa to try different places and women, you probably don't need him. For everyone else, you will have a way more enjoyable time with him. I will use him the next time I am there again. This is not me trying to advertise for him. I simply cannot imagine having anywhere near as good a time had I tried to learn without him. ABG. Thanks a lot, brother!

[QUOTE=Sparky17;2281357]I am a member on the USASG site. Visiting Indaiatuba for a week in the next few weeks. Based on reading the forum, I have been checking on the photoencompantes website. Any other website or social media sites I need to check out? I seen a Campinas board as well but not much info there. Any help is appreciated. TIA.[/QUOTE]There is a whole neighborhood of HO hoses called Jardim Itatinga, between Viracopos Airport and Campinas. Best way to know it is to have some Brazilian guide to drive you there (a friendly cab driver also may work OK). There must be more than a 100 casas, from all kinds of prices, there are also street walkers. But the majority are low profile Bordellos.

It has been more than 10 years that I haven't been there so I cannot recommend any particular casa. Although there is a police patrol always circulating, if you don't speak reasonable Portuguese you might get in trouble, news has been displayed showing

tourist being robbed there.

My advice is pick up a Cometa bus in Campinas to Sao Paulo They depart every 15 minutes, and go to a good clinic, at the moment Tangara has the best cast and English speaking receptionists.

Please. PM me for more details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Sparky17;2281357]I am a member on the USASG site. Visiting Indaiatuba for a week in the next few weeks. Based on reading the forum, I have been checking on the photoencompantes website. Any other website or social media sites I need to check out? I seen a Campinas board as well but not much info there. Any help is appreciated. TIA.[/QUOTE]As you say Campinas board is dead. Had to do all the research myself. If you have a moderate budget (say US $200-300) you can have a great time at Fazendinha [URL]www.fazendinha.com[/URL]. It's about a 30 minute ride from where you are. They have a shuttle that picks up in Campinas. They would probably come to you. Contact the owner on Whatsapp -- they are very good to work with.

Fazendinha is a large property (the name means little farm) that includes a Boate and onsite rooms. This is where I met the famous Thifany and also had a duo with her friend. Entry is R200 all consumable. Girls are generally R300-R500 and room is maybe R150.

Full disclosure I spent US$500 but I had a whale of a time over a 5 hour period.

Hi fellas,

I just got back after a few days seeing the city with AltoBomGosta, and had a blast in Sao Paulo. I'll share my impressions of the city, the several places he took me to and why his guide services are so important. First, Sao Paulo is a busy city where the different places to go for fun are very spread out. There's no concentrated district like Soi Cowboy to speak of, so it's hard to know how to get to the different places you'd want to check out. Also, very few people speak any English at all, and this includes the women, restaurant workers, shopping centers, etc. So unless you know the language, you're going to have a very difficult time finding places and speaking with people about even basic things.

ABG took me to a few places, each with a different personality and pricing. Tangara is clearly his favorite. For me, the hourly pricing of R180 was a great deal. Lots of great selection. If you want a better selection, get there earlier in the day, say around lunch time. If you get there after 3 pm, the selection is not as good and there's a lot of dudes hanging around for what seems like no reason at all. Enjoy Spa is a little fancier, with nicer rooms, nicer waiting area, and no dudes that seem to just hang around. I think the hourly rate was R250. I liked Tangara but personally, I like Enjoy's environment more, where the women were more dressed up and made up. But in reality, the women at Enjoy also spend a day or two working at Tangara, but are a little less dressed up and made up when at Tangara. I think Sunday is a day where many from other places show up. He also took me to Miruna, but I did not find the selection as good as either Tangara or Enjoy. Miruna's women do not seem to also work at Tangara, and its pricing is about halfway between Tangara and Enjoy.

Here's the important tip: spend your money wisely by taking up ABG's guide services. This guy is fun to talk to and helps you learn about the country, but more importantly, he saves you time, money and provides great recommendations on who to choose (seriously, his recommendations turned out to be really fantastic with the service). He helps negotiate in Portugese, which is essential. He also drives you around to all the different places! And because they know him at the places, you end up getting better service than a one-time gringo visiting for few days only would. He doesn't rush you on anything as he simply enjoys the scene too. Basically, ABG has invested tons of his own time and money over many years to know the scene and the women. So being able to benefit from that is of tremendous practical value. Now if you have a car in town, speak the language and have three months in Sampa to try many different places and many different women, you might not need him. For everyone else, I believe you need him and will also have a way more enjoyable time with him. I will use him the next time I am there again. This is not me trying to advertise for him. I simply cannot imagine having anywhere near as good a time had I tried to learn without him. ABG. Thanks a lot, brother!

[QUOTE=ScoobieDiver;2282059] Snip. ABG took me to a few places, each with a different personality and pricing. Tangara is clearly his favorite. For me, the hourly pricing of R180 was a great deal. Lots of great selection. If you want a better selection, get there earlier in the day, say around lunch time. If you get there after 3 pm, the selection is not as good and there's a lot of dudes hanging around for what seems like no reason at all. Enjoy Spa is a little fancier, with nicer rooms, nicer waiting area, and no dudes that seem to just hang around. I think the hourly rate was R250. I liked Tangara but personally, I like Enjoy's environment more, where the women were more dressed up and made up. Snip.[/QUOTE]The price at Tangara was 150/ hour and at Enjoy it was 200/ hour (for posters on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] or [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] it was 180/ HR) when I was there in November. Per [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL], those were still the prices as of mid-January (with some posters there reporting paying 160/ HR at Enjoy Spa). Why did you pay more, especially since you were there with ABG, who should know the prices?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2280934]I agree on all counts. I only was In Campinas on business and got lucky with hits at both Moustache and Fazendinha, but I wouldn't drive there exclusively for that. I mean if you want a change of pace and some adventure sure its a nice city. But would not go for girls only. SP is plenty target rich.

And definitely learn some Portuguese. It's a lot of fun the girls are so impressed you bothered that it really breaks the ice. If u had either high school French or Spanish its not very hard.[/QUOTE]Thank Steve and ABG. ABG I am not Senior yet. I wish I would have stayed another night in Sao Paola. We still might come a day earlier on departure. If so I will keep you posted.

Saw your other posts Steve. I might check it out. How was the English there?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282128]The price at Tangara was 150/ hour and at Enjoy it was 200/ hour (for posters on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] or [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] it was 180/ HR) when I was there in November. Per [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL], those were still the prices as of mid-January (with some posters there reporting paying 160/ HR at Enjoy Spa). Why did you pay more, especially since you were there with ABG, who should know the prices?[/QUOTE]Salaam. Enjoy charged me 240/ hour. Apparently locals can get 160/ hour -- as long as they give up their anonymity and agree to post positive reviews of the club. Actually prices seem to be all over the place. There is one constant though: gringos will always pay more!

When I went to Enjoy Spa, I had an awful experience, quite unlike the other clinicas. The girl at Enjoy didn't really want to do anything at all. It was so bad I had to abandon the session, which I never do. At reception I explained politely what had happened: then a pimp-like character -- apparently the owner -- emerged and started insulting me wildly! I was absolutely gobsmacked. I go back a long way with Brazil and consider it a pretty gringo-friendly country but there is a seriously anti-gringo vibe at Enjoy Spa. The receptionist looked miserable, like this happens a lot and she wished she was working somewhere else. There were no other customers, so I guess the locals know well enough to AVOID Enjoy Spa.

I know this post will annoy some long-time posters on this thread but the truth needs to get out to newbies: there are about ten other clinicas within 1 km of Enjoy where you can get much better service, and all without paying a gringo price, or paying a local or guide for "protection". Just scroll through this thread to find them.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282174]Salaam. Enjoy charged me 240/ hour. Apparently locals can get 160/ hour -- as long as they give up their anonymity and agree to post positive reviews of the club. Actually prices seem to be all over the place. There is one constant though: gringos will always pay more!

When I went to Enjoy Spa, I had an awful experience, quite unlike the other clinicas. The girl at Enjoy didn't really want to do anything at all. It was so bad I had to abandon the session, which I never do. At reception I explained politely what had happened: then a pimp-like character -- apparently the owner -- emerged and started insulting me wildly! I was absolutely gobsmacked. I go back a long way with Brazil and consider it a pretty gringo-friendly country but there is a seriously anti-gringo vibe at Enjoy Spa. The receptionist looked miserable, like this happens a lot and she wished she was working somewhere else. There were no other customers, so I guess the locals know well enough to AVOID Enjoy Spa.

I know this post will annoy some long-time posters on this thread but the truth needs to get out to newbies: there are about ten other clinicas within 1 km of Enjoy where you can get much better service, and all without paying a gringo price, or paying a local or guide for "protection". Just scroll through this thread to find them.[/QUOTE]I look as gringo as they come and I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.

However, even if ScoobieDiver was a gringo who didn't speak Portuguese and was not a member of those forums, he was with ABG, a known local, who should have gotten him the non-gringo price.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282174]When I went to Enjoy Spa, I had an awful experience, quite unlike the other clinicas. The girl at Enjoy didn't really want to do anything at all. It was so bad I had to abandon the session, which I never do. At reception I explained politely what had happened: then a pimp-like character -- apparently the owner -- emerged and started insulting me wildly! I was absolutely gobsmacked. I go back a long way with Brazil and consider it a pretty gringo-friendly country but there is a seriously anti-gringo vibe at Enjoy Spa. The receptionist looked miserable, like this happens a lot and she wished she was working somewhere else. There were no other customers, so I guess the locals know well enough to AVOID Enjoy Spa.

I know this post will annoy some long-time posters on this thread but the truth needs to get out to newbies: there are about ten other clinicas within 1 km of Enjoy where you can get much better service, and all without paying a gringo price, or paying a local or guide for "protection". Just scroll through this thread to find them.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you had such a bad experience at Enjoy. I went there as a Sampa newbie and had quite a good experience as far as the clinicas go. I literally enjoyed Enjoy Spa! Seeing that I was mostly disappointed with the whole clinica experience, I want to speak up for one of the few establishments where I felt I personally had a decent experience. I suppose YMMV, but I had a good time and the staff and girls were pleasant enough to me. I would therefore recommend Enjoy Spa.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282177]I look as gringo as they come and I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.

However, even if ScoobieDiver was a gringo who didn't speak Portuguese and was not a member of those forums, he was with ABG, a known local, who should have gotten him the non-gringo price.[/QUOTE]I find this whole "gringo price" stuff to be ridiculous. The prices are usually posted on a placard in full view or on a card that reception will show if asked. I know in Brooklin for example they are on a placard right on the wall by the reception. The posted prices are usually the "non-forista" price. There is no gringo price. There is just a "regular" price and a "forista" price (Tangara excepted, to be explained). Forista (as in 'those who post TDs in the gp-guia forum) is the discount price, which some here may mistakenly refer to as the "local" price. Calling it the "local" price is a misnomer. There are many locals who do not get the forista discount because they do not post on the forum. Likewise, most gringos, pay the 'regular" price because they too do not post on the forum. So there is regular and forista. That is it. There is no "gringo" price. There may be misunderstanding. I have read several reports over the years on this board where guys complain of being overcharged and "gringo'd" but in most cases that I have read, when one reads all the details there was a misunderstanding of the house rules, re entrances and consumption, or time limits etc.

The only place I ever heard of that had a legitimate rip off policy was a boate called Romanza which was notorious for silently padding the bill and overcharging drunk customers. And they paid taxi drivers to bring them tourists. They were a true clip joint. But the clinicas? Not in my experience. Just regular price and forista price. That is all you need to know to ask about. Vani's places like Tangara and Espaco Vergeiro and Redway do not offer a forista price, they only offer a "regular" price. They compensate by having a fidelity program where you get a card punched for every visit and after so many visits you get 1/2 price or full price discount.

Cheers.

So we have recently had two reviews complaining and suggesting guys avoid Moema Prime and enjoy. All I can say is, its a shame the guys who visited had bad experiences, but as someone who knows these places well, there is absolutely no reason for readers of this forum to "avoid" those places. Misunderstandings can happen anywhere in Brazil if you are not fluent in Portuguese. The women who work in the places are human, some are better than others, some are tired at the end of the day. One guy's negative experience should not be taken as the definitive reason for others to avoid a place. If there is a consensus of bad reports, then sure, that will be something to pay attention to.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282177]I look as gringo as they come and I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.

However, even if ScoobieDiver was a gringo who didn't speak Portuguese and was not a member of those forums, he was with ABG, a known local, who should have gotten him the non-gringo price.[/QUOTE]Do Does anybody know the names of the girl and the guy who mistreated you? Although management has changed there Scooby Diver and I were well treated at Enjoy.

Enjoy and most of the clinicas have a discount if you report your experience in the GP GUIA forum, as is the case of Jimmy Boy. There is no such thing as a gringo price. If you became a member of the GP GUIA and have posted you will be entitled to the discount too. But tell the receptionist that you are a GP GUIA member, she will check your post before you go up with a girl. Then you have the discount. If you are a member check on the GP GUIA the discounts each house grants. Some houses will accept Forum Cutuca reports also.

Any question please PM me!

ABG.

What's up with that? When did the price increase another R30 per hour, or did that include a tip for the girl?

If rates really went up, then how much is 1/2 hour?

Tangara has been 100/150 for as long as I remember. Of course I'm not counting extra to the girls for extra services.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282128]The price at Tangara was 150/ hour and at Enjoy it was 200/ hour (for posters on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] or [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] it was 180/ HR) when I was there in November. Per [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL], those were still the prices as of mid-January (with some posters there reporting paying 160/ HR at Enjoy Spa). Why did you pay more, especially since you were there with ABG, who should know the prices?[/QUOTE]Price of Tangara is 150 reais cash.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2282227]So we have recently had two reviews complaining and suggesting guys avoid Moema Prime and enjoy. All I can say is, its a shame the guys who visited had bad experiences, but as someone who knows these places well, there is absolutely no reason for readers of this forum to "avoid" those places. Misunderstandings can happen anywhere in Brazil if you are not fluent in Portuguese. The women who work in the places are human, some are better than others, some are tired at the end of the day. One guy's negative experience should not be taken as the definitive reason for others to avoid a place. If there is a consensus of bad reports, then sure, that will be something to pay attention to.[/QUOTE]I also meant to point out that the prices in the clinicas are subject to change over time. Prices reported on this forum are often out of date. Some places lower their prices for a season, then raise them the next season, which may contribute to visitors expecting the price they read about in a report that is now out of date. The best strategy is to ask up front about the price, make it clear how much time you want to stay in the room - 1/2 hour or 1 hour. Write down the question on a piece of paper if necessary to present to the reception. If you are not quoted the price you want or expect, then leave before going to the room. Quite simple really.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282174]Salaam. Enjoy charged me 240/ hour. Apparently locals can get 160/ hour -- as long as they give up their anonymity and agree to post positive reviews of the club. Actually prices seem to be all over the place. There is one constant though: gringos will always pay more!

When I went to Enjoy Spa, I had an awful experience, quite unlike the other clinicas. The girl at Enjoy didn't really want to do anything at all. It was so bad I had to abandon the session, which I never do. At reception I explained politely what had happened: then a pimp-like character -- apparently the owner -- emerged and started insulting me wildly! I was absolutely gobsmacked. I go back a long way with Brazil and consider it a pretty gringo-friendly country but there is a seriously anti-gringo vibe at Enjoy Spa. The receptionist looked miserable, like this happens a lot and she wished she was working somewhere else. There were no other customers, so I guess the locals know well enough to AVOID Enjoy Spa.

I know this post will annoy some long-time posters on this thread but the truth needs to get out to newbies: there are about ten other clinicas within 1 km of Enjoy where you can get much better service, and all without paying a gringo price, or paying a local or guide for "protection". Just scroll through this thread to find them.[/QUOTE]I stated in an earlier post that Tangara had the most friendly receptionist I have met in Latin America and I must say now that Enjoy has the worst receptionist I have encountered in all of Latin America; now add to this the overcharging. Enjoy used to have very nice girls in some of my previous visits but in my last visit to SP last year I found the talent had fallen off significantly, although I did encounter the best looking girl there in one of my visits. Nevertheless generally the talent was significantly less than in previous years. I'm not sure whether general receipt of less revenue might be responsible for the overcharging.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2282452]I stated in an earlier post that Tangara had the most friendly receptionist I have met in Latin America and I must say now that Enjoy has the worst receptionist I have encountered in all of Latin America; now add to this the overcharging. Enjoy used to have very nice girls in some of my previous visits but in my last visit to SP last year I found the talent had fallen off significantly, although I did encounter the best looking girl there in one of my visits. Nevertheless generally the talent was significantly less than in previous years. I'm not sure whether general receipt of less revenue might be responsible for the overcharging.[/QUOTE]Sigh. Whatever the staff looked like when you visited last year, it is unlikely that has any relevance to the current talent. The constant turnover is the only constant. From month to month, week to week and day to day, the impression people get is going to vary widely depending on who shows up for work, who is currently attending clients in the rooms, and the eye of the beholder. I have no doubt that several guys go to the same location on a given day and they call come away with divergent opinions on the "talent level".

There is also no evidence that there is any systematic overcharging going on. This is like some sort of mini-panic on this board.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2282452]I stated in an earlier post that Tangara had the most friendly receptionist I have met in Latin America and I must say now that Enjoy has the worst receptionist I have encountered in all of Latin America; now add to this the overcharging. Enjoy used to have very nice girls in some of my previous visits but in my last visit to SP last year I found the talent had fallen off significantly, although I did encounter the best looking girl there in one of my visits. Nevertheless generally the talent was significantly less than in previous years. I'm not sure whether general receipt of less revenue might be responsible for the overcharging.[/QUOTE]I also suspect that the receptionist you are referring to from Enjoy is not even the one that currently works there. There was a unpleasant bitchy receptionist there, a tall blonde woman, who worked there for a long time. But Enjoy changed ownership sometime after Moema Prime opened in 2018, and the reception that is at Enjoy now is not the same as was there before the ownership change in 2018.

[QUOTE=Sparky17;2282170]Thank Steve and ABG. ABG I am not Senior yet. I wish I would have stayed another night in Sao Paola. We still might come a day earlier on departure. If so I will keep you posted.

Saw your other posts Steve. I might check it out. How was the English there?[/QUOTE]The English is lacking even in high end clubs. At Scandalo it seemed a bit lacking luckily Karina had studied 10 mos English. At Fazendinha I only hit on and scored Thifany was good I had some Portugus. We made it work. Think English will be limited but don't let it stop you. You can figure it out. But I really recommend Pimsleur Portuguese. It's all audio. You can do it on your commute.

Thinking back now, I did the duo with Thifany and Maria just because I was trying to make small talk in my limited Português. “Do you have any friends at the club” and an epic duo ensued. Likewise you probably didn’t read about my Thifany saga since it was back in August. But in brief she spent a week in London with me based solely on our 5 hours together at Fazendinha. I am certain that would never have happened if I was just another English speaking Gringo. And really it couldn’t have worked otherwise. Our first dinner together in London (her birthday!) was only possible because of her broken English and my broken Português. And Google translate when we both came up empty. None of this would have happened without my minor investment.

Ps I’ve written up the whole Thifany story. Much too long to post here. PM me with a safe email address for u and I will send it.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282177] I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.[/QUOTE]Al-salaam Habibby Jimmy and Peace upon your Flock.

I don't doubt it is possible to have a good experience at Enjoy Spa if you are buddies with the manager and regularly post good reviews on the local forums that he can tie to you. But I think the great Silent Majority of mongers reading this thread will be casual fly-ins, and they will be wondering: how can they get good service without going to all that effort, without becoming one of Enjoy Spa's Army of Yes Men?

Call me old-fashioned but I believe all mongers should receive equal treatment if they put their money down.

Miruna's and Tangara are better. I would recommend avoiding Moema Prime (sorry Rovnak). But the real talent is in the high-end places, so I guess in that respect at least I am in agreement with Mr Cane -- though for me it is not so much about optics but the fact that they screen the girls better.

Just my 2 dirhams.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282502]Al-salaam Habibby Jimmy and Peace upon your Flock.

I don't doubt it is possible to have a good experience at Enjoy Spa if you are buddies with the manager and regularly post good reviews on the local forums that he can tie to you. But I think the great Silent Majority of mongers reading this thread will be casual fly-ins, and they will be wondering: how can they get good service without going to all that effort, without becoming one of Enjoy Spa's Army of Yes Men?

Call me old-fashioned but I believe all mongers should receive equal treatment if they put their money down.

Miruna's and Tangara are better. I would recommend avoiding Moema Prime (sorry Rovnak). But the real talent is in the high-end places, so I guess in that respect at least I am in agreement with Mr Cane -- though for me it is not so much about optics but the fact that they screen the girls better.

Just my 2 dirhams.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I know you guys are trying to be helpful to the readers but these "opinions" but I cannot disagree more strongly with the characterizations of these establishments that are based on one or two visits at a particular time. I think it is actually a disservice to suggest that visitors "skip" certain places. Unless there is a strong pattern of poor service. And there is not strong pattern. Every guy reports different favorite locations because everyone here has their own tastes and as I cannot repeat often enough, though it seems very few people "get it" - the turnover in these places make last month's report already obsolete. Guys session with one girl and she is lazy and they want to write off the clinica? That's just irrational.

I don't even understand your comment about the high end places "screening the girls better". On what is this based other than wishful thinking? I know plenty of guys that have had their worst experiences of the trip at the high end boates, and I am not talking about price, just pure disappointment int he bedroom.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2282513]Honestly, I know you guys are trying to be helpful to the readers but these "opinions" but I cannot disagree more strongly with the characterizations of these establishments that are based on one or two visits at a particular time. I think it is actually a disservice to suggest that visitors "skip" certain places. Unless there is a strong pattern of poor service. And there is not strong pattern. Every guy reports different favorite locations because everyone here has their own tastes and as I cannot repeat often enough, though it seems very few people "get it" - the turnover in these places make last month's report already obsolete. Guys session with one girl and she is lazy and they want to write off the clinica? That's just irrational.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Rovnak here. Any persons traveling there for the first time (or even second) should try a bunch of different places. Everyone has different preferences and different tastes. Different people will also fit in better at different places and with different people. So try a few different places and make up your own mind as to what you like the best.

In fact, truth be told, I didn't really like Tangara when I went at about 4 pm the first time. My second visit on a Sunday just after lunch time made me like it a lot more. So maybe try some places twice before forming your own opinion.

I went there yesterday, 37 girls, choose Marie, nice looking morena, GFE, DFK, BBBJ & CIM. 100 reais = 1/2 hour.

The second round went with Annie, nice mulata, DFK, BBBJ & CIM. Excellent performance. 100 reias = 1/2 hour.

Tangara's prices ate the same for board members and non-board members. 150 reais 1 hour and 100 1/2 hour. I always pay cash, but I know there is a surcharge if you pay with a credit card, I think is 20 reais. Ask first.

Susan and Takuma, the receptionist both speak English.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282502]Al-salaam Habibby Jimmy and Peace upon your Flock.

I don't doubt it is possible to have a good experience at Enjoy Spa if you are buddies with the manager and regularly post good reviews on the local forums that he can tie to you. But I think the great Silent Majority of mongers reading this thread will be casual fly-ins, and they will be wondering: how can they get good service without going to all that effort, without becoming one of Enjoy Spa's Army of Yes Men?
Snip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for enrolling me in Enjoy's Army of Yes Men but I must decline the invitation, as I do not give good reviews to get a discount on the price. Perhaps I am very lucky, as I have always had excellent sessions at clinicas and prives like Enjoy, Miruna, Nova Ceci, Espacio Morumbi, Brooklin, Tangara, Cancionero, and Vani's Way, but I did have an awful session with a Carioca at Muchachos Club.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282826]Thanks for enrolling me in Enjoy's Army of Yes Men but I must decline the invitation, as I do not give good reviews to get a discount on the price. Perhaps I am very lucky, as I have always had excellent sessions at clinicas and prives like Enjoy, Miruna, Nova Ceci, Espacio Morumbi, Brooklin, Tangara, Cancionero, and Vani's Way, but I did have an awful session with a Carioca at Muchachos Club.[/QUOTE]That guy does not know what he is talking about. He extrapolates from one visit, ridiculous. Furthermore he knows nothing about the forista discount policies. The discount policies are predicated on the client giving a review. Positive, negative or neutral. That point should be emphasized. Positive OR negative OR neutral. It does not matter which, any review is a qualifier for discount. So his whole yes men theory is completely wrong. The casas use the reviews not just for free marketing but for qualty control, providers that receive multiple negative reviews do not last long. This further undermines his totally unfounded claim that the higher price places, I assume he is referring to the boates like Scandalo, screen the girls better. Absolutely wrong. Itis precisely the review system employed by the clinicas or direct feedback to reception at places like Tangara that ensure quality and customer satisfaction. The big boates do not give a crap about the performance of the ladies, not one bit. They do not rely on reviews and they do not solicit feedback, nor do they care if you complain. They just do not care at all. They screen at most, if at all, for looks, nothing more.

His entire rant was full of misinformation and does more harm than good to visitors who are trying to understand their options.

Announcement on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] by Chanes 57.

OLA AMIGOS DO GPGUIA!

DESDE SEGUNDA FEIRA, 21/01, A chanés ESTA PRATICANDO NOVOS PREÇOS PROMOCIONAIS PARA O GPGUIA!

ATENDIMENTO DE 1 HORA: 200,00 (PAGAMENTO them DINHEIRO).

ATENDIMENTO DE 1/2 HORA:'160,00 (PAGAMENTO DE DINHEIRO).

E AGORA NOSSO PLANO DE MILHAGEM E O MELHOR DE TODOS.

A CADA 4 ATENDIMENTOS, O 5 o ATENDIMENTO É 100% VIP!

DESSA FORMA O ATENDIMENTO DE 1 HORA SAI POR 160,00, E O ATENDIMENTO DE 1/2 HORA SAI POR 128,00.

Starting 1/21 new pricing is reaL 200/ HR and 160/ half, both in cash.

They also have a frequent fucker program: after 4 paid sessions, you get the 5th one free.

With this program, 5 one-hour sessions cost real 160 each, and 5 one-half hour sessions cost real 128 each.

It's not clear if you have to be a member of gp-guia to get this deal but mentioning you saw it on gp-guia might be sufficient.