FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Photographe;1882114]It's disappointing to read such a strong negative report after several mostly good ones about the club post-raid. I'm booked for Berlin a couple days next week. Perhaps should have done Darmstadt instead.
[/QUOTE]I will probably visit Artemis Thursday next week, would like to meet up with other mongers / punters if someone from here will be there that day.

[QUOTE=Nr71;1882171]I will probably visit Artemis Thursday next week, would like to meet up with other mongers / punters if someone from here will be there that day.[/QUOTE]Ahh too bad, I will be there from Sunday through Wednesday of the following week. I am keeping my fingers crossed the vibe will still be cool but if not I will get out of Berlin and try Frankfurt. I will be coming from Amsterdam on this trip so I will have had enough of Red Light girls by then.

[QUOTE=PornNerd;1882242]Ahh too bad, I will be there from Sunday through Wednesday of the following week. I am keeping my fingers crossed the vibe will still be cool.[/QUOTE]Please give us a report as soon as you can after your first visit.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1881851]Went to Artemis for first time since the raid. Overall disappointed. The new freedom where girls can charge what they want has gotten the worst side for some girls now.[/QUOTE]This really surprises me. I have now had 12-16 sessions since the raid (I reported on 5-6 of them in this very thread) and never ever have a girl charged or asked me anything besides standard rate.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1881851] So maybe better on Weekend? Might try again tomorrow. Very nice outside garden and spa. Food awful. Had to have salad and potatoes.[/QUOTE]Food awful? You haven't been to Artemis in some time then? Food is always awful in Artemis, raid or no raid. If you are cheapskate, walk 400 meters to a kebabplace on Kurfürstendamm and buy yourself Doner kebab for few Euros. Or go to proper restaurant in same area.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1882541]This really surprises me. I have now had 12-16 sessions since the raid (I reported on 5-6 of them in this very thread) and never ever have a girl charged or asked me anything besides standard rate.

Food awful? You haven't been to Artemis in some time then? Food is always awful in Artemis, raid or no raid. If you are cheapskate, walk 400 meters to a kebabplace on Kurfrstendamm and buy yourself Doner kebab for few Euros. Or go to proper restaurant in same area.[/QUOTE]Could you please tell me the location of this kebab place? You walk toward Kurfurstendam strasse direction from Artemis, then where is this kebab place? Is this near Henansee train station?

[QUOTE=Nr71;1882370]Please give us a report as soon as you can after your first visit.[/QUOTE]I will yes! I am not so good at remembering names but I will try and report as accurately as I can. This will be my first time going this time of year. Usually I have been there in Oct-Nov so I am looking forward to the outdoor pool and sauna, too.

Usual complaints on Artemis change nothing. Just reality. Some nights line-up better than others, sometimes food good, sometimes so so. All best Thurs-Saturday, as reported here at least 10 years. Slow nights have less choices, but can be nice. Everyone is different, but if you go slow, choose wise, maybe come before 22:30 when less crowded, you always find enough very nice girls. At least 5-10 in different shapes, colours, and sizes who can please any normal, clean, respectful man.

All locals know this, why they keep coming. All nationalities have great girls and not so; anyone who make generalizations just display ignorance or lack of experience. Common sense to avoid during peak times, like after big football match in nearby Olympic Stadium, or big Messe. If you cannot manage after all this, problem is with your attitude and bad choices. Most girls keep to old prices and policies. If you have uncertainty, just discuss all issues before agree to go to room.

Then everyone know what to expect. If after discussion, you feel slight strange/uncertain vibration, you just say no. Problem solved. So relax, and enjoy and also try to make girl happy with massage or tongue. Not difficult, not complicated.

On legal, in today newspaper: [URL]http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-polizeieinsatz-im-artemis-grossbordell-bleibt-trotz-razzia-wohl-geoeffnet/13622874.html[/URL].

Use Google Translate for idea, but basically, through recent legal change in ownership, club will stay open, at least 1- 2 months (and likely longer) til new normal business investigation of "new" owner, though new owner part of A team. All sides playing games. But good news for mongers. Rest of investigation goes on.

I think you would be showing your ignorance if you actually believe that you can go to Artemis and choose slowly and wisely. There's a nasty culture breeding at Artemis to provide quick shitty service, especially to non regulars. I never realized how much I dislike Romainians until I walked into this place.

As a member recently stated, it's luck of the draw. Just choose who you find visually appealing and have a session. It's just sixty Euros and you might as well nail as many as you can if already there. With all my negative said, it's a fun place. Great facility!

[QUOTE=Riina;1882709]I think you would be showing your ignorance if you actually believe that you can go to Artemis and choose slowly and wisely. There's a nasty culture breeding at Artemis to provide quick shitty service, especially to non regulars. I never realized how much I dislike Romainians until I walked into this place.

As a member recently stated, it's luck of the draw. Just choose who you find visually appealing and have a session. It's just sixty Euros and you might as well nail as many as you can if already there. With all my negative said, it's a fun place. Great facility![/QUOTE]And remember, if they say they are from spain or Italy, they are most likely Romanians LOL.

[QUOTE=Riina;1882709]I think you would be showing your ignorance if you actually believe that you can go to Artemis and choose slowly and wisely. There's a nasty culture breeding at Artemis to provide quick shitty service, especially to non regulars. I never realized how much I dislike Romainians until I walked into this place. Just choose who you find visually appealing and have a session. It's just sixty Euros and you might as well nail as many as you can if already there. [/QUOTE]You have your opinion, and your strategy. In Ninja opinion, it is not wise. And all regulars were once newbies. They became regulars because of mutual chemistry. If you talk more, slow down, you have much better experience than Artemis as fast food all you eat buffet. And there are a number of Romanian girls who are fantastic, if you take time to discover. And some German girls and even some Latinas could hold their own on the "shark" mentality. All just individual.

Nasty culture? Maybe you have [I]FKKillusionitis[/I], that girls there just to serve men and enjoy sex because you pay. Their motivations, pressures, psychology, and emotion in the moment vary and are complex. If you fall for aggressive silly games and upsell (by a small few), it really is your fault as it can be avoided 99% of time. You make your luck by your choice. If you are a little more selective, keep discipline, experience can be much better than just McFick. But if you only care on quantity, then do it your way.

First of all; Ninja, thank you for your positive and realistic words, I totally agree with you.

Visiting Artemis Thursday 26th, and would like to meet up with some other members from this forum to discuss in person.

Anyone else know that they will be there on Thursday?

I will probably be there from about opening time. I like the daytime, not so crowded, and hopefully weather to enjoy the sun.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1882755]And remember, if they say they are from spain or Italy, they are most likely Romanians LOL.[/QUOTE]They didn't try that, probably because I'm Southern European. Would of been a good chuckle.

I may be at Artemis on the 26th. Definitely 24th and 25th. 26th if I still have energy and interest after two days, LOL.

I'm glad to read what Ninja wrote, as it matches most closely with my own experience: Artemis is never all one thing, as he said it is a complicated and ever shifting mix of psychological, emotional, economic, circumstantial factors, and of course it varies from girl to girl and with the same girl from customer to customer, depending on how you behave and treat them. I have had successful trips in the past in part because I try to always conduct myself in a polite, kind, understanding manner. I know the girls are not there for their own amusement. I try to be as accommodating as possible and not be a nuisance or a drag for them. Of course good behavior is usually rewarded, so it's not all done out of charity on my part either. I want everyone to be happy at the end of a session, if not happy then at least not feeling bad about it.

Anyway, anxious but hopeful to see what the vibe is like in Artemis these days. Hoping for the best.

[QUOTE=Riina;1882971]They didn't try that, probably because I'm Southern European. Would of been a good chuckle.[/QUOTE]Then they will tell you they are Spanish or Italian who only speak Romanians LOL anything goes in FKK LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1882607]Could you please tell me the location of this kebab place? You walk toward Kurfurstendamm direction from Artemis, then where is this kebab place? Is this near Henansee train station?[/QUOTE]Henansee station is unknown to me. You mean Halensee? Yeah. It is right across the street (if you exit at) before you cross the bridge.

Descriptions on how to get here from Artemis (it is actually 900 meter and not 400 meter as I told initially. Still only 10 min walk):

1: When exiting the entrance to the Artemis proper, turn left and walk towards the bus station.

2: You will pass under two overpasses and on your right you will see steps. Turn left and go up.

3: Continue on the Bornstedter Strasse (you will have greenery and railroad on your left side). If you miss that street and take Kronprinzendamm instead, it is no big deal = both streets lead to same place.

4: If you have ever stayed over at Hotel Kronprinz, this area should be familiar for you. You will pass by this hotel and continue towards Kurfurstendamm.

5: Turn right again and cross the bridge. Right after the bridge you will see a small food vendor place (Google maps streetview is outdated). You can buy decent (not exclusive) fast food here. People working here know some English.

6. If you move on further, the entire area is full of places where you can buy food. Personally, for lunch I prefer more expensive places than the described vendor, but if I am short on time, I am eating here.

BTW, nearby (as in 10 seconds walk) you can also find Berliner Sparkasse ATM machines (inside the building, on corner between Kurfurstendamm and Ringbahnstraße) that you can use to take out money for girls in Artemis (don't use their ATM machines. Unless desperate).

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1883079]Henansee station is unknown to me. You mean Halensee? Yeah. It is right across the street (if you exit at) before you cross the bridge.

Descriptions on how to get here from Artemis (it is actually 900 meter and not 400 meter as I told initially. Still only 10 min walk):

1: When exiting the entrance to the Artemis proper, turn left and walk towards the bus station.

2: You will pass under two overpasses and on your right you will see steps. Turn left and go up.

3: Continue on the Bornstedter Strasse (you will have greenery and railroad on your left side). If you miss that street and take Kronprinzendamm instead, it is no big deal = both streets lead to same place.

4: If you have ever stayed over at Hotel Kronprinz, this area should be familiar for you. You will pass by this hotel and continue towards Kurfurstendamm..[/QUOTE]Thanks buddy I hope the kebab is good there as I love kebab once in awhile I always hope Artemis do kebab wagon in the parking area like FKK sharks do with ice cream wagon that comes in during summer time.

ATM in Artemis LOL each time I need money for girls, it is always I find the girl I wanted just before I leave for the day and I need money desperately out of ATM LOL so commission percentage don't matter in those time LOL.

I never know around Helansee station there are few fast food stands, I will see if they are as good as other kebab places in Berlin I go for 10 minute jogging there from Artemis.

[QUOTE=Nr71;1882939]First of all; Ninja, thank you for your positive and realistic words, I totally agree with you.

Visiting Artemis Thursday 26th, and would like to meet up with some other members from this forum to discuss in person.

Anyone else know that they will be there on Thursday?

I will probably be there from about opening time. I like the daytime, not so crowded, and hopefully weather to enjoy the sun.[/QUOTE]I'm going to visit Artemis on the 25th and 26th, so we can meet up if you want too! I'm a rookie on the mongering scene, but what I lack in experience I make up in enthusiasm!

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[QUOTE=Nr71;1882939]First of all; Ninja, thank you for your positive and realistic words, I totally agree with you.
I will probably be there from about opening time. I like the daytime, not so crowded, and hopefully weather to enjoy the sun.[/QUOTE]PM for details.

I plan to be at Artemis on Thurs 26 May around 1900 hrs. Hope to meet some ISG members there.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1882699]All nationalities have great girls and not so; anyone who make generalizations just display ignorance or lack of experience. [/QUOTE]Me totally agrees with this bunch of politically correct crap.

Anyone stating that in Artemis the level of upsell and sharkiness is on average higher then other venues just display ignorance and lack of experience, because the fact that it is possible to get good service from some of the girls clearly proves otherwise.

Me really has enough of those stupid generalizations, like turkish male guests (on average) behave bad and roughly without respect for WGs, or like asians being (on average) easier preys for the WGs because they have tiny cocks and are nerdy and gentle and generous in the clubs.

The fact that there are somewhere in the world asian studs with 30 cm cocks who fuck for hours like horny stallions (though I never heard about, but me thinks probably NukeyNinja here is one) clearly proves that generalizing is wrong.

Unbelievable how many unexperienced ignorant guys are out there.

Happy to hear business more or less as asual in Artemis.

Generalizations are not allways wrong. But sometimes it is not due to them being different, but it could be because of cultural and economic differences. Or different microclimates at certain clubs. Some club owners are more strict than others, some cities / regions have more FKK competition than others etc etc.

[QUOTE=Krazydude;1883318]I plan to be at Artemis on Thurs 26 May around 1900 hrs. Hope to meet some ISG members there.[/QUOTE]Sent you a PM.

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1883379]Me totally agrees with this bunch of politically correct crap.[/QUOTE]But Dute, that goes against your religion of generalizing nationalities. By stating that you are being hypocritical of your religion of the house of Romies are no good. You say Romies offer fake GFE, and not as good services as non-Romies.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1883586]But Dute, that goes against your religion of generalizing nationalities. By stating that you are being hypocritical of your religion of the house of Romies are no good. You say Romies offer fake GFE, and not as good services as non-Romies.[/QUOTE]Dute's english a little less than perfect (like many of us). He meant opposite of political correctness. But his sentiment and ideas correct; no link between nationality and service. Good and bad everywhere, both with women and men. Period. Not sure what you try to say as did not study theology.

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At Dutedrac- you very kind but NInja more modest than you think. Only 25 cm, and only maybe last 2 hours in cowgirl :D

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1883379]Me totally agrees with this bunch of politically correct crap.

Anyone stating that in Artemis the level of upsell and sharkiness is on average higher then other venues just display ignorance and lack of experience, because the fact that it is possible to get good service from some of the girls clearly proves otherwise.

Me really has enough of those stupid generalizations, like turkish male guests (on average) behave bad and roughly without respect for WGs, or like asians being (on average) easier preys for the WGs because they have tiny cocks and are nerdy and gentle and generous in the clubs.

The fact that there are somewhere in the world asian studs with 30 cm cocks who fuck for hours like horny stallions (though I never heard about, but me thinks probably NukeyNinja here is one) clearly proves that generalizing is wrong.

Unbelievable how many unexperienced ignorant guys are out there.

Happy to hear business more or less as asual in Artemis.[/QUOTE]FKK Palace is the war zone for upsell LOL.

Artemis is OK as of last November, now after raid I do not know, if it become upsell. There are other FKK in Germany we can goto.

Artemisquastion: Can I pay the fee of 80€ to get in a couple of hours and then go for dinner and then go back in again the same night without paying the 80€ again?

[QUOTE=Puttex;1884068]Artemisquastion: Can I pay the fee of 80 to get in a couple of hours and then go for dinner and then go back in again the same night without paying the 80 again?[/QUOTE]Yes it's possible, but you need to tell reception and remember your key number.

Harder to get real GFE at Artemis, but the amount of upsells are not that bad. Just more girls refusing to do more things. Maybe because the average age is soon approaching 30. Or perhaps it is already there. Seen a bunsh of new 30+ women there lately. The management needs to take some serious steps soon. 100 out of the 200 roughly girls working part time or full time at artemis is just 1-4 girls and fat that could be cut away.

Some of the best women there are 30+ so age is not everything, but apart from those perhaps 20 good 30ers and 40ers, there are 50 useless ones...

It is a while since I visited this place and I see from the forum that there has been a raid and some changes over the past few months. Can someone who knows the situation outline the current pricing arrangements? That would be very helpful! Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=LondonTraveller;1884393]It is a while since I visited this place and I see from the forum that there has been a raid and some changes over the past few months. Can someone who knows the situation outline the current pricing arrangements? That would be very helpful! Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The good news is: Nothing has changed. Pricing as usual (60 for 30 minutes BBBJ and sex, CIM +50, anal +100). Do not pay more, don't ruin the prices.

The bad news is: Something has changed nevertheless. Some girls may charge an individual extra fee for extras like DFK, DATY or so. Love it or leave it. I didn't experience that by myself, but I was told about it from both sides.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1884470]The good news is: Nothing has changed. Pricing as usual (60 for 30 minutes BBBJ and sex, CIM +50, anal +100). Do not pay more, don't ruin the prices.

The bad news is: Something has changed nevertheless. Some girls may charge an individual extra fee for extras like DFK, DATY or so. Love it or leave it. I didn't experience that by myself, but I was told about it from both sides.[/QUOTE]It sounds like business as usual except they may charge you for a service they may or not provide anyhow, interesting! I will visit Artemis last days of this month I will give an extensive report of my visits. It will be very interesting to see which girls still remains and which ones are new, since almost no forum reports is about girls in this thread anymore!

What can I say. Romanian group seems to have dwindelled in numbers. So to perhaps has the normal hamburg group. Some new germans of good quality (looks and service). Some new romanians of bad (looks/didnt try) quality.

Still about 6-8 doable girls there for me in the weekends (a good weekend), but perhaps just 3-4 on a weekday. For a club with the largest numbers of girls in all of Germany, it feels very weak. Especially when I've already sessioned with everyone and their mothers at Artemis already. My last session there had me only try one girl. New german blonde Anja. Quite good girl. Hope to find more like her.

Can mention some good names I would repeat/not repeat depending on my day form: Anja (already mentionned), Sona(thai), Bella(rom), Mili(spa), Carrie (bul, if still around), Brianna(rom), Julia(rom), Aksena(bul), Ella (ru), a punk haired romanian blonde and a german dark haired fit petite girl with 'C'est la vie' tatoo on her stomach. And maybe 2-3 others I cant recall the names of. But all these girls are never all present at the same time. And most are only working part time at the club. Some have other jobs too like Ella and Sona etc...

LU is slightly weaker than last summer... but lots of girls come and go, so its hard to know who's on a break. 1 month, 6 months, or even 2 years...

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1884470]The good news is: Nothing has changed. Pricing as usual (60 for 30 minutes BBBJ and sex, CIM +50, anal +100). Do not pay more, don't ruin the prices.

The bad news is: Something has changed nevertheless. Some girls may charge an individual extra fee for extras like DFK, DATY or so. Love it or leave it. I didn't experience that by myself, but I was told about it from both sides.[/QUOTE]Well if Artemis become like Palace, then we have other FKK to go to.

Since FKK has older line up, it is not worth it like before.

I do not understand FKK with full of older women.

I hope they get more girls.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1884538]It sounds like business as usual except they may charge you for a service they may or not provide anyhow, interesting! I will visit Artemis last days of this month I will give an extensive report of my visits. It will be very interesting to see which girls still remains and which ones are new, since almost no forum reports is about girls in this thread anymore![/QUOTE]Yes unfortunately, many recent reports in the Artemis thread are actually not reports about the club but are just general chit chat about everything and anything. If there is a tentative link in the report to FKK Artemis we are very lucky! Come back Angus Magee! All is forgiven!

[QUOTE=Pistons;1884597]a punk haired romanian blonde[/QUOTE]AFAIR named Ellie.

Can someone who reads German summarize this article? I put it through Google translate and it sounds. Not good!

[URL]http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207600653/Artemis-Razzia-Ermittler-sehen-Verbindung-zum-Wettbueromord.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Photographe;1884935]Can someone who reads German summarize this article? I put it through Google translate and it sounds. Not good!

[URL]http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article207600653/Artemis-Razzia-Ermittler-sehen-Verbindung-zum-Wettbueromord.html[/URL][/QUOTE]This news article says that there seems to be a link between some girls of Artemis and the Hells Angels gang connected to a murder case. The Hells Angels were on the run and hiding for the police and the girls have used the money they made in Artemis to support them and keep them out of the hands of the police. The article further repeats the earrlier news that the Hells Angels were involved in providing women to work at Artemis.

Of the 4 women that were arrested, two remain in jail pending the police enquiry. Two have been released as the risk of them running away is considered small. The management of Artemis remains in jail pending the further enquiry.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1884989]This news article says that there seems to be a link between some girls of Artemis and the Hells Angels gang connected to a murder case. The Hells Angels were on the run and hiding for the police and the girls have used the money they made in Artemis to support them and keep them out of the hands of the police. The article further repeats the earrlier news that the Hells Angels were involved in providing women to work at Artemis.

Of the 4 women that were arrested, two remain in jail pending the police enquiry. Two have been released as the risk of them running away is considered small. The management of Artemis remains in jail pending the further enquiry.[/QUOTE]But Mr. Ho was adamant that there's no connection.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1885010]But Mr. Ho was adamant that there's no connection.[/QUOTE]No connection between what? There are several links here being discussed.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1885010]But Mr. Ho was adamant that there's no connection.[/QUOTE]I said that HA and Artemis do not have links.

Whether girls do or not is private matter and Artemis should not be blamed for it as it is out of their control.

I visited Artemis second time after almost one and half year. I have to say that club is much worse than over year ago. Place is full of Romanian girls who act like someone better to be. I had good time with Colombian girl Valentina. I went with her four times during two days but even with her I had some up and downs at out third meeting. Overall she is very cute girl with very nice attitude and I can highly recommend her. Food was terrible as usually if I had to eat that food longer than two days I would probably have a kidney failure or something.

Greetings for guys from Singapore and German! I think I had more fun time with both of you than most of the girls LOL.

Probably my last visit ever at Artemis next time I might go back to Frankfurt clubs and later this year I will be on Hamburg also.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1884989]This news article says that there seems to be a link between some girls of Artemis and the Hells Angels gang connected to a murder case. The Hells Angels were on the run and hiding for the police and the girls have used the money they made in Artemis to support them and keep them out of the hands of the police. The article further repeats the earrlier news that the Hells Angels were involved in providing women to work at Artemis.

Of the 4 women that were arrested, two remain in jail pending the police enquiry. Two have been released as the risk of them running away is considered small. The management of Artemis remains in jail pending the further enquiry.[/QUOTE]I read in previous post on this forum that the owner K (younger one) is back in Artemis, so I guess he is released.

So money we spend in FKK are helping the murderers fugitive according to the article?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1885220]

So money we spend in FKK are helping the murderers fugitive according to the article?[/QUOTE]If that was the meaning they wanted to portray in the article, its rediculous. Like the social security system is to be blamed for drug addiction because one guy on social security once inhaled something.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1885448]If that was the meaning they wanted to portray in the article, its rediculous. Like the social security system is to be blamed for drug addiction because one guy on social security once inhaled something.[/QUOTE]Well media did portray Artemis as some evil club who treat girls badly, which I do not agree with media.

I never saw or witness in any cases Artemis being bad to girls.

In contrary, Artemis is good club for girls like they even have Medical Doctor in the house, clean sleeping area and changing room as we can have glimpse of from upstairs.

As for HA relation, it may be HA and some girls and club itself do not have any affiliation. Girls may have, but very few and that is their business and not clubs.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1885448]If that was the meaning they wanted to portray in the article, its rediculous. Like the social security system is to be blamed for drug addiction because one guy on social security once inhaled something.[/QUOTE]At least there is a few sane people left in this thread, because sometimes I wonder if everybody is more or less retarded and is unable to think for themselves!?

Even if the HA link is there, and it probably is, it changes nothing, and shouldn't change anything for the customers at Artemis. If there is drama to it, then the police should fix their stuff. You can't blame McDonalds for one employee being a criminal either. A doctor is supposed to heal an ill person. Not kill him.

I concur with Kennett. It was nice meeting fellow mongers at Artemis! The quality of the girls have dropped dramatically. Out of the maybe 30+ gals, only 1-2 is do-able for me. There is this blonde tall Hungarian girl which I rate 9/10. I was hoping to see her again on Wednesday, but she is no where to be found. The rest was maybe 7's and some 6's.

It was great meeting you Kennett. I think we have fun chatting by ourselves than enjoying the girls. Which says a lot about Artemis.

One positive thing is I thought the food was much better than I visited 2 years ago.

Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.

[QUOTE=Kennett;1885096]I visited Artemis second time after almost one and half year. I have to say that club is much worse than over year ago. Place is full of Romanian girls who act like someone better to be. I had good time with Colombian girl Valentina. I went with her four times during two days but even with her I had some up and downs at out third meeting. Overall she is very cute girl with very nice attitude and I can highly recommend her. Food was terrible as usually if I had to eat that food longer than two days I would probably have a kidney failure or something.

Greetings for guys from Singapore and German! I think I had more fun time with both of you than most of the girls LOL.

Probably my last visit ever at Artemis next time I might go back to Frankfurt clubs and later this year I will be on Hamburg also.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BookKeeper;1885855]I concur with Kennett. It was nice meeting fellow mongers at Artemis! The quality of the girls have dropped dramatically. Out of the maybe 30+ gals, only 1-2 is do-able for me. There is this blonde tall Hungarian girl which I rate 9/10. I was hoping to see her again on Wednesday, but she is no where to be found. The rest was maybe 7's and some 6's.

It was great meeting you Kennett. I think we have fun chatting by ourselves than enjoying the girls. Which says a lot about Artemis.

One positive thing is I thought the food was much better than I visited 2 years ago.

Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.[/QUOTE]Blonde Hungarian girl? If brunette tall one can be Geraldine, but if she is blonde. Then it must be new girl.

Brigitte is blonde Hungarian girl, but she is not tall, so it cannot be her. I wonder who this blonde tall Hungarian girl is.

[QUOTE=BookKeeper;1885855]
Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.[/QUOTE]Just no magnetism to return.

[QUOTE=BookKeeper;1885855]I concur with Kennett. It was nice meeting fellow mongers at Artemis! The quality of the girls have dropped dramatically. Out of the maybe 30+ gals, only 1-2 is do-able for me. There is this blonde tall Hungarian girl which I rate 9/10. I was hoping to see her again on Wednesday, but she is no where to be found. The rest was maybe 7's and some 6's.

It was great meeting you Kennett. I think we have fun chatting by ourselves than enjoying the girls. Which says a lot about Artemis.

One positive thing is I thought the food was much better than I visited 2 years ago.

Yeah, I agree, I think Artemis is done unless something changes.[/QUOTE]I also visited last Wednesday for the first time since the raid. I agree that the quality of the girls has dropped off. When I arrived just after 5 pm there were few men and a very poor selection of girls. Fortunately for me Rosali was there and we have one excellent hour. I showered upstairs and when I went into the room she has stripped off and was draped over the bed! I have seen her many times and have always had an excellent service all round, especially CIM. Without her being present I would have left. After returning from the room I have some dinner. Better food. Then more girls had arrived and I saw only one of two that I would have considered. Then I spotted Ella with whom I have also been with many times in the past but not for over 2 years. She recognized me and off we went for another top class service. She only works infrequently these days as she has another job.

Without these two, I would have left and thereby wasted the entry fee. I only had to fend off one 'shark attack' - a very aggressive and not at attractive. I also saw very few girls who I recognized from my last visit about a month before the raid.

It is still possible to get excellent service in this club but much too reliant on the presence of a girl you know. If things do not change drastically and soon it will simply an expensive entrance fee with no advantages.

The one that I saw was on Monday. She is sweet looking, tall blonde with good model body. Easily 9/10. She doesn't moan much on bed, but it does give you some realistic sounds rather than fake ones.

I can't recall. I think her name is Micah or something like that. I went again on Wednesday hoping to meet her, but I was pestered by a bunch of Romanians.

I think one of the Swedes I met on Monday tried her. I think he was satisfied Damn, I should have gone second round with her.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1885956]Blonde Hungarian girl? If brunette tall one can be Geraldine, but if she is blonde. Then it must be new girl.

Brigitte is blonde Hungarian girl, but she is not tall, so it cannot be her. I wonder who this blonde tall Hungarian girl is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BookKeeper;1886192]The one that I saw was on Monday. She is sweet looking, tall blonde with good model body. Easily 9/10. She doesn't moan much on bed, but it does give you some realistic sounds rather than fake ones.

I can't recall. I think her name is Micah or something like that. I went again on Wednesday hoping to meet her, but I was pestered by a bunch of Romanians.

I think one of the Swedes I met on Monday tried her. I think he was satisfied Damn, I should have gone second round with her.[/QUOTE]OK, so she is blonde and not brunette, then it is new girl. I got to seek for tall blonde Hungarian then LOL.

This tall blonde one has any tattoo? Big tits? Silicone or?

[QUOTE=DavidFuk;1886107]I also visited last Wednesday for the first time since the raid. I agree that the quality of the girls has dropped off. When I arrived just after 5 pm there were few men and a very poor selection of girls. Fortunately for me Rosali was there and we have one excellent hour. I showered upstairs and when I went into the room she has stripped off and was draped over the bed! I have seen her many times and have always had an excellent service all round, especially CIM. Without her being present I would have left. After returning from the room I have some dinner. Better food. Then more girls had arrived and I saw only one of two that I would have considered. Then I spotted Ella with whom I have also been with many times in the past but not for over 2 years. She recognized me and off we went for another top class service. She only works infrequently these days as she has another job.

Without these two, I would have left and thereby wasted the entry fee. I only had to fend off one 'shark attack' - a very aggressive and not at attractive. I also saw very few girls who I recognized from my last visit about a month before the raid.

It is still possible to get excellent service in this club but much too reliant on the presence of a girl you know. If things do not change drastically and soon it will simply an expensive entrance fee with no advantages.[/QUOTE]This is alarming report.

Hmmm. For fly in monger, it is a risk if Artemis LU really did decline after the raid because there is only Artemis in Berlin.

I hope line up get better in Berlin.

So as I mentioned in an earlier post, I had a trip planned to Berlin and decided to visit Artemis. I knew that I would not be able to get to Artemis before 1900 hrs on Thurs 26 May, so booked the Novum Hotel Kronprinz Berlin for 1 night, as I knew I would not be leaving before 0300 hrs. Not bad for 55 per night. 10 min walk from Artemis. I reached Artemis around 1930 hrs and went straight to the wellness area in a attempt to find Nr. 71. I could not locate him and tried again a couple of time through the night, but wasn't able to meet. I hope Nr. 71 that you had a nice day at Artemis.

Girls I sessioned with.

1. Shanaaya from Turkey. Blonde. 168 cm. She reminded me of an ex. She was sitting looking bored next to the game machines. Nice to talk to and agreed to start the session in the kino downstairs. Took out a few wet-wipes and polished my tool to ensure that it was worthy to go into her very sanitary mouth. Average BJ, but she did agree to get on her knees on the floor and take me deep inside her mouth. Moved to the room where her attitude just got a bit short. Don't touch or finger my pussy. Cowgirl and reverse cowgirl was 5 min each. "I am tired, you do something now" and then "Enough of this, I'm getting tired", when I was the one pumping her doggy-style. In the end, I just wanted to end the session, so told her to give me a BJ, which was 90% a HJ and then some licking. Finally she poured some oil on my member and I finished. Some of my spunk hit her cheeks and maybe her hair and she gave me an annoyed look. I said " You had my dick in your hand and knew I was going to shoot. Why are you looking at me as if I am the one who deliberately gave you a facial". Anyways I looked at my watch, 20 minutes since I sat down in the kino. I wanted to pay her and move on. The way I see this is that I wanted to have a session with a Turkish girl and now this is ticked-off my bucket list. Looks and body- 7.5/10. Service- 4/10. Would not recommend.

While I was resting in the wellness area, I met a fellow punter from Italy who was a newbie to Artemis. We had a nice conversation downstairs and at the bar. So Antonio, if you are reading this, I hope you reached your hotel safely. I also wish you good health and continued success at work.

2. Alisha from Hungary. Dark brown hair. 164 cm. Antonio and myself were having a drink at the bar upstairs. Both of us were resting after our first sessions and were surveying what was on offer in the room when Alisha came over and struck up a conversation. Quite flirty and offered Antonio and myself a MMF threesome. 60 e each for 30 minutes. So we got a decent sized room upstairs and went at it. For the next 30 minutes, Alisha had one dick in her mouth and one in her pussy at all times. Good suction during BJ, ready to change positions and was thrusting and grinding back enthusiastically during doggy. Looks and body - 7/10. Service - 9/10. Would recommend.

3. Francis from Columbia. Dark hair. 168 cm. Latina booty. Probably the highlight of the evening. Latina with good shaped fake tits and a bouncy bum which you see in some of those hip-hop videos. Antonio spotted her across the room and both of us went for it. Friendly chat sealed the deal and off we went for the second MMF threesome of the evening. 60 e each for 30 minutes. Pounding that ass was something that I quite enjoyed. She was open to try as many positions as we wanted. Great session. Looks and body - 8/10. Service - 9.5/10. Would recommend.

4. Erika from Slovakia. Light brown hair. 164 cm. I was done by this point. Balls and brains completely drained. It was around 0230 hrs. I knew that no way in heck would I be able to get anything from this session but Antonio was keen to try Erika before we left for the night. So I did a newbie mistake and decided to go straight to the room. What followed was a sub-par toothy BJ, mechanical sex, no enthusiasm shown towards trying to make us cum (in the end neither of us managed to cum). It didn't help that we mentioned to her that she was the 4th session of the night, which she took as her excuse / getaway card, knowing that she did not need to do anything and it would be easy 120 e. Up-sell on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord105][CodeWord105][/url], which neither of us were interested in. Looks and body - 6.5/10. Service - 3.5/10. Would not recommend.

On a side note.

A) Kissing is extra. All the girls I sessioned with and a couple of others who I chatted with said Kissing / FK / DFK was an extra. Anywhere from 20 to 40. I did not notice this in my previous visits and most of the girls I sessioned with did kiss to some extent and it was never an extra. While I was sitting at reception talking on the phone, a guy mentioned the exact thing to the thekefrau and she just shrugged it off saying that this is upto the girls if they want to charge extra or not. So clearly there are no house rules on this. 60 gets you a BJ and normal sex for 30 minutes. Everything else is extra.

B) Be careful in the shower. A combination of soap scum on the floor and slippers with no grip meant that I took a nasty fall and hit my head. Knocked the wind out of me and I had to delay my second session for an hour on account of this.

C) Food has gotten worse. Not that it was great to begin with, but it's worse now IMHO. I had to rely on fruits, soup, juice and energy bars that I took with me to get me through the night.

D) More 7's and 8's rather than 9's or 10's. I don't think I need to elaborate on this.

I was in Artemis a couple nights this past week. As others have said, it feels like the club has gone downhill somewhat. Especially if you are not a regular at the club, there is a lot of aggressive hard-sell behavior from the girls (and upselling in the room). Because I am probably nice to a fault and don't want to come across as a jerk, I end up going along with some of this and spent far more money in a couple nights than I had any real business doing. For the same amount of money I could have had a few really top-class escort experiences, but it's hard to think in rational terms when you are already horny in the club and a girl starts reaching under your robe.

Anyway, the service was good from the girls I did see. They are just aggressive negotiators now. You have to be willing to be firm in saying no or you will get in deep as I did.

Camilla (Brazil). Large breasts, nice butt, curvy girl with a warm personality and a good sense of humor. Only been at Artemis a couple months I think (if I remember right). But is not new to the scene overall. I saw her solo the first night, then in a threesome the second night and later on again that second night solo once more. Good service, nice girl to be around, always laughing.

Violeta (Hungarian, if I remember right? Dark hair, very nice natural body, sweet personality. I was only with her in the threesome with Camilla, but I would have liked to have seen her solo sometime as well.

Amira (Moroccan / German). Amira was a delight. She is a knockout physically and mentally. Easy to talk to, smart, understanding. While we did negotiate a price beyond the typical rate for an hour, it included DFK and top-level service all around. She was completely up front about it and we agreed to everything in the room beforehand. No regrets, other than only seeing her once, since she wasn't working the other day I was there!

It's a shame I didn't spot Ella on Wednesday. Saw her twice last year and very memorable, very active in the room, feels like real GFE.

Otherwise I also was on the lookout for Shaz, but did not see her either night. Perhaps she has moved on from Artemis. I hope she's doing well, wherever she is now.

I myself may not be back to Artemis again, either. I think the charm and novelty of the FKK atmosphere has worn off on me. The club feels smaller and less populated, and the girls I found appealing enough to go to the room with were the exception to the rule, unfortunately. A lot of girls just were not that appealing (either because I did not find them particularly attractive, or because of their transparently sharky attitude). The variance in pricing now also leads to a lot less certainty of what you'll get and for how much, which means I'd rather budget for sure things rather than gamble on the Artemis lineup.

But still, all that having been said. I did have a good time. It just felt a bit like the end of something for me, personally.

No tattoos, no fake boobs. Just pure beauty / model / sweet look. She get snapped up pretty fast usually. If she is in the house, you will not miss it. She makes heads turn.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=MrHo;1886392]OK, so she is blonde and not brunette, then it is new girl. I got to seek for tall blonde Hungarian then LOL.

This tall blonde one has any tattoo? Big tits? Silicone or?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BookKeeper;1886752]No tattoos, no fake boobs. Just pure beauty / model / sweet look. She get snapped up pretty fast usually. If she is in the house, you will not miss it. She makes heads turn.
[/QUOTE]At Pharisaer. As you are the talent meister, the Duden of Damsels, please put us out of our misery. Cannot take much more of could be this, could be that, Ninja think it is Christina (usually with glasses). OK but YMMV.

I think Artemis will rebound, but it is hard to tell when.

- Some new girls might be reluctant to start working at Artemis because of the recent news stories. So recruitment has fallen.

- Some girls at Artemis in affiliation to the guys in that last article might be long gone or out of the picture for various reasons.

- As the club is not allowed to set rules for the girls any longer, the girls themselves has to discuss and come up with rules good enough to tempt new customers to come. Picky customers like most in here who has the option to go elsewhere where the fruits are hanging lower will demand just as much as before and that include less sharkiness or upsells.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1887114]I think Artemis will rebound, but it is hard to tell when.

- Some new girls might be reluctant to start working at Artemis because of the recent news stories. So recruitment has fallen.

- Some girls at Artemis in affiliation to the guys in that last article might be long gone or out of the picture for various reasons.

- As the club is not allowed to set rules for the girls any longer, the girls themselves has to discuss and come up with rules good enough to tempt new customers to come. Picky customers like most in here who has the option to go elsewhere where the fruits are hanging lower will demand just as much as before... and that include less sharkiness or upsells...[/QUOTE]Yes, there are many alarming reports about Artemis after police raid. It make me want to avoid Artemis as I am fly in monger.

Facility wise, I like Artemis the best, but I am not in FKK for faculty, I am mainly in FKK for good LU, service and no canning by girls, so if that is lost, then there is no reason for me or any experienced monger to go to Artemis anymore as we have other FKK to go to.

I am tempted to try out for myself, but flying into Berlin as base point for mongering can be risky as there is only Artemis. So it maybe better to fly into Frankfurt as base point for mongering and fly into Berlin for one day or two to check for my self, police raid really messed things up for many mongers.

It was not just the police raid though. Artemis has slowly been heading this way for 2 years now. The raid just sped it up a bit. But it could still turn around. I hope.

I still manage to always find girls there to go with, but its less overwhelming in options than it used to be.

Artemis for me has always meant lower service level and higher prices than Oase, Sharks or World. And that has nothing to do with the raid. I'd put it on a similar level as Palace regarding line up structure and service. Also I can't see what is so great about its hardware, major part of the building is 10 years old and needs refurbishment. Food is awful. Service at the bar also. No air to breathe in the main room. But that's just my opinion.

HB.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1887446]It was not just the police raid though. Artemis has slowly been heading this way for 2 years now. The raid just sped it up a bit. But it could still turn around. I hope.

I still manage to allways find girls there to go with, but its less overwhelming in options than it used to be...[/QUOTE]Yeah it was not just police raid, it was more like platoon came and get Osama bin laden the second or something LOL.

Artemis was becoming bit like sister club of palace, a lot of up selling and service not following up with older line up comparison to 2010, 2011, 2012. From 2013. Artemis begin to decline with older LU.

Hello fellow mongers! Some reflections from Sunday and Monday.

Plenty of customers on Sunday a bit less on Monday. There was good numbers of girls both days and as usual they come in all different shape and form so there is really something for everyone. For me the LU was very good I even had to skip a few girls I would love to fuck! More or less all the familiar faces was there and some new as well.

Food as always hit and miss on Sunday they had a barbecue in the outside area so it was ok on Monday they had chicken leg with fried rice or pasta and some strange stew, edible but not more I would say. But as others before me have reported about there are plenty of restaurants close by, if you like asian food like I do take a taxi to Kantstrasse and you have lots of good options available.

For me it looked as business as usual! As Pistons and others stated before the girls have more freedom for example they don't have to stay to 5 am if the club is empty and that is a good change I would say. When it comes to fixed prices on different services, that's when it could be a bit of a problem for some people I guess. But it's not rocket science just as before you should always talk with the girls before you take them to the room, that has been echoed here for years and for a good reason!! Ask the girl what she like and if there is something she doesn't like! It's quite simple really, you need to communicate to other human beings!

Of experience, if you act in respectful manner are kind to the girls you will get good service 90% of the time IMHO.

Sunday,

First session Aksena, Bul.

Blonde about 30 years? Modest silicones C-cup, been with her before so no surprise, great BBBJ skills, tight pussy and lots of DFK. Great performer, perfect start on this Sunday! Highly recommended!

Second session Kisha, Ger / Bra late 20's?

Killerbody! Brown curly hair, perfect set of silicones the-cup had her coming hard in DATY that really sat the mood on her giving me a great GFE experience. Highly recommended!

Third session Sheenya, Rom.

Long black curly hair probably in her early 30's? Modest silicones, I have been with her a few times before so I receive the GFE-experience perfect BJ-skills, she is very sweet and nice to talk with. Highly recommended!

Monday,

Arrived as early as 12:30 had some breakfast and catch some sun outside before the thunder and lightning later that day.

First session Kisha had to repeat her and she didn't disappoint me, on the contrary this session was even more passionate, as said highly recommended!

Second session Zuma? 22 year old Thai-girl with small tits, one is pierced, beautiful face, fitness-ass! Not really sure of the name.

Had a great time with this thai-girl she has a sense of humour, really tight body not GFE but some light kissing. Highly recommended!

Third session Desiree, South Africa.

Early 30's? Black girl with silicones, she was like a wild animal in the room totally GFE with lots of BBBJ, DATY. Highly recommended!

Fourth session Amira, Mar / Ger.

Mid / Late 20's really beautiful face with stunning long hair, nice natural tits, I had have my eyes on her before but never had a session with her so when she confronted her I did unfortunately the rookie-mistake and not talked enough with her before taking her to the room. We had a good time, she is very easy to talk to and is very outgoing. But we never really had any chemistry, and she was trying to sell GFE-experience for 200 1 hour, I don't think I will repeat.

Fifth session Akira, Thai.

I was ready to leave when this stunning girl was coming down the stairs, I had seen her earlier in the day but she was always busy. This was the best session these days, supercute girl with firm silicones with face like a doll, she was very passionate in the room starting with DFK to set the tone of this perfect hour, I made her come three / four times in DATY before she performed a memorable BBBJ and sex. She was very gentle during the whole time. If it wasn't for it was my 5th pop of the night I would have extended several hours with her. Most highly recommended!!

I had a very good time at Artemis this time around, all sessions is 1 h I suspect that helps the service level for some girls!?

I read that Pistons thinks it's less overwhelming then it used to be and I agree, but I think it's mainly because both you and me have done this for so many years so in a weird way it feels normal to see so many naked girls, It's not!! And maybe also because we have seen many of the same girls naked for years now. Just a thought!

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1887479]Artemis for me has always meant lower service level and higher prices than Oase, Sharks or World. And that has nothing to do with the raid. I'd put it on a similar level as Palace regarding line up structure and service. Also I can't see what is so great about its hardware, major part of the building is 10 years old and needs refurbishment. Food is awful. Service at the bar also. No air to breathe in the main room. But that's just my opinion.

HB.[/QUOTE]Hello HB,

I have no idea how often you visit Artemis but the fact that you get higher service level at Oase, Sharks & World is probably because you visit them frequently!? I myself have only been in Frankfurt once but since I was the new face at Oase and Palace I had an awful time and will probably don't be back any time soon. For me in Oase and Palace the ladies was very aggressive and sharky and couldn't take no for an answer IMHO. When I was a newbie in Berlin 7-8 years ago I had a few bad experiences but nothing like Oase and Frankfurt and I think it's mainly because there are many more customers at Artemis, the girls simply don't have to be so aggressive.

Like you I also think the air in the main room is awful, and service in the bars could be better apart from that and the food I like the layout at Artemis, but each to their own!

Happy hunting!

@Hessen Bub,

I have complete other experiences. Artemis is Club in Germany with the various lineup. In World and Oase all women are from the same type: Romanian, black hair, no tattoos and silicone, for me just horrible. In Artemis you have many German girls, also Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Turkish, Asian, blacks, Slovakian and so on. The girls in world and Oase are so boring.

And the Artemis club is ten years old but do you want to tell me that Oase or World is better? Oase is absolute terrible inside, OK outdoor is much better. World is also a Club where the 81 er didn't invest the last years. Have a look on the saunas and the. The advantage is the outdoor area.

OK the good is awful in Artemis I agree. In world it's much better.

The real problem for Artemis could be the new freedom for the girls incl. The price structure. But this problem is a problem for every club for the future.

I have to support you on the vanity point Toxeh. Every club gets less exotic the more you go there. Its a red line going on these forums that the more some poster has visited a certain club, the more jinxed he becomes towards stating that the club has deteriorated. For me the only exception to that rule was Oase, which I think is 500 times better now 2016 than in 13/14.

And also, the more frequent you go there and know the girls, the better the service. By the way, you did hit two of my Artemis favourites too: Aksena and Sona (the thai 22 yrs old), so I know why the positivism. Hehe.

The club is not bad, but it has 150 girls sometimes and the largest club in Germany, so it should always have more beauties than clubs with 50,60 or 70 girls in west Germany. But right now, its just an equal to some of the west German clubs. That's my main point if not my only viable point I suppose.

Can anyone say if the Polish girl named Sandra still are working at Artemis?

I'm going to take a visit at Artemis maybe next weekend, I had a great time with her last year and I really hope to see her once again.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1887506]Second session Zuma? 22 year old Thai-girl with small tits, one is pierced, beautiful face, fitness-ass! Not really sure of the name.[/QUOTE]Suna or Soona. Not 22 yrs at all, but recommended.

[QUOTE=FlyByCable;1887637]Can anyone say if the Polish girl named Sandra still are working at Artemis?[/QUOTE]Sandra's still there. Nightshift.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1887661]Suna or Soona. Not 22 yrs at all, but recommended.[/QUOTE]Her words not mine! But she is maybe lying that little c**t!! LOL, No but seriously she is well recommended very good performer.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1887661]Suna or Soona. Not 22 yrs at all, but recommended.

Sandra's still there. Nightshift.[/QUOTE]Sunaree is a real Thai name so Soona / Suna could be a short form.

Sunisa is another Thai name. However short form would probably be just Saa.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1887534]@Hessen Bub,

I have complete other experiences. Artemis is Club in Germany with the various lineup. In World and Oase all women are from the same type: Romanian, black hair, no tattoos and silicone, for me just horrible. In Artemis you have many German girls, also Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Russian, Turkish, Asian, blacks, Slovakian and so on. The girls in world and Oase are so boring.

And the Artemis club is ten years old but do you want to tell me that Oase or World is better? Oase is absolute terrible inside, OK outdoor is much better. World is also a Club where the 81 er didn't invest the last years. Have a look on the saunas and the. The advantage is the outdoor area.[/QUOTE]When was the last time you've been to World? Sauna is new, main bar area is brandnew, outside are being refreshed.

I don't like silly cones or painted / pierced bodies. I like natural girls. I don't care about nationalities, I care about looks and service. So Oase, World or Sharks are best options for me. No need to go to Berlin for me for mongering.

HB.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1887508]
I myself have only been in Frankfurt once but since I was the new face at Oase and Palace I had an awful time and will probably don't be back any time soon. For me in Oase and Palace the ladies was very aggressive and sharky and couldn't take no for an answer IMHO. [/QUOTE]I am by no means a regular to Artemis and will never be.

You chose the wrong clubs in Hessen. Palace is similar to Artemis. Oase can be for newbies. Tourist traps. Try World or Sharks and you will have a far better experience.

HB.

Newb is sombody that has not experienced various venues. Until you have ventured out to well reputed clubs for service, you will be limited on experiences, and therefore have any relative idea to guage services. Or be considered reputable to be taken serious under my books in regards to rating service.

I agree with HB on Artemis. If Artemis is what is considered the only experience, you have experienced nothing yet.

For me, NRW is the definitive punting region to gain any relative idea of services. Until then, yall can go back and forth with the "considered" big popular clubs, and I'll be getting spoiled with better and better experiences.

Well, I went back to this place after about a year and can report that nothing much has changed. Girls are the same, as is the food. I enjoyed the outdoor area in the warm weather.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1888241]Newb is sombody that has not experienced various venues. Until you have ventured out to well reputed clubs for service, you will be limited on experiences, and therefore have any relative idea to guage services. Or be considered reputable to be taken serious under my books in regards to rating service.

I agree with HB on Artemis. If Artemis is what is considered the only experience, you have experienced nothing yet.

For me, NRW is the definitive punting region to gain any relative idea of services. Until then, yall can go back and forth with the "considered" big popular clubs, and I'll be getting spoiled with better and better experiences.[/QUOTE]Hello PL,

It feels like your post is pointed in my direction? Maybe I'm mistaken?! I actually started to laugh if you think I have limited experience in this great hobby! If it's me you referring to!? I have actually been doing this for over fifteen years and I have not reported on half of the places I have been visited over the years, so i think i am entitled to rate service and LU. I don't want to start a pissing-contest but the only difference between your close to 3000 posts and my 145 is that I don't have the same interest as you to post various posts with zero information and misguided criticism because i don't share the same views as other forum members...

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1888111]I am by no means a regular to Artemis and will never be.

You chose the wrong clubs in Hessen. Palace is similar to Artemis. Oase can be for newbies. Tourist traps. Try World or Sharks and you will have a far better experience.

HB.[/QUOTE]If I go back to the Frankfurt-area I will definitely visit Sharks, World seems a bit to long way to go with taxi!? Artemis is IMHO a much better & friendlier place than Palace.

Kind regards Toxteth.

The thing with Artemis is that it sometimes feels like the UN of FKK's. Sure there are lots of tats, and half the girls would fit into palace well. But the other half comes from all sorts of other FKK's, Spain, London escorts etc etc and bring with them their values from those places. So generalizing a club after the 50% 'palace-like' girls is a little off target. Artemis has two faces. The amount of girls there hold up that distinction. Perhaps it is more two to one, but nonetheless, the top performers at Artemis are also some of the best I've ever met.

The only thing the nrw clubs have that Artemis and Hessen clubs don't is the meticulous training. . which the girls sometimes bring with them. But if you really want trained girls, there are some places in Asia that takes it to the extreme, try those.

To me, the training is less important. The important thing is the connection I get with the girl... and with that normally comes service.

How much do they charge for a rim job (on me)?

[QUOTE=StrikeFour;1888611]How much do they charge for a rim job (on me)?[/QUOTE]You will have to ask the girl since some girls will not do it and some girls who do it may not do it for all guys. Then when you find a girl willing then the prices vary from nil to something a bit more. If the service is paid for then work on 50 euro as a standard.

[QUOTE=StrikeFour;1888611]How much do they charge for a rim job (on me)?[/QUOTE]Most girls only offer fingers for 50 extra. Hardly many girls who would do a rimjob, as they see that as much less clean. Which it is.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1888285]
The only thing the nrw clubs have that artemis and hessen clubs don't is the meticulous training. . which the girls sometimes bring with them. But if you really want trained girls, there are some places in asia that takes it to the extreme... try those.. lol

[/QUOTE]Training? To sell extras? To rip off tourists? The perfect fake orgasm? The best blowjob? How to make Asian come in 95 seconds?

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1888806]The perfect fake orgasm? The best blowjob? How to make Asian come in 95 seconds?

HB.[/QUOTE]1 and 2 yes (Asian girls in general can't do good BJ's though. Too small mouth.). 3 is more global wouldn't you say? Jk, seen Asian guys fuck in FKK's before. Publicly, and there its more the guys lacking passion than the girls. Dunno if all are like that though.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1889022]1 and 2 yes (asian girls in general can't do good bj's though. Too small mouth.). 3 is more global wouldn't you say? Jk, seen asian guys fuck in FKK's before. Publicly, and there its more the guys lacking passion than the girls. Dunno if all are like that though.[/QUOTE]W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F W T F ...

A long time ago, this was once Artemis thread.

So, what did you buy at the supermarket?

Cherries?

You know, its cool with that word game of yours. If you narrow the margins on the side in your browser, you can actually see that you are writing WTF after a few lines, and not TFW or FWT. Kinda neat.

At Hessen Bub.

My last visit to World was too years ago. The saunas were very bad this time and also many the outdoor couches were broken. Some weeks ago some friends visited World but they were so unsatisfied with the these things that they left the club after two hours. OK they are used to Harmony, Seevetal, level. But World is except for the weekends in a crisis, sometimes a dead club. And sorry most of the girls are so boring and can't speak German. Please read in German forums for more details.

Artemis on the other hand has better furniture. OK some couches in the wellness area could be new but the main part is OK.

I've never been to artemis on a Wednesday, but it's looking like I may have no choice or risk just not going at all. For those who have been there on a Wednesday. Are the ladies very covered? Are they all covered or do some still wander around naked? I love seeing the goods beforehand.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1889072]I've never been to artemis on a Wednesday, but it's looking like I may have no choice or risk just not going at all. For those who have been there on a Wednesday. Are the ladies very covered? Are they all covered or do some still wander around naked? I love seeing the goods beforehand.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I think you shouldn't bother going. The girls will benefit, however, from having their tattoos covered up.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1889022]1 and 2 yes (asian girls in general can't do good bj's though. Too small mouth.). 3 is more global wouldn't you say? Jk, seen asian guys fuck in FKK's before. Publicly, and there its more the guys lacking passion than the girls. Dunno if all are like that though.[/QUOTE]Not me, so not all LOL.

Asian girls, well I never went with any Asian girls in FKK as they are all ugly ones in FKK, but I spoke to few at the stairs of Artemis and they were good hearted girls, but ugly, well some guys like that kinda Asian girls.

However, here, I fuck some porn stars and some Eurasian girls and they can suck good and use tongue well, if not I fuck their face like gagging style, then their tight mouth is good, got to gag their mouth like woodman style LOL.

Having said that, I went with one Asian girl before in FKK and that was in Artemis, her name was Phoebe and she was half Vietnamese and half German, she seemed new and very young. She gave good sessions, but I caught her new to the club last autumn, so she seemed like she did not know what she was doing, so she got my woodman style LOL The thing is she did not take shower after my session as I stayed around the stairs and she walked right back into main bar, then after like 5 minutes or so, she went to room with other punter.

Eurasians are hot, but when it comes to other Asians, I only porn stars.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1889072]I've never been to artemis on a Wednesday, but it's looking like I may have no choice or risk just not going at all. For those who have been there on a Wednesday. Are the ladies very covered? Are they all covered or do some still wander around naked? I love seeing the goods beforehand.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I like to see her nipple shape, tits forms, pussy etc. Before I go to room, so Wednesday is not for me, but if you got fetish for lingerie or taking them off, then you may like it. For me it is avoid night.

Mr. Ho: Sona is pretty hot. Guessing you haven't met her yet then. BJ is good too actually. But I was answering more about Asians in Asia. Somehow Asians in the west seems to have had some larger meals before, so their mouths are wider. Or perhaps its a cultural thing.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1889152]Mr. Ho: Sona is pretty hot. Guessing you haven't met her yet then. Bj is good too actually. But I was answering more about asians in asia. Somehow asians in the west seems to have had some larger meals before, so their mouths are wider. Or perhaps its a cultural thing :)[/QUOTE]Yeah Asians in European brothel are mostly not to my taste, but it suit some white folks. When I went to monger in manila, all the western guys go for typical local girls and I go only for Eurasian girls, so it suit my demand fine as it does not collide LOL.

In Artemis, there was a girl named Phoebe last November, she was half Vietnamese, half German and German born and raised, very beautiful looking girl. It was her first day and she was lost, so I took her for one hour and I was lucky to do whatever I wanted LOL I did it Pierre woodman style LOL.

Anyways Phoebe was the only Asian (Eurasian though) girl I went to room with in German FKK.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1889084]I like to see her nipple shape, tits forms, pussy etc. Before I go to room, so Wednesday is not for me, but if you got fetish for lingerie or taking them off, then you may like it. For me it is avoid night.[/QUOTE]So what you're saying, is that literally none of the girls are naked right? They all have to dress up? Unfortunate.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1889285]So what you're saying, is that literally none of the girls are naked right? They all have to dress up? Unfortunate.[/QUOTE]On lingerie night, girls wear lingerie, yes. Some guys like it, not me.

Visited on a Wed in early June. If I hadn't been aware of the raid, I'd have thought little had changed since previous visits in 2012, 2013 and 2015.

[B]Ladies[/B]

[B]Keisha[/B] (GER / BRA) Thanks to those who recently recommended this lovely little lady. I wouldn't have wanted to miss her sublime BBBJ.

[B]Priscilla[/B] (GER) Big busty blonde Berliner. Very interesting & subtle leopard-print tattoo-ing a very rare case for me where tattoos add something. Decent enough English, and great fun to play with. Another wonderful BBBJer. Sort of lady I go to Artemis for. Similar to Holly in that respect for those who know her.

Both negotiated pricing based on EUR 60 per 30 minutes of BBBJ & sex, with GFE / kissing a one-off EUR 50 extra per session (i.e. better value the longer you go), and CIM a EUR 50 extra (per shot for you younger studs, definitely a one-off for me). On reflection, next time I'd do all the negotiating prior to going to the room, as I wonder how you stand if negotiations break down to the point you don't want to proceed at all after committing to a room?

Both were very fair on time, and 30 minutes now actually seems to mean 30 minutes which wasn't always my experience in the past.

LU is very varied which I always appreciate. Plenty I wouldn't think once about, but there was easily twenty I would have been very happy to consider. I found it very quiet up to around 5 pm, but after that it was the usual bustle of circulating girls amongst lots of guys hanging around the stair well.

[B]Impressions[/B]

Pleasantly surprised by a lack of sharkiness that had been the mild irritation of previous visits. A few intros were abruptly curtailed when I didn't show interest, but gone were the really offensive drive-by-shooting style of approaches. I got the impression the ladies were a happier group - maybe due to "winning" more flexible working hours and the chance to increase earnings?

Food served for dinner was fine by me. Service of drinks more the problem very hard to end up with a full glass of not-flat soft drink with some ice no matter how you ask for it. I like it when the self-service drink fountains near the outdoor pool are open. At least you get a full glass.

I was also surprised to find the ladies were very unruffled by the raid and any potential consequences. Whether this optimism is justified, time will tell.

Some of the rommies that were missing the last time I was there a few weeks ago were more the sharks at the club. Maybe those were the girls with affiliation to that network that was discussed in that newspaper article. So they didn't like their jobs at all.

Too bad the replacements didnt look so good. And the bad PR doesnt help with recruitment. But time heals all wounds right? Lets hope...

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1892172]Visited on a Wed in early June. If I hadn't been aware of the raid, I'd have thought little had changed since previous visits in 2012, 2013 and 2015.

[B]Ladies[/B]

[B]Keisha[/B] (GER / BRA) Thanks to those who recently recommended this lovely little lady. I wouldn't have wanted to miss her sublime BBBJ.

[B]Priscilla[/B] (GER) Big busty blonde Berliner. Very interesting & subtle leopard-print tattoo-ing a very rare case for me where tattoos add something. Decent enough English, and great fun to play with. Another wonderful BBBJer. Sort of lady I go to Artemis for. Similar to Holly in that respect for those who know her.

Both negotiated pricing based on EUR 60 per 30 minutes of BBBJ & sex, with GFE / kissing a one-off EUR 50 extra per session (i.e. better value the longer you go), and CIM a EUR 50 extra (per shot for you younger studs, definitely a one-off for me). On reflection, next time I'd do all the negotiating prior to going to the room, as I wonder how you stand if negotiations break down to the point you don't want to proceed at all after committing to a room?.[/QUOTE]Good to know, on the way!

Did you see Carrie (Bul)? Is she still around? I met her last year and it was great.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1892172]Visited on a Wed in early June. If I hadn't been aware of the raid, I'd have thought little had changed since previous visits in 2012, 2013 and 2015.

[B]Ladies[/B]

[B]Keisha[/B] (GER / BRA) Thanks to those who recently recommended this lovely little lady. I wouldn't have wanted to miss her sublime BBBJ.

[B]Priscilla[/B] (GER) Big busty blonde Berliner. Very interesting & subtle leopard-print tattoo-ing a very rare case for me where tattoos add something. Decent enough English, and great fun to play with. Another wonderful BBBJer. Sort of lady I go to Artemis for. Similar to Holly in that respect for those who know her.

Both negotiated pricing based on EUR 60 per 30 minutes of BBBJ & sex, with GFE / kissing a one-off EUR 50 extra per session (i.e. better value the longer you go), and CIM a EUR 50 extra (per shot for you younger studs, definitely a one-off for me). On reflection, next time I'd do all the negotiating prior to going to the room, as I wonder how you stand if negotiations break down to the point you don't want to proceed at all after committing to a room?l.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Freddy3;1892861]Did you see Carrie (Bul)? Is she still around? I met her last year and it was great.[/QUOTE]Not one I remember meeting.

[QUOTE=Freddy3;1892861]Did you see Carrie (Bul)? Is she still around? I met her last year and it was great.[/QUOTE]

She was working 29th of May. She had changed her hair-colour, almost blonde this time! Beautiful as always

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1893182]She was working 29th of May. She had changed her hair-colour, almost blonde this time! Beautiful as always[/QUOTE]She can't be much around though. I don't think I've seen her on my last 4 Berlin visits. So since last year pretty much. Any idea whats keeping her away? Or is she just taking a leave all the time untill her money is spent up again? Ashame since she's a clear 10 in looks...

[QUOTE=Pistons;1893207]She can't be much around though. I don't think I've seen her on my last 4 Berlin visits. So since last year pretty much. Any idea whats keeping her away? Or is she just taking a leave all the time untill her money is spent up again? Ashame since she's a clear 10 in looks...[/QUOTE]I go to Berlin 5-6 times every year, most times I stay between Sunday-Wednesday she has actually been there on all my last visits the last year so maybe she prefers working those days? She is one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in any club, so I guess we share the same taste.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1893223]I go to Berlin 5-6 times every year, most times I stay between Sunday-Wednesday she has actually been there on all my last visits the last year so maybe she prefers working those days? She is one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in any club, so I guess we share the same taste.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much. So I try it on a Sunday next time.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1893223]I go to Berlin 5-6 times every year, most times I stay between Sunday-Wednesday she has actually been there on all my last visits the last year so maybe she prefers working those days? She is one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in any club, so I guess we share the same taste.[/QUOTE]Ok, so she probably stays in Berlin all the time then, but takes off 2-3 random days per week. Maybe I did see her once in Feb. When I come to think of it.

Carrie is the second most beautiful girl I think I seen in my life, the first is heaven also from Artemis. Last time I seen Carrie was last year but it's good to read she's still around. Might help me book a ticket faster LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1874532]Well I do realize I am so fucked up my self from normal society point of view that I am not in position to judge bishops or judge.

However fucked up I really am when it comes to my beautiful prostitute hobby. I see normal people more fucked up for marrying and by doing so they are paying millions to fuck middle age women over and over for rest of their life. Isn't this more fucked up? It is to me.

Oh it is love?? It must be, other wise these married type who think I am fucked up have more fucked up taste in sex for having fetish of fucking middle age women called wife for millions of dollars. For me this is real fucked up and Sado Mazo. Fucked up LOL LOL.[/QUOTE]You are blabbering about this over and over again, it's just sad. Girls and physical pleasure are fun, but there are lots of other values in life. One does not contradict the other, so just go visit a shrink already.

[QUOTE=Pheebo;1895484]You are blabbering about this over and over again, it's just sad.[/QUOTE]Here's my how-to-deal-with-it. Just follow these small steps. Six steps. One great experience.

First. Look at the upper left corner of your internet browser. There's a small red ribbon, titled "Welcome, Pheebo". Got it? Great. Here's step two.

Second. Search the word "Settings". Eight white letters on a red ground. Got it? Great. Klick it. And follow me to step three.

Third. It's getting a little bit more difficult now. Some sex advertising (Huh!) should flicker at the left side of your browser. Just beneath the ad you'll find some small boxes. Got them? Yeah, you're one of the best. Step four is on the way.

Fourth. Three small boxes. The lower one will lead us forward. Got it? Wow! Step five.

Fifth. The lower box ist titled "My Settings", isn't it? Look at this box. Look out for the words "Edit Ignore List". Klick the sentence. No fear, my dear, we're mostly done. Step sex. Argh. Sorry, step six. My mistake.

Sixth. Just follow the instructions repeated here: "To add a user to the list, enter their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay' " Note: the correct spelling is "Mr Ho". Type the name, click "Okay". That's it.

Six steps. One great experience: No blabbering again. It's so simple, isn't it?

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1895720]Here's my how-to-deal-with-it. Just follow these small steps. Six steps. One great experience. No blabbering again. It's so simple, isn't it?[/QUOTE]Genius stuff. Like always.

But it only works if you are constantly logged in. Ninja not...too afraid of wives and grandmother.

I'm planning another trip to Artemis and I was wondering if anyone uses their own condoms? I purchased some ultra-ultra thin condoms from online and they are much better then the ones provided in the club. When should I ask the girl, should I just pull it out in the room and lay it on the bed, ask her before the room if I can use it, show her in the room, etc? Any advice would be helpful here.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1895746]I'm planning another trip to Artemis and I was wondering if anyone uses their own condoms? I purchased some ultra-ultra thin condoms from online and they are much better then the ones provided in the club. When should I ask the girl, should I just pull it out in the room and lay it on the bed, ask her before the room if I can use it, show her in the room, etc? Any advice would be helpful here.[/QUOTE]If it is a big issue for you, then you better discuss it before you go to the room.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1895746] Anyone uses their own condoms? Any advice would be helpful here.[/QUOTE]This is trust issue. All girls know of stories of weird psycho guys (yes they exist) who punch pin holes in condoms. So best is to feel way in the room, and carry in safe, strong looking protection cordura pouch like small coin or card holder. This help with trust. Generally not a problem, but each girl different. Also maybe first time, you have 4 or so, and let her select, also help trust.

German brand Billy Boy make very good, non-latex polyurethane condom come in kind of individual shallow "jam" container. Very very sensitive, easy to put on, though more expensive like Eur 2,35 each. You find in DM drug stores in Berlin. These much better than plastic bag house standards. Condoms suck, but disease suck much worse.

Well I can confirm there are cases of overpricing. Like extra for licking and kissing or just a higher price for the time.

Of course this might be exceptions but I suggest you make sure of the prices and what they include before going to the room. I'd actually prefer not to do that (the point of FKK was standard prices) but it might be a necessity, at least when trying new girls. With girls I've been already I don't ask and I just do the usual.

Also line up the end of this week was underwhelming for me (number and quality wise), I don't know if it is temporary or what.

[QUOTE=BuckRogers;1896038]Well I can confirm there are cases of overpricing. Like extra for licking and kissing or just a higher price for the time.

Of course this might be exceptions but I suggest you make sure of the prices and what they include before going to the room. I'd actually prefer not to do that ...[/QUOTE]Can't think of it as overpricing any more. Those days are gone, and girls have a legal right to charge what they like for the services they are happy to provide.

But, we will always have the right of refusal, so yes, negotiate from a position of strength, which is before making any move towards the room.

It does take a bit of the fun out of it, but such is life.

Just got back from one week of Artemis.

Boss apparently is still in custody, but things are back as almost normal.

Service level was almost same or same as before and to me no up selling in room, some girls kiss and some don't like before, but in general service level was within satisfactory and I never heard girls charging extra for DATY, kissing I hear sometimes, but with those girls who do not like to kiss, it is better not to pay up and force it as it won't be satisfying. Over all service quality is higher than palace, lower than sharks, so same as before the raid.

Good change is that girls tend to take polite no thank you from guests more politely. Meaning before, even I react politely and refused, I often got yanked at or thrown some bad attitude when I refuse to go to the room with girls, but during this visit, girls were all so nice when I refuse to go to room with them. This for me was something new and positive change in this 7th years I been to Artemis.

LU are more or less the same, but with much less younger girls and not much new girls to LU. Artemis need to fix the LU situation as I see some faces for way too long and they are above 30 or even 35, they need to add more younger girls to LU.

Girls seems to work more freely with time and there are some girls in club who only work based on appointment only with clients they choose, so those girls are rarely seen in main bar area as they only come down when she has her appointment with the client and the main bar is the meeting spot.

Other than that, not much changed to Artemis and things are same as before, I just feel LU should refresh up a bit as it is about time for some older girls of Artemis to move on. And welcome some girls in to LU of Artemis.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1896269]Can't think of it as overpricing any more. Those days are gone, and girls have a legal right to charge what they like for the services they are happy to provide.

[/QUOTE]Sure we can think of it as overpricing. Just as much as the girls can name their own prices, we can call it just what we want. Overprice normally refers to over the range we are willing to pay. And as the girls themselves at Artemis has a loose agreement of sticking to the old prices, asking for more is deffinately over the old range.

Just gotta fish around a bit to find the right girls at Artemis. There are some of the girls trying to lobby all the others to rise the prices. But then about half, or over half the girls doesnt care what they say. Less customers for the overcharging girls...

If it gets too bad, just go to other clubs. So far it is still livable. At least for short stays...

[QUOTE=Pistons;1896561]Sure we can think of it as overpricing. Just as much as the girls can name their own prices, we can call it just what we want. Overprice normally refers to over the range we are willing to pay. And as the girls themselves at Artemis has a loose agreement of sticking to the old prices, asking for more is deffinately over the old range.

Just gotta fish around a bit to find the right girls at Artemis. There are some of the girls trying to lobby all the others to rise the prices. But then about half, or over half the girls doesnt care what they say. Less customers for the overcharging girls...

If it gets too bad, just go to other clubs. So far it is still livable. At least for short stays...[/QUOTE]I strictly chooses girls I go with, so I only went with 5 different girls, 4 being new to me and I can confirm that prices are the same as before and there were no upsell to me at least during one week in Artemis. One of them was Ro too LOL.

Girls somehow seems happier and took no thank you very nicely comparison to before as well, this I noticed very much.

So Artemis is same as before the police raid and all good beside line up. Line up need more younger girls.

I follow with my eyes most girls in main bar etc and I rarely see those older girls taking clients to the rooms. I think it is about time for them to move on to different kind of club where there are demand for them.

Too many older girls at Artemis right now.

Please remind me, are there any magazines in the club, or I should bring some read material with me? I think I've seen some magazines downstairs, but that's been over a year ago and now I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=Pheebo;1897054]Please remind me, are there any magazines in the club, or I should bring some read material with me? I think I've seen some magazines downstairs, but that's been over a year ago and now I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]You'll find some magazines downstairs, right. But it's german stuff, and it's a very small choice only. Maybe it's a good idea bringing your own. Most guys do so.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1897295]You'll find some magazines downstairs, right. But it's german stuff, and it's a very small choice only. Maybe it's a good idea bringing your own. Most guys do so.[/QUOTE]Any pushback on ereaders? Not ipad / tablet that has color screen, but an e-ink kindle or other. I meant to try last trip to Germany, but kept leaving it in the room.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1897712]Any pushback on ereaders? Not ipad / tablet that has color screen, but an e-ink kindle or other. I meant to try last trip to Germany, but kept leaving it in the room.[/QUOTE]I've never had trouble concerning my Kindle, neither inside nor outside.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1897849]I've never had trouble concerning my Kindle, neither inside nor outside.[/QUOTE]Excellent. Thanks. I don't read german and as much as I enjoy watching naked ladies, sometimes reading helps pass the time between sessions.

So, I am visiting Artemis for the first time in the next month. I don't really speak very good German, will I still get on OK or would I struggle a bit? I am hoping that most of the girls will speak enough English that I will be able to get by.

English is perfectly ok with the girls and staff.

HB.

Are the girls in reception naked / sexy clothed? Or they rather look like girls in hotel's reception?

[QUOTE=AgoPago;1900409]Are the girls in reception naked / sexy clothed? Or they rather look like girls in hotel's reception?[/QUOTE]LOL.

Hotel receptionist in casual clothes and mostly old LOL Believe me you would not want to take them to rooms even they pay you 60 euro per 30 min LOL.

However, they are nice people and helpful at least with my experience.

[QUOTE=AgoPago;1900409]Are the girls in reception naked / sexy clothed? Or they rather look like girls in hotel's reception?[/QUOTE]Hotel reception.

Save your attention for the girls past the reception.

You will likely pass by some WGs on your way from the reception desk to the shower room. The money lockers are in between.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1900558]Save your attention for the girls past the reception.

You will likely pass by some WGs on your way from the reception desk to the shower room. Just ask one of them for a blowjob to get you started.[/QUOTE]True, the sooner you start fucking, the more times you can fuck.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1900497]LOL.
Hotel receptionist in casual clothes and mostly old LOL Believe me you would not want to take them to rooms even they pay you 60 euro per 30 min LOL.[/QUOTE]I wonder at your knowledge. On several occasions I have been welcomed by a most beautiful theke. Late twenties, long blonde hair, friendly.

I would take her to a room anytime.

[QUOTE=Chops00;1899350] I am hoping that most of the girls will speak enough English that I will be able to get by.[/QUOTE]There's always enough girls that speak English. But not all of them. In my experience, there's more English speakers outside summer time.

A few words of German might please that one girl you like so much. So just try.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1900803]I wonder at your knowledge. On several occasions I have been welcomed by a most beautiful theke. Late twenties, long blonde hair, friendly.

I would take her to a room anytime.[/QUOTE]Well that is why I put mostly. I know the one you are talking about, I did not see her during this visit and also last November.

Yeah, I think I know the one you are talking about, I did not see her naked before, so I cannot say I will take her upstairs even if she is working girl. She is bit too short for me, though somehow reminds me of Marketa kinda direction.

I really choose who to go to room with.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1900953]I did not see her naked before, so I cannot say I will take her upstairs even if she is working girl. [/QUOTE]So, that's why you prefer Artemis. Seeing her naked before sex. Not a bad choice.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1900953]She is bit too short for me, though somehow reminds me of Marketa kinda direction.[/QUOTE]That cannot be the one. She is 1.70 plus without heels.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1900953]I really choose who to go to room with.[/QUOTE]You mean to say that you pick the girl and not vice versa. We have things in common.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1900804]There's always enough girls that speak English. But not all of them. In my experience, there's more English speakers outside summer time.

A few words of German might please that one girl you like so much. So just try.[/QUOTE]Been there 6 or 7 years, I never met any girl who does not speak English to the level where we cannot communicate. I think we have been going to different club LOL.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1900804]There's always enough girls that speak English. But not all of them. A few words of German might please that one girl you like so much. So just try.[/QUOTE]A few words of Romanian would please more.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1900953]

Yeah, I think I know the one you are talking about, I did not see her naked before, so I cannot say I will take her upstairs even if she is working girl. She is bit too short for me, though somehow reminds me of Marketa kinda direction.[/QUOTE]Hmm, the receptionist looking like Marketa is fairly new isn't she? Like just 2-3 months since she started? Otherwise I have no idea which one you mean. I was so let down when I realized she was just a receptionist as I first met her in the resturant. She's even hotter than that bartender who quit last year... :/

I mean, wtf? Doesn't girls these days wanna do a normal job any longer? LoL

[QUOTE=Pistons;1901340]Hmm, the receptionist looking like Marketa is fairly new isn't she? Like just 2-3 months since she started? Otherwise I have no idea which one you mean. I was so let down when I realized she was just a receptionist as I first met her in the resturant. She's even hotter than that bartender who quit last year... :/

I mean, wtf? Doesn't girls these days wanna do a normal job any longer? LoL[/QUOTE]Well now, it is all old or let say older for some manner and respect and believe me man, you do not want to take them to rooms even if they are available.

Except for two staffs, they are all old crew that I have seen for few years.

Unfortunately it goes same for most LU. Artemis has fresh girls that changes but this is like 35 % of LU or even less. 65 % of LU are same for few years and some girls has been there since day one I went to Artemis in 2009 or 2010.

I understand the diversification of LU, but now some girls are way too old like over 35 and really fat. Those belong to not FKK, but should belong to local brothel. I think it is about time for them to move on to brothel and replace them with younger LU, then this club is perfect both LU and facility.

Staffs great people, but I never looked at them as should I take them to room if they are working girl LOL.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1901247]So, that's why you prefer Artemis. Seeing her naked before sex. Not a bad choice.

That cannot be the one. She is 1.70 plus without heels.

You mean to say that you pick the girl and not vice versa. We have things in common.[/QUOTE]OK it is different blonde one as she was like 160 with high heel She was cute though.

Right, I never went to rooms with girls who approaches as they do not fit my type, but I must say one thing, every time I refuse politely, some of them curse at me as they walk away, not this is significantly less and they are nice even you refuse them when they approach, I really notice this difference after the raid, how it is related is big question for me.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1901301]Been there 6 or 7 years, I never met any girl who does not speak English to the level where we cannot communicate. I think we have been going to different club LOL.[/QUOTE]Gia from Moldova, Olga from Poland and Helen from Moldova I think, told me they didn't speak English. To my memory there were more of them but cannot remember all the names.

The last time I was there I met an Arabian French girl. It was German or French she told me.

My command of German is only slightly inferior to that of English (conversation, forget about speaking it perfect). So of course girls may have told me they didn't speak English. Just to be able to speak a language that is easier to them.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1901488] but I must say one thing, every time I refuse politely, some of them curse at me as they walk away, not this is significantly less and they are nice even you refuse them when they approach, I really notice this difference after the raid, how it is related is big question for me.[/QUOTE]Exactly the opposite here. I never had any trouble before the raid. Last time their attitude was horrible.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1901635]Gia from Moldova, Olga from Poland and Helen from Moldova I think, told me they didn't speak English. To my memory there were more of them but cannot remember all the names.

The last time I was there I met an Arabian French girl. It was German or French she told me.

My command of German is only slightly inferior to that of English (conversation, forget about speaking it perfect). So of course girls may have told me they didn't speak English. Just to be able to speak a language that is easier to them.[/QUOTE]Only girl I had difficulty communication was in Oase with one Hungarian girl there. In Artemis I never had any problem communicating in English, just with masseuse down stairs Haci may he rest in peace, though I did somehow communicate with him with hand gesture LOL.

For me even I was just there 7 times, but full 7 days after the raid, attitude got much better when I politely refuse them.

Either way we are there to fuck, not to talk, so as long as service is promising, then it is all OK and service was as it was before the raid, but someone mentioned that boss was back, but I hear from many sources that he is still detained and I did not see him all 7 times, I hope popo will release him soon.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1901842]just with masseuse down stairs Haci may he rest in peace, though I did somehow communicate with him with hand gesture LOL.[/QUOTE]That is my worst nightmare: a massage boy that wants to communicate with hand gestures!

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1901635]Gia from Moldova, Olga from Poland and Helen from Moldova I think, told me they didn't speak English. To my memory there were more of them but cannot remember all the names.

The last time I was there I met an Arabian French girl. It was German or French she told me.

My command of German is only slightly inferior to that of English (conversation, forget about speaking it perfect). So of course girls may have told me they didn't speak English. Just to be able to speak a language that is easier to them.[/QUOTE]Gia speaks English.

Is Lucy, Hun still working there? I saw her at the last week of March this year pre-raid. She is a small blond girl with a piercing above her mouth?

Might attend a 1 day conference in Berlin next month, would like to know if it would be worth to ninja over to Artemis mid day.

Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;1902153]Is Lucy, Hun still working there? I saw her at the last week of March this year pre-raid. She is a small blond girl with a piercing above her mouth?[/QUOTE]Don't remember exactly. I've had a chat with her in early May or so. That's all. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Samcik;1902151]Gia speaks English.[/QUOTE]I second that. She spoke English just fine with me. She also speaks perfect Spanish. But forget language, she is great in bed! She's playful, easy going and does her job very well.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;1902153]Is Lucy, Hun still working there? I saw her at the last week of March this year pre-raid. She is a small blond girl with a piercing above her mouth?

Might attend a 1 day conference in Berlin next month, would like to know if it would be worth to ninja over to Artemis mid day.

Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]I saw her in mid July, but she did not have piercing above her mouth, she is blonde, but dyed blonde right?

I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.

Made my trip to Artemis after many years. Reached there at 3 pm. Got approached by a duo, Maya. Hungarian brunette, and a blonde - forgot her name. Didn't take them up on their offer as I wanted to wait after having seen the line up. The LU wasn't very good, in fact worst of all the clubs I visited this time. I was standing near the stairs occasionally to see the girls going up to the room. Saw a good looking blonde talking on the phone for an extended time. Later got approached by the beauty and another tall girl. Found out they were Germans but I chose to have a session with first girl only, Anya.

Anya offered brief LFK, DATY, BBBJ, 69, DATO, sex in MPOS. I had to book her for one hour for all these goodies. Found out that she worked at other clubs including GT NRW. I came early at around the half hour mark and she avoided all contacts after that and we spent rest of the time chit chatting. Not really GFE but an OK experience but she has a very pretty face and a beautiful body.

Anya is one of the better new additions this year (if not the best new. Or shared top with another german I cannot recall the name of). She is really a nice person that is easy to like. Hard to get the real GFE with her, but easy to become a friend with her and she has a warm heart.

I'll be in Berlin in late August. Can I get Viagra from the WG's in Artemis? Or if I ask around do you think some of the other mongers might have some and be willing to share or sell some to me?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1902555]I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.[/QUOTE]Why don't you try it yourself and then report to us about it afterwards. By the way, the price for half an hour in Artemis is 60 euro.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1902476]I saw her in mid July, but she did not have piercing above her mouth, she is blonde, but dyed blonde right?[/QUOTE]I think she is a natural blond. She usually wears some type of bottom like a jean short shorts or a short jean skirt. She said she is 24 but looks like 18-20.

Artemis again after staying away for half a year. It was a Tuesday night, I arrived at about seven and the choice of girls was underwhelming. Just as last time I couldn't find any of my favorites, and on top of that I was repeatedly pestered by a very annoying Bulgarian shark with hideously fat silicone lips. She just wouldn't take no for an answer and kept seeking me out, going on with her "why not?" and "why are you so cold, you're like you are from Germany, Germans are cold!" and so on. I hate that fucking attitude!

Anyway, after a couple of hours the number and quality of the girls started to go up and I chatted with a few nice girls and was getting prepared to start up the action and seek out one of them again to take to the room, when I suddenly ran into an old friend, the blond and petite Mandy from Austria (once known as Daniella). Some chatting and a couple of laughs later we went to one of the downstairs rooms, and the session that followed was simply great! Intense sloppy licking (could have my nose pressed against that pussy and ass all day), 69 and slow sensual fucking in several positions. This girl has a really tight pussy and just being inside her without even moving feels fantastic! Came hard.

After this some smoking in the lounge, showering, sauna and half sleeping by the pool. I started to notice that the number of girls compared to men was getting really high. A slow night with few customers, no doubt due to the fact that Germany was playing one of their European Championships games. In any case, the naked ladies circling the central stairs were getting increasingly desperate as the hours went by.

Before the night was over I grabbed Mandy for no less than two more sessions with some resting in between, so in total three with one and the same girl.

To conclude, a great one-girl night with a somewhat shaky (sharky) beginning.

Has anyone seen Aileen or Aliv (not really sure of the name) from Hamburg (Tur / Ger) fitness body with enhanced tits, long black hair lately??

And Thai-girl Akira is she still around? Had a great time with these ladies in the past, highly recommended!

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1902714]Has anyone seen Aileen or Aliv (not really sure of the name) from Hamburg (Tur / Ger) fitness body with enhanced tits, long black hair lately??
And Thai-girl Akira is she still around? Had a great time with these ladies in the past, highly recommended![/QUOTE]Aileen and Akira are both around.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1902555]I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.[/QUOTE]I would strongly advise you not to try this if you ever want a good time in the club. Firstly, you should tell the girl that DFK is not extra. Extras are, as you say, anal and CIM or if you want something else. Domination, rimming (some girls will do it for extra). Kissing (LFK or DFK) is not extra and girls should not be trying to upsell it. Though I know they do. So why do I advise against you pulling this stunt? Because I can guarantee that even if you get away with it the girls will quickly discuss what you did and you will find trouble getting all but the most desperate girls to room with you. It is also very possible that the girl will go to reception, tell them that you offered to pay more for a lot of DFK, that they did it based on your promise, and that you won't now pay. I would not be surprised if you were asked to leave the club.

The old saying "two wrongs don't make a right" come to mind. The girl should not be asking for money for DFK, but pulling a stunt to punish her for doing so is probably worse. I know regulars are against tipping by tourists as it just raises expectations, but when I've come across girls who attempt to upsell DFK I tell them that I won't pay for it as it is meant to be included but I sometimes tip girls who are very good in the room including DFK. If asked how much the tip is I say that will depend on performance. It is surprising how many girls then make a lot more effort to provide a great session. Naturally then the tip should follow as promised. Whilst I agree that tipping in general is not to be encouraged, if you are with a particular stunner, want long time with her and want her to give 120% it's worth it sometimes. Sex with a stunning model like girl for 60 eruos for 30 minutes is very cheap.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1902555]I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1902730]Firstly, you should tell the girl that DFK is not extra ... Kissing (LFK or DFK) is not extra and girls should not be trying to upsell it ... but when I've come across girls who attempt to upsell DFK I tell them that I won't pay for it as it is meant to be included[/QUOTE]This just isn't the reality of Artemis post-raid as I experienced on a recent visit. There is no longer a standard club rate of EUR 60 (note that figure vanished from their website shortly after the raid) and no standard service. When I entered, reception told me all services / rates had to be negotiated with each girl, and this was certainly the way it worked out.

The girls have the right to offer whatever services they like at whatever rate they choose. We have the right to accept / refuse / negotiate, but you can't demand anything "should be" or is "meant to be" provided at a certain rate. Most seemed to be sticking with EUR 60 for BBBJ and sex, but that's simply their choice. So, I recommend doing all your negotiating in the lounge before you head off to a room and the clock starts running.

As for accepting DFK as a service at Artemis, it's very much YMMV in terms of quality, and my advice would be to decline, as it most often ends up as LFK at best and a very token effort at worst.

I do not see the rates on webpages for most clubs. Doesn't mean the standard rate isn't what it has been in the past. There are clubs I attend that the rate has not changed and still standard. Pretty much all clubs are, dunno about Artemis. There are clubs with rates on the wepage and a price list at the club. Still pretty straight forward. I ask the regulars when I'm not familar with pricing.

In any negotiations, we negotiate a set of services at a defined price.

The problem is often, and in any place in the world, prostitutes don't fulfill the negotiated service because money is paid in advance.

Therefore, when customers go in a closed place as a club / brothel, they pay all money in advance, there is not a list of standard services and customers have no way to dispute the service, then this means doubles that club / brothel promotes frauds and scams!

The rate and service remained more or less the same after the raid, I was there last month 7 days and it was as it was.

Of course some DFK some do not, it is up to us who we choose to go with, all clubs are like this beside Globe Zurich.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1902766]This just isn't the reality of Artemis post-raid as I experienced on a recent visit. There is no longer a standard club rate of EUR 60 (note that figure vanished from their website shortly after the raid) and no standard service. When I entered, reception told me all services / rates had to be negotiated with each girl, and this was certainly the way it worked out.

The girls have the right to offer whatever services they like at whatever rate they choose. We have the right to accept / refuse / negotiate, but you can't demand anything "should be" or is "meant to be" provided at a certain rate. [/QUOTE]This is really interesting and could have benefits as well as downsides. I'm there in a couple of weeks time and this new "everything is negotiable" policy will suit me fine as I don't like short room times and for me to be able to say I'll do 30 minutes for 60, or 60 minutes for 100 or 90 minutes for 140 is a benefit. Even if I do the usual 60 for 30 minutes to see if the girl / chemistry is working, it is still a really good bargaining position to be in instead of the fixed price policy in every other FKK club. In the past if I'd offered less for long time I would have been laughed at. Now I can say it's all negotiable and if the girl wants to say no that is up to her. In days gone by if girls did negotiate others would complain if they found out as it was considered unfair. Should be fun and add a bit of spice to the lounge discussions.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1903238]This is really interesting and could have benefits as well as downsides. I'm there in a couple of weeks time and this new "everything is negotiable" policy will suit me fine as I don't like short room times and for me to be able to say I'll do 30 minutes for 60, or 60 minutes for 100 or 90 minutes for 140 is a benefit. Even if I do the usual 60 for 30 minutes to see if the girl / chemistry is working, it is still a really good bargaining position to be in instead of the fixed price policy in every other FKK club. In the past if I'd offered less for long time I would have been laughed at. Now I can say it's all negotiable and if the girl wants to say no that is up to her. In days gone by if girls did negotiate others would complain if they found out as it was considered unfair. Should be fun and add a bit of spice to the lounge discussions.[/QUOTE]Hey PayForIt.

You should try and negotiate a pay per minute service. If a girl cheats you out or wants to finish early, just say you were only in here for 25 minutes so 50 Euros. The Anal pay per minute rate would be higher, of course. For a long session, the girl will make 220 Euros per hour, same as before, but if she tries to cheat you, then pay her 3. 67 Euros per minute up to a maximum of 220 Euros. Fair is fair. LOL.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1903212]The rate and service remained more or less the same after the raid, I was there last month 7 days and it was as it was.

Of course some DFK some do not, it is up to us who we choose to go with, all clubs are like this beside Globe Zurich.[/QUOTE]I agree. On all my pre-raid visits I encountered girls who ignored the EUR 60 for 30 mins and pitched their own price package, so it isn't a huge change for us.

It's always been and still remains a case of spying one you like, and then finding out how she operates.

I would rather not have to negotiate. I just find it a hassle in what should be a simple pleasure.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1902766]This just isn't the reality of Artemis post-raid as I experienced on a recent visit. There is no longer a standard club rate of EUR 60 (note that figure vanished from their website shortly after the raid) and no standard service. When I entered, reception told me all services / rates had to be negotiated with each girl, and this was certainly the way it worked out.

The girls have the right to offer whatever services they like at whatever rate they choose. We have the right to accept / refuse / negotiate, but you can't demand anything "should be" or is "meant to be" provided at a certain rate. Most seemed to be sticking with EUR 60 for BBBJ and sex, but that's simply their choice. So, I recommend doing all your negotiating in the lounge before you head off to a room and the clock starts running.

As for accepting DFK as a service at Artemis, it's very much YMMV in terms of quality, and my advice would be to decline, as it most often ends up as LFK at best and a very token effort at worst.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I'll make sure to do all the negotiations before I go to the room. It's what I usually do. About the price being taken down off the website after the raid. It's probably because of the laws stating you can't set prices and the girls are independent contractors who can charge what they want, even though there is discussion about what will be charged beforehand.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1903238]This is really interesting and could have benefits as well as downsides. I'm there in a couple of weeks time and this new "everything is negotiable" policy will suit me fine as I don't like short room times and for me to be able to say I'll do 30 minutes for 60, or 60 minutes for 100 or 90 minutes for 140 is a benefit. Even if I do the usual 60 for 30 minutes to see if the girl / chemistry is working, it is still a really good bargaining position to be in instead of the fixed price policy in every other FKK club. In the past if I'd offered less for long time I would have been laughed at. Now I can say it's all negotiable and if the girl wants to say no that is up to her. In days gone by if girls did negotiate others would complain if they found out as it was considered unfair. Should be fun and add a bit of spice to the lounge discussions.[/QUOTE]The only problem with your so called open market is that in a short period of time, girls rate will start to inflate to market value ( 60 Euro for 30 min), soon it will be 100 Euro for 30 min then in 6 months it will be 110 Euro for 30 min, etc, etc. You see this in the brothels in Nevada where fat, ugly older aged women start their services at $300-$400, some more and a few are less. It's my opinion that the market rate at $60/30 min is under the market value, it has to be. I've been going to Artemis and FKK's for 10+ years and the prices haven't ever changed or gone up!

NOW I'm all in favor of an open market, I'm a capitalist here in the USA, but I do like the system in Germany with fixed prices for FS, keep the socialist sex trade in Germany the way it is and I'm good to fly over there 2-3 times a year.

The girls at artemis have a loose agreement among themselves to stick to the old prices. Lets hope it last. I am sure they have to see it as keeping up the reputation of their club as well.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1903423]The girls at artemis have a loose agreement among themselves to stick to the old prices. Lets hope it last. I am sure they have to see it as keeping up the reputation of their club as well.[/QUOTE]I mean they are already charging 10 euro extras per 30 min than any other clubs in Germany.

Either way, we can just go to other clubs if they begin to change something drastically like price they already are charging more than other clubs.

Current prices are good enough and I hope girls have enough brain to realize that they already are charging more than other clubs and offering same or worst service and LU are same or worst than other clubs in Germany.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1903466]I mean they are already charging 10 euro extras per 30 min than any other clubs in Germany.

Either way, we can just go to other clubs if they begin to change something drastically like price they already are charging more than other clubs.

Current prices are good enough and I hope girls have enough brain to realize that they already are charging more than other clubs and offering same or worst service and LU are same or worst than other clubs in Germany.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. I do understand the risk of inflation set out by BackpackBrian. But I think it is unlikely to happen. Whilst Artemis has a monopoly in Berlin (ergo risk of inflation due to closed market) the girls know that a high percentage of the clientele are foreign tourists who will simply fly to other destinations all over Germany to engage their needs. The Club would only be attractive then to locals, and given the weakness of the LU, the recent raid and the high entry cost (80 being the highest I've paid in any German FKK) increasing the prices to $300-400 would just kill the club off. The girls are not stupid. They know what the market will stand. The fixed pricing is of course not possible to enforce post raid as it was one of the reasons given for the raid in the first place. That the girls are no more than employees and not independent if they are restricted on price and services. So the notion of sticking with the fixed rate is not viable. Albeit that the girls may, amongst themselves, agree it. I actually wonder if there may be a greater risk of this going the other way. And for the less attractive girls to now feel free to offer much cheaper sessions. That would be entirely fair of course. That the price reflects demand. The prettiest sexiest girls being able to charge higher than 60/30 as they can get it and the less glamorous ladies having to offer discounts to attract trade. Now that really would be an open market!

Different price for different girls are not the way. Not in europe at least as our mentality is of socialism. Besides it could lead to too many other variations like Dutedarc described in another thread here. If they start with that, then I'm off. The top Artemis girls are real top notch. Top 5 or so. But I hardly ever see all of them at the same time. And options are fading and ageing.

It was better last year with Jayda from Stuttgart and a few others, but have anyone seen her lately?

[QUOTE=DrJekyll;1902692]Artemis again after staying away for half a year. It was a Tuesday night, I arrived at about seven and the choice of girls was underwhelming. Just as last time I couldn't find any of my favorites.[/QUOTE]One more thing, about those absent favourites. Even though I actually did manage to find one of them later that night (see my report below), there were a couple of girls that I had really hoped to meet: Does anybody know if Romanian Antonia (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) and / or Spanish Alessandra (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) are still working at Artemis? I hope so, I really miss them, especially Antonia. Any intel on them would be much appreciated!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1903644]I completely agree. I do understand the risk of inflation set out by BackpackBrian. But I think it is unlikely to happen. Whilst Artemis has a monopoly in Berlin (ergo risk of inflation due to closed market) the girls know that a high percentage of the clientele are foreign tourists who will simply fly to other destinations all over Germany to engage their needs. The Club would only be attractive then to locals, and given the weakness of the LU, the recent raid and the high entry cost (80 being the highest I've paid in any German FKK) increasing the prices to $300-400 would just kill the club off. The girls are not stupid. They know what the market will stand. The fixed pricing is of course not possible to enforce post raid as it was one of the reasons given for the raid in the first place. That the girls are no more than employees and not independent if they are restricted on price and services. So the notion of sticking with the fixed rate is not viable. Albeit that the girls may, amongst themselves, agree it. I actually wonder if there may be a greater risk of this going the other way. And for the less attractive girls to now feel free to offer much cheaper sessions. That would be entirely fair of course. That the price reflects demand. The prettiest sexiest girls being able to charge higher than 60/30 as they can get it and the less glamorous ladies having to offer discounts to attract trade. Now that really would be an open market![/QUOTE]I mean if girls begin to abuse this already premium entrance price and also premium 10 euro plus fee per 30 min session comparison to other FKK and begin up sell more and provide bogus service even you agree to up sell price, then they will lose big chunk of business as we simply go to other FKK in Germany where there are few FKK within close range of the city.

Also up sell is annoying and even they charge more to provide empty promise to the money they charge, then pro mongers will just go to Globe Zurich where the service is guaranteed by the club for charging higher price than FKK in Germany, this is very Switzerland, you pay more, but service is guaranteed. In German FKK, up sell by girls often end up in bogus empty promise.

I have bought up sell before and I had best experience sometimes, so if girls can guarantee they will deliver I do not mind mild upsell, but this is where difficulty begin to kicks in.

In the end, it is human related service business so we just got to know what we are doing and also we just got to be lucky.

Artemis just need to freshen up LU with more younger girls. Up sell at Artemis is not that bad though.

What I hear from other mongers is that, well, it won't happen, it won't go up that high ( 100/30 min) or if it does Artemis mongers will just go to other clubs! What I think is easily overlooked is with an open market price creep starts relatively slowly, similar to raising taxes (ex. Lets just raise the taxes a little bit! So next month we might have only a 5-10 Euro increase for 30 min. And then in 1 year it will be another 5-10 Euro. And if you think it will only be at Artemis you are surely wrong. It will happen at all FKK's. Once the word gets out, which would be within hours, all clubs will increase their prices. All clubs already coordinate how much to charge, that's why all clubs cost approximately $50, with Artemis being the exception, charging 60. Before you take your next trip in two years you be looking at a standard 115 Euro /30 session standard cost. Maybe I'm venting here for nothing! Just want to make sure the prices stay at the point where I can keep doing this for a very long time and not spend a small fortune doing it.

I have read the second post and I can't continue reading.

I wonder the reason men forgot sex market and sex service were and are paid on a time unit. Within a time unit, customers can ask everything, and I mean everything, to a prostitute. If a prostitute can't or doesn't fulfill the ordered service, then she returns the money as soon as possible. I say, prostitutes in the past USSR were usually paid at the end of the service, when customers were happy of her service, and this rule was a warranty of satisfaction and professionalism. I say, I had some experiences of this kind. And I know men who are getting this kind of service by Slavic prostitutes in Western countries. Therefore, it is still possible to get an incredible service at a honest price even nowadays!

Instead, when prostitutes talk about the time and irrespective of customers' satisfaction, then this means just one result: a scam! It is not necessary any experience to understand this behavior, since this rule is common in any kind of business in any kind of place in the world!

Moreover, if you still think prostitutes are the weakest link in the sex market, then you shouldn't pretend to ignore prostitutes buy any kind of narcotics and they re-sell them to their customers, and they search and promote new girls to transform in prostitutes. At the end, women exploit other women and they make them drug addicted!

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;1903246]Hey PayForIt.

You should try and negotiate a pay per minute service. If a girl cheats you out or wants to finish early, just say you were only in here for 25 minutes so 50 Euros. The Anal pay per minute rate would be higher, of course. For a long session, the girl will make 220 Euros per hour, same as before, but if she tries to cheat you, then pay her 3. 67 Euros per minute up to a maximum of 220 Euros. Fair is fair. LOL.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrJekyll;1903699]Does anybody know if Romanian Antonia (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) and / or Spanish Alessandra (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) are still working at Artemis?[/QUOTE]After a longer period of absence, Antonia returned in early summer.

Backpackbrain: hardly. The prices won't get that high. The German market is so saturated above and below this price range that rising prices are very difficult. Don't forget that you don't just only have other FKKs to think about, but all other sorts of competitions too. Like red light districts 25 e a session, AO clubs, strip clubs etc etc. And then there is the abroad competition. Now 60 e I can probably see it rise to in western Germany, but there there are so many clubs, and smaller FKK's too, so you have a hard drag downwards. The smaller FKK's not being mentioned here are sometimes much preferred among the local Germans. Just heard from one guy that he normally prefers Feigenblatt to any of the larger Hessen clubs and its cheaper. The larger FKK's are much more tourist destinations, and the market is global. Nobody would go to Germany if the price of a session was 80e+ for 30 minutes. At least I wouldnt.

Unemployment is high in europe, and globally unemployment is rising. What do you think will happen to the sheer number of prostitutes in 10 years globally? I can even see prices in Asia falling drastically again after the recent years ludicrous price hikes in some markets over there. And china could always open more up to prostitution too in a political decission change...

Or consider the sharing economy moving onto prostitution like this on a more global scale:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/12/china-people-for-rent-startup-app-prostitution-social-networking-sex/

Most mongers I know that goes to Asia nowadays only use social networking. Even facebook is used to for hookups there at some locations. Wechat though makes whole china into a brothel now prostitution is more widely accepted in Asia than in the west, but there is a shift in the west towards accepting more and more prostitution also. In a generation I think we will be more like Asia. But it depends on the jobs market too perhaps. And religion. Islam could pose a threat. Like Christianity does in some countries like Italy, USA and Philippines but with the way the world is heading, politicians probably have to make a decision. More [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] like in India or some Muslim countries on the streets, or making prostitution legal. The economy and the introvert society does that.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1904244]Unemployment is high in europe, and globally unemployment is rising. What do you think will happen to the sheer number of prostitutes in 10 years globally? I can even see prices in asia falling drastically again after the recent years ludicrous price hikes in some markets over there. And china could allways open more up to prostitution too in a political decission change.

Or consider the sharing economy moving onto prostitution like this on a more global scale[/QUOTE]I love this economy crisis, for me the worst economy get, better my mongering experience, so it serve me just fine.

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1904154]Within a time unit, customers can ask everything, and I mean everything, to a prostitute. If a prostitute can't or doesn't fulfill the ordered service, then she returns the money as soon as possible. [/QUOTE]Keep on dreaming.

HB.

Hmm being a capitalist sometimes when it suits. It's a bit like being half pregnant, LOL. Ain't no such thing, either you are a free market guy, or you are not.

My sense is, when it comes to FKKs, most guys here are not pro free market.

Although, laissez faire capitalism simply implies free of government regulation. So, you can argue the club has the freedom to set their rules and girls and customers can take it or leave it. This is not a government imposed pricing. Of course, if the girls (and punters) don't agree, they can always go private where everything can be negotiated one on one.

But I agree with others that pricing at this time has little risk of going up, in this deflationary world we are living in at the moment. I again think some girls looked depressed due to lack of business, and if it was possible, they might give 35/40 min for the 50 euro at the hessen clubs (perhaps they already do this at Artemis, given the new pricing models) - why not? They are better off making some money, as opposed to sitting on their butt, or doing endless trips up and down the stairs with not much to show for the walking.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1903256]

NOW I'm all in favor of an open market, I'm a capitalist here in the USA, but I do like the system in Germany with fixed prices for FS, keep the socialist sex trade in Germany the way it is and I'm good to fly over there 2-3 times a year.[/QUOTE]

Free market hardly exist anywhere. Free market was and always will be a rhetorical lie imposed by capitalists. Free market means perfect competition, and that always brings margins down towards zero. So free market is never existent in 99.99% of the cases. Google Adwords is the closest thing we have to a free market except for the fact that they actually do have a minimum price at 20 cent, sex advertisements being illegal and all sorts of algorithms being involved. But only between the actual advertisers it appears as a free market. In reality its fascist. Then Google on the other side has monopoly. Just like a communistic state.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1904548]Free market hardly exist anywhere. Free market was and allways will be a rethorical lie imposed by capitalists. Free market means perfect competition, and that allways brings margins down towards zero. So free market is never existant in 99.99% of the cases. Google Adwords is the closest thing we have to a free market except for the fact that they actually do have a minimum price at 20 cent, sex adverticements being illegal and all sorts of algorithms being involved. But only between the actual advertisers it appears as a free market. In reality its facist. Then Google on the other side has monopoly. Just like a communistic state...[/QUOTE]Well it is google that made me find out about FKK, so I got no problem with their monopoly LOL.

Up sell in Artemis is not that bad, those who like up sell, then go to Palace because that is where the war zone is for up sell LOL.

7 times I went to Artemis after June, I never faced up sell.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1902555]I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with girls who try and up sell on DFK'ing, telling you it's $50 extra. You then agree, then after you finish and get her money you only hand her $50? I'm sure she will scream and yell. What happens if you just explain to her that she didn't provide any services that cost extra (ex. CIM, anal, etc.) and you thought DFK was included? Has anyone tried this tactic on the WG's? Does it work? Will you get kicked out of the club, beat up by her pimp, etc.[/QUOTE]This tactic is dishonest and inappropriate. The solution is quite simple. You pay for what you agree to pay and you don't agree to anything that you aren't willing to pay for.

If she says that she will DFK you for an extra 50 and you agree, then you pay. If she says nothing and you DFK, and she later demands extra, then you pay nothing. If she refuses to DFK, this is her right and of course, you don't pay extra for DFK that you did not receive in this case.

Me, I never pay for DFK. A girl simply provides DFK or does not. If she provides me with DFK however, I am more likely to extend and / or repeat with her. So, in this way, my girls are incentivized to DFK (though not all may make this connection).

The standard club prices are simply the prices one pays when no other verbal agreement has been reached.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1903466]I mean they are already charging 10 euro extras per 30 min than any other clubs in Germany.

Either way, we can just go to other clubs if they begin to change something drastically like price they already are charging more than other clubs.

Current prices are good enough and I hope girls have enough brain to realize that they already are charging more than other clubs and offering same or worst service and LU are same or worst than other clubs in Germany.[/QUOTE]Too late. They're permabanned. Lots of options among the privats in Berlin.

I went to Artemis tonight, and honestly the upsell felt less than when I was there last year. I had a 1 HR session with a russian girl I had sessioned with previously, and while she did let me know the first 30 mins was almost up (it was, I had already checked my watch), there was no pressure from here. I extended (already planned too) and it was a great time. No upsell for DFK or DATY, just the usual information about extra charges for CIM, COB, anal, etc. No pressure for any of them, just laying out the menu.

My other 2 sessions were pretty SOP, but still no hard upsell. One girl simply stated she didn't DFK (not for extra $$, just didn't do it) and that was it. Not my favorite german club, but when in Berlin I guess!

[QUOTE=Action22;1904674]Too late. They're permabanned. Lots of options among the privats in Berlin.[/QUOTE]Beside the LU of Artemis being way too old, fat and silicone for 60 to 70 % of girls, I am quite fine with the Artemis as up sell is mild and not too common at least with my experience.

What I meant is that if Artemis service / upsell get too much, fly in mongers can go to other FKK in other cities in Germany.

Girls at Artemis are not stupid as they look, so they are doing quite OK to have some kind of order for pricing still.

It is just line up at Artemis are really, it is getting too much how many of old fat girls hang onto bed of Artemis, it is time for them to move on to brothel and not FKK Artemis, they have been there for years and now they are fat and old.

Spent another night at Artemis. The fat and old contingent wasn't too bad either night. Friday was worse than Thursday with at least 3 completely unfuckable girls due to their girth, but there were many gems to be found. I'm terrible at names so won't even try, but I had 3 sessions, all good.

First. Brunette german girl who lives in Hamburg but works at Artemis every other week. Late 20's with very nice see cup enhanced breasts. I'm generally not a fan of fakes, but hers were a pair of the best I've felt and seen. Very nice 1 HR session.

Second. Spinner Ro with shoulder length brown hair and a super tight pussy. Was going to start in the cinema with a blowjob and then move to the room, but while she was fetching her bag another punter sat down on the same couch as me. I'm an exhibitionist to a point, but with a directly adjacent onlooker we moved to the room. Good 1/2 session with BBBJ and sex was great.

Third. Blonde german. Says she worked there previously for 2 years (quit 2. 5 years ago) and it was her first night back. Again with enhanced dee breasts that were not as nice as the first german girl's. But she was very pleasant to talk to and we had very good chemistry in the room. 1 HR session that was incredible. I was sure I wasn't going to be able to pop as it was last session and I've been mongering for the past 5 nights, but everything clicked perfectly. Great long BBBJ, 69, and then very passionate sex. As good of a GFE experience as I've had at an FKK.

There were at least 3-4 very attractive fit young ladies that I would put in the 8+ or 9 category, a load of 7-8's, smaller number of 5-6's, and then the dregs aforementioned. Didn't have an inch of upsell in any of the 3 sessions. First session I chose 1 HR upfront, second was no negotiation and finished under 30 mins with no upsell, and final session I wasn't watching the clock but we finished just before the hour was up. We even chatted in the room after which put us over the hour I'm sure, but no upsell or asking for more $.

Artemis isn't my favorite club, but despite the bad rap and definitely more 'touristy' environ than the big Hessen clubs, I had 2 very enjoyable nights.

Off to Frankfurt for 2 nights!

You basically pussied out because you had a watcher in the Artemis cinema? Don't be so introvert dude. Me and a few other guys once did an orgy (1 girl each, but simultaneously) in the Palace cinema with about 5-10 watchers. Just screw norms and do your thing. I'm sure you can think of some setting that could turn you on? Like the watcher being the idiot at school you fought with for this girl, or him being the husband of the woman while you get to fuck her. Or they only being wankers, while you fuck the prom queen. There are many options. Pick yours.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1905229]Spent another night at Artemis. The fat and old contingent wasn't too bad either night. Friday was worse than Thursday with at least 3 completely unfuckable girls due to their girth, but there were many gems to be found. I'm terrible at names so won't even try, but I had 3 sessions, all good.

First. Brunette german girl who lives in Hamburg but works at Artemis every other week. Late 20's with very nice see cup enhanced breasts. I'm generally not a fan of fakes, but hers were a pair of the best I've felt and seen. Very nice 1 HR session.

Second. Spinner Ro with shoulder length brown hair and a super tight pussy. Was going to start in the cinema with a blowjob and then move to the room, but while she was fetching her bag another punter sat down on the same couch as me. I'm an exhibitionist to a point, but with a directly adjacent onlooker we moved to the room. Good 1/2 session with BBBJ and sex was great.[/QUOTE]The third German girl you went with, was she from Berlin? And her name was Kimmi or Michele?

Yep, pussed out. Need to build to that level of exhibitionism. Have openly had sex in cinema before with onlookers, but not with a guy literally sitting next to me. Different strokes for different folks.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1905438]Yep, pussed out. Need to build to that level of exhibitionism. Have openly had sex in cinema before with onlookers, but not with a guy literally sitting next to me. Different strokes for different folks.[/QUOTE]If he was sitting that close, why not ask him to move a little?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1905406]The third German girl you went with, was she from Berlin? And her name was Kimmi or Michele?[/QUOTE]She was definitely from Berlin, but I have no idea what her name was. Like I said, I'm terrible with names unless I really work on it. Kimmie sounds somewhat right, but can't confirm. She has very fair skin and perfect very white teeth and brownish eyes. Excellent DFK as well; very passionate and intense.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1905680]If he was sitting that close, why not ask him to move a little?[/QUOTE]It was easier to just go to the room; not a biggie really. If my fantasy that night was to get blown / fuck in the cinema I would have.

I've fucked many times in the cinema at sharks and gt with other punters around, just wasn't feeling it last night.

at sharks tonight and lu seems weak for a sat....

Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here [URL]http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls[/URL].

Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.

Very good post. Just an addendum: what people can't do in Christian Italy, instead it is possible in Muslim Dubai.

But I always wonder the reason women don't use the marriage as a financing tool. Most women in Western countries do that and men must subjugate to their wills, otherwise husbands lose house and children. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to work as a prostitute if it is easier to find a good boy who pays everything to his girl.

And it doesn't make sense to attend prostitutes if a boy gets married a honest and open-minded girl.

Maybe billions and billions people were wrong to have children with the wrong person? Maybe the relationship between a prostitute and a customer is more balanced than a relationship between a wife and a husband?

I had to modify the quoted message in order to publish my post.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1904244]Backpackbrain: hardly. The prices won't get that high. . . . The economy and the introvert society does that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrJekyll;1903699]One more thing, about those absent favourites. Even though I actually did manage to find one of them later that night (see my report below), there were a couple of girls that I had really hoped to meet: Does anybody know if Romanian Antonia (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) and / or Spanish Alessandra (petite friendly girl, natural tits and wonderful ass) are still working at Artemis? I hope so, I really miss them, especially Antonia. Any intel on them would be much appreciated![/QUOTE]I spent time with Antonia last week. She only works weekends now.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1905809]Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here [URL]http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls[/URL].

Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.[/QUOTE]It is kind of hard to tell with that photo of only body and no identical tattoo etc LOL.

AColonizer: I agree. Now the war between the sexes has to end and society has probably got to become much more liberal for the majority to think that far. But it makes sense.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1905809]Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here [URL]http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls[/URL].

Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.[/QUOTE]Saw that girl at Artemis on July 2nd 2011 at Artemis. At 5:22 pm she was gaming out at the bar, having a latte.

HB.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1905809]Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago.[/QUOTE]I would definitely have remembered her if she did. My vote: no.

Closest I can think of is Maya, 160 cm, beautiful face, blond, natural tits, lovely ass, no upsells, pink pussylips like strawberry ice-cream (tasted even better) Btw; FKK66 is close to Dickenhardtstrasse, funny detail.


God I miss her.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1906403]Saw that girl at Artemis on July 2nd 2011 at Artemis. At 5:22 pm she was gaming out at the bar, having a latte. HB.[/QUOTE]That's really funny. I was there, too: July 2nd 2011.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1906509]Closest I can think of is Maya, 160 cm, beautiful face, blond, natural tits, lovely ass, no upsells, pink pussylips like strawberry ice-cream (tasted even better)[/QUOTE]And, that's really funny, too: I've seen Polish Maya that night: July 2nd 2011.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1906679]That's really funny. I was there, too: July 2nd 2011.

And, that's really funny, too: I've seen Polish Maya that night: July 2nd 2011.[/QUOTE]I like all the responses. But I thought I would try and ask. I know the girl was Polish, she had fake tits with a vertical scar from a lift I believe. She also hung out with another Polish blond that I was told later left Artemis and went to Globe.

That's funny. I was there too. And I can remember to see Hessen Bub this day and also Maya.

So when are you lot going to throw a reunion party then? I am sure that if you announce it this Maya and others will also turn up. Because that's how it works right? Hehe.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1906928]I like all the responses. But I thought I would try and ask.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, it's the right place to ask. It's always worth a try.

I'm at Artemis these days and having some great sessions. Been to this place many times, but never in weekdays and this visit is among the best. I believe its about 2/3 girls these days, so Lots to choose from, its paradise. This makes business slow for some girls out of many tho, and you can feel their frustration when rejecting.

Annie from Bulgaria Brown hair to shoulders and German Georgina with a pigtail both petite girls with a very cute face, good sessions with CIM. Corina blond girl from Polen, 27 but looks younger again good session with CIM. Amy blond girl from Berlin, very Nice girl and good English, unfortunately I couldn't finish even tho she did make an effort. Georgina is hanging around with a girl with glasses and another with a Gun tattoo on her legs. Thinking of trying the gun girl tonight, hopefully she can make my small Gun shoot LOL.

And to those still wondering about the raid and future prices, its all same same. If Any want to heads up PM.

Had two visits earlier this week, on Monday it was very quiet when I arrived at 5 pm, hardly any guests and maybe 25 girls. There were not any of my favorit girls visible early on so I decided to try Virginia, she has been around for years but we have never hooked up before, I guess she is from Romania? I didn't ask. Anyway she is a tall blond girl with big boltons, we started out in the cinema downstairs with some LFK and a good BBBJ before heading to the rooms, nice session to start with. We didn't really connect so will probably not repeat, but very friendly girl I would say.

The food on this Monday was awful but better on Tuesday with barbecue outside, number of girls picked up after 7 pm to 50-70 and many old favorites such as Iris, Carrie, Sheenya, Akira, Aksena, Samantha, Kisha just to mention a few of them. These days there were not many new faces around this could be a problem in the long run for Artemis. Maybe is it because my face is well known at Artemis but I didn't have to fend of any girls at all these days and no attempt to up selling in the rooms either.

Next up Akira, Thai.

Super-cute thaigirl with silicones, totally GFE with lots of DFK, DATY and BBBJ stayed 1. 5 h with her. Highly recommended and would definitely repeat if possible. Had sessions with Iris and Samantha as well this night also highly recommended with lots of GFE.

On Tuesday I arrived as early 12:00 only a few girls present at this hour, but around 4 pm there must have been 40-50 so it picked up pretty fast. Left the place around 8 pm then it was 60-80 girls around. I only regret I didn't get to see Akira a second time and it would have been nice to spend some time with Sheenya and Carrie as well.

Had two sessions with Kisha (Bra / Ger) both highly energetic with lots of BBBJ and DATY, she has a killerbody with a perfect set of tits and a tight pussy. Highly recommended!

The other session was with Ruby (Rom) tall blond girl with nice enhanced tits, long blond hair, nice friendly personality. Recommended!

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1908133]The other session was with Ruby (Rom) tall blond girl with nice enhanced tits, long blond hair, nice friendly personality. Recommended![/QUOTE]Your Ruby sounds just like the "Ruby" I enjoyed at Bumsalp in Zurich. Only, she told me she was from the country of Moldova (versus Moldavia which is a part of Romania). Oh no, let's not have that debate again! Anyway, I checked the Bumsalp site, and it appears that Ruby is no longer there. And, I do know that the girls do flow between Germany and Switzerland. So, maybe it is her after all!

I think Virginia is from Hungary.

Does anyone know the name of the girl who looks just like Paris Hilton? I met her in April at the club. She was very beautiful, and really nice. I asked her if anyone has told her she looks like someone famous, and without hesitation she said,"Paris Hilton. " I'd love to see her again.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=GTBoy1976;1908365]Does anyone know the name of the girl who looks just like Paris Hilton? [/QUOTE]Yes, but she looks more like breanne benson (with blonde hair) than paris hilton. Its Timea from Moldova. Beautiful girl. Smart as well.

I have checked and rechecked the thread to see if this has been mentioned but it seems that nobody brought up latest developments in the case against Artemis owners.

Die Welt on their webpage (google article 156830636, Die Welt and Artemis) informs that accusation number 1 (trafficking and HA links) is falling apart. Which means that only tax evasion accusation remains. The article has been out since 5th of July but I haven't seen it before now and I don't see it being mentioned in this thread. Hence the update from me.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1912475]I have checked and rechecked the thread to see if this has been mentioned but it seems that nobody brought up latest developments in the case against Artemis owners.

Die Welt on their webpage (google article 156830636, Die Welt and Artemis) informs that accusation number 1 (trafficking and HA links) is falling apart. Which means that only tax evasion accusation remains. The article has been out since 5th of July but I haven't seen it before now and I don't see it being mentioned in this thread. Hence the update from me.[/QUOTE]It is good news, the owner is nice guy. He was still detained when I was in Artemis in June.

He need to be out soon and fix old line up of Artemis.

Artemis need more new young girls.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1905809]Can anyone tell me if this girl Ella, who is on the FKK66 website here [URL]http://www.fkk66.com/de/girls-details/?id=2670&active=1&period=&amid=girls[/URL].

Was working in Artemis 4-5 years ago. Fake tits, said she was from Poland, but maybe lied to me so not sure.[/QUOTE]Spectacular figure. Jesus! I've yet to dabble with the FKK scene but I think I need to visit one soon. Especially if girls have bodies like hers!

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1912475]I have checked and rechecked the thread to see if this has been mentioned but it seems that nobody brought up latest developments in the case against Artemis owners.[/QUOTE]Use google translator.

[URL]http://www.abendblatt-berlin.de/2016/07/19/beweise-reichen-nicht/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1902631]Why don't you try it yourself and then report to us about it afterwards. By the way, the price for half an hour in Artemis is 60 euro.[/QUOTE]Not bad for half an hour. What are the average prices the girls charge for extras?

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;1912607]Not bad for half an hour. What are the average prices the girls charge for extras?[/QUOTE]After the raid the prices are not 'guaranteed' by Artemis anymore. So a girl can ask what she wants. But generally the girls stick to the old prices. That is 60 for half an hour, 50 extra for CIM, 100 (or 50? For anal. Kissing used to be free of charge but not all girls would do that. Now girls charge up to 40 euro (or even more? For kissing. Best is to negotiate prices before going to a room.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1912567]Use google translator.[URL]http://www.abendblatt-berlin.de/2016/07/19/beweise-reichen-nicht/[/URL][/QUOTE]It seems the case of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] has come to an end.

A few sentences in the article:

The crown witness is referred to as a 21 year old girl 'fallen in love'.

The president of the organisation of Prostitutes don't believe that everything the crown witness said was untrue.

Furthermore the hints at a relation between Hells Angels and Artemis management cannot be assigned to the indictment. To the contrary, Artemis management has warned the authorities of the frequent visits of Hells Angels to the club.

The accusation of tax evasion still stands but the civil servant that dealt with Artemis taxes has not testified yet.

A bit more detail is in this article:

[URL]http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article156830636/Der-Fall-Artemis-droht-in-einem-Fiasko-zu-enden.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1913136]After the raid the prices are not 'guaranteed' by Artemis anymore. So a girl can ask what she wants. But generally the girls stick to the old prices. That is 60 for half an hour, 50 extra for CIM, 100 (or 50? For anal. Kissing used to be free of charge but not all girls would do that. Now girls charge up to 40 euro (or even more? For kissing. Best is to negotiate prices before going to a room.[/QUOTE]During last visit, I did not notice any upsell, if girls began upsell then we can just change the FKK we go to by changing our destination to Frankfurt or NRW FKK.

Artemis is already charging higher prices than other FKK, I do not see the reason for upsell.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1913350]During last visit, I did not notice any upsell[/QUOTE]Girls that have been mentioned here, like Keisha, Avril and Armina (gone) are major upsellers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1913350]then we can just change the FKK we go to by changing our destination to Frankfurt or NRW FKK.[/QUOTE]It's easy to spend 5 to 10 interesting days in Berlin, aside from Artemis. Frankfurt and Cologne might be OK for 2 days max. So visiting Berlin is so much more fun.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1913350]Artemis is already charging higher prices than other FKK, I do not see the reason for upsell.[/QUOTE]Artemis might be more expensive to you but it is also more expensive to the girls. Your cost is not the girl's major interest. Their expenses and income are. Artemis is good to them for the number of clients, not for their daily expenses. These might amount to 130 euro (80 for income, 20 for taxes and 30 euro if they need a bed on the top floor). So upselling doesn't look so unreasonable, but I hate it.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1913785]Girls that have been mentioned here, like Keisha, Avril and Armina (gone) are major upsellers.

It's easy to spend 5 to 10 interesting days in Berlin, aside from Artemis. Frankfurt and Cologne might be OK for 2 days max. So visiting Berlin is so much more fun.

Artemis might be more expensive to you but it is also more expensive to the girls. Your cost is not the girl's major interest. Their expenses and income are. Artemis is good to them for the number of clients, not for their daily expenses. These might amount to 130 euro (80 for income, 20 for taxes and 30 euro if they need a bed on the top floor). So upselling doesn't look so unreasonable, but I hate it.[/QUOTE]Well Frankfurt is not that bad and I am in town just for FKK, so if upsell get strong, then just change city man.

Plus Frankfurt has three major FKK all within 30 min range.

As for cologne I never been there, so I cannot say for FKK there, but am very interested to go and it is close to Frankfurt by train, 2 hours no?

Only problem I have with Artemis now is line up. Line up of Artemis are too old, fat and too much surgery. This old age LU has to be freshen up with new young girls.

Some of those old fat girls at Artemis has been there for years. It is time for them to move on to brothel where they are more suited to be not FKK.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1914056]

Only problem I have with Artemis now is line up. Line up of Artemis are too old, fat and too much surgery. This old age LU has to be freshen up with new young girls.

Some of those old fat girls at Artemis has been there for years. It is time for them to move on to brothel where they are more suited to be not FKK.[/QUOTE]They need to change the nasty culture of cash sucking machines.

This is my first time to a German FKK club. I'm a 33 year old English guy who speaks some German. I really didn't know what to expect for this place, it's my first time in an FKK club. In the end I stayed about 8 or 9 hours! The club really got going in the evening and was super busy. A complete mixture of people, 18/19 year old guys who looked a bit lost to business men, old men and guys in between like me. Overall I loved talking to the girls, but one problem here is the conversations don't last long because they are super keen to find their next fuck. I spoke to a black girl for 10 minutes and a Polish girl for 10 minutes but otherwise the other girls would talk only for a short while.

Here's a summary of the girls I took this evening. All of them were 30 minute sessions.

1. 5 pm Red Haired, Hungarian. Looks 25 yo. 160 cm. Petite. She's well known in Artemis. She tries hard to sell you extras, including anal. She is quite strong minded, asked me what I wanted if I wanted no extras. I just said blowjob and sex. She was pissed off. She was sucking me off and then we started having sex. She's complaining that I take no extras and tells me to fuck off. I told her to fuck off and we fucked harder. She hits me on the legs and I'm then slapping her and we're telling each other to fuck off and she's hitting me again. She's touching herself now and was nearing climaxing and had to stop herself (told me she had to save herself! She was super horny. I loved her attitude. If you can handle her she's amazing. She mostly ignored me the rest of the evening haha.

2. 8 pm Eastern European. Blond. Super thin. Super small tits. Super petite. Huge shoes! I was walking around the bar, it's maybe 7 pm and suddenly this girl is standing between the bar area and the pole dance area. I asked what she was standing there for (she's like in the middle of the room just standing there!) and she says she only just arrived. Well, I love petite girls like this and I was horny again so said let's go. I suggested we go outside because I wanted somewhere different to go and we find one of the outside rooms. She tries to sell me extras, and then finally offers 20 euros for 69 so I agree. This girl is a bit of a corpse, she lacks passion and it's all pretty mechanical. I don't think anything makes her horny, she doesn't seem to have much personality. I should have spoken to her before whisking her off for sex. Whatever, live isn't perfect. Anyway, while fucking this girl randomly shouts "Sky! I have no idea why. I was going to ask her but I didn't bother.

3. 10 pm German. Dark hair. Short. Breast implants, not thin. Super super super sexy young teenage face. Her date of birth is tattooed on her leg. 4th April 1995! I suggested we go to the cinema downstairs where I knew there would be some audience. She starts by sucking me off which I really enjoyed. There's a guy in the row behind and two girls approach him. I'm smiling at one of the girls while fucking my girl. I love this place so much for this. We then move to a room by the cinema (I didn't want to but this girl kept saying it would be better). It was better! She laid out on the bed and I was watching myself thrusting into her in the mirror in front of me. This girl's face is so pretty I was super happy. One downer, I was asking for lube and she gets some oil and uses that. This oil isn't lube and I didn't get the slide in her pussy. Next time I will make sure she has proper lube beforehand!

4. 1 am. Julia. 28 yo. Blonde. Hungarian. Petite. Beautiful be cup breasts. Body amazing. Julia has been working at Artemis for 4 years now and is a really nice girl. She has such a nice personality she was the nicest girl I met the whole evening. So, here's how I met her. It was 1 am and I was horny for another girl. No new girls were turning up anymore and there weren't any girls I was really into so I took a seat by the pole dance area and just waited there. After a while this girl walks around and then up to a guy on the sofa and sits in his lap for maybe ten minutes. She then leaves him and walks in a sexy way around the area and looks up at me. I love her super fit body so gesture her over. She's smiling and we chat for five minutes, she's caressing me and is clearly playful. This is the girl that saw me fucking in the downstairs cinema earlier in the evening. This time we go to the cinema by the pole dance area (I hadn't even noticed it was there! She's sucking me off and next we're fucking. There's a guy watching and I'm super happy about that. Then a few more people come to watch. We fuck in a few different positions but I'm losing energy now and I'm not cumming. She finishes me off with a super high energy hand job and I cum all over the fucking place. This girl is totally awesome. After I pay her she sits with me for 10 or 15 minutes and shares one of her cigarettes with me. I'll definitely come back for this girl next time. I tipped her extra for her hard work!

Total cost: 380.

Girls: 280.

Entry: 80.

Drinks: 20.

You are a fuck machine. How old are you? Do you use viagra?

[QUOTE=HunterCupid;1914252]This is my first time to a German FKK club. I'm a 33 year old English guy who speaks some German. I really didn't know what to expect for this place, it's my first time in an FKK club. In the end I stayed about 8 or 9 hours! The club really got going in the evening and was super busy. A complete mixture of people, 18/19 year old guys who looked a bit lost to business men, old men and guys in between like me. Overall I loved talking to the girls, but one problem here is the conversations don't last long because they are super keen to find their next fuck. I spoke to a black girl for 10 minutes and a Polish girl for 10 minutes but otherwise the other girls would talk only for a short while.

Here's a summary of the girls I took this evening. All of them were 30 minute sessions.

1. 5 pm Red Haired, Hungarian. Looks 25 yo. 160 cm. Petite. She's well known in Artemis. She tries hard to sell you extras, including anal. She is quite strong minded, asked me what I wanted if I wanted no extras. I just said blowjob and sex. She was pissed off. She was sucking me off and then we started having sex. She's complaining that I take no extras and tells me to fuck off. I told her to fuck off and we fucked harder. She hits me on the legs and I'm then slapping her and we're telling each other to fuck off and she's hitting me again. She's touching herself now and was nearing climaxing and had to stop herself (told me she had to save herself! She was super horny. I loved her attitude. If you can handle her she's amazing. She mostly ignored me the rest of the evening haha.

2. 8 pm Eastern European. Blond. Super thin. Super small tits. Super petite. Huge shoes! I was walking around the bar, it's maybe 7 pm and suddenly this girl is standing between the bar area and the pole dance area. I asked what she was standing there for (she's like in the middle of the room just standing there!) and she says she only just arrived. Well, I love petite girls like this and I was horny again so said let's go. I suggested we go outside because I wanted somewhere different to go and we find one of the outside rooms. She tries to sell me extras, and then finally offers 20 euros for 69 so I agree. This girl is a bit of a corpse, she lacks passion and it's all pretty mechanical. I don't think anything makes her horny, she doesn't seem to have much personality. I should have spoken to her before whisking her off for sex. Whatever, live isn't perfect. Anyway, while fucking this girl randomly shouts "Sky! I have no idea why. I was going to ask her but I didn't bother.

3. 10 pm German. Dark hair. Short. Breast implants, not thin. Super super super sexy young teenage face. Her date of birth is tattooed on her leg. 4th April 1995! I suggested we go to the cinema downstairs where I knew there would be some audience. She starts by sucking me off which I really enjoyed. There's a guy in the row behind and two girls approach him. I'm smiling at one of the girls while fucking my girl. I love this place so much for this. We then move to a room by the cinema (I didn't want to but this girl kept saying it would be better). It was better! She laid out on the bed and I was watching myself thrusting into her in the mirror in front of me. This girl's face is so pretty I was super happy. One downer, I was asking for lube and she gets some oil and uses that. This oil isn't lube and I didn't get the slide in her pussy. Next time I will make sure she has proper lube beforehand!

4. 1 am. Julia. 28 yo. Blonde. Hungarian. Petite. Beautiful be cup breasts. Body amazing. Julia has been working at Artemis for 4 years now and is a really nice girl. She has such a nice personality she was the nicest girl I met the whole evening. So, here's how I met her. It was 1 am and I was horny for another girl. No new girls were turning up anymore and there weren't any girls I was really into so I took a seat by the pole dance area and just waited there. After a while this girl walks around and then up to a guy on the sofa and sits in his lap for maybe ten minutes. She then leaves him and walks in a sexy way around the area and looks up at me. I love her super fit body so gesture her over. She's smiling and we chat for five minutes, she's caressing me and is clearly playful. This is the girl that saw me fucking in the downstairs cinema earlier in the evening. This time we go to the cinema by the pole dance area (I hadn't even noticed it was there! She's sucking me off and next we're fucking. There's a guy watching and I'm super happy about that. Then a few more people come to watch. We fuck in a few different positions but I'm losing energy now and I'm not cumming. She finishes me off with a super high energy hand job and I cum all over the fucking place. This girl is totally awesome. After I pay her she sits with me for 10 or 15 minutes and shares one of her cigarettes with me. I'll definitely come back for this girl next time. I tipped her extra for her hard work!

Total cost: 380.

Girls: 280.

Entry: 80.

Drinks: 20.[/QUOTE].

Attempt number two, since first time I got an error.

My vacation started last week and I decided to spend two days in Artemis before going to southern shores. The idea was to try out some new girls. Unfortunately (but totally expected) there was not much new talent to see and I have pretty much tested out all the girls I desire.

A little side note:

The place had plenty of tourists from Scandinavian countries. I met some swedes (a nation that frequents Artemis very often) and they pointed out some 18-19 year old Norwegian boys that were circled by local shark life. The reason Scandinavians are making pilgrimage to places like Artemis is because Norway and Sweden eradicated the problem of prostitution by criminalizing buyers. By eradication I mean that middle class prostitution (FKK / Brothels and escort services through escort agencies) is more or less eradicated. Street hookers are of course available and high class prostitution also. So basically unless you are rich and connected and / or don't want to buy services from junkies, criminal organisations or shady pimps the only viable option is visiting central Europe. That is why you will always find Norwegians and Swedes in FKKs catering to tourists. For students of history attempts of regulating sex life of the ordinary people and the (unintended) effects of those attempts are predictable, but I leave to the readers to form their own judgement.

On Monday I hooked up with a regular punter from Norway that is fortunate to work in Berlin and is a frequent visitor. The benefit of hooking up with regulars is that you avoid wasting energy on optik fucks that under preform which in this case meant that I was steered away from some of the eastern European crew.

Back to my experimentation. I tried out only three new girls where one was showing a strong potential while the others were something for those with more patience than I do. I also limited myself to 30 minute sessions. If a girl performs well under 30 minute she will perform well in longer sessions too. Plus you weed out those that only give good service under extended sessions. I did also fall back on some safe regulars of mine but since I reviewed them before I will not rehash old reviews.

Kiara (Spelling? I don't know, I did not ask):

Darker skinned girl with dark hair, 155 - 160 cm high. 21/22 years old. German decent (claimed. Not that I care), Hamburg. Worked for two years in Artemis. Tattoos on her body, some sort of flower arrangement covering her leg and side of her body. One gun (there is entire group of girls on artemis having similar tattoos) tattoo on her other leg. Revolver type of pistol for those that are interested is such details. Some lip injections. This will not be a "Dear Playboy" type of description. Performance was very good in the room and she seemed like sweet girl both before, during and after the session. Lots of eye contact during the sex. She has strong grip (Abd rather large biceps for girl that size) so I suspect she is spending some time in the gym. The body was TIGHT (in all the departments that can be entered). I attempted to repeat sessions during the day but she was booked whenever I was free.

I suspect this is the same girl HunterCupid enjoyed in the Kino based on his descriptions of one tattoo.

Repeat: Yeah, I will.

Sidney (German, blonde hair, 150 - 155 cm height, petite body):

She works only couple of days in week in Artemis and I swear I have seen her (or her twin sister) somewhere else during my stays in Berlin (she confirms that she is living in Berlin). She has young look and petite body. She has been working in Artemis at least since 2013 since I think I saw her couple of times before, without implants she has these days (large handball sized implants on a rather petite frame). The performance? Mechanical to the bone. I can't complain of the service received but there is more passion in a frozen chicken. Basically she wanted to process you as fast as possible. Now and then there was a glimmer of personality there. Maybe she is less stressed in extended sessions but I don't care to find this out.

Repeat? No. I suspect that Sidney is rather smart girl with some personality under her rather mechanical performance but I don't have patience to tease it out. There are tons of extrovert, great performers in Artemis already. Why should I waste my time and money to "melt" Sidney's defenses?

Jessie.

I frankly don't remember anything of this session. Even if it was only couple of days ago. We simply did not click together and there was no chemistry between us. I have nothing, neither good or bad to say about her. Will not repeat but will point out as always that YMMV and that she may very well bring much joy to some other punter.

Potential girls for further experimentation (based on observation and customer feedback): Nora + one Romanian girl with large implants and tight body that have gun tattooed on her leg (here I have contradictory info so jury is out her). If some of you fine gentlemen have pointers and advice here, please share.

In other news:

No upsell attempts or price changes detected. But at this point I suspect that most sharks know who I am while my "regular girls" don't want to risk ruining their euro source.

That being said I saw a girl overcharging a guy for one hour despite them being in room only for 30 min (Reason I know? They went upstairs as I was waiting for Kaira to get her stuff. They were in front of lockers when we went down again and I know that I was in room with Kaira for 28 minutes). Use that watch. Norwegain regular I mentioned above used following trick. He put on 5 euro non-working watch whenever he went upstairs with the girl and making a point of looking at it before session starts (despite it being dead he noticed that they rarely pulled the trick of trying to overcharge him after he started using it).

New bar girl and bar boy have been hired. Bar girl looks cute when she wants. But we are not allowed to take her to the room.

Simai wrapped up her carrier as working girl and is going back to normal job. She will not be back to Artemis after summer.

Jenna still not back in business. Some girls are saying that she is doing another breast operation. If it is enlargement. Sweet mother of silicone. Time and space continuum will be broken if this is true.

After 1,5 years I finally came across the opportunity to visit Artemis again (of course last time I'd reported my visit).

I arrived at 14:30 on Tuesday as I wanted to check BBQ day. Fortunately about 15 o'clock the sun showed up and I could rest a bit after the journey in the outside area to prepare for hunting.

I was a bit worried about the prices because the aren't guaranteed anymore. But fortunately every girl I took for a session had standard pricing options.

First thing that I noticed, is that the girls are much less sharky now. Last time it was really difficult to pass lounge area not being caught in a very sharky way. This time I was able to wander around so I could easily observe my potential targets. So I did a lot (to a point it could look a bit strange maybe). Of course girls were trying to catch my attention but after my refusal they usually didn't insisted. So I quickly got relaxed and self-confident.

So let's get to business:

1. Kiki. Quite interesting African girl with mid-sized silicone and slim figure. Crew cut blonde dyed hair. She said she's from Camerun. She caught my attention because I'd never been with African girl before and her face seemed quite beautiful. So we agreed a standard 60 Eu session. She had no problem with DATY which I like a lot so I started licking her pussy. She got really wet and she reacted in a passionate way (maybe some acting but the effect was really nice). After that BJ was quite proper (she obeyed my suggestions) and at the end we got short Cowgirl session and I came rather quickly (my first session usually is short). The look 7/10. Attitude 8/10. No upsell. I surely recommend.

2. Sunny. As I love huge silicone she got my attention quickly. Quite pretty, tanned skin, large butt. She said she's half German, half Moroccan. She also agreed for standard 60 Eu session. Unfortunately DATY is 50 Eu and it was a bit disappointing but I couldn't resist those huge balloons so we got to the upper cinema and performed standard suck and fuck procedure. Everything was rather mechanical but girl was quite nice and friendly. No upsell during session. The look: 7/10, Attitude 6/10.

3. Elena. I started to watch her carefully because I like small, dark haired voluptuous dolls. She has huge natural (a bit saggy) tits and innocent and beautiful face. She said she's Romanian and she has also standard price list. Got to the room, nice DATY at the beginning (but not as passionate as Kiki. She reacted more mechanically but It was rather OK for me). After that she gave me absolutely the best blowjob ever! Really. It was so fucking awesome! Perfect timing, zero teeth, lots of saliva. She was looking at me with those dark, innocent yet naughty eyes. I almost exploded. After about 10 min's of heaven I desperately wanted to fuck her so we got missionary and sex was also fantastic. Great response, superb moans, her hands and legs holding me tight. When I came I almost fainted. One of the best sexperiences of my life. After that she kept stroking me slightly. We had some laugh about my reactions and it was so natural and nice that I'll surely won't forget this ever. Of course no upsell at all. The look: 8/10, attitude 11/10! I absolutely recommend her! I tipped her 20 Eu cause she totally deserves it.

4. Here I have to sorry but I forgot her name. She's slim Romanian with see-cup natural breast. For me she has one of the most beautiful faces of that day's lineup. Sweet little upturning nose and rather characteristic straight eyebrows which goes up at the face sides (a bit similar to Romulan's from Star Trek) - maybe someone recognizes her? She has beautiful wide smile. I usually prefer bigger breasts but her stunning face was so delightful so I couldn't resist. And it was a good decision for a "grande finale". She also has standard pricing but she doesn't like DATY (which actually I understand because there are girls which are too sensitive in these areas). So we started from cuddling and petting, her boobs turned out to be very firm and lovely, her nipples got quickly hard as I licked them. After that very good OWO with various techniques and constant eye contact (yeah). At the end very satisfying cowgirl. After a while I grabbed her closely and fucked her hard till the end. Then we chatted a bit. She's lovely and very positive girl. Great final session with no doubt. And no upsell at all as well. Huge recommendation. The look 9,5/10, attitude 10/10. Tipped her 10 Eu.

I left at about 00:30 with empty balls and wallet but absolutely happy and satisfied. That's what FKK is about! Total damage: 80+60+60+80+70 = 350 Eu. I'm beginning to look forward to an opportunity to come back ASAP.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1914663]Attempt number two, since first time I got an error.

My vacation started last week and I decided to spend two days in Artemis before going to southern shores. The idea was to try out some new girls. Unfortunately (but totally expected) there was not much new talent to see [/QUOTE]This is what I meant, Artemis really need to get more new girls.

Girls are too old and fat with plastic surgery now in Artemis. Some girls has been there for like 5 years or even more.

We need girls more close to early 20's and not late 30's.

According to local paper, A case collapsing, and all remaining accused released today. Government says "Investigation goes on".

[URL]http://www.bz-berlin.de/tatort/nach-artemis-razzia-im-april-alle-verdaechtigen-wieder-frei[/URL]

[URL]http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/artemis-in-berlin-bordell-betreiber-wieder-frei-a-1105291.html[/URL]

HB.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1915429]Government says "Investigation goes on".[/QUOTE]Yeah, it does. But it sounds more than a little bit helpless. Got the vid from the Berlin Evening News? It's here: [URL]http://goo.gl/FN9T0I[/URL].

So will that help in renewing the club, or will it make the club continue to deteriorate this cumming fall?

If I hadn't still had 3 free entries left on my card (think its my 5th card), I would have wiped it off my list of clubs to visit even if there are 3 girls at the club I really like. Yet normally just one of them seems to allways be there. Don't know if that makes it worth it anymore.

What can I say, sick of some of the bullshit going on at this club sometimes... and the more you visit, the more you understand...

On the question of employment status of WLs who [B]choose[/B] to work within German FKKs, the appeal decision seems to reflect a very sensible view that they can be independents and yet still [B]choose[/B] to accept some work practices that will benefit both themselves and the clubs.

This latest turn of events should be very reassuring to all club operators and ladies who rely on the clubs as a place to earn a living.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1914917]This is what I meant, Artemis really need to get more new girls.
Girls are too old and fat with plastic surgery now in Artemis. Some girls has been there for like 5 years or even more.
We need girls more close to early 20's and not late 30's.[/QUOTE]Not necessary to mention this in every post.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1915957]Not necessary to mention this in every post.[/QUOTE]Amen, brother.

Look like case of Asspermger Syndrome.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1915717]Yeah, it does. But it sounds more than a little bit helpless. Got the vid from the Berlin Evening News? It's here: [URL]http://goo.gl/FN9T0I[/URL].[/QUOTE]Well government in any nations never hardly like to admit their failure. With the scale and attention of Artemis raid, it was failure and turned out to be bad ad for Berlin polizei and government, I mean they accused many things to the owners of Artemis and it turned out they got nothing, but tax issues. And everyone who has been to Artemis for many years know that Artemis has no relation to HA, maybe some girls have in their private lives, but not the club. Also what the owner said to police about bikers coming to club is right, I saw fee that looks rather outlaw like tattooed up with clubs name, tattoo on face etc. , but they just came as clients and they did not bother anyone, so in this case police and authority was wrong. And all they can say now is investigation goes on. Though their eyes are on Artemis that is for sure and this incident make it harder for others to open mega brothel in Berlin or near Berlin.

Hit the Art on Sunday night. Have never seen such a sausage fest and wondered what was going on at first. No change at all in the Club post raid as many have reported. The main bar was perhaps even more smoke filled than normal. Not as bad as the guaranteed cancer inducing room at Living Room (if you are a none smoker there it is impossible to deal with) but still bad. There was a selection of big muscle men who looked daunting but they were actually a good bunch. Then one of the most incredible sights I've ever seen in any club -FKK or otherwise: and not a girl but a fully tattooed Roman Guard! I wouldn't have put this up had he not told me where to find it and it doesn't show his face or name. Truly incredible. Apparently this cost around 20 k. But no, I didn't want time in the room with him. Not my thing. Really nice guy though.

Mr Ho has been complaining about the LU not being fresh and it needing an injection of young blood. He's taken a little criticism for repeating his complaint and ok so the drum does not need beating too many times to be heard. However there are pros and cons in what he says. First, I agree with him. After my first tour around the club and having been recognised by at least 8 girls, I did start to think that this was all a bit the same as last time. Which was a while ago. It's also not great constantly bumping into girls you've rejected several times. But as will become apparent. The one upside of a static LU is that if you have a real favorite and she is still there, it is fantastic to find her again.

First session with Eileen. Ro. Dark hair, bolt ONS, slim. Big red lips. Standard session 30 minutes to get me in the mood. Fantastic BBBJ which she was happy to do for the whole 30 minutes if I'd wanted and 90% of the time with no hands, no teeth, varying speeds and very skillful. Nice girl, quiet but I'd repeat.

Next I have been waiting for a beautiful long dark haired girl and I spot her at the end of the bar with a blonde so I approach. She smiles but tells me she is about to go to the room. I'd not spotted the towel in hand. I speak instead with her blonde friend, very tall, glasses, called Chrissy. Whilst not normally my type she was instantly engaging. I did not believe her when she said she was Romanian. She sounded 100% American. She asked if I'd ever met a girl from the US in FKKs and I confirmed I did in World last year. Chrissy was fantastic company, nice large enhanced the cups but not noticeably. I had to ask. We had an hour, talked a lot, she is without doubt the most intelligent woman I've met in an FKK. She was really knowledgeable about a lot of subjects and spoke 6 languages. We spoke Spanish, her French was incredible (both the language and the blow job!) and I really enjoyed my time with her.

Downstairs, finally caught up with the target of my affections. The long dark haired Joanna. This is when the static LU come back to repay you. She says "I know you" and we recall our last session over a year ago. I said I'd been back to the club 3 times since hoping to see her without luck. She looks like Emilia Clarke from the US series Game of Thrones but with dark hair and she is one of the most passionate women I've ever been with. Not dissimilar in looks facially to Elizabeth (Hungary) from Oase, but better body if slightly smaller natural see cups. Long sharp nails and killer eyes. Had 2 hours of sheer pleasure. One of the most skillful women I've been with in an FKK and I'd happily fly back to Germany just to session with her regularly. She is off back to Romania now for I think a week. Repeat. Oh yes. And often please.

Otherwise the club was as normal. Too many guys this time, too much smoke, but overall I always find at least 5+ girls I'd want to session with at Artemis. Which is why I, like many others, keep returning and will continue to do so.

The Empire strikes back.

[URL]http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/artemis-betreiber-wollen-berlin-auf-schadenersatz-verklagen[/URL]

and

http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/so-jubelt-ein-bordell-betreiber-ueber-die-neue-freiheit

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1916386]Hit the Art on Sunday night. Have never seen such a sausage fest and wondered what was going on at first. No change at all in the Club post raid as many have reported. The main bar was perhaps even more smoke filled than normal. Not as bad as the guaranteed cancer inducing room at Living Room (if you are a none smoker there it is impossible to deal with) but still bad. There was a selection of big muscle men who looked daunting but they were actually a good bunch. Then one of the most incredible sights I've ever seen in any club -FKK or otherwise: and not a girl but a fully tattooed Roman Guard! See [URL]https://www.facebook.com/tattoostudioberlin/photos/a.809456419104133.1073741833.792742210775554/1021012227948550/?type=3&theater[/URL] I wouldn't have put this up had he not told me where to find it and it doesn't show his face or name. Truly incredible. Apparently this cost around 20 k. But no, I didn't want time in the room with him. Not my thing. Really nice guy though.

Mr Ho has been complaining about the LU not being fresh and it needing an injection of young blood. He's taken a little criticism for repeating his complaint and ok so the drum does not need beating too many times to be heard. However there are pros and cons in what he says..[/QUOTE]I told ya about line up LOL.

[QUOTE=HunterCupid;1914252]This is my first time to a German FKK club. I'm a 33 year old English guy who speaks some German. I really didn't know what to expect for this place, it's my first time in an FKK club. In the end I stayed about 8 or 9 hours! The club really got going in the evening and was super busy. A complete mixture of people, 18/19 year old guys who looked a bit lost to business men, old men and guys in between like me. Overall I loved talking to the girls, but one problem here is the conversations don't last long because they are super keen to find their next fuck. I spoke to a black girl for 10 minutes and a Polish girl for 10 minutes but otherwise the other girls would talk only for a short while.

Here's a summary of the girls I took this evening. All of them were 30 minute sessions.

1. 5 pm Red Haired, Hungarian. Looks 25 yo. 160 cm. Petite. She's well known in Artemis. She tries hard to sell you extras, including anal. She is quite strong minded, asked me what I wanted if I wanted no extras. I just said blowjob and sex. She was pissed off. She was sucking me off and then we started having sex. She's complaining that I take no extras and tells me to fuck off. I told her to fuck off and we fucked harder. She hits me on the legs and I'm then slapping her and we're telling each other to fuck off and she's hitting me again. She's touching herself now and was nearing climaxing and had to stop herself (told me she had to save herself! She was super horny. I loved her attitude. If you can handle her she's amazing. She mostly ignored me the rest of the evening haha.

2. 8 pm Eastern European. Blond. Super thin. Super small tits. Super petite. Huge shoes! I was walking around the bar, it's maybe 7 pm and suddenly this girl is standing between the bar area and the pole dance area. I asked what she was standing there for (she's like in the middle of the room just standing there!) and she says she only just arrived. Well, I love petite girls like this and I was horny again so said let's go. I suggested we go outside because I wanted somewhere different to go and we find one of the outside rooms. She tries to sell me extras, and then finally offers 20 euros for 69 so I agree. This girl is a bit of a corpse, she lacks passion and it's all pretty mechanical. I don't think anything makes her horny, she doesn't seem to have much personality. I should have spoken to her before whisking her off for sex. Whatever, live isn't perfect. Anyway, while fucking this girl randomly shouts "Sky! I have no idea why. I was going to ask her but I didn't bother.

3. 10 pm German. Dark hair. Short. Breast implants, not thin. Super super super sexy young teenage face. Her date of birth is tattooed on her leg. 4th April 1995! I suggested we go to the cinema downstairs where I knew there would be some audience. She starts by sucking me off which I really enjoyed. There's a guy in the row behind and two girls approach him. I'm smiling at one of the girls while fucking my girl. I love this place so much for this. We then move to a room by the cinema (I didn't want to but this girl kept saying it would be better). It was better! She laid out on the bed and I was watching myself thrusting into her in the mirror in front of me. This girl's face is so pretty I was super happy. One downer, I was asking for lube and she gets some oil and uses that. This oil isn't lube and I didn't get the slide in her pussy. Next time I will make sure she has proper lube beforehand!

4. 1 am. Julia. 28 yo. Blonde. Hungarian. Petite. Beautiful be cup breasts. Body amazing. Julia has been working at Artemis for 4 years now and is a really nice girl. She has such a nice personality she was the nicest girl I met the whole evening. So, here's how I met her. It was 1 am and I was horny for another girl. No new girls were turning up anymore and there weren't any girls I was really into so I took a seat by the pole dance area and just waited there. After a while this girl walks around and then up to a guy on the sofa and sits in his lap for maybe ten minutes. She then leaves him and walks in a sexy way around the area and looks up at me. I love her super fit body so gesture her over. She's smiling and we chat for five minutes, she's caressing me and is clearly playful. This is the girl that saw me fucking in the downstairs cinema earlier in the evening. This time we go to the cinema by the pole dance area (I hadn't even noticed it was there! She's sucking me off and next we're fucking. There's a guy watching and I'm super happy about that. Then a few more people come to watch. We fuck in a few different positions but I'm losing energy now and I'm not cumming. She finishes me off with a super high energy hand job and I cum all over the fucking place. This girl is totally awesome. After I pay her she sits with me for 10 or 15 minutes and shares one of her cigarettes with me. I'll definitely come back for this girl next time. I tipped her extra for her hard work!

Total cost: 380.

Girls: 280.

Entry: 80.

Drinks: 20.[/QUOTE]A good first post, sounds like you had a good time there, did you forget some of the girls names?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1916686]I told ya about line up LOL.[/QUOTE]You sure did but as I said in my post. With Joanna in that LU it is never boring to me. She is really pretty and her service is fantastic. Chrissy was great to spend time with too. There were at least 8 other girls I'd have been happy to session with. There is something special about Artemis for me even if the main lounge is too smokey.

Hello fellow members!

This week I will visit Artemis and it will be my first time ever that I will pay for sex haha. What better way then to do it in Artemis? I have read almost every page here and other forums as well so I think I will be well prepared when I visit but I still have one question.

I will only visit one day but I don't know which day to pick. I will arrive on Wednesday late afternoon and what I know is that it will be lingerie day then. I will also arrive quite late. The other day that is to my disposal I early Saturday. Thursday and Friday I will be on a business meeting all day.

The bad thing about Saturday is that my flight leaves around 20:00 so I won't be able to have many hours then.

Hello fellow forum members!

This week I will travel to Artemis and it will be my first time I visit a Lady of the Night. I have read this forum and also other forums so I think I am well prepared. The only thing I have a question about is which day I should choose to visit since I am on a budget haha.

I will arrive Wednesday afternoon, earliest around 18:00 but that maybe is too late? Also I know it is dessous tag that day. Thursday and Friday I am on business meetings but Saturday I am free. The only thing then is that my flight home takes off late afternoon so I won't have so much time.

[QUOTE=Lavalampan2010;1917358]Hello fellow forum members!

This week I will travel to Artemis and it will be my first time I visit a Lady of the Night. I have read this forum and also other forums so I think I am well prepared. The only thing I have a question about is which day I should choose to visit since I am on a budget haha.

I will arrive Wednesday afternoon, earliest around 18:00 but that maybe is too late? Also I know it is dessous tag that day. Thursday and Friday I am on business meetings but Saturday I am free. The only thing then is that my flight home takes off late afternoon so I won't have so much time.[/QUOTE]Prices are the same in Artemis any day of the week, any time of the day. There will be Ladies of the Night available as soon as Artemis opens until it closes.

The question is not whether there will be ladies available (they will be there), but whether the ladies present will suit you. And that is a question nobody but yourself can answer. Just go there and have a look.

[QUOTE]Thursday and Friday I am on business meetings but Saturday I am free. The only thing then is that my flight home takes off late afternoon so I won't have so much time.[/QUOTE]Lineup only at full strength after 1930-20:00. Wed can be weak. Thurs better and Fri more better. Girls always fresher before 23:00; rooms easier to get etc. You must cut away from important business meetings at all costs. Tell them you feel not well, cannot have dinner, have erection stretching so deep into your mind that you cannot think of business. You can prove to them - show them ISG and that you so horny you post same message twice. Make some excuse but no excuse not to make excuse.

You can always have stupid meetings. Just show Dilbert videos to colleagues while you are gone. How often you have chance to be at Artemis, on power days, just after management was liberated, on a warm summer night?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1917304]You sure did but as I said in my post. With Joanna in that LU it is never boring to me. She is really pretty and her service is fantastic. Chrissy was great to spend time with too. There were at least 8 other girls I'd have been happy to session with. There is something special about Artemis for me even if the main lounge is too smokey.[/QUOTE]Yeah I managed to always find someone somewhere, deep in between the crowd of fat older girls with plastic surgeries that has been there since day one, at least they do not come up and try to ask me to go up stairs, they know my answer LOL.

Hi,

I am visiting Berlin in a few weeks and will there Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.

Which of these days will have the best lineup?

Also are there any advantages to arrive before 6 pm? From what I hear the lineup gets better later in the night but how is it during the day?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MangMang;1917756]
I am visiting Berlin in a few weeks and will there Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
Which of these days will have the best lineup?
Also are there any advantages to arrive before 6 pm? From what I hear the lineup gets better later in the night but how is it during the day?
[/QUOTE]Just read post 9241 below. As there's mentioned:

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1917575]Lineup only at full strength after 1930-20:00. Wed can be weak. Thurs better and Fri more better. Girls always fresher before 23:00; rooms easier to get etc. [/QUOTE]IMHO there's no advantage, unless you've got an appointment with a certain girl. Expect a very poor lineup in the afternoon, maybe ten girls at noon, number decently increasing, maybe twenty girls at 4 pm, some more at 6 pm. Monday seems to be the best choice of your selection of days. Note: that's an advise based on my own preferences.

Most top performers and / or stunners arriving late. Summer 2016 shows the worst lineup I've ever experienced at A during the last few years. It's a really cruel summer.

On my way to Romania, so had a long layover at airport, so why not come and take a look at this club. I was glad I did.

Took a taxi from airport, got there and the people who work at the reception desk really nice and explained everything for me since it was my first time. After that took a shower, went to the bar, this place is kind of old but has its own style. More girls started to more after 5:30. The LU is more than I expected, maybe even better LU during the weekend. One girls told me that because it is Tuesday we would have BBQ. Food was decent. If you want something with alcohol you have to get a tag from the reception desk. One thing really impressed me is how big downstair is, and also there were even a small gym over there. Finally I felt like I got my 80 euro entry worth.

Went to room with a Germany tall blond girl called Nadia. First kind of cold, but after get to know each other she became more social. Had a good 1 h session with her, does she not kiss anyone at all or just not me? This place, you could see many young kids over here, I saw one Asian kid who look like just graduate from high school. Couple of other kids probably from Germany just in their early 20's.

Time went quick, after the session took a quick a shower, dressed up hopped on the taxi, went back to the airport. Definitely would come back if I got a chance.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1917005]A good first post, sounds like you had a good time there, did you forget some of the girls names?[/QUOTE]Yes this is a big problem for me! I only remembered Julia because I asked her for her name again afterwards. In fact when I visited the bordellos in Berlin I had one occasion where I had forgotten the name of the girl I wanted from the line up! So embarrassing!

[QUOTE=Gaolegao366;1917969]On my way to Romania, so had a long layover at airport, so why not come and take a look at this club. I was glad I did.

Took a taxi from airport, got there and the people who work at the reception desk really nice and explained everything for me since it was my first time. After that took a shower, went to the bar, this place is kind of old but has its own style. More girls started to more after 5:30. The LU is more than I expected, maybe even better LU during the weekend. One girls told me that because it is Tuesday we would have BBQ. Food was decent. If you want something with alcohol you have to get a tag from the reception desk. One thing really impressed me is how big downstair is, and also there were even a small gym over there. Finally I felt like I got my 80 euro entry worth.

Went to room with a Germany tall blond girl called Nadia. First kind of cold, but after get to know each other she became more social. Had a good 1 h session with her, does she not kiss anyone at all or just not me? This place, you could see many young kids over here, I saw one Asian kid who look like just graduate from high school. Couple of other kids probably from Germany just in their early 20's.

Time went quick, after the session took a quick a shower, dressed up hopped on the taxi, went back to the airport. Definitely would come back if I got a chance.[/QUOTE]This blonde German Nadia is the one with many tattoos, from Hamburg and tall with silicone tits Nadia?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1918112]This blonde German Nadia is the one with many tattoos, from Hamburg and tall with silicone tits Nadia?[/QUOTE]There is only one Nadja. Wings on her back.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1918148]There is only one Nadja. Wings on her back.[/QUOTE]That's the one, she kiss, but not DFK, at least with my experience, not best performer, but she can take pounding and no complain.

I want to be in Berlin and Frankfurt in late August early September. Will this be a bad time for the LU at different FKK's including Artemis. Should I wait until mid September or later?

Was there yesterday. Some tried to sell CIM and CIF for 60 but some sand French kissing was free because I had such a beautiful face they said haha. The thing that pissed me off though was that every girl I talked to wanted extra for 69 and then another extra for finger inside.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;1918628]I want to be in Berlin and Frankfurt in late August early September. Will this be a bad time for the LU at different FKK's including Artemis. Should I wait until mid September or later?[/QUOTE]Near Artemis there is a Messe (Exhibition). When there is a Messe the LU will usually be good. Here is the link to the exhibitions: [URL]http://www.messe-berlin.de/en/Organizers/EventCalendar/TradeShows/[/URL].

If you hover your mouse over the dates the Event will show up. In August there is one event only (Pferde is Horses). In September there are quite a lot of exhibitions.

One catch: almost all exhibitions draw a lot of visitors to Artemis and the girls know about this and anticipate. But there is some exhibitions that do not draw these many customers. I don't know which ones exactly. But the IFA: 2-7 September and InnoTrans: 20-23 September should be save.

[QUOTE=JacoGillongo;1919101]Near Artemis there is a Messe (Exhibition). When there is a Messe the LU will usually be good. But there is some exhibitions that do not draw these many customers. I don't know which ones exactly. But the IFA: 2-7 September and InnoTrans: 20-23 September should be save.[/QUOTE]If you are a sardine or an ant, you don't want to miss A during IFA.

Been reported over last 10 years how completely stressed out are all Artemis systems during IFA, how you can easily wait 1 hour for room, or 30 min by reception just to get available locker, girls exhausted, etc. LU good but you have to leave early like 20:00 if you don't want to die. Also idea of "don't miss other exhibitions, though not sure which ones" - could be advices from Donald Trump. Internet is nice but correlations not facts.

@Backpack Brian - come later.....

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1919321] Been reported over last 10 years how completely stressed out are all Artemis systems during IFA [/QUOTE]Does this mean that you actually do pass on information from others? So what is the value of this? Are you one of those who starts looking for info on other websites and then reports about it like it is your own experience. What is the value of that?

[QUOTE]how you can easily wait 1 hour for room[/QUOTE]Let me explain about waiting for a room. You go upstairs with the girl and you sit by her side for an hour, that's not bad! Many people want presales. You got a beauty by your side for one hour. What is your problem with that? I didn't spend much more than 20 minutes in the last years and I wish a few of those waits would have been longer.

[QUOTE]or 30 min by reception just to get available locker[/QUOTE]I have asked this question on other threads and I wonder again in this one: "Have you even been there?" The lockers go up to 800. I asked staff about that. It has never happened that all lockers are taken. Artemis is big but not this big.

[QUOTE]girls exhausted[/QUOTE]From waiting one hour for each session?

[QUOTE]you have to leave early like 20:00 if you don't want to die[/QUOTE]In 2013 I was there on a big Messe event. It was like Dolce Vita, especially after 20:00. A once in your life time experience. This is what I wrote about it (other website).

[I]the girls keep coming in and some are really very beautiful. One looks like a real porn star. Most important is the atmosphere. It is really a bit elated, over the top, super-erotic. Everybody seems to be enjoying this particular evening. In this atmosphere any girl seems beautiful. Even the ones that I didn't think to be beautiful at first. No problem. They are beautiful enough in this atmosphere.[/I]

Later I summarized it like this on yet another website.

[I]When there is a Messe however, Artemis changes in the evening. More and more beautiful girls arrive. The atmosphere is very erotic. It's really elated. There is a glow to each and every girl. Men keep coming in. Even after midnight large groups of men may enter. Italians, French, Russians shouting all over the place.[/I][QUOTE]"don't miss other exhibitions, though not sure which ones"[/QUOTE]Although usually a Messe will attract many men and many girls and very beautiful ones, sometimes there is a Messe that simply does not attract the right men. I translated August's Messe for you (Pferde = Horses) as you can expect many females on that Messe event. I have been told about this Messe link to Artemis by several girls. I have confronted them with this once that it did not work out. They could not tell me why and so I can't tell you either. I try to be as neutral and objective as I possibly can. No one can tell you a sure way or a sure date. With the link to the Messe you can do your own planning. You might even go for a non-Messe day, just to have a bigger chance to a quiet day.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1919321]could be advices from Donald Trump[/QUOTE]By comparing me to Donald Trump you have hit the wrong button. It's gross. What are you thinking and what are you intending? Why on Earth did the administrator let this one pass. It is awful. I will not post here any longer.

[QUOTE]Internet is nice but correlations not facts.[/QUOTE]The website with the Messe events are very much a fact. Why are you writing here for? All you wrote is made up of hearsay, not even a correlation between two facts.

I visited Artemis for my first time last weekend and god dammit I was nervous when I was entering the building haha. Payed the entrance fee and hit the showers. Thanks to this forum and the Swedish forum I had a lot of knowledge how things worked in there so I really didn't have any problems with sharks and all the girls where polite and friendly. I was there only for one day and I picked three girls that I fucked.

Jennie, Moldavia.

My original plan was to wait a bit and really kind of interview the girls I wanted to have sex with so I could strike a bargain and get things cheap. But when Jennie came down the stairs to the spa area I just couldn't resist when she started to talk to me. It was her first time back since she had a vacation and she was very friendly. I told her I just wanted a little suck and fuck for 60 euros and she was fine with that, she didn't try to sell anything extra. I asked if 69 was included in the 60 euros and she said why not. Since it was my first time with a prostitute I was extremely nervous and after I fucked her for a little bit my soldier died. He really didn't want to wake up after that. I really liked Jennie though and would do her again in a heartbeat if my dick would want to.

Franceska, Romania.

After a while I decided I wanted to try again and one girl with glasses who had a smoking body and a beautiful pussy asked me if I wanted to go upstairs with her. I said I still had to rest and ran down to the bar. While at the bar my mind started to wandering towards her and I really felt how my dick started to work again. I quickly went upstairs and check if she was still there and she was! She asked me if I was ready now and I said I was. We went up to the room and I did the same procedure as last time. The difference here was that Franceska started with some blowing and I still had a hard time getting it up. I told her I knew a way it would hard and I said I wanted 69, something she said was going to cost extra. Fine I said, and we did some 69, my dick got hard and I then I started to fuck her. The sad thing is that I have an enormous porn addiction, something that makes just feel and touching not enough. I need visual stimulation so when the dick started to get soft, I had to fantasize about porn to get it hard. To not make her feel bad I started to pound real hard and after like 15 minutes I came. We shared a smoke after and she was very friendly and we talked a bit. I also gave her a little tip since she was very good at playing with my balls during the sex while I plowed.

Mariella, Germany.

Last girl of the day was also by far the hottest one. I saw how she sat alone outside the bar area and I asked her, her name. When she said Mariella I immediately told her we need to go upstairs, right now! She is somewhat of an celebrity on the Swedish forums haha so I needed to try her out. God dammit what a pussy she had. She looked like an angel and real, gorgeous, natural breast which she said she will never change. She was a bit on the chubby side though. She was very into the GFE-thing and I didn't even have to ask. Kissing and looking into the eyes was her thing and something I didn't need to pay extra for. She wanted extra for 69 though, something that I needed to get my dick hard. Just sucking don't work for me. Too bad I really don't like when she looked me in the eyes, then I couldn't fantasize about how I fucked her, while I fucked her. Tragic that I need to think about fucking her to come, when I am actually fucking her. This on the other hand made me fuck her doggy-style instead but she took it like a champ. She wanted my juice she said in the end but hell no I'm going to pay extra 50 euros for that. I just came in the condom and that's was it. We chatted for a while after and she had no rush. A sweet girl with a lovely giggle. Would definitely do her again.

An awesome experience and I learned a lot about myself. It was a while since I had sex and unfortunately for me I have turned to much to porn. I'm going to go into celibacy for now, no more porn and masturbation until my next visit so I really, fully can enjoy the experience. The place was very relaxed as well and the LU was not that bad at all but some had some love handles around the waist and I think there was a lack of smaller girls. Many where really tall. I am 185 and I don't want to have sex with girls that are around my height. That is just freaky stuff.

Visited Berlin again after almost a year. As always I spent a part of the day at Artemis. It was on a Sunday the last day of last month. The features of the visit were as before. I enjoyed the facilities both inside and outside. The food was OK but no more than that. I dealt with the attentions of girls pushing for business and kept control of my agenda. Angus used to say that you had to spend about 6 hours to get the best from Artemis and I have held to that. I picked a day when there was no Messe event. When I was ready I went about looking for girls to pick up. I had 3 good sessions. The girls all asked for 60 e for the same basic service. One of these was with an up seller but I did not give her the opportunity to claim extras. It was a good session any way. The best was with a blonde girl from Berlin, 1650 mm height, slim well proportioned body, clear white smooth skin, peachy ass. I picked her up as I walked through the sliding door into the main lounge. We hit it off straight away. I encountered this other girl at the bar. A stunning blonde with natural good looks, smooth white skin, beautifully shaved. She would not talk to me, let alone give me her name, said she was waiting for someone. Perhaps she likes young fit guys, neither of which I am. I never saw her with a man after that. I last saw her at the girls lockers, looking at her e-mails. Four fit young guys came up the stair from the entrance. They turned as one to take in this vision of beauty. I could not help but wonder what her mode of operation was or if she ever went with a man.

Artemis is still a good place to pick up girls if you can stay in control and deal with sharks and up sellers. If you keep your eyes open you can find some gems. If you are lucky they may even give you a session. To the next time.

Lavalampan: But isn't nervousness the best? As it raises your reflections? Hehe.

Mariella is such a sweet doll. I saw her last year. Did you chat with her about her schedule at artemis? Apparently she does two weeks on, two weeks off. I want to contact the front desk so I can prepare a trip out there but I have heard that they are snappy about giving out schedules. But obviously it is important for visitors to know if they have a favorite girl they want to see while on a trip. Silly legal nonsense.

[QUOTE=Lavalampan2010;1920229]Mariella, Germany.

Last girl of the day was also by far the hottest one. I saw how she sat alone outside the bar area and I asked her, her name. When she said Mariella I immediately told her we need to go upstairs, right now! She is somewhat of an celebrity on the Swedish forums haha so I needed to try her out. God dammit what a pussy she had. She looked like an angel and real, gorgeous, natural breast which she said she will never change. She was a bit on the chubby side though. She was very into the GFE-thing and I didn't even have to ask. Kissing and looking into the eyes was her thing and something I didn't need to pay extra for. She wanted extra for 69 though, something that I needed to get my dick hard. Just sucking don't work for me. Too bad I really don't like when she looked me in the eyes, then I couldn't fantasize about how I fucked her, while I fucked her. Tragic that I need to think about fucking her to come, when I am actually fucking her. This on the other hand made me fuck her doggy-style instead but she took it like a champ. She wanted my juice she said in the end but hell no I'm going to pay extra 50 euros for that. I just came in the condom and that's was it. We chatted for a while after and she had no rush. A sweet girl with a lovely giggle. Would definitely do her again.

An awesome experience and I learned a lot about myself. It was a while since I had sex and unfortunately for me I have turned to much to porn. I'm going to go into celibacy for now, no more porn and masturbation until my next visit so I really, fully can enjoy the experience. The place was very relaxed as well and the LU was not that bad at all but some had some love handles around the waist and I think there was a lack of smaller girls. Many where really tall. I am 185 and I don't want to have sex with girls that are around my height. That is just freaky stuff.[/QUOTE]

Attended Wed's Dessous night and there was an situation late in the evening where the girls reported a shady individual with glasses or spectacles tricked up with secret recording capabilities (think Google Glass like). Apparently walked around the club and even had sessions wearing them. Some of the girls were shaken up a bit and the Polizei were even called in. I'm sure the club has CCTV footage to review. I visit Artemis once every 6 months since I live overseas so it was bad timing on my part. Can some of the regulars find out what became of this over the next few days, if any? (did they catch the culprit? Is he a known individual? Etc). Obviously, this is concerning for all parties involved. Girls, us guys & management.

[QUOTE=Lavalampan2010;1920229]The sad thing is that I have an enormous porn addiction, something that makes just feel and touching not enough. I need visual stimulation so when the dick started to get soft, I had to fantasize about porn to get it hard.
To not make her feel bad I started to pound real hard and after like 15 minutes I came. We shared a smoke after and she was very friendly and we talked a bit. I also gave her a little tip since she was very good at playing with my balls during the sex while I plowed..[/QUOTE]Porn addiction and its side effects.

Okay guys I'm not sure this is the suitable place to discuss this, but since Lavalampan brought it up, how do you deal with the side effects of porn addiction? I am sure Lavalampan is not the only one who faces difficulties getting a hard on while having sex because of porn addiction. We often face the problem of needing a visual stimulation, and that touching is not enough.

Based on the experience of people in this forum, how do you deal with this problem? How do you overcome it? It is annoying and I must say can be embarrassing for a man, especially during the sexual experience. There is nothing worse than failing to fuck when you're emotionally and psychologically ready to do it.

Any ideas about this?

Anyone know if Even / Evan / Heaven with the killer tits is still at Artemis? I'll be back in Germany from mid to late August. Love to see her again if she is still around.

Howie.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1921414]
Okay guys I'm not sure this is the suitable place to discuss this [/QUOTE]You are indeed CORRECT! This is NOT a suitable place to discuss this! Unless you have information or questions specifically pertaining to FKK Artemis, please do not post here. The "German FKK Clubs. Lounge and chat area" (below FKK Artemis. Berlin thread) would be the correct place to discuss this very particular issue. Lets keep this and all threads which relate to FKK and Sauna Clubs in Germany, an enjoyable place to visit for all Members, with news and information about the club in question (in this case FKK Artemis) and not a Dear Abby advice page, to discuss the life problems of individual members.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1921414]Porn addiction and its side effects.

Okay guys I'm not sure this is the suitable place to discuss this, but since Lavalampan brought it up, how do you deal with the side effects of porn addiction? I am sure Lavalampan is not the only one who faces difficulties getting a hard on while having sex because of porn addiction. We often face the problem of needing a visual stimulation, and that touching is not enough.

Based on the experience of people in this forum, how do you deal with this problem? How do you overcome it? It is annoying and I must say can be embarrassing for a man, especially during the sexual experience. There is nothing worse than failing to fuck when you're emotionally and psychologically ready to do it.

Any ideas about this?[/QUOTE]Easy, ask for a room with mirrors and you can look at yourself making love to your girl. It is like being the star in your own XXX-movie.

Killer tits? As I remember from the last time I saw her she has natural small tits, did she make silicone? She's indeed the most amazing girl I have ever been with. Very interesting if she's back to work since I didn't meet her at my last two visits to the club.

[QUOTE=Howie;1921465]Anyone know if Even / Evan / Heaven with the killer tits is still at Artemis? I'll be back in Germany from mid to late August. Love to see her again if she is still around.

Howie.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blover34;1921556]Killer tits? As I remember from the last time I saw her she has natural small tits, did she make silicone? She's indeed the most amazing girl I have ever been with. Very interesting if she's back to work since I didn't meet her at my last two visits to the club.[/QUOTE]Any picture available for this babe on any website or any other source?

I wish but no.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1921990]Any picture available for this babe on any website or any other source?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blover34;1921556]Killer tits? As I remember from the last time I saw her she has natural small tits, did she make silicone? She's indeed the most amazing girl I have ever been with. Very interesting if she's back to work since I didn't meet her at my last two visits to the club.[/QUOTE]Hi Blover34,

How recent were your last two visits? I saw her in mid-March of this year and she told me she had her tits done. They looked amazingly naturally and beautiful. One of the best pairs I've ever seen. Perky and firm.

Howie.

I haven't seen her for more then a year. She told me she won't stay in Berlin and will go back home since she had enough of this job, I didn't really believed that and I see I was correct. Last two times I been there one of her friends who know me told me that I just missed her by a week. Well that's life. She will always be remembered by me as the most! Beautiful girl I have ever seen. She so natural and nice that I couldn't understand what the hack is she doing in this club, but the need for money is probably stronger then my understanding. Just to think about her with bigger tits as you say she made them it's a boner. Hope to see her once more really really hope to.

[QUOTE=Howie;1922530]Hi Blover34,

How recent were your last two visits? I saw her in mid-March of this year and she told me she had her tits done. They looked amazingly naturally and beautiful. One of the best pairs I've ever seen. Perky and firm.

Howie.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

An information, I was in the Artemis the last year, there is a site where I can see the girl available? Because in the Artemis site's there isn't the gallery of the girl.

[QUOTE=Lavalampan2010;1920229]I
The sad thing is that I have an enormous porn addiction, something that makes just feel and touching not enough. I need visual stimulation so when the dick started to get soft, I had to fantasize about porn to get it hard.
[/QUOTE]Get some Vitamin V, my friend. That will take care of that problem so you don't have to worry about it, and can focus on enjoying the rides.

[QUOTE=Beranius;1922847]Hi,

An information, I was in the Artemis the last year, there is a site where I can see the girl available? Because in the Artemis site's there isn't the gallery of the girl.[/QUOTE]The Artemis site used to have pictures of the girls working there before the raid but it's gone now. The Internet Archive has a few cached snapshots of the pictures from the last few months.

[URL]http://web.archive.org/web/20160415003608/http://www.fkk-artemis.de/page/girls/?langswitch_lang=en[/URL]

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1923028]The Artemis site used to have pictures of the girls working there before the raid but it's gone now. The Internet Archive has a few cached snapshots of the pictures from the last few months.

[URL]http://web.archive.org/web/20160415003608/http://www.fkk-artemis.de/page/girls/?langswitch_lang=en[/URL][/QUOTE]By the way, what has changed in Artemis after the raid? Wether in terms of quality and number of girls or procedures or fees?

Come to think about it, would have looked like an action and bizarre movie to see 700 police officers storming into a place with nude women and clients having sex LOL. Anyone in the forum was there when it happened?

What was the name of this blonde blue eye, half German half russian girl who used to work in Goldentime and now at FKK Artemis, just very few tattoo, no silicone, about 165 cm, blonde, blue eye. I think her name was Ania no? Or Alia?

Thinking about starting my trip to Berlin at Artemis. Are there any girls you can recommend for BBBJ and CIF?

Also is there any point to arriving before 5 pm? Flying into Berlin around midday and don't know if I can wait that long!

Cheers.

Also does Jenna with the huge boobs still work there?

[QUOTE=Howie;1921465]Anyone know if Even / Evan / Heaven with the killer tits is still at Artemis? I'll be back in Germany from mid to late August. Love to see her again if she is still around.

Howie.[/QUOTE]Hi!

Yes, I saw Evan several times in the last weeks, so chances are high to meet her.

[QUOTE=MangMang;1924743]Also does Jenna with the huge boobs still work there?[/QUOTE]She wrote this on Artemis webpage, in the section that was taken down after the raid:

Jenna:

11 April 2016 6:39.

Hi Bill. No not in June. Maybe middle or end of August.

Bill:

6 April 2016 15:59.

Hi Jenna, will you be working in June?

I arrived at 5 pm and I was super tired already as I was working all morning painting and decorating. Anyway at 6 pm I joined the queue for the BBQ. I wanted to drag this evening out more than I did on my last visit as I wanted to pick my girls even better this time and to see if any new faces were there.

8 pm German / Turkish. 20 year old Tall. Long black hair.

So in fact I had been waiting a long time already and was disappointed not to find any girl that I really liked. I was hanging around the stairs area (the place that the desperate guys go to!) when this beautiful young girl approaches me with a stunning body. My initial reaction was to say no because although physically she is beautiful she's got that snooty attitude that a lot of the girls have here. I prefer normal down to earth girls but whatever, I couldn't wait all night for my first fuck so I said yes. I ask to go to the Cinema because I figure she will have to make an effort with me there. Wrong! Big mistake! This girl is so devious. I tell her I am super horny and I will cum quickly so we need to go slow. So what the fuck does she do? She starts sucking me off super hard but I'm able to control it. We start fucking and then switching positions a couple of times. We're about 8 minutes in and I can't hold myself anymore so I pull out. I want to go slowly and take my time with her. She then says to me the Cinema is for fucking only and I'm not allowed to stop. She says we have to fuck. What? I looked up and told her there wasn't even anyone IN the cinema! But that doesn't matter to her, the cinema is for fucking only. Jeez what a * this girl provided no service to me and was nasty to me too. I was going to ask for her name but decided not to only to stop myself from writing it here in this forum. We start fucking again and I come in only a few minutes. The session lasted 10/15 minutes maximum, what a fucking she also put me in a bad mood too after that.

10 pm Sydney. 25 year old German. Blond hair, dark eyes. Short / Petite. Looks like Avril Lavigne.

Wow! I can't believe it. I see this cute cute cute tiny girl sitting on a chair in the bar area. I'm getting horny just looking at her. This girl is super petite and has that cheeky teenager look to her and is acting very normal. She's talking to a guy so I didn't approach her but I sat instead on the sofa behind her. After a couple of minutes she stands up to leave and then the guy starts speaking to her. I'm hoping he doesn't take her but they continue talking for maybe another five minutes. Sadly for me, she disappears with him. Anyway, a little while later I see her at the bar but walking towards me. I approach her and lift her hand for her to twirl. I ask if she wants to have a cigarette with me (my new trick, bring cigarettes! The time while you talk and smoke you will know if the girl is right for you! While we're talking another German girl comes up to her and says there is another guy that wants her for a threesome right now. This girl is clearly in demand! She ignores the request and I take this girl upstairs (no Kino now I learnt my lesson and this girl is GFE all over not a pornstar). The first room she takes me to I reject, it's not nice enough for this special situation! Let me tell you, Sydney is one of the most beautiful girls in Artemis, her body is the tightest and smallest of all the girls and she has beautiful tattoos all over her, but done in a really nice way. Her breasts are enhanced (too big in my opinion). I asked her what she was before and she said she had almost nothing there. I would have preferred a natural looking be cup but she went bigger. They're still amazing though! Sidney was a great fuck, she rode me on top and put a lot of effort in. We changed positions a few times and finally I came. We stayed in the room talking for a bit before we went downstairs for payment. I love this girl so much I will look for her next time I'm here.

1 am Mandy. 30 year old Austrian. Very light blond hair, dark eyes. Petite. Perfect small body.

I come across Mandy near the pole dance area. I love her super petite body and we talked for a few minutes. I was actually looking for Julia, the Romanian super petite girl that I had fucked in the Kino on my last visit to Artemis so I told her no. But having waited for Julia for nearly an hour already I then see Mandy again sitting on the sofa looking a bit lonely and she gave me eye contact. What I love about this girl is she is super normal, not like the other girls who love themselves so much. I asked her if she likes the Kino and she says yes, it's a good advert for her, so I asked what she likes doing in the Kino and she said kissing, 69 all included for 60 euros. Wow! I took her to the Kino and she's sucking me off super professionally like a real porn star. She rides me for a long time again like a porn star and we have guys around us jacking off. Amazing! I'm loving this girl so much she is super sexy and I love everything about her.

What a nice evening in the end but I left still being annoyed by the first girl. I've learnt a big lesson today, don't go for the girls that love themselves but find the normal girls you can connect with!

[QUOTE=MangMang;1924743]Also does Jenna with the huge boobs still work there?[/QUOTE]IMHO Jenna will return, but patience: it just takes time.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1925364]She wrote this on Artemis webpage, in the section that was taken down after the raid:

Jenna:

11 April 2016 6:39.

Hi Bill. No not in June. Maybe middle or end of August.

Bill:

6 April 2016 15:59.

Hi Jenna, will you be working in June?[/QUOTE]I knew you can write on Artemis website, but I never knew girls actually write back on Artemis website LOL.

At Hunter.

Can you describe your first girl more in detail? Maybe it was Sinem. She is very tall (1,75 m) and has very long black hair, the longest hair from all. Her natural boobs are very small. Her face is pretty and she is very slim. Yesterday I spoke with her and I think she doesn't like half hour sessions.

Mandy is nice person, you are right and very natural: No tattoo, no silicone, no solarium. She looks like an albino.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1925727]I knew you can write on Artemis website, but I never knew girls actually write back on Artemis website LOL.[/QUOTE]Not anymore.

Anyway, it was mostly just Jenna.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1925767]At Hunter.

Can you describe your first girl more in detail? Maybe it was Sinem. She is very tall (1,75 m) and has very long black hair, the longest hair from all. Her natural boobs are very small. Her face is pretty and she is very slim. Yesterday I spoke with her and I think she doesn't like half hour sessions.

Mandy is nice person, you are right and very natural: No tattoo, no silicone, no solarium. She looks like an albino.[/QUOTE]Hi Suppenhuhn,

Yes it could well be Sinem, she was very tall and long black hair and with natural boobs. Her body is completely my type, except she is taller than I normally go for. I blame myself for choosing her as much as I blame her for being the way she was. I won't make the same mistake again though. I will always talk to girls for a few minutes before going with them in future. And if they don't want to talk to me then they're not right for me!

Due to circumstances within my control (haha) I extended my stay in Berlin! How fortunate! I was now flying back home on Thursday so made sure I had some time to squeeze in one more visit to Artemis! This time I was determined to make it my best visit and I wanted to make more use of the facilities than I did. I arrived at 5 pm and went straight to the indoor pool and then followed with the Sauna and the Steam Room. I was now super relaxed to find my first fuck of the evening.

6 pm Dominican Republic. Black girl. Short. Not thin. Always smiling. Always playing. Super bubbly, big personality. 30+ year old?

So I'm sitting on a sofa at the upper section near the bar area. The place is empty and dead. In walks in the larger than life black girl that is always smiling and has a great attitude! She walks to the bar with a smile on her face and I can't help but go up to her to tell her how it makes me so happy to see her every time she is there because she has such an amazing personality and her spirit always lifts the room. She says she wants to talk to me but I make it very clear I'm not interested in her. She says she just wants to chat don't worry about it. We sit there talking for maybe 10 or 15 minutes, and I made it clear again I'm just chatting and I'm not interested. The thing is though, she has so much spirit and is so full of life and I'm loving spending time with her. I had a bad experience with a girl on my last visit in Artemis and I figure maybe I should go with a girl who I get on with? She's moving her body to the music and she's telling me how much energy she has for me. I keep saying no until some switch flips inside my head and I say ohhh come on then! We shuffle to the round bed in the the upper bar area and close the curtain (but leaving a nice gap! She keeps moving to the music while she then goes down on me sucking me off. WOW what an experience she is wild! We then start fucking and she's one of the best fucks of my life! She's full of energy and she's masturbating herself too while I bang her with all my energy too. Finally I come and it's one of the best experiences of my life! I learnt so much about myself in such a short time with this girl. It's not all about the beauty of the body but the spirit and energy and personality of the person you are with are also really important. She spent the rest of the evening telling people how I was a sex machine! Como una machina! I'll be honest it's the first time I was with a black girl and I'm so happy with how it came about. What an amazing start to my evening.

12 am Mandy. 30 year old Austrian. Very light blond hair, dark eyes. Petite. Perfect small body.

If I had to marry any girl at Artemis it would be Mandy without any hesitation. She is completely my type and if I had to have sex with one girl only for the rest of my life it would be with this girl. Mandy has the most perfect body and beautiful soft white skin. Her breasts are absolutely perfect. Her energy and enthusiasm is second to none. I've been with Mandy before on my last visit where we fucked in the kino near the bar. This time I asked her where she wanted to fuck and she said she preferred the Kino downstairs. So off we go! There's no one there at first and she's sucking me off. Some people walk by and I'm happy that people are watching but they didn't stay. Then a guy comes to sit on the sofa behind us and is watching. I look up to see this goofy old pervert. And his goofy face really puts me off. I need people with energy watching me and this guy is taking it from me. I suggest we move to a room and what a good idea that was! For the first time I see Mandy in better lighting and with mirrors I'm super enjoying myself now. We're then fucking and she's touching herself at the same time. We move to different positions until I cum to completion. Afterwards, we sit there for maybe ten minutes just chatting. I learn so much about her. For some reason I didn't see her again the whole evening and I wondered what she did for the rest of that day.

2 am German. Short, breast implants, not thin. But super super super sexy face. Her date of birth is tattooed on her leg. 4th April 1995.

I was with this girl on my first visit to Artemis back in July 2016 (last month). She was super good back then and I wanted to end my visit to Berlin on a good note but anyway this girl is the youngest looking and sexiest girl in the place so it was a no brainier. I saw her walking down the stairs having finished with a client so I moved to the lockers to ask her to be next. As I'm standing there, a guy pushes past me and grabs her to ask to be next. OK whatever I was being polite waiting and this guy pushed in. Sometimes things happen for a reason so when he disappears I tell her I was standing there waiting to be next but anyway I will wait for her to come back. I needed time to recover anyway so maybe it was a good thing. I went to the Sauna in the meantime and a while later I wandered back to the stairs. My timing was good because only a few minutes later I see her walking back down again. This time I didn't want to waste my time so I made sure I was next by asking her before anyone else had a chance (haha! After she got back from the ladies changing room we went upstairs. We were in the best room I've had so far upstairs and this girl didn't disappoint me. She's super horny and she starts by sucking my nipples (no one else does this! How does she know I like it? She's kissing my body and I'm stroking her everywhere. She starts by sucking me off and then we move to fucking in different positions. She's touching herself while we're fucking (this is the first time ever that every girl I was with touched themselves! I came to completion and I was super happy. Her body and face are so sexy and her attitude is different to all the other girls. She is so sweet and dedicated but once she's done with you she's observant and has a great personal awareness. I am in awe of her personality and she must be in a good place mentally. She's so in demand that she could barely finish her drink at the bar before she was taken away upstairs again but another guy.

What a perfect end to an evening at Artemis. I left at 4 am and I can say this evening was my best ever. I love this place so much and it's worth every penny.

Entrance 80.

Girls 210 (include tips).

Drinks 10.

[QUOTE=Karat;1925191]Hi!

Yes, I saw Evan several times in the last weeks, so chances are high to meet her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update Karat. I'll be in Berlin next week just before the IFA kicks off. I do hope that she is still around.

Howie.

At HunterCupid. Thanks for the reports on Mandy. Agreed on all points. She very cute and petite, her attitude outside and in the room is second to none, and her enthusiasm and performance in the room was stellar. I was pretty much done for the evening having already done 3 rooms, but was chilling since it was still early (midnight) and she walked over and started chatting. No upsell at all, very fun to talk to, and like you said very 'normal' in a lot of ways. Once she told me her name I knew I had to give it a go based on your recent reports.

Had 3 other pretty SOP sessions, nothing really to report. Just standard 30 min no kissing no DATY sessions, but it's day 1 and I knew I would have a good time no matter what since the tank was full. All 3 sessions were enjoyable, but nothing memorable. To be honest I don't even remember their names LOL.

Spent Friday evening at Artemis. Got there around 6 pm and it was already busier than it was the previous day (not a surprise) but still not too crazy busy. I had 3 very good sessions.

Beya (not sure on spelling) - says she's 1/2 romanian 1/2 turkish. Went for a nice relaxing hour session that was a very good way to start of the day. She's tall, bronzish blonde hair with natural see / dee cups. Minimal upselling, but a bit. Mentioned CIM and anal but declined and it wasn't intrusive at all to the session.

Amy DE. What a sweet sweet girl. Spent a very enjoyable time with her. An hour very well spent and no upsell at all.

Completely forgot her name. Very petite romanian with very light skin and reddish brown hair with bangs. Her name begins with an A. Angelina, Andrea, something like that. Incredible GFE experience and it was like real girlfriend back in my 20's. Very sensual and a great way to end the night. I ended up spending 1. 5 hrs with her and it was well worth it. No upsell and a super sweet and kind girl.

All 3 sessions included DATY and kissing. I went for an hour from the start with all 3 so I don't know if a 1/2 hrs session it would have been the same.

Was considering staying for a 4th session, but I was tired and after 3 really good sessions why risk an SOP session to end the night. I like to end on a highlight, and both last night and tonite I did just that.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;1927701]
Completely forgot her name. Very petite romanian with very light skin and reddish brown hair with bangs. Her name begins with an A. Angelina, Andrea, something like that. [/QUOTE]IMHO Antonia.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1927814]IMHO Antonia.[/QUOTE]That sounds right. Piercing right above her vagina as well. Not on her clit, but right above it.

Why is it that most of the ladies in Artemis prefer not to kiss? (french kissing, that is) ? Even during the session, its a common no-no. Is there a way to talk the lady through convincing her into this? Is it part of the GFE? I noticed it in my last visit and found it weird.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1930854]Why is it that most of the ladies in Artemis prefer not to kiss? (french kissing, that is) ? Even during the session, its a common no-no. Is there a way to talk the lady through convincing her into this? Is it part of the GFE? I noticed it in my last visit and found it weird.[/QUOTE]My educated guess is the girls want 50 more Euros, VonderJohn.

I have never had a problem, since I have always taken one hour sessions, but you really need to establish this pre-zimmer. Generally, I find the service is better from the girls in the Frankfurt clubs, as opposed to the girls at Artemis. I stopped going there years ago. Of course, YMMV.

Good luck!

FiddyCent.

Romanian labor union is strong in Artemis. Only a few romanians kiss. Try any of the non romanian. Perhaps also non-german as it has spilled a bit over to the german lot as well.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1930987]Romanian labor union is strong in Artemis. Only a few romanians kiss. Try any of the non romanian. Perhaps also non-german as it has spilled a bit over to the german lot as well.[/QUOTE]Agreed! If you remove the 80% Romanians and the 5% German group, that leaves you only about 15% total. (Hungarians and Czechs, who are great kissers, Bulgarians, Polish, Thai, Latin American, others not listed). Bottom line Pistons, service is better in Frankfurt. Oh, to correct my previous post. The girls would be asking for Sixty Euros more. This is Berlin, after all.

FiddyCent.

I don't know Artemis, because Berlin is a bit far and no more pleasure being stopped in traffic on autobahns, but if I understand well, it s more expensive than NRW or Hessen, with lower services? Or are girls better GFE with real DFK, for 1 hour, like most of FKK girls. Austria around Villach is also more expensive, with lower average services, and I think it s the same in Vienna. Switzerland is more expensive, but top level for GFE, at least for Globe, before discovering Aphrodisia.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;1930941]My educated guess is the girls want 50 more Euros, VonderJohn.

I have never had a problem, since I have always taken one hour sessions, but you really need to establish this pre-zimmer. Generally, I find the service is better from the girls in the Frankfurt clubs, as opposed to the girls at Artemis. I stopped going there years ago. Of course, YMMV.

Good luck!

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]1) So in one-hour sessions, kissing is allowed?

2) What are your top picks for Frankfurt: Top brothels and FKK clubs and gangbang clubs. I may try them.

Your percentages are off, but it doesn't matter. Just about 60-65% are romanian, and 10-15% are german. 10% are also bulgarian. There are no polish, but a few russian and ukrainian from time to time. Some thai, caribbeans/south americans/africans etc. Not many czechs / hungarians left now unfortunately:

[QUOTE=Pistons;1931154]Your percentages are off, but it doesn't matter. Just about 60-65% are romanian, and 10-15% are german. 10% are also bulgarian. There are no polish, but a few russian and ukrainian from time to time. Some thai, caribbeans/south americans/africans etc. Not many czechs / hungarians left now unfortunately:[/QUOTE]Thank you Pistons for your breakdown of the percentages. The plus about Artemis is the variety of girls that show up at that club. I wonder what drove the Czech and Hungarian girls away.

This reaffirms my reason to stick with Frankfurt. I used to like Artemis, and had many good sessions there, but since I started expanding my trips into Frankfurt, I find their clubs had more to offer and the service levels from the girls were far superior. Getting back to the original topic of the kissing, the interview on the couches is the determining factor whether or not I choose a girl. Guys, definitely take your time there. The girls will come back, even if you skip them over the first time.

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1931154]Your percentages are off, but it doesn't matter. Just about 60-65% are romanian, and 10-15% are german. 10% are also bulgarian. There are no polish, but a few russian and ukrainian from time to time. Some thai, caribbeans/south americans/africans etc. Not many czechs / hungarians left now unfortunately:[/QUOTE]I met two Polish in May. Ukrainians would be rare and I met none. The club is ruled by the the Romanians, number one reason why other girls want nothing to do with Artemis.

[QUOTE=Riina;1931200]I met two Polish in May. Ukrainians would be rare and I met none. The club is ruled by the the Romanians, number one reason why other girls want nothing to do with Artemis.[/QUOTE]True, the clique at Artemis is hard to get into even for most romanians. It is hard to find out who the bad apples are that ruins it, but I think it could just be lots of jealousy and the fact that the girls doesn't get out much. LOL.

I know at least 3 ukrainians there from time to time. And there are also a few spanish. But there are so many semi active girls at Artemis it is hard to get a full overview. It has, or at least before the raid, had the largest amount of girls. Full time or part time of all german fkk's... a number would also be impossible as the term 'quit' is impossible to define... but that sheer number of girls (and diversity) makes the club worth a look from time to time even if there are also bad apples around... especially if trust is regained after the raid. Though I have to admit the LU has taken a huge dip this year since the raid this spring... but hoping it comes back up...

What kind of nonsense is written here? One member estimates 80 %, another one 60-65 % Romanian girls. Artemis is not Oase or World.

The biggest group are the German girls (about 25-30 %) and the second the Romanian girls (about 20 % It changes from day to day but in my opinion the average.

There are also some turkey (5-10% Bulgarian (5% Hungarian (5-8 %) girls in club and also different other nationalities (Slovakia, Russia, Lithuania, Asia, Czech, Poland, Moldavia, Ukraine and some black girls).

Hi, have you seen Jenna at Artemis. She was supposed to come back end of AUG. Thanks.

She hopes to come to Artemis end of September or begin of October.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1931335] Romanian girls (about 20 % It changes from day to day but in my opinion the average.[/QUOTE]Do you believe in aliens too?

(Sure some are moldavian too, but most group those in with the romanians. Even the romanians / moldavians say they are the same, as they all have romanian passport issued in chisinau).

Sure some turkish too, but most 'hungarian' are not from hungary, but perhaps ethnic hungarians from romania...

[QUOTE=Pistons;1931202]I know at least 3 ukrainians there from time to time. And there are also a few spanish. But there are so many semi active girls at Artemis it is hard to get a full overview. It has, or at least before the raid, had the largest amount of girls. Full time or part time of all german fkk's... a number would also be impossible as the term 'quit' is impossible to define... but that sheer number of girls (and diversity) makes the club worth a look from time to time even if there are also bad apples around... especially if trust is regained after the raid. Though I have to admit the LU has taken a huge dip this year since the raid this spring... but hoping it comes back up...[/QUOTE]My experience is mostly agreeing with the guy who said the majority are Germans. But I guess it changes and fluctuates over time.

Anyway, what do you mean by "LU" ? I couldn't find it in the abbreviations, sorry.

From your experience, what really changed after the raid? Last time I was here was a year ago so I'm sure things are not 100% the same. What changed? Quality of girls? Number? Treatment? Attitude? Value for money?

LU = line up.

After the raid, a bit less girls, and / or some older replacement girls just taking up space. A few girls are rumorred to also ask for more money per session, but personally I haven't noticed that.

And there is absolutely no discussion regarding the largest nationality. No doubt that is the romanians... sure some days have more than average germans. And many of the germans are part timers. Lots from hamburg for example. But I've never seen a single day with more germans than romanians.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1931335]
the Romanian girls (about 20 % It changes from day to day but in my opinion the average.
.[/QUOTE]20% romanians in Artemis?

Hahahaha. Thanks, best joke so far this year.

Dutedrac,

At most 25 %, many in the night shift.

It's terrible what people say their opinion in this thread who have no experience in this club.

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1932074]20% romanians in Artemis?

Hahahaha. Thanks, best joke so far this year.[/QUOTE]Ofcourse over half the romanians there say they come from somewhere else. So yes, a joke. But not this years joke. It is getting old now, LOL.

Pistons,

I don't know your nationality. Maybe that is the reason why you cannot identify the accent and ergo the nationality of the girls, especially the German ones.

But if you have not the knowledge of these things it's better to keep quiet.

I think I know 70 % of German girls names. And I think I was so often in Artemis that my details are nearly facts.

I think the nationality and ethnicity of the lady can be determined by the taste of the tit and the architecture of her pussy or perhaps her fucking skills.

Romania is the main meat factory for German FKK industry. Bulgaria being the back up meat factory.

However, these meats from Romania often claim they are Spanish or Italian, they are a shame of being Romanians, so they hide their identity, they often claim to be Italian or Spanish LOL.

For me as long as girl is beautiful, cool and provide good service I do not care too much, though I tend to love German girls in FKK the best.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1932722]Pistons,

I don't know your nationality. Maybe that is the reason why you cannot identify the accent and ergo the nationality of the girls, especially the German ones.

But if you have not the knowledge of these things it's better to keep quiet.

I think I know 70 % of German girls names. And I think I was so often in Artemis that my details are nearly facts.[/QUOTE]Well I'm a furniture at artemis. Was there yesterday. Must say Artemis during IFA is terrible. I mean, all the girls are there. Didnt miss anyone. But too many guys... awful to catch the girl you look for... sure there are lots of germans. Even more than ever before it feels. But there are even more romanians. 50-60% easily. True it has fallen a bit percentage wise since the raid and the girls of those HA guys are gone it seems. All were romanian I believe...

About these 'polish' girls though. At least the one I talked to is 100% romanian :)

[QUOTE=MrHo;1933007]Romania is the main meat factory for German FKK industry. Bulgaria being the back up meat factory.

However, these meats from Romania often claim they are Spanish or Italian, they are a shame of being Romanians, so they hide their identity, they often claim to be Italian or Spanish LOL.

For me as long as girl is beautiful, cool and provide good service I do not care too much, though I tend to love German girls in FKK the best.[/QUOTE]Romanian WGs who are very numerous, lie, saying they are Italian or Spanish, to try not to be considered like Romanian meat. Bulgarian girls are used to be treated like meat, but they suffer from. Both are women, even prostitutes. Some Romanian girls are much more sensual women than German girls.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1933219]Well I'm a furniture at artemis. Was there yesterday. Must say Artemis during IFA is terrible. I mean, all the girls are there. Didnt miss anyone. But too many guys... awful to catch the girl you look for... sure there are lots of germans. Even more than ever before it feels. But there are even more romanians. 50-60% easily. True it has fallen a bit percentage wise since the raid and the girls of those HA guys are gone it seems. All were romanian I believe...

About these 'polish' girls though. At least the one I talked to is 100% romanian :)[/QUOTE]Excuse my ignorance, but what is IFA? I didn't find it in the abbreviations.

Also, based on your experience, when is the most suitable day / period to visit Artemis? (weekdays or weekends? Summer or winter? September or October?) in terms of finding the most variety of girls and ratio in comparison to men.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1932962]I think the nationality and ethnicity of the lady can be determined by the taste of the tit and the architecture of her pussy or perhaps her fucking skills.[/QUOTE]Different taste and smell between dark skin and white skin girls, OK. Real red hair girls have also different taste and smell than blond and brunette white skin, but from white to a bit dark, I saw pussy with small lips or big lips, hidden clit or small dick clit, some guys will be happy with. I met Romanian or Bulgarian tornado and dead dolls Germans. Many Romanians and Bulgarians are more skillful for me than Germans or Polish or Czech in Praga.

I think it depends on what kind of sex we look for, and our behavior with girls.

I don't know the percentages (nationality is of only conversational interest to me) but I am sure that there is more variety at Artemis than at the other large clubs that I have visited in frankfurt and stuttgart.

I can believe that 25% Romanian at Artemis is quite possible. Certainly less than 50%, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1933392]I don't know the percentages (nationality is of only conversational interest to me) but I am sure that there is more variety at Artemis than at the other large clubs that I have visited in frankfurt and stuttgart.

I can believe that 25% Romanian at Artemis is quite possible. Certainly less than 50%, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]So, too far from Paris and not a club for me. Even I was often said to go to Hungarian Geraldine? But my best girls from Hamburg to Zurich are Romanian, even at GT Bruggen, the prettiest, sexiest, most respectful GF are Romanian, Kim or Erica, only Serbian Dounia can compete. And Artemis is more expensive, than NRW or Hessen.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1933329]Excuse my ignorance, but what is IFA? I didn't find it in the abbreviations.

[/QUOTE]Google IFA + Berlin and you get: [URL]http://www.ifa-berlin.de/en/[/URL].

HB.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1933329]Excuse my ignorance, but what is IFA? I didn't find it in the abbreviations.

Also, based on your experience, when is the most suitable day / period to visit Artemis? (weekdays or weekends? Summer or winter? September or October?) in terms of finding the most variety of girls and ratio in comparison to men.[/QUOTE]Like I've mentionned before here on the forum. Miss a big messe by a few days or a week and most if not all the girls are around. Pluss the ratio is much better than during the messe.

Last summer was good at artemis. All girls were out by the pool. But this summer they seem to fear the sun (like at the hessen clubs sometimes). So then the time of the year doesnt matter. But messe scheduels do... and perhaps august is a bit slow cus girls go on vacation.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1933632]Like I've mentionned before here on the forum. Miss a big messe by a few days or a week and most if not all the girls are around. Pluss the ratio is much better than during the messe.

Last summer was good at artemis. All girls were out by the pool. But this summer they seem to fear the sun (like at the hessen clubs sometimes). So then the time of the year doesnt matter. But messe scheduels do... and perhaps august is a bit slow cus girls go on vacation.[/QUOTE]I get what you mean. So basically we should be on the look out for big exhibitions and public events taking place in Berlin and make sure to avoid going to Artemis during these events, as they generate too many guys into the FKK clubs. I am planning a trip by early October, so I think I will be finding a less crowded Artemis, as no messe has been detected during that period yet.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1933219]Well I'm a furniture at artemis. Was there yesterday. Must say Artemis during IFA is terrible. I mean, all the girls are there. Didnt miss anyone. But too many guys... awful to catch the girl you look for... sure there are lots of germans. Even more than ever before it feels. But there are even more romanians. 50-60% easily. True it has fallen a bit percentage wise since the raid and the girls of those HA guys are gone it seems. All were romanian I believe...

About these 'polish' girls though. At least the one I talked to is 100% romanian :)[/QUOTE]I had my furniture days at Artemis, LOL. I find that unless the girls know me service level is less good than in the Frankfurt area. The price is also annoyingly high. Berlin needs more FKK clubs for increased competition. Next week I'll pay Artemis a visit after a very long time.

Probably do Mittwoch in hope to avoid the masses.

[QUOTE=Blover34;1921556]Killer tits? As I remember from the last time I saw her she has natural small tits, did she make silicone? She's indeed the most amazing girl I have ever been with. Very interesting if she's back to work since I didn't meet her at my last two visits to the club.[/QUOTE]I fucked Evan tonight. Killer tits, no, just medium sized silicone breasts with nipples pointing to the roof. Her nipples are sensitive, she don't allow them to be touched or sucked. No big deal for me, I much enjoyed her slender body and tight pussy. One of the best bodies in the club and OK face as well.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1935007]I fucked Evan tonight. Killer tits, no, just medium sized silicone breasts with nipples pointing to the roof. Her nipples are sensitive, she don't allow them to be touched or sucked. No big deal for me, I much enjoyed her slender body and tight pussy. One of the best bodies in the club and OK face as well.[/QUOTE]That is Evan alright with nipples pointing to the roof, LOL.

Hey Finnish Fucker, was that this Saturday or Sunday that you fucked her? I was at Artemis last Friday 2 Sep during the IFA and she wasn't there. Glad to hear that she has returned. Making plans to revisit Artemis later this week just so I can fuck that hot body of hers again.

The previous Friday during IFA, it was super busy. Room waits of 30 minutes or so after midnight but line up quality was so and so. Only three babes caught my attention. Clara (Romania), Cecile (Romania) and Kelly (Bulgaria). Ended up fucking platinum blond Barbie doll Clara. Amazing slim hot body with nice C cup silicones. Soft juicy fleshy pussy and long straight platinum blond hair down to waist with tanned body and cute face. Will look to try Cecile and Kelly next time.

Who else did you fuck that night?

Howie.

[QUOTE=Howie;1935079]
Hey Finnish Fucker, was that this Saturday or Sunday that you fucked her? I was at Artemis last Friday 2 Sep during the IFA and she wasn't there. Glad to hear that she has returned. Making plans to revisit Artemis later this week just so I can fuck that hot body of hers again.
[/QUOTE]It was Sunday evening I visited Artemis and banged Evan. I did not have any other girls, better to quit when you are winning!

Cheers, FF.

Hello!

I'm thinking about going to Berlin next week from Wednesday till Friday. This will be my first trip to Berlin.

Though I've read quite few posts and topics about Berlin and its places I still have some questions.

What worries me a little is that I saw there will be a messe (Innotrans) in Berlin next week. I saw a post where two members couldn't get along if the messe is a good thing or no, so would be great to hear more about it. It's logical that the messe will have an impact on Artemis for example, but I also think it should be in a good way (good lineup), except for the crowd which is a definitive minus.

My indicative plan is for the first day (Wednesday) to do some sightseeing in the morning and afternoon, than to visit one Kaufmich / intimberlin lady first and than to go to Artemis (or just going directly from sightseeing to Artemis).

I was thinking of going to Artemis around 18:00 and staying till late.

And the last day (Friday) I was thinking to go to Artemis around noon and stay for 4-5 hours.

- When would you suggest the best hours to go to Artemis that there will be a lot of girls and maybe not so crowded because of the messe?

- Did I choose good hours?

- Do you think there will be a lot of shark attitude and upseling because of the messe?

As I already said this will be my first trip to Berlin and my first visit to German FKK and Gangparty club (on Thursday) and I only have three days there, so I really have to have a good plan. So I would like to ask you fellow mongers to help me with the questions and maybe with some extra information.

Last but not least I'm a fan of big silicone tits so as I've read the Artemis should be a place for me right? Does anybody know any big silicone tits girl which is working now in Artemis or anywhere else in Berlin (except Kaufmich / intimberlin) for that matter?

There was a lot of talking that Jenna comes back in September but looks like we'll still have to wait.

Thanks to all!

Hi,

I am making my first trip to Artemis this weekend and I've read quite a few posts, but couldn't get an answer to this. You enter and pay the house fee, go to the locker, get undressed and walk around in a robe. What happens when you hook up with a girl? Do you go back to your locker to get the cash so you can pay her 60 euros or is there some sort of tab system?

Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=PeterGord;1936885]Do you go back to your locker to get the cash so you can pay her 60 euros or is there some sort of tab system?[/QUOTE]You don't have to pay in advance. The girl will guide you to your locker afterwards.

Making my first trip to Berlin and naturally had to look what was fun. The idea of FKK is so far from a concept I didn't bother to look it up. Anyway, luckily I did and now I'm here hoping for advice that might turn into a trip to Artemis!

Concern is mainly around safety:

-STD's. Any concerns from the past visitors?

-Non white visitor. I might be ignorant but how tolerant would an Asian patron be? Hoping the only color that matters is money.

-Other patrons. Anyone ever run into trouble there?

-Area. Staying at the Waldorf so this is my only reference. Is that a generally safe area to be in late night, esp waiting for taxi?

Thank you in advance, I hope to repay with detailed review as I'm leaving town Monday!

[QUOTE=CoupDeken;1937018]Making my first trip to Berlin and naturally had to look what was fun. The idea of FKK is so far from a concept I didn't bother to look it up. Anyway, luckily I did and now I'm here hoping for advice that might turn into a trip to Artemis!

Concern is mainly around safety:

-STD's. Any concerns from the past visitors?

-Non white visitor. I might be ignorant but how tolerant would an Asian patron be? Hoping the only color that matters is money.

-Other patrons. Anyone ever run into trouble there?

-Area. Staying at the Waldorf so this is my only reference. Is that a generally safe area to be in late night, esp waiting for taxi?

Thank you in advance, I hope to repay with detailed review as I'm leaving town Monday![/QUOTE]STDs: Visitors members are routinely cleaned with disinfectant before BBJ, this reduces the risk, but does of course not eliminate it. I am a not too frequent regular guest, had rooms with probably 50 girls over the last two years, nothing ever happened to me.

Asian patrons: I have never noticed any discrimination, rather on the contrary.

Waldorf: perfectly safe area in the center of the old West-Berlin.

[QUOTE=PeterGord;1936885]Hi,

I am making my first trip to Artemis this weekend and I've read quite a few posts, but couldn't get an answer to this. You enter and pay the house fee, go to the locker, get undressed and walk around in a robe. What happens when you hook up with a girl? Do you go back to your locker to get the cash so you can pay her 60 euros or is there some sort of tab system?

Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]Your key opens two lockers; a big one in the changing room for your clothes and a small safety deposit style box for cash, keys etc located between the ladies and mens changing room. When you come down from upstairs you will pay the girl at the safety deposit box.

[QUOTE=CoupDeken;1937018]
-Non white visitor. I might be ignorant but how tolerant would an Asian patron be? Hoping the only color that matters is money.[/QUOTE]Relax, its western europe. Not asia. I think east asians are welcommed to all fkks.

The only club that sends people away as far as I know is golden times and these are brown mostly, but no club including GT sends Asians away. You are safe.

[QUOTE=CoupDeken;1937018]

-STD's. Any concerns from the past visitors?[/QUOTE]If you already have herpes (as a good number of people do, perhaps even the majority), you will be fine.

[QUOTE=Hoodavuna;1936718]
1. What worries me a little is that I saw there will be a messe (Innotrans) in Berlin next week.

2. I was thinking of going to Artemis around 18:00 and staying till late.

3. And the last day (Friday) I was thinking to go to Artemis around noon and stay for 4-5 hours.

4. Do you think there will be a lot of shark attitude and upseling because of the messe?

5. There was a lot of talking that Jenna comes back in September but looks like we'll still have to wait.
[/QUOTE]1 &2. Yes it will be crowded-go little earlier like 1700 to be sure. Be prepared to leave at 2230 if it gets bad. Plenty of time.

3. Fri will be very quiet till about 1700. Also not so many girls til then. Up to you. Friday choices likely much better than Wed.

4. No. Management tells girls to be normal. Problem no more than normal. Use common sense. Just only go with girl if good vibe and discuss prices before room.

5. No Jenna. You will find others with handfulls.

Make report of adventures.

[QUOTE=Hoodavuna;1936718]
There was a lot of talking that Jenna comes back in September but looks like we'll still have to wait.
[/QUOTE]According to Twitter, Jenna will be back next Monday.

Hi guys!

I will also be visiting Berlin and Artemis some time in December. I have some control of my schedule and would like to stay away from the Messes -- no pun intended.

Is there a non mongering website that has info about when the Messe are happening?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1939097]Hi guys!

I will also be visiting Berlin and Artemis some time in December. I have some control of my schedule and would like to stay away from the Messes -- no pun intended.

Is there a non mongering website that has info about when the Messe are happening?[/QUOTE]Google Messe Berlin. The website includes an event calendar. A few days before a major event is usually when the lineup is at its best.

So, not enough girls on a Tuesday night. A ton of men and girls are actually declining sessions. Huge wait times. Girls are lazy in the room. Even one of my regulars and all time favorite grew lazier with time, but still the Best session of the day. Any body has a comment about Kiara (maybe I am spelling that wrong)? Beautiful girls with silicon.

This weekend there will be the Berlin Marathon with more than 40.000 starters, a lot of journalists and minor events on side.

Somebody knows from last years marathon-weekend if Artemis will be overcrowded on Saturday?

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1939710]This weekend there will be the Berlin Marathon with more than 40.000 starters, a lot of journalists and minor events on side.

Somebody knows from last years marathon-weekend if Artemis will be overcrowded on Saturday?[/QUOTE]It wasnt overcrowded last year. Most marathon runners wouldn't go there the day before the race need to save energy, LOL.

[QUOTE=Frozty;1939125]Google Messe Berlin. The website includes an event calendar. A few days before a major event is usually when the lineup is at its best.[/QUOTE]Or after the messe. Or rather, that's when lineup is on top while guy: girl ratios are still good. If the masse ends on a weekend or a weekday is also a point to look at as girls comming for a messe will normally stay for the near weekends if it starts or ends mid week. Then again this is usually just the thing with 10-20%. Most will stay longer. But we are discussing part timers. A short few part timers may actually just stay for the most hectic days during the messe too. Then again, its all a lottery coupon. At IFA recently I saw almost every single girl I have seen there for the past year or so return (except for the girls who got thrown out in relation to the raid). So that was pretty much 95% of the artemis rooster. Only one or two germans I was missing. Like the fit black haired girl with the gun tatoo on her thigh. Didn't see any new faces at all though. But the number of girls was probably at 130-150. They need to recruit some soon.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1914663]Attempt number two, since first time I got an error.

My vacation started last week and I decided to spend two days in Artemis before going to southern shores. The idea was to try out some new girls. Unfortunately (but totally expected) there was not much new talent to see and I have pretty much tested out all the girls I desire.

A little side note:

The place had plenty of tourists from Scandinavian countries. I met some swedes (a nation that frequents Artemis very often) and they pointed out some 18-19 year old Norwegian boys that were circled by local shark life. The reason Scandinavians are making pilgrimage to places like Artemis is because Norway and Sweden eradicated the problem of prostitution by criminalizing buyers. By eradication I mean that middle class prostitution (FKK / Brothels and escort services through escort agencies) is more or less eradicated. Street hookers are of course available and high class prostitution also. So basically unless you are rich and connected and / or don't want to buy services from junkies, criminal organisations or shady pimps the only viable option is visiting central Europe..[/QUOTE]Kiara, not my usual type because she is too artificial. However, there is something so sweet about her that is hard to explain. The session felt very distant and professional with no kissing and the feeling of intimacy, but there was still something nice about there girl.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1939710]Somebody knows from last years marathon-weekend if Artemis will be overcrowded on Saturday?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1939719]It wasnt overcrowded last year.[/QUOTE]Confirm that. The usual Saturday crowd. No more and no less.

Has anybody seen Geraldine the Hungarian recently? I miss fucking the hell out of her.

The Artemis website says that they will have free beer next Thursday to celebrate their 11th anniversary. What effect is that likely to have on the attendance and atmosphere of the club?

I'm really bad with names, even the names of the girls I had good sessions with!

Can you guys help me out?

Girl 1:

Red hair, short hair length. Told me she used to have it shaved on the sides and if I'm not mistaken she told me she used to be blonde? I guess her old hairstyle was undercut and blonde, could've been red as well.

Height is about 160-165 cm without heels.

I'm fairly certain she was Romanian.

Age: 26.

She was quite popular the two days I saw her working.

Her body is petite and natural, her breast were probably A cups.

Saw this girl the last weekend of August. She was not there this weekend.

Girl 2:

Dark hair, almost black if not black. Her hair length is short, goes down to her ears.

Height is about 165-170 cm without heels.

Age: 25-29?

I believe she's Romanian, may look german.

The most unique thing about her has to be her figure, she has big hips (in a good way) and a big ass yet her waist and upper body is petite. Even her face is small and cute. Her breast are natural and A cups I believe.

She wears black tube socks or something similar (can't remember the name in English).

Saw this girl the last weekend of August. She was also there this weekend.

Girl 3:

Blonde with long hair. She's german. She looks like another german girl that I've seen at Artemis. Both of these girls wear some thin black fabric thing around their necks. The girl I'm looking for has bigger breast and is taller.

I don't think her breast is natural, maybe see cups?

Height: 168-174 without heels.

I'm like 40% sure she told me her name was Nella or Madeleine.

I visited Artemis again last Sunday. The weather was fine so I was able to enjoy the facilities outside as well as inside. I arrived by taxi this time because there was some disruption to the S-bahn. When I was ready I went looking to see if I could pick up a girl. I met Mandy from Austria, she had fair hair, but I do not know if it was natural. She was about 1650 mm tall, slim build. She performed well in the room for a standard 60 e session. I was satisfied. Next I met Gabriela from Poland at the main bar and then later at the Kino on the lower level. She was good looking but not stunningly so, but I liked her. She was about 1700 mm tall, well proportioned build. She performed well in the room for a standard 60 e session. Something about her sense of humour appealed to me, we got on well in the room, but this may be the way that she works. I was satisfied. Next I met a tall girl from Hamburg, I was trying to decide whether to spend my last 60 e or save it for a nice meal later, but I liked her. She was about 2000 mm tall with a well proportioned build. I have forgotten her name, but she was good in the room. I was satisfied. I have had some good sessions lately, when visiting Artemis. I arrived about 2. 30 and left about 8. 00 in the evening. I enjoyed the cool of the day but in the evening the main lounge was busy. I enjoyed the food at 6. 00 in the evening. The next time will be the third day of October.

[QUOTE=KtqMoon;1940017]Girl 1:[/QUOTE]Ellie.

[QUOTE=KtqMoon;1940017]Girl 2:[/QUOTE]Maybe Bulgarian Katharina. Not sure.

[QUOTE=KtqMoon;1940017]Girl 3:[/QUOTE]AFAIR Nella's got plastic boobs, maybe it's her. Sorry, really no idea.

Edit, nvm... missed a point on description.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1939844]Has anybody seen Geraldine the Hungarian recently? I miss fucking the hell out of her.[/QUOTE]May I ask why in the world do you miss fucking this one? I could never understand why people like her and book her, but to each his own. She reminds me of Sharks Sylvana with her aggressiveness client chasing. Assuming I have the right Geraldine in mind.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1939746]Kiara, not my usual type because she is too artificial. However, there is something so sweet about her that is hard to explain. The session felt very distant and professional with no kissing and the feeling of intimacy, but there was still something nice about there girl.[/QUOTE]What does Kiara look like? There was a Polish / German girl I has some AMAZING sessions with a few years back that I haven't seen in ages. She is quite short, big fake tits, big angel wings tattoo'd on her back and cherries with 'Lucky You' written below them just about her pussy.

I'd be really happy if she was back.

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1940450]What does Kiara look like? There was a Polish / German girl I has some AMAZING sessions with a few years back that I haven't seen in ages. I'd be really happy if she was back.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately there's no reason to be really happy. Amazing Polish Kiara? Once upon a time.

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1940450]What does Kiara look like? There was a Polish / German girl I has some AMAZING sessions with a few years back that I haven't seen in ages. She is quite short, big fake tits, big angel wings tattoo'd on her back and cherries with 'Lucky You' written below them just about her pussy.

I'd be really happy if she was back.[/QUOTE]This one is very short, has ear length black hair, red lipstick lips like cherries, beautiful blue eyes, silicon job which is not the best, heels with "diamonds" straps on ankles, red nail polish on feet. She turned down 4-5 sessions in 15 minutes on Tuesday right next to me. She is arrogant, no kissing, no pussy eating, but with all this attitude she is still very very likable. She tries to do a good job in the room, but she gets tired quickly. Not in a bad way, but in the honest way. You can can tell she is honest.

I'm planning my next trip and the dates I'm looking at are also the same dates as Venus messe this year. I used the search function and read a little bit but it seems that the answers are not quite clear. The most concrete report has to be "30 min max waiting time" for a room on a Friday night during this messe. This was from a couple years ago, how about the last 1-2 years during Venus messe?

I have no problem if there's a lot of people but I'm not too excited about waiting for a room. I'll be there on a Thursday and a Friday, probably from 4-5 pm too 1-2 am.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1940157]May I ask why in the world do you miss fucking this one? I could never understand why people like her and book her, but to each his own. She reminds me of Sharks Sylvana with her aggressiveness client chasing. Assuming I have the right Geraldine in mind.[/QUOTE]I think you have wrong one as she rarely is in main bar as she only go now with booking only with her regulars. She never approach clients from her.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1940489]This one is very short, has ear length black hair, red lipstick lips like cherries, beautiful blue eyes, silicon job which is not the best, heels with "diamonds" straps on ankles, red nail polish on feet. She turned down 4-5 sessions in 15 minutes on Tuesday right next to me. She is arrogant, no kissing, no pussy eating, but with all this attitude she is still very very likable. She tries to do a good job in the room, but she gets tired quickly. Not in a bad way, but in the honest way. You can can tell she is honest.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the answer. That's not my Kiara unfortunately.

So lets say I accepted to go with a lady into a room. But upon talking with her I felt that she's not excited or won't be giving me the treat that I won't. Can I cancel and leave without paying? Note that she hasn't given me anything and we didn't do any intercourse / BJ. We were just talking on the bed and I disagreed with what she will be giving. Can I change my mind and leave at that moment without paying?

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1941295]So lets say I accepted to go with a lady into a room. But upon talking with her I felt that she's not excited or won't be giving me the treat that I won't. Can I cancel and leave without paying? Note that she hasn't given me anything and we didn't do any intercourse / BJ. We were just talking on the bed and I disagreed with what she will be giving. Can I change my mind and leave at that moment without paying?[/QUOTE]Anytime you want you just have to fight LOL.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1941295]So lets say I accepted to go with a lady into a room. But upon talking with her I felt that she's not excited or won't be giving me the treat that I won't. Can I cancel and leave without paying? Note that she hasn't given me anything and we didn't do any intercourse / BJ. We were just talking on the bed and I disagreed with what she will be giving. Can I change my mind and leave at that moment without paying?[/QUOTE]Interesting question and it will be worthwhile seeing what regular members of the various FKK threads post by way of response. Of course a natural response (but not an answer) is that you ought to ensure you do your interviewing downstairs before you told the girl you wanted to go to the room. You would normally (but not always) have had the same negative feedback you got during your chat on the bed in the room and could have avoided the awkward situation.

But IMHO you should not have to pay provided you told her pretty quickly in the room you wanted to terminate the session without any touching, sex, DFK, BBBJ. You are taking the girl to the room for those services (or at least 99% of guys do) and if you've not had anything I don't think you should have to pay if you kill the session very quickly. But if you got to the room and spent 10 minutes chatting to her in there on a bed and then say you are ending the session, again without receiving any of the above services, I think it changes. You've bought some company with the lady and have had one third of a 30 minute session. She would no doubt then argue that she went to the room with you, naked, was on the bed and ready and willing to perform but you wanted to talk and you should pay her. I'd then be inclined to agree.

I've had sessions (not just in Artemis but elsewhere) where the girl promises the earth in the lounge, DFK, fingers in pussy, ball licking. Saying everything to get you stirred up and agree, only to find she becomes a cold fish in the room. If I've found them attractive I then just say I want sex and do my best to give them a pounding in doggy for as long as I can give it. Not the sort of behavior I like at all but it's my way of saying "if you want to mislead me downstairs and be cold up here, I've got my own way of ensuring that I'm getting something for my money". But your question is more about ending a session shortly after getting into the room and doing nothing but talking.

As stated. It is an interesting question and I wonder what other guys think though your question should be in the Lounge or FAQ threads instead of just in the Artemis thread.

If the service is not going to be as agreed than you have the right to pull out.

If contact has begun then you are obligated to pay for 30 minutes. If you don't you will need a trip to the front desk for a spirited three way discussion.

After all that is done and you have saved your precious euros, try getting the next girl to the room with you. Best of luck, these situations are best avoided.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1941295]So lets say I accepted to go with a lady into a room. But upon talking with her I felt that she's not excited or won't be giving me the treat that I won't. Can I cancel and leave without paying? Note that she hasn't given me anything and we didn't do any intercourse / BJ. We were just talking on the bed and I disagreed with what she will be giving. Can I change my mind and leave at that moment without paying?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;1940773]I think you have wrong one as she rarely is in main bar as she only go now with booking only with her regulars. She never approach clients from her.[/QUOTE]That would make sense. I'm intrigued, how do I find this one?

[QUOTE=Danny227;1941736]That would make sense. I'm intrigued, how do I find this one?[/QUOTE]As far as I know, she only take client on appointment only, last I saw her was this June. She was really good in room and beautiful. I think she is quitting soon or already quit.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1941558]I've had sessions (not just in Artemis but elsewhere) where the girl promises the earth in the lounge, DFK, fingers in pussy, ball licking. Saying everything to get you stirred up and agree, only to find she becomes a cold fish in the room...[/QUOTE]This is exactly the reason for my question. The chat at the lounge may not be exact. It may be a bait. Everything may suddenly change once she enters the room and thinks she has taken you for granted. I think the best thing to do is to detect any bad / unwelcome / changed attitude and end the session immediately. Because in the 5-10 minutes during which you guys talk, she could have found another customer. So I think its only fair to allow a 1-2 minute decision making time, and it doesn't need more in my opinion.

By the way, in case you leave the room in 1 minute and break the deal, can she hold anything against you? I mean can she go to the front desk and complain? I don't think they (Artemis management) have the right to interfere, do they?

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1941839]This is exactly the reason for my question. The chat at the lounge may not be exact. It may be a bait. Everything may suddenly change once she enters the room and thinks she has taken you for granted. I think the best thing to do is to detect any bad / unwelcome / changed attitude and end the session immediately. [/QUOTE]All this get in very grey area quickly. If you do not have any touching and you decide to stop and leave, if within a few minutes, it is possible. Ninja has done this maybe 2 times in many years, and all because things not clearly discussed before going up, just wow let"s go. Bad idea with strangers.

But how will depend on you and girl and possible negotiation about it. If she is cool, and you are cool saying look I don"t want to make scene but chemistry just not right let us stop, she may simply agree. If you have already spent 5-10 minutes in room, you could offer 10-20 Euro or so because she has theoretically given up other offers for you. It will all depend on what you discussed before zimmer. You need to be prepared and maybe say to girl "we will go to front desk and discuss". That can work in your favor as girls will not want any scene that damage their reputation in front of management and they will consider how likely they could win in eyes of management etc. Sometimes 10-20 Euro to avoid all this good compromise and good to save face both sides. Management usually pretty fair but of course your risk is they side with girl and you pay full 60. It will all depend on situation and how long you have been in room before you decide.

Point is you really to avoid all this, so at all times be polite and must really try to be clear on expectations and good vibe of mutual attraction before going up to room. Always better to talk a little before deciding, and especially if your have expectations of certain acts get all very clear. Better for everyone. If you have doubt do not go upstairs. Plenty of other options.

My first time at an infamous FKK club a few weeks ago. I'm not sure what to write that hasn't been said about Artemis, but here's my report:

I had only one day to check the club out and unfortunately it fell on a wed (lingerie day). Took the S-Bahn over from Charlottenburg, super easy. Arrived around 14:00 and the place was moderately busy. For me it was fine with about a 1:5 ratio men to women. I'm terrible with names so I'll try and describe these girls (regulars will probably know who they are).

Girl 1.

I made a real amateur move and went for the hottest thing within range of me. This turned out to be a petite Romanian hustler who approached me (I think she said Polish but she was definitely Romanian) tattoos, large bolt-ONS, cute face, terrible service. First she made me super self-conscious about the condoms I brought. Like will the other girls give me the same issue? Secondly, it was mechanical and had trouble finishing with all her distracting bitchiness. I barely remember but I think I jerked myself off and finished on her large fake tits.

Girl 2.

Determined to not make the same mistake twice I took my time. I told myself the next one I will make a move based entirely on chemistry, I will approach her, discuss details upfront, etc etc. So I hung out for a bit just observing people, and this slim dark haired Greek or Macedonian about 23 walks in. She wasn't what you would consider conventionally beautiful, but she had a fit body and her face did something for me, sometimes I like girls with interesting features. Anyway, she didn't seem all that popular, with the customers nor the clique of Romanian chicks watching like hawks by the entrance. I bet she was not a regular at the club. Started a conversation with her, seemed like a cool girl, made sure to mention the condoms I brought, not a problem, moved to a room. Had a fun time. This girl took her time, acted like she genuinely enjoyed sex, gave great overall service.

Girl 3.

So while I was waiting for Girl 2, I was approached by a few pros. One was a petite Blonde German about 27 I'd guess. I didn't pick her since I wanted to choose my girl for round 2, but she was super cool and hung out for bit chatting, not really trying to push her services. So after Girl 2 I run into the German in the movie theater where we start making out on one of the couches, she starts fondling (such a pro) and of course its difficult to resist the urge at this point and I'm like BBBJ now please. Actually we had great Chemistry and she may have been stroking the ego in addition to other things, but she seemed totally into the shape of my member. We moved to the room off to the side and she was a talented lay. Didn't feel rushed, in fact she was acting super sweet and I dug it. I'm also guessing she assumed I was younger than her (which I don't think I am, but I look very young).

All the girls charged the same standard rate which everyone pays by the way.

At this point, I'm getting fairly hungry and not wanting to eat the club food, I decide 3 rounds are enough and head out. In all, Artemis lives up to the hype for me. I'll have to try FKKs in other cities next time I find myself in Deutschland. You guys have a great thing going for you.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1941839]This is exactly the reason for my question. The chat at the lounge may not be exact. It may be a bait. Everything may suddenly change once she enters the room and thinks she has taken you for granted. I think the best thing to do is to detect any bad / unwelcome / changed attitude and end the session immediately. Because in the 5-10 minutes during which you guys talk, she could have found another customer. So I think its only fair to allow a 1-2 minute decision making time, and it doesn't need more in my opinion.

By the way, in case you leave the room in 1 minute and break the deal, can she hold anything against you? I mean can she go to the front desk and complain? I don't think they (Artemis management) have the right to interfere, do they?[/QUOTE]If that happen to me, then I will short the session to 30 min and I will fuck her so hard from doggy position to punish her and only damage would be 60 euro and her destroyed pussy LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1942429]I will fuck her so hard from doggy position to punish her and only damage would be 60 euro and her destroyed pussy LOL.[/QUOTE]Did not know you can major in etiquette at Trump University.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1941839]I don't think they (Artemis management) have the right to interfere, do they?[/QUOTE]Officially no. It's a deal between her and you. She can always call the police if she thinks you owe her money for services she offered.

HB.

[QUOTE=FunkiMonki;1939986]The Artemis website says that they will have free beer next Thursday to celebrate their 11th anniversary. What effect is that likely to have on the attendance and atmosphere of the club?[/QUOTE]I attended last years party, it was a cock fest, to many guests, difficult to take a girl to a room, only had one early session, all ladies wore dresses, good BBQ and fireworks though.

I had a good time time when I attended Artemis 9 years birthday party.

Sex with two of my favorite ebony girls and free beer. It was very crowded at the party though.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1942837]Officially no. It's a deal between her and you. She can always call the police if she thinks you owe her money for services she offered.

HB.[/QUOTE]Berlin police will come again with pleasure leading 900 police officers according to media reports LOL.

I never had money issue with girls at Artemis, they are pretty straight up, bad service, sometimes, but I found service is worst in Hessen for that.

This is my first party.

The girls are dressed. Some looked better dressed than usual. Some the other way around.

I scored early with Cassandra 23 yo half Turk half Caucasian girl from Dortmund. Has light brown hair, Turkish eyes, small body, nice backend.

Despite early up sell attempt for prostate massage (her on me), back door exploration (me on her) and a meek attempt at payment for kissing scam (really! We settled in for an hour during which she showed major resilience in BBBJ department ending in CIM.

The place then became packed with high sausage density, mostly pleasant, a couple really drunk on the free beer, smoke in main bar area very formidable.

There were extended dance performances including recurrent south american themes.

The food was good, Oxen on a spit, alternative was pork with a variety of vegetable dishes, various Ofal dishes from the Ox.

Not a bad night out but if you want to do the business, there is always tomorrow.

Planning my first trip to a FKK club next week in Berlin. It has to be Artemis by what I've read.

Do the girls supply condoms for the session or do you have to bring your own? Not quite sure how the whole FKK thing works, but I'll do my research before going in.

Looking for some big fake tits ladies while in Berlin. Either in FKK's or independents / agency.

Big fake tits. Artemis is the place to go. And the girls will have condoms. The standard ones. Any special requirements on rubber. Bring your own.

HB.

[QUOTE=BusinessMan123;1944502]Planning my first trip to a FKK club next week in Berlin. It has to be Artemis by what I've read.

Do the girls supply condoms for the session or do you have to bring your own? Not quite sure how the whole FKK thing works, but I'll do my research before going in.

Looking for some big fake tits ladies while in Berlin. Either in FKK's or independents / agency.[/QUOTE]As Artemis is the only club in town I'd say yes.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1935533]It was Sunday evening I visited Artemis and banged Evan. I did not have any other girls, better to quit when you are winning!

Cheers, FF.[/QUOTE]A big thanks to Finnish Fucker for his updated intel. Decided to make the journey back to Artemis two weekends ago on a Saturday to see Evan after missing out on her during the IFA in early September.

Arrived early evening and was informed by reception she was working that night. But after looking around for a couple of hours, I was starting to think if she was truly there. Then lo and behold I saw her. Apparently she starts work at around 9 pm. Long dark brown hair, mini bra-less corset and tight cutoff denim mini-skirt exposing her gorgeous pussy. Also wearing thick black framed glasses. Smoking hot slim body with nice silicon B's and nipples that would poke your eyes out if they were faced in your direction close up.

At first, I didn't recognize her because she had changed hair color from light brown to her natural color which was dark brown and I partially forgotten what her face looked like. But on closer inspection, I remembered that Olivia Wilde (actress) twinkle in her eyes and facial resemblance and off to the races we went. Really nice girl and great Optifick.

She'll be around to mid-October then taking a break for a few weeks. Hope to catch her again in late November when I return to Germany.

Howie.

Ventured here on rainy Saturday.

Briefly went with.

Mary 29.5 yo 165 cm Bulgarian blonde. Familiar territory. Did not disappoint.

Suna 23 yo 158 cm Thai girl born in Germany now from Hamburg. First meeting very wet pussy, provocative encouragement, super FK, nice girl, quite stunning. GFE.

Kimberly. Now 26-27 yo Barbados / German mix 172 cm from Hamburg - 4-5 years ago a regular at Art. Now 4-5 days per month due to other commitments. Loud and encouraging once into the deal. DATY /69 well received. Made me cum in condom during FK. This is rare, combination of active folk dancing, cute face, coercive statements, mutual playing. She still has it.

A good day out.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1944543]Looking for some big fake tits ladies while in Berlin. Either in FKK's or independents / agency.[/QUOTE]J- Some sometimes at A but make advanced search also on Berlin Intim and Kaufmich. Many other options. Example [URL]http://www.berlinintim.de/sedcard-calida-41508.html?t=Lj0OW[/URL]. Also check Holly & Gizelle @ van Kampen and Klaudia @ Ginas Tango Rosa. In Berlin Bordellos thread.

This is a repost from the Berlin thread.

Berlin is a fantastic city for sex. It is 24/7, legal, with high quality.

It may be the best place for clubbing and sex in Europe.

Spent the afternoon until about midnight in Artemis on a Saturday. Earlier in the day the place was quiet, with maybe 20 girls total and 40-50 men. The breakfast had been out a while but was still decent. It was quite warm outside with bright sun so many people were outside. As this was not such a nice summer people were appreciative and in a good mood due to the gorgeous weather.

Some sharks tried playing some games soon after finishing eating. One girl who I thought was having a friendly conversation as it was my first time walked upstairs with me to show me the place. She immediately demanded 60 Euros. I laughed and told her I was not ready to go with a girl. She threatened to have me kicked out if I didn't pay. I told her good luck and walked myself back down the stairs. The other sharks were upset. I said, "If you would have not tried to scam me I would have gone with you in some time. Why would you treat people like this?" Their only response was an indignant, "Time is money. ".

To brush off the experience I decided to hit the weights in the gym. Worked about for about 45 minutes while chatting with some girls who were working out in their break. They were hot blonde German women.

I asked them if they worked there and they laughed. "Work?" They smiled at each other and walked to the showers.

In the gym I met a group of guys who were aimlessly wandering around. Decided to chat with them for a while. We decided to go upstairs and see how the scene was. We decided to get a drink and relax on the couches.

After 15 minutes or so I spotted a stunning Turkish girl who was about 5'11". She looked like a runway model. Smoking a cigarette, she gave me an inviting glance. Decided to stop and talk with her.

She mentioned 30 minutes was 60 Euros and included BBBJ. After we went up to the room.

She started by sucking me quite hard for about 15 minutes. Her technique, even with coaching, was a little rough for me. She finally found a decent rhythm and got me hard. After I motioned, she put a condom on me. We fucked in missionary, doggy, and had her ride me cowgirl. I finally finished in missionary. She gave me a naughty look while she played with herself. She did give a massage of five minutes to start the session.

After, I hit the showers and came back to have some water. The cappucino was excellent, also. Beers are 10 Euros and you must buy tokens. Thankfully you have to pay because later I think things may get out of hand if they had unlimited free alcohol.

The group I met decided to have some of the dinner which had just come out. It was excellent.

Some Chile con carne dish. Really top notch food and fruits available. Healthy options if you want it.

After eating we hung out in the pool and hot tub. The weather was perfect, and many men were outside.

We met some other men who were alone and open to chat. It was great having to make friends there as no electronic devices are allowed in public. We chatted for about an hour while getting some sun.

After we decided to go in. I immediately spotted a girl darker girl. She was from Romania. She had some different lingere on. We hit it off quickly and I decided to take her. Same deal as the last girl.

We went to a different room. She started with sucking me. She did not have the best technique. After maybe 10 minutes we decided to go at it. She was rather passive in the event. It was hard to stay motivated. She could tell I was having a hard time staying interested and did a little more to try and make it exciting. After a while I finally found a good rhythm with her and finished in doggy style.

After returning it was dark outside. Many more men and women had arrived. Decided to drink some more and eat some more food. Wasn't sure if I was going to take another girl or not. And then I saw her.

A girl named Alejandra, a name I will not forget, walked across who was exactly what I was looking for.

Hot little spinner, natural red hair, light skin from Spain. She was 31 years old. Gorgeous. All natural, as were all the other women I took.

I had to wait for her to finish talking with an older man before I got my chance. We talked briefly. I immediately took her. To say it was the best session was an understatement. She immediately started with BBBJ when entering the room, not even bothering to wash me off first like the other girls had. She had a passion the other girls did not have. I was so drained that I felt I could last forever. She reminded me I had to finish soon as we were over time. I finally found the right groove and finished the best in missionary with her. She was genuinely moaning and rubbing my body. Perfect.

We laid there for about five minutes and talked some. She was really into it. A true GFE. We both went downstairs where it was absolutely ridiculous. Many guys were lining up along the railing to the stairs, hoping to get the first chance at their girl of choice. It was around 11 PM.

I hung out with my new friends a while as they watched and complained about how many guys there were.

If you hadn't had your fill by then you were out of luck. It was way too packed. Realizing I wasn't going to take any more girls I decided to head out. The music in the venue was excellent, for those who are interested. Did not see any girls dancing on the poles when I was there.

I'll talk about my experiences at the 24/7 brothels of Berlin next, as I spent most of my time in Aston and Stella.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1942827]Did not know you can major in etiquette at Trump University.[/QUOTE]Oh well said sir! ROFL!

Hey fellas,

Got a few questions. I'll start with the weirdest one to get this nonsense out of the system:

1. In Amsterdam, I've been with two girls. Both of them addressed the larger size of my penis (it's around 7 x6. 5), and one of them said that penetration would cost extra because of that. I hope that's nonsense and I'll hear none of that in Artemis, what do you say?

2. I'm arriving to Berlin in around 17:00 PM Thursday. That means I'll arrive to Artemis minimum on 20:00 that day. Is it a good day? Is it too late? Has anyone stayed in until late night? What I consider good = Not very crowded, and some nice amount of women to choose. I'm not very experienced with this stuff (the 2 prost. In Amsterdam were my first experiences).

3. I'm a bit ashamed of my body. I'm slightly overweight and slightly hairy, I know this is silly. But I expect no one will give me any hard time about my looks.

4. What's the time you recommend staying in the place? Is it safe leaving it -alone- in after night hours (2-3 AM)?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ned123;1945457]Hey fellas,

Got a few questions. I'll start with the weirdest one to get this nonsense out of the system:

1. In Amsterdam, I've been with two girls. Both of them addressed the larger size of my penis (it's around 7 x6. 5), and one of them said that penetration would cost extra because of that. I hope that's nonsense and I'll hear none of that in Artemis, what do you say?

2. I'm arriving to Berlin in around 17:00 PM Thursday. That means I'll arrive to Artemis minimum on 20:00 that day. Is it a good day? Is it too late? Has anyone stayed in until late night? What I consider good = Not very crowded, and some nice amount of women to choose. I'm not very experienced with this stuff (the 2 prost. In Amsterdam were my first experiences).

3. I'm a bit ashamed of my body. I'm slightly overweight and slightly hairy, I know this is silly. But I expect no one will give me any hard time about my looks.

4. What's the time you recommend staying in the place? Is it safe leaving it -alone- in after night hours (2-3 AM)?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nothing to worry about on all 4 points. Only thing that matter is size of your wallet.

[QUOTE=Ned123;1945457]1. I've been with two girls. Both of them addressed the larger size of my penis (it's around 7 x6. 5), and one of them said that penetration would cost extra because of that. I hope that's nonsense and I'll hear none of that in Artemis, what do you say?[/QUOTE]Ninja now cannot sleep thinking about this thing you packing. Too much info. Sound like Rubik's Pube. But as long as not put in nose or ear, should be no problem.

[QUOTE]2. I'm arriving to Berlin in around 17:00 PM Thursday. That means I'll arrive to Artemis minimum on 20:00 that day. Is it a good day? Is it too late? Has anyone stayed in until late night? What I consider good = Not very crowded, and some nice amount of women to choose.[/QUOTE]2000 good time to start. Friday and Saturday maybe slightly more girls, will be more crowded after 2300-Thurs fine won't be problem.

[QUOTE]3. I'm a bit ashamed of my body. I'm slightly overweight and slightly hairy, I know this is silly. But I expect no one will give me any hard time about my looks.[/QUOTE]Half men at Artemis look like this. You will feel like you are in big family of many brothers. In A, Euros uber alles and make everyone handsome. Also beer.

[QUOTE]4. What's the time you recommend staying in the place? Is it safe leaving it -alone- in after night hours (2-3 AM)?[/QUOTE]Safe area generally. Just keep eyes open going north then east from tire garage over bridge from street to S Bahn station if you go that way. Should not be a problem. Going south to Kronprins Hotel also fine.

Thank you for the kind answer.

As this is going to cost a lot, I wouldn't want to take the risk. Is there a place in Berlin where I can buy any help like Kamagra or (less preferred) cialis? Off the counter I guess.

Friday morning checked out of my room in Schneberg, and took the S-bahn ring clockwise up to Artemis, got off at Halensee stn, this is a good tip if coming from this direction, as there is a bank and ATM across the road, and then you can walk to Artemis in 5 minutes.

Arrived early at about 11:30, place was obviously still quiet, especially as they'd just had the 11 year party the night before, I got showered and walked into the lounge, ordered a espresso, and got chatting to Priscilla and her mate, she is a German blonde barbie type, with large boobs and tattoos, told her I'd come find her later. Had a walk about and got some lunch, back in the lounge I spotted Mya, she is a pretty Hungarian brunette, I have known her from previous trips, as I've taken her friend but not her, she was friendly and was trying to get me to do a 3 some with her friend, I rarely ever do 3 somes, but I would of taken Mya, not sure why I didn't, guess I had no rush to punt, so went downstairs to the wellness area, and took a sauna and a dip in the pool.

Priscilla half hour.

The time was about 14:30 so fancied a first punt of the day, Priscilla was still about, so went over to her at the bar, and we were soon off to a room, I've sessioned with her a couple of times, and she is good, so was looking forward to it, she has the fake barbiedoll look, long blonde hair extensions to her waist, toned and tanned size 10 body with lots of tattoos, large fake 700 CC implants, pumped lips.

This woman looks like a pornstar, and also performs like one, Priscilla was fine with me playing with her big boobs, and she kissed lightly, OWO was very well done, and she did not rush or try to upsell to CIM, let her carry on sucking me, did various positions, she took a good pounding.

Took a rest and a drink at the bar, got talking to a German-Thai girl called Suna, quite pretty 23 yr old, she seemed like a fun girl, but as I'd just returned from the room wanted a break, unfortunately I never saw Suna later that evening. I decided to leave and check into the hostel only a short distance away, wanted somewhere to get a few hours kip, bed in 6 bed dorm 13, made my bed and headed back to Artemis.

Back at the club I was in the lounge again, and was chatting to Vanity, she's a pretty German-African girl, who I'd sessioned last year, made a note to put her on the list.

Anja half hour.

A little later I got talking to her friend Anja, she was a cute young German blonde girl, slim size 8, small boobs light tan and few tattoos, she was bubbly and funny in the bar, and I fancied a second punt, so off we went, another good punt, decent OWO, and sex in several positions, wasn't amazing but efficient.

By this time I was starving, so got some dinner, which wasn't bad, potato and meatballs. Wasn't in a rush for another session, even though girls were trying to tempt me, I sat in the lounge, on one of the mattresses to the side, and watched the room for talent, I spotted my evil nemesis the Hungarian MILF Virginia, the one hooker at Artemis who hates my guts! Not guilty gents, as shaggy said it wasn't me! Maybe she mistook me for someone else, but anyway she totally ignores me, no tell a lie she did actually look at me a couple of times that evening.

I went down to the sauna, for a sweat, I used to be able to take it, wanted out after 10 minutes, boy the ice water pool woke me up! Had a bit of a swim in the main pool, then got a drink at the downstairs bar.

Alessandra half hour.

Took a wander back upstairs, time was 10 pm and club was fairly busy, was looking for Suna or another target, bumped into Alessandra, said she was Spanish, petite brunette of 32, told me all the things she wanted to do to me, with many girls it's all talk, but got a good vibe with her, so off we went upstairs, now this girl was all over me, DFK and soon on her knees sucking me off, in fact even gagging PSE on my dick, this lady was true to her words, let her carry on oral for a good while, then got condom on and did doggy, and Mish to finish.

It was getting late, but the club would go on till 5 am, so still had several hours left, but didn't plan to stay all night, there was a cute young brunette with glasses that I've seen at the club before, never got to chat to her before, every time I saw her back in the lounge she was with another guy, so popular girl, just one of those things, will try harder next time.

Anna half hour.

Now the last punt of the night was a sexy busty blonde Romanian called Anna, she tempted me at the bar, looked hot, and was funny, not to sharky, so took her to a room, a very enjoyable 30 minutes, good oral and sex in several positions, no rush to make me cum, would repeat with Anna.

I took the usual shower and got a drink in the lounge, people watched for a bit, then got bored and tired, so left at about 3 am, short taxi back to my hostel.

Saturday.

I returned to Artemis Saturday evening at 8 pm, had flight home on Sunday morning so planed on staying to closing, the place was fairly busy, with some talent in the lounge, went and got some dinner, then sat in the lounge, there was a few girls I liked the look of, but wasn't in a big rush to session, so went downstairs for a sauna and swim.

Came back up half hour or so later, I was walking around the lounge, and bumped into a guy from another board called Ben, had no idea he's be at Artemis, so had a chat with him in the lounge, and took a walk about together looking for a girl.

Ben went to the room with a Austrian blonde, forgot her name, she had tried to tempt me earlier, but wasn't sure, but apparently she was a good session. I was looking for a session, the few girls on my list all seemed to be busy, and struggled to find someone I liked, but that's just me becoming to fussy.

Erika half hour.

At about 4 am a hour till closing the choice had really thinned out, and downstairs by the kino bumped into Erika a brunette MILF in her 40's with large fake tits, straight to the room by kino, OWO was good, but a few times she tried to rush into sex, but I stopped her, until I was ready, sex in a few positions, but Erika really hates sweat, I was shagging away and of course I will be sweaty, this got in the way, and hampered me from cumming, gave up at 30 minutes, and called it a night, got train to airport.

I was hoping to see Jenna back at the club, but she is still off work, fingers crossed she will return.

Hi guys, Jenna was supposed to come back in August-September. Can anybody confirm if she's back to Artemis? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=RioDeJaneiro1;1946203]Hi guys, Jenna was supposed to come back in August-September. Can anybody confirm if she's back to Artemis? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Sorry guys, just read the post below mine. She's not back. Very sad. Are there other girls with her boob size at Artemis? I want to give it a try if that's the case. I'm used to Frankfurt, close to France. Berlin is a long way, must be worth it. I share the same views as Mr. Ho. Palace Frankfurt has stunners although sharky. Sharks is volatile, sometimes some nice surprises but rather stable in LU. Oase is falling in pieces, poor LU and new trend of sharkiness which was not the case before. Remember of a very poor experience with a busty albanian at Oase. Never again. As a result, need to try new places. Hesitating between Paradise Saarbrucken and Artemis. Who has more sillies will win. So far, paradise seems less sharky but Artemis looks more silliconed. Life is tough. Any advice more than welcomed. I consider myself as a newbie, only 12 FKK visits in my counter so far, all in Franfkfurt.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1946131]

I was hoping to see Jenna back at the club, but she is still off work, fingers crossed she will return.[/QUOTE]Hi, many thanks for this report. Did you see any girl with the same boob size as Jenna?

[QUOTE=RioDeJaneiro1;1946206]Hi, many thanks for this report. Did you see any girl with the same boob size as Jenna?[/QUOTE]There are some Barbie types with 700-800 CC, but nothing as big as Jenna, you could look for Priscilla and Virginia.

I think the biggest boobs at this moment are Hollys boobs. Holly is a German girl, I estimate them from 800-1000.

HI Guys,

I am thinking about Visiting Artemis I wanted to know how is the line up currently in Artemis? Which is the best day to visit Artemis? Is there any upselling that exists in Artemis? And how to reach Artemis? Can anyone please help me with this information. Are there only Silicone Girls in Artemis? Compared to Frankfurt FKK's is the entry in Artemis 80€ and is half an hour session 60€ compared to the 50€ in Frankfurt FKK's ?

Don't know how it's currently but I guess it's good. Not sure which day is the best. I would say Friday or Saturday. Wednesday is the lingerie day. Yes there are upselling. You can reach Artemis easy by S-Bahn.

There used to be many silicone girls. Yes prices are what you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Guy93;1946476]Don't know how it's currently but I guess it's good. Not sure which day is the best. I would say Friday or Saturday. Wednesday is the lingerie day. Yes there are upselling. You can reach Artemis easy by S-Bahn.

There used to be many silicone girls. Yes prices are what you mentioned.[/QUOTE]So when you say there is upselling that exists in Artemis for what all does it exists? Does the standard session include Kissing, DATY or is it extra for that? I am not interested in CIM but even for Kissing and DATY is it extra?

Can you please tell me exactly how to reach Artemis by S-Bahn? Like which number? Frankfurt clubs 30 minutes session is 50€ so Artemis is 60?

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1946498]So when you say there is upselling that exists in Artemis for what all does it exists? Does the standard session include Kissing, DATY or is it extra for that? I am not interested in CIM but even for Kissing and DATY is it extra?

Can you please tell me exactly how to reach Artemis by S-Bahn? Like which number? Frankfurt clubs 30 minutes session is 50 so Artemis is 60?[/QUOTE]If you have actually done any research and read this thread you will know it's 60€ at Artemis, transport has been mentioned numerous times, if you google map Artemis you will see nearby S-bahn station Westkreuz, I was there last weekend, the LU was good, but it gets busy late evening, yes upselling does occur, I was asked if I wanted CIM a couple of times, but when I declined not mentioned again, kissing doesn't seem that common these days, but I'm not that bothered.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1946511]If you have actually done any research and read this thread you will know it's 60 at Artemis, transport has been mentioned numerous times, if you google map Artemis you will see nearby S-bahn station Westkreuz, I was there last weekend, the LU was good, but it gets busy late evening, yes upselling does occur, I was asked if I wanted CIM a couple of times, but when I declined not mentioned again, kissing doesn't seem that common these days, but I'm not that bothered.[/QUOTE]So is it uncommon that the girl would kiss in a standard 30 minutes 60€ session? And further how to go to Artemis from Westkreuz station?

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1946521]And further how to go to Artemis from Westkreuz station?[/QUOTE]Exit the station, pass the parking lot, go left 200 meters, go left into Artemis parking. You can't miss!

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1946521]So is it uncommon that the girl would kiss in a standard 30 minutes 60 session? And further how to go to Artemis from Westkreuz station?[/QUOTE]Some will kiss others won't, if it's that important ask before taking a girl to a room, you want directions from the station to Artemis? You'll be needing help to find a hooker in a brothel next fella, look at the map, you can even see it in streetview.

[URL]https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Artemis/@52.499612[/URL], 13.2806907,17 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x47 a850 ce91 e30 a01:0 xb2547536 be255797!8 m2!3 d52.4994736!4 d13.2823554?hl=en.

Hi,

Just return from Artemis with mixed feeling, its seems that the are no new girls and line up just get older and older and no new young comers. Its not a bad experience to come back and it my first FKK I visited so I have a good memory of it but one of my regular (Tara) is missing and Frankfurt seems now a better place for FKK vacation.

Just thinking about Frankfurt, what is better from this 3 (Manhenten, world, place)?

[QUOTE=Holonia;1946742]Just thinking about Frankfurt, what is better from this 3 (Manhenten, world, place)?[/QUOTE]Sharks! *.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1946131]
It was getting late, but the club would go on till 5 am, so still had several hours left, but didn't plan to stay all night, there was a cute young brunette with glasses that I've seen at the club before, never got to chat to her before, every time I saw her back in the lounge she was with another guy, so popular girl, just one of those things, will try harder next time.
[/QUOTE]Could be Evan. Did she have silicon tits (B cup) with pointed nipples? Tallish, slightly tanned and slim with no tattoos?

The only other girl I know who wear glasses is Samantha but she doesn't seem to fit your spec as described. Bulgarian, fake tits (C cup), dark blond hair, some body tattoos, MILF-look.

Howie.

Forgot-a week ago, Stern magazine had cover article "The Artemis File". How it really works. Nothing really new to ISG but anyway. Phariser is resident scholar on all this stuff.

[URL]http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/job/die-akte-artemis--der-stern-blickt-hinter-die-kulissen-des-luxusbordells-7080166.html[/URL]

Article says 25 M revenue, 3 M profit per year. IPO might mean Initial Pussy Offering (if not grabbed by Trump). Gentlemen: Start your (translator) engines.

Is this club worth going to? I was rather bored last time I was there. No girls with good personalities, all really much too professional for my tastes. I am thinking of trying [URL]ohlala.com[/URL] and maybe wayfare-escort.de

[QUOTE=Holonia;1946742]Hi,

Just return from Artemis with mixed feeling, its seems that the are no new girls and line up just get older and older and no new young comers. Its not a bad experience to come back and it my first FKK I visited so I have a good memory of it but one of my regular (Tara) is missing and Frankfurt seems now a better place for FKK vacation.

Just thinking about Frankfurt, what is better from this 3 (Manhenten, world, place)?[/QUOTE]So did you not go room with any lady?

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1947004]
Article says 25 M revenue, 3 M profit per year. [/QUOTE]But the 25 M revenue include also the total revenues of the club girls. And article says half makes club, that means mainly with entry fees from guys and girls plus the revenues for alcohol drinks and rent for dorms. That mean Artemis has for the 361 open days at average about 400 paying guests and girls. The 12,5 M revenues for the girls mean with an daily average of 100 girls a daily revenue of about 350 Euro, with daily average of 70 girls around 500 euro per day. The revenues for the club they can find at Artemis accounts but the revenues for the girls can only be a rough estimation.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;1945360]
Berlin is a fantastic city for sex. It is 24/7, legal, with high quality.

It may be the best place for clubbing and sex in Europe. [/QUOTE]Berlin is great city for clubbing and has vivid night life. But for paysex there are much better options in Germany and better FKK clubs than Artemis.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1947183]Berlin is great city for clubbing and has vivid night life. But for paysex there are much better options in Germany and better FKK clubs than Artemis.[/QUOTE]Best is in the eye of the beholder :-)

What is your favorite? Mine is the NRW region. Lots of clubs; lots of action.

[URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-prostitution-law-condoms-sex-workers-bundesrat-vote-approved-date-comes-in-brothels-illegal-a7326056.html[/URL] Would this new law coming in July remove bareback blowjobs from available activities at artemis?

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1947592][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-prostitution-law-condoms-sex-workers-bundesrat-vote-approved-date-comes-in-brothels-illegal-a7326056.html[/URL] Would this new law coming in July remove bareback blowjobs from available activities at artemis?[/QUOTE]If so, we mongers just have to go to Austria or Switzerland for FKK trip.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1947592][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-prostitution-law-condoms-sex-workers-bundesrat-vote-approved-date-comes-in-brothels-illegal-a7326056.html[/URL] Would this new law coming in July remove bareback blowjobs from available activities at artemis?[/QUOTE]RTTF. And yes.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1947757]RTTF. And yes.

HB.[/QUOTE]RTTF? What does that mean? I guess I better get over there before July. Have they begun any of those changes yet? When was the last time you went? Thanks for the reply!

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1947769]RTTF? What does that mean? I guess I better get over there before July. Have they begun any of those changes yet? When was the last time you went? Thanks for the reply![/QUOTE]Think Master HB meant RTFF I. E. Read the Fuking forum, LOL.

Yes you should def. Go there again before July next year unless you don't mind covered BJ.

Yes. Should have read RTFF.

No changes for BBBJ until July 17.

HB.

Arrived again on 3rd October. Nice outdoors but maybe a little to chilly. I liked the extension to the dining area. I met Gabriela from Poland again, another good session. Ginger from Moldova was next, another good session. I met a girl outside the down stair Kino. I was attracted by her smooth looks, German girl, slim, 1500 mm tall, forgot her name, not from Berlin, gave a good session. All the girls I have had recently have appeared to want to give a good session. All sessions for the standard 60 e. Artemis remains on my list of places to go. It is easy to get to from where I live, less than two hours flight.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1947668]If so, we mongers just have to go to Austria or Switzerland for FKK trip.[/QUOTE]Why go? I wouldn't, I'd stay in Germany. I visit the FKK clubs to get a tight pussy wrapped around my cock. I don't fancy too much about blowjobs. Bareback or covered, same for me. CBJ means less risks against STD's for the hookers and for me as well.

[QUOTE=RaviGoel;1947442]Best is in the eye of the beholder :-)

What is your favorite? Mine is the NRW region. Lots of clubs; lots of action.[/QUOTE]Both NRW and Hessen have better clubs than Artemis. But as said Berlin rocks as a city if you put mongering aside. Beats hands down Frankfurt or Dusseldorf.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1947790]

No changes for BBBJ until July 17.

HB.[/QUOTE]HB, you keep writing July 17th everywhere, whereas previous reports suggested July 1st as the Dooms Day date. Can you confirm for sure that the new effective date is planned to be July 17th (not July 1st) -- at least based on the current information available?

I would not normally quibble over this two week difference, but I have potential travel plans in the intervening period, so the effective date of this new law looks like it will be quite important to me. Any clarification here would be helpful and appreciated. July 17th would actually be so much better for me than July 1st.

I know that this post isn't Artemis specific, but this particular detail is urgent Code Red important!

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1947834]HB, you keep writing July 17th everywhere, whereas previous reports suggested July 1st as the Dooms Day date. Can you confirm for sure that the new effective date is planned to be July 17th (not July 1st) -- at least based on the current information available?
[/QUOTE]HB means with this July 2017. New law will be effective from July 1st, 2017, that mean in 263 days.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1947838]HB means with this July 2017. New law will be effective from July 1st, 2017, that mean in 263 days.[/QUOTE]Oh, now I see what he meant. Damn.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1947846]Oh, now I see what he meant. Damn.[/QUOTE]What are the chances of this law being repealed / challenged / overturned?

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1947805]I met a girl outside the down stair Kino. I was attracted by her smooth looks, German girl, slim, 1500 mm tall, forgot her name, not from Berlin, gave a good session. [/QUOTE]Curly hair? Maybe Nena.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1947853]What are the chances of this law being repealed / challenged / overturned?[/QUOTE]Low probability as the law has passed both the Bundestag and also the Upper House and is now just needing the President to sign the rules into law.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1947668]If so, we mongers just have to go to Austria or Switzerland for FKK trip.[/QUOTE]Where in Austria will you go? Have you been to FKK paradise in Graz? I wonder if Austria will follow this German law in the future?

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1948082]Where in Austria will you go? Have you been to FKK paradise in Graz? I wonder if Austria will follow this German law in the future?[/QUOTE]Ninja wonder if Samsung will rebrand Note 7 as a grenade.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1948082]Where in Austria will you go? Have you been to FKK paradise in Graz? I wonder if Austria will follow this German law in the future?[/QUOTE]Well I never went, but I will give a shot at GT Vienna.

If that is bad, I will go to Globe Zurich.

Only if this law was enforced to BBBJ meaning girls begin to enforce condom with BJ.

I guess next summer will be a good time to add a new forum section regarding Austrian FKK's. Or just change this 'german FKK' section into a 'European FKK' section. Then there wouldn't be a need to have the Dutch clubs down there along with the Lounge either. But who knows, maybe Germany won't change as much anyway. At least for regulars. Or semi regulars.

But untill then, at least we can discuss the bbbj here on the forum again and again and relive the glories of this art in our minds as much as we want. Perhaps the hype puts so much focus on the bbbj that it will feel twice as good throughout the next 9 months. Hehe

Hello folks,

This is my first time visiting an FKK club. I will be visiting Artemis on October 20,2016. I will probably spend around 6-8 hours there and do around 3-4 rounds.

I want to thank you for posting great reviews and extra information. However as the exciting day approaches, I am more and more curious on what I may expect.

I have some questions that will help with my expectations and any answer from you guys will be helpful.

Q1. I was planning to visit the club from 13:00 - 20:00. Hows the line up during those times? I mean how many girls will be there?

Q2. I heard that there was a raid recently. How are the line ups in terms of hotness?

Q3. Price still 60 euros for 30 minutes BJ and FS right?

Q4. Will the front desk or the girls ask me if I visited any FKK before?

Thank you for helping me on this.

[QUOTE=MichealRamdas;1948850]Hello folks,


Q4. Will the front desk or the girls ask me if I visited any FKK before?

Thank you for helping me on this.[/QUOTE]Yes and yes (maybe). At the desk they'll ask just to make sure you know how it all works. The girls might ask for one of two reasons:

1. They want to know if you understand the pricing.

2. They want to take advantage of your naive ways.

[QUOTE=MichealRamdas;1948850] Q1. I was planning to visit the club from 13:00 - 20:00. Hows the line up during those times? I mean how many girls will be there?[/QUOTE]Weak-only 10-15 girls during day, starts filling up after 1800. Much better in evenings, as discussed many times in thread.

[QUOTE]Q2. I heard that there was a raid recently. How are the line ups in terms of hotness?[/QUOTE]No effect. Police tried to tell all beautiful girls to leave so only uglies stay, but it did not work. Many choices as always. You will find 5+ for sure.

[QUOTE]Q3. Price still 60 euros for 30 minutes BJ and FS right?[/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE]Q4. Will the front desk or the girls ask me if I visited any FKK before?.[/QUOTE]Front desk ask only so you understand rules and prices. Girls may or may not ask. Not big issue but maybe better to say you have been at other FKKs (example Trump Tower in New York). Just be clear what you expect and agree on costs before going to room and make small talk to see if good vibe.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1949254]. Girls may or may not ask. Not big issue but maybe better to say you have been at other FKKs (example Trump Tower in New York). [/QUOTE]Only russians go there, so that might scare of a few of these eastern european girls...

A few russians once shot one of the bouncers at Artemis (just with air, but he got a deep wound), so that can mean bad rep.


http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-russian-mobster-tokhtakhounov-miss-universe-moscow

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1949254]Weak-only 10-15 girls during day, starts filling up after 1800.[/QUOTE]Objection, Your Honour! Things have changed once again. Some more girls during day time.

At NookyNinja.

10-15 girls when the club opens.

3 o'clock maybe 30 women.

6 o'clock about 50 girls or more.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1949460]Objection, Your Honour! Things have changed once again. Some more girls during day time.[/QUOTE]Professor Pharisaer, Super Suppenhuhn and all numbers dudes. Ninja was only trying to keep things simple. Numbers float around even by the different days of the week (Sun-Tues, even Wed slower during day, etc.). Point is while you can always find chemistry etc anytime, odds, and choices increase (like factor of 2-4) starting at about 1800, and certainly after 2000 when 95% of evening shift has arrived.

If you have favs, and they are on day shift, of course, even better. Much more chill scene, less smoke, better music. For someone who has only limited time to visit, if possible, scheduling around early evening when all are in, fresh, and place not overcrowded is optimal.

Hi all,

I am not sure if this's the best place to talk about this, but I will give it a try.

Last year I made some visits to different FKK clubs in Germany, and actually I enjoyed most of them, but after one of the visits, I became ill and the syndromes were very similar for catching HIV.

After a while, I did the test and everything was fine, but since then I am having difficulties with visiting any club again. I have some kind of phobia of catching HIV.

Recently I visited Artemis, and that didn't go very well, because I was trying to avoid any risky contact with the girls, and only stayed with handjob and kisses.

So I want to know your opinion about this matter. Do you think there's a big risk in having "safe" sex with sex workers? And by the way, one of the girls in Artemis told me that they're always do some tests for HIV, but I am not sure about that.

Thanks in advance.

BlackUnknown,

One of the most persuasive arguments in favor of legalized and regulated prostitution is the emphasis placed on safety and regular testing. I should think that no one who owns and operates an FKK wants to run the risk of losing everything because they are being lax with testing and then nasty stuff starts spreading to the customers. Of course there might always be exceptions for girls that are doing something they shouldn't, but if you are using protection it seems pretty safe. You could even ask for a condom during the BJ if you prefer (a glimpse of what's to come next year, I suppose).

Bottom line I think you are just as safe if not more so going with girls at FKK clubs as you are going with random women you meet out in the world. Especially if they are the type to have sex after just meeting.

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1949957]Do you think there's a big risk in having "safe" sex with sex workers? [/QUOTE]If you practice safer sex the risk of catching HIV in a FKK club is close to zero.

HB.

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1949957]Hi all,

I am not sure if this's the best place to talk about this, but I will give it a try.

Last year I made some visits to different FKK clubs in Germany, and actually I enjoyed most of them, but after one of the visits, I became ill and the syndromes were very similar for catching HIV.

After a while, I did the test and everything was fine, but since then I am having difficulties with visiting any club again. I have some kind of phobia of catching HIV.

Recently I visited Artemis, and that didn't go very well, because I was trying to avoid any risky contact with the girls, and only stayed with handjob and kisses.

So I want to know your opinion about this matter. Do you think there's a big risk in having "safe" sex with sex workers? And by the way, one of the girls in Artemis told me that they're always do some tests for HIV, but I am not sure about that.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You're much more likely to catch other STD's. But not HIV. It's actually pretty hard to catch HIV with safe sex.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1947912]Curly hair? Maybe Nena.[/QUOTE]I remember straight hair, young face. I saw her first as I walked through the sliding doors and passed the bar. She sat with a very erect posture and looked straight ahead. That with her smooth looks made me notice her. I got the feeling that maybe she was a little inexperienced in the room or perhaps just new to Artemis. The name sounds familiar though. I will return on the 24th October and will look for her then.

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1949957]Hi all,

I am not sure if this's the best place to talk about this, but I will give it a try.

Last year I made some visits to different FKK clubs in Germany, and actually I enjoyed most of them, but after one of the visits, I became ill and the syndromes were very similar for catching HIV.

After a while, I did the test and everything was fine, but since then I am having difficulties with visiting any club again. I have some kind of phobia of catching HIV.

Do you think there's a big risk in having "safe" sex with sex workers? And by the way, one of the girls in Artemis told me that they're always do some tests for HIV, but I am not sure about that.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]It is correct the girls are regularly tested in Artemis. That doesn't provide much protection against STI's as there is always the risk that the guy who she gave BBBJ to immediately before you was infected, so when she gives you the same, so is she and now you are. But the chances of this happening are very very slim indeed. You'd need to be incredibly unlucky. But if you get STD you can get antibiotics to cure chlamydia. Gonorrhoea is treatable by antibiotics or at least it was. It is now becoming very resistant to such drugs and there are strains in the US an in Europe which fight off the drugs. But your concern is about HIV and as has been said by several members already your risk if you practice safe sex is VERY low indeed.

I had panic about this 3 years ago when I had a fantastic two weeks in Thailand and had a lot of sex. The girls there often use very poor quality condoms and on 5 occasions they broke whilst I was having sex. I was very concerned because this effectively amounted to having unprotected sex with Thai sex workers. Positively dangerous, and on my part. Stupid. But I got checked out and was absolutely fine. The risk is still low for the person who is penetrating. Still foolish of me.

Your risk of this in an FKK is much lower. Girls tend to use very heavyweight good quality condoms which are actually a nuisance as they don't feel too good sometimes and are nowhere near as good as Sagami condoms from the Far East but they are very safe and I've only ever had one break in an FKK with a girl in Artemis by way of coincidence but I was really going at it hard in doggy.

So all in all, your risk of HIV is very low. It is not 100% safe. In which case if you are that concerned about it, continue to have HJs. Nothing wrong with that and you are guaranteed not to get HIV. You still get to touch some beautiful girls, enjoy the views in the club, and can do so with virtually no risks at all. A happy safe mind is better than the horrible worry if you make mistakes.

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1949957]Hi all,

I am not sure if this's the best place to talk about this, but I will give it a try.

Last year I made some visits to different FKK clubs in Germany, and actually I enjoyed most of them, but after one of the visits, I became ill and the syndromes were very similar for catching HIV.

After a while, I did the test and everything was fine, but since then I am having difficulties with visiting any club again. I have some kind of phobia of catching HIV.

Recently I visited Artemis, and that didn't go very well, because I was trying to avoid any risky contact with the girls, and only stayed with handjob and kisses.

So I want to know your opinion about this matter. Do you think there's a big risk in having "safe" sex with sex workers? And by the way, one of the girls in Artemis told me that they're always do some tests for HIV, but I am not sure about that.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Have you considered this lifestyle is not for you? Only handjobs and kisses wtf!

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1949957]So I want to know your opinion about this matter. Do you think there's a big risk in having "safe" sex with sex workers? And by the way, one of the girls in Artemis told me that they're always do some tests for HIV, but I am not sure about that.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Having multiple sexual partners will always increase the chance of getting STDs. And frequenting places such as Artemis will increase the chance substantially (due to girls having sex with many punters during her workday). However. Use of condom (greatly reduces chances of getting STDs) and biweekly checks of the girls (STD "epidemy" is easier to detect and contain) will decrease risk of STD greatly. In fact I would say that having safe sex in Artemis is much safer that with some promiscuous girl in your office or that you meet in a night club. Because THAT girl only goes to her doctor when the symptoms are obvious or in pain.

Ironically it seems that you are not scared about kissing despite kissing being excellent transmitter method of infections (normal ones and couple of STDs too).

So relax. If you want safest possible experience (except staying at home and avoiding having sex) that is also involves more than HJ, use condom always (BJ included) and avoid kissing.

Visiting Artemis on Thursday night (no report due to no new experiences) I was told by a girl that Jenna was back in Artemis couple of days and then she left.

Thanks all for you answers.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1950377]It is correct the girls are regularly tested in Artemis. That doesn't provide much protection against STI's as there is always the risk that the guy who she gave BBBJ to immediately before you was infected, so when she gives you the same, so is she and now you are. But the chances of this happening are very very slim indeed. You'd need to be incredibly unlucky. But if you get STD you can get antibiotics to cure chlamydia. Gonorrhoea is treatable by antibiotics or at least it was. It is now becoming very resistant to such drugs and there are strains in the US an in Europe which fight off the drugs. But your concern is about HIV and as has been said by several members already your risk if you practice safe sex is VERY low indeed.

I had panic about this 3 years ago when I had a fantastic two weeks in Thailand and had a lot of sex. The girls there often use very poor quality condoms and on 5 occasions they broke whilst I was having sex. I was very concerned because this effectively amounted to having unprotected sex with Thai sex workers. Positively dangerous, and on my part.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your detailed answer. As you said, there's always a risk of breaking a condom, that's why I have to think twice before taking any action.

By the way, I think there's a medicine you can take within 72 of having sex, which is called PEP (Post-exposure prophylaxis). Problem that it's not possible to buy it from a pharmacy as far as I understand.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1950387]Have you considered this lifestyle is not for you? Only handjobs and kisses wtf![/QUOTE]As I said, I enjoyed visiting the clubs before, but my worries are disturbing that now. I think it's not so weird to worry about my health, especially when we're taking about something dangerous as HIV.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1950387]Have you considered this lifestyle is not for you? Only handjobs and kisses wtf![/QUOTE]Well, to each their own. There are no rules in this regard.

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1949957]Hi all,

I am not sure if this's the best place to talk about this, but I will give it a try.

Last year I made some visits to different FKK clubs in Germany, and actually I enjoyed most of them, but after one of the visits, I became ill and the syndromes were very similar for catching HIV.

After a while, I did the test and everything was fine, but since then I am having difficulties with visiting any club again. I have some kind of phobia of catching HIV.

Recently I visited Artemis, and that didn't go very well, because I was trying to avoid any risky contact with the girls, and only stayed with handjob and kisses.

So I want to know your opinion about this matter. Do you think there's a big risk in having "safe" sex with sex workers? And by the way, one of the girls in Artemis told me that they're always do some tests for HIV, but I am not sure about that.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]That's a question for your doctor or just google the probability of being protected while using condoms, but I doubt you'll find any condom engineers or product managers here.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1950807]Well, to each their own. There are no rules in this regard.[/QUOTE]Yes true no rules, but it's like renting a Ferrari, and only doing 20 mph in first gear.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1950836]Yes true no rules, but it's like renting a Ferrari, and only doing 20 mph in first gear.[/QUOTE]Ah like most Americans do when they come to Germany, rent a fast car and get scared on the autobahn. (just kidding).

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1950846]. (just kidding).[/QUOTE]No you didn't.

Are there any new younger talents at the big A?! Especially with enhanced tits...

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1949254]Weak-only 10-15 girls during day, starts filling up after 1800. Much better in evenings, as discussed many times in thread.

No effect. Police tried to tell all beautiful girls to leave so only uglies stay, but it did not work. Many choices as always. You will find 5+ for sure.

Yes.

Front desk ask only so you understand rules and prices. Girls may or may not ask. Not big issue but maybe better to say you have been at other FKKs (example Trump Tower in New York). Just be clear what you expect and agree on costs before going to room and make small talk to see if good vibe.[/QUOTE]Thank you nooky and other members for answering my questions. Also any useful tips would be welcome.

Also, I came across some google reviews talking about stabbing and theft at that location. How safe is this place?

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1950790]Thanks all for you answers.

By the way, I think there's a medicine you can take within 72 of having sex, which is called PEP (Post-exposure prophylaxis). Problem that it's not possible to buy it from a pharmacy as far as I understand.

[/QUOTE]You are correct that you can vastly reduce a risk of HIV infection by taking a course of PEP and other drugs. None of which are available from a general pharmacy and will all need either prescription following consultation with a physician. Not even in Thailand can you buy these drugs over the counter.

PEP is not a wonder pill taken inside 72 hours. It is a course of tablets.

There is an STD forum on ISG and this discussion should be taken there rather than here if it develops beyond this post. You've raised it in relation to HIV risk in FKK clubs. The advice rendered by members already is not wrong. Your risks if you practice safe sex are very low. Moreover, you are not wrong not to be concerned. Members here are not telling you there is no risk. But that you need not worry as much as you appear to be if you practice safe sex. Yes a condom can split and as I said in previous post I've been there. But in FKK it is less common unless you have a a particularly large dick (not me. I wish!) and break condoms a lot due to sustained or "heavy" sex.

I think if you understood more about the low risk (based on safe sex) and also the effectiveness of PEP you would worry even less. I am therefore setting out some basic information though you should study it more fully if you are really that worried. The more you study the more you are likely to see that the advice given on here that safe sex is a very effective safeguard is very accurate.

You should know that in addition to PEP there are drugs you can take to lower your changes of contracting HIV at all. In PrEP studies, HIV negative people who are at high risk, take antiretroviral medication daily to try to lower their chances of becoming infected with HIV if they are exposed to it. Studies (July 2011) indicate that this might be 73% effective in preventing HIV in sero-discordant partners.

Post-exposure Prophylaxis (the PEP you refer to) is short-term antiretroviral treatment to reduce the likelihood of HIV infection after potential exposure, either occupationally or through sexual intercourse.

A study of pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), (the English PROUD study. Google it) demonstrated the highest effectiveness yet seen for this method of HIV prevention.

The effectiveness was 86%; for every 20 infections that might have occurred in participants, 17 were stopped by PEP. So it is highly effective. However you should know that the PEP is also VERY invasive and there are many side effects which very frequently occur so much so to prevent people taking the whole course. As you say, getting hold of these drugs is also NOT easy and you would need to visit a doctor, explain, satisfy him / her that you are very much at risk and why, and have them prescribe these drugs. Saying you've been to an FKK club will NOT satisfy those requirements. Saying you had unprotected sexual intercourse with a sex worker, or that a condom broke would be likely to get you prescribed. The costs of these drugs is also very expensive unless the state are paying but of course no price is too expensive to prevent HIV infection.

All in all. Given your concerns, I'd say either stay away from FKKs or similar facilities where a mix of stunning girls, desire, and maybe alcohol can combine to make you lose inhibitions and your safeguards, or otherwise, do as you say. Limit your risk by ensuring that every sexual encounter is safe. No kissing (correctly mentioned here by one other respondent) no oral WO condom and no sex WO (very rare in Fkks unless you press for and pay for it (my nick! Nothing wrong with attending, loving the view and the social bit and getting a covered blow job or uncovered HJ.

You probably have a greater risk of being hit by a car on the way to an FKK than of contacting HIV in one.

Whatever you decide. Enjoy. You're only here once.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MichealRamdas;1950903]

Also, I came across some google reviews talking about stabbing and theft at that location. How safe is this place?[/QUOTE]Very safe. No need to worry.

HB.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1950928]You are correct that you can vastly reduce a risk of HIV infection by taking a course of PEP and other drugs. None of which are available from a general pharmacy and will all need either prescription following consultation with a physician. Whatever you decide. Enjoy. You're only here once. [/QUOTE]Very helpful and well written, made ROD. Thanks.

At MichaelRamdas. Internet search full of BS. Especially unproven rumours. Like HB say, not a problem.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1950928]You are correct that you can vastly reduce a risk of HIV infection by taking a course of PEP and other drugs. None of which are available from a general pharmacy and will all need either prescription following consultation with a physician. Not even in Thailand can you buy these drugs over the counter.

PEP is not a wonder pill taken inside 72 hours. It is a course of tablets.

There is an STD forum on ISG and this discussion should be taken there rather than here if it develops beyond this post. You've raised it in relation to HIV risk in FKK clubs. The advice rendered by members already is not wrong. Your risks if you practice safe sex are very low. Moreover, you are not wrong not to be concerned. Members here are not telling you there is no risk. But that you need not worry as much as you appear to be if you practice safe sex. Yes a condom can split and as I said in previous post I've been there. But in FKK it is less common unless you have a a particularly large dick (not me. I wish!) and break condoms a lot due to sustained or "heavy" sex.

I think if you understood more about the low risk (based on safe sex) and also the effectiveness of PEP you would worry even less. I am therefore setting out some basic information though you should study it more fully if you are really that worried. The more you study the more you are likely to see that the advice given on here that safe sex is a very effective safeguard is very accurate..[/QUOTE]Thanks again for your answer. I liked what you said at the end that it's more likely to be hit by a car than catching HIV!

I think it's worth the small risk from time to another.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1950648]Having multiple sexual partners will always increase the chance of getting STDs. And frequenting places such as Artemis will increase the chance substantially (due to girls having sex with many punters during her workday). However. Use of condom (greatly reduces chances of getting STDs) and biweekly checks of the girls (STD "epidemy" is easier to detect and contain) will decrease risk of STD greatly. In fact I would say that having safe sex in Artemis is much safer that with some promiscuous girl in your office or that you meet in a night club. Because THAT girl only goes to her doctor when the symptoms are obvious or in pain.

Ironically it seems that you are not scared about kissing despite kissing being excellent transmitter method of infections (normal ones and couple of STDs too).

So relax. If you want safest possible experience (except staying at home and avoiding having sex) that is also involves more than HJ, use condom always (BJ included) and avoid kissing.[/QUOTE]I asked many girls that I know well if they do really medical checks and their answer is obviously no which is true for all FKK. I have a very close friend who is doctor and what I conclude on this topic from my side is that to catch HIV you need to receive a significant amount of infected, blood mostly (but can be sperm or vaginal fluid too). To be practical if you kiss a girl infected with HIV and you have no problem in your mouth neither she, the risk is 0, if you practice oral sex with the same girl and you have no problem in your mouth (0 bleeding when washing your teeth) 0 risk. Better no to wash your teeth 1 hour before a session to reduce the risks. Receiving a BJ if your dick has no skin issues 0 risk, all the rest seems to be at risk. I went to a full medical checks in a big hospital and met a doctor specialized in HIV infection and other MST and he told me that to be safe with sex workers his recommendations is no kiss, no uncovered BJ, no oral sex but in that case why should I go for P6.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1950648]Having multiple sexual partners will always increase the chance of getting STDs. And frequenting places such as Artemis will increase the chance substantially (due to girls having sex with many punters during her workday). However. Use of condom (greatly reduces chances of getting STDs) and biweekly checks of the girls (STD "epidemy" is easier to detect and contain) will decrease risk of STD greatly. In fact I would say that having safe sex in Artemis is much safer that with some promiscuous girl in your office or that you meet in a night club. Because THAT girl only goes to her doctor when the symptoms are obvious or in pain.

Ironically it seems that you are not scared about kissing despite kissing being excellent transmitter method of infections (normal ones and couple of STDs too).

So relax. If you want safest possible experience (except staying at home and avoiding having sex) that is also involves more than HJ, use condom always (BJ included) and avoid kissing.[/QUOTE]I don't believe in this bi-weekly medical check, when you are at the reception of a FKK and a new girl is joining the club she will provide her ID card but never she will give a medical check report. Also having sex with a girls who has 10 or more different partners every day (coming from every where in the world) can for me not be at lower risk that with the girl from your office.

[QUOTE=MichealRamdas;1950903]Thank you nooky and other members for answering my questions. Also any useful tips would be welcome.

Also, I came across some google reviews talking about stabbing and theft at that location. How safe is this place?[/QUOTE]There was stabbing near or in Westkreuz?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1951284]I don't believe in this bi-weekly medical check, when you are at the reception of a FKK and a new girl is joining the club she will provide her ID card but never she will give a medical check report. Also having sex with a girls who has 10 or more different partners every day (coming from every where in the world) can for me not be at lower risk that with the girl from your office.[/QUOTE]

If someone can find me a person who actually believes the girls get checked regularly, and that that testing has much impact... Then I have a piece of land to sell you in Florida. Please get back to me.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1951550]If someone can find me a person who actually believes the girls get checked regularly, and that that testing has much impact... Then I have a piece of land to sell you in Florida. Please get back to me.[/QUOTE]"Something" happens on a regular basis anyway. At my every visits, I noticed that the girls are horded up to the office on second floor and later they come back with a band aid on the shoulder.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1951289]There was stabbing near or in Westkreuz?[/QUOTE]Hello Mr Ho,

[quote]When you google FKK Artemis and click on the google reviews you will find this. From some guy name gregory chandler.

Gregory Chandler.

In the last week.

My research shows that this is a dangerous place with lots of criminal activity. The Berlin police raided Artemis in April 2016. The news reports are that the massive April 2016 raid had about 1,000 police officers. (Internet search: Artemis-Berlin April 2016 police raid) If you want to avoid run-ins with the police, stay away. People have been robbed at Artemis. Shootings and stabbings have taken place at Artemis. The staff and women are rude. I am told that the staff and women at Artemis are intentionally rude. The comments below also inform about rude service or no service at Artemis. There is the illegal sex trafficking of women at Artemis. The Berlin Hell's Angels motorcycle gang is active in the criminal affairs of Artemis. Among other matters, the police were investigating a murder with an alleged Artemis and Hell Angels connection. The women working at Artemis cheat men out of money. The managers are lazy, stupid, incompetent, and have no control over the staff and women. Some of these managers were jailed by the Berlin police in April 2016. I note the comment below by Remy Martin: "I hope this club shuts down and the owner gets cancer. " WOW! That must be the world's worst review of a bad business. The business should be given less than zero stars. Stay away.[/quote]

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;1951643]"Something" happens on a regular basis anyway. At my every visits, I noticed that the girls are horded up to the office on second floor and later they come back with a band aid on the shoulder.[/QUOTE]Yeah. They regularly have to renew the batteries in the chip implants.

HB.

[QUOTE=Galazy2;1940932]Thanks for the answer. That's not my Kiara unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Probably not, that Kiara is filtering men based on who is an easy prey. Hence, if she thinks you are hard work and not easy money, she will not go with you. She is a true tourist trap. A beautiful plastic tourist trap, but still a waste of money. Taking her means you part with art least 120 euro and get very little in return, including an argument for covered BJ.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1951699] get very little in return, [/QUOTE]Sounds like my last visit to Art. LOL.

[QUOTE=MichealRamdas;1951672]Hello Mr Ho,[/QUOTE]Chandler not Raymond. Complete nonsense, twisting info not understood. Maybe he had a bad time. Just RTFF.

Guys this is not a detailed trip report but just a short summary, observation. Was in Artemis on the 11th of October Tuesday what a waste of a visit. Firstly everything is higher in price right from entry to half an hour sessions when compared to the Hessen Clubs. The Girls don't kiss (Couple of them bluntly said this, that you are not my boyfriend) They do not want to let you do DATY. One girl who got ready to Kiss said she will kiss only if I assure her a one hour session. Didn't want to directly jump onto a hour session what if I don't perform for one hour hence declined. The Girls are also rude in their talk. Just did one German Blonde Girl who would sit by the Bar, don't have the name. But compared to my Sharks visit Artemis was a shocker of a place.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1952282]Guys this is not a detailed trip report but just a short summary, observation. Was in Artemis on the 11th of October Tuesday what a waste of a visit. Firstly everything is higher in price right from entry to half an hour sessions when compared to the Hessen Clubs. The Girls don't kiss (Couple of them bluntly said this, that you are not my boyfriend) They do not want to let you do DATY. One girl who got ready to Kiss said she will kiss only if I assure her a one hour session. Didn't want to directly jump onto a hour session what if I don't perform for one hour hence declined. The Girls are also rude in their talk. Just did one German Blonde Girl who would sit by the Bar, don't have the name. But compared to my Sharks visit Artemis was a shocker of a place.[/QUOTE]Hi Jooeey,

First of all, sorry you had a awful time at Artemis. I myself travel to Berlin 5-7 times a year approximately 2-3 days each time and of course also visit Artemis on most of these days. So I'm not a regular but most of the girls recognize me from my previous visits. It happens on rare occasions that girls don't want to kiss but mostly no problem, DATY have I never had any girl decline and the rude talk you mention, very rare in my opinion.

I have never visit Sharks but have been to Oase and Palace a few times in Frankfurt and all of these things you mentioning in your report happened to me in those clubs, I think this is because I was not a familiar face so the girls thought of me as an easy prey! This is probably what happened to you at Artemis, I don't defend the behavior of the girls but simply trying to explain it.

Yes the entrance is higher at Artemis compared to the Hessen clubs and of course we all want the entrance to be as cheap as possible, but with Oase, Sharks and World you have a expensive roundtrip with taxi to think about if you live in Frankfurt, and I don't like public transportation so train and busses is not an option for me.

But each to their own I guess.

Expanding my horizons and will be in Berlin for the first time next week. Excited to check out the scene. I think Artemis is a must right? Hoping for a good experience. Will report.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1952282]Was in Artemis on the 11th of October Tuesday what a waste of a visit. The Girls are also rude in their talk. Just did one German Blonde Girl who would sit by the Bar, don't have the name. But compared to my Sharks visit Artemis was a shocker of a place.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear you had such a bad time. Artemis is not my favorite club, on my last visits to Berlin I skipped it and saved my money and juice for the Hessen or NRW clubs.

HB.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1952282]Guys this is not a detailed trip report but just a short summary, observation. Was in Artemis on the 11th of October Tuesday what a waste of a visit. Firstly everything is higher in price right from entry to half an hour sessions when compared to the Hessen Clubs. The Girls don't kiss (Couple of them bluntly said this, that you are not my boyfriend) They do not want to let you do DATY. One girl who got ready to Kiss said she will kiss only if I assure her a one hour session. Didn't want to directly jump onto a hour session what if I don't perform for one hour hence declined. The Girls are also rude in their talk. Just did one German Blonde Girl who would sit by the Bar, don't have the name. But compared to my Sharks visit Artemis was a shocker of a place.[/QUOTE]I visited Artemis only once, and went with two girls.

One of them was exactly what you're describing: refusing to kiss, rude, and she wanted extra money for anything.

The second one was much better actually, and agreed to do all I wanted for the basic price.

So I think it depends on your luck.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1952417] Artemis is not my favorite club, on my last visits to Berlin I skipped it and saved my money and juice for the Hessen or NRW clubs.

HB.[/QUOTE]What is/are your preferred club/s in NRW? Just curious. Thanks.

If I go to NRW it is a combination of GT and LR on the same day. Haven't been to Samya for ages and didn't like Magnum that much. Acapulco years ago was quite good. Can't say anything about VV or PHG, same thing, haven't been for years.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1952443]If I go to NRW it is a combination of GT and LR on the same day. Haven't been to Samya for ages and didn't like Magnum that much. Acapulco years ago was quite good. Can't say anything about VV or PHG, same thing, haven't been for years.

HB.[/QUOTE]I also, when in NRW, stick mainly to the GT / LR combination tour: Funny, eh?

And now back to our regular scheduled programme: Artemis in Berlin!

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1952282]The Girls don't kiss (Couple of them bluntly said this, that you are not my boyfriend) They do not want to let you do DATY. One girl who got ready to Kiss said she will kiss only if I assure her a one hour session. Didn't want to directly jump onto a hour session what if I don't perform for one hour hence declined. The Girls are also rude in their talk. Just did one German Blonde Girl who would sit by the Bar, don't have the name. But compared to my Sharks visit Artemis was a shocker of a place.[/QUOTE]Many hookers don't like to kiss. They do it if you pay extra. I never do, I don't need the GFE play from a prostitute. Many hookers also don't like you to lick or touch their pussy. It's not only Artemis issue, same in all FKK places. I have had nice sessions in Artemis and both good and crap fucks at Sharks. It is not the club that makes the difference, same kind of romanian WG's all over Germany. This hobby is a hit and miss game.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952466]It is not the club that makes the difference, same kind of romanian WG's all over Germany. This hobby is a hit and miss game.[/QUOTE]That's not quite true. There's a huge difference re service levels between some clubs. Artemis and Palace are not the top service clubs for standard pricing.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1952472]That's not quite true. There's a huge difference re service levels between some clubs. Artemis and Palace are not the top service clubs for standard pricing.

HB.[/QUOTE]Correct, I would add both are at the bottom level (for standard price). But for long sessions (like 2 hours with some extras) I had outstanding sessions at Palace, unbelievable! I needed the ambulance after. Worth every cent.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952466]Many hookers don't like to kiss. They do it if you pay extra. I never do, I don't need the GFE play from a prostitute. [/QUOTE]Pretty much all the girls on my recent reports (various clubs, not Art) kissed. No extra. All the girls did that in a standard session, but I avoid clubs that either odds of kissing were low or chances of extras asked is high. So, based on various club visits, I know some club culture is better for odds of service over others. I rather choose a girl from a club where odds are high for service and low chances of rip-offs. It's a balance of game of looks and services on the whole. Ideal club would be high in looks and services.

Similar to Jooey, I require certain services to get me going, and kissing is one of them. I understand we all don't share the same service requirements, but for some of us it's important to find girls in clubs that meet the service aspects that are sought after.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1952370]I myself travel to Berlin 5-7 times a year approximately 2-3 days each time and of course also visit Artemis on most of these days. So I'm not a regular but most of the girls recognize me from my previous visits. It happens on rare occasions that girls don't want to kiss but mostly no problem, DATY have I never had any girl decline and the rude talk you mention, very rare in my opinion.

I have never visit Sharks but have been to Oase and Palace a few times in Frankfurt and all of these things you mentioning in your report happened to me in those clubs, I think this is because I was not a familiar face so the girls thought of me as an easy prey! This is probably what happened to you at Artemis, I don't defend the behavior of the girls but simply trying to explain it.
[/QUOTE]I don't follow the logic. If I visit a club and my service stats are low, I will question the avg service level of the club. Also, I will rethink to visiting that club again. If you've visited enough clubs, your rationale will not be limited to the clubs you point out. There are many clubs in De, and club cultures will be different due to type of girls working, management, and clientele, etc.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1952487]

I don't follow the logic. If I visit a club and my service stats are low, I will question the avg service level of the club. Also, I will rethink to visiting that club again. If you've visited enough clubs, your rationale will not be limited to the clubs you point out. There are many clubs in De, and club cultures will be different due to type of girls working, management, and clientele, etc.[/QUOTE]Actually the point of my post is that if you are a regular or at least a familiar face at the club you are more likely to receive better service from the girls! This is probably the norm whatever club you are visiting.

[QUOTE=AdamCki;1952480] But for long sessions (like 2 hours with some extras) I had outstanding sessions at Palace, unbelievable! I needed the ambulance after. Worth every cent.[/QUOTE]At a rate of 300€plus /2 h you will find great service at every club.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1952472]That's not quite true. There's a huge difference re service levels between some clubs. Artemis and Palace are not the top service clubs for standard pricing.

HB.[/QUOTE]This is true. But my point was that there are WG's in ALL clubs who give good service with basic 50/60 Euro session.

Maybe the club and it's atmosphere / management hardens the girls differently in various places and so the end result is like this with variable service levels.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1952487]
Similar to Jooey, I require certain services to get me going, and kissing is one of them. I understand we all don't share the same service requirements, but for some of us it's important to find girls in clubs that meet the service aspects that are sought after.
[/QUOTE]I understand your point.

I am happy just to pay to be fucked by nice tight bodies and play with big natural tits - without kissing the girls. I don't fancy the idea of kissing a hooker who has sucked cocks all day long and probably had CIM. Puts a damper on my mood, LOL.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952466]This hobby is a hit and miss game.[/QUOTE]That is a very fair statement to summarise "This Hobby is indeed a hit and a miss game". You win some you lose sum.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952653] I don't fancy the idea of kissing a hooker who has sucked cocks all day long and probably had CIM. Puts a damper on my mood, LOL.[/QUOTE]Over thinking the whole situation puts a dampener on the overall hobby.

Yesterday it was quite busy in Artemis from 7 pm On, earlier than normal I think. A lot of very nice girls, saw some new faces.

Normally I have good experiences with the girls services in Artemis. Yesterday I had the biggest miss since ever: I don, t remember her name, she told me she was Turkish, but born in Berlin, long darkblond hair, no fake tits. BBJ was more HJ than BJ and she was very pushy and indifferent. So during session I changed my intention and ended without extras so that this bad session cost me only 60,- euros. I regretted more having missed my first shot. Very strange because such bad session never happended to me in ART.

Later second session with a romanian girl was a pleasure.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1952692] this bad session cost me only 60,- euros. [/QUOTE]Sorry for bad session Sixty9 but THIS shows the strength of the FKK and Artemis experience. If something is crap one can limit the damage, calm down, get into a better mood and then check out the other girls! In many other mongering situations one is simply stuck, your are too heavily invested money wise and then it can ruin your evening.

I even decided on not to come with a girl at Artemis once. She was not so good and had almost a bad attitude in our already started sessions in the semi-public area. She pushed for CIM and I decided to justb play with her and let her try her best. With the intention of never coming. 60 down is not THAT much. I saw it as a sexy warm up for the next session.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1952692]Yesterday it was quite busy in Artemis from 7 pm On, earlier than normal I think. A lot of very nice girls, saw some new faces.

Normally I have good experiences with the girls services in Artemis. Yesterday I had the biggest miss since ever: I don, t remember her name, she told me she was Turkish, but born in Berlin, long darkblond hair, no fake tits. BBJ was more HJ than BJ and she was very pushy and indifferent. So during session I changed my intention and ended without extras so that this bad session cost me only 60,- euros. I regretted more having missed my first shot. Very strange because such bad session never happended to me in ART.

Later second session with a romanian girl was a pleasure.[/QUOTE]Was this Turkish descent girl that you talk about with Specs?

[QUOTE=Wiild;1952694]Sorry for bad session Sixty9 but THIS shows the strength of the FKK and Artemis experience. If something is crap one can limit the damage, calm down, get into a better mood and then check out the other girls! In many other mongering situations one is simply stuck, your are too heavily invested money wise and then it can ruin your evening.[/QUOTE]Just a quick note: This is the case for every FKK or Saunaclub in DACH, E or NL.

HB.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;1952679]Over thinking the whole situation puts a dampener on the overall hobby.[/QUOTE]Yes it is best not to think too much what the WG has been doing before your session. If the girls would be more initiative with kissing then I would propably go with the flow but since they are mostly reluctant I just don't bother. For me the intercourse in the main event. But each to his own, I am not here to judge what punters should do. Many guys prefer BBBJ, I take CBJ because of the constant NGU that I get from these girls. Their mouths are just a nest of germs. Just personal preference like many other moves we make inside FKK's.

I think punters should understand that every girl does not do all the stuff in a basic 50 Euro session. And if someone tells you rudely that they do not kiss, move on and find another one who does. Once in Oase I asked busty Carla in the room to put some more eroticism in the game since her every move was like a robot's. She stopped cleaning my cock with a wet wipe, looked at me and said:"Eroticism belongs to my boyfriend, this is just work!" I laughed and still managed to have a good ride from her. That sentence made me realize what to expect from a FKK working girl in the future.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1952692].... Very strange because such bad session never happended to me in ARTEMIS..... [/QUOTE]Well then you have been very lucky in the past dude. A shitty session once in a while (at standard rate which is a flip the coin almost always) is ok for everyone to keep their feet on the ground and fresh glass of water of reality in face. Never mind.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;1952710]Was this Turkish descent girl that you talk about with Specs?[/QUOTE]No, no specs.

The overall impression of her: not thick, not thin. But not very sporty body with light signs of cellulite in the legs.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1952472]That's not quite true. There's a huge difference re service levels between some clubs. Artemis and Palace are not the top service clubs for standard pricing.

HB.[/QUOTE]This is not right. In my opinion the service level in Artemis for 60 € was / is better than in most other clubs. Usually you have blowjob, sex, licking and maybe kissing.

OK there are some changes after the raid and new girls from other clubs try to sale extras for kissing and licking for example. We must wait the development for the future.

The service level in the Hessenclubs is lower than in Berlin. I know this opinion from girls in the Hamburg-Clubs also.

At HB.

We know that Artemis is not your club. You can repeat and repeat. Its because of not so many Romanian girls.

Artemis has a pretty large service range from good to bad. So unless you have been there many times, it really is about luck. Somehow the Romanian group there tends to give the worst service because of their internal rules though. Only very few Romanian exceptions.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1952762]This is not right. In my opinion the service level in Artemis for 60 was / is better than in most other clubs. Usually you have blowjob, sex, licking and maybe kissing.

At HB.

We know that Artemis is not your club. You can repeat and repeat. Its because of not so many Romanian girls.[/QUOTE]It is not because of less Romanian girls. It is because of too many old siliconed tattooed pro hookers. Same as Palace. You can repeat and repeat, but stating that Artemis service levels are better than most other clubs is ridiculous.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1953194]It is not because of less Romanian girls. It is because of too many old siliconed tattooed pro hookers. Same as Palace. You can repeat and repeat, but stating that Artemis service levels are better than most other clubs is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]+1.

Was last time some years ago at Artemis. Line up and service level similar like Palace and below the other big Frankfurt clubs. Low service level at Artemis has almost nothing to do with girls nationality but with client structure (many tourists) and that Artemis has no competition through other clubs.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1953211]+1.

Was last time some years ago at Artemis. Line up and service level similar like Palace and below the other big Frankfurt clubs. Low service level at Artemis has almost nothing to do with girls nationality but with client structure (many tourists) and that Artemis has no competition through other clubs.[/QUOTE]Wrong! At Artemis as opposed to some other clubs, larger nationalities such as especially the Romanians mean that they have formed stricter group rules. Worse service for 60 e, or more upsell. Nationalities with fewer girls give much better service. A lot of Romanians therefore leave Artemis after awhile. Some of the old hags in the Romanian group are probably behind this and as I have heard those old hags actually gives impeccable service. Too bad their looks are 2-3, they just want to screw over the pretty girls.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953241]Wrong! At Artemis as opposed to some other clubs, larger nationalities such as especially the romanians mean that they have formed stricter group rules. Worse service for 60 e, or more upsell. Nationalities with fewer girls give much better service.[/QUOTE]Wow yep I can see this at Palace, many nationalities in few numbers and most of them at a 50 euro session lowest level.

Stay away from Jayne, older German girl, your normal style cheater who can't read the clock. If you get my point.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1953244]Wow yep I can see this at Palace, many nationalities in few numbers and most of them at a 50 euro session lowest level.[/QUOTE]Palace is not Artemis.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952728]Yes it is best not to think too much what the WG has been doing before your session. If the girls would be more initiative with kissing then I would propably go with the flow but since they are mostly reluctant I just don't bother. For me the intercourse in the main event. But each to his own, I am not here to judge what punters should do. Many guys prefer BBBJ, I take CBJ because of the constant NGU that I get from these girls. Their mouths are just a nest of germs. Just personal preference like many other moves we make inside FKK's.

I think punters should understand that every girl does not do all the stuff in a basic 50 Euro session. And if someone tells you rudely that they do not kiss, move on and find another one who does. Once in Oase I asked busty Carla in the room to put some more eroticism in the game since her every move was like a robot's. She stopped cleaning my cock with a wet wipe, looked at me and said:"Eroticism belongs to my boyfriend, this is just work!" I laughed and still managed to have a good ride from her. That sentence made me realize what to expect from a FKK working girl in the future.[/QUOTE]I think our views are different. There are providers that are more capable over others. Believe me, I've run into plenty of them. They can be a lot fun. And then you got more jaded pros. Chances are great to run into them at places like Art. Art is one of those clubs you meet those that of the higher end of the spectrum when it comes to pro-ness. Well, at least this is how I describe some girls as especiallly the ones that has been in the industry long enough, and lost that youthful spark. Others may have a different way of seeing thing, but this depends on girl character / personality types, and how we define services can have some variance.

Since kissing, etc. Is part of what excites some punters in sessions. I have met plenty of what I describe as "capable" girls that do provide some passion into it, but not all girls are capable. It all depends on the girl (and also to some degree clientel). Also, club culture influence on it. If there are more clientel with higher expectations and more in what is saught after in a session, and with provider competition in clubs to make the money, it will raise the standards in service with more offering by more and more girls.

Usually, a lot of the demanding customers are moving to smaller clubs as greater tourists show up. This does drive service levels down. I suggest many of yall that has not explored much in De, look into some clubs that has good reputation of service, and see what makes them particularly of draw some punters.

In the end all depends on preference of the punter. If your expectations are fullfilled by the 99% of pros in Artemis, nothing complain about.

Here is a pure example of what I consider a real pro:
[QUOTE=Danny227;1951699]Probably not, that Kiara is filtering men based on who is an easy prey. Hence, if she thinks you are hard work and not easy money, she will not go with you. She is a true tourist trap. A beautiful plastic tourist trap, but still a waste of money. Taking her means you part with art least 120 euro and get very little in return, including an argument for covered BJ.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953300]Palace is not Artemis.[/QUOTE]Ups I didn't know that your theory about national group pressure at FKK clubs works (only) at Artemis and doesn't work at Palace or is it the other way around. LOL.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952728]
I think punters should understand that every girl does not do all the stuff in a basic 50 Euro session. [/QUOTE]Let me refrase. My purpose was to write "Not every girl will do all the basic stuff in 50 euro session".

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1953303]I think our views are different. There are providers that are more capable over others. [/QUOTE]Our views does not differ that much. Surely there are big differences in the girls behaviour and capability. I know this very well since I have experienced many good and bad sessions over the years.

I am not very demanding in the room regarding service. I don't need to kiss, I am happy with CBJ. I enjoy best girls who have good fucking techniques, especially CG and RCG, combined with nice body and tits of course. And some fuck durability from the hookers since I don't come in a minute.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953241]Nationalities with fewer girls give much better service. [/QUOTE]Aha. So in a club with 60 Romanians, 10 Bulgarians, 5 Polish and 2 Germans the German girls would give the best service, followed by the Polish, Bulgarian and Romanians. Interesting theory. But only a theory.

HB.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1953309]Ups I didn't know that your theory about national group pressure at FKK clubs works (only) at Artemis and doesn't work at Palace or is it the other way around. LOL.[/QUOTE]It was not a theory. It was an observation of Artemis in the Artemis thread.

HB: please make all the metaphysical theories you want. I have upgraded my bandwidth.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1953322]Aha. So in a club with 60 Romanians, 10 Bulgarians, 5 Polish and 2 Germans the German girls would give the best service, followed by the Polish, Bulgarian and Romanians. Interesting theory. But only a theory.

HB.[/QUOTE]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1953359]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.[/QUOTE]Indeed. But it is more due to the climate at Artemis than Romanians in general.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953392]Indeed. But it is more due to the climate at Artemis than romanians in general.[/QUOTE]Indeed not. All this nationalistic theory stuff is IMHO complete bullshit. And just from good statistics sample. If there are more girls from somewhere, like maybe 60%, then of course odds are there may be more problems reported from that group as there are more of them vs. others. But has nothing to do with national origin. Correlation not causation. That was HB point and he is right. There are many great Romanians if you choose wisely. There are great women from everywhere. If anything, maybe one generalization that has some truth is how fine Italian [i]men[/i] behave on the weekend - something almost all girls at Artemis confirm. But there are also even Italian gentlemen Ninja knows.

Every 6 months this comes up like flu season. Pseudo scientists make silly statements that go on for days to show how worldly and experienced they are when actually it shows opposite. Then it dies out (yey).

Only thing that matters ever is chemistry. If you have bad time, mostly blame yourself, not because some girl came from Upper Fuckistan. Signs were probably there if you were observant enough, and most bad experiences avoided by saying no to zimmer if vibe bad. And many men, some obviously nuts, think just paying 60 Eur will guarantee them good time, when they have many "issues" themselves. Silly and show ignorance and inexperience.

How man and woman click together is individual thing, difficult to predict. Even in real world you can have fun date, then go to bed together and can be not so great. It just happens. Please now we leave metaphysics (or go to Lounge, or Bathroom) and just get back to reports that help others.

Your post is ridiculous. Chemistry is important. Allways is. The larger the nationality, the larger chance of conflicts. Also true. But also the larger chance of rules being made within these large groups. Italians? LOL. Girls told you this? You later tipped her 100 euro? :p

She also told you you are an Italian stallion with a big anaconda?

Your comment about 60 euro tells me that you are fine with girls upselling. I never extend with girls that hold back during a 30min session. But with good girls I go 1h sometimes too, if you take the reverse approach to this, then you either don't have a good handle of your money, or you open yourself to getting screwed over by the girl(s)

Romanians are top girls in general I agree. FKK's would be dull without them. But at Artemis there is a bad group that has formed. Some of them seems to be gone after the raid though. So they are not as many as they were. But still influential.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1953359]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.[/QUOTE]If you believe in this it is better you stay out of the FKK in Germany because most probably 90% of the girls are from Romanian even they will tell you that they are coming from a other country. Obviously I can t agree with your statement and over the years I had great experiences with the Romanian girls.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953865]Your post is rediculous. Chemistry is important. Allways is. The larger the nationality, the larger chance of conflicts. Also true. But also the larger chance of rules being made within these large groups. Italians? LOL. Girls told you this?[/QUOTE]P-this was not meant as an attack on you, and apologies if you took it so. But you missed points or misunderstood much; Italian men comment meant to be ironic (everyone knows they are a disaster on the weekend). And 60 Eur bit nothing to do with up-selling or time. Only that just because you pay a girl something, this not overcome bad chemistry. This is essential point of good FKK experience; not where girl (or monger) comes from.

Your worry about cliques- so what, they are everywhere, who cares? There are many cliques in Artemis, just like in any office. Some related to nationality, some just friends network. But what goes on in zimmer is between one individual girl and you. If somehow you feel clique behavior influences this, [i]you[/i] (the monger not you personally) have allowed this to happen and affect price and experience. If you cannot take charge of this situation, discuss and agree on what is expected before zimmer, or just say no if vibe is bad, no point in going to FKK club. Anyway, at least you agree with other "rediculous" points.

Whatever. Please now we just move back to real reports and enough of all this United Nations stuff.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1953359]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.[/QUOTE]If you really meant that Mr Ho I think you really need to consider your own performance!

I monger in Spain a lot (more than in Germany) where there is a far better balance of latinas and other nationalities. In Vive Madrid there are probably no higher than 15% Romanian girls, and maybe 20% in Scanadalo in Malaga. Yet if I had to rank my top 5 girls of all time in Spain (and trust me that spans about 25 years!) I'd put 3 Romanian girls in that top 5. In fact, my top girl in each of those two clubs, and Factory Air in Madrid, and in Artemis, Oase, Temptation in Vilamoura Portugal, New York Bar in Dubai and even in Cosmopolitan Manchester UK are ALL Romanian and trust me I am picky about good service!

So you've either had extremely bad luck. Or your estimation of 99% Romanian girls giving bad service was just a joke. You did say LOL after it so I'll assume it was the latter.

Payforit: it probably comes from the fact the Mr. Ho has mainly gone to Artemis. And hit the same group I discussed.

Met lots of WG's from Romania who has worked in Spain also. Generally quite good service, but the groups that can form at german FKK's can turn it into a bad cocktail. Maybe it has to do with the rates they get in Germany which is not appreciating much year on year. Then again, whole Europe is stagnating and unemployment rate is high. So it is hard to point fingers.

All depends on MrHo's taste, and how many Romies he has tried at several clubs, and what clubs he has tried the Romies at. Probably has to open up his sampling at various places, and the truth will come out. Also, consider that people have differing ideas in what they think of good service.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1953322]Aha. So in a club with 60 Romanians, 10 Bulgarians, 5 Polish and 2 Germans the German girls would give the best service, followed by the Polish, Bulgarian and Romanians. Interesting theory. But only a theory.

HB.[/QUOTE]Here is an example. Within the 60, you have higher odds that you sample enough that you'd find a good service provider. But also, there maybe more bad providers in the pack than say 5 Polish and 2 Germans. Or with such a few number of Polish or Germans, too few to say either or. Just luck has it the 2 Germans are good providers, or bad luck that both are not.

Any crazy shit happening on Halloween at Artemis? I will be in town Sunday and Monday night. If you have to show up in a costume on Monday I'll pass. Is Sunday a good time to go or is a ghost town (pun intended)?

PL: Well HB is clearly not a frequent visitor at Artemis, and never has been either.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1954367]PL: Well HB is clearly not a frequent visitor at Artemis, and never has been either.[/QUOTE]You don't have any clue and you show it with every post. I am not a frequent visitor due to the reasons I have stated before. But I have been quite a few times. The first time about 2 weeks after they opened.

HB.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953865]Your post is rediculous. Chemistry is important. Allways is. The larger the nationality, the larger chance of conflicts. Also true. But also the larger chance of rules being made within these large groups. Italians? LOL. Girls told you this? You later tipped her 100 euro? :p

She also told you you are an italian stallion with a big anaconda?

Your comment about 60 euro tells me that you are fine with girls upselling. I never extend with girls that hold back during a 30min session. But with good girls I go 1h sometimes too... if you take the reverse approach to this, then you either dont have a good handle of your money, or you open yourself to getting screwed over by the girl(s)

Romanians are top girls in general I agree. FKK's would be dull without them. But at Artemis there is a bad group that has formed. Some of them seems to be gone after the raid though. So they are not as many as they were. But still influential.[/QUOTE]Truth is without the Romanians many saunaclubs would of closed, I've had good sessions with Roms also.

After a day at Venus I walked over to Artemis, got there just after 9 pm, now I was expecting the place to be packed, it being Venus week, but surprisingly it wasn't, I went and got some dinner first as hadn't eaten much all day. After dinner got a drink at the bar, bumped into Anna the blonde busty Rom I'd sessioned with, maybe see her later, had a sauna and relaxed, got talking to Evan, I've noticed on previous visits but never spoken, a very good looking young lady, told her I'd come and find her later, maybe I should of grabbed her early.

Brianna half hour.

Was talking to Brianna, said she was Spanish, more likely Romanian, but she ticked the boxes and told me what she will do, so took her to a room, a decent half hour FK and OWO, very strong session, enjoyable time had.

Took my time relaxing in the lounge with a drink, looking out for my next target, got talking to a young blonde barbie from Rom, forget her name, have seen her in the club before, she has a friend with similar blonde with fake tits, she obviously took me for a dumb tourist, as she tried to upsell to two girl session with her friend, 3 somes isn't usually my thing, and I told her I was only interested in one lady, the dumb bird wouldn't back down, she said maybe see you later, I said no you won't, I won't ever go with you now and walked away, 2 minutes later both girls are doing a circuit from the bar to kino and back, empty handed, I was sat at the side, and I did chuckle, and say "oh dear no customers?" which the girl didn't appreciate.

Samantha half hour.

Shortly after got talking to Samantha a Bulgarian, have seen her in the club before, large fake boobs and toned body wears glasses, took her to a room, and she was really good, FK and very fine OWO, I was enjoying this session, we had sex in several positions, Samantha was on top, and then she said time is nearly up baby, I looked at my watch and said no we still got 10 minutes left, so an argument then ensues while my cocks still inside her Wtf! I'm not a dumb newbie, and I don't cum in 5 minutes, I always make a point of checking the time when I enter a room, and pace the session at my speed, Samantha complained that most guys don't last so long, well sorry dear I don't cum so fast, get my monies worth, so that was a big mood killer, she stopped arguing and sucked my cock for 5 minutes we had left, I wasn't going to extend after her BS! A real shame as if she hadn't tried to pull this I would of seen her on future trips.

I took my time in the sauna and pool downstairs, went back up to the lounge and it was still fairly quiet, I walked up to Evan and told her I did promise to come find her earlier, she said she was having a break, Evan is a busy girl, I can understand she likes a little break between sessions, so I said no problem, come and find me later when you're ready, I'm not going to stalk a hooker all night.

Well I didn't go with anyone else that night, my nemesis Virginia still hates me hehe, she did look at me couple of times, and I went home at about 3 am.

Saturday.

Again this day spent my time at Venus, and arrived in Artemis at around 9 pm, again club was fairly quiet, got changed and showered, walked in the lounge to get a drink, and Evan was at the bar in front of me, she turned round and said oh it's you, we exchanged pleasantries and she moved on, I took my time had a meal and another drink, it was a surprise that the club was fairly quiet again, I mentioned it to a few girls and they agreed.

Vanity half hour.

Got talking to Vanity at the bar, nice black girl, been room with her on previous trip, couldn't see anyone else to catch my eye, so took her up to a room, Vanity is good, no rush or upsell, great OWO and sex in various positions, enjoyed the session, would repeat.

Had a break and some more food, then a rest in the lounge, place had got slightly more busy, had a drink and a look about, the two blonde Rom barbies saw me and kept walking, also said Hi to Samantha, but I won't take her to room again. Spent more time down in the wellness area, wasn't in a rush for a second session, went back to the lounge and had a sit down at the bar, what I noticed that night is Evan is a very busy girl, most of the evening she's taken, and she appears for short periods at the bar, as I sat there I watched as three guys one after another in a space of a couple minutes approaching her, she said she was on a break, she's that busy she can afford to turn guys away, as she did with me, one guy was determined and she finally agreed to go with him, she's a sexy girl, but I don't make a habit of begging hookers to go room with me, maybe catch her early is a good idea, but goes to show some girls there are busy, Evan must be one of the top earners at Artemis.

I didn't session again that night and left for the airport at 5 am, was not a bad visit, shame I got Samantha cutting short, and the two barbies trying it on, I will return soon.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1954556]After a day at Venus I walked over to Artemis, got there just after 9 pm, now I was expecting the place to be packed, it being Venus week, but surprisingly it wasn't, I went and got some dinner first as hadn't eaten much all day. After dinner got a drink at the bar, bumped into Anna the blonde busty Rom I'd sessioned with, maybe see her later, had a sauna and relaxed, got talking to Evan, I've noticed on previous visits but never spoken, a very good looking young lady, told her I'd come and find her later, maybe I should of grabbed her early.

Brianna half hour.

Was talking to Brianna, said she was Spanish, more likely Romanian, but she ticked the boxes and told me what she will do, so took her to a room, a decent half hour FK and OWO, very strong session, enjoyable time had.

Took my time relaxing in the lounge with a drink, looking out for my next target, got talking to a young blonde barbie from Rom, forget her name, have seen her in the club before, she has a friend with similar blonde with fake tits, she obviously took me for a dumb tourist, as she tried to upsell to two girl session with her friend, 3 somes isn't usually my thing, and I told her I was only interested in one lady, the dumb bird wouldn't back down, she said maybe see you later, I said no you won't, I won't ever go with you now and walked away, 2 minutes later both girls are doing a circuit from the bar to kino and back, empty handed, I was sat at the side, and I did chuckle, and say "oh dear no customers?" which the girl didn't appreciate.

Samantha half hour...[/QUOTE]I was also there on Friday the 14th, left at 1 am. I thought the place was packed, with girls at least. Had to wait 10 minutes for a room but that may not be that much of a waiting time.

Virginia is the tall blonde with big tits and pouty lips right? She hates me as well, gives me those "I'll kill you" looks.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1954441]You don't have any clue and you show it with every post. I am not a frequent visitor due to the reasons I have stated before. But I have been quite a few times. The first time about 2 weeks after they opened.

HB.[/QUOTE]So if you are not a frequesnt visitor, then why comment here on stuff you are not updated on? This is low, even from you. If I read you right, you havent been there for years. What you did 10 years ago is of no concern...

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1954724]That's the point. The experiences from HB are quite old. And we all know his taste, he loves the youngest natural girls from Romania and so on. That's OK and then he should go to Oase, World etc.

But in this conclusion it is not correct to repeat it every time that the service of the girls is worse than in other clubs. That is complete nonsense.

Artemis is the best running club in Germany and it's right there are big differences in the service from girl to girl and from guest to guest but in the middle it's absolute OK.[/QUOTE]Well Mr HB is pretty accurate. His taste is one different thing, but his info is rather accurate, he is like machine LOL.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1954555]Truth is without the Romanians many saunaclubs would of closed, I've had good sessions with Roms also.[/QUOTE]Right, better Romanians than asians or other races to my taste. I had good sessions with Ro too, but they ain't my favorite sessions. I like hardcore things.

[QUOTE=KtqMoon;1954607]I was also there on Friday the 14th, left at 1 am. I thought the place was packed, with girls at least. Had to wait 10 minutes for a room but that may not be that much of a waiting time.

Virginia is the tall blonde with big tits and pouty lips right? She hates me as well, gives me those "I'll kill you" looks.[/QUOTE]I meant not so many guys which was better for us, just thought it being Venus week it would of been a cockfest.

Virginia hates you too? It's not just me then LOL.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1954556]

Vanity half hour.

Got talking to Vanity at the bar, nice black girl, been room with her on previous trip, couldn't see anyone else to catch my eye, so took her up to a room, Vanity is good, no rush or upsell, great OWO and sex in various positions, enjoyed the session, would repeat.

[/QUOTE]Nice Report.

A question to Vanity, who is she? As I know in last weeks there are only 4 black girls in Artemis:

1) An older dominican girl with nice attitude always smiling, I forgot her name but she is not Vanity.

2) Other small and thin dominican who always has a small cloth on her hips, she has small tits and very small ass. Is she Vanity?

3) A small black girl with big hangers. I'm not sure but if she is the girl I had a session last year, this girl told me me she was from Hamburg and spoke good German. But she didn, t like DATY and FIV. Watching her I always like her, but I,m not sure if she is the girl which refused DATY?

4) A tall black girl with small tits, not my thing.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1954712]So if you are not a frequesnt visitor, then why comment here on stuff you are not updated on? This is low, even from you. If I read you right, you havent been there for years. What you did 10 years ago is of no concern...[/QUOTE]The situation hasn't changed. Or maybe it has, I read from several posts that it got even worse after the Razzia.

HB.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1954724]That's the point. The experiences from HB are quite old. And we all know his taste, he loves the youngest natural girls from Romania and so on. That's OK and then he should go to Oase, World etc.

But in this conclusion it is not correct to repeat it every time that the service of the girls is worse than in other clubs. That is complete nonsense.

Artemis is the best running club in Germany and it's right there are big differences in the service from girl to girl and from guest to guest but in the middle it's absolute OK.[/QUOTE]I have a few top girls as favourites at Artemis too. That would be top at any club. The bulgarian group there has a very high standard and has never failed me for example. And some of the romanians who doesn't care for being in a group are great. Russians and asians there also never seem to disappoint. With germans and romanians, the two dominant groups, it is a bit more random.

HB: Group formations and internal rules change over time. Allways does...

[QUOTE=Pistons;1955037] HB: Group formations and internal rules change over time. Allways does...[/QUOTE]This has gotten unbelievably boring. If you guys want pissing contest, just do it with PMs, or meet up in some parking lot with swords and have real duel.

Let's just move on and start writing public reports useful to others. Jerboa saved the week.

Huge natural beautiful melons. Sucked on them with my eyes closed. Like a baby receiving nourishment from a mother. She was staring at me with dead pan eyes. Felt like I had a session going on with Sylvester Stallone. Had to tell a joke to make her smile.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1955057]This has gotten unbelievably boring. If you guys want pissing contest, just do it with PMs, or meet up in some parking lot with swords and have real duel.

Let's just move on and start writing public reports useful to others. Jerboa saved the week.[/QUOTE]LOL I love Ninja's sarcastic humor in this forum. Always gives a nice twist to the sometimes boring atmosphere around here. Thank you!

After reading some reports, here is a summary of some good and bad bets in Artemis:

Good bets:

Vanity.

Evan.

Brianna.

Ginger.

Garbiela.

Bad bets:

Samantha.

Jayne.

Kiara.

Feel free to modify / add / remove from the list above and update it whenever needed.

Arrived Berlin on Wednesday for business trip. Want to re-visit Artemis before I leave for Paris on Friday. Around 6 pm I entered club. The LU seemed below of my expectation. There might be 40-60 girls already, but I doubt there is anyone younger than 25 years old. Last time I visited was October 2013. I still remembered the old wonderful time I spent with beautiful Nina (CZ), Leah, De? Alise, De. All three seem not to be here anymore. Even if they were, I don't think I could recognize them immediately.

After finishing mediocre supper, I started to wander to spot girls who could fit my taste. So disappointed! Whole club is full of women with tan and coarse skin and silicone. I had to go to non-smoking basement to have a nap, hoping LU would become better later. I fell asleep and woke up by girls' screams. I looked at my watch, it's almost 9 o'clock. I wasted three hours in club. A brunette approached me, she is a Spanish girl. She told me her name twice, just sound like Brannie. Although she is not the type of girl I prefer, I decided to pick her up. There is no too many selections, at least she is pretty. Service is OK, just OK level. 120 euro, no tip, no repeat.

Standing on the narrow hallway of second floor, I watched girls going up and down for about 15 min. Almost none I want to take. Two Romanian girls came to me, when they realized that I might be an infrequent visitor, they immediately suggested threesome. I refused. They kept bugging me until I said I need to go to restroom. I fled quickly.

I left around 11 pm. To be honest, it was one of the worst my FKK experiences.

[QUOTE=JohnEllee;1955201]There might be 40-60 girls already, but I doubt there is anyone younger than 25 years old.

Whole club is full of women with tan and coarse skin and silicone.

Two Romanian girls came to me, when they realized that I might be an infrequent visitor, they immediately suggested threesome. I refused. They kept bugging me until I said I need to go to restroom. I fled quickly.

To be honest, it was one of the worst my FKK experiences.[/QUOTE]That can't be. According to Suppenhuhn it's the best running club in Germany. LOL.

HB.

There are a few girls younger than 25. Carrie is just 23 I think. Sona also is just 24 I believe. And a few of the romanians (maybe 2 or 3) are 23 or 24 also. Among them that petite half ukrainian girl. But I think the girls below 25 are counted on one hand. Unless some new ones have arrived.

Can I proclaim Artemis to be the top BJ FKK in Germany? I recently revisited after almost two years away and all 4 girls I took provided solid long professional-level BBBJ. Was it just a fluke?

Overall impression: professional but not unfriendly. From the bar staff to the girls, there is a general lack of warmth but they work hard to make you happy: going through the motions with good work ethic. I can confirm that they are mostly 25+ and have been there for years.

I took: girl with frizzy dyed red hair and sillies (Ro, 23); Daphne? With the round Asianish face, red hair and glasses (Ro, 27); Sylvia (Ro, 29) who pushed for threesome with her friend; "Romanian / Russian from Italy" with big sillies (Ro?, 28?) All 30 minute bookings and no major complaints about any of them. I also saw Raissa that I sessioned with last time who didn't remember me at all. She gets clients but walks around with completely dead eyes.

Various observations: good hot showers, good coffee, fairly smokey lounge, decent food (but saw no dessert other than fruit), good rooms mostly with mirrors. Girls approach a fair amount, with a few repeat offenders, but generally accept refusal well. Extras like CIM are 50 e. Still not thrilled about 80 e entry and 60 e session but accessibility of the club is hard to beat.

HB,

You are a clown and confuses different topics. Yes Artemis is the best running Club in Germany with the most guests (about 400-500 every day incl. The girls) and they have queues of woman to work.

And REALLY not every visitor is satisfied with the service and not every girl is the best performer in town. Please go your favorite clubs in Hessen for example World or Oase. There are all People satisfied with every woman.

But you are right that girls in Artemis are a little older than in Hessen clubs. For an old sack like me better. Please tell me about your next Arte visit, maybe we can talk once more and I can help you a little LOL.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1955417]HB,

You are a clown ...

Please tell me about your next Arte visit, maybe we can talk once more and I can help you a little LOL.[/QUOTE]I know I'm funny. I'll text you if (that's a big if) I visit Artemis again.

HB.

I visited Artemis last Monday 24th October, last time I was there was back in June 2015, I think the place is better now since the raid, it seems to have cleared out a lot of the pushy girls that did not want to be there. I was with 3 girls, all half hour EUR 60 sessions:

Jessy: Romania, Blonde hair, very tall at least 175 cm without heels. Started out in the kino with BBJ which was quite shallow, she wouldn't go deep, then moved to room beside kino for CFS. She asked me to take it slowly, as this was my first session I wanted to take it slowly as was quite sensitive, however I reckon if you wanted to give her a good pounding she wouldn't be up for it. I wouldn't repeat, I don't think she's bitchy but probably quite new at doing this.

Tara: Romania, 24 yrs old, Blonde / Brown hair, about 170 cm tall. Similar to Jessy had BBJ in kino then moved to room next door. Her BBJ was really good, deep throat wet and sloppy just the way I like it. Then some CFS in various positions, she seemed to really like reverse cow girl and looking at me in the mirror. Good session but probably wouldn't repeat as she was a bit business like.

Mandy: Austria, 27 yrs old, very Blonde hair, very white skin, maybe 160 cm tall. Went to room upstairs, started with nice DFK which I never asked for upfront, it just happened and was nice. She asked me to lick her pussy which I did for about 10 minutes, she seemed to really enjoy it, no fake moaning! Then onto BBJ and CFS in various positions, great session. I would definitely repeat with this girl next time I'm in Artemis if she is still there.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1955417]Artemis is the best running Club in Germany with the most guests (about 400-500 every day incl. The girls) and they have queues of woman to work.[/QUOTE]Best? Best business in Germany?

The club has no real club competition. Easily accessible vis public transport for the quick fly in folks. Berlin has a large tourist attraction and would benefit the club as well.

The only club in the city is doing well business wise is separate from quality of the LU and the avg service level in the club.

If anything alternatives clubs around will competition that would motivate the club to strive to keep competitive. They got no competition.

Not saying competition is always advantageous. Saturation of clubs in the market is disavantageous as well.

The truth of the matter is the De market is saturated with clubs and they get filled with Romies as that's the dominent group. Any other nationalities, most would be on the older age bracket as they are a very small minorities and they get into the industry much less. So looking for younger age bracket, the odds are in favor in the Romanian space.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1955905]Best? Best business in Germany? The club has no real club competition. Easily accessible vis public transport for the quick fly in folks. ... Any other nationalities, most would be on the older age bracket as they are a very small minorities and they get into the industry much less. So looking for younger age bracket, the odds are in favor in the Romanian space.[/QUOTE]Tom Waits, accused of drinking on Fernwood Tonight TV show, said: "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkt9TIdpvrY[/url]

Ninja hope now that Artemis Sociology week is finally over.

[QUOTE=Mac75;1955833]I visited Artemis last Monday 24th October, last time I was there was back in June 2015, I think the place is better now since the raid, it seems to have cleared out a lot of the pushy girls that did not want to be there. I was with 3 girls, all half hour EUR 60 sessions:

Jessy: Romania, Blonde hair, very tall at least 175 cm without heels. Started out in the kino with BBJ which was quite shallow, she wouldn't go deep, then moved to room beside kino for CFS. She asked me to take it slowly, as this was my first session I wanted to take it slowly as was quite sensitive, however I reckon if you wanted to give her a good pounding she wouldn't be up for it. I wouldn't repeat, I don't think she's bitchy but probably quite new at doing this.

Tara: Romania, 24 yrs old, Blonde / Brown hair, about 170 cm tall. Similar to Jessy had BBJ in kino then moved to room next door. Her BBJ was really good, deep throat wet and sloppy just the way I like it. Then some CFS in various positions, she seemed to really like reverse cow girl and looking at me in the mirror. Good session but probably wouldn't repeat as she was a bit business like..[/QUOTE]I actually agree with you, I was at Art this June and I also found it got better after the raid.

LU was better back in 2010 to 2012 though.

[QUOTE=Troyster;1954355]Any crazy shit happening on Halloween at Artemis? I will be in town Sunday and Monday night. If you have to show up in a costume on Monday I'll pass. Is Sunday a good time to go or is a ghost town (pun intended)?[/QUOTE]Actually I want to know the same thing, so it will be great if anyone can answer that.

Yes, about half the romanian click group had pimps related to, or at least mentionned in accordance with that HA stuff and are now gone (the bad group). No wonder they didn't like it at Artemis. Good riddance as they poisoned the environment. But I also feel sad for them...

[QUOTE=BlackUnknown;1956110]Actually I want to know the same thing, so it will be great if anyone can answer that.[/QUOTE]Will be chilled Sunday, slow Monday. Girls maybe dressed up for Halloween fun but will be low key and not crowded, possibly (likely) very quiet.

No costume required but if you feel ambitious, come as a Hollow Weenie. Or even better, come dressed as Romanian Pimp, in keeping with our thread obsessions. Cheap accessories, see here for inspirational ideas:

[URL]https://www.google.de/search?q=Romanian+Pimp+image&client=opera&hs=BSI&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0 ahUKEwjl17 fvm4 PQAhVEnRoKHZreD9 QQ_AUICCgB&biw=1280&bih=989[/URL]

I am in Berlin Sun and Mon so I decided to check it out this evening. Arrived around 8:25 pm and it was busy, not crowded, but busy. Paid my 80, got the rundown, put on my robe, and went straight to the bar for a Diet Coke. I don't drink so I was sipping on Diet Coke all night. Overall, Artemis is similar to other large clubs I have been to around the world. Difference is this. In other clubs (Dubai, Buenos Aires, São Paulo) everyone has clothes on. Artemis, ladies are full nude and dudes walk around with towels or robes. Some wear a small piece of fabric as an accessory but there will nothing left to the imagination here, which I liked.

I was able to find a comfy seat on a sofa by the bar. It seemed there were packs of ladies that hung out on the left side, I went right. I wanted to plant my ass and check out the situation. In short, it was girls on parade, every shape and size. Lots of smoke, which I don't like but bonus is your clothes don't wreak when you leave because your clothes are in a locker. Big plus for me. There definitely seemed to be some veterans there, guys who knew certain girls and talked to them often. And you could see some clicks with the girls as well. I must of had newbie written on my face because in the first 30-min I was approached by 3 sets of friends who offered double trouble. One blond pair from Moldova (don't remember names), one dark pair from Turkey (Melissa and Shayla), which turned into threesome offer later with their other Turkish friend Sheila. Sheila was cute, didn't care for the others. And I don't remember where the third set were from. I politely declined all of them and they were cool. I ran into the Turkish Trio multiple times and we joked around a bit. I ended up going with 2 ladies tonight. One bad, one great. A learning experience for sure.

Brianna: Spanish from Valencia. I speak Spanish and she spoke really good Spanish so if she was faking it she was good. This was my mistake. I was getting a bit jumpy as I had been there for almost an hour and hadn't moved on anyone. Plenty of offers, but I wasn't taking. Brianna was what I call a strobe light honey. Looked good in the bar but not in the room. She did have an incredible ass but that was all that tickled my fancy. I know I could have ended it before we started but I just wanted to get that first one out of the way. And it was quick. After quite a cleaning process (which I don't mind), she went right in for a BBJ. Didn't even ask about a condom. Caught me off guard a bit but I let it go. It didn't last long. From there she put on a jimmy and rode me until I unloaded. Again, lasted about 15-20 minutes. Biggest turn off for me was her teeth. I notice teeth but didn't notice hers until The room and they were struggling. She was pretty mechanical and fake. Would I return to Brianna. Only if it was for ass play only (so nice and tight).

Amy: German from Stuttgart living in Berlin for a while now. We hit it off right from the start. She caught my eye while she was at the bar and she came and joined me on the couch. We talked for about 10 minutes, got to know each other a bit. The chemistry was ten times what it was with Brianna. Not exactly my type but I didn't care because of the connection. Best sex I've had in a long time. Interestingly, she also had quite a cleaning routine and then also jumped right into a very good BBJ. Since I had already unloaded once this was better. And she did a great job. After that she put the jimmy on me and rode me for a bit and then I finished in doggy, which she liked, and so did I. Would I see her again, yep, without hesitation.

Both girls offered extras, CIM and anal for extra, as well as extra time. Overall, I loved Artemis. Might be back tomorrow night. There were some real lookers and some that were not my taste. Seemed to be a good number of girls and guys. In fact, had to wait for a room on my second round. Girls said it was a normal Sunday night. Plenty of room to move and lots of options. And all the girls I met and talked to were cool. Some left quick when they could tell I wasn't interested but that seems logical to me. If your looking for a payday you should move on. Met girls from Germany, Spain, Moldolvia, Dominican Republic, and the former Eastern Block. Everyone was super nice. Didn't try the food. Maybe next time.

I've regularly reported that Artemis is my favorite FKK club in Germany. Usually this brings a number of negative views about the ages of the girls, the amount of siicones, tattoos etc. But one thing is for certain, whilst I've often left Sharks / Mainhattan / Oase disappointed, (LR I don't visit now due to the smoke filled cancer-inducing lounge) I NEVER walk out of Artemis having anything other than a great time. So it was again this evening. Arrived 7 pm. Initially thought the LU looked a little weak. You know you are visiting too often when no less than 5 girls approach you, recall your name within 10 minutes of being in the bar! But alas my favorite (joanne. Ro, long brunette, see cups natural) was not there. Ruby (without Cecilia) and Chrissie (without Joanne) were present. I really like Chrissie (tall blonde with red glasses) - she is great fun, has a great personality and gives great service. But tonight I wanted to try some new girls and there was no shortage for me of lovely girls to try. After some food (fairly poor. It is hit and miss at Artemis) and a beer, met up with stunning blonde Heather. Said from Moldova but spoke perfect Romanian. Stunning. Long blonde hair, bee / see cups natural, not a tattoo in sight. Aged 29 but looks 23. Black corset with attached stockings. She looked amazing. Beautiful face. Off to the room. 1. 5 hours, everything you can ask for in terms of GFE experience. Could have stayed with her all night. Lovely girl, great service, great attitude and not a hint of upsell. Perfect start and hard to leave her.

Shower, watched some football, another beer, into the bar. Immediately attracted to a super tall long dark haired girl on the couches (part of the Scarlett / blonde German crew). Over she came. Cannot recall the name but she says she is Turkish. Dreadful "you want to fuck me baby" opening. I say let's talk first and every second question is "you want to go to the room now? So I wait (not long) for the next "you want to fuck me" and I say "definitely not". No amount of trying to tell her I want to talk first was working. I didn't want a 30 minute interview -just a few minutes. She couldn't believe what she was hearing. She sought confirmation "you say you do NOT want to fuck me?" She said it like every guy in the club for all time wants to fuck her. She was not that good! I tell her I find her really attractive to look at but no I don't want to fuck you because you don't talk other than to ask for the room. I get it's their job but grease the wheels a bit. She is furious and returns to the couch and I had a good chuckle to myself.

Not long after I spot a very pretty short blonde, petite, great body, large tattoo on her back beautifully done. Says her name is Kerry. Sure. Mine is James Bond. It matters not. What does is her lovely smile, great attitude, sexy body and black suspenders. Off we go to the room. 1 hour, some extras (no upsell) and one of the best sessions I'd ever had at Artemis. Body 9/10 service 10/10. Not as GFE as Heather, not as sweet but sultry, sexy and good at everything she did.

There were at least 8 girls I'd have been happy to session with.

The stuff about the LU at Artemis being old is just nonsense. There is a fantastic mix. Spoke to German girls, 2 Dominincan Republicans, one Russian. You just don't get the diversity in other clubs in Germany.

For me, this is head and shoulders the best club in Germany. Service levels are better than anywhere else I've ever been (in Germany). One final point. I asked 7 girls if they knew of the new law prohibiting BBBJ from next July and not a single one of them had heard about it!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1957212]

"you want to fuck me baby" "you want to fuck me" and I say "definitely not". "you say you do NOT want to fuck me?"


For me, this is head and shoulders the best club in Germany. Service levels are better than anywhere else I've ever been (in Germany). One final point. I asked 7 girls if they knew of the new law prohibiting BBBJ from next July and not a single one of them had heard about it![/QUOTE]Thanks for this great report! LOL.

So BBBJ still alive in Art after July next year *thumbs up*.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1957346]Thanks for this great report! LOL.

So BBBJ still alive in Art after July next year *thumbs up*.[/QUOTE]Yep. Interestingly I had similar conversations with a Turkish Trio on Sunday night. A little too pushy for me.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1957212] One final point. I asked 7 girls if they knew of the new law prohibiting BBBJ from next July and not a single one of them had heard about it! [/QUOTE]Maybe they know already, but they are just in denial phase!

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1957346]Thanks for this great report! LOL.

So BBBJ still alive in Art after July next year *thumbs up*.[/QUOTE]Yes 2 very good reports this week. Ninja must reset pacemaker to "low".

BBBJ issue absolutely not resolved at all. Not clear what this will mean in future, and girls too busy giving BBBJs to understand finer points of German law.

Must consult Der Oracle Herr Doktor Prof Pharisaer. Only he has The Knowledge of where this is all going as of next summer. But as of now, what is will actually mean, and how enforced, very uncertain.

PayForlt,

The Turkish woman was maybe Sinem: She has the longest black hair in the club. She is about 180 cm tall.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1957591]The Turkish woman was maybe Sinem: She has the longest black hair in the club. [/QUOTE]Seen one, Sinem all.

[QUOTE=Suppenhuhn;1957591]PayForlt,

The Turkish woman was maybe Sinem: She has the longest black hair in the club. She is about 180 cm tall.[/QUOTE]The height is about correct and her hair was all the way down her back to her ass so that is probably her. She also had extremely long tallon white nails which were. Impossible not to notice. I liked her until she started speaking.

Yes it's Sinem with the nails.

Great report PFI!

Arrived at 5 pm on Sunday there were already a decent number of girls at the club. Almost immediately I found one of my favorite girls at Artemis, Akira (thai) in the lounge, she told me she has just arrived after one month vacation so I jumped at the chance to be with her.

Of to the room upstairs 1. 5 h with two pops. Very friendly girl with lots of kissing, DATY, BBBJ and squirting! All you can ask for in terms of GFE! I made her squirt a few times, she said it normally never happens but maybe because this was her first session after her vacation she was extra sensitive!? Great girl! Super service! Only downside she is often booked for many hours, so she is not easy to get hold of!! Highly recommended!

After this great start of the evening I went to the saunas for some much needed recuperation. After a little while I felt ready for another session, ran into Tara (Rom) in the stairs, we talked for a few minutes so there wouldn't be any surprises in the room. She has blond shoulder length hair with modest enhanced breast. Agreed on one hour at first she was not so keen on kissing but after I had her coming hard two times in DATY she became very easy-going and the rest of the session was very GFE. She had 'new' tits so they were very sensitive and therefore not grip friendly yet! Will definitely repeat!

Third and final session on Sunday was Carrie (Bul) 30 min, I have been with her a few times before, last time a couple years ago, unfortunately we don't have such a good chemistry. She is in my opinion one of the prettiest girls at Artemis with a great body and a matching beautiful face with blond hair at the moment (she used to be a brunette). Nice session with DATY, BBBJ and sex. Amazing you can have sex with such a beautiful girl for 60 euro.

Monday, arrived 2 pm at this hour Artemis is quiet which I think is nice because it's not noisy and smoky and absolutely no stress. Had some breakfast and then found Kisha (Ger / Bra) she really has a killerbody with brown curly hair. We have met each other before and we have a good chemistry, meaning we can talk about anything and the sessions (yes I had 2 one hour sessions) become very intense, absolutely GFE, I could become addicted to her!!

After two sessions with Kisha I met a black girl called Marisol (DR) started of in the kino downstairs then of to the rooms, nice girl but only light kissing so decided to only stay 30 min with her. Not sure I will repeat.

The food was not good this day so decided to go out for dinner (Saigon Green in Kantstrasse, very good Vietnamese) and come back later that evening. I was very tired when I returned, if I haven't left things in my locker I shouldn't be back that day, but I wanted to session with Akira but she was prebooked for the whole night, disappointment! Wasn't in the mood for any surprises so went with Madison (Rom?) mainly because I know she is second to none in the art of BBBJ! She is truly amazing! I even get her to squirt during DATY! She is the only one except Anni (Scandalo, Malaga) who has ever squirted during DATY with me!

Tuesday, Started of with breakfast and a session with Kisha again!! Magnificent!!

Found Kiki (Cam) a sexy black girl we had a session for 30 min with fairly good sex but no real connection so decided to stop after 30 min without any pop. Three days with so much sex its not easy to come. Decided it was time to relax in the sauna and swim for a while to get back into action a couple of hours later. Aksena (Bul) then found me on the sofas downstairs at the stair, I can't say no to her, because we have been with each other many times before. Totally GFE for 30 minutes, she is almost as skillful as Madison with her mouth so I had no problem to finish with her!

After this I had no intention to have more sex before I left for my flight, but then I saw her Helena or is it Heather? (Mol) as PFI wrote in his report. Unfortunately I could only stay 30 min with this very beautiful woman. We had a very good time in the room, she described my tongue as the ultimate sextoy for girls!! She said she has been working at Artemis on and off for three years but I have never seen her before! But will definitely repeat if I have the chance!

On this visit to Artemis I did see many girls I haven't seen before and most of them with natural looks. I would say 75% of the girls had natural boobs on these days so to say Artemis is only older girls with silicone is utter nonsense, but I like silicone so I wouldn't mind a few of them getting enhancements!!

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1957991]Great report PFI!


After this I had no intention to have more sex before I left for my flight, but then I saw her Helena or is it Heather? (Mol) as PFI wrote in his report. Unfortunately I could only stay 30 min with this very beautiful woman. We had a very good time in the room, she described my tongue as the ultimate sextoy for girls!! She said she has been working at Artemis on and off for three years but I have never seen her before! But will definitely repeat if I have the chance!

On this visit to Artemis I did see many girls I haven't seen before and most of them with natural looks. I would say 75% of the girls had natural boobs on these days so to say Artemis is only older girls with silicone is utter nonsense, but I like silicone so I wouldn't mind a few of them getting enhancements!![/QUOTE]I'll return the compliment Toxteth. A really good report. Great to see the LU at Artemis changing and becoming fresh. Heather is certainly very pretty and sweet in and out of the room. I have had one session with Marisol before. Your comment on Anni made me smile. Pure coincidence that I was at Scandalo last night and filed a report today about the best performing girl I've had in all my years doing this. A Cuban, Fabianna, body builder but very feminine and could do the splits whilst fucking your cock. Full legs behind ears in mish. Incredible body, great session. You really should try her. As for Anni. Despite going to Scandalo more than any other venue in the World I'm still to meet her! Apologies to all Artemis members for the little deviation to Malaga which I hope can be forgiven given the extensive reports from Toxteth and I this week on the improved LU and some great performers in Artemis.

Does anyone know if Artemis is the only club with a gym?

Artemis is not a very good club. The staff and women are rude. I suspect that this rudeness is because Artemis caters, mainly, to tourists. The guests are first and last time visitors. Therefore, there is little incentive to give good service. If you approach an Artemis woman in a decent manner, you can expect rude treatment.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;1958425]Does anyone know if Artemis is the only club with a gym?[/QUOTE]I've asked this question before and have been told it is. But I was recently at Sharks and met a guy from the UK who said he'd been in a gym in either Planet Garden? Or somewhere near there Villa something? I've not been to either but he said they were good. Others who travel around in cars will know those clubs and might known if they have a gym. I'd also like to know the answer for certain.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1958831]Artemis is not a very good club. The staff and women are rude. I suspect that this rudeness is because Artemis caters, mainly, to tourists. The guests are first and last time visitors. Therefore, there is little incentive to give good service. If you approach an Artemis woman in a decent manner, you can expect rude treatment.[/QUOTE]Where in Prague, there are no FKK like Artemis there in Prague.

Artemis is not a good club. One problem with Artemis is that Berlin has few clubs to go to. Since Artemis has little competition, the bad business can get away with rude service. The service is better in Frankfurt because the clubs have to compete with each other.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1953211]+1.

Was last time some years ago at Artemis. Line up and service level similar like Palace and below the other big Frankfurt clubs. Low service level at Artemis has almost nothing to do with girls nationality but with client structure (many tourists) and that Artemis has no competition through other clubs.[/QUOTE]Artemis has little competition and the result is poor service. Berlin is the largest city in Germany. Berlin has, however, only a few FKK clubs. Artemis can get away with poor service because: (1) the lack of other FKK clubs; sex clubs; etc. and, (2) the fact that most people visiting Artemis are tourists. Tourists are first and last time customers. Therefore, the women and the club do not depend on repeat business. If you give a polite Hello, to a woman at Artemis, one can expect to get a rude response. Some of the women at Artemis are sex traffic victims who only work there because some pimp forces her to work at Artemis. Stay away from Artemis. Tourist trap.

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[QUOTE=MichealRamdas;1951672]Hello Mr Ho,[/QUOTE]One should check the Artemis GOOGLE REVIEWS. A constant theme in the GOOGLE REVIEWS is that the women working at Artemis are rude.

I suspect this rudeness is because many women do not want to work at a bad place such as Artemis. The women at Artemis are often forced to work.

At Artemis by a pimp. These women only work enough to satisfy the low demands of a pimp. Read the GOOGLE REVIEWS and stay away.

Your posts are ridiculous, ThongLove. Are you the new HB.

Artemis has long queues to work there. The women want to work at this place because of best possibilities to earn much money.

Pimps belong to redlight scene partially but at Artemis not more than at other places.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1959068]One should check the Artemis GOOGLE REVIEWS. A constant theme in the GOOGLE REVIEWS is that the women working at Artemis are rude.[/QUOTE]Ah -er - 2 simple questions I cannot seem to get Google to make answers:

1. Have you personally ever been to Artemis?

2. Did you have a perhaps just slightly shitty time-just making wild guessing here?

Maybe you could report on this based upon your own personal experience vs. speculations of Internet "truth"?

A few very good direct reports last week - obviously these senior members were on drugs and or the payroll of Pimps R Us.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1959068]One should check the Artemis GOOGLE REVIEWS. A constant theme in the GOOGLE REVIEWS is that the women working at Artemis are rude.

I suspect this rudeness is because many women do not want to work at a bad place such as Artemis. The women at Artemis are often forced to work.

At Artemis by a pimp. These women only work enough to satisfy the low demands of a pimp. Read the GOOGLE REVIEWS and stay away.[/QUOTE]Yes all the Artemis ladies are pimped out, the pimps are kind enough to let many of the ladies drive 70 k€ Mercs & BMW's.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1959242]Yes all the Artemis ladies are pimped out, the pimps are kind enough to let many of the ladies drive 70 k Mercs & BMW's.[/QUOTE]Last time I was at Artemis I arrived at 10.55 am just before it opened, there was one other guy standing outside waiting to go in. When the place opened at 11.00 me and this other guy were the only two customers in the door. However the car park was still half full, all with nice Audi, BMW & Mercs, even a Bentley was there. So I assume these cars belong to the girls that are working there and stayed overnight.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1958914]Where in Prague, there are no FKK like Artemis there in Prague.[/QUOTE]No? [URL]http://www.saunaclub.cz/[/URL].

HB.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1958831]Artemis is not a very good club. The staff and women are rude. I suspect that this rudeness is because Artemis caters, mainly, to tourists. The guests are first and last time visitors. Therefore, there is little incentive to give good service. If you approach an Artemis woman in a decent manner, you can expect rude treatment.[/QUOTE]Sorry just have to disagree. When were you last there? How often have you been? Please identify the names of those who you say were rude to you. Artemis is a great club and IMHO it's getting better. LU last week was really very good. Bar staff were friendly, as were the two receptionists. I didn't get any rude treatment from anyone. I notice you have 4 posts in total. Are you affiliated with another club perhaps?

It's better not to post wholsale generalisations without some specific evidence to back them up.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1959296]No? [URL]http://www.saunaclub.cz/[/URL].

HB.[/QUOTE]I was there earlier this year:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?644-Prague&p=1915313&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1915313.

It's ok. Not on a standard with any of the FKKs in Germany in my view. Good vibe but the rooms are all underground, enclosed, no windows and they are SO hot it was impossible to stay with any girl for a long time without taking breaks to get air.

I most certainly wouldn't return to Prague just to visit this club.

In terms of the general tenor of the attack by ThongLove. There are lots of (serious) allegations of pimping, girls being forced to work there against their will (would be a real surprise to me) and rudeness. As other members have commented, his attack is baseless, appears not to be founded upon any visit, and so should therefore be wholly disregarded unless and until he comes up with something to back up what he was saying.

[QUOTE=Mac75;1959290]Last time I was at Artemis I arrived at 10.55 am just before it opened, there was one other guy standing outside waiting to go in. When the place opened at 11.00 me and this other guy were the only two customers in the door. However the car park was still half full, all with nice Audi, BMW & Mercs, even a Bentley was there. So I assume these cars belong to the girls that are working there and stayed overnight.[/QUOTE]Huh? What? I hope it was a sarcastic comment. Audi, BMWs and Bentley? For the girls? You know how expensive it is to own a car in Germany? Girls who are that rich wouldn't need to work in Artemis. If this is how filthy rich these girls are, then I'd probably think of working in the Artemis myself! LOL.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1959928]If this is how filthy rich these girls are, then I'd probably think of working in the Artemis myself! LOL.[/QUOTE]Bentley is owner's but others for sure have hot cars. Do math: 10 or 15 guys per day x 200 days per year. Even with tax and expenses.

However, don't think you would earn that much. Need better plan.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1959062]Artemis has little competition and the result is poor service. Berlin is the largest city in Germany. Berlin has, however, only a few FKK clubs. Artemis can get away with poor service because: (1) the lack of other FKK clubs; sex clubs; etc. and, (2) the fact that most people visiting Artemis are tourists. Tourists are first and last time customers. Therefore, the women and the club do not depend on repeat business. If you give a polite Hello, to a woman at Artemis, one can expect to get a rude response. Some of the women at Artemis are sex traffic victims who only work there because some pimp forces her to work at Artemis. Stay away from Artemis. Tourist trap.

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In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/QUOTE]All true, but if you don't have a choice, that's where you go in Berlin. Do you know other clubs within an hour away with better service and enough girls and clients? I get good service from my girls there. When I take new girls, I have more misses than in Hessen clubs, of course. These are the best.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1959062]Artemis has little competition and the result is poor service. Berlin is the largest city in Germany. Berlin has, however, only a few FKK clubs. Artemis can get away with poor service because: (1) the lack of other FKK clubs; sex clubs; etc. and, (2) the fact that most people visiting Artemis are tourists. Tourists are first and last time customers. Therefore, the women and the club do not depend on repeat business. If you give a polite Hello, to a woman at Artemis, one can expect to get a rude response. Some of the women at Artemis are sex traffic victims who only work there because some pimp forces her to work at Artemis. Stay away from Artemis. Tourist trap.

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In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Toxteth;1957991]Great report PFI!

Arrived at 5 pm on Sunday there were already a decent number of girls at the club. Almost immediately I found one of my favorite girls at Artemis, Akira (thai) in the lounge, she told me she has just arrived after one month vacation so I jumped at the chance to be with her.

Of to the room upstairs 1. 5 h with two pops. Very friendly girl with lots of kissing, DATY, BBBJ and squirting! All you can ask for in terms of GFE! I made her squirt a few times, she said it normally never happens but maybe because this was her first session after her vacation she was extra sensitive!? Great girl! Super service! Only downside she is often booked for many hours, so she is not easy to get hold of!! Highly recommended!

After this great start of the evening I went to the saunas for some much needed recuperation. After a little while I felt ready for another session, ran into Tara (Rom) in the stairs, we talked for a few minutes so there wouldn't be any surprises in the room. She has blond shoulder length hair with modest enhanced breast. Agreed on one hour at first she was not so keen on kissing but after I had her coming hard two times in DATY she became very easy-going and the rest of the session was very GFE...[/QUOTE]A few options exist. You were hallucinating, you have some serious eye sight problems or you cannot differentiate silicone from non silicon. However, your personal issues aside, Artemis has a majority of silicons. Fact. Punkt.

Oh, where are the Nina days in Artemis.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1959928]Huh? What? I hope it was a sarcastic comment. Audi, BMWs and Bentley? For the girls? You know how expensive it is to own a car in Germany? Girls who are that rich wouldn't need to work in Artemis.[/QUOTE]I wasn't been sarcastic, I'm quite sure a lot of these cars belong to the girls. I was with one girl once a few years ago in Artemis, she told me she had recently bought a Porsche Boxter. I thought to myself that is a lot of guys cocks in your mouth to be able to buy a Porsche, but I guess some girls have their priorities!

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1959296]No? [URL]http://www.saunaclub.cz/[/URL].

HB.[/QUOTE]Yup. Been there couple of times. Not as large or lined up as Artemis by a long way. But concept is the same.

[QUOTE=Mac75;1960168]I thought to myself that is a lot of guys cocks in your mouth to be able to buy a Porsche, but I guess some girls have their priorities![/QUOTE]This discussed years ago with shocking statistics [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1354366&viewfull=1#post1354366[/URL]

Was driving from Berlin towards Munich a couple of weeks ago, and had more or less decided to drop by Artemis as I wasn't in a hurry and a had some hours to spare.

Made it as far as pulling up in front of Artemis, but then decided against it last minute mainly as I've been picking up some bad vibes here on the Forum ever since the raid. Must say I haven't been there since.

But maybe things have improved again?

As an aside, I dropped by the FKK in Leipzig instead. Smaller with several girls literally fresh out of Macedonia and Hungary. Not bad, actually.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1959928]Huh? What? I hope it was a sarcastic comment. Audi, BMWs and Bentley? For the girls? You know how expensive it is to own a car in Germany? Girls who are that rich wouldn't need to work in Artemis. If this is how filthy rich these girls are, then I'd probably think of working in the Artemis myself! LOL.[/QUOTE]You're totally clueless, have you ever set foot in Artemis, If like me you tend to arrive at the club early, you will see in the car park several BMW, Mercs, Audi's yes the Bentley is the bosses, now some might be guests, but at midday there are only a handful of guys, some of the top girls earn big money even after paying their taxes.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;1959928]Huh? What? I hope it was a sarcastic comment. Audi, BMWs and Bentley? For the girls? You know how expensive it is to own a car in Germany? Girls who are that rich wouldn't need to work in Artemis. If this is how filthy rich these girls are, then I'd probably think of working in the Artemis myself! LOL.[/QUOTE]Nice girls in the FKK never earn less than 1000 euros a day just make the calculation 25 days a month, so easy for them to buy a nice car.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1960429]Nice girls in the FKK never earn less than 1000 euros a day just make the calculation 25 days a month, so easy for them to buy a nice car.[/QUOTE]How would you know? It's just not the case.

HB.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1960429]Nice girls in the FKK never earn less than 1000 euros a day just make the calculation 25 days a month, so easy for them to buy a nice car.[/QUOTE]That figure is a little generous, I would guess on a good day a popular girl can earn a grand, but not every day, but yes they do earn some serious money, even after paying taxes and costs, and then some guys still go and tip them, when the girl probably earns more than they do.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1960429]Nice girls in the FKK never earn less than 1000 euros a day just make the calculation 25 days a month, so easy for them to buy a nice car.[/QUOTE]If they want to earn that consistently, then they probably have to be perfect in every regard. Like looks, passion, energy etc etc. So maybe if you only choose to label 2-5% of the girls as 'nice girls', then I suppose you are right. But then again you get back to something siri talks about sometimes. Lots of guys get scared of the prettiest girls thinking they won't be as good once in the room. So this mechanism works in a socialistic way... so looks is not allways important even to all guys...

I had the pleasure of spending 30 minutes with Jenna aka Nova Nice. With 1550 CC fake boobs she was by far the bustiest girl in the line up during the two days I visited Artemis. I had wanted to meet her for a while so when I saw her sitting in the bar I got sooooo excited and nervous. Such a long time that happened to me mongering. She was super nice and gentle and very accomodating. Looks: Her boobs were gigantic and the main reason I wanted to see her. So overly oversized and firm / hard. So worth it. She also had well formed buttimplants and her enhanced curves together with her tiny waist was almost unreal. She also had huge filled lips with nice lipstick. Long blonde hair and very nice long nails. Her pussy was 100% hairless, so smooth I suspect she had laser treatments. The way she dressed in sexy outfit, super-high stripper heels (that stayed on) made everything perfect. Such a dream-girl for me. The service was. SUPER good. I had not expected that: she clearly understood that I was super-excited about her enhanced beauty and slowly let me play with all of it in different angles, slowly, touching and looking. Her OWO skills are very great, she used her soft huge lips well and made my cock really wet and slippery. I thank the euro 50 premium for CIM bonus potential for the VERY long and sexy blowjob.

I only lasted 3 minutes in mish but those 3 minutes were lovely. Such a super-great huge boobs blonde barbie fetish session for me. .

[QUOTE=Wiild;1960766]I had the pleasure of spending 30 minutes with Jenna aka Nova Nice. With 1550 CC fake boobs she was by far the bustiest girl in the line up during the two days I visited Artemis. I had wanted to meet her for a while so when I saw her sitting in the bar I got sooooo excited and nervous. Such a long time that happened to me mongering. She was super nice and gentle and very accomodating. Looks: Her boobs were gigantic and the main reason I wanted to see her. So overly oversized and firm / hard. So worth it. She also had well formed buttimplants and her enhanced curves together with her tiny waist was almost unreal. She also had huge filled lips with nice lipstick. Long blonde hair and very nice long nails. Her pussy was 100% hairless, so smooth I suspect she had laser treatments. The way she dressed in sexy outfit, super-high stripper heels (that stayed on) made everything perfect. Such a dream-girl for me. The service was. SUPER good. I had not expected that: she clearly understood that I was super-excited about her enhanced beauty and slowly let me play with all of it in different angles, slowly, touching and looking. Her OWO skills are very great, she used her soft huge lips well and made my cock really wet and slippery. I thank the euro 50 premium for CIM bonus potential for the VERY long and sexy blowjob.

I only lasted 3 minutes in mish but those 3 minutes were lovely. Such a super-great huge boobs blonde barbie fetish session for me. .[/QUOTE]Great to hear Jenna is back, and her looks and service are still good, hopefully I will see her myself again soon.

Has anyone been on these FKK tours I see ads for?

[QUOTE=Wiild;1960766]I had the pleasure of spending 30 minutes with Jenna aka Nova Nice. With 1550 CC fake boobs [/QUOTE]Just that everybody knows what Wiild is talking about. I guess I don't have to mention she is not quite my type.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1961026]Just that everybody knows what Wiild is talking about. I guess I don't have to mention she is not quite my type.

HB.[/QUOTE]Do any girls in NRW or Frankfurt 5 have her kind of silicon?

[QUOTE=DukesFord;1961076]Do any girls in NRW or Frankfurt 5 have her kind of silicon?[/QUOTE]No, I think she used all of it.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1960913]Has anyone been on these FKK tours I see ads for?[/QUOTE]No I've never used a tour, even on my first visit many years ago to a German saunaclub, I just did some research, checked the details, found the address, and turned up all on my own, without anyone holding my hand, if you need help in getting laid in Germany, then really you should probably not leave your home country, just my opinion.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1961124]No, I think she used all of it.[/QUOTE]Yes LOL there is a shortage now, not sure why there are no other ladies as large as Jenna, there is a small few escort girls in Germany like Kissie Love.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1960913]Has anyone been on these FKK tours I see ads for?[/QUOTE]These tours are useless. Just rtff and you'll be all set.

HB.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1960429]Nice girls in the FKK never earn less than 1000 euros a day just make the calculation 25 days a month, so easy for them to buy a nice car.[/QUOTE]Just arrive at the opening, stay all day and night close to girls lockers, to see how work business.

I think only a very few girls make only a few days 1000 , in German brothels. Maybe, they can when work outside. World is often empty, Oase is sometimes empty, At big Sharks, many pretty girls complain about lack of business, I advice 1 to try Globe, because rates are 2,7 higher.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1961339]Just arrive at the opening, stay all day and night close to girls lockers, to see how work business.

I think only a very few girls make only a few days 1000 , in German brothels. Maybe, they can when work outside. World is often empty, Oase is sometimes empty, At big Sharks, many pretty girls complain about lack of business, I advice 1 to try Globe, because rates are 2,7 higher.[/QUOTE]A year ago, when I first time met one of hottest girls (she claimed) at sharks, she told me that I could be her top ten-favorites-clients because I treated her so well. I took the chance to ask her how many customers she had so far then, she gave me the number was 5000 at that time. Considering that She started to work at Shark in about March 2013, it was a very successful business she got 5000 clients in just 32 months working by November 2015.

Let us do the math to estimate how much she made each day. She told me the majority were one-hour session 80%, less than 10% were half-hour session, the rest of were multiple-hour session.

In our many following sessions, she also disclosed other information. Based on those limited information, I assumed that she actually got about 6000 Hours payment. She told me usually worked about 20 days a month, so I easily figured out that she worked 640 days to get 6000 hours pay.

Then the average daily money collection for her would be:

6000 x 100/640 = 937.5 euro.

If she could get 10% tips, plus some extra CIM service. The average daily collection will go to.

- 1100 euro at most.

When working at Shaks.

The net income at most would be 1100-100 = 1000 euro. (In average).

I think she is by far one of the most successful WG among Sharks and FKK business. During her spare time, she accepted escort service. She once told me she would offer me 1500 euros daily rate, for other customers, she would charge 2000 euros.

So I conclude, there are only very few top girls could make more than 1000 a day in average in FKK business.

[QUOTE=JohnEllee;1961521]A year ago, when I first time met one of hottest girls (she claimed) at sharks, she told me that I could be her top ten-favorites-clients because I treated her so well. I took the chance to ask her how many customers she had so far then, she gave me the number was 5000 at that time. Considering that She started to work at Shark in about March 2013, it was a very successful business she got 5000 clients in just 32 months working by November 2015.

Let us do the math to estimate how much she made each day. She told me the majority were one-hour session 80%, less than 10% were half-hour session, the rest of were multiple-hour session.

In our many following sessions, she also disclosed other information. Based on those limited information, I assumed that she actually got about 6000 Hours payment. She told me usually worked about 20 days a month, so I easily figured out that she worked 640 days to get 6000 hours pay..[/QUOTE]5000 guys? In 3 years wow.

I always imagine some ignorant guy who marry these girls believing they used to work in bar in Germany kind of story LOL.

Since Ninja start this week ago, he regrets.
Please continue in Lounge where all monger accuntants and cuntsultants can debate and discuss for hours about their numbers, assumptions, secret interviews, matrix algebra, WTF theories, and explain and calculate.
Here is Artemis thread, to explain and fornicate.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1961339]Just arrive at the opening, stay all day and night close to girls lockers, to see how work business.

I think only a very few girls make only a few days 1000 , in German brothels. Maybe, they can when work outside. World is often empty, Oase is sometimes empty, At big Sharks, many pretty girls complain about lack of business, I advice 1 to try Globe, because rates are 2,7 higher.[/QUOTE]Just like every field the stars make big money. The rest make small money. Taylor Swift makes big money. The rest of the ladies singing in the local bar makes small money.

[QUOTE=JohnEllee;1961521]she gave me the number was 5000 at that time.

She told me the majority were one-hour session 80%, less than 10% were half-hour session, the rest of were multiple-hour session.

Based on those limited information, I assumed that she actually got about 6000 Hours payment...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrHo;1961589]5000 guys? In 3 years wow.

I always imagine some ignorant guy who marry these girls believing they used to work in bar in Germany kind of story LOL.[/QUOTE]I believed it didn't mean 5000 different guys. It means 5000 sessions. Some half-hour sessions, most one-hour sessions, some multi-hour sessions.

[QUOTE=JohnEllee;1961521]A year ago, when I first time met one of hottest girls (she claimed) at sharks, she told me that I could be her top ten-favorites-clients because I treated her so well. I took the chance to ask her how many customers she had so far then, she gave me the number was 5000 at that time. Considering that She started to work at Shark in about March 2013, it was a very successful business she got 5000 clients in just 32 months working by November 2015.

Let us do the math to estimate how much she made each day. She told me the majority were one-hour session 80%, less than 10% were half-hour session, the rest of were multiple-hour session.

In our many following sessions, she also disclosed other information. Based on those limited information, I assumed that she actually got about 6000 Hours payment. She told me usually worked about 20 days a month, so I easily figured out that she worked 640 days to get 6000 hours pay.

Then the average daily money collection for her would be:.[/QUOTE]Even she was not my type of GF behavior in room, for her beauty, I took my time and stayed 1 hour. I met prettier and busier superstars at World on 11th birthday, coming from Bumsalp, or at GT, full busy all days they work. They all told me wanted to make 1000 . It was in 2013 and 2014 , much more difficult to reach now, and Winter will be long.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1961339]Just arrive at the opening, stay all day and night close to girls lockers, to see how work business.

I think only a very few girls make only a few days 1000 , in German brothels. Maybe, they can when work outside. World is often empty, Oase is sometimes empty, At big Sharks, many pretty girls complain about lack of business, I advice 1 to try Globe, because rates are 2,7 higher.[/QUOTE]In Artemis they make over 1000 easy, especially on weekends. Artemis is a money machine and not all girls can get access to work there. Also, on average girls are better looking. What I mean by that is that some of the ugly girls at FRA clubs would never get permission to work at Artemis (maybe in cleaning), so the minimum for looks is set at a higher level. At the same time, for most beautiful girls, I can say that Artemis can be a little lacking on the natural looking girls front. So FRA clubs can have some natural looking girls that are a rare find in Artemis. Also, if girls don't know you in Artemis, you will get tourist service. If you pay for longer sessions, it will improve, but still not at FRA level.

[QUOTE=ThongLove;1961626]Just like every field the stars make big money. The rest make small money. Taylor Swift makes big money. The rest of the ladies singing in the local bar makes small money.[/QUOTE]No girl makes less than 500 in Artemis. That is the a shameful minimum for a girl there. Women don't care about guys and don't approach there last week clients a lot, meaning they girls you took last week will not chase you for sessions. They have too much work. Maybe the fat Thai works a little less or the black girls sometimes, but the rest are killing it every night.

Has anyone seen Turkish Shaz lately?

How is the black / SA lineup these days?

Last time I was there (March) I went with Amber (DR), Heather (Mol) and Valesca (DE / Moz). They were all very GFE.

[QUOTE=SimonRex;1961967]Has anyone seen Turkish Shaz lately?

How is the black / SA lineup these days?

Last time I was there (March) I went with Amber (DR), Heather (Mol) and Valesca (DE / Moz). They were all very GFE.[/QUOTE]On Saturday Artemis was very crowded and I was told on Friday it was also.

In the LU I saw 3 domenican black girls (I don't know names) and another black who told me some weeks ago she is from Hamburg, I think she is German.

Wow! I was told by a friend to go to Germany and check out the FKK clubs and it seems like this is a must do. He specifically recommended Artemis. For the past 10 or so years my favorite destination has been Rio so I'm looking to see if the FKK clubs can compete with the termas. Anyway, I'm in to black / Latin chicks of all completions with big phat (not fat) asses and white girls with big phat asses. Rap video types. Can anyone shed some light on this type at Artemis? I've seen a few posts that mention "a few black girls" but I don't know what they mean by a few since I've never been. Are we talking 1-2, or 5-10? Just curious. I live in NYC so I don't want to fly over to Berlin and not know what I'm going to see.

Also, if for some reason Artemis doesn't have many of the type I'm looking for are there any other places in Berlin that are recommended? Thanks for the help!

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1964897]Anyway, I'm in to black / Latin chicks of all completions with big phat (not fat) asses and white girls with big phat asses. Rap video types. I live in NYC so I don't want to fly over to Berlin and not know what I'm going to see.[/QUOTE]Well, everyone know if you want lots of black and latino "rap video" types, blond northern Europe with much of Romania thrown in, is the place.

NOT.

Use brain, save money, buy subway ticket to Queens, Bronx, Harlem. Or go wild in Detroit, Atlanta, or East LA. Support new infuckstructure areas for Trump.

You might try Sky in Wuppertal: [URL]http://www.sky-saunaclub.com/[/URL].

Totally not my taste, but one of the few clubs with latin girls only, and they offer very good (service"DFK and BBBJ already in the bar, and CIM / CIF included.

More subtle black girls (between 3 and 6) can be found in Babylon (Elsdorf): [URL]http://www.saunaclub-babylon.com/saunaclub-anwesenheit.php[/URL].

Hi guys. After 2 years of frankfurt treatment at Oase, Palace and Sharks. I finally decided to try Artemis for 1 reason: sillies. I was really disappointed to see Nika De leave Oase and I was told that before Osde she was at Artemis. Cross fingers. I read about the return of Jenna 1500 CC. Apart from her who seems friendly according to recent posts, do you recommend other girls? Last visit in Frankfurt was a bit dissapointing. Will try Artemis and if a disaster will push to GT in Vienna.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1964914]Well, everyone know if you want lots of black and latino "rap video" types, blond northern Europe with much of Romania thrown in, is the place.

NOT.

Use brain, save money, buy subway ticket to Queens, Bronx, Harlem. Or go wild in Detroit, Atlanta, or East LA. Support new infuckstructure areas for Trump.[/QUOTE]How does this have anything to do with what I asked? I guess you just had nothing better to do. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Maxime;1965048]You might try Sky in Wuppertal: [URL]http://www.sky-saunaclub.com/[/URL].

Totally not my taste, but one of the few clubs with latin girls only, and they offer very good (service"DFK and BBBJ already in the bar, and CIM / CIF included.

More subtle black girls (between 3 and 6) can be found in Babylon (Elsdorf): [URL]http://www.saunaclub-babylon.com/saunaclub-anwesenheit.php[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info!

I am a frequent visit to Goldentime in Vienna. I have written detailed reports on my visit, and generally spend between E500-700 a visit on 3 girls. My tastes gravitate toward fitter Romanians and Bulgarians (Blondes and Brunettes) who generally (but not always) have silicon and are in their early 20's. If I venture to Berlin in a couple of weeks for a visit to Artemis (or one of the others in Berlin), will I experience similar ladies, better? I have been told by ladies in GT that the venues in Berlin are more modern, and can be more private as well, which is I suppose a plus (though I am not particularly shy) so other than better surroundings, I suppose what I am asking for those who have sampled the delights, on the whole is the quality of the menu better or not.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1964897]. Anyway, I'm in to black / Latin chicks of all completions with big phat (not fat) asses and white girls with big phat asses. Rap video types. Can anyone shed some light on this type at Artemis? I've seen a few posts that mention "a few black girls" but I don't know what they mean by a few since I've never been. Are we talking 1-2, or 5-10? [/QUOTE]3-4 most days. Either south african or from dominican republic. But there is one hot black girl from venezuela too. Only hot when she is fit though. Her fitness is like a jojo. These black / mulatto girls are all 3-6. 5's. But the venezuelan can reach an 8 on a good day if she works out. But her ass is not the biggest. I don't know though, eastern european girls can look fantastic without ever having stepped into a gym, but black girls just fall apart like a sack of fluff. Sorry for the honesty...

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1951550]If someone can find me a person who actually believes the girls get checked regularly, and that that testing has much impact... Then I have a piece of land to sell you in Florida. Please get back to me.[/QUOTE]No idea how regular they are checked, but on my recent trip Vanity had a little plaster on her arm where she'd obviously had blood taken.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1951550]If someone can find me a person who actually believes the girls get checked regularly, and that that testing has much impact... Then I have a piece of land to sell you in Florida. Please get back to me.[/QUOTE]They do at Artemis. Where's that piece of land?

HB.

Anyone around on Dec 7th or 8th to hang out and give some inside tips for a newbie regarding clubbing in the Artemis?

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1967652]They do at Artemis. Where's that piece of land?

HB.[/QUOTE]I've talked to girls at Artemis that said they get tested every two weeks, others that said every month and others that said they aren't on a schedule, but that it's supposed to be every two weeks.

Sounds too loose.

Even if the girls get tested now and then you should always be careful and always use the condoms. 1 person out of 7 that have HIV in Europe doesn't know that they have HIV.

On average, it takes almost four years before HIV infection is diagnosed.

The number of new HIV infections were record numbers in Europe last year. Over 153,400 compared to the 142,000 of 2014.

There are more then 2 million people in Europe living with HIV.

There are a lot of girls in FKK-clubs that offer sex without condoms for an extra 100 euro or so. I have had that offer at Sharks a couple of times. Stupid risk to take.

[QUOTE=FlyByCable;1968052]Even if the girls get tested now and then you should always be careful and always use the condoms. 1 person out of 7 that have HIV in Europe doesn't know that they have HIV.

On average, it takes almost four years before HIV infection is diagnosed.

The number of new HIV infections were record numbers in Europe last year. Over 153,400 compared to the 142,000 of 2014.

There are more then 2 million people in Europe living with HIV.

There are a lot of girls in FKK-clubs that offer sex without condoms for an extra 100 euro or so. I have had that offer at Sharks a couple of times. Stupid risk to take.[/QUOTE]Did you guys ever hear about FKK girls getting contracted HIV in any of the FKK? I never heard it.

At least there is in house MD in Artemis though. Most clubs do not have that.

Anyways, I never even heard of getting hard STD at FKK clubs as well.

Just using condom could be fine, it will protect you for great extent.

The risk is oral, but it is so low.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1968237]
Anyways, I never even heard of getting hard STD at FKK clubs as well.

[/QUOTE]Well, herpes is rampant. (both HSV1 and HSV2) but perhaps nobody cares about that.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1968377]Well, herpes is rampant. (both HSV1 and HSV2) but perhaps nobody cares about that.[/QUOTE]Correct.

Please can someone write real report of experience and current line up, house mood vs all these tired, old themes and theories. Or go to lounge. No problem with this there. But here, Artemis thread is sinking in swamp of blah blah blah. Many good writers gone. Hope others speak up.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1968425]Correct.

Please can someone write real report of experience and current line up, house mood vs all these tired, old themes and theories. Or go to lounge. No problem with this there. But here, Artemis thread is sinking in swamp of blah blah blah. Many good writers gone. Hope others speak up.[/QUOTE]Ninja you have to wait for the return of the padawan to get a good report it seems. This thread turned into the disease talk thread, LOL.

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[QUOTE=Exodus8;1968439]Ninja you have to wait for the return of the padawan to get a good report it seems. This thread turned into the disease talk thread, LOL.[/QUOTE]You may be right. But meanwhile, interested peoples can watch 2 new TV series just out: Space Station Chlamydia 9 and Pestworld, and George Mucous making film: Return of the Herpes. And of course, we live in Germ any. Am afraid to even go outside without full body condom.

But- have 2 friends, highly trained, demanding, professional mongers, they went to A last Friday, said all was good, not too crowded, some nice new girls, food not bad, and they are still alive. Probably still 2 weeks left before girls slowly start leaving for holidays.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1968425]Correct.

Please can someone write real report of experience and current line up, house mood vs all these tired, old themes and theories. Or go to lounge. No problem with this there. But here, Artemis thread is sinking in swamp of blah blah blah. Many good writers gone. Hope others speak up.[/QUOTE]Was there last Friday, really so so club, will not return for sure in the coming months. Girls are average old and are looking like prostitutes, never was having the feeling of fresh, young women like in Shark, Oase or World.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1968952]You may be right. But meanwhile, interested peoples can watch 2 new TV series just out: Space Station Chlamydia 9 and Pestworld, and George Mucous making film: Return of the Herpes. And of course, we live in Germ any. Am afraid to even go outside without full body condom.

But- have 2 friends, highly trained, demanding, professional mongers, they went to A last Friday, said all was good, not too crowded, some nice new girls, food not bad, and they are still alive. Probably still 2 weeks left before girls slowly start leaving for holidays.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. I might visit A again hopefully the prepaid free entries still works even though its been over a yr.

Bc they are ninjas warriors with chi to protect them from diseases, LOL.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1968971]Was there last Friday, really so so club, will not return for sure in the coming months. Girls are average old and are looking like prostitutes, never was having the feeling of fresh, young women like in Shark, Oase or World.[/QUOTE]I visited on Saturday 12 November and Sunday 20 November (either side of passing through Berlin either side a a business trip). On the Saturday it was very crowded, both customers and girls, and the comment about the variety of girls available is true in my opinion. I managed to find Rosali with whom I have been with many times and she gives excellent service. Otherwise might well have left without going with any of the other girls I saw.

The Sunday visit was less crowded but the variety was again very poor and many older and just not attractive girls some of them with poor attitudes, especially when declined. I went with a girl from the Cameroons, enhanced breasts, who name I cannot remember but her service was awful.

Of course, this last encounter could happen anywhere but this club as definitely gone downhill in recent times.

I got to Artemis early, just after 11 am, paid entry at the reception and got changed and showered, in the lounge it was still quiet, got a drink and sat on a sofa, recognised a couple girls, and they passed by to say Hello,.

Evan Half Hour.

Also Evan came in to the lounge, this girl is hot, Romania? Pretty face wears glasses, fit body and nice sized fake boobs, a quick chat to her, and thought it wise to take her to a room, as this lady gets busy later on, so off to the room, Evan can be a little bossy, but I was able to cool her down, she doesn't like her nipples touched, think this is because they are large that some punters will be rough with them like they're trying to tune in Radio Luxembourg, no kissing but a sensual session, didn't rush, OWO was very good, sex in several positions, this girl is stunning, a optikfick, but she does perform well, and doesn't seem to just rely on her looks.

Got a shower and a drink back in the lounge, few more girls had appeared from upstairs, said Hello, to Kiki ans Mya, as I was sat in the lounge in came my new punting friend, this was his first time at a FKK club, think he was enjoying it and taking it all in, so we had a drink and I filled him in on the place, and the girls, I noticed my No:1 fan Virginia in the lounge, she has dyed her hair brunette, didn't quite recognise her at first.

We got some lunch in the restaurant, then I gave him the guided tour of the club, spent some more time down in the lounge, I think my friend had gone off and found a lady, as I walked back into the lounge I noticed Jenna stood by the entrance, she was looking hot as ever, had a short chat to her, she wasn't free, waiting for a customer, so said hopefully see her later, it got to about 5 pm, I hadn't yet checked into my hotel, so got dressed and as I went to reception bumped into Suna on the stairs, this young lady is Thai, but has lived in Germany most of her life, and she's very pretty, like a little Asian doll, I'd talked to her in the past, but never taken her to a room, had a quick chat, told her I'd be back later, and informed reception I'd return, you write your name and locker number on a piece of paper, so you don't need to pay entry again, my hotel was nearby and was back in Artemis in half hour.

Back in the lounge, had a drink and caught up with my friend, he'd made a new buddy a Emirati guy, he has visited Artemis many times, we got a drink, I bumped into Virginia as we went to take a seat, and I just said I hadn't recognised her at first, and complimented her new hair, she said thank you, so I'm slowly thawing out this ice queen. Me and the guys had a chat, and scoping out new girls, then went and got some dinner, which wasn't bad, afterwards let my dinner digest and took a seat in the lounge. Noticed Jenna was still with the same guy sat in the lounge, some guys seem to book her for several hours to spend time with, she is a nice lady, but if the meter is running at 2 a minute I don't see the point myself, and it a bit annoying for other guys like me who want to take Jenna to a room.

Suna Half Hour.

Suna who I'd spoke to earlier was in the lounge, she is obviously one of the popular girls in the club, as she gets busy, she spotted me and took no time at all to decide to take her upstairs, had a great 30 minutes with Suna, didn't kiss but this isn't a big deal for me, OWO was very good, her body is great, I let Suna suck me off for some time, then had sex in cowgirl, doggy and mish to finish, Suna is very interactive, and gets into the session, or is a good actress, a very good looker who perform well and seems a nice person, would have to see her again.

The rest of the night I took time out down in the sauna, or back in the lounge looking out for another lady, I seem to have become more fussy over time, couldn't decide who next, Jenna had disappeared and there was a lack of barbie type ladies, so had another sauna and rest downstairs.

Ella Half Hour.

This blonde Russian MILF I'd seen before, nice petite body, this was a mistake taking her again, but I wanted to give her a second chance, previously she tried cutting me on time by 10 minutes, and surprise surprise exactly the same thing happened again, she is good in the room, OWO was well done, but she tried to rush quickly to sex, which I stopped her doing, after I've cum a couple of times it usually takes me a while to cum again, Ella obviously is used to guys shooting quickly, so she tried cutting my time, but I told her I know what time we entered the room, I mean if we're paying for a half hour and it takes that time then ladies should take it on the chin not try to rip off guys, on the other hand there is times when I shoot before times up, and I don't make a point to stay until my times done, think some ladies mentality is it's only 60 basic service.

By this time it was late, I was sat at the bar talking to Vanity and her friend Akira or was it Kira? Another Thai-German girl, very pretty has a few tattoos, I wasn't bothered about another session, and Akira said she had clocked off, so had a chat and a drink, then went home about 3 am.

Saturday 19th.

Got to Artemis early, about 11:30, same procedure as usual, paid reception and got changed, the lounge was fairly quiet as usual this early in the day, I got a coffee and took a seat, a couple of girls tried to tempt me, but I didn't bite, had a sauna downstairs in the wellness, and got a drink.

Jenna 1 Hour.

So I'd noticed Jenna down in the lounge earlier, as I walked back in she was sat at the end of the bar with a couple of other ladies, so went straight over, had a chat, and asked if she was free, she was free, so we took a seat in the sofa nearby for a chat, had been nearly a year since I had last seen her, the year has flown by, she had had a bad year, she'd gone for another bigger boob op, but had had problems and a infection after surgery, Jenna is back up to 1575 CC implants after a long absence from Artemis. She is back to her huge titted barbie doll look, her boobs sitting in a quarter cup bra for support, sticking out like two scud missiles! So after a quick catch up we went upstairs to a room, still early so no waiting, I had a excellent hour with Jenna, DFK, OWO, 69, she didn't mind me touching her boobs, they feel amazing, sex was good as usual, in several positions, only minor issue is she cut our time short by about 10 minutes, was taking me a while to cum, so she probably had enough.

Took my time chilling out in the club, using the wellness area, having a sauna, and a jacuzzi outside, I hadn't had much sleep, so took a sleep down by the pool for a hour, which did me some good, refreshed and ready for the night ahead. Had some dinner and sat in the lounge to see what talent was about, a good selection of ladies, made a few mental notes, and had a few try to tempt me to a room.

Suna Half Hour.

After a bit of a chill in the lounge I fancied another session, I couldn't decide, then I noticed Suna was doing a walk of the lounge, she is one girl who is fairly busy, hadn't seen her for a few hours, and had a good time with her the previous day, so grabbed her hand and took her to a room, had a 5 minutes wait for a room, so wasn't to bad, In the room Suna was a nice sweet girl, a very good session, prolonged oral and no rushing, and good and enthusiastic sex, Suna is a little submissive and seemed to get into being controlled, this young lady is great, very pretty like a doll, and a proficient service.

Had a sauna and a rest by the pool, took a wander about, several ladies wanted to go room, I seem to become fairly fussy, was looking for a barbie type saw Jenna again back by the lounge entrance, asked if she was free, but she was waiting for her next customer, never mind, but I was after another barbie type, saw Brigitta walking the lounge, had a chat to her, we have history, I've sessioned with her a few months ago, where she'd cut me on my time, yes I probably should of missed her, but I wanted a fake boobed blonde, well Brigitta wasn't having it, she reminded me that we hadn't got on before, yes I had been firm but fair when she tried to cut my time, but I'm not a guy who goes out to be rude or agressive to the ladies, but Brigitta said I told her she was ugly and a bad person, I was like WTF! No idea where she got that recollection from, there would be no point me being that nasty, as it would achieve nothing, just hope I don't get labelled as a bad guy, as we know the ladies talk, and if Brigitta has the hump with me she could try to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on my bonfire.

Well time was getting on, had taken a seat by the bar, and was talking to Vanity and Akira, they seemed to of called it a night, and were sharing a 300 bottle of champagne, so business must of been good, so was looking for one last session, as usual I couldn't decide.

Cecille Half Hour.

This young and pretty barbie blonde Romanian I'd spoken to previously in the club, nice tanned and slim figure, and a decent medium pair of fake boobs, took her to a room, she was good, OWO was rather well done, I had to slow her down a little, but that isn't to much bother, sex was good, she was athletic and took a pounding, did cowgirl, doggy, and then on to mish, pulled out and cum in condom.

Cecille wasn't amazing, but not bad either, a very pretty young ROM girl, did just enough.

So by this time I was ready to leave, had a early flight from Schnefeld, so got dressed and out the door by 03:30, a shame I didn't see Priscilla working that weekend, will look out for her next visit.

Thanks for the detailed report.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1969273]Thanks for the detailed report.HB.[/QUOTE]Yes. Also to DFuk. At least finally real reports.

Only to remember: Sunday always weak day, best IMHO Thurs-Fri pm. Not so crowded with weekend wankers but still full strength. Sun good for chill factor but you must have favorites there-often not after 2 busy nights.

Had a short visit in Berlin and Artemis, arrived Sunday 5. 30 pm fairly good number of girls but imo the lineup was weak even for being a Sunday. Anyway as always there are a few ladies that catches your eye. First up was one of my favorite girls of lately, Kisha (Bra / Ger) she is a girl with brown extremely curly hair with an fitness trained body with enhanced tits, late 20's. I remember when I met her the first time then she was a little cold and had a hard time feeling relaxed, but now we have the best time together with lots of DFK and GFE with a very memorable BBBJ. Treat her right and you will be rewarded! Highly recommended!

Second girl Rebecca don't remember where she's from, she is slim with natural c-cup and a beautiful face, mid 20's. We have a good connection but she unfortunately was sore at her clit, so only suck and fuck this time but still very good. Recommended!

Third session Vanity, slim black girl from Hamburg mid 20's with large natural tits with a very beautiful face, she doesn't kiss at least not with me but she has a bubbly personality that weighs up for that, had her coming hard in DATY before sex in multiple positions. Recommended!

Monday, arrived as early as 1 pm met Valentina (Col) after breakfast she is a very passionate girl with lots of kissing and caressing and she even performs a very good massage after sex including standing on you and sliding all over you!! So weird but actually very good! She tries to up sell anal and CIM but not in a disturbing way I actually believes that she loves analsex but I am not so keen to pay €100 extra for that so I started to anal-fingering her and she reacted with some serious moaning. She is a fun girl to have sex with! Highly recommended!

Had another session with Kisha later on the afternoon, a perfect end before I had to leave for my flight at Tegel Airport. Next week Spain, Malaga.

Just wondering, if I took a lady for a hour, is it covers multi shot or just for cum once?

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1970694]Had a short visit in Berlin and Artemis, arrived Sunday 5. 30 pm fairly good number of girls but imo the lineup was weak even for being a Sunday. Anyway as always there are a few ladies that catches your eye.[/QUOTE]Nice report, thanks.

[QUOTE=Niislelhuu;1970814]Just wondering, if I took a lady for a hour, is it covers multi shot or just for cum once?[/QUOTE]You can come several times, but just to be sure tell the girl before you go to the room.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1970694]Third session Vanity, slim black girl from Hamburg mid 20's with large natural tits with a very beautiful face, she doesn't kiss at least not with me but she has a bubbly personality that weighs up for that, had her coming hard in DATY before sex in multiple positions. Recommended!

Monday, arrived as early as 1 pm met Valentina (Col) after breakfast she is a very passionate girl with lots of kissing and caressing and she even performs a very good massage after sex including standing on you and sliding all over you!! So weird but actually very good! She tries to up sell anal and CIM but not in a disturbing way I actually believes that she loves analsex but I am not so keen to pay 100 extra for that so I started to anal-fingering her and she reacted with some serious moaning. She is a fun girl to have sex with! Highly recommended!

.[/QUOTE]

Nice Report, thanks.

Some months ago I sessioned with Vanity. She didn,t accepted kisses and FIV which then cooled me down a bit. After your report I think I will try her again because I love her tits a lot and if she accepts DATY its okay. I wasn,t sure about that so I never more sessioned with her.

A question to Valentina? Is she a girl with curly hair? I remember I spoke with a colombian girl with curly hair but never tried a session.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1971030]

A question to Valentina? Is she a girl with curly hair? I remember I spoke with a colombian girl with curly hair but never tried a session.[/QUOTE]Yes you are correct! Dark curly hair, about 1,60 without heels.

3/12/16 short visit.

Small report was my first visit to any type of club and what a visit.

We arrived around 8. 30 and stayed for a paltry 2 hours (would have stayed longer but was part of a group).

I suppose you guys are well versed but for a first timer it was a real eye opener.

I had my first punt as well but nervousness took over.

She was Romanian very petite I'd say mid twenties but sadly in my nervous state I didn't listen to a word she said including her name.

Did a few positions but it was over quicker than usual for me.

+ points wealth of hot girls to talk to.

- points no girls downstairs in the pool area where there was less smoke.

10€ for a cheap beer.

Hello,

I may be in Berlin at the end of December and wanted to know what the average rate is for 30 min / 1 HR at Artemis.

Also, does anyone think the lineup will be okay given the holidays? Or is it better to wait until after New Years? And are weekends better than weekdays?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=KenzoTange;1976245]Hello,

I may be in Berlin at the end of December and wanted to know what the average rate is for 30 min / 1 HR at Artemis.

Also, does anyone think the lineup will be okay given the holidays? Or is it better to wait until after New Years? And are weekends better than weekdays?

Thank you![/QUOTE]Same as it's always been €60/€120, yes probably better to wait till the new year, but remember the Orthodox New Year is 14th Jan.

[QUOTE=Jerboa;1976407]Same as it's always been 60/120, yes probably better to wait till the new year, but remember the Orthodox New Year is 14th Jan.[/QUOTE]Thank you Jerboa. What is the consequence of the Orthodox New Year? Will all the lovely religious girls will be on vacation until 14th Jan?

[QUOTE=DavidFuk;1969114]I managed to find Rosali with whom I have been with many times and she gives excellent service. Otherwise might well have left without going with any of the other girls I saw.
[/QUOTE]Ah. Rosalie, De from Hamburg? Young, 21 (maybe 22 now), blond, cute face, slim top, thick lower body, legs. I had a good feeling about her, didn't try. I think she should have been a choice looking back at my sessions.

Rosaly is not a German girl. She has black hair and is a little bit older. She comes from Greece if it's correct.

[QUOTE=KenzoTange;1976731]Thank you Jerboa. What is the consequence of the Orthodox New Year? Will all the lovely religious girls will be on vacation until 14th Jan?[/QUOTE]Well Romania being mostly Orthodox, some of the girls may well be back home till the 14th, Artemis isn't majority Rom, so shouldn't cause a problem, just fewer girls.

Is there a normal FKK near (2 hrs drive) Berlin open on Saturday the 24?

Atmos in Hamburg is open, but very small.

Leipzig is open, but similar issue.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1977292]Is there a normal FKK near (2 hrs drive) Berlin open on Saturday the 24?

Atmos in Hamburg is open, but very small.

Leipzig is open, but similar issue.[/QUOTE]Harmony South Hamburg for top GFE brunette Nicole. Ro. Usually happy early hour. Nicole starts at 2 pm.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1977342]Harmony South Hamburg for top GFE brunette Nicole. Ro. Usually happy early hour. Nicole starts at 2 pm.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Siri! But, there website notes that they closed on 24-5-6/12.

Clubs in this area are not open mostly. Atmos is open, but super small. Leipzig not sure because when I called the super unfriendly receptionist didn't speak English.

Maybe I will prepone for today and do Artemis, but as a last resort.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1977410]Thanks, Siri! But, there website notes that they closed on 24-5-6/12.

Clubs in this area are not open mostly. Atmos is open, but super small. Leipzig not sure because when I called the super unfriendly receptionist didn't speak English.

Maybe I will prepone for today and do Artemis, but as a last resort.[/QUOTE]Harmony was opened on 30 and 31 last year. If You go close to Hamburg, call for Nicole who starts at 2 pm, if You liked Madi, you will like Nicole. She won t work on 31.

I was at Artemis today and yesterday. I used to have much better times here, the girls were very sharky, awful service on the most part. A lot of girls are gone on holiday and maybe the sharks remain. What I want to ask everyone is if service is better at Palace Frankfurt or Artemis, where people have tried both?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1977648]Harmony was opened on 30 and 31 last year. If You go close to Hamburg, call for Nicole who starts at 2 pm, if You liked Madi, you will like Nicole. She won t work on 31.[/QUOTE]Oooo a Madi substitute.

So 31 not, but 30 yes?

[QUOTE=Danny227;1978061]Oooo a Madi substitute.

So 31 not, but 30 yes?[/QUOTE]Nicole is not Madi. For 4 years, only Kate could compete for class, when not on public sex. Nicole is a real sweet candy from Romania. Discovered her on 30 December last year, with 2 rooms, repeated twice on July. Call Harmony on 29. Happy early hours, I think 40 or 45, and Nicole starts about 2 pm.

Atmos casting seem also attractive. Tyra. De is ex Bumsalp. Ch. To discover Mandy. De.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1977690]I was at Artemis today and yesterday. I used to have much better times here, the girls were very sharky, awful service on the most part. A lot of girls are gone on holiday and maybe the sharks remain. What I want to ask everyone is if service is better at Palace Frankfurt or Artemis, where people have tried both?[/QUOTE]I think you've just been unlucky because of the holiday break. I've been in both clubs in the past few months and whilst I don't think Palace is as bad is the press it gets, Artemis service is nearly always better for me.

Do you guys know if the Jacuzzi outside is open now? I called and they said yes, but honestly I wasn't sure if the receptionist understood the question and they misinformed me on the phone some time ago.

And second question, have you seen Avril lately?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Matodon;1978563]Do you guys know if the Jacuzzi outside is open now?[/QUOTE]Jacuzzi outside is closed.

[QUOTE=Matodon;1978563]And second question, have you seen Avril lately?[/QUOTE]Didn't encounter Avril since the beginning of December. IMHO she's on vacation now.

Hey guys,

I was last week in Artemis. It was pretty good. My question is, is Evan the girl with black glasses, thin body, beautiful place? She said that she's from Romania. I think that she's pretty busy there.

I was at Artimas on Monday December 19- night of Christmas Market attack. And was with a Romanian girl and I can't remember her name after 2 hour long sessions. Anyway, she is tall and thin with a swimmer or dancers body. Fake breasts, but under the muscle and don't look like bolt on orbs, and fit her body well. Tattoo on her hip and two piercings on her stomach. She has an angular face and deep eyes similar to a young Sophia Loren. Brown wavy hair with blond streaks that fell below her shoulders, but not super long. Very sweet girl and not a hustler at all.

Any help appreciated as I would like to return and see her again.

[QUOTE=Loucarm;1979534]I was at Artimas on Monday December 19- night of Christmas Market attack. And was with a Romanian girl and I can't remember her name after 2 hour long sessions. Anyway, she is tall and thin with a swimmer or dancers body. Fake breasts, but under the muscle and don't look like bolt on orbs, and fit her body well. Tattoo on her hip and two piercings on her stomach. She has an angular face and deep eyes similar to a young Sophia Loren. Brown wavy hair with blond streaks that fell below her shoulders, but not super long. Very sweet girl and not a hustler at all.

Any help appreciated as I would like to return and see her again.[/QUOTE]I fully emphasize with not remembering a woman's name. Very unpractical trait to have, both in this hobby and in the normal life. Unfortunately the description you gave fits 10+ different women in Artemis.

What kind of tattoo are we talking about (not having tattoos would be more remarkable in this place)? Age? Where does she sit in the bar (many girls have "their" spots). ? Do you remember her friends?

On the bright side: even if you don't remember her name. It does not matter, you will meet her next time in Artemis and can ask her about it then (I guess you will remember her from the looks).

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1981461]I fully emphasize with not remembering a woman's name. [/QUOTE]An unpresidented admission.

[QUOTE=Loucarm;1979534]I was at Artimas on Monday December 19- night of Christmas Market attack. And was with a Romanian girl and I can't remember her name after 2 hour long sessions. Anyway, she is tall and thin with a swimmer or dancers body. Fake breasts, but under the muscle and don't look like bolt on orbs, and fit her body well. Tattoo on her hip and two piercings on her stomach. She has an angular face and deep eyes similar to a young Sophia Loren. Brown wavy hair with blond streaks that fell below her shoulders, but not super long. Very sweet girl and not a hustler at all.

Any help appreciated as I would like to return and see her again.[/QUOTE]Yep, you definitely need to add details. As it is you match too many; Sylvia is Romanian (I don't recall tattoos), but the description is also a little bit of Megan who is German. The Sophia Loren description fits a skinny tall girl with no blond highlights. Black hair blue eyes, very skinny, tall, and she is very cool looking. Sometimes wears glasses for the chick. I only know her real name. Club name is something short like shy or jean.

Give more details.

[QUOTE=VaeVictis;1981461]I fully emphasize with not remembering a woman's name. Very unpractical trait to have, both in this hobby and in the normal life. Unfortunately the description you gave fits 10+ different women in Artemis.

What kind of tattoo are we talking about (not having tattoos would be more remarkable in this place)? Age? Where does she sit in the bar (many girls have "their" spots). ? Do you remember her friends?

On the bright side: even if you don't remember her name. It does not matter, you will meet her next time in Artemis and can ask her about it then (I guess you will remember her from the looks).[/QUOTE]I know. She was late 20's.

She hangs out in the lounge at the end of the bar before you get to that section with the stripper pole. On one of the chairs with her feet up.

Don't recall the details of the tattoo, but it was on her hip and pretty discreet.

She has 2 piercings on her belly. They are both the dumbbell type like you see in people's eyebrows, but with a longer stud (distance between two ends). One had reddish ends and was new.

I remember her saying her name was Keisha or something with a K, but later we were going by her Romanian name starting with a be.

I was a little drunk.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1977690] What I want to ask everyone is if service is better at Palace Frankfurt or Artemis, where people have tried both?[/QUOTE]70% dependant on the girl. Maybe 30% dependant on the club atmosphere / rules. With some girls more, with some girls less.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1977690]I was at Artemis today and yesterday. I used to have much better times here, the girls were very sharky, awful service on the most part. A lot of girls are gone on holiday and maybe the sharks remain. What I want to ask everyone is if service is better at Palace Frankfurt or Artemis, where people have tried both?[/QUOTE]In my book, Palace is merely banned. Artemis is so banned. Both are shark infested waters where the sharks eat other sharks. But, at least at Artemis, they just overcharge. Palace overcharges and tells you what a favor they're doing you taking their money. I'd like to think I'm experienced with FKKs, been going to them over 20 years. The hustling has just gotten too over the top.

When in DE, Golden Time / Bernd's / Finca Erotica / Sharks / Mainhattan work for me. Tried it once, it's great for budget punters who like uncovered sex with average to average + looking women, but left w / o a session. Couldn't get it up, condom, no condom for that lineup.

Also, World and Oase seem to be in decline. Sad to hear especially about Oase. This biz can become too much a pimpathon at times.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1983072]Sylvia is Romanian (I don't recall tattoos), but the description is also a little bit of Megan who is German.[/QUOTE]Neither Sylvia nor Megan.

[QUOTE=Loucarm;1983156]I remember her saying her name was Keisha or something with a K, but later we were going by her Romanian name starting with a be.[/QUOTE]And it's not Kisha.

[QUOTE=Action22;1983719]
Also, World and Oase seem to be in decline. Sad to hear especially about Oase. This biz can become too much a pimpathon at times.[/QUOTE]Your information channels are probably broke. You need to hire a technician. Oase is now better than any time previously (at least since 2013). Maybe lineup is better in the summer last year than winter right now since it is a club that shines with the sun. But food has improved, girls are allowed to do more, and they even have an insurance in place (rumor). Even a few girls have returned who I didn't think would. And still some new ones come. This fall I was about to start preferring Sharks over Oase for a few months, but in December after the changes Oase was the equal again.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1984376]Your information channels are probably broke. You need to hire a technician. Oase is now better than any time previously (at least since 2013). Maybe lineup is better in the summer last year than winter right now since it is a club that shines with the sun. But food has improved, girls are allowed to do more, and they even have an insurance in place (rumor). Even a few girls have returned who I didn't think would. And still some new ones come. This fall I was about to start preferring Sharks over Oase for a few months, but in December after the changes Oase was the equal again.[/QUOTE]In early December Line up of Artemis was really terrible, a lot of fat, older girls. It was worst line up I have seen in past 7 years. It was before Christmas departure began as it was first week of December, so it is true that the line up of Artemis is really bad now.

Artemis has to kick out those fat, older girls who has been there for years. Replace with more younger girls.

Artemis now is like any low end brothel with full of older fat girls. So sad.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1985103]In early December Line up of Artemis was really terrible, a lot of fat, older girls. Artemis has to kick out those fat, older girls who has been there for years. Replace with more younger girls. Artemis now is like any low end brothel with full of older fat girls. So sad.[/QUOTE]Have only 1 question:

Do you think Artemis has too many fat, older girls?

Every time you go there, you say this. Then you go back.

Einstein (alleged) or Benjamin Franklin definition of insanity: [URL]https://www.quora.com/Did-Einstein-really-define-insanity-as-doing-the-same-thing-over-and-over-again-and-expecting-different-results[/URL].

[QUOTE=Action22;1983719]In my book, Palace is merely banned. Artemis is so banned. Both are shark infested waters where the sharks eat other sharks. But, at least at Artemis, they just overcharge. Palace overcharges and tells you what a favor they're doing you taking their money. I'd like to think I'm experienced with FKKs, been going to them over 20 years. The hustling has just gotten too over the top.

When in DE, Golden Time / Bernd's / Finca Erotica / Sharks / Mainhattan work for me. Tried it once, it's great for budget punters who like uncovered sex with average to average + looking women, but left w / o a session. Couldn't get it up, condom, no condom for that lineup.

Also, World and Oase seem to be in decline. Sad to hear especially about Oase. This biz can become too much a pimpathon at times.[/QUOTE]My outlook is pretty similar as yours although Bernds is not on my list of clubs for location and the LU don't work for me. LR has a better place in my roster now than in the past as times change, clubs change.

I would give Artemis more shots if the LU was really good or if it wasn't a sharky club. Unfortunately location doesn't work so it's pretty much out to take look unless I have many more days to spare to take a look ever so often if I'm curious enough. Oase has been in decline since 2014.

Relatively speaking, World would probably be not worth visiting back in the days, but given the upselling levels in Hessen is on the rise, World is still not as bad as the others.

It seems to me all around 2014 onwards is when the downward spiral in De really occurred.

Mr Ho, there are many club in De, I don't see why you'the keep visiting the old Art over and over again if the LU is not to the liking. Also, Austria.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1986056]My outlook is pretty similar as yours although Bernds is not on my list of clubs for location and the LU don't work for me. LR has a better place in my roster now than in the past as times change, clubs change.

I would give Artemis more shots if the LU was really good or if it wasn't a sharky club. Unfortunately location doesn't work so it's pretty much out to take look unless I have many more days to spare to take a look ever so often if I'm curious enough. Oase has been in decline since 2014.

Relatively speaking, World would probably be not worth visiting back in the days, but given the upselling levels in Hessen is on the rise, World is still not as bad as the others.

It seems to me all around 2014 onwards is when the downward spiral in De really occurred.

Mr Ho, there are many club in De, I don't see why you'the keep visiting the old Art over and over again if the LU is not to the liking. Also, Austria.[/QUOTE]Visited World several times in the last days, LU is poor to average mostly no new girl, always the same one for many years, also quite empty during day time few men and many bored girls, very few are smiling. I know the weather is not good, we are beginning of the year but nevertheless when I go to a FKK it is also to be in a positive atmosphere, let see what the coming weeks will bring.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1986056]My outlook is pretty similar as yours although Bernds is not on my list of clubs for location and the LU don't work for me. LR has a better place in my roster now than in the past as times change, clubs change.

I would give Artemis more shots if the LU was really good or if it wasn't a sharky club. Unfortunately location doesn't work so it's pretty much out to take look unless I have many more days to spare to take a look ever so often if I'm curious enough. Oase has been in decline since 2014.

Relatively speaking, World would probably be not worth visiting back in the days, but given the upselling levels in Hessen is on the rise, World is still not as bad as the others.

It seems to me all around 2014 onwards is when the downward spiral in De really occurred.

Mr Ho, there are many club in De, I don't see why you'the keep visiting the old Art over and over again if the LU is not to the liking. Also, Austria.[/QUOTE]Yeah due to laziness and convenience really.

But Frankfurt was disappointing too.

Hmmm. NRW or Hamburg?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1986220]
But Frankfurt was disappointing too.
[/QUOTE]Does that mean you did not get to meet up with Kylie at Palace during your December visit?

PL: I don't see how you mean Oase has been on a downward spiral since 2014.2014 was when they tried out that pay for eat stunt there. Now that was a complete disaster for the club and made them loose lots of regulars to sharks. And maybe one or two top girls I miss from 2013-2014, but especially late 15 and 2016 had a much better lineup in average looks at Oase for me. Only russian natasha (or natalia) that I miss from back then.

Artemis on the other hand has too many missing girls. And I could agree much more that Artemis started going down in 2014. Step by step. And with lots of girls missing, and not as many top replacements.

Sharks has been up and now (it seems to me) on a downturn again. Palace was on a downturn, but I really enjoyed my last visit there with what I would call a strong lineup. Oceans has made me realize the nrw area is the place to go for new top recruits these days. And from talking to the girls, many high performers seems to have worked at clubs in austria and/or switzerland... So perhaps there is a fkk shaolin training groung somewhere high up there in the mountains. Like a Shangri-la for female pandas...

But mentioning such in here may somehow just turn out to highly increase the amount of girls claiming to have worked at places like gt vienna, globe, villach, lugano etc etc... lol

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1986056]My outlook is pretty similar as yours although Bernds is not on my list of clubs for location and the LU don't work for me. LR has a better place in my roster now than in the past as times change, clubs change.

I would give Artemis more shots if the LU was really good or if it wasn't a sharky club. Unfortunately location doesn't work so it's pretty much out to take look unless I have many more days to spare to take a look ever so often if I'm curious enough. Oase has been in decline since 2014.

Relatively speaking, World would probably be not worth visiting back in the days, but given the upselling levels in Hessen is on the rise, World is still not as bad as the others.

It seems to me all around 2014 onwards is when the downward spiral in De really occurred.

Mr Ho, there are many club in De, I don't see why you'the keep visiting the old Art over and over again if the LU is not to the liking. Also, Austria.[/QUOTE]Mr Pussylicker,

I just booked flight to NRW for February LOL.

Please come to lounge and chat or FKK ocean thread, as I need some tips, we only get to live once so we got to fuck as much as we can while we can LOL.

NRW here I come with cialis LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1986462] many high performers seems to have worked at clubs in austria and/or switzerland... So perhaps there is a fkk shaolin training groung somewhere high up there in the mountains. Like a Shangri-la for female pandas...
[/QUOTE]Haha. This is a quality. Maybe you should go to the source. The Shangi-la.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1986565]Haha. This is a quality. Maybe you should go to the source. The Shangi-la.[/QUOTE]Maybe, but I believe the girls are hiding the truths of its real location. And these clubs in switzerland and Austria are merely the closest us mortal males get. As it cannot possibly be a Shangri-la for us with those high expenses. LOL.

Has anyone more than me seen the review written by pseudonym Gregory Chandler when searching FKK Artemis at Google?

Wow, this man must be really pissed off at the Artemis or maybe he is suffering by a mental illness? His review has been picked away from Google several times but he keep writing the same word over and over again.

Is it really that bad at the Artemis, I have visited the club about 40 times in the past years. I have never seen this criminality he speaks about.

I hope it's okay to put his review out here.

WARNING!! ARTEMIS AND ARTEMIS' CUSTOMERS ARE TARGETED FOR MURDEROUS BOMBINGS BY ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.

My research shows that Artemis is a dangerous place with lots of criminal activity. The Berlin, Germany police raided Artemis in April 2016. The news reports are that the massive April 2016 raid had about 1,000 police officers. (Internet search: Artemis-Berlin April 2016 police raid) If you want to avoid run-ins with the police, stay away. People have been robbed at Artemis. Shootings and stabbings have taken place at Artemis. The Artemis staff and women are rude. I am told that the staff and women at Artemis are intentionally rude. I am told that a customer, with good manners, should still expect rude conduct from the Artemis staff and women. The comments below also inform about rude service or no service at Artemis. If you are a tourist, rude service should be expected at Artemis. There is the illegal sex trafficking of women at Artemis. The sex trafficking aspect of the business may explain the rudeness of the women. The women are, perhaps, rude because they are forced to work at a horrible place against their will. The reports are that many women have quit working at Artemis because the managers have forced women to have unpaid and unprotected sex with the owners and managers. The Berlin Hell's Angels motorcycle gang is active in the criminal affairs of Artemis. Among other matters, the police were investigating a murder with an alleged Artemis and Hell Angels connection. The women working at Artemis cheat men out of money. The managers are lazy, stupid, incompetent, and have no control over the staff and women. Some of these managers were jailed by the Berlin police in April 2016. I note the comment below by Remy Martin: "I hope this club shuts down and the owner gets cancer. " WOW! That must be the world's worst review of a bad business. I must agree with the comment below by Abdullah Alharthi that Artemis is a bad and dangerous place. The business should be given less than ZERO STARS. STAY AWAY.

UPDATE TO ORIGINAL REVIEW.

Earlier, a fake posting was done, on behalf of Artemis, about my review. The fake posting was removed recently.

I, however, continue to research Artemis. On January 12,2017, a poster named Mr. Ho stated, on the International Sex Guide, that: Artemis now is like any low end brothel and is full of older fat girls.

Based on Mr. Ho's comments, Artemis continues to fall in quality after the April 2016 raid by the Berlin police. In addition, Artemis is negligent about the number of prostitutes working at Artemis with AIDS / HIV. Given the number of ugly and diseased prostitutes working at Artemis, the business will continue to suffer.

My extensive research shows that the Berlin police have carried protesters away from the Artemis premises. People have protested Artemis' sexual abuse of women. (Internet search: Artemis-Berlin-Femen) Police have also carried drug dealers and other criminals away from Artemis. During the April 2016 raid, the police carried Artemis' managers away from the business.

Artemis is a dangerous place. If one decides to visit Artemis, one should travel there with weapons to defend oneself against unprovoked attacks and stealth assaults.

My interviews also inform that Islamic terror groups have targeted Artemis for bombings that will result in the destruction of Artemis and the murder of persons at Artemis. Many Muslims in Germany have suffered unprovoked attacks by motorcycle gangs. (Internet search: German motorcycle gangs attack Muslims) These Muslims are angry that Artemis engages in criminal activity with motorcycle gangs.

I will report my findings to the USA government. I will recommend that the US government issue a travel advisory informing US citizens to stay away from Artemis because of criminal activity, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], and Islamic terrorism. I will also recommend that the US government ban US military personnel and federal government employees from going to Artemis.

Wow!

In his next review I guess he will write that all the girls are aliens from an other planet who will eat your blood.

lI love how he uses Mr. Ho as a credible witness on the type of ladies found there. LOL. There are fortunately less older fat ladies there now. It seemed to just be a few that got in right after the raid last April.

So basically according to him, anything we write in here can get used as arguments for the US government to ban government employees from visiting Artemis.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1815202]
ALL this above can lead to not able to cum in pussy problem as your penis get too used to all the above stimulation. So you can almost only cum with your hand. , so I begin to treat myself with limiting wanking time, I just do once or maximum two times a day, but I try to limit my self to one time wanking per day.

And now I bought good masturbation rubber hole and I do not use hand to wank. I also stroke slowly to do so.

Now my problem got fixed and I will see how I will perform in 2016 in German FKK I hope I am back with vengeance and able to do 7 girls in one day LOL oh I look back and smile at those time when I was in my late 20's.

So be-careful how you wank guys and enjoy FKK for those who will still go in remaining 2 more weeks of 2015 ![/QUOTE]The solution is simple mate. If you want to be able to cum easily with girls, then give up wanking entirely, go cold turkey. Or at least cut back to a very low frequency, e. G. Two per week, only allow very soft touch and slow motion, and set a time limit. Do not wank at all for at least 1 week before FKK visits, better 2 weeks.

I am not joking, completely serious. With regular FKK visits or regular opportunity to play up with girls, I was able to give up wanking completely for a decent period of time. I know it is really tough if you are not getting any for several weeks in a row.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1987954]The solution is simple mate. If you want to be able to cum easily with girls, then give up wanking entirely, go cold turkey. Or at least cut back to a very low frequency, e. G. Two per week, only allow very soft touch and slow motion, and set a time limit. Do not wank at all for at least 1 week before FKK visits, better 2 weeks.

I am not joking, completely serious. With regular FKK visits or regular opportunity to play up with girls, I was able to give up wanking completely for a decent period of time. I know it is really tough if you are not getting any for several weeks in a row.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but I cannot for two weeks, but I will try to stop wanking one week prior to FKK visit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1987954]The solution is simple mate. If you want to be able to cum easily with girls, then give up wanking entirely, go cold turkey.[/QUOTE]S. you are very senior member. In 2017, you respond to [I][B]2015[/B][/I] comment about secrets how to cum better, in Artemis thread. W T F? This on top of other posts about whackos.

It is official. Thread is dead. So sad. Sayonara.

Well 2 full years of no sex or no wanking should do the trick on getting it hard. Now the bigger question would be if you manage to keep it hard for long enough to make the girl orgasm also, or just pop prematurely.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1988336]Well 2 full years of no sex or no wanking should do the trick on getting it hard. Now the bigger question would be if you manage to keep it hard for long enough to make the girl orgasm also, or just pop prematurely.[/QUOTE]It's good for your physical (and mental) health to "nut" on a regular basis. It's like anything else. If you don't use the equipment, it's going to rust and stop working! So, I try to nut at least every other day. If I go too long, that next nut actually might not feel so comfortable. So, keep the equipment oiled and pumping my lads! Hahaha!

Does anybody know if Akira (Thai) and Aileen (Tur / Ger) is around?!

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1988410]Does anybody know if Akira (Thai) and Aileen (Tur / Ger) is around?![/QUOTE]I saw both of them during first week of December, so they are still in the game, but I do not know if they are currently there now, sorry.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1988560]I saw both of them during first week of December, so they are still in the game, but I do not know if they are currently there now, sorry.[/QUOTE]Ok, thanks! Will try and see them early February!

[QUOTE=MrHo;1986220]Yeah due to laziness and convenience really.

But Frankfurt was disappointing too.

Hmmm. NRW or Hamburg?[/QUOTE]It is January, all clubs are on hibernate. World is better now than at any point in the last year. Oase lu is not amazing but because it is January. Sharks is a absolute disappointment. Management lets in any street walker and with the current clientele, the club at some points resembles the Turkish fleet market.

Waiting for the summer.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1989082] the club at some points resembles the Turkish fleet market.[/QUOTE]They are selling their ships?

Timing good because Ninja needs new model navy after bathtub accident with firecrackers over new year Eve.

Love torpedos los.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1989082]It is January, all clubs are on hibernate. World is better now than at any point in the last year. Oase lu is not amazing but because it is January. Sharks is a absolute disappointment. Management lets in any street walker and with the current clientele, the club at some points resembles the Turkish fleet market.

Waiting for the summer.[/QUOTE]Always the same story too many FKK, too many girls who are trying everything to earn money, change club every week, from Germany to Austria, Switzerland, escort in London or Dublin and obviously only the very top one can earn a lot. Best LU is most probably Shark after 5 PM, World has a lot of regular girls there for many years, Oase more for the week-end nights.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1989082]It is January, all clubs are on hibernate. World is better now than at any point in the last year. Oase lu is not amazing but because it is January. Sharks is a absolute disappointment. Management lets in any street walker and with the current clientele, the club at some points resembles the Turkish fleet market.

Waiting for the summer.[/QUOTE]Well I am going in two weeks in February, so I hope LU is back from holiday then.

#Natalia (Romanian).

Glasses, 5'8 in heels, small mole right below left shoulder blade.

Fit, natural B cups.

Fabulous, all you can take oral. Wildcat in doggy.

Friendly, talkative, great time.

Saw her late- 10 pm'ish- on weeknight.

#Elli (Romanian).

5'8 in heels, tattoos on her back of a pink bird, blue bird, some flowers.

Fit, natural B cups, short red hair (for now).

Sensual blowjob, accommodating sex, fun girl.

Great conversation. Couldn't get enough of her.

Saw her late- 10 pm'ish- on weeknight.

#Word of warning- avoid coming here on Wednesdays.

Wednesday is lingerie day so the women walk around covered more than usual.

Harder to spot implants, flabby bellies, etc.

Just got back from a nice day at Artemis (14:00 to 19:00). Had three sessions:

First: Avril from Romania. Exactly my type. Dyed red hair with pale skin. Closest thing to Lindsay Lohan in the club. Really enjoyed the session and the conversation. Her CIM skills were top notch, taking in the load (not letting it just drip out of her mouth to the sides like some girls) and a good job a draining every remaining drop for a good 30 seconds after climax.

Next: Sharon from Hungary. Very aggressive. I told her I needed time to recover after Avril, but she wasn't having it. Normally, I would just walk away. But her extreme confidence that her sucking skills would revive junior, plus her petite, yet curvy bod with gorgeous face and bright red lips made me cave in. She turned out to be right and was able to get me going, although it took awhile for me to finish CIM.

3rd and final punt of the day: Kareen (or maybe Korinna) from Romania. Brunette spinner with cute shin high black stockings. Another great session. By this time, I was a bit tired and the only way to finish was via tight, fast HJ.

Notes on the club:

This was my first time visiting in the winter. I really didn't like the fact that the entire outdoor area was closed. My three favorite things outside are:

1) The hot tub. I can't believe that such a big club doesn't have an indoor hot tub.

2) The outside sauna area with steam room. I prefer much steam room to dry sauna, and there isn't a steam room in the main building.

3) No self serve soda station. I prefer going to the outdoor one so I don't have to wait 5 minutes in a smoky area to get served (luckily, downstairs non alcoholic bar was open in the main building).

I can understand why they would close the pool and not have loungers, but I think the hot tub and the sauna / steam room area should be open year long.

Also, I forgot that there was a 3 hour time frame of no food from 15:00 to 18:00, which sucked for me when I started getting hungry at 15:10, haha.

[QUOTE=TheRugdr;1991698]Just got back from a nice day at Artemis (14:00 to 19:00). Had three sessions:

First: Avril from Romania. Exactly my type. Dyed red hair with pale skin. Closest thing to Lindsay Lohan in the club. Really enjoyed the session and the conversation. Her CIM skills were top notch, taking in the load (not letting it just drip out of her mouth to the sides like some girls) and a good job a draining every remaining drop for a good 30 seconds after climax.

Next: Sharon from Hungary. Very aggressive. I told her I needed time to recover after Avril, but she wasn't having it. Normally, I would just walk away. But her extreme confidence that her sucking skills would revive junior, plus her petite, yet curvy bod with gorgeous face and bright red lips made me cave in. She turned out to be right and was able to get me going, although it took awhile for me to finish CIM.

3rd and final punt of the day: Kareen (or maybe Korinna) from Romania. Brunette spinner with cute shin high black stockings. Another great session. By this time, I was a bit tired and the only way to finish was via tight, fast HJ.

Notes on the club:

This was my first time visiting in the winter. I really didn't like the fact that the entire outdoor area was closed. My three favorite things outside are:

1) The hot tub. I can't believe that such a big club doesn't have an indoor hot tub.

2) The outside sauna area with steam room. I prefer much steam room to dry sauna, and there isn't a steam room in the main building.

3) No self serve soda station. I prefer going to the outdoor one so I don't have to wait 5 minutes in a smoky area to get served (luckily, downstairs non alcoholic bar was open in the main building).

I can understand why they would close the pool and not have loungers, but I think the hot tub and the sauna / steam room area should be open year long.

Also, I forgot that there was a 3 hour time frame of no food from 15:00 to 18:00, which sucked for me when I started getting hungry at 15:10, haha.[/QUOTE]Hey TheRudgr.

It has been a while since I went to Artemis, after a mediocre experience a few years ago. First of all, Sharon (HUN) was not there when I last visited, but I had sessions with her on three previous visits. The perfect companion as you described. It does sound like she still looks good, but perhaps a little bit curvier. Nina (CZ) had long since retired. One of the reasons why I had a poor experience on my last visit was I was just walking to the dining area right after 19:00. I knew dinner was being served, but some Romanian girls started blocking my path. I would not have taken these girls in a thousand years, especially not on a empty stomach. They flat out told me that "the restaurant is closed". I told them NO and made a bee line to the dining room.

I did find a few girls there that night that were good performers. Esra or Ezra, (TUR) depending on how she spelled her name, treated me very well. There was also little petite Martina (BUL). She tried to get me to have a threesome with her friend, but I just took her again. Somehow, the magic was gone after she started to the heavy upsell. This was not our first meeting, so I was a bit disappointed. I believe I had one more session that night, but I would have to dig through my notes. It was not very memorable.

The outdoor area is probably difficult to maintain during the winter months, but I do remember taking a naked Martina outside and waiting for one of the outdoor rooms. She was shivering like a little girl in the cold. I took off my robe and wrapped her up. When we finally got into the room, we made our own heat. It sure brings back some memories.

I know that Mainhatten in Frankfurt has a self serve soda fountain in the dining room. Also, clubs like Living Room in Dusseldorf have self serve beer fridges. I never did like the Artemis bar area with the thick smoke. Above all, that was one of the primary reasons why I never went back. I do miss some of the girls there though. Avril does sound like my type of girl too, but it would be unlikely that I would make a trip to Berlin just to meet her. If I ever return on business, I would definitely look out for this redhead.

Thanks for invoking those good memories. All the best to you!

FiddyCent.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;1991798]Hey TheRudgr.

It has been a while since I went to Artemis, after a mediocre experience a few years ago....

I know that Mainhatten in Frankfurt has a self serve soda fountain in the dining room. Also, clubs like Living Room in Dusseldorf have self serve beer fridges. I never did like the Artemis bar area with the thick smoke. Above all, that was one of the primary reasons why I never went back. I do miss some of the girls there though. Avril does sound like my type of girl too, but it would be unlikely that I would make a trip to Berlin just to meet her. If I ever return on business, I would definitely look out for this redhead.

Thanks for invoking those good memories. All the best to you!

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Hey Fiddy,

Sorry to hear that your last experience was mediocre. I suggest you give it another try next time you're in the region. Being that it's winter, there appeared to be a couple more 4 or 5's (and one 3), but there were still plenty 7 to 9.5's to choose from. It did seem to get busier much earlier, but that could just be because it was a Saturday and the outdoor areas are closed, forcing all punters into the main building.

Yeah, the beer fridge at LR is the best! And I also like helping myself to the soda machine in the drinking room in Mainhattan, as well as the free champagne / mimosas on Sundays there.

Well, gad to hear I brought back fond memories. I'm off to spend the day at Artemis again and will post another report if anything worthy of note happens.

[QUOTE=TheRugdr;1991912]Hey Fiddy,

Sorry to hear that your last experience was mediocre. I suggest you give it another try next time you're in the region. Being that it's winter, there appeared to be a couple more 4 or 5's (and one 3), but there were still plenty 7 to 9.5's to choose from. It did seem to get busier much earlier, but that could just be because it was a Saturday and the outdoor areas are closed, forcing all punters into the main building.

Yeah, the beer fridge at LR is the best! And I also like helping myself to the soda machine in the drinking room in Mainhattan, as well as the free champagne / mimosas on Sundays there.

Well, gad to hear I brought back fond memories. I'm off to spend the day at Artemis again and will post another report if anything worthy of note happens.[/QUOTE]I will take your advice, TheRugdr and make a return to Artemis. This will only happen if the winds carry me back in that direction. I won't plan a trip solely for a return to Artemis. It will have to be a case if I am in Berlin for business and happen to have time to kill. For every bad visit, I remember how the good the club was in its heyday. Hope your day at Artemis is a good one.

Happy hunting!

FiddyCent.

As far as line up goes, artemis is finished! Unless you like fat, old, full of tattoo, silicone tits silicone face bottox type of girls. It is now same LU as ordinary brothel.

Single day visit today.

Arrived after 3 pm.

Sparse attendance at that time but notable Raissa (looked superb) and later Cassandra and Soledad.

No Fatima, Mary, Martina, Silvia.

Nikita 39 Ru Moskva 165 cm slim with augments and perfect rear, high check bones and dry wit, brown hair, dark eyes.

Pleasantly crazy. Full deal except no DATY, too sensitive and did not want to risk beard rub. Excellent skill set.

Corina 27 Ro Sibiu 162 cm slim, blond hair, slavic look reminds one of Iris. Delightful conversation. Stella performance, no upsell.

Elisabeth 33 Esp Valencia 152 cm petite perfect white skin, reddish hair, sparkling blue eyes. Non stop in the room.

All repeatable. Nonfat, non ugly, nice but interesting dance format fulfilled.

Left 2 am.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1988351]It's good for your physical (and mental) health to "nut" on a regular basis. It's like anything else. If you don't use the equipment, it's going to rust and stop working! So, I try to nut at least every other day. If I go too long, that next nut actually might not feel so comfortable. So, keep the equipment oiled and pumping my lads! Hahaha![/QUOTE]LOL LOL Right On.

[QUOTE=Bearsk;1992912]Single day visit today.

Arrived after 3 pm.

Sparse attendance at that time but notable Raissa (looked superb) and later Cassandra and Soledad.

No Fatima, Mary, Martina, Silvia.

Nikita 39 Ru Moskva 165 cm slim with augments and perfect rear, high check bones and dry wit, brown hair, dark eyes.

Pleasantly crazy. Full deal except no DATY, too sensitive and did not want to risk beard rub. Excellent skill set.

Corina 27 Ro Sibiu 162 cm slim, blond hair, slavic look reminds one of Iris. Delightful conversation. Stella performance, no upsell.

Elisabeth 33 Esp Valencia 152 cm petite perfect white skin, reddish hair, sparkling blue eyes. Non stop in the room.

All repeatable. Nonfat, non ugly, nice but interesting dance format fulfilled.

Left 2 am.[/QUOTE]See, it is all old girls now. It is over as far as LU goes for Artemis.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1993076]See, it is all old girls now. It is over as far as LU goes for Artemis.[/QUOTE]But older can mean experience too. Average age is going up, but girls like Ella is still going strong at 35+.

Someone like Aksena has more skills than most, and knows all the buttons to push. 30 ish years old, or close.

Some 20 year olds have no idea how to fuck.

22-23 and up is good. Below that it is 110% optics anyway, and -10% skill.

Unfortunately, options are running a bit thin at artemis, and not everyone stays strong when they close up on 35...

But calling it an average brothel is a bit of a stretch. Its still higher class than most. And there are few fat girls. That one sofa group of fat old romanians are gone I though?

[QUOTE=Bearsk;1992912]All repeatable. Nonfat, non ugly, nice but interesting dance format fulfilled.[/QUOTE]A brief fleeting moment of sanity here, before nutters return. Thank you Bearsk.

Artemis ok. Thread is dead. Sad. Quit.

[QUOTE=Bearsk;1992912]No Fatima, Mary, Martina, Silvia.[/QUOTE]No Fatima, Mary, Martina: quite correct. Silvia started at 8 pm or so.

[QUOTE=Bearsk;1992912]Nikita ... Full deal except no DATY[/QUOTE]AFAIK she accepts DATY. Had her some 20 times or so. Maybe I'm better shaved as you are.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1993230]No Fatima, Mary, Martina: quite correct. Silvia started at 8 pm or so.[/QUOTE]I missed Silvia. That's a downer, I love that girl.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1993230]AFAIK she accepts DATY. Had her some 20 times or so. Maybe I'm better shaved as you are.[/QUOTE]Likely yes, the beard did it. Maybe next time. To shave or not to shave, that is a question.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1993076]See, it is all old girls now. It is over as far as LU goes for Artemis.[/QUOTE]Most women have their charms.

Your attendance is voluntary. They can always put an EE high school uniform and teenagers night just for you. The rest of us would certainly turn up!

Arrived early Sunday afternoon as usual it's very relaxing the first few hours at Artemis. After some breakfast-buff and some time relaxing I wen't with Vanity (Ger) a small cute black girl with a bubbly personality, big natural tits, been with her before a couple of times so didn't ask for DFK but had her coming hard in DATY and the sex is very good with her and her tight body. Highly recommended!

After some rest and good talk with a fellow Swede, Spanish girl Lorena intruduced herself, kind of dark skin, enhanced tits, long black hair after some serious massage on my crotch I couldn't resist, so of to the room and a nice GFE-experience I would recommend her!

Left Artemis with the Swede around 17:30 for some nice Vietnamese food at Saigon Green on Kantstrasse, really fresh if you like asian food.

Came back to Artemis around 20:00 and the place was not full but busy.

Wen't with Dea a fitness-trained brunett with enhanced tits from Rus / Rum I have seen her at Artemis before but never wen't because she strikes me as arrogant and cold at first sight, and she have never met my eyes when I have been checking her out before almost avoiding it, but this time we started a conversation and she seems to be a funny girl. I must say I was a bit surprised that the session wen't so smooth I mainly choose her for optic but must say I will happily repeat her!

After some rest I did finally see my turkish favorite girl Aileen, it's more then a year since I last seen her. Probably 23-25 years old she hangs around with the german girls at the front end of the bar entering the club. Beautiful face, black hair in a ponytail, perfect perky enhanced tits and a tight body, this girl is second to none in BJ-skills all about her is supertight! I came twice with this lovely girl, pop 4&5! After I was dead and had to say no to a few of my old favorites, choosed to have a sauna and a massage downstairs instead before leaving approximately 00:30

Monday, came early again. The very small Valentina 150 cm (Col) joined me for breakfast and we decided we wanted to be our first of the day! She is easy to remember, because of her unique skills in the art of different massages. If you don't like her for her optics I would recommend everyone to go with her for her erotic massages, anyway she and I have very good connection and the session with her was highly energetic and very much GFE. Most highly recommended!

Second girl was Alia (Tur) she wears glasses, has a very tight body with perfect natural tits. Just like Dea Alia has been at Artemis for a while but we have never spoken before but she confronted me in the "sofa" under the stairs when I was lying there relaxing. We started with a nice BBBJ in the kino downstairs before going for the rooms behind the kino, she was nice and willing but we never really had any chemistry so I would have to think about going with her again, but she is beautiful and friendly but i guess you can't connect with everyone.

Third and fourth session was with my Turkish favorite Aileen as said before, gorgeous girl! Most highly recommended!

I've personally avoided Dea because I've seen her finnishing several guys in 10-15 minutes standing by the stairs. How long did your session last? Perhaps it is ymmv? She does look quite good though, and I recall she has a decent sense of humor...

[QUOTE=Pistons;1995489]I've personally avoided Dea because I've seen her finnishing several guys in 10-15 minutes standing by the stairs. How long did your session last? Perhaps it is ymmv? She does look quite good though, and I recall she has a decent sense of humor...[/QUOTE]Hello Pistons, yes I have also seen this before that and the reasons mentioned in my post was the reasons I haven't pursued my interest in her before. The session must have been very close to the half an hour mark because I started the session with giving her an big orgasm in DATY before she returned the favor with a sloppy long BBBJ and sex in several positions. I remember I was unsure if we had gone over the time or not when I was about to pay her and I didn't want to ask her by the lockers so I gave her two hundred euros bill and asked for change and she gave me back 140.

Hi Guys,

Anyone spotted Evan in Artemis during the past few days? Thinking of making a visit there this coming weekend if she is still around.

Many Thanks.

Howie.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1995489]I've personally avoided Dea because I've seen her finnishing several guys in 10-15 minutes standing by the stairs. How long did your session last? Perhaps it is ymmv? She does look quite good though, and I recall she has a decent sense of humor...[/QUOTE]A very regular of mine, with more than 40 rooms for 1 year and half, is used to finish rabbits in 10 mn, sometimes 7 mn between taking key and returning to let the key on desk. She often has 3 rooms per hour. About 20 rooms on Saturday. But she never ran with me. When we started, she said to me she preferred we had only 30 mn rooms after 8 pm, we had 1 hour rooms in the afternoon. Since long time, we had only 1 hour rooms even on Saturday night, she knows I want to choose the room upstairs to look at her ass, walking upstairs, we take time to relax, to foreplay. She is for sure one of the busiest girl in Germany, but she behave about her client behavior. With her amazing ratio waist / ass, she is my doggy fantasy, but also very friendly. Just a bit lack of passion and sensuality, but she doesn't have many clients who look for what I look for.

I don't care how girls behave with other guys, I just play my game to get what I want. I m sometimes surprised about what I read about girls I meet.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1995810]A very regular of mine, with more than 40 rooms for 1 year and half, is used to finish rabbits in 10 mn, sometimes 7 mn between taking key and returning to let the key on desk. She often has 3 rooms per hour. About 20 rooms on Saturday. But she never ran with me.[/QUOTE]Agreed, all of my favs doing lots of 7 to 10 minutes rooms. They smart enough and save their energy for their regular clients. Short time sesions are no sign of performance abilities of girls anymore.

The quicker the guys cum, the hotter the girl must be huh? New mantra perhaps?

Guys in here in the past have named some of their favourite girls whirlwinds and tornados. Next up is typhoons...

- she moved back on my cock doggy style, and completely blew me away! It was as if I was struck by lightning when I blew my load inside the condom after 1 minute. WOW, I've never cum this fast ever before! What a force of nature she was! Left me completely drained! And even time had flown faster than my watch! When we left the room, my stopwatch didn't even say 3 minutes! What a typhoon!

[QUOTE=Pistons;1995884]The quicker the guys cum, the hotter the girl must be huh? New mantra perhaps?

Guys in here in the past have named some of their favourite girls whirlwinds and tornados. Next up is typhoons...

- she moved back on my cock doggy style, and completely blew me away! It was as if I was struck by lightning when I blew my load inside the condom after 1 minute. WOW, I've never cum this fast ever before! What a force of nature she was! Left me completely drained! And even time had flown faster than my watch! When we left the room, my stopwatch didn't even say 3 minutes! What a typhoon![/QUOTE]What I meant was guys behavior make WG behavior. A girl can behave in very different ways with different guys, so I don't care about how a girl behave with others, or what is written about her. If she attracts me, I go to speak with her. I was often surprised in very good way and Kate never rushed me for 1 year and half, I never had 10 mn room with her. I think, among many rabbits for very fast money, she is OK about our 1 hour, different rooms with foreplay, not only doggy fucking.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1995985]What I meant was guys behavior make WG behavior. A girl can behave in very different ways with different guys, so I don't care about how a girl behave with others, or what is written about her. If she attracts me, I go to speak with her. I was often surprised in very good way and Kate never rushed me for 1 year and half, I never had 10 mn room with her. I think, among many rabbits for very fast money, she is OK about our 1 hour, different rooms with foreplay, not only doggy fucking.[/QUOTE]I know m8. Just that the opportunity presented itself with a joke.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1995985]What I meant was guys behavior make WG behavior. A girl can behave in very different ways with different guys, so I don't care about how a girl behave with others, or what is written about her. If she attracts me, I go to speak with her.[/QUOTE]I agree with all of this. This forum can help other members in general, BUT when it comes to attraction of women we are all different, some people like women big some like them petite some likes enhanced boobs some like them natural, somebody likes blondes some like brunettes etc. Etc. And maybe most important the connection with another human being is very individual and unique it really doesn't matter if it's a WG or a guy at work. If I see in my mind beautiful girl and we have some kind of connection I will happily take her to the room regardless what has been written about her by others. Then again if I'm confronted by a girl and I hesitate if I want to go with her or not purely on optic, then massively good reviews can put me in the right direction! For me the famous Nina was one of those girls, I didn't think she was especially beautiful or had a very nice body, but her outstanding reviews and her personality made me go with her, and I repeated her a few times after that based on fantastic service!

Echoed here for years take your time to talk to the girl a minute or two before heading to the room it will save you a lot of euros and bad experiences!

My advise would be to go with your gut feeling.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1996274]I know m8. Just that the opportunity presented itself with a joke.[/QUOTE]Some girls are really surprising. I remember Roberta. Ro met on Sunday 3 July at Sharks. I was watching Austrian F1 , when she arrived and sit not far from me. Usually, nothing can disturb me about F1 or ski races, but when I saw her, I knew it would be difficult to resist to her smell of sex sensuality until the race finished. I had one eyes on the screen and one eye on her white teeth smile and sexy body. I was happy a guy sit with her, so I could concentrate on race, but even she was stuck to him, he didn't go with her, so she spoke with another girl and kept on smiling, a nightmare to resist. Couldn't wait for podium, went to her smile. It was about 3.30 pm. I said to her I wanted her in chalet outside, under hot sun, but not so hot than her, with her wild sensuality, what a woman who smell sex, what energy, what passion for sex, couldn't even understand why she behave like this, she never let me breathe for 1 hour. 100 were not expensive with her. Unfortunately, coming from Relax around Zurich, she thought business was not good at Sharks, from Friday she arrived, so she didn't want to stay. Later I had to repeat with classy Ilka, so didn't repeat with this Romanian tornado and unfortunately she was not there anymore on next week ends. Lorena is really passionate but sweetly, Amira World was a real wildcat, LR medusa was always stuck on my face, breathing in my mouth, I met some sensual girl, but Roberta was so wet, so hot, so into fluent sex action, never stopping, like a washing machine, what I call a tornado. I was lucky to experience a woman like her, I would have liked to repeat with her.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1988410]Does anybody know if Akira (Thai) and Aileen (Tur / Ger) is around?![/QUOTE]Aileen around.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1997085]Aileen around.[/QUOTE]Any reviews for Olga in Artemis?

[QUOTE=Danny227;1997313]Any reviews for Olga in Artemis?[/QUOTE]In Artemis since December 2015. GFE, smooth French Kissing, DATY. Don't be disappointed, she's got plastic tits. Recommended and worth a try.

[QUOTE=Danny227;1997085]Aileen around.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I've seen her last week! She told me to ask the german crew next time because they know when she is coming to Artemis.

[QUOTE=Toxteth;1997410]Thanks! I've seen her last week! She told me to ask the german crew next time because they know when she is coming to Artemis.[/QUOTE]Saw her today. She is back from vacation.

[QUOTE=Pharisaer;1997406]In Artemis since December 2015. GFE, smooth French Kissing, DATY. Don't be disappointed, she's got plastic tits. Recommended and worth a try.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will try next time. I had a feeling that was the case.

[QUOTE=Howie;1995629]Anyone spotted Evan in Artemis during the past few days?[/QUOTE]To answer my own question, yes she is still there for all her fans out there.

Made a quick trip to the Love Banhof yesterday. Line up was pretty standard I. E. Pretty average looking lot with a few doable girls, no stunners except for one and quite a number of MILFy's around.

For their fans: Aileen (Germany), ex-Shark's Yra (Romania), Avril (Romania), Chantal (Romania or Moldavia) were there. No Ruby (Romania) nor Valesca (Germany).

Was tempted to try dirty blond Isabelle from Moldavia but she seemed a bit stuck up so at the last minute decided against it. She hangs around with Timea and another girl who looks very similar facially and bodywise to her and I thought they were twin sisters but she said they were not. Think she said her lookalike friend's name was Heidi or something like that. Anyone had the pleasure to try either of them out and feed back if I made a good or bad decision?

For the evening, I did the dirty deed with Evan. Hot looking as always. Had to get her early (8.30 pm) as she went AWOL later for the rest of evening and was nowhere to be seen.

Spotted a really hot looking blond new German girl whilst eating. Slim build but with curvy bum, dirty blond hair, medium height, small tits B- cups, an absolutely gorgeous face and tattoos of three stars or three birds behind on her right shoulder. I wanted to see her but she was nowhere to seen after my visual at dinner time. Anyone know who and what her name is? Another clue, she was dining and chatting with a new cute half black girl. Her partner in crime I think. Love to try and catch her on my next visit.

As I couldn't find this hot looking German and was a bit skeptical about Isabelle, decided to go with a safe bet and went with Emily from Sofia, Bulgaria. Nice curvy lass, cute face with silicon D cups. Reminded me of a fuller bodied vision of Helli from Sharks. Nice love handles and she loves anal for anyone interested.

All in all a mixed evening. Was hoping for more sparks but still left satisfied. Hoping to ignite that spark when I get to see this lovely new German. But if not I have GT Vienna and Wellcum to look forward to next week.

Howie.

130+ girls there on Thursday, yet I didn't spot a single new doable girl. Lineup seems unchanged yet again. I guess the tital lineup or regulars and semi regulars are 250 ish girls, so enough if you are new to the club, but age keeps going up if they get so few new ones in. Thats the main concern for Artemis, so I will probably skip it next trip even if I have a few girls I still like there.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1998133]130+ girls there on Thursday, yet I didn't spot a single new doable girl. Lineup seems unchanged yet again. I guess the tital lineup or regulars and semi regulars are 250 ish girls, so enough if you are new to the club, but age keeps going up if they get so few new ones in. Thats the main concern for Artemis, so I will probably skip it next trip even if I have a few girls I still like there.[/QUOTE]My word! This sounds really, really bad. Don't like what I've been hearing from most people about Artemis. Maybe I will save a lot of money then. We shall see!

I find all that almost impossible to believe. Over 100 and none were do-able? Ridiculous. Unless you only will take a 10 or a 9.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1998171]My word! This sounds really, really bad. Don't like what I've been hearing from most people about Artemis. Maybe I will save a lot of money then. We shall see![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;1998171]My word! This sounds really, really bad. Don't like what I've been hearing from most people about Artemis. Maybe I will save a lot of money then. We shall see![/QUOTE]If it had been located in hessen or nrw, it would have changed my take on it, and I'd place it on my next trips list also. But Berlin is a bit far away, and the extra effort is a bit of an investment too. Then I've also been there too much, and are tired of the couches and walls too.

Max: I didnt say none were doable. I said none of the new girls were doable. If there even were any new girls at all, which there probably were a short few of even of I didnt recognize any. Some girls that has been there for 6 months or more are still doable. And lots of those seeing there are so many girls...

Understood. I stand corrected. Do you know a blonde German named Mariella? She was my favorite when I went in late 2015. I believe she is still there.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1998344]If it had been located in hessen or nrw, it would have changed my take on it, and I'd place it on my next trips list also. But Berlin is a bit far away, and the extra effort is a bit of an investment too. Then I've also been there too much, and are tired of the couches and walls too.

Max: I didnt say none were doable. I said none of the new girls were doable. If there even were any new girls at all, which there probably were a short few of even of I didnt recognize any. Some girls that has been there for 6 months or more are still doable. And lots of those seeing there are so many girls...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1998425]Understood. I stand corrected. Do you know a blonde German named Mariella? She was my favorite when I went in late 2015. I believe she is still there.[/QUOTE]Sorry, no. I am terrible with names. Only occationally I write down some on my phone notebook, but it happens less and less. So I need to hear a name several times for it to stick. Lots of blonde germans come in and out at artemis.

Got to Artemis around 8 pm on a Monday evening. At 80 euros, the entrance fee was the steepest I have encountered so far this trip to Germany. If you want any alcoholic beverages, then you pay for chips that you will exchange at the bar for your drinks. I got two chips for 20 euros total. Already paid 100 euros and haven't even got to the fucking locker room yet! Got changed and showered and headed straight to the dining area to get something to eat. The food was shit! This is why nowadays I will try to eat a little something before going to a club. You just don't know if it's going to be a good food or a bad food night. After eating, I decided to walk around the club and see what was new, if anything, and to reminisce. Artemis is one of the first FKKs I visited during the start of my trips to FKK Land for fun. I have a lot of good memories from the place. Ahh yes! The kino and the rooms right off of it. I fucked pretty, blonde, Czech Marketa in the ass in this room right here (big smile on my face)! Marketa! Now that was one Artemis super star! Everybody was fucking that. And I got her in her forbidden butt hole! She went to the room so many times that I started calling her "Mattress Back Marketa" LOL! Not to her face of course!

While walking around, I had to fend off a few uglies. Went back to the main area and got a Jack and Coke, and settled down on my favorite sofa to lounge in at Artemis. The set-up is still the same after all of these years! Fended off about 3 to 4 more fuglies before I saw who I would be fucking for the night. Long blonde hair, blue eyes, a really pretty Aryan face, some big natural looking tits, and a decent butt. Skin also looked beautiful and flawless from where I sat. She was standing against the wall near the end of the bar closest to the dining room. I was looking and staring trying to get her attention, but she would barely look my way. Is she stuck up or shy or maybe doesn't like my type or what? I didn't know, and I really didn't want to come off as desperate by getting up and stepping to her. I saw her moving closer my way as she went to the bar to order something to drink. That's when our eyes locked in strongly onto each other, and I got a big smile! I smiled back and waved, but still it did not look like this blonde, German-looking beauty was going to come to me, so I assertively waved her over. And she came and sat next to me. Smiling and draping a leg across my lap. You guys know how the tutes do.

The girl told me that her name was Lilia, and that she was indeed German. From the north of Germany. Said she was 24 and had been working at Artemis for a year, but that she still returned to the Dusseldorf area periodically where she had worked at GT to see her many clients and friends who patronize and / or still work at that club. Lilia was very pleasant and easy-going and nice to talk to. She even laughed at my jokes hehe! I decided that I was very interested in sessioning, but first I needed to make sure that I understood what she would "make" in the room, and for what price. This is how the Romanian girls say it. What they "make" and "do not make" in the room LOL! Lilia said she was straight up ready for anything. Anal sex, cum in / on her mouth or in her pretty German girl face or on her body. Yippie kay yah I say! Such a pretty girl willing to do such naughty, dirty things! Price would be 60 euros per half hour with 50 euros extra for cum in face or in / on her mouth, and 100 euros extra for butt fucking her anus. So with all that, and knowing what I like to do and for how long, I knew I was facing a potential 270 euro bill! That would be a bit of a budget buster for me, but I did not try to negotiate with Lilia. To me, she was just too good-looking to pass up or haggle with, so decided to just go with it, and in the end things worked out just fine cost wise. Damn it! Forgot to ask about laundry again!

Now as we left to do the deed, it was a bit of a walk of shame. I mean every head in the house was turning to look, girls and guys! They all knew Lilia was fine! And I was getting ready to go fuck her! When we had been sitting on the couch talking, other mongers were walking by looking on enviously, and some with big smiles on their faces. They knew I was sitting with a looker LOL! Lilia told me that most of the other girls in the club don't like her. I replied that's because you're good-looking, they know it, and they're jealous. This is how women are to other women. I did notice one other tute (ugly) who seemed to be looking upon Lilia with contempt. In the room, Lilia turned out to provide a non-rushed GFE, as she said she liked to do and would "make" for me. I was turned on by her looks and personality, and for once I was thinking about making love to a German like Lilia, and not just about fucking a German girl in her ass. We started with Lilia kissing me on the lips and letting me suck / play with her big titties. They felt heavy and natural to my touch. Then next she started giving me some fantastic head. She licked my nuts and several times tongue-tickled me from my scrotum sack all the way up to the underside tip of my dick, stopping occasionally to kiss and run her moistened lips along the shaft. I groaned as she took the full head into her mouth, sucking and slurping. Looking up at me seductively as she sucked, and looking like a blonde, top quality porno starlet of the highest order. Then very lightly slapping my dick in her pretty face before deep-throat me all the way. Fuck! It felt so damn good, and got me revved up! I started to tell Lilia how I was going to sperm on her lips!

She seemed to like that dirty talk and started to lick and suck and smack her lips more voraciously. She had that blonde head bobbing like a bobble-head doll as she worked my dick around in her mouth, eventually settling on giving the most attention to the swollen, sensitive head, including tonguing my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] hole! Felt so damn good that I told her not to stop it! To keep tonguing that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] hole just like that, and that I was for sure going to nut in her mouth! Lilia kept it going, and sure enough my body went into uncontrollable, orgasmic spasms as I spurted sperm all in and on Lilia's mouth! I saw some of my cum around her mouth people! And like the damn good cocksucker that she is, Lilia did not pull away! No, absolutely not! She kept sucking and slurping all up and down the shaft and until she had taken every last drop of my semen into her willing and waiting mouth, making sure to clean me up all in the same now slower head bobbing movements. Eating all of my cum! Only once she had all of my spudge in her mouth did Lilia pull away to spit it out. Good, good, good, good, good! Only a full on swallow of my baby seed would have made it all even better. If you mongers want some good skull from a hot girl, give blonde, German Lilia at Artemis a try. I would not mislead you on this!

After some of the best head I have received this particular trip (Beatrice at Palace was even better, but she's not in Lilia's league when it comes to looks), I settled back for a long and fairly decent massage from Lilia. Her hands worked wonders up and down my shoulders, back, legs, and feet. With that done, it was time for round two! Lilia started to suck me again, this time to get me hard so we could fuck! She swung around into 69 without me asking so that I could munch that pussy and play with that forbidden Aryan arsehole of hers by rubbing my fingers around and slightly into her tender anal opening. Then the condom goes on and Lilia mounts me cowgirl! Leaning over and smiling she starts DFKing, and then leaning back and grinding and rubbing her family jewels against mine before doing that steady up and down and up and down and more up and down against my pelvis! Lilia's pussy felt great too, and at this point I no longer cared about getting into her ass. In my fantasy world this was my girlfriend who I was dating. Or, this was my wife, and we were now trying to get pregnant LOL! Yes, this my friend was what you call "the girlfriend experience"!

Told Lilia that I wanted on top, and she happily obliged. Entered her desirable body with a big fat dick and looked down upon her joyful face as I plugged away inside of her vagina. Her looking back smiling with her eyes dreamily half-closed and moaning. Soon had all of my weight upon Lilia's body precious body. Pressing her down onto the bed and kissing her face and lips. Alternating strokes between slow and deliberate and making couple's love to hard and fast stranger fucking! When I had built up the right kind of steam and was ready, I groaned and emptied my seed inside of Lilia, with only the thin condom being the sole barrier preventing any of it from reaching her desirable Germanic womb. Lilia acted like she wanted it in there though by grabbing my butt and pulling me into her as my dick spermed inside of her pussy. Some more kissing to finish it off. Very nice GFE session! Very, very nice! I usually go for the PSE over the GFE, but every now and then you meet "that one". That one with whom it's more like making love versus just plain fucking. This is how my session was with Lilia. We didn't just fuck. We made love!

When we were done, we went to the safes outside the locker room where I paid Lilia a well-deserved 170 euros total. A total of 120 euros for the hour plus 50 additional for cummimg in / on her talented mouth. Saved 100 euros by not engaging her in butt sex, but we both just let it all flow naturally. We didn't get to butt fucking as we were enjoying other things. So, we just let it be. Told Lilia that I would be around for awhile, so maybe we would have a chance for a repeat. She seemed delighted at the prospect. One last kiss on the lips, and then we both went our separate ways to get cleaned up. Saw her back in the main room, standing in her usual spot. She smiled and waved at me, and then boom! She was only there for a few minutes before somebody else stepped to her and wanted to session. Dude jumped on that! This is how it is for a good-looking tute like Lilia. She's hot, and she's going to get plenty of business. No doubt. Told her that she was the prettiest girl in there, that I wasn't just trying to flatter her, and that I meant it! Lilia was gracious and kind in accepting my compliments. And I bet that based on the service she gave me, she's probably built up a strong and loyal cadre of followers. She was with that guy seemed like 2 hours to me. We spoke again when she was in the main room again. She suggested that we spend some time together again. Maybe have some coffee together and talk. Not just off to the room to fuck. Yowza!

You know that completely satisfied feeling you get when you've accomplished something you care about? That's the feeling I had as I sat and enjoyed my second drink of the night. Completely and totally satisfied. I had fucked the hottest babe in the house according to my personal tastes. I looked around. Saw maybe 2 or 3 others I would be interested in doing. But damn it none of them were as hot as Lilia is! And not only was Lilia hot, but she was damn good in bed too and put out the way a tute is supposed to put out for her money. Fuckin' ay yeah! I left around midnight. Like I said, totally and completely satisfied. Besides, the cigarette smoke in there was really, really starting to bother me. So, it was a good time to leave. I just might have to repeat with Lilia though. If I do, then maybe just maybe next time I'm going to have to get up in the asshole. We shall see my brothers. We shall see!

Note: As a part of our couch talk, I learned that Lilia is very aware of the coming changes to the law on July 1st, and she isn't happy about it. Says she does not want to have to register and all that. Said that if she registers and gets stopped by the cops for some reason, then they will know she is a prostitute, which she would consider to be an invasion of her privacy. She also told me that the authorities are going to get tough on collecting taxes, which would mean less money for her. Depending on how things shape out, Lilia further told me that she just may go to working only one week a month in Germany, and then spend the rest of the time working in other countries. What a shame it would be for her loyal clientele in Germany to lose most access to her. Fucking legal changes messing everything up! She said she doesn't know how the BBBJ will be enforced, but she was very aware that any fines would be imposed on us mongers, and not on the prostitutes.

Was you attracted to this Lilia? I can't say I've really seen her at GT, but I heard she showed on rare occasions.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1998640]Was you attracted to this Lilia? I can't say I've really seen her at GT, but I heard she showed on rare occasions.[/QUOTE]Hard for me to say with 100% certainty that's her without seeing the face, but the tits do look familiar. Also, I notice that the picture says "Lilliana", but the girl I was with went by "Lilia". That means little though since the girls are always changing the names they use. Also, my Lilia's hair was a lot blonder than what's in the pic. Again means nothing since women are always changing their hair. So, it could very well be her. Where did you get that pic? One thing for sure is that the girl in the pic I've attached was there last night (don't know the name she is using at Artemis). I was kind of attracted to her, but did not pursue her since her facial features don't make it for me. I wouldn't say that her face is totally unattractive, but it's not that kind of "cover girl" beautiful that I like. Not Nordic looking enough LOL! I got the pic from the GT site, so girls obviously are working between the two clubs, which is no big surprise.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1998640]Was you attracted to this Lilia? I can't say I've really seen her at GT, but I heard she showed on rare occasions.[/QUOTE]Lilia is from Kiel I believe. Much whiter skin than on that picture there at the moment, but I can see it might get like that after weeks in the sun. Hard to say for sure it is her because of no face on the pic, but it could be her... She just claimed I had been with her twice. I just remember once, but she's a great girl for sure. Sometimes she works early she's the top girl for some hours, and I agree her service is quite good too. I'd do her again, especially when arriving early on a dayshift. Then again Georgiana also works dayshift these days and I'd rate her equally hot, but I never got around to trying her. Only flirting. And I allways postponed her a bit too much, and then she goes to bed at 23.00, and I regret my line for going with a night shift girl before her :/

Thanks for report on Lilia. Memories ☺

Thursday night, bang in the middle of Fruit Logistica messe. I was prepared for the worst but figured that the upside was that my chances of finding a couple of my favourites would be bigger than a normal day. My wish list: Antonia, Alessandra, Mandy, Fatima.

No Antonia as usual and no Fatima but blond petite Mandy (Austria) was there, sexy and friendly as always. Took her to one of the rooms downstairs, wonderful session and I thought my cock would explode when fucking her from behind in one of the most intense climaxes ever. I was shaking afterwards.

Shower, resting, coffee, sauna, fending of a couple of sharks etc. Then Alessandra (or Alejandra, not sure) from Spain suddenly turned up. This is a really small señorita with a beautiful face, very firm a-cup tits with the cutest small nipples, and a tiny but still extremely round ass. My god, that ass! And her attitude and sweet personality is just amazing. She didn't quite remember me from our last encounter (about a year ago) but never mind. She suggested one of the outside rooms because of the waiting time upstairs, and she said that even though it's a bit cold to get there the rooms are warm enough. Not quite so (she admitted), the room was pretty cold and the floor was freezing, however I was so mesmerized by her perfect body that I immediately forgot about the room temperature so it didn't matter. Kissing, caressing, pussy and ass licking. Then she gave me a blowjob. In my first report on Alessandra I said that I wasn't impressed with her fellatio skills, but either she just had a bad day on that occasion or her sucking skills have since improved considerably. Wow! She even deep throat me slowly and passionately, something I have only experienced with one girl at Artemis before (the legendary Nina, back in the days). 69, slow fucking, kissing, more playing with her tiny firm ass and her not quite so tiny pussy lips. Then lying on the bed for a while, cuddling and hugging after I had finished. I really could not ask for more, just perfect!

I repeated with Alessandra once more a couple of hours later (absolutely great once again), then slept by the pool until thrown out at 5. During the whole stay I more or less completely avoided the main bar area because of the crowd and the thick smoke in there stinging my eyes. Anyhow, yes it was a busy night for sure, but still no where near as bad as I had expected from other reports on big messe nights.

A while ago someone told me that Antonia only works weekends now, can this be confirmed still? What are my chances of running into her on any random Friday, anybody knows?

Over and out.

Mariella is short without heels (5'3 maybe). Has long blonde hair, great light skin complexion, natural breasts. She is friendly and hangs out near the poker machines just before you enter the main bar. Really sweet disposition. Great girl.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1998529]Sorry, no. I am terrible with names. Only occationally I write down some on my phone notebook, but it happens less and less. So I need to hear a name several times for it to stick. Lots of blonde germans come in and out at artemis.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;1998545] At 80 euros, the entrance fee was the steepest I have encountered so far this trip to Germany. I learned that Lilia is very aware of the coming changes to the law on July 1st, and she isn't happy about it. Says she does not want to have to register and all that. Said that if she registers and gets stopped by the cops for some reason, then they will know she is a prostitute, which she would consider to be an invasion of her privacy. She also told me that the authorities are going to get tough on collecting taxes, which would mean less money for her. Depending on how things shape out, Lilia further told me that she just may go to working only one week a month in Germany, and then spend the rest of the time working in other countries. What a shame it would be for her loyal clientele in Germany to lose most access to her. Fucking legal changes messing everything up! She said she doesn't know how the BBBJ will be enforced, but she was very aware that any fines would be imposed on us mongers, and not on the prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Another really enjoyable report so thanks The Cane. You've clearly visited a number of clubs in Germany on this trip. I always think us travellers benefit from a club comparison after a long trip. How would you rate the clubs you've been to on this trip out of ten under headings: Line Up / Facilities / Food / Service received. Maybe post in Lounge forum?

Separately, will check out Lilia if she is there when I'm across to Artemis in a couple of weeks. Sounds terrific. I was in Spain last week and had a couple of discussions with girls who had received calls from some of their Romanian friends who had explained that after the new laws come in, they will move to Spain. It might not only be mongers put off German visits by this in future. The girls might vote with their feet. Of course that might just be what the authorities wanted but given that prostitution in Germany is legal and the Government receives taxes from the industry, it will have backfired somewhat if revenues diminish due to girls moving to other countries with less burdensome rules (not to mention the sun! Germany's loss could be Spain and Portugal's gain.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1998948]Another really enjoyable report so thanks The Cane. You've clearly visited a number of clubs in Germany on this trip. I always think us travellers benefit from a club comparison after a long trip. How would you rate the clubs you've been to on this trip out of ten under headings: Line Up / Facilities / Food / Service received. Maybe post in Lounge forum?
I was in Spain last week and had a couple of discussions with girls who had received calls from some of their Romanian friends who had explained that after the new laws come in, they will move to Spain. It might not only be mongers put off German visits by this in future. The girls might vote with their feet. Of course that might just be what the authorities wanted but given that prostitution in Germany is legal and the Government receives taxes from the industry, it will have backfired somewhat if revenues diminish due to girls moving to other countries with less burdensome rules (not to mention the sun! Germany's loss could be Spain and Portugal's gain.[/QUOTE]Wow! Rating the clubs. I'll have to think about it and maybe post something in the lounge as you suggest once this trip is over. Still not done yet! As for the girls voting with their feet, interesting you say that since that's exactly what Lilia said she was prepared to do. Pound for pound and inch for inch, Spain happens to be my favorite country in Europe. So, yes maybe this thing could turn out to be good for the Iberian peninsula. I have a future trip planned wink, wink! The countries Lilia mentioned for future work were Switzerland, Austria, and The Netherlands. The girls aren't stupid, and they will follow the mongers and their money wherever it is.

Girls who will go to work in Spain for Summer because of new law, won t get much business after Summer there, and already so many girls in Spain, 200 girls at fuck factory for Arabs, Paradise Junquera. Lady Dallas and Madams quite dead, far from past models Loretta. Ro and Mikhaela. Ro. Mainly Switzerland, or Austria are higher for business, still with BBBJ.

Biggest fish in the pond rule still applies after 1st July.

[QUOTE=Howie;1997751]To answer my own question, yes she is still there for all her fans out there.

Made a quick trip to the Love Banhof yesterday. Line up was pretty standard I. E. Pretty average looking lot with a few doable girls, no stunners except for one and quite a number of MILFy's around.

For their fans: Aileen (Germany), ex-Shark's Yra (Romania), Avril (Romania), Chantal (Romania or Moldavia) were there. No Ruby (Romania) nor Valesca (Germany).

Was tempted to try dirty blond Isabelle from Moldavia but she seemed a bit stuck up so at the last minute decided against it. She hangs around with Timea and another girl who looks very similar facially and bodywise to her and I thought they were twin sisters but she said they were not. Think she said her lookalike friend's name was Heidi or something like that. Anyone had the pleasure to try either of them out and feed back if I made a good or bad decision?

For the evening, I did the dirty deed with Evan. Hot looking as always. Had to get her early (8.30 pm) as she went AWOL later for the rest of evening and was nowhere to be seen..[/QUOTE]I don't see the parallel to Helli from Sharks. Helli is light years better in any dimension.

[QUOTE=DrJekyll;1998919]No Antonia as usual and no Fatima but blond petite Mandy (Austria) was there, sexy and friendly as always. Took her to one of the rooms downstairs, wonderful session and I thought my cock would explode when fucking her from behind in one of the most intense climaxes ever. I was shaking afterwards.[/QUOTE]Mandy came on to me hard on two successive nights at Artemis, but I declined her. She's not my type, but I can certainly see how she would be somebody's. Like her blonde hair, but her face doesn't do it for me, and her skin is too white (like chalk). She can be funny and a good conversationalist though. Once I found out she was from Austria, I decided to hit her up for some intel. She said what do I look like to you? I'm a Catholic girl, which means that I don't fuck in my own country. I come to Germany to fuck! LOL!

Told her that I was touring around Germany, and she wanted to know which club I had been to that had the absolute most men patronizing the place. Told her that without a doubt it was Sharks, but that you also had to take into consideration that Sharks also had the most girls, so more competition (saw a pretty, blonde, Italian girl at Oase last night who left Sharks due to too many other girls). Mandy said she might check out Sharks, and I told her that I thought she would do well at any club she worked.

She said she really liked Artemis and did quite well there averaging 10 sessions a day, and had done 12 the day before. Just at the minimum half hour rate that would be 600 euros a day for her. But, you know she's not just getting the minimum. She's sucking guys off for another 50 euros and doing some hour-long sessions (or more). So, she's most certainly doing quite well! Saw her later sitting by herself and literally pouting. Asked her what was wrong, and she said, "I want to fuck"! LOLOLOL!

Now Lilia! What can I say? FKK wife material! I had two more rounds with her, which I will detail later. She was not at Artemis on Wednesday evening or all day on Thursday as she went home for a bit. Will be back on Friday evening and all day on Saturday. Then she will be leaving again for awhile to enjoy Carnival celebrations in the northwest of Germany. Plan accordingly if you would like to session with her.

Had only a brief visit this time. Partially due to social obligations and partly due to not really being in mood for FKK experience. Anyways, I arrived at 15:00 and left at 19:00. In that time there was never more than 14 girls available. Due to high men to women ratio, most of the girls were busy with only short breaks. Beside Italians, the place was filled with swedes and Norwegians throughout my stay which is very typical. Basically the prohibition in those two countries on buying sex is aiding the Artemis revenue.

Sessioned Brigitte from Hungary which nowadays sports a blonde long hair which suit her PSE style excellently. For those of you who do not know her, she has very prominent silicone breasts and lip injections and slim body. A very "porn look". As I said. These days she is a blonde but she experiments a lot with her hair. Very extrovert personality. Has plenty of customers.

She is veteran in the business and know all the dirty tricks in the book. As long as you don't let your guard down you will be fine with her. Good PSE performance.

For first time in long time, I met a new girl which I frankly don't remember the name of. She had experience from Frankfurt FKKs and provided a decent service. Nothing to complain about I just did not rate it over average score. Probably why I don't remember her.

In other news:

Jenna is still gone, after briefly having returned to Artemis for couple of months. Several German girls are on vacation nowadays. Nice change from my previous visit was that they have upgraded showers in both men and girls changing rooms.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1999971]Mandy said she might check out Sharks, and I told her that I thought she would do well at any club she worked.

She said she really liked Artemis and did quite well there averaging 10 sessions a day, and had done 12 the day before. [/QUOTE]She is a nice and very honest girl with high work ethics. It deffinately pays off for her. She once told me that she had done a summer tour at Oase and Palace in Hessen, but it was slower than Artemis for her, so she returned. She probably has a reputation and lots of regulars in berlin too... so it is probably hard if you just make short stays at other clubs to beat 10 sessions average per day... she does work long days though. Sometimes I feel she could have gained some from sleeping a bit more, as I have seen her very tired a few times. Perhaps it is that high 10 session a day goal she might have set for her that is a bit high sometimes... although I bet she count a 1 hour session as 2 sessions there... and a 2h session as 4... sure 10 a day in a weekend might be easy. But not average, as some days can be very slow. And she is not one of the weekend only girls.

Funny these room counting and especially room targeting. The girls usually target only in money, especially at Clubs like Artemis, Palace and Ohshit where many rooms more than a fifty.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2001102]She is a nice and very honest girl with high work ethics. It deffinately pays off for her. She once told me that she had done a summer tour at Oase and Palace in Hessen, but it was slower than Artemis for her, so she returned. She probably has a reputation and lots of regulars in berlin too... so it is probably hard if you just make short stays at other clubs to beat 10 sessions average per day... she does work long days though. Sometimes I feel she could have gained some from sleeping a bit more, as I have seen her very tired a few times. Perhaps it is that high 10 session a day goal she might have set for her that is a bit high sometimes... although I bet she count a 1 hour session as 2 sessions there... and a 2h session as 4... sure 10 a day in a weekend might be easy. But not average, as some days can be very slow. And she is not one of the weekend only girls.[/QUOTE]In the recent days, some girls from World, Oase, Mainhattan told me that they are considering to move to Artemis in Berlin just because it seems they will earn more in Berlin. Artemis has very few competitors in Berlin so obviously they are attracting many customers and bring a lot of business to the girls.

[QUOTE=Craiova;2001109]Funny these room counting and especially room targeting. The girls usually target only in money, especially at Clubs like Artemis, Palace and Ohshit where many rooms more than a fifty.[/QUOTE]Ofcourse, but the idea of room targets and average rooms (I've heard girls mention it a few times) is the same methodology as any sales person would use. Kind of like a hard sell. As opposed to the extras and tips which would be softer sells, and seen more as a bonus.

Maybe this is part of why they say sales people are the ones who understand prostitutes/escorts the most. The psychological aspect of it at least... it can be tough... at least the first years.

A little over a week ago, I wrote of my fantastic encounter with Lilia at Artemis. I enjoyed her so much that I decided to spend time with her on each of the following two days I was in Berlin. I made it a point to get to Artemis! On the second visit, after I had paid my entrance and was on my way to the locker room, who do I see but Lilia! Waiting to get paid from yet another session! We spoke and were friendly, and I told her that I would see her later in the bar. After I got changed and showered and all, stepped into the party area and found her sitting at the bar with some water to drink I think it was.

Lilia was glad to see me, and I would say that we spent about 15 to 20 minutes just sitting there talking. And this is one thing that was cool about Lilia. She's not just one of these "what's your name, where are you from, do you want to go to the room" type of tutes. No, if she likes you she will take some time and interest. Not just see you as a walking ATM to be emptied out! At the same time, as a monger you need to be cool with the girl too. That means that if you're not going to take her, don't sit there and try to hog up all of her time! If you're not going to take her, then let her go and just appreciate that she spent some quality time talking to you. After all, she's there to work and needs to try to make herself presentable to somebody else if you're not going to take her.

Now by this time, I had already been fucking around Germany for virtually two weeks straight! I was tired, and felt like I just needed to take a break. So, I decided not to go with Lilia right away. Told her that I was kind of tired, but that maybe later I might want to go to the room. She was cool and understood. Gave me a little kiss on the lips, and then she was right back to standing in her spot. That's another one of the things I like about Lilia too. She's always giving me kisses on the lips LOL! At the bar. If I stop to talk to her at her spot. If she sees me standing near the stairs. Near the lockers. In the room. Everywhere, everywhere Lilia saw me she was giving me kisses! I likes that hehehe! But I digress!

After leaving Lilia to do her thing, I just sat back in one of my favorite spots to where I could watch her. I hung out for about 4 hours. You know, eating and drinking and fending off approaches and stuff. And watching Lilia. And my friends, in those 4 hours I saw her go to the room 4 times! And remember she was just finishing up a session at my arrival! That's how the hell you know it's good boys! Everybody wants to fuck that. Keeping her busy! While watching, I came to understand why some of the other girls may not like Lilia and be jealous of her. You see, there are "prancers" and "posers". Prancers are going around all the time asking men to go to the room. Most FKK tutes are prancers. But now Lilia, she's a poser. She stands in one place. And the tricks come to her! It was literally no work for her. She stands. Poses. Looks pretty. Guys come up. They go to the room. Easy LOL! I bet there are plenty of other tutes in the house who hate her guts hahahaha!

So after watching this all play out for 4 hours, I finally decided that it was "my turn", but I was still dog tired and didn't think I could fuck. German Mariam over at World told me my dick was going to fall off when I informed her of my FKK travel plans LOL! Told Lilia I just wanted a massage (she gives good ones), and we agreed on a 30 minute massage session. Massage was great, and we had plenty of time to talk about things too. Lilia told me more facts and details of her life, including that she had done a stint at World that she did not particularly like. I told her that I wanted to see her the next day, and she said cool but make sure I got there like before 4 pm or so because she would be taking some time off to go home and would not work at all the day after next. We both agreed to meet up at the club the next day around the 11 am opening time.

So, I show up at about 11:30 am, and who do I see out at the area with the safes but Lilia! We have to stop meeting like this girl LOL! She gave me a now customary kiss on the lips, and told me she had gotten there about 15 minutes earlier. I went to change and such, got some coffee at the bar, then went for some breakfast which was decent. And what was great about the club was that hardly anybody was there! Maybe less than a handful of mongers, and about the same number of girls. A nice change of pace from the madhouse nights at Artemis! One reason why I wanted to stop by earlier than I had the previous 2 days was to see what the day shift was like talent-wise. Well, as the girls started to filter in, what I found was that it was the exact same tutes you would see at night LOL! Some of those girls are pulling some long hours man!

Anyway, I decided to go with Lilia for a third time, this time intending to make sure that we fucked! Oh yeah, I got another one of her great massages, but we also fucked in multiples too. And again, her asshole was on offer, but I just didn't get to it my brothers. In my previous long report on Lilia, I explained how great her BBBJ / CIM skills were. Although still good during this session, she didn't show me the full range of her talents as she had done the first time we sessioned. For instance, she didn't do that tongue tickle thing from the bottom of my scrotum sack all the way up to the underneath of the tip of my dick like she did the first time in the room LOL! There's nothing like the first time with a new favorite right? But still, it was all good! So good in fact, that when I sperm in Lilia's mouth this time, it was an even bigger load than on our first night together! I mean, after I nutted, she had "chipmunk cheeks" trying to hold in the sperm until she could spit it out hahaha!

The session continued with massage, then more fucking, including Lilia riding me reverse-cowgirl style leaning way over so that I could see her butt hole as she worked those Teutonic butt cheeks up and down. We finished in mish with me whispering dirty nothings (well maybe it was louder than a whisper hehe) into Lilia's ear as we humped forward to another nut for me. TC! Yes, yes! Blue-eyed, blonde German Lilia! She's a real winner folks! After my third session with her, we both went back to the bar. Me to one of the couches, and her to her spot. With she Lilia steadily leaving each hour to session! Before I think she finally left around 3 pm to head home by train. I asked Lilia if her mom knew what she did. She said heavens no! And that she tried not to flash too much money around her mom, lest she become suspicious. Get it while it's available and hot my friends! We never know when the latest pretty will just disappear from the scene!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2002734]But now Lilia, she's a poser. She stands in one place. And the tricks come to her! It was literally no work for her. She stands. Poses. Looks pretty. Guys come up. They go to the room. [/QUOTE]When at GT, she always stands at the same position. I'd say it is the area with most visibility and traffic. Basically anybody leaving locker rooms or reception area and entering the main lounge would walk past her. She seems to always be smiling and in a good mood. Inside the room as well.

I characterize her look as tomboyish. Usually she is wearing a headband or has her hair in a ponytail. I prefer the latter.

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She chooses the hairstyle that a female athlete would wear. Its practical for a WG like her who works so hard in the room that she is always sweating!

Lilia's BBBJ skills and stamina are 90th percentile. As you climax, her head continues to bounce up and down, at roughly the same speed, even after the last drop has been sucked out. Most other girls will slow up at the finish line. Or just stop moving their head and let the cum drizzle into their mouth.

The only negative is I think she gained some weight in the last year.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2001140]In the recent days, some girls from World, Oase, Mainhattan told me that they are considering to move to Artemis in Berlin just because it seems they will earn more in Berlin. Artemis has very few competitors in Berlin so obviously they are attracting many customers and bring a lot of business to the girls.[/QUOTE]Got names of girls? Well, Artemis is also a big tank, so being the biggest fish in the tank can be hard unless being top girl. More girls in average than sharks even. Even if sharks has rumored to have had more on few occations.

Funny thing about Artemis girls numbers is how they go up and down like sheep flocks. From maybe 80 in a week with few girls to over 150 lately for a busy messe week. And it goes up and down like that like a jojo. Then when lots of girls are on vacation a week and everyone is making money cus only 80-90 girls, they all call their friends 'come here now! Lots of guys!'. Next week it is maybe 160 and income is cut in half. Lol lots of girls alternate between for example GT or Sharks and Artemis also. And maybe to other clubs too...they try and hit the peaks at both places... in the past it was more alternation with palace and paradise. I think personally because of HA. But less now I think. At least with palace...

Add in girls from 3 other big hessen clubs to the mix, and maybe the jojo lineup at artemis goes from 90 to 200 soon. Lol

[QUOTE=TheCane;2002734] German Mariam over at World told me my dick was going to fall off when I informed her of my FKK travel plans LOL! [/QUOTE]Another nice report Cane. I'm in Art next week and will check her out for sure. Now my friend, you ready after your two week marathon to do a nice Club comparison report? Some possible sections:

1. Best service. 2. Best girl. 3. Best tits. 4. Best ass. 5. Best ambience in club. 6. Best food. 7. Best value for money. 8. Best rooms. 9. Best BBBJ. 10. Best FS provider. 11. Worst attitude 12. Worst club.

I could go on. Maybe we start a new annual "FKK Oscars" and you can be the first patron?

More seriously, travelling mangers find comparisons really useful. You write a good report so come on. Continue your excellent sharing of experiences with a comparisons report. Would be really good reading from someone who has been all over Germany doing this. Cheers.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2002932]Now my friend, you ready after your two week marathon to do a nice Club comparison report? Traveling mongers find comparisons really useful. Would be really good reading from someone who has been all over Germany doing this.[/QUOTE]First of all, it was nearly a three week marathon LOL! I just hit a wall at two weeks, but I sure the hell broke through that, hahaha! And second, I wlll do some kind of comparison, but it will be very, very brief. There are so many variables, and it's all so subjective.

Yes today more than 100 girls in this club. Waiting times door room. Girls making fast money. From 30 minutes. Girls giving from 10 to 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2001140]In the recent days, some girls from World, Oase, Mainhattan told me that they are considering to move to Artemis in Berlin just because it seems they will earn more in Berlin. Artemis has very few competitors in Berlin so obviously they are attracting many customers and bring a lot of business to the girls.[/QUOTE]If the girls want to earn more, then why not go to the clubs in Bavaria where the tutes seemed free to upsell and up-charge on everything with no obligation to negotiate or come down on price? At least in Hamburg I could get them to negotiate the total price for hour-long sessions, whereas it was more difficult (and therefore more expensive overall) in Bavaria to do that. So, why not Bavaria where they supposedly already have the no BBBJ rule (even though the Bavarian tutes still do it for an up charge fee)?

Hey,

Anyone knows if Cassandra (Turkey. 23 yo) is still around? Anyone see her recently?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2003035]So, why not Bavaria where they supposedly already have the no BBBJ rule (even though the Bavarian tutes still do it for an up charge fee)?[/QUOTE]There's no extra fee for BBBJ at Colosseum, Hawaii, Heaven or Palmas.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2003285]There's no extra fee for BBBJ at Colosseum, Hawaii, Heaven or Palmas.

HB.[/QUOTE]I went to Hawaii but did not session or speak to any girls about prices at that club. Didn't see anything I liked and would not return unless I just happened to be in the area for something, which is highly unlikely in the future.

[QUOTE=Tcl1234;2003187]Hey,

Anyone knows if Cassandra (Turkey. 23 yo) is still around? Anyone see her recently?[/QUOTE]Yes. Ten characters needed.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2003285]There's no extra fee for BBBJ at Colosseum, Hawaii, Heaven or Palmas.

HB.[/QUOTE]So rule is not applied and BBBJ is standard there?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2003035]If the girls want to earn more, then why not go to the clubs in Bavaria where the tutes seemed free to upsell and up-charge on everything with no obligation to negotiate or come down on price? At least in Hamburg I could get them to negotiate the total price for hour-long sessions, whereas it was more difficult (and therefore more expensive overall) in Bavaria to do that. So, why not Bavaria where they supposedly already have the no BBBJ rule (even though the Bavarian tutes still do it for an up charge fee)?[/QUOTE]They go to Zurich where all are inclusive with higher set price, and Zurich is where we mongers will go as alternate destination if German FKK girls begin to charge for BBBJ after July.

Or we can goto Austria too.

At least we got solution for this BBBJ issue.

Personally I will goto Zurich as price will be same if they begin to up-sell in German FKK for BBBJ. Where as Zurich serviced in guaranteed by the club.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2004220]They go to Zurich where all are inclusive with higher set price, and Zurich is where we mongers will go as alternate destination if German FKK girls begin to charge for BBBJ after July. Or we can goto Austria too.[/QUOTE]All the girls won't be able to flock to Zurich, and especially Globe. Many simply can't consistently stand up to the pressure of providing consistently high service day in and day out. I think Austria is a more suitable destination for most.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2003760]So rule is not applied and BBBJ is standard there?[/QUOTE]Idk what else you could read out of my post.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2004412]Idk what else you could read out of my post.

HB.[/QUOTE]There were few I read between the lines, but I understood your this post as direct straight forward more understandable no between the line post LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2004476]There were few I read between the lines, but I understood your this post as direct straight forward more understandable no between the line post LOL.[/QUOTE]This like Steve Bannon talking to Trump. Very alt-FKK.

Still would (far rather) like to know how VaeVictis got in girls changing room to check out new shower heads, 2 weeks ago.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2005220]This like Steve Bannon talking to Trump. Very alt-FKK.

Still would (far rather) like to know how VaeVictis got in girls changing room to check out new shower heads, 2 weeks ago.[/QUOTE]Maybe he just retrofitted his own head, and showerred the girls with it? Doctors these days do wonders, and less.

Great report on Lilla, The Cane. I will definitely try to see her if she's working next time I'm in Artemis. It was a very enjoyable read. In my experience at FKKs German girls can be gold-dust. Some of my greatest sessions have been with German girls. Including Nele at Artemis (no longing working there).

Only thing you didn't describe what Lilla looked like. Please help a fellow monger out with that!

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;2005590]Great report on Lilla, The Cane. I will definitely try to see her if she's working next time I'm in Artemis. It was a very enjoyable read. In my experience at FKKs German girls can be gold-dust. Some of my greatest sessions have been with German girls. Including Nele at Artemis (no longing working there).

Only thing you didn't describe what Lilla looked like. Please help a fellow monger out with that![/QUOTE]PL posted this picture. I think it's her, but without seeing the face I can't be 100% sure. The hair is now blonder than in the pic, and the skin whiter (it's winter hehe).

Hi, went to Artemis 2 months ago. Hated it for the following reasons: too smoky and small lounge compared to Sharks in frankfurt. Some 3-4 nice girls like 7-8 but very disappointed by Jena who had the biggest sillies but too hard. It was like touching a pair of rocks. No pleasure in that. The other girls were german, nice chat in the lounge but too professional in the room. Don't kiss bla bla. Never again. Going back to Frankfurt next time.

RioDeJaneiro1 might have had a bad night at Artemis a few months ago but this week I paid 2 visits to Artemis and for me, as ever it beats Sharks hands down on almost everything. To start with, when not engaging in the mongering, Berlin is a fantastic city. One of the best in Europe IMHO. Lots to do and see. Frankfurt on the other hand is dire. It is so boring. What is there to see in Frankfurt?

Turning to the various clubs, Sharks has a great female masseuse. Not as good as at Oase, Sakura or Oceans (the best) but still better than the open massage by a guy in Artemis. Very off putting. But that really is the only negative for me. I don't understand how any guy can walk into a club with maybe 90 girls and find only 3 or 4 nice ones. My last 3 visits to Sharks were a real disappointment on LU. But it fluctuates at all clubs. Sometimes great in one and terrible in another, and then it changes. In my experience of travelling to the various clubs in Germany (which is great) over time, Artemis has the best overall LU in all the clubs I've been to (12 now in total). I do wish Artemis would adopt the drinks tab system they have at Sharks / Palace / Oceans instead of those stupid tokens at 10 euros each which are too easy to lose. That is perhaps a second negative for Artemis but it stops there.

Wednesday started with one of the best looking women I've been in a room with at any club. In Germany and beyond. Grace, - tall brunette, very impressive natural dee cups but a lovely slim body. Only been at Artemis for a few months she says. Fantastic time in the room, kissing but not DFK, great oral skills and adventurous. I could easily have decided not to go with another girl she was so good. Left her after an hour but with some reluctance and vowed to repeat before the end of the week. Rest, chatted with the lovely Chrissy. Tall blonde girl who wears red glasses and stands at the end of the bar towards the pole. She is really intelligent, speaks about 7 languages, is Romanian but has an American accent. Not really my type to look at but the best company in the club. Funny, knowledgeable and very friendly. On her recommendation tried Madison. Blonde Polish I think. Quite steely looking. Good fun. Not as impressive on service as Grace but still had a nice time with her.

There were at least 10 girls I would have been very happy to session with. Some I knew from previous visits and others who were new. There are less sillies than normal and the age of the girls has gone down. Perfectly acceptable LU for midweek. Food was acceptable if not great.

Friday. Returned early. Unusual for me but was in the mood to try to sample several ladies. Started only 5 minutes after arriving having been struck by the terrific body of Raissa, Moldova. Short brunette, see cups (not natural) and lovely slim body. Great attitude, nice time. Beer, chat with some nice guys from Finland about differences in German and Spanish clubs, and on to Elena. Dark haired lovely pretty girl with very large, quite saggy but impressive dee or larger naturals. A must for any fan of naturals. She was great in the room, excellent BBBJ and great attitude. Would repeat. Rested and was taken by the slim Turkish girl with the heavy rimmed black spectacles, name sounded like Ally? Nails like razor blades and boy did she like using them. Bit too upsell for me. 30 minutes only. Very willing but I really don't like it when girls want to hold you when you are fucking them. I wasn't last in the queue but I'm no stallion and most girls will take a decent pounding with a few groans but no complaints. She held on for dear life and it was off-putting. After rest, food. Much better today, was deliberating next selection (plenty of really nice looking girls to select from and I am particular about not having "large" ladies). Decided to go for some fun with the blonde twosome Heather (easily the best looking girl in Artemis. Just a stunning face) and Isabella her friend. Both Moldovan they say. I've been with both before. Great fun in the room, lots of games and laughing. Heather is so pretty it is hard to pay any other girl attention in the room. Good session. Left out of breath. Long rest and finished the night with Kerry. Blonde, Bulgarian, large tattoo on her back. See cups not natural but well done and very pretty face. Again a repeat from a previous visit and no disappointment this time either. Nice hour with her to complete the trip. Searched the club in vain for Grace to complete a perfect visit but could not find her - no surprise - she is stunning and was likely busy for the whole night.

I've posted this before and will say it again: I've NEVER had a bad experience in Artemis. The lounge is smokey (which I don't like) but nowhere near as bad as the tiny room at Samya, and there are lots of places to escape it. Kinos x2, the downstairs wellness area is really nice, outdoors (not this week: too cold), and the infamous watching place at the spiral staircase. So no need to spent so long in the lounge. I don't smoke, and hate it, so for me not to notice too much it cannot be that bad.

Another great trip to Artemis. Great LU twice in a week, great options and located in one of Germany's best cities.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2005991]RioDeJaneiro1 might have had a bad night at Artemis a few months ago but this week I paid 2 visits to Artemis and for me, as ever it beats Sharks hands down on almost everything. To start with, when not engaging in the mongering, Berlin is a fantastic city. One of the best in Europe IMHO. Lots to do and see. Frankfurt on the other hand is dire. It is so boring. What is there to see in Frankfurt?

Turning to the various clubs, Sharks has a great female masseuse. Not as good as at Oase, Sakura or Oceans (the best) but still better than the open massage by a guy in Artemis. Very off putting. But that really is the only negative for me. I don't understand how any guy can walk into a club with maybe 90 girls and find only 3 or 4 nice ones. My last 3 visits to Sharks were a real disappointment on LU. But it fluctuates at all clubs. Sometimes great in one and terrible in another, and then it changes. In my experience of travelling to the various clubs in Germany (which is great) over time, Artemis has the best overall LU in all the clubs I've been to (12 now in total). I do wish Artemis would adopt the drinks tab system they have at Sharks / Palace / Oceans instead of those stupid tokens at 10 euros each which are too easy to lose. That is perhaps a second negative for Artemis but it stops there.

Wednesday started with one of the best looking women I've been in a room with at any club. In Germany and beyond. Grace, - tall brunette, very impressive natural dee cups but a lovely slim body. Only been at Artemis for a few months she says. Fantastic time in the room, kissing but not DFK, great oral skills and adventurous. I could easily have decided not to go with another girl she was so good. Left her after an hour but with some reluctance and vowed to repeat before the end of the week....[/QUOTE]True, me too always had good experience at Artemis, but last December I went two days in first week of December and man. That was bad LU. But what you tell me make me want to go back to Artemis LOL.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2005991]RioDeJaneiro1 might have had a bad night at Artemis a few months ago but this week I paid 2 visits to Artemis and for me, as ever it beats Sharks hands down on almost everything. To start with, when not engaging in the mongering, Berlin is a fantastic city. One of the best in Europe IMHO. Lots to do and see. Frankfurt on the other hand is dire. It is so boring. What is there to see in Frankfurt? I don't understand how any guy can walk into a club with maybe 90 girls and find only 3 or 4 nice ones. My last 3 visits to Sharks were a real disappointment on LU. I do wish Artemis would adopt the drinks tab system they have at Sharks / Palace / Oceans instead of those stupid tokens at 10 euros each which are too easy to lose. That is perhaps a second negative for Artemis but it stops there. The lounge is smokey (which I don't like) but nowhere near as bad as the tiny room at Samya, and there are lots of places to escape it. Kinos x2, the downstairs wellness area is really nice, outdoors (not this week: too cold), and the infamous watching place at the spiral staircase. So no need to spent so long in the lounge. I don't smoke, and hate it, so for me not to notice too much it cannot be that bad.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on most of your points, but I have to disagree about the cigarette smoke problem there, and need to emphasize for the guys again that in my view it is very, very bad for somebody who is a non-smoker! And I'm not the first or only one here to say that. It made both me and Lilia sick! Now, although it had bothered me before at Artemis, it had never made me sick. But, maybe because it had been warm outside too and the windows were open. Makes a huge difference. And yes, as you point out, you can go hang out in those other areas, but you know as well as I do that the strongest pick-up scene is in the lounge and not anywhere else in the club can compare. Yeah, some girls circulate around, but it's nowhere like the action in the lounge. And speaking of Lilia, did you see her? She may not have been there at the time of your visit since she told me she would be going to carnival celebrations in Germany.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2005991]Another great trip to Artemis. Great LU twice in a week, great options and located in one of Germany's best cities.[/QUOTE]Nice report, useful information. Thanks.