East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Connor12;1739091]Hi,

I'm travelling to Shanghai on my first trip in two weeks time. Staying in the Crowne Plaza City Centre. Can anyone advise is it easy to get girls in the hotel, best pick up places to visit etc.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I know some information about saunas, they are reliable and offer great service. PM me.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1739030]I'm planning a trip to Shanghai next month to fuck Chinese girls, but all the scamming really scares me, so wondering if the best is to avoid Shanghai and go to Macau instead? Been several times to the saunas in Macau, expensive, but the service has always been good. Or Shenzhen near Macau is a good option?[/QUOTE]I do not know the price in Macau. But sauna in Shanghai is about 1000 per 90 mins, they offer good service. Shenzhen is very expensive recently, I recommend you choose between Shanghai and Macau. PM me, I am glad to help if you come to Shanghai. Have fun.

Hi if you like outcall to your room, send me a PM.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Connor12;1739091]Hi,

I'm travelling to Shanghai on my first trip in two weeks time. Staying in the Crowne Plaza City Centre. Can anyone advise is it easy to get girls in the hotel, best pick up places to visit etc.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreatWall75;1738704]Just to report a very bad experience in a Sauna / MP in Fuzhou road. This Sauna is located on the first floor (in the corner of a building), have red lights on the door and Red neon "BAR"sign. It is in front of many ICBC ATM (cash machines). I don't know the street number.

I know China quite well and never had or heard about such king of aggression and violence in Sauna or MP. I considered to go to the police station, but I was leaving China the following days, and was just afraid that the process take time and delay my departure, or having problem with the police cause the aggression occurred in a massage parlor.[/QUOTE]Err I'm surprised you say you "know China quite well" after reading your story because everyone knows the Nanjing east road / Fuzhou road area is full of scams:

- fake students art galleries for money.

- fake students sharing tea ceremony with you for money.

- fake KTV, bars or MPs where girls provoke you enough to put you in a situation where you are again forced to pay big bucks.

There are tons of examples on this board. The only difference when reading your post is that you don't mention a tout so it means you actually went to their shop on your own, they must have been very surprised.

Shanghai has to be one of the safest cities in the world. You just went to THE known area for various scams.

[QUOTE=Connor12;1739091]Hi,

I'm travelling to Shanghai on my first trip in two weeks time. Staying in the Crowne Plaza City Centre. Can anyone advise is it easy to get girls in the hotel, best pick up places to visit etc.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Pay the $20 and you'll get a few PM's with help. Pudong Trade Free Zone, that's quite out there I think.

Manhattan. RTFF for girls selection, location, time, and prices, etc.

Let's take a ride on the "wild" side. For those who love romantic walks along the beaches of the Greek Islands, read on.

Phuong. This is a rather common name for Vietnamese. There are at least 2 other WG's with this name there. She's older, not the prettiest, early 30's, hair just above the shoulders with extensions (ask her about it, it's a funny story), speaks very good Chinese which is rare for Viets. I've been seeing her on and off for the a couple years, since the days of <1000 rmb for LT. Maybe the prices at Manhattan will one day come back down to earth like the chinese stock market?

None of that first time jitters or awkwardness, laid in bed naked, fondled, chatted and joked about the working condition / politics at Manhattan, gossiped about the other Viet and Pinay girls, asked me about which girl I've tried and how they performed and if they were any good. Enough funny stories to write another post here. It got pretty serious when with all the actions she was asking "well, can she do this? "and did she do this for you? It's like she was almost professionally competitive. Nothing out of jealousy but more like she wanted to go one up on the rest of them. I was cracking up shagging her.

When I said I did a pooper shooter (which was a lie), she thought about it for awhile, flipped over on her fours and said "qingyidian, manman". I went Donkey. After the deed, I asked if it was her first time. She said hell no, just doesn't like it.

Moral of the story 1 - it pays to have a regular.

Moral of the story 2 - don't focus only on the best looking and sweetest talking ones.

P.S. : To the regular (yes you're here on ISG) who stiffed her with fake bills in March, may your dick fall off and the next working girl you visit turns out to be your mother.

[QUOTE=YoungBlood;1738893]Hi all,

I'm currently in central Shanghai staying with a friend in Jing'an. I don't know where to go, but my Chinese is fairly decent. What spots would you recommend I visit?

Thanks[/QUOTE]There's a place that offers HJ on Yuyuan Road between Wulumuqi bei lu and Huashan Road; it is next door to a family mart.

Also; the Buddha massage place is a short taxi ride away.

And there is a sauna rehi sauna is not very far either.

I've been staying on Yuyuan Lu near the temple for a couple months now. PM me if you have any questions.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1737810]The single biggest reason I haven't returned to kang ding is not wanting to go through the decision process. Do I take her again and risk something more than I'm prepared for, and if she is available, can I even get myself to choose someone else? I've had girls that rocked my world during the session, but when it was over there was no mistaking the situation. I paid for a service, nothing more. I gave her number out to a couple people, but haven't heard anything back yet. Would really like to know their experience with her.

For sure Ming hui is a nicer place with an amazing selection, but also a hell of a lot more expensive.

Taz.[/QUOTE]Kudos to Tazman099, I contacted the mms on wechat. 2 locations, but I had no clue how far they were from where I stayed. She kept pinging me with directions every 10 minutes, to the point of getting annoyed. Anyway, KD was not very obvious at first, especially when there were bunch of guys passing out flier, I thought it was a night club. Anyway, after a few exchange of wechat, I made it to the shop. Locker room was a bit run down, I was bit uncomfortable being the first time there, the service was non-existed, I had to look around for my pj to change into.

Mms took me to the hallway to check out what's available, only x, and 1 of them was definitely plastic surgery gone very wrong, after I heard the price, I decided to sit out this round. She also mentioned that all the rooms were occupied, just my luck. Showed me to the regular footsy room, and rotating more x-es into the room for picking, I have to give her "A" for effort. I finally settled on M. She turned out to be quite enthusiatic, and I had a good time, not only because of her service, but her personality. On the way out, I saw another M walking by, and she caught me gawking, and whispered in my ear that she would give me 2 sogs if I picked her next time. I like her competitiveness. LOL.

All in all, good time! Will return.

Cheers.

SL.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1739118]Hi if you like outcall to your room, send me a PM.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Hi Gregory,

I know it wasn't a direct message to me but will be in Shanghai this week and definitely interested in OC so would appreciate any info you may have.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Connor12;1739091]Hi,

I'm travelling to Shanghai on my first trip in two weeks time. Staying in the Crowne Plaza City Centre. Can anyone advise is it easy to get girls in the hotel, best pick up places to visit etc.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Sorry, its the Marriott in the Centre. Please PM with any info.

[QUOTE=Connor12;1740316]Sorry, its the Marriott in the Centre. Please PM with any info.[/QUOTE]I stay at that Marriott all the time. I have girls come to my room or OutCall service. I usually meet them on the 5th floor as you need a room key in the elevator to go higher than the 6th floor. I sometimes give my spare room key to one girl that I have been seeing for the past 8 years and trust. I just call her and she comes right to my room. PM me and I will share a couple of names and numbers.

Hiya Peeps,

Buddha place is currently under renovation. For how long, I dunno but I doubt it'll be more than just a few days. They will be adding another room so I've been told. If your a regular and have been there recently, you'll notice that the 2 dudes that work there are gone. They have a female and another guy working the reception desk now.

Anyways, the owner has opened up another place. It's just 4 days old. I was there today and the rooms are much nicer. Maybe its just the change of scenery or the equipment being new but I like it. Size of the rooms are a bit more spacious, so that's a plus. The girls are from a mix of the owner's other places including a couple from the Buddha place.

They apparently have a diff dress code here. They are dressed up like a cross between a stewardess and an office worker. I think I prefer the more sluttier dress attire. Haha. I think this place might be going for a more classier atmosphere.

The service is pretty much the same. I got to pop twice so that's a plus. I don't know if that's one of the services they offer now. Or maybe it was the masseuse being nice considering that she contacted me and told me to go visit her there.

Price is the same for the regulars of the Buddha place. Its 248 for an hour.

Mute

Oops, I'm not sure but I think I forgot to mention the location. Its not too far from the Buddha place. Meter price of a taxi ride will get you there. It's about 1. 5 km apart from each other, maybe less than that.

Well I'm pretty I didn't mention the location in the previous post considering that. As I'm writing this, for the life of me, I can't remember the street names! It doesn't help that it was in Chinese. The masseuse sent me the addy on wechat but she deleted it while playing with my phone. Go figure.

I know how to get there. Dunno the street names though. The name of the place is called crystal massage.

I'll be heading there again either later today or tomorrow. I usually go during the evenings If anyone is interested, I guess I cud take any of you along considering that I just wrote up a report and didn't even give an addy. Problem is, I'm not a paid member so any meetup would have to be posted in the forum.

Mute

Mute.

Every street sign lists the street name in Pinyin. Each store location has a number. When you are in a taxi you can tell the driver the pinyin name of the nearest steet corner "Lou kou" in order to drop you off there. Can you go to the nearest street corner and write it down, the two streets then go to the store and find the number? Ask the girl to write the address in "pinyin" for you.

First FR ever.

Read on some forum or web page about a he massage place at Century Avenue called "Good Old Place" (translated). Seemed like a good deal so I decided to check the place out.

Arrived at the address at 7:30 pm And the place seemed to have changed to a place called e-massage. Was hesitant, but seeing the fancy LED signboard for the place, in Japanese, English and other languages, I recognized it as a telltale sign that there was still more than a simple massage on offer.

Walked past an archery centre, and climbed the stairs to the second floor (3rd was a gym). Walked in and the guys in the shop welcomed me and directed me to the menu. Inquired if the shop used to be the 好22320;26041;65292; and then dudes hesitantly said it used to be but they had bought it over.

Looking at the menu, the most obvious special courses were the emperor spa 1 and 2 (238 and 338 for 90 mins). Asked what the difference was and got a vague "it's the same, but 328 is better and more relaxing". Ha.

Opted for the 228 to play it safe as I still had no clue if it would be a worthwhile investment.

Was led to a room with a single bed, a partition and a wooden bathtub. After what seemed like forever (5 minutes?) an MILFish lady (30++? But still cute) knocked and entered.

She proceeds to set the bed and the bath tub up. Asked if I wanted a new set of towels for the bathtub. (Whaaaaa?

I said OK, and she says it will cost RMB7. Being the upsell detesting Scrooge that I am, I said "then nevermind, but. ?

She says "nevermind can use this", gesturing to a big plastic bag she then proceeds to use to cover the tub. A bathtub condom, so to speak. She asks if I want a hair wash, to which I decline. She proceeds to position herself behind me to give me a head massage instead. She then moves down to my heck and shoulders and before long she's teasing my nipples. Off to the sides, she then proceeds to massage my arms and legs, reaching into the shorts to massage all the way up my inner thighs. On the bed, my aching back gets the attention it sorely needs using a variety of methods involving thumbs, palms, elbows and knees.

On the flip, I get asked the sexy version of "BJ 200, B2 B 300". The hot water BBBJ is heavenly, and she tries to put me between her thighs to finish me.

"What if it slides in? I ask.

"Then you tip me another 100", she says.

The rest is history.

All in all, a great experience, if you don't mind the constant upselling.

[QUOTE=IWant629;1741845]First FR ever.

Read on some forum or web page about a he massage place at Century Avenue called "Good Old Place" (translated). Seemed like a good deal so I decided to check the place out.

Arrived at the address at 7:30 pm And the place seemed to have changed to a place called e-massage. Was hesitant, but seeing the fancy LED signboard for the place, in Japanese, English and other languages, I recognized it as a telltale sign that there was still more than a simple massage on offer.

Walked past an archery centre, and climbed the stairs to the second floor (3rd was a gym). Walked in and the guys in the shop welcomed me and directed me to the menu. Inquired if the shop used to be the 好22320;26041;65292; and then dudes hesitantly said it used to be but they had bought it over.

Looking at the menu, the most obvious special courses were the emperor spa 1 and 2 (238 and 338 for 90 mins). Asked what the difference was and got a vague "it's the same, but 328 is better and more relaxing". Ha.

Opted for the 228 to play it safe as I still had no clue if it would be a worthwhile investment.

Was led to a room with a single bed, a partition and a wooden bathtub. After what seemed like forever (5 minutes?) an MILFish lady (30++? But still cute) knocked and entered.

She proceeds to set the bed and the bath tub up. Asked if I wanted a new set of towels for the bathtub. (Whaaaaa?

I said OK, and she says it will cost RMB7. Being the upsell detesting Scrooge that I am, I said "then nevermind, but. ?

She says "nevermind can use this", gesturing to a big plastic bag she then proceeds to use to cover the tub. A bathtub condom, so to speak. She asks if I want a hair wash, to which I decline. She proceeds to position herself behind me to give me a head massage instead. She then moves down to my heck and shoulders and before long she's teasing my nipples. Off to the sides, she then proceeds to massage my arms and legs, reaching into the shorts to massage all the way up my inner thighs. On the bed, my aching back gets the attention it sorely needs using a variety of methods involving thumbs, palms, elbows and knees.

On the flip, I get asked the sexy version of "BJ 200, B2 B 300". The hot water BBBJ is heavenly, and she tries to put me between her thighs to finish me.

"What if it slides in? I ask.

"Then you tip me another 100", she says.

The rest is history.

All in all, a great experience, if you don't mind the constant upselling.[/QUOTE]Have not been to Shanghai in awhile. Is this place the same where it is off the main road so you need to walk through a parking lot in order to get to the building?

What's up fellow perverts!

Anyone of you still remember Angela from Craigslist? This was a few years back like in 2012. Was going through my notes and wonder if she's still around.

Not the best looking girl, but she was one wild and crazy ride. Potty mouth and fucked like a loud porn star. She did this funniest thing when she came, flipping like a fish out of water, almost like she's having a seizure. She would advertise on CL and I know a few of the regulars here tried her out.

My ATF has retired and left SH. In fact very few of my regulars are still around and in the business. Need to build up my pool again.

[QUOTE=GreatWall75;1738704]Then things has gone wrong.

2 guys enter in the room, one immediately blocked the door and the other sit down in front of me. He started to said calmly that prostitution was illegal in China, and step by step, pressure increase and he finish by death threatens. I was very unhappy and told him. I tried to go but the guy in the door repel me. After 20 minutes of discussion 3 other guys join the rooms. One of the new guy ask me to pay if I want to leave alive. I rejected. They started to beat me. I was very surprise as I know very well China and it is normally very safe. I never thought they will beat me, and certainly not with such level of violence. 5 Chinese against me, they were not brave but I didn't have chance to win. I then accepted to pay to stop them. We started discussing about price. 25000 Yuan was the first price they offered. I rejected and threaten and assault restart. I finished to pay 15 000 by credit card. And they deliver me.

I know China quite well and never had or heard about such king of aggression and violence in Sauna or MP. I considered to go to the police station, but I was leaving China the following days, and was just afraid that the process take time and delay my departure, or having problem with the police cause the aggression occurred in a massage parlor...[/QUOTE]You say you know China well, but then you should also have known of the countless rackets being run around Nanjing Road / Fuzhou Road. I guess you learnt your lesson the hard way. I don't know if you reported the issue to your credit card issuer and clocked your card. Sometimes, if you explain to the risk officials in the bank, they will not process that charge. That way you only lose your pride and some blood. Smarten up!

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1742199]What's up fellow perverts!

Anyone of you still remember Angela from Craigslist? This was a few years back like in 2012. Was going through my notes and wonder if she's still around.

Not the best looking girl, but she was one wild and crazy ride. Potty mouth and fucked like a loud porn star. She did this funniest thing when she came, flipping like a fish out of water, almost like she's having a seizure. She would advertise on CL and I know a few of the regulars here tried her out.

My ATF has retired and left SH. In fact very few of my regulars are still around and in the business. Need to build up my pool again.[/QUOTE]She and her husband (cough) have retired to Thailand.

Not sure if she is still earning by going to hotel rooms. Perhaps she has retired from the game.

I remember her well: she was wettest when I was telling her about my adventures, but was strangely reticent about describing her adventures. As I recall, her record with one man (a French photographer) was 17 orgasms but I don't how much her imagination provided the leavening.

I also miss her.

Just my experience.

P13.

Hi.

I am in Shanghai for next two days, staying in Intercontinental Expo Hotel (Xueye Road, Pudong). Not being familiar with Shanghai (first trip to eastern side of China), not sure if incall is possible here. The hotel looks ok. Should not have a problem getting the girl up to my room. Don't want to travel too far.

Apologies if this is not the right way to ask for help here, and thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Samir1199;1742731]Hi.

I am in Shanghai for next two days, staying in Intercontinental Expo Hotel (Xueye Road, Pudong).[/QUOTE]I'll be in same boat later this month and asked the same question last month on this thread. Was advised the closet sauna was Sacrosa, about 10 minute walk from Intercontinental Hotel Pudong. Do a google search for details, I think 598 before 6 pm and then 698. Let me know if you try it. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1742802]I'll be in same boat later this month and asked the same question last month on this thread. Was advised the closet sauna was Sacrosa, about 10 minute walk from Intercontinental Hotel Pudong. Do a google search for details, I think 598 before 6 pm and then 698. Let me know if you try it. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, Sacrosa is not a 10 min walk from the IC Expo (different hotel), that's substantially farther. You'll need a taxi.

[QUOTE=Mike921;1742843]Just to be clear, Sacrosa is not a 10 min walk from the IC Expo (different hotel), that's substantially farther. You'll need a taxi.[/QUOTE]Yes I got to know that just in time, so dropped the idea of Sacrosa.

[QUOTE=Samir1199;1743110]Yes I got to know that just in time, so dropped the idea of Sacrosa.[/QUOTE]If you're going for incall try Shanghai Nightlife Guide. The independents are pretty reliable there and they will travel to your hotel. Just prepare for pay an extra 100 rmb or so for taxi.

[QUOTE=Samir1199;1742731]Hi.

I am in Shanghai for next two days, staying in Intercontinental Expo Hotel (Xueye Road, Pudong). Not being familiar with Shanghai (first trip to eastern side of China), not sure if incall is possible here. The hotel looks ok. Should not have a problem getting the girl up to my room. Don't want to travel too far.

Apologies if this is not the right way to ask for help here, and thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Incall = girl has a place and you go visit her.

Outcall = girl comes to your place.

I don't care but it might help you avoid confusion in the future.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1743368]Incall = girl has a place and you go visit her.

Outcall = girl comes to your place.

I don't care but it might help you avoid confusion in the future.[/QUOTE]My apologies for the confusion. It was a typing error on my part. Meant to write outcall.

[QUOTE=Samir1199;1742731]Hi.

I am in Shanghai for next two days, staying in Intercontinental Expo Hotel (Xueye Road, Pudong). Not being familiar with Shanghai (first trip to eastern side of China), not sure if incall is possible here. The hotel looks ok. Should not have a problem getting the girl up to my room. Don't want to travel too far.

Apologies if this is not the right way to ask for help here, and thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I can tell you, no need to worry in Shanghai to bring a girl to your room. No one care about that, different to hotel stuff for example in Shanghai. Only around Chinese new year, the national holiday in autumn and sometimes when they hold up conferences of the communist party the rules will change a little bit, but at the moment all that is no problem in Shanghai.

Last time I did a photoshoting in a 5-star hotel in Heng Shan Road, and when I guided the second girl out of the suite to pick up the 3rd one in the lobby (already waited there for some minutes), the reception girl smiled to me and asked me, if I would like to have a late check out, because she get the feeling I am not able to sleep so much till now! When I did the shooting with two girls in Banyan Tree at the bund last time, I even brought both up together, also no one cared about that.

So feel relaxed to find and call a girl to your room.

But you should know, that here in Shanghai except 2 pages I know all other websites will only have faked pictures, most independent profiles are placed by agencies and no matter who you will select from their (pretty pictures. Of mostly Japanese erotic models) and no matter how often they tell you the picture is real, a totally different girl will show up. And there is also only one page where the girls need to write the final rate, so the game "you like me to blow, that is another 1000, and naked another 1000 and so on" will be played nearly everywhere. So my tip: be careful and not trust the pictures too much (except one page where I can guarantee for, but not able to link or mention here).

Have fun,

Steven

I much rather go to a place where I know the price for full service (like a sauna). I think negotiating for the price each step along the way is a big turn off, and spoil the mood. And if the girl was not happy about not getting price she wanted, she probably would not be that enthusiastic the rest of the way. Like all relationships, it is best that both parties know and agreed on the terms of the arrangement before they start.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1743672]I much rather go to a place where I know the price for full service (like a sauna). I think negotiating for the price each step along the way is a big turn off, and spoil the mood.[/QUOTE]I like to mix as my mood and timing dictate. This works best if you're living here, and also helps if there's ever a meeting of bigwigs with many places closing.

1. Judy's or Manhattan (maybe go every 3 months to pick-up a new one during off peak hours). I have 1 girl from there I've known for 4 years, and gives excellent service at a discounted rate. Another who gives A+ also, 2 shots for rmb800 total, normally no sleeping over (which most times I don't care for). I wouldn't want to miss these opportunities by not wanting to negotiate in the beginning, and occasionally getting a clunker. I never go with them on the weekend, so I don't cut into their prime earning times.

2. BBS and saunas as everyone has discussed here. Their pricing is about the same no matter the time, have good value and provide nice variety.

3. MILFS I meet in various ways. I tend to stay clear of these, as they get clingy and weird quickly. I still have 1 good one currently who likes baubles from my overseas travels, so we do a barter arrangement. Works out to at most rmb600 per visit. No drama in over 5 years. She has a normal job, and since no money actually changes hands, she sleeps well at night knowing we're in a normal relationship, and I just like buying her stuff that she wants.

Will go to Shanghai for some days, and wants to stay in a hotel near action (walking distance is best), and it looks like LE Meridien is a bit far away? It is near People's square, but that is about 40 minutes walk to Manhattan and Judy's which I have read is a good pick up spot in Shanghai, though mostly Vietnamese? I want to fuck a bunch of chinese good looking girls so will go to Sauna as well. The Portman Ritz-Carlton looks close to Manhattan, but is no starwood.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1744042]Will go to Shanghai for some days, and wants to stay in a hotel near action (walking distance is best), and it looks like LE Meridien is a bit far away? It is near People's square, but that is about 40 minutes walk to Manhattan and Judy's which I have read is a good pick up spot in Shanghai, though mostly Vietnamese? I want to fuck a bunch of chinese good looking girls so will go to Sauna as well. The Portman Ritz-Carlton looks close to Manhattan, but is no starwood.[/QUOTE]Last time I stayed at Portman it was not girl friendly. A hassle to get girls in. I haven't stayed there for a few years since so I don't know if it is good now. Check before you book.

I was referring to the situation in a massage parlor when you went in for a 'massage". You were naked on the massage table, and then had to arrive at a price with the girl for her to take the bras and / or the panties off. And it is this much if you want to touch her naughty bits. And it is this much extra for a BJ.

I agree saunas are great values (safe, probably), and those are where I am doing my mongering now.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1744042]Will go to Shanghai for some days, and wants to stay in a hotel near action (walking distance is best), and it looks like LE Meridien is a bit far away? It is near People's square, but that is about 40 minutes walk to Manhattan and Judy's which I have read is a good pick up spot in Shanghai, though mostly Vietnamese? I want to fuck a bunch of chinese good looking girls so will go to Sauna as well. The Portman Ritz-Carlton looks close to Manhattan, but is no starwood.[/QUOTE]Stay at The Hilton on Hengshan Lu, lots of action around there and easy walk to Manhattan and Judy's. Another little gem hotel is The Equatorial. Not fancy but well situated and good value for the $$. Both hotels are girl friendly but at Hilton you have to meet girls in the Lobby beacuse a key card is needed to access the room floors.

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;1744541]Stay at The Hilton on Hengshan Lu, lots of action around there and easy walk to Manhattan and Judy's. Another little gem hotel is The Equatorial. Not fancy but well situated and good value for the $$. Both hotels are girl friendly but at Hilton you have to meet girls in the Lobby beacuse a key card is needed to access the room floors.[/QUOTE]What about LE Meridien? Far from Manhattan, but any action around this area?

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1744180]I was referring to the situation in a massage parlor when you went in for a 'massage". You were naked on the massage table, and then had to arrive at a price with the girl for her to take the bras and / or the panties off. And it is this much if you want to touch her naughty bits. And it is this much extra for a BJ.
[/QUOTE]Completely agree. We don't make our best financial decisions lying there with her hand holding our junk!

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1744583]What about LE Meridien? Far from Manhattan, but any action around this area?[/QUOTE]Great seafood buffet for lunch at LE Meridian. Great Hotel and only 10 minute taxi ride to Manhatten. Taxi are cheap in Shanghai so anywhere close is not an issue. Not much action near there except for some touts on the street which you need to stay away from. I have stayed near there a lot at Howard Johnson about a block away.

[QUOTE=Canada;1744711]Great seafood buffet for lunch at LE Meridian. Great Hotel and only 10 minute taxi ride to Manhatten. Taxi are cheap in Shanghai so anywhere close is not an issue. Not much action near there except for some touts on the street which you need to stay away from. I have stayed near there a lot at Howard Johnson about a block away.[/QUOTE]Hilton is near 5-6 he MPs. . there are at least 1-3 Spas nearby as well. Go to Shanghai nightlife guide. They have them listed. Manhattans is close as well to be surrounded by 50 viet girls that all think you are handsome. Or at least your wallet is. ! LOL.

Not easy, Hilton, LE Meridien or the other starwood property Twelve at Hengshan. Both starwood hotels get good reviews, but seems a bit far from the action (nightlife, girls).

[QUOTE=SamCan;1745051]Hilton is near 5-6 he MPs. . there are at least 1-3 Spas nearby as well. Go to Shanghai nightlife guide. They have them listed. Manhattans is close as well to be surrounded by 50 viet girls that all think you are handsome. Or at least your wallet is. ! LOL.[/QUOTE]I would be careful with MPs (Massage Shops) near to the big western styled 5-star hotels. If they are focused on "foreigners", they mostly play the "greenhorn game"! You need to pay 168 to 298 for the massage, and if you ask the girl later for some "extra service", they will start to call out totally unreasonable rates! And without Chinese skills and rate background, could be you very fast pay more for a handjob than for 90 minutes multiple pops in a sauna nearby.

For example there is a shop between the girls bars opposite side of the Hilton Hotel in Heng Shan Road. When I checked it out to bring it online, the girl seriously asked for 500 extra for simply a handjob. I am sure, you can negotiate her down to reasonable 100 RMB, but for newbies, especially without language skills it will be not so easy, so we decided to forget recommend them to foreigners. And I checked out several shops like that in Jing An already, and many of them unfortunately like to play that game.

I would recommend to spend 18 RMB (one way) and 10 minutes for a taxi ride to a "better area", where you get the happy ending included into the massage rate for 238 to 288 and not need to negotiate, so you can enjoy instead of bargain while your massage!

Nevertheless, have fun.

What area is that? .

In box me for the details--marty.

[QUOTE=AppleCourt;1744710]Completely agree. We don't make our best financial decisions lying there with her hand holding our junk![/QUOTE]Used the "semi-in-house" MP at the CY Marriott Pudong a couple of years ago. Never again. .

Semi-in-house as indeed the MP is part of the building, accessible from the hotel but official "separate establishment" -.

Smart way to keep distance from whatever happens, good or bad.

You go to the MP to book a girl, you agree on a rate (already "expensive", but hey,. You know the game at these foreigners hotel, so be it).

After 30 minutes the girls comes in, dressed like a Singapore Airlines crew (=long sarong, pantyhose. Ehmm. Suspicious. Is it to make some accesses difficult? YES! As it can be found out later).

The agreed price rises by something (can't recall), then starts the upsell to extend time, whilst she gives an uneventful massage.

You think that this might lead to more, extra time = more cash for her. Maybe. Good!

Then comes the upsell for nothing else than. He.

Then comes the upsell to access the body, remove some clothing (but she kept the armour of the pantyhose).

Eventually all comes to a (happy) end but nothing to be proud of, given the silly amount exprted in a way, bit by bit (that is the smart way they have. Do not ask for huge amount altogether but get that progressively).

You well said who leads the game, when she handles you and the little head is confused to say the least.

Obviously there is the privilege of all happening in your room, in a comfortable and safe environment, raid-free, on principle.

I might have had a girl for nearly a week in BKK and I paid less than that when I took a girl for a LT from a KTV in SH.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1745816]What area is that?[/QUOTE]I know some shops like that west of Zhong Shan Park, also Ming Han District has several I checked, but.

You should find them all over the city, if you are not too near to the "foreigner hotspots".

I also know in Gubei district you will find many shops like that (they have a lot of Japanese guys living there, and Japanese prefer a "happy ending" combined with a professional massage!

Have fun.

I am not from Shanghai and never been there. In fact my first trip is in a couple weeks and I have learnt to go to the Sauna clubs, Judys, Manhattan, etc. WTF? Seriously! Why are you guys fucking around with over priced massage parlors and BBS? What am I missing here?

H1.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1746041]Used the "semi-in-house" MP at the CY Marriott Pudong a couple of years ago. Never again. .

Semi-in-house as indeed the MP is part of the building, accessible from the hotel but official "separate establishment" -.

Smart way to keep distance from whatever happens, good or bad.

You go to the MP to book a girl, you agree on a rate (already "expensive", but hey,. You know the game at these foreigners hotel, so be it).

After 30 minutes the girls comes in, dressed like a Singapore Airlines crew (=long sarong, pantyhose. Ehmm. Suspicious. Is it to make some accesses difficult? YES! As it can be found out later).

The agreed price rises by something (can't recall), then starts the upsell to extend time, whilst she gives an uneventful massage.

You think that this might lead to more, extra time = more cash for her. Maybe. Good!

Then comes the upsell for nothing else than. He.

Then comes the upsell to access the body, remove some clothing (but she kept the armour of the pantyhose).

Eventually all comes to a (happy) end but nothing to be proud of, given the silly amount exprted in a way, bit by bit (that is the smart way they have. Do not ask for huge amount altogether but get that progressively).

You well said who leads the game, when she handles you and the little head is confused to say the least.

Obviously there is the privilege of all happening in your room, in a comfortable and safe environment, raid-free, on principle.

I might have had a girl for nearly a week in BKK and I paid less than that when I took a girl for a LT from a KTV in SH.[/QUOTE]

To all the guys who sent me a message. I know -- no fucking excuses. With the move and work and a so, Jesus!

Take subway 10 to Longbei Xincun. Go to exit 5. Go left at the street to Hongsong Rd, first light. Turn right. From there to Jinhui Rd are several establishments. My keeper was off the corner of Hongsong and Jinhui. I was handed off to her from my previous keeper. I followed her around for 4 shops. I just hate moving to Beijing. I expect it's here -- but haven't found anything yet. The shop over the Chun store was good in the past. When the regular was out of town or on the rag a girl in that shop gave the greatest hand jobs -- even better than the ones I give myself. Ownership of the shops changes all the time. Girls rotate. I chat with my keeper on Wechat now and then. I hope to see her when I return to Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1746282]I am not from Shanghai and never been there. In fact my first trip is in a couple weeks and I have learnt to go to the Sauna clubs, Judys, Manhattan, etc. WTF? Seriously! Why are you guys fucking around with over priced massage parlors and BBS? What am I missing here?

H1.[/QUOTE]Overpriced on what basis? Not everyone is obsessed with how many shots they can score per hour for the cheapest price and what else I often read.

A 90 min high quality massage with a 20-26 pretty girl whom turns it into a very erotic massage teasing you and getting you rock hard waiting for the end of the massage to let you shoot makes a mind blowing experience with much more sensation than the average FS you can get elsewhere.

218 for the house (these shops are usually quite clean with shower attached, etc.) 300 for the girl for HJ (or 400-500 for those who feel safe with BBBJ) is the price in the Hongqiao / Minhang area.

260 to 350 notips needed can be had in different shops (mostly in Jingan) but the experience is more rushed (usually 60 minutes) the girls massage is not as expert and they aren't as pretty.

Is it overpaying to almost pay the price of a Sauna in a MP not to get FS? For some yes for others who know a sauna girl will rarely give this level of service and pleasure we willingly pay the price of this service.

In most part of China you don't even have that kind of service even if you're willing to pay for it.

The service girls are not the same as the massage girls and if you get a massage girls to service you it will be quite mechanical.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1746282]I am not from Shanghai and never been there. In fact my first trip is in a couple weeks and I have learnt to go to the Sauna clubs, Judys, Manhattan, etc. WTF? Seriously! Why are you guys fucking around with over priced massage parlors and BBS? What am I missing here?

H1.[/QUOTE]I agree with the other post. There is a place for it. Pretty girls, wonderful massages. I am in Jing an and I can find pretty girls. I agree with the 60 minutes though.

Playing with their tits, FIV, they are kissing your nipples with a finger up your butt and massaging your little guy till you pop. Not FS but sometimes what you need.

IN Jingan, I can get 60 minutes for a wonderful massage for 268.100 for the HJ and breast play, if I want FIV 100 more. Some girls less depending on the relationship. For those of us that are too concerned to go to FS, it is a good option.

I have a girl that started as a wonderful experience at these rates. She now comes to my hotel for FS for 500.

They told me in 2009 on my first trip to China. In China, it is all about relationships.

Flower was also one of those who had been working in Manhattan for years, chatted her up numerous times but never took her out her until some weeks ago. A Viet who spoke fluent Chinese and English. Pretty looking face with that cute China doll haircut. But with a name like Flower, I should have known it meant Titanic in Vietnamese.

First sign of problem was when we got to the room under better lighting that I saw she had such thick makeup on. She would seriously have to use a spoon to scrape all that off before she went to bed. She must have learned face painting from some Chinese opera house. I would put her at around 40 but she told me she was 25, standard WG age when asked. And then the train wreck started in slow motion.

She started some CBJ, and I fingered her 1970's hair style down there. A serious wax job or weed-whacker or something would be in order for this one. She knelt next to the bed and went at it until I was ready, then hopped up laid down on the bed for me to get to work.

Total dead fish in mish, plus she was loose and must have pumped a gallon of lube up there when she first went to the bathroom. Aside from some warmth, the most sensation came from the cover tip. I asked to change to K9, but she only allowed mish, no variations. It was like being married or something, she threw in an occasional "so big" statement with all the sincerity of a supermarket checkout lady asking if I want to donate to some charity.

I unleashed hell and pounded as hard as I could in grudge-fuck fashion, never got a moan or reaction at all. It was like banging a jar of warm mayonnaise. Closed my eyes and imagined I was bouncing on a JAV porn star. Managed to force myself to pop in the cover.

It was supposed to be for LT, but I paid her to leave right after. I laid in bed wondering which sauna girl I could have spent that 800 rmb on.

You know you're amongst hardcore gamers when on the eve of the biggest typhoon hitting Shanghai in 50 years you're out wandering about in Manhattan. It wasn't as crowded, but if the normal WG's to men ratio was 10 to 1, it had to be 20 or 25 to 1 that night. I saw Flower that night, but she avoided eye contact.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1746403]Overpriced on what basis? Not everyone is obsessed with how many shots they can score per hour for the cheapest price and what else I often read.

A 90 min high quality massage with a 20-26 pretty girl whom turns it into a very erotic massage teasing you and getting you rock hard waiting for the end of the massage to let you shoot makes a mind blowing experience with much more sensation than the average FS you can get elsewhere.

218 for the house (these shops are usually quite clean with shower attached, etc.) 300 for the girl for HJ (or 400-500 for those who feel safe with BBBJ) is the price in the Hongqiao / Minhang area.

260 to 350 notips needed can be had in different shops (mostly in Jingan) but the experience is more rushed (usually 60 minutes) the girls massage is not as expert and they aren't as pretty.

Is it overpaying to almost pay the price of a Sauna in a MP not to get FS? For some yes for others who know a sauna girl will rarely give this level of service and pleasure we willingly pay the price of this service.

In most part of China you don't even have that kind of service even if you're willing to pay for it.

The service girls are not the same as the massage girls and if you get a massage girls to service you it will be quite mechanical.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more with your post. I rather pay 500-600 for a very good experience (clean place, young and beautiful girl, great massage skills, very erotic, slow HJ until you pop) than 300 for a lousy experience. But when I looked at shanghai nightlife guide there were no "expensive" places listed? Can you recommend some places or are they all over town? Just look for more "upscale" massage shops?

Visited there the other night. 350 RMB.

The girl was a bit older. Maybe 30? - but reasonably nice looking. Entered the room, she directed me to the attached shower (didn't join or offer to help wash). Came out, toweled off, onto the bed face down. I was looking forward to a decent massage, but her skills in the area were weak. Literally. No oil, just weak manipulation for about 5 minutes. Her clothes came off, and there was some massaging with her tits. Something I find more amusing that erotic. Ditto with the hot water sucking on the back. The only thing that does for me is get me to think about how that will feel in more appropriate places!

Then the flip, some light teasing and touching (no massage though), and then the hot water work in the right place. That was very nice indeed. Did that for a bit, then onto the 'regular' BJ. She would do that for a bit, then lick the shaft, and then try to turn it into a HJ (no oil). Not at all relaxed, but more like "come fast and then leave". There is no upsell, but it is just not fun when half the time you are telling the girl to put it back in her mouth. Start getting close, and she absolutely refused to let my dick anywhere near her face.

Cleanup, then some half hearted massage and she pointed me towards the shower. Asked her to work on my head for a bit first. Same weak, untrained, lousy massage. Showered, dressed, left. All in all about 30 minutes.

I went there because getting a halfway decent massage and a blowjob seemed what was needed for the evening, didn't want to go the whole sauna route. For the next trip to Shanghai, if that thought enters my head, will ignore it and go to a sauna. The service quality is going to be a hell of a lot better, the girls younger and hotter and (at least pretend to be) more enthusiastic. For me, this un-royal massage was a case of "you get what you pay for" - not a bargain at all.

Though not as cheap, you may try going to Judy's or Manhattan. Girls there start at 1,000 for all night.

[QUOTE=Phenyl;1747041]Visited there the other night. 350 RMB.

The girl was a bit older. Maybe 30? - but reasonably nice looking. Entered the room, she directed me to the attached shower (didn't join or offer to help wash). Came out, toweled off, onto the bed face down. I was looking forward to a decent massage, but her skills in the area were weak. Literally. No oil, just weak manipulation for about 5 minutes. Her clothes came off, and there was some massaging with her tits. Something I find more amusing that erotic. Ditto with the hot water sucking on the back. The only thing that does for me is get me to think about how that will feel in more appropriate places!

Then the flip, some light teasing and touching (no massage though), and then the hot water work in the right place. That was very nice indeed. Did that for a bit, then onto the 'regular' BJ. She would do that for a bit, then lick the shaft, and then try to turn it into a HJ (no oil). Not at all relaxed, but more like "come fast and then leave". There is no upsell, but it is just not fun when half the time you are telling the girl to put it back in her mouth. Start getting close, and she absolutely refused to let my dick anywhere near her face.

Cleanup, then some half hearted massage and she pointed me towards the shower. Asked her to work on my head for a bit first. Same weak, untrained, lousy massage. Showered, dressed, left. All in all about 30 minutes.

I went there because getting a halfway decent massage and a blowjob seemed what was needed for the evening, didn't want to go the whole sauna route. For the next trip to Shanghai, if that thought enters my head, will ignore it and go to a sauna. The service quality is going to be a hell of a lot better, the girls younger and hotter and (at least pretend to be) more enthusiastic. For me, this un-royal massage was a case of "you get what you pay for" - not a bargain at all.[/QUOTE]

The thing with MP's is that there are too many factors and variety that goes into what's considered a typical MP, hence the different prices.

I've stated in a previous post on a couple of types of MP's that exist in Shanghai. Some may find the prices reasonable, some may find it cheap, or some may even consider it expensive. As I've said before it would be best if you could find yourself a native monger and have him point you to places and services you want. It basically comes down to how much you are willing to spend.

MP's are a dime a dozen. Odds of coming across an uni deal (is that a word?) massage is a given, especially if you are a frequent monger. If you want to be safe and know what you are getting, maybe you should pay a little more and hit up places like kangding. But even places like that, you aren't guaranteed leaving completely satisfied or fulfilled.

Every joint, whether its MP, BBS, sauna, KTV etc, will have masseuses that are not up to par. You may find a good one in a cheap MP or bad one in a expensive MP. I honestly don't know what's considered a 'high quality' massage. To me, its either good, bad or meh. If they give me a good massage with good head, great! If its a weak massage with good head, I'll still take it.

Me personally, I'm not into dealing and haggling about tips with the masseuse. It's buzzkill for me. Consider me cheap but I'm not into paying 600 just for a BJ either. I personally prefer not to stay any longer than I have to in MP's considering the recent sweeps, so 60 min for me is fine.

Again, to each his own. As long as you are happy getting what you pay for, that's all that should matter.

Safe mongering, all.

Mute

I posted this here because I am not sure where to put this, and I would like more people in a busy thread to know what I have just read.

There were 3 or 4 police raids on various mongering joints around the country in the last few weeks I read about online in news articles posted in Firefox China. One was a massage parlor / spa in Fujian province where the police cased the joint for weeks to learn the precautionary measures taken by the business to avoid being busted. The latest one was on 7/14 in Guangxi. The place was in an office building. Apparently someone notified the police weeks ago and the police started covert surveillance. The place was busted, despite CC cameras, call ahead system, watch out guys, hidden entrance to play areas. 12 people were arrested, including, I think, 3 johns The time of the raid was after midnight. I thought that may be safer time, but the moral police works even in those odd hours. And I suppose the pressure put out by the government for clean up is still there.

While we talked about playing safe, I guess no amount of cautions can prevent you from getting busted, just Lady Luck.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1747160]Though not as cheap, you may try going to Judy's or Manhattan. Girls there start at 1,000 for all night.[/QUOTE]But be careful! I know many girls working their, and they have no interest in returning customer, so the strategy is: take overnight fee and leave after first shoot. They even teach new girls how to do that. For example run away while the guy take shower after first round. So mostly the payment is for 20 to 30 minutes. Many girls now even leave after 30 minutes, if the guy still not come. Found some excuse like "I need to help a friend who lost wallet", I am hungry, need to pick up some food or what ever. The calculation not will work with 1000 RMB each night, trust me guys! Their cost nearly like that currently! And they not find customers every day, so for sure they will work hard to get that for a short time!

And I know many girls who finally will leave, if you not agree to pay in advance. Just because if they go back and find another one with 1000 prepay, they can get more that night, if they agree to your 1000 for overnight, they know already this night not will cover their cost. Or you are the second one already, than can work. So if the low price is a point, I recommend to go there in week time and more late, than less girls will leave if you insist to pay later.

Nevertheless,

Have fun

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1747546]But be careful!And I know many girls who finally will leave, if you not agree to pay in advance. Just because if they go back and find another one with 1000 prepay, they can get more that night, if they agree to your 1000 for overnight, they know already this night not will cover their cost. Or you are the second one already, than can work. So if the low price is a point, I recommend to go there in week time and more late, than less girls will leave if you insist to pay later.

Nevertheless,

Have fun[/QUOTE]Interesting Steven, I believe you but I have lucked out. Not had that happen yet. I usually hang out until 130 before picking the girl, so by time we get back to the room its 2 pm. Even though I get them for the night, I tend to throw them out after 2 shots and by 5am so I can sleep anyway. I also never pay all in advance. The last girl I had was a newbie to Shanghai and arrived that day. She took the 1000 and didn't even know to ask for taxi money!

Another girl just wanted to sleep in my bed after the first shot. I told her to get out if she wasn't going to perform. She felt bad so we had a second round. I then threw her out anyway!

I am sure the sneaky ones are out there. I just don't know how to avoid them but so far so good.

SAM.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1747160]Though not as cheap, you may try going to Judy's or Manhattan. Girls there start at 1,000 for all night.[/QUOTE]Very few girls will start at 1000 - most at 2000 - some at 1500 - many can be had for 1000.

I was in Judys on Wednesday night - 5 or 6 African girls and all quoting RMB3,000 LT! WTF. Not in this lifetime. I took Africans from there in May for 1000 - no idea what has happened since then.

Three of us are going to Cosmos KTV on Saturday night. If you're interested in joining, PM me. Warning Cosmos is not cheap.

When bringing back girls from Manhattan or Judy's is there only a long time fee or what is the going short time fee?

[QUOTE=SamCan;1747578]

I am sure the sneaky ones are out there. I just don't know how to avoid them but so far so good.

SAM.[/QUOTE]I try to feel them out by flirting and joking at the bar before taking them. If you are making out with the girl (DFK) then that is a good sign that the experience back at the room will also be good.

I avoid the girls that try to rush and bring up "go to room" right away.

The seduction game is what I like about Manhattan and makes it a superior venues to Ipanema in Singapore (though the girls there are cheaper and arguably hotter). At Ipanema the hotter girls want to rush you to "go hotel" right away. So there is some risk involved that you will get a dud. But I guess I'v been pretty lucky as I only had 1 so-so experience and one great one. I even ended up meeting up with that girl in VN for some great GFE!

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

I observed that the bars on Chang Yi right in front of the Eton Hotel were noticeably quiet or possibly closed tonight. Is there a crackdown in Shanghai on adult establishments going on at the moment?

Noticed that the bars on Chang Yi Lu were closed around 19:30 this evening. The doors weren't open and nobody in front of the establishments. Is there a crackdown on adult establishments going on in Shanghai, or is Saturday just a slow night?

Sometimes you win some and some times you lose some. I've won quite a few but lost at this place.

Had my eye on it for awhile because cute girls inside and far away from the biz traveler drags of Pudong so figured wouldn't be that stupid upsell. There was.

The girl, #9, was cute but stupid. One doesn't expect genius in an MP, but there are standards for stupid even in an MP. RMB268 was the quoted price. Usually that high will include at least he.

Is there such thing as a no-hearted massage? Wasn't even half-hearted. Then the flip and then the upsell began. RMB600 for FS. No thanks. RMB400 for BJ. No thanks.

The whole thing sucked. Definitely suggest avoiding this place. Plenty better deals to be had out there.

I heard Hong Song was opened again. Does anyone know if it is opened or not?

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[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;1747642]Very few girls will start at 1000 - most at 2000 - some at 1500 - many can be had for 1000.

I was in Judys on Wednesday night - 5 or 6 African girls and all quoting RMB3,000 LT! WTF. Not in this lifetime. I took Africans from there in May for 1000 - no idea what has happened since then.[/QUOTE]Ouch! Prices like that make my right hand good company by comparison. Sadly though, I'm not able to offer it out to anyone else.

I got an urgent WeChat message just now from a sauna place I went to. It uses WeChat to post pictures etc and maintain a group chat. But the site host said, LE is cracking down on those WeChat actions, and LE apparently will go after the host. And because the group membership is listed on a side panel, LE can track all members if it wishes to. The sauna is immediately suspending all communications until further notice. Anyone else get similar notification?

Guys, it seems to be seriously windy out there. At least in the gubei area. Although I get updates from Dongsen, I saw girls leaving there at 7:30 as I was walking to a MP that turned out to be closed for the past 4 days (along with all the others in the area). I did see a guy going into Dongsen on my way back, about an hour and a half later. But seeing girls leave that early can't be a good sign.

I also noticed that although minghui is open (I get updates), they are for sure trying to look closed. I drive past every day. Steven also mentioned this.

Be safe brothers!

Taz.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1749610]Guys, it seems to be seriously windy out there. At least in the gubei area. Although I get updates from Dongsen, I saw girls leaving there at 7:30 as I was walking to a MP that turned out to be closed for the past 4 days (along with all the others in the area). I did see a guy going into Dongsen on my way back, about an hour and a half later. But seeing girls leave that early can't be a good sign.

I also noticed that although minghui is open (I get updates), they are for sure trying to look closed. I drive past every day. Steven also mentioned this.

Be safe brothers!

Taz.[/QUOTE]Yes, Gubei and Xuhui a little bit windy, but should get better this days. It was a storm forecast for around 7 days, so should end soon. And luckily we have a "micro-weather", so Min Hang District sunny this time.

Lose one. Win one. Tried out Buddha this week, got #9, quite excellent service actually. Face 6, body 7. 5, service 9. She's new so maybe she's trying extra hard to please but I felt like I could get her to do anything. Also recommend requesting the room directly behind the front desk as the entire thing is mirrored inside which makes for some nice views. RMB268.

Seeing better update activities, seems the wind may be dying down.

[QUOTE=Monomi;1750355]Lose one. Win one. Tried out Buddha this week, got #9, quite excellent service actually. Face 6, body 7. 5, service 9. She's new so maybe she's trying extra hard to please but I felt like I could get her to do anything. Also recommend requesting the room directly behind the front desk as the entire thing is mirrored inside which makes for some nice views. RMB268.[/QUOTE]Was there this week, the one I got last time left for greener pasture, I asked for someone with a bit of chest, got a be+, good service, lotta licking, nipple sucking, DFK, wasn't a willing participant but she insistedI ended up shooting between the thighs, was kind of weird experience. I don't remember her #, m sure she mentioned it to me a few times, gave me her contact and said she would soon transfer to the older shop by carrefort. Total damage: got change back for 3 red mao.

Cheers.

SL.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1750783]Seeing better update activities, seems the wind may be dying down.[/QUOTE]Yes, but it is still not a sky without clouds! For example the "wind" in the Xu Hui district last week has come over from a "thunderstorm" where the the flash is stamped into a running sauna club in West Long Hua Road!

They have been raided without any forewarning and several girls and customers went to prison.

We still try to find out, if also foreigners have been catched "with trousers down", but till now no detailed report from our "LE-contact". But a raid without a pre announcement is very unusual for Shanghai, so we all should keep in mind, that nothing is 100% safe, even not here in Shanghai.

And for all of us who ever will get catched in a raid, do not act too arrogant (many guys think, because they are foreigners with a good job and income, they are in a good position)!

The police in Shanghai recently got much more used to foreigners and there is no "respect" you can expect just for be a foreigner any more.

And it's only a small step for them to ban your visa for years!

So better "act guilty", ask for the penalty charge (and pretend not to know and understand, that this is just a payoff to them), pay what ever they ask for and leave! I would recommend not to bargain, and avoid any civil disorder!

And don't think you are rich and get a advantage simply from that! This time has passed long time ago! Many of the Chinese guys around make in one week what you think is your great salary for a year!

The only reason why you have a good chance that they let you go is the combination of the extra income together with avoid lots of paperwork.

But no need to worry too much, in China there is nearly always a way out, but you should avoid to close that door by your improper behavior.

Nevertheless, have fun.

[QUOTE=Monomi;1750355]Lose one. Win one. Tried out Buddha this week, got #9, quite excellent service actually. Face 6, body 7. 5, service 9. She's new so maybe she's trying extra hard to please but I felt like I could get her to do anything. Also recommend requesting the room directly behind the front desk as the entire thing is mirrored inside which makes for some nice views. RMB268.[/QUOTE]No offence intended and not doubting your experience but when I went there yesterday was told no #9. Then I asked if they had a new lady. Which was also declined.

Guess my bad luck.

FA.

I actually went thru an incident around last week where LE came into the MP I was in. It was in baoshan area at around 4 pm.

Got to say, I was freaking out. The masseuse was notified thru someone yelling something in the hallway. I was in the middle of getting a BJ for christs sake. The masseuse popped right up and told me to quickly put my clothes on. She was trying to assure me that nothing bad will happen. As you can probably assume, I was not at all comforted by her words. I rapidly put my clothes on with her saliva still on my junk. It took all of literally under 10 seconds to put on all of what I wore. She told me to just lie back down head first and to just stay calm. I was still freaking out a bit on the inside because I didn't know what to expect and I never take my passport with me whenever I go out mongering. Apparently, from what she told me, LE won't do anything to you if you aren't caught in the act of any sexual service or if any evidence isn't found. So as long as you have your clothes on and there are no condoms in sight, you are safe.

So indeed, LE came in thru the hallway. My face was down so I could hear what was going on. I told the masseuse to pretend I didn't speak any Chinese. LE was going into all the rooms and looking around. One of them spoke to me and asked me to get up. I heard the masseuse tell him that I was american and didn't know any chinese. Then the LE spoke English. Wtf. He asked me to stand up and present my passport. I was like. Aw crap. I didn't respond. I then just thought of something insane. I snored a bit. I made sure not to snore in any exaggerating way to make it believable. I heard the LE talk to each other and one said to the other that I fell asleep. The other LE said to check the other rooms and so they left.

I'm not tryin to make this incident sound in any way comical. I was shitting bricks. But it worked so that's that. The raid lasted for about 20 minutes or so. They left without any incident. The masseuse then told me that everything was fine and we could continue. She said an extra hour will be added free of charge. I was no longer in any mood. I doubt if I was going to be able to get it up again. I showered and left. The dudes who worked there were laughing their asses off when they heard what I did. They apologized and didn't charge me for the session.

As for getting caught or what not, I do believe most can be paid off. But in Shanghai, there are some who do play by the book and act accordingly. If that's the case, I think the person can be fined and deported. I don't mind the fine. Its the deportation that worries me.

Mute

[QUOTE=Mute333;1751243]
As for getting caught or what not, I do believe most can be paid off. But in Shanghai, there are some who do play by the book and act accordingly. If that's the case, I think the person can be fined and deported. I don't mind the fine. Its the deportation that worries me.

Mute[/QUOTE]You have been lucky, because it is like the girl told you, the used condom is the evidence that can bring you in trouble very fast. By the way, that is reason why many shops not offer any service, where you need a condom.

But also a stupid client can be reason for that. Some weeks ago there was a guy who believed when the police told him, he would not get in trouble, if he would tell them what really happened inside. After he admitted that he got "naughty service" there, he and the girl have been taken away by the police. Different to some other countries, the police is allowed to lie to get what they want to know.

And I agree a fine is would not be a big problem. But for getting caught in a prostitution case is not something can be handled with a fine. As far as I know the girl and the guest will be punished with 20 days in prison (If the girl caught first or second time, third time is punished with 2 years for hear).

And I guess it is hard enough to explain to your wife or company where you have been the last 3 weeks, but the big problem will be, that they will cancel your visa, so that you have 3 days to leave China and you will be banned for another 3 to 5 years from getting a new visa for China. That can totally change your life plan, if you need to be in China for business.

But as my Chinese friends use to say: there is always a way to solve a problem, if you have the budget for that. But it is getting more and more risky to get caught by someone, who is not corrupt.

So I wish all of us, that we will not get in trouble like that!

I had the same exact thing happen and the same outcome in the US. I would just say be careful. I am headed there in a few weeks and would love any input from senior members via PM. Curious about the quality of Judys and Manhattan girls.

HIT Me UP!!

[QUOTE=Mute333;1751243]I actually went thru an incident around last week where LE came into the MP I was in. It was in baoshan area at around 4 pm.




Got to say, I was freaking out. The masseuse was notified thru someone yelling something in the hallway. I was in the middle of getting a BJ for christs sake. The masseuse popped right up and told me to quickly put my clothes on. She was trying to assure me that nothing bad will happen. As you can probably assume, I was not at all comforted by her words. I rapidly put my clothes on with her saliva still on my junk. It took all of literally under 10 seconds to put on all of what I wore. She told me to just lie back down head first and to just stay calm. I was still freaking out a bit on the inside because I didn't know what to expect and I never take my passport with me whenever I go out mongering. Apparently, from what she told me, LE won't do anything to you if you aren't caught in the act of any sexual service or if any evidence isn't found. So as long as you have your clothes on and there are no condoms in sight, you are safe.

So indeed, LE came in thru the hallway. My face was down so I could hear what was going on. I told the masseuse to pretend I didn't speak any Chinese. LE was going into all the rooms and looking around. One of them spoke to me and asked me to get up. I heard the masseuse tell him that I was american and didn't know any chinese. Then the LE spoke English. Wtf. He asked me to stand up and present my passport. I was like. Aw crap. I didn't respond. I then just thought of something insane. I snored a bit. I made sure not to snore in any exaggerating way to make it believable. I heard the LE talk to each other and one said to the other that I fell asleep. The other LE said to check the other rooms and so they left.

I'm not tryin to make this incident sound in any way comical. I was shitting bricks. But it worked so that's that. The raid lasted for about 20 minutes or so. They left without any incident. The masseuse then told me that everything was fine and we could continue. She said an extra hour will be added free of charge. I was no longer in any mood. I doubt if I was going to be able to get it up again. I showered and left. The dudes who worked there were laughing their asses off when they heard what I did. They apologized and didn't charge me for the session.

As for getting caught or what not, I do believe most can be paid off. But in Shanghai, there are some who do play by the book and act accordingly. If that's the case, I think the person can be fined and deported. I don't mind the fine. Its the deportation that worries me.

Mute[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1750882]So better "act guilty", ask for the penalty charge (and pretend not to know and understand, that this is just a payoff to them), pay what ever they ask for and leave! I would recommend not to bargain, and avoid any civil disorder!
[/QUOTE]How much is a penalty charge? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1750783]Seeing better update activities, seems the wind may be dying down.[/QUOTE]I went today after work to the sauna place in Minhang that has a lot of local mongers. I was told to call when I got there. I was expected to see the front door padlocked again and I were to be met and taken up through the back way. But the front door was open, and inside was hopping: there were over 10 johns I could see, and the play pens were all occupied. I was cooling my heels in a waiting room for 20-25 minutes before one was finally ready.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1751538]How much is a penalty charge? Thanks.[/QUOTE]There is no penalty charge, the penalty is 10 to 20 days prison combined with the visa cancellation. The "fee" is just the way out, simply to avoid this consequences. As far as I have been told (luckily I also not have been faced to the case yet) the "hong bao" or "payout" should come out somewhere between 3000 to 5000 RMB, but can also be much less or even more. That will just depend on the "mood" of your "business partner" and your behavior.

For example I make sure that I always have two "backup pockets" filled with 3000 cash each for that case with me. Just to make sure, I can at least try to use that "emergency exit" for the case I get in a trouble like that. But just to evaluate the risk, even that is my daily business for years already and even I am in touch with many frequent monger here in Shanghai, neither I or any of them have ever been caught, so for someone who not daily monger around, the risk should even be much lower.

So don't worry too much, just enjoy.

I've been here twice in the past couple of weeks and had a couple of very different experiences. First time was a Thursday at opening time, arrived at 12:45 pm, waited until around 1:15 for the lineup. There were around 7 A and M girls, none if which I would have wanted to fuck even if they were paying me, they were all very ordinary. And there was 1 X girl, she looked very cute, but also looked like she was really not interested so I was hesitant to pick her. Well I'm glad I did as it was one of the best times I've ever had. It was X75, she said she was 23 (which I wouldn't doubt) and she was from somewhere close to Beijing, she spoke very minimal english, but tried a little bit. She also said it was her second day there and she had only worked 1 other day in a KTV. This I also wouldn't doubt as she seemed very very new. She kind of reminded me of JAV girl Aino Kishi, but with bigger fake (but very well done, maybe see cup) boobs. Skinny but not as skinny, and very pretty face. She was very into DFK, DATY and was really into the sex in a kind of nervous new girlfriend kind of way. I have no idea if she's still there or if 2 more weeks of this work has changed her but from my experience I'd highly recommend her. Like I said she was probably the best GFE I've ever had, my only complaint is she spent too much time in the shower (my fault I could have hurried this along), and also I think the buzzer went off in about 45 minutes, meaning I only got one shot. Also the price was 1598 with the discount card. Its really hard to balance though whether an amazing 45 minutes with a super hot girl is worth 2 sessions at some other places. Tough decisions!

My second experience was terrible. I went at around 3 PM on a Tuesday, it seemed like they were quite busy but I got ushered straight through to the lineup. There were around 4 A, 2 M and 4 X girls. Again the A and M girls were very very ordinary and I was not interested at all, all 4 X girls were super super super hot! Problem was I only had 1000 RMB in my pocket, I tried to explain to Tian Tian that I wanted an A or M girl but wasn't interested in any of those on offer and that I wanted to wait for a new lineup. She either couldn't understand what I meant or she did but just wasn't having it, so I finally gave in against my better judgement and agreed to take one of the M girls (big mistake). Anyway the girl was really not attractive to me, which sometimes if the service is good I can be OK with, but the service was also very ordinary. Very mechanical, wouldn't allow kissing, or touching anywhere, wasn't really interested in any position other than missionary. It was incredibly boring. I came once and still had about 50 minutes on the clock if they are supposed to be 90 min sessions, she instantly wanted me back in the shower which I took to mean she wasn't interested in another go, I really couldn't be bothered either so I showered and left. 998 with the discount for a 40 min session with an unattractive dead fish. Can't remember her number sorry.

Cathy's new website.

[URL]www.cathyshanghai.com[/URL]

Hi all,

Thanks for the help with the massage parlor on Yuyuan Branch Road. I just returned to Shanghai and am now searching for a place where they offer 火20912;21475;20132; (Fire and Ice BJ). I'm back in central China near Yuyua road, but if need be, I can travel elsewhere. If you know of such a place please let me know.

Young Blood

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1751119]No offence intended and not doubting your experience but when I went there yesterday was told no #9. Then I asked if they had a new lady. Which was also declined.

Guess my bad luck.

FA.[/QUOTE]Same here, went there today and no #9. Also #28 is no longer working there, she's on an extended "leave of absence". Did anyone get the address of Buddha's new sister location? Please PM me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Marty47;1753227]Cathy's new website.

[URL]www.cathyshanghai.com[/URL][/QUOTE]She is a champ. Well worth the price.

[QUOTE=YoungBlood;1753302]Hi all,

Thanks for the help with the massage parlor on Yuyuan Branch Road. I just returned to Shanghai and am now searching for a place where they offer 火20912;21475;20132; (Fire and Ice BJ). I'm back in central China near Yuyua road, but if need be, I can travel elsewhere. If you know of such a place please let me know.

Young Blood[/QUOTE]In my limited experience, this isn't a service offered at a sauna level, but you will find some girls in a sauna that do (or will) include this as a part of their service. Not familiar enough with the MP scene to know if you can even find it there.

Taz.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1752633]There is no penalty charge, the penalty is 10 to 20 days prison combined with the visa cancellation. The "fee" is just the way out, simply to avoid this consequences. As far as I have been told (luckily I also not have been faced to the case yet) the "hong bao" or "payout" should come out somewhere between 3000 to 5000 RMB, but can also be much less or even more. That will just depend on the "mood" of your "business partner" and your behavior.

For example I make sure that I always have two "backup pockets" filled with 3000 cash each for that case with me. Just to make sure, I can at least try to use that "emergency exit" for the case I get in a trouble like that. But just to evaluate the risk, even that is my daily business for years already and even I am in touch with many frequent monger here in Shanghai, neither I or any of them have ever been caught, so for someone who not daily monger around, the risk should even be much lower.

So don't worry too much, just enjoy.[/QUOTE]From what I understand the law is 5000 RMB fine + 15 day confinement (jail time) + notification to employer (for foreigners) and Bureau of Exit and Entry, this is the part that gets your visa/work permit revoked.

[QUOTE=Mute333;1751243]I actually went thru an incident around last week where LE came into the MP I was in. It was in baoshan area at around 4 pm.

Got to say, I was freaking out. The masseuse was notified thru someone yelling something in the hallway. I was in the middle of getting a BJ for christs sake. The masseuse popped right up and told me to quickly put my clothes on. She was trying to assure me that nothing bad will happen. As you can probably assume, I was not at all comforted by her words. I rapidly put my clothes on with her saliva still on my junk. It took all of literally under 10 seconds to put on all of what I wore....

So indeed, LE came in thru the hallway. My face was down so I could hear what was going on. I told the masseuse to pretend I didn't speak any Chinese. LE was going into all the rooms and looking around. One of them spoke to me and asked me to get up. I heard the masseuse tell him that I was american and didn't know any chinese. Then the LE spoke English. Wtf. He asked me to stand up and present my passport. I was like. Aw crap. I didn't respond. I then just thought of something insane. I snored a bit. I made sure not to snore in any exaggerating way to make it believable. I heard the LE talk to each other and one said to the other that I fell asleep. The other LE said to check the other rooms and so they left.

I'm not tryin to make this incident sound in any way comical. I was shitting bricks.....

Mute[/QUOTE]Hilarious and informative at the same time! I am heading to Shanghai in a few and this kind of experience helps put things into perspective. Sounds familiar if you are a US mongerer.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1733649]I recently posted a very short review on kang ding indicating I could find no fault (other than the location for me). There's more to the story, and I've finally decided how to deal with it. The reality is this was the most amazing GFE I've received in China (not just saunas, but LT pick ups as well). This was in no way a sauna service, we had a very simple shower, then straight to the bed (although there's a large wet bed in the shower area). I was initially disappointed, but went along. I laid down on my belly, expecting the usual fire / ice. But that didn't happen either. What did happen was a very short touching / kissing session on my back, then a quick flip. From this point on, everything felt more like meeting a stranger in a hotel room and having amazing sex, than a sauna experience. This girl simply fcked me, and did not want to stop. Although I don't believe I'm well hung, I've heard OMG, more times than I count in Asia. This girl loved the fact I have more going on down there than the typical Asian man.

There was one point during our session as we were moving to doggy, she was upright on her knees facing the wall mirror with me behind her working my way down her (sweaty) back with my mouth and my hands working her front side to my satisfaction. That was followed by DATY and fingering before insertion.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, I take a medication that sometimes causes me to require manual intervention to achieve completion. At one point I removed the cover to do just that, and she would have nothing to do with that. We quickly put a new cover on and went back at it. In the end, HJ was required. We were simply out of time.

There was a limited amount of kissing, seemed to me she was struggling with this entire encounter. Wanting to do more with me than a typical customer. Now, I'm not naive enough to easily fall for the fantasy created by talented WG's. Which is why I'm posting this. If anyone is interested in checking her out to see if they might get the same experience, shoot me a pm and I'll give you the details you need. The only thing I'll add here is she was an "X" level girl.

Taz.[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience way back in Shanghai hotel sauna, back when it had good selection of girls. I went with one of the girls a couple of times and the experience was great. We stretched one session so much that front desk called while we were still at it. I think we were at least 15 minutes overtime and the girl didn't give a shit. I think you give this a try. Worse is if she just ignored you.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1752633]There is no penalty charge, the penalty is 10 to 20 days prison combined with the visa cancellation. The "fee" is just the way out, simply to avoid this consequences. As far as I have been told (luckily I also not have been faced to the case yet) the "hong bao" or "payout" should come out somewhere between 3000 to 5000 RMB, but can also be much less or even more. That will just depend on the "mood" of your "business partner" and your behavior.
{S N I P}
So don't worry too much, just enjoy.[/QUOTE]Hi SG, I am interested in your knowledge of visa cancellations (and other penalties). I have never met anyone who has been caught in a raid, so I have no personal knowledge of the penalties that police apply.

However, to the best of my knowledge, prostitution is an administrative offence (not a criminal offence) under the Penalties for Administration of Public Security (2005).

According to this law, both prostituting and visiting prostitutes are offences administered by the PSB. A WG or a person who goes whoring can be detained for between 10 and 15 days and may in addition be fined up to 5,000 yuan. If the circumstances are relatively minor (arbitrarily determined by the PSB), the detention can be up to 5 days, and up to 500 yuan fine.

But of course the Police are able to arbitrarily collect whatever penalties they want! My questions are:

• do the police regularly cancel foreigners' visas in Shanghai for mongering offences?
• why would police go to the bother of initiating a visa cancellation (they just want the money)?
• do you have any knowledge of this occurring in other places in China?

I ask these questions because a number of posters here have repeatedly claimed that one will get automatic visa cancellation for mongering and a stamp put in one's passport.

Cheers,
Ikksman

Hi guys,

Getting ready for my first trip to Shanghai. Been hoping to make the trip for a long time and it finally materialized! I'm definitely hoping to enjoy some fun at the end of the day. Can anyone provide recommendations around the Royal Meridien? I'm not against taking a cab, but I thought it might be best to keep things easy since its a short trip. Please feel free to PM.

Thanks in advance for the help and advice. Looking forward to a great time!

Regards,

DV

[QUOTE=DelhiVisitor;1755839]Hi guys,

Getting ready for my first trip to Shanghai. Been hoping to make the trip for a long time and it finally materialized! I'm definitely hoping to enjoy some fun at the end of the day. Can anyone provide recommendations around the Royal Meridien? I'm not against taking a cab, but I thought it might be best to keep things easy since its a short trip. Please feel free to PM.

Thanks in advance for the help and advice. Looking forward to a great time!

Regards,

DV[/QUOTE]The only recommendation I give you is to avoid all touts and approaching girls around your hotel and on Nanjing Road. I also would avoid any massage places near your hotel. It;'s all scam, and you are risking to lose a lot of money.

If not. Do some readings here. Manhattan is not far by taxi, so are some of the saunas mentioned on this forum.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1755969]The only recommendation I give you is to avoid all touts and approaching girls around your hotel and on Nanjing Road. I also would avoid any massage places near your hotel. It;'s all scam, and you are risking to lose a lot of money.

If not. Do some readings here. Manhattan is not far by taxi, so are some of the saunas mentioned on this forum.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the sage advice. I'll definitely follow it and report back if I manage to get out.

DV

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1754826]

But of course the Police are able to arbitrarily collect whatever penalties they want! My questions are:

do the police regularly cancel foreigners' visas in Shanghai for mongering offences?
why would police go to the bother of initiating a visa cancellation (they just want the money)?
do you have any knowledge of this occurring in other places in China?

I ask these questions because a number of posters here have repeatedly claimed that one will get automatic visa cancellation for mongering and a stamp put in one's passport.

Cheers,
Ikksman[/QUOTE]Um, because LE sometimes have performance indexes or quotas that they need to make series of busts in timed intervals and / or special national gatherings dictated by political needs.

I don't know if the police regularly target foreigners, but by law they are required to notify employer and the exit / entry bureau which controls yours VISA.

Yes, they may demand arbitrary amounts of legitimate or illegitimate fines (aka bribes) to make the record disappear.

However that is highly dependent upon:

A) how much they need the foreigner to fill said quota.

B) how fast you can negotiate the deal and.

C) how long can you be missed without anyone noticing.

Say if you are tourist traveling alone in China is completely different from an expat expected to show up for work everyday or show up at some meeting.

Like the story I told before, a friend's coworker was thrown in jail for three days, and he finally negotiated his release for 60,000 RMB without an official record.

Yes, his Mandarin sucked, and yes, the LE ignored him for three days before finally sending some officer who is capable of negotiating in English.

However, he had trouble explaining to his employer about his three day absence so he still lost his job and along with it his China work visa.

If I were in his shoes, I might have told my boss I was being kidnapped and held hostage by some crazy locals.

Sometimes LE can be persuaded with money, sometimes they can't even if they want to take the money.

Like if they receive some political directive that requires them to catch some examples of foreign mongers abusing Chinese women.

S.

[QUOTE=DelhiVisitor;1755839]Hi guys,

Getting ready for my first trip to Shanghai. Been hoping to make the trip for a long time and it finally materialized! I'm definitely hoping to enjoy some fun at the end of the day. Can anyone provide recommendations around the Royal Meridien? I'm not against taking a cab, but I thought it might be best to keep things easy since its a short trip. Please feel free to PM.

Thanks in advance for the help and advice. Looking forward to a great time!

Regards,

DV[/QUOTE]

The area of Nanjing Lu around the Royal Meridian is ground zero for touts and others who make their living conning tourists (even the shoeshine creeps are robbing you). If you want to turn a great holiday into a nightmare just talk to anyone who walks up to you on the street and is friendly. Do not ever go anywhere with a tout male or female (including beautiful teenagers).

To find out more about scams read the forum.

The usual route would be Judy's or Manhattan. If you go there you can have a great time but it can be a bit of a tourist trap. The girls are now mostly Vietnamese. If you want to meet naked Chinese girls go to a sauna. To find a good sauna search the forum for sauna.

Have a great time.

[QUOTE=Carage;1756846]Um, because LE sometimes have performance indexes or quotas that they need to make series of busts in timed intervals and / or special national gatherings dictated by political needs.[/QUOTE]Hi S,

Yes, I agree that LE (in many countries) are given quotas, and some of the quotas are politically driven.

[QUOTE]I don't know if the police regularly target foreigners, [b]but by law they are required to notify employer and the exit / entry bureau which controls yours VISA[/b].[/QUOTE]It seems unusual to me that a person who has committed a minor administrative offence (and not a criminal offence), would have his employer notified and visa cancelled.

I wonder if this is an actual law or a threat by LE guys to extract the maximum RMB! I am genuinely interested how you found out that this law exists.

[QUOTE]However, he had trouble explaining to his employer about his three day absence so he still lost his job and along with it his China work visa.[/QUOTE]I am interpreting this to be that his Z visa, Alien Work / Foreign Expert Certificate and / or Residence permit was cancelled at the request of the guy's employer, and not initiated by the Chinese authorities (as he paid a huge amount of RMB to be released without any official record of his offence).

I hope that some other posters can add to this thread as I think that it is important to accurately assess our risks and make rational decisions regarding mongering activities.

[QUOTE]If I were in his shoes, I might have told my boss I was being kidnapped and held hostage by some crazy locals.[/QUOTE]Great excuse! We should all note this one!

Ikks.

Anyone been to kd lately that would recommend someone from the X lineup?

I wonder if they do takeout, m pretty paranoid about all the talk about crackdown.

Pm your recommendation. Thank you very much in adv.

Cheers,

SL.

[QUOTE=JPopp;1752785]I've been here twice in the past couple of weeks and had a couple of very different experiences. First time was a Thursday at opening time, arrived at 12:45 pm, waited until around 1:15 for the lineup. There were around 7 A and M girls, none if which I would have wanted to fuck even if they were paying me, they were all very ordinary. And there was 1 X girl, she looked very cute, but also looked like she was really not interested so I was hesitant to pick her. Well I'm glad I did as it was one of the best times I've ever had. It was X75, she said she was 23 (which I wouldn't doubt) and she was from somewhere close to Beijing, she spoke very minimal english, but tried a little bit. She also said it was her second day there and she had only worked 1 other day in a KTV. This I also wouldn't doubt as she seemed very very new. She kind of reminded me of JAV girl Aino Kishi, but with bigger fake (but very well done, maybe see cup) boobs. Skinny but not as skinny, and very pretty face. She was very into DFK, DATY and was really into the sex in a kind of nervous new girlfriend kind of way. I have no idea if she's still there or if 2 more weeks of this work has changed her but from my experience I'd highly recommend her. Like I said she was probably the best GFE I've ever had, my only complaint is she spent too much time in the shower (my fault I could have hurried this along), and also I think the buzzer went off in about 45 minutes, meaning I only got one shot. Also the price was 1598 with the discount card. Its really hard to balance though whether an amazing 45 minutes with a super hot girl is worth 2 sessions at some other places. Tough decisions!

My second experience was terrible. I went at around 3 PM on a Tuesday, it seemed like they were quite busy but I got ushered straight through to the lineup. There were around 4 A, 2 M and 4 X girls. Again the A and M girls were very very ordinary and I was not interested at all, all 4 X girls were super super super hot! Problem was I only had 1000 RMB in my pocket, I tried to explain to Tian Tian that I wanted an A or M girl but wasn't interested in any of those on offer and that I wanted to wait for a new lineup. She either couldn't understand what I meant or she did but just wasn't having it, so I finally gave in against my better judgement and agreed to take one of the M girls (big mistake). Anyway the girl was really not attractive to me, which sometimes if the service is good I can be OK with, but the service was also very ordinary. Very mechanical, wouldn't allow kissing, or touching anywhere, wasn't really interested in any position other than missionary. It was incredibly boring. I came once and still had about 50 minutes on the clock if they are supposed to be 90 min sessions, she instantly wanted me back in the shower which I took to mean she wasn't interested in another go, I really couldn't be bothered either so I showered and left. 998 with the discount for a 40 min session with an unattractive dead fish. Can't remember her number sorry.[/QUOTE]

I was equally lucky having found an outcall just walking late night home on the street and passing by. Out of what impulse I turned around and she did too.

Chatting a little and I liked her right away, but was tired. She gave me her mobile and I called next night. After 3 years I still see her mostly overnight.

Having the best GF experience with all bells and whistles. Just PM me giving me your email and a little bit of who you are.

I will forward to her and let her decide to get in touch with you. Her English in writing not so strong but sufficient for fixing a meeting. In talking I always have a great time often at dinner with lot of laughing.

She ask for 1 hour even less then you list here, and she is really beatiful and not need any "silicone".

Gregory.

[QUOTE=JPopp;1752785]I've been here twice in the past couple of weeks and had a couple of very different experiences. First time was a Thursday at opening time, arrived at 12:45 pm, waited until around 1:15 for the lineup. There were around 7 A and M girls, none if which I would have wanted to fuck even if they were paying me, they were all very ordinary. And there was 1 X girl, she looked very cute, but also looked like she was really not interested so I was hesitant to pick her. Well I'm glad I did as it was one of the best times I've ever had. It was X75, she said she was 23 (which I wouldn't doubt) and she was from somewhere close to Beijing, she spoke very minimal english, but tried a little bit. She also said it was her second day there and she had only worked 1 other day in a KTV. This I also wouldn't doubt as she seemed very very new. She kind of reminded me of JAV girl Aino Kishi, but with bigger fake (but very well done, maybe see cup) boobs. Skinny but not as skinny, and very pretty face. She was very into DFK, DATY and was really into the sex in a kind of nervous new girlfriend kind of way. I have no idea if she's still there or if 2 more weeks of this work has changed her but from my experience I'd highly recommend her. Like I said she was probably the best GFE I've ever had, my only complaint is she spent too much time in the shower (my fault I could have hurried this along), and also I think the buzzer went off in about 45 minutes, meaning I only got one shot. Also the price was 1598 with the discount card. Its really hard to balance though whether an amazing 45 minutes with a super hot girl is worth 2 sessions at some other places. Tough decisions!

My second experience was terrible. I went at around 3 PM on a Tuesday, it seemed like they were quite busy but I got ushered straight through to the lineup. There were around 4 A, 2 M and 4 X girls. Again the A and M girls were very very ordinary and I was not interested at all, all 4 X girls were super super super hot! Problem was I only had 1000 RMB in my pocket, I tried to explain to Tian Tian that I wanted an A or M girl but wasn't interested in any of those on offer and that I wanted to wait for a new lineup. She either couldn't understand what I meant or she did but just wasn't having it, so I finally gave in against my better judgement and agreed to take one of the M girls (big mistake). Anyway the girl was really not attractive to me, which sometimes if the service is good I can be OK with, but the service was also very ordinary. Very mechanical, wouldn't allow kissing, or touching anywhere, wasn't really interested in any position other than missionary. It was incredibly boring. I came once and still had about 50 minutes on the clock if they are supposed to be 90 min sessions, she instantly wanted me back in the shower which I took to mean she wasn't interested in another go, I really couldn't be bothered either so I showered and left. 998 with the discount for a 40 min session with an unattractive dead fish. Can't remember her number sorry.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StaidLo;1757035]Anyone been to kd lately that would recommend someone from the X lineup?

I wonder if they do takeout, m pretty paranoid about all the talk about crackdown.

Pm your recommendation. Thank you very much in adv.

Cheers,

SL.[/QUOTE]KD is just too crazy expensive for me. 1598 RMB for 60 minutes?? Ridonkulous. One question I have is that some of the KD girls photos are showing up in the wechats of other saunas like Donguan. Is that real? Are some of the girls working in multiple saunas? Or is that them just stealing photos?

Has anyone been to Donguan sauna or men's heaven? Any reports?

Just to set an update. We had to hide 3 saunas on our page today for at least one month (and we not even charge for it). My contact told me, the "sauna weather" is very bad this days, because after the raid last time the police got a lot of pressure to "copy the success". So many places not sure any more how safe they are actually, so I would be a little bit careful the next 4 weeks, because if even the boss not have self confidence about his status, I also would not be too sure. My filter for the "status" is often, if the boss or good friends of the boss are in the location. Than it's obviously safe. If he has a lot of reason, why he do not be able to show up, I prefer also not to go there.

Nevertheless, let's have fun.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1757222]KD is just too crazy expensive for me. 1598 RMB for 60 minutes?? Ridonkulous. One question I have is that some of the KD girls photos are showing up in the wechats of other saunas like Donguan. Is that real? Are some of the girls working in multiple saunas? Or is that them just stealing photos?

Has anyone been to Donguan sauna or men's heaven? Any reports?[/QUOTE]Yeah I know man. My regular place for the last year has been Baliya Sauna which is 700 for 90 minutes (I've been there at least 20-30 times), I can go there 2.5 times for the price of a Kangding X girl (3.75 times if you count it by hours! But this girl X75 (who I think is maybe already not there anymore) and all the other X girls which I haven't had a chance to try yet but saw in the lineup. These girls are smoking hot for a start, young, beautiful girls, the kind of girl you walk past on the street in Shanghai and turn around and go "holy shit, I wonder what it would be like to ever fuck a girl that hot". No idea if they all would be the kind of GFE service I had with that one, but someone else mentioned a similar experience with another X girl there. Are they worth 2.5 sessions in another Sauna, it's a real tossup man, I'm debating that hard because you're right it's ridiculously expensive. But I'm seriously leaning towards yes. I think I need to give at least one more X girl a shot to see if there's some consistency to the service to match the hotness though.

Will report back.

Can't answer the question on photos.

BTW, does anyone know what I can say in Chinese if I don't like anyone in the lineup and want to wait in the lounge for 30 mins or an hour for a new lineup?

[QUOTE=JPopp;1757338]BTW, does anyone know what I can say in Chinese if I don't like anyone in the lineup and want to wait in the lounge for 30 mins or an hour for a new lineup?[/QUOTE]Wo xiang deng ban ge xiaoshi kan bie de.

[QUOTE=JPopp;1757338]BTW, does anyone know what I can say in Chinese if I don't like anyone in the lineup and want to wait in the lounge for 30 mins or an hour for a new lineup?[/QUOTE]现22312;19981;35201;现在不要. 等等下次. 谢谢。
Xian zai bu yao. Deng deng xia ci. Xie xie.

Now, not want. Wait (until) next time. Thanks.

Hope this helps.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

Just the other day my buddy and I arrived in Shanghai. We are staying at the Sofitel which is right off Nanjing Rd West near the shopping area. We were headed back to the hotel and were approached my a female offering to help us find all the stuff we were shopping for at good prices. She took us to some small hole in the wall shops and we got all the shit we set out for. We had a nice tour guide. Her name on that day was Lisa. So Lisa carried all the stuff back to our hotel and we told her we wanted to go to a couple more shopping areas. She hailed the cabs and told the driver where we were going. At the end of our shopping Lisa suggested that we go to a lady bar to meet some sexy ladies while having some beers. A nice cold beer and hot ladies sounded good after a day of haggling. She hailed the cab and within ten minutes we were at the bar.

This is where I wish I could tell you exact address but I do not know my way around other than to say near renmin square. Hole in the wall place with basic sign above door saying "coffee and beer bar". Lisa came in with us and we were guided to a small room with a tv and booth style sofa. Mamasan brought in two girls and two beers for my buddy and I. Lisa excused herself to the rest room. My "spidey senses" said something is not right so I told my buddy to down his tall boy TsingTao and lets go. I got up and he cracked a joke and he stayed with his girl. My girl followed me out of the room and I yelled for Lisa that I wanted to leave. So I tried to open the front door and it was locked. Mamasan told Lisa to bring me upstairs so I finished my beer up there and said I wanted to leave. Mamasan let us leave thru the back door. My buddy was still there. I texted him that I was leaving and to meet at hotel. About ten minutes later he called and said he was robbed.

Here is what happened after I left he said four dudes came into his room and one had a gun in his pants pocket. One dude demanded two credit cards and hotel key. He was forced to pay for a transaction of 17,000 rmb by entering pin. They also took pictures of room key and made him sign a sworn statement that he enjoyed his "service". He said even though he had 2,000 rmb cash they weren't interested in that. As soon as he got back to hotel we called credit card place and cancelled transaction.

Like I said I don't have the exact place but hopefully this story puts some of you on a heightened alert. Be careful even with tour guides.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1757822]Just the other day my buddy and I arrived in Shanghai. We are staying at the Sofitel which is right off Nanjing Rd West near the shopping area. We were headed back to the hotel and were approached my a female offering to help us find all the stuff we were shopping for at good prices. She took us to some small hole in the wall shops and we got all the shit we set out for. We had a nice tour guide. Her name on that day was Lisa. So Lisa carried all the stuff back to our hotel and we told her we wanted to go to a couple more shopping areas. She hailed the cabs and told the driver where we were going. At the end of our shopping Lisa suggested that we go to a lady bar to meet some sexy ladies while having some beers. A nice cold beer and hot ladies sounded good after a day of haggling. She hailed the cab and within ten minutes we were at the bar.

This is where I wish I could tell you exact address but I do not know my way around other than to say near renmin square. Hole in the wall place with basic sign above door saying "coffee and beer bar". Lisa came in with us and we were guided to a small room with a tv and booth style sofa. Mamasan brought in two girls and two beers for my buddy and I. Lisa excused herself to the rest room. My "spidey senses" said something is not right so I told my buddy to down his tall boy TsingTao and lets go. I got up and he cracked a joke and he stayed with his girl. My girl followed me out of the room and I yelled for Lisa that I wanted to leave. So I tried to open the front door and it was locked. Mamasan told Lisa to bring me upstairs so I finished my beer up there and said I wanted to leave. Mamasan let us leave thru the back door. My buddy was still there. I texted him that I was leaving and to meet at hotel. About ten minutes later he called and said he was robbed.

Here is what happened after I left he said four dudes came into his room and one had a gun in his pants pocket. One dude demanded two credit cards and hotel key. He was forced to pay for a transaction of 17,000 rmb by entering pin. They also took pictures of room key and made him sign a sworn statement that he enjoyed his "service". He said even though he had 2,000 rmb cash they weren't interested in that. As soon as he got back to hotel we called credit card place and cancelled transaction.

Like I said I don't have the exact place but hopefully this story puts some of you on a heightened alert. Be careful even with tour guides.[/QUOTE]Never, never, never go with touts.

Just my experience, and, now, your's also.

Never, never.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1757222]KD is just too crazy expensive for me. 1598 RMB for 60 minutes?? Ridonkulous. One question I have is that some of the KD girls photos are showing up in the wechats of other saunas like Donguan. Is that real? Are some of the girls working in multiple saunas? Or is that them just stealing photos?

Has anyone been to Donguan sauna or men's heaven? Any reports?[/QUOTE]Haven't been to either, but my guess is the "new" donguan, is KD. Way too many duplicate pics. But in any case, if it is the same place, it's good to have someone there who can speak English.

Taz.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1756971]Hi S,

Yes, I agree that LE (in many countries) are given quotas, and some of the quotas are politically driven.

It seems unusual to me that a person who has committed a minor administrative offence (and not a criminal offence), would have his employer notified and visa cancelled.

I wonder if this is an actual law or a threat by LE guys to extract the maximum RMB! I am genuinely interested how you found out that this law exists.

I am interpreting this to be that his Z visa, Alien Work / Foreign Expert Certificate and / or Residence permit was cancelled at the request of the guy's employer, and not initiated by the Chinese authorities (as he paid a huge amount of RMB to be released without any official record of his offence).

I hope that some other posters can add to this thread as I think that it is important to accurately assess our risks and make rational decisions regarding mongering activities.

Great excuse! We should all note this one!

Ikks.[/QUOTE]Ikks,

Been hesitant to post as I don't have first (or even 2nd) hand knowledge of what happens. And these forums tend to be a bit unforgiving. But what the hell, here's my two fen worth.

While I don't have any experience in this specific situation, I do have experience with both, administrative and criminal law in China (how and why belong in other forums). What I can say for sure is that most, if not all, laws are written to be intentionally vague. Both in the law itself and the punishment. Keep in mind, "the rule of law" (in quotes as that is a word of art) is very new to China and the adjustment has been going on at a snail's pace. This allows enforcement of the laws to be left up to judgement. This is where payoffs and other negotiations come in.

So, without knowing for sure, do I believe there are automatic penalties for being caught mongering, nope. It simply doesn't fit the model. I do know for sure however, that your job will absolutely have an impact in how you are treated. I was recently involved in a traffic altercation (yes, I drive in this crazy city) and was asked on two separate occasions (for the same incident) what I did in China. It wasn't until I satisfied them that I was a contributor to their tax system (ie, had a good job) that they made any effort to really help me in the situation. Personally I think this really sucks, but this is how it is.

Taz.

[QUOTE=JPopp;1757337]Yeah I know man. My regular place for the last year has been Baliya Sauna which is 700 for 90 minutes (I've been there at least 20-30 times), I can go there 2.5 times for the price of a Kangding X girl (3.75 times if you count it by hours! But this girl X75 (who I think is maybe already not there anymore) and all the other X girls which I haven't had a chance to try yet but saw in the lineup. These girls are smoking hot for a start, young, beautiful girls, the kind of girl you walk past on the street in Shanghai and turn around and go "holy shit, I wonder what it would be like to ever fuck a girl that hot". No idea if they all would be the kind of GFE service I had with that one, but someone else mentioned a similar experience with another X girl there. Are they worth 2.5 sessions in another Sauna, it's a real tossup man, I'm debating that hard because you're right it's ridiculously expensive. But I'm seriously leaning towards yes. I think I need to give at least one more X girl a shot to see if there's some consistency to the service to match the hotness though.

Will report back.

Can't answer the question on photos.[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention. This was with the discount card from SNG. Got 200 off. Regular price for X girl is 1798!

I just got back from Shanghai.

I went to Judy's and found this girl. I had a little spinner that stood about 4 foot 10. This is personally what I like. She probably had a good B cup so there was no complaining about no breasts. She is 23 or 24. She told me but I don't remember. When I had her the first night, she was so tight I struggled but got the job done. I went out and got some lube at the loca alldays and brought her back for another couple nights. I had moved from Puxi to Pudong and she was willing to take a cab to my hotel when I texted her

She is new to the business. She told me this is her second time in Shanghai. She said she lost her virginity on the job the first time in Shanghai. I told her that was a mistake as a lot of Chinese pay top dollar to pop the cherry. Anyway. She has not had too many men and the mei mei show it. She is ok in the sack as she is still learning but willing for lessons. BBBJ not a problem. Multiple shots not an issue if negotiated up front. If you want something tighter than you have had since high school, now is the time.

She is at Judy's every night with another girl about the same height. The other girl is also viet but dyes her hair a dark blond. She is about 30.

They are both there until the 17th so move fast.

If you can't find her, PM me I have name and digits. I am only available until the 15th myself. You are then on your own.

SAMCAN

I had one of the girls come to my hotel from the agency. Her name is snow. She is new and truth be told she looks exactly like the picture on the website!! She was great. BBBJ, DATY all on the menu. I chose CBJ and I think if I had not, it would have been over in a minute. The BJ skills are that good. She put the condom on with her mouth, rode me for a while cowgirl and then switched to mish. I was having trouble finishing. (it had been a long week with a lot of girls haha). She rolled me over changed condoms and finished me with a very good BJ.

Her chest is dynamite at 36 the. Her waist is small and butt great. She is 24 and looks it. After we finished we talked via translator for a bit and then she went her way.

Steven says they are all good for 2 shots. I wish I had enough left to find out.

Her reviews are posted on the site.

SamCan approval, I highly recommend.

Nikki gives a great massage. I have found you either get a great massage and a lousy he or vice versa. Rarely do you get both. There is one all time fave I have that breaks this rule until now. I now have another one.

Nikki is a 30 something with probably a C cup and they are nice. She is quite attractive and her English is excellent for those of you that can't speak Chinese. The shop is very clean (small) and the shower is good as well.

After a very good massage, she gets up on your back and while applying pressure to your back rubs her little mei mei on your butt. Usually she has underwear on while doing this but you can feel the little sister well. When she massages your butt, she carelessly has fingers touch your balls and anus in an almost mistaken way. It is not all on like you get with most girls. It is almost like you are not sure it is going to go where you think it will. It really helps with the arousal.

On the flip, I played with / kissed the chest, kissed the nipples and her neck while she stroked me. I gave her FIV and worked her up.

She spoke dirty a little around how she wanted to make love to me. I asked later how much but thought the rate was too high as there was a boss fee to get her out of the shop. YMMV.

Damages were 300 for an hour 400 for 90 minutes. (this is 50 rmb less than the stated rate, but all I said was discount and she immediately dropped it). The tip for a 90 minute session was 200. She wanted more but I said no. The haggle session lasted no more than a minute. I am sure if I saw her regularly that would go away and the rate would be established.

I am no newbie to shanghai, I know the 400+200 rate for a 90 massage / he is high. (or 300/200 for an hour) Maybe you can do better with her. I just really like nikki as I have seen her twice. I find her more fun than the girls at BJ lu for just a little more money. You also get the full 90 minutes on a massage if that is what you pay for. Other girls cut it short after you come. NIkki does not. She asks what you want massaged after. I had her massage my head and legs.

She is located near the Shanghai Hilton. PM me for location and information and I will provide. As I have given her name, I don't want to post location. I can't remember her number but I think it is 19.

She is SAMCAN approved.

As these girls get older the management will push them out. Some have offered extras as they know it encourages the guy to return. Many do not if all they get is he, which is mandatory at most massage places. Also, after one visit the options increase.

I was just in Jingan and tried out the MP on Beijing Lu. Usually there is a good selection of girls there. However, even when I asked to see several, then only had one available, who was cute enough. She was No 6. She.

Gave a nice litlle oil massage, that was brief. She spoke decent English for those of you who don't speak Chinese. She allowed lots of roaming but dis not really get into it. On the flip a good he but she did get me out in 45 minutes. All in all a decent session for 268 + 100 tip. There are probably better options in the area.

I also stopped by the usual WG bars. Malones is permanently shut down. I asked if they were just renovating but they said no. It is closed. However, Manhattan and Judy's are still going strong. The only difference was the band was much better in Judy's but the girls were equal in number and in quality in both places.

Both were filled with pretty Viet girls and there are many to choose from it that's your thing.

Safe travels,

AL.

Spending 10 days in Shanghai in September. Looking for some on finding high quality company. Any suggestions are very welcome.

I just returned from my first 2 week visit to Shanghai. First, a little about me. I have mongered in every corner of the world from Tijuana to Toronto, Manilla and Angeles City, Germany FKKs, Pananma etc. My latest. Shanghai. What a poor excuse for humanity. SERIOUSLY! Every single person is looking to scam you. Don't beleive me then just go and see. As far as the ladies. REALLY? What a fucking scam place. After I got scammed a couple times I used a site I thought was solid. SNL. NOPE! I had a girl come over to my hotel. She showed up, showered and left all within 20 minutes. I let the SNL guy know but he never even bothered to respond back to me. Don't use SNL, don't even go to Shanghai. This place totally sucks and you constantly have to watch your wallet. Hey Shanghai. I wish we blew you up too! You are a worthless area that will implode once we start to take jobs back to the US and stop with your f $% nonsense!

Go USA! H1.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1759879]I just returned from my first 2 week visit to Shanghai. First, a little about me. I have mongered in every corner of the world from Tijuana to Toronto, Manilla and Angeles City, Germany FKKs, Pananma etc. My latest. Shanghai. What a poor excuse for humanity. SERIOUSLY! Every single person is looking to scam you. Don't beleive me then just go and see. As far as the ladies. REALLY? What a fucking scam place. After I got scammed a couple times I used a site I thought was solid. SNL. NOPE! I had a girl come over to my hotel. She showed up, showered and left all within 20 minutes. I let the SNL guy know but he never even bothered to respond back to me. Don't use SNL, don't even go to Shanghai. This place totally sucks and you constantly have to watch your wallet. Hey Shanghai. I wish we blew you up too! You are a worthless area that will implode once we start to take jobs back to the US and stop with your f $% nonsense!

Go USA! H1.[/QUOTE]Wow, this is troubling indeed. I am heading there soon and wasn't expecting much based on this forum, but your snapshot seems quite bleak. Did you gather some intel from old timers here before choosing your options? I, like you, monger around the world and so far my almost worst experience was in Istanbul (more scammers per capita than I have seen anywhere, by far), until an old timer here gave me actionable intel, and then it turned into the most memorable experience, and I can't wait to go back. Let me see if there will be any redeeming responses to your post from Shanghai regulars.

I just PMed you. Bottom line. Shanghai Nightlife guide and dude running it is a total rip off!

[QUOTE=Kib123;1759897]Wow, this is troubling indeed. I am heading there soon and wasn't expecting much based on this forum, but your snapshot seems quite bleak. Did you gather some intel from old timers here before choosing your options? I, like you, monger around the world and so far my almost worst experience was in Istanbul (more scammers per capita than I have seen anywhere, by far), until an old timer here gave me actionable intel, and then it turned into the most memorable experience, and I can't wait to go back. Let me see if there will be any redeeming responses to your post from Shanghai regulars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1759903]I just PMed you. Bottom line. Shanghai Nightlife guide and dude running it is a total rip off![/QUOTE]I don't agree. I used SNL service a couple of times, the girls were the same as presented and described on the website, maybe photoshopped here and there, but in general, no dissapointment.

And all of them were very friendly and eager to please. Maybe you girl had a bad day, or the chemistry between you both simply didn't match.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Kib123;1759897]Wow, this is troubling indeed. I am heading there soon and wasn't expecting much based on this forum, but your snapshot seems quite bleak. Did you gather some intel from old timers here before choosing your options? I, like you, monger around the world and so far my almost worst experience was in Istanbul (more scammers per capita than I have seen anywhere, by far), until an old timer here gave me actionable intel, and then it turned into the most memorable experience, and I can't wait to go back. Let me see if there will be any redeeming responses to your post from Shanghai regulars.[/QUOTE]This is a guy that has been to Shanghai once. I have been there 30++ times. Many people on this forum live there. Yes, Shanghai is challenging. It is not Bangkok. You can't just fall into pussy although it is pretty much everywhere you look.

Scams in Shanghai? Of course. But if you have read 3 pages here or SNG's (SNL as you call it) website every scam has been described. My own experience and others have been very good with his site.

I had an awesome experience with one of the girls. I just got back from shanghai and got laid by 6 different girls in 9 days. I had one girl 3 different times. All of these were decent to awesome experiences.

Shanghai is what it is, but I love it and always have gotten what I paid for.

SamCan.

So I should have known better, here on business and staying at my friends apartment. I was staying so close to Nanjing Road I decided to try WeChat with some girls and see where it lead. I usually go to the high end massage / spa places, but this was my mistake. Big mistake.

This girl was very presentable and met me at the Apple Store on Nanjin Road. I thought I could bring her back to my apartment so we walked around and lunch together and she said she would bring me to meet some girls. We did and walked down an ally close to the Hagen Das and walked in and was brought upstairs. A line of girls came out and they said 300 RMB. I didn't like any of them and was about to leave. My girl said she needed to use the restroom and left. I'm with the manager and she said 150 RMB and I decided OK. After the deed was done 4 big local guys come in and start to shake me down.

Took my wallet, used my phone to check balances on my cards and bank account. Took my cards and swiped. They said they wanted 29 k RMB and I have no where near that amount. They held me there for some time and I tried my best to talk them down. Ended up swiping about 2 K USD on my cards and made me sign. They let me go and I immediately called my card companies and had them block the transaction and issue a new card.

Do not go to Nanjing Road.

Are the local small BBS safe? It's been two years since I've been back, so I'm unaware.

Careful out there.

I've also had good experiences with Steve's girls. Not the cheapest in the world, but some are quite hot and classy.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiMj;1760018]

. Ended up swiping about 2 K USD on my cards and made me sign. T.[/QUOTE]2000 USD for a 150 RMB screw?? And they steven's girls are expensive LOL.

Sorry about your troubles. I hope you got the cards cancelled in time.

SamCan.

I really do not share Hobbiest1's negative opinion of Shanghai. I have mongered in a good number of places around the world as well and I found the quality / price ratio in Shanghai to be unequaled.

As a matter of fact, I am seriously thinking of hinting to my boss that I may be willing to stay on this "hardship" assignment in Shanghai when it ends in 2 years (And how about a raise if I stay on in Shanghai, boss? You know it is hard to be a expat).

If I cannot swing that, I am putting Shanghai at the top of the list of my vacation spots, and want to do two trips here each year (unless LE turned Shanghai into a moribund Dongguan.).

By any chance was her name Lisa? What a piece of work she is. Way to represent your country Lisa. What a POS.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiMj;1760018]So I should have known better, here on business and staying at my friends apartment. I was staying so close to Nanjing Road I decided to try WeChat with some girls and see where it lead. I usually go to the high end massage / spa places, but this was my mistake. Big mistake.

This girl was very presentable and met me at the Apple Store on Nanjin Road. I thought I could bring her back to my apartment so we walked around and lunch together and she said she would bring me to meet some girls. We did and walked down an ally close to the Hagen Das and walked in and was brought upstairs. A line of girls came out and they said 300 RMB. I didn't like any of them and was about to leave. My girl said she needed to use the restroom and left. I'm with the manager and she said 150 RMB and I decided OK. After the deed was done 4 big local guys come in and start to shake me down.

Took my wallet, used my phone to check balances on my cards and bank account. Took my cards and swiped. They said they wanted 29 k RMB and I have no where near that amount. They held me there for some time and I tried my best to talk them down. Ended up swiping about 2 K USD on my cards and made me sign. They let me go and I immediately called my card companies and had them block the transaction and issue a new card.

Do not go to Nanjing Road.

Are the local small BBS safe? It's been two years since I've been back, so I'm unaware.

Careful out there.[/QUOTE]

The Hobbiest would be advised to RTTF to avoid any mistakes in the future.

Thanks! That is EPIC advice. I have read the last 2 years of forum threads. I was not really lamenting or complaining but just trying to help others with my bad experience. If you read the post after mine another guy was mugged the same way my friend was and the same general area. If Shanghai is your city, you should be pretty ashamed of it as it has more scammers than I have seen anywhere including Bangkok, Manilla, Panama and Tijuana. Your city is the shithole of the world. CONGRATS!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1760252]The Hobbiest would be advised to RTTF to avoid any mistakes in the future.[/QUOTE]

So the dude read two years' worth of forum thread, yet got scammed at Nanjing road. There's a post just about every 3rd page here crying over someone getting scammed or robbed at Nj road and he still still ventured out there? Are these Nanjing road scam posts in fine prints?

It's like calling LA the butthole of the universe because I ventured out to Compton and Inglewood in search of a BJ and got mugged.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1760254]Thanks! That is EPIC advice. I have read the last 2 years of forum threads. I was not really lamenting or complaining but just trying to help others with my bad experience. If you read the post after mine another guy was mugged the same way my friend was and the same general area. If Shanghai is your city, you should be pretty ashamed of it as it has more scammers than I have seen anywhere including Bangkok, Manilla, Panama and Tijuana. Your city is the shithole of the world. CONGRATS![/QUOTE]

Arizona and Beijing. Your responses are the epitome of Shanghai. I have been to many other places and the kind people on those boards were friendly. Your responses are as ugly as Shanghai itself!

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1760269]So the dude read two years' worth of forum thread, yet got scammed at Nanjing road. There's a post just about every 3rd page here crying over someone getting scammed or robbed at Nj road and he still still ventured out there? Are these Nanjing road scam posts in fine prints?

It's like calling LA the butthole of the universe because I ventured out to Compton and Inglewood in search of a BJ and got mugged.[/QUOTE]

Hobbist1 . How do you manage to come off as a cry baby and a bully at the same time. ? What annoyed me the most were your ignorant comments about bombing Shanghai. The Japanese military has already done this. "OUR JOBS" are gone due to economics. The Chinese ISG community is helpful to those that are receptive to that help and don't make blanket statements. Yes! It's a little bad, but all the good makes it worthwhile. If you had read enough of the forum you could have taken percautions. Don't pay your provider until she stays the entire time.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1760281] . If you had read enough of the forum you could have taken percautions. Don't pay your provider until she stays the entire time.[/QUOTE]This comment about paying at the end and Nanjing lu scams have both been covered a dozen times in the last 2 years. Maybe he was reading another board? (sarcasm)

BIG USA Call out to Sam, Bejing and Arizona for being so helpful and welcoming (sarcasm). You guys exemplify the reason why the East and West are so far divided (truth). I only wish I could have personally met any of you and looked you all in the eye. I can be very proud of what I did and where I am from. Yeah. Maybe I missed some posts. Shame on me. I take responsibility for that. Let me ask you. What do you take responsibility for? Do you seriously think that this bullshit in your shitbowl of a city can go on without repercussion? Really? Sooneror later some westerner will be sick of all your shit and take action. You all are just lucky I was a gentleman. Keep sponsoring acts of violence toward foreign visitors and lets see where that gets your country.

In your totally distorted view of the world you seem to think it is 'OK' that what happened to my friend and to a subsequent visitor was all "business as usual" because we didn't study the threads on all the dangers of Shanghai. I am biting my tongue now as I really can't relate to your thought process. You are truly very primitive and deserve everything that Shanghai provides you.

Thanks again and see you all in September.

BOYCOTT SCAMHAI! #ShanghaiScams.

H1.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1760284]This comment about paying at the end and Nanjing lu scams have both been covered a dozen times in the last 2 years. Maybe he was reading another board? (sarcasm)[/QUOTE]

To stay factual is what I need and got here often, anything else is useless and since we all are successful and nice guys.

We refrain from scam between us.

Have a nice time back home and cool down.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1760323]BIG USA Call out to Sam, Bejing and Arizona for being so helpful and welcoming (sarcasm). You guys exemplify the reason why the East and West are so far divided (truth). I only wish I could have personally met any of you and looked you all in the eye. I can be very proud of what I did and where I am from. Yeah. Maybe I missed some posts. Shame on me. I take responsibility for that. Let me ask you. What do you take responsibility for? Do you seriously think that this bullshit in your shitbowl of a city can go on without repercussion? Really? Sooneror later some westerner will be sick of all your shit and take action. You all are just lucky I was a gentleman. Keep sponsoring acts of violence toward foreign visitors and lets see where that gets your country.

In your totally distorted view of the world you seem to think it is 'OK' that what happened to my friend and to a subsequent visitor was all "business as usual" because we didn't study the threads on all the dangers of Shanghai. I am biting my tongue now as I really can't relate to your thought process. You are truly very primitive and deserve everything that Shanghai provides you.

Thanks again and see you all in September.

BOYCOTT SCAMHAI! #ShanghaiScams.

H1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1760323]BIG USA Call out to Sam, Bejing and Arizona for being so helpful and welcoming (sarcasm). You guys exemplify the reason why the East and West are so far divided (truth). I only wish I could have personally met any of you and looked you all in the eye. I can be very proud of what I did and where I am from. Yeah. Maybe I missed some posts. Shame on me. I take responsibility for that. Let me ask you. What do you take responsibility for? Do you seriously think that this bullshit in your shitbowl of a city can go on without repercussion? Really? Sooneror later some westerner will be sick of all your shit and take action. You all are just lucky I was a gentleman. Keep sponsoring acts of violence toward foreign visitors and lets see where that gets your country.[/QUOTE]Either you are trolling (its fun 5 minutes but no point pushing it too much) or you're serious in which case you have to be one of the most moronic poster I've read here.

Newsflash:

- every country has tourist traps, you just happened to jump right in it.

Try going to a champagne bar in Pigale in Paris or London or wherever, the bill won't be any lighter.

- most posters you're accusing of "taking no responsibility for the violence against foreign visitors in their country". Are foreigners and this is not their country.

What everyone is telling you is that you're frustrated because you got scammed and everyone gets that but a better reading of the forum would have allowed you to get a much better experience and generalizing on the whole city or country will get you nowhere. Shanghai has a lot to bring once you understand how things work (best if you speak Chinese too). Much better than the destinations you quoted IMO but to each their own.

Sir,

This tells me more about you than it does about Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1759879]I just returned from my first 2 week visit to Shanghai. First, a little about me. I have mongered in every corner of the world from Tijuana to Toronto, Manilla and Angeles City, Germany FKKs, Pananma etc. My latest. Shanghai. What a poor excuse for humanity. SERIOUSLY! Every single person is looking to scam you. Don't beleive me then just go and see. As far as the ladies. REALLY? What a fucking scam place. After I got scammed a couple times I used a site I thought was solid. SNL. NOPE! I had a girl come over to my hotel. She showed up, showered and left all within 20 minutes. I let the SNL guy know but he never even bothered to respond back to me. Don't use SNL, don't even go to Shanghai. This place totally sucks and you constantly have to watch your wallet. Hey Shanghai. I wish we blew you up too! You are a worthless area that will implode once we start to take jobs back to the US and stop with your f $% nonsense!

Go USA! H1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1760323]BIG USA Call out to Sam, Bejing and Arizona for being so helpful and welcoming (sarcasm). You guys exemplify the reason why the East and West are so far divided (truth).............. I only wish I could have personally met any of you and looked you all in the eye.

-------. You are truly very primitive and deserve everything that Shanghai provides you.

H1.[/QUOTE]I am starting to get an understanding on why Steven's girl stayed only 20 minutes with this guy. I am not sure it was all her.

This is actually a friendly forum. I have personally given much PM advice to anyone who asks. I also have received. I don't have a lot of tolerance for one post wonders who can't do their homework and even less so for those that visit a place once and bash a place without understanding it.

Good luck to you Hobbiest, Sincerely wishing you all the best in September.

If you want some advice for your September trip and find it too difficult to read the forum, PM me and I will help. No need to read the forums anymore. I'll bring the spoon for feeding.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1760147]I really do not share Hobbiest1's negative opinion of Shanghai. I have mongered in a good number of places around the world as well and I found the quality / price ratio in Shanghai to be unequaled.

As a matter of fact, I am seriously thinking of hinting to my boss that I may be willing to stay on this "hardship" assignment in Shanghai when it ends in 2 years (And how about a raise if I stay on in Shanghai, boss? You know it is hard to be a expat).

If I cannot swing that, I am putting Shanghai at the top of the list of my vacation spots, and want to do two trips here each year (unless LE turned Shanghai into a moribund Dongguan.).[/QUOTE]I am not all that experienced but if I could be anywhere in the world right now it would be at Bodi spa. I am sure there are better options but Bodi spa worked for me.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;1760458]I am not all that experienced but if I could be anywhere in the world right now it would be at Bodi spa. I am sure there are better options but Bodi spa worked for me.[/QUOTE]Ditto here, Bodi and SiYuan usually delivers great for me.

I am itching for the ear cleaning massage already. LOL.

After 15 years and about 90 trips to China, I have many great friends, female and male. I base out of SH and travel all of China. I love the scams. When I don't have anything to do I get a bottle of wine and sit outside at Xin Tian Di. I love it when the scammers girls come up and want to practice English. I just play along, sometime an hour or so. Then they get frustrated and leave and another shows ups. Anybody that travels the world should know not to go anyplace with anybody you don't know. Every time I go to the Bund to meet for dinner. Outside when I am waiting I must get hit on 5 times. I just NO or play along, it is hilarious to me to let them think they hooked me. Then I just walk into the restaurant and leave them standing there. I must have ten in my stable in SH. Keep in touch with them all the time on WE CHAT. Always bringing small gifts from US and hardly ever pay for anything. Sometimes they pick up dinner and taxi fares. As in any business, treat your customers and vendors with respect and it pays for itself in the end.

I feel for the guys that are scammed in SH or any other city in the US or the world, but thinking with the "little head" will always get you in trouble. I heading over to SH tomorrow and my problem is that I have three lined up for the first night, two will be disappointed, but will take care of them later in the week.

SNL is a good sight and helps all the "newcomers" , yes they have gotten expensive, . But Cathy is around, Beverly Jones is reliable, RAIN's girls are all reliable. There is a lot out there if you do your research. I have never been to Judy's or Manhattan's, just no need to go through all the hassle. (I am early to bed).

So if your planning a trip to SH, just do your research on another site or other forums like this one. There is plenty of information available to keep you safe and have an enjoyable experience. Thinking you can just get something cheap is just going to get you in trouble, as the saying's goes "you get what you pay for" "if it's too good to be true, it isn't there in the first place". If there were not gullible people out there in the world, there would be no scammers.

There have been so many posts about scammers in this forum and in the Shanghai Daily newspaper it is hard to believe some of you get caught up with them.

One time in the middle east many years ago, I went with two guys in Mercedes to visit a factory, because the businessman I was with knew the owners and didn't want to go, I was on a fact finding, kind of under cover mission. Got in the back seat and drove off. The two guys in front seat said to each other " I wonder how much we can get ransom for the American" . Scared the shit out of me, then they started laughing at me. Taught me a good lesson!

After the acrimonious rant ending with "boycott SCAMHAI", I doubt HB1 saying "see you in September" meant the timing of his next trip here. I think it was his "cute" way of saying goodbye: what high school students say to each other at the end of school year. But it was good for you to offer to point him in the right direction.

Acrimonious rant? Really? REALLY? Sorry but I am not going to lie down and let you and the few others beat me down. As I said, I did nothing wrong. YES! I admit I didnt get the full picture of SH by reading the forum posts. MY BAD and shame on me. Thanks for your compassion :) I also do NOT take back my original comments. Even after I have had over a day to reflect I still wish Shanghai was (or is in the future) wiped off the face of any map. Not just becuase of what happened to me and my friend but boosted because of you and a few (but not all) posters responses.

Here is my analogy of your collective responses. I am a young driver. I don't really know the roads and how to navigate them. ANALOGY HERE. Keep reading. ANALOGY. Yes I have studied enough to pass my exam and get my license but I still lack experience on the roads. SUDDENLY, I CRASH my car. Not because I didn't study but because I just didn't have the background that many other drivers with many years experience have. NOW. And take this to heart. I CRASHED MY CAR. OK?

So what do I get? I get from a few of the complete A-HOLES on this board a total A-HOLE response. Why did you crash your car? Translated, a few have said. Why didn't you study the threads? Its your fault! Really? REALLY? To those that were part of that dialog I say FUCK YOU! No wait. FUCK YOU and your mother. You dicks have zero compassion and I hope that karma comes back to bite your balls off. Because of your responses and the way I was treated in SCAMHAI I say. Thank You. Yes. Thats right. You totally made me reflect. I will NEVER go to Shanghai again and I will let everyone here in the US know what apathetic pricks you all are. Hey I have an idea. How about a tea ceremony? No wait. Lets go to Nanjing road and get MUGGED. Nah. How about the cheap phone switch. No how about the fake currency switch out. No wait. Why on earth would any civilized human being go to Shanghai? Muggings robberies and everything is WAAAAY over-priced including pussy. Pfffttt. I'm done.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1760532]After the acrimonious rant ending with "boycott SCAMHAI", I doubt HB1 saying "see you in September" meant the timing of his next trip here. I think it was his "cute" way of saying goodbye: what high school students say to each other at the end of school year. But it was good for you to offer to point him in the right direction.[/QUOTE]

You referred to the website that scammed you was SNL was this NGL? Or SNG (shanghai night life guide). I know for a fact that you would have gotten a reply from Steven.

Can you just clarify who scammed you and did not reply?

At least if you are going to bash a site can you let us know who you wronged you and what happened? At least the right guy gets the whipping. I promise not to say you used the wrong site blah blah, I just want the right person pointed out and for what.

Samcan.

When someone calls you an ass, he may be wrong. When 2 persons call you ass, it may be a coincidence. When everyone in the room calls you an ass, you should shop for a saddle.

I am from the States, and pretty much everyone who responded to you are expats living and working in China, so you can stick your racist ramblings in a place where the sun won't shine. When you look in a dictionary, your picture shows up under "ugly American". Please tell others you are from Remulak instead.

When one meets a brutish, overbearing and obnoxious person, one cut short the encounter as early as possible. The girl who had the misfortune to get you as a john should be commended for staying for 20 minutes.

Yes, you should not come back to SCAMHAI. Good luck with dodging bullets in Tijuana, something you alluded to in your other posts.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1760147]I really do not share Hobbiest1's negative opinion of Shanghai. I have mongered in a good number of places around the world as well and I found the quality / price ratio in Shanghai to be unequaled.

As a matter of fact, I am seriously thinking of hinting to my boss that I may be willing to stay on this "hardship" assignment in Shanghai when it ends in 2 years (And how about a raise if I stay on in Shanghai, boss? You know it is hard to be a expat).

[/QUOTE]North, I should try your trick on my boss. There are a few mongering heavens in the world I would sure like to find an excuse to visit more often. I hope Shanghai will join the club after my visit.

[QUOTE=Marty47;1760517]After 15 years and about 90 trips to China, I have many great friends, female and male. I base out of SH and travel all of China. I love the scams. When I don't have anything to do I get a bottle of wine and sit outside at Xin Tian Di. I love it when the scammers girls come up and want to practice English. I just play along, sometime an hour or so. Then they get frustrated and leave and another shows ups. Anybody that travels the world should know not to go anyplace with anybody you don't know. Every time I go to the Bund to meet for dinner. Outside when I am waiting I must get hit on 5 times. I just NO or play along, it is hilarious to me to let them think they hooked me. Then I just walk into the restaurant and leave them standing there.

I feel for the guys that are scammed in SH or any other city in the US or the world, but thinking with the "little head" will always get you in trouble.

[/QUOTE]I agree with your post and couldn't help but chuckle. Being prepared sure helps. I got scammed in Vegas once, and then read about how common that scam was a week later and really felt stupid. But that experience helped prepare me for 'scam sniffing'. For instance, first time I visited Istanbul (another scammers paradise) I was much better prepared and laughed off the myriads of scams thrown at me.

That said, it is still impossible to be 100% scam proof.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1759879]After I got scammed a couple times I used a site I thought was solid. SNL. NOPE! I had a girl come over to my hotel. She showed up, showered and left all within 20 minutes. I let the SNL guy know but he never even bothered to respond back to me. Don't use SNL. [/QUOTE]Nothing personal but the Shanghai Nightlife Guide is about promoting it's clients. They are generally overpriced and overage like in most or all Shanghai internet businesses. My only experience with girls from there got me scammed for 2000 rmb. I think newbies like it because it offers them an easy solution.

So to all NEWCOMERS TO SHANGHAI. Read this forum to get the benefit of the experience that guys who know the place have. Instead of expecting it all to be brought to your hotel room on a platter go out and enjoy yourself. But be careful of course. Everything on a street is a dangerous scam. That is why they are on the street.

[QUOTE=Marty47;1760517]
SNL is a good sight and helps all the "newcomers" , yes they have gotten expensive, . But Cathy is around, Beverly Jones is reliable, RAIN's girls are all reliable. [/QUOTE]Or you could read the forum and have a great time with a beautiful 20 year old Chinese girl for 300 rmb (tourist price. Just pay it or she'll cry).

Since you called me a whinger for commenting on the advertising on this site last year I noticed no one has dared to open their mouths about it.

This forum used to be better. You could trust it and believe it. No one was trying to sell you anything.

Due to the city being the capital, it is completely safe and scam-free. Compared to Shanghai, the air tastes crisp, the areas with BBS' are well marked and the police have been taught to treat expatriates with respect as we are valuable guests and should not be messed with. The Beijing board is much more lively with much more rich intel so you don't need to deal with scandalous middle men with overpriced milfs.

So forget that number two city, come to where the real action is. Beijing.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1760689]Acrimonious rant? Really? REALLY? Sorry but I am not going to lie down and let you and the few others beat me down. As I said, I did nothing wrong. YES! I admit I didnt get the full picture of SH by reading the forum posts. MY BAD and shame on me. Thanks for your compassion :) I also do NOT take back my original comments. Even after I have had over a day to reflect I still wish Shanghai was (or is in the future) wiped off the face of any map. Not just becuase of what happened to me and my friend but boosted because of you and a few (but not all) posters responses.

Here is my analogy of your collective responses. I am a young driver. I don't really know the roads and how to navigate them. ANALOGY HERE. Keep reading. ANALOGY. Yes I have studied enough to pass my exam and get my license but I still lack experience on the roads. SUDDENLY, I CRASH my car. Not because I didn't study but because I just didn't have the background that many other drivers with many years experience have. NOW. And take this to heart. I CRASHED MY CAR. OK?

So what do I get? I get from a few of the complete A-HOLES on this board a total A-HOLE response. Why did you crash your car? Translated, a few have said. Why didn't you study the threads? Its your fault! Really? REALLY? To those that were part of that dialog I say FUCK YOU! No wait. FUCK YOU and your mother. You dicks have zero compassion and I hope that karma comes back to bite your balls off. Because of your responses and the way I was treated in SCAMHAI I say. Thank You. Yes. Thats right. You totally made me reflect. I will NEVER go to Shanghai again and I will let everyone here in the US know what apathetic pricks you all are. Hey I have an idea. How about a tea ceremony? No wait. Lets go to Nanjing road and get MUGGED. Nah. How about the cheap phone switch. No how about the fake currency switch out. No wait. Why on earth would any civilized human being go to Shanghai? Muggings robberies and everything is WAAAAY over-priced including pussy. Pfffttt. I'm done.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys, this place is to help bro's to find opportunities and stay free from problems:

I can second Marty's elder statesman general very good advice.

Take all with a grain of salt!

About HB's outbreak: HB, can you give a short sober summary what happened please, so all guys here can benefit. AND do not give the lady's name in public, please!

Thanks and look forward to get any specific contacts via PM.

Gregory.

I will take Gregory be's advice as he and I have exchanged PMs in the past and he has helped me the most. First, I will appologize for offending any board members with my comments and don't really wish to keep the fruitless exchange going. The spirit of this board isto help one another and that was truely my original intent. To notify others of my bad experiences in Shanghai. I will summarize again for everyone now.

1. First night I went to Judys at 1:30 AM and there were many 7's but nothing above. I pulled a very nice girl from Vietnam for 1,000 rmb to stay from 4 am - 7 am.

2. Next I went to Hangzhou and didn't really get the feel that there was many freelancer bars like Judys so I ordered a few girls from Backpage which always has its issues but it was convenient. No issues but way overpriced at 1,300 rmb / HR.

3. Last night () Thursday) in Hangzhou went to Westlake to a bar that was pretty cool with live music. That was Thursday didn't see any freelancers. Had to get in 5 cabs before one understood how to get to my hotel. This really sucked and was very frustrating.

4. Friday arrived in Shanghai and didn't do much because of the weather so my buddy and I had a very expensive (2,000 rmb) dinner.

5. Saturday. SCAM Day! First went to Peoples Park and a few people tried the tea ceremony scam on us but since I did some (evidently very little) home work I was keen to this one. Next went shopping on Nanjing road. Didn't find a lot of stuff so on way back to hotel a lady stopped and asked if she could help us find stuff. She seemed nice / innocent enough so we took her up on the offer. She took us to a bunch of places and we got all the souveniers we set out for. Over the course of a few hours she gained our trust. My mistake I guess. Then she suggests if we want a nice cold beer and some ladies she knows just the place. She took us to some hole in the wall place (coffee and beer bar) and that's where my buddy got robbed of 17,000 rmb by 4 thugs - 1 with a gun. You can read my post on here from a week ago that details our "lesson". No "SCAM DAY" would be complete without a visit from one of Steve's girls (Shanghai Nightlife Guide). She stayed 20 minutes although I paid for 1 hour. I have RTFF and understand the protocol of pay at the end. I get it. You have to put yourself in my shoes and understand that I don't want any trouble so I was not going to bargain with her. Especially after the day I had at the "lady bar".

6. Sunday. I got another girl from some website (can't remember name of site). After all the crap from Sunday neither I nor my friend were going to go out so I "ordered in". Actually we were headed out to dinner and stopped into a hotel next to radison Blu and the guy at the hotel said the area was not safe for us to walk around and to just eat dinner in the hotel.

7. Monday. Ordered in same girl from Sunday.

8. Tues, Weds. Nothing spectactular. Stll not going out. To this point I have had Chinese food every day and pretty tired of it so I went to the big mall on the Bund where there is a Hooters and went there for my final night.

Overall, I had an 'OK' time but even though I RTFF and am a veteran worldwide monger I got scammed and felt I had to watch my back at all times. I do NOT speak Chinese so that was very frutrating to just get a cab and get around. There are many places that I have been including Germany FKKs and I have to say I am looking forward to my return to Germany in a few weeks and DREADING my next trip to Shanghai in September.

Again, I will refrain from any more negative comments and I hope this very lucid (sober) account helps someone who is new to Shanghai.

Gregory. Thank you for your assistance!

H1.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1760744]Hi guys, this place is to help bro's to find opportunities and stay free from problems:

I can second Marty's elder statesman general very good advice.

Take all with a grain of salt!

About HB's outbreak: HB, can you give a short sober summary what happened please, so all guys here can benefit. AND do not give the lady's name in public, please!

Thanks and look forward to get any specific contacts via PM.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]

I have read in a number of posts about rip offs that resulted in situations where there were physical danger. The thugs had demanded the marks to sign for credit card charges, and as soon as the victims escaped to safety, they called the credit card companies to stop payments. Did that work? Do credit card companies actually cancel those transactions. ?

I guess the lessons may be:

1. do not fall for baits that result in you being robbed in a place where you cannot get help.

2. if canceling the credit card transaction is always possible, just pay whatever they asked for by credit card so you get out of physical danger, and then call the credit card companies to notify them. Don't even spend that much time to talk down the amount (Maybe haggle just a little bit to appear that they will get that money). You want to get out of there, fast.

But I am not sure how easy it is to try to stop payment, or the thugs will not be asking you to sign for a bill with credit card. They will take all your cash and valuables.

I also read when police was notified of the robbery, they helped to recover the cash taken in several occasions. Is that generally true, or those were not so frequent exceptions?

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1760744]Hi guys, this place is to help bro's to find opportunities and stay free from problems:

I can second Marty's elder statesman general very good advice.

Take all with a grain of salt!

About HB's outbreak: HB, can you give a short sober summary what happened please, so all guys here can benefit. AND do not give the lady's name in public, please!

Thanks and look forward to get any specific contacts via PM.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Gregory, I got to throw a shout out to you! I just went through this pointless, but somehow entertaining, exchange and have to give you a world of credit for even bothering with HB1, let alone being so patient.

To HB1, I'd like to clarify one point. Two of the posters you called out by name happen to be American and extremely helpful. One in particular has gone out of his way to help me. I do believe most people on this board genuinely try to support their fellow mongerers, but when you come out of the gate the way you did, well I guess all I can say is what the hell were you expecting?

[QUOTE=ShanghaiMj;1760018]So I should have known better, here on business and staying at my friends apartment. I was staying so close to Nanjing Road I decided to try WeChat with some girls and see where it lead. I usually go to the high end massage / spa places, but this was my mistake. Big mistake.

This girl was very presentable and met me at the Apple Store on Nanjin Road. I thought I could bring her back to my apartment so we walked around and lunch together and she said she would bring me to meet some girls. We did and walked down an ally close to the Hagen Das and walked in and was brought upstairs. A line of girls came out and they said 300 RMB. I didn't like any of them and was about to leave. My girl said she needed to use the restroom and left. I'm with the manager and she said 150 RMB and I decided OK. After the deed was done 4 big local guys come in and start to shake me down.

Took my wallet, used my phone to check balances on my cards and bank account. Took my cards and swiped. They said they wanted 29 k RMB and I have no where near that amount. They held me there for some time and I tried my best to talk them down. Ended up swiping about 2 K USD on my cards and made me sign. They let me go and I immediately called my card companies and had them block the transaction and issue a new card.

Do not go to Nanjing Road.

Are the local small BBS safe? It's been two years since I've been back, so I'm unaware.

Careful out there.[/QUOTE]If you're looking for higher end suggestions, shoot me a pm.

Taz.

But got my doubts. But in case you like to get some very good contacts, honest like a saint (haha.) PM works best.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1760787]Gregory, I got to throw a shout out to you! I just went through this pointless, but somehow entertaining, exchange and have to give you a world of credit for even bothering with HB1, let alone being so patient.

To HB1, I'd like to clarify one point. Two of the posters you called out by name happen to be American and extremely helpful. One in particular has gone out of his way to help me. I do believe most people on this board genuinely try to support their fellow mongerers, but when you come out of the gate the way you did, well I guess all I can say is what the hell were you expecting?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1760763]I will take Gregory be's advice as he and I have exchanged PMs in the past and he has helped me the most. First, I will appologize for offending any board members with my comments and don't really wish to keep the fruitless exchange going. The spirit of this board isto help one another and that was truely my original intent. To notify others of my bad experiences in Shanghai. I will summarize again for everyone now.

1. First night I went to Judys at 1:30 AM and there were many 7's but nothing above. I pulled a very nice girl from Vietnam for 1,000 rmb to stay from 4 am - 7 am.

2. Next I went to Hangzhou and didn't really get the feel that there was many freelancer bars like Judys so I ordered a few girls from Backpage which always has its issues but it was convenient. No issues but way overpriced at 1,300 rmb / HR.

3. Last night () Thursday) in Hangzhou went to Westlake to a bar that was pretty cool with live music. That was Thursday didn't see any freelancers. Had to get in 5 cabs before one understood how to get to my hotel. This really sucked and was very frustrating.

4. Friday arrived in Shanghai and didn't do much because of the weather so my buddy and I had a very expensive (2,000 rmb) dinner.

5. Saturday. SCAM Day! First went to Peoples Park and a few people tried the tea ceremony scam on us but since I did some (evidently very little) home work I was keen to this one. Next went shopping on Nanjing road. Didn't find a lot of stuff so on way back to hotel a lady stopped and asked if she could help us find stuff. She seemed nice / innocent enough so we took her up on the offer. She took us to a bunch of places and we got all the souveniers we set out for. Over the course of a few hours she gained our trust. My mistake I guess. Then she suggests if we want a nice cold beer and some ladies she knows just the place. She took us to some hole in the wall place (coffee and beer bar) and that's where my buddy got robbed of 17,000 rmb by 4 thugs - 1 with a gun. You can read my post on here from a week ago that details our "lesson". No "SCAM DAY" would be complete without a visit from one of Steve's girls (Shanghai Nightlife Guide). She stayed 20 minutes although I paid for 1 hour. I have RTFF and understand the protocol of pay at the end. I get it. You have to put yourself in my shoes and understand that I don't want any trouble so I was not going to bargain with her. Especially after the day I had at the "lady bar".

6. Sunday. I got another girl from some website (can't remember name of site). After all the crap from Sunday neither I nor my friend were going to go out so I "ordered in". Actually we were headed out to dinner and stopped into a hotel next to radison Blu and the guy at the hotel said the area was not safe for us to walk around and to just eat dinner in the hotel.

7. Monday. Ordered in same girl from Sunday.

8. Tues, Weds. Nothing spectactular. Stll not going out. To this point I have had Chinese food every day and pretty tired of it so I went to the big mall on the Bund where there is a Hooters and went there for my final night.

Overall, I had an 'OK' time but even though I RTFF and am a veteran worldwide monger I got scammed and felt I had to watch my back at all times. I do NOT speak Chinese so that was very frutrating to just get a cab and get around. There are many places that I have been including Germany FKKs and I have to say I am looking forward to my return to Germany in a few weeks and DREADING my next trip to Shanghai in September.

Again, I will refrain from any more negative comments and I hope this very lucid (sober) account helps someone who is new to Shanghai.

Gregory. Thank you for your assistance!

H1.[/QUOTE]Hobbiest-.

Thanks for sharing. While not an ideal experience, maybe not a disaster either. Yeah, Chinese taxis often don't speak English, and it's never a good idea to follow touts (even someone who helped you shopping or met on wechat). Otherwise, I'm very surprised one of Steven's girls stayed only 20 minutes if you paid for an hour. He tends to hold them accountable. On the other hand, you did have a good time with several of the girls you connected with. You might have a better time next time if you visit some saunas where you can pick the girl.

Shanghai is not Bangkok, and you'll never get the same price / quality ratio. However, that's why Bangkok is truly unique. Still, Shanghai's got a great range of restaurants, the taxis tend to be honest, and the metro is clean and extensive.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1760784]I have read in a number of posts about rip offs that resulted in situations where there were physical danger. The thugs had demanded the marks to sign for credit card charges, and as soon as the victims escaped to safety, they called the credit card companies to stop payments. Did that work? Do credit card companies actually cancel those transactions. ?

I guess the lessons may be:

1. do not fall for baits that result in you being robbed in a place where you cannot get help.

2. if canceling the credit card transaction is always possible, just pay whatever they asked for by credit card so you get out of physical danger, and then call the credit card companies to notify them. Don't even spend that much time to talk down the amount (Maybe haggle just a little bit to appear that they will get that money). You want to get out of there, fast.

But I am not sure how easy it is to try to stop payment, or the thugs will not be asking you to sign for a bill with credit card. They will take all your cash and valuables.

I also read when police was notified of the robbery, they helped to recover the cash taken in several occasions. Is that generally true, or those were not so frequent exceptions?[/QUOTE]Yes, for sure canceling CC transactions works, as long as you are using a USA (Or other western card?) card. Even with the signature, contracts signed under duress are illegal. Simple enough.

As far as police getting involved in financial matters, my experience suggests otherwise. Just think about how busy they would be if they got involved in financial disputes.

Taz.

Here is what I understood from dealing with the bank. Since this was a chip and PIN card, this transaction was one that required a PIN. The dude with the gun demand that he be given the PIN. Whenever a transaction is completed with a correct PIN, the transaction is complete and can not be cancelled so the thugs got their money. This does not mean that I lost money as the bank will credit ones account for the loss. I guess this is a minor point as I did not take a loss but the transaction was complete.

As for police. We are there on a work visa and did not want to risk getting that yanked for whatever reason. I'm sure although I don't know that the police are just as crooked as the thiefs and would have wanted something too.

Hope this info helps.

H1.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1760861]Yes, for sure canceling CC transactions works, as long as you are using a USA (Or other western card?) card. Even with the signature, contracts signed under duress are illegal. Simple enough.

As far as police getting involved in financial matters, my experience suggests otherwise. Just think about how busy they would be if they got involved in financial disputes.

Taz.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1760861]Yes, for sure canceling CC transactions works, as long as you are using a USA (Or other western card?) card. Even with the signature, contracts signed under duress are illegal. Simple enough.

As far as police getting involved in financial matters, my experience suggests otherwise. Just think about how busy they would be if they got involved in financial disputes.

Taz.[/QUOTE]Important thing here is to use a foreign CC mentioned by Taz. The whole process might take weeks but you do eventually get your money back. However if you use a card issued by a Chinese bank, you will NOT be able to recover your money.

Here's another suggestion, do not carry too many (or any) CC's with you. AMEX, don't leave home without it, is only valid for the US. It is just about as useful as tits on bulls outside of the hotel. Cash is still king here in CN.

Anyone knows what the going rate is for Ci or Vi pills here in Shanghai? Last time I had to make a purchase here it was just under 1,000 rmb for a box of 10. But that was almost 2 years ago.

Anyone bought some recently around Jing'an area?

Like I said, the bank credited my account but were not able to cancel the charge. Same net result to me = I PAY ZERO. The real interesting part to this is there was about 3,000 rmb cash and they didn't want that. I thought that was a little strange.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1761070]Important thing here is to use a foreign CC mentioned by Taz. The whole process might take weeks but you do eventually get your money back. However if you use a card issued by a Chinese bank, you will NOT be able to recover your money.

Here's another suggestion, do not carry too many (or any) CC's with you. AMEX, don't leave home without it, is only valid for the US. It is just about as useful as tits on bulls outside of the hotel. Cash is still king here in CN.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kib123;1754219]Hilarious and informative at the same time! I am heading to Shanghai in a few and this kind of experience helps put things into perspective. Sounds familiar if you are a US mongerer.[/QUOTE]I had a near escape myself a couple years ago.

Without getting into details, I basically just kept it a cool, got my shit together and strut myself confidently right out the front door and kept walking until I was a good distance away. It was weird actually, it was like I was the ghost, the LE just didn't seem the least bit interested in me.

Got a free session out of it. Which I felt bad about but I wasn't about to go back there anytime soon and push my luck.

Billy

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1761070]Important thing here is to use a foreign CC mentioned by Taz. The whole process might take weeks but you do eventually get your money back. However if you use a card issued by a Chinese bank, you will NOT be able to recover your money.

Here's another suggestion, do not carry too many (or any) CC's with you. AMEX, don't leave home without it, is only valid for the US. It is just about as useful as tits on bulls outside of the hotel. Cash is still king here in CN.[/QUOTE]I agree that AMEX is not useful in China except for a handful of high-end and legit establishments that actually know what a Centurion means.
(No, I don't have a Centurion or any Black level card)
But VISA is pretty much accepted everywhere in Shanghai where plastic is accepted.

Yes, there are a few saunas that have a cash only rule, like Heting Elite or Sacrosa.

But generally I had no problems using my US bank issued VISA in Shanghai.

(At least I haven't seen an ATM in Shanghai that doesn't take it).

I can't say the same for my Citi Master Card though.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1761073]Anyone knows what the going rate is for Ci or Vi pills here in Shanghai? Last time I had to make a purchase here it was just under 1,000 rmb for a box of 10. But that was almost 2 years ago.

Anyone bought some recently around Jing'an area?[/QUOTE]I have a good shop at the corner of Chang Shou Lu and Wan Han Du Lu, 8 Cialis RMB 900, pretty sure no fakes, and for foreigners no prescription required Search on Google or drop me a private message here.

Steven

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1761070]Important thing here is to use a foreign CC mentioned by Taz. The whole process might take weeks but you do eventually get your money back. However if you use a card issued by a Chinese bank, you will NOT be able to recover your money.

Here's another suggestion, do not carry too many (or any) CC's with you. AMEX, don't leave home without it, is only valid for the US. It is just about as useful as tits on bulls outside of the hotel. Cash is still king here in CN.[/QUOTE]Really? I've used Amex all over Asia, including China. For sure it's not as widely accepted as visa / mc. But I can remember saving the day in KL (yes, I know it's not China) at a KTV, after multiple visa / mc were declined.

The price you referred to would likely be for Vi. Yes, I still see the same price in ads on Pharmacy window as I walk by to work, I don't think that is a special because I saw the same ad there for at least 3 to 4 months.

I do not know if you need a prescription to buy them in China.

I am surprised that Chinese drug companies had not flooded the market with cheap generic Vi (like Chinese companies frequently do for many other things) , because the drug is off patent. India and Thailand are doing big business with their generic version of the medication.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1761340]The price you referred to would likely be for Vi. Yes, I still see the same price in ads on Pharmacy window as I walk by to work, I don't think that is a special because I saw the same ad there for at least 3 to 4 months.

I do not know if you need a prescription to buy them in China.

I am surprised that Chinese drug companies had not flooded the market with cheap generic Vi (like Chinese companies frequently do for many other things) , because the drug is off patent. India and Thailand are doing big business with their generic version of the medication.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that technically you do need one (prescription), but many pharmacies simply don't care.

Kind of like the registration on cold & cough medicine, some pharmacies are pretty annoying about it (like actually demanding your passport).

While others just fill out some fake ID numbers when making a sale to foreigners.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1761340]The price you referred to would likely be for Vi. Yes, I still see the same price in ads on Pharmacy window as I walk by to work, I don't think that is a special because I saw the same ad there for at least 3 to 4 months.

I do not know if you need a prescription to buy them in China.

I am surprised that Chinese drug companies had not flooded the market with cheap generic Vi (like Chinese companies frequently do for many other things) , because the drug is off patent. India and Thailand are doing big business with their generic version of the medication.[/QUOTE]You do need prescription to buy any drugs in drugstore. You do need a prescription to buy drug in hospital.

Jb.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1761082]Like I said, the bank credited my account but were not able to cancel the charge. Same net result to me = I PAY ZERO. The real interesting part to this is there was about 3,000 rmb cash and they didn't want that. I thought that was a little strange.[/QUOTE]This may be against my better judgement, but like I said, I somehow enjoyed reading this ridiculous thread. And have now simply noticed too many holes to keep to myself.

I was originally going to let the gun go without comment because while I didn't believe it, it was possible. The reason I challenge it is the China law is very, VERY, clear on this point. Wielding a weapon in a crime is a capital offense. Think about it, given the population, I'd argue that Shanghai and Beijing are two of the safest cities in the world. Per capita, violent crimes are almost non-existent. And that's how they do it. You get caught using a weapon in a crime, whether you even hurt someone or not. The penalty is death. And yes, I can speak to this as absolute fact.

Now HB1 is talking about his credit card and his account, however according to the original account, it was his friend's card. Then there's being here on a work visa. Not a business visa (ok, getting picky now, but when there's one cockroach, there's always more. Especially a world traveler not knowing the difference). And while I'm being picky, 1000 RMB seems to have appeared.

I realize I've just opened myself to a shit storm, but I just can't help myself.

Cheers,

Taz.

Tazzman is right to be a sceptic. Let's not comment further on this probable bogus report of being scammed and not rise to the bait next time. He scammed us. Just use the ignore button. The use of several thugs to intimidate is enough to scare any newbie. The flashing of a firearm would not be necessary.

WOW! Incredible! Based on the conclusions here on this board I am not contributing any more. I feel I went above and beyond times two. Yes there are intended discrepencies (mine vs his). I guess all I have to ask is why would anyone try to scam this board. I mean you all are truly a bunch of assholes and I could care less now where you are from but honestly if I am sitting across from you in a business deal. GOOD LUCK. What a bunch of arrogant bastards! First beer on me!

H1.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1761441]Tazzman is right to be a sceptic. Let's not comment further on this probable bogus report of being scammed and not rise to the bait next time. He scammed us. Just use the ignore button. The use of several thugs to intimidate is enough to scare any newbie. The flashing of a firearm would not be necessary.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1761596]WOW! Incredible! Based on the conclusions here on this board I am not contributing any more. I feel I went above and beyond times two. Yes there are intended discrepencies (mine vs his). I guess all I have to ask is why would anyone try to scam this board. I mean you all are truly a bunch of assholes and I could care less now where you are from but honestly if I am sitting across from you in a business deal. GOOD LUCK. What a bunch of arrogant bastards! First beer on me!

H1.[/QUOTE]Bye bye!

Lev.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1761377]You do need prescription to buy any drugs in drugstore. You do need a prescription to buy drug in hospital.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Sorry, typo.

You do not need prescription to buy any drugs in drugstore.

Jb.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1761378]This may be against my better judgement, but like I said, I somehow enjoyed reading this ridiculous thread. And have now simply noticed too many holes to keep to myself.

I was originally going to let the gun go without comment because while I didn't believe it, it was possible. The reason I challenge it is the China law is very, VERY, clear on this point. Wielding a weapon in a crime is a capital offense. Think about it, given the population, I'd argue that Shanghai and Beijing are two of the safest cities in the world. Per capita, violent crimes are almost non-existent. And that's how they do it. You get caught using a weapon in a crime, whether you even hurt someone or not. The penalty is death. And yes, I can speak to this as absolute fact.

Now HB1 is talking about his credit card and his account, however according to the original account, it was his friend's card. Then there's being here on a work visa. Not a business visa (ok, getting picky now, but when there's one cockroach, there's always more. Especially a world traveler not knowing the difference). And while I'm being picky, 1000 RMB seems to have appeared.

I realize I've just opened myself to a shit storm, but I just can't help myself.

Cheers,

Taz.[/QUOTE]I had the same thought regarding the gun, but still, it could have been a toy gun, and in the heat of the moment, HB1 probably wouldn't have been able to distinguish. I wouldn't be able to. Still, from all what I have read here from him I assume HB1 has an anger problem, maybe this is also the reason why the SNL girl left after 20 minutes.

In general, I think he should go and monger in other places, he simply cannot deal with a place like Shanghai.

Lev.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1761377]You do need prescription to buy any drugs in drugstore. You do need a prescription to buy drug in hospital.

Jb.[/QUOTE]I am nearly sure that this is not the actual regulation. From my experience the situation is a little bit "ridiculous" currently.

I recommended this drugstore to many guys already who wanted to buy Cialis or Viagra in Shanghai, and there has been a guy there (obviously a Chinese or Chinese looking) who was very pissed off, because they asked him for a prescription (and he comment that it was also written there. In Chinese. That for stuff like Viagra and Cialis you need a prescription). And always some guys told me they send someone to a drug store and failed to buy it (have been asked for prescription too).

On the other side there was never a problem for me, they even kidding about me already, because I buy so often (and each time more than one box. Not because my hard life, I often also bring for customer and / or friends). But that seems also a "regional regulation", because customers from Beijing told me, there is no request for any prescription in any drug store. Different to their experience in Shanghai.

So I am nearly sure, that actual officially you need a prescription for that kind of drugs here in Shanghai, but they don't care if they are faced to foreign customers, but ask for that, if the customers are Chinese. Otherwise I have no idea why seems no foreigner fail, but Chinese guys gave me feedback they have been asked for.

I would think they know a foreigner can not be there to check, if they follow the "prescription-rule, so they not need to care about.

Have fun.

Don't go away mad hb1. Just go away.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1761596]WOW! Incredible! Based on the conclusions here on this board I am not contributing any more. I feel I went above and beyond times two. Yes there are intended discrepencies (mine vs his). I guess all I have to ask is why would anyone try to scam this board. I mean you all are truly a bunch of assholes and I could care less now where you are from but honestly if I am sitting across from you in a business deal. GOOD LUCK. What a bunch of arrogant bastards! First beer on me!

H1.[/QUOTE]Cheers,

Taz.

Hi there,

I have been mostly a passive user here and also a bit shy to actually go out and experience the mongering for many reasons but recently I got horny to often and went to explore. Some things I would like to share and some questions I'd like to ask.

In Shanghai I went to spring massage on Changning Lu / Loushanguan Lu, another one 200 m west from there. It was actually a bit boring and not worth the $$ as the girls weren't that hot and a bit mechanic.

I heard good things about Buddha and went there 3 weeks ago. Got number 5. Not the youngest anymore (maybe around 30) and not the skinniest but very attractive face and very confident expression. At first I was like *oh crap*, but then I though she looks like she knows what she is doing. Her BBBJ was in fact fantastic and even though I we couldn't communicate due to my crappy Chinese skills she was making me feel very welcome and showed a lot of interest. Price was 268.

Now, what made me a bit uncomfortable lying there getting my lollipop treated well was the entire situation about the police. Everywhere I read people say its windy. During that week even some oil massage places were closed and I saw some police cars in front of a massage place on south Shaanxi lu / Changning lu (not far from Buddha). While in the massage places and in Buddha, the girl always put a little wooden stick into a small hole at the bottom of the door to jam it. That made me feel a bit more comfortable but what would happen if there is a raid? Would the cops crack in the door? Also I read on Stevens site that if there's no condom, its technically not a crime they can charge on you. In Buddha its all BBBJ so should I feel okay? Maybe I am just a bit paranoid but I am actually quite scared to end up in prison, pay a fine and being deported while losing the job and being the topic in your entire company. Actually that day I went to Buddha, once we were finished somebody was talking loudly through the door and the girl was listening but being very quiet with her ears up.

Is there maybe a certain weekday or hour in which the possibility of a raid would be lower? LOL. Kind of a stupid question.

I then went on a trip to HK and prostitution being generally legal there I had a great time with several girls, especially not having to think of a possible cop jumping inside the room.

Now back in SH, getting horny again and I must say, this mongering gets me quite addicted but I don't want to risk anything or feel uncomfortable during the time I should enjoy. I tried girls from Judy's a few months ago and it was fine but taking them home doesn't work either, since I am not alone in my apartment all the time. I also had Cecilia over some times (small Cambodian girl from Vietnam, which I actually directed to Steven) but I can't afford to spend too much and I think she's not in SH anymore.

Anyways. Any thoughts? Or should I get a membership for better communication though PM. I mean, would I have access to some options and info that make me feel less paranoid?

Thanks,

F

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1761798]I am nearly sure that this is not the actual regulation. From my experience the situation is a little bit "ridiculous" currently.

I recommended this drugstore to many guys already who wanted to buy Cialis or Viagra in Shanghai, and there has been a guy there (obviously a Chinese or Chinese looking) who was very pissed off, because they asked him for a prescription (and he comment that it was also written there. In Chinese. That for stuff like Viagra and Cialis you need a prescription). And always some guys told me they send someone to a drug store and failed to buy it (have been asked for prescription too).

On the other side there was never a problem for me, they even kidding about me already, because I buy so often (and each time more than one box. Not because my hard life, I often also bring for customer and / or friends). But that seems also a "regional regulation", because customers from Beijing told me, there is no request for any prescription in any drug store. Different to their experience in Shanghai.

So I am nearly sure, that actual officially you need a prescription for that kind of drugs here in Shanghai, but they don't care if they are faced to foreign customers, but ask for that, if the customers are Chinese. Otherwise I have no idea why seems no foreigner fail, but Chinese guys gave me feedback they have been asked for.

I would think they know a foreigner can not be there to check, if they follow the "prescription-rule, so they not need to care about.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that probably explains it.

[QUOTE=Foxes;1761850]Hi there,

Now, what made me a bit uncomfortable lying there getting my lollipop treated well was the entire situation about the police. Everywhere I read people say its windy. During that week even some oil massage places were closed and I saw some police cars in front of a massage place on south Shaanxi lu / Changning lu (not far from Buddha). While in the massage places and in Buddha, the girl always put a little wooden stick into a small hole at the bottom of the door to jam it. That made me feel a bit more comfortable but what would happen if there is a raid? Would the cops crack in the door? Also I read on Stevens site that if there's no condom, its technically not a crime they can charge on you. In Buddha its all BBBJ so should I feel okay? Maybe I am just a bit paranoid but I am actually quite scared to end up in prison, pay a fine and being deported while losing the job and being the topic in your entire company. Actually that day I went to Buddha, once we were finished somebody was talking loudly through the door and the girl was listening but being very quiet with her ears up.

Is there maybe a certain weekday or hour in which the possibility of a raid would be lower? LOL. Kind of a stupid question.

Anyways. Any thoughts? Or should I get a membership for better communication though PM. I mean, would I have access to some options and info that make me feel less paranoid?

Thanks,

F[/QUOTE]Several questions, so here the answers:

- yes, for sure the police will crack a locked door. But the girl hope the time they need for that will give her the chance to destroy every potential evidence.

- there is a misunderstanding. I did not write there is no crime without condom, it only means there is no evidence for a crime if none of the involved people admit to that.

- yes, if you join a illegal activity in an illegal massage parlor, you always risk to end up with all the consequences for that.

- if the girl listen to what is going on outside, than I would guess she is afraid about a raid, like everyone who work in that kind of business.

- no, unfortunately there is no day or time where the risk for a police raid is lower or higher, at least we did not found any hint for that.

But if the raid risk is an issue for you, than I would say it's not the most clever decision to go to massage parlors. I would prefer to spend a little bit more in a big sauna. They simply make 50 times more money a month, so they also can pay 50 times more "hong bao" to the local police station to ensure, that they will get informed about a upcoming raid. And they are also mostly much more "hard" to raid. They have hidden doors, blocked elevators and so on, so in a raid the police need much more time till they finally show up in your massage room. That will give you much more time to leave or destroy all potential evidence.

So from my view, visit a massage is cheaper, but also higher the risk for getting police trouble.

Here to shout out a big thank you to Steven. Followed his directions to Changshou Lu / Wanhangdu Lu, found the pharmacy without much problem. Big poster on the glass door as you enter with prices etc. Walked in, pointed to the poster, paid the man, walked out with a box of blue pills. Not a single word exchanged. No prescription asked.

Couple of guys who sent PM's with suggestions, thanks!

AZ.

Hey Foxes. I recently had a very bad experience in SCAMHAI. I would strongly urge you to take your business elsewhere. The problem in SCAMHAI is that you have to worry about the police and about the massage place itself. If that's not enough and you are unfortunate enough to contact a lady off Shanghai Nighlife Guide, she will SHORT YOU on time. The owner is non-responsive so I guess the best you could do is roll the dice with backpage. Though not optimal, at least you arent getting ripped a new AHOLE.

Do a google search on Shanghai SCAMS do avoid any issues. Even though I RTFF, I still learned the hard way.

See you in September!

H1.

[QUOTE=Foxes;1761850]Hi there,

I have been mostly a passive user here and also a bit shy to actually go out and experience the mongering for many reasons but recently I got horny to often and went to explore. Some things I would like to share and some questions I'd like to ask.

In Shanghai I went to spring massage on Changning Lu / Loushanguan Lu, another one 200 m west from there. It was actually a bit boring and not worth the $$ as the girls weren't that hot and a bit mechanic.

I heard good things about Buddha and went there 3 weeks ago. Got number 5. Not the youngest anymore (maybe around 30) and not the skinniest but very attractive face and very confident expression. At first I was like *oh crap*, but then I though she looks like she knows what she is doing. Her BBBJ was in fact fantastic and even though I we couldn't communicate due to my crappy Chinese skills she was making me feel very welcome and showed a lot of interest. Price was 268.

Now, what made me a bit uncomfortable lying there getting my lollipop treated well was the entire situation about the police. Everywhere I read people say its windy. During that week even some oil massage places were closed and I saw some police cars in front of a massage place on south Shaanxi lu / Changning lu (not far from Buddha). While in the massage places and in Buddha, the girl always put a little wooden stick into a small hole at the bottom of the door to jam it. That made me feel a bit more comfortable but what would happen if there is a raid? Would the cops crack in the door? Also I read on Stevens site that if there's no condom, its technically not a crime they can charge on you. In Buddha its all BBBJ so should I feel okay? Maybe I am just a bit paranoid but I am actually quite scared to end up in prison, pay a fine and being deported while losing the job and being the topic in your entire company. Actually that day I went to Buddha, once we were finished somebody was talking loudly through the door and the girl was listening but being very quiet with her ears up.

Is there maybe a certain weekday or hour in which the possibility of a raid would be lower? LOL. Kind of a stupid question.

I then went on a trip to HK and prostitution being generally legal there I had a great time with several girls, especially not having to think of a possible cop jumping inside the room.

Now back in SH, getting horny again and I must say, this mongering gets me quite addicted but I don't want to risk anything or feel uncomfortable during the time I should enjoy. I tried girls from Judy's a few months ago and it was fine but taking them home doesn't work either, since I am not alone in my apartment all the time. I also had Cecilia over some times (small Cambodian girl from Vietnam, which I actually directed to Steven) but I can't afford to spend too much and I think she's not in SH anymore.

Anyways. Any thoughts? Or should I get a membership for better communication though PM. I mean, would I have access to some options and info that make me feel less paranoid?

Thanks,

F[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1762096]Hey Foxes. I recently had a very bad experience in SCAMHAI. I would strongly urge you to take your business elsewhere. The problem in SCAMHAI is that you have to worry about the police and about the massage place itself. If that's not enough and you are unfortunate enough to contact a lady off Shanghai Nighlife Guide, she will SHORT YOU on time. The owner is non-responsive so I guess the best you could do is roll the dice with backpage. Though not optimal, at least you arent getting ripped a new AHOLE.

Do a google search on Shanghai SCAMS do avoid any issues. Even though I RTFF, I still learned the hard way.

See you in September!

H1.[/QUOTE]Hobbies,

I've read your recent posts and in my opinion you deserved it. And no, I definitely won't see you in September.

Thanks Steven, seems I'll have to give the saunas a try.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1762096]Hey Foxes. I recently had a very bad experience in SCAMHAI. I would strongly urge you to take your business elsewhere. The problem in SCAMHAI is that you have to worry about the police and about the massage place itself. If that's not enough and you are unfortunate enough to contact a lady off Shanghai Nighlife Guide, she will SHORT YOU on time. The owner is non-responsive so I guess the best you could do is roll the dice with backpage. Though not optimal, at least you arent getting ripped a new AHOLE.

Do a google search on Shanghai SCAMS do avoid any issues. Even though I RTFF, I still learned the hard way.

See you in September!

H1.[/QUOTE]Well, what you are saying is pretty much true everywhere in China, not just Shanghai.

Because last time I checked, prostitution is still illegal in ALL of China. (excluding Hong Kong & Macau SAR, which got to keep most of their own laws).

Regardless of any city you go in mainland China, you will always be worried about the police busting in the door the next minute whether you are mongering or not.

That's why it's still called a police state.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1762096]Hey Foxes. I recently had a very bad experience in SCAMHAI. I would strongly urge you to take your business elsewhere. The problem in SCAMHAI is that you have to worry about the police and about the massage place itself. If that's not enough and you are unfortunate enough to contact a lady off Shanghai Nighlife Guide, she will SHORT YOU on time. The owner is non-responsive so I guess the best you could do is roll the dice with backpage. Though not optimal, at least you arent getting ripped a new AHOLE.

Do a google search on Shanghai SCAMS do avoid any issues. Even though I RTFF, I still learned the hard way.

See you in September!

H1.[/QUOTE]Man,

Walk your talk and shut up.

Really wonder how old you are.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1762096]Hey Foxes. I recently had a very bad experience in SCAMHAI. I would strongly urge you to take your business elsewhere. The problem in SCAMHAI is that you have to worry about the police and about the massage place itself. If that's not enough and you are unfortunate enough to contact a lady off Shanghai Nighlife Guide, she will SHORT YOU on time. The owner is non-responsive so I guess the best you could do is roll the dice with backpage. Though not optimal, at least you arent getting ripped a new AHOLE.

Do a google search on Shanghai SCAMS do avoid any issues. Even though I RTFF, I still learned the hard way.

See you in September!

H1.[/QUOTE]H1,

Please crawl back under whatever rock you came out from. You can't even keep your word (never again contributing to this forum). Someone that doesn't even know taxi drivers in China don't speak English has no business giving any advice on anything related to anywhere in China.

[QUOTE=Foxes;1761850]Hi there,

I have been mostly a passive user here and also a bit shy to actually go out and experience the mongering for many reasons but recently I got horny to often and went to explore. Some things I would like to share and some questions I'd like to ask.

In Shanghai I went to spring massage on Changning Lu / Loushanguan Lu, another one 200 m west from there. It was actually a bit boring and not worth the $$ as the girls weren't that hot and a bit mechanic.

I heard good things about Buddha and went there 3 weeks ago. Got number 5. Not the youngest anymore (maybe around 30) and not the skinniest but very attractive face and very confident expression. At first I was like *oh crap*, but then I though she looks like she knows what she is doing. Her BBBJ was in fact fantastic and even though I we couldn't communicate due to my crappy Chinese skills she was making me feel very welcome and showed a lot of interest. Price was 268.

Now, what made me a bit uncomfortable lying there getting my lollipop treated well was the entire situation about the police. Everywhere I read people say its windy. During that week even some oil massage places were closed and I saw some police cars in front of a massage place on south Shaanxi lu / Changning lu (not far from Buddha). While in the massage places and in Buddha, the girl always put a little wooden stick into a small hole at the bottom of the door to jam it. That made me feel a bit more comfortable but what would happen if there is a raid? Would the cops crack in the door? Also I read on Stevens site that if there's no condom, its technically not a crime they can charge on you. In Buddha its all BBBJ so should I feel okay? Maybe I am just a bit paranoid but I am actually quite scared to end up in prison, pay a fine and being deported while losing the job and being the topic in your entire company. Actually that day I went to Buddha, once we were finished somebody was talking loudly through the door and the girl was listening but being very quiet with her ears up.

Is there maybe a certain weekday or hour in which the possibility of a raid would be lower? LOL. Kind of a stupid question.

I then went on a trip to HK and prostitution being generally legal there I had a great time with several girls, especially not having to think of a possible cop jumping inside the room.

Now back in SH, getting horny again and I must say, this mongering gets me quite addicted but I don't want to risk anything or feel uncomfortable during the time I should enjoy. I tried girls from Judy's a few months ago and it was fine but taking them home doesn't work either, since I am not alone in my apartment all the time. I also had Cecilia over some times (small Cambodian girl from Vietnam, which I actually directed to Steven) but I can't afford to spend too much and I think she's not in SH anymore.

Anyways. Any thoughts? Or should I get a membership for better communication though PM. I mean, would I have access to some options and info that make me feel less paranoid?

Thanks,

F[/QUOTE]I agree with Steven's advice regarding saunas being safer than MP's. I was in a sauna when the call came in to shutdown as the LE would be coming. From the time of the call until I actually left had to be more than 30 minutes (my girl finished the session, just in a bit of a rush). When I did leave, there was still no signs whatsoever of LE, and as this place was near my home, I hung around (or should I say walked home slowly) and still didn't see anything other than all the girls leaving.

For sure, if you want specific advice, pay the small membership fee for pm's.

Cheers,

Taz.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1762096] ...unfortunate enough to contact a lady off Shanghai Nighlife Guide, she will SHORT YOU on time. The owner is non-responsive...
H1.[/QUOTE]Boo F' n Hoo.

Everyone here feels very bad for your losing a little time. You should go to the police and report this theft.

Has anyone been to the 1808 Beijing Rd West Massage place? I'm wondering if BBBJ has been added to the menu. Pm please.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1762319]I agree with Steven's advice regarding saunas being safer than MP's. I was in a sauna when the call came in to shutdown as the LE would be coming. From the time of the call until I actually left had to be more than 30 minutes (my girl finished the session, just in a bit of a rush). When I did leave, there was still no signs whatsoever of LE, and as this place was near my home, I hung around (or should I say walked home slowly) and still didn't see anything other than all the girls leaving.[/QUOTE]So many saunas have been raided and closed the past years. Nothing is safe.

Sauna have high protection because of the money they generate but they become targets for the same reason.

While MPs are smaller and generate less cash, they are less exposed too because 90% of the session is clothed, no condoms or fancy toys / gels are involved, its really difficult to catch someone in the act since you just have to put the trousers back in one simple move. They also have warning systems (lights) in case of ongoing raid and some are better configured than others. Just like some have a good level of protection and its not uncommon during difficult times to suddenly have the lights close, main door closed and finish your session in the dark and go out when you finish through a back door. Because they got a warning call (sometimes they even evacuate you directly from the back door without finishing the session if they believe its a serious issue).

While a good level of protection is great against local police, it doesn't work so well when its clothed cops from another province which haven't been paid. Or sometimes even cops from another district of the same city.

That's what shuts a place most of the time. Because undercover cops are already inside, all the warning lights, secret doors, etc. Will do you no good. And when in a sauna with condoms and all sorts of fancy things, or lets say in the shower zone when the raid happens good luck defending your case.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1762916]So many saunas have been raided and closed the past years. Nothing is safe.

Sauna have high protection because of the money they generate but they become targets for the same reason.

While MPs are smaller and generate less cash, they are less exposed too because 90% of the session is clothed, no condoms or fancy toys / gels are involved, its really difficult to catch someone in the act since you just have to put the trousers back in one simple move. They also have warning systems (lights) in case of ongoing raid and some are better configured than others. Just like some have a good level of protection and its not uncommon during difficult times to suddenly have the lights close, main door closed and finish your session in the dark and go out when you finish through a back door. Because they got a warning call (sometimes they even evacuate you directly from the back door without finishing the session if they believe its a serious issue).

While a good level of protection is great against local police, it doesn't work so well when its clothed cops from another province which haven't been paid. Or sometimes even cops from another district of the same city.

That's what shuts a place most of the time. Because undercover cops are already inside, all the warning lights, secret doors, etc. Will do you no good. And when in a sauna with condoms and all sorts of fancy things, or lets say in the shower zone when the raid happens good luck defending your case.[/QUOTE]Perhaps if the MP has been well established, but for example. For a very short time there were 5 MP's in a one block section of hongsongdong lu. They didn't last longer than a month.

Bottom line is there are risks associated with this hobby so it is all about mitigating them.

Taz.

Hi all,

Seems like this is not a good time to be mongering in SH due to the strong winds. Does anyone know (Steven?) if the winds are particularly strong in one area? Like Ming Hui / Puxi? Perhaps it is less windy in Pudong? Or same?

Thanks!!

Shanghai just keeps getting better!

Before it still had mountains of sweet sweet tender pussy, but the difference now is you can get it and then grab a panini and double espresso next door. Imagine in 5 years from now they'll probably serve you an espresso while you're getting a blowie.

Today was a scheduled PID (personal indulgence day) and since I've not been posting for many many moons, I thought I'd share some thoughts, experiences and location reports with my likeminded long black hair obsessed compadres.

The day started with a breakfast of Element Fresh, salad and eggs served by cute Chinese waitresses in short shorts.

After that it was a brief walk to Dragonfly for a legitimate massage to start the day's proceedings. The top to toe massage is RMB400 for an hour and involves two girls massaging in tandem in buddhistic surrounds replete with trickling water fountains, orchids and candles. Bliss.

After that I wanted to see if the old Prostate Massage was still happening on Kangding Lu and Xikang Lu. As it happened, the location still exists but the 'healthy' prostate massage service had been replaced by what appeared to be a stock-standard Shanghai style HJ massage parlour.

Well, that's what I thought! The first girl that knocked was a knockout - 25 YO with luscious breasts and a skirt just short enough to catch a snatch of her covered snatch. For those who've not been, the service begins with a back massage before the door is locked and the bra removed. Ass and ball play flow before a jelly type product is held between the teeth and rubbed over your back and ass, feeling similar to tongue.

Next the shirt comes down and later the underpants and a HJ follows. I declined to shoot as I had other plans, to which she feigned disappointment but eventually allowed me to wash up and move on.

On the way out I noticed I had probably selected the ugly ducking of the group. There are some seriously hot girls in this place. From about 18-25 and bodies like just like, fuck. Wow. I took down numbers on the way out. Do-go-there-now!

Next was panini and coffee, followed by a Godiva (yep, Shanghai evolved!

Then into the main event - 热28023; sauna (hot coast?) - details available in Shanghai Nightlife Guide for the dude Jimmy who is hooking up the foreign contingent something shocking. Get down on that shit.

This sauna is reminiscent of Changping sauna glory days. Pink lights and sexy chickens all over. Lots.

I chose a slightly chubby 18 YO and had a blast with her. She was right at the perfect time of her cycle with nice wet sticky juices. Serious the cup norgensteins and hair down to her ass. She started off a bit mechanical in the wet room but when the fucking started she was so so sweet. Just a delight, so willing and open.

My plan was to meet a girlfriend in the evening and hopefully nuzzle her sweet ass, but it seems her BF has her locked up for the evening. Oh well, absence makes the heart grow fonder as they say.

Thanks Shanghai! Still the best place in the world!!

Other than Blacklisted just now, and Sam a bit ago, this forum has been pretty devoid of new reviews. So here goes something.

DongGuang: I'm guessing this is the same place Blacklisted just commented on (Jason, the English speaking contact). I was just there this evening (Friday around 5:30).

* Simply not enough girls, on a Friday the total girls available - 14. Now for sure, this place is small, but not that small. At 5:30 I had a lineup of 6, 3 were "S" and 3 were "A" - no "be" at all (however, there was one S that was simply stunning. I probably should have taken her).

* Although I had been communicating with Jason, he was actually not there. A small fact he chose to leave out. About a week ago he had sent me a message with some 'early bird' pricing (before 7 PM). When I got there, the staff told me that was no longer available. I sent two messages to Jason with no reply. Simply not very professional.

Overall, the place is nice enough, but doubt I'll be back unless they get more girls. I don't go into that section of the city very often, and Kang Ding has a MUCH better selection. BTW, I have confirmed that Men's heaven is in fact Kang Ding. Upside there is having an English speaker.

No named place (honestly, I have no idea of the name):

Not far from Laowaijie, off of Wuzhong Lu just west of Middle ring. As I understand this was an operating Sauna until the end of last year (previous owner ran out of power.) and the new owner took over in Feb. So it is quite new inside. For those that have been following my reviews, my past favorite place was Dongsen (they are almost dead now). Well, my English speaking contact from there is now at this place. Prices start at 998 for 90 minutes, large selection, clean place.

Happy to provide additional information on any of the above via PM.

Cheers,

Taz.

Thanks for the report. What do you mean that Men's Heaven is the same as Kang Ding? They're two different locations right? So the same WG's travel between the two places? Or did you mean they have the same owner?

I like KD's quality but the value just isn't there for me (too expensive). Seems like there's a decent number of places that have great selection for about 880/980 which I prefer to go to.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1763333]Other than Blacklisted just now, and Sam a bit ago, this forum has been pretty devoid of new reviews. So here goes something.

DongGuang: I'm guessing this is the same place Blacklisted just commented on (Jason, the English speaking contact). I was just there this evening (Friday around 5:30).

* Simply not enough girls, on a Friday the total girls available - 14. Now for sure, this place is small, but not that small. At 5:30 I had a lineup of 6, 3 were "S" and 3 were "A" - no "be" at all (however, there was one S that was simply stunning. I probably should have taken her).

* Although I had been communicating with Jason, he was actually not there. A small fact he chose to leave out. About a week ago he had sent me a message with some 'early bird' pricing (before 7 PM). When I got there, the staff told me that was no longer available. I sent two messages to Jason with no reply. Simply not very professional..[/QUOTE]

This was as useless as reviews go. What about specifics?

Let me give it to you a little better than TAZ. If any of you go into Shanghai now understand that the winds have changed direction. Last week Puxi and this week Pudong. Best advice. Keep your shorts around your kankles. Peace and Love! H1.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1763333]Other than Blacklisted just now, and Sam a bit ago, this forum has been pretty devoid of new reviews. So here goes something.

DongGuang: I'm guessing this is the same place Blacklisted just commented on (Jason, the English speaking contact). I was just there this evening (Friday around 5:30).

* Simply not enough girls, on a Friday the total girls available - 14. Now for sure, this place is small, but not that small. At 5:30 I had a lineup of 6, 3 were "S" and 3 were "A" - no "be" at all (however, there was one S that was simply stunning. I probably should have taken her).

* Although I had been communicating with Jason, he was actually not there. A small fact he chose to leave out. About a week ago he had sent me a message with some 'early bird' pricing (before 7 PM). When I got there, the staff told me that was no longer available. I sent two messages to Jason with no reply. Simply not very professional.

Overall, the place is nice enough, but doubt I'll be back unless they get more girls. I don't go into that section of the city very often, and Kang Ding has a MUCH better selection. BTW, I have confirmed that Men's heaven is in fact Kang Ding. Upside there is having an English speaker.

No named place (honestly, I have no idea of the name):

Not far from Laowaijie, off of Wuzhong Lu just west of Middle ring. As I understand this was an operating Sauna until the end of last year (previous owner ran out of power.) and the new owner took over in Feb. So it is quite new inside. For those that have been following my reviews, my past favorite place was Dongsen (they are almost dead now). Well, my English speaking contact from there is now at this place. Prices start at 998 for 90 minutes, large selection, clean place.

Happy to provide additional information on any of the above via PM.

Cheers,

Taz.[/QUOTE]

Some members prefer to supply specific information via PM to those that are respectful of China and of the forum. One massage parlor next to a police station was closed after too may details of the service were disclosed. There is nothing wrong with debate or disagreement in this forum. After all. We all are looking to take care of a basic need. If one comes off showing disrespect from the beginning then sympathy and help will not be forthcoming. Some members prefer to keep a low profile and only keep in touch with a few others. Some drop out altogether.

Thanks Beijing. I am a senior member and will never 'Drop Out'. I will let as many other people on this board know my experiences. Whether they are approved my others or not.

Peace and love!

H1.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1763542]Some members prefer to supply specific information via PM to those that are respectful of China and of the forum. One massage parlor next to a police station was closed after too may details of the service were disclosed. There is nothing wrong with debate or disagreement in this forum. After all. We all are looking to take care of a basic need. If one comes off showing disrespect from the beginning then sympathy and help will not be forthcoming. Some members prefer to keep a low profile and only keep in touch with a few others. Some drop out altogether.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1762916]So many saunas have been raided and closed the past years. Nothing is safe.

Sauna have high protection because of the money they generate but they become targets for the same reason.

While MPs are smaller and generate less cash, they are less exposed too because 90% of the session is clothed, no condoms or fancy toys / gels are involved, its really difficult to catch someone in the act since you just have to put the trousers back in one simple move. They also have warning systems (lights) in case of ongoing raid and some are better configured than others. Just like some have a good level of protection and its not uncommon during difficult times to suddenly have the lights close, main door closed and finish your session in the dark and go out when you finish through a back door. Because they got a warning call (sometimes they even evacuate you directly from the back door without finishing the session if they believe its a serious issue).

While a good level of protection is great against local police, it doesn't work so well when its clothed cops from another province which haven't been paid. Or sometimes even cops from another district of the same city.

That's what shuts a place most of the time. Because undercover cops are already inside, all the warning lights, secret doors, etc. Will do you no good. And when in a sauna with condoms and all sorts of fancy things, or lets say in the shower zone when the raid happens good luck defending your case.[/QUOTE]Yes, like the mighty JiYuan group was taken down within a day with the help of cops from other jurisdictions.

They can't possibly pay off EVERYONE.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1763434]Thanks for the report. What do you mean that Men's Heaven is the same as Kang Ding? They're two different locations right? So the same WG's travel between the two places? Or did you mean they have the same owner?

I like KD's quality but the value just isn't there for me (too expensive). Seems like there's a decent number of places that have great selection for about 880/980 which I prefer to go to.[/QUOTE]Same location. Just the English speaking contact calls the place men's heaven. Not sure I understand your price concerns, KD starts at 698 and the M level is below 1 K. But if you have specific places you like, I'd appreciate a pm with details.

Cheers,

Taz.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1763533]This was as useless as reviews go. What about specifics?

Let me give it to you a little better than TAZ. If any of you go into Shanghai now understand that the winds have changed direction. Last week Puxi and this week Pudong. Best advice. Keep your shorts around your kankles. Peace and Love! H1.[/QUOTE]First, I wasn't commenting on the weather, I was reviewing some saunas (and yes, you are correct I've made far more detailed reviews in the past. Perhaps this is a sign of maturity you could also use?

Second, how the "F" do you know what the weather is like in Shanghai? Let me ask you this, have you even found taxi cards (e-versions now) for your next trip here, or is your head still too far up your ass?

Now, here's a promise I will keep (unlike you) - this is my last comment to you. As a final request though, can you please just leave this forum alone? I'll even stop posting reviews / comments for a while so you won't feel compelled to attack me (I'm quite sure this post has far more to do with wanting to attack me, than actually commenting on the weather).

Taz.

Tazman. You are the perfect example of a Shanghia "dude". Why can't you just be nice? I think that Shanghai and all its "trimmings" really fall short in terms of US standards. Good luck with your massage parlor getting raided averey minute. Good luck payinging over 50 USD for a HJ. Good luck with life! China really does suck and I hope the hammer comes down really HARD on you guys because you copy everything and try to rip everyone off. FUCK YOU CHINKS! ASSHOLES!

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1763602]First, I wasn't commenting on the weather, I was reviewing some saunas (and yes, you are correct I've made far more detailed reviews in the past. Perhaps this is a sign of maturity you could also use?

Second, how the "F" do you know what the weather is like in Shanghai? Let me ask you this, have you even found taxi cards (e-versions now) for your next trip here, or is your head still too far up your ass?

Now, here's a promise I will keep (unlike you) - this is my last comment to you. As a final request though, can you please just leave this forum alone? I'll even stop posting reviews / comments for a while so you won't feel compelled to attack me (I'm quite sure this post has far more to do with wanting to attack me, than actually commenting on the weather).

Taz.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1763607]Tazman. You are the perfect example of a Shanghia "dude". Why can't you just be nice? I think that Shanghai and all its "trimmings" really fall short in terms of US standards. Good luck with your massage parlor getting raided averey minute. Good luck payinging over 50 USD for a HJ. Good luck with life! China really does suck and I hope the hammer comes down really HARD on you guys because you copy everything and try to rip everyone off. FUCK YOU CHINKS! ASSHOLES![/QUOTE]So which place is worse? Shanghai or Oslo, where you [BLUE][i]"find the people to be complete assholes. They definitely hate Americans . . . . . . "[/i][/BLUE].

Or maybe Tijuana, of which you write: [BLUE][i]"Fuck you Tijuana and your shitty crooked cops!"[/i][/BLUE].

Just wondering!

Ikks.

P.S. BTW how was Hangzhou?

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1763607]Tazman. You are the perfect example of a Shanghia "dude". Why can't you just be nice? I think that Shanghai and all its "trimmings" really fall short in terms of US standards. Good luck with your massage parlor getting raided averey minute. Good luck payinging over 50 USD for a HJ. Good luck with life! China really does suck and I hope the hammer comes down really HARD on you guys because you copy everything and try to rip everyone off. FUCK YOU CHINKS! ASSHOLES![/QUOTE]Why can't you just run the fuck along and stop bothering this thread like you promised?

Thank you for reminding me that this forum has an ignore list function, and fuck you for being the first person I've ever had to put on it.

Good luck with your fat assed women and your police who love entrapment. Hope that you get lured to a brothel listed on Craigslist and find a cop on the other side of the door, so that your criminal record means you won't ever have to agonize over future visits to China.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1763607]Tazman. You are the perfect example of a Shanghia "dude". Why can't you just be nice? I think that Shanghai and all its "trimmings" really fall short in terms of US standards. Good luck with your massage parlor getting raided averey minute. Good luck payinging over 50 USD for a HJ. Good luck with life! China really does suck and I hope the hammer comes down really HARD on you guys because you copy everything and try to rip everyone off. FUCK YOU CHINKS! ASSHOLES![/QUOTE]Dude, you provided your experiences in depth and they were very helpful to us all, thanks. I'm deeply sorry you endured several negative events while in Shanghai.

However, just to troll the board and belittle Shanghai / China serves no constructive purpose. Until you have new experiences to contribute, please stop the unnecessary venting.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1763607]Tazman. You are the perfect example of a Shanghia "dude". Why can't you just be nice? I think that Shanghai and all its "trimmings" really fall short in terms of US standards. Good luck with your massage parlor getting raided averey minute. Good luck payinging over 50 USD for a HJ. Good luck with life! China really does suck and I hope the hammer comes down really HARD on you guys because you copy everything and try to rip everyone off. FUCK YOU CHINKS! ASSHOLES![/QUOTE]At what point is this a reportable post. And at what point would this member be banned? I have not memorized all the rules but I thought there was something about mutual respect on this forum. . I think We are all starting to cross it due to this guy.

The best way to get rid of a troll is ignore him. He will get bored and leave " don't feed the trolls".

Taz thanks for your report Sam.

Member Hobbiest1 has stepped over the line and has been reported. I urge others to ignore him and report. Racist language, attacking other members is not to be tolerated any longer by this person.

Is there a reason why the government is targeting prostitution? Are they trying to clean up China's image, is it some high ranking communist female agenda to wipe out the industry? Does the Chinese government have a plan for the people who work in the industry? From what I understand, if you have more than 1 child you have to pay for their education from elementary through college. If the goal is to improve the lives of these women to better themselves via education then I can understand, but if it's just a P. R. Campaign then you're just going to drive it underground like in the US.

The only problem I see with your theorem is that you and a couple other board members attacked me first after I provided a legit report. Maybe they and you should be banned but as an American I am open to whatever. BRING IT ON!

Thank you all!

H1.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1763830]Member Hobbiest1 has stepped over the line and has been reported. I urge others to ignore him and report. Racist language, attacking other members is not to be tolerated any longer by this person.[/QUOTE]

Hobbiest1. You get the last word as is your desire. The rest of us will focus on the positive. If you feel the Chinese people are beneath you then stay away. We are here working and trying to have a little fun on the side. You can not spoil it for us. Goodbye.

Hi all,

I rrtff but didn't find the info on provider that offers this service in SH. Wondering if bros can share his recommendation / experience on pm. Thank you so much for the intel in advance!

Cheers,

SL.

[QUOTE=StaidLo;1764053]Hi all,

I rrtff but didn't find the info on provider that offers this service in SH. Wondering if bros can share his recommendation / experience on pm. Thank you so much for the intel in advance!

Cheers,

SL.[/QUOTE]The Backdoor service is not so popular in Shanghai. Seems most Chinese girls think that is "dangerous" for their health and also "dirty", so you will not find so many options for that in this city, but there are still some chances.

There are at least 3 independent escort girls who provide anal:

- Catherine.

- Beverly.

- Cecilia (from Cambodia).

Beside that several saunas have 1 or 2 girls will offer anal (in Chinese: San Tui - 3 ways), you just need to ask the managers there to get the girls profiles.

And because anal is much more popular in Vietnam, you will find a lot of girls who also provide anal in Manhattan and Judy's available for pickup.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=StaidLo;1764053]Hi all,

I rrtff but didn't find the info on provider that offers this service in SH. Wondering if bros can share his recommendation / experience on pm. Thank you so much for the intel in advance!

Cheers,

SL.[/QUOTE]Staid, the reason why is that Chinese girls offering this service are rare. Most of those I had known had retired.

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=StaidLo;1764053]Hi all,

I rrtff but didn't find the info on provider that offers this service in SH. Wondering if bros can share his recommendation / experience on pm. Thank you so much for the intel in advance!

Cheers,

SL.[/QUOTE]Have a look here: [URL]www.raininshanghai.com[/URL]. Some of the girls apparently offer backdoor. I haven't tried, yet, therefore cannot vouch for them.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;1763265]Shanghai just keeps getting better!

Before it still had mountains of sweet sweet tender pussy, but the difference now is you can get it and then grab a panini and double espresso next door. Imagine in 5 years from now they'll probably serve you an espresso while you're getting a blowie.

Today was a scheduled PID (personal indulgence day) and since I've not been posting for many many moons, I thought I'd share some thoughts, experiences and location reports with my likeminded long black hair obsessed compadres.

The day started with a breakfast of Element Fresh, salad and eggs served by cute Chinese waitresses in short shorts.

After that it was a brief walk to Dragonfly for a legitimate massage to start the day's proceedings. The top to toe massage is RMB400 for an hour and involves two girls massaging in tandem in buddhistic surrounds replete with trickling water fountains, orchids and candles. Bliss.

After that I wanted to see if the old Prostate Massage was still happening on Kangding Lu and Xikang Lu. As it happened, the location still exists but the 'healthy' prostate massage service had been replaced by what appeared to be a stock-standard Shanghai style HJ massage parlour.

Well, that's what I thought! The first girl that knocked was a knockout - 25 YO with luscious breasts and a skirt just short enough to catch a snatch of her covered snatch. For those who've not been, the service begins with a back massage before the door is locked and the bra removed. Ass and ball play flow before a jelly type product is held between the teeth and rubbed over your back and ass, feeling similar to tongue.

Next the shirt comes down and later the underpants and a HJ follows. I declined to shoot as I had other plans, to which she feigned disappointment but eventually allowed me to wash up and move on.

On the way out I noticed I had probably selected the ugly ducking of the group. There are some seriously hot girls in this place. From about 18-25 and bodies like just like, fuck. Wow. I took down numbers on the way out. Do-go-there-now!

Next was panini and coffee, followed by a Godiva (yep, Shanghai evolved!

Then into the main event - 热28023; sauna (hot coast?) - details available in Shanghai Nightlife Guide for the dude Jimmy who is hooking up the foreign contingent something shocking. Get down on that shit.

This sauna is reminiscent of Changping sauna glory days. Pink lights and sexy chickens all over. Lots.

I chose a slightly chubby 18 YO and had a blast with her. She was right at the perfect time of her cycle with nice wet sticky juices. Serious the cup norgensteins and hair down to her ass. She started off a bit mechanical in the wet room but when the fucking started she was so so sweet. Just a delight, so willing and open.

My plan was to meet a girlfriend in the evening and hopefully nuzzle her sweet ass, but it seems her BF has her locked up for the evening. Oh well, absence makes the heart grow fonder as they say.

Thanks Shanghai! Still the best place in the world!![/QUOTE]Perhaps this may marks an opportunity for the comeback of the legendary The Shanghai Gang? .

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1764052]Hobbiest1. You get the last word as is your desire. The rest of us will focus on the positive. If you feel the Chinese people are beneath you then stay away. We are here working and trying to have a little fun on the side. You can not spoil it for us. Goodbye.[/QUOTE]Although I tend to agree with you Beijing, but still not taking sides, let's all go back to the subject actual objective of this forum: Where's the pussies at? (IP patent 2001 ver 2 by OAH).

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1764066]Have a look here: [URL]www.raininshanghai.com[/URL]. Some of the girls apparently offer backdoor. I haven't tried, yet, therefore cannot vouch for them.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Good one Lev, perhaps Staid can try them out and report back later?

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=StaidLo;1764053]Hi all,

I rrtff but didn't find the info on provider that offers this service in SH. Wondering if bros can share his recommendation / experience on pm. Thank you so much for the intel in advance!

Cheers,

SL.[/QUOTE]Cathy has it on her service list.

[URL]http://www.cathyshanghai.com/services/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1763830]Member Hobbiest1 has stepped over the line and has been reported. I urge others to ignore him and report. Racist language, attacking other members is not to be tolerated any longer by this person.[/QUOTE]Reported and blocked. First person on my blocked list. Congratulations Hobbiest Fuckstain.

[QUOTE=AceGallant;1764068]Perhaps this may marks an opportunity for the comeback of the legendary The Shanghai Gang? .

Enjoy!

AG.[/QUOTE]Bring it on!

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;1764144]Bring it on![/QUOTE]Sign me up!

[QUOTE=Levitian;1764066]Have a look here: [URL]www.raininshanghai.com[/URL]. Some of the girls apparently offer backdoor. I haven't tried, yet, therefore cannot vouch for them.

Lev.[/QUOTE]I got informed by some of my customers, that several of the girls have "Backdoor" on their profile, but finally not provide the service. Came up with a excuse, that "to big" or something like that, but it seems to be obviously, that the girls never planned to offer that.

But this is not a information from "first hand", I also not tried one of the girls personally.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=TapDisBong;1763917]Is there a reason why the government is targeting prostitution? Are they trying to clean up China's image, is it some high ranking communist female agenda to wipe out the industry? Does the Chinese government have a plan for the people who work in the industry? From what I understand, if you have more than 1 child you have to pay for their education from elementary through college. If the goal is to improve the lives of these women to better themselves via education then I can understand, but if it's just a P. R. Campaign then you're just going to drive it underground like in the US.[/QUOTE]In China prostitution is illegal and the crackdown is linked to two things, first the corruption associated with officials accepting "facilitation" payments from service providers, second the link between prostitution and officials using various levels of prostitution services. Another aspect is restoration of the Party's platform of emancipation of women from prostitution, particularly white slavery. The driving force seems to come from the two corruption aspects rather than the care for women.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;1764144]Bring it on![/QUOTE]I'm all in!

You know what? You all hurt my feelings for calling me a fuck stain. Although that is one of my favorite sayings. The only better one is Fuck Spray but either is pretty strong.

I hope you understand that I am just a regular (well almost. Truth be told I'm fucking rich) guy who had some bad issues in SCAMHAI and I wanted to share with others. Then I got questioned by some posters - "he said it was originally his buddy", etc. Etc. Trust me. Sometimes the facts have to change to protect the innocent.

I still stand by my original assertion that China is really a shithole. If this is racist then so be it. I'm American and not backing down. So I won't post much more on this board. Not even when I travel back to SCAMHAI.

I got it figured out. Here's my take away.

1. Never go to a massage parlor. You could get shaken down by the proprieters or the police. My buddy got robbed for $3,000 USD.

2. Never go to a sauna club. See #1.

3. Don't use any girls from Shanghai Nightlife Guide. They will short you on time and the owner could care less.

4. The only safe thing to do in China is jerk off in my room to a picture of some hot eastern European babe unless the police come into my room.

I truly (almost truly) wish you all the best and I wanted to participate. The elders were threatened so I will keep all info to myself.

I'm going to go spend some time in Cambodia!

Later!

Be nice to one another!

H1.

[QUOTE=Blacklisted;1764144]Bring it on![/QUOTE]Will be in Shanghai in November. Can I have back my honorary visitor status?

OAH.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1763598]Same location. Just the English speaking contact calls the place men's heaven. Not sure I understand your price concerns, KD starts at 698 and the M level is below 1 K. But if you have specific places you like, I'd appreciate a pm with details.

Cheers,

Taz.[/QUOTE]"Kang Ding Sauna" and "Men's Heaven" are not the same place. Both are located in Jing An area, but they are not even nearby and also not connected in any way.

"Men's Heaven" was a name we used in July for a new massage center concept, where the owner asked for our "support" to install a service, that will be especially focused to foreigners.

We liked the idea to set up a place, where you can get all the services "below" a sauna session (regarding to time and rate), but in consideration for people who do not speak Chinese with clear "concept" and a fixed menu like in the sauna clubs.

For many foreigners it's hard to get what they want beside the sauna, because mostly the massage places expect you to bargain about service and price with the girl directly.

So "Men's Heaven" finally opened with a menu starting with a "and job massage", a "blowjob option" and also a "full service option" to select.

Combined with a user friendly not time-, but "shot-limited". And here even with a "fair use policy", that if you need longer time than calculated for one shot session, it will still be no one who would push you to finish fast or pay more.

In combination with western focused details like for example a western styled toilet, but also with a genuine Finnish sauna, foot- and health massage and with an English skilled manager, "Men's Heaven had the potential to get a hot spot for foreign guys who don't have the time or patience for a sauna session, but would still appreciate a place for "release".

Not the only, but one of the most important points in our preparation was to make sure, that the place will be "safe" regarding to the raid risk. And for a shop like that safety simply based on the "relationship" to the one (or more) who is / are responsible for that area in the local police station.

And here unfortunately we found some issues when we did a background check (we also have "contacts" for our "protection" in the Headquarters and we use this way also for to assess the risk for a place we plan to list) and in this background check for "Men's Heaven" we have been informed, that this place is not under any strong "protection".

So to avoid that "Men's Heaven" will get a "men's hell" for the guys who will be caught with trousers down one day, we decided not to recommend that place any more.

It's really a pity, because we are very sure, that there would a great market for a shop like that, especially in the city center, but for foreigners we really not recommend to visit any place without a strong "protection"!

Because different to a Chinese client many foreigner deal with the risk to destroy their "working career", in the case they would be "banned" from China for a longer time.

But because only we used that name, "Men's Heaven" is not connected to any place any more and the manager who worked for "Men's Haven" before now is also working for our page in the sauna section. So I guess that here the same contact person who recommended "Men's Heaven" before will now also talk about "Kang Ding Sauna". Perhaps this is the reason why it has become a "connection" between both places. But for the moment I would say: "Men's Heaven, rest in peace! But we still hope another shop one day will find out, that foreign customers bring them a lot of advantages and will try to realize a concept like that again.

Till this will happen, have fun, where ever you will find your personal heaven.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1764458]You know what? You all hurt my feelings for calling me a fuck stain. Although that is one of my favorite sayings. The only better one is Fuck Spray but either is pretty strong.

I hope you understand that I am just a regular (well almost. Truth be told I'm fucking rich) guy who had some bad issues in SCAMHAI and I wanted to share with others. Then I got questioned by some posters - "he said it was originally his buddy", etc. Etc. Trust me. Sometimes the facts have to change to protect the innocent.

I still stand by my original assertion that China is really a shithole. If this is racist then so be it. I'm American and not backing down. So I won't post much more on this board. Not even when I travel back to SCAMHAI.

I got it figured out. Here's my take away.

1. Never go to a massage parlor. You could get shaken down by the proprieters or the police. My buddy got robbed for $3,000 USD.

2. Never go to a sauna club. See #1.

3. Don't use any girls from Shanghai Nightlife Guide. They will short you on time and the owner could care less.

4. The only safe thing to do in China is jerk off in my room to a picture of some hot eastern European babe unless the police come into my room.

I truly (almost truly) wish you all the best and I wanted to participate. The elders were threatened so I will keep all info to myself.

I'm going to go spend some time in Cambodia!

Later!

Be nice to one another!

H1.[/QUOTE]Oh my goodness.

I wonder more and more if you actually are allowed to surf on pages like this one. Here a more appropriate alternative for you: [URL]www.disney.com[/URL].

Lev.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand;1764513]Will be in Shanghai in November. Can I have back my honorary visitor status?

OAH.[/QUOTE]No no. You have to come though me first, the original Shanghai gang LaoDa! LOL Man! Like to PM me the dates?

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1764568]Oh my goodness.

I wonder more and more if you actually are allowed to surf on pages like this one. Here a more appropriate alternative for you: [URL]www.disney.com[/URL].

Lev.[/QUOTE]LOL!

Enjoy.

AG.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1764517]"Kang Ding Sauna" and "Men's Heaven" are not the same place. Both are located in Jing An area, but they are not even nearby and also not connected in any way.

"Men's Heaven" was a name we used in July for a new massage center concept, where the owner asked for our "support" to install a service, that will be especially focused to foreigners.

We liked the idea to set up a place, where you can get all the services "below" a sauna session (regarding to time and rate), but in consideration for people who do not speak Chinese with clear "concept" and a fixed menu like in the sauna clubs.

For many foreigners it's hard to get what they want beside the sauna, because mostly the massage places expect you to bargain about service and price with the girl directly.

So "Men's Heaven" finally opened with a menu starting with a "and job massage", a "blowjob option" and also a "full service option" to select.

Combined with a user friendly not time-, but "shot-limited". And here even with a "fair use policy", that if you need longer time than calculated for one shot session, it will still be no one who would push you to finish fast or pay more.

In combination with western focused details like for example a western styled toilet, but also with a genuine Finnish sauna, foot- and health massage and with an English skilled manager, "Men's Heaven had the potential to get a hot spot for foreign guys who don't have the time or patience for a sauna session, but would still appreciate a place for "release".

Not the only, but one of the most important points in our preparation was to make sure, that the place will be "safe" regarding to the raid risk. And for a shop like that safety simply based on the "relationship" to the one (or more) who is / are responsible for that area in the local police station.

And here unfortunately we found some issues when we did a background check (we also have "contacts" for our "protection" in the Headquarters and we use this way also for to assess the risk for a place we plan to list) and in this background check for "Men's Heaven" we have been informed, that this place is not under any strong "protection".

So to avoid that "Men's Heaven" will get a "men's hell" for the guys who will be caught with trousers down one day, we decided not to recommend that place any more.

It's really a pity, because we are very sure, that there would a great market for a shop like that, especially in the city center, but for foreigners we really not recommend to visit any place without a strong "protection"!

Because different to a Chinese client many foreigner deal with the risk to destroy their "working career", in the case they would be "banned" from China for a longer time.

But because only we used that name, "Men's Heaven" is not connected to any place any more and the manager who worked for "Men's Haven" before now is also working for our page in the sauna section. So I guess that here the same contact person who recommended "Men's Heaven" before will now also talk about "Kang Ding Sauna". Perhaps this is the reason why it has become a "connection" between both places. But for the moment I would say: "Men's Heaven, rest in peace! But we still hope another shop one day will find out, that foreign customers bring them a lot of advantages and will try to realize a concept like that again.

Till this will happen, have fun, where ever you will find your personal heaven.[/QUOTE]Interesting, I was told directly by the contact originally published on your site for men's heaven that they were in fact the same place, even gave me the address. Given the overlap of pictures - this was while he was still posting pics - or maybe did this change happen a while ago?

[QUOTE=Levitian;1764568]Oh my goodness.

I wonder more and more if you actually are allowed to surf on pages like this one. Here a more appropriate alternative for you: [URL]www.disney.com[/URL].

Lev.[/QUOTE]Since I don't want to break my promise. Cheers to you Lev!

I agree with HB1 his best option is to jerk himself off, but not only in SCAMHAI, but also in his palatial basement (he told you all he is f--king rich). But he probably will find something wrong with his right hand to complain about. He should not use a picture of a hot east European girl to get himself off. He should use the picture of Donald Trump (an inside joke for us Americans).

The latest version of the misadventure of his buddy is this: "he was robbed in a massage parlor. " In his original post, it was a beer and coffee bar. But he may say again that was an intended discrepancy, like what [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] Wee Herman said when he got up after falling off his bike onto his face: " I meant to do that!

HB1 told you guys after calling you all A-holes, he wished you were sitting across from him at a business table, intimating that he would have skinned you alive. For a tough, f--king rich business shark, he sure got his feelings hurt easily. I guess we are not stranding too far from the intended topic of the forum if we are talking pussy.

Good to see things are still lively around here.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1764777]I guess we are not stranding too far from the intended topic of the forum if we are talking pussy.[/QUOTE]OMG LOL! Taz.

Definitely a problem with someone who sees fit to announce on this board that he is rich.

Have recently had several of Shanghai Guide's girls come over, and all delivered as promised. Not cheap but great experiences.

Is it an infringement to post the PM from HB1 on the board? Maybe I would be too frightened to do so even if that was allowed. I am shaking in my boots from his threats, NOT.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1765110]Is it an infringement to post the PM from HB1 on the board? Maybe I would be too frightened to do so even if that was allowed. I am shaking in my boots from his threats, NOT.[/QUOTE]To any members here, please report any threats made by anyone on the board. If justified the member making the threat will be banned immediately.

Enjoy!

AG.

Been a while since I last posted. What's the weather currently like for the hobby? Recently moved to Baoshan district, anything interesting in that area? There's a few ominous looking foot massage places but I didn't go in. Felt a bit uneasy.

A couple of weeks back I finally made my way to manhattan, it was. Interesting.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1765267]Been a while since I last posted. What's the weather currently like for the hobby? Recently moved to Baoshan district, anything interesting in that area? There's a few ominous looking foot massage places but I didn't go in. Felt a bit uneasy.

A couple of weeks back I finally made my way to manhattan, it was. Interesting.[/QUOTE]Can't comment about Baoshan area as I've never parlayed what they have to offer there. If you're ever in the Jing'an area and need help, give me a shout.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1765110]Is it an infringement to post the PM from HB1 on the board? Maybe I would be too frightened to do so even if that was allowed. I am shaking in my boots from his threats, NOT.[/QUOTE]If it is as inspiring as the rest of HB1's works. Why not?!

Lev.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1764777]I agree with HB1 his best option is to jerk himself off, but not only in SCAMHAI, but also in his palatial basement (he told you all he is f--king rich). But he probably will find something wrong with his right hand to complain about. He should not use a picture of a hot east European girl to get himself off. He should use the picture of Donald Trump (an inside joke for us)

HB1 told you guys after calling you all A-holes, he wished you were sitting across from him at a business table, intimating that he would have skinned you alive. For a tough, f--king rich business shark, he sure got his feelings hurt easily. I guess we are not stranding too far from the intended topic of the forum if we are talking pussy.[/QUOTE]Hilarious!

Lev.

So, So funny.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1765361]Hilarious!

Lev.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1765069]Definitely a problem with someone who sees fit to announce on this board that he is rich.
[/QUOTE]Haven't you ever heard the brad paisley song (sorry if your not into country. I am occasionally) about the guy that's 5'2" , overweight and lives with his mom? (never been to second base).

On line he's 6' tall has 6 pack abs and drives a Maserati? As the song goes " he's so much cooler online. ".

Today I tried to go to Ming Hui but when I arrived and we chatted the contact from Steve's page the guy said "sorry closed today, resting. " They told me to go up the road to a different place. Walked along for a while, passed a few BBS's along the way. Couldn't find the other place but stumbled upon Jin Spa behind sky fortune boutique hotel. A guy came out and told me to come check it out and it looked decent so I said what the hell, why not. Went in, the usual locker room and change into PJ's. Not too busy. Short wait and then fishbowl. About 25-30 choices. Prices for a 90 minute session started at 1180 and went up to 1580 I believe. Mostly 6's, a few 7 and 8's. Chose a petite one with be cups from the 1180 range, can't remember the number. Talkative girl (a little TOO talkative), friendly. She turned on the Japanese porno and did the soapy massage. Asked her to wear some stockings and sexy clothes. Decent session.

Anybody been to this place (Jin Spa)? It was okay, above average I would say. Also anyone know why Ming Hui is closed? And what was the nearby place that the Ming Hui person was trying to take me to -- another good sauna?

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1765688]Also anyone know why Ming Hui is closed? And what was the nearby place that the Ming Hui person was trying to take me to -- another good sauna?[/QUOTE]They have been advised to close day before yesterday for a short time because of a very windy period around this corner.

The managers mostly avoid to tell that clearly to their customers, because they are afraid to loose the guys than, because they will think the place is too "dangerous". The normal "excuse" for that will be redecoration, holiday or what ever instead of that!

From my point of view it gives me a good feeling, if a place will be closed because of the "weather forecast", because that is a proof to me, that they have a very good contact to the "weather maker"! That also means the risk to get an unannounced storm or even rain locally should be much lower than in a place, where they never close because of the weather forecast.

The other sauna she wanted to guide you to is a similar place not far away. Most managers have a "plan be" in form of a second similar sauna place. They can bring their guests there, if their main place is closed. Or also if the guest not found a girl he like, the manager still has a change in his second location.

Have a good time there.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1765688]Today I tried to go to Ming Hui but when I arrived and we chatted the contact from Steve's page the guy said "sorry closed today, resting. " They told me to go up the road to a different place. Walked along for a while, passed a few BBS's along the way. Couldn't find the other place but stumbled upon Jin Spa behind sky fortune boutique hotel. A guy came out and told me to come check it out and it looked decent so I said what the hell, why not. Went in, the usual locker room and change into PJ's. Not too busy. Short wait and then fishbowl. About 25-30 choices. Prices for a 90 minute session started at 1180 and went up to 1580 I believe. Mostly 6's, a few 7 and 8's. Chose a petite one with be cups from the 1180 range, can't remember the number. Talkative girl (a little TOO talkative), friendly. She turned on the Japanese porno and did the soapy massage. Asked her to wear some stockings and sexy clothes. Decent session.

Anybody been to this place (Jin Spa)? It was okay, above average I would say. Also anyone know why Ming Hui is closed? And what was the nearby place that the Ming Hui person was trying to take me to -- another good sauna?[/QUOTE]Never been to Jin spa, but may try it out. Live quite close. As far as Ming hui goes, Steven posted some time ago that needed to 'act' closed for a while. I happen to drive past there everyday and have noticed the light through the door is no longer visible. And the updates are sporadic at best.

I may know the place they tried sending you to, I recently posted about it, but did not go into detail. It is just a bit further down wuzhong lu from where you ended up. Give me a pm if you want more detail.

Taz.

When I was mongering in Canada, Australia and Europe, BBBJ was as rare as the coming of Haley's Comet. In China it is on every menu and I love it. While I have no symptom, I think I should do STD testing once in a while as a precaution. What is the most hassle free way to have it done here in Shanghai?

Also I think to renew the work visa, you may have to pass a physical examination each year. If one tests positive, it is better to know that and get treated prior to the official visa physical.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1766110]When I was mongering in Canada, Australia and Europe, BBBJ was as rare as the coming of Haley's Comet. In China it is on every menu and I love it. While I have no symptom, I think I should do STD testing once in a while as a precaution. What is the most hassle free way to have it done here in Shanghai?

Also I think to renew the work visa, you may have to pass a physical examination each year. If one tests positive, it is better to know that and get treated prior to the official visa physical.[/QUOTE]My Taiwanese friends suggest just go to the nearest district hospital. Usually all of them have a STD clinic.

However, if you do not speak Chinese or feel more comfortable with a more discreet experience I have heard good things from expats about this place:

Shanghai Skin Disease and STD Clinic.

You can Google it.

Just curious, do you guys go for value or go for hotness (prettiest girls)? Sometimes I try to find the gems out there for 680-980 rmb (good value). Today I was tempted to splurge (figuratively and literally) on a super good looking but SUPER expensive kang ding special model. Over WeChat I asked how much she was and they said 5000 rmb! Wow. So then I decided not to, since that's the price of a ticket to somewhere else in the world where I could have a week long trip and have a lot of fun. Has anyone ever tried a super high end expensive booking at a place like that? Was it worth it?

SNL says that Kangding and Ming Hui might have the prettiest girls. I haven't been to Ming Hui yet, but would love to try (once things get less windy). Any other places you guys would recommend?

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1766110]What is the most hassle free way to have it done here in Shanghai?[/QUOTE]A customer recently told me, he would never do the STD check in a Shanghai hospital again. They really insert 3 times wooden sticks in his urethra. Never any action like that was necessary for a STD check in Germany. And I believe him, that this is a fucking uncomfortable procedure! So I not recommend to visit a typical Chinese hospital for that.

But I have to restrict, that this is only a "Third Party" information, so if anyone here can report a "First Hand" experience, could be it is different.

Nevertheless, have fun.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1766170]Just curious, do you guys go for value or go for hotness (prettiest girls)? ?[/QUOTE]I guess this question is the most popular one I hear form guests and visitors.

But to give an answer is impossible!

Because the taste of each guy I met is totally different. I often guide customers to saunas, than join and support him by the girls selection out of the pool.

My personal game here is to guess, which one I think he would select. And to win this "game" never works. Often my guest select the girl which is the most unattractive girl in the fishbowl (at least for my taste). But nevertheless the guys will tell me later, that they never had sex with a stunner like that before.

There are so many different criteria that will finally follow to the result, that a girl is pretty, and (luckily) we not all have the same criteria and also not the same weighting of these criteria.

Seems there are guys outside, who think the ass of Kim Kardashian is attractive. For my personal taste, her shape is so "unattractive", that she could dance naked in front of me and I would not even get turned on a little bit (in Germany we call that: "a ass like a brewery horse", and who ever saw the brewery horses on the October Fest parade will know what I mean).

For some guy the girl need some meat, others only like very slim or even skinny, some girls like tall, others tiny, others like small hips, others not. Some think the typical Chinese flat face is totally ugly, others think it's attractive. Chinese love the high noses, many western guys think they look ugly.

So no one can answer your question seriously. For Chinese the answer is mostly: "as more tall, ass bigger the boobs, as younger the girl, as more pretty she is". That is for example the taste which is base of the "model criteria" here in Shanghai, but if you are not a "big tits lover", many models will not really be attractive for you.

So there is no other serious way than to go out and check it out for yourself. Personally I recommend the Jiang Li sauna or the Red House sauna for that, because they have a wide range of girls in selection, so you also have a good chance, that your personal taste is covered in one of this "levels", while you will be lost in Kangding Sauna, if your personal taste is far away from the Chinese "model taste".

So have fun and discover your own paradise.

[QUOTE=BlahMan333;1766170]Today I was tempted to splurge (figuratively and literally) on a super good looking but SUPER expensive kang ding special model. Over WeChat I asked how much she was and they said 5000 rmb! Wow. So then I decided not to, since that's the price of a ticket to somewhere else in the world where I could have a week long trip and have a lot of fun. Has anyone ever tried a super high end expensive booking at a place like that? Was it worth it?[/QUOTE]This girls are what Chinese call "car models". Literally it comes from the girls who will be used for the typical Chinese styled car show, where every brand will have several models in sexy clothes around their product. This girls matched to the Chinese ideal beauty (Tall, slim, big boobs) and several of them also offer a "special service" for outcall. The most sauna managers have contact to some of them to be able to help customers out with special requests, and Chinese guys are very generous. I know models who also get 50.000 for a short time from Chinese guys.

Here the mentality difference becomes clear. While many foreigners expect to get better service or something special, if they pay more, the Chinese are OK to show, that they are able to pay more. I explain that with an easy story.

If I would tell my western friends, that I just spend 50 k to have sex with this pretty model over there, they will think I am stupid, a greenhorn (and what great kind of party I would be able to have for that somewhere else or with someone else) and my reputation would drop with that! If I would be Chinese and would tell exactly the same to my friends, my reputation would skyrocket, because I am able to afford that, so that means I am so rich that I can do that. And actually having money is the point which all other guys around will admire and envy you!

Also hard to understand for foreigners: The girls mostly will be promoted with their "car brand". That means they get more customers, if they are the Ferrari or Benz Model than if they would be the model for Skoda. For foreigners hard to believe, that he has to pay 5000 more to fuck the model, just because of the car brand she work for. For Chinese this is the most important criteria for booking a car model here in Shanghai. You can brag out with it by your friends, and that's why you did it!

So from my view the "car models" are never a good choice for foreigners. All my customers who gave them a try had the experience, that this girls are not worth the spending. They expected a special "high class service", which they never got. A Chinese model can make a fortune without offer any special things, just because she mach to the ideal beauty taste. The most of this girls have very restricted service (for example often only one shot, no blow job or only covered blow job, never CIM or anything like that). Simply they think, a guy can be happy if they open their legs for him and there is no need to provide many more for that! And actually they are right, Chinese guys not expect more, but this cause problems with foreign guest, who not understand, that they should be thankful already to had the chance to sex with them.

So my summery: if you expect to get a very good service or a special experience, than the car model girls should not be your first choice.

Have fun out there.

The price of 5000 rmb is not SUPER expensive for a WOW girl. Think of what you have to pay for a high end girl in NYC, London or Amsterdam. You may spend that amount easily in an upscale KTV in Shanghai and have no pay off at all.

And 5000 rmb will get you an economy seat on a plane. I still recall with dread my last trip back to the States: long flight delays, lousy airplane food, intrusive security check, the long flight etc. I would much rather spend the 5000 rmb riding what you call a super end high girl (or 6 value girls based on a rough average of your usual range) than the plane seat.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1766201]I guess this question is the most popular one I hear form guests and visitors.

But to give an answer is impossible!

Because the taste of each guy I met is totally different. I often guide customers to saunas, than join and support him by the girls selection out of the pool.

My personal game here is to guess, which one I think he would select. And to win this "game" never works. Often my guest select the girl which is the most unattractive girl in the fishbowl (at least for my taste). But nevertheless the guys will tell me later, that they never had sex with a stunner like that before.

There are so many different criteria that will finally follow to the result, that a girl is pretty, and (luckily) we not all have the same criteria and also not the same weighting of these criteria.

Seems there are guys outside, who think the ass of Kim Kardashian is attractive. For my personal taste, her shape is so "unattractive", that she could dance naked in front of me and I would not even get turned on a little bit (in Germany we call that: "a ass like a brewery horse", and who ever saw the brewery horses on the October Fest parade will know what I mean).

For some guy the girl need some meat, others only like very slim or even skinny, some girls like tall, others tiny, others like small hips, others not. Some think the typical Chinese flat face is totally ugly, others think it's attractive..[/QUOTE]Fascinating, thanks everyone. I tend to keep quiet about my sauna visits so I definitely won't be bragging to anyone about paying for a car model. I would probably regret the damage to my wallet -- some of my best experiences have been with the cheaper girls for sure. That point about Chinese people wanting to show off that they can afford to waste money makes a lot of sense. I've heard of karaoke joints (regular singing, not sex oriented) that cost 10,000 rmb per night which seems crazy to me. To me nothing is better than a great GFE session with a friendly, pretty girl that doesn't break the bank. Feels good all around.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1766110]Also I think to renew the work visa, you may have to pass a physical examination each year. If one tests positive, it is better to know that and get treated prior to the official visa physical.[/QUOTE]FYI hospitals are required to inform the authorities if a foreigner is detected positive.

That is why it is recommended to test outside of mainland (ie HK).

Laws are meant to have changed (HIV positive are meant not to be banned from China anymore) but who knows what they really do and the reason they'll use to deny you entry if they do.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1766110]When I was mongering in Canada, Australia and Europe, BBBJ was as rare as the coming of Haley's Comet.

[/QUOTE]Where were you mongering in Europe? I almost think they invented BBBJ over there, because except for Amsterdam where CBJ is a 50:50, I have never been offered CBJ anywhere else on that lovely ('mongeratively' speaking) continent.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1766209]This girls are what Chinese call "car models". Literally it comes from the girls who will be used for the typical Chinese styled car show, where every brand will have several models in sexy clothes around their product. This girls matched to the Chinese ideal beauty (Tall, slim, big boobs) and several of them also offer a "special service" for outcall. The most sauna managers have contact to some of them to be able to help customers out with special requests, and Chinese guys are very generous. I know models who also get 50.000 for a short time from Chinese guys.

Here the mentality difference becomes clear. While many foreigners expect to get better service or something special, if they pay more, the Chinese are OK to show, that they are able to pay more. I explain that with an easy story.

So my summery: if you expect to get a very good service or a special experience, than the car model girls should not be your first choice.

Have fun out there.[/QUOTE]Shanghai G,

Your comments are very refreshing and informative. And though you are right that the show-off mentality may be more pervasive in China, the take-home message of your story seems true everywhere. The hotter a girl thinks she is, the more entitled she feels to the contents of your bank account without much effort. The really expensive providers are never worth it, except for bragging, even in the good ole US of A.

And what I find irritating is that mongers tend grossly overrate their experiences with these providers, maybe out of a desire not to appear to have been taken. Unfortunately this ends up perpetuating the scam.

In descending order: Prague, Amsterdam, Madrid, London, Frankfurt, Paris, Rotterdam. Either I was unlucky, or I needed to shower more often.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1766990]In descending order: Prague, Amsterdam, Madrid, London, Frankfurt, Paris, Rotterdam. Either I was unlucky, or I needed to shower more often.[/QUOTE]Strange indeed! I can't speak for Madrid or Rotterdam (never been), but the others on your list (besides Ams) are all BBBJ all the time for me.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1766110]When I was mongering in Canada, Australia and Europe, BBBJ was as rare as the coming of Haley's Comet. In China it is on every menu and I love it. While I have no symptom, I think I should do STD testing once in a while as a precaution. What is the most hassle free way to have it done here in Shanghai?

Also I think to renew the work visa, you may have to pass a physical examination each year. If one tests positive, it is better to know that and get treated prior to the official visa physical.[/QUOTE]I have had a work visa / permit for more than 10 years in China. I was only tested to get it the first time and never again. I am not sure if it is needed if you change jobs.

For those of you that said SNG was expensive, they have a discount deal on 4-5 girls. Some have dropped their price to 999 RMB for an hour. Some have taken their one hour price and promised 2 hours.

Now is the chance to give it a try. I putt this out there because I don't see shanghai again until October. Maybe if this is working for the girls the discount will keep going until I can get tthere.

Take a try and report back. Just like I have.

SAMCAN, can you?

[QUOTE=Fritobugger;1767150]I have had a work visa / permit for more than 10 years in China. I was only tested to get it the first time and never again. I am not sure if it is needed if you change jobs.[/QUOTE]Been here more than 5 years, changed jobs several times, never a physical beyond the first one.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1766201]Seems there are guys outside, who think the ass of Kim Kardashian is attractive. For my personal taste, her shape is so "unattractive", that she could dance naked in front of me and I would not even get turned on a little bit [/QUOTE]I remember decades ago having a discussion with a colleague at work who said he was not attracted to African American women and Asian women. He was only attracted to Caucasian women. I remember thinking how fortunate I was because I am attracted to all ethnicities as long as the woman is clean and healthy. Therefore, theoretically, I had a much wider range of possible lays than he did. As far as Kim Kardashian is concerned I get horny just looking at her photo.

JPopp had posted some positive review of Bilaya sauna. Went there tonight. Walked down the dark driveway / alleyway. Saw one guy sitting on a chair. He was not doing anything but sat there in the dark. Figured he was the look out. Asked him where is the sauna. He said he didn't know what I was talking about. Wandered around looking, the guy did not even look up at me when I walked back and forth. Can someone steer me in the right direction, here or by PM? Thanks.

This visit ended up visiting the MP mentioned a page back, tried Kang Ding again (location was more convenient), did a little bit of scouting, and Judy's.

1) Judy's -- Went on a weekend night, arrived around 10:30-11 pm. Was packed, but ratio was very good. There were a lot of girls sitting around looking bored, but later as the night went on around 12-1 am started dancing. Band was pretty decent. As soon as I walked in a found a spot, a Chinese girl latched on. Says she is from Qingdao and the only Chinese girl there. She was nice and a good sport, but English not so good and not my type. I got the sense she would probably be wild in bed though.

After I politely excused her, an African girl approached. Nice girl, fun, doesn't drink because she's Muslim. Interesting how people pick and choose parts of their religion to stick to. Not my type so I excuse myself again. Throughout the night, I'm trying to scout the room, and really only see 2-3 girls that I really like. The first girl that latched on probably helped, as nobody approached and I could look around when she was facing away. But the bad part was I lost a couple that ended up leaving with guys.

Later, at the bar, a pretty cute Viet approached me (she had been making eyes earlier). She latched on and danced and grabbed jr through my clothes. Ok, promising. While I wanted to see if something better was around, it was getting late and she seemed to really like me (which would later translate to an amazing experience). She seemed totally sweet and not hardened, and actually quoted a very reasonable 1000ST and 1500 LT. I decided to go for it.

Back at my place, and after separate showers and teeth brushed, she has multiple Os from DATY and sex (many positions, her making a ton of noise and DFK). No lube required. After we take a quick nap, I tell her I have an early morning and she says "I go now?" And she grabs the 1000+100 taxi I placed on the table. No muss, no fuss, sweet, honest, and fun. She goes by "Lisa". Probably 30's Viet but looks late 20's.

2) Jinglin? MP at Kangding Lu and Xikang. No lights but there is a manned entrance, not 100% sure this was the place mentioned a page back but it was the only place within a block or two. Somewhat busy corner. Walked in, and it felt more like a sauna. Directed downstairs and into a room with a shower. A girl comes in and I ask to see another, the next one is cute so we get on with it. She's fun and conversational, and tall. Nice, slim body. Solid 7-7. 5. At the end, got a regular he with some UTC action and top off. But nothing else offered. She declined keeping in touch, maybe need to visit a few more times.

While walking around the area (in a 10-20 minute radius West / South), saw a bunch of MPs, not sure if these are legit, or if possible to take out.

3) Decided to visit Kang Ding Sauna, which was open despite upcoming winds. I figured it was the type of place that you could cover up quickly. This time was much better than my first visit. Much wider selection, a little more activity though the facilities are still kind of sad and gross compared to Macau and Ming Hui. Lots of girls available at the lower A, M, Q levels, I selected an M girl who was from Haerbin, and who gave me a sly look in the fishbowl. She turned out to be a ton of fun in the room, and she ended up having an O as well (or was a fantastic actress). Gave me some excuse about it being against policy and fines / getting fired for sharing info though.

Lastly, around my hotel when walking around for food, I see a lot of little places that say "foot massage" off on side streets with just a couple of scantily clad girls inside. Didn't see any particularly cute girls, so I didn't check them out, but I assume these are BBS type places?

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1768789]JPopp had posted some positive review of Bilaya sauna. Went there tonight. Walked down the dark driveway / alleyway. Saw one guy sitting on a chair. He was not doing anything but sat there in the dark. Figured he was the look out. Asked him where is the sauna. He said he didn't know what I was talking about. Wandered around looking, the guy did not even look up at me when I walked back and forth. Can someone steer me in the right direction, here or by PM? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The place is very good hidden in the backyard. And even if you know their building number, it will not work, because the entry to the backyard is not in the exact row where this number would you expect to be. Cost's me half an hour to find it when I first went there to discover this place last year.

And actual it is common policy, that the guards don't give out any information and pretend to know nothing about a sauna, as long as you not know the "key code", what mostly would be a contact name in there. If you would have asked him for a specific person working there, he would probably have guided you to there.

In Baliya sauna (I think this is the one you talk about), there is always a guy outside at the street as part of their "pre warning system". So a upcoming police raid will be realized very early and they have a lot of time to bring their guests out till the police finally would arrive in the service area.

Have fun,

Starting from today in China will hold an important holiday because of the "Commemoration of 70th Anniversary of Victory of Chinese People's Resistance against Japanese Aggression and Anti-Fascist War". This is a very big and important event for China, combined for example with a huge parade in Beijing on the People's Square.

Because of that it is already announced, that many saunas will get order to close in Shanghai this days (the festival end on 5th). For example in Ming Hui district probably 90% of the sauna clubs have been advised to close their doors.

Jing An Area (for example Kang Ding Sauna) till now have no plan to close, but also can happen on a short note, so for all guys who plan to monger around the next 3 days, better check, if your target location is still open before you go over there.

Nevertheless,

Have fun.

Thanks for the words on Baliya. I knew that guy was the lookout. I do not know the name of the manager, but figured because I looked like the farthest thing from the LE, he would steer me to the sauna. But, nooooo.

As for increased windiness during this commemorative period, it seems counter-intuitive. I would have thought that LE will also be enjoying the holidays themselves. And it will look bad in the news to have naughty joints busted (hence admitting to the existence of such underbelly) at this time when the government is trying to show off the best face for the country. But I do not think in the same way as their officials.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1769047]The place is very good hidden in the backyard. And even if you know their building number, it will not work, because the entry to the backyard is not in the exact row where this number would you expect to be. Cost's me half an hour to find it when I first went there to discover this place last year.

And actual it is common policy, that the guards don't give out any information and pretend to know nothing about a sauna, as long as you not know the "key code", what mostly would be a contact name in there. If you would have asked him for a specific person working there, he would probably have guided you to there.

In Baliya sauna (I think this is the one you talk about), there is always a guy outside at the street as part of their "pre warning system". So a upcoming police raid will be realized very early and they have a lot of time to bring their guests out till the police finally would arrive in the service area.

Have fun,[/QUOTE]Could you advise if they have cleaned up their shower area. I used to visit the place and it was pretty bad. How's the facility now?

[QUOTE=Mike666;1769446]Could you advise if they have cleaned up their shower area. I used to visit the place and it was pretty bad. How's the facility now?[/QUOTE]As far as I know the facilities are still shabby and for sure not the reason to go there. There advantage has been a great service with a very low rate of "disappointments" (the service finally depends on the girls performance, and here you always will have a rate of "bad service providers", especially if you are a foreigner and not able to communicate with the girl.

We used to stop over in this sauna on our nightlife tours, just because there only one of 50 guys got bad service, which is pretty less compared with other locations in Shanghai.

But frankly we stopped that, after they start to charge a "shower fee" of 168 RMB for our tour guides (which not joined a session). From my view not very reasonable, that our guides get charged for bring a group of new customers over. So better be prepared to pay that too, if you not find a girl in selection you like and leave without book a girl.

By the way, they also have a second location which is a little bit more upscale (but still much lower level than for example Jiang Li or Tang Dynasty) where they also provide Nuru massage. Which is not on the menu in Ba Li Ya sauna, just because they have no "wet rooms" for that.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1769266]As for increased windiness during this commemorative period, it seems counter-intuitive. I would have thought that LE will also be enjoying the holidays themselves. And it will look bad in the news to have naughty joints busted (hence admitting to the existence of such underbelly) at this time when the government is trying to show off the best face for the country. But I do not think in the same way as their officials.[/QUOTE]It doesn't work that way. Most cleaning operations happened just before or during the vacation period.

Last year DG during Chinese new year, this year it was heavy raids on Minhang with places shut down the week before CNY and repeated raids during CNY and after.

I guess its their way of showing to the mass they are active. As news papers will talk about it.

All these sauna managers use websites like sh419, aishi, shlf, and such to advertise, they put qq weixing and phone numbers all of which can easily be listened to by the police. So knowing manager names is very easy since its public knowledge.

As for guys posted outside of saunas for early warning, don't forget that the police knows about them too. As well as all most the warning systems.

When they really want to successfully raid a place they send undercover normal cloth cops from another city or even Beijing itself they use these undercover people some in the rooms, some at the entrance / rest rooms to quickly act and bust people inside in the middle of a session. Outside people come last to bring numbers / backup and surround the place.

The only reason saunas stay open is their protection. The day the reasons to keep them open are lower than those to close them, they are dead meat no matter how many warning guys they have and how much of a maze the place is because when its clothed police from elsewhere that is already inside, its just too late.

This is why so many saunas have been closed in the past.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1768552]I remember decades ago having a discussion with a colleague at work who said he was not attracted to African American women and Asian women. He was only attracted to Caucasian women. I remember thinking how fortunate I was because I am attracted to all ethnicities as long as the woman is clean and healthy. Therefore, theoretically, I had a much wider range of possible lays than he did. As far as Kim Kardashian is concerned I get horny just looking at her photo.[/QUOTE]Spot on my man, way to go!

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1768789]JPopp had posted some positive review of Bilaya sauna. Went there tonight. Walked down the dark driveway / alleyway. Saw one guy sitting on a chair. He was not doing anything but sat there in the dark. Figured he was the look out. Asked him where is the sauna. He said he didn't know what I was talking about. Wandered around looking, the guy did not even look up at me when I walked back and forth. Can someone steer me in the right direction, here or by PM? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi NorthSouth,

Go to 389 Zhaojiabang Road, enter between some black gates towards the apartments (there's usually a lookout here with a headset, just ignore him) and basically treat it like a dead end road. Walk about 20 metres to the end of the alley and turn right, keep walking through the car park entrance (probably where you saw the guy sitting) and turn left, walk straight through the car park about 100 meters until you get to the building, turn right and walk 10 metres until you hit the front doors (they're white). You'll kick yourself how easy it is to find once you've been there the first time.

As for the showers and locker rooms, I don't have a problem with them. Its not the Ritz Carlton but its certainly a lot cleaner and brighter than the dinginess of red house.

I haven't been there in a few months because I've become addicted to double the price x girls at Kangding.

I've been to Kangding 3 more times in the past 6 weeks and my wallet is not happy. But holy shit am I! Of course I couldn't resist and have seen 3 more X girls, price is 1598 with SNG discount (regular price is 1798). These girls are just drop dead gorgeous, as I said before the kind of girl you would turn around to look at on the street and think wow, if I could ever have the chance to fuck a girl that hot! Well here you do. I actually can't remember all their numbers it was a few weeks ago, I know one of them was X20. I've had varying levels of GFE there, probably nothing compared to my first visit (which included very passionate DFK) these 3 weren't into that, 2 of them were into DATY one wasn't. But all of them definitely got into the fucking. X20 in particular. Again, it's a short session (60 minutes), I haven't been able to pop twice but you could if you got the first one out quickly. And of course its kind of expensive compared to my regular 700 before 6 pm at Baliya. My wallet says no but my little head keeps saying yes!!

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1769486]As far as I know the facilities are still shabby and for sure not the reason to go there. There advantage has been a great service with a very low rate of "disappointments" (the service finally depends on the girls performance, and here you always will have a rate of "bad service providers", especially if you are a foreigner and not able to communicate with the girl.

We used to stop over in this sauna on our nightlife tours, just because there only one of 50 guys got bad service, which is pretty less compared with other locations in Shanghai.

But frankly we stopped that, after they start to charge a "shower fee" of 168 RMB for our tour guides (which not joined a session). From my view not very reasonable, that our guides get charged for bring a group of new customers over. So better be prepared to pay that too, if you not find a girl in selection you like and leave without book a girl.

By the way, they also have a second location which is a little bit more upscale (but still much lower level than for example Jiang Li or Tang Dynasty) where they also provide Nuru massage. Which is not on the menu in Ba Li Ya sauna, just because they have no "wet rooms" for that.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]Used to go there frequently and had a regular girl. I think she was the trainer at the time. Not the youngest but she sure knew how to create a good time. Even with her connections to jump the queue, I had to wait up to an hour or more while punters streaming in and out. It got so bad that the rooms smelled like locker rooms from non-stop usage. And no one gave a damn about basic services, except the girls. At one point, I had a chance to try out some of the new girls while the trainer joined the fun. If the facility was a bit better, it would have been great.

I had the same experience with the shower fee in one in Dongchang road. Again, busy like hell place and no one gave a shit that I had a booking.

Sinofaguo.

I posted earlier after reading in the news about a raid of a naughty joint in another city. It went down pretty much like you said. The timing of the raid was near midnight, and the newspaper bragged that, despite CCTV on the outside, lookouts, hidden entrance, the undercover police were already in position inside, and the "bad" guys and girls along with the johns, were busted.

JPopp: Thanks for the direction.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1766110]
Also I think to renew the work visa, you may have to pass a physical examination each year. If one tests positive, it is better to know that and get treated prior to the official visa physical.[/QUOTE]You don't need to have a physical each year, only before your initial work permit. I've had 2 work permits in Shanghai and then 3 years ago a new permit in a nearby city. I had to get a physical in the nearby city as my Shanghai permit had lapsed. I'm unsure if I would have needed to take the physical if my Shanghai permit was still valid.

Guys,

I will be in Shangahi next week. I'm looking for escort who can do outcall in my hotel. Can you please suggest someone with whom you had good GFE experience. Please PM me for details.

[QUOTE=Amgowow;1769810]Guys,

I will be in Shangahi next week. I'm looking for escort who can do outcall in my hotel. Can you please suggest someone with whom you had good GFE experience. Please PM me for details.[/QUOTE]Similar request from me as well. Please PM me if you have any suggestions apart from Steve's girls. Looking for GFE experience with preferably nice face and decent size breasts.

FR will follow. Thanks a ton!

[QUOTE=Amgowow;1769810]Guys,

I will be in Shangahi next week. I'm looking for escort who can do outcall in my hotel. Can you please suggest someone with whom you had good GFE experience. Please PM me for details.[/QUOTE]7 posts, all requests for someone to spoon feed you. Not a report in the bunch. Can you read back a page or 2? You will find more information than you need.

BTW, I PM and share everything I can with anyone contributing to the forum.

Let's face it, the Buddha place is under really bad management. Rooms are dirty, showers are icky, girls don't care anymore, and the price keeps going up from time to time.

So, there's a new place right next to it that I decided to try yesterday! Great service by one of the girls there. Looks / body around 7, which works for me. She did some fun real-tongue action on my back, rimming and wanted to HJ me but I tried my luck negotiating for some more. At the end +200 got me FS. Really good FS. CIM and all. Girl is #19.

Total damage– 248 + tip. Not bad. Much better than the damn Buddha place.

[QUOTE=JPopp;1769624]I've been to Kangding 3 more times in the past 6 weeks and my wallet is not happy. But holy shit am I! Of course I couldn't resist and have seen 3 more X girls, price is 1598 with SNG discount (regular price is 1798). These girls are just drop dead gorgeous, as I said before the kind of girl you would turn around to look at on the street and think wow, if I could ever have the chance to fuck a girl that hot! Well here you do. I actually can't remember all their numbers it was a few weeks ago, I know one of them was X20. I've had varying levels of GFE there, probably nothing compared to my first visit (which included very passionate DFK) these 3 weren't into that, 2 of them were into DATY one wasn't. But all of them definitely got into the fucking. X20 in particular. Again, it's a short session (60 minutes), I haven't been able to pop twice but you could if you got the first one out quickly. And of course its kind of expensive compared to my regular 700 before 6 pm at Baliya. My wallet says no but my little head keeps saying yes!![/QUOTE]Can someone please explain where this sauna is? Too many descriptions without any help where to find it.

Thanks in advance.

How do I get to the Kang ding sauna?

Hi all,

Will be making my semi annual trip to Shanghai. In the Spring Judy's & Manhatten were 1000 RMB for short term, 15-1800 for long term. Is this still the case? Last trip had one very bad experience (had to send a girl away because she refused to take payment after. Insisted on upfront). Cost me an hour to recycle. Any hints for this fall? Thanks. And will report upon my return. Looking perhaps to try a KTV this time if anyone is up for a joint adventure. PM me.

Will

Hey everyone,

I'll be in Shanghai for business during these days. Anyone want to join me for a round at the sauna? Or pick up girls at the bar?

[QUOTE=Willa1;1771073]Hi all,

Will be making my semi annual trip to Shanghai. In the Spring Judy's & Manhatten were 1000 RMB for short term, 15-1800 for long term. Is this still the case? Last trip had one very bad experience (had to send a girl away because she refused to take payment after. Insisted on upfront). Cost me an hour to recycle. Any hints for this fall? Thanks. And will report upon my return. Looking perhaps to try a KTV this time if anyone is up for a joint adventure. PM me.

Will[/QUOTE]I have done overnight (at 1 am) for 1200-1500. What you are stating is starting price. Push a little! I always ask all those questions up front before leaving the bar. If they don't want the pay after, I will give half, if they don't want that, I walk on. I also state one more pop than I think I can do so I have agreement on what I am getting.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1771223]I have done overnight (at 1 am) for 1200-1500. What you are stating is starting price. Push a little! I always ask all those questions up front before leaving the bar. If they don't want the pay after, I will give half, if they don't want that, I walk on. I also state one more pop than I think I can do so I have agreement on what I am getting.[/QUOTE]Same here. Under 1500 for overnight is the norm for me. But I tend to go on week days (Sunday through Wednesday). Also the later it gets, say after 2 am, the more willing they are to negotiate.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1771394]Same here. Under 1500 for overnight is the norm for me. But I tend to go on week days (Sunday through Wednesday). Also the later it gets, say after 2 am, the more willing they are to negotiate.[/QUOTE]I would also say the "lower rate chance" is connected a lot with the actual situation in the bar. They are all "dealers" who have only one "product" in stock (or how a girls told me recently: "Unfortunately I have only one pussy" And it is a fact, that they can not sell more another day if they have less today, so from economic aspects the daily profit maximization must be the unconditional goal!

So if the girls have a chance to find a better deal (which they loose if they leave with you), they would be stupid to agree in a lower deal. And will not agree. If they have a high risk to end up with no deal, they would be stupid to refuse your. Even cheap. Offer. So the actual situation is one of the most important point of price range!

And beside that, for sure also the estimate of how easily they can rip you off! If the bar has many "potential customers for them", but they also feel a good chance to sell a overnight to you, cheat you by leave after one shoot, than go back and take another deal, than they are also willing to agree to a lower price. Which for sure will not follow up to a "afterwards payment" agreement!

That doesn't mean all girls who not agree to a "pay later solution" planned to rip you off. I know many girls there who simply had a bad experience with guys who ripped them off by finally paid less or nothing, so this girls set up a rule never risk that again. Even they never agree to serve without forehand payment, some of them will also not cheat you, but the problem is, how to find out what is her plan if you pay forehand.

Personally I don't like the feeling, that the girl in my bed actually want to leave, but only because of outstanding payment she must remain. So I always pay forehand and some girls leave after one shoot, some appreciate my trust in them and want in return give something back. Which mostly follow up to great girlfriend experience, some of them appreciate a lot to met such a "greenhorn" and happy to leave after one shoot. Unfortunately the share of the second group has increased a lot over the last 3 to 4 years, from my view one of the reason why I say this kind of service go down the hill. And the girls not understand, that there benefit of cheating today is there loose of business tomorrow.

If you talk about that with them. What I do often with Vietnamese working girls when I visit friends in their apartments. You will find out, that they follow the idea, that no one can know what will be tomorrow, but the money they have in their pocket today will be a fact.

Not great from customer view, but understandable regarding to visa policy, changing rules and situation, illegality of the business and so on.

And another word to the negotiation strategy. I would suggest that everyone should be clear about his targets and make sure his "strategy" matched to his target!

I am personally very sure, that the way and amount you should pay depends also a lot on what you are looking for.

If you are looking for just a "pussy", I think hard negotiation is not a problem, but if you are looking for something in girlfriend experience style (which for example is my desire), than I strongly believe, you reduce your chance a lot with a hard negotiation.

Personally I can not believe, that a girl who just "lost" a hard strong battle about the price (which is from her view for sure also a "rating" of her attractiveness) one hour later will feel you are such a good guy and good friend that she can relax on your side and for herself feel like having a boyfriend sex situation. Really? I don't believe that!

For sure she will still have your posting in mind, that she not deserve more than this 800 (or what ever), because many other girls around you also could take.

And from my experience revenge is a typical reaction. Especially from girls. If they will get the chance for that.

And while you have sex, she is the one who decide what and how she serve you (except you force her to do what you want. What is not normal in a "girlfriend sex action", that's why I said it depends on the sex style you expect).

I would guess most girls are able to get their revenge if they like, just by giving you a service that they feel you got a lot of fun less for the 500 RMB you saved.

From psychology view that is obvious, but I also know that from psychology view all guys who "play" that "price down strategy" - from their view successful and without any disadvantage. Need to deny that, simply to avoid loose the feeling, that what they are doing is right.

So the normal "self confidence correction effect" will be, that if a girl serve bad, they will be 100% sure it was right to not to pay her more, because she is a bad provider, if she notwithstanding provide a good girlfriend experience, they will be reinforced, that their strategy is the best. In psychology that very common effect is called a "self-fulfilling prophecy".

But the question is, if you would negotiate generally less "hard", would you also generally get better service that is worth (from your point of view) the additional spending? If you are looking for a girlfriend experience, I think so.

But again, that is only my personal view and I really don't want to offend anyone, but simply dropping a different view of things in the discussion about the price range to avoid, that all people here will think the "low price strategy" is the only option they have without "wasting" money.

Have fun and great pickups.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1771394]Same here. Under 1500 for overnight is the norm for me. But I tend to go on week days (Sunday through Wednesday). Also the later it gets, say after 2 am, the more willing they are to negotiate.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback from you both. And from Shanghai Nightlife. I typically start a little early (11 PM?) - and try to leave by 1 AM. I know that this means a higher price. But I am just getting too old to stay up later. I do generally not negotiate too hard (although LT typically started last time at 2500. Ended up at 1700). Do think it affect the quality.

I do now talk about the payment only at the end. And will not go with someone if there is not agreement. Good thought to offer half up front for LT. It would be less than the ST cost. So may try that if I get stuck.

Anyone around on the 18th, 19th or 25th to try a KTV run?

Will

Totally agree. You cannot expect the girl to be lovey dovey after you drove a hard bargain. That is why I prefer sauna, where there is no haggling over price ( not that necessarily mean the girl will be in a better mood or give better service as a result), over MP or pick up bars. But the fun for some is from the hunt and the back and forth.

If you're looking for rock bottom prices, you can't complain when you get a lower service level.

Carrot or the Stick my friends. Happy encounters are more likely with a girl that is happy she met you. If you're a last ditch option (because of your low money or a hole attitude), you're going reap what you have sown.

BODI UPDATE.

I had one day in Shanghai and my favorite girl was unavailable so I went to Bodi.

AWESOME lineup. The fishbowl is back for the second time (in 4 months) for me instead of a dimly lit hallway lineup of 6 with 2 other punters standing next to me. 25 girls with many hotties.

With so many hot girls and only one punter (me) on this side of the glass, it was a tough decision.

I decided on a girl that looked at me and smiled. For only a brief moment. That method has served me well. It's very telling when a girl will interatct with you while the other girls are staring straight ahead with a blank expression.

After the service, we chatted and she reinforced the fact that they are afraid of foreigners because they think we're all packing elephant dicks and will rip them apart.

When you Asian guys go in front of a fish bowl, are you getting more than 3 in 25 who will actually look your way or even smile? I'm an OK looking guy and in OK shape. If these were American girls I'm sure I would get a better reaction from them.

I remember a couple years ago. A guy in manhattans was pushing to get a girl cheap. He said, "this girl is going to learn a thing about negotiation!" he then said, "it doesn't matter, they are all lousy in bed anyway. HAHA. I laughed then because he never put the cause with the effect.

I have also had girls tell me "I like you, I will give you last price, don't need to play" sometimes it is a good price, sometimes it is every other girls first price. Regardless, I came to the conclusion that there is an expectation of some push back. I have found 1500 to be the asking price for overnight. 1200 seems to be the sweet spot. Girls will offer that quickly if you say no to the 1500.

I have had my best and worst experience at 1000. Two different girls (in 2015) quoted me 1000 for overnight. The first girl was Mae. She was 36 and fresh off the plane that day from Viet nam. She said she worked in an office in Viet Nam. I think she might have. The sex was GFE ad I think maybe she had not had any in a while. Maybe she was not sleeping around in Viet nam or maybe she just liked sex. She was so good, I always regretted not getting her number. Another one in August of 2015 was kissing my neck, my ears, rubbing up against me, getting me hard. She said she only wanted 1000 for all night. She was ready to leave the bar and wanted to go. We went to my place, had one pop and she wanted to sleep. I tried to kiss her ear and she said she wanted to sleep. I tossed her out and slept by myself. I prefer sleeping by myself than with a stranger I just met. OK she won that round but I slept well!

I met a 24 year old named Ray (May 2015). I grabbed her the first night for 1500. We had one BJ 2 FS pops and I asked her to go. She didn' t want to go. She liked my bed and slept wrapped around me. I finally said she had to so I could sleep.

I saw Ray 2 nights later. I had met a german expat (Steven? Haha) and he told me not to pay more than 1000 for overnight (may 2015). Ray showed up and asked me to go with her. I told her my friend said 1000 was the rate. She accepted (at midnight on a Saturday) and it was back to my place. Sex was just as good as 1500 rmb sex.

Bottom line, maybe I need to take a girls first offer and see if there is a difference. What I have paid has never provide a consistent cost or experience. I would gladly pay more for a better experience but I have not found that yet. I guess when you are dealing with people. (who are all different,) what do we expect?

SAM CAN.

So Sam my man.

Bottom line. You going to send me Ray and Mae's numbers? Hahaha!

[QUOTE=SamCan;1771624]I remember a couple years ago. A guy in manhattans was pushing to get a girl cheap. He said, "this girl is going to learn a thing about negotiation!" he then said, "it doesn't matter, they are all lousy in bed anyway. HAHA. I laughed then because he never put the cause with the effect.

I have also had girls tell me "I like you, I will give you last price, don't need to play" sometimes it is a good price, sometimes it is every other girls first price. Regardless, I came to the conclusion that there is an expectation of some push back. I have found 1500 to be the asking price for overnight. 1200 seems to be the sweet spot. Girls will offer that quickly if you say no to the 1500.

I have had my best and worst experience at 1000. Two different girls (in 2015) quoted me 1000 for overnight. The first girl was Mae. She was 36 and fresh off the plane that day from Viet nam. She said she worked in an office in Viet Nam. I think she might have. The sex was GFE ad I think maybe she had not had any in a while. Maybe she was not sleeping around in Viet nam or maybe she just liked sex. She was so good, I always regretted not getting her number. Another one in August of 2015 was kissing my neck, my ears, rubbing up against me, getting me hard. She said she only wanted 1000 for all night. She was ready to leave the bar and wanted to go. We went to my place, had one pop and she wanted to sleep. I tried to kiss her ear and she said she wanted to sleep. I tossed her out and slept by myself. I prefer sleeping by myself than with a stranger I just met. OK she won that round but I slept well!

I met a 24 year old named Ray (May 2015). I grabbed her the first night for 1500. We had one BJ 2 FS pops and I asked her to go. She didn' t want to go. She liked my bed and slept wrapped around me. I finally said she had to so I could sleep.

I saw Ray 2 nights later. I had met a german expat (Steven? Haha) and he told me not to pay more than 1000 for overnight (may 2015). Ray showed up and asked me to go with her. I told her my friend said 1000 was the rate. She accepted (at midnight on a Saturday) and it was back to my place. Sex was just as good as 1500 rmb sex.

Bottom line, maybe I need to take a girls first offer and see if there is a difference. What I have paid has never provide a consistent cost or experience. I would gladly pay more for a better experience but I have not found that yet. I guess when you are dealing with people. (who are all different,) what do we expect?

SAM CAN.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1771641]So Sam my man.

Bottom line. You going to send me Ray and Mae's numbers? Hahaha![/QUOTE]I wish I had them!

[QUOTE=Stegram;1771552]If you're looking for rock bottom prices, you can't complain when you get a lower service level.

Carrot or the Stick my friends. Happy encounters are more likely with a girl that is happy she met you. If you're a last ditch option (because of your low money...., you're going reap what you have sown.
[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I disagree in the most part. There is no correlation between amount spent and service level. We want to think and believe we make them like us more by spending more on them, but instead the vast majority end up taking you for a sucker and try their best to maximize their take. Instead of providing a great service, they hold back hoping to make you give even more. Like others here, my best experiences have come from the lower end of the going rate in any region I have been. My worst experience was the most expensive I ever paid for, but I have also had 1 or 2 very good services from the high end 'pricers'.

Sam is right we are dealing with unpredictable humans, but they can also be quite predictable. The one constant I have always found is that providers that are quick to demand payment upfront always tend to provide lower quality service. I have found very few exceptions to this rule, very few indeed.

I think saunas may be switching their girls' numbers around. I can understand promotions to a higher tier because a girl got great reviews, but I suspect they sometimes just switch numbers to make it looks like they have more girls than there actually are.

I keep a log of the girls with a little note about the session when I was on my way home. I took this girl last evening who had a number I had not been with before, but I was almost sure, as we played, I was with her a month ago, but she had a different number then.

So unless you can remember faces well, you may not get the repeat you were looking for, or trying to avoid.

Here's something else to throw into this debate. Manhattan, Judy's, MP's, sauna's, independents. Some of these girls live together and they talk about their customers. Yes, even the independents. So if you're a regular at these places, some of the girls will know about you, how much you negotiated to get the girl out the door for ST or LT, how much you tip them after the happy ending, how you treat them, even the type of hotels you're staying at, is it a 5 star or a Motel168. Of course this applies only when you frequent the same place but switch girls, it does affect the expectations from the girls when they negotiate.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1771945]I think saunas may be switching their girls' numbers around. I can understand promotions to a higher tier because a girl got great reviews, but I suspect they sometimes just switch numbers to make it looks like they have more girls than there actually are.

I keep a log of the girls with a little note about the session when I was on my way home. I took this girl last evening who had a number I had not been with before, but I was almost sure, as we played, I was with her a month ago, but she had a different number then.

So unless you can remember faces well, you may not get the repeat you were looking for, or trying to avoid.[/QUOTE]I discussed that issue with my sauna section manager, and we both are sure, that they not switch numbers to let them look like they would have more girls. The main reason will be, that every "switch" cause additional problems, because many regular Chinese customers do a reservation, the girls also get "bonus" for recalls and so on. All this getting more complicate and will cause frustration, if they change numbers, so the "effect" compared with the upcoming problems would not make too much sense.

So from that view I would guess very less saunas will change girls numbers because of this reason.

But it still could be it happened and followed to your experience, because there is really a case where girls need to change the numbers.

Most sauna clubs now have different number "categories" for their different price and "model" range.

For sure all girls want to charge the higher rate, but normally beginners don't get this chance.

So if a girl will get "upgraded" to a "higher level", she also will need to change the number, because other categories have other number systems (like for example another "block" of numbers like "9 XX instead of 7 XX or an additional sign like A888 instead of B888 and so on).

But I would guess a "number exchange" in between a number category will be an extremely exception.

Have fun, what ever the number will be.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1771977]Here's something else to throw into this debate. Manhattan, Judy's, MP's, sauna's, independents. Some of these girls live together and they talk about their customers. Yes, even the independents. So if you're a regular at these places, some of the girls will know about you, how much you negotiated to get the girl out the door for ST or LT, how much you tip them after the happy ending, how you treat them, even the type of hotels you're staying at, is it a 5 star or a Motel168. Of course this applies only when you frequent the same place but switch girls, it does affect the expectations from the girls when they negotiate.[/QUOTE]

I remember a post. But don't remember who it was apologies for not giving credit. He took a Viagara (or 2 haha) offered a girl at Manhattans 3000 RMB if she could rock his world for the night. this was a few years ago. so 3000 went that much further.

Well she did....... and he paid up. For the longest time, he could not get a girl to quote anything below 3000.

Arizona! To your point!

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1772006]I discussed that issue with my sauna section manager, and we both are sure, that they not switch numbers to let them look like they would have more girls. The main reason will be, that every "switch" cause additional problems, because many regular Chinese customers do a reservation, the girls also get "bonus" for recalls and so on. All this getting more complicate and will cause frustration, if they change numbers, so the "effect" compared with the upcoming problems would not make too much sense.

So from that view I would guess very less saunas will change girls numbers because of this reason.

But it still could be it happened and followed to your experience, because there is really a case where girls need to change the numbers.

Most sauna clubs now have different number "categories" for their different price and "model" range.

For sure all girls want to charge the higher rate, but normally beginners don't get this chance.

So if a girl will get "upgraded" to a "higher level", she also will need to change the number, because other categories have other number systems (like for example another "block" of numbers like "9 XX instead of 7 XX or an additional sign like A888 instead of B888 and so on).

But I would guess a "number exchange" in between a number category will be an extremely exception.

Have fun, what ever the number will be.[/QUOTE]Well, I know for a fact that saunas owned by the same group rotate their girls. (Namely 999, SiYuan, Bodi, New Jade Screen, Southern).

And when the rotations occur, the number changes. The girls tell me the rotation typically occurs every three months sometimes earlier so the customers will get a fresh selection.

My rule of thumb is that if I haven't been to a particular sauna for more than two months, then it is almost certain the number no longer works.

Usually, if I "reserve" a girl that I have never been with the locker room staff will remind me that who I have in mind might not be the same girl I am looking for.

And there were a couple instances where the girl who showed up is indeed totally different from whom I was expecting.

If she looks appealing then I will keep her. If she is not my type, I will tell the manager that she isn't the same person.

Usually the manager will explain to me that the original number X now works at a different location or she is on holiday.

Yes, the girls get bonuses for having reservations by repeat customers, I don't know how they work it out if the number changes though.

[QUOTE=Kib123;1771709]Unfortunately I disagree in the most part. There is no correlation between amount spent and service level. We want to think and believe we make them like us more by spending more on them, but instead the vast majority end up taking you for a sucker and try their best to maximize their take. Instead of providing a great service, they hold back hoping to make you give even more. Like others here, my best experiences have come from the lower end of the going rate in any region I have been. My worst experience was the most expensive I ever paid for, but I have also had 1 or 2 very good services from the high end 'pricers'.

Sam is right we are dealing with unpredictable humans, but they can also be quite predictable. The one constant I have always found is that providers that are quick to demand payment upfront always tend to provide lower quality service. I have found very few exceptions to this rule, very few indeed.[/QUOTE]Kib it seems that you have interpreted my meaning to be that girls who charge more are better in the sack. Absolutely not true.

My point is that if you beat a girl down too far from her normal price, THAT girl has less incentive to provide good service because you are not a full paying customer FOR HER, and her incentive to want to get you to see her again has gone down. This is a common business acumen and there's no reason it does not apply here. Companies expect to negotiate contracts but if you beat them down to where they don't really profit you are going to get what you get.

By beating her fee down below expectation, you have lowered the chance that THIS girl will provide you a good experience. You're going to get what you get.

Nothing is a for sure and none of the applies every time. It's just playing the odds. I'd rather pay 15% more than the rock bottom possible price to have a 35% better chance at a good session with an attentive girl.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1772106]

By beating her fee down below expectation, you have lowered the chance that THIS girl will provide you a good experience. You're going to get what you get.

Nothing is a for sure and none of the applies every time. It's just playing the odds. I'd rather pay 15% more than the rock bottom possible price to have a 35% better chance at a good session with an attentive girl.[/QUOTE]Ok, I get your point now. And I note that you have narrowed it down to a science. Should we call you the GFE odd-maker?

In all honesty, I personally hate a situation where I have to bargain for anything, least of all pussy. That's why I thoroughly do my homework so I know the going average; I identify my target and if I consider their offer is unreasonable, I provide a take it or leave it counteroffer.

Spending the next few days in Shanghai. Staying in the Marriott city center. Was hoping to hit up a sauna. By the reviews, Kang Ding seems a good one. I can't seem to figure out where exactly it's located. Can someone help out?

Cheers

Here's an idea.

I'll head over to Manhattan or Judy's, listen to the band, drink all the beer I want, chat up the viets / thais / africans / chinese, feel them up, grope as much as they would let me. When I've had enough to drink, can't stand the band anymore, get Donkey a hardon from fondling whoever will let me, I'll leave the girl a 100 RMB tip and head out. Once outside the bar, I'd pick up the phone and call:

1. The always reliable indy (insert at least 3-4 names here).

2. Buddha Place or Shaanxi Lu and reserve (insert some of the regular numbers here).

3. Kang Ding and ask for xxx.

Like Kib, I hate bargaining for pussies. Can't we all just get a good shag?!

Can anyone recommend or willing to share wechat girl information? PM me.

This is a silly, slightly off-topic question, but: How do you say "I'm coming / cumming" in Chinese? I always assumed it was the literal translation: "Wo lai LE" - but maybe I'm wrong and there's a different slang term for it?

[QUOTE=Optional;1772703]This is a silly, slightly off-topic question, but: How do you say "I'm coming / cumming" in Chinese? I always assumed it was the literal translation: "Wo lai LE" - but maybe I'm wrong and there's a different slang term for it?[/QUOTE]That is the correct one.

Jb.

"Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah" And flipping like a fish out of water usually gets the message across. At least that worked for me.

[QUOTE=Optional;1772703]This is a silly, slightly off-topic question, but: How do you say "I'm coming / cumming" in Chinese? I always assumed it was the literal translation: "Wo lai LE" - but maybe I'm wrong and there's a different slang term for it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Optional;1772703]This is a silly, slightly off-topic question, but: How do you say "I'm coming / cumming" in Chinese? I always assumed it was the literal translation: "Wo lai LE" - but maybe I'm wrong and there's a different slang term for it?[/QUOTE]Just show her your "O" face.

[QUOTE=Kib123;1772146]Ok, I get your point now. And I note that you have narrowed it down to a science. Should we call you the GFE odd-maker?

In all honesty, I personally hate a situation where I have to bargain for anything, least of all pussy. That's why I thoroughly do my homework so I know the going average; I identify my target and if I consider their offer is unreasonable, I provide a take it or leave it counteroffer.[/QUOTE]One more thing, and this may be stating the obvious. I get to Shanghai 1 or 2 times per year, but with a new girl I always tell them "I come here all the time" and " I usually stay for 2 weeks", etc.

Let them try to earn your repeat business even if it's not as often as they might think. A little deceptive but not nearly as significant as the games that are being played on us.

Many mongers like to brag about How they got a girl out of Manhattan at such in such price, but they neglect to report on the looks of the girl. There is a wide-range of girls in Manhattan, and most of the 8-9's with some experience will not go below 2000 for LT.

I like girls who have thin waists, shapely bodies, natural tits, are young with no kids, preferably not short. There are not many of those in Manhattan, and when I find one who gives me a good vibe, then I'll pay 2000 no questions asked. Also, there are many mainland Chibese guys in Manhattan these days. They also target the better-looking girls and are helping to push up the high-end price.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;1772875]Many mongers like to brag about How they got a girl out of Manhattan at such in such price, but they neglect to report on the looks of the girl. There is a wide-range of girls in Manhattan, and most of the 8-9's with some experience will not go below 2000 for LT.

I like girls who have thin waists, shapely bodies, natural tits, are young with no kids, preferably not short. There are not many of those in Manhattan, and when I find one who gives me a good vibe, then I'll pay 2000 no questions asked. Also, there are many mainland Chibese guys in Manhattan these days. They also target the better-looking girls and are helping to push up the high-end price.[/QUOTE]OH I always look for the ugliest fat ones cause price is King!!

Come on ., of course we are looking for the best girls to our own tastes. I agree with you a good vibe is essential, I pick 8's to my own assessment which may or may not agree with yours.

In my case I like them in their early 20's and petite spinner are my best choice. So my 8 may be your 6 and vice versa. Although this is my choice, I find I have better sex with the 30 somethings. Maybe cause I am 50 and they don't feel like they are screwing a fossit! Haha.

Anyway each to his own. I just tend to walk away from the ones that want a ton of $$ because there is enough there to choose from. Plus the hunt is part of the fun.

I generally don't go for the 9+ but I don't know why. It's not about money, I just never go that way.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1772797]One more thing, and this may be stating the obvious. I get to Shanghai 1 or 2 times per year, but with a new girl I always tell them "I come here all the time" and " I usually stay for 2 weeks", etc.

Let them try to earn your repeat business even if it's not as often as they might think. A little deceptive but not nearly as significant as the games that are being played on us.[/QUOTE]By the way, beside the pickup girls, that is also always the best strategy in a sauna! If the girl will know, she has no chance to get you as a "recall customer", the risk that she will use the session as a time to relax get up a lot, especially if you don't speak Chinese, so that she can be nearly sure you will not complain.

So my suggestion for everyone: let her feel you will come back again and again, than you will have much more chance, that she will go the "extra mile" for you.

Have fun.

Hi senior member,

Headed to Shanghai soon and was hoping to get a little help. Places to go, cost, menu, how to monger safe, any and all tips please. Any help would be greatly appreciated and would be reciprocated of course. Anytime your in Hawaii, I could be allot of help. Please feel free to PM me and thank you all very much in advance. I look forward to sharing all of my adventures in Shanghai with you.

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[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1772889]By the way, beside the pickup girls, that is also always the best strategy in a sauna! If the girl will know, she has no chance to get you as a "recall customer", the risk that she will use the session as a time to relax get up a lot, especially if you don't speak Chinese, so that she can be nearly sure you will not complain.

So my suggestion for everyone: let her feel you will come back again and again, than you will have much more chance, that she will go the "extra mile" for you.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]Very true, if the girl believes you will not return and will not complain, then she has zero incentive to provide decent service.

Though if you get them at the end of their shift when they are just exhausted to the point they don't care anymore, you still might get poor service regardless.

It happened to me a couple of times when I visit around midnight even though I was an actual frequent customer.

So along goes my suggestion, try to hit the saunas when the girls are fresh in the afternoon whenever possible. I would recommend going to the sauna at 2 PM.

[QUOTE=Optional;1772703]This is a silly, slightly off-topic question, but: How do you say "I'm coming / cumming" in Chinese? I always assumed it was the literal translation: "Wo lai LE" - but maybe I'm wrong and there's a different slang term for it?[/QUOTE]Yao She LE or Kuai She LE or Simplily She She sheeeer! Pronounced as Si Earl! As in She + earl (as in Earl gray tea) .

Yao as in Yeee Ao (going to).

Enjoy!

AG.

[QUOTE=AceGallant;1772959]Yao She LE or Kuai She LE or Simplily She She sheeeer! Pronounced as Si Earl! As in She + earl (as in Earl gray tea) .

Yao as in Yeee Ao (going to).

Enjoy!

AG.[/QUOTE]MY Chinese is more limited, In MPs I always go with Bu ting! Bu ting! (don't stop, don't stop) . They get the meaning.

First of all thanks to SamCan for his sharing and guide to the options in Shanghai. Due to constrained time, I decided to settle with an outcall option and shame didn't have a chance to try Judys or Manhattan (maybe next time).

Anyways on to Snow. She looks very nice. Tall, big breasts and very nice face. So I was impressed how similar she looked to the pictures. She is also is pleasant and greeted me with a nice hug and smile. But when it came down to performance, I could see some of the "professional" behavior. Even tho I was told she kissed, she doesn't. She didn't even peck me and said it was due to some laryngitis she has (is this true. Though the reason was very creative).

Then when it came down to action, she seemed to get the action very fast and didn't want any foreplay and kept resisting DATY, kissing or any kind of turn on options. She lost me there. But, then I must say. Because she is attractive, you don't have a problem in getting turned on and doing it.

She does give a good rimming tho. Though different to Sam's experience, I thought her BBBJ wasnt that good because she couldn't keep her teeth away too far from the rocket if you know what I mean. Anyways 1 HR 2 shots and 1500 RMB damage is not bad for a girl like her.

I must say tho her artificial screams and her attempt to impress me with "you are too hot" "I think I fall in love with you" kind of words via translator were a bit over the top. I could guess that what followed would be my promise to leave her good review on the site. IMHO not a bad option but certainly not a repeat for me. I have her number in case you are not able to contact SNL.

VIK,

I never mentioned kissing or NO DFK but you are correct, I got the pecks as well. I don't know who said she kissed but I didn't and I didn't see it on steven's site either.

Anyway I apologize for that . I missed that one in the review.. I don't usually DFK with working girls anyway but that is a personal preference. Frankly after her rimming you and others, I am really not that interested in her DFK but that is me, no judgement.

I went CBJ as stated and no teeth problem. As far as DATY? I can't speak to why on that, I was having trouble finishing FS as I had had quite a busy week. She changed condoms after FS and jumped back to a CBJ to finish me. Granted, there was a condom but I got no teeth issues. While giving me the CBJ to finsih she spun around and put her pussy right in my face.

I got no, "I think I love yous". Or "you are so hot!" so you must be the Man!! Haha.

I guess on all future reviews I will put YYMV (your mileage may vary). Sounds like you had fun however. I am looking forward to my next trip to shanghai and Snow is on my mind. She has been on the 999 RMB discount lately. If she comes up on that again, I will jump on that and her. Original post is below to any that had questions on the original review.

If you just want to give constructive feedback and not destroy her business. ( a bad review posted on their site can really stop the business). send an email via the complaint form to steven. tell her she was a little rushed (or whatever) but you overall enjoyed the experience. he will get with her in a constructive way. I did that once and steven spoke to the girl.... I will post a really bad review if the girl is terrible but I have not had one of those to date.

SAM CAN.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1759269]I had one of the girls come to my hotel from the agency. Her name is snow. She is new and truth be told she looks exactly like the picture on the website!! She was great. BBBJ, DATY all on the menu. I chose CBJ and I think if I had not, it would have been over in a minute. The BJ skills are that good. She put the condom on with her mouth, rode me for a while cowgirl and then switched to mish. I was having trouble finishing. (it had been a long week with a lot of girls haha). She rolled me over changed condoms and finished me with a very good BJ.

Her chest is dynamite at 36 the. Her waist is small and butt great. She is 24 and looks it. After we finished we talked via translator for a bit and then she went her way.

Steven says they are all good for 2 shots. I wish I had enough left to find out.

Her reviews are posted on the site.

SamCan approval, I highly recommend.[/QUOTE]

I will be back in Shanghai in early November, any assistance welcome. Will be staying in LuWan district area hotel with family. Looking for any local assistance on: recon on independents such as Catherine, Cecilia, Cherry, etc. ; GFE civies / semi-pros; inexpensive karaoke bars / other evening fun activities.

Reason I am using this mode is because some of the more popular forum members evidently have full mailboxes and so I cannot PM them.

Anyway folks are welcome to PM me or maybe even meet for a beer once I arrive.

Meanwhile I will be trying to read up on the forum (etc) and get what I can from the archives.

Thanks to all and cheers!

[QUOTE=SamCan;1773122]MY Chinese is more limited, In MPs I always go with Bu ting! Bu ting! (don't stop, don't stop) . They get the meaning.[/QUOTE]Whatever works is good!

Enjoy!

AG.

I've had some very good experiences with some of the girls on Steven's site. His daily specials are excellent. Hujing and Lucy were fantastic. Lulu tried hard but I thought she was not as hot as I had hoped, and was a bit put off by her smell. Wendy had the least accommodating attitude, really rushed and not into foreplay. She's quite hot, so if you have better chemistry with her, it could work out. All in all, Steven does an amazing job.

Hi all,

Is it less windy now that the govt celebration is over?

Many thanks!

Seems it is shutdown and Keke moved down the road (just a bit west). Should be interesting if a lot of the girls go over there as well. It's a nice place, recently reopened (Feb.), already has a good selection and an English speaking contact (no, not keke).

Taz.

Windy weather will switch to Seattle with China's president at Starbucks getting his morning coffee and rubbing elbows with the tech crowd.

Hi all,

Is it less windy now that the govt celebration is over?

Many thanks!

It was windy in Minhang last Friday evening.

Expect anywhere to be potentially windy with the upcoming October holidays.

As for Taz, I guess you're talking about Sky? They claim they invested billions in this opening.

Can someone update if this is back in action?

Ramrod.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1774404]It was windy in Minhang last Friday evening.

Expect anywhere to be potentially windy with the upcoming October holidays.

As for Taz, I guess you're talking about Sky? They claim they invested billions in this opening.[/QUOTE]Not sure of the Sky reference. Quite honestly I have no idea the name of the place. I only know about it because my contact from dong song moved there. I do know they are planning on opening a very Hi-end sauna in a nearby hotel. According to my contact, prices will start at at least 2 k.

Hello folks,

I read your FR's with a lot of interest. However I do not travel as much as some you, the real rock stars. Thank you all for that.
I am in Shanghai since last week and will stay thru mid October. Looking for some action. Earlier I have been successful in getting nice viets at jury's and Manhattan, and even some clubs like S2. This time also planning to go over the weekend to have some fun. My weeks are crazy. All work, no play:

I did RTFF, but not very clear if the weather will still be ok. LE wise in Oct first week, during holiday Season? Any suggestions to maximise the fun / chance to get a hottie will be welcome. In turn, I promise to post a details FR.

Keep hunting till then.

AG.

Searched the Shanghai thread and couldn't find anything. Any MPs, BBSs, etc? Thanks, fellas.

[QUOTE=Ramrod;1774649]Can someone update if this is back in action?

Ramrod.[/QUOTE]I was just there last week. The name of the hotel and lobby is much nicer.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;1775044]Searched the Shanghai thread and couldn't find anything. Any MPs, BBSs, etc? Thanks, fellas.[/QUOTE]I should've asked if there was anything really, really close to any Line 10 subway station, between Tongji and Hongqiao Airport. Thanks in advance.

I just got back from Kang Ding Sauna, it was my first sauna experience and definitely a good one.

Got there around 11:30 PM on a Friday night. Wasn't too hard to find with the location card on SNG, alternatively you can add the manager TianTian on WeChat (no English.).

Walked into the lobby, a guy standing there asked me who I was looking for so I said TianTian. He then gave me a locker key and showed me to the shared locker room. Changed into the sauna outfit, met TianTian, and she took me to view the selection. The girls stand in a well-lit room behind a glass wall. There were about 10 X girls and 3 M's, no A's or Q's. I had been looking at TianTian's daily WeChat postings of available models all week in anticipation of coming and thought I'd had my heart set on one particular X girl, almost reserved her ahead of time, but I ended up choosing another X model. All the X's are stunning; like JPopp said earlier, they're the kinda girls you walk by on the street and think "damn, if I could hit that."

After the selection, I was taken into a little sitting room that was playing Furious 7 and I sat awkwardly with my girl for a few minutes before they said our room was ready.

The room itself is pretty spartan, but clean. Just a big bed with fresh towels on it, and a connected wet room with a shower. One wall is a gigantic mirror, which is fantastic for getting another angle of the action and doing your best American Psycho impression.

We stripped down, showered, and then she took me to the bed.

Started with a great BBBJ. None of that mechanical BS with one hand tweaking your nipple and the other hand holding a wad of tissues in case god forbid the blowjob gets a little wet. No CIM though. I noticed that in the SNG gallery of X girls, one said KB (CIM) is available, so I'm guessing it's not standard. Same with DFK. For the record, DFK is abbreviated SW in Chinese. Took me forever to figure that out. Still not sure what KS is. Not sure is DATY is an option either because I didn't try.

Sex was good. No problem with multiple positions. And again, the huge mirror is awesome. Had my first pop about a half-hour in. Took a breather, smoked a cigarette, chatted with the girl. She's warm. About as GFE as possible without DFK or DATY. Round 2 was similar to the first, BBBJ followed by multiple positions. Little brother got a little tired towards the end and I was pushing rope when the phone rang. She said time was up, but asked if I was "close" and of course I said yes, so she finished me off with her mouth and her hand before we hit the showers again. Really wish it was 90 minutes and CIM was available, but it was still fantastic.

After the shower, we headed back to the locker room and she made sure I remembered her model number. Got dressed and TianTian took me to reception to pay.

Total was 1598 RMB. The SNG website lists X-models as 1798 for 60 minutes and 2 shots, 1598 with the VIP membership, but I didn't end up needing to show any VIP discount card. TianTian's WeChat advertisements also list the price as 1598.

Price is a bit steep, seems like the going rate at a lot of SH sauna's is around 800? This was my first sauna experience, so I don't know if it's worth double the standard, but I'm coming from Beijing and this was definitely worth two MP trips. Those X girls are hot. I have time to go to one more sauna before I head back to Beijing, haven't decided which one yet. Maybe I'll end up going to KD again.

[QUOTE=RolandOrzabal;1775711]I just got back from Kang Ding Sauna, it was my first sauna experience and definitely a good one.

Got there around 11:30 PM on a Friday night. Wasn't too hard to find with the location card on SNG, alternatively you can add the manager TianTian on WeChat (no English.).
.[/QUOTE]Good report from a newbie with very few post. Beats the one post wonders that just want to know where to find pussy.

Welcome to the forums, thank you for contributing.

Sam Can.

[QUOTE=TallandHorny;1775085]I was just there last week. The name of the hotel and lobby is much nicer.[/QUOTE]Could you please enlighten us with the new name or perhaps it is another hotel in its place?

Because I just checked on Ctrip and it is telling me that Changhang-Merrylin Hotel is still not taking reservations.

I only had time to go to one more sauna before leaving, and decided on Jiang Li. It's pretty far from the city center, I took the line 10 subway to the terminal station and then a 20 RMB taxi ride to get there and then a 70 RMB taxi to get back.

This sauna is massive compared to Kang Ding. The only other sauna I've been to is Kang Ding, so bear in mind that's all I have to compare it to. Jiang Li had tons of clients, tons of girls. I got there around 8:30 PM on a Saturday night and there were already a good number of people. My manager contact from SNG, Owen, warned me that they were busy and I'd have to wait. Took about a half-hour before I saw the selection and then another half-hour sitting with my girl before a room became available. When I left around 11:00 PM, there were even MORE people just sitting around and waiting. If you go to Jiang Li, you'd better visit during a non-peak hour.

The facility is nice. Nice decor, spacious, clean. They provide you a Red Bull upon entrance.

The selection was more rushed than Kang Ding because there's no fish bowl and I went in there with like 10 other dudes all picking at the same time. There were about 30 girls in the room, pretty evenly distributed between the tiers (7 XX, 8 XX, 9 XX, 0 XX, VXX). Good variety, should be enough for anybody to find a good match, but they weren't stunners across the board like the Kang Ding X-models. Lots of hotties nonetheless. The 0 XX that caught my eye on Owen's WeChat postings wasn't in the lineup, so I chose a 9 XX.

The room I finally got (35) was clean, but it was next to the ladies' dressing room so it got distractedly noisy at times. There's a mirror on the ceiling over the bed but it doesn't offer as great a view as Kang Ding's giant mirror wall.

Service started out in the wet room with a rimjob and nuru massage, both firsts for me. Felt okay, but next time I'll skip it for more smash time. After the nuru, it was off to the bed for the first round of BBBJ and sex. Good stuff, open to multiple positions, although like Kang Ding there was no DFK, and again I'm not sure about DATY because I didn't try it. After first pop, took a breather and she flipped me over for whatever the hell that weird bubbly mouth massage thing is, then a completely worthless back massage. Didn't get anything out of those.

Round two was similar to the first, BBBJ followed by sex. Just like last time, I was pushing rope at the end so we switched to just BBBJ until the phone rang. She said time was up, but I said I was close (I wasn't) so she put a condom on me, I got into mish and then somehow pounded out a second pop in like thirty seconds. Weird how that works. She walked me out, but didn't seem too interested in my repeat business unlike my Kang Ding girl.

Total was 1080 RMB for 80 minutes and unlimited pops.

All in all, I preferred my Kang Ding experience. The Jiang Li girl had a pretty face and hot body, but the KD girl had a gorgeous face and flawless body. Customer service and full service were good at Jiang Li, but KD's was better. Wait time, selection process, location, and room were better at KD too.

But that's not to say Jiang Li was bad, I really enjoyed myself. Hopefully nothing came across as too negative, because I still had a great time and have no regrets checking out Jiang Li. And it has it's merits over KD: more price tiers, longer sessions, no limitation on pops.

Sigh unfortunately I'm heading back to Beijing tomorrow. My two Shanghai sauna visits easily trump anything I've had in Beijing. You brothers staying here have it good. I'll be looking forward to my next trip down here, for sure.

[QUOTE=RolandOrzabal;1775711]I just got back from Kang Ding Sauna, it was my first sauna experience and definitely a good one..[/QUOTE]Nice report. Do you remember what number X you had?

[QUOTE=RolandOrzabal;1776102]I only had time to go to one more sauna before leaving, and decided on Jiang Li. It's pretty far from the city center, I took the line 10 subway to the terminal station and then a 20 RMB taxi ride to get there and then a 70 RMB taxi to get back.

This sauna is massive compared to Kang Ding. The only other sauna I've been to is Kang Ding, so bear in mind that's all I have to compare it to. Jiang Li had tons of clients, tons of girls. I got there around 8:30 PM on a Saturday night and there were already a good number of people. My manager contact from SNG, Owen, warned me that they were busy and I'd have to wait. Took about a half-hour before I saw the selection and then another half-hour sitting with my girl before a room became available. When I left around 11:00 PM, there were even MORE people just sitting around and waiting. If you go to Jiang Li, you'd better visit during a non-peak hour.

The facility is nice. Nice decor, spacious, clean. They provide you a Red Bull upon entrance.....

[/QUOTE]Couple of really good reports. Thanks and come back to SH so we get more of your field reports!

[QUOTE=Carage;1775865]Could you please enlighten us with the new name or perhaps it is another hotel in its place?

Because I just checked on Ctrip and it is telling me that Changhang-Merrylin Hotel is still not taking reservations.[/QUOTE]The new name of the hotel is JI hotel.

[QUOTE=TallandHorny;1776301]The new name of the hotel is JI hotel.[/QUOTE]I am still confused. There is no hotel that goes by that name at the same address of Merrylin Hotel. In fact when I was in China last about 5 months back, the scaffolding was still on and had not reopened!

[QUOTE=RolandOrzabal;1775711]Total was 1598 RMB. The SNG website lists X-models as 1798 for 60 minutes and 2 shots, 1598 with the VIP membership, but I didn't end up needing to show any VIP discount card. TianTian's WeChat advertisements also list the price as 1598.[/QUOTE]In fact the discount we offer based on the discount the saunas offer to their "sales manager".

Many saunas now use this way for getting customers. They often deal now with "managers" who best have a good customer base. This manager get a "per capita premia" for each customer who he or she will bring over.

To make their business working, this "managers" get a discount they can offer to their customers. So the discount rate will be for all customers of this manager, but for all guest who not place a reservation by one of their "managers" the sauna will charge the higher rate.

But unfortunately nearly none of the managers is able to speak English and many foreigners not even use wechat, so our challenge was to find a solution, how foreigners can get the discount without place a reservation by phone or wechat.

So we researched to find sauna clubs which agree to give this discount also to foreign guys without Chinese skills who show up there without any reservation.

And the discount card simply show the Chinese text, that you are looking for the manager named XXXX and you are his customer, so that you will get the discount his or her customers would get, even without the requirement to place a reservation forehand.

That's the reason why you did not have any need to show the discount card after you get in touch with Tian Tian there, if you would simply went over without contacting her, you would have paid the higher rate without showing the card and the lower rate with show the discount card.

Have fun.

After delayed flights and missed connections, made it to the hotel tired and frustrated. Contacted the indie Wenli and she was available on short notice, and this was past midnight. Her English is decent so easy to communicate, I know we are in it for pussy, but this does make a big difference. She came dressed casually with no visible make up, so no awkward feel walking with her past reception. Had to pick her up from outside because of hotel elevator 'password' requirement. She is a chatty with a happy go lucky personality.

I classify her service as super GFE, a 10 in my books, on my all time top 10 list for sure, looks a 7. 5. She likes it slow and methodical and soft, so may not be for those into pse or rough play. Her website is fairly accurate on what she offers, and she's upfront at the start. Won't go into detail but really liked her DFK and DT skill, zero gag reflex. She also gets into it easily, if you know what I mean. She provides decent massage between sessions. Now I am seriously torn between repeating and trying one of Steve's girls, or trying one of the pickup bars. May only have one extra free night on this trip.

Decisions decisions!

Thanks to the Intel from pros here, my time in Shanghai is shaping up pretty good.

Everything Kib wrote I can only confirm. She really is an exception under the many, unusually satisfying in everything.

I'd rather not pass out her contacts here. If you are interested just PM.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Kib123;1776578]After delayed flights and missed connections, made it to the hotel tired and frustrated. Contacted the indie Wenli and she was available on short notice, and this was past midnight. Her English is decent so easy to communicate, I know we are in it for pussy, but this does make a big difference. She came dressed casually with no visible make up, so no awkward feel walking with her past reception. Had to pick her up from outside because of hotel elevator 'password' requirement. She is a chatty with a happy go lucky personality.

I classify her service as super GFE, a 10 in my books, on my all time top 10 list for sure, looks a 7. 5. She likes it slow and methodical and soft, so may not be for those into pse or rough play. Her website is fairly accurate on what she offers, and she's upfront at the start. Won't go into detail but really liked her DFK and DT skill, zero gag reflex. She also gets into it easily, if you know what I mean. She provides decent massage between sessions. Now I am seriously torn between repeating and trying one of Steve's girls, or trying one of the pickup bars. May only have one extra free night on this trip.

Decisions decisions!

Thanks to the Intel from pros here, my time in Shanghai is shaping up pretty good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1776716]Everything Kib wrote I can only confirm. She really is an exception under the many, unusually satisfying in everything.

I'd rather not pass out her contacts here. If you are interested just PM.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Yes, she is a real gem and has a very nice personality. Her English name is Rose.

Lev.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1776502]In fact the discount we offer based on the discount the saunas offer to their "sales manager".[/QUOTE]Ah gotcha. Thanks for all the info, your website is very helpful.

[QUOTE=JPopp;1776138]Nice report. Do you remember what number X you had?[/QUOTE]X30.

And it was actually your FRs that got me interested in KD in the first place!

Am very tempted to try, is she the same Indy on sng? By the same name?

Cheers.

SL.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1776762]Yes, she is a real gem and has a very nice personality. Her English name is Rose.

Lev.[/QUOTE]

I can send you Wenli contacts via PM.

GREGORY.

[QUOTE=StaidLo;1776887]Am very tempted to try, is she the same Indy on sng? By the same name?

Cheers.

SL.[/QUOTE]

I'll re-confirm Gregory and Levitan's endorsements.

I've seen WenLi many times and if available, she is always my first choice.

I always book 2 hours because her slow sensual techniques are amazing.

[QUOTE=Kib123;1776578]After delayed flights and missed connections, made it to the hotel tired and frustrated. Contacted the indie Wenli and she was available on short notice, and this was past midnight. Her English is decent so easy to communicate, I know we are in it for pussy, but this does make a big difference. She came dressed casually with no visible make up, so no awkward feel walking with her past reception. Had to pick her up from outside because of hotel elevator 'password' requirement. She is a chatty with a happy go lucky personality.

I classify her service as super GFE, a 10 in my books, on my all time top 10 list for sure, looks a 7. 5. She likes it slow and methodical and soft, so may not be for those into pse or rough play. Her website is fairly accurate on what she offers, and she's upfront at the start. Won't go into detail but really liked her DFK and DT skill, zero gag reflex. She also gets into it easily, if you know what I mean. She provides decent massage between sessions. Now I am seriously torn between repeating and trying one of Steve's girls, or trying one of the pickup bars. May only have one extra free night on this trip.

Decisions decisions!

Thanks to the Intel from pros here, my time in Shanghai is shaping up pretty good.[/QUOTE]

Hi Everybody,

I will visit Shanghai soon. I am just curious that, if any monger got caught during the sex act by police, what would be the punishment? As you guys probably know, prostitution is illegal in China and I heard you might end up in jail for 15 days if got caught. Thank you for your advice.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1776963]I'll re-confirm Gregory and Levitan's endorsements.

I've seen WenLi many times and if available, she is always my first choice.

I always book 2 hours because her slow sensual techniques are amazing.[/QUOTE]I just finished my first ever session with her. Literally, she left like 20 minutes ago. Here is my assessment (keep in mind all of my current experience is in Saunas):

1) face: not pretty, but not ugly either. But wouldn't give her a 2nd look normally.

2) body: far too short for what I normally like (if she were in a sauna lineup, there is no way I would select her), however very well proportioned and without question the best tits I've seen in a very long time.

3) language: one of the best English speaking WG's I've been with in China.

4) personality: awesome. She is entirely fun and tells jokes in English (ok, childish jokes, but still.).

5) service: best word I can think of is "magical".

To be clear though, if you don't have patience, don't book her (if your looking for wham-bam-thank you mam, look elsewhere) - and I completely agree with Stegram and almost suggest a 2 hour minimum should be mandatory.

Cheers,

Taz.

Last night I went to the bbs strips near Longyang Lu Maglev station. There weren't as many places active on Yinghua Lu as on Dujuan lu. On Dujuan Lu they seemed younger so I went west down that street from Baiyang Lu.

The first one I tried was quite a beauty. She wanted 500 rmb. She and her partner just laughed when I offered 200. They wouldn't take 300 either. So I left. The next one wanted 400 and in advance. So I left. I had a good time there once before but even then there was an upsell. I guess they don't like foreigners or old guys.

Then I went to nearby Sacrosa Sauna which was my first love in Shanghai. The lineup was 20 girls and I had a great time with number 552. She is a little on the skinny side but that's nice to.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1778095]The first one I tried was quite a beauty. She wanted 500 rmb. She and her partner just laughed when I offered 200. They wouldn't take 300 either. So I left. The next one wanted 400 and in advance. So I left.[/QUOTE]They both explicitly stated multiple times that this was for only 20 minutes. I guess I didn't miss much.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;1777787]Hi Everybody,

I will visit Shanghai soon. I am just curious that, if any monger got caught during the sex act by police, what would be the punishment? As you guys probably know, prostitution is illegal in China and I heard you might end up in jail for 15 days if got caught. Thank you for your advice.[/QUOTE]This is a perrennial question on a few boards. Experiences and opinions vary. You may experience anything from being left alone, asked to give evidence against the girl or mamasan to paying a 'penalty' direct to the police through to administrative penalty of detention for as many days as the police deem appropriate (hard to explain to the boss or the missus) through to a full blown court case.

And NEVER EVER follow a tout to somewhere under any circumstances.

How likely is this to happen? Anyone's guess, be guided by what is written on the board about girl friendly hotels, take the usual precautions if picking up in the street (which has it's own dangers) and be alert if in a BBS or other service providers premises.

I have seen a couple of reports on various boards but that is a couple amongst thousands of reports.

Teltel.

Supposedly, prostitution is tolerated in HK and Macau. I read in the 9/2 issue of Ming Pao, the Hong Kong newspaper, about a police raid in 2 hotels in Kowloon on 9/1. They arrested 24 girls and 2 pimps. Another poster said those arrests were mainly for immigration violation. But there is this item in Firefox China today, about joint efforts by the Chinese, Hong Kong and Macau police to crack down on prostitution in those SAR. There was a raid in Macau on 9/17. They arrested 31 individuals (8 staff, 21 girls and 2 johns). The stated purpose of all those raids was eliminating vice, not immigration issues.

Hope the crackdown will not be spreading to more and more places, especially our beloved Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Ramrod;1776501]I am still confused. There is no hotel that goes by that name at the same address of Merrylin Hotel. In fact when I was in China last about 5 months back, the scaffolding was still on and had not reopened![/QUOTE]It's opened. Trust me.

[URL]http://map.baidu.com/detail?qt=ninf&uid=157f64e5e610876fc7f02566&detail=hotel&from=list[/URL]

Don't use google.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1778339]Supposedly, prostitution is tolerated in HK and Macau. I read in the 9/2 issue of Ming Pao, the Hong Kong newspaper, about a police raid in 2 hotels in Kowloon on 9/1. They arrested 24 girls and 2 pimps. Another poster said those arrests were mainly for immigration violation. But there is this item in Firefox China today, about joint efforts by the Chinese, Hong Kong and Macau police to crack down on prostitution in those SAR. There was a raid in Macau on 9/17. They arrested 31 individuals (8 staff, 21 girls and 2 johns). The stated purpose of all those raids was eliminating vice, not immigration issues.

Hope the crackdown will not be spreading to more and more places, especially our beloved Shanghai.[/QUOTE]To North South.

I don't know where you get your info from I am in Hong Kong now didn't hear about the crack down, most of the crack down in Macau and HK is for Immigration and drug violation, just incase you don't know there been many sauna and brothel closed down in Shanghai the last 5 yr not in Macau get your facts right don't believe everything you read.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=TallandHorny;1778357]It's opened. Trust me.

[URL]http://map.baidu.com/detail?qt=ninf&uid=157f64e5e610876fc7f02566&detail=hotel&from=list[/URL]

Don't use google.[/QUOTE]OK, according to the reviews the hotel just opened on July 21st.

Still pretty new. Sauna on the 3rd floor?

The reviews mention the 4th floor is a restaurant.

[QUOTE=Teltel;1778274]This is a perrennial question on a few boards. Experiences and opinions vary. You may experience anything from being left alone, asked to give evidence against the girl or mamasan to paying a 'penalty' direct to the police through to administrative penalty of detention for as many days as the police deem appropriate (hard to explain to the boss or the missus) through to a full blown court case.

And NEVER EVER follow a tout to somewhere under any circumstances.

How likely is this to happen? Anyone's guess, be guided by what is written on the board about girl friendly hotels, take the usual precautions if picking up in the street (which has it's own dangers) and be alert if in a BBS or other service providers premises.

I have seen a couple of reports on various boards but that is a couple amongst thousands of reports.

Teltel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1778339]Supposedly, prostitution is tolerated in HK and Macau. I read in the 9/2 issue of Ming Pao, the Hong Kong newspaper, about a police raid in 2 hotels in Kowloon on 9/1. They arrested 24 girls and 2 pimps. Another poster said those arrests were mainly for immigration violation. But there is this item in Firefox China today, about joint efforts by the Chinese, Hong Kong and Macau police to crack down on prostitution in those SAR. There was a raid in Macau on 9/17. They arrested 31 individuals (8 staff, 21 girls and 2 johns). The stated purpose of all those raids was eliminating vice, not immigration issues.

Hope the crackdown will not be spreading to more and more places, especially our beloved Shanghai.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1778535]To North South.

I don't know where you get your info from I am in Hong Kong now didn't hear about the crack down, most of the crack down in Macau and HK is for Immigration and drug violation, just incase you don't know there been many sauna and brothel closed down in Shanghai the last 5 yr not in Macau get your facts right don't believe everything you read.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Thank you all very much for your info.

I have a couple of friends living in Shanghai. They don't go to this kind of place, but they often heard the crackdown of sauna and brothel in Shanghai. Tricky part is that you don't know what to expect if got caught, unlike other countries with law clearly stating what is the punishment or no punishment for monger.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1778535]To North South.

I don't know where you get your info from I am in Hong Kong now didn't hear about the crack down, most of the crack down in Macau and HK is for Immigration and drug violation, just incase you don't know there been many sauna and brothel closed down in Shanghai the last 5 yr not in Macau get your facts right don't believe everything you read.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I just read on a Taiwanese forum that there was a huge raid in HK yesterday which resulted in 4000 arrests / detentions.

Again I have no way of verifying this information.

UPDATE: Just received news that this current purge will last till end of October for the Party's Central Committee meeting.

I had mentioned in my post the HK raid was in the 9/2/15 issue of Ming Pao,one of the most read newspapers in Hong Kong. I had also said in my post the Macau raid was from the News Section of FireFox China News yesterday. It was one of the featured stories along with 4 or 5 pictures of the girls under arrest. Go RTFS. This is the site, but the article was from 9/24/15 [URL]http://i.firefoxchina.cn/?from=ntab_bottom[/URL].

If you do not think Macau police does crack down on prostitution, read this: [URL]http://news.yahoo.com/macau-police-arrest-stanley-hos-nephew-over-prostitution-031529565--finance.html.[/URL] If you are not familiar with Macau, Stanley Ho was like Steve Wynn of Macau. Hotel Lisboa is a famous hotel in Macau.

I guess we all had the experience of picking a girl in the sauna line up (or pick up bars) , and when the clothes came off, it tuned into quite a disappointment because of sagging breasts, skins pocked with stretch marks or scars, or a fat tummy hidden cleverly by clothes. It happened again to me yesterday. I just said, too bad, and went ahead with the session, meanwhile regretting that I did not picked a different one.

But that reminded me of a sign I saw posted in the room of a sauna (actually a low brow one used by the locals. I saw the place in an ad, not that impressed after I tried, and had never went back). It said if you were not happy with your choice, you can say no within the first ten minutes and then chose again. I had not seen a sign like that, nor have seen that again in other saunas. But is there a satisfaction guaranteed policy in general, even if it was not posted?

I would probably not take advantage of such a policy even if there was one, because I do not want to be rude. But would you?

I think from now on I will just stick with the better saunas where the girls are picked by management for good looks, with or without clothes, so such policy is not needed.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1779676]But is there a satisfaction guaranteed policy in general, even if it was not posted?
I would probably not take advantage of such a policy even if there was one, because I do not want to be rude. But would you?[/QUOTE]

If it is just that she is a little disappointing then I agree with you not to be rude. Wearing an uplift or padded bra has always been fair play. Sometimes their tits are ruined by babies. The girls from Manhattan can lose a little appeal when their makup comes off.

There are limits though. The deal you make on the phone for a beautiful 20 year old who arrives 30 years older looking like the cleaning lady is an example. I was dumb enough to try to be polite and just do it with a couple of them. But no more. They are just taking us for the money and thinking we a jerks for falling for it.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1779676]I guess we all had the experience of picking a girl in the sauna line up (or pick up bars) , and when the clothes came off, it tuned into quite a disappointment because of sagging breasts, skins pocked with stretch marks or scars, or a fat tummy hidden cleverly by clothes. It happened again to me yesterday. I just said, too bad, and went ahead with the session, meanwhile regretting that I did not picked a different one.

But that reminded me of a sign I saw posted in the room of a sauna (actually a low brow one used by the locals. I saw the place in an ad, not that impressed after I tried, and had never went back). It said if you were not happy with your choice, you can say no within the first ten minutes and then chose again. I had not seen a sign like that, nor have seen that again in other saunas. But is there a satisfaction guaranteed policy in general, even if it was not posted?

I would probably not take advantage of such a policy even if there was one, because I do not want to be rude. But would you?

I think from now on I will just stick with the better saunas where the girls are picked by management for good looks, with or without clothes, so such policy is not needed.[/QUOTE]Well, there were a couple times where I realized the girl was wearing double bras after the clothes came off.

Yes, some saunas offer this satisfaction guaranteed policy, if you are not happy you can politely inform the girl that you don't like what you see or you can pick up the phone in the room yourself to ask for an exchange.

Though I rarely resort to that, the option is there. If you don't speak Chinese or if you are there during a busy time your options may be limited.

My last pick up in Judy's was a disappointment. She said she was 29. Clothes off, I'm guessing 39 after udressed. I had her for the night and threw her out after one pop. I wish I had paid her to leave and went back for anther. I walked away from much nicer ones earlier in the night and settled for that later in the night. Timing is everything. Sometimes you just are not ready to go. This girl also was very friendly jn the bar and turned into so so in the bed. No one to blame but myself on that one.

Been mongering around the world and I've come to the conclusion that Shanghai has by far the best HJ AMP's in the world.

In Jakarta, you can have sex with the massage girls. In Saigon, the massage girls are super friendly. Thailand has lots of AMP's. But IMHO they're all kind of crap.

The bottom line: none of the girls I've gotten (and I've gotten plenty) in those AMP's actually know how to give a proper HJ.

Whereas in Shanghai, I've never gotten a HJ that was anything less than competent. And, in fact, most of the HJ's I've gotten have been amazing.

Years ago, half of this forum was dedicated to HJ joints like Peacock and Tertiary. As those places went under, talk of rub and' tugs all but disappeared on this forum. Which is a shame, because, as I said, Shanghai still has by far the best HJ joints in the world.

For the past few years, I've been going to two HJ chains: Spring and Garden. There are dozens of Spring Massages around town. They've become quite pricey (278 RMB for a session), so I've abandoned them for Garden. Garden Massage also used to be a large chain around town, but recently many of their branches closed down and opened under a different name. Or shut down altogether.

There's only one original Garden Massage left. It just went through a total renovation. And let me tell you: it's HJ heaven.

So let me talk up Garden, because, brothers, I've been having amazing orgasms at this place for a mere 200 RMB a pop (now 218 RMB) at the very capable hands of an endless supply of really cute spinners. Most HJ girls in Shanghai know how to handle a didi, but the girls at Garden seem to really take pride in their sword-wielding skills.

Procedure: walk in the front door and ask for an oil massage. Usher will bring you to your room (all recently renovated and really nice). Shower in room. Some rooms are bigger than others. Be sure to ask for a big one. Usher will ask if you already know a girl. If you don't, you can tell him your specifications (eg thin, big breasts, etc.). Unlike at other HJ joints, I've never been disappointed with the girl they've assigned me at this place. The girls here are all really cute.

OK, so girl comes in. You shower and then get on the massage table. You'll be asked: oil or powder massage. IMHO oil massages are way better, so I always get oil.

Girl starts with a back massage, then starts milking your didi from under. Some girls are better than others at this, but really, we're talking about different levels of awesomeness here.

Next comes the flip. Here at Garden, the girls will immediately start sucking your nipples while intensely cuddling up to you. Tightly. Heavy petting is standard. Extras available starting at 100 RMB. Different girls, different mileage (but, personally, I've never been offered anything beyond exposed breasts).

Meanwhile, you're getting a freaking' amazing HJ. I've never had a bad one here. Girls have all been very friendly and I've never left unsatisfied.

Location: Intersection of Xietu Rd. And North Shuangfeng Rd. Signs are all in Chinese (pinyin: Ya Dan). No English. Location is tricky because see this is where Xietu Rd. Forks in two. With the other half becoming Nandan Rd.

I guess the best directions are: stand at the corner of Tianyaoqiao Rd. And Xietu Rd. (be careful: not Nandan Rd.). Walk east on Xietu. There should be a big gated apartment complex on your left. Walk to the end of the block. Garden is across the street.

Enjoy this while it lasts, because who knows how long this'll last. These HJ joints have been dying like flies in recent years.

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[QUOTE=SamCan;1779763]My last pick up in Judy's was a disappointment. She said she was 29. Clothes off, I'm guessing 39 after udressed.[/QUOTE]I call that the "taxi effect". I think Manhattan and Judy's are on purpose so "dark"! Mostly the light in the taxi will add the first 10 years already! If you are lucky, the bathroom light in your hotel room will not add another 10 years on her "age account", if you are unlucky, you will have picked up a 20 year old girl and wake up with a 40 year old lady.

Nevertheless, have fun.

[QUOTE=ShExpat;1779817]Whereas in Shanghai, I've never gotten a HJ that was anything less than competent. And, in fact, most of the HJ's I've gotten have been amazing.

Years ago, half of this forum was dedicated to HJ joints like Peacock and Tertiary. As those places went under, talk of rub and' tugs all but disappeared on this forum. Which is a shame, because, as I said, Shanghai still has by far the best HJ joints in the world.[/QUOTE]Peacock and Pheonix were fun places a bit dark though.

Haven't been back to Tertiary in ages did they really close? I stopped going there mostly because of lack of shower in the rooms.

Massage place in Xikang Rd / Kangding Rd health massage whatever was the first place I visited before those 2. Service was quiet basic though.

Haodifang in Pudong wasn't bad but it got shut down I believe.

There used to be an awesome place on maoming road between Weihai Road and Yan'an Road (closer to Yan'an Road than the current spring massage) but they shut it and replaced it with some addidas shop and now its a restaurant I believe.

The only Spring Massage I went to is this one on Maoming Road / weihai Road so I cannot comment on the others but I found it to be a bit too basic.

Some guys love Hansa at Wuzhong Rd near Guilin Rd. Not my favorite but it is quite ok with late 20's girls everything included in the 250-300's depending on service.

IMO the best of the best (if you like 90 min quality massage as well with a long slow happy ending) remains the massage places in Gubei such as Mont Blue and next door shops. And Hongmei Rd (several great looking 20-25's girls who often worked before at body or foot massage legit places). Its much more expensive (tip itself is in the 300 for HJ and all you can touch nowadays) but for me its just the perfect experience. I wish there would be this level of quality in Jingan. It seems Jingan is now more about the cheap places with BBBJ 250 RMB and shitty massage on a short 60 min timing.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1779676]I guess we all had the experience of picking a girl in the sauna line up (or pick up bars) , and when the clothes came off, it tuned into quite a disappointment because of sagging breasts, skins pocked with stretch marks or scars, or a fat tummy hidden cleverly by clothes. It happened again to me yesterday. I just said, too bad, and went ahead with the session, meanwhile regretting that I did not picked a different one.

But that reminded me of a sign I saw posted in the room of a sauna (actually a low brow one used by the locals. I saw the place in an ad, not that impressed after I tried, and had never went back). It said if you were not happy with your choice, you can say no within the first ten minutes and then chose again. I had not seen a sign like that, nor have seen that again in other saunas. But is there a satisfaction guaranteed policy in general, even if it was not posted?

I would probably not take advantage of such a policy even if there was one, because I do not want to be rude. But would you?

I think from now on I will just stick with the better saunas where the girls are picked by management for good looks, with or without clothes, so such policy is not needed.[/QUOTE]I recall one of my most disappointed experience with a friend w / benefits. The moment I saw this girl A, with 6 (0-10 scale), I knew it would be tough for me to go hard. She was so dark. When we on the bed, I came within 10 minutes. I intentionally did so. I want to get rid of her ASAP. Whom to blame? Me. Free of charge and I owe her one I think.

Was with my friend Cathy last trip. WOW she is learning new tricks-Great time again.

If you haven't been with Cathy your missing out!

[QUOTE=Marty47;1780333]Was with my friend Cathy last trip. WOW she is learning new tricks-Great time again.
If you haven't been with Cathy your missing out![/QUOTE]I really hate to be evil but: So you can teach an old dog new tricks then.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1780710]I really hate to be evil but: So you can teach an old dog new tricks then.[/QUOTE]With all due respect to any person possibly involved, how is Cathy, indeed? Anyone?

Just wondering if anyone here knows if the Park Hyatt in the World Finance center in Pudong is girl friendly? I'm assuming if the girl arrives before 10 pm there shouldn't be a problem. But I want to be sure.

Any information will be helpful!

Thanks!

My top choice recommended by experts for round two was unfortunately not to be due to unexpected 'natural causes'. Booked Maria largely on blind faith (and her photos). Easy to communicate with and set up appointment (answers her own phone). Good English. Showed up right on time. Was dressed in a nice dinner-type dress. She is tall (about 5'7" with a tight body, and elegant attractive businesswoman look. Very well proportioned for an Asian woman, nice figure eight, ample bosom, and grabbable butt.

The session: On the great side, she is one of the better kissers in the business, highly passionate and very good at it, and likes to DFK, a whole lot. Open to lots of stuff, save for greek and the 'weird stuff'. She really got into the session during FS, and I mean at an extreme level, got so loud that I was worried hotel security was going to knock on the door thinking I was killing someone. Smothering her with DFK helped a bit, but not much. She enjoyed so much that after we were done, she decided to hang out and and show one or two things about Shanghai. She was reluctant to leave eventually, but I had business to take care of. In between sessions she gave a massage, which turned out to be absolutely one of the two best I ever had anywhere, professional or otherwise. Because of her skill, I let her massage me for a full h. So had only 2 pops for the 2 h session. She gets very wet as well.

The not so great; her BBBJ was ordinary at best. I normally easily CIM with better than average skill. With her however, a whole day of BJ wouldn't have done the trick. I cut this part very short as a result. She also is more of a taker than a giver during FS, so if you are into taking charge and doing most of the work, you will enjoy her. I personally prefer taking the back seat some times. These minor issues partly explain why I took the long massage, which turned out to be an excellent move.

Overall, she knows hot make a man feel good and feel good about himself (about his skill in bed). However, people into dinner dates and social stuff would probably enjoy her a lot more than those into pop and go, based on her social skill and elegant looks.

I am out already but really enjoyed my time here. It is unbelievable how easy it is to get good service here, if a bit pricey. Didn't get the chance to try the riskier (but apparently cheaper) avenues, but then I think I am getting too old for that style of operation. The doomsday scenarios I read a ton about on the Internet about scammers and touts were surprisingly far between and laughably unpolished in my opinion; easy to spot and dismiss. Maybe I was lucky, but I think I have experienced far meaner streets than anything I experienced here. Even tried going up and down Nanjing road, both day and night, weekend and weekday, nothing! Busy bus and train stations, crowded train rides around SH, nothing! Seedy-looking back streets, nothing!

Can't wait for my next assignment to Shanghai.

So she got so many tricks to make man happy? Which ones are her best?

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1780710]I really hate to be evil but: So you can teach an old dog new tricks then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1778339]Supposedly, prostitution is tolerated in HK and Macau. I read in the 9/2 issue of Ming Pao, the Hong Kong newspaper, about a police raid in 2 hotels in Kowloon on 9/1. They arrested 24 girls and 2 pimps. Another poster said those arrests were mainly for immigration violation. But there is this item in Firefox China today, about joint efforts by the Chinese, Hong Kong and Macau police to crack down on prostitution in those SAR. There was a raid in Macau on 9/17. They arrested 31 individuals (8 staff, 21 girls and 2 johns). The stated purpose of all those raids was eliminating vice, not immigration issues.

Hope the crackdown will not be spreading to more and more places, especially our beloved Shanghai.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is LEGAL in HK. Living of the proceeds of prostitution (I. E. : pimping) is ILLEGAL.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;1781122]Haha so you are dog expert?[/QUOTE]The only dog I have experience of came from SNG. She robbed me of 2000 and left in 20 minutes. I was glad she left.

She should have taken your dog trick course. Haha.

Last night the Royal Massage by the Hilton was a construction site.

There may not be much points in debating prostitution laws in Hong Kong in the Shanghai forum, but there is a difference between legal, like in the Netherlands, where legislation was passed and enacted, vs not prohibited (as tolerated, the term I used.), which is the situation in Hong Kong. If there is such a law in Hong Kong, please cite that by Act, Chapter, section and clause in the Law Acts. It is an offense to engage in public solicitation, living off earnings of prostitutes, or maintaining a vice establishment. Thus many working girls work alone out of a flat. [URL]www.hkelaw.com/[/URL].

The South China Morning Post also had this article in Feb 18,2014 talking Hong Kong Police's reaction to the Dongguan raids: "Yesterday, Commissioner of Police Andy Tsang Wai-hung said as a result of the raids, police in Hong Kong would be increasing operations against vice establishments. "To prevent the sex trade from proliferating in Hong Kong, we have stepped up our operations against the sex trade recently," he said after a radio interview. ".

And: "In 2012, Hong Kong signed a tripartite agreement with Macau and Guangdong to tackle cross-border crimes, with the sex trade a key part of the collaboration.

Police would not release figures on the number of sex workers they have arrested in recent years or the number of vice establishments that have been raided or shut down. ".

[URL]www.hkelaw.com[/URL] also reported on the trial and conviction of the operator of an online directory for prostitutes, where they have pictures, services offered, and contact information. He did not work as a pimp. Just some techie doing the local version of Craigs List. He got 18 months in prison.

If you are saying, as a John, you will not be arrested, put in jail, fined and possibly deported if you are caught buying sex in Hong Kong, unlike in China, you are probably right. That may be the only practical aspect about prostitution laws we as mongerers are really concern about.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1781327]Last night the Royal Massage by the Hilton was a construction site.[/QUOTE]Do you mean to say there were lots of poundings and hammerings there?

[QUOTE=Ahehehe;1780744]With all due respect to any person possibly involved, how is Cathy, indeed? Anyone?[/QUOTE][URL]cathyshanghai.com[/URL]

Check her out.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1781473]Do you mean to say there were lots of poundings and hammerings there?[/QUOTE]No. It was a construction site as in workers and the place was gutted.

[QUOTE=Ahehehe;1780744]With all due respect to any person possibly involved, how is Cathy, indeed? Anyone?[/QUOTE]This site was here for me when I first started coming to Shanghai and really needed it. That is why I care.

I do not intend to pick on anyone. My problem is that there is a lot of "not the best advice" being given here on ISG in support of external commercial interests.

If you are new to Shanghai your absolute best bet is to go to a sauna.

So first time back here in a few years. I used to be a regular at Sacros and Yuping (once a month) back when I came to shanghai every month and the exchange rate wasn't so shitty.

So yesterday I went to Bodi, had been once before and enjoyed myself. Turned up at 1200 as that's what I read online. No girls til 1300.

OK so I watched TV and smoked a lot.

Off to the fishbowl, to be fair I had a boner looking at the girls, but none made any eye contact, it was all 'don't pick me evil westerner with your vagina destroying western penis'.

Took number 538, average height with sexy curves (not fat but nice tits and hips, small ass, nice legs).

Off to the room. Nuru was interesting. I imagine that's what a sex robot is like, performs the actions well but to be fair it was robotic. Mind you, compared to south america every experience (bar a few in yuping back in 07/08) in China which I have.

Had in a sauna was a bit mechanical.

Still, she did her thing and I had a raging boner so I guess it worked.

Off to the bed, then it started. You know. The 'hand job no fucking' routine. Ok so I am larger than average but I'm not packing a fucking nuclear submarine. At least give it a go, why'know. Spinners in Bangkok have taken it up the shitter, surely a Chinese cutie won't split in two.

Anyways, her ass rimming was wonderful so we settled on her eating my ass and giving me a tug at the same time. Shot a load in her mouth which she promptly hacked up and spat into a bucket.

Have decided that I am done with saunas here. Am fortunate enough to travel a lot and I'd rather spend the money somewhere that the girls are good at faking enjoyment rather than moaning like porno stars when they are rubbing my cock, who are they trying to kid. At least in somewhere like Buenos Aires or Rio I come away.

Actually wondering if the chick did like me (although we all know they don't, they can put it on rather well).

Don't get me wrong, turn back the clock a few years when I had done less international mongering and my mind would have been blown and for someone who deosn't get here much, I thoroughly recommend the Bodi experience, it was definitely the cutest lineup I have seen here. I think I amd just jaded.

Anyways, deciding to stick to HJ's in future in China, because a good handjob is WIN, Today I stopped by the Lofty Club massage Spa, Lancun Lu / Yanggao Nan Lu, across from the Hilton Doubletree and beside Red Lips bar and a few other massage joints (Hilton BTW has the paradise sauna and today it looked closed at 1430 - not a bad thing as it was always full of strategically dressed miserable cunts).

Have been to lofty in the past, its 400 for a 90 min oil massage, I paid 300 for an hour (not on the menu) with number 6, an early 30's cutie with a sparkle in her eye.

Showered, decent back massage for my cricked neck and then onto some excellently done oil / ass work. Hard as a rock. Flipped over, negotiated 300 tip as I was feeling generous and actually turned on by her tender ministrations to my balls and asshole. Nothing mechanical here.

So she sits between my legs and proceeds to give me a 20 minute oily handjob whilst making sure my prostate is OK, lots of eye contact and smiles. Shot a load. Showered, left. Very content. Much rather have something like that than a girl moaning as if she is having multiple orgasms just because she is soaping my back.

Anyhow.

I don't contribute nearly as much as I should. Maybe I can stay motivated.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1781792]This site was here for me when I first started coming to Shanghai and really needed it. That is why I care.

.[/QUOTE]I will agree with you. In my beginning here, there seemed to be more reports, more people sharing and less one poster wonders asking for summaries so they didn't have to read the forum. I am not sure what happened. If it was the windy city that made things go underground or there are just no stories to tell.

My thanks to those that continue to post relevant information. My trips to Shanghai are limited now, but I always try to bring back new information on my return.

[QUOTE=Mike921;1781175]Prostitution is LEGAL in HK. Living of the proceeds of prostitution (I. E. : pimping) is ILLEGAL.[/QUOTE]

My understanding of Hong Kong prostitution is that it is only legal if it is 1 woman in a single apartment. They will put up a yellow sign or notice to attract customers. I was never approached on the street there.

I did go to a proper "working girl" house in Kowloon that even had a neon sign but the drill was: The madam brings in the girls, you pick one and then the two of you go upstairs and rent an "apartment complete with shower room and bedroom" to do the deed in. That makes it 1 woman in 1 apartment.

Also they have whole apartment buildings or several floors of one dedicated to 1 woman in 1 apartment units. You can start at the top and knock on doors until one likes you and lets you in. They have tv monitors to see who it is. They advertise on web sites but in Cantonese.

It was a few years ago but the Wan Chai red light district was ripping till dawn with Thai and Philippine girls. A couple of years later they closed one very famous joint there down because Columbian girls were coming there and refused to stop selling coke.

Off the top of my head the crackdown going on there might be motivated by organized crime in the background. Drug dealing specifically. The press is periodically howling about prostitution in Shenzhen as well.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1588463]I just got back from SH. I went to wanhang du a couple times this trip. I have been there before but it has changed. They walk me to the room, bring the girl. Ask me if the girl is ok. (I don't know what happens if you say no. As I just went with it). The menu is either HJ for 268 or BBBJ for 328. I asked the girl the first time about a condom and the mamasan the second time. Both times the answer was no. There is however a BBBJ in store for you if that is what you are looking for. .

I chose the HJ. Routine is the same there but different than other shops. I had 2 girls routine didn't change.

1. you shower and are not given shorts to wear.

2. the girl massages your lower back and then takes off her top and switches to breast massage.

3. the girl then switches to body lick (with her actual tongue, not the ball thing) from your ears to your calfs to include the inside of your legs.

4. on the flip she continues the routine and ends with a HJ and a clean up.

5. repeat shower at the end if you like.

The 2 girls I had were bigger girls from Hubei. They definately had enough up top to do a breast massage. The first one was fine. The second was a little too "fluffy" for my tastes. When the second girl took off her top, I noticed she had a belly. I mean like 3 months pregnant belly. She probably wasn't but you understand,.
I like small thin spinners. This girl has some large breasts if that was your thing. She was in her 20's and pretty in a heavy kind of way.

The first girl was prettier, younger and on the lighter side. She was #8. She was be my choice if I did it again.

Twice was enough for me. , however. No tip is asked for or expected. I gave the first girl a tip for 100 as the service was good. She smiled and was surprised.

Keep that in mind when you go.[/QUOTE]

I went yesterday and chose the bj option which they charged me 338 for plus I gave the girl a 50 rmb tip for bravely doing cim. She was surprised and pleased.

When I arrived there were 2 young as in their early 20's and thinish girl next door looking girls in the lobby. One took me to a room and asked if she was ok which she was.

She offered FS for 500 but I declined in favor of bbbj cim which was included with the 338 rmb. Service was as SamCan described and unhurried and friendly.

Last night about 6:30 there were 3 bbs's open on Anyuan Lu. The lights were out but the girls were sitting by the glass. They looked good but I was done already.

Visited the Buddha place on Changping, just west of Shanxi. Lots has been said about this place, but it is currently worthwhile. 268 gets you a BBBJCIM and a full hour. The drill was, guy at desk escorts you to the room and gives you a numbered tag. You use this for payment later. Girl stops by, and if you tell her she is ok, she will ask you to take a shower. Wash yourself well. Dry off and lay down. Girl returns and does a regular massage, followed by removing her top and giving you a boob massage and water in the mouth massage. Then you flip, and she pretty much goes to work on Johnny. Last girl took it all in her mouth. Then she goes out to clean her mouth, and asks you to take another shower. When she returns, you get a massage for the rest of the hour.

At some point she may ask if you want to add time. The total price for two hours is exactly double one hour. I don't recommend it unless you are good for 2 shots in two hours.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1782891]Visited the Buddha place on Changping, just west of Shanxi. Lots has been said about this place, but it is currently worthwhile. 268 gets you a BBBJCIM and a full hour. The drill was, guy at desk escorts you to the room and gives you a numbered tag. You use this for payment later. Girl stops by, and if you tell her she is ok, she will ask you to take a shower. Wash yourself well. Dry off and lay down. Girl returns and does a regular massage, followed by removing her top and giving you a boob massage and water in the mouth massage. Then you flip, and she pretty much goes to work on Johnny. Last girl took it all in her mouth. Then she goes out to clean her mouth, and asks you to take another shower. When she returns, you get a massage for the rest of the hour.

At some point she may ask if you want to add time. The total price for two hours is exactly double one hour. I don't recommend it unless you are good for 2 shots in two hours.[/QUOTE]I am fascinated with the experience, BBBJCIM cannot be passed up, I typically end up going to bodi or shiyuanhuishuo across from intercontinental in pudong.

Can you please specify if this is pudong or puxi and whether the roads are specifically changping lu and shanxi lu? Also is the buddha a sign that they have?

Cheers.

If you are in Puxi at the corner of Shaanxi North and Changping Lu go to the north west corner and walk west down Changping Lu 40 meters. There is a strip mall there. Now there are 2 massage places in the mall but the Buda Place is the furthest west. It has a big Chinese sign with a smaller less prominent English word MASSAGE at the bottom right on it. In the doorway will be a large poster Buddha face. Go inside and upstairs and you will see a Buda statue and find the reception desk.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1782731]Last night about 6:30 there were 3 bbs's open on Anyuan Lu. The lights were out but the girls were sitting by the glass. They looked good but I was done already.[/QUOTE]This morning I've been there to check the situation and found that shops are still open. I say that because 15 days ago I found that all shops were closed and without any glass windows, so I supposed police had quit everything.

So can you confirm that now action is going on?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Emzchi;1783619]So can you confirm that now action is going on?

Thanks[/QUOTE]They are not sitting behind glass in dark rooms to get moontanned. Of course there is action.

I didn't go in because I was done already. They looked good to me, and hungry like cats looking at a mouse.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1783841]They are not sitting behind glass in dark rooms to get moontanned. Of course there is action.

I didn't go in because I was done already. They looked good to me, and hungry like cats looking at a mouse.[/QUOTE]I gave a look also this morning and, even if early time, I saw some actions. For for sure not as before.

The fact. Being relaxed to go or worried about police checking?

In the past I often used their services from different shops and was quite good for the paid price.

For a location to the Wanhang Du massage and BJ place this is what I found in my notes. It is not easy to find unless you have been there before.

[QUOTE]where Wuning South (not Wuding) dead ends at Wanhangdu. There's a traffic light at that intersection. Right at that traffic light on the south side of Wanhangdu there is a spinning green foot massage barber pole next to an alley. Down the alley there is a sign "24 hour massage"[/QUOTE]

This alleyway west off Wanhang Du Lu is a good 15 minutes walk north on Wanhang Du starting from Jing An Temple. Wanhangdu starts just a bit north from the west side of the temple.

What I noticed and think is a recent change is that there was a big sign down the alley that says "Alley Bar". If you see anything like that go there and stand in front of the glass door until a girl lets you in. I am trying to get better directions and will post them.

[QUOTE]from Jing An Temple (Line 2). To get there, take exit 1 and cross the street, walking down huashanlu (?) until it becomes wanhangdu lu, and keep going until it intersects with wuning lu. On the left side, there's an alleyway with a large '24 hour massage' sign hanging over it.[/QUOTE]

I got a couple PMs from people looking for directions as well. Five Aces directions are accurate. When Wuning dead ends into Wanhang du, the road looks like an offset letter "Y" assuming you are heading north and Jing An is behind you, the alley is right there on the left. If you walk beyond that intersection you went too far.

15 minute walk from Jing An is about right. I remember it being 25-30 minutes to the Hilton from there.

I recall a "24 H hours massage" sign but frankly stopped going there for other venues. Five Aces instructions on the alley bar sign is definitely more current.

Enjoy and report back

Sam Can.

Well, I'm back in Shanghai after three years. More than happy to get together for a drink and some girl hunting. Anyone know if Swissotel is girl friendly.

Thanks, John.

Hey fellas,

This is a way overdue post. I wanted to try out a Chinese girl from China while in China. Not being able to read or write Mandarin, I decided to use an escort service. I found shanghai nightlife guide and went through the list of girls and read the reviews. From the looks of it, and the best value was Maria. She looked super sexy from the photos and not photoshopped too much. I add her on whatsapp and we begin to have a conversation. Her English texting skills aren't great, which is funny, because she's great at speaking English. I ask her about her options and when she was available. My basic requests are DFK, BBBJ, and CIM, which she said yes to all three, even saying she likes CIM. Wow, she's an Angel. She also provides an incall, which was just a hotel located near Jingan Temple. During the conversation she sends me some more pictures of herself and I send her a picture of me. She wasn't immediately available, as she's from the northern part of China, near the North Korea border. I had to wait a week, and the anticipation was killer.

The day comes and I meet up with her. She meets me outside of the hotel, and she looks fantastic in person, with a nice looking body from her tight clothing. We go into the hotel, and she's a great conversationalist. She really puts you at ease with compliments and flirting. We jump into the shower, and her body is nice. Big round perky see or the cups (real), decently thin, but not much of a booty (don't expect this from Asian girls from Asia). She has a red flower tattoo above her vjay, and it looks like it's to cover up a scar, might have bee a see-section. She cleans me up and does a little bit of a BBBJ in the shower. We head to the bed, and she continues her BBBJ, very sloppy, lots of noise making, eye contact, works the balls, deep throat, the whole works. She was going at it for 15 minutes, and I was ready to bang her, but she thought I wanted to CIM first! Wow, what a girl. Earlier in the day I couldn't handle the anticipation, so I rubbed one out, and because of this, I could probably have gone all night.

We put the cover on, and I get on top. She is very reactive to everything I ask for and does so without hesisation. She DFKs me a lot, but her kissing technique is too aggressive, she tongue punches my mouth, it's not a sensual type of kiss at all, more animalistic. We do mish, and something about her stomach is acting weird. Her belly sinks into her body, especially around the tattoo area, which tells me she definitely may have had a child, which is no big deal for me, nor did I care enough to ask. There's also stretch marks around that area if you guys care about stuff like that.

We pound for 30 minutes, and I thought I was ready to nut, so I stand up on the bed and she bbbjs me trying to suck it out while I skullf at #k, but nothing, and at this point, I realize I may not be able to come. So I have her lie down next to me, while she massages my family jewels, and I stroke myself on her tiggle bitties, which she wets the nipple. She speaks some sexy Chinese to me trying to help me. It's been another 20 minutes, and I'm not even close. She got bored, so she starts playing and fingerbanging herself. I go and help her, and realize she isn't even wet, she was doing it to help me nut. She tasted sweet though.

Another 10 minutes of stroking myself, on her wet boobs, I finally nut, and she brings her mouth to my head to catch it all. Sucks every drop. Spits it in the bathroom, we shower, and then I leave. Maria is a fantastic girl that's very submissive to all of my requests, there didn't seem like anything she wouldn't do to help me have a good experience. Although she's a bit more expensive than what I'm used to, the value is there because everything is on the menu. 1500 rmb for an hour, which felt like forever.

Face: 7. 5.

Body: 8.

Service: 9.

Tom Katt-good report!

Sam Can.

Thanks Five Aces and SamCan for the directions. I will check it out in the next couple weeks and make a field report.

Have fun out there!

Hello friends,

I am scheduled to arrive in Shanghai again next Friday and I wanted to check the weather conditions from the friends I made last time on this board. I would prefer to go to a really nice massage or bbs place but I don't want to be in fear that I get arrested. One never knows what could happen in Shaqnghai on a windy day. I always wear a raincoat and have yellow boots and umbrella. Any guidance you may provide is very much happy to me to. Thanks you all and see you in October.

First, found a clutch of f* shacks on Dongbo Lu. Don't know where that is? Closest metro stop is Donglu Road metro. There's about a dozen places on the stretch between Pudong DaDao and Xingyun Road. Rode past on the bike in the moddle of the afternoon and looked like some decent talent. Probably usual pricing. Didn; t sample.

Second, a value-for-money he place on Zhangyang Lu and Boxing Lu. It's on the northwest corner of that intersection, you climb a flight of stairs to get there, go for #3, she gives a great he massage. She's not what you'd call a looker, but has a certain MILFy charm. No extras, but that's not what you go for there. RMB160 without tip for massage + he. There's a shower in the room too so the experience feels a little more high end than the price tag. Have not tried the others at that place, I only go for her now and again.

Third, Huakang Foot Bath place on Minsheng Lu, just north of Zhangyang on the west side of the road. What a deal! RMB120 for pretty solid massage + he. The facilities are. Not exceptional. And there doesn't seem to be a shower facility. But the quality is there even if the ladies are not lookers. At very least there are a few 5-6's so we're not talking fat aunties here.

All these places better if you speak Chinese obviously. Laowais don't show up there much.

Enjoy!

Hi guys,

I have been using the forum from time to time so I thought I would share some of my experience here.

Here are the few spots I have been lately:

1. Corner of Changping Lu and Shaanxi Bei Lu. When you walk on Shaanxi Bei Lu, there is a wine bar called UVA on your left, keep walking north. On your left you will find a massage place.

You are welcome, take a shower in the massage room. A lady comes and gives you an average oil massage, very quickly she licks your asshole like there is no tomorrow, even tried to tongue fucked me. Flip over, BBBJCIM.

Shower, you pay, you leave. Cost about 250-300 RMB. Can't remember.

2. Buddha place. Similar experience but nicer environment, girls are better looking. They use a fake tongue when it comes to rimming.

3. Bodi is the best spa I have been, but I have not been there for a year or so. I would not know lately.

4. Cheap he massage on Jiazhou Road. When walking north from Jing An temple, it is on your left. It's located on a small lane on your left hand side, between Xinzha Lu and Wuding Lu. Enter the lane, go to the end. The massage joint in next to a Youth Hostel (guest house).

I recall massage + he to be about 168 RMB. No shower.

There used to be a nice massage parlor next to Urbn Hotel, it was called Sugar and Spice, very sensual, lots of oil, good he. Now it has been replaced by a Dragon Fly.

5. I used to go often to Jinlin Massage, on Xikang Lu, next to Kangding Lu. It was closed for a while, I don't know if they opened again and what they offer. They used to have a great prostate massage for about 350 RMB.

Skilled masseuse, great time. I will try again next time.

6. Escort: I tried Cathy. Type Cathy beauty escort, Shanghai in google, you will find her. She is a porn star that will try her best to please you. Not ugly, not a beauty, I would say a 6.

She does deep throat like a champ, anal, she can be submissive too. Was good to try, don't know if I will repeat and I did not connect with her much. She was more like a tool.

That's it for today.

Hi guys,

I know I have to read the Forum.

But I make a round trip.

So I can't read all the forum for each town. It is impossible.

Can you tell me a good area, in Shangai. Where a good hotel is and around a lot of places? Or Ningbo also.

Same as in Guangzhou garden Hotel. Or Hong Kong Mong Kok etc. Good hotel and a lot of girls around.

So it would be great if somebody has information for me.

Thanks

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It's been a while since I last posted any updates, I've been on again and off again for a while. And I've also gotten comfortable going to the same places. However, some useful information:

With minghui shut down, the sauna just a bit further west has gotten incredibly busy. They have plenty of girls, but not nearly enough rooms to handle the volume. My last time there (granted, it was a Friday night) was so busy, they ran out of lounge rooms and had people literally sitting in the halls (was kinda a funny picture. A bunch of horny guys with their selected girls just sitting around.). They have a new place opening up at the end of the month and my English speaking contact is moving there. Contact me for details.

I've also found a little gem (at least in my mind). It is walking distance from laoweijie. The place is small and old, but amazingly clean and well kept up for the age. The quality of selection is on par with not only the place mentioned above, but kang ding as well. Prices are better than both. Contact me for details, however on this one I have to apologize in advance, I'm only going to give out the details to 'contributing' members. The place is small and not busy, and I'd like to keep it that way. I'm also guessing that very few people on this board are aware of it.

Taz.

*** has sensational reviews on her. Don't doubt their authenticity, but was a bit surprised most rated her an 8 in looks, and some even a 9, which *** equates to model material. Really? A "9" would cause me to take notice on the street. Clearly, with Wenli that's not the case. She lists her age as 28 but is clearly older, also has stretch marks. Maybe I just have different tastes than other guys, don't know. I do think Wenli is in great shape for her age, but would not go beyond that.

On the other hand, Wenli's performance over the 2 hours was quite commendable. Her English is good, which is a plus for non-Chinese speakers. She sucks very well and follows any and all instructions. Attitude is excellent. Absolutely no up-sell.

I don't mean to demean a performer that many on this board really like. However, I do think we all have to work from accurate information.

Gents,

Well guys I've been had, conned, wool pulled over my eyes, the whole works. Mainly I've been stupid. I was browsing wechat, in the people nearby section. Which works pretty well for me. I've had quite a few dates using WeChat. Of course there are plenty of WG's on there too. Usually touts selling the girls straight up front, you can't mistake their intentions. I stay clear from those most of the time. So I see this pretty office lady (she turns out to be 26), she replies me back pretty quickly. Not much english but I can work around that with the translation option within Wechat. We just do some chitchat and decide to meet up. She was having dinner but she can meet me around 8. 30 pm. I pick her up outside the hotel, she lives and works nearby and is actually on foot. We have coffee at a nearby coffeeshop. We talk about work and relationships. At one point I think she is pretty traditional but she lets me touch her a bit on the back and legs. I do catch for a quick moment that she says she works at a bar. But her english is bad and I must have been mistaken right? I pay for the coffee, she wants to go to a bar. I thought that was what she was trying to tell me earlier. I guess that's what I wanted to hear. I say I have some drinks in my room. She actually seems hesitant but we are off. Even worse, one of my coworkers walks straight up to me. Seems she doesn't notice me but there is no time to duck. I just turn my back towards her and walk backwards past her. I do think she noticed me though. There will be questions in the morning at breakfast sigh.

I get the girl up to my room and again just chitchat. She does curl up to me a bit and we share a beer. Talking about marriage and how we see our future. She needs to use the restroom and afterwards she says she will go home. I'm like what do you mean? Why? She asks me if I want her to stay. Sure I do! Well she will for a little tip. She catches me completly off guard, and I say sure. She wants 1600 rmb. I don't even have that laying around, I did not prepare to go p4 p. But the mongerer in me kicks in and I say that I don't have that. She wants me to do a counter offer. I tell her 600, that's all I have and is normally the prices those touts will drop to after some haggling. I'm actually contemplating if I want this actually, especially when she counters with 800. Again I tell her I have only 600. Ok darling and starts to kiss me. Well the price isn't that bad, not great either and I've been caught by a coworker so better to make the best out of this. Sadly no DATY and no fingering too. She made me pop twice though so that's pretty standard stuff.

I would say that I had fun, but I felt like a complete noob the whole time, still wrapping my head around how I could have missed this, the hunter becoming the hunted, the damage wasn't that big except for my ego and confidence. Well I'm not an veteran mongerer like some of you, but lesson learned. Pictures on a profile doesn't really tell you anything and especially those not being photoshopped and particularly sexy. Would I have chosen her if I had known she was a WG? Definitely not. It wasn't anything special. Freebie good but not for a 600 rmb WG.

I'll just keep saying it was the jetlag dammit!

DAY 2.

Funny thing happend today and again did not expect that. Luckely no questions at breakfast or anything. I guess my coworker did not see me or did not care, she did keep her mouth shut and apparently did not tell anyone cause nobody mentioned anything, and if you know women well I'm sure they could not resist asking me something if they knew I was spotted with a local.

But the most interested thing happend tonight. First I need to tell you that yesterday I acted totally innocent towards the girl I had sex with. Telling her I did not expect her to be a working girl, even saying that I thought she was too pretty to be doing that kind of job. (yeah I know it's not the nicest thing to do and frankly I did not now why I said that at all, even telling her that this was my first time p4 p) well I guess I hit a nerve with her. I was ready to go to bed and watch a movie on my laptop when I suddenly got a message from the girl again, asking me if I want to see her tonight. I'm totally surprised by this and tell her sure but not if it will cost me money again, I already blew my budget last night on her so I was really expecting a quiet night. She does not reply and I start up the movie. About 30 minutes later another text telling me to come pick her up in the lobby. Quickly I change my clothes and go downstairs, sure enough I meet her halfway towards the elevators. Back in my room she gets comfortable. Again I say that she is welcome to stay but I have no money to spend. Well she wants me to be her boyfriend and even come live with me. I actually play along and we end up in bed together, getting off two times before we fall asleep.

I apologise to everyone that feels I've been terrible to her, I kind of feel the same way and I'm fully aware that this turns girls off towards guys but I think she will go back to p4 p quickly. She said she would look for another job now that I was her boyfriend and taking care of her. Of course that's not going to happen. Don't know why I did that and say the things I did and I have mixed feelings about it all, then again I think it's a funny story, completly unexpected and quite a surprise.

Cheers.

ALC.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1787469]But the most interested thing happend tonight. First I need to tell you that yesterday I acted totally innocent towards the girl I had sex with. Telling her I did not expect her to be a working girl, even saying that I thought she was too pretty to be doing that kind of job. (yeah I know it's not the nicest thing to do and frankly I did not now why I said that at all, even telling her that this was my first time p4 p) well I guess I hit a nerve with her. I was ready to go to bed and watch a movie on my laptop when I suddenly got a message from the girl again, asking me if I want to see her tonight. I'm totally surprised by this and tell her sure but not if it will cost me money again, I already blew my budget last night on her so I was really expecting a quiet night. She does not reply and I start up the movie. About 30 minutes later another text telling me to come pick her up in the lobby. Quickly I change my clothes and go downstairs, sure enough I meet her halfway towards the elevators. Back in my room she gets comfortable. [/QUOTE]Don't be upset, if she was naive enough to think you'd just on board her like that, she kind of deserved it. Just like you deserved to pay 600 RMB for a session with her.

I'll be back in ShangHai soon. Last time it was 2012. I think a lot has changed. I used to go exclusively to sauna places. Always found super pretty girls and paid 700 RMB / h. Never been disappointed.

Next time I'll try WeChat.

P.S: If you have an android phone you can fake your location and pretend to be in another town. I guess it is useful to prepare your stay (the real freebie will wait).

A bit confused. Reading the first line, I was expecting you to have fallen into a tout trick or an experience similar to our old friend from Tiajuana. Sounds like you got of quite well and little or no harm done. I don't know you but I would not be surprised if your coworkers know more than you think. It's the same case with mine.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1787469]Gents,

Well guys I've been had, conned, wool pulled over my eyes, the whole works. Mainly I've been stupid. I was browsing wechat, in the people nearby section. Which works pretty well for me. I've had quite a few dates using WeChat. Of course there are plenty of WG's on there too. Usually touts selling the girls straight up front, you can't mistake their intentions. I stay clear from those most of the time. So I see this pretty office lady (she turns out to be 26), she replies me back pretty quickly. Not much english but I can work around that with the translation option within Wechat. We just do some chitchat and decide to meet up. She was having dinner but she can meet me around 8. 30 pm. I pick her up outside the hotel, she lives and works nearby and is actually on foot. We have coffee at a nearby coffeeshop. We talk about work and relationships. At one point I think she is pretty traditional but she lets me touch her a bit on the back and legs. I do catch for a quick moment that she says she works at a bar. But her english is bad and I must have been mistaken right? I pay for the coffee, she wants to go to a bar. I thought that was what she was trying to tell me earlier. I guess that's what I wanted to hear. I say I have some drinks in my room. She actually seems hesitant but we are off. Even worse, one of my coworkers walks straight up to me. Seems she doesn't notice me but there is no time to duck. I just turn my back towards her and walk backwards past her. I do think she noticed me though. There will be questions in the morning at breakfast sigh.

I get the girl up to my room and again just chitchat. She does curl up to me a bit and we share a beer. Talking about marriage and how we see our future. She needs to use the restroom and afterwards she says she will go home. I'm like what do you mean? Why? She asks me if I want her to stay. Sure I do! Well she will for a little tip. She catches me completly off guard, and I say sure. She wants 1600 rmb. I don't even have that laying around, I did not prepare to go p4 p. But the mongerer in me kicks in and I say that I don't have that. She wants me to do a counter offer. I tell her 600, that's all I have and is normally the prices those touts will drop to after some haggling. I'm actually contemplating if I want this actually, especially when she counters with 800. Again I tell her I have only 600. Ok darling and starts to kiss me. Well the price isn't that bad, not great either and I've been caught by a coworker so better to make the best out of this. Sadly no DATY and no fingering too. She made me pop twice though so that's pretty standard stuff.

I would say that I had fun, but I felt like a complete noob the whole time, still wrapping my head around how I could have missed this, the hunter becoming the hunted, the damage wasn't that big except for my ego and confidence. Well I'm not an veteran mongerer like some of you, but lesson learned. Pictures on a profile doesn't really tell you anything and especially those not being photoshopped and particularly sexy. Would I have chosen her if I had known she was a WG? Definitely not. It wasn't anything special. Freebie good but not for a 600 rmb WG.

I'll just keep saying it was the jetlag dammit!

DAY 2.

Funny thing happend today and again did not expect that. Luckely no questions at breakfast or anything. I guess my coworker did not see me or did not care, she did keep her mouth shut and apparently did not tell anyone cause nobody mentioned anything, and if you know women well I'm sure they could not resist asking me something if they knew I was spotted with a local.

But the most interested thing happend tonight. First I need to tell you that yesterday I acted totally innocent towards the girl I had sex with. Telling her I did not expect her to be a working girl, even saying that I thought she was too pretty to be doing that kind of job. (yeah I know it's not the nicest thing to do and frankly I did not now why I said that at all, even telling her that this was my first time p4 p) well I guess I hit a nerve with her. I was ready to go to bed and watch a movie on my laptop when I suddenly got a message from the girl again, asking me if I want to see her tonight. I'm totally surprised by this and tell her sure but not if it will cost me money again, I already blew my budget last night on her so I was really expecting a quiet night. She does not reply and I start up the movie. About 30 minutes later another text telling me to come pick her up in the lobby. Quickly I change my clothes and go downstairs, sure enough I meet her halfway towards the elevators. Back in my room she gets comfortable. Again I say that she is welcome to stay but I have no money to spend. Well she wants me to be her boyfriend and even come live with me. I actually play along and we end up in bed together, getting off two times before we fall asleep.

I apologise to everyone that feels I've been terrible to her, I kind of feel the same way and I'm fully aware that this turns girls off towards guys but I think she will go back to p4 p quickly. She said she would look for another job now that I was her boyfriend and taking care of her. Of course that's not going to happen. Don't know why I did that and say the things I did and I have mixed feelings about it all, then again I think it's a funny story, completly unexpected and quite a surprise.

Cheers.

ALC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1787448]However, I do think we all have to work from accurate information.[/QUOTE]I am one who gave her stellar marks, and to my eyes they are deserved.

Scores for appearance are completely subjective to one's own taste and the system of grading appearance or service by numbers should be done away with completely.

What one guys finds appealing has nothing at all to do with what others might like. I know. I live in LOS Angeles and I see hordes of guys druelling over girls with asses that are as wide as a truck with ample cottage cheese to go with it.

That's what they like and they score accordingly. Personally, you couldn't pay ME to partake, but that is just my taste and those guy aren't wrong. Read the reviews if you want facts, don't go by numbers.

Also, a PM to reviewers might garner you more complete intel if you're looking for it.

[QUOTE=Mvulane;1787481]

Next time I'll try WeChat.

P.S: If you have an android phone you can fake your location and pretend to be in another town. I guess it is useful to prepare your stay (the real freebie will wait).[/QUOTE]That's the only way to use WeChat correctly, I always use Fakegps to make my phone think I'm somewhere else. This also works with Tinder although that's a bit more tricky. But this way I try to set up dates days in advance before I even leave my home.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1787494]A bit confused. Reading the first line, I was expecting you to have fallen into a tout trick or an experience similar to our old friend from Tiajuana. Sounds like you got of quite well and little or no harm done. I don't know you but I would not be surprised if your coworkers know more than you think. It's the same case with mine.[/QUOTE]Yeah sorry about that, the first line does read a bit more dramatic then it actually was.

4 pops in 2 days for $800? Sounds like you got the deal of the century. This was almost a freebie. Don't feel bad about it. She chose willingly.

I think you did great. One piece of advice I read on this forum and did not follow.

"Don't ever fall in love with a WG" this also applies to Massage girls in my case. I wished I followed that advice as She was the most expensive freebie I ever had.

Sam can.

Luckily mutual sympathy and attractivity ratings are very subjective otherwise we all would line up with the same girls ot type of girls.

It seem that at least the reviews she got unisono are very good and 11 out of 12 above 8/8 one with 7/7 .

As an older guy I certainly may be interested more in a personality rather than a figure. Although Wenli in my rating got both in an excellent package.

Even her English is quite good so you can communicate well, may not be about philosophical discussions.

I will never miss her whenever possible, for me she plays in the first league.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Stegram;1787550]I am one who gave her stellar marks, and to my eyes they are deserved.

Scores for appearance are completely subjective to one's own taste and the system of grading appearance or service by numbers should be done away with completely.

What one guys finds appealing has nothing at all to do with what others might like. I know. I live in LOS Angeles and I see hordes of guys druelling over girls with asses that are as wide as a truck with ample cottage cheese to go with it.

That's what they like and they score accordingly. Personally, you couldn't pay ME to partake, but that is just my taste and those guy aren't wrong. Read the reviews if you want facts, don't go by numbers.

Also, a PM to reviewers might garner you more complete intel if you're looking for it.[/QUOTE]

As you guys correctly note, looks are subjective. Appreciate the context.

My main surprise was upon 1st seeing her, and I guess I never overcame that letdown. I thought she was an average-looking, well-maintained woman in her late-30's. There was no initial surge of lust like I expect from a woman whose looks are 8-9. If she chatted me up in a bar, I wouldn't pursue her.

However, I chalk it up to experience (and to be fair, her performance was quite good).

Perfect!

One guy less in the line up.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1787834]As you guys correctly note, looks are subjective. Appreciate the context.

My main surprise was upon 1st seeing her, and I guess I never overcame that letdown. I thought she was an average-looking, well-maintained woman in her late-30's. There was no initial surge of lust like I expect from a woman whose looks are 8-9. If she chatted me up in a bar, I wouldn't pursue her.

However, I chalk it up to experience (and to be fair, her performance was quite good).[/QUOTE]

Although I had read here about the Manhattan / Judy's scene, I had never tried it. I prefer my activities earlier in the evening so I headed out there about 9:00 pm. Manhattan was dead, so I walked over to Judy's.

That was also very quiet. While I sat there nursing my $6 Coke Light, I was approached by a Viet girl. Having read the forum, I had expected I would be negotiating to about 1500. The girl (apparently a Judy's regular) offered 1000 for two hours "or whatever". I confirmed that would cover two shots and she agreed. I also told her I was looking for GFE and PSE. She knew what those meant and agreed, so off we went.

And, I wasn't disappointed – she delivered on all counts. She had a child, so the tummy wasn't as tight as you would hope, but in view of her performance it was easily overlooked. She stayed a little over two hours and I sent her back in a taxi.

Recently there has been discussion here about the girls wanting payment in advance. This girl did not ask for that, but in talking to her, she said many of her friends had been ripped off by performing and then being kicked out without payment. She said this is mostly the younger guys and they don't have the problem with the older set.

I was happy with the price and with the experience.

Judy's is a 10 minute /24 RMB taxi ride from the Bund. Or you can take the Metro Line 10 to Jin'an and go out Exit 3. Walk straight ahead two blocks to Tongren. Judy's is across the street on the right. Manhattan is a left turn for two blocks and then a right turn for about a block.

A couple of years ago I had a memorable session at the Hong Song Sauna. Last year I made the trip out there only to find it was closed and under construction. It wasn't clear if the business was gone or just being rejuvenated. There have been no reviews on the Hong Song for quite some time.

I headed out to find out for myself. Hong Song is easy to get to – take a 15 minute /38 RMB ride from the Bund, out to the Hilton Shanghai Hongqiao. As you face the Hilton, the building to the left is the Yuanyi building. There is a restaurant on the lower floor. Go in the front door and on the right is a bank of elevators with three cute girls just waiting to call an elevator for you. Just go up to the 4th floor and you are there. The remodeling has left Hong Song at the top of the heap for saunas. Everything was clean, new and impeccable.

The system is typical of the saunas – you go to the locker room to change into your gear and leave your items in a secure locker. Then they put you in a room with a TV to wait for the lineup.

And what a lineup! I was there about 9:00 pm and there were at least 75 girls in the fishbowl. The girls were first rate, ranging from 7 to 9's. The "regular" girls were 1380 and the taller "models" were 1980. A second girl adds 700. The decision was tough, so the manager suggested #30. I agreed and off we went. #30 is a 22 year old Hunan spinner. And she was beautiful!

After the shower, she performed a top-notch nuru. After drying it was off to the bed. Her service was, as outstanding. #30 was playful, encouraged DFK and DATY and didn't bother with fake moaning. She was a real trooper and provided one of the best sauna experiences I've had.

I would rate the Hong Song Sauna right up there with the best of the Macau saunas. Certainly better than the sessions I have had at Bodi.

Last night it was time to try out Manhattan. And it didn't disappoint! I arrived there about 9:30 on a Friday night and it seemed like a good time as there were a few dozen girls and not many guys.

I made eye contact with a few but none approached me. Finally a tall, short-haired girl came over. She pointed to her three friends and wanted to know if I was interested in one of them. I was interested in the one in the middle, so told so. But she called over another girl. I was a little disappointed until I saw her close up. She was stunning! The short-haired girl told me that this girl had just arrived yesterday and was her first time in Manhattan. I know we have heard that before, but I confirmed it with the girl later.

She was very sweet and shy. She had the kind of beauty that makes you feel tongue-tied. But we chatted a bit and she seemed very nice. She held my hand as we talked. I asked if she wanted to go to my hotel and she said yes. I asked how much and she said 1500. I told her I thought that was a little too high. I countered with 1200 and stuck to my grounds. Finally she agreed and off we went.

She was very friendly in the car (hand on my inner thigh) as we got to know each other. In the room she was even better than I had thought. A perfect, natural body. I guessed she was 20 but she was 27. She was aggressive and wanted to DFK. She allowed DATY and enjoyed an O (she thanked me a couple of times). I paid her 1400 plus taxi and sent her back to Manhattan.

Nearly any of the other girls I saw at Manhattan would have been great choices. I have not seen so many beautiful women in one place for quite a while.

Actually this whole hobby is subjective in so many ways. Her looks is subjective, her service is subjective, price is also subjective. Even the ranking of these three factors in itself is subjective.

My ATF would be a 7 or 8 in looks, a 10/10 in service, with slightly above average price. Guys whom I'd recommended to see her had commented her to be anywhere from a 6 to 9 in looks and a unanimous 10 in service. To me, service / attitude / GFE is top priority, way ahead of the other two. As long as she's not a BBW, a Bush that I had to hack my way through with machete, and didn't fall off the ugly tree hitting every fucking branch on her way down, I think I'm ok with it. As for price, even if my ATF charged more, I would still see her, but don't tell her that.

The local Chinese prefer tall girls with light skin, think Fan BingBing, you'll always hear them say "her skin is so white". How the girl performs in bed is secondary. I can give a rat's ass about skin tone but she better make my toes curl. I don't care if she's Fan BingBing or Giselle, but if I'm going to be fucking a dead fish, well let's just say some on this board don't have to leave the house for that. Neither the locals or I are wrong, we just have different preference and we have our own idea of what is beautiful. This is actually a great thing, can you imagine every man and his brother standing in line to shag the same girl? I'd have really hairy palms if I had to book my ATF one month in advance.

Take reviews with a grain of salt. Those of us who have done this long enough know to take a certain discount off review ratings and pictures posted. When I hit the Submit button after writing a review and it takes a few hours or days for it to get posted, there is a chance of it being censored or edited. I don't care what the reason is, it's gone through another pair of eyes and hands. Pictures get photoshopped or they are a few years old, no need to say too much about this. This happens everywhere, agencies in Beijing, FKK in Germany, K-Girls in LOS Angeles, indy's in Shanghai you name it.

So how about we make this a little more fun and productive. Let's all mention a girl you've seen lately and instead of putting a number, say something meaningful or at least something funny to liven up this board. I'll start the ball rolling.

Sara (from SNG).

Looks. She looks so pretty even the local Chinese will line up to see her.

Attitude. She made me regret I only booked her for an hour.

Service. No DFK, and not for those looking to shag a porn star.

Return. No, I'm limiting myself to the top 3 in Shanghai and she's not one of them.

Ok who's next? Please provide indy name or sauna name / girl number. Without these, you basically just farted.

A seasoned man's words. Even a cake may become stale one day.

A good friend of mine once stated "on sea even the old cleaning lady turns into Sophia Loren".

Lets talk here about some good experiences and then tell details via PM.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1788082]Actually this whole hobby is subjective in so many ways. Her looks is subjective, her service is subjective, price is also subjective. Even the ranking of these three factors in itself is subjective.

My ATF would be a 7 or 8 in looks, a 10/10 in service, with slightly above average price. Guys whom I'd recommended to see her had commented her to be anywhere from a 6 to 9 in looks and a unanimous 10 in service. To me, service / attitude / GFE is top priority, way ahead of the other two. As long as she's not a BBW, a Bush that I had to hack my way through with machete, and didn't fall off the ugly tree hitting every fucking branch on her way down, I think I'm ok with it. As for price, even if my ATF charged more, I would still see her, but don't tell her that.

The local Chinese prefer tall girls with light skin, think Fan BingBing, you'll always hear them say "her skin is so white". How the girl performs in bed is secondary. I can give a rat's ass about skin tone but she better make my toes curl. I don't care if she's Fan BingBing or Giselle, but if I'm going to be fucking a dead fish, well let's just say some on this board don't have to leave the house for that. Neither the locals or I are wrong, we just have different preference and we have our own idea of what is beautiful. This is actually a great thing, can you imagine every man and his brother standing in line to shag the same girl? I'd have really hairy palms if I had to book my ATF one month in advance.

Take reviews with a grain of salt. Those of us who have done this long enough know to take a certain discount off review ratings and pictures posted. When I hit the Submit button after writing a review and it takes a few hours or days for it to get posted, there is a chance of it being censored or edited. I don't care what the reason is, it's gone through another pair of eyes and hands. Pictures get photoshopped or they are a few years old, no need to say too much about this. This happens everywhere, agencies in Beijing, FKK in Germany, K-Girls in LOS Angeles, indy's in Shanghai you name it.

So how about we make this a little more fun and productive. Let's all mention a girl you've seen lately and instead of putting a number, say something meaningful or at least something funny to liven up this board. I'll start the ball rolling.

Sara (from SNG).

Looks. She looks so pretty even the local Chinese will line up to see her.

Attitude. She made me regret I only booked her for an hour.

Service. No DFK, and not for those looking to shag a porn star.

Return. No, I'm limiting myself to the top 3 in Shanghai and she's not one of them.

Ok who's next? Please provide indy name or sauna name / girl number. Without these, you basically just farted.[/QUOTE]

Dear mongers,

Very excited to be making my very first trip to Shanghai tomorrow.

I have two questions:

Do you know whether Four seasons Pudong is girl friendly hotel. Assuming I take a girl from Manhattan or Judy's would it be allowed?

Also is [URL]backpages.com[/URL] a reliable source in China? It really changes from country to country.

I notice the price some saunas and QQ girls charged had gone up. Most QQ girls are now charging 500/ p. (although I do not do QQ). Did you guys see a similar price increase?

Not that I am complaining, mongering in China is still one of the best bargains.

[QUOTE=NoseDick;1788129]Dear mongers,

Very excited to be making my very first trip to Shanghai tomorrow.

I have two questions:

Do you know whether Four seasons pudong is girl friendly hotel. Assuming I take a girl from manhattan or judy's would it be allowed?

Also is [URL]backpages.com[/URL] a reliable source in China? It really changes from country to country.[/QUOTE]No problem to bring in girls to Four seasons Pudong hotel.

Did Manhattan and Judy's this weekend.

If your taste runs to tall and often wide Vietnamese in their late twenties and thirties with adequate English skills, than Manhattan is your venue.

I was astonished by the ability of gals to pour a size 12 body into a size 7 dress.

With difficulty, I located a slender spinner and when we bedded, her performance was merely adequate. 1200 short time 1800 long.

Judy's on Sunday night was, well, a freak show, a Hunter Thompson-esque short-film for Cinemax late night. Gender, sexual preference and race were indiscriminate.

Steve has it about right. Jimmy doesn't speak English but he's a great contact and will help you find your way from the subway station.

Facilities are somewhat run-down. Don't expect a Western toilet.

On the other hand, I like the line-up rather than the fishbowl. It's nice to see which girls make meaningful eye contact. I picked a 25 year old Mongol. She said she gets picked more by Western than Asian clients, perhaps because of her smallish (but perky) breasts. I found her very attractive and she performed very affectionately. At 850 for 80 min, I thought it was reasonable value. Just don't expect the 5-star look of other, more recent saunas. I don't know if this is the case with other saunas but she told me Red House will not accept any women who have given birth. So nice not to have to worry about stretch marks.

Although this may not be news to some of you, the group that operates Kng Ding Sauna has a new place near Pullman Hotel. I have not been there. It only has one category of girls. It appears to be the same as the X girls at Kang Ding, but 1580 only gives you 70 minutes and one pop. To go for the second shot at the goal, you are asked to tip the girl an extra 300. Apparently they also have Korean and Russian girls working the joints as well, I am not sure of their prices.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1789008]Steve has it about right. Jimmy doesn't speak English but he's a great contact and will help you find your way from the subway station.

Facilities are somewhat run-down. Don't expect a Western toilet.

On the other hand, I like the line-up rather than the fishbowl. It's nice to see which girls make meaningful eye contact. I picked a 25 year old Mongol. She said she gets picked more by Western than Asian clients, perhaps because of her smallish (but perky) breasts. I found her very attractive and she performed very affectionately. At 850 for 80 min, I thought it was reasonable value. Just don't expect the 5-star look of other, more recent saunas. I don't know if this is the case with other saunas but she told me Red House will not accept any women who have given birth. So nice not to have to worry about stretch marks.[/QUOTE]Interesting, I thought Jimmy spoke quite good English my one and only time there. Personally, I think for the price you can find much nicer options and I have no plans to ever return there.

Taz.

Fellow mongers,

I don't mean to appear stupid, but I am missing something. I have just arrived in Shanghai for my first visit. I have been reading the forum to get an idea of the lay of how things work here, and I am shocked and confused. I see borthers quoting prices like RNB1,380 to RNB1,980. This translates to US $216 to US $310. Some here say that China is still a bargain. To me these prices are no bargain.

This evening I walked along the Bund and down Walking Street alone. I was approached by men and women, young and old to go have a massageee for RNB200. Some quoted as low as RNBB100 to RNB150. This is confusing. Someone please enlighten me.

NEVER EVER! Listen to those street guys. At the end you will be beaten up and your Creditcard emptied to its limit!

I and many others here learned the hard way.

About prices you can trust reports from seniors here who have written many post about MP's or Sauna's If you are from the US read some reviews in the best know website.

With the three letters under country China.

Enjoy China. Gregory.

[QUOTE=SfKish;1789497]Fellow mongers,

I don't mean to appear stupid, but I am missing something. I have just arrived in Shanghai for my first visit. I have been reading the forum to get an idea of the lay of how things work here, and I am shocked and confused. I see borthers quoting prices like RNB1,380 to RNB1,980. This translates to US $216 to US $310. Some here say that China is still a bargain. To me these prices are no bargain.

This evening I walked along the Bund and down Walking Street alone. I was approached by men and women, young and old to go have a massageee for RNB200. Some quoted as low as RNBB100 to RNB150. This is confusing. Someone please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

I am heading to Puxi this week. In my past I have been using ISG girls. I have been through Apple, a little blump skin but a ton of fun (now retired per steve). I also had Carol, smoking little body, pretty quick with everything but still a ton of fun. Hujing provides a great massage and then some. She has legs to the moon. Jin Jin is getting a bit chubby.

To my next trip a few things on my Radar, Maggie, Lisa and Snow on ISG. Anyone with anything to report.

The whole back and forth on Wen Li also makes me curious. I am stayign at the Shanghai Hilton and there are 3 AMPS in a.

Row. Anyone been to either one of the 3?

Help me out and I will report out my findings. Thanks. Lastly anywhere to get little blue pills in the area and not the Lamar Odom ones?

Tomorrow night 21 October Zapata's ladies night from 9 pm (GMT +8:00 people). Seeking wing-man, aged 30+ only (sorry kids). Preferably you speak fluent English. What are we doing? Have fun and perhaps exchange some punting stories from far and close.

PM me if you are interested to tag along. If you happen to be my work colleague. We will move on and go separate ways, it will be better for us. Please be prepared to be respectfully screened (without being invasive).

Thanks

Thank you for the intel!

I was there about a week ago for the very first time, after shower, took a long walk thru the dark hallway to check out the line up. Hard to pick as many were below my usual standard. Got spoiled by kd. LOL. Anyway, took 6 xx. Relatively slimmer compared to the rest, was shown to a small room with a double bed. Immediately, she was all over me, what a great start. The session just kept getting better, except for bareback, and anal (I didn't try, maybe next time, pretty much everything was on the menu, ymmv, of course. She got a really nice a $$ and I couldn't stop grabbing and banging from behind. All for 6 mao and change.

It was so good that I went back coupla nights later, and was upsold for double. Another 6 xx, claimed to be 18+, but she looked more like mid 20's with a bit of smoker teeth, and bigger boobs. 1 worked my top, and the other at the bottom was just pure bliss. I told them to slow down and they pointed at the bag of condoms, LOL. Afterward, they washed me warm towel, and wrapped me around to keep me warm. I was so pampered Anyway, the 2nd bird was just another 4 mao. Best 1 k I have ever spent. Bewarned, they are not the best lookers, but they made for their service, again ymmv.

BTW, instead of taking line 2, I took line 9, and got off at shangyelu station, exit #3, did an you as I exited, next street, made a right, took the arcade on the left.

Have fun!

SL.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1778095]Last night I went to the bbs strips near Longyang Lu Maglev station. There weren't as many places active on Yinghua Lu as on Dujuan lu. On Dujuan Lu they seemed younger so I went west down that street from Baiyang Lu.

The first one I tried was quite a beauty. She wanted 500 rmb. She and her partner just laughed when I offered 200. They wouldn't take 300 either. So I left. The next one wanted 400 and in advance. So I left. I had a good time there once before but even then there was an upsell. I guess they don't like foreigners or old guys.

Then I went to nearby Sacrosa Sauna which was my first love in Shanghai. The lineup was 20 girls and I had a great time with number 552. She is a little on the skinny side but that's nice to.[/QUOTE]

My first report here. Week 1 in Shanghai.

I got hold of the Lotus Sauna contact on wechat. The dude on the other end send me a couple of pictures (English friendly). I pre-booked A100, a petite girl from Anhui, in her mid 20's, high cheek bones, not overly stunning, face is 6. 5 out of 10 (I am a picky bastard when it comes to Asian chics). Perky be-cup. For some, she's an angel. For me, she's OK.

Lotus is located inside a 4-star hotel (although I have seen worse 5-star hotel than this one!) on level 5. There's a legit spa on Level 4 which I stupidly stumbled into and asked for the wrong person. How embarrassing! But all part of fun hey!

Venue: clean, professional, expected sauna setup, you have to go pass a village-full of people before you hit the lounge. (All very friendly, warm and respectful).

Arrival rundown: Shook hand with my wechat man, given a wristband with a number on it. Led to locker room where a bunch of staff helping me to undress, open locker, put my shoes away. It was a 5 fucking star reception. I did feel special and without being overly invasive.

Handed some clean towel, took a shower, facilities were not brand sparkling new, but definitely better than Red House, and on-par with Jiangli if not better in some aspects.

After shower, staff gave me my kungfu suit (if you don't know what it is, let it be a pleasant surprise). Then, another staff led me down the corridor, doors after doors, with walkie talkie in hand updating their position when the other walkie talkie is less than 10 meter away. I found this amusing, but it gave the customer some confidence that this place is "safe". In fact, I like it. At least you know when the police come bust the party, there are at least two dozen people outside defending whilst I wear my pants.

So, I was led to a lounge, the place was very quiet (Monday night), I had the lounge to myself. I was asked if I wanted any drinks (get ice oolong tea, it's so cheap that it wouldn't be fake, yes, there are fake coke in the market, trust me.).

2 minutes later, my lady was led to the door by my wechat man. I said let's go, because I have booked and I just can't be fucked to change my mind. And she was in fact OK. She then led me through another layer of corridors and doors to reach our room. The room was very clean, professionally setup just like a top end massage room with a Queen bed in the middle, mirror to the side, porno on TV in the front. Very spacious. And you can smoke inside the room.

Here's the service run down. (If I didn't state the service here, that means it wasn't provided nor would I know if the lady would offer because I didn't ask).

1. I didn't go for the Nuru (wet) service (extra $200). But she still gave me a sensational cat-bath (with the aid of some lubricant and a mouthful of hot water). That was great.

2. Flipped around for a wet BBBJ, responsive to instructions, lots of balls licking. No DFK.

3. 10 minutes later CIMWOS.

4. She ducked out for 5, came back refreshed, small chit chat, 15 minutes left on the clock. I politely asked her to re-ignite my engine. Obliged, off we went, nice tight but full Bush pussy. 5 minutes later, I was 15 ML lighter. Buzz (This is what I call a perfect touch down).

5. Out the room, back to shower, a younger guy offered me free back rub, I declined. The exit process was equally friendly, warm and welcoming.

Total damage $1198 for their top class girl. I say experience is 8 out of 10. It's not far from the city centre, and staff were super welcoming. They really put the effort in to make you feel welcomed. And the big plus is, they DO have an operating dry sauna, I didn't try this time, so that gave me an excuse to return. I will be back, definitely.

My wechat manager said he also have girls from Rusland from time to time (girl in the pic looks a bit Spanish though), at the price of $2398.

First of all, thank you John Wal for the info.

Went to #1 below, was there late (midnight), it was busy and most of the masseuses were already taken. They sent in 2 x, being a gentleman, I didn't decline. 2 x was average height, not slim, not fat, an ample be chest, village type in look, very friendly. After shower, she climbed on top of me, and did her routine with me on my stomach. On the flip, she climbed on top of me and buried my face on her juggs. I took the cue and indulged myself She was so turned on that she slid her panties to the side and straddled my hip, wanted to sit on my DD bareback. I stopped her, and motioned her to turn around for 69. I f-ed her as she BBBJ, and HJ for completion. She gave me a LFK and asked if I wanted to stay longer, which I declined. Overall, great experience for under 3 mao. Next time, I will bring condom to see if FS is available.

To see if I could repeat my lucky streak, I went there early (5 ish) on a weekday, again, most of the masseuses were either out for food or occupied. I was assigned another 2 x, she got a pretty face than the first one I had in the previous nights. On my stomach, she put talcum powder on my back and massaged me with her droopy small be? Chest, cat bath after the wipe. Just about 10 mins in the session, she asked me to flip over, wtf, where is the rimming? I played along. She then gave me BBBJ with a gulp of hot water in her mouth, felt good. Afterward, she licked my chest and HJ-ed me at the same time. I got the feeling she wanted to get me off quickly. I slowed her down, and she stopped for a few seconds and repeated her quick motion. I told her no, then the proceeded to put her bra back on, wtf, that's it. I was there less than 1/2 HR. After she got dressed, she went out to fetch me a glass of water. She then exited to go across the hall to serve another waiting john, left me in the room by myself. I showered and took off for the door, with 4 guys manning the front, I paid them and got out of there as quickly as I could. Lesson learned here is don't go there in the early evening, as everything in life, it's all the luck of the draw. .

Cheers,

SL.

[QUOTE=JohnWal;1785385]Hi guys,

I have been using the forum from time to time so I thought I would share some of my experience here.

Here are the few spots I have been lately:

1. Corner of Changping Lu and Shaanxi Bei Lu. When you walk on Shaanxi Bei Lu, there is a wine bar called UVA on your left, keep walking north. On your left you will find a massage place.

You are welcome, take a shower in the massage room. A lady comes and gives you an average oil massage, very quickly she licks your asshole like there is no tomorrow, even tried to tongue fucked me. Flip over, BBBJCIM.

Shower, you pay, you leave. Cost about 250-300 RMB. Can't remember.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SfKish;1789497]Fellow mongers,

I don't mean to appear stupid, but I am missing something. I have just arrived in Shanghai for my first visit. I have been reading the forum to get an idea of the lay of how things work here, and I am shocked and confused. I see borthers quoting prices like RNB1,380 to RNB1,980. This translates to US $216 to US $310. Some here say that China is still a bargain. To me these prices are no bargain.

This evening I walked along the Bund and down Walking Street alone. I was approached by men and women, young and old to go have a massageee for RNB200. Some quoted as low as RNBB100 to RNB150. This is confusing. Someone please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]NEVER EVER FOLLOW THE TOUTS OR THE GIRLS IN FRONT OF THE HOTELS, ON THE BUND OR ON NANJING PEDESTRIAL STREET. You will pay dearly, if you do. There has been so many horrifying stories on the thread.

Lev.

In addition to the advice you've already received on touts, you are also not comparing apples to apples. The prices you are quoting from this board are for higher end saunas. If you read further, you'll see lower end bbs's are closer to the price you heard on the street. So, 1) NEVER, EVER FOLLOW A TOUT, 2) understand different services and associated prices.

Taz.

[QUOTE=SfKish;1789497]Fellow mongers,

I don't mean to appear stupid, but I am missing something. I have just arrived in Shanghai for my first visit. I have been reading the forum to get an idea of the lay of how things work here, and I am shocked and confused. I see borthers quoting prices like RNB1,380 to RNB1,980. This translates to US $216 to US $310. Some here say that China is still a bargain. To me these prices are no bargain.

This evening I walked along the Bund and down Walking Street alone. I was approached by men and women, young and old to go have a massageee for RNB200. Some quoted as low as RNBB100 to RNB150. This is confusing. Someone please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SfKish;1789497]Fellow mongers,

I don't mean to appear stupid, but I am missing something. I have just arrived in Shanghai for my first visit. I have been reading the forum to get an idea of the lay of how things work here, and I am shocked and confused. I see borthers quoting prices like RNB1,380 to RNB1,980. This translates to US $216 to US $310. Some here say that China is still a bargain. To me these prices are no bargain.

This evening I walked along the Bund and down Walking Street alone. I was approached by men and women, young and old to go have a massageee for RNB200. Some quoted as low as RNBB100 to RNB150. This is confusing. Someone please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]If you think prices are high, just follow some of those touts and see how much you end up paying. . .

Seriously, Shanghai is more expensive than some other locales, but not by as much as you think. Really a matter of comparing apples to apples. You can get a hot girl in a luxurious sauna for $150 - this is not some street walker who uses drugs and has had multiple kids. Same thing in Bangkok might run you $120 (and Bangkok is a really tough comparison for any mongering destination). You can snag a Viet girl at a Shanghai bar for $170/ HR or $250/ nt; in Hanoi, you'd pay about the same. In HCMC, you'd pay 25% less. Steven's site has daily specials for 1,000. But still, you're not going to match some of the bargain prices in Pattaya or Peru.

[QUOTE=DanielMccc;1789590]Tomorrow night 21 October Zapata's ladies night from 9 pm (GMT +8:00 people). Seeking wing-man, aged 30+ only (sorry kids). Preferably you speak fluent English. What are we doing? Have fun and perhaps exchange some punting stories from far and close.

PM me if you are interested to tag alone. If you happen to be my work colleague. We will move on and go separate ways, it will be better for us.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Can't PM you, I think you need a membership.

[QUOTE=SfKish;1789497]

This evening I walked along the Bund and down Walking Street alone. I was approached by men and women, young and old to go have a massageee for RNB200. Some quoted as low as RNBB100 to RNB150. This is confusing. Someone please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]

If you RTFF you would know without the slightest confusion that if you go anywhere with a tout on the street, male female or young, that you are more likely to get massaged by two male thugs than a "beautiful young girl. ".

[QUOTE=JohnClit;1789997]Can't PM you, I think you need a membership.[/QUOTE]Sorted. Shall be PM-able now.

I will be around, drop me a note if anyone else is keen to swing it. Age rule still applies 30+ only.

[QUOTE=FiveAces;1783841]They are not sitting behind glass in dark rooms to get moontanned. Of course there is action.

I didn't go in because I was done already. They looked good to me, and hungry like cats looking at a mouse.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I confirm that now everything is again closed. I passed on the street several times last days, and during couples, I also saw police checking the situation.

Any other areas still alive not far from Jin'an temple?

Thanks

In some weeks, I'll be staying a couple of days in Jumeirah Hotel. Anybody know if the hotel is girl friendly?

Some years back I was staying across the street in Kerry and they certainly were. The first night I came in late at night with a pick up from Judy and I was so waisted, I had to ask the hotel Consigliere for my room number, when I could not remember the dam number. All the time the Vietnamese girl was waiting beside me and the hotel people said nothing, they just kindly gave me my room number. Second time I woke up Sunday morning with another Viet girl, this time taken from Manhattan. We were both hungry and she was looking for the room service menu. Darn expensive and I did not find anything I would have liked to have, so I told the girl we go downstairs for breakfast. First she was not willing to go, but I said I will not buy anything from the room service and either she comes with me or she goes.

I am pretty sure some older western ladies lost their appetite when we walked in, but nobody said anything to me.

How about the bars in Meihua Road, there are girls but are they available for P4P?

There seems to be also some massage places in Meihua road. Anybody tested any of them?

I walked by them one evening or late at night, some two-three years ago but did not try any of them.

[QUOTE=JackNonara;1790863]There seems to be also some massage places in Meihua road. Anybody tested any of them?

I walked by them one evening or late at night, some two-three years ago but did not try any of them.[/QUOTE]Those shops are still there and have all the tell-tale signs of having extras on the menu- open late, girls sitting outside, very few reviews on damping. It seem hard to get intel on MPs in this city though. SNG lists only two chains, and a lot of those shops have closed recently. I spent a frustrating 90 minutes yesterday getting blue balled by what turned out to be a legit place- girl was massaging very high up my thigh, but no HE.

Weather is very very windy in Gubei area. There was a heavy storm this week and at least one MP is "under repair".

Shop name is a famous Yunnan city 2, located on top of a DVD shop.

The second shop with the same name is still open but apparently the whole area is on high alert / shutting at night time. I thus went to Minghang instead where the nv shifu were very nervous about what had happened especially since no news from the other nv shifu from that place yet.

I feel very sad for them. And hope things will get better. Hope no one here got caught in the process.

For my first outing on my last trip to Shanghai I decided on Bodi. It is quit the trek from the Bund and Nanjing Rd where I was staying. Was told it opened early, so I showed up at around 11 am. Sign on the door said opened at 12. So I walked around for an hour. Not much around this place just allot of residences. Came back at 12 and they were having a staff meeting. Not the providers just the locker boys and reception girls. I walk in and say Hi. Everybody laughed. It was pretty awkward. One of the guys rolls his eyes and takes me to the shower. Usual shower procedure then off to the relaxing room. Offered a drink and told I would be waiting till 1 pm. At about 1:10 they come get me and lead me down the hall with three local guys in front of me. Was told I would pick after them. In the room you are face to face with the girls probably 20 about 10 ft away. Again kinda awkward. Felt lucky the local guys didn't take the one I wanted. Cute little spinner with As. Back to room and to the table shower. Pretty good Nuru but definitely robotic. With BBBJ preview. Dried off then to the bed. Small kind massage with teasing, then like ten min of full on rimming (best part) then she lays down and just wants mish. Tried to LFK, no dice. So just figured I would get it over with. After she showered me on the little stool. Then out the door. Probably 50 min in all. Overall a good experience but fare from great. Will say all the girls were 7's or better.

L9 A6 S8.

Damage, 900. Was offered two for 1400 but only had 1200 on me. I planned to go back for the double special but never got back. Next time.

[QUOTE=SfKish;1789497]Fellow mongers,

I don't mean to appear stupid, but I am missing something. I have just arrived in Shanghai for my first visit. I have been reading the forum to get an idea of the lay of how things work here, and I am shocked and confused. I see borthers quoting prices like RNB1,380 to RNB1,980. This translates to US $216 to US $310. Some here say that China is still a bargain. To me these prices are no bargain.

This evening I walked along the Bund and down Walking Street alone. I was approached by men and women, young and old to go have a massageee for RNB200. Some quoted as low as RNBB100 to RNB150. This is confusing. Someone please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]I happen to agree with you that Shanghai is anything but a bargain. That coupled with all the shitty scams. Check out my post from 8/8 do a KW search "Shanghai Shakedown". I was questioned as to its legitimacy by some of the elders but trust me it did happen to my friend and will happen to anyone. The prices in Shanghai are a joke and the women aren't very attractive at any price. Save your $$.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1791508]I happen to agree with you that Shanghai is anything but a bargain. That coupled with all the shitty scams. Check out my post from 8/8 do a KW search "Shanghai Shakedown". I was questioned as to its legitimacy by some of the elders but trust me it did happen to my friend and will happen to anyone. The prices in Shanghai are a joke and the women aren't very attractive at any price. Save your $$.[/QUOTE]I quote the old adage above. Shanghai is infamous for the scam where they take you to a place for cheap service where it costs you a fortune to get out of there. That said, there are still many BBS scattered around town where you can still get full service for less than 200 RMB if you know where to look for it. Most of these places have been posted on this thread.

Happy Hunting!

OAH.

Praise the lord and many thanks for the ignore list. Some keep coming back for more self abuse.

[QUOTE=GetItWomen;1791505]For my first outing on my last trip to Shanghai I decided on Bodi. It is quit the trek from the Bund and Nanjing Rd where I was staying. Was told it opened early, so I showed up at around 11 am. Sign on the door said opened at 12. So I walked around for an hour. Not much around this place just allot of residences. Came back at 12 and they were having a staff meeting. Not the providers just the locker boys and reception girls. I walk in and say Hi. Everybody laughed. It was pretty awkward. One of the guys rolls his eyes and takes me to the shower. Usual shower procedure then off to the relaxing room. Offered a drink and told I would be waiting till 1 pm. At about 1:10 they come get me and lead me down the hall with three local guys in front of me. Was told I would pick after them. In the room you are face to face with the girls probably 20 about 10 ft away. Again kinda awkward. Felt lucky the local guys didn't take the one I wanted. Cute little spinner with As. Back to room and to the table shower. Pretty good Nuru but definitely robotic. With BBBJ preview. Dried off then to the bed. Small kind massage with teasing, then like ten min of full on rimming (best part) then she lays down and just wants mish. Tried to LFK, no dice. So just figured I would get it over with. After she showered me on the little stool. Then out the door. Probably 50 min in all. Overall a good experience but fare from great. Will say all the girls were 7's or better.

L9 A6 S8.

Damage, 900. Was offered two for 1400 but only had 1200 on me. I planned to go back for the double special but never got back. Next time.[/QUOTE]I am sure it is a YMMV situation. I had a most memorable experience at Bodi about 9 months ago, a very enthusiastic girl and the fact that I spoke no chinese and she spoke no english did not matter one bit.

Day 1, I arrived in shanghai and checked in to the Park Hyatt. Wenli was sadly not available and was out of town. So I called up coco from SNG and booked Wendy for a 10 pm 2 hour outcall session in my hotel. From the pictures that are posted on SNG, she's looking like 6. 5/10 but what the hay, she was doing specials 2 HR for $1600 rmb. When she arrived, to my pleasant surprise, she looked way better in person. 8 9/10, she is a smoker though but so am I, something about sharing a smoke after unloading. Your taste maybe different but she definitely got my boat floating. She was a cute slender, not bone skinny, very nice body and dressed very classy. We got to the room undressed and took a shower. She brushed her teeth, and we were off to the bed. She doesn't speak much English at all, but that was fine as I spoke Chinese. And maybe because I do, we were actually able to have a great conversation and joke around between rounds, GFE experience for sure.

We started off DFK which was suppressing as most of the girl here don't. Transitioned to a wonderful BBBJ with deep throat and gagging, was I in heaven on the 85th floor? I was about to cum after about 10 minute, so we transitioned to fucking. She slipped on the cover hopped on and rode me like a bronco, and my god was she wet and tight. Missionary Doggie and I pop in the cover. Her favorite is definitely doggie and the way she looked back at me when I was hitting it from the back is a site I will never forget. We cleaned up, cuddled and chatted for 15-20 minutes. (Bonus: more GFE, I loved the fact she played with and tickled Jr.) Then it was round two pretty similar to round 1, BBBJ mish with legs over my shoulder cowgirl doggie mish again. This time I asked to shoot on her body. And she took it like a champ. I pulled out and busted all over her from her pussy all the way to her chin. Definitely didn't expect I could still do that after the first round. Again cleaned up and rested. Since we were very close in age and also my ability to speak Chinese well, we exchanged her private wechat information and she even offered to take me and show me the city with her girlfriends the next day, but I had conference and dinner meetings to attend in the next few days. Maybe getting special treatment next time? We'll see about that the next round I make to shanghai. She got dressed, kissed goodbye and was on her way.

Overall session was a 9/10. All great so far.

Part 2/3 will continue tomorrow.

I am in Shanghai and lining up all the SNG girls I want to see. I also have some non SNG faves but that's another report.

Linda is beautiful! She has a shape that knocks you out. Be cups that I just want to see again. We took a shower together headed into the bed BJ, ball licks and DATY. , Definately of the menu. Her BJ was really erotic. Looking at me as she did it Loved it, she is the new girl so they had a 999 RMB deal for an hour which I did. She didn't seem interested in kissing or DFK so I did t force it. We did cowgirl, mish and I finished with her riding me cowgirl. Instead of getting off, She let me lay there and glow with little brother inside her. She squeezed her vaginal muscles together with me still spent but inside her. I like this and enjoyed it. So many girls just want to hop off when done, It was a little more GFE But could be improved YMMV. She took a quick shower and sat with me We talked and I played with her body anywhere as I recharged. I had a good time. It is one I would definitely repeat even at the full price.

I finished too quick on the first round so I wanted to go for round 2 and she said only one round. I didn't know if this was the 999 deal or what. She said she would text SNG for an answer as she was new. I told her never mind. I wasn't really sure I was good for it anyway with just arriving and the jet lag. I was really tired and didn't care enough to pursue.

I reached out to Steven at SNG. He said he would clear this up. I would clarify with the hotline for two pops before the reservation but it wouldn't stop me from seeing her again. She is Definitely as pretty as Snow in a spinner kind of way. Snow is a beautiful full woman but not petite. (not fat just regular size) Linda is a spinner type which I adore.

Body 8. 5.

Face 9.

English 0-2, translator or signals work fine.

Session 7. 5. 8. 5 if the 2 pop issue had not come up.

WIR? - hopefully before I leave Shanghai! So many girls so little time!

I also told her to add a couple pics to show what a nice body she has. The pics are a little too conservative.

She has it. She should show it off!

Haven't posted in some time.

I found a massage parlour near Zhaojiabang road the other night, was a bit bored so I went in. (I can't be more forthcoming with the exact address, it was dark and I'm useless without my glasses).

Was greeted and taken into a room upstairs. Waited for a bit and this one girl came in. She looked decent maybe my age (mid 20's). I didn't get any lineup and I believe no one was really there as it was so late.

Took a shower and laid down on the bed after prep, and me squirming around trying to fit on a bed too short for me. (Interestingly it was just a normal bed with a hole cut in for my face, wasn't sure was to make of it.) Started off with a fairly decent massage then a back rub with hot towels. Then she started locking me all over. I never had this before so I was just confused and decided to go along with it.

She propped me up on my knees and cleaned me up down below and started locking there too. Honestly never had that done to me before and I'm not really a fan of it. Still went along and wanted to see what was next. Flipped me around and got the lube ready and went to town on my sausage. Pretty good HJ and about 20 minutes in I finally let it out. Another bath and off I was.

Didn't ask her name, wasn't too interested. If I do find the place again I'll probably go back. (Was near some high rise flats and has a neon sign in red saying MASSAGE). Damage - 210rmb.

Last night I went to one of the bard near jing an temple, obvious wg bar but I never went into one. One girl called me in for happy hour and I felt like having a beer. She chatted me up a bit and I bought her a drink. Only saw Chinese girls there. Played pool for a bit with her friend then I got a call and had to leave urgently.

I don't think I've seen these bars mentioned on the forum, just Manhattan and Judy etc. Is there any reason why.

Is the Shanghai thread becoming a location for chit chat: "went to a massage parlor, don't remember where, girl was ok. After the flip blah, blah, I may go back" And "Shanghai sucks so bad, why bother" Sam, you are too kind to them. My ignore list is starting to grow.

I have been surfing QQ and Wechat and came across several sauna and MP chat groups. If you don't have these two apps on your phone, might be a good idea to download them, especially QQ. Communication is strictly in Chinese (they don't uderstand a lick of English) but phone translations does wonders. Here are some of the things I observed with these groups.

1. 10%-15% discount when you make reservations through the app.
2. Photos of girls in some cases (most don't show faces).
3. Different level of services each girl provide.
4. don't' expect or ask for reviews like you see here in ISG.
5. Groups can get pretty big like up to a few hundred people.

Here are just a couple of examples of these chat groups.

Club 898. HongKou District. Sauna.
LiZhuang Spa. Putuo District. MP.
Ty Spa. JingAn District. MP.

Note: These are NOT the oft discussed QQ / Wechat girls. These are establishments with anywhere from 6 to 50 girls Massage Parlors and Saunas. I have personally tried 1 MP and 1 sauna from these groups, so far so good. However I read and speak the language. Send me a PM if you want the QQ / Wechat numbers for these places.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1792119]Is the Shanghai thread becoming a location for chit chat: "went to a massage parlor, don't remember where, girl was ok. After the flip blah, blah, I may go back" And "Shanghai sucks so bad, why bother" Sam, you are too kind to them. My ignore list is starting to grow.[/QUOTE]On one hand I do agree with you, on the other I just don't visit here often and realistically we do keep talking about the same places.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1792119]Is the Shanghai thread becoming a location for chit chat: "went to a massage parlor, don't remember where, girl was ok. After the flip blah, blah, I may go back" And "Shanghai sucks so bad, why bother" Sam, you are too kind to them. My ignore list is starting to grow.[/QUOTE]Your comment about this being a location for chit-chat makes no sense to me. This is a discussion forum. Another word in the english language for discussion is chit-chat. I think as long as one person is education by a thread (be it a repeat topic or not) then the board has accomplished its goal. I guess if you don't like certain topics then just tune them out. Like in life for me when there is someone I can't stand, I tune them out. Like you.

The stated goal of ISG is for men to share information about finding women. Your comments in the past were racist and derogatory of the Chinese people and culture. We called you on it and you crawled back under your rock for a while. Go away. You and the other guy post nothing that helps men find women for sex.

Chit Chat.

Like many, I recall when this board had a lot of specific info that was a huge help to me and others who were new to China. Over the last few years people have noticed that when there is too much detail shared, those venues seem to get closed by Uncle LEO. Within the last 2 years it was suggested to be a little more general on the public side to protect the hobby and the providers we so enjoy. In that spirit, I offer the following field reports.

Buddha.

Been there a couple times this trip. Got #18, a very sweet girl who seems to really enjoy her work. Thin, a-cups, early 20's. Shower then mediocre back massage. Then milking position before the flip. She definitely knows how to use her hands and mouth to their best to relieve the lower stresses. A cups got a good licking and wandering hands found a very wet pair of lips to massage but no entry allowed. Damage 268 RMB.

AnYuan.

Sad report by others confirmed here. Glass doors are gone, metal roll doors are down, curtains blowing in the wind. All 5 places the same.

Pudong.

Had some time so went over to Pudong for a walk in the old neighborhood. Small places on Weifang still advertising "massage. " Intersection of Weifeng and Baoshan has several upscale looking places with plenty of legs showing. The old BBS's further down Baoshan all seem to be gone. Did not partake. Got to save something for my freebies!

Is it just me, or are more women going "white tiger?" Fine with me. :-the.

Have fun. Be safe.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1792947]Your comment about this being a location for chit-chat makes no sense to me. This is a discussion forum. Another word in the english language for discussion is chit-chat. I think as long as one person is education by a thread (be it a repeat topic or not) then the board has accomplished its goal. I guess if you don't like certain topics then just tune them out. Like in life for me when there is someone I can't stand, I tune them out. Like you.[/QUOTE]Since you've stated that you don't like Shanghai or the people there, why hang out on this board? Sorry for your bad experiences in Shanghai, but a guy called Hobbiest who does not engage in the hobby is as useful to us as tits on a nun.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1793207]Since you've stated that you don't like Shanghai or the people there, why hang out on this board? Sorry for your bad experiences in Shanghai, but a guy called Hobbiest who does not engage in the hobby is as useful to us as tits on a nun.[/QUOTE]I stop in from time-to-time. The reason I responded is that there newbie who had questions that I had valid answers for. As far as your comment about hobbying. Trust me I do my share. Just not in Shanghai anymore.

I don't like kale but I still force myself to eat it. I consider this forum the kale of my life.

Found a gem who's been working in an MP and now willing to do takeout FS for some extra cash. Some of the regulars here have tried her and gotten super service. PM me for more info, no I'm not getting a penny out of this, you deal with her direct, I just provide contact info.

Dear mongers,

I recently had a trip to Shanghai. First night I wanted to try a sauna. I chose Kang Ding from Shanghai nightlife guide. In fact I had to purchase the VIP option to get the right address.

Despite having address on hand, finding the location wasn't easy. But manages eventually.

I am not Chinese nor speak a word. So google translate was essential for this place. Bot mama, and myself were using the app concurrently.

I chose a stunning X girl from the lineup. I was quoted 1600 with the discount. I thought very very expensive but chose anyway. Biiiig mistake.

In the room, she undressed and surely she was a stunner. Her pubic hair was attractive, the body firm and smooth.

But the service was no t even mediocre. She gave me bbj with clear contempt. Than she lay on her back for me to penetrate. So I came once. And it was 20 minutes. No massage, no nothing. She didn't even try to rekindle situation.

My suggestion, if you're there pick a normal girl with nuru massage. This is ridiculous.

I complained to mama after the fact and she politely listened. But I was already short of money and decent boner.

This is not a criticism to SNG nor sauna. But if you don't speak the language choose the low price option.

[QUOTE=NoseDick;1794029]Dear mongers,


But the service was no t even mediocre. She gave me bbj with clear contempt. Than she lay on her back for me to penetrate. So I came once. And it was 20 minutes. No massage, no nothing. She didn't even try to rekindle situation.

This is not a criticism to SNG nor sauna. But if you don't speak the language choose the low price option.[/QUOTE]In fact it is not even a language problem, it is much more a culture problem.

While most foreigners think a higher rate also must be a better service, Chinese guys simply agree to pay more for have sex with a more pretty girl.

From my view it has a lot of "show off" that they can afford that, but finally it's not really the service they want to enjoy.

The result is, that as more "model style" a girl is, as less service she need to provide even she can charge much more!

A really tall girl with big tits can ask for any rate and it doesn't matter how much the guy pay, she think if she only open her leg and let him do the job, he should be happy already!

And because of the "bottleneck", that actually all saunas have problems to find enough girls, they also have nearly no chance to "push" them for a better service.

Because a "model type girl" can find 10 other saunas to work in one hour, if she like to leave. So she not care so much about complaints.

All that is a negative development, which has increased strongly in recent two years! The result is, that you nearly find no sauna without the "different price range", which simply has got necessary to get a chance for some "models" in the lineup. And also the influence of the sauna management to the service level of the girls go down with that.

I agree to your advice to keep away from the "models", except you don't care to get a bad service very often. Don't expect this girls to go the extra mile for you. That can happen, but you need to be very lucky or try it out very often, till you find the "one of 100" who think she should also provide something in return for her high rate!

Have fun and monger save.

Steven

[QUOTE=NoseDick;1794029]Dear mongers,

I recently had a trip to Shanghai. First night I wanted to try a sauna. I chose Kang Ding from Shanghai nightlife guide. In fact I had to purchase the VIP option to get the right address.

Despite having address on hand, finding the location wasn't easy. But manages eventually.

I am not Chinese nor speak a word. So google translate was essential for this place. Bot mama, and myself were using the app concurrently.

I chose a stunning X girl from the lineup. I was quoted 1600 with the discount. I thought very very expensive but chose anyway. Biiiig mistake.

In the room, she undressed and surely she was a stunner. Her pubic hair was attractive, the body firm and smooth.

But the service was no t even mediocre. She gave me bbj with clear contempt. Than she lay on her back for me to penetrate. So I came once. And it was 20 minutes. No massage, no nothing. She didn't even try to rekindle situation.

My suggestion, if you're there pick a normal girl with nuru massage. This is ridiculous.

I complained to mama after the fact and she politely listened. But I was already short of money and decent boner.

This is not a criticism to SNG nor sauna. But if you don't speak the language choose the low price option.[/QUOTE]In general, I think we have all found, for the most part, that there is a negative correlation between drop dead gorgeous looks and the level of service. As guys, we always hope that this is not true.

Its my opinion, if you adopt the old Avis adage, "We're #2, we try harder! You are more likely to be happy.

BTW, from reading the SNG section on independent escorts, it seems that this option is pretty good.

Good luck with your next attempt.

I would not say there is a negative correlation between the price and physical appearance of the princess / model and the service she provides, but there is a lack of correlation. But that can be true for almost everything: the price and decor of the place and what you actually get, be that the sauna as a whole or a restaurant.

As a matter of fact, we as male, are one-sided and overlook the more often present negative correlation between the behavior and decency of the guy towards the girls and the size of his wallet. I saw a guy, repeatedly and roughly shoving a very beautiful and exquisitely dressed girl outside of a well known KTV, just because she did not want to have her picture taken standing in front of his fancy Porsche. The doormen stood there looking and did nothing. I was very offended and was about to intervene when my Chinese host hurriedly pushed me along. (maybe they knew that guy was not someone you should mess with).

Disappointing service can happen on a case by case basis regardless of the price. Take a look back at one of my old reviews of kang ding and you'll see I had perhaps my best sauna experience ever with an X girl. I've also had disappointing service with much lower priced girls. There's no correlation whatsoever in my experience.

My suggestion is to become more of a regular at one place, thereby establishing a relationship with your contact. I have two places I can go to now that will always point me in the right direction.

Taz.

[QUOTE=NoseDick;1794029]Dear mongers,

I recently had a trip to Shanghai. First night I wanted to try a sauna. I chose Kang Ding from Shanghai nightlife guide. In fact I had to purchase the VIP option to get the right address.

Despite having address on hand, finding the location wasn't easy. But manages eventually.

I am not Chinese nor speak a word. So google translate was essential for this place. Bot mama, and myself were using the app concurrently.

I chose a stunning X girl from the lineup. I was quoted 1600 with the discount. I thought very very expensive but chose anyway. Biiiig mistake.

In the room, she undressed and surely she was a stunner. Her pubic hair was attractive, the body firm and smooth.

But the service was no t even mediocre. She gave me bbj with clear contempt. Than she lay on her back for me to penetrate. So I came once. And it was 20 minutes. No massage, no nothing. She didn't even try to rekindle situation.

My suggestion, if you're there pick a normal girl with nuru massage. This is ridiculous.

I complained to mama after the fact and she politely listened. But I was already short of money and decent boner.

This is not a criticism to SNG nor sauna. But if you don't speak the language choose the low price option.[/QUOTE]

Place is still shut down.

Reason: girls got caught without clothes during a raid.

Rumor says they're still under arrest.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1791330]Weather is very very windy in Gubei area. There was a heavy storm this week and at least one MP is "under repair".

Shop name is a famous Yunnan city 2, located on top of a DVD shop.

The second shop with the same name is still open but apparently the whole area is on high alert / shutting at night time. I thus went to Minghang instead where the nv shifu were very nervous about what had happened especially since no news from the other nv shifu from that place yet.

I feel very sad for them. And hope things will get better. Hope no one here got caught in the process.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree. And my experience is I have more hits than misses at kd. My understanding is x type offers 2 sogs in 1 HR, if the x girl you picked didn't deliver as promised, you should talk to the mms. I don't what she's going to do, but at least she has that knowledge and steers others from picking her.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1794312]Disappointing service can happen on a case by case basis regardless of the price. Take a look back at one of my old reviews of kang ding and you'll see I had perhaps my best sauna experience ever with an X girl. I've also had disappointing service with much lower priced girls. There's no correlation whatsoever in my experience.

My suggestion is to become more of a regular at one place, thereby establishing a relationship with your contact. I have two places I can go to now that will always point me in the right direction.

Taz.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1794312]Disappointing service can happen on a case by case basis regardless of the price. Take a look back at one of my old reviews of kang ding and you'll see I had perhaps my best sauna experience ever with an X girl. I've also had disappointing service with much lower priced girls. There's no correlation whatsoever in my experience.

My suggestion is to become more of a regular at one place, thereby establishing a relationship with your contact. I have two places I can go to now that will always point me in the right direction.

Taz.[/QUOTE]Chemistry matters. All these girls are attracted to the cash but they still have to do the guy to get it. I a, sure if I was a 20 year and made my money this way, there would be some customers ID rather not. Doesn't always mean your offensive (or does) but the girls are humans too.

I think I had the first girl ever ignore me at Manahttanas last night. Her friend was trying to get a 3 some going. This other girl would have no part in it. I laughed because I just became that guy that couldn't get laid at Manhattans with 2000 RMB in my back pocket. At least with that girl.

It happens.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1794070]In fact it is not even a language problem, it is much more a culture problem.

While most foreigners think a higher rate also must be a better service, Chinese guys simply agree to pay more for have sex with a more pretty girl.

I agree to your advice to keep away from the "models", except you don't care to get a bad service very often. Don't expect this girls to go the extra mile for you. That can happen, but you need to be very lucky or try it out very often, till you find the "one of 100" who think she should also provide something in return for her high rate!

Have fun and monger save.

Steven[/QUOTE]Well said. Other replies also indicated to same hit or miss phenomenon. It is not the first time I am disappointed, nor will it be the last. But this one was an expensive learning.

But your guide made life that much easier for me. Thanks for that.

During the same trip I went to Judy's as well. It sounded an interesting spot to check and I decided to try. I downloaded the address card from SNG. Given my previous experience in the Sauna, I promised myself that I would not take part in any action but only watch the scene.

From getting inside Judy's, I realized I was in the right place. These openly prostitution oriented locations always pulled me in.

I went to bar and ordered my drink, gave the guy a decent tip at the bar. All is dandy. After that, a parade of girls, with decent English, came to me and started conversations. I politely declined them all but all seemed to be rather persistent. I admire their persistence but I was also strong.

I spent a good 1-1. 5 hours and this beauty caught my eye. Unlike others she was not coming to me. So I had to make strong eye-contact. Sure enough, after strong eye-contact, she noticed me and came by my side. All the other girls I turned down was looking at me with interest / disgust. Be it!

So we started a conversation. She was a Vietnamese beauty. I think her name was Cindy. So I left all my inner-promises at the bar and started to negotiate with her. She opened with 2000 RMB. I said no way. And she immediately reduced to 1500.

The problem was that, during this whole charade, I kept on drinking Vodka. And I didn't know whether I was up for the job or not.

When we reached the hotel at Pudong, it turned out that I was no longer up for job. But Cindy really tried to help and I enjoyed her quite a bit. I was able to come once (thanks to her) and if I am in SHanghai, I will stop by this place again. For sure.

I love to go to Judys. You can enjoy the bar or the hookers. Or you can enjoy both. I've left alone. I've left with someone. I've always had fun. Some girls were better left I the bar, but overall I usually got what I negotiated. I actually found a new Viet. I will share after I leave Shanghai. I was tired and she told me to leave the money out. I never do this. I didn't think I was good for two pops anyway. I had an SNG girl over at 5 and I was going for a Viet at 12.

I said WTH and left the cash out. If she ran out after round one I wouldn't have to throw her

As it turns out she stayed until I told her to go. She probably one of the best GFE I had done at judy' s or Manhattans. She was a 7. 5 or 8 that turned into. 8. 5 on chemistry. I leave soon and she has 2 weeks left in Shanghai. Stand in line guys. I have digits.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1793365]Found a gem who's been working in an MP and now willing to do takeout FS for some extra cash. Some of the regulars here have tried her and gotten super service. PM me for more info, no I'm not getting a penny out of this, you deal with her direct, I just provide contact info.[/QUOTE]Howdy mate. Would you mind sharing the contact? Happy to reciprocate for Beijing and Hong Kong with my contacts. Will be in Shanghai next week.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1793365]Found a gem who's been working in an MP and now willing to do takeout FS for some extra cash. Some of the regulars here have tried her and gotten super service. PM me for more info, no I'm not getting a penny out of this, you deal with her direct, I just provide contact info.[/QUOTE]Interested in also finding out the contact info. Can you PM me her details?

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Well, in the case of Kang Ding, all the X girls aren't expected to do any special services (no massage, no cat bath, nothing else). Two pops in one hour, that's it. They warned me about that before I chose an X girl. The cheaper ones do the full set of services.

[QUOTE=NoseDick;1794029]Dear mongers,

I recently had a trip to Shanghai. First night I wanted to try a sauna. I chose Kang Ding from Shanghai nightlife guide. In fact I had to purchase the VIP option to get the right address.

Despite having address on hand, finding the location wasn't easy. But manages eventually.

I am not Chinese nor speak a word. So google translate was essential for this place. Bot mama, and myself were using the app concurrently.

I chose a stunning X girl from the lineup. I was quoted 1600 with the discount. I thought very very expensive but chose anyway. Biiiig mistake.

In the room, she undressed and surely she was a stunner. Her pubic hair was attractive, the body firm and smooth..[/QUOTE]

Any of you guys try Summer yet in Pudong?

[QUOTE=Marty47;1795719]Any of you guys try Summer yet in Pudong?[/QUOTE]Yes, tried her last year when she was in Puxi. Skin a little darker than the photos show. Nice milfy body. Despite all the hyperbole she writes she is far from a MENSA candidate (so am I, so it's ok). After doing her in mish and doggie, she said the fateful words 'you know you can f*ck my ass'. Done deal. She wanted to smoke afterward so I split. WIR? No.

[QUOTE=Doitunderwater;1793097]Chit Chat.

Like many, I recall when this board had a lot of specific info that was a huge help to me and others who were new to China. Over the last few years people have noticed that when there is too much detail shared, those venues seem to get closed by Uncle LEO. Within the last 2 years it was suggested to be a little more general on the public side to protect the hobby and the providers we so enjoy. In that spirit, I offer the following field reports.

Buddha.

Been there a couple times this trip. Got #18, a very sweet girl who seems to really enjoy her work. Thin, a-cups, early 20's. Shower then mediocre back massage. Then milking position before the flip. She definitely knows how to use her hands and mouth to their best to relieve the lower stresses. A cups got a good licking and wandering hands found a very wet pair of lips to massage but no entry allowed. Damage 268 RMB.

AnYuan.

Sad report by others confirmed here. Glass doors are gone, metal roll doors are down, curtains blowing in the wind. All 5 places the same.

Pudong.

Had some time so went over to Pudong for a walk in the old neighborhood. Small places on Weifang still advertising "massage. " Intersection of Weifeng and Baoshan has several upscale looking places with plenty of legs showing. The old BBS's further down Baoshan all seem to be gone. Did not partake. Got to save something for my freebies!

Is it just me, or are more women going "white tiger?" Fine with me. :-the.

Have fun. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Mate,

It's not my impression there are more "white tigers" (shaved pussy) around. Like you I wouldn't mind.

I know we're all different, and enjoy different things, for me all that black hair is just a mood killer. Clean is best.

If anyone could be supportive with directions of where I can find such I would be very grateful!

[QUOTE=JayBird;1795982]Mate,

It's not my impression there are more "white tigers" (shaved pussy) around. Like you I wouldn't mind.

I know we're all different, and enjoy different things, for me all that black hair is just a mood killer. Clean is best.

If anyone could be supportive with directions of where I can find such I would be very grateful![/QUOTE]There seems to be a number of them at judys. I tend to get one out of every 2 or 3. A few have landing strips. Most are shaved to some extent.

I am unaware that Chinese guys refer to shaved pussy as [BLUE]'white tigers'[/BLUE].

The term [BLUE]'white tiger'[/BLUE] carries a very specific meaning (at least in South China). Traditionally, a girl with no pubic hair was considered to be probably [B]infertile[/B]. She was thus considered to be bad luck as the family lineage was (and is) so important to Chinese. Later, the superstition was broadened to include that guys would have bad luck if they slept with girls without pubes.

The Chinese have bred rare [BLUE]white tigers[/BLUE] in captivity for many years, and they have become largely [B]infertile[/B] due to inbreeding. Thus, girls without pubic hair became known as [BLUE]'white tigers[/BLUE]' .

The preceding explanation is an over simplification of the origins of the superstition. I have previously written in more detail about the superstition, but this brief explanation shows that the term [BLUE]'white tiger'[/BLUE] carries a specific and very different meaning to a pussy that has been shaved.

There is certainly no association of bad luck or infertility associated with banging a 'bleeding plucked white chicken'.

However, I do agree that trimmed or shaved pussies and tattoos, are all becoming more common over the past 5 years. I even know a professional girl with a masters degree in computer science (in Nanjing) with a very large goth tattoo on her right arm and a closely trimmed bush.

Ikksman.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1796176]I am unaware that Chinese guys refer to shaved pussy as [BLUE]'white tigers'[/BLUE].

The term [BLUE]'white tiger'[/BLUE] carries a very specific meaning (at least in South China). Traditionally, a girl with no pubic hair was considered to be probably [B]infertile[/B]. She was thus considered to be bad luck as the family lineage was (and is) so important to Chinese. Later, the superstition was broadened to include that guys would have bad luck if they slept with girls without pubes.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing the culture.

Ah, my favorite white tigers. They are out there but not as easy to find as in the western culture. There are those with this silly notion that it's bad luck, there are some that do not like the feeling when they don't keep up with the shaving, then there are those that are still seeing some local Chinese clients (good luck finding a white tiger in saunas), have BF's, or a partner back in their hometown. A hint to those in search of these illusive felines, start with the top flight indy's.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one who hates going into battle having to machete my way through tropical rain forest just to get to the objective.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1796267]Ah, my favorite white tigers. They are out there but not as easy to find as in the western culture. There are those with this silly notion that it's bad luck, there are some that do not like the feeling when they don't keep up with the shaving, then there are those that are still seeing some local Chinese clients (good luck finding a white tiger in saunas), have BF's, or a partner back in their hometown. A hint to those in search of these illusive felines, start with the top flight indy's.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one who hates going into battle having to machete my way through tropical rain forest just to get to the objective.[/QUOTE]I have mostly met shaved girls at Bodi.

And guys, please don't complain, in Shanghai at least they shave their armpits. Travel to country side and you will find some hairy friends. .

Brethren,

I heard the term the first time in 2005. A Chinese colleague was referring to a rare "breed" of girls. From the northern area of China where Women tend to have extremely little body hair. I had the pleasure only 2 x to find such a gem over the past 10 years. Those women are not shaved. They just tend to have a "tiny handful" of hair. Soft silky hair, barely noticeable. I shall do my best to take photographic evidence if I come across one.

Cheers,

Lao

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1796267]Ah, my favorite white tigers. They are out there but not as easy to find as in the western culture. There are those with this silly notion that it's bad luck, there are some that do not like the feeling when they don't keep up with the shaving, then there are those that are still seeing some local Chinese clients (good luck finding a white tiger in saunas), have BF's, or a partner back in their hometown. A hint to those in search of these illusive felines, start with the top flight indy's.{S N I P}[/QUOTE]Hi Arizonia,

Your post confused me a bit. I was unsure when you were referring to natural 'white tigers' (the condition of pubic atrichosis), or when you were referring to shaved pussy.

I would contend that no one, asian or caucasian, believes that shaved pussy is bad luck. The bad luck superstition that is held by some Chinese is with regard to natural 'white tigers' (I briefly explained why in my previous post).

There are many, like me, who adore true 'white tigers', or near 'white tigers', but abhor shaved, bleeding, scratchy, [B][blue] 'plucked white chickens'[/blue][/B] (which SEAJ informed us was a HK term).

Ikksman.

P.S. In Korea, girls that naturally lack abundant pussy hair, actually choose to have attractively shaped pubic hair transplants, thus restoring their 'fragrant grass'.

Had an enjoyable session at Kang Ding sauna. Easy to find from SNG card. Picked cute little thing M20. There was a wait so we sat in the waiting area with some light petting to get warmed up. Good nuru session. CIM during nuru. On to the bed. She worked very hard for a second shot but I was too tired to deliver. Played around and cuddle fit the remainder. I think I still prefer Peabody, but you guys in Shanghai have it good.

Weather has been very very bad since Oct. 21st in the MPs from Gubei area.

Girls from the place which got hit by the major thunderstorm on Oct. 21 or 22, are still held under close observation and not allowed to go out (manager included).

Usually manager gets out within 24 h and gets the girls out but this time its not going to happen for quite some time.

The whole gubei zone is hit repeatedly since then and not only at night time / peak hours but also during day / lunch time.

Showers are banned and the state of your short is very important (mine was a bit teared, the girl asked me to change immediatly for a new one to be safe in case as they were expecting visits soon).

So just stay away from there till the end of the month. And lets see after that.

Minghang seems to be safer (seems being the keyword as these days, noone really knows when / where the weather will change).

Three of us are going to Shanghai KTV tonight. Starts at 7:15. Looking for a few others. Total price will be about 1500 including drinks and girl sitting fee, but not including take out. Mid-range Shanghai KTV. I'm not an agent, just one of the guys. So far there are three of us. Looking for a few others. Pm me if you want to come.

Was wondering if anyone's been to the fake Playboy Club on Jiangninglu. Apparently also has boxing ring inside. Don't know what goes down there.

Been living in Shanghai a while, but have mostly been a Judys / Manhattan patron. Had very inconsistent results (mostly bad) with escort girls years back, so have avoided them.

For more than a year, noticed ad in Backpage with phone number and link to a website for what appeared to be an older, independent woman. Photos not particularly stunning. Assumed fair chance they were the actual woman.

Name CHERRY. "Sexy girl just for you. Independent and open minded - 29".

It was late and decided to give it a try. Sent message. Got a text message, then a phone call from woman speaking very good english. Very professional.

Shortly later woman showed up. Not the one in picture, much younger and heavier. I'm thinking "here we go" but went along with it. What proceeded was pretty much what I've come to expect. Upsell, then total lack of skills, "starfish', until I gave up and sent her on her way. Of course she acts disappointed, but clueless.

Now it's 2:15. Jump in taxi and head to Judy's where I met an enthusiastic, older MILF (my wheelhouse. I'm too old for the young ones). We were back to hotel by 3 and had a great session. Salvaged the evening, but unfortunately re-confirmed my experiences from many years back. The "escorts" advertising are high probability of a rip-off.

Side Note: on the positive, I've met a few of the girls on Steven's site SNG and had very good experience. I can recommend them, but suggest to stay off BP, CL.

I was in Shanghai in May 2015 and arranged a 1 HR massage with HJ for 780 + cab in my hotel from what looked like a real beauty in her online ad. Actual girl was not the same (duh) although quite attractive, so I was ok with it. She allowed nude / fondle for no upcharge but was mediocre with massage skills and took incoming cell phone calls 3 times to arrange more dates. The first one was in English when she'd only been there 10 minutes and she told the guy she'd be there in 30 minutes. I made a shocked expression and she just frowned and turned her back on me. Then she made an outbound call to jabber in Chinese with someone and I realized she was sending some other chick on that date. The full picture dawned on me and I realized the ads are just chum in the water to lure hungry sportfish like us into the net. At the end (after 2 more interrupting calls) she finished me ok but then wanted a tip. I tried to explain my disappointment at the disruption of the incoming calls but she pretended not to understand and began stomping her feet and almost shrieking. I had just arrived at this 5 star Pudong hotel and didn't want to get thrown out so I handed her a tip. She immediately stopped her theatrics, pocketed the dough and was gone in a flash. That whole ad scene is a big business gents, aimed at minimal service for high prices. You might get lucky, but as SnrMan says, SNG has better escort options as well as referrals from guys on this site.

Made.

[QUOTE=SnrMan;1797479]Been living in Shanghai a while, but have mostly been a Judys / Manhattan patron. Had very inconsistent results (mostly bad) with escort girls years back, so have avoided them.

For more than a year, noticed ad in Backpage with phone number and link to a website for what appeared to be an older, independent woman. Photos not particularly stunning. Assumed fair chance they were the actual woman.

Name CHERRY. "Sexy girl just for you. Independent and open minded - 29".

It was late and decided to give it a try. Sent message. Got a text message, then a phone call from woman speaking very good english. Very professional.

Shortly later woman showed up. Not the one in picture, much younger and heavier. I'm thinking "here we go" but went along with it. What proceeded was pretty much what I've come to expect. Upsell, then total lack of skills, "starfish', until I gave up and sent her on her way. Of course she acts disappointed, but clueless.

Now it's 2:15. Jump in taxi and head to Judy's where I met an enthusiastic, older MILF (my wheelhouse. I'm too old for the young ones). We were back to hotel by 3 and had a great session. Salvaged the evening, but unfortunately re-confirmed my experiences from many years back. The "escorts" advertising are high probability of a rip-off.

Side Note: on the positive, I've met a few of the girls on Steven's site SNG and had very good experience. I can recommend them, but suggest to stay off BP, CL.[/QUOTE]

I know there are many of these in Shanghai but I happened upon this one and had a good experience so I will share.

I had just had a great sauna experience at Jiang Li Sauna and was walking back up QiXin road to the Qibao metro stop (Line 9) when a little strip of retail shops on a cross street (Lianming Road) caught my eye and I decided on the spur of the moment to cross over and walk down it (westward direction). There were little fresh food stands and other small shops, and about 100 yards down I passed a little place with 3 women in matching burgundy uniforms sitting in a small waiting room. There was no English signage at all, just a poster of a cute kitty cat in the window. I had "a feeling" it might be an MP but kept walking. Came to a pharmacy and took advantage of the opportunity to refresh my vitamin see (which had just served me well at Jiang Li). 495 RMB for four 20 MG pills. Sealed Lilly factory packaging so I was happy. The little side trip had been productive.

Headed back towards QiXin road and when I got to the little kitty cat poster I figured WTH and just leaned my head in and asked "massage? Lots of nodding heads and they stood up. I thought it might be veggie but I had just left a big load at Jiang Li and I figured it would feel great anyway, so I walked in. A nice looking mid-30's MILF type took me by the hand. She led me up a steep flight of stairs to a small tidy room with a twin bed. There were a row of hooks on the wall and she helped me off with my jacket and hung it. I have learned from past experiences that it is good to establish a price in advance for whatever you're getting so I pulled out a small pad and a pen and wrote a Yen sign followed by an underlined blank space. She took the pen and wrote something in Chinese underneath it. I made a "hey forgive me I'm an idiot" face to indicate I don't understand, and wrote 200 into the blank and looked at her. She nodded and I figured I had at least established a budget baseline.

I proceeded to remove my shirt and hung it up while she stood by. Then I undid my pants and started to step out of them. She started excitedly talking in Chinese and I knew SOMETHING was up, just had no idea what. I reverted to my "no understand" expression and she picked up a big bottle of massage oil. She started pointing out to the corridor so I followed her and saw another room with a small shower in it. Ahhhh, I think what was happening was that I was in a veggie massage room but had just indicated by removing my pants that I had more in mind. It all made sense now. We moved everything into that room and she started the shower to get the temperature ok.

I stripped and showered while she spread a protective sheet out onto the massage table. I dried off and lay face down, figuring I'the just go with the flow for whatever was on the menu. She remained clothed and did quite a good, hard oil massage all over my back side. Felt great. On the flip she stood at my head and did a great sliding massage move all down my front. She moved to the side of the bed and did my legs. I was just lying there with my eyes closed enjoying the feeling when suddenly she made a little questioning noise and started rubbing my balls. I opened my eyes and she had a big smile and expectant look. I just smiled back and nodded and figured I'the see where this all went. She stood up and put fresh oil in her hands and really went to work on a vigorous HJ. I reached up to squeeze her chest and she had no problem. I slid my hand inside her uniform top, crawled my fingers inside her bra and was rolling her nice big nipple between my fingers as she continued to work. She finished me with enthusiasm and was all smiles.

After wiping me off she helped me to the shower again. She reached in and washed my entire back side. Great service and attitude. She helped me get dressed and we sat on the massage table while I tried to get my translator app to work but it wouldn't cooperate. I stood to get out my wallet and handed her three 100 Y notes, figuring a 100 Y tip would be appreciated. She wouldn't take them and shook her head. I thought "Uh oh" what's going on here? I've been scammed in China before. Here I was trapped on the top floor of a little building in a remote neighborhood. I was just waiting for some big apes to come storming in and shake me down. Amazingly, it was the opposite. I took out the paper and pen and pointed to the 200. She took it and wrote 120 after it. I put a plus sign between them and an equal sign followed by 420, figuring that's what she meant. She shook her head and pointed to the 120. Aha! She only wanted 120 for the whole thing and was refusing to charge me more. I gave her a big smile of acknowledgement and insisted she take 200. She smiled in appreciation and everybody left happy.

It's far away from central but if you want a warm and friendly MILF experience with a good massage and fondle / HJ for 120 the place is on the north side of Lianming Road about 100 yds west from the intersection with QiXin. (look for cute kitty posters in the window and burgundy uniforms). It's close (10 minutes walk) to the Qibao Metro stop on Line 9. She had no problem with me feeling her nips so you may be able to negotiate more. It's so cheap that extra money would hardly matter and who knows, she might not even charge. By the way, the Jiang Li Sauna is further south in QiXin and is awesome.

Steven at SNG recommended Jiang Li to me for my first sauna experience. I contacted one of the managers (Owen) thru WeChat and asked for recommendation on a girl that does DFK and CIM. He said #086 and sent pics. Quite stunning: tall light-skinned with a big chest. I wanted her to be fresh so we made a reservation for 12:30 (opening time) on a Friday. Got there at 11:45 used the card provided on SNG w / Owen's name on it to get in. At 5th floor reception no one knew about a reservation for #086 and Owen wasn't there. So I changed and was shown to a private waiting room (R17) with 3 lounge chairs and a TV. Outside the staff was vacuuming and getting the place ready. At about 12:30 they got me and I joined a big group (about 20 guys) being herded through a narrow entrance into the super-brightly lit selection room with about 30 girls up on a stage. No sign of 086 but fortunately I had read a good review below of 926 so I quickly grabbed her. They were going like hotcakes.

She's a cute little 19 yo spinner. The room was great with a comfortable bed / mirrors, and big wet room with a table. Since I speak no Chinese I had brought a SNG card that says I like DFK. She said she doesn't do it. The review said she kissed so I was disappointed, but figured by now only the real canines were left on that stage so I said OK. I had also brought cartoon-like drawings I copied from a Jap site that showed anal rimming and BBBJ. She giggled at that but then she leaned down close to my dick and gave it a very careful inspection before saying OK.

In the wet room she washed my brown eye with particular care, so I was confident I'd get some rimming. On the bed she gave an enthusiastic body slide and her pointy little nips felt nice. She flipped me and did a lubed-up foot job on me for a while. Very cool.

On the bed she did a cat bath on my back and legs. Each time she finished licking an area she went back over it with a hard sucking which was a really cool feeling, and also made me think her BBBJ might be awesome. Then she spread my legs and pulled my butt cheeks open. She applied some type of gel that was very cold (probably antiseptic) that dampened the experience a bit because I like the warm feel of the tongue down there. I have had some WGs use a finger to "rim" me when they know you can't see them but 926 had a hand on each butt cheek so I am confident the rimming was authentic. Although not long (maybe 3 minutes) she was not squeamish with it. Afterwards she rinsed her mouth and sprayed something in it. (She is quite fastidious, which may be a turn off for some guys). On the flip she wiped my dick with a handi-wipe of some kind and proceeded to show A grade BBBJ skills maintaining eye contact the whole time. I could have popped but definitely wanted to hold off so I could feel myself inside that tight little box.

After a while she stopped and pointed to her crotch with a little questioning expression and sound. I nodded and she carefully capped me. She put some lube on me and slowly lowered herself down, only wincing once. When I was all the way in I said "OK?" and she waited a second then said "OK" and started enthusiastic CG. After a few minutes she laid back and motioned she wanted me to do Mish. Since she was warmed up I gave it to her hard from the get go. She was surprised at first but really got into it and I ended up nutting nicely with her making the appropriate moans. She wasn't one of those all-the-time-moaners so I believe she actually was digging it. She gave me a thumbs-up and big grin after I pulled out.

We lay together for a while (the ceiling is a full mirror) and enjoyed what the Japanese call "sweet time". Then she took me back to the wet room and carefully washed me all over.

We dressed and I used my translator app to tell her I saw a review on SNG and that's why I picked her and asked if its OK if I refer more Americans to her. She was delighted.

Face - 9 (her picture is #22 on the directory of Jiang Li girls on SNG site).

Body. Tiny boobs but nice and tight everywhere.

Service - 8 - the fastidiousness is a little off-putting.

Attitude - 9 - a really sweet girl who genuinely wants to please, but on her terms a bit.

WIR. I never do because variety is the spice of life but I definitely recommend.

Lesson Learned. Make sure about reservations w / Owen. He apologized afterwards and sent me pics of some insanely hot new girls he promised to hook me up with.

Jiang Li is a classy place and I recommend it highly.

Thanks to Arizona123 for finding and sharing his "gem". Her name is Yuer. I had her come to my hotel room for a one hour session the same day I got to Shanghai. Tall and very firm and fit. Dressed nicely to meet me in lobby of 5 star hotel. Started the GFE right away by hooking arms with me as we walked to the elevator, and maintained a world class GFE experience for the full hour.

Started with a nice warm hug and tender DFK as soon as we got in the room. Slowly proceeded through fondling and clothing removal. Onto bed and lots more GFE kissing. I did some DATY (she is delicious) and she really liked it. She got on all fours so I gave her a little rimming to indicate I would like some too and she did return the favor. She put me on all fours with my head down, mounted me in reverse (her crotch straddled over my back, down by my shoulders) and proceeded to do intense athletic licking from my crack all the way down to the head of my rod. This girl is a sexual athlete. Moved on to splendid BBBJ skills. Could have cum but figured with jet lag I only have 1 shot in me and wanted to hold out as long as possible.

She covered me and mounted from above for some great CG. After a while she moved me over to a lounge / day bed type thing in the room, sat me on it, straddled my lap, slid me into her and rocked back and forth while we kissed. Damn that was fine.

I love to finish CIM so knowing I was getting close I moved us back to the bed, took the cover off and pointed to her mouth. With no hesitation she got on all fours over my lower legs and proceeded to do a super-athletic up-and-down bobbing with her long hair flailing against my legs and all kinds of great sucking sound effects. What a show! I held off as long as I could but what must be must be and that was an excellent ending.

She demurely excused herself to the bathroom to empty her mouth. I followed, offered the hotel-provided toothbrush and left her to freshen up. More (now minty-fresh) kissing and stroking for the final few minutes. I used translator app to tell her I'the gotten a referral from another American on a website and asked if it was ok for me to refer more Americans to her. She smiled and nodded, so PM me or Arizona123 if you want contact info. Yuer is truly a GFE gem so please treat her well. NOTE: she is a smoker so it would be good to have her brush her teeth BEFORE you start because you can taste the tobacco in all the DFK.

Face – 7/8 not a great beauty but perfectly nice.

Body – 8/9 super firm with nice be tits.

Service – 9/10.

Attitude – 10.

WIR – I never repeat because I like variety but I highly recommend for GFE.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;1793365]Found a gem who's been working in an MP and now willing to do takeout FS for some extra cash. Some of the regulars here have tried her and gotten super service. PM me for more info, no I'm not getting a penny out of this, you deal with her direct, I just provide contact info.[/QUOTE]

I just left Shanghai (Pudong) and found that many places were closed down. Seems that there is a windy season that will not stop. I was going to try Shanghai Nightlife but got shorted on time the last time so I just picked up a bartender from my bar at the Sofitel. She was very pretty and more than willing. Her name was Sarah. She said she doesn't normally do this but. Anyhow I had more luck in hotel bars than anywhere. Sarah gladly accepted 800 RMB for an all nighter.

The next night I was feeling lucky so I went to the Radison Blu New World. There was a 2 girl and 2 guy band playing. I kept exchanging looks with one of the girls in the band. Believe it or not we went into the ladies room and she gave me a nice blowey before the third set for 100 RMB.

Now I must say that I am very physically fit. Just got cut from an NFL team last year. I am 23 yo so I don't know if this is good luck, just me or what but there is much to be had in the hotel bars.

Good luck everyone!

Jasper.

I am the brown-eyed handsome man John Fogerty sang about in "Centerfield". My MLB contract is so out-sized (like my manhood), Russell Wilson told me he was dying from envy.

I took time in between innings during Game 4 of the just finished World Series and flew to Shanghai. I was at a Burger King when this world famous hot, tall, young, beautiful Chinese actress walked in. I smirked at her and she tore off her clothes, jumped on me and rode with wild abandon to her multiple orgasms, right at the ordering counter. Afterwards she thanked me and left me 35 rmb. I used that to order extra fries.

I then flew back to the States, had my limo waiting by the runway to take me to the stadium. I ran onto the field just in time to catch a fly ball before it went over the fence for a base clearing 4 runs home run.

Casper.

HB1 posted 9/26/15.

" IF you read my post from 2/14 titled "Tijuana's finest are at it again " you will see a similar thing happened to me. I too am a 25+ year veteran... "
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HB1 11/9/15.

"Now I must say that I am very physically fit. Just got cut from an NFL team last year. I am 23 yo...."
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HB1 10/18/15

"Anyone know if this is available in CR? I am headed there in a few weeks and would love to try some as the convential ED drugs give me a huge headache."
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I have some questions:

1. You were a 25+ years veteran of what? Did you start doing whatever that was before you were born?
2. As a very fit 23 years old, why do you need Viagra?
3. Do we have to pay you afterwards for jerking us off?

Instead of talking about my NHL career that I never had, or the girls that pay me to have sex with them, I will focus on, what? The truth. Or at least as much of it as I can share in an open forum.

I was at Judy's when I met my Viet. She is a 35 YO MILF. I mentioned her earlier. She is there for about 2 more weeks. I am home and don't have any more call for her. Her name is Lili. She says she has a kid but there is no see scar. She came to my place the first time, we started making out taking of our clothes and into the shower. Back in the bed, multiple positions, DATY available and BBBJ. I asked for CBJ and went from there. She says hse doesn't do this at home as the family is around. Who knows the truth. Ask Hobbiest1. , I am sure he knows.

Anyway, we had a good time, I paid 1200 for a couple hours. I wasn't clear that I assumed it was for more than one pop. She said no but I had popped 5 hours earlier with an SNG girl and didn't care. We worked a deal for her to come to my hotel at 6 pm and spend 2 hours and 2 pops. She would leave forJudy's. I didn't have to go to the Bar. For the same price she delivered 2 pops. I told her next time 3 pops and she said sure. I never closed that deal but surely was on my end. Her GFE is quite good. He face was flushed red after sex so she looked like she was having fun. Even if she wasn't she convinced me she was. She cuddled up against me and put her head on my shoulder. All in all, I almost forgot there was a transaction. We met 3 times in all and I was happy with each visit. She was in no rush to leave any time and made me feel special. She knows I am in the you. S now and is sending me texts. She wants to know why I stopped replying. Cause my dick can't reach SH from here!

I gave out her digits to one person (waiting or a thank you or report there!) who may be too busy with his other girls to try Lili out. She's a solid 7 o are 8. She is not a 10. The GFE made her a 9+ in my book. Of course YMMV.

Sam.

I have really hated my time in Jin Qiao. The massage girls either want 700 tip for an he and settle for about 400 and are truly disappointed. I think one of the reasons is Its a huge Expat community that doesn't know how to monger effectively.

All this time and I missed the SPA right near the Marriott east on the corner.

This SPA is huge and there are usually half dozen expensive cars parked right in front of the place. Finally out of desperation I tried it. I wished I had found it earlier. I went in the place is all marble. I elected for the 90 minute massage for 338. The upgraded room was 438 or so. My expectations were low. I didn't even know if I was getting an he out of this one.

In walks a 23 years old hot chick from Cheng du. She is wearing a white skirt that comes down and barely covers the butt. She proceeds to give a quality massage. Caresses the butt a few times. She is at the head of the massage table so I rub her legs and hold her butt. No stopping me so I go under the underwear, play with her bottom. She didn't want me touching the mei mei but gladly let me rub it through the underwear. She got wet very quickly this way.

Finally on the flip she does a teasing massage all the way round the groin. Finally she smiles and ask if I want her to go further. I say yes, tip is discussed. I started at 300 cause JinQiao sux. She said 500, but I held ground at 300. I think 200 would have worked had I tried. Finish was fun, free roaming of the chest and below the waist as described. After I popped, she got some hot towels and cleaned me up. I was naked and felt like a little baby. We had a good time. She said 20 girls worked there at that moment. I saw the upgraded room. It was a 4 post bed with canope and curtains. She said they massage on it but I think there may be more on that menu. It looks like full service kinda bed but I know where my mind is.

Anyway if stuck in the area, this is probably the best around based on price and tip. I have paid much more for much less there. I would prefer Puxi but if stuck in Pudong, this place will get you through.

SAM.

I sampled a new outcall independent gal recently. Wild Wind's report on her described her great service. Pm us for contact info. We will be happy to introduce her to the Shsnghai scene.

BJ.

[QUOTE=WildWind;1798023]Steven at SNG recommended Jiang Li to me for my first sauna experience.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the FR now I've got to try. Could you please provide more detail about location?

What is SNG?

Thanks

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1798390]I am the brown-eyed handsome man John Fogerty sang about in "Centerfield". My MLB contract is so out-sized (like my manhood), Russell Wilson told me he was dying from envy.

I took time in between innings during Game 4 of the just finished World Series and flew to Shanghai. I was at a Burger King when this world famous hot, tall, young, beautiful Chinese actress walked in. I smirked at her and she tore off her clothes, jumped on me and rode with wild abandon to her multiple orgasms, right at the ordering counter. Afterwards she thanked me and left me 35 rmb. I used that to order extra fries.

I then flew back to the States, had my limo waiting by the runway to take me to the stadium. I ran onto the field just in time to catch a fly ball before it went over the fence for a base clearing 4 runs home run.

Casper.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, you made my day!

Lev.

May I join in. ?

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Levitian;1798705]Hahaha, you made my day!

Lev.[/QUOTE]

Hi Bros,

I always listen about great stories here. Let me share a non as great one.

Some weeks ago it was Thursday night (late) and I decided to go outside my Hotel (OKURA GARDEN) for some action. There was a woman in front of the hotel that point me and offered me to go a girls bar close to the hotel. I KNOW. You never have to accept this street proposals but was to late and I know next to the hotel there were some girls bars. We go into her car and drives for 35 minutes.

The places was a normal massage like others in SH. Nothing special. After some minutes waiting she told me that all girls were busy and we had to go to another place. On that point I was thinking to give up and look for an alternative by myself but the other place was just 2 min walking from the first. It was a horrible KTV In the 5th floor of an industrial building. I KNOW. On that point I was almost starting running on the opposite direction but I don't know why I continued. They bring me to a room and 2 girls appear one requesting me 200 RMB and the other started touching me. I just decided to pay and go on. I spent almos 1 h to arrive here and I was just looking for some action. Even if it was in the worst place even.

The was just a 6. FJ and nothing more to say. When she finished she went out and bring an old Chivas bottle. That's the point where noticed some more than a bad experience was coming. In about one minute 6 guys came into the room requesting me 20.000 RMB for the room and the bottle. Fortunately I have been living in Beijing for a wile and know how to manage that but I guess if this is your first time in China. You are done. What I did? Just pronounce the magic words. "I live in Beijing. I'm not a tourist. I'll call the police. " when they listen the word police and after to speak loud couple of times they decided to open the door and I just scape.

Well. I know I haven't done it well. Never follow anyone in the street. I just want to share with you to remember that principal.

[QUOTE=SG666;1798879]Hi Bros,

I always listen about great stories here. Let me share a non as great one.

Some weeks ago it was Thursday night (late) and I decided to go outside my Hotel (OKURA GARDEN) for some action. There was a woman in front of the hotel that point me and offered me to go a girls bar close to the hotel. I KNOW. You never have to accept this street proposals but was to late and I know next to the hotel there were some girls bars. We go into her car and drives for 35 minutes.

The places was a normal massage like others in SH. Nothing special. After some minutes waiting she told me that all girls were busy and we had to go to another place. On that point I was thinking to give up and look for an alternative by myself but the other place was just 2 min walking from the first. It was a horrible KTV In the 5th floor of an industrial building. I KNOW. On that point I was almost starting running on the opposite direction but I don't know why I continued. They bring me to a room and 2 girls appear one requesting me 200 RMB and the other started touching me. I just decided to pay and go on. I spent almos 1 h to arrive here and I was just looking for some action. Even if it was in the worst place even.

The was just a 6. FJ and nothing more to say. When she finished she went out and bring an old Chivas bottle. That's the point where noticed some more than a bad experience was coming. In about one minute 6 guys came into the room requesting me 20.000 RMB for the room and the bottle. Fortunately I have been living in Beijing for a wile and know how to manage that but I guess if this is your first time in China. You are done. What I did? Just pronounce the magic words. "I live in Beijing. I'm not a tourist. I'll call the police. " when they listen the word police and after to speak loud couple of times they decided to open the door and I just scape.

Well. I know I haven't done it well. Never follow anyone in the street. I just want to share with you to remember that principal.[/QUOTE]You know? And the magic words are 'I live in BJ'? If the story is true, the alternative outcome is you wake up in the ally with half your bones broken. Makes you shake your head asking wtf was he thinking. This entire story sounds like you borrowed a page from our friend from Tiajuana.

SNG is Shanghai Nightlife Guide. Its a website for mongering in SH. Click the tab for "Girls Sauna Shanghai" then select Jiang Li from the list. Once you open that Jiang Li tab another tab becomes available with pics of the girls by number. Its located on QiXin road about a 20 minute walk south of the Qibao metro stop. Detailed directions and an entry card are on SNG. Long way from central SH but very nice.

[QUOTE=MacTheNight;1798638]Thanks for the FR now I've got to try. Could you please provide more detail about location?

What is SNG?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Here is a pic of #926 from Jiang Li that I wrote about.

[QUOTE=WildWind;1798023]Steven at SNG recommended Jiang Li to me for my first sauna experience. I contacted one of the managers (Owen) thru WeChat and asked for recommendation on a girl that does DFK and CIM. He said #086 and sent pics. Quite stunning: tall light-skinned with a big chest. I wanted her to be fresh so we made a reservation for 12:30 (opening time) on a Friday. Got there at 11:45 used the card provided on SNG w / Owen's name on it to get in. At 5th floor reception no one knew about a reservation for #086 and Owen wasn't there. So I changed and was shown to a private waiting room (R17) with 3 lounge chairs and a TV. Outside the staff was vacuuming and getting the place ready. At about 12:30 they got me and I joined a big group (about 20 guys) being herded through a narrow entrance into the super-brightly lit selection room with about 30 girls up on a stage. No sign of 086 but fortunately I had read a good review below of 926 so I quickly grabbed her. They were going like hotcakes.

She's a cute little 19 yo spinner. The room was great with a comfortable bed / mirrors, and big wet room with a table. Since I speak no Chinese I had brought a SNG card that says I like DFK. She said she doesn't do it. The review said she kissed so I was disappointed, but figured by now only the real canines were left on that stage so I said OK. I had also brought cartoon-like drawings I copied from a Jap site that showed anal rimming and BBBJ. She giggled at that but then she leaned down close to my dick and gave it a very careful inspection before saying OK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamCan;1798493]I have really hated my time in Jin Qiao. The massage girls either want 700 tip for an he and settle for about 400 and are truly disappointed. I think one of the reasons is Its a huge Expat community that doesn't know how to monger effectively.

All this time and I missed the SPA right near the Marriott east on the corner.

This SPA is huge and there are usually half dozen expensive cars parked right in front of the place. Finally out of desperation I tried it. I wished I had found it earlier. I went in the place is all marble. I elected for the 90 minute massage for 338. The upgraded room was 438 or so. My expectations were low. I didn't even know if I was getting an he out of this one.

In walks a 23 years old hot chick from Cheng du. She is wearing a white skirt that comes down and barely covers the butt. She proceeds to give a quality massage. Caresses the butt a few times. She is at the head of the massage table so I rub her legs and hold her butt. No stopping me so I go under the underwear, play with her bottom. She didn't want me touching the mei mei but gladly let me rub it through the underwear. She got wet very quickly this way.

Finally on the flip she does a teasing massage all the way round the groin. Finally she smiles and ask if I want her to go further. I say yes, tip is discussed. I started at 300 cause JinQiao sux. She said 500, but I held ground at 300. I think 200 would have worked had I tried. Finish was fun, free roaming of the chest and below the waist as described. After I popped, she got some hot towels and cleaned me up. I was naked and felt like a little baby. We had a good time. She said 20 girls worked there at that moment. I saw the upgraded room. It was a 4 post bed with canope and curtains. She said they massage on it but I think there may be more on that menu. It looks like full service kinda bed but I know where my mind is.

Anyway if stuck in the area, this is probably the best around based on price and tip. I have paid much more for much less there. I would prefer Puxi but if stuck in Pudong, this place will get you through.

SAM.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. I went there when it opened, just saw it as legitimate and over-priced. I speculated on this forum that there must be more than I had seen, judging by the rows of expensive cars parked outside all day, every day. Seems you unlocked the secret door, well done.

I know what you mean about Jinqiao. The massage places on that street all want to up-sell for crazy money and the BBS across Yang Gao are pretty low end. There was a good FS sauna hiding in plain sight in a hotel in the heart of expat-land, but it changed to massage about a year ago. About a year ago I went to a massage shop on the corner of Lantian Road (they moved from the rip-off end of Hong Feng) - their prices and service were more realistic than the others. Might be worth a try, at least one of their girls was available for take-out.

Good luck.

Are.

Like I have said before. Shanghai = SCAMHAI.

There is no code of honor in the shittiest city in the world. At every turn the people are there to scam you. I think the entire country is a toilet.

Stay away!

[QUOTE=SG666;1798879]Hi Bros,

I always listen about great stories here. Let me share a non as great one.

Some weeks ago it was Thursday night (late) and I decided to go outside my Hotel (OKURA GARDEN) for some action. There was a woman in front of the hotel that point me and offered me to go a girls bar close to the hotel. I KNOW. You never have to accept this street proposals but was to late and I know next to the hotel there were some girls bars. We go into her car and drives for 35 minutes.

The places was a normal massage like others in SH. Nothing special. After some minutes waiting she told me that all girls were busy and we had to go to another place. On that point I was thinking to give up and look for an alternative by myself but the other place was just 2 min walking from the first. It was a horrible KTV In the 5th floor of an industrial building. I KNOW. On that point I was almost starting running on the opposite direction but I don't know why I continued. They bring me to a room and 2 girls appear one requesting me 200 RMB and the other started touching me. I just decided to pay and go on. I spent almos 1 h to arrive here and I was just looking for some action. Even if it was in the worst place even.

The was just a 6. FJ and nothing more to say. When she finished she went out and bring an old Chivas bottle. That's the point where noticed some more than a bad experience was coming. In about one minute 6 guys came into the room requesting me 20.000 RMB for the room and the bottle. Fortunately I have been living in Beijing for a wile and know how to manage that but I guess if this is your first time in China. You are done. What I did? Just pronounce the magic words. "I live in Beijing. I'm not a tourist. I'll call the police. " when they listen the word police and after to speak loud couple of times they decided to open the door and I just scape.

Well. I know I haven't done it well. Never follow anyone in the street. I just want to share with you to remember that principal.[/QUOTE]

Cannot believe the lame " I am from Beijing " would get anyone out of a jam as described. Maybe they misheard SG666, and thought he said " I am from Shaollin Temple !!"

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1799017]Like I have said before. Shanghai = SCAMHAI.
There is no code of honor in the shittiest city in the world. At every turn the people are there to scam you. I think the entire country is a toilet.
Stay away![/QUOTE]Shanghai: [BLUE]"shittiest city in the world"[/BLUE].
Oslo: [BLUE]"the people to be complete assholes."[/BLUE].
Tijuana: [BLUE]"Fuck you Tijuana and your shitty crooked cops!".[/BLUE].
Racist, offensive language: [BLUE]"FUCK YOU CHINKS! ASSHOLES!"[/BLUE].

[b]Do you think that you may be the problem? You need to take a good hard look at yourself![/b]

No intelligent ISGer gives any credence to your rants (just groans when another of your posts appear), or even respect you in any way at all - especially after you write blatant lies about your background.

[QUOTE=Ringer5;1799006]That's interesting. I went there when it opened, just saw it as legitimate and over-priced. I speculated on this forum that there must be more than I had seen, judging by the rows of expensive cars parked outside all day, every day. Seems you unlocked the secret door, well done.

I know what you mean about Jinqiao. The massage places on that street all want to up-sell for crazy money and the BBS across Yang Gao are pretty low end. There was a good FS sauna hiding in plain sight in a hotel in the heart of expat-land, but it changed to massage about a year ago. About a year ago I went to a massage shop on the corner of Lantian Road (they moved from the rip-off end of Hong Feng) - their prices and service were more realistic than the others. Might be worth a try, at least one of their girls was available for take-out.

Good luck.

Are.[/QUOTE]Yes I remember reading your post about the cars and agree. I wish I had checked shanana my first visit not my last. I may not be going back anytime soon. The massage was good as well.

I had been going to another spa about 2 blocks and two street lights to the north of shanana
The massage was just a prelude to an he and not good. The girls wants 500 tips for minimal work. As I said I think I could have got it for 200 at shanana. Wish I had one more chance to try.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1799254]Cannot believe the lame " I am from Beijing " would get anyone out of a jam as described. Maybe they misheard SG666, and thought he said " I am from Shaollin Temple !!"[/QUOTE]I don't think the I am from Beijing part is the magic word or have any magical effect.

But demonstrating your willingness to go the police may be a deterrent to some scammers.

Some of the thugs have deep connections with local LE, so they might not be afraid of getting police involved.

But there are also common scammers who are still afraid of spending some quality time in jail.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1792035]Haven't posted in some time.

I found a massage parlour near Zhaojiabang road the other night, was a bit bored so I went in. (I can't be more forthcoming with the exact address, it was dark and I'm useless without my glasses).

Was greeted and taken into a room upstairs. Waited for a bit and this one girl came in. She looked decent maybe my age (mid 20's). I didn't get any lineup and I believe no one was really there as it was so late.

Took a shower and laid down on the bed after prep, and me squirming around trying to fit on a bed too short for me. (Interestingly it was just a normal bed with a hole cut in for my face, wasn't sure was to make of it.) Started off with a fairly decent massage then a back rub with hot towels. Then she started locking me all over. Inever had this before so I was just confused and decided to go along with it.

She propped me up on my knees and cleaned me up down below and started locking there too. Honestly never had that done to me before and I'm not really a fan of it. Still went along and wanted to see what was next. Flipped me around and got the lube ready and went to town on my sausage. Pretty good HJ and about 20 minutes in I finally let it out. Another bath and off I was.

Didn't ask her name, wasn't too interested. If I do find the place again I'll probably go back. (Was near some high rise flats and has a neon sign in red saying MASSAGE). Damage - 210rmb.

Last night I went to one of the bard near jing an temple, obvious wg bar but I never went into one. One girl called me in for happy hour and I felt like having a beer. She chatted me up a bit and I bought her a drink. Only saw chinese girls there. Played pool for a bit with her friend then I got a call and had to leave urgently.

I don't think I've seen these bars mentioned on the forum, just Manhattan and Judy etc. Is there any reason why.[/QUOTE]Hi dude.

That kind a Bars are just for drink and sometimes push customers to spend a lot of money. When you offer a drink to the girl, almost overtime you pay a cocktail but there is just coke or sprite inside hers glass.

Sometimes I hat fun in that kind of bar, specially when they were on lulu road. But need be smart and don t let loose to offer drinks to every girls. Almost 7 months before a european had a bill of 15000 rmb, was already high when he arrived, start drink and offer to a dozen of girls. Easy lost control. Need be ready to spend 1500 rmb only with one girl and maybe can receive a BJ there. Pick up only after 3/4 in the morning or need pay to the manager some money. (not few).

Be safety.

Hi friends,

Visiting Shanghai for the 1st time from 26th November to 1st Dec.

Would be grateful for any independent contacts.

Can reciprocate with contacts in India.

Look forward to your PM.

Thanks

For all of you that are not familiar with it, the US dating site TINDER has been discovered by working girls everywhere. Fired up my mobile version, accepted every pretty picture I saw and within 30 minutes got two contacts from some beauties that wanted to come to my hotel. One wanted 800 RMB full service including massage, the better looking one wanted 1500. Was just in the mood for a massage and happy ending, so turned both of them down and went looking for a massage place.

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;1801592]For all of you that are not familiar with it, the US dating site TINDER has been discovered by working girls everywhere. Fired up my mobile version, accepted every pretty picture I saw and within 30 minutes got two contacts from some beauties that wanted to come to my hotel. One wanted 800 RMB full service including massage, the better looking one wanted 1500. Was just in the mood for a massage and happy ending, so turned both of them down and went looking for a massage place.[/QUOTE]Possibly a wise choice. China is a minefield and you ought to tread carefully in the online P4 P market. There are innumerable cases of bait & switch. That aside, sometimes its LE posing as a cute chick waiting for unsuspecting prey. I know a chap from France who got chatting with a "girl" he supposedly met on WeChat. He got stringed up nice and proper with steamy texts and after a couple of days he arranged to meet the "girl" in his apartment. Unfortunately instead of the girl, 2 cops showed up and marched his ass downtown. Prostitution is illegal in China and has penalties for the buyer as well. But often the law is used to extort money from the victims in exchange for a quick settlement without any records.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=SG666;1798879]....In about one minute 6 guys came into the room requesting me 20.000 RMB for the room and the bottle. Fortunately I have been living in Beijing for a wile and know how to manage that but I guess if this is your first time in China. You are done. What I did? Just pronounce the magic words. "I live in Beijing. I'm not a tourist. I'll call the police. " when they listen the word police and after to speak loud couple of times they decided to open the door and I just scape.[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding.

First up, this is bad advice for anyone visiting Shanghai for the first time. Those "magic words" will not save your ass. You will get beaten and / or you will simply pay up. These goons fear nothing. Most of the cops are on their payroll so don't count on some uniform to come your rescue.

Secondly, the 35 minute taxi ride should have helped make a decision.

I think this story went another way. Or it simply did not happen.

Hi B, not picking on you, but:

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1801600]You got to be kidding.
First up, this is bad advice for anyone visiting Shanghai for the first time. Those "magic words" will not save your ass. You will get beaten and / or you will simply pay up. These goons fear nothing. [b]Most of the cops are on their payroll so don't count on some uniform to come your rescue.[/b]{S N I P}[/QUOTE]Most of the cops are on the payroll of these petty criminal thugs? I don't think so! Sure, KTV and saunas make regular and agreed payments to various officials, but these thugs? Naah!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1801597]{S N I P}I know a chap from France who got chatting with a "girl" he supposedly met on WeChat. He got stringed up nice and proper with steamy texts and after a couple of days he arranged to meet the "girl" in his apartment. Unfortunately instead of the girl, 2 cops showed up and marched his ass downtown. {S N I P}[/QUOTE]In some cities (eg SZ), LE are using WeChat to entrap mongers. But there are numerous ways to dramatically decrease the levels of risk. For example:

• Video chat with the 'girl' on WeChat.
• Use a second phone (maybe even a foreign SIM card).
• Hide your location by using 'FakeGPS'.
• Arrange to meet the girl at a location away from your apartment.
• Turn your second phone off and hide it (last message, immediately before meeting the girl is to tell her the battery is dying).
• Chat and negotiate with the 'girl' a number of times - even over a couple of days (LE won't waste all the manhours doing this; they have easier prey to trap).
• Etc, etc.

However, for me, Wechat is no longer the medium of choice for meeting freebies, part-time girls or WGs. Four years ago, it was a very safe and very productive tool.

Also, a few months ago, you wrote:

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1743765]I have been travelling to China for quite a few years now. The average SYT you are after may not speak a word of English but she is much smarter than you think and will run circles around you before she lets you touch her. You are absolutely right Ikksman. Most come from remote provinces and throng at the big city gates. Almost all are looking for upgrades in life. [b]If you want to get into the pants of a non-working girl you have to wine & dine her, get her expensive gifts and take her on frequent holidays.[/b]{S N I P}[/QUOTE]Maybe?! But for a SYT from the provinces, a meal at Kung Fu, a trinket from a jewelry stall and a ride on the subway back to one's apartment will suffice! And the fact that she doesn't speak English is an advantage as she is embarrassed about the lack of conversation, and doesn't know where you are taking her!

Now a smart Shanghai born and bred girl! Well, she is a different matter. You have to tell her that you own a luxury car and a mansion (well, at least the few that I have met)!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=KoolMan1973;1801220]Hi friends,

Visiting Shanghai for the 1st time from 26th November to 1st Dec.

Would be grateful for any independent contacts.

Can reciprocate with contacts in India.

Look forward to your PM.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Since you are new and probably do not speak Chinese, I would avoid any complications and rather go one of the well known bars as Manhatten or Judys.

[URL]http://shanghai.beguide.com/night-life-yellow-pages/bars-clubs/pickup-bars/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1801624]Hi B, not picking on you, but:

Most of the cops are on the payroll of these petty criminal thugs? I don't think so! Sure, KTV and saunas make regular and agreed payments to various officials, but these thugs? Naah![/QUOTE]Ikksman, I would never think of you as picking on me. You have way more experience than me and it shows in the posts. No contest there.

Its simple economics to me. When the state pays a cop lower than the subsistence wage, the cop will be on an alternate payroll, no matter how petty the thug may be. It might sound ridiculous but quite a few of these "petty thugs" are ex-cops discharged dishonorably from service and have no other avenues for employment. These thugs don't have to bribe the entire police force, just a few cops at the station covering the precinct where they are located. They know who grease.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1801624]In some cities (eg SZ), LE are using WeChat to entrap mongers. But there are numerous ways to dramatically decrease the levels of risk. [/QUOTE]Some excellent advice here. Committed to memory & SOP immediately. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1801624]Maybe?! But for a SYT from the provinces, a meal at Kung Fu, a trinket from a jewelry stall and a ride on the subway back to one's apartment will suffice! And the fact that she doesn't speak English is an advantage as she is embarrassed about the lack of conversation, and doesn't know where you are taking her!

Now a smart Shanghai born and bred girl! Well, she is a different matter. You have to tell her that you own a luxury car and a mansion (well, at least the few that I have met)!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I guess you have been lucky & that is good on you. I have had it tougher.

Went to the 4th floor of a hotel near to the intercontinental and got a great massage with happy ending. Originally quoted 500 but ended up at 350. Not sure if that's the going rate but I was pretty happy. Alsonot sure if I should give the exact locaton here on thenboard or if LE is a concern. If someone lets me know I can edit this post, otherwise just PM fro info.

Not much on this thread so here goes. I was striking out trying to get some regulars to visit me, so I went to 851 Shaaxxi Road. Previously #5 there had good reviews. I picked the present #5. The first thing you notice is the large juggs. She was not hired two months ago for any massage skills. Too long slurping on my back and no access to the goods down under. No BBBJ which I assumed was standard there. Her hand finish was adequate. Why do they need four guys to hang out in the lobby? To make sure the ashtray remains full? The cops are next door if there is any trouble! Fellow punters, give this place a pass. I have not been to Buddah around the corner, but #7 and especially #9 at Min will allow DATY and perform a an excellent BBBJ. #9 will ask you to buy her a house. Two thumbs up for Min. Let Shaanxi Road die a peaceful death. #3 and #18 are long gone. The only ones worth seeing. Oh! The Memories!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1803846] . #3 and #18 are long gone. The only ones worth seeing. Oh! The Memories![/QUOTE]BJ, where did 18 go? Did she leave the business and go home?

Quality, as per most saunas, rather good. Kang Ding's price has been made more affordable by the 200 off deal Steve cut.

Anyway, just wanted to mention that main door was locked up. I hovered a bit and saw that a runner was picking up customers and escorting them in the back way. Normal way is pretty indiscreet. It's next to a gym and a girl on stationary bike watched me as I (twice) walked up the outer stairs. She was kinda hot so it added to the experience, I thought. But she seemed to know what I was looking for.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1798938]You know? And the magic words are 'I live in BJ'? If the story is true, the alternative outcome is you wake up in the ally with half your bones broken. Makes you shake your head asking wtf was he thinking. This entire story sounds like you borrowed a page from our friend from Tiajuana.[/QUOTE]Which interest I have to create a fake story in a website with nick names?!

Anyway, if it works to remember to be careful.

Hi everyone,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

This is my way of sharing my own experience and thanking for whole community that's been working hard.

First of, let me introduce myself briefly. I'm a FBC (as in French Born Chinese) in my early 30's. Lived for several months in Shanghai in 2008 and have been travelling back and forth a couple of times few years ago so I'm pretty familiar with the city and can speak decent mandarin which helps in the mongering area.

Last month, I was in SH for two weeks so had plenty of times to visit and relax.

Here's my field report:

BBS:

As some of you already stated, the few BBS at AnYuan Rd. Changde Rd. Are now closed. That's very sad because I remember back in the old days, there used to be some nice talents over there.

Another favorite of mine on QiXia Rd. Is closed as well. Though, one night, I was walking on the street and saw a few girls on the street trying to appeal guys. Did not waste my time asking for services or prices.

So after all those disappointments, decided to go to HongSong Rd. (close to metro station LongBaiXinCun on Line 10) which is considered to be the heaven for BBS.

Actually if you walk on that street you'll easily notice 5/6 BBSs. Girls would be between 5 and 7 I guess. Was very surprised by the standing of these BBSs. Nothing compared to the ones on AnYuan as the places look recent and decent! There's even a shower in the room! Was quoted 400 Y for BJ and FS and tried to go for 200 Y but the mamasan almost laughed at me. Finally paid 300 Y. Sex was great and girl pretty GFE. After 15 min of action and a quick shower I was out.

For those of you who do not want to venture so far away, there's a similar place at the intersection of YuYao Rd. XiKang Rd. And ChangPing Rd but did not try that one.

Will not repeat as I prefer to spend a little more for better experience (unless very horny and looking for a quick bang).

MP:

Went to the famous Buddha place on a Friday night. Place looks decent. Did not have the option to choose the girl but the one that came to my room was nice looking (6. 5).

She gave me a towel and asked me to shower and wait for her naked on the massage bed. The experience was very good and she gave me a good BBJ and HJ.

Damage was 268 Y, a pretty good deal for me but did not repeat as I had other priorities.

Sauna:

Sacrosa.

I went there twice because of the good value for money (both times paid 580 Y) and I prefer to pay a little more for a complete 'experience' rather than going to BBSs.

To my surprise, the place is still decent but I guess this place is cheaper than the others because girls do not look as gorgeous as other places.

First time I went, I chose a 20 year-old cutie (7/10 looking). Can't remember her number sorry I'm not good with that! LOL The massage, licking and fucking was excellent and her attitude as well. After 1st pop, little didi was a bit tired but she helped me and put on some great effort for a 2nd pop.

The second time I went, the place was so crowded (around 4:30 PM on a Thurs.) and had to wait 10 min for going into the locker room and another 30 min before choosing the girl. The lineup was pretty short as a result but did not want to wait more for another look for ended up choosing a 25 year old girl (5.5 or 6/10 looking). Once again experience was good but 1st time was better. Had only 1 pop and spent the rest of the time talking to the girl. She gave me useful information. For instance some girls are so demanded that you will never see them on the lineup. Regulars just know their numbers and call to make a reservation. Some girls do not even have time to take a break but make huge money!

So I guess, models do exist in Sacrosa, you just need to know the number and routine.

Will repeat next time I am in SH and try to get one of these models' number.

Bodi:

Went there on a Sunday afternoon but place was closed!! Damn it! That was a must do for me but I left SH without going back!

The guy standing in front of the sauna told me that there was a problem with hot water so no Nuru available hence no sauna. He gave me his number for next time to make.

Sure the place will be open. During the short stretch of time I was talking to him, I saw at least 5/6 guys coming and leaving frustrated just like me! Haha.

Anyway, another piece of information for you guys, now prices would be 900 Y or 1200 Y depending of the girls. Last time (2011) there was only one rate 880 Y.

Jian Li:

Being left over at Bodi and feeling very horny, I decided to hit Jian Li sauna. Went there by subway and took me forever to get there. BTW, SNG's indication is not very accurate as the closest subway station is NOT LianHua on Line 1 but QiBao on line 9. However, Steven and his team are doing a great job and not trying to blame them but just correct them. The Place is not easy to find but if you follow SNG carefully you'll land at the right place. Got there and told the guards I was looking for Owen.

Went to the elevator and 5th floor we go. The place is huge and Jian Li was the best sauna experience during my trip. After the locking room step, I was guided right to the lineup. Pretty impressive for a Sunday evening. Around 25/30 girls I would say. Very few 7 xx, some 8 xx, lots of 9 xx and few models.

Chose a 9 xx, very cute (8. 5/10 looking), nice legs and breasts in her early 20's. Had to wait 20 min for a room as the girl told me the place is very crowded especially on a Sunday. Did not mind as the talking with the girl was good. On to the room, the wet area was massive and you have a mirror at the ceiling just at the top of the bed. Nice!

The Nuru part was excellent and could not wait for the second part to bang the girl so we did it on the wet bed. Very nice fucking.

Once on the bed, we took some time to relax and chat. She turned on the tv and a Japanese porn movie was on. Kinda turn me on. She asked me if I liked these movies and replied why watching a movie when a very sexy girl is standing naked just beside me. That made her laugh and she decided to treat my little didi for a second round.

Overall a very nice experience. Once everything is done, you can even have a meal in the relaxing area.

Damage was 1050 Y.

Little pricey but if you can afford it go for it!

RedHouse:

For this one, I was long hesitating between KangDing and N45 as well. I chose RedHouse because I was having lunch with a friend of mine and was already in the XuJiaHui area and least I can say is that I should have gone to KD instead. The place is old and small. Even Sacrosa looks better. You absolutely have to call Jimmy (contact on SNG website) at least the first time you go as the sauna is underground. Lineup was good around 20/25 girls. I chose an A girl which caught my eyes as soon as I saw her.

Very cute (9/10 looking) and one of the best legs in town (yeah yeah I like them long and fit! LOL). Anyway, once in the room the experience turned out to be very lousy.

First of, the room is small and the wet area tiny. Nothing compared to Jian Li. As for the massage, I was very disappointed. No talking during the session, very mechanical, she looked like she would rather be somewhere else (ok ok this is not the best job ever but no one forced her to be there. I guess). During sex, I had the feeling I was '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url]' her. So decided to stop there and leave now. To my surprised she agreed. I know that in most places if you leave early the girl can be fined. Anyway before leaving, told her I was very unpleased with her service and asked to speak with manager. After 15 minutes of conversation with manager, Jimmy's assistant and the girl. Managed to get a discount for terrible service. When I ended the session, there was 30 min more to go and the manager asked is I wanted to have these 30 min they owe me with the same girl. No way I was spending another minute with her. He then told me that it was impossible for me to choose another girl to make up for these 30 min so ended up agreeing on a discount.

I know that the girl was fine 100 Y and the sauna took another 100 Y on their own.

Of course, it helps to speak some mandarin.

Damage was 800 Y instead of 998 Y I guess.

Will not repeat for sure.

Overall, it was a nice coming back. Sauna's definitely the best experience in town for me. MPs are a good deal but from now on will try to avoid BBSs not because of safety issue. Why would you pay 300 Y for a quick bang if you can have a nice experience at Sacrosa.

One regret though, I wish I went to Heting instead of the 2nd time at Sacrosa because you've got to try different things right? Although Heting is a little more pricey I read.

Hope this helps future mongers and once again keep up the good work.

SH, I'll see in the near future hopefully.

Have fun guys and take care.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1803981]Quality, as per most saunas, rather good. Kang Ding's price has been made more affordable by the 200 off deal Steve cut.

Anyway, just wanted to mention that main door was locked up. I hovered a bit and saw that a runner was picking up customers and escorting them in the back way. Normal way is pretty indiscreet. It's next to a gym and a girl on stationary bike watched me as I (twice) walked up the outer stairs. She was kinda hot so it added to the experience, I thought. But she seemed to know what I was looking for.[/QUOTE]In Kang Ding Sauna they have 3 "status levels".

- If the weather is very good and no worries about any problems, than they will use the main entry.

- If they got advised to appear a little bit more discreet, they will close the main entry, but still will be visitable by a hidden back entry.

- If a raid is announced and / or expected, they will totally close.

But that is the same than for nearly all saunas here in Shanghai, so I would recommend better contact a manager there in advance to make sure that you first will find a potential back entry, but also to avoid you go they and they are closed. And sometimes that can be without a long term note. I had the case already where I got confirmed a sauna is open and 20 minutes later have been informed they need to stop business now. At the moment all over Shanghai there is always a risk that a sauna will need to close all of sudden, so better always double check it before you waste your time and taxi fee to end up in front of closed doors!

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1804108]In Kang Ding Sauna they have 3 "status levels".

- If the weather is very good and no worries about any problems, than they will use the main entry.

- If they got advised to appear a little bit more discreet, they will close the main entry, but still will be visitable by a hidden back entry.

- If a raid is announced and / or expected, they will totally close.

But that is the same than for nearly all saunas here in Shanghai, so I would recommend better contact a manager there in advance to make sure that you first will find a potential back entry, but also to avoid you go they and they are closed. And sometimes that can be without a long term note. I had the case already where I got confirmed a sauna is open and 20 minutes later have been informed they need to stop business now. At the moment all over Shanghai there is always a risk that a sauna will need to close all of sudden, so better always double check it before you waste your time and taxi fee to end up in front of closed doors![/QUOTE]The alternative will be go to establishments where there are alternatives within walking distance.

Say Sacrosa and SiYuan.

999 and the Oymplic Club.

If you go somewhere and get turned away just move on.

Though there is also a possibility that the raid is not specific but rather regional, so the alternatives would also be on high alert.

If you are a regular customer or the staff somehow recognizes you they may even tell you where the weather is clear.

[QUOTE=CaptainAmerica;1801796]Went to the 4th floor of a hotel near to the intercontinental and got a great massage with happy ending. Originally quoted 500 but ended up at 350. Not sure if that's the going rate but I was pretty happy. Alsonot sure if I should give the exact locaton here on thenboard or if LE is a concern. If someone lets me know I can edit this post, otherwise just PM fro info.[/QUOTE]Hello Captain.

Could you let me know the name and address of this place?

I will be staying in Intercontinental Pudong from tomorrow.

Cheers

[QUOTE=SummerStorm;1804826]Hello Captain.

Could you let me know the name and address of this place?

I will be staying in Intercontinental Pudong from tomorrow.

Cheers[/QUOTE]There appears to be conflicting reports on whether the sauna is still operational.

It is the hotel right across the street from the Intercontinental, very easy for you to check it out.

The building used to be the Changhang-Merrylin Hotel.

Now it appears to be called the Huazhu Quanji (All Seasons) Hotel.

You can check out the third floor or the fourth floor and see if the sauna is still there.

Your fallback option would be either walking to Sacrosa or take a cab to Bodi.

Was there last month, have to say it's pretty Barren at night. But I have to say I did t do much research on the area before hand. Was staying at the LE meridian there most of the lights in the are are off by 11 pm. Anyone have some pointers for the area, might be back soon.

New be! You will get more info by PM than in the general threads. You could also avoid a flame or two. Jackson has procduced an awesome venue for your future activities. Don't you think you need to show your love and support. Every girl I meet in China tells me: Love equals money equals love. "Give me all your love, handsome!

Hello,

Has anyone been in Judy's lately?

What is available there?

Chinese?

Viet?

African?

Russian?

3-legged ladies?

Cheers

[QUOTE=SummerStorm;1805991]Hello,

Has anyone been in Judy's lately?

What is available there?

Chinese?

Viet?

African?

Russian?

3-legged ladies?

Cheers[/QUOTE]All of the above are available more viets with a few of the 3 leggers and more Kenyan's I have seen some blondes at Manhattan's and assumed they were Russian. You probably need to go to Bar rouge for the Russians but quite expensive. one of the viets I brought home from judy's said 3000 a night was common at Bar rouge. after a week the bar rouge owner told them Viets were not allowed in the bar

Can you guys offer any advice for a first time visitor to Shanghai? With zero Mandarin skills and no knowledge of the city, I'm afraid to wander too far from my hotel. I will be staying at the Ritz Carlton Shanghai Pudong for two weeks. Is there anyone reliable with decent English skills that I can summon? Is Escort4 China a reliable site? I'm willing to pay to make this as simple as ordering room service.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Can you guys offer any advice for a first time visitor to Shanghai? With zero Mandarin skills and no knowledge of the city, I'm afraid to wander too far from my hotel. I will be staying at the Ritz Carlton Shanghai Pudong for two weeks. Is there anyone reliable with decent English skills that I can summon? Is Escort4 China a reliable site? I'm willing to pay to make this as simple as ordering room service.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Similar situation. Booked into Sheraton Pudong. How about joining up on say, 01st evening?

[QUOTE=Askevi;1806369]Can you guys offer any advice for a first time visitor to Shanghai? With zero Mandarin skills and no knowledge of the city, I'm afraid to wander too far from my hotel. I will be staying at the Ritz Carlton Shanghai Pudong for two weeks. Is there anyone reliable with decent English skills that I can summon? Is Escort4 China a reliable site? I'm willing to pay to make this as simple as ordering room service.

Thanks in advance for any tips.[/QUOTE]1. Never, Ever, go with anyone you meet on the street. Ever.

2. Read the forum. Incredibly valuable information below.

3. There is only one one escort service that seems to be trustworthy. Referred to as SNG here. Other escort services in China are, at best, disappointing.

4. For around 1000 RMB, the saunas are a safe bet for full service, you don't really need to speak any Chinese.

5. Also, for around 1000-1500, picking up a girl in Manhattans is a good bet, again, no Chinese required, but you will have to cross town, and take the girl back to your hotel in a taxi.

6. Don't bother with the hotel sauna or having the hotel massage parlor send a girl up to your room. Although this could be a good experience, usually it will be terrible, and expensive, especially at a nice hhotel like the Ritz.

7. For around 300, you can get a good happy ending massage almost anywhere in the city. Order an oil massage, and enjoy the experience. You should not pay more. Can't say anything specific about your area, though, which places. Many will not give you a happy ending. If the place is open 24 hours, it is a good bet. No Chinese required.

8. Also for around 300, you can go to a BBS, which stands for BarBerShop, but there is no barbering going on there. If there are scantily clad girls hanging around in the lobby, and no foot massage couches in the lobby, it is very likely a BBS. You will get full service Wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am service at these.

9. Read the forum.

10. Never, ever go with anyone you meet on the street. Ever.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1806552]1. Never, Ever, go with anyone you meet on the street. Ever.

SNIP


10. Never, ever go with anyone you meet on the street. Ever.[/QUOTE]Forget everything you learnt, except these 2 rules above.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;1806552]

SNIP

6. Don't bother with the hotel sauna or having the hotel massage parlor send a girl up to your room. Although this could be a good experience, usually it will be terrible, and expensive, especially at a nice hhotel like the Ritz.


7. For around 300, you can get a good happy ending massage almost anywhere in the city. Order an oil massage, and enjoy the experience. You should not pay more. Can't say anything specific about your area, though, which places. Many will not give you a happy ending. If the place is open 24 hours, it is a good bet. No Chinese required.

SNIP

[/QUOTE]Again, that totally depends on the expectation.

I agree most of the nice (r) global hotel / resorts do not offer any happy ending services.

But if a genuine massage to relax or unwind before sleep is appreciated, then the hotel massage room service is also an option.

I do agree the bill will be expensive, but the service is terrible only if the customer has unrealistic expectations.

In the Lujiazui area there are several massage parlors that cater to the business traveler crowd.

They are indeed expensive and do not offer any happy ending.

Usually they feature English keywords on the signs that say SPA, Hot Stone Massage, Shiatsu, etc.

That usually means it is expensive. (like 500 RMB for an hour of massage and still no H / E).

If you see the clientele is largely female that is also a sign to turn away immediately.

BTW, if you discover the place in question has its own English website and you realize you are having trouble finding any mistakes, then that typically means the place will be EXPENSIVE.

For the newbies, SNG also offers paid tours of any area you would l like to go (Sauna's, manhattan's MP's).

His rates seem reasonable to me. Especially if it keeps you away from the touts. I'd rather pay 800 rmb for a tour vs thousands of dollars for getting ripped off.

If you don't know what I am talking about. Read the Forum. Examples are less than 7 pages back.

Sam Can.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1806711]For the newbies, SNG also offers paid tours of any area you would l like to go (Sauna's, manhattan's MP's).

His rates seem reasonable to me. Especially if it keeps you away from the touts. I'd rather pay 800 rmb for a tour vs thousands of dollars for getting ripped off.

If you don't know what I am talking about. Read the Forum. Examples are less than 7 pages back.

Sam Can.[/QUOTE]Thanks all for your replies. I didn't realize SNG did tours, that may be the best bet. I'll look into it.

New Bee.

Go to the SNG site. Read everything Check out the babes for rent. Veteran babes have reviews. You can talk to his English speaking operator. Specials every day. Pay Jackson for a membership. Then you can PM members who will nor normally respond to questions in the general thread. The girls who will go out for a dinner date will say so in their profile. Expect top pay for this service. I am not a tout for Javkson or Steven, just a fan of their services.

Engaging someone like Steven to guide you to sinful places is a good idea if you intend to hit the saunas. Those are not openly accessible, you have to know the manager's name, and which establishment of ill-repute is of good repute. You probably don't need a tour guide if you just want to go to Judy or Manhattan.

[QUOTE=Askevi;1806369]Can you guys offer any advice for a first time visitor to Shanghai? With zero Mandarin skills and no knowledge of the city, I'm afraid to wander too far from my hotel. I will be staying at the Ritz Carlton Shanghai Pudong for two weeks. Is there anyone reliable with decent English skills that I can summon? Is Escort4 China a reliable site? I'm willing to pay to make this as simple as ordering room service.

Thanks in advance for any tips.[/QUOTE]Except the saunas, Shanghai is relatively expensive compared to other Asian locales. Escorts, including SNL's escorts, are somewhat overpriced for what you get. Massage parlors are ok, but girl will generally not bee super-hot. Manhattan / Judy's are not too bad if you're OK with $200ST, $300 overnite. However, I personally believe saunas are where Shanghai shines. What you get for $120-200 even compares somewhat favorably to Thailand or Macao. It's the girls who can no longer work in saunas who turn to escorting or massage parlors.

[QUOTE=Askevi;1806738]Thanks all for your replies. I didn't realize SNG did tours, that may be the best bet. I'll look into it.[/QUOTE]Yes, I just looked it up the rate is a little higher than I quoted (1300) but still a decent deal. Talk to them directly. I am sure something can be tailored to what you are looking for.

Or if you have more than one in your party, that may help with the costs.

As I said, for someone that doesn't know shanghai, it is still cheap insurance.

Sam.

Thanks Sam. I'm fortunate in that money isn't really an issue. It's more that I just don't feel comfortable going places where I can't even fake the language. Western Europe and Latin America are fine, but I never feel like more of a foreigner than when I'm in Asia. I have lots of organized outings and meetings as part of the trip, but during my downtime I really think I just want someone in my room as a companion so I'm not alone. As I mentioned before, ideally I'd be able to ring someone like Jackson or Steven and they would send someone for dinner and downtime.

I am Sheraton pudong long timer visit sh 15 years many friends. Off to Ningbo back Wednesday. Pm me and I will set you right direction over a drink or tell me meeting place in hotel anytime after 1 on wed.

[QUOTE=Shippie;1806531]Can you guys offer any advice for a first time visitor to Shanghai? With zero Mandarin skills and no knowledge of the city, I'm afraid to wander too far from my hotel. I will be staying at the Ritz Carlton Shanghai Pudong for two weeks. Is there anyone reliable with decent English skills that I can summon? Is Escort4 China a reliable site? I'm willing to pay to make this as simple as ordering room service.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Similar situation. Booked into Sheraton Pudong. How about joining up on say, 01st evening?[/QUOTE]

I guess it's somehow been about a year between my first and second visit to kangding. I wrote an extremely positive review the first time, unfortunately the second visit was not nearly as good of an experience.

I went there around 10:30 or 11 pm on last Friday, so I really can't complain about either the selection or wait. The wait for a room was no more than 15 minutes and I think had we waited another 10 or 15 minutes, the selection would have been better as well. However, that's where the positive experience ended. Last time, my room was nothing short of spacious, with a large wet area and plenty of room around the bed. Also very clean. The large wet area was actually a waste as I had selected an X girl, so all we did was shower. This time, I selected an M girl, but the room was quite literally shit. Absolutely no better than Red house (for the record, I deleted Jimmy's contact information the moment I left the red house). It was dirty, tiny and dirty.

Since Friday, something interesting has happened. I picked up a STD. For clarity, I don't blame KD at all, it could happen anytime you receive BBBJ, but from a timing point of view, I am 99% certain it happened there. I contacted the SNG contact for KD (she is my contact) with the sole purpose of giving her a heads up that this girl needs to see a doctor. I was very non-confrontational, however I am 100% certain she is not going to do anything about it at all.

It is for this reason I will never again return there. I would expect there to be some interest in customer wellbeing, but I guess not so. Not sure if I should post her number or not, I will leave it up to the people on this forum. If the popular opinion is yes, no problem. I remember her.

Cheers,

Taz.

Could not agree more with your opinion on Red House, Tazz.

So just tried to hit up my usual spot in Xuijiahui and the guy at the store says it was closed due to jumpy Xuijiahui officials. Don't know how long it will be windy. But will keep people updated.

[QUOTE=Fuman200;1808976]So just tried to hit up my usual spot in Xuijiahui and the guy at the store says it was closed due to jumpy Xuijiahui officials. Don't know how long it will be windy. But will keep people updated.[/QUOTE]At the moment the people in Xu Hui and Min Hang Area are very scared about a suddenly upcoming storm.

End of last week a smaller sauna but with a connected outcall service webpage near Xu Jia Hui had a surprise visit of a new well known but not welcomed "big band combo" with more than 30 musicians and 8 band buses. The combo named "the police" or something like that.

Many customers, girls and manager have been arrested and the whole action has additional been broadcast by television.

That was quite an unusual action, which no one expected before that it will happen in Shanghai.

So now in that business many people are scared and try to find out, why and how it could happen like that and why no warning came over.

And for sure most important, how it will go on, or if it will go on again in this area.

A mamasan can expect to be sentenced to jail for 8 to 12 years, even the cashier or waiter can expect 2 years, so it's understandable that many people around getting very nervous, and as long as it will not be clear why that action has been started, it's hard for all to calculate the risk if it will go on like that or if it was only an exception.

Over all not the best news.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1808348]

Since Friday, something interesting has happened. I picked up a STD. For clarity, I don't blame KD at all, it could happen anytime you receive BBBJ, but from a timing point of view, I am 99% certain it happened there. I contacted the SNG contact for KD (she is my contact) with the sole purpose of giving her a heads up that this girl needs to see a doctor. I was very non-confrontational, however I am 100% certain she is not going to do anything about it at all.[/QUOTE]Are you sure she understood your point? Because the reaction sounds very weird to me. This sauna clubs have a high interest in avoid getting known as a STD spreading place. That will bring you down form a million dollar business to get bankrupt in less than 2 month. So there is normally a rule that if there is any. Even small doubt. A girls will get banned immediately and she will not serve any client before she can show an actual health check result.

So I would guess you had a communication issue with the manager. They need to take the serious feedback seriously and same time not get busted out by the high number of hypochondriac guys around.

Sounds strange, but also our hotline or page chat has often guys who expect us to send a escort girl or even a sauna girl to a health check and send them the result, because they are totally sure they caught a STD.

I had a discussion last weeks with a guy who still want to see a health test of a girl he meet in June. And he contact me from US several times a month and my idea, that he do his own health test now, which should cover the problem even more useful for him still not prevent him from asking for her health check. Which by the way was without any problem 3 weeks ago, but the guy don't believe the Chinese hospital and want us to send her to a foreign place and repeat the test.

That doesn't mean in any way that I want to say you acted like a hypochondriac, my idea is that because of some communication issue she accidentally will have put you in the wrong direction. But perhaps you could send me a e-mail or private message with her working number, because I totally agree with you that she should have to go to a check and treatment immediately.

That girls can serve up to 5 guys a day and if you met her just after her monthly test, there can still be 20 days more before she need to check again. So another 100 guys she could bring in trouble. And I know a guy who is divorced now, because he could not really explain where he got the STD (a small sauna near Zong Shang Park) which he forwarded to his wife before he got informed about it for himself. So lucky for all of us who not get problems yet and hope it will go on like that for most of us.

So let's have safe fun out there. And why the fuck a BBBJ is so much better than covered. We all know the risk, but as long as we can go out safe, it was worth the risk.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;1808348]I guess it's somehow been about a year between my first and second visit to kangding. I wrote an extremely positive review the first time, unfortunately the second visit was not nearly as good of an experience.

I went there around 10:30 or 11 pm on last Friday, so I really can't complain about either the selection or wait. The wait for a room was no more than 15 minutes and I think had we waited another 10 or 15 minutes, the selection would have been better as well. However, that's where the positive experience ended. Last time, my room was nothing short of spacious, with a large wet area and plenty of room around the bed. Also very clean. The large wet area was actually a waste as I had selected an X girl, so all we did was shower. This time, I selected an M girl, but the room was quite literally shit. Absolutely no better than Red house (for the record, I deleted Jimmy's contact information the moment I left the red house). It was dirty, tiny and dirty.

Since Friday, something interesting has happened. I picked up a STD. For clarity, I don't blame KD at all, it could happen anytime you receive BBBJ, but from a timing point of view, I am 99% certain it happened there. I contacted the SNG contact for KD (she is my contact) with the sole purpose of giving her a heads up that this girl needs to see a doctor. I was very non-confrontational, however I am 100% certain she is not going to do anything about it at all.

It is for this reason I will never again return there. I would expect there to be some interest in customer wellbeing, but I guess not so. Not sure if I should post her number or not, I will leave it up to the people on this forum. If the popular opinion is yes, no problem. I remember her.

Cheers,

Taz.[/QUOTE]Sorry for what you're going through. Hope you have a quick recovery.

Are you absolutely certain it was the KD girl? You don't mention which STD, but incubation periods for chlamydia is 1-3 weeks, syphilis 10-90 days, scabies 1-2 months, hep be 4-6 weeks, mono 2 weeks-6 months. Genital warts, genital herpes or gonorrhea can appear with a few days, but often take longer. Needless to say, if it was one of the latter 3, it's a good idea to have SNG reach out to their contact.

Had a good 1st visit to the Jiang Li Sauna. Just a few notes to add to what's already on the board:

- It's a pretty long haul to get there. If you metro it to QiBao on line 9, it's a long walk along QiBao Rd until the shopping center it's located on, maybe 25 minutes or so. I recommend a cab from the metro station, unless you really like to walk. When you get to the 108 Sq Shopping Center, it's around the side. No need to enter the main mall, just keep going around the building.

- When I showed up, I didn't automatically get in without naming Owen (the SNL contact). Then they let me in and I rode up to the 5th floor reception.

- Very classy compared to the downtown saunas. Somewhat over-the-top opulence.

- Quality of models quite good. Even at the lowest 780 level, there were some very doable models. At the 3rd level up, 1180 for 90 min, I was pretty blown away by the beauty.

- I miss the fishbowls of Thailand. With these line-ups, a lot of pressure to pick fast, which the Chinese guys do. I like to look over the options more carefully, but that's me.

- I'm not sure whether or not Owen is actually one individual, or just a way the sauna deals with foreigners.

- I don't really like he hassle of getting out there. It would make it more worth it if SNL could negotiate a discount.

- All in all, a great place, very sanitary, with 1st class talent. Hats off again to SNL for showing the way. It's these saunas that keep me happy in Shanghai without needing trips to Macao or Bangkok.

Howdy!

First the good news, the old Merrilyn is still active but didn't stay to sample. 900 for 60 minutes.

Second, visited Jiang Li and am moderately impressed. Sure it's a nice place but far far away. As you're going to spend a bit there, why not take a taxi from wherever your location is, that extra 100 won't kill your budget.

I did meet "Owen", cool guy.

Fishbowl was interesting, first girl I picked would not do foreigners (yeah I'm a big western guy), her reaction when I picked her was so funny I laughed myself. Second girl (912) also complained but the manager told her something and away we went. Service was mechanical, but a general warning: the condoms they have are smallish. And after the first pop she looked in awe at the contents. Odd. Damage 1180 for about 90 minutes.

Would I repeat, probably if I was in that general area, but it's a long way to go from the center and there are other gems closer.