Seoul

I'm not sure how it is in Korea, but every where else in the world I've been I know one thing, these girls will charge you based on your appearance as well. These are the type of variables that can make a difference between one guy paying $40 for a BJ and the next paying double that. If you go in there all skanky looking or you do not practice good hygiene, expect to pay higher prices than a guy who goes in clean cut and well groomed. Think about it for a moment. If you were a prostitute, would you charge differently for a Jennifer Lopez (we can only dream) than you would for a Rosanne Barr? I know Rosanne would have to pay me some serious coin before I stuff my face between her thighs! So the next time you hear of big discrepencies in pricing consider the source and think what you would have charged.

About the Dynasty:

I rarely get the names. Don't know why but maybe because I like the variety of someone new each time. I do remember one, though.

One time, I had a girl named Na Young. This was my first time. I went in on a Saturday afternoon. Led to the room, pay the cash (160 then, prices have gone up) take off my shoes and socks, light up a smoke and wait on the couch.

About 15 minutes go by before Na Young comes in. She's dressed like a nice Apkujong girl, pretty sundress, sunglasses pulling her hair back, high heels, etc. Beautiful face, looks good so far.

She says hello, asks me to undress, gets a toothbrush ready, and starts up a hot bath. When I sit down in the bath, she leaves the room for about 5 minutes. Comes back, gives me a cigarette while I soak and she goes back out to the main room.

I love watching the girls undress while I'm in the tub so I turn to check her out. She pulls off her dress, nothing at all underneath. FINE body!!! Pulls her hair on top of her head and comes in to talk to me in the tub.

Get out and get the scrub down all over. Dry off and lay on the bed for massage.

Na Young climbs on top, naked, with no towel between us and gives a great massage for about 30 minutes. When she's done with the massage, out comes the lotion for the body scrubdown. Always wonderful. Cleans off the lotion and gives me the kiss and lick all over, including the lovely and very thorough rimjob.

Moves over to the BBBJ for a few minutes, then climbs on top. Rides for awhile then rolls over and I get on top. We went at it for about 20 minutes, no complaints, no "hurry", she's either loving it or doing a great acting job.

When we're done, we lie down, smoke a few cigs, she plays with my bone and body and talk. Another shower and I'm on my way.

I'm somewhat of a regular and the desk girls knows me (I want to nail her skinny butt). Always brings me a different girl. Rarely dissapointed.

I've only had one that was not attractive, and one with a bad attitude.

200 on the hill is too much I agree. Yes, you can get cheaper at a RLD. But, from my experience, the Dynasty is well worth the 180. You say you can get that in the states. So what!! The girls I've been with at Dynasty are model/actress/Playboy fine. On par or better than the A rows at Yongsan/588. The quality of the girls and quality of service make it well worth it. I wouldn't pay that in Itaewon ( I have but we all make mistakes.)

If you're looking for quick, cheap fucking, go as cheap as you can go. Dynasty for me is a relaxing sexual experience, not just fucking. I'll spend the 180. If you all follow the advice to not pay that much, then I'll pick up the spoils.

By the way, this is what the Korean guys pay.

GAmEOVER!!
nice story dude...
so then you pay for a 30minute massage
then as long as you can go for???

is it possible to nut off twice?
do you pay for time or just score?

because I like to come twice, once with a bbbj all over her, and then I need about 10 minutes or so to get up again, eat pussy will help that, then I want to finish from behind hammering her...

will that be ok dude??
can you tell us abit about how it works in there...
thank dude...

[b][size=4][color=red]i still cannot believe what i am reading about the "hill". [/b][/size][/color]

granted a free market offers some great things¡¦allows for the exchange of goods and/or services between a willing seller and a *willing buyer*¡¦

i am a willing buyer from a willing seller for a fair price¡¦ also knowing that the market price should be around that fair price not per se always what i consider a fair price.

the point is not about whether or whether not you feel ¡°spendy¡± what kind of bs is that. if you are going to feel ¡°spendy¡±, spend it on a bj, getting laid, or an all nighter a second time around or another night. what are you thinking??????

these women will tell you whatever you want to hear to make you think that they cannot go lower¡¦it is all bs they are just trying to get the most money they can from the consumer. and even if you felt she deserves extra based on good service/attitude it doesn¡¯t mean give her extra¡¦that is bs also¡¦here in korea the tip is already included in the service. so that means what ever she agreed on is what you give her and no extra, even if she made you feel like a king or calls you a ¡°cheap charlie¡±.

i have gone back to the same girls on the hill and have always negotiated the price that has been consistent between all of them and have never given them a tip¡¦although once in a while one may try but i will not hear any of that noise. when i return to the same girl that tried to get a tip¡¦i still negotiate the same price and still never give her a tip. in fact i don¡¯t even buy them drinks because that is also bs.

honestly guys¡¦who cares if she drop dead gorgeous or butt ass ugly¡¦there is no reason to pay any extra for her if you don¡¯t have to. some of you guys make me laugh so hard¡¦there are some of you that will overspend on tang almost all the time but for other product/services at the market you will haggle over a dollar or two just to say you got a bargain. whatever you bought at the market will most likely last longer than the time you spent with the girl and it probably costs a whole lot less. pussy is the same thing it is a service sold at a market it can be negotiated just the same.

with pussy though it really plays with your emotions. why? because you want to get laid¡¦it is also when you let your little head to all the thinking rather your big head. yes she could be the greatest thing since sliced bread, she sounds sweeter than the most pleasant melody you ever heard (tells you whatever you want to hear), she rubs you in all the right places, oh she looks so tasty that you would drink her own [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] from her sweaty old shoe if she asked you too because she was so irresistible, and you would still overpay her because she says she can¡¯t go any lower because of ever excuse in the world. worst of all she knows this.

wake up and smell the coffee¡¦you¡¯re not marrying the ***** (i know she is a person and has feelings¡¦yada, yada, yada¡¦and she needs to make a living and all that other sensitive bs you want to reply with¡¦she has a choice to do or not to do this type of work) ¡¦bottom line is that you are just having sex with her. it does not matter how you boil the water it always boils at the same temp.

SLOW N EASY!!

I am sure many girls tell you to fuck off on the HILL though..
alot of girls wont even have sex, they only want drinks, others wont go under 100.000 they will just say no and walk back inside RIGHT???
the girls you are doing are the ugly ones, not so hot ones I BET!
I have been on the hill for three years am now 27, and good looking and in good shape, alot the girls tell me 150, 200 what ever stupid price, I say no no 80, or 100 they say NO and walk away, or I approach them and say how much , she say 20.000 you buy me drink, I say, NO NO I know care about drink, how much SEX, I am no sex...and then again walks inside...
or have been inside, bought a drink then asked for sex, they say no I don't do sex. or ok 300.000 sex , I say what! come on get real, they say you know want then leave!!

as much as you want to come on this board and tell us how fucked we are whatever, fact is these girls are not all for sale, and some of them are tough salesmen,

I want you to be honest know, and tell us all the times you got rejected, told to hit the street, get lost etc...
because I know it's happened to you..
tell us dude...
P.S I am not making a personaly attack toward you, just want to hear your stories regarding the negative..
thanks dude..

Whoah, Seoulman, slow down!!

Dynasty, and other hotel Turkey/Steam Bath, Sports Massage places are fairly straight forward. You are paying for the whole package and I have never tried to break it down into its parts. You pay, girl comes in, you get a bath, massage, oil massage/body scrub, blowjob, sex, another shower, and gone. (order and completeness of the package varies. Some don't do the bath, only the scrub down. Others will skip the real massage and go straight the oil. Don't be demanding, just go with the program.)

If you double-nut, you'll pay extra, probably double. Only once has a girl offered to go again for no charge. Actually, I think she felt sorry for me because I blew about 1 minute into the BJ (whoops!! it happens, though)

All covered, except sometimes the BJ. I've heard that many Korea guys get more bareback but intercourse is always covered, no matter the nationality, so I've heard. I highly doubt that you would be able to blow on her tits. They try to hold a classy image and that just doesn't cut it.

If you don't like the girl, you can ask to change. Unfortunately, you cannot "pick" the girl but this adds a little fun to the game. I haven't had too much bad luck so don't worry about it too much. Also, don't send them back too often. One time, 1st girl was bad, sent her back. 2nd was worse, tried to send her back and she said I could only do that once. I argued and only when I demanded my money back did they switch girls again.

This is based on the Dynasty. There are others and I'm sure they all have their little differences. For example, I went to the Green Grass Hotel near Seollung station the other day. After all the massages and rub downs, the girl insists they only do handjobs on foreigners. I argued this based on the fact that I had fucked many times at the same place. She called the manager and got the OK because they recognized me. When I left, the manager told me that when I come in, I should make sure to make clear I want sex (I would think this was assumed)

There are now many barber shops that have showers and massages behind secret doors. This is an upgrade from the other stories and worries about sex at the barber shops. You'll get a brief massage in the chair, then they will take you to back room with massage table and shower head. I've found these places to be a little more liberal with the nastiness so you might want to try them if you want to blow your load all over the place.

Before the Lions Sauna closed up, I used to go over there for a double- (some days triple!) nut special all the time. But I was a regular and had a special girl. She was anal-friendly, which is rare in Korea. The basic price was W140,000 and I would regularly tip another W30,000. It was all bareback and full-course: BBBJ, 69, pussy fuck, mutual rim-jobs, and balls-deep nice-n-slow buttfuck. She had a clean, tight ass (must've used an enema when she was out of the room or something) and would suck my cock straight out of her ass. I would usually spend about 90 minutes with her and we would go [b]straight[/b] for the fucking. I think she must have been as in to me as I was in to her.

A few times we had a two-girl engagement and it was just as hot, although she wouldn't let me fuck her ass when the other girl was in the room.

I would usually go once a week. God, I miss the Lions Sauna.

Slow n Easy, who are the girls on the Hill who will let you fuck their ass, and how much should we pay for that?

[b][size=4]The "Hill" [/size] [/b]

Seoulman-It is undisputable that I do get rejection. Everyone does. However one thing that many should realize about how helpful the rejection can be at certain times. If a girl tells you she does not have sex, fine “see ya, have a nice day". However be polite with her because it may only be a matter of repetition before she says yes. Mere politeness can go along way. Even if they tell me to get the heck out, lost, or go some place else, always thank them for their time and tell them to have a nice day.

I do not shag the ugly ones…just for perspective- I take in account their approximate age and base their looks accordingly. 18~40- If they look good for their age then there is always a potential chance that I may try to negotiate something. However it is also good to know what the maximum age you willing to deal with, for me approximately 40 yrs old base on looks always. I also believe that the average age falls between 25-35 with the more on the high end than on the low end. (Just a note- personal preference is different for everyone so, Seoulman what you consider hot, one may consider just average or vice verse.)

Seoulman-just from reading your post in response to mine, you may have already lost on your negotiation. The first thing that I think is in error is when you say no,no 80,000 or 100,000…right there you have just set your minimum…and she is winning on the negotiation at that price because it is still higher than the RLD “A" row girl. The second mistake that is made is that you went inside and bought drinks and tried to negotiate…you lose again because those drinks add to you final price if you actually negotiate sex…and if you cannot negotiate sex they still win because they got you to buy some drinks and they did not have to provide sex. Your presentation may need some fine tuning also. try to be polite, don’t get pushy or desperate, be confident about your statements on price in other areas, remind them that RLD girls are of better quality/attitude/willingness, and don’t be afraid to walk away from a deal or get rejected. Lastly, not everything is based on looks, although it helps to be clean cut, have good hygiene, and have a decent appearance. The right attitude in addition to good negotiating skills is key.

Just a note-don’t over dress for the “hill" the richer you look the higher the prices seem to be…go casual…shorts or jeans…but don’t go looking like a slob.

As you may already know that sad but true fact some of those women think that they are gold plated, god gifts to mankind, and think that what they say is the rule. But what they don’t realize is that there is just as good piece of ass right down the street. They can talk all they want to one another about what they will charge, how they will lure a sucker in, and the services that they will or will not provide but it always comes down to the mighty green. Bottom line is that if they get rejected enough from men they will change their attitude. The reason why is that they will starve on the percentages that they receive from the bar owner. See they maybe able to sucker the guys that will go there several times and never return, so be it. However it is the return customer that will fill their bank account.

Since it seems that many of the posters that engage in topics such as ours seem to be staying for a while. It is also this information that the business travelers will also look at. Since corporations may have to really look at those accounting practices, I don’t think buying pussy ($300.00 potential customer entertainment cost) is on the expenditure lists that will be reimbursed.

Here is a current story…I have not have been here as long as some, however I know how to play the game especially with these women. I went on the “hill" one day not long ago (about a month ago), when only some places were open, with the advantage of the places opening a little early you can get some sunlight on your subjects. As you know they beckon everyone, pass up any ugly ones, just be nice as you do it as they may introduce you to a cutie. As I was walking past some of the ugly ladies a door swings open and there was about two or three cuties. Since they had nice tight bodies and it seemed that there was potential of having sex, I stopped just out side of the door. The girl that initiated the conversation was pleasant in talk and looks. Of course the offer of “come in and drink" BS was the first thing from her mouth. I politely told her that I am not interested in drinking or buying drinks for her…I told her straight, “All I want is sex and I am not going to pay a lot for it, and I don’t buy any of the ladies drinks so please do not ask". She was polite and said she does not have sex. “Okay thank you for your time, have a nice day hope to see you again, bye" And I walked, as much as I wanted to negotiate and try to haggle some deal for she was hot, I kept on walking. I just had to leave. I went to some other places to try my luck. A day or so later close to the same time I saw the same girl, she actually remembered me but still asked for me to come drink. I gave her a smile and said, “you know what I am looking for, and buying drinks for beautiful ladies is not it" She replies with “yes I know you are only looking for sex" I kept walking on to try my luck elsewhere. Another day or two goes by and I was walking the “hill" again maybe around the same time or little later. Again she pops out of the door and ask the same thing again and I gave her the exact same response and kept walking. However this time she calls me back and asks me some general questions, the why don’t you come in and have one drink type questions you know the ones that only take a minute. I held my ground and told her the exact same thing. Thinking, that she was just trying extra hard to get a drink out of me. So I started to back away and she said, “okay how much"? just to be clear I ask her how much for what"? She replied, “Sex”…now we are talking. I asked her what she was charging; of course it was a large number 200,000 won. I quickly replied to her “you must go a lot lower because I know what I can get sex for around here and at the RLD and it is for a whole lot less" At this point she may have realized she does not have much of an advantage to get my money unless she drops down the price and still has sex with me. She offers 80,000 won which at this point many of you would have took with out blinking. I said “no way that is still too high they don’t even charge foreigners that much in the RLD" I countered with 40,000 won she says 60,000 and I replied with 50,000 won. “Okay" she says, rather eagerly I must add. So that is why patience is a virtue. Of course, YMMV depending on other factors. However I have been consistent with my negotiations and have been able to get the same price give or take 10,000 won at many places on the “hill".

The key strategies that I use are:[list][*]Play by your negotiating rules not theirs. (Stick with it; you may get some rejection from time to time that is normal)[*]Just state your expectations (All I want is sex, no buying drinks, etc)[*]Try not to state an amount until she is close to your price, and then always lowball your price, let her state the amounts. Example of a recent negotiation with an 8~9 girl dependent upon ones taste- (results can vary from person to person)[/list][list=1][color=blue][*]She- 200,000[/color]
[color=green][*]You-you have to go a lot lower than that, [/color]
[color=blue][*]She- 130,000, [/color]
[color=green][*]You-come on now I know I can get sex around here for a lot cheaper (or you can say “for a quarter of the price" stated if you some quick division and the answer puts it into the 40,000 won range) from an equally attractive woman, [/color]
[color=blue][*]She-then how much, [/color]
[color=green][*]You-listen, I can get it still cheaper around here and in the RLD where the quality/wiliness/attitude of women are a lot higher. [/color]
[color=blue][*]She-how much have you paid? [/color]
[color=green][*]You- well I have had paid as low as 40,000 with attractive women on many occasions. [/color]
[color=blue][*]She- 70,000[/color]
[color=green][*]You- 45,000[/color]
[color=blue][*]She ?60,000[/color]
[color=green][*]You- 50,000[/color]
[color=blue][*]She –“Okay" or she will stick with 60,000 at this point you can decide if you want to hold out for 50,000 telling her that 50,000 is what you pay everywhere else, offer 55,000, or agree to her 60,000. [/color][/list=1][list][*]Don’t go in the bar until you have done all of your negotiating and you know what you are getting and what you agreed on. (Keep your end of the bargain)[*]Don’t buy any drinks for them or yourself through the whole deal. (They will try but always remind them that you don’t buy drinks)[*]If you are going to have sex with her than attempt to keep the money in hands reach until after you have sex. This will have to be negotiated every time give them the reason why. The reason is to make sure they uphold their end of the deal. (That way if it turns out to be something other than sex you can at least bail and cut your loses to a minimum and you won’t have to bluff them with bodily harm or cops, hold them to their end of the deal. Just for the record I have not had any problems with them after negotiations or before/after sex) [*]If they say they “don’t have sex" then thank them and move on don’t waste your time until they have a change of heart (as the night goes by you may get lucky on one of the passes or in a few days).[*]Don’t act desperate even if you are. (They will sense that and will not budge on price)[*]Don’t haggle over a 10,000 won or less difference from the average market amount of about 50,000 won unless she is not as attractive as you would like then YMMV and you could lose the deal. On the bright side is if she was not as attractive then you at least saved your money any you won’t regret not banging an ugly.[*]If she has an ugly face but a “hell of a body" let her BBBJ and do her from behind. (he, he)[/list]
Just because they say no a few times does not mean that they will never have sex with a guy for money. Look at what I did, although I was in need of sex and if I did not keep my head on straight I would have overpaid like many others have. See what many don’t realize and even if you do, is that there is plenty of places that will give you sex for 50,000 won give or take. So if you are trying to score a hot chick on the hill you have to remind them of the reality of things, like the prices that are being charged elsewhere, and the quality. Even if they say go elsewhere or this place is different, they cannot hold out that way for very long. Because the number one reason is that 95% of the girls on the “hill" are not “A" row quality girls so one should never pay more than one would pay in the “B" or “C" row of a RLD (30,000~50,000 won) so they will starve. Two is that 95% of the guys that visit the hill want sex so they have to provide sex at most of these places otherwise there is the potential to lose too much business granted we can always go elsewhere it maybe inconvenient for some but if it gets the point across, so be it.

Hi every one,
I visit Seoul regularly (about every 10 days or every week sometimes) coming from Japan.
I have had several experiences, most of all I must say rather disappointed and expensive. Some, hopefully very satisfying. Either with free lancer pick up at night club, or with youngsters (between 18 and 23) picked up also at night club (mainly at the Hyatt JJ) and believe me free (no charge) and ready for any experiment. Some as low as 80,000 (yes, at the Hyatt. you are right Slow n Easy when you say we must negociate ! It works). Some rather expensive to my taste but including some very nice back action (had to strongly request anyway). I also have tried Dinasty and always have had good experience so far. I also went to Capital Hotel Sport Massage place and have had good, bad and worse (but mainly good).
Tonight I decided to try a telephone number given by a friend of mine who promised me I was going to get a wonderful lady who does body massage in my hotel room. I can tell you friends that I did not really believed him but decided to give a try since I was alone, tired, and horny !
Believe me : I hardly have had before such a good massage.
The girl came to my room, was very friendly, rather cute. She is a tall girl with large breast and smily face, very nice hands and very nice feet. Very well dressed as well but nothing too fancy. I offer her a drink. She took water only. And she asked me to undress while she was preparing the bed for the massage.
Massage was absolutely fantastic. It was swedish with oil. Real technique. The girl is a real massager and really excels in doing this.
It lasted for 1 full hour. She used oil, rubbed my back, my legs, my breast, Cleaned me completely with warm towels, etc. At the end she asked me if I wanted to sleep or to get some extra. I told her that I wanted extra and she started to very gently caress my penis. She used oil and rimmed my lower parts and massaged very slowly my balls. She did it very nicely and warmly for about 15mn, getting me in a state to leave a Chimp ashamed of himself. Then she started to masturbate me very gently, very softly and then more quickly but still very softly till she made me exploding in the air. Man, that was good. And I told her. She was very pleased I liked her technique and I told her that I would like some more. She asked whether I was asking for full service and I said why not. She then asked if I had a condom and said that it would be a bit more expensive but would worth it she promised. Unfortunately I had no condom !. So she politely declined but proposed very kindly (and did it) to caress me once more. She made me came a second time. Incredible attitude. So GFE. So nice and soft. She speaks a perfect English and explained my that she is professional massager but gets extra money this way and enjoys it. But she told me that she does not perform sexual massage to persons that she does not feel confident with. So she asked not to recommand her to people I would not be sure of.
All in all, massage + massage again + talk, she spent about 2 hours in my room. And she kissed me good bye !
Guys, it costed me 90,000 Won for a real extraordinary real massage (not a stupid touch touch) [this is the same as any Hotel Regular Massage service cost] + 20,000 Won for the extra. Yes you read it well. 20,000 Won. Incredible. And she said that full service would be 200,000 Won. That is including 90,000 of a real professional massage ! So only 110,000 Won more that just the massage. Unbelievable I know !
I asked her to come and visit me tomorrow and she said she will.
She works from 10h00 a.m. to 1h00 in the morning.
For those who are interested and would like a try, you can contact me here and leave your request with your e-mail address or phone number. I shall come back to you with her phone number. If anthing valuable in return either in Seoul or Tokyo, I shall appreciate. Not a condition though.
Wolf.

To Wolf,

Would appreciate your contact, please send me an e-mail:

agoodfellahk@yahoo.com

and ill be willing to see what i can offer in info.

regards

Wolf

Please also provide me with the info. My email is

charlie007_svn@yahoo.com

thanks.

Hope this massage girl is as good as you say. Guess I'd like to find out ... email [email]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email] please.

Wolf:

Please email me with the info, as I will be visiting for the first time in about a month. My email is tm007_20057@yahoo.com


To Wolf and everybody else:

I just read through most of the posts on this board, and they are very informative. Often times boards can off on tangents that have nothing to do with sex! Thanks for all the valuable information here and for keeping it real. I hope to be able to add to the knowledge found here.

Cingleman

SeoulSurvior

I would guess that for many of these women that anal is uncharted waters. Many of them may not even allow you to try it if they really do not know you well enough. I had one lady let me do anal on her because she was on the rag, however let me tell why she let me do it.

I was cruising the "Hill" and stop to negotiate some poon. Was able to get her down to 40,000...thinking that I got the better end of the bargain. She locks up the place and we head to the booth...I quickly noticed that she was wearing panties...which is okay...however in my touchy feely time I notice a bulge so I had to make sure what I was dealing with. I turned her around and told her to take of her panties. She was reluctant at first however I made it very clear to her if she was not a woman that it would not be a very pleasant experience swallowing her teeth. She dropped them down and there was a big rag pad. After that I asked her what the heck this is...You brought me in here to have sex while your on the rag...hell no..I am taking my money and leaving. She pleaded some and even got to the point of begging. I told her that I did not like a bloody mess and if she wanted to do it so bad that she would have let me do her in the ass. I really am not much of a ass player however I was upset at the fact she was not telling me the whole deal...I was very clear to her about how she made a bad deal. So she agreed, I told her that I would be gentle with her. Which I was. I think that because she screwed the deal was the only reason that I got that for that price. After I was done and cleaned up. I had to ask her if she likes to have sex that way...she said she has only done it a couple of times and really does not offer it as a opition. She said that some girls will do it but it is extra in price...she said around 20,000~50,000 depending upon the person and other factors.


My guess is that you would have to ask some of the ladies first and see what your response is. If that is not successful then take a small tube of ky with you and when your fucking, lube up you finger and give it a nice slow slide in. If she allows that one finger in then gently move it around so she gets use to something being in there. If she is responsive to that then go for two fingers to allow her ass to stretch. If she still is responsive to that then probe a third. If she allows the third finger in most likely she will let you do her in the ass. You can attempt to ask her after the second finger however she may be reluctant. The if she says yes take it slow because you still have to get the head in which is usually the make it or break it point. They can still back out if you push too hard let her go back on her own with you guiding her. Once in just let her do the work until she gets used to it.

Go back to the same girl for second and third swing so she becomes comfortable with it.

That is my input for the anal seekers. Happy hunting..

Slow n Easy... which club was the W40,000 girl? You can e-mail me directly.