Natal

This week I wrote to a Brazilian woman in Natal I met thru a dating service. I mentioned I was going to Natal this year. She warned me to beware because there are programa girls in lots of places in Natal. I know of the Salsa Street bars, but I wondered where else. I asked her where, but of course she didn't tell me. It looks like there may be more action in Natal than we think. Wish I knew where though.

[QUOTE=Laroche; 1049063]Natal update June 2010.

For some basic info and in order to put this information into context, I refer to my previous update October 2008 in this section.

It is sad to to say this, but the once booming nightlive of Natal is gone.

Moreover, due to currency issues, Brazil is becoming quite expensive when compared to 2 or 4 years ago.

Exchange rates during the period in the "Casas de Cambio":

1 EUR = 2, 10. 2,20.

To make things worse, flying to Natal is much more expensive and complicated as well.

So, if you are considering going there for the noble art of mongering, think twice and do not waste your money and your time.

For the others who are due to be there, here is the information.

The famous Cucaracha is closed forever and this is a big loss indeed.

The little action to be found is in "the Salsa Bar street".

All the bars in the upper part of the street are gone and most of them are converted into parking lots with a tout asking 5 reais to see after you limo.

Well known places closed now: Azucar disco, Samsara, Amiça Disco, Coco Loco (Coco-crooks deserved it)

The only place where whorth visiting is "FUSO HORARIO square" (see description is the Oct. 2088 update).

There are fewer bars there now and much fewer girls. Sunday and Monday is simply dead.

Prices have not changed much; 3 reais for a beer and 5 for a caipirinha.

Not entrance fees, no scams, no problems, so the place is still OK.

The are very few stunning girls around, fewer than before for sure.

Most of them are below the Brazilian beauty average.

Standard fee is 150 reais, although some will ask you for more (always depending of your looks and nationality) and you might have to bargain.

Warning 1: bring your passport at night. Cops are eager to extort money from you if you do not have it. There are very few tourists there now and therefore the chances thy will stop just you are huge.

Warning 2: Avoid Casa Zensala; the damage could reach 500 reais and counting. The place is run by mafia related crooks.

Last but not least, Ponta Negra beach by day is a OK hunting ground, specially during weekends and if you manage a few sentences in Portuguese you might find company for the night.

But then again, this apply to any coastal city of Brazil.

Take care! [/QUOTE]Just back from trip to Brazil:

Visited Rio, Maceio, Natal and Fortaleza.

Natal is finished as a monger destination? Come on! Every Brazilian in northeast Brazil knows Natal has loads of programa girls. Local women I met in Natal will not go near Ponta Negra Beach in Natal for fear people will think they are programa girls.

The Fuso Horario bar and disco complex on Salsa Street in Ponta Negra, Natal, is so good, you don't really need anywhere else to go in Natal.

I am talking both quantity and quality of programa girls there, and also of the atmosphere of the place. Programa prices are generally R150, which is the minimum anywhere you go in Brazil.

Seems only the Italian tourists know about Natal. And they are keeping this info to themselves. And they are going to Natal in droves, for good reason.

Rio is not nearly the same without Help and Cafe Atlantico. (Although Balcony Bar is much better than it used to be, despite what you read on this forum, and picks up part of the slack).

Fortaleza is not quite the same as before either. Fortaleza's Iracema bar complex had 4 bars: Mombo, Cafe del Mar, Europa and the upstairs Bikini Club. The last two have shut down (but are looking for a buyer). That leaves only two discos left in the Iracema bar complex. Zipi Bar, the earlier place (10:30 to midnite) , a few blocks away, is still around, but the quality of the girls there seems to have gone down.

In my humble opinion, and I expect to hear an onslaught of criticism from the posters on this forum, Fuso Horario now has the best monger scene of the Brazilian cities I have visited on this last trip.

[QUOTE=Henry R;1101893]In my humble opinion... Fuso Horario now has the best monger scene of the Brazilian cities I have visited on this last trip.[/QUOTE]Entirely believable.

Better quality / scene in Natal right now than what is in Fortaleza? Any pictures from the Fuso Horario zone?

Were the girls all local and / or from environs Rio Grande do Norte? (sorry about the? S) Haven't been back since 2007 and if more Italian restaurants have opened then it's not all bad. And, give them credit for where it's due on holding the line on pricing.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1101893]Programa prices are generally R150, which is the minimum anywhere you go in Brazil.

Seems only the Italian tourists know about Natal. And they are keeping this info to themselves.

Fortaleza's Iracema bar complex had 4 bars: Mombo, Cafe del Mar, Europa and the upstairs Bikini Club. The last two have shut down (but are looking for a buyer). That leaves only two discos left in the Iracema bar complex. [/QUOTE]I'm happy you enjoyed Natal. Just a few remarks.

"R$150 is the minimum anywhere you go in Brazil". No way. They might ASK for R$ 150, but in the North-East you should never pay more than MAXIMUM R$100. R$80 being a more normal price. R$50 for short-time.

Bars with GPs in the Iracema area. Forró & Mambo, Café del Mar, Armazem (wednesdays) , Zipi, Heineken Café, Kaipiras and at least two more GP-bars in the same crossing. Not overly exciting but also not that bad.

"Only the Italian tourists know about Natal. And they are keeping this info to themselves." Natal has been the major destination in charter tourism for hordes of Scandinavians since 1999.

Natal used to be a great destination. The discos in Praia dos Artistas, Sax & Sax and Muralha, where filled of a mixture of GPs and local non-pro's that jumped in bed with gringos. Lots of streetwalkers doing their job for a small fee. All this got cleaned up in 1999. Natal got ruined by the charter tourism. I do my best to avoid Natal.

BTW, I remember you asked a lot about how to reach Belissima, close to Iguatemi Shopping Center, in Fortaleza. Did you find it?

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1101959]I'm happy you enjoyed Natal. Just a few remarks.

Natal used to be a great destination. The discos in Praia dos Artistas, Sax & Sax and Muralha, where filled of a mixture of GPs and local non-pro's that jumped in bed with gringos. Lots of streetwalkers doing their job for a small fee. All this got cleaned up in 1999. Natal got ruined by the charter tourism. I do my best to avoid Natal.[/QUOTE]When were you last there, Sperto? Europeans appear en masse from wherever non-stop flights originate. Just like Americans 'suppose.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1101959]I'm happy you enjoyed Natal. Just a few remarks.

"R$150 is the minimum anywhere you go in Brazil". No way. They might ASK for R$ 150, but in the North-East you should never pay more than MAXIMUM R$100. R$80 being a more normal price. R$50 for short-time.

Bars with GPs in the Iracema area. Forró & Mambo, Café del Mar, Armazem (wednesdays) , Zipi, Heineken Café, Kaipiras and at least two more GP-bars in the same crossing. Not overly exciting but also not that bad.

BTW, I remember you asked a lot about how to reach Belissima, close to Iguatemi Shopping Center, in Fortaleza. Did you find it? [/QUOTE]

Yes, I went to Belissima, thanks for asking. As soon as I got there I realized this was the same place my friend and I visited on my previous trip in 2008. I just never knew the name of the place. Quality not so hot, better to go to Mambo.

Regarding other places in Fortaleza: Armazem on Wednesdays may have programa girls, but my impression in my visits on this trip and in 2008 is that they were not working those nites. It was their nite to party, not to work and do programas. There may be some exceptions, but I didn't see them.

Heinekin bar and the bar next to it (to the left of Heinekin as you enter) are pretty small and don't have many girls. I did get very lucky one night last month and met and took home a great and beautiful babe at that small bar next to Heinekin. I think she was just briefly stopping off there on the way to another bar or disco.

You mentioned charter tourism, but doesn't Fortaleza also have that? By the way, I did not see Scandinavian tourists at Fuso Horario, and I went there about 6 nights. I think almost every guy was speaking Italian. I usually ask programa girls I meet what languages they can speak. A lot of the girls at Fuso Horario mentioned they could speak a little Italian. None of the girls mentioned knowing any Swedish. Pretty odd since there are supposed to be so many Scandinavian tourists.

Prices: I did bargain and Natal prices were not more than anywhere else. I spoke to other tourists about prices and I never heard of a price as low as R50 or R80. Maybe the younger guys who speak good Portuguese have better luck, but R50 is still hard to believe. I think low prices of R50 are off the street for low class hard-core women.

Restaurants: I could not believe the restaurant prices in Rio. Then I went to Maceio and Natal, and they were worse! More expensive than restaurants in the US. And not just in the touristy areas. Even McDonalds was expensive. Fortaleza restaurants prices seemed a little lower than in the other 3 cities. These high prices are giving me second thoughts of returning soon to my favorite country. (Did you check out the incredibly high prices for TVs and other electronics? Not that I planned to buy any, but just to show the high prices there).

Regarding Fuso Horario in Natal : I stick with what I wrote. This place had great atmosphere, and lots of lookers.
Remember that good looking programa girls come to these places pretty late. That is true in Rio and Fortaleza too.
You can't go there 11:30 at nite and make a snap judgment. Another thing about Fuso Horario, very often when I saw 2 programa girls sitting together there, they right away asked if I wanted to party with both of them, without me even asking. That hardly happens to me anywhere else.

Hopefully no one believes me about Fuso Horario and this will keep the number of tourists down, and keep prices from escalating further. That will help the next time I visit Natal, which will probably not be for a few years, due to personal financial factors.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1103168]Regarding other places in Fortaleza: Armazem on Wednesdays may have programa girls, but my impression in my visits on this trip and in 2008 is that they were not working those nites. It was their nite to party, not to work and do programas. There may be some exceptions, but I didn't see them.

You mentioned charter tourism, but doesn't Fortaleza also have that.

By the way, I did not see Scandinavian tourists at Fuso Horario, and I went there about 6 nights. I think almost every guy was speaking Italian. I usually ask programa girls I meet what languages they can speak. A lot of the girls at Fuso Horario mentioned they could speak a little Italian. None of the girls mentioned knowing any Swedish. Pretty odd since there are supposed to be so many Scandinavian tourists.

[/QUOTE]Armazem on Wednesdays is the ho-night. The regular crowd of Iracema-GPs and once-a-week GPs who only do Armazem-wednesdays. Of course they are working.

Yes, Fortaleza also have charter tourism. Natal got much more affected when the charter tourism started. Mainly because Ponta Negra, which is quite small, suddenly got swarmed by charter tourists.

You didn't meet any Scandinavian tourists. Odd.

BTW Scandinavian languages are Swedish, Danish and Norwegian.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1103217]Armazem on Wednesdays is the ho-night. The regular crowd of Iracema-GPs and once-a-week GPs who only do Armazem-wednesdays. Of course they are working.

The main reason I wrote this thread, and my first point, was that I was amazed people were claiming Natal is not a good place for mongers. Then I go there and I see hundreds of babes every nite at Fuso Horario, lots of them very hot, and prices no worse than anywhere else in Brazil. My friend and I both thought the atmosphere there was great also. I could not in good conscience just let these comments slide. There are posters who may believe there is no action in Natal from reading false info, and I felt I should let them know what is going on. After all, I received some good tips from this site so I should return the favor.

My second point was that I also mentioned that Rio and Fortaleza were going downhill because some clubs closed, and I felt that with them going downhill and with Natal having Fuso Horario, that Fuso Horario now puts Natal up there with the top mongering cities in Brazil. Anyone may disagree, and that is their right. (Sure Fuso Horario has lots of tourists, but Help disco was also full of tourists.) But my two main points got sidetracked with tangents about other clubs, and which countries the tourists were from, which is beside the point. (The fact that so many young guys are flying to Natal all the way from Europe indicates there is action there).

But while we are on a tangent, I had a question about Armazem which was not answered on the Fortaleza forum, so I am asking it here:

I went to Armazem twice, on Wednesday nites, once in Nov 2008 and once in Nov 2010, and I could not tell who the programa girls were. Girls at Armazem did not smile or make eye contact with me as they did at Zipi or Mambo club. I had thought they were mostly non-pros, or pros taking the nite off to just dance. I now am not doubting the posters who says most of the girls at Armazem on Wednesdays are programa girls who are working that nite. I will accept the word of other posters about this, since so many swear by it.

My question is, what is the best way to pick up programa girls at Armazem? I really could not tell who is a programa girl, since they were not giving any signals, and I didn't want to approach a non-pro and mistake her for a programa girl. That would be embarrassing! I do not live in Fortaleza and would not recognize who is a programa girl. It seemed to me a rather different scene than at Zipi or Mambo, where every girl is a programa girl and most are not subtle about it as they are in Armazem. The loud music also made it hard to hear, especially with my basic Portuguese, making it even more difficult to pick them up. Armazem seemed to me to be a much harder place to pick them up than at Mambo or Zipi or Cafe del Mar. Any advice about (1) who to approach at Armazem, and (2) what to say?

Any specific details about this would be greatly appreciated! Either here or you can PM me.

The reason why no tourist from Scandinavian comes to Natal is beqause no charterflight are heading there anymore from Scandinavia. Unfortunaly sad for us scandinavian who loved to go to Natal quite cheep sometimes.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1103217]Armazem on Wednesdays is the ho-night. The regular crowd of Iracema-GPs and once-a-week GPs who only do Armazem-wednesdays. Of course they are working.

Yes, Fortaleza also have charter tourism. Natal got much more affected when the charter tourism started. Mainly because Ponta Negra, which is quite small, suddenly got swarmed by charter tourists.

You didn't meet any Scandinavian tourists. Odd.

BTW Scandinavian languages are Swedish, Danish and Norwegian. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1112269]Any advice about (1) who to approach at Armazem, and (2) what to say?

Any specific details about this would be greatly appreciated! Either here or you can PM me. [/QUOTE]I have been to Armazem every Wednesday I have been to Fortaleza. That will be around 7-9 times and I never left the place by myself.

I don't speak much portogues but here are my tricks:

1. Don't go for a girl how talks with the local mens.

2. See if she is there with her friends (the girls from the streets go with the other girls) They use to sit at Cafe Del Mar to warm up.

3. Just ask the girl if she wants something to drink. If she says yes and stay, you can ask for more.

Let me help you out Henry R. I agree with you about Natal. I have been to Natal many times since 2007 and fortaleza as well. I also speak portuguese. Natal is a great place to monger and your are 100% on point with fuso horario and the other places further back in that area on rua de salsa. The kicker is that there are better times or the year than others for mongering in natal. I have been there at the end of June and beginning of July when things have been a little slower and at other times when there has been more action. I do not have the best or worst months down and I apologize for that. Many of the hotels in natal are not ho friendly although there are some that are.

Let me help you out with your question about armazan in fortaleza. Wednesday night is ho night at armazan. I think some of the other ho places like mambo may even be closed and that may be the reason they flock to amarzon on wendesday. I apologize for not knowing the spelling. You will find a mixture of hos and normal chick in their on Wednesday, but all and all the brunt or majority of them are working girls or gp's (garotas de programa). I do not suggest like that other guy did in offering to buy drinks for any ho in these places unless you have already negotiated and are comfortable that you are going to hit that chick and take her home. What I recommend you do is just keep your eyes wide open. Generally speaking a normal chick may end up in a place where there are hos. However normal chicks will not usually associate with a ho in a place like armazan because a normal chick will not want to be confused with a ho by a monger or patron of the gps. Having said all of that what you want to do is watch what is happening about you and any potential girl of interest. If you have reservations about whether this one is a ho, watch her. See what type of other chicks are in her posse or crew. Usually hos where a certain type of clothing and shoes or pumps that say come fuck me and I am for sale. If you girl of interest has this type of clothing on, they she is likely a ho or gps and for sale. If she has more conservative or less revealing clothing that makes her appear as a normal chick look at her friends and see if they have similar convervative clothing on and if all her posse are dressed like normal brazilian chicks, she is more likely to be a normal girl and not a ho. If most of her friends or people with her are in ho wear or come fuck me wear it is unlikely that she is a normal chick and every one of her friends are hos. Other things you can do are make eye contact with a potential interest. Smile at the chick, normal chicks may smile back but are less eager even when interested in you. You tend to have to do more work for them whereas a ho is more likely to be eager as hell if you smile at her. Also take a look at how the chick responds to other dudes with interest in her if all are getting shut down, she is less likely to be a ho. You can always ask one of the people that work there, bar or waitress if the chick you have interest in comes often and leaves with people or if she is a garota de programa. You can ask her if she has ever been to mambo what is a good day to go to mambo. Mambo in fortaleza is like help was when it was up and running in Rio. Very seldom would you find a normal chick in help unless she was a tourist. Almost all chicks in help are hos as is the case in mambo. If you wanted to determine the status of a Rio chick meaning ho or not a ho, you could always say lets go to help and see her response. If she had no problem going to help in Rio, she is a ho. A normal chick would not want to go to help. Same thing with mambo in fortaleza. You could also try some other less obvious things like saying to her vc e o mais linda mulher que eu viu. Como eu posso sair com um mulher tao linda? Which means more or less you are the most beautiful women that I have seen. How can I go out with a woman so beautiful? Or say something similar that you find useful. As weird or cheezy as that may seem to you. It will do what you want it to do which is let you know if she is ho. If she is a ho she will respond eagerly in a manner consistent with heading down the path to what it costs to tag that ass. If she is a normal chick she may blush as any normal chick will do and respond with a thank you (a ho too will likely say thank you or obrigado). However with a normal chick the conversation will head in a different direction and the conversation will be the normal type she may even not have much to say if she is not interested or if interested you will have to do a little work where as a ho will be more eager and will make things easy for you and may or will likely get to the chase quickly as far as going home with you and for how much. A ho too usually will be looking to get you to buy her a drink. Often another easier way to size up hos are that hos often sit with no drinks and wait for a dude that is trying to take them home to bang them to buy them and their friends drinks. That is a dead give away, but again some hos may buy their own drinks. Normal chicks do not press a guy for drinks they will usually buy their own when with their friends but will accept drinks from guys if they are interested in the guy. Hos will down out ask you to buy drinks for them with no shame and they often ask for the expensive stuff. Friends of mine and I have coined the term for some of them as whiskey and red bull bitches. I hope this information was helpful to you. I don't hit the forum that often so if you respond back with a question in this thread for me, it could be a while for an answer but it is not that I am ignoring you. Good luck and happy mongering in fortaleza and natal two of my all time favorite places in brasil.

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1112269][QUOTE=Sperto; 1103217]Armazem on Wednesdays is the ho-night. The regular crowd of Iracema-GPs and once-a-week GPs who only do Armazem-wednesdays. Of course they are working.

The main reason I wrote this thread, and my first point, was that I was amazed people were claiming Natal is not a good place for mongers. Then I go there and I see hundreds of babes every nite at Fuso Horario, lots of them very hot, and prices no worse than anywhere else in Brazil. My friend and I both thought the atmosphere there was great also. I could not in good conscience just let these comments slide. There are posters who may believe there is no action in Natal from reading false info, and I felt I should let them know what is going on. After all, I received some good tips from this site so I should return the favor.

My second point was that I also mentioned that Rio and Fortaleza were going downhill because some clubs closed, and I felt that with them going downhill and with Natal having Fuso Horario, that Fuso Horario now puts Natal up there with the top mongering cities in Brazil. Anyone may disagree, and that is their right. (Sure Fuso Horario has lots of tourists, but Help disco was also full of tourists.) But my two main points got sidetracked with tangents about other clubs, and which countries the tourists were from, which is beside the point. (The fact that so many young guys are flying to Natal all the way from Europe indicates there is action there).

But while we are on a tangent, I had a question about Armazem which was not answered on the Fortaleza forum, so I am asking it here:

I went to Armazem twice, on Wednesday nites, once in Nov 2008 and once in Nov 2010, and I could not tell who the programa girls were. Girls at Armazem did not smile or make eye contact with me as they did at Zipi or Mambo club. I had thought they were mostly non-pros, or pros taking the nite off to just dance. I now am not doubting the posters who says most of the girls at Armazem on Wednesdays are programa girls who are working that nite. I will accept the word of other posters about this, since so many swear by it.

My question is, what is the best way to pick up programa girls at Armazem? I really could not tell who is a programa girl, since they were not giving any signals, and I didn't want to approach a non-pro and mistake her for a programa girl. That would be embarrassing! I do not live in Fortaleza and would not recognize who is a programa girl. It seemed to me a rather different scene than at Zipi or Mambo, where every girl is a programa girl and most are not subtle about it as they are in Armazem. The loud music also made it hard to hear, especially with my basic Portuguese, making it even more difficult to pick them up. Armazem seemed to me to be a much harder place to pick them up than at Mambo or Zipi or Cafe del Mar. Any advice about (1) who to approach at Armazem, and (2) what to say?

Any specific details about this would be greatly appreciated! Either here or you can PM me.[/QUOTE]

Hi.

Can anyone give some information about the good places to find girls and places to go with them.

Especially in Olinda, Natal (Ponta Negra) , Pipa or Jericaocaora.

Jerseyajc :

Your response of 1/19/11 (Post # 146) was like a breath of fresh air! Not the usual bull about there being no action in Natal and Fuso Horario sucks or has too many tourists.

Great to hear from someone who knows what they are talking about!

Also, Fortaleza and Natal are two of my favorite places, we agree on that.

I went to both towns in November 2008 and again in November 2010.

By the way, when I was in Fuso Horario in Natal I often would see 2 girls sitting together and many times they would ask me to do a double right away, even before I could bring it up. This never happens anyplace else.

I was curious about what you mentioned as there were other monger places past Fuso Horario on Salsa street. I wasn't aware of them. Can you name them?

I also liked your ideas about who to approach at Armazem in Fortaleza (I didn't want to confuse a non-pro with a pro). Comments on your ideas:

1) check the clothes and shoes:

I didn't notice some girls dressing sluttier than others, and I didn't check out the shoes at all. But I must admit I didn't check out the clothes carefully, but I will next time I go. And if she hangs around with a lot of other girls that are dressed pretty hot, and is not on a date with a local, then you're probably right. She probably is working.

2) See how she responds to others guys trying to hit on her. If she turns them all down, then she is a non-pro. The only problem is, if she is a ho and does not turn them down, then she will leave with one of them, and will not be available.

3) ask a waitress or bartender if the girl is a GDP. I didn't think of this, but it may be a good idea. Do you think they will tell me?

4) Asking her if she goes to Mambo is a great idea. She is a GDP if she goes there. But I would have to phrase this in a good way, because a non-pro might get offended. I might say something like "Armazem is a real good dance place. I also like to dance at Mambo. Do you go there?" How does that sound?

5) Asking her if I can go home with someone so beautiful.

"vc e o mais linda mulher que eu viu. Como eu posso sair com um mulher tao linda?"

That is a great idea Jerseyajc! Even a non-pro would be flattered, and a pro would probably come out and start dealing!

6) A ho will ask you to buy them drinks. That is definitely true. You are on the money again!

One other question on Armazem: The main dance floor and music is on the right as you enter. It's pretty noisy. But it's 10 times louder in that disco on the far left as you enter. It is impossible to talk to anyone there. What is the deal on the girls who go to that disco on the left. Are they pros? Can they be picked up despite the incredible noise?

Very great responses Jerseyajc! I really appreciate it!

One other question: When I was in Natal in 2008 (I went there in Nov 2008 a month after Fuso Horario opened in Oct 2008) I noticed all the girls I met at Fuso Horario only did short time. Afterwards I went to Salvador (Bahia) where all nite was no problem at all. Is this still true now? Is Fuso Horario still only short-time? Can you explain why the GDPs at the two places (Natal and Salvador) are so different?

I will be returning to Brazil within a couple of years. Please PM me if you want to travel together. (Are you from New Jersey?)

[QUOTE=Henry R; 1123779]. Asking her if I can go home with someone so beautiful.

"vc e o mais linda mulher que eu viu. Como eu posso sair com um mulher tao linda?"[/QUOTE]"vc e a mulher mais linda que eu vi. Como eu posso sair com uma mulher tao linda?"

Reading the natal section was wondering if there are venues other than clubs to find pleasure. Is there a concept of private apartments in Natal or Forteleza. If so are they safe? What about terma type venue's? How are you supposed to fuck during the day if you have to wait till late evening and for the clubs to get going?