So you will lose 2 days of Thailand because of the stop-overs roughly right?
My guess is, you will regret it once back home.
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So you will lose 2 days of Thailand because of the stop-overs roughly right?
My guess is, you will regret it once back home.
If you could fly from the West Coast of the USA like SFO, and plot a direct flight from SFO or LAX to BKK you will see a plane would have to fly over North Korea and much of China which is not allowed. All flights entering asian air space when flying to BKK have to avoid North Korea and skirt China. China is too paranoid about the West snapping spy photos. WHen I did a checked the shortest path from SFO-HKG-BKK vs SFO-NRT-BKK I saw only an 8 mile difference. In reality the SFO to HGK will be longer because the later half of the direct flight would have to fly over China. The requirement of skirting China makes the flight longer than the option of connecting thru Narita. The real issue with these flights is the time the Airline departs from SFO and whether ones likes a 14 hour 3 hour flight vs a 10 hour and 7 hour split. The Asian bases airlines depart just after midnight and land at noon while the US based airlines fly around 1pm and and land at BKK at 11 pm.
The NRT to BKK flights are usually closer to 7 hours.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Freeler,
Since gave up on Northwest, just couldn't stand going thru Narita and another 6.5 hours to BKK way to long.
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[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]AVOID!
Sid[/QUOTE]Who is China Air? If you mean China Airlines (Taiwan), then yes avoid. Air China (PRC) is ok.
I fly China airlines avery month.
I think they are great.
I mentioned them through sheer frustration over the multiple times I have used them to fly PEK>BKK. Hopefully their long haul jumbo's aren't as bad but I wouldn't like to test it on my own expense.
I will also wind my neck out here and say that travelling on a plane full of chinese has got to go down as one of my least memorable travel experiences ever.
[QUOTE=Lord Farquard]Watch who you are calling "lower".[/QUOTE]Lord,
I have to agree with freeler I fly eva air a few time from US to BKK ,Tawianese are rude and loud and they have short temper I saw 2 guy in front of me got in to a flight about little thing .
I prefer to fly with Singapore air or Cathay Pacific stop in HKG and easy connection with much better service.
Fast eddie 48
Airlines,
When it comes to airlines getting together in a code share agreement whether we like it or not and whether it seems to benefit each airline the reality it does or they wouldn't continue the agreement. The estimates after the 1st year with USAirways and United code share agreement and this came out of of the corporate office of US Airways was that they made 250 million from this agreement the first year. In SFO, They spend over a million dollars a year contracting a bus company to transport passengers to and from the US Airways terminal to the United.
I think we can all agree that there is a big difference in service between the U.S. base airlines and Asian Airlines. I flew NW, because I had a friend that worked for them and was able to get cheap fares and upgrade to Business class when I traveled but when they went into bankruptcy that all ended. Going thru Narita was always a pain in the ass because the security lines were so long. They seem to be the only country that turn up the screeners to maximum voltage that it picks up everything including your pubic hair! and when you finally depart on NW to BKK on their schedule time you were stuck on the tar mat for 45 minutes prior to take off. Just too much!
Eva, out of SFO, gives me a shorter wait and have 2 flights to BKK, back to back ( 8:30/9:20) gets me into BKK at 11:05am, and there is also a flight on certain days at 4:10pm out of SFO that get you in at 01:40am in the mornin if you don't like leaving after midnight.
Personally I don't like China Airline (CI) either, in TPE the wait seem too long and there was never anyone to help you in the Boarding area while you were waiting.
That is just my experience everyone has their own about their own airline. Next years is the Olypmics in China so I share prices will be going up again so book now. LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Airlines,
When it comes to airlines getting together in a code share agreement whether we like it or not and whether it seems to benefit each airline the reality it does or they wouldn't continue the agreement. The estimates after the 1st year with USAirways and United code share agreement and this came out of of the corporate office of US Airways was that they made 250 million from this agreement the first year. In SFO, They spend over a million dollars a year contracting a bus company to transport passengers to and from the US Airways terminal to the United.
I think we can all agree that there is a big difference in service between the U.S. base airlines and Asian Airlines. I flew NW, because I had a friend that worked for them and was able to get cheap fares and upgrade to Business class when I traveled but when they went into bankruptcy that all ended. Going thru Narita was always a pain in the ass because the security lines were so long. They seem to be the only country that turn up the screeners to maximum voltage that it picks up everything including your pubic hair! and when you finally depart on NW to BKK on their schedule time you were stuck on the tar mat for 45 minutes prior to take off. Just too much!
Eva, out of SFO, gives me a shorter wait and have 2 flights to BKK, back to back ( 8:30/9:20) gets me into BKK at 11:05am, and there is also a flight on certain days at 4:10pm out of SFO that get you in at 01:40am in the mornin if you don't like leaving after midnight.
Personally I don't like China Airline (CI) either, in TPE the wait seem too long and there was never anyone to help you in the Boarding area while you were waiting.
That is just my experience everyone has their own about their own airline. Next years is the Olypmics in China so I share prices will be going up again so book now. LBM[/QUOTE]LBM,
Cathay pacific have 2 flight a day from SFO 12.30 am flight arrive 6.30 am in HKG 14 hr and HKG to BKK at 9.00am arrive around 11.am at BKK , they also have a afternoon flight from SFO now arrive BKK very late at night cost is about 900 usd included tax with stop over in HK .
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Freeler]Artisttyp,
For me, EVA arrives in BKK too early in the morning and they carry a 'lower' class of people.[/QUOTE]The behaviour from the people on the plain mainly depends on the destination or route and I know exactly what you mean when you say " low class people ", I have been using EVA twice from AMS and that kind of passengers are not he best looking guys, how older the better and dressed in T-shirts and plastic shorts, my wife will never allow me to wash my car in the backyard in that outfit, and yes, they are going all to BK on a low budget with hard earned money for a 2 week sex holiday, low cost flights from FRA are sometimes pretty the same, but you can think " low class " but you don’t say it or write it down. It’s just up to us to avoid this kind of routes and maybe pay a bit more and get a better airline or clean connection.
Flying to BKK from wherever in Europe is normally not a problem when it comes to passengers with bad behaviour or standards behind our western culture.
I know LBM his kind of Indian passenger story, I had same experiences but suggest you to try flights out off some black African country’s or Morocco (lucky me I don’t have to do this anymore), sitting next to locals that haven’t seen a shower for the last 6 Mont’s, with a terrible smell, bringing mosquitoes and flea’s with them, they have different habits and culture and mainly no education but you can’t say " low class " at least TMHO
If you like to avoid that kind of experiences on risky flight, just avoid these destinations or fly business class.
John Euro
Gentleman, as I indicate I think depending where the origination and destination everyone is going to have a bad experience from time to time. What might happen in Europe might not happen in SFO!
In our world there are the have's and have not! If we can afford it I think everyone would dress better, try to obtain a better education for themselves and their kids, and certainly travel in first or business class if the money was available. I'm sure the guys in First are thinking the guys in Business are low class too and of course some pilots are thinking F--K them all.
When it comes to dress each airline has their policy and it's up to them to enforce or address them if a passenger is dress improperly or smell!
When I pay money whether I travel Business, Deluxe, or coach depending on my budget at the time I'm just happy to get home to Pattaya without a hitch but for example, if a passenger behind me is sticking his bare feet from behind my seat I don't find it rude to turn around and politely point that out to him or her. But when I travel on a Airline discount I have to bit the bullet!
I am well aware of the schedule out of SFO, with Cathy Pacific but right now I haven't gotten over my last experience and which they also screw me over my program miles so right now will not use them again. I don't particularly care about companies that do not respond to a legitimate complaint.
Regardless of my opinion which is just that if you are happy with your airline I say stick with them!
Enjoy,LBM
john,
"but you don’t say it or write it down""
i'm glad to see that you're all for freedom of speech.
you said " low class ". i didn't.
lbm,
i really prefer business now. i flew business only on miles before. but seeing the long rows at sub airport... a no brainer.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Gentleman, as I indicate I think depending where the origination and destination everyone is going to have a bad experience from time to time. What might happen in Europe might not happen in SFO!
In our world there are the have's and have not! If we can afford it I think everyone would dress better, try to obtain a better education for themselves and their kids, and certainly travel in first or business class if the money was available. I'm sure the guys in First are thinking the guys in Business are low class too and of course some pilots are thinking F--K them all.
When it comes to dress each airline has their policy and it's up to them to enforce or address them if a passenger is dress improperly or smell!
When I pay money whether I travel Business, Deluxe, or coach depending on my budget at the time I'm just happy to get home to Pattaya without a hitch but for example, if a passenger behind me is sticking his bare feet from behind my seat I don't find it rude to turn around and politely point that out to him or her. But when I travel on a Airline discount I have to bit the bullet!
I am well aware of the schedule out of SFO, with Cathy Pacific but right now I haven't gotten over my last experience and which they also screw me over my program miles so right now will not use them again. I don't particularly care about companies that do not respond to a legitimate complaint.
Regardless of my opinion which is just that if you are happy with your airline I say stick with them!
Enjoy,LBM[/QUOTE]LBM,
I flight with cathay about 12 time a yr they alway listen and respond to my complain , last yr on my flight to HKG they fly to incheon to refuel and I miss my connection to Manila for my meeting they send me 100 usd flight coupon for inflight shopping but they do take a long time to respond something like 2 week after .
Fast eddie 48
Sometimes, Brains and money just don't go hand in hand. If you can afford it I say go for it. I'm not that big so as long as I get a isle seat I'm find. I do a lot standing and stretching in the back. But I know what you mean about Business class even on Northwest Airline when I got those free upgrades, for a American Carrier the food and service was pretty good.
Good for it! LBM
I bought a Rado copy some years ago in Pattaya at a taylor who hided the watches under his cloths and just showed them on request. Those copies were much better the the ones you can buy at the street stands. You don't see it's an immitation and it's still well working after 5 years.
Does anybody know such a place in Bangkok? Don't wanna buy the cheap immitations on Sukhumvit stands.
[QUOTE=Bamboo Pete]I bought a Rado copy some years ago in Pattaya at a taylor who hided the watches under his cloths and just showed them on request. Those copies were much better the the ones you can buy at the street stands. You don't see it's an immitation and it's still well working after 5 years.
Does anybody know such a place in Bangkok? Don't wanna buy the cheap immitations on Sukhumvit stands.[/QUOTE]
This is something I know alot about. The best quality copies can be found in the stands that set up at Patpong 1 at night. I recently picked up a few very high quality copies of a Vacheron Constantin, a Jaeger LeCoultre, a Breguet, and a Patek Phillippe there. You have to ask to see the really good copies, as most of the stands will not have their best copies out for public viewing. My experience is that they will start out asking between 3500 and 4200 baht for the good copies, and will take between 1600 and 1800. Everyone has Breitling, Omega, & Rolex copies of varying quality, and usually some lousy Patek Phillippes. Lange & Sohne and IWC copies are also easy to find. The good ones of the brands I bought are much tougher to get than these.
FYI, in addition to the stands at Sukhumvit, I have also checked out the night markets at Hua Hin, Chiang Mai, and MBK and Sun Luam Night Bazaar in Bangkok. Several of the Patpong vendors have the best variety of the best quality fakes among the vast quantities of mediocre fake watches that you will find, although a few of the vendors at MBK have some high quality fakes as well, if you ask them to show you them (they are not displayed among their general wares). The Sun Luam vendors, as well as those on Sukhumvit, were almost uniformly selling crap, with the exception of some decent Rolex and Breitling fakes if that's what you want.
But, I would observe, if you have near term plans to go to Beijing, Saigon, or Shanghai, those cities have more better copies, generally available for less.