Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2528163]I don't know if any of you have condom advice to share but feel free to chime in. Seems like a never ending journey for me. LOL.

Stage 1 Fucking hate condoms. Why bother just stick with blowjob which is so much better.

Stage 2 Discover Japanese condoms. Okamoto 01 and 02. Really dig them but even XL is a bit tight and then I had like three break in a row. That crossed them off my list.

Stage 3 Moved to Trojan Bareskins and really like them. Quite a good feel. But Sarah says the latex gives her a rash and Layla says she's gets a UTI from latex condoms.

Stage 4 Using Skyn Elites. Like these. Non latex. Feel good but don't break. Think the Bareskins might feel a notch better. Might have to do a side by side compare with a girl that doesn't mind latex.

And avoid Durex Real Feel at all costs. They are non latex and the store was out of Skyns. I was fucking Layla the other day with one and might as well have had a condom made of football leather on. Couldn't feel a thing. Fortunately scrounged up a Skyn and finished the deed. LOL.

What's your experience?[/QUOTE]Simple. I use SKYN. Latex condoms give me irritation.

Use or don't use?? I use. I don't diss anyone that goes bareback. It does feel amazing.

Why I use "protection"? I had an SB (19 yr old college girl) in my suite one night and after showing her some BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu), it got her all turned on due to the closeness of the guards (full guard, half guard. Any of you BJJ guys out there will know what I'm talking about), etc. She initiated. I returned the favor to see that she was already soaking wet. BBBJ was great, and at that moment, I realized that I had no condoms! I didn't think I was going to bang her that nightShe said to me, "I mean, I'm clean, so it's ok". I decided against it and just went with the BBBJ. I banged her a few times over the next month. All with condoms. She called me one day and tells me that I should go get tested bc she is positive for clym. She said that she had to call 2 other guys that both hit it raw to inform them as well. I was all good, but man, that really put it in my head to put on my seatbelt, even when taking a Sunday drive.

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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2528079]In the USA, I do not think you get anywhere without a price. I will say with those women "My range of giving gifts has been from $ to $$ In other countries, where the women usually are not as experienced, I find I do not have to. I say "We have to figure out what our schedules are like and I prefer to talk about these things in person. " Most actually accept that and the women are much less interested in the how much question after we meet. When the women insist on a price, they are often more ho than SB types.

I like your approach Lshroomer and understand what you are saying but I just wonder if that kind of lecturing phrase on goods and services might make a woman think, "I am not going out with this guy, he is not going to give me anything. " My goal is to get the woman to meet me so I appear generous but not to commit myself to a price because so often the women show up not looking like their pics (both better and worse) or just the woman somehow turns me off. I usually know if I want the woman after the first few minutes and usually everything outside of the price is usually forgotten about once the woman and you have a face to face meeting.[/QUOTE]That's a good point. I'm sure some women have had the thought that I'm cheap. While others use that opportunity to start the compensation conversation and that's my goal, to have a conversation about how we can help each other. I prefer for the girl to spit out a number first and then negotiate from there. This has worked pretty well, especially when mentioning that I don't want anything transactional. I don't try to go cheap (I use regional averages), but I'm not looking to take the place of her employer either. LOL. I also like other approaches that I've heard in the responses, like lets discuss in person and see if we have chemistry. All good info guys. Keep it coming.

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I've been meeting a student after talking on SA last year. She wasn't ready for sex but wanted small allowances for just clubbing and stuff. I thought at some point she'd change. She didn’t change but she introduced me to her friend who is fine with sex. Going to meet her day after tomorrow. This is sheer luck.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2528201]When a girl asks, "what do you offer?" I always say, "Let's meet first to see if there's chemistry. If there's chemistry, then we can discuss an agreement. ".

One would think that my response is reasonable, but many girls then take a pass on me. But I am okay with this, because these are exactly the types of girls that I would not have had chemistry with anyway. And for me chemistry is important in an arrangement. If and when it is not important, then that's when I see a WG.[/QUOTE]My approach is precisely the same, and for mostly the same reason (although discretion is another important factor for me, and putting anything into electronic form is permanent). If a girl wants to discuss business before we've met, it usually indicates that we won't be a good personality match, but since I already know I'm attracted and have invested time in her, I will try to get her to meet in person saying the same thing ("I prefer to discuss details in person" This also establishes your frame, which is a key dynamic with women. The pros will emphatically decline, and select themselves out naturally because they really have no interest in you on any level other than your wallet. Either way, I always end it politely. And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".

It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.

So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.

Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2529008]So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.

Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CarloRogue;2528965]And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".

It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.[/QUOTE]There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.

About a couple weeks ago I made an account on seeking arrangements and this girl had sent me a message saying we could work something out. She told me I would get a monthly allowance and we had planned trips for him to visit. All of this is sketchy and I shouldn't have done it so please don't lecture me. I gave her my account login info (should have been my first clue) she deposited a check for $3,000 and asked me to go make money transfers for her (another red flag). I did it because the left over money would be mine to keep. The next day we did the same thing, I went and did money transfers for her and just casually talked throughout the day. Today I today up and my account is -$6000 because the checks she deposited into my account weren't cleared. I found out she did sign my name on the checks so that if fraud but I did let her into my account so that was my stupidity. I have contacted my bank but after the transactions they called me so I could confirm the deposits and I did. I also filed a report to the police and they are reviewing it so now I just wait. I know there is a big chance of me being shit out of luck but if there any other solutions I'm open to hear them.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2529227]There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.[/QUOTE]All the more reason why my goal on SA is to get to a face-to-face meet & greet with as little up front effort as possible. And by and large, the real girls are interested in the same. A little light banter back & forth to set the mood is ok, but I find I don't really even need that. I'm funnier and can work kino escalation in the first 30 minutes of a date without much getting-to-know-you texting in advance. There are always exceptions, but if a "girl" is dragging her feet about meeting, you are not likely to ever actually meet her in my experience. Or it's just not worth it, given all the options out there. And I put "girl" in quotes because if she doesn't want to meet you in person, you really have no idea who you are conversing with anyway.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2529227]There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.[/QUOTE]So yeah I don't mind the time waste. The flirty chat is fine. It's just disappointing when you are looking forward to a date that night and they kill it. There is no doubt the timing of their request because they know you are hot to trot and some guys just might pony up. For me just an annoyance and as Ariana Grande says "thank you. Next!

And just last night I hit the opposite end of the spectrum it appears. The naive babe in the woods. She didn't want to do phone too nervous about her number. And asked me to do Kik. Well red flag there. Mostly hookers on Kik. But I play along. And her Kik has her name. A really distinctive Asian name. And sure enough googling it turns up an old linked in and Facebook with a pic of her son and current Instagram. I point this out thinking it's prob a scam and she will ghost me, but just the opposite. She seems to be legit this girl and really worried about what she's done and changes her name and all.

Anyhow long story short I am 99% convinced she is just a naive girl but we meetup later this week and will find out! Never a dull moment. She's a Cambodian hottie BTW.

[QUOTE=CarloRogue;2528965]My approach is precisely the same, and for mostly the same reason (although discretion is another important factor for me, and putting anything into electronic form is permanent). If a girl wants to discuss business before we've met, it usually indicates that we won't be a good personality match, but since I already know I'm attracted and have invested time in her, I will try to get her to meet in person saying the same thing ("I prefer to discuss details in person" This also establishes your frame, which is a key dynamic with women. The pros will emphatically decline, and select themselves out naturally because they really have no interest in you on any level other than your wallet. Either way, I always end it politely. And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".

It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.[/QUOTE]I'm not on SA now because Covid but will be getting back on after vaccinations. Only did 3 months last summer for the first time when my travels to inexpensive pussylands were shut down. I was not interested in hard core hookers either. Wanted that GFE that I often get in Latin America where I like to wife up for a few days on vacations. My first few weeks on SA got hit up by a lot of pros. You could tell because they went right to the pricing and it was always very steep. I then put in my profile "no pros" and it cut down on them quite a bit but not completely. BTW what does GPS mean?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2529294]I'm not on SA now because Covid but will be getting back on after vaccinations. Only did 3 months last summer for the first time when my travels to inexpensive pussylands were shut down. I was not interested in hard core hookers either. Wanted that GFE that I often get in Latin America where I like to wife up for a few days on vacations. My first few weeks on SA got hit up by a lot of pros. You could tell because they went right to the pricing and it was always very steep. I then put in my profile "no pros" and it cut down on them quite a bit but not completely. BTW what does GPS mean?[/QUOTE]GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome.

LOL sounds like you found a few girls with GPS.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2529008]So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.

Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.[/QUOTE]Steve,

It is a numbers game, as you know. Over the Holidays in MTY, I totally hit the wall. I was having to work so much harder, but some good contacts came out of all my hard work. I was able to add a few girls to the team.

SA is so much more difficult in the states. As I mentioned before I thought SA would have been easy in Austin, it was way harder than Houston and same price or more expensive.

I finally got fed up and put my attention to San Antonio, totally different experience. Way more positive and cheaper. Nothing changed about me, just better location for SA. Then Covid hit and I got it, this was at the beginning so I did not know what to do, so I was out for 2-3 weeks. Out of all that mess, I rediscovered MTY, the rest is History. I am absolutely killing in MTY, totally out of controller. Good luck and keep up the great reports.

Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.

So far I've struck out with several. I think it's a tough gig because they are married or have boyfriends and really just want to take you to the champagne room which is $200 for 15 minutes and no extras offered. Boo. The approach I've used was pretty direct but I don't think the right way. I asked if they knew about SB and probably acted too experienced and tried to get them out. Maybe too rushed and too direct and too player.

So this girl is different. First of all an amazing Latina spinner. Unlike others she is not just trying to drive me to the room. Very friendly. Very handsy. We order shots and enjoy those for a while. We chat really amicably. I tell her I don't really think the rooms are worth it and she agrees! I am not shy because I totally dig her and ask if she has a husband or boyfriend. She says neither. But she talks about her three year old boy.

I am intending to tip her when we part but after maybe 45 minutes she says she has to pee but takes her drink with her and she's gone for quite a bit and I have to leave. I don't blame her for exiting I mean she wasn't getting anything from me in her mind other than the shot. But I find her talking w her friend and give her a hug goodbye and slip her $100 and thank her for her time.

Ok so now I am set up for the long shot next time I see her. She is totally my dream girl. Amazing eyes. Dynamite smile. Killer tights body. I have a plan but want to hear from I guys first. How would you approach this? What would you say to her in what order to get her out on an SB meetup date?

Only way I would play it is straight up. Tell her you like her, thinks she is amazing. Tell her what you want. Let her respond. If she's interested she will let you know, if not, time to move on. Better to get it out of the way right up front.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2529361]Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.

So far I've struck out with several. I think it's a tough gig because they are married or have boyfriends and really just want to take you to the champagne room which is $200 for 15 minutes and no extras offered. Boo. The approach I've used was pretty direct but I don't think the right way. I asked if they knew about SB and probably acted too experienced and tried to get them out. Maybe too rushed and too direct and too player.

So this girl is different. First of all an amazing Latina spinner. Unlike others she is not just trying to drive me to the room. Very friendly. Very handsy. We order shots and enjoy those for a while. We chat really amicably. I tell her I don't really think the rooms are worth it and she agrees! I am not shy because I totally dig her and ask if she has a husband or boyfriend. She says neither. But she talks about her three year old boy.

I am intending to tip her when we part but after maybe 45 minutes she says she has to pee but takes her drink with her and she's gone for quite a bit and I have to leave. I don't blame her for exiting I mean she wasn't getting anything from me in her mind other than the shot. But I find her talking w her friend and give her a hug goodbye and slip her $100 and thank her for her time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2529361]Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.

So far I've struck out with several. I think it's a tough gig because they are married or have boyfriends and really just want to take you to the champagne room which is $200 for 15 minutes and no extras offered. Boo. The approach I've used was pretty direct but I don't think the right way. I asked if they knew about SB and probably acted too experienced and tried to get them out. Maybe too rushed and too direct and too player.

So this girl is different. First of all an amazing Latina spinner. Unlike others she is not just trying to drive me to the room. Very friendly. Very handsy. We order shots and enjoy those for a while. We chat really amicably. I tell her I don't really think the rooms are worth it and she agrees! I am not shy because I totally dig her and ask if she has a husband or boyfriend. She says neither. But she talks about her three year old boy.

I am intending to tip her when we part but after maybe 45 minutes she says she has to pee but takes her drink with her and she's gone for quite a bit and I have to leave. I don't blame her for exiting I mean she wasn't getting anything from me in her mind other than the shot. But I find her talking w her friend and give her a hug goodbye and slip her $100 and thank her for her time.

Ok so now I am set up for the long shot next time I see her. She is totally my dream girl. Amazing eyes. Dynamite smile. Killer tights body. I have a plan but want to hear from I guys first. How would you approach this? What would you say to her in what order to get her out on an SB meetup date?[/QUOTE]I've struck up friendships (with benefits) with a few strippers before, both from SA and directly from the club. The latter is very difficult, as the odds are poor that they have any real interest in you other than getting your money while you're in the club, and you can't take their friendliness as any positive indication. What has worked for me is to have a casual conversation with them like they're a normal girl, as if you're at a coffee shop together. Don't mention anything about stripping and why she does it, avoid creepy sounding jokes, trying to posture like you're some kind of player, etc (cause you'll sound like every other horny, out-of-her-league guy she's ever met in the club). It's also important that you politely decline any offer for a lap dance, tell her your just there for a drink and hang out, but encourage her to find another customer if she brings it up and tell her to come back later to chat (it's her job after all). She needs to see you as different from all her other customers, but that doesn't mean you need to be flashy or over-the-top in any way. Your goal should just be to get her number so you can get her outside the club for a coffee, drink, dinner, whatever. Also, I would not have given her the cash like you did. It just makes you look like an ATM to her. It might be difficult to reframe yourself after that, to be honest.

In my experience, strippers don't conform to all the commonly held stereotypes (eg, daddy issues, drugs, etc), but I have found that a lot of them do feel a bit alienated from regular society because of their employment choice and crave some form of acceptance in "polite" society, so anything that reconnects them to that could appeal to them. This provides the angle you can use to grab her attention, especially as an established, successful older man. But for that reason, I would caution you: if you are indeed successful turning one into a FWB or SB and she's digging you, I highly recommend you wear protection and thoroughly clean up after yourself (hint).