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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2069813]Violeta. Ro and hot wet tornado are lovely. [/QUOTE]So is Violetta your long GF from LR or YinYang?
I am surprised that you take her for so long as she does not seem to fit your criteria. She is more 'slutty' as she goes around hunting, than 'classy'. Her face is plain and her body is not of 'top model' shape. But she is still a nice girl.
[QUOTE=TankTank123;2070146]So is Violetta your long GF from LR or YinYang?
I am surprised that you take her for so long as she does not seem to fit your criteria. She is more 'slutty' as she goes around hunting, than 'classy'. Her face is plain and her body is not of 'top model' shape. But she is still a nice girl.[/QUOTE]Violeta. Ro is ex Larissa LR and YY. She is not a perfect beauty like Madi or Megan even not anymore so sophisticated for my tastes, but she is really lovely, always smiling, always kissing, a real great GFE even out of the room, even when I didn't go with her at Sharks and I'm also faithful to my good girls who give me pleasure. I never saw her on public exhibition, so no problem for me.
Same kind of girls than Aylice. Bu, new hot wet tornado or Hungarian Candy at GT, not top models, but great GFE woman behavior always willing to please me, so even I will always prefer top beauties who will always be the best for me because they make me dream, so more pleasure for me with a beauty even not a top performer, but I also like this kind of woman behavior. I could say the same for Claudia ex LR, great woman behavior to enjoy.
We also have to make girls will to give us their woman behavior, Claudia is easy going for this, hot tornado said I'm a real devil to make her horny like this when I showed her cyprine going outside of her, just kissing and caressing her big tits. Also funny when I showed to my ex LR regular, her cyprine on my fingers and proposed her to taste, but she didn't want to taste, so I put in my mouth and went very close to her face, so she kissed me and I put her juice in her mouth, asking her if she liked. Same after BJ. Erotic games to enjoy.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2069799]All FKKs should allow public sex. That way the girl will be forced to perform well.[/QUOTE]When I have asked Sharks girls to do public sex there is the usual girl tactic of not answering. Finally after insisting on an answer the girl says no.
Not even in the alcove room leading to the massage rooms will a girl do a BJ while we wait for a room. At Oase this waa normal to get a BJ while waiting in line for a room.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2070162]At Oase this waa normal to get a BJ while waiting in line for a room.[/QUOTE]Was. Times long gone since the keys are given out at the bar.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2069790]Goth FKK, Bitumen and Turgid. I really really hate that too. Watching the lockers at Sharks it seems to have become a club rule that the girl just snatches the money and looks bored. Quite a few men initiate a kiss and the girls will respond half-heartedly. As others pointed out earlier, these girls don't even provide good manners, which at least a sex robot could be programmed to do.[/QUOTE]Yes true, but also have a look at the manners and behaviour of some men.
Lots of men don't even offer a hand or an arm to the girl when she struggles up those dark stairs in very high platform heels. For a girl this is not a good first impression and just imagine how gallant and respectful these guys are in a room when no one is looking. Of course there are the unmannered girls who like to scam and cheat, but judging by the manners and body odour of some men, I'm not surprised when a WG will only provide an absolute minimum level of service and just snatch the E50 and walk away.
It's the small things that cost next to nothing like taking a shower, putting on some deodorant and being a gentleman by and offering a hand when a girl is walking up the stairs, that will IMHO be reciprocally rewarded by most WG's in most cases.
[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2070183]Yes true, but also have a look at the manners and behaviour of some men.
Lots of men don't even offer a hand or an arm to the girl when she struggles up those dark stairs in very high platform heels. For a girl this is not a good first impression and just imagine how gallant and respectful these guys are in a room when no one is looking. Judging by the manners and body odour of some men, I'm not surprised if a WG will provide an absolute minimum level of service and just snatch the E50 and walk away.
It's the small things that cost next to nothing like taking a shower, putting on some deodorant and being a gentleman by and offering a hand when a girl is walking up the stairs, that will IMHO be reciprocally rewarded by most WG's.[/QUOTE]Very interesting to look at how they go to room and even more interesting to see how they return from room. Of course, manners pay to get from girls. Guys who want to fuck a girl for 30 full minutes for only 50 €, have to know girls then may think to be treated like a piece of meat. On the other hand, if you take a little time to treat her like a woman, maybe most of girls may think they are not only a hole to fill, and feel better about their own image, more comfortable to give more. Behind the prostitute, there is a woman, there are guys who are able to talk to the woman and most of guys who are just able to fuck the prostitute. We are given back from what we are and our behavior, just like in real life.
I find German new law good to protect girls and good for me. I'm pretty sure in future with new girls, my manners will make me stronger to get from girls, according to my experiences since 1st July.
[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2070183]Yes true, but also have a look at the manners and behaviour of some men.
Lots of men don't even offer a hand or an arm to the girl when she struggles up those dark stairs in very high platform heels. For a girl this is not a good first impression and just imagine how gallant and respectful these guys are in a room when no one is looking. Of course there are the unmannered girls who like to scam and cheat, but judging by the manners and body odour of some men, I'm not surprised when a WG will only provide an absolute minimum level of service and just snatch the E50 and walk away.
It's the small things that cost next to nothing like taking a shower, putting on some deodorant and being a gentleman by and offering a hand when a girl is walking up the stairs, that will IMHO be reciprocally rewarded by most WG's in most cases.[/QUOTE]Very true. I always try to be polite and make the best impression I can with the girl with my limited assets. There is no reason for us men to be uncouth and impolite: like you I think that if we try to be nice then the girl is more likely to be nice.
Maybe my post was a bit too negative: I never seem to feel at my most positive when at Sharks.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2070183]Yes true, but also have a look at the manners and behaviour of some men.
Lots of men don't even offer a hand or an arm to the girl when she struggles up those dark stairs in very high platform heels. For a girl this is not a good first impression and just imagine how gallant and respectful these guys are in a room when no one is looking. Of course there are the unmannered girls who like to scam and cheat, but judging by the manners and body odour of some men, I'm not surprised when a WG will only provide an absolute minimum level of service and just snatch the E50 and walk away.
It's the small things that cost next to nothing like taking a shower, putting on some deodorant and being a gentleman by and offering a hand when a girl is walking up the stairs, that will IMHO be reciprocally rewarded by most WG's in most cases.[/QUOTE]Completely on line with you, we should start to change what is under our responsibility before trying to change the others. Most of the time when I see the girl walking 3 meters from the man after a session I am just wondering how after sharing the most intimate parts of theirs bodies people can behave like that, there is no erotic just animal sex. With the new law, several girls are telling me that the job is easier, they put the condom, BJ a little bit, then sex (most of the time their mind is somewhere else) and they wish the guy will finish ASAP.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2070196]Guys who want to fuck a girl for 30 full minutes for only 50 , have to know girls then may think to be treated like a piece of meat.[/QUOTE]I'm a E50/30 minutes guy, but I always make this clear to a girl before I suggest to go up to a room.
Of course many WG's want to make long rooms and talk about god-knows-what for E100 per hour instead of fucking, but most WG's are also perfectly okay with E50/30 min if you make their job easy by behaving in a normal and polite manner, and I never had any problem with a girl about this.
For a girl E50/30min with a guy who behaves in a polite way and doesn't stink of sweat or garlic, is better than not earning any money and sitting around, smoking cigarettes, drinking water, and talking to her girlfriends. I'm in a brothel so I want to pay to have sex, not to talk. If I need someone to talk to for 1,5 - 2 hours about politics, my pet, my life, my latest vacation or my problems, I go to friends or a psychotherapist.
Naturally this doesn't mean that I don't engage in some polite smalltalk with WG's or that I'm not interested in their lives, but when the 30 minutes are up I usually don't extend because I want to continue talking. I extend because I want to have sex again! 😋.
[QUOTE=HornyHarry;2070297]I'm a E50/30 minutes guy, but I always make this clear to a girl before I suggest to go up to a room.
Of course many WG's want to make long rooms and talk about god-knows-what for E100 per hour instead of fucking, but most WG's are also perfectly okay with E50/30 min if you make their job easy by behaving in a normal and polite manner, and I never had any problem with a girl about this.
For a girl E50/30min with a guy who behaves in a polite way and doesn't stink of sweat or garlic, is better than not earning any money and sitting around, smoking cigarettes, drinking water, and talking to her girlfriends. I'm in a brothel so I want to pay to have sex, not to talk. If I need someone to talk to for 1,5 - 2 hours about politics, my pet, my life, my latest vacation or my problems, I go to friends or a psychotherapist.
Naturally this doesn't mean that I don't engage in some polite smalltalk with WG's or that I'm not interested in their lives, but when the 30 minutes are up I usually don't extend because I want to continue talking. I extend because I want to have sex again!.[/QUOTE]As you say, you try to be polite with good manners. Do you think most of guys behave like this? Just ask girls. Maybe you don't fuck the girl all along 30 mn, when some are thinking about 2 rounds for 30 mn for 50 €. Many of the best girls left Sharks because they didn't want anymore: everything asked, kissing, BBBJ, sex in all positions, sometimes even bareback, for only 50, when they can make now 120 CHF = more than 110 €, after paying the room.
Staying long time in room don't mean chatting or playing cards. Some who finish very fast according to the girls, have time to speak about me with Megan but she is too expensive now, or Kate or another one at GT, staying only 30 mn for 50 €. As I was used to kiss and caress my girlfriends sometimes for hours before sex, when I find a great kisser, I can kiss and caress her for nearly 1 hour without talking because tongues are in others mouth, then 20/30 mn DATY to drink her juice, the only way for me to be sure she really cum, then 20 mn for BJ when she is skillful, then some erotic games and sex which often make 2 hours, without talking much, but to enjoy. With my good girls, my standard is now 1 h30 and we are often over to 1 h45 , but they take my 150 with smiles and kisses, even with my first time tornado at Sharks. Many of my girls say I exhaust them, a girl who was used to 20 fast rooms in a day, find me sometimes too sporty. On my last visit at Sharks, my tornado was so hot and wet for our first 1 h30 room, so I wanted to repeat with fire, but for our second room at night, after wet foreplay, she asked me to stop during sex, she was not wet anymore, but dry vagina, because she was exhausted, she said: I want you finish but please don't kill me. Many of my regulars say they can't work after our room and take quite long time to recover, but I don't hurt them, so they come again to me.
Each one his way for sex and behavior with girls. The truth is what we get from girls: pleasure or disappointment. My last Sharks girls since 1 year: Roberta, Leila, Mersi. Hu, Mandy, blond Gloria. Ro, hot wet tornado were good to great, I don't say about my regulars of course. Only bad point for me at Sharks, but the most important for me, is no top beauty seen since too long time.
Women like to talk to me, but I'm not interested to talk with FKK girls, because bored of lies, and white on one day and black on the next day, so no time for speaking in room, only my games but I like to take all my time to enjoy them, I'm not a rabbit, I have time. I prefer to make less rooms, but to enjoy my rooms. Quality versus quantity.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2070196]Guys who want to fuck a girl for 30 full minutes for only 50 , have to know girls then may think to be treated like a piece of meat. On the other hand, if you take a little time to treat her like a woman, maybe most of girls may think they are not only a hole to fill, and feel better about their own image, more comfortable to give more. Behind the prostitute, there is a woman, there are guys who are able to talk to the woman and most of guys who are just able to fuck the prostitute. We are given back from what we are and our behavior, just like in real life.
I find German new law good to protect girls and good for me. I'm pretty sure in future with new girls, my manners will make me stronger to get from girls, according to my experiences since 1st July.[/QUOTE]I think its a good strategy to believe that the girls do not look at us as just walking ATM machines. That way you can delude yourself into enjoying the encounter better. However, in p4p as in life generally I am too much of a realist to do that. I look at things as they are, not as I would like them to be. I feel certain that a girl, however sweet she may be, who collects 150 E for a half hour of sex and one hour of talking thinks to herself "Boy, what a sucker". Reality.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2069799]All FKKs should allow public sex. That way the girl will be forced to perform well.[/QUOTE]Do clubs Not allow public sex?
I only attend 3 clubs, and have fucked in the open in all 3 of them (Sharks, Oase, Artemis).
In any of these clubs, there was no rule against public sex -- at least not from the management. And there is no reason that should have changed post July 1.
It's always about finding girls willing to do it. Not to mention, guys. In fact, I would bet that a far higher percent of girls are willing to indulge in public sex than guys. Girls will do anything for money, and most of them are not shy. They may pretend to, but they are not. If a guy insists on public sex, they would rather do it than losing the sale completely. The only reason they don't do is because of some peer pressure from other girls, and occasionally shyness about other girls seeing them. Almost no girl is shy about another guy seeing her fuck her man. In contrast, I am seeing more and more guys wearing fully covering robes and some wrap a towel and a robe on top, and a few even have an underwear with a towel and robe. These guys are afraid they will get raped in a club? Seriously. (If a girl raped me, I would not go to the front desk to complain, I promise). As others have observed, there is some ethnic aspect to this phenomenon, even if I don't like to perpetuate stereotypes.
What girls said at Sharks is that if they fuck on the main floor, there is an extra 50. Many girls said this, so I don't know if this is actually a club rule or if an unofficial norm adopted by the girls over time. That said, I have never seen actual fucking in the main lounge at Sharks. I have fucked in the garden, and on the couches outside VIP rooms many times, and never paid an extra dime for the public aspect of it. Not all girls are up for this, but many are also ok. In general, they are surprised at getting asked to fuck in the open because they say so many men are shy.
In Oase, it used to be easier to fuck in the kino. In a recent trip I succeeded in getting just one girl to fuck me in the kino -- might be bad luck on that specific night, as in the prior trip I found 3 (of 4) girls to fuck in the kino. I would say BJ is much easier, and more than 60% are willing to blow you in the kino, at least as an appetizer before partaking the main course in the room.
In Artemis, I fucked downstairs in the kino multiple times, and also in the smaller kino next to the main lounge. It's much easier to obtain public sex in Artemis in my experience. However, I attended Artemis much less than the Frankfurt clubs.
Not all girls are as free and open as squeezebox Carla. She said she will drop down to blow and fuck a guy anywhere, as in anywhere. Proved it to me too a couple of times. Now there is a real woman.
So, my mantra to anyone lamenting lack of public sex - don't fret, go for it. Just like a healthy democracy requires all citizens to be proactive and not be passive, a healthy public sex scene begins from within - take charge and ask.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2070431]I think its a good strategy to believe that the girls do not look at us as just walking ATM machines. That way you can delude yourself into enjoying the encounter better. However, in p4p as in life generally I am too much of a realist to do that. I look at things as they are, not as I would like them to be. I feel certain that a girl, however sweet she may be, who collects 150 E for a half hour of sex and one hour of talking thinks to herself "Boy, what a sucker". Reality.[/QUOTE]Of course, FKK girls go to room with us for money, but when I pay, for everything in my life, I want to enjoy for what I pay. I prefer to pay more expensive for a real beauty who will give pleasure to my mind, rather than 50 for a average look girl even a top performer. Of course, sometimes I will like some GND because they have something attractive for me: Smile, eyes, skin. I read many guys complain about Sharks girls behavior, about upselling, I'm not anymore a Sharks weekly regular, I don't have anymore any Sharks regular when I had many, most of girls don't know me now, but I find girls really friendly in lounge and didn't have any bad room or upselling since 1 year, since I'm not anymore a weekly regular, so I really think we get from what we are with girls, and I don't force them, to get the best from them. As I wrote, I think many of my girls think my 150 € for 1 h30 rooms are quite exhausting physically for them, taking 20 mn or more to recover, I don t pay to sleep or to speak about other guys. My ex LR girl who is the most attractive I met because all what I like for a woman look, when not too tired face looking as being banged all night, was paid for companionship exhibitions on couch, some guys enjoy to make public shows, or for 5/6 hours rooms with long chatting and sleeping times, of course she can't sleep with the guy, but before I decided to stop with her because I didn't like her new business, public behavior, I always said to her: I will never pay you for social time on couch, when she came to me as soon she saw me, and she answered: Do I ever ask You money for this? I also said to her: I m not interested to speak in room, about your other clients, then she answered: Why you don't like to speak with me? Because she likes to waste time like this as she say, so I said: I prefer to be honest, I chose You because I want You, for only foreplay and sexual games in room for usually more than 1 h30 for 150 , for about 40 rooms in less than 5 months working for her. If she wanted to keep me as her longest time client, when I was not anymore the biggest money, when I said to her I was not attracted anymore by her new public behavior, she had planned short holidays before coming back to make more money she likes so much, as I said to her: She became ready for anything to make money, but she did lengthen her holidays. Maybe my best present for her, for sure she was said I found a new one, even not same woman potential but she is improving, and better public behavior for me.
To Jnp, most of my regulars ask me not to take them in kino and I don t need to make a show with them, sometimes we wait for 2 hours for a room at LR or GT. I often read EriCarla was great for sex, so certainly true, but not at all a woman look for my tastes. From first time I saw her on beginning of 2014 at Sharks, between her, Laura / Livia and Isabella, really not same level for natural beauty, heavy make up is not a woman, I mean for look, so never tried for sex. Sex can't be good for me without attraction, and I don't like when not attractive girls touch me in clubs lounge.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2070404]Many of my regulars say they can't work after our room and take quite long time to recover, but I don't hurt them, so they come again to me.[/QUOTE]Heard that dozens of times. Falls under the same category as "you're Dick is so big" and "I like the smell of your after shave".
There's no FKK I know of not allowing public sex. It was common years ago to get a BJ on the sofa, in the lounge, the garden or the cinema before going to the room. Oase had "Strandkörbe" before they had the pool, they were positioned in a way everybody could see public action, BJ and sex.