FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[QUOTE=I Robot]So 3 girls for 30 minutes with champagne = 50 euros. Of course.

Reality is they would have suddenly claimed after the session that I agreed 100 euros for each girl + $$$ for the champagne. My word against theirs. But how many people have been caught in this way? The messe fairs must bring in a whole batch of customers who are there to have their wallets emptied in this way.[/QUOTE]

Never experienced or heard about it. But as a non-regular visitor - beware!

[QUOTE=I Robot]Other new experiences for me included the '100 euro if I want it slow' and the girl who asked outright for a 50 euro tip when we got to the lockers, even though the session lasted less than 30 minutes and we did nothing special.[/QUOTE]

Just ignore. Was it Lilly? That's her own kind of humor. ;-)


[QUOTE=Samurai X]Also, So, what happened to MARINA?? Some say she was witnessed somewhere else working at the entrance, or some says she is in Berlin? Any information would be appreciated. Or, if there is someone like her at PALACE or OASE, it would be super nice. Maybe, this would be wishful thinking for many people [/QUOTE]

Who are you talking about? Blonde, 25 year old Lithuanian Marina from Palace and Atlantis? If yes, try to forget her, she quit the job 12 months ago.

Hessen Bub

Got there about 7pm. Certainly not empty - seemed plenty of people but not crowded - 50-50 between men/women. It steadily got busier throughout the evening.

I saw Vicky when I went in, but she was with some other guy. I saw her over a year ago and had a delicious time so decided to wait.

...and wait.

...and wait.

I kept turning girls down, especially the rather annoying Marcia, and they began to think I was just a voyeur. Vicky was obviously keeping some lucky punter happy.

Thought I'd go for a massage, but masseuse was busy.

Eventually I saw Vicky. She said she had to go for a shower but would be right back.

Back to the waiting...

Sat at a table with Vanessa from Poland and Adriana from Bulgaria (I think). They were speaking German so I thought they were German but found out it was just a language they could both understand. Vanessa has fabulous tits, so I mentally marked her up as one for later.

Vicky came out and we went straight to the zimmer. I'd deliberately decided to go with her first because although I find petite girls very attractive I almost always find it harder to cum with them. I don't know if it's the voluptuous woman/milk maid thing but that's just the way I am.

Vicky looks much prettier than in those pictures. She's really cute. I also think she really likes her job. We were 69ing and something seemed unbelievable so I pushed her arse aside and saw her taking my cock all the way up to my balls. I have a reasonably large cock and no one has ever done that to me, yet alone a tiny little waif of a girl. I nearly came right there!

And so much for my plan to take my time before cuming. 10 mins after entering her I came. 1 minute later we're at it again, and I easily cum again.

I stay the hour and we have a great time. She asks why I didn't want to have anal this time and I say 'we've never had anal, I didn't know you did it. How an earth do you do anal, you're too small'?

Turns out she likes it, so I guess I'll have to save that one for next time.

I go and rest/recuperate. Later I bump into Sophia, the complete opposite to Vicky - tall, busty, and black. She's very attractive indeed so off we go to the zimmer. Waste of time and money - avoid.

Feeling maybe it's time to go. Sophia was a turn off and having a hard time thinking about getting hard again. I decide to give it a while, and sure enough after some rest I see Vanessa and Adriana again. Vanessa is mousey blond quite tall, curvy, and with suck-tastic tits. Adriana is medium height, slim, long dark hair, and cute b cup breasts, with nice nipples. Immediately they say how about a threesome and in a weak moment I say yes.

Very glad I did. They both didn't kiss but they really made an effort and were very sexy. I've nearly always had a good time with 2 girls, when they make an effort it's incredibly erotic. Vanessa's tits were even better to touch than to look at - just perfect. I could have spent a couple of weeks just on her tits. Actually on each tit.

So if you're stuck for something to do over xmas you now know.

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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Never experienced or heard about it. But as a non-regular visitor - beware![/QUOTE]Me neither, thats why I was so surprised about the whole thing. I have always felt relatively safe there, but this made me think. It was almost 6 months since my last visit so I guess they identified me as a newbie and easy target. I hadn't seen them before either. Recounted the incident to another girl later who told me that some of the girls working there are screwed up in the head.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Just ignore. Was it Lilly? That's her own kind of humor. ;-)[/QUOTE]Very good! Indeed it was Lilly. To be fair she wasn't offended by the non-tip and was ok in the room, but it was a good attempt to extort another 50 anyway.

Alexandra - brunnete, short, slim from Rusland. New girl. Didn't like the deep penetration despite my small size! Nice girl but would not repeat.

German girl - brunnette, medium height, spinal tatoo, hangs out w/the other german girls - wish I remembered her name since MUST AVOID. Send I came in her mouth when she blocked my view and just used her hand.

[QUOTE=I Robot]3 girls for 30 minutes with champagne = 50 euros. Of course.

Reality is they would have suddenly claimed after the session that I agreed 100 euros for each girl + $$$ for the champagne. My word against theirs. But how many people have been caught in this way? The messe fairs must bring in a whole batch of customers who are there to have their wallets emptied in this way.[/QUOTE]
I would have agreed, but I would have insisted on first speaking to the front desk to avoid misunderstanding. When they changed their minds I would have still insisted on speaking to the front desk, either to report the trick or maybe with luck to force them to follow through on their offer rather than admit that they were scamming me.

Thanks for all your helpful advice. Got back from a 4 day trip to FRA. Hit Palace twice, World once, and Oase twice. Went to the RLD twice and besides for getting exercise going up and down the stairs, it was a waste of time.

I flew in, took the S8 then the U bahn to Neue Borse. I got in in the evening and was staying at Fleming Hotel, so when it's lit up at night and you go through the hole in the wall, it's very easy to find. Checked in, cleaned up, and went next door. It was a little cold. I found that if you go out the door at the bottom of the Fleming hotel stairway, you can go down the driveway to Palace, saving a little walking distance.

Once in Palace, paid admission, they explained the basic rules, and went to the locker room and cleaned up. Something I learned is to always take two towels. One to dry yourself with, and a dry one to wear after. They didn't give me a tour, and there were some ladies sitting around the bar. I thought the little bar area was the main sitting area, and just behind that was the kino and that was it. I wondered how I was going to spend all night in the area until I saw what was behind the partition.

I was stunned by the overall attractiveness of the women. I thought the looks of the women were almost all a 7+, and that's naked. If the ladies were allowed to use clothing like pushup bras or outfits to hide their flaws like they do everywhere else in the world, they would rate much higher. There were a couple trolls, but the women were beautiful, with East/West Europe, Dominican Republic, Morocco well represented. They had one Thai and one Mongolian, but the Asian selection was lacking. The majority had natural breasts.

I spent a while scoping out the scene, but honestly, it's pretty hard to figure out. I saw a couple girls go in and out of the rooms quick, but couldn't tell if the girls who stayed in longer were giving great service, or if they suckered some guy into staying longer to milk him for euros. Many girls came up to me to ask if I was from and if I wanted to go to the room. I remembered people saying to be cautious about the Germans and Romanians, but that was about more than half the girls! I figured for my first shot, I would go quickly, so if the girl rushed me it wouldn't matter as much, so I just picked the hottest girl, Julia, a Russian. Sort of looked like Paris Hilton, but with a more perfect body. Nice implants, had chinese tattos on her spine that she didn't know the meaning of(I saw others with similar tattoos, I wonder if it's some type of brand). Went to the room she asked if I wanted an hour and to come in her mouth, I said no, quick BBBJ, no kissing, then the cover went on. Multiple position FS, decent effort, then doggie with her using her hand to get me off as soon as possible. Amazing to look at me doing this girl in the mirror, but we were done in less than 20 minutes and that was it. For all my Palace sessions, they were pretty short, because I was scared that if I took my time, the girl would say I went 31 minutes and charge me 50 extra.

I also saw Marisol from Dominican Republic, pretty face with a fantastic slender body with a great tight round ass. Great BJ skills, good kisser, unrushed, multiple positions. Nice session, but not GFE.

Last I saw Cynthia from Bulgaria, real young and skinny, flat chested but cute face, looked middle eastern. Minimal English, no kissing, but enthusiatic BJ. Started riding CG with partial penetration, but when I started licking her nipples, she started getting into it. Some DATY, again, no kissing, but good fucking skills.

I was talking to this Dominican named Maria, sort of looked like Lil Kim, decent body. She was DFKing me, licking my nipples, and even started using a dildo on herself by the pool area, but I wasn't attracted to her so didn't go.

I wouldn't repeat with any of the above girls. I saw quite a few others I wanted to session with, but when I went back the next day they weren't there, about 70% of the girls were the same. Of note, I'm Asian, speak some Spanish and English, no German, and a lot girls wouldn't talk to me. Some told me that Asians aren't thought of as good customers because many speak no English and it's hard to communicate.

I agonized a lot over how much time to spend at Palace/Oase/World and which order to visit them in. Palace is definitely a place where a newbie would be likely to get ripped off, because more of the girls either will upsell you, rush the BBBJ, not kiss, and leave as soon as you've shot. On the other hand, if you didn't know everyone was supposed to give you DFK and BBBJ, you might think you had a great session. I went to Palace first because it was accessible and had an accessible hotel right next door. People said that it doesn't matter where your hotel is as long as you can get there by train, but if you have jet lag, it does help, because you can go in and out of Palace and your hotel, but can't easily go between a hotel by a train station and Palace. Oase and Palace are accessible from Frankfurt by taxi at a reasonable fare, and easily accessible by train, World is not. Of the three places, I'd be surprised if many people would actually be able to sleep well in a kino. Downstairs at World is the only place that you might be able to crash for a while.

I'll post more in the World/Oase threads, but in comparing the three, I would say they all had a lot of hot women(whatever your criteria is for looks/body type, you will find something to your liking). More ethnic variety in Oase and Palace. Oase and Palace are easier to get to than World. World and Palace have a much nicer setting as far as room and comfort(this is in the winter, so none of the outdoor areas were available). Palace is much more likely to have girls that give poor service. For a newbie in Frankfurt that doesn't speak much German or Russian, if you had to pick a single FKK, go to Oase. It's easy to get to, the taxi back to town is affordable if you miss your train, but most importantly, the service is more consistent. Oase was the only place I went to where ALL the girls took their time with the DFK, and had great BJ skills, and didn't upsell up front. If you have time, I would hit them all just for the variety.

Thanks again for all your help!

[QUOTE=Member #3346]Of note, I'm Asian, speak some Spanish and English, no German, and a lot girls wouldn't talk to me. Some told me that Asians aren't thought of as good customers because many speak no English and it's hard to communicate.

For a newbie in Frankfurt that doesn't speak much German or Russian, if you had to pick a single FKK, go to Oase. [/QUOTE]
Its kind of difficult to try to enjoy yourself at this place while at the same time worrying about being taken advantage of.

And while some guys pooh pooh the importance of being able to communicate, it makes a huge difference.

German, Polish and Russian. Those are the key languages to learn.

I personally am into Hungarian women though. Need to find a way to take classes.

Though mostly the women will find a way around communication problems, some of the women do not like to deal with it. This shouldn't be a surprise.

Yes, I agree. Oase is the best deal of the Hessen 3.

#3346,

Thank you for a good report. I agree -- not just Palace but at any FKK, it could be a mine field. I have had a fair share of bad sessions. However, as I learned more, my good session ratio has improved significantly. The following are what I do to best ensure that I will have a good session:

1. Talk to the girl before commiting yourself and get some senses (This works often but not all the time, as some girls change their attitude completely once in the room).
2. Talk to other customers and get their recommendations. At leaset they will tell you their bad experience and you can avoid those girls.
3. Watch the body language/chemistry of the couple after they come out of the room. This could be YMMV, but at least you can tell the bad chemistry.

I would like to hear from other members as well if they have more to add to this.

Two facts about The Palace, that really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, and I am a regular visitor there. It is discussed in several German forums as the Roemerforum and in Lustscout:

1. They raised the entrance fee to 75 EUR! Official reason: The new spa area and the new rooms. That's bullshit! They had a hamam before, and to have enough rooms is basics! And was there a price reduction during renovation time with no steam bath/hamam!? No, there wasn't! I am afraid that other clubs like FKKW and Oase (especially when the outside reconstruction works have finished) will also raise their price to 75 EUR!

2. [b]Guests and girls are confirming, that money has been stolen out of the lockers! [/b] No official statement from The Palace about this. But new cameras have been installed in the locker area, so there must be something about it. Police has been in the house as well.

Hessen Bub

Here is the Palace Blacklist compiled since the end of November, 2006. I took postings on this forum made about girls you'd avoid or not want to see again and created a summary.

I particularly liked Fats comments on "moaning like a moose" and "BBGJ or Bareback Gnaw Job". :-)

Keep 'em posts coming, dudes!

[quote=Zing23]:

[b]Anna[/b]- black hair, large natural Breasts. Claimed greece.

[b]Luisa[/b]- from colombia, dirty blonde hair, sometimes pairs with Lisa

[b]Lisa[/b]- black from dom rep, sometimes pairs with Luisa[/quote]

[quote=Plover 23]:

I also have had a poor experience with [b]Lisa and Louisa[/b] as twosome. I escaped with only E50 each, but I wish I had saved my money and juice for a more deserving couple.[/quote]

[quote=Fats]:

I ended up going with two girls who I think you should think long and hard before taking to a room.

[b]Patricia[/b] from the Dom. Rep. She seemed to be getting more business than most, so I thought she must be doing something right. Once in the room she asked if I'd like to stay for an hour, fuck her in the ass, and come in her mouth. And not in a nice way, in a give me all your money way. She gave me a BBBJ just long enough to get hard enough for a condom and then hopped on top and started [b][i]moaning like a moose[/i][/b]. It was so fake it was almost comical. After a total of at best ten minutes, she starts complaining that I'm taking to long so i just tell her I'm tired and give her 50 Euros. A waste of time and money.

[b]Rebecca[/b] from Germany. Almost an exact repeat from above. Once in the room she says I can fuck her in the ass and cum in her mouth for only 200 Euros like she's doing me some kind of favor. Since it was getting late, I knew she was going to be the last girl of the evening so I tell her I'll cum in her mouth but no anal. She then proceeds to to give a [b][i]BBGJ, a bare back gnaw job[/i][/b]. All teeth, no lips. [/quote]

[quote=Everhard]:

That rings a bell. Is she thin and tatooed? She wanted to debate whether it was value for money to pay 100€ for CIM, as opposed to just 50€ for an evaluation. She might be qualified for the debating team, but not for another session.
[b]Rebecca[/b], 22 year, German, blonde-brown hair
Skill 2
Attitude 2
Looks 4[/quote]

[quote=Fats]:

In the main room, both girls were nice enough but once in the zimmer, they were both all business with no kissing and I can guarantee no repeats from me.[/quote]

[quote=Everhard]:

If there is a serious attempt to do a black list, I would like to add [b](Crazy-) Daisy[/b]. She claims to have worked at Palace for a year, but I can't find a single review here on ISG. Anyway, one might connect with her and have a decent session, but I'd say her performance is totally lacking enthusiasm (like Ines at FKK World).

[b]Daisy[/b], 20something dirt-blonde Romanian
Skill 2
Attitude 2
Looks 4[/quote]

[quote=Alex P. Keaton]:

[b]Daisy[/b] has been at Palace for at least four months; that's how long ago I first saw her there. She is a tall, slender Romanian with long, straight brownish-blonde hair and a decent rack. She usually hangs out with the Romanian clique led by [b]Olympia[/b]. I would rate her looks much higher than a 4, but I agree with the poor performance scores. I went with her the first time I saw her there because it was time for me to leave for the night and I had to pick impetuously, and her performance was perfunctory and unenthusiastic. When she saw me a couple of months later, she remembered me and greeted me, and although she acted as if we had had a great session, she could not have been terribly surprised when I turned her down for a repeat.[/quote]

[quote=Hessen Bub]:

[b]Crazy-Daisy's[/b] serivce ranges from poor to excellent, depending on her mood and on the guy. Since this is not very much acceptable you must decide on your own if you want to take the risk. [b]Olympia[/b] by the way is the same.[/quote]

[quote=Rogers]:

Had a pretty shitty time on my visit.

AVOID the following girls!

[b]Lilly[/b] - German, light brown hair, short, small tits. She stripped on the stage that night. Processed me in and out. Begged me to cum after just a few positions.

Iranian girl - forgot name. Big natural tits and slim. Black curly long hair and tanned. She got me in room and wanted me to suck her tits for way to long. She was obviously trying to extend the time. Gave brief BJ and started using her hand. When sex came, she held the base of my dick because she said I was too big which is fucking bs. I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm both pretty small lenghth and girth. I don't know if I even actually penetrated her. AVOID![/quote]

[quote=Hessen Bub]:

[b]Sina[/b] is her name, she tells she's from Persia.[/quote]

[quote=Rogers]:

German girl - brunnette, medium height, spinal tatoo, hangs out w/the other german girls - wish I remembered her name since MUST AVOID. Send I came in her mouth when she blocked my view and just used her hand.

[b]Clara[/b] - Romanian, small, nice sized tits, gold tan, blond. Great saleswoman. In the room did not deliver though. Would not repeat.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Two facts about The Palace, that really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, and I am a regular visitor there. It is discussed in several German forums as the Roemerforum and in Lustscout:

1. They raised the entrance fee to 75 EUR! Official reason: The new spa area and the new rooms. That's bullshit! They had a hamam before, and to have enough rooms is basics! And was there a price reduction during renovation time with no steam bath/hamam!? No, there wasn't! I am afraid that other clubs like FKKW and Oase (especially when the outside reconstruction works have finished) will also raise their price to 75 EUR!

Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]

Hey,

I heard about the price increase as well. Since there are not enough Top-Acts at Palace to justify a trip there and an extra 10 Euros, that means Palace will be off of my radar for awhile. I do hope that Oase and World will not follow the greedy, bad example that Palace has set. If they do, then I will spend the extra dough to head up the NRW way or visit Atlantik.

World is not bursting with male traffic, so I really cannot see them making their regulars suffer. Who knows what Mauro will do. I would not be surprised if he follows the Palace example, but it will probably hurt his business overall. I bet that Atlantik and a few of the other smaller clubs in and near Frankfurt really start to thrive.

Palace has to be banking on the notion that the tourists will still visit and not care too much about the extra 10 euros. Maybe a good bet since the heavy Messe times are right around the corner. They probably figure that those of us regulars who are living here and who are smarting from the new value added tax increase may boycott the club, but that tourist traffic will make up for the lost revenues. They are probably also hoping that by the time spring rolls around, the regulars who they lost will warm up to the idea of the price increase.

Despite the renovations, the quality of performance at Palace has been so poor of late that a price increase right now is what the Germans would call "sehr unverschämt."
I for one will only visit the club again if one of three things happen:

1) Marina come back.

2) Cindy comes back.

3) They come to their senses and lower the entrance fee back to 65 EUR.

Gents, it starts here. Show Palace (and the other clubs) that a entrance fee increase is unwise. Boycott the place and send them an email to let them know why.

Cheers,

Dedalus, rabble-rouser

[QUOTE=Dedalus]1) Marina come back.

2) Cindy comes back.

3) They come to their senses and lower the entrance fee back to 65 EUR.
[/QUOTE]


1) Will not happen. I talked to her lately.

2) Rumors say, she's working at a club in Zurich, Switzerland.

3) Will not happen, talked to Palace management.

Hessen Bub

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]1) Will not happen. I talked to her lately.

2) Rumors say, she's working at a club in Zurich, Switzerland.

3) Will not happen, talked to Palace management.

Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]

1) A man can dream can't he?

2) Those missed me. Globe or Zeus?

3) Gutsy move on their part. From the rantings and venting that I have read on the RF, they are loosing many regulars. I won't be visiting there anytime soon.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Dedalus]2) Those missed me. Globe or Zeus?[/QUOTE]

Globe. But could also be that she's just been there after leaving Palace and quitting the job.

Hessen Bub

Palace has increased entry fee to 75 Euros, which is extremly bad news of course. I was wondering what the reasonig was behind that move (if any) - besides ripping off customers of course:)

My own take is that Palace wants to change their customer make-up – more foreign business types, who don´t care about 10 € increase, and less young locals (often Turkish or Arab). To put it bluntly – they are trying to keep out certain types of people.

Palace is in the city of Frankfurt, next to the subway, people don’t need a car, and so it has a lot of young local guys. Personally I´ve never had any problems with the Turkish guys, but many people do complain about them. It seems to be an issue the behavior of Turkish guys when they are in a group, out with their buddies etc. as opposed to guys by themselves.

In small-talk some girls in GT and PHG told me, when I asked them if they´d worked in other clubs – “yeah sure, Palace, but there are too many Turks, that´s why I came here”. The first time I heard that, I was stunned, but it seems many of the girls feel that way.

It´s the same thing that happens with normal clubs (discotheques) in Germany all the time – a club becomes popular, more & more people, in the end too many Turkish guys (they tend to go out in all-male groups) so there is an numerical imbalance, girls don´t feel comfortable anymore & stop going there and the club goes south financially. Sad, but true. And please don´t go all pc on me, I´m just describing things, not judging anything.

I think something like that is happening with Palace. Personally I doubt 10 Euros will change things, especially as it pisses off ALL customers, but we´ll see. The Japanese guys in town for a few days will continue to come to Palace.

Felipe