East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Lionmaster]I've been reading ISG for some time, but this is my first report.

I've roamed Pudong yesterday for some BBS, around Beizhong Road it seems everything is closed, not even street lamps in the area after 11pm. In Yinsheng Road near Carrefour Jinqiao store there were some pretty faces in the windows, but nothing that really stood out.

Does anyone know if the shops in Wuzhong Road are still open? I remember there used to be quite a few stunners there. I only ever got HS there, though.

I've never been in on of those legitimate massage parlors. How does this work? Oil or soapy. Does the girl take off her clothes and let you massage her? And how much do I have to expect to pay?

I've been on and off Shanghai for the past few years and it seems the BBS scene has changed completely. If anyone knows any BBS areas that are still doing business I would appreciate to let me know. PM me, I guess that's safer.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Hey Lionmaster,
So you've been reading for sometime, travel to Shanghai for years and now you "report" for your first time... How about contributing before continuing to take from others? This board works because there are those that give their experience for others to learn from and enjoy. If the board was made up of only Lionmasters it would be nothing but questions to benefit themselves.

The words would not be as harsh if you did not have the history and decided not to contribute.

MD40

[QUOTE=Lionmaster]I've been reading ISG for some time, but this is my first report.....
Thanks[/QUOTE]

where's the report?
Ah do you mean street patroling report?
Leave this to "neighbourhood watch" and let us know more about the real things:)

Manhattan was very much in the TV news this week, but no mention moving house. Seems six Filipino ladyboys were running an operation out of Tongren Lu, Drugging Johns, then stripping thier hotel rooms or apartments. One turned the rest in and was released, the rest were sentenced to up to 13 years in a Chinese men's prison. Should be interesting!

fz

MD 40 and Bionicman,

Thanks for the welcome.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]JJB,

Great report! I just want to ask a question.

As you had agreed to 680 RMB for the session, it was obviously an all inclusive package for FS. Why did you feel inclined to give her a nearly 50% tip? It is included in the package to "focus on your satisfaction and work hard on the second shot". A tip is not required, however, 50-100 RMB would have been plenty if you must.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]In places where the payment is made to mamasan or as in this case at the front desk, it is obvious that the girl gets less than 50% of what you pay.

Since the girl was very nice I decided to give her a nice tip. It was not requested, it was not required and she would be still in smiles if I haven't tipped her.

It just made me feel better and 300 RMB is really nothing in comparison of having a good feeling that the girl will be able to buy herself something nice or help her family. For me 300 RMB is a price of a couple of drinks at the bar and for her it is probably a couple days of work.

For me this is not just about mechanical sex and the girls are not some soulless robots. If it makes me feel good to give someone a little bit money why not? I don't think I contributed to the inflation of local prices since this was not negotiated up front and I gave it to her when I was leaving and she was not expecting it. She actually may be extra nice for the next white guy hoping for the same miracle. Obviously she will get disappointed but some of you may be pleasantly surprised.

[QUOTE=Lionmaster]MD 40 and Bionicman,

Thanks for the welcome.[/QUOTE]

Lionmaster, are you really serious? You've been lurking for years without contributing and now you want to play the victim after words to suggest you contribute? You expected a grand parade (after using the board for years) because you wrote a "report" or more accurately requests of others? Seems like your name should be Mousemaster. This is not intended as a flame, but come on, Man Up and give back.

Depends to some extent on the girl. If you click with the girl in Sarcosa, Heting or Merrylin the second shot is available, usually by mouth. And they can be very good. Possibly not the first time you see her though.

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow]Really? I've never gotten a 2nd shot anywhere in Shanghai without paying extra, although I've only ever been to the old Shanghai Hotel, the old B2, and 999.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnjohn Bob]....
It just made me feel better and 300 RMB is really nothing in........ For me 300 RMB is a price of a couple of drinks at the bar and for her it is probably a couple days of work.
.....and I gave it to her when I was leaving and she was not expecting it. She actually may be extra nice for the next white guy hoping for the same miracle. Obviously she will get disappointed but some of you may be pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]
Good strategy, but be prepared to many PM asking for your schedule...so they book soon after you have been somewhere :)

All the BBS that used to be hand job heaven are all gone. Replacing them are a couple of saunas...

Jiyuan 3 has changed its name but is still there look for roman pillars.

One sauna beside that sorry don't remember the name.

Up the street 500 Wuzhong they now have soapy land massage for 680 before 5 or so and then it goes to 730...

Cheers all and happy holidays

[QUOTE=Jadedmd]

And for the record, the owner at Lounge 18 (or Bund 18 as it says on the giant sign in front) is a dick but the women there were cool. The problem is that if the owner doesn't let you hit on the chicks in the venue, it's probably not worth going.[/QUOTE]

Let's say you simply hit on the wrong girl. Tant pis.
If I would be the owner and if I would have laid eyes on this girl myself, I probably would have done the same.

Levitian

[QUOTE=Johnjohn Bob]
For me this is not just about mechanical sex and the girls are not some soulless robots. If it makes me feel good to give someone a little bit money why not? I don't think I contributed to the inflation of local prices since this was not negotiated up front and I gave it to her when I was leaving and she was not expecting it. She actually may be extra nice for the next white guy hoping for the same miracle. Obviously she will get disappointed but some of you may be pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]

Or, she will start expecting big tips from every laowai punter that come along. And, she may start asking for them upfront. And, her service may get worse if she doesn't get them.

IMHO, she probably thinks you are a fool, rather than a nice guy, for giving her such a big tip. I don't say one should never tip, I just think yours was over the top. Do you give a waiter 50% of the bill as a tip in a restaurant.

Just my POV.

OAH

[quote=jadedmd]anyway, i respectfully disagree with wgs on this post. wgs basically concedes my two main points are true.

1. you will not get freebee fun in these places. they are not pickup joints.

"i have met many girls at these places (just for fun, drinknig etc, ***sometimes*** for freebie fun)"

he is a regular and he admits he doesn't usually get laid by the girls you meet in these clubs.[/quote]but i have lost count of the number i have. not bad in 18 months mate.

[quote=jadedmd]2. the girls there are hired guns. they are there because they are paid to entertain you, not because they just want to have fun and possibly get laid.

"it is fair to say that g+ had for a while at least, a group of girls who worked there. kind of as drinking companions, but that is a) pretty common in china (is it sky bar in the new factories that also does this as does the m2, 3, 4 places). but in g+ they hand(ed) out plastic name cards. "[/quote]they aren't there for shagging. if you are not interesed they go away.

[quote=jadedmd]anyway, guys, i prefer freebees (and had remarkable success at getting them in shanghai, but mainly girls i met in shopping malls or on the street). the highlight of my trip was a freebee who said, "f- me, f- me, i am your chinese sex slave, f- me. " i only really use professionals because i like to have threesomes.[/quote]wow, you are a god. all bow down.

[quote=jadedmd]i want to repeat my prior post. if you are looking for freebees or prostitutes don't go to richy, luxe, club g plus and babyface nightclub in shanghai.[/quote]they are in abundance if you want them. just not always required or wanted. hence "sometimes". get it?

[quote=jadedmd]unfortunately, i found that the clubs mentioned above were full of scammers who were paid money to entertain you and not to have sex with you. several of the girls told me as much when i confronted them about it. if you are trying to get a freebee going there is counterproductive.[/quote]obviously you attract them. no one else (and on speaking to other people who go including chinese friends recognise your claims) have ever seen this. sour grapes would be a polite way of putting their response.

[quote=jadedmd]i ask the people who support these clubs a simple question. how often have you actually had sex with a girl you met at one of these clubs?[/quote]see above. lots.

[quote=jadedmd]i guess some people like to hang out in clubs surrounded by girls who are paid to be your friend without you knowing about it.[/quote]the girl on saturday was obviously not paid. she left here at 4pm sunday.

[quote=jadedmd]personally, i prefer a more transparent situation. either she is a prostitute and you know what you're getting (sex for money) or she is a freebee that has sex with you because she's horny and thinks you're cool.[/quote]or you just learn to recognise it. it is pretty simple. the pros are the ones that generally speaking will not take a drink as they like to keep their heads clear for business.

[quote=jadedmd]and for the record, the owner at lounge 18 (or bund 18 as it says on the giant sign in front) is a dick but the women there were cool. the problem is that if the owner doesn't let you hit on the chicks in the venue, it's probably not worth going.[/quote]are but which floor? bund 18 has all kinds of places in. perhaps you were in the furniture store drunk?

by the way. you pay for threesomes?

enjoy christmas,

wgs

And treat them well

I was inspired by the long time lurker who posted for the first time, and I'm sort of in the same boat so I thought I may as well "pay some dues" to fellow mongerers.

Especially after the crackdowns on central Shanghai, the action is moving more and more away from the downtown. I remember when at BBS's around Zhongshan Park you could get good FS for 150-200. Now, you're lucky to get a smile.

Take Line 1 past Shanghai South Station, and the scenery changes dramatically. There are entire villages out there though not too familiar with foreigners, and they seem to be enclaves. Around Jinjiang park station, when you cross the bridge (easy to spot), there's a village of BBS's and they give excellent service. When getting out of the station, take the underpass to the south side and you'll start seeing the shops. Don't pay more than 200 as that's the standard, and enjoy. Speaking at least some Chinese is a must and it's always wise to keep nice relations with the ladies and their mama/papasan's, which I guess goes without saying for that kind of action.

On the other side the station you will see a big "Metro" megamart. Stroll over in that direction and there will be 3 or 4 shops, all offering FS, though the quality of the merch varies considerably. On a sidestreet near Metro, on Pubei lu, you'll find some oil massage places with very happy ending and nice girls who will let you do pretty much anything apart from FS. They're dressed nicely and there's a line up of 8-10 at any time of day. Cost is 150 for almost an hour and they have tiny private rooms and good attitude. |Those of you who have fond memories of Peacock will feel a tinge of nostalgia before agreeing this place may be worth the trip. The girls are all from Hainan so on the smallish side but generally have good attitude and if you repeat with one the service will be much better.

The area itself is full of gems though if you're unfamiliar it may take some wandering. For me personally, the process of exploring is an art of its own, so I don't intend to give specific addresses out on the forum, though I think the mongering game is changing in Shanghai. I've never really been into the whole "TRL" scene though can see why it suits those who are here for a short time and want instant action. As the areas around the downtown get more developed, you can see more action as it's at the stage where it's not too empty (read, 40 yo girls past their prime) and also not too full so that it brings about too much attention (xjh, jing'an). Prices are generally more fair and because they get more leeway (maybe thinner hongbao to their local LE) some of them get quite creative.

So if I'm allowed, I'd like to suggest doing a bit of trailblazing, and going further south. Wait till you hit xinzhuang, though that's a whole other post, for another day.

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I have been by Da Tong in the day and seen the construction. Actually looks quite nice, and I love the fact that the whole thing is below ground (apparently the building was built to be a shopping mall but was never used).

Looks like about 30 to 50 bars, small restaurants, and other small stores will be there. Some are already open (very few, and soft openings I suspect). Some TRL, Julu lu, and Huashan lu owners are setting up their new outfits there.

I have also talked with the owners of Woodstock (friends of mine) and they said they are going to open a nicer version of the bar there and they want to shed the TRL ripoff image. They promised it will still be fun, just less pushy and getting rid of the trouble-making girls, and they will be adding some "new features" to make it more fun. We'll see what that means.

There's another bar in the complex which will be called "Airplane bar" - it will be a theme bar and look like the inside of an airplane (the space itself is very long and very narrow). The owners I have heard are Americans, so hopefully they'll do a good job with it.

All the stores and bars there appear to be spending more on construction and the whole place has a sort of Chinese-Vegas kinda feel to it.

So, it looks like this is going to be a new and improved TRL. Let's hope the good times will be rolling there soon, and that it's more like the good old days of Maoming lu than TRL!

Anyone else heard anything?

-B-


Btw, Da Tong is on Julu lu near Chengdu lu. It's downstairs in the park with the clear bubble thing above it ...there is some kind of Armani type club there already, and it's the huge indoor/outdoor space next to that.

Thanks for very good information. I would put your report in Links to Reports of Distinction, but could not figure it out. I wish we got more reports like this and less BS reports about nothing. Now I know where to find my old Maoming, Julu, TRL girlfriends who now own the bars.