Sao Paulo Reports

I went to Prime Sunday afternoon around 1 pm, good lineup on wassap. Nice to know Murina and Prime are open Sunday with a solid lineup by checking before showing up.

Thanks for the protip guys and the gas station tip. Yup, they sell my brand of whiskey in travel size.

At the corner gas station. Bought a bunch to drink in the Clinicas.

At Prime Karen and Ariella were available. As previous forum posters highly recommended those garotas. I grabbed both for duplo. Got to jump on the good ones quickly. Prime seemed to be packed with five or six guys soon after opening on Sunday. Thanks, Nebulousity for the clinca strategy.

I session with both garotas earlier in the week. So knew them to be outstanding performers.

I wasn't let down. The duo was the best session of the trip.

They did porno-style mind-blowing, toe curling, never-ending deepthroat BJ forever.

Don't get the pricing at prime. The friendly cool older blonde charged me $350 for the hour with both of them. ? A fantastico deal. Karen the blonde and Ariella my coca cream work well together. Both have been referenced on gpgua and here. They sloppy shared the sucking, tongues licking at the same time over the dick. Kissing and tonguing each other. My dick solidly in between both mouths. Shared ice cream cone sucking. Even better, none of the wiping off the dick between slurping. Nope direct sloppy salvia and cum sharing on my dick without stopping for 45 min solid. I had them change positions a few times. By ten minutes into they took over, no instructions needed. They did their own rotating between rimming and deepthroat gagging same time. Took turns pushing each other heads down for deepthroat face f*cking.

Every space in the room, chairs, table, beds, twelve towels, six-bed spreads, the couch, floor, and window sill covered with a sloppy mess.

Haha. Kkkk. Rsrs. Top-level service.

At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.

Scandallo random.

In my mind, I thought scandallo would be similar to Hong Kong in Tijuana for closing hours. Never really closed. I finished a session at 0500 am Sunday morning. We exit the room, whoah, the cashiers are gone, and the hallway lights are turned off. I used the phone light to walk around. The entire lobby was completely dark. No cashiers, no garotas, nada, no dozens of maseros, no half dozen security guys buzzing around. Doors slammed shut. The parking gate pulled down. The place was completely dark. Locked inside. The chica and I started wandering around the lobby using my phone light to eventually find a security guy to let us out. She had her car parked inside and drove off soon as the gates were activated. No goodbyes. Left my ass to find a uber. There ends my Scandallo trip. Thanks, JZelezlznik for the useful report and Alex Heyst.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2723337]Go back to what I called the original post. "Finding Value".[/QUOTE]Actually, I called if "Finding Worth". Same difference.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722822]Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.

BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).

However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.

There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.

I also don't have the time or flexibility to go the SB / Seeking route. I am usually only in the city for a few days at a time so it's not the best ROI for my limited time.

I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:

If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.

1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?

2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?

3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.

4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?

5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.

6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.

It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?

Feel free to DM me if it's more appropriate.[/QUOTE]I just returned from BA and a few other cities, was skiing with family so I cannot answer all.

1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?

Not sure on current mongering spots, as I was with family. Lots of massage flyers everywhere. I did notice some BA providers in Massage Republic quote in pesos, today I saw some at 10,000-15,000 pesos. (10,000 today is about $32). In dollars they quoted $100 ish.

2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?

I have been there 5-6 times, half the sex workers are Brazilian and Uruguayan anyway. I have found Brazilians better providers.

3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.

Bring cash, WU is a backup if you are uncomfortable bringing cash or need more than 10 K and are traveling alone.

You can definitely change back at a price 10%-15% less than you were given (less the peso market change as well). I found in BA use Calle Florida, it totally safe or there is a great spot in Puerto Madero that actually pays about 6 cents more. , it is on Hilton side of the water, on the pedestrian walk next to the water about 4-5 doors down from Central Market. Every decent sized city I went to had street money changers, though they offered close to 10% less than BA. Usually outside of BA there were 3-4 people, seemed to be a Cambio Mafia with price fixing. One good tip is to insist on 1,000 peso notes, they will stick you with 200 and 500 if you let them. Only bring perfect $100 bills, preferably with a blue stripe. Imperfect bills with small imoerfections will either not be accepted or will be offered much less.

4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?

I always stay at either Hilton or Alvear Palace and have never had issues. The Hilton is especially good as the elevators do not require a key to access.

5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.

I would advise.

Never prepay your hotel in dollars. Either reserve now pay later on [URL]Booking.com[/URL] or another OTA or book through a major hotel chains website, only putting up your card as a guarantee. I paid every hotel in Pesos, I think you pay a local tax but the discount is about 50%. AirBnB and VRBO properties only want to be paid via international credit card in foreign currency as the money likely never touches an Argentine bank.

Pay every restaurant in pesos.

For domestic air travel, you can pay Aerolineas Argentinas in pesos but they are more expensive than the more popular "ULCCs" who only sell online. I was able to make a deal with a Calle Florida exchange office to use his local debit card for flights and meet him halfway between the official rate and the blue rate. I wish I had time to figure out transatlantic 1st Class at a 50% discount.

For Uber switch to cash for the trip.

6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.

Financially it is a great time to go, but the BA weather is close to freezing.

People here seems to think that Scandallo is "heaven" or something and thinks it has sooooo many beautiful people. The false / enhanced illusion is coming from the high quality sound of the music, ambient / lighting, good restaurant, the elegant clothings, and their makeup. Take all of that away and once you push everyone of them in to a swimming pool, they will be coming up looking like everyone else you see in the bottom half of the country which is where the majority of them came from. Scandallo is fun but overexagerated like eating that Big Mac and fries for the first time.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2723671]I totally disagree with your assessment. Food court? Please this just shows how much you are exaggerating. I found the Scandallo sushi roll, salmon shasimi, fila apertivo and the grilled Salmon to be very good.[/QUOTE]I also found the food at Scandallo to be very good, at least what I ordered.

I usually order some fritters to snack or the filet mignon when I want a real meal. Their caldo capeletti is also a good option for hot comfort food.

The sushi is high quality, almost similar to Nakka. I don't know which all you can eat Sushi place Vagabundo1 is referring to, but a local Asian girl who is a big foodie took me to this place in Libertade and it was very good:

[URL]http://www.tankarestaurante.com.br/[/URL]

On a final note, you can also use your consumption on tobacco products (cigarettes, cigars or e-cigarettes / vape).

[QUOTE=Tochka;2723697]
At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.
[/QUOTE]You got the "Four hands" special. A few clinicas offer it. Not sure if it's all the time or only on days they advertise it.

[QUOTE]
Scandallo random.

In my mind, I thought scandallo would be similar to Hong Kong in Tijuana for closing hours. Never really closed. I finished a session at 0500 am Sunday morning. We exit the room, whoah, the cashiers are gone, and the hallway lights are turned off. I used the phone light to walk around. The entire lobby was completely dark. No cashiers, no garotas, nada, no dozens of maseros, no half dozen security guys buzzing around. Doors slammed shut. The parking gate pulled down. The place was completely dark. Locked inside. The chica and I started wandering around the lobby using my phone light to eventually find a security guy to let us out. She had her car parked inside and drove off soon as the gates were activated. No goodbyes. Left my ass to find a uber. There ends my Scandallo trip. Thanks, JZelezlznik for the useful report and Alex Heyst.[/QUOTE]Wow. Sems like they forgot about you guys! Like stories of people locked in Walmart because they took a long shit in the bathroom and found the place all shuttered when they came out.

Did you not have to pay for the room or your admission / consumption that night? Or did they find someone to settle your bill?

I had a few FKK sessions that ended when the club was closing. But it was the opposite. The club went from a semi dark environment to. All the lights being on. And I felt blinded!

Just trying to apply some more logic to the pricing strategy. LOL.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]...here my observation:

The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
...[/QUOTE]So what changed? One change is the club has been remodeled. Similar event occurred at La Isla in Medellin, that the cover is increased by 400% and the drink prices have increased significantly. Both places have no shortage of customers, so the price is not likely to come down. BTW, I have been to both places after remodel.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]...However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
...[/QUOTE]Session in La Isla is fixed price. How does a better looking girl make more money? One short answer is she will have more working opportunities at a given night. Her income is proportional to the number of sessions she has.

One possibility in the change of pricing structure, is some girl decided that they can/want to get the same amount of money with less work / sex. And that is fueled by mongers who want exclusive access. Another ISGer reminded me that sharing is cheaper that was the old way he is used to.

So when I take the above into consideration, FewDie's post have some truth to it. I am not saying I agree with everything he said.

If you have been to some of the KTVs in Asia, especially the high end ones. There is a sharing price that a girl will visit different tables/rooms for a fixed amount of time then move on. This is cheaper. If one decides to keep a girl and not allow the girl to be shared with others, then one has to pay a premium, and commits to a minimum number of hours regardless the amount of time you spent there.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]...This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices....[/QUOTE]Although there are girls telling me some locals pay that and I believe it but I won't genialize it. I think people are responding negatively to FewDie's generalization in his posts.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2723359] ... Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me... [/QUOTE]Fair ask, fair question. With all these analogies to food or cars, it's become something of a enigma as to what BMs are really trying to say.

Is it fair to say, you want to find "model/high-end" type women at Scandallo (a place befitting of such beauties), in abundance (meaning wayyyyy less avg. Girls) and at a reasonable price, that don't disappoint/perform well. (I think you mentioned this before). My apologies if I got any or all the above wrong.

Hmmm.... It may appear at a glance that Scandallo may not be your ideal place to find what your looking for and there are no guarantees that paying higher prices translates to performing well. (ie. Lot of starfishes to be found at higher prices, as well as at lower prices).

[B]NOTE: [/B] Very nice Scandallo Truman's Triangle though: [B]1.[/B] Model/high-end girls, [B]2.[/B] In abundance/less avg. Girls and [B]3.[/B]Reasonable price/preform well.

What I did find of interest, in your post, was the dismissal of average looking girls (well dismissal may not be the right word), perhaps more of a brushoff. But, for a guy like me (nice body 1st), that naturally works in my favour, as "average looking" girls with great bodies and a good attitude is right up my ally.

The other thought or point of interest, is that these "average looking" girls provide a vital and necessary service, that is often overlooked. For me at any rate, I see them in an entirely different light.

Things to consider if she's an "Avg. Looking girl":
[LIST] Consider her akin to a fluffer at a porn shoot (...kkkk!)[/LIST][LIST] Great confidence builder, if you lack "whatever", when around Brazilian women[/LIST][LIST] Great practice material for when you step up to the big-stage with those high-end "model" types[/LIST][LIST] Consider working on those negotiating skills[/LIST][LIST] Avg. girls with more attitude and personality then looks, are absolute fun to past the time, if you wish to chill for a while and shot the shit[/LIST][LIST] "Casual chilling" with Avg. girls (naturally with a nice body and a good attitude), while waiting for something better, in my experience, has numerous times, ended up being a fantastic time, in and out of bed.[/LIST][LIST] IMHO I've found them very eager to please, with a more service oriented attitude.[/LIST]
Just something to consider (given you have the time and/or willingness), when you're not quite seeing what you want in a place like Scandallo. But to each their own.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2723639] ... We all have our tastes, and it's all fun. One's individual happiness is what matters, whether it be in fancy Scandallo or a dive in Republica.

There are diamonds to be found at all venues. ... [/QUOTE]My sentiments exactly.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2723900]You got the "Four hands" special. A few clinicas offer it. Not sure if it's all the time or only on days they advertise it.[/QUOTE]The four hands clinica special is usually much less than the double the single girl price. Prime previously advertised On WhatsApp a 300 r four hands deal, which was crazy, considering the 1 hour 1 girl price was 250 r. I think it's now 350 r everyday which is still a deal. Be careful which girls you pick, some girls work better with other girls. Jade with Karen I heard was a good combo, or Jade with any other girl! I have had good Duo success with picking one or both girls who I previously had great sessions and know very well. Though not expect too much interactions between the girls.

Unfortunately this year the Sao Paulo Auto Salon will not take place during the F1 Interlagos week. So, this screenshot story from videos is a great reminder of those days.

I saw this lovely brunette promo model in the event, she was one that gave me her WhatsApp number with no much hesitation, she wasn't my favorite TBH until I saw her pics on her insta. Dam! She was a true bomb! Incredible butt as you can see. Then I proposed her to shoot a few pics in my Pinheiros app where I set a small studio with flashes and white background. She was just incredible, a round peach butt the way I like them. The first shoot it was just sexy bikini lingerie pics. She was very fun an relaxed, enjoyed excersing her beauty, posing and bending over and let me do extreme close ups to her ass, her natural firm ass and her very very well made fake tits. Oh god, my dick ended super hard, of course she noticed it under my pants.

That very night, I proposed her a second shoot this time in a motel, so my proposal would be easy to understand. She agreed and agreed US $300 after having asked 400 dollars. We met in a cafe around 6 pm, we talked for a while and then we headed to a motel. A motel she already knew!! LOL when we walked up the stairs, I saw her great ass in those yoga pants, I was like in heaven, such and incredible bikini babe. She closed the bathroom and dressed with a tiny black bikini, then she showed in the room with that bathrobe, then the shooting started. She finally asked me to leave my camera when I started to oil her body and ass, then everything rolled the way it should be. We ended up in the jacuzzi and then fucking on the carpet. Very strong unorthodox sex, the way I like it.

You can see her lips have like a bubble to the right side, and of course, the tattoo of some sort of plant few inches from her right hip, so it's the same girl the entire footage.

It took time, yes, almost two weeks patient since I met her at the event, and around US $750 for the two sessions for her. More expensive than two session with a Top escort in SP? Maybe, but the experience was simply unforgettable.

I wanted my dick inside that ass. And I know about asses.

If people are just looking for model / high end / elite girls or whatever you want to call them, the numbers will range from zero to about 3 a night there. Better to check online ads and those sites where there are more. Save yourself some time instead of going through everything at Scandallo and might not even see any and leave disappointed.

Following up on my plan to try Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I showed up just before 7 pm on Thursday night (which various girls have said to be the most popular). While walking around the club, I finally saw a girl which triggered my "go" instinct. We had a good conversation, then went up for my first room experience at the club. Overall it was ok. She was hot by my standards (maybe 8. 5) but the experience itself was methodical and clinical mostly despite the good conversation and initial chemistry. We exchanged contact information.

I had a nice chat with a guy from Miami on a business trip (the social highlight of the evening). And then found the girl I sessioned with 3 x last week (the cold, hot one). She was mildly warmer as my Portuguese improved and I decided to take her up the rooms as well because I wanted another go before going home. Again, hot, but methodical and clinical. I actually asked why she was cold, and she said that's just her way while working and she wouldn't be with her boyfriend (when she has one). Respectable choice, albeit unprofessional.

What's the conclusion? Unless you've had a few drinks or the girl is not hot, the hot ones seem to be mediocre experiences. I did not leave particularly satisfied. I suspect the guys who rave about the performance here are either drinking or not going after the hot girls.

Another notable observation is that after coming down around 10:30-11 pm, the club had changed completely. People were no longer outside drinking and smoking, but inside at the party area. There were also way more women, including some very hot (but blonde) ones with smoking bodies. Maybe these are the girls who actually provide good service and are hot? Will come back on a later day to test this theory out.

Encouraged by my good conversation with the first girl, I invited her to my hotel on Friday. This was the best conversation and best sex so far with a Scandallo girl. I decided to book her for the next two days, which turned out to be a big mistake. While we hit up some good restaurants on Saturday, she became progressively more bored (using Instagram more often) and put less effort into sex or conversation. Maybe I'm getting older but it seems Instagram is a plague on a person's personality, either making them utterly bored with normal conversations or care about meaningless crap memes.

It didn't matter that I was interested in her life, trying to understand what she wanted and offering what ideas I had that might help. She was dead bored (20 years old) and I ended up letting her go early on Sunday morning after she decided she didn't like kissing. I also made the rookie mistake of paying her for both days on Sunday morning (before the second day was over). Both the girls I saw at Scandallo, despite being hot, generally failed to put in much effort to the experience. It reminded me of the kids who didn't like being at school, just showing up and getting by with as little effort as possible. Probably the mindset of a lot of escorts.

I ended up scheduling with a girl from a sugar dating site, and she flaked. Then I scheduled a second girl from the same site, and she was completely different from her pictures. Great conversation (the best of any girl) but she was quite average and enthusiasm never makes up for that (for me). Basically the rest of the day was a disaster However, I'm doing a new thing now where I tell them to send me a 5-10 second video where they say Hi to me using my name. I'm hoping this will weed out some of the fake accounts and fake pictures. We'll see. I've tried to do video calls before but these turn into as much of a production to schedule as the date itself to the point where it's not practical.

I have another sugar date scheduled for tomorrow and likely one for Wednesday. If these don't work out, I'll use Scandallo as a backup (or Bomboa, which is now walking distance from my Airbnb). Sampa continues to provide so many options, it's hard not to love it here.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2723572]Barsi posted an analogy saying going to Italy to eat at McDonald. I said that is not what FewDie said. Because of that it is not a fair comparison. If I were going to make the same analogy, I would say going to DOM and wanting to pay McDonald price is a better analogy. Do you agree or not agree? Basically, I questioned what was written, I don't question the writers[/QUOTE]I feel like Jesus H Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.

FewD said he wasn't talking about only Scandallo and SP. He was talking about Brazil as a whole and so was I. He said the locals pay 500 and anything over that is gringo prices. I said you really limit yourself with that kind of self imposed budget.

My comparisons of restaurants in Italy=girls in Brazil. There are many to choose from and all come at different prices. Some start at $ and go to $$ Some guys think it's worth it and some don't. McDonald's=clinicas. Set prices and decent experience but limited and sometimes more than not same old options on the menu. You can spend 500 or so to have a clinica girl come spend the night with you but sometimes you find that these girls are just good for 1 HR worth of fun and not much else. You expand your horizon a bit and you find some girls who are very intelligent, funny and have real goals in their lives that you like spending time with, hell the sex is just a cherry on the top. Point is there are many different options and in the land of GFE and PSE you should definitely explore your options.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTgYOQ8XRdY&ab_channel=SenpaiKai[/URL]

This video of how michelin star chef cut their onions adds another layer to what I'm saying.

There is more attention to detail as little as cutting the onion to enhance your food as a whole and your experience. I would say that would equate to how a girl gives great BBBJ with eye contact and great technique.

There are more faster and easier way to cut the same onion but that could leave with a less enhanced experience like a girl with CBJ or very mechanical lazy technique.

It's still a BJ and gets the job done but it's the details that really makes or breaks it.

I'm not saying paying more gives you a better a experience as I think we all have gone to a high end restaurant and had a sub par experience like they microwaved your food (London has got to be the worst place for fine dining just FYI).

But more often than not you'll check the reviews and see 5 stars after 5 stars glowing reviews and see that they live up to a certain reputation for a reason.

Just like food some of us romanticize the other pleasures of life and the other side of man: women. Some guys just see a hole and any will do. Like a meal is just a daily calorie intake, sex is just another way to get off. Sometimes I like my steaks in a good looking joint in a high rise over looking the city with some nice piano in the background just sizzling. Sometimes I like my girls the same. I like a sense of adventure and a worth while story to tell. Like the one german blonde blue eye garota that was so smitten that she spent a whole week free of charge in rio, cooking and cleaning and taking care of all my needs. unforgettable and priceless.

As someone who has tried pretty much all the big boates, prives and termas in SP and Rio and online girls I can say there is lots of options and you should try as much as you can and see for yourself what's out there.

To each their own but just for the new guys, do what you please and don't limit your fun.

Most of us have already paid a girl 1200 BRL just to session in Scandallo albeit just not directly (400 Entrance, 500 girl fee, 230 Room, 70 Uber ride round trip back home).

God forbid we give them that money directly, it's not like they need it. They're just dumb working girls, everyone of them (NOTE: the writer would like to point out this is sarcasm because some folks are very dense).

That's my piece and I end it there.

Talk amongst yourselves.

FIN.

Great report. Kudos for scoring a Fisha Rosa. More talked about than accomplished. I posted it as a report of distinction.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2724109]Unfortunately this year the Sao Paulo Auto Salon will not take place during the F1 Interlagos week. So, this screenshot story from videos is a great reminder of those days.

I saw this lovely brunette promo model….

I wanted my dick inside that ass. And I know about asses.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tochka;2723697] Snip.

At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.

Snip.[/QUOTE]When you do a dupla, they only add the second girl's fee to the one girl rate, thus 250 for one girl and 350 for two girls.