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[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2431768]I cancelled my trip to visit Palace this weekend based on text messages with one of the beauties who works there sometimes; because of Covid19 she decided not to travel to Germany yet. I think it is only a matter of time before someone gets it in an FKK club but I also think by the end of April or so, it will have blown over so we should be OK by the early summer. The problem is if someone catches it in an FKK club will they admit that to the doctors / health authorities and their families!

I feel sorry for the girls -- most of them rely on FKK to make a living.[/QUOTE]I visited Spain north Barcelona and Zurich on this week end. Funny at Amesia, when I arrived, girls giving drink on bar, not WGs, stayed a bit far from me like if I was leper, but no temperature check and WGs were looking for business, coming close. For first time, I mistook for my choice at Amesia, even a pretty woman natural look with sophisticated face and no plastic nor tattoo, but white and soft skin, but too professional from Aphrodisia. Of course, I don't run to catch it, but I'm surprised to read guys seem more scared by this virus than fucking a prostitute without condom, then in most cases, even she doesn't work in RTC, she probably also does with some others, for her way for business. No reason for me to change my life, maybe more risks speed driving even I try to control and for sure free riding when sometimes I can't see what can happen below, but for adrenaline. On April will be orthodox Easter, very important for Romanians.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2430683]I think in most cases love works with expiry date, it is great at the beginning even sexually, but eventually in most cases, men's nature take over and we want to fuck beautiful girls instead of older wives who is no longer beautiful and not even nice to you etc. I put rare love cases aside. To hide this or give boost to marriage, society put so many support system like religion, movies or mass media of all kind to kind of lead or even brain wash masses to make men stay in marriage, so society works..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2430637]From my real life, love was not a illusion and I was lucky to have not only pretty but exceptional girlfriends, or maybe I made them being like this for me, when after my mother, they showed me what is love, when a woman gives you all she can. Maybe why I love women and have no frustration about sex.[/QUOTE]On the matter of love, I am more in agreement with Sirioja here. Mr Ho is right that as men, we are often sexually attracted to beautiful girls. However, life is not only or even mostly about sex for many / most men. There are emotional aspects and connections that men form with women, and with time these grow deeper. So even if their wives' beauty fade in old age, many men would not have considered cheating on their wives or going to clubs. That said, I might be speaking from inexperience (and also here I am on FKK threads), so take my words with a grain or pinch of salt.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2431568]...However, corona is not as deadly as media is writing, general influenza kill more people every year than corona, but down side is there is no vaccine yet and if you are old or have some disease like diabetes ...[/QUOTE]I agree that covid-19 is not very deadly for young people (see link below), although it is still more deadly than the seasonal flu. One thing that might be good to keep in mind is that in addition to death rate, one needs to consider long term health effects. I think I read somewhere that maybe as high as one in six people develop more severe symptoms (I'm not sure what the statistics is as a function of age), with evidence of varying degrees of pulmonary fibrosis after recovery. So the question is not only of the low mortality rate (at least for people under 50), but also if one might be one of the unlucky ones to have severe symptoms resulting in possibly permanent lung damage.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2431798]It seems the clubs are on the way to being shut down sooner or later. People are already being restricted. Attendance and with that girls count will soon decline sharply. At some point authorities will shut one or more than one, or perhaps all clubs. I wonder how and when the clubs will reopen if such a shutdown happens. Also, what these girls will do if some or many clubs shut down, if they go back to Rom and how many of them will return back to the industry. The shape of the German sex tourist industry in the next year will be interesting to see. I am not sure if things will be the same in a year. I already canceled my April trip with a slight loss on my ticket and have no plans for any DE trips. Thank god for sugar babes.[/QUOTE]It will be a disaster for the FKK industry if the disease is spread in one of the clubs.

I fully expect clubs to be forced to close soon. I'm on the fence regarding a forthcoming trip. I will travel but as of now I doubt I will visit a club for the very reason it would be bad, bad, bad to get something there at this time. However unlikely.

[QUOTE=CuriousExplore;2432011]On the matter of love, I am more in agreement with Sirioja here. Mr Ho is right that as men, we are often sexually attracted to beautiful girls. However, life is not only or even mostly about sex for many / most men. There are emotional aspects and connections that men form with women, and with time these grow deeper. So even if their wives' beauty fade in old age, many men would not have considered cheating on their wives or going to clubs. That said, I might be speaking from inexperience (and also here I am on FKK threads), so take my words with a grain or pinch of salt.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but it is always what we are being taught as human and what we human or if you want we as a man want as a nature. It is interesting topic that has no landing point conclusion beside it really is each their own.

What I do think is that, each man should think what he really want, not what society tells us is the right thing to live in life or feel.

I always felt grateful for women when it comes to relationship, but most values moment always involved sex, even emotional ones, like let say you wake up in the morning and I felt so blessed to be right next to beautiful angel, but it was morning after I had crazy sex with her, then I have morning sex. So I thought to myself if it is just emotional, or it is in part or most part based on sexual and for me sexual part played most important part in relationship and I came to conclusion that for me, I would be sad and at least not satisfied if I live with old woman on my older age or even now. I like fucking young beautiful girls, it make me happy and make me feel alive and it is one of very few things that I do not get bored as every year there is some girls young and beautiful and new to fuck.

Having said that, as grateful as I was and still am to some of the girls I had relationship with, I do not deny the fact that it was so stressful too. Is FKK or escort stressful? No, it is stress relief and make me feel so alive, therefore, I came to my landing conclusion.

But in ideal circumstances and in part being more irrational than rational, which is being emotional, I totally agree with you, but one have to compromise a lot in life to achieve such relationship and I do not want to compromise in my life as I want to live to the fullest while I can as any moment our life could be the last day.

[QUOTE=CuriousExplore;2432014]I agree that covid-19 is not very deadly for young people (see link below), although it is still more deadly than the seasonal flu. One thing that might be good to keep in mind is that in addition to death rate, one needs to consider long term health effects. I think I read somewhere that maybe as high as one in six people develop more severe symptoms (I'm not sure what the statistics is as a function of age), with evidence of varying degrees of pulmonary fibrosis after recovery. So the question is not only of the low mortality rate (at least for people under 50), but also if one might be one of the unlucky ones to have severe symptoms resulting in possibly permanent lung damage.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes this virus has so many unknown, this is true and I also read that there maybe side effects, but common influenza too has side effect. I just do think it is ridiculous how media is writing this, I mean it is getting to the level like 12 people more got contracted in this town today and in this gym etc. I mean what they are doing is spreading fear and causing over reactions.

It is better to be careful than sorry, but it is becoming to the point where human should cross traffic light with tank because we might get hit by car and get shot LOL. All this panic buying of toilet papers around world, even gun bullets in USA etc. Really shows human nature. I do think media should know their power and affect on masses and write more responsibly though.

Mean while, we mongers are stuck with our right hand and imagination in area of escort and FKK LOL. I just got back from mongering trip, so it is easier, but I am staying away from mongering for awhile.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2432036]It will be a disaster for the FKK industry if the disease is spread in one of the clubs.

I fully expect clubs to be forced to close soon. I'm on the fence regarding a forthcoming trip. I will travel but as of now I doubt I will visit a club for the very reason it would be bad, bad, bad to get something there at this time. However unlikely.[/QUOTE]Markets, people, authorities. Act on confidence and fear rather than backward looking facts. Italy is locking down 16 million people and among them thousands of restaurants, bars and clubs etc not because all of them tested positive. All the schools in Japan are shut down for a month. If FKKs are shut down, it will happen because it is part of a broad measure taken in Frankfurt or NRW or elsewhere, or even nationwide in Germany, and not because a specific case has been proven as spreading due to a club.

Just given the pace at which this is spreading and the kinda drastic measures being taken, it will be a huge surprise if FKKs were not shut down at all during this Year. I mean, the first cases in Italy were barely 3 weeks ago, and all of a sudden they have several thousand and again entire regions and 16 million are restricted. All the major European countries already have hundreds of cases. Why would any of these countries be different from Italy?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2431798]It seems the clubs are on the way to being shut down sooner or later. People are already being restricted. Attendance and with that girls count will soon decline sharply. At some point authorities will shut one or more than one, or perhaps all clubs. I wonder how and when the clubs will reopen if such a shutdown happens. Also, what these girls will do if some or many clubs shut down, if they go back to Rom and how many of them will return back to the industry. The shape of the German sex tourist industry in the next year will be interesting to see. I am not sure if things will be the same in a year. I already canceled my April trip with a slight loss on my ticket and have no plans for any DE trips. Thank god for sugar babes.[/QUOTE]In normal times, when there is no Coronavirus threat, what percentage of FKK business and / or revenue in Germany is from tourists vs. Local German passport holders? That should give a good idea of how the FKKs will do in the short as well as longer term, if they keep stopping some of the non-German passport holders.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2432051]I just got back from mongering trip, so it is easier, but I am staying away from mongering for awhile.[/QUOTE]I had already planned long ago, like last year, to take the entire year of 2020 off from mongering. Looks like I picked a good year to take a break!

Seems to me that if the clubs want to stay open, they should have door security do temperature checks on anyone trying to enter. Have a sterile thermometer put into everyone's mouth for a minute or two to see if they have a fever. If the temperature is over 98 degrees Fahrenheit, no entry.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2431798]It seems the clubs are on the way to being shut down sooner or later. People are already being restricted. Attendance and with that girls count will soon decline sharply. At some point authorities will shut one or more than one, or perhaps all clubs. I wonder how and when the clubs will reopen if such a shutdown happens. Also, what these girls will do if some or many clubs shut down, if they go back to Rom and how many of them will return back to the industry. The shape of the German sex tourist industry in the next year will be interesting to see. I am not sure if things will be the same in a year. I already canceled my April trip with a slight loss on my ticket and have no plans for any DE trips. Thank god for sugar babes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2432057]Markets, people, authorities. Act on confidence and fear rather than backward looking facts. Italy is locking down 16 million people and among them thousands of restaurants, bars and clubs etc not because all of them tested positive. All the schools in Japan are shut down for a month. If FKKs are shut down, it will happen because it is part of a broad measure taken in Frankfurt or NRW or elsewhere, or even nationwide in Germany, and not because a specific case has been proven as spreading due to a club.

Just given the pace at which this is spreading and the kinda drastic measures being taken, it will be a huge surprise if FKKs were not shut down at all during this Year. I mean, the first cases in Italy were barely 3 weeks ago, and all of a sudden they have several thousand and again entire regions and 16 million are restricted. All the major European countries already have hundreds of cases. Why would any of these countries be different from Italy?[/QUOTE]Imagine what would have happened if all the countries took the steps they are taking now, back in January or December? Imagine if people travelling from China were not allowed (and it was not too difficult to control at the airports in China or the ports of entry in other countries, as opposed to for China to control within it's own border for people from Wuhan to travel other parts of China) to enter other countries back then? We wouldn't be in today's situation of everything closing or canceling everywhere now, so many people wouldn't have died in Italy and Korea and many countries, many other countries would have started to pickup manufacturing from China and remove that single point of failure, financial markets would have been not this much down; and most importantly for folks on this forum, FKKs wouldn't be on the risk of closing.

I'm curious to learn and understand what is India doing correctly that they have so few cases so far, only 43, with such a huge population (1.366 Billion people, second to China's 1.434 Billion people) and geographically so close to China? Can't find much online information about steps taken by India government, any Indian on this forum care to enlighten us here?

There are several thousand infections in Italy and other W EU countries. Not one case has originated from inside an FKK due to any Asian monger. Countries took travel restriction actions several weeks ago, and yet the virus spread as it did. No one on ISG suggested countries should not take actions at their immigration gates at the airport and other places. One or two ISG members did argue to stop mongers specifically at the FKK gates but as of now, the Asian mongers inside an FKK caused nothing. However, facts don't concern some guys as their agenda has been something else.

And now, clubs are stopping Asians and Italians both. In the next few weeks this won't matter as I suspect the clubs face a high chance of being shut at least for some time.

You know, I will be the last who is accusing anyone. But how can you be so sure?? I frankly don't care, if it is germans, italians or asians or US americans infecting the ladies. But one thing should be clear: FKK ladies are under highest risk of getting corona-infected -- more than any other profession.

This will mostly not be trouble-some for them. Because they are mostly young and female. But this will absolutely certainly pose a high risk for visitors.

And clearly, folks, if I would get infected, there is no way, I would ever admit, that I might have gotten that in an FKK. Seriously, how could I even tell?? Instead I would pretend / assume, that I got it in a mall, the airport, a taxi or the doctor. Right or right?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2432371]... Not one case has originated from inside an FKK due to any Asian monger. .... the Asian mongers inside an FKK caused nothing. .....[/QUOTE]

There is a very easy answer to that: The numbers reported are all confirmed cases. Not just cases. Since India. As well as many african countries. Severely lack testing capabilities, this means there are almost no confirmed cases.

BTW: Did you know that the US only tested about 3000 folks so far??

[QUOTE=Gino02;2432299]I'm curious to learn and understand what is India doing correctly that they have so few cases so far, only 43, with such a huge population (1.366 Billion people, second to China's 1.434 Billion people) and geographically so close to China? Can't find much online information about steps taken by India government, any Indian on this forum care to enlighten us here?[/QUOTE]

Nope: 70 percent of corona-infected don't even develop symptoms. I mean: any symptoms! No coughing. No fever. No nothing.

But in general, you are right. If someone has a fever they should definitely not be allowed to enter a club. You don't need to put the thermometer into the mouth. Grin - you can simply do this via the forehead with an infrared thermometer- it doesn't need to be steril either.

[QUOTE=Travv;2432159]Seems to me that if the clubs want to stay open, they should have door security do temperature checks on anyone trying to enter. Have a sterile thermometer put into everyone's mouth for a minute or two to see if they have a fever. If the temperature is over 98 degrees Fahrenheit, no entry.[/QUOTE]