Manila

[QUOTE=LostWithinDays;1981709]good place to meet some mature girls or is it mostly the younger ladies.
[/QUOTE]'Mature' defined as what? My nan? 50? 32?

[QUOTE=LostWithinDays;1981709]
Should I venture over to cafe Havana? Is there another club which has a few of the older girls.
[/QUOTE]A lot of older ones at G Point and of course LA Cafe. If you're willing to work the dating sites, plenty of girls age 35+ who are usually ignored in favor to those 18-24. Some of the best fucks I've had are those in their late 30's and 40's who are tired of a lonely life and realise that an LTR is unlikely. They decide they might as well enjoy what's left of their good looks before hitting the wall. Keep in mind the Philippines is a conservative country and the stigma of being a dirty woman worries them. Hang ups exist, so the key is to reframe their perception. Be re-assuring that you're discreet, non-judgmental (this is the big one), and that they ought to enjoy life rather than wait around for their pensions and the grim reaper.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1981811]As RK said why not PM me and / or Westie.

Managers tend to ask us questions as we are the most polite of posters.

Am also very overbooked and recently helped another manager with the same problems as I am also very busy and no time to use any apps, walk to the bars, use the web etc.[/QUOTE]Can I have fries with that?

First thanks to previous posters and your PM's. I had 3 nights, the first night was late so that was a right off.

I stayed in Makati and should have used Uber or Grab from the ariport as the metered taxi ended up being a lot more than I should have payed.

During the day, I got on to Tinder and Wechat. There are too many trannies. At least some are upfront. Most of the "girls" that looked really hot are trans. Felt like a 'mirage"! Really wished there was an option on these apps where the trans does not show up all!

During the day. On Tinder, I got a hit with a local non-pro. She was having a celebration with co-workers and said she would be keen on meeting up later. On WeChat I got a hit with an ok girl but after a few messages she was really a masseuse looking for business. I got quite a few other messages and hits but I was playing Mr Fussy.

I wandered over to Havana Cafe around 8 pm, to try the frozen margarita I read about, but it was not that good. There was a surprisingly good looking girl that smiled at me so I went to sit with her. Of all the dozen or so times I have walked past this place, there was either hardly any girls there or if there was, not something I liked. She wanted 5 k for the night and I told her I didn't have 5 k so I went to the money changer nearby, on the way there an old lady chatted me up and on the way back another young very nice girl chatted to me asking me directions (but also asked about where I came from etc.) It must be the Christmas season. The tinder girl was still on the back of my mind, but thought it best to go with the bird in the hand vs the one in the Bush. I took her back to my hotel and was pleased with her service but she did not want to stay till the morning so I let her go. In the meantime, the tinder girl was ready to meet me, but by then it just got too late and I was tired.

I chatted with Tinder girl again but never actually met up after that because of her other family commitments.

On my last night I got a hit on WeChat with what I thought was a SuperHottie. She agreed to meet but was upfront that she had "rates". (this makes her a pro, so you get pics). I think her name was Aimaia or something. We met at Starbucks (near Havana) and she was at hot as she looks.

The downside was her rates were 10 k, but it wasn't the money, but something was not quite right, I don't know if it was the 'raspy' voice or as I walked away from the whole thing, she returned to her friends, obviously all trans. Now, I am an open mind "don't knock it until you try it" sort of a guy, but something just wasn't right. As I was hundreds of meters away, she messaged back, willing to negotiate. I kept walking. I respect her rates, I am not into haggling.

Burgos was not far away, but I was more comfortable hitting EDSA. I ordered a Uber, while waiting a taxi tried posing as my Uber said he was my rider (I could still see my real Uber minutes away). He asked where I wanted to go, I told him EDSA, he laughed, and said it was being raided right now as he had just dropped a customer off. He would take me someplace better, a sister establishment or if I was after top chicks, Ms Universe or Air Force One. I was not born yesterday, I told him I had my heart set on EDSA and would go back to my room instead.

My real Uber showed up and off to EDSA I went. It was a little quiet, less girls and customers than I remember, it was 11 pm and was surprised to still see 3 outstanding spinners each in different clubs, my first choice was ended up with some Ks by the time I recon the whole place, so I went with #2, left EDSA by 11:45 pm, turned out to be super honeymoon GFE and had a great time!!

Damage. Bar = 2400 p (inc 2 drinks). Girl = 3000 p (ST) but paid 4500 p (LT) and Ubered her home in the morning, she was willing to stay longer but I had a flight to catch.

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The downside was her rates were 10 k, but it wasn't the money, but something was not quite right, I don't know if it was the 'raspy' voice or as I walked away from the whole thing, she returned to her friends, obviously all trans.[/QUOTE]Great report PB, which bars at EDSA did you visit? Judging by the photos, I'd call wang. Wise to avoid.

Interesting trip report PB and I think you dodged a bullet with that Wechat girl. I looked at her photos first before I read your report and my ladyboy radar immediately sounded. She just does not look like a girl to me and then what natural born girl captions her photo with, "I am women 100%." LOL. That sounds like a post op to me. But who cares what her real story is? When in doubt, punt.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1982209]Interesting trip report PB and I think you dodged a bullet with that Wechat girl. I looked at her photos first before I read your report and my ladyboy radar immediately sounded. She just does not look like a girl to me and then what natural born girl captions her photo with, "I am women 100%." LOL. That sounds like a post op to me. But who cares? When in doubt, punt.[/QUOTE]Maybe 100% women = post op tranny!. Hahaha. Unlike Thailand / Ochard Towers. You see a hot chick, you can't believe your eyes, you click, you read more, then many of them are pre-op. It's like a mirage!

Might be tempted to take a peek, get a massage and BJ for 500 p or so and see where it leads. 10 k was just over the top.

I wanted to meet her and she looked hot, I even asked her if she was 100% girl and she was very offended. By my use of the app, reading the profiles, many of the real girls are also pissed and fed up on guys asking if they are trans all the time.

The app should really have a third gender option for people seeking alternate genders.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1982197]Great report PB, which bars at EDSA did you visit? Judging by the photos, I'd call wang. Wise to avoid.[/QUOTE]I hade a peek in all of them.

- one immediately on the left of the entrance was ok, I picked up my first Manila girl there with BrownRail.

- then immediately opposite on the left, had 3 from memory, they was all good, one spinner came from there.

- next on the right cowboy theme was ok first time, second time took the same girl out she did a runner after 1 pop.

- turn right immediatly after the entrance, 2 bars at the end, those were the other 2 spinners, ended up with the one on the left, her name was Tan.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1982197]Great report PB, which bars at EDSA did you visit? Judging by the photos, I'd call wang. Wise to avoid.[/QUOTE]I have to concur. I took one look at the photo with the caption, "Look at me! What can you say?" and I said Wang! It is wise to avoid meeting anyone claiming to be 100% woman on WangChat in Manila. Pinays who were born female do not feel the need to declare that they are 100% woman. Also, take a look at the photo where the broad shoulders, narrow hips, and Adam's apple are clearly visible.

[QUOTE=Poopbunny;1982227]

The app should really have a third gender option for people seeking alternate genders.
[/QUOTE]I don't think that would solve the problem, a good percentage of the LBs in Manila seem intent on wilfully deceiving, but to what end I couldn't tell you. What do they think is going to happen if you actually got them in a room, that you suddenly decide a dick is better than a pussy?

I've had one experience in this area last year. Was chatting to a girl on my FB account who in photos looked pretty legit, we communicated for about two weeks before I arrived (but only in passing). We then met for coffee in Poblacion and when "she" walked in I immediately knew it was a dude. As I'd already ordered a coffee we had a very cordial chat during which I mentioned very plainly that the TS option wasn't for me, girls only. Whilst I was severely pissed off by the wasted time, it made no sense to get angry or be in anyway antagonistic given that I'm a stranger in a strange land and need unnecessary hassle like I need a third nipple.

[QUOTE=Poopbunny;1982227]I even asked her if she was 100% girl and she was very offended. By my use of the app, reading the profiles, many of the real girls are also pissed and fed up on guys asking if they are trans all the time.[/QUOTE]I'm in the habit now of always asking the question. The answers are in the answers, although not in the content.

SO my question is always "Are you a ladyboy?

Ladyboy answers include.

Yes.

Why do you ask that?

You offend me!

Why do all men ask that?

Just love me for what I am.

Real women answer:

No.

So any answer to "Are you a ladyboy?" regardless of the content which needs to include any qualification or justification usually indicates a ladyboy.

BTW, this is based on legitimate research on the online communication. Generally when people are lying, they will use many more words than which they usually do or need to.

Would appreciate feedback on how this works for others.

Another example goes like this:

ME: How are you?

Her: I'm good.

ME / Her / Me / Her: more tedious one line banter over a few hours or days or weeks.

Her: Oh, I have a small problem.

Me (starting to smile): Oh?

Her: Yes my mum needs medicines, my baby has no food, my grandma is now in hospital but my allowance from my father hasn't arrived yet. I don't know what to do. I need to pay school tuition tomorrow as well as send money to my cousin who just had a car accident. I really need your help to buy books for my brother as he is hoping to go abroad this year. I want to apply my passport but need requirements. Now my employer tells me no work today. Can you loan me P5,000? I will repay you as soon as I get job, allowance and grandmas inheritance.

ME (Wide smile) : "Block".

P.S.; I admire that she asks and that online westerns can be her source of income, it's just not what I'm seeking online.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1981890]'Mature' defined as what? My nan? 50? 32?

A lot of older ones at G Point and of course LA Cafe. If you're willing to work the dating sites, plenty of girls age 35+ who are usually ignored in favor to those 18-24. Some of the best fucks I've had are those in their late 30's and 40's who are tired of a lonely life and realise that an LTR is unlikely. They decide they might as well enjoy what's left of their good looks before hitting the wall. Keep in mind the Philippines is a conservative country and the stigma of being a dirty woman worries them. Hang ups exist, so the key is to reframe their perception. Be re-assuring that you're discreet, non-judgmental (this is the big one), and that they ought to enjoy life rather than wait around for their pensions and the grim reaper.[/QUOTE]I plan on trying on in at least four decades next trip. I want to see if the 40+ are wilder for lack of attention.

[QUOTE=George03;1982392]I plan on trying on in at least four decades next trip. I want to see if the 40+ are wilder for lack of attention.[/QUOTE]They certainly are eager and hungry and are often starved of both attention and affection.

Was dating a lady last year who told me she was 34. That was fine with me, as I had also knocked about 10 years off my real age.

Dating was fine and there was lots of fun, and good times all round, and then one day, we took a trip together to Vietnam.

And that meant we both got to see each others passports. I noted that the lady ID been dating for 6 months wasnt in fact 34, but was 42. I looked at her, passport page, back to her and she just smiled.

She in turn looked at mine, did the math, made big eyes, smiled, I smiled and we never mentioned our respective ages any more.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1982419]They certainly are eager and hungry and are often starved of both attention and affection.
[/QUOTE]IME this is true but they want psychological attention and tend to be clingy.

The younger ones will love sex, most often be in the state of 'readiness' and can move on.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1982419]
Was dating a lady last year who told me she was 34. That was fine with me, as I had also knocked about 10 years off my real age.
[/QUOTE]Recently I've been upping by ten years my age to 64 "wow you look good for 64, you must really look after yourself Sir", yes thank you.

[QUOTE=George03;1982392]I plan on trying on in at least four decades next trip. I want to see if the 40+ are wilder for lack of attention.[/QUOTE]Usual caveats about sweeping generalisations and each person is an individual with her own hang ups and turn ons. IME the wildest ones are those aged 25 - 35. They've been the ones most confident about expressing their sexual desires, be it filming oozing creampies, role play, BDSM, erotic asphyxiation, breast slapping, clit pinching, double penetration, verbal abuse, whatever. A few have been forthright from the start, but most others it's an evolution. There are many reasons why, from confidence gained through past sexual experience to exposure to porn that normalises that what would have been inconceivable. I think the older ones are a bit more conservative than their younger sisters (or daughters); they certainly weren't exposed to porn at a young age.

I have not come across an older woman who has been sexually dormant for years and who on the first go completely lets loose with reckless abandon full-on freak. It's a two step process. Firstly, get her to adjust her perceptions and expectations; there's no need for her to sit idly by waiting for her dream man to fall from the sky. Once she accepts reality and decides that having a fubu arrangement is OK, then the second step is to make it a comfortable situation where she'll express what she wants. At the start it may be something as vanilla (from our perception) as fucking in the shower, but for her this is significant milestone because she's allowed herself to express a sexual desire. A lot of women have an enormous hang up of being judged, so don't be dismissive or disappointed. It's OK for her to baby step it to establish trust and build her own confidence.

Understand that at the start there may exist a mismatch of expectations. You want a woman who's ready to dial it up to an 11, say be letting you fuck her ass whilst you choke her, but she's at a 2. Trust me, she'll dial it up if you're affirmative and supportive. Remember what feminism teaches us: women exist to please men. Haha. Kidding aside, there is a bit a truth here. If a fubu is comfortable and content, she's eager to please you.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1982845]Understand that at the start there may exist a mismatch of expectations. [/QUOTE]BGs excluded, this could not be more true. I can't count the number of girls (20-25) who've stepped through my door as shy, demure and angelic, and have left (after 2-3 visits) as my own personal porn star.

The very best feeling I get is when a girl who has previously been conservative drops me a whatsapp to say "hey next time we're together can we try <insert deviance here>". Takes patience and consideration, but it really is it's own reward.

Hi all,

I will be heading to Manila next month.

Can someone tell me how far Makati is from EDSA? Also where exactly is EDSA?

I will most probably stay at Makati as I stayed there for a couple of nights the one and only other time I went, and it seemed OK.

Where are good places in Makati to look for girls, both BGs and regular girls?

For BGs, what's the average prices these days?

There was a couple of places I went to last time. One was LA Cafe which I believe is still there, and the other was not far, maybe 5-10 minutes walk. Any idea what this second place I'm thinking of is?

Thanks,

Stevie.