Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=VinDici;2761186]
The infra is in ruins because the dirty orcs are targeting it, in direct violation of the Geneva convention, since these are not military targets and affect civilians primarily.[/QUOTE]The energy infrastructure is a legitimate military target. Why do you think America bombed Serbia's and Iraq's energy infrastructure?

[QUOTE=VinDici;2761186]
Russia WILL lose this war and the way it is going, it seems more and more likely that the actual Federation will break up. What an own goal that will be.[/QUOTE]Man I can't believe some people buy into this horseshit. Russia will win this war, write this down.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2761186]
UA has been clear with their preconditions, RU should accept them, get the fuck out, and deal with the domestic mess they themselves created.[/QUOTE]You live in a fairytale world.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2770835]Fully agree, Russia should have settled with Ukraine. They should have removed all their soldiers and occupying forces, returned Crimea, returned the Ukrainian children they have kidnapped, sent the war criminals for trial.
.[/QUOTE]The ignorance here is staggering! This war did NOT start on Feb 24,2022. It started in 2014 when America helped stage the coup. Zelensky was ready to accept Russian sovereignty over Crimea, and part of the Donbas and neutrality back in March until the you. S and Britain told him not to because they wanted to make Russia bleed. Sure, Russia is bleeding but Ukraine will become a land locked country and a rump state the longer this goes on.

[QUOTE=Jmsuttr;2770731]Supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression, similarly to supporting Taiwan against China's aggressive stance, is more a matter of not wanting our geopolitical adversaries to increase their reach and power. And, while I don't see this as a Republican vs Democrat issue, what I'd say to Tucker and other conservatives is that they should remember the words of their icon, Ronald Reagan, who called the Soviet Union an evil empire. I would assert that today's Russia still has those imperialist urges, and Putin has personally said as much. Ukraine aside, Russia has shown a belligerence that threatens Europe. The fact that Finland and Sweden are turning away from years of neutrality speaks volumes.
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But, getting back to my point about the simplicity of the situation, Ukraine is acting in self defense against Russian aggression. All the theories about how we got here don't change the stark realities. Ukraine can't stop as they see this (rightly, IMO) as an existential battle. Countries can choose to support either side, in greater or lesser degree, but that doesn't change the heart of the matter, which centers on Ukraine, not anyone else.[/QUOTE]The first point is absolutely correct. This isn't just about Russia's military excursion in the Ukraine. If Russian aggression was rewarded, it would send a dangerous message to Putin and even Xi Jinping.

As far as the point that this is an existential battle for the Ukraine, I generally agree. However if the war grinds on through next year, the practical reality is that there might need to be a negotiated resolution which isn't exactly the settlement Ukrainians want. We will understand a lot if there is indeed another attempt at a winter offensive by the Russians. Even if we presume the Ukraine will push back another offensive, we're still left with a irrational Russia. The Ukraine is fighting a destructive war that relies too much on a much larger enemy capitulating and possibly deposing its leader. Perhaps the Russian army is truly running out of resources and support of the Russian people.

Would I like this to end like Czar Nicholas' reign after entering World War I? Hell yeah. Is it worth a long, grinding war? Not sure.

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Man I can't believe some people buy into this horseshit. Russia will win this war, write this down.
[/QUOTE]This war is a crime against humanity, and it is a failure of both sides and believe me, both Russia and Ukraine will be far worse after this war.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2771263]The ignorance here is staggering! This war did NOT start on Feb 24,2022. It started in 2014 when America helped stage the coup. Zelensky was ready to accept Russian sovereignty over Crimea, and part of the Donbas and neutrality back in March until the you. S and Britain told him not to because they wanted to make Russia bleed. Sure, Russia is bleeding but Ukraine will become a land locked country and a rump state the longer this goes on.[/QUOTE]You are 100% right, but when I listened to this video this morning, I was absolutely disgusted with the conduct of the Russians: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_DyC0_K1xI[/URL].

So yeah, Putin has blood on his hands, and he and these Russian pricks are war criminals, but no one better dare tell me that the hands of Boris Johnson, Biden, and Obama are clean. It takes two to tango, and the West is not going to feed me this bullshit about how they were innocent in this war.

There have been no winners in this war. How in the world do you look at this war and say anyone is "winning"? Everyone is losing.

[QUOTE=Hestendk;2771253]The solution is already in progress.

Killing the Russians that are on the Ukrain land and then the rest can Run home.

If a bully came to my home, he would either be killed or captured, I would not suggest he just took little bit of my things and then went away.[/QUOTE]Oh well, you're forgetting that Ukraine isn't Drama's home. Nothing is easier than giving away the lands that don't belong to you.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2771263]The ignorance here is staggering! This war did NOT start on Feb 24,2022. It started in 2014 when America helped stage the coup. Zelensky was ready to accept Russian sovereignty over Crimea, and part of the Donbas and neutrality back in March until the you. S and Britain told him not to because they wanted to make Russia bleed. Sure, Russia is bleeding but Ukraine will become a land locked country and a rump state the longer this goes on.[/QUOTE]At first, I was pretty sure we're dealing with yet another Kremlyn bot based on the same regurgitating fascist propaganda P'utin's puke we've become so familiar with in the recent months on this forum. But no, you seem to be a legit monger, which just confirms that there are no geographical constrains for "useful idiots. " This, by the way, is not an insult, but rather a technical KGB / FSB term that defines people like you. Quite a precise definition, I'd say.

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There have been no winners in this war. How in the world do you look at this war and say anyone is "winning"? Everyone is losing.[/QUOTE]Ziolensky is closing down the Orthodox Church, actually saying it "has no place in the Ukrainian soul"!

So, No one's "winning"?

At Elvis 2008: I was under impression you were capable of exercising a better judgement and not listen to talking head idiots like zeihan.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771301]This war is a crime against humanity, and it is a failure of both sides and believe me, both Russia and Ukraine will be far worse after this war.

You are 100% right, but when I listened to this video this morning, I was absolutely disgusted with the conduct of the Russians: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_DyC0_K1xI[/URL].

So yeah, Putin has blood on his hands, and he and these Russian pricks are war criminals, but no one better dare tell me that the hands of Boris Johnson, Biden, and Obama are clean. It takes two to tango, and the West is not going to feed me this bullshit about how they were innocent in this war.

There have been no winners in this war. How in the world do you look at this war and say anyone is "winning"? Everyone is losing.[/QUOTE]Exactly, but guys like Pauline and XMan can not comprehend this. How exactly are we going to prosecute Putin, unless we are willing to invade Russia absolutely nothing will happen. Unless the people revolt against Putin and if that was going to happen, it would happened months ago. We are stuck with Putin, Pres. Z and Biden. Elvis is correct, there are many to blame for this war besides Putin. The funny thing is they almost nothing to end it, go figure, why win a war? Let it drag on forever.

Both Ukraine and Russia are screwed either way. As I have been saying Ukraine, lose either way, but that is what Ukraine does best beside corruption, they lose.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771301]This war is a crime against humanity, and it is a failure of both sides and believe me, both Russia and Ukraine will be far worse after this war.

You are 100% right, but when I listened to this video this morning, I was absolutely disgusted with the conduct of the Russians: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_DyC0_K1xI[/URL].

So yeah, Putin has blood on his hands, and he and these Russian pricks are war criminals, but no one better dare tell me that the hands of Boris Johnson, Biden, and Obama are clean. It takes two to tango, and the West is not going to feed me this bullshit about how they were innocent in this war.

There have been no winners in this war. How in the world do you look at this war and say anyone is "winning"? Everyone is losing.[/QUOTE]I am by no means condoning the conduct of the Russian military, it is brutal, but hey, war is hell. But the Ukrainians are the same if not worse. The western media doesn't talk about it. Yes, Putin has blood on his hands but I still think the West forced his hand to act. And Biden and Johnson have just as much blood on their hands. Lloyd Austin said months ago that the aim was to make sure Russia is not able to do what it do to Ukraine again. He didn't say anything about Ukraine winning. They want to make Russia bleed. The Ukrainian people are cannon fodder. This is an enormous tragedy for the Ukrainian people and could have easily been avoided.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2771323]Oh well, you're forgetting that Ukraine isn't Drama's home. Nothing is easier than giving away the lands that don't belong to you.

At first, I was pretty sure we're dealing with yet another Kremlyn bot based on the same regurgitating fascist propaganda P'utin's puke we've become so familiar with in the recent months on this forum. But no, you seem to be a legit monger, which just confirms that there are no geographical constrains for "useful idiots. " This, by the way, is not an insult, but rather a technical KGB / FSB term that defines people like you. Quite a precise definition, I'd say.[/QUOTE]Instead of trying to insult me and failing at it, try to debate me in a respectful manner.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2771414]Instead of trying to insult me and failing at it, try to debate me in a respectful manner.[/QUOTE]Debating a P'utin's disciple in a respectful manner would be a hell of a challenge I'm afraid. You're too extreme even for Elvis, and that's quite something, really.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2771413]I am by no means condoning the conduct of the Russian military, it is brutal, but hey, war is hell. But the Ukrainians are the same if not worse. The western media doesn't talk about it. Yes, Putin has blood on his hands but I still think the West forced his hand to act. And Biden and Johnson have just as much blood on their hands. Lloyd Austin said months ago that the aim was to make sure Russia is not able to do what it do to Ukraine again. He didn't say anything about Ukraine winning. They want to make Russia bleed. The Ukrainian people are cannon fodder. This is an enormous tragedy for the Ukrainian people and could have easily been avoided.[/QUOTE]The West did not force Putin to act. Putin saw an opportunity where he thought there was weakness. He is a criminal, stealing stuff is how criminals think. There was no Coup in Ukraine. Yanukovich broke his promises, there were protests, Yanukovich committed illegal acts on the advice of Putin. The military refused his illegal orders and he ran.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2771467]The West did not force Putin to act. Putin saw an opportunity where he thought there was weakness. He is a criminal, stealing stuff is how criminals think. There was no Coup in Ukraine. Yanukovich broke his promises, there were protests, Yanukovich committed illegal acts on the advice of Putin. The military refused his illegal orders and he ran.[/QUOTE]All Elensky had to do was to implement the Minsk accords which he didn't. Did you catch what Angela Merkel said the other day? There was never any seriousness to implement the Minsk accords, they just wanted to buy Ukraine time. What you're seeing now and in the near future will be the death of Ukraine as a state. I blame America and the West, and of course that corrupt puppet Elensky and the Bandera clan surrounding him.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2771413]I am by no means condoning the conduct of the Russian military, it is brutal, but hey, war is hell. But the Ukrainians are the same if not worse. The western media doesn't talk about it. Yes, Putin has blood on his hands but I still think the West forced his hand to act. And Biden and Johnson have just as much blood on their hands. Lloyd Austin said months ago that the aim was to make sure Russia is not able to do what it do to Ukraine again. He didn't say anything about Ukraine winning. They want to make Russia bleed. The Ukrainian people are cannon fodder. This is an enormous tragedy for the Ukrainian people and could have easily been avoided.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you Blood Red.

[QUOTE=Questner;2771381]At Elvis 2008: I was under impression you were capable of exercising a better judgement and not listen to talking head idiots like zeihan.[/QUOTE]That "idiot" actually predicted this war would happen.