Angeles City

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1624620]Well that cut (generally in 45-50% range) equals anything between 2-5 full workdays for non-whoring girls. Add LD comm to that. Even in a perimeter bar, girls can make a quite good deal on just drinks. I actually got the LD computation sheet with me from one of the Perimeter bars (by mistake, they had made some notes for me and used backside) and it was pretty fun reading, top girls making 500-600/ day and upwards. No need to go out if horny guys keep buying those double LDs.[/QUOTE]Couple of comments, firstly the percentages vary from bar to bar. They vary a lot.

Second most girls don't get as many LD's & BF's as you may think (for a variety of factors).

The experienced girls will admit that the only reason they prostitute themselves in AC is that the money is better than their regular job which they left. Bear in mind their earnings are seasonal & don't forget the vast majority of what they do earn goes straight into the greedy hands of 'family' (lazy brothers & fathers).

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1624620]Tipping should be performance based, mediocre service maybe rewarded with trike money. No need to fear the kuripot BS. You are kuripot until your wallet is empty, then you're nothing.[/QUOTE]Nobody disputes this. What has this got to do with the debate regarding are tips necessary or already included in BF's?

The sex workers in bars expect & deserve a decent tip.

AV.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1624660]The sex workers in bars expect & deserve a decent tip.
[/QUOTE]I disagree with the above staement. The girls do not expect a tip unless they are spoiled and thus have a bad attitude. The girls do not deserve a tip unless they earned it and they know when they earned it. The tip in this type of transaction is at the discretion of the customer. These girls act as independent sexual contractors not waitresses. They do not have to serve all bar customers. They have the right of refusal. When an arrangement is worked out between a provider and a customer; it is all inclusive. Sometimes a tip is mentioned beforehand in the negotiations. If it is then it becomes a separate part of the negotiated transaction that goes straight to her. Call the transaction a barfine or an EWR or anything you want. Pay it to the bar before leaving or pay afterward to the girl. It is still the same thing. This has been the state of affairs in AC as long as I have been visiting. So if the customer wishes to give a girl a tip afterwards for whatever reason it is up to him, but he is not obligated to do so unless he agreed to it as part of the negotiation.

Just for the record: I tip. I tip girls that give me good service. I am very generous, probably more generous than most. I do not tip girls that give bad service, bad attitude, or want to leave before the time they agreed to leave. If you feel you must tip no matter what, fine. That is up to you.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1624667]I disagree with the above staement. The girls do not expect a tip unless they are spoiled and thus have a bad attitude. [/QUOTE]I can assure you they all expect to get something in addition to the BF. You do what you want, the girls are generous to those who are generous to them, 'Nuff said.

AV.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1624673]the girls are generous to those who are generous to them.
[/QUOTE]I agree with this. That's why I always like to buy drinks for my girls and show them a good time before boom boom. I am even more generous to girls that I repeat with. I have always thought that it is very important to treat my girls nice. I have found that the return on my kindness is 10 fold. I believe this is why I have so few bad encounters where ever I go. But tipping is up to me. I did not have one bad session during my last swing through Luzon (AC, Subic, and MNL) in April. Most girls got a 300 p tip at the end of the night. A couple of girls got a lot more.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1624660]Couple of comments, firstly the percentages vary from bar to bar. They vary a lot.[/QUOTE]Not really "a lot". Widen the range to 40-55% and you have got most covered, I'd say.

Thru the years (especially when I lived in AC) I have made it a habit to ask about this. I tend to dislike bars that grab a bigger cut than 50%.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1624660] Bear in mind their earnings are seasonal & don't forget the vast majority of what they do earn goes straight into the greedy hands of 'family' (lazy brothers & fathers).[/QUOTE]Bear in mind that you are dealing with people with a 3rd world hunter-gatherer mentality. Easy come, easy go. Why do I need to take the BG's spending pattern into account when I asses her tip? I will do that purely on performance.

Never had a runner in AC (but some lousy shags.. then again some of the best ever).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1624667]I disagree with the above staement. The girls do not expect a tip unless they are spoiled and thus have a bad attitude. The girls do not deserve a tip unless they earned it and they know when they earned it. The tip in this type of transaction is at the discretion of the customer. [/QUOTE]Spot on!

Only the spoiled chicks demand / expect tips.

I tip sometimes when I feel the girl is deserving of it, but it's entirely up to me. I've also had no problems with revisits from those I didn't tip.

Tipping has nothing to do with morality and right vs. Wrong, like others try to make it out to be. A smart monger never feels sorry for the girls, he just enjoys the ride and pays as he goes.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1624706]Tipping has nothing to do with morality and right vs. Wrong, like others try to make it out to be. A smart monger never feels sorry for the girls, he just enjoys the ride and pays as he goes.[/QUOTE]The never-ending debate. So once again, I have never bought a lady drink and I have never given a tip (besides maybe a couple of pesos for the drink I bought for myself). I have never been asked for a tip. I have never had a runner. I get great service and girls call me trying to hook up again. Does anyone have any idea how this can be explained?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1624719]The never-ending debate. So once again, I have never bought a lady drink and I have never given a tip (besides maybe a couple of pesos for the drink I bought for myself). I have never been asked for a tip. I have never had a runner. I get great service and girls call me trying to hook up again. Does anyone have any idea how this can be explained?[/QUOTE]This conversation is spinnibg off into tangents. I'll drop out here.

Regards.

AV.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1624719]The never-ending debate. So once again, I have never bought a lady drink and I have never given a tip (besides maybe a couple of pesos for the drink I bought for myself). I have never been asked for a tip. I have never had a runner. I get great service and girls call me trying to hook up again. Does anyone have any idea how this can be explained?[/QUOTE]Obviously it is only the most beautiful, best quality girls who invariably are privileged enough to enjoy being encountered by yourself. Any other possible explanation defies reality. Yawn.

[QUOTE=PlayHo;1623951]unlike the scene in Thailand, does bar fine In AC covers everything?[/QUOTE]In the old days, the answer was yes for all bars.

But things are changing due to the raids.

Most bars should still be all inclusive (where the barfine covers everything).

But in Insomnia, if you get the 3000 peso cultural dancer, you pay 1500 to the bar for a bottle of merlot, and pay 1500 tip to the girl in the hotel room. The "head waitress" in all bars should give you all the details.

Now, most places don't call it barfines. The mamasans are called head waitresses. In Atlantis, you give the entire barfine directly to the girl before she leaves, where no bar employee ever receives the money from the customer.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1624706]Spot on!

Only the spoiled chicks demand / expect tips.

I tip sometimes when I feel the girl is deserving of it, but it's entirely up to me. I've also had no problems with revisits from those I didn't tip.

Tipping has nothing to do with morality and right vs. Wrong, like others try to make it out to be. A smart monger never feels sorry for the girls, he just enjoys the ride and pays as he goes.[/QUOTE]

Demanding tips is absurd and those that do should be denied. BUT, an expectation is another thing, that's a human desire, a hope, and granted sometimes unwarranted. Do what's right depending on the service rendered.

Treat people as you yourself would want to be treated. Many service oriented employees rely on tips, sometimes they themselves have to tip their higher ups to be employed. So the customs of the country dictate the morality and in the PI they rely on tips from foreigners, locals can't tip because most are too poor.

I don't agree w/ your views on smart mongers either, they come in all shapes, sizes and dispositions. I don't fault a guy who wants to save money by being frugal and careful but some guys here go well beyond frugal into some warped reality. Their presence in the PI makes us look bad in my view. They make the BG's less friendly, and they disrespect the locals by being so stingy. This is my opinion. To each his own. Some guys make it easier for other mongers to operate and then some make it harder w/ their cold blooded greed / style. This is my opinion. I do appreciate yours but differ slightly.











[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1624719]The never-ending debate. So once again, I have never bought a lady drink and I have never given a tip (besides maybe a couple of pesos for the drink I bought for myself). I have never been asked for a tip. I have never had a runner. I get great service and girls call me trying to hook up again. Does anyone have any idea how this can be explained?[/QUOTE]You never bought a lady drink? Is this something to brag about?

You might tip a couple of pesos (less than 5 cents) but only on drinks you buy for yourself.

Never been asked for a tip? What BG or FL after seeing you up close is going to ask you for a tip LOL!

As for great service and trying to hook up w / you for more, well, good for you. My guess is they're desperate for some business and your standards are low.

That's my explanation for your obsession w / money and how to hoard it. Dig?

I guess when you're entertaining a freelancer in your room they have to run to the faucet for a sip of water now and then.

Mr. E, Everyone else makes it possible for you to operate in the monger world. Why? Because we support the bars in varying degrees, we are generous w / service people in restaurants, hotels, taxis, and most of all the ladies. Whether they are BGs, FL's or Massage Parlor girls, they have a smile for all of us even you, until they get to know you that is.

As usual, this is all you have to offer here as well, nothing.

[QUOTE=Socker;1624826]I don't agree w/ your views on smart mongers either, they come in all shapes, sizes and dispositions. I don't fault a guy who wants to save money by being frugal and careful but some guys here go well beyond frugal into some warped reality. Their presence in the PI makes us look bad in my view. They make the BG's less friendly, and they disrespect the locals by being so stingy.[/QUOTE]Our stellar reputation as johns looking for hookers is being ruined because of these cheapskate mfs. When I am in PI next month I will be sure to respect the locals by giving out more money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1624861]Our stellar reputation as johns looking for hookers is being ruined because of these cheapskate mfs. When I am in PI next month I will be sure to respect the locals by giving out more money.[/QUOTE]You funny! They love you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1624719]The never-ending debate. So once again, I have never bought a lady drink and I have never given a tip (besides maybe a couple of pesos for the drink I bought for myself). I have never been asked for a tip. I have never had a runner. I get great service and girls call me trying to hook up again. Does anyone have any idea how this can be explained?[/QUOTE]To Mr Enternational.

Oh really I always think you are a high roller big spender yet you are a selfish cheapskate not even a 200 peso tip for a poor girl with GFE service and the girl will call you back for more, I want to know how you do it like to learn from the legend.



Fast eddie 48.

For the record, in case any new lurkers are misinformed by these bogus posts.

Manila.

Edsa: Bar Fine + Pay the girl.

Burgos: Bar Fine + Pay the girl.

Quezon City: Bar Fine + Pay the girl.

Ermita / Malate: Bar Fine + Pay the girl.

Cebu.

All bars: Bar Fine + Pay the girl.

Angeles.

All bars: Bar Fine + Pay the girl.

Although the word 'tip' is quaintly used in AC I can assure any newbie visitors it is expected that you pay the girl something at the conclusion of her stay.

Angeles tends to have a higher percentage of 'fresh of the farm' new girls who, through embarrassment or inexperience may not argue, or indeed even ask for a payment at the end of her stay, I can assure newbies it is expected. Not giving the girl a dime after spending all night with you is the worst kind of insult.

Most of these women are single mothers. They have to PAY a baby sitter for the 12 hours of her shift (eg. 7 pm - 7 am) hence not paying her a dime is costing her money, not making money. Next time one of these girls say's they have to go, don't take it as her running, she has to get back to her kid & pay the baby sitter.

I have way to many regulars in the bars of AC. I can tell you for sure that generally their percentage of the BF is nowhere near the 50% alleged here by others.

The sex here is very cheap already by your home country's standards. You will find filipino's are generous by nature, if you're good to them they will be good to you.

No need to be a jerk & walk around trying to get it for free. They will repay decent guys in spades. Jerks just give all foreigners a bad name. Is it any wonder that the free spending East Asian guys have it so much their way?

AV.