Kyiv

No more poor and needy girls in Ukraine?

[QUOTE=SukaShalava;1831807]Reading the posts here, for let's say the last 3 years, it reminds me of what you'd read on ISG about Prague back in the 2003 to 2006 years, that the Czech glory days are long gone.

Nobody was trying to say then that there weren't still hot ladies in Prague, and nobody is trying to say that about Kiev now either. But the relative ease for a tourist to hook up with 8's, 9's and 10's, which is a big chunk of what the membership posts about, is now really only within reach if you're an oligarch or mafia. How many oligarchs or mafia are posting here on ISG?

If you're in your 40's or 50's, and unless you happen to be Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, or George Clooney, do you honestly think you could just walk into some university English class in Kiev or Kharkov today and the reaction of the ladies would be, 'Oh wow! A western guy, cool! I want him to be my sponsor and go to bed with him because this is something new!

On the other hand, there's another large chunk of members that are more than satisfied to chase 6's and 7's and MILF's, etc. , and that's really what has dominated the boards for a a long time now, as far as positive results. Nothing wrong with that, its just that those ladies don't create much interest for some of us purists who are spoiled by past glories. We keep searching for the diamonds.

Check your maps please, UTC +6.

But if you're just determined to stay west of the Urals, at least explore the south. Rostov, Volgograd, Samara, on and on, these and many other heartland cities have not been westernized by mongers yet, to the point that it's time to give up and move on. They all need to be thoroughly explored, there are friendships to be made, and their economies need our full support. Give until it hurts, mongers! Stop whining, get your visas, step forward and do your duty![/QUOTE]This is a good post.

Many people 40 50 years go Kiev and think the same as you said. Then don't find any girl and look towards pay or agency and discover Ukraine is the kingdom of scammers.

Bingo.

You can't complaint. Ukraine is not for pay, is for meeting normal girl student, spending time. You need 2-3 months.

It's clear this, still people go there for week and then complaint.

Kiev is very difficult but is much better than any other place in Europe for meeting girl.

If you want pay go to FKK or Thai. Why come in Ukraine? The problem is that this army of payers has spoilt everything.

Vega,

Ukraine has not actually transformed over time into a kingdom of scammers. Ukraine has ALWAYS been the scam-center of the universe, I think they fucking invented scams, along with Nigerians. Corruption at all levels and extra-shady business practices are the hallmark of every respectable Ukrainian profession. They learned it from their Russian masters and spread it to every corner as a standard. Not that Russians are amateurs, I warn you again, do NOT fuck with the bear!

Nobody with a real job has 2-3 months to waste chasing some student! The Ukraine economy is fucked! Ukraine did most of their business with Russia, that's all shut down now. A third of the country, plus Crimea, isn't even part of the country anymore. With all that chaos in mind, it should be really simple and even easier than before to score, but nobody here is reporting that. Maybe the truth is that Odessa and Dnipro are a fucking paradise right now, but the mongers who are there now are keeping it a big secret?

Are you sure that the army of payers that ruins everything is really there? At least wait until spring and summer to say that with certainty. Russian provinces are not ruined, but if you don't make the right connections and find the right friends to give you a helping hand with introductions, you will struggle.

I been sat back reading recent reports here of all the doomsday nonsense, wingers and moaners complaining about lack of girls, scammers, all the 8's and 9's long gone, most of you guys haven't got a fucking clue how to go on now have you? Not being breast fed by Dr Skank, uke boy, you know who you are, my old handle on here was Diceman, I'm not back as a regular anymore I been posting for 15 years, but I occasionally read what you guys are posting and its pathetic.

Kyiv has changed, the times have changed, in some cases for the better, yeah, the boats gone, mandarins gone, somebody mentioned mystery tramp, of course she's fucking gone, most of you on here won't even know who she is, or was. But the girls are still there, you need to change your game plan.

OK, I live in Kyiv, I'm a musician, so I have a good game, students aplenty, I'm in my 50's, no fucking problem finding young students in my bed, sometimes they get into bed with there jeans on, shy and reserved, sometimes it takes a few nights before there fully naked in my bed, but given time the rewards always come. You guys are always going to the same old fucking places, arena, Rio, etc etc, played out. Yeah, maybe you should all forget about and move on. As I have stated on here not long ago, there are plenty of agencies available in Kyiv, most of them all hooked up on viber, what's app, line etc, etc, communications are excellent, if I want p+p I simply tell some of the agencies my requirements and they send me photos of what's they have, I choose and the girl comes, always the girl in the photo, and I never pay more than 1200 with taxi included. The kind of girls I go for are, very slim, model face, size 6-8 and I use several agencies and I'm never disappointed.

I have often got the girls private number and have called them direct to have them come again.

Yes there economy is fucked, but that don't mean the top girls have bailed out, they are there you just need to have a game to find them. Having to speak Russian is now not necessary, the girls are plentiful all over the place, shopping malls, on the streets, normal places are where you find good girls, there are little scenes going on all over the city, arty party cafes, hookah bars etc forget fucking shooters, its a waste of time, yeah you have average girls there asking for stupid money.

You guys talk about mongering in Russian places, well we all know a Russian is not like a Ukrainian, totally diff mind set, best of luck with that, knives just as good as it was, its simply changed, its moved on, you guys need to move on. New police on the streets, new uniforms, new cars, all very helpful, embrace it, stop your fucking moaning or cross kyiv off your list, and go somewhere else.

[QUOTE=SukaShalava;1831974]Vega,

Ukraine has not actually transformed over time into a kingdom of scammers. Ukraine has ALWAYS been the scam-center of the universe, I think they fucking invented scams, along with Nigerians. Corruption at all levels and extra-shady business practices are the hallmark of every respectable Ukrainian profession. They learned it from their Russian masters and spread it to every corner as a standard. Not that Russians are amateurs, I warn you again, do NOT fuck with the bear!

Nobody with a real job has 2-3 months to waste chasing some student! The Ukraine economy is fucked! Ukraine did most of their business with Russia, that's all shut down now. A third of the country, plus Crimea, isn't even part of the country anymore. With all that chaos in mind, it should be really simple and even easier than before to score, but nobody here is reporting that. Maybe the truth is that Odessa and Dnipro are a fucking paradise right now, but the mongers who are there now are keeping it a big secret?

Are you sure that the army of payers that ruins everything is really there? At least wait until spring and summer to say that with certainty. Russian provinces are not ruined, but if you don't make the right connections and find the right friends to give you a helping hand with introductions, you will struggle.[/QUOTE]Dear Vega,

Thanks for your information. In my opinion there is big risk with Internet too, let me explain:

I use Mamba, VK, Viber and other tools for my contacts. In the lat time someone is trying to use my yahoo email and I had to change my password several times.

I really don't know which tool and which girl (Is trying to do this.

Maybe we can exchange our experiences in this topic.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SukaShalava;1831974]Vega,

Ukraine has not actually transformed over time into a kingdom of scammers. Ukraine has ALWAYS been the scam-center of the universe, I think they fucking invented scams, along with Nigerians. Corruption at all levels and extra-shady business practices are the hallmark of every respectable Ukrainian profession. They learned it from their Russian masters and spread it to every corner as a standard. Not that Russians are amateurs, I warn you again, do NOT fuck with the bear!

Nobody with a real job has 2-3 months to waste chasing some student! The Ukraine economy is fucked! Ukraine did most of their business with Russia, that's all shut down now. A third of the country, plus Crimea, isn't even part of the country anymore. With all that chaos in mind, it should be really simple and even easier than before to score, but nobody here is reporting that. Maybe the truth is that Odessa and Dnipro are a fucking paradise right now, but the mongers who are there now are keeping it a big secret?

Are you sure that the army of payers that ruins everything is really there? At least wait until spring and summer to say that with certainty. Russian provinces are not ruined, but if you don't make the right connections and find the right friends to give you a helping hand with introductions, you will struggle.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. I went first time 4 years ago, so I don't know the real gold era of Kiev, come back 16 times in the last years, 95% in Kiev, big error, and for long time.

In my opinion thinking "crissi= easy pussy" is the wrong idea any monger can have now. I was in November, and compared to 4 years ago now is so much difficult.

In my opinion compared to Russian girl, use are less lovers of because, less sex addicted, Russian loves cock more, and they will not easily give pussy even if there is big crisis.

I'm sure in Russia it's much easy now to fuck than Kiev, even if the Russian are richer.

In my opinion in village outside Kiev yes it can be easier. In Kiev now is full of east donnas rich mafia. And girl especially the more beautiful simply will try hard to scum any people.

I have impression they are harder with this crisis, and simply want much more than before, iPhone now is asked by even the last village girls.

[QUOTE=How14;1832103]

You guys talk about mongering in Russian places, well we all know a Russian is not like a Ukrainian, totally diff mind set, best of luck with that, knives just as good as it was, its simply changed, its moved on, you guys need to move on. New police on the streets, new uniforms, new cars, all very helpful, embrace it, stop your fucking moaning or cross kyiv off your list, and go somewhere else.[/QUOTE]I second your statement. Russia is a tough place and I would think twice before visiting.

Plenty of opportunity left in Ukraine. Hell, I'm in Chicago, and we have our own mini scene happening because of all the new Ukrainians in town plus the talented Ukrainian handler putting everything together. Girls are coming to my city and don't know what to do with themselves. Babysitting and cleaning houses doesn't really fit well them like their Polish sisters. Always going to be girls in Ukraine that rather come out to suck a dick then lift a finger and do real work.

I have never been to Kiev, but Ccrrency devaluation, economic downturn, thirst for easy money should keep the mongering flying high.

Just a matter of finding out a local and building the trust and enjoy the beauties.

I am too busy at Colombia, can't wait figure it out myself in Kiev.

[QUOTE=How14;1832101]As I have stated on here not long ago, there are plenty of agencies available in Kyiv, most of them all hooked up on viber, what's app, line etc, etc, communications are excellent, if I want p+p I simply tell some of the agencies my requirements and they send me photos of what's they have, I choose and the girl comes, always the girl in the photo, and I never pay more than 1200 with taxi included. The kind of girls I go for are, very slim, model face, size 6-8 and I use several agencies and I'm never disappointed.[/QUOTE]As usual, another post with 'it's easy fools', but no links, no contacts, nothing to help. The only reliable looking agency is GIA and they are fucking expensive.

Why not help people out and show us some of these agencies?

[QUOTE=CockMushroom;1832396]As usual, another post with 'it's easy fools', but no links, no contacts, nothing to help. The only reliable looking agency is GIA and they are fucking expensive.

Why not help people out and show us some of these agencies?[/QUOTE]Yes I see you been getting frustrated with not getting much help on here, so why don't you go back through the forum and put some hours in? All the info is there, it just needs a little graft and all will be revealed. Seems you need breastfeeding.

Finally, one more man has realized of that scam. There is no miracle method, just search, search, search, a lot of time and a lot of "interviews". And the first rule is: never waste own money. Following this rule, men are never wrong, even if they don't ejaculate!

[QUOTE=CockMushroom;1832396]As usual, another post with 'it's easy fools', but no links, no contacts, nothing to help. The only reliable looking agency is GIA and they are fucking expensive.

Why not help people out and show us some of these agencies?[/QUOTE]

Some of you guys underestimate the greediness of Ukrainian women. No matter how bad you think the economy is, how expensive prices become in the stores or how much more the Ukrainian currency devalues. Girls will just quote prices in dollars and euros. Sure there are still girls to be had in salons near the center for 1500 uah but the quality is long gone. I was in Kiev a few weeks ago & visited 3 different salons around the center, didn't see any girls even worth that price. Yes there are still girls to be found at Sky Bar & Budda Bar but they will quote $300-$500. I found one 19 yr old gorgeous girl at sky bar. She was asking $500, I countered with $200 & eventually offered $300 for 3 hours but she stuck to her original offer of $500 for 2 hours. Same thing at the-Lux. I've never had any luck on Mamba, seems like a giant waste of time. Usually I try to import girls from other cities & pay for their tickets to Kiev. Unfortunately this trip I had a bad experience with a girl arriving from Kharkov. Another cam girl, so there were no surprises with her looks but when she arrived she appeared to be on some sort of drugs.

[QUOTE=Riina;1832259]I second your statement. Russia is a tough place and I would think twice before visiting.

Plenty of opportunity left in Ukraine. Hell, I'm in Chicago, and we have our own mini scene happening because of all the new Ukrainians in town plus the talented Ukrainian handler putting everything together. Girls are coming to my city and don't know what to do with themselves. Babysitting and cleaning houses doesn't really fit well them like their Polish sisters. Always going to be girls in Ukraine that rather come out to suck a dick then lift a finger and do real work.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1831347]"knock yourself out eating prussian sausages in Koenigsberg. ".

So you don't recommend Kaliningrad. I agree. I don't think there is a scene in Kaliningrad.[/QUOTE]I am always on the lookout for the next mongering destinations or as Plan be. Going back about 5 or 6 years ago I posted here requesting info on Kaliningrad as another mongering possibility for hooking up with Slavic White Girls the nearest to UA girls and at a destination close to UA or similar in Eastern Europe. At the time I only got one reply (Opinions) along the same lines above.

Had other replies from (Guardian Mongers) telling me to go here & there, ranging from FKK Clubs in Germany (no UA or Russian Girls and its a different scene altogether), or to head to one of the Muslim Asian Republics of the FSU with names ending with " Stan " .

As I am a sucker for Research & Search I started searching Kaliningrad and this confirms there is plenty of action to be had there both P4P and the freebie scene. Well if there is a scene in those Muslim Asian Republics of the FSU, and I am sure there is reading here on ISG, then there is bound to be a scene in Kalinigrad with Cheaper Vodka than in Moscow and the great majority of the population being White Russians.

If you read the thread on Kaliningrad on ISG you will find there was plenty of P4 P there and the Freebie scene according to one poster was even better than what was the scene like in Kiev in 2009 . Info and data seems still valid. .

Checking Badoo & Mamba, Kaliningrad it shows plenty of talent there.

Even on a Non Mongering site it confirms the possibilities LOL even for a Loser playing the field on the Home Front.

According to Larry on Kaliningrad "The downtown area is a girl-watcher's gold mine. Everywhere you look is an overabundance of young, breathtaking, fashionable woman. If you are an American loser who can't get laid in your home country (speaking from experience of course ha ha! Get your ass here as quickly as possible.

"All the women speak English. It's their only hope," a German man I met in an elevator said with a grin. "All the men do is drink and beat them. ".

[URL]http://www.whereislarry.com/kaliningrad.htm[/URL]

Reasons for going there " Why tourists should go to Kaliningrad:

You'll have it all to yourself, and the place is rather interesting.

You can always tell people, even Russians, "I've been to Kaliningrad," and watch the look on their face.

It's a great place to find a wife.

[QUOTE=How14;1832527]Yes I see you been getting frustrated with not getting much help on here, so why don't you go back through the forum and put some hours in? All the info is there, it just needs a little graft and all will be revealed. Seems you need breastfeeding.[/QUOTE]Searched all your posts in this thread and found nothing. Presuming that you're another one of those 'Easy to get chicks for 500 UAH' people who doesn't have any substance to back it up.