The Moral High Ground. I don't't care about Organised Crime & FKK / Sauna Clubs
[b]Continued from Magnum Saunaclub Thread[/b]
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1407048]Kommodore, can you please enlighten me and others about the gangs who control 75-90% of the girls?[/QUOTE]This is not what I said. I said that 75% of all the women (90% in the case of Romanian / Bulgarian women) in all the clubs are either run by gangs or are paying protection to some group or individual.
All the main organised crime organisations in Germany are involved in prostitution. Hells Angels (and other Biker Gangs), Romanian Criminal Syndicates, Russian Maffia, Albanian Gangs etc etc. Why not? It is a very, very profitable business and why should Germany be different to any other country in Western Europe? Some of these gangs are actual investors in German FKK / Sauna Clubs and brothels but by in large they are content to organise women to work in these establishments. As for the individuals they can range from Romanian / Bulgarian "boyfriends" who travel with their girlfriend and maybe her sister or cousin, to managers who organise work for a number of women. The women are not necessarily forced into the business but they are organised by groups and individuals. As I said earlier (in a previous post) a club like GoldenTime may have a higher proportion of independent girls than clubs like Acapulco or World. But nevertheless there is definitely a gang presence in GT which partially influences the door policy. Without question some girls in this business are forced to work others may just pay a percentage of their earnings to a manager or perhaps just pay a sum for "protection". If you want to believe what you are told by the girls working in the clubs that is up to you but the reality is very different to what the occasional visitor to the FKK or Sauna Club is told. In general few Romanian or Bulgarian girls are in Germany alone and not influenced by at least a single individual or gang. There was an interesting discussion about this topic in the German FKK Lounge Area back in December 2012 & January 2013 which is in line with what I am saying here. Worth checking out. Some of the posts should be in the ROD Thread. Three examples of girls of my aquaintance who I got to know in the FKK Clubs of Hessen & NRW in the last 18 months. One girl (and her friends) has worked for a Romanian Gang in four different European Countries in the past 2 years. From Spain to Germany and 2 other European countries hundreds of kilometers from both Germany and Spain. Another girl is controlled by a Biker Organisation and a third was brought to Germany by her Romanian Cousins Boyfriend who receive a percentage of her income. The organised nature of the prostitution business in Romania and the involvement of organised criminal gangs in this business has made it necessary for the Romania Government to launch a programme of education aimed at girls in High School warning them about the risk of involvement with gangs, travel to Northern Europe and prostitution. Look I don't tell this information to shock or frighten anyone. These facts don't stop me visiting the clubs. Prostitution has always been a business in which organised crime has been involved. This has not changed. It won't stop me visiting the clubs. But please don't believe all these stories about girls saving money to study in university in Bucharest or to pay for Momma's heart operation. Give me a break.
Look my point is this... How can anyone sensibly refuse on moral grounds to go to GoldenTime because of their refusal to allow entrance to Blacks, Arabs, Turks and North Africans when the whole f*cking business (all over Germany) has huge involvement by organised crime. Makes no sense. Look we may haggle about the percentage involvement but the thrust of my argument is based on fact. Know the facts and not what some Romanian Ho tells you after poist-coital bliss!
Continued from the Magnum Thread
[QUOTE=Simex; 1407058]And I find the numbers given below hard to believe too. Do you have anything to back this up?
90% of Romanian girls?
Of all the 10-12 Romanian girls at GT, I know 5 or 6 are independent to the point where:
They work when they like
They move to clubs when they like.
They ask me which clubs are good / bad
They fly into Germany when they like.
They rent their own apartments in and around the area.
They have their own cars.
They are open to seeing me and others outside the clubs.
They openly tell me "some" girls are controlled by pimps. About 1 in 5 and that's club specific (higher at Aca and Oase)
[B]when in reality probably 75% of all the women (90% in the case of Romanian / Bulgarian women) in all the clubs are either run by gangs or are paying protection to some group or individual.
[/B][/QUOTE]Wow, see'mon Simex, you have been around since long enough to know the truth, at least I thought it thinking back to the fact that 3/4 years ago you were already roaming around in NRW!
Do you really and seriously think that the list of facts you wrote down proves that a girl is totally free?
Man, these girls have budgets and targets to meet. That's all. Of course they can sometimes choose the club, they rent their apartments (it would be quite foolish for a pimp to rent the apartment or buy the car in his own name, much better if everything stays on the name of the girl otherwise where would the money the pimp uses for buying such goods come, if anyone asks him about? Ever heard of tax and criminal law?).
But I always find amusing when someone who has been around for so long still buys what the girls tell him. Man, the girls usually tend to tell the customer what the customers likes to hear.
Man, in GT by the own words of many of the historical german workers, around 80 percent of the girls are controlled, in a way or in an other.
So think about places like ACA, Magnum, Oase or World. With my buddy we had a funny talk in Palace over this issue with one very well known provider I know since long. She admitted herself to be pimped and we made a game, of the first 10 girls passing by she told us who was for sure pimped and who she didn't know. The count was 7 out of 10 and these were the girls she was sure about.
Over Christmas, in Sharks a new girls talked openly about it and she told us: I do not htink you can set foot here inside if you are Romanian without having a pimp. But she also said us she was fine with that, with 50 percent of what she earned for herself she was proportionally making a lot of money considering the average salary in Romania, so she didn't have anything to blame about it. She then obviously confirmed that all girls usually swear to the clients that they are free, they have their own cars, they rent their own apartments and live with other girls, keep all the money for themself, etc, etc. Of course, bla, bla, bla for these who need to hear that for their coscience, that's all!
What Kommodore wrote is the simple reality, accept it or not.
