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[QUOTE=Socker;1625420]That's cc territory, no 200 to 700 p is my mo.[/QUOTE]Merely p700?!? Wow, that's so CC. ;)

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1625407]Right! If she starts jumping for joy it'll signal to you that you overpaid, i.e. you mistakenly gave her a p1000 note instead of the intended p100 note.[/QUOTE]They give us joy, no harm in giving poor people a bit of joy too. For me, Pesos 200 to 500 tip if she was a decent enough girl.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1625435]Merely p700?!? Wow, that's so CC. ;)[/QUOTE]That's what you want right?

I concede, you win!

I have been silent for a while now, but I really don't understand these Cheap Charlie remarks. Well lets get to IMHO the heart of the matter. Who causes more harm in the Monger Community? Is it the guys who say " Hey I'm on vacation. And I don't care what I spend "? I don't see these fellows getting degrading labels. It is a free world when out of sex prison so men can do as they please. That is great.

Maybe if someone can come up with a label for the top dollar guys I will get off my soapbox.

If you are a big spender or a Budget Monger I wish you all the luck in the world.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1625435]Merely p700?!? Wow, that's so CC. ;)[/QUOTE]Where's Calipro when you need him. ? LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1625492]Maybe if someone can come up with a label for the top dollar guys I will get off my soapbox.[/QUOTE]Maybe not "degrading" . . . . BUT. . . . those are the 1 week / 2 week millionaires.

They can be seen here in AC all the time throwing around their money. By some definition, that includes the "K" group that you see here on the weekends just for a few days.

Munch.

this is really my opinion, and that's all.

[quote=socker;1625234]this has been the ac practice since i started going in 2009, tipping is optional. some guys don't believe in it for one reason or the other but are these same guys obsessed w / saving money.

so obsessed that never once (after 20/30 trips to the pi) did they buy a bg a drink? that's quite a feat for your average cheap charlie, no that behavior is beyond being a cheap charlie.

this rare creature will go into a bar and nurse one coca cola for 3+ hours watching the show, taking up space, trying to arrange a sneak out, and finally leave only to do it again in the next bar.

is this a respectful way to operate?? to one guy here it is.[/quote]the term cheap charlie comes from the working girls and it's meant to be a cute slight, a polite dig at the monger. it's a valid label and it's not something to be ashamed of, it's just another way to monger, but if you take it further you damage the scene. this is my opinion. sure the big spenders also damage the scene but in a different way, they don't create ill will except maybe w / their peer mongers.

the ac's of the world will always be filled w / 2 types of mongers, local expats who go through several women a month and tourist who go through 10 or 20 a year. of course the locals can't tip the same way a tourist is going to tip because they're going through hundreds a year. nothing will ever change w / these two groups, and both groups usually know how to make adjustments in the marketplace.

it's the cheap charlies that cause stress on the service (no lt) and stupid tourist that cause problems w / inflating cost. also inflating cost are the growing numbers of mongers and technology where the pinays can instantly find out how much their peers in other countries are making and they want the same money. there are a lot of moving parts that effect prices, it's not just 2 week millionaires. the pressure from le is also probably damaging the supply side of the equation causing prices to rise and quality to recede.

if i were a local i would be tipping less, but as a tourist i'm in town for 10 days and extremely thrilled to be there i don't care about $10 here and $5 there. people tip more and are much more generous when they are happy and on vacation. this juxtaposition will never change.

what started all this is how frugal can you be and still be respectful to the native population? for most here good service deserves a small token of appreciation in the form of money.

do we want to create good will or the opposite w the local population. believe me if your an extremely stingy person you will make people unhappy that you are in their country.

this is my opinion, that's all.

"Big Spender" has been around for a while. But if we make it an acronym, we end up with BS.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;1625492]I have been silent for a while now, but I really don't understand these Cheap Charlie remarks. Well lets get to IMHO the heart of the matter. Who causes more harm in the Monger Community? Is it the guys who say " Hey I'm on vacation. And I don't care what I spend "? I don't see these fellows getting degrading labels. It is a free world when out of sex prison so men can do as they please. That is great.

Maybe if someone can come up with a label for the top dollar guys I will get off my soapbox.

If you are a big spender or a Budget Monger I wish you all the luck in the world.[/QUOTE]

I guess I'm going to date myself, but the last time I paid a barfine in Ermita was 1990. My next visit was a decade later in 2000, but by then the Lim effect had taken hold. Does anyone know when LA Cafe opened? I don't remember how I found out about the place. I might have just found it by accident. Having lived in S. CA, a place in Manila called LA Cafe would have caught my eye. On my first visit to LAC I do remember thinking "mini-Thermae". Does the infamous Thermae of BKK still exist?

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1625404]Please specify the bars in QC and Malate/Ermita. In Malate/Ermita there are the main 3; LAC/MBC, Amazonia, and GPoint. None of these bars has a barfine. For the record, which bars charge a barfine? SNIP
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[QUOTE=XMan;1625619]I guess I'm going to date myself, but the last time I paid a barfine in Ermita was 1990. My next visit was a decade later in 2000, but by then the Lim effect had taken hold. Does anyone know when LA Cafe opened? I don't remember how I found out about the place. I might have just found it by accident. Having lived in S. CA, a place in Manila called LA Cafe would have caught my eye. On my first visit to LAC I do remember thinking "mini-Thermae". Does the infamous Thermae of BKK still exist?[/QUOTE]Someone maby got newer intel than me but yes the Thermae in Sukhumvit soi 15 still excist atleast it did approx 5 months ago. The left line of girls cater mostly to asians (even if I pick from that line as I like the baby dolls dolled like japaneese girls every now amd then) and the right line cater to westerners (or both).

[QUOTE=Skogis;1625622]Someone maby got newer intel than me but yes the Thermae in Sukhumvit soi 15 still excist atleast it did approx 5 months ago. The left line of girls cater mostly to asians (even if I pick from that line as I like the baby dolls dolled like japaneese girls every now amd then) and the right line cater to westerners (or both).[/QUOTE]Yes the name still exists. But Thermae from 1990 was completely different. Plenty of 500 Baht girls and no Japanese there.

[QUOTE=XMan;1625619]I guess I'm going to date myself, but the last time I paid a barfine in Ermita was 1990. My next visit was a decade later in 2000, but by then the Lim effect had taken hold. Does anyone know when LA Cafe opened? I don't remember how I found out about the place. I might have just found it by accident. Having lived in S. CA, a place in Manila called LA Cafe would have caught my eye. On my first visit to LAC I do remember thinking "mini-Thermae". Does the infamous Thermae of BKK still exist?[/QUOTE]You are correct. Plenty of go-go bars in Ermita then. I believe it was '92 or '93 when they were closed by Lim and some, such as the Firehouse, moved to Pasay. I don't know when LAC was opened but a FL bar was operating there in '97, then only on the second floor of the present location. On the ground floor was Rosie's Diner, and I don't know when that closed. The Thermae moved from the near (under?) the Miami Hotel to elsewhere in the mid 90's I recall.

[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1625378]Well GreenBud, may I ask where it is that you fare from?[/QUOTE]I'm from the US.

[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1625378]Tips did not originate in america[/QUOTE]OK. But Americans popularized it (Tipping, McDonalds, and Mickey Mouse).

[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1625378]I hope this puts things in perspective, and sets you straight on who to blame for tips.[/QUOTE]OK :) I made a flippant remark. Just my type of humor.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1625228]I have never had a BG runner in AC. I always explain to the girl upfront how much the tip is per boomX2. Some girls are not good at multiplication but sure can add fast! The bf and tips does not affect whether I eat or not. But I am sure it has a tremendous effect on their lives. Most AC girls are here because of survival. They lack skills and / or job opportunities.
[/QUOTE]I need to try this!

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1625243]In Makati and EDSA, the mamasan will tell you that the barfine is X pesos, and you need to tip Y pesos to the girl in the hotel room. If you don't tip the mandatory amount, I am assuming you might get your ass kicked by some goons (or at least be yelled at by the girl).

If the old days (2003) , when I gave a tip, the girls seemed surprised. They also seemed surprised when I told them to go early. Sorry, I'm one of the guys that ruined Angeles.
[/QUOTE]That was probably my bad. Some years back I went to EDSA for the first time after many visits to AC. I asked how much was the tip in addition to the bar fine and was told "up to you". So I only gave her 500 p for LT. When I read the Manila threads later I realised the error, I told my resident wingman to make up for the shortfall if he ever bumped into her and I would square him later, he never did see her again. A much later visit, a girl left early after an agreed LT, I paid her less than half the "fixed tip", no one came to kick my ass.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1625246]Since we're on this subject.
The waitresses make even less than the dancers. They get a lower salary. They normally are not barfined often, because many of the are older chubby moms.
At the bars, the waitresses either gets a station area, or they get a customer. They might get (at the most?) couple of hundred pesos per night in tips (depending on which bar they work at). They definitely rely on the tips to supplement their income.

Not everyone tips.

Once when I left 5 pesos, she frowned. They seem to be happy with 15 pesos. They are definitely happy with 20 pesos tip.[/QUOTE]I leave behind coins and 20 p notes since they are next to worthless to me. Occasionally, when a waitress has helped me, like "find me a girl with tongue stud. " and she does some work, goes all over the place asking, etc. I give her directly 100 p note, when I leave, separate from bar change.

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I am sonewhat amused but also concerned about the tipping FRs. If you spend thousands to get to AC (wells ay $800-1500) and then quibble / boast over $10 you are a CC IMHO. Why are we proud to boast about not spending an extra $10 on helping a girl for whom that extra means a lot to her / her family than it does to you (unless you are a real CC).
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[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1625378]
What if anything does 500 php, approximately $11 at todays exchange rate, mean to a punter who has a great night filled with slurping, sucking, licking, lapping, grunting and moaning with a tiny tight pussied little brown skinned beauty.
I hope this puts things in perspective, and sets you straight on who to blame for tips.
LAT.[/QUOTE]True, sometimes when I am back in the real world, I reminiscent on some of the girls who had made me so happy for so little. I am more generous these days, yet I am mindful of not spoiling the market.

[QUOTE=KongKing;1625296]This topic is becoming oh so confusing and not helped by generalised putdowns like this. Amavida you currently have some useful and interesting postings in the General and Other Areas forums but this one I find meaningless and unhelpful.

Not so long ago on this Angeles City Forum we had a repeated message that there was no longer any bar fines, you just sort it out with the girl. And I know this applies in some other places as well. Whichever way it is, paying the bar, or paying the girl, there is a fee to the bar management for the early release of the girl from her bar duties. This we can call the bar fine either paid directly to the bar (mamasan) or indirectly via the girl.

Then there is the fee to the girl for her negotiated ST or LT services. In addition, in my book, you may give a tip as a bonus for appreciated services. I agree with Amjeck that "It's up to the monger if he wishes to tip on top of that" (the bar and fee for the girl); the tip being optional. I therefore disagree with GreenBud where he talks about tipping "the mandatory about". Tipping is an optional extra beyond the fees to the bar and the negotiated rate for time and services by the girl.

That's as I see it.

KongKing.[/QUOTE]To Kong king.

This is not confusing at all just tip if you feel the girl deserve a tip I do tip in PI becasuse most of the girl here have good attuide and service unlike other country in SE Asia and China, even a small tip like 200 p goes a long way for this girl most of them come a ver why poor large family need money to support their younger brother and sister, this is a screw up country I feel bad about this girl and the bar owner take advantage of them.

Fast eddie 48.