Angeles City

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]I would not recommend Angeles.[/QUOTE]And maybe that is obvious from your post!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]Infrastructure (travel to / from complicated, expensive, not worth the effort). No more direct flights Clark. Bangkok. Manila is comparatively expensive. Better value in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]True. . . The flights to Clark have been cancelled and Manila traffic sucks.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]Bars are often raided and even spectator only customers are arrested / harassed unnecessarily.[/QUOTE]In all my years visiting and for the time that I live here now, I have yet to get caught up in a raid. I visit quite a few bars every week. What a bunch of nonsense!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]Quality of food compared with Thailand is quite awful.[/QUOTE]Thai food may be better for those who enjoy Thai food. The food here is NOT imaginative but it is edible and there is enough variety for most. We have enough McDonalds, occasional Burger Kings and a new Wendy's at the mall. . . What are we missing?

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]The town is broken down and looks a bit like Lagos. The town is dirty, not scenic, nor is it by the sea. No beaches for sure.[/QUOTE]There are no beaches in Angeles. . . True enough. But some of the tourists like to pretend that it is and wander around the bar area without shirts, in swim trunks while hugging a beer in one hand. Who can figure that one out? Maybe it's the occasional palm tree that is visible here.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]Be careful going out after dark, especially poorly lit streets.[/QUOTE]Probably pretty much true anywhere in the third world countries where tourists have more money than the locals. BUT. . . Good advice, be careful!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]Unlike Thailand, there are certainly no police helpful for visitors.[/QUOTE]I guess that perhaps you personally can relate to a horror story where the police were not helpful to you? Otherwise, you enjoy spreading rumors from something you read somewhere. (? ? ?

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]Shopping, compared with Thailand, is very limited.[/QUOTE]The most annoying experience I had was on Beach Road in Pattatya where every Indian tailor found it necessary to shake my hand and offer to sell me suits and shirts that I didn't want or need. I am happy we don't have that nonsense in Angeles. Everything else can pretty be much be had either here or in Manila.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1627787]Most go to Angeles to save money. If money is not an issue, best go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Hope you continue to spend your money eleswhere!

IMHO. . . Munch.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1627734] Just in general terms; are the two even remotely the same. [/QUOTE]Apples and oranges!

Pattaya and AC each have their strong points. Pattaya has a lot more to offer for daytime activities. There really isn't anything to do in AC other than go bars and have sex. While I do find Thai women much more attractive, pinay girls do offer a more GF experience. I also find it easier to communicate because they speak more English than Thai girls. If you've never been, try it and see for yourself which you like better.

[QUOTE=CaptMunch;1627851]
The most annoying experience I had was on Beach Road in Pattatya where every Indian tailor found it necessary to shake my hand and offer to sell me suits and shirts that I didn't want or need. I am happy we don't have that nonsense in Angeles. IMHO. . . Munch.[/QUOTE]No tailors in Angeles, that's true. But to 'compensate' for that the streets are FLOODED with people that want to sell you (fake) Viagra, Cialis, cigarettes, food etcetera etcetera. Not to mention the many beggars and pickpocketing kids.

I prefer the tailors in Pattatya. They are more easy to ignore.

Nevertheless I prefer Pinays over Thai. Too bad AC is such a shit hole.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1627734]Having been to Patts four years in a row, was thinking about a change of venue and PI came to mind. Just in general terms; are the two even remotely the same. We know Patts and feel very safe where we stay and in the areas we venture into. Having no knowledge of PI; any input on what makes PI a consideration would appreciated. Also, it's not all about saving money at all; just a change of scenery. How do the girls, prices, locale and accommodations compare?[/QUOTE]They are exactly the same in terms of having bars where you can get girls. But there are differences.

Angeles will be slightly more dangerous than Pattaya (Both are safe if you're smart).

Girls in Angeles will speak more English.

Prices will be slightly more in Pattaya.

Pattaya has the better location since it has the beach and other attractions.

Accommodations are similar, but Pattaya will have more options and be slightly cheaper.

For me, the major differences are the strip joints and the shows (lesbian shows, banana shows etc). Pattaya has them; Angeles only has cultural shows with bikinis - no nudity.

But you can't beat the "change of scenery".

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1627881]Too bad AC is such a shit hole.[/QUOTE]

Yup. But I still go there. I still like it.

It's a buyers market in AC, there are far more girls per punter in AC than Pattaya.

More GFE in Philippines in general, seem more skillful in the sack, not sure if has something to do with Spanish blood infused in them.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1627734]PI vs. Pattaya

Having been to Patts four years in a row, was thinking about a change of venue and PI came to mind. [/QUOTE]Right. I understand where you are coming from. I have been punting in Thailand a long time and I love Thai girls. For nearly two decades I didn't even think about traveling to the PI. Thailand and Cambodia had everything I needed / wanted: great girls, mouthwatering food, impressive culture, and beautiful beaches. Not to mention infrastructure, hotels, highways, and relative safety (at least in Thailand. LOL).

Then I started reading some trip reports on the PI and I got interested. My first visit was in 2011 and I have been coming back here every year since then. Why? I can tell you it is not cuisine or the culture, although PI beaches are very beautiful and I prefer them over more developed Thai beaches. No, I keep coming back on account of the girls. They are charming and very different than Buddha girls. Viva la difference! So give Filipinas a try. You have nothing to lose and I don't think you will be sorry you did. BTW, don't waste your time thinking about the non-important stuff like comparative cuisine, culture, or relative safety. The food is ok. You will not get sick. The culture is a non event. And nobody is going to fuck with you if you know how to handle yourself in a 3rd world country. Just stay on the grid and you will be fine. Think of a Makati, AC, and Subic trip as something similar to, but completely different than a BKK - Patt trip. Like a parallel Asian universe. And you will have a great time.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1627734]Having been to Patts four years in a row, was thinking about a change of venue and PI came to mind. Just in general terms; are the two even remotely the same. We know Patts and feel very safe where we stay and in the areas we venture into. Having no knowledge of PI; any input on what makes PI a consideration would appreciated. Also, it's not all about saving money at all; just a change of scenery. How do the girls, prices, locale and accommodations compare?

Thanks in advance. Also, if anyone has questions about Patts, please feel free to ask.[/QUOTE]Having been to both for more yrs than I could remember. Here is what I have to say. No discussion needed as this is IMO.

Both places have exactly what you want. SEX SEX SEX. If its more than pussy then don't need to leave home.

Both places have food, but much more variety in Patts. More good restaurants and street food. AC food tend to suck after awhile as locals eat alot of fried stuff and white rice. Only so many franchize burger places I could eat before I get sick of it.

Both places have hotels but definitely Patts have WAYYYYYY more hotel options than AC. The hotels / GH options in Patts seems endless compare to AC. Therefore more chances of finding room bargains in Patts.

More things to do in Patts because of Location, location, location. It sits on a beach. Hence the most famous road in Patts is called Beach Road. Even Walking St is an extention of the Beach Rd.

AC is land locked and only thing worth doing is waiting and watching for the famous volcano sitting next to AC to blow up.

No adult shows in AC but have them in Patts.

Safety--no comparison as Patts win hands down. Never an issue walking anywhere day or night down alleys or deserted streets in Patts, alone or otherwise. Only have to beware of the LBs in Patts as they are much worse than other countries. In AC, I would NEVER walk down a dark alley or even a major road alone outside of Fields when all the bars are closed. Armed robbery of mongers and even known bars are not unheard of. (at least 1-2 bars that I could remember were robbed at gun point within the last yr. Along with at least 2 murders of hotel guards).

But all the good things about Patts comes at a cost (you knew this was cumming right). Although everything else about Patts is somewhat cheaper, the price of SEX is not. And remember you are going there for just this thing right? I would say that on average, the Patts price of LT is at least twice that of AC. Also, many girls in Patts don't speak english and many who do are not very good at it. This makes for more overcharging by the girl simply because of language barrier. Happens all the time.

And yes, i do agree that AC is a shithole compare to Patts , especially during the rainy season.

All in all, fun could be had in either place. Just depends on if you feel like eating PI pussy or Thai pussy. But once you have your face in her muff--does it really matter.

Cheers.

quick question. anyone hear of any **** scams coming from an actual bargirl? i picked up this cute young thing i was told was 19 and only 3 days working. after getting her out of the bar, she looks much younger but filipinas generally do look young. anyway, her cousin who had dragged me into the bar and introduced me to her came to my hotel to pick her up this morning. asking for my room number. i didn't want to give it or go down just in case there were guys waiting for me to shake me down. just wanted to see if i should be worried? guess not so quick of a question. thanks guys.

[quote=mistero;1628153]quick question. anyone hear of any **** scams coming from an actual bargirl? i picked up this cute young thing i was told was 19 and only 3 days working. after getting her out of the bar, she looks much younger but filipinas generally do look young. anyway, her cousin who had dragged me into the bar and introduced me to her came to my hotel to pick her up this morning. asking for my room number. i didn't want to give it or go down just in case there were guys waiting for me to shake me down. just wanted to see if i should be worried? guess not so quick of a question. thanks guys.[/quote]you may have heard that ac bars occasionally are raided? in order to give the corrupt cops no ammunition in court most bars are pretty good about checking and validating age. if she's working in a bar you're pretty safe she is of legal age & has current health permit to work.

scamming of johns & mail order husbands does happen all over the pi but it's not a big problem nor strongly associated with bar's. it is easily avoided by using common sense.

av.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1628157]You may have heard that AC bars occasionally are raided? In order to give the corrupt cops no ammunition in court most bars are pretty good about checking and validating age. If she's working in a bar you're pretty safe she is of legal age & has current health permit to work.

Scamming of Johns & Mail order husbands does happen all over the PI but it's not a big problem nor strongly associated with bar's. It is easily avoided by using common sense.

AV.[/QUOTE]Thanks AV. Well I was a little concerned because her badge didn't look like all the other girls', but I was told because she was so new so it was a temporary one. Then she didn't want to go down and talk to her cousin who was down in the lobby. Kept along shay was wrong and she wouldn't talk. Just kept hugging me and tearing. So we're still here now.

[quote=mistero;1628153]quick question. anyone hear of any **** scams coming from an actual bargirl? i picked up this cute young thing i was told was 19 and only 3 days working. after getting her out of the bar, she looks much younger but filipinas generally do look young. anyway, her cousin who had dragged me into the bar and introduced me to her came to my hotel to pick her up this morning. asking for my room number. i didn't want to give it or go down just in case there were guys waiting for me to shake me down. just wanted to see if i should be worried? guess not so quick of a question. thanks guys.[/quote]generally there are no scams with the bargirls. however i have heard every once in a while an **** girl using a false i'd will get a job in the bar. however they are not out to scam you. she just needs work. never the less if you suspect her to be ****, it is best to take her back to the bar and make sure she is of age or choose someone else.

[QUOTE=MisterO;1628162]Thanks AV. Well I was a little concerned because her badge didn't look like all the other girls', but I was told because she was so new so it was a temporary one. Then she didn't want to go down and talk to her cousin who was down in the lobby. Kept along shay was wrong and she wouldn't talk. Just kept hugging me and tearing. So we're still here now.[/QUOTE]Another point to keep in mind. Many girls want privacy. They do not want their line of work to become common knowledge in their home community therefore not at all common for them to use the I'd of a cousin or sister.

If you're spidy sense is tingling. And in this case I think you are justified. Then play it safe.

Probably not a scammer but a young new girl trying to sneak into the bar work by the sounds of your description.

AV.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1628166]Another point to keep in mind. Many girls want privacy. They do not want their line of work to become common knowledge in their home community therefore not at all common for them to use the I'd of a cousin or sister.

If you're spidy sense is tingling. And in this case I think you are justified. Then play it safe.

Probably not a scammer but a young new girl trying to sneak into the bar work by the sounds of your description.

AV.[/QUOTE]Most girls don't want anyone to know they work in a bar. I can remember a few girls that freaked when they saw a familiar province girl in a club or restaurant. If they are seen then the story line is they just serve drinks in the clubs but do not go out or barfine. Some girls do not want to be seen coming out of or near a hotel. I can remember one girl telling me she was shocked when she saw there was a girl from her neighborhood working in her bar. I asked how they got along, she replied that they never talked to each other. Not even a Hello,. This way they never saw each other!

[quote=streetlooker;1628192]barfined a girl for a few days from the barhoppin bar and she wanted to go to her home to pick up a few fresh clothes so she could stay with me. cool so we go back to her little place and there is a older lady there with a girl i would say was about 13-14 tops. she introduced them has her mother and sister ok makes since. so i am sitting there in there little 2 room house and her and her mother leave the room. so i am now in the room with her 14 year old sister. then a dude comes into the house and wants to know what the hell i am doing in here with the 14 yr old and i said i not here for her i am here for amiee who was the girls name i bar fined. he said amiee not here and again ask me why i was here with the 14 yr old and said if i didn't pay him 10000 pesos now he go get the police and have me arrested for being with a ****d girl. i said go ahead go get the police and when he unblocked the door i made a break for it. i then went back to the barhoppin and got my 2nd days barfine back and explained what she was doing to the american owner he said he handle it and i never been back to that bar again. sometimes i think i am lucky i didn; t get fucked up letting my guard down like this and going to the girls house. this did sort of scare the shit out of me and i don; t go to houses anymore.[/quote]this is really an old scam.

strongly suggest that if you must go to angeles, then you really must carefully read the posts on this forum to get a heads up on all the scams etc.