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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2439074]Never been to Artemis, but Germans I got at Atmos or Harmony Hamburg: Tyra, Linda, Bambi, were prettier than most of those I usually see in NRW or Hessen, except Berliner Leana at Palace. Linda now at Globe is from Hamburg, Mio now at Globe also, Finnja ex Globe ex GT also. Castings are different at Atmos and Harmony, with more different origins. When Globe was on higher level, sometimes 5/6 Germans. Sometimes few Germans at Amesia.[/QUOTE]Sirioja, a quick clarification: you mentioned the name Linda twice in your message; I assume that Linda at Atmos or Harmony Hamburg is different from Linda at Globe?

Also, sort of a continuation of Mr Ho's question, in you opinion how do the German girls in Atmos or Harmony Hamburg compare to the German girls at Globe?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Tropea317;2439077]Italy: P6 is illegal: 11.660 corona deaths (11,43% of all cases).

You are wrong.

In Italy exploitation of is illegal.

We have site like bakeka etc.

The problem is 3 on 4 is a scam.

Romanian first.

Then old fucker 45 ys or more that ask 50 or 70 for their old pussy.

But for sure in the next years Chinese make discount.

The pope live in the state of Vatican.[/QUOTE]Haha, well the Vatican is as much a state of its own as the City of London is. Nothing more than a joke.

Maybe I should have written brothels instead of P6. Doesn't change my point, LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2439215]... Of course I pay girls, and I never answer to go to Romania, or even to meet outside as I was proposed by a Globe girl, but I preferred Verbier. But my meaning is I'm more interested by the woman side, woman reactions even sometimes jealousy, anger, but I will always prefer the woman behind the prostitute. I remember tears in Kate Globe eyes, when speaking together. I'm not interested just to fuck a prostitute, I need more sensations.[/QUOTE]Interesting story. The tears in Kate Globe's eyes suggest she has feelings for you, did you ever find out why she was working? On the other hand, you seem to keep your private life separate (as you never answer to go Romania or even to meet outside), so I guess it wouldn't matter what her circumstances were [NOPARSE]...[/NOPARSE]?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2439111]Did you fuck Linda in Globe? She's a smart cutie, fucks awesome in public. Only that she was still a bit shy to fuck on stage, maybe next time.[/QUOTE]I remember reading that Mr Ho prebooked Linda through a friend and found the message (please see below), you'll need to click through to read the entire thread. Maybe I should let Mr Ho reply directly though [NOPARSE]...[/NOPARSE].

[QUOTE=MrHo;2421113]Prebook through friend. I noticed she is super busy. My taste is pretty like her and if it is yours, we got same taste, she is very much my type. BUT these type of girls are increasingly hard to find[noparse]...[/noparse][/QUOTE]By the way, your comment about her being a smart cutie is interesting. I assume this impression comes from conversations with her? What do you talk about? The reason I find your comment interesting is that I recall another forum member's comment that she's not much of a conversationalist (I'm a bit tired, so I will skip this message search for now; maybe I'll add it later).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2439192]Seems to me that your fantasy is that you're not patronizing prostitutes, and that you have some real "relationship" with all of these "women" who are not just "tutes". That's the fantasy I see. Reminds me of guys who would go to the old Help Disco in Rio, then go back home and tell their friends about how they "picked up" this one and that one, and how easy and great it was, while conveniently leaving out or downplaying the fact that Help was no "regular" disco. Those girls were prostitutes, and those guys were tricks!

Now, can it be that the girls are always choosing somebody first? Always? Yes, it can. In fact, that's usually that way it is for me. Because you see, I rarely ever chase any of these girls. But, I know that doesn't signal the beginning of some kind of "relationship" with them just because they chose me LOL! They are choosing me first and foremost because they want to make some money! They know I have some, and they want some of it too!

Also, is it possible to have a real connection with one of them here and there? Yes, I have had that with many a one too, and still stay in touch with several. But at the end of the day, we have got to keep this real. And what's real my friend is that these girls are working prostitutes, and we their "Johns" or "tricks". Their "customers". We do get closer to some than others. And when they get mad because you go with another girl, it's not because they care about you so much. It's because you're now giving the money that she wanted to somebody else! That's why. And it's like that! And that's the way it is! And I like it.[/QUOTE]Nailed it! Every time I fall in love with an WG, I pinch myself real hard to get back to reality. LOL I even had a post-it inside my wallet, written in bold big letters "She loves it the most" to remind myself every time I open it. Still it didn't work few times. Siri is only human, give him a break.

[QUOTE=CuriousExplore;2439237]I remember reading that Mr Ho prebooked Linda through a friend and found the message (please see below), you'll need to click through to read the entire thread. Maybe I should let Mr Ho reply directly though [NOPARSE]...[/NOPARSE].

By the way, your comment about her being a smart cutie is interesting. I assume this impression comes from conversations with her? What do you talk about? The reason I find your comment interesting is that I recall another forum member's comment that she's not much of a conversationalist (I'm a bit tired, so I will skip this message search for now; maybe I'll add it later).[/QUOTE]Simple things. School, career, sex, travel, home, music, clubs, raves, hobbies etc etc. Can't write her personal details here, I don't even remember much of the details, though we kept in touch up until recently. Really nothing special but she talks in my frequency. Sorry for the boring answer if you expected something raunchy.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2439215]Megan saw many times my ex girlfriend photo I still have on my phone since nearly 10 years, and she made wow. Of course I pay girls, and I never answer to go to Romania, or even to meet outside as I was proposed by a Globe girl, but I preferred Verbier. But my meaning is I'm more interested by the woman side, woman reactions even sometimes jealousy, anger, but I will always prefer the woman behind the prostitute. I remember tears in Kate Globe eyes, when speaking together. I'm not interested just to fuck a prostitute, I need more sensations.[/QUOTE]Why you like Anger and jealousy?

When I go to a club, I want to have fun with as many girls as I can, at least 2 . I don't like to go just for 1 girl. And if a girl just make that behavior of anger or jealousy, I dislike, I want her to know that I will fuck another girls and she know that, I just feel she want my money to go all for her, that's how I feel when I see anger or jealousy.

[QUOTE=CuriousExplore;2439237]I remember reading that Mr Ho prebooked Linda through a friend and found the message (please see below), you'll need to click through to read the entire thread. Maybe I should let Mr Ho reply directly though [NOPARSE]...[/NOPARSE].

By the way, your comment about her being a smart cutie is interesting. I assume this impression comes from conversations with her? What do you talk about? The reason I find your comment interesting is that I recall another forum member's comment that she's not much of a conversationalist (I'm a bit tired, so I will skip this message search for now; maybe I'll add it later).[/QUOTE]Well I do speak with her, but usually where she is from which is Hamburg and so on, not much, I often talk more about what I want to do with her and my expectation as I do not want to waste time talking to girls in brothel. Some are interesting girls and smart, but man, I am in FKK to fuck and not to talk LOL!

I find most German girls to be rather nice and talkative if you are nice to her, but I don't want her to use her mouth to talk to me, but I want her to use her mouth to suck my dick LOL!

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2439289]Why you like Anger and jealousy?

When I go to a club, I want to have fun with as many girls as I can, at least 2 . I don't like to go just for 1 girl. And if a girl just make that behavior of anger or jealousy, I dislike, I want her to know that I will fuck another girls and she know that, I just feel she want my money to go all for her, that's how I feel when I see anger or jealousy.[/QUOTE]That jealousy in and anger by girls in FKK is anger over money, not the guy, but the money guy is not giving to her, but to someone else. If you don't go with her for whatever reason, girls in FKK see it as money not given to them LOL!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2434169]German healthcare system is far weaker than the French one, just have a look on how many premiere in surgeon they have done in the last 30 years. It is like the VW, Mercedes, BMW you think they are great cars but in fact they are not better than the other ones. Made in Germany is far from what it used to be. I had to deal with some dentists and hospitals in t Frankfurt and Berlin and really was never impressed by the quality of services I got, each time I can choose I will go to France.[/QUOTE]Name Confirmed Changes Today Deceased Changes Today Recovered Serious.

TOTAL 864,690 42,233 176,403 28,690.

★ United States 188,578 ↑ 48 (0. 02%) 4,011 ↑ 1 (0. 02%) 5,511 3,632.

★ Italy 106,128 12,443 15,729 4,023.

★ Spain 95,923 8,464 19,259 5,607.

★ China 83,059 3,305 76,052 528.

★ Germany 71,985 778 17,447 1,486.

★ France 52,375 3,523 9,445 5,565.

Germany has the Best Numbers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2439311]That jealousy in and anger by girls in FKK is anger over money, not the guy, but the money guy is not giving to her, but to someone else. If you don't go with her for whatever reason, girls in FKK see it as money not given to them LOL![/QUOTE]Just because you were never able to experience this, from your behavior with girls, but so many girls asking me: You do the same with others? I don t want You go with others, and my LR girl was full busy, with guys waiting for her, some who couldn't get her, when she always came to me, but so angry when I stopped when she had plenty of other better and bigger money clients than me, but each time I returned to her, then she chose me first and everybody, even staff, knew at LR. Last time, I saw her, more than 1 year and half after I stopped with her, I didn't find any girl at LR but she was still looking at me with killer eyes, from a hurt woman, so long time after, because during more than 1 year and half she should have had many other better clients and don t care anymore about me, but for sure she still did very care, matter of image we are able to give to girls of themselves, but a bit higher than licking ass. I also remember German Lucifer at GT on a end of January 2018 Saturday evening, did you ever visit GT on a Saturday evening? Full crowded, many guys waiting for her, she got busy business, but she came 3 times to ask me if I wanted her, twice while she was waiting for key with other clients, she remembered her initiation at Palace, but I was the one not to want her when others were waiting for her. But of course, we can only experience from what we are, our manners and skill, and facts talk in clubs.

Corona destroyed many things and sectors around world. Who would even thought virus will shut down FKK for longest time that has ever been shut since its opening.

What is your guess of re opening of FKK? Maybe summer do you guys think?

Clubs has some employees and I wonder how long clubs can keep on paying rent, salaries, money for central heating etc.

Some clubs like Artemis do not have rent, but other clubs do, so I hope they got enough cash flow, other wise after corona is over, there will be new owner.

I would go easy on Sirioja. He likes to have some connection, feels that he has that connection; and if a man feels he has it with a working girl what is it to other men? No one knows what's in the mind and heart of a girl anyway. Many men here like to brag that they are able to bring girls to orgasms by doing DATY. I personally feel almost all orgasms in the fuck clubs are faked. But if a man feels he made a girl cum with his oral administrations, I will not dispute it. I also do not see any need to dispute if Sirioja claims he has a special connection to his girls either.

Sex in the fuck clubs is purely a physical activity for me. I am in a different situation due to my status and emotional need is not my reason to be visiting these clubs. I appreciate the vocal histrionics some girls put into their action in the room as long as it is not over the top. I kinda look at it like a waitress smiling at me brightly at the table and asking me how is my day. I know the waitress doesn't really care about my day and I also know the WG I am fucking is not really cumming, but it is nice they make some effort as a business service. Just don't overdo it.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2439145]Webcam at scale is a relatively new service, especially on a global basis. Most people did not have access to quality broadband until a few years ago. Yet you think globally there are more men consuming webcam more than prostitution which has been around forever. What is the reason to think so, and if you are right when do you think more men worldwide switched from being Johns to webcam consumers?[/QUOTE]Good point about broadband. If not more than, close. I could see some mongers switching temporarily as something to do between brothel visits. Or I could see an older monger switching permanently if he is no longer physically healthy. My point is this: just because you and I do not visit camming sites, does not mean that there aren't millions of people who do. Below figures are from 2013, but by most accounts they have grown since then:

[QUOTE]"The traffic to the most popular camming Internet sites is substantial, with a handful of the top sites getting 30 million visitors a month, according to *Compete.com, which measures Internet traffic."

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/technology/intimacy-on-the-web-with-a-crowd.html
[/QUOTE]Figures for prevalence of mongering and reasons why some men might not patronize brothels or strip clubs:

[QUOTE]"Turning to the clients of prostitutes, 1518 percent of American men report that they have ever paid for sex, according to a dozen GSS polls over the past two decades (with 24 percent saying that they have done so in the past year). Similar figures are reported in Australia and parts of Europe."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275435839_Researching_Sex_Work_in_the_Twenty-First_Century

"And many of the men felt guilty about visiting strip clubs because of the stigma involved, because they knew their wife or girlfriend would disapprove, or because they felt that paying for sexual services diminished their masculinity."[/QUOTE]Reasons why some men might not monger: (1) Some men attach their masculinity to being able to attract women. Paying for sex to them is like admitting defeat. (2) Some men are germaphobes. This might be more true of the younger generation who was raised having streaming porn at their fingertips. Masturbating alone in one's bedroom is a more sterile experience. The wetness and smells of real sex with real women might throw them off. With regards to being a germaphobe, this is a variable spectrum. One FKK friend explained to me that he did not start mongering until his mid-or-late 30's because he bought into the stereotypes that all WGs were dirty and disease-ridden. He told me that his first time in FKK, he accompanied a friend, and while tempted, he elected not to do a session. The clean surroundings of the FKK eased his mind, and he lost his FKK virginity on the next visit. (3) Some men would feel guilty paying a WG for sex (committed relationships, religion). (4) Some men simply do not have convenient access to legalized, commercial sex, so while they are tempted, the effort associated with planning a trip and making up a "cover story" to tell their friends / family / colleagues proves be too much friction, so they never act on their desires.

Webcamming can be done from the convenience of one's home. It is frictionless. And it is cheap. Also men in committed relationships can more easily rationalize their guilt because they never had any physical contact with the cam model, so they were never guilty of "cheating".

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2439393]Many men here like to brag that they are able to bring girls to orgasms by doing DATY. I personally feel almost all orgasms in the fuck clubs are faked. But if a man feels he made a girl cum with his oral administrations, I will not dispute it. I appreciate the vocal histrionics some girls put into their action in the room as long as it is not over the top. I kinda look at it like a waitress smiling at me brightly at the table and asking me how is my day. I know the waitress doesn't really care about my day and I also know the WG I am fucking is not really cumming, but it is nice they make some effort as a business service. Just don't overdo it.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of the times that I sessioned with one particular girl while visiting Panama. After I sessioned with her the first time, I got back to my home country and wrote this long report in which I described in detail my experience with her, including how she had an "earth-shattering" orgasm at the very end. A few years later, I returned to Panama and had sex with the same tute. And guess what? In the room she did all of the exact same things she had done before, in the exact same sequence, including that earth-shattering orgasm at the end LOLOLOL! That's when I realized that she was all an act, and that I had not made her cum at all ever! Lesson learned. Now, have I made some tutes "nut" before? Yes I have. I have even had some ask me to stop or pull away because they said they were about to cum but didn't want to (why would a tute do that or feel that way anyway). And have some faked it? Absolutely yes they have (as many fake their desire for Sirioja). But you know what? I don't brag or go on about things like that anymore (again learned a lesson). And I don't care either because 'tis I who always "nuts" for real! Normally multiple times too! And when it's all said and done, that's all I care about! I the paying customer got what I wanted the way I wanted it! Haha! Yes sir!