"I have concepts of a plan"
Prior to Biden V Trump debate, I stated that I thought Biden was able to debate Trump. I was wrong, and said that immediately after the debate, I thought Biden looked waayyyyy too old.
The debate last night was not even closed. Harris looked commanding and delivered a beat down that no one up until to this debate has done and put Trump in the proper perspective, unserious.
It only took 9 years to have "concepts of a plan". Great, will have it resolved in 2099.
He threw January 6 ers under the bus, backed it up, and then rolled forward. It wasn't me, "I just gave a speech". What a freakin coward. All who followed him always ended up on the underside of the bus.
Cats / Dogs. WTF.
DJT stock is down 12+%, yeah, he didn't win the debate last night.
Peacefully and patriotically
[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2944161]Prior to Biden V Trump debate, I stated that I thought Biden was able to debate Trump. I was wrong, and said that immediately after the debate, I thought Biden looked waayyyyy too old.
The debate last night was not even closed. Harris looked commanding and delivered a beat down that no one up until to this debate has done and put Trump in the proper perspective, unserious.
It only took 9 years to have "concepts of a plan". Great, will have it resolved in 2099.
He threw January 6 ers under the bus, backed it up, and then rolled forward. It wasn't me, "I just gave a speech". What a freakin coward. All who followed him always ended up on the underside of the bus.
Cats / Dogs. WTF.
DJT stock is down 12+%, yeah, he didn't win the debate last night.[/QUOTE]LOL. Did you notice he cried, "Nobody mentions I said "peacefully and patriotically" at that Insurrection"!
He knows he never said anything like "Go March and protest peacefully and patriotically" to that bloodthirsty MAGA mob. But he did say the word "peacefully. " It's just that he did not tell anyone to DO anything "peacefully" that day. He is lucky he didn't get factchecked on the spot for that blatantly obvious whopper too.
I thought Harris was good, not great, in her responses. But she was masterful in letting "Trump be Trump" and blather as much idiocy as he could fit into 90 minutes.
So much for that "closed mic" idea. They opened the mic for Trump any time he wanted to say something stupid even when it wasn't his turn.
They let Trump respond more times than Harris and allowed him to speak longer than Harris.
Naturally, that means big fat snowflake crybaby perpetual poor victim Trump is now crying the debate was rigged! Lololol.
[B]Trump says Harris debate was rigged, ABC should lose license, but 'we did great'.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/11/trump-harris-debate-rigged-abc-should-lose-license.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]Donald Trump blasted ABC News moderators for hosting what he called a rigged debate against Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee.
The former president and Republican nominee said government regulators ought to take away the terrible networks license for the way they did that, but claimed we did great.
Trump also brushed off the endorsement by Taylor Swift during his interview on Fox News.[/QUOTE]
Better Political Parties & Politicians under a popular vote...
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2943917]If USA eliminates the electoral college and switches to a popular vote, the only areas politicians would campaign in would be large urban cities. That's how they would garner the most support and votes. What incentive would a politician have to travel to a small rural town on the campaign trail to get a very small amount of votes? Basically anyone living outside of a large metropolitan area would be insignificant in terms of winning the presidential election. Those small town populations are still extremely important. They best understand the issues affecting their community. [/QUOTE]
Your generic use of the word [b]"politicians"[/b] in relation to the EC, instead of [b]"presidential candidate",[/b] threw me for a loop. I guess technically in my mind, when referring to the EC, I tend to think that "politician", best describes a "presidential candidate". Yes, I know "potato, potatoe", but the difference should be communicated, as the EC only relates to how a "presidential politician" is elected. With the EC vs a direct national election for President (or popular vote), I don't believe the campaigning would be any less different than it is today, for the rural vs urban areas. In fact I think the EC, is a disservice both rural and urban voters, because it only focuses the bulk of the today's campaigning in key battleground states and forgets the rest of the country. So how's that fair?
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2943917]An example of that is the Southern New Jersey coast right now. They are trying to build wind farms all along the coast which most residents hate and don't want it to happen for several reasons. It will effect the boating and fishing industries as well as have an environmental impact. Politicians at the national level and more urban Northern NJ are pushing it through anyway. It will most likely also lower property values all along the coast. New Jersey for the most part is very urban, but Southern NJ is actually more rural and suburban. The urban population is using their superior voting power to push an agenda which will enrich them through these wind farm contracts, and it is coming at the expense of rural community voters who don't want wind farms all over their coasts.
This is just a state issue too. If you eliminate the electoral college, urban cities will have the voting power to get whatever they want and it will come at the expense of rural communities and the vast natural resources that support those industries. Agriculture, mining, timber, fresh water, fishing, and many other industries those local people work in will have their profits start to be siphoned off as they lose voting power. That is just the nature of the beast / large Corporations. The people who spent their lives living around their natural resources usually have the best understanding of how they should be utilized without damaging their environment and communities. They should have the most say in what is happening to their environment. Not some big city 1000 miles away across the country.
That is why the electoral college is so important. It protects the voting power of people and resources outside the large urban cities. Think of the things San Francisco advocates for and think of things a small town in Texas advocates for. It is totally different. Small rural populations need to have a voice too.[/QUOTE]
Your examples, I think, again goes to the use of "politician" vs. "presidential candidate". Meaning your examples may not all be nationwide issues (and top of mind, in the way you've proposed them) that affects most Americans and one that a "presidential candidate" would run on. However, perhaps more suited to garner the attention and [b]campaigning efforts of your down-ballot[/b] Senate, House, Gubernatorial or Mayoral representatives and "politicians"? And if they're not campaigning in the rural areas, on these local issues, then vote for someone else who is.
Where politicians go to campaign, is all strategically calculated by historical and contemporary trends. With a popular vote, I think it would force our politicians, to legitimately campaign in a boarder number of states (both rural and urban areas), to be better communicators on national, state & county issues and somewhat negate the propensity for candidates and their campaigns to focus, invite or entertain the wedge, culture-war, fringe or cult-like issues/voters.
In short, a direct national election (or popular vote), would make better politicians out of our politicians. It would compel them, to campaign more center left and right of issues that the majority of Americans want. Thereby not allowing, [i]"the tail that wags the dog", [b]fringy divisive groups that currently thrive and are propped up by the current "insidious crutch", that is the EC.[/b][/i]
Do you really think Repubs want Americans voting seamlessly?
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2943960] I would like to see it easier to vote though. Just make it online, all you need is social security number, turn your camera on your lap top and have your I. The. Scanned and vote from home. I think there is some corruption on both sides in regard to mail in ballots and disqualifying people's votes because they didn't fill out a form right. But maybe I am underestimating cyber criminals. I am just saying voting is a pain in the ass and should be easier this day and age. I hate standing in line LOL. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2944156]My suggestion would be automatically register every citizen based on natural records, such as high school records, driver's licence, etc. , so that you don't have to spend millions trying to convince people to register. So long as you can test out the online system, safe guard records and hack proof it, I would agree with it. Unfortunately, you have 10's of millions of people (older americans) who are not tech savvy, and that's where the current state of technology would not be possible. Easy way to ledger votes is using the cryptocurrency technology to track every vote. But again, this is future (at least 15 years away) elections.[/QUOTE]
All good suggestions, and I can only hope someday soon!
[b]But what makes you think that one party in particular (the Repubs), would want you to vote,[/b] let alone make it easier for you to vote, with things like automatic registration, upon turning voting age, like most other G7 first world industrialized, democratic nations, when they don't need the popular vote to win?
Why on earth, would a party that has won 2x in the last 25 years, without wining the popular vote [i](and BTW a feat not seen since, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, also a Repub),[/i] would ever lead you to believe, that they want most Americans exercising their right to vote (easily and seamlessly), in a voting system (the EC) that props up, caters to and can win, with minority, culture-war and fringe issues, that the majority of Americans are antithetical towards?
Inflation is legalized theft. Counterfeiting is criminal inflation
You gave me a book suggestion. I will give you one: [I]The BITCOIN standard[/I], by Saifedean Ammous also [I]The Fiat Standard[/I] by the same author.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944092]Fiat currency is fantastic as it gives governments the flexibility to start programs like universal health care, pensions, etc. [/QUOTE]Fiat currency is money with several imperfections.
It allows the government who issues it to engage in counterfeiting and theft. If you are a rent seeker or owner of a bank then I understand why you have such a high opinion of the fiat currency system. If you are an emancipated wage slave like me who just got lucky and finally figured out what the system was doing to me, then your opinion might be different.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944092]Fiat currencies are here to stay.[/QUOTE]No doubt. Government has the power to incarcerate and declare what is or is not legal tender. Does not mean I have to live under a fiat standard.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944092]I don't know about you but I've done well in the era of fiat currencies.[/QUOTE]I will bet you a worthless 100 USD Federal Reserve Note that you did not achieve your financial success by holding onto fiat. You got rid of it as fast as you could and you bought real assets that increased in valued or played the legalized casino known as the stock market.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2944184]So that is why the USA is different. I am not sure which poison is going to be swallowed: decreased growth or default. But one of them is inevitable.[/QUOTE]You left one option out: To inflate away the debt. [B]Inflation is legalized theft. Counterfeiting is criminal inflation[/B].
Veep Harris was good, better and great...at giving Trump a thrashing!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2944159]Harris seemed better than Trump yesterday. Maybe he will lead again to destroy capitol, when he really must be prosecuted for January 2021, when Harris would be better for our 7 billions people world. Wish for her success, for our world and for women rights, when Trump is dangerous and bullshit too much since too long time.[/QUOTE]
Veep Harris, thoroughly crushed Trump, in last night's presidential debate!
She annihilated, destroyed and pummeled him into [i][b] "a shade of orange",[/b][/i] I haven't seen him wear, in some time (...kkkk!)
From the start, Trump was running away, at the initial opening handshake, to her powerful, strong, and clear arguments on abortion, immigration and the war on Ukraine, she had Trump on the ropes, from the "get go".
Veep Harris, had Trump so [i][b]discombobulated[/b][/i], his orange face was continually crunched up, his body hunched over and he appeared [i][b]punch drunk[/b][/i], for all the blows, Harris was delivering.
When he wasn't shouting incoherently, he sit in a silent fit of angry rage, stewing at the fact yet "another woman", was talking him to the cleaners.
IMHO, Veep Harris literally, gave Trump a thrashing! Bravo Harris!
Master performance by Harris...and Swifties endorsement doesn't hurt either...
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2944172]LOL. Did you notice he cried, "Nobody mentions I said "peacefully and patriotically" at that Insurrection"!
He knows he never said anything like "Go March and protest peacefully and patriotically" to that bloodthirsty MAGA mob. But he did say the word "peacefully. " It's just that he did not tell anyone to DO anything "peacefully" that day. He is lucky he didn't get factchecked on the spot for that blatantly obvious whopper too.[/QUOTE]
What didn't Trump cry about? (...kkkk!)
In addition to the your aforementioned "crybaby" blathering rant, I enjoyed the no sympathy [b]"crybaby"[/b] rant about getting shot at. Couldn't help, but think, that from the moderators, to Veep Harris, to the American people watching at home, we all were simultaneously thinking, perhaps he should take his own advice (that he and Vance gave to the Georgia shooting victim families) and realize [i]"shootings are a fact of life...GET OVER IT!"[/i]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2944172]I thought Harris was good, not great, in her responses. But she was masterful in letting "Trump be Trump" and blather as much idiocy as he could fit into 90 minutes.
So much for that "closed mic" idea. They opened the mic for Trump any time he wanted to say something stupid even when it wasn't his turn.
They let Trump respond more times than Harris and allowed him to speak longer than Harris.[/QUOTE] I thought, Harris was great and mastered Trump, like she would any other perp, convict or felon. From the start and Trump's unwanted handshake and her introduction of herself as, [b]"I am Kamala Harris"[/b], she was running circles around the "pussy grabber".
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2944172]Naturally, that means big fat snowflake crybaby perpetual poor victim Trump is now crying the debate was rigged! Lololol.
[B]Trump says Harris debate was rigged, ABC should lose license, but 'we did great'.[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/11/trump-harris-debate-rigged-abc-should-lose-license.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]
Masterful performance by Harris -Trump had to run to the "press spin room" for consolement from his sycophant "mini-me" minions...kkkk!
And the Taylor Swift, endorsement and message to vote to her "Swifties", has gotta...STING!
[b]PS:[/b] You knew, [b]Trump took a beatdown,[/b] because none of the "usual suspects" and "crybabies", have crawled out from under their rocks, to prattle on about their "know nothing, do nothing" would be savior, like when he supposedly "won" the debate against Biden.