Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2063311]I'm sure this was a case of YMMV. For future, why not end the session and go down to choose again. Ask the staff who is more Farang Friendly. Sometimes asking for this advice goes a long way. When I choose girls in any massage shop, I look for eye contact and a smile. If I don't get it, I don't choose her.[/QUOTE]The strange thing was that she smiled and made a lot of eye contact before I picked her. She seemed to like me a lot. I thought about making an exchange, but by the time I knew it would be a bad session, she had already given me a blowjob, and I thought it was too late for an exchange.

One thing I forgot to mention is that she kept looking at her phone during the session. If I had reported that, maybe they would have let me make an exchange.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2063389]The strange thing was that she smiled and made a lot of eye contact before I picked her. She seemed to like me a lot. I thought about making an exchange, but by the time I knew it would be a bad session, she had already given me a blowjob, and I thought it was too late for an exchange.[/QUOTE]The problem with choosing based on smile and eye contact is that some women do that just to hook you into choosing them, not that they want to go with you and give you a good time. At soapies and oilies, I never choose someone without first asking them to sit with me and discuss what we can do in the room. As an example, in Sabai Room in Pattaya, I saw a girl I liked who smiled at me. I asked the papasan to have her come talk to me. She came and I inquired if she spoke English, which she did, and asked her if she kissed. She said no. I told her that I couldn't fuck without kissing but she still said no, so I thanked her and left, probably much to her (and the papasan"s) surprise. However, had I not asked, I probably would have been stuck with a session I didn't want.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2063389]The strange thing was that she smiled and made a lot of eye contact before I picked her. She seemed to like me a lot. I thought about making an exchange, but by the time I knew it would be a bad session, she had already given me a blowjob, and I thought it was too late for an exchange.[/QUOTE]The more a girl plays up to me, the more inclined I an to avoid her if I believe she could be putting on an act.

On other hand if a girl refuses to look at me at all that can be a bad sign. I just prefer girls that act very natural.

My philosophy is I don't want the girl to choose me. OK to give a smile but it does not prove much.

I always used to spend a lot of time watching the expressions as girls chatted to their friends sitting near by. Sometimes character can be read a little. However mostly its a gamble. Much better to have a girl sit and chat with you in a bar, my preferred method.

I have had Soapy girls that were great in the bath but on the bed became very dick scared. Hard to predict sessions really.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2063294]Natty:

I took your advice and visited the Lord yesterday. You're right about the upscale feeling. All the furniture and decorations are very nice and project an aura of elegance. The staff was also very helpful. The girls were very attractive for the most part. There were about 20 to choose from when I was there around 5 pm on Thursday. Of the 20 ladies, two were stunning and I had a hard time making a decision. I finally picked Ning (M-24) whose rate was 5,800 baht. She was young and slim with a very pretty face. I was really excited about my session with her.

In the room, she started drawing the water right away in a tub that had already been half-filled-just as Natty described. I undressed while she got ready. It was with eager anticipation that I got into the tub. That was the high point of the encounter. It was all downhill from there.

I tried to cuddle with her in the tub, but she brushed off my embraces. She had me lay down with my head on the cushion on the tub. She began a very mechanical blowjob.
Out of the tub and into the bed, I tried to hug and kiss her, but she brushed me off. I said OK--no kissing--but she didn't even seem to want to be hugged. She didn't respond to my initiatives, but just took control. She did give me another BJ on the bed, but again it was very mechanical and did not feel very good. By this time, I was having trouble maintaining my erection. (To be fair, I had just had a long, energetic and enjoyable sex session the previous day, so I was not as horny, as I otherwise might have been.).
This was the worst experience I had in Bangkok this trip, and one of the worst experiences I have had in Bangkok. My experiences at LaBelle have been much better.

I'm posting this, so people can see that there's no guarantee of a good session at the Lord. YMMV.

My advice is to avoid the siren song of Ning (M-24) and her price of 5,800 baht. She's certainly a beauty, but not a warm person.[/QUOTE]I am really sorry to hear about your awful experience at the Lord. I gave very high marks to the Lord based on my last 7 romps, but as you and others point out, YMMV. Perhaps I received above average returns at the Lord and my score will revert to the mean in a few more visits. I sure hope not!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2063311]I'm sure this was a case of YMMV. For future, why not end the session and go down to choose again. Ask the staff who is more Farang Friendly. Sometimes asking for this advice goes a long way. When I choose girls in any massage shop, I look for eye contact and a smile. If I don't get it, I don't choose her.[/QUOTE]First I look around for the girls that look good to me. Then I look for eye contact and other signs in body language that indicate the girl would like to be chosen, but I agree with Syzygies that too much effort to attract my attention is not a good sign either.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2063745]The more a girl plays up to me, the more inclined I an to avoid her if I believe she could be putting on an act.
On other hand if a girl refuses to look at me at all that can be a bad sign. I just prefer girls that act very natural. My philosophy is I don't want the girl to choose me. OK to give a smile but it does not prove much.I always used to spend a lot of time watching the expressions as girls chatted to their friends sitting nearby. Sometimes character can be read a little. However mostly its a gamble. Much better to have a girl sit and chat with you in a bar, my preferred method.

I have had Soapy girls that were great in the bath but on the bed became very dick scared. Hard to predict sessions really.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canyon;2063389]The strange thing was that she smiled and made a lot of eye contact before I picked her. She seemed to like me a lot. I thought about making an exchange, but by the time I knew it would be a bad session, she had already given me a blowjob, and I thought it was too late for an exchange.[/QUOTE]There is a point of no return on exchanging a girl. I think by the time you are both naked in the tub and she has your dick in her mouth, it's too late.

So, what to do if you are with a dud and it is too late to exchange her or get your money back?

First, try to turn a reluctant girl on and get her into it. Some guys are good with their fingers. I admit I don't know what I am doing down there with my hands 555. But I am a black belt at oral sex - the subtle art of cunnilingus. Now assuming the girl has a pussy I want to lick which unfortunately a majority of girls do not have IMHO, then proceed slowly, but surely to turn her on. I can't remember how many times this strategy has worked for me and turned around what would have been a mediocre session into something really good. My last such encounter occurred between myself and an 18-year-old street massage girl on Burgos in Makati. She was Miss Reluctant; no DFK, lackluster soapy shower, no nipple licking (me to her). Finally exasperated, I sat up and satirically asked her what she would like me to do and added, "would you like me to lick your pussy?" And to my surprise, the little girl nodded her head up and down and said yes. So, after inspecting her goods, I went downtown and slowly brought her to orgasm. After that I had a passionate, giving, sexy, loving, little Pinay giving her all to make me happy. 40 to 45 minutes later, after many positions and much sweat equity, I came while she was riding me Asian cowgirl and then she collapsed, the little darling on top of me. The point is it turned out to be a great session after a pretty bad start thanks to my getting her sexually aroused.

But what if the girl refuses DATY? Well in this scenario you are pretty much up shit creek without a paddle, unless you want to try the nuclear option. LOL. But before I go into the nuclear option, which is really pretty straight forward, I want to preface it with a little accounting / finance lesson I learned a long time ago about something called a SUNK COST. A sunk cost is something that you paid good money for, but you are never going get what you paid for back or recieve an appropriate return on your investment. It is lost, gone with the wind. So, forget about it. The time is not 10 minutes ago when you paid for the session at the front desk. The time is now in the loom and the question is, do you want to proceed further with a girl that is going to give you a lousy lay, or do you want to just accept your loss and leave, OR do you want to make a new attempt, a new offer in order to get something good in return out of it.

An example of the nuclear option: this happened a couple of years ago when I was in Batam, of all places. I went to one of the local bordellos where they have girls in the back. The deal is you pick a girl in the late morning, pay the all-inclusive fee, and then you have her for next 22 hours and as many shots as you can muster. So, I went to this place and picked a really sexy little Indo spinner and boys, I do mean sexy. She and another girl were the most expensive girls in the place and the price was 800,000 rp ($60). That does not sound like much, but the other girls in the place were 400,000 rp and 600,000 rp and I was paying up for the creme de la creme. Anyway, I asked the one I subsequently chose if she wanted to go with me and she smiled and said yes. So, we go back to my hotel and it is Lackluster Time. Once in the room, the girl had no enthusiasm or passion for anything: 1. No kissing on the lips. 2. We took a brief nonevent shower together. 3 She gave a very perfunctory BBBJ. And 4. I got on top of her gorgeous, sexy body and she was a total starfish, so I started losing my hard on and I pulled out after 5 or 6 minutes. She then looked up inquiringly and asked if I was done. I said yeah and I went alone to wash up in the shower while she turned on her cell phone and got immersed in it.

When I came out of the shower I sat down on the bed next to her. Remember I had the girl for the next 20 hours or so. It was way beyond the point of return. I would have just made a fool out of myself if I had marched the two of us back to her bordello and asked for my money back or an exchange. So, I sat down on the bed next to her and told her I really liked her, and asked her why didn't she like me? She looked up and said, "I like you" and I said ok, but I really like you. Why you no like me as much as I like you? You know, yada yada yada stuff. Then I got the inspiration to go nuclear! So, I say to her, if you make love to me like you really like me, like I am your boyfriend, I will give you a big tip! And she suddenly looks up from her phone and for the 1st time in our relationship she looks truly interested in what I am saying. Her response is, "how much you give me?" and I think rapidly in my head how much I should offer this girl for a really good time. I come back with a 200,000 rp offer. She says, "no, 800,000 rp. " I counter with 400,000 rp ($30) and she agrees, but quickly adds she wants the money up front. I say I cannot and hold firm, but to close the deal I get up and retrieve 400,000 rp from the safe in the closest and show her the money which I place on the dresser next to the TV and I tell her it's hers if you make love to me like I am your boyfriend.

She agrees to the deal and I get back in bed with her, only this time it's like I am with a different girl. She goes down on me and gives me a great, deep mouth BBBJ. After a good long while she comes up and impales herself on my dick and off we go and it was GREAT! So, the end of story is we happily shagged twice under the new arrangement. At around 6 pm I asked her if she wanted to get something to eat and she declined the offer. I thought about letting her stay in the room, while I went out to eat dinner and look around, but I decided to let her go. Two very good, memorable shags from this hottie was fine for me and worth the price. Remember the true cost is not 800,000 + 400,000. The 800,000 rp was a sunk cost. I was never going to get my money's worth from that expenditure. The 400,00 rp was the cost for the great sex romp. It is not a rationalization. It is Cost Accounting 111. I still have some pictures of this little girl and the pictures don't lie. She was hot, so I am glad I went Nuclear on her. LOL. Anyway, that is final option when you are with a sexy girl that is not performing like she should and she refuses to let you lick her pussy because she does not want to get turned on. It's a personal call. I only recommend going nuclear under very specific circumstances, but it is an option and it does work.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2063398]The problem with choosing based on smile and eye contact is that some women do that just to hook you into choosing them, not that they want to go with you and give you a good time. At soapies and oilies, I never choose someone without first asking them to sit with me and discuss what we can do in the room. As an example, in Sabai Room in Pattaya, I saw a girl I liked who smiled at me. I asked the papasan to have her come talk to me. She came and I inquired if she spoke English, which she did, and asked her if she kissed. She said no. I told her that I couldn't fuck without kissing but she still said no, so I thanked her and left, probably much to her (and the papasan"s) surprise. However, had I not asked, I probably would have been stuck with a session I didn't want.[/QUOTE]I think you are right Jimmy. Sitting with a girl you are thinking of taking upstairs and breaking the ice with her before making your final decision is a good idea. In top end Jakarta brothels like Malioboro and Alexis Hotel this type of interaction between participants is encouraged and I always take advantage of it. It works like this: the mamasan will bring 10, 20, 40, or however many girls she has to where you are seated. If you pick a girl or girls, the rest are dismissed and the mamasan or papasan will leave the two or three of you alone for a while. Then she will come back and ask if you have made a decision.

For some reason, this is not how it is done for single customers in BKK soapies per say, but that does not mean you can't do it. You should. Just tell the host or hostess to leave you alone for a while with the girl you have called down from the fishbowl so the two of you can talk. At the Lord, for example, there are plenty of plush chairs and tables scattered around the large lobby so you can order drinks and have semi private conversations. But unlike you, I never discuss specifics with a girl. I feel it harms the vibe I am trying to establish. To each his own.

Had my first ever visit to a Bangkok Oily.

Decided after RTF to try Snow White, a small selection of ladies, but I decided on Gung on website, but she pronounced as Kung.

She is in her 30's, a little chubby (I like ladies with experience) and she has a lovely, lovely smile.

Took me to the room, and went off get her tools of the trade.

Undressed me and then herself (she has twin girls) it shows, but I think motherhood makes women sexier.

Showered together, she cleaned me very sensually and then herself and we went to the bed.

My god! What an amazing blowjob, teabagging the works, working me up to finish with CIM, possibly best BJ I've ever had.

We had a cuddle and a chat (english is basic but she was lovely and friendly, giggled a lot) while I refreshed and then she popped a rubber on with deft skill and we did the beast with two back in multiple positions, missionary, cowboy, reverse cowboy and finally doggystyle whence I finally ripped the johnny off and COB.

We had 15 minutes left so she gave me a pretty good massage before another shower together where she again cleaned me gently.

I had booked an hour 1900 BHT and I tipped her 300, she was really lovely.

WIR? Yes, in fact I saw her the next day just before I flew out (tipped her with my last 500 BHT note, a lot I know but she is a solo mum), just as good if not better (chemistry) got her line, will see her next time in BKK.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2063294]Natty:

I took your advice and visited the Lord yesterday. You're right about the upscale feeling. All the furniture and decorations are very nice and project an aura of elegance. The staff was also very helpful. The girls were very attractive for the most part. There were about 20 to choose from when I was there around 5 pm on Thursday. Of the 20 ladies, two were stunning and I had a hard time making a decision. I finally picked Ning (M-24) whose rate was 5,800 baht. She was young and slim with a very pretty face. I was really excited about my session with her.

In the room, she started drawing the water right away in a tub that had already been half-filled-just as Natty described. I undressed while she got ready. It was with eager anticipation that I got into the tub. That was the high point of the encounter. It was all down hill from there.

I tried to cuddle with her in the tub, but she brushed off my embraces. She had me lay down with my head on the cushion on the tub. She began a very mechanical blowjob. Usually, the BJ is one of my favorite things, but in this case, I didn't really enjoy it. She sucked me, but there was just no feeling behind it. After a while, she started washing me, but again, it was very mechanical and inspired no feeling.

Out of the tub and into the bed, I tried to hug and kiss her, but she brushed me off. I said OK--no kissing--but she didn't even seem to want to be hugged. She didn't respond to my initiatives, but just took control. She did give me another BJ on the bed, but again it was very mechanical and did not feel very good. By this time, I was having trouble maintaining my erection. (To be fair, I had just had a long, energetic and enjoyable sex session the previous day, so I was not as horny, as I otherwise might have been.).

In an effort to get a hard-on, I turned her over on her stomach and placed my cock in the crack on her bottom. This gave me a mild erection. After that, she sucked me some more, I got a little harder, and finally stuck my cock in her pussy. It was not a pleasant experience and I felt that she was just going through the motions. After about an hour in the room, she said we should shower. We were only in the room for 60 minutes, so she definitely shorted me 30 minutes of the agreed 90 minutes.

This was the worst experience I had in Bangkok this trip, and one of the worst experiences I have had in Bangkok. My experiences at LaBelle have been much better.

Natty, I want to make it clear that I'm not blaming you for the bad experience at the Lord. This is only one session with one girl, so it's not a statistically valid sample. I'm just reporting on the disappointing experience. I'm posting this, so people can see that there's no guarantee of a good session at the Lord. YMMV.

My advice is to avoid the siren song of Ning (M-24) and her price of 5,800 baht. She's certainly a beauty, but not a warm person.[/QUOTE]What really amazes me about places like the Lord is that there is even a question about the level of service. At that price point you should have a very good looking gal, who has an amazing skill set and performs like a porn star. And they probably would, if the punters were demanding it. What makes the BKK P4 P scene different from places like HK and Jakarta is the local men in those locales are far more demanding. Look at your phone or don't check off all the boxes at a HK knocking shop then the mamasan will get an earful from the customer. Have a gal working whose body has been completely ravaged by childbirth and the locals just won't put up with it. The average local and foreign punter in Thailand is just not that demanding. And I would say has gotten less and less demanding over the years I have been here. I'd be screaming bloody murder if I would have spent that kind of money and received that type of service. On the other hand, if the gals were all on the same page with the three points I listed above I would have no problem paying that amount. But rolling the dice with that kind of cash? Absolutely not. We at least not for me. I'd rather spend the money on a new pair of Japanese denim.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2063886]...And they probably would, if the punters were demanding it...[/QUOTE]How about giving us some hints how to do that, since you have so much experience in that area. When I had very poor service in the past, I just got up and left. I complained to management at times, but they don't seem to give a damn.

Regarding the Lord, I experienced both, great service and poor service, but I always moved on. No need to cry over spilled milk. What's even worse is that I have no way of knowing ahead of time.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2063886]What makes the BKK P4 P scene different from places like HK and Jakarta is the local men in those locales are far more demanding. Look at your phone or don't check off all the boxes at a HK knocking shop then the mamasan will get an earful from the customer.[/QUOTE]Slightly off-topic, but which place in Jakarta (or HK for that matter) do you think has good service? I tried the likes of King's Cross, Malio and Classic, and they are not at all great in terms of service. They do generally go through all the motions (perhaps because mamasans and customers demand it), but I can't recall having even a single girl who stood out as exceptional or memorable in terms of service in the local-dominated venues in Jakarta.

Thais are generally mellow (avoid complaining), which cuts both ways -- customers may not be as demanding, but then working girls won't complain much either and can put on a decent show of liking you even if they're not so eager.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2063886]I'd be screaming bloody murder if I would have spent that kind of money and received that type of service. On the other hand, if the gals were all on the same page with the three points I listed above I would have no problem paying that amount.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. While chemistry does not always work out, it's not rocket science for a girl to pretend to somewhat like the punter and to at least not give out that off-putting vibe of only wanting to go through her routine uninterrupted. Given the price, it really shouldn't be an issue.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2063923]Absolutely. While chemistry does not always work out, it's not rocket science for a girl to pretend to somewhat like the punter and to at least not give out that off-putting vibe of only wanting to go through her routine uninterrupted. Given the price, it really shouldn't be an issue.[/QUOTE]Really, I don't get it. Any other service or good these folks would be screaming bloody murder if it was high cost and what was delivered mediocre. Restaurant, medical care, car repairs, shoes, pants, etc. But for some reason so many punters in BKK are willing to just say, "oh well" when they walk away from an experience that cost them almost 200 USD. And the providers know this and will continue to get away with as little as they can.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2063922]Slightly off-topic, but which place in Jakarta (or HK for that matter) do you think has good service? I tried the likes of King's Cross, Malio and Classic, and they are not at all great in terms of service. They do generally go through all the motions (perhaps because mamasans and customers demand it), but I can't recall having even a single girl who stood out as exceptional or memorable in terms of service in the local-dominated venues in Jakarta.

Thais are generally mellow (avoid complaining), which cuts both ways -- customers may not be as demanding, but then working girls won't complain much either and can put on a decent show of liking you even if they're not so eager.[/QUOTE]Classic, Travel, etc. Attitudes are good, price is cheap, gals are quite good looking, very few have babies, and for the money the service is fine. When you are paying 1 k Baht or so your expectations are such. Of course Batam in its heyday was pretty great. Always had good attitudes and service from the "joints" or from Sphinx. Also have always found Indo gals to be more open and willing to experiment. They actually seem to enjoy sex; unlike so many Thai gals. Perhaps it is due to monotheism. Sex is still dirty and taboo, so it's fun. Never really run into the out of the shower with a towel shy BS in Indo either. Gals seem very comfortable in their own skin. But Jeez, Jakarta is a beating. Would not want to live there unless I had a great job and excellent expat package.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2063902]How about giving us some hints how to do that, since you have so much experience in that area. When I had very poor service in the past, I just got up and left. I complained to management at times, but they don't seem to give a damn.

Regarding the Lord, I experienced both, great service and poor service, but I always moved on. No need to cry over spilled milk. What's even worse is that I have no way of knowing ahead of time.[/QUOTE]What do I do? Depends on the circumstance. If I am at a massage joint and the gal is disengaged, I will either ask to change gal and if she balks, ask for the mamasan. I'll tell the mamasan exactly what is going on. Usually I am offered another gal. Since I never pay at oilies before the session and I am a regular customer, not ridiculously demanding (I don't look to pound a gal's keister for 90 min), and speak the language, am polite about it, they accommodate me without a problem. Twice at soapies I have had an issue. First time I made the mistake of getting dressed and going out to complain and the papasan just ignored me. Next time I called the papasan to the room and was offered a change of gal. Once at Annie's years ago I had a terrible experience and was given my money back after 15 min in the room. Kudos to them for being fair. I have changed gals when I get upstairs at an oily and the body is too damaged from childbirth. I apologize to the gal but am honest and tell her that just does not work for me. Frankly I am amazed that some of these gals are employed in MPs and oilies. If punters would not accept this, then they would not be.

With FL gals I am very clear about my expectations and if they are not being met then I tell her that I am not mad and that I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with but as stated earlier I expect her to perform like she is with her BF or as if she is in a porn movie, then I simply get up, get dressed, leave 100 or so Baht on the table depending on what transpired and leave. Guys on her are always asking me if I ever have any trouble with the gals complaining about what they are remunerated in this situation and the answer is no. Why? Because I never raise my voice, never lose my temper, and make them the focus. I point out that this was her decision not mine; she has chosen not to provide the service.

At the end of the day it is your hard earned money guys. For me, I expect value for it and if I don't get it I am going to complain whether it is a restaurant meal or a sexual service. We are the customers FFS, the gals aren't doing us a favor. We are paying them; they are not paying us.

[QUOTE=Canyon;2063391]One thing I forgot to mention is that she kept looking at her phone during the session. If I had reported that, maybe they would have let me make an exchange.[/QUOTE]I have have serious issues with ladies checking their phone. If its in the middle of a two hour session when I'm taking a break its ok otherwise I tell (not ask) them to turn it off. I like the point about Sunk cost in Natty's post and I also take into account the lost opportunity cost if you are married, have a girlfriend or may be leaving soon. As I am getting older every shot has value because it takes time to rebuild my "power" so why waste it on a session that clearly turning negative.

For example, I walked out of Addict a couple of months ago after waiting 15 minutes for the girl to get her kit, then a shower as erotic as a carwash, a one minute "massage" squeezing a calf muscle while yawning and a blow job literally lasting all of 10 seconds if that. When she reached for the condom I said "We're finished, I'm out of here". She got visibly upset and said "Mister if you leave now I will have big problem". I replied "Too bad, that's your problem" and left. Her name was CC. I lost the money for 2 hours but was able to salvage the opportunity and not waste a shot and had a nice session at another shop.