American Politics

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2944520]Not trying to sell you or anybody anything other than why the USA has the electoral college. I just offer my point of view and it's up to you and anyone who reads my posts to make up their own mind. As I stated previously I have said my peace on the EC and there isn't anymore significant arguments to make. , but here is one final parting message.

People have been making your arguments for decades and yet the Electoral College is still here. Our nation has some incredibly brilliant individuals working at all of levels of government and if it has been this long we have had the electoral college and we still have not replaced it with a popular vote, there has to be a good reason why. I am sure they have done study after study and both sides have probably always come to the same conclusion. The electoral college is better for Americans and the country than a popular vote.[/QUOTE]The electoral college is still there because it serves the wealthy elite. America was designed to have a government that served the wealthy elite. With the possible exception of a few decades in the 1900's it is done exactly that.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2944534]In case you didn't know this is a thread for American Politics not Euro feminist cuckery, keep your nonsense in the Euro threads where it belongs (espec the Paris one lololol).[/QUOTE]US are not our world, but only small part of our 7 billions people world and Trump is a danger for our world safety. He doesn t want to repeat to lose on a second debate, when he is only able to bullshit, or try to kill democracy and he must be prosecuted for what he led. But for sure, I couldn t understand women voting for such unrespectful with them. I m pretty sure our world don t want Trump again and wish to get rid of Netanyahou and Putin death and then our world will live much more safe than under crazy ones.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944543]And again all the problems you are fiscal decisions not monetary.[/QUOTE]What fiscal decisions?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2944383]Never mind that Trumpty-Dumpty assured us he doesn't kid back when it came to his singular, unrivaled contribution to creating and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic:

[B]'I dont kid: Trump says he wasnt joking about slowing coronavirus testing[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowing-coronavirus-testing-335459[/URL]

We had no idea Trump was so addicted to the low art of sarcasm.

Which now explains his baffling assertions that:

"We had the greatest economy ever"!

"I had the largest inauguration crowd ever"!

"I know all the best words, know and hire all the best people. ".

"Nobody predicted a Pandemic could happen"!

"We've got this under control! It is disappearing! It will go away without a vaccine"!

"The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will pay for itself, increase Real Annual GDP Growth by 4%, 5% or maybe 6% and help make me The Greatest Job-Creating President ever"!

"If Biden wins, there will be a USA Stock Market Crash and Recession the likes of which no one has ever seen"!

"The election was rigged and stolen! I won, by a LOT"!

"If we don't Stop the Steal, you will lose your country"!

"I know you will fight like Hell peacefully and never give up at the Capitol to Stop the Steal so you don't lose your country."

"All over the country immigrants are stealing your pet dogs and cats and eating them but especially in Ohio"!

"Crime in this country today is through the roof"!

And so on.

He was only being sarcastic.[/QUOTE]I used to box many many eons ago, this story reminds me of the phrase "Glass jaw" LMAO.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/world/asia/china-economy-garbage-time.html[/URL]

The CCP has always been a Paper Tiger with a Glass Jaw LMAO.

Allahu Akbar.

Its always been garbage time for the CCP ever buy anything from Amazon.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2944653]What fiscal decisions?[/QUOTE]Where money is spent. Is it going towards infrastructure? Programs that will lead us to full employment? Universal healthcare? Other programs that help the common people thrive economically?

Or is it going towards corporate pork in the very wealthy?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944543]
No what I described is not defaulting. It's paying off the so-called debt. The United States does not need to sell bonds to fund the government. That should definitely cease.[/QUOTE]Goat, you need to study bonds and learn how to buy them individually. I talked to my stock broker and bought individual bonds, he told me he never had a client ever buy individual bonds. It was funny my broker would call up Vinny the Bond Dealer in NYC. It was funny. It was Vinny saying I am giving you 90 for that bond and the other guy would say fuck you 95, and after 10 more FUs, they would make a deal. It cracked me up. I kind of preferred that to the electronic way of trading.

You learn about the qualities of debt first because your number one concern is if a company goes bankrupt and you get stiffed. One fucked up thing is that issuing preferred shares, which is debt, is not counted as debt because a company can stop payment on them. You have unsecured debt which means if a company goes broke, you get nothing. That gets a higher yield typically then secured debt which is debt backed by assets. So you should know all that before you buy a bond. How is the company going to keep up with its bills? And you have ratings agencies, which are not perfect but way better than nothing, assessing as well.

The USA is doing the same thing Japan did. They have the central bank print up currency and buy bonds, but you still have to pay interest on the bonds. So when I am looking at things, I am assessing that you are cheating. You are having the Federal reserve buy bonds to keep rates lower.

So let's knock that out. Instead of having the Fed buy bonds, we are not going to issue them and just print money and tell the ratings agencies to fuck off. We the government are just going to print money. We are not going to go this charade of the Fed buying bonds, we are just going to issue money directly and it will be limited solely by the rate of inflation.

Look at things through the eyes of a debt and currency dealer. You refuse to be constrained by market forces dictating interest rates. You refuse to be judged by credit card agencies. We are just going to print money and the only limit is inflation.

What is the first thing a currency trader or bond holder is going to say? Well, the first thing I would say is who decides what the inflation rate is, and the government has to say, "Well, we do. " At that point, I am like, "Fuck you USA government, I am not playing your game" and I would get out of dollars as quickly as I could and shift to debt instruments that are not paid in dollars because the currency is going to go to shit.

Why? Because the USA government is already lying about the numbers now. Under Biden, it is probably the worst I can recall. Everyone knows they put out a bullshit headline number and then revise it later. They have got it down to an art form. There is a guy running a website called shadowstats. He uses the way the government used to calculate inflation, and it should surprise no one the old way meant way higher rates than what is being reported. With the current censorship rage, this guy's website would be banned.

And just like I said, I am out of any dollar denominated currency, the big boys would reduce theirs. And what happens when you decrease the purchasing power of your currency? You get inflation right? So the very thing you said constrains money printing, inflation, you are going to have happen right away.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/buffetts-vice-chairman-dumps-over-half-his-berkshire-shares[/URL]

One of Buffett's top lieutenant, and Berkshire's vice chair of insurance operations, Ajit Jain, has sold $139 million worth of his Class A shares. More than half of his holdings. In Warren Buffett's conglomerate.

The sale is also consistent with a significant slowdown in Berkshire's share buyback activity as of late, as well as its record liquidation of stock holdings, most notably Apple and Bank of America. Omaha, Nebraska-based Berkshire repurchased just $345 million worth of its own stock in the second quarter, significantly lower than the $2 billion repurchased in each of the prior two quarters.

So Warren Buffett is selling and who is this guy Alit Jain?

Buffett has long praised Jain, saying in 2017 that he's probably made more money for Berkshire than Buffett has: "Ajit has created tens of billions of value for Berkshire shareholders," Buffett wrote in his annual letter in 2017. "If there were ever to be another Ajit and you could swap me for him, don't hesitate. Make the trade!

And what did you say again? Oh yeah, that is the part of the normal business cycle. LOL. Okay, having guys making minimum wage buying million dollar homes in places like California was normal? When stupid shit like that happens, there is price to be paid and it was years before the bill came due. The crash of 2008 was not a part of a normal cycle. Maybe there would have been a pullback but the depth of it was due to absolute stupidity.

And going $10 trillion further in debt and shutting the economy down for two years over a virus with a 0. 2% mortality was not a part of any normal cycle. We heard Fed bullshit speak in 2007 when they said subprime was contained. Now the bullshit is soft landing has been achieved. I agree that the bullshit is a cycle.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944686]Or is it going towards corporate pork in the very wealthy?[/QUOTE]The United States of America is a [B]Plutocracy[/B]. Has been and always will be. There was a period of time when vast infrastructure projects were undertaken to facilitate industry in the United States of America. A side benefit was that common people were able to take advantage of them also in some cases.

If the United States of America remains hostile to BTC / crypto then another important industry will be developed off shore. NVDA's chips are produced in Taiwan. Apples chips are produced in Taiwan. How does that make them American Companies?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2944590]The electoral college is still there because it serves the wealthy elite. America was designed to have a government that served the wealthy elite. With the possible exception of a few decades in the 1900's it is done exactly that.[/QUOTE]How does the EC serve the elite versus a popular vote?

In regards to how America's economy has been designed by the government, of course there is a very real undeniable truth is caters to the wealthy, and that is a good thing.

America's economy and government at times is like the old boxing promoter Don King. Don King ruthlessly took over boxing in terms of promotion. He would sign fighters and guarantee them 4 times more than any other promoter could pay them. He was able to do this by his ability to forge social contacts with wealthy individuals and convince them a strong return on their investment. He had a unique talent for getting people to work together to make the biggest fights. Getting fighters, managers, accountants, trainers, TV exectuives, arena owners to all come together is much harder than you realize. At times he even strong armed and bullied fighters into taking fights that weren't good for their careers. He did what needed to be done to get everyone paid the most in the end and give the fans the fights they needed to see. This is extremely difficult in the open market of boxing. He would also fuck his fighters over and not pay them their guaranteed money on the regular and he justified this by saying, no promoter could even come close to getting these fighters the pay I am paying them even after I steal 25% of what I owe them by contract. So in the end he would only pay 3/4 of what he owed them, but it was still THREE times as much as they would have made with anyone else. Its how he stayed in the game so long. Was he a crook? Or did he do what needed to done and paid himself what he deserved? Its hard to say.

Yes USA caters to the wealthy, but we were the first nation to have a wealthy middle class of home and automobile owners with pensions and a robust economy. We have had our booms and busts, but when you look at the Per Capita GDP, it blows all other countries away. No country with a population over 100 million even comes close, and only a hand full of smaller nations do. Our economy is so strong that even a working class bro can do a side hustle and save enough money to travel to foreign nations and fuck their top talent. Not bad I would say. Yes I would love more equality, but how we get there is not a clear answer.

When the roof of your mansion springs a leak, the solution isn't a tear down and rebuild, just a new roof.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2944579]Sure I get that!

But remember, whether it's yours, mine or anyone else's opinions, facts or reasons that are posted, they will debated, challenged, scrutinized, dissected, praised, glorified, and/or applauded. It's all good, and just a healthy part of having a debate, or giving thanks and gratitude for sharing ideas, info and viewpoints.

As for the your reasoning for the US having an EC, I just happen to disagree with your opinions on the matter. I think you're probably half right about the EC and have said as much, about it being an imperfect system. Historians have always understood that this was a poorly cobbled together section of the constitution, with not enough thought and time having gone into its construction.

If you're done making your case, that's okay, to take solace, in the knowledge, that you've made your case or put your best foot forward, for those to makeup their own minds. [b]I am happy to have exchanged, ideas and opinions.[/b]

I, however, will continue to make my case, just because I know history is not STATIC (ie. Roe v Wade) and there are many sides/holes to the EC, that are being exploited, where insidious and deceptive politics are at play, from Repubs to undermine the will of voters, as they look to supplant or fire election officials and overturn elections.

This is deeply distributing! But the flawed structure of the EC, makes it possible, for one party (the Repubs) to continually pervert democracy and debase the Constitution, for their own ends, because they are failing to win voters at the ballot-box, with their backwards politics and stupid culture-wars.

So no worries, I'll continue "the good fight" (as it were), and you feel free to rejoin the EC conversation at anytime.[/QUOTE]Of course, exercise your first amendment and when I feel the need to offer a different opinion, I will do the same.

Its all a game. Got to play the game and push the rules, but not break them. Democrats did the same thing in 2000 with Al gore and the Florida recount. Well not exactly the same. But my point is, both sides play dirty at times.

No body likes the one guy on the team who is a Sadistic Pyscho until its the 4th quarter and the game is on the line and you need a bad ass mother fucker playin balls to the wall. Both sides get down and dirty when they need to. How many times did they falsely impeach Trump? Fake Russia conspiracy?

While Mainstream Media continues to insist Harris did not get a post-Convention bounce or a post-Debate bounce in their perpetual mission to cast Repubs as crafty winners and Dems as hapless losers, the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site and the 538 site have updated their No Toss Up States, Who is Favored To Win pages and so on as you see in the photos below.

Meanwhile, Trump has bravely and generously announced, "There will be no third debate", no doubt on the premise that he feels so sad that Harris never gets a bounce in these various events where the American people get to see and hear more of him and her.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2944666]I used to box many many eons ago, this story reminds me of the phrase "Glass jaw" LMAO.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/world/asia/china-economy-garbage-time.html[/URL]

The CCP has always been a Paper Tiger with a Glass Jaw LMAO.

Allahu Akbar.

Its always been garbage time for the CCP ever buy anything from Amazon.[/QUOTE]MDS, your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2944800]While Mainstream Media continues to insist Harris did not get a post-Convention bounce or a post-Debate bounce in their perpetual mission to cast Repubs as crafty winners and Dems as hapless losers, the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site and the 538 site have updated their No Toss Up States, Who is Favored To Win pages and so on as you see in the photos below.

Meanwhile, Trump has bravely and generously announced, "There will be no third debate", no doubt on the premise that he feels so sad that Harris never gets a bounce in these various events where the American people get to see and hear more of him and her.[/QUOTE]

Blowouts aren't interesting

Television relies on dramas. If there's no dramas, there's no ratings. They really don't care who wins, only that it keeps going. Boring is how campaigns are supposed to be. When done correctly, administrations should be likened to offensive linemen in the NFL, you shouldn't hear their numbers called because it only means penalties. There are two are actively, unabashedly and transparently representing their business plans, FOXNews and MSNBC. Everyone else is hiding behind the facade of neutrality, when it's really a business. Don't call it mainstream media. It is just legacy media profiteering off of lazy Americans. There will be a day when BS is called out by the media, they're just waiting for the day when it is profitable to do so.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2944749]Of course, exercise your first amendment and when I feel the need to offer a different opinion, I will do the same. [/QUOTE] Yes, that will be good see if you update your opinions, as the times change, national majority values change, norms change and gain momentum for democratic and constitutional push for change in laws, that best fit a changing, more inclusive and more egalitarian democratic society.

But since you only believe information from the people you trust and talk to, for your which to base your opinions on, that should prove interesting, w/r to updating your world views on such subject matters like the EC.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2944749]Its all a game. Got to play the game and push the rules, but not break them. Democrats did the same thing in 2000 with Al gore and the Florida recount. Well not exactly the same. But my point is, both sides play dirty at times. [/QUOTE]Disagree strongly on that, notion! Please explain, your election 2000 example, of [B]"both sides play dirty"?[/B] Although why bring this up as an example, if you think it [B]"not exactly the same"[/B], as you put it? Yes, please elaborate on your bothsidesism of election 2000?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2944749]No body likes the one guy on the team who is a Sadistic Pyscho until its the 4th quarter and the game is on the line and you need a bad ass mother fucker playin balls to the wall. Both sides get down and dirty when they need to. How many times did they falsely impeach Trump? Fake Russia conspiracy?[/QUOTE]Really, Trump was impeached? Please tell me, how was that fake? Or that he was found guilty on 34 felony counts of criminal conduct, by a jury of his peers, fake?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2944972]Yes, that will be good see if you update your opinions, as the times change, national majority values change, norms change and gain momentum for democratic and constitutional push for change in laws, that best fit a changing, more inclusive and more egalitarian democratic society.

But since you only believe information from the people you trust and talk to, for your which to base your opinions on, that should prove interesting, w/r to updating your world views on such subject matters like the EC.

Disagree strongly on that, notion! Please explain, your election 2000 example, of [B]"both sides play dirty"?[/B] Although why bring this up as an example, if you think it [B]"not exactly the same"[/B], as you put it? Yes, please elaborate on your bothsidesism of election 2000?

Really, Trump was impeached? Please tell me, how was that fake? Or that he was found guilty on 34 felony counts of criminal conduct, by a jury of his peers, fake?[/QUOTE]Do you really need to ask questions you already know the answer to LOL?

Both in 2000 and 2016 the results of the elections were challenged. It was no big deal in 2000 and everyone supported double checking Florida just to be safe. Then when Republicans want to challenge election results in 2020, we get labled "a racist conspiracy incel proud boy qnon weirdo and how dare you ever question the results of an election"! It should always be ok to check to make sure elections are legit.

Even in 2016, Democrats ran a months long fake conspiracy that Russia rigged the election for Trump. BTW, it makes absolutely no sense what so ever for Russia to conspire with Trump to rig an Election. What would Russia even have to gain by doing that. It just sounded so stupid the whole time.

Both impeachments are total and complete garbage bullshit. His felony convictions are as well. I am not explaining it because you and anyone who follows politics already know that Republicans believe its a joke Democrats went after him like they did.

Now 2000 and 2020 are a little different because of Jan. 6, and I have stated many times anyone who participated in that is a moron and should be criminally charged.

Again my point is, that both sides play dirty. I believe Democrats have been playing much dirtier since 2016 which was in part a retaliation for how Republicans treated Obama and the shit he had to deal with the birther conspiracy and making it almost impossible for him to get anything done as a President.