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[QUOTE=George03;2033134]Maybe you could rent your hotel for the day before you arrive and tell them you will arrive late?[/QUOTE]This is my current plan, but if it fails, the short time hotel idea it is. Thanks everyone!

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2032798] Sometimes the "gentleman no pressure approach" works really well but the bastos boys (the ones who send pics of their junk etc) never get close to these real girls. Hope yours works out. I think tho you will have lots of bed time.[/QUOTE]The more that time passes, the more I really like this girl. At this point in my life, I miss real romance and connection a lot more than just the physical act of sex itself. We are going to meet in the mall the day we leave for the vacation just to get comfortable. She wants to see a movie. I like your advice to just hold hands a little but keep it gentlemanly. The next night we'll be in a romantic private cottage with waves lapping outside. I can turn up the romance then. We will be together a week. If it took even a couple of days of romancing to get her in bed, that would be sweet in its own way. Thanks for the advice, FF.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2033203]No need for the school uniforms in Manila as I have found a filipina slave in China who happily takes a 2 hour train ride to my place, gets dressed in anything that I tell her too, gives wonderful blow and rims, looks like the innocent English language teacher that she is, but turns into a porn star when I tell her too. . I definately haven't changed and if anything I have probably got way worse. Theres an army of filipinas who are suddenly into whips, ball gags and vibrating eggs since they saw 50 shades and its sequel. One filipina I know in HK asked me to buy her a NEW butt plug for her to use when we next meet. Seems she didn't want to use the one I had suspecting prior useage I think. Thanks Mr Grey!

I'm still going strong Sir Rog! Just find that the gentlemanly approach also reaps rich rewards too.[/QUOTE]50 Shades has opened a new avenue for sure but I tell them that the film is very soft and really a tease so we should try real life LOL. And say I can show you way more fun that 50 Shades LOL.

Good to hear you as perverted (or more) than when we first met.

Had one pinay with a vibrating egg inside her pussy sitting at a restaurant and I asked the waitress to play with the remote control. The waitress did not quite understand what the remote was until the naughty pinay made a few 'purring sounds' then I invited the waitress back to join us.

As for your English teacher in China maybe I should find a reason to visit and show her how to teach.

And each girl should have their own plug and an army of other toys.

Have fun FF.

[QUOTE=Wazoo;2034060]The more that time passes, the more I really like this girl. At this point in my life, I miss real romance and connection a lot more than just the physical act of sex itself. We are going to meet in the mall the day we leave for the vacation just to get comfortable. She wants to see a movie. I like your advice to just hold hands a little but keep it gentlemanly. The next night we'll be in a romantic private cottage with waves lapping outside. I can turn up the romance then. We will be together a week. If it took even a couple of days of romancing to get her in bed, that would be sweet in its own way. Thanks for the advice, FF.[/QUOTE]If you are romancing this special lady for LTR then why even discuss or plan sex within a short period of time? Think about it and discard some advice here. You either want to hold hands with her or not. Don't use it as a ploy. Be in romance instead of romancing. That's my 2 pesos for what ever it is worth.

[QUOTE=Wazoo;2034060]The more that time passes, the more I really like this girl. At this point in my life, I miss real romance and connection a lot more than just the physical act of sex itself. We are going to meet in the mall the day we leave for the vacation just to get comfortable. She wants to see a movie. I like your advice to just hold hands a little but keep it gentlemanly. The next night we'll be in a romantic private cottage with waves lapping outside. I can turn up the romance then. We will be together a week. If it took even a couple of days of romancing to get her in bed, that would be sweet in its own way. Thanks for the advice, FF.[/QUOTE]Was in a similar situation just over a year ago. Knew that most men delude themselves or are deluded by women, and that such relationships typically are doomed before they even start. I was most likely an idiot for feeling this way, but decided to take an entirely new approach this time (feeling a bit jaded and disillusioned after nearly half a century of carefree philandering in Asia, and wondering if there really was such a thing as the "real deal" on an ongoing basis).

From the heart, shared with my new love that she was the one for me and, although I definitely wanted the natural progression of our relationship (sex), she was really special to me. To show my trust and respect, I was placing myself in her hands. That she would be in control of deciding if and when we had sex for the very first time. I promised that, if she would trust me enough to sleep in the same bed, I would not force or even initiate things, that she would be the one to do so. She would be in control of this very important next step, to reciprocate and show her love and commitment to me. No pressures from me along the way.

Well, I kept the promise, and she was the decision maker, who wound up making the right decision. Later, she told me that she was very glad that I kept my promise, which proved to her that I was sincere and also special. It's now over a year later and, although there have been some rocky spots and it hasn't always been easy (that's another story) our relationship continues to grow.

Notwithstanding the advice of a very good old friend in Angeles that he has observed that the "shelf life" (expiration date) of relationships between most Western men and Filipina "keepers" is under 90 days. At some time during this period, many Filipinas will develop an attitude of "entitlement" which kills the relationship, and the man will move on. He himself has been married to a Filipina for a few decades now. Perhaps the exception that proves the rule.

I'm no expert, but think that, in this particular kind of situation, the woman must quickly come to realize that she really likes you and needs you (and vice versa). If she realizes this, and also realizes that she might lose you unless she moves in a reasonably timely manner, then, hopefully, she will make the right decision. If it is to be. If not, then not.

As to how long such a relationship might last, that is again another story. Same or similar dynamics at work maybe, with a few extra wrinkles (pun intended). Am now working on my second year, and thankful for each day "one day at a time".

Of course, each woman (and each man) is unique, and each particular circumstance may differ. There must be a fortuitous combination of the right man and right woman (not a callow young thing who changes her mind every minute, and not an opportunist who will string you along and take disproportionate unfair advantage of you) and the right time for both. Perhaps, with a bit of luck and divine help along the way.

Of course, YMMV.

Just a thought which hopefully might be of some help to you in this particular situation.

OM.

Been reading Manila Forum but doesn't see anything about Wg in or around the casino.

Is it anything like Macau or just casino there?

Thanks for info.

Heritage / Atrium look ok. Any feedback on these? Need something close to EDSA and Jam Beundia Bus Terminus just for one night with bfast?

Is Heriatge ok for just 1 night? Cost about 70 - 90 US. Don't want to stray too far due to traffic.

[QUOTE=HongKongBoy;2035309]Been reading Manila Forum but doesn't see anything about Wg in or around the casino.

Is it anything like Macau or just casino there?

Thanks for info.[/QUOTE]I would bet there are wg in and around casinos. They are probably low key and more expensive as with any casinos. Keep in mind casinos are in the business of gaming and may allow discreet wg as a convenience to their high rollers. As with all gaming venues women and sex come in second place.

Disclaimer. I have never ventured in a Manila casino so these are just my thoughts.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2035340]Heritage / Atrium look ok. Any feedback on these? Need something close to EDSA and Jam Beundia Bus Terminus just for one night with bfast?

Is Heriatge ok for just 1 night? Cost about 70 - 90 US. Don't want to stray too far due to traffic.[/QUOTE]On most hotel booking sites there is a map of the hotel and other hotel locations which you can tell if they are near your destination locations. Also depending on the time of late evening or early morning traffic is not so bad. Sundays are pretty light traffic with Saturday behind it.

Some members like Sogo on EDSA for one night.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2035340]Heritage / Atrium look ok. Any feedback on these? Need something close to EDSA and Jam Beundia Bus Terminus just for one night with bfast?

Is Heriatge ok for just 1 night? Cost about 70 - 90 US. Don't want to stray too far due to traffic.[/QUOTE]I've stayed there a couple of times, but that was a few years ago, and it was fairly shabby even then. The service was adequate, but the place was run down.

GE.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2035340]Heritage / Atrium look ok. Any feedback on these? Need something close to EDSA and Jam Beundia Bus Terminus just for one night with bfast?

Is Heriatge ok for just 1 night? Cost about 70 - 90 US. Don't want to stray too far due to traffic.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Heritage many times. It has worn down from the grandeur over the years. No improvements has been undertaken.

However it is girl friendly with no checks. It used to be easy to pick up from EDSA and walk across. Not now. No girls in the Casino to pick up.

My advice is better to stay in Ermita. Lots of choices. Traffic is not bad considering.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2035340]Heritage / Atrium look ok. Any feedback on these? Need something close to EDSA and Jam Beundia Bus Terminus just for one night with bfast?

Is Heriatge ok for just 1 night? Cost about 70 - 90 US. Don't want to stray too far due to traffic.[/QUOTE]Forget the Heritage, instead go behind it to find a very private and safe place to stay whether long or short term. Singaporean owned, A1 service, unmarked car service and decent food available 24/7 delivered to your door! Cuneta branch:[URL]http://www.victoriacourt.biz/captivate/[/URL].

[QUOTE=BukoMax;2035597]Forget the Heritage, instead go behind it to find a very private and safe place to stay whether long or short term. Singaporean owned, A1 service, unmarked car service and decent food available 24/7 delivered to your door! Cuneta branch:[URL]http://www.victoriacourt.biz/captivate/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Can vouch for Victoria Court.

When travelling in / out of VC I also notice lots of other drive-in hotels in the same area.

[QUOTE=Omega3;2034270]Was in a similar situation just over a year ago...OM.[/QUOTE]Omega,

I truly appreciate your well-written and thoughtful post. I have no idea what this young lady is wanting from the relationship beyond friendship and a vacation. She seems thoroughly decent, has a good job, has never asked for a cent beyond the travel itself. I was trying to remember when the last time was that I even experienced the slow exploration and trust-building of a real dating relationship. Decades? For convenience sake, most of my dalliances have been of the type that sex is a given, and often with a clock ticking. I'm traveling to the land where it's practically impossible to not to score with even half an effort, and yet I'm most excited about the one that is most uncertain, and thus most real.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2035340]Heritage / Atrium look ok. Any feedback on these? Need something close to EDSA and Jam Beundia Bus Terminus just for one night with bfast?

Is Heriatge ok for just 1 night? Cost about 70 - 90 US. Don't want to stray too far due to traffic.[/QUOTE]Heritage always asked for the girls ID and would hold it until she leaves. There is a pedestrian overpass that allows you to cross over the busy highway and get to EDSA Entertainment in 10-12 minutes. But as others have said, it is becoming run down. Look into Midas Casino which is also within walking distance; if it is within $20 of Heritage, I'd go with that. It also has an ATM for your bar fining experience. With Heritage, you have to walk about 5 minutes in the opposite direction for an ATM.

Both hotels are in close proximity to Mall of Asia.

Disclaimer. I've never stayed at Midas but all the girls recommend it over Heritage.