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[QUOTE=DavidJung;1891350]

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.
[/QUOTE]Your age and looks makes little difference, assuming you are not a geezer and have bad hygiene. I met two sisters at DLux and a girl at Shooters, they were smart enough to know not to bring up the issue of money and present themselves as prostitutes. They knew I would feel like one fucking ugly American if I didn't share something afterwards. Your youth and nice looks would probably be avoided by a dev whose end game is ultimately money.

[QUOTE=SgtBoyle2;1890127]Gents,

Forgive me if I defer giving out the lady's details for now. I am due back in Kiev at the end of the month and I wouldn't want to find that she's been swept away by a torrent of other mongers.

If you PM me in July I will oblige.[/QUOTE][URL]https://vk.com/id333567496[/URL]

My friend fuck this madam. 18 age. Have friend-girl 20 or 21 age. But no CIM, no anal. Blowjob only with condom. Blowjob for local gays 400 in condom. Classic sex 800 uah. Hour. Friend say girl bit strange and stupid and arrogant. But body no bad yet.

When I be in Kiev maybe send her sms.

[QUOTE=DavidJung;1891350]Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much.

I always tried my best on each girl I meet and never treated them as a prostitute. Maybe you guys just laugh at me and regard me as a bullshit lier. But I really don't care about what you guys said. I just wanted to share all my experience with you guys. Because I was been very helped for many other destinations.

You are right, if your age is over 40, 50 and ugly fat monster, you should spend more to make them happy. But I'm not the case.

I can share more detailed information if you guys need it. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The reasons why I and others are skeptical about parts of your reports is because of the quantity of the girls you say you met and the extent of the services you say they provided.

Your report does not really identify the source of your girls beyond Mamba. Having used Mamba for many years I am astounded that you say that you were able to amass over a 100 contacts before arriving in Kiev. The time involved in establishing such contacts would be considerable. Your success in doing so would have nothing to do with your looks or age as all girls would assume that your profile was false until they met you. Whilst it might be possible to attract such interest by simply offering large sums of money your post does not suggest you did that indeed you seem to have eschewed the more obvious working girls and to have actually paid at the very lowest end of the scale.

In the case of the services you say were provided, I have always found Kiev girls to be particularly conscious of and careful about STDs and unwanted pregnancies. They are more careful than working girls in London and this extends to girls from Mamba, clubs and brothels. Given the state of their health service and the complete absence of any proper system of social security you can understand why they are so worried. For them HIV is a death sentence, while a child spells poverty and loneliness as they struggle to get by as a single mum.

Young fit Ukrainian guys have so much choice they are not likely to marry a girl who already has somebody else's kid.

The idea that they would therefore risk so much for so little money seems extraordinary and is not explained by your alleged youth or good looks. Few Ukrainian girls would allow themselves to be swept off their feet by even a 20 year old male model who speaks Russian let alone a foreigner in his 30's who is careful with his money and yet you say so many of them were.

I have been visiting Kiev for more than 5 years and have acquired at least one LTR and been offered others and I can assure you that one of the principal and acknowledged differences between Ukrainian women and their western counterparts is that they are more level headed even cynical when it comes to men. Time and again women in Kiev have told me that they don't care about age or looks. What they want is a man who will provide for them, treat them nicely and hopefully show them some respect and even affection. The idea therefore that so many of them would risk all for a few thousand hyrvnia strikes me and I suspect many other members as unbelievable.

I am sorry to have to take issue in this way and would normally say that we are all entitled to our own fantasies, indeed in one sense this site is all about fantasies. However your posts give a completely misleading approach that could damage the chances of other mongers.

Yes you can get lucky sometimes but if you do then my advice to those who read this is (1) be generous (not ridiculously so) and never show you care about as little as 2000 hryvnia (even if you do) because if you do they'll think you're cheap or worse still poor (2) be respectful and don't start trying to practice unsafe sex on a first meeting (take your pleasures to the extent and in the form agreed)(3) be interesting by taking them to places they've never been to before and showing them a little luxury (you really don't have to spend much) (4) be more than a one night stand by offering them the possibility of further meetings, foreign travel or even an LTR and sponsorship (you may not actually do it but talking about it at least makes it led of a "wham, bang thank you mam" experience for them).

Finally I'd just like to say that if you really did have unprotected vaginal and anal sex with that many women in Kiev then (if you'll forgive the English sense of humor) you really are one a tool!

[QUOTE=Riina;1891568]Your age and looks makes little difference, assuming you are not a geezer and have bad hygiene...... Your youth and nice looks would probably be avoided by a dev whose end game is ultimately money.[/QUOTE]Riina, I'm not sure I understand what you wrote and I'm very interested to know what you meant by that. Were you trying to say that being younger and good actually looking hurts one's chances of getting laid in Ukraine?

I don't know this guy. Don't know what he wrote were true or not. But my personal experience is similar to his. Perhaps it's down to our similarity in age and I guess better looks, whatever that means.

I honestly can't imagine I can do what I am doing if I were much older, or looked much older or heavier. I can actually blend in on Uni campus. I also don't look out of place walking down the street with studentka. Otherwise they wouldn't be comfortable be seen with me by their classmates, professors, friends.

Most of the posts on this board are real I feel. They might differ greatly but they simply reflect the experience and perspective of each individual poster.

And no. I'm not bragging. In fact, it sucks now punting in Russia or Ukraine. It was much much easier 10 years ago. Sometimes I feel like crying how bad the situation has become. If any of you had experienced the good old days, you'd feel like crying now, too. It's dreadful now. But there is no other country better than Rus / Ua.

[QUOTE=DavidJung;1891350]Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much..[/QUOTE]Your aspect count zero. They are prostitute. As I said, normal girl don't go for money or arrange meeting for money. You can tell college girl but they just come with you like they do with many other.

Man, of all age and weight.

As is said your report count nothing, is a fairy tell who don't add nothing to the four,. You just contacted thousand of girl in mamba, get 20 answer and pay 10- the police who come and said is my first time, is all bullshit, if it's true.

You should simply post the link of those girl so other monger can enjoy if anything is true. Without link I don't believe practically nothing.

And if you get bareback good luck to you. My friend went to a cute girl who said all bad bad. He sucked only is cock and he got an infection back home that lasted for months. Burning penis for days.

Boyle, you wrote that girls are more level headed than their counterparts in Western Europe.

Well, yes and no. Just like everything in Russia, they tend to swing to both extreme sides. Yes the girls are practical and realistic, because if they don't choose a man wisely, the consequences can be dire. Lack of social security protection, etc.

On the other hand, they can also be so naive or pure. They believe that the boys (yes, they just young boys) they meet while they are in high school or university love them. Well the boys just want to fuck them. We know that but the girls don't. Their heads are filled with flowers and romantic dreams. They like to say it's "lubov". So the girls get married and get knocked up between the ages of 18-22. Then then get cheated on, dumped and become single mothers. This is when they wise up and become cynical. Unfortunately we foreign punters tend to get involved with this lot. Because they're the ones on Mamba or wherever. The sweetest and simplest girls are taken off the market at a very young age by local guys already.

There is s book I highly recommend you perverts to read. It's called Bang Ukraine. The author did a good job describing Ukrainian society, girls and dating dynamics in the country. Getting laid is not easy. It's hard work and we need all the tools we can get.

[QUOTE=JonathanPine;1891646]Were you trying to say that being younger and good actually looking hurts one's chances of getting laid in Ukraine?[/QUOTE]If cash is the motivator, yes.

If you like Sinny girl you can try: [URL]http://wamba.com/mb766530946?hit=3.[/URL] Not cheap but very passionate.

[QUOTE=JonathanPine;1891945]Boyle, you wrote that girls are more level headed than their counterparts in Western Europe.

Well, yes and no. Just like everything in Russia, they tend to swing to both extreme sides. Yes the girls are practical and realistic, because if they don't choose a man wisely, the consequences can be dire. Lack of social security protection, etc.

On the other hand, they can also be so naive or pure. They believe that the boys (yes, they just young boys) they meet while they are in high school or university love them. Well the boys just want to fuck them. We know that but the girls don't. Their heads are filled with flowers and romantic dreams. They like to say it's "lubov". So the girls get married and get knocked up between the ages of 18-22. Then then get cheated on, dumped and become single mothers. This is when they wise up and become cynical. Unfortunately we foreign punters tend to get involved with this lot. Because they're the ones on Mamba or wherever. The sweetest and simplest girls are taken off the market at a very young age by local guys already.

There is s book I highly recommend you perverts to read. It's called Bang Ukraine. The author did a good job describing Ukrainian society, girls and dating dynamics in the country. Getting laid is not easy. It's hard work and we need all the tools we can get.[/QUOTE]The distinction you draw is a valid and important one. Many of the girls I meet are young single mums for the very reasons you state.

My point is that dear Mr Jung is most unlikely to have "caught them while they're young" let alone in the numbers he suggests. As I think we both agree, the naive 18 to 20 year old cannot be got on the internet (let alone in their 100's) they are the preserve of locals and those mongers who speak Russian and spend long periods of time in Kiev. They are difficult to catch other than by serious offers of LTR or even marriage.

I wrote my post in the hope that new mongers reading this forum would not be led into thinking that if they're 30, wear smart clothes and are prepared to spend a very few thousand hyrvnia they can expect all the young virgins of Kiev to instantly drop their knickers and start having unprotected sex. We both know that ain't going to happen and thinking it will can only cause disappointment.

Hope to have a drink with you one day.

[QUOTE=Tomek123;1891136]And then a lot of guys ask here in the forum-why the Ukrainian chickens have become so accessible and so bad to foreigners? I was here in 2008 and fucked 9-10 and now even 5-6 does not want to have kontakt. What's hell happened?

You spoil the reputation of all-important for as. Is like you there is a stereotype of an foreigner, dirty, deceitful low level man, who considers every dollar.

Your action is a shame even to Ukrainian bandit. Ukrainian even a thief or a bandit will feel ashamed of such an action. In the East of greed against women it is the most shameful for a man. Greed man in Russia..[/QUOTE]Local guys have much worse reputation than foreigners, at least ones from Western countries. You guys want to know why the girls are so cynical? Because they are the products of the environment! Just look at the local guys! Just look at their fathers!! Oops sorry, I forgot. They don't have fathers! A generation of young girls without fathers! Of course the girls are cynical because they don't want to end up like their mothers! Local guys lie and cheat and do all sorts of nasty things. They make us Western guys look like Boy Scouts I kid you not!

So of course the girls are so cynical and don't believe anything guys say.

It's the local guys fucking things up for us, not the other way around. We're the good guys and the world's police, LOL. Just kidding!

[QUOTE=CumerBareback;1892036]If you like Sinny girl you can try: [URL]http://wamba.com/mb766530946?hit=3.[/URL] Not cheap but very passionate.[/QUOTE]What price does she ask?

[QUOTE=JonathanPine;1891945]Boyle, you wrote that girls are more level headed than their counterparts in Western Europe.

Well, yes and no. Just like everything in Russia, they tend to swing to both extreme sides. Yes the girls are practical and realistic, because if they don't choose a man wisely, the consequences can be dire. Lack of social security protection, etc.

On the other hand, they can also be so naive or pure. They believe that the boys (yes, they just young boys) they meet while they are in high school or university love them. Well the boys just want to fuck them. We know that but the girls don't. Their heads are filled with flowers and romantic dreams. They like to say it's "lubov". So the girls get married and get knocked up between the ages of 18-22. Then then get cheated on, dumped and become single mothers. This is when they wise up and become cynical. Unfortunately we foreign punters tend to get involved with this lot. Because they're the ones on Mamba or wherever. The sweetest and simplest girls are taken off the market at a very young age by local guys already.

There is s book I highly recommend you perverts to read. It's called Bang Ukraine. The author did a good job describing Ukrainian society, girls and dating dynamics in the country. Getting laid is not easy. It's hard work and we need all the tools we can get.[/QUOTE]Why do you keep referring here to Russian girls on Kiev thread? They are very different people, you should know that.

-I read 1000 graven or 1500 are considered by many here few money. Are you serious? The problem in Kiev is many foreigner goes to Kiev and pour 2000 3000 gryvna for every pussy even village girl. 1000 gryvna is enough for many girl. Salary in Kiev are 3000 for shop assistant. 6000 bank office. And you think 1000 gryvna for a pair of hours is " malo". Craziness.

Said this I stay in Kiev long period and so I cannot pay every day 2000 gryvna. I sponsor some have many girlfriend collected with time, that are much beautiful than what I see in mamba, and most of them never asked any money or gift. But you need time to make this friendship.

Speaking about the post of Dr. Jung. In mamba nowadays is even difficult find a 5 6 agree for 40 dollar. I am 36 very good looking with good portfolio of photos, so if what Jung said should bang easily hundred of girls. So I wrote many message to young girl. Few answered not many. Very few talked about sex and not even the youngest or the cutest. Pretty normal girl. 6 6,5 in Kiev scale.

One village girl short not great shape cute face said to me " 1000 gryvna is malo". She had photo she live in run down apartment. 1000 gryvna she will earn in 2 weeks of job in future. But she think she's worth more. Second girl is older, big ass, normal face, attitude of a supermodel, I said 50 euro hour. She answered " take for your whiskey".

This is to say that hundreds of contact, 18 model girl, who come to appointment, agree to fuck for 1000 graven with bareback anal come in mouth swallow and all for multiple hour It's a complete BS. And will only have the effect to attract people who will be heavily disappointed. Kiev needs time to discover the real gem, student mostly from outside Kiev, few days stay home my suggestion.

[QUOTE=How14;1892444]Why do you keep referring here to Russian girls on Kiev thread? They are very different people, you should know that.[/QUOTE]Same type. They earn more and for this more freedom to choice but most of them as Ukrainian only look for money and gift. It's Soviet mentality. Every Ukrainian guy will tell you exactly this. So who are you to deny this?