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[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2797717]For the most part your thesis is crap. Belongs somewhere else.[/QUOTE]It's a great thesis that belongs exactly where it is. I forgot to add that the sex industries in Brazil and Colombia will also be beneficiaries of global conflict. Let us here remember the words of Zeno- "Steel your sensibilities, so that life shall hurt you as little as possible. ".
Probably a well-trodden topic, but I would appreciate you guys' input. Putting it in general info since it's not really just a Manila neighborhoods question.
Going back to Manila in June for a pure two-week fuck trip. Went for the first time this January and stayed in both Malate and Makati but was traveling with a non-mongering friend so I could not focus fully on the hobby. Both Malate and Makati had pros and cons: I liked the more rough-and-tumble vibe of Malate as well as the fact that it feels like it's more spread out; however, PL girls were less willing to book a moto / taxi to Malate (perceived danger / more distance). Makati: easier to get PL girls to come; more expensive and feels limited to basically just P Burgos St. And a few side streets.
My general modus operandi so far has been PL, with what I consider good success. Plenty of cute 18 and 19-year olds. For the upcoming trip, I will however make sure to screen for whether they have had babies. Sure it's going to limit the pickings, but it's worth it, I think.
I am open to the concept of picking up girls in malls or on the street (whether civilians or freelancers), but honestly the bar scene does not appeal that much to me: too loud, too crowded etc. Big Apple in Puerto Galera was kind of bearable, being more spread out and semi-open air.
One thing I hunted a bit for in both Malate and Makati in January was "anything goes" massage parlors, but I did not really find anything worthwhile. Went to one place on Pedro Gil St directly opposite Robinsons Mall, but there were no extras on offer at all. Found a few places off the side streets of P Burgos but the girls were too old and offered services only with a condom at outrageous prices.
My concrete questions are:
1) How would I go about finding more exciting massage places? Taxi drivers?
2) Am I right in thinking I should just stay in Malate and be better at convincing the girls to come there?
3) Are there any good hunting grounds that are not in the traditional monger areas, I. E. Malate and Makati?
4) Is Cebu viable for a two-week PL-based sex trip?
As always, many thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800217]...stayed in both Malate and Makati but was traveling with a non-mongering friend so I could not focus fully on the hobby....[/QUOTE]Get rid of them. No one needs negativity in their lives. 😜.
G.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800217]
My concrete questions are:
1) How would I go about finding more exciting massage places? Taxi drivers?
2) Am I right in thinking I should just stay in Malate and be better at convincing the girls to come there?
3) Are there any good hunting grounds that are not in the traditional monger areas, I. E. Malate and Makati?
4) Is Cebu viable for a two-week PL-based sex trip?
As always, many thanks in advance![/QUOTE]1/. It really is trial and error. I'd agree that there are many places that will not offer extras to a stranger who they haven't met before. Taxi drivers know everywhere but they will ask the shops for a spotters fee which will be passed onto you. There are lots of outcall massage services online.
2/. YMMV but I prefer Makati. Lots to see and do during the day; easy for girls to get to; lots of shop assistants if you have some game; generally safe (r) night and day. Downsides are: many malls are higher end so don't just walk up to any customer and ask for a BJ; more expensive; a high percentage of the club's are noisy, smoky etc.
3/. Have you considered Bonificio Global City: nice area and the restau-bars are much more relaxed.
4/. Cebu: online capital of PI; many girl come for legitimate and illegitimate work from all over; lots of see and do day and night; all levels of entertainment widely available; many places nearby for a day trip / weekend; sun, beaches, diving; like for like cheaper than MNL. The negatives: the gogo bars truely suck; traffic and therefore girl travel times can be outrageous.
Enjoy. G.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800217]Probably a well-trodden topic, but I would appreciate you guys' input. Putting it in general info since it's not really just a Manila neighborhoods question.
1) How would I go about finding more exciting massage places? Taxi drivers?
2) Am I right in thinking I should just stay in Malate and be better at convincing the girls to come there?
3) Are there any good hunting grounds that are not in the traditional monger areas, I. E. Malate and Makati?
4) Is Cebu viable for a two-week PL-based sex trip?
As always, many thanks in advance![/QUOTE]-Taxi drivers will want to take you to casa's or gentlemen clubs (their cut is bigger there). If you got the cash to spend, then it is sometimes worth it for the experience. Actually just search for massage online and you will find many. Or walk around and wait for the first tout that dose not totally offend you and use him. Or turn on any app with location.
-Getting girls to commute to malate is not the easiest. Most think it is a not safe place to go, plus it is not really close to any rail. Most girls will get off at Pedro and will have to walk down quite a bit, and they generally don't like to do that especially when they think the area is not that safe. If you want the girls to commute, then I would suggest somewhere along the rail between cubao to trinoma.
-I am not exactly sure I understand this? Specifically, but if you are talking about freelancers and the like, then Makati is way better finding things on the street and in around the area. All the local bars and casa's are gone or moved from malate, there is only LA Cafe. Harrisons is gone, and Robinsons selection (unless things have changed) is horrendous.
-Yes. But like always you need a 2 week headstart, and backup on top of backup on top of backup and then a few more.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2800235]1/. It really is trial and error. I'd agree that there are many places that will not offer extras to a stranger who they haven't met before. Taxi drivers know everywhere but they will ask the shops for a spotters fee which will be passed onto you. There are lots of outcall massage services online.
2/. YMMV but I prefer Makati. Lots to see and do during the day; easy for girls to get to; lots of shop assistants if you have some game; generally safe (r) night and day. Downsides are: many malls are higher end so don't just walk up to any customer and ask for a BJ; more expensive; a high percentage of the club's are noisy, smoky etc.
3/. Have you considered Bonificio Global City: nice area and the restau-bars are much more relaxed.
4/. Cebu: online capital of PI; many girl come for legitimate and illegitimate work from all over; lots of see and do day and night; all levels of entertainment widely available; many places nearby for a day trip / weekend; sun, beaches, diving; like for like cheaper than MNL. The negatives: the gogo bars truely suck; traffic and therefore girl travel times can be outrageous.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]1: I was actually thinking of befriending a taxi driver or two to see where that leads, if that is advisable. Not really into outcall massages.
2: I never made it to Ayala / Greenbelt on my last trip, only Robinsons and Century City on Kalayaan Ave. I did however go to some of the Chinese low-end malls in Chinatown. I wonder if these could provide anything.
3: Not really. I spent a few hours there but it seems rather corporate and devoid of people. To be honest I think I prefer being right in the middle of the action despite not really participating in the bar experience.
4: "online capital of PI" - saw that exact phrase used when I was browsing the forums. What makes me hesistant is that it is a considerably smaller place than Manila, so statistically, the odds of finding a willing 18-year-old on PL are less good. I think this perception comes from my experience in Phuket and BKK in Dec 2021: in Phuket, I found one (18-year-old girl. She was amazing. Easily the best fuck of the trip. But BKK offered nearly limitless quantities of these girls.
[QUOTE=Transporter;2800254]-Taxi drivers will want to take you to casa's or gentlemen clubs (their cut is bigger there). If you got the cash to spend, then it is sometimes worth it for the experience. Actually just search for massage online and you will find many. Or walk around and wait for the first tout that dose not totally offend you and use him. Or turn on any app with location.
-Getting girls to commute to malate is not the easiest. Most think it is a not safe place to go, plus it is not really close to any rail. Most girls will get off at Pedro and will have to walk down quite a bit, and they generally don't like to do that especially when they think the area is not that safe. If you want the girls to commute, then I would suggest somewhere along the rail between cubao to trinoma.
-I am not exactly sure I understand this? Specifically, but if you are talking about freelancers and the like, then Makati is way better finding things on the street and in around the area. All the local bars and casa's are gone or moved from malate, there is only LA Cafe. Harrisons is gone, and Robinsons selection (unless things have changed) is horrendous.
-Yes. But like always you need a 2 week headstart, and backup on top of backup on top of backup and then a few more.[/QUOTE]1: Have I understood correctly that a casa is basically just a brothel. Do they cater to locals? I can imagine gentlemen's clubs could be expensive if they cater to the PH elite, but how about casas? Are we still talking reasonable (P1500-5000) prices? I will try talking to some touts to see if I can locate some massage places. Apps with location: I know the WeChat nearby feature but didn't try it in PH. Do WhatsApp and Telegram have similar features?
2: Basically all of my girls came by moto / taxi. A few claimed it was too far or wanted upfront cash (these were thrown into the discard pile). Regarding a place between Cubao and Trinoma: would it really make sense to find a place all the way up near Quezon City? I know girls are everywhere, but it seems like it would be a bit out of the way. In either case, I will try to offer girls to come pick them up if they seem serious enough.
3: Yeah, I was not impressed with the freelancers I saw in Robinsons either. There were a shit ton of touts on Mabini St at night though. I guess I will have to explore Makati some more to see if I can find some gems.
4: Two week headstart meaning going on PL two weeks before, building connections and setting appointments? I thought about it and did it to a minor extent on the previous trip (activated PL during my layover in Turkey and started sorting through the girls), which worked out to the extent that I did get laid the same night I landed in Manila. Basically what I'm worried about is chatting too much with girls and leaving the impression that I'm there for love. I normally follow the advice given here that freelancer girls are fickle creatures that mostly plan a few hours ahead. This quality also lead me to set up multiple appointments with girls for the same time slot, so to speak, as a few were bound to fall through anyway.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800364]1: I was actually thinking of befriending a taxi driver or two to see where that leads, if that is advisable. Not really into outcall massages.
1: Have I understood correctly that a casa is basically just a brothel. Do they cater to locals? I can imagine gentlemen's clubs could be expensive if they cater to the PH elite, but how about casas? Are we still talking reasonable (P1500-5000) prices? I will try talking to some touts to see if I can locate some massage places. Apps with location: I know the WeChat nearby feature but didn't try it in PH. Do WhatsApp and Telegram have similar features?
2: Basically all of my girls came by moto / taxi. A few claimed it was too far or wanted upfront cash (these were thrown into the discard pile). Regarding a place between Cubao and Trinoma: would it really make sense to find a place all the way up near Quezon City? I know girls are everywhere, but it seems like it would be a bit out of the way. In either case, I will try to offer girls to come pick them up if they seem serious enough.
3: Yeah, I was not impressed with the freelancers I saw in Robinsons either. There were a shit ton of touts on Mabini St at night though. I guess I will have to explore Makati some more to see if I can find some gems.
4: Two week headstart meaning going on PL two weeks before, building connections and setting appointments? I thought about it and did it to a minor extent on the previous trip (activated PL during my layover in Turkey and started sorting through the girls), which worked out to the extent that I did get laid the same night I landed in Manila. Basically what I'm worried about is chatting too much with girls and leaving the impression that I'm there for love. I normally follow the advice given here that freelancer girls are fickle creatures that mostly plan a few hours ahead. This quality also lead me to set up multiple appointments with girls for the same time slot, so to speak, as a few were bound to fall through anyway.[/QUOTE]-Befriending a driver is always a good strat, it is one I still use when exploring a new town. Casas' will serve anyone with pesos and I have seen them as low as 1. 5 and as high as 5 (but I have not been to one in since covid, so I would expect it to be much higher now) G clubs start at about 7. 5. Both will require a good amount of tipping (at least the first time you go) until you get everyones business cards, and make a few friends, after that you can just phone your order in.
-Their last leg may have been moto / taxi. If they are close, just send them a grab. If you get your 2 week head start, you will figure out where most of the girls are coming from. If they are mostly in the south, then you want to stay near Buendia / PITX as they will be coming by bus. If they are coming from the north, then something central on the rail line would be best. QC is awesome (if you can stand the damn traffic). There is a lot of action in QC but it is not all that convenient because of the traffic.
--You could just go the easy route, and jet up to AC.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800364]Apps with location: I know the WeChat nearby feature but didn't try it in PH. Do WhatsApp and Telegram have similar features?.[/QUOTE]Wechat is largely pointless in PI. Of the apps that are widely used, Tinder has the best 'near me' feature.
[QUOTE=Transporter;2800412]-Befriending a driver is always a good strat, it is one I still use when exploring a new town. Casas' will serve anyone with pesos and I have seen them as low as 1. 5 and as high as 5 (but I have not been to one in since covid, so I would expect it to be much higher now) G clubs start at about 7. 5. Both will require a good amount of tipping (at least the first time you go) until you get everyones business cards, and make a few friends, after that you can just phone your order in.
-Their last leg may have been moto / taxi. If they are close, just send them a grab. If you get your 2 week head start, you will figure out where most of the girls are coming from. If they are mostly in the south, then you want to stay near Buendia / PITX as they will be coming by bus. If they are coming from the north, then something central on the rail line would be best. QC is awesome (if you can stand the damn traffic). There is a lot of action in QC but it is not all that convenient because of the traffic.
--You could just go the easy route, and jet up to AC.[/QUOTE]I guess I will try befriending taxi drivers. I guess I have just always been too much of a chicken to really pursue street contacts. By the time I started mongering, the game had already moved online in my home country.
I don't recall asking all the girls where they were from, but they seemed to be able to get to me in around 30-40 minutes. I may have sorted out the ones +20 km away, since I figured the odds of them coming would be low anyway.
Regarding AC: Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I have this perception that AC and Pattaya are full of hardened hookers, even compared to the the big cities. Most young PL / TF freelancers in Manila / BKK just seem be poor girls who need money, not professionals as such (though obviously some are).
[QUOTE=Goferring;2800490]Wechat is largely pointless in PI. Of the apps that are widely used, Tinder has the best 'near me' feature.[/QUOTE]I had a weird experience with Tinder last time I went. I try to separate off my mongering adventures from my main gmail as much as possible, so I have a dedicated email for these activities. I also used the same email for TF for my 2021 Thailand trip. This time though, when I set up the account again for my PH trip, it was deleted within a few hours after I had just swiped a bit, with no explanation from Tinder. I had not even started chatting with anyone.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800518]Regarding AC: Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I have this perception that AC and Pattaya are full of hardened hookers, [/QUOTE]They are, if you only use Walking Street gogos for pickups. Like Pattaya, AC also has streetwalkers, shop assistants, online, girls you meet through the day. Pick your poison.
Note that AC is much smaller than Pattaya, with far less legitimate activities to pass the day though.
Enjoy. G.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800518]I had a weird experience with Tinder last time I went. I try to separate off my mongering adventures from my main gmail as much as possible, so I have a dedicated email for these activities. I also used the same email for TF for my 2021 Thailand trip. This time though, when I set up the account again for my PH trip, it was deleted within a few hours after I had just swiped a bit, with no explanation from Tinder. I had not even started chatting with anyone.[/QUOTE]Were you using a VPN & foreign server? Not Tinder, but I was once banned from another app shortly after returning home. My home IP didn't match my profile setting saying I was still in PI.
It was cleared up with a call to customer service but it's proof that they do monitor and act on scammers and profile errors.
Enjoy. G.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2800540]They are, if you only use Walking Street gogos for pickups. Like Pattaya, AC also has streetwalkers, shop assistants, online, girls you meet through the day. Pick your poison.
Note that AC is much smaller than Pattaya, with far less legitimate activities to pass the day though.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Well, online / PL being my primary game, it could be somewhat different. Still, Manila girls have been sweet enough so far even though I am of course tempted by the promise of true provincial innocence.
I could honestly just read books while waiting for the refractory period to be over.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2800544]Were you using a VPN & foreign server? Not Tinder, but I was once banned from another app shortly after returning home. My home IP didn't match my profile setting saying I was still in PI.
It was cleared up with a call to customer service but it's proof that they do monitor and act on scammers and profile errors.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I cannot remember, and I would like to have Tinder available for the next trip. Don't know exactly what I'll do. Maybe contest the ban / account deletion.
I have another question for you experienced PH-hands: what counts as "the provinces" and how do I access this grotto of untouched beauties? Seriously considering purchasing ISG premium in the upcoming months if this is a topic best discussed on the ground.
Again, cheers and thanks to all who have trodden these paths before me.
[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2800802]Well, online / PL being my primary game, it could be somewhat different. Still, Manila girls have been sweet enough so far even though I am of course tempted by the promise of true provincial innocence.
I could honestly just read books while waiting for the refractory period to be over.
I cannot remember, and I would like to have Tinder available for the next trip. Don't know exactly what I'll do. Maybe contest the ban / account deletion.
I have another question for you experienced PH-hands: what counts as "the provinces" and how do I access this grotto of untouched beauties? Seriously considering purchasing ISG premium in the upcoming months if this is a topic best discussed on the ground.
Again, cheers and thanks to all who have trodden these paths before me.[/QUOTE]You can call or email customer service. Mine was a five minute fix.
I regard anything outside Manila (with it's 97 different districts) and Cebu as "the province's". I know Davao has more people than Cebu. However, the city generally, and the girls specifically, have a much more provincial feel.
Access is simply fly there and allow time to meet new girls that may require more work than point and shoot.
What's ISG Premium?
[QUOTE=Goferring;2800861]Access is simply fly there and allow time to meet new girls that may require more work than point and shoot[/QUOTE]Plan on spending a month or more. They take time to woo. However, the woo can be worth the prize.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2800861]What's ISG Premium?[/QUOTE]He is not yet a paid member. Dok it might be the best $20 you spend, as you get access to the Private Message system of contacting gents individually and privately. You could contact Goferring and privately ask: "WTF is wrong with that WestCoast guy"?
Hello,
I need help, I mean a hint to stay more than 2 months in the philippines and to deal with the the plane return ticket. I can get a visa for 59 days for manila and extend it for 29 days at the airport on the arrival or after during my stay.
My problem is the plane ticket as we must have a return ticket at the airport on departure. It means that I must buy a ticket for 59 days but if I extend my stay for 29 days more the date of my return ticket is no more valid so I have to change the date of my return ticket which is often not possible or buy a new one!
Perhaps I can buy a ticket of 59 days + 29 days and another one to Hong Kong for few days for example at the end of my 59 days and coming back to manila for 1 month (no visa needed) so I even don t need to extend my stay of 29 days at the arrival?
In fact I would like to know how to stay in the philippines without having to exit.
Thanks for your tips and sorry for my poor english.