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[QUOTE=MrHo;2441607]OK, so you think this virus is from nature then. If so, it is scary how such a strong contracting viruses can be found in nature in such a globalization world we live in today. So after all, people with Fastidious disease are right all along with their phobia to viruses and bacteria LOL.

I hope you are not too caught up in this with your area of your expertise as medical professional Rock!. As sly always says, keep on punching.[/QUOTE]Why? Are you one of those thinking it was build by a medical firm? I think World know where this virus come from, from international market it spread everywhere. Even some Chinese politics claiming US sent them, sending to pangolins? Even seem 7 tigers infected in NYC zoo.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2441584]Each country has different approach.

Japans approach is to avoid destruction of health care system by not testing everyone and not accepting everyone to hospitals, but focus on heavy symptom patients to avoid people from dying from corona virus. Plus we have medicine that is working for mild symptom called Avigan made by Fuji film Japan, if interested google avigan, we are also giving to the world for free.

So far, we have about 100 death, and we had this from China since January. Infection rate is increasing and we cannot legally do total lock down by force like in Europe or USA, but fortunately people are disciplined, so lockdown is working to some extent. We cannot stop some office, so this is scary thing.

What happen to Europe is destruction of health care system by accepting everyone to hospital and also people just rushed to hospital among other things, and I hope they will get back up as soon as possible to avoid more people from dying.

Germany is beginning to use Avigan, so for mild patients, it should work as it did here. I also read today that medicine made by Japanese scientist who won Nobel price which Japan win mostly in physics and chemistry field are working for corona virus in Australia, so we going to look into that as well.

It is odd to hear not to testing every one, but we thought it is more wise system to tackle such crisis, but if infection increases more as it is doing, we too can face same trouble that Europe and USA are facing.

It is crazy what is going on and who would have thought of this movie like situation coming into reality.[/QUOTE]What I really mean is the delayed lockdown and a more aggresive herd immunity strategy than the most common one in Europe. Both Sweden and Japan were quite late in implementing their lockdowns. Despite confident assertions to the contrary about this approach making sense, have you seen the latest death toll in Sweden, it has spiked and is now over 700, so the health care system is going to be swamped as a result of this.

Japan also had quite a late lockdown, a close relative of mine lives in Tokyo. Herd immunity will take longer to take hold with an earlier more aggressive lockdown, but the health care system will not get swamped as much as it otherwise would have. So the result of a later lockdown in Japan in fact innundates the health care system and it becomes swamped, the later the lockdown the more pressure the health care system will be subject to. So this is the opposite of what you have stated is the Japanese government's strategy.

Italy was the first country in Europe to get hit very hard, so they were more understandably late to the game. However Sweden and Japan (after China and Korea) had plenty of warning. So if the toll is high in those countries, then I would attribute it to poor policy. Both these countries have since recanted and are more aggresively pursuing a lockdown with its economic costs, however in that case, there will most likely be some needless deaths.

What would make sense, is either to lockdown early or not at all relatively speaking. The countries that implemented late lockdowns when presented with the undeniable results of having very lax lockdowns, have actually undertaken the least sensible option.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2441626]I have a friend who used to live in Japan. He told me he liked having sex with Japanese girls because neither their pussies nor butt holes ever stank during sex hahaha! Always very clean.[/QUOTE]I experience mostly non smelly pussies and butt holes in FKKs. In Latin America it is a different story, but I still like my Latina beauties.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2441643]I experience mostly non smelly pussies and butt holes in FKKs. In Latin America it is a different story, but I still like my Latina beauties.[/QUOTE]Interesting you should say this. The one bad anal session I have ever had in FKK land was with a Colombian tute who used to work at Oase. I will spare the good readership the gory details hehehe. But other than that, mostly good wherever. Had one bad anal session in Brazil with a branca. But hey, what's that I always say? If you're going to fuck a lot of pretty girls in the ass, then you're going to have to "take a little shit" every now and again. Hahahaha! After all, it's called a poop chute for a reason LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2441607]OK, so you think this virus is from nature then. If so, it is scary how such a strong contracting viruses can be found in nature in such a globalization world we live in today. So after all, people with Fastidious disease are right all along with their phobia to viruses and bacteria LOL.

I hope you are not too caught up in this with the area of your expertise as medical professional Rock!. As sly always says, keep on punching.[/QUOTE]Yes, the Covid-19 is a very complex virus, with a fat-based coating that protects the virus from the environment, so it definitely comes straight from Mother Nature's cooking pot. We are the last remaining species of humans on Earth and, most likely, the other human species became extinct due to bacterial or viral infections. So also our species, one day, will be wiped out by a freaking virus or by our stupidity and greed! I'm sometimes on the frontline to combat this virus, but I rarely have contact with patients. I keep myself safe, Mr Ho, because there are still many FKK visits we still need to honour!

Rock.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2441481]Well biggest medical companies are from Germany, Japan and USA. German and Japan are did good with us about 100 death so far and Germans are using medicines called Avigan made by fuji film Japan, which is one of very few medicines that are working with this virus. Vaccines are on the way, but takes about a year or even longer apparently. It clearly is not the best in the world and France is better than Italy even, but French medical system is not good.

For Germans, they are among the best in the world, this I agree. As for USA, they are also best, but it is not the infrastructure that is problem, it is their insurance policies, so poor people cannot go to hospital is reflecting death rate per population.[/QUOTE]In the US, people are not dying because they cannot get healthcare. Access to emergency hospital care due to lack of insurance is not the problem. Hospitals are legally obligated to treat the acutely sick regardless of insurance status. Access to primary care for mild and chronic conditions is the problem. Regardless, that is not the issue as the elderly have access to national healthcare. Only 8-9 percent of the US population does not have health insurance despite what the news media try to portray.

The US death rate is 3. 4 percent compared to 5.8 percent for the entire world. For reference, the US death rate is better than UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark, France, Italy, and Spain. That's better than almost all of Western Europe. Only a handful of European countries are actually keeping their people alive at a higher rate, (Germany, Austria, Norway, Finland). I am not sure from what data you are basing sure assertions. The numbers show that the US is doing better than most of the developing world at treating COVID-19.

OK, so Japan is hiding the numbers too then. China style.

What Mr. Ho is describing only leads to a higher number of people dieing at home without being included in the numbers. Like we can read about in that Italian article. I guess it is a cultural thing to hide death numbers from the population at large.

But here in Scandinavia we are already talking about testing 10% of the entire population in May month alone. That would never happen in an east Asian country. And is why the numbers there seem so low. We also only take in the critical patients to the hospitals. So there is no difference there. Same in Italy. But after having tested them. You just need to test properly. It doesn't take much.

Another problem is that testing kits doesn't work many places. For example in South Korea there have been in many cases with negative tests twice in a row. Then a few days later the same people test positive again. So bad quality test kits. Some test kits sent to Chezh rep and Spain from China showed bad results 80% of the time. The monkey method (50% random guessing) would be almost as useful!

Maybe a medicine can help a little bit. But so far I don't trust any numbers related to these. Same with that Malaria medicine.

India however is even more scary. People there live so close together, that when Modi sent 500 million people out of the cities two weeks ago, the virus probably spread like crazy. And they have only tested 0. 01% of the population (But even worse is that hundreds or maybe thousands of people have died out of exhaustion due to 20-200 mile long walks back home. Since buses have stopped running. And worse than that again is the lack of resources back in their villages. There are not enough food for all the people returning, so millions are just sent straight back to the big cities.

Think Hunger Games. That is India nowadays!

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2441629]Rose, my sweet Rose, a beautiful lady. Not so much crazy passion, but sensual and very sensitive sex.[/QUOTE]Rose is one of my all time favorites there too. Yes, she's not a wild one in the bedroom, but she has such a beautiful face, calming presence, and the way she bites the side of her lower lip when riding on me really turns me on.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2441419]Am I the only one who thinks the French sex scene isn't as bad as some people say it is? Sure the legal situation could be better and there are risks, but there are plenty options if you know where to look. There are countries in Europe and elsewhere that have worse scenes.[/QUOTE]I've had good experiences with incalls in Paris, but other countries have way more options for less money. My favorite punt in Paris was a gorgeous model type 5 years ago. 250 for the session with CIF.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2441614]I forgot to mention Switzerland as another medically advance nation as well. Look France is advanced and part of G7 nation, but Germany and Japan together with USA are the top level for this, France is good and many foreigners from mostly former colonies come yeah, but that does not show any advantages over other nations, plus these french speaking colonies like Lebanon, morocco, Algeria etc. Are not civilized place for medic etc.

Each country has good thing and for France, it is fashion, art, tourism and food. And I think France played big roll for putting Japanese cuisine to stardom to as it is today internationally. Also Robert de niro for this matter for making nobu to translate our food.

As for mask, it is Japan thing, I do not wear it beside in airplane, but it is big thing here even though we are the one of cleanest nation in world, this is because we are very hygiene conscious nation, and we did tell Europe, USA and even WHO and guess what, who thought it is not effective at the beginning till very recently they changed their thought on that. It is not just to prevent you from getting sick, but it prevent more to give other people your sickness.

Like Mask, we are saying Avigan made by Fuji film works, and we are willing to give to world for free and German government decided to use avigan for treatment now, so it is wise for some nations to take this medicine to treat people with mild symptom, again we are giving it for free, so like mask, it is better to take our advise instead of sticking to stereo type thoughts during this crisis that are killing so many people.[/QUOTE]You should learn a bit about Lebanon with many doctors who learned in France, when some low level hospitals in poor places in US, many people who can't go to hospital because they can't pay, more than 10 millions illegal people. From France, I really don't need to go to Japan nor US nor Switzerland nor Germany to be cured or operated. Seem more badly sick or deaths for guys than for women, they are lucky, maybe women create this virus to get rid of guys.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2441657]In the US, people are not dying because they cannot get healthcare. Access to emergency hospital care due to lack of insurance is not the problem. Hospitals are legally obligated to treat the acutely sick regardless of insurance status. Access to primary care for mild and chronic conditions is the problem. Regardless, that is not the issue as the elderly have access to national healthcare. Only 8-9 percent of the US population does not have health insurance despite what the news media try to portray.

The US death rate is 3. 4 percent compared to 5.8 percent for the entire world. For reference, the US death rate is better than UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark, France, Italy, and Spain. That's better than almost all of Western Europe. Only a handful of European countries are actually keeping their people alive at a higher rate, (Germany, Austria, Norway, Finland). I am not sure from what data you are basing sure assertions. The numbers show that the US is doing better than most of the developing world at treating COVID-19.[/QUOTE]More than 2000 deaths per day in US, 800 per day in NYC with many dead in fridge trucks in streets, even tigers caught virus in NYC zoo. Yes, poor people can go to hospital, but they don't, because they know they can't pay. More black people than white die from virus, this is US.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2441419]Am I the only one who thinks the French sex scene isn't as bad as some people say it is? Sure the legal situation could be better and there are risks, but there are plenty options if you know where to look. There are countries in Europe and elsewhere that have worse scenes.[/QUOTE]Until Amour and Charme Russe closed after police raid, Paris was higher level for beauties than Germany. I remember on some Sundays, I drove to GT and there, I thought: why to pay for these girls? I sent message to one of my escorts, drove back to Paris to enjoy a real beauty. I remember on July 2014, I had 14 meetings with Amour Russe girls, only from Monday to Thursday, because on Saturdays, I was at Oase or World. Before virus, still attractive beauties with Rdv4U or stroll. Even under virus, still few beauties, but I have to get better mood, I don't like deaths figures, to go to enjoy.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2441641]What I really mean is the delayed lockdown and a more aggresive herd immunity strategy than the most common one in Europe. Both Sweden and Japan were quite late in implementing their lockdowns. Despite confident assertions to the contrary about this approach making sense, have you seen the latest death toll in Sweden, it has spiked and is now over 700, so the health care system is going to be swamped as a result of this.

Japan also had quite a late lockdown, a close relative of mine lives in Tokyo. Herd immunity will take longer to take hold with an earlier more aggressive lockdown, but the health care system will not get swamped as much as it otherwise would have. So the result of a later lockdown in Japan in fact innundates the health care system and it becomes swamped, the later the lockdown the more pressure the health care system will be subject to. So this is the opposite of what you have stated is the Japanese government's strategy..[/QUOTE]There is no forced lock down still in Japan by the way, we do not have legal frame work for forced lock down, we can ask, but legally we cannot force people, it is more democratic in that sense. Good news is that public hygiene and public discipline and organization is highest in Japan than anywhere in the world, so people tend to behave well here. For example, during many crisis in Japan with natural disaster, you know that there are no decline in public safety, like there is no mass robbery or theft and I think you read the article that around 30 million usd worth of asset were even returned to owners during mega quake disaster in 2011. It is very polite well behaved country where people are disciplined.

As for actual lateness for lock down is to adjust the economy, we are one of the biggest country in the world and our industry expand to all areas you can imagine and this also include medical field from medicines to machinery for hospitals like omron from Kyoto, cannon for x ray, hitachi for radio therapy equipment and lists keep goes on. Also most of physics and chemistry Nobel award winners are Japanese for past few years, so what I mean is we have international responsibility, we cannot just shut it all down like other nations, it has domino affect. So we were getting ready with all our companies, like Toyota as well, they need 1 billion us dollar cash every month to pay employees around world, so if they shut down straight away, that means they have to fire people around world during such crisis and that is something we have to avoid with our mentality because we believe companies are safety net for people as they are the one who paying salary so people can put food on table and pay for necessity in life. So thinking about domino affect to world, we cannot and not going to just shut it all down. We try to have more balanced approach and Japan is doing much better than USA and Europe with death rate per population and death rates itself, but it is not about who is better, Japan is one of few country who has key to fix this virus, we are the brain here and we already have two medicines especially Avigan that is working and with international partners, we are working to get more data from Avigan and try to make vaccines for this virus.

Bottom line is, we had this since January from China and look at death rates in Europe and USA and look at death rate in Japan. We are doing fine, but we are worried now that we may end up like USA or Europe soon because this virus is very strong to contract and it is hard to control the infection rate, but we focus on death rate because death rate is something we can control by strengthen our hospitals and make sure we do not destroy medical infrastructure.

As for Sweden, it is one of the nation who are not in G7, but smart nation, I do think it is bit radical what they are doing, but they are smart people with proper industries structure and they are polite and decent people like Japan, so I think they know what they are doing.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2441659]OK, so Japan is hiding the numbers too then. China style.

What Mr. Ho is describing only leads to a higher number of people dieing at home without being included in the numbers. Like we can read about in that Italian article. I guess it is a cultural thing to hide death numbers from the population at large.

But here in Scandinavia we are already talking about testing 10% of the entire population in May month alone. That would never happen in an east Asian country. And is why the numbers there seem so low. We also only take in the critical patients to the hospitals. So there is no difference there. Same in Italy. But after having tested them. You just need to test properly. It doesn't take much.

Another problem is that testing kits doesn't work many places. For example in South Korea there have been in many cases with negative tests twice in a row. Then a few days later the same people test positive again. So bad quality test kits. Some test kits sent to Chezh rep and Spain from China showed bad results 80% of the time. The monkey method (50% random guessing) would be almost as useful!

Maybe a medicine can help a little bit. But so far I don't trust any numbers related to these. Same with that Malaria medicine.[/QUOTE]With your education, you really think Japan is like China? One can think what they want, but if so, that would really show the level of your education or level of university you went to.

Japan is not hiding number, we are not testing everyone on purpose to protect health care system so that they can treat people, which lead to low death rate. Look at Europe and USA, the reason for high death is that medical system was destroyed due to over capacity of patients.

Infection rates are something media is playing because it sells fear and that is how they make money and I do think pr companies are paid by financial institutions who are shorting stocks to write more fear.

What we have to focus on is death rate to avoid people from dying.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2441724]More than 2000 deaths per day in US, 800 per day in NYC with many dead in fridge trucks in streets, even tigers caught virus in NYC zoo. Yes, poor people can go to hospital, but they don't, because they know they can't pay. More black people than white die from virus, this is US.[/QUOTE]Our president and administration screwed up and didn't prepare any proper testing infrastructure till it was too late. Testing got ramped up in mid March but by then we had 20,000 cases in the country. Too many people got infected in all states and cities and it was very difficult to manage this well.

That said, US has 5 times the population of France. To compare the death numbers in absolute is across countries is not sensible. 2000 deaths in US is equal to 400 in France. If you have more than 400 people dying per day, it means you are doing worse than US.

In my opinion, France and US are both of doing well. Korea has managed the best, also Taiwan, Germany. And China, IF you believe their numbers.