American Politics

[QUOTE=Tavares;2517458]I understand it is hard for you to admit your hero failed miserably with more than 7 million votes behind Biden.

But I'm wondering if Trump is going to return the money people paid for four-figure tickets to a party he ditched yesterday. Let go swindler, forget about 4 more years and pay the money you owe to american taxpayers. ShooBree, your hero is pathetic, in fact you are both pathetic.[/QUOTE]Trump is the best American President since the 80's. I love how he still manages to make a pathetic libtard like you cry like a little baby.

Although Trump's great in comparison to Obama, Rodham and Biden I still wouldn't consider him a "hero". Another failed guess from you. Can you get anything right? Just an honest question from my part.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2517252]The problem is that the 1% would very soon become 10%, 20%, 30%, and so on, if the authorities would not fuck the lives of the 99%. Or if a significant part of the 99% does not want to listen to the authorities, which is exactly what is happening in the USA and many other places.[/QUOTE]Sitting in the USA right now, this past month I got to spend time with nearly 100 friends. Nearly 75% have tested positive for Covid and only 1 was admitted to the hospital early on for treatment. Most, including me, didn't know we had Covid until we took one of the tests. Not sure what the 10, 20, 30% you are talking about but nearly all of the people I know that had it are against lockdowns and see no need as the "get it and you will die" rhetoric is on the nightly news is proving false.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2517381]Let's not beat about the bush. Answer please: did Trump win or not?[/QUOTE]He lost big! Only idiots dispute that fact.

[QUOTE=Beer30;2517635]Sitting in the USA right now, this past month I got to spend time with nearly 100 friends. Nearly 75% have tested positive for Covid and only 1 was admitted to the hospital early on for treatment. Most, including me, didn't know we had Covid until we took one of the tests. Not sure what the 10, 20, 30% you are talking about but nearly all of the people I know that had it are against lockdowns and see no need as the "get it and you will die" rhetoric is on the nightly news is proving false.[/QUOTE]I know people fighting in ICUs for their lives with C19. I do not go into crowds where 70% have C19 and I don't want to know anyone who does. Your alleged complacency is like the C19 parties students have.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517611]Oh, I see that you're out cherry-picking. You forgot to mention that the population of Sweden is much larger than any of the countries that you mentioned. Roughly 30 times more people lives in Sweden than Iceland, which is a tiny island far away from the rest of Europe.[/QUOTE]Talk about cherry picking, and distortion of numbers, you only mention Iceland to make you dishonest distortion.

I said:

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517380]Sweden's COVID-19 death toll is nearly six times the combined number in neighboring Denmark, Norway and Finland as well as Iceland, all of which adopted stricter measures.[/QUOTE]Sweden's current population is around 10.4 million. The combined population of Denmark, Norway, Finland and Iceland is around 17 million. A combined population 60% greater than Sweden with 1/6th the Covid death toll. The government of Sweden is the Great Grim Reaper!

But you try to distort the facts by only singling out Iceland, with a population of around 365,000 while the other three counties I mentioned in the combined statistic each exceed 5 million in population.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517611]Not only is Sweden a country with a much larger population we also have a much percentage of immigrants which plays a big part.[/QUOTE]You clearly lack enough skill with the English language to write coherent sentences. I've got to realize it is unfair to debate someone stupid and lacking education.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517616]Although Trump's great in comparison to Obama, Rodham and Biden I still wouldn't consider him a "hero". Another failed guess from you. Can you get anything right? Just an honest question from my part.[/QUOTE]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2517338]Millions of people believe exactly that.

The fundamental problem is many people don't sufficiently understand the science to realize how destructive this virus is when left unchecked. [/QUOTE]Or maybe part of the problem might be that millions are still blindly believing whatever the mainstream media is feeding them with or the propaganda of their own government.

[QUOTE] They refuse to abandon their fun times now to save lives and have a better future. [/QUOTE]Even though we are on a forum which purpose is mainly to talk about fun times, the huge majority of people that consider lockdowns being counterproductive is because these lockdowns are destroying millions of people lives.

And I have a hard time picturing the better future that you're talking about when the only thing I'm seeing is lockdowns being enforced over and over.

[QUOTE] They don't care if somebody else suffers or dies.[/QUOTE]This is the center of the problem. You're mostly thinking of people directly suffering or dying of covid while others aknowledge that a much bigger proportion of people are suffering economically and psychologically from these lockdowns.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517713]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.[/QUOTE]Never argue with a fool, for he will bring you down to his level, and he is more comfortable down there.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2517670]The "they" are sometimes called "the elite", you should understand very wealthy and very influential people along with many top leaders of the westernized and affiliated governments (if you want to read names, these are the Klaus Schwab, the Rockfellers and many others from their tribe).
[/QUOTE]So what do you plan on doing about "THEM"?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517667]Talk about cherry picking, and distortion of numbers, you only mention Iceland to make you dishonest distortion.

I said:

Sweden's current population is around 10.4 million. The combined population of Denmark, Norway, Finland and Iceland is around 17 million. A combined population 60% greater than Sweden with 1/6th the Covid death toll. The government of Sweden is the Great Grim Reaper!

But you try to distort the facts by only singling out Iceland, with a population of around 365,000 while the other three counties I mentioned in the combined statistic each exceed 5 million in population.

You clearly lack enough skill with the English language to write coherent sentences. I've got to realize it is unfair to debate someone stupid and lacking education.[/QUOTE]So in other words you admit that you're cherry-picking, great!

It's great to see that you finally admit that you're without any proper education. It's pretty embarrassing that you can't even read and understand English, do you speak any other language? I'm fluent in several different languages so if you feel more comfortable with another language it's no problem for me.

You could also apologize for only quoting and answering two out of seven paragraphs. It's almost like you're scared of me and unable to retort.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517713]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.[/QUOTE]You're making me laugh. Your lack of self-awareness is laughable. You're a pathetic joke.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2517730]Or maybe part of the problem might be that millions are still blindly believing whatever the mainstream media is feeding them with or the propaganda of their own government.

Even though we are on a forum which purpose is mainly to talk about fun times, the huge majority of people that consider lockdowns being counterproductive is because these lockdowns are destroying millions of people lives.

And I have a hard time picturing the better future that you're talking about when the only thing I'm seeing is lockdowns being enforced over and over.

This is the center of the problem. You're mostly thinking of people directly suffering or dying of covid while others aknowledge that a much bigger proportion of people are suffering economically and psychologically from these lockdowns.[/QUOTE]It seems to me the "elites" of which you speak would be the people who publicly proclaimed it to be a "HOAX!", that "there is 1 case out of China, only 15 cases here and that will be near zero soon", that "we've got this under control", "this virus harms almost nobody", "it will go away without a vaccine", "there will be no coronavirus in the Fall", etc in order to argue against any mitigation measures, lockdowns and curfews to influence you to ignore the warnings and continue to buy stuff 24/7 all while they are on tape privately telling authors it is very serious, "bad", many times worse than the flu, highly infectious even for young people and so on.

What exactly is the evil motive for the mitigation measures, lockdown and curfew crowd again?

Despite the persistent effort from the earliest days by the ones I quoted above to discourage any effort to invent a vaccine for this virus or to even consider one might be necessary, a bunch of scientists did invent some vaccines anyway. And once we get the King of Chaos on his way to the golf course, the penitentiary or wherever and as far away from the levers of power as possible there will eventually be enough jabs of the vaccine in enough arms to put the lockdowns, curfews and whack-a-mole business closures behind us.

And, as bad as lockdowns are, that end will come with many more people still alive to get jabs (and buy stuff 24/7!) than would have been the case if we'd only listened to the "HOAX!" crowd 10 months ago.

[QUOTE=Beer30;2517635]Sitting in the USA right now, this past month I got to spend time with nearly 100 friends. Nearly 75% have tested positive for Covid and only 1 was admitted to the hospital early on for treatment. Most, including me, didn't know we had Covid until we took one of the tests. Not sure what the 10, 20, 30% you are talking about but nearly all of the people I know that had it are against lockdowns and see no need as the "get it and you will die" rhetoric is on the nightly news is proving false.[/QUOTE]75% positive is an alarming number, so I think you've made that up and are exaggerating just to prove your point.
But let's assume it's true. How many other people were infected by this 75%? And how many of these other people ended up in hospital with serious symptoms? And how many of them died? Most likely quite a lot.
Even with the lockdowns hospitals all over the world are overwhelmed by Covid19 patients. Without lockdowns and other methods, like keeping distance and face masks, the situation would be even more dramatic. For people as well as the economy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2517845]

.... And once we get the King of Chaos on his way to the golf course, the penitentiary or wherever and as far away from the levers of power as possible there will eventually be enough jabs of the vaccine in enough arms to put the lockdowns, curfews and whack-a-mole business closures behind us.

.... if we'd only listened to the "HOAX!" crowd 10 months ago.

[/QUOTE]What you like to tell us? Is it a Hoax like yor crazy golfplayer told. Or is it good, that the crazy President pushed them to invent a vaccine against a hoax?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517713]ShooBree the stupid Swede makes these great debate points.

This is his level of debate.

Like we are talking to a nine year old.

SMH.[/QUOTE]What else would you expect from someone supporting trump and Bolsonaro?