Jakarta

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2658482][URL]http://www.thejakartapost.com/business/2022/02/01/indonesia-eases-quarantine-rules-to-spur-tourism.html[/URL]

Eisya A. Eloksari (The Jakarta Post) PREMIUM Jakarta ● Tue, February 1, 2022 The government will shorten the mandatory quarantine starting on Feb. 4 for all travelers entering the country to five days from seven days in a bid to boost international tourism, particularly in Bali. [/QUOTE]A 5 day quarantine is 5 days too long. I am not going to bother until the Indonesian Government abolishes Quarantine for all travelers. I hope ALL tourists stay away from Indonesia.

To date, Indonesia has been slow to ease, but I expect Indonesia to abolish quarantine in less than two months i.e by end of March.

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2659347]A 5 day quarantine is 5 days too long. I am not going to bother until the Indonesian Government abolishes Quarantine for all travelers. I hope ALL tourists stay away from Indonesia.

To date, Indonesia has been slow to ease, but I expect Indonesia to abolish quarantine in less than two months i.e by end of March.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]Authorities are widely circulating that the 5 days are confined to the resort and visitors are free to use pool, restaurant etc facilities.

Not as good as being able to walk around town / visit other areas but much better than being trapped in a room for a week.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2659760]Authorities are widely circulating that the 5 days are confined to the resort and visitors are free to use pool, restaurant etc facilities.

Not as good as being able to walk around town / visit other areas but much better than being trapped in a room for a week.[/QUOTE]It should be unlikely, but what happens if one of the other travellers that you are sharing the hotel facilities with, tests positive during quarantine? Will your quarantine be extended?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2659760]Authorities are widely circulating that the 5 days are confined to the resort and visitors are free to use pool, restaurant etc facilities.

Not as good as being able to walk around town / visit other areas but much better than being trapped in a room for a week.[/QUOTE]As long as you can't bring guests this is all a waste of time and money anyway.

Not just that, there are multiple reports that hotels provide a positive result on the last day to make you stay an extra week for being positive (see youtube for discussion of multiple instances).

[URL]https://thebalisun.com/ukrainian-tourists-allegedly-tricked-by-authorities-to-extend-quarantine-time/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx3gNBPKfzs[/URL]

[QUOTE=DownUnderMonger;2659978]Not just that, there are multiple reports that hotels provide a positive result on the last day to make you stay an extra week for being positive (see youtube for discussion of multiple instances).

[URL]https://thebalisun.com/ukrainian-tourists-allegedly-tricked-by-authorities-to-extend-quarantine-time/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx3gNBPKfzs[/URL][/QUOTE]Disgusting indeed. Haven't heard anything like that in any other country. Indonesian people are getting greedy.

[QUOTE=DownUnderMonger;2659978]Not just that, there are multiple reports that hotels provide a positive result on the last day to make you stay an extra week for being positive (see youtube for discussion of multiple instances).

[URL]https://thebalisun.com/ukrainian-tourists-allegedly-tricked-by-authorities-to-extend-quarantine-time/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx3gNBPKfzs[/URL][/QUOTE]I think this is probably bullshit. Having spent a bunch of time on FB group sites, if you test positive on the last day at your quarantine hotel, you have to leave that hotel and do 10 days at a different government approved isolation hotel, which seem to be pretty basic pieces of shit lodgings. As a confirmed case, you are no long allowed to stay in a hotel with normal guests. So, no incentive for hotel to try to keep you, at least under the new rules beginning 4 February.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2659760]Authorities are widely circulating that the 5 days are confined to the resort and visitors are free to use pool, restaurant etc facilities.

Not as good as being able to walk around town / visit other areas but much better than being trapped in a room for a week.[/QUOTE]I'the like to know the names of those hotels.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2660074]I'the like to know the names of those hotels.[/QUOTE]I would also like to know the names of such hotels in Jakarta.

And I am very curious as to whether in-call is possible. In that case, five days of quarantine might not be soo bad.

And I would have thought in a country with so much informality and where so many things are done so superficially, in some hotels it should be possible to negotiate a mutual understanding allowing one to slip out.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2660074]I'the like to know the names of those hotels.[/QUOTE]From The Jakarta Post (behind a paywall):

Quote: "With the return of international flights to Bali, economic growth from the tourism sector is right before our eyes," said tourism ministry marketing deputy Nia Niscaya. She went on to say the government was introducing a new quarantine initiative called 'warm-up vacation' wherein travelers may roam around their hotels, instead of being confined to their rooms. Travelers could enjoy hotel facilities such as swimming pools, gym areas and beaches during their quarantine period.

Currently, only five hotels in Bali were offering warm-up vacations namely Grand Hyatt Nusa Dua and Westin Resort in Nusa Dua, Griya Santrian in Sanur, Viceroy in Ubud and Royal Tulip in Jimbaran, with a total capacity of 520 rooms. Nia explained that to avoid COVID-19 spreading, the five hotels would have separate quarters for quarantine guests and regular guests. Hotel management must also provide rooms for their personnel catering to quarantine guests. End quote.

A colleague has just endured the seven-day quarantine, he told me it was very strict, he couldn't even order take-away food to be delivered, the only concession to vice was a beer trolley that did the rounds in the evening. Mind you, he is a very law-abiding type, so he made no effort to circumvent the rules and would never dream of doing so. What habitual norms-violating people like us could achieve is a different matter.

Still and all, I really can't see why any tourist would bother visiting Indonesia until they drop this rule.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2660095]
And I am very curious as to whether in-call is possible. In that case, five days of quarantine might not be soo bad.

[/QUOTE]Doubtful. Only if she is an existing guest or staff. Even staff have very limited access to leaving site.

I have no idea how they monitor or control who is going into what room.

I'd mark it as a 5 day dry spell.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2660095]I would also like to know the names of such hotels in Jakarta.

[/QUOTE]A quick google search brings up a lot of hotels in Jakarta offering the quarantine packages. Unfortunately they are on the upswing of Omicron and they've shut down tourist entry to Jakarta. Completely unstable at the minute and even if I could travel from the not so democratic Republic of Westralia it would be a big gamble to book anything. Two years and counting, hopefully sometime this year!

Details of the quarantine packages:

So, its not really 5 days, more like 3. 5 days and 4 nights. One can check-in to your hotel as late as 9:00 pm, stay 3 days /4 nights and you will be out by noon on the 5th day. So 3 full days in the hotel + a morning. Seems possibly do-able. But you need a business visa or an APEC card or some other special visa. Tourist visa on-arrival is not up and running yet.

This site has details of the packages offered by most of the hotels, from 2 star to 5 star. [URL]https://quarantinehotelsjakarta.com/[/URL].

These all seem to be very strict quarantines- defiantly no guests or visitors, however, I think you could have a friend check-in with you, but she will be there for the full time period and have to do all the same PCR tests as you have to.

For some people this will be acceptable, but I agree. It sounds horrible, especially when Thailand is opening without quarantines.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2659347]A 5 day quarantine is 5 days too long. I am not going to bother until the Indonesian Government abolishes Quarantine for all travelers. I hope ALL tourists stay away from Indonesia.

To date, Indonesia has been slow to ease, but I expect Indonesia to abolish quarantine in less than two months i.e by end of March.

~BKKguru[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2660565]Doubtful. Only if she is an existing guest or staff. Even staff have very limited access to leaving site.

I have no idea how they monitor or control who is going into what room.

I'd mark it as a 5 day dry spell.[/QUOTE]My recent 6 night /7 day quarantine stint started with an after midnight check in, which hotel counted as night 1.

You get a room key, but it won't work. If you leve the room, they have to clean / sterilize it before letting you back in. I found this out my last morning. I wanted to come down for final breakfast. They told me if I left room, I could not go back in.

The only exception was the PCR test. Had to have the hall monitor let me back in the room.

No guests allowed, period. If you had an incall, they would have to be with you when you walk out of special arrivals lane for hotel.

There is a table placed outside each door. Your meals, laundry, bottles of water, etc are all placed there. Very minimal personal contact.

Madvic.

[QUOTE=Madvic;2661670]My recent 6 night /7 day quarantine stint started with an after midnight check in, which hotel counted as night 1.

You get a room key, but it won't work. If you leve the room, they have to clean / sterilize it before letting you back in. I found this out my last morning. I wanted to come down for final breakfast. They told me if I left room, I could not go back in.

The only exception was the PCR test. Had to have the hall monitor let me back in the room.

No guests allowed, period. If you had an incall, they would have to be with you when you walk out of special arrivals lane for hotel.

There is a table placed outside each door. Your meals, laundry, bottles of water, etc are all placed there. Very minimal personal contact.

Madvic.[/QUOTE]Let me guess!, you stayed at one of the better brands of hotel. One with a reputation to protect and the critical mass of quarantiners to implement the strictest measures.

Drop down the star scale a bit and you should find things get fuzzier. They all have different strategies to ensure compliance. Disable the elevator to the quarantine floor, employ guards, section off the hotel. Am not sure they would be able to instantly disable your room card if you left the room but it's concievable.

OS was looking at the hotels a long way out of town, like Cikarang. Preferably with only a few quarantine rooms. Not that he needs to get there right now. His last hotel that he stayed in was removed from the list due to lax security ha ha.