Hong Kong Club Reports

When business at the gambling tables is slow, the Vegas casinos hire dudes to pretend to play (using the casinos money) to encourage others to follow their example. Maybe this guy is a shill paid to try to loosen up the stingy types to tip more? If it makes the dancers happier, why not? I'm all for encouraging more dancers to visit the club.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2700654]I never saw this big fat dude go with girls to the hotel.

I also suspect he works for HK, setting up this stupid shit show to drive green rains.

It's not a good move for him to way overspend and make the rest of clients look like cheap skates.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to take a different view of this interaction than yourself and others. Now remember I'm just going off what was written so I'm not judging you as a person only how I might act if I was this girl.

First off if you visit Tijuana or any place for that matter you would be smart to be able to learn some basic phrases in that language. So in your case I'm surprised that with your many visits you haven't picked up on some of the language. I know many of you get lazy just using the translator on your phone but most girls I talk to don't like it and to me it makes it more of a business transaction and your chance of good service goes down. Second observation is to make you and her learn more about each other is to buy a drink or 2 with the girl just to see what she is about. This also lets the girl relax and get to know you better and that she can be safe with you. These girls only have a short time to get a feeling of trust with a guy. So up in the room if she asks for money first from you I wouldn't take it as such a negative. Again had you bought a few drinks she would have seen the cash you have and maybe not ask for it.

Now with her talking to you and not being aggressive may again just be her trying to get comfortable with you or make you relax since you might of been giving off a bad vibe, so when you started to get aggressive with her by forcing her to blow you I'd imagine she was a little scared and nervous on what was going to happen. I think some guys assume that because we pay for sex we can treat these girls poorly or they need to do whatever we want but you are just paying for sex not BDSM unless you both discuss that. Now her telling you that you need a new condom was a bad move on her part and I agree that this would make me think that she was just a shark. Just for others that read this I would suggest having a couple of condoms in your pocket if something like this happens. So now with you yelling at her she might of just been scared and gave in knowing that time was almost up, and the knock doesn't always come in the 30 minutes so that's why she had the timer on but from your report it was hard to know how long the time you had been in the room together. So like you said good thing you finished and got what you paid for. Had you not finished I would never get so upset to do something stupid that would land you in jail or get your ass beat for harming a working girl. I mean really is $100 worth that? And no from the story you wrote here HK would of taken her side also.

I was in HK early. Lots of hot girls came in to work abut 7 to 8, but by 10 almost all hot ones had been taken and did not come back. There were still a few hot girls. Why take one with a hunchback?

One reason why some girls don't like to fuck guys is because they are hard-core lesbians. They are actually macho men with pussies, disgusted of men and cannot bear being fucked by men.

A few hot HK girls confirmed with me they are lesbians and like girls. They would still fuck guys for money, but are cold and awkward in bed. It helps to buy girls fichas, squeeze, grope and feel them out. If they pull away from being touched and groped, they don't like you and will not give hot, loving sessions in bed.

I found my post on that bad session I had in HK this past December. I actually only let her keep $40, not $50, haha.

Here it is:

Stay away from a girl named Lola if you run across her in the club. She's typically not my type, big fake boobs and ass but she was being very friendly and affectionate downstairs, DFK, the whole 9 yards, so I figured why not throw some business her way. This was last Thursday. As soon as we got in the room her attitude completely changed and wanted to be strictly business. After several minutes of her just laying there not really doing anything I got up and called for management. Super long story short I agreed to let her keep 40 and 40 was returned to me as 80 was the agreed price. I didn't really feel like arguing for a full refund because she did blow me and I got to bang her for a few minutes. Plus management was being cool about the situation, hearing me out and not believing everything she was saying and offered me no charge for my room on my next session. Moral of the story, if you get a girl who is giving you the starfish treatment and makes you feel like you're being ripped off, speak up.

[QUOTE=Rawrbomb;2700775]In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.[/QUOTE]Bro, I think you just need some in person guidance from one of us on here. Let us know which day you're going back. I'm sure one of us will be there.

Travv.

Normally HK strippers would collect their tips at the stage at the end of their routines and kick back about 25% to the stage handlers.

Fat Dude's rains on stage and on floor are collected by the handlers. He rains regularly but but I never saw the money given to any girl, so his tip money looks like HK's play money, not real. How would the girls divide out the money he rains on the floor? Never saw any girl receive that money.

HK has been trying different ways to transform itself into a high-class joint with higher revenue and profit. The DJ keeps pleading "Tip the ladies, tip the ladies." Looks like HK is using a fat shill with play money to push mongers to tip big. HK sold all 80 tables at $500 each for the Chica of the Year party last week, so the days of cheap sex, cheap booze and cheap entertainment in HK are numbered. Soon the average mongers will be hanging out at Bar Gloria groping old, shriveled women hehe.

Ran into a couple guys from Las Vegas arriving with big luggage to stay in hotel Cascada a couple nights. They think HK is way too cheap and a very good deal compared to Vegas. Soon HK will be charging Vegas prices.

[QUOTE=Nothing24;2700859]Bro, I think you just need some in person guidance from one of us on here. Let us know which day you're going back. I'm sure one of us will be there.[/QUOTE]I agree most of these HK woman wouldn't last 2 days at a American strip club, with the need to do lap dances socialize with guys, walk up to them etc. When I was 21 99% of the woman in nyc strip club ignored me for the 10 dollar lap dances. It wasn't till I got older I realized how poor I dressed. I never looked at anyone's clothes I had no concept of style, shoes. Plus I probably looked 18. If you think girls aren't talking to you because of looks you can dress nice just don't walk around on the sidewalks. You can put nice dress pants shoes shirt on, and your going to look much better to these woman.

[QUOTE=Travv;2700790]When business at the gambling tables is slow, the Vegas casinos hire dudes to pretend to play (using the casinos money) to encourage others to follow their example. Maybe this guy is a shill paid to try to loosen up the stingy types to tip more? If it makes the dancers happier, why not? I'm all for encouraging more dancers to visit the club.[/QUOTE]My 1st thought by the second time I saw this guy was he was a HK employee. Its very hard to fathom that a dude with that much money has no place better to be everyday at 9 pm than HK Tijuana Mexico. So when he was first getting mentioned on here, which was about a month into going every night, I wrote that he must work at HK. Others said no way. But it makes complete sense. He drops 10 k a night on woman they don't have to have sex, the woman more likely to return to work, return to Tijuana when they need $. Waiters make some $, he motivates others to make it rain, increases the "party" atmosphere of money flowing all over the place.

[QUOTE=Rawrbomb;2700775]Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.

Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles. Looking back, this is where I started to fuck up my night. Since I wanted to just take it slow and chill, I ask her if she'd be willing to make it 2 hours in the room for an extra $50. I think we ended up agreeing on $240 for 2.5 hours as I didn't think that I'd be heading down again. She asks for cash up front, and I tell her I'll give her half now, half when we're done. Looking back now, I could see she was procrastinating slightly and taking her time and I knew why a bit later..[/QUOTE]This is a very interesting post. Because there's always going to stories of guys getting taken advantage of as a new guy. And stories of guys getting taken advantage due to the covid, and post covid, tripling down of getting every penny from anyone going to the rooms with a girl. So in your case you combined both. The fact that you let anyone know you were new probably didn't matter. I've seen others get the door banging for keeping girls more than 30 minutes or 45 minutes, and being forced to buy beers. Its odd, because HK and its hotel are not even a brothel. I doubt legally HK is supposed to be up in the hotel demanding money, aka beers, to keep a girl. But the bottom line, is HK learned that many people, probably 70% of the people in HK, have such high income, that they could double triple what they charge, and 80% of the guys will keep returning. But yes at this point I would never try to rent a girl for more than 45 minutes in HK or tropical. I think the VIP card allows that extra 15 minutes still. So once you venture into 46 minutes they can start banging on the door. And from my experience, 98% of the girls, assuming you don't like like a movie star, they aren't going to want to have some guy banging them for more than 20 minutes. So your not gona get much extra sex.

In HK, you can take a girl from the club straight to your room for an hour, but after an hour she has to be back down to the club selling fichas, or face $100 fine. That's HK's rule. Girls make money for the club selling fichas in the bar, not selling sex. Other girls have mentioned it to me.

The girl should have mentioned that rule to you when you negotiated multiple hours, but she decided to let the meseros enforce it with the annoying knocks.

For better sessions, go around the club, find the girls you like, give them propinas and squeeze, grope and hug them, ask them if they would go arriba with you, because a few don't or don't like to go with you. If they respond positively, buy them fichas, squeeze, grope, hug, kiss them and negotiate deals. Stick to HK's standard half hour or 45 minutes and try them out first. If you click, get their phone numbers and arrange for long sessions OTC later at much lower rates.

Guys who go to Tijuana frequently often develop relationships with girls and have GFEs in multiple hours for the standard fare. Try it again.

[QUOTE=Travv;2700790]When business at the gambling tables is slow, the Vegas casinos hire dudes to pretend to play (using the casinos money) to encourage others to follow their example. Maybe this guy is a shill paid to try to loosen up the stingy types to tip more? If it makes the dancers happier, why not? I'm all for encouraging more dancers to visit the club.[/QUOTE]What was fishy to me was that I noticed that the meseros and the girls don't really give a shit about this guy nor his money, nor the money on the ground. It seems they were more interested in the food on the table.

I am tempted to wear a t-shirt that says "HK shrill" and an arrow. Then spend the night standing next to this dude's booth.

[QUOTE=Paxsie;2700684]Need everyone to be aware of a chica by the name of Renata working in HK Club. She said she's from Guadalajara. Medium build Brunette with a slight hunchback. She walks around with a curly hair blonde. First off, I have been going to HK for many many years, always a great time there. Granted some chicas are dead fish and know no other techniques but lay there, but at least service was rendered. With Renata, it was like a really bad dream. Here's what happened: On Sunday night I got there around 9:30 PM. Had a couple beers, walked around, and spotted Renata. I went up and strike up a conversation. She claimed she didn't speak English, and immediately pulled out her phone translator. So I typed in how much for going to hotel. She replied, in English, 150. At this point I should have just walked away. Mistake #1. Instead I tried to negotiate, so I typed on her phone, the usual rate is 100. She hesitated for a few seconds, and agreed. So up to the hotel room we went. I undressed, took a quick rinse, ready for action. She took off her rope, asked for money up front. Mistake #2, I handed over the Benjamin to her without hesitation. Things started to go south from here on out, she started to make small talks, asking about what music I'd like to listen to, where I was from, etc. Etc. All the while just standing there still with her bra and panty on. After about 10 minutes of BS-ing, she asked if I wanted a massage. I was like, hmm that's unusual, don't all HK chicas want to get their clients off ASAP so they can go back to the club and hustle more? But I obliged, a half-ass massage ensued. At this time I finally realized she has no interests in fucking me. I turned around and said let's go. She was not happy, and started giving me attitudes. She handed me the condom and motioned me to put it on myself. WTF!.[/QUOTE]Dude, I think you might be in the wrong here man. Her offering a massage is simply her trying to make the encounter a little less mechanical and more personal and intimate. Absolutely nothing wrong with her quoting 150 (just trying to make a living) and nothing wrong with her asking for money first (most mongers are low lifes who will try to low ball the girl and not pay). She told you to stop and do it slowly too; nothing wrong with that. She's a person that feels pain and not some junkie that you were probably just trying to penetrate violently and disrespectfully especially since you say you "pulled" her head to your dick. Come on man. I'm a monger myself and it doesn't take a genius reading your post to realize that you were a big part of the wrong here by disrespecting her and treating her as nothing more than a price of meat you wanted to disrespect. Her pushing you off of her is not surprising as you were likely rude to her and she has no obligations to let you continue disrespecting her beyond your 30 minutes. I see minimal faults here on her part. Sorry bro.

[QUOTE=Rawrbomb;2700775]Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.

Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles. Looking back, this is where I started to fuck up my night. Since I wanted to just take it slow and chill, I ask her if she'd be willing to make it 2 hours in the room for an extra $50. I think we ended up agreeing on $240 for 2.5 hours as I didn't think that I'd be heading down again. She asks for cash up front, and I tell her I'll give her half now, half when we're done. Looking back now, I could see she was procrastinating slightly and taking her time and I knew why a bit later. Soon after, a knock came on the door and it was 2 meseros saying I needed to buy beer or else the girl has to go back down. His English was very broken, so he radios in to who I assume is the floor supervisor / manager. He shows up and sure enough, its the same guy who walked me to my room earlier that night. Says I have to buy a buck of 10 beers in order for her to stay the extra hour. I told them I don't have enough cash to buy beer as I negotiated the 2 hours with her and I had no idea the room required a $200 deposit. So they tell me I can go down and pay by card. The knock alone was a major buzzkill, and heading down to pay for the beers, yeah, that didn't help. So he tells me that the bucket is good for another hour and then she got to go back down to work. Pretty bullshit if you ask me, what the hell is the point in getting a room. I was also pretty buzzed but realized they overcharged me for $3000 pesos, so not the $100 for the bucket he said (probably would have been $100 with cash). Either way, get back to the room, and start fooling around more and she starts to give CBJ. Don't know if it was the tons of booze with the edibles and the buzzkill interruption but couldn't get junior going. Little over an hour later, another knock but just once so I ignored it pretending I couldn't hear it and it stops. About 10 minutes later, more heavy knocking. Open the door and its 3 meseros and the floor manager, says that she got to go back down to work and that if I want her longer in the room, had to pay for another 10 beers, or for the rest of the night, it'd be 30 beers. I'm like, dude, I can't even drink anymore and I didn't even want to buy the original bucket. So decided to call it the end of the night as there was no way I was going to buy more booze. On her way out, she gets my phone # and it wasn't until I came back to the US where I see that she had sent a message last night in Spanish. Translated and it was basically her mentioning that she had to pay the bar $100 as a penalty. I'm assuming this was another ploy to squeeze more money. By the time she left, she had stayed for about 2. 5-3 hours and I paid her $240 total and what looks to be about $155 for the bucket for 0 pops.

Needless to say, pretty disappointed about the trip, maybe I overhyped it in my head after reading about it here and elsewhere. Looking back, here are some things I should have done differently: not tell anyone that it's my first trip (guess that pretty much opens you up to get gouged). Negotiating with her for just an hour (if they're going to knock after an hour to make you buy booze, what the point is there to negotiate extra time? Might bring over my vape pen next time. As far as the girl is concerned, I should have let her go after she downed her drink relatively quickly or after the first knock (when she already had $150 from me, but probably better to cut losses).

In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.[/QUOTE]I am a vet and well known in the club and the hotel. That didn't stop them from nipping me, even with my own room.

Several times over the past six years I have asked HK BGs that I have on speed dial to come to my Cascadas or Rizzo hotel room instead of tracking them down in the club. A few times they have arrived with a mesero in tow who requires that I buy a bucket for the first hour. Lesson learned: Meet the girl in HK and walk her to the room. Don't tell anyone that you are taking her for more than 30 minutes or risk them putting the arm on you for a bucket for an hour, including the first hour. (A trusted mesero coached us on how to avoid getting nipped for the bucket.).

I have also had situations where I had my own room and the HK BG and I fell asleep. Security or a mesero (usually a mesero with a bucket in hand) would knock on the door after about an hour looking for the girl and saying that if she is going to stay longer, I must buy the bucket. If I do, they are back an hour later with another bucket. They say it is because she is on her shift and should be working in the bar selling fichas. (Ten fichas an hour every hour? The girls would be spending every other hour in the bano if they were drinking ten fichas an hour.).

Recently I arraigned with an HK ATF for a TLN off-the-clock. On her way up to the room, security stopped her and escorted her to my room. They wanted $300 for her to spend the night or $100 for one hour or $200 for two hours. I said no! They said it was a new rule to prevent girls from making arraignments OTC and calling in sick to meet with the monger. Later I met her on the street, we had dinner, and I told her that I still wanted to spend the night with her. She said that we could go to a local crap hotel that would be $30 for the room for the night. I said no, because I had a master suite and I wanted to be in a nice room for her. I went back to security and negotiated the night for $200. Security said the next time, now that I know the rule, it would be $300. Sucked, but I wanted the girl bad. It did put a little hole in my budget, but the little head won out. (It was worth it.) What is galling is that I have been doing TLNs with OTC HK BGs for six years and never had any grief like this.

The point being, you didn't make a lot of mistakes; you just got played. I don't think telling someone that it was your first time would have made a lot of difference. And you cannot argue with security or the meseros, as they will always tell you that it is the management that is enforcing these rules, not them.

I wrote a long article (New Rules.) that I thought I posted here about this experience. If you are still feeling green, you might track it down to learn more about playing their game to win. My solution is to rent a room at one of the chica-friendly hotels, which I did the next night (Hotel Caesar). HK / Cascadas / Rizzo play these games like I am a sucker means they don't want my money and I am voting with my dollars. I will still take HK BGs that I have on speed dial TLN to the nearby hotels. Instead of starting my hunts in HK and freely spending money there, I will start in CC and AB. And I will not be buying nearly as many drinks / fichas in BT or HK. They aren't going to notice the loss or care, but I will feel better about it.

And if you want a vet wingman and our schedules line up, be happy to meet you (or any dedicated monger) in Tijuana sometime.

Gentlemen,

If you like your ATF, please treat her nice instead of treating her like a hooker. Please take her to a proper Love motel (like Premier, etc.) where rooms are rented at 4 hour intervals on the weekends instead of a shithole like Cascadas where the chicas are murdered every now an then and they nickels and dime you for every stupid thing. The Uber ride to these love motels, even in rush hour is under $10. The rooms are near Vegas quality. There are no convicts working as waiters. No con artists masquerading as managers. Cascadas sucks when compared to places outside the Zona Norte.

[QUOTE=Jackie888;2701050]What was fishy to me was that I noticed that the meseros and the girls don't really give a shit about this guy nor his money, nor the money on the ground. It seems they were more interested in the food on the table.

I am tempted to wear a t-shirt that says "HK shrill" and an arrow. Then spend the night standing next to this dude's booth.[/QUOTE]I suspect guys promoting this shill theory really haven't thought things through. With all of HK's money and marketing expertise, this is the best they can come up with? An overweight Armenian / Iranian / Arab / Whatever throwing food and money around and getting the DJ to play crap songs? Seriously?

Now if I were hiring a shill for a clip joint, sorry, a Gentlemen's Club, like HK, I'd hire a couple of suave, guapo guys, give them stacks of singles to toss around, and make sure several of the best looking girls would fawn all over them. THIS would attract far more clientele than a fat Arab. Kind of a no-brainer.

And if this guy is spending his own money, what's that to anybody? How is it anybody's business how he spends it? If he wants to light it on fire and roast marshmallows he's welcome to. It's none of my business.