Wasted 3000THB for what could have been free?
I went to a massage parlour (keeping names anonymous to protect the girl) and booked a 90 minute oil massage and the masseuse was a pretty slim girl. The massage itself was not great as she had only started recently. However, it turned out that her English was surprisingly good. We had a really nice chat for most of the two hours, the FS was fine and it seemed she enjoyed it as well. So before leaving I asked her what time she finishes her job and if she would like to go out with me (it was a Saturday night and we had spoken in general terms about going out in Bangkok before). She said she finishes at 11pm and would be glad to go out with me. We agreed to meet at my hotel at 11.
5 minutes before 11 she was in the lobby already, though only to tell me she had to stay at the parlour until midnight. So we agreed to meet at a bar with life music I wanted to go to at midnight and at 12 sharp she was at the door of the bar. After some time she suggested to go to a discotheque she liked and off we went. She asked me if I could pay her admission fee (200 B) , which was ok. Also, I payed two beer for her + one in the previous bar. We had a nice time in the discotheque with a lot of hugging, close dancing etc. When it was getting late and I was getting tired, I asked her if she would like to come to the hotel with me. She said one more beer and then we can go. I had switched to non-alcoholic drinks in the meantime and the last beer for her was one too many but that is another story. Before we left she said: „but you will take good care of me and make sure I will come? '. Sure. We took a taxi to the hotel, showered and after some fun went to sleep. We got up late and after some more fun in the morning she stayed with me in the room until I had to check out of the hotel at noon.
So far so good. Now, in the meantime I had made up my mind to give her 3000B as a „gift', which I had read would be within the usual range for an overnighter in Bangkok. And I gave it to her just before we went downstairs to check out. Her reaction was: at first surprised, then saddened – at least so it seemed to me. She did take the money, but somewhat unwillingly and I noticed it was a mistake. We went downstairs, checked out, left the hotel and said good bye.
Why did I give her the money without her having asked for it?
A) I have read so much on the internet and other places about girls in the „business' in Thailand: „it's all about the money', „they are doing it all for the money only' etc. Etc. And in view of her day time job, she was a working girl. I read stories about guys who chatted up a WG unknowingly and the next morning were surprised when she raised the topic of money.
B) this was reinforced in my mind by a guy I talked to the same evening and who reiterated the same stuff about „with these girls it's all just about the money'
C) her expression „will you take good care of me? ' on the previous night is I think an expression often used to allude to money, though the second part of the sentence „and make sure I will come' alludes to something else.
D) I wanted to avoid an embarrassing situation where she might raise the topic of payment downstairs in front of the reception desk, so better settle the matter before.
I am almost sure now that she wouldn't have raised money at all. Maybe this was indeed seen as a Saturday night out non-working fun night with a nice guy who also payed all expenses (discotheque admission and 3 beers, total damage about 750 Baht) , but nothing more. Perhaps I should add that I am only about 10 years older than her and quite slim and fit and as I said we had a nice time and conversation in the massage parlour. It seems all this discourse about the motives of working girls led me to hand out money to her which I otherwise wouldn't have done. 3000THB wasted? I felt like I had tarnished a nice one-night stand with this „gift'.
I am looking forward to hear what others think, but please be gentle with me.
My First Post "scary time"
Hi,
It's BJ here, this is my first day in Bangkok as main man of The Salon in soi 7/1. Although I have had previous experience in this type of business, please bear in mind, it's my first day fully in the saddle, so it will take a while to fully get into the swing of things.
I would like the thank Aey for holding the fort until I could start. Business was great while I was not in town, Aey did an amazing job and the numbers are above even what we thought we would get, without the floods, so we are really looking forward to what it will be like through high season without Bangkok looking more like Bangkhlong.
I wanted to be in before opening but I had some tricky problems with Visa's and stuff in the UK. Something to do with me being 'Scottish' I recon, as everyone hates the Scots. I think even Bangkok has it in for the Scots because when I arrived most of Bangkok looked liked Atlantis.
A final thought, it pisses down in Scotland 24 / seven and we don't get floods, what happened here? Mind you, it does make me feel at home, all the rain water around me.
Regards BJ
Re: all about the money or not?
[QUOTE=Khlong; 1214458]Why did I give her the money without her having asked for it?
A) I have read so much on the internet and other places about girls in the „business' in Thailand: „it's all about the money', „they are doing it all for the money only' etc. Etc. And in view of her day time job, she was a working girl. I read stories about guys who chatted up a WG unknowingly and the next morning were surprised when she raised the topic of money.
B) this was reinforced in my mind by a guy I talked to the same evening and who reiterated the same stuff about „with these girls it's all just about the money'
C) her expression „will you take good care of me? ' on the previous night is I think an expression often used to allude to money, though the second part of the sentence „and make sure I will come' alludes to something else.
D) I wanted to avoid an embarrassing situation where she might raise the topic of payment downstairs in front of the reception desk, so better settle the matter before.
I am almost sure now that she wouldn't have raised money at all. Maybe this was indeed seen as a Saturday night out non-working fun night with a nice guy who also payed all expenses (discotheque admission and 3 beers, total damage about 750 Baht) , but nothing more. Perhaps I should add that I am only about 10 years older than her and quite slim and fit and as I said we had a nice time and conversation in the massage parlour. It seems all this discourse about the motives of working girls led me to hand out money to her which I otherwise wouldn't have done. 3000THB wasted? I felt like I had tarnished a nice one-night stand with this „gift'.
I am looking forward to hear what others think, but please be gentle with me.[/QUOTE]Your fact pattern is perplexing. I'm not an expert on Thai women, but I do have some thoughts on the issue. First the The whole "Money Number One" concept always has to be the operating assumption. Its the mandatory default position. However the reality is far more complex. You didn't state the precise experience level of this girl, or whether she is on the young and inexperienced in life side of the equation."Only started recently" can mean many things. Did she work in other spas? Was she a bar girl? Was she a go go dancer? Was she a G club girl? Each subset of the business can present varying levels of ambiguity as to whether they think of themselves as a true WGs. All soapie girls and all oil girls are by defintion WGs, but many are new entries, who have never been WG's before. Now G club girls often are not WGs, or least that's the initial pretense that allows them to enter the business in the first place. They can just dance, selectively go pro, or look for setups to be sponsored, or look for real life boyfriends, usually Thai, and generally well off. The term "take care of me" for a WG standing alone is not ambiguous. It means "I need compensation for the evening". The plain meaning of "make sure I will come" sounds obviously she wants sexual satisfaction, but it still sounds a bit odd to me.
You are not a mind reader, so what you did with the "gift" idea was the exactly down the middle the correct thing a gentlemen would do. She may have had a change of mind, or she could simply be very experienced at manipulation. She certainly has you confused. Keep in mind some of these girls look for gentlemen trusting type guys. To work. Now that may not be the case at all. I don't know. Also you didn't state whether you're a shorttime visitor or you are in Bangkok for a longer term. That can be a factor whether she is being straight OR if its being orchestrated in a volitional manner. I am actually anxious what some true experts might say about your fact pattern presented.
