Kyiv

[QUOTE=Rammstein2;1909320]No sex at day 9. My model Vera and I have been at the river beach the whole Friday and we made dinner at home. Her women days started yesterday. But it was so damned hot that I did not miss the sex really this evening. She will go to Odessa with her student girlfriend for a whole week. So she chose the right time for the trip...
[/QUOTE]Wow, this was a very effective way to spend 10 days in Kiev. I will try to do the same in my next trip to Ukraine.

I didn't know that it is possible to get quality girls from Mamba in Ukraine, now I think this is the way to go.

Thanks for the post Ramm. Too bad we can't PM you)

I notice many mamba girls are fake, and some only want to cheat the money from western guys. The blow girl cheated me $20 for travel.

[URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1651900842?hit=10&sp=1[/URL]

[QUOTE=KingmaxXx;1911307]I notice many mamba girls are fake, and some only want to cheat the money from western guys. The blow girl cheated me $20 for travel.

[URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1651900842?hit=10&sp=1[/URL][/QUOTE]My last time there, also some girls tried to convince me to pay them a trip to Kiev to meet, I never did it, is so suspicious, a friend of mine did it with a girl from Kharkov, they were talking and chatting via webcam for months, he was so lucky and now they are near to marry, she is so cute, I think we should do the same, only to pay travel to a girl who demonstrate you so hard her interest and availability.

[QUOTE=KingmaxXx;1911307]I notice many mamba girls are fake, and some only want to cheat the money from western guys. The blow girl cheated me $20 for travel.

[URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1651900842?hit=10&sp=1[/URL][/QUOTE]How did she cheat you? I imagine the point of your post is to warn others. It helps if you can explain what happened.

I just got to Kiev and did not do much Mamba research beforehand except for signing up and browsing a bit. Now I am here and the clock is ticking. I sent some messages today and got a reply from "Bella" on Mamba asking if I want to meet tomorrow. [URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1181626955?hit=3[/URL].

The name and pictures tell me it is probably a scam or bait and switch. I searched the name on the forum but didn't find any info. Does anyone have any experience with her?

Also, can anyone PM me Andrei's number?

I never wrote about marriage is something good. In fact marriage is the problem. In fact a honest partner never wants a marriage. In fact marriage is just for economic purpose only. In fact children, within a marriage, are for economic purpose only.

For this reason, the relationship between a prostitute and a customer is more honest in comparison of the relationship between a wife and a husband, because of the marriage. I describe what is in the reality and not in the mass marketing. Religion is a mass marketing. Economy is a mass marketing. Also science became a mass marketing.

But prostitutes are not the solution because they never can fill a person's life. I see men who gets a young, honest, beautiful, piggy Slavic girl in exchange of nothing. I see that phenomenon. And that is my goal. Otherwise I realize it is a waste of time and money for my life. The remaining people could continue to fight against the windmills of the mass marketing.

[QUOTE=Rammstein2;1909349]I agree to avoid women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children; they are the prostitutes! But what is the difference between such a prostitute and an open-minded partner with the same costs? What is an open-minded partner? Do you think your actually woman is an open-minded partner only to avoid her calling a prostitute? An open-minded partner never ask to marry her.

In my opinion its always cheaper to have a prostitute than to have a wife; the prostitutes became more expansive. Yes, but the way of living, the children and the divorces too. And after the divorce you still have the costs. You can change the prostitutes whenever you want and you can save the money for them whenever you want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Simpleminded;1911517]
The name and pictures tell me it is probably a scam or bait and switch. I searched the name on the forum but didn't find any info. Does anyone have any experience with her?

[/QUOTE]In what way do they tell you that? She looks legit to me, plus she seems to be searching for something serious.

Simpleminded,

We don't know why you think that on this girl.

I have met her, she is quite OK. She provided really good service, OK body, thou her tits didn't sit well after having a kid.

Only downers is that she can meet most often only during day time and back then she didn't speak much English. Oh, and she has written to me afterwards asking for money, "just help" even when I was not in Kiev.

(Met her earlier this year).

[QUOTE=Simpleminded;1911517]I just got to Kiev and did not do much Mamba research beforehand except for signing up and browsing a bit. Now I am here and the clock is ticking. I sent some messages today and got a reply from "Bella" on Mamba asking if I want to meet tomorrow. [URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1181626955?hit=3[/URL].

The name and pictures tell me it is probably a scam or bait and switch. I searched the name on the forum but didn't find any info. Does anyone have any experience with her?

Also, can anyone PM me Andrei's number?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1911525]In what way do they tell you that? She looks legit to me, plus she seems to be searching for something serious.[/QUOTE]Thank you for taking the time to help out. I just assumed that since I am a newbie in Kiev that the ones that look too good to be true, usually are scams or bait and switch. When I wrote her with a canned message that I sent to many girls on Mamba, she responded very quickly and said she doesn't speak English. I thought that was the end of it so I used google translate to tell her that I understand and to have a good day. She then wrote back in English asking if I want to meet tomorrow. Long story short, I offered to meet at the Italian restaurant mentioned here in a post, but then we got down to the issue of sponsorship. I offered her 1500 UAH and she said she is okay with it. I asked if her pictures were real and she sent me 2 pictures just now on Whatsapp. We will see what happens and I will post a report. In the meantime, I'm trying to find some alternatives to Mamba.

So, I have been here since Wednesday evening (about a day and a half) and I have not had any luck. Granted, I did not set up a bunch of possibilities on Mamba a month beforehand, but I did not think the mongering infrastructure would be this bad in what I thought was the land of milk and honeys. Here is where I stand so far on my attempts. I stayed in most of the day because it was raining. I figured this would be a good time to catch up on the Mamba homework that I neglected before I came here. I sent 22 canned messages and received one reply back from Bella who I am supposed to meet tomorrow. I know that I can go to Buddha Bar or Caribbean and pay something like $200 USD but I can't do that when I know I can go to an FKK for much cheaper and younger, and see the goods before I buy. I just came from Athens where I had a 20 year old blonde Russian and 20 year old blonde Czech girl for 20 Euros each. Yeah, it was like 10 minutes each but I more than got my money's worth and I would happily pay them $100 USD if they were here today. I tried Whatsapping a girl on Top-Modals named Lenochka. It says in her ad that the pics are verified and that you can Whatsapp her. It also said that she was 1200 UAH for an hour. So I sent her a message and asked if the info about the price and pics are correct and if she was available tonight. Everything was a go until I asked if she could send me a selfie of her holding up the middle finger. That's when she (or he) said " No, I admin. Can come beautiful girl". Then he sent me professional quality pics of other girls that were also obviously not going to be sent to my hotel room. When I pointed this out, they stopped responding. If worse comes to worse, I will just bite the bullet and pick a 1200 UAH or so girl and see what they send.

I am also staying in Hotel Rus which has a resident older worker hanging out outside the bar, as well as its own strip club. After 2 drinks at the bar, I wandered into the strip club to see how it was. It cost 100 UAH to get in, but a draft beer was only 40 UAH. I sit down and there are literally two other guys in the place both sitting with girls. The skinny girl dancing finishes and comes over to me to ask if I want a dance. I say "no" and she asks for a tip. I guess I should have given her something but she didn't even do anything for me. The next girl dancing is kinda cute but only dances for a minute or two on stage and only shows her tits and then comes and asks for a dance. I say "no" then she asks for a tip. I say "what's a tip?" and she says 100 or 200 UAH. She didn't so much as wiggle her ass for me. That's when I left. Hopefully I will have some better news to report tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Simpleminded;1911804]So, I have been here since Wednesday evening (about a day and a half) and I have not had any luck. ........but I can't do that when I know I can go to an FKK for much cheaper and younger, and see the goods before I buy. I just came from Athens where I had a 20 year old blonde Russian and 20 year old blonde Czech girl for 20 Euros each. .......... Hopefully I will have some better news to report tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Sorry dude.

But I think it not works good for you in Kiev.

Stay in Greece and fuck your Russian and Czech girl.

Kiev isn't cheap if you not make your homework, learn to use Mamba!

200 $ isn't good, but too not bad Is it is for night.

Learn to be friendly. Then it works well for you.

[QUOTE=Rammstein2;1905606]Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy and wise. So I made a date today for 10.00 o'clock in the morning. Her name is Anna 19 yo. She is a 6 or 7 but very clever, English and Spanish spoken. She gave a perfect blowjob and I never had a girl who is getting so wet. Afterwards the bed sheets have been super wet and I have to change them..[/QUOTE]Is Anna the girl with pic marked "U1 19" ? How is her body and tits?

Thanks.

Their website is fully functional again and in fact they seem to be completely back to "normal" operations. I did find that booking thru their website was MORE expensive due to them charging certain fees that the online sites like Expedia and Travelocity either don't allow or waive. I saved over $200 by booking elsewhere and I'm sure I'll end up spending that in the bar or on the dancers. So in my mind I saved $200 so the first two girls I bring back to the room are freebies LOL.

[QUOTE=HornyAmerican;1901677]From what I could find out upon reading your post is that the former owner of the hotel was embezzling everything and took off with it all. I saw numerous reviews where people (groups and individuals) got charged again when they showed up at the hotel.

If anybody used sites like Expedia, Travelocity, TripAdvisor and etc I'm sure that they will get reimbursed but many got ripped off. Most sites would not let me book rooms now but some did. I guess it's all a matter of who owns the site and whether they trust new management etc.

If I stay in Kiev, I still plan on staying there if I can since I know it's affordable, I know I can get laid as many times as I want to and it is very convenient location too.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Straun;1900473]The Lybid hotel seems closed? At least you can't even book it on their official web page any more. Does anyone else have recommendations with not ultra-expensive hotels but still have a good bar with nice girls in it?

Or even strip clubs real close by?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HornyAmerican;1912682]Their website is fully functional again and in fact they seem to be completely back to "normal" operations. I did find that booking thru their website was MORE expensive due to them charging certain fees that the online sites like Expedia and Travelocity either don't allow or waive. I saved over $200 by booking elsewhere and I'm sure I'll end up spending that in the bar or on the dancers. So in my mind I saved $200 so the first two girls I bring back to the room are freebies LOL.[/QUOTE]But all information about the stip-club were deleted. Is it possible that they opened without a strip-club. 4 weeks ago I drove through the street. Near by the hotel. And I saw a lot of trash on the street. A lot of furniture, signs and and and of something that was "from a strip-club". Maybe they have renovated the club? Or the club is really closed. It might be better if you write an email to the hotel and ask about the strip-club before you book it.

[QUOTE=Misc123;1908214]Volpone, Rammstein. Both of you bring up a good point. There is another way of looking at it. Are you saving money compared to your own country. Whichever that is? If you pay 100 Euro (Eu) in your own country and 100 Eu in Kiev then it is no save. If you get younger and more beautiful in Kiev compared to your city, then you can justify that as a save. But if it is money save, then it is best.

In Kiev, I usually try to pay 50-100 Eu for 2-4 hours, 100-150 Eu for all night, 10+ hours. But rarely do I get a 8-9 for that kind of money (sometimes, if I get lucky). Mostly I get girls who are 6-7 around 19-24 years. Rarely I have to pay more. Outside Kiev, it get cheaper and you get more beautiful girls. All these rates are for non agency girls - mamba, kreschatyk, vk etc. If you go to agency then you have to pay much more. For club like Rio. Go early before 10-11 pm, and negotiate for the girl to stay till 4-5 am. Ciao.[/QUOTE]Hey, would appreciate numbers and / or links. Thanks.

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