FKK Dietzenbach

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2055106]It's all covered sex from yesterday.[/QUOTE]Hey Hubba,

Is this based from real anecdotal evidence in the rooms? I know the way that you like to do your own thorough research.

I visited this place around June 10. It had a bit of a desolate feeling like a place where there was once a good party, but now it's dead!

There were none of the hot regulars I knew from a year or two ago, no couch action whatsoever, very few people, etc. It was not much fun. I did go for a session with a new girl, Nicola Anna, a nice brunette. She was mechanical in the room but I gave her a good cream pie doggie style.

Next I tried Susi, the short girl with dyed blonde hair. She is less mechanical but not too hot. I cream pied her also, and she got very mad because I wanted to keep pumping after I had come already. I consider the fee to be for the 20 minutes, but the girls think it means until you come. Who is right? I guess it doesn't matter because I will likely never go back.

But I will always have the memories of the good old days. Whenever you are having fun, leave it to the government to wreck everything!

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2055106]It's all covered sex from yesterday.

HB.[/QUOTE]So the previously most promiscuous FKK club that allowed everything without restrictions, is now the most 'religious' FKK right now. Interesting.

Not an AO fan, but the lack of BBBJ gives me a threatening feeling for the future of other clubs. I'll stay positive tho.

[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2055282]Not an AO fan, but the lack of BBBJ gives me a threatening feeling for the future of other clubs. I'll stay positive tho.[/QUOTE]You do not have to fuck AO, you are welcome to use a condom.

The anecdotal feed back from girls here is that if you are grand fathered in since you are a known visitor then you will get a choice but if you are not known then your choices are much limited.

As Mr Ho rightly said this may be now for the girls that are working now but as time goes by then the number of girls having worked in the BBBJ and AO era become less and less so it may become harder and harder over time to get BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2055736]You do not have to fuck AO, you are welcome to use a condom.

The anecdotal feed back from girls here is that if you are grand fathered in since you are a known visitor then you will get a choice but if you are not known then your choices are much limited.

As Mr Ho rightly said this may be now for the girls that are working now but as time goes by then the number of girls having worked in the BBBJ and AO era become less and less so it may become harder and harder over time to get BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Sadly I don't have much WG relations as I come from a very far land, even if so, I used to love hunting the new deers in each club. Now that seems the end to that, probably will still visit Germany from time to time, but the golden era ends in my tearful eyes.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2055736]You do not have to fuck AO, you are welcome to use a condom.

The anecdotal feed back from girls here is that if you are grand fathered in since you are a known visitor then you will get a choice but if you are not known then your choices are much limited.

As Mr Ho rightly said this may be now for the girls that are working now but as time goes by then the number of girls having worked in the BBBJ and AO era become less and less so it may become harder and harder over time to get BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Right just visit World and you will see, quite difficult to get one if you don t know the girl.

It's entirely possible that posting about BBBJ and AO will actually *increase* their availability. It will create the expectation and demand for condom-free services. Supply will try to meet demand. Individual girls will see other girls are providing BBBJ and AO, and this will encourage them to do the same lest they lose business to the girls who do. Owners will note what other clubs are doing, and more willingly look the other way so they can compete.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2057481] It will create the expectation and demand for condom-free services. Owners will note what other clubs are doing, and more willingly look the other way so they can compete.[/QUOTE]Such clubs can then be renamed KFKKs - Kondomfreikörperkultur.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2057481]It's entirely possible that posting about BBBJ and AO will actually *increase* their availability. It will create the expectation and demand for condom-free services. Supply will try to meet demand. Individual girls will see other girls are providing BBBJ and AO, and this will encourage them to do the same lest they lose business to the girls who do. Owners will note what other clubs are doing, and more willingly look the other way so they can compete.[/QUOTE]That is BS. That's like posting about the use of cocaine in a club and thinking it will lead to the availability of cocaine in all other clubs. Plus owners starting to accept the sale of cocaine in their club.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2057607]That is BS. That's like posting about the use of cocaine in a club and thinking it will lead to the availability of cocaine in all other clubs. Plus owners starting to accept the sale of cocaine in their club.

HB.[/QUOTE]It's no more BS than your theory that the German police will try to enforce an unforcible law because posts on an english language board told them something they didn't already know.

If BB action is kept in the room there is no way to prosecute the man, the woman, or the club. The only way this law can be effective is through psychological intimidation. Fear mongers are ultimately helping that to happen.

It's not about prosecution. It's about the clubs fearing that authorities could close down the club. And that may happen or not. At least reporting about BBBJ could increase the odds. Why risk that? Just because you could keep on reporting about BBBJ? Great tactic. Huge success.

HB.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2055083]Which day did the new price kick in?

Just last week Wanking reported the pricing was 30 for BBBJ and covered sex, 10 euro upgrade to AO sex and a further 10 euro upgrade for CIM.

This is different again.[/QUOTE]Wanking is an all-time great on these pages. He was one of the first on this internet forum to spread the word and actively promote AO activity and AO clubs. So, it is good to see that he is doing it right up to the end.

The point is who sets the rules here? Who is the authority on these pages who imposes the deadline as to the best time that we should cease discussing AO activity altogether.

Is it 4 years ago when the idea of a new law was first mooted?

Is it 3 years ago when it was confirmed that a new law was being drafted.

Is it 2 years ago when the law was going through parliament.

Is it 1 year ago when the new law was confirmed as having being passed.

Is it 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 1 week before the new law comes into effect.

What I do know is that about 2 months ago a couple of people on the board seemed to have decided for the rest of us that we should cease discussion of AO sex from that point. Others sheepishly agreed. Why that particular point?

What I do know is that for a period in advance of the new law coming into effect that these clubs adjusted their behaviour to one that they think will be fit the new regime. So, no advertising of AO on the internet or on name cards, no public AO sex allowed, signs saying that condoms are compulsory and so on. Then in the rooms AO sex will definitely be available if the girls know you. However, there will be a price increase as the girls will charge a small amount for providing the AO that they did for no extra charge before.

So we can get an idea as to how the post law scenario would look like from what was happening in the few weeks before. This we need to know. However if we had followed the 'controllers' in not allowing any AO talk before the law came into place then we would not have known the lie of the land as it is going to be now. I am not incurring the costs and the time of travelling to Germany only to find that it is condom everything. I can get that at home.

Also, I don't want to be ripped off. I don't want to be paying 10 euros extra for each of BBBJ, CIM and CIP. This would mean paying 60 euros when before it was half that amount at 30 euros.

Thanks to Wanking's intrepid reporting (and his ignoring of the controllers on this board) we now know that going into the new regime that the AO service that most guys want (which is CIP) will most likely be available for just 10 euros extra. This prevents complete newbies being ripped off by the girls because they don't know what the 'going rate' is.

Then there were those guys who have been reporting that the girls are saying that they will only guarantee AO sex for those guys that are known to them from before the law took effect. Would this not be useful to know in advance? Armed with this information then guys could have tried and visited a few clubs before the law change just to show their face so that the girls are likely to remember them for when they visit after the change in law. Now it would be too late.

I am probably the only one who has been making the veryimportant point that it does not matter so much that there is a new law as to how the law is going to be enforced, if at all!

There is an indoor smoking ban in Germany in public places however you would not have guessed it given that practically all of the girl's chain smoke all day inside the small confines of the RTC clubs with the patrons forced to inhale their smoke. The authorities don't bother with this but they would bother if you lit up in a normal German nightclub.

I strongly believe that the authorities will have far more pressing matters like concentrating on stopping those AO gangbangs advertised widely with mostly trafficked Romanian / Bulgarian girls where anyone can walk in off the street and join in without any testing. Also, those women who advertise for AO activities in apartments. I agree that the situation that existed before where an unwitting person could walk into a RTC and see unprotected sex happening in front of your eyes was clearly not acceptable and so needed to stop, which it has.

The authorities may not bother with RTCs, where AO sex is happening privately between consenting adults behind closed doors and there is no real evidence that it took place. Anonymous reports on forums is not credible evidence as there is lots of false reporting and claims on line. Entrapment and under cover reporting is not part of German law enforcement like it is in the US.

If AO activity is happening in an RTC club but I don't know about it then as far as I am concerned then it may as well not be happening because I cannot take part in something that is happening unless I know that it is happening in the first place.

So, I say carry on at least periodically reporting about what is happening in these places and be damned. It is highly unlikely that the authorities will bother with these private clubs anyway because it is too difficult to enforce the law here (to know what really happened between two consenting adults in a closed room) and it is unlikely that any customers will be making any complaints to the authorities because the girl allowed their request to have AO sex!

There are far more low hanging fruit for the authorities to concentrate on and reports on these forums are worthless in terms of credible evidence for authorities to act on in terms of what is happening in the RTCs. However if we find out that the authorities are enforcing the law and investigating / raiding these clubs then we can always think again.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2057633]It's not about prosecution. It's about the clubs fearing that authorities could close down the club. And that may happen or not. At least reporting about BBBJ could increase the odds. Why risk that? Just because you could keep on reporting about BBBJ? Great tactic. Huge success.

HB.[/QUOTE]

Consider my saying "prosecution" to include shutting clubs down. Surely there must be a basis for such an action beyond a few posts on an english language board like this. If they go down that road perfectly innocent clubs could be shut down by false posts from competitors. So they won't. They will need some kind of real evidence of wrongdoing by the owners, and that's just not possible.

Even German posters have noted that compliance with this law depends on Germans being good Germans, and that it's psychological pressure not law enforcement that will change behavior.

Well there's also the local issue of the management of this board. They haven't come down with both feet, but the management here has clearly said they don't want posts telling people to not post. Maybe this isn't the place for your campaign. Maybe each person should decide for himself without being lobbied.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2057824]but the management here has clearly said they don't want posts telling people to not post. [/QUOTE]Where? When? Can you quote that?

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;2057826]Where? When? Can you quote that?

HB.[/QUOTE]Somewhere in one of these threads there's one of those red lettered "here's why we removed this post" notices that says it was removed for encouraging members to not share information. Can't track it down right now. Got to run.